Julian Dorey Podcast - 🤣 #103 - CRACK & CRIME: An Ode To New York City | Joey Deef

Episode Date: June 9, 2022

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It was really funny because I remember like when he first got elected, he was out doing like a photo walk. And I think it was Bushwick, Brooklyn, not far from me. And they were like at the subway station and two people out in the street were getting into a fist fight. And so he's like, he like stops and they're not stopping the fight. He's like, we're going to show today like the power of the NYPD. He calls the cops to report it. It took them 23 minutes to get there. The real question is, where the fuck is Klaus Schwab?

Where's this guy been? I don't know. I haven't seen him since Ukraine got invaded. Yeah, right. I'm just saying. And also, too, I've noticed a lot of the businesses took down their Ukraine flags this month. Oh, yeah. Replaced them with some rainbow flags.

Wow, I didn't even think of that. Homo Estas? That was Chipotle's campaign. That was Chipotle's real campaign. Oh, yeah, I saw that. I might have seen that from your Twitter, that picture or whatever. Yes, I was like, BNE2? Wasn't that...

That one was old, though, right? Like, that was from years ago. I think it was from, yeah, a couple years ago. But then Bud Light had a funny one, too. It was Let's Get Beer Tonight Queens, LGBTQ+. Plus. Yeah, and they had a rainbow-colored bottle. I was like, that's funny.

But Bud Light doesn't strike me as a super gay beer, you know? plus yeah and like they had a rainbow color bottle i was like that's funny but bud light doesn't strike me as a super gay beer you know i don't think any of these corporations are super they don't give a shit green they don't give a shit that's what they're about they like money well that's what's so funny is now we're at a point where it's like it's become a meme you know like everyone knows of this thing of like oh like pride month big corporations just but i'm like they still do it that's what's funny is like they still do it now at this point of everyone kind of pushing it off like not taking it as serious it's not that like i think people just don't like when things get militant you know yeah so like pride was obviously like a very

important thing because in this country and around around the world still but in this country for a long time people were very very not accepting at all right and and all that so the history is rooted in that but in recent years it's so all over the place where now you have like jamie diamond and jp morgan changing their logo it's like dude it's like bro i worked at a bank. I remember when it was Black History Month and shit, and they're sending out all this stuff about how important it is. I'm looking around at 250 fucking white dudes. I know that the last black guy they actually hired,

they fired in two months, probably for no reason. But lecture me on Black History Month. But at least they released the new Top Gun movie. Because that's perfect for Pride Month, right? Me and my friend always argue about, what's the gayest movie brokeback mountain or moonlight i think it's top gun wait moonlights with share right no no no that um was barry jenkins it's about um a young boy coming up in like miami-dade county as a as a queer kid yeah it's a really good movie really good i'll have to check that out yeah

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By the way, he has his own segment of my contact list on my phone really like everyone on my phone is named like their actual name but not people who ronnie introduces me to really it's always like ronnie's yoke trainer dude ronnie's comedian guy ronnie's ponzi schemer ronnie's witch doctor so you're ron d's comedian guy look at that i'm the jester that's it you're the jester joey jester and johnny drinks johnny drinks johnny drinks has some pool now so yeah good place to be a jester dude i told him like you know talk to dana for me you know let me get some uh private lessons bjj you know did you see the video that they put up he and his we're talking about the johnny

drinks page on youtube and tiktok by the way in case that wasn't clear but go check it out good page but did you see the video he put up where his dad i forget what it was even about but they're in the in the training room at the ufc headquarters and it's dana and his dad just like talking about something maybe like i don't know i think yeah i think i think Dana and his dad just, like, talking about something. Maybe, like, I don't know, motivation. I think, yeah, I think so. And you just see John, like, in the foreground, like, oh, whoops. Oh, do I? Do I?

Olive. Okay, yeah. Oh, hey, like, over and over. I'm like, dude, I watched that, like, ten times. I'm like, that's the most ADD moment I have ever seen on camera. There's nothing worse, dude. The camera's rolling. So it's like you're like, what do I do?

That is a terrible situation to be in. You can't get caught on the stray, though. No, no. You got to stay out. You got to stay quick. That's why I drank a Celsius before I came down here. What is a Celsius? You know Celsius?

This is the new movement, dude. You're going to be- The Celsius movement? I'm Googling it. Dude, so it's a caffeine beverage. celsius this is the this is the new movement dude you're gonna be celsius i'm googling it dude so it's um it's a it's a caffeine beverage you know it's like an energy drink but it's like jam-packed with vitamins it has like 220 milligrams of caffeine per can the average cup of coffee's got like 120 looking to double two for five at a 7-eleven too it's a good deal i can see the

lawsuits already dude it's actually crazy though because like the last month everyone i know is drinking them i see them everywhere now and i'm like are we about to embark into the new era of caffeine consumption because they're not they're not like your typical energy drink they're way healthier than your typical energy way healthier i mean compared to like a red bull i'd i'd bet my bottom dollar they might be what was the other one five hour energy oh my god that shit was definitely cancer death right yeah yeah the death shot yeah i had i had it maybe like once to be honest too i never really like some people swore by those it won't take long to tell you Neutral's ingredients. Vodka, soda, natural flavors.

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into cardiac arrest at your desk because editing stressful already yeah you know it yeah it's like i like to have some coffee when i'm editing but like a lot of times it's just there in case i need it i end up dumping it like i don't even have it because if you get too jumpy like if i guzzle one of these right like even when i'm on'm on podcasts, by the way, a lot of times I'll drink a little bit because I take small sips. And then I'll be like, oh, shit, I wasted the whole thing. But like if you are guzzling it, you know, suddenly everything gets jittery. And then when you're editing, especially if you're like looking at all the different frames and angles and shit, like you start jumping around on there too. And then it's like it wastes time

yeah it's you you get into like a mode of like a add where you're just all over the place even just happens to me with some stuff as simple as writing if i like get too caffeined out all of a sudden i'll be on youtube watching like bohemian grove how long have you been writing? We'll talk about some of the other stuff you do. Well, I've been writing, like, fuck. Formally, since I was like 16, 17. I'm 25 now.

Screenwriting, since I was 18. That's where my main shtick was. I love writing prose and fiction. Got really into poetry throughout college because i was taking all these poetry courses for school and so i was like oh wait poetry is pretty dope poetry is pretty tight it's not uh it's not for the better term yeah like it was it was dope and so i got into that heavy and then just like writing like sketch and like stuff like that. I've been doing that my whole life.

It's just the newest thing has been like writing jokes. That's something that's been really new. It's still only like less than a year where I'm actually sitting down and like writing set up punchline or whatever, you know? It's hard, man. Yeah, it is. It's really freaking hard. But as far as just general writing for a long time english was always one of my

favorite subjects for sure because i like reading you know you might not you might look at me and be like but i do i love to read what do you like reading i love my favorite stuff is like the beats the beatniks you know jack kerouac william s barrows alan ginsburg that whole like era i'm just so fascinated by because i'm unfamiliar it was just an era when you can you can ride a train from new york to san francisco you can hop trains you and your buddies could literally go and hop trains all the way to san francisco it's just like that in itself was a crazy experience and then they just they live this bohemian lifestyle of just you know they were coming out of the military, Jack Kerouac, at least. So he was on the GI Bill, you know, he would make money, he would get money from the government. And then it was just a fucking all out frenzy of writing. And, you know, with them, they were early experimenting with drugs, like, you know, weed was only becoming a thing in you know that time or

only being discovered benzadrine back then that was like a big thing his whole claim to fame was he wrote his book on the road in like i think it was like 18 days he was just on a benzadrine bender he wrote it on one long scroll which is like at the museum in lowell massachusetts and it's just incredible and this is all like the 50s 60s yep it was incredible and so i fell in love with his work because it's just like there's it goes with jazz jazz was big to them and there's there's a beat to their writing the beatniks you know very poetic very poetic. You know what I was thinking about the other day? I had the most Captain Obvious thought ever. Oh, those are the best. Why have I never realized this?

Someone probably told me at some, some teacher somewhere had to tell me this, and I just like wasn't fucking listening. But I was like, I'm very into lyrics and like how people write them and how they bring them to life. Like I'll go read something and be like, all right, well, let's see how they actually put it in the bars right right how it ended up coming out what did they inflect what didn't they and i'm looking at it and i'm like holy shit music is just poetry with a beat dude exactly that's not even just rap i'm saying all music all music i mean dude you know a guy like bob dylan bob dylan is highlighted in so many poetry communities. Even if you go on like your Instagram and you go through like poetry pages all over Instagram, he's everywhere because there were a lot of people who didn't even dive into his music as much. They would just read his lyrics. They'd read, they'd get a book of lyrics yeah it's like uh and so that's a great example i mean even if you've

listened to this new kendrick lamar album that just came out like another great example he's he's one person i know like i i appreciate because i know you like music a lot you know i've seen you like talk about kanye all this stuff it's like all of it is a is poetry it's um it's about the things that have been carried right like i feel like a poetry is a lot about like what you've carried right and so like kendrick lamar this latest album great example this is a guy who's finally spilling all these things he's carried and have been hindering him in whatever ways yeah i don't know what i don't know what the end of that thought is but it felt good when i was saying it it felt good no it's

it's like the creative the creative curse sometimes too like when it's flushing out some of the negativity you've had in your life yet you can make it beautiful yeah because people they they relate to it you know like i i don't know sometimes i i think about how we're wired as human beings to be so pro notice negativity yeah over positivity right like you don't you don't have to hear negativity movements because everyone already is is naturally there you have to hear positivity movements because people aren't naturally there and obviously it has to do with evolution and fucking survival and right and life suffering exactly you know but it's really amazing how the most beautiful art ever comes from that place normally not always you know i listen to party in the usa right like there's some positive but i'm saying like

a lot of it even songs that have an upbeat to it they come from like lost love or like something like that you know dude because adversity breeds greatness yes and i think i'm gonna butcher the hell out of the quote but like you know james baldwin had a great quote and i remember i saw it a few days ago and it was just that like when you when you think when you're going through some really crazy shit or you're going through some really intense feelings, you know, and most of the time negative, you think that there might not have been people that ever experienced this. But then you listen to music, you read books, you watch movies, and you get to connect with people that have been here, you know, recently or a very long time ago, and they have all felt the way you feel. And I think that's a really special thing. And it's a thing I think a lot of people oftentimes overlook too right oh totally yeah they don't you can read a book and you can be like wow this is what i'm feeling so many people

have felt before and you get to see what do they do with it or how do they deal with it and i i think that's really special i think sometimes like we internalize it where we don't get in touch with that though we don't consider why this totally other life and experience that was written in this book whether it was fiction or non-fiction why we felt a connection to it we just instead say and with movies too and shows too we just instead say like oh i really like that shit's fire yeah right she's dope but the people you know like you're a very creative person i'm a creative person i feel like we lean into the why you know what's the what's what's the underlying motivate why am i watching this why am i reading this like

why does this really reach me why does this person who has nothing to do with me and a life that i can't even imagine why do i feel like there's a parallel to it yeah it's it's really cool and i and i i find it even more special when you really go back and you dig into the things that that aren't in the now you know because everyone everyone wants everyone's listening to the new you know little baby you know like it's it's interesting when you go back because there you think that there's no ways to relate because they grew up in this time that is just so different from ours now the way we've progressed in just even the last 20 years but then you go back and you're like yeah we might we might have robots that are delivering food in los

angeles on the sidewalk But at the same time, the guy in the 1950s who lost a loved one, you, you still have a lot in common with them, even if it was a completely different era in time than what we're used to now. You know, what's going to be really interesting is how this all translates through video.

Yeah. Right. So it's hard for us to relate on some levels to like Abraham Lincoln or something because they're not on video, right? Whereas you can go now as early as like John Kennedy and you can hear him talk. Now he was very early, so the quality is low.

But once you get into like the 70s and 80s we're now at this point where we're 40 50 years into it but we can relate to things visually and feel as well for sure people did because there was content sharing for the first time yeah yeah you get to look them in their eyes yeah even if it's not like actually you know speaking you do get to see what is behind them and i think yeah that's awesome you know but it's going to be even crazier because people are going to have like they're going to be watching us in 8k not even just 4k 8k not even just that like think about it 200 years from now oh i mean right like look look at how we think about the fucking revolutionary war yeah yeah those people are going to be able to watch us doing this like oh fuck wow like dude wait and they they weren't hired by like a radio station or something no no this is just independent

i think that that's like the best part of it is the way you can do things so independently now you know yeah that is just it's cool it's cool it's definitely like even a guy like you like coming up on on the comedy scene in new york city that's a competitive place right yeah yeah you have your own platforms to be able to put out what you want exactly you know there's not the middleman like there was even 15 years ago yeah no that's that's like the best part I think it's cool because now everyone, I don't know if this devalues it now because there's so much, but everyone really has a chance to leave a legacy here.

Like, and like really be able to do it. And I think that's something that a lot of people didn't get to do. And, you know, granted, what is a legacy, that's different for everyone. It could be just having a child that, you know, outlives you. But think now it's like if you if you're making something

or creating something like you have a chance now it's going to be here even when you're gone like i think about that all the time i say like if i died in the next year which you know i'll knock on wood but if i died like next year i know that like i'm i'm gone but i'm leaving behind so much whether it's you know it's poetry it's it's writing it's you know sketches it's short films it's just like i know that no matter what it's all there and that's here i was here i was here and don't forget it you know, I think you're on to something there. It's also the flip side of it is everyone thinks their legacy is on every tweet. When you say legacy, I love how you put it.

It could be just like having a kid or something like that. But that's not how most people think. They're like, I want to be the greatest. I want to be known. What do you want to be known for? I don't fucking know, but I just want to be the greatest i want to i want to be known what do you want to be known for i don't fucking know but i just want to be known man i want to be able to mint my tweet like jack did and sell it for 10 million dollars and then let it resell for 105 you know yeah you're like the big nft guy too i forgot about that yeah dude i man dude i went i went into like a manic episode

last year during the crypto bubble it was insane i look back on it i'm like jesus fucking christ i was like calling my mother i was like i might i might change industry it's like i'm hyped on chain link i might change industries i applied i applied for jobs at chain link i'm gonna put it out there yeah oh no the link mafia is that them link marines baby marines that's it no but yeah dude i was big into that it was it was dude it's you know cry i'm not gonna i'm not gonna let it go dive into that hole but it's a it's an interesting thing it's it really is it's like anything else it'll wash away the people who are full of shit which is 99.9 of people in the space yeah i mean dude i got it i got an nft for sale yeah it's it's been on the market for a year with no movement.

You got an NFT for sale? Yeah. Me and my buddy. It's on Rarible. Oh, it's not even on OpenSea. It's not even on OpenSea because OpenSea wasn't the thing yet. I was early to the game. Oh, you were early.

Yeah. Rarible was where it was at. How did that work out for you? Well, you know, it's still for sale. We haven't had any, you know. What was it called um it was it was a collaboration with my buddy um think this is yours is the name i'm trying to think don't even remember the name yeah look at you know god forbid someone's like i would love to buy it right now for people to

remember you but you can't remember the fucking name ah well i don't want them i don't want them to remember me for nfts so it's all right we got it i think this is yours is that it yeah hey i'm a new page hey i'm a new york based artist and i want to show the world my perspective on life yeah this is my buddy z incredibly original but fuck what was my thing was it just deep it might have just been deep deep geez guys i'm a fraud you had you had low uh you had low characters that's good yeah just deep if you um if you go i could i could get it for you if you go on my instagram oh no but yeah then we're just we're going down a rabbit hole here let's go down the rabbit hole go to um brand.dief it was for when oh it was a separate instagram account yeah all right so type in brand.dief brand.dief. It was for when... Oh, it was a separate Instagram page. Separate account, yeah.

All right, so type in brand.dief. Brand.dief. Did you feel so smart when you were doing this early? Dude, you can't make a rocket science guess, right? I was like, we were minting it. It costed like $100 to mint because of the Ethereum gas fees. We're like, this is worth it. This is a good investment.

There it is, right there. The middle one? Yep. Dude. Come on. Did you buy it? You're going to buy it? It's almost like I knew I wanted to tell jokes when I put this up.

