Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald - Working for Britney, Sugar Baby Tips and The Worst Breakup with Scott Nathan

Episode Date: October 10, 2023

David Beckham’s former assistant (and possible mistress) responds to all the noise, while his daughter-in-law posts something weird. Is Kanye’s wife actually being silenced or does she have a grand plan? Who is Mauricio’s new female “friend”? Kyle and Morgan are Wayne’s World fans. Then, Scott Nathan joins me to discuss the state of the modeling industry and what’s changed. How much can plastic surgery improve your career and love life? Should AI replace child actors? Lisa Kudrow knew how to book the part. Britney Spears was always hard to work for. Cougars and cubs still make sense. To cap it all off, Scott shares safety tips and tricks of the trade for aspiring sugar babies, as well as his adoption journey and reconnection with his birth family. Enjoy! Shop Juicy Scoop Merch: juicyscoopshop.com Get extra juice on Patreon: patreon.com/juicyscoop FOLLOW ME: Instagram: instagram.com/heathermcdonald TikTok: tiktok.com/@heathermcdonald Twitter: twitter.com/HeatherMcDonald Check out Scott’s Book: “The Big Book of Bad Decisions” (https://baddecisionsbook.com/) Donate to Scott’s KICKSTARTER CAMPAIGN: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/baddecisions/the-big-book-of-bad-decisions FOLLOW SCOTT: TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@scottnathanphoto Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/scottnathanphoto Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/scottnathanphoto Twitter: https://twitter.com/scottnathan Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Heather McDonald has got the juices scoop. When you're on the road, when you're on the go. Juice is scoop is the show to know. She talks Hollywood tales. Her real life, Mr. St.Van Cereal Data and Cereal System You'll be addicted and addicted fast to the number one tab or real life hot cat. Listen in, Listen up.

And a McDonald. Juicy scoop. Hello and welcome to juicy scoop. Well, I have a real fun juicy one to get your mind off of everything that's going on in the world. So let's get into the stuff that doesn't really matter. First of all, I'm selling my merch. You guys have a juicy scoop tank on today,

and everything is at Heather McDonald dot net. And I got my juicy scoop slides. If you go to my Reels on Instagram, I did an unboxing, which was really fun. It was my first collab with Chanel. No, just kidding. They're much less expensive and they're juicy scoop and they're comfortable and fun. Anyway, everything is there that's also where you go to join my Patreon. And let's get into all the crazy fun stuff that's been happening. First of all, I was lucky enough to go to the USC game on Saturday with Peter, some friends of ours, invited us. We went to a fun tail gate and it was parents weekend. They played U of A. It's a very exciting game. And I was in a great seat with a friend of mine

that I knew from college and he has got a beautiful booth. And so we were there, not a booth, but like a box. It's anyway very nice. And so I see this today on page six that Will Ferrell was also there and they're, you know, it made page six and he was DJing his son's fraternity party which I guess you know his son did get in, mine did not, we see where Will Ferrell is, we see where Heather McDonald is when Drake is at ASU but whatever everyone is fine and I was just doing a little selfie of myself and then this happened and I got so excited. So there you go. So maybe one day, one day, maybe one day, I'll give the commencement speech like, well, maybe one day, I'll be announced at the school. In the meantime, we had a really fun time.

So it was a very nice, good, fun time for us. Okay. I want to do a little follow-up on the Victoria Beckham, David Beckham situation with their Netflix show, which a lot of people are really enjoying. And the fact that she brought up that there was these rumors, these tabloids rumors about this assistant that David had. And that was a really hard time in their marriage, but they don't ever really say it was anything more than rumors we don't know. And Sarah and I talked about like, well, maybe they don't want to confirm it or have it come up. Well, of course, in this day and age of internet world, they found the girl.

She is 46. She is a yoga instructor owns her own yoga place. And people found her. I mean, most people have an Instagram, most people, if they have any kind of business, make it public. And she was getting a bunch of hate and comments. And she commented like, thank you, thank you for the support. Like I'm good. I'm fine. And that is exactly what I thought. Like of course, it's going to come up.

Of course, people are going to take it upon themselves to either reach out to her in a really negative way or write something under her yoga pose or whatever. But also what was weird is their daughter-in-law, Nicola, who's married to Brooklyn. And Nicola and Victoria has supposedly had some issues in their mother-in-law daughter-in-law relationship. And she posted, and she's like a really wealthy, she comes from a lot of money too. And they're a young couple. They got married like early 20s and then's like a really wealthy, she comes from a lot of money too, and they're a young couple, they got married like early 20s,

and then been married a couple times. So she posted a slideshow on her Instagram and congratulating her father-in-law for this documentary on Netflix, but people really thought the posting was strange. So the photo she chooses to do is her in this red leather dress and her husband, his son grabbing her like his hand is on her ass cheek under the skirt. He kind of looks a little drunk. That's the first slide show. Then there's another one of her just being like sexy and the

boyfriend, I mean, the husband in the back. And not till the fourth slide, do we see David Beckham on a red carpet? So, you know, but she's like, congrats, Tadiadla, very weird. Also, Kanye West. So he's got this wife. We now I'm hearing that they are for sure married Bianca. He makes her wear all these weird clothes. I've talked about it. I've worried about her family. It's also been come out now that she comes. She is the daughter of this like notorious crime boss allegedly from Australia. So that's interesting. But now the stories are coming out that he instructs his wife Bianca Kanye to never speak and has given her a list of rules to live by.

What she has to eat, what she wears, and that some believe that Kanye is trying to mold Bianca into a radicalized version of his ex-wife, Kim Kardashian. But here's the thing. Like I said, I really hope this isn't a girl that is completely isolated from her family and in some weird cult-like marriage, you know. And I really hope that she really is this crime boss daughter type and is really smart and is like, uh, I'm wifey, okay? I'm the wife and I have power of attorney and

when anything happens with Kanye, I'll be able to be the one that'll be his next of kin or not that we want that to happen. But if she needs to be like power of attorney and do anything with him acting strange, maybe she's just going along with it. Here's a theory, going along with it and just playing like the Daw Sile dumb wife who is in this like strange partnership and all her friends are worried and she's like, does you don't worry, I'm gonna get a lot more than a my own pantyhose line that I can pull up to my nipples. I'm going to get a lot more than that and I know exactly what I'm doing because I learned from the best, my dad. I don't know, I hope it's that, not that she wants to hurt anybody, but I hope it's not that she's trapped

and being completely brainwashed, wearing these awful outfits. Also, on Real House, I've got Potomac, there is this girl Mia. She was overly honest about the fact that she married this older guy. She was a stripper, and she says in the trailer,

maybe I married a per money, well now they're getting divorced, and he, his name's Gordon, he's in his early 70s, has come out, and done an interview just spilling the juicy scoop. And he said, I told her, at a certain point in her marriage, they've been together like 11 years,

and they have two kids. He said, at a certain point, I'm not gonna be able to like satisfy you sexually anymore. And if you wanna go sleep with somebody else, that's fine. Don't bring them home, don't bring them around our kids, be discreet about it, don't embarrass me. He then found out that while they're kind of living

this situation that he saw her phone, and there were sexy texts on it, she's talking to them, and he feels like the kids are somewhat, I don't know, being hurt by it. And so they are getting divorced and he's like, I just want to co-parent with her, but she has no use for me anymore because I don't have access to all my funds.

He owned all these joint chiropractic places like this franchise for chiropractors with his brother and something happened where this partnership ended. So he does not have the money that he had where she had just unlimited funds to spend. And we all know housewives don't really make that much money. And he believes this new guy that she's texting with and having an affair with has a lot of money. So it's all out on the table, but it should make for a good season when that comes out.

Meanwhile, Mauricio. So he's on dancing with the stars. And I thought, oh my God, is he going to end up dating his instructor? Because that always happens. Well, he went out to dinner with his parents with this woman who is not her name's Leslie Bega. And she's very pretty. And she looks to be, I don't know, you never can tell how old people are, but she looks like she's like maybe like 40 people do dove into her Instagram. And she can do the splits just like Kyle. And it is kind of

interesting that supposedly Kyle was asked to do dancing with the stars and turned it down. They supposedly wanted her and Morgan and Marisa and she turned it down and was like you do it Marisa, but I mean she is the girl that can do the splits. Well, so can this girl and this girl is not only an actress who can do the splits but she's also a realtor and she works at his agency. So most likely she will be featured on the new season of buying Beverly Hills, which is his reality show about his real estate firm with his daughters and these other people working there. So they got to dinner and his mother posts a couple times thanking her for driving her home and having such a lovely evening. Some people feel like that's insensitive since, you know,

Mauricio has been married to Kyle for like 27 years, but it doesn't seem like I don't even know. I hope that Mauricio and Kyle are like incahoods and planning this so that Heather McDonald's just scoop talks about them. Because then Kyle over the weekend goes and picks up Morgan Wade. I'm gonna do it. Some people love it. Some people hate it. I'm going to make you love me. I'm going to make you love me. I didn't think picking me up from LA at sort of Friday would make anybody love me, but she did it. She came all the way from Beverly Hills. Never heard of Beverly Hills. Never knew what a reality show was. But here this

pretty lady Kyle came to pick me up. So of course the the paparazzi sees the photos and let's face it, you guys, if you don't want to be seeing picking some money up at the airport because you don't want the publicity, it's very easy to have your assistant go, maybe even have somebody else drive and you sit in the back seat and greet them in a big black and window SUV. No. So they have all the photos of her picking her up. And then the next day they're hanging out and they look very together as a couple. And Kyle is wearing ripped jeans like Morgan and Trucker hats. And this is not my joke,

but somebody put it side by side with Wayne's World. Wayne's world, and they are both Kyle and her and Morgan are dressed just like the stars of Wayne, Wayne's world, and it's hilarious. So that, so that all happened this weekend. So that was kind of, and then also Gigi Hadid was on a date with Bradley Cooper allegedly and it looks like that. There's paparazzi photos, kind of an interesting pairing. She was dating Leonardo de Caprio. He was, we didn't know if Bradley was getting back with his former wife and

mother of his child. So, and then she went, the Aurenka, whatever her name is, she went back to Tom Brady. Who knows, but they went on a date. I think it's juicy. I like it. All right, you guys. Now I'm really excited for you to listen to this interview. It is with ReturnGas.nathan. Let me tell you what we get into because it is juicy. We talk about more tips for sugar babies. We talk about how modeling has changed. We talk about an amazing story of his, finding his adoptive family, which is so juicy and

unexpected. So get ready for a juicy fun one, enjoy. Hi, juicy skippers. Thanks for watching me on my YouTube channel. Please subscribe to the channel and please hit that notification bell so you don't miss any of my episodes and juicy funny videos that I post here. Thank you. I have one of the guys that just tells the juicy a scoop ever and you guys have really enjoyed them and you've been begging for this ginger to return. Ginger pack?

