Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald - VMA’s, DWTS, Saints, Sinners and Housewives

Episode Date: September 9, 2025

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doll.net. But I never knew, I never really know what to expect if it's going to be, I've been there when it's just been a low-key shopping event for her shoe line and for Kathy's jewelry line. So I didn't know what this was going to be. And it was filmed for the real housewives. And I got to see all of them and talk to many of them. They were looking gorgeous. I found it later that I believe that was one of the last quote-unquote filming days for the season. And then later on, on Saturday, Alexia, their second daughter, well, I think she, you know, she is the oldest daughter between Kyle and Mauricio, because Farah was from a previous marriage. She got married. She was a really adorable, very type A personality who was featured on buying Beverly

Hills as Maricio's daughter. She got married. And through People magazine, there's some photos floating around and ones that she's shared. And it looked like a really fun, fabulous wedding. And the only photos I saw of housewives that did go were a photo of Lisa Renna and Teddy Mellencamp and then Erica Jane, who by the way, I talked to Erica Jane. And I said, I really like that you're dating Spencer Pratt's friend, you know, the former Navy SEAL or whatever goes by Shrek, but in a hot way guy. And they're still going strong. So I said, I really like that for you. I think it's time you have like a manly man. And she was really cool and looking great. I really like what's going on with Erica Jane in her life now after it's been a few years since all the shit went down. So I think. think um all the ladies look great there were a couple new ladies there um who i did not talk to so i think it's going to be great season i heard it wouldn't be airing to like january um but for more of that sorry you're going to have to go over there but it was it's great seeing everybody and the

wedding looked spectacular for alexia um i do not think it was filmed for the four real houses of beverly hills in fact i'm like 99% sure it was not and um and I don't know which of the other Hilton's and stuff went because then last night I saw that Nikki Hilton and Paris were on the red carpet at the VMAs, which is in New York City and the wedding I think was Saturday night. However, you could make both. So I'm assuming they attended since it seems like everything's good with the Hilton's and Kyle Richards family.

So, yeah, it was really, really fun and a beautiful event and check out her jewelry because I really like it. I'm wearing one of the gold butterflies here, but it's these really cool lockets that then you can, when you order them, you can put in a photo so then the locket automatically has the photo of your family or your pet or your child when you get it. So anyway, I loved it. And it was very nice past Daps, beautiful day, beautiful decor. I ran into Denise Richards, who's always so sweet. She's one of my favorite interviews I've ever done here on J.C. Scoop. And she looked great. And so we talked a little bit and I just said, I'm so sorry, you're going through all this with your divorce from Erin.

And I'm like, full disclosure, you know, I'm covering it on juicy scoop. And she was just such, so great and such an open face sandwich about it all. And she said that the ladies have been extremely supportive of her and of the whole situation. It's been really lovely. And I said, I mean, what a nightmare. I can't believe you're going through this again. And she's like, I know, that's why it should have happened earlier and it wasn't happening because I never wanted to go through another awful divorce.

Now, of course, she is friendly with Charlie and has been for quite a while and they're on really great terms. She went to the premiere, Charlie's documentary, which comes out September 10th, is making headlines for some of the very revealing things that he talks about in it. for people like me, we remember when he had his full breakdown, when he was at the height of his career of two and a half men, where he was talking about Tiger's Blood. He went on, he literally went on like a stand-up tour because he was every day. It was just a crazy thing that we were reporting on on Chelsea lately about what was going on. And, you know, he always had like a crazy dating life.

I believe he was, he dated a very famous porn star for a long time that he was going to marry or wanted to marry. And then, then he married beautiful Denise Richards. And for, I don't know, maybe a year and a half, it seemed pretty blissful. She left him when she was pregnant with the second daughter. Then he married this woman, Brooke. And she has been in and out of rehab like 21 times. but in Denise's new show, which I don't know that that's coming back on Bravo and E about her life with her daughters. Oh my gosh, just fly is back. Oh, I got, wait.

Oh, geez. Oh, my God. There's two. Okay, you guys, whenever there's two flies hanging out on a set, I do think it's my parents. I just want to be part of the fun. But we trapped one of them in a glass, and now the other one is hanging out. Okay. we can keep that. I don't know. Who cares? Getting back to it, Charlie's led a crazy life and lots of women, lots of sex, lots of drug use, lots of craziness on his part. And he reveals in the documentary that comes out on September 10th that he had sex with men. And it was during a time when he was using crack. And I really cannot wait to watch it and see how he speaks about it.

I commend the honesty. There has been rumors about this kind of behavior and other things that are even more upsetting that I will, sorry, talk about it on Patreon because it's just too crazy juicy, but it involves the two quarries. Anyway, so she looked great. She's doing great. still trying to get Aaron's family out of the property that they've been living in for four years, the brother and the parents, and get them on their way. It's very frustrating for us to hear what she's going through. He is asking for spousal support.

She then in turn asked for spousal support from him. I think just to counteract that claim, I don't know. I'm not a divorce attorney because he says I don't have a job and I have no income. You know, there's been so many accounts of what he's done, said horrible things about her in the press, about her being a mother. Supposed, he did want to adopt Eloise, who was her adopted child that she adopted as a single woman. And she allegedly filed the paperwork wrong. So he is not the biological father of that child, which not biological, sorry, he's not the adoptive father. It's only her, which is interesting too.

I wonder if that's part of this divorce so that he would have regular custodial visits and therefore she would have to pay child support if he was officially the dad. So, you know, if she can get out of spousal support, can he get child support, even though she adopted this child as single woman and there is no legal adoption on his part. So it's a big, awful mess, but she's just as delightful and down to earth as ever. And I made a joke about the backwards jacket, so no more of that. And so we'll see. We'll see what it is.

