Julian Dorey Podcast - #28 - Anthony Baccare

Episode Date: December 30, 2020

Anthony Baccare is a bookie and a contractor. At no point has he ever knowingly been associated with or a member of the Italian-American Mafia. ***TIMESTAMPS*** 2:35 - Covid culture; Ant’s 96-year-old Grandma 5:53 - Normalization & when it happens; Florida & California in Covid; The Silicon Valley Movement to Miami 11:59 - Amazon; Jeff Bezos might be trying to take over the world; MacKenzie Scott (Bezos); Bill Gates 18:37 - Bookmaking and Ant’s work as a bookmaker; Table Tennis & The Korean Baseball League (KBO) Gambling; Betting action during Covid 25:50 - Adam Silver’s reputation as NBA Commissioner; Former Commissioner David Stern; The NBA’s ties with China 33:29 - Political Awakenings; Printing Money; Revisiting Ant’s contracting business during the housing crisis; The Wealth Gap 38:59 - How Anthony built his book; Live action & Prop-betting; Betting the WNBA; Automation in the gambling industry 46:55 - Casinos in the Pandemic 49:00 - Police Officers and how they have the worst job in America right now; The Blue Wall of Silence (Serpico, The Seven-Five); Poor police officer training in America 1:06:57 - The lost tax dollars during the Pandemic; “The line” for people on Civil Liberties, Masks, etc.; Julian tells a story about an NYC ER Doc’s take on the psychology of Covid-19; Revisiting a story the Joker told in “The Dark Knight” 1:20:14 - The duopoly political system; Trump & Schumer as marketers; “They’re all puppets” 1:29:34 - A long discussion on the Sopranos including: the history, SopranosCon, James Gandolfini, The Upcoming Movie “The Many Saints of Newark,” The show’s music, The Sopranos cast relationship, The Talking Sopranos Podcast, David Chase, the fate of “The Russian,” the Pine Barrens episode, and more 2:06:46 - Reaction to the hilarious Matt Lauer / Tom Cruise Interview from 2005; Scientology; Leah Remini’s escape from the cult 2:18:25 - “Science is the new Religion”; Covid Vaccine talk; The problem with Anti-Vaxxers; Fauci; Censorship of Science that “doesn’t agree”; Social Media’s role in the Pandemic 2:32:06 - Legalization of Drugs in Oregon; Portugal’s existing system; The Racket of Rehab Centers; How legalizing drugs could work; Revisiting Ross Ulbricht & The Silk Road 2:43:31 - Covid Conditioning; “Cover Your ***” Marketing; Julian gives a theory on both Social Media and the Covid precautions being marketed towards women; Trump’s botched response to the Pandemic 2:52:30 - Wondering how close segments of society are to their breaking point; Trump thought he could market his way out of this; The Electoral College and Groupthink 3:01:30 - The potential shift of red states to blue states; Which party is in more trouble; ... Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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An aunt leans over me and elbows me like halfway through and he goes, dude, dude, the Lynx are getting six points in the second half of the WNBA you can't lose I love the WNBA call me degenerate but women's basketball is pretty much cut and clear a lot more you know I I have way better numbers but in the bunker today by my friend anthony and is one of the funniest people i've ever met in my life and thoroughly enjoyed having him in here we had a nice conversation that wasn't just laughs by the way we had a lot of good serious conversations in here for long periods of time as well. So I really, really appreciated this one. I'm glad we're closing the year on this one as well, just because I think some of the things we talked about are

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Where's the news? You're giving opinions and calling them facts. You feel me? Everyone understands this, but few seem to do it. If you don't like the status quo, start asking questions this whole year is almost like erased yeah in that in that sense who have you been quarantining with just kim yeah how's that been you know how it is good bad you really like you know they say how you don't really know somebody till you, they say how you don't really know somebody until you live with them.

Well, you don't really know somebody until you're locked in a house. That is true. I had a friend say to me right at the beginning of Corona, she was like, this thing is going to go longer than we think, obviously, and this is going to make or break relationships, period. And the odd job is going to break it more than because you only have so much of a threshold for tolerance yeah everybody has you know i can withstand this much of somebody even if they're your wife you still need time to yourself or your friends

it's just the way it's going to work yeah i mean it's so true in the sense that we're always we're just wired to look out for ourselves. It's how we're biologically built. And so even when you are like passionately in love with someone, there's still that hypothetical wall that needs to go up sometimes in your day where it's like, all right, I'm just alone with my thoughts for a few minutes. And when you're in a small space all the time, you're working in there. God forbid, like you have a full family and everything, got the kids from school which you don't but a lot of people do it's like yeah there's no break no break and if you can't love yourself and take care of yourself how are you going to take care of someone else your kids you have to be you have to put yourself

first and it's sad to say but you do because if you don't put yourself first everything else will fall to bits so true so true how's the rest of your family doing everybody's good you know my grandmom she's 96 but she's still somehow making it with all this going on by herself so it's kind of she's by herself by herself my aunt yeah my aunt goes over there and like takes care of her so does my mom my other aunt but nobody really wants to get that close to her because if god forbid you know it's it yeah how about that fear man that's it you don't want to be the one to her because if, God forbid, you know, it's it. Yeah. How about that fear, man? That's it. You don't want to be the one to do it.

Yeah. Like, oh, no, I got it. Yep. It is that. I don't know the term for it, but it's that. I'm not. This is not the real term, but like that opportunity loss. Like, there's a different word I'm looking for.

That's not real. But exactly. Like, you don't want to be the one who does it and so it's like this game theory of people like well i'm not going to go over there because then i'll be first and so then they're not going to go over there and they'll be first and it's like it's people's lives you know it's you're not even just talking about the life and death of that but you're talking about interacting with in this case like your elders and yeah god bless her i mean she's 96 living alone dry still driving amazing yeah still drives still drives yeah i don't

know how i feel about that how's she doing out there she's all right i think she just got in an accident nothing oh my god and and no one came to the scene because they're like oh we don't want to kill you with covid exactly oh my god and if something does happen she'll try to hide it from everybody get it fixed herself you know what i mean she won't tell my mom wow so she's like really independent yeah good for her honestly like that's amazing yeah watch it with the driving but that that's still amazing but that has to come to an end sooner yeah sooner than I mean, how did we come out of this, dude? Obviously, you got the vaccine coming and everything, but I'm talking about from a social perspective,

not the medical stuff and all that. That's a whole other conversation. But how does society start to reintegrate itself just to normal, I hate even using that word now, but the way we used to operate business as a whole i don't think we do because that's the million dollar question where do you go from here what's normal now if it was only for three weeks i'd say hey yeah we'll get back but it's been how long so it's time will only tell what are they going to say you know they tried that 50 percent and

guess what that exploded back on our face so who knows what they going to say? They tried that 50%, and guess what? That exploded back on our face. So who knows what is going to be the next step that actually continues, but I have no idea, to be honest. You think we've got to be wearing masks a year from now? Yeah. I think you're wearing masks five years from now to go in public. Come on. I do.

Come on. You know how in China you'll see people always wearing masks that's a but that's also like a cultural thing and it's when they feel like they're getting sick if i'm sick i wear a mask well i don't know i i don't know if stores are going to it's all about the bottom line everything's about the bottom line and if the store wants you know if there's rules put in place where, hey, you have to come to the store with a mask, you're going to go in that store with a mask, you're going to say, hey, I'm not going in that store. That's my guess. Oh, my God. That's like a whole other frontier, too.

Like people decide, like, oh, they're maskless. Oh, they're masks. That's what I mean, yeah. And you already have that with states. I mean, fucking Florida right now. You know, it's like a whole different country down there. I haven't been, but a couple guys I had in here were there for like a month. They're like, there's some mess, but that's about it.

There was 30,000 people at the Cowboys game. Really? Yeah, every state is different. California, they're saying a year. Well, that's California. Yeah, the 49ers had to leave. Of course they're saying a year. Well, that's California. Yeah, the 49ers had to leave. Of course they're saying a year. California is insane.

Yeah. Did you read their holiday mask guidelines? No, but I'd love to hear it. Oh, my God. I had this. I had Horo in here like a month and a half ago before, you know, long before Thanksgiving or whatever it was, two months ago. And we were running through the guidelines. And basically, it's down to if you're outside, you must be wearing a mask, it must be 75% open or something like that. When you are inside,

if you are singing and chanting, chant and sing with a mask on and do it at a below vocal cord level of the room. I mean, it is insane how far they're going. And now all the people are leaving California. Oh, it's meant, you know, everybody's leaving. Everybody's leaving New York City. Everybody's leaving Philadelphia. That's why the prices of a house in the suburbs are, you know, $50,000 above ask, $100,000 above ask. What's the conspiracy there, man? Because these politicians in these cities are doing nothing to stop the spread of people leaving so the other pun right there they're not doing anything about it and they're just letting people walk out what that and you're talking big money's walking out yes you know what i mean have you seen miami what's happening there

no but i've i've been following more new york philadelphia you Staten Island, the islands. San Francisco, Silicon Valley is relocating to Miami. And not all of it yet, but Miami and Austin, Texas. Yeah, I've always said Silicon Valley was the smartest. It's like the smartest area around here. Yeah. They are the cutting edge. And I can see them doing that, moving to a state where, guess what? Money talks, Everything else walks.

Yeah, I just don't. Sometimes when things don't make sense, you just stare at it for a long time. And what doesn't make sense to me is if I were the mayor of a major city, and it was a stronghold even for my political party, which you can say about like new york and philly san francisco la i would be doing everything in my power to make sure people don't leave yeah so there might need to be some things where i piss people off because maybe i don't handle all of covid the right way which is a really morally slippery slope and all that but it's fair to say that these guys not only haven't done that but they've gone so extreme to handling it in all the wrong ways that it's it's disgusting i mean they are they are taking away people's livelihoods and openly allowing powerful people

in society to continue their livelihoods literally right in front of them this is basically you know the end of a lot of things. You're going to see big businesses going to step up in a big way after this. You're going to see more Amazon. You're going to see more FedEx, more UPS, more big – you're going to see a lot less small businesses, like a small mom and pop grocery store. You're not going to see as many of that anymore because they just can't handle it. They don't have the money coming in like they do.

And that's just the way it's going to be. It's a sad commentary, but I can't really argue with you. I mean, that's how they want it to be now. Yeah, I consider home an Amazon Fresh gets delivered right to my door. You don't see mom and pop, you know what I mean? It's sad because guess what? They are the staple of this country. Mom and pop stores. You know, anybody says, hey, we love going here, we love going there.

No one says, I love going there. You know what I mean? I love going to shop, right? What happens to them? What happens to them? That's the biggest question. What is going to happen? Because these big companies, a lot of them, even as they grow their scale, let's look at it this way. Per employee that they take from a company that they shut down,

they don't need to replace with one full employee on their end for when they create jobs and increase their scale. No. So I don't know what the ratio is, but also with machines and all that coming in, Amazon, if they put a small business of 10 employees out of business, they're not hiring 10 people because they did that. They're maybe hiring one, maybe, in that ratio. And it it's scary the sooner you're going to see the drones dropping packages

in major areas that's their biggest thing that they're really working on they're really getting it out there where the drone can carry up to like 30 pounds what's he doing what's jeff he's an industrious motherfucker i will give him that there's nothing he can't solve nothing he can't do he they say he might be the first trillionaire nothing he can't solve nothing he can't do he they say he might be the first trillionaire and he's gonna yeah he's gonna be well here's my thing on him i never cared i really didn't everyone it's so whenever you see one of the richest guys in the world the easiest thing to do is to hate them right because they have what you don't i never cared i was like all right you know i was a late adopter of amazon too like

i never even used amazon until maybe like a year and a half ago two years ago i never i never needed to i don't buy a ton of things and then i started using it and it's very very useful especially like with my business now so i liked it but when people would say oh he's such a scumbag and you shouldn't support you shouldn't shop there or whatever i'd be like look i don't know much more than you know his business history and the fact that he gets me my fucking shit to my front door when i want it and i and i appreciate it but i gotta say the last three months i've had a lot of people in in my years and one person in particularly a lot just going through and asking questions about things that Jeff Bezos does and it's not even putting on a conspiracy hat at all it's it's just saying like

let's look at the actions and let's ask our questions does this look normal and the fact of the matter is one of the early questions that really made me go oh was somebody said to me why why does Jeff Bezos need to buy the Washington Post and then plaster it on all of his electronic objects that he sells, be it the Alexa, be it the Kindle, whatever? Why does he need to do that? Why does he need to buy a newspaper, which even when newspapers were profitable and they're not, the Washington Post was losing money.

The size of that business compared to him deploying the same financial resources somewhere else in his own business, from profitability standpoint not even close no so what why is he doing that and then they're like why is he poking around at buying cnn and stuff and i try to stay above like this whole mainstream media crap because you basically just get left or right echo chambers but you have those echo chambers and he's i guess buying into the left side on this one but is he even left like what is he he's whatever makes sense for his pockets yeah that's my question like do you think that at all because obviously he wants to get his agenda he wants to get his agenda out there and what's a better way to get your agenda what's a better way to

get your stance out there than owning that what's his agenda how could i make more money yeah that's it now do you think that he could just be so lost in that that like he's not a bad guy he's just like so focused on it's it's a game it's always like oh i did this so now i have to go attack this because that's the next thing to do or do you think he's like no i want to take over the fucking world get out of my way that's a good question the dude started selling books yeah then he started selling washer machines like you would have told me people are buying books online and that turned in the like you know how big of a company is i would say yeah right who the hell's buying a book online but the dude did it you ever now look at it you ever seen the speech where he like was talking

about what he did at the beginning? Yeah, it's awesome. I'm Jeff Bezos and we sell books online. It's like one eye is going this way, another eye is going that way. And that dude is now like this going to be trillionaire. It's crazy. And he gave his wife how much? Like $37 billion?

And she donated like six? Something like that. didn't even affect him She does know she's no attention. No either. That's very interesting. Very weird She became like the richest lady in the in the States overnight. She's nothing She's more of a ghost than Lorene Powell. It was Steve Jobs wife exactly But you know Lorene Powell was a ghost when he was alive and everything so and it was a little when he was alive and everything so and it was a little bit of a different time but this woman like she's never mackenzie that's her name

right mackenzie bezos yeah mackenzie bezos yeah she's never done an interview on record and she was technically i don't even think technically so where i think she literally was one of the early founder employees of amazon that's why she got so much and she's smart as shit she was there from the jump street yeah that's sketchy yeah why not that's the question why not and she does so much philanthropy like she donates money she gives so much what is she hiding why is she not you know keeping keeping her face in the spotlight and maybe she's not that that's the other thing like we always have to look at this both ways maybe she's just a normal woman who happens to now have 37 billion and she's like i have no idea what to do with this

shit where do i start yeah yeah but you might not be and then you talk about philanthropy i mean people talk about like bill gates all the time yeah the gates foundation yeah now he's just a philanthropist yeah like to me especially when Gates Foundation. Yeah, now he's just a philanthropist. Yeah. Like, to me, especially when this is, like, your territory, because he's been so focused on influenzas for so long, which he's on record about. Like, let's give him that. Oh, yeah, he's been preaching this since, like, oh, wait, like, when Obama really got on the scene, they kind of teamed up, and they've been pushing that hard. Yeah.

Yeah. So, he's on record, So we'll give him that. But like leaving the board of Microsoft, I think he did it in February. Like the company he founded, you do it right before Corona. And I know some of that could be coincidental. But then when you're out there telling everyone, acting like you're the medical expert on it. Yes, dude, you own a foundation. You know a lot about this. There's no doubt about it. You are a coder. You're not medical expert on it. Yes, dude, you own a foundation. You know a lot about this. There's no doubt about it.

You are a coder. You're not a doctor. Leave that to them. Stay in your lane. Yeah, exactly. Like, if people want to argue over what Fauci says or whatever, okay. All right. That's a different conversation.

Like, he's a doctor. So bring another doctor to argue with him. Fine. But, like, when it's Gates, it's just so, I don't know. The red lights go up and i'm like i i do not trust anything i'm hearing right now and i don't even know what i'm hearing no it's crazy it's crazy i think so much happens behind scenes that it doesn't even matter what's said to the public yeah it doesn't matter you know they it's already been written what is

going to happen? They're just waiting to play it out the way they want. If ever anyone happened to end up in whatever room that is, just by happenstance, it's you. You're ending up in there like, oh, this isn't the bookie convention?

Oh, shit, I'm sorry. You don't need this room painted? Well, speaking of that, how's how is the bookie business been during this prolonged pandemic? No different than the stock market. No different than the housing market. People have nothing to do. What are they going to do? Gamble.

Now, what are they gambling on? I've seen people gamble table tennis at three o'clock in the morning. I've seen people gamble table tennis at three o'clock in the morning i've seen people gamble the craziest things you know e-gaming at two in the morning people have nothing to do idle hands idle minds terrible things are going to happen and it's no different for anything else when your clients want to go do this stuff and they want to go gamble on table tennis red flags are flying but yeah but do you have do they have to text you first and be no they have a limit and whatever your limit is played out now how close do you track the line are there even lines

on table tennis oh yeah i don't track them who the hell's tracking that it's like table tennis in like lucas suave something like it's not in the states it's way out tennis in, like, Lucasovia. It's not in the States. It's way out there in Eastern Europe. But how – I mean, you're on the hook for it. You've got to be able to balance the lines. No, I don't balance any of the lines. They balance all the lines. Yeah, Vegas does it. You just apply the line and let them go from there.

Got it. Yeah. So I assume a lot of that weird action was happening pretty quickly when this started because all sports shut down. Soccer was huge when it started. Remember, soccer was going down in Europe, England, before football, baseball, even KBO. People were gambling KBO. I was seeing like $2,000 a game.

Oh, when splits came back, you're saying. Remember KBO and soccer were the first ones that light up the KBO baseball league in South Korea I was unaware of that and people were betting the KBO like it was the MLB people were betting the Premier League like I've never seen

it's just the way it goes what was the time region on that the games would start around 5am.m. for the KBO. So people would get up, bed them, go back to bed. What time is that in Korea? That's like 9, 8, 9, you know, like 7 o'clock baseball game. It's 5 o'clock in the morning.

That's my pretty good, that's what I'm guessing. Because if you're going to have a baseball game, it's going to be, you know, 6 o'clock, 7 o'clock your time. 5 in the morning here. Did you have any trouble collecting from people who didn't want to pay up because they lost table tennis or for the fucking KBO? No. You know who has the money and who doesn't. So you know what I mean?

