Julian Dorey Podcast - #281 - Ancient Text Expert on Billy Carson, Secret Societies & Egyptian Sphinx | Anyextee

Episode Date: March 7, 2025

(***TIMESTAMPS in description below) ~ @Anyextee is an ancient civilizations historian. He was formerly music industry CEO and is now one of the world’s leading researchers in ancient symbolism, and esoteric traditions. PATREON: https://www.patreon.com/JulianDorey  FOLLOW JULIAN DOREY: INSTAGRAM (Podcast): https://www.instagram.com/juliandoreypodcast/   INSTAGRAM (Personal): https://www.instagram.com/julianddorey/   X: https://twitter.com/julianddorey  GUEST LINKS: - Anyextee YT: https://www.youtube.com/Anyextee  - Anyextee IG: https://www.instagram.com/Anyextee  ****TIMESTAMPS**** 00:00 - Anyextee approach to History, Billy Carson, Emerald Tablets 11:53 - Name of Egypt History, Supernatural Egyptians, Mayans 21:15 - Egyptian Afterlife, San Jose Esoteric Museum, Rosicrucians 30:11 - Anyextee & Diddy Situation, Twitter Beefs 43:20 - Esoteria, Color Red & Meaning (Psychology), Music Industry 57:43 - Meaning of Life Confusion, Joe Budden & Floyd Mayweather Connection 1:14:01 - 50 Cent & Eminem Records, Living w/ Floyd Mayweather, Joe Budden 1:30:20 - Traveling World & Learning Ancient Religions, Ancient Texts of Luxor 1:42:30 - John Anthony West (Astrology) & Secret Societies 1:56:20 - Mysticism & Supernatural Realm, Sit Down w/ the Devil 2:10:36 - John Anthony West Sphinx Theory & Robert M. Schoch, Sphinx Geology 2:24:04 - Narmer’s Palette vs Egyptian Sphinx 2:33:16 - Challenging Egyptian Sphinx Water Erosion Theory of John Anthony West 2:42:13 - Pineal Gland, Meditative Practices Tapping into History (Channeling) 2:53:50 - Hidden Entrances of the Sphinx  CREDITS: - Host & Producer: Julian D. Dorey - In-Studio Producer & Editor: Alessi Allaman - https://www.youtube.com/@alessiallaman Julian Dorey Podcast Episode 281 - Anyextee Music by Artlist.io Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Never would have guessed it. Dude, this music's my ears because all the time on this podcast across whatever topics we do, because we do every different kind of topic here, I'm always bringing up the universal law of physics, which says for every action, there's an equal but opposite reaction, which is supposed to mean it creates equilibrium in the middle. And I wish we just lived in a society. Yeah, we'll be talking about that today. I wish we just lived in a society where the pendulum swings weren't here. Like even if they

were here, that would that would be markedly better. And so to hear somebody like you who let's call it what it is, like if you really want to monetize things to the max degree, you take a hard opinion in one way or the other. But if you're someone who's like, well, hold on, there's good things here, good things there. Don't agree with this. Don't agree with that. It can actually have the opposite effect where people are like, oh, fuck this guy because he doesn't appeal to my exact worldview. But I value that a ton and i like having voices like that on my podcast so this is gonna be good today yeah well that's that's just

the thing you know julian it's like everything is so polarized right now it's either the left or the right it's this it's that it's republican it's democrat it's alternative it's mainstream you know i i am strictly independent i have no allegiance to either side. I'm only here for true understanding and raising consciousness from my own experience, from my own in-depth research, from my own world travels, you know, and being able to share that with others so that ultimately, if we can help raise consciousness, the world would be a better place. Excellent. Yeah. And you were actually, you were one of the OGs getting lawsuits from Billy Carson back in the day as I understand. What happened there? Because we just – we accidentally just got in the middle of this when we had Wes Huff in here.

And then when the episode was coming out, Wes – I come at it from a very different worldview than Wes does. I don't agree with his overall standing of where history is, but he knows how to back things up. Billy has no idea how to back things up, you apparently ran into problems with billy years ago i i assume for calling out some of the bullshit yourself yeah that's that's exactly what happened and and i can really appreciate what wes has brought to the table because it's the same right i'm i was born christian but i i'm not i wouldn't consider myself a christian today i study the world's religions and the ancient religions and the mystery traditions. Um, so, you know...

But I can respect his, you know, his meticulous scholarship. He's well-studied, he's well-versed. I mean, he has the books, he's actually reading the books. And that's the problem with Billy, where if you're positing yourself and propping yourself up as an expert, and you're appearing on these television programs or appearing at these conferences and major media outlets and you're speaking with so much conviction, throwing all these ideas at someone who may not be familiar with them, who may be credulous and may not understand the distinctions. You know, it's easy to kind of get over on people.

And so the issue started with me and Billy. There was actually never, he threatened to sue me. He never did. He lied. He told the general public. Yes. Billy Carson lied. He told the, imagine that. I would never guess it. He literally told his audience, you know, and this hurt me for a while. It's reasons like this, why I haven't been able to progress. Cause you've got a big audience people listen to what their cult leader is telling them they're going to believe it blindly without challenging it you know not everyone but um he told his audience that he had filed a lawsuit against me uh to basically shut me up and make an example out of me uh for def. I saw the text, yeah. Yeah, I sent you the text. I still have the communication

between me and Billy on Instagram. He threatened to send a cease and desist, which is nothing new to me, by the way, because I have over 20 years experience. I have a background in the music industry, which is run on IPR, intellectual property. It's not about selling music. It's about the rights of the music,

and the music industry is really about lawsuits. It's run by the lawyers. So cease and desist are nothing new to me. I've received hundreds of them and I've sent out hundreds of them dealing with artists and musical rights. But yeah, he threatened to sue me for defamation. He said he was going to make an example out of me. And this is way back. Billy's had a few people try to debate him over the years so often debate him recently west okay before him there's another researcher archaics billy didn't want to take that debate um but we didn't he didn't take the debate because archaics has um a background there's some legal issues there and so billy didn't want to give him the

time of day and archaics is really well researched you know he's hitting the books i'm not going to say I agree with all of his conclusions. But when it comes to the stuff that he was pointing out about Billy in most cases, out and just got on. And I'd already been, I've been aware of Billy for a while because I used to run a relatively large Facebook group. It was the first, one of the first esoteric groups on Facebook known as Adept Initiates. We had a community of over 200,000 people at one time. It was thriving. This is before esotericism started becoming really trendy and cool and popular. I've been into this stuff for a long time. And Billy found his way into the group. So I've been into this stuff for a long time. And Billy found his way into the group. So I've been aware of Billy since he was just starting out on Instagram.

Fast forward, long story short, when he published his book, he had an appearance on the Jimmy Church radio show. And he mentioned how Sir Isaac Newton translated the Emerald Tablets of Thoth, the Atlantean priest. Now, he has a book. It's a number one seller on Amazon right now. And if you go to a category of like Egyptian history, his book is number one. And it's not Egyptian history. It's comical.

Anyway, it's a bestseller. And his book is about the Emerald Tablets of Thoth. And this is based on the work of Maurice Doriel, all right, who is an author from the 20th century, early to mid-1900s. Okay, so Billy has taken work from this book and claiming that they're ancient texts. And he claimed, the first thing that stuck out for me is he claimed that sir isaac newton had translated the emerald tablets plural tablets with ness multiple tablets um and i know that's just not the case because when how do we know that when everything came out maybe 2003 to 2005 somewhere the newton's uh those documents came out about newton and i very early on i was able to analyze and take a look at it and i know that newton had

what he did is he didn't translate the emerald tablets of the atlantean priest king he translated and added commentaries to the singular emerald tablet of hermetic tradition which we brought here a replica of here in the studio yeah this is so cool i gotta hold this up you can actually and you guys won't be able to appreciate this as much on camera i don't think maybe you can see it alessi on there but like it's a i was trying to get the the light can you see like the reflection on camera it is a translucent it's very it's translucent but i'll hold it up to the camera so people can see but pretty cool i don't know what the fuck it says but you're gonna tell me that well it's actually i i i know what it says only from the translations.

I'm not going to pretend that I can read text that I can't actually read. Oh, so Billy Carson can do something you can't? Well, according to Billy Carson, he can read the Sumerian cuneiform. He's an expert in all these texts. What Billy Carson is, is an expert at reading crystalinks.com and alternative blog authors. And he's been around, you know, he spoke at a lot of conferences. So he's picked up bits and pieces from different people along the way. Everyone's given him the platform.

And, you know, it is what it is. But this is actually, this is an Emerald Tablet replica. And this is written in Phoenician dialect, which reads right to left, unlike our language, which reads left to right. It's like Egyptian hieroglyphs, which I can read, by the way. You can read hieroglyphs? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I studied Middle Egyptian hieroglyphs under a PhD-degreed Egyptologist. I never have gone beyond high school. Right after high school, I just went straight to work and started hustling. But I paid a PhD-degreed Egyptologist as part of a program to teach me the Middle Egyptian hieroglyphic language.

In addition to that, I've been leading esoteric tours to Egypt for over 10 years. Yeah, you do tours like all over the world. All over the world. We do Egypt. We do the Yucatan in Mexico. We do South America, so Peru, Bolivia, Easter Island. I do Turkey. I do Jordan, all through Adeptinitiates.com.

And if you think this is a shameless plug for my tours, it is. But no, it's deeply rewarding for me because we get to facilitate transformational experiences for people. It's not uncommon to have people come together. And I've had people that have met on our trips and got married, had children, become friends. Because you often feel like you don't have a lot of people to talk about these topics with, the deeper esoteric stuff or aspects of ancient history. So when they come on tour together, you find a lot of like-minded interests from people all over the world. And a lot of people come for the archaeology. They want to see the sites. They want to hear about the history and the mysteries, and they want to learn also about the alternative theories. But what they don't realize is when they

come on my tour is they get so much more in terms of the, you know, the groups that you meet, the people you meet. It's actually the interactions in between everything. Everything's amazing, don't get me wrong, but it's the conversations on the the bus it's being able to dine with like-minded people you know so they're very powerful experiences and it's deeply rewarding for me beyond the money it's much deeper than the money because i get to one help raise consciousness and educate people while on these tours and you just have an experience unlike any other and you get to go to all these places and see the stuff you study and be a part i mean it's i i'm a history nut so like going to see like this in this case like very ancient things and like try to understand what these human beings were doing at

the time or maybe someone else from another planet is a wild wild thing and you get to teach it at the same time it's so cool it's like scratching the itch, you know what I mean? It's interesting you say that, Julian, because that is what sort of, in a way, led me into some of this stuff. Extraterrestrials, you know, it could be, hey, man, I watched Ancient Aliens for 10 years, and before that, I read Zachariah Sitchin and Von Daniken back in the 90s, in my teenage years, coming of age.

Oh, you're an OG. OG. Honestly, it started for me with hip hop. It was listening to MCs like KRS-One talking about metaphysics or a killer priest from Wu-Tang affiliate talking about astral projection that made me want to understand what is this. Or KRS-One would talk about Egypt as Kemet. Kemet. K-M-T. That is the original name of Egypt.

Egypt is Greek. Egyptos. The original word for the – well, there are actually many names for the land of Egypt, but one of the more prominent names was Kemet, K-M-T. We today say Kemet. We use E like K-E-M-E-T. That's an Egyptological convention. So the hieroglyphs for Kemet are the hieroglyphs for K, M, and T. Right. Which give us the word Kemet, which means... That's like the guy, Landekim, has the channel. That's what it's a reference to, right? Gotcha.

Okay, but please continue. Yeah, I don't think the pyramids were chemical power plants. But yeah, exactly. Interesting opinion. He's, he's, I just, I've already scrutinized it. I pulled in a metallurgist and a chemist to look at his theory with me, and it just doesn't hold up. We find that it's baseless when held up on the scrutiny. But anyway, yeah, that word that he uses, chem, comes from chemit.

That was the name of the land, chemit, which meant the, it was the dark, rich alluvial soil that was deposited along the Nile, juxtaposed against Deshirt, which was the desert, the Red Desert. So the Red Desert, the Black alluvial soil, Kemet, Deshirt. They had other names too, like Ta-Seti, the Land of the Bow, or Ta-Miri, the Beloved Land. But Kemet was one big name. And we spell it with an E today because in hieroglyphs, you don't use vowels. There's no vowels in the written language. So what Egyptologists have to do is they'll often take an E to make it easy to pronounce in English. So if the word is K-M-T, Kemp, which is probably more pronounced from the throat, like a Kemet, Kemet. And we don't know exactly how ancient Egyptian was pronounced either. We have to go off of the Coptic records and what we know about the Rosetta Stone to try to assume what it may have sounded like. No one knows exactly what the

ancient Egyptian language sounded like. But the hieroglyphs KMT is for the land. And yeah, Egyptologists will add the E in there. It's not that vowels weren't spoken because vowels were sacred. The priests would do incantationsations magical spells and meditations using vowel sounds like oh you know not saying they used om but they would the vowel sounds you know they would pronounce them but they didn't write it into the written language but yeah kemet is one of the the ancient names for egypt and yes i've studied the hieroglyphic language i'm not saying that i can read every hieroglyph like newspaper because it's very complicated you have to hieroglyphic language. I'm not saying that I can read every hieroglyph like newspaper because it's very complicated. Hieroglyphs, it's a beautiful language and it doesn't take that long. Within a few months of intensive study, you can get a good grasp of it to the point where you

can walk in most museums or come on one of my tours to Egypt and look at the walls of the temples and the stela and the tombs and start to piece everything together because honestly a lot of it is recurring motifs and phrases and most of it is offerings most of the hieroglyphs you see in egypt is an offering formula and when you get to distinguish and know okay this is a hetep which is a specific offering formula it becomes easy to what do you mean but a little more expansion on offering for all of us out there. Yeah. So, you know, for the ancient Egyptians, their worldview was different than ours in a sense. They had a different ontology, a different understanding, right?

What is it that fascinates us about Egypt? You know? What is it that calls you to Egypt? It's the big megalithic sites. It's the pyramids. It's the architecture megalithic sites. It's the pyramids. It's the architecture. Everything, right?

I think it's deeper than that. It's not so much about the architecture. It's about the consciousness of the people behind it that resonates with us most. people who seen this whole or had an understanding of rather this whole unseen realm around us of what we say gods for them it wouldn't be god it'd be nature or nature do many gods nature is an ancient egyptian god right so so the ancient egyptians didn't have gods they had natures which were principles or aspect of nature and cosmology in other words the wind blows let's call that shu and that is in a sense a nature and in egypt whenever you have plural three or more of something many you have the sound ooh so neturu means many you have um the sound e if there's two so like the word for land in egypt is ta so if you have the two lands

upper and lower egypt you have tawee two lands so ta tawee tau uh nature neturi if there's two uh neturu if there's three or more so they had this concept of the netures which were like spiritual energies or uh you know really principles or aspects of nature and cosmology. Just like the Maya in Mesoamerica, right? They had a veneration for the rain. They had the rain god, Chaak. It was a way of taking the rain and personifying it, giving it a face, making it an our likeliness. You take the body of a human.

The ancient Egyptians would have these anthropomorphic figures where, you know, you have the body of a man and the head of a jackal or a dog, Anubis. Why? This is all esoteric symbolism. It's the body of a man to represent something in our likeness that we can grab. The ancients struggled to understand physics and metaphysics

and explain it like we do today. So they would take an image that's familiar with us, the image of man, and they'd put the image of, let's say, the head of a dog on it. Why? Because they were observers of nature. They weren't glued to their iPhones and going through Discord and running out to Best Buy to buy a new hard drive. You know, they were focused on their surroundings,

and they were observers of nature and the cosmos. And so they would see of nature and the cosmos. And so they would see that the dog had instincts. You could let a dog go at night, and it would find its way back home. It would eat the dead carrion, which had a more deeper, profound symbolic meaning for them, where it would eat the dead to have sustenance to bring itself life. It represented a cycle. And that is what is expressed in the vast majority of ancient Egyptian symbolism. It's cosmology, it's cycles, it's

death and life, it's destruction, creation, and understanding that these things go on cycles. So in order to sustain all of this that is given to us by the creator and the gods, we have to make offerings to appease the gods the maya in mexico did this you could go to usmal and you can see the freezes on the wall they would um you know they would burn the parchment and send the the smoke they first they would bloodlet this is the maya not the egyptians they would bloodlet they would take um bloodlet yeah they would take the uh the bone the tail of the stingray and and they would per- the shaman. This was a shaman that would do this.

And he would perforate his penis, his phallic member. And the blood would drip onto paper. They would light the paper- No! Wait, the shaman was stabbing his own dick? Oh, yeah. What? What is it, though?

It's a symbol of fertility, right? It's reproduction. This is the part of the body that's going to produce and bring new life. And so the blood would drip onto the paper. Is he like hard when he's doing it? I can't tell you. I wasn't there during it. Like how do you even get that to go?

Yeah. And I don't know what part of the ritual. Would you say it was a stingray? The bone? Yeah, they would use bone basically. You can see it if you um when you come on my trips to the yucatan you can see it at hushmal up on the on the freeze you can actually see the perforated penis there was a bunch of actually they removed a bunch of them because um

i forget it was one of the queens that had come there uh decades ago and they removed all the phallic symbols but some of them stayed behind anyway they did that in rome too there's some weird yeah weird little ties here but go ahead so yeah you can see the perforated penis and my whole point though is that the blood was an offering because blood is the life that we're thriving on the blood so we're giving back it's a very beautiful poetic thing in a sense we think of it today with our modern oh my god cringeworthy you know uh stabbing for them this is what produces life and this blood in me is a vital essence and i'm giving it back to creator that created me in the first place so by lighting the parchment it would turn into smoke and you know just like when you're sitting there smoking a

blunt it's a it's it's a ritual in a. And the smoke is going up into the air and anything that transcends the earth is, you know, in symbolist interpretation, it's spiritual, that which can transcend the earth. And so it was a way of reconnecting with the divine cosmos. And so the Egyptians were the same. They made offerings to the gods and they had to do it to sustain things in the afterlife the afterlife was a very you know complex can you explain the egyptian afterlife as they believed it please to the best of my knowledge sure let's do it and the whole well for them there was an afterlife and they i hate to say they were obsessed with it but it seemed to take up a lot of time during this life our temporal existence right this is temporal This isn't going to last.

This is my material self, my physical skin, but it's a meat suit. For the Egyptians, you know, within us, a lot of us today, we have different concepts, different spiritualities, traditions, and religions, but many of us believe in the concept of a soul, right? Do you believe in a soul? Absolutely. Okay. What is the soul for you? That's such a strange question I have to answer, but I would say it's the underlying meaning of someone's purpose on earth. Okay. How do you distinguish a soul from a spirit? Do we have spirit? I kind of don't. And this is totally subjective. When I talk about someone's soul, I'm kind of like in my head talking about their spirit but i

understand there's different contexts to it and it depends who you ask and different humans are going to give different interpretations and that's okay for the ancient egyptians it wasn't just a soul it wasn't one thing it was comprised of there were nine aspects of the soul two of them you may be familiar with it a more popular the bar and Ka. Are you familiar with the Ba and the Ka? The Ba, it's like a bird with the head of a man. It's the consciousness of man on the body of a bird because the bird has wings. Anything that has wings can transcend the earth. It's a spiritual creature.

