Julian Dorey Podcast - #282 - Alchemist Reveals Cryptic Secrets of Emerald Tablets & Pyramids | Anyextee

Episode Date: March 11, 2025

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So what what what am I what am I looking at here? What you're looking at Julian is a replica of the emerald tablet. You're looking at the emerald tablet. Well not exactly the emerald tablet because there is no emerald tablet. We don't even know if a physical emerald tablet ever existed in the first place. So what is this? This is... Hey guys if you're not following me on Spotify please hit that follow button and leave a five-star review. They're both a huge, huge help. Thank you. All right, so you and I were just talking about the back of the Sphinx. And you said it's like a secret entrance or something like that? So in the back of the Sphinx, what you said is like a secret entrance or something like that so in the back of the Sphinx the rump in the hunches in fact we could

probably pull this up if you look for just back of the Sphinx or entrance back of the Sphinx what had happened is when Egyptologist Mark Lehner was doing his study on the Sphinx analyzing all of the stones, there was someone from the village, one of the local Egyptians who came up to him and said, right here, he pointed to the stone. He's like, if you move this stone, there's a passage into the Sphinx. Okay.

And so that's exactly what they did. And sure enough, there was a passage into the Sphinx. And so we can see it from probably the image the first image in the second row to the left oh far left second row yeah down one right there click on that and yes now i'm going to need you to zoom into the photo you're going to look at the back see that little hole in the back of the sphinx all the way to the right there agree it's an opening right right right where it's covered up where it says sphinx of egypt all right go back go back to the image and let's see if we could just zoom in off google yeah yeah yeah i see there you go yeah that's it right there oh the one where there's like the

white thing outside of it that's it now how big is that crevice approximately? I forget the dimensions off the top of my head. Could you and I climb into that? Well, I already have. Okay. I probably shouldn't be saying this. Don't worry about it. This is forbidden.

It's too late. But I've been in the Sphinx. All right. So there's an image of me sticking my head out of that, and few have been in there. So basically what you have, if you few have been in there so basically what you have if you were to go if you were to go in there and i could tell you um you know again the egyptologist sayu was there's nothing more to see here there's nothing you know there is an entrance into the sphinx it's this entrance here in the back and what happens is if you were to go down

it goes into a bifurcated shaft it It splits, okay? And it wraps around to the left side. It goes, this is a rough estimation, maybe 15 feet, 20 feet, 15 feet. It's a small area. And then it goes up and in and curves around to the back of the Sphinx where they have the Great Fissure. Remember I said there's a fissure, a defect in the geology that runs through the rump? There's another entrance up there. If you were to pull up an aerial view of the Sphinx, we can look at that entrance as well. And they kind of connect, but now it's all boarded up. But what's in there is a very important piece of geological evidence, because there's a stone in there that was used as a repair and the

egyptologists even zahi hawass and mark laner had a debate on this one zahi says it's old kingdom mark laner says no it's an old kingdom stone being used re-usurped you know as a repair repair job but uh it basically gives us you know information about the geology of the sphinx let me see if you can pull what actually right the one all the way to the left we can use that so a second row i'm sorry go back that one yeah but wait till it turns on its side and we'll pause it or just fast forward it a bit maybe three quarters of the way okay almost there all right pause pause all right full screen that less beautiful excellent okay what are we looking at okay so let's talk about entrances into the sphinx i've talked about the one in the back inside there's an important piece of geological evidence because the whole point

with that is why would they be doing repairs in the old kingdom if the sphinx was fashioned in the old kingdom why why would brand new sculpture why would you need to repair it so alternative historians will say see this is proof that the sphinx is much older john anthony west theory is correct um but what you have to realize is the sphinx was already eroded before they the sphinx has already been subject again i had mentioned how dr robert shock went there and a lot of people have this consensus that all the geologists back dr robert shock when there's, I don't know any geologists that are fully on board with Dr. Robert Shock. I mentioned Colin Reeder. He doesn't entirely agree with Dr. Robert Shock, especially with the dating.

He thinks the Sphinx is only, could be a few hundred years older because we're talking about the inventory stela. Problem with the inventory stela is there's a concept in egyptology known as archaizing and what it is the egyptologists explain it as a way of tying yourself to an earlier lineage or basically trying to rewrite or revise history so the inventory stela is actually a very late egyptian it's very late in the e civilization, around 26th dynasty, I think, if I recall. This is, you know, old kingdom, then you have intermediate periods in between, you have old kingdom, middle kingdom, new kingdom, then late periods, then Greek and Roman. So, it's a very late text, I think, from the Syed period, 26th dynasty, if I recall. And what

they're doing, and this isn't uncommon, they're referencing, you know, the past, and they're trying to write themselves into the story to prove that they have this lineage. So, Egyptologists call this archaizing, and they don't take the historical aspect as serious because they know that this sort of rewriting of history, which is happening now with alternative history, was already happening during ancient Egyptian times. And so, but that's one piece of evidence. One thing to keep in mind, there are multiple Khufus. There was a magician Khufu. Other people probably took on the name of Khufu. So we don't know if it's actual Khufu from the pyramid. You know, we don't know if it's their account of the story. It's not exactly a document from earliest times. So Egyptologists dismissed the

inventory stealer. but what Colin reader observed it has more to do with the geological features and how the rain comes down there's a causeway that leads to the second pyramid the causeway that leads to the second pyramid may be the oldest aspect of the Giza complex older than the pyramids how do we know that we don't with certainty but yeah but it's probably could have even been in all it have even been an old pathway or road that goes back into pre-dynastic times when you had what are known as the Buto Mari. You have these indigenous cultures. Another thing I often hear people throw around the term, commissions.

This is all new. This is all invented by author Stephen Mailer, a chemitology. And throw out Egyptology and come follow my cult, the Kemet school. And the ancient Egyptians, pre-dynastic Egyptians were known as the Kemetians. I've heard Bright Insight, Jimmy Corsetti, repeat this on the Joe Rogan podcast. That is a new term that's been invented. We know there were people in Egypt before the dynastic Egyptians, no Kemetians. We have the Butoh and the mari and then their cultures that come together and they form the butoh mari why is jimmy saying that then because he doesn't know the real history

and he's just repeating what is he what is he basing it off of the echo chamber of chemitology so jimmy went on on a on a trip i mean i can't speak for jimmy but my observation is jimmy went as a tourist to egypt went with the chememet School, learned from the Kemet School. Kemet School proposed alternative ideas. It was founded on the teachings of Hakeem Ayawan, who was in the film Pyramid Code. My mentor, John Anthony West, was also in the film. This is why the whole debate between me and D-Dunking Dan broke out on Twitter, because they're both on Rogan recently, they're both on Rogan recently, and Jimmy states on Rogan that John Anthony West was mentored by Hakeem and he learned everything he knew about ancient Kemet from Hakeem. And that's the furthest thing from the truth.

It is. John was never a fan of Hakeem or Kemetology or the Kemet School. In fact, these people had invited me to film a biopic covering covering the history a documentary on hakim ayawan and the kemet school teachings because they knew i knew the material years before jimmy was even a youtuber i was already going to their lectures i went through egypt with them i read all the books i knew everything there is you can possibly find that was published on hakim and kemet school teachings and i told john at the time he was still alive i said hey i want to you know the kemet school is inviting me to do this documentary.

I've been working with them. And he was like, pure lunacy. He's like, you know, Mailer, Hakeem, he was not a fan. And part of it is, you know, they try to say that the Sphinx is older than what Wes says because this author, Stephen Mailer, is saying Hakeem said, it's hearsay. Hakeem said the Sphinx could be 40 to

60,000 years old, which is different than John's theory. He has to push it back a little bit, because he was writing a book, and everyone needs an older date to make the book more exciting. And so they do tours, and Jimmy went on tour with them, and he's got a Kemet school education of Egypt. Between that and studying Brian Forster videos, Brian Forster tours with Kemet school, and Uncharted, they all go through the same company company i'm one of the only ones that i have my own company and i operate independently of all of that in egypt uh and so jimmy is claiming that he learns this from chemist school that the ancient egyptians were commissions uh no what we understand in in academic egyptology is there were people in egypt before the dynastic egyptians you got the nakata culture you got the badarians you've got the buto the mari the

buto mari these are the indigenous peoples of egypt before the dynastic civilization begins and specifically around the giza area you have the butoadi which actually have ties into the levant up turkey jordan um you know that whole area which i think is actually responsible for influencing the megalithic architecture we see in egypt because there was a fusion and we know there was trade and right from the earliest times that there's there's a connection anyway uh he uses the term commission and that's incorrect there were no commissions and i had brought that up on twitter i was like uh well mainly he mentioned that john anthony west was mentored by hakeem this isn't true it's the furthest thing from the truth that john would be

rolling in his grave if he wasn't cremated maybe the ashes are rolling he was not down with the ideas proposed by chemist school he didn't see it as a verifiable source so um you know when i brought this up to jimmy on twitter and dunking dan jumped in they both started attacking me and then they tried to defame me and say that i'm not even connected to john anthony west um and that he learned from hakeem and that jimmy bright insight says well this is proof of this in the pyramid code documentary john anthony west admits it himself i challenge any of you viewers to go and look up the pyramid code it's on youtube for free it might be on netflix or amazon go look up the pyramid code watch the pyramid code documentary there's like maybe three or four segments with john anthony west and tell me if anywhere in that film

john anthony west says that he learned everything he learned about Egypt from Hakeem and that Hakeem was his mentor. Because that's what Jimmy's saying. And that's not true. So, I brought this up because we were talking about John's teachings in the Sphinx, the water erosion theory. And we were talking about the entrance in the back and how Mark Lehner relied on a local Egyptian. Now, this is a guy that has studied the Sphinx stone by stone, knew it inside out, published a paper, started writing about it, and then lo and behold, there was something there that the eyes couldn't see. No single set of eyes could see at all. You have someone who grew up and lived there who remembered from the early 20th century when the excavations were taking place and the restoration work by Emil Barres, one of the

local villagers, because they would carry baskets back and forth, he remembered that there was a passage there that got blocked up. You good? He remembered that there was a passage there that got blocked up. So when the Egyptologists actually went and removed the stone, sure enough, there's the passage. And that's what I was talking about has the geological evidence in it. But in addition to that, it wraps around and there's an opening in the back of the Sphinx. So if we look to where you see where the paws are in the lower right and behind. This video is sponsored by our friends at Aura.

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The step-looking thing, exactly. That's where the fissure is. Gotcha. I was saying that, yes, the stair-step-looking thing, that's a general area where the fissure runs through the back of the Sphinx. And there's an entrance, a cavity. It's not man-made, thing that's a general area where the fissure runs through the back of the sphinx and there's an entrance a cavity it's not man-made but there's a cat i mean it might have been you know fashioned a bit by man over time carved down a little but there's a cavity that goes into the sphinx and it wraps all the way around the right side of the sphinx and goes to that entrance in the back in fact there's early accounts where people thought one of the

pharaohs amasis was buried in there they think it's a secret chamber another one is at the top of the head of the sphinx you see how there's like a white circle at the top of the pharaohs, Amasis, was buried in there. They think it's a secret chamber. Another one is at the top of the head of the Sphinx. You see how there's like a white circle at the top of the head? This is what I was referencing earlier. With the crown. Yeah, there's all four. It's probably some sort of crown or some sort of attainment,

something that would have went on the head of the Sphinx. We have a precedence for this. You can see evidence of this in the Luxor Museum where you have a small scale down sphinx of tut and he has the crown and it's basically like a lego piece it snaps into place crown is missing um but people think that there's a way into the sphinx is through the head that there's a there was a illustration that came out that shows a passage leading from the head down into these chambers inside the body of the Sphinx.

This is because of the work of, I'm drawing a blank, Reisner, George Reisner. He was an Egyptologist from Harvard that did expeditions and excavations at the Sphinx. In fact, he's part of the reason for attributing the Sphinx to Khafre, because, I'm sorry, and the pyramids to Khufu, the Great Pyramid to Khufu, because he did a lot of the excavations around the pyramids, where you have the three satellite, or they call them Queen's Pyramids, Hanut Sun, and, you know, the relatives of Khufu, the wife, and so forth. And so George Reisner, there was someone that said they got an account from george reisner and they reported in a paper that he's saying that they found uh you know inside the head of the sphinx leading down into

an actual like chamber a temple inside the sphinx that never happened it was proven to be a fault so you'll see images of this on the internet you'll see people use this image in youtube videos but the whole thing is it's it's a hoax it's already been dismantled if you dig into a youtube video with a hoax that would never happen no it's all true it's on youtube it must be real it's all real yeah so uh we know that it goes down about six feet or so how do we know actually if if you might be able to find if you google man inside head of sphinx or hole in head of Sphinx, man. Yeah, you know what? It's an old vintage photo. I googled this in episode 154, I believe. Or 153 with Matt LaCroix. Maybe like two hours in. Oh, what was he saying?

An hour and a half in. Where we could... I'm pretty sure it was within the episode. If it was, it would have been at like the 1.30 time stamp. Something like that. But you can see it. Where there's literally like his head scroll down a little bit you might see the old photo of the man standing inside oh yeah there

it is to the left on the bottom that one click on that yes this is before they filled it with cement that's the head of the sphinx that he so you know he's probably who knows he's maybe five feet so actually we're probably looking about four to five feet of depth we can't say with certainty but then that was filled up with cement and they cemented early 1920s 30s i'm not they do i might be misquoting the date i've checked my notes it was the emile barres he's french egyptologist yeah why did they do that did a lot of disservices sphinx they thought they were doing restorations and repairs by filling in things with concrete but no the fuck they weren't. Exactly. And even, you know, people criticize Zahi Hawass, but even Zahi says that that was a bad move, you know, because it actually is destroying the Sphinx. But anyway, they filled it up.

And so, you know, people will use that. The other thing is the side profile of the Sphinx. If the image all the way to the bottom right. Oh, yeah. See that? On the side of the ear. Yep. Click on that. one yep perfect just

beneath the ear ear there's this little square window looking thing right oh yeah and there's an arrow right there a big red arrow it's probably a bright insight video and if you click on it it's probably somebody suggesting i'd guarantee you click on somebody suggests it's a hidden entrance what's it say well they're just asking the question pause it all right yeah yes oh stargate voyager all right pause that a less because it might be all right so what's that under the ear of the sphinx yeah so stargate voyager this is d olsen suggesting that what is this what's under the sphinx a lot of people will try to use that to say oh there's an entrance into the sphinx it's where man bear break is yeah you would enter the sphinx under its ear a secret location which is very unusual

It's not it's not an entrance How do you know it's not an entry because it was for the royal beard. It's where the beard would have been attached How do I know this well because the beard broke off and because we can see from the preponderance of evidence of other artifacts That you know fashioned in the same way This is you you see examples of, like the hole in the head or different openings where things would attach in Egypt. So we know that the Sphinx originally had what's known as a royal beard, which is something the pharaohs would wear. You'd see the beards on a pharaoh. It wasn't an actual beard. It was regalia that they would put on.

And the Sphinx is supposed to be the pharaoh merged with the lion body. It's the solar principle of man. Esoterically, it's the consciousness of man fused with the solar principle. It's man's ability to partake in the divine. It's a message for us. It's what's known as the Androsphinx. Interesting. Anyway, yeah, that's the attachment that would attach for the beard. The beard broke off. We do have pieces of it. There's pieces of it in the Cairo Museum and the British Museum. So that's not an entrance. It was just the attachment for the beard. The hole in the head is not an entrance. It was used for a peg, which probably had a crown. The hole in the rump is a natural geological fissure. The hole in the back is later, is probably looters. You know, people have been trying to get it, had these

ideas all along in ancient times. And you can see all the chisel marks where they burrowed their way through the limestone. And then there's another small opening right behind the neck on the back of the Sphinx. It's hard to see sometimes. We call this Pering's Hole. John Shea Pering, who along with Howard Weiss, were early English explorers in Egypt. Howard Weiss did a lot of excavations in Egypt back then. The methods that they used back then, like for example, they would use dynamite to blow things up.

And that's what happened. And actually, Zahi Hawass later went and pulled out the tools years later. Anyway, we call that perring's hole because there's a little hole in the back none of these lead really anywhere i mean they do the the in the rump it does go somewhere it goes into the left and up and around then on the right side the northern side of the sphinx if you were to look at a northern profile shot of the sphinx you'll see where it looks like there used to be an entrance and there was um in fact we found old photographs of two men standing inside like the stomach of the sphinx

on the side and zahi says and i have this in the video i have on the documentary video sphinx origins and hidden entrances on my youtube channel the clip with zahi where he says in description below where zahi hawass, the Egyptologist, says that they have the images of people inside, and that there was an opening, and that they patched it up, but before they patched it up, he took the wall down and went back inside. Problem is, we have nothing published

about this in Egyptology, so we don't know how far in that entrance goes. We don't know how wide it is, how tall it is, we don't know in dimensions. All we have is Zahi saying, move along, nothing to see here. And he could be right. It may not go anywhere. It may just be a natural cavity.

But just looking at it by the surface, we don't always, you know, we can make assumptions we can't say with certainty. It might, you know, with a closer eye, like in the back of the Sphinx. Mark Lehner was finished with his work, and then lo and behold, somebody comes and is like, remove this stone, and there's's a passage and a whole new world opens up for them you know they actually went in and retrieved stuff but it was more it was i think mark laner pulled out a pair of shoes and stuff so who oh laner laner mark laner so we know people have been there in more recent times and we know people have been in there anyway because the locals were going in and out of

there people go sleep inside the sphinx back in the day. Locals, dragomen would take tourists around and pay to sleep in the Sphinx. And then at some point, this kind of ivory tower narrative starts where, you know, the people in control control the access and slowly take away transparency in doing it. Make stupid things happen to the Sphinx,

like putting concrete in holes, and leads to everyone saying, well, are they covering up? And I get why those conversations start, because of that. Well, I don't think, like, you know, I don't think Emil Barres was trying to cover up the truth. I think in his mind,

he thought he was restoring the Sphinx by adding concrete to hold things together. His intention was different than what the execution looked like yeah exactly and then even you know like the back of the sphinx bricking it up i think that's just restoration at some point they came along and they're like well we know this this cavity only goes so far we don't need access let's let's cover it up and brick it up you know um and that's that's what they did you know i don't think it was intentionally to hide some mysterious thing.

You'll always see images of Zahi in there. I've been inside, you know, and I was fortunate because I was part of a film, actually, where they brought me in to play the counter role against Zahi because my mentor was John Anthony West. It was a film by Ruud Gillett. I don't know if you know Ruud Gillett. He's a footballer.