Yes, I have another ginger, Bradwala, but you are my ginger, my newer ginger, named Scott Nathan photographer, commercial actor, model in the music industry and really gatekeeper of the Juicy Stories that now you are not gatekeeping anymore and you're sharing with us. No, we have 57 Juicy Stories coming out soon on the big book of ad decision, which I'm hoping to draw October 10th.

Yes, well first I wanna just go, I posted something about this recently on your TikTok. Heather. And it is, I remember the show is on the CW. It's a CW still around. I have no idea. Okay.

Anyway, never saw the show. And you were on the poster, but you were in the movie in the TV show. It's called Beauty and the Geek, produced by Ashton Kutcher. Wait, it was a movie. No, it was a TV show. It was a series. And it was the third season. This was season three. Yeah. Wait, it was a movie. No, it was a TV show, it was a series. And it was the third season? This was season three, yeah.

They had three seasons of this, and then you're on the poster, like looking like a typical nerd with the, like I, I never, I don't think I've ever seen a guy with glasses where they have masking tape on it. I think it might have been a band-aid, but I know. A band-aid. A mismatch made in heaven.

Okay, I'm kind of remembering this show. It was like a dating show where really pretty girls are like, these douchey guys have done nothing for us. So now we're gonna go for the Knife's turn. The nerds, yeah. So tell us how you got this. I never saw the show was produced by Ashen Kutcher. Okay.

Okay, so in modeling and acting, the dream is the direct booking. You know, you've done commercials I have, you have to go there, then you have to go to what call back and then sometimes a second call back and then a fitting. This one was like my agent call page, she's like, honey, I got a direct booking for you and I'm like, oh, that's the dream. What is it? And she's like, and it's still, it'll be fast.

And I'm like, what is it? And she's like, how's for this TV show? So I show up there and they've got plastic pocket protectors and glasses held together with band-aids and all these nerdy outfits. There's another one that I didn't find for you. It's called Trendy versus Trecky and it has like a hot girl and a little black dress. And I'm standing in their pigeon toad with like new balance sneakers and polyester pants that are, you know, halfway at my life. Just looking as geeky as possible. As geeky as possible. And I'm lying here with this hot bikini girl.

And I did it. And I was just another job. Like I did it. I promptly forgot about it. And then cut to, I'm at the Lakers game. The Davis factor. And we took, we went up to the balcony of the Staples Center to just like take a little break

and smoke whatever. And I'm facing, I got my back to the city and he's facing out and he goes, ah, and I go, what's wrong with you? And he goes, turn around and the entire side of the hotel figure out was that picture. And then we leave the building and it's on every bus and every bus stop and it's on the 101 freeway

and it's on by Warner Bros on the billboards and this thing was omnipresent. I was trying to deny it, but it's pretty hard to deny. People are like, is that you want beauty in the geek and I'm like, no, it's not me. So how much did you get paid? Do you recall? I don't remember.

I want to say maybe a couple of grand. And what was the show a hit? It was the third season. So it must have done okay. Was this the third and final season, do you know? I don't know if that's the slightest idea. I definitely, I just kind of remember what I saw this. I was like, okay, I do remember this.

Kind of one of those weird memories where you're like, I don't know if I saw it. I don't know if I saw it on the billboard or whatever. So how long was it out and about haunting your days as you went and got coffee? Months, months. And like my family saw it. Kids, I went to high school saw it.

And they're like, stop trying to deny it to you. That's you. We know that's you. And I'm like, fine, it's me. And they're like, how did you get on the show? I'm like, I've never seen the show. And they're like, why didn't they use someone from the show? And I'm like, I don't know.

I'm not in the TV business. I don't know why they used me. But that is kind of interesting. Yeah, they didn't use someone from the show. But I can see that, you know, maybe there wasn't someone that had that perfect geek factor Where you have a red head everything about it. It's perfect I just what they did with my hair. It was a girl laying next year. We did it by yourself No, she was lying next to me. She was a nice girl. I can't tell you. I think was her name

And she's just like this she was I think she came from body parts. Do you know that agency? No, but explain to the people. So folks at home, if you can't afford a real model and you want, say, beautiful hands to display a watch or a manicure. I move a little forward, more forward. Or, or beautiful feet or great legs or a great butt. There's this place. There's two agencies. I can't remember what the other ones call, but there's one called body parts models and the guy who owns it's a real pisser. I called them and I said, do you have an agency motto? And he says, yes, bodies to die for, faces to protect them. Which is amazing.

I dated a guy who was a very good looking guy and he was a normal model. But he was also just getting into hand modeling. So he was very self-conscious about doing anything with even though he was athletic and stuff, it was like, no, I have to check these hands. You feel like sunscreen and go, yeah. I have to sense, you know what I mean? He was like a surfer, he was like a really cute guy.

But he was like the hand modeling thing is like a whole extra side gig. Yeah. And that can do really well, you know, with like holding a product. I use them for movie posters because the thing is you're not when you're doing a movie poster shoot You're not getting an actor for a 10-hour day So what we would do is we'd get all these girls from body parts models and even from model mayhem

Put them in all the poses experiment with them all day and they were practically free There were a couple hundred bucks for a 10-hour day and then we would Photoshop the movie stars heads on them afterward Yeah, well, I know that Pretty would Photoshop the movie stars heads on them afterward. Yeah, well, I know that pretty woman when the movie came out, there was this before the movie came out, this person that I knew had the poster in their room. And I go, what's that about, you know, and it was Julia Robertson, you know, Richard Garrett. And they're like, no, don't you know whatever the girl's page or whatever. She's a DG. She's the body model.

She was the body model for Julia Roberts. And I go, really? And then I was so conscious of like the parts in the movie where she puts her back up against the Ferrari. And he's like, all right, come on, help me drive the car. And I'm like, yeah, that's too tiny of a waste, too perfect of a butt, even though Julia Roberts has, you know, a fantastic figure. It's awkward being in a casting room

because like, there are norms, there are conventions. So like, when a model comes in, even if she's got like a very sexy outfit on, I'm looking at the, in the eye and I'm talking to them and then I look at their book. But these girls come into castings. I remember I did a gig for sketchers and we needed legs and butt models.

So you open up their portfolios and they're all pictures of their ass and they're like, do I need to walk for you? And I'm like, sure, you feel weird just staring at someone's butt. You're like, that's a good butt. That one's a little higher, that one's a little rounder. And it's a funny business,

but something for everyone. Okay, well, I'm gonna say something right now that I'm looking at this. That's not a great hand with a short selfie thing. That is not a great hand, no manicure. I just switched to another photo and it's just of Scott's face, but it's a girl's obviously a girl hand because it has a red nail, but it actually looks kind of manly

and it almost looks like there's like a little hair. You're not going to go. I think there's a little hair on that. And it's like the cuticle's not painted. And it's kind of stumpy. That's so interesting. I guess the CW didn't want to kick down for the hand model. But it was one of the two other models

that I worked with that day. Oh my gosh, so funny. This message is brought to you by ColoGuard. ColoGuard is a one of a kind way to screen for colon cancer if you are 45 or older and an average risk for colon cancer. It's uniquely effective because it is the only FDA approved non-invasive screening tests that looks for both altered DNA and blood in your stool.

And Colorguard is delivered straight to your door. In addition to the convenience and ease of use, it's also affordable. Most intro patients pay $0. Yes, you heard that right. Now I get it. Talking about screenings isn't the most glamorous topic, but it is crucial.

Trust me, taking care of your health is essential and Colorguard makes it accessible and effective. Let's stand on top of our health game ladies and gentlemen and keep that colon cancer screening in check. So if you're 45 or older and at average risk, ask your health care provider about screening for colon cancer with cologuard. Cologuard is available by prescription only.

You could also request a cologuard prescription today at cologuard.com slash juicy scoop. Do not use cologuard if you have had adenomas, have inflammatory bowel disease, and certain hereditary syndromes or personal or family history of colorectal cancer. Pulse positive and negative results may occur. Any positive result should be followed by a colonoscopy, not a replacement for colonoscopy in high risk patients. This is After Dark, myths,, Misdeeds and the Paranormal. The podcast that takes you to the shadiest corners of the past,

unpicking history's spookiest, strangest, and most sinister stories. I'm Maddie Pelling, and I'm Antony Delaney. Join us every Monday and Thursday, and we'll take a look at the darker side of history from haunted pubs to Houdini, to witch trials, and arsenic-laced breakfasts. Follow After Dark, Myths, Miseeds, and the Paranormal, wherever you get your podcasts.

Brought to you by History Hit. when no one else is. Well, maybe they are, but who cares? Our sale is better. And it's on right now, no waiting necessary. You have the latest phone. Now take advantage of a great price on a 5G subscription phone plan. It's the perfect deal for anyone who could use some savings right now. Subscribe today at publicmobile.ca. Different is calling.

Pff, pff, pff. Yes, okay, so let's talk a little bit. I'm going to go just to your book. This is a book of bad decisions. The big book of bad decisions. The big book of bad decisions. And you can pre-order it, buy it, what's going on right now. By the time of the errors, there will be a Kickstarter campaign. And I don't have the URL for it, but if you go to baddecisionsbook.com, and there's a QR code, you can sign up for the mailing list, and I will just hit you the second it drops. Okay, awesome. Okay, so now let's get into our want to talk a little bit about what you're talking about models.

I'm just going to go back to this one. Okay. So we can't hold on. We're talking about models. And you did a TikTok, and I was like, OK, I want to discuss more. Because you did all these huge modeling campaigns, in the last 25 years or whatever, explain to me what you were saying on your TikTok

about how much the industry has changed. And you can be honest honest and this might be. Some people may not like it, but I think it's interesting. Go ahead. I'm in the leaded fly. And I'm unapologetic. Go ahead. I believe in inclusive people.

Yeah, I believe in inclusion. I did one of the most well-known campaigns of inclusion of different body types, my NIA campaign. And I believe that there is a place for it. But I don't believe, if everyone's a model, Heather, no one's a model. Like, I'm not down with it. I believe that there should be gatekeepers to a degree.