The Ka, the symbol for it is usually arms extended to the side and your hands raised up. There's a hieroglyphic symbol for the Ka. You can pull it up. Maybe if we can pull up Ka and Ba. Now, these are two aspects of the soul. There's nine. There's also the Ak. And in the afterlife, so the Ka is your vital essence.

Vital essence. Yeah, it's what you breathe the moment. You're not, and the Rosicrucians, which is a Western esoteric organization, share this point of view, this ontology that you're not actually fully, you're alive when you're, you know, you're not, when you're in the womb,

it's not until you come out of the womb, until you come out of your mother and gasp for your very first breath, that's when the car, for the ancient Egyptians, the car comes into your body. So when you take that first breath into life, you're infused with the Ka and it stays with you throughout life.

And it is your spiritual double. It's your... It's C-A, right? K-A, Ka. Because you got a Boston accent. I got a K-A-R. And you're just leaving the R. I got to make sure.

I got my Kakis and my Kakis and I park the car in the Harvard Yard. We don't know if it's K-A-R, and you're just leaving the R. I got to make sure. I got my cockies and my cockies, and I parked the car in the Harvard Yard. We don't pronounce our R's. I'm originally from Boston. Are you a fucking cop? Yeah. Are you a fucking cop? Tell me, Jimmy. Are you a cop?

Listen, so yeah, we don't pronounce our R's. I have to struggle to pronounce R. In fact, so it's funny. I mentioned the Rosicrucians i um the rosicrucians have a uh um a museum in san jose california the egyptian rosicrucian egyptian museum it displays the largest they have the largest collection of authentic artifacts in american northwest from egypt um they they've been doing they were the pioneers of doing these alternative or spiritual tours to

Egypt very early on, before anybody was doing, you know, general, before anybody was doing these unique specialty tours, the Rosicrucians were leading spiritual pilgrimages to Egypt, and they developed connections, and they brought back a lot of artifacts, and that entire block is amazing. If you ever have the opportunity to go to San Jose, it has its own zip code. They have an alchemy garden. They have the lodge where the esoteric organization practices its rituals and rites. They have a staff research library, which I've spent entire weekends going through. Like, yeah, literally, I drive a few hours down and spend the entire weekend from open to close in their esoteric library. You're allowed to do that as a nun?

Yeah. Well, now it's actually open to the general public, so anyone can actually go in. In fact, the, and I've also been granted access to, you know, some things that others haven't had access to, because I worked very close with the Rosicrucians. I produced their series called The Sacred History of the Rosicrucians, which is available for free on YouTube.

It goes through all the mystery traditions, Atlantis, Gnosticism, Hermeticism, Platonism, Neoplatonism, Alchemy, Hermeticism, Rosicrucianism, all the way up to modern day, the Rosicrucian order and all of the various mystery schools and their teachings that the Rosicrucians have, that basically still perpetuate today. Yeah, real quickly though, for people out there who aren't familiar, can you just explain the basic teachings of Rosicrucianism and what they believe? The Rosicrucians are a group of mystics that ultimately study natural laws, universal laws, and principles that are immutable principles, basically the ancient

wisdom that was perpetuated throughout the mystery schools. They're a modern day mystery school, well, not even modern because they've been around for a while, but what is a mystery school? A mystery school was a center of study in the ancient world, where candidates would petition to become initiates, and then they would go through ordeals, various degrees, to learn about universal principles. They would observe silence and go within, go inside to engender a feeling, a connection to the divine, gnosis, right? Because that's ultimately what it's all about, to connect with the divine. It's mysticism in general. What distinguishes mysticism between religion? Where with religion, you're going without for an answer. You're looking up to the sky, or you're going through a priest,

or a sheikh, or a pastor, an intermediary, or you're looking up to the sky praying to a god, or you're putting your head down on the ground praying to a god mysticism you're going within you're looking inside yourself and when you go through the various degrees and you develop uh more of a hermetic understanding that we are god we are god in the sense that we are not the product of the universe we are an aspect of his essence we're an aspect of his essence right so take for example the Pythagorean mystery schools you're familiar with Pythagoras Pythagorean theorem we all know angle the side agree and triangle from school but we can't even prove that Pythagoras ever existed we never found his balls we only know we haven't found his bones we only know know. What do you mean we haven't found his bones?

We only know about his teeth. Well, you know, it's not uncommon in the mystery school traditions, Aristotle, a lot of these figures. In some cases, they're meant to, it's esoteric symbolism. They're meant to represent archetypes. In other cases, it's a group of people writing under one pen name. Just like Hollywood, where they take a bunch of characters and make a composite. Which makes it really easy for me to understand, because I have a background in Hollywood and the music industry, and there's so much smoke and mirrors that goes on in the music industry that when I got into this space, I was quickly able to distinguish through a lot of the BS.

In the music industry. What's that? No Diddy. You got to say that now. No Diddy. It's interesting. Actually, somebody just posted a photo of me and Diddy. You got to say that now. No Diddy. It's interesting. Actually, somebody just posted a photo of me and Diddy together on the internet. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. I don't want your algorithm to tank now. No, it's okay. I've never been friends with Diddy or affiliated with Diddy. I'm a hardcore hip-hop head. Right from the beginning, we weren't down with Diddy. We thought that was all that jiggy bullshit, mindless materialism and money and flashy clothes I was more into the underground conscious lyricism the real hip-hop

right I grew up with the hip-hop culture and so um for us Diddy was like a cancer cell in the culture you know Biggie was an incredible rapper but Diddy was just a poison and so um what happened is somebody found a very old photo of me before even the dreadlocks. You can see I have short hair. It's, he was an, he's an alternative researcher. And there's a whole league of alternative researchers. Oh, the guy who found it. Yeah. D-Dunking Dan Richards.

He's in alignment with Graham Hancock and Jimmy Bright Insight, and he... Oh, I know this guy. Yeah. Yeah, so, D-Dunking Dan, we got into a little Twitter feud lately. Don't do that. Yeah. Don't do that.

Come on. You got to rise above it. Well, I am trying to rise above it. But what I'm saying is in that process, he made some statements, and I challenged him to bring evidence for the statements he was making, and he couldn't. And in turn, he was trying to um defame my reputation so he found the old picture of diddy that he probably pulled off you know my twitter or facebook and i had pointed out how look if if you could and then he he tried to suggest that you know i was at diddy parties and i was involved with this whole racket this whole disgusting

come on man you know and it's like, what's disgusting? I have family and I have friends. People that know me know I would never be involved with this nonsense. People have known me my whole life and throughout the hip hop days and music issue days, I was never down with Diddy. Diddy is whack to us. You know what? And this has to be said, too, because people have this idea that Hollywood or the music industry or the movie industry are all like they live under the same. So you've always been picky about your produce, but now you find yourself checking every label to make sure it's Canadian. So be it. At Sobeys, we always pick guaranteed

fresh Canadian produce first. Restrictions apply. See in-store or online for details. You know, like literally in the same room together at all times, and that's not how it is. Is there some weird shit that goes on? Obviously, there's some horrible people. But like, you look at this, you know, there was a story, I believe it was, I still gotta go check this.

I think Mike Tyson, I'm pretty sure he told it himself on his podcast, but it was told to me secondhand. But Mike Tyson was explaining a scenario where this kind of what what a picture can look like and how it affects people, especially when they have a big platform. And it's like he said he was at this party, like very public party, you know, with cameramen everywhere taking pictures of whoever celebrities, non-celebrities, the whole bit. And some guy comes up to him like, oh, like i'm the biggest fan bro i just i'm so happy to meet you whatever he's like yeah yeah man no problem thanks whatever and then like the cameraman's right there he's like oh can i get a

picture of you he's like yeah sure we'll do it so they take a picture and then a week later fbi shows up to his house and goes mr tyson we gotta talk with you he's like about what and they're like how do you know this man and they hold up the picture of them like glad hand and like they've been friends forever turns out the guy murked like four people that weekend before he's like a serial killer i had no idea and tyson's like listen man he was at the phantom and i'm at a party i have no fucking idea who the dude is and they're like okay whatever but he goes forever people are going to ask me about that picture so when you look at the epsteins when you look at the Diddies, when you look at these people who are around all these powerful places, all they had to do was get a picture with you or say you were at the same place.

And now forever, in this case, it even happened to you, like someone can be like, oh, how do you know this guy? What were you doing with him? And it sucks because there's always going to be that 1% out there where people are like oh maybe he did know him or whatever and i empathize with that because it's like i don't know who the fuck i've taken pictures with in my life or what they're going to be what they're going to be accused of later like god who's on your podcast right now exactly bro exactly so it's like you know hindsight's 2020 on these things yeah and you know that's the thing it calls for context yes and that's what's so important, even in my space, you know, history and alternative history, context. This situation with Diddy, you know, where the Duncan Dan is putting a picture out and trying to make, mislead people into believing that I was part of this disgusting stuff that Diddy was doing, which is not true.

I literally talked about the context in the picture. It was actually taken mid-argument between me and Diddy. I was getting closedy i was getting close to me yeah he was coming to steal my artist man i told him he can't get up on that stage i and it wasn't at a diddy party it was at south by southwest in in in uh texas austin texas when was this uh 15 years ago 20 years ago ago? More than 15. It would probably be like 2008, 9, 10. Wow. Maybe. Did he was trying to? Yeah, I was active in the music industry throughout the 90s into 2000s.

But yeah, so what happened was I had an artist who was emerging. I had spent a couple of years working with him, developing him, putting money into him, working day and night. You know what it's like. You wake up in the morning, you go to the the gym you go for a walk to clear your head and then you're working all day till 11 at night sometimes that's what it was like for me to music in the street to build this artist up you know and others and i worked hard at this and this was like a big crowning achievement because he was headlining a big um show it was our show basically and he was the headliner and he was

making waves from the work and money and effort that we were putting in in addition to his talent but we were helping drive that and this wasn't uncommon i have other friends in the music industry that were like oh just wait till diddy start showing up on the tour bus try to steal your artists um you know and and so it happened and so did he flew into texas flew into Texas specifically to get on stage just thinking, I'm Diddy and I can do whatever I want. And he did. He managed to get past me. And then, you know, just to get up on stage to align himself with my artist, to hang on to relevance, right?

Diddy's already getting old and trying to remain relevant with the young, cool kids. And that's what happened. And so he was there and I explained to him who I was and what my my situation my position was with this artist and I was like no this is performance you know you can't get up on stage we got into an argument did he got pissed and his bodyguard started coming around and right as we got in and I was getting heated and right there in the argument somebody from the press came over they knew who I was because I was the CEO of uh I started literally the first genre specific digital

retail store in hip-hop i had a big emerging digital label i pioneered a lot of stuff my company my efforts we were in rolling stone billboard double x magazine said next is the person to speak to about the future of the music industry we put out the first podcast in hip-hop history you did we did the first live web stream in hip-hop history we did the first digital downloads first digital albums i was like on the phone with is like the godfather of the hip-hop uh digital age the uh the untold story yeah the untold story yeah and and i go back way before that because before that i was putting out vinyl records and cds i had a i was doing distribution i owned multiple record labels i managed artists uh i was an artist myself

you know so i've i've worn a lot of hats in the music industry but in this particular role distribution i own multiple record labels i managed artists uh i was an artist myself you know so i've i've won a lot of hats in the music industry but in this particular role um you know i told diddy no it's not happening and we were getting into an argument and somebody from the press came over and they were like oh the ceo and diddy i was like let's get a picture you two together so we're like fighting with each other arguing and then we turn and we take the photo and if you find the photo you'll see that um let's find the photo i need it diddy and any xt yeah see if i don't know if it'll come up that way let you try it on twitter type in diddy and any xt yeah if you go to yeah try that how's this for this is

transparency so you're doing you're telling us to pull it up i'm just trying to be my true authentic self man i love that well because i have no there's no skeletons in my closet i'm i'm happy to to elaborate and let people know what really happened i think context is important i agree and if we just look at things on the surface things are not always what they appear to be this is why i'm an esoteric researcher i like to go deeper and look that's right yeah so let's see any x t not-X-T, not tree, sorry. A-N-Y-E-X-T-E-E. All right, go to media. And let's see what we got.

Down, down, down. See, it might have already gotten wiped. Go try, it'll be on de-dunking Dan. Go to de-dunking Dan. And then you might just have to scroll down a bunch of tweets. You know, you got to talk to our mutual friend, Luke. Because Luke Caverns is like, he's the Mr. No enemies, talks with everyone, whatever. Luke's everybody's friend.

Right. He talks with Dan. He talks with you. Like, stuff like this should not play out in public. It'll be D-E-D-U-N-K. Oh, I think he calls himself Super Sexy D now. Man, I don't even know. Type in Dan Richards and then go to people.

And let's see what we can do here. There he is. Dan Richards. No, yeah. There he is. There's Dan Richards. Okay. Go to maybe his media.

Where would it go? Go to media. Media. And then you'd have to scroll down a bit. All right. Let's see if we can find this picture. Keep going. It was a couple of weeks ago.

All right. No. That was him on the road. Right there. There it is to the right. Me and Diddy. Before the dreadlocks. That's you?

That's me. That's you? That's me before the dreads. No, it's not. It's NXT. What the fuck? And I had dreads before that, too. before the dreads. No, it's not. It's NXT. What the fuck? And I had dreads before that, too. I had dreads in the early 90s.

I cut them out. But yeah, this is years ago, man. What a shirt, by the way. It just says cocaine. Yeah. He was different. Yeah. Wow, that's you.

Yeah. You got Egyptified. Something happened. I had dreads before this so this is this was a period of my life where the music industry was transforming me and that's why i got out of the music industry but the whole point look at our faces nobody looks happy not happy why we're in the middle of an argument and his event staff behind us his bodyguards are behind him although although i just gotta say if we were doing some green lines yeah he's

straight and you're tilted i'm just saying i'm just saying wait what's the meaning of that what's the well that means he's he's got the leverage it's like a lot yeah i'm also tall and lanky you know so i kind of tend to lean off the one side but um it's also because i'm probably up in his face like you are not coming on stage. That's exactly what it looks like. And he's like, whatever, man. So anyways, long story short, he ended up on stage. And I couldn't flex past his bodyguards.

I tried. But anyway, long story short, never been a fan of Diddy. This pitch is taken out of context. What's he saying? How much baby? See, ridiculous. Absolutely disgusting. And to do this this to try to hurt my reputation i didn't even attack him in a way where you know um i was saying anything negative i was basically like hey here's what i'm trying

to correct and set the record straight bring the facts hit show more on any xt's response aless let's get this on the record for people we'll also reference in jimmy bright insight here another one of my uh number one fans all right jimmy corsetti and you made the claim that i'm lying and accused me of fabricating my mentorship with jaw that's john anthony west okay these accusations are untrue and worse they're being used to distract from jimmy misleading the public you also falsely claimed i worked for jaw for a short period and that this was the extent of our relationship this is a bold and damaging lie revealing how low you're willing to go. It's also an example of debunking without proper research exactly what you claim to oppose yet actively participate in.

Since you made the accusations, the burden of proof is on you to back them up. I've already agreed to present my evidence once you provide yours. I even offered to wage your money on it, but you won't accept because you know your claims are baseless, designed to tarnish my reputation and frame me as a liar. You're a good writer. As for the P. Diddy nonsense, no, I'm not in any of his tapes because I never attended the parties. Not even one? Not even one. We wouldn't go. Diddy's whack. Why would we go to a Diddy party? Just make it sure. That picture was from when Diddy crashed my event in Texas to try to get on stage and poach the artist. I spent time and money developing.

I told him no, and it led to a heated argument interrupted by the press who took that photo. Neither of us is smiling because we don't like each other. I've always seen Diddy as a culture vulture and a charlatan, much like some people in this space. What do you do? You dig up an old photo and distort the truth, trying to make it seem like I was aligned with Diddy. That's a low and disgusting tactic, but it speaks more about you than it does about me wow dropping dropping the mic i respect it man i i understand exactly what you mean context is everything and people will just try to they'll they'll create a what's it a red herring has nothing to do with the argument you're having right now like oh what were you doing with diddy and they can attack you but

you're in the music industry for a long time and it's all that's how i get out man it's it's really it's all smoke and mirrors right and i in in some ways you know like all right so for me i remember we had i got into the i was always in the hip-hop culture but i got into the more lyrical you know thoughtful hip-hop positive hip-hop conscious hip- hop but as i expanded my business i realized that's not what sells we had an incredible group from the bronx known as the juggernauts they're african-americans they're school teachers they uh they're very intelligent uh the main mc breeze bruin is an incredible lyricist you ever going to hear them on a radio no maybe college radio underground radio but no because they're not it's not sex drugs rock and roll that's what's mostly on the radio right it's it's pushing a specific stereotype.

And I remember when I was in the music industry, I was part of it in a sense when I would produce music videos for our artists. When the video is over, the chain comes off the rapper's neck and goes back to the jeweler. The fancy cars go back to the dealership. The clothes that they're wearing

goes back to the stylist who brings it back to the shop. The pretty girls that are all over them in the video video they all go home at the end of the video it's all smoke and mirrors and what i realized is that i was part of that machine that was facilitating these negative stereotypes and you know i don't want young people to see this and and i'm seeing the young people watch these videos and trying to imitate the artist, the rappers, and it's all fake. And that's what sells. And the industry is driven to push that stereotype. So people get caught up in it. And in a sense, like me, I feel like I became sick.

I felt like even in the industry side, as an executive, I had the rappers have to do it. We had to do it. It was like keeping up with the Kardashians. I became very successful in the music industry at one point and i don't come from money actually like i said i never went to university i grew up across the street from a housing project out of you know south of boston we're south of boston specifically for we want to get really into charlestown even further south all right you're not robbing a bank out there even further than

charlestown okay all the way down to fall river massachusetts home of lizzie board and the axe murderer oh yeah i know fall river yeah fall river so uh i was born in providence rhode island raised in in fall river and then later in my life i moved uh my early adulthood i moved to boston lived in boston for over a decade then moved to california um so. So I come from an area where, specifically Fall River, 50 miles south of Boston, there's not a lot of universities. Education isn't that great. There's high high school dropout rates. There was major problems with heroin back in the day. Everyone's depressed. I grew up in the hood. I grew up cross street from

a housing project. I've seen a lot of stuff already in my teenage years that most people won't see in a lifetime and experience these things and most of the people i grew up with never leave the neighborhood when i moved to boston it was a big deal he's going 50 miles south to the big city and and i use that opportunity because i didn't go to college to ear hustle i would go sit at the cafe outside of harvard and listen to what all the students and teachers were that's how i developed and like i i self-taught myself like when i graduated high school i didn't know how to uh tell time on a regular clock i needed digital i had never read a full book all the way through and i didn't know my months in the order january february march

april may june july i didn't know any of that i don't you know i at the end of high school yeah a lot of people dropped out in high school. It was, you know, how did I get through it? I don't know. Must have cheated my way. Maybe I wasn't in class the day they went over that. But my, it's not that I didn't have the intellectual capacity to learn. I was a product of the environment.

