Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald - The Valley’s Cracks and Real Housewives’ Futures

Episode Date: May 26, 2026

I sit down with the hilarious Lori Altermann to break down the absolute chaos currently erupting across the Bravo universe, starting with The Valley and how the pressure cooker of reality TV is finally exposing the massive cracks in Danny and Nia’s marriage. We’re going deep on Summer House to figure out West Wilson’s next move after his shocking fallout with the group, especially now that the lines between friendship and betrayal have been completely blurred. Lori is also getting very honest about still being hot for Southern Charm’s Craig Conover, which leads me to share a personal story about him that you won't want to miss, before we tackle the mind-blowing rumors that Teresa and Melissa have actually become best friends for the new season of New Jersey. Plus, we weigh in on whether Real Housewives of Rhode Island is officially a hit or just a filler, and exactly what sets those Providence ladies apart from the rest of the franchise. -As an exclusive offer, new listeners can get their choice between free Sirloin Tips, Ground Beef or Chicken Wings in every box for LIFE, PLUS $20 off when you go to ButcherBox.com/juicyscoop  -For a limited time, Nutrafol is offering our listeners $10 off your first month’s subscription and free shipping when you visit Nutrafol.com and enter promo code JUICYSCOOP -Go to bioptimizers.com/juicyscoop and use code JUICYSCOOP to get 15% off your entire order + a free bottle of Masszymes — BiOptimizers' best-selling digestive enzyme — added to your order automatically when you use our exclusive code -Sign up for your one-dollar-per-month trial today at SHOPIFY.COM/juicy  -Go to Leesa.com for 30% off select mattresses PLUS get an extra $50 off with promo code JUICYSCOOP, exclusive for my listeners. -Refresh your everyday with luxury you'll actually use. Head to Quince.com/juicy for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns. Subscribe to my new show Juicy Crimes!: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/juicycrimes⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Stand Up Tickets and info: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://heathermcdonald.net⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Subscribe to Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald and get extra juice on Patreon: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/JuicyScoopPod⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/juicyscoop⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Watch the Juicy Scoop On YouTube: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/@JuicyScoop⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Shop Juicy Scoop Merch: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://juicyscoopshop.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow Me on Social Media: Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/heathermcdonald⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ TikTok: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.tiktok.com/@heathermcdonald⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ YouTube: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/@HeatherMcDonaldOfficial⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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I'm so excited you're in L.A. And you could make this fun show in person. Heather, there's nowhere I'd rather be except for next to Kyle Cook and a bed. Okay. Let's talk about it. Yeah, let's talk. Let's get right into it. Get into it. I asked you, I said, I just want to, we'll just do some hot takes, some unpopular

opinions, which you're not afraid to say. I love it. In this world of pop culture and Bravo related things, obviously Summer House, we've talked a lot about. And you think that Kyle Cook is extremely hot. You know I hung out with him. Yes, I know at BravoCon where we missed each other, but I also hung out with him, but not the way you did. You had a real moment. You almost slept with him by watching his DJ set. And unlike Meredith Marks, he actually knows how to DJ and he's talented. He's totally talented. We, after my, um, I did a live show at the MGM and then we went to the nightclub and I had a whole setup that they were, the casino and the people in Vegas were, my friend Andrew. It's called VIP.

Heather, lean into it. Yes, this guy, Andrew, was wonderful to help set up. So we go with my friends and, you know, Braney, Julie, who are part of the show, and he is the DJ. And I loved his DJ set because he does all the mixing, but it's also all the songs you love. So it just flowed. And then I got to say hi to him and he was very lovely. And then later on, a couple weeks later or a month later out of the blue he DM'd me and he just said I just want to thank you for all the nice thing nice and supportive things you've said about my about my DJing and I'm like you know and I've said I'm like I'm so glad he got so much shit and all these girls are like anyway he's becoming a DJ and thank God.

And I'm like thank God he did it. Good for him. He's good at it. He likes it. It's a great thing to do. Now all these other people realize even Erica Jane, I love. I loved her honesty when she's like, he's like, how do you like being DJ pretty much?

She's like, I love it. I play other people's songs. I just go like this. Move a couple fingers. I don't need a bunch of dancers. I don't need 12 outfits. Exactly. Can we take a minute for that spot-on imitation?

I wouldn't even say with an imitation. I think you just channeled Queen Erica. That was fabulous. Start your alienware journey with the streamlined Alienware 15 with a design that refines the essentials for a more focused gaming laptop, featuring a brilliant 15.3-inch 165-Herts display seamlessly engineered into a portable 15-inch body, powered by an Intel Core 7 processor for high performance during every session,

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And by the way, ain't the mama death in one ear? I mean, that's quite interesting of an occupation. I don't like Meredith Marks. Well, I think, okay, well, that's okay that you don't like her. But I'm saying, of course, a DJing thing, I would think, could easily be faked. It could. You put the whole 90 set. But Kyle Cook doesn't fake it.

You put the whole 90 set together. You put in the cassette tape. You push it. Do they still spin records, Heather? Is that what they'd like a... I think they have their thing set up and what they do in the moment is like rise a beat here, lower something here.

Look at you. Rise a beat. And that's where you're really doing it. But also, prior to the gig, they, just like a comedian or musician, is supposed to have put their set together. So we're going to start on this song. We're going to go to this one. But I'm saying if you are just the face of something,

why couldn't you hire somebody that could do it, put it all together you and then act like you're doing this throughout the 90s minute set when it's really just, but we don't know. Maybe she really did take the DJ in class. We don't know. So you're going to tell me she's an expert in Caviar. She's an expert in bath bombs. She's an expert in LL Cool J. I don't buy. Why am I not a fan of her? Because I find her personality annoying. I don't think she takes, I hate this word. It's ever used accountability. I think she's a wine. I think she's a whiner. I think she's boring. And if she's listening, I stand by it. Okay. I don't like her.

So you wouldn't care if she didn't come back to Salt Lake. I actually got some info that she wasn't, but I know they're filming now and she's still there. Yeah, I've seen the photos. Where are they? Well, they were in San Francisco doing some stuff. Oh, okay. But no, they are filming and she is part of the cast. And I, you know what, I don't get much opportunity to work with casting on these shows. Yeah. But I have a strong opinion on all of them. And I think Meredith Marks brings nothing to the franchise. I totally disagree.

Go ahead. I think she's very fun to watch. What? I just like her weird kind of voice where she's like, we're going to brutalize my family. Like, I kind of like it. I think she's really pretty. She is. I'm fascinated by her disease that makes her boobs grow enormous,

and she has to get a different boob job every year. I think that's sad, but crazy. I think it's annoying and weird. It's funny because I love vanilla ice cream, and let's say you don't. You would have a strong case. I'm saying the thing that you find fascinating about Meredith makes me break out in hives. Who else do you love on there? I mean, I'm pretty entertained by the whole

Yeah, me too. I am definitely someone that I'm very careful about saying I don't want this person back or anything like that Because I do think it's a job And I think they give so much of themselves And they are so replaceable So I never want to have a clip or something where I'm like Get rid of so and so, you know?

If I'm still watching the show then the producers are doing something right. Even if you hate someone, it's better that you hate someone than to be indifferent when we're talking about a reality show. So if you're looking forward to it and you're not falling asleep through it,

then I think they're doing their job. And some of these franchises, I really do fall asleep in. And that's not one of them. Salt Lake is not one. Salt Lake is one of my favorite franchises. I mean, I think, I've said it before. I think Braun win.