I don't even know if I want to put that on the screen. No, put it on the screen. I'll put it on the screen. Put it on the damn screen. I'll put it on the fucking corner for people to see. What was the... We sold out the t-shirts. The t-shirts sold out. We sold 50 t-shirts of that so i'll say that it's simple i'll give you that

it's simple it's fairly it's a simple simple-minded maybe i don't know i'm like sitting here talking like all these big like yeah creating this that the other thing and then you pull up the work yeah i can i can leave all right it was a quick ride i could beat the 5 p.m traffic no that's good man i'm i'm uh i'm impressed with with your hustle i guess you're impressed that it got 65 likes one of which is me how much did you pay for those likes a couple eath yeah a couple eath yeah from saudi yeah it was from the saudis i do it like i got linked up with them there is this thing though now because like it is a good it's a good brand for you i just want to say that this this

right here is the example of yeah 99.9 percent bullshit it's like yeah there it is right there the biggest threat to nfts are nfters the biggest threat to bitcoin are bitcoiners certain ones right it depends on who you are it's just kind of a thing but like even on a serious note looking at the tech bubble i've always used this example with anything i'm like the tech bubble had amazon it had apple and microsoft obviously apple had been around but like they were all there they all got hurt yeah but they were real right now pets.com not so much wasn't real exactly there will be the things that shake out where it's like oh okay this is very legit but in the meantime it's really good that there is a

little bit of a reckoning going on in that marketplace right now. Oh, we needed it, dude. We needed it. Who the hell wanted another Bitcoin convention or something right now? It's like we – We get it. Let's dial it back, all right? I believe in it just as much as the next guy, but let's dial it back.

Yeah, I'm with you. But there's also like – this is good for your brand too because you're a comedian and this is like oh look at my work of art yeah and i know fiction yeah and that's exactly the that's the exact sentiment i had when i posted i didn't post that seriously wink wink what kind of drugs were you on when you made that just not no drugs just you know like you just just pot if you want to call pot a drug. That's not much. Yeah. That's not much.

It wasn't like some crazy trip where you thought this was like the fucking... Oh, my God. Dude, I would have archived it by now. I would have archived it by now. It is messaging, though, man. Sometimes I feel like we really are living in the simulation where they're just testing like the aliens are like, let's see what they'll go for oh dude a thousand percent yeah i'm supposed to wake up and go to work every day when a girl made thirty thousand dollars in january selling her farts on the internet that's

real is that the same girl that sold her tit sweat yes oh no she she she pivoted the people were like listen i i realized i've been having um problems with my lungs since inhaling your farts so could we get tit sweat you know it's crazy what's even crazier dude is like you'll see something like that right she made 30k in the month of january she was charging three grand for a jar so she sold 10 jars and then i bought it yeah oh definitely he bought it and then there's like thousands of people who like will sleep on the streets tonight it's like what uh what uh what a country we live in survival of the fittest yeah i give her credit but what is what that's the thing like you know

i'll laugh at it but like can you hate on it i guess but isn't that insane it's insane we can't dick you can't even find it in you to like hate on it because you're like well she still made 30,000 it's like yeah but selling her farts in jars she has packaging and like there's packaging she puts little rose petals in the jars it's like what are we doing folks

oh god and then you're sitting here telling me about how you're trying to build this great thing and I'm like yeah me too I'm trying to build it and it's like that's what she's doing and it's working it's like you know what though you don't have a nice set of knockers i don't you don't have those eyes that could just bring a man to his knees listen i get on a cycle of test 250 with no post uh cycle therapy i could get those knockers okay i can get some gyno going it is easier to do now i gotta say like it's still

expensive as hell but like people are they're making the shift yeah they're doing it it's great because i've noticed nowadays people are so much more open with it i forgot the one guy on instagram that just came up on discovery and he's like yeah i'm starting my uh cycle this week anivore uh trt and uh and i'm like dude jesus christ this he's just like and he has like 20 000 likes and people are like fuck yeah it's like yeah this is it now man that that's the shit i'm not like i don't i don't know what to think of that because there's a lot of like reinforcement like a lot of people liking it are like wow i guess you're being yourself like like you know that could be all it is but at the same time like society so much stuff you have to press you talk about like leaving legacies

people want to leave their legacy in every tiktok video talking about their fucking pronouns it's like yeah it's like okay you're gonna have the opposite effect on people when you do this yeah right like there's a point where when you start telling everyone like oh you oh, you, this is perfectly normal and you should all do it. And fucking seven-year-olds should change their gender. It's like, okay, scientifically, you're not really backed up by that. You know what I mean? It becomes a gimmick at a point. Because it's like every single waking moment of this, whatever it is, is being expressed in that way.

It's like, guys, when are are you gonna do the video about how you make your homemade avocado toast those were simpler times imagine wasn't it when avocado toast became a thing that was what we were celebrating or ripping that was a good time what was that like that was like the two that was like 2010 when i was like a good time right what was anything 11 12 all of a sudden you're like well yeah there was that major attack oh yeah i forgot about that but that's every year right yeah i mean it's always it's always the new thing it's just moving to the new thing but yeah you know i i think about i try to i probably fail but i try to think about things extrapolated five ten years out and like okay well what are we doing

where do we want to be in like a good civil happily progressive society and what are we doing now to get there and so when i see the stuff like that like you know there are people out there who are who are legitimately trans and stuff like that it's like a boy who cried wolf scenario now because when everyone's coming out and talking about it and like suddenly there's the latest person popping up like oh i'm transitioning like out of nowhere you know it's like you are you're putting a dent in what the people who actually oh for sure feel that for sure have been trying to like get acceptance for it because now like okay well everyone's doing it fuck you like that's what people i i hear it in the sentiment of people and i'm like i understand why you feel that way right

i mean i knew guys in college who were like yeah i'm bi and i'm like all right well have you banged a guy yet and they're like no and i'm like all right well are you by then they're like i think so i'm like well i think you should try you know you were you were you throwing a great term around before guzzling coffee i think you should go and guzzle a little bit and see if it's you're gonna back this up you know because if not there's guys that there's people out there that are that and you're just kind of discrediting all of that just like you said it's yeah exactly yeah we did but it's just too easy because all people have to do is send oh yeah now they're on the team oh yeah that's the danger yeah well people want to be on a team

right they do they do that just sounded like such a typical like rogan type exchange like that two sentences they go pop pop pop pop enter now they're on a team yeah but people want to be on a team yeah man totally totally have you read tribe i had sebastian unger was on a couple episodes ago his book is wild man it is a great book I've read that book I like that guy he's a brilliant motherfucker he's like

I don't know if he would describe it this way so this is just my opinion but I doubt he has awareness of this because he's just writing the experience and explaining it beautifully. But he represents to me a guy who values the utopian positives of socialism and libertarianism at the same time. Now, we all know neither of those things can exist in their purest form.

I mean mean some people think they can but you know like they don't make sense once you extrapolate all the way but he's like all about the value of the quote-unquote tribe and the people around you and how humans are wired to help each other out in an egalitarian type way and then also the ability to step away get in touch with nature be be a part of a society but also not feel like you're defined by the society right and i'm like i'm reading that i'm like why isn't this guy running for office i mean isn't that that's what it always comes back to right always it always comes back to that for me at least is like you like hero and you're like dude why do we never have anyone

running for office that like sounds like one of these guys it's just like but it makes sense because who the like why would any of those guys want to get involved in politics why the fuck would you want exactly it's just all a bunch of bullshit who like i asked that question who wants to do this yeah especially now maybe 10 years ago is a different question and it makes sense the kids who study poli sci you know you see it's like oh i could see why you know i guess it but and that's like a really obvious one but also like just mentality yeah like what do you have to be like you know what you're gonna put yourself through but you also know what the reinforcement of your team can get you right Right. You know, like, do I think that these...

Get you a first-class ticket on the Lolita Express, baby. Going. Little St. James. Let's do it. Let's do it. What's the deal there? So they locked up all the... Is it all the records are now sealed?

Anything that was put out in her case? After her trial, yeah. Yeah. And they're also having a really hard time selling the island, which, you know, go figure. Yeah, go figure. They're going to lower the price. I think that might get a bid. They should sell it. Well, actually, this will probably be bad because people will run conspiracy theories. But in an ideal world of no conspiracy theories, the government should buy it and use it as a nuclear testing plot. Just like that. That was an island. was called like that's harry bottom or something that's good but that was an actual they just said after world because we didn't give a fuck after

world war ii we're like you know what we're gonna take that island in the pacific and we're gonna do a test there today it's gone you had me too because for a second i'm like you're gonna be like yeah the government should buy it sell it donate the money to like sex trafficking relief or something no we're gonna buy it and we're gonna nuke the living hell out of it because it's coming soon folks it should never ever be there it's like that is a that's a on that's that whatever the opposite of sacred territory is that's yeah absolutely absolutely it should be um yeah i don't even want to take time to think about it you're right what do you think happened there who was he i i think uh i think exactly what we all think i think he was a sick fuck who was doing some really crazy things there and i just i just

think it was the classic it's the classic story that we all see in the movies and that we think like oh i wonder if that's real and it is and it's just like these that we all see in the movies and that we think like oh i wonder if that's real and it is and it's just like these powerful rich and powerful people that just can totally live above the law and they have everybody in their pocket and if they don't have someone in their pocket they can get them in their pocket very easily whether it's through the exploitation the blackmail the money everything and i just think um you know there's a lot of people that are that were involved that we still look at every day on the television or our phones and that's why we didn't really get the real answers i mean i don't know i don't think it's crazy to think anything of that sort which is just nuts

because they give you like people will think that's conspiracy or whatever i'm like dude it makes plenty of fucking sense they've left it wide open yeah it's there for you can see it and that's what and that and that's what everything that's what you're always supposed to do it's something of that sort you gotta hide in plain sight i mean that's just like classic that's textbook hide in plain sight he might have been in too plain sight though like he was nuts he just all he needed to do was get you in a room someone's got a camera he got you game set match that's it game set match that's it his his uh his property in manhattan wasn't far from my college so i seen first street i seen it yeah 71st Street. I seen it, yeah. I was telling my friend Danny Jones

when I was on his podcast, when I go back up to New York, I literally want to go stand outside that house. Like I'm not a spiritual guy like that at all, but I literally want to stand there and just be like, how fucked up is this energy right now? Dude, I couldn't agree more.

Me and my buddy always say there's something about going somewhere, and we like to call it we feel the ghosts. I like going somewhere, and I like feeling the ghosts. Everyone who's been here, and it's strange. And yeah, you would think of all places, Jeffrey Epstein's house in New York City, but there's something to be said about going somewhere and feeling the energy and looking at it and just being like,

damn, the person who used to walk out of this door every morning There's something to be said about going somewhere and feeling the energy and looking at it and just being like, damn. The person who used to walk out of this door every morning to get a coffee on the corner was literally one of the most powerful and most crazy and twisted men in the world. It's not a stretch to say, especially for you, but it's not a stretch to say at all you passed him on the street. Probably. It's like he was just walking among other people. And there's a lot of fucked up people who are less in plain sight who you don't know what it is but the crazy thing about new york is that it's such a historical place in so many different directions of good and bad yeah but when you walk around as i love it's one of my favorite things to do is walk through new york city yeah like i don't fucking take cabs there i don't take ubers i walk everywhere ask mike spear about that one but uh like you'll be walking around and you will pass things where incredible historic shit happen

and you will pass things where awful historic shit happen and you don't even know it yeah like i think michael bloomberg i think he'd like live next door to where Saddam's Iraqis used to, like, his sons or whatever, used to grab people illegally and go torture them in the basement and kill them. Yeah. It's, like, right next to the mayor. Yeah. Yeah. It's crazy, dude. Like, that's a wild thing, but it's, that's why New York is just, it's a different beast because it's been the center of the world in so many ways.

Oh, yeah. york is just it's a different beast because it's been the center of the world in so many ways oh yeah and it dude the beat the beast that it is right now is insane is yeah let's let's come back to epstein yeah because i definitely want to talk about that but like what's you've been there the whole time yeah through the pandemic all that yeah the whole thing so what's the vibe these days i mean dude it's just like it is nuts it's it feels lawless i mean that that's the word that me and my friends kept saying when we were out last monday we were shooting some stuff in the streets and like with an ak yeah we were we were mowing we were cleaning up the streets with an ak i guess you could call it but dude just like we were in the lower east

side just shooting stuff and we're like we we had to shoot in one location for like an hour and a half so like you know the perfect example you go anywhere in new york and you just sit on a corner for an hour you can really see stuff happen but like the amount of things we saw happen there was a there was a guy riding on a city bike throwing rocks like he had a bag of like rocks and he threw he was throwing them up high in the air and they'd come hitting down on pieces and we're just like watching all this stuff i'm like dude this city is hell this city is descending into hell how does it look though you know it looks it looks good in some respect i mean you see the streets are full again people are back it's back for sure new york is back i mean

the moment i saw diarrhea on the steps of the subway coming up to work one morning i'm like new york is back so they don't they're not saw diarrhea on the steps of the subway coming up to work one morning, I'm like, New York is back, baby. So they're not taking the time to shit in the actual mop bucket anymore. But dude, even just like outside of like my job, I got threatened at knife point like four weeks ago for money. Really? And all I could say to the guy was like, chill out, dude. I was so like taken aback and nervous.

And then I walked to like a traffic cop rajneesh or it was something of that sort and he was like he had my back but then wait hold on you just walked away from the guy yeah yeah because the the traffic cop wasn't far and he was just like i don't so the guy hold on let's let's go back to the scene guy's got a knife in your face i'll walk you through it i'll walk how close is he i'm on lunch okay and i'm this is broad daylight i'm on lunch, okay? Oh, no, this is broad daylight. I'm on lunch. This is broad daylight. This is another thing. Well, this is 34th and 7th, which I say, Madison Square Garden, the Port Authority, should be that nuclear test site.

They need... It needs to be condemned. It is a cesspool of just terror and garbage and hell and crack and feces but i'm the um i go to a td bank on lunch because i want to get cash out i'm like i just want to get like two dollar slices you know i don't need i don't want to go spend a bunch on lunch today i'm like let me just get a dollar slice and i see him watching me outside of the td and i'm like i knew i knew i saw him and i'm like fuck all right well you know

we've been here before and so i walk out he's like hey man can i have some money for food and i'm like no i don't have any cash after you just watch it yeah you know i i stuck to my guns and we're i'm walking and i hear him behind me just like fucking fuck i'm fucking done with this i'm done with this shit i'm like well that's usually not a good sign you know and he comes up to me he like shoves me a bit and he's like yo oh he shoved from behind he like came up on the side so he like shoved me from like here

and he's like yo I'm not playing anymore I don't give a fuck about the police nothing give me money or I'm gonna fucking stab you right now and he pulls from pocket and I'm like i was taking a i was so taken aback that i was in like a state of zen i like look at him and i'm just like chill out dude good for you and dude the best part is i start speed walking at this

cop he's clearly oh you didn't even run no i like speed walk so he's just following you with the little fuck no he like he's like kind of standing there now he's like standing and looking like oh he was bluffing oh he was definitely and he saw me going at the cop yeah i should dude in a perfect world i say chill out dude i should have been gutted you know for guys if he's really sticking to his guns and he's like i'm gonna going to stab you for this money and I just say, chill out, I should have been stabbed 30 times in the abdomen. But then what's crazy is that happens a week later, stabbing right outside my office. That's a thing. Tape and everything.

And then less than a week later. Did they die? I don't know. I don't know. There was just trails of blood. I didn't get to see it. I came down on lunch. I'm darkly laughing, by the way.

Oh, it's going to get better. And then less than a week later, like five days later, I saw the... I've never seen a crime scene in my life so crazy, but like across the street. This is all in the same area, across the street. We're still by Madison Square Garden. Yeah. They have all of... And I was on 36 i said

34th and 7th i was that was 36th and 7th before there's usually a million cops there though i mean you said the one was close not really you know so there's they hang out they're on their phones you know a lot of them are traffic cops which they're not actually cops that's mall security yeah it's mark walberg and yeah the other guy That's Kevin James and Paul Blart, mall cop. Yeah, step down. But the other day, they had all of 37th Street between 7th and 8th Ave, the whole entire street, shut down. The evidence cone that I saw on the corner next to a pile of blood, that was number 34. So that was just the one i

could see you look at the block there was cones everywhere what happened 6 45 a.m two you know crackheads get into it and they get into a fight and they both stabbed each other to death dead oh on 37th it was crack on crack crime crack on crack crack crack on crack crime it's like a tongue twist almost dude i'm just sitting there i'm like dude this is only happened in two weeks in this one little area we're going this city is going to hell it's not good it's not good and i only i think that it's only going to make way for like another like giuliani type mayor to come in the future i don't know that might be a stretch but like i don't think so this is things have not been good it's not been good we can never get a middle grounder man no it goes from giuliani to well eventually de blasio right like that's how

society seems to or stop and frisk bloomberg to de blasio right and and neither is right de blasio you might as well have had a mango sitting at the desk. Just a piece of fruit. Did you watch his videos during the pandemic? Yeah, the hamburgers. The hamburgers if you get vaccinated. Oh, that's so good. I'm like, Jesus Christ, man.

