Julian Dorey Podcast - #269 - Diddy's Hollywood Parties, Jay-Z's Lawsuit & MrBeast Investigation | It’s Blanko

Starting point is 00:00:00 I never got one of those. Look, the whole ecosystem is crazy. We're going to talk all about it today. But for people just tuning in right now, we probably just started the podcast just now. But we got It's Blanco in the building. Jersey's finest right here. I love having Jersey creators in here doing great shit. And we got your boy Aiden as well.

Starting point is 00:00:23 Aiden, thank you for putting this together. Aiden, you've worked with Ethan here. Your real your name your real name yes my name is ethan yes you've worked with ethan for what about two and a half years two and a half years yeah building up the channel so dude obviously you came up making shorts and then turn this into long form investigative storytelling it's excellent like your videos really go step by step they they tell the story but they go into intense detail. And you do everything from like a Diddy investigation, which – pause. We're going to get to that in a minute.

Starting point is 00:01:04 And everything from that to creators who have gone like off the fucking reservation to drama within the creator world where people are tried in the court of public opinion before there's actually something out there to – I saw you did saw you did a video on like the, the stuff on, on porn stars, which was wildly, really sad, to be honest. And also kind of fascinating too. We'll talk about that, about that today. But like, what got you into, into doing all this stuff? Like, were you always the guy just like trying to get the tea on Reddit? Um, like, I mean, like this league has been like a journey, like years in the making, obviously. Cause like it all started like on TikTok. Like I remember Louis, like, I mean, like, this, like, has been, like, a journey, like, years in the making, obviously. Because, like, it all started, like, on TikTok. Like, I remember literally, like, it started, like, the day of quarantine. I remember, um, like, literally, like, what was that?

Starting point is 00:01:32 I remember, like, oh, that's a funny story how I got into TikTok. So, actually, um, I used to date this girl who was, like, crazy on TikTok and she got me to download it. And I remember, like, it was completely against my will. It was, like, held at gunpoint to download the download the fuck I'm not downloading this Chinese no and I remember like literally um and then like obviously things didn't like work out and I kind of like a part of me that kind of wanted to spite her by like just going viral on the app oh despite the girl yeah because I'm a fucking petty ass dude man I'm petty as shit I'm petty as shit dude like I'm just like I'm really cocky like also like I'm petty as shit. I'm petty as shit, dude. I'm really cocky.

Starting point is 00:02:06 Also, I remember when I was watching the videos, I was just seeing the dumbest stuff going viral. I'm like, I can do that shit. These guys, what the fuck is this? I can easily do that shit. So I just started going in on it. I got humbled because, man, my first video is like i thought these would like blow up nah like it's what were your first videos that i'm not sharing that you're not gonna give us

Starting point is 00:02:30 the inside story no i will it was like um following a lot of like the dance trends and stuff like that no like not not like um or like get out get out want me to demonstrate yeah do the run again right now i had no idea i had this one where like shake my really not no like it wasn't like it was like um not like the like dances it's more like the like the jokes that like went like with it you know what i mean like following a lot of like the audio jokes i was really trying to follow like the trends and like trying to follow like the jokes with the trends like um a lot of it like didn't work i remember like what was the first video oh do you remember the very first video of mine that blew up on tiktok is it a lot of it, like, didn't work. I remember, like, what was the first video? Oh, do you remember the very first video of mine that blew up on TikTok? Is it the skit? It was,

Starting point is 00:03:09 like, a skit type of thing? No, it was the year, it was the yearbook one. Remember that? Okay, so I remember, like, so I remember this was, like, I remember, like, it was, like, three months after, like, uh, I downloaded the app. I think it took me, like, after, like, a hundred ticks, like, I posted this one joke. I, like, um, it's, it's so cringey in hindsight, but this is basically how it goes like basically i pull up like a high school like yearbook right and i say so it's been like a couple years since i graduated high school so i'm gonna share some drama and so like i open up the textbook and i like um and you don't see my face initially so i show a picture of like this person

Starting point is 00:03:39 i'm like this guy got suspended because he wrote his fiction essay is a fiction essay on women's rights and then i'm and then like I show myself and I'm like, obviously I can't share his identity for security reasons. You see, it's me the whole fucking time. So it starts kind of innocuous at the end of the day. Yeah, it was a lot of just like, yeah. I don't know what that word means. I'm going to be completely honest with you.

Starting point is 00:04:02 Yeah, I'm sorry. I don't know if I know what it means either. It just sounded cool. It sounds very just sounded cool sounds very intelligent yeah someone probably there wasn't meaning there wasn't like a direction you weren't you were just doing kind of the random shit but at some point one day you're like i'm gonna become an investigator yeah so what did that so basically so like it's like um it's like i had like a lot of like different viral moments before that right because like i like i had millions of followers before I did the investigative stuff, in all honesty. Like, this was a very, like, complete, like, different direction.

Starting point is 00:04:30 So, like, it was, like, that type of video. And, like, slowly I did, like, more and more, like, one-off, like, jokes and everything like that. One series that really took off the TikTok, it was, like, a joke series. And, like, this is, like, a year after I started TikTok. I remember, like um what was it like remember the cancel series yes yeah yeah so i remember like um literally like the like the joke was like things we need to cancel we need to cancel arts of schwarzenegger because like his last word sounds like the hard r and like that's like racist it was like a series of just like

Starting point is 00:04:59 things like that and it was like just like five of those in like one video and that shit took off like crazy like those videos got like three million likes and like 20 million views like i made like five to like eight of those and that took me to like over a million followers was that like also when you were doing the which character are you which disney character would you fuck oh yeah those are yeah those were wild oh man i love those oh my god yeah yeah like showing like a rug rat it's like oh hear me out can't even go there yeah those are really good those were later on though right or a little bit late a little bit later on because like the thing was that like um like i was doing like all these like things and like i understood it was going viral but i understood like if i wanted to have longevity it was like i was gonna do something that was like outside of like these like tiny

Starting point is 00:05:47 gimmicks don't i mean i want to like establish like a personality and something i could like you know really bring to the table so then i got that's where like over the next couple of years i did like more of like the commentary space like essentially like that main tiktok account like i would start doing like more and more of like of, like, the news slash, like, commentary type of stuff. And that took off, like, really well on TikTok and on, like, shorts. Because, like, with all my other videos, we already got to, like, I want to say, like, we got to at least, like, half a million subs with the shorts, like, with all, like, the jokes and everything. But I'm like, okay, like, I, because, like, I also just wanted to, like, just talk about things. Like, I really wanted, like, you know, to be able, like, to, like to be able to describe things in detail and also make it funny and also make it be informative.

Starting point is 00:06:29 You're also moving at that point from being – we were talking about something similar off camera before we started. But you're moving from being commoditized towards skilled online, right? requires you got to be able to go in separate the fact from the fiction do a deep dive tell the story in a way that is going to be entertaining easy to follow organized for for it to make sense to people and actually like put out a full product so that's very different from all right i'm going to be able to make a bunch of videos quickly just reacting doing something funny because eventually that clock runs out and someone else comes along who's like a little funnier with something else and people move to the next thing like commoditize. You know what I mean? Right.

Starting point is 00:07:08 Exactly. That's like that's like what like I was like thinking like how do I do this and make it unique and like also like bring some basically make it like up to date, make it unique and make it like just quality in general. Because I want to talk about like topics like, you know, that are like recent that like, you know, are still like trending that people may be curious about and just give like the full story yeah let's give it the full story and also just like make it like in a way that i also personally like it you know what i mean like because i like making things funny i like making entertaining i like including my personality like i really do that yeah i really like i love like i love doing it like i think it also makes it makes it enjoyable for me and it makes the video like more fun um like yeah basically because like i i like i like making things entertaining and enjoyable for like everybody and making it unique because i don't

Starting point is 00:07:49 like make like making it like so robotic yeah and serious there's nothing wrong with like the unbiased like stuff that like in that way but to me like like when i try that it makes it like so depressing yeah you inject your opinions in there but it's not like over and the videos i've watched it's not overdone it's like it's it's it's in very specific spots where you clearly have a point of view and then you put your personality into it i think that's okay like the people that are constantly when they when they go into a video with a complete agenda and are injecting that everywhere without even giving us the details while they're going along that drives me nuts yeah like it really like i must like like the very like obvious bias like and like you know in favor of like whatever like their opinion is it does get a little bit

Starting point is 00:08:28 annoying because like you like i like that's also partially what inspired me to do things like the way i do it because like you know i want to include the full story yes the full story so this way people can also like take their own like you know take away from it because like i have like you know had like videos where people like you know had a different opinion and everything like that like that has happened and that's completely fine you know what i mean i just want to give like the full story and everything yeah i i want to get to one of those later because there was there was one where you did like a series on on right a guy and it was i listened to a bunch of that and it was fascinating i had a lot of mixed emotions on it because

Starting point is 00:09:00 especially when you're talking about people who do have the dirty word like a ton of clout online they're incentivized to keep moving along to you know you're only as good as your last video or your last piece of content such that i understand what can happen to where details get left along the way because you're trying to you know plug fucking a million holes at a time which when they do you got to make that right and i think guys like you are helping keeping people honest. So I'm not saying who that is yet, but we'll get there. But you just did a video on Jay-Z. Right. And this one, I haven't watched it.

Starting point is 00:09:32 I want to hear about it from you because I think you just dropped it like yesterday. Yeah, we did. Yeah, we dropped it a day ago. It's doing all right. Yeah, it's – let's see. Like, yeah, basically like – because like obviously like I've been meaning to do a video on jay-z for like a while why because of like his affiliation with diddy basically because like there has been like a lot of like interesting stuff like with him essentially and like with the lawsuit that's like what really like sparked up the inspiration for it the one that the one

Starting point is 00:09:57 like big b or whatever the hell his name is the one is b busby did oh tony tony busby yeah like like basically was accused of like you know like assaulting a 13 year old girl with diddy at like a party like um i did like a deep dive into it and like essentially because like jay-z has like a very interesting history the title like is a little like clickbaity because like he has a very interesting history but he's never really technically done anything wrong he's never technically actually like you know been like at least caught like doing something or proved like I'm doing something that like, you know, puts him in the affiliation of like Diddy. Because like it's very interesting because there's like there's like the four like, you know, hip hop billionaires and all of them have like and I'm like Dr. Dre. He's have he has a very wild, wild history of like beating women relentlessly.

Starting point is 00:10:41 Kanye, I don't think we need to get into that. And and Diddy.dy yeah i think you already know what i'm going with that and jay-z is like the fourth one who's a billionaire who's like the richest out of all of them but always has had like the best like history so it's like either like one he's just genuinely like a good guy who maybe he's had like a couple slip-ups that like no one really cares about or like there's just a lot of stuff like in his closet that like you know it's kind of like just slowly building up that's gonna come out like all at once kind of like with diddy because with diddy like you know this was

Starting point is 00:11:13 like 25 years like or even like 30 years of like insane shit that just slowly built up that just all came out like at once like everything just came came out at once. Here's the thing about Diddy. And this really doesn't mean anything. This is more anecdotal on my part. Okay. I've heard whispers about Diddy forever. And I'm also the world's biggest Tupac Shakur fan. All right.

Starting point is 00:11:37 Like I grew up on that shit. And like obviously we don't fuck with Diddy. Because all that. Period. End of story. Diddy absolutely had something to do with what went down there in my opinion so I will say allegedly for all the lawyers out there watching but with Jay-Z let me start by saying if Jay-Z actually were guilty of horrible shit I'll be the first guy to be like send him to prison bury him under the jail 100%

Starting point is 00:12:02 and that's just how it is like I listen to the to the song, I Believe I Can Fly. It's fucking great. I'm happy R. Kelly's in prison. Okay? There are two very different things here. That is far more serious over there. with people wanting jay-z to literally be the devil what what is that and do you think that you've unearthed some evidence or seen some things that can that can say like hey he might be so i'll give you the whole thing um let's do it i definitely so honestly this video like in all honesty i was a little iffy on like i'm because like part of the reason like why like it's up is because like obviously i'm trying to get like on a schedule and everything like that, and I did want to talk about it, so the title is a little misleading. I will say that. Like, uh, it was kind of, like, intending to be clickbaity because, like, I know a lot of people, they want Jay-Z to be the bad guy right now, and in my video, I state, hey, nothing has actually been proven yet. He hasn't done

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Starting point is 00:14:15 your financial goals faster with Rocket Money. Go to rocketmoney.com slash Julian today. That link is in the description below. again that's rocket money.com slash julian third time for good effect rocket money.com slash julian so essentially like so i'll kind of go with the beginning so basically like the reason why people kind of always had like their eyebrows raised against jay-z he's always had a taste in like younger women first like any person he's dated has been like literally just like turning legal and he's at least like 10 years older than them first girlfriend was like 20 years old when he was punching 30 second girl you know who alia is right oh yeah he dated alia and obviously you know she

Starting point is 00:14:56 was super controversial because she dated r kelly when she was 15 and r kelly was like punching 30 r kelly who was he best friends with did two albums with and went on tour with the gigaman naz rapper naz said that jay-z knew that r kelly was having minors in the studio now obviously naz and jay-z had like a beef so how credible that is i don't i don't know like i said because like a lot of people who speak out against him clearly have some type of intentional bias against him naz obviously you know it's like not like you know i'm not saying he's a liar but to say he's the most credible source and unbiased source it's kind of it you know what i mean that's not really appropriate right so there also were the rumors that he groomed beyonce when she was very young because how young they're like we're

Starting point is 00:15:40 talking like 16 15 what's the evidence on? So like essentially the evidence is that like there's a lot of like uh, like mixed stories Essentially because the story that they say was that they met when beyonce was 18 And jay-z was like 30 and then started dating when she was 19 when he was 31 but there's kind of like uh, like not a lot of matching things because like in some interviews they say 18 and some interviews they say 17 and some interviews 16 50 okay wait what what is it like which is it because there's literally an interview with jay-z where he's um i believe it's charlie rose like a fact check me on that if i'm wrong but like he's doing an interview where essentially he knew who beyonce was since she was 15 he knew of her existence since 15. He said that.

Starting point is 00:16:26 Like, essentially, yeah. Like, because, like, basically, like, when, like, she essentially was recording the Destiny's Child video, or, like, recording the first Destiny's Child album, like, in, like, around, like, 1997. And there is photographic proof that they met, like, when she was 16, essentially. There is proof.

Starting point is 00:16:43 There's, like, pictures, like, online that they met in 16. Now, there is proof that there's like pictures like online that they met in 16 now there is no like evidence that like you know he did anything or like you know did anything sexually to her at that age but you know anything but he's known who she was and they've known each other had been each other's presence and known of both of each other's existence since she was 16 and then like you know you know who this girl is, like, when she's very young? Yeah, I think this may be the one. Did you post it because someone's, like, 35, 54 is where the time stamp is? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:17:10 Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Grab that. I'm like, how did you know, like, what time it was? That's crazy. I was like, damn, Alessia, I was unfamiliar with your game. Jamie on steroids here, damn. I mean, that's obvious because Beyonce has a deal there.

Starting point is 00:17:24 I know her. How long have you known her? Wow, a long time. How long? Ten years? How long? However long she's been recording. When I met her. She started recording when she was 16.

Starting point is 00:17:38 Don't you remember how long it was? Yeah, when I met her. Was it five years ago? I met her ten years ago. What did you say to yourself at that time? Wow. I said, yeah,

Starting point is 00:17:50 she's, that's a fantastic talent. That was, that what you said? Yeah. Yeah. You saw talent before you saw anything else? Yeah,

Starting point is 00:17:58 because she was singing like a rapper. It was the first song with Wyclef and she was singing really fast. And I was like, why is she singing so fast And she was on key And everything I was like oh she's There's a talented person right there

Starting point is 00:18:14 Back to Sony So he said though That he met her 10 years before But he was saying right before That I'd known of her since she was gone And this interview was in 2007 and so 10 years ago 1997 so that would have made her around like 16 17 at the time like like essentially like regardless it's underage like when he claims like they met her and it just like doesn't line up with some of the other things being said you know what i mean because clearly they did not meet like at 18 so it kind of like raises eyebrows you

Starting point is 00:18:44 know what i mean it's just a little yes it's a little fish just a little fishy and so obviously like you know because like and like with that combined with like you know his affiliation like with r kelly because like when him and r kelly when they were like still recording they recorded two they made two albums together and they like did a tour in 2004 this was after the leaked video of him you know doing you know what with an underage girl this was after all that stuff was coming our cali yeah this is like so clearly he was still choosing to affiliate and work with you know someone who was like you know already kind of like quote unquote exposed for a lot of that stuff and then obviously then

Starting point is 00:19:19 diddy enters the picture right because him Diddy, they've been working together since 1997. 1997, I'm pretty sure, is like when they officially started like working together. They collaborated. They do a lot of business together. They're obviously good friends. You know what I mean? So like, you know, they share a very common love of business, hip hop, and obviously getting into very similar legal issues like essentially like uh so like basically like you know the question is like all right like did jay-z attend any of those

Starting point is 00:19:51 parties is kind of like the question and there's only one other person who really definitely did like most most likely but like there's no like proof you know what i mean there's like like you know what i mean like innocence will prove him. But that can also mean a lot of things because – and this is where I think we make a mistake in the court of public opinion when we look at these things. A guy like Diddy who, again, it's all alleged. To me, it's pretty clear. Like he's a horrible guy. It doesn't mean that that shit happened to every party. In fact, I'll bet the majority of parties that stuff didn't happen while the party

Starting point is 00:20:25 was going on maybe the after party it happened yeah and maybe because the dude threw a lot of fucking parties maybe throws fucking 40 a year and maybe it happened at 10 of them so if you're a high attendee of those parties you might go to 10 and they might not be the 10 where that you know what i mean yeah now does it look bad because j Jay-Z and Diddy are very clearly close? Like there's other people I will say who I guess have cozied up to Diddy in the past publicly who are not tight with him privately. I will say that. I don't have that information on Jay-Z if that's the case. It doesn't seem that way though. It seems like Jay-Z, like you said, is very intertwined in business and all different

Starting point is 00:21:07 kinds of things within the industry with Diddy long-term. So that doesn't look good. I agree. Yeah. Cause like, like, cause it doesn't look good, but like, obviously you said like, there could be a chance where like, you know, maybe he just does the business and the public shit with them. But like when it comes to like, and maybe he did know about Diddy's freaky shit, but

Starting point is 00:21:22 maybe just like chose not to get involved with that. Or maybe he just genuinely didn't know. Maybe Diddy like didn't tell Jay-Z about that because he's like, you know, maybe like, you know, Jay-Z's not that type of guy to get involved with that type of stuff. It's, it's like, it's genuinely possible. Like I'm not saying it's not. Chances of that being likely, that's up for you to decide. You know what I mean? That's kind of like what I bring up because like, again, he's known him since 1997. That's basically how long the shit's been going on. He's known Diddy like since the beginning and to, you know, like presence of when all this weird shit was going on. That's also why it's very hard to believe in the plausible deniability aspect.