And I was a product of that school system. Were your parents around? I had two parents. They're great parents you know um it was just the environment we lived in in fact they moved us out i had an older brother and he got into a lot of trouble and like later in life they moved us out to the suburb you know working a lot your parents too that's the thing they were working 24 7 my mom and my dad you know putting food on the table putting food on the table yeah so i was actually like you know back

then they would refer, if we're talking about classism, they would refer to it as like lower middle class. And being that I was like the wealthiest kid on the block. Cause I actually had toys. My parents bought me Star Wars figures and GI Joe figures and stuff. None of the other kids in my neighborhood had that. So they'd all flock to my house. Cause I was the rich kid, but we weren't really rich. We were just getting by, you know, I didn't even have money to get into university. I didn't, I was the rich kid, but we weren't really rich. We were just getting by. I didn't even have money to get into university. I was that ignorant. I didn't even know how to get into college and I didn't want to. Back then, especially where I grew up, it wasn't cool to read. You're a geek if you read. What are you reading for? It wasn't until my 20s that I

realized all of that was backwards and that I had this ignorant sense about things. I wanted to expand my consciousness. And when I got to Boston and about things. I wanted to expand my consciousness. And when I got to Boston and I started meeting educated people who were going to university, then when I started traveling through the music industry, and you get to California, and you're around all the hippies and higher consciousness, then you start traveling the world and you see how different cultures are operating. It just expands your consciousness. And that was what the journey was like for me um you know

moving from south you know south of boston into boston proper and then over to california but you said and we're going to come we're weaving around here we're going to come back to rosicrucianism at some point because we were on it but you had also said that you initially got interested in like the esoteric or ancient history topics literally through hip-hop and hearing that in high school who'd you say was ksr krs1 last master krs1 would rap about um uh metaphysics and that's why i went on the tangent about kemet because he was the first one to rap about uh use the word kemet in a rap what's kemet e.g i knew you couldn't google back then there was no. There was no Google.

There was no YouTube. So what are you doing? Eventually, it's books. You carry that with you. And then later, I became a book geek. I'm a ferocious reader. I've got stacks of books on the side of the toilet. I've got books by my bed.

I've got books in every room of my house. People will often criticize me because I'm always wearing sunglasses. What do you think? You're cool? No, it's because I've got what I call scholar eye bags under my eyes from being up till 3 4 a.m reading scott i like i'm gonna use that scholar eyes okay and then you just hide them with the sunglasses so um which is a trick from the music industry oh your eyes look like shit put these sunglasses on and get in the video so much that goes on in the music industry like you know it was a pre

as a ceo of regulate was a prerequisite to read the 48 laws of power uh robert green to study neurolinguistic programming color theory eye accessing cues you know what eye accessing cues eye accessing cues it's it's a part of nlp neurolinguistic programming and it's it's been employed, experimented, CIA and FBI. Basically, and I used to use it all the time in the music industry. You're doing interviews with artists and you're in the boardroom. You have to know how to read people, not just their words. So eye accessing cues, your eyes move.

They access different parts. It's somewhat speculative. Up, down, side. Right. So the upper part is um you know either creative one side is for creative so our um the the right side is for creative yep the left side is from remember it so this is how you can tell if somebody's lying usually it's not 100 accurate science yeah but in most cases i can watch the pattern of your eyes and i can ask you a story i can say you know uh julian what does a um purple

elephant with pink dots look like now you're aware of it and and you know so your eyes may not move now but oh you're actually asking me right now we'll see you're not even aware but if i ask you a question that requires you to think you you're going to access a part of your brain to either pull it from memory or you're going to create it if you're lying you're creating yes not always but if if you're lying you have to create something so if your eyes don't go to the left side which shows me you're remembering now i know you're creating so it's possible you be maybe fabricating a story and you can access thoughts feelings you know depending on the direction of eyes anyway long story short color theory you have to understand color theory you as a podcaster you use red and white in your

thumbnails i'm sure it's intentional it's a classic marketing if anybody studies marketing color theory red is an impulse color you've got the red curtain it it's symbolic and it actually affects us physiologically psychologically which then affects us physiologically because it's symbolic and it actually affects us physiologically psychologically which then affects us physiologically because it's why it's why i can't take credit for those my mom got those but yeah you're you're right i thought you're just trying to emulate um joe rogan with the red car oh don't even get me fucking started bro so she actually she when i was in the old studio in my parents house if you look like pre-episode 50, I had like, you know, just a setup like false background or whatever.

And my mom like couldn't keep looking at it. And she's like, I am going to get you curtains. I'm like, no, no, I can't afford them. No, I'm getting them. I'm like, if you insist. So she goes and gets curtains before episode 50 with Riley Horvath. And I remember the day they got there and we were putting them in he opened up the new studio with red curtains and i was like oh no

and i'm like fuck and my mom's like no one's gonna care i'm like oh you don't know the internet jesus christ but i'm like well all right we'll see no one bothered me about it for like two and a half years there there are three years more at the studio then we come here danny jones flies up here with me to design the studio he's like yeah just put the curtains on this side whatever you'll be on that side i'm like okay great and then the first day oh you joe rogan with your curtains i'm like oh yeah because joe rogan invented fucking red curtains like oh dude that is such a pain point for me i'm like jesus christ like we we we got it we got to get on with life here but i don't know i've seen rogan do it i've seen julian dory do it i'm like if all the great podcasters are doing it i'm gonna need to get a red curtain for my my content now but uh you know

what i was saying about the color red yeah you know and um you know this whole idea of like we have to it's not just music you have to study people it's psychology You're studying psychology and human behavioral patterns when you're in the music industry, if you want to be successful. And red, you know, Target stores, stop and shop markets, any, it's an impulse color. When you go to check out in any store and you've got all your candy bars, how many of them have a red wrapper with white? Why do marketing people, you know, a lot of thumbnails red on white? Because that color red does something to us. it does subconsciously it triggers something we're already conditioned to stop at a red stop sign a red stoplight without even reading the word stop

we see the color red what it does it triggers our fight or flight response and then we get this impulse and that's why red is the color of passion and love and you know and but it's also a color that you know has a physiological effect on us and so uh why is it at the impulse items why the candy like right before you're checking out remember you might want to buy a candy bar um which i don't recommend because it's all sugar and it's gonna cause cancer it's all poison but you know it's it's to get you to stop yeah red is to get you just like your thumbnails is to get you to stop and click so we had a we had to go through you know color theory human behavioral patterns all of this stuff neuro

linguistic programming you know read the 48 laws of power um and i don't agree with everything robert green but they're all founded on on like universal laws and principles of and you know make some good cases for sure he certainly does so but all of that goes into this whole dynamic of the music industry and you know there's a lot of fake stuff in the music industry images we back then you wanted to um you know they the saying fake it till you make it or to be successful one must project the image of success yes that's what we were doing. So even if you didn't have the money, and that's what the rappers are doing,

even if you don't have the success, Act like you do. Act like you do it. And in some cases, when you be it, you'll eventually, like begets like, you'll eventually become it. So there is something to that. But at the same time, man,

I found myself trying to keep up with the Kardashians. Literally, when I was making serious money in the music industry, every Saturday morning, I was going to Newberry Street in Boston to Riccardi, one of the most expensive stores, buying $2,000 leather belts imported from Italy, $3,000 sneakers, $10,000 jeans. No exaggeration. $10,000 jeans? jeans five to not maybe ten no i'm not i take that back it'd be like two to three thousand dollar jeans i would draw i say ten that number is in my head because i would go on a saturday morning and drop 10 grand like every saturday when i was at the peak in the music industry when i had money i would go you felt like you had to well because one i had the money and i don't come from money so when you don't have money and you get money you spend it foolishly in hindsight i wouldn't do these things now i was much younger and more immature you know i don't have money and you get money, you spend it foolishly. In hindsight, I wouldn't do these things now. I was much younger and more immature. You know, I don't even have a house

now. I don't have the money I have anymore. That's all gone. You know, I'm just getting by now. But back then, you know, you had to keep up. Oh man, Kanye's got the freshest shit. I got to get on top of the game. I got to, I'm going to go to this event. They're all going to be there. I need to have the freshest shit, you know? So I got to spend the money and that costs money oh we've got an artist we gotta make him look successful like he's doing his thing we gotta put all the money into buying you know the clothes for the artist but it's all fake and it's sick and it may and then i realized like i was i was caught up unconsciously doing this and then i realized i could be doing better things with my money like traveling the world and pursuing my penchant for exploring ancient civilizations

and indigenous traditions and the western esoteric tradition getting to the core of all the things that drive me because i was self-made i had to read on my own i had to educate myself on oh how do you start a company how do you you know how do you build some how do you do all of this stuff and then you realize that as an entrepreneur, I'm sure you can relate your company, your brand is only as good as you are. That's a hundred percent. If you're sick, there's no, the show's got to go on. Right. So, and that sickness can manifest not only physically, mentally, spiritually, emotionally, you got to make sure all these things are in check so that your, your, your company is a reflection of you. i would read all the books i would go now now i've transitioned from not reading thinking reading's not cool to

go into uh you know barnes and nobles and buying every book on the shelf in the spiritual section or the self-help section or the business section going through them all until they get to the point where the books on the shelf at barnes and nobles no longer serve you and the world's you know i've always had questions about religion that you know my parents couldn't answer the the priest at sunday school catechism couldn't answer you know and then i i grew up in a diverse multicultural area so you know there are other people they're jewish kids there were kids from india and when when you find out that they have different understandings of the afterlife or or different traditions you know you start to question your own but it gets to a point where now i want to go to the root of the sauce you

see these guys behind me what are they they're gangsters well most most of them yeah frank halfway don draper context i guess the other ones pretty much yeah gangsters in the sense that they go to the source not necessarily at their bodying people and leaving them in the ocean. See, a gangster is one who doesn't allow society or the government to govern him. A gangster is one who knows how to govern himself and go directly to the source. That's what makes them so powerful. They went to the source. They had the good stuff.

You have to go to the gangster and you know to get it or whatever so my point is like i'm not a gangster in terms of body and people and you know burying someone dropping them off with the fishes and good because i'll put you in the fucking meadowlands pal yeah i'm in jersey shout out tony soprano no but um you know a gangster is someone who's going to go to the source and and spirituality it's it's going to the source. It's where did all this come from? What were the earliest texts that inspired Christianity? The Gnostic texts, the Hermetic texts, where did they come from?

Oh, you realize, oh, a lot of this seems to come out of Egypt. The principles are already in Egypt. So this sounds like to me, correct me if I'm wrong here, but I'm just trying to follow along with the timeline of what you're describing as you're from the 90s graduating high school going through the rest of the 90s throughout the 2000s in the music industry being really successful in that getting caught up in some of the stuff you talked about in the music industry keeping up with the kardashians and shit like that like you all along are getting more and more interested in your own exploration and then at some point snap and you're like i'm done with this music shit i'm sick of it i want to go do this full time was was there like

i'm sensing something but i don't know if i'm if if i'm on to it like was there also like some sort of i don't want to like over dramatize this but like some sort of like spirit, personal, spiritual crisis about like your search for meaning in the world because of the, the industry you were in that you started to not like the things you saw. And then you started to love the research and wonder what that all meant. Yeah. It gets to a point where it's like, who am I? What am I? Why am I here? And why am I doing this? Why are we here? What's the meaning of life? I've always questioned these things. I've always had a, in sat, you know, I've always been very curious since I was young. I didn't always, you know, early on, I was accepted with the authority.

My mom says it, it must be true. But then you go to high school, you go to elementary school, and you start getting beat up. And you're like, wait a minute, my mom said, if I'm a good kid, everybody would like me. Well, I was a good good kid now i'm the geek that everybody's picking on you know and then you get and then you develop a little more uh then you start fighting back and you become a gangster but no then when you go through this process and it's like um you know i i acquiesce to authority to my parents to school to religion early on and when that didn't work for me and when i had you know with religion i started questioning religion early on. And when that didn't work for me, and then when I had religion, I started questioning religion early on. But then by a time later in my early 20s,

now I'm reading more. So now I can go back and look into the stuff. But I'm also trying to educate myself on being a better person and I'm devouring it. And then I'm trying to go deeper and I'm trying to go to the source. I'm trying to see, if I i read a book the way i read a book now is i go to the back of the book and i look at all the references and i look at where they're getting their material from and i go to the reference and then i go to their i go to their references references until i can get as close to the source as possible because ultimately that's what it's all about developing true understanding and getting closer to the objective reality because there's my reality there's my story there's your story and then there's this objective

reality yes that comes from the source and if the mystery traditions are correct we're an emanation of that source and our purpose in life is to return to the source and that is what horus is symbolizing what jesus is symbolizing what kukulkan what Horace is symbolizing, what Jesus is symbolizing, what Kukulkan of Mexico is symbolizing. The principle of return to source, spiritually speaking, cosmologically speaking. All right, well, bringing this weave back to go on to the Rosicrucianism thing

we were on like 20 minutes in, because you said you had access to like, I don't know what it was called, but like their libraries or whatever and all that. Yeah. So you had explained the mystic idea of what Rosicrucianism is. But like when did you have access to these places again? And what were you specifically trying to research in there?

Well, my earliest exposure to the Rosicrucians would be earlier on. I remember in like comic books and books, there would be ads. Thoughts have wings you know learn about the rosicrucian write to the rosicrucians to receive monographs they had advertisements right so they're always in the back of my head and i've always been interested with secret societies the freemasons the rosicrucians the golden dawn the oto what are these secrets in these secret societies i got into the the whole, you know, before the internet, conspiracy theories, you know, secret societies, the Illuminati, long before 2012, you know, or in like late or mid 90s or late 90s. These were conversations we used to rap about this stuff. Did any of that emanate from your exposure to the music industry itself being in the music industry enhanced it because as you're in the music industry you realize a lot

of these themes tie in oh jay-z's down with the illuminati is this true you know and and then i remember having a conversation with one of the artists i signed he's from jersey are you familiar with joe budden of course joe budden yeah i put out all his albums and all his mixtapes really except his very first album on def jam everything right over here in jersey city yeah yeah yeah joe knows me that's hilarious i i relaunched joe's career and and joe got all this credit remember i said we did the first podcast in hip-hop yes yeah the joe budden tv as all my idea to grab a camera and and i was on the cutting edge with all of that before it became an industry staple. And we positioned Joe Budden to be like this tech savvy. I still have the video footage of me explaining to Joe what a podcast is in the studio.

Joe, you got to do this podcast. It's going to be Joe Budden. He didn't want to do it at first. So I took it to my other artist. Are you familiar with Max B? Remember the song? I know Max O'Cream. Are you familiar with Max B? Remember the song? I know Max O'Kream. You follow sports, so you probably remember the song.

Ball in. Remember NBA always used to play ball? It's a Jim Jones song. Anyway, it was ghostwritten by Max B. He was another artist of mine. Got it. Kanye West has paid homage to him. Max B inspired Drake, Wiz Khalifa,

many of the singing songs. They'll all acknowledge influence with Max B. He's in prison now. I'm sorry to hear that. Yeah, so am I, because I lost a quarter of a million dollars. Anyway. Oh, it was like fraud? No, no, no.

Well, he went to prison for conspiracy and murder linked to him. He didn't commit the murder. He was linked to it. Allegedly. Allegedly. The charges were excessive. They were making an example out of him because he was a rapper, allegedly allegedly uh the charges were excessive they're making an example out of him because he was a rapper uh i think i believe and um anyway you know and this was

i had come from the conscious space but then i started when i was working with the buttons and the max b's i was trying to do more of the street hip-hop because that's what sells and that's what i could sell um yeah long story short i brought the idea to max b and i said look we're gonna do max b tv we'll follow you around the camera and we put up and it blew up and then everybody started emulating that formula then joe budden went back and seeing how these videos were blown up on world style hip-hop i was like oh joe budden tv thing i want to do it and that's what what you know brought a lot of new life into his career because after def jam after his one single pump pump pump he fell off really what he had that was it I got

his mixtape music started making like official mixtapes so we got into stores his mood music series um I put out his album padded room I came up with the concept like yeah he really is he has been one of the guys to to patent a new way of like the second act to your career where it's different you know because like you said his music he'd pump it up obviously went crazy i think i was number one on on billboard hey and grammy nominee right and so he's a successful artist but then his popularity in music falls off and instead of like going the actor route or something some other guys had done before that like tupac and ice cube and stuff he goes like the content independent media

route and like credit to him it's it's worked out a lot but you were there day one we were an independent label and we were emerging as the first digital only label digital store added i launched a digital retail store before amazon digital was even a thing um and so um you know and and the label was emerging at that again like we were all over the press it was like the new hot thing and we're signing all these rappers you know joe budden max b pd crack from philly saigon uh you know i remember saigon saigon from fucking yeah i'm the real life turtle no saigon saigon was signed to my label saigon was signed to my label no way yeah so uh he's jersey too is he jersey no he's new york he's new york hey anyway area yeah so uh saigon we signed and they were beefing at the time joe

and saigon had like beef when we signed saigon to the label yeah um but uh it's just funny a little good old days but yeah so uh saigon popular from the HBO series Entourage. He was signed to the rapper Turtle's label. Turtle was his manager or whatever in the show. In real life, Saigon was signed to my label. Yeah, real life Turtle. You're like, I have people come through this studio, maybe one out of every 10, 15 guests where they're like the Forrest Gump of something.

You're one of them. You got a Forrest Gump thing to you where you've just been in all these places with this guy and that guy, and then you end up here somehow. It's kind of crazy. It's a very cool part of doing this. It's like a box of chocolates, man. Yeah, don't even get me started to when I was living with Floyd Mayweather. It's a whole other story. I mean, now I'm going to get you started. What do you mean you were living with Floyd Mayweather? It was related to the music industry. So I had all these people reaching. My company was emerging. It was ahead of its time. It was pioneering in the digital space.

I had, for years, I had distributed vinyl records, CDs, cassettes, all over the world. I signed many artists. I had... I owned multiple record labels. We did tours. We did everything. I was on the cutting edge of the digital stuff. Because I started going from Boston to another men... Dan had mentioned one of my mentors, John Anthony West,

who he's claiming that i'm faking my relationship we should get into that at some point too because my mentor john anthony west we're gonna make friends out of everyone too yeah dan we're all gonna make friends we should it's all about unity we're all adults and we can all have opposing opinions there's no need to insult people or try to tear people down right let's just talk about the subject matter and put up evidence on the table right we'll come back to john to John Anthony West, but Floyd Mayweather. Floyd Mayweather. So I had another mentor in the music space. I was doing everything on my own, and I didn't know what I was doing. And I was building my company. This was early on. And so

I found this guy through marketing stuff, and it turns out that he was with Berklee School of Music. And I hired him to consult me. He became a great mentor of mine before John Anthony West. I needed everybody to say, you need a business plan. If you want to expand, you need a business plan. I didn't know how to write a business plan. I never went to school. So I went to him to get help to formulate my business plan. And he had told me early on, he was like, they call you NEXT or NEXT because I'm always forward thinking. I'm always thinking ahead. I was just in the shower last night and I was thinking NEXT.

Oh, my God. Because like you spell it differently and I never put two and two together. I'm like, that's what it is. It's the word fucking next written out like whatever the term is, anagram or whatever. That's pretty cool. But go ahead. There's a whole story behind that too. We don't want to get off on that.

Let's get started for another day. Yeah, keep going. So, yeah um yeah so he was like this mentor i was always kind of forward thinking in a sense thinking ahead but he really it hit me in my early 20s when he said it's decades ago he was like uh see yourself in the future see yourself two years from now see yourself five years from now what See yourself five years from now. What does it look like? What does the landscape look like? What does everything look like around you? Where's music going?

How are you going to see that if you don't know what the future looks like? Start looking at trends and see what direction things are moving in. Look back at the past to determine the trajectory of your future. And then put yourself there so that it's so crystal clear in your mind it's like you're already living in that space and that's what i started to do and i could see that physical music was starting to change slow down and nobody's buying vinyl records anymore except the purest hip-hop heads djs and turntablist and cds you know downloading is starting to become a thing uh i could see that things were going to transition.

