Julian Dorey Podcast - #248 - The 5 Most Wanted Drivers in NY Break Silence | Wheres981 & "Swim"

Episode Date: November 1, 2024

(***TIMESTAMPS in description below) ~ Where’s 981 and his “Swim” Team are the Most Wanted Drivers in New York City. Other Swim Team members in this episode: Float, Bread, 929, & Who TF. PATREON https://www.patreon.com/JulianDorey  FOLLOW JULIAN DOREY INSTAGRAM (Podcast): https://www.instagram.com/juliandoreypodcast/   INSTAGRAM (Personal): https://www.instagram.com/julianddorey/   X: https://twitter.com/julianddorey  GUEST LINKS WHERE’S 981 IG: https://www.instagram.com/wheres981/  WHERE’s 981 YT: https://www.youtube.com/@wheres981  FLOAT IG: https://www.instagram.com/float8x/  FLOAT YT: https://www.youtube.com/@float8x  BREAD IG: https://www.instagram.com/bread8x/  BREAD YT: https://www.youtube.com/@bread8x  929 IG: https://www.instagram.com/929cuts/  929 YT: https://www.youtube.com/@929cuts  WHERE’S 981 WEBSITE: ​​https://wheres981.com/  TOMMY G SWIM DOCUMENTARY: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dgdVRndfqg&t=850s  JULIAN YT CHANNELS - SUBSCRIBE to Julian Dorey Clips YT: https://www.youtube.com/@juliandoreyclips    - SUBSCRIBE to Julian Dorey Daily YT: https://www.youtube.com/@JulianDoreyDaily    - SUBSCRIBE to Best of JDP: https://www.youtube.com/@bestofJDP    Get $150 Off The Eight Sleep Pod Pro Mattress / Mattress Cover (USING CODE: “JULIANDOREY”): https://eight-sleep.ioym.net/trendifier ****TIMESTAMPS****  0:00 - Wheres981 Origin Story, Swim Term, Float’s Story 11:21 - Catching “In the Act”, Other Swim Character Introduction 18:54 - Where981 Blowing Up, Squeeze Benz, Long-Term Goal, Reckless Driving 27:44 - Worried about Major Accident Happening, Reacting to Swimming Videos on YT 40:44 - Run-ins with Police, Expensive Hobby & Falling Apart 48:24 - Physicality of Driving fast, What is an Apex (Fastest Way through Turn) 59:04 - Wheres981 Pulled Over, Cops Inconveniece Drivers, How do you get into Swim? 1:16:19 - Reacting to Dangerous Videos, Reacting to Outrunning Cops 1:29:49 - Surviving Accidents, NYPD 1:41:41 - Good guys or Bad guys, “Threshold” for Crime... Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Do you feel, when you get behind a wheel, a sense of, I'm good enough so it's not going to happen to me? The moment you think that, it's going to happen to you. I'm definitely not about to go and kill somebody. But what if you do? I don't even want to open up that can of worms. I wasn't lying when I said these guys are funny. I love you. Swim team, you already know what's going on. I love M1P.

Swim team, the dream team. There are people that want to kill us, you know? Like, there are people that, like, if they ever came across us on the road. Why? Because they feel like we're that much of a threat to them. How often do you have a close call? I drive every day, so I have a close call every day. You have a close call like every day?

Almost every day. So I'm just doing math in my head of laws of probability. Right. Because you've been driving since you were 13. Let's say you started having close calls when you were 18. You don't benefit from that. How the f*** are you alive? Ugh. the f*** are you alive? What's up, guys? If you're on Spotify right now, please follow the show so

that you don't miss any future episodes and leave a five-star review. Thank you. You're probably wondering who these guys are, and you might have heard a little bit of it in that intro snippet, but this is the swim team from New York City. They are the most wanted drag racers in the city. Obviously, you're going to see that their identities are concealed for this podcast. As far as I know, this is the first long-form podcast they've ever done, but you may have seen them on my good friend Tommy G's channel back in April 2024, where there was a full documentary on them and the culture of underground street racing. Thank you so much to Tommy G for hooking this one up. Thank you to the guys.

Where's 981, Float, Bread, 929, and who the fuck? All right, we got a full house tonight. Yes, sir. 981 in the building. Yes. Float in the building. Bread, 929, and who the fuck? Name, not a, that's an actual call sign.

So, you guys have the biggest video that Tommy G ever made, our mutual friend Tommy G. I believe it was just titled, The Most Wanted Drivers in New York. Hello folks, I'm Tommy G. Here with the most wanted drivers in New York. Look, they're peeling out. Folks, I wasn't lying when I said these guys are wanted. And back towards that time when he was filming that, I had a chance to meet you guys while that filming was going on and talk a little bit about what you're doing. But 981, let's start with you and we'll kind of go around and introduce who each of you are and what your role is and everything.

But if you could just go through people out there, like what you do and what the swim team is we'll start there and then build off that so uh what do i do um there's like online renders um they posted on youtube and we we basically just installed dash cam videos for the most part and we we drive a certain way. We like to get to our destination on time. And it started with I was just alone. And then I think it was Float that hit me up through Instagram. He saw one of my videos, saw a clip. He was like, hey, man, you should come out and come see us. And then from that day on, we just kind of drove together. And then Swim was never really a household name until we started off as friends just driving together just for fun. And then afterwards, I realized that all these people were watching me.

And so I said, fuck it. And we started the clothing brand. And then I started dropping the Where's 91 hoodies originally, and then we would always say, oh, he's swimming, or he's floating through traffic. And then we realized that the name sounds really, really nice. So that's when I came up with the logo and then just made the swim hoodies

and then kind of took off from there. Right, so what you guys do is is in the New York area exclusively, I won't say specifically where, but you can pull some videos online. You guys have YouTube channels, so you can see some of the public information. But you're going at speeds ranging up to sometimes close to 180 miles an hour, weaving in and out of traffic usually at night right yeah usually at night i don't think we going 180 is actually insane through in new york city i would

say like a little bit more tame like 160 165 yeah yeah not too fast all right and then float so you All right. And then Float. So you guys connected several years ago, I guess. You're one of the original members, also exclusively driving in the New York area. And I'll kind of jump around today with different parts of your story that we can go into. People are going to have to bear with me because as a journalistic endeavor here, I got to make sure that we're not revealing certain details about these guys so if there's some pauses and things like that just bear with me but flo i i would imagine you've been driving for many many years before swim team was a thing like was this something you were doing as a kid you know before you were allowed to have a license even i started driving in high school i mean i don't know high school is a wild time so i think even before like i had a car like everybody just drove like this man like this is how i was i guess being a adolescent at that time played into the beginning of it but yeah so did you like you mentioned being like an adolescent because obviously like when we're young we can first

drive and stuff we all want to do crazy shit and whatever but you're like a little older now i won't say how old or anything like that but like is there still the rush there today when you're weaving through traffic that you had when you were 16 no i mean like i can remember the first time i think the first time like i hit like a fast dude i was even driving my boy was driving this is back in the like snapchat is like it's like a sin nowadays but you remember the miles an hour thing on Snapchat? The what thing? You could do, like, Snapchat filters, and it'll show, like, 100 miles an hour, whatever it is. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

And, yeah, my boy, he hit, like, I think 144 or something. And we were, like, going crazy. At that time, like, that was intense, you know? Like, that was intense. But 144 now is, like, nothing. No, it's nothing. It's absolutely nothing. Yeah, some of the speeds I see on these, it's like... It doesn't look...

Like, Alessi, can we actually pull up one of the videos just so we can have it on the screen to show people? Like, when you're watching it online on YouTube i actually know which video you should also go back to the channel right okay because you were asking about this earlier um that one right there the first one okay so this is on your channel turn the volume down a little if that's cool yeah in this video like we're going like 160 170 180 i think like and this is daytime yeah like the average speed in this video is probably around 160 like we're going up to like 190 probably like the lowest we dropped to like maybe 120 130 what's crazy is when you're watching this on a video as opposed to actually being there, it looks way tamer than it is.

Oh, yeah, it looks way, way more tame. But this, I'm telling you, this whole time, it was, like, it was pretty intense. Like, we were calm, but it was still intense. Now, here's the thing. And this is kind of open to all you guys. I'll come over to you in a sec. 929. But when you're doing this, now, right now, this one happens to be daytime.

The road's not packed, though. It's not like there's crazy traffic or anything. So you're picking your spot, obviously, when to do it. But when you're suddenly going, is that a cop you're about to pass yeah this is what started this is let's go back to that so now so now you're in a cop chase yeah yeah play yeah play that play it right there do you have the back cam here too or is it only front there's only front i didn't have um a rear cam i wish i did honestly i have a whole from this day i have so much videos that i never

uploaded like there's a bunch of stuff that happened this day this is a honestly you messed up this day as well because so the story uh well the story is i mean it's been a while so it doesn't really matter yeah it's been a while so pretty much the story is if you go on Google right now, you could probably type in just Orange Corvette C8. Yeah, just probably type Orange Corvette C8 and then New Hampshire. That Corvette, I guess he hit some record on getting trapped for getting a speed limit or some shit. I think he hit like 150 or 100 or something. And he got a ticket for it. No, no he got caught he got a ticket for it but he was in the pack with us and this guy got a whole bunch of footage with him a shit ton but since we were out all day

it overrode his footage so i don't know if you have it was dash cam it overrode everything it's so crazy because the corvette was going and i was literally right next to him yeah well some boys stay talking in the mic by the way oh yeah i was literally right next to him but he just kept going and i was like he's uh he's wow right so i just like stay back a little you know orange corvette c8 yeah okay then do news go to news yeah so this was not this is not a member of the swim team this is one two three every single article you see right there so this is a random guy this is not a member of the team right you just you just randomly ran into him on the road, you're saying? Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Wow. How often does that happen? The funniest shit about this, so he got caught going 161, right?

He left. The cops found him, like, because we were in a pack. He found him, and he's in an orange seat. Then what did they do? They took the car. They took the car. You see the mugshot? And then, like, I think, like, 30 minutes after that, he bonded out. He got the car using a mugshot and then like i think like 30 minutes after that he bonded

out he paid like a $400 bond got the car back and then he came back and joined us so i was like yo what did you even do there was no point well that you were so you were telling us off camera before and i think this was cool to talk about on camera. It's like they have to catch you guys in the act. Yeah. So like if you're just at the Wawa or something and they happen to have intel and know it's you, they can't really do anything to you. They have to catch you when you're driving like this. I mean, yes, technically.

But the thing is, cops will still be cops. They're still like in a situation like that yeah they might catch the walmart but just because they they legally can't do anything they still probably will like we'd have to be like anonymous in that sense you know but like if we're driving around regularly and all of a sudden like bro like it's been a week since i've even started and all of a sudden you pull me over and target me then it's gonna be like yeah it doesn't make sense yeah you don't have what's what's the term again you don't have uh fuck plausible no no not plausible deniability. Probable cause, that's it, that's it. Yeah. So they could- Like if it was like right after and they would go to a wallah,

all right, come on now, like they could do something to you. But if it's been like a week and then you try and do something, then it's like it's a little how can you prove who was driving, how can you prove any of this? Have you talked to a lawyer about this? I mean, everybody has a different opinion. They do? Yeah.

Everybody's going to say that truly, like, yeah, they have to catch you in the act. But at the end of the day, they can still inconvenience you. Like, it doesn't matter, you know? Yeah. Like, they can still do stuff to inconvenience you and make your life hell so it doesn't matter even if they you know like it's hard there's no there's no beating them like if you think you're gonna try and finesse your way out of it it's not gonna happen like yeah you could try and play by the rules and you know but it's just it's just 50 50 it's hit or miss now is it public information approximately how many guys you have on swim or is that not public info it's not public info but you can see how many channels there

are so i believe it's float reaper nine to nine stolen uh breakew 50 so it's like what five channels okay and that's what you're saying is the chorus one yeah that's the core yeah okay yeah like there's layers to it and 929 how long have you been around with swim and just stay talking into the mic yeah you're good um i've been with swim i'll probably say maybe like what like over a year maybe two years right um yeah and basically the way it started it was kind of crazy because um before i joined i actually used to watch their videos like crazy um especially like brie brie was probably like one of my favorite ones and long story short um i traded i a, I had a C300 when I first started and then I ended up getting a M4, like literally probably two months after I got the C300.

