Julian Dorey Podcast - #242 - Satanic Cults, Black Israelites & Trap Houses | Tommy G

Starting point is 00:00:00 That's how big it is. That's how big it is. They don't even use it. Like, the number one thing. They don't even use it against them. How odd that even CNN... Like, guys, that would be the death shot. That should be the...

Starting point is 00:00:11 We're wiping them out. We're clearing the way for Biden or Harris. Easy. Would be... Here... Dup world, bro. It gets dark and it gets scary when you think about these circles

Starting point is 00:00:27 and like we separate them now with like us and the elites and everything and yeah like that's fair but also I wonder how much of it is just like manufactured by us versus then the things that are real where some of these people at the very least are doing things that are just

Starting point is 00:00:42 beyond that's a side of the world that you almost don't want to spend much time looking into it. Because you can... Hey guys, if you're not following me on Spotify, please take a second to hit that button and leave a five star review. It is a huge, huge help to the show. And you can also follow me on Instagram and on X by using the links in my description. Thank you. Full house tonight, boys. Got Tommy G, got the whole Tommy G team, Miguel, Keegan. Welcome, boys. Appreciate it. Howdy, partner. What are we doing in town this time? Methodo Mayo. So we start off in Boston. We hit Methodo Mayo. We hit into the hoods of Boston.

Starting point is 00:01:21 So we had this really fresh white boy named millies take us to a few different spots but we talked to everyone from a harvard professor to a guy i don't know if i can say this early on in the episode but a guy cooking crack and uh miguel all of us were like this we're just we were getting a little scared so we just kept like this the whole time play a little fetty in the background we were doing it that. That's it. That's it. What's it like to cook crack? What does that look like? He kind of just, what was it?

Starting point is 00:01:51 Bake or he just threw crack and baking soda into a little pitcher. And then he got a pot, heated it up. If you listen to a few young Jeezy songs, you know how to make crack. You get the Pyrex on the pot you whip it up it makes it sound like it's such like a cool like i'm whipping up the pot oh oh and then you really are like oh i'm yeah i'm cooking up crack so that we were in some old guy's apartment he was using one of his customers houses and there was some old guy that was just on the couch smoking crack and he was just like this is just this is a bit unusual how do you how do you source one like that

Starting point is 00:02:28 i put on my story looking for a crack house asap gloves ski masks sunglasses sleeves and then within about 15 minutes we had like 10 leads you had 10 leads yeah how many cities i just i specified for boston and lorne's so we had a fine-tooth comb and you gotta you gotta figure out from their picture like when it's like finesse flex or 207 and like their pictures are like them flexing cash you're like yeah that's probably a good bet you know so you start to like you can pick up the profile like even the like profile description is like long live trey trey you're like oh yeah that may have been it too you know what's the like when you go into something like that though we talked about this last time when you made videos like the most dangerous hood and shit like that but like are you ever

Starting point is 00:03:16 afraid even at this point like oh shit i may be going in somewhere where bullets may start flying something we were talking about in the car ride home yesterday is we've gotten desensitized but it's kind of like this if me and you go outside and see a gunshot victim we're like oh my gosh there's a gunshot it's a gaping chest wound like but if an emergency room doctor sees it it's like yep okay get the gauze get the gloves we're gone so it's kind of like that we've done enough of these operations that we're not nearly as scared as we should be but like what the reason we were talking about it is the crack dealer we asked him you know had you ever killed have you ever unalived a customer and he's like yeah i went to this lady's house and she just

Starting point is 00:03:54 kept buying i kept serving like she kept buying and then i knew i knew she was on her last dose so i gave it to her and then i just walked out and she you you know, unalived later that day. Oh, my God. And I'm just like, that should have been like a stop and me like, what did you just say? But we're just like, oh, yeah, next question. Like, it wasn't like. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you're talking to people that have a whole different understanding of reality than you do.

Starting point is 00:04:20 And yet you're in here doing these stories all the time. So, like, you get where they're coming from, but there's a disconnect there because it's like you're there to document, but you would never – you could – I would imagine you could never imagine yourself being in the middle of that. It's interesting figuring out their reasons because they always – they're always pretty well rationalized. They always have like, well, when you come from the bottom like me, this is what you got to do. And so it's just business. They've seen it. Their uncles were doing it. Their brothers were doing it, yada, yada. So it's not really, I haven't met one guy that's like, I know this is a crazy business. I know it's kind of bad. I'm going to, it's all like all guys that want to hustle to the point where they can go legal. Hey, I need enough money so I can buy a truck and start a trucking company or I'm launching this i'm launching that they all have kind of a dream of going

Starting point is 00:05:06 legal but first they got to hustle a little bit to get there and then they get stuck in that loop they get stuck and they never want to get rid of it or they go to prison before they make the money but the thing is what are you going to do get a duffel bag full of 100k in your apartment and just hope that no one steals i hope that it's gonna so then yeah there's this it's there's this dream and they kind of think this is my only way to really get out of it and then that inevitably puts shackles on their life and uh but you like i don't know it was like you you think like this is an evil person this is a bad person then you talk to him and it's like they seem evil in the moment and then

Starting point is 00:05:46 after he's like hey tommy can i get a picture i'm a huge fan like he's super chill normal kid yeah like when i had brian mcmonigal in here bill cosby's lawyer meek mills lawyer really high-powered defense attorney he talks about that because he represents a lot of guys who you know he won't say it but, they murdered motherfuckers and shit. Like, these are bad people. But he'll talk about these little moments of humanity that he'll see from them that makes it, like, worth it to defend them. And I don't know. The way he puts it is similar because it's almost like they can – there's these moments or these places that they can be. Maybe in this case, it takes being around a documentary film team

Starting point is 00:06:26 for them to like step outside of their reality for a minute and be a normal person. But then the minute that you leave or you're not there, the minute like Brian McMonagle's not in the room with them, they're back to whatever it is. That's really like a sad cycle to me to see that happen. I think a lot of these guys are good if you took them to a different environment with different opportunities different education but they say product

Starting point is 00:06:52 your environment and it's so true but the thing is i don't i don't see the way out of it what do you guys think it's just a cycle i don't think it'll end i mean i don't think it'll ever end yeah it's it's tough to say because i feel like a lot of times when you talk to him like yeah you do see the humanity in him you're like yeah like hey if you just grew up in a different environment you know you'd probably be running a business or working at a bank but instead you're at the same time you want to have, like, you know how much personal responsibility matters, so you don't want to let them off the hook.

Starting point is 00:07:30 It's kind of just like, how are none of the guys in your crew being like, yo, this is a little bit, like, you just serve that person until they die, dude? Like, what are you doing? There's no one there to check them because it's like, well, I'm in the same rat race you are.

Starting point is 00:07:45 Oh, you made three bands? Nice, dude. It's like they've been around that their whole life. I mean, like, Miguel, because you came on board, what, a couple years ago? Filming everything for Tommy? Had you filmed anything like the stories that Tommy's doing before you worked with him? Before Tom, I would film a lot of, like, rap music videos. And maybe you're familiar with Washington Heights heights here of course so i'd film there

Starting point is 00:08:08 and um any other chances around here you would be familiar with now but yeah like i'd go down there at 11 o'clock at night by myself with someone else to help me with a tripod and then so when i came with i mean keegan was already filming at the time too so when i came with these two guys and like he's jacked he knows how to fight nobody's gonna fuck with tommy g you know i mean so i was more safe when i was showing up with two other people yeah wearing a bulletproof vest with a big press thing on it you'll be all right and what about you keegan um no i i didn't even film really much prior to working with tom um i was i just left my job to go full-time into real estate and just had the free time to film.

Starting point is 00:08:50 And it was a culture shock because I was going from just a super suburban upbringing and just a pretty normal corporate world to filming the wildest things on... Crack houses. Yeah, crack houses. How do your parents feel about some of these subject matters not a fan no my mom's uh occasionally uh a bit frightened

Starting point is 00:09:13 of where we're going yeah keegan so we sent him on one of his first solo missions he stayed with these guys the black israelites in harlem oh that was you doing that sorry i was out of town you're supposed to hang here it's all good anytime you guys like need a crash here like that was you doing that? Sorry, I was out of town. You're supposed to hang here. It's all good. Anytime you guys need a crash here, that was my best friend getting married. Anytime you guys, we got space. Appreciate you. So we sent him into the mix, and on paper it's like, it's this group that hates white people, and you're sending Keegan, my wife. He's like, what are you doing?

Starting point is 00:09:39 You're sending him alone there? And he didn't even tell his mom where he's going. Yeah. What were they like and can you tell people who they are yes more than what tommy just said so the black israelites um they're you know you look them up the first thing it's going to pop up it's like splc adl it's like hate group hate right and so predictable you know yeah pretty pretty predictable and so you know he's like you know i'm you know pretty white and so i'm know, he's like, you know, I'm, you know, pretty white. And so I'm going into it like, yeah, if you can tell from the camera.

Starting point is 00:10:11 And I'm like, you know, it's a hate group. But, you know, I'm also going there with a camera. And, you know, maybe I'm just a fool for thinking that, you know, the cameraman never dies. Well, did they treat you well like because you're there documenting like it's almost like you're different you're not just some random white guy on the street they're like oh key it's like they give you like they give you the token pass for the day no no i was i was the token white guy they like keegan a lot so when we showed up there's no parking in new york obviously so they're they're in a park they're in this giant

Starting point is 00:10:42 circle all wearing black boots like leather cuffs like 80s action figures and they're in a park. They're in this giant circle, all wearing black boots, like leather cuffs, like 80s action figures. And they're doing push-ups. Their first day of Hebrew camp. Hebrew camp. Yes. And we couldn't find a parking spot. So it's like, okay, Keegan. He parked.

Starting point is 00:10:54 Me and Miguel go. They're like, where's Keegan? And they really wanted to see Keegan. And they actually felt pretty comfortable. Like, oh, Keegan's over there. Okay, good. And I just feel like all the people we could have sent, too. A guy named Keegan is probably one of the whitest people you can send and they really like

Starting point is 00:11:10 this because also they weren't afraid to laugh especially captain tazariak was our main guy that we were talking to captain tazariak yeah it sounds like a real straight shooter yeah captain t it was so fun because like so i'm like okay let's get to the chase here. Like, you guys want to enslave white people? He's like, yeah, you kind of deserve it. And so I was like, I was calling him massa and doing pushups and stuff. And I'm like, what kind of slave activities would you have me do? Like, am I going to be a house honky or a field honky? And they were still thinking of the chores I'd be responsible for but they promised to be a nice

Starting point is 00:11:45 master you were calling a master i was doing push-ups like hey master can i go get a water break does it show how ridiculous their thinking is you know and it was almost like i would you ask them certain things and be like okay but do you like you really think so black jesus is going to come back and everyone's going to be enslaved from whites, Chinese, Japanese. But Latinos are in their group. Native Americans are in there. You're all right. I'm good.

Starting point is 00:12:10 Miguel is the only guy that can officially join them. Miguel is going to whip us one day. Yeah. So that's the sole goal. They want to enslave the population. They've got a couple other goals what's the what are the other goals so they're looking to uh you know just rule the world and you know they said that when they rule the world that everything's just going to be

Starting point is 00:12:35 peaches and cream what is their what is their stake to being obviously they call themselves israelites so i assume because i don't know much about them i assume that has something to do with the holy land over there like everything else seems to have to do with that do they think that they are the direct descendants of of that land yeah i mean they they're there's a couple passages that they'll read where it's like you know the you know they're talking about revelations and it's like you know um he had, he had feet of bronze, his feet were like bronze, his, his hair was like white wool or like two or three inches from the mic. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Is that better? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:13:11 Or they'll like be reading like the song of Solomon where it's like, you know, it's one of his wives or one of his girlfriends who is when you read the literature, like it's her and she's black. And it's like, okay, this is obviously, you you know an interracial relationship but they're they just misquote it and they're like i am the quote is i am black and they're like yep solomon was black they have a few different bible verses that they love to take generous interpretations with that end in them enslaving us i'm assuming it ends with them actually enslaving us oh yeah oh yeah they're gonna be i'm gonna be feeding uh captain t grapes after black jesus comes back right okay yeah see it kind of blows my mind there's a couple things

Starting point is 00:13:51 here it blows my mind number one that we can take things that are supposed to be sacred to humanity and turn it towards just very specific parts of humanity, literally separating people by race, and then try to use that, which is like a form of holiness, in air quotes there, as power. That kind of blows my mind. Number two, it's like, how many times are we going to talk about the translations of any ancient text to say nothing of the Bible? You can look at the English translation of like, I don't know, whatever, there's all different names of Bibles. I'll butcher it. But like, you can look at the English translation of like one verse in the Bible and see that there's 40 different interpretations of it,

Starting point is 00:14:34 where if one word is here versus there, it completely changes the entire meaning of a sentence. So you have people who are hanging on to, in this case, and in any case, really, not just them, like, this interpretation of this verse that could totally be wrong, hypothetically. Did you go to church as a kid? I did. Yeah, I grew up Catholic. So, oh. And that's why you get all these different interpretations. That's why you have the Lutherans, the Evangelicals, the Baptists. And all of them will tell you, like, they're the

Starting point is 00:15:02 ones that interpret the Bible correctly. And it's funny how they'll take very obscure lines. Like, there's certain churches that don't have women pastors because they look at one line for it. Or they're really focused on homosexuality because there's maybe one line in the Bible. But the most important thing that's mentioned frequently in the Bible is loving your neighbor and the love of Jesus. But it's like, no, no, no, skip that part and let's enslave someone. I mean, even the Ku Klux Klan, that's what I told these guys. I'm like, you are not that much different from the Ku Klux Klan. You're using the Bible in messed up ways to try and do some sort of perverted agenda.

Starting point is 00:15:37 But they believe it. And you almost can't be sure that they believe it. Because it's so ridiculous that you're like, okay, you guys can laugh now. You guys can kind of like give up the joke and they're like they're so dead serious about it that you want to laugh in their face did you get a chance to ask a lot of these guys about like their upbringing or their childhood or things that push them towards getting to this belief that was the one thing that i like you know obviously shootings done with this one but i wish we had asked more of that because it's like, you know, like, why are you latching on to something where, you know, you just have like hate for 70% of the world? Like, what makes you tick? Like, what caused you to just dislike white people, dislike Asians?