Derreet was there. She was probably ordering her three carcass out lemon vodka drinks. And, you know, all of it is, it was great. It was a real fun time. Okay. So then we have the craziest thing that happened with a Karen who has gone rogue. A Karen in the worst way. I am on a campaign to make Karen's great again because I have a friend named Karen and I have a sister-in-law named Karen and they are both great, smart, fabulous women. This woman, we don't know her name, but she was at a Philly. game and a ball fell into the stands and everybody went on the ground to grab it and this man fair and squarely grabbed it on the ground before this woman did who has like remember at the height of Kate Gosling's fandom with her eight Kate plus eight and she had that really bad

haircut it's like that but worse it's like blonde on the top and like dark in the back and he goes over, gets the ball, goes right to his like eight-year-old son and gives him the ball. And then she comes up and he's like, whoa, and she's screaming at him. There's been so many fans that have gotten even a closer look at her and what she's saying. And she's like, no, you took it from me. You took it. She's claiming like it was in her hand and he took it. There's no way for us to really know that from the footage I saw.

still he has a kid you don't like what the fuck is your problem anyway he I believe did the right thing and immediately said to his son like sorry and gave her the ball because she was acting like a lunatic there has been memes and things like or you know who you know is he a beta male was that wrong that he gave it back and most of the comments of the way I feel like no you're showing your son that even if you're right it's not worth it you don't don't want to get in an argument with someone that is this unhinged. She is a woman as well. And that's being a gentleman. That's being the bigger person. And also that's protecting yourself. It turned out great. The team heard about it, gave him a signed bat, brought him back

into, I know it's not called backstage, but whatever, locker room met the players. you know, somebody else offered them some very generous gift for their family to enjoy. And I don't know where this woman is. I have not found if like she has a job and what that I want to know what her job is. So please comment on my YouTube. Please subscribe to my YouTube and comment. What is her job? Has she tried to defend herself? What is happening? So there was a, that was a, that was a, great viral baseball moment, Phillies. Kristen Cabot, who is the other famous girl of the summer, who was at the Coldplay concert with the guy she was working with hugging her behind when the big camera caught them. She has reportedly filed for divorce, according to TMZ, from her husband. And yeah, I'm not surprised.

And what a moment. you know what I know we joke about how many documentaries are out and for people that have followed pop culture and for the last 30 years it is annoying that I can't that there's no new documentaries about something I don't already know about but this will be a documentary too and you know what can we at least wait 10 years for this doc to come out please please unless some real juicy follow-out happens you know if they just have you some clean divorces and she's left the company and whatever, but I don't really think this constitutes a Netflix doc. So Netflix exec that listened to Juicy Scoop, we don't need to see this documentary. This is weird as fuck. A surgeon named Dr. Hopper, he had a sexual obsession for amputee porn. And he had his own legs cut off for a 600. thousand dollar insurance payday and he is facing charges for insurance fraud how sick is this shit okay can you imagine he had his own legs cut off it was like a it was like a double

whammy like he was into amputee porn he then became an amputee and then he got 600k from the insurance scam of saying like he needed his legs cut off and he did And he did some weird thing where he like, I don't know, made them super cold or something in which then he could constitute having them removed. It was real weird. So, you know, and this person's a doctor. Like this, which we all think, you know, is one of the highest, most difficult jobs to get. What a weirdo. Hello, you guys.

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fashions and I watched the highlights of the performances and I'll give you a little rundown on it so then you at least know what happened last night. Most importantly, the two hunting wives, lesbians, stars came on the red carpet looking great. and Wiglis. So that was nice. So they were looking good and Britney Snow and, oh God, I forgot the other girl's name, the main star. Anyway, they looked great. I definitely think there's going to be a second season. It's based on a book. And even if there isn't more to the story, they were going to keep these characters going because it was such a big hit.

In some New Jersey news on the carpet, because there were a lot of reality. stars there. It's New York City. It's a VMA's. It's a red carpet, you know. But Danielle Cabral, she was, is the only been on the show Real House of New Jersey for a couple years. And the scoop there is that she said, they're doing testing with new housewives where they're just doing like scenes to see if these girls would work out, if there's a connection with Melissa Gorga, Dolores, and Margaret at Joseph's. Teresa is not part of that. However, would you necessarily need a Teresa at that level, like, to do the hard work of doing

scenes for free? Or does that mean she really isn't going to be coming back? You know, because the only friends she really has are like, I don't even know who she's friends with anymore because the Jennifer Aiden is not coming back based on her Jersey Mike's behavior. I mean, listen, that was bad, but when you think about, like, if, is she going to, like, forever? Is that going to be her story? Like, oh, I was a housewife.

And then I got fired. Oh, why did you get fired? Oh, because I was really fucking horrible to a Jersey Mike's person at 7 in the morning with tuna fish sandwiches, which is a crime in itself. Who the fuck orders a tuna fish sandwich at 7 in the morning? It puts it on a plane to the Bahamas with my family on New Year's Day. so people are hung over on a flight and then smelling your tuna fish sandwich. But anyway, she was very, very rude to the people working there. And it all got found out because she told her herself.