And so after I got the M4, you know, I was swimming here and there, started making like a little videos. Um, I had probably like three, maybe 4k subs. And later on my M4 had burned down like just just randomly like i ain't gonna lie it was my first m4 so i didn't really know what i was doing at the time and brie ends up hitting me up like yo like i seen what happened um you know whenever you decide to get a new car we can start you know swimming And then later on, I ended up getting a CS, and that's just how it all started. A CS?

What model? What make is it? It was a 2019 BMW CS. M4? Yeah, M4 CS, yeah. That thing can go. Yeah, 100%. So what's the – same question goes to you, though.

Did you, were you driving when you were like a kid, like illegally? Or was it more just high school? No, it was low key after high school. But, yeah, it was just, it was literally just once I got the M4, like this was already after I was watching videos, I just ended up swimming like just on some random shit And I don't get a nice overtime. So got it Brad you want to come in for a second on the third mic here? Introduce yourself. Can we see him? Okay, okay. I was ready. All right, so you and I were just talking right outside you started when you were young you started like

12 13 something like that Driving in New York? New York, yeah. Would you go out on the actual roads or were you going to empty parking lots? Yeah, I'd go on the actual roads. I'd go out of state. I'd take certain trips.

My mom's car, my pop's car, my brother's, my cousin, whatever I could get my hands on. What did your parents say about that? They were skeptical. They didn't really trust me going down the block, so they would always sit in the passenger seat, watch me, you know. But when they realized, like, I had the wheel, they started, like, giving me a little bit more leeway.

So, you know, I did what any teenager would do. They gave me an inch. I took a mile. So they'd be in the car with you? Yeah. And you'd be doing? Nah, I wouldn't be doing anything crazy. I'd drive like a grandma. You wouldn't even know what's going on. Oh, okay. So just normal you. Yeah. And you'd be doing? No, I wouldn't be doing anything crazy. I'd drive like a grandma.

You wouldn't even know it's me. Oh, OK. So just normal driving. But then you would take the car out yourself, too. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. As soon as you step inside the house, I'm going to go parking for you. I got you.

I got you. And they're like, yeah, he's probably driving like a grandma out there, right? Don't worry. I've been parking for an hour. Yep. I've been parking for an hour. And you've been around with Swim now for like the last five

years, something like that? I've been around with swim now for like the last five years something like that i've been around with swims just like the beginning i've been in the background you say me and me and float go way back okay all right who the fuck you want to introduce yourself to you don't have to if you don't want to okay all right we'll hold off so let's let's bring it back that's just to say that that's brody that's he go way back to from goes way back this one always okay he's just one of the original yeah he's just off the charts you know yeah he's the oem part you can't get in the store or the dealer yeah all right all right fair enough yeah you guys had like like that's a crazy thing

like you guys have all the merch you got the merch is sick by the way you're wearing the shirt right there in 981 if we can see that and you got the license plates out there too the shorts all through your website right it's like where's 981 it's all through the website it's like where's 981.com literally all right we'll have that link in the description it looks like a merch store yeah it is if you google where's 91 honestly the whole honestly it's switching away from like just merch though because what do you mean like some is bigger than just it's way bigger than us like it's way bigger than us so it's like it's not even a merch it's a brand so that's why i was able to that's why we're able to have it where it's like you can drop hoodies, this, this, that, and other.

And people, like, they actually want to wear it. You know, like merch, I don't know. Merch is like, you know, you represent somebody's logo. This is sort of like, this is Nike. Like, I just want to throw this on because, like, I know it's comfortable. Like, I like wearing Nike. I just, I think that's how it's going with some, like, people just, they just like wearing Nike. So it's not even just, they just want to throw this on because like i know it's comfortable like i like wearing nike i just i think that's how it's going with some like people just they just like wearing so it's not even just they just want to rep the merch they just they like it as a brand right

okay now a few years ago you were the guy who was kind of first like blown up on social media i'm talking to 981 right now for people just listening not watching but then this other guy comes up who is not associated with you guys which is squeeze bends that's right he's not a part of swim team yeah he's not okay and i'm just gonna stay with what's public right now and not go to private stuff because he's not a part of what you do but if people have not seen this squeeze bends's was this spring going on some streamers he obviously posts his videos on youtube as well and they're pretty wild and he eventually was arrested for things i believe unrelated to driving so stuff you guys don't know anything about or things like that but the vibe i got from him when i saw him back in the spring with tommy was that you know he he was the definition of reckless now if i'm

gonna be honest what you guys do is also reckless because i mean you're going at enormously high speeds here like just shooting it straight and if you if one car does something unexpected and comes out you know people die including you and other people in all likelihood however it seems to me like you guys have perhaps a little bit more of a long-term vision of moving away from doing this there and instead building the brand itself through the actual brand but also through things like an online video game platform where people could do it safely and eventually if the money's there being able to fund a real track to be able to do this legally is that correct yeah of course like that's totally spot on like so um when i decided to make

the clothing and i saw that people were buying it i realized that i already had accumulated a large audience and i can't just like if you had a a youtube channel with i think around like 100,000 subscribers at the time i would i didn't want to just abandon it. I also had my day job as well, but I wanted to balance the two lives that I was living. And I realized that since I have a responsibility to all these people that watch me, that's when we decided to look into how to get the Assetto Corsa server started up so people, when they do watch us,

they're all renders. You can go make your own renders online. What do you mean renders? It's like a running joke in my in my youtube comments like you render a video game yeah yeah we it's on unreal engine 5 so got it so and that's that's in vr effectively yeah we go into blender and make our videos on youtube and it's all it's a lot of editing, a lot of CGI. Oh, yeah. But to market this, if you're doing things that are real out there, that is what draws people in.

Do you worry about especially guys who are your age now when you started were are your age now when you started this taking your lead and doing things where they're not as good of a driver and they kill people and shit like that and you being liable in a way like uh you know when you watch the movies and it says like uh profession like the disclaimer professionals on a track closed course run closed course on a track. It's all staged. It's all CGI. This is not real.

This isn't something you should replicate. All that stuff. That's the disclaimer we give to everybody. It doesn't even matter if you're young or if you're 50. I don't care. Girl, boy, doesn't matter. Nobody, I don't recommend it. But what makes you guys, I mean, obviously you guys are skilled drivers.

That goes without saying. But what makes you guys professionals? Who defines that, we do not know. So technically a kid, though, at home could be like, well, I'm a fucking pro too. I'm pretty good with it. Right, right, right, right. You're right. And that's the danger.

That is the danger. Yeah, the documentary that Tommy made when he was in town with you guys, I actually felt like some of the answers you guys gave in there were kind of impressive. Like, it had more self-awareness, definitely more than squeeze bends and and his part of the documentary but like at one point it might have been you 981 but it might have been you float i can't remember at one point one of you guys was saying there is no tommy was asking like what is the what's the excuse for this or or what's the logic for doing this and you're like there is none there's none there's no excuse so what do you mean it's but you still do it so how do you how do you rectify that it's still inexplicable is like i don't know like it goes back to like him saying he didn't want to

abandon the channel like i don't know it's like we have this thing we're just gonna get it to its fruition let it grow let it bloom and then once it flowers that's it we'll enjoy the fruits of our labor and then from there it could come to an end because we see it end you know yeah and also not to cut you off but when i started this i didn't think it was going to blow up the way it did it was strictly dash cam videos i had um it's so funny because i put a dash cam in my car because it's new york city and um you you want to have a dash cam just in case if anyone else ever hits your car and then i would like drive fast and then i would want to like pull up a clip just to show my friends and then it started off with like wow like this is so like easy for me to just take the dash cam footage

and just upload it to youtube at the end of my at the end of my night and um i just kept uploading videos and some people i have like a lot of international fans that watch the videos just to see what it's like to drive in new york right they like the city they like the seeing like especially when you're on long island expressway and you're going towards the city you see the skyline and people in the comments are like wow like they live through my videos and i've built like a pretty big following just by doing that so in a way it's like anything else as you build for the crowd you become the entertainer and i know what this i mean i'm a content creator too and and you gotta you gotta think about like what you're doing for yourself versus what you're doing for other people

now you started this because you do enjoy driving like that but like do you think like you were just saying float at some point when the flowers come to roost or however you said it, there will be an end to it. But do you worry that the goalposts will keep moving on that because the expansion of this gets bigger and bigger, the expectations get bigger and bigger, and then the goals get bigger and bigger? Not really because we're not really focused on the driving aspect as much as we are with um growing the the online presence because i stream on twitch all my free time and i got some people that just chill with me and then watch me play we have a 5m server and then we also have a set of courses servers so that's really like the way we're going and also we started um i think you remember slide we um so we're basically like yeah so slide is basically like we're just yeah it's the thing about swim is so simple it's that that's what it really always

has been it's just so simple it's so and everybody's swimming you know i'm swimming yeah and then now and honestly it's not even, well, dang, I don't even want to say the third part yet. That's the next level. Yeah, we'll save that for the next time.

So slide's another term? slide is like the next, is going to be the next level for us because like, you know how people will slide their cars? Essentially,

they're, you know, they're drifting around, power sliding around. Yeah, I was thinking drift in my head. Is that what you mean? Yeah, that's exactly what it's going to be. It's going to be like swim, but we're going to be sliding. And, you know they're drifting around power slurring yeah i was thinking drift in my head exactly what it's going to be it's going to be like swim but we're going to be

sliding and you know it won't be anywhere near as dangerous like you still get a little bit of recklessness because you're still doing like stuff in a car but you can get away from pedestrians and things of that sort right so. So there's definitely things that we have in the works to get away. I think everybody's big question is, like, why do we put people at risk? And that's what we're getting away from. But you're still in the middle of it now. You're still putting people at risk. Do you feel a sense of – and I'm not doing this to be like in a gotcha scenario.

I just want to know the mentality because I've never done this. Do you feel when you get behind a wheel a sense of I'm good enough so it's not going to happen to me? The moment you think that it's going to happen to you. We kind of expect it to happen in a weird way, but, like, we have insurance on all our cars, and at that point it would just become, like, an insurance problem, God forbid. Honestly, it's not a, I think, I don't think it will happen.

It's a, what can I do to minimize my, and yes, I'm going to say minimize risk, but I'm still going to be in a risky situation by going fast and etc but what can i do to do that as safe as possible and minimize as much risk as i possibly can while moving as fast as i can that's really what it is how can i move as fast as possible as safe as possible that's what we've always tried to do do you understand why people out there listening right now would think in their head like okay if you want to just be safe just go slow right and that is the 100 logic but i don't know we that's gonna always be

the the catch-22 we'll never have an answer for why we do go this fast but i don't know you'd have to ask every single person that goes out and speeds on the highway the same question because when you get pulled over by a cop when why are you speeding nobody's ever going to have a good answer you're never going to have a good answer to why you were speeding it's just we don't know but there's levels to it though too speeding. It's just, we don't know. But there's levels to it, though, too. Like, if someone's speeding and considered really speeding, like, maybe they're doing 90 to 100, somewhere in there. I'm just looking at physics here. The physics of that versus 150.

Let's be more conservative. Honestly, if you even pass, like, 70, you're at risk. Yeah. At 70, it's like you're at risk at 100 you're it's it's pretty much over 150 it's like you're not even so that's discussion that's what i'm saying how can you plan to do that safely when again maybe you guys are great at doing it but like the little old lady who's switching from lane the right lane to the middle lane you know and isn't thinking about it and you have to become a buy there's no good answer there's no justification there's nothing we could say

it's it's gonna be it's gonna be a hard thing to to answer every single time that's why right because we don't have an answer that's why we're trying to go away from it because we don't have an answer for it you know it's it's so hard to to even justify or say why we're doing it but we still do i guess you could say we have fun like i mean that's the same thing why everybody goes on dry as fast but even then it's like everybody's gonna say why can't you have fun in this way it's just gonna be i don't know every single time. I don't know why. Well, Brad was talking about his parents. At least you were saying they were aware you were doing this. They're still aware.