Starting point is 00:16:22 Like, why are you the way you are and i feel like it's probably upbringing with a lot of them yeah i mean i always look at it like people get pushed to where they are it's not to say you then excuse what people do but you know whenever i look at really sad situations where someone became like evil or something like that, my first thought is, okay, how can we – and this is – just bear with me here. How can we empathize with how they got to that point? Not empathize with who they are or what they do but how they got to that point so that we can figure out that one less of them or a couple less of them exists in the next generation. And statistically, you know, we have more access to news now than ever before around the world. So we constantly see everything that's wrong. But statistically, if you look at guys like Steven Pinker's, like across different ways to measure society, we are living in the best society ever. We do

Starting point is 00:17:21 continually make progress. Sometimes like we'll take a little step back for a year or two, but overall, like you'll see murder rates go down or, you know, overall crime go down or sustenance go up and stuff like that. So I try to keep that in mind, but it also always blows my mind that in a world where we have access to so many people and so many different perspectives, we have found a way to still get into our, sometimes in this case, like extreme tribes. What is it about humans that we always think the sky is falling? You were saying with Steven Pinker that it's demonstrably getting better.

Starting point is 00:17:54 We have a little bit of a dip, but right now I think a lot of Americans feel like things are getting out of control. We're on the decline. It's a fall of empire. Our era is over. Is the sky really falling? But I feel like humans are just always conditioned to be like, well, it's a fall of empire our era is over is the sky really falling but i feel

Starting point is 00:18:05 like humans are just always conditioned to be like well it's been a great run and it's about to go down from here is that an evolutionary instinct of hey we need to survive we're scared we have to always find the next way or why are we so latched on to things are going to shit what do you guys think yeah i mean i think you know evolutionarily like we didn't live like we live because we look like found the the bad things ran away from them yes we're just programmed to look for the negative i mean you get cut off in traffic and it ruins your day even if the day was fantastic so i think just like looking for the things that are going to kill you are you know make the sky fall is what we're just programmed to look for negative things are so

Starting point is 00:18:50 much more strong for some reason you get a hundred nice comments one mean one you're like oh gosh like yep i feel like a pile of trash and do you think that's a good evolutionary adaptation or is that just a curse of being a human i think it's i think it's more the latter i think that's a good evolutionary adaptation or is that just a curse of being a human? I think it's more the latter. I think it's more a curse of being a human, unfortunately, because we adapt it to what our environment lets us take in as an impetus. So in English, 6,000 years ago, we were running from the bear who was coming to get us right when we walked out of our cave and we hope we live that day. Like that was our worry, the bear. Now we're running from what someone may say on social media that may fuck with our worldview or disagree with it or be something mean about us if it's directed our way.

Starting point is 00:19:37 So we are more trained to see that and we're also living in a world that incentivizes that if i go on youtube and i put out the title analyst issues stark warning about potential world war three and i double test that with analyst says things are looking good for geopolitics two years from now which one do you think is getting clicks definitely the former right so and and i think about this a lot because i've tried to really tell at least on my end tone down titles a ton over the past year and sometimes it doesn't work and then like i'll call danny jones and he'll make a title like oh jesus christ is using children as drugs and it gets a fucking 12 click through And my income is based on motherfuckers clicking shit. I mean, you guys understand this is the world you live in too. And yet I wonder what that's doing to us

Starting point is 00:20:33 because it, that incentive loop is affecting creation down to consumption in a, in a 360 manner at all times. It would be nice to cover more stories about the guy that volunteers at the homeless shelter or he visits his grandma every saturday at the nursing home and makes your banana bread with chocolate chips in it and they have a great time but there is something about you want to see into the the dark side of humanity that's why even with women it's so popular to have those murder podcasts because for some reason even though it's so horrible and so disgusting and degenerate you can't help but be captivated by the dark side of our shadow that lurks within every single one of us and i think the cool thing about what we get to do is we get

Starting point is 00:21:14 to have these crazy titles but every one of them is a real thing that we're exploring and uh it's it's a weird journey of desensitization like we can just be on methadone mile and there's a guy xylosine scratching and he shakes, and then afterwards you shake his hand and it's like, oh, well, you know, I need some hand sanitizer right away, but I'm still shaking his hand because he's a human, you know?

Starting point is 00:21:37 But I think it makes this job endlessly fascinating and then we're never going to run out of stories because that captivation of the dark side will always be there but we do want to definitely have a push of more positive episodes as well we just did one with a billionaire who is tarik yes and he a real estate billionaire i should say for pr purposes and very good man and also like the focus of being inner wealth is way more important than any material thing. So we definitely want to, what does he mean by that? He means you could be the guy that have the jets, the mansions, homes in all these different locations, but you will never

Starting point is 00:22:15 truly be happy if you're not working on your inner self. So focus on family, focus on exercise, focus on building that community that brotherhood that meaning that purpose and so he's wrote a book about it and we want to cover more guys like that i want to be like go to mark cuban be like i love what you're doing with the pharmaceutical world we want to highlight that so i don't always give people like this place is scary it's dangerous right but i do want to keep it uh legit like i don't think there's there's a lot of clickbait out there i don't think someone can's a lot of clickbait out there. I don't think someone can go through one of our pieces and be like, well, you did inside a trap house.

Starting point is 00:22:49 Well, it is a trap house or it's the most dangerous part of South Dakota. Like we looked it up. It is. Yeah. Do you think that in some of your videos where you're exploring the dark side, like I'm thinking of the first one that popped off, the Kia Boys. What's the kid's name again? Mr. E yeah mr ebrake shout out mr ebrake we talked about him a lot the last time you were here in episode 197 it's like he obviously there there's some disconnect there where when you leave him you realize you can't

Starting point is 00:23:21 be his dad or his older brother he's got to make his own decisions but like he's not making the right decisions and you do try to keep up with him but he's still not doing that which is not exactly a happy ending to that story but do you see in some of these videos that some of the people you come across there is like a silver lining at the end or a potential light at the end of the tunnel that's a really cool thing i think despite us diving into the dark side there's always a redeemable character that we meet that you're cheering for in a weird way, like the car thief.

Starting point is 00:23:50 He's a prolific car thief, but he's so smart. And he has this rationalization that he does it because he wants to support his daughter. And he also has a lot of people that rely on him. So while we're with him, people are texting him like, hey, I need 1,200 rents too. And it's like, okay, I'm going on on a mission tonight and so you see that even though it's like if he stole your car you'd be like you'd want to strangle this guy but you see it from the

Starting point is 00:24:12 other point of view where it's like robin hood yeah you see the humanity and all these people and we all have to tell ourselves a story so that we do what we do like our guy king tuck down in tucson that runs the sketchiest motel of the certain type of trade. But within this guy, it's like you send him the copy of the video and he's like, oh man, that was so cool. They're just dudes at the end of the day. Right. Now, when you were here in March, you filmed what ended up becoming the biggest video I think you've ever done, the most wanted drivers in New York. And I had a chance to come out and see some of that and talk with some of these guys too, but since then we've seen one of the drivers who was his own thing not associated

Starting point is 00:24:52 With swim team directly, but we've seen squeeze bends. He went down. He went down. Yeah now I told you at that dinner 90 days. I Told you I'm like because the other guy could tell, first of all, he was young. Reckless as hell. Reckless as fuck, bro. And let's just say what he got booked for had nothing even to do with... Yeah, how did he go down again? I shouldn't have said... It had nothing to do with...

Starting point is 00:25:16 He would never do that. Bleep out what I said. Please bleep it out. But it didn't have to do with that either. I mean, this guy had his hands in things that had nothing to do with driving. Let's just say that. Yeah. And please do bleep out what I said.

Starting point is 00:25:27 Okay. Yeah. Unless he's making a note of that. But like you see stuff like that. There's a Freudian slip of the worst degree. Having a chance to talk with someone like that, though, like one of the questions I asked them. And by the way, the documentary you guys did was actually amazing. Not just the views on it, but. How long did you turn that around in that you guys were

Starting point is 00:25:47 hustling we were absolute cojones because uh in the middle of editing that uh where's 981 is like oh can you can you blur out or put a little bar here on me and my five guys initially they were all good to go and all of a sudden he's got to do a moving blur yeah so it took us i mean we were both going at it like 15 hour days me and this other editor jack shot jack by the way juiced up baby um can we pull up that video let's see by the way while while we're talking yeah so that that's another thing with these videos is sometimes a lot of these guys when we pull up like oh we're good we're good you don't need to blur us and then like halfway through editing it they're like wait can you actually blur everybody yeah or that we

Starting point is 00:26:23 just put this one out in south dakota and at the end of the video we visit a little trap house nothing major and it's just like a little they're the guys are selling weed it's not a big deal but we put it out and all of a sudden oh man i got raided two months ago and i was wearing that same sweatshirt that you interviewed me that you gotta delete that and just like dude so obviously we do because the streets love us and we're gonna honor that and but it's really it is frustrating like because when we go there it's like you're gonna wear we tell them exactly what to wear you should wear sleeves gloves mask ski all that so that and then all we got to do is change your voice and we're in the clear and they're like

Starting point is 00:26:58 no no no now we don't even allow them to say no no no we like we make them do it because on the back end miguel is going to be right punching himself if which by the way we have to talk to because we're having where's 981 in here next week good guy we really really smart really clever yeah he he was he was he was at that thing but i i had a chance to talk with him thanks for hooking that up it's it's like they're what they do is wrong they're in a different lane though, no pun intended, than like squeeze bends. Squeeze is a lot more on the edge. Yeah. And they have their hands in different worlds.

Starting point is 00:27:33 For sure. What do you think makes those guys though – because like for people out there who haven't seen this video, like they drive at 180 miles 190 miles an hour weaving weaving swimming they say swimming that's why there's one team yes in new york city which objectively is you know not just putting their lives in danger it's putting everyone else around them's lives in danger because i don't care how good a driver you are someone makes one inch of a move that could be a perfectly legal turn and you're coming the wrong way like everyone's dead You see on their own videos They are so close to death and destruction and they just they pull it off and then they laugh and then they keep going they

Starting point is 00:28:12 Upload the next video and it's a little drug There is something within certain people that are compelled to push it to the absolute edge There's the the Tony Ferguson's of the world that you know should you know, you did had a great career You have nothing to hang your hat about, but I got to keep fighting. I'm going to keep getting punched in the face. Like there's some people that just can't turn off that inkling or that inclination, I should say, to push it to the edge. The Alex Honolds of the world. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:28:37 They go out there and that's where they feel most alive and they put themselves in those positions. And a lot of times they win but it takes one slip one gust of air one guy without a turn signal and do you think they can ever turn that off do you think like because i mean we'll ask like where's 981 obviously we'll talk about this with him but you know he has talked about at least with me off camera about oh i don't want to do this forever or whatever but do you believe that he's a special case i think it's the difference of the short-term thinkers versus long-term thinkers where's 981 as a very business-minded guy that already has things mapped out he knows where he wants to go he knows where he wants to transfer

Starting point is 00:29:19 but a lot of these guys are day-to-day in the moment oh this is happening tonight okay bet i'm on it and i think it comes with age too the youngsters are more likely to do this and it really takes it it takes a wake-up call similar to an addict you know it takes getting kicked out of your mom's house sleeping on the street itching your arm until it gets infected until you're like you know what maybe i should go to recovery and it's the same kind of thing within pursuits of adrenaline it takes oh i'm the squirrel suit guy and i oh my foot hit the mountain like you know what maybe that's my sign that i need to find another hobby so i think with a lot of people especially when they're young because if when you have that momentum going as a young man where you just you keep winning and

Starting point is 00:30:02 winning and then with the add the social media you know there's people all over the country the world being like you're the man you're like you're evil kenevo you're the 2024 evil kenevo there's a certain like pride and purpose that comes with that so how do you shut that off it's the infinite loop i don't i don't know that that's that's kind of the idea that's when i what i want to get out with him and you might be right he he could be a special case because he does have thoughts about things well beyond driving, but like a lot of these guys, like that's what they know, you know, it's not like they went to Harvard and it's not that they're stupid either. No, no, no, no, no. This is what they're obsessed with. This is what they want to

Starting point is 00:30:40 shred on that guitar. And the guitar happens to be a car going 180 miles an hour. Yeah. I thought that, can we go to the part – I just saw it popping up there on the screen, Alessi, and we'll have to turn around Keegan's mic for a minute while we do this. Yeah, go back to like three minutes when Tommy starts talking with the people in the airport. Yeah, right in there. I want to get this because I thought this was really good. You were just chatting with people, I guess, in LaGuardia right there? All right, we got it on? Can we turn the mic towards the what's your reaction i believe it i just feel like it's

Starting point is 00:31:14 taken away for some period of time and probably have to go through fake driving classes maybe talk to people who are victims of people i think you should be commensurate with like attempted manslaughter or something like i mean yeah that's in effect you're putting people at risk intentionally when you go a certain speed over the speed limit if you were his mother or father what would you tell him that he's a selfish idiot one of these days somebody is gonna get in his way, and that person is going to end up dead, or many people are going to end up dead. And if he ends up dead, that's his consequence for what he does.

Starting point is 00:31:50 But nobody else deserves to have that kind of risk. It's no different than someone who's really drunk getting behind the wheel of a car and driving when they have no control. I mean, your car is actually like a weapon of mass destruction. It has to be handled with care. It's worse than being drunk and getting behind the wheel because you're actively making the choice to put other people's lives at risk. The steepest price that gets paid is not the person driving the car.

Starting point is 00:32:17 Oh, wise family. They're a good family. They tell a great and miracle. Hundreds of people's lives. Like if a kid in a school were to die, everybody in the school would be mourning without one person. Oh, yeah, he's terrific. Breed a miracle. That guy's a cop. Yeah. Boston cop.

Starting point is 00:32:50 If he hits somebody, you're going to kill somebody. It's vehicular manslaughter. This guy has the ability to get away from multiple police vehicles. That's squeeze. Right. So he hasn't been caught. Yesterday, he got away from a helicopter. Where?