I was way ahead of my time, literally like 10 years with the music industry and the digital convergence that took place. So I would start traveling. He was like, you know, there's a lot of tech conferences in California. So I'd start going to these tech conferences. I would fly from Boston, take the money I was making for my business, fly out to California, Never been to California. Went out there, started going to these conferences.

And it's in the tech space. And everybody's talking about the future of tech. Then I started seeing a void that I could fill. And I was like, I can merge music with tech. What these guys are saying and the directions going in. You know, I started building relationships and so forth. And yeah, long story short, i adopted that mentality and started seeing myself as doing something ahead of its time and i started this company and the company started

catching on in the music industry uh the press releases started going what was the name of the company amalgam digital okay i like that i also had amalgam and uh entertainment which was the parenting company distribution company yeah amalgam it's loosely connected to Alchemy. I've always had an interest in Alchemy and I chose A. It's always A, A-N-E-X-T, Amalgam Digital, Adept Initiates, Adept Expedition. Why A, Julian? Because A is always, there's another one.

First letter at the top of any directory. And so all of this stuff, and my mentor was like, that's great, always picking A, so you'll always be at the beginning. That's right. So I had this emerging company, and then we started signing all these artists, either up-and-coming artists or getting artists that were struggling with major labels, had fallen off a major label and weren't really doing much,

and then making them all the rage on the internet. The media started calling us a powerhouse. Meanwhile, just one guy, a couple of his friends working out of my basement, then an attic in my house. you know all the rage on the internet uh the the media started calling us a powerhouse meanwhile i was just one guy a couple of friends working out of my basement then an attic in my house it got really crazy i had like uh because my house was also my warehouse so i'd have pallets skids boxes of records and cds dropped off in my residential neighborhood all my neighbors were like what is going on with this guy these big trucks would come in 16 wheeler trucks and drop off entire pallets to the point where uh the girlfriend I was with at the time left me because she's like,

I can't take this anymore. My whole house was just filled with boxes. And then eventually, we moved out. And I had a state-of-the-art studio. I had an office in Boston. In fact, right where the Boston bombing took place, my office was right there. I had another office in East Boston. And then I grew out of the house. I had multiple employees and interns and stuff. And the company's growing and the press is all over it. And we were really hot in independent hip hop. And we started catching waves to the point where all four major labels have brought me in as a consultant and paid me to do consulting for them. They were busting dinosaur moves. They were too rigid and had to deal with bureaucracy and where i had a lot of flexibility as an independent to do things that others weren't necessarily

hip to yet um on the internet and uh so all my digital strategies early on you know again they were noted in billboard rolling stone um everyone could see that we were the future of music and so i said again phone calls and hooking up with people. I had Wyclef Jean from the Fugees interested in my company, maybe buying out the company at one point. Floyd Mayweather. We get the call out of nowhere. Money Floyd. Yeah, Money Mayweather.

I say that in the video with him. Actually, you can probably pull it up if you want. There's a video of you and Floyd? It's me behind a camera. You hear my Boston accent. Go to YouTube and if you can, Alisi and Alisi oressi alessi alessi yeah alessi is kind of badass though not gonna lie that's like close to that calisi guy we might need to make a name change there alessi alici sounds like you're about the merc motherfuckers yeah i don't know we'll talk about that afterwards but there's a youtube go go go up to youtube just

put in amalgam digital floyd mayweather okay this isn't gonna get copyrighted right it's mine i own it oh it's so i'm not gonna i'm not and i'm not big on ownership mentality so i don't care i take my content love that yeah you know oh yeah i've never copyright striked anything maybe i should do that oh that's when i crashed the sundance Film Festival on Camelback. Okay. Go down to... Oh, at the end of that, type in Mayweather. Type in Mayweather. Yeah. Also, something's happening over there.

Yeah. You probably take out NEXT because I'm not in the title of NEXT on this. Just Amalgam Digital Floyd Mayweather. Also, Alessi Sidepoint. Did one of those thumbnails win? Put in Floyd. There you go. There you go. Go to the second one. Also, Alessi, side point. Did one of those thumbnails win? There you go. There you go. Go to the second one. No, second one down. Second one.

He's wearing my... The t-shirt he's wearing is my company. He's going to put the mic up. All right, can you turn that volume up on YouTube, Alessi? Thank you. What's up? Coming to you live. We're in the ATL. We're about to do the Lil Wayne tour, the Keisha Coles tour, and the T-Pain tour. Gin class heroes, but we're saving the best for last, which is my man, Frank Billionaire. We got product. Hold on.

You guys wait right there. I'll be right back. I'm going to show you the product we got. You can go to our website, www.amalgamdigital.com. Wait right there. I'll be right back. Oh, that's you. He's wearing the shirt.

That's my record label logo t-shirt. This is me holding the camera. We got photos you can buy. You keep your rap music in these photos. We got everything. Whatever you want to buy. We got t-shirts. We got products.

We selling it. You can model it. Whatever you want to do. Hold on. I'll be right back. We got more products. Did you give him a script for this? No. This is all. He just got this off the cuff on his own

can't read joe budden he's holding the joe budden cd oh he can read there it is 50. All right, that's good. That's good. So he can read. Remember 50 was like... I love 50. He's like, I'll challenge you to read one page of Harry... I can't say the full thing because there's a racial context in there, but... I'll challenge you to read one page of Harry Potter.

You know what? And they're like, oh, Floyd can't read. We just watched him read on camera, people. He can read. But anyway, this is him pumping all your shit. It's interesting you say 50. Little known fact is 50's first independent CD that was in stores. It was...

You. Let me tell you a quick story, right? A side story. I remember sitting... It was just a few of my friends. We're all Salesforce and we're all selling music. I was doing sales at the time. So we'd call up stores, independent stores, mom and pops, Amoeba in California.

We had stores here in Jersey. And you literally, what you do back then, it was all done on a fax. You have a fax machine back then. And you would have the item, its description, the price, and a catalog of items. And you fax all these stores and they put an order together for your product. And we were selling a lot of independent stuff. So, it's stuff you probably haven't heard of. You know, um, that was, we were focused on the independent space.

And I remember calling stores, trying to sell this rapper from New York, um, that was an incredible, you know, he's appearing on mixtapes, and I'm like, you have to get this CD into your store. Uh, you know, it's the new album by this rapper, he's about to blow up, blah, blah, blah. Literally getting put on hold, calling like amoeba in california and then you know trying

to talk to each store would have a buyer of music and he'd be like yeah yeah sure hold on he put you on hold and you're sitting there you're losing time you're trying to make sales nobody was taking it serious i'm getting hung up on by you know so uh we end up getting the cd to eminem's lawyer theo suttermeyer who and we knew eminem because i used to distribute vinyl records for mark kemp uh the guy that put eminem out originally in like 1996 97 before eminem blew up we distribute his vinyl records so we get the cd to eminem's lawyer he gives it to eminem he's writing the slim shady show he doesn't have time to look at it he's like i'll look at it when I get a chance. Ends up listening to it and loves 50 Cent, decides he's going to put him in his forthcoming film, 8 Mile, and 50's going to have several songs on the

soundtrack. We take that. We put that in the description of the fax. Soon to be in 8 Mile, about to be signed by Eminem for a major label. Boom, the thing stopped selling like crazy it was 50 cent i was selling a 50 cents first independent cd in stores when eminem announced signing 50 cent the only cd album a 50 cent mixtape album that you could find in best buy was guess who's back on full clip records which was the cd that it was me and like five of my friends selling that cd there there was there was one time that this this guy i definitely i'm not going to name drop here but there's one very random guy i i met through my uncle years and years and years ago kept in touch with him awesome dude really high up dude in in the music industry but he he's one of the greatest all-time talent evaluation and and finding

guys like if i gave you the list of people he discovered your fucking head would spin but i asked him one time if he had a day where you know because the way they obviously used to do it and it's similar now but just different medium is you know you'd have all these cassette tapes and you'd go through a whole library of them and listen and maybe you know one you listen to that we got a fucking 1200 as someone who could be something but i said do you remember if there was like a day where you realize you had the ear where you could know in 10 seconds turn 10 15 seconds turn something on you knew yes or no and he said yes and he said it was a very powerful moment so with someone like you who's been around so much talent and and obviously was like a real student in the game with music and and has seen some of the greats come up where, you know, you just talked about 50 Cent.

You're putting out like his first album before anyone knows who Curtis Jackson is. Like, did you have the ear where you knew? Like, it doesn't mean every time they made it because there's a lot of bullshit in the music industry, as we all know. But like you knew, like, yes or no, can or can't. Yes, Julian. I was a prodigy no i'm lying the truth is i would love to say yes but i would be remiss if i didn't give credit to all the talented people around me um one of my one of my partners joe discovered one of our biggest rappers and and often by this point i was already becoming somewhat disc... I'm getting older.

I'm becoming somewhat... I grew up in the 80s and 90s. That was the hip-hop I loved. The street stuff wasn't so much what I was into. And so a lot of times, I relied on the people I was working with, my employees and my interns and my friends to let me know what they think was hot what they think was and then i'd analyze it i would say this though i can see star quality star potential what do you look for in star potential you just know so for example with max b he would have been a star he was here i would be i'd probably be retired sitting on an island somewhere drinking little pink drinks

with an umbrella if max b didn't go to prison right uh we would have i would have got a multi-million dollar deal from a record label because i had him in the contract for management he was signed to the label we would upstream them to a major so many major icons you know are influenced by him when he walked into a room i didn't even have to hear his music when he walked into a room he lit up the room and he gave equal attention to everyone in the room so it doesn't matter if you're the shy you know socially awkward person he went around and made everyone feel spectacular everyone just loved this guy he was funny he was enthusiastic his personality he had star quality everything gravitationally rotated around the star so how do you know when everything is rotating

around something when when something is that magnetic it can pull you in you know and and so i could see star quality but then when you hear his music you're just like whoa this is something different this is incredible um and so yeah in a sense you know i was basically putting out stuff that i liked i was finding older rappers and reissuing them. Another one from Jersey, sure you know Naughty by Nature is, right? Of course. Tretch, OPP. So I used to distribute the Naughty by Nature out, the CD, putting in the stores. And I was going to sign Tretch to his debut solo album, Ogeology. I drove all the way from Boston, New Jersey. Tretch had me in his living room sitting there i was before i signed joe budden i was explaining the future of music and how everything

was going to be digital and how my company amalgam digital was going to change the landscape of music trech was blown away right then and he was down the problem is when his lawyer got involved it never came into fruition and the deal myself but the whole point is like i i've always been a like i've liked putting out what i liked i love tretch i thought he was an incredible lyricist i you know you know what opp and hip-hop array all that stuff and and so it was exciting for me to put out um or try to put out albums of artists that i grew up on and then also to try to develop new ones but yeah i'm not going to say that i was the guru who could instantly recognize talent. I will say that I'm like a hip hop scholar in a sense.

And I know music and I know what I like. And I just go off what I like naturally and also when I'm being informed and I make conscious decisions. I use discernment. And then when you know, there's a knowing. When you know, you know. It's not always an exact science. Because you try to replicate it. We brought up new artists and we try to replicate it and you can't some people just have it they have that it factor there's something about them that distinguishes them

from all of their contemporaries and so it's the way they make you feel like you describe max b going around and being magnetic and everyone's kind of gravitating towards them some people are like that other people there's just there's just the thing you know there's there's the thing about them where you're like you know and it and it exists across gender for whatever reason you're like i can't take my eyes and in the case of music also ears off of what this person is doing and saying or performing or whatever like there's just something there you know the way that they work a room however they do it and sometimes it's like that's a crazy thing it can be the opposite

it can be someone who is not magnetic they're actually like very insulated and and not you know not extroverted or whatever but there's just something about them where you're like they're mysterious you want to know more and it there there's there there's just something about them where you're like, they're mysterious. You want to know more. And there's something magnetic about that too, for sure. And there's a whole science with that that goes in the marketing, right? Mystery creates attraction. 100%. Simple formula. Yeah.

We as humans want to know what we don't know. We want what we don't have. You want the girl, you get in a relationship with the girl, and you don't want that anymore. Or vice versa. Or we think we want, we never never had money we think we want money and then when we have all the money in the world and we we use it in the wrong way and then we realize money isn't everything that's right there's things that are much deeper than money as i've learned money isn't everything you know and so um yeah and and when we talk about star quality, Floyd Mayweather is a classic example.

He is a star. Before the boxing and the incredible physique and skill level, his personality, the guy lights up a room. Like, what you've seen in that video, that was Floyd in the moment. I was like, Floyd, I got to do something for Amalgam Digital. He's like, throw the camera on, baby. Let's go. He's grabbing it. He puts the shirt on right away.

He's wearing my company shirt. You hear me in the beginning of the video. I'm like, Money Mayweather. You can hear the's go. He's grabbing it. He puts the shirt on right away. He's wearing my company shirt. You hear me in the beginning of the video. I'm like, money may weather. You can hear the Boston accent. He throws everything on, and he just starts doing everything. I didn't pay him for it. I didn't ask for it. We did have a relationship.

He was interested in having me come out to work. You lived with him, you were saying? He was interested. We get the phone call. Hey, Floyd wants to work with you guys. Floyd was interested. What we're told is that Floyd was in the beginning is that Floyd was interested in buying out Amalgam Digital, buying the company because he had an artist, Freck Billionaire, and we

were blowing up and we were doing the digital stuff and it was new. It was innovative at the time. So Floyd had an interest in the brand. And then I think what he wanted to do is have Migo work for his filthy rich. He had a vanity record label, but he didn't really have music industry people running it. So he wanted somebody who was up and coming and had vision, a pioneer to come in and do that. So we went to work with him for a while. I was in my office in Boston, and they were like, Floyd's on the phone. And he wanted us to help with his artists. That was his main thing. Freck Billionaire was his artist. He's from Philly. And his vanity record label is

Filthy Rich Records. And I remember going with them with them traveling there'd be nights we'd go in the club with floyd he'd bring a brick of cash i'm talking a hundred thousand dollars ten thousand dollars and and just throw he dropped 10k like nothing in the club and everybody scrambles he'd make it rain you know and he may whether everybody would run and pick up the money and it was all promotional effort for his artist and then he did that big tour the one he was someone in the video with keisha cole's uh it was drake's first big u.s tour nobody really knew who drake was yet aside from his acting career and i was there i was front row center degrassi yeah phenomenal i remember the old old grassy before drake i never watched anything he did get shot on the grassy so you can't say he's a studio gangster yeah yeah he got shot yeah i

remember i remember seeing that episode i never watched that because it was like after my time I just never hearing about it yeah not my thing not my thing Julian but uh yeah you know and and so I literally went to Vegas and I we stayed with Floyd for a while and I did the whole tour we also toured the U.S. um with Floyd and Floyd is an incredible individual i got to the point though where i realized my company was emerging and i saw a big potential and i didn't want to just sell out cheap and i i didn't entirely trust floyd i felt like i'd be killing my baby if if we did do something with floyd like that why floyd is unpredictable yeah Floyd is unpredictable. I remember just some instances, you know, like I had my intern with me one time and we were behind stage in the arena and we were going with Floyd and his entourage and Floyd's like, yeah, turn the cameras on, run. So I'm telling the intern, put the camera on, film everything you know floyd tells me and i tell them and then um when we get there security at the arena is like absolutely no cameras shut this off you know so floyd turns around to shut the cameras off and he like yell it got like kind of aggressive and it scared my intern and that was the first

thing i mean one time he turned around so quick the kid thought that like floyd was gonna hit him and so he's just so fast and like very impulsive yeah it made me feel uneasy about you know any like doing something like that with him yeah but what i did gain on a positive side what i took away from floyd is the mindset of a champion what i've come to learn with floyd is that he is so strongly convinced convicted that he's unbeatable floyd believes he's untouchable, at that time at least. And for me, I realize there's such a power in that conviction. That if you can believe in yourself that much, if you know in your heart of hearts,

if you visualize it and see it, you can be it. And also, and this has to be said, and it needs to be said about Floyd, and we're talking about him as a boxer right now. Dude worked his ass off he did that put the time in and he's the greatest defensive fighter i've ever seen i i've never ever seen a guy in a ring who is more untouchable than him getting to him is i mean you have a better chance of breaking into the palace in north korea than getting to that guy and that's from hours and hours and days and days and weeks and weeks and months and months and years and years and years and years of fucking grinding like a dog and working you

know like people get upset at him for some of the fights because they're boring and i'm like as someone who loves boxing i watch it i'm not bored at all because I'm like, dude, this guy is fucking footwork. His hand movement on defensive position. It's like, woo! You know? And I got a lot of respect for that. But you're absolutely right. There is something to be said for the mentality. I've listened to videos before where he's talking to himself while he's training.

He's like, I'm a king. I'm God. No one can stop me. I'm the king. I'm the man on top of the... He'll just say it over for hours and hours and hours. Affirmations. Affirmations. Conditioning himself toations conditioning himself it means something absolutely so you're like living with floyd you've been you've been around the block doing all this stuff and what like so you

still own that company by the way no all that's gone i far removed myself from the music industry but you still own the youtube channel no i don't the we don't have access to so there was a whole no actually i do still have access to youtube nothing's on it's defunct right it's part of record label it's defunct so um yeah oh oh so actually oh yeah how's the youtube thing work i don't know anyway i'm so disconnected from all the music stuff around 2012 i left all of that behind, right? Is there a moment that caused that? There were a lot of moments that caused that. There were a lot of big financial issues. Like I said, we invested a quarter of a million dollars

into Max B and then he went to prison. There was a big fallout with Joe Budden. Joe Budden in the game basically ripped me off for $80,000. And Joe Budden admits this on his podcast in the last couple of years. He admits that he ripped you off for 80K. Yeah, he talked about it on his podcast. You want to go over there and pay him a visit? Let's go pay him a visit. All right, I got a Louisville downstairs. I would love to have Joe in the ring.

I would train to have Joe. I would get back and train if me and Joe could finally square. Now, ultimately, honestly, and full disclosure, Julian, I don't think violence is a good ultimately, honestly, I'll, you know, in full disclosure, Julian, I don't think violence is a good resolve for anything. I agree with you. I think I have appreciation for the sport. Gentlemen squaring off.

I have appreciation for that. But, you know, I don't think in violence, in terms of violence is a great physical resolve. But if it comes to that, then it should be done, you know, in a proper setting like boxing. I feel like Joe might give you your 80K though today. You go talk with him. You know what I mean? Let's go talk to him. Let's go talk to him we're getting a ring if joe wants it doesn't need to be in a ring we go down have a drink seems like a nice guy we can rap battle too if he wants whatever he wants oh you rap out with him um that's funny um yeah so i i moved away from the

music industry ultimately i got so disenfranchised that i felt like i was becoming someone that i wasn't chasing money and you know i was always interested in this other stuff ancient civilizations and you know uh understanding who we are as a people you know the deeper aspects so then i started uh use the last of my money to start traveling the world i did a lot of philanthropy in the end i started giving back i realized man i all this money, but I want to give back. I started investing in like, not investing, but giving money to small businesses, people like young entrepreneurs. I want to help them out. And then I used my last pennies literally to travel the world. I went on a soldier. And so you're talking about, was there a defining point? It was at this

time where I want to pursue my penchant for exploring ancient civilizations and the world's mystery traditions. So I started traveling around the world, and that's when I started taking this stuff more serious. I'd always been into it, but that's when I started, like, documenting, reading, researching, and so forth. When did you develop a relationship with John Anthony West? Like, how did that come about?