And they're aware now. My mom and everybody, they're fully aware. And what do they say about it? They just pray for me every day. No. No. What about you? Yes, they just pray for me. Have they ever driven with you? Yes, I am.

They just pray for me. Have they ever driven with you? Oh, no. I know they've driven with you. Not the real you. I took them on a jump skate one time. Yeah. So they haven't with you?

No. Have they seen you do it? Have they, like, the marathon, like, watch you go by? Like, yay! No. No? I try to keep everything, like, really separate. Wait, wait, let's get the mic over to him.

Sorry. Personally, I flew past my brother on the highway, and he actually called my mom and snitched. Oh, he snitched on snitched on snitched on me did you know you were flying by him i didn't i actually didn't see him i was flying too fast i think he claims i cut him off how do you know it was you you're going so fast he knows my car parked next to him yeah so it's like he's just no argument so but it was just like you could have called me and just told me like yo slow down i don't know okay while i was still speeding but

he called yeah he called moms and it was he's not driving, slow down. I was like, okay, while I was still speeding. But he called the police. Yeah, he called moms. He's not driving like a grandma out there. Yeah, she was like, you know, I don't know why you do this. And it's like, what do people think of you? In that moment, I'm not thinking of what people think of me. As Float said,

I'm just trying to minimize risk while just doing what I love. It's inexplainable why we do it. It's just for the love of driving. Put us on a track every day, yeah, we'll enjoy it. Would it be the same? It wouldn't. It wouldn't.

But that's the problem that everyone has with us is the risk factor. So that risk. Yeah, yeah. Hold on. Let's just get the mic to you sorry go ahead you're good a track like it's fun but damn man you gotta plan for that shit you gotta like spend the whole day you gotta drive like this far to the track you gotta do a lot a track day takes a lot because there's not a lot of options right now but if there were options not even if we probably had one like locally it still takes a lot like your car has to be prepped or not like a lot of stuff has to happen for you to have a track day versus me i gotta go to I'm going to try to get to work as fast as possible. There's not much.

I get everything done right there, that little 20, 30-minute ride to work, you know? Stuff like that happens. The track days, it takes a lot versus just going to wherever you got to go, and then you get the same kind of adrenaline rush or whatever it is also like when you see people driving on track especially on instagram and um you see videos of people crashing on the track you would think that everybody would support them to get better or like at least be a little bit nice but you see the climate the comments just flaming whoever crashed at the

track but the thing is like where else are you supposed to learn and crash right so people always say oh take it to the track take it to the track if you take it there and you do it you have a mistake most people that go to the track aren't very supportive of like other drivers does that make sense yeah yeah it's like it's kind of like um it's like a situation where everyone's trying to be the best you know everyone's very competitive which isn't bad but there should be like it's better to crash on the track than on the public street and that's why i just don't understand where all the criticism is coming from especially if someone's learning how to drive on the track in the garage.

Yeah. That's all I'm saying. Have you done some vids? Because you're not showing yourselves on the vids. So when I watch these, a lot of them look the same to me across channels. But have you done some where you're in Times Square? I know there was one Squeeze Ben's video where he did that. Or are you guys pretty much always operating on highways?

No, local. He won't find us on local. I mean, there's probably like this guy has a chase on local, but I was going slow. I was going under 20 the whole time. Yeah, you were going slow. It's not like that bad. 120? No, I was going like under 20.

I was like, you're wrong. I heard that. I heard 122. I was like, oh, that's slow, huh? Do you guys go in the tunnels? Which tunnels? I don't know, the fucking Lincoln Tunnel, the Holland Tunnel? Yeah, yeah, the Lincoln Tunnel, yeah.

Now, does that get into, like, multi-state issues, though, potentially? Or do you know exactly where that line is? I mean, I'm not coming to Jersey to break your laws. You know, there's no intent behind coming out here. And we just, if the time is right, the time is right. We check for cops, check for people on the road, and go from there. And my car has always been maintained. I'm super anal about my maintenance and when it comes to my brakes, my tires.

One of my favorite things to do is literally try different brands of tires and see which brand sticks the best. And since we don't have a track, I just hop on the Jackie Robinson. And in the middle of the night, I'm just flying up and down, just going. That's how you test it. Yes. But in the middle of the night, it's pretty much like there's probably like four cars on the Jackie. And then, like I said, going back to that risk factor, you limit exposure because there's less people on the road.

Right. But you don't really see a lot of people going and driving fast on an empty road because that actually takes skill you actually have to know your car and actually take the turns properly and not spin out versus going in a straight line and going and turning the wheel left and right and fitting fitting through like the tightest cars like that's not really something i'm interested in and i never was even when i started um that is swimming, though, effectively. Swimming is, yeah. So you basically want to get from point A to B

without harming anyone and basically as fast as possible. That's basically what swimming is. It's effortless. If you look at some of the videos, it's just... Actually, you could pull up on Float's channel. I believe it's... If you just go to his videos, I'd be able to point it out for you. actually you could pull up on Float's channel. I think, I believe it's, if you just go to his videos, I'd be able to point it out for you. Okay, I'll pull that up.

And then go to videos and then popular, that fourth one, and then right there. Okay. Yeah. So this is a daytime one and this is just you Float, or are you guys in a team here? This is Bree, and this is just you, Float, or are you guys in a team here? This is Bree, and I'm on, and it's over. Okay.

And I also want to say this. You guys, and you've kind of already said this, but just to be clear, you guys drive all your own cars. You're not stealing cars or anything. There's none of that going on. Whereas there's other crews that apparently do that stuff, but you guys are using your own stuff, so all that part's legal. Yeah.

All right, now what are we looking at here? I'm driving right now. Float's recording. And basically, the goal is to see how this opens up, and then we're going. We're going we're going i think we slow down when we need to slow down that's basically what i'm trying to say there's like a there's like a a fluid motion to this are you always looking like three cars ahead yeah we're always and it's not even that i'm also looking at traffic and you don't pay attention to people in New York.

The signals pay attention to where their tires are and if they're moving over the lane because people will signal. Guys, please don't forget to share this episode around on social media and with your friends, whether it's on a text chain, Instagram, Facebook, Reddit, Twitter. It's all a huge help. Reddit in particular is incredible some of those communities there so thank you to everyone who's already been doing that and thank you to all of you who are going to do so now yeah like i don't always i'll be honest like i don't always turn on my signal to move lanes yeah i'm just that's fine it's okay it's fine it's okay i wouldn't be i wouldn't be in your way thing is people subconsciously even though they don't

turn on their signal you still drift and that drift is how you can tell but you see how everyone's just like in uniform and like in unison yeah yeah we're just passing cars nothing too great how because we don't have a speed radar on the on the screen right now what do you think you're doing like 80 90 90 110 maybe yeah and you see how it opens up now we're going fast and you're in a line here the three years so yeah and we never pass anyone unless it's safe to do so but how do you determine safe if you're moving at this speed again you just get a feel for it like if you cut back a little like that was very close but i just knew the car was gonna get through you guys in this moment there's nobody's gonna there's no way

you're gonna be able to pass somebody like it doesn't make sense stay stay with the mic if you don't mind no yeah i'm saying like in these moments like you see how everybody's lined up yeah there one there's no room to pass which well why would you want to but it just doesn't make sense right now now what happens when you guys pass a cop because there's i mean a lot of us know like the urban legends that like oh if you're going a certain speed they don't even try unless traffic like came to like a dead stop there i don't even think we'd even consider the cop at all there's no yeah it's like hold on there's like a simpsons unless yeah unless traffic came to a dead stop there when i don't i don't think we'd even care because they're they're

not even you're just going to there's like i mean that's if they even decide to chase us that says um i think um the car sp spread past and i think the cop was like well a person going that fast has no time for a ticket no it's true like there's been times where even like the state troopers were like i'll see that like the thing is it's the you can see it in the brake light so you'll see when they shift into drive and the thing is i saw the cop shifting to drive but i'm going too fast you just see him he doesn't move he just stays i know he went to drive but he does not drive away he stays there because it's no point unless i come to a dead stop there's no way he's going to be able to catch up to me have you guys been in high

speed chases though with cops with like multiple cops have come after you? The first video that we were watching remember you said I was passing the cop? Yeah. There was like four of them that were trying to lock us in a little bit. I mean you left him in the dust though. Yeah. Like he was gone in two seconds. Yeah but there were more cops up ahead that they were radioing in.

Yeah have you had ones that come close? I mean you guys get close to the cops I don't like getting close to them. There's some that's not televised. Yeah, the ones that are. Pull the mic, right? There's some that are not on here. There's always the ones that are not televised that you'll never hear about. But it's like if you understood the story, you'll be there like right now.

Can you tell one of them without revealing necessarily the road or the time let's just say i'm top offender in jersey in jersey yeah oh my god jersey pd's about to write that down yeah i'm not top offended but like i've had i've had a run-in with them before, and it got kind of scary on my part. It was four against one. Yeah, they were trying to, like, pit me around the corner kind of thing. Is this on a highway or? I feel like I said too much already.

Okay, all right, all right. Then don't go behind that. Yeah. All right, so it's four on one. How do you get away from a four on one other than just pure speed? Cornering. What do you mean by that? That American muscle is not going to handle that corner the same way German engineering is.

Goddamn Hitler engineering strikes again. Yeah. It handles it a little bit different they um i call it pay to play so you gotta pay to you know play you want to take that corner that fast you gotta either spend that money on that suspension upgrade tires and everything on a you know lower end car and you still got to do it on a higher end car but you know you as the driver do you know your limits do you know what your car is capable of do you know what you're capable of like one thing me and flow talk about a lot is um endurance or stamina if you will a lot of people can um they can't keep up for that

long you could take one two to five cuts and it's like oh my god i did these super crazy cuts that have my hands shaking on my ass but it's like for a long time yeah hold on let's pull in yeah driving driving at high speeds for a long time it takes a toll like it's a not only just a mental toll like it's physical like you're fighting that car like you're fighting the car what's it so all right that that's this is a good place to go into this because again i've never driven at those speeds before like when i was like a daredevil my daredevil was like i was doing 90 to 100 i thought i was badass when i was 20 but you know that's that's fucking pussy shit compared to what we're talking about here so physically like you talk about taking corners for example and you just define what that is bread

but before we even get to the how it affects you physically over time you had to learn how to do these things which means you had to blow out tires you had to potentially fuck up cars i've had tire blowouts of a hundred and i think i had a tire blowout like 140 before how does that even work mid-lane shift like the car like i don't know like it for some reason it wasn't as like exaggerated as you think it would be like but the car like buckled a little bit and then yeah i was able to keep it straight you know like in that moment is like oh because anything can happen like anything can really happen in that moment you think like like this is it but no it wasn't that bad so a tire blow out at 140 your car didn't like flip over no it was in the front or back there it was in the rear it wasn't retired that's probably

it wasn't but even in the front it still would have probably been fine like it didn't like it blew out the sidewall but it didn't it wasn't like the tire came off the rim or anything so like it was still running on rubber but like when i when i jacked it up the entire sidewall on the inside was like gone like it was like it exploded like it was crazy but i don't know i think i had the reason why i that's one reason why i don't fuck around with like low tires i think i had two like i had a slow leak or something and the tire blow because i had the slow leak the tire pressure went too low how much are tires going for these days oh man it depends on who you ask, my tires are the most expensive.

Do you have a tire sponsor? Yeah. Yeah, we have three tires, brother. Yeah, I'm getting hooked up on tires right now. But, I mean, good tires is like $300, $400, $500, depending on what's the size. Yeah. So these, what I'm saying is, like,

especially as you're coming up, and, like, in your younger years especially before you're you have real jobs and things like that like this shit is expensive as hell like like you're driving nice cars yeah and you're like the equipment you're blowing out all the time yes yes like i know we're laughing because it's obvious, but, like, Jesus, like, how do you even keep up? Honestly, brake pads, thank God I have warranty. Brake pads, if you were to calculate how much I fired, if I really didn't have warranty, I'd probably replace my brake pads. There was a point in time where I was doing every two weeks. Yes, every two weeks.