Starting point is 00:33:01 In New York or California? New York. Wow. What kind of car is he renting? Lamborghini. i can see he's like he's like wow respect for him hitting the telephone pole turn yourself in brother you're reckless driver and you're gonna hurt innocent people that's good right there that was really good those were really really good questions you were asking there man because like you know i i

Starting point is 00:33:20 do look at it really similar to drunk driving and and I actually think – I think it was one of the daughters there if I remember correctly. I think I agree. Like at least – I shouldn't say at least, but like when you're drunk, you're not in a sober mind to make a good decision. So it's easier to make a fucking terrible decision. But like these guys are soberly like, yeah, I'm just going to go out there and drive. And they haven't – it's like you haven't you asked squeeze ben's this too you're he was talking about like driving by you know a fucking playground or something you're like oh yeah driving by a playground he's like oh it's fine and you're

Starting point is 00:33:55 like until it's not i remember that and he had no answer for that another thing i think we can point out is this is okay these guys are putting people at risk on the road. But let's just say you're the guy that climbs Mount Everest. You're the guy that does the squirrel jumping or the base jumping off of a bridge. Even though you're not hurting anyone, you're willing to do a hobby over what your mom thinks, your aunt, your whole family. And so, again, like theirs is the most extreme maybe version of this but anyone that does high-risk stuff even us to a degree when we were ready to go to afghanistan all of our families were like are you guys kidding me you were going to afghanistan last november we were gonna be we had the flights booked the night before just we were the u.s and iran started bombing each other i was like that was probably not the most strategic location to be stuck in world war three yeah but at the same time especially

Starting point is 00:34:46 young men they take this risk and they're willing to make their family uncomfortable in pursuit of what they are they feel like they're bred to do like what that mom said but you but the difference is they're doing something that has nothing more than dopamine for themselves whereas in your guy's case you are there to cover a story and report on something. There's degrees. There's degrees. Absolutely. Now, what were you doing specifically?

Starting point is 00:35:09 What were you trying to do in Afghanistan? We wanted to interview the Taliban, which by the way, I'm not kidding you. I'm not kidding you. Afghanistan is actually becoming a tourist destination right now. There are solo travelers from the Netherlands, from Germany, from all over, backpacking through Afghanistan right now. Women, travelers from the netherlands from germany from all over backpacking through afghanistan right now women men it's shocking but that's actually one of their primary income sources right now is tourism and so there's you know a lot of people have done it

Starting point is 00:35:35 we would have been just fine but it is one of those places that if you get stuck they're unless you're really willing to foot a5 to $10 million mercenary team bill, which we're not at that level. Give us a few years, maybe 20. I don't know. Hopefully, we'll be there that we can get rescued by mercenaries when we go. But we did back out. And I think especially as the channel grows, it becomes harder to do sketchy international stuff because there's just more of a target. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:36:01 When you're dealing with someone that's living off of a dollar a day and they just see your subscriber count they're going to assume this guy is a like a heist at a bank like yours yeah what what can we google this alessi i i feel like i remember this when after afghanistan fell there was a youtuber who was taken hostage there right lord miles yeah yeah so this is real lord Miles made friends while in captivity. He basically was on house arrest with Taliban leadership and now he's there. Apparently he's trying to start mining in there and do business operations.

Starting point is 00:36:34 Wait, he's still there? He goes back there. He's been back three or four times. And he... Apparently he's pals with the Taliban. I read his book, actually. He wrote a book about it. It was pretty funny, pretty cheeky. He's a British bloke that is kind of like the quintessential old age traveler from England where it's like you can go into a war zone as long as you have a cup of tea, you'll find

Starting point is 00:36:54 your way through it. Like a very adventurous spirit of, I'll figure it out as it happens. We got to get this guy in here. Yeah. Warren Miles would be a great guest for you. We did have Safi Ralph in here who, he's's a gangster bro he he was he's afghani and lived there and in pakistan throughout his whole childhood was able to come here when he was like he's 15 16 ended up joining the military got roped in with the special forces because he spoke like 10 languages or something

Starting point is 00:37:25 so he's going with them on missions and then he got into a really good school maybe it was georgetown like one of the big ones like was able to leave the military and then afghanistan falls so he opens up a foundation and immediately starts going to all his intel and special forces contacts and starts rescuing people he had like a multi-country rescue operation out of there goes to afghanistan he's at he's obviously afghan and everything gets taken hostage by the taliban for like three months or something like that eventually the white house negotiated donald trump made a tremendous deal.

Starting point is 00:38:05 No, no, no. It was Biden at the time. Okay. But like I forget. He explained it in the episode. But like they had to give up more and they had to – like they tried to do it to like save face. So it took longer. It was like kind of a mess.

Starting point is 00:38:19 But they got him out. And now he's still like getting people out of Afghanistan. How poorly was he treated in captivity? Not great. Not great. Not great. It wasn't like the Marriott or anything? No. Because he was an Afghan.

Starting point is 00:38:30 And they didn't fuck with that. They're like, oh, you're here to get people out. Like, you know, and you're supposed to be one of us. You should be loyal to us. So he tried to go on a hunger strike a few times. Like the whole, yeah. Yeah. Was his brother in there with him do you remember that

Starting point is 00:38:45 god it's been a while that was episode 142 but apparently the taliban has gotten more moderate which for the taliban i mean doesn't mean a lot like i still saw a video of like a lady in some village getting flogged because she got caught listening to music because and this is another example we were talking earlier about how people will take one passage of scripture and then completely make ridiculous rules about it apparently muhammad had a scene where he was walking through a town and someone was playing the flute poorly and he put his fingers in his ears and they're like oh that means you know no music so that's how we got to that point that's that's the genesis of the no music thing. I double dog dare you to bring a flute to Afghanistan and try your luck. Maybe that's your next video.

Starting point is 00:39:31 I played a flute in Afghanistan. It's what I do pretty well. That's the saddest part. But you guys are, you know, we've talked about this offline a little bit with what you're trying to do long term here with the channel. Obviously like it's taken off doing very off the beaten path stories. But in the process, you've become – and the whole team, you guys have all become some of the better journalists like in the world. Because – and also obviously you're not wearing a shirt right now, but mainstream media journalism is obviously going to the wayside So there's a huge opening there

Starting point is 00:40:10 And I think people really value the fact that you bring a level of entertainment while actually just showing people boom This is what's happening on the ground And so while it's been more like say inner-city stories or things that are domestic Guys, if you're still watching this video and you haven't yet hit that subscribe button, please take two seconds and go hit it right now. Thank you. You just mentioned the Afghanistan one. I know we've talked about some other ones you want to do internationally. Like, are you starting to think more about broader stories that may have more, not even just geopolitical implications, but things that aren't just dark side of like

Starting point is 00:40:46 underserved communities in America. Yeah. Like we got some, we got a few in the chamber, like the day in the life of a real estate billionaire, a day in the life of a Navy SEAL with Eddie Gallagher. We basically want it to be where from pimp to president, from Harvard professor to crack seller that we get into your life and we see what it's like sound like the vision over there oh yeah yeah basically less we want to step away from that we won't always want to do hoods but less and less and then also changing the hood

Starting point is 00:41:18 videos so say um we would do the houston crips and it'd only be with one crew now we want to mix it with a few different crews. What do you mean by that? So say we just went to Miami two weeks ago, so we did three different crews, so we'll mix and weave them. So then it's just kind of stretched out more. Right, okay. And it gives more time for character development,

Starting point is 00:41:41 and you see different hoods, what they look like. You can show more love to a city. It was really fun. This Boston trip um there was so much love in there like we went to this jamaican hood and it's 50 deep we go to where was the other place we were oh cambridge so cambridge cambridge like we're mit and harvard we were rolling 40 deep through the streets and all the people were like like there was people we eventually went into a mcdonald's and like super big dudes with bling on and you could just tell like some people would walk into the mcdonald's and like why turn around walk out they're like no no it's okay you can still come in here but it felt like okay we could probably take the town you know what i mean like

Starting point is 00:42:19 i feel like we could probably become mayor tomorrow. Right. And three years ago, you were making prank videos. Prank videos, which I would love to do a scripted series or a hidden camera series, like an Eric Andre-esque feel. Because I like making people laugh. I like doing funny shit. I like when we can just, like when we're talking about funny stuff from the day where we're just howling in the car and laughing uncontrollably, those are some of my favorite moments. So eventually I think I would like to do some like – I like the bizarre hidden camera angle too. So maybe we'll branch off there one day.

Starting point is 00:42:54 When you say like bizarre hidden camera angle, like just strictly like from a prank perspective or also roping in specific stories similar to what you do now? More so from a prank perspective like have you ever seen the show scare tactics old show so they basically like some friend would you know i'd get my friend they i'd be in on it and be like okay you're gonna get this job as a janitor and then meanwhile like somehow they convince them that there's werewolf like there's people in werewolf werewolf suits walking around they think they they're like going to die, you know, like just putting people in wild situations and letting the panic unfold. God, how do you keep straight all this in your head? You have so many ideas at all times. Like you have so many tributaries you want to go into. How do you like plot that out?

Starting point is 00:43:38 I'm a tangent thinker. So sometimes it is hard. Organization is probably one of my weaker points, but I've gotten better at it as I gotten older. But a lot of it is hard. Organization is probably one of my weaker points, but I've gotten better at it as I've gotten older. But a lot of it is geographical. So I know, okay, Dallas. Okay, so we've got animal smuggling. We've got a death row unit. We've got a rap row. So I'll have three or four major ideas for a spot, and then I'm like, okay, guys, let's go.

Starting point is 00:43:59 Let's look at, you know, Keegan will be sending me all this stuff. What else is out there that we could cover? And so maybe we need a fifth story. We figure it out. We find out what it's going to be or we make sure. We find contacts like, hey, who sells tigers or leopards in the Dallas area? And maybe we get a few emails. Maybe we don't.

Starting point is 00:44:17 I saw that one when you put that out. That's funny. That's like you're trying to. That kid actually just called me right before the show started. So I've got to follow up with him he went mia so i'm like fuck you know we're not going to see any tigers on this trip but maybe we still will yeah i mean and some of these i i'd ask you about this i think offline last time i don't know if we did this on camera but like you know you gotta have you gotta

Starting point is 00:44:40 be getting in the middle of things that obviously have active federal investigations on them. And you are a journalist now. So you don't really – that's respected. I don't ask questions that would contribute to a federal investigation. Well, how do you know you're not asking questions that would contribute? Because like let's just say I go to a very dangerous hood that might have pending cases. I'm not saying – so I heard a few bodies were caught here. Who – was that you?

Starting point is 00:45:05 Like, I don't say anything like that. It's more so, how are you living? What are your dreams? What's the culture like here? What's the flavor? I think we, and we also know how to edit things really well, where it's like, okay, you know,

Starting point is 00:45:17 he showed his, his sweatshirt came up a little bit. He showed his tattoo here. Let's throw a blur on that. So we're very protective of the people that we're filming with. And the majority of the time, when it's something sketchy we send them a copy so that they can watch through it and make sure that we cover them so then it's like almost we get a sign off from the dealer from the pimp whoever it is and then we're good to go but you guys are

Starting point is 00:45:38 still doing like one of these a week and they're like 30 to 40 minutes a lot how's that going miguel it's a hustle man but i love it so you still love it yeah i love it i enjoy it you don't burn out from it uh yeah but you just have to i don't know it sounds ridiculous but you just don't you say hey i'm not burned out and keep going even if you're burnt out we're trying to figure out a way that miguel can get some air to breathe because right like he is an incredibly hard worker he's an animal he's always at it he's an animal like we're driving between shoots he's editing he's oh we're on the airplane he's editing um but we also know that like there's a there's a feeling of like if you jump off the treadmill like you're afraid you're gonna lose something

Starting point is 00:46:19 but also breathing taking a break getting inspiration that's when you can regroup and make even better stuff and so we want to create just be at peace with okay maybe we're going to go two or three weeks without posting and knowing that we're going to come back with some slappers so we're going to be just fine but also you can't really it's a creative endeavor people can't replicate what you do like you've created such a you know no offense to your old edits your old edits were great that you were doing yourself. Nothing compared to what's happening now. Holy shit, man.

Starting point is 00:46:48 I mean, like there's such a vibe immediately when you hit a Tommy G video. When you hit a Brandon Buckingham video. It feels like a TV show. Yes. But like there's certain edits that are just, you have, it's hard to explain, but you just have a feeling right away. He has a signature to his style. Yes. Thank you.

Starting point is 00:47:04 I appreciate it. It's not like you can just plug in someone for a couple weeks and not have that drop-off. And I know you guys are on the competitive edge of like, well, we don't want to have that drop-off or whatever. Because it took so many years to break through that there's this – and it probably comes from a not good emotion to let off the gas. But you almost were like, I'm keeping this ball in the air for as long as i can i don't i don't assume that this is going to be a 15-year thing 10-year thing i want it to be i think that we're covering very evergreen stories we're not we don't do what's trending we don't try and do uh what everyone else is doing so i think we're doing stories that someone can watch five years from now and still enjoy but i don't assume that it's going

Starting point is 00:47:43 to last that long so it's it's like you're in the algorithm now if i don't post for two weeks are we still going to be there the next time yeah it's scary i mean i feel you obviously and like yeah i mean making this product there's a lot of episodes i do where i feel like it's a snapshot of a moment in time right or it's evergreen if it's something historical or things like that. But you don't know. Like we live by this voracious god of the algorithm that just says like two weeks you can be on and fucking then maybe you're turned off forever. But I would like to think that when classes are being taught 15 years from now, hopefully better than they're being taught now, there's videos like Tommy G videos that are being shown that are showing like, oh, what was America like in the same time that also find a way to like

Starting point is 00:48:47 keep your attention. And you guys have hit that with the topics you're doing. I just feel like the things you're thinking about expanding to, like if there's any hesitation on, oh, are we still going to be able to do that? Cause we're not covering this niche. I wouldn't have that. Like, I think people are going to eat that up. I feel like if you guys went to, I mean, you mentioned the Afghanistan example, but like if you went to like Ukraine or something like that, the front lines, like people would be like, holy shit, Tommy G's in Ukraine. What's happening?