Starting point is 00:21:59 Right. have such a societal wide issue right now and much of it i completely understand and i'm in the middle of it myself where there's like the elites and and and then you know the main street people and there's something about the allure of of these elites whether they be in politics in business in culture in hollywood whatever it is where it's this grand ivory tower and they're all in it no matter what. And therefore they're all bad no matter what. And the fact of the matter is there are pockets, just like the laws of probability say in every single one of these places where there are literally the worst people, just like we have some of the worst people on main street too. Someone goes out and kills someone. That's a fucking horrible person. Someone goes out and

Starting point is 00:22:42 does something horrible to a little girl. That's a person but they have it too we just have to have this thing in society where we say no it's us versus them team x versus team y and like all of team x is bad and they all do this stuff and therefore we feel better because we're talking about it online and that's where i think it's important like when you do these investigations like you do a lot of detail into them to figure out like okay what's what's smoke what's not you know where could this go and then by the way like if it does if things start to pile up like what did he once they start to pile up publicly fuck yeah pile on to that because this is a horrible person who needs to go away forever for the stuff they did and and i will fully support that and be a be a part of that movement i just want to make sure we're not because you have examples of people who were

Starting point is 00:23:28 trying to public opinion before they were actually found innocent like i want to make sure we're not doing that to people did he's a bad example maybe jay-z will be a bad example too maybe he really is a horrible guy but like i obviously you know for the sake of like you know no victims i hope he's not actually a terrible person just for like the sake of like you know innocence and for like you know his children going up with a good role model i hope he's not actually a terrible person just for like the sake of like you know innocence and for like you know his children growing up with a good role model i hope he's not innocent like you know like for like because he's a smart person yes he's a smart intelligent guy like the like you know to get like to where he is it takes more than just like natural talent or whatever like he's got like a very surreal amount of intelligence like seriously like i'm

Starting point is 00:24:01 not trying to describe like i like i think it's like super cool seeing someone come from like a horrible background i love the rags to riches stories honestly i think they're the best that's why like it pains me to see shit like that happen even like with diddy because it's very similar thing like it just like did he got put on though jay-z put himself on did he got put on i don't know he had no talent really had no background he's a fucking moron if you ever heard the guy talk i mean really one plus one's gonna be difficult i will say actually it always like like honestly like it always like was interesting to me how like um diddy was always like one of like the hip-hop billionaires yet like i never really heard a single diddy song in my entire life i was like i actually always like make the joke of my friends i'm like yo can

Starting point is 00:24:43 you name one diddy song no you can't like diddy Diddy was like an intern for Clive Davis, who's like a legendary Hollywood talent evaluator and record label executive. And then got set up with Bad Boy Records. And then just magically, you know, the first fucking big signings, Notorious B.I.G. I mean, I could have sat there on drugs and notorious big would have been like the biggest rapper in the world and me doing nothing for him and if you remember like suge knight and i think it was like the 96 late 95 or early 96 maybe vma awards or something he gets up on stage with all the with all the death row records guys he's like and if you want a producer who's not up all up in your videos all up in your bullshit and he was taking a shot at diddy like who is this clown just like dancing around like he did all this shit that is funny

Starting point is 00:25:28 and diddy just knew how to be like this culturally networky guy which now obviously sinister as fuck but you know we can we'll get into his story in a few minutes i want to stay with jay-z but it's interesting that like when you look at jay-z i've heard the same things from people i've i've had people i speak to who like i respect the fuck out of who are like next level people who have been around him in business and they're like dude that guy doesn't fuck around yeah like he's the real deal he listens he doesn't talk he's a decision maker like and you see everything he's spun up. And obviously he's an amazing artist. But, you know, the businesses he spun up out of that, like you said, rags to riches, man. Yeah, because, like, the case, like, essentially that was the thing where, like, you know, people really were, like, starting to, like, think, oh, okay, now we finally have, like, the proof.

Starting point is 00:26:17 Because, like, a lot of, like, because, like, with the anticipation of it, like, a lot of people were, like, not wondering, like, you know, if he was involved. They were wondering what he did. That's what people essentially, like, you know, a lot of people were like not wondering like you know if he was involved they're wondering what he did that's what people essentially like you know a lot of them are thinking because like the only person who really like spoke about like jay-z in a bad way was this woman named jaguar right jaguar right was a woman who was a backup singer for jay-z back in like 2000 and she like she was one of the people who also openly spoke about how terrible like diddy was back in like i want to say 2022 if i'm getting that correctly and i remember like when all the like a lot of people thought like she's crazy like she's wild sex trafficking the fuck diddy that billionaire no way we all know how that turned out and so then like um now people were

Starting point is 00:27:01 like oh she was calling it before. Like she said it with her chest. Okay. Maybe we should like, you know, maybe listen a little bit more. Cause she was in the industry. So I remember she did like multiple interviews and any, like whenever she's asked about Diddy, you'll notice that she almost always goes off track and she starts talking about Jay-Z instead. She's like, Hey, Hey, Hey, Diddy's bad, but wait until the stuff about jay-z comes out because i'm telling you guys right now it's not just diddy jay-z is also a monster and she even tries to make the argument that he's like worse a lot at the same time she tries to like basically say like he's on the same exact level she says that like diddy and jay-z are like peanut butter and jelly they both

Starting point is 00:27:40 go together she said that in like multiple interviews like before the case happened she did an interview with piers mor Morgan where she kind of makes like the point where it's like Harvey Weinstein did he, and like some other people, like, you know, they're linked with Jay-Z both on and off screen. And that interview actually got taken down because the lawyers submitted a

Starting point is 00:27:58 cease and desist because like, you know, they're like, Hey, Hey, like, listen, like,

Starting point is 00:28:01 you know, it's fine. You want to talk trash about us, but like straight up, like saying like lies and stuff like that. Andce morgan had to explain like why it was like an apology video yeah that was like alex that was alex spirit that was jay-z's lawyer right who did uh alex spiro yes alex spirit yeah yeah and like like and like i remember like the day after she just doubled down like she just does not give a fuck like the day like the exact same day she

Starting point is 00:28:20 did another interview yeah and said all the shit. Like basically like still talking about it. But like the thing about Jaguar is that like she also again is not like the most credible person because she's not – to put it nicely, she's not exactly well up there. She falsely accused Common of sexual assault. And she had that whole incident where she threw ashes on people like on an Instagram live stream and then rubbing them on her face. So like I'm not trying to be like insincere to mental illness or anything like that. I'm just saying to put – No, you have to say this. To put like to – it's worth considering and establishing because like that's so far the only person, at least that I'm aware of, that has been so open about these accusations.

Starting point is 00:29:03 I'm glad you said that so I didn't have to. And here's the thing though. A broken clock is right twice a day right that doesn't mean that every single thing she said is wrong however there's also there's like history with her daughter and stuff and some problems there like she's an unwell person vlad tv was a guy who actually said i will not bring her on and anyone who's doing that is taking advantage of an unwell person. Doesn't mean she's wrong about everything, but you do – like you said, you have to take that into account because when you see her talk, she's talking dramatic too. She's like – She's very theatrical. Like the part where she's like, an usher took the Bieber to the diddler.

Starting point is 00:29:45 Does that sound like a nice person to you? And it's like you're watching this and you're like, alright lady, it's not a fucking movie set. She is so dramatic. She's like, NJC is just as bad as the diddler. I love the diddler.

Starting point is 00:30:01 The way she's talking, she definitely has dramatic music playing in her head. She's like as if there's like she definitely has like dramatic music playing in her head and she's like talking to it she's like and cue up the sit and cue up the songs like she had she she's like she's like she's like she's like sure like she's like trying so hard to get an edit made on her honestly like it's so it's like it's so funny because like all these youtubers that make videos on it like they have like all the dramatic music playing it. Like as if she like knew they were going to do it. It's so funny.

Starting point is 00:30:27 It is funny. Yeah. But I mean, look, you got to cover what's said out there. Yeah. Especially when, like I said, it could be, it's probably more broken clock in this way. But on Diddy, like at least some of the things she said was true. It was true. I will go back to it and say, I feel like I should give some context here.

Starting point is 00:30:43 I just want to make sure I don't. Yeah. Don't dox anybody or anything there there was there was one person that i knew very randomly before anyone gave a fuck about me or what i do here who i'll just say i didn't realize it at the time but it rings in my head every single day now. Put me on to exactly what Diddy was doing. And I'm talking this is back in 2017. Wow. And the quote, we were in another – we were talking about something else. Diddy came up.

Starting point is 00:31:17 He had a lot of interactions with him. Not a fan, whatever. And then he dropped – I won't say what it was. He dropped something shocking on me. I was like what and we kind of went back forth on that and then he closed the point but it wasn't about any of this stuff he closed the point by saying i'll put it to you this way when you get invited to go to diddy's house you don't go and so my thought was just oh yeah because of the shit i just heard

Starting point is 00:31:43 which was bad like what he told me before that was bad. And I'm just thinking like, yeah, of course, I'd never hang around that guy either. I wasn't thinking like he was taking like 10-year-olds back there and fucking them with baby oil or anything like that. You know what I mean? Like that didn't go into my head. And now I'm just like when the news dropped about Diddy, I sent that guy a text and I said, it all makes sense now. I started hearing the whispers from other people like two years ago and i started thinking about that quote and i was like son of a bitch and then when it officially

Starting point is 00:32:11 came out i'm like son of a bitch what the fuck it is just so crazy how long it took for things to come out because like when you really think about it like dude like it really was been like 30 years in the making that's been going on well the fact that he like the fact that he got away with it for this long is nothing short of a fucking miracle like in terms like for his miracle no like for him or he's back no like like like what he's backed by somebody oh yeah oh that's a good point actually that's a good point that's a good point like because because like when i read the details it's so many people it's so many people because like he did like all these like weird tactics like obviously you know he was like using the blackmail using the ndas to kill people start at the beginning if we're on this now what just for the investigation

Starting point is 00:32:59 obviously yeah yeah let it rip obviously yeah so like um like what was it because like i remember i did two videos on Diddy. I remember my first video was kind of like the – because it was like when the first stuff came out, right? Like we're talking like the first three or four lawsuits. And like obviously like it was bad. But like now the fact that it only has three or four lawsuits is like a good day for Diddy. You know what I mean? That's insane to think about.

Starting point is 00:33:23 I think he got two the other day. Yeah. I just saw two brand new ones. I don't even know if they report on all of them now. They're like, all right, that's another one. I think they're just done. Like, dude, like the same lawyer that issued, oh, wait, real quick.

Starting point is 00:33:35 I want to summarize the lawsuit with Jay-Z actually because it is important. Okay. Because with like the lawsuit, there's a lot of inconsistencies. This is the most recent one that came out. This is the one of him with the 13-year-old at Diddy in the year 2000. So there's actually a lot of inconsistencies with it.

Starting point is 00:33:50 And that's why, honestly, I genuinely don't think it's legit personally. That's the impression I'm getting. Because essentially the – so this is what she says. She says that she met Jay-Z and Diddy at the 2000 vma september 7th 2000 she claims that she went to the vmas as a 13 year old she got dropped off by her friend like where it was taking place in new york city she tried to get in but she didn't have a ticket so she was talking to multiple like limousine drivers to try and like get in and one of the drivers that she talked to was diddy's and the driver told her and i quote you fit what Diddy looks for

Starting point is 00:34:25 and she's 13 so like you know so yeah and the driver was like I can't get you into the VMAs but I can bring you to the after party and so even better yeah that's probably a thousand times better yeah so like and she's like all right sounds totally fine so like yeah and then she's like and then the driver brings her to like this white house with like with, like, a U-shaped driveway, a fancy place. And she says that she sees multiple celebrities doing certain types of things. You know what I mean? In the driveway? No, no, no.

Starting point is 00:34:51 Like, in the house. That would be crazy. It's like, fuck, you care. You pull up, you just see, like, celebrity X and Y fucking in the driveway. Like, God, what's going on inside? Like, damn. What's happening in the basement? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:35:04 That's crazy. It's hard to see what happens in the bedroom, man. God damn. Jesus Christ. She said she saw multiple celebrities doing multiple substances and she took this and she drank this drink and it must have been drugged because right after she started feeling super woozy. And so she goes into, she goes

Starting point is 00:35:20 down the hallway into this empty bedroom that had no other furniture in it and she's trying to lay down. and then that's when like diddy jay-z and a third unnamed celebrity in the lawsuit enter the room diddy goes up to her with this crazy look in his eyes and says you are ready to party and then like you know brings her up throws her on the wall then picks her up again throws her on the bed and starts doing you know what and then jay-z also starts doing you know what and the third celebrity is watching this basically and that's not a named celebrity it's an unnamed celebrity in the lawsuit yeah so whoever that is it could be

Starting point is 00:35:53 any guesses it could be steven spielberg it'd be obama i have no idea who it is honestly so what a range there yeah where'd that come did he had did he has a range man he seems like this guy has got context on context yeah i saw a quote have you seen have you seen the the actually named celebrities it's a lot of random people it's a lot of random people so i'm not like i'm not explaining anybody in there of like trump like he's a great is he a good guy he's a great guy i love him it's like he was around everybody it's another one he's like around just like you said he's around all these different people you know what and and i've told this on a few podcasts so sorry for people if this is a repeat but there was i still fucking forget to look this up unless you remind me to do this afterwards i heard this second hand from someone i'm pretty

Starting point is 00:36:32 sure it was mike tyson telling this story on his podcast but mike tyson was telling a story about how how like gray area things can be with how things look especially with pictures and context he's like yes i was at this party like a few months ago and these guys they're all there it's very public it's all kinds of like you know pictures and shit and then this guy comes up to me he's like oh my god mike tyson's such a huge fucking fan we talked for like two seconds and then like suddenly there's like a photographer there and he's like oh take a picture he's like, oh, take a picture. I'm like, okay, we'll take a picture. Take the picture. And a week later, these two FBI motherfuckers show up to my house and say, how do you know this man? And they show me the picture. They show him the picture of him like shaking hands with the dude and like with a big smile.

Starting point is 00:37:17 And they're like, how do you know this guy? He goes, I only met that guy at that party. He goes, well, the agents say, well, he just killed like seven people last weekend. So we're going to need to come talk to you. Oh, no. And obviously there was nothing there. And they realized it was just a picture. But point being, when you look at the Epsteins, when you look at the ditties, these people who were around, all these important people or whatever, all they had to do.

Starting point is 00:37:40 Alessi, can you pull up Elon Musk and Ghislaine Maxwell right now? Right, right, right. Because Donald Trump, he's like pictured with that. Dude, all they had to do was just get in a picture with you somewhere. And you are now, even if it's just 0.01%, you are 0.01% stained forever. And people will always ask the question, if we have this picture, just want to put it on the screen. So like this picture, now go to the fourth one alessi see it fourth from that yep she literate this is elon musk look at his body language he's clearly

Starting point is 00:38:11 walking away like towards somewhere else in this party and a cameraman has stopped him and says like oh take a picture and this bitch happens to be right there and she goes and it's like this is all you have to do because now you know most people don't take that that happens to be right there and she goes, I shall just pull up. I'm the smartest man in the world. And it's like, this is all you have to do. Because now, you know, most people don't take that that seriously. But he'll always have to answer the question about that. Yeah. So you see with Diddy, like, all these people. Like, wait, pull up the longer one.

Starting point is 00:38:35 Like, look at his hands. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, you see, like, the body language? Like, literally, like, he doesn't know her. I don't think he knows she's in the picture. Yeah, like, he's clearly does not want he clearly does not want to be photographed like i turn around like wait oh hello but that's you know with diddy like this happens a lot everywhere yes a lot of course yeah like they like they like seeing celebrities

Starting point is 00:38:59 be with celebrities but then but then on top of that like what you're starting to see a little bit now even more than just a picture like lebrron on Instagram Live or whatever it was, and he's like, ain't no party like a Diddy party. Everyone's like, LeBron misses two games. He's probably going to jail from the Diddy party. That's what everyone's talking about. Dude, have you ever seen that clip of Diddy doing a speech? He's looking at some celebrity.

Starting point is 00:39:21 He's like, ain't no party like a Diddy party. Then he starts licking his lips. He's looking at a some celebrities like ain't no part like a diddy party then starts licking his lips like Like he's looking at a juicy big piece of red meat He's like drooling bro like it's so it's so wild dude. Oh my god. Um Okay, but like um Oh, yes Like what the what the story like yes sent you like, you know And like she says it like, you know after Diddy and Jay-Z did like, you know, you know, what's a her Jay-Z?

Starting point is 00:39:44 This is the J they'll go back to the Jay-Z and Diddy lawsuit, the 13-year-old. So basically after that, then she like left the party. Like she was like trying to like get a ride home. So she went like to this gas station like in the middle of the night. An employee like let her use her phone and the dad – like another dad came and picked her up. That's a very important detail because I saw multiple sources like the accuser really like like there were a lot of like inconsistencies point out what this lawsuit for one. The dad says he does not remember picking up her like his daughter in the middle of the night somewhere, because if you look at the details of it, this would have had to been a five hour drive for him to pick her up. And he's like, yeah, I never remember picking up my daughter five hours

Starting point is 00:40:26 away from me in the middle of the night that is definitely something i would remember i'm trying to get paid fuck he's like i don't remember that shit like he like it's like that's something you would remember right and even if it was like 25 years ago and there was like i remember like um one of the celebrities that she named that she talked to his name's Benji Madden. I'm pretty sure he's a musician. I don't know who he is either, but like, he says like, I spoke to Benji Madden at the party and Benji was like, um, I never spoke to anybody. And I wasn't even in New York at that time because I was touring, he was touring in the Midwest and there are receipts to prove that the guy was touring in the Midwest. At least I'm pretty sure like i mean i like i'm like

Starting point is 00:41:05 if i'm not correct on that fact checking me on that but that's at least like what i saw from the sources he was touring in the midwest at that time so he couldn't have been in new york like like and like that's the only celebrity i saw that she claimed that she spoke to and also there is photographic proof that jay-z was at like this one place called like the loftest it's like a nightclub like after party. And the building that he's in does not fit the description of what the girl accuses. Where did she say it was, allegedly? She didn't give an address or anything. She just said it was a white house.