Oh, I love her. Oh, I love her. I think Bronwyn should be the poster child of a girl who married for money, was stuck with an asshole, and found her way out through the help of Andy Cohen reaching his hand out and lifting her up. And now she's single and screwing a 32-year-old model. Oh, he's hot. And going to the Metball. She still has her money. She's famous.

Her skin looks better. It does. It's funny how the more famous you. get the better the skin. I'm hoping for those days. Bronwyn is my favorite housewife. You just, you just hit something that is so emotional for me. I don't have any problem with her marrying. Oh. The awful Todd, also known as the character. By the way, I think she loved him. I do. I mean, I see the mean man from the, the cherry pick. No, from the Up movie. Remember Up? Burr. Wow. That's so Todd. It's so Todd. And it was one thing, I, you know, maybe you'd feel bad for him if

was kind of an ugly guy that married a young girl and helped raise her daughter and then she left him or whatever. That wasn't the case. He was mean. She knew he was mean. She took the show to show the world, I'm married to a mean husband that eats the cherry off. Do you think this was intentional, calculated, even more reason I love Ronwin-Newport? They always say, this is what I always think, when an inevitable divorce happens because they put themselves on a reality show. The woman that agrees to do the reality show that's in the shitty marriage,

she has two trains of thought. Okay. And they're both. One, I want him to see how mean he is. I want him to watch it back and see how mean he is. And then he'll get nicer and we can stay married. I think that's their first thought.

Wow. And I'll be able to be famous and have a career of my own. But he'll see to be nicer to me. He'll appreciate me because I'm making money. He'll see that everyone else loves me. He should love me too. That's what they hope happens.

Fascinating. What does happen is this. He's mean on camera. They edit it. This former CEO guy that, you know, has been walking around as a straight white male. Everything handed to him. Never has been afraid.

Doesn't give a shit what people think. He opens his phone. and realizes he has no chin. He never knew he had no chin. That's impossible, Heather McDonald. How do you not know you don't have a chin? They don't know until they get on this show with their thirsty wife.

They read all the comments. Now they become meaner to her. I guess he read my comment. Then they become meaner to their wife because they're even more resentful that she did this. And she's reading all the comments. He's so mean.

And they're not saying anything about her looks other than they're perfect. Yeah. And you're so great. What are you doing? And then they break up. But their initial thought is to be successful and stay married. I think maybe one or two go on going, oh, I'm going to get divorced in year two. But I think their initial thought is, or, yeah, that he'll get better, he'll get nicer because that's why they've stayed that long.

But really what it does is crack it open and that's why there's so many divorces. Heather, I have a question for you. Yes. If you were to be on the housewives, we've discussed this before, and I've been approached what I ever think about it, and I would never think about it. But you got me thinking about now. I would like to expose my husband for the mumbler he is.

He's got marbles in his mouth. So if he sees himself on a reality show going, I'm saying, Lord. And then I would say, see, see, and the fans would write. Also, if I'm being honest, his breathing's heavy. Yes. What would you want to expose about Peter? the enormously loud sneezes.

The sneezes are so loud. I mean, people go, why are you like so jumpy? It's the sneezes. They're so out of nowhere. And you know what? They can be controlled. Because I went to the masters. Oh.

And every, there's Peters everywhere there. There's Peters right and left. They all look the same. same. They all, you, from a distance, I thought everyone was my husband, okay? I hope you didn't act on that, Heather. No, I did not. He was with me. Okay. There's allergies. We're at the masters. It's allergy season. The guys are putting the ball and hitting the ball. Everyone's quiet. How is there not one 55 plus dad not doing one of those epic sneezes? Because you can control it. They can control it. It's performative.

It's to make everyone in the house be annoyed with them. And they're still 13-year-old boys and they get off on it. So they sneeze loud. They do it in threes. Wow. Would you rather be with a man who has the volcanic sneeze or, you know, I'm going to say he does a, you have to pick one? Oh, my God.

Because how do you bang a guy who's like, I got a sneeze? I guess I'd go for a big sneeze. Aren't you a lucky lady? He also does this other thing that started about a year ago. He goes through phases, much like a toddler. Yeah. And it's like, again, like this big yawn. Oh, that's a yon.

It's a big yawn. And it's just because he's downstairs. Like in falsetto? It's like he's downstairs and nobody's there with him. So it's like his like call to just remind me that he's there. Do you win, not just your husband, but anybody, sneezes? Because I'm grossed out by everything. By the way, I love sneezing.

It is like a mini-orgasm. I get it. Sneezing is very satisfying. I feel that way when I hear the little Netflix thing at the beginning of each show. I feel it in my, would you, per se, a man who sneezes and you don't like it, it could be a woman too. You hear the sneeze. My automatic reaction should be, and I'm a girl from the South, the etiquette should be. There should be, God bless you, but you know what I do.

Fake a sneeze right now. Achoo. Ew. You're disgusting. Yeah, I say, ooh. Yeah. That's not nice. No, it's not nice.

But it's much like a sneeze, I can't control it. Yeah. As far as going on the show, first of all, they'll never ask me. No, they're not asking you. It's way too. I'm way too inside baseball. I've never wanted to be on the show. I've always been someone that's fascinated, liked it, liked the women outside of the show,

liked interviewing them. The thing I would do is a type of show with other funny women, whether the reality stars or comedians. We're right here. And we go on trips that are paid for. And that are paid for. And maybe some trauma happens. Maybe they don't. I don't really care.

I would rather not exploit my children or fuck up my marriage at this point. Right. I understand jobs are hard to find. They are. I understand there's a thirsty bitch who's. 45 that's already put her whole life The people are thirsty. Out on Instagram.

And it comes a knocking. Are we pitching right now? No, I don't blame those people. No, but we're pitching right now if anyone's watching. Sure. Imagine Heather and I. I pushed for the ultimate girls trip

production-wise, all of it. Why I think that stuff works is it's a win-win for everybody. You're not tying up these girls for six months. You're not fucking up their marriages and exposing their kids. You get to go out. I'm out of town with them.

Even if the kids are over 18, they're not ready to have the whole world explore them, maybe being annoyed with you because they forgot the cameras were there and then it's like your son's an asshole for life. Right. Like, you know, do you not remember the scene? Yes, I remember every scene, Heather.

I'm an expert. Real House of OCE, Gina, Kino, goes to the baseball game unannounced with Vicky. Yeah. And he stressed. He was not having it. I don't blame him.

I brought it up 20 times. It's why he never went professional. But it's also wrong for me to bring it. up 20 times, but I can't help it. You can't help it. They did the show. They did. He's happily married, has a couple kids, is like a realtor in Florida. I'm sure he is great, still a great relationship with the mom. Because I every time I ask her, I say, I still think about that. See, I mean, I cringy. But again, my sons have been rude and disrespectful to me. We all have had a kid. But not on camera. But not on camera. And I wouldn't want that to haunt that. And I wouldn't want that.

I think it could really affect them. Look at Lynn Curtin's kids. Oh, well, what's left of them? Yeah. Too soon? Yeah, she lost a couple fingers. But how many fingers do you really need, Heather? When you think about it.

Think about this. If I'm having a martini, right? And I'm missing, I don't know. Well, I would never miss my ring finger. But it's really just this section. Do we know how she lost her fingers? That's drug abuse. It's not funny.