Starting point is 00:49:13 You know, like I don't think I, I don't have control over the algorithm, but I would imagine you're going to be okay. One thing about international trips that I've been thinking a lot about is now that I have a baby and I have a family that I love, there's almost a feeling of like I wish I could live a double life where I'm like this bachelor. Like I want to still marry the same person. I still want to have the same baby. I still want to have the same family. But I wish I could go out and do all these missions and not affect them and then come back. Or do you know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:49:43 Absolutely. You can't really sign up to go to the front lines of Ukraine when you have a beautiful baby boy back home that you're like, is this really necessary? Some of these things are a single man's game. How many weeks out of the month, let's say a standard month is four and a half weeks, how many weeks out of the month are you guys on the road? Probably one, honestly.

Starting point is 00:50:04 Just a couple trips to chicago and then a five-day you know flight somewhere we're very efficient i think we're one of the most efficient crews out there i mean if you look at what vice media how long they would take to make a video even from like the the trump assassination attempt video which by the way thank you so much for hooking that up all of your connections andrew bustamante danny hall um that was only you know happening because of you but that was something that miguel turned around and jack turned around in 10 days that was impressive you know got that and i think like if there's another thing that i think i pride the channel on is how prolific we are we're doing what an entire company yeah we met with this guy uh beef he he

Starting point is 00:50:46 ran the kind of he was production and noisy when they did their massive documentaries of shirak and bompton and all that stuff he was in that era of just huge hitters in the hip-hop world and he's like the views you guys do aren't like we would be we'd be in the vice office in new york and if we hit those views we'd all be celebrating it's like a big company i'm like when you put it in perspective it is wild that it's largely it's a very small team running and gunning making this happen no it's it's it's an underdog thing i love that i love being the other yeah i i love it too it's way easier to be the underdog than the guy on top i i prefer to be the underdog to have that chip on my shoulder yeah it's almost like because you want you want when you do start getting success you want to be the underdog to have that chip on my shoulder. It's almost like, because when you do start getting success, you want to be humble, obviously.

Starting point is 00:51:29 I'd rather be the guy in the bracket that, if I'm in a wrestling tournament, like, I'd rather be that dog in the bracket that people underestimate. And, like, I show up to the mat and I'm pacing, I'm looking at them, like, I'm letting them know just with my body language that it about to be you know they're gonna go through seven minutes of hell and you're the hunter yeah but now that we're doing good it's hard to have a little bit underdog chip yeah but you're still a tight team yeah vice media i don't know because i wasn't there but at its peak like i mean would they have hundreds of people you know what i mean mean? Like I think – I also think the internet, even if they didn't know that like this is basically the team right here, I think people can pick up on that where they're like, oh, wow. These guys are really just out here fucking doing this shit. Whereas when they see a brand, right? You're Tommy G, right?

Starting point is 00:52:21 You got Miguel and Keegan with you. There's names to it. But when they see a brand like Vice Media, no disrespect, but they're like, oh, that's a corporate. That's a company, right? You got Miguel and Keegan with you. There's names to it. But when they see a brand like Vice Media, no disrespect, but they're like, oh, that's a corporate, that's company, right? So of course they have all kinds of resources. And you see on one episode, like six producers, five this, seven that, you know? Right. It's less bootstrap. Were you doing something with Vice, by the way? You know what? I'm debating that because I see a lot of utility in it. So yes, there's two things I'm considering with Vice. One of them I'll talk about,

Starting point is 00:52:45 which is kind of being a correspondent on their channel. But now that I thought more about it, I want to back, I might be a character. What I want to do is bring them to Milwaukee. I want to have another opportunity to give Milwaukee shine. So I want to bring them to all the people in Milwaukee and show the low-end culture,

Starting point is 00:53:00 the kind of, the low-end is from like 7th and maybe Burleigh to 27th. And that's where 5-3-2-0-6, it's where it all goes down. Six out of 10 guys walking around have been incarcerated. It's wild. I used to own a duplex there that got drive-by shootings on it. It's a place where things go down. I thought the opportunity with Vice would be this. We get to see how they work. Our guys get to study their guys um but then part of it is like you're teaming up with the enemy so to speak but then also i looked up to vice i still i mean in some in some of their pieces i still do like they were the absolute shit for a long time

Starting point is 00:53:35 so we're still debating it but to me if milwaukee can get more shine and we can learn something good and i'm a collaborative guy i'm not a guy that really wants to close my doors. But I mean, have you guys had any second thoughts about whether it's a good idea to do anything with Vice? Yeah, I mean, I was just thinking like, you know, if we're running with it and we're getting good engagement, like, you know, not to say we shouldn't collaborate,

Starting point is 00:53:59 but it's almost like, why not just double down on what we're doing rather than like trying to like web out and, you know, be everywhere at once be everywhere at once with all these different platforms. We wouldn't do a piece with Fox News. We wouldn't do a piece with CNN. So it's almost like why would we do a piece with Vice? Yeah, it's like have you gotten yourself to the point where you're successful enough that the opportunities that you used to look at as the the meat you wanted to go

Starting point is 00:54:25 after now suddenly you're like oh i'll take it oh yeah it's an awkward place to be no yeah like the we were talking the other day about like the rappers that you know two years ago when we were getting ready to drive to st louis to do the most the first most dangerous um you know city interview where tom and i were talking about those rappers in the car where we're like, Oh, if we could ever work with so-and-so or so-and-so. And now we're like, wow, we've worked with at that level or above. And it's, it's just a trip, you know, that it was two years ago that we were having those conversations. Yeah. I try to keep that stuff in perspective. Like you walked in today, I've been working all day. I was in a terrible mood when you walked in, then you guys up my mood, But like, you know, today is four years to the day since I launched this publicly.

Starting point is 00:55:10 I was building it for six months before that. And like when I got in the shower tonight and was thinking about that for a second and calming my mind, it's like, yes, there's a lot of problems I'm facing right now. There's a lot of things where like money is tight as fuck. You guys understand exactly what I mean by that. But same thing you're saying, Keegan, it's like, consider the things that you were like, dreaming to do, like, oh, it'd be amazing if that happened two or three years ago, that now some of those things technically happened a year ago. And I'll be honest, like, and this is probably a knock on on my perspective, like, I don't have enough of an appreciation for that.

Starting point is 00:55:47 If you would have told yourself five years that you would have Delta Force operators, CIA agents, Navy SEALs, ex-Scientologists in a room coming to speak to you because you've built such a great platform, you'd be like, oh, I have the best job in the world. I'm never going to be upset again. I'm going to be in paradise. But with running a business, there are these pressures that are always mounting and they're always adapting. And, but you wouldn't have it any other way. And let's just say this, if both of our channels got nuked tonight, and this is all we ever did, it has still been

Starting point is 00:56:16 an unbelievable journey that, and that the crazy thing is like in a span of a couple years, and for you four years, like we have lived to do things that it's been an entire bucket list things that most people don't do in a hundred years we've done in two years and we're getting invited a guy invited us to his crack house and we use our t-shirts the peak that's the pinnacle but i always, I always thought a lot about this when I was younger in college was I wanted to be an old man on his gurney, family around me, and I want to be able to just tell him stories of like what grandpa did and feel like I went after and feel like no regrets, not even a letter. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 00:57:00 Regrets. Not even one letter. And I felt the same way with wrestling. I could have have I was very close to becoming a national champion both my junior and senior year but I never I hit the blood round I was one away from all-american and I didn't make it but I worked so hard all the extra workouts all the times pushing cars all the times going up hills all the times just battling in the room that I could walk away like it doesn't haunt me

Starting point is 00:57:25 at all i don't oh no i could have been i did everything i possibly could and i left it all out there on the mat and i feel like that's what we're doing here is like win lose or draw what happens next year like we're leaving it out there and we're going down swinging and i think that's how we should frame ourselves on this journey is, and for the people back home working on that pursuit, all there ever is is the pursuit. No number will ever make you happy. Oh, when I hit a million dollars, a million subscribers, a million views,

Starting point is 00:57:56 no number will ever fulfill. But do you think that you can get to a point where you don't, like, speaking from my end, it's always always like am i going to disappear tomorrow and when that happens by the way i don't have anything to show for it because i've spent all the money that i make and your first and last name is on the channel so it's gonna be hard for you to get a job right yeah like do you but you're in a different situation because like frankly like you made a lot more money than me you're farther along in size milwaukee real estate's a lot cheaper to acquire real estate's a lot cheaper to acquire like like you've actually diversified as well so like yes you're not you're not ever satisfied with oh we're

Starting point is 00:58:37 at two million fuck i want to be at three and two years ago you would have been like two million bro but there's still a point where it's like when you cross it i know in my head it's like if i knew i had x room to deal with financially which isn't a crazy number or whatever i'd be all right yes would i be satisfied ever with my subscriber number or like where i'm at no because i'm a competitive son of a bitch. That's always going to be a rat race. But like having that, I hate the word, but like some form of financial stability, that is a little bit of a- That's huge.

Starting point is 00:59:11 Yeah. I think you look at it both ways. Like sometimes with rappers, you love their music as they're coming up because that's when they're the hungriest. That's when they're starving. And you can feel that in their song and then they get to the top

Starting point is 00:59:24 and then they're still rapping about the stuff they were doing nine years ago. But it doesn't hit the same because they're not doing it anymore. But I also think on the flip side, I think getting to a certain level of F you money where no matter what, I'm going to have enough real estate, enough this, enough that, that I don't even have to make money. I can just do it for the pursuit. I think there will be a freedom in that as well. And also we want to get more creative with – there's a lot more outlets we want to take. I want to be brief about some of these details, but we're very much considering launching another media brand that could scale and that could grow and that it could be more creative. And at the end of the day,

Starting point is 01:00:11 there's a lot of things on the checklist. I guess let me, I don't want to rant here. So let me ask you guys. Rant away. That's why you're here. Let's talk about some of the things, like what are some bucket lists for the channel? What are some things that when everything's said and done and we hang up the cleats,

Starting point is 01:00:21 what are some things that you think we want to have hit? Get a feature film on netflix or hbo certainly hulu directed by you miguel and interviewing the cartel in america or mexico mexico oh no i feel like we could probably make that happen for you guys really yeah let's talk yeah because now we're yeah let's talk after because now like we could probably make that happen for you guys. Really? Yeah. Let's talk. Yeah. Cause now we're, yeah,

Starting point is 01:00:47 let's talk after. Cause now like we're at least connected to people who are connected to the people. We have some vague connections as well, but let me just say like, that's one subject. Me and my wife love going to Mexico. That's one of her happy spots going on the beach.

Starting point is 01:01:00 I'm not going to say where in case the cartel is listening, you know, but I don't want to put up that video out and wonder if i have oh our airbnb is gonna get raided i'm gonna be chopped to bits in front of my wife or they're gonna like you don't even want to imagine the possibilities that is a subject that is so scary like i'm in a cartel that i'm scared of you like i am can i cover you and i think if i if you got to the top of the cartel it would be a much different story than like the lower ranking guys like if you like the professionals the multi-multi-millionaires it's probably gonna be fun like they'll hook you up like at one point

Starting point is 01:01:36 we were talking i don't want to say the name again but we're talking to the craziest cartel on the map but they said their qualifications for filming with us was they would send a man each one of our houses to check it out not inside a sicario they wanted to send us 90 days of your parents are sitting on the fucking front porch like keegan it was when i got that information even though we never went further with it i started like getting paranoid like i started looking at cars like who like who's in this car? Is that the feds? So that level of stress, Miguel, I will say, we'll probably find a way to make it happen.

Starting point is 01:02:14 But that one scares the crap out of me. But also, that's what we're here for. It's the ones that scare the shit out of you that you should do. And not just from a crash out dummy perspective but even like one thing i want to start launching is i want to speak to journalism schools marketing school i want to go to colleges and i want to give speeches there and public speaking is a whole nother ball game to master and to be afraid of and it's kind of like signing up for a cage fight like i believe you are you are you afraid of that a cage fight no no of fucking public speaking i want this is the thing if i'm charging a college a pretty good bag to come there i want

Starting point is 01:02:51 to make sure that i deliver i want to make sure that when they walk out of that like i over over delivered what the speech was so i just want to make sure i take it seriously and do a really really good job um i think you will i think it'll be i think with proper preparation of course but i think it's those things that that scare you i'm keen what else what are some things on that that bucket list of the channel i i think just like those like fun crazy ideas where right now you know we're like oh we we know that might not get some views and we we want to do like you know sending you know xyz person to cover you know just like a super like wacky topic like we were talking about like sending the the boston you know that uh bean shooter guy sending him to cover a furry convention just because he would be like you know this motherfucker has a tail on his

Starting point is 01:03:38 ass what the fuck like i would never go in child's style i I'm going back to the car. What's the matter with you? You wouldn't park that in your ass. What the hell? But just being able to do those fun ideas where you're like, you know, you get done filming, and I feel like all of our best shoots are the ones where we get in the car and we just laugh. Like the Alabama sketchy motel one. We had a great time.

Starting point is 01:04:03 Wait, wait, I don't know about this one. Where were we driving to? Huntsville. Oh, yeah. We were going back to Tennessee. Huntsville, Alabama. We were looking at Google reviews, which is the worst rated motel in Alabama.

Starting point is 01:04:19 We found this 1.2 star where it was like, crackheads break into your room at night and there's mice crawling on me. I couldn't get the roaches out of my ass for weeks we had so much fun so we went to walmart and we bought tarps we slept on the tarps and we all brought we bought matching blue sweatsuits and we didn't think like because i thought sketchy alabama like a bunch of like weird white people it was mostly brothers so we were all blue like we were at new crips in town taking over and sure none of the guys that were in like a blood

Starting point is 01:04:51 set where they're getting ready to jump we threw up a drone to serve like we did a surveillance mission we like went into another girl's lap and this is real we went to a side street we threw up the drone and some guy starts going like like throwing up gd or some shit to the drone and we're like oh fuck we might actually get toasted on this one and sure enough at like midnight 1 a.m like a loud boom just hit the door and we bought a door jam too that that was part of our preparation at the walmart but we had so much we were slap happy by that point in the trip too was the jamaican lady the one who recommended this? This beautiful Jamaican lady was...