Like, I wanted to play for the Lakers when I was a kid. Didn't work out, where it goes. You know what I mean? It's just like, I don't think if the influencer models of today are the best we can do, I am unimpressed. And you know, I'm sorry. Like the supermodels of the 80s and 90s are not what today is.

And I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna flame anybody by naming names, but we all know who we're talking about. And it's unfortunate because castings are done by follower count, not by skill, not by natural beauty. Me mean by the influence or having 10 million followers, she gets the campaign. Yeah. Versus back in the day where you could be, you know, not have any followers, be just a pretty girl that really wants to model, get in with the agent, do your stuff, show up on time and be stunning. Yeah, or plucked from obscurity like Kate Moss.

Right. And it's the same thing holds true with photographers. The photographers that are booking the most gigs are the people who shoot the most pornographic images in their Instagram. They get the big followers and then they don't know what they're doing. And then there's also models who are now photographers. Like I know a pretty big model that I worked with once before, who then she said, I'm going to be a photographer. So I ran into her at the lab on Wilshire Boulevard one day and she goes, Oh, I just shot a Levi's Cam and Anna Raybatten Cam.

And do you want to see my film? And I was like, yeah, sure. And she did not know what she was doing. And I was looking at the at the at the contact sheets on the table. And she didn't know that you could move the autofocus point on the screen. So she had the default autofocus point, which was the center of the frame. So there's all these denim shirts for Levi's and the focus is on the button in the middle of the shirt and all of the faces were autofocus. And I said, you know, you can move the autofocus point or you can just point at the face and then recompose and take the picture. And she goes, you know what? I didn't

ask for your fucking help. Oh, God. And I said, well, you did kind of, can you know what? And you know what? To these businesses, I don't feel sorry for you at all. You got what you deserved. You hired a model to do a photo shoot and you got burned and shoots are expensive, but you know what's really expensive? Re-shoots. So, uh, Well, you know, I, we were saying like, you know, I think it's kind of interesting when sometimes I see I'm walking through Target and I'm in the beauty section. And you know, there's a big photo of a girl and it's up close because we're in the skin aisle.

And I'm like, this girl doesn't even have good skin. No. I'm like, is this a new thing like to show the pores and the facial hair that they didn't even like exfoliate with the little... Well, a lot of brands are doing that we don't retouch thing. And it's like, I'm not a ham-fisted retoucher. I've never done that much of it.

But I also try to get it in camera. When you're selling skin care. I only want to see girls with perfect skin. If I'm selling hair, I only want to see girls with epic hair. There are job as photographers and as models is to sell soap and by soap, that's just an X4, whatever it is that we're selling. When I shot the US Marine Corps campaign, I didn't get an out of shape guy with the fat stomach. I would never hire me to shoot a Marines campaign. I chose the guys with the best body. We are there to sell consumer products. We're there to sell faces or makeup canvases, clothes are

clothing hangers. The reason that models were always 5, 9 to 5, 11 because that's what the drawings look like. That's the way dresses look the best. It's not personal. I love you all. As a man, I'm generally grateful for whatever's next to me. But as a photographer, I want perfection. Because I can't make a great photo with someone who isn't photogenic, doesn't have experience, has never practiced it, and just doesn't have the chops.

Just like you wouldn't watch a donkey race in the Kentucky Derby. Nobody wants to see that, sorry. I know, it's like, I have joked where I'm like, gosh, you know, why can't, you know, why is it wrong that a pretty girl does get jobs for pretty girls? You know, she's pretty.

That's one of her gifts. Maybe she, maybe she's also really smart, but maybe she isn't smart enough to be an astronaut. Okay. Yeah. So let her have the job or let her be the person that gets hired to be whatever the model in the movie or whatever. Which is an arrow job. Anyway, like if you look at the in the best of circumstances, a model and there are exceptions, but a model is like a pro athlete. If you're lucky, and I mean, really lucky, you'll have a three athlete. If you're lucky and I'm really lucky, you'll have a three to five year career

and then you have to do something else anyway. Yeah. You know, we all have our windows. We all like to think we're age and like first growth board dough, but we're not. Now, you did another one I thought that was interesting about, girls you knew that went for the breast augmentation. Okay, tell me about that and your opinion on that.

So this is just, there's no peer reviewed scientific studies on this, but I've been around. I'm not infinitely wise, but I am infinitely experienced. Anything you've done, I have probably already overdone people. So I have just, and this isn't just models, this isn't just adult performers. I know people in the state department.

I know people on the news. Everyone I know, almost without exception, who got breast augmentations, either upgraded their dating life, got a great husband, got a better job, got more promotions. These are the science of boobs. I agree. Right? I agree. Well, I think it's based, and I think the same thing goes for a nose job besides Jennifer

Gray. And even Jennifer Gray might be like, I don't care. I'm still happier with when I have to wake up in the morning and brush my teeth and look in the mirror like, I don't know. I think it's what, I think it's plastic surgery in general. And I think of it's something that bothered you, you know, you didn't like your the size of your breasts or you didn't like your nose or whatever. Or your proportions to your hips. Yeah, like I think anybody that like goes for it in

the most part, providing they don't go down this road of the exaggerated ass or the ridiculous blue and boobs or, you know, where they're on botched being like I got addicted to it. Just, you know, a tweet here or there, I Think it's great. And I always say like look, you know, God created plastic surgeons. There was a time where I'm sure people were like Critical of women who were getting their teeth straight and with braces. I'm sure there was a time where I was like, oh, she's so vain She got braces and then it all became, everybody gets braces in the middle school. And, you know, if you don't, if you or a time where women had gray hair and they started to dye their hair

and the ladies around, the village or whatever probably gave them shit for it. So I think it's the same thing. Like I do think like all these things will just become more normal. Yeah, and this isn't me encouraging people to breast augmentation, to get breast augmentation. It's like, I love cute little A's that look good in a T shirt.

Yeah. Personally, I've just noticed this. And to me, like, know thyself. If it's something like I've known girls that were like kind of bigger frame girls that have big hips and they're like, I want to get a little boob to even me out proportionally. And it's know thyself.

And I've also seen terrible cases of body dysmorphia disorder where they can't stop. Right. You know, like I have one friend and I'm like, I'm like, I, you're doing the right amount just a little bit of lip, but I can see you're going too far. And she went from looking like the prettiest girl in high school to just an old plus. She looks 15 years older than she looks now because of so much filler and so much Botox in the giant for years. Yeah, she's not see it yet or did she does. No, she's in total dysmorphia.

She just keeps going. She cannot stop. I know. And I just think it's because there's a certain people it's that certain look like even when now when you look at somebody you're like, oh, like a photo and Instagram. And you're like, oh, I thought that was Chloe Kardashian. Or I thought that because everybody's getting the same look, same look, same doctors. And I really think that's crazy.

If you want to be in this business, don't you want to stand at? I mean, you can still be very pretty and have a slight bump on your nose or I think our imperfections make us perfect. Like I think to me, the some of the sexiest things, like we're dating ourselves here, but Michelle, Michelle Fifers, Lopsided Mouth, I thought was like one of the sexiest things ever. Like I like prominent noses on women.

It's just my thing. Right. And it just makes you, yeah, I mean, it's like, look at Barbara Streisand. If Barbara Streisand would have gotten a nose job, she wouldn't have been her. She wouldn't have been that woman that was so convincing in these parts because you're like,

I know that woman. I think if you want to be a real actress that you should hold back on some of these major look changes. Yeah, if I see too much of it and the humanity goes away in the face. I won't book them You know, I feel like a lot of women are out there getting worked on in a vain attempt to extend their career when they are in fact Ending it because I'll see the ridge on the lip and I'm like I can't shoot around that and I'm not paying somebody Because of the filler. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, the filler where it's where it looks like a coaster You could put a drink on yeah,, or they look like a grouper. You know, give me a lipped fish.

Or there's no expression. There's nothing around here. And there's nothing in the forehead. And I'm like, I need, I need humanity. And it reminds me of that, that other TikTok I did about the, did you see the glamour magazine, the first AI fashion editorial? Yes. Tell us about that. Yes. So I saw this. and I'm like, well, here we go. The model's been replaced, the photographer's been replaced, everything's been replaced and you look through it. And at a glance, it looks just like any other fashion photograph. But when you look at it, the eyes are just lifeless and cold.

And the skin is plasticky. And, you know, I think AI is going to be good for a lot of things. It'll be great for coding websites. It'll be great for making white pages. It will replace extras and movies that are out of focus. It'll be great for stuff like that. But I believe, and a lot of people think I'm just old school thinking, I believe you need humanity to create humanity.

I just saw Raven Simone in an interview and you know she was the little kid on Cosby show, but she went on to be that so Raven she was on the view. She's I've worked with her. She's like a really smart woman and It was like well, what do you think? You know, which is often when a lot even though these people going to be successful Same thing when I interviewed Cory Feldman, you know, what do you think about child actors, whatever? And she actually said,

I don't think a child actor should be on camera working at all in any capacity until they're over 10. And maybe if you need that child, use AI, which I think is kind of a hard, bizarre thing. Because I do think there are people that have done it right. I mean, you're telling me that like, you know, Ron Howard wasn't a success for a story. Turn out just fine.

Yeah. Fred Savage, I mean, there's people that can do it. They go on to other things like it and, you know, providing their parents are okay. And especially now today, I really think. I've really good parents too. I worked with Lindsay Lohan as you know. Right.

And I love Lindsay and I like her dad okay. But I'm not blaming her parents, but here's the thing. I've had the crap kicked out of me a lot in my life. I've been humbled a lot in my life. I've been humbled a lot in my life because I've gone through this, but I can't imagine me at 16, 15, 18 years old where I'm in a world with unlimited money where no one's telling me no

and I can't think of the level of A-hole I would have been. The entitlement, I'm a nice guy, but I also have been told no plenty. Well, we had an agent, Iris Burton, my, did you ever hear of Iris Burton back in your day? She was a big child agent. I think she might have had like Leonardo DiCaprio, whatever. And she was our agent, my two sisters and I, because she was representing the neighbors or whatever.

And she met us. And my sister Shannon, who went on to be an attorney, she worked a lot. And she had a very, she had, my other sister and I were brown hair brought eyes. But she was lighter skinned, she had blue eyes, fruckles, blonde hair. That was the look they wanted more than our look.