I don't think so. Really, soccer. We say football in America, but we say soccer in America, but in the UK, he's from the Netherlands. He was famous in the 90s. He had dreadlocks. They called him the Black Tulip. And he, yeah, and he was, everybody in Europe knows who Ruud Giller is.

And he did a big documentary on Prime a couple of years ago, Amazon Prime, exploring the um you know ancient egypt and they had me in the season um the the last episode finale where they're basically pitting me against zahi hawass and i go over all the evidence for the cavities inside the sphinx um very cool yeah so there are as far as we know this is it there are no actual evidence you know there's no actual entrances besides the entrances we pointed out, which most of them are natural cavities, defects, or looters trying to borrow their way in. But I've been inside the Sphinx. I've seen every nook and cranny with the exception. I can't say I've been in the chest of the Sphinx, but I have accounts from others.

Now, hey, there might be some stone in there that could get moved and there's a passage. Probably not. Because the core of the Sphinx wouldn't be masonry. It would be the natural rock formation. So I'd like to think the Egyptologist and Mark Lehner surveyed this really well and were able to determine there's nothing more. You know, years ago, I would have been like,

you need more eyes on that. We need to get in there. There could be an entrance. I'm at a point now where I don't believe that's the case. One problem, though, with the ivory towers in Egyptology, like I said, on the side, Zahi's never published anything about what they found inside the Sphinx. And that would the case. One problem, though, with the ivory towers in Egyptology, like I said on the side, Zahi's never published anything about what they found inside the Sphinx, and that would be important. Let's know about dimensions. Let's know about, you know, all the information we can

gather, and this is a big problem in Egyptology that a lot of publications on these sites are scant. Now, while there's tombs and tombs and lexicons of plethora of stuff written on Egyptology, when it comes to actual archaeology, there's only a handful of papers that have been written about the Bent Pyramid before they reopened it. Or there's absolutely nothing published about his findings. He'll just say there's nothing to see here. But, okay, I want to know, what are the dimensions? What's the rock type? Could we be missing something that could lead further into the Sphinx? Maybe. Probably not not but maybe you know so it's crazy because we'll still be peeling this all away 50 years from now and still asking a lot of the same questions new ones that come up and we're

talking about things that as the years go on just gets thousands and thousands of years older i would like to think within the next 50 years, we are going to develop, we're going to broaden our understanding and develop new perspectives because of technology. I hope you're right. Because technology is rapidly growing and we're starting to see things now that we can't. Good example of this is a discovery

that I just recently made in Peru. I just returned from month to month touring, Peru, Bolivia, Easter Island, Egypt, Jordan, Turkey, Egypt again, and then just came back home for a few days and here I am. When we were in Peru, Bolivia, Easter Island, Egypt, Jordan, Turkey, Egypt again, and then just came back home for a few days. And here I am. When we were in Peru, we brought with us a state of the art UV camera, one of these really expensive UV cameras. And we were trying to look at the rocks, the stone type, because there's something going on in Peru. It's a great mystery with the polygonal stone walls, how they were put together and how they were fashioned.

Polygonal stone walls? Polygonal, polygonal, polygonal. Basically, they have multiple, you know, there's like multi-sided stone. Pull up P-O-L-Y-G-O-N. Polygonal. Polygonal Masonry Peru. Yeah. Polygonal Masonry Peru.

P-O-L-Y-G... Wait, no, I can't do it. P-O-L-Y-G-O... Any of these. Close enough, yeah. This is polygonal masonry. Perfect. I think this is Sacsaywaman, is it?

Where is this? Curious Castle? I can't see. Horatio's Philanthropy. There's a bunch. All the masonry looks like this. Yeah, so it could be something else. But you see, it's just not square blocks. There's a bunch, all the masonry looks like this, yeah, so it could be something else. But you see, it's just not square

blocks, it's different shapes. And some of them are very unusual. And so, in fact, a lot of them, we couldn't understand it at first, because I, you know, I brought some guys with me that are, you know, architects and engineers, and we're looking at this and we're like,

you know, some of this stuff isn't necessarily intended to be earthquake-proof. Some of it we're like, you know, some of this stuff isn't necessarily intended to be earthquake proof. Some of it we can say, but other examples where little pieces of stone interlock together, it makes absolutely no sense. Until you step back and apply an esoteric lens and start to look in the symbolism of the stone. The stone has a language itself. A lot of it is shapes. I started to realize that there was a flower pattern in many of the walls where you have a center and you have individual stones making up the petals and then i came to

find out they actually know about this already and the locals were pointing out there's actually even a poster there in cusco where they have the serpent and um you know different animals so the stones are they're put together in a way to symbolize different um fauna and you know flower and animals and vegetation okay but the shapes themselves are very unusual and when you look at it you know how a lot of it is andesite rock and you're like how did they actually get these cuts and how did they not only get the cuts what's mind-boggling is how they put the stone together in the first place to lock everything together and so there are accounts um early accounts of the spanish uh the early explorers in the meso uh south america that are

referencing like cortez and all them cortez yeah after the yeah not not not cortez specifically um but yes exactly when people are coming into mesoamerica i forget i forget the actual explorer i'd have to look it up in my notes but basically there's an account where they're saying the indigenous people the um you know the people of the andes that were there were had some sort of way of shapening the stone right whether it was through some sort of chemical composition or some natural ingredient that we're on. This is still a big mystery for people. You know, the alternative space is a lot of different theories, but how they actually shaped the andesites. First, you got to move these things from the quarry, which is an amazing feat. To me, Sacsaywaman is more mind-blowing than

anything in Egypt. I love Egypt. There's amazing mysteries in Egypt. You've got giant megalithic stones. But when I finally got to Sacsaywuman and i came face to face with the stones i was blown away first how they had to move them there then how they had to get them into place um and then the shapes themselves so there's a whole you know mystery how did they move them there that's a good question i don't know with certainty but what i do know is in other civilizations you know like with egypt a lot of times they would use rollers, wooden rollers, and we can see, we have evidence in Egypt. This has been a mystery for a while, or allegedly, you know, alternative circles will say, how did they move the stones? It's not so much how they move the stones horizontally. That isn't a mystery.

There's plenty of sufficient theories that show how they did it. In addition to that, there's textual evidence. If you go to the El Bahari, the temple of Hatshepsut in Luxor, in the lower tier of her temple, right in the front in a relief, we have a full description with hieroglyphs of how her genius architect and lover, Senemut, moved the obelisk from the Aswan quarry, you know, some 300, I don't know the exact, you know, it's like four or 500 miles from Giza to the Aswan Quarry. Luxor is in the middle, so maybe some 300 miles. How they moved it, and they did it, you know, they did it, they used the Nile River, and they brought the stones down.

So actually extracting it out of the, we don't know with certainty, but there's a lot of theories that are reasonable to conjecture. And then we know the different techniques they used to move it. We can see them actually moving it on the walls right and this this is uh you know a lot of people use lost civilizations and what's known as inheritance theory the idea that loss uh technology theory the idea that the tools are so advanced the tool marks are so advanced in egypt the egyptians didn't have this in the egyptological record how could they have done this therefore it couldn't be the egyptians it must be a product of a lost civilization and then the egyptians just came along and inherited all this stuff the egyptians How could they have done this? Therefore, it couldn't be the Egyptians. It must be a product of a lost civilization.

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Instacart. Groceries that over-deliver. One, the hieroglyphs are not crude graffiti. They're hieroglyphs, divine incisions. They're actually intended to be magical by the priests and be indelible. Anyway, so we have accounts even at Saqqara in Egypt, the Saqqara necropolis right next to the deeply mysterious Serapium, which we can talk about too, the Serapium or Serapium. Right next to it is the tomb of Ti or Tai. And inside that tomb, we have evidence and relief of them pulling giant seated statues. And it looks like they're

slicking. It looks like they're slicking the pathway using something, some salts or something, some sort of it. I don't know. I don't know what the actual process is, but to move it along. But we see the Egyptians actually moving the statues. And there's plenty of theories that are sufficient for moving it. The big one that stands out is how they lifted a lot of megalithic stone. That one, I don't feel confident that I have an answer for that. And to be fair, Egyptologists, they try to explain a lot of things, but they'll often be very careful with their language and admit. This is a big problem.

The Egyptologists admit to gaps in our knowledge. The alternative circles make it seem like all Egyptology is so definitive. That's not true. Papers go through peer review processes. Not all Egyptologists are aligned. You know, they have different ideas and theories that they're trying to work out, and they know that we have gaps in our knowledge. Big ones being, we don't know exactly how the Egyptians polished stone. We don't know yet exactly how the pyramids were built we there's a lot of great theories out there you know houdin uh you know there's a lot of theories not all there's not one theory i think that takes the cake but there's some really good ones and i would say that if anybody's going to

figure it out it would be doug over at history for granite youtube channel he's his his mind he is incredible if you really want to go like i'm i'm a deep researcher and i'm an esoteric researcher but i i have a broad i have a lot of different interests history for granite youtube channel is focused specifically on old kingdom pyramids and architecture mysteries he knows the pyramids better than anyone stone by stone better than some Egyptologist even history for granted we pull it up give him a shot I brought him to Egypt for the first time you know last year I know him yeah history for granted YouTube channel and he does like

all pyramid stuff all focuses on the pyramid so if you really want an intense education about Old Kingdom pyramids in Egypt, he's your guy. And if anyone's going to figure out how they were built, it's him. He sent me out there recently on a mission to take photographs of every single stone of the south side of the Bent Pyramid because he's going to put it all together for a presentation. Yeah, this is history for granted. Highly recommended. Let's throw him a subscribe while we're at it so I can check this out later thank you elise okay this is your guy yeah if you're looking at it too but yeah so i mean he's done some really groundbreaking work um so in

addition uh where were we what were we even talking about now we were talking about that moving how they were moving yeah so there's a lot of mystery in moving it maybe lifting it there's some is this some ideas for it. I'm not going to say we don't know it's certainty. The polishing. The stones in Peruta, we don't know exactly how they were fashioned, you know, and the site. And so some people think that they were, like, vitrificated, like that they were shaping somehow, right? And there's different theories on this.

There is an account that talks about being an eyewitness account to the indigenous people of the area using some sort of substance. I think they even referred to it as a red or pink. And so when I first got to Peru, which is just recently, because I've been studying Egypt and Mexico and Turkey, and now I'm starting to look more into South America. When I first got there, I was blown away because you can actually, we detailed and documented, we could see what looked like the presence of a pink or reddish, almost like a gypsum along the stone. It almost looked like it was part of the stone. And we brought with us the technology, UV lights. We went back at night to try to get a closer look.

I haven't published any of this yet. I'm going to be publishing the results on my YouTube channel hopefully soon. We looked into the cracks of the stone and we could see some of this inside. Is this part of the substance that they use to shape stone? We don't know. It is still one of the great mysteries. And I can't tell you, I have an answer for it,

but what we did find, my whole reason for this was saying that technology is going to change the landscape. I often talk about looking at things through an esoteric lens to take on a new perspective, to develop a wider understanding of something. But by technology we can also develop new perspectives so we have the state-of-the-art you know uv light that we brought to maru maru which is a site that has like a niche in the wall like an entrance everybody a lot of people say it's a portal

and they go through the portal people go there meditate and stuff you can see it with your eyes it's absolutely amazing. We got up close, but we went at nighttime. We had a shaman ceremony. We had local shaman with us. We set up for our group. And then we decided to go take a close look at the wall with the UV. And that's when we noticed handprints that have never been documented, never talked about.

Why? Because you can't see them with the human eye. We needed technology to see these handprints right and so i can't say much more about that right now we're still looking into it it could be modern handprints we don't know it could be ancient paint because that's not uncommon in the yucatan with the maya going back before the maya civilization at the cave of lul tune you have all these handprints what years are we talking for that like there's something to go back like 10 000 years maybe even more than 10 000 years the cave l'altun has a very long history in maya times they used it you know after that heinous crime where a friar diego de lander

burned all the mayan codices not all of them but the majority of what was left burned all the maya books the astronomical knowledge their you know their math their left burned all the maya books the astronomical knowledge their you know their math their medicine burned all the books and was trying to convert everyone um you know to their faith after they oppressed these indigenous people yeah and they would specifically hunt down the shaman and they would try to get the the sons of the elite in the shaman and then they would try to reform them and indoctrinate them they would make them cut their hair they would put them through schools um and try to re-educate them through the lens of Christianity. And so a lot of shaman were rebellious. There was actually a war, there was a couple of wars, and they were running away

from this. The shaman were running and seeking refuge in the caves. So they would go into Lultun Cave, and there's evidence of them there. But there's evidence of people way before them with the handprints. And even the Maya used handprints themselves, because you could go to the ancient archaeological site of Uxmal in the Yucatan, and you can see like the red print on the walls on Maya structures. So I don't know, is this handprint ancient? We don't know yet. We're still trying to wrap our heads around that and do the research. But what I am saying is that no one's ever talked about this and no one knows because you can't see it without technology and had we not used technology we wouldn't know it was there and this is just a small example you know what about like going back to some of the egypt stuff though like with lidar technology i'm just throwing out one random example right now where it is isn't there so much more we can now learn if we're given access to be able to do it on on these places like you were talking about technology making big moves in the next 50 years some of it seems like it's here for us to get answers to this but there's still like a blockage of like

who's allowed to use what where there is some of that that's true that exists but there's also uh there's also a lot that's been done people like they need to scan the giza plateau they've already scanned it rami ramani they i think did it for like a tv show they've already done like a scan that has been ground penetrating radar there's different there's tomography techniques uh one that's being used right or was recently used on mencare the smallest pyramid the runt and they did it on the east is when i was living in i just moved back to the states earlier this year when i was living in egypt one day i went to the States earlier this year. When I was living in Egypt, one day I went to the Giza Plateau.

You were living near the Luxor. I was living in Luxor, but I would go to Giza. I'd go to Aswan. So I was in Giza one day, and I noticed that they were doing all of the electrical tomography. They put all these little sensors on the pyramid. And it was the Scam Pyramids Project.

I was like, Scam Pyramids Project? They were like, yeah. I was like, you're looking for the hidden entrance? They're like, maybe. And that's all they could say. What's the hidden entrance? A colleague of mine, Stein Vandenhoven, proposed several years ago that there may be a hidden entrance

on the east side of the Menkaure Pyramid. He presented this before eminent Egyptologist Bob Breyer. He's the guy that does the whole series of ancient history on the Great Courses. A lot of people turn to him that does the whole series of ancient history on the great courses a lot of people turn to him to get the whole history of egypt um so but i know we're talking about luke for luke's study bob brow he's right so bob's a well-known egyptologist luke by the way luke was just in here and did like let's see what was it like six hours and 15 minutes straight of like

the 27 000 year history of Egypt. And it was fucking incredible, bro. Like he was here a, uh, over a year before that. Right. And he had done a great job, but one of, we did two episodes then too. One of them was all South America. Another one was all Egypt. And what I love about Luke is he's such a humble student of the game. Like he felt like there were things on Egypt. He's like, fuck, I haven't brushed up on this in a while. So as you know, like he went deep on that over the last year and a half went to egypt spent a lot of time there whatever and bro it was yeah that's the thing and i i appreciate that i watched that first podcast there were a couple little things about the pyramids he got wrong but he was just

you know he was more immersed in maya studies he was just kind of getting more into egypt now he's had the opportunity to go there he just incredible we're going we're actually we're we're co-leading a tour together this January. Me and Luke are doing the Secrets of the Sands tour. And then in September, I have my annual signature

Esoteric Egypt tour. Very cool. Over at AdeptExpeditions.com. Anyway. We'll have that link in the description. Remind me to put that there. So, yeah,

and please feel free to join us. Yeah, so we'll be going back together. But I can really appreciate that, that he could take his time to learn more come back and then give you the history yeah bro bob briars laid it out on the great courses so you can find his work there um and so what he said he went on facebook and he was like you know i something to the extent of i have been subject to many theories about the pyramids. Some of them, some interesting stuff,

reasonable to conjecture, many of them not so much. But this one I feel has legs. The idea there may be an entrance, a hidden entrance on the east wall, or a little cache or something on the east wall of the Menkaure Pyramid. The reason for this, my colleague observed how there's like a little opening. It looks like somebody was trying to pry their way in through the stones that are there now, looked back at some old photos, pieced the whole thing together, wanted me to go there because I was living in Egypt,

wanted me to go there to film the whole course of stones from the north side where we have an entrance today and follow it around to the east side to see if it lines up. We think that happened during early arab occupation where they were trying to borrow their way in because they thought there might have been an entry because approximately when oh well this would have been could have happened anywhere but i would say this we know that the um caliph of cairo who was that the 8th century 9th century 9th century caliph of cairo in between 8 90 so in the 6 7 8 900 a.d in that area right um because that's when they were

breaching the pyramids that's when we information starts coming out through arabic sources about for the first time about the internal layout you know of these pyramids because they're going into them in some cases they like the uh the entrance you go into the great pyramid today if you go there as a tourist and you buy the ticket to go into the Great Pyramid, you're not going through the original entrance the way the Egyptians intended it. You're going through the man-made tunnel that Al-Mamun and his men made trying to find a way in, because originally, obviously, it probably wasn't uh visible I don't know why or how at the time there are the original entrance above it there are accounts by strabo strabo refers to a door that had a swivel that you could just like touch with a finger a hand and kind of like if you've ever been to Edward Lee scallons Coral Castle in Florida used to be called Rock Gate Park you know about Coral Castle no giant megalithic coral stones this little frail old guy comes from Latvia, goes to Canada. Yeah, tuberculosis, sick, old, sick, frail man builds giant megalithic coral structure,

all based on principles of magnetism right here in America. It was a mystery how he did it. And when asked, he said, I use the secret of the ancient Egyptians. Never said what the secret was, took it to his grave. People suspected that he was a Mason, had Masonic knowledge. I researched that, looked into it. I went to his grave where he's buried in the cemetery is not in the masonic section that doesn't necessarily vote him out as a mason but it's less likely anyway he's undercover in the afterlife he was a big inspiration for me early on i studied coral i went there numerous times anyway it's a phenomenal place and it used to be called rock gate park and he has this giant rock that you could you know it's a rock gate that you could push with like your finger and the giant megalithic stone swivels and you go through.