And then Adams. Everyone was like, oh, maybe this will work. But no, it didn't. It's not been working. What's the deal there? I kind of liked him. I liked him too. And I thought it was really funny because i remember like when he first got elected he was out doing like a photo walk and um i think it was bushwick brooklyn not far from me and they

were like at the subway station and two people out in the street were getting into a fist fight and so he's like he like stops and they're not stopping the fight he's like we're gonna show today like the power of the nypd he calls the cops to report it it took them 23 minutes it's just like dude you can't make it up you can't make it up you can't make it up i am of the belief though that these days the mayor of New York calls zero shots. I don't think de Blasio is even smart enough to call a shot and not to give him any credit whatsoever. But I'm like, they're telling him what to do. Someone's telling him what to do.

What's been cracking me up is there's a slew of videos on Instagram of people just running into him at a bagel shop. And they're like, go fuck yourself, bro yourself bro you fucking suck you ruin this fucking city you cock sucking motherfucker and he's like have a good day have a good day and like go fuck yourself he's running for rep now i know i know i mean i listen i say all of this but like i love new york city i love it there i do too man i miss it so much all this filthth. I feel like I'm like Charlie and it's always sunny. Like I love the trash, you know? Yeah, you live in the, like you were talking about with the authors. You live in the misery of it.

Yeah, yeah. I honestly, dude, like I love being home in the burbs, but I can only stay for so long until I'm like, I need a little chaos. And I'm not some nut. I don't want to be in the knife fight, but I do want to walk from a block away across the street. Yeah, I want to, you know. Well, you got a little close last time. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Like, how many of those do you think you get? Five before they finally pull the trigger? Well, I stay strapped now, dude. Oh, you're strapped. If they want to try me, your boy's going to get them. What are you strapped with? I'm strapped. I got a little blade of sorts.

What kind of blade? I'm not going to incriminate myself because it might not be up to standards with new york city law what are the new york city law standards it's um your blade can't have a locking mechanism a what they already got me on that a locking what does that even mean like you know like if you like open the blade and it locks and then you have to like push the great so carry around a machete problem solved well the blade better be four inches or shorter because that machete would not be within ordinance either all i'm saying is like they took down those planes with box cutters damage can be done oh for sure dude i mean it just listen it comes down to like if you're in a life or death situation the only

thing that sucks man is like god forbid that did ever happen i'm still going to jail i'm still probably going to go to prison somehow i don't know if that would get dismissed it's a it's a tough sell which makes that that's a part that makes me hate the city because then on the way down here i pull into town and it says you're now in god's country don't drive through it like it's hell and i'm like these are the signs we need in our city baby you know dude there's like because like i always say to people if you look at the map of new jersey you ever seen the one where they rewrite all the segments no i haven't oh my god you're from new jersey i've never seen you've never seen this oh are you saying like they label oh yeah yeah yeah yeah like they'll be like they'll

like take one town in the south and be like pork roll and then they'll be like oh what an idiot that guy is yeah i know what you meant here we go all right i got it pulled up it's really small text i'm gonna read it i'll put it up on the screen there and hopefully we can see it maybe you can read it better but i always explain to people you see where what's the blue one say right there zoom in on chrome a little like a like a little bit okay this with a command plus. Google Lens. Yeah, yeah. Here we go.

That's exactly what we need. Oh, fuck. We don't want that. Are you kidding me? What's going on here? Is it because of Google Lens? Wait, wait. We're going to refresh this page.

Yeah. I swear I've done this before. We're going to get it. We got it. All right, here we go. Folks, blue chew. All right, so on the blue part what oh what do they do what are they doing hold on you got to open up the actual page yeah yeah go to the link

we're gonna go to the now we're gonna zoom here we go all right i already saw what it is the blue area farms and army bases yeah which actually i i forgot that's right there they they separate that and they put like the bottom hook of that. That's not right at all. Like that's not even slightly right. It falls more into happy white families, you're saying. Yeah. So like there's basically like the heart of South Jersey outside Philadelphia is happy white families besides worse than Detroit.

Yeah, by Camden. But right here where we are from Center City, Phillyilly i do it in like 24 minutes right but we are on the top tip like the literal the tip is in almost pretty much alabama of pretty much alabama wow so when people come here i'm like now if you drive 90 seconds that way you're in civilization again but this one stretch of road you got it that sign has probably been there for 40 years it said welcome to god's country then you got dude there's another one this is my favorite one there's a house that has like a giant i don't even know it's not even a banner it's like it's like a lot it's literally a log cabin and the whole front

lawn is just trump one oh those are great dude those are great stop the count oh no we got one oh boy no dude that's hilarious but i will say though like driving down like it's like it's nice like it really like it's nice to just drive and just see some land listen to some i i'm definitely i'm gonna be pulling over on the ride home just and just sitting like for 10 minutes and just getting some of that yeah on the jersey turnpike no not even like on the ride home and just sitting for 10 minutes and just getting some of that. On the Jersey Turnpike? No, not even. Like on the roads near your house, like these back roads, I'm going to just pull over and just look at the field.

You bring some sativa down with you or something? A little sativa, yeah. A little sativa. That was good. You're good. You got a good Sebastian. A little sativa. My father only smokes a teva.

Like, you don't smoke any, do you? What the hell is going on? That's good. I'm impressed. But yeah, man, I'm going to do that because it's nice. You know, it's obviously the thing that everyone says when you're out of place. Oh, I need to get out of the city for a weekend soon. I really need to get out soon.

I've been saying that and then they're at mr purple like go go you know but it is true i'm like man it's nice it's nice it's it's definitely i'm a city guy for sure so i get a little sick right so you're here for a long time so you're like longer time so you're like i gotta get out but i also don't leave the studio like in this current time period. Well, yeah, because you're fucking grinding. Yeah. So it's like, but sometimes like I'll go to the food store and I'll look around and I'm like, I'm glad these people are all happy.

Like I'm so happy for you. But I'm like, how the fuck do you do this? Right. How the fuck do you live here? And like, just do this. Story of my motherfucking life, friend shit man i'm working a job i'm working a job right now for the time so because of all the the scotland stuff that we're gonna we'll get into later but because of all because of all of that freelancing had slowed down with film and tv and all that and i was like you know what i need to

get something more full-time, more steady, so I could really put some cheddar away for that big trip and also the expenses that came along with the theater, all that stuff. And so I'm working this job right now, a nine-to-five, eight-to-five job. And I sit in it every day, and I look at everybody, and the topic of conversation is,

it's almost five. A couple more hours, boys five a couple more hours a couple more hours boys and then at five it's we did it boys we did it and then the things that get look forward to is happy hour on fridays going out on the weekends and like i just sit there dude and it's like you hate to sound pretentious but i'm like guys what the fuck are you doing there's gotta be there's gotta be way more than this you know listen i i think and i don't hate because if that if that makes you happy right dude do it the fuck up right it's just not for me there's a lot of people though who claim it makes them happy and in reality they're looking for that Friday at 5.

And when it's done, they're like, I can't believe I got to do it over. Yeah. You know when it happens? It happens when they get home at like 1230 that night. And they have that 20 minutes before they fall asleep when it's just them and their thoughts and they're drunk or whatever. And it's just like. Do I even like my wife anymore? Yeah.

Probably not. She probably doesn't like me either. This job sucks. I get another day of this and then i'm back there monday i mean i'm even doing i'm doing that now i'm like sitting here with you today i'm like all right we're gonna crush this today have a great time drive back up you know to north jersey go back to the city then i'm like fuck i gotta go do that bullshit tomorrow the only difference is i get to look at it as like, all right, four more weeks of this, and then I'm performing every day in Scotland.

Yeah, you're fun and you have life here. Yeah, I have that thing, that light at the end of the tunnel where it's like these other people are just caught on this wheel, this gerbil wheel. That's what it is. It's a hamster wheel, man. Hamster wheel, yeah. Fucking, you know, like, I always thought, like, if I had gone into acting or something, I actually would have liked pieces of doing the waiting tables thing and stuff. Because it's a part of the, you're funding what, you're working a job where it's cash, part time, and it pays high because you don't tell the government about it. And you're funding your dream. You're funding what you're doing.

Like, that is a rush but if i were just going there and i were just like another day waiting tables and that's that's what it is it's sad that's how i feel about it for me it is for me at least and maybe to other people yeah it's not so i respect like i don't i've only ever lived in my brain you know what i mean like so i i'm respectful of it but i do know because i talk to mean? I'm respectful of it, but I do know because I talk to people too and they'll tell me that. I do know so many people who are like, I can't believe

I'm just a cog on the wheel just doing this over and over and over again. I just want to say to them, but I don't I'm not an advice guy. I'm an idiot, so you shouldn't listen to me. Same. I want to be like listen you can find a way like just there you have resources dude it's just they just don't want

to deal people just don't want to deal with the discomfort you know like like just like that's what it comes down to but like to your point it's like you find some greatness in those moments of having to go wait tables because this is what you're doing but it all goes back to adversity breeds greatness this is gonna george clooney didn't stop waiting tables until he was fucking like 41 or 42 years old dude and then it worked how did they miss that man he is a good looking dude but that's why it worked out the way it did i guess they missed they missed them for a long time but whoa when they found them i mean fucking ocean baby look at him now look at him now and he's still a handsome motherfucker it's like some people are just gifted with that man yeah god bless like he gets better looking as he gets older

i'm gonna need i'm gonna need some celebrity ship to help me out you know i know a few guys get some veneers in my teeth you know get the get the you know celebrity dermatologist guys dude i get on some trt i'm i feel like such a basic bitch i technically started what i had because like i gotta look at myself on camera right i'm already ugly so i'm like we're already working with nothing here and i had a i started to notice because the lighting i got a little brighter in here and then i've just had hairs that grow like right here so you're just like i'm like oh no we can't have that so do you get it waxed oh no no i did better i called up my cousin kim's place right and i'm like i'm like listen whatever you do with those laser beam shits i need it on my face she's like got you got you so i went to ageless skin and

beauty out there in washington township shout out we're gonna send jim d'oreo there too to get his he still shaves his head every day i'm like it's commitment dude we're gonna laser the fuck out yeah get it done laser it but they they take it out you know so yeah yeah now i'm back to like a soft five good yeah i went down to a four we saw the depths and now we're back to a five there is it there adversity breeds greatness all right you're gonna end the discount from kim for the family when you're finally at 10 you're gonna look back on the days of being a hard four or a soft five you're gonna be like wow look how far i've come i'm a six now yeah i'm a six fuck six and a half and i'm with a 10 because my net worth quintupled since 2019 so you know you want to talk about happiness though some of the people

i used to see come come into contact with at my old job when i'd see the typical 55 year old with the 25 year old chick i'm like there's no way that gucci is worth all that honey i know i know you don't love your life i know you just take funny instagrams and tell people it's great but you don't love it listen i'm not a gay man all right but i could tell you this much i can't imagine those old saggy balls hitting up against the backside being worth the Gucci purse. Take a breath. But seriously, I can't imagine it. Gucci's nice.

I think coffee just went through my nose. Guzzler. Guzzler. How does that conversation happen, by the way way you just have friends come up to you like yo i think i'm bi bro in college well dude uh the college i went to i was one of 35 straight be honest i went to a really progressive college like uh marymount manhattan college very small school like 1800 people yeah it's like a literary i met i met a mutual friend there jordan jordan belver no jordan coop oh jordan rowe coupe yeah coupe yeah she went there she went there her

freshman year i was friends with her and then she transferred because you know she was smart she was like yeah i can't she went to rowan she went to houston you want to know what the problem was with me is i went to monmouth my freshman year, and I'm like, I got to get into the city and start chasing the film stuff. And so then I went there for film school. Oh, you did it backwards. But then I was there, and I'm like, listen, am I going to transfer again? Am I going to go through all that? And I'm like, no, not really.

It's a lot. I was already in New York. The most important thing was being in New York. I don't regret it. I never regret it because I made so many great connections, met so many great people. But, you know's it's a it's a nice little running joke i get to have with myself of my school was it's a hell of a place

hell of a place well you stood out there yeah it's always good but you know i'm also the kind of guy that like in all seriousness like i don't give a shit about any of that of course like i there were people i knew who were like dude i don't know how you do it how do you even sit in the classroom and fix your ears and i'm like dude it's like i don't care who gives a fuck dude more people need to be like that yeah the day i let that dictate my mood is the day you could put the bullet in the back of my head like come on people get so bothered by it and like i was saying earlier with some different stuff like it's just reinforced by social media right i get it. You know, we haven't.

One side or the other, like both extremes. We have such an interesting audience of listeners here from across the political spectrum. And then, you know, there's even some who are strong left wing and some who are strong right wing. And I'll get some of the some of the DMs from them, like sending me posts and stuff. And I'm just like, hmm. This is why you don't want your whole feed to look like this because even if even if they make a good point sometimes i'm like this just it ups the discourse right there's only so much i can do to speak in the third person julian dory is a podcaster right like i'm not here to change the world right i control what i can control i will

talk about issues guests will come on here and talk about issues as you should right but it's not like i'm not gonna sit here and be like we're going to war like everybody now to me like we haven't had a war where it's a draft in fucking 50 years and so all these people they've been growing up in the golden age of comfort and everything and people talk like they want a war because men need war right and so they turn their war into their social feed of like fucking ben shapiro talking to the pod save america guys it's like dude right relax it's just like dude it drives you into a frenzy you know it will drive you into a frenzy my feed nowadays it's prairie dogs and sea otters, and life has not been better since that. I might get a prairie dog soon.