She was one of those people that was like, oh, my God, to my followers, everybody, like, look how, how, can you believe that this person who's making minimum wage, making my sandwich on New Year's Day, whatever, didn't treat me like the queen that I am? So I don't know that that she'll ever recover from that. She was supposed to go on the Wives by the Sea. That special cruise, which is going to be Dolores, Teresa, Jennifer Aiden, and got the boot from the Jersey Mike scandal and was placed by Shannon Bador. That has been canceled. People don't know if it's been canceled because nobody signed up or because actually Dolores is going to be busy filming with or without Teresa.

we don't know. Anyway, she was pretty classy about her answer. She's like, oh, they're looking at new people and a shakeup will be good. And she's being smart about it. Doesn't see, she certainly is not guaranteed coming back. Doesn't seem like she even will. But she's being classy about it, showing up on the red carpet, being relevant, doing interviews. And, you know, saying like, I trust whatever the producers want will be the best for everyone involved and how, very smart thing to do. There's some other, you know, fun fashions. I'm going to say it, you guys. I'm going to say it for a while. I am ready. Can we do a movement to stop the swimsuit, sheer, long cover-ups that you'd wear around a pool

with your bikini underneath? Can that stop being black tie attire? Please. It's just not that original. I don't think it's an aha moment anymore. I don't think it's like, ooh, look, I can see your, you know, I can see your camel toe or I can see your vagina, you know, cleavage. Literally, like you're wearing like, you know, I don't know. I just, I don't, we can see your butt crack.

Okay. Ooh, your belly body's shown. I don't know. good body good body bad body it's just it's just not that original anymore and I think we need to move past it and it's been a thing for like three years so I think it's it's done it's time I really do um Alex Earl wore a hot dress short hot dress she got a real tiny good body um with a nice boob job and it was a very extreme side tit shot and I think that's good I think that's great for her um she I did not I don't realize is doing dancing with the stars too. So is Hilaria Baldwin. And some people do not think it's fair that Hilaria Baldwin is doing it because she has such an extensive dance background. She was doing ballroom dance when she decided to become Spanish and hang out where Alec Baldwin was enjoying vegan food and speak loudly in a Spanish accent when she knew he was obsessed with Selma Hayek

on 30 Rock and try to win his heart over what she succeeded at. According to Juliana Huff, the rumor is that she was campaigning for that for a long time to get herself on, and she really is a great dancer. Like, she really is. She's very fit, and she knows how to do ballroom dancing. So is that fair? And I'm like, yeah, I do, I do. Because in the past, you've had professional ice skaters, and they've won, and you've had, like, boy band dancers.

that have then done it so I think it's fine you know what it's a personal vote too so then don't vote for her if you don't want her to win the two mom top girls are doing it

everyone's body gets so snatched you know and those girls just had babies so like this how great is that they're just going to get their body snatched dancing around and it's kind of fun because the one girl Jennifer Affleck

her husband got so upset that she went to like Magic Mike or Chippendales or whatever in Vegas in one of the storylines and I think they're doing something with that dance or something I don't know I like I said I'm not going to be totally watching it you guys um but that's what happening with dancing with the stars now um but it you know along with the hilarious baldwin yeah she'll have the baldinos the little you know kids in the um you know watching her and I don't know if that show's going to continue.

But talk about someone that made lemonade out of lemons. I mean, we really thought she was done. When everyone was like, I can't believe she tried to be a Spanish person all this time. Now she just doesn't really talk about it and just love Spanish stuff. And it's still around. And the husband needs her to make the money because he's old. And nobody wants him doing Westerns anymore. So there you go.

A lot of people talked about Jessica Simpson. Oh my God. What's her face? She's unrecognizable. What do you guys want? You know what I mean? She looked good. People get some shit done. It could be a tight pony. It could be a facelift. Who cares? She looked good. Good for her. Moriah Carey sang and got this award and was kind of like sassy about finally getting the award. And then people were reporting that she like did a fake hit of this dancer, which I guess is homage to an old. music video that she did, lots of sexy dances from the big stars, you know, and then Lady Gaga came out and she had to go right over to Madison Square Garden because she already had a concert set there. So her performance was pre-taped. And it's so theatrical and it's very red and satanic. I just think that's dramatic. I don't know. Some people could fight me on it. It's what she does.

She's got these weird hands and it's part of the song. And she's such a great, it's a great show. She's a great performer and she never, she never dials it in. So I'll give her that. Meanwhile, Britney Spears was just dancing in her house in a little lingerie dress. And it was sad. It was sad because there was a lot of references to the performances, whether it was Sabrina Carpenter or whatever, like people thinking it was great.

And then there'd be comments like, we, this is so much like Christina Aguilera and Britney Spears, who did it first, who did it better. Like, our millennial girls are better than these Gen Z's. I don't know. I mean, they're all very talented. The songs are great. They put on great performances. It seemed like, again, nobody dialed it in.

And, I mean, there was a time that one performance where Britney did really dial it in. But for the most part, she's always delivered. Well, now she is just doing her all at her home. and posting on Instagram and the fact that it appeared last night and it is my knowledge that appeared during the VMAs she might have not even known the VMAs was going on and she just felt like dancing I don't know it was just like but then again who cares you've done it all you don't have to get all dressed up to show you can you're still going to get a million people or more to watch this video of you dancing in your house.

So go dance in your foyer with your brown sensible pumps and fedora. Okay. You guys, this is some exciting Catholic news. As you know, I am Catholic, okay? And I've had a wonderful relationship with doing my Catholic education, my children, going to church, getting married in the church. all of it. We have a new saint that was announced yesterday. And it is a millennial. Yes. He this, it's St. Carlos Akitus. And he was a teenage boy. He, he would be, you know, a millennial today.

He only, I think he passed like, I think like 20 years ago. when he was only 15, and he was very religious, much more religious than his own mom. He got his mom to convert to Catholicism or to go back to the church into Catholicism. And he was a really amazing computer programmer and was like just had a real gift for computers. And this was 20 years ago. So this was, you know, the internet was not what was today. and he was just adamant in finishing this web project that involved all these miracles involving the Eucharist over time of history, and he wanted to get it out there. Then at 15, he contracted leukemia, and after that shortly died, and he has been canonized.

He is a actual saint, and his mother was there for, for it for the Pope and I mean I it I've never seen anything like this I never remember even really being aware in my lifetime of someone becoming a saint and for those of you that don't understand what saints are throughout history you know we we've had these saints and when you get uh oftentimes your middle name or your first name might be named after a saint and there's saints um that do different, that are who you might want to pray to. Now, other religions think the whole praying to a saint is like wrong. But in creating the saints, it's like there is a saint who you pray to named Anthony.