Starting point is 00:41:40 The Loftus. In the city? Must be away from the city, I guess. That's what i'm saying like that that i'm that i'm not sure about but like but the like but the key detail like essentially like you know jay-z if you can look up the loft discs i forget what it looks like it's close to us i think l-o-f-t-u-s yes like a loft it's closed now but jay-z and diddy like i'm pretty sure they were like photographed at this party this jay-z diddy 2000 yeah like not

Starting point is 00:42:06 like not like like 2000 like yeah like post like vma like after party something like that they were photographed at that party and like the building like does not fit the description of like what she claims like you know where this whole thing took place so the question is like okay well i guess like maybe it happened after that or something like that because like you know maybe they're just going up all night just going off to like random parties or something like that i don't know honestly yeah first one alessi the red one and she like and the accuser like admits to like there being inconsistencies in there so it also kind of like raises eyebrows like how consistent could this be it obviously could be like you know a

Starting point is 00:42:43 case of like you know all right like maybe something did happen and she was just 13 years old and drugged and obviously just has a bad memory because of the drugs and from the trauma and and the time like it is it obviously is possible it could be or maybe just maybe she's taking advantage of the obvious public bias against jay-z and trying to get a quick crash cap because like i said again the public was no longer determining if jay-z was involved they were now determining what he did so it's it's like you have to look at like both options here because like maybe he did do some fishy stuff and the details are just really really misconstrued or it's just a cash grab yeah it exists and these are so hard to talk about too because you don't want to be like let's say you called a cash grab and then it turns out to be right. You feel awful because you're like, oh my god.

Starting point is 00:43:28 I didn't believe a poor girl who had horrible things happen to her. They're so serious accusations too. It's very serious. Like I get uncomfortable talking about it. But at the same time, think about like the Me Too movement and what happened. Right. Legitimate accusations came out right in many cases to start that thing and because it became a social phenomenon that involved also a lot of

Starting point is 00:43:50 powerful people that became an economic incentive for it and so you had a lot of quote-unquote as would turn out hangers-on try to get in there and get a payday and what they've done is is poison the well for the future for people and kids especially who are abused because then they come out and make a claim and people are like, oh, is this going to be another one? Like Boy Who Cried Wolf. Yeah. And it makes me so upset because especially when we give them big attention and they turn

Starting point is 00:44:17 out to be fake, it's like you don't know what to root for because if it's real, then these people are horrible and it's like – that's a – and like you said earlier, it means there's more victims. That's a horrible thing to root for because if if it's real then these people are horrible and it's like that's a hard and that like you said earlier it means there's more victims that's a horrible thing to root for if it's fake also now we have another example of a major news story that required like jay-z to respond publicly which is not something he does a lot of no you know and it turns out to be bullshit yeah like it's because like obviously like that was also a big role that played with the ditty stuff because like a lot of people they were scared to come forward for that exact reason because of like his connections because of like the like you know like possibly it being proved wrong because of all the legal repercussions of violating the ndas and everything like that there was a lot of stuff like it was so strategic in

Starting point is 00:44:57 the most fucked up way possible for there to be no people coming forward like if cassie like his ex-girlfriend never made that first lawsuit he'd probably still be getting away with it it would still be going on why why do you think that is it just because people are afraid of the power yes yes they're very afraid he has blackmail he had blackmailed all the people that he was doing this weird shit to he had he had dirt on everybody he did this strategically because he knew that people would try and come forward he knew that what he's doing was fucked up he knew exactly what was going on and because he knew that people would try and come forward. He knew that what he's doing was fucked up. He knew exactly what was going on. And he made sure that people wouldn't come forward. And it worked for 30 years.

Starting point is 00:45:31 It was successful to some extent because clearly, like, he was getting away with it for so long. There are hundreds, possibly even thousands of victims. There are 120 lost for a fucking reason. These aren't false accusations at this point. Maybe one out of the thousands may be just a quick cash grab. But that's one out of thousands. That's right. It's just a different, like, level of, like, this weird strategy.

Starting point is 00:45:54 Like, it's just so fucked up. Like, it was a complete conspiracy. He was working with a lot of people. There was a team that was helping with this because it's more than just Diddy. Like, I talk about, like, in my video, like, I talk about how, like talk about how like one of his like personal assistants like um i forget i i don't know what that mic in just a bit yeah sorry so like like um just the syracuse basketball player or no well no well no that is one someone but it was like this yeah he was like his drug mule and his drug buddy or something yeah his drug mule like uh but there's another person who but there's another

Starting point is 00:46:23 person who i'd say legally allegedly like worked with him like essentially like she was the galene maxwell too with jeffrey epstein essentially who was this guys if you're still watching this video and you haven't yet hit that subscribe button please take two seconds and go hit it right now thank you it's um i forget the exact i think like head of staff or something like that i forget the exact name of her job but she was like obviously like she's not as like well known because like she's not a celebrity that's why she's not known she was one of the people who essentially like running the empire she was the one who was assigning people like the syracuse basketball player to do the drugs she was the one who was like you know assisting like you know his son to like you

Starting point is 00:46:59 know give the drugs everything she was one of the people who was in charge of like giving the drugs getting the sex workers getting the underage minors getting all this type of stuff there was a team involved with this type of thing it's not just diddy and like his son was also like doing a lot of this shit too what do we know about his sons his son was definitely one of the people who was also involved with like getting the drugs and like uh like getting like the prostitutes like the ghp like the what's ghp the date rape drugs oh yeah. Like, getting, like, substances. Like, he definitely, like, you know, was, like, one of the people, like, getting involved with all of that. He had the Costco card.

Starting point is 00:47:31 He had the Costco card. He was the one holding that. He had the Costco card and everything, yeah. Like, literally. Or Costco. Catching some fucking strays. Yeah. They're like, yo, wasn't us.

Starting point is 00:47:39 Yeah, no. Like, they comes in like, ugh, we gotta work overtime. Bring in the oil. Come on. Bring in the stash. Get the truck. in like, oh, we got to work overtime. Bring in the oil. Come on. Bring in the stash. Get the truck. Beep, beep, beep. Like, literally, like.

Starting point is 00:47:51 They have to make a statement on that, right? Yeah, yeah. Costco came out and said, we literally don't carry this brand. And they don't. Like, the lawyer is, like, stupid as fuck. Because, like, that would have been a good. He's not working with much. I got to give him that.

Starting point is 00:48:04 He's not working with much. gotta give him that he's not working with but god damn it bro like you could have searched it in the costco website like baby oil you would have seen nothing like literally he calls up daddy listen it's like the juice he got gave it all we had by the way thanks for the bill you're going away for life i love that video so much bad news they gave you life good news we got your payment buddy sayonara oh my god dude drewski actually could be like an oscar-winning actor i'm not even joking he's so good he is like i like i i like he will be he like i unironically believe he could win an oscar like i seriously like think he's like goaded he's so funny he's got the the expressions that he just does so naturally like you know it's fake like when he does like the fake record label

Starting point is 00:48:52 thing or whatever and you feel like it's real yeah like he's that good and he's he's got the thing he plays every role so well even though he's like kind of like playing himself in a way you know what i mean like he's like like he's like you know like playing himself in a way, you know what I mean? Like he's like like he's like, you know what I mean? Like it's so funny cuz like he doesn't even change his persona that much but like what do you like? He somehow it somehow fits like a glove like a body language. Yeah You feel like that's a real prison and he's really getting out. Did you see his skit where he was like making fun of the fresh and fit people? He posted yesterday.

Starting point is 00:49:31 Yes, with the spray on hair. Oh my God. He's on the podcast like, yeah, she's a cook. Clean. Suck my dick every 10 seconds. If not, she out of here, baby. I'm looking for a new one. I'm replacing her.

Starting point is 00:49:43 And then like, dude, and it was so because because they did because the actual podcast did exactly what he was trying to go for they fell for the bait and then myron made like a 30 minute rant being like this fat guy gets no bitches what he doing what he's too scared to come on here because he's afraid to lose brands like no he's smart what the fuck you talking about like i'm pretty sure he does okay he he's like he he was on the forbes list of like highest earning creators so he's smart what the fuck you talking about like i'm pretty sure he does okay he he's like he he was on the forbes list of like highest earning creators so he's doing great i have like i honestly don't know how he actually makes like so much money though i'm gonna be completely honest with you what because it's just like these tweet videos and yeah like i actually brand in them

Starting point is 00:50:18 yeah because like i always like because i know he's sponsored by happy dad but he was like making money before that so it's like all right like, but he was, like, making money before that. So it's like, all right, like, what is he, like, doing? He's being paid by Diddy. He was with Diddy in the video. He was with Diddy. He was at Diddy's house. I know, but it's the same thing with Mike Tyson, obviously. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 00:50:36 It's, like, out of context. It's out of context. Because I remember he actually, I remember he went on tour with J. Cole. He did, like, stand-up opening for that tour. He did stand-up? He did, like, stand-up opening for that tour he did stand up he did he did like stand-up opening tour he like he like i don't think he does like stand up frequently but he did like like comedy like opening like routine for like um like uh j cole's tour when he went yeah i think it was like

Starting point is 00:50:55 on tour with like 21 savage and like uh moray who's like is like art there's like one of the artists he has signed or something they need they need to make his tsa video into a short film that will win that was amazing the tsa video was the rhyme he's like put the oh fuck what was it there he had some hilarious rhymes and they're like that we have all seen that exact human being yeah at tsa yeah down to the size of his shirt and the two tight buttons and shit he had this one you know the 4x skit he did like a 4x skit no so it was like when 4x you know how that was like a big thing at one point and he was just recreating that whole thing and if you there's like an original video that you can go back and check and it's the the exact same but with like the best comedy like you'll ever see

Starting point is 00:51:42 he nailed it like you could watch the original video with drewski skit and it's like the funniest thing ever he's really he is so talented dude he is one of the videos that made me die of laughter like uh like like are you familiar with playboy cardi and like his fan base like i'm not familiar with this i know playboy cardi his fan base a lot of his a lot of his like fan base like uh like like, uh, like, as of, like, now, they dress very, uh, like, interesting. Like, they have, like, a very, like, they dress, like, it's very, like, like, uh, flamboyant goth shit that they wear.

Starting point is 00:52:11 You know what I mean? It's kind of, like, it's, like, it's, like, designer goth, essentially, what they wear. Like, what's his face? Philly, Philly, yeah, Lil Uzi Vertical. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Lil Uzi Vertical. I call him Vertical. Vertical. That is so funny. Uh, like, yeah, like, kind of, like, Lil Uzi Vertical, yeah, they basically dress a lot, like, but, like, a lot more, like, gothic black, like, like, the most outrageous shit you could, like, see.

Starting point is 00:52:30 And he made this fucking phenomenal, like, literally, like, pure cinema video, like, making fun of them. Like, literally, he got, like, his white trash voice. And it's, like, in the style of, like, those, like, TikTokers, like, interview people, like, like, what's your fit, like, how much it costs. And, like, he does, like, the perfect white guy, like, yeah, like, like, what's your fit, like, how much it costs, and, like, he does, like, the perfect white guy, like, yeah, like, I'm rocking Balenciaga, like, this right here is Gucci, that's right here, Prada, like, Prada, like, and, and he's, like, asking him, like, how much did it cost, like, oh, it cost, maybe, like,

Starting point is 00:52:55 two, three grand, and it's, like, literally the trashiest fucking clothes you can ever think of, and the best part is that it looks so similar to the actual outfits he's making fun of, it's literally so spot on, and the, the best part is when he's, like, posing for the pictures, because, like, they, they always pose with the weirdest shit, like, like, literally, like, because they always pose so weird, like, he has, like, an umbrella, and he's, like, and he's, like like literally making fun of them And like he has like a wild song playing in the background It's so fucking accurate, it's so funny

Starting point is 00:53:32 Drewski and Dave Chappelle have the greatest white man voices Like making fun of white guys as black guys I've ever heard in my life The Drewski frat boy video Where he's like going back They nail it every time we've all known that guy everyone knows that guy it's like dude like these guys like they must have like dude like they're like reincarnations like must be like still like living inside of them because like they must have like they like the way they do it it's like you have to have been like

Starting point is 00:53:58 like that type you must have like actually have that person like living inside of you or something seriously like like i don't know how he gets it to be so accurate like i don't know if it's just natural talent or if he just like knows a lot of people like i like how he does it some people are just really good imitators and just in general not just the voice and everything but you know the way that people move and stuff like that and whatever that is he's got it he's got it 100 like i i i like i no joke like not joking he can win an oscar he can be like literally how he's not been like casted in like movies or tv shows that's coming like he like it had like how it hasn't happened yet it's like beyond me it's kind of i mean it's and also with a lot of these guys i can't speak to i don't know drew's guy i

Starting point is 00:54:41 don't know people around him but with a lot of them as they come up and you know they get the team around them and everything there's a very planned like takeoff if you will so you know they're like well we're gonna build you out this way and that way I just hope like he stays you know himself and you know doing what what got him here to this point because he's great but sorry we got off this yeah we were talking about how the he had the lady who was like like, his Ghislaine Maxwell. Yes, the Ghislaine to his Maxwell who essentially, like, I forget. The Ghislaine to his Maxwell. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:55:10 That's a bar. Or the Ghislaine to his Maxwell. I like that one, yeah. Yeah, like. No, the Ghislaine to his Epstein. Yeah, like, that's, like, essentially. Because, like, that's, like, essentially what it was. Like, she allegedly, again, like, basically was basically was like one of the people who was like really like assisting with the logistics of like all of this type of shit.

Starting point is 00:55:30 Because like I know she like worked with Diddy for like his like regular business stuff. But also like worked a lot like, you know, with like the like, you know, off the clock after party shit essentially. Like she was the one who like they would like make sure like, you know, all of like Diddy's like, you know, personal workers like his clean as like a chef had like drugs ready on deck and like on them yeah on them this way like you know just kind of like just like ready to pop like how do we know this like she like it's in the law it's in a lawsuit like it's in a it's in like the lawsuit like i got like a lot of my information from a lawsuit because like i was like rereading it for like a lot of stuff i was like a lot of people didn't include like a lot of these like insane details yeah there's like so much shit that like came forward because like um it's a producer by the name of little rod like he that was like the fourth lawsuit that came earlier this year where essentially he

Starting point is 00:56:14 like you know like he worked with diddy on like his latest album the love album he like you know on top of like recent yeah like like 2022 yeah like 2020 like his like latest album um which was not that good um like basically he's kicking dirt on the guy i said it before like he definitely bribed like the grammys like to give him a nomination wait he got it he did not get a nomination for that no he did before before no he did look it up look it up did he got nominated for a grammy because it was in the r&b section and it was a dead genre so they just gave it to the most like we're so good you know he didn't he didn't attend the grammys because of like the uh of the of the whole controversy what controversy because because it is because like it was nominated before

Starting point is 00:56:58 like all the stuff came out but then like when the actual award show was happening oh it was coming out yeah then like it was coming yeah show was happening, it was coming out. Yeah. Then like it was coming. Yeah. This was a 2023 album. Yeah. This, uh, 2020,

Starting point is 00:57:08 2022. I want to say, yeah, yeah. It had to be 2023 going into 2024. Cause if, if he's, if this didn't come out till this year.

Starting point is 00:57:17 Oh wait. Yeah. Yeah. You're right. You're right. You're right. Um, yeah.

Starting point is 00:57:20 Sorry. I got my timeline mixed up. Um, yeah. Cause like, cause like, like while I was doing the duty stuff, like a lot of my content just changed like so rapidly so that's why like a lot

Starting point is 00:57:27 of the timelines like just offer me um that's crazy though yeah because like the first one yeah because like yeah because the first lawsuit i think was like october like 2023 i want to say yeah something like like around like a little over a year ago around like a year ago because like it was like because like like because like once like one came out then like a bunch like came out it was like it was like three and like within like a month and then like and then like the little rod one came like two months after that that was like the big baller one that was like really like opening up the conversation what did he say like little rod essentially like there's a lot with that one let's roll through it yeah there's a lot there's a lot okay so from his

Starting point is 00:58:03 personal experience he was like a producer so he was a producer for the love album he did not get paid which i think actually was ironically the thing that sparked this whole thing i think that pissed him off the most always pay the people bro yeah i think if he actually paid little rod i think like none of this like also would have been coming out which is hilarious enough um like essentially he acute like that like like because um cassie like started the freak off conversation which was the first one but little rod got more detailed with it essentially he was the one who really like like got like a lot more like into the nitty-gritty like details

Starting point is 00:58:35 of like all the shit going on like with diddy basically and his stuff wasn't taken that seriously at first either like even like because like a lot of people are seeing this like without context and they're just like oh like you know did know these messed up but like this stuff is a little wild then all the other shit came out so essentially like it's more like it's like with the freak offs and also like like conspiring like with the labels and everything to like keep like a lot of like the illegal shit going because a lot of these like freak offs they were happening on like a lot of these like album like release parties and like listening parties and stuff like that that were hosted by these big labels like essentially there and like listening parties and stuff like that that were hosted by these big labels.

Starting point is 00:59:05 Like essentially there were like – like he accused like record label presidents of being at these parties. Like the president of like UMG, Universal Music Group. Lucian Grange? Yes. I think that's his name. Like essentially like Universal Music Group, which is like the biggest record label like ever. It's like literally the studio that owns like all the music. Yeah, you know who was saying his name in 2022 which is, like, the biggest record label, like, ever. It's, like, literally the studio that owns, like, all the music. Yeah, you know who was saying his name in 2022?

Starting point is 00:59:28 Who? Proud and proud. Who? Kanye. Really? He was, like, he was saying Lucy and Grainy. When does fast grocery delivery through Instacart matter most? When your famous grainy mustard potato salad isn't so famous without the grainy mustard.

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Starting point is 01:00:03 Loudly. Really? Drake's taking some shots at them with this whole new beef coming on, and now he's suing them. Yeah, he's also a huge Drake fan. I love Drake. I love Kendrick, so it makes it a little awkward. That's okay. I don't get in the middle of the beefs.