Yeah, that's a good question. And that speaks to the,dunkingDan was trying to call me out on Twitter, suggesting that it staged, that I didn't stop calling John Anthony West my mentor until after he passed, until after he transitioned. However, the evidence is there. He says, nowhere did I do that. You could go on my YouTube channel and see my old podcast with John two years before he passed,

where I'm literally, I used to have a a podcast and my first guest was john anthony west and i'm literally talking to him calling him my mentor um so how did it start so when i transitioned out of the music industry you gotta be careful with that word transition these days you know why it could mean a few different things it's death could mean death could mean you're changing your gender you You never know. Well, for transition for me, death, right? In the esoteric tradition, death isn't an ending. It's a transition.

To where? To the next cycle. To the next. What's the next cycle? The afterlife. Yeah, but what is it? Beats the fuck out of me. I haven't been there yet.

That's a great answer. But what I can tell you is that we have all these texts you know all these ancient traditions and i think it's important to look at them and try to understand the ontology and the view that you know the the perspective that these people have taken on because especially when you know me as an esoteric researcher i like to look at things through an esoteric lens right that is the lens of the western esoteric tradition the word esoteric lens, right? That is the lens of the Western esoteric tradition. The word esoteric, by the way, the etymology of the word goes back to the Greek, "-eso," which means inner, the inner aspect of things.

And "-terikos," or "-teria," which meant festival. It was at the festivals where secrets were communicated. What secrets? These are the secrets preserved in so-called secret societies, societies with secrets. These are universal principles. And so, they were communicated at the festivals through different plays or mystery dramas. They were communicated through esoteric symbolism,

through gestures, through positioning, through colors, through archetypes. And they were intended to teach lessons, right? And if we can start looking at things in that way, trying to understand more about the ancient world... you know, I look at indigenous traditions and it radically differs from, you know, how we view things today in the Western world, right? This whole allure to the ancient mindset. We're attracted to Egypt, like we were saying earlier. I think it's the consciousness of the people who built these structures that attract us to Egypt because it exposes a tension in our modern society where attention between

scientific method, rational thought, divisive thinking, scientific method, and something that can bring us closer to spiritual realities. Science, spirituality. Materialism, spiritual world. A lot of cases, the spiritual world gets dismissed as pseudoscience because we can't see it. Just because science can't see it to measure it

and perform scientific approach doesn't mean it doesn't exist. You yourself acknowledge that you believe there's a soul and a spirit. Prove it. Measure it. Show me.

How can science prove it? But yet you're so convinced. And Wes is... It's a feeling. Wes is incredible at, he's a historical researcher. And he believes in his religion. So clearly he has some sense of spirituality. Oh, Wes Hough. Wes Hough, we've had recently. We've done before. But you can't necessarily prove a soul or a spirit.

And you can't prove what you can't see. You can't necessarily prove the unseen immaterial world, which the ancients seem to have an affinity for, as well as the afterlife. And so what I'm saying is that a lot of people look at death as the end. It motivates many of us. Most of us unconsciously are motivated by one thing,

fear, and specifically our fear of death. And that is taking care of the five basic human needs, food, clothing, medicine, shelter. Every morning you have to put clothes on, you don't want to be embarrassed, you want to go out there and fit in society. You're doing all of this, you're manipulating in a sense, you're doing all of this stuff. You're trying to survive, you're trying to make money because if you don't make money and you don't survive you don't have a shelter you don't have a shelter you can't get clothing you can't and ultimately you can get left behind and and you can diminish right so we we operate this fear-based mentality served us back in the day you know when the shaman of the tribe had to go out and you know all the warriors went out and you know um hunted animals and so forth. You had to be cautious, but we've developed a lot. We don't

need a lot of the same fear, especially worry. A lot of people waste so much time worrying, but it's almost a useless emotion because what's going to be is going to be case or a sera. You can't prepare for everything so worry fear when we can overcome and master our fear of death it's a very powerful thing have you done that in a sense i would say you may maybe i'm not entirely there because i still appreciate life and all it has to offer i love my family and friends and the experience in life but i'm also equally excited for the afterlife i want to see what's there i want to see what's there. I want to experience what's there. And I could go now. I grew up in a hood, Julian.

So I've had a loaded gun pointed to all four corners of my head. I know what it's like to feel like, fuck, I'm about to lose my life in an instant. I've jumped out of planes. I've traveled the world. I've been to many places that most people don't get to go. And I've been in situations that have conditioned me. And more so I've done the work, the deep esoteric work, trying to overcome, you know, your lower animal instincts, work with your shadow self, go within yourself to understand what's motivating you to rework the things that don't serve you.

And so I've also practiced, you know, deprivation tanks, going in float tanks, like Float Lab at Venice Beach in California. You go in the float tank, you close it in, it's complete darkness. Also spending long periods of time in the dark. I practice meditation. So spending long periods of time in the dark, cutting off your senses, sound, sight, smell, trying to reduce all your physical senses. When you're in a float tank, it's almost like it gives you a sense of death. And that is what a lot of initiatic esoteric traditions were doing. They were trying to prepare you for a metaphysical or using a symbolic or metaphysical death to prepare you for the

transition, you know? And it depends what tradition you subscribe to. Some people believe, like Gurdjieff in the esoteric fourth way teachings, that you can leave an impression on your consciousness you know and it depends what tradition you subscribe to some people believe like gajif in the esoteric fourth way teachings that you can leave an impression on your consciousness in this lifetime that will carry over into the next but if you don't do the work you're food for the moon you had said earlier and correct me if i'm wrong here if i missed the detail but you grew up in like kind of traditional catholic is that what it was my parents were catholics right so you went to church every sunday and sunday school until you get to high school and you're like fuck this i'm not doing this anymore right so was there like a point where you felt like it was just

a neil stan you know just listen to this and not question stuff where you're like no i want to question that because i don't know that this is the only way that you know definitions work on this stuff that happened early on, you know, being around multicultural neighborhoods and different people, different ideas, and then growing through the process, meeting different people in different places that have different perspectives.

I was already questioning certain aspects of the world's major, our religion early on. And then, and that's what led to getting the books on religion, then you start studying the religions, then you go to the source. Well, where did this come from? A lot of stuff we look at in Egypt, the principles are all there. It seems like they've used the principles of Egypt.

You go to the Luxor Temple, which is the subject of my new book. It's the Annunciation 1,500 years before the Bible. You have on the wall depicted is the story, you could use the word angel or a spiritual being or nature comes down, this divine god or a spiritual energy comes down, tells the virgin that she's going to have a, not the virgin, I'm sorry, tells the woman that she's going to have a virgin birth, a divine birth, a spiritual birth, and has a physical child, which was Mutawiyah, mother of Amenhotep III, builder of the Luxor Temple. It's all there. It's the Annunciation. When the angel comes down and informs Mary she's going to have a divine

birth, it wasn't Joseph who dropped the seed in Mary. It was the divine birth. Jesus didn't have a physical birth. That story is told on the wall at the Luxor Temple 1,500 years before the Annunciation. But not as Jesus. It's a different. Instead of it being Mary, it's Mutawiyah. It's his mother. And instead of Jesus, it's Amenhotep III.

And that story is told again at another point in Egypt where Hatshepsut, the female pharaoh who transgressed from the typical male pharaoh role uh had to assert her legitimacy so she has a scene where she's talking about being a divine pharaoh who's born of divine birth and this is a tradition that goes all the way back so these principles were already in egypt you find that many of the stories in christianity with the allegories and the symbolism, are representing principles and archetypes that are already inherent in the ancient Egyptian civilization. Does that necessarily, like, is correlation causation there?

Or, like, to be clear, I think that there are a lot of teachings in the Bible that are symbolic in nature versus actual truth. And then there's other things that historically look like, okay, we have good evidence for that. But even if there were, you know, previous allegories, so to speak, let's not even say they were real in Egypt or stuff like that 1500 years before, where they're giving a similar story model, is that in and of itself necessarily proof that therefore the Jesus story is just copied from that or does it happen to just be if true the same thing or a similar thing yeah that's a great question julian to be fair we can't say there's an actual direct connection oh they definitely

lifted this from this that'd be very difficult to prove what we can do is look at the preponderance of evidence and when we understand, you know, the esoteric symbolism, the nature of the reliefs, and we know what principles that they're perpetuating, and then we see it appear again in Christianity, the same themes, not only Christianity, but other traditions and cultures, the same recurring themes, you know, and for the fact that, you know, Jewish tradition, you know, Judea, it comes out of Egypt. They left, Moses comes out of Egypt. They're connected to the Pharaoh, right? Comes out of Egypt.

So those teachings come out of Egypt, which eventually becomes Christianity because Jesus' parents, they were Jewish, right? So there is a connection. There's just not a hard connection. And I would be remiss if I said, you know, you can't establish an act or be very difficult. I don't know any scholar has. There's tombs written about this. Many scholars have written books trying to establish a connection between the two. I will say that the principles are there. The principles are there, but, you know, it's very likely that these stories are just being retold in different ways got it so you essentially though like you were questioning the authority that had just been a definition of your life through the catholic church in this way to then look at all the other be it esoteric mystic or ancient traditions just to see where the story is all tied together but we got off this weave going with john anthony west and how he was your mentor right and you were on you did a podcast with him in 2016 a couple years before he died and everything but you had been talking with him

for some years before that so for people out there who aren't familiar with john anthony west can you just give his bio so the people understand the significance of him so john anthony west is really the great granddaddy of the entire alternative history scene right now, if you will, the space, because he opened the door and influenced people like Graham Hancock, Robert Bavall, all the way down the line to the Randall Calsons, all the way down to the Brian Forsters and the YouTubers, Uncharted X and so forth. They all, in a sense, owe a debt. And many of Graham Hancock, every lecture he does, he acknowledges John Anthony West. They all owe a debt to John Anthony West. Why?

Because of the water erosion theory, his redating of the Sphinx. Uh, in the early 19... mid-1990s, he had the big series on TV, on NBC. Charles Heston was the host, Mystery of the Sphinx. Charlton Heston? Yeah, Charlton Heston was the host of... Like Moses.

Yeah, exactly. The voice ofeston was the host of like moses yeah exactly i had the voice of moses as the host of this documentary called mystery of the sphinx which aired on back in the day on tv on nbc um and so yeah and so john anthony west is known for the water erosion theory what's this all about so john anthony west was uh a playwriter a lot of people don't realize he was a writer he knew copywriting he worked don't realize he was a writer. He knew copywriting. He worked with marketing agencies. He knew how to write. His hook, if you will, to pull people into his Egypt trips, he would say, Egypt is like sex.

You can read about it. You can talk about it. You can watch videos. But there's nothing like experiencing it. You have to actually go there to experience it. That's good. Yeah. And so, you know, John knew how to write. He's good yeah and so you know john knew how to write he knew that everybody is interested in sex that's going to catch your attention it's the

aida formula aida attention interest desire attraction it's a common marketing formula which john would be familiar with as a copywriter playwriter he wrote several books but some of his early work into like the more esoteric ancient civilization stuff started with, he wrote a book called A Case for Astrology. Astrology is considered a pseudoscience. Do you believe in astrology at all? I don't believe or disbelieve, you know. The girls talk about the horoscopes and I say, which one is that again? Yeah.

Right. The horoscopes, which is such a, you a... It's so much deeper, right? Because the horoscopes, you're going to look at the month you're born. If you're May, you're a Taurus, a Taurus-May. Real astrology, there's so much more depth to it. You got to know your ascending sign. It has to do with the time you... It's a snapshot of the sky at the time you were born. So you might know the month you were born in, but do you know your ascending sign? It has to do with the time you were born and where your location. And all of these things will be able to determine certain behavioral patterns, which is really powerful stuff. You know, for a long time, and it's still technically considered pseudoscience, but it's making its way back to the mainstream.

I just recently finished a graduate-level course. I paid Pacifica University to take this course in applied archetypal astrology. Applied archetypal astrology. You're borrowing from the work of Carl Jung on archetypes and applying it to astrology. And it was with a lot of psychologists and, like, you know, these are graduates, PhDs and stuff in here.

And you're using archetypes with astrology to develop a better, deeper understanding. Anyway, long story short, John is writing a book to make a case for astrology. He explores the origins and the roots and gets into its impact on humanity and that he believes there's something to it. I think it's one of those few things that I think there is something more to it. And it may not necessarily entirely be a pseudoscience. When you get into it and you practice it, it can reveal some pretty powerful stuff

about yourself and conditions. Anyway, in that process, he was also, he's always been interested in esoteric traditions. So he was interested in the work of George Ivanovich Gurjev, a Russian mystic, Armenian, not Armenian, Russian, let's say, Russian mystic, who started the Fourth Way teachings. John was a student, he was in a Fourth Way group. And in that group, he was introduced to the work

of R.A. Schwaller de Lubitsch, a French Hermeticist. What a name. Yeah. A French Hermeticist, alchemist, esotericist, and in a sense, an independent Egyptologist. Not an academically trained PhD, but he studied Egyptology. Schwaller had moved to Egypt, lived in Egypt for over 12 years with his wife and his stepdaughter. Same situation as me, in a sense, moving to Egypt and living there with the family. And he studied specifically the Luxor Temple. And he developed

this body of work known as the Symbolist Interpretation of Luxor Temple. So in his view, the temple is not merely, you know, an architectural structure, but it's more than that. It's didactic architecture. It is intended to teach a lesson. It's through mystic initiation, you're learning about universal principles, cosmological principles, and the nature of man. And so John was studying all of that stuff. And in that process, reading Schwaller's work, Schwaller wrote this extensive work making a case for this stuff. And Schwaller believed, and that's the other thing, we all owe a debt to John Anthony West. But before John Anthony West, really, Schwaller is the great-great-granddaddy of them all.

Because he was the one, after the end of a long chapter, which in this body of work, he's looking at Greco-Roman accounts, Greeks back dates to determine that the ancient Egyptian civilization is older than the Egyptologists are telling us it is. And these are the documents that John works from, the Palermo Stone and the Turin Papyrus. But at the end of – and he did an incredible detail. You know, John believed it was one of the best works of scholarship in our century. Schwaller had all the information in there, but none of it in a courtroom it's all hearsay why why because there's no scientific methods just people saying stuff it's the greeks saying that this had happened and the romans saying they viewed this oral history oral history and textual history you know but at the end of the day john realized it wasn't science but there was something Schwaller said that led to an epiphany for John.

At the end of the chapter, Schwaller recognizes that the Sphinx has aquatic water erosion on the body of the Sphinx. How did he discover that? That's an excellent question, Julian. Thank you. One that most people in this space don't ask. And that's going to lead to an excellent answer. One that nobody in this space has referenced before. St. Yves d'Alveigstra.

Or it's actually, let's see, it's Alexander Marquis St. Yves d'Alveigstra. Let's just stick to St. Yves because it's easy. He's an esotericist. He was known for synarchy, which was a philosophy on using esoteric principles for society. And he had the archaeometers, this esoteric instrument. And he really inspired a lot of the Western esoteric tradition, modern Blavatsky and the Theosophical Society and everything that came out of that. um uh rudolph steiner and um also the traditional martinus order on cuspappas and all of these people right down the line to the rosicrucians freemasons saint yeeves before schwaller believed that the sphinx was much older than egyptologists think and problem with him is he thinks it goes back to like 1200 bc he believes it was the product of um atlantean refugees after atlantis that they that they that they built the pyramids right yeah so the thing is when we say

atlantis an esoteric tradition there's different interpretations depending on your degree of understanding and consciousness depending on the degree of understanding and consciousness yeah all right in english okay let's let's break out for a minute and talk about esoteric symbolism to best understand this god this is so good i need a joint go ahead we can smoke when it happens i'm trying to quit but joint break please um yeah so you have let's take images for example imagery you have an elephant and you have a man with a beard and a pinstripe suit and a top hat. What does it mean? Circus?

That's that, I mean, that's what my visual would go to. Yeah. And if I were to go down the street to the McDonald's and ask the guy behind the counter flipping burgers, what is this and what is this? He might look at the image and say, oh, well, it's an elephant and it's a guy with a top hat and a pinstripe suit you know but if you take those same images and the whole scene the context to a political science major at harvard you're going to get a different answer oh right because the elephant is the elephant uh or the bear say the

bear the russian right or the russian bear right you have the bear which say the bear, the Russian, right. Or the Russian bear, right? You have the bear, which is a symbol of Russia. You have the pinstripe suit man, Uncle Sam, symbol of America. Interpretation of symbols. I got you. Interpretation of symbols can have many meanings and deeper layers of meaning. It's like peeling back the onion, right? So there's the surface. You're good.

There's the surface interpretation of symbols. And then there's often multiple or deeper meanings. And you may not arrive at those meanings unless you've gone through the various degrees to acquire the appropriate context for what it may mean. speak with legalese. It's like a secret language. This is why you hire a lawyer so that they can write your cease and desist letters or they write whatever letter using specific language that the commoners, the uninitiated like you and I may read and wouldn't understand the implications of this specific word. And I learned this in the music industry because if that one, I was surrounded by lawyers. And if this one word is off, you don't dot all your I's and cross all your T's, your contract is blown. Because it's almost like a secret. But they go through degrees in the educational system to earn a PhD, to earn, to learn. So at the front end, you might not understand it.

At the back end, you have a whole new meaning of what the word, you know, a word in that language would mean. Same thing with doctors. You're going to read medical journals. You're going to get lost. Same thing with Egyptologists. You might not get all the technical jargon in the Egyptological journals. That's why you go to school to become an Egyptologist, to learn the language, to learn the technique, to get equipped. And it takes years to do this. A lot of these alternative YouTubers pop up and, oh, why aren't the Egyptologists doing this or saying this? And it's because they have to follow a certain protocol.

They've gone through a process to acquire their understanding. Same thing applies with esoteric traditions where the initiated is going to go through degrees. We're talking about death. Some initiations, there's a living resurrection ritual where you go inside of a sarcophagus for three days

and the priests are doing incantations and stuff. And then you come out and it was like you had a death. You're twice born. You had a metaphorical, or it's not a physical death, but it was a transition. In the esoteric tradition, we don't say death, we say transition because death is not an ending. It's a transition. And the esoteric tradition, we don't say death, we say transition because death is not an ending, it's a transition.

And the ancient Egyptians understood this transition well as it was expressed by the sun. The sun would go to set in the west. It rises in the east, comes up along the horizon, the Horus horizon, sets in the west, where it goes to die every day. They would observe it. Oh, the birth of the sun, it is raw,

and then it goes to die. It gets swallowed into the underworld. This ties the afterlife karma and or not karma what's the resurrection reincarnation like reincarnation that's it yeah yeah so uh and and these doctrines were you know in ancient egypt so you would have the sun swallowed by the underworld and it goes into this unseen immaterial world, and every day it would be born again. Ancient Egyptians, every single day they died. You live to die and die to live again, 360 degrees.