If you lose something or forget something and there's like a cute little prayer to it, there is St. Joseph who if you can't sell your house, you take a St. Joseph statue and you bury it in your property. and supposedly it'll sell as someone who was a realtor our whole life and my parents were Catholic. We never did that. So, I mean, there's that kind of like stuff like that that we have really participated in. But we would pray to St. Anthony if we couldn't find something, like a jewelry or something important. And so this, you know, and there, so I'm just explaining it simply as I can. very unique different thing and kind of a really exciting time for the church.

We have an American Pope. Now we have our first millennial saint and his good deed involved the Internet. So it was the first saint that did something amazing on the Internet for the Catholic Church. Very, very unique. Okay. This is a horrible nightmare story. And I talk about Amanda Knox with my sister, Shannon on tomorrow's episode of Juicy Crimes.

I hope you have subscribed. I hope that you have left a review, especially if you like it, and you've shared it with somebody. It's every Wednesday, Juicy Crimes, and tomorrow's episode is all about the story of Amanda Knox, who, by the way, little new thing happened over the weekend, she did stand up. Yes, Amanda Knox, the one-time accused murderer. She was a college student in Italy when her roommate was found dead and she was accused and convicted and all the nightmare that happened, which leads us to her special series on Hulu and her doing stand-up today, we discuss.

But she did do stand-up and it was a solid set. I saw a clip of it. I follow her. It was a solid set. I don't know if she'll continue doing it. I don't know if it was just, you know, someone helped her write her or she wrote it or if. or if she's really going to like pursue it for real but good for her my god i mean so we talk a lot my sister shannon the defense attorney shanna mcdon goldstein about how stories throughout my

life that have been about someone being locked up abroad are so terrifying to me there is a beautiful law student from the UK who has been sentenced to 25 years in due. by a Dubai prison, which is according to New York Post, horrible conditions, actual sexual assaults happen all the time on these women over a Coke bust. And she, they're trying to do a fun. They're trying to get her out. But she has been sentenced to 25 years in Dubai. Now, Amanda Knox was in Italy and that was horrific. But I would think a woman in Dubai, trying to get that done, supposedly the whole trial or whatever, the sentencing was like all in Arabic, which she doesn't speak. Again, don't do Coke. Don't hang out with people that do

Coke. Don't carry anything with somebody else. She was with a friend and the friend's boyfriend and somehow the Coke was found on her person and it was enough to be seen as possibly selling it. What a nightmare. So watch out. Oh, this is an interesting story. So Matthew McConaughey, who is always a delight, okay, and a happy dad and has been married to his wife for a long time. And he has a real good looking son named Levi. So Levi is starring in a movie on Apple called The Lost Bus, which is, I didn't know what this was about. But it is a scripted show about the true story of what happened during the Paradise fires in Northern California back in like 2018 that were just devastating, much like the

Palisades fire. I hope you guys are following Spencer Pratt. Okay. Anyway, there were these kids and they were on a bus and he plays the bus driver and then America Fierra plays the teacher. And it's like from their perspective of trying to get these kids out and safe in these horrific conditions while they're in the school bus, like without their parents and their whole town's being burned down. And so Matthew McConaughey said, I made sure that when the director looked at my son's audition tape, that he didn't know the last name. And he loved his acting ability and then said, oh, by the way, this is McConaughey's son. And the director said, even better, great, you know, but I would have hired him anyway. I don't know if that's true or not.

I don't really care. I've talked about Nepo baby acting. And I do believe that just like if you're come from a family of doctors, you're probably pretty good at science. And if you're hearing about, if your dad's a contract, you're probably more likely to be handy because it's in your blood, but also you're learning about tools and things to do. So I think that acting is the same thing. But of course, this job has, you know, real connections. But you probably are a good actor. You're good looking.

And so I, you know, this is a huge role for someone that hasn't really done much. so do I think would someone even get to the stage of having their audition tape be in there for a leading role of an Apple series if there wasn't a ton of credits behind this person unless they got to make sure that it got seen? So I think, yes, he probably does a great job in it. I don't think the guy knew that he was McConaughey's son, but being McConaughey's son got him to the place for the director. to see it. That's what I think about that. But he's a good looking guy. I like Matthew McConaughey. And the

movie sounds good. So we'll watch it. This was some depressing gross news. Last comic standing, this guy won, I think in like 2009, John Reap. Southern comic Red Hat 53. Arrested for Child Corn. Yes. You know what I mean. I have done. watch the words I say here um it appears like it's having materials on you know either he sent them or had him on his devices they were um those devices he was arrested he's out on bail he was supposed to perform a couple days ago in like north carolina i don't know if that happened um but that's what he's facing is some type of possession on you know,

um, making, you know, devices, computers, sending it through the internet, whatever. Real gross and real depressing.

Okay. Pamela Anderson, she won an award. She accepted her, uh, career achievement tribute at the, uh, Deuville American Film Festival.

And her speech was confusing. So there was an article out last week that TMZ was saying that upon good sources or whatever that the Pamela Anderson romance with Liam Neeson since they both starred in naked gun was a publicity stunt to get us to want to go see the movie and it's something that I had questioned if it was real or not it was fun to think oh my god here are two people they're in a movie together they're age appropriate he's a widow her remember his beautiful wife didn't wear a helmet and hit her head while skiing down the bunny slope with her two boys and then made the mistake of not going to

the hospital because she didn't want to ruin the boys ski trip she passed he I don't know that he's been with anyone that significant sense her. So she has two boys, Brandon and Dylan, and then he has two boys. So they're all at the premiere together with their like 20-something sons. So it looked great. But then there was talk of this.