Starting point is 01:00:17 He's still sexy, so it's okay. So Lucy and Grange is allegedly at these parties? Allegedly at these parties or allegedly at these parties yeah and like it was also another i think it was um president of another record label i believe called motown records i believe that's the name of it and like president like uh essentially they were allegedly at these parties and they like knew what did he was doing essentially like that's like what says in the lawsuit and like obviously like you know that kind of like and like you know it's like if they like knew about this like you know like what else like were they possibly doing were they like funding a

Starting point is 01:00:46 lot like they're like funding like a lot of these events like where these things were taking place because like a lot of these like parties where the freakouts take place essentially like what did he did is that like you know a lot of the guests that come in are people that are hoping to get into the industry a lot of the people like there's one interview um are you familiar with the channel soft white underbelly of course mark light did you did you watch the video of the woman who shared about her night at the dinner what video you're talking about i haven't watched this on my watch later playlist so i watched it yeah like i watched it actually recently because like i was just getting like i took a little bit of a time because like i just got so sick of hearing about all the details

Starting point is 01:01:19 and everything because it's just so fucking gross but like they kind of like but basically like this woman like she gives a little bit more details at least like but the important part is that like you know one of the reasons why she went there was because like uh an affiliate of ditties was like you know inviting her because like with the promise of getting involved in the music industry she was encouraged to go because she obviously had aspirations to become a musician to get involved in some type of way that's a lot of the people that are you know going to these diddy parties because you know they want to be connected with the big boss being diddy is the same guy who you know made notorious big big in the public eye who also is like you know associated with all these like giant acts like usher justin bieber

Starting point is 01:01:59 like he's a billionaire president of bad boy records obviously that's someone you want to have in your contact list that's someone you want to appeal to that's someone you want to you know please even if they're asking you to do some pretty weird stuff that's how a lot of these people get drawn into these parties essentially and a lot of these parties obviously you know hosted by like you know the umg motown records because like you know god knows how maybe that's even how a lot of like these big stars are also created too who knows like it's also the conspiracy with like justin bieber and everything like that yeah yeah and and i and i do want to say this those videos look sinister uh yeah they look they look very sinister i want to be careful with when we are you know throwing people in the middle of it because you know he he's a person

Starting point is 01:02:47 and right that's you don't you don't know obviously it looks bad i think like the whole guardianship thing that's a real thing it it looks bad and like i i'm a huge fan of justin bieber as a guy i'm so impressed that the dude's alive yeah he's got the wife he's got the kid right you know he seems to have some some peace with himself like i know a lot of horrible shit besides this had to happen to him i can't imagine what it would be like to have every fucking person grabbing me you know when i'm 11 12 13 years old so gross you know what i mean and and that's just literally going when you're going through crowds and every 13 to 17-year-old girl is grabbing you or whatever like you're a fucking object, of course it's going to be tough to come through that and he seems to have done that. And so when we're talking about this, if something did happen there and he wants to come out and talk about that, that's his right to do it. I just want to be careful about – especially because a lot of these cases we're talking about, it's an unnamed person.

Starting point is 01:03:44 So we can talk about it, right know we the internet likes to throw people in the middle of all these things and even if it is like a celebrity or something they're they're still a person it's like the worst thing ever and i would never wish that for anybody no like i i definitely think um the beavers and uh the the beaver believer and uh usher victims honestly i think like because i know a lot of people like um think of usher as like a bad person for the affiliation i genuinely see that man as more of a victim in all honesty and i'm not saying like like obviously opinions are opinions like i'm not really sure of like how involved he is in like a lot of these parties but like considering like a

Starting point is 01:04:20 lot of like the history and everything because like he talked about how he was like at these parties when he was extremely young 13 that's disgusting that is you've seen howard stern sit down yeah i included that in my video like literally like that was like like you know what i mean like he's like he's like you know like hey i'm not gonna say what happened in there i saw a lot of interesting things man a lot of interesting things and like you know he says like i don't know if i was young enough to indulge in all that like bro like jesus christ like it's it's so fucked up like like i see that man like that's a victim in my opinion and that and yeah and then extrapolating that you know because he's the guy who found bieber right right and if and if there

Starting point is 01:05:00 were nefarious things there the the victim becomes the, you know. Exactly. And that's a pattern we actually saw with some of the girls around Epstein who started clearly. Like that girl, I think her name is Sarah Maxwell. She was probably a victim to start if you think about. I hope I'm getting that one right. Correct me in the comments if it was someone else there, people. But it's been a while.

Starting point is 01:05:24 But like and then she or not Sarahah maxwell it's sarah something else she married she married vickers the the nascar driver but anyway she ended up becoming one of the people providing the girls and to me actually glenn maxwell is another one glenn maxwell glenn maxwell is so fucked up there is a got off too easy dude there is a strong there is strong evidence not necessarily like pictures and video proof but evidence to to show that her father did unspeakable things to her growing up and made her this person it doesn't change the fact that she then became that person and like again we're talking about people that we don't know for sure or no accusations credibly have been made but like i fucking love the 8701

Starting point is 01:06:12 album i came up on usher but i would have a ton of empathy for what happened to him as a kid but if that stuff would be with bieber actually were a thing you know that's horrible but i say yeah yeah but again i want to be yeah you know and that's no that's a like i definitely i completely 100 also agree because like when i say like i see us as a victim i mean like obviously like in the timeline of that scope because like obviously it's it's a different story if he does some of those same exact actions you know what i mean different story so i don't like i'm not really sure of the extent of that to be honest so like i'm not really going to comment too much on it but in terms of like that timeline when he was younger he was a victim like that is disgusting that is disgusting and that's

Starting point is 01:06:54 just one of like the who knows how many people like you know how many people he did this to that didn't become superstars that didn didn't even become famous. Just people like he had. Like, remember when the 120 cases came all out at once? Remember Tony Busby? Oh, yes, yes, yes. Remember, like, he talked about, like, you know, how the youngest one was nine years old at the time? Nine. Nine. Nine.

Starting point is 01:07:20 Nine years old. And he says, like, the story of that is essentially very similar to like you know everyone else it's people who were hoping to get into the music industry that are being taken advantage of that's a lot of these people you know that's how it is it's like it's literally just like you know the harvey weinstein story repackaged and retold over so many times like the story of like the big time music producer that can promise you a lifelong filling career and then tells you to take off your pants it's a story as old as time it is you know what i mean and this is just easily one of like the most fucked up and darkest versions

Starting point is 01:07:55 of it we were talking about this i believe right as we came on camera in another context but this does have to be said i i'm so grateful I had great parents because when we talk about these stories of these kids, especially when they're like 12 or 13, like Usher was like 13. Yeah. I don't know anything about his parents. I don't think I've ever Googled that or whatever,

Starting point is 01:08:16 but where the fuck were they? Right. Good question. You're going to let your kid go be owned, whatever the, I forget the term right now. Be guardianed by a dude at the time who is an adult male with – Diddy in this case – with gang affiliations who was just part of a fucking at the time East Coast, West Coast hip-hop beat that ended with the two greatest rappers to ever live being murdered. You're going to go let your kid – forget all the shit that ended up happening and what he exposed him to even before you you're gonna go let your kid hang out with that so that's a good so he can get a record deal like where the fuck as a parent you know i haven't had a kid yet right and and i've

Starting point is 01:09:02 heard from everyone and and i can it. Like it changes your life. But something happens there where that child comes out and you're like you would die for that kid. And if you're a normal person and you want to protect them at all costs, sometimes too much so. But when it's the total opposite of that and you leave them open to something like this, that's the unspoken of tragedy in here. And it's a story, just like you said with Weinstein, like Weinstein, however the fuck you say it, it's a story we see over and over and over again. We see it on social media now with people chasing clout.

Starting point is 01:09:36 We'll talk about that later. And it makes me sick. And shout out to all the parents out there who wouldn't put their kids in this position because I know there's a lot more of them than this type. Completely agree. Like, it makes me like, like, honestly, I didn't even think about that, honestly. Like, honestly, like, where the hell are these parents?

Starting point is 01:09:53 Like, like, where, like, where does. They want the money. That's, that's what it probably comes down to. Obviously. The opportunity, the clout. Because you see the rich guy in the industry who you probably don't really know that much about. And obviously you want a payday that's how like a lot like one of the videos i actually talk about is janet mccurdy who essentially was like one of the people who was like you know forced into the industry

Starting point is 01:10:12 she never wanted to be a child actress why do i know that name i carly oh oh this girl yeah this was a whole story this is i i tell the story like um like essentially how she was forced into the industry by her mom jeanette never had any interest to become an actress whatsoever she hated she hated acting she never had any interest in it but her mom her mom was the one who wanted to be an actress and obviously that never really happened like she always felt like she was entitled to the glitz and glamour the celebrity lifestyle the riches the fame the whole the whole shebang and she never did it and she always resented like you know her parents for not supporting her and always resented like her husband for not supporting it you know

Starting point is 01:10:55 even though like it's not obviously their fault and like she and like you know like when she was like dying of cancer like she you know like kind like, pressured Jeanette and kind of, like, forced her to become, like, an actress, basically. Like, she, like, you know, constantly brought her, like, you know, to, like, auditions and everything. It started with, like, small roles. And then they somehow got her, like, on iCarly. And she hated every fucking second of it. She hated every second of it. She became anorexic.

Starting point is 01:11:24 She developed all these horrible mental issues. And she didn't even, like, realize how bad she hated acting until after her mom passed away. Because it wasn't until, like, you know the reboot, Sam and Cat?

Starting point is 01:11:38 That came after? Okay, well, there were... Ariana Grande, right? Yeah, like, it's a show she did. Do you know the show, Victorious? That was on Nickelodeon? Okay. But you're talking to i carly was on nickelodeon i call it was on this is the dan schneider era that's a dance should be also oh yeah oh man oh man yeah we got a lot of shit but yeah like um like uh basically but like i like uh because like

Starting point is 01:11:58 victorious was another like popular show kind of like like very popular like in the i carly like era as well and there was a spinoff like uh with like one character from Victorious and Jeanette McCurdy from iCarly and this was around the time when her mom died and around this time Jeanette became a raging alcoholic like she was anorexic alcoholic and she was just an absolute mess and you didn't see that while the show was going on it only lasted for one season for a reason. Like, it was a lot of weird stuff. And, like, because, like, what sucks is that, like, you know, a lot of people, like, you know, when she had this whole downfall and everything, people were like, oh, another child star off the rail.

Starting point is 01:12:37 No, she never wanted to be. Like, it wasn't the same as, like, a lot of other people. Because a lot of these, like, kids, like, they did want to become, like, an actor or actress. They did want to be, like, they did want to be famous and everything an actor or actress they did want to be like they did want to be famous and everything jeanette just didn't want she didn't want any of it she was forced to do it like she was a little like like like literally it was completely against her will and it just had a horrible effect on her a horrible effect on her it wasn't until like after her mom passed away that she actually was like wait a minute i hate doing this like i hate doing this only because my mom made me do this i

Starting point is 01:13:04 want to do it i'm gonna stop this her mom died of cancer her mom like her mom was kind of like uh was like on and off like the kind of like cancer like deaths like a spiral for like a while because like it seemed like like things were getting like bad then they got a little better then they got bad like uh i like i forget like didn't she make the book um what is she made a book yeah her her autobiography is literally titled i'm glad my mom died and it was when like it was it was the inspiration for the video and it's kind of like when everyone was like oh man we judged her like horribly and it's also just because like she wanted to be a writer and in the most ironic way possible she ended up

Starting point is 01:13:42 becoming a writer and it's a note, it's a phenomenal book. Like, it's just really well made. Yeah, I'd love to have her on. It's coming back. I didn't realize that was her name. I couldn't remember that. I should have placed that. But I followed the story when this was coming out.

Starting point is 01:13:54 Right. And I didn't watch that show or anything. I'm familiar with it. But this is – these stories have to get more light because these kids when they act out that's why maybe I should be more fair to that Jack Dougherty kid by the way but when they act out it's because

Starting point is 01:14:13 they're put in a position that's totally unnatural right like I wanna I don't wanna use the word regrets but one of the things I kick myself for is that I should have gotten to what I got to now doing what I do a couple years before I did. I kind of, you know, kicked around, tried to find myself, shit like that. And that said, I would have been old enough then, so it would have been fine.

Starting point is 01:14:37 But I say that the reason I'm overall okay with it is because I'm very glad that, you know, whatever this talent is I have that allows me to do this, I'm very glad that I didn't tap into monetizing it and trying to do it as a career when I was 18. And I'm also glad I didn't do it when I was 22, because I was still a fucking moron. I was a moron when I was 24. I was a late bloomer, okay? And I know now, with the benefit of hindsight, that's the only way you can know about how stupid my decision making was at every level at those points because my brain is not fully developed at the time. It might function at a decently high level, but as far as like being an adult and being like, I should do this or I shouldn't do that, it's not there. Now put that on a kid who's put on a – let's say they're 11, 12 years old. They become an actor.

Starting point is 01:15:24 They're put on an insane schedule that includes homeschooling not being around normal social environments they're forced to act and told what their lines are they're carted from this place to that place everyone outside the studio looks at them as a fan oh my god i love you whatever their parents in this case are rooting the whole thing on monetizing on the back end and they become their own personal little business while their brains are trying to grow up in the middle of this. Right. I can't, I'm amazed they're all, like, a lot of them that aren't dead, aren't dead. Right.

Starting point is 01:15:53 I can't imagine it. No, seriously, because, like, that essentially, like, with Jeanette McCurdy, the mom basically, like, just made that her full-time job. Like, that, because it also, like, added to the pressure of it, because, like, Jeanette, like, you know, unlike a lot of these, like like child actors who kind of like come from like really good homes like jeanette came from absolute shit like absolute fucking shit like literally like house is like a mess they're in like they're in like the absolute gutters of california like seriously so i put more pressure to do this because like quite frankly like you know her like you know income was like

Starting point is 01:16:24 the main income for the family at that point you know what i mean she had multiple siblings had like a dad you know who was like having trouble finding work the mom didn't do like jack shit other than like you know basically exploit her kid like so that kind of like added to the pressure of like having to do this job it's it's it's so fucked up because like again like you know you're like making like you know your kids your business on one like honestly it's just like up because, like, again, like, you know, you're making, like, you know, your kids your business. I want, like, honestly, it's just like, like, no matter, like, under any context, that's just weird regardless. I mean, it's so weird, like, no matter what context it is. And also, you know, like, while the kids are, like, you know, fully developing their frontal lobe and everything, it's just, like, also, it's just wild because, like, you know, you got to, like, let people, like, you know, grow and let them make their own decisions and everything because they can't process what's going on absolutely

Starting point is 01:17:07 like you know like you don't know like what's gonna like you don't know what's gonna happen so i'm also kind of glad like you know my family like also like my parents like never did anything like that to me honestly because i i also because i loved like you know acting i did a lot of acting when i was younger but i'm glad i was able to do like you know my own thing in my own space and like let me grow like privately before like i really went into like the creative space as well you mentioned kind of like uh that's great you're glad that like you know you my own thing in my own space and, like, let me grow, like, privately before, like, I really went into, like, the creative space as well. You mentioned kind of, like, you're glad that, like, you know, you didn't start, like, out super young. Like, I remember, like, I started doing content when I was, like, 19.

Starting point is 01:17:33 And if you, like, look at my TikToks, man, like, there's a lot of fucked up shit on there, man. I wouldn't have wanted to do that. Yeah, like, not, like, that bad. Not, like, stuff that, like, you know, is, like, completely awful. But, like, you know, I cringe, like, cringe like so bad at like all my old jokes, man. Like I cringe at it so bad. Join the club.

Starting point is 01:17:47 Yeah. You just did it publicly. That's the difference. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I'm going to have to live with that. But like, you know, it's fine. You did acting when you were younger though? Yeah, I did.

Starting point is 01:17:55 Like not like anything professional, professional. I did like a lot of like theater when I was like younger. Like I was like, I was kind of like, I was like a theater kid per se. But I did like theater because it was like. I was the cool theater guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I smoked weed and drank.

Starting point is 01:18:09 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh my god. Yeah, like literally like – but yeah, I did like theater when I was like younger because like it was kind of like the only like acting outlet I really had like at the time because i always like wanted to start like a youtube channel when i was like younger but i never really like did it or until like any type of content until i maybe like turned like 19 because i just like didn't know like how to start honestly i just like never really like knew like how to do it or like what to do like i had like i just like never i just never knew like i always like excelled at like do like i loved doing like class presentations and everything like that like i like a lot of people hated those i fucking loved doing those i always loved going

Starting point is 01:18:49 above and beyond and putting on a fucking spectacle like it was like literally like yeah no i'm so serious like i love like it was like the highlight of like my time like i i just enjoyed doing i love presenting so like i i always kind of had like a feeling i wanted to do like entertainment to some extent i just never knew like how or what I wanted to do. And even then I'm still like trying to figure shit out. Like I still like – like I do like a lot of these YouTube stuff. Like this could all change in like a year. Like you watch like my content.

Starting point is 01:19:13 I have an identity crisis like every fucking month. Like it is like so – We're just talking about it on the way on here. Yeah. No, seriously. We were literally like talking about all the different stuff like to possibly do. Like I am constantly trying to like do different things like all the time well the one thing and that's great yeah like because obviously you're a multi-talented guy it's coming it's coming through in a lot of

Starting point is 01:19:32 different ways but like you know if you had like let's put a round number on it if you have five different very different types of talents and entertainment that you want to do stay with what you're doing to build on what you have right now. Cause the talents there, the qualities there, the growth is there. The need is there to tell these stories, get them investigated.

Starting point is 01:19:53 Like it's, you're adding value for people. That's big. It's like we talked about earlier. It's not a commodity. And then let that be able to branch off to where you have the options to do all these other things. Like if I could go back to when I was 23 24 where you are and even look at before i figured this stuff

Starting point is 01:20:10 out and look at all the things i did i would have said just focus on one thing you know what i mean right that's really great with one thing before you branch right that's a good point that's a very good point that's that's also what we're trying to do obviously i don't want to switch things up like too radically obviously you know what i mean like i'm trying like obviously stick with like what i'm good at right now and obviously you know like capitalize like what we're going because like it's still a good thing we got going on you know what i mean yes like we're less than 12 months into long form yeah and you're killing which is crazy because the numbers are insane and the quality is insane so that's that's great and like like i was saying earlier your storytelling

Starting point is 01:20:43 is is what really sets you apart the way you organize it the scripting is phenomenal thank you that's what that's like the main thing we try like that's like that's what like the main thing i'm like trying to improve on honestly i kind of like trying to figure out because like i like i really think there's like so much like importance on like the storytelling aspect of it like that really is like the essential part of it because like the editing is like a good aspect of it. But like, you know, I like I was like I like the good editing, but I don't really want things to be so over the top like fancy that takes away from the storytelling or takes away from my personality in any type of way. I agree 100 percent. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:21:17 And there's there's kind of a pendulum swing back towards people wanting rather than all the retention hacks of like don't mean i don't mean people want to be able to just sit with things more and and that's that i think that's a good thing but you know speaking of people who maybe try to do too many things you've made a bunch of videos now on mr beast who obviously is like the biggest youtuber in the world and everything you've gone back and forth on you on opinions vis-a-vis that. I've followed Jimmy's career now for the last probably five years or so. He does something very different than what I do. He's also like crazy young, which is like very nice.