You know when you don't lose fingers from? Too many martinis. Unless, of course, you put your, down and someone puts one on top really hard. And I'm brittle of osteoporosis. Heather, can we repitch this idea that it's a bunch of famous, a bunch of fabulous, funny ladies all in the world of reality. And you put us, and you're not putting us at some like all inclusive secrets bullshit, right? You're going to put us. It doesn't matter. It matters to me where we stay, Heather. Well, I mean, obviously it's going to have to be a set up thing. Like a fancy one. Where we have our

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sleeping great again. You remember in what I loved about, this movie did okay, but it was, I think Tina Fay was one of the writers, Amy Puller, they go for like their wine weekend. Did you ever see it? So here's a hot take on Lori Ultraman. I don't really watch many movies. Okay, well they, they did like a weekend with all these funny women and they go to a Napa weekend. And there's just this part where they are kind of talking behind each other's back, but it's all out of concern. which, because they, like Beverly Hills this season. Which I, that's why I give it some credit. Because I do think that's real.

It was real. You're like, okay, do you think something's going on with her? Like, I don't know. Do you think their marriage is okay? That's what would happen. Like if you're all together, if you noticed your friend of, you know, 20 years, you get it together every three years, you have this sorority weekend, whatever it is. So, but if we put this show together, there has to be.

more history, which sometimes I think the ultimate girls trip, I don't, I think sometimes they don't know what they're doing. I don't believe Porsche's friends with Vicki Guffleson. That's what I'm saying. That's where that loses the plot for me. Me too. I think that you need to, if you're going to do it, you do it with OC people that have a history with each other. Yes. And they go do something. You do it with New York and you bring them back and you go do a week, but it's all they know each other, not just we hung out once at BravoCon and I DM'd you that funny real once.

Right. No history is going to happen in this week. No juicy things going to happen. But you need to be worried about me because you've known, by the way, I would love us to go away and I'm spending so much money, like so much money that you're worried about me. Yeah. Like I would love that look for me. And I would think as a friend, and I'm saying a lot of money, I'm closing down stores that you go on camera, you call whoever and you're like, things are not normal and how much she's spending. I think that's a great look. Yeah. I mean, it is what it is. But I do believe she, and we're referring to. Let's get to Doreet real quick. Oh, Doree, we are days away from not only

her book launch, unburdened. She's making fun of herself. She's calling the Times D-S-T. Derreet Standard Time. all the four places that she's going to, which is like the first one is Barnes & Noble over here in the Grove. It says four-ish, then six-ish, ten-ish. I don't think being late is a cute quirk.

No, not the kind of delete-dreat late. And that's my name for her, delete-de-reate. It is not. It says, I don't give an F about you. There's no way. lateness is something that is so indicative of your personality. Now, I believe there's three kinds of people in this world. The person who's always on time and maybe a couple minutes early.

Okay. Okay. That's pretty much me, except for today. Okay, because I forgot my laptop and I have a Zoom to do after. So we did have to turn around. One off. And you felt horrible. And you didn't lie about it and said you were checking on your kids.

Yes. Then there's people that you will keep in your life. forever, but you know they're always about 15 minutes late. Which is very late. And so you plan as you get older and you, if you're someone who's always on time, it takes you to about 50 years old where you start to lie and tell them, come at 345 when you really want them to come at four. Do you tell them that, though?

I just started doing this with my sister and I've known her my whole life. I just started being dishonest. You know your sister your whole life. I know my sister my whole life. She's my best friend. And I just started being dishonest with her about the time. But do you tell her that I'm doing this? No.

Well, you just did. Well, she'll listen. It's okay. Right. But the last time we did something, she got there before me. I couldn't believe it. I could not. Was she annoyed?

Not at all. But I'm not overly mad about the 15 minutes. Yeah, 15 is. Especially here in L.A. 15 is almost early. So there's that, and then there's the Doreets, which blatantly will be late by an hour or two. To a plane, Heather. To a plane.

How does that even work? Well, it's a private plane. So what? I know, even worse. You're a pit. I find, and let me tell you something. Imagine being married to that. Go ahead.

Yeah. I mean, because I'll say it. I think maybe on Team Perman. You don't want to. But I think I'm team Pakey. I don't think she was easy to be married to. Yeah, I think it was, we'll never know what really someone's marriage is. Oh, I know.

I know exactly what happened. And how it can get so ugly and then being public. What did you think about him going on the podcast? Did you see? Yes. I know. I bought it. I think he finally feels, he's obviously released all the financials.

wants everyone to know that she's a shopaholic, all of that. And he blames himself, though. It's going to get ugly. I don't understand how she makes 3.5 million a year. I don't understand how he, as the manager of boy George, makes 3.5 million a year. Obviously, he must have a bunch of businesses that make money. And then I think she also probably makes a million a year off of the live Amazon's. Well, there is money to be had. I heard there's lot of money there. She's not making it from Beverly Bikini, I can tell you that. Beverly Beach. Whatever. Beverly Beach you could call it. But I do think she probably makes

1.1.2. There's no 3 in front of it. No, but she makes at least one, two. I feel like we know what these housewives make. I don't know if anyone's ever gotten to the 2. To the 2 million range. But I know they've gotten to like 1-2, 1-4 around there. And she has been on for like 10 years. Yes. So I think she's probably at 1-2 to 1-4. for, so where the two other million comes from,

it must all be brand deals, and that Amazon Live, that's what I think. So she's an example of what you were saying, you know, I was saying, I don't care if Meredith Marks ever comes back. I don't love to eat, but I think she should stay on because she's good TV.

She needs to stay on. Well, she absolutely needs to stay on. But nothing surprises me. No, no, nothing surprises me. Yeah. Nothing surprise. How about this beef with love? La La Marice here. Are you up to date on that?

I am. Love this. Well, let's talk Valley. Let's talk Valley. Okay, so Lala's been my friend for many years. She and Amber, who was also married to her, their ex, shared exes. Oh, you just had them on here. That was fascinating.

That's a great podcast. You haven't seen it. Check it. Thank you. And, you know, now they're truly best friends. They have this podcast together. Trauma bonding. They bring all the girls together, you know, who are, you know, half siblings and everything.

and it's just fascinating and so I love watching Lala I think she makes great reality TV she's on the Valley full time and last night I haven't it was well the episode where Danny and Nia

Danny is kidding wait time out for a second this is my first Valley I'm not proud to say it oh you didn't watch the last two seasons never and my hot takes I would love your after you tell me about this opinion because seeing it for the first time

I have some strong opinion And I think I might be wrong, but I know I don't like Danny. Well, let's hear your opinions. You go ahead. Let's hear your raw opinions. All right. Well, listen, I'm a Vanderpump rules fan. And I never liked.

And I like her even less on the Valley. First time I've watched the Valley is Kristen. Don't like her. Okay. I think she's a whiner. I think she's annoying. I think she's boring. And I think she's dramatic.

The Kristen that I remember from early Vanderpump is what I'm seeing this season on the Valley. Am I right? You are right. What's hard about this situation with all of them is, you know, we really are watching real lives. Yes. And the state that they're in is kind of sad. It is. The rally is sad.

L.A. is sad. Getting, being, having a postpartum baby, body baby where you haven't lost the weight. It's not the reality TV we want to see. Yeah, having men that are where we can edit it. We can edit it and see Danny being absolutely awful to Nia. Now, were there scenes where they went to the house in Santa Clarita and he set up a manny and petty for her and took out all the kids? That could have happened.

They're not going to show us that. So I'm saying we are seeing what they want us to see because they need the fans to get passionate. Last season we were so angry at Janet. Well, so tell me about that. So last season, Janet was appeared through the editing to be going after Danny, saying that he drinks a lot and then he had a drunken night. He touched somebody. Where he was handsy with a Jasmine who we first met on The Bachelor when she was looking for a man.