And she was good at it. And she got a bunch of commercials and stuff. And my mom would take me out of school. And then they said, she's got to have pigtails and she's got to wear these overall. So my mom would have like brush my hair out, put them in pigtails, drive me there. And I remember like by the time I got to Hollywood, I was so tired, I fell asleep and I wasn't good in the room. And then at home, I'd be like, I'd be doing characters and running around and my mom was like,

why can't you be like this when I take you in the room? And I remember feeling so guilty that I had wasted her time and not booked anything. And I knew how much time it took out of her day and how it wasn't resulting in anything for her, for myself, for the family. And I just thought of that. I really was, like, God, you're right, I suck.

I suck, and then I didn't really pursue it, then my mom, then Channing got to, kind of, was stop booking stuff, and they stopped calling, because she got out of the age range. And they took that money, and I don't think we put it in her private fun. I really don't, because all of a sudden we had an addition. But anyway, to our house. But my parents, you know, my, she had a good life,

they've made for college, whatever. But I want to say I don't know. And back then, commercials made a lot. And the kids were real jealous of her. And they were like, oh, we sell you on bold three. And they were so mean and bullying her. And they're like, how would you make you on bold three and they were so mean and bullying her. And they're like, how would you make off that? How would you make off that? And my

mom said, just say you made a lot. Well, that didn't make the kids happy. And so then and whatever, then by high school, she wasn't doing it. No one was remembering and nobody cared. And then she never pursued it. And then I did. But yeah, it is a weird thing no matter how nice and great your parents are. And I just thought of that, that is hard. And the Appietro tool said something funny. He says, there's no such thing as a effing child actor. They're just children that are either watchable or not.

That is, yeah, you're right. Like why they work? It's like saying, I mean, this isn't right, but I'm just saying when people say, you know, a child prostitute or a teen prostitute, no, they're victims, like you can't be. So, and it's probably a bad example, but I'm saying like, you're right,

they're just children, they shouldn't have jobs. Yeah, there's a weird expacter that some people are just watchable and it's not by how pretty they are because you look at Philip C. Moore Hoffman and that guy would chew through the scenery. He could have three lines in a movie and I'd be like, oh, that was a freight train. Yeah. I can't take your eyes off of them.

Yeah. I don't love, like, Will Smith movies necessarily. But I'll always watch a Will Smith movie because he's so watchable. Oh, so interesting. You know, he's a movie star and it's one of those things that I've never managed to figure out. But some people are just more watchable than others. I know, and I have to thank you.

I had this fun guy that said, I'm not a good actor, but I'm really good at auditioning. And he never became like an Oscar winner, but he would book a lot of stuff as a teenager and a young adult. He'd book the guest spots, he'd book the pilots. They never, it wasn't an ultimate success, but he was that person that would just come and get the job done, be charming in the room, get the lines at the mark, you know, make it easy for everyone. I worked on a shoot with Lisa Kudrow once, and I know I kind of roasted her on Instagram

on what I wanted to do. Why would you say? We'll get to that. But I asked her, I said, I heard about it, a friend that worked on friends, my friend Todd, and I asked her, I said, I know how that was one of the toughest cycles of auditions ever. I know all about it. How do you think you want it when everybody else just can call back, call back, call it, they were a lot of callbacks and a lot of pressure. And she said, all I did, she goes, all I did was the same exact thing every time. And I watched everybody second guest themselves

and choke and panic in the waiting area. And I just did the same thing over and over and over again until I got it. She's really smart. So she was my teacher at the ground links. What is she? Yeah. And I absolutely loved her.

And she grew up here in Woodland Hill. She went to Taf Taf Taf. And she basically was someone who's really smart kind of like Kennaver Wings where they wanted to pursue the arts, but they also had like a science brain and they figured out comedic timing and the math of a joke. And she, her brother was friends with,

my God, the name is escaping me from SNL where he'd be like the lying guy. John Loveitz? Yes. Her brother was friends with John Loveitz. And then John Loveitz was at the groundlings and she went to like go see a show or something and she thought, oh my gosh, this is what I want to do. And she was at Vassar.

Yeah. And her dad was a doctor. So she had like the kind of science brain. And but she kind of was like, no, I think I'd rather do this. And so he was like, go join the growlings, whatever. And she would watch sitcoms over and over and over again. And that's when you had to be there to watch it. You couldn't like just watch it on YouTube.

And she kind of studied rhythm. Yeah, she studied the rhythm and everything. And then she also had this unique funny ability of creating, you know, original characters like she did for Phoebe, really. But, but it was that kind of a thing. And, and then when I was doing, when she was my teacher and she moved me to the next level

and she called and said, okay, you're going to the next level and I was like, oh my gosh, I'm so excited, you know, and she goes, no, she's like, you, you get it. She's like, you get what is funny, not everybody gets it and just keep doing what you're doing. And um, but she was great. She was always so nice, but sometimes it can be that. So as it can be, everyone has their own path and their own, using their own special talents to get to what they want. Yeah, her thing was just like, her thought process was like,

they're calling me back for a reason. It means they liked the thing I did last time. So she just stayed in this character and never deviated from it and just didn't allow herself to get rattled. And look, we all get rattled. Yeah. I don't get rattled in auditions,

but when you walk into a call back and there's 20 people in the room and they're all just like looking at laptops and eating pizza and not paying attention, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, I mean, the producer starts up when you get into the room. Yeah, well, you have all the people from the ad agency and all the client people and the director

and everyone just look for nervous intense and all the actors are nervous intense and you're just like this, this is my moment, you know. Yeah, it's amazing. Okay, let's talk about some other fun things. Everyone wondered how Dixon City Comptroller, Rita Crendwell, could afford so many horses. The rumor we had that she had befriended

some rich little old lady and she had left her a lot of money. Somebody thought that her family had bought stock and Campbell's soup. I had heard something new was like a cellphone company. Like every time that cellphone rang, like cell phone company, like every time that cell phone rang, like she made money. Like any cell phone. Kind of, yeah.

I know that sounds ridiculous. To find out the truth, listen to Crooked City, Dixon, Illinois, wherever you get your podcasts. Did you had kind of an interesting Britney Spears story you wanted to share? Oh my god, yeah. So the only reason I'm telling this juice is because my friend, it was like so done that she was just like, you can name my name. I'm not gonna name her name.

But a friend of mine worked as a, it a big music management company. And one of the clients that she was assigned to was the day-to-day looking after Britney Spears. And it was a most unpleasant experience for her. She was the day-to-day person. Yeah, she was the day-to-day person who was at Britney's side at all times.

And what year are we talking? 2006, 2007 around there. So I didn't know that she always had a different band or that she's one of those people who always has the craziest job. So she called me out of the blue and she's like, Scott Nathan, I need your help right now and I'm like, what's wrong?

And she's like, I'm with Brittany and she will not put her costume on. I said, what are you talking about? Brittany who? And she goes, spears. And I go, where are you talking about? Brittany who? And she goes, spears. And I go, where are you? And she goes, we're backstage at the VMA awards and she will not put on her, hold on, hold on.

Brittany, you cannot go on stage in your underwear. You have to put on your costume and then I hear Brittany in the background going, I could do whatever I want to do and you don't get to tell me what to do. And she's like, oh my God, Scott, I'm gonna have a nervous breakdown right now. Ken Paves was just here for six hours,

putting the most beautiful hair extensions into her hair. And she's cutting them out with nail scissors. So I was just like, I don't know how I can help Michelle. I'm sitting here on my couch. And she was just like, so she goes, well, she has to go on stage now. What do I do? And I'm like, it sounds like she doesn't want to put the costume on. So she's, so I'm like, so she goes, well, she has to go on stage now. What do I do? And I'm like, it sounds like she doesn't want to

put the costume on. So she's, so I'm like, just let her go. She's like, well, is there any other advice? I go, no, I'm gonna go watch the sun TV right now. So I put it on TV and she was like, I rewatched it again last night after we spoke and it doesn't look as bad and hindsight as it was in the moment, but it was,

but it was, was she wearing like little low black shorts? Or what, what was it? It was just like a sparkly top and sparkly little shorts in memory serves. And, uh, and then she immediately got fired for contradicting Brittany. So she went back to her big fantasy suite. I think it was at the Rio, one of those giant like playboy matches. Oh, in Vegas.

Yeah. It was in Vegas. And she ordered a picture of martinis and was like drowning her sorrows and calling me and she's just drunk and playboy mansion. Oh, in Vegas? Yeah, it was in Vegas. And she ordered a picture of martinis and was like drowning her sorrows and calling me. And she's just drunk and crying and upset. And she goes, wait, hold on, someone's banging at my door. And I go, don't answer it. And she goes, no, they will not stop knocking.

She goes, hang on. So she walks to the front door of the suite. She looks out the people. It is Britney Spears, no entourage, no security. Just Britney and a party dress. And she opens the door and she's like, what do you want? And she's like, let's go out and party, let's go to the club.

And she's like, you just fired me. She goes, let it go, let's just go out to the club. She's like, I don't wanna go out to the club with you. I hate you, you fired me. And she's like, oh, come on, don't be a stick in the mud. Let's go out. And she's like, no, slam the door and Britney says. So she didn't go out.

She did not go out. And then she ran into Britney, she ran into Britney a few years ago, but now like two years ago. And they were together every day, all day at Britney's house. And she goes, Hey, Britney, she goes, Oh, hi, it's so nice to meet you.

What's your name? And she says it. And she goes, it's really nice to meet you. And she's like, Britney, I worked with you every day for two years. She goes, Are you sure? Cause I don't think so. She's like, Brittany, I worked with you every day for two years. She goes, are you sure? Cause I don't think so. She's like, Brittany, it's me.

And she didn't remember. So then I called her back about the whole Brittany free Brittany thing when that was going down. And I go, what do you think about the whole free Brittany thing? It sounds like she's at a tough road. She goes, she has had a tough road, tough road. Do not under any circumstances free Brittany. And I'm like, well, she do. She goes, she could buy a jet liner and fly it into a mountain. Do circumstances free Brittany. And I'm like, well, what will she do?

She goes, she could buy a jetliner and fly it into a mountain. Do not free Brittany. Not now, not ever. She's that person muttering things, pushing a grocery cart down the street. She just happens to have a lot of money. So that was the first hand account.

Her opinion. Yeah. Well, you know, with the latest knife thing dancing with the knives that you saw that you saw Yeah, and I thought it was just a little attention seeking it, but she does love knives and one thing I remember that I don't think I've shared is I had a friend who worked with some hotel and she was there and She took knives to the couch and they're just like All right, you know, they just pay for the couch or whatever.