That's how you comprehend. The sun rises, it dies. There's a cycle, a daily cycle. And they realized that everything goes in cycles. There's cosmological cycles, there's internal cycles. Cosmos being the macrocosm, us being the microcosm of that macrocosm so we can establish it you know that which is above is like that which is below and if you understand what's above you can understand what's below or taking a esoteric lens you know that which is um without is within and that which

is within is without because esoteric that which is within is without, because esoteric is about going within. So if you understand, if man know thyself, if you go inside and understand yourself, or if you understand that you're a microcosm of the macrocosm of the universe, and you understand how the universe works with the music of the spheres, which was a concept by Pythagoras, you know, and you learn how to embody these things. This is what all the esoteric traditions are teaching, right? And to overcome death, because death isn't the ending, which is powerful stuff. Because when you do, I do feel like I've overcome the majority of my fear of death. You might jump scare me at some point and I might,

you know, get startled. But if you were like, look, you're going to die. It's going to suck, but I'm ready. I'm ready for the next life. Well, it was, I didn't want to stop you back when you were talking about that, maybe 10, 15 minutes ago, but like, it was interesting how you put it. Your leftover fear of it. And I'm putting that in quotes. There has to do with the things that the people that you leave behind here. And there's a fear of not having them. And what does that mean in the afterlife?

Do you get with them again? But like you have a, you seem to have a piece of I'm cool not knowing what I don't know about what happens after and I'm looking forward to going there. So it's like you've kind of tamed that dragon maybe 75% of the way, but that last 25% is what makes you human. Yeah, and not only am I looking forward to it,

I'm preparing for it. I'm an esotericist. So like I consider myself a uh mystic and skeptics clothing like my mentor before me we can throw you out the fifth story window and you know get you there i'm not saying i can fly i'm not either but but as as uh as a mystic and skeptics clothing right i'm gonna approach everything with a healthy dose of skepticism yeah you know i'm gonna look at everything i'm gonna use science with a healthy dose of skepticism. You know, I'm gonna look at everything, I'm gonna use science, I think science is very valuable.

But I'm also operating with the understanding that I'm operating with a limited understanding. Science can't see everything yet. We don't know everything yet. There is more. So there's a case to be made for some stuff. And so, as a mystic, I'm going with in for answers. I'm not going without, I'm not running to YouTube. I'm not going to the Bright Insight YouTube channel for my answers.

You're not? No, I'll go to academia first. But ultimately, I'll go within. And if it's not right within, it's not going to be right without. How do you know if it's right within? You know, there's a knowing. It's gnosis. And ultimately, it's not about what's right or wrong.

Who gets to determine what's right and what's wrong, what's good and what's bad? Religions, they tell us, oh, Jesus is good, the devil's bad. Well, Jesus, if he is the way, if he's the salvation back to the creator, he's the principle of return to source. There's a source, we come from the source, we're here, we return. It's the same principle in ancient Egypt as Horus. Horus represents the return of the source.

Horus' opposition in that story is Set. Setian forces, which becomes Satan, which become the devil. Set is the principle of opposition. So our goal in humanity is to have this experience. According to the ancient mystery schools, the Pythagorean mystery schools, they view it as, it's like we're mirrors of the divine. We are extensions of the divine experiencing itself through us in this universe, and we are going to return back to source. But some people believe that in order to do that, you have to prepare. There's a process.

The ancient Egyptians had this whole, you know, afterlife carved out for them. They had to go through processes. And like I said, like the fourth way at Gurdjieff teachings, you got to stop preparing now to leave an impression on your consciousness with your Ka and with your Ba, which are terms we don't use anymore. We just have a soul. For the ancient Egyptians, they had nine different aspects. And the ka and the ba would reunite in the afterlife and come together to form what's known as the ak. And ak is the light. It's the fully realized, illuminated individual.

I understand what you mean when you talk about religions telling us good and bad or this or that and defining things for us. In some cases, it's strictly just based on a belief system or something like that, meaning it's not inherent. Let me explain that. To me, when you start to say there's – how do we determine what's good and bad? We don't. Like there's things that can't define that for us.

To me, when you get it down to brass tacks and just look at the world, remove religion, remove governments, remove spiritual teachings, whatever. There are – there's a lot of gray area for sure but there's certain things that i think are are common sense with what we gotta you know what what what we gotta face in the world at for an example if you go out if you leave here right now and you go find a woman on the street and against her consent have your way with her that's wrong i'm willing to sit here and say on the record on this podcast inherently if you're looking good and bad that's bad if you went and some dude on the street you shot him to death for no reason perfectly good guy you didn't know him you just shot him to death that's wrong so don't you think it gets a little weird when we start saying well to go within we can't really know what's right and wrong it doesn't that take it

like a step too far one each situation is going to be nuanced right there's who gets to determine what that's why you have courts of law and all of this, and it doesn't always end up serving justice. But what I'm saying is in terms of right and wrong, yes, there's a moral compass. You figure out what your moral compass is to determine for yourself. woman on the street improperly or you kill someone, both of those instances are destructive. So to me, it's all energy. You're either going to have positive or negative energy. And negative, that's all negative because it's destructive. It's going to destroy. But destruction is not always evil. Destruction is not always bad. People look at fire. Oh my God, the fire is a, it's a horrible thing. In esoteric traditions, fire is the initiating principle. As you're going to burn everything down to start anew. The Mesoamerican, the Maya, they would do a slash and burn technique in the fields. They would burn everything down and renew. It was about fire is the initiating principle.

If you get in a tarot, the first tarot card, you know, has the fire elements and all that. Fire is in the beginning because it's going to initiate the way for something new. So my point is that everything is energy. It's either positive or negative, or it could be neutral, right? And so when we start determining, well, this is the good guy and this is the bad guy, I feel it's like, and I won't say Jesus and Satan, because there's probably a lot of sensitive Christians that might be listening. Let's say Horus and Set from the ancient Egyptian tradition. Horus is the hero and Set is the bad guy. Why Set the bad guy? Because he killed, he destroyed Horus's father, Osiris. He dismembered him, cut him up into pieces,

and then the mother, Osiris, goes and resurrects him. It's all part of the Egyptian mythology. Set isn't necessarily the bad guy. He's not even a guy. He is a principle. He is a principle. His principle is representing opposition. When you get up in the morning and you get your podcast going and then suddenly, you know, you're not getting the right levels or your computer's not opening up. That is set in action. You know, anything that is opposition is set.

So anything, your goal in life, according to esoteric traditions, are to return back to the source. Anything that gets in the way of that, providing opposition, is set in action. But we need set. People are afraid of the devil i say sit down have breakfast and meditate with the devil you need to go through the fire to rise up as the phoenix from the ash oh so is this and correct me if i'm wrong here maybe i'm misinterpreting but i always talk about like if the world were a perfect place and there were nothing evil nothing would there wouldn't be a point to it because there would be no feeling of up and down, like accomplishment or whatever. Are you saying

something similar here? In a sense, it's like, yeah, how can you truly appreciate love if you haven't gone through the light and dark? How can you appreciate the light if you've always had light? If your whole life has been good and you've been handed everything and everything's good for you, how are you ever going to appreciate that? Versus someone who hasn't had everything, someone who's had to go through struggles and overcome obstacles and work their way through and sustain to get where they're at, they're going to have a different appreciation when that reward comes. And when Julian Dory calls them up and invites them to their podcast, they're going to appreciate it because they've gone through the struggle, you know what I mean, to get there.

So the point that I'm trying to make with all of this is that we need opposition. Esoteric tradition recognizes the importance of two complementary aspects. And it's often encoded in architecture. What I mean by that is, in simple terms, you need a male, positive. Female, negative, receptive. Male and female must come together to form new life. You need a positive current and a negative current to come together to form electricity.

It is through opposition of complementary opposites that the creative principle is manifested. Nothing will be created without some sort of opposition. You need to, you know, in a sense, all of this is your adversary. You need to overcome, you know, you got to make sure the levels are all of this is your adversary you need to overcome you know you're going to make sure the levels are right in order to produce this podcast yes two complementary opposites male and female need to come together to form new life electricity opposites need to

come together form new life psychologically if you're if you have an adversary and you know like conflict is okay it's good it doesn't have to end in violence through we're all adults we can have differing opinions as long as we're respectful for one another we don't need to do the name calling and they're trying to tear somebody down with false information we can have a discussion and arrive at new conclusions but in order to do this you know you have to go through your opposition that's right john anthony west we're talking about which we haven't got you brought the weave back i didn't have yeah i brought the weave for you johnny one of the most powerful him up with uh i just want to make sure you brought him up with like some european

guys who were talking about his aquatic whatever on the sphinx but yeah yeah keep going all right all right in short john anthony west one of the most powerful lessons i learned from john something that he would teach is to give your opposition it's. You know, we're sitting here, right? And I can step outside of myself psychologically and create this observing spectator. I can take myself out of myself and analyze a situation. Oh, am I too loud? Am I too excited?

You know, you probably do a lot of this on your own. You know, when you're doing a podcast, you have to check your tonality, your pacing. You have to think of questions. Sometimes you have to step out of the environment. You know, when you're doing a podcast, you have to check your tonality, your pacing. You have to think of questions. Sometimes you have to step out of the environment. This is good when you're in an argument with someone, because if you feel yourself fight a flight response going off or you're getting angry, you have the power to move. You know, I think in terms of a DJ, I used to DJ.

So I'd move the crossfader on a mixing board to get more of what I need. And if you can take self-inventory of yourself in the moment, you can see what you need. So by doing that, you gain mastery over the situation. It's the top of the pyramid, right? You're at the bottom of the pyramid. I'm the other side of the bottom of the pyramid triangle. But over here is this objective truth. There's your truth.

There's my truth. Then there's the objective truth. That's what I'm trying to get closest to. And the more that I can pull myself out of myself because i have my own preconceived notions my own limited understanding as do you our own conditioning from our own backgrounds our own thought process but if we can pull out of that and put ourself in a position of our opposition and get a little bit empathy and try to understand that's how you work things out. And people are afraid. They're afraid of challenges.

People are lazy these days. They don't want to put the work in. They don't want to go through something that bothers them. You know, oh, this is going to be too much work. The esoteric tradition is about doing the work, putting yourself in those uncomfortable situations, making yourself comfortable with being uncomfortable so that when the uncomfortable, inconvenient, objective truth smacks you in the face, you're prepared.

And that's what initiation is about. Yeah. And being it, you know, what you're talking about, too, and I think this is so relatable to everything today, being able to put yourself in a position where you can change your opinion when faced with better evidence that's a lesson i don't give a fuck what it is whether it was as a terrorism that did it or you know some fucking guy on a youtube channel said you should you should go do this but like we need more of that in our society like i appreciate the guys and this is what i was saying earlier about billy carson if billy carson had come out after the west debate and and said you know what, yeah, he made a few good points. I hadn't thought of it that way. I would have respected him so much because I would have said,

all right, there's so much information here. You know, maybe there are some things you're wrong about. Every fucking person out there is wrong. But when you come out and you go, no, how dare him? He's trying to stop our movement. And you sue him and all this stupid shit. You make yourself look like an asshole because you are so rigidly backed in your corner this is my worldview and this is what it is and in his case i think it's for financial reasons more than anything he's got to protect his investment in his brand and it's just so disappointing because this is how we like we get somewhere based on the types of conversations you seem to want to have which is like all right let's put it all together and

you know figure out what's what that's what i do with my tours in Egypt. We put all the pieces on the table. We're going to give you the academic, the traditional narrative. And I know it very well because I studied ancient Egyptian history, the mythology, the language. I know it really well. But in addition to that, I also know the alternative theories really well. And then I have my esoteric perspective. So I try to put all the pieces on the table when i do my tours a lot of my competitors do tours with one narrative lost technology we're gonna go look for no this is what it must be i throw all the pieces out there in a sense unbiasedly and let the audience the crowd the group yes the side for themselves love that and and i've toured with both sides i I've toured with alternative side, engineer Christopher Dunn, the Kemet School, John Anthony West, who taught me, and then others that are more on the academic side, Dr. David Miano, a historian.

David Miano. I think people were asking, is he alive? Yeah, he's alive. I just led him through Egypt for an Egypt tour. Someone was asking me to bring him on the show. He's famous for debunking online. He does a lot of debunking. He's a historian.

He's a general historian and a teacher. Yeah, he's a great guy. I got to check him out, but go ahead. Yeah. And so, you know, and then I've done tours, collaborated tours with other YouTubers that kind of walk this middle line, like they rely on evidence, you know, ancient architects, history for granite, history with

Cayley. And so, you know, the whole point is I like to look at the big picture, put all the pieces on the table where I see a lot of the alternatives will often cherry pick certain aspects to fit their narrative. I try to put everything out there and try to give as much information as possible and let the people decide and then if they Ask for my opinion. I'll let them know and a lot of them often disappointed because people come on My tour is expecting John Anthony West narrative my mentor We didn't get into it, but John Anthony West is known for his redating the Sphinx Yes, and you were talking about it based on aquatic

Water erosion right right, right, which i don't agree with his final conclusion while i respect my mentor and i've learned a tremendous amount from him i do not share all of his conclusions i do not think the sphinx is much much older than the egyptologists tell us i don't think it can be older than 3500 bce let's start with this let's break down his theory and then let's break down yours okay so his theory is that the Sphinx is much older than traditional Egyptologists tell us. Why? When he read this, when he was reading Schwaller de Lubitsch, who was an esotericist who had moved to Egypt, studied the Luxor Temple, Schwaller was a prodigy. At age 16, he was lecturing before the Theosophical Society doing a treatise on Pythagorean number mysticism, how numbers correspond to cosmology.

And he was an esotericist. He had an esoteric background. So he approached Egyptology with this unique esoteric perspective where all the traditional Egyptologists, most of them, they're either Christian or they're strictly into the science. They're not gonna pay any attention

to the esoteric stuff. It's all woo-woo to them, which is unfortunate. There is a lot of woo-woo. There is a lot of charlatanism. But there's also people that are very serious. And I believe that Schwaller was a serious scholar and had a different understanding that he brought to Egypt. And he interpreted things in a different way.

But in that process, at the end of his book, he writes this observation about aquatic water erosion. And what I was saying before, that you won't hear anywhere else, it goes before him. He was influenced, in a sense, I wouldn't say his mentor, but he was influenced by St. Eves, who we talked about earlier. St. Eves believed the Sphinx goes back to maybe 12,000 years before the actual date, and it was the product of refugees from Atlantis. However, there was no science to back that up. He was speaking strictly philosophically, in a sense. Schwaller started making a case for that. And so Schwaller acknowledges that there's water erosion,

but doesn't pay much attention to it. For West, a light bulb went off. Well, if it's water erosion, that's geology. Geology is science. So even though we have all these historical documents and texts that Schwaller's trying to make a case for a much older Egypt, this is science. John didn't have the ability to go and present this in the academic space. He'd be ridiculed, and he was ridiculed. But then when he got with Shock, Shock has the certified credentials. He's a geologist, paleontologist at Yale. He teaches at Boston University. And when he went with John Anthony West to the Sphinx in the early 90s, and a lot of people credit him today because West has passed shock is still alive shock does a lot of conferences and people often attribute uh the whole water erosion theory and hypothesis to shock but it originates with west and even before west but they both played a role they both made a role and so he brings in shock and um when they go

there they look at the water erosion and then shock ends up coming back with thomas dobeke in the early 90s thomas dobeke brings, he was a geophysicist, brings in state-of-the-art equipment. They do seismic refraction survey, like tomography, where they study the ground. Basically, it's based on the exponential kinetics of the stone. In other words, if you cut stone, it's exposed to the light, and then it starts

to deteriorate over time and that deterioration is exponential but it slows down it's kinetic so they use this whole process from that they're able to establish different um you know interpretations which they did for dating the sphinx so there's two key observations so so john's original observation is that uh well if there's water erosion on the sphinx he went he checked it out and he's original observation is that, well, if there's water erosion on the Sphinx, he went and he checked it out. And he's like, sure enough, this Sphinx looks heavily eroded. This limestone sculpture, some 70 feet tall, 270 feet wide, arguably the most spectacular sculpture on earth, looks heavily eroded. And to understand what's going on here, it'd be important

to give a brief lesson on the geology of the Sphinx, Sphinx Geology 101. The Sphinx is composed of three separate levels of rock strata, starting with the head and above is the hardest, and then the majority of the body, which has alternating soft and hard levels of limestone, and then another layer below, which kind of dips through the plateau. And it kind of dips from two angles, and it comes from like southwest to the northeast, and it kind of rolls. So it makes it very complex. The simplest way of explaining it,

you can think of the Sphinx and the geology of the Sphinx as a layer cake. This becomes important later, of stone. This becomes very important later. So when John looked at it, he could see the body, which is what they refer to as member two, or the second layer of limestone in the moccatum rock formation at giza um the moccatum rock formation the moccatum rock that's what it is people call it a plateau it's technically it's not really a plateau anyway it's neither here nor there uh so john observed

this erosion in fact john this story gets retold different ways. I've heard people say others have done it. It was John who brought this to a curator at a museum, and he showed them an image of eroded stone, and he put duct tape across the bottom and the top of the image. So you just see the main body of stone. It's heavily eroded. And they're like, oh, it looks like erosion, heavy erosion, water erosion. John rips the duct tape off and reveals the face of the sphinx and they're like oh this is the sphinx john knew that he was onto something but he didn't

have the credentials so he needed to have shock a geologist come in and verify it which he did john originally thought and this is what i love about john anthony west because if he he's the last was the last of a dying breed who has transitioned already because if he was wrong and it could be demonstrated that he was wrong, he would stand correct. And he did, because he originally wrote he thought it was Nile flooding, because Egypt doesn't see that much rain.

The Sphinx is supposed to have been carved from the living bedrock during the period of Khafra, which is the second pyramid in the chain at Giza. You have Khufu, his son Khafra, and then Menkaure. And during the time of Khafre, which is the second pyramid in the chain at Giza. You have Khufu, his son Khafre, and then Menkaure. And during the time of Khafre is when the Egyptologists say that they believe the face of the Sphinx is likely Khafre. And so this is around 2400, 2500 BCE, okay? And so the problem is that if there's this water erosion, it doesn't really rain like that in Egypt. It hasn't been that wet throughout Egypt. And before that, you have like the Naptian pluvials, you have the African humid period where there was rain in Egypt. Egypt used to be a savannah. In fact, dozens, dozens of times, Egypt has gone from desert to, you know, it's transitioned over the years. And when we look at the geology, one thing that's important to keep in mind, some of the erosion we're looking at is millions of years old in the stone. It's been desert, tree, vegetation, desert, vegetation throughout cycles of time.

Do we know what causes that? I'm not a geologist. I'm uncertain, actually. You know, I'd have to dig into more of the geology. Sure, that's a great answer. Yeah, I don't have an answer, and I don't want to steer you wrong and pretend I do. A geologist could better explain it than me. Sure.

I just know over long periods and cycles of time, the way the planet's affected is going to affect the landscape, you know. And, like, the Nile has shifted. The Nile used to be closer. The Nile has shifted. The Nile used to be closer. The Nile shifted. Anyway, so if you have this water erosion, how could that be possible if Egypt didn't have? That was the whole thing, right? The mystery of the Sphinx. How could this be possible if there was no rain? So John thought this might have went back.

It survived the Great Flood. When shock came, he said, no, it's not Nile flooding. It's precipitation-induced water erosion. He made two observations. One of them was the erosion. On the body of the Sphinx, the core body, which is what Schwaller referred to, the body, not necessarily the head, which is the hardest, and not below, which is covered up with stone masonry today, but the core body, the middle part, is heavily eroded. And you can see where

water runoff may have impacted the Sphinx. But more so, the real evidence is in what's known as the Sphinx enclosure. The Sphinx was dug out from a ditch. It's not a statue. It wasn't built. It was, stone was removed to form a ditch, and then they believe those stones are what made the temples in the front, although there's some, there's controversy around that. Maybe, maybe not.