Starting point is 01:21:57 He's only like two years older than me. Yeah. So you look at the accomplishments. You look at the talent of what he's done. It's amazing. But I do remember thinking a couple years ago, you look at the accomplishments you look at the talent of what he's done it's amazing but i do remember thinking a couple years ago i had heard from people around him that he was miserable that he he it was just too much and i understood that because looking at it from the outside like the

Starting point is 01:22:16 guy is putting on like a fucking you know grand show every week and you know constantly having to ideize or ideate these things you know and you're i want you to get into like some of the things you found and what sent you back and forth and everything but to me jimmy is an example of especially over the last two and a half years or so he's gone to do a million different things with and then what does that add that adds all kinds of people into all those things people who have problems who talk about around the office people who feel like they're not taking care of whatever and then things slip through the cracks and it seems like

Starting point is 01:22:53 some things right has slipped through the cracks and just so you know up front my takeaway is more like i think jimmy just has too much going on and i hope he kind of realizes like he's already the biggest in the world he can take a chill pill but you know what what did what even got you into into looking into mr beast deeper like why why was there a story there for you so like um so like like so you so you watched it like have you like like how caught up are you like on everything because there's like a lot of shit well let's assume people out there i can i'll give like a decent summary because like so much so i'm trying to give like a good summary that's like efficient good yeah so like obviously like with mr beast like you know he always was kind of like seems like the golden

Starting point is 01:23:34 boy of youtube you know i mean he's the big time like you know he's the hustler and he's the charitable guy you know what i mean which is like you know essentially like what he was like you know he does like these amazing videos that are like you know larger than life these crazy things like blowing up lamborghinis and like you know giving away like million dollars to random people like all these crazy things and also at the same time you know does like all this charity work right has all these like cherries like whether it's in the main videos has like a whole separate like you know philanthropy channel gives away money he's literally like you know you know he gives away money like as if he just shits it out like every day for breakfast you know what i mean like that's what he was and

Starting point is 01:24:08 like criticizing like there was a point in time where like online criticizing mr beast was essentially like taboo so anything bad about him you're like how dare you how dare you say anything he he sucks my dick every day for him like he's so nice he's so nice like like he's so like how dare you talk bad about him how dare you like literally anytime because like because essentially like because it was like anytime like like anytime like anyone said like they had the smallest critiques about him it was always like completely like met with hate it was always met with hate because like obviously no matter how big you are you will always get hate to some type of degree right things changed a couple months ago when one of like his best friends and members of like the mr beast crew kind of was like exposed for talking to kids

Starting point is 01:24:57 essentially chris tyson chris ava ava chris tyson yeah i'm gonna say chris just because like um that's how people that's how people like, and like, from what I've heard, like, uh, she does respond to Chris and goes by Chris. Like she does respond to Chris and it doesn't seem like offensive. So just try Chris in case you didn't feel it. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:25:13 There is now trends. Yeah. Essentially. Yeah. Cause like, obviously like there was a sort of like slow bias against Chris because of the transition. And like there, cause like there,

Starting point is 01:25:23 like a lot of people did not agree with it. Cause people thoughtris was like abandoning like her kid and like a wife when like that actually was not true like chris did not like abandon his kid or her kid like in any type of way so i'm just trying to drive the slope here yeah sorry yeah we're following the community guidelines as best we can apparently they still respond to both so youtube chris like there was no like actual proof chris abandoned their kid or anything but people like already had like a negative bias against chris and then like there was a bunch of stuff that came out where chris actually was like talking and like you know like to like underage like kids like one and there was like photographic proof of chris like meeting up in person with someone who was 16 and another

Starting point is 01:26:04 person like came forward posted the video on twitter, talking about, like, yeah, like, I was in a group chat with Chris. And Chris would send, like, links to porn and send a lot of, like, weird, just, like, sexually, like, innuendo type of stuff. Now, there is no proof that Chris did anything physically with anyone underage. So I just want to make sure we're completely factually accurate here. But a lot of the messages, it's more than just, like, two it's a lot you know what i mean it's a lot of stuff that like when you see it and you read you're like that's a little uncomfortable yeah so there was like a lot of videos being made on it and it was like because like there was just more there's like just a ton of like proof and like one of the group chats got leaked and everything like so people saw like all

Starting point is 01:26:43 the messages there was like a lot of weird stuff essentially so people like you know they were like that's weird and they were like so jimmy like is mr b's real name people like so like did you know like people like did like he know about this stuff like what's the deal like and so a couple days and like you know a couple days like he was pretty silent and you know in terms of like when like when Internet drama is like sparking, that feels like an eternity. Oh, yeah. I mean, like a few days feels like a few years. So eventually Mr. Beast posted a tweet being like, I like, you know, I've been made aware of like all the stuff going on with Chris.

Starting point is 01:27:16 I fired Chris and I'm launching an investigation into the company, an internal investigation into the company, which was kind of like met with like, you know, some like side stuff because people like you know were iffy on like if jimmy knew or not about chris one ex-employee or like uh x like mr b's crew member jake the viking tweeted that jimmy knew and there's another ex-worker who also did he back that up with anything no he just said jimmy knew so obviously you know yeah and he was like and he was like fired from the company so you know it's like you know doesn't mean it's true from the company. So you know it's like – It doesn't mean it's true. It doesn't mean it's false. Yeah, there's no proof or anything.

Starting point is 01:27:49 So obviously – Smoke. But the thing is though is that like that was bad because this was not just – this was like one of Jimmy's best friends, a high member of the crew and someone who literally worked with Jimmy ever since the channel basically started. Like Chris was with Jimmy back when they were filming videos on a shitty smartphone. Yeah. Since the very beginning. One of his best friends. So obviously whether Jimmy knew or not is up in the air. But the thing is though, that was just the beginning of what started, even doing it in the same 24 fucking hours of jimmy posting that tweet an

Starting point is 01:28:26 ex-employee posted an hour-long video an hour-long video titled i work for mr beast he is a fraud where he gets into a bunch of different stuff he doesn't even talk about chris oh i didn't watch this i saw this video though he posted an hour-long video where he accuses jimmy of like faking videos rigging contests hosting fake giveaways hosting illegal lotteries using gambling to market the children a lot of shit a lot of shit and posts like all this like stuff one of the biggest this is dog pack right this is dog pack 404 aka dawson french like essentially like i love internet names yeah oh my god yeah i know this was i was sick with it 21 yeah this that's great this was an this was an employee who worked at mr beast for three weeks

Starting point is 01:29:13 and was fired and essentially like he started a brand new channel posted this video like once i'm low this same fucking day jimmy posted that tweet and this video went stupid fucking viral stupid fucking viral stupid fucking viral we're talking like 15 million views on it and like people were like quick to believe him because he said like i'm not monetizing this video it's just for educational purposes and stuff like that which is true like it's not monetized at all you got a lot of 10 a lot of subscribers from that i'm not well and we'll get into all that too like we're gonna get into like a lot of it like we're gonna get into like a lot of i'm gonna let you finish like uh about to say it like um and and like that was just part

Starting point is 01:29:51 one right an hour long video and so like that was like then that wasn't even like the serious stuff by the way because like obviously he released part two he released part two a week later and this time he got he talked to an ex-employee and an ex-contestant who used to work for Mr. Beast as a writer. He, and like, and he also was in one of Mr. Beast's challenges, and he was in a challenge that was never uploaded because of how horrible it went. So essentially, this employee claims that Jimmy, like, fired him because he wanted, like, to be paid more fairly, but they, like, they were like, no, you want to be paid fairly, you're

Starting point is 01:30:25 fired and he also claims that he was in a challenge that went super wrong because he claims that he was basically being tortured like in the video how so basically so the challenge was the challenge the challenge here's a water board i'm gonna pour this down your throat for 85 seconds oh my fucking god and if you breathe at the end you win five thousand dollars survive challenge that's so fucked um that's so funny jesus christ um like essentially like uh in the what was it it's like in the in like the challenge was like basically you stay like in this room for like 30 days and if you stay there for like 30 days you win like 300 grand there is a version there was a dip like like he did post a actual version that obviously like because the

Starting point is 01:31:15 ex-employee his name is jake weddle and the actual like he did like because jimmy mr beast they actually did post a video of someone doing a challenge like that and it's very very similar to what jake weddle did so essentially he stays like in the room for around like 30 days and it comes with like you know like and like and like part of like the challenge he gets like all of this like stuff like a hot tub like an ice cream machine and like a bed and a pool table and a skateboard and like every single day you know they have to they take something away it's like all right like you know day one do you want to take away the hot tub or like the ice cream machine and he claims that like you know during this time like it was like super torturous because like they would never turn off the lights

Starting point is 01:31:53 and he was like being sleep deprived they would never tell him the time or let him get any sunlight and like you know he made like a joke that this was technically a war crime because it goes against the gene of the convention because you know sleep deprivation is literally against the gene of the convention when if you look at the actual like you know geneva convention like guidelines it's not fitting the war crime definition in the slightest they they took that so badly out of proportion mr beast did a war crime to me that was like the initial rumor but like literally that's like just not like what happened but like we're not being so dramatic yeah again it was bad and he claims that like you know like he like was only there for like 10 days and like how like you know and he claims like yeah like you know they really pressured me to stay in there like the way he

Starting point is 01:32:31 makes it the way he makes it sound sounds sketchy he makes it sound like as if he was like forced to stay and how he's like basically being tortured and the but the big the big bombshell that like they dropped in that video is that mr bees hired a sex offender he hired a sex offender that worked for them for quite a while who went by the nickname delaware and they nicknamed him delaware because of like the fucked up thing he did in delaware yeah all right yeah we was there an inside joke there that they were unaware of so so i'm gonna like i going to break down everything. Okay, please.

Starting point is 01:33:05 I'm just stating everything in chronological order. So essentially what happened – and essentially this Delaware worker used to work for them as a production manager or something like that. Back in the day, we're talking the 2018, 2019 phase of Mr. Beast essentially. And the day after, Jake the Viking, the same one who claimed that Jimmy knew about Chris Tyson, he cleared up a lot of the Mr. Beast essentially and the day after Jake the Viking the same one who claimed that Jimmy knew about Chris Tyson he cleared up like a lot of the stuff he's like yes Delaware was my brother-in-law and yes Jimmy knew that Delaware was a sex offender

Starting point is 01:33:33 Delaware sat down with Jimmy and Jimmy's mom and told them the crime that he did and they hired him anyway but then Jake the Viking says did he accidentally like piss within 100 feet of like a school yard schoolyard or something? So essentially what he did – Or was it bad?

Starting point is 01:33:47 So it looked really bad out of context because essentially, like, you know, the crime was that, like, he did something to a person between the ages of 1 to 11. Yeah. Oh, that's, like, the worst. All right, that's bad. So essentially what it was that, like, this person did what's – I believe what's called fourth-degree rape or something. So essentially when the person was 16, did something to a person between ages 1 to 11 jake the viking claims like yeah i don't think it's true he had to take a plea deal because there wasn't enough evidence to support him i don't know the details of that case so this is just simply what the court document says i don't

Starting point is 01:34:18 know about it but he was a registered sex offender and this really took this this was like a whole different level they were like all right mr beast needs to get arrested or something because like how on earth could he uh like how on earth could he hire a registered sex offender and dawson the the person who made the video you know he's like all right this is part two because like he says like part three is the real video all right hold on back up a second yeah why is mr beast hiring somebody he's got fucking a thousand people like like jamie diamond's not hiring the guy to be the analyst on the desk over here on 47th street you know what i mean like how do we know that delaware was in like with mr beast and his mom like he even got the mom in

Starting point is 01:34:59 there too this was relatively early this is relatively early yeah so like essentially like this is like relatively early so like like i'm breaking down like there are explanations for a lot of this stuff essentially so like i talk about like all like in my video too like there's like a lot of stuff and essentially because like also like the proof is that like you know delaware isn't like some of the videos like with his face covered up because like you know he doesn't want like his identity to be shown and stuff like that because miss delaware is in like a bunch of like videos yeah all of his pictures he has like a mask on i think right yeah right? Yeah. And so basically, this took things to a different level. And they knew this.

Starting point is 01:35:29 I'm getting into all that. Okay. But essentially, no. But Jimmy did not know. For all the people who are wondering, no, he did not know. Oh, he didn't know Delaware was? No. No, no, no, no.

Starting point is 01:35:37 Thank God. And there is a very reasonable explanation. And there is reasonable explanations for a lot of the stuff. That's good. Okay. But this is like, because like, and this was kind of like when the video came out, there was like a bunch, like this is like sparked a whole new friend. Like, oh my God, Jimmy knew about all this stuff. And keep in mind, while this stuff was coming out, Jimmy was dead silent, not talking about anything, which was not helping the case at all.

Starting point is 01:36:01 And so after this, more and more shit just came out. Like every single week, something just like came out about him that was this more and more shit just came like every single week something just like came out about him that was like more and more like wild and so dawson dog pack 404 he was like oh yeah like this is even like the real thing part three is like where the real shit goes sounds like oh my god like what what on earth could possibly be happening in part three so he says it like part three is where he shares cases of people who were like harassed the company and how these were like covered up and like pull and like push under the rug so part three like people were like waiting for a while like because like because part two is supposed to like a week after part one it's like ah like when's part three

Starting point is 01:36:36 coming out and so he posted like part like two and a half essentially where he shares like um like was it like like he shares like two like higher up beast employees that did like shady shit he shares one who went by the name of james warren who was jimmy's cousin who was like the secret ceo of mr beast he's like yeah like they secretly hired the ceo who's extremely disgusting and showed like screenshots of like messages about how like you know alleging he would like give out like cocaine and offer like strippers to like you know like employees yeah yeah sounds like a great guy he's the fun guy that sounds awesome like what so i mean application my god like what are you talking about mr beast the best boss ever we're talking about like they don't do they don't do that at wabas

Starting point is 01:37:21 corporations like i'm probably i want to see that yeah they should they should imagine they would open so many more chains oh my god yeah um but anyways but like and he's like and he should like yeah like i can't find his exact cases but there are like you know some people named james warren who have like you know domestic abuse allegations and stuff like that so he's like and like like obviously not because there's a lot of people named james warren it's a very like you know typical. Then he shares a different story of a guy named LaCoya Hill, who he shares a lot of like text rumors and basically tells a story about how like, you know, LaCoya Hill was, what was it? Was accused of like assaulting like one of his like assistants or something like that. And essentially they said like they were going to fire LaCoya, but then secretly hired him at another company. And then they fired the accuser and then hired LaCoya right back because he was so good at his job or whatever.

Starting point is 01:38:09 That was a story Dogpack shares, essentially. And then after that, there was, like, so much more stuff. There was, like, accusations of, like, um, where do I even start? Like, oh, my God. Like, that's just, like, 60, 70% of, like, all the accusations. Because there's another YouTuber named Rosanna Pansino who, like, always, like, hated MrBeast. And she also, like, you know. that's just like 60 70 percent like all the accusations because there's another youtuber named rosanna pancino who like um always like hated mr beast and she also like you know that's a bad start yeah it's a bad start because like she was she like accused jimmy of like being screwed over like you know like uh in like a video and people also hated on her initially

Starting point is 01:38:38 because of like you know the bias in mr beast favor initially he was the golden boy of youtube so they were like how dare you accuse mr beast of faking his video and like you know like rigging the results to make to have you be in a lower place like what's wrong with you you have low views right now you're cloud chasing yeah and so essentially so she kind of was like always like looking for like a reason to kind of go against him and so mr beast had like this show coming out on prime called beast games which is like brand like it's out right now it just dropped like two days ago it just dropped like and so like and so around the time when the first episode was being filmed there was a bunch of reports coming out of how people were getting

Starting point is 01:39:13 like injured and like you know like like and like like there's a ton of stuff coming out she was sharing like you know stories of people like you know who anonymously came for like anonymously came forward talking about how they like broke their bones and stuff like that and there was like what and like what was it like here actually i have to pull it up because there's so much shit like going on like uh what is it because i remember like because like once like all the stuff came out she started working with doc pack and jake weddle and they started doing it and they started like and she would start dropping like weekly videos about all this new shit that came out. It became, like, the hottest thing to trash.

Starting point is 01:39:48 It became the, like, like, like, Trashing Mr. Beast was profitable for, like, a good amount of time. So. Oh, yeah. So, okay. So, I remember. Yeah, go through this, please. Yeah, so, okay, yeah. She posted another video talking, like, revealing how he, like, was gambling with some illegal website.