Strabo said the Great Pyramid had one of those, you know, and for whatever reasons, they didn't use the main entrance. Perhaps it wasn't visible or whatever the deal was, Al-Mamun borrowed his way through. That's on the Great Pyramid. So we're thinking on the, you know, on the small pyramid, Menkaure, that if where the entrance is today, if you follow it along that course, and that's, it's hard to make out because the northeast corner has so much dilapidated stone, I couldn't give an accurate readout of what's going on. Anyway, long story short, he's already published papers about this, the possible hidden entrance on the east side he contacted scan pyramids project let them know about it and as a result that's they were there they're i can't say that's why they were scanning it but i talked to the guys and

they're like maybe well we found out something recently a lot of people mock this actually a lot of people in the alternative space laughed about the idea of the hidden entrance on the east side of the Makare Pyramid, and they could be right. But something new has unfolded. Just recently, in the last couple of years, at a small lecture with Z fellow researcher, who then went to ScanPyramids project and said, hey, did you guys find something? Now, they're very slow to publish everything. You're going to hear about it. You're hearing about it right now in a Julian Dory podcast. It's getting an exclusive exclusive. It's unofficial. The Egyptian authorities haven't published it yet.

But eventually they're probably going to get around to announcing the result. Scan of scam pyramids project will eventually hopefully produce the results of what's on the east side it could just be a cavity it could be a cache it could be a void we don't know but there was reason to speculate just because of the arrangement layout of the temple um that there may be a hidden entrance on the east side and so i think uh he's been in talks with the scam pyramids project and they said a paper has already been published it's behind the ivory towers it's in the ivory towers they're doing the peer review process now well you know they don't want a bunch of youtubers to jump out the gate and stop making yeah and also let me see it from their perspective

for a minute it's just there's going to be people who are economically incentivized on YouTube and other places to automatically not only disagree with it but say the opposite is true before it even gets legs. So it's like the action and reaction thing all over again. I get that. It's just I wish we could have a better process where – and this is asking too much – but where, say, you had peer review in the public forum, you know, where you do, I don't know, have these fucking guys go on Joe Rogan and do it. Twitter, it's Joe Rogan. It's something, yes.

It's Julian Dory. You know what I mean? Sure. But, like, we've got to figure out how to do that in the future. But I'm sorry. Please continue. No, I mean, well, that's basically it. And they reported to him that it's in the works.

They did find something, and they're discussing it. All right? And so this is something I was talking about years ago you know it's hopefully it's gonna come to fruition soon and this will be a pretty big deal if it is i can't say what certainty it is but what evidence suggests because we're kind of beating around the bush here of the pyramids and stuff we talked a lot about the sphinx and we're talking about how they move some of these structures and stuff like that you know i always ask people this because there's all different theories. We were talking about some in the last episode as well, which you're more than welcome to bring up again if you'd like to,

if it's relevant. But what do you think the pyramids are? Pyramids. But what purpose do they serve? Were they built to serve? You don't know. We're told, or our general understanding is that the pyramids are tombs. Right. I personally don't think tomb is a good way to describe a pyramid. Why not? In the context of ancient Egypt. Because it's not exactly a tomb. And you know, what is a tomb?

Who gets to define exactly what a tomb is? I would say that it has something more. I do believe that, I don't think there's a human on this planet right now that can tell you exactly what the phone there's plenty of alternative guys egyptologists will say oh we can it's a tomb and there's others you know alternative guys have all sort of ideas giza power plants chemical plant this that astronomical clock and it could be components you know to the geometries proportions and or being like a because there is a solar event that takes place at giza right um you have the equinoxes and and the solstice and there's an

alignment where the sun actually sets in between the two pyramids almost perfectly and then it rises again so we do know that there's a solar they built this likely built this intentionally with the solar theme in mind. The pyramid itself, though, when we look at the pyramids, we're awestruck. You know, the sheer scale, the ingenuity, the sophistication, the giant megalithic stones, the use of granite, absolutely amazing. What we know in Egyptology is that they say it was used as a tomb for the pharaoh, which is a very basic understanding. There's still a lot of room to develop that understanding, even in Egyptology. What do you mean by tomb? Does it mean that the pharaoh was interred there

and laid to rest forever? When we look at the evolution of tombs in Egypt, go back to the earliest pre-dynastic civilizations, like the Nakata, the Badarian, and, you know, the people we found around Neckin. They were buried in, usually in little holes in the ground that were dug out in fetal position, right? Like you're sleeping, all crouched up. That was the earliest burials. Then you have the whole, and Luke's probably talked about this if he talked about the evolution of history for Egypt. You have an evolution from the mastaba, which in Arabic is like bench, and it was the burials.

They'd build these burials. And then it takes place at Saqqara, where they start adding layers to it, and they flesh out what's supposed to be... Yes, went through all this. Yeah, the pyramid, the Choser Step Pyramid Complex. That was so cool to see that evolution. And then it evolves over at Dahshur.

You have Sneferu now. You've got the red pyramid the bent pyramid all before the giza pyramids they're not the oldest pyramids right right you know so by the time you're already in the fourth dynasty there are pyramid you know pyramid buildings been going on but it was the giza pyramids are the apex of pyramid building nothing has parallel that since those fourth dynasty you know kufu kafa minkari everything seems to scale down a little bit things evolve and change security features change but um they're so goddamn big enormous i mean when you say i mean you've stood in front of a million times but even the couple times i climbed to the top of it it's like what you know what i mean and that's one of the reasons why people are like oh this can't be tombs why would you go out of your way to build a big massive pile of rocks just to bury a body

well when we say tombs are we talking about something that the pharaoh is going to be in this is my point of evolution it evolves even throughout egyptian history because people now on the internet will be like ah look at the valley of the kings they're these long corridors with lots of hieroglyphs even in the fifth dynasty the the pyramid texts come into vogue at the valley of the kings they're these long corridors with lots of hieroglyphs even in the fifth dynasty the the pyramid texts come into vogue at the pyramid of unis it's a car is our first example of pyramid texts inside a pyramid which is basically a series of spells to help guide you through the process of the afterlife and so we know from this context that this pyramid the pyramid of unis which has a you know a granite box with someone to be interred

it's talking about the afterlife the pair and then those texts they weren't very pictorial back then it was mostly just uh rows of texts of spells later in the new kingdom a thousand years later new kingdom ancient egyptians valley of the kings this is a thousand years over a thousand years of elapse now they're going into the ground and there's an evolution takes place there first they're sinking shafts then they go in an angle then they go into the mountain itself then they start you know adding hieroglyphs there's a whole evolution of tombs so a lot of people will point out and be like well the pyramids don't have any hieroglyphs tombs like in the valley of the kings they have hieroglyphs you're talking about an aspect of a civilization a thousand years

later they've evolved the new kingdom tombs are not old kingdom style burials you know why do i think it was in a sense a tomb um but not i i would say yes it was used in i think tomb is not a good word to describe a pyramid i would say that i do lean toward the idea that it was used toward the process for the afterlife are you but are you saying it could be because you don't like it almost seems like it's a semantics argument, if I'm hearing this correctly. Like, because you don't want to say definitively, oh, it was just a tomb, you're leaving the door creaked open that there was something else, not necessarily sinister, but something else useful there. Yeah, I wouldn't say sinister, definitely the way i feel yeah is that there is something more to the pyramids we don't understand and egyptian burials and the afterlife

and that whole process and the function of the pyramid now um when we say it was a how do we know with certainty that the pharaohs that were supposedly allegedly put in these sarcophagi granite boxes, inside the pyramids were laid to rest there for all eternity. How do we know that it wasn't for a specific period of time? And it's something we're missing, that the ancient Egyptian ontology, their thought process was like, you know, first there's a whole period for the mummification process, you know, some 60, 70 days that it requires to go through this whole process for mummification. Who's to say they didn't have a process where they put the body inside, you know, the stone for a specific period of time,

because their belief system was that somehow that fused with the afterlife. And then they, you know, and then they move. I don't know. I can't say with certainty. It seems as though, because there are security features, the lids of the the sarcophagi the port cullis which is like a trap door that prevents you from getting in that they would seal shut it does seem that they're trying to seal them um there's a pyramid the second pyramid there's

another pyramid at sakara where there's a unique um sarcophagi or stone box inside it's the only one of its kind that we found where it has this mechanism that allows like a trap door to shut down and when they recently opened it up when the egyptologists opened up they had difficulty because it was like gypsum so somebody sealed it shut which means whatever's in there would probably still be in there because most of the other stuff has been looted you know a lot of people will say they're not tombs because we've never found a body inside the pyramids yes what you have to realize is that after the old kingdom there was a period intermediate period a period of instability where things were in turmoil and and there was upset and

different people trying to fight for powers and struggle but they would steal every they would go in and steal they would go in and it's likely people who already knew how to breach the system would go back in and steal whatever was there all right so But they would be able to steal every single body? You see what I'm saying? Like, all these intricate, you know, designs within the pyramid, you're saying they didn't miss one? There's over 100 pyramids in Egypt. People don't realize that.

They think of Giza. They think of Thrae. It's over 100. We've already, you know, taken a look at all of them, and, you know, they've been excavated. They've been run through. For the most part, you know, we can't – well, there's actually later pyramids we have found bodies. So we do know, even in Luxor, on the west bank of Luxor is the El Medina, which is the workman's village. These were the artisans and masons who were crafting the Valley of the Kings for the pharaohs. It was secret knowledge. They had to go up around the back of the mountain. Likely they were blindfolded and brought to the Valley of the Kings where they would do the work. And it was a secret. Nobody was supposed to know this is where we were burying people. And then they would come back and they would use the same techniques in their village. In their village, in their settlement is a pyramid. It's almost, it's inspired, it's like a Kushite pyramid, like a Nubian pyramid that you see close to the Sudan, a true pyramid, which is a shrine to a tomb. So we know that they were used as tombs. They were used in the afterlife process. People will say that because

they're so big and so massive and no bodies have been found inside and there's no hieroglyphic inscriptions, we can't say with certainty they're tombs. So now we can make up all other theories about what they are. I'll say that, you know what, let's look at the context. To begin with, you have the River Nile. All life. The Nile was the gift of Egypt. On the two lands, Upper and Lower Egypt, which are united to give us Egypt. Then there are two other lands, the East Bank and the West Bank.

East Bank of the Nile was about life. We talked about how in the last episode, how the sun would rise in the east. And then it would go to, there was no word for death. It'd go to west, it'd go in the west. Go to the underworld. So the way that Egypt is laid out, I don't know if you realize this, but the right side, the east bank of the Nile is all the houses of life, the temples, the mansions of the gods, the temples where gods are supposed to, Netru, come down and inhabit the temple.

That was life, houses of life. The mystery schools were called houses of life. West Bank of the Nile, life where the sun rises. Where the sun sets in the west, where I lived, I lived on the west bank of the Nile in Luxor. I was five minutes from the Valley of the Kings, Hatshepsut's temple. You go on the roof of my house, you could look across the river and see the Luxor temple.

I was in the center of everything. I was a five minute walk to the giant colossi of Memnon. I was right there in the village with the people. And so, um, and the West bank is death. It's where you go to die. It's where you put the necropolises in most cases. So Giza was, uh, is a necropolis. There's evidence that it might've been early settlement. It was a necropolis. It's all burials. Most of the Giza Plateau, aside from the pyramids, are mastaba fields, right? So you have all these burials in a necropolis. You go up or you go along the Nile, you come to Saqqara, which is a necropolis where you have pyramids. You go all the way, the whole west bank of the Nile, it's all these necropolises or burials. And then you have these pyramids in the

center of a necropolis which is associated with the afterlife you don't put a chemical processing plant or you know uh why not or in the middle of a cemetery what cemetery do you know that has a best buy in the middle of it yeah i don't have that but i'm saying like is there a way things don't have to make sense as we understand things to make sense in our life now. You know, human culture is weird. It does change. So, like, what is... Because you're getting towards, like, what that guy Landy Kemp says, where he thinks...

And I think, if I remember correctly, Christopher Dunn has a similar theory. Well, Christopher Dunn's a pioneer. Right. The short of all of that, you know, you have... Actually, you have uh actually you have max well the real pioneer would be william um flinders petrie he was an early egyptologist some of his methods are questionable now but they still rely on him as a reliable source he did a lot of measurements did a lot of work in egypt and he noted a lot of unusual tool marks um which look like things that

the egyptians couldn't produce with what we have on record. Copper can't exactly grind in the chisel unless you have an abrasive, right? So Petrie was really the pioneer. And then in the 70s, late 60s, early 70s, you have this whole movement, pyramid power. People are fascinated with the pyramids. You have this guy, Max Thoth. There was another guy. Max Thoth wrote the book, Py pyramid power it was it was like a cult book it was a big following and he talks about the pyramids almost like it's it's energy center power plant but had no science to back it up along comes engineer crit well i don't know if he's actually an engineer but along comes christopher dunn and i've toured with christopher dunn i've been in egypt i did his

his very last tour of Egypt ever. He said he wasn't going to do any more tours after this. I don't know if he changed his mind, but his very last tour was with me. And one of his early tours that led to the works in his book was with my mentor, John Anthony West. In fact, Christopher Dunn co-signed my book. If you look at the beginning of the book, he has- The Adept Initiates Guide to Luxor Temple, which we're going to talk about soon. Right on the first page, he gives an endorsement. beginning of the book he he has the adept initiates guide to luxor temple yeah which we're going to talk about soon right in the first page he gives an endorsement he mentions how he's with john anthony west and me and and basically how you know he had a great experience each time

anyway christopher dunn is kind of like the og pioneer of bringing the science to lost ancient technologies that's his narrative got it okay it builds upon an older narrative which graham has taken ownership of which is the lost civilization theory which precedes graham by the is i told you you you have even um uh saint eve's uh delvete delvete was talking about graham is just a modern day guy modern guy so um and now you have all these new youtubers you know uncharted x and Bright Insight and Brian Forrester who have picked up on Chris Dunn's work. Yes.

Right? In our whole, our whole space developed in this way on YouTube, right? Because previously everything was books and conferences. And then we have to really credit Brian Forrester. I don't see him as a trustworthy source when it comes to research. He gets a lot wrong, but we have to credit him with it's just like ancient aliens there's a lot of stuff i don't agree with on ancient aliens but it does have a positive aspect and it introduces people to a lot of these sites

like pumapunku that you might not have heard of otherwise and brian was a pioneer in the sense that he was the first bringing this stuff to the youtube space we got to credit him with that people were watching ancient aliens they wanted to know who these people were they would look them up online and then you would find brian on youtube and he was basically doing ancient aliens in in real life and leading tours from that and i was doing i was already at the same time traveling and researching and i saw that i said oh he's putting it on youtube then more youtubers started popping up and then over time you know jimmy bright insight was inspired by brian forrester you know he admits Bright Insight was inspired by Brian Forster. You know, he admits that.

And so he's learning from a guy who learned from the Kemet School, learned from Chris Dunn. Chris Dunn put a book out on lost technology. Ten years later, Brian Forster, after going on a tour with Chris Dunn, puts a book out on lost technology. Chris Dunn would provide in-depth explanations. Brian Forster would take a few of his words, repeat it in camera. That's how his YouTube channel built up. And he became the Lost Technology guy. It's almost like Chris Dunn was forgotten,

in a sense, on the internet, on YouTube. For many years, it was Brian, you want Lost Technology? It's Brian's channel. And then, you know, now there's others that have picked up the torch, in a sense, and are doing a great job with that narrative. So yeah, that's kind of like a

brief history of how this whole thing came in and christopher dunn you know he's going around and looked a lot of these tool marks i i do he's a he's really the one that kind of brought about this whole idea of inheritance theory the idea that the egyptians ancient egypt, dynastic Egyptians don't have the specific tools that he says are required to leave these tool marks on record, on the archaeological record. And therefore, it couldn't have been the Egyptians, which now opens up implications that it must be, you could say, aliens or you could say lost civilization. And we go further back in this whole turn of history you got von daniken right before sitchin you had von daniken in the 60s magicians uh no uh chariots of the gods what's it all about all these ancient sacred sites it's aliens along comes graham in the 90s flips one word magicians of the gods not aliens uh humans in a higher state of consciousness but

not the dynastic egyptians uh lost civilization uh you know and so this whole idea of inheritance theory the idea the egyptians couldn't do it i have a problem with this because number one the egyptologists you know it's very rare that they conclude i mean there are conclusions there's established texts. But often you'll find in their papers and academic journals, they're exploring. You know, they don't always give a definitive answer. A lot of times you'll see they preface their words with likely or perhaps

because they're trying to be careful because they know... Yeah, that's fine. I'm cool with that. They should do that. We know that, you know, yes, copper can't directly impact granite to make some of these marks. But if you use the right abrasives, you know, yes, copper can't directly impact granite to make some of these marks, but if you

use the right abrasives, you know, in tandem, and likely they're using their surroundings, natural surroundings. So I wouldn't say lost technology, more like lost technique, lost knowledge. And the alternatives will always say, well, the Egyptologists, that's not true. The Egyptologists literally say we have gaps in our knowledge. Did you say on the last episode when this came up very quickly, did you say you had like a chemist go in or someone and assess from like that standpoint whether or not it could have been that and they found no evidence? Specifically speaking to land the chem theory, I had a chemist and a metallurgist. When his theory first came out, quickly became popular. Johanna James was on one of my tours. And someone had came out to meet me on my tour

and he knew the Land of Chem guy and he mentioned it to her. And she became interested. And immediately after the tour, she featured him and did a video. She has a huge YouTube following. So he got a lot of traction. And then shortly after,

I think he was on Danny Jones. Yeah, I've talked with him. He's a nice guy. He's making some waves. So I've talked with him too. I didn't have the same experience. He doesn't like me. I've tried to cite references and show him stuff in Egyptology,

and he doesn't want to be corrected. I was blocked on his YouTube channel. He took to Instagram to attack me and whatever. Point is, I don't care about the personalities. It's the actual argument, okay? What he's trying to say, and so Chris Dunn has the Giza power plant theory. And in between them, J.J. Heretic wrote a book,