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he wasn't one of the two you just would love him because like was he no no no no he he outlived that battle okay you would love this guy because his content is hysterical but it it's it's so based in reality because it talks about like some of these real ass conspiracies and i'm not talking like the crazy i'm talking just like stuff like you know the meth use in in nazi germany within the nazi party hitler and he makes all these about history but the videos are hysterical is this it no no yeah i was gonna say that's definitely not it how do you spell it he might i guess he must spell it in like a strange way is that it yeah kenosie that's probably how it's spelled jinx oh i've seen

you like this guy's posts yeah and he just makes he makes some of the funniest funniest content it literally kills me some of the videos people put on twitter i just start fucking crying like they're the level of creativity that people have to like respond to shit is unbelievable oh dude but it's also like it makes things worse i mean i'm a hypocrite for liking it because like people that's what people respond to they respond to a quick bit of like 30 seconds of comedy that turns like the war in ukraine into a meme it's like yeah fuck yeah yeah god damn literally dude and then like there's like people dying like literally you know but you know that's a whole other thing like how desensitized we are to everything i know i have such a dark sense of humor that like it really it does bother

some it has bothered people i think about like i'm like dude if i actually spoke up sometimes at my school about like some of the dark things i found funny i would have probably caught a lot of flack oh yeah you know you'd be dead in a ditch somewhere yeah literally but instead you know you leaned into it i didn't pander too hard i pan i might have pandered a little no but you lean it you lean into it on your own yeah oh yeah on my own damn time behind closed doors well i mean just go in my room and start yelling slurs and stuff listen i'm kidding i was gonna let that one pass but you didn't laugh at it and i'm like no wait that was a joke guys i don't do that i was like are we gonna all right that was funny we'll go with it

sometimes i'm like i'm the the lights take a second to go upstairs on my decision of laughing it is true i do think about it's a story in my life are we there okay yeah we're there it's a go the applause signs on let's get everyone's going through your filing cabinet in your brain like in that episode of spongebob yes wow what a show that show's still funny yeah i've been watching it a bit recently it's i've been watching a long time but like it's still i'm like i as an adult i can laugh at oh for sure dude patrick star fucking one of the best something did you ever see the gif of i call it jif or gif either one jif i'm a jif guy too whatever i'm both but you ever seen the one of iron man where robert downey jr is at the press conference and he says i am i am the iron man or whatever and it flips to the crowd of all the people taking pictures

and there's just patrick star yeah yeah those are great dude that that was its own phase for like two months sorry he was in everything. Something else, man. What a fucking... It's crazy that some of this stuff's still free. You know, I say it all the time. I'll be like, how is Twitter still free? Yeah, and like you see... Granted, they have like super follows and stuff now,

so I guess it's not fully... Yeah, what does that even mean? I don't know. I saw that. I'm like, I'm not clicking that. Isn't it crazy the way just like everything, it always comes back. It's always going to just be about ads or like some sort of revenue it's a businessman he wants to make money

they don't want you tweeting with your twitter fingers what do you think of elon with this though it's such a dude it's so funny because i've talked to people where like i asked them that question and i expect them to be like awesome and they're like i think it's terrible and i'm like wow really where i stand i mean i'm into it i'm into it i think there's definitely going to be some cons i think the way the way he's able to make a tide turn with the snap of a finger you know that's something you do have to keep in mind even if you support the guy because it's like sure you might support now but what happens in 10 years or if he's influenced by this or that but overall i mean i think i think it'll be good i mean for like where where it is now the way free speech can get censored you know i don't know i

try not to be one of those people that puts so much energy into thinking about it you know even early coming on and just be like we need to you know but i do believe i but i do believe in free speech so if that's going to help it let's do it well that's the difference too like there's the people who get self-righteous about everything in one direction or another but like it's an important conversation like just to just to philosophize on it my whole thing is like you know i i think matt kemanashi's been on this podcast asked me about it like the day after and i on the spot like this was my response and i to this day i think it was how i feel i'm like normally in a normal world if you told me that the on paper richest man in the world we know saudi arabia has some richer people but on paper the richest man in the world bought a preeminent platform pillar of what is the public square whether it was meant to be that way or not it is i'd be horrified right and so in theory i

am horrified right then again jeff bezos owns a newspaper carlos slim is it carlos slim owns the new york times like whatever it is like all these people mark zuckerberg controls technically you know it's a public company facebook and instagram and stuff so like i guess like a bunch of wrongs can make a right maybe but not really like we know that's not how it works over time so i would be horrified instead our world is so fucked up right now where you have to end up defending people you don't want to defend strictly for the problems of human nature where slippery slopes lead things to happen that you don't intend when you do things like take away speech. That we are now at a point where it's like, well, I'm fucking glad a guy is taking it private. But I'm glad that you also say like, all right, we're going to have to see what it is because as i've said before i'm a fan of people i'm a hype man of people yeah i'm not i try not to be a fan boy of people yeah because when you do that you have no ability to recognize right and wrong of

what they do yep so elon's on the wall obviously i admire the guy admire what he's done he's here smoking a fucking joint right there you know what i mean i i like that a lot but like he's now said some things i'm gonna hold him to it right you know like that like and and if that means like he starts like by the way the other day maybe this was a couple weeks ago i don't know it all blends together but he said something like um like he talked about how he's voting for republicans and stuff and i'm like that wasn't smart because now you're giving them what they want yeah you're giving everyone exactly you know what i mean like just do it just fucking do it do it and not make a headline out of it and don't talk shit on on on everyone about it because you're supposed to be the passion of free speech

that's why you're doing it right yeah so be a centrist right when i see stuff like that yeah i am gonna call them out for it but you know if it ends right? Be a centrist. Right. When I see stuff like that, yeah, I am going to call them out for it. But, you know, if it ends up going through, which that's a whole other thing too, but like if it does, it's certainly – Twitter got to a place where they had nothing but themselves to blame. Yeah. Yeah, man. Even just like your whole – the first point you made of like looking – just looking at it from like the simplest way of looking at it is on paper the richest man in the world is purchasing the public square. Right. And that's definitely something to be worried about. My friend Danny just had on a guy.

I think the episode is coming out. Maybe it came out. I don't know. I got to go look. But he just had on this dude Barrett something if you google Barrett 50 Cal no the intercept Barrett

if people out there listening google that he'll come up he was he's a wild child like he's definitely crazy but he was a reporter who was thrown in prison for five years three for five years for three four or five years for leaking what what's uh george friedman's tech company like his oversight company i forget what it's called i'll look it up in a minute not not palantir which is peter teal but there's

another one another big one that like is spying on people and shit and he leaked a bunch of documents from it and then went to jail and he was then a reporter for the intercept but he's a huge drug addict like openly and does heroin and stuff like he's had a lot of problems but he's talking about all this and he's of course like fuck all these people fuck elon musk and everything but one thing he said is like he hates Peter Thiel. Hates him. And he's like, Peter Thiel is – Danny was telling me about this. So I hope this is exactly like I heard it right. But Peter Thiel is behind anything like that Elon is doing.

And I think that's an important point because I'm looking at this and I'm like, yes, on paper, can Elon afford to pay for this how he has? But I haven't done the deep dive on what he said in the proper disclosure documents. I wonder how much money is being siphoned into him by like Peter Thiel who did convince him to do this. And there you go. And that's a new problem created is now it's not just Elon. Right. And Peter Thiel is very open. Like he's more of a right-wing guy

you know he donates to all those causes and stuff but then he's also like he's running a company that spies on everybody yeah scary yeah you know i i just we're gonna have to see it play out like anything else it's like we make things old in two minutes the war in ukraine was old three weeks into the fighting yeah wars usually last five ten years that's why you know when it's when it's all said and done we'll we'll just hop on truth social is that the worst name of a platform you've ever seen in your life it's just such it's such like a vin that's such a vintage trump idea cracks me up if i wanted if i hypothetically were a foreign entity who wanted to sow discord in the united states and i wanted to either knowingly or actually let's say unknowingly use different

politicians let's say all the big ones as assets yeah i would take a guy like trump and i would say you are going to trademark the word truth truth is now going to be a right-wing idea because you are going to put it at the center of what you say and do and now people are going to look at the word truth like the words dude and be like oh no that must be some false rumor shit because it's a trump word yeah but it's kind of becoming like that it kind of is becoming like that yeah which is like it's it's strange like the the idea of the search for truth is becoming almost like associated with like conspiracy theories right wing alt-right pepe the frog yeah some of that's running out though because by just i'm keeping track of the math at home in my head. I'm not too smart.

But, you know, by my math, that means that 95 percent, 97 percent of society is like all right wingers now. Yeah. You think so? Because because anyone who questions a goddamn thing. Right. Oh, well, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

The only people not questioning anything are the same 10 people with a blue checkmark on Twitter who are at the top of the feed every time something's trending. Right. No, no, that's the best way to put it then, yeah. Everyone's majority is literally a right-winger then by that definition. I mean, they went to cancel J.K. Rowling. They went to cancel Noam Chomsky. Noam Chomsky. Right-winger. I plan on right winger when I'm in Edinburgh I plan on going to the coffee shop

where J.K. Rowling wrote the first Harry Potter and I plan on standing outside of it and protesting that's what I'm gonna be doing are you gonna

are you gonna have a broomstick yeah I'm gonna I'm between my legs I'm gonna be like swinging it back and forth and be like

get out of Edinburgh you have those rounded glasses too and you put a little little scar on your forehead yeah i'm gonna and i'm gonna be doing it like in a mirror and it's gonna be backwards and it's gonna somehow be a swastika and then they're gonna be like oh no he's charles manson who also might have been a cia asset oh i totally buy into that dude i don't i re i read

helter skelter and then like started watching like some of the some videos on it i'm like totally could have been a psyop did you hear that rogan podcast like a couple years ago with the guy tom green tom green no i don't think so i might i might have i might have i might have seen it like back then that was like 2016 no no this was like it was i think it was at the beginning of the pandemic the guy is it tom green or tom i probably fucked up the last name but he wrote the book chaos about the manson thing i know i know what you're talking about i watch i watch like 45 minutes of that dude that podcast was unbelievable and i read the book after yeah i want to read that that's on my list chaos i'm like if 50 of this is

true holy shit but i mean his reporting took for people who don't know his background the guy took 20 years to do an unexpected book and actually lost every like he was worth no money was getting no he was like on food stamps almost but this story it was supposed to be a little piece reflecting in 1999 on the 30 year anniversary of the manson murders and then this as he started to interview some people he fell into some shit and he was like wait a second what do you mean by that and then it became this whole thing and he very long story short uncovered a lot of the ties between mk ultra the cia and manson and also the fact that like the

prosecutor vince bugliosi it was it was one of those times where they did get the guy responsible like the result of the main guy in the trial they sent him to jail he did all this shit absolutely true but the way he did it covered up for everyone else who was involved. So he got a result. Sounds very familiar. Mr. Jeffrey Epstein. Yeah, he got the same result. He got the desired result for the headline, and he got the right result at the top of the food chain,

but he actually made a fully, not fully, but very false case and then also covered up all the other people. Nuts, dude. but very false case and then also covered up all the other people nuts dude i mean dude i i haven't i haven't gotten like super super super deep into mk ultra i've gotten like i've touched the surface i i did find a lot of the jim morrison stuff very interesting with his father his father had ties with the cia i don't know about this yeah Yeah. Explain that. His father had ties high up in either the CIA or the FBI. It's gotta be the CIA. And they're... This whole thing of, like, Jim Morrison

manipulating the hippie movement and the music of the Doors feeding into all of the MKUltra stuff. And he's been dead for a long time. Yep. Yep. I'm gonna have to... Everyone gives me new rabbit holes to go down don't take my word for it but you know do the research yourself do the research yourself guys that's fucking like do you ever think about like if they came up with some of

the mind control chants or whatever like oh if we put this sequence of notes together with these words we can get people to do things and then you think about music and you're like oh if we put this sequence of notes together with these words we can get people to do things and then you think about music and you're like oh my god was jimmy hendrix in the cia yeah dude all of that stuff think about it the the hippie the hippie movement was such a quintessential part of all that the way people were being influenced by lyrics and the performers of our time you know and drugs and drugs lsd you know which And drugs. And drugs. A lot of drugs. LSD, you know? Which the CIA was studying. Exactly.

So that's why it's like, it makes sense. It makes sense. This whole thing though, where people are like trying to, like I've had one or two people on here who were coming on for something else and then they turn out to be like also big time. MKUltra experts or something. Not even that.

They're like big time libertarians. And I'm like, okay, all right, right here we go and they start talking about it and the one question i have is everyone wants to talk about they're making us all communists and i'm like all right well i don't agree with that but i do see like some poor societal trends that are control-based trends yeah yeah and when i look at it from the element of the fact that these same people are also yelling like the cia is behind all of it i then ask the question i'm like if there's one thing we do know about the cia it's that their literal existence has been founded on anti-communism like their fascism that's what they want right so like are what are they really doing here if they're putting out your quote unquote communist principles and like trying to infect with the mind virus and all that and get

people to be like all egalitarian on everything no matter what and cancel the people who aren't is it really just to then push everyone hard the other way so then they run the government through that like through the other end of it like a right wing type thing yeah it's a good point if i were a spy doing some deep spy shit i'd be like watch these motherfuckers they're all gonna like say all this shit and talk about how there's no such thing as a gender it's gonna turn off enough people over time and boom now we're back in that's a good that's very very very valid point of thinking only time will tell only time will will tell when New York's underwater. They're building.

Do you know about that? I got to ask you this first. Now you need to answer this honestly. All right. All right. You saw an inconvenient. Yeah, hold your hand. Right hand of God.

You saw an inconvenient truth. As you have the OJ shirt on. That's good. Yeah, I have the gloves on. You know what I mean? You saw the inconvenient truth or an inconvenient truth the documentary Al Gore did in 07. Right, That's good. Yeah, half the gloves out. That's good. You know what I mean? You saw the Inconvenient Truth, or Inconvenient Truth, the documentary Al Gore did in 07, right? Right, right, right, yeah. I believe he said, I wrote my sixth grade paper on that.

I believe he pointed at the map and clicked a button, turned to the audience for effect, and he's like, that's Manhattan. Clicks it. That's Manhattanattan in 2012 and that's water and i look at that and this is part of the reason why now there's a lot of people who are like total climate change deniers because they're like none of this happened but i'm like in 2012 technically for like three days was manhattan not underwater sandy admit it admit it admitted it it's true it's true it was it's true the point is it's bullshit because it wasn't well yeah but now they're building land off of like i want to say it's like uh near like the staten island ferry i always forget is that battery park i think that's battery park they're building land on water they're gonna extend the island down more as like a way to combat because like downtown manhattan financial district is what

would get hit first if this were to happen like that's the first place that's going to get wiped out and so they're building uh i'm not doing it justice but they're building land on the tip of manhattan towards that way towards the statue of liberty and they're gonna as a way to combat that so that'll be a nice little bustling community let's see what it is like how much space are we talking disease have you ever even heard of that is that like a real source manhattan island extension could provide homes for 250 000 people yeah the way it would come off the the southern tip near the financial district but this is from january 2022 it's talking about someone proposing it they're already doing it no i don't know I don't think they're already doing it.

Okay. I think this is greenlit, though. That's the fastest anything's ever been greenlit in New York in my fucking life. Yeah, well. Four months. Go figure. Rutgers professor Jason Barr has proposed adding 1,760 acres of reclaimed land named New Manhattan toattan to the tip of manhattan to provide housing and combat climate change called new oh he wants to name it as a separate neighborhood no no new

manhattan manhattan manhattan in reference to the oh my indigenous name oh yeah i just got a new place in new manhattan actually yeah our whole foods we're just doing it for like the indigenous people you know this is but like if you want to piss off all the people in central fucking the united states name it new manhattan and say that's why it's just like once again it just doesn't get any better than this you just can't make it up and you know it's gonna be like it's gonna be like streets paved with gold a whole foods on every corner a yoga place a hot yoga and you're gonna go there you're gonna be like if this is where we're heading we're done you know it's nuts it's already enough with soho and now like i'm a soho girl i'm a new manhattan girl and she's gonna be wearing like indigenous

tribal garb and you're gonna be like well that's that's not right that's kind of cultural appropriation yeah but it's like for the indigenous like this is our community do i donate six hundred dollars a year to the indigenous people oh no i think a lot of people do cultural appropriation by calling out cultural appropriation oh yeah right yeah they'd like dig themselves the hole because they find it in things that aren't so it's like well who's really culturally appropriating here because you're the one taking ownership of it and you're some fucking white dude well did you see did you see the clip of chet hanks on uh

i think z-way her show incredible hysterical amazing pull that up i don't know if we're allowed to play that that's i was crap he was cracking me up it may be it may be protected content so if people you hear a little break just go check this out but type in chet hanks z way z i w e and you'll see the clip where he was doing the patois that that is a man, I will say this about Chet Hanks, he does have no shame. And I respect that. I respect that. I respect it a lot. And he's a pisser, man.

He is a fucking pisser. I really, honestly, I'll put it out here in public. I don't care. You know, chastise me. I hope to see him do something more in entertainment. Fucking incredible. He's pretty funny. He was in Curb Your Enthusiasm.

Was he really yeah the episode where um jeff's daughter suzy which is great or not suzy um i forgot sammy she's married she's like dating a vet and larry doesn't thank him for his service oh that was chet hanks and suzy's like are you fucking kidding me laugh oh that was chad hanks yeah you don't thank him for his fucking service larry you bald fuck what a show oh my god what a show and show all right what a fucking show let's see if we can play this real quick and again if you don't hear it we'll be back right after so you introduced the world to your jamaican accent on the red carpet of the 2019 golden globes big up big up the whole massive it's your boy chetana coming straight from the golden gloves your words here do you feel like you inspired a generation of boys white boys particularly to use to speak in patois i don't

know i think i did kind of make the patois accent more like a little more trending, I guess. I think I was like, I mean, like. Such a white boy thing to say. Jamaican culture itself and Caribbean culture itself, which is obviously very, you know, vibrant. I was like the first person to like kind of like get in the conversation. Like just recent times. I did it first. Can I say some Patois words to you?

Tell me what you think. Small up yourself. Huh? You know what small up yourself means in Patois? Smile or small? Small up yourself. Small. Do you even speak Patois?