Starting point is 01:40:02 Then the Lunchly stuff came out. And that, like remember like you know you know they're uh they're brand lunchly oh yeah that got a shit ton of backlash too because he essentially dropped it at the worst timing ever one it was with logan paul who was not exactly seen as like a good guy that was already bad two it was at the height of his controversy so that also was not good the fact that you know you know it's bad when logan paul is only the second most controversial person in the group yeah you know it's like bad so like and people were like how could you drop a processed food product market to kill you like what's wrong with you and and

Starting point is 01:40:33 once it dropped like on the rollout it was like oh the cheese is moldy like there's this there's that yeah because it just kept on she posted the video like where she like tried the product live on camera and like the cheese was more there was like a there wasn't like one or two like youtubers like posted a video with moldy cheese it was like a ton it was a ton of people who posted like you know picture like a moldy cheese i'm not i'm not saying that listen i'm the last guy who's gonna be like you need to launch like a vegan brand or you know whatever but the fact that these guys and mr beast is one of them this this was a little disappointing to me like he's launching like chocolate bars at a process lunch sleep remember remember we what

Starting point is 01:41:11 were they called like snackables or something lunchables yeah because the brand the point of it was essentially to like dethrone lunchables and people were like that's lazy like what like like you do you see how bad we now know how bad that shit is for you the stuff they put in it yeah he's like in this era of like open source we can know what's in shit and people are talking about like not poisoning our fucking kids and stuff that was disappointing because i'm like can't you um again don't make something like vegan or something but like make something normal that doesn't have like i don't know if this one had seed oils in it or whatever but i had bad shit yeah you know what i mean like they pick and then logan who's built like a brick shithouse he's like two percent body fat trains like a motherfucker watches everything that goes

Starting point is 01:41:52 in his body it's watching prime it's like fucking 80 grams of sugar it's prime is like so bad for you it's like not even crazy it's you know i'm all for you know make your brand make your money not everything needs to be the most perfect thing but can we not like make the worst stuff that was that was like the point too because they were like dude like you have the business skills to like make something like you know whatever you want yeah like essentially it's like you know you have the leverage you have the opportunity you have like the knowledge so like that was like a big like accusation it was something that like you know i kind of like went into especially with the moldy like lunch that's just like straight up dangerous that can

Starting point is 01:42:27 like make people sick and then and then like one of the next things that came out this was also really bad it was like um more chat like another like a group chat between mr beast and ava leaked where they essentially sent like child porn to each other yeah it was like essentially like and it's not and it's not and it essentially like and it's not and it's not and it's not and it's not true it's not true i'm saying this like right now because i obviously don't i don't want anything being taken out of context it's not true because like one of the screenshots was like um chris sent a picture of ivanka trump like topless at like when she was like only 13 years old and like in the text it's like hey look at this picture of ivanka at 13

Starting point is 01:43:02 now when now the thing and they put and like she posted that video, like, on her, like, YouTube channel. Now, it's not true because, like, uh, like, doing, like, the tracking or whatever, Ivanka actually was, like, 18 at the time. But obviously it's still, like, a little weird because, like, you know, Chris sent it thinking she was 13. So that's, like, why it's a little weird, essentially. But this also was, like, really, really bad. And people were, like, oh, my God, it's a little weird essentially but this also was like really really bad and people were like oh my god it's like because i remember rosanna like reported him to the fbi and so now people thought the fbi was getting involved which they weren't and basically i remember like uh what was it the worst thing that actually made me initially

Starting point is 01:43:38 change my mind too was the accusation of like uh child labor being used in feastables now what was this so basically like i mean i don't know like how much you know about the chocolate industry but it's very very fucked up like essentially tell me about it but also i do need to point out iphone iphone iphone in my hand there's fucking little eight-year-olds right now i'm thinking cobalt and the sudan or wherever the fuck yeah yeah that's right now so we are all guilty of this in some ways but i you know how deep does this go with his knowledge of it and whatever right yeah so essentially like um what was it like um basically like the chocolate industry is like kind of like infamous for being extremely dark and messed up

Starting point is 01:44:16 like hershey nestle they have been proven to use like child labor like slave labor for their chocolate it's how they make it so tasty and so cheap it's like they go like the workers are like severely underpaid i've seen charlaine the chocolate pack it's so it's so fucked up and so what happened was that like initially when mr b started feastables i had like a different recipe than it has right now so he started like when he started like in early 2022 it was like a different brand and they like proudly displayed on their website child labor and slave labor free. It was huge. You couldn't miss it. Seriously.

Starting point is 01:44:47 The problem with the chocolate didn't taste that good in all honesty. It kind of tasted like it. It tastes like where he did the dark chocolate after test. And it was. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:44:57 Like basically like. Yeah. Like it. Like it didn't taste like good. Then around like a year ago, he changed the recipe to be completely different. And it tasted like phenomenally better. it tastes it tastes fucking gas but the same time but the same gas at the same at the same time at the same time that whole child labor slaver three free thing on the website kind of just uh taken down at the same time and you couldn't find anything on the website that talked about

Starting point is 01:45:26 their ethical sourcing or anything like that so people were like hey um why'd you take that down why around the same time the recipe changed and also happened to taste a lot better and also happens to be a lot more highly manufactured and everything what's uh what's the deal with that so like a scent so and like obviously like with the chocolate industry being known to be obviously awful like uh there was kind of like the like the accusation that he might have been using child labor that's what initially changed my mind because i'm like if this is true this is fucked up and i'd love to know how much he knows unless he can you pull up a chart i don't i've never pulled this up but it's gotta exist mr b subscriber growth by year yeah oh it's like it's insane i want to i want to make a i want

Starting point is 01:46:08 to make a point here but i want to see this chart just to see yeah it's going to put a real visual on it yeah real quick so obviously yeah he exploded but yeah let's see if we can get it on how about that third one right there actually if you really want to see it, he actually has a website where he really shows stats. Go to viewstats.com. Okay. It's actually his own website where you see crazy analytics

Starting point is 01:46:38 for any YouTube channel. You search up viewstats.com. It's actually his own. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that yeah that one all right so go to subs yeah go go max go max click on max yep perfect and then yeah like is that subs right there click subscribers it's right next to views oh those reviews yeah perfect cool so yeah and you can like follow the little thing yes all right so this doesn't even go as far back as i want but go all the way back to 2022 right there just scroll on that okay all right this is a million yeah so he already has 86 in december 2021 basically he was at i

Starting point is 01:47:15 want to say like 5 million in 2019 something like that it was i think like no i think like 10 million 2019 okay either way i think he's in like the 10 to like 20 million range in 2019. Yeah, because I remember 2020 was when he broke 50 million. 2018. He's in that five-ish range or something. And the guy had been doing a channel since like 2013 when he was young and saying, I'm going to say Logan Paul 200. That was not Logan Paul.

Starting point is 01:47:39 Right, right. And just slowly grew and all that. But you see how this chart, even the one we're looking at right here, real fast, just go to that on five. Thank you, honestly. You see how it's got that exponential curve, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And before that, if you pulled in before that, it's even way worse because we're starting at 86 million right here. Now we can pull off that at less.

Starting point is 01:48:00 Point is, as things like this happen, and again, we already made the point earlier about how young you are and like you're coming into this your brain's not developed and you're like i just want to be the biggest thing i want to be the biggest thing as these things start happening what what begins is you and your two buddies you know with your mom making dinner in the house suddenly gets big the money starts adding up you're reinvesting it into the content but then your brand your personal brand if you will gets so big that the same thing happens to every fucking person right and when that door knocks it's two types of people to walk in suits and lawyer suits okay the suits walk in and tell you how you're going to monetize everything and how you're not getting

Starting point is 01:48:42 everything you should right now and you deserve much more and here's how we're going to do it. We'll take care of this because this is what we know. They say a lot of terms that you don't fucking understand, especially if you're a creative and you're like, all right, buddy, sounds good. The lawyers come in and they say, you need to protect yourself against this and this and this. You realize that you're open up to risk right here and these, and it's, it's fucking gibberish. And all the while his goals remain the same. I got to make the next video. I got to come up with the next idea. My brain's all over here. I relate to this, right? That everything can get lost in the fold. And then the faster you move and the faster you grow and the faster your company grows,

Starting point is 01:49:14 the more of those come in to your room and suddenly become the brand. So when we talk about Mr. Beast, for example, going quiet quiet or whatever after some of these things happening i have no doubt he wanted to come out and say whatever he wanted right but he had a hundred two hundred yeah five hundred people around him going jimmy this is exactly what you're going to do shut the fuck up and listen yeah that that's exactly what happened because like essentially like like um with the context like like everything because there also was like you know because like every single week he was getting like a new like allegation a new thing going against him and because like he was so silent it was so bad like this was really affecting like his entire like channel and business and everything like this was like a fucking nightmare like his views were like starting to go down and like he was losing sponsorships

Starting point is 01:50:00 still using a lot of brand deals like the amazon prime show which was like a hundred million dollar budget like the craziest thing he's ever done like a lot of the shit was starting to like go down like it was a fucking dumpster fire and like he like like really like couldn't speak about at the time so i remember like essentially what happened was i remember i made my first video when i think it was like when only maybe like 60 of the allegations like came out initially when like yeah when like 60 of the stuff came out and i remember i was like when only maybe like 60% of the allegations like came out initially. When like 60% of the stuff came out. And I remember I was like making a video.

Starting point is 01:50:31 It wasn't as research as I wanted it to be. And I remember I defended him. No, I defended him in the video. I was like, guys, like come on. He's the charity guy. Like relax. Like he's probably like just, you know, it's probably an explanation for all this. And the comments got pissed, man. They were like, man, get out of your mouth, bro.

Starting point is 01:50:46 Like, goddamn. You got, like, these subtle jokes that come up. I'm not ready for them. Thank you. Thank you. That was good. I try. Like, people, like, they were really.

Starting point is 01:50:59 This was four months ago. This was four months ago. Damn. That's crazy. Like, four months ago this was four months ago damn that's crazy like four months ago that video came out and i remember like um yeah the comments were like mad negative and like i remember like it's like it's different if it's like divided comments right but like if like almost if it's like 90 of the comments then like i take it more as like you know criticism rather than like you

Starting point is 01:51:20 know like hate you know what i'm saying so i genuinely try to like listen to like what the people try to say and i was like you know maybe i was like, you know what I'm saying? So, I genuinely tried to, like, listen to, like, what the people tried to say, and I was like, you know, maybe I was, like, a little biased, I'm gonna, like, look more into this, and I kind of, like, had that, like, in my mind, like, maybe there was, like, something going on, so I did, like, more, I, like, re-watched the videos, I did, like, a lot more research, and more and more stuff just kept coming out, because, like I said, this is only when 60% of the stuff came out, but by the time I made my video like 90 to like 95 of the shit like came out and now there was like more stuff that was like even worse like the child labor like the chocolate one like that accusation like that was before like or that was like after like my video

Starting point is 01:51:55 came out so that was like what really like made me change my mind because i was like if that's true man oh man if that's yeah which spoiler alert it's not true it's not it's not true he does not use child labor which i was so happy to learn about and i'm gonna explain you gotta say that up front yeah like essentially yeah like that like he is no child labor no slave labor no we'll explain what's that company called that he worked with tony's chocolone so this is basically like how because like it's important to explain everything in context because like this is like why a lot of people didn't know certain things so i remember like i made my first video and it was like very very biased like mr b's favor and then i remember i made my second video where i

Starting point is 01:52:32 was like okay maybe he's not that good of a guy after all i explain every like i basically talk about everything that i like just talked about like for like the most part and then i remember like i actually got reached out to him uh like he actually saw my video and dm'd me personally we woke up the next morning with a dm and uh and i like freaked the fuck out i was like what was the video titled again it was so i was wrong mr beast is a monster oh boy yeah that was this was two months ago i did not think he was gonna see that shit like at all oh mr beast is a monster he's and it goes pretty viral he's not gonna see it he saw it in what 12 hours maybe of it being he's got fucking 2 000 people working for him he's probably got people in a fucking farm they're like oh mr beast i made another video about yeah probably so then i

Starting point is 01:53:13 remember he actually reached out to me and like we and like and i remember like a lot of the stuff was like and i remember because like a lot of the stuff was explained to me and like it a lot of it like made sense for the most part like essentially like and so all right can i yeah this is some unsolicited advice when we're having a conversation like this because you're gonna make more videos on this people will still stay watching the video if you say some of this stuff up front right you know what i mean right so like because it it builds up to sound like he's fucking hitler you're right and he's not yeah what he is is probably what i said which is that growing too fast too many people in the fucking room and he's getting fucked by some bad people and there's things that he has to like i i've said this for a while not

Starting point is 01:53:56 that my opinion matters but like i've said to people for a while like i hope mr beast slows down a little bit and takes a breath because he's already accomplished more than anyone else like you have your whole life in front of you there's no need to have all these you know leaks in the dam that that can happen and and that is what because that's how i felt when i watched your videos on him that's how i was feeling i'm like because that like that title then i'm listening to the episode and I'm like, Hmm. Yeah. Okay.

Starting point is 01:54:27 He's not, there's just some careless errors here. You're right. No, you're totally, you're totally right. Like I was explaining, cause like, I like to explain things like in context because it kind of helps give like my point of view, but like, you're totally right. Like I like, like upfront, like basically like a lot, like most of the stuff is like not true. Like a lot of the things that like dog pack made in the video a lot of the stuff rosanna said like like the child porn the child like like this

Starting point is 01:54:50 child's like the child labor like the videos being faked like the jake wettles stuff like the sex offense like him knowing about the sex offender like that's just not true it's not true it was and like it was debunked like essentially like which basically only leaves like illegal lotteries and like some things that are kind of in the gray area yeah yeah and the scope of things yes yeah and i and i listen to that and that seems to have good evidence and it's like again you're moving too fast that you cut these little corners and you don't think anything of it when you do it and then you do it like five times because and that you can't do that because it turns out like because like and i

Starting point is 01:55:22 was like very very happy to learn that like most of, like, 99% of the stuff was just not true. And I was like, oh, thank God. Like, because, like, I'm not, like, because, like, because I actually was, like, I actually, like, because Feastables, like, they don't use child labor. They do the exact opposite. They're actually trying to beat, like, child, like, labor and slavery. Which is what they're partnered with their company. They work with Tony's Chocolony. Do you know that chocolate brand at all?

Starting point is 01:55:49 No. they're partnered with their company they work with tony's chocoloni do you know that chocolate brand at all no you like you if you walk into a walmart or a target you would see it like in the same aisles like hershey's they're a brand that was specifically designed to combat the exploitation in the chocolate industry and they're phenomenal they do a phenomenal job at it and they taste really fucking good it's like the whole purpose of the brand i remember like i even mentioned that in my initial video because i thought like when i thought about like the child slavery stuff i'm like this is a brand that's an example of like you know how you can make good products without having to be fucked up about it turns out they actually partnered with tony's to essentially like you know make the sourcing like ethical and to combat child like the child which is like fucking amazing honestly like

Starting point is 01:56:25 like not only is mr beast like not bad he's like way better than i thought i was like man like like it's actually like i felt so bad and like i remember like um like because like a lot of the other stuff was just like also like not true like my uh was it um soggy cereal a youtuber he did like an hour and a half video debunking the lies about like dog pack. Like essentially he like broke down like all the specific things. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:56:52 Like he was the bad start. Yeah. Cause a lot of, cause like he broke, like he showed the evidence for like all of the, like the hardcore, like receipts for like everything. Just like,

Starting point is 01:57:01 like most of the stuff not being true. Like the only things that are true was really like the illegal lotteries like for the most and they like what like what else like i guess it was most of the minor stuff yeah specifically i can't remember but like the big hitting stuff the stuff that is like wow like right yeah none of that all of that there's proof that it wasn't true for like for example like which doesn't make the other stuff okay but still like in the scope of things illegal lotteries or you know distributing child porn like this is like these are two very different things for example like no he did not know about delaware being a sex offender because like essentially like what happened and this is something that

Starting point is 01:57:37 dog pack kind of like almost intentionally did not really include because it's exactly what you said where he was growing so fast and kind of like cut corners essentially what happened was that like around 2018 when jimmy was just a stupid 19 year old he went he like this is literally what happened he went to a local best buy and just hired a bunch of the employees said hey do you guys want a job one of them was delaware and when you're 19 and you're hiring people you don't know what background checks are you don't know what background checks are i i don't do i didn't do background checks for aiden just say on the chart we were saying 2018 yeah did we not literally use that example i didn't do a backtrack on aiden and maybe he killed someone i don't fucking know like i didn't haven't done background checks

Starting point is 01:58:16 on any of my editors like i don't like i don't like like i'm completely honest like i haven't done back like he's 19 years old i'm guilty of it you don't like yeah like literally like most youtubers also don't do background checks because you don't think about that like you know what i mean like he probably seemed like a really nice guy at the time i'm not like a real straight shooter like you bought crap in a 7-eleven what about it was a straight shooter like i'm like seriously like i don't think about that like like like obviously like no like was it like was it a mistake completely but you gotta understand like you know he made them he made that mistake one time like it's like like literally like it just like happens like he was 19 stupid with a lot of money he wasn't thinking straight he obviously learned from it like making the mistake

Starting point is 01:59:04 is one thing but like he clearly learned from it you know i'm saying like obviously now they do background checks you know what i mean and like like i remember like that and like that employee like was fired like not too long after for like i'm pretty sure like different reasons i don't know for sure but essentially no he he did not know delaware was a sex offender at all like he did not know it's completely like blown out of proportion. And it's kind of like, and like basically, cause like dog pack,

Starting point is 01:59:29 essentially the main justification, like the main like a verdict was that like, he was a bitter employee who only worked there for three weeks because he was fired. He didn't like leave on his own terms. He was fired because he essentially was like a guy who had a fat ego and essentially like just did not get his way because he like tricked the company it's like buying him an apple vision pro he had

Starting point is 01:59:50 like all his ideas just straight up were not good because he worked on the ideation department and your job essentially is to create ideas for the channel yeah think literally and like and like he would submit ideas that like you know were not like clearly jokes but like he submitted them as like serious ideas like for example like i tried every drug was like an idea or like I bought a thousand boob jobs was like a fucking actual like video idea. He submitted. On a Mr. Beast video. On a Mr. Beast video. Where his fucking audience is like 13 to 17.

Starting point is 02:00:15 Yeah. And it's actually, yeah. And it's ironic because he also was like, Mr. Beast has a kid audience and he's exploiting that. Well, also he did that, like also like submitting the boob job video idea for like, you know, a channel. It's exploiting that. Well, also, he did that, like, also, like, submitting the boob job video idea for, like, you know, a channel. That's projection. Yeah. And, like, because I remember, like, a lot of, like, a lot of the accusation was, like, also, like, targeting kids. Like, I will personally say, like, I don't think MrBeast, like, targets, like, children as, like, an audience.

Starting point is 02:00:37 I genuinely don't think that at all because it is, like, a big criticism he gets. Like, I think there's a difference between targeting children and just having and just simply having to have a large children audience if that makes any sense because their videos they're targeted to be appealing to anybody yes right they're g-rated they're fun it's also ad friendly and when they're ad friendly they're basically kid friendly ad friendly is kid like because ad friendly is like kid friendly but it doesn't mean it's specifically marketed towards kids they don't like focus on like child psychology or whatever because if they did they would be doing what coca melon does like like who coca melon exactly that's the reason why you don't know what that is

Starting point is 02:01:11 it's a little kids it's a little kids like lullaby channel like seriously like exactly wouldn't know exactly yeah like like um like like like there's a and there's a reason why we know who mr beast is yeah we're not children yeah but the reason why we know who he is is the reason why we watch his videos. If he was marketed to kids, then I want to know who the fuck he is. You know what I mean? I want to watch his videos if they were so kid-targeted. You know what I mean? So that's just simply not true.