She's since falling in love with a woman. She's fell in love with a woman who I don't think is featured in this photo. How many people turn gay on The Bachelor? She ain't the first. Gabby fell and she's with Robbie Hoffman. And that's fun. And there was one other girl that was on it and then she was bisexual on the Bachelor in Paradise

and got together with a girl, but I don't know what happened to her. So Janet, I didn't see it last season. I did see the scene where she's on a boat and accusing people and being. Just, yeah, she, you know, again, she used the wrong words in, in this world of accusing someone. She didn't say like me too, but she basically said like assault. You like assaulted someone or something like that, a very strong word.

And that's what Chris. We don't know. We never saw it. So what happened was he was boozing and he made some sexual reference or touched Jasmine's butt in a funny drunk, I'm your friend manner. but also somehow it was good because Jasmine was like it really was it was uncomfortable but also being a lesbian having a fiance who's a woman being a girl who's in love

with a woman. Gosh, that's confusing. It like diminished. Yeah. It kind of diminishes like where a guy doesn't really think that as a woman that you could be in love with another woman. So there was that element that was demeaning and then also just being sloppy and kind of touchy. We never saw. It was brought up, because it was never filmed. It was brought up as a storyline. Okay.

And people at home, I think, felt like it was all right, you know, because he did reach out. He profusely apologized. But then Janet, it appeared, was on the track of trying to always point out, like, you know, he came to meet them at like Lake Tahoe or something or someplace. And he was coming back from doing like a voiceover thing. And so the car drops them off. They've been drinking all day. And he goes in the pantry and does like a shot of tequila. Yeah.

And she saw it and she talked about it. And it was like, well, I just wanted to catch up. Or do you have a drinking issue? Does he? Well, what I think what we're seeing now in this season is I think Nia put her foot down and was like, you're not drinking on camera. You're not drinking on camera. It made you look awful.

you did these things, you look like a boozer, like we're not doing that. So if we're going to be on the show, you're not drinking. And because he can't drink, and these people actually aren't fun around to be, aren't fun to be around unless you're drunk, in my opinion. I mean, which is why.

Schwartz is ordering drinks at the fucking roller coaster. Oh, God, do I love me some Schwartz. I mean, people are, they're drinking because these people aren't great friends. They finally have some fun away from their kid. they want to get drunk and Danny can't. So what does he do? He's irritated. He's on edge.

He needs a drink to take the edge off. And he's nitpicking and being awful to Nia. To the point where he's telling her how she needs to do his wig for a drag thing. Which, by the way, we've already seen that in Vanderpump. Yeah. And no one was an uglier woman than Tom Schwartz. No. Wait, let's back up, though.

So again, being a first timer, I, watching this season, I like Janet. Is that just, is that sacrilegious? No, no, I like Janet. I know her personally. I get it. I think, you know, whatever. I like her more than Danny.

What, her going after Danny again. We don't know if the producer said, hey, bring that up again. Yep. If she chose to bring it up and if that's all they ever showed, but she was persecuted by the fans last season. It seemed harsh. People were asking for her head to be fired from the show. All that stuff. So I think she's probably sitting back on Tuesday nights or whenever this airs and is like...

Tuesdays. Having a pretty nice time opening up her phone because he is coming off horribly. They have four kids. Her voice naturally sounds like she's on the verge of tears. Right. She's always like, well, it's really hard because I'm trying to breastfeed and I just wanted one bite of a burrito. But Danny was hoping to get a massage and a coffee. and he didn't realize that I had the blanket

and he needed the blanket to swaddle her so sometimes it's hard when you have four kids. That is spot on and a newcomer to the show, she's gorgeous. Gorgeous. Why did he capture her and take her out to some cult-like, where, I'm not from here, Santa Clarita.

Santa Clarita is absolutely fine, okay? It's really far from every... It's far from where they have to film. That's their job. But it's a whole other community that, you know, is outside of LA, so it has the better schools. Okay. You can get a cute home.

And, you know. She don't like it there, though. No, it's not as cool. And you, you know, if you have your group of 10 friends and you're all doing the mommy shit, it probably would be fine. But all her friends are here and she films a show and stuff. But they couldn't get that kind of a house out where everyone else lives. And they, and it's much safer and cleaner. all that. So is it okay that I like Janet?

Yes. I don't like Kristen. Okay. I definitely don't like Danny. I like Lacey and Jesse. Right. So then Jesse gets this new girl Lacey. Yeah, I like her. And she's coming off great. And, you know, before when they all said, oh, she's pulling a, she wants a cease and desist so that we can't talk about her. I totally understand why. Because if she's not on the show, she doesn't want you doing confessional. Keep my name out of your mouth. Yeah, she doesn't want you do. confessionals about her when she can't defend herself. And then also she didn't want to be on the show because they were newly dating and she didn't want to look thirsty. Now, I also met her personally and she was lovely, but I didn't really know her deal. And now I watch her on the show and I'm like,

I like her. And I like when she told the little girl to like do a dance or something. And she goes, don't make her do that. Like she doesn't want to do it. Don't ask her. And I don't think, I think a lot of people at home realized like, oh, wow. That's. That. And she goes, don't make her do that. And That is a good parenting thing I should probably take on, and I don't think about that. I like them. Now, I don't know that I'd be sitting here today across from you if my parents didn't make me perform for free, okay? Every time they had someone come over, my dad would be like, little girls. And Shannon I would come out and we would sing.

She'd be late, though, right? Like 15 minutes. Yeah, maybe. But I would come out and I would have to sing for the cocktail party. Sing for your supper. I would have to sing, you know, the sun will come out tomorrow. I kind of love that. I have a great story like that.

So it was when Greece came out because I'm 100 years old. And I had just seen the movie and we were at a holiday dinner. Yeah. And my parents were different than yours, Heather. They wanted me to shut the F up. Okay. And maybe I wouldn't be here today if they hadn't said it because now I need even more attention. Yeah.

But I get up in front of the old grandparents and the aunts. and I'm gonna cussing. I think there was neighbors there. And I start singing. And I was all of, I don't know, 10 years old. Look at me. I'm Sandra D. Lousy with virginity. And my dad pulls me, I had a nightgown on. Would you ever have a kid at a dinner and I fail with a nightgown? Why was I wearing a nightgown? And pulls me by my nightgown in the kitchen says, you can't sing that. And I didn't know why. Well, I was going to do, we were going to try out for this like, I can see why he said that. Yeah. But I had a similar thing happen. So at my all-girl high school, we were going to do a talent show. Okay. And you had to audition for it?

And you remember that group that like, I think Prince put together those three girls in real lingerie? And it'd be like, I'm a sex shooter. You're shooting love in your whole direction. So I listened to the tape. Oh, no. I kept rewining and I wrote down all the words so that we could lip sync it on stage in lingerie at the Catholic All-Girl High School. And my dad sees the yellow pad and reads the words. Thank God.

And he's like, you cannot do this. And I was like, what? This is whatever they're called. I forgot the name of them. Six, Nikki. Something six. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Something sick.

They were hot. Yeah. And so it was in my sister. Mr. Shannon, our friend Lucy, was in between our grade and me. So what did you end up doing? I had like three acts that I was going to do. There was going to be a whole talent show that happened. And my senior year, I did a like stand-up act.

I did a singing thing. I did like a group dance and I did a sketch. And then... Okay, Miss America. No, then they canceled. They said, the music teacher said, we're not going to have. have a talent show this year and we're like why and he goes one person's in four of the seven bits so no we're not doing it if you can you believe that I was so bummed like that's all I wanted

to do if you could look at your set if you can call it that from that talent show if you still have it would you stand by any of the materialist this yeah and one was like um an impression which now looking back it probably wasn't okay that I was going to do it but it was to See, that's not fair though because it was, you loved her. It was an, oh, Mom. What's love got to do? Got to do with it. Oh, it wasn't her like in pain and like kind of.