Like, there was, like, a three-month period where I was replacing pads every two weeks. Like, there was one time where it was, like, one replaced the pad one week i replaced the pad like it was that but like brake pads tires especially when you start like sliding doing browns yeah yeah um i remember watching tokyo drift and they're just like they'd like burn out and it would look like a half hour, and they're like, all right, put some new ones on. Yeah, that's it. That's it. That's it.

Honestly, that's how this guy Bruce is with this tire, with our tire flag. That's how Bruce is moving right now. He's like this dude. So there's a certain tire called R888. That's a $500 tire. Dude's putting on this car, killing that same tire same night going back for another set name yes it's crazy right now but so the sponsor is a daredevil too oh yeah that makes sense yeah but yeah it adds up a lot of it adds up but the physicality we were getting to with

driving because you're driving at this speed so i I always kind of wonder that like it's hard to tell in the videos, but are you death gripping the wheel? No. So that video that he pulled up, I was in that video too. I was in the M2. And when you drive at 160, 130 for that long, we were probably like going from 160 to about like 120 is like the the lower limit and um we were driving for about two three hours just going like that we were like and that gets your arms really like sore because you're holding the wheel. I will. You know. And I always just keep it there. Nine and three for people listening.

So you're two hands on the wheel. Yeah. Especially when I'm going like 160. I'm always having two hands on the wheel. There's no reason for you to. That's a nice safety precaution. Yeah. There's no reason for you to.

Little victories around here. So, yeah. Because i guess like handling it if you have i like to drive like one hand i haven't owned a car since i blew up my car on the parkway like five years ago but uh long story yeah this was uh pretty tough day i hate to see it definitely not good and we will remember this car forever yeah you know like I'll hold the wheel like this going, like, 80. Yeah. And that's cool. But if I'm doing 160, it can spin out, right? Yeah, you don't want to do that. Yeah, you don't want to have that.

I'm not going to try that. You could be, like, one bump. Like, that one bump. That one little movement right there. That could be it. Yeah, at 160, like, the slightest change in the steering wheel. The one slightest little bump. Is, like, exacerbated, like, by a large amount.

But that's another reason why, like, you can't grip this, like, the easiest way to, like, describe when you're driving at those kinds of speeds and how to keep control is basically, like, there's a video on, there's this guy on the Nürburgring named Misha. He had a guy, an F1 driver, driver M4. His name is Robert Kubica. And if you watch how he's driving, he holds the steering wheel very lightly because a lot of the inputs, you don't want to put too much input because the car does handle a lot of it.

Like gravity keeps the car going straight and tracking it. And then you put in little inputs to turn it left, right, whatever it is. If you grip it and you have a tight grip and you hit a bump, now that grip, you're going to go like this. Versus you putting in a light input and let the car handle most of the work. So it's like, I'm not a professional to be like, all right you got to hold the steering wheel this way but if you go watch that video you pay attention to how he's driving and how light and like just watch f1 drivers in general how they hold the steering wheel there's a reason why because if you were to grip it up like the whole entire time one bump one little change one little anything you're just going to over correct and do something that should not happen Like if you watch those videos were even like a regular like, you know, we call them NPCs

Regular person driving and like you'll see like Something will happen and then like they do like some crazy like Overcompensating maneuvers because they're sitting there in the car like this like driving grip and oh my god something's falling and they you feel me it's versus the guy that was like you know how this hysterical oh i just had to move over a little bit light movements is what you want you don't want a lot of aggressive movements but i don't know i i you can go look at all the professional drivers and see how they drive and see how they set themselves up in the car to get a better idea of what to do.

Did you like – I think you just talked about like watching some videos on that and stuff. But it's clear listening to all you guys talk, you think about the physics a lot of all this stuff because you have to, right? Like I heard you saying G-Force back there, Brad. Like I wasn't a physics major so we're getting a little above my pay grade but like but like what what are is this stuff like you just learned on youtube and then practice with or um so yeah i mean i found out what an apex was um and then i realized that i've been taking the apex the entire time

is that's funny can you define so the apex and entire time. That's funny. Can you define this for people? The apex is basically the fastest way to go through a turn. There's braking points, and there's different maneuvers you can use. It's always good practice to brake before the turn and then accelerate out if you're new. But then if you start driving a lot more, there's a lot more advanced techniques like trail braking Where you actually just you break through the turn and then you let off the brake

At the end of the turn which is like it's a lot harder to do and I don't do it The only time I do that is on the jacket because I know that road I've driven on it so many times Just up and down but yeah,, in the Porsche, there's a little G-force meter on the right that tells you how many Gs you're carrying in the current moment. And you can go back and read that data and see how smooth that ball moves from the middle to the left and gauge how good of a driver you are. Because if that ball is moving very abruptly instead of very smooth and gradual um it it goes to how smooth your driving is whoa yeah what 929 what'd you say you drove again a c uh m4cs do you have that tool in there no i don't wait does it i don't know it's a g-force meter i can't remember

i think it has a driver. I don't know. I know my car has it now. I don't know if that has it. I don't know. But it's measuring your control. Yeah, essentially it's measuring the amount of Gs you're carrying. And also, like I said, it's a ball that moves.

So if it's moving, if you look at the data and it's jumping around you're not smooth with your inputs you want the ball to move like gradually up and down as you're going through the turns it's kind of hard to explain without looking at it visually um pretty much what it helps you do is just learn the the edge of the grip like it like there's a ball as you get closer to the edge like it gets to the edge basically you're at the edge of the car's grip so this helps you know how much grip you have and then of course it moves forward and backwards so it lets you know how much you're accelerating how much how much you're braking like it just tells you how how much force is in which direction how much of this did you guys as you were learning it coming up did you test in say

empty parking lots you know what i mean like like to like to practice i mean i don't know truly listen when i first started driving even though like i was around like reckless people you know like like my like my older sister or the brother all of them drive like idiots when i first started driving i made sure i knew how to do everything the right way like i was in the middle of the line like i would go to a parking lot learn how to park perfectly like i did every single thing perfect like when i went to go like to driving school like i think, I did this in video games first, and then I went to the actual driving. But, um, I went to driving school, dude was like, yo, how long have you been driving for? I looked at him like, what do you mean? Since I was seven.

No, no, it was like, this was like, you're like, outside of the beginning of the car, I'm off like an hour. He's like, I'm like, this is my first time driving and i just made sure i just did every single thing perfect and i did that for like months and then gradually he would start to i don't think this guy was the same way too like eventually you start to speed up you start to run people on the highway and then you start following them and that's what you start eventually getting better and better so so we were talking about like how you guys met up at the beginning like you guys met up years ago but these like groups like swim and then some other i guess like underground organizations you guys will do like literal

meetups like to no no you don't what about that one we were talking about with the with the guy with the Ram? Before I wasn't like a swim meetup. So we would meet up on In terms of like hey, you have a car you have a car you got a car what's up like come on let's go let's go like we got cars come on let's all go and just come look at our cars like he has a forrest you got a bmw i want to see a forrest i want to see a bmw and that's pretty much all it is like we just go like stand up and talk for hours that's why we're all so close too like we've had so much dialogue we'll go sit in a parking lot and go just talk and talk and just relax with each other yeah that's really what it is but like if you guys are all together

and that gets driven up upon by you know three stripes i mean that's enough that's that's that's probable cause there no no no it's not enough for them to be able to say okay these are five makes and models that we've wanted not driving around with plates it's not it's not enough i mean not if we just sit in the parking lot doing nothing just chilling just chilling we do dress like this too yeah we wouldn't do that. Maybe I wouldn't ski around. We wouldn't do this, you know? But like, one of my favorite delis is the same delis that the cops go to. And we all go park up right in front of them.

And they know who you are. How do they know who we are? It's just New York's a big place. They got bigger fish to fry, man. Like, we're not, we're big in terms of like the car community i'll be shaking the cops hands man yeah it's like obviously when i get pulled over i actually pull over i'm super respectful you know so wait you've been pulled over oh yeah of course all right can we

get what let's start with let's start with you 981 what's what's the latest pullover story and what went down it's been so long since i got pulled it's been like six days man fuck no it's not like it's like honestly it really depends on the cop and just how respectful you are you know like at the end of the day they're human being you know we don't hate the cops like we just i understand you gotta give me a ticket and get the ticket you know are they pulling you over for like going 130 or something like that? Oh, no. If you catch me going 130, I'm not stopping.

Uh-uh. Okay. So, like, this is when you're being pulled over for doing 70? No, it's not even 70. It's just, bro, they just, like you said, cops could inconvenience you if they want, bro. Fucking pull you for having a missing sticker, and you really don't have a missing sticker,

but they just pulled you just to, you know, just it's like banter like you know what i'm saying that's what i got pulled over for actually literally for like a missing sticker yeah and they just gave you a ticket for that and let you go no actually no that that sticker is actually pretty heavy how so i don't know what it is, but they need them cars inspected. They see you don't got that inspection sticker.

I've been pulled over for that like two or three times because my dad will forget to get his fucking car inspected and I'm driving his car. I'm like, yo, not my fault. But they do give you a ticket, but it's not that bad. It's like a hundred bucks in Jersey or something like that. Yeah, that's don't stick around he said he said for people who couldn't hear that he said i don't stick around to find out i don't know what it is but point being

that it's not like they're like oh shit this is a car we've been looking for we're arresting you they let they give you a ticket and you go to be honest if you're if they listen if you get pulled over and they've been looking for you like let's say it's just for because we don't do anything past like traffic violations if they're trying to find me let's say even the next day for a traffic violation it's just going to be like he's just going to be a dickhead to you. Like, nine times out of ten, he's just going to treat you like a fucking, like a piece of shit. He's going to be a dickhead. And then from there, like, they're probably just going to put a target on your back hoping they catch you in the act.

But nine times out of ten, not much will happen. I mean, as long as everything that you have right there is fully legal you better make sure that car is registered insured your license is valid everything you got pulled over for as long as everything is legit they can't do nothing to you but they will try and find a way to fuck you over like i said they'll try and inconvenience you so if you do pull over and you got a plate cover you got tens or you got anything that they could just write you a ticket on they're gonna write you a ticket oh it looked like you didn't have your seatbelt on seatbelt ticket they don't care they just keep on adding it up and that's just how it is because that's how it's always been that's what it always has been so there's nothing

like new you know but yeah do you so do you guys drive around without plates most of the time when you're doing this yeah nine times out of ten a year yeah all right now that's obviously like illegal but does that affect because then they still know the make of your car and then maybe they know who you are. I'm still having trouble getting around this. I got a couple boys that they haven't pulled over. I mean, they have pulled over and haven't had a plate on their car for, like, years. And just keep pulling over. I mean, it's going to be either a fix-it ticket or the cost is going to be like,

yo, bro, come on, or it's just going to be, you know, like, I'm pretty sure and every time you get pulled over, I'm pretty sure they notated it, so. And this is also because you guys are driving on highways where there's tolls and stuff, so if you're going through, like, an easy pass with no plates,

they can't get you. Right. Tolls is the easiest way for them to get you, honestly. That's the easiest and fastest way. If you had your plate on. If you have a plate on. If you don't, then... Yeah, they got cameras all over the city that will pin your plate a bunch of times.

So if they really wanted to track you, they could. Yeah, they can. The way NYPD works, I would say they operate like a gang. It's like, they kind of let you rock until the day they're like, yeah, we're not okay with this guy anymore. We're bringing him in. Are you worried about that day? If the day comes, I'll atone for my sins, you know.