Oh, she destroyed them. Yeah, she would do that allegedly at different hotels or whatnot. And, you know, they keep it quiet because they replace it just like any rock star that, you know, room to room. Yeah, but I do think there was some, when I saw the night, I'm like,

oh, there's a little bit of a fascination with knives, whether the real fake prop Whatever. Yeah. Yeah, she seems like a handful doesn't she? Now you are known originally really became a star because you would give your friends who were aspiring and practicing sugar babies some different types of tips and friends who were aspiring and practicing sugar babies, some different types of tips. And where have you gone with your career

as being a life coach for sugar babies? Well, I have some work-earing clients and I frequently have to do one. So you have real clients. I do some, yeah, I'm out of time, but I do it in the afternoons for a couple of hours once or twice a week. On the phone.

On the phone, yeah. Just like a life coach. Exactly, a life coach, but a sex worker, life coach. Okay, and so tell us, give us some free stuff that we can gain from being, if somebody's listening and is aspiring or doing one. So the thing I care most about, obviously, is their safety.

And a lot of women don't know the basic fundamentals of keeping themselves safe. So I usually start with that as a baseline. I'll be like, don't use any photos in your sugar apps that you use on your TikTok or your Instagram or your Facebook. Oh, that's a good point. Because reverse Google image search, you can find out who someone's name is and find out

what they do for a living and really screw up their life. So you have your life. So I'm Heather McDonald, I'm 25. Okay. I want to be a sugar baby. So I only have, you know, a thousand followers between high school college and my job. And I'm here I am at the Laker game, here I am with my mom at Christmas. Okay, so you're saying, and even I might even have a really flattering one. Don't use that. Never. Do a whole different photo

from like with a different background, everything. And then that's my sugar baby profile. For starters, and you never give anyone your real phone number, you go get a Google voice or some kind of burner phone number that you can text and email on. And that's important because if you want to get rid of them too, it'll be an easier way to block them and get rid of them. Yeah, but there's also reverse lookups for cell phone numbers too. Like I could probably take your cell phone number and put it into Google and there's probably a website that could reverse engineer it

and have your name and your address. Oh, so safety first. And then I always say, like, don't, you know, this is chess, it's not checkers. Don't go for the kill right out of the gate. Like do not go meet someone you haven't spoken to on the phone and that you can't vet. Just don't just go show up at a hotel room

or for a car date. Get to know them. Ask for their copy of their ID. Ask for a link to their LinkedIn. Ask for a business card. And some guys might tell you to f off, but I want to keep you alive first and foremost. Well, if they tell you to f off, then they weren't real.

Like I remember when I was doing real estate, you know, you would never just put some guy or girl or whatever in your car. They had to come to the office. They had to, they would leave their idea or they take a photo of the idea the receptionist would. And then really more importantly is you got them pre-approved by a mortgage broker before you ever showed them a piece of property. Yeah, you had to put them a fine.

And if they ever got weird about it, well then you're not really interested in the house, right? That's right. I mean ever showed him a piece of property. And if they ever got weird about it, well, then you're not really interested in the house, right? That's right. I mean, it makes a lot of sense. That's right. I had a client call me last night who lives right here in LA and it was literally the grossest thing I've ever heard about a sugar dating request. Tell.

This guy says, I want you to overeat, preferably Mexican food. And I will pay $2,000 if you come over to this, there's a gross motel and Van Ayes and vomit on me. And I was like, I don't like the sound of this at all. I don't think she's gonna- How much was he offering her? 2K. So she's like, I used to be believing.

I could vomit really easily. Oh my God. So I'm like, are you gonna do this? I don't like this at all. Can't you go meet this guy for a coffee first and just see? And she goes, I'm just going to give it a go. I'll share my location with you. And she went and she did it.

She stuck her finger down her throat. She project out vomit and all over this kind. He said, thank you, mistress. And he gave her the money in advance. If you get the money before you even walk in the room. You always get the money. You say the line I tell everyone to use is, hide so nice to meet you. Do you have something for me?

Mm, classy. Hello. And you say, like cash in an envelope, never a seller, a Venmo? No, well, PayPal's can be reversed, Zells can't, but I always say to ask for cash, because you also don't want the tax liability. Okay, and now, what else do you have for them that you've discovered?

You had said on the previous show about the kind of gifts if they want to get, now people have like Amazon wish gifts or go on my, you know, sugar baby wish list so that you know that if you want to give me a gift, you know, I want these Prada sunglasses. So when we meet for our first date, you can hand me that first gift and the guy like it's off on that he likes doing that. At least it's something you want. So do you are you for that? Yeah, I'm all about it. I'm like, but I'm all about real communication because there's a lot of guys out there that are just their kink is they're never going to meet you. They're never going to give you any money and they're just wasting your time. They're going, oh, well, you don't do full service.

What if I gave you 10 grand? What if I gave you 20 grand? And they're like, well, if you give me 20 grand, I'll have sex with you. And then it never happens anyway. So you have to really separate the wheat from the chaff. Oh, so they're just wasting your time just talking to you. It's just their kink thing if they can manipulate girls. There's so there's so much of that out there.

Interesting. Or they're like, oh, I don't use third party apps like Venmo or Zeal or PayPal, but I can email you a check that you can then photograph and direct deposit. And then there's ways to scam the bank and you end up with like banking fees. So I say, you know, don't, you can be nice, but you can be very firm. These are my boundaries. These are my standards. I'm going to need a two minute FaceTime call with you.

I want to know who you are. I want to know what you do. It's just for it's for both of our safeties. And then a lot of them are just local. How much extra would it be for no condom? And they're like, uh, you have to get a test within 24 hours. I can give you the names of some places to go through. The COVID test? No, just no.

Yeah. No, you can go to the place that all the adult performers here in the valley go. And within less than 12 hours, you get a PDF in your phone. You go there, there's a while, give them a plug. There's one called talent testing. And there's another one called cutting edge testing.

It's where everyone in the adult business goes. And when people in the past have asked me, they're like, how you know, you've dated. And so do a lot of girls do that, providing they get the test that it's worth it because the guy really wants to experience a new condom situation. Yeah, if both, if she does it and they do it,

she'll do it, but they'll usually charge a premium for it. I still would be nervous that they could see someone in between or it might not be a hundred percent. Yeah, that's fair. Pretty much like anybody could kind of do it, right? I mean, it's like, there's all different types in its chip matter. I've had women reach out to me and they're like,

I'm 28, am I aged out? And I'm like, you are not aged out. There has Henry Ford said there's an ass for every seat. There's someone for everyone. I mean, hell, I was a sugar baby during COVID. Oh, that's right. You had that girlfriend, right? Yeah.

And that was like her kink was giving me money and exchange for playing with her. But I mean, I would have done it anyway, but that was her kink was treating me like a prostitute. So with these girls, are they also pursuing real love? Yeah, I think per, I know someone who did that. So I know a girl that was like getting paid well below what she deserved.

She was meeting guys on Seeking, but she was broke. And she was meeting guys on Seeking. But she is boning. Yeah, always boning. Yeah. But she was like a beautiful tall, statuous, blonde, smart, sassy, funny. And she was doing guys for like 400 bucks. And finally, you know, sifted through enough chaff and finally met this guy she really

liked. Who was a client? Who was a client? Who every Friday night she would go to his house in the hills and he'd give her 10 grand every weekend. Sometimes she'd usually stay over, but she really liked him. She's like, I would marry this guy. I would have a kid with him.

And he kept saying, I want to have a kid with you. But it kept not happening. And this guy was one of those guys who was kind of just addicted to having a lot of girls like this. And he'd been burned twice and divorced. So she, she's just like, I would date him in a second. So he just kept giving her the 10 grand a week for years and years and years.

So then with 10 grand a week to six, did she stop doing the $400? Yeah, yeah, okay. She gave all them up. And then one day she was like her lease expired and she had like a cheap car and she's like, I'm gonna go get a new lease of the same car.

Because while I come with you, I can hopefully, I can help you negotiate. So they get to the dealership and he's like, why don't you get the convertible? She's like, I can't afford the convertible. I just want the base model. He's like, why don't you get the sportsible? She's like, I can't afford the convertible. I just want the base model. He's like, why don't you get the sports package? And she's like, I'm not, I'm just getting

the same car, same color that I had. And he goes, just wait right here. And he goes, you come with me to the salesman. And he walked away with the salesman, gave him his black card, got her a loaded convertible with everything on it. And he's like, yeah, yeah, put it in her name and just bought her a car on the spot.

So they're out there. But she didn't marry him. No, she would have. Well, is she still seeing him? No, because she moved to a different country. But when she comes back in visits, they don't even necessarily hook up. He still gives her the money.

He just loves her. He calls her Salt of the Earth and he just gives her money every time he sees her. And he's one of those guys that's so rich that like, 10 grand to him is like me giving you a candy bar. Right. Okay. So I have a question. Has anybody ever like been seeing a sugar daddy or whatever and then they that guy is getting married. I know a lot of them are married, but the guy is actually like pursuing someone else and keeping the girl on the side

and like they and they, they are at that moment where they're like, do I tell it? Like it's one thing to be seeing a guy who has a wife, okay? I get that. There was a role who cares, did it, it's, I have nothing to do with he pursued me. But I think that would be a weird position for a sugar baby to be in, like, let's say you're seeing

the sky, like let's say this situation with this guy. And she's like, oh my God, he's nice and he's great. And then somehow through Instagram or through a friend or maybe she's like, oh my God, he's nice and he's great. And then somehow through Instagram, or through a friend, or maybe she's walking down the street, she sees him and he's engaged. And this girl seems like a really great girl. She's smart. She thinks she's bearing the greatest guy.

Like, this could be like a juicy movie if I was ever in the Client Clienterite thing. And like, what do you do? Do you tell, like, girl to girl? Do you tell the girl this is what you're getting into? Do you tell the, do you tell it? Do you tell like girl to girl? Do you tell the girl? This is what you're getting into. Do you tell? Do the sugar baby tell the fiance? No, no. As Carrie Grant once said, you don't pay prostitutes to come over. You pay them to leave. You're paying for your discretion. I think that would be a terrible thing to do. You never blast someone. Well, you know, you're not supposed to call them prostitutes anymore.