And she basically says, she didn't say this, not a publicity tub, but she kind of like dances around it and said, I would never play games with my love life. I love with my heart. And now, here's the tricky part. Even when she was on Watch What Happens Live. Andy, like, asked her about it or asked him about it. And I can't remember if Liam was on too. And he goes, I know you can't answer, but we love it. And it's like, so she never said, yes, we're in love. Yes, we're dating. She let the publicity happen. She didn't

deny it. She didn't go on juicy scoop and say, no, Heather. We're not dating. So then she does a speech saying, I would never do that. So I don't know. I still don't know. Are they dating or not? I feel like, was he your date on the carpet for this? I think she kind of allowed it to happen. And now she's like, I don't want to be known for someone that does that. That's what I think. Tim's new scrambled egg loaded croissant Or is it croissant No matter how you say it Start your day with freshly cracked scrambled eggs

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carrying a child into a car like a car seat. Again, he didn't say, yes, we've adopted a child or we don't have a child or this is just a friend's child that they were babysitting. I mean, they are, they were teachers or are teachers. So obviously they would probably be great caring for a child. I mean, it takes a village or two moms or whatever you want to call it. Anyway, I mean, you know, you'd be a very involved aunt, is all I'm saying, if it was one of the girl's child. I mean, if they get a child, I think they both got to be, I mean, how do you just

decide that one is the mom and one isn't? And I mean, obviously, I don't think they could carry a child. I don't know. But, you know, some ants overstepped their boundaries. I mean, how can you not? Okay. But I don't know if they have a kid or not, but that's just an interesting concept if they do. Okay. A little update. Kelly Wolfe, who we've been watching her have a very difficult time with her divorce from Scott Wolfe, who by the way is first cousins with my friend Josh Wolf. And, you know, they had a marriage for a long time. They have three kids. She was posting a lot about him being abusive and all this other stuff. And from what she was sharing, it really looked like she was the one that was at least verbally abusive and spiraling for some

reason. She has entered a rehab. After an arrest and the messy split, her children then, I think her oldest son had to post something defending his dad. And so Billy Bush of all people, that's because he was mentioned so much on my first episode of Juicy Crimes. was good friends with both of them and, you know, was trying to say she's a good mother. She just needs help. So hopefully she'll get help and be able to, you know, continue being a very active parent. But I think it's great that she's in the rehab because it was very difficult to watch those things. There were rumors, rumors about Chris Jenner and her new face breaking up with her long-term. term boyfriend, Corey, and people said, oh, we saw them argue at this, at part of the Lauren

Sanchez wedding and according to TMZ, it's an exclusive. Chris Jenner and Corey Gamble, stronger than ever, find split rumors laughable. So they are doing just fine. They've been together for a long time. They do seem to have something good going on. And it's never looked better. And that's it. They just, you know, it's working for them. But they've been together like at least 10 years. So there you go.

Do you remember the publisher's clearinghouse? If you're around my age, you'd remember there was always these commercials about like publishers clearinghouse. And they would just come with like a big check. And you're like, what is that? Well, several publisher clearinghouse winners claim they are no longer receiving their promise lifetime payouts. And it's having a devastating effect of their lives because the company declared bankruptcy in April. And now there's an investigation going on that found at least 10 past winners who had been receiving annual payments never received their yearly check in the last few years of like $250,000. that is why you guys when you win the lotto you just get the lump sum always get the lump sum

if you shop at Nordstrom like I do and I buy something and they go you have a couple notes available you know $40 worth of these Nordstrom's notes would you like to use them now or save them for late no you use them then I may never go back to Nordstrom Nordstrom's may close their door you use them then you get all your money now because of shit like this people and things go bankrupt there is no guarantee so that's your lesson of the day um this woman is in a lot of trouble she is a dog mom and she is facing felony charges now just relax i know you're like oh my god hether but do not tell me that this woman abused her dog and that's the felony no elevated her dog because she

registered her dog Maya as a human and was able to cast two votes in when voting in elections. We don't know who she voted for Maya.

I hope that Maya is safe in that if she didn't vote for the person that you believe in, that you won't come after her and Cyra bully her and call her, you know, something that Ryan with her name, I just hope that she, this dog

can just like go to the dog park and stick with her mom and I don't think it's okay. I think that she should be prosecuted, but the dog was innocent. We don't know how the dog feels about things. So if this gets found out, which it will in the trial

of who Maya voted for, Um, just know, just remind yourself that she is just a dog. And you don't need to go up to her at the dog park and yell at her and tell her how she's ruining America. Okay. Speaking of making America, you guys, I will be in Las Vegas, November 14th at, um, the MGM grand, a beautiful room, the David Copperfield Theater. And it will be a fabulous show. show. It's 10 o'clock on November 14th. Yes, that's BravoConn weekend. Luckily, many of you have already bought your tickets. So there is a low ticket alert on this now. Get your tickets. 10 o'clock Friday. This is going to be, we have nothing to lose. We are saving juice, hilarious bits, funny. This is stand of conversation. The whole thing. It's musical. There's some musicals in it. I've got Brandy and Julie along with surprises along the way. This will be the

third year I've done it, being the third bravo con, no, fourth bravo con I did in the last in New York and Vegas before. The show is always great. And so you got to get your tickets. You go to Heather MacDonald.com. Okay. Speaking of what housewives. Now let's get into the Bravo stuff. First I just wanted, and then I'm going into OC. But first I just want to, but first I just want to say, I've been watching Real Housewives of Miami. And it's pretty entertaining. Now, I've heard, you know, different things I had Stephanie on. I liked talking to her. There's talk about, you know, what her financial status might be, if she'll come back, all of that. She's doing her thing. But on the last episode, it's Marisol, who invites everybody on

the Virgin cruise line, because she's great friends with the owner. And she gets to stay in the Rockstar suite, which by the way, I stayed in that suite. I just am saying when we did a juicy scoop cruise many years ago where we just hung out with juicy scoopers. And it was this like couple day cruise, I think it was like three or four days, maybe it was three days, where you just go and then you go to his island, Richard Branson's island for the day. It's like a beach day. But the rest of the time, you're just like sailing. And so it was fun to see the room. And it was pretty spectacular. We had like our own deck and our own jacuzzi. So it was kind of fun to watch these girls like brag about it. And it's really juicy. As far as the show goes,