Starting point is 02:01:39 Employees who I've talked to, they get frustrated when they frustrated when like they're accused of like you know targeting the children it's just like not true like i just like even as someone who like openly criticized mr beast i don't think that at all because he just because he happens to have a kid audience does not mean that he specifically targets kids well they very what you should compare this to jack doherty and how he targets and then turns it into like yeah this is something that oh my god i didn't see the jack this was like one of the most fucked up things i've ever seen and like can you tell people who jack doherty is so jack so jack doherty is one of the most hated youtubers essentially he got famous off doing like bottle flip videos back in like 2018 and then he started doing pranks and he's

Starting point is 02:02:24 like a streamer now right he's like a streamer yeah sort of he kind of got banned off streaming because he like crashed his car while like oh i saw that yeah he was worried about the car and not his fucking passenger yeah that was like he essentially like and like a lot yeah like essentially like you know a lot of his videos were kind of like pranks and like vlogs and like you know just like being outrageous but then like you know around like 2023 was when he started like you know doing like, like, being outrageous. But then, like, you know, around, like, 2023 was when he started, like, you know, doing, like, a lot of, like, brain rot short material, essentially. And the thing was that, like, you know,

Starting point is 02:02:50 what he would do is that, like, you know, he would make these shorts, like, as brain rotty, as, like, ADHD appealing as possible. Like, what kinds of things are we talking? It's, like, I don't even know how to describe it, honestly. It's, like, just that, like, brain numbing. Retention, like, driven. Like, having, like, the text and, like brain numbing but like attention you like like having like the text and like the typical like shorts music and like you know having like like

Starting point is 02:03:09 hot girls like doing stuff or like oh oh here's a good example it's like you know those videos where it's like talking to the mic i'll buy whatever you want yeah he would do like a lot of like those but like with the advertising like very clearly edited to like market like you know like for like he'd basically have like a really you know good looking girl go up to a little kid in target and be like you know name your favorite youtuber and if it's like the right one that she's thinking about then i'll get you anything you want and then she's like walking the kid around the store like aimed towards kids and then i go on to explain what so essentially so essentially like you know what he does that like you know he has like all these like hot girls making like kid-friendly material builds up a kid-friendly audience and

Starting point is 02:03:44 like essentially what then he does he's like he'll market like their only fans he basically yeah i don't know if he manages but he manages yeah all these girls and all these girls like he has like a roster it's like a team how old is he now 23 21 21 like just turned 21 yeah essentially like he had like and like he'll have like these girls like they'll also like they also build up their own channels too they'll get like millions of subscribers we'll also do it on his own channel as well essentially like you know like doing like all this like you know brain rot like adhd content for kids and then advertising like their only fans which is where they make the real money and it worked like honestly because essentially it was like selling only

Starting point is 02:04:21 fans to children that's what it was it's like so fucking disgusting and like it was like selling OnlyFans to children. That's what it was. It's like so fucking disgusting. But it makes like so much money because like he said like in a video like, you know, like in some type of interview that like OnlyFans like makes him the most money. Like percentages of his income and it's whatever percent. That's where like the $10 million mansions and like the sports cars come from.

Starting point is 02:04:41 That's like where the real shit comes from. It's from like selling sex to children. It's so fucked beyond comprehension. Do any only fans what have you ever watched only fans or been on it no i'm kidding no i have you just hit me with the because by the way i i need an expose video on the costco fam that needs that needs to drop immediately do you see the immediately i remember i saw a tweet where it's like, they were like celebrating Hanukkah and people are like, oh, this explains their sudden rise to growth.

Starting point is 02:05:08 Oh my God. It made me laugh so bad. Oh my God. So my, my, ah, fuck, I can't tell this one on camera. Damn.

Starting point is 02:05:17 Remind me to tell you off. I can't do, I can't do my boy like that. I actually, like, cause like we live, we live near them. We live near them.

Starting point is 02:05:24 They're New Jersey guys. Yeah, so I wanted to like, not anymore. They live down like jersey guys yeah so i want to like not anymore they live down in boca now that's what okay that's what okay that's why i've heard they live in like boca raton rizzler lives in i know the jersey joe or what's it jersey joe i love jersey joe yeah don't don't even get me started but i content creators sorry to get on the tangent but like you know so do you go on there no i don't you can be honest no i mean i mean i make money on there but i don't like indulge unless he's over here like yeah i'm his biggest fan yeah that's how i got the lambrew i've never been on it and I never want to go on it. I am actually stunned. I'm usually not surprised by how low society will go on certain things,

Starting point is 02:06:11 but I'm stunned by how clearly pervasive this one is because it's not just basic porn or whatever. These are people talking to you on the other side. They have a direct financial relationship with you. They're incentivized to do at times fucked up things and like have you seen this Lily fucking oh that's her last thing easy um oh my god Lily Phillips the girl that shit is crazy this one girl she wants to sleep with a thousand guys in a day right and I just look at this and and

Starting point is 02:06:44 her mom is apparently her accountant her father supports it my sister's like the marketer and people fact check all that but like you know i see this and this is where you ever seen a movie oh my god why am i blanking out right now fucking uh 2002 martin scorsese leonardoCaprio, fucking Gangs of New York. Sorry. No, it's on my watch list. Oh, my God. It's a classic.

Starting point is 02:07:09 So there's a scene in there. Daniel Day-Lewis, who talks like this in real life. He talks like this the whole fucking movie. And he's got this crazy voice. He's like, the watcher of New York. And every fucking thing he says is, like, all dramatic. But there's one scene where Leo DiCaprio is, like, in with with camera diaz just chilling and he gets woken up like in the middle of the night and the butcher's just sitting there with an american flag draped on him just

Starting point is 02:07:33 like looking at him like staring him down and he gives him this like speech and leo's like what the fuck and in the middle of it he goes civilization is crumbling and i think about that line all the fucking time when i see videos like this lily fucking phillips i'm like civilization's crumbling and i think about that line all the fucking time when i see videos like this lily fucking phillips i'm like civilization's crumbling like something has been glitched in the matrix here because the fact that this forget that some people do act i know a lot of people criticize it i'm happy about that a lot of people like make fun of it and are like oh this is fun and are a part of the monetization of it and and pushing it and allowing it to happen to say nothing of the fact there are dudes showing up

Starting point is 02:08:10 to do this yeah you're gonna go in there and give three pumps after fucking 99 dudes in front of you just did are you like that's darwinism yeah right there that's darwinism but when i see this i like i'm maybe i'm just naive but i am genuinely shocked at how pervasive that's gotten. And the fact that it's monetized with people who are like these supposedly mainstream streamers and mainstream YouTubers that they're running business. What's the difference between that and prostitution? I must say, Julie, OnlyFans is basically like legal sex trafficking at this point. That's what I'm saying. It's legal sex trafficking with extra seps.

Starting point is 02:08:45 Like, seriously. Sophia Rayan made $43 million. I think it's like one month, too. That's one month. That's insane. Like, no girl's that hot. Sorry. It's just like.

Starting point is 02:08:55 Sorry. You're right. Like, the society is like. I mean, with Lily, the Lily Phillips thing, that's crazy. And then did you see the. It was like a documentary that came out after. And she's talking about. She's like crying on camera and stuff. Like like you cannot be asking for sympathy after that it's

Starting point is 02:09:09 wild and like it's like it's like it's like it's definitely a two-way street because like on one hand like i definitely don't support like only fans at all but the same time like you know people pay for that like you know what i mean like they support it like i'm not gonna act like is it like i'm not gonna like act i'm not gonna shame people you know what i mean i'm not like if i was born with a fat rack and a nice ass you know what i mean like i'm not gonna i'll be thinking about it too you know what i'm saying like if i could make 43 million dollars from flashing my nips hey man i would genuinely consider it maybe i just i'm not wired that way maybe i see across a population i see exactly what you're saying and that is what it is and then you know you did you did an amazing video on the porn stars.

Starting point is 02:09:47 Yeah. And the downsides of that. And there was one girl, and I want you to go through this whole thing because it's like really sad. But there was one girl in there who told the story about how her mom disowned her and then because of what she did. And then her dad who was – and i think her mom like tried to monetize her whatever it was it was bad and then her dad who was like i guess divorced from the mom was like a religious guy and didn't even want to be seen with her because of what she did and this is someone who i assume made a decision to get into porn when she was like 18 or 19 again

Starting point is 02:10:19 you're a dumb fucking kid obviously she had like a nice rack and she's like oh i can monetize this right and now she's getting older and she said something that was so above all of it was the most devastating part which is which she's like i don't even want to have kids because i think about riley reed yeah i would never want to subject them to what to what they would get because of what i did and like honestly as a human being because i can see like now it's starting to reach upstairs for her you know she's not just this completely empty brain whatever i mean i feel so bad for that because i'm like fuck you can't take it back you can't you can't you can't mommy gets railed on camera you're railed on camera forever bro yeah i'm just saying no it's true yeah that right there is how you made by the that's how that's

Starting point is 02:11:05 how you're made shows are like the video i'm like a rock dog from the back yeah yeah yeah but what can you can you take us into some of your research there and like what yeah what's happening with a lot of these export or i guess current porn stars yeah like i remember like um i remember like there was a time where like i like in the span of like one or two weeks there was like just porn star after porn star like you know announced like being dying like announced like dying and i'm just like what the fuck like i remember like just like it just like seeing it like so often and i remember there's gotta be something going on so i'm kind of like looking into like like sort of because like it's kind of weird because like all of their deaths are like a little

Starting point is 02:11:43 bit differently i think one was like overdose one was like suicide yeah and i think emily willis is what kind of triggered the thought for the video right well she and yeah i i don't know what her situation is now but she's uh she's alive but i think she's like in a vegetative state but that that was the one i think that encouraged like to make the to do even more research into making the video, right? Yeah, because like essentially like I was like going kind of like through the industry and kind of like how a lot of it works because a lot of it works like not really too far away from like sex trafficking honestly. Or kind of like with like Diddy in a way. Like the behind the scenes, what they make them do that they don't even know they're doing.

Starting point is 02:12:20 Yeah. They don't know like – they don't know at all like what they're doing yeah they don't know like they don't like they don't know at all like what they're doing they're essentially like targeting like young girls who want some cash who essentially will agree to do like you know anything like on camera basically and a lot of like people like you know there's like stories like people who were like you know persuaded to do this by being drugged by being manipulated by you know under the influence of stuff essentially like i remember i brought this like one story of like these people who essentially do like a sex trafficking thing where they got like these group of girls like trick them into like signing up for like some type of like acting auditioning thing. Well, that's not what it was at all.

Starting point is 02:12:53 It was literally just like for like a giant like it's basically for like they're trying to make like their own version of Girls Gone or Girls Gone Wild or something like that, I guess. And essentially like, you know, they got them like super like wasted under the influence and basically in a way forcing them to sign these contracts and they were like forced to do these gruesome you know things on camera for like their content essentially and it was like painful shit like they weren't getting any breaks they were like physically exhausted

Starting point is 02:13:17 they were financially being exploited they weren't getting like jack shit in return either they were lied about like how much they were being paid to on top of everything essentially it was so it was so fucked up and i'm like this is kind of like just stuff that like goes on like in the industry as a whole and it's obviously a lot different because like at least like with only fans there's a little there's like a lot less of that because like then like people get more control they have more control of it but even then there's still shit that goes on with it because like like there's like just very goes on with it because like what like there's like just

Starting point is 02:13:45 very like shady management like you know how like um and only fans i would never know no shady managers like look at jack doherty yeah that's a that's like one of the examples i was like kind of like bringing up because that kid shouldn't be able to manage a fucking sperm sample of his own like literally like i remember like i worked with um i worked with someone who used to work with jack doherty and like he told me what the splits were with these girls and i don't want to say the number but holy fucking shit like when i like when he like tells me like you know like what the actual like division is i'm like these girls had to be like manipulated into a contract because there's no fucking way like anyone would agree to that under any circumstances i mean and the reason why the girls do it is because they go from you know maybe not

Starting point is 02:14:29 having any followers or anything to then being promoted on his accounts because he's growing a following and then now they have you know their own thing so it's all the clout like clout chasing is what has caused all of this really yeah it's clout and money it's the influence like literally like these girls like they go from like you know random schmobo from small town bumblefuck like you know and then they get like millions of followers millions of subscribers money in the bank invited to all these big time parties and live in the lifestyle they can only dream of like yeah like when you're like super young of course you agree to that shit like it's just like what it is like they they they do this on purpose it's so fucked up it's a really like it's a like what it is like they they they do this on purpose it's so fucked

Starting point is 02:15:05 up it's a really like it's a it's an extremely messed up industry it's so fucking dark like like i like i don't like like whether you like if like whether you choose to indulge in that stuff is like completely up to you like i don't personally indulge in a lot of it because i just don't think it's very good for people like in general, like a lot of the people I know who indulge in that there's a correlation with them being limited to very certain factors. Like ever since I stopped indulging in it, my life honestly just greatly improved. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:15:33 I don't watch porn ever. Yeah. Like I, like I was never a big porn guy, but like ever since I just stopped like jacking it like completely, like I just feel like I feel great. These one liners are great. Being serious.

Starting point is 02:15:44 Like I just feel good. I just feel like, I just feel like overall, like these one-liners are great being serious like i just feel good i just feel like i just feel like overall like a lot more in control of my body like i just feel a lot physically i just feel a lot better like you know what i mean like it's a spiritual shit yeah i remember i had a kid on the podcast i want to say that was episode 41 yeah with anthony dapolito back in back in 2021 and he he talked about like that he just didn't watch it at all and i remember like he was he explained it on camera and then was talking about it more off camera and i just thought i'm like he's and this kid was younger than me right he's 100 right i'm like this can't be good for you and now like you'll see on twitter all the time like the brain scans of like your brain off porn versus your brain on porn like you see that and you're

Starting point is 02:16:27 like i've never seen that oh yeah can we pull that up a brain brain that watches porn versus brain that that doesn't watch porn oh i see it's i mean you don't have to be a neuroscientist to know this don't look good but i say like dude because like like like it's just like it's just like wild because like you know like we were definitely like exposed like a lot of stuff like when we were younger think about the people today think about the kids like today and like what they're exposed to that's it there's your brain on the left in the middle is your brain on heroin on the right is your brain on porn oh you see you see how similar the feedback loop that's so gross i remember i saw i forget i really like i want to know i forget who said this and i want to know who it was but i remember he said

Starting point is 02:17:12 some type of quote it was along the lines of like you know if you want to sabotage a society expose them to nudity and like make it like very easy for them to see like nudity or something like that like make it was you know you know what he's talking about it was like make it like very easy for them to see like nudity or something like that like make it was do you know do you know what he's talking about it was like um it was like an older video right and this guy was basically like if the devil from this early 60s yeah this was on joe rogan with taylor sheridan okay yeah this was like a viral yes where he it was the it was some old like exactly what you said devil wanted 50s or whatever then it would be this this this and i think that's what he's talking about but yeah that video was like and you can't even be on twitter nowadays without seeing like you know every other post it's like cctv a guy getting shot in the head run over by a bus you

Starting point is 02:17:56 know porn like it's crazy dude i think about this off twitter like instagram tiktok like it is so like i have to like specifically cater my instagram to like show me like less of that shit because like it's just like not good like it's not like seriously like the people that i know who indulge in that shit like way too much man who like stroking the snake on the daily like it's just another one like i got like a thousand terms for that shit man seriously i got them on it sits up and i was like got in that like jay-z's right and right bad example but he's right rhymes this guy's like oh another one shoot the ghost right yeah yeah massage on the monkey i'm 54 you know i like i think about it all the time with with you know because i don't have kids yet but when i when i

Starting point is 02:18:42 have them in the future especially because of the career choice I've made, like it or not, involves a level of publicity. Number one, I don't want my kids anywhere near the public eye. Not even fucking close to it. They're not going to be on my Instagram. Hopefully I find a wife who's not a public figure, who is also not on my Instagram, not known, like have my own private life because they don't sign. I haven't met my future wife yet, I don't think.

Starting point is 02:19:09 She didn't sign up for what i'm doing right and that means my kids also when they're born into it they don't sign up for what i'm doing and the downsides of that are crazy the second level of it is something everyone out there listening can relate to who has kids or is going to have kids or whatever or is has them at this age right now where it's like you don't want to be the parent that doesn't let your kids do all the things that literally like everyone else does like you don't want them to be socially taken away but there has to be a balance there and hopefully enough parents will see this who have grown up with the internet themselves as they start to come up and have kids there has to be a balance as to what your kids are exposed to online and what you let them be a part of because

Starting point is 02:19:42 the desensitization that you can get from whether it be sex drugs violence war real things that happen in the world that are horrible that you know are real but a fucking 10 year old doesn't need to see like you can't undownload that hard drive as that builds right and that is to me like i'm looking forward to having kids it's gonna be great that's the scariest part i keep that exact same thing in mind too because like i'm looking forward to having kids it's gonna be great that's the scariest part i keep that exact same thing in mind too because like i like you know because like i i definitely don't want to be like one of those like influenced or couple relationships or whatever yeah that looks like hell like i do not want to do that at all and like i have a like i have a lot of respect for like the celebrities who like really keep a lot of like their private life super low-key like

Starting point is 02:20:23 chad scambino j cole i know those guys are like happy as shit because like they don't really like you know put like put like all the details on there you know what i mean like like you know what i mean like i was like just curious one day i like looked up like you know like j cole's like family or whatever and like literally like nothing came up and that was like i'm like impressed that someone like that keeps his shit like super like low-key well think about shot by the way shout out to the internet and will smith's a good example give that yeah shout out to the internet for also not putting that out there yeah but go ahead on will smith no i mean will smith that's a perfect example of like the opposite like you know right yeah

Starting point is 02:20:58 the relationship problems are out yeah his kids look look well i should make a video on that honestly yeah that's a good idea yeah because Because, like, I remember, you know, Patrick CC made a great video like talking about how, like, how Will Smith made Jaden Smith fail. Something along the lines

Starting point is 02:21:12 of like that. Because, like, Great channel, by the way. Yeah. We were basically a Walmart version of Patrick CC. He's our inspiration.