Starting point is 01:05:29 Hey, man, you got to stay in this hotel. This motel is awesome, man. You guys are crazy. You gonna stay there? We would show people... That is home to a bunch of roadside gals. We would show people in Walmart the place we we were staying and they were just like okay yeah this place is bad it's a locally known spot there there's a video we need to send keegan

Starting point is 01:05:51 to like a jamaican neighborhood where he can only speak patois the whole time like fucking meet joe black take out a life insurance policy keegan i'll already i'll double up on it after the afghanistan idea got canceled my wife's like okay like let's get some substantial life insurance for you fair enough fair enough but you think about that though now because you obviously like you're a great family man you've it's it's great that you set up the schedule by the way that if that's legit that like it's like kind of one week out of the month that's doable that's not the worst thing ever heard the demand are getting greater and greater though because so many ideas are coming into like oh like hey uh bobby kennedy and tulsi gabbard can have you out in north carolina the 20th i'm like oh i'm just got

Starting point is 01:06:37 like and then next week when we get home we're doing a ride along with the police and we're doing what are you doing with rfk and tulsi we want to get inside the trump campaign and so they would be key characters within that story and so you know someone invited us in there we want to see if it's something but it's like okay maybe i'll just maybe keegan will go or maybe keegan and miguel will go there's so many good ideas coming in and it's like i could book every single weekend or i could book every other week to travel and it just i gotta do it at a pace that makes sense does at this point you know obviously you have how old's your son like eight months old yeah yeah so he it's new but like is that a thought on the long term of of the danger of what you're doing you would think so I've been asked that a few times,

Starting point is 01:07:26 but to me, it's like, this is what I'm called to do. Like, my mom's already at peace with what I do because I could see, like, in some level, it probably, it could bother her, I'm sure. Or there's probably things she just doesn't want to know about. But she's like, this is what God has called you to do. Like, this is what I believe your purpose is.

Starting point is 01:07:43 She's very religious. So it's like, I'm at peace with it. And I think it's, what my alternative is, okay, I'll go back to my cubicle job and I'll hate my life and I'll spend 40 hours a day or 40 hours a week away from the home. Or when I'm home, I'm really home. We can go on two walks a day. Oh, we're going on a morning walk, afternoon walk as a family. Like we love doing those little things together.

Starting point is 01:08:03 So I think it's the best of both worlds. But as far as the danger element this is this is what we're in the mix for this is you know i'm not gonna all of a sudden just cover pillow fights because i had a baby i'm gonna go yeah do what we need to do it seems like you're really happy though in your personal life and your professional life at the same time yeah i can't like there are times where i'm like just sitting and tearing up because i've never been miserable in life i've always been a pretty happy guy but to have all this stuff lined up like i've also thinking like okay like what's what tragedy is gonna come out of left

Starting point is 01:08:36 field because like how could it be this good some days you know like loving my wife that much loving my baby my dog my team like my having having such a satisfaction, it does feel almost unbelievable. Especially being not too long ago, being a single, sad, kind of failed salesman in a cubicle or out in the hood selling payroll. I'd be listening to the early Jordan Peterson,y jordan peterson joe rogan episode you have to be a monster you're gonna be a monster tommy g you gotta get out there and be a monster gotta be a monster i was talking to another transvestite and she was not a monster but i would or like nival ravi khan that one of those early episodes so i'd be clean those felt like life life rafts to me sometimes i was in this ocean just how am i gonna get out of this how am i gonna break the

Starting point is 01:09:28 matrix you know and it just you have to break the matrix tommy g yes it didn't feel possible though because i always felt like there's something greater behind the door but i didn't know how to get it but then the cowboy video hit and we've been had our foot on the gas ever since and it's like i'm not taking it for granted for a minute that this is my job. And we were thinking like, okay, if we started another media enterprise, how many people would line up to do this? You get to go cover the coolest shit you can think of and be on the move and have stories to tell. It's almost weird when you're with company or maybe you're visiting family. You don't want to say too much about how much you love your job, especially if your uncle is a software engineer that's been hating it for 10 years.

Starting point is 01:10:16 You kind of be like, oh, yeah, the travels are rough. They say the same line over and over every time. And I try not to be cynical about that with people because like everyone's got to live with their own thoughts what makes them tick what makes them happy but like yeah obviously you guys understand the fun parts are a piece of it and then there's a lot of it that you know it's work and there's i mean you were just talking about it miguel like obviously you're grinding you get burned out just like that i feel you 100 but i do always remind myself like yeah i get to talk to really cool people for a living like in my seat right here you guys could do the same thing just in a different way and it's like you know you talk to

Starting point is 01:10:55 other friends and family and there's no they don't ever have that moment of cool i'm not trying to like write it all off but they don't have that moment of coolness at their job even if some of them that make really good money and maybe that's the trade-off you know but stability yeah but i i don't i i have always been a little bit and i don't regret this a little bit romantic about how i make money number one i have to make money providing value if it's not providing value like i i don't pay me number two it's got to be involved in something that i like fuck with that i enjoy if if it's not like that whatever that gene is it's like oh go make money i don't have that you know yeah i remember being in a sales job where you have to hit quota and then you can make more money because then it starts multiplying and i would always like at

Starting point is 01:11:41 the beginning of the month being like this could be my month I'm gonna sell so many units I'm gonna be that guy and then I could bully myself into doing it sometimes where it's like I'm gonna be cold calling like a total animal 20% off payroll but then it would always fizzle out and always end with me like in a parking lot staring at my steering wheel being like wow

Starting point is 01:12:00 I've made a grave mistake I gotta see Tommy G Cole calling we gotta figure out I used to have a lot of fun were you nice on the phone? I was pretty good when I was in a flow I was pretty damn good

Starting point is 01:12:15 I was gonna say I was on the phone with this guy like two weeks ago and some fucking Jehovah's Witness came to his door he's like hey hold on a minute man he goes up to the door and like he has the phone right there and he's like he goes door. He's like, hey, hold on a minute, man. He goes up to the door, and he has the phone right there. And he goes up, and he's like,

Starting point is 01:12:29 hey, brother, I love what you're doing, but I'm really busy right now. And I'm sitting there. I'm from Jersey. And he gets back up. He's so nice to the guy for 90 seconds. He's like, all right, you have a great day, too. And then he gets back up and says,

Starting point is 01:12:43 hey, did you hear all that i'm like what the fuck was that how to punch that guy off my goddamn doorstep come out the jersey but somehow like even with people that would annoy the shit out of me that i'd want to knock out you're like hey man keep doing what you're doing we need to ask your advice about something that we've encountered on the channel okay so one thing i'll get we'll go do a shoot where there's 20 rappers outside. And then sure enough, hey, yo, take out your phone, like follow me on Instagram. And then I'm like, oh, yeah, I'll try and like brush. No, no, like take out your phone right now.

Starting point is 01:13:15 I just follow you, follow me back. How would you deal with that if there's a handful of people every different location you go, like trying to make you do it? I'm the wrong guy to ask i've never asked someone to follow me and i follow everyone for no reason how many people do i follow i follow a lot of people on this like i just press the follow but like i'm not what i've never been that guy that like thinks about like oh how many people am i it's not about that to me because i'll easily follow like i don't care if you have one follower a million followers if you're interested and I like what you do, I think it's going to bring positivity to the feed. I'll do it. But how many guys that are like, I just made up bad today.

Starting point is 01:13:52 I just made up bad today. Tell your baby mama I just made up. How many? There would be like 17,000 of those. I would look at them and say, listen, dude, I don't want to have to mute you. And it is an inevitability that I'm going to mute you. So I want you to keep doing what you're doing without me yeah it's not that i don't fuck with you it's not that i don't fuck with you it's just i don't fuck with a hundred million of you in my

Starting point is 01:14:13 feed you're gonna tell walk them down to menace that you don't fuck with it you look at tell about some of the names you find what was the rabbit hole you went on the other day oh just like seeing like the different like usernames that you're able to find to just find, like, the biggest threats on the planet. So, like, if you go to Instagram and you just type in, like, the word Wacom or Slime-Em, you will find just a lineup. Like, it's just, like, W dre walk him down trey like what like everybody is like ready to fucking roll if you need to kill someone for ten thousand dollars or less start finding those names in your feed and just sending some dms that's your lead list there going content

Starting point is 01:14:59 there's some good names out there that you're like like how does this guy when he's like dming a girl to go on a date or whatever like the girl's not like i think i'm right good heavens spin the block tweezy like oh like what kind of activities are you up to tweezy you know like spinning the block oh my god it just like you also with your personality and who you are and the fact that you're white too that adds to it like the fact that you go into these places and talk with these people like and play them creed songs and shit there's just something about that that is so magical you was surprising that they didn't like Creed. Can you take me higher? Was that plankton?

Starting point is 01:15:54 Probably. But you've got to have a disposition to do that. There's like a button, and in a totally different way. I'm very New Jersey. Obviously, you're not. But like there's – you're almost like a wild card in a way that people are like, all right. Yeah, do you. And I get that vibe in your videos where people are like, all right.

Starting point is 01:16:17 That's just Tommy G. He's going to do what he's going to do. Yeah, like I like the dynamic of asking really heartfelt, serious questions and then being like, what do you think about missionary position you know like to a total thug i think it's good to like keep and then also like one challenge when you show up to a block is like you'll get a lot of the same stuff like oh you know what it is we run shit blah blah you get to like there's like nine catchphrases that are like okay like what do you get past this run shit yeah yeah crazy but then but then like if you if you time it right or you say the right thing or kind of like say something like a grenade that you know you're asking something wild or out

Starting point is 01:16:52 of pocket you break the you break it a little bit and then you can go in a little bit deeper and that's the moments you really look for like we were in this i was in this in this uh white rapper millie's Really smooth rapper. Really cool. And he's co-signed by all these super legit rappers in the game. Dave East, Jadakiss. Fabulous. They love this white boy.

Starting point is 01:17:14 And he rolls like a president. He has two black SUVs with the little stars in the ceiling. Stars in the ceiling? You ever seen that? Rappers like that. There's little light-up stars on the ceiling. Like little light-up... I have that? Rappers like that. It's like little light up stars on the ceiling. Like little light up. I have that.

Starting point is 01:17:26 So when you. Yeah. Anyways. And so he's rolling all presidential and whatnot. And then he starts like, you know, I saw a name on his. I'm like, who's Katrina? He's like, oh, that's my mom. And then he gets into like, you know, I made it all the way here.

Starting point is 01:17:39 But the one thing I was missing, I had the cars. I had the women. I had the money. But the one thing I was missing was the affirmation for my mom telling me she was proud of me and i'm like and is she not with us anymore no she and she she is with us and she is proud of him he did finally he so it was just but it was just a happy ending it was like you made that sound like everyone's dead but those moments hits you dude and that's like and those are the moments humanity that we're looking i don't care if we're talking to a fentanyl dealer or anybody i want to hear about

Starting point is 01:18:10 how he feels about his mom i want to feel about oh i want to see a picture of his kid and have him light up when he talked like that's where we've reached the level of like okay i see where you are man because at the end of the day it's the same key human things tie people together and when you can find that slice of humanity, even maybe not necessarily that example, but in other ones, like we were talking about earlier, where you wouldn't expect it, it's cool to see that. And that's part of that silver lining. At least when I define it that way, that's part of what I'm looking for too, to see if if you can see that and then you know maybe some of these guys really do make it out of there and not do it like we keep talking about rappers and everything i think one of the really unfortunate things that happens in rap so much as someone who's like

Starting point is 01:18:56 i've loved rap my whole life is you see guys they constantly are pulled back into what they were working so fucking hard to make it out of. Without naming names, we see some of these major dudes worth tens of millions of dollars and they're still hanging out at O-Block. To me, that's – and especially when it ends in violence or something like that. That's the worst tragedy of all. I mean I got Tupac on the wall there. Not a good way to go out.

Starting point is 01:19:25 One difference though is when you make it and you blow up, you don't have all these people around you that are like, oh, I'm coming up with you. Like you're our opportunity out, you're our ticket out as well. So they have like this communal responsibility where like, okay, like, cause they have an entourage where, okay, you were kind of the security guy,

Starting point is 01:19:41 you were the DJ and like all these guys kind of put their own dreams on hold or kind of, or some them are just like latch honors like there's a lot of latch honors where rappers have a crew of six and maybe two of them or three of them are really effective and the other guys just pass the blunt but you still gotta pay the hotel bill you still gotta you know swipe when the meal comes and he's ordering steaks it's like oh god like i need to talk to my accountant but so i think that's what one struggle rappers have is they don't want to betray where they came from and just cut everyone off. And also, to stay interesting, you almost need to retain that image of I am. You want to be able to go back to the block and 40 people are out and you do the music video and it looks legit.

Starting point is 01:20:19 You don't want to always be alone in your fancy new Miami condo and just rap. Yeah, and that's the thing I think people discount when they look at that. It's like, there's a loyalty thing in there where guys feel like if they, if they totally, if they say, all right, I made it out and don't look back. It's like they're leaving everyone behind, but it sucks because to your point, you do have the hangers on. You have people who they, they are pulling you down. We've seen it over and over again. I mean, look at fucking Michael Vick.

Starting point is 01:20:50 You know, those guys got him into owning dog fighting. At the peak of his career. Imagine getting talked into that. Yeah. You know, and obviously like he's his own man. He made a fucking horrible decision. No doubt about that. But, you know, i remember and he would

Starting point is 01:21:05 talk about that like that pool of like oh well i had to hang out with qantas because like he was there with me we had nothing and i know he's barking up the wrong tree yeah i get it but it fucking sorry i'm a dad now i do dad jokes yeah that was bad it was actually it was actually uh my when michael was playing for the Eagles. He was neighbors with my cousin. He lived in my town in South Jersey. And so he got dogs eventually. He was allowed to do that and everything.

Starting point is 01:21:37 And my one cousin had been unfortunately brutally attacked by a dog maybe like four or five years before so one time he was walking the dog in the neighborhood ran like right for her and she started freaking out she's like is your dog nicer is he like the other one and michael's like, nah, he cool. Sorry, I had to tell that one. But I mean, you know, you see it. You see guys get pulled back in and it becomes an endless cycle. And like what you guys, forget rappers, forget people that make it. I think the big thing you guys are covering is that when people are given low economic opportunity,

Starting point is 01:22:27 they're put into the same places, they're put into the same peer groups when they grow up. We've now seen it in society in America throughout the 20th and 21st century. We've seen now three and four generational type problems that go on and you wonder like, oh, are we just going to get lucky on the fifth? Or do we still have systems in place that are making this inevitable that like the fifth generation is going to be every bit as big as the fourth?