Someone who's gambling on table tennis isn't someone – it's a weird thing to say, but it's just the way it works. If something's available to be gambled on, they're going to do it. That's just the way it's going to be. What is it in humans, like in us, that makes us need the action on things? Because it's so true. It's the unknown. It's the unknown.

It's like, remember you were 19 and you had a fake ID, you went to the bar. It was awesome. I remember that. You're 21. Get away from it. I don't even want to go there. It it's doing something illegal it's doing something unknown it's that is the biggest draw it's having something that you know can i win or can i lose and you don't know yeah that's the draw well you saw it with because i guess it was like march 12th or 11th, the NBA shut down. And then all the other leagues by the next day followed suit.

And so then over the next five days, that's when quarantines rolled in and people started doing that. And you saw all these randos run to Robin Hood and like E-Trade. Stocks. And start buying the stock market. Stocks were so volatile after that. Like it was crazy. Yeah, but they're basically buying things that they have no idea

what they're buying. But little did they know that to be a day trader, to buy and sell stocks every day, you have to have $25,000 sitting in that account. Or else you've got to buy it. You can't buy and sell the same stock I think it's like three times a week without having $25,000. Something like that. Three different stocks. You have to have at least $25 25 000 in your account to do that but they could buy up

oh yeah they could buy a bucket of stocks buy as much as you want but you just can't sell that same stock in the same day yeah that's the rule yeah but it brought a lot of people in and then i always subscribe to or ascribe to however you say the taxi driver theory okay you ever hear that yeah or it's like the taxi driver says starts giving you stock picks like sell the fucking house yeah if he's heard if he's heard of it by now run that's what i'm saying and the taxi driver bells were going off yeah and like the end of march i'm going oh my god you got short this whole goddamn market and then it just kept going because, again, people had nothing to do, so they just kept doing it.

I remember taking a small dive right around the end of summer, and then once fall hit, oh, my God, it just took off. Yeah. And as far as, like, the action on NFL and, NFL and NBA is coming up now. Did you have a lot of action on the NBA when it came back in the bubble? Everything was huge. Nothing's bigger than the NFL. That's king.

Yeah. That'll always be king. That's what Americans love. But yeah, people loved it. And it's still the same kind of fervor. Just because, I mean, I'm looking at these games. It's empty stadiums. Nobody cares about that. Really?s. Nobody cares about that.

Really? I care about that. Well, I know the players and the coaches care about it too, but the camera doesn't care. Yeah. Home field advantage, so when you gamble for an NFL team, if you have home field, you get an extra three points for your line. Vegas gives you three points.

I don't know if they adjusted that without fans. That's a good question. Because you've got 70,000 people rocking that stadium. That changes the game. Totally. I mean, you watch some of these and there aren't home games. I guess Dallas, like you said, had 30,000

fans in there. But even that, they usually have what? Like 75? That's not a big deal. By the way, in Texas, that's like a Friday Night Lights game. Yes. Without the smaller stadium keeping the noise in. I think the stress of traveling with COVID really, I think that could worry a player.

I'm traveling, you know, when you're not supposed to travel. Yeah. And people were getting, how many players are, oh, he's on the COVID list. He's on the COVID list. Games had to be moved due to so many players getting it that's my thing man all of them are fine well you're talking about the best athletes in the world i know yeah all of them are fine they're back in a week ready to go it's crazy and it's it just it like sometimes i feel stupid with it because i'm like they take it so seriously on some things and it's like, there is not even a thought in your head like someone's going to have a problem.

It's like, oh, he got it. All right. You know. And remember they were joking around Rudy Gobert and Donovan Mitchell. Rudy Gobert, like, touched his mic. They were, like. They got backlash for that. They're cool now.

Yeah, they're great. I would be kind of upset, too. Because nobody knew then. No one knew. Oh, my God. Did I just get ate? What happened? He was running around the locker room saying the whole thing was a hoax.

Hoax, yes. He was like, this is a joke. This is a joke. He's like rubbing everything and shit. And then Mitchell got it. Dude, that was one of the craziest nights ever when that whole thing went down. Remember that NHL? Everything shut down.

It was like watching when you have the warehouse in the movie and they turn out the lights, all the LED lights, and you watch bang, bang, bang, bang, bang. Every light go out. That is pretty much what that Wednesday night of that week felt like because you just saw Adam Silver cancel the season you you saw the president schedule an oval office thing for 9 30 then you watch the NHL come in I think they canceled that night too all the other leagues start like talking behind the scenes like oh we're gonna cancel surreal man yeah what the NBA did was unbelievable that how they planned that and executed it not one player not one Adam Silver is, in my lifetime of any league, he is the most impressive commissioner I have ever seen.

Yeah. And he's the most loved. Everybody loves him. Great guy. He finds a way to play that middle ground like you can't believe. Because David Stern, a lot of guys hated him. A lot of players hated him a lot of players hated him but sorry no he was incredible league yeah he made that league that league was

struggling until he got there that's my point yeah he adam silver finds a way to do an effective job on a level that david stern did it and also have everyone love him. Yes. That's crazy. Yeah. Very hard to do. They love him. Because he knows it's a player's league, but there's got to be money made at the same time. So he's filling the owner's pockets while keeping the players happy as well. That's the hardest part. And Stern came in. I mean, they were playing.

It was like 1984. They were playing NBA games on tape delay like two days later. Yeah. And he had Magic and Bird in there. And he was like, what They were playing NBA games on tape delay like two days later. Yeah. And he had Magic and Bird in there, and he was like, what the fuck, guys? I think we can do something here. And he was such a good businessman, but he didn't – he recognized it like he completely worked for the owners, which is the job of the commissioner. You work – you are hired by the owners, and you work for the owners, and your your job is to like they say all around it's to make fucking money money and he took the game to china and that's what started making the big bucks they were already making big bucks but that's what made it

really grow to another level you ever see what he said about that though which he's settled he's been on he's maybe been interviewed about like 100 times about that so which one back when they did it no i mean i i you'd have to refresh my memory but i saw this because he died like yeah no it's like the first of the year this year 2020 but he did an interview with the new york times like one of those written interviews where it's not videoed but they just give the transcript i never get that bold text like yeah yeah it's like it's like just just put it put it on camera but anyway i guess it was maybe like oh three or oh four something like that i'll find it after the show and i'll put it in the show notes but he they wrote in the article and we asked this question to stern about the league's relationship with china and he uncharacteristically

let out a an ominous face or something like that and then he explained he said look my job is to make money for the owners and the chinese market is enormous and they love the game over there and so obviously we want to bring the game to the people it solves two things but he said it does keep me up at night, or something along those lines, that that is a chicken that's going to come home to roost at some point because we are dealing with a country that is not free. We are dealing with a country that is at the control of their government,

and everything we do is appeased through them. Absolutely. And now we're seeing that start to happen. Yeah. They shut their country down in no time. If you were saw on the street, you were arrested. Yeah, I laugh, but it's... Like, did you see the maps?

Their internet is so censored there. It's amazing. Dude. They don't have Twitter. They have nothing. They don't have Facebook. They don't have Google. They don't have twitter they have nothing they don't have facebook they don't have google they don't have any of that they have all the chinese versions of it and the government gets to see what it is and if you get caught like like you know getting into that oh my god you're doing 10 years in prison oh my god yeah yeah yeah but they their government uses it because their their government after remember the whole mori thing daryl mori

yeah with the hong kong what he said yeah he was like free it's back beginning of october 2019 during the preseason he said fight for freedom fight for hong kong or something like that on twitter and so the chinese that's what caused the whole riff because the chinese government blew a gasket yeah oh my god the nba said this about hong kong how dare they yeah and he got all this backlash but the wall street journal did an amazing report that they brought out like i don't know two weeks later maybe and no one paid attention to it but they tracked all the troll accounts that came in on his tweets and they were all emanating from China using a VPN to get outside the wall of the country and basically repeating Chinese Communist government propaganda it's amazing because 20 years ago China was nothing and they put they back all their money

into the internet all their money into just the next level science and the internet and how that works look at them now when when did you start noticing china was an issue when everything i bought said made in china i mean that's kind of always been the case. But, you know, everything, Apple, everybody that is making major money in this country is making their products overseas in China. You'll see it's made in China, assembled in China. The iPhone, made in China, assembled in China. Just wait. You know what I mean? They're paying people 17 cents an hour.

So the shipping it back and forth is nothing because they're making it for pennies on the dollar. Because they don't, you know. Yeah, the government runs the country then they decide what's going to happen and if they want to you know amazon app if they want those monster companies to come here it's totally wrong but guess what it's the bottom line is what talks the loudest the way it's always going to be and it's never going to change they use our free markets against us absolutely because if we come in and say you can't do that now it's always going to be, and it's never going to change. They use our free markets against us. Absolutely. Because if we come in and say, you can't do that, now it's not a free market. Oh, I can't go where I get the best labor to be able to return value to my shareholders? And then they smash the American public by saying, do you want to pay 300 times the amount of what you already paid for this?

Oh, no, we don't. Okay, then. Shh. Exactly. And that's the danger, too, because, like, and that's what you saw, the problem with the NBA, with China, because everyone got real fucking quiet about China after that happened. You know, yeah. Some of the owners, they all have ties overseas there. Yeah, man. And regardless of, because all the owners, not all of them, but a lot of them are predominantly donors of one of the two parties.

Regardless of party, man. They're tied. Yeah. And a lot of them will donate the boat, too, just to cover their ass. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's the oldest trick in the book. Shit, that's what Trump did for like 40 years.

He's the king. Yeah. He had Schumer coming in, and when he walked out, Cruz is coming in. Covered every end. Yeah, man. It's so corrupt. It's so crazy. And it's never going to change. And people think, oh, coming in. Covered every end. Yeah, man. It's so corrupt. It's so crazy. And it's never going to change.

And people think, oh, this president's going to change this, this guy. No, they're not. Because you know what's not going to change? The bottom dollar. And until you change money, which you'll never change, you're not changing a thing. Yeah. And everyone has their political awakening if they have it at some point different in in their life or maybe it's a lot of people when they're younger but there's always that moment where you actually think oh this is gonna be the answer this is gonna be the one this is it yeah we got

we got it and then oh no yeah no it's not they give you a check for 600 bucks and it's basically like here's a personal go fuck yourself here's 600 bucks go buy go buy lunch for the week the no-show jobs were getting more than that per hour yeah i mean it's absolutely it's like and i know people look at other countries and what they're doing for their people and can't argue with it i mean i don't have the numbers in front of me but other countries were like paying out 1200 stipends at some point the danger is i'm not defending the government on this but the danger becomes a how much currency do you print and b how many things do you create that then you never get

people off and now the government 10 years later yes and they're all more powerful those are the slippery slopes absolutely but i mean the fact that they just threw and no one talks about they just threw four trillion dollars or whatever it was at the problem and suddenly oh we're good and printed the money right behind it yeah printed it yeah and people look everyone's got a life like they're worried about their own shit they don't pay attention to this stuff but we don't think about how where i had x amount of paper i now add x plus four trillion yeah it's worth less yeah it'll well it right now it might not be but eventually yes correct it has to balance out correct because we haven't had it really hasn't hit too too hard yet

on like the price action but it doesn't do that right away as you said it it can take a couple years just like when the housing market crashed in 07 they expected it to crash the big the people that knew what they were talking about expected to crash like a year or two before that it just takes time there's so many people trying to fight against that happening and your dad's always had a contracting business right for 35 years he's owned it right so did he see anything there to be able to say i see something wrong absolutely like what everybody was losing their house nobody was getting their houses painted nobody's getting work done what happened was he shifted to apartments everybody's moving to apartments because they've lost their houses when was that

oh seven oh eight oh nine he said they were really tricky yeah that's what i'm saying so like oh seven business like you know businesses are around for 80 years, 100 years lost. It's just the way it goes. No one had anything. Yeah. I mean, they were giving out mortgages. To anybody. One-page paper. You didn't even need to show proof of income to get a house. You just needed that 20%.

You were called a ninja. That's literally what it was called, a ninja. Yeah. And then how did he get through that because i mean oh nine ten there's nothing happening just reputation great marketing just you know certain public certain people have money are always going to have money and yeah you got to be in with that niche you got to you know get frugal and that's the way that's the way it happened the people people that survived that really took a couple steps forward after that.

Once everything settled, businesses really got back to being good again. Yeah. But if you didn't pivot, you drowned. His business had to pivot to another direction. Instead of painting a half-million-dollar, million-dollar house, you can go and paint a Section 8 apartment for the government. And the first point you made back there is even more relevant just because the people who had money and were able to at least hold on to some while that was all going down, it takes money to make money. Yeah.

So you come to the other side. They can – it's – maybe the analogy is like when a biker is behind another biker and they're going up a hill and there's a downhill on the other side. When the first biker gets that downhill, they're going to be picking up more ground than you're going to be able to pick up once you get to the downhill and they're wherever the hell they are on them. Absolutely. Because you're going uphill, and most of society is going uphill. So you saw out of the housing crisis the greatest wealth gap generation ever. Oh, my God. Until Corona.

The rich got astronomically richer and the middle class got kind of wiped out after that. The middle class really took a few steps back after 2007. Yeah. And that's why when people were really touting the stock market like oh we're gonna be all right and like end of june or end of april into may i'm thinking to myself first of all you had a lot of companies in the stock market that were doing badly and then companies that were just doing great because of this who were carrying it all and averaging it out but on top of that this was representative of a certain part of society.

They're not taking into account all of the middle class small businesses you allude to. They're not taking into account those communities. You come last. You come last. Yeah. And it's just the way it's going to be. And people hate it.

Guess what? You can only do one thing. Better your chances, work harder, and sometimes you've got to roll the dice. And that's the way it's going to be. Yeah, they've got to become a client of yours. That's it, yeah. Give it to me.

How did you build that book? How long have you had it? It really, I didn't build it. It was a good friend of mine's, and I would, you know, like I was a procurer of sorts. I knew people that wanted action. I would bring the action in and take a percentage. And that's just the way it worked, and then eventually just build your way up.

Now, would you sneak around and – I don't mean sneak around, but just be constantly asking people, you bet on games like a salesman in any other job? No, because that's bad business. I don't know what you have. No, I'm saying before you got into this because you said you knew people who wanted the action. You got to know them. People love gambling. People talk about it.

Hey, I got $100 on the Knicks. Oh, you do? Who do you put your action with? Oh, you do? What if I gave you 10% on your losses? So when you lose, you're going to have to give me 90%. Oh, you would do that? Yeah.

You do that? Yeah. A lot of people do that. That's business yeah what's 10 when you know yeah it's a that's a good investment it's a good investment i mean up in north jersey you go like this walk outside i mean there's a bookie walking down so i never had to worry about it but i also never i've never been one to gamble on games. I love sports since I was a kid, but I always was aware of it. I actually ran a sports book for like two days in high school. It didn't go well. You've got to get lucky.

Yeah, I mean like some of the creativity now that people do this, it's pretty crazy just because it's so – like you said, it's always been around, but the internet really changed the speed and volume at which people can do this. Say the Giants get a first down. You can get that live action, right? Ooh, the Giants look pretty good. Let me get a live action live. You can bet. There's no more, I got to get the bet in by 1 o'clock.

You can get the bet in at 1.10 now, 1.15. You know, there's no more, yo, Jim, I want to get 500 on the Yankees. There's no more of 115. There's no more, yo, Jim, let me get 500 on the Yankees. There's no more of that. There's no more of that. No, and even if you don't have to put a debit card up and everything's cashed, there's still no more of that because everything's done on a website. And what website do you use? There's a million different websites out there that are all overseas balanced.

Now, how does that work? I've never looked into this. I got a buddy who's big at a company called PointsBet. So I really should have asked him about this, but I haven't yet. What's the story with what's legal to have located on U.S. soil versus what's not? And then how many of them still go overseas even if they could be legal here? And what's the impetus to do that?

Well, are you paying taxes? Because if you are, it here and what's the what's the impetus to do that well are you paying taxes because if you are it's legal well well here's the game say you go overseas and you want to you know use their book well you got to rent seats renting seats means say i have 100 gamblers and i want them all to have an account well that costs around eight to twelve dollars an account you got to pay per week or they have a monthly figure you can use. That way, they're making something. They're not paying you, and you're not paying them. You're only paying them for their services. They balance the book for you.

They control the numbers. They go to Vegas and get the lines. They have everything live. They do all of that. You have to come up with the money for your people but you have to pay them and that's it so they they basically take a vig they basically take a rake a rake of each yes so you have 100 accounts you got to pay 800 you know whatever 800 a week to them now do you know a lot of guys who operate offline still i personally don't no i don't think anybody because nobody

how are you going to write it all down in a book a lot dude there's a lot of guys in North Jersey I'm sure old school guys but I personally don't everybody I know does that

yeah where they'll you know everything's online and I get to check my balance just go click your history and it's all it's all taken care of

it's all taken care of now how often do you look at it though because people are betting on shit all over the world, apparently. Every couple hours. You setting alarms in the middle of the night? No, that's a very rare occurrence. It honestly is. And that's very rare.

Only when the Indian Cricket League is in the finals. Indian plays England in the cricket finals. It just, it's... You know, like, say you can go online right now, and right now the Steelers are playing. You can bet the Steelers right now live. It's that.

But guess what? I don't have to give you my debit card information. I don't have to, you know, I don't have to pay taxes on it. Me and you will meet up at a certain number at the end of the week. How does that go? Easy. You never have a problem? No.

Because you have to know your, I'm sure there's people that problem? No. Because you have to know your... I'm sure there's people that do have problems, but you have to know your clients. So you know your clients are not going to be Welchers before you take them on? No. You got to know they have money. If you don't have a job,

you're not getting an account. Fair. So you don't have to walk around with the Louisville? No. And I would never do that. That would never be me. I'm not that kind of guy. You sold that very well.

Yeah. Well done. It's not me. Guys, I kind of believe him. I'm looking at him. He practiced that one in the mirror. I'm serious. It's just, it's not like that for me.