No, not like, she's, no. It was from like her hot video that I watched. She's hot. Okay, let's talk more about, you had a hot take on New Jersey. You wrote me in text and you said, Real House says in New Jersey. And I was like, wow, this is a shocking stance. I know. Have people are shots.

I don't. Would you like to share? Can I curse on the? Yes, of course. I don't fuck with New Jersey. Okay. I don't like it. I don't like the state.

Okay. I don't like the... Where do you live? Philly. And don't tell me it's New Jersey, but it's really close. Okay. I don't like the fashion. I don't like their homes.

I don't like their accent. I don't like the drama. I do love me Marge. Okay. Well, she's not coming back. I know. And I'm happy because I think she's better than that. Okay.

And my least favorite housewife of all time is Tracy Judici, Judici. I don't find her absence of brain cells cute or funny. I think she's mean. I don't believe a word out of her mouth. I'm team Melissa. But it's just not a show that gets me that I feel. I want to, listen, I don't need to watch a reality series where the homes are more, beautiful than mine. The people are more fancy, more fabulous. You don't need to. I don't. I want to

be transported into some shit that I can't even relate to. So you want to, mean, you want it to be better than your life or worse than your life? Better. Oh, better. I like the drama. Don't get me wrong, but I don't need to be looking at their dated kitchens and they're, you know, down the street merry ground fashion. Will anyone know what Mary Garound is? Is that like a, I just don't. I want to be able to, that's why I still love Beverly Hills, because at least I'm seeing some nice things. And the things they fight about in New Jersey, I think are stupid. Yeah. Yeah, I don't feel it.

I mean, I feel like it's a different thing. I feel like it's really relatable in that there, it started with family and it still has family. And I think that the family, it's a different type of show. It's about family. And by the way, Heather, I don't like family. And sure enough, when you work with your family, it never goes well. Well, the reason Beverly Hills to me is... Love me some Beverly Hills.

It's still, if I... If God came down and said, there's only one Bravo show that you can ever watch over and over and over again, all the rest are getting removed, I would choose Beverly Hills. So I would choose it too. I'd be nervous because there's others I love more right now. but long term. Long term to start from the beginning and go and around because one is I am a L.A. girl. Yeah. I love L.A. I love the weather.

I love. So visually, you know, I never cared about like Dallas being a backdrop or even Atlanta being a backdrop or New Jersey. No, like those are just those backdrops of the city don't do anything for me. The women can be compelling. The story can be compelling. Come and go. But with Beverly Hills, you have. real,

real L.A. Hollywood industry people. Yeah. And then on top of it, you have the history of Kyle, Kathy, Kim,

when it started, like, there's nothing better. It was, yeah, so there's that. And then, and then there's history,

you know, there's the history that even on a slower season that someone would argue that the Dereet and the Kyle is, it's still. It's real. I still feel all of them bring a lot.

I just had Bose on the show and I really liked her a lot. And I had someone, someone did a little review of it on their TikTok and they were like, I didn't like her until I heard her on Heather McDonald's show. And I do find her fun and interesting. So again, like, they can all come back. I don't know how Amanda will fit into the next season. Heather, I like her. I don't think she's a good housewife.

I like her. Yeah, I don't think there's anything wrong with what she's doing. I think she's kind of brilliant. I just don't think she like fits in relationship-wise. I don't think she's coming back. I don't think any decisions been made.

Right, but I feel my gut is and so I, my Roman Empire, I'm mostly thinking about nachos. Yeah. Sunscreen. I'm always looking for the best kind of stuff. And Erica Jane.

Yeah. God, I just find her to be, the perfect reality star. Period. Yeah. Queen. Thoughts on Erica. I really think her story is fascinating. Yes. When I read her book, I was very disappointed. Yes.

There was absolutely no juice in it. Nothing. I still think it would be great to have her come and sit down here on Juicy Scoop and answer the questions I have, which are nothing incriminating. No. I am not out to incriminator, have her lose her lawsuit. The things that I would like to ask Erica are. So you meet Tom Girardi, okay? You have a decent relationship with your ex-husband,

and you decide the ex-husband is going to raise the child in New York. Pretty controversial for that time. Very. Obviously, it all worked out. You still have a great relationship with your son. I was always thinking that when she would get her bad season, which she never got. Dying to hear this.

I always thought season two of her or three, some bitch is going to bring that up. And they never did. Maybe they did. And maybe she was like, oh, you're not going to. Because she did freak when people did bring up the sun. And later, in the cop part. The cop part where that was so weird with,

Elaine Davidson. But I just thought because I remember I was interviewing her and I said okay and then you know at this point she'd only been on the show one season so she's very holding back.

It was when I did the podcast we weren't even filming it back then and she still brought three people for the photo. She had a hair guy, a makeup person and the wardrobe person. To be her. And all lovely. Okay, sat down, did answer everything.

thing. But I said, so tell me, so you meet Tom Gerardy and tells me how she meets him and, you know, moved in with, like, in her toy to Selica and like a bag of clothes. I don't even know if she had luggage. Moved in with him. And then one day he's like, hey, let's get, we're getting married today. My friend, the judge will be the person or something. And they got married on like the eighth whole of like whatever some country club and I go so so who is you know so who is there just just the two of you and and your son and she goes oh no my son wasn't there now the son was a little boy yeah was the mom there and what I want to ask her is this is what I'm guessing and now I believe it was such a transactional relationship that you know it was like living with your dad and I

think he said, listen, you can buy whatever you want. You can hop on a plane and visit your son. The son can come out here. But I need a wife to be available to me. I don't hate that. I can't have you going to Little League doing all this stuff. I am not looking to father a five-year-old. And I think that also part of the package might have been she was really quite generous to the ex-husband. This is all me, to keep it nice, know that he had a great life in New York and everything, and maybe because she was already kind of living a separate life in L.A., not being a day-to-day, day-to-day mom, it was okay for her. It was okay for her, and it was okay for her son. Like I said, they have a great relationship today. A lot of dads don't have a day-to-day with their kid and turn out to still

have a great adult relationship with their child, providing they do it all right and everything. but I always thought Wow how has that never been brought up in like a bitchy moment but I I'm glad that they didn't do it because it would have been a really

bitchy fucked thing to say and the and her comeback but her comeback would have been like and look at us now I have a great relationship with my son now the son never appears on TV which totally is fine which is hot because she's a cop

and she respects it everything but as a viewer she's like oh my My son loves my new boyfriend who's like the Navy SEAL. Yeah. You wouldn't mind it. You wouldn't mind it. You wouldn't mind it.

Could I see a dinner? Could I see a cookout? Could I see him bring his girlfriend and see if she hits it off? Would it kill him? I mean, by the way, he's in a line of work that could kill him. This won't kill him. Right. I'm not mad at him for doing it.

I'm just saying she still, I don't care if we never see the boyfriend or the son. I still want her on the show. I still find her interesting. I like her advice. I love that she's become this person. But there's those kind of things. I also would like to ask her. So now you've been married to Tom Durradi for a few years.

And you're going to these highfalutin lawyers, Pasadena, which is the only old money town in L.A. It's Pasadena. Okay, these people are snobby. That's not how Erica grew up. Were these women mean to her? Were they nice to her? Did any of these other guys hit on her like they did a pretty woman?