I mean, not really. Not really? I was, like, the first person to, like, kind of, like, give a conversation. I just know a head tilts kill me three things tings you know a couple two or three tings what does that mean to you you can't really put it in words well it's beyond it's beyond it's beyond words you can't put it in it can't be contained wow wow it's bigger than that dude i i gotta tell you she does a way different model than i would ever do but she is just fucking like i saw these clips maybe like a month and a half ago i found the one with charlamagne that came up and i'm like what is this and the studio is obviously like glitzy and glammy and

i'm watching i'm like she's good man dude is that the one where he compares himself to martin luther king is that the one you talked with charlamagne i i definitely watched one where she asked him about that she's like you've compared yourself to martin luther king it's like hold on a minute man i did not i i don't want to see people bring the thup and i'm listening to him like oh shit she's coming for all this but she went with the one the first one i saw was she's like you've been an enemy of black women everywhere you get in fights with all of them do you think that has to do with something in your childhood or something like that i'm like fuck and then it's funny and you're like oh okay i guess she went after hannibal too on his episode like about how he's a landlord or something oh with the sunglasses yeah oh that was hysterical she's just like yeah so do you like

being a landlord and you know you know fucking people over it was something like along those lines and he's like well i don't technically own property because like when you're dead property's still there it's not going anywhere i'm just renting it yeah and then he put on this he put on the sunglasses and she's like what are you doing and he's like i knew what you were trying to do yeah and so if i just put on these here sunglasses i'll block out all everything close my eyes and not be affected by this entire situation yeah yeah yeah i was like that's good i almost wore my sunglasses for this because i was like you could have stayed you know you should have been like gunner quavo up in here i had i

had a beck lover in here that guy walked in here with some fucking mirrors on wow it actually affected he did he never take them off he took them off after about 14 minutes okay it was but they were like you know he's already got a big head yeah huge huge head but then like the fucking sunglasses are like half his face and i'm like those i don't know if those will ever be topped in here yeah you might win already you're gonna have to get some real like more funky characters in here to try and beat that it's fucking nuts you know who's actually like really funky though i've been just so into lately who i'm fantasizing about her who saying come on do a lipa no doja cat i don't know throw me a bone here but amber heard oh amber baby bro she can shit on my bed it comes shit in my sheets girl damn damn she nice i i was saying the other day i was like it's funny because she lost the trial she did lose she is being awarded

two million dollars that's 15 to 2 yeah but that's literally what they say when they talk about like a participation trophy yeah you know well if you're cnn that's what they wrote in the headline did they they were both found liable oh that was their headline that's good the johnny depp and amber heard jury has come back and they found both depp and heard liable and they didn't say like it's crazy into two yeah they didn't they didn't want to mention that what i don't get is so they're going to be definitely appealing it which you know no surprise but i i saw a picture and it could have been it definitely could have been like fake but i saw a picture and it was like of her net worth and it was like two and a half million yeah it's got to be fake i've heard i

heard it was like seven i saw the same one you're talking about i heard it's like seven or eight but i also i'm like because they don't release the contracts that actors and actresses make we just find out about it sometimes like we found out that leo made 50 million right right right but like she is a star she's not like a a a list but like she's she's a star i gotta think like if you look at her imdb she had to be making several million that's yeah i saw that when i saw two and a star i gotta think like if you look at her imdb she had to be making several millions that's yeah i saw that when i saw two and a half i'm like that can't be real and she got seven from johnny yeah separation i'm like what are you spending your fucking money on yeah exactly and and she's not even paying 15 million it comes out to like 10.4 well because the judge legally the jury the jury awarded her more than was

legally allowed for one of his great dude or awarded him that but yeah it's still like they were saying it's more than her net worth but then other people were telling me they're like oh she'll just file for bankruptcy and she'll be fine like how does bankruptcy work i have no idea no that's works yeah dude it sounds like it sounds like a nice, easy way out, dude. It sounds incredible. You just get a fresh slate. I might file soon. I might file too. I might file soon, dude. It sounds like you get money from it. You got your equipment, you got your

setup, file, and now start fresh, but you got your stuff. So now you can start on top. I think the biggest racket, though, is that great bankruptcy attorneys make a lot of fucking money oh yeah from where like like if i'm one of the creditors and i'm in court i'm like how much you're paying this fucking guy from aiken gump yeah how do they yeah exactly dude it's

craziness i have a distant relative who's like a high-powered bankruptcy attorney in new york and i'm just like you're really rich yeah that's someone else's money yeah yeah that's the money that they probably should have been paying these these creditors but that's pretty cool what did you think of that whole trial though i mean you know i'm we made a sketch about it it was it was definitely one of those things um you know, they're both guilty, you know. Obviously, they're both guilty. I mean, all you had to hear was Johnny's. Did you hear that one clip where you just, like, go, it's like the text message?

Oh, it's the best text message I've ever read. She was my place for come and nothing more. Oh, my God. Like, I fucking almost shit myself. I thought it was so funny. But, you know, it was one of those things where i was like i'm glad he won you know yeah i mean definitely was a lot weird because when it was happening no one seemed to be supporting her like i remember before dan carney and i made that sketch we did a deep dive on twitter and we're like let's gauge what people

are thinking about this because we were we were worried we would make it a week would go by some crazy shit would come out and then it would just be everyone being team amber but then you go on twitter it was like a hundred people were for johnny two were for amber and then the trial ended and i've seen so much more stuff now being like what this means for like women what this does to like our movement like almost saying that she got robbed and i was i was so confused i'm like wait when this was going on it seemed like everyone was like fuck this bitch because it's a team thing exactly exactly but i i was i don't know i was blown away by that didn't make sense they i mean i you can you can literally write their tweets

for him you know what's going to be coming yeah you know what they're going to say you know how they're going to say it it's standing in solidarity no matter what and it's like yeah he clearly i i think she sent him crazy because she's a nut job right awful person right he definitely did things he shouldn't have done right i think we all can agree on that but a lot less and i think he was driven it was a defense mechanism more than anything yeah yeah dude i remember even like the during the trial the independent shared this one op-ed literally like 20 times like in the month and i remember like i remember i was looking at it i'm like dude you guys fucking shared this article three days ago and the first reply tweet is like

how many more times do you guys plan on doing this article because it was like opinion why everyone is supporting johnny instead of amber and then it was obviously going at you know everyone who supports johnny but they like they were like almost pushing it like it was almost three weeks old at one point and they were publishing it on Twitter as if it was a new article from that day. They know exactly what they're doing. They know exactly what they're doing,

and people fall for it every time because they click it. They click it, and then they sell ads. Dude, it's like the classic thing in the amount of times I've been on Facebook and someone from my hometown shared some bullshit and it happened three years ago, like the date on the article. It's like the classic thing and the amount of times i've been on facebook and someone from my hometown shared some bullshit and it happened three years ago like the date on the article it's like three years old yeah this was that text oh my god i just found this is this is hilarious this is from johnny depp to amber heard if you haven't heard this it was

august 2016 she's begging for total global humiliation. She's gonna get it. I'm gonna need your text about San Francisco, brother. I'm even sorry to ask. But she sucked Mullah's crooked dick and he gave her some shitty lawyers. I have no mercy, no fear, and not an ounce of emotion or what I once thought was love for this gold-digging, low-level, diamond-dozen,

mushy, pointless, dangling, overused, flappy fish market. I'm so fucking happy she wants to go to fight this out. She will hit... What does that say? She will hit the wall hard. There's a lot of exclamation points, too. That's the one thing. He's fucking jacked up.

And I can't... He's probably on a lot of coke. Fired up. And I can't... Yeah. And I cannot wait to have this ways of a cum cuss a sublime little russian i'd met a fucking sublime little russian all right okay i can't i can't even keep doing this but like we all know what it's like

to send like that i want to replace on that Warner Brothers. It's like, you know what? Fuck this. You know what? Fuck it. She's done. Oh, man. God, we're going to catch flack for that clip, dude.

Don't post that clip of the two guys laughing at that text message. It's hysterical because you know what it's like there's a huge difference between doing things and taking out your oxytocin or whatever dopamine right an angry text to a friend where you say all the worst and most creative shit you can possibly say which is essentially what he did there and and he talks like it like a creative actor why say like fuck this bitch when you can say i will leave her out to pasture but this like come guzzling floppy fish market like floppy fish market that was good that was good john he's clearly an artist why did we not get james franco in this trial that's what i want to know dude yeah james franco he's done that would that would

have sent some some i was you know i gotta tell you, man, when the whole James Franco thing happened, I was a little bothered to see how quick Seth Rogen, you know, was done with him. What did he do? I think, see, again, here we go. I'm just, I think, I think he made, like, some crazy sexual advances and was having sexual relations with a student. Oh, because he's a professor at NYU at NYU is he still that's another thing too apparently he stole the disaster artist from a student apparently that's that's what I've heard I've heard that that script was submitted in his class and he kind of took it and I don't know if he didn't if he compensated or like

didn't properly compensate. Yeah, I've heard that a lot. But I was just taken aback because it's like Seth Rogen had done so much with him and they were so close. Not saying he should have been out supporting him, but he was just like, yeah, fuck him. I'm never working with him ever again. I don't like him. I don't like him.

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I don't even remember what movie. Was that. Was that a Mike Myers movie? No, no. Fuck. I can't remember. It's the guy. It's the guy who plays Mr mr chang in uh the hangover

his name's escaping me ken something oh ken young ken young yeah and he has the pet duck it's from ted that's where it's from let's go james franco uh all right so i guess wow he did a podcast talking about this somewhat recently december 2021 i have to check that out uh day before christmas eve what a gift yeah it's i i know what you mean about friends abandoning but it's also like it was a smart career i mean not even just forget the career it's just like if it had i i gotta remember what some of it was because i'm not sure but i think if some of it had to do with like under girls and stuff, what are you going to do? No, for sure.

You don't want to be associated with that. And this is why I think Epstein was – He set the bar, man. He really set the bar, that guy. Christ. He – like if you're sitting in a room, whoever you are, you're the people who are going to end up handling Jeffrey Epstein. Yeah. I'm not saying where you're from or what.

We don't know. If you're sitting in a room and you're writing down, like, you, for whatever reason, you come up with this whole idea that you need to be able to get leverage on people, which is everything. But you need to be able to blackmail people. Powerful people across culture you're sitting around you're going what is the one thing that absolutely nobody can come back from once the veil is pulled and someone in that room raises their hand and goes fuck a kid let's get them to fuck kids that's it that's it yeah and then, okay, well, let's create a figure who's known for this, too. Someone got a promotion for that one.

One of the intern that said, listen, if I speak up right now and they don't like this, I'm going to get fired. But I believe so. I so strongly in this idea. He raises his hand. They're like, what the fuck are you doing? Have them fuck kids. Get the fuck out of here. No, no, no, no, no.

Sit back down. What did you just say? We get them to fuck kids. Get the fuck out of here. No, no, no, no, no. Sit back down. What did you just say? We get them to fuck kids. We get blackmail of them fucking kids. Who's this guy? Oh, this is Jim. He's the new mailroom guy. Jim, you're now the director of clandestine opera.

Jim, you're going to have a future at this company, son. Did we get you a car yet? Did we get him a Maserati Ghibli? You got a future here, kid. Oh, my God. But you're right. That's literally like that's probably how it's just like what's the best way? You're not bouncing back from that. Dude, he died less than three years ago, and the trial of gillane was six months ago and we

already forget oh society has already it's not even that we forget it's still there and people post memes and say oh yeah that guy yeah and like that's it i mean embarrassingly enough when you just said it was six months ago i like in my head i'm like oh wow i thought it was like a year and a half ago now i mean it just goes to show you everything feels that way everything feels like a long time ago but it's just like the compartmentalization that we are willing to accept in this social feed era where there's always something new saturated as fuck man yeah i mean i even saw it like we're what two weeks out three weeks out from that shooting or whatever uh what the the one in texas which is awful and like it was

round the clock coverage for four or five days there was one in philly yesterday did you yeah yeah now there's another street there's another one but we've already like forgotten about that yeah it's that shit's crazy bro it's nuts it's crazy the information age i'll just keep saying ideas it's it's like it's the we don't know how to live without it but we also we know it's like killing us yeah Yeah. And none of us can do anything. And so we don't. Myself and you. Yeah, we're like the guy who had me at knife point in, you know, Madison Square Garden.

He's like, I know I shouldn't be doing this much dope every day, but God, I can't live without it, you know and that's like i mean you see the videos coming out of like new york or any of the big cities where there was like they pulled back too much on the cops and everything i look at it and i go people have been left so hopeless from the effects of this pandemic which we don't talk about enough like the downstream economic effects that happened that they went crazy oh for sure dude for sure even on this even on the craziest micro level of just talking to one of your buddies you know throughout all of it and being like damn bro he's he's kind of he's gone off the deep end a little bit yeah you know he's uh you're doing what tomorrow january 6th where are you going what are you doing dude what the hell's going on you know they people feel like they got to be a

part of something but they get they get infected with the idea that whatever it is that's what they are and then it defines them and it happens all the way down at like crime too i was looking i think it was from your twitter probably but i was looking at a video a couple days ago of some guy on the subway just like grabbing people and shit that that that had me in a fucking knot dude i was so that had me livid because it's crazy dude people talk so people talk so much and say oh we gotta help each other out blah blah blah dude the fucking the crackhead comes on the train starts grabbing this woman's hair not letting go and she's literally like help me can someone help me and everyone's just standing there recording it it's like dude cold clock that motherfucker but that's what i'm saying

like he's not well right like that person it's not just like oh he's high on crack right now yeah it's more it's like it's like he needs to be institutionalized yeah and it's like like there's such a and we see it in everything honestly you know what now that i think about it i think that it might have been a woman actually in that video i can't the other thing because it i thought i thought it might be like like a crossdresser yeah i wasn't sure because it's hard to tell but like either way that's what they're calling them nowadays i'm kidding uh what was the subway nyc yeah dude dude even like even last week there was a bad fucking stabbing in the upper... Actually, dude, fuck it.

To this past week, a 16-year-old girl got stabbed in the back in broad daylight in New York City. And then a few days before, someone in the Upper East Side got stabbed in broad daylight, too. And the pictures from the CCTV camera, it literally is like something out of a horror movie. It's some guy dressed all black with a hood on and just like the picture is him winding back oh yeah yeah i saw this yeah it was on like new york post it's like dude what just running around staffing people what is going on now there's always been crazy people and there is new york city especially yeah sure there hasn't always been video like we have it now. But still, the rate that you're seeing some of this stuff. It's every other day, dude.

It's every other day. Do you want to know one thing I still haven't done since living in New York? And I'm probably not going to do it. I have not downloaded the Citizens app. What the fuck is that? So Citizens app is an app you can download. And it's like Waze where it's open source. People have to report xyz to see

it but it basically reports crime emergencies anything in your in your immediate area so you'll get a notification man stabbed uh 12 a thousand feet away from you or like man like a traffic pattern dude so it's like that and dude like i have i have buddies who have it and they're like dude i've been sitting in my apartment and it says man gun down 200 feet away from you and they're like looking out the window and see like cops you know or like uh you know lights flashing they're like what what the fuck like and so i'm like yeah i don't need that i don't need that man stabbed to death 16 times seven feet away from you and i like opened the door my apartment guy laying there you know that's fucking scary man yeah i just like you know greatest city in

the world yeah but it's it's a lot of places with heavy populations because the biggest myth that's ever been sold to the people of the united states and the people of the world is that the stock market equals the economy for everybody yeah that is not maybe it was maybe you can make that argument in the 70s 80s and 90s i'll buy it but like ever since we got to exponential rates of creation with the internet the especially since then that's why the wealth gap splits so much because when you see that chart and you'll even hear rich people talking about losing so much money in 0809 but a lot of them had enough that they were able to get it back because when you see the chart go down in that v even if they sold stupidly they saw a lot of that upside because they had assets to gain the people who lost their

401k in that v and sold everything they got nothing yeah they didn't invest they didn't get any of that so all this recovery like taking money to make money talk about that all the time like people get left behind with it so the pandemic happens you see that hard v right and you just assume like oh everyone's okay well the only people who are okay are the people who are actually collecting of like working class society were the people who were actually collecting the unemployment benefits they got which were great but it's still capped yeah right so everyone else is getting rich yes and inflation and everyone else is getting rich you know the the people can invest in tech while this goes on and something like now that we're two over two years past it i'm starting to realize

like now 2019 it was always distant like within six months of the pandemic it was distant but now it feels like a different era like of people like how people react like even when social media was nuts like especially during the trump presidency and everything because the guy said something new every day there was a level of sanity on a broad scale that still at least existed i'm not saying it was flourishing but it existed but it was there now yeah people being in their own little pods you know like if i by the way if i just sat here and i was building something else and i didn't talk with people for a fucking living and do nothing but listen to people oh i would have gone i don't i'm not above who the fuck am i to say i'm above

that i would have gone nuts bro i'm i am beyond grateful that at that time i was living in a six-bedroom apartment with just a bunch of people like that was the one thing i never had to deal with that there was three of them left to go back home just because of every the expense and everything which totally understandable but it was me and two other roommates good friends and it was just like man thank god thank fucking god because then talking to other people who are just same shit every day alone in a studio apartment it's like oh my god dude i would have went nuts i was living in a two-floor brownstone with people you know we had a giant living room a backyard a roof i was moving around i'm like i was grateful

for that shit yeah because you can bounce ideas off and feel them out with each other as opposed to doing it from behind a keyboard where a bunch of bots might agree with you right or it could even be as simple as you you rip ass on the couch and someone laughs. You're like, oh yeah, you're here. I'm not alone. Thank God. Thank God.