It's more of a way to enjoy myself and gamble at the same time and provide a service. You're providing a service. You're dedicated. You're on the ball all the time. I will never forget sitting at a wedding of which I will not name what wedding it was and there's a speech

going on. I don't remember who it was. Maybe it was like the man of honor given the uh the speech for for the groom and something like that but there were like tears going on every there's not a dry eye in the place everyone's like invigorated and ant leans over me and elbows me like halfway through and he goes dude dude the links are getting six points in the second half of the wmba you can't lose i love the wmba call me degenerate but women's basketball is pretty much cut and clear a lot of more you know i i have way better numbers but in the wmba

than i do the nfl why is that because they're the bookies are lazy on it no it's not even vegas is great it's guess what some some of them women are just better than the other women and i don't know why it translates to that but guess what they they basically know who's going to win it all at the end before the year starts now do you think that guys like you are going to be gone in five ten years no it's never going to be gone never love doing something illegal no not because of that i agree it's a huge space the space is only growing yeah i mean you look at the data and and oh my god sometimes i get a feel for it like you're talking about just like knowing

people and whatever and i know it's huge but like you look at the data it's like oh my god they know that the worst of us is going to come out yeah but i'm talking about finding a way where a lot of these platforms which are centralized platforms whether it's through like new regulations you see things loosening up around the country here or whatever it is where now suddenly they don't need you as a middleman they just go straight to the customer on everything because that that does already exist let's be honest heavily but for your kind of action. Well, they offer, you could see, oh, your first $500 bet's free. You'll see that a lot. Or you'll see, you know, you bet $10 on the Yankees and, you know, you can win $300.

That's the way they're trying to pull people in. But you also have to put your money up front. You can't just put a bet in without transferring funds into that account with us. There's none of that. So people love to gamble without putting a number up there first where everything's taken on the arm. And they get to pay later or get paid later. Yeah. I guess, yeah, because in casinos, I mean, that's the order of business.

You got to be able to pay to play for everything. There's no free riding whatsoever. Never been that way. But I kind of wonder how that's even going to go. Have you been to AC at all during this whole thing? Once. There's plastic everywhere. Say this is a round table.

There's plastic dividing every section where a player would play and in front of the dealer. At every single table? Every single table. Are in front of the dealer. At every single table? Every single table. Are there parts of the casino that's closed down? Yeah, there's a lot of it that's closed down. There's no more smoking. There's so many rules.

It's amazing. Where'd you go? I walked through Hard Rock. And I was like, oh my god. Dude, I was in the Hard Rock a bunch right before Corona, but we were in there for a bachelor party like four or five weeks before Corona. And it's crazy. Like now that was a long time ago. And it's crazy to me because I'm pict believing something over time and it just keeps on getting more and more strict, you get very hopeful about things that are just slightly less strict versus, oh my god, not that long ago we were allowed to do this.

Like we were all the way over here. Yeah. It's crazy. And I wonder if anyone's going to be able to rip off the band-aid with that so i mean you're you're really down on it you're saying well who's first who's first is my question who is going to say you know what i'm taking a shot you're either going to fall on your face or you're going to come out swinging and win there's no in in-between. That's what I mean. And the government, that's the biggest thing. It's up to the government.

It's not up to you. It's not up to Wawa. It's up to them. What they say goes. And that's the problem. How do you enforce it, too? What do you mean? Say if the store says, not coming to wear a mask.

How do you enforce it? And the government says this. If the government says, no more masks, but the store says, oh, I want you to wear a mask how do you enforce it and the government says this you know you you know if the government says no more masks but the store says oh i want you to wear a mask how do you enforce them to wear a mask is what i'm saying i mean i the obvious answer is people are going to call the cops but have you seen the videos of this like when this happens crazy people go nuts these cops i feel i feel bad for them because that's the worst job in America right now, being a cop. Think about it. And I'm generalizing right now.

This is a huge generalization I'm about to make, but let's just do it for argument purposes based on videos we're seeing online. You had all the protests in June and throughout the summer, and it's still kind of going in some ways, but the heavy ones were in every city in June. And the sentiment was very angry police because of some of the things that had happened this year and there was a lot of generalization where they were saying all cops bad and and defund this and whatever and so there was all this tension and you saw the typical political divide where the

strongest fervent people coming out for cops were your typical old school conservative small business owner type people, right? Yeah. And again, generalization, huge generalization, but let's just use it for the sake of argument. And now six months later, when you see these videos come up, it's a cop that gets called to these businesses that get reported or whatever yeah and the cops just doing their job like they're they're required to show up and enforce the law like the guys who were shutting down the dude at tillis gym like left and right in belmar half those guys they don't want to fucking do that but they're told they have to do it so it's not their problem but still they're the messenger and you shoot the messenger every time you now see the same quote-unquote small business regular old school american

conservatives screaming at the cops yeah it's like this giant circle of life just got whipsawed around and i i can't really process it in my head it It's just so confusing to me. But where does that end? Do now all cops have no friends or people who are constantly questioning everything they do? I mean, not that it's here, but you look in Europe. They're trying to – when they're in the streets fighting for their businesses, they're trying to kill these damn cops. It's money. So people forget that cops go home. Yeah.

People forget they're just people. Yeah. They just want to do their job and go home yeah and people forget that you know and it's i understand one bad cop it's all it takes to start something but 98 of them are fine and good people yeah it's just that one bad cop and people take it so far not even putting a number on on it because I don't have them in front of me and I don't want to get yelled at. But you have the bad eggs who are just bad guys. You have your Derek Chauvins like who are just bad humans. Yeah. No doubt about it. The other issue though, and this is something I talked to my neighbor about because he was an ex-cop, like undercover cop, hole nine in Philly for like 20 years, like knows what's going on.

And he's just – he's so conflicted because he loved that job and he loved so many of the guys he works with. But he also recognizes, especially working in a city, like there's some shit there. Oh, yeah. recognize especially working in a city like there's some shit there oh yeah he said one of the big problems is that you have guys who are inherently good like you say who just don't want to get involved when they see shit that they're like oh fuck that and so then it gets enabled and then when it all comes out a brotherhood yeah you don't tell on your brother that's the problem him taking money you telling him you're ostracized. You're done if you go and talk. Yeah. You don't do that.

That's the biggest problem. You ever see the movie Serpico? Yes. Great movie. Yeah. I mean, that's... I know that's 40 years ago, but... It doesn't change anything.

It's the same thing. Yeah. There was another one on Netflix, like a documentary on a really dirty precinct in New York. What the hell was that called? It's called like the 415 a really dirty precinct in new york what the hell was that called like the 415 something like that like in new york yeah like the five seven they were selling drugs they were doing whatever it took but that's what they said too they're like you get in it would go so far that all the guys would get indoctrinated into it but then the few guys that didn't still didn't report because it was like you do that you're done you'll never be a cop

again and the guys who were talking about it are the ones who were bad who then went to jail and now they're like yeah that was really a shame but they were the same guys pressuring that dude to do it with them yeah and then to shut his mouth when he didn't they would just intimidate people on the street like it was nothing nothing Nothing. Take whatever they wanted. It was, you know, people get that power and it can go one or two ways. You can either control it or you can just completely lose your mind with that power. Because guess what? People are, you know, that's why people don't trust cops anymore.

Because of that. Yeah. One cop does that, takes it way too far, and it's just embedded that, oh, no, don't trust the cops now. That's the biggest problem. Video doesn't help. Oh, my God, no. Everything is on camera.

It only takes one incident to change one person's mind. Once in a while, you'll see the feel-good post where someone shows a good video of a cop having a good interaction, which I appreciate. I wish we saw more of that. You'll never see that on the news. That's the point the fact of the matter is the ones that come around every day yeah i mean you still see it every day popping up there's something it's always like a oh that was really bad yeah shouldn't have done that and it's that negativity bias we have but it's you can't not have incentives for stuff that's my biggest thing it's like when you go

to do what you do because you do a bunch of different things not just not just bookmaking like you got to make money right so if we want to have good police forces where they're where people feel compelled to uphold their own as well like not just themselves but if they see bad shit in their police force they're going to report it and they're not going to be screwed you have to be able to incentivize that through making the career more attractive too and it's not it's not you make what like 60 grand 70 grand as being a beat street cop. Let's say that once you start to make it, though, I won't even say detective, but you start rising up through the ranks.

Stop looking like you're invading Poland. Exactly. I knew it was coming. I knew it. That was the first one. It's been a while. I was expecting like five in the first five minutes of the Sopranos drops, but that was pretty good.

But let's say you're working in a big suburban town like not even a city like the towns we live in sure and then you rise up through the ranks and maybe you're making you're 40 years old and you're making 120 i don't know i'm throwing out numbers absolutely they can do that around here it's still like there's still a huge ceiling on it everyone's also got the question on whether or not their pensions are going to be funded by the time they get there at this point yeah absolutely and frankly living in a decent part of the country where there's decent expenses and everything and you got a family and stuff 120 000 isn't an investment banker it's not like you are not

powerful economically in that way no and so And so there's already low incentive for it. $120,000, you'll save, what, maybe $5,000 to $10,000 a year? Maybe. You need a wife that matches that income. Correct. To actually enhance where you are in life. You know what I mean? To actually take a step forward.

I will never forget up in new york i was living there in the summers when i was dating a girl in in college and one morning i i had a job up there and so i'd be driving at like 5 a.m to to go get the job done and then come back and so one morning i have on wfan and it's you know that's the big sports station up in new york for people that don't know and i will never forget this but this ad comes on like a full blown 60 second spot and it's got like the inspirational music in the background or whatever and i'm like oh what's this it had like a weird sound to it. And a voice comes on and goes, join the NYPD. Oh, yeah.

And then it doesn't say like, protect, serve, duty, honor, like the Marines put on TV, which is fine. It says, you will get a 401k. You will get benefits for your healthcare. You could have a life.

It's like selling all these things. And I'm looking at the clock. I'm looking at what the station is. I'm realizing it's a Saturday morning at 5 a.m. And I'm like, who the fuck is listening to this right now? Like there's some guy out in Long Island working some weird job who's never had any sense of justice in his life. Doesn't give a fuck about it. Who's like, well, shit, sign me up.

Give me a gun. Let's go. Let's party. And that's the problem because they already didn't have the incentive. So they have all these people who are like, oh, I think I'll do that because I at least get my benefits and stuff. And, oh, I get to carry a gun. Cool. So you're attracting the wrong people.

Absolutely. Like I said, they're just regular people. People forget that. Like that situation pops off. I know they're trained for it, but guess what? They might not have seen an action like that in 20 years. People expect them to do the right thing. Someone pulls a gun on you. You're no different

than me or you. People don't realize that. They're just regular guys or women. And their training is so bad. So terrible because it's money. It costs money to train them. And you're not talking about training one or two people. You're talking about training your whole force. Millions of dollars. And when you bring that to your township or you bring that to your god forbid you got to train a city force oh yeah no they're gonna say no but they want to defund

that the same people who are pissed at this want to defund the police and let me take the other side of that side as well there are we don't give these people attention but there are a lot of people in there who are just saying that to get people to the table to talk about improving certain systems and improving what cops deal with and what they don't yeah that's not what people hear though defund the police is a terrible line and the people who actually mean it they're like take all the money out of it what the fuck is that gonna do that's gonna make it way worse it's not gonna fix one thing it's not gonna fix one thing if anything you know they gotta take some of the hats away from the cops cops have to wear less hats yes you know like a fireman he just puts fires out yeah a cop oh my god he's gotta be a social worker yes you know he's gotta be a

fighter some days he's gotta do so much and it's just not fair yeah i had terrence jones in here to talk about that and and go through like when when some people that he even associates with will say defund the police and he's like well and i didn't agree with everything he said but he made a lot of great points and he was he was saying basically there are certain things like especially around mental health it's like why even put that on the cops? Why make them deal with that if we have people who are psychologically trained to do it and we can keep the environment somewhat safe? Let's do it. Where I draw the line is like when they talk about saying, well, maybe cops shouldn't deal with domestic violence. I draw the line there.

Like when I hear stuff like that because I'm thinking if they go somewhere and there's a really fucked up guy yeah i hope to god they don't have to take out the gun but you know thinking of the woman they got to do it i'd rather them have the option to do it but then they got to be trained to do it too most of the times domestic violence doesn't end well no first couple times it could be you know all right all right eventually it's going to get ugly and ugly and uglier but I mean what was the one in the one video the Jacob Blake guy was that his name

the guy that got killed no he got paralyzed he got shot going to the door of the car yeah Jacob Blake did you see the cop carrying the gun there yeah donut patrol exactly donut dude

they had they they i don't get it just grab they let him go yeah they let him go sir sir sir stop stop sir stop don't go in your car like like his arms are literally like locked in like this i thought who's who's the cop in uh in die hard who's like literally eating the donut in the car yeah who shoots the guy at the end and he's shooting him like this yeah and you're like supposed to believe that that's that's how it's done yeah like it's just sometimes you watch it and you're like oh no like obviously it's tragic every time but you you know what's happening before you even see the video and you're just like oh no like obviously it's tragic every time but you you know what's happening before you even see the video and you're just like oh no like he doesn't oh no he's not ready for this no he got his card

no he was not ready and and then you know sometimes it's cut and dry cut and dry yeah and the shauvin one wasn't a gun but there was i mean you know on his neck like yeah yeah that that one was just horrific humane wise but then when you see these guys with guns i've seen the ones where like the guys running away and they shoot him in the back and it's like what are you doing what are you doing yeah what are you doing just let him run okay we'll get i'll get my car knock i'm getting we'll get to you later yeah buddy but you know what it's the same problem though because then people say oh well if he runs away and and i'm not talking about the egregious situations that i was just pointing to where it's like no question about it was basically an innocent guy but like

some of the ones where it's a violent person who got away from the cops if it's in the heat of the moment and he got away and he's a danger to society i get it because if they don't take action and then he runs and commits crimes or like crashes into a tree and and takes another car with him and kills a couple people it's it's it's the city getting sued and other lives getting lost. That's why each cop has to know each situation is different. Yeah. And you have to be able to understand, hey, this guy might not do, you know what I mean?

But you need to be ready to act at any time. And that's the problem. They're not ready. Yeah. Like I said, like, that guy ran around his car. They let him go into his car, reach around for things and then they shoot him in the back stop him the second he tries to get into that car yeah i gotta go see that one again but it's i guess sometimes like there's the argument that like so many things are happening so

fast but i you know i also talked to my neighbor about that and he was saying one of the things he said is that a lot of these departments that i believe he told me it's different from department to department they have it set based on like city governance or whatever but a common line you will see is that i forget the term for it but where they say they have the authority to use deadly force because they're in danger he said a common line for that is 50 feet he said now look if a guy's got a gun different story i mean because it doesn't matter as long as he's not farther than 100 yards from you you're in trouble if he does something with it but he said imagine somebody with a knife 50 feet away you're telling me that he's gonna close 50 feet within like three seconds yeah i didn't know he's a track star yeah yeah not happening yeah he said they use that as like oh he's 50 feet let's go and they just go straight

to it and he goes i want to get that out of police forces because they're basically going into the situation saying, I got the crutch. No problem. I can use it. He's like, now, five feet, different story. Like, you do what you got to do. But it's just like these are the little details that we don't think about in society, but it's very relevant. And it's where they run into problems and by the way even in today's society a lot of things get brushed under the rug and people don't look at it because it's

like oh you know it was a violent person and there's no video of it yeah and you know he was within the deadly force area he's within that five feet are any of these cops even pulling people over these days like are they making what are the Like, are they making money? What are the rules? Yeah. Are you allowed? Like, what are the rules? Are you allowed to pull somebody over right now? I don't even know. Is there quotas right now? I'm sure there's still. You better get out there and make that money, boy.

Or you want a new vest? You better go pull, like, 60 quotas. I mean, I don't see. I think on the road, I've passed, like, two cops. And they've been just sitting there killing. Texting. Yeah. Where's the money?

Not taxes. Who knows? Oh, man. Can't pay... Maybe that's why they can't pay the people. The cops aren't pulling over enough of us. And if they are, they can't come near you. How am I going to give you a ticket if I can't go near you?

That's what I'm saying. Like, what are they even... What's the process? Let's go try it out. Let's go get pulled over. We'll find out. Yeah, let's go do it. We'll go find... We've got to find one on the Garden State Parkway. Speaking of that, yeah. I remember the time we didn't get pulled over. It was me, a few of my buddies.

This was a while ago. And I don't condone this. We all fell asleep in the car. i wake up and the car is going like i feel like i'm on a boat rocking and we're running over mailboxes i'm like yo wake up so what was happening everybody fell asleep drunk was like four in the morning but i don't condone that you know that's you know oh wait he started driving yeah oh no that's what i mean like that's kind of you're getting pulled over for doing that it's like man i don't know that's what i mean like what is what's gonna happen society is just everything's a little upside

down right now yeah and you know that's another thing. People will make mistakes, and who says this mistake's worse than that mistake to call the cops? Yeah, but it's still – hold on, though. There's still a math problem, though. Yeah. Forget the fact that the – and we joke about the government's paid people $1,800 like a person will go fuck yourself, which is nothing. But they've had to print $4 trillion just to get shit like that happening and you have people staying home more than on average you have people driving less than on average obviously this year you are not therefore collecting the same number of tolls and day-to-day taxes the cops are obviously pulling over less

people where do you get the money the money is not coming in so it doesn't make sense that things are going up you know the stock market is going to the roof uh the housing market's going to the roof but where are people you know everybody they're saying all these jobs are going on you know but where's the money coming from the ppp loans are done like people burn through that so it's over yeah absolutely i mean i guess it's kind there has to be some form of trickle down but it's so hard to think about yeah because like amazon again only employs so many people and they don't pay them much the people that you see don't make much they make i mean they're up to 15 now at a minimum, but still. That's what a lot of their employees are.

They're not making much money. Absolutely not. And there's so many of them. And you really think we're wearing masks five years from now? Well, what's going to change that? Because isn't it in England right now coronavirus mutated and the vaccine doesn't work? That was only the news. I remember reading that yesterday.

So there you go. At some point, I'm telling you this. In herd immunity, no one's ever going to allow that to happen. That might be the only way, but no one's ever going to. Allow to happen is one way to put it. But the other way to put it is how where is the line for people this is something i think about a lot yeah everyone's got a line and when i say everyone i'm not talking on an individual basis right now this is something the entire country's dealing with yes if there's

a few states that are dealing with it less than say here fine but they're the exception not the rule absolutely and at some point especially people sitting at home more time to be on their phone more time to look through the internet get in trouble on a lot of little rabbit holes at some point you are gonna have this i don't know what the term is for it maybe it's i don't mean to be dramatic but some form of like uprising where people are like nah i. I can't do this anymore. Yeah. I'm surprised it hasn't happened yet to be honest with you.