The Giza Industrial Complex. So it's a similar theory. Then the land of chemicals and changes a little bit. Now it's a chemical processing situation where they were using these to process certain chemicals. But chemicals you have to go through it and it's been a while and to be honest with you i've stopped looking at the material because i reached a point where i'm just like i'm wasting my time time is valuable um it's a fascinating theory sensationalism written all over it it's perfect for podcasts it's perfect for clickbait but i pulled in a

metallurgist and a chemist i gave gave them the entire presentation. I went through everything with them. I have my Egyptological perspective because I could see certain things he was saying demonstrates a lack of Egyptology. And when I talked to these guys and I realized that, you know, if his education isn't all the way there on Egyptology, I'd have to question his, you know, education and chemistry as well i'm not a chemist i can't speak to that i did pull in a chemist metallurgist they went through everything both of them agree that it's these claims are baseless based on what like what did they find man we would have to do a whole entire to go back into i i couldn't articulate

it well enough now this is over a year this is going back like a year or two i have a video on this no but i i was maybe it's not on the top of my priority list i i would maybe make one addressing it because i do have i have all the notes i have everything i just need time to wrap my head around it and construct the argument yeah you i have i have like made like on the john and james video in a comment section i gave a bunch of points i forget a lot of them now, I gave a bunch of points. I forget a lot of them now, but I gave a bunch of points on why his theory doesn't work. Yeah, if you have that, you should do something public, whether it be a publication or some sort of video reviewing the evidence,

just so it's out in the public square and we can play the game the right way and he can have a chance to look at those points as well. I think, because again, I like to make peace in these scenarios. Everyone's working on the same thing. Everyone wants to find out the truth, right? So everyone, you know, if you play nice in the sandbox everyone can be a part of that solution It doesn't mean you have to be right about everything

but I think if you did actually take the time to have some quote-unquote experts come in there and metallurgists and a chemist to break this down like The people should see that 100% No, I think you're right and um yeah and i'm all on board with unity and i'm also i'm cool with you know coexisting with opposing opposites right i've had people on my tours i don't agree i've toured i've co-led a tour with christopher dunn we were great friends at the time and you know i didn't subscribe to his theory i didn't whole hardly believe in it and after the tour i believed in it even less um when he took me on the giza plateau and there's these boat pits and he thinks that they were actually giant saw pits that they weren't boat pits and and then when we

went to uh you know egyptian museum there's a statue of ramses and he's telling me that he doesn't believe it's the statue itself is the product of the the statue with its signature nemes headdress isn't the the product of the ancient egyptian civilization that they came along later and added their crude graffiti there is usurping in egyptology the egyptologists this isn't nothing new the egyptologists know that the egyptians were usurping earlier egyptians in fact it happens quite frequently even within the 18th dynasty you know uh um horm heb comes along and crosses out tut's name said he comes along and crosses out his name and they're always usurping one another and adding their name

during their time this thing happens but you know when you have the stylistic features in the statue you have the nemesis headdress of the pharaoh which doesn't have a precedence before dynastic egypt and chris dunn's like we'll prove it we'll prove that it did it the burden of proof is on you to show that it you know we don't have any evidence that existed right so what he's trying to say is the statues were fashioned before the ancient egyptian civilization and then the egyptians came along and just threw their their hieroglyphs on top of it and to me it's sort of the same problem with the ancient aliens theory. You're taking accomplishment away from the higher consciousness of the that they that they did we people can argue over whether or not it was this thing or that thing or this one had outside influence whatever that was but like overall as a civilization it's it's unbelievable and

I don't I don't want to understate that but like I I think you make a good point in the sense that the argument of well you don't have enough proof. So therefore, my thing that also doesn't have enough proof, must be right, is literally pointing the finger from the glass. It's like the Spider-Man meme, where the Spider-Mans are like pointing at each other. And I feel like that's, you're giving an example of it there with Chris,

looking at the establishment. I feel like we run into that in this field all the time. Yeah, I try to be slow on the draw to say, I'm right and you're wrong. And also to have hardcore, you know, as a practicing Rosicrucian, we practice tolerance and we try to look at things through multiple lenses. We find that it's best to try not to conclude some things you can conclude on and you can always align yourself with universal principles because they will never fail you. Everything else we have to, you know, operate with the understanding that we're operating with our own limited understanding. And if you say that to most people, they'll be offended. Well, you know, you're operating with your own limited

understanding. You'll feel like I'm being condescending. That's the objective truth. We don't all know everything. But that's why it's important. Let's put our evidence out for our narrative. You know, Chris is saying that, you know, there's no evidence to prove those statues predate the ancient Egyptians. He's trying to say because there's tool marks that we can't, you know, definitively prove the ancient Egyptians. But when you look at the preponderance of evidence, you know, there's a lot of nuances. And when you look at the statues, we don't find the stylistic features or statues that size anywhere before in Egypt, in the dynastic Egyptian civilization. Not only that, for me, the big one was the boat pits. Christopher Dunn believes there was a giant semicircular saw.

A boat pit, if you go to Giza Plateau, they have boat pits. They didn't find any, but this is always the case, right? You have tombs, you didn't find any pharaohs, so they can't be tombs. You have boat pits, we didn't find any boats, is always the case right you have tombs you didn't find any pharaohs so they can't be tombs you have boat pits we didn't find any boats so they can't be boat pits you go to the serapium the apis bull burial boxes didn't find any bulls so they can't be bulls but that's bullshit because we actually did find a boat in one boat pit at giza the kufu solar boat but in the interest of fairness that pit is stylistically different from the others but those stylistic features and i've had boatmen come on my trips yachtsmen they're like this is this has all the one of them was on the trip with chris dunn he came for the some

people came for the esoteric stuff some people came for the lost technology chris gave his presentation on why he thinks what egyptologists are saying on boat pits is actually for a giant circular saw that would have cut the stones for the great pyramids on demand. The way he explains it is that, you know, the foreman, because all the stones are not perfect. They're not all perfectly precise and shaped. When you look at the core masonry of the pyramids, it's all kind of erratic. And so you would need a specific shape to fit on spec. So he's saying they would have the saw, they are on site, and they would be able to cut it down on spec and deliver it to the pyramids. Which, if we subscribe to the conventional

chronology of ancient Egypt, 4th dynasty. These boat pits are 5th dynasty. They have all the signature hallmarks. So these boat pits didn't even come until after the 4th dynasty. And they have all the features that one would need for a boat pit. And we actually did find boats. Not a Giza, but we found boats in a boat pit at Saqqara. We found them next to Abydos, few people know about. You got to dig deep in the archaeological record to find this stuff. So I don't believe, I believe there are boat pits. All the science studying this stuff, knowing that they look like Fifth Dynasty boat pits to me, I don't see how it would be a giant semicircular saw.

And then there's a lot of other issues with it. It's not that simple. There's a lot of nuances to it. Yeah. But, you know. Now, you've mentioned several different times today, obviously, like your scope of places you go in here just because you know I get some different answers and also it kind of keeps me up at night sometimes is the the parallel structures we find around the world and you've already mentioned some earlier like in the last episode when you're talking about the mayas and and stuff it's like you know we see pyramids in

all different places and I try to think of of some conventional reasons for that. You don't just have, one that we speculate about, whatever it is, are there civilizations that could have existed that tied the basis of structures like a pyramid, which could be one of many different things, to each other around the world? And that is the nature of how this technology was able to exist. Do you think that's possible? So you're asking why we see similar features across the ocean you know oceans apart and yet you have pyramids yes and under the ocean if you look off the coast of cuba and things like that like we see these things there's pyramids off the coast of cuba yeah i wasn't aware yeah they're they're way deep can we actually pull that up pyramids off coast of cuba it's a digital re-rendering bimini row you're not talking

about bimini row close to cuba i don't that doesn't sound i remember a television program in the 80s in search of with lennon nemoid that talked about a crystal pyramid underneath the ocean i don't remember the terminology i'm going to get it wrong but that was that would have been episode 153 or 154 with matt lacroix we went through that there it is the first one on the top left Alessi so this is it if we can click the first one on top of this is a digital re rendering of what was found I forget how far off the coast of Cuba but this is where I don't know enough about this so I would need to ask a lot of questions to begin with who rendered it how do I know this

isn't Photoshop i don't remember it's it's not photoshop okay it was a real finding i hope i'm right about that i need to i need to i don't know that i haven't dug into this can we go to all alessi off images so that we can see some sources here okay yes there's an underwater formation off the coast of cuba that some believe to be a submerged granite structure complex including pyramids in 2001 bbc news announced the discovery of the formation using scanning equipment so it was bb yeah it was a legit discovery now if people want to say like oh bbc got it wrong i guess you can argue the media says stuff that doesn't necessarily mean something so you know, media is media. BBC, what is that?

But don't you think they'd be in that type of media, they'd be the people poo-pooing shit like this rather than actually playing it up? Sensationalism? Headlines thrive off that. Not sensationalism, but like when it comes to, you know, the establishment teachings of history, you know, oh, no, don't question that.

So maybe there is something to it. I don't know a certainty. I haven't studied it. So, you know, I don't feel qualified to maybe there is something to i don't know a certainty i haven't studied it so you know i don't feel qualified to speak on it i'd have to look into it well let me let me read it yeah and that's i appreciate that scroll up let's see the headline yeah scroll all the way up okay so you've been so sonar this this is straight off of wikipedia which could be run by the cia just to be clear though this says formation and not pyramid so they could just be rock formations. Right. So sonar images interpreted as being symmetrical and geometric stone structures resembling an urban complex were first recorded in early 2001,

covering an area of two square kilometers at depths of between 600 meters and 750 meters, which is approximately 2,460 feet. The discovery was reported by Pauline Zalitsky, a marine engineer, and her husband, Paul Wenswig, owners of a Canadian company called Advanced Digital Communications, working on an exploration and survey mission in conjunction with the Cuban government. That's a little sketchy, working with the Cuban government.

The team returned to the site at a second time with an underwater remotely operated vehicle that filmed sonar images interpreted as various pyramids and circular structures made out of massive smooth blocks of stone that resembled hewn granite. Zolitsky said, it's a really wonderful structure, which really looks like it could have been a large urban center. However, it would be totally irresponsible to say what it was before we have evidence, which is fair. Okay, so scroll down, Leslie. After studying the image, National Geographic senior editor John Eckave said they are interesting

anomalies but that's as much as anyone can say right now i'm no expert on sonar and until we are able to actually go down there and see it will be difficult to characterize them all right so in in fairness to you they're they're taking your side of like i'm with that let's not get forward to that either way like this remove this example let's do this real quick go to hit the x down the bottom where it says maybe later hit x and let's look at the references because forget all the verbiage in the actual let's look at the sources be a gangster and go with the source okay bbc which doesn't mean anything in a yes they have a certain standard don't click it yet they have a certain standard but at the same time they're fed press releases you can hire a company this is how billy carson

got on he used to hire press you know know publishing companies to produce articles about him early on you can I know it's from the music industry but get to the BBC with that too BBC has a higher standard of things but BBC has also published stuff that yeah they definitely get shit wrong look I just want to see what all the references are okay new underwater finds underwater finds raise questions about National Geographic, St. Petersburg Times, Daily News, Bowling Green, Kentucky. All right, Daily News and the Times. And then Reuters Havana.

Somebody picked up the press release and they started writing about it. I see what you're saying. I'm not going to. There's reason to poke holes. I'm not saying that there aren't formations. I don't know. And I would be foolish to even comment on it because i haven't looked into this but my guess is okay there probably are based on what they're saying it's likely this formations are they pyramids i don't know is that image an actual image from this event it's a sonar

rendering is it a sonar rendering that's what she said or is that's what's who said that's what kalitsky said where yeah yeah but the one we're looking at is that the actual sonar rendering or is that something somebody made for a blog article i can't i can't remember i can't i i i don't want to i don't want to get you wrong so just because we have an image with the news somebody could have ran out through ai make me an underwater formation and then use the image before ai i do know that okay fair enough somebody could have went on photoshop and made an image i'm just saying possible i don't know what that image is if it is the actual that's what sonar looks like because that's pretty clear where's that where's that image go back to the image let's see i mean this will require some research work we

you know i'd have to spend another at least 30 minutes to get more insight right there yeah see is this image the actual sonar printout or who who who's responsible for this image whose camera is this taken from who created this and these are the questions you want to ask because on a surface level you're going to assume that that is the data data results that i see of underwater underground images never look like that all right and anthropologist affiliated with the Cuban Academy of Sciences has said that still photos were taken from the videotape clearly show symbols and inscriptions.

Weinzweig said it is not yet known in what language the inscriptions are written. What website is this? The sonar images. Vive Free Press. Okay, Vive Free Press. This source to begin with? I'm cool with poking holes in sources. That's great. The sonar images he added free press okay why free press all right i don't this source to begin with yeah no i i'm not all

right i'm i'm cool with poking holes and sources that's great the sonar images he added bear remarkable resemblance to the pyramidal design of mayan and aztec temples in mexico i am totally cool with with hold on one second i just want to say this i'm totally cool with poking holes in in stories like this and in sources like this, I think that's great. And I think having a guy from your space doing it is even better. So especially when I'm trying to remember something that was in an earlier podcast, someone else brought up that I haven't looked at in a while, I always need to say this, like, this is why we got to go on and check it because there could be holes in it for sure. And so either way, though, I don't want to get lost in the main point

here. This one was an underwater example in cuba yeah all the ones we do know about though that are above water on fucking land that we can look at which is where i should have stayed to be honest that's my fault everybody but like when we look it was it was good shit and and i like the coconut move off it i could poke some final holes if you could just go back i just want to bring this to people's consciousness when you're doing research okay scroll up notice the first image the featured image has no citation no credits the one in that we're talking about okay that's fine scroll down now we have a map of where it is and it's an actual citation now map showing this blah blah blah scroll down now we again we have the image again

with the map but this time we have no citation there's no credit or reference and look the image on the left that's ai i mean that or that's that's a re-rendering of something i don't know if that's ai but 100 picture yeah but if if the average person reading the headline and and you know in all credulity just scrolls through this they're going to assume there's these pyramids under the water no what there is apparently is some formations that look like it could be a settlement according to these people who said this who got a press release out to a bunch of people could be you know but you make a great point yeah back to the point of he's a plateau we know about yeah right next to the sphinx across the street is the village of nazat saman in the city where's all houses and stores the pizza hut underneath

all of those houses are still burials there's so much more the g there's literally the whole there's a whole underworld to giza and i am going to be putting a youtube video on this because i have been places underground at giza few eyes ever get to see. Tourists are not allowed to go. I've seen things. I've seen giant rock-cut statues, rock-cut stone figures underground at Giza that you don't see in any book, anywhere on the internet, right?

There's all these chambers. Why do they keep this? They don't like people to go into these areas of Giza and they put security up around them. Why? They're covering it all up. No, they don't want somebody to stumble along and fall on a shaft and break their neck and then there's a news article out on how a tourist got hurt in egypt and it's understudied and underpublished they can only do so much egypt has so much undiscovered stuff and they have a lot

that they've discovered that they don't talk about because they only have so much time so much resources so much money and unfortunately archaeology seems to take a backseat to tourism. So if it's not something that's convenient for a tourist bus to get to and that tourists are going to, why are they going to go spend all this money, you know, and put something into something when they could be focusing on sites that people are actually going to? So there's a lot of reasons. There's politics, there's red tape, but there's also good reasons why they're not looking into some of these things.

But we know there's an entire diagram from Harvard that shows, and Lepsis, one of the early expeditions, they already have a layout of the Giza underground. There's so many passages and tunnels. Some people will stress your truth and say that there's a tunnel extending from Giza to Saqqara. from hakeem ayawan of the chemist school this is not true i knew the guy who grew up with hakeem one of his best friends who lived right next door to him he says no such tunnel that exists he said there's tunnels on the ground where did that rumor come from

apparently from hakeem ayawan or students of hockey from the chem it comes from the chemist so i've heard jimmy bright insight repeated i've heard bennett uncharted x repeated they say yusuf ayawan's father they all learned from yusuf yusuf ayawan's father hakim ayawan said that there is a tunnel that connect as a child he went through but when you ask his son yusuf because i've seen him in youtube videos where people directly ask him he goes turns his head to the side and goes i cannot confirm ah and when i ask people that grew up with his father in the village that know giza like the back of their hand because they played in every shaft and tunnel they know it those people know it they were there as kids they know it better

than anybody and so it was like no there's and and the fact that there's no precedence for such a long yeah you can't but but the the the intricacy and brilliance of the egyptian ones aside when you just look at the structural layout of ones around the world how do we explain that ones what tombs shafts tunnels forget the word tombs the fucking pyramids the things that are why why do we have similar features and ain't just a pyramid you've got the dovetail the mortise and tenon the clamp that goes inside that brings two stones together that's the unusual one for me it's like man all these you you have it in japan china you have it in mesoamerica south america you have it in egypt it's all over the world where you have uh john anthony west would say a mortise and tenon

some people refer them as dovetails with a clamp that goes in between. It's to hold the masonry two joints together in masonry. And we see that feature all over. Some of them have metal. Some of them have stone. Some of them have wood. When you come to Egypt with me, I know where they're all at in Egypt. There's one hidden at the top of a stone in Philae. There's one in Hatshepsut's temple that is wood, petrified wood that's thousands of years old. There's an example hidden behind the obelisk at the Luxor temple. There's one in stone. And then there's some in copper, which are more modern. Even the modern authorities are still using this technique.

How did this technique spread across the world? How did—you've got the step pyramid Saqqara. There's step pyramids all over Mesoamerica. Yes. I'm not totally—so basically we're talking about the difference between isolationist theory and diffusionism, the idea that cultures spread out across the world. And with that exchange of knowledge and trade, the knowledge went along with the trade. Then there's the concept that's maintained, the cherished paradigm is more isolationist theory that these

cultures did not have contact with other sources. That's a part of academia in the ivory towers I'm not entirely aligned with. I would be willing to bet that there were unaccounted voyages and expeditions to places. There's just so much of it. We know that there was, where Egypt is, we know there was an exchange between the Levant across the water in the Mediterranean. We know the Mycenaean culture and, you know, they have Egyptian artifacts in Egypt. There's stuff that looks like it might have been inspired by the Minoans or Mycenaeans, you know, and so you have a lot of similarities. How did it happen without travel? Is it possible

to happen? So I think it's possible that somebody went around and shared information. I think that is still, academia probably wouldn't agree with me. I think there's a that somebody went around and and shared information i think that is still academia probably wouldn't agree with me i think there's a possibility it needs to be explored but let's look at the other side now um how could this happen well there's also the idea that as humans we coexisting at the same time we have the same i said before five in the other episode five basic needs food clothing medicine shelter and these are five human problems that everything we do is geared towards solving those problems you know i gotta provide a living to keep shelter to get clothes to you know so humans are faced with the same problems same challenges and we're talking about a pyramid it's a geometrical shape right and those shapes often

have meaning and we find in many cultures indigenous traditions a lot of the meanings tend to you know be the same when you're pointing up. So, like, why do cultures have triangles in their architecture? Why do they use squares in their architecture? But I agree. Yes, there's pyramids, there's step pyramids. How could that happen? You know, hey, it's possible, people.