Starting point is 01:22:51 Do you think that's the case? It takes the guy willing to break the cycle. Two examples that come to mind from this week is we met this guy, Bean Shooter, and we met this guy, Exit Fame. And both of them were former addicts, and now they're actively giving back to the recovery community one of them has sober house the other guys on the street helping these guys every single day and i think that's the magic is against all odds you have to somehow choose to be

Starting point is 01:23:18 that guy that doesn't walk in the same line and i I think the gravity is against them. So the guys that do manage to do it just shows how strong they really are. Yeah. Yeah, and do you find that in the stories you cover, do you worry about you guys getting pulled into what actions may happen when you're not there because you have relationships with guys and you're making stories that are maybe from their perspective? Haven't really wanted to sell crack since yesterday that's not what i mean i mean like well i the latest examples are is our buddy brandon i mean yeah i think that's total bullshit by the way of course i mean that guy was a walking hit he he dug up his enemy's graves he

Starting point is 01:24:03 rapped about it in the songs his name was mr disrespectful or dr disrespectful something like that and so like guys like that have a timeline and i think it was just really poor timing they really do though i mean there's no other end that's going to come to you if you're actively bragging about taking people out and it was real i saw there's a lot there's these two couch potatoes that made it brandon's problem like these two uh commentators shall we say academics and then the guy from the no jumper show um the big guy and they try to make brandon out to be this really bad guy that caused it and it's hilarious because the guys that said that academics made his career

Starting point is 01:24:42 off of covering the shirak drama from the safety of a couch like a little bitch. And Brandon's out there in the field. And Brandon's not pretending to be a crip or whatever it is. He's not pretending to be anything that he's not. And he had a real relationship with this guy. His flawed and his poorly – the poor choices this guy had made in his life or the enemies he had gained, Brandon had a relationship with him.

Starting point is 01:25:09 And so it was really sad to see. The internet has really come out in his favor, though. That's the really cool thing about Brandon Buckingham. He is a knack for getting himself into some sticky situations, but he always comes out on top. And I think it's a testament to his character because he really does have a really good heart. Oh, yeah, he's awesome.

Starting point is 01:25:27 And then you have these little bleacher players that are trying. Just like Monday morning quarterbacks. Yeah, and guys that would get laughed off the block. Guys that can't even, some of them couldn't even walk on the block. I think they need like a wheelchair to move because their health is in danger. I won't go too much into detail. I just don't like this one guy that makes some content. But I would rather be out in the field than in the bleachers.

Starting point is 01:25:53 Yeah, doing it. And for context, just for people following, you got some of it. But this guy, YBC Duel in Philly, Brandon and made, I think, like two videos in the past with him. And a rap song. It was a little reckless. Films with him and a rap song it was a little reckless films with him in may puts out a documentary in august that that ybc approved ahead of it going out two hours after it's put out ybc is tragically gunned down in philadelphia brandon gets blamed for it people like academics come in and pile on which was bullshit flock i'll say his name like a little bit big boy over there.

Starting point is 01:26:26 Is that no jumpers guy? He's a queef, dude. He's a total turd. He's a queef. He's a queef. Okay. Yeah. I haven't heard that used as a proper.

Starting point is 01:26:35 Well, attach it to his name. I like that one. Yeah. Okay. But the thing about Brandon is he's like the nicest guy. But if you go at him, bro, it's not an Uzi. I mean, it's a fucking nuclear...

Starting point is 01:26:50 I was on the phone with him an hour before he dropped that response video, and he's like, you can hear him pace around the yard like, yeah, bro, I just gotta do this. It is what it is. You know, obviously, they chose their death here. Now they're gonna get it. Dude, Brandon was beefing with a guy on YouTube in a diss song he made on him he said his own address he's like this is where i live

Starting point is 01:27:09 that's how serious this guy is brandon buckingham is a bull in a china shop when it comes to youtubers they want to be with him like he's a guy that honestly i could see him running up on the it's the two commentators that said and he'll slap dude those guys are a little like that's the thing that makes me so upset like the fighting words these guys say but they're such little like turd they're turds that's the best way to describe them brandon i hope he gets caught both of them at the same time and just does a drive-by slap on them i'll watch that video repeatedly what was the academic sign like because he's you know he's like talking so fast i'm like shaking around because he's like trying to get all this shit out he's like it's like academics

Starting point is 01:27:49 you bald-faced pussy sitting on your couch or i'm not doing it justice but like people got to watch that video it's fucking hilarious but like i mean i guess you gotta controversy's not my lane but i guess you got to respond like when when people are making claims like that you gotta do what you got there's two schools of thought do you respond and add fuel to the fire and part of it like in that circuit uh like you know academics that's exactly what they want is you to make a response because then it grows it grows and the fire happens but you also want to defend your name so you want to be quiet it's a hard line to walk to know which way to go sometimes and and just how we said like you know part of the dynamic is I'm kind of a nerdy white guy going into the hood.

Starting point is 01:28:30 And that works. There's also then a curse that comes with that where if anything bad happens or that you're, oh, you're an appropriator. You're responsible. You started up. So I guess every strength has a weakness too. Yeah. You start it up. So I guess every strength has a weakness too. Yeah, there's always going to be people that are going to find holes to try to create detraction, if that's even a word. And it is what it is.

Starting point is 01:28:51 But like, you know, I think it's different when you have content creators trying to like, like people with huge platforms trying to label you things. There's an element where you do, I think you have to respond there. Do you have to respond as hard as Brandon? maybe not hey i want to know who who brings security with them when they show up to the block does uh flaco or academics bring security with them i bet they do do you think brandon buckingham brings security with them so i don't know that's who's who's more of a man i guess maybe that'll be one of the measuring sticks i'll use i think so but you've done so you were here in the end of March.

Starting point is 01:29:27 That's when we last filmed. And you've, I think you put out, you put out like one video a week since then. You've been fucking, you guys have been killing it. But there were a few in there that were of note. One of them was you were able to embed, I guess, for like 48 hours or something with RFK while he was still a candidate. So first of all, cause you were, you wanted to get that when you were here, you didn't have that yet. How did you get that opportunity? Keegan, I'll let you tell that story. So we were in Miami. What was that? May of 2023. And we were on a yacht and we found out that we were interviewing at the latest like entrepreneur

Starting point is 01:30:05 mastermind group and one of the girlfriends of the guys that was on the yacht was she just happened to work at vice previously and this is when we're like oh fuck yeah like let's you know let's find out about vice like let's see what she knows and then made the relationship with her. And we ended up finding out that, you know, she was, you know, on the RFK campaign, you know, probably what, a year later or so or six months later. And then, you know, through the channel. She had to pitch it for a long time for us to get accepted. It was in the air for so long because it's a risk. You don't know what someone's going to do in your campaign. And so we were the only documentary crew given 48 hour access to rfk jr do you live with them

Starting point is 01:30:50 for 48 hours i i was the little spoon for 48 hours sweet dreams don't take the vaccine. I forgot to tell you about that. That jab you feel is a veneno. Love that guy though. Yeah, he's a great dude. We got to meet him at just probably... Each day we'd have three or four spots we'd meet him.

Starting point is 01:31:19 He'd go off, do his interviews. He'd have his security. He'd do his thing. Then he'd come back. So we got to lift with him in Jean, which was bucket list thing man man is what 71 something like that yeah goes up to the pull-up bar no warm-up like 20. boom jeans doing it i'm like this is the man i want to vote for you know what i mean yeah and that was a really big portfolio piece as far as and same thing with the real estate billionaires now all of a sudden it's

Starting point is 01:31:45 not we're not just interviewing the trappers but we're interviewing the harvard professors and the mark cubans of the world uh i was extremely impressed with him and i'm really excited about his campaign and i'm bittersweet about him joining trump because i will always vote independent every single election i vote independent even if it's the guy i know he's going to get three percent of the vote but being able to be a fly in the wall and and see the hurdles that he had to overcome i think he was doing like a million a month on security by himself on his private security because the the biden campaign wouldn't approve his secret service detail was he allowed to use campaign funding for that what's the i believe so yeah but then they were also getting super hamstrung with the campaign funding so they

Starting point is 01:32:29 had to do they were getting sued left and right by the dnc too so every single obstacle like you know so he wanted to put his name on the ballot we're going to sue you so you can't do that now that he is on the ballot and he wants to remove his name they're suing him to keep his name on the it's so crazy that you can use the legal system to just try and back someone into a corner oh it's yeah there's a few stories that we're trying to cover that very rich and powerful organizations are doing bad things we want to expose it we also know we i might be sued into bankruptcy just by putting this piece out so i'm we're getting insurance in line for that but it's it's amazing that if you don't if someone doesn't want you to speak about

Starting point is 01:33:05 something, all they have to do is have a much bigger budget than you on the law firm and you're going to be scared into submission because like, well, do I want to live in a cardboard box and not tell the story? You know what I mean? It's something that we're going to have to pick our battles with going forward. I'll take our system over everyone else's it is the best but it's still a class system it's still what how much how much can you pay for the best product right so who can afford the best lawyer at the most time to make the most salacious claims and use the many loopholes of the legal system which some of them have to be there to be honest honest with you, to fuck people over. I mean, you and I have mutual friends who have dealt with it, obviously, where people with a bigger wallet just come in and eventually they they got to be like, all right, I got to make a financial decision

Starting point is 01:33:53 here. That sucks. But I hope it doesn't. I think when you have a platform like you guys have built with enough public support at the size you are now, I hope that that will be enough to be able to have public pressure campaigns if things like that were to come up because I don't selfishly, I don't want to see you have to turn down stories because you're afraid that you know, a fucking four name law firm from New York City is going to be up your ass for the next three years of your life. What you'd hope is as the Barbra Streisand effect where yes, the company that wants to name law firm from New York City is going to be up your ass for the next three years of your life. What you'd hope is that it's the Barbra Streisand effect where the company that wants

Starting point is 01:34:28 to shut you up, all of a sudden you put that out to your people and then it goes nationwide and then you're doing the podcast circuit and everyone's talking about it and then you get funding for the lawsuit and that'd be a cool way to march. Let the public win. Hey, we're telling a story for the people by the people supported by people in the effort and we're not going to back down to this organization what was without revealing things that were told to you off the record obviously or anything like that like outside of your conversations about the political stances or at some of the actual events you guys went to with rfk what was he like

Starting point is 01:35:07 as a person like a world view off camera struck us as like a very genuinely like interested person like it seemed like he he genuinely wanted to know to know the people that we were and i i thought that was just very charming and personal. Yeah. That, hey, you know, a small running gun camera crew of, you know, dudes who are, you know, less than half his age and he's given us the time of day to ask us questions. He's very into nature. When we were going ziplining with him, he was walking around looking under logs to see if a snake would be there so he could catch it with his bare hands and then he would like whip out his phone he'd be like hey look this is when i went falcon hunting or this is when i picked up a rattlesnake three weeks ago he's very much a naturalist and how many how many falcons does he own dude this man this is the richest thing i've ever heard in my life he's like yeah you guys want to come falcon hunting with me at 100 falcons i'm thinking that is insane that is insane that's kennedy uh that's east coast the kennedy money you know

Starting point is 01:36:12 but he he's out he lives like out in la right i think he's got like uh he's got a lot of homes i think so that makes sense but where where were you guys with him out there we were in denver so you were in denver yeah we were covering a campaign event and then we went zip lining with them and we covered the rally there. So yeah, we just flew out to Denver and followed them around for a couple days. So you guys were in the documentary also. I think you guys were like talking to people at these rallies, like I guess in this case many people, longtime supporters. Outside of the normal like, all right, we don't like Trump. We don't like Biden.

Starting point is 01:36:47 What were some of the key takeaways you had about his constituency? I think where they got a little weird was he had a very strong anti-vax, anti... It was all like people that had gotten medically injured or kind of connected to that that was the result. And you wasn't quite sure that that was really what happened, but that was like what they were very confident how something happened. And like when they had their rally, four speakers came up and the first three,

Starting point is 01:37:16 all they did was focus on the jab, the vaccine or different medical things. And I think what was really attractive about his campaign was making America healthy again, fixing our national debt like he's the only canada that was mentioning in 10 years all of our money is actually going to go to paying off our interest note yep and now all of a sudden that he's with trump i feel like he's like make america healthy again but he's not talking about the debt and um this is a tangent but one thing i've noticed that no canada has talked to about in the debates whatever you're not allowed to mention israel there's a ukraine war happening

Starting point is 01:37:50 but there's definitely not like that we don't talk about the other war that's weird to me that you're not allowed to talk about that it's very strange and it's also with with his just looking at it from a strategy standpoint, RFK had so many stances in his campaign that were about not endless wars and finding peace around the world, which again, and I totally support that. I always got to be careful though with not going to isolationists because unfortunately the world is a really fucked up place. I don't like war at all. It's terrible, just to be clear but like at the same time i thought some of those ideas were good yet when it came to that one in in gaza i don't want to say like he was like all about it but he was much more supportive of that and you wonder you know a lot of people get on israel for like apAC and shit like that and having influence within our politics as a nation or whatever. A couple things there. Number one, yeah, I agree. That's not great.

Starting point is 01:38:52 Number two, though, the conversation that people don't seem to be having is looking internally at our system and the fact that we have set it up so that's legal to happen. They're a nation. They're going to look out for their best interests. Now, we don't have a ACAC, like American China, whatever conference, because there's been this agreement between Democrats and Republicans that like China is actually a threat and enemy. Israel nation, 9 million people does shit with us in the Middle East. They've been a friend, right? So it's easier for them to get in there and do that. But the conversation also needs to be like, okay, shit that's a tale as old as time.