Sorry, sex workers. Sex workers. But do you think, and I feel like women that do this are okay, saying I'm a sex worker, I think they prefer saying sugar, baby. But do you think they really do perceive themselves as that? I call them hooker lights. I thought that was a fun or way to say it because I didn't think it was, I thought there was more kind of more to it than that. It is more complex because it's rare, but I have known girls who get money from guys and don't do anything sexually with them. Like, they really are escorts of the traditional meaning. Like, they go with them to events and they hang out and maybe they have hooked up once or twice. But there are some types of guys that just like taking care of girls.

And I've had it. And they just want that companion that's going to show up. Be a delight, not fight with them, not ask about anything. And listen to me. Yeah. And yeah. And I can't remember if we've talked about this or not. But I know there's one girl from Australia who is a face meltingly wealthy sex worker. She owns four houses, she's flown by guys only private all over the world. She's a master of the universe. She's probably 29 by now, but been doing it since her early 20s.

And I said to her, I said, what do you think distinguishes you from everyone else? Why is it that you are so successful? Because you're pretty, but you're not. Or just magnitude prettier than anyone else in this business. And she said, the difference between me and everybody else is I can walk into a room and know what a guy needs. And it's seldom sex.

And I said, give me an example. She goes, I walked into this guy's big house in Bel Air. And it was a disaster. There were dirty dishes piled up everywhere. There were 20 pairs of shoes by the door. It was just a disaster area and I could tell by his body language. He was sad and slouching and depressed and she was like, how are you?

And he's like, I'm okay. And I realized that this guy just needed peace. So I started to talk to him. I cleaned his entire kitchen. I mopped his floors. I took all the shoes by the front door. I put them in the closet. I cleaned his whole house for three hours and then sat next to him and he says, you know, I feel so good when you're around and he gave her $30,000. She never even took her shoes off. Yeah. Interesting. That's the thing about men that people don't realize, you know, teenagers, there's

in their 20s, yeah, they want to get off. They want orgasms, but men, sometimes men just want to be heard. Hmm. So interesting. Is it? It really is. I know. I don't judge the thing that we forget.

I think that's also why men end up with a pretty young girl that's 30 years younger than them, too. And they don't really think about the big picture of, yeah, right now she's super into you and she's hanging on your every word and you guys can have fun and you're 55 and she's 25 and it's all going to be fine. But when you're 65 or 70, you're not going to want to be traipsing around Europe and going to an event every night, but she'll only be 40 and she will. And what are the chances of her wanting to stay with you after that? Yeah. None. And I've talked to men and

women about this whole thing and it's it's very tricky. But having been someone who's had I had a long-term relationship for five and a half years with someone half my age. And I have to say that there were great things about it. The great things about it, obviously, from them just looking Photoshopped in real life, is they kept me relevant. They kept me current. They kept me knowing like what the new music was,

what the TV is, what the vernacular, what the slogans and the saying are. And I would teach them about music and culture and movies and they would teach me about things they knew and we worked really well together. Now of course, long term, this probably went on to in a half years longer than it would have, but we were best of friends and she kept me young and I made her wiser. And it ran its course, but I'd always say to the same thing. I was like, you don't want to be with me.

I'm going to be a geriatric and you're going to be my age now. This is a terrible idea long term. And, you know, I'm friends with every ex I've ever had. I mean, like talk on the phone, friends except one, but that one, but, but but you know, there is something to be said for it. And it's like, it was at a Shakespeare line, youth is beauty, beauty is youth. And, you know, I think if you looked at it from an anthropological level, I think everyone's designed to look their most beautiful by the universe because that's when they're

most fertile, therefore the most attractive. So it's like vampires drinking the blood of virgins, you know, everyone's in pursuit of youth. So it's tricky and younger women, a lot of younger women don't want to date men their own age because they're young and stupid. You know, my grandmother used to say, no man worth a damn before 40. And I think, right, and I know women, you know, can date younger guys now too. And I think that sometimes can be a nice match. Sure.

Like, or, yeah, share, or just like even like a woman, you know, like, oh, I'm in my early 50s. I'm dating a 38 year old, you know, he doesn't want to have kids. We get along, we're great. Again, I don't know where that'll be when she's 60 and he's still in his 40s. Maybe it'll last me, it won't. But she's, so what, he can fix a few things

around the house, he bones me good. I'm active. Maybe she can go get a side piece. Maybe we should stop being such puritons that founded this country. Maybe we could live more like French and Italians where everybody has a side piece. Everybody takes the summers off.

No one ever gets divorced. No one ever humiliates their partner, but every Italian woman, every Italian man, they're all Catholic, God-fearing, but they don't look at a side piece, but nobody makes a big fuss out of it. You know, maybe everyone should just live like a Frenchman. Have a wife, have a lover. Yeah, I mean, whatever works for people, but you know, it's like, is that

Trader Joe's yesterday? And there's this young, really cute kid that works there. He's maybe 22. And I mean, he acts like Kiana Reeves in the original parenthood movie. Okay. Do you remember that? Yeah. Where he was like, I didn't get 16,000 on my SAT, okay? Like, but he's cute and, you know, and I've seen him there. So, like, looking at the fruit, and he's just telling this story about how he, whatever, fell off his bike to this other guy

working at Trader Joe's. And I mean, he's just like, and did, did, did, and I'm like, I go, what if roles are reversed? And me as a woman, let's ask, whatever, I'm a successful woman, but I have a husband, have a few dollars. And I thought like a man, and I was like, this is gonna be my sugar baby over here.

Yes. Dom Kiddy's gonna be so excited when I buy him that electric bike, whatever, a motorbike, whatever he's doing. And he's adorable and he's sweet, but I've witnessed him a few times. And he is the epitome of a really pretty girl that's dumb, but he's a dude. Yeah, he's a hot little thing. He's a hot like, who could probably cut diamonds with his penis?

Yeah. And like doesn't know he's hot also. And just like really happy with, you know, who knows what he's doing. And um, but I just thought like that would never happen because that is something that a woman my age doesn't want. We don't want another son to raise. We don't want another sometimes they do though. Sometimes they do, but I don't think it's very often. I think they would rather have the 38 year old guy. I'm saying like, is your going to go a little younger? You don't want like a 53 year old guy would love it is totally getting want that 21 21 to year old girl

sometimes to play around with. But I don't want anyone. But I've also seen the mountain top. I've eaten the whole buffet. I know how the day ends, but I'm saying I don't think there's a lot of women in my age that if they went for somebody younger, that they would want someone that young. Yeah. Like that's too much, that's too much teaching, too much raising, too much, no. Yeah, but maybe, maybe, what if it's just straight up?

Like you come over less talky, more licky. Yeah, maybe. I don't know. But I also think a guy, like, isn't, no, no. It doesn't, Madonna But I also think a guy like isn't none of. I mean, doesn't my dad guys. I feel like I feel like yes, and I feel, but I also feel like girls. No of the sugar baby culture. It's been around forever.

They could talk to other people. They could see it. Like I don't think there's a ton. I mean, this would make kind of a juicy movie. If there was like a bunch of guys that are like, listen. There is this movement going. I'm going to teach you how to do it. When you're at Trader Joe's, like, this is what you say, you put a little feeler out.

Oh, you're married happily, whatever, you know, I work Tuesday. I don't know. And they're like throwing a line in the car. And then they kind of know the routine or whatever. But I don't, I think he's a young hot innocent guy like that. And innocent because he's, you know, it's, he wouldn't even be thinking about it. Like he'd be so like, what? You're my mom's age.

Like I just don't think they're thinking the way. I don't know when I was young. I was like really into cooking. Really? Okay, maybe there is, maybe there is more of a market for it, but I feel like. I always feel like the hairdresser, I'd be like, you married.

Yeah. You guys still get together. You know, I always try. I used to flirt with my doctors. Yeah. Your your female doctors or male doctors, not no matter whatever you want. I know you're without judgment, but no female doctors. I'd be like, wow, you went to jail.

I was like, I said to one, I was like, oh, you went to Yale. You know, you're pretty eligible. That's amazing. I do a lot of guys flirt with you. And I just try to think, you know, they just tied it off there like I'm not talking about anything personal with you. Um, let's tell one last story before we get into your book one more time. Tell me about a one of the worst breakup stories you've ever heard. Oh my God. I think of two off the top of my head. So one was a friend of mine, it's been a relationship with a guy for nearly 15 years.

They never got married, but they lived together on the big. A girl. Yeah, a big agent lived with her boyfriend, I was a businessman on the beach in Santa Monica, great life. One morning she gets up at like three o'clock in the morning to pee or whatever, and he's not in bed. So she gets up and she looks around the house and she can't find him and then she looks at her phone

To see if there's a text or something and she has an apple wallet notification saying $1,500 Was charged on your American express on hers so was she the bread winner of the couple hood? No, they both made a lot of money And this was the very confusing part. And it's shutters on the beach, which is a luxury beach hotel in Santa Monica. So she's like, what the actual F? So she gets in her car, doesn't text him,

gets in her car, drives, rates of shutters on the beach, and she walks up to the front desk, and she says, Hi, my name is XYNZ, here's my ID, I left, I locked my card in the room, can I get another key card?

And they're like, yes, ma'am. And they get rid of the card and she walks in. And her boyfriend of 15 years is getting railed by an Asian transgender lady. Pound it. Pound it. And what did she say? Was it just, was she like, I can't even leave my eyes? She flipped.

She was like, what the f is going on here? She's like, I cannot believe you. I cannot believe you're cheating on me. Now when she says, and you might not know the story, when she sees it and it's mid sex, and she's like, what the hell does the person then exit the boyfriend? Uh-uh, they're just sitting there.

And the boyfriend wasn't even apologetic or horrified and he goes what It should go that could not believe you. I can't believe you're having sex with an agent transgender on my crowd on my American Express card You know his response was he goes you were sleeping You were sleeping And then does she look back and be like, well, obviously he liked this kind of sex and he liked this kind of type of person. What the hell was he doing with me?

She was completely blindsided. She thought he was a flaming heterosexual. She had no idea. And then how did they end it? And she just like get out tomorrow? She was getting out of my f'ing house and they've never spoken since. Did they ever have any mutes?

I always think, what do you tell your mutual friends when you been together that long? I don't know what happened. I don't know what you told everyone else. Yeah, like what happened? You know, like, oh, okay, well, you know, do we make an agreement? Do we keep a secret like that?

Maybe, you know, you don't want it out there? I don't know. I don't know. What do you do when it's something that, like, surprising. Yeah. It's out there. So, I posted it. I made a tick talk about it.