The book had no juice. And he didn't even read the book. Why did you book me today? We need to get Erica in this chair. I always ask Erica, every time I see her, she's very nice to me. I always say, I know you're busy anytime. But there's so many rules with brava and all that shit. But I don't know.

I think there's so much more. This is the interview. I think there's so much more that she could share. And she should share that part because we did see signs and some. of her not fitting in and we would feel the same way. And he was an asshole. Yeah. And she realizes it now.

I mean that like Erica plays. Yeah. And that's one of the many reasons I love her is that she could have gone the other way with being insecure and staying in the victim role. And I think she rose. I mean, another person, Jennifer Tilly. Well, can we talk about the dress for a second? Can I get one with your picture on it? But only someone with her personality could get away with that.

If Doreet did it, the world would rip her apart. Of course. I mean, it's almost like sometimes when a drag queen does something, it's every woman is like, she's fabulous. Yeah. But if a woman actually dressed that. She mentioned Amanda had done it? Yeah.

No. It's not okay. It's like, you know, you're a thirsty, annoying twat. Right. But someone that does it like, of course you should wear your face. Because you're Jennifer Tilly and she's so likable. Now, she's someone that this is worked out perfectly for. She doesn't have kids.

We never see the boyfriend. Kind of like Carol Radswell, when she did the show and I told her this because she's been on a bunch of times. I'm like, you're kind of lucky because you didn't, you didn't ruin a family. You didn't ruin a marriage. You didn't hurt your kids. It's like you just could go on and be yourself. It's golden. And so she could just go on and be herself.

Is she a friend of or a total member? She's still a friend of. Which is also being the poster. Someone who don't need a dollar. It's the perfect role. It's a perfect role. It keeps irrelevant. I think she's just, she's doing some player filming something right now. So she's able to still be top of mind for someone that may have otherwise forgotten about her.

Of course we would have. And then she gets to have her fun. And she's just sweet. She doesn't have to hide her money. No. She got it. perfectly. She married someone who made a bunch of money. She got really smart with her divorce. And then when he died, they were still friendly. So it's like she, when she has some $100,000 bag, no one's mad about it.

Your dead ex-husband left you that money. Was she married to Bart Simpson? But she also is a brilliant poker player. Yes. Let's not, let's give her some flowers for that. Oh, yeah. Insane. Very interesting woman. Yeah. And I'm looking at the cast. And, well, I mean, you know her and you went to her party and I've never gone. Kathy Hilton, what a moment. What a once in a lifetime. I mean, she is historic. She should be protected at all cost. She's a national treasure. I think she is great. You know, she too has two sons we never see or hear about.

I don't know what they're doing. They're good looking. And that's all fine. Yep. You know, like when I've been like, how many grandkids do you have now? She'll say all, you know, like a couple of the boys have had kids.

But the only ones that count are the ones from Paris. Well, to me. Right. But I think it's nice that, you know, Paris is one type of star. Nikki is really building her own brand. But Nikki Mary's a Rockefeller. I mean,

Oh. They just have done great. And I root for them. I want really wealthy people to get more money. Why do you think she was so angry at Kyle for doing the short-lived show American woman about their mother? Listen, we all have complicated relationships with moms. And Kathy's was very different than Kyle's. And if you're, I mean, Kathy's a little older.

10 years older, different dads. Listen, it's a private thing. Right. And Kathy doesn't put her dirty laundry out. And she felt like, why are you doing this? I have these great memories and not great memories, and I'm not putting it on blast. I understand why she was angry. I do, but I also understand it was proud that Kyle's like, but this is my story.

Right. And the story of how that came about is Kyle went to like Soho House or something with a couple people. That's when she was fun. They were like fans or something when she was still trying. Yeah. And they were just chatting and she was just telling these fun stories about her. mother. And she leaves. And then they call and they said, you know, we actually think that'd make a great scripted show. And I want you to meet these, whatever. And you can't blame her for being like,

now I'm an executive producer of a scripted show about my life. It only went one or two seasons or something. I never really watched it. I am very familiar with the book that you cannot buy anymore, which is, it's the book about the Hilton's. Some fans sent it to me. And it is, was written probably 20 years ago. Paris had already been famous. It is not flattering. No, I can't imagine.

Towards the mom and the men that she dated and what her aspirations were for her three daughters. And mom liked the drink, right? Yes, but also the mom, you know, was smart in the sense. There's two different kinds of moms, right? My mom was the mom that was like, you get an education, you make your own money, don't ever depend on a man, you won't need a man, you're going to this private school and you're going to go and be a star and be a successful person, whatever that is. That's how my mom, like, when my mom was young, her parents were like sent her to this, to live with her cousin who was only 20 because that's where a private all-girl Catholic high school was in Chicago. And at that time, they were like, that's, you're smart. And that's the only way you're going to, like, have a career is if you go to this private school.

Wow. So those schools started to kind of like keep you from getting knocked up and just being a housewife, like, whatever. So then there's that kind of mom. This kind of mom was like, no, you're going to make it, because you're going to marry the richest son of the richest man in L.A. Mission accomplished. And you are going to go for that. And you know what? It's just as easy to marry a rich man as it is to marry a poor man.

And it was that kind of mentality. Obviously, in Kathy's case, it certainly has worked out. It sure as hell has. They, like, seem like their best buds and been together like 45 years. Kyle married this, like, Persian prince. Yeah. And who used to be hot? The first one or...

Oh, wait, we never talk about the Mauricio. Oh, no, no. We'll get to that. Right. She married the first husband. Yes. Right, right. and had the first daughter Farah

and that they seem to always have a decent relationship. Then she marries Maricio and they don't have a pot to piss in. He's selling suits at a clothing store. They get their real estate license together and he starts working. Then she starts having kids. He starts working for the Hilton's.

And like I said, it never works out when you work with family, ever. I work with my family. Well, that's one off, Heather. I don't know if it weren't. works out. Oh, well, maybe it does, but for sure in Mo's case, there's bad blood. So what happened when you said what happened with the Lala story? So the Lala story is, I guess she said on her podcast, that he DM'd her. Well, he did. And said, let's get coffee. It did. That's all true.

It did. But then he was stopped and they said, tell us about this. And he goes, she's a liar. I don't think she's lying. What happened was he got wind that she was recapt. happen shows or whatever, her podcast. And, you know, I always say, you know, the new thing to the TV show should be, I heard what you said about me on your podcast. I mean, that's what it is. You just say it, you put it out there and then you have to, like, clean it up. Can we talk about someone right now and make it happen?

Wait, let's finish this story. But then think about it. Yeah, I'm going to say something about it. Okay, so then I think he heard her, and he reached out and he's like, hey, I heard what you said about me on your podcast. Which is that he's a player. or whatever, he goes, I'd like to clear it up or something. Either on the phone or we could get a coffee.

Weird. And it shows, so then that's what it is. So she's not lying per se. But why would you have to get a cup of coffee? So, okay, I had P.K. Reach out to me once. No. Because on my podcast, maybe two seasons ago,

I said, you know, they're 20 years apart to Rit and Pek. And he wrote me and he said, we are not 20 years apart. We are seven and a half years apart. I don't blame him for reaching out to you, Heather. And I'm like, you are only seven and a half years older than Derreet. He goes, Derreet's 47. This is like two years ago. Wow.