Starting point is 01:39:32 What about our term limits in Congress? What about all our fucking Congress people getting rich off the job? What about the fact that all these people then are funded by interests that tell them how to vote on issues including something like AIPAC? What about the fact that something like that is allowed to exist on K on on k street the lobbyist whatever the fuck it is we're letting corporations essentially run the government one of the things he was saying about uh medical patents and developments is that the organization that's supposed to police it all is also funded by the very companies that they're policing and then you get into you know our own intelligence agencies have suppressed certain stories that have potentially influenced very important outcomes like the election.

Starting point is 01:40:08 And we're funding that. So I think like he basically – I viewed him as the guy with the fire hose that was just going to fiercely go in and use his lawyer background to actually – because it's one thing to say, oh, I'm going to go after the CIA or I'm going to go after the NIH or whatever the organization is. But he's actually done it in his career and i felt like trump on his first go-round his big thing was drain the swamp but some people could say he even brought the swamp in just in a republican flavor i thought it was interesting to see a guy that was firmly anti-establishment and see what he could do with his term yeah and then you would wonder how it would be when he got in there. Again, that's a fair question to ask. But like, did you talk with him at the time?

Starting point is 01:40:51 Because obviously he was still in his campaign at the time and not endorsing Trump or something. But did you talk with him about like the other candidates, obviously, including Trump and what his thoughts were then? He was really big on never making a personal attack on a candidate. I'm going to go after them for their policy, but for who they are as a person and that alone that was another reason when like it was just so refreshing to feel like we're getting that the presidential spot is actually presidential because i think everyone saw the the biden and trump debate compared to the uh there's a clip going around comparing to the Romney Obama debate.

Starting point is 01:41:26 Romney Obama looked like, you know, upper echelon, well-mannered, sophisticated, polite, reasonable, knew a bunch of different policy on a bunch of different things where it was like, I'm a better golfer than you. No, you're not. What the hell dude? Are you kidding me? He kept his cool the whole night that night but then the golf thing had him like falling off the stage like come on i mean but it's also like we have as a society though we also have to take responsibility for that because we've created a

Starting point is 01:41:58 reality tv incentivized type structure where we have to be a monster but we want to be entertained you know and that's the thing like you say what do you want about trump motherfuckers entertaining so yeah i mean he's the most entertaining person i've ever seen yeah and like it's refreshing though that there was a guy who was being at least somewhat taken seriously in the race if not by the other two parties obviously who was trying to get back to being nice it just cynically is sad that it has ended with him not even being able to make it to the election because it's like well if ever there was going to be an opportunity at a third party getting a rise in

Starting point is 01:42:39 this country put a fucking kennedy in there right brand Brand name. A dude who also, after a very weird pandemic time, had some opinions that age pretty well as it relates to the pandemic itself. You know, like it was a perfect storm of someone being able to make headway. And he's still, you know. The big what if is what if they let him to the debate stage for the DNC? How much would have been different? Maybe nothing would have changed and maybe they would have just shunted him. But it's just amazing to watch the media apparatus in action where we take Kamala from super unpopular to unanimously she's the one and just a flip of a switch.

Starting point is 01:43:22 And to me, I don't even know how much I can judge her. I don't even know who she is i wish it was a requirement that she and any other presidential candidate would go on multiple long-form podcasts that you at least know who it is she is very much a scripted kept behind the curtain person so i really maybe she is the truth like maybe she is that you know the common man because that's her messaging right now is you know i'm gonna i'm gonna make houses affordable i'm gonna do this and that but why are you how are you gonna lead the free world but you are scared to talk unscripted that doesn't make any sense to me i agree especially in today's day and age where that's

Starting point is 01:43:59 completely available to you there were a lot of people vying for the democratic nomination in 2020 who were either went on like joe rogan or were asking to go on there and maybe he didn't let him on but like what changed like now is now suddenly like when biden took the lead on that it was like all right we're gonna keep him away and now kamala jumps in takes biden's place all right we're gonna keep her away sometimes like i don't know if this is like way too much reverse psychology, but I look at it and I'm like, you know, was it almost like why have eight years of Trump when you can have 12? Because like objectively like it's almost – besides Biden who literally isn't there anymore. Who was worse than her to put in there? But the thing is the marketing is so good that to a lot of people she is the viable solution right now.

Starting point is 01:44:53 You think so? Yeah. Do you see? I mean she has so much momentum. I think her rallies do seem well attended. The media coverage. I mean she's not making the stallion playing at her rallies. Like of course they're well attended.

Starting point is 01:45:04 Oh, she's busting people in. Have you heard that? No that no that's one theory i don't know if it's true or not but i know that uh nick shirley was talking about that protesters were busting so i don't know if her rally members were busting but that protesters at the dnc were busting that was like interesting like who's behind that but the way like because she has a lot of little highlight reels for her uh commercials and like she's shaking hands with the guy with a yellow hat on or a hard hat on and she's going into a school she looks like she she does look presentable in that short 45 second highlight reel where it's like oh maybe she is i don't know maybe she is this person that can do it but also i want my leader to be brave enough to talk, talk, answer questions and stuff.

Starting point is 01:45:45 And you were trying to like, when Biden was still running and you were reaching out to that campaign and not getting anywhere. Yeah. We weren't getting anywhere. I think we emailed, you know, like three or four different people.

Starting point is 01:45:55 And that was the, the interesting thing is just how, like you would think that as, as a campaign, um, for either party, like both with Trump and, and with Biden, when he was still running, you'd want to make it easy for a small media platform to get in touch with this person. Because you'd want the average Joe who's going to watch the video or listen to the podcast to know who they are intimately as a person and it is downright near impossible to get to them without

Starting point is 01:46:26 just using like a a contact form that feels almost like an insurance claim form yeah to get where you know it's just a black box and it's like it just you know obviously they have to vet and there's security that goes into it but it was one of those things where you just want to you want to get in front of that person as a small platform. It's too risky to just let someone that you don't know be a fly on the wall with two cameras for 24 or 48 hours with your campaign. I think that's part of it. Especially if you have a lot to hide. Yes.

Starting point is 01:47:05 Because the other thing is if we were bad intentioned people can almost look make anyone look bad in a way and the way you edit it the way you put together like so i think yeah miguel's got all the sauce over there he's like i'm gonna fuck this race up miguel swings the election freaking zoom effect lens that's hard but this this latest one though that they're talking about doing with you with RFK and Tulsi, how did that get – you might have said that a little bit ago, but how did that get sourced? I hit up his right-hand media contact and she just pitched, hey, do you guys want to come to this event? To me, there's not enough meat on the bones just to be like I'm going to a rally with Tulsi and Bobby. I want to get into this whole campaign. I want to cover it up until Election Day or something like that and put it out.

Starting point is 01:47:53 I see Trump doing the circuit. Obviously, he has immediate contact. We haven't managed to break through that. But I'm feeling like we're as big or bigger than some of the shows that he's getting on. How do we do this it's a different i mean i saw him do like the who's the one golfer bryson de chambo like he was playing golf with him so that was a little bit of documenting but it felt like obviously like kind of the same like they were in a setting just doing something fun but like most of the stuff he's been doing has been more sit down interview i has he done anything

Starting point is 01:48:25 where it's like someone has behind apparently isn't the wire someone's making a documentary about inside the campaign tucker carlson was talking about it on his show on an intro they're making some so someone's got that inside footage or maybe they're keeping it exclusive but all i'm frustrated about is there's clearly immediate contact that everyone else is finding but us you'll get there you didn't last time you're like i'm trying to make rfk happy he may have a few weeks later he'll get there but obviously you brought up the trump assassination attempt a little bit ago because you guys did the documentary out there you guys did an awesome job with that by the way really really, really good. Thank you.

Starting point is 01:49:08 And you turned it around quickly like you were saying. Miguel. Fuck yeah. But what did you... What do you think happened there? Miguel, you want to take this one? I believe in the cameraman theory. Cameraman theory. Did you see that todd character that was in there the guy that was right out and very paranoid yeah i'm with todd on this you're with todd his blurry are you trolling me right now nicole was the cameraman

Starting point is 01:49:35 that man was ridiculous dude we thought we represented him really well like we we told exactly what he wanted to convey you stay safe safe, I'll stay safe, we'll come back in 24. We even followed his leads. He's like, oh, he brought his equipment to this restaurant. Oh, it's three minutes down the road. So he went there and the waitresses didn't corroborate his story. But he was calling me for a couple of days after that video being like, you're going to get me killed.

Starting point is 01:50:02 People are watching my house. I'm like, Todd, with all due respect, if you haven't been killed already i don't think you're gonna get killed now and the more people that see it the safer you are actually because now people are gonna wonder where you went yeah he didn't really like that reasoning yeah i didn't think so he's probably in his basement just bench pressing right now just pissed just like i should have never shown that footage dude you're straight face sitting with him where were you in his basement you're in his basement the straight face you were keeping with him was killing me because like i knew you knew it was bullshit but you're like wow it was like where's the video

Starting point is 01:50:38 though i was just like okay i'm gonna hang on until we see the video but then of course when that never arrived it was like okay but But he was high on his own supply. I definitely think he believed that he had witnessed something that no one else had. Like the way he was talking, he thought like literally someone was going to snipe us at any moment. And he was super scared about it. You were there, I think that was like Saturday the 3rd, something like that. Saturday the 3rd, Sunday the 4th is when you were filming of August. So you're three weeks out at that point.

Starting point is 01:51:10 You guys were able to get right up to where everything was. So was the FBI totally moved out at this point? They had a couple of mall cop type security guys patrolling, but there wasn't anyone serious. And no one gave you an issue with going anymore? The mall cop guy did. Oh, that's right. Yeah, that specific on the grounds right next to the the business that the roof was on okay but you were able to get like right up to where the roof was hypothetically we could have climbed the roof we wanted to it was like he was about to yeah we're trying to get Danny

Starting point is 01:51:41 up there and take a shot Danny is is a wild man. Thank you for introducing us. Hilarious. He almost missed it. That trip almost ended in disaster because the Secret Service guy got stranded. We had to send an Uber for four hours away, and he came. Danny had extreme diarrhea. He almost considered quitting. And on the way back, Charlie got stranded.

Starting point is 01:52:08 Charlie just got fucked what was the name of the guy we had to zaza the guy that picked him up in the uber was zaza i'm like oh great because he'd been stranded at the airport for like nine hours because he they wouldn't give him his bag so he was pissed and i'm like oh yeah you got an uber pulling up he's like who is it i'm like zaza i was like i thought it was gonna be the last draw like that guy was about to go on a columbine if there was even one more thing that went wrong shout out charlie really cool guy charlie butt and you filmed that all pretty much in a day then two days basically okay so it's andy charlie and danny now where did you guys do that there's there's a there's a part of the video where you guys go into an open field and you line it up whatever

Starting point is 01:52:52 the exact distance was and had danny like shoot a small metal object was that like very close to where the actual event was like 15 20 minutes away it was just a shooting range or like a farm that they had access to that we were just able to simulate that shot. Right. And you're not necessarily a shooter, but you were able to even hit it once or twice. Even me, I was able to hit it. Right. And then Danny hit it like ping, ping, ping.

Starting point is 01:53:16 Literally, he's like, yeah, he's dead. He's gone. That's a direct hit. So, conclusion, there has to be some sort of sinister shit with that kid making his way up there. And don't let me put words in your mouth, but go ahead. I mean, he definitely didn't just go do that by himself. I feel like he's groomed or something. I'm kind of a conspiracy theorist.

Starting point is 01:53:39 What kind of grooming are we talking about? Point to the part on the teddy bear where black rock touched you but i mean he definitely didn't just go do it you know but the thing is the conspiracies that are that came out like i was initially really interested who was the project 2025 people oh not turning point heritage foundation they came out with this like oh like he's his cell phone was pinged by a CIA building. They made it sound so airtight. But then it was the equivalent to I'm in Milwaukee and people from Milwaukee go to Chicago at least once a year.

Starting point is 01:54:12 And if my cell phone pinged within a few blocks, it just was so loose. I didn't find that theory compelling that he was actively meeting with the cia headquarters but there are there were a few consistent or inconsistencies that were training as a range with fbi people works for blackrock gets pinged by a cell tower gets pinged with some sort of government agent the total lack of security like it's a little bit like 9-11 where there's you don't know really what happened but there's enough weird stuff you're like come on yeah it's a little bit like 9-11 where there's you don't know really what happened but there's enough weird stuff you're like come on yeah it's strange that it's what like eight weeks ago nine weeks ago whatever it is and it's like ancient history and people don't talk about

Starting point is 01:54:56 it just like the epstein files it's yeah like it's just pushed it away and i wonder though like to steel man it from the other side it might be like you know some people genuinely made like the stupidest fucking mistake of all time to the point that like no one would believe that like they were that dumb that the government's like well we can't let people know we're that fucking stupid it could be that or it could be like someone all it takes is one turd in the punch bowl and this long chain of command was like you know wouldn't be the worst thing ever the thing about conspiracies is the bigger it is the more potential there are for leaks and people aren't really good at keeping their mouth shut so to say

Starting point is 01:55:37 you know dozens of people were in on it or some well-organized plot but how did this guy get past the goalie that's really like the net that should have had like six goalies standing in front of it and it's impossible to score on this guy made it look easy again it's exactly what you said it's too hard for it to be dozens of people or something like that but yeah like do i think there has to be it not has to be but do i think there's a high probability that someone in there, wherever they were doesn't mean they were Secret Service. They could have been any – you name a fucking place in the government that doesn't – Or an Iranian agent. Or exactly, foreign agent of some sort like i i know my buddy danny jones had a couple guys he was talking to

Starting point is 01:56:26 that i'm not going to cite on here for obvious reasons but like connected dudes who who were trying to say like could be irgc and had some logic there i don't know how much i bought that irgc being around but i mean i guess it's on the table you know you're talking about a former president who's currently running for office he's got he's got policies that make people cheer and make people hate him right depending on who you are and that includes people all around the world so people think like the guy's gonna win and they don't want that to happen and they're another government maybe they take that risk but if you get caught and you're another government doing that that's nuclear war type shit that's my one hold up there where i'm like if they had done it they'd pulled it off i don't think thomas is the guy you send if you're really trying that's the

Starting point is 01:57:16 other thing the kids the kids are fuck up it's like he's like a maturian candidate you know what i mean like you i feel like you'd get someone better. At least Lee Harvey Oswald was trained. You're expecting a guy that's in a suit with the earpiece, a trained killer, and you're sending Thomas? Right. The thing is about Ghislaine Maxwell with Epstein Files and the CIA director with this is, or Secret Service director with this, is they get their one little scapegoat and all of a sudden we don't have to have any more answers. Like, okay, she resigned and she went to jail.