Yeah. So, the next day, a girl I hadn't heard from it 10 years calls me and she goes, that's nothing. That is nothing. My story is that 1,000 times worse than that one. And I was like, what's your story? So, this was a beautiful girl. She looked like Cindy Crawford, like just a beautiful

brunette and she couldn't cut it and modeling and acting. She just couldn't cut it and left and moved to Arizona, America's cat box. And sorry, Arizona, and I have family there. My son goes to school there. Okay. Love it. So she moved to moved to Arizona and then she meets a handsome guy who's successful head tribal tattoo. So that was like, I was just like, I don't know, he's got tribal tattoos. And she was just like, don't be a hater. It's Arizona.

I know it's Arizona. It's like that they drive yellow hummers there and stuff. So she meets this guy, falls in love with him, gets married, they're living in a big house. Poor, good life in Arizona. And very happy. Now, she had told me way back when I met her, because I'm adopted, she had a lot of really unresolved

feelings about she had gotten pregnant at 15 or 16, and had no ability to raise a child, and she gave this child up for adoption. So now that she had a stable home life, she wanted to reach out and see if she could connect with her daughter that she gave birth to. And she does, who turns out to also live in Arizona. And the daughter is like a 22 year old spitting image of this girl when she was young, gorgeous, perfect. And they get together and they start building a relationship. Well, a few months in

her husband and the daughter start hooking up and they have run off together and they are engaged and they are doing the closest thing you can do to pornography on Instagram that they're posting. They're just like tongues out, tongueing each other and like, groping and just like filthy, nasty pictures. And like, she's right, there's nothing worse. I can think of them as like my heart breaks for her.

The only thing I can think of is it worse would be if it was a daughter you raised. Yeah, fair. But it is awful and heart breaking because now she doesn't have the daughter that you reconnected with or the husband or the yellow hummer. And people's responses to it were weird. Like some of the people on... When you told the story, on TikTok, yeah, what were they saying? We're just like, oh, well,

she's like, well, bitch deserves it for abandoning her kid. And I'm like, listen, I'm an adoptee. Adoption is not abandonment, leaving someone on a street corner as abandonment. She tried to give this child a better life. And she was just like, well, she nailed it. She got what she deserves and a lot of people were on our side. But I mean, you kind of wonder,

there must have been some unresolved something with the daughter that she gave up and not out of her fault, but whatever. Maybe she didn't have a good childhood herself. Yeah, maybe she didn't have a good childhood with the adoptive parents, you know. Did you ever find your birth parents? I did. Yeah. What's, how did that go? Oh, my god. This is bananas. So, um, so when I was adopted, they were, they were very secret, very clunky adoptions. Right. And then at a certain point in like the late 80s, early 90s,

they opened up the adoptions. So, uh, I was in Cancun, Mexico, and my suitcase got stolen. And in my suitcase was my passport and my original birth certificate. So I had nothing. And back then you could get go to Mexico or Canada with a driver's license. It wasn't a big deal. So I was able to get home. So I had to get a new birth certificate issued to me. So I had to call the Department of Vital Statistics and they said, oh, you were in a closed adoption. You have to apply for this thing called a gold certificate. So I apply for this gold certificate and they reissue me a birth certificate. Now the birth certificate had one more line of information than my old censored one. And it was the name of a law firm. And I'm like, there's no

way this law firm is going to still be around from that long ago. But I'll give it a try. So I'm at my office in Chicago. So it's just before I moved here. And I call and this guy answers the phone. He says, hello. And I said, I said, uh, hi, I think I dialed the wrong number. I was trying to reach a law firm because there's a law firm. My secretary went home for the day because it was like 6 p.m. I go, this is going to sound weird, but I was adopted from your agency back in the 60s. And he goes, oh my God, are you Judge Garber's nephew? And I go, yes, how did you know that? He goes, I went to law school with him at John Marshall and yours is the only like adoption case we've ever done. We were law students together. And this is my dad's law firm. And I'm like,

this is bananas. So good. Anyway, here's the adoption agency reach out. He goes, you probably won't have any luck, but give it a go. So I meet this really interesting woman whose entire job is putting parents and adoptees back together and she said, don't get your hopes up. The trail is usually cold. The only way I will be able to find either your birth parents is if they consented to it.

And she goes, give me a few weeks. I'm gonna have to go through micro-fish and it's basically our warehouse looks like the last scene and Raiders of Lost Ark. So like three weeks a month go by and she goes, this is banana. She goes, I have all these letters to you, like birthday cards and Hanukkah cards

and a Barmitzvah card. And she was just like, you know, happy 13th birthday. This is what I'm living now. Should you ever reach out? Happy 18 you know, happy 13th birthday. Should you, this is what I'm living now. Should you ever reach out? I'm happy 18th birthday, happy 16th birthday and she written me all these cards. And she said, yeah, so she said that if you can give her your phone number, I shall call you and I'm like, I'm not giving her my phone number. Give me her phone number.

And she just want to give you her phone number. Either I go, well, I guess it's a Mexican standoff. So we went back and forth for a little bit and we negotiated that I would call from my office and that she would go to the adoption agency and we would chat about it there. So we talked on the phone and she seemed out there, out there.

And I was literally moving to LA that. Now, did you tell your, uh, your parents that raised you that you were seeing your birth bomb? No, I didn't want to hurt their feelings. I was something I was like, I'm going through this. It's stressful enough. Right. But I did tell my sister who's like, Stalin with too much Botox, uh, and she leaked it immediately. And they found out, well Was she adopted as well? Yeah. Okay. So anyway, so I moved to LA and then we were in touch. We talked on the phone a few times and then I decided, I was ready now, I was gonna come meet her.

So it's a freezing, snowing cold night and I fly back to LA and I wanted to look good for her and I put like a suit, a tie on and a, like a long. So you're meeting her in Chicago or in LA? No, she lives in Chicago, so I flew home to meet her. And I'm driving in this snow storm to this terrible neighborhood, and I was working for Nicholas Cage at the time.

And Nick calls me and he's like, what's going on? And I was, you're never short. When you work for a guy like that, you're never short with them. And I'm like, Nick, is it an emergency? Because I'm going through something really heavy. And there was just silence on the other end of the phone. And I'm like, Nick, is it an emergency? Because I'm going through something really heavy. And there was just silence on the other end of the phone. And I'm like, oh, I totally screwed up.

And I go, I'm sorry, Nick. What do you need? What's going on? Maybe I can help you. And I said, I'm meeting the woman who gave birth to me for the first time. And I think I'm having a panic attack. I've never had a panic attack.

I think I'm having a panic attack, Nick. And it goes, I can help you with this. I'm really good. I have a gift for dealing with stressful situations. And I'm like, you're an acting actor. How are you gonna help me? And I go, all right, Nick and Molly are, let's hear it.

And he goes, I want you to picture yourself, sitting in a red velvet theater seat, in a movie theater, watching a black comedy unfold by you unfold before your eyes. I don't want you to dissociate, but I want you to be an observer, just watch it unfold, and it's gonna be dark and fucked be an observer, just watch it unfold, and it's going to be dark and fucked up

and funny, just watch it. And I go, Nick, can you, you're a different breed of cap. Are you? Yeah, just watch your story. I go, you're an effing genius. I'm totally calm right now. I said, I'm going in. And he goes, he goes, all right, calm me.

Let me know how it goes. And I said, I probably won't, but thank you very much for this, that I went and I met her. And I took her out to dinner. And she was, she told me took her out to dinner and she was uh, and she told me all about my birth father and she'd met this guy. She didn't know he was married. He got her pregnant, uh, turns out he had a couple of kids and one on the way.

And uh, so that happened. So that was like kind of part one of that. But I was, I was always, this crazy red-headed lady can't be all I am. I know I'm red headed I know I'm crazy, but this can't be all there is I have to find my father and now I know his name So every few years I tried hiring different private investigators to try to find him and I always came up empty And it was just like another 1500 bucks another 2000 bucks down the drain and I could not find him and then one day I Get a call from my friend Becca and she said, did you see page six this morning?

I said, you know, I said, you know me. I don't read celebrity trash, I don't care. And she goes, you should look at it today. You're in it. I go, why would I be in page six? She goes, just go look at it. So I go look at it and it says Scott Nathan Seuss Lindsey Lohan for not being paid on a job, which happened.

And then the next column over, it said billionaire, so and so gets sued for sexual harassment by this company CEO in this lady's name. And I'm like, oh, no, I know both of them. I know the billionaire and I know the woman. So seconds later, I get a Facebook request from this woman, Chris Assumecker is her name. And Chris Assumecker is like a geneticist PhD, went to Brown University, a science girl,

beautiful blonde girl, but a science girl. And I said, how did your case end up resolving? And she said, all I'm legally allowed to say is it resolved amicably and I'm pleased with the decision. I said, no way, that's all I'm legally allowed to say. With my Lindsey alone, I think I did get paid. Yes, yes. I remember this.

I wasn't Lindsey's fault. It was her partner. I remember this. So, that all worked out. So, I said, what are you doing now? Are you working for a genetic genetic company? She said, no, no, I gave up science. And I'm like, your PhD, what do you mean you gave up science?

She goes, I'm a mirror medium and a psychic now. And I believe in psychics and mediums, but that's a big leap to go from an Ivy League doctorate to being a psychic. So she goes, I have an idea. And I'm like, she's going to ask me for money. I can feel it. She goes, I'm not going to ask you for money. Oh, she is psychic. Yeah. So she goes, I'll make you, she goes, I'll make you a deal. Let me do a reading for you. And my readings are very expensive. And I said, I said, what's the deal? She goes, let me do a reading for you and my readings are very expensive and I said I said what's the deal? She goes let me do a reading for you and if you love it and I mean really love it shoot my portrait sometime And if you think it was bullshit, you don't know me anything. I was like oh, I'll do that

She goes, I call me Thursday afternoon So I said what so you can Lexus nexus me and Google me let's do it right now and she goes listen mother fucker I will tell you things that you cannot find on Lexus Nexus or Google So tonight So this I I knew her from like clubs and being with that billionaire guy I shouldn't know anything about me. She didn't know as adopted and then none of that is out there I mean it's now because So we get on the phone and she said you're trying to find your birth father and I go yeah

She goes you know, I was channeling your energy and he came to me. She goes, you know, he's a New York accent. I said, I know he's from Brooklyn. And she goes, he has a very dirty mouth. And I said, well, that makes sense. And she goes, do you want me to paraphrase what he's saying to you? Do you want me to tell you exactly? He was dead for two years. So she says, do you want me to pair, I said paraphrase nothing. Tell me exactly what he wants to say to me. Yeah. And he goes, kid, I'm sorry I wasn't there for you.