Like when I see these people, I'm like how many of these people just got left behind? They lost whatever job they had and then they were homeless. They didn't have people. And then also the shelters shut down. That was a big thing. Resources went like that.

All of it gone, yeah. Because they didn't know. Everyone was uncertain, couldn't do it, blah, blah, blah, blah. The only silver lining with, I mean, New York specifically is that, and I want to put this on a t-shirt, is, hey, at least we're not San Francisco. But it's like at the same time but at the same time like yeah we're not too far away yeah you know i don't think it can be that bad but i mean i've never been out there some people like you'll see people fight back against that like oh i was in san francisco today i didn't get robbed not everything was shot up

like everyone says on the internet and they're're probably right about that. Yeah, no. I've never even been out there. I'm a jerk off. You still see, like, the videos in San Francisco are, every day, they're, like, as brazen as that dude stabbing people that we just saw in New York. Yeah. Like, they're, like, that's not real. Oh, wow. Yeah, I think about, like, a few, like, a year ago, it's like I almost jinxed myself because a year ago I would watch, like, those videos from, like, L.A. and San Fran and I'd be like, Jesus, man, like, the homeless and, like, the crackheads, like, the ones on the West Coast, they seem really fucking aggressive. What the hell?

And now it's like the last year in New York, all of a sudden, it's like, oh, no, they're, you know, everyone's aggressive now. But it makes sense. Why is everyone aggressive? Well, you know, the last two years of life hasn't been something to calm you down. Think about this guy real quick. Jeffrey Epstein. He's 24 years old. His dad wasn't really ever around, so his mom was working several jobs growing up to make ends meet

and everything maybe he has a couple siblings maybe they're there actually let's say they're not they're somewhere else and he didn't go to college got a job working you know as like a driver around new york or something during the college years pandemic hits mom dies of covid yeah which this is not a far-fetched story in new york is insane when it happened and yeah now he has no job he lost it he's depressed so he doesn't collect government checks suddenly the little house that house apartment that she was able to pay for and he was able to support suddenly he's not in there anymore the lease runs out he didn't pay no shelter to turn to no shelter to turn to now he's on the street it is august 2020 now all right this happened in five months yep streets are empty

okay so now he sees someone someone next to him says take some of this yeah takes a little whatever that drug is yep now he starts losing track of days his phone turns off doesn't even have that anymore this person could be virtually completely insane in months yeah think about how many people are like that right now who got left behind by the system and nothing to there to help them yep and now if we had just introduced those people to bitcoin and some heroin they actually might have they might have made a killing if they bought ethereum at six hundred dollars at the beginning of the pandemic when mom passed no but you're right you're right it's actually like it is not that is not far-fetched at all and what's crazy

is i am noticing a lot of homeless people i've been seeing a lot lot younger a lot younger dude like people who have been like oh that that could have been a classmate from school you know i'm waiting for the first spread we see a story that they get on someone who was like someone who was like the everyday kid yeah yeah yeah i'm no dude it's so it's coming dude some of the people that i've been seeing that look like our age you can tell they haven't been that way for a long time like i see i see kids that look like you know around our age and i'm like they still got a pair of air pods you know or like they got a pair of jordans on but you could tell they're doing a lot of dope too and

like they're living on the street and it's like, dude, this is all new, you know? And granted, would it have happened anyway for some? Maybe. Sure. But with the circumstances that have been coming, you know. Yeah. Just turn that thing. Yeah.

Yeah. I got it. But the circumstances that, you know, we've been presented with, it's totally real. Totally real. That could have happened to anybody i don't you know it makes me think back to when people three days into the pandemic raised the alarm about the mental health and the drugs and things like that that would happen it was common sense and and it's true too you see all these numbers of overdoses alcoholism even stuff like domestic abuse is it all of it skyrocketed i constantly have to remind myself that i that i

only live in my head right because none of that's and i also didn't lose my job when it happened right i still had that for a little while yeah i had a big freelancing gig i worked the whole pandemic i had god i had been i had been giving myself a runway working towards something ended up being this right like i had a lot that was just it was there you could take it for granted in that way that other people didn't but like i've never understood the whole idea of like like i like alcohol right but i've never understood the idea of like it's six o'clock i had a tough day i'm having a drink i think i've done that twice in my life and it didn't happen like that yeah it's just like oh i've had a day man yeah and i just have

one and i and that's it right but a lot of people that's not i understand that's not how their brain works their brain then becomes that's what i want oh yeah i'm doing it again and again and again this is replacing everything that's routine for probably the majority of like nine to fivers especially in new york especially in cities in the suburbs people might not be as apt to come home and have a drink every single night but when you're living in a city it's fucking mad you leave exactly dude you leave the office you walk out there's a a fucking pig and whistle whatever on every goddamn corner and you're like you know what go have a fucking beer go have a drink with a few

co-workers oh god we earned it dude we just did eight hours of this garbage we don't want to do we earned it but it's that's not sustainable no i don't know maybe for some some people have the mental fortitude but the majority probably not i think i'm just the way we're all wired is maybe it starts the same but it ends up different based on how what you gravitate towards or whatever but i never understood the people who just did that like on a daily basis or like went to the happy hour and stuff like i trust me i knew how to have a good fucking time a lot of people know i had i had a good time after college and everything but there was a hard line for me yeah on the week i'm on yeah right you know unless it was business related i didn't fucking go to happy hours i didn't go out and drink i fucking worked out went to work

did my shit got it done on the weekends i could blow it out yeah like that's that's just what it was that's the that's the way to do it but like i would notice exactly what you're saying like even with like friends in the city and stuff like oh there's a happy hour tonight i'm like but aren't you okay all right it's like motherfucker there's gonna be a happy hour every night from 2 p.m till 5 a.m like that's never gonna change yep even when this world is going to hell in a handbasket there's still gonna be a happy hour you can go to five o'clock somewhere man yeah exactly but people are that that's another thing people the older i get the more i realize There's still going to be a happy hour you can go to. 5 o'clock somewhere, man. Yeah, exactly. But people are – that's another thing. People – the older I get, the more I realize how much people just think about today.

And it's great to be present. I'm with that. But they don't – it's like what's the official term? Short-term gratification versus long-term. But again, it's like you go back to all the shit we were talking talking about earlier it's like well it's easy to be that way because if you're working and you know you're not crazy about your job or like everything's not really the way you want it to be well it's easy to fall into that because at least that's something you know you're gonna get that that good feeling or you're gonna get that net positive reaction or you know it's easy it's so easy to

fall into that whereas like a guy like you or me is like you have some aspirations or some bigger plans it's like well you can't settle for that what are you doing you're blowing it two days two days back to back thursday and friday i just like booze in or just like kind of living like you know you don't give a shit it's like well you're gonna see on saturday when you're doing this shit oh well i didn't put my investment in this week i didn't pay my rent this right you know what you don't give a shit it's like well you're gonna see on saturday when you're doing this shit oh well i didn't put my investment in this week i didn't pay my rent this right you know gotta pay your rent i'm really fortunate to have a lot of people around me who even if this isn't what how they would do it with their life maybe they don't have the aspirations i do they want to do different things or whatever i have a lot of people around me who even if they don't get it they get it

yeah right and they're and they're supportive and they're like they're like hey no we we know like you got it the hardest part though is when i have people and there's some who don't get it at all want totally different things in their life and can't recognize that like that's not what i want they're like they want to help they're it's usually coming from a good place yeah but they're like trying to project how they think life should be lived upon me and i gotta look at them and be like anyone who's ever built something what do you think they just like they clock in nine to five and then like go and blow it out on the weekend i had the exact conversation with somebody yesterday look up any person you want that you think is big look up whether it's fucking george clooney

who waited tables till he was 41 look up anybody no one this very rarely are there people that were able to just walk into a room and some guy in a suit across saw them and was like you're Elvis kid catch me outside girl yeah she she did it yeah I mean dude it happens but like not really yeah not really rare yeah you know like the people that count on virality or like something like oh it'll happen tomorrow like I'm like that's to me when i hear people say the word tomorrow i did this thing just goes up my spine and i'm like no no no like that's not that is not how it works right because everything will become tomorrow and granted you know like people might feel that way when you or i are saying how like oh like this this this nine to five and then the happy

hour and then the weekend like that's like they might look at us and think we're wild too just like it's all relative and i talk to these kids at work and i'll be like like oh what are you doing you coming to have a few with us and i'm like nah i got i'm gonna do like two or three open mics then i gotta meet my buddy to write this sketch and then i gotta still rehearse my lines for this play and it's just they're like oh what like you know like you're done like i'm like no the day's not done for me like when 5 p.m hits with what i've been doing lately it's like the day's just beginning yeah your day starts now i i'm done with the bullshit finally that's gonna pay rent this month but now the day is just starting that's a great feeling

man it's it is it's a grind but like it's a great yeah it sucks the the morning after can really fucking blow sometimes when i'm like i gotta go do that bullshit now you know but you know it's just knowing that 5 p.m hits and then the day actually begins and it's like that's what makes it worthwhile but you have a thing to chase yeah you know and i also by the way the are, like, comfortable in their own skin with doing that and also then don't project it on me at all, love them. Like, that's great. Again, like, it goes back to the whole thing. Dude, at the end of the day, I just.

I'm all about that. Yeah, dude. Whether they're a friend, an acquaintance, or a random person, I just want people to be happy. So if you're happy with that, man, all the power to you. If anything, I'll be jealous in a sense because I'll be like, well, you got it all figured out. Good for you. Because, like, I'm still tinkering with the parts to you. If anything, if anything, I'll be jealous in a sense. Cause I'd be like, well, you got it all figured out. Good for you. Cause like, I'm,

I'm still tinkering with the parts and pieces, but yeah, well, we all always are. I think that's a part of, you always have to be self-aware of that. You're never a finished product. I really believe that even,

even old people like, unless you're made in China, then, you know, that's pretty clear cut, clear, clear cut. You're made in, you're made in China. Then, you know, that's pretty clear cut. Clear cut. Clear cut. You're made in China.

The Chinese want to make action figures of Superman. What the hell is going on? That's really good, man. I've said it a few times. That's really good. But, like, a thing I'm always curious about with creatives, like people who write, people, well, you write. You do comedy. You also write for comedy.

You write. You've written scripts and stuff like that like when you are funding it you know through working a job and things like that on the come up you have a limited time right you just said your day starts at five o'clock so when it starts you're like okay well maybe i can work till like one tonight i gotta be up at like 6 30 so i get five and a half hours of sleep but i got that window right there and that window includes maybe my 20 minutes to get home and walk the next 10 minutes to get myself settled behind the computer and then like rejigger my thoughts because by the way my brain's been on for 10 hours already today

so it's not like fresh maybe i gotta make some coffee there's another 15 minutes right there and now i'm sitting down and doing it and it's scheduled creativity do you struggle with that because like it's not like you can just be like i think i'll walk around and smell the roses and smoke right like i'll write 10 pages today but then realistically you only write one or two no dude that's definitely how it goes i mean so i the job i work it's it's sales so i literally have to perform all day like i look at it as like i act all day yeah i'm selling garbage to people you know like literally it's literally like wiffle wall street where we won't say where you work no no no i won't but it's it's like it's you're selling garbage you know and you're selling people on the idea that this garbage is it's going

to change your life this is gonna this is gonna be the single best way to enhance your company's image to all these people you're working with so it's b2b all right yeah i'm on my prowl now and um i've lost my thought but it's like yeah dude it gets hard because there are days where i'm like all right ideally today i would like to lock down like the next sketch that we're going to work on with my buddy and And you're just not on, and you can't think of those ideas. But maybe that's a better day to just read over my lines for this project and just get my lines down. So I think for me, I'll wake up with what I – I'll be like, yeah, this is what I'm doing today.

And a lot of the time it sticks to that, but there are the days where I'm like, no, let me readjust. When 5 p.m. hits, I'm like, yeah, I can't, I can't do them. I'm not like, I'm going to go on stage right now and talk. I'm like, I, and it's not from a place of like being lazy because it's not like I just say, all right, day off. It's like, no, I'm not going to do an open mic or two today, but now I'm going to write, I'm going to work on my script, you know, for the film I'm writing or I'm going to stay disciplined with'm going to work on my script, you know, for the film I'm writing. You stay disciplined with that. It's just, it's a matter of like, if I, when you're working on so many things too and being multifaceted, it's just a matter of staying disciplined and showing up and doing the work.

And there are some days where I'm like, oh man, I really don't want to like try and do comedy. Because again, like I'm, you know, I'm still new to this. I'm still figuring this out. I don't want to do this. But then I'm like, all i'm like all right but dude you know you you do got to do it i do have to do it and you got to go up there and bomb or eat shit or i have to go home with the intention of writing 10 pages and write three that's just the game that's just the part of the game i have a lot of respect for that man because it's hard you know there's obviously a lot of creativity that goes into what i do which

this is the easiest part this is where the creativity this is the best part yeah this is a joke doing this sit back all the behind the scenes shit and marketing it making the clips and stuff like that which is like an insane level it's like if i i already don't have enough hours in a day but if i didn't have the space to be able to do that and i still struggle with it like oh i gotta be making shit today and i'm like i'm starting to make shit and i'm like that's not good yeah you're forcing it yes you gotta have and you're and i could already tell you're the type of guy like and and that's why we would mesh well like if we worked on something it's like i will go psychotic over quality control and that that

also that's a blessing and a curse you know because then you're like well i want to work today and you're just doing you're like working for three hours and you're like this is dog shit and it's it's not dog shit but as far as the standard that you're trying to say it's dog shit and now you just you wasted three hours but you can't look at it like that you can't i do that's that's a that's a weakness sometimes because i do look at it that way i you know if it's like if it actually is i mean everything starts and kind of ends at dog shit for me but it's like is it dog shit yeah is it actual or actual put this yeah you know that's always tough because then you feel like you wasted time right you know but you still

one thing i find i don't know if you can relate to this but i'll find later i never see it in the moment because we're wired for negativity with this kind of thing but like when i'm trying to put something together and it just doesn't work right yeah and i'm spending the first four hours of the job on it where you know okay maybe i don't end up going all the way but i spent four hours of the job on it where you know okay maybe i don't end up going all the way but i spent four hours trying to find this craft that make it work you know it's like oh my god i just wasted like all that energy in the day but what ends up happening is it ends up being something there is figured out such that it wires itself into the next thing that i do find and then be like oh wait okay this one kind of

works you know what i mean yeah that's why they're that's why there's always a benefit no matter what like there's always something to gain big or small even out of the way even out of the things that you perceive as a waste of time it's like well no like you just said now it kind of like gave a pathway to like connecting it to this thing that you're about to find you're gonna be like oh that's what it is and it's like what they it's like every it's the corniest saying and everyone says it but things happen for a reason it's like oh it was just supposed to be mapped out that way you needed to make this dog shit for the last four hours because now it opened up this little door to find that i don't know where it comes from man like the when when the when you have no ideas

coming to you and then suddenly like it just spits it out on the page if you're writing yeah or on the screen if if you're putting together a video and you're like oh yeah that then that and then suddenly it's like it's like a lava flow you know what i mean that's a wild thing about humanity yeah man because it's like again none of this stuff can be forced you know like i Like, I think everything that's forced, you realize it's forced, and maybe it works one time, but it might not work the next. I think you gotta, you just gotta go with the ebbs and flows. The one, the one thing that does suck is that when you do have to do things you don't want to do in order to do these things, you know, I've had, I've had so many moments at this job where it'll be 10.30 in the morning there and I'm, like, you know, fully in the workday working and I get hit with, like, such a wave of, like, inspiration or, like, ideas.