Starting point is 02:21:21 He's really good. He's a dollar store. He's phenomenal. Like, seriously. Like, we get, like, I get a lot of inspiration from him. He's the fucking goat he's phenomenal like seriously like we get like i get i get a lot of inspiration from him he's the fucking goat honestly um but like yeah he made a great video about it like because like will smith was definitely one of those people who really like he really kind of like forced his kids to like really succeed in that type of industry

Starting point is 02:21:39 because i think like he really wanted like that ideal image, right? A successful superstar family where everyone is dominating everything. He's the movie star. His wife is like an entrepreneur and bald and his kid also is like a superstar like, you know, a musician. And yeah. I wasn't ready. She could be, you know, he wakes up, he looks at her reflection in the bald hair. Keep your wife, my wife's name, out your mouth.

Starting point is 02:22:13 Dude, he probably looks like, he's like, when he probably needs a shave, he's like, honey, turn around. Oh, yeah. There we go. Continue. But, like, yeah, he basically wanted, like, that superstar like successful image like you know of like everyone the family being successful and like in a way it kind of like did work because like you know jayden smith and will smith they are like successful people and not gonna lie jayden smith makes some fire music i'm like as like a hip-hop head i love his shit like i'm so like he had a like his 2017 to 2019 run phenomenal seriously listen willow's talented as hell her new album is actually

Starting point is 02:22:52 super good willow is unbelievably talented willow smith had like one good song and like a lot of my hair back and forth that one that was that was her that was the one i was thinking of again you know that even her you know no that was you know you know they you know they deleted the music video for that right i think she was like so embarrassed of it they like deleted the music video internet was just like proof that like you know she was like 12 when that song came out or some shit like literally because i'm like like her new stuff is like super good now but like dude like those guys like they have like a lot of like issues like behind the scenes like you know a lot of people really shouldn't like you know suffer from yeah

Starting point is 02:23:32 you know what i mean like i don't want to talk on anyone's like behalf over here but at the same time like you know that's just not really something like you know a lot of people really should be doing to try and force their family into you know what i mean like i understand will smith obviously wants like you know what's best for his children and wants like best for like you know his family and everything like that but there's a difference between like you know presenting your kids with opportunities versus kind of like you know almost like forcing them into a situation that they maybe don't understand that they maybe can't perceive or really process until they're older you know what i mean for sure yeah and and look you can't perceive or really process until they're older you know what i mean for sure yeah and and look you can't judge everything book by its cover and whatever but like look at his son when he's

Starting point is 02:24:11 young cute normal innocent looking kid look at him now he doesn't look happy yeah all right it's like the light got taken from his eyes and i'm not saying that was Will Smith's intention or anything, but like I do think Will has – he's a psychological study, man. But he has an enormous chip on his shoulder. It's pretty clear he doesn't have the greatest marriage, and there's things that get caught in the middle of that when you're an insecure person like him he's extremely insecure that then you may unintentionally do things vis-a-vis your kids that you know aren't aren't long-term positive yeah like that like it definitely comes from like a very big place of ego because like they're like because like the marriage i remember like the problems with like him and like his wife just were like absolutely like heartbreaking honestly like i'm not trying to date like too deep and like someone's like beef but like i remember when like will smith talked about it they're beefed it kind of like is

Starting point is 02:25:10 like beef when you look at it man because like these guys send more back and shots to each other than drake and kendrick like honestly like i've never seen so much like tension his wife is a little insufferable man a little i i got a lot of insufferable she can't she can't like keep their family what they call it the red table talk or whatever yeah the table yeah she can't fucking keep their family business out off the mic off the mic yeah like dude like come on it's just like it's just so it's just really like immature honestly like at the same time because like i remember will smith like talking about like you know kind of like the struggle like with their marriage he basically was like discussing how he kind of like forced it to stay together because he wanted that successful image in his mind divorce equals failure that was like his image so like you know like like he's like if

Starting point is 02:25:56 he you know gets separated from his wife then he as a person an actor entrepreneur everything it's down the toilet that's like his like representation of like failure because like most successful people obviously you know they all be like like you see a correlation with them being successful and having a good relationship with god it all comes down to what things look like man yeah and like i said i like you know i don't know what goes on super much like behind the scenes obviously but airing out your dirty laundry for the world with your marriage it's just it's just insufferable it's just so stupid it is it is it's and you know people we also have to look ourselves in the mirror because we're the people that buy it and indulge it right and want to be a part of it and follow it and sometimes like drama stuff is

Starting point is 02:26:37 fun i do not find the family stuff fun no and i try to you know you can't that's the thing like hypocritically you can't get away from it it's all over your fucking feet i know about the red table talks i know about some of the shit she said but there's something about that that like makes me feel like oh what do i even why am i even listening to that you know what i mean like let this man and this woman handle their marriage behind closed doors it's not my business yeah you know but something about the internet has has made it our business and you talk about all these people who are getting on only fans and they're looking for clout that keeps coming up today it's like andy warhol had the famous quote where he said in the future everyone's gonna have their 15 minutes of fame and he could

Starting point is 02:27:11 not have been more right no and i'm not saying that the old world pre-internet where it literally was the smallest group of people that could only get famous and they were completely handled by the middlemen who decided who was going to be famous is the right way. But I am saying this world that still has that world but now also has this whole other crazy fucking untamed universe of people on something called the internet who can get famous doing all different shit from videos like what you do to videos where they're making stupid faces on TikTok, whatever it is. We have now incentivized this culture where people like they want it and they crave to be a part there's a type of person that wants to go out to LA and they it's not that they just want to have a million followers and make money on it and be famous and get a lot of pussy or

Starting point is 02:27:57 whatever it's like they want to be a part of the drama that comes with it they'll tell you they don't but I always say this and this is my own like subjective, whatever. It's not like in the Merriam-Webster's dictionary, but there's two things that are different to me, famous and fame. Everybody, I've heard good psychological studies on this. Everybody secretly wants to be famous. But to me, being famous, this is how I define it, is being known for doing something that people respect in a significant way that they value right and that's a convoluted way of putting it but like i always wanted people like whatever i did people to be like oh julian dore does that he's good at that right so i want that fame though is the whole i want to be photographed by paparazzi and complained about it later like i don't care

Starting point is 02:28:41 as if i didn't fucking call them through my publicist to make sure they were there to fucking get me at this restaurant because it's hot and by the way fucking steven sarr just opened this up and i want to make sure i'm there at the next one when he premieres it right that is fame and there is a there is an enormous group of people that i'm not a part of that they want that and they crave it and they they live on that drama they'll do anything for that attention and when they get it not only is it never enough it actually makes them more miserable it's like heroin and it sends them deeper and deeper and deeper down the hole and it leads to things like what you saw will smith do to fucking chris rock right yeah i think it's actually interesting you say that because it kind of like

Starting point is 02:29:18 i have like a similar concept in terms of like the social media aspect because to me there is a big difference between content creators and cloud chasers oh i specifically like all because like there is a very very huge difference between it because like content creators like you make videos and obviously like it's okay to have to want the they have the intention to have it go viral that's completely fine but when you make content you make it authentic to yourself and you make it with intention for something whether you want to make someone laugh whether you just want to talk about something you're interested in whether you just like want to like you know share with your friends or whatever there is an intention with it that is also tied to you know maybe hopefully getting some type of

Starting point is 02:29:57 views but at the end of the day it stays authentic to you and you make it with passion to some degree, cloud chasers, the intention is only to get the views. That is the only goal and the intention. It's just to get the views and the attention and make those numbers go up. Those juicy, sucky numbers up by any fucking means. Doesn't matter what you have to say or what you have to do or anything by any means. It doesn't matter how far your dignity goes down the drain. It's to get those numbers up.

Starting point is 02:30:27 There's another creator I'm actually about to talk about right in another video named Johnny Somali. Did I tell you about that or no? I know that name. So Johnny Somali is a person who I'm making like a fat video on because he is a clout chaser. A fat one. He's a, he, this is going to be like around the length

Starting point is 02:30:41 of the Jack Doherty video probably. He is a live streamer who essentially has gone viral for all the wrong reasons. He is not a content creator. He is a cloud chaser. He basically is known for going to foreign countries and just being an absolute fucking dickhead. He literally like he initially went like he, like he, I don't know like what his history is, but his very first time going viral was when he visited Japan and he went to people on the subway and started making Hiroshima and Nagasaki jokes.

Starting point is 02:31:11 He went like, hey, Hiroshima and Nagasaki, we're going to do it again. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Three to zero. Like being fucking racist as shit, like mocking their accents and everything and just being an absolute dickhead for no reason. Just no reason just no reason and then like he actually got confronted by a guy on a train who was like american who i like like he was like he was asian but also like you know he was like american like you know what i mean and like it's like hey like you know i'm from texas like you know and as a fellow american can you like

Starting point is 02:31:38 stop that it's very disrespectful and what's funny is that like he wasn't even like korea or uh he wasn't even japanese he wasa or uh he wasn't even japanese he was korean but he assumed that he was like you know japanese because he was just trying to be racist as fuck like he was trying to get the clips and it went viral like he got what he wanted it went viral and he's like oh this works let me keep doing that and eventually like you know and like um like one thing he like kept causing ruckuses eventually he got arrested and was in japan jail for around like three months then he was like time to step it up a notch and he went to israel of all places

Starting point is 02:32:11 to start doing some more of this shit he went to the western wall and started like taping pictures of like harvey weinstein and aiden ross and jeffrey epstein being like my favorite jews ever yeah and to throw aiden in in there that's tough yeah like aiden ross was like watching it's like the fuck you say aiden for you know what i mean like 50 cent was like it's like wild and then he got and he almost faced like jail in there but then he like left and then he went to korea and started like you know acting like an absolute fucking menace again it's kept causing like as much trouble as possible and now he's facing like serious jail time in korea he's not allowed to leave the country he's not allowed to live stream anymore and this has been going on for like around like a year at this point fuck around like

Starting point is 02:32:57 literally like that's like what a cloud chaser is like like what like master uguay that is not a content creator that is a cloud chaser because essentially he is trying to just get the views by any means possible there's no like actual purpose behind like what he makes like i don't think like he's even like like i like i don't mean this in like a good way like i don't think he's like racist i think he's just simply trying to say things that spark a reaction you know what i mean like when he says like you know adolf hitler is my n-word he's not like oh yeah yeah yeah it's not like oh because i think black people are in superior no he's just like oh this is gonna piss people off you know what i mean like essentially i it's not good regardless obviously but the intention is to

Starting point is 02:33:33 spark a reaction and it's a no value it's no value content it's mindless no value exactly it's no value it's to try and make you go let's try and make your jaw drop as fast as possible like the same thing with jack doherty he was not a content creator he is a cloud chaser because it just keeps going more and more like extreme it's essentially like like my point with the video is like you know you have to step it up like every time if you're building a platform of controversy you are doomed to fail it works temporarily but stress is the temporary because the thing about controversy is that if you want to stay relevant, you have to outdo it every single time. You can only do the same stunt before it gets boring. And when you outdo it, you're going to have to sacrifice something every single time you outdo it.

Starting point is 02:34:18 That's going to be your dignity. That's going to be your friends or your family, your privacy. You have to give something. It's a trade and you don't get the pros without the cons every single time you do it. That is the problem with it. But a lot of people, they just see the pros and they don't see the cons and the cons are just simply worth it to them. And that's the sad part. And they don't realize that, that like, it's not worth it until it's too late. Yeah, you got to imagine that you're watching yourself and what would this look like if I were like in a movie right now and watching what I'm doing.

Starting point is 02:34:51 Would I be a good guy or a bad guy in the movie or someone that people pitied in a way? And if you're the bad guy or someone people pities, then you got to take ownership of that. And you're out here telling the stories as a slippery slope example for people. I think that's great. You don't want to do that. My new goal with content also, like, cause on one hand, cause like I was talking about this with Aiden for a while, because I like talk, I like dissecting kind of like how people kind of mess up their careers. But at the same time, I want to start being like an example of like how to do things right. Like I want, like, i realized that like with being a good content creator kind of like like i have to be a good person and that's kind of like one of my new goals is for like improving overall as a person i want to like as a person

Starting point is 02:35:34 like be an example like for say and i kind of like and i'm kind of like asking myself a lot like okay how do i do that i realize it's not really as complicated as i thought i have to just simply do good things so i've been like i try to like you know be physically more active like i try to like go to the gym like all the time i try to eat healthy i try to like take care of myself as best as possible because i realize like oh okay in order to like in order for like this aspect that i want to go into every areas of my life it starts at the very core root yeah that makes any sense because i don't want to be seen as perfect at all i actually want the i i want all the flaws don't worry we weren't gonna ouch okay

Starting point is 02:36:12 but like but like as a creator i don't like want to be seen as perfect i want all the flaws to be seen and i want to improve upon that because i want that to be like shown because I hope – because I hope it's like people can see that and it makes them feel comfortable to make the mistakes and give hope. Relatable. Yeah, essentially to be relatable, like essentially to improve upon it because like on one hand, you were kind of mentioning how like you're glad you didn't start super young so you didn't show all the fuck-ups, which is completely like – I wouldn't have lived. Yeah, I'm about to say like definitely. young so you didn't show all the fuck ups which is completely like i definitely lived yeah i'm about to say like that like definitely like i like also like you know i'm also glad that i didn't start when i was like you know also like 15 in my you know my pews were just starting to grow hair

Starting point is 02:36:53 like i'm super glad that like you know i start because like i do get like a little like insecure sometimes a similar thing you mentioned earlier where i'm like man like i wish i started earlier like if i started like five years beforehand man i would have been like so much more ahead because it's so easy to see the jack doherty's and the aiden ross's and the kaisa gnats who are making fuck you generational money before even like you know turning like 25 right it's so easy to look at that and get insecure but at the same time you have to understand that like you know they may like also think a lot of the same things when they get older there's gonna be a very good chance that when they turn 30 they're gonna be saying like man i wish i did things this and this like you

Starting point is 02:37:34 know maybe and like not to say they're gonna regret their entire life well but jack doherty might but like you know like so like but like people but like a lot of like the kai senats there's a very good chance that you know they may turn 30 and they're gonna like definitely like people but like a lot of like the kai senats there's a very good chance that you know they may turn 30 and they're gonna like definitely like you know think like man like you know i wish i lived a little bit more privately yeah not to say like what he's doing is wrong i i have a lot of respect for kai snack yeah like i think he's hilarious i think from the outside and i don't like a lot of streamers i kind of like kai i like he's so funny he seems a lot more genuine for sure yeah exactly that's what he is

Starting point is 02:38:05 yeah like he is and and maybe he regrets that his life isn't as private in the future like you said yeah not saying he doesn't do things wrong not not to say he's a bad person by any means he is like i like i think he's extremely funny and he is authentic like i like i like people like kai because like it's kind of cool to see people just go viral for being themselves, honestly. He works hard. He deserves every dollar he made. Like, he really, really, like, puts on people. Like, he really acts, like, with intention, which I think is, like, good.

Starting point is 02:38:33 Where someone, like, with Aiden Ross, I'm a little bit more iffy on because, like, of what they've done, like, to get the clout. Because at the same time, I was never really a fan of, like, how he, like, promoted, like, you know, all these OnlyFans girls. Or did, like, all this gambling on stream. Which kind stream, which kind of makes me like, I don't think he's a bad person. But at the same time, like, you know, talk to him about that. Have I talked to him about that? No, I haven't. Maybe like, I don't know.

Starting point is 02:38:55 Like, um, he's not like someone I really did like a huge deep dive into because like, I don't really watch like a lot of his stuff. And as a Jew, not gonna lie, it does get a little annoying to see him like act like as if he's like the token jew when like he's like he is like not like he doesn't represent jews at all i'm gonna be completely honest here like he does not represent us like i don't know like where he's coming from with like all this like shit like i'm like when he like when he gets on like sneak ghost stream or whatever on behalf of the jews like i don't know i'm like who the fuck like who's what send ben shapiro yeah i'm like with the second overall pick in the race track i gotta say we at the jewish delegation trade away aiden ross who sent him i mean last second like and like a lot of like like

Starting point is 02:39:43 anti-semitic twitter like uses like him as an example like like i like i like like all the bad stereotypes like the only stereotypical like the only stereotype of being jewish he is just rich like that's it man it's not really a lot of other things bro this guy like he didn't like i'm not he didn't like he didn't like go to hebrew school he didn't have a bar mitzvah from what i know. Like, and like, listen, like I don't have a problem with you. Like, like, you know, like not getting involved in all that stuff. But the fact that he acts like as if he like represents the community sometimes gets a little like annoying. Not gonna lie.

Starting point is 02:40:14 I don't think he's a bad person. I really, really don't. I don't like want to like trash frustrating for someone to act like they speak on behalf of the community when you're not really as much involved into the core roots of it as, you know, you really should be if you are going to speak on behalf of it. You know what I mean? Like, I don't, like, I, like, I don't speak on behalf of the Jewish people either. But I am a member. I'm glad. He's a member but like it does get like but like it's just like

Starting point is 02:40:45 it just gets like a little it just gets like a little annoying to see someone speak on like behalf of like the entire thing

Starting point is 02:40:52 as if they were like you know as if they're like there for every single moment when you're not you know what I mean that's really like the only thing

Starting point is 02:40:57 that slightly irritates me I don't think he's a bad person he's probably a very very nice guy with good intentions it just gets a little annoying that's really it it's blanco dude we covered a lot of ground today we did yeah we have to do a

Starting point is 02:41:11 patreon episode right now on our boy luigi mangione so we'll do that we'll do that real quick but yeah this has been awesome your videos as i said are amazing and we'll have your channel link down below as well as your ig yeah adan we'll make sure we put down yours as well thank you for putting this together brother yeah but we'll have to thanks for having us well of course we'll have your channel link down below as well as your IG. Aiden, we'll make sure we put down yours as well. Thank you for putting this together, brother. But we'll have to do this. Thanks for having us, man. Of course. We'll have to do this again at some point as you're making more videos and doing some things.

Starting point is 02:41:32 But love to see young guys from Jersey doing their thing. And we'll always put that on here. Yeah, dude. Love what you're doing, man. You're killing it. Thank you. Likewise, man. You are crushing it.

Starting point is 02:41:40 We're trying. We're trying. But anyway, we'll do one on Luigi right now. Everybody else, you know what it is. Give it a thought. Get back to me. Peace. Thank you guys for watching the episode. Before you leave, please be sure to hit that subscribe button and smash that like button on the video. It's a huge help. And also, if you're over on Instagram, be sure to follow the show at Julian Dory podcast or also on my personal page at Julian D. Dory. Both links are in the description below. Finally, if you'd like to

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