I think there's still, I think we shouldn't put a, you know, close the door on that, that there possibly could be trade. I think there's other alternative explanations. A big one that I'm on, and you might not agree, it comes from the source. The source. These geo, what is a pyramid? It's a triangle. It's a geometric shape, the geometries. It may come from some sort of divine. So the ancient Egyptians were telling us that they were communicating with the gods. Shamans all over the world, even today, indigenous traditions, are going within, making offerings,

and connecting with the divine. People who practice meditation. Plural. Divines? Well, you said gods before that. Yeah, gods or god. When I say gods, so there's creator. You can call him

God or her or him or no gender. You can call it Allah. It's creator. There's, to me, there's one universal undifferentiated consciousness that becomes aware of itself and everything emanates out from that, which we're a product of. That's creator, the creator, the grand architect of the universe. But then there's the spiritual. Ancient Egyptians, for example, viewed all of creation as one giant act of creation. Everything they did was sacred, whether plowing the ground, planting seeds, making offerings, they were sacred acts. And all of creation is fused with these spiritual energies known as the Netru. Remember the other episode I said a Netru, which today Hollywood would refer to as the gods of Egypt,

but they were the Netru for the Egyptians. A Netru, which later probably becomes nature, is principles of nature or aspects of cosmology. So there's astrological cycles that take place up above, right? We know the procession of the equinoxes, the constellation of stars, you have the great year. We know about these cycles and events. And astrology is based on the astronomy suggesting that it has an impact on, you know, planet and humanity.

In a general sense, you think about how the moon affects the tides of the ocean. Moon affects the tides of the ocean. Rest records are high, because we're mostly comprised of water we have water within us when there's a full moon people tend to go a little crazy it seems to have an impact a celestial body seems to have an impact on us right metaphysical in a way metaphysical it is metaphysical because we can't but we can scientifically not metaphysically physically supposedly prove that the moon has an effect on the tides of the ocean right and it affect water and so my whole point is that uh so if

there's if there's an influence up there and this is important for the ancient people these cycles and this influence maybe not even the influence itself because we don't know if the ancient ancient egyptians even had astrology in the way we think of it they likely didn't it doesn't seem to come into vogue until the later periods of Egypt. They had a profound understanding of the cosmos, but maybe not astrology the way we view it today. And then, you know, you have this whole reverence for the sky. So where I'm trying to go with this is, where was I going with this? You have the whole, oh, so you express it. The weave is coming together. You express it in a way that the ancient Egyptians could explain to the initiates, the initiated priesthood, what these things are. So you have the—this is cosmic—I'm talking about cosmic wisdom.

And so they have a god for that. They have a netcher. Thoth, or Thoth, or Thoth, depending on what school of pronunciation. So Thoth, or Thoth, depending on what school of pronunciation. So Thoth, or Thoth, the ibis-headed god. He had the body of a man, represented in our likeness, with the head of an ibis, sometimes depicted as a baboon. Generally speaking, he was the god of wisdom, writing, and magic. Best viewed as the principle of cosmic wisdom. Thoth, or really, Thoth is a Greek corruption of the ancient Egyptian word,

Chahuti, or really, thoth is a Greek corruption of the ancient Egyptian word jahuti or tahuti. In fact, even the Egyptians today, when you go to Egypt, they'll be like, thoth, thoth. So that becomes thoth, thoth, from tahuti or jahuti. So he's the cosmic principle of wisdom. He's the one that brought the hieroglyphic language to the Egyptians in the mythology. He gave them what they call the medu netcher it meant divine or sacred nature medu language the sacred language of the gods which later the greeks call hieroglyphs hiro means divine glyph means incision so the greeks like

this medu netcher this is hieroglyphs divine he's the one that he's the divine prince so in order to ex how do you express cosmic wisdom? Look how difficult it is to try to explain it here on a podcast. We get an image, and we use different characteristics of the ibis bird and its intelligence, and we'll use this for a symbol of that. And that's how the gods come to be. You've got Toth, Isis, Iset, Osiris, Horus. they're all archetypal expressions personifications of cosmic principles and natural principles when it rains as a name for that when the wind blows as a name for that these were the gods so when i say gods plural i'm referring to all the egyptian gods or and spiritual energies within the universe not the one creator. But you're saying that the explanation could be that there's the source of

that is the divine intervention of them being able in these different civilizations to build something, you know, maybe an homage to the sources giving it to them. Yeah. Well, when we turn to the literature, the mystery schools,

like the Pythagorean mystery school, you know, they had a deep reverence for, they studied relationships and not necessarily the relationships between, you know, they had a deep reverence for, they studied relationships. And not necessarily the relationships between, you know, you and your significant other or friendship, that too, but the relationships between numerical ratios and harmony and music and what they refer to

as the planet of the spheres. They're rotating, they're creating the sound we supposedly can't hear. And those harmonies are linked to numbers. There's a whole esoteric number symbolism, which later in time, historically, the Golden Dawn puts together for tarot, and everything is corresponded, where every planet, every tarot card,

every color, every number has an attribution. Every number, this is one of the profound things I learned from John Anthony West. Every number is about form, function, or process, and every number has a gender. I'll go through really quickly, one through ten. Every number is a gender. Every other one is a different gender. Interesting.

So, one. There can only be one. We're all one. One. There can only be one. It just exists. The one becomes conscious of itself and splits into two okay in egyptian terms this is the god atum who they say mentally masturbates

and creates a version of himself on the primordial mound in the beginning of time for the egyptians there's all watery chaos it's chaos coming into order order return to chaos it's an eternal cycle so it's a mound that arises from the earth and then you have our tomb so this is egyptian terms so our tomb splits himself it's expressed in this way it's the one becomes the two what is two duality and polarity and this is still metaphysical before we come into existence so you have duality andity, and some will even say in esoteric traditions that two is movement. You can use the number mnemonic two, like T-O, for remembering two, because you're going to something. The one is expanding to something, but you truly don't have that duality until you get the three, which three is the number of relationships.

Three is the number of the pyramid. Three is the number of relationships three is the number of the pyramid three is the observing spectator right then then this is still metaphysical there's always three it's the father the son the holy ghost the holy trinity three is an esoteric number three six and nine it's all in three and then material manifestation us four four is a number of stability it's a number of substance materiality form this is why the ancients would find ancient sacred spaces they would sometimes look for cosmo-toleric zones where you have terrestrial forces they would converge the cosmic would converge with terrestrial of the earth would converge with that of the cosmic what do i mean every morning there is uh you know the earth's magnetic field is affected and it plays out in a way where it can impact um we have what are known as subtle earth energies right allegedly right they run through the earth because some stones

are conductors and the scientific term for it is conductivity discontinuity where the um where you have they prefer them as ley lines energy grids and where they intersect is often where you have, they refer to them as ley lines, energy grids, and where they intersect is often where you have, you know, a difference in the, you know, the landscape. And so when these things come together, these are often sacred spaces, or you depend on orientation, you're looking at the stars or alignments, or you're orienting a sacred space, you take that sacred space. And I hesitate to use this because really, who gets to determine what is and is not sacred or spiritual because everything is right but the egyptians had this concept of things being more sacred or a space in a sense that this is where the primordial mound would be uh and there are many of them because all the temples have a primordial mound

story well not all of them but many of them and then they would enclose that sacred space that's how they'd build that temple like a seed seed. The temple was organic. It was a living stone structure would grow from that inner sanctum or the nous, and the temple would grow out from that exponentially, and it would grow over time. So you're consecrating sacred space, and only the initiated priesthood could enter. We're very fortunate today that as tourists, we could just go in and traverse these temples and go into the Holy of Holies. In ancient times, it was only the priest himself or the highest level of initiates or pharaoh himself and his family that could access the innermost sanctum of a

temple. The general populace couldn't enter the temple. On some occasions, they could go to the courtyard, which precedes the temple, to observe the festivals where certain principles were communicated. And this is where you would petition to be a candidate in the mystery schools, and you'd learn the mystery school teachings, and maybe you'd become a scribe. Although often, scribes came down through the father. And there's a whole degree of scribes. You learn when you're young, and there's different levels of scribes. There's different stages or degrees of priesthood. You have the Wa'eb priesthood, which was responsible for purification rituals.

Before you could even enter the temple, you had to be pure. You had to take your ass over to the sacred lake and do the rituals and perform rituals to enter the temple. Then you had to cleanse the temple as a Wa'eb priest before you could go through. You would have to perform rites in the morning. Sometimes it's three, sometimes it's five times a day. You're going to wake the temple up in the morning, and then you're going to rock it back to sleep during the day. And you're going to nourish it throughout the day with offerings. We talked

about offerings in the other episode and rituals, which is what is depicted on all the walls, most of the walls in temples in Egypt. It's the rituals that the priests would have to perform in the temple, usually making offerings to the deity, the god that the temple is consecrated to. And then not all the priests could go into the Holy of Holies, the innermost sanctum, which was the most powerful power spot. The Luxor Temple was known in ancient times, Luxor is the Arabic word, like for fort, well, that's Karnak,

but Luxor, the ancient word is Ipet Resut, which was the secret southern sanctuary, because in the southern part of the temple is the innermost part of the temple, and that's where the select highest initiated priesthood and pharaoh could go. They almost had their own, it was like their own religion, their own hidden religion. Very similar in Christianity, how the priests can go behind, you have the papal mass, they can go behind the altar where they do their own rites that you don't see, then they come out and they perform for the masses. In Egypt, the general religion was the Osirian religion. Osiris was the principle of cyclical renewal. When the Nile would inundate and flow every year and then recede and go back, that cycle was

Osiris. Or another way of expressing the principle of Osiris, you've got a seed, you drop it in the earth, it sprouts a tree, the tree bears fruit, the fruit drops a seed, it makes an eternal cycle. That is Osiris in action. And the Pharaoh was thought to be Osiris in the afterlife. It was this cyclical, it was the principle of resurrection, renewal, right? And the Nile would renew everything every year. Horus, his son, represents breaking out of the hamster wheel, returning back to the original source. So we're talking about the doctrines almost of incarnation, resurrection. Jesus was the way to the Father. Horus, it is through horus you're going to

return to the source so you're going back to where the creator you're not just going through endless cycles that's you know like karma and that's reincarnation people think you're going through several cycles to learn lessons until you figure out how to break out of the hamster whale and return to the source and so the horian religion was more of, you know, within the priesthood. And so, and all offerings would be made. And so the temple was a sacred space. It was built on sacred ground. And so we get a square to symbolize that structure. And that square is all throughout humanity. We use the geometry of it, the shapes to enclose something. Even our modern buildings today are square or you know

triangle pointing up that's right it's it's pointing up so you're you're it's material returning to spirit when it's pointing down it's spirit manifesting as matter the masonic aprons which is the gmail the google pull up the google logo google or gmail logo gmail logo yeah oh with the with the has a triangle yeah has the envelope which is the same design that you see freemasons wearing on their apron so you're saying gmail's free pull up a masonic apron there's so much masonic symbolism the masons are long running historical esoteric organization uh apron put in masonic apron masonic apron or and put in gmail next to it i'm sure people are drunk oh there you go there's your gmail yeah so here's here here's the thing i always ask on this though when you have something a universal shape as simple as a fucking triangle in this case it's upside down it's like so many

people could make a symbol and i'm not saying it's not true i'm not saying that there's not some sort of underlying like sinister whatever i'm saying like you know you'll see people claim anytime someone does anything on the internet with any kind of fame where they where they make any symbol with their hand they're like oh they oh, they're in the Illuminati! Because the Illuminati has these very simple, in many cases, like, I'm not going to do them right now because that'll get fucking screenshotted, but you know what I mean, like these simple shapes that they'll make that any other fucking person could make and have no idea. I didn't even know what the Illuminati was until I was like 21 years old or whatever.

It's a high degree in the Rosicrucian order. Well, it is. There's an Illuminati degree for Rosicrucians. There is? They're going through all the degrees, of course. Is that associated? There's the general understanding of the Illuminati on the outside and historical understanding,

but esoteric traditions have something also known as traditional history or sacred history. So wait, they're tied together though? Well, Western esotericism is all these Freemasons illuminati ot they're not the same thing but they're all like a chain in a link they're all like a chain they're all connected but your rosicrucian chain has an illuminati segment i don't know it's not mine that the rosicrucian order earmarked the ancient mystical order Rosicrucius. There is an Illuminati degree in the monographs with a higher degree. Rosicrucians learn about it. You learn about fascinating things not to give all the secrets away. You learn about radiest who was using radioesthesia, like dowsing, to locate missing people, to determine if plants were, certain plants were edible. Because, listen, you want to know who has the secrets? It's not the Illuminati. It's not the Freemasons. The Jesuits, those guys are some of the first to go around.

Look at who was going to Egypt. Look at who was going to Egypt. Before, we look at Egypt and we're like, oh, Napoleon and all his savants, who were Rosicrucians and Freemasons, by the way. Little known fact, Napoleon was the Grand Master of the Rosicrucian Lodge before. Who told me that? Shit. I put it in a video years ago

in my Ancient Egypt Mystery Schools videos. In fact, we have Napoleon's collar in San Jose, California, at Rosicrucian headquarters, in the Staff Research Library. years ago in my ancient egypt mystery schools videos in fact we have napoleon's collar in san jose california at rosicrucian headquarters in the staff research library his his uh yeah it's like it's like an apron but a collar which is signal on it is you probably google search napoleon's collar and collar it's probably one of the photos that i took yeah you know napoleon it was a dual agenda the typical historical narrative is that he was trying to expand trade routes, went into Egypt, and you know, he, you know, him and all of his savants,

these were astronomers, mathematicians. These were Freemasons and Rosicrucians. The other aspect of this is they were going to look for the routes, oh, top left. That might even be my photo. Um, that's Napoleon's collar on display at at in the rosicrucian staff research you would wear that yeah there's a b you can't see it but in the top right in the white maybe if you zoom in you can see it as a hidden b which was a crest a symbol it's hard to see at first yeah zoom in there you go. It doesn't go farther.

In the white area, there's a bee. It's hidden. Bee was a symbol of transformation and also working the unit. There's a lot of symbolism behind the bee. In fact, the Egyptians incorporated it. So, you know, to determine somebody was a king in hieroglyphs, we can see that they have a Nisubiti title before the cartouche nisut bt it's the sedge and the b which is thought to represent the two lands upper and lower egypt but also represent the dual function of the king meaning the pharaoh's role as an administrator because

see the kings of egypt their office was not strictly political it was dual it was also spiritual divine it was divine they were shaman we don't call the ancient Egyptian pharaohs shaman or shaman but they were shaman they were accessing the divine they would go through initiations and coronations like the Heb Sed festival to keep their crown where they would have to go and connect with divine statues that they believed were living stone statues because they had the ka the priest would do certain rituals to the statues so that it would... And really, stone is just a lower vibrational frequency, right? The Egyptians viewed stone as living. Their statues were living stone statues.

Their view was that of animism, where the whole world... It's completely different from the way we view things today. We just see this dead stone there. For them, in a sense, it was a lower vibrational frequency. And then that's the mineral kingdom. Then you have the plants, which feed on the mineral kingdom then you have the animal kingdom which feeds on the plants and then you have humanity which feeds on all of it we are we are a part of all we have minerals in us we also have the stardust in us but um yeah you know so the ancient egyptians

viewed their temples as living stone structures that like all things in creation are continual so that's why the temples would grow out and they would always be consecrated on sacred space and so that's why they chose specific shapes now i have a whole other idea when i say this could come from source is because i'll share a quick personal story please when i was in the yucatan studying the and i have videos about this in my youtube channel the symbolism of ushmal when i was at ushmal and i noticed the freeze and a lot of the the symbolicifs, they were geometrical designs, brilliant geometrical designs, absolutely mind-blowing by the Maya. But then you start looking at some of

the key, it looks like the Greek symbolism. Then you wonder, oh, was there a cross-cultural thing? You know, as a whole thing, people are trying to say, you know, because we find images with beards, although there's a good case to be made that indigenous people did have beards, but they're trying to say, you know,

somebody from outside civilized them. What I noticed is, I was in Northern California. I went to this festival, music, hippie music festival. You at a hippie music festival?

That would never happen. No. No shot. It's been a long hey it's been a long it's been a long journey from the hood in boston to my northern california yeah you are an interesting so interesting background guy so when i became a hippie and i was trying to expand my consciousness trying to get myself up out the hood and educate myself i um you imagine going back to charlestown and being like yeah i'm trying to expand my consciousness they'd be like get the fuck out I do it all the time it's I try to talk to him

about this stuff I'll go back to the hood and be like guys listen there's this whole cosmological and it's just like a deer in the headlights all over what the fuck is he talking about like he he's no longer heterosexual so look when we're when I was at this festival i you know there's some guy who's offering a cacao you know cacao is like like cocoa yeah cocoa where we get the cocoa bean the maya cultivate the mayans we have we have the maya to thank for cacao yeah someone else told me that yeah i don't know the story but someone else told me this whole story to it another day another part yeah don't worry so basically they would also use cacao uh indigenous ceremonies include uh vision vision quests using cacao they would use cacao to trip out and get access to to the they must have been

having a lot of cacao they've made a lot of pyramids more than egypt over 2 000 of them just in in in the yucatan alone has dozens and dozens of pyramids anyway in fact we can get into this is another story the the pyramid i found the uncharted pyramid not on any tourist map that rivals the size of chichen itza you found a pyramid yeah so no one knows about it yes and no no one ever hears about it people do know it exists now and so uh aina the international it's the you know the authorities of mexico they're aware of it but it's not if you look at any tourist map it's not on any map you don't really hear about it there's only two or maybe three academic publications on it a university had studied it only once before

um that was my uh you know that was actually my honeymoon my wife and i had got married in the yucatan at the site of ushma by a maya shaman who it was a traditional maya wedding ceremony we did at the pyramids we were the first couple to do this there ever uh and then our honeymoon it wasn't hanging out on the beach you think any xt is going to sit on around on the beach with good ancient mysteries to explore we we unfortunately you know my wife we came together through our interest in her medicism and alchemy. So she's already in this stuff. And she's indigenous, so she really understands indigenous traditions.