Maybe that's $600 keeping from doing it. Well, look. I mean there have been other ways that people have rebelled and there is a lot of talk online. But again, that's talk. That's hiding behind a keyboard. Say just for instance everybody has to get COVID. They say everybody gets COVID in two weeks to get back to normal. Only the strong survive.

What would happen then? I know it's terrible. It's never going to happen. Do you want my actual opinion on that? What if someone proposed that everybody has to get it, and in two weeks we're back to normal, but guess what? Only the strong survive like in the past. It's a beautiful question. Not a beautiful question.'s a terrible word it's it's a brilliant question what is it brilliant guess what two weeks we're back we're ready to go and everything's back to

normal in two weeks because it's a hypothetical that i never say never on stuff these days but pretty close to never would happen and it's it's that moral question that you don't want to ask but if if i had to choose if you were saying to me that's the only way we go back to normal even not into perpetuity i mean like over the next five years that's the only way that we go back to normal within that time frame i'm doing it absolutely i'm doing it man like and and it sucks there statistically there will be people i know including people who are in shape yes who get it the wrong way and die i might i might like but that's the thing like when i'm making these arguments with people and discussing it i preface things i say by making it very clear that there's

been some people very close to me in my life who you know i was up in north jersey when this thing was hidden yeah when i had a storm new york city and then the areas right around it was insane new york city got smashed right and so i knew people who had this bad i i've said it before on a podcast one guy i know very well was on a respirator in a coma for 55 days he lived which is like stunning but amazing amazing story but i know how bad this can get when it gets bad i also though look at the bigger picture and i look at the fact that there's a lot of people who the virus is so dangerous they have to test themselves six straight days just to know if they have it yeah and. And it's a matter – it seems to me like there's a huge matter of luck just based on viral load you get, genetics.

I don't know. But you can't drag the worst onto everyone else, and this is where it gets interesting because I saw a letter from an er doc in new york city he was the best friend of a guy i know and it got passed along this is march this is at the very beginning and this guy wrote a letter he had been on the ward for like four straight days so he had eight hours off or something and he wanted to sit down and and give his thoughts from being eyes on the ground, running to the ER. And so what he said is that what you're hearing on the news in these New York City hospitals, what it looks like in the hospitals, it's true. It is ugly. We are past capacity. These places you see us building just to have beds, it's real. it's it's it's a mess but there's this concept that we look at death from two angles and he explained that you can look at it from what is my chance to survive versus what is my chance

to die yeah that negativity bias absolutely he said the fact is of the people that come in the hospital i forget his exact number but it was in the neighborhood of 97 to 98 percent of them live walk out of there and they're fine absolutely and he was saying regardless of age just overall when and i'm sure older people were a little more fucked and you know but let's just there's a sliding scale right and so he said it's ugly we have more than we can handle and it's this whole unprecedented situation but he said now think of think of it from the context of a cancer diagnosis, which statistically a lot of Americans get usually later and said, I have some really bad news for you. You have cancer. Your whole body sinks.

When a patient gets told that, they go, oh my God. It's a shot in the gut. It's a shot in the gut. He said, what is the question they always ask right after that? How long do I got? No. That would be my first question. And it goes right to, all right, I'm dying.

What do I got? How much longer do I have to live? And in this case, the doctor would be like, whoa, slow your roll. Because what he said is that most people would ask, what are my chances? And so doctors give a percentage. He said, when I have to have this conversation with someone, and I just call it like a polyp or, you know. Something I'll cut out. Yeah, a segment of cancer cells. They're never, I know i know in my head they're never gonna have to do chemo we're gonna cut

this fucker out it's gonna be done just cut a size of a fist out of your stomach right well that's a little bigger but exactly that's two we're doing a count here but if i told you that you had a 95 chance to live as an answer to that question you had a 95% chance to live. As an answer to that question, he said, you know what happens every single patient I say that to? Their mood just swung completely the other way. 95%. They jump up. They're like, oh, fuck. Let's get on the table.

Let's go, baby. I'm good. I'm good. I got this. I'm good. Because they see the positive. Yeah. They don't see that 5%.

He said, if I look at someone like that and cancer so common that like people are used to hearing the worst right if i look at them and say you have a five percent chance to die would they answer it the same way or would they be thinking oh because you use the word die yeah and so he was how you word thing yes the point of this doctor's letter was i can die yes yeah he's exactly saying the mentality is that people are thinking of the worst that can happen yeah and so it's this it's this chaos theory and i made one relation to it that was very very i thought interesting but you tell me if it's terrible you remember the dark knight with the movie yeah which one there's like three of them but the first one the one with the joker the second one so with heath ledger okay when harvey dents in the hospital

with his face blown off he's pissed right joker goes in there and he flips him to become bad yeah and if you remember that's the coin yes if you remember speech, he gave him this theory where he said, people can't handle chaos and fear. It's a great, great speech. And it's so true because he explained, if I told, like, everything's a plan, and when things don't go to plan or when people don't know that there's a plan for it, they freak out. Whereas, like cancer, once you have it, you know a lot of people have had it and there's a plan. You either have a good chance or you don't. And you fight it and you lose, you win. It's a plan.

If I introduce some chaos, what happens? Yes. And so he said if I – the example was – and I don't – by the way, on the cancer point, I don't mean that. Yeah, I know what you're saying. It's the highest level. It's obviously – it's a punch to the gut when you get that but i mean you have a precedent with it yeah with something new like this the point he was saying is if i say that i'm gonna blow up one caravan of soldiers or go after three people at the grocery store on fifth avenue no one freaks out

everyone goes about their life because that's not, in all likelihood, that's not them. They're fine. It's all according to plan. I told them what's going to happen. It doesn't affect them, so they move on. But he said, if one, if I come out and say one little innocent mare is going to die, he goes, then everyone loses their mind!

And he starts freaking out. He goes, they can't stand it. Because it's chaos. It's fear. And that's what we've done with this. It's the unknown. Yes. And I mean, that's what you feed on. Yeah. With business.

I mean, it's the same neighbor. It's the same family of the same problems. It's all connected. Sure. And it's, you know, it can go one or two ways. And it's usually going to go the bad way with the unknown. People, because people are all up in their head, and once they start talking to themselves, it goes bad. You know what I mean?

If you were to tell somebody, hey, these are 95% chains to live, all right, but 5% to die, whoa. See how you said that, too? Yeah. It's how it's worded. It's how it's said. It's how it's delivered, and that's what it's said. It's how it's delivered. And that's what really matters. What's the number one sales tactic?

For what? There's a lot of different types of sales. There are all different types. And there's a lot that work positive over the long term. But what's the one that people and businesses use in the short term to be able to just get the next nut? And it works. Oh, yeah. What if this could happen? So say if someone had cancer i beat it but guess what you still need this insurance for

your kids because guess what you might not beat it you know what i mean so say if you're trying to you know it all depends on what you're selling what you're pushing it all depends the entire insurance market is built on fear and i and by the way, I view insurance as necessary. Absolutely. I do. I'm not – you can't take things to anarchy. No, without insurance, there'd be anarchy. Right, right.

But I'm saying they may sell five policies to someone as opposed to where three definitely sufficed. Yeah. Because they say, but what if this happens? And you're like, you know, I never thought about jumping off the roof of X Tower in this city in that part of the world, but I might do that! Oh my god, let's get coverage. What if you're out with your friends one night

and, you know, you wake up and you go, oh, I never thought about that. Who's going to take care of your kids? The minute they bring up your kids, all bets are off. Who's going to take care of my wife? My wife will be all right, but my kids! Who's going to take care of your kids the minute they bring up your kids all bets are off who's going to take care of my wife will be my kids he's going to take care of them so true man all bets are off with kids kids yep and that's what they do they put it all on your kids who's going to take care of your kids whoa i never thought about that that's what they do

in politics what are the next generations gonna have they all love that what country this is for the next generation what country do you want your kids to grow that's like the global warming what about the next generation you know their kids their kids guess what the odds are we're smashing this world right now you know what i mean what do you mean oh my god pollution we are just ruining this world we are doing everything we can to just make sure there is no you know what i mean for the next couple generations yeah and then you know you get the do the duopoly system playing everyone against each other because the loudest 10 on both side is who gets the volume online and who gets the volume in the room like what made me sick to my stomach was watching the RNC and DNC over the summer

because you just listen to it, and I think they were two weeks in a row. So it was like you had four days of each, and I could handle 15, 20 minutes a night. I am not going to lie and say I sat there and watched all this shit. I couldn't do it. They push it to such an extreme. But, dude, they're just saying opposite ends of the same sale yeah it's not about what are we gonna do it's about the world will not the sun will not come up tomorrow if so and so is and it's trust me i think the sun comes up a little less pretty much with all of them don't get me

wrong but that's the cynic in me at the end of the day there's no selling like here's what we're going to do they they close sales with the happiness and say jobs freedom and and your next generation but there's no substance they love to talk shit on the other opponents and guess what back behind doors that are high five and they're all friends it's all about the win for them and people think oh who's ever president is going to affect me unless you're a fortune 500 guy you're a ceo who's ever president doesn't affect you it's more of your senator maybe your governor and if you're going to wake up every morning and you think that who's ever president and you're going to allow that to affect you there's a problem like if you wake up and say oh my god donald trump's the president for 20 more days how do i live with myself what yeah yeah you know what how does that affect like i understand you don't like

him but don't you know what does what does him being the president you allowing him to ruin your day yeah that's what really bothers me about you know i don't know why people were surprised about it though because frankly i would say since clinton every president the opposite side and don't get me wrong it was definitely more pronounced especially given social media with trump than anyone but the opposite side treated every single day like a crisis yeah while they were in office and by the way you know minus some social mistakes that have aged terribly with like Bill Clinton, he was a very effective president. But if you listen to the Republicans for eight years, they thought he was Hitler.

Yeah. Right? And now I will get a lot of Republicans, like forget the fact that he's obviously like kind of not a good guy. Yeah. Just look at the things he did again minus things like the crime bill and some of those disasters you look at just some of the general day-to-day business shit there are a lot of republicans i'll talk to now who'll be like yeah you know clinton clinton did good by the country yeah yeah it was like a really effect they'll say

they'll often say he was a very effective president and back then they're like literally it's nazi germany like like we're we're all done well i'm moving yeah but i don't know why the trump like the entire maga train was so shocked at all the stuff coming at trump and don't get me wrong it was it was way over the top and i think the media is disgusting. But, I mean, not that the right wing controls the media like the left wing at all, but did you see the eight years of Obama and the things they said about him? They ripped him. He wasn't an American. His mother's a liar. He wants to go blow up churches.

They literally were like, oh, he supports Bill Ayers. It's just like you've been saying. It's the 10% on each side that have just lost their shit. Yeah. And then it's that 80% that just, eh, whatever. And the same people who feed off that are the ones controlling, and I say that literally, controlling this whole pandemic. Yeah. I mean, that's the other thing.

These people are marketers nobody better nobody better I heard this and I don't know if this is online I've never checked it but I heard that Chuck Schumer I think it was who's been in office now for what

like 40 years I love that you could be in the senate for like 60 years I'm very entertained by Chuck Schumer i i really forget like his politics and everything i enjoy watching that guy talk i just think it's hilarious but he teaches a class someone fact check me on this he teaches a class for incoming democratic senators and house members and i believe they said there's one on the right side i just don't know who did who does it i know schumer was doing it on the left where when they come into washington for the first time he teaches them about marketing and attention so one of the things chuck schumer does this is going to change your life when you go see this because now you're going to be looking for it

oh yeah he said congratulations sunday is now no longer a weekend day i don't give a fuck if you take friday or whatever sunday is a work day and I don't give a fuck if you take Friday or whatever. Sunday is a work day. And people are like, what do you mean? And not enough people listen to him, but he practices this his entire career or has practiced it. He said, every Sunday morning, pick a spot in your jurisdiction and host a press conference. I don't care if you're hosting a press conference about the color of the sidewalk. Host a press conference because guess what's going to happen?

Monday morning when the news comes on, who are they covering? They're covering you the day before, and you're out there talking about something, and now you have attention. And he does it. It's all being two steps ahead. You've got to be two steps ahead. They are. Two steps ahead, and they are.

Because you know why? They control it. They control what's out there. They control how it gets out there. And that's it. I mean, Mitch McConnell, Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, even the guy – who's the head of the house for the Republicans? Kevin whatever the fuck his name is? I thought it was Mitch McConnell, but I could be wrong.

No, Mitch McConnell's the head of Senate. Senate, okay. Who's the head of the house? Kevin – he looks like a stereotype dad from every movie who says something stupid yeah i know i know i've seen him a million times even he and i gotta check this i think he's even been in there now for like 12 years or something remember the what was it bobby the kennedy that just was in there for like 47 years ted kenn Kennedy. Ted Kennedy. Yeah. Yeah. That's the thing. You don't stay there for a long time

and gain power more and more every year you're there without being really fucking smart. Yes. Like politically savvy and marketing savvy.

Say what you want about it. And cutthroat. Yeah. You want to call all these people evil. I'm cool with that. I think a lot of them are. But they know

what they're doing. No question. And they come out 10 times stronger 10 times richer yeah yeah and and i think like joe biden they were they were hitting him on some of that and then they were running the stats and he was like the 89th poorest senator at all times he wasn't poor but it's like yeah that's how much money some of these people get out of this shit as soon as they leave money just starts coming through every direction it's just like you know you get the book deals they go they they speaking engagement two million dollars yeah check hillary clinton going to goldman this will age well i'll go talk to a bunch of bankers and tell them i'm not going gonna regulate them yeah that's what that's what my party's gonna want to hear it's like they just i wonder if they just have like this day where they

cross over the abyss and suddenly they just become this individual and they don't know that they're this individual recognize himself in the mirror right you think that happens yeah because guess what they're not really saying what they want to say. They're saying whatever their DNC wants to say. You know what I mean? You are just a puppet. You don't get to say, I want to be president. They say you're going to be. You know what I'm saying?

The powers that be really say who's going to be the president. Do you think that's how they do it? Absolutely. Big money talks. Let's take this a step farther. Do you think, Anthony, that there's like a guy who comes and knocks on your door, walks in and says, I don't know if it's the same guy.

You're going to do this. Oh, yeah. So and so say, this is what we wanted you to say. Here's your speech. Here's what's going to happen. Absolutely. You're going to run for office. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. How do you think people just start running for office? They find somebody, hey, we like him him let's put him in the slot i could see him being something big in 20 years sure i wonder what they got on sanders because he's gotten ass fucked every year every time he tries to win he gets blasted and he's always in the lead and next thing you know fourth and yet who is the number. And he's always in the lead. And next thing you know, fourth. And yet, who is the number? And he's not even in the Democratic Party.

I think he's still literally an independent. Who is the number one stumper out there for them after that happens? Bernie Sanders. Yep. Like, he's out there fighting for him. And I'm just like, what do they have on him? Because, like, you believe believe him you believe him when when he talks like think what you want of him politically you're like that guy really believes

what he's saying and then you see him come stumped for these people after that happens you're like what the fuck happened yeah exactly and you pay me back with non-stop ass rape. It's three. It's three, yeah. So Anthony is probably the biggest fan of the Sopranos I know, and that's saying something, because my whole crew in college, we would have the Sopranos

playing in the background as our elevator music in the house at all times our our house sign was a rendering of the sopranos and so i always thought oh the biggest fans of this show have to be in here because we were all from jersey and we'd all grown up watching it but this dude yeah i think i've seen it like 22 times i think that's a low estimate pal no i i i'm pretty sure that's it's pretty you've got to remember it's 86 hours it's 86 hours yeah so that's uh and that and that that you pay me back with non-stop answer it was already remember when they found out that they were stealing his amex oh yeah yeah yeah yeah it's

such a timeless show yeah and not talk about who stole the jacket from that was the first oh the first that laid the groundwork yeah for everybody for breaking bad uh you want to name it that basically cemented tv to what it is today and basically put the movie business out of business have you like read up on the history of how the show came together and everything i assume yeah i feel like you would know all this absolutely you know what's funny is none of the people like the cast thought it was going to be anything yeah they thought it was about a musical they thought it was they were like what's a musical i heard and you know when they shot the pilot um robert hilaire who played anthony jr thought, like, this is going to be big.

And then Tony Sirico said, nah, kid. Nine times out of ten. I've been on here a few times. I've done this. He goes, nah, kid. Nine times out of ten, the pilot don't get pissed. The pilot. Which is true.

Yeah. Still true today. Absolutely. But they were so obsessed with the vision, and they, at the dawn of HBO, which went around the FCC and could go there with content with no commercials. Yeah, because how they presented it to the viewer. Yeah. It was a first of many different things, and everybody piggybacked on them.