I really, I like, I love the backdrop of Miami. I think it's fun to watch. I really like their fashions. I feel like their fights and stuff are real and the relationships are real. And it's very, it's very likable. So one thing that's going on with Julia that I think is juicy, Julia is a former model who has two adult daughters and she's married to Martina, the famous tennis player, who is 68 and much older. The last couple seasons, she said she wanted to be a mom again. because her kids were getting older. She successfully adopted with Martina two brothers that are like one and a half and three. And she has revealed that her older daughters are not cool with it and haven't come around.

And I don't know where they stand now because this was always filmed a while ago. She did say one, she had a conversation with one and they said, I love you or she said I love you. However, you know, that's kind of an interesting speculation, too, about her. Like, why are the daughters mad about it? Do they think that maybe, you know, she was busy when they were growing up? But supposedly they went to boarding school and maybe they have some resentment. And now she's like going to be this stay-at-home mom later in life. Is it about inheritance of some sort?

Because Martina's not their mom, but now Martina's the mom of these boys. so maybe they are going to get more money because I assume the majority of Julia's money comes from Martina's wealth as a famous tennis player. I don't know, that's all juicy. Then we had Lisa on my show with her boyfriend Jody

about her app about divorce. She gets officially divorced in this, which nobody was nice to her about. Like she was at a dinner and she had to notarize something in the middle of this divorce with this awful man who talked shit about her

and about his mistress on audio while we were like that's how we felt that's how she found out she actually watched you know the episode happened and was happening in real life and then she had to watch it back of him saying while he was miced up

that you know he feels bad that he is cheating on his mistress with his wife even hanging out there I mean it's if you haven't listened to that episode with Lisa and you are watching housewives. I say you go back a couple months and listen to Lisa on Juicy Scoop. She finally gets divorced from him.

And Larsa is just not nice to her at all. And instead, they want to give Alexia a great party because she's with her guy and they're Todd and he broke up with her and is getting divorced from her. But she still loves him. Todd then goes on and does like a 10 minute video on social media a couple weeks ago and says how, you know, he doesn't like being a house husband on this show that the cast members disparage him and say he has no money when in fact he bought a $26 million building and he didn't want to do the show and he basically had a side between his wife and being on the show or not being on the show and losing his wife because that's what his wife cares about, which is like. a rude thing to say about Alexia. He threatens a law suing Bravo.

I don't know if that's happened or if this is simmered down. But all these things make for a pretty juicy TV show. There was, people are talking about if Howard Stern is going to be coming back or not. And there was like a prank today that was done where Andy Cohen was in the Howard Stern studio saying, well, now you know, you're going to love Howard Stern. in radio instead of Howard Stern and I was like, what? I started read the comments and Beth Stern is like, does it a laughing face, so I keep reading.

He, it was just some prank. So I don't know. I guess he's still on serious. Good for you, Howard Stern. But, you know, when we talk about the shit that went on on TV 15 years ago, 10, 15 years ago, Howard Stern had a show

on TV with Robin quivers his right-hand girl and some of the other players that were his regulars called but a face and girls would come out with a bag over their head in a hot bikini and they have a great body and the expression the first time I heard it I was in colleges she's a but a face meaning she's got a great body but her face is not great so this clip starts to go viral of this one girl, body comes out, looking great, they pull off. And I think she's beautiful. Like, I'm like, this girl has a great face. Like, what? And they're all being like, looks like it ran

over, it was run over by a train track or something. Like, there are these people, none of them attractive ripping on her as she has to stand there and be like, I'm like, first of all, how did you agree to come on the show, what producer got in your head that this was a good idea, your, you know, your vulnerable self, how much were you paid to do this? And then to have these unattractive people who have faces for radio, okay, who then got to be on TV, are ripping on your looks. And this video that I found then shows the woman today, and she's even more beautiful and someone put it all together

and it was we deserve better then we deserve better now I mean but Howard Stern is still here and things happen that are insane that are on our TVs if we just go back 15 years so now let me get back into the real house of a sea put it at the end of the show just in case

you're over it you don't care but some juicy shit happened over the weekend. I'm going to try to explain this as simply as I can, but not to make anybody that's up on it bored. Real House of O.C. started 19 years ago. And Tamara Judge, the most famous one, you know, that we talk about the most, she joined season three. Gretchen Rossi joined season four. In season four, her first season. season. She is invited over to Tamara's house to have an etiquette dinner where they're going to have a chef come and Tamara's going to got a lesson about how to use her forks and knives. And Tamara is very curious about Gretchen's situation because she's a very attractive young girl and she's engaged to a rich older man who unfortunately has like a very progressed cancer. So he's in the hospital all the time. she invites her over for dinner and we're watching this with the other housewives and their husbands by the way nobody is with their person anymore except for grudgeon and slay the next season she gets with slate after her fiance dies but everybody is divorced vicky um vicky had a husband she's divorced from don lynn is divorced from her husband now lyn curtain um tamarin simon wait who else was there

Gina, Gina got, gets divorced too. I mean, everybody is with their Alexis Bellino and her husband. None of them are with their spouse, but we're watching it. Anyway, she comes as a single girl to the dinner and we see Ryan. She goes, Ryan is my 22-year-old son and he took bartending class. He's going to help. And she says, we're going to get Grutchin naked wasted. We want her to do something stupid so that, basically,

Basically, we can prove that she's really not interested in this older rich man and she, you know, isn't this person that she pretends to be. Well, she does get really drunk, probably because she has been at the hospital all the time and is ready to have some fun and is her first season on TV and isn't really thinking about it. I should probably slow it on the drinks. And as a scene, which you can watch on Peacock, it's really shocking that this was even on. And I have questioned, like, why didn't Bravo remove it when they put everything on Peacock? But then I guess if you're going to do that for one thing, then you'd have to do it for everything. And these people have signed their life away. They, you know, they're never going to protect the reality stars.