So we decided to spend our honeymoon, a couple of weeks, going around the Yucatan in Mexico. Not just going to the tourist sites and showing up and paying a ticket but trying to explore real explorers looking for obscure and uh often overlooked sites and really examining them in depth so we were like going into the jungle few people do this people go to the archaeological sites you'll see stuff on youtube but few actually go and do real explorations and so i knew somebody that owned a plot of land in egypt he had several hectares and there was word there was a pyramid in the jungle so we went to go explore it um we went at night originally i had a whole i i never put this out on youtube i need to make the youtube video this is like yeah this is great 10 years ago we i had an artist design in the my wife is uh laura croft me is indiana jones with the dreads in the background

we had the pyramid it was called uh escape uh any any uh indy next and karina croft in the adventures of the missing pyramid uh subtitle attack of the killer bees because when we went there to this pyramid we actually got attacked by uh well she did she got stung multiple times i had to bring her to the hospital we finally it was dark it was we we had to go through the first we had to go through a jungle just us two no guide no nothing and and you're going through the jungle and then um when we get in direction we believe the pyramid is i start hearing noises it could be wild boar it could be jaguar who knows likely not jaguar because a lot of people in the area but maybe we've been there

when jaguars have been in the area and they have to hunt them they're hunting you usually uh and so yeah we get to this massive pyramid which which really what's significant about it the top of the pyramid has a megalithic lintel the maya aren't really known for megaliths they have some big stone but this is an unusual thing and has some unusual rounded masonry unlike you see elsewhere contours and such um and it's still most of it's buried if you look at it from one angle you just think it's a giant mound you wouldn't even know but it's it's a 100 legit pyramid that's not fully excavated and when we get there we start climbing up and then the bees come and we start running out of there and she freaks out and she gets stung like i don't know 20 30 times um and i actually one of the one of them die and fall off or i get it i take a picture of it i was

going to document all this bring it hon i'm getting a picture suck it up well no i took the bee because well they followed us they're chasing us all the way back and then and then i forget how we even ended up getting that bee i don't know if it was in her clothes or i forget how we but we had the beaks i wanted to show the doctor to be like is this a killer bee this is what stung her you know what what because we didn't know what was going to happen she got stung and she got very sick right away she had like a bad allergic reaction so I'm like rushing out of the jungle I swear it felt like an Indiana Jones adventure we find this pyramid we're attacked by killer bees you know we go to the we go to the car I rush her to the hospital and peace day. She goes overnight.

They give her an injection. You know, I show the doctor the bee. He didn't know what to say about it or whatever, but she's supposed to be fine. Yeah, and that was the end of that mission until the next morning when we're talking about it. And she said, let's go back. I was like, all right. So we go back now in daylight earlier, second attempt. And I document the whole thing.

I'm filming it. I filmed us running away from the bees that the camera was rolling the whole time none of this is staged you see it all happens in real time and then um i go i finally get to the peak of the pyramid she didn't want to climb all the way up the top uh i would say again the height rivals chichen itza um i don't know the exact dimensions of the height again there isn't much published on this pyramid but i found a lintel with inscriptions. And before I learned how to read the hieroglyphic language, which I'm still learning, the Maya language. The Maya were really my first.

I was going to write a book on the Olmec and the Maya years ago. And so I started studying the Maya language, which is very difficult, very hard to read Maya glyphs. Why is that? Fuck, it's incredibly hard to learn, I think. Egypt, it's like if you focus on egyptian hieroglyphs for three months you're gonna learn how to read hieroglyphs that's why i'm asking because i don't know it got up but not there's so many more symbols in the placements and like it was just very difficult for me to comprehend uh it took me i got all the books i was reading i know some of

them i could go and be like oh i know this means this and this is that but maya to read my the maya language is far more difficult in my opinion than studying hardless but anyway i did notice a sign that looked like the symbol for um ekbalam and what may be a ruler or a queen so i took this now you've had luke luke uh says his mentor is dr ed barnhart correct before Correct. Before Luke even met Dr. Ed Barnhart, years ago, I had contacted Dr. Ed Barnhart. I mean, this is... Yeah, he's like the guy.

I know from studying... He's a serious Mayanist. He has some alternative ideas of his own, which are reasonable to conjecture. He's been featured on Ancient Aliens, but he's never said anything wild. And now he's in Graham series. He's a serious source. studied under uh linda sheely so this is important in the maya world she was an art historian who helped decoding you know she's part of the whole

um part of the whole movement that forwarded everything in mayan studies and so i contacted him i had been following for years i was very i knew who all the players were the academics who's writing papers because i was reading everything i know he was around he was selling the maya calendar he had a website he did podcasts so i reached out to him i knew he knew the language and he confirmed that these hieroglyphs may be relating to the queen of ekbalam which is a site um north of chichen itza and peace day with this pyramid is. So there's a connection and there may be more to it. This isn't fully worked out. I think there's only one university, Penn State University, if I recall,

and there's only been one or two publications on this site. I didn't know that at the time. And I came back, I'm like, fuck, I discovered a pyramid. This is, you know, it was over a decade ago. I was a little more naive. I discovered a real pyramid. You're not discovering anything new. The authorities know about everything.

They've scanned, they know, the locals know where everything they've scanned they know the locals know where everything is already and then the authorities know where stuff is it's difficult to find something new and maybe little things here and there are buried yes but for the most part they know far more than we know um and so they I found out that you don't see it on any map but I did find uh you know when I've dug into it it did exist and i posted on facebook and another fellow researcher you know hundreds of people like the post nobody had ever seen the site it's just one guy that studies the maya really well and he knew he was like oh it's a kill and i was like it killed he knew it he knew it and he was like yeah i'm surprised how would you

know you're surprised i even went there and then that's when i from there went in and i realized there's a couple of things that were published on it, but few know about this pyramid. Yeah, the ones I wonder about farther south are the uncharted ones in the Amazon. My buddy Paul Rosalie's been on the podcast three times before. He's obviously lived down there for 19 years. like, you know, secondhand tales that seem to have legs to them about there being pyramids deep in the Amazon that are protected by the uncontacted tribes that, you know, could have all kinds of implications there. They also might not. They might also just literally be pyramids that these uncontacted tribes are around.

They might not even be pyramids, but they could be terraces or structures, too. Sometimes we see a terrace structure and we're like, pyramid. So it's really how do we define what a pyramid is is pyramid really pyramidal it comes from the greek word pyramidos which means fire in the middle you know but i i've seen images from the amazon of stone structures stuff that's out there yeah and i'm sure there's more that we don't know it's such i i think there is for sure i'm in league with the idea that there might be more that we can find there yeah paul paul talking about this is what gives some credence to it to me because paul is like the ultimate skeptic he thinks all these fucking people talking anything any conversations like this he's like yeah okay my type of guy yeah he's just like all right dude

relax back it up so when he's and and he's still like ambiguous about it. Like, I don't know. But – Good attitude. But it's interesting because the Amazon is so dense, man. And the history there from just like a Mother Nature perspective is insane. But real quick, I just got to run to the bathroom. When we come back, we got to talk about this Emerald Tablet I've been looking at all day and the Luxor Temple as well. We keep putting that off.

So let's get to that. All right. We're back. You were just saying off camera that 15, 20 minutes ago you got off the one story about the cacao and what was going on there. Let's just fill that in real quick. Yeah, yeah. I seemed to go on a tangent. Sorry about that.

No, it was good. Yeah, well, I was telling a story about the time I went to the festival in Northern California. And so as i mentioned i'd been to mexico i would lead tours of mexico i've done explorations there and i could see all these geometric reliefs when i was at this festival uh i stopped at this vendor booth to get cacao which it comes from the coca bean and it's like i thought it's gonna be a cacao milkshake you know i thought it was just like i thought i was taking some nutritional drink and everything safe with these hippie guys who have a higher consciousness.

Safe with these hippie guys. Bad story. Well, you know, in truth, it was, you know, I know a lot of people in Northern California, and they do tend to have a higher level of consciousness when it comes to health. You know, so I was just trusting the fact that everything's organic and fresh. And it was. It's just that I don't know how he prepared his cacao but he did it likely in the traditional way um because there are indigenous traditions that use cacao for vision quests you know a lot of people know the ayahuasca or san pedro wachuma you know what have

you um but cacao can induce mild um can you can have quite you can you can receive visions from cacao apparently as i have experienced yeah so what happened so i'm drinking this shake and you know i thought everything was fine i thought you know and i'm walking around and literally within minutes i look up to the sky and i'm like oh man i don't feel good if i want to pass out i start dripping with beads of sweat and i'm looking at the sky and i usually don't i'm not a person to get visions like this. But I had these visions, and it started to look like gears turning and like geometrical shapes. And they were very similar to the geometrical shapes that I see among the Maya and elsewhere. And I'm like, and then I got really sick, and I ended up vomiting and passing out for a while and woke up.

There you go. Hippie festival. So then it dawned on me after the fact, I was like, fuck, man, I was really sick. I was like, but, man, I must have been tripping because the sky just started turning into these geometrical shapes, which remind me of the stuff I've seen in ancient civilizations. And I'm wondering if this is the missing key

to why a lot of these um you know a lot a lot of these principles thoughts ideas symbolic gestures make their way into different cultures around the world oceans apart you know um were they all tripping off drugs or were you know the thing is i hate hesitate to say tripping off drugs because they're supposed to be medicine right it's it's plant medicine is a sacred act and it's supposed to get you foraman, they're getting in touch with the divine. They're going within, and they're accessing the immaterial we see it with the Maya? Why do we see with the Greek? Why do we see it elsewhere and it basic, you know, geometrical patterns your squares your triangles And then the different, you know forms that can come out of that but the end of the day forms as they align with numbers Again, these are universal Principles there at the core of everything where we're still using the square to enclose a space

We still even though you can have different interpretations for a triangle, it's pointing up, it's denoting up. And when it's inverted, it's pointing down. It has a meaning. There's, there's multiple meanings of that symbolism,

alchemy. It means something different, you know, but ultimately at the core, it's usually the same thing. Uh, material pointing up to the spiritual and spiritual coming back down into the material,

that eternal cycle. Uh, and so, yeah, I just started to wonder if, you know, cause these indigenous, pointing up to the spiritual and spiritual coming back down into the material, that eternal cycle. And so, yeah, I just started to wonder if, you know, because these indigenous, it was through indigenous traditions and Western esoteric philosophy and ontology that sometimes it differs from our more scientific, deductive, rationalized Western view of things. If they were receiving the information from the divine if they were receiving information from creator perhaps with the help of plant helpers you know because it's the shaman i see it's the shaman who goes out and eats the mushroom for the first time trips out has visions and comes back and communicates to the tribe to raise the vibration of the tribe

to help the people out you know what i mean and so that's uh i'm wondering if these visions you know these ideas are coming to him or the other and i'm not sold on any one idea the other the other concept is also like what i was saying before as humans we all face the same problems we're likely going to arrive at the same conclusions i i do this all the time i think i was the first one to find a parent i think i invented this idea or i i think i was the first to do this then you go on the internet you're like oh i'm gonna put out this video on this rare oh fuck this guy already did it three years ago you know like we arrive at the same conclusions it's amazing that in today's world of over eight billion people with human

history how even if you said it was shorter than people like to think it is however long it is which is a long time and all the internet connecting us with all these ideas from the way someone phrases a tweet all the way to research that's existed for thousands of years like the idea no pun intended that we can continue coming up with new fresh and original ideas to me is something i think about so often because i'm like, wow, it really is exponential because you think everything's been done or most things have been done. Like every, you still, to your point, you still will think of stuff and you'll be like, oh my God, that's crazy. And then you'll type in what you just thought on Google and it's like, oh, a hundred results. And you're right. It, that does still, that does still happen. But like on the other side of it, I'll think of something and I'll be like, that's definitely been done

before. And I'll just something random, not anything like, no, it, I'll think of something and I'll be like, that's definitely been done before. And I'll just something random, not anything like a note, but like I'll type it into Google. I'm like, oh, that's never been said before. Wow. You know, like it's a crazy thing about the about shared information today. Well, that's it. You know, we're all going to be faced with the same challenges and problems, arrive at similar conclusions. And that's could be the reason why, you know, you see step pyramids in Egypt and Mexico.

We know that there are tombs in Mexico, for certain. There's no debate on that. We know that? Yeah, you got the tomb of Pakal. You know, they found, they have found bodies inside. Whole different story. We have Pakal, you know, Pakal was found, interestingly enough, with jade in his hand.

One square cube and one circle. Geometrical shapes. Square and circle. Squaring the circle. These are Masonic concepts, too, by the way. I don't know if you find it. But, yeah, so we know, and we know when the pyramids are built. Like, you know, I think Billy Carson has stated the pyramids, the Maya and Mesoamericans didn't build the pyramids. They were thousands of years before the aliens and Toth built them. Not true. We know the pyramids were built by the Maya

because of the debris found inside the core structure of the pyramids. When they, looking at the ruins of the pyramids, they could find debris that they could actually, you can't radiocarbon date stone, but you can radiocarbon date the organic material inside stone and we can look at the pottery and be like oh we know this is the pottery from a certain period we know this trash dates back to a certain period and it all aligns with the preponderance of evidence that would suggest that they did build the pyramids um so yeah and so and then when you look at the big picture you're like well maya was doing it and they're using the shape it's roughly like a triangular shape trying to reach the heavens or the above you know you want to have some dominant um you know shape to connect

see i don't when it comes to pyramids as tombs i think there's something more it's possible the bodies weren't in there the entire time that's why we don't find bodies it's also possible that they were looted it's also possible that our understanding of a tomb is getting in the way of the ancient egyptians understanding of their function for the pyramids. Those stone sarcophaguses or stone boxes may have just been used symbolically or energetically in a way that we don't fully comprehend today to hermetically seal the energy inside. When they found that stone box inside the pyramid, one of the pyramids of sakara not the joser pyramid one next to it um it was still sealed it had gypsum on it and when they opened it up nothing

was inside so if it was looted and they took the body why would the looters go through the trouble of sealing it back up so it's quite possible and why would it be sealed in the first place to contain the energy that's in there and they may have been we're not viewing things in the first place to contain the energy that's in there and they may have been we're not viewing things in the way like this energy is sacred right here the way but for the ancient Egyptians it was this is a sacred space they may have done incantations and rituals you know to that box and put things in take things out and then sealed it this is a special sacred thing that we need to function for the afterlife you know that is part of the afterlife process because you find the same thing in the deeply mysterious serapium which is for a long time is also sakara which for a long

time alternative historians have tried to make a case for it being the product of a lost civilization can you explain what this is to people yeah so the serapium or serapium depending on what pronunciation you want to go with is uh an underground structure at Saqqara that has some passages and some niches, we'll say galleries, niches. And in these cavities or niches, enclosures, are boxes. Many of them granite, different types of stone. Most of them are graniteite really big boxes So people make a big deal about this stone so caught we would say sarcophagi Some people say well, I don't want to call them sarcophaguses because we don't know for certain somebody was buried in them

But they're massive they're bigger than what a human would fit in there They're big and the polishing techniques are somewhat mysterious because we don't have the techniques of the polishing And people would make a case for how they move those big boxes in the first place how would they fit because in some of the uh enclosures or the i don't say niche because it's more than a niche but the chamber that it's in there's not a lot of room on the sides uh for somebody to work and fashion the stone right so how did they do it well Well, it's all, it can be explained. It's reasonable conjecture. You can check out, when you want to really research and look at both sides unbiasedly, there's alternatives to the alternatives. And there's channels like

Science Against Myth or Sacred Geometry Decoded that have made excellent presentations of how they could have actually done it. And people will be like, well, we don't know. We do know, actually. It's just people don't like, well, we don't know. We do know, actually. It's just people don't look into the archaeological record. Some fellow researchers of mine, and I have to shout out the Ancient Presence YouTube channel, they actually went and got the French archaeological report from Marriott, who was one of the early Egyptologists

that explored the Serapium. He went there because earlier in history, Strabo, a geographer and historian, he wrote about an avenue of the Sphinxes that's at Saqqara that led into the Serapium. Okay. And so later, Mariac goes there to look for it. The Sphinxes are missing. And we don't know where they are. They're probably still there underground today.

Some ground penetrating radar or some testing or somebody looted them years ago and they're gone. In any event, he stumbles upon the serpium falls into it but when he goes into it it appears like it had already been looted before he got there he finds these giant stone boxes um and then he also finds on the ground the you know the we talked about how moving stone they would use rollers he found wooden rollers and it could all be achieved it's possible that they could have moved the stones there's no debate about that. In fact, he even demonstrates how he lowered the stone into the chamber using sand hydraulics, where they would remove pieces of wood with the sand, and it would allow the thing to sink down into place.

And that's how he tested it for himself. So moving the stone is no mystery. People will say, oh, well, these are, you know, much older, they're the product of a lost civilization. Well, everything you see today pretty much is a tourist inside the Serapium is not all that the Serapium or Serapium offers. The oldest extent that we know of traces back to the New Kingdom. It was the work of Amenhotep III, who also built the Luxor Temple, we'll talk about in a minute, or commissioned it. Amenhotep was first doing it with wooden boxes, and they were used for the Apis bull.

So these weren't human burials, they were Apis or Apis bull burials. What is Apis? It has to do with the Serapium. The idea for the Serapium, okay, so there's one part of Serapium that's underground. This is the old New Kingdom part part started by Amenhotep III. They're using well restored. They only let you see the rest of the Serapium, which is much later. It's the end of the New Kingdom, and then the Persians dig out a tunnel, Darius digs a tunnel, and then the Greek Ptolemies come in, and they expand more of it. Most of the boxes you see are Persians and late Greeks. So people try to say this is all pre-dynastic. No, it's actually very late in Egyptian history.

And how do we know? Because if you dig into the archaeological record and you read Marriott's report, we can see how they move the stone. But also at the Louvre exists these stela, little stone tablets that they took out of the Serapium that Marriott removed. When you're in the Serapium, and I've heard other guides explain this to their groups as there's like these little niches. It looks like a U-shape right like a niche a bunch of them on the wall and i've heard other guides say oh that's where they would have put their lights they would have put light fixtures in there that's because even those guides aren't reading egyptological context you know guides will go to a guide school they study egyptology for two years they learn how

to read hieroglyphs and they learn the basics and then they go out and that you're a guide it's the more advanced so you can't went oh this egyptian guide said it they're an egyptologist in a sense but they're not a phd degree they haven't they haven't dug deeper and and so um when you look into the record and you realize that marriott actually moved the the steelers that had fallen on the ground at the time to the louvre and on in the louvre we have the accounts from the Ptolemaic Greeks themselves talking about how long it took to move the stone, how long it took to fashion and carve out the Serapium. And for many years, alternatives have said,

this is probably the product of a lost civilization. It's not. We literally have the ancient Egyptians, very late Greek Ptolemaic, ancient Egyptians themselves telling us how long it took to fashion the entrance, to move the box in, and how many people it took, and all the accounts are all there. And not only that, we know who every single mysterious box is attributed to. People make a big deal because they're big, and they say, oh, they're like 70 tons with a lid, another 30 tons, these mysterious 100-ton boxes. They're not. I've had engineers

take a look at it. They're likely probably more in the realm of 40 tons. The lid is maybe another 30. So you could say 70 in totality, roughly speaking. And so, you know, when we look at this, we have a lot of the pieces already. We already know from the Egyptological record what's going on. It's not old. It's actually very late in Egyptian history. And we even know that they were assigned to certain kings. Each chamber that holds a box was assigned to a king. Not for the king to go in, but the king's apis bull. The bull, the cow, they were venerated in ancient Egypt, even in pre-dynastic times.