And for me personally with what I'm doing, I do this. I just can't help. I take out my notebook and then I just stop working and start working on my personal stuff. But, you know i'll i'll dip into work here and there just in case anyone's walking by but ideally it's like no like yeah if this is here now i'm sorry but i have to take it and if it means you guys have to fire me well then you know do what you got to do thank you for the opportunity but like these are the moments where it's like no i need to catch this because this ain't coming back. I'm a firm believer in that sometimes you have ideas and moments of inspiration that it's never coming back, so you better fucking catch the fish, baby.

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I am anal about that. Dude, so many, I would look back and be like, dude, there were so many moments where I knew I was supposed to be writing that thing or two down, and I didn't, and they're just gone in the ether. And I couldn't even give you an example because they're gone in the ether. I have saved notes and stuff that sometimes all i need is a few code words other times i need to actually write down whatever yeah like spews of the thought but it's not like i even go back to all of them it's like i know they're there yes and like okay we captured that boom in the box like you you were a madman guy right yeah so you remember the episode where the it was from the earlier seasons i forget the guy's name but the one kind of like awkward fat

guy yeah yeah thought of an idea and he was in there with what was don draper no no what was he with don but he was in there with peggy on the couch yeah yeah he's like i got it i got it oh my god that's the best thing ever and then it cuts away and then the next cut that you see them they wake up on the couch the next morning and he can't remember the idea because he didn't write it down and i always looked at that and i went oh that could be like if you were gonna write like if whitney houston was gonna write i will always love you and then just like fell asleep imagine yeah dude that's why you can come in you come into my bedroom and it's like i have notebooks whoa whoa buy me dinner first oh no no you're coming in whether you like it

okay all right harvey weinstein relax jeffrey epstein okay name's jeff okay no but like you could walk into my bedroom any day of the week and you'll find I have notebooks from 2016 dude I have notebooks from 2015 just like you have to keep it you have to capture it and you have to keep it and you have to safeguard it cause it's like you never know

whether you whether you capitalize on it this year or it's three years from now but it's like I'm such a firm believer in that that I've tried to make that a fucking deathly habit of just i'm gonna always record this stuff and it's not going anywhere and i'm not gonna throw it away like you become a bit of a hoarder but it's for the it's for the greater good of creation and you know what you're doing yeah that's another thing like creatives are often like organized you might have said this word too but like organized chaos and that's really just a cute way of saying like completely

disorganized because everything's everywhere it's like yeah you make something in that madness yeah you know i constantly have to clean shit up like once every six eight weeks because it just piles up everywhere i'm like oh for sure dude you Absolutely. I just try. I don't know. I think, I think the controlled chaos and just being disoriented benefits me a little bit. I know, I know where the important things are. And I think that's all that matters to me. Maybe that's not a good way to to approach life you know but i'm like it's over there i'm like yeah i know i know these these notebooks or this is over like i know that's over there as far as everything else you know i don't know

it doesn't really matter yeah yeah but it does it does like you do have to pull yourself back and not some people they're able to just always live in that but like i find if i can't if i can't get some things buttoned up like there's always gonna be something that's disorganized but if i can't get some things buttoned up it's like it's a disaster because then you feel you feel weird you know what i mean yeah it's like when your room is a mess forever yeah right after like six months you're like okay this is this is nuts yeah you can get away with it for a month but like if you're not in there a lot eventually it starts to affect like how you think about things for sure i yeah that's that's why i even see it as like there you can only go so far with the whole idea too of a

starving harvest uh artist in my opinion you know like i like we said earlier it's like there's a lot of great things that do come from adversity or that heartbreaker for that loss or whatever but i also think that there are people who almost approach it and it's like i have to just always suffer to make good things and it's like true but not always you know i used to really buy into that heavily but then i realized i'm like no like there were a lot of moments where like when i was organized and i was in a good headspace and i was working out consistently and i was eating right like really good things came from that too you know you can only you can only buy into that idea so much until you're just completely debilitated and depressed to where you can't produce anything you gotta let life happen yeah those are people who knowingly or unknowingly are trying to diagram life and they're actually

trying to diagram it negative because they think the negative i'm gonna live in the negative and it's gonna force me to be great you can't right you have to just let it happen which also by the way you know it always includes life includes things that are bad. Like they will happen to you. Yeah, but that's the waves. Like there's no such thing as like permanent happiness. Happiness is temporary, so that means you're going to enjoy the happiness when it's there,

and then you're going to, you know, try and, you know, fix it when you're not feeling as happy. You're going to try and find an approach that can get you back there, but you have to deal with the depression. You got to deal with the low points. You got to deal with all the depression you got to deal with the low points you got to deal with the all the ebbs and flows of what everything that comes and that's just coming from me because i got it figured out i think you do have it figured out folks come on come on you need advice you listen to me that's what you're here for man i brought joey deep in

for advice but speaking of advice like how'd this whole thing come together with you writing a play that you're going into a festival in Scotland? Fill me in here. Yeah, so me and my good buddy, Matt Ferrara, he's also an actor, writer, filmmaker. And it all started because we wanted to – we both were like we we got to start a podcast we had been saying it for a few years because like we uh i you know at least i personally but i think him too had been toying with like oh trying stand up too because i i'd been writing bits for a couple years and all sucked but i was doing it and so we're like all right if we're gonna try and give that thing a shot let's do it right let's consistently put out a podcast every weekend

which you know minus three weekends out of the last year 40 almost a year yeah we've we've hit so you know we've stayed pretty true to that we have had our slips um so we're like let's put out a consistent podcast every week it's going to just be as simple as it gets just comedy satire just us fucking around and talking about everything and with that we're also going to start hitting the open mics we're going to start trying to give that thing a shot and then slowly as we're like in this community and we i've met so many great people i can't even begin to stress the amount of like awesome and just amazing people i've met doing stand-up comedy in new york city like who there's so many man i almost i'm almost scared to say names because if i forget like one or two

i'm gonna drive home and then i'm gonna hit the you know the giant bridge that goes over the water i'm gonna it's okay we're two hours in so a lot of those people they stop listening yeah no i mean dude like fuck just like all firsthand it's like you know dan carney ryan o'toole espy riva denera caroline haynes derrick drescher you know fucking i could i could go wild do it eli haba jake tim i mean there's so many fucking people that i've met carney's the guy who opened up for tim dillon yeah yeah he's funny yeah he's a funny fucking dude great dude dean david i mean i could just fucking go all day long with these people that Yeah, yeah. He's funny. Yeah, he's a funny fucking dude. Great dude. Dean David. I mean, I could just fucking go all day long with these people that I've gotten to interact with and meet. And Adam Christopher, Malia Simon.

I'm like, I can't stop. But there's so many people, dude, that were awesome and just fucking fantastic individuals and creative people and funny motherfuckers. And so I had only learned about the fringe festival through Matt. And he was like, dude, this festival is like really awesome. You know, you, and you go and look it up. It's a month long in Edinburgh, Edinburgh, Scotland. It started because back in, it might've been the late 1800s. I'm not a hundred percent sure. They had a big arts festival there and it was very exclusive for the elites and so they started this thing called the fringe festival where on the fringe of the city they would have a festival for

anyone anyone could join anyone could perform in it is jeffrey epstein was he on the board he was on he he founded it actually yeah he founded it yeah he um he founded it and you know they did a performance of uh that well it was bohemian grove a performance of, that it was Bohemian Grove, a performance. Yeah. So they were like fucking in front of the owl. Yeah. Yeah.

But back then it was, everyone was with it. They're like, this is cool. This is cool. So the, but that, that caught wind and that actually became the festival that took over the

city was the fringe festival. So now it's a thing, you know, you, you got to register and you're in and is it all plays it's plays it's theater stand-up stand-up comedy has taken the really the front seat of it for like the last five years like it's probably the biggest stand-up comedy festival in the world but you're doing a play there right we're doing a comedy play right so

you know we have a theater space and we you know we got the theater space you know we promote it and we're doing this play every day 6 to 7 p.m how many days uh august 5th to the 28th so 23 days straight 23 days of doing the play yeah no break we didn't take any off days but what made you so this is like really cool yeah so we had so he's telling me all about this and i'm like dude and we're like we should write a play matt had always matt had always had this great running joke with friends and it was just like you know like oh he fucked my wife like you know did you fuck my wife like just stupid you're like oh you fucked my wife why'd you fuck

my wife and we were like we we took the idea of like arthur miller plays tennessee william plays the 1950s americana you know streetcar named desire death of a salesman classics and we're like what if we took that and it's about two admin you know they're at the top of the chain in the admin world and they they're fucking each other's wives but they're best friends they don't know and it gets revealed and so we wrote hey that's my wife and it we took all of those kinds of plays and we turned them on their head you know what's one thing they did they would always they wouldn't be very direct with sex or with violence or drug use we're married we're direct everything is like you fucking my wife now and so we wrote this show, two ad men, Charlie Moore and Roger Sloan.

They're the top of the game, and they're in the ad world, and they're working under the boss, Willie the Pint Shanahan, who's just the titan of the industry, played by Ryan O'Toole. What years is it taking place? This is in the 50s, New York City, Manhattan. Classy. So we're talking like, I want to get the numbers all the way up, and we're going to bring it down. Because if you're going to be fucking my wife we're going

to make sure we're doing it right all right wow you got it down the gilded age accent yeah that mid-atlantic type shit james cagney era yeah so we're doing that and you know two ad men fucking each other's wives the big reveal you've been fucking my wife i've been fucking your wife and revealed that the boss has been fucking our wives and our wives have been fucking each other has been fucking the wife pint's been fucking them our wives have been fucking each other because we're all veterans too like we were we fought in world war oh thank you for your service oh my pleasure where where were you normally i was uh well this is a spoiler you know my character always talks about how he took down so many japanese oh you were in okinawa

he never made it to japan my character twisted his knee at base camp but he just makes oh he's got the fake cover story my character is like the brash tough guy who's really a pussy matt's character is the pussy sensitive guy who's actually the really tough one so he was in he was he was there fighting while i was making casserole at the base you know wow and so how long did this take to write we wrote a first draft like three or four weeks in january yeah wow that's recently too yeah you think that's nuts dude i wrote the first draft to my feature film i wrote that in 18 days i've heard shit like that you just get on his own right it was that was one of the best times ever and it was during the first august of the pandemic so it was just the first two weeks of august i was just hammering it nine hours ten hours a day you took that one away

oh my god that fucking felt great did you tuck it away i assume no i'm on the sixth draft of it now no but like all right but you're not shopping it around yet. Not yet, because I want to, yeah. I'm on the last draft. The sixth draft is going to be it, and then we're shopping it around. All right, we'll come back to that. We'll come back to that. But with this one, three, four weeks in January.

So three, four weeks, we wrote the first draft. And we were looking at it, and we're like, dude, our boss is the quintessential, he's an Irishman, like a fucking dude. What do you fucking do? You want to fucking make it in this fucking business? like you know like a fucking dude what do you fucking do you know what you want to fucking make it in this fucking business you want to be a fucking producer you know and we had our buddy ryan o'toole he's you know he's from southie boston he's a fucking killer of a comic you know he's in new york city on his grind day in day out and we're like that's our man and then the pint for the pint how many total characters

are there five me matt our wives and the pint that's it and then and then we had two female comedians uh espy riva denera and caroline haynes who are just two other killers in their respects and they just fucking are workhorses and And as we were writing this thing, it was almost like we didn't write it thinking of all these people in mind, you know? But as we're writing it, we're like, dude, O'Toole, he's the guy who's like, shut up, I'll tell you a real fucking war story about the real war, the great war, you know?

And then like Espy, she's a tough bitch. Like she doesn't take no shit like she she like she like stands up for herself she's tiny she's tiny you know so it's like we're like all right she's she's the wife who takes no shit she slaps mad around except that guy's dick yeah right and then caroline it's like she's she's gonna play like the bell and she's like you know everything's all perfect but no she's stepping out and fucking my best friend. So as we were writing this thing, it all came together of who was going to be involved.

And it just, it fell together so perfectly. And so then it was just like, well, we're bringing this thing to Scotland. And you know, the best part about comedians is the ones that are all in on comedy. No,

they don't got much going on other than stand-up comedy. So we're like, hey, do you want to go to Scotland for a month and really let's do this thing? And it was just guesses across the board. Everyone's saving up their money, take care of their airfare, their housing, and we're going to do the thing. So we're previewing it next Saturday at the Grizzly Pear Comedy Club in New York City.

We're going to be doing our first preview of it, the full play. And how long? It's like an hour? An hour, exactly, yeah. Well, it's really like 55-ish minutes, but just taking into account the time between scenes of moving stuff. This sounds, I'm going to be honest, usually when people pitch some sort of story, I'm like, okay, yeah, that kind of works. I see that movie already. Oh, my God, dude.

I see that. For sure. That's a slam dunk. For sure. You got the period piece, too. Yeah. You can make it today as well if they wanted to. But you're playing on all those ideas because in A Streetcar Named Desire, it's all – it's alluding to infidelity or this and that like it's alluding

it's like whereas ours is like bam you're fucking my wife you know you're you're hitting everything direct so you're taking that whole style of storytelling and turning it on its head and yeah man and and taking it into setting making it a live performance comedians like these all of the comics that are in this you know i it's funny because like i've been doing it for fucking 10 months so i sometimes i can't even fix myself to be like i'm a comic i'm a comedian but i am i'm doing it you are but i see these people like these are people who have put their time in they have paid their rent and it's like the experience the last couple of months of rehearsing it and seeing everyone grow into their roles has just been fucking so special. That's awesome to say, but I'm also going to give you credit too because you have been writing and filmmaking and in the creative process for years.

That was my edge. Right. That was my edge. So even if you weren't, and you always definitely had a level of comedy to you, even if you weren't like, I'm also now a stand-up comic, and I'm going to write to be a stand-up comic, you were, in a lot of ways, training the muscles to be able to do that. For sure. For sure. I started making sketches in fifth grade.

Like, that was my, I have stuff on YouTube of me as a fifth grader, and I don't tell anyone. But it's there. You got to take that down. I can't. i don't know how to get into the account i figured that out the day before i launched the podcast i went and i found it oh well it's gone thankfully it's nothing it's nothing about you know endorsing this new millionaire jeffrey epstein or anything of that sort it's just like funny sketches thank god

so it won't get me canceled but yeah man so we. So we're fucking, we're going to do that. We're doing the preview this upcoming Saturday at the Grizzly Pair Comedy Club. We're going to fucking do that. We're going to do a preview in New Jersey in the middle of July. And then July 31st, we're outie. And we do it the whole month in Edinburgh, Scotland. You guys all get an Airbnb together? Even better.

We got a six bedroom, six bathroom dorm. Airbnb together? Even better. We got a six-bedroom, six-bathroom dorm. A dorm? Ten minutes. A dorm? Like a college dorm? Queens College in Scotland. Come on. Yeah.

Because, dude, no one's there in the summer. It was cheap as shit. There are Airbnb and college dorms now. For this festival. This festival is a big deal out there. How many people go to this damn thing? It's the second biggest ticketed event next to the World Cup.

There's going to be over 3,500 shows in 23 days. Holy fuck. Yeah. It's a big... At the Duke of Edinburgh. Yeah, Edinburgh, Scotland. The whole city.