They get paid very little. They do it because they want to be famous and hope that it leads to other opportunities and money. And, you know, that's what happens. so he's hitting on her and one of the things he does that is crazy is he does the shocker sign which appears like he's doing it to his mom like they have a plan going between Ryan and Tamara and people that don't know what the shocker sign is um it's two in the pink one in the stink so it's two fingers and it's like this this weekend I had a little girls weekend and my sorority, one of my, no, she wasn't my name for sorority, but she was my

college friend. And my sister, Shannon, spent the night. And they were not aware of the shocker sign. I discovered the shocker side around that time when I was, you know, at Chelsea lately is when I heard of the two in the pink, one in the stink situation. And it's very, very obvious. And you'll see the photo that he's doing that, which is kind of hilarious since he's being filmed and he's you know but he's only been on the show his mom's only been on the show for one season this is her now second season and the reality show was such a different world then i mean they were on a show that was getting you know really good views but the only kind of press or they would do is maybe they maybe they'd get on like a daytime talk show here or there um and then they didn't even

really have reunions so there was not all all of this podcast, you know, Instagram, TikTok, people talking about it, reporting on it, writing good comments, writing mean comments. None of that was it. So they really were in like their little gated bubble of like filming this show. And I don't really think they were walking around like people recognizing them even that much because it was still like such a little niche thing. So they're doing this thing and they're all drinking and being themselves. And Ryan is extremely aggressive to Gretchen and really like touching her back and she's loopy and it's triggering to watch. To watch it back is shocking. And really the thing is, is she tries, she goes to the

bathroom and he follows into the bathroom and the mics are on and they just show like the outdoor of the bathroom and him trying to kiss her saying, can I have a kiss, can I have a kiss? And she keeps saying no. And she's trying to placate him. You're attractive. I'm attracted to. No. no, no. So that happened. I started watching the rest of the day the following episodes and the following season. Following season, there's some shit that went down between the two of them, which I don't know, between Gretchen and Tamara. But it really didn't have to do with naked waist. It had to do with, I don't know, a website or a blog or same kind of shitty things about each other. Tamara was saying, again, Gretchen, you had a boyfriend. She's like, that wasn't my

boyfriend that is there's a whole other like lawsuit story that involves this guy that is a big deal and confusing then she's on the show for a couple years and then she's not and now she's back and she meets Katie the new girl and before she's asked back on the show has dinner and somehow the conversation comes up and then Katie um she Katie says she said, I was so sick that night, I think I was drugged, and I went to the hospital next day. Gretchen was on the show. She denied ever saying that. She did not go to the hospital the next day.

She's never told that story to anybody that way. You know, did she get really wasted? Yeah. Was it weird? Yeah. Never, ever, ever. What's weird is now this story continues on and Katie then goes and supposedly tells this podcaster and, you know, content creator, Kiki Monique, that Gretchen said that she was drugged and had to go to the hospital. Kiki then asked a couple other reporters caught podcasters whatever had you ever heard this is this true it gets back to Tamara Tamara's like how dare you fucking say that or insinuate that she brings it up on camera and then Katie's like I never said that and Gretchen's like I believe her then they meet they meet with Kiki and Kiki goes yes she did say it she said it to me my friend and I met her for lunch she said it to me I'm like bring the other

friend out because then Katie now is going and doing interviews and saying, no, I never even talked about Gretchen to Kiki. So then I'm like, well, then how did Kiki hear the story? So she goes on one podcast and says that. And right after goes on another, which is Teddy's and Tamara's podcast. And in between, like within the day before, someone did. a Instagram

and this Instagram account called Face Reality 16 did a whole highlight reel of their theory that

because Gretchen and Sheena Shae from Vanderp in the Valley have been friends for so long and Kiki

is occasionally on Sheena's podcast that it was Gretchen who told Sheena who told Kiki and then

Kiki told all these people to somehow get Gretchen back on the show. It really makes no sense at all. So Katie, so then that, Teddy brings that up. Katie's like that. I heard that rumor too. Sheena Shea Shea is like, oh, fuck you. Two T's. I did not do that. And this is a story that no one has

ever heard Gretchen ever say in any whispers or any personal relationships, whatever. But, The fans that write in have really become Team Katie in this. They believe that the girls have ganged up on her. There is a lie detector test, which of course should not be taken seriously. It's on a reality show. The producers obviously set it up. They're going after Emily because it's at Emily's house and she goes, we're going to have a lie detector test.