They nailed it, too. Oh, my gosh. The acting was second to none. Not even just that though like they it's real it's real yeah that's what it's like yeah it's awesome it's you know it's great i don't even know what to say about it where where i lived i lived in the middle of like all where they shot so i used to drive by the house all the time love it i've been dying to go when when i went up there yeah when i went to sopranos con we were going to go wait wait you went to sopranos con yeah what is that all right so 2019 was the

first one they were going to have another one this year but they had a virtual one it was when they had the whole cast come and you could meet the cast there was different levels that you could get like we got the vip level so we got to go to the bada bing and hang out with the cast and then go to the after party with the cast and hang out and go up different passes and where was this sea caucus so wait wait so you went to satin dolls yes like the actual actual satin so bada bing which is the strip club in the show yes is really called satin dolls and it's off of route 80 where route 17 is up in low dive we used to pass it all the time guys i worked with went there back in the day all the time is that's didn't that just get shut down though well was there a year ago yeah and i think it just got

shut down because the guy definitely looked like it was struggling a little bit well the guy who runs it is you know okay he's affiliated yeah yeah so that was that was going for a while but they they had it in seacaucus and you went with the cast to the bing afterwards yes the cast went and then how many people went well there was it all depended on what you got so if you got like a regular ticket you got two day pass but if you got a vip ticket you got to go and hang out with the cast there and then you got to go to another after party at rick's cabaret with the cast wait where's rick's cabaret new york city so you hopped on a bus with them and went to rick's cabaret where in new york city is that it's basically manhattan i would say it's definitely

yeah but like what part i've never heard of that it's where howard stern goes remember he's always you know it's like a it's definitely manhattan like a nice area i wouldn't you'd have to check where it is but it's definitely in a nice area it's where howard howard stern goes got it and did you like chill with the cast not really you got to meet them talk to them but uh a few you got to hang out with but they really kept you away so who went of the cast who went to the strip club not many not many of them went a few of them went they all it was mostly handled before they went they they've been they were doing it for like eight hours so a lot of them were tired but they went and showed their face and left like the whole cast was there and what were they was it like

comic-con where they're sitting up on a stage and just talking comic-con for sopranos and they were just talking the whole time for eight hours and then you could and then they each had like a little booth like this and you could walk up and hang out with them that's kind of cool how many people went to that a lot there was a lot but then there was different passes for different levels you know what i mean yeah there was like when they were going to find places to shoot they were so obsessed with getting the actual feel so they had the set for the indoors in long island city yeah silver cup yeah and you went there too i thought right no we didn't not for that but but i've been to like um satchel stuff like that i've been to a few different places and satrials they knocked down yeah it's really called centrales or something like that yeah it was called sent sent something to say yeah and or sentanis that's it i think carney yeah um but they knocked that

down but when when they were going to do this they wanted everything to be in the actual neighborhoods to be in essex county to be where these guys would be they only shot new jersey and they were yeah dude they were anal about it absolutely they only shot new jersey and they said that actually helped with the feel for the characters yeah so when i moved there because i'd always been a south jersey guy and when i went up there after college one of my buddies had told me he's like you know we're big fans of the sopranos there's like a map you can probably learn landmarks that way and lo and behold you go online there is a map called i don't know if it's still there but it

was literally called like sopranos map yeah i remember looking at it like well this isn't gonna do anything because you hit it and there's just red lights all over north jersey because it was everywhere they filmed in the show yeah and like you couldn't go anywhere without there being somewhere they were yeah they were everywhere yeah i i lived right next to for a while that the george washington slept here house you could see it from my porch it's fucking dying when i saw that but they what was the one oh yeah the the gloria Trillo car dealership. Yeah, the Mercedes.

Yeah, that's actually like a huge Mercedes dealership. Yeah. We pass it all the time. They use actual locations. Yeah. Which is awesome. This is insane. That show, though, I don't know that you can ever top it and i how much of it do you think is because it was the

first versus it's just perfect and you can't top it i think that all comes together that it was the first that it is such a good you know to be called an 86 hour movie the way they filmed it the way they put it together that's tough to do the way he built it like that to be an 86 hour movie the way they filmed it the way they put it together that's tough to do the way he built it like that to be an 86 hour movie not just episode by episode where some series you can come in in season three and no you didn't miss anything if you didn't start it from the beginning you have no idea and jim gandolfini was unbelievable i mean that like, because he also wasn't at all like that in real life. He's the nicest guy. As far as like mannerisms and how he talks, he didn't talk with a North Jersey accent,

even though he's from North Jersey. He didn't have that growl. He didn't have that. He was such a laid back guy. And he just embodied that role. They said it would take such a toll on him, being ruthless like that, that he would miss days. And then the days he missed, he would make up to it by buying you a gift. Like he bought the whole cast a Rolex watch one day.

Gave out cash. He was a really good guy. Yeah. It's still crazy to me. And then his son's going to play him, which is even cooler. Yeah. What's that new one called? The Many Saints of Newark.

It's March 12th, I think it comes out. But it's going to be on HBO Max. It's not going to be in the theaters. I kind of like that. I mean, they're adjusting. It's smart. They have to, yeah. Yeah.

And what... That's going to take place in what? The 60s and 70s? Yeah, during the Newark riots. So his son is playing a young Tony. Young Tony, yeah. So James Gandolfini's son in real life. His real son is playing him.

Wow. And then it's all about Uncle Junior and his dad. I hope that's going to be great. Well, it's David Chase and all the same producers, same writers, so it should be, I hate to say on par, but I hope. I have faith because it's them doing it. But I hope it's going to be great just because it's like you're pitching a perfect game and say, no, let's do an extra inning. You got to be careful with that let's go to the temp yeah and you

and look you also don't have jim and he yeah you don't have ed yeah yeah you don't have her either she wasn't she was incredible yeah but they the problem with it was a lot of those guys got typecasted for the rest of their career yeah and like great actors mike imperioli played chris who's unbelievable and like a true actor yeah i really love this craft he can't get many roles none of them and he's like kind of accepted it but thank god they made they're making so much money you know or else they would really be sad. Like Seinfeld. It was almost like Seinfeld where George Costanza, George Costanza. Yeah.

That's it. He never got... Has Jason Alexander been in anything? He was in that movie... Shallow Hal, Once a Gal, whatever that was. Remember? Remember that? He was pretty good in that.

Jack Black. It was a good movie. Was that Gwyneth Paltrow uh jack black it was a good movie was that gwyneth paltrow yeah it was a great movie funny as hell yeah that's a throwback but seinfeld they're making literally billions of dollars yeah in the after effects or whatever it's called yeah so getting syndicated on fox and all these shows or all these channels forget how many countries they're in and how many different languages what's south park set up though or not south park what's the soprano set up though well sopranos is huge in like australia it's huge in europe huge in england like they're all over the place too but do they get paid anywhere near what seinfeld does and the reason i ask is because they're not mainstream cable they they were hbo yeah remember they were on a and e for

a little bit so i do yeah yeah that's where i first when i was a kid three saw it i saw the end of the show i think when i was on hbo i was young i was like 12 and then immediately after the show was done it would play on a and e yeah and so i saw it when i was maybe like 13 years old and then i watched the whole thing and i was like holy shit it's awesome oh my god the music i love the music more now than ever that they have in it yeah led zeppelin the the music's perfect. Yeah. Everything about it, they didn't miss one single beat. They didn't miss anything. You know, that's what made it perfect. Well, have you ever watched The Wire?

Yeah, I like The Wire, but it wasn't really for me that much. The reason I ask, okay, that's fair. The reason I ask is because I do wonder, because that was HBO as well, and that started three years after The Sopranos started. A lot of people will say, and I've entertained it too because I was blown away by that show. A lot of people say that if The Wire had happened first, it would be The Wire is the greatest of all time, and Sopranos would be where The Wire is right now. My opinion? Yeah.

No. Yeah. It didn't reach as many people in my opinion no doubt about that yeah no doubt you know i remember my everybody's parents would watch it and send their kids out of the room yeah it was everybody watched it it was everybody talked about it on the job sites everybody talked about it everywhere even the family it was based off of the FBI has film of filming like some of them talking oh they're basing that guy off of me that that's me oh that that's me like it it was everywhere they are living up there and and knowing some people who grew up in those circles and it's in North Jersey if you have an italian last name you know who all these people are because they're leeches man like they come in they take their cut they if they say it's hey we

want a piece of this that's what they do so people i was very surprised at how big it still was that was shocking and it's it's huge up there but to a man people would be like yeah this is like a documentary this is exactly what this is what these people and i then i would get the stories like the actual stories from people of like oh when this guy did this to me two years ago or whatever and they would then explain remember this that happened in the show it's just like that and i'd be like wow yeah it was they definitely used a lot of real life stuff which is cool yeah my uncle fake uncle but he he lives up in fairfield okay and he missed his calling as an actor the most the funniest human being i've ever seen in my life not at at all in any way, shape, or form anywhere near the mafia.

But if you weren't from North Jersey and just heard him and met him once, you'd be certain he's the boss of the whole goddamn thing. Oh, yeah. And so his wife was pregnant with their third kid back in, I guess, like 2005. And he's out at work because he, he ran it. He ran a company right in town. So he's literally around the corner. Yeah.

She gets a knock on the door and she answers the door and it's three producers from the Sopranos. Wow. And they say, we really want to use the exterior of this house and then we'll rebuild the interior at silver cup. But we want to use the exterior for this house and then we'll rebuild the interior at silver cup but we want to use the exterior for chris moltisanti's house wow for the last two seasons there and she looked at him she was about seven months pregnant and she said guys i need you to leave right now

because if my husband comes home at any point he is going to say yes right away and i'm about to pop out a kid and i can't do this you guys at my house so they're like i'm sorry she's like no no i'm sorry but if it were another time maybe but please leave so they leave and she tells her husband about it he whips it home where are they we get him back here right now so when you see him in in season seven when he's ripping up his front lawn paul like tears his lawn up that is literally what my uncle's house looks like wow like the same thing and they got it one town over yeah perfect blew it blow it she blew it for him yeah i'm like nick have you got any cash from that like any kind of oh yeah wow oh yeah and that

was another thing like they were gonna pay yeah you know it wasn't like two bucks either like you were getting cash from it you're talking credits money coming in forever yeah but he if they had done that and then met him the proprietor of the house yeah he would have a little one thousand no little cameo no He would have been casted. Oh, my God. They would have said, we're writing in a role. Something. He is that entertaining of a guy. And I used to watch, after I knew him, I would watch guys on the show, and I'm like, he's so much better.

So much more believable. But can he do it with the lights, camera, action? I've seen him do it with cameras. All right. It's unreal. They did that for Janice. You know, when she got on that bus after they killed her husband, after she killed her fiancé husband, she was done.

That was it. But she was so good, they brought her back. Really? I didn't know that. And then she shot Richie. That was it. They put her on the bus with Richie. He's gone.

She was done, too. But she was so good, they brought her back. What was her name? That's John Turturro's sister. Ada Turturro. Yes. She was done too. But she was so good, they brought her back. What was her name? That's John Turturro's sister. Ada Turturro. Yes. She was incredible. And did you know...

Oh, you know why they did that? Because the mom died in real life and they needed to replace that figure. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. And then did you know John Turturro played James Gandolfini in The Night Of? James Gandolfini started filming The Night Of. The show on HBO, it was about the cab driver who, in his cab, somehow something, I forget

what happened, but it was a really good show. They started filming it with Gandolfini, but he died. And then John Totoro had to take over, and they had to film it all over again. Wait a second. So, oh, so they weren't that far into it. No. Okay. But then it just happened to be John who did it.

Yeah. It's a really big show on HBO. It's called The Night Of. I never saw that. It's really good. Watch it. He actually did a movie that was excellent. I mean, it's like kind of a chick flick, he did it with julia richard dreyfus

yeah from louis dreyfus yeah from or yeah louis dreyfus from seinfeld yeah i forget what it was called but i guess it was his last movie because it came out after he died and i'm so sad to watch because he played literally the polar opposite of tony soprano yeah and he was excellent he's had that range. The drop. He's good in that. That was it. The other one was with Tom Hardy. And my cousin hates it because they make him look like a loser. So he won't even watch it.

Al? Yeah. He hates it because he's not like a good guy. He managed to not totally be typecasted after that. He's the one that kind of got above it. Killing him softly. Yeah.

He was great in that. He was shooting. And that was where he was close as far as the type of role. But he was shooting movies while he was doing The Sopranos. What was the one he did? The Mexican? With Brad Pitt and... Was it Julia Roberts?

I'm not sure. But I know how he got the roles of Sopranos was they loved him in the movie with, my God, why am I forgetting? It's, sorry. It's the movie where, it's a mob movie with Harvey Kittell plays the guy with the dreads. I don't know this. A mob movie with Harvey Kittell. I don't know it. It's awesome.

Yeah. That's going to bother me. Google it real quick. All right. Let's Google that. And was that like right before the Sopranos? Right before. And they saw him and they told Edie Falco, this is who you're going to be with.

Check out this scene. That's interesting. Sometimes, and it's funny, like you ask people the greatest show of all time. They say The Sopranos. You ask people the greatest movie of all time. It's Gary Oldman. Sorry, not Harvey Kattel. Gary Oldman.

Oh, got it. So you can cut this eventually. No, no. We'll just leave that it's cool but they like a lot of people will say the godfather is the best movie of all time and they're both mob related different but mob related and it's funny how the stories came together similarly because the godfather was a disaster while they were filming it it had all these problems money oh yeah the studio didn't want al pacino francis ford coppola said nope it has to like he was he threw a catatonic fit

they wanted it to be the other guy sunny whoever played i forget who played sunny they wanted they wanted jimmy kahn in there but then they liked jimmy kahn as sunny and so they wanted robert redford or yeah robert redford that was it was robert martin sheen yeah as michael like could you imagine the sicilian michael who takes this whole arc and it's fucking no offense martin sheen's a great actor but martin sheen playing him it doesn't make sense they have film of these guys trying out for the role yeah it's terrible yeah i couldn't you couldn't be you couldn't see and that's that's why he wanted pacino so bad all right there was

eight millimeter is that it no gary oldman night falls on manhattan midnight at the garden of good and evil now if you search gary oldman and j James Gandolfini, it'll come up. All right. I'm doing it. James Gandolfini and Gary Oldman. I never heard that before. True Romance. True Romance. Duh.

Gandolfini was awesome in it. I've never seen that. That does make sense. Because whenever someone brings it up, like True Romance, I'm like, oh, that's one I haven't seen. Yeah, watch it. So, Gary Oldman has dreadlocks he's dreadlocks and he's like a and he's just it's so hard to explain what he is he's like a white guy but he's i can't explain he's a white guy with dreads so he dropped the british accent yes he has a hardcore like gangster accent gary oldman is low-key one of the best actors you'll ever see.

Oh, my God. Him and Denzel were so good together. Wait, what? Yeah, the movie, remember, it's Mila Kunis is in it. Denzel Washington, Mila Kunis, and Gary Oldman were in a movie together. Remember, they played a futuristic movie, and Gary Oldman's blind, and Denzel's blind with the book. They want the Bible. Oh, the Book of Eli. Book of Eli, yeah. That's Gary Oldman. Holy and Denzel's blind with the book they want the bible oh the book of

Eli book of Eli yeah that's Gary Oldman holy shit it is yeah wow it's been a long time that movie feels like it came out yesterday but my god 10 years ago probably yeah I did see that that was a solid movie yeah really good movie but he he was everything from the lead cop in Batman, where he was terrific, to Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy. That was a good movie. To Sirius Black in Harry Potter with the fucking long hair and shit. I got to see this true romance. I'm sure that's phenomenal. He's got range, man.

He does. He's one of my favorite. Yeah. The other thing I should mention here is that the sopranos had a huge comeback with covid because people were home and so maybe gen zers and younger millennials who never watched it now had things to do like oh i'll try this out it's huge at 20 year olds huge absolutely and i listened to the talking soprano podcast and talk about that, how it made a total comeback. How is that podcast?

It's pretty good. It started off slow, but it's pretty good. And that is Sharippa and Imperioli? Yeah, and they bring on someone new, like, every episode. Like someone from the cast? Cast, production, David Chase, everybody. It's everything. Are they just going episode by episode?

Yeah, 86 episodes. So they're going episode by episode? Yeah, 86 episodes. So they're going to do an 86 episode podcast. Yep. And we're on like 30 something now. That's genius. Yeah. And that's such a good way to reach the audience. And people love that behind the scenes, man.

Yeah. And that's what hooks people in, to hear that stuff that you didn't know about. What's some of the craziest shit they talked about? They partied. I didn't know about. What's some of the craziest shit they talked about? They partied. I didn't know how hard they partied. Yeah. I didn't have any...

They would party all night and go shoot the next morning. I had no idea. You go to a lot of places in New York that are the last places you would think. Yeah. And there's a picture of them in there. Dive bars. Yeah.

Not sober. would think yeah and there's a picture of them in there dive bars yeah not sober and um they said david chase would make you act out like three different times and make you feel so little they said oh my god he hated me they all would say that oh my god i thought david chase hated me next thing you know he wants me for the role he was he's such an interesting guy because he has no personality and very little people skills just from like what people say i've never really seen it and i obviously don't know him but he had such a vision for it and was so ocd to the vision that as it started coming together, everyone there saw how great it was and then they were just willing to deal with that.

Like, all right, this guy, you know, he's playing chess. They talk about that. No one was allowed to go off the script. Not one word. Nothing. Yeah, which is pretty cool. I like that. Nothing.

But he was like really, he was really strict with regular things that he hated about TV. This is why he changed TV. This is what I want your thoughts on. He hated how on TV they would do things for budget. So the most obvious example is TV would use its own film score and when things would be getting dramatic, you'd hear the little piano. A composer. They'd use their own composer and cheap out. film score and when things would be getting dramatic you'd hear the little piano composer composer in and cheap out which he ruined that i can't want tv shows that do that i borderline can't watch them because of him and so he put in he had the biggest music spend of all time and

never been done before he spent like 100 million on music oh yeah plus he had all the best music on there and he made it a part of the show using original songs that are all the classics and it was a part of the theme but he also hated the production stuff that you and i don't think about yeah so he didn't like walk and talks when you're watching tv shows and you see two characters walking like down a hallway and talking and it'll be a perfect scene where they start on one end of the hallway and they finish on the other end as the viewer you don't notice that they're finishing on the other end and that that's not realistic that's

not how it goes but david chase noticed that and said we're not gonna do it plus you gotta you gotta add in footsteps you gotta you know you gotta record the voices after because there's so much echoing in the hallways yeah it was fake and he didn't he wanted it to be as authentic as possible he also hated anything from behind you never see that yeah never wanted to see the back of a head yeah why what's the point of that i think i saw a quote i'm not sure if i'm remembering this right but he was saying the biggest thing and the biggest asset an actor has for you to feel something as a viewer along these lines is you can see their expressions and how they're how they're reacting to things and he said when you see a

back of a head you don't see any you could figure out the scene without even hearing it with that yeah exactly i think that was his point and then his writers and his staff were always they had that love-hate relationship where they're like this guy but terence or not terence winter the other one matthew weiner went out and wrote mad men immediately after he wrote a lot of different big things oh yeah and mad men immediately became one of the greatest shows of all time yeah and so one of the things he did there as a little you to david chase his old boss was he made the logo of mad men the back of don draper's head yeah it was hilarious but that's just because like david chase would be anal about that stuff and and he would never he wouldn't bend no not not an inch for anybody i loved the like back

to the music the led zeppelin they said like led zeppelin wouldn't let anybody have their music but the sopranos were so big they said when you went to buy a song it would take three weeks they said for them it would take three hours to get that song approved by the band wow And it helped. Look, it helped not just because it landed as a perfect casting, but also because of the connections it gave. It was a huge help having little Steven. Huge. On the show. Yeah.