Whatever. The whole city just fucking transforms. And so it's going to be cool, man. You city just fucking transforms and so it's gonna be cool man you know what though you're gonna be cool you get to see i'm so excited for you number one because thank you that sounds the story sounds amazing and the fact that it's got a comedy edge to it pulling off not i'm not a theater guy like i'm the last dude you should be listening to on that but pulling off live comedy where it's in script format yeah you know like i look at as an example some of those like the sitcoms with the live audience and stuff now they have applause signs you're not gonna have that right laugh signs but that's hard to be funny right and that's literally how we're taking it is that's exactly what it is we're it's it's like you're gonna go and watch a 55 minute long snl sketch when snl

was good or you're gonna watch a like a 55 minute episode of seinfeld it's just like that's that's exactly how we wanted to approach it how does it feel though like you made something you did something the few people that walk on this earth do you created a full script of something and more importantly you developed it and it's actually happening and you're gonna you're gonna be in it too that's that's that's a benefit but like sure you finished it it's gonna be put out there to the world if it sucks people will tell you but if it's good people will tell you and either way you're gonna be able to say all right step one we fucking did it like what what does that feel like it's um it's really rewarding man i mean that's that's the whole

point of doing everything i've always it's it's been instilled in me as a kid that you don't quit. My parents, if I wanted, if I started playing a sport and I wanted to quit it, they'd be like, well, too bad, bud. You got practice at five o'clock. You know, there was one time in my life, the only time my parents ever let me quit anything was in seventh grade i had decided i didn't want to play football anymore or no sixth grade you look like a second round draft pick man what are you doing you gave it up i went back no no i went back but sixth grade sixth grade i started doing theater and i was like fuck i'm like i really like this acting shit i really like it yeah you can laugh i'm just picturing your dad they casted me as kenicky and

grease and i was gonna sing grease lightning and i was like dude i fucking love this shit because i was always the personality and i told my parents i'm like i really want to quit football i want really bad i want to keep doing this acting stuff i mean i fucked up it was seventh grade and it wasn't it wasn't it wasnase. They had saw me do Grease the year before. They had seen something. They were like, oh shit, he's not just jerking around. He actually enjoys this.

He was funny. He was good at it. In seventh grade, I'm like, I don't want to do football and the theater. It's too much. I just don't care to play football. My parents were like, alright. They actually let me do it. That's's awesome they actually let me quit for me in my head you know what i've never met your dad in my life but i'm picturing the stereotypical north jersey what do you want to be an actor you want to go be a fairy dancer what are you what are you doing

but then in eighth grade i went back i played football too all right so you got the best yeah yeah but and then played it throughout high school and then i didn't do theater throughout high school i like switched and so that was something where you finish high school and it's like fuck i should have been doing that shit funny how that works yeah and then i go to mom at three your party my face off business major film minor and i'm like what the fuck am i doing wall street and movies baby that's it i'm like what the fuck am i doing Wall Street and movies baby that's it I'm like what am i doing here and then you know you go to and then that was it I went to New York but when I graduated

college I had met two filmmakers while I was in college and they had made their first feature film they got it on the Amazon Prime they didn't get some crazy deal but they got it and so I they had taken a liking to me. I became very good friends with them. And they're some of my best friends to this day, Mike Perrone and Jeff Makowski. And when I graduated college, they gave me an opportunity. They wanted me to direct a behind-the-scenes documentary on their feature film they were about to make. And so I started doing that.

It was starring Matthew Lawrence. He was trying to make his big return and really, a return and really do a big role. And they got him. And I was doing that. And, you know, the film had its issues. It got shut down after 25 days by the union, whole thing, and then finishing it over the pandemic. And so I got to experience that secondhand and some on someone else's project, because then they actually, they ultimately brought me on to the real camera crew, the principal crew brought me on to help produce like as an assistant. And so I got to experience

that through them. And I was like, fuck that. That is amazing. Like what a, after all this time doing it through the pandemic, we were shooting guerrilla style in new york when it was shut down and so then i'm like well you know i've always been the self-starter i've always made my own things and i was like it's time to really cash this shit in and do it big and so then i wrote that movie and i got to finish i got to finish that script and i finished it after you know 18 days and i'm like holy. You just locked in the apartment. Locked in. Zoned in.

Did that. Did you forget to eat? I mean, yeah, a little bit. Yeah. It was just. Good feeling. Dude, it was just, yeah. It was fucking incredible. And it was the greatest feeling because we did that group of people.

We did like a seven-person writing retreat in Vermont the last week of me finishing it. And so I got to the last three days changed environments and went somewhere else to finish it the last three days wow i was in a cabin in the middle of nowhere and it was just the best because i finished that movie and you know i was around friends filmmakers you know collaborators and i got you know they were so good to me in the sense of like everyone was there for me and they're like you just fucking did like people don't and not everyone gets to do this and we got to sit there and i got to hear it out loud we read it and oh you read it

all of us yeah together you know and what they think yeah it was it was like a powerful moment they're like dude you got you got it you got something how many pages was it the first draft was like 98 pages what's it at now now this the fifth draft we brought it down to like 84 so it was it was the fourth draft was 111 what what's the what's the genre of the movie rom-com a thriller thriller thriller drama yeah yeah and what's the concept uh it's about a writer going back to the jersey shore in the dead of winter to recount this summer years ago when he met this prolific jersey type of guy and they had a summer to remember that ended in a very bad tragedy and it's something he's pushed out of his mind for a long time, and he's coming back to come to grips with it as he writes about it. As he writes about it.

Yeah. Wow. Yeah, secret window meets the shining, meets the backdrop of the Jersey Shore in the winter. Wow. A ghost at Seaside Heights in the winter. Are you reading my mind? You took that.

That's, wow. That's exactly. So I guess you got the intended effect because i was like yeah i'm thinking of the debt movie where he's right in the window and then i'm thinking of fucking wow yeah wow it's just like all those moments that i got to get a little taste and it's like it's not even a big deal you finish a script it's not like you sold it it's not like you made it it's not like but you finish i got i got those tastes and it's just that's been a driving factor ever since and it's just like it's it's drugs dude it's drugs

how now it was 18 days so it's fast and that whole thing of changing i didn't write the second draft until for five more months after that that's probably good yeah that's what happened but like you changed environments which is crazy to me like when i get in a zone yeah don't fucking walk through that door don't move me i don't care if i haven't eaten in a day like i'm in that kind of zone just let it fucking happen i was in i was in the smallest bedroom of that six bedroom house i was paying 800 bucks a month for it i was in there that's so like imagine my setting it was like me in a tiny bedroom writing literally like this character but you felt cramped i felt cramped and you know i love i love nature i'm i'm into that so i'm like fuck dude we're all about to go up there

and have our little escape and fucking tree hugger escape yeah dude like there's something i there is something i fucking love about going to the middle of nowhere and making things. It makes sense why Kanye lives in Wyoming. It all makes sense because it's like, yeah, man, you can do it in the city, but there's also a spiritual thing. It's like you're almost connecting to some sort of higher power where you can sit in a place and you look out and you see virtually nothing to then make to then make everything it's true i do like i believe in going for walks yeah to inspire creativity heavily obviously like i work out every day yeah so that's that's big for me because i didn't for a while i couldn't do that because i had a health problem that turned out to be cool like totally good and once it was figured out and so i can't for now i can't work out at all the way i want to but like i had gotten to it like i'm a zero or a hundred guy

you know so i'd gotten to a point where for seven eight straight years i worked out six to seven days a week lift and then i did a lot of cardio too and so because i couldn't do it at a hundred percent i just really without thinking about it, I stopped doing it. And then I finally figured out like, wait, this is a negative thing on my life. I also looked horrible and whatever. So I was like, okay. And I just do it every day no matter what. And that clears my head.

But between that and like getting in there and like getting in touch, like when you start to actually sweat a little bit, like, oh, yeah, that will work. Or like you're doing the rep and you're like, oh, yeah, wow, what about that too? But then even something as simple as like taking the dog for a walk especially back here in basically alabama yeah you're just kind of chilling and then you start to pick up the pace a little bit maybe put some music in and suddenly it comes to you it's i i definitely agree with you even if you're someone who's more of a city guy like you or like me yeah there's an appreciation you can have for that if you're in the city take a walk and if you're in the middle of nowhere sit and listen to silence you know i find the shower i love taking showers i swear by it because and you know what i was

talking about it on my podcast with my buddy matt because he still lives in he's still in north jersey he's in the burbs still so his is like driving i'm like well i can't drive so my thing is like i like taking a shower it's like i can finally think and then walking like yesterday yesterday we we ran through this play three times so we did the full play three times we did a big rehearsal yesterday after the rehearsal went to the grizzly pear started mapping out how the show is going to be put on next week because we're not going to do it on a tiny little stage for a comedian yeah but then after that i was so fucking dead but after that i'm like dude i'm just been going on fumes for the last three months i'm like i just want to do nothing more than just i want to roll a joint i want to go i want to walk like four miles and i just want to like put on music and just be in my head.

And dude, it was fucking amazing. Like after all of that yesterday, I rolled a little duber and I walked from like West 3rd Street to almost like 40th. And but like, but like I would go up and then go over two avenues, then go up some more, go back an avenue. And I just was literally i was just literally walking and listening and they felt so good and i had a few good ideas that i put down but it's just like stuff like that you need it i think you need it people don't use that as a tool in new york and i don't understand why well because it's like you said you're a zero to 100 guy i'm like i'm pretty much the same way it's like yeah, yeah, you think that it's like, you need to be like the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the pounding the pavement, pounding the

pavement. But it's like, it's very important that you get that time, whether it's taking a personal day or it's like just taking two hours of every day to disconnect or do this or that, or just to work out, but you need to have that stuff. Cause if not, that's another way to drive yourself into the frenzy we talked about. If you're just always on all the time and you don't even take 10 minutes yeah yeah it's like it's gonna hinder it's gonna hinder the work and that's what i say to people like when they're when they're like dude you're really like you need balance i'm like well i do have it in my own little way i take time to myself every day to work on my health and whatever but again again, like we were already saying earlier, don't need to relitigate. But this is the time where, yeah, I do have to do everything.

And so I work all the fucking time. But within that, your point being like finding the places to be able to reset your center to get the juices flowing. It's critical, man. And I've definitely seen a difference. I've seen a difference in my mentality. I think I'm like 70 days into working out every day again yeah i said we're going to start at 56 because that's double 28 yeah because 28 is where you form a habit i'm like well let's double that up and i knew i know myself i'm like when i get to 56 i'll say we're going to 100. when i go to 100 i'll say 200. i've done it hung over a couple times because i've had to go

somewhere and like we drank and the next day still fucking did it because there's something yeah you show up and it ends up being therapeutic for you and and like it will affect how you look at like how you take the l's and handle w's like i was at a point where i couldn't even see W's and then the L's I'd just be like fuck man yeah you know people don't see that behind the scene but I'm like that's because there's you know you had eight years of letting a beast run every day yeah and now you took that away well what the fuck do you think is gonna happen you need to let it run if it can only jog let it jog yeah and you need to readjust and think about how you're looking at the W's and the L's and some you'll start to

realize that one, your first W of the day is waking up and hitting whatever your routine is. That's a W. Huge W. You know, you said you were going to make breakfast, get this and that done. You did it. That's three W's. You just stacked up right there. So true, man. So easy to just be like, oh, well I woke up and brushed my teeth, got ready, had breakfast and got organized. Like that's what I'm supposed to do. But it's like, that's a w yeah you go on with the rest of the day being like you already stocked one up before 9 a.m because you did all that shit you know when you start piecing it down like that it is so true man it seems small but it is those small things add up if a great person for you to check out wes watson he was i don't know he was locked up in like california

state penitentiary for a decade and this motherfucker is just he is he outworks every he's up 215 every day he is a bad motherfucker like a goggins type but yeah he's he's a guy he's a goggins type but he's like the street goggins like he was like gang member like straight like Cal you know like that Cali that Cali penitentiary life was some crazy shit too and he's just but it's all gems bro you gotta you stack those W's up with everything you do and then also being mindful of like when you need your time like you said like you got like I I know with me if like if I go if I really go too hard enough I know the day does come and I'm gonna to get like, I'm going to get sick. I'll get my, I'll get that cold I get every now and then or something.

So it's like, I need, I know that like, I always need to have that time, whether it's like after 15 days straight of going at it. Or if I know that this week's going to be light, it's like, good. Take one of those days, take a, take a good couple hours to just really you know take care of yourself yeah you seem to have a really good really good perspective on that and i always like listening to people see how they handle it and i actually love for example that's why i'm gonna check that guy out but like i love talking to guys who have done great things after prison life and previous life ended yeah their perspective on the smallest stuff small little freedoms like it's i can listen to my friend big dan thayer who i had on here talk about that all day because he wasn't in touch with it he got put in the system when he was like 15

like seven years for yeah for something that was fucked up that like he defended himself kind of deal but like you know then he goes in this crazy life of crime and drugs and drugs and crime and crime and drugs and it took his what ended up being his last little bit in prison for him to finally realize when he would look out the window just the little window right there and see like a bird he'd be like oh wow that's freedom yeah and then boom yeah man he turned that light he turned that switch himself i could listen that all day because you're in a situation there where every odd was stacked against him and he found a way and he did it by recognizing the smallest little wins like a bird representing freedom it's a beautiful thing that's facts there there there is there is beauty in every single thing and the the world is this is

one of the things he says that i really like i'm gonna butcher it a little bit but it's like the world isn't the way it is it's the way you are that's i love that shit because it's true the way the way you're seeing the world that's how it is so you better try and look at it with the best perspective that you can or at least try and be as positive as you can yeah you've seen the meme of like the cartoon of the person on the bus and they're looking out each other yeah oh dude that's but it's it's it's so corny and like funny because you but it's it's facts it's true it's facts well that's listen dude i i think you're young you're doing the harder parts of of

creativity whether it's like anything from like making yourself into a comedian now to also you wrote a play that you're starring in you you wrote a movie script that you have in the bank it's done no one can ever take that from you yeah i love hearing about that stuff because you've already taken the actions like i don't know if you recognize that but like you're you're the line started a long time ago and like you're down it and you obviously have a fuck ton of talent that's why i wanted to bring you in here i appreciate how you think and everything but like thank you you're gonna get there with the mentality you have right now if you don't lose that you know maybe that first maybe that

first screenplay is the one that goes maybe it's the one right after that yeah but like you already got one in the books maybe it's enough to just put me on the just put me in the conversation with something yeah dude that's what it's all about man that's it that's what it's all about and you're doing it with this too i'm trying to fucking that's what it's all about baby gotta fucking do a damn thing and make it yours you talk about like that legacy thing if you build something no one can take it from you

it's there forever you live forever each of us gets to live forever because of that and that's fucking special some people are gone and they are gone for good you can only worry about yourself though in that way you can help people but you can only worry about yourself though you know in that

way yes sir you can help people but you gotta help yourself first to be able to do that so once again where's that play playing it's gonna be saturday june 11th at the grizzly pear comedy club in new york city 4 p.m tickets are available on my instagram at joef. And you could also see it July 15th at the YMCA in Wayne, New Jersey. The YMCA. 8 PM. Yeah. In their theater.

400 seater. We're packing that bitch out people. Not YMCA's are doing well these days. Fuck. Yeah. Yeah. And then where's the, where's the,

the festival again, Edinburgh, Edinburgh, Scotland. So we'll be in Edinburgh, Scotland at the fringe festival at the hill street theater august 5th to the 28th so you know beautiful if you're out there folks all right make sure i put a link to that on there so for sure see that for sure that's fucking awesome man

yeah i'm happy for you thank you i appreciate you thanks for coming down here dude thanks for having me like i told you it was nice to have a two-hour drive of just like, it was like the shower or the walk, you know? I was just like banging some music, and I'm like, nice. We're cruising. It's going to be, it might be a long one home with our shore folk coming home. It might be. You'll hit a little traffic at 7A, but you'll be all right after that.

We do it for the love of the game, son. That's it. I'm glad to have been here. Thank you for having me, man. Pleasure to finally meet you in person. Yeah, dude. Yeah, I was like a shitty date. I was like a shitty date.

I'd be like, yeah, I'm going to be down. We could go get drinks on Tuesday. Oh, yeah, and then it's up four months later. Yeah, Tuesday doesn't work. But no, we made it happen, man. Seriously, thank you for fucking having me. Well, John Rondy's comedian guy lives on in my phone. Yeah, Rondy, the fucking...

We'll keep it that way. He makes it happen. He does make it happen, man. That it hell yeah i love that guy great dude i love him too but we'll do it again all right bro absolutely man good luck with the play thanks brother everybody else you know what it is give it a thought get back to me peace you