Do you think Emily put this all together and actually paid for the lie detector people? No. she probably doesn't want to say it wasn't me because she doesn't want to piss off the producers but clearly the producers put this together to like, okay, you guys think Katie's liar let's all do a lie detector test. People are examining what we're seeing

on an edited show and they are like these girls ganged up on her, how do we know? And Katie's very comfortable saying no, now I never even talked to Kiki about it. Kiki's just a thirsty blogger that did this. She also says, Katie also says

my daughter had more followers and was a bigger influencer than and makes more money on brand deals than I before I even joined Real Housewives of O.C. Well, if she was that successful, then why was she babysitting Emily's kids? Why was she trying to get a job at a restaurant? Why was she like, I'm just saying, if you're that big of an influencer, why would you have to do that? Weird. There was just like a few weird things. the weirdest thing that she said, Katie says,

my sister-in-laws, Matt's sister, her husband, one is a professor, no, actually two are professors. And they just, they never watched Housewives before. They never watched Real Housewives of O.C. before. Well, they watch it now that I'm on it, but they never watched it. And they just happen to be walking in a park in Northern California. And they run into Slade's mom. okay hold on i've watched the shows at nauseam and i wouldn't be able to recognize slade's 84 year old mother

anywhere okay unless she was literally standing next to him and i would then assume maybe that's your mom so you're telling me these two girls that never watched the show happened to run into slade's mom at a park and i'm like is this some jessie small that shit what the fuck is this so then she said and they talked to Slade's mom and Slade's mom said my son's a narcissist and he's on his fourth housewife wait what I'm like so yeah Slade and Gretchen were on my show I'm like Slade is this true and are you like estranged from your mom or something, would she talk? Like, first, I think it's weird that they recognize her. Second, I think it's weird that a mom would say that about her son and that she'd use the word

narcissist about your own son. I mean, how are you guys super estranged? Like, I've been talked in 10 years. What? No, they're not as strange. They're fine. He asked her about it, and she's like, what is a narcissist? She's 84 years old. This is a word that's really popped up in the zeitgeist a lot in the last eight years, you know? I mean, I remember the first time I really heard it. And it was when Dr. Drew's book came out about narcissism and we were at Chelsea lately. So I could see why maybe she's not familiar with it. And then she said, fourth housewife, no, I never said that.

Like you were with Joe and now you're with Gretchen, you know, like who's the other two? He's like, forget it. So she then said it was a very strange situation. These two women came up to be out of nowhere. She always goes and does a, she has a routine there where she plays botchy. And they came up to her. And this all happened August 26th. They happened to find Slade's mom at this park, had this supposed conversation.

And she said these negative things about her own son. And then it was told by Katie on a podcast. I'm just saying, there's some weird shit going on. And basically that is what everyone's talking about. Who is the liar? And, you know, Gretchen said I misspoke and on camera when I said, I did go to the hospital. I was so sick. I meant to say I should have.

No, I didn't obviously do that. I spent the night at your house, Tamara. I don't know why. So this all came up. And now everybody's just talking about the semantics of whether someone lied about something that happened to them pretty horribly, which is on camera for the world to see. Do you imagine having your most drunken, like weird, predatory moment on camera for the rest of your life? And then you're getting accused of lying because you may or may not have said over dinner 17 years later, oh my God, it took me days to recover. I should

have gone to the hospital or I did go to the hospital or whatever. That is what this has all come down to. And now because Katie is Asian, she was born in Korea and adopted by a white family in Georgia, that people feel that they have attacked this girl who is a woman of color and they're being accused of that and they're accused of being ganged up. And the comments from the Bravo fans, the DMs that all the women are getting, including Kiki Monique, including Sheen, like it is honestly really awful it is really awful for everybody involved and as someone that's like loved the show and really watching the old episodes like they're all great on the show they all are entertaining you know like and we are talking about this season a lot so whether you say you like it or

you don't like it we're watching it however it's really it's really a bummer and i wouldn't know really how to fix it. All I could say is if I had a friend who was approached and wanted to do it, you know, wanted some fun in her life, maybe she, you know, has a fun personality, has a beautiful home to show off, is a little bored, would like to have a second chapter of things. And she was like, Heather, should I do the real housewives of whatever? This is the advice I would give her. You have to, without a doubt, hire a social media person. Because you have to have to have an Instagram. You have to build that social media platform.

Otherwise, the $70,000 you're going to get is not going to be worth your one Birken bag. So why would you do it unless you're going to build so that you can actually have a platform later that's kind of fun and that you can make some money off of or launch a clothing line or whatever? But if you read all this horrible shit by these awful people that choose to write it, whether half are bots and the other half are real. I think both are true. I do think housewives and stuff, you know, hire these companies like anyone can to go after each other and, you know, but then I also think there's crazed fans that just do it on their own and feel like, oh, my God, this person is my friend and I'm team this person

and I want this person off the show and they go in with a glass of wine and they just go off on it and it's like their little sick thing, somebody might watch porn, somebody might eat a pot. you know, ice cream and have a dark secret of like, this is like their weird little dark secret. But a lot of them aren't even anonymous. That's the thing. They're writing these horrible things about people's children and they're not even anonymous.

And I would say you have to do that because there is no I don't care how tough skin you are. I don't care if you're the toughest skin, which I would give Lisa Vaynerpump that and, you know, Chris Jenner. It affects you. It affects you. and here you do your job and you film the show

and then you can't really even you know proceed with your life by posting things on social media because the comments are so awful because people are thinking something is true about your character because of an edited reality show that you agreed to do

and you know but then you can't say someone's running your Instagram because then you're inauthentic and the whole way of getting brands is being authentic. So that would be my advice. And if I, if you are like just, that's what you need to do. That's what you need to do. And you just need to like have a phone that is Instagram that maybe you just follow like a couple like, you know, news articles or something that doesn't involve you or you literally just have your phone for like calling friends and the internet. And then your

social media person's like, here's five articles that are safe to read about you. And send me your photos and I'll post them and I'll edit them so that your teeth don't look totally different but a little bit straighter and like it's not a ridiculous thing and we'll just try to like go back to the old days where like Elizabeth Taylor just used to like sign a few headshots and see beautiful things about how great she was in the movie and not all the awful shit because I just think it's just out of hand and that I will end the show everybody go to heathermeddall.net patreon it's more juice than you'd ever imagine so many episodes all commercial free join my other tiers which are even more exclusive content of juicy crimes as well as get me behind gates and of course

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