The big one in Egypt, the big god, was Hathor, from where we get the word Horus, which Horus's name is Hetheru, which means house of Hathor. Or I'm sorry, Hathor means house of Horus. Hether. Hether is hut, is house. Her is Horus, house of Horus. Which then becomes Hathor in English, and then her son horus she was the womb of horus why was she the womb she was the mother she was the cosmic principle of nourishment they believe that the milky way um well look hathor was the one that basically nourished uh she was often likened also to aphrodite by the greeks so she you know love and magic and what you got to realize is she was a sacred, divine, feminine principle.

There's different aspects of that. You have Isis, or Iset, which represents the magic and the love. You have Sekhmet, which is the warrior and protector, the fierce lioness. It's the untamed female. Then you have the tamed cow, the nourishing cow, because the cow gives milk, and it's about nourishment and fertility.

You have Bastet, the cat. They're all aspects of one sacred divine feminine principle. Hathor represents like nourishment in a sense. And so cows, bulls were venerated in ancient Egypt, so much so that the priesthood would look for a specific cow. They call it the Serapium, which is a Greek name after Serapis, which is a syncretized version of the ancient Egyptian god Osiris. And then also they add Ptah into it. And their god Serapis, which they put together, which comes from the Apis, the Apis bull. Okay, so this happens. This isn't uncommon.

When the Ptolemaic Greeks come in, they syncretize some of the old Egyptian gods with their previous Greek gods to form new concepts to explain these cosmic or natural principles. And so what these boxes are effectively are Apis bull burials. But in the new part of the Serapium, many of the lids were left on, even though they're eluded, they never found a body of a bull inside. But we did find remains in the old Serapium. There's a little known Isopium right next to the Serapium that nobody talks about. It was consecrated to Isis. But we do have some remains from bulls. There's a little known isopium right next to serpium that nobody talks about it's consecrated to isis but we do have some remains from bulls there's a lot of controversy around this long story short it's not it's not the product of lost civilization the stones we know can be moved we have the egyptians themselves telling us how how long it took to move them how long it took to fashion everything and then you have on these tablets that were originally, you can go to the Louvre and look some of them up online even, and you can see, you know,

the accounts. And so they were attributed to different pharaohs because each pharaoh was assigned an Apis bull. And the priests would have to go and get us a very specific bull. This is what I mean by their understanding differs from ours today. They would have to look for a bull with a, guess what, a geometric figure, a triangle. It has to have a white triangle on its head. Otherwise, it's not down. And so what it represents is the god Ptah, who was the architect of the universe. He was the god of the architects and the masons, breath of life across the waters.

He was the animating principle, Pata, the fire principle, the initiating principle. And so Pata would incarnate or manifest in the physical form of a bull, if he had that symbol. If the bull had that symbol, it was considered the living manifestation of Pata. And they would venerate this creature. And eventually they would sacrifice and make an offering. And it wasn't like a brutal, you know, bloody bloodbath. It was actually, they would take their time. Even today, with some of the ceremonies in the Middle East, like you see, they whisper like prayers into its ears. And they fold the ears over the eyes and they give it a peaceful death. Basically, it's a ritual killing.

And it's not to murder, destroy something. It's a way of one nourishment for us, and then a way of bloodletting in a sense to give back to the gods. I am giving this bull to you, you know, God Amun or Pataz, an offering. And so the Apis bull specifically, and they would fatten these cows and they'd be part of the processions, like the Yopet festival, they would bring all the cows into the luxor temple to be slaughtered for as an offering to our moon but this cow was a divine the ones that would have this mark would be a divine creature and every king had an apis bull you know that was buried so and but but then you realize when you're going there was a transition where they used to do it in wooden sarcophagus to stone

and one pharaoh is is basically like we know it's attributed to this pharaoh because right when you walk in the serapium to the left there's a lid with hieroglyphs on it and explains how the pharaoh is ordering you know the finest stone for the first time the best of the best and then that tradition continues on with the darius the persians and then the greeks after them and then it stops and then there's a mystery because there's one of these big stones in the middle of the Serapium. Everybody's like, why is it in the middle? It's likely it was left behind because it was at the end of their, because we have it all the way up to Cleopatra. We believe that the last box belonged to Cleopatra, maybe her father, but every one of them is identified with a specific Pharaoh. So we know

far more than a lot of alternative researchers who cherry pick certain information are actually conveying the serapium is not as old as people think it is the serapium was for apis bull burials but there may be more to that process maybe they were just put the bull in there for a specific period of time or even slaughtered the bull in there and that act was considered sacred then took the bull out and put the stone lid on top of it and that was sacred sacred act took place here and we're trying to hermetically seal that energy because maybe for them i'm just throwing stuff out here maybe for them that's pretty riveting that energy helped facilitate the afterlife i do believe that it's very likely that the ancient

egyptians viewed the pyramids in a sense as a tool to help facilitate with the afterlife process now whether the king stayed in it entombed in it i can't say same thing you know with the apis bull burials uh it could just be to contain some sort of energy but i do think that bodies were likely interred in these because it's just there's so many so that could be at least one thing from it or the only soul thing yeah gotcha that was really good i was like i was mesmerized by a lot of that but i keep looking at this all day and we keep putting it off we got the emerald tablet i showed it in the first episode it's very cool like you guys can't really see on camera right here but it's like when you put it under the light it's translucent so what what am

i what am i looking at here what you're looking at julian is a replica of the emerald tablet you're looking at the emerald tablet well replica of the emerald tablet. You're looking at the emerald tablet. Well, not exactly the emerald tablet, because there is no emerald tablet. We don't even know if a physical emerald tablet ever existed in the first place. So what is this? This is, well, one, it's written in Phoenician dialect, which reads from right to left. And the reason for that is because around the time that we think the emerald tablet was conceived, this is what stone, the way stone cutters would have likely been using it in that region around the Mediterranean probably would have been Phoenician dialect if it had existed. And based on several accounts that we have of the emerald tablet, how the glass looked melted and

stuff, this was crafted. This was commissioned by an artist. It was sanctioned by the International Alchemy Guild. And originally, it was an operative alchemist, one of the few people that is still performing actual alchemy or has and studied alchemy in Prague, and author Dennis Hauck. If you want to learn about the Emerald Tablets, you can go to the academic sources. Or if you want to get a more easier to understand version, you don't want to dig through all the text, you don't go to Billy Carson. You go to Dennis Houck. You come to NEXT. We had started to talk about this in the first episode and got off it. So that's a good refresher here. But what were Carson's – Carson said there's multiple tablets, number one, right?

And what are the other issues with his claims okay so let's distinguish and i i was the first person on youtube to make this distinction and call out i didn't actually call out his name but i had talked to him at the time and if you go back there's a lot of researchers on youtube instagram tiktok now they're all saying the same thing that i it came from my original. I was the first one to publish a video on this almost half a decade ago on the Emerald Tablets of Thoth the Atlantean Priest King versus the Emerald Tablet. I wanted to make a clear distinction because one, I was one of the first people taking pictures, photos of the Emerald Tablet online. If you go back and you Google search Emerald Tablet, years ago, I was the only game in town. All the images of the Emerald Tablet was me.

It's my hand holding the tablet in my backyard. And you would see those images in blog articles, thumbnails on YouTube. None of these people have ever reached out and asked me if they could use it. And I don't mind, because I don't really care much about ownership mentality. I never got the credit,

but I was one of the first ones putting that image out there. But what I noticed is a lot of them were referring to the emerald tablets of Thoth, the Atlantean, when they're using my image. And I'm like, I had already known because I had done the research, as I was confused in the beginning. I had an interest in alchemy and hermetic tradition. And so I became in Rosicrucianism, which is an heir to the alchemical tradition. And so I started studying. In fact, at the Rosicrucian Museum, there's an entire alchemy exhibit that goes through the whole alchemical process, all the stages, they've got all these artifacts in there. And they have the Emerald Tablet replica on display because the Emerald

Tablet is a fascinating and deeply mysterious piece of philosophical you know history it is the basis of the western esoteric tradition why do we say that we say it because it's at the basis of the hermetic tradition which gives way to the alchemical tradition and then alchemy and percolates all the way through the mystery schools to all the way down into the Renaissance when they start bringing these ideas back out, esoteric ideas, right on down to the turn of the century when you have like the golden dawn and esoteric organizations into modern day Rosicrucian and Freemasonry. It's come down a long line. Many of the alchemists in the medieval ages

referenced the emerald tablet. In fact, they had copies of the text. They would hang copies of the text. They would all have the emerald tablet. It's so important because it serves as the basis for alchemy in the Hermetic tradition, which basically is the big part of the root of Western esoteric traditions. And why is it the basis? Because it's not even so much the tablet itself. It's what's on it. It's what it says. In fact, you could probably pull up a translation. There's been many translations.

Many scholars throughout antiquity have translated the Emerald Tablet. And so I would, this is good. Dennis William Hauck is a good translation. This is more current. I've done one too. I can't transliterate because I don't know how to read Phoenician. But through interpreting the principles, I've done a good translation. This is more current. I've done one too. I can't transliterate because I don't know how to read Phoenician, but through interpreting the principles, I've done my own

translation. But this one is very good, right? It talks about in truth without deceit. So saying this is true. There's several rubrics on here, and each one of them is part of the alchemical stages of alchemy. And that parallels, in a sense, stages of cosmology. I keep using the word cosmology. Some people might not know what that is. Cosmology, study of the universe, it's a story of coming into creation. It's the one becomes the two, and to the three, to the four, to the five, to all the way up to the ten, and return to source, right? So how we come into creation. And so the story of the Emerald Tablet, well, the original Emerald Tablet, there's an Emerald Tablet of Hermetic tradition. You had asked me what the deal is with Billy Carson. Billy Carson wrote a book, The Emerald Tablets of Thoth. I don't know if that's

the exact title, but it's about the Emerald Tablet, a compendium to the Emerald Tablets, where Billy Carson claims to have deciphered the ancient texts and writes about them in his book well i've looked at the book aside from all the grammatical errors and what appears to be a bunch of cut and paste blog articles which don't provide any support to his overall thesis a lot of interesting information so you read it and it's like a yes ladder in politics a yes ladder is when a politician's running and they're like are you tired of paying taxes yeah are you tired of not listening to the julian dory podcast well vote yeah vote for me and you know it's a yes ladder well you know alternative historians will do the same thing they'll plant seeds of truth they'll sprinkle in uh universal truths and then it'll be easier to accept an idea after you've

gone yes yes, yes, yes, this sounds fascinating. Yes, this is what I believe. Yes, this resonates with me. And so there's a lot of information in his book that doesn't actually support the actual thesis. The problems I have, the issues that I take with his work is that it's 2018. I heard, I think the book was just published, and he was on a radio show, Jimmy Church radio show, and he said, Sir Isaac Newton translated the Emerald Tablets. This is where we were in the last episode that we got off. It's truck month at GMC. Tackle the open road with added confidence in a 2025 Sierra 1500 Pro Graphite at 0% financing for up to 72 months with an available 5.3 liter V8 engine,

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So let's set the record straight today. Okay. The Emerald Tablets of Thoth the Atlantean is a book that came out in the early 20th century. It was written around 1926. It might have got republished a little later. You had to change it. It was by an author named Maurice Doriel, or in some instances, he refers to himself as Dr. Doriel. Although he's not a doctor, he never even got a PhD, barely graduated high school. He said he was a child prodigy, but that's not what his grades reflected. He also said he had been to Egypt and where the priests in the pyramid, you know, he connected with them about the emerald tablet where they're hiding the emerald tablet.

But it comes out later. And I had done some extensive research on this. It turns out he'd never been to Egypt. He has no stamps in his passport. His wife or significant other at the time ended up exposing him later and being like, this guy's never been't you hate that yeah god they go bad don't they so so um you know we know that doriel and and more than that something i can bring to the table this hasn't really been covered anywhere else you're going to hear this for the first time on the julian dory podcast another exclusive baby i found in the archives at the rosicrucian headquarters in san jose there's something that was known as uh the journals

this was for the rosicrucians were published published uh publication known as the digest and you could you you don't have to be a member of the order to get the digest they're for free the rosicrucians make so much literature free online that most of the secrets are out you just got to look for them um but they had a journal so this was for members actual initiated members who are you know rosicrucians in this journal state it's proprietary it stays within the organization i'm letting the secrets out but in the interest of fairness shout out to my friends at the rosicrucians um they have now made this available in their library which is now open to the public so anyone can gain access to this today and in those journals we can look back and there's actually accounts from harvey spencer lewis

the first imperator writing commentaries about doriel the author of the emerald tablets about how there's been a lot of claims how there's a guy that's moved to colorado and how he uh is a former rosicrucian and how he was a high up in the rosicrucian order and he's starting his own mystery school and they refuted everything basically doriel probably became a rosicrucian in the beginning stole a lot of the secrets ran off to colorado maybe to appeal to a bunch of soccer moms i don't know like gaia and so um more credulous audience and so who just want to you know yeah i understand yeah so basically uh he first tells everybody that they got to come to his compound his mystery school because the world's going to end and they'll only be safe with him and he wrote a

bunch of different things you know uh and that time came and passed nothing happened he was trying to compete doriel was trying to compete with the rosicrucians who were a big initiatic esoteric order at that time he was trying to make his own version of the rosicrucians and there's a concept in esoteric traditions known as the great white brotherhood it's much deeper and philosophical it's like atlantis sounds a little uh it does it's terrible because people will think about that it's like the ku klux klan that's not what's going on here although in some cases to be fair there were certainly racist ideologies in western esoteric traditions you don't say i would have never guessed yeah well you know why people were racist at that time yeah oh my god so and still

are and in fact many of us are today racism is such an interesting thing because you know, people were racist at that time. Yeah, oh my God. So, and still are. And in fact, many of us are today. Racism is such an interesting thing because, you know, who really gets to define and draw the line? Like, you know, we all come up in a social construct. You know, I don't consider myself racist. I grew up in a multicultural neighborhood, but I would also say that there's aspects of me because of conditioning and through society that I may be viewing the world based on some of these old ideologies. We get and so racism can be very subtle so you might not you

know like somebody of another color intentionally but you know there could be things that you do that could be likened to it anyway a whole other subject so there were these racist ideologies and concepts in esotericism but it isn't about that the the white light it's the light in the dark it's it's not about race so although there's been a lot of instances in the western esoteric space where people tried to say you know there's a aryan or uh you know white progenitors bearded white men who travel the earth and they're the ones who taught everybody about pyramids and seeded the culture and anyway um so doriel harvey spencer lewis and parody of the rosicrucians writes about doriel basically being a charlatan literally calls him out for the order and is like you know

and then doriel finds out about it writes to the rosicrucians oh no that's not me it's not me it was him and then harvey spencer lewis addresses that we've known all along that he's defected from an esoteric tradition tried to create create his own tradition, and borrowed the concepts of Western principles in Western esoteric societies and put that into of this created a book called The Emerald Tablets of Thoth, the Atlantean Priest-King. And he ties it to Thoth because Thoth is herald in esoteric tradition because he was the principal of cosmic wisdom. He was Jehuti. He was the god of the scribes, you know, the intelligent one. And so, you know, D'Oreal would be familiar with the works of Mladen Blavatsky and many others. In fact, there's cases where it looks like he kind of plagiarized some of these works, maybe changed a word or two around a little bit.

But for the most part, he's basically lifting knowledge that already exists, principles, putting them into his book, calls the book the Emerald Tablets of Thoth, claims in the beginning, claims that it came from the priests in Egypt, that they were hiding, you know, those tablets in the pyramid, and none of that. Fast and loose with the truth. Fast and loose with the truth. And then he gets called out by the wife, and then the story changes. He channeled it. And then, you know, now they're channeled. Some people will argue, hey, I've read the Emerald Tablets of Thoth. I did too. I read them very early on before I even knew about Dr. Maurice Doriel, whose real name is actually Claude Dawkins. So his name isn't his

name. He's not a doctor. He doesn't have the education he claims. Doriel sounds better. He hasn't. Yeah. Well, that's a pen name he wants to go by. We'll respect that. I'm N-E-X-T. I would appreciate if you refer to me as N-E-X- you know and it's not uncommon in esoteric tradition to have a pen name you know right we talked about that earlier aristotle um a lot of these guys anyway a lot of these apocryphal works of groups of people writing in the one school of thought so um so i'm not i'm not mad at that you know the name thing but there is you know the idea that he plagiarized a lot of stuff took ideas put them his book, and then he's claiming that he went to Egypt. He never did.

He had to – and there's a whole story to it. Long story short, Billy Carson, who's interested in ancient aliens and sees himself being on the TV show one day, is online, starts his forbidden knowledge Instagram page, which I've been following very early since the beginning. Like I said, back in 2014, 15, Billy started coming into our Adept Initiates group on Facebook when it was active. It's kind of defunct now. And so he started seeing a lot of these esoteric ideas and probably came across this stuff. And there were sites like CrystalLinks.com, which he cites as a source. CrystalLinks.com was a site that took a bunch of alternative, the work of alternative historians and put it you know online so if you want to learn about anything it's all there but a lot of it

is not good scholarship it's just what alternative opinions basically and that's where you find information about you know uh the the emerald tablets of thoth and thoth and stuff so i think that billy had likely found information online didn't do real research, didn't do academic research. I'm willing to bet Carson Prye doesn't even know who Homeyard is or who Ruska is. And these are the scholars, the academic scholars. I've never heard him reference these people. And these are the guys that worked on the Emerald Tablet. And so, you know, what he does in his book, it's supposed to be a compendium of the Emerald Tablets.

And he claims that Thoth is an alien entity. you know what he does in his book it's supposed to be a compendium of the emerald tablets and he claims that though thoth is an alien entity and it uh the emerald tablets have this stupendous history that goes back 30 000 years 35 000 bc and it both built the pyramids and designed the tablets and hid the tablet in the pyramid and spread all the tablets out and it's all based on doriel's book he took the information which is a sham itself it's not a verifiable source not once have I heard Billy Carson actually cite anything from the academic sources the actual scholars who worked with the original well one he can't on the emerald tablets because there is none there's no study around the emerald tablets of Thoth

because it's the figment of the imagination of doriel in the interest of fairness people will read the book but i read some powerful stuff i learned a lot from those as i did because it has universal principles in there doriel took the information from esoteric organizations and put it in his book so there's good information in there, but the narrative itself is not actually verifiable at all. It didn't exist. I would challenge any viewer right now to go out and find a single written account anywhere in the world that mentions the Emerald Tablets, plural, before 1928, you won't. Because on this planet, there isn't a single reference to Emerald Tablets because it was created by one guy. So that brings us to the actual historical Emerald Tablet of Hermetic tradition, right?