And I'm 56 or whatever it was. Or whatever seven years. And I was like, wow. You look a little older than that. But I was just like, wow, she looks a lot younger. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you got it wrong. But he was, but I, yeah, I got it wrong. You're not 20 years apart. You wouldn't like that if someone said you're, you know. No. So I kind of loved that he did it. I wasn't offended. I like that he corrected it. And you like his accent, right? I flattered that he knew about it. Yeah. And I'm like, all right. Like, you know, I like to read. I think he's fine too. Like I said, we now know everything, you know, that he drinks too much or doesn't. She spends too much or it's right or doesn't. Nobody is. spending any money on the mortgage.

It was his job. The letter got lost in the mail. Whatever. Now it's ugly and we know it. And you're both adults who have filed for bankruptcy. You've opened businesses. You've spent money. You're not 20 and 55. You're not Erica Jane

who doesn't know what's going on with her husband's business. At this point, this has happened before. You should have been able to figure out a financial plan. And my priority would have been not to move. I would have done whatever it was to not move. My party would have been hiring Amanda Francis. But, okay, what was who do you want to talk about to get some press? Let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, to get the attention of. I mean, listen, it's not popular and I'm in a minority now, but I still

think Craig Conover's hot. Well, why did he suddenly become un-hom? I'm good, because I'm a Southern Charm expert. Because Paige dumped him. No. God. I have to teach you everything. I was just boots on the ground in Charleston, and I hung out with Miss Patricia. Yes. And let me tell you something. She can't even get Craig to sleep with me.

People don't like Craig because he is in fact a liar. Okay. What do he lie about? Oh, he lies about everything. And because he acts different on camera, don't we all? But the end of the day, Heather, I just think he's hot looking. So what I'm going to say right now is Craig Conover

came on to me at Bravo, when we were alone in an elevator. How? It didn't really happen, but I want him to hear it. And I want him, not as publicist, I want him to reach out and say, that didn't happen, Lori, I'll be on your podcast. People just don't like him.

They think he's immature. They think he's, but I just, it's one of those people that he's not a fan favorite anymore, but I'm not fair weathered. What is it called? Fair weather fan? Yeah, I just, I love me some Craig Conover. Well, I remember when my heart fluttered, okay?

Uh-oh. It was BravoCon the first one ever. New York. New York. Yeah, yeah. Where you had to walk blocks to go to the three different spots. The old school. And I went to the spot where all these people had their booths.

And I was with, so I went there, and I'm walking through the booths. And I see Craig and Austin. selling their sewing caps. Sowing down south. I never met them. I didn't even cover Southern Charm that much. They knew who I was. Ooh.

Both of them. And they go, Heather. And I come over, I got a free cap. Yeah, you did. Both tall and cute. Yeah. My type. Yeah.

Southern Frat Boy types. Oh, yes. And I got it too. for both of them. And then when he was with Paige, I was at an event at Spago for like women in reality TV or something like that.

And Paige is adorable and I'd already had Hannah on my show and I know Hannah. And they again, both came up to me very, very sweet and cute. But I knew from Hannah years back, she did a show of mine

and then we got to drink after without telling me. too much like, okay, shake your head or whatever, like giving the hook. I was like, do you think they'll get married? And she was like, no, no. And they still stayed together like a year and a half after that. So I was like, oh, so I wasn't surprised when they broke up. I wasn't surprised by their kind of dynamic on camera. And I think part of that is just, you know, circumstances and also, you know, page success. And when you date at that age for a certain amount of years and you don't get engaged or married by a certain amount of time, that window

becomes something where you're like, maybe I don't want this. Like, that's why guys, when they do find that girl that's right, they do need to lock it down. They do. They need to lock it down because she'll change her mind. But he wasn't going to be able to lock her down. She was a star rising. And what I didn't mention Heather is maybe Craig isn't great on alcohol. And maybe, Maybe he got thrown out of Kyle and Amanda's wedding because of it. And maybe he's very mean on it. Maybe the last season of Southern Charm, that's another reason they don't like him.

But I am... Is he sober now? Well, he said he was sober, and then he started drinking, and that was a big storyline this past season. But I have to tell you, I don't know there's something about Craig's temper. I mean, I'm almost 60.

Whatever turns me on turns me on. I don't want him hurting anyone. But I don't mind a little out of control, Craig. Well, speaking of you, do we think, yes or no, allegedly, do you think Jen Fessler got fingered by West? Over her pants? Well, no, it would have to go under. No, I think it was an inappropriate flirtation. Okay.

Okay. I think that they didn't have real skin on skin. and I believe they didn't have sex. Am I naive, Heather? I don't know her personally. I have met her and she was on my show. I think she seems likable and non-polarizing, just kind of like you don't hate her,

you don't like go hard for her and ride at dawn. Like she's just a normal woman that was pretty that met that knew the people in the group. Like I just kind of like, you know, and I'm sure she's intelligent, like a deal. decent friend. I, who knows, some would say, you know, whatever that is, the who attest too much whatever. I mean, I, I think, I had someone once tell me, this like manager guy goes, didn't you, oh, no, someone, oh, this was it. It was like, somebody who was like, didn't you have a

threesome with, like, Sophia? I was like, God, would you be cooler? Did you just say yes? Why wouldn't you just say yes? I was like, that's amazing, Heather. That's the best rumor. She kind of did that. She kind of was like, I can't believe, you know, that anyone think that I would be Eskimo

sisters with Sierra or whatever she said. But I just, I don't know. I think, I think because maybe it was a little inappropriate or maybe there are phone calls or DMs or something. Flirty that happened. Who knows? I don't think her husband cares. I think if she told him

this stupid rumor's going around, I'm gonna squash it. He's probably like, fine. He probably didn't listen to two cunts on a Zoom. He didn't even listen to that episode. He doesn't even know what's going on and he doesn't care.

And then because she is trying to stay relevant, she probably was like, I'm going to make lemonade out of it. She is, listen, she was very upset not to be cast again. She was writing off into the not sunset, but I would say who is getting, whose collateral damage is her son. He doesn't find any of it. I don't even know she had a son. That's how much I don't remember from the show.

Yeah, yeah. She has a son and daughter. Oh, New Jersey. Uh, but I would say he's not finding it cute. It's embarrassing. The whole world's now, but I think it is, Doth, protest too much. You must be, but there's something about the way she's denying it that I'm believing. It may be my women's instinct. But I would love it if I'm wrong. Gosh, would I love that? I don't know. I think it's I think it's possible and it also could be nothing. No, no, no. But he did. How about that? Watch what happens. Do you see that when he says, and he says, if you slept? Yeah. Yeah. And he says, almost 60. And it was weird. It was weird, but that's what I liked about it. Oh, didn't he, did you think he was cute before this happened? No. Wow, I did. I feel.

so dirty. That's okay. Yeah, I didn't. Wait, how about I never liked Amanda Batula until this season. Now you like her? No, no. At the beginning of the season, I started liking her. Oh. Yeah, yeah. Because you felt sorry for her and you're glad. Well, because I had a younger daughter saying she's like the cool girl and she's beautiful and she dresses and Kyle's mean to her. And wow, did I flip my way of thinking, I don't like Mandy. You know who I don't like also? Well, I don't like Carl Radke's mom. I've, I've, I've, made videos about that. You see that episode? Good Jesus. I don't know what you're talking about,

but do tell me what's wrong with his mother and why you go after a reality story's mother. That comes over to Lindsay at the soft bar with no alcohol and she's like all in the camera and Lindsay's face and Lindsay's like, I didn't marry your son because of this. Oh, oh, this is recent at his launch which she'll click it went well. You got to see that. But who I've just really never liked, I don't get why people like her but people ride hard for is Lindsay. What is your feeling on Lindsay Hubbard? I don't want to pull a rap report here. I don't want to get in trouble. It's not that I'm dislike her.