I already made peace with that, if that makes sense. Yeah. What do you mean made peace with that? Like, look, if they they're gonna charge me with traffic violations and a whole bunch of stuff right like i know myself i know i'm not in the life of crime like trying like you know like i just feed so it's like if you're gonna bring that to me and then charge me and i'm gonna accept it you know i am speeding i was feeding i see what you're saying now yeah okay right so you don't

so there's actually a good question you don't view yourself as a criminal you view yourself as a daredevil I mean

I guess legally speaking I'm a criminal right yeah that's what I'm saying like like technically

every one of you in here doing this is a criminal yeah yeah bro i guess i guess i'm a criminal daredevil then yeah but you don't view yourself as the criminal of like you know someone who goes and insults somebody yeah when i take this mask a lot of violent criminal yeah i i talk to rich people all day and just help them with their money man i won't go beyond that yeah just let's just leave it we'll leave that we'll leave that one we attribute it to what's that i don't know if you know about this but back in the 90s they had something like the midnight club and they were all just a bunch of guys with some nice cars

that would just go out and drive so all it really was they came together they called it midnight club that was it they just go on the highways did they have like an in with law enforcement i know sometimes there's been issues with like no i saw in japan back then their cars were fast yeah this is like midnight club was in japan so um like there's like uh there's some i can't remember some names but like there's some like influential characters that came out of that scene but they would just have like they would just have really cool fast cars like literally we're honestly the modern dayday midnight club right now. Oh, but the guy that they say he rented, his name's Smokey Nagata. He put a V12 in a Subaru.

Nah, he wasn't the one that rented it. No, but he was, like, in the scene, I guess. Yeah, so he basically built cars that could touch, like, almost 200 miles an hour in the 90s. Nah, they did touch. They did, you know, in the 90s they did you know in the 90s right so it's like these are people that had money and the way he has a shop that called top secret and now top secret this like in this present day and age still pushes out cool race car builds right and like his like that's what he's made from um and his story is crazy because um he used to

work uh at a shop and they realized he was super good at what he did and they let him use the shop at night but they told him to keep it a secret that because they didn't want people to know that he's using the company shop at night for his own personal needs so that's why when he left and made his own shop he called it top secret so i guess like i took i would say i took inspiration from that but if you were to compare the stories they are very similar gotcha so like you're the guy who built the team as it is now but there's a lot of as we've been saying in this whole conversation there's a lot of other people who do this in new york who just aren't a part of swim so how do you decide who gets to be a part of swim swimming is not if who's a person is not about if you're a driver or not

like it doesn't determine like it's not if you have a car it's not about any of that what's it like it's like honestly it's not even like like a whole kind of like family behind it that's what really what it is yeah like like i said like we don't we haven't there like i get dms every day or messages every single day how do i join swim i want to join swim yeah there's people like for the first time i've seen that message, it was like, I don't even know how you, I don't even know how I, myself, outside looking in or inside looking out, whatever it is, I don't even know how I would join swim. There is no joining swim. There isn't. Like, we all were together from before, and then we all just started like you know it's like you got your friend group with your

bunch of guys and then like you guys have like your own like insider kind of call let's say insider joke and like you all know what it is and that's that's just what it is like you know what the joke is if you don't know what it is you don't know what it is right but there's a day there where you're like all right there was a day where it was like we already know verse like you know what it is we know what swim is but the day that we are like all right we're just gonna start calling this swim calling that swim it just happened like we just all work together as like a family we all had like a group chat called like swim we called ourselves like the swim team in the group chat like the name of the ig group chat or whatever it was and then that's all this evolved into like if you're in the group chat you were swim and that's really all it was it was like honestly it wasn't like a i never went to him like hey do you

want to join swim never went to him like hey do you want to join swim yeah it's like you're here you're part of the brotherhood they were all basically like pull up like just yeah and then one day you had a sweatshirt and the rest was history yeah yeah yeah basically yeah there's no there really was no join there is no like gang you get jumped in i feel like people look at it as like like a cod clan like you remember back in the day like people used to make cod clans and like like this is not like a like a gang or a clan like it's literally just like family like let's say for example like if we never met bro right here and float knows him you know i'm saying and he just decides to hang out with us one day and he keeps hanging out and keeps hanging

out and decides to end up driving with us eventually like it just wants to like yeah becomes a thing yeah that's basically what it is so so do you guys do you guys like do you feel you keep using the word family and it comes across that way, too. Like, like genuinely, do you feel like you guys have a connection because of what you do? And and like no disrespect to your own families, but like people in your lives don't understand that. So there's no outlet there. Yeah. Yeah.

Honestly, like another thing is like, I'm surprised you guys don't talk about this but bro the reason why we're friends is because we all drive well with each other it's easy to drive well alone but having to account for two or three more people that's also doing the same thing as you it's a lot harder and you need to be able to like read what they're doing and read what traffic's doing so you don't re-rent your your you know your your friend you know and you guys but again it's like and i think tommy brought this up in the documentary there's like an adrenaline rush that especially like a lot of dudes we all have and we all live for it's been throughout human history but there's a huge difference like to people like me and tom when

we look at guys who get in a ufc octagon where they both agree like they're both a part of it right just and actually this is a totally different example but even to me like there's a huge difference when a mobster kills a mobster versus like when a guy kills his wife or something, right? The mobster, it's wrong to be clear. But like they know what they signed up for. You know what I mean? He was in the life. He was in the life.

Right. Whereas you guys, yes, you're doing it for yourselves, but you're doing it in public places where other people don't have the right to say, like, I want in or I want out. It's just anyone else who's in society and you're putting them at risk. Like, do you have a fear of that going wrong? Yeah, of course. Wait, what was that calculated yeah he's all he's off but he doesn't have sunglasses so yeah yeah just say go ahead yeah like even when you're you would be driving together you would calculate for everyone with you and take in account for to the traffic that's there like we're never gonna just blindly go throw the car there without

knowing or like you could say guessing what might happen in that outcome you could say like that will be going through your mind a lot when you're driving like it's not just one scenario like if i take this left to that right to that left like how is that gonna how does everybody else behind me come through that okay like that's something that you have to judge also when you're leading because you can't just take a cut that you by yourself could fit if you're traveling with five other people behind you so that's something else that you have to take into account when you're leading so sometimes it's harder but still as long as you calculate it to how much you can like how much you can so how much you can like to you personally how much you can that's why and also it's like having road vision as well like there's something called like okay so there's something called a three lane so three lane is basically when you

cross over three lanes right so if you're going that's a jersey slide yeah you're gonna get it right in my fucking state yeah so when you do jersey slide and you go from the left lane all the way to the right yeah if there's a car in the middle it's blocking your vision and there might be a car waiting for you all the way in the right lane so as you're coming like you're going from left to right really fast because of that car in the middle you couldn't see the car that's slow in the right lane right and as a driver you need to understand that that is a bad move. But the chances of like success on that, it's probably pretty slim.

And you got to do all this like in the moment. I'm trying to put everything into words here. It's like if I see him take that and I know I don't see what's on the other side, if I see a semi in the middle and I don't know what's on the other side of the semi, I'm not passing a semi on the right side. I seen enough videos online and like you know how the semi just starts moving and then you're there and he doesn't really see you especially me i'm the car so small um it's like i've had a near miss too of like um actually what was that video your nine lives fucking video no it wasn't that one it was remember the truck

that one thing that was one of the another okay you can pull up um yeah on where's 981 that one's actually one of the most popular i think uh go to videos um damn what was the title of that i think um yeah just scroll down let's go down a little bit more a little bit more somebody actually crashed trying to um trying to trying to swim with us oh someone just popped in who you don't know you could actually look at that video too if you wanted to yeah the cat logo kills me is that like that's not your cat, right? No, it's not my cat. Oh, if you go down a little bit more. Hold on, what was the title of that video? Wait, if you scroll up.

I think it's on ToastPage, though. No, it was on my page. Because you see the Crater video, where it says Crater right there on the thumbnail? It was around that time. I just don't remember the title. And it shows you almost hitting a truck. No, the truck almost killed me. How often do you have a close call?

Man, every once in a while. Wait, pull that in for Brad. Every day. Brad wants to pop in here. I drive every day, so I have a close call every day. Like, hopping on the highway it's like it's always that one gram oh you were talking about tunnels sorry to cut you off that's the battery tunnel right there if you click on that video i'm gonna try to remember in the meantime the battery tunnel going 130 in the battery tunnel

i don't it's right next to oh yeah yeah third one top yeah there it is there it is this is the wait is this battery tunnel is that Brooklyn

yeah I think it goes from there so you're going 130 here yeah in a one laner with those fucking yeah with the cars

coming towards me yeah with with the things those cone things in the middle I shit myself going like 60 around those look it literally looks like a spaceship this is what one of the few videos where you can actually judge the speed because of the things that's around you so you have a point of reference

now here's this is actually the first video i'm watching today i'm not going to condone it but you are on an like you were on an empty road there with no cars in front of you and then you could left lane coming towards me so if i messed up on my side i could have crossed now that's true oh very i was trying to throw you a bone but we weren't there no no i'm always going to be realistic with you i appreciate that it's it's just it like amazing and you just gotta understand this like it amazes me how self-aware and then also at the same time technically not self-aware you guys are on this that's how it comes across to me because like you know what you're doing but it's like yeah i'm gonna do it again it's fun bro yeah i just don't know how else to put it

it's like not to cut you i i wake up every day i don't wake up and say yo how do i total out this family of four right now you know what I'm saying right you know what I'm saying like I don't just wake up and just think like all right crash out no it's like I wake up all right I woke up a little bit late I gotta get to work I work 40 minutes away from home it is 20 minutes until I'm late I'm on my final strike I gotta get there you know what I'm saying I gotta keep making money so I'm gonna I'm gonna see that gap and I'm. You know what I'm saying? I got to keep making money. So I'm going to see that gap, and I'm going to just keep going. I'm going to keep going. I'm going to keep going.

It's like I'm not here to hurt anybody. I'm just trying to get to where I need to go. I don't want to say, like, people are in the way. Everybody's entitled to be on the road. You know, if you have a license, you have a privilege to drive. But it's like, dude, hold on. Yeah, yeah, pull on. one thing to add on to that hold on i'm gonna let you finish but yeah i said put out the best video all time all time right well like like the other part about it is like yo i want to get

there faster but i also this is a part of the calculated risk If anything bad happens I'm not going to get there faster at all So I have to go as fast as I possibly can To not fuck up to work Me trying to go faster Doesn't fuck up the whole scenario Because that one little minute

I probably could have saved Just turned into 50 people and a few ambulances you've ever seen someone fly past you and then they get into an accident and everyone they fluke and cut off is just honking at them and it's like gotta be one of the shameful experiences of all time oh yeah just sitting on the side of the road knowing that you you messed up bro but the shame the shame's a lot better than if it was a ball of fire and a lot of people died yeah of course of course you know what i think is

shameful right now in the community what's's that? Turn the mic towards you. I personally frown upon this is like right now, this community, like, I don't want to say they, they see what we do. Right. And they admire it and they try to, you know, replicate it. What I don't like is like nowadays, the new in thing is like, you're my friend. We both got nice cars. Let's go outside for a drive let's go get some

food something as simple as that why the hell is it that this dude in front of me is trying to like outshine me and trying to make me mac like all right so now it's like there's a two car space right here on the right side but there's a half a car space right here and we're moving at 140 and you want to take the tighter cut and me now following behind you i don't exactly have all the time in the world to react at 140. i have to adjust in that moment i can't hold up yeah pulling back you speaking cutting me cutting me i miss your bro like you know you know it's a pandemic out here bro like people really try to make people crash out here as a joke. He's speaking swimming knees. Swimming knees?

Yeah. Swimming knees, cutting knees. The terminology that he's using, unless you're like macking and all that stuff, unless you're in the whole scene, I'm going to know what he's really talking about. Yeah, but for those that's listening, yeah. Yeah know there's some i'm letting y'all try to make people cry y'all y'all love y'all love seeing y'all boy in a ball of fire it's crazy and it's like my boy really put 30k into that car and i just want to yeah i just want to see you fuck up that's it and it's like when you fuck up damn bro i'm so sorry let's go chat though yeah l l l's in the chat okay yeah let's all you're back

to the drawing board but uh the next day i'm going back to my regular life you know what i said like so that's why it's like it's a family it's a brotherhood it's chemistry you know what i'm saying it's like it goes deeper than what the surface he's like i know how he drives so it's like there's a video of me and him right uh we're it's me him and brie and we're outside and it's like he does this semi-truck thing like he goes in between a whole car and a semi-truck and he just waits and lines it up and just takes it but it's like i knew he was gonna do that i could have went behind him but what if that truck veers over right you know what i'm saying or i know that he's the type if he gets in an emergency situation, by all means, save yourself.