Because he was so connected across the industry. He knew all these guys. He could go to them and say, can you do me a favor? Yeah, help me out. And did you know that Artie Bucco and Moltisanti were friends? They lived together off camera like before they they were real but they were buddies they went to school together i didn't know that yeah that's pretty cool absolutely and they all became like such a family through the show the best shows do that you have to you it's just like work every day yeah it's almost your second and it really is your second family. And you're seeing people vulnerable all the time.

It's acting as such this... You gotta dig deep. Yeah. They just nailed it. It ages better and better every year. It's like a fine wine. Yeah. It doesn't get old, which makes a good TV show.

I could watch the same episode three times in a row and love it just as much. I'm going on four years without having watched it, which is by far the longest I've ever gone. And I'm so excited about it. I'm going to see how long I can go because when I go to watch it again, it's going to be unbelievable. I've gone two years without watching The Godfather. I'm doing this on purpose. I need to appreciate the art again. Well, you know, it's funny. Each time it gets a little bit better

and you learn something new. You'll see something. Oh, I didn't notice that last time. Oh, I didn't notice this. And that's what I like about it. Yeah. Like, all the little details they had were hysterical. Whether it be Pauly's what's it called? The car horn?

Na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na You can't make this stuff up and you know they sat up in the writer's room for three hours on that one thing. What is his car horn going to sound like? They also say whenever he had a scene with somebody, he would get together

with them and say, you look at me, I i look at you they said he always had to get his mug on the screen that's not what happened listen you look at me you understand yeah you look at me and then you look back at him don't you fuck with me you look back at me a lot of them were poor do you know he was living with his mother in an apartment t Tony Sirico, before he got this role. He was in some movies, though. Corrado was living in a studio apartment before this happened. Yeah, but he wasn't... Wait, Uncle June?

Was living in a studio apartment before he got the Sopranos role. A studio. Dominic Chianese. Great. Fucking amazing actor. He sung at Sopranos. Sung for like 20 minutes. He can still sing?

Yeah. He looked like he was in better shape than Tony. Tony Strieger looked really bad. It was sad how bad he looked. He had to leave. Like he was in such bad shape. Yikes. He definitely.

Such a tough guy too. Exactly. And he was a real mobster. Yeah. Back in the day when he was a kid. I love when he killed the old. Well his fake mom's friend and robbed her. What was her name?

Aunt Mill. I forget her name. Aunt Millie. Yeah, Millie. Because when I was a little kid, you guys were old. Now I'm old and you're still old. He choked her with a pillow. He put a pillow on her face. You motherfucker!

There used to be an app back in the day, early on in the iPhone, where it was just Uncle Pauly quotes. And you could just play it, and it would be terrible one-liners, but they're hysterical. Oh, he's the best. So funny.

Yeah, there isn't... I've never seen a show with so many characters that you could go days just talking about. They're all awesome. Yeah, and they took chances. They brought in Steve Scharippa. Out of nowhere. Steve Scharippa was a comedian, but first he was, I believe he was the security.

He would fill the people. He would get the acts. Yes, that's it. That's it yeah that's it and so he wasn't necessarily an actor but he was a big italian guy took a shot at it they took a shot at it and just nailed it and then they would do all these little things on set you ever hear about that one in pine barrens when he comes out with a dildo yeah yeah so there's a scene where jim gandolfini starts laughing his ass off at Bobby Bacala, Steve Schirrpa's character, coming into the room.

And it's supposed to be keeping a straight face. And every time Bacala would come in or Schirrpa would come in, they couldn't get Jim to laugh really, really hard. So he finally comes in, I don't know, the or 7th time and has an 18 inch dildo that you can't see on the camera well because they didn't want James to see his outfit his outfit was supposed to look like a you know like a

supposed to look like nerdy and he already saw it so it wasn't funny anymore so they had to figure out something to be funny is that guy dead by the way? the Russian? no he's not in a scene that got cut when they go to bring more money to Slava, he's sitting there at the table with part of his head missing.

And he's like, you know, missing a part of his head. And Slava. So he can't talk. What does Slava say? Oh, nothing. Crazy what happened to him. Yeah, yeah, yeah, something like that. But they say what happens.

And then they all lock eyes. And Paulie and Christopher lock eyes to him. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Something like that. But they say what happens. And then they all lock eyes. And Paulie and Christopher lock eyes with him. And they say, you can tell that he remembers, but he just can't say. Or even, you know what I mean? It was a scene that got cut. But it was a cut scene. A cut scene. So we don't know.

We don't know. But yeah, he's alive. Who stole Paulie's car and the money? He did. Yeah. What was he, an interior decorator? His house looked like shit. That's one of the greatest.

He killed 16 Czechoslovakians. He killed, like, 16 fucking Czechoslovakians. Really, he killed 16 Chechen rebels. Oh, my God. He's with the interior ministry. What was it, a universal remote? Put remote back on table before you came here you wiped your ass bare handed he said place remote back on docking station on docking station

oops i just love how nonchalant i love when when they break his windpipe. What are you, a doctor now? You're killing the guy. I think I broke his windpipe. He says, what are you, a doctor now? But, like, you see all these guys, and you know this happens. They get in a situation like that. They think they kill a guy in this case. Normally, they actually did, but they didn't.

And they're like, find the nearest rug. His own rug. Let's roll him up and put him in the truck. Like, could you imagine driving a car a mile with a body in the trunk? Minus, like, just going down the turnpike. And then you want to stop at Roy Rogers with a body in the trunk. Yeah, let's get a burger. Yeah. We'll go bury him in the Barrens.

We'll go to AC. We'll make a day out of this. Oh, my God. I can't not think about every time I drive through in the Barrens. We'll go to AC. We'll make a day out of this. Oh, my God. I can't not think about every time I drive through the Pine Barrens, I'm just like, there it is. We'll get our joints copped. That's a line that should have never died. No. Why do people not say that?

Because he has so many, there's so many one-liners, so. Yeah, but like people don't say that. We'll get our joints copped. Yeah, talking about blowjobs. They're not. We'll get our joints comped we'll get our joints comped it was Richie April the first time going oh she comped my joint yeah whose joint you comp

when he gave her the money they wanted him to be Tony he actually tried out not tried out but no exactly a few guys did his brother Jackie April also tried out for Tony Oh, that wouldn't have worked. No, exactly. That wouldn't have worked. A few guys did. His brother, Jackie April, also tried out for Tony.

Now, he... What the hell is his name again? Michael... Oh, my God. He played Grandma on the Rounders. Yeah. Right before Sopranos. Michael... That's so bad.

I forget his name. If I heard it, I would. He's actually a great actor and i don't think we could ever say someone would have worked this gym now in hindsight knowing but it's like a shame that he was in the show for such a short time because he was he was a phenomenal actor same with pussy yeah yeah that was the first scene the sopranos ever saw ever saw. He gets whacked. Mm-hmm. And – Tell me you wouldn't be hooked on that show if you saw that scene on the boat. I was like, what is this?

David Chase used to call people and tell you you were getting killed. A few of the actors got pissed off about that, so he started meeting people and telling them face-to-face. It's like – it's almost art meets real life. It is, yeah. It's amazing. We're going to whack you. We're going to take you out. Sorry.

Don't forget the money you're making. I know. It's not just like you're killing me off my favorite thing I'm doing. You're also cutting my pocket out from under me, so it definitely had to hurt. And did you know Big Pussy used to own, like, bars back in the day? New Rochelle. And Moltisanti used to go there at 18. He would let underage people in drinking.

These Italians, they all know each other, man. They all know each other. They all are networked. Yeah. They know what's going on. It's amazing, but they really do. Yeah. They know who knows who.

But what about the fact what like what's happening right now with tv shows period what's happening with movies there is stuff coming out but there's so many restrictions on where you're allowed to shoot or what everything costs a lot more it's taken a lot longer are we even getting quality things to come out now in 2021 they're going to get like indies which you know some people like in these i hate them we're going to get the big time budget films that can afford it like uh the marvel you're going to get like indies, which, you know, some people like indies, I hate them, or you're going to get the big time budget films that can afford it, like the Marvel. You're going to get a lot of Marvel. What about TV shows, though?

Well, they're still popping, the big network, they're still popping out their favorite shows. Walking Dead's still popping out shows. I do know that, you know, His Dark Material has more seasons coming. There's a lot of shows still popping shows up because everybody's getting COVID tested. They're just making sure that you stay his dark material has more seasons coming there's a lot of shows still popping shows up because they're everybody's getting covid tested yeah they're just making sure that you stay in the bubble you hear the tom cruise freak out that was great no i loved his freak out um

with who's that anchor that uh got in trouble for sexually harassing women and he freaked out on him about like uh vaccines and stuff no i did not hear this oh it was like a few years ago hold on it was amazing oh shit was this with matt lauer yeah that's the one oh my god there's a name matt lauer the rape button guy yeah didn't he like promise women get them like on fox news or something then he just totally raped them what did he do i i don't know sexual assault definitely yeah he literally had a button underneath his yeah i should be laughing but it literally locked the door if you're the security guy who's putting that in how much money did he tip him? You got to go to jail. You know what you're doing.

Oh, I'd like a button that I can click below my desk with one index finger to lock the doors. Here, John. Here's $5,000. Your kids have a good Christmas this year. It's funny you say this. I watched this like a couple months ago. Hold on. Let me pull this up.

This is like when they're going back and forth on like Ritalin yeah no oh my god Ritalin and psychiatry drugs and Brooke Shields when she had postpartum oh my god and he said exercise will be better than her the pills he takes from postpartum oh yeah because he was i forgot about god he's he's been with some women man here we go yeah matt lauer with hair yeah he's got a good kill list here we go you're gonna see a fiery tom cruise talk about his attack on brooke shields you're gonna see a fiery tom cruise riddling for kids here's a sneak peek it's very impressive to listen to you because clearly you've done the homework and you know the subject.

And you should. And you should do that also because just knowing people who are on Ritalin isn't enough. You should be a little bit more responsible in knowing... I'm not prescribing Ritalin, Tom. You should be responsible about the medicine on this network! You'll see that coming up in our next half hour. And the tone of the discussion took a turn he just looks over at the camera psychiatry ever uh before i was a scientologist i never agreed with psychiatry and then when i

started studying the history of psychiatry i started realizing more and more why i didn't agree with psychiatry and as far as the brook shields thing is look you gotta understand i really care about brook shields he's so acting right now good actor he's wonderful and talented yeah look at those eyes look at these famous i want to see her do well and i know that uh psychiatry is it's a pseudoscience but, if she said that this particular thing helped her feel better, whether it was the antidepressant or going to a counselor

or a psychiatrist, isn't that enough? Matt, you have to understand this. Here we are today. Shut the fuck up, Matt. I talk out against drugs and psychiatric abuses of electric shocking people.

Who is getting electric shock? and psychiatric abuses of electric shocking people. Who's getting electric shocked? With them not knowing the effects of these drugs. Look at the lean forward. Do you know Ritalin? Do you know now that Ritalin is a street drug? Do you understand that? The difference is this was not against her will, though.

This wasn't against Brooke's will. Matt, I'm asking you a question. I understand there's abuse. Oh, he's big dogging him. Now, you see, here's the problem. You don't know the history of psychiatry. I do. Aren't there examples, and might not Brook Shields be an example of someone who benefited from one of those drugs? All it does is mask.

Oh, they're cutting this up, too. And if you understand the history of it, it masks the problem. That's what it does. That's what they do best. That's all it does. You're not getting to the reasons why. There is no such thing as a chemical imbalance so all right Dr. Cruz logical goop gobbly goop no no I did not say I'm just asking what you know

would you know apps that Matt that is that post now you're talking about two different things that's what she went on the antidepressant for but what happens the antidepressant all it does is happens, the antidepressant, all it does is mask the problem. There's ways of vitamins and through exercise and various things. I'm not saying that that isn't real. That's not what I'm saying. That's an alteration of what I'm saying. I'm saying that drugs aren't the answer, that these drugs are very dangerous. They're mind-altering, antipsychotic drugs. And there are ways of doing it without that so that we don't end up in a brave new world the thing that i'm saying about brooke is that there's misinformation okay and she doesn't

understand the history of psychiatry yeah she she doesn't understand in the same way that you don't understand it you just don't know but a little bit what you're saying tom is you say you want people to do well but you want them to do well by taking the road that you approve of, as opposed to a road that may work for them. No. No, I'm not. No. If antidepressants work for Book Shields, why is that okay? You thought about that.

No. I disagree with it. And I think that there's a higher and better quality of life. And I think that promoting, for me personally, see, you're saying what I can't discuss, what I want to discuss. No, you absolutely can. But, Matt, you're going in and saying what I can't discuss what I want to know you absolutely no but Matt you're going in and saying that that I can't discuss I'm only asking isn't there a possibility that do you examine the possibility that these things do work for some people that yes there are abuses and yes maybe they've gone through a question certain areas maybe

there are too many kids on Ritalin maybe electric shock it kids on Ritalin that I'm just saying but but aren't there examples where it works? If you start talking about chemical imbalance Read the research papers on these theories Matt, okay, that's what I've done Then you go and you say where's the where's the medical test? Where's the blood test that says how much Ritalin you supposed to get? You it's very impressive to listen to you because clearly you've done the homework and you know Here comes and you should do that also because just knowing people who are on Ritalin isn't enough

You should be a little bit more responsible and knowing I'm really prescribing Ritalin Tom and I'm not Some people who seem to have been helped by it. But you're saying, but it's, this is a very important issue. I couldn't agree more. You know what, and you're here on the Today Show. Right. And to talk about it in a way of saying, well, isn't it okay in being reasonable about it when you don't know, and I do.

I do. You should be a little bit more responsible in knowing what it is. I think you should be more responsible with your platform yeah dude you ever looked at him with Scientology? I've never to be honest really looked into that

oh my god I know it's like a scary thing but I just never you never looked into the church? no I googled the founder but but that's about it. L. Ron Hubbard. L. Ron Hubbard.

Who was a horrible guy. Yeah. Like a bad guy. I mean, he just, he was a science fiction writer. Yeah, right? Wasn't he just an author? I remember seeing that when I Googled him. Yeah.

He wrote, I think, only science fiction books maybe he ended up writing some for scientology too and technically aren't that but they basically are and i believe he was a wife beater like all these like a psycho person and he created this whole church and somebody told me a year or two ago to go back and watch the layer Romany Romany yeah Romany Romany Romany sorry I got the name wrong but watch her sit down with Joe Rogan talking about this because she was in the church of Scientology for like 25 years and then left yeah it's shocking, man. Her and her dad battle it out about it.

I don't remember. They do? Her dad's in Scientology. Still is? Yeah. She might have said that in there. Yeah. I don't remember. Her and her dad don't get along now.

Yeah, and dude, it is the worst cult ever and they focus when they're talking in that conversation. It might have been, it was like in the 800s or 900 number handle somewhere in there of joe's episodes maybe it was like 909 i forget we'll look it up but they were talking about tom cruise heavy because she's in hollywood she's a b or c lister he's an a lister so it's a little different but she was a prominent name oh yeah in the church that's what

the church of scientology he was the name though yeah and she said he can walk on water so she was explaining that all of his assistants and everyone around him because these guys got 10 fucking people around for everything they're all members of the church of scientology and they have to listen to him he basically is i forget the parallel she made but he's like a prophet of the church. Love it. And it's all bullshit. Yeah.

The whole thing's bullshit. Bobby Bacalhau did a commercial for Scientologist. No, he didn't. No, he didn't. Come on. Swear to God, he talks about it in this podcast. What does he say about it? They have him do like a, they use his voice for it.

And then he goes in the bathroom and says are these fucking guys Scientologists yeah but no but I am oh my god how is this not on the internet yeah it's on Talking Sopranos he talks about it so he did did it ever get aired he doesn't know it's so funny though man because it's private they did it yeah oh my god he said they paid him very well to use his voice. No, but they paid him like two mil for it. Yeah. Not really, but a lot of money.

A lot of money, yeah. A lot of money. If you go on and watch some of the videos, I remember I watched a couple after that and you listen to these people talk. It's like a bad real estate commercial. Yeah. You can't believe people fall for this. But then you look out in society and you see what people believe just with a tweet and you're like people fall for you know so many

scams oh yeah you send me 20 bucks i'll send you 100 it's crazy yeah it's it's you would think today we would be so skeptical of everything and we are but then we're not skeptical of the most obvious things we don't want to ask questions about stuff we just say oh that's what it is and the thing i worry about is the church of scientology is one thing and i know very limited about what they teach i just know how crazy it is and what they make like when leia leia ramini was'm never going to get her name right – but when she was on the rocks with the church because she said something wrong, she literally had to take off work for three months and go to Tampa at their headquarters. Like a camp. Yeah. Yeah, I remember that.

And they would question her every day. I mean, it's psycho shit. shit but to take it a step farther outside of the church of scientology you also have people today who are the same people who got a fucking d in science and hated every level of it but they immediately refer to science or defer to science on anything and say oh we got to trust the science and it makes you wonder is science the new religion yeah what is the science yeah what is the science yeah trust the science but what the hell is the science and don't get me wrong like when i see science that's i actually go in and read it and when i don't go read something i just don't give an opinion on it but when i see all kinds of reports peer-reviewed great source with whatever

it is whatever this situation is i'm looking at yeah that's that's where it's like okay years of research has been put into it that makes sense but the whole point of science is to question what what already has been found and to find a new answer absolutely it's a world round yeah is it flat yes and then people yes there's certain things that are laws as a result yeah we know for a fact. Yeah, we know those things exist. But then people want to say everything just based on their agenda, what they want to believe is automatically true. And no, anyone that tries to go in and prove it wrong should not do that. That defeats the entire purpose of why the whole field exists. Yeah, absolutely.

What's the point if you're not going to test it? Yeah. And COVID doesn't exactly help with any of that no how many people are out there tweeting about listen to the science and have no what's the sign yeah no there is no science because it's so new what is the science i don't know i don't know how they have a vaccine normally to get a vaccine it takes like years and years of testing and they put it out in less than a year yeah my whole thing there is and i was saying it on this podcast i said it on three or four podcasts going back two three months where i saw so many people who i just felt like had a lot of time on their hands who who were saying, I'm not getting that fucking vaccine or whatever. And I always, I think the anti-vaxxer movement has been a problem.