Anyway, and then they fashioned the sculpture, the statue. So if you want to envision the Sphinx, you know, it's going through several stages. Originally, it would have been what's known as like a yarding, basically an outcropping. Everything would have been level from the neck up. From the neck up is where the people would be walking, the surface level. And it was just a giant piece of stone, outcropping stone. At some point, somebody started to dig down and fashion a trench around it. And then they fashioned the body. And this is another thing. A lot of people talk about, oh, the head of the Sphinx had to be carved down.

It had to be a lion previously. Why? Because if you look at the Sphinx, actually, if you want to pull it up on the screen, try to find an aerial view of the Sphinx. So like Giza or Egypt to find an aerial view of the sphinx so like uh giza or egypt sphinx aerial view when you look at the sphinx you'll notice that the head appears to be disproportionate to the very long body small head big long body with a rump in the back uh okay so the second one right there second one maybe well actually that yeah that's fine we'll go with that well the one right there? Second one, maybe. Actually, yeah, that's fine. We'll go with that.

The one right in the middle. Yeah, so actually it's hard to tell from here. The fourth one? You want that one? Right there? That might be better. How about this? Maybe put in Sphinx head disproportionate. Because there's better images where you can see.

All right, so let's type in Sphinx head disproportionate let's see what we get there never gets old looking at this i don't care what angle you look at it from it's just amazing it never gets old going there all right uh what we want all right well all right the one far right second row, go back. Well, that's showing right below that to the right. Right there. That. So we can see, this isn't the best example, but we can see the head in the front looks really small compared to this long body with a tail that wraps around. So people are like, oh, it couldn't be the real head. It had to be the head of a lion. You can see an example in the middle there. Maybe it was originally a lion. It existed before pharaonic times or early pharaonic times, and then they carved it down into the face of a pharaoh.

We're going to settle this and set the record straight right now here on the Julian Dory podcast. Let's do it. The reason why the head of the Sphinx appears to be disproportionate is because if you look at the back of the Sphinx, it's actually not disproportionate to the original concept of the Sphinx. What I mean by that is the Sphinx, it's actually not disproportionate to the original concept of the Sphinx. What I mean by that is the Sphinx we see today isn't even your great-great-granddaddy Sphinx. There's been so many restorations over time. But originally, you have this outcropping of stone. They start to dig a ditch around it, and then eventually form the body. And then there's been many restorations from the Old Kingdom, the New Kingdom, all the way up in the Greek and Roman

times into modern restorations, you know, where they're adding stone masonry around the Sphinx. Originally, well, in the back of the Sphinx, right before the hunch, right before the rump, there's what's known as the Great Fissure. It starts on the plateau, it goes through the enclosure wall of the plateau, and runs through the back of the Sphinx right before the hump, right before the butt. It's a big crack that goes through the Sphinx. Originally, that would have been part of the bedrock and everything forward would have been your original body of the Sphinx. So the reason why people say the head looks too small for the body is because the body we see today has been expanded to accommodate the great fisher and if people actually looked into the egyptological it's been expanded and if if people took the time to actually look into the you know the body of

egyptological work you go to the sources mark laner who's a eminent egyptologist he's probably the foremost authority besides say zahi hawass who's really more of a face for tourism and stuff mark laner his office was in between the paws of the Sphinx. He studied it every day, stone by stone, few of those who know the Sphinx better than Mark Lehner. And he did a whole survey, literally stone by stone of the Sphinx. And in his dissertation, which is hundreds of pages, I've read it several times, you can find his dissertation online on page 410 or 408 of his dissertation, somewhere in there, don't quote me, in between 410 and 408, it's either the first or the second paragraph, he references this and

talks about how the fissure is expanded in the back. So in other words, you have, it might be hard for the viewers to see here, but let's say this is the bedrock here's the sphinx and they they carve out the body of the sphinx and it would have originally looked like can you pull up nama's palette n-a-r-m-e-r palette nama's palette is what defines the egyptian civilization are you saying namas because you're from Boston? I'm saying Nama's from Boston. It's N-A-R-M-E-R. Nama's Palette. He parked the car in the Hobbit Yard with Nama. N-A-R, not, yeah. N-A-R.

M-E-R. M-E-R. Yeah, our first one right there. First one. Yep. Yep. Okay. Images.

Click on the images right there. Perfect. And then if you can just zoom in or click on the image so it's full screen. This is the front and back of the nomer palette and if you look to the left you'll see an image of nomer catfish chisel that's what nomer catfish yeah yeah that's what nomer means the ancient egyptian language the hieroglyphs are right up above that say um it's truck month at gmc tackle the open road with added confidence in a 2025 Sierra 1500 Pro Graphite at 0% financing for up to 72 months. With an available 5.3 liter V8 engine, 20 inch high gloss black painted aluminum wheels,

off-road suspension with available 2 inch factory installed lift kit, plus a towing capacity of up to 13,200 pounds. You'll be ready for anything this truck month. Truck month is on now. Ask your GMC dealer for details. Catfish, symbol for catfish, and chisel. That's his name, catfish chisel. Nomer, also known to the Greeks as Menes. He's the first, not really the first, because it's a really gray area, Dynasty Zero, and there were rulers before him. But Namur is what begins Egyptian civilization as we know it for scholarship.

We define ancient Egyptian civilization by a chronological timeline when it starts when Namur unified the two lands, upper and lower Egypt, the north and the west, brought the two lands together. That's the beginning of ancient Egyptian dynastic civilization, which then we have dynasty one, two, three, all the beginning of ancient egyptian dynastic civilization which we

then we have dynasty one two three all the way up there is some controversy and it is still disputed about dynasty zero and then there's there's a controversy it's a very gray area we don't have a lot of information in fact i just came back from necken which is a site that uh we were the one of the first public groups to actually bring a tour group to this site. We had to get special permissions. It took me a long time to set it up. And thankfully, because I have good relationships from Alexandria to Aswan and with the Ministry of Antiquities in Egypt, we were able to get access for Dr. David Miano's tour. And I was able to lead them to Nekin.

Nekin is important because it's one of the oldest ancient Egyptian sites. And it's where they dug the Nama palette. I literally stood on the mound that they pull this thing out of. Few eyes ever get to see this, Julian. Most tourists that go to Egypt never see this. In fact, most Egyptians don't even know about it. I asked the local Egyptians, they're like, where is Neckin?

So you're the plug. I'm the plug. So we took the group there and it's a significant site and this is where they pull Nama's palette out from. And it's not very well excavated. There's still much more work to be done. And I've had discussions with Egyptologists about this. If we were to do more excavations at Neckin, we're probably going to be able to learn more about early and pre-dynastic history. We already know a little bit about pre-dynastic history from the area, like early prototypes, we could say, of Egyptian hieroglyphs, where they would use different glyphic symbols on ivory tags, bone tags, which the language seems to slowly develop

or quickly develop from that. Anyway- Can we pull up Nama's again? Sorry. Yeah, so Nama's palette. We want to take a look at Nama's palette. It looks like a shield, but it wasn't used as a shield. It was actually used for the makeup for the eyes. There's a circle and they would put their stuff in there, their paint.

All right. So look on the left. We have Namur. Namur in his right hand is holding the war mace. He's grabbing the enemies by the hair. They're on their knees just above the enemy's head. We notice the falcon and it's on top of what has like this elongated horizontal body and the head. I don't know if you can zoom in are you able to zoom in on that image yeah oh yeah beautiful and i gotta give a shout out to matt simpson an ancient architect's youtube channel he was the first to really conceptualize a theory around this but in any event this is a good this is a good demonstration of what the sphinx may have originally looked like.

So it's a good tool to use. So imagine the head was just an outcrop of stone, and then you fashion this body. And that looks, you know, proportionately, that's fine. That would have been an early rendition of what the Sphinx would have looked like. And then right at the end was this big fissure. Oh, shit. Yes. The light bulb has gone off with julian so right

at it where you see it truncate in the back to the far right what it looks like his butt they they wanted to extend that to make hunches to make turn it into an actual sphinx to to make it have the hunches of the rump of the sphinx so they had to carve over the fissure they had to expand the sphinx and then from there they added a tail over the fissure. They had to expand the Sphinx. And then from there, they added a tail and they added legs. And then they added bricks to the front of that to make the paws of the Sphinx. And then over time,

there's been different restorations and so forth. So what I'm saying is, I'm saying, look at your original Sphinx. This is, aside from the outcropping of the rock, then they fashioned the face, then they make the body and everything would have been proportionate.

Everything from the great fiss of the rock, then they fashion the face, then they make the body, and everything would have been proportionate. Everything from the Great Fisher forward is proportionate. The reason why people think it's disproportionate and use that as evidence to say, oh, it was carved down from an older head, is because they're taking into account what the Sphinx looks like today, which would have had an expanded... Now go back to the Sphinx. Put in side profile of Egyptian Sphinx. Side side profile egyptian sphinx did i mishear this 10 minutes ago i want to make sure i'm following all this because it's kind of blowing my mind but you were saying that they elongated it over time yeah correct and how but how long is that time that's another million dollar question julian and that's one i'm still

trying to research and i don't know how we could figure that out. Because, again, Mark Lehner accounts for it, but he doesn't say how long it took. Right. So we don't know exactly. Again, Schock and Dobeke did seismic refraction survey. We can kind of determine dating from their interpretations with some things in the back because the levels in the back are like one to three meters, and then it dips down. Anyway, so here's a side profile. So look at the big picture we're looking at here on the right.

You see where it's like light in the back? It looks like light's reflecting. From where the light reflects back is where the great fissure is. Actually, can you put in, before we move off of this, so from that light source forward kind of matches, and now imagine if the paws weren't there, it kind of matches and now imagine the paws weren't there it kind of matches that image you've seen of a horizontal body with a head yeah that and keep in mind that nomer palette goes back to the earliest parts of egyptian civilization right and so but it doesn't have the things sticking up it doesn't have the things sticking

out but the sphinx is missing something sticking out of its head because so google the things were still in the in the nimmers palette go back to nommers pick on nommers palette let's go back to nommers palette nommers palette yeah okay so you see well it's sticking out of the back right now go back to the image of the sphinx and look at the image in the middle the white background how it has a crown the sphinx has a crown do you see second row third image in oh yeah has a crown. Do you see second row, third image in? Oh, yeah. Has a crown. It likely would have had one. The Sphinx today has a giant hole in its head. It goes down about six feet. However, it was filled with cement in the early 20th century by Emil Barais, an Egyptologist. So there's still images of it where you could see a man, before they filled it with cement,

you can see a man standing inside of the hole in the head of the sphinx and we can get into the different entrances into the sphinx in the so-called hall of records if you want to cover that too yeah let's do that yeah i did a whole expose on this on my youtube channel next on youtube where i go into the hidden entrances origins and mysteries of the great sphinx link in description by the way it's an excellent channel so everyone make sure you go subscribe to that but go ahead thank you kindly uh and so and i will confirm it is an excellent channel it just doesn't happen don't let the low subscribers fool you i think i have like i never get 50k that if it's quality it's quality i don't give a fuck well people tell me all the time they're like me you have all this amazing content all this knowledge and nobody's

just need your spark here you go let's get it thank you julian all right yeah so so if you go i lived in luxor in luxor we have the luxor i lived in egypt for a while it when when you go to luxor museum there's a small sphinx statue of king tut as as the sphinx he takes on another form and you can see the crown on the head of the statue it's like a lego piece it goes into the hole and snaps together so it's likely that the sphinx the great sphinx once had a crown now missing also it had a beard together. So it's likely that the Sphinx, the great Sphinx, once had a crown, now missing. Also, it had a beard, and we know it had the beard, the royal beard of the pharaoh. It broke off because the pieces are in the Cairo Museum and the British Museum, multiple pieces. And it likely had a statue of Osiris that was added beneath the beard.

Those pieces are missing today. My point is, though, if you were to extend, so if we go back to the other image where the light is on the side profile of the sphinx there if you take into account from where you see the light in the dark in the back rump of the sphinx that's right around where the fissure is and everything forward would be proportionate the head is proportionate forget the pause pretend there's no pause the head is proportionate to this horizontal mound which looks similar to the motif that we find on the Nama palette. And what I'm proposing is that, and what it says in the Egyptological record is that in order to form a rump in the back, they had to go past the fissure, and that's what gives it that look. And now that they've created

this big rump, the Sphinx looks, appears disproportionate. But then they go and add the tail and the paws. And so people take that and they're like, the head is too small. It doesn't fit the body. Because the original body isn't the body we see today. And it probably developed over time from an outcropping. Maybe they carved the face. And then they decided to carve out the horizontal platform. And then they decided to turn it into a Sphinx.

And they added the tail. You know, it might not have been one concept from the beginning and it wouldn't be unusual for it to come out of the living bedrock. It has a deeper esoteric, there's a cosmological concept to it. The one coming out of creation, like a lot of these block statues where the, you know,

people are coming out of the block, you know, it's, it's, it's spirit trapped in matter. It's another way of expressing it. Yeah know uh it's it's it's spirit trapped in matter it's another way of expressing it um yeah so that's it so it's not that the head is disproportionate to the body it's disproportionate to the body we see today and that body is an expansion of what was likely the original

concept for the sphinx and what were your findings in all the different holes and crevices of the sphinx that you did the full video on because Because I watched this one. This was pretty nuts. Yeah. So, and I've changed, well, I won't say I changed my views, but in the video- That's okay. I champion, well, I do change my views. In the video, I champion John Anthony West's theory, the water erosion theory. And I explain it, you know, I talk about all the entrances, but I also talk about the water

erosion hypothesis and make a strong case for it. But today, these videos, I don't know how many years old. And I don't mind telling somebody's story or somebody's narrative. It doesn't mean that I personally agree or conclude. So back to the water erosion theory with John Anthony West. Because Egypt didn't see that kind of water, it must mean that it's older. And so, Schock made two observations, the water erosion on the body of the Sphinx, and then, you know, the erosion on the Sphinx enclosure itself, which suggested that it was precipitation-induced water erosion. In other words, rainfall that had eroded the Sphinx over time. And then, the other observation was from

the geophysical survey. I said he did a seismic refraction survey where they set lines up around the Sphinx to determine. And from that, this is interesting too, because a lot of people will argue the Sphinx is 10,000 years old, 20,000 years old, 30,000 years old. According to Dr. Robert Shock's work, that seismic refraction survey with Thomasomas de becke in early 90s the sphinx cannot be more than 10 000 years old and when shock first started with west he was still you know with university he was up for tenor so he had to be very cautious and he took a conservative approach and he said okay the sphinx is likely it could go back five six thousand years he was

taking a conservative approach even though the data shows it could go back further but he was trying to find a conservative approach because egyptology suggests the sphinx is around 24 2500 bc shock saying oh it could be five six thousand years earlier because that puts it back to a period where there was heavier you know heavier rainfall later in his career after uh performing at contact in the desert and ancient alien conferences and being on ancient aliens and getting all these speaking gigs he changes his interpretation and now he pushes it back and says no actually I think it's closer to 10,000 BC could be as old as 10,000 BC but it can't according to his data which is behind a paywall and difficult to get to if you go look at that data

according to the data it can't be older than 10,000 BC, based on the results, his own data sets. So this makes a case for Sphinx not being older than 10,000 BC. Me personally, I think it's right around where the Egyptologists say it is. Maybe a few hundred years older. I will say, like, I don't believe the sphinx was carved before 3500 bce based on what well there's brand new evidence uh there's a new study that came out in 2022

john anthony west passed away in 2018 and i often ask myself what would he say in the face of this evidence there's also a new proponent for the other side, Robert Schneiker, a geophysicist, who's making a case for this as well. The study was about the Khufu branch in Nile. They discovered this branch, it came off the Nile, there are these canals that would go right up to the pyramids. And the study also shows that during periods in Egypt, that during the African human period and before that there was so much rainfall that the position of the Sphinx, it's low on the Mokadam rock formation, it's low on the platform, on the plateau, and it's right next to where the water is, that at this time, the Sphinx would have been covered in water, that the water flow would have been much higher

and much more forceful. robert schneiker contends that you know with this bit with this knowledge and with this being the case as well as he's got a lot more to you know add to this um i won't articulate his narrative as well in fact he's somebody you may want to have on the show in fact if you really want to have uh an event what needs to happen right now in this space is for robert schneiker and dr robert shock to have a debate let's do it boys do it right here on the julian doy podcast you can come coaster with me i personally i can't speak for someone else i don't think shock will do it but i'm pretty fairly certain come on bobby come on baby schneiker would love to do it because i don't bite this is

the newest information and shock is still repeating all the old information, his old narrative. And he has not. And he said himself in the past, if it can be demonstrated I was wrong, you know, I'll stand correct. But he has not yet once addressed the issues that are being raised by Robert Schneider. And a lot of people get this wrong. I just watched the, well, I remember the Graham Hancock and flint-dibble debate on Joe Rogan That was a tough one. They talk about how? Rogan has it in his mind that all the geologists agree with dr. Robert shock that there's a

Consensus that is inaccurate. That's because that's what he was told because that's a story that's been perpetuated And that's not exactly what happened. The reason for this is in the early 90s John Anthony West dr Robert shock went to a geological convention. They weren't actually part of the actual presentation. They were in a sense that they had a poster board out in the hallway. They weren't on the conference panels. They had a poster board in the hallway to present this theory. They collected a lot of emails. And that's the extent of it. That doesn't mean that emails they collected from other geologists is a strong co-sign in their theory. It's not. In fact, several independent geologists, most geologists is a strong cosine in their theory right it's not in fact several

independent geologists most geologists don't care about the sphinx but several independent geologists have studied it and there's this idea that needs to be dismantled today on the julian dory podcast that all the geologists are against the egyptologists and they all in fact i don't know any geologists that entirely agree with Dr. Robert Shock's conclusion. You have Lal Gari. You have the geologist that originally said it was wind and sand erosion. And Shock says, no, it's precipitation-induced water erosion. Therefore, the Sphinx must be older because Egypt didn't see this amount of water during the time that the Egyptologist is saying.

You also have Colin Reeder, who aligns with some of Shock's ideas. And I like Reeder's. This is why I think the Sphinx could be a few hundred years earlier than the Egyptologist thing. Reeder puts together a great presentation. He's also a geologist, and he's independently studied at the Sphinx. He says he wrote a paper that Khufu knew the Sphinx. Khufu is the father of Khafra. Since the Sphinx is supposed to have been fashioned during

a time of khafra kufu shouldn't know about the sphinx why does he say this because of the inventory stealer the inventory stealer the inventory stealer it was discovered at giza it was um behind uh well it was at the isis temple which is oh that's unfortunately named but i know you're absolutely right because that's the Greek word for a cell exactly it's such a beautiful name until the terrorists well the thing is you know I know it's often associated with the terrorists but that's actually the Greek term for a set or right set right you know it's or see an or set Osiris and I even Horus is actually hey do means the

house of Hathor so anyway he said Eset, Isis, strong character and figure in Egyptian tradition. It was a temple that was consecrated to her, the remains, and there they found the inventory stela. And on this stela, it references Khufu. And it references the Sphinx. How is this possible? Khufu predates the Sphinx. How could it be referencing Khufu in the Sphinx? Well, let's turn to Egyptology, what do the Egyptologists say?