You know what I'm saying? And that's the honest to God reality that a lot of people don't understand nowadays too. It's like, I don't want bro to crash out because we were both doing dumb shit. If it's like, I got to go, I got to go. You know what I'm saying? But I know how he drives, so I can expect that. All right. He's about to take a left, right, right, left, left right right left left right right left do a whole spin

around on the highway and then do a mario kart flip onto the shoulder and back onto the highway and i've got to follow him through that you know what i'm saying so it's like i know bro is like that i know bro is like that i know that i have to be 10 toes and it's like every day you run into randoms and as he said before when you run into those randoms as time goes on you really put yourself in different scenarios so you learn things and sometimes you really have to go through the ringer and learn things the hard way so there's been mishaps you know what i'm saying expensive mishaps you you learn from it and you bounce back from it not 40k 50k you learn from it bounce back the name is bread sometimes yeah

i have a heart attack like when a thousand dollar piece of equipment has an issue we also move like as a group like um there's a video of where brie blocked the coffin so me and float could get a head start wait wait for you yeah I know it's for me, but hold it just a second. By the way, when you keep saying Bree, are you referring to Brad? No, I'm not. He's not here right now. He wasn't feeling well. I was getting confused.

I'm like, is he talking in third person? What the fuck? Okay, so there was a situation where he got the cop away. What was the video name? Oh, which one? Yeah, of where he blocked him. You want to go to his channel? BreeQ50.

How do you spell it? Bree, so B-R-I-Q-50. BreeQ50. And did he get away from the cop? Of course. That would have been a hell of an ending to the video. Give him a subscribe while we're at it oh he's about to be at 100 oh all right 92.5 all right do we do we know what the video is called yo what was that video called this is most popular the craziest police swim team outmaneuvering cop oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. Very.

Okay. Well, hold on. Oh, look, the disclaimer. All right. Everything displayed in this video, high graphic renders, simulate, mimic, nothing you are watching is real and should never be attempted in real life. I believe you guys. Thank you. Thanks.

It means a lot. All right. So, who's driving? It's Bree. That's Float behind, and then behind Float is me. Oh, wait, because we had the rear cam down below. Yeah, that's the rear cam. So Float is right behind, and then you're the third one.

Pretty much. And what time of night is this? Like 9, 10 o'clock? Damn, I don't even know. What time would you say this is? The road's somewhat full all right so now he starts making a move i'm watching the rear cam there down below and everybody's just following suit see how tight that is though like because gaps close

from what from car one to car three that's why being the third car is always the hardest yeah look at that like you just got stuck back there so you're behind that now you're coming through like god damn and sometimes like you see how that's an m4 up ahead like sometimes he would start trying to swim with us too and then might just make a new friend on the run do you ever like pull over at the end like hey man i mean yeah depending on how well they drove i was like yo what do you do bro what do you do for a living man i just keep thinking like vin diesel like join the team it's like getting his fucking neck sucked by michelle rodriguez so now you're laying back because you got to let them catch up essentially when what how much far is there like a uh can we see even like the cock yeah where's the it's right here i believe it's

yeah right here oh shit so you go up behind the cop yeah so look so everyone moves over look go back a little bit because look how because no one communicated like we didn't say anything we weren't on the phone right as soon as he turned his lights on and we realized that's a cop right there yeah you can tell sometimes they'll be in a 2024 honda accord right next to you you don't even know so now but he's in front of you that's a bad place to be so he's gonna he's like trying to think like oh do i break him out now do you in these situations at this point this has happened so much does your heart rate get jacked or you just like another day at the office? Not really. Yeah, it's pretty much like another day at the office.

You just got to take a deep breath and just think. You can't get too overworked. When you start to panic, you make mistakes. Also, you can't feel like you're on top of the world, you know? You can't feel like nothing is going to go wrong. And he only knows that it's... He thinks it's just him. That this is Brie right now.

He doesn't know that Float and you are back there. Yeah. So he's just... I would imagine he's probably on his radio like, what the fuck do I do? No. No? Okay, so this is where everybody speaks.

Now he's like, I made a miscalculation. Yeah, but look. So now everyone moves over to the right. And then look, look, look. I just shoot up to the front. There we go. And now everyone comes back in. The power of friendship.

And then block. He's right on your ass right now. Yeah, but there's no plane on the corner, and he's blocking them right now. So everyone's going. Oh, you're getting them off to the right. Yeah, this is Bree right now. This is blocking the- Bree's blocking, and everyone else is getting off to the right. And, this is Bree right now. This is blocking the- Bree's blocking and everyone else is getting off to the right.

And now he goes. And you guys are up in front now. Yep, pretty much. I didn't even see you guys get up in front. It was that fast. And he's gone. Yep. It's over.

And now we're gone. Holy shit, man. This is so beautiful. We ran out of time. We're at a beautiful play on comedy. There's people at home calling the cops right now like they may be recording this podcast right now get out to hoboken it's not yo that's that's a yo everybody was in hoboken with swim hoodies on it's like oh man they were in hoboken with swim hood oh oh you guys were walking up today no one saw see how quick that is though like like you almost just nailed each other right there bread can you pull the mic back in real quick because you had said for you you had said a few

minutes ago and we got off at the you because you drive every day yeah you have a close call like every day so i'm just doing math in my head of laws of probability because you've been driving since you were 13 let's say you started having close calls when you were 18 give you the benefit of the doubt i'm not gonna say how old you are now but it's been a while yeah how the fuck are you alive what don't kill you make you stronger what does not kill you makes you stronger you ever had an airbag deploy right on your head? No. Well, I've had an airbag come into me, but not in my head.

I'm talking about have you had your head on the airbag and it deployed? Oh, don't. Concussions are nasty. People say the smell of airbags is like the worst. I'm immune to that airbag smoke. It doesn't burn me anymore. I wouldn't say I'm a crash dummy. I've been in accidents with friends. Don't look at a crash dummy. I've been in accidents with friends.

Don't look at me like that. I've been in flips with my bro. He done flipped the bends and whatnot. But what happens because if you're driving and you don't get arrested after that? I mean, in certain cases, a lot of driving, I wasn't really driving in a lot of accidents. I probably had two accidents in my entire life. That you were driving? That I was driving, yeah.

Other than that, I've been passengers., passenger, like, when my boy flipped. As I said, my boy flipped his Benz one time, and that was pretty dramatic. Doing dangerous shit. It wasn't as dangerous in a moment, like, compared to what we do now. It was just a moment of blindsidedness kind of thing. And we just merged out into a highway, got clopped by, like, a car. Yeah. And you car. Yeah. And you survived.

Yeah. You know what I'm saying? But, like, the cops come up on the scene on that, and they go, what were you doing? At that time, it's not like we were on nothing. Things weren't swimming. That was just regular old bread. Yeah. Do you still get that, like, when you're having a close call, that sinking feeling sinking feeling like down here heading towards your balls where you're like, ooh?

No, not necessarily because it's like I'm at the point where when I'm driving and like every given moment, I'm trying to think out 30 different scenarios of how this can go if one or two things happen. So that's how I like always try to sit there and think but other than that i feel like i really get that feeling more so when i go out with the bros because it's like yo i'm excited like yo what are we about to do like oh man i'm following this guy what is he about to do like you know what i'm saying it's that type of like excitement yeah i had asked float earlier if he still had that same rush from when he was younger he said no not quite sounds like you still have it i mean i don't but i do like as far as like oh my god i gotta get in that car and i got to go make that drive. I got to go make the tightest car. Nah, I'm not there no more. I'm just at the point where it's like, honestly, if I don't have to burn gas today, I will lay in bed all day.

Right, but when you actually get out there and you're in a moment, like suddenly, all right, now you're at $1.40. Yeah, it's like at a given moment, it's like, all right, I might be chilling. This one guy, I hear this one guy just fly past me. And it's like, I could really let you rock today. But you caught me. So I'm going to let you learn today. So let's go. And it just happens.

You know what I'm saying? And you start to have fun in any given moment. You might just hit 140, 150. Have you guys known fellow drivers, not necessarily people that are in swim, but guys who do what you do who have crashed and killed themselves and or other people? I only know one person that died from an accident, really and truly. He was wearing a seatbelt, really, but what happened was it was a blindside once again, but his head hit the glass, and I guess internal bleeding. It was pretty tragic.

It was not like he was driving or anything. He was a passenger. They were coming from a party. He just didn't show up to work for the next two days. And then he was hit you know but you guys have only had close calls as swim you guys haven't had crashes as since you've been swim no i don't want to like encourage it but that's like unbelievable can we pull the mic over there no it's crazy to think about. Can we pull the mic over there? Nah, it's crazy to think about, but we really have cars to prove it.

Like, I have multiple cars to prove that. I've been doing this for a little minute, and I have all my cars here to show you. Like, you don't have to crash to learn how to drive. It's just such a different world because like you guys you guys just drive you're not you're not drug runners no you're not at one point i actually had a job as a as a medical courier but i got fired for making the deliveries too fast um i swear on again bro like medical medical career is that a that sounds like

a nice way of saying i was a drug dealer no i was actually transporting like bags of blood and like it's for medical companies you made deliveries too fast they fired you for that they're like how did you get from tampa bay to fucking georgia in an hour don't worry about it it's just they said it was a company liability so like i can't be doing that no more dot gonna get you that's unbelievable because like you got like like you're saying you guys still have lives outside this this is like a it's like a side hobby yeah like i can't get my license into trouble because of my job like i really can't like if i lose my license i lose my job like so i can't get caught doing some of these things you know right

but it's a risk. It is a risk, but it's like at the end, not, it's not that big of a risk at certain times. Like, because one, we're driving cars with the cops, like, respectfully,

some of them can't keep up. Like, it's too fast. And just the skill that comes with it. Like, we learned how to do this. Not to get away from the cops, but just to drive, you feel me?

Like, I don't, like, I'm one of the guys that I don't drive for the footage. Like, you can ask any of them. I drive just for the fun of driving. Like, I just like driving. Like, we'll go out for a drive, yo, let's go. Like, I don't care about the camera being there or not. Like, I care less about the camera being there or not like i care less about the camera at times like you do it for the love of the game yeah i do it for the love of

the game you could say like i just like driving like that's why i drive do you guys have like stash houses to be able to get to like if you need to if you're if you're in a in a bind like do you have places where you're like okay i can I can go off. I can go off the map right now because if I'm in a bind, I'm parking my car and taking a subway home. Wait, wait, let's, let's, let's get the mic over. Sorry. The safest thing to do. Let's say you really like got hot.

Like you just ran from the cops and like, it's bad. You know it's bad. And it's like, let's say it's like, I don't know, you're in like a secluded area where it's like,

you gotta cross a bridge to leave or something. Listen, do not go cross that bridge. Don't go cross that bridge. Don't go cross that bridge. Go find somewhere to park your car. Fuck the car, bro. Even, listen, just go park it.

It doesn't find a public street somewhere you can publicly park and not get it towed. Hopefully. But fuck the car, bro. Don't go drive across the bridge because you're probably gonna get caught they're looking for you go park the car let the car cool off and then go get it the next day two days whatever it is and then go home from there if you gotta take an uber to go home if you gotta even walk walk it's not worth it bro it's not worth it but again because you're doing it all in new york effectively so it doesn't like it's so many places to hide right but you're also keeping it in state yes like when you guys are working in in the team so it doesn't become

a federal issue where then it would be totally out of control. I don't think there's – even if we did go across states, I don't think there's like a federal driving charge. Is there a federal driving charge? They don't regulate anything in terms of driving violations. I don't know. Traffic violations. There's nothing for feds. I mean, the max they can hit you with if you are running is like felony eluding. Yeah.