I've paid attention to that for a long time. In schools? Yeah. Your kid, you know, your kid's not vaccinated. Next thing you know, you're giving my kids measles, you know, rubella, something like that. Get out of here. Yeah, your kid should not be able to go to school with my kids

unless they've been vaccinated. I believe it was the measles. It was one of them. Kids are getting measles again right before covid happened there was a breakout in the midwest they're saying vaccines cause autism i was like what well look so that's a whole dangerous very dangerous line of thought yeah let's go to that for a second and here's the thing i. I did hear about, as an example, one family, someone was all forms of autism 50 years ago, which is another great possible explanation. However, let's play devil's advocate and let's say that some of these anti-vax people who particularly that's their argument, let's say that they have – they're right about some of that and some of the vaxes do cause autism. Number one, I feel terrible for them in that case.

That's horrible. That's scary that's horrible and scary if it were me and it were my kid it would be devastating number two child's life's changed for the rest of his life yeah number two of course i'm going to be biased as a result of that it's like it's affected you personally yes yeah so i don't blame them but the problem is then and I don't blame them. But the problem is then, and you don't even have all the data to support it, then you come out and you say it's definitely because of the them all to take three steps forward on the count of three, you are going to have a hundred morons take two steps backwards, and probably three people are going to take the wrong step and split their head open. Some people are not going to move. Yes.

Yeah, it's just what happens. So how do you then define that as, this is not the exception, it's the rule? That was my issue with the whole anti-vaxxer movement. What is true? How do you get get autism does it develop in the womb does it develop after birth do they know that's the biggest thing nobody really knows when and where but they know that you do get it and you can see at a certain age do you know much about autism not really i just know there's a sliding scale there's some autism is very severe. Some autism you can live with.

Some autism is just, you know, you might just have a touch of it where, you know, he needs help learning. You might have a touch of a learning disability. Or others where he can't even drive a car or she can't even drive a car. There's different. That's why there's, you know, you're on the, what do they say? He's on the spectrum. The spectrum. But there's also high-functioning autism where you are

literally way smarter than everyone else. It's like a weird negative-positive. And they say, I think this is a generalization, I don't think this is fair, but they do say out in Silicon Valley there's a lot of that. I'm sure there is some of that, where there's just some

genius. Very scary people. No, I'm not even going that way. They become scary when they get a lot of power. And it's just because they can't – they're so brilliant. They can't see the world the way we see it. They see it on a whole other level. And then I empathize with that. It's just a different view, and it scares people.

And that's why they get labeled as very scary people because they see it as you don't see it yeah but to bring it back to the vaccine we're facing now i was very concerned a few months ago because i had a lot of very smart people who are not anti-vaxxers texting me going i'm not going anywhere near this fucking vaccine and i was like jesus christ like what is happening and the more you then see from the public sphere of expertise talking about this and doing it i get why these people have their doubts forget the fact that it happens so quickly but you also it's like we were talking about earlier. I don't know if this was before the podcast or on it, but when you have guys like Bill Gates coming out and trying to beat these things into your head and he's not a doctor. And almost like rooting on this whole thing, shutting down the economy and, we're saving lives again. Fear of loss.

Right? You start to wonder huh. Why are they doing this? What's their agenda? What do they have to gain? What do I have to lose? Are you going to get it? It depends. Being honest.

I know people that have already got it. They have another head growing out of their shoulder? Could you imagine? You wake up, your wiener falls off. Someone's going to pay for that. I need answers now. Well, that was the conspiracy theory online. And by the way, people, let's be very clear.

There is no data to back this whatsoever. I'm just repeating what some people on reddit got bored and were saying but they're like what if what if the vaccine is going to sterilize 25 percent of us so they can control population and my head goes to all right chill out chill out cowboy like that's that's not what they're doing and then my head does also go to... Could you imagine? Yeah, could you imagine? What happened? Say, let's just say this is what they did. Oh, it was an accident.

We are so sorry. Now what? Hmm. 25% of the country can't have kids. God, go jerk off into a sperm bank before you get it i'm investing in any company that does adoptions yeah terrible to say just i'm kidding but yeah i i mean yeah and and again there's nothing could you imagine there's nothing to back that book yeah could you imagine that it's just you start to ask questions when you see people rooting against positivity, and that's what our public sphere government is doing. They're rooting against it.

They're saying stay home. They're saying, oh, those – Fauci, there's going to be a second one. Second wave. We're in the fourth wave now. The guy has changed his opinions more than he's changed his underwear. I'm sorry i know he's a doctor and we're supposed to trust him but trust is built on admitting when you're wrong number one and number two also having some level of accuracy the problem is this is all on the go so there is

no accuracy there is no signs to base anything they're doing fair they're just taking a shot in the wind just doesn't remember at the beginning though they were saying it's on surfaces yeah you know what live on your box so when you get your package leave it in the garage that's what i knew that's what i knew when the amazon guy came day one and delivered a package to every single door in the apartment building and no one fucking got covid yeah exactly well it's not on surfaces you can live on a surface for three days. Yeah. What? And they said not to wear masks beforehand. And look, let's take Fauci's side explanation on that where he said, well, we were so unprepared that we had such a shortage for our first responders that we were worried about not having enough masks. Okay, fair point.

You still have to contend with the fact that you did technically lie to the public so how can you then expect them to trust you moving forward even if you did it for the right reasons too too many yeah yeah i agree yeah it's just there's no fixing it once that trust is broken it's done so that's why i feel it's just going to grow and grow and grow until the science says hey this is safe to get and my other thing is the coordinated censorship of anyone who has the audacity to to introduce different scientific ideas about this by the social platforms yeah tells me well it doesn't tell me it it lends me the question i guess that's how you say it if it's not true or if it doesn't have the potential

to be true for it or if it's that wrong then why are you shutting down people saying it yeah yes there will be some people who cling to it but why as soon as it gets posted you take it right down yeah why would you freedom there's freedom of speech out there why is this happening i i'm a believer that you put all the ideas in the public square and yes are there some stone-cold idiots who are going to believe things that have no evidence absolutely it's the law of math, dude. Over time, you are, the better evidence argument is going to win. Absolutely. So like when you say, if you're in 1850 and you're out in the public square saying, guess what? Black people are

humans the same way we are. Yes. Were there people who were saying you're an idiot and you're scientifically wrong? Sure. Were there a lot of people back then saying that sure keep saying it over time apparently enough people believed it to fight a war over and say yeah this this was this was a big mistake we got this one wrong way wrong you know and you know what it's taught that kind of stuff is taught that you know we're going to believe this believe that it gets pushed into you so much what do you mean taught well save you know, we're going to believe this. Believe that. It gets pushed into you so much. What do you mean, taught? Well, say, you know, the flat earth people. It was pushed into their heads, like, you know what I mean? It was forced. If you said the world was

round, you got hung. When was that? Remember, uh, who it was, I forget the years, but it was you were hung. If you went against the science, you were hung. So that's why nobody was really researching stuff, because if you went against it, you were ostracized. You nobody was really researching stuff because if you went against it you were ostracized you were killed if you tried to stir up they basically saw you

being a pot stirrer and that's the danger because obviously we have nothing like that right now not even close but we have the the public squares are socials yeah it's where they are and that's where free speech is supposed to apply but they are private organizations so when by the way right now as it stands when they do this stuff and they shut down speech they are allowed to do that they are within their rights as the current legal code stand yeah to do that but we need to figure out the fact that they they literally are that public square so we need to change that because when they do it they have the effect of suppressing free speech yeah and we're and by the way i'm not saying that some of this stuff where you have other scientists and i big air quotes they're coming out and making these other claims i'm not saying there's not

some looney tune shit and everybody's a scientist oh yeah i watched the plandemic documentary and left my ass off and there's a lot of people that bought that that was some looney tune shit there was another guy on there i i can't even remember what he was saying he gave this long like two hour it was like a two-hour dissertation on math with covid and he's just some brilliant guy who wanted to talk people in a circle. Yeah. And like, yes, there are some people that are going to believe that guy. Absolutely.

But you have to let the ideas win. You can't just shut it down right away. You have to have free speech, open, safe spaces to talk about things. Because if you don't, nothing's going to get better. Nothing's going to change. Why do you think Europe has less of a drinking problem than we do there's no drinking age yeah once you once you tell people they can't look at portugal everything is legal they have their everything has went down astronomically what do you think of of oregon doing it legally yeah let's start there i agree tax everything yeah i

feel the less you make it so scary the less people are going to mess with it uh it's just whatever exactly just make it so it's out there people know know about it, and guess what? We'll see what happens. Yeah. It takes a lot of violence away too, potentially. Yeah, a lot of – It's got to be done right. Yeah. People are so, so ingrained and –

This is bad. They're so ingrained and doctored into thinking a certain way that they can't open their minds to things. Are you familiar with the Silk Road at all? Yeah. Which one? Silk Road 2.0? Silk Road... I had a different username on each one! Yeah. I studied that. Dread Pirate.

Yeah. Dread Pirate Roberts. Ross Ulbrich, who's relevant right now. In prison. Trying to get himself out. I study that closely. And for people that aren't familiar, the Silk Road was a deep web website that the real one, the full one, existed from 2011 through 2013.

And it was a global site where using a platform, a browser called Tor, which makes it secretive. You had to use that to use it. And you had to have it in your computer to use it. Yeah. You could go on there and you could effectively, through the mail, buy whatever drug you wanted. And Ross Ulbrich, who built it and ran it and was later

caught by the FBI and then received what turned out to be a very controversial sentence of life in prison, no parole, which has been a movement since then, and it's relevant because Trump might commute his sentence. He was a radical libertarian who took it too far. He believed borderline no government, which can't work in my opinion. Will never work.

Yeah, that just doesn't happen. There has to be a higher power at all times. But the concept, one of the concepts behind it, I can never get out of my head because I think there was a lot of good to it. Maybe good's the wrong word. It was very interesting. But what he was saying is that people are going to decide what they put in their bodies. I don't want people doing heroin. I don't want people doing heroin.

I don't want people doing very hard drugs. I don't think he cared at all about weed or mushrooms and stuff, stuff that doesn't kill you. But if they have the decision to put it in their bodies, it's their call. Let them do it and decriminalize all of it and allow it on the open market to take away all the violence that then comes into the world of the black market that's created absolutely the biggest fraud is the war on drugs that ever happened yeah there was nothing there's nothing has wasted more the government's money more of the government's time and it absolutely fell on its face because you knock one head off two grow because the money that's involved and the violence. So therefore, if you do legalize everything, the violence goes away because it's all going to be taxed and all controlled by the government. So therefore, it's all going to come in by a certain way, and it's all going to be controlled.

And how would it be like liquor and cigarettes where the government just puts a tax on it and now they also get a repository of anyone who uses so they can encourage them to go to rehab well portugal doesn't do it like that they do it as if we catch you with it you know you can't be selling it but if you have it you're not in trouble and it does if they will get you help it's a lot less you know stigmatized like oh my, he's a bad person. It's just, hey, let's get this guy help,

get this girl help, and we'll go from there. It's more the government funds it where, you know, nowadays you want to go to rehab, you better have good insurance or you're going to go to some crappy state facility. Yeah.

And it's not like that. It's all funded by the taxes, fund a lot of that, and it's just, it's proven to be such a better system than what we have. Rehab's also a racket. A lot of people go to jail over that charging too much for drug tests i think like a drug test in rehab costs around like 1500 so what they charge insurance i would see i i don't

know any of these guys personally but i heard the stories through my network all the time about guys who just got so rich opening up rehab centers no history themselves no they just built these beautiful places and charged thirty thousand dollars a day not literally and then paid people to go and find addicts to bring them into their rehabs and they would get a piece of their insurance money yep they get it's like subsidized yeah it's such everything follows the money yeah if there's money involved shit's gonna go down now what about if we made it legal though the government would have to compete on price with the black market because you know the black market already puts a huge

for all the expenses they have they still put a huge up market on product right now because they can they can monster premium yes they could maybe still compete on price and make money yeah make money and guess what the taxes you put the good and that's what they're trying to do but there's it's just for so long it's been beat into your head that drugs are bad drugs are bad and i think that's a problem because that created the whole dare thing and then therefore that created people that you know i'm going to do drugs i'm going to rebel they see it as someone that does drugs someone that's rebelling but it's not it's someone that you know it's almost a cry for help i feel like it can be different too each person is different yes it's all people have different impetuses or impedi

whatever it is to actually start start. It involves your experience. Genetics plays a role. There's all these things. Oh, yeah. And controversial take here, but we've all, or I shouldn't say all of us, but a lot of people have personal experience with 1, 2, 3, 10 people around them in their life who have experienced some form of struggle with this and gone through different systems whether it be drugs alcohol whatever and my personal opinion as a joe blow from the outside i look at the way some of these organizations handle

their people after rehab in life and to me there is not how do i put this they constantly remind you make a point out of reminding you that a you are not normal b you are sick and c no you are going to make the worst decision because that's your nature and so you can't do x y and z because you will fall back to this and they beat it in you over and over and over again every week or every day for some people telling you you're not normal you can't be like anyone else and and you're sick i mean you can't do this you can't do that it's all based around this oh no if he does this this is what's going to happen oh no if you hang out with this person you're going to do drugs again it's not it's each person has their own choice and it's

a choice but it's a disease but it's also a choice to stop and it's a choice to do it but it is a disease where you know what that person is an addict but guess what they're not a terrible person yeah you know a lot of addicts go on to be great, you know, great at whatever they do or whatever they want to do. They're normally some of the most – they have the strongest will you've ever met out of somebody. Oh, my God. Yeah. And that's what I'm saying. They try to tell everyone that's not possible for them is my point.

Oh, yeah. They're going to be – they're going to have a crutch the rest of their life. Yes. And so I know some people, several people who were heavily addicted to heroin yeah and one of them i love listening to him speak on it because it was a it was it was a while ago now and he broke out from that world i'm talking about after he got clean which was very difficult he got clean it's a serious process it It never happens the first time. No.

It takes attempt after attempt after attempt until finally everything you've learned finally comes together and clicks. But then not going back, the way they do the system, obviously... You can't get caught up in it. Well, not even just that. On a lower level,

like the actual lifelong rehab of it, it's constant meetings and reminders and telling you you're not normal and telling you don't make that decision. It's don't, don't, don't. It's not empowering. And so one of the things he figured out, he was about two years out, and the way he described it is he goes, look, I don't expect people to understand this, but when you're on heroin, it is the most addictive thing ever you can't live without it and it's to your point like you just said it is so hard to kick but if you actually do kick it and so many people don't they never get there if you actually do kick it you a lot of people that he

knows and he himself said it as well you get to a point where then it's positive to think about it because you realize how satanic it is that's how he described you gotta realize how crazy you were living oh yeah but he says i think about the drug and not only do i never even in my worst moments have an even questionable thought of doing it again the idea i would sooner put a gun to my head because that's how bad it makes me feel well yeah you're you're gonna go back and set yourself up to fail again yeah well not even that just the feeling itself forget that i mean you're a total failure when you're doing that but he said that's not how they treated it in the whole rehab process so he's a really smart guy was

coming out was getting jobs was starting to do well in the world and he was constantly being reminded of this and he said one day i was just like this ain't it they're just telling me over and over again i'm sick and all i'm telling them is i'm focused on my career and i'm trying to talk about the things i'm doing and they want to constantly remind me that i was a heroin addict and so he just got up and left never went back best decision you ever made it's always in your face yes and there's different strokes for different folks guess what going to a meeting every day might help this person it might what yeah this this other person wants to put it in the rear view and that's perfect everybody is different that's a good point and maybe the the greater point that I should make as an equalizer on this is that perhaps the system of a constant reminder for some people is actually needed.

But they claim no matter what, for everyone it's needed. And there are people out there who are like – Yeah, they believe that. But there are also a lot of people who then suddenly think well no that's not good for me yeah and they're right it's not because they're an addict and they're looking for a crutch or an excuse to go back they're just saying no that was a period of my life i got past it and i'm focused on my life now and i don't want to constantly be reminded i'm sick exactly i'm focused on where i'm going now not where i was

yeah i don't want to be reminded every day of all the shit i did in the past it's all the people i hurt yeah it's conditioning yeah yeah it's the end and that's what i think about with to bring it back to to covet as well there's a lot of conditioning with how they market this thing oh yeah and move the goalposts. They have to. What do you mean? I think they have to market it the way they want it because if they don't, then what? They didn't do it the way they wanted, and therefore if it fails,

they can blame it on whoever they want. Oh, the people didn't allow it to set it. What do you mean they're marketing it the way they want it? Well, say you own a product. Hold on. Headphones isn't working. Oh, yeah. Hit this right here. Just roll this around. Okay.

You got that? Yeah. Cool? Yeah. All right. Go ahead. So they're going to market it the way they want it. So say if they didn't market it the way they wanted it and it didn't work, they could always blame it on that. Hey, we didn't get it out to the public the way we wanted.

But this way, if they do it the way they want, therefore they can always, hey, the public didn't receive the way we did it. We did it the right way. They just fought against it. want to constantly tell people ahead of time literally by saying they've said the second wave the third wave the fourth wave throughout all these months they're telling people in advance that we're going to fail they're not saying like hey let's try to go do a good job they're saying for example all right so we'll probably see a surge in two weeks because thanksgiving is on thursday and people are even though we're telling everyone not to go see each other, people are definitely going to go do it. They're not going to listen to us and then we're going to have

this big surge. So no Christmas, everyone. Christmas is canceled. That's what I'm saying. How do they... Why do they want that? They're covering their ass. Yeah. Sadly, that might be right. Yeah. They're covering what they have to cover so therefore they can always put

the blame elsewhere. It was you're covering what they have to cover, so therefore they can always put the blame elsewhere. It was you guys who didn't listen to us. That's the system, though. Yeah, sure. No term limits. Everyone is looking short term. They don't want to be the guy that blew it. Yeah.

They can't be because it would be career suicide. But then the other side is like Gavin Newsom. Gavin Newsom not only is going to get body bagged and whenever the next election is he may not make it to that election they have 800 000 signatures right now to 900 000 to recall him he's a hated person why why is he doing why is he digging in i guess what he believes in i don't i don't think he believes in shit yeah no It's just, some people love the fight. They love to be the heel. Just the way it goes. It's a power thing.