Starting point is 01:57:51 So none of these more stories we have to dig in anymore to. Like, it's done. And I think it's going to probably end the same as Epstein where we probably don't get the full picture. Did you talk to RFK about the JFK files? I think he obviously declassified. I don't know if we got onto that. No, we didn't. But maybe we will in North Carolina.

Starting point is 01:58:13 Yeah, ask him about that. Obviously, he wants to declassify all them. Trump said he would. I mean, Trump said he would last time, too. Do you think Trump would declassify the Epstein files, seeing as it... We'll look into it. That's what he says. Do you guys see any of the news where some of the names may have started with a T and ended with a P in the Epstein files? Yeah, to the tune of like fucking 20 numbers in the black book.

Starting point is 01:58:35 Yeah, well aware. Isn't it nuts to think we might have a guy, like the one that the 50-50 shot for president may have been a regular visitor to a island. It was tremendous. They were so underage. I've never been to the island. I just want to point that out. I spent all my time in Palm Beach. I've been with many 16-year-olds, 16-year-olds all around the world, but these 16-year-olds are big fans of mine.

Starting point is 01:58:58 I think about this one a lot because there is a serious blind spot bias in it. And I try to look at everything objectively. I'm sure I come short sometimes. But like with Trump, there were years there where I actually defended him early on because he was the one guy in 2015 on the campaign trail. I don't know if you remember this but like when heilman and and and who's the guy hopper in who got the whatever claim and then had to get fired whatever so they used to have this show on bloomberg and they would like cover the politics and whatever they they both later did the circus documentary show together if you ever saw that

Starting point is 01:59:43 which was really good but they're like at some event and they got their bloomberg like station set up doing their show and like trump's like walking onto the set or whatever like coming from the hallway and he's saying like oh this is like august 2015 like by the way if you haven't looked at that epstein guy no one wants to talk about him but he's you know that's that's a whole fucking rabbit hole right there. And so you're like, oh, this guy's getting out in front of it. Then you hear the story that, and this is, this is corroborated that Epstein was kicked out of Trump's Mar-a-Lago in like, you know, maybe like 04, 05, 06, something like that for coming on to a 15 year old-old towel girl.

Starting point is 02:00:28 Now Trump apparently found out about that and said off with your head. However, and ignored – I learned this later. An ignored part of history is that the two of them had had a disagreement on a property that they both wanted to buy in Palm Beach around the same time. And Jeffrey didn't get it and was pissed and they had a falling out over that. And then it got turned to, oh, it was really over like Trump kicked him out because he was doing stuff with girls. That said, Trump was one of the first guys to go – like you can see this both ways. To go to Bradley, whatever his name was, the lawyer who represents so many of the victims, and help him in like 08, 09, 10. And like these guys, like the lawyers, speak highly of him like he was willing to give a shit, whatever. However, they ignore the testimony, like they being people who support Trump, of Maria Farmer,

Starting point is 02:01:23 who is, she's been featured in a documentary. She was one of the victims her sister Annie was a victim as well Maria what served as the assistant to Jeffrey for I think several years in the mid 90s and one of her jobs was she would be his assistant at his office which was not in Midtown not far from Trump Tower and she testifies this is the same lady, she's an artist. So if you remember from one of the documentaries, the person that was drawing like the giant reptilian mural, this is her. Okay. So she's not like pro Clinton or anything. She fucking hates Clinton. Right. But she has testified publicly and no one wants to listen to her that Trump was coming into that

Starting point is 02:02:00 office all the fucking time. And it's hard for me to unhear stuff like that because then i'm like all right well how deep does does this go and they do plenty of photos of arm around each other i mean it's weird to see the thing is in those circles you hang out your party always get a quick photo you don't have to make the most out of it. But it's weird when you see, again, too many inconsistencies are lining up. He does have the creepiest video with Epstein of any that I've seen. What is it? The video in 92 at Mar-a-Lago when Epstein comes in with the Maryland congressman, the former NBA player or whatever. And then it's literally just Trump and Epstein just looking at chicks.

Starting point is 02:02:48 I mean, you can make anything look creepy after the fact, considering we now know who Epstein was, but you look at that and they seem awfully comfortable. And here's the thing. I've never heard... I don't know if I should say that when people have talked about like Clinton and Trump

Starting point is 02:03:12 everyone says they're dogs but there's a difference between being a dog horn dogs? yes there's a difference between being a dog and someone who's you know the other thing working with puppies yeah Who's, you know, the other thing. Working with puppies. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:03:36 I could totally see a scenario, though, where if Jeffrey Epstein is someone who serves different intel agencies around the world as an access source. Where, oh, I don't know, Trump or Clinton at one point is on maybe the lolita express they go have a sex party with who they believe to be four 25 year old chicks and one of them with an id to tell up to a camera is 17 and they're compromised and all they need like there's no context that's a slippery slope from there if you're in you might as well enjoy it yeah and so it's like and then that's used against them and another thing i don't know if you'd be comfortable going there but like robert f kennedy 13 fucking contacts in that black book 13 including his wife's maid of honor who happens to be carrie cuomo his ex-wife who's now unfortunately deceased bro I went I found my parents old address book before they had phones I went I had all four grandparents at the time and all of them

Starting point is 02:04:31 had emails and everything and I counted up my grandparents and my parents contacts home phones cell phones and emails it was the same number as Kennedy and his wife had two people meaning that was the amount of entries they had in the flight log no in the black book of contacts numbers and emails 13 different he had like it was it people fact check me on that i think it's like page 36 or something of the black book obviously under the k's but like he had it was like 11 to 13 whatever it was it was a high number of email and they're redacted but emails and numbers and i'm like like, again, doesn't mean Robert F. Kennedy is like that. I feel like they would have grilled him a lot more if he was...

Starting point is 02:05:10 Because that would have been their easy way to wipe him out of the race. Like, well, he's the guy that did this. So is it that they didn't push him on it because it's such a big story that they want to hush? That even him, which we don't like, we're not going to use that one against him. We'll figure out another way to get him bro they don't even use it against trump

Starting point is 02:05:27 that's how big it is that's how big it is they don't even use it like the number one thing they don't even use it against them how odd that even cnn because that would be the death shot that should be the which we're wiping them out we're clearing the way for binder harris easy would be here. Fucked up world, bro. It gets dark and it gets scary when you think about these circles. And like we separate them now with like us and the elites and everything. And yeah, like that's fair but also i wonder how much of it is just like

Starting point is 02:06:05 manufactured by us versus then the things that are real where some of these people at the very least are doing things that are just beyond fucked up how deep does that go that's what i struggle with that's a side of the world that you almost don't want to spend much time looking into it because you can if it all is real if there's really we talked to these guys that um rescue kids from trafficking and they're like yeah there's these religious occults and satanic covens covens that you know sacrifice kids so i'd be almost like i don't even want to really i'd rather just keep my head in the sand and like cover something else i don't even want to know about that world because it's so dark and evil that to acknowledge that it exists now you have to confront it in some way i understand why you feel that way it's it's so it's for people who are normal well however you define that you can't conceive of those types of things like there's

Starting point is 02:07:10 no i mean you guys see dark shit in some of the places you go obviously but like when we're talking about people who come from means in these cases people who have everything who you know i got the house with the picket fence but on the side they traffic like it's way more twisted a guy that tells crack to survive because he grew up in a crappy neighborhood and this is trying to buy a nike tech sweatsuit is a very different story than a cunning sophisticated neurotic person that is doing unspeakable things to people in an organized fashion. 100%. I feel like it's what you were talking about earlier with like the, they always justify

Starting point is 02:07:53 it like, oh yeah, like somebody else would just sell them the crack. Whereas the guys that are doing like the evil shit, like they know what they're doing is evil. Like you can't justify that level of evil i think i agree with you but just to devil's advocate it do you think all them actually think it like like i wonder sometimes legit like if hitler thought he was the good guy oh he certainly yeah i don't feel like so do you think some of these people in something he was the good guy but do you think that people in something this that's like because you know how it makes it even worse taboo when it's like abusing kids in that way do you think

Starting point is 02:08:31 these people can actually twist it in their head to be like no this is good i'm helping them maybe that's what makes it so fucked up is that they are still justifying it and like maybe we can like think about for ourselves like oh yeah like i could see where the crack dealer is coming from but with those guys it's just you've got to have a fucked up brain to twist your mind into thinking that what do you think i don't see how you could possibly see yourself in any way as the good guy doing that. There has to be some ability or not ability, but some subconscious awareness of like, I'm fucked. Here's one thing I never understood is let's just say that you do believe Satan is real. If you believe he is real, why would that ever be the guy that you decide to rally around?

Starting point is 02:09:23 Because then you admit that God is real too. And so you know that the good is available i'm gonna do the satanic stuff i've never understood why people who believe satan is real would choose him i think that's a great point makes like how often do you root for the bad guy in the movie some actually more often than we'd like to admit we like the the good bad guy, like the Joker, the guy that almost like the Robin Hood mixed with the villain, the anti hero. We like watching them, especially like if it's Heath Ledger, and who's killing the role we enjoy every time he comes onto the screen. And we don't necessarily want him to die in the movie because we're enjoying him, like in the but we're not i mean when i'm watching that i'm like all right batman get him

Starting point is 02:10:10 you know what i mean 99 of guys in the hood guess what their favorite movie is al capone or uh al pacino scarfish yeah that's a hero and i think there is some sort of level of what's another example a really good example of a villain that's really like people build a legend around them and really enjoy them and lift them up what about just the bank robbers of the italian mob back in the day like the tommy machine gun machine gun kelly is that is that but isn't that like a riff off a real name yeah machine gun something can we google that who's the johnny depp character that robbed the banks oh fuck yeah uh that was in the world john dillinger right we celebrate that guy we celebrate the hustler we celebrate almost like trump like the guy that can beat the system at its own game.

Starting point is 02:11:09 There is some weird thing where you want to root for that guy. Here's the difference though. I think there's a key difference. I'm going to compare God, Satan, Batman, Joker. Sadistic, evil. Yeah. With Scarface. In Scarface, he's an underdog.

Starting point is 02:11:24 He escapes Cuba. He escapes Castro, someone holding him down. He comes to America where he lives the bastardized version of the American dream. And the cops who we look at is like, ah, the cop needs a criminal. Criminal needs the cops. The cops are coming after him. There's nothing in our, and we don't see them. There's nothing in our head that equates the cops with God or with something that's holier, good versus evil as much. Even if it technically is. In our heads, we're not doing that. In Batman, we equate Batman with good.

Starting point is 02:11:53 We equate Batman with, not God, but like more of a godly endeavor versus the Jokers. You know. He's the all-powerful good. Yes. And then you look at satan and it's like satan has god on the other side so if you if you're if you're not just looking at satan and you're looking at him as the opposite of god you have the the choice between bad and good so that's where i agree with you i don't know how you choose that in that way. And I'm not someone who comes at it from an organized religion perspective.

Starting point is 02:12:27 I believe there's a God up there. And whoever that is, I'm humble in the face of that. And I'm going to do as good as I can here on earth and be a good person. I don't know why I would choose devil horns if that exists. I looked into people that are in the church of Satan. And most of them are very woke like kind of lgbt non-binary at like they're they're it's more of an aesthetic thing it's not about worshiping the devil it's about having a counterbalance to the evangelical conservative so if you're going to

Starting point is 02:12:57 get your statue here we're going to get our statue here and they it's more of a movement like i was researching a satanic church where it's like we're having a bake sale or we're donating the bake sale money to a dog shelter so it's like a bunch of really woke people that don't like christianity that want to balance it out but then there's a level of satanism that we're now we're getting into with some of this this child stuff and the dark side of the government potentially. If you believe that is real, do they think they're going to win in the end? Or do they know that they're doomed,

Starting point is 02:13:31 but they're just going to enjoy things in a twisted way as much as they can before they catch their doom? It's dark as fuck, man. Speaking of dark as fuck, shout out to Captain Tazariak from earlier today at the black israelites those guys were really fun i really like those guys you know what that guy does he mixes his coffee with milk so they won't do interracial marriage but he will mix i saw his coffee i'm like are you kidding coffee. I'm like, are you kidding me, buddy? So interracial. No, are you kidding me?

Starting point is 02:14:05 Massa. Massa. Massa. They heavily enjoyed it. And then so he posted me doing push-ups on his Instagram. And people in the comments were like, yeah, he was our whipping boy for that day. Or like, he going to make a good slave. Don't laugh, Miguel.

Starting point is 02:14:21 You're okay over here. You're on that side of it. Oh, my God. All right, that's a good place to wrap it. I think we've covered the gamut tonight. Jesus Christ. When does the Black Israelites video come out? Probably six weeks.

Starting point is 02:14:36 Okay, all right. I'm looking forward to that one. You got other good stuff on the horizon besides going to a rally? Billionaire. Real estate billionaire. Billionaire. Derek coming up. Any good stuff you haven't filmed yet?

Starting point is 02:14:49 Subway surfers. Subway surfers and also in Texas we should be getting into a death row unit and a prison. That would be, if we make it in there, we're also filming with a police organization, East Chicago PD in Indiana. Once we get that, I think those are going to open up. If we can hit the prison one out of the park and hit the cop one out of the that, I think those are going to open up.

Starting point is 02:15:05 If we can hit the prison one out of the park and hit the cop one out of the park, I think we're going to open up so many doors across the country. So we're excited about that. It's going to be cool, man. Well, you guys are killing it. Keep doing what you're doing. It's great to see the full team represented here. And keep telling the stories the way they are on the ground.

Starting point is 02:15:21 That's what people want to see. So appreciate you guys coming out as always. We'll do this whenever you're in town and looking forward to doing it again. Thank you, brother. Thank you. Peace. Everybody else, you know what it is.

Starting point is 02:15:30 Give it a thought. Get back to me. Peace. Thank you guys for watching the episode. Before you leave, please be sure to hit that subscribe button and smash that like button on the video. It's a huge help.

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