I couldn't keep my dick in my pants. I fucked everything that moved. I want you to go meet your sisters. And I'm like, I have sisters. So he goes, yeah, I go ask him how to find my sisters. I know this sounds insane, but it's true. So he goes, I want to call my fourth wife. This is her name.

She lives on Spruce Street in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. So I call back the left detective from a few days earlier. And he's like, listen, I'm sorry I'm taking your money, but you gave me that info. That guy does not exist. I said, you're doing one more search for me. I'm not paying you any more money.

He goes, what is it? And I said, look for this lady's name on Spruce Street in Philadelphia. I called him back two minutes later because this is unbelievable. I found him, but that's not his name. He had a different name. It was an anglicized version,

because Jews changed their names back in the 50s and 60s. Yeah. So he goes, anyway, here's her phone number. So I'm like, I better keep going or I'm gonna check it out. So I call his fourth wife. And I said, hi, I'm looking for, and I say his name,

because I didn't even know if any of this was real. Right. And she says, what are you, a bill collector? I said, I am not a Bill Collector. She goes, you better tell me who this is or I'm hanging up. And I said, I don't even know how to say this. So I'm just gonna say it.

I'm a son and she goes, oh Jesus Christ, another one. And I go, what do you mean another one? She goes, you know the girl's just met for the first time in his funeral, right? I said,

I know nothing. I know nothing. Tell me everything. So she tells me this crazy story about they met in his funeral. And I said, I would love to I know nothing. Tell me everything. So she tells me this crazy story about they met it as funeral. And I said, I would love to get in touch with these women. Can you put me in touch with them? And she goes, no. I said, did you just say no?

Why no? And she goes, they've been through enough. They don't need to meet you. And I said, yeah, but this is my life. And she says, I don't give a shit. So I know like old Jewish ladies, you know, they do like to dish. You just, they sometimes just need a little foreplay. And I said, well, ladies, you know, they do like to dish. You just, they sometimes just need a little for play. And I said, well, just tell me what you're comfortable

with. She goes, don't try to trick me. I said, I'm not going to try to trick you. Let me tell you a little bit about me. I'm skinny. I have long curly red hair and blue green eyes and pale skin. Do they look like me? She goes, no. I said, I'm an artist. All right. Either of them creative. She goes, not really. And I said, well, just tell me what you're comfortable telling me. So she goes, well, one of them, and she tells me your name. She goes, she's a realtor in Los Angeles. She grew up at Melrose and LeBrea. Do you know where that is?

And I said, yeah, I do. And she goes, and the other one, she lives in Long Island. And she has hair salons and spas in Long Island and Manhattan. And I'm like quietly typing. And find the real term two seconds flat. And then I'm quietly typing in Facebook and I find the New York one and two seconds flat. Now it gets really crazy. So I go, thank you so much. And she goes, I'll send you some pictures.

So the first picture she sends is like him in the backyard at the Playboy match and with Peter Lofford and he's like a short blonde fat Jew, but with my exact face. And I was like, this is unbelievable. And it's like a Playboy match. And so I'm like, I see where that comes from. Oh my God. I know this sounds completely bananas. So I'm like, it's getting late in New York. I'm going to call the New York one first. So I call the New York one. I said, you know, I write around Facebook. And she's like, this is unbelievable. He told us about you on his deathbed. He didn't know what your name was. He didn't know how to reach you. I'm going to be an LA on Thursday. And I know there's something about Thursdays, everything's a Thursday in this story. She goes, do you want to have dinner? I said, I would love to have dinner with you. Where are you staying? And she said, Santa Monica. And I

said, okay, what hotel I'll pick you up? She goes, I'm not staying at a hotel. I'm staying at my childhood best friend's house. I said, cool, give me the address. She gives me the address. and I said, okay, when hotel, I'll pick you up. She goes, I'm not staying at a hotel. I'm staying at my childhood best friend's house. I said, cool, give me the address. She gives me the address and I go, I know that address. Who's your childhood best friend? She goes, you don't know her. I said, she goes, she's much older than you. I said, is her name Joyce?

She goes, yeah, how the hell do you know Joyce? I said, she's my ex-girlfriend's stepmother. She goes, that's impossible. She only has one step daughter. She's like half your age. And I'm like, and she goes, oh my God, you really are your father, son, aren't you? Oh my God. And I go, I might be.

So then I call my ex and I go, hey, do you know Joyce? And she goes, yeah, of course I know her. She's my mother's best friend. She was in the room when I was born. And I go buckle up, sis. That is my flesh and blood half sister. And she goes, you know, I can kind of see that in the eyes. And I'm like, did you hear what I just said to you? She is my sister. She goes, yeah, it's crazy. So I end up going to picking her up

there and seeing my ex and my ex's parents and having a little visit with them. And then I take her to Shayjay for dinner on Ocean Avenue. And say, Mark and we talk for three hours. And it was amazing. And she's really cool. And she has a daughter that looks like me crossed with a Kardashian. It's like my face, but with like the flat, like with the, you know, the contours and the black hair. And she's really sweet. And then, and then the next night was Friday night. So we were going to meet the other one. She's like, I'm warning you about this LA one. And I'm like, what about her? She's like, she's very pious, she's very orthodox Jewish, and she's very uptight. So I'm like, I can't handle dinner with anybody.

It'll be fine. Because they were not raised together either. Not at all. So we get to this house in Chevy and Hills over by Fox Studios. It's a nice, you know, whatever, four bedroom house. And I meet her husband who's a nice guy, but he's got the beard and the payas and the black suit,

and they're like orthodox Jews. Right. And like I was bar mitzvah, but we were like bacon eating Jews. We were in it for the cornberry sandwiches and the woody Allen movies. Like we're never that observant. So, so we walk in and I walk in and she like comes kind of from a place of aggression from the moment I walk in and she goes, Scott, where's all your professional photography equipment? And I go, I didn't realize, why is that? So I go, I didn't realize I was working tonight. And she says, well, one would think if you're meeting your sisters, you'd want to take pictures.

And I literally just want like this. With your phone. Yeah. And she goes, well, that's good enough for you. I guess totally good enough for me. So now I feel like uncomfortable. And she's got two little kids. And they've got like the no makeup and the glasses

and the orthodox dresses, and I kind of feel bad for them. And so I'm not really much of a drinker, but there's that crappy, kind of concord, great, man, a chevets wine being passed around. I'm like, I better have a couple of these and take the edge off.

Now I have to pay. So I'm like, restroom, and she goes, yeah, down there at the end of the hall. So I go down at the end of the hall, and I walk in, I turn the light on and I'm peeing, and I hear blood-carling screams coming from the other room. And all I can think of is I got my private set in my hand and I'm peeing and I'm like, thinking, how rude. I can't believe she's yelling at her kids or her husband when there's company over.

How rude. And I sip up my pants and I wash my hands and I go back to the table and she's just giving me a death tear and she's like, and I go problem, she goes, why'd you turn a fucking lights on? And I go, oh, right, it's Shabbat. Sorry about that. And she goes, I just don't know how you could be so fucking stupid.

And I said, you listen to me, I'm a guest in your house, you can't talk to me like that. She goes, I just don't understand, you're Jewish. How could you be this dumb? And I'm like, I'm Jewish. I said, I'm Jewish. I eat oysters, I eat lobsters, I hunt and eat wild pigs. I'm not like you.

So we're not off to a great start. So I said, were you raised orthodox and she said, no. And I said, how did you get here? And she said, I just wanted to meet a man. It was nothing like our piece of shit father. And I go, you're 56 years older, you're still on that? You're still mad about that? She was, yeah, I'm still mad about it.

I said, let it go. Look, go, it's over. The guy's dead, let it go. She said, don't you tell me what to let it go. So anyway, so I was just like, I don't think this is gonna be a fit long term. So like 10 days later, she sends me a message on Facebook and she says, I find your sense of humor deeply,

deeply offensive. Would you mind if I had a friend of you? And I said, not at all. Oh my God. And that was that. So do you keep in touch with the Florida one? New York one. New York one.

Yeah, I do. I do. I always see them when I'm in New York. And my little niece, you know, we're in touch. Do you keep in touch with the mom? Yeah, the mom and her husband. Your mom? Oh, my mom, no.

That was just the one meeting. No, that was, that was, yeah. Yeah, that's what I husband. Your mom. Oh, my mom, no. That was just the one meeting. No, that was, that was, yeah. Yeah, that's what I hear. I had my closure. It's like, I hear that sometimes it doesn't continue and sometimes it does with siblings and, you know, it's very interesting. Well, let me just, let's get into your book one more time.

Thank you. So I just want to say you have some really great quotes from some people that you've worked with that are friends. Zoe Dashinnell writes, Scott Nathan's life reads like an reads like an east of Donkini's curb your enthusiasm. I love that. I'm not sure how he made so many bad decisions, but I'm glad he did so we can be all the entertained. Thanks, though.

Deedavon T said, Scott Nathan has been regaling me with his unspeakably filthy rock, rock-us. Rock-us., rockus stories. For decades now, I always wonder how he gets himself in these predicaments, but the truth is, he's a natural born, misfus magnet. Magnet, I mean, when we talked about,

I didn't know the adoption thing that just came out. I've known Scott Nathan for years, must say he has an almost pre- Predator natural. Predator natural, God, these words are huge. GIF for making bad decisions. Dr. Drew Penske, our friend, Jack Osborne, I thought there was no way this redhead

could get into so much mischief and debauchery, but low and behold, it's all true. I offered you for a Scott as a more charismatic, slightly more articulate for his cup. Totally, I said that. I said that like you're just in all these places. So the book is the big book of bad decisions.

And Scott Nathan is your, it's Scott Nathan photography on Instagram. Scott Nathan photo on Instagram and TikTok is Scott Nathan photo. Also on Facebook, Twitter is Scott Nathan. And the website is at baddesitionsbook.com and you can zoom in and hit that. Yeah, zoom in and we'll have this all too in the notes under this.

And thank you so much for coming. It's always fun. It's fun to talk to you. We were talking about what we're gonna talk about yesterday. And I'm like, I think we gotta hang hang up because I don't want to lie. I want it to be fresh. And we we ended up not even talking about half the stuff in plan. I never a shortage for con.

So you'll have to come back and thank you so much. Thank you. I appreciate you.