Yeah, all the attention's on him. Yeah. I think, I got one other theory on this. I want to bat your way. I got a theory. One guy looked at me once. I was sitting with him him and he was a successful dude in the music industry

and he was walking through how music, how singles go like how they really choose the single of the album not even choosing it how you know that you hit

a hit is a hit is a hit I mean yeah you could even go that simple but this guy said if the bitches bump it it's going okay and i was laughing because you know i said it slang but then i thought about it in the context of marketing you know men go after women and on the hetero side obviously and they they follow them where they go like that's what we do and think about all the social platforms okay so let's even skip over myspace let's go straight to facebook. So roughly in this order, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Snapchat, and what am I missing? TikTok.

Oh, TikTok. Yeah, good example. Are any of those platforms aesthetically or user base designed for a male? No, it's sexy. It's what sex sells. Yeah, I know who's going to sell. It's not even just the sex sells. It's even a layer below that.

Let's look at Instagram as the best example. If I would have told our group of friends, like my group of guy friends in 2012 when Facebook was the thing, if I would have said, guys, five years from now, we're going to be on this app called Instagram. And the way you use this app, it's an all-white app where, including us as guys, we're going to take pictures where we edit it in filters on VSCO and upload it with beautiful looking aesthetics. That's going to be a word. Yeah. And the way that we get clout on this platform is people tap a heart button that turns a beautiful bright red when they see our picture. And by the way, the text is all this size and like girly format. That's the one we're going to be using the most.

And you're going to love it. Yeah. You're going to to be addicted to it all of us would have said we're nuts and you're going to care so much about what people think and how many likes you get oh i didn't get this many likes it's designed for women women went there first to be aesthetic and then the guys followed them yeah and so they want to see women on the instagram they yeah they want to see them and then then they become a part of it. And I could paint that example with every platform. You go back to Facebook, you look at the photo albums and the white on light blue and everything. Now look at COVID.

The marketing, and I say marketing, the way they present it to people is like family they talk to everyone like their kids they put out the ads that say wear a mask social distance people are smiling hugging their cartoons half the time the the governors are getting memed online and women fawn over them and stuff like that's how that that's how we move the goalposts over time to where people were just so worried about it because they went after the protector gene in women this is my little theory i have and women are all about nurturing and taking care of the family and making sure everyone's fed and i'm just talking in in like biology over time yes and they went after there there is nothing more powerful than a motherly bond to protect her

kids and the people around her yeah and they go after that and that then drives the sentiment because then they get those women and those women online then parrot the message everywhere and then we as guys also all buy it yeah all of it have to. Have to. And by the way, there's a lot of it that's true. I'm just saying the extreme that they take it to, that's how they do it. Scare the shit out of you. Fear. It's all fear-based, right? Yeah.

If only, what percentage of people die? It's not even a percentage, right? I'm not even going to say it because I'll get the number wrong. It's like.2, something crazy. Don't die. If you're 70 and above, I remember this one. If you're 70 and above, as of September with the CDC report, I think I've cited this 100 times on this show,

you have a 5.5% chance of dying. And what if you have an underlying issue? I don't know that number, but I know that if you have a comorbidityorbidity it's significantly higher now what about the flu nobody has the flu right now what's that about i did look at that there are some there there are number stats on on the flu this year what's crazy is everything is getting lumped in the covid because of that federal funding i know people that have got a covid test left didn't get test, got the call that they got the positive COVID test. He goes, I didn't even take the test. What are you talking about?

Oh, sorry, we made a mistake. Come on. Swear to God. Left, did not take the test. Got a call. Oh, sorry, we made a mistake. And that's the shit that removes trust in the system. Yeah.

And look, the other side of it is you get trump coming out and saying oh we're we only have more cases because we're doing more testing like that's an answer it's not if there's if there's people dying and shit you can't say that that's not how it works because the percentages will always be the same i just think everyone's dropped the ball there's no nuance people are, we're all gonna die, we have death counts on TV. 300,000, 200,000, I forget what it's at, but it's high.

What does that do for our psychology? Scares the shit out of you. Yeah. But then you also have people like, I'm gonna fucking go out and not have a problem. See these bars down south just packed with people. And then you wonder why they get it. Yeah.

I sincerely hope you are extremely wrong, though. Five years of mass, that's not happening. Do you see it ending anytime soon? We all thought, oh, once 2020 is over, we'll be all right. Fair point. Oh, once 2020 is over, everything will be okay. Well, guess what? It's about to be 2021 in about a couple days

and it's worse than it was when we started I think people are nearing their breaking point with it though and again I say this all the time and I'll say it again living in New Jersey during this I wear a mask everywhere I go I'd rather just be like right about it or on the right side of history with it

just in case that really makes a difference and there's data to suggest it really does so cool it's just i don't want to accept a reality where we're gonna be doing that into perpetuity that's where i draw the line so at some point here there's a chasm that gets crossed and maybe it's as we get trust in the vaccine which i don't want to believe the conspiracy theories i want to believe that that's legitimate and continue to see people to get it and have no side effects we're limited on a mathematical basis maybe it's doing that over the next six seven months and time will tell yeah and then we all just get it if the vaccine falls on its face what happens

do we do the thing that i said everybody has to get it in two weeks we're all right If the vaccine falls on its face, what happens? Do we do the thing that I said, everybody has to get it and two weeks are all right? They won't officially do that, but there will be a herd immunity. Yeah, they'll have to. The country cannot survive continually doing this and doing this and doing this. The thing about the Europe stuff and watching those riots is those people know what it's like to not have full freedom yeah they know because a lot of those governments have had spotty histories during the course of the history of our country where they're not pure democracies where they control their people and and do things that harm an individual's right to freedom and the pursuit of happiness.

Sure, especially in Eastern Europe. So they know what it's like not to have that. And they know, therefore, what that looks like. Whereas here, we don't know what that looks like. So we just lay down. Yeah, we trust. Exactly. We trust.

We trust. Oh, it's going to work out. It'll be okay. I mean, shit, I've done it too. I'm not sitting here like, never done that, never been like, oh, we's going to work out. It'll be okay. I mean, shit, I've done it too. I'm not sitting here like never done that, never been like, oh, we're going to be fine. I've said that during the pandemic. I'm just knowing now 9, 10, 11 months in, whatever it is.

Okay, this is where we got to ask ourselves some hard questions. I remember it kicked off and the sports stopped. I remember telling all my people, three months, sports will be back. Don't worry. We'll be back to betting. Sports will be back three months. Three months came and went like this, and nothing changed. That's when I was kind of like, man, this is going to be bad.

And it's been terrible since. You remember when it was 30 days right at the beginning? Alright. Two weeks of... It's two weeks for where the virus can incubate. So we'll do two weeks and then to be safe, we'll do two more. Yeah. And we're going to be good.

We're fine. We're perfect. I'll tell everyone. Nine months later, here we are. Yeah. I remember Trump coming out like, I want to reopen Easter. Yeah.

I think it'd be the great... Everyone's going to be in the church. Everyone's going to be in church by April 1st, he said. What did he call it? The great. He said something. He named it like with Easter. Like the great.

I forget what he said, but it was beautiful. It wasn't the great reopening. It was the Easter. It was like brilliant and completely wrong. Wasn't resurrection. Was not even in the realm of possibility and he still came out and said and that's and that another example fauci comes out in february and says you don't ha ha ha you don't need a mask or beginning of march trump comes out and goes ha

ha ha we're gonna be open in april it's gonna go away remember that masks were bad yeah then you gotta wear a mask but that's the point you have two people who are on the opposite side of the spectrums i don't understand how the government did that how they let them both battle it out like that they had to be they should have fixed that and nipped that in the bud before it even happened chaos chaos yeah how did they allow that to happen where one side was going to be totally you know what i mean you remember falchi's face at the one press conference where trump's up there he goes he wouldn't let him talk after a while we're doing uh we're doing good work out there despite all the the deep state as i call it and you just see fauci like oh my god did he just call me that operation like trying not to laugh operation warp speed that that that's when you know uh-oh was like what did you just call that

Operation Warp Speed Warp Speed I thought of the name myself Trump thought he could market his way out of this just like the Space Force can't do it man that's not how it goes and that's where his weakness and ego

comes into play because he is a true if you look at his career he is a true if you look at his career he is a true believer in the power of positive thought and speaking things into existence yeah he loves that loves to hear himself speak you can't do that with an invisible virus who would have thought it lasted this long that's that that's what he was betting on bad bet bad bet very. Very bad bet. Bad bet. He figured a month, two months, we'll be all right.

And for such a conspiracy theorist. The Chinese virus. Yeah. For such a conspiracy theorist, he should have been more like, oh, this must be way worse than I think. You would think he would do that. That's where it would be a positive for five minutes. Yeah. You know?

But he just really, it's amazing because I saw some of the last people in the world, I would think, support him. Now support him in the new election. And some of the last people in the world not support him to not support him. And now not support him in the election. I was like, ooh, uh-oh. I was looking at his numbers and how he called the last win was a red wave. He was close in a lot of states. You know, I'm not a big political guy, but I was checking out the numbers he won by a

artillery, and he did not win by, like, it wasn't a red wave like he said it was. No. No, it was a very tight election. Yeah. It was a very tight election. She won the popular vote, right, by like a couple million. Easy. She won it by like two and a half million yeah and that's you know we may see like a rewriting of the map here now too yeah they might have to do that san fran new york philly

going to austin which is already yeah a leftward city but it's in texas yeah going to miami you're seeing texas almost turn blue i think it's gonna i think Yeah. Going to Miami. You're seeing Texas almost turn blue. I think it's going to. I think it might happen. Yeah, sure. Absolutely. And then we are the only country, correct, that does the Electoral College.

Everybody else does the popular vote, right? I don't want to say for sure. I don't know. I do know that that's not a common system. It's very rare. I'm almost positive we're the only country that does it. You don't think we should do it? I've heard both sides. One side say then the vote – the little guy in Iowa, his vote wouldn't mean anything.

And I heard the other side say, well, it should be based on the numbers. Well, I just don't know enough about it to really say. You ever hear the concept of groupthink? No. Loosely, groupthink refers to the idea that when you put people into larger and larger groups, where one single voice becomes smaller and smaller as the group grows, the ability to critically think and come to nuanced opinions or opinions that can change lessons. Yeah, I can understand that. So think about, let's use the big stereotype, think about the Midwestern rural town of 100 people versus the 100 people that live within 100 feet of each other in New York City. Yeah.

Who means more? Right. So if you get one, regardless of what type of political ideology it is, Yeah. Who means more? where more people are just going to naturally gravitate and agree with you without thinking for themselves, that you run the risk of having small areas that geographically have their own little worlds that are way different from other little worlds that could exist in the same country, but this world, just because more people are there, wins out and legislates the entire country as a result. That's why I support the Electoral College because, as you said, they would never go to Iowa. They'd campaign in two cities.

That's it. They'd campaign in LA, New York, and that's it. They might go to Houston. They might go to Miami. Very rare. Chicago. That's it. Major, major, major cities. Wouldn't go anywhere else. And that's the biggest problem. There'd be no point. I think it's important in that

way and again i think we're going to see a potential big shift of red to blue states and blue to red state i don't know like i don't know how it irons out but especially when you look at twitter and threads on reddit and you see and then you look at the data we do have of the people moving and the power of the voice of the people moving. Which party is in more trouble? That is a great

question. What do you think? I think the Republican Party is in more trouble. Due to the fact that most of their supporters are older. It's my own, i'm going with the facts i would agree with you where i'll say that it's like a push in my mind to go either way is that the democratic party by and large in this situation has been the party of lockdowns and fear and they're pissing i have seen a lot of people

take the proverbial red pill who probably don't have a single right-wing belief other than what shouldn't be a right-wing belief which is literal freedom to do what they want to do but now they think they're a conservative absolutely just because of that i've been there in my life i have been on both sides of the spectrum there, blue pill, red pill, where I went to a side not because, and I didn't know this at the time, you get so caught up in it, not because I believed in everything that side was doing, but because I repelled certain things that the other side was doing.

So bad. Yeah, and now I'm out of that bubble, and I'm very self-conscious of it, but most people, they don't come out of that. No, they drink the Kool-Aid. Yeah. And they just – they'll follow that other one and they'll go around. Geographically, though, I agree with you. If I were making the bet strictly on traditional voting and the geography, Republicans are in deep shit.

Deep shit with the age gap. Deep – not even just the age gap, dude. Where these people are going. Let's assume there's no age gap, dude. Where these people are going. Let's assume there's no age gap, which there is. You're right. But these people are spreading out. They're going to Texas. They're going to Florida.

Big swing states and not a swing state that they could turn the other way. Exactly. And they're just... There's no fighting that. No. I don't know, man. It'll be fun to see. And they're just, there's no fighting that. Yeah. I don't know. And it'd be fun to see. I think a lot does depend on who the candidate is, too.

Some people fall in love with a candidate and can, you know. How many people sit in the middle? They're not a Democrat, they're not a Republican, but they're not independent. Not a lot. Yeah. Well, one final question for you on that point. What do the Republicans do with trump out of the way like who do they even fill the void with he's so controversial but he's the loudest voice in the

room yeah they didn't even want him they were forced he was forced into their camp right yeah uh don't find it don't bring somebody up don't find a golden boy the insider outsider insider oh they're going with someone they can control this time. They're not allowing that. They're not allowing this to happen again. Actually, I'm sorry. I've left one final question. Is he running

in 2024? No, he's too old. I think he'll be too old then. Does he think he's too old? I can't take it if he runs i can't do that again no he's too old he's still he'll be what 80 then he's gonna be like 78 yeah eight no come on he's a machine though i gotta give him that the guy doesn't sleep so he'd be what when he was done 84 come on that that that's too old you're too out of touch at that point

all right let me ask you this you You put Trump up, forget his politics, from a strictly energy and vibe and even, this isn't the term, but like, no, not work ethic, like workhorse mentality. Put him up against any Republican in public office right now who is, say, between the ages of 55 and 60 if you can think of some who can compete with him we'll smash him into the ground he's the greatest salesman out there right now for the public department that's what i mean nobody can talk with him he could fall now look he could fall off a cliff sure like i've said before i used to caddy for joe biden's brother-in-law all the time i stood next to joe biden in the summer of 2014 and he comes up he's he's busting balls with everyone on the practice tee he was yoked i remember thinking myself god damn this veep's like 72 years old this motherfucker's like 50

in the good juice i'm like wow and then you see him come up to run for office in 2019 you're like oh what happened so it can happen fast yeah the the toll of being in the office takes a big toll on you yeah age two times three times or whatever you were going to do you don't sleep you don't you're not getting the right rest regardless of politics i just i do really hope whatever is going to go down here i I just think it's better for us that Trump lost the election now. And that's it with him. He held on for a while. He was not giving up.

He's still not giving up. Yeah. But once Mitch McConnell said it, I think that's it. Oh, it's definitely it. Oh, it's official. Oh, it's past it. All the bets have went through. It's past it, but he's still fucking yapping out there. It's crazy.

He still wants people to fight for him. That's what I mean. He's going to get taken out in a straitjacket out of that point. He's not going to leave. They're going to bring the army in to get him out of there. If he does that, he will be, regardless of whatever he's done in the past that you might think is good,

he'll be the most damaging person in the history of politics if he stays in that office. If he doesn't get the fuck out on January 20th... Will people still love him? Will his lover... Yes. Like he said, I could shoot somebody on Fifth Avenue

and the polls won't change. Yeah. Well, he needs to get the fuck out. Yeah, it's time. You win, you lose, you win like a man. Dude. it's time you win you lose you wouldn't like a dude He's acting like a real sissy. I'm a dude. I'm not I am NOT Stuttering on this whatsoever if he does not leave that office on inauguration day if he does not leave the White House That will be the most damaging day in the history of this country It'd be so bad so let's not assume could you imagine the coverage on that you see looking at the window i don't even want to think of it that way now you're gonna make me laugh you know melania's gone he's she can't stand him as it is

i love when she goes to hold his hand and he's like reaching for it and she's like get off of me dude she's gone i think she already left i think the reports are she already left yeah really yes i'm pretty sure she's already because i'm pretty sure she already loaded up the truck and like she's back in new york already how'd she how'd she get back to new york city without pictures i don't care who you are i think she's saying that she's like going back and forth you know a lot of times they would go back and forth to florida i think she's saying she's going back and forth until it's over i think baron's in the i forget what they i forget reading i read it somewhere mom was 100 sure she's in new york yeah long reality show's gonna end yeah that

would be a scene of all scenes i mean don't get me wrong there's dark comedy to that yes but that's that's in the moment you're laughing because it's that surreal and fucking crazy. But the damage of that, I don't even want to put into words. Yeah. That's how bad that would be. There hasn't been a president yet that didn't, you know. Never. That when they lost, they didn't make a speech and congratulate.

The closest we ever got to this was Rooseveltosevelt ending the whole because it wasn't officially a law the two-term thing everyone had just honored it and he said no fuck that i'm gonna stay going yeah but people didn't argue it and it wasn't that big a deal after that they made it and after that they made it a law now will he on the inauguration day will he be there no will he give a gift no no he and and i i think that's wrong but so wrong he won't yeah you're supposed to welcome them with a gift leave instructions his his ego is that if he got wronged he will he will wrong you twice back that's just how it is i mean that's i'm just reading the tea leaves of his actions and yes obama did all that for him yeah in 2016 2017 in where i'll defend trump is that obama completely

broke protocol and ripped him 12 ways to sunday without saying his name too which was really low blow that it's not even that it's a low blow. It's like, if you're going to do it, say his fucking name. Like, it's already Trump. It's easy to say his name. He brings it on himself. Say his name. But he broke protocol with that. And then Trump tweets out all this stuff that he claims Obama did.

Who knows what's true or what's not. But that's what he thinks. And so he's not gonna give into that no well we'll see it's gonna be it's gonna make for some pretty interesting scenes yeah we'll see all right well listen brother thank you for coming in this was fun absolutely you're you're one of the funniest humans i've ever met in my life and i think people got a little taste of it tonight touch because it was this was a little on the serious end yeah i didn't kid around that much yeah tough tougher time to kid around but yeah i'll be bringing you on in the future you're

you're my go-to on any bookie related stuff going on and just some good stories so we'll get there i've been looking at marilyn marilyn monroe the whole time it's a good view right yeah she's great now i know why kennedy almost gave it all up All these, we had to get that one in there. All right. Well, on that note, everyone else, give it a thought. Get back to me.

Peace.