Because we can just take the alternative historians and YouTubers who want to sell books and tours at their word and think the Egyptologists are covering stuff up. Or we can actually go to the Egyptologists. And this is what I'm trying to do by bringing more balance. Yeah, because I lived in Egypt. I used to sit down and drink coffee i'd go into their homes i met their families these are real people with children and family it's not some evil cabal conspiracy theories they're trying to cover everything up i don't like the idea of defining everything as one what has pissed me off in the past is when the ivory tower causes that hardcore reaction on

the other side fuck that and i've called that out before but the idea that like therefore everyone is zahi huas or whatever that's not fair i want to judge facts on their individual basis or whatever yeah so i i agree and that's why i think it's important to bring balance to the conversation and actually look at the archaeological record because you can go to the alternative side and have them go, oh, the Egyptologists, they're just covering everything up. What do they know? Here's the real evidence. See it on my YouTube channel.

Or you can actually make the effort like I did to go into the record and see what they actually say. Don't wait for the alternative historian to cherry pick one phrase and attack. Go and study it. Learn the Egyptian hieroglyphs. The hieroglyphs will tell you what's in the relief. the alternative historian to cherry pick one phrase and attack go and study it learn the egyptian hieroglyphs the hieroglyphs will tell you what what's in the relief let's let's finish up this point on the on the sphinx and some of the holes and crevices within it that that we've been beating around the bush on right here and then we're going to take a quick break go to the

bathroom and come back and it's going to be a second episode like we're we're we're flowing right here so anyway let's finish this point and then we'll do that there's a long point because there's a lot of entrances to the sphinx let's run through them quickly this will be if you want more detailed you can go back to my youtube channel and you'll link that to check it out so anyway um okay hidden entrances into the sphinx and why is this important because of the hall of records you're familiar with the hall of Records? Yes. The Hall of Records, I'll, so basically, what you have is something known as the Hall of Records. And it was popularized by Edgar Cayce, the sleeping American prophet. Edgar Cayce would lay down, go to sleep, and then come back and

give readings that would be recorded. And he would make predictions. He has all sorts of prophecies. A lot of them didn't line up. But one of the things he said is that there's a hall of records beneath the paws of the Sphinx. And I used to believe it was a possibility. Back in 1996, my friends and I, we were making rap songs about the hall of records under the paws of the Sphinx, you know? But is there actually a Hall of Records under the Sphinx? And this whole idea that was popular, it was popularized by Edgar Cayce, right? Wrong. It actually predates Edgar Cayce, okay? Before Edgar Cayce, you have the first imperator of the Rosicrucian Order, Amorc. That is the ancient mystical order, Rosicrucius, the Rosicrucian Order, Amorc, which is still active today. Their first imperator, Javi Spencer Lewis, published a book, Proprietary Information at first.

Now you can find it publicly. It was produced by and for the Rosicrucians, Symbolic Prophecy of the Sphinx. And within that book, he includes a diagram of what appears to be a temple beneath the Sphinx. He says it came from a Rosicrucian manuscript. Keep in mind, the Rosicrucians were in Egypt very early on. They were there during the time of eminent Egyptologist Salim Husan, who was doing excavations at the Sphinx. Did they get information? Where'd this come from?

There's a lot of controversy around this, Julian, because there's another esoteric author who goes by the pen name El Eros. El Eros. El Eros, yeah. And he had his own Knights Templar organization that he created. And a lot of these Knights Templar organizations, when you actually, I have a film on the, anyway, whatever.

Next episode. Next, another episode. So, yeah, so the Hall of Records, originally the Hall of Mysteries to ellie rose years before the edgar casey prophecy and this this hall and and hidden um temple under the sphinx was published in harvey spencer lewis's book the rose how would how would edgar casey know this well we know because it's marked in the 300s somewhere, we have evidence, proof that he had clients who were Rosicrucians. And Edgar Cayce

was well aware of esoteric literature. So he most likely read Harvey Spencer Lewis's account or had access to the other account, which is Elie Roos. rose ellie rose talked about a hall of mysteries under the sphinx he talked about a whole masonic plan for egypt how did he know he said it was channeled he channeled channeled channeled oh yeah very trustworthy yeah so whenever this channeling involve i would take it with a grain of salt not to say i don't believe that humans have the ability to go within and connect with the divine i'm channeling an 18 inch cock right now what does it look like i don't have it i'm sorry well it takes years of initiation through esoteric traditions right meditations and

i mean there's been some people that have done amazing things paramahansa yogananda would be one who through meditation you know yogananda no oh man you know who steve you have an iphone yeah you know steve jobs is right i know steve jobs as steve jobs memorial service he left one gift behind for his friends and a message self-actualize and that gift was and when he passed when he transitioned into the afterlife there was only one book on his ip in the digital e-book section. That book was Autobiography of a Yogi by Paramahansa Yogananda. I don't remember this. Wow.

I studied Steve Jobs' life like crazy, but I don't remember this. Yeah. Steve Jobs developed the iPhone through meditation. He conceptualized a lot through meditation, and he was a big fan of Yogananda. Yogananda brought Kriya Pranayama Yoga Meditation to the West. He brought what? Yeah. Kriya Pranayama Yoga Meditation to the West. He brought... What? Yeah. Kriya Pranayama Yoga Meditation. Okay.

And so, it's... In short, it's the science of Kriya Yoga. It's a tradition that goes back, you know, Hindu tradition that goes back. And he learned from his mentor, Sri Yukteswar, and before him, Babaji, there's a whole lineage. Anyway, Yogananda came to the East. Um, it was my hometown of Boston, and he traveled to Mexico, he settled in California, where they have today, his organization,

the Self SR, which I'm a member of, Self-Realization Fellowship. If you want to learn the science of Kriya Pranayama Yoga, which is effectively how you channel the inner currents, subtle currents in your body, and work them up through the glands, through different breathing exercises. And breathing, you change your breath,

you change your consciousness. And use that to interact with the glands, which correspond in Eastern tradition to the chakras or chakras, or what the Rosicrucians refer to as psychic centers, which science can't measure. But if there's a whole process, the process is to ultimately channel that energy up to your back,

through your spine, to have what's known as a Kundalini experience. Yes. The serpent goes up the spine. I know that one. You're shaking. You're bringing the energy up to your pineal gland, your third eye. Yeah. But it's not – everybody talks about the third eye.

This is your mystical eye. You close your eyes, you can still see. You can still remember and create, right? That's right. You have inner vision. That's right. Right? So not limited to your sight and your senses.

You also have your hypothalamus and your pituitary gland. And they don't really teach us a lot about these things in school. The glands are so, even in modern science today, like we know a bit, but we don't know everything about the glands. Esoteric traditions, like the Rosicrucians, focus on teaching about the glands because, you know, it was important for the mystical process. Your hypothalamus is what, and your pituitary gland is what's going to effectively help you to achieve, you could say, altered states of consciousness. Also, we have what's known as von Economo neurons. There's a heavy concentration, dense concentration of von Economo neurons named after von economo neurons there's a heavy concentration dense concentration of vanikonamo neurons named after von economo in the front of our head the whole idea is to suppress those neurons

to open up a connection this is gnosis to channel to receive a divine connection it's like your brain is a projector you go into the light of the projector to receive it's not to your brain people will be like oh when you meditate you got to close out the monkey mind chatter. You know, you have to stop. You can never stop thinking, but you can move things around in a way, according to these traditions, to access to,

this is what Indian rishis and yogis have been doing for years. So you got into this because you were saying this dude was channeling by the fucking Pauls. Well, I got into Yogananda because of Steve Jobs, because the whole thing is Steve Jobs channeled.

He wanted everyone to know about Yogananda and his work. Yogananda is in my top three must-read books. Okay. Okay? Autobiography of Yogi changed my life. You might need to suspend some of your imagination in the beginning, but go through the book. The thing that really does it for me is Yogananda died consciously.

When you look into the eyes of Paramahansa Yogananda, when you look into the eyes of George Ivanovich Gurdjieff, you're going to know, you're going to see something and you're going to realize this is a realized individual. There's something different about them. Yogananda would teach Kriya Pranayama yoga and he died conscious. He chose the moment of his death. He said, I am, and before an an audience i'm going to die now dropped died and his body didn't decompose whoa look up paramahansa yogananda all right yeah i'm about to check this out afterwards but who was the guy channeling oh so back to the channeling i'm glad you keep me on track here julian yeah i got to so i'm trying to help you i know you you got to go to the bathroom. My whole point is there's meditative practices, which I find very interesting. I practice meditation.

I saw you doing it right before. Before I did the interview, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I try to make time to meditate every day. If I had it my way and life didn't get in the way, the two things I love most um reading and meditation but if i had to choose one it would be meditation i love to be in a constant state of meditation cosmic bliss connecting with gotcha yeah so anyway um and when i say meditation and yoga yoga i'm not talking about these poses those poses are like uh they're they're for specific currents in your body there's a whole science to it anyway so i was just trying to make a disclaimer that like i don't want to turn people

off and think like oh channeling is fake i will say that i think a vast majority of people that claim to be channeling are faking the funk to sell books get attention maybe they believe it themselves you know you can never tell another person's personal experience so i don't want to judge anyone but i will say that there are a lot of authors who tend to use channeling as evidence for whatever it is they're presenting, like the Emerald Tablets of Thoth. Doriel channeled them. Anyway, so channeling isn't really verifiable. So this guy's channeling isn't, you know, we can't take that as.

Who are we even talking about? Who is channeling? It was the guy. Oh, El Eros. So El Eros channeled this masonic plan and there's some controversy who came first javi spencer lewis's book or elio's we're not exactly certain but it's quite possible that um you know one influenced the other we don't know what certainty but anyway long story short then you get you know fast forward almost a decade you have what

everyone knows is edgar casey he's the one that the Hall of Records, they think, originates with him. It doesn't. It originates with the Rosicrucians and with El Eidos. But Edgar Cayce said there's a Hall of Records under the Sphinx. So it set this big craze off where everyone wanted to go and check beneath the Sphinx. There's been multiple studies where they found cavities around the Sphinx, natural cavities beneath the Sphinx. When Dr. Robert Schock and Thomas Dobeke did the seismic refractionities beneath the Sphinx. When Dr. Robert Shock and Thomas Dobecky did the seismic refraction survey around the Sphinx, they detected a big anomaly north of the Sphinx. And they believe that there's something that appears to look like a chamber.

And this is Shock's interpretation. He says, because it appears to be right angles. And there are supposed to be, or it's believed that there's not any exact right angles in nature although you can find some instances you know but there's not supposed to be angles in nature so the whole idea is well look if this looks like a right angle it must be a subterranean structure which gives credit to uh edgar casey's hall of records i mentioned mark laner earlier he's the foremost egyptologist when it comes to the Sphinx. He did this big study, the official one on the Sphinx. He got into this, like me, he came into this through the alternative side. His parents were a part of the Edgar Cayce organization. In fact, that

organization funded his education to become an actual Egyptologist, archaeologist, so that he could go find this Hall of Records. he did that and after he looked at everything in the sphinx he and he he came to the realization that you know it's not what they say it is and now he's all the way on the other side of the field and he's one of the main proponents with zahi that you know and that's what often happens that's like me i came in through the fascination and the sensationalism but then i wanted to study and dig deeper when you look at the stuff you realize that it's not all you know what it's cracked up to be so uh yeah so that's basically you know that you have a hall of records and so how do you get into that hall of records this is where it opens up you know the entrances how would we get into the hall of records beneath

the sphinx um let's talk about entrances into the Sphinx. There's an entrance between the paws that few people know about. Between the paws of the Sphinx is what's known as the Dream Stealer, which is the work of Thutmose IV. It commemorates him clearing. He went to the Sphinx. He fell asleep or gone to a meditative state by the Sphinx and channeled the Sphinx. The Sphinx spoke to him. This is Egyptian history.

The Sphinx came channel the Sphinx. The Sphinx spoke to him. This is Egyptian history. Uh, the Sphinx came to him in a dream. And you have to be careful whenever they put dream in literal text, because we're not entirely certain what that means, because that could... We could be interpreting it as dream, but it could be altered state of consciousness. It could be a meditative state. And the Sphinx came to him, Horem Akhet,

one of the names of the Sphinx, right? Sphinx has been known by many names throughout history. Horem Akhet, Horus on the Horizon. Seship Unk Atum, Living Image of Atum. Abu Hol, the Terrifying One. Tefnut, Spit of Newt. And recent textual evidence in alternative circles suggests that it may have been Mahit.

Anyway, we know that Thutmose IV was referring to him as Horem Akit, Horus on the Horizon. Because it's in this stela. Stela is a stone that commemorates an experience that has all hieroglyphs, and it references the Sphinx's Horomachet. And so at this time, this is in the new kingdom of Egypt. The Sphinx is already ancient. The Sphinx is supposed to have come into fashion in the old kingdom. This

is the new kingdom, and the Sphinx tells Thutmose, clear away the sand from my paws, because it was up to its neck in sand. Clear away the the sand and you'll have the right to rule over egypt so he did that to legitimize himself he built a wall a temenist wall to prevent more wind and sand from blowing on right so um how how do we know how to get into the sphinx behind that behind this dream steel that's covered up now because the egyptologists have done a cover-up but not intentionally they're trying to preserve it in most cases when they're covering something up it's because they don't want people to go in and fall down get hurt and have a liability or they just haven't finished publishing academic papers on it so it's not ready it's not that they're trying to hide lost technology from the public believe me i know the

egyptologists they wish there was lost technology their Their jobs would be easier. And so Egypt would be further along. It wouldn't be struggling in a developing country, in a sense. So there's this passage beneath the Sphinx. And I had long thought that if there is an entrance to the Hall of Records, it must be between the paws of the Sphinx. You have two paws. two, this is the, you know, rule of thirds. Two flanking, either there's two obelisks or two pylons, which from two paws, where would they be? It would be in the center. And so I was like, but you can't see because the dream steel is there. And they've built up this little structure that has a trap door, an iron trap door that you can go down into.

Well, we can't see what's in there. So if you were to come to Egypt on your own accord and you were to go to the Giza Plateau, have you ever been to Egypt? I was, yeah. Okay. Probably younger with your family or something. I was there when I was 16 for a couple days and when I was 18 for a couple days. So you couldn't really appreciate the deeper esoteric aspects that you will when NXT brings you to Egypt. I thought it was so cool

don't be wrong we went to pyramids i was like wow awesome all right let's go like there was take a picture and i love history but it was at that point in my life i wasn't yet like crazy deep on like ancient history at the time so it was just really cool like wow they built this but i wasn't thinking about all the little details and intricate things of like wait a minute how the fuck did this even happen and now if i went there i'd be like oh you know and you'd know more you'd be more context to so and that's important so i still gotta learn so much i'm such a novice with it but it's so cool it's a lifetime of learning man i've been doing it for two decades i'm still learning you know um if you're to go to egypt on your own accord you can't you didn't go in between the paws of the sphinx because there's

a wall around it it's all monetized now and and in order to go in between the paws of the Sphinx. Because there's a wall around it. It's all monetized now. And in order to go in there, it requires special, very expensive, special permissions permits with the government. And they have to approve it with the Ministry of Antiquities and Tourism. Listen, I'll bring Vinny and Carmine over there. They'll approve that shit real fast. Believe me. We don't need Vinny and Carmine because NXT has relationships from Alexandria to Aswan. And they love me over there.

I was there during the Egyptian Revolution filming. And they actually all love John Anthony West, contrary to popular belief. That's cool. So coming up under him, a lot of people show me a lot of love in Egypt, and they know I live there. Point is, when I do my tours, we get access there. We open a tour up with exclusive private access at dawn before Giza even opens up to the general public. Just my group gets to go. They unlock the doors, let us in, and we get to go in between the paws of the Sphinx. The only thing we can do is go through that trap door that they keep locked to see what's in between the dream stela and the chest of the Sphinx. So I've long thought that it must be like, maybe if there's an

entrance, it would be there, but we can't see because it's covered up. So I took the time to do the research, dug into the archaeological record, and looked at very old accounts. Some of the earliest excavations go back to Giovanni Battista, who was also an esotericist. And he cleared away the Sphinx. And then later, Henry saw the ambassador, it was like an ambassador, British consul.

He boarded up, there's accounts of him blocking it up with stone. So there was something there. So my point is, maybe he blocked it up, and we don't know, but there's an entrance into the Sphinx. So I continued my research. I didn't just stop at the literary texts. I did my anthropology work. I went into the local culture. I started talking to people in the village of Nazat Saman that lived directly across from the Sphinx,

specifically the elders who lived there before Giza was monetized, like my friend Gamal. He used to take people into the Osiris shaft and have people sleep inside the Sphinx before it became monetized, before they put a wall and charged a ticket. And he told me, yeah, there's a, he's like, we call it the heart of the Sphinx.

The heart of the Sphinx? Yeah, we'd go into the Sphinx. I said, so there is an entrance into the Sphinx? The heart of the Sphinx? Yeah, we'd go into the Sphinx. I said, so there is an entrance into the Sphinx. Because often you'll hear Zahi Hawass say, there's no entrances, nothing to see here, move along. He said, yeah, as children, we used to play there. All the children knew about it. We would go into the chest of the Sphinx. I was like, tell me more.

You know, what are the dimensions? He couldn't say. He's like, you know, maybe a few feet or meters. But there's an opening, a cavity that goes into the Sphinx. And what does that tell us? It tells us that, well, we know there's a cavity that goes in. How far does it go in? We don't know.

Could something be covered up that we don't know about and that we're missing that could be a passage into the Hall of Records? My intuition at this point says no. I might have. I was more interested in this before now i i think not so much they know just everything i know even john anthony west told me don't place too much stock in a hall of records under the sphinx even though dr robert shocks survey who is his his colleague his comrade in arms says that there's an anomaly beneath the sphinx which appears to have straight right edges which would signal a chamber right beneath the anomaly beneath the Sphinx, which appears to have straight right edges, which would signal a chamber

right beneath the paws of the Sphinx, like Edgar Cayce said. John Anthony West said, I wouldn't place too much stock. Most of the Cayce predictions didn't turn out to be accurate. And in addition to that, I know that the story of the Hall of Records

is something that Cayce likely adopted from these early esoteric, you know, these secret societies had literature they'd pass around. Cayce likely had awareness of this and that's why he channeled it and it got written down. How do you have somebody, you know,

just a few years before you talking about a hall of mysteries beneath the paws of the Sphinx and suddenly you out of nowhere have this hall of records beneath the paws of the Sphinx? That's right. Yeah, so.

Funky. But one thing that gives it some credibility and why I wanted to conduct the research in the first place is because in the back of the sphinx there's another entrance in the rump we've talked about the rump in the hunch of the sphinx uh when mark there's another wait there's another entrance in what we were looking at up here back there like where the tail is go to the back of the sphinx maybe if let's see if you can pull up rear of the sphinx all right here what we're going to do, because I know we both are about to piss our pants.

We're going to hold this off to the second episode. So we're going to open that up with the rear of the Sphinx with this full explanation. We're going to go through the Emerald Tablets. We're going to go through the Luxor Temple. We're going to go through some secret societies and the Templars. We're going to go through all the good shit. We'll get to the fucking aliens in the second one. But right there, let's pause that for the end of the first episode. So if you haven't subscribed to any XT's channel, the link is in the description below. Please make sure you do that. Fucking awesome stuff, as you can tell. And subscribe to my channel as well. And we'll see you for the next one. Thank you guys for watching the episode. If you haven't already, please hit that subscribe button

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