It's a state charge. There's no felony charge at all so when that when they on on the separate issue when they arrested squeeze they arrested him for stuff that wasn't driving right so that allegedly well i mean that's public info i you guys could say but like that's at least what they said they are alleging he did other things that was not driving so it was you're saying like effectively only because they then once they had him in custody for other stuff knew who he was that's why they could brag and say oh we've taken this guy off the road but if if it had just been something where you know they came upon him and he hadn't committed other crimes, they wouldn't have even been able to arrest him. Probably.

Probably. I mean, they probably still could have arrested him for something. Like I said, they'll still try. Yeah. The lipstick. I don't know. But they probably still might arrest you just to at least process people. So that's the easiest, fastest way to get a target on your back.

Even if the arrest isn't legitimate, they'll still process you. So that means they have your fingerprints, your name, your address, everything. And they'll know where to find you. That's all they want is a tab. They just want to keep a tab on you. Right. That's it can you talk about that thing you were talking about before camera with with your close call you know what i'm talking about nah

they definitely keep a tab on me with that one they oh they i think they keep but they probably keep a tab on this guy i know they probably keep a tab on me guy. I know they probably keep a tab on me. Like, I'm pretty confident NYPD knows who I am. I'm not doing anything to bother them. I don't harass them. I don't think I've ever... I don't even think I've ever uploaded a video of me ever running for NYPD. So it's like... I don't do anything to bother them.

Yeah, I feel like they're gonna get more pissed like when they say i know that one squeeze ben's video where he like fucking points at them and laughs at them shit like that you can't do that you're actively like bro just think about it if you're a cop you got this guy taunting you or even even if you don't even know the cop that he's taunting but your fellow cop is like all right buddy you think you're tough i'm gonna use every if i'm a cop i'm gonna use every single tool i got i just i know that's what they're gonna do yeah i'm gonna find you even if it takes a year they got time that's what they call it the um i think it's like the it's like some kind of

prey method like the cobra method or something like that they just they'll take their time and they'll squeeze you like how a snake wraps you up and they they constrict you and at some point you die even though it's slow it's a slow death but they they will they will tighten down they do it very slow so that's wrong yeah even right now they're trying to make it harder with them yeah they got the the crt unit yeah yeah that's what they're doing. It's getting hard out here. Yeah. When we watch the Fast and Furious movies, those were some of my favorite movies growing up, right? These guys, the main characters in there are, by the letter of the law, criminals because they're doing illegal driving and stuff, but they're the heroes, right?

Like that's how we look at them and everything. Do you guys look at yourselves as the good guys or the bad guys wait pull that in pull that in sorry i look at myself as batman i'm the vigilante i feel like what i'm doing is good but to others it's frowned upon do you help anybody though i get people to work faster off that like if you uh there's a book called um i don't know if it was in this book i think it was in this book i think it was in this called the like switch and um basically it's like an fbi negotiator

and he just goes on and talks about how certain people have like different behaviors and one of the things about humans is humans are naturally irrational if you think like the the story that he used in the book was basically the story of al capone if you go ask al capone he felt like he was for the community he was doing all the right stuff he was doing he was justified in everything him killing somebody that he even felt like it was a crime right but that was in his head outside eyes looking in it's always going to be a different uh a different perspective most things is like like what is that statement beauty's in the eye of the beholder like most things is from a that person's point of view that person's experience like to us obviously

we're always gonna be we downplay certain situations but to somebody else we need some there are people that want to kill us you know like we there are people that like if they ever came across us on the road they will probably they have a gun in the car they will probably shoot at us why because they feel like we're that much of a threat to them yeah like other drivers yes there's some people out there that will honestly like there's the mad like when we come through and like i don't know if it's because we're sitting there they're sitting there in traffic and we're figuring out how to get through it as fast as possible i don't know if they get mad or what it is but they will do spiteful things to like to put you

and them in harm honestly it's not even like we're running into that though it's just i know that in other parts of america this probably wouldn't fly thank god we're in new york but like i'm pretty sure if we were down south and like if we were like in west virginia or something and we were doing like some of the maneuvers that we're fucking we're doing and we came across you know that one guy in that one pickup truck with that one thing in the back I don't

think it's gonna be pretty the wrong flag you know I don't think it's gonna end up pretty so like it definitely is in the eye of the beholder you know yeah so like there's some people, some kids, some guys, some... I'd be like, oh, my God, like, I love this. Like, and it's not even just young people.

It's old people, too. Like, oh, I was doing the same thing when I was your age. I was doing this. I was doing that. I love that you guys are doing this. And then you have the other people. The fuck are you doing? Like, that's literally how it sounds when we pass people i'm pretty sure when we pass some of those

npcs you're gonna hear stuff like that so i don't know it's all it's all the perspective is all subjective here here's the you bring up the al capone thing and that's that's interesting and we could play that on any bad world leader ever. Fucking Hitler thought he was the good guy, too. Same thing. Hitler, all these great people that great, they think they're great, but they're fucking murderers like Stalin and people like that. Yeah. They rationalize it to themselves, right?

And humans are irrational. Right. That's what it always comes down to. Now, here's a difference and you know it's not to make something like this seem more serious than it is it's a fucking podcast it's not a big deal but we're sitting around here not in cars right now i'm an outsider talking with you getting into the psychology it's in some ways slightly a therapy session in this way just for like you know like

getting in your head of like what makes you tick with things like this and you're forced to like step outside of what you do and answer difficult questions sometimes brutally honestly which i do appreciate you know where you're judging your own actions and you're aware then that those actions are that and that they're wrong and yet you're going to walk outside this door and you're going to get in the car and you're going to go 160 so it's like i wonder if i had gotten al capone in here at his height if he would have understood that like his killing was wrong while he was in here and would have walked out and still done it the difference is i don't think he would have understood that in here but you guys do because you're not al capone yeah that's a compliment like like you're low bar but you know like you're not

you're not that you're not you're not certifiable but you have you you have some sort of screw loose to be able to still go do this and rationalize it despite the fact you know you're rationalizing it you're self-aware of that 100 honestly i feel like at some point there might be like studies on on this this is probably definitely something that the the the the psychotherapist orists, whoever does those kind of studies, they probably have a heyday on something like this. You know? I'm pretty sure

they've done studies on other daredevils, but it's always going to be an interesting result. Like, I don't know. The only thing that I can say, it really just comes down to humans are irrational. I'm human.

He's human. They're human. It's hard to justify a lot of our actions. Right. A good friend of mine has been on the show a bunch. He's reformed. But this guy, Matt Cox, I call him the G-Foat. He was the greatest fraudster of all time so and you're like becky

we are now social workers we now work for the salvation army i made a badge you know it's really funny i made a badge using my social the picture on my social security using the picture on my wanted poster i use that picture on my social on my salvation army badge the badge said that i was a statistical surveyor he in over like a six-year period out of nowhere guy guy was 30 years old he had never committed a crime in his life didn't even drink right and then he was a he was struggling financially he's working as a mortgage broker and his boss whited out something illegally on a page and said, all right, you're good. Yeah, we can pass this mortgage. And then he just took that and eventually was like making fake Salvation Army cards and going to homeless people and stealing their identities.

Like he took it quite a far way. But he's self-aware of these facts afterwards now. And like he went to prison for a very long time, got out. And he knows like he's in his case, he's a megalomaniacal narcissist. He's well aware of like that diagnosis. So there is a level of self-awareness there. And one of the things he says is that when it comes to committing a crime everybody has a threshold and he's like here's what i mean if you're a mother and you have an infant and you have no money and you're homeless

you're gonna steal some fucking bread and he's like i would actually defend the mom who did that to feed her kid but that's a crime right he goes what i realized about myself after the fact when i was sitting in prison is that my threshold is very very low do you think you guys have a lower threshold technically because of what you do for that for the category that we for that threshold yeah it's definitely way lower yeah like if you compare it to like i'm not about to go sell no drugs I can't scam I'm not a scammer

I'm not about to definitely not about to go and kill somebody you know but what if you do like you haven't but what if you do this is the that's the difference involuntary I don't even want to open up that can of worms but

what i will say i'm not about to sit here and walk out and go point a gun at somebody and go pull a trigger like if i see you walking down the street i'm not going to actively go and try and kill you that that's the that's my threshold you're not going to actively do and i and i believe you and every time i go on on the road, it's involuntary. But you voluntarily go on the road. Exactly. 100%. So how's it involuntary?

But now this is the other point that a lot of people are going to probably justify with this. But there's no difference between, like, truly, like I i said even at 70 miles an hour it's still a big problem you get me so when everybody goes out on the road we all voluntarily sign up for the fact that we can't get an accident something can happen honestly we voluntarily sign up that somebody could fucking bust in here right now and then come start shooting at us right by living on earth you're voluntarily signed but it's probabilities and probabilities do come into play right because if i'm going 70 and i'm following the law let's say it's a 65 zone and grace is usually like 11

to 14 miles an hour so you're legal at that point if i'm going 70 and we'll go back to the little old lady switches lanes or something at one point and i clip her well that's that's a tragedy if i'm doing 160 though i'm breaking the law in every which way and also the probability of that turning into it's way higher yeah so you know that yeah and that's the part that you can't justify yeah and it's always gonna it always circles back to it's irrational it's gonna be a rational thought every single time yeah yeah pull that pull that in what do you call it megalo he was diagnosed diagnosed with

megalomaniacal narcissistic personality disorder i have to say that like six times in my head too me too um i don't consider it a disorder but i mean i want to say put me in that pool but i see where you're coming from. Yeah. Right. I don't know. Yeah. He's saying every single one of us is, you want to say it again? Yeah. Every single one of us is getting diagnosed with something.

Like there's definitely for a fact. And that narcissism, narcissism is probably a very good word to put on it. It definitely probably does go back to some kind of narcissistic behavior and awareness is one thing but there is no justification no i was just saying that you know i'm like one of the persons that was least likely to ever start doing stuff like this like i never drove in my life until like recently like a couple years ago like i never really had a license as a kid

i never wanted a car and you got this good yeah so my family was like so my family was always pretty poor and um money was always a huge issue like growing up so like i was always like searching for ways to make money and i've always had opportunities to make money illegally, but I never really took them. You know, it's like, even with like the, the, the, the, the swimming stuff, like when I upload videos to YouTube, like those videos, um, most of them get the yellow dollar sign. And because it's not following the ad guidelines. So I'm not doing this for the money. Right. It's just, it's, it's not no shit yeah it's not following the ad guidelines so i'm not doing this for the money right it's just it's it's fun and my like threshold is just like like i would i don't live a life of crime but just speeding is is i really wish everything that we're doing now gets to a point where there's so much money that we don't have to do it on the on the road right that that that craving gets scratched on the tracks even though we did say like track days might be tough but listen if i got track money track time track freedom i'm going and more tracks maybe yeah swim

race swim racing swim motorsports those are going to be things like we want to have a shop one day we want to have like all of these like all the stuff like like Hoonigan just recently um they went bankrupt like Hoonigan has like it has left the hole in people's heart yeah Hoonigan it's a it's a company they basically make car videos and they they make really good videos and then it's a it's a company they basically make car videos and um they they make really good videos and then it's a it's they they got you know ken block god rest his soul so he uh he recently he passed away and uh but he was uh one of their best drivers and he would literally there's videos of him like drifting up the the mountainside or whatnot And they made these videos on like closed courses and whatnot. And for us to have in due time, we will have the resources to make stuff like that happen.

But like I said, it's kind of like we already have a platform. I didn't think it was going to get this big. And now we kind of have to pivot and go in a different direction. Like we don't plan on doing this for the rest of our lives. Like, I'm getting older. Everyone here is getting older, you know. You get wiser. You eventually stop taking as much risk.

Like, I mean, I know I want to start a family when I get, you know. Would you want your kids doing what you do? Hell no, but it's unrealistic to tell your kid not to speak. He's going to do it anyways. I've had a lot of shower thoughts. And as much as I've had a lot of shower thoughts. As much as... I've had a lot of shower thoughts. Kids, man.