I just don't get the hype on Lindsey Hubbard. I think she's really pretty. I like good for her and what she's done. I love that she's a mother. I was always very curious. I was shocked when they got together, her and Carl. Yes.

I always thought when he was a little bit heavier and he'd wear those white pants, I always thought he would end up with a boyfriend. Yeah. I mean, I think we all did. But there's, you know, there's no proof to it. I don't think it's, that's going to happen.

I heard one something, but it doesn't matter. I heard that about West T.D. You never know. Guys, younger guys that are horny, they may dabble in the dick. They might dabble in the dick. God, I don't even dabble in dick anymore. And not really care. Why is it okay for women to make out with their sorority sister

and do all that stuff, but for some reason, guys, the minute they do a sword fight, they can't hang out with a girl again? I don't know. I know you were a big sorority girl because you were cool like that, like me. When you look at the pictures on Facebook of your sorority sisters now, there's none of those you're going to do, correct? I never did anybody. I never kissed a girl. I've never kissed a girl.

I've never even done anything like that. But if you had to pick one woman on Brava to kiss, I know who I'd pick. I think I'd pick Sierra. Damn. I mean, I just think her body and her skin. It's just like she's so perfect. And not only she a model, she's a nurse.

So if you pass out from cardiac arrest for being with a woman for the first time, you think it's going to be that great. You're going to have a heart attack. My God, Peter, what are you doing wrong? And you're tall and lanky like her too. Yeah, I just think she's very, very attractive. But I'm just not attracted to women like that.

Don't you want to know who I would want to be with? But wait, I want to go back to the Lindsay thing. She's just mean. I don't think she was mean. She had the, okay, you thought she was mean to Carl? I just think she's mean overall. I just, I don't like her energy. I mean, it's kind of interesting that a show where, you know, so many times we rally around women

and we're like, I can't believe that, you know, you were with this man that crushed your dreams and didn't believe in your crocheting or whatever. And we have two instances on Summerhouse where the women were bashing his DJ aspirations. And she was bashing his soft bar thing. And listen, I kind of was on Lindsay's side too. I was like, I get it. And I think part of it was you haven't taken this opportunity as being a television personality to make a business work. I'm kind of getting turned off.

Now we're getting married. And I don't want to put our combined income into the hardest business on earth, a restaurant bar, sober or not coffee house. A real brick and mortar thing that you've never really worked in. It's not like your dad owned five restaurants. You know, I mean, that's why I think it. That's not Ronald McDonald. That's where mine is. So anyway, so that.

That was great. Do you own, are you McDonald money? No. Do you get free happy meals? No, but I did. When I was a little girl, I was being bullied. Is your dad Ronald McDonald? And my mom said, just say it.

Tell them your dad owns it. So I went back in like the third grade. I said, my dad owns McDonald's. And then I went a little further. Since we were at Catholic school, we didn't have a cafeteria. But every Wednesday, you could fill out a little form and get a burger delivered to you. And I said, we donate all that. So you lied in Catholic school.

And I said, yeah, and I said, we donate all the, all the hamburgers and everything. And so for about two weeks, I was the shit. How did that all fall apart? A little shit came back to school and said, you're a liar. My dad told me that the people that own McDonald's aren't even named McDonald's anymore, and it's a franchise, which means anybody could own a McDonald's. There isn't one person that owns McDonald's. What is Little Heather, you were never little, what does Tall Heather say at that point?

I just said, oh God. I just said, okay. Like, I was joking. So I'm in a frat party in college. I went to University of Georgia, go dogs. And this hot guy comes over right on the spot, quick as I am. He says, what's your name? I'm like, Lori Rap.

He goes, rap. I'm like, like, Saran Wrap. He goes, that's your, I'm like, yeah, rap is my family. We invented Saran Wrap. And he just kind of walked away and went to the keg. Is that true, though? Yeah, I said that. But did you invest?

No. Oh. Oh. Do you think that Saran rap is a rap family and they happen to do rap? I don't know. Right? But that was the one and all. I never lied again.

Because I figured. Heather. If a third grader can figure it out. You never lied again. No, about McDonald's. Oh, okay. About McDonald. If a third grader could figure it out, then you're, it's not a good lie.

It's not a good lie. You have a crush on Sierra Miller. I can't believe. You want to have sex with Sierra Miller. No, I don't want to have sex with her. You said if I had to kiss someone. if I had to kiss someone wouldn't be Jen Fessler

No because old women are gross What bravo boy would you kiss because obviously I would say Craig You can't go Moe Craig is pretty good Let me just see Kyle

Why do you think Kyle Cook's out now Absolutely no one from the valley No do you think I like Tom Schwartz But not I don't think I want to kiss him anymore Wait what about Kyle Cook Heather, are you finding him having a glow up and being hot now? I like Kyle Cook, but to me, he's a little short for me, and I don't go for anything in the blonde family. There's street signs that are short for you.

How tall are you? I'm only like five, nine. But I'm definitely going to say, I'm going to say, I mean, I'm going to say, I think Craig is the only one. Yeah. I don't even think I'd want Austin. No, you don't want to. By the way, Craig and Austin aren't speaking. They hate each other.

Now, Wittner's a new guy who I've become friends with. See that guy on the left? Oh, he's cute. He's a southern gentleman. Oh, jeez. Yeah, I like him. But I've interviewed, I can't even think of his name. I can't see from here.

You know, what's his name? Shaky leg. Oh, Shap, you're not having you. You're not. I interviewed Shep. Listen, I like this show because I'm attracted to that frat boy style. Same. Same.

That he and Austin and Craig all share. So. I think Shep went to my college. Yeah. Yeah. But, you know. He's old now and he's not, you know, that cool. I'm going to just, yeah, it's going to have to be Craiged as well.

Yeah. And so I have a question for you. Yeah. What is your favorite reality TV show right now? It doesn't have to be Bravo. Like, what just makes you smile and you can't stop? Just hearing the theme. I mean, it's going to have to be Real House of Beverly Hills and it's not on anymore right now.

It's not. But that would have to be it. That I'd be the most excited. I watch it on Peacock the day after. So I'm like, oh, good. You know, it's Friday, and I have a few shows to watch now. You wish it was on all year every day? I don't know if I even love it that much.

But it makes you happy. But, yeah, if I have to pick one, I'm like more into scripted shows a little bit right now. Yeah. I'm sad that the comeback is over. That was great. You know, there's just certain things. But I feel like that is a little quirky and it's not for everybody.

So that's where we're at. Well, tell everybody, you know, where they can enjoy more. More of your fabulous hot takes and humor. Well, you can find me. I'm a TikToker. I'm an Instagrammer. I do a little entertainment reporting for us weekly. And I have a podcast called Juicy Scoopy.

Does that bother you? There's a Y on the end. Juicy Scoopy. Fan or fanatic. By the way. Fucking hilarious. Right? I love you, Heather.

is trademarked. I know. But there's a lot of things that have the word juicy in it and a lot of things that have the scoop in it. But you cannot take the scoop out of the juice.

You can say juicy scoop. I love it. Like when I see like one time Melissa Gorga is like, oh, give me the juicy scoop. Like I love that it's in people's vernacular. Yeah. You just can't call your podcast that

or wear a shirt with it. Yeah. But that is really funny that you just said that. And I loved being. And illegal. Yeah. And we will go after you, my team. This has been fun.

I like this. It's been so fun. I love that you came out and we'll have to do it again sometime. We will. We will. That's great. Queen Heather. Love you. I love you so much.

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