Which this is supposed to be a replica of, which is, you know, this is purely speculative. We can't even say it looked like this. It could have been much smaller if it had even existed. We don't even know if they exist. We don't even know if it, the hermetic tablet existed. Yeah, and what would this be based off of then? This is based

off of the texts. So what we do have for evidence of the historical emerald tablet of hermetic tradition is a series of texts. Many of them come out in the medieval times. You know, in Europe they start getting accounts about the emerald tablet of hermetic tradition is a series of texts many of them come out in the in the medieval times you know in europe they start getting accounts about the emerald tablet from the arabs in in egypt and so forth because they were already writing about this stuff right books like the katab um you know the book of balina spalinus the wise uh there there are a

number of writings that came out a lot of it is rooted in a single book and the the academic authority on this the academic scholar who first researched this home yard early maybe 1921 to 28 somewhere early 20th century he found in the what is it katab balayness hakim anyway it's the Arabic name. Basically, the book was entitled The Book of Balinas the Wise. It gets read, multiple translations. They make its way into Europe. You have Seville and Philippa.

Anyway, you get different scholars going to Spain, and eventually it finds its way all throughout Europe. Different translations of the Emerald Tablet. And the story goes back to this Arabic text. It becomes a book for kings. It later becomes rebranded as the Secret Secretorium or the Book of Secrets, which was part of a book. It's a piece, an appendix, effectively, in a book for advice to kings. So it's legit. The kings were reading about the Emerald Tablet because of the principles inside in the back of this book.

But then along came another researcher in the early 20th century, Ruska. I'm probably slightly mispronouncing his name. R-U-S-K-A. And what he found is the earliest written account of the Emerald Tablet. Where was that he found it as a recension in another one of these books he found it in a library it was like water damage nobody was paying attention to these books and it was like uh again and an addition an appendix or ascension to a book in the back of the book and the account comes from sergius of nablis which is in palestine when i was just in jordan i could see it And the account comes from Sergius of Nablus, which is in Palestine.

When I was just in Jordan, I could see it over the water where Nablus was. Sergius of Nablus was like a fifth, sixth century themeritagist. He was a healer, a priest, mainly a priest, let's just say priest. And so he was a priest and he's writing a commentary about the emerald tablet which he's saying in the story what he has he's saying that comes from apollonius of tyana tyana is in modern day turkey apollonius is we think that it is likely balinas or balinas in arabic so when they talk about the book of balinas the wise they're referring to apollonius is, we think that it is likely Balenus or Balinus in Arabic. So when they talk about the Book of Balinus the Wise, they're referring to Apollonius of Tyana, who was a contemporary with Jesus Christ. He walked the planet performing miracles. He was part of the Therapeuti, learning from the ancient Egyptian mystery schools, the teachings that come out of that about healing by touch.

In the same time frame as Jesus? He's a contemporary of Jesus, first century AD. Did they know each other? I don't know. Anybody's guess. Did Jesus really exist? I don't know. I'm just saying.

I'm going to get a lot of Christians upset, including my parents. Jesus could be an archetypal principle. Jesus could be representing astrotheology. There's a lot of narratives that have come out about that. I've never heard a good argument, though, about him historically not existing because of all the records we have of him. We don't have his bones, allegedly, but that's it. Everything else points to...

So what you're saying, Julian, is based on a bunch of stories that people say historical accounts yeah now you're going my route and in a court of a court of law that's called hearsay and it's not good evidence it's he said she said oh it's not good evidence it's not good evidence when there's not a a large scale of it when there's a large scale of it then it becomes good evidence that's where i would are because you're, like, you know, if you've listened to me on previous podcasts where we discuss anything related to not just Jesus, but anything that's ancient history, I always talk about how there is the human fallacy of, you know, the whisper down the lane, things change, right? So when you write down records, even 20 years later or something, in a time where there's no internet,

no sharing, no able to go back and research it, yes, things change. So I time where there's no internet no sharing no able to go back and research it yes things change so i certainly think there's all kinds of holes in and particularly the jesus story but as a historical figure i've never heard a good argument for him not historically existing uh so personally i would lean on the idea that someone named jesus walked the planet and then a lot of written accounts were written about him and that perhaps things got conflated stories got changed if i it's that that old game if i whisper a secret to you and you whisper to him, and over time it changes. Now when you put thousands of years in between that and you put different agendas and humans, it all boils down to intentions.

What are the intentions of the people writing the stories? All I'm saying is that we cannot, I'm not saying this is what I believe, I'm just saying that, well, I do believe that it is a fact. We do not have direct conclusive evidence that Jesus actually existed in the context we read about. What we do have, like you said, is a preponderance of accounts that would suggest he did, which likely did. But hey, when you go to Egypt, there's a whole bunch of stories about the biblical family, Jesus and Mary coming through Tannis. Yeah, I've heard some of these before, yeah. In the caves,

and there are stories that the Egyptians tell, you know, for tourism. And it's always been that way. And people tell stories for tourism. You want aliens? I know local Egyptian guides will tell you aliens. You want a lost civilization? They're not supposed to.

They're supposed to stick to the academic paradigm. But, you know, for a little baksheesh, a little bit of money, oh yeah yeah the pyramids yeah they could be product of atlantis that happens so and then and then and then you go back and you're like well this egyptologist uh tour guide told me so it must be true and then he tells somebody and then and then you've got 50 youtube videos so now there's a preponderance of evidence so it must be true i see what you're saying man don't believe anything

that was written by a man or woman because it was written by a human and humans have different intentions you're you are right and you're you are literally preaching to the choir on this particular type of subject matter because i bring this up all the time the place where i struggle with it is then do you not believe anything right is everything an unintentional lie right because stories get changed over time right it's not like someone's blatantly trying to do it and then other people are blatantly trying to change history it's like history is written by the victors for a reason i get that but it gets real complicated because then you get to well what can we even believe about anything with all this

stuff and and yeah i mean i i'm gonna when it comes to any major historical figure like not just jesus but you know people who are part of massive culture shifts and stuff like that pythagoras sure but yeah maybe bigger than him but like my but sure like my the burden of proof there is going to be on the people trying to say they didn't exist sure for sure because there's just way more evidence to say they existed now like my friend tommy g talks about he's like i'd love to know what jesus was doing between 13 and 31 right the story's not really there and there are certainly questions there's a story there first imperative

rose christian order javi spencer lewis wrote about the mystical life of jesus christ where you know these years in between how he studied in the ancient egyptian mystery schools and and so forth the question is sometimes people can take books like that literally and not understand that things are it's like the atlantis problem right when it comes to atlantis the question is not where is atlantis rather what is it right yeah and so if you're not part of the initiated elite if you didn't go through the degrees of knowledge you you might assume Atlantis is part of a geographical location because the way Plato describes Atlantis, so specific detail using historical places in some events and, you know, to craft this story. But what isn't well known is that Plato, well, one, we do know Plato was an initiate. He himself says he was an initiate of the Egyptian mystery schools, right? Yeah, he does. So he was, all the classical Greek authors, you know, we credit the Greeks with architecture and art, but almost all the classics say they got

it from the Egyptians. And in the case of the Atlantis story, the oldest written account about Atlantis goes all the way back to Plato. He's the first person to write about Atlantis, and he's saying that his elder statesman Solon, a few hundred years before him, hundreds of years have passed already. There's a story that trickles down for hundreds of years. He's saying Solon went to Egypt. There's absolutely no evidence that can substantiate the fact Solon had been to Egypt. We don't know that with certainty. Plato says Solon went to Egypt and went to the Temple of Sais, the Temple of Anith, I believe, in Sais, and spoke to the Egyptian priest Sanctus, which is an odd name for an Egyptian. And when you put this into context, people think about Atlantis and Egypt. This is very late in Egyptian history. This is like 25th, 26th dynasty, somewhere around there, where the Nubian pharaohs were ruling and then Babylonians, Syrians

come in and then some local Egyptians in the north and chase them out. And they're the last indigenous Egyptians until the Persians come in, take them over, and then eventually the Greeks come and you have Alexander the Great in Ptolemaic Egypt. But there was a lot that shifted around. There was a lot of knowledge that came in. It's quite possible the Atlantis story and the principles contained in the Atlantis story came from out of Egypt. It could be Babylonian. It could be, you know, the ideas have been merged over time, I'm saying.

And then the thing is, we don't even know that this event happened. We don't know for certain. We have no proof that Solon went to Egypt other than Plato said so. And Plato said, Solon said. That's double hearsay. He said, she said. Plato said, Solon said. He went to the temple and than plato said so and plato said solon said that's double hearsay he said she said plato said solon said he went to the temple and this is what it what what people don't realize about um initiates they may write it's like a symbol i could put this we talked about this i think the other episode where i could put the symbol of uh you know a bear the russian bear

and uncle sam and it's going to mean one thing to a guy flipping burgers at McDonald's and another to a PhD in political sciences. Same thing with writing and concepts. With Atlantis and the esoteric traditions, people have different concepts of Atlantis depending on your degree of understanding. So it's understood in academia that Atlantis is an allegory by Plato, and I do believe that's the case. And in fact, my mentor, the late great John Anthony West, a lot of people think he believed in Atlantis. He really not in the way that people assume he did. He would refer to it as the A word him in shock because it was like a polite way of not saying Atlantis to piss off the academics who wouldn't take them serious because the academics won't take atlantis serious because the academics believe it's an allegory not a historical event and so john anthony west was also of the same opinion i am and that is that one and he's mentioned this how a lot of these atlantis hunters are drowning in their own diluted waters trying to chase and look for atlantis you would say atlantis here, Atlantis there, Atlantis damn near everywhere, because there's a theory for it in Crete.

There's a theory for it beyond the Straits of Gibraltar. There's the Rickshack structure theory. There's Atlantis in the Azores. There's Atlantis, America was Atlantis. You've got a theory for every continent when it comes to Atlantis. But when you're looking for a place, you're not going to be looking in the right thing you're not looking in the right direction you're actually you're chasing a ghost because plato was an initiate and there's good evidence to substantiate the fact that it was very likely around the time

that he may have written the critias and the timaeus the dialogues of plato that he was actually um sicily or part italy sicily anyway he was around the Pythagorean mystery schools. And Plato pays homage to Pythagoras before him. And Pythagoras had the Pythagorean mystery schools. And then out of Plato come the Neoplatonic and Platonism, which are also mystery schools. And so when you're writing what I refer, Atlantis is an initiatic narrative.

Atlantis is a cosmological metaphor, and it has to do with the music of the spheres and the way that harmonic ratios interact with number. Music of the spheres. Music of the spheres was a concept from the Pythagorean study, the music of the spheres. They believe that there was this sound that the planets made that we can't detect with our ears. And those harmonic ratios correspond to number. Remember I said number is form, function, and process? Number is, all music is number.

If you learn how to count your bars, you know, if I want to be an MC or a rapper, I need to know how my syllables are going to fall within the bar of the beat. One, two, three, four, one. Music is based on, and what is music? Music is vibration. So everything, the metaphysical makeup of man is based on number, which cosmologically comes in a sequence. So this was a way for, you know, and so they kind of talk in codes uh initiatic societies will use words and phrases and say things that only the initiated elite someone who has gone through the degrees the candidate who's become an initiate and has developed a wider comprehension would fully understand in the same way that a phd degree doctor you know isn't just a nurse assistant he's going to understand surgery in a way that you know a nurse wouldn't um because

you're studying and you're learning how to take on multiple perspectives and look at things in different ways and you're enhancing your understanding of a concept so when you just throw throw it out to the general public the uninitiated and you talk about atlantis being a place you're going to assume atlantis was a place but for the initiated elite who knows by the signature symbols that are embedded in the actual narrative oh i see that he's using pythagorean devices you know he's using concepts to come out of the pythagorean mystery schools if anyone's going to find atlantis it's going to be one a someone who is well acquainted with the mystery schools that is somebody who studies classical greek and moreover and that's what a lot of it is a lot of people who study this is like ah this

was just an allegory it's going to take also a musicologist a musicologist musicologist and there was one that few people talk about his name was ernest mclean and he was uh i think he was a professor actually at a university in new y. What made him a musicologist? He went through the degrees of studying music. He was a professor of music. He studied music. He might have been a musician himself. So he's a musicologist.

What is a musicologist? Somebody who studies music. That's a new term to me. Oh, yeah. Well, somebody who studies music theory, effectively, right? All right. So it's not deeper than what I was thinking. There was a deeper meaning to that than you were leading on. Well, like an Egyptologist studies Egypt.

A musicologist studies music. So for me, it's like, how do you explain this? Well, he studies music. I have a background in music, so this is why this appeals to me. Because I'm not only looking through an esoteric lens, I'm also looking at vibration, music. I'm trying to look at different things, but it's hard sometimes when we look into ancient world to determine music. But when we know that certain harmonic ratios correspond to

certain numbers, and numbers correspond to cosmological sequences, and when this is understood after initiation, you know that it's an initiatic narrative. I would say that the dream steel of Thutmose in front of the Sphinx is an initiatic narrative. I would say that the dream stealer of Thutmoseus in front of the Sphinx is an initiatic narrative. I would say that the original Emerald Tablet is an initiatic narrative. Sergius of Nablus was writing for the initiated priesthood and trying to do it in a way where he could incorporate also concepts of Christianity so that we can make sense of the ancient world. Atlantis is an initiatic narrative written by an initiate, Plato, who was influenced by Pythagorean mystery schools. Ernest Maclean, in the back of a book, it's called Atlantis,

Egyptian Genesis. At the back of the book, Ernest Maclean, this isn't his book. They featured him at the very end, and he breaks this all out. In fact, I'm going to make a YouTube video on this and my concept of what I think Atlantis likely is, and I'm going to break it all down because it's very complex. It would take like a 30 to 50, probably a 50-minute dissertation in order to really explain it. In short, it's going to happen. It's going to happen soon. In short, it's a metaphor for cosmology, and it has to do with balance and order. And really, it was a lesson for humanity and humility, learning about reconciliation of opposites, bringing everything back into balance. It was about universal harmony. And if you don't have a balanced society, it's going to fall apart. And he uses the Atlantis narrative to tell this story. And I'm going to show, like when they talk about the years, Plato says it goes back to this year. All those numbers, whenever you see number in ancient narratives, there's usually deeper meaning. Because if you understand number, you understand what we believe are the genders, what are the qualities of each

number. When you get into the qualities, the deeper esoteric aspects. So a lot of the old writing, even in the Bible, a lot of of bible is allegories and when they're talking about certain numbers and we're like how could somebody live 600 years it's symbolism it's symbolic and these were all initiates of the mystery schools and all this stuff comes out of egypt and and elsewhere ancient civilizations so this tablet the Tablet, the oldest written account that we have, that we know of, is Sergius of Nablus' commentaries, 5th century AD. However, Sergius is referencing Apollonius of Tyana, and he's writing a commentaries on Apollonius where he's saying that Apollonius talks about the discovery of the Emerald Tab. Okay. He was a young man.

As a young man, he was a prodigy. He was, but he was amazed at how much knowledge this guy had. His parents even sent them away. He came back one day, which would now be in modern day Cappadocia, Cappadocia. Sometimes I mispronounce it. Some people say Cappadocia. Some people say Cappadocia. It's in Turkey.

We go there during our tours. And so in Cappadocia and where he lived in Tyana at the time, there was a statue of Hermes. Hermes was a Greek god. He was the messenger. He's later syncretized with the Egyptian Thoth, or Djahouti, rather, which becomes Thoth, and Hermes Trismegistus. There was a statue of Hermes, and Apollonius was curious by the statue. You know, he connected with the statue. He'd look up at the statue. There's something special about Hermes for him. And one day he comes back and he's admiring the statue. He falls asleep.

Keyword, sleep, at the statue. Remember, I think it was in the other podcast I referenced how Thutmose falls asleep at the Sphinx. Meditation, gnosis, channeling. Apollonius goes into an altered state of, well, instead of sleep, I think it's best viewed as an altered state of consciousness.

And he receives a message, which he says is from the statue, which tells him, dig beneath my feet. Where have I heard this story before? The Sphinx, Hormachet, tells Thutmose to clear the sand away from its paws. You know, very, there's common themes that you find in initiatic narratives, which have deeper meaning usually. So then Apollonius, you know, he wakes up and he starts basically shoveling his way down there under the Hermes, it's like, if you want the truth, look beneath my feet. So he starts burrowing his way in. What he finds is a passage into a sepulcher, I might be mispronouncing that word. He goes into a corridor and opens up into a chamber and before him is the remains of a man seated on a throne, holding an emerald-colored tablet with some texts in front of him.

Apollonius gets this stuff, and basically after this, Apollonius starts, I mean, there's documents and writing. He was in a meditation at very specific times of the day, like when the sun rises and the sun sets, because the effect that is happening on earth, it all corresponded. He would be into specific stones, just like we find in the ancient East Hindu traditions, like they would, they use stones in their astrology and their meditations to have certain effects, healing properties. He was known for his talismans. He traveled the world and he healed people by touch. He performed merit performed what people would say are miracles. He has a lot of parallels to the biblical Jesus Christ. He walked around the earth performing miracles and all of this.

So, Apollonius knew something. And what he knew, he learned from the emerald tablet in the books before him, which is about the cause of creation. So, why the emerald tablet is important is because, one, it's at the foundation of the Hermetic tradition, which becomes alchemy, which blossoms into the esoteric traditions we have today. But moreover, because of what's on the emerald tablet. The actual text, which we had a translation of on the screen, contains a formula. and the formula is thought to help excel the consciousness of humanity right because the formula is the basis for alchemical experiments like when they were doing physical alchemy they would use this formula one of the things to point out about alchemy real

quick though is it wasn't all physical it wasn't about transmuting lead into gold that was symbolism they're real alchemists. They're operative alchemists that did experiments and did that. And they'd call them puffers because they'd spend all day puffing the flames, not realizing the deeper esoteric meaning. The gold is a symbol for illumination, higher consciousness. It's the same concept in Freemasonry. You're polishing your rough ashlar. A mason, a master mason isn't the one who extracts the stone out of the bedrock. A master mason is one who knows how to polish his fine stone, his philosopher's stone, right? And so

I'm not a mason, but I would say I'm a traveling man who knows his way around the block. And that has to do with you take a rough ashlar and you're perfecting it. That's you. You are a living, walking, breathing temple. You