You can only guide them. You can't tell them. I don't know what my kids are going to do, man. I really don't. I don't know. No, I wouldn't want it. I wouldn't want them to drive like you do. Yeah, you yeah but you can't control i wouldn't want anybody wait you can't release well not for

me personally stay with the mic i think like i grew up differently like my dad drove like he's a driver like he knows that i drive like i think there's a certain point like for me like if i have a kid and they decide that they want to drive well me as a father knowing the stuff that i know now i'll try to do as much as i can for my kid like if i know they want to take up an interest in this field then i'll get you into go-kart and we could try to get you into all the right the right avenues yeah if that makes sense yeah that that makes sense yeah that's a better way yeah i'll try to get them into like better avenues to channel this because that's what i wanted like if i had it in a different way never know i might not have been here i might have been a race car driver somewhere if it went

differently right but what but where's your your dang does anyone ever call you that But where's your... Does anyone ever call you that? Like, where's? Yeah. Where's? Or they say nine. It just feels weird coming out that way. You could just say nine. I'd be saying nine, nine, eight. I'd be saying it all. Sometimes they go, yeah, Bob. You keep saying one day, though. Do you have a date goal in your head? And do you also recognize that you might not make it to that day yeah that's why i got life insurance okay i'm not gonna lie to you who the fuck is

insuring you yeah they need to be fired they don't know my insurance they don't know the lowest rates of my insurance company too you what i said i actually have one of the lowest rates of my insurance company because they don't know my life company. Because they don't know that you drive. Well, they know I drive, but. Yeah, you drive on the road. Yeah. Like everyone else. Yeah.

Yeah, but going back to that kid topic, I would like try to make my kid understand that, like, you got to respect the car. Like, this is like a bunch of metal on wheels that could go really fucking fast. And if you're not careful you're gonna you're gonna hurt yourself or somebody else and going back to that like every time my father has told me no and he didn't give me a reason i would always be curious to you know i need a reason especially i know myself i need a reason as to why i'm being told no why we can't do that like when i was growing up so that's how i would raise my kids and just make them understand that you know you're growing you're gonna here's a car

this is how you drive i'd actually like i want to say put a governor on the car like it limits the speed yeah but it's like like on golf carts yeah but it's like you have to as a father you need to understand how much your child can comprehend and what's going through his head and like know his tendencies you know and like play off of that like if i know that my kid don't listen to me i'm not giving him a fast car right right and you've seen there's been incidences where people pass away because parents have given their 16 year old 17 year old the-year-old the keys to a Porsche, a Scat, a Charger, right? And it's like, at the end of the day, the fact that my parents would tell me to stop and not do it, that is the greatest thing that they can ever tell me. Because they've done their part as a parent and has told me that it is wrong right but if you don't even do that

step you're kind of fucking up as a as a mom dad you know brad in 929 you guys want to weigh in on this like with your kids like if if you if you have kids like what your message to them would be would you want them would you want them driving um i'm gonna go first fuck it if if i have kids here's the thing about kids right you move back you gotta you gotta like learn as you as growing up you learn things sometimes the easy way sometimes the hard way and i don't want to tell my kid to not experience life because i like i understand where there's not a certain freedom that you know personally i had growing up i had to like fight for certain leisures to be able to like you know show them that like listen i'm responsible to go outside like you don't have to call me at 11 o'clock wondering where i'm at like i'm good

like you know what i'm saying but that's that's parents they're always going to worry about their children but it's like if i do have kids you know i'd tell them you know experience life just always think about what you're doing from different perspectives because like a lot of people in life don't think about things from different perspectives the way other people might be the way other people might be affected might look at this or something like that so i feel like just being like omni-perspectivized i don't even know if that's a word but like you know just being able to see things from a different lens it's like is very key to growing up also what i want to say is like depending on how you got your cars also how you how much you respect um what you're doing like if you were given things like if your parents bought you the car is also how you how much you respect um what you're doing like if you were given things like if your parents bought you the car which isn't bad right but you tend to look at

it at a different way than someone that's worked their whole life right and i none of us here come from money right and we we had to really struggle like there's been nights like i remember one time i was like talking to god time I was talking to God because I was trying to figure out how to make money so I could feed my dog. I got a dog. Yeah. Well, that doesn't narrow things down. Yeah, maybe not.

But I got a bunch of them. I got a bunch of them. But yeah, man, it's one of those things. Sometimes you just got to keep on going. You got to keep on going. You got to keep on going. I don't even know I'm here speaking on a podcast. I really don't know how my life got to this point. We just kind of freestyled the whole thing, you know.

It was Tommy G. Yes, Tommy G. 99, you want to weigh in? I just feel like honestly like when it comes to like if i had a kid and he wanted to like you know driving stuff like just to keep it short and simple i feel like honestly i would let him experience it but more so like from my experience i would want to be in the car with him for like the beginning just to see like what he's doing like you know have him practice um and yeah honestly like just adding on to what bright said just like letting him literally experience like

whatever he wants to do because i feel like i will have trust in my kid and my child so yeah i've been thinking about this because i knew you guys were coming in over the last few weeks i've been thinking about this a lot and like a common thing that people really look down on and righteously so is like when we see a tragedy where like a drunk driver killed somebody and there was there was one very public one recently that happened close to where i grew up with some guys who some of my friends grew up with and know really well you hear about this uh gaudreau case with the hockey player and his brother yeah so johnny gaudreau future hall of fame hockey player he and his brother maddie who were both south jersey legends in hockey were home to be in their sister's wedding on august 30th and the day the

night before i believe they were biking from their parents childhood house to a friend of theirs new house that they had bought something like that and on the way there a drunk driver hit both of them and killed both of them instantly johnny had two young kids ages two and six months his wife is pregnant with a third maddie's wife was pregnant with their first and the parents had to bury their two sons and this was very public because obviously it's public because johnny extremely, he's a celebrity. He's a well-known guy. But, you know, when you see cases like this that are public, you, it forces all of us to have to look at the pain that those families are in because someone made a very bad decision. And I'm never going to defend drunk driving, but like those people that drive

drunk, they make a very bad selfish decision and put a family like that through torture. When they do it, their mind is literally inebriated. So they're in a bad position to make a decision. When you guys go out on the road, though, again, you're not driving drunk. You're very highly skilled drivers, but you're driving dangerously and you're making this decision. You don't do anything. To be clear, we haven't said this on air yet. You don't do anything where you're drinking or smoking or ever getting behind a wheel like that. So you are doing everything sober. But you're still getting behind a wheel and making a conscious decision to drive 160, 180 miles an hour where you could potentially kill somebody.

So, you know, this has come up several times today. But do you see why there's people who would say the anger i feel at the driver who killed the gaudreau's i feel at you you want me to be so honest like people take people make choices every day and like you have to live with those choices you have to live with the you know you're the consequences of your actions if i god forbid if i was to crash into somebody like i i'd be at a loss of words, like, especially if there was, I was the reason why somebody else's life was gone.

It's, like, it's fun until it's not. Yep. Right? And that's why we're all telling you that we can't justify this, but we still do it. And that is, like, the ultimate worst-case scenario, and I pray to God that that never happens. And, like I said, like, the chances of that is, like, the ultimate worst-case scenario, and I pray to God that that never happens. And like I said, like, the chances of that happening

was probably a lot higher years ago when I was younger, and I wasn't really, you know, like, thinking with the same mindset that I have now. Honestly, in my opinion, my driving has tamed down a lot compared to, like, my older videos. If you watch my older videos, they were a lot more reckless compared to like what I'm putting out now one thing as well is that still not justifying but when you're drunk you don't have that same ability to minimize risk that's right you don't don't care all fucks are out the window like there's nothing telling you to not do this

to break here, to do this like I can see how somebody could try and draw it along the same lines but you don't have control when you're drunk and I would argue that every time we drive like this like we're probably

the only ones paying we're probably the only ones paying we're the we're the the people that's paying attention to the road the most we're not on our phone we're not like you know we're completely focused on the road trying to like survive really if you as a driver and as someone who would like to stay away from people like us or try to stay as safe as possible on the highway as possible, use your mirrors. Be aware of your surroundings. Look at what's going behind you just a couple of times.

Do not switch lanes. Even if, fuck the blinker but just look just look just take that one second to turn your head and look forget the people driving fast but just for the sake of like little old grandma could be in the left lane right there and you the amount of times i see people that they they start like people do use their blinker but they start to like i said they sway they drift so your mind has already made the decision that you're going to switch lanes but before you even indicate to other people or even see if you're even able to you're already switching lanes stop doing that look behind you make sure it's clear don't make last minute decisions if you know you have to take an exit don't

yeet from the fucking first lane across three lanes to go try and take an exit don't do that like if you want to make yourself as safe as possible, be aware of your surroundings, follow all the traffic laws, because I'm not going to lie. Bro, if you just stay there, if you just, if I'm on the road and I'm driving fast, reckless, whatever it is, if you want to stay safe, keep doing what you're doing. Don't switch lanes. don't start slowing down don't make any maneuver if it's an emergency obviously do what you have to do i'm gonna try and prevent the emergency i'm gonna try and do what i can as well but if you're someone that just sits there and you're lax and you stop paying attention and you just switch lanes and you don't even look back even outside of me you're probably gonna hit somebody bro even if it's a

small fender bender you could have just saved your car just by you just looking at your mirror the simple things will prevent you and honestly truly if we all follow traffic laws, we could not exist. Yeah, that's what I was just about to say. There's no way. Say that again. If we all follow. If everybody follow. The fast lane is for fast people.

The middle lane is for a little bit slower. And then you have the slow lane. So you wouldn't exist if people followed? Because look, in Germany, if we was to take a flight in and out of lanes because i understand the staggering of traffic if we took a flight to germany right now the going fast is not the problem like it's been proven in germany on the autobahn right you can go crazy speeds speeds that i still haven't even touched yet yeah and you got guys holding conversations at those speeds so it's not like it's speed it's just the delayed traffic is set up it needs to it needs a but that is the way traffic's set

up here though and like and again the challenge that people will have to what you say there, I don't disagree with you. Like, people should pay more attention. I have to adjust to the traffic 100%. They'll say that, but they'll also say, okay, so you're equating driving 90 miles out over the speed limit on the same level as someone who just doesn't use their blinker to move from one lane to another.

And I'd say that person's less at fault than you though you see why i'd say that like if you're going 90 like if the speed because you're in america it's not germany it's and so the the way we drive is different i'm 100 at fault yeah i get what you're saying because i know there are people that sit there and switch lanes at random times so why why would I put myself in a situation to where I can't prevent that from being an accident? You're right. I understand. But it's going to go back until humans are irrational.

Can't justify. Love that. Oh my god. People need, look, if you because the road laws are the same over here too. Like the left is for passing the right lane. You stay in the right lane. And the middle lane is also for passing, right?

Like if someone's in the middle, that's when you're supposed to use the left most lane to pass somebody. But people don't follow the road laws here, right? Sometimes like in my videos, you'll see like there's traffic. And then after that little bubble of traffic there's it's just free game there's no traffic so like why was that there in the first place and you find out that it's one guy in the middle lane holding everybody up because they're going slow right right and it's just stuff like that just makes you so it all started off with us just trying to get to places on time and then you realize you're kind of good at it fair enough well we covered a lot of ground today i appreciate you

guys answering all the questions and everything obviously like you know you do risky things there's going to be hard questions but like you've been sports about it and you were with tommy as well people out there are certainly going to have some strong opinions about what you do on the other side of it not to condone it again don't try this at home you can't make everybody happy you can't make everyone happy but i mean some of the driving is puts nascar to shame i mean it's it's i'll be bad still that's that's what like i said driving at high speeds for a long time, that's a toll. I'm going to give my props to the NASCAR girls.

Any type of professional racing, they have top-level endurance, especially when it's about their health and stuff. Well, I hope you guys at least keep moving towards the long-term vision of being able to not do this and focus on the other things. Please give us hope. Thank you. Yeah, and maybe yeah and maybe improve that and i hope that happens sooner rather than later and that nothing in between that happens but y'all are grown men you know you're gonna make your decisions and everything but thanks for doing it guys i appreciate it thank you man thank you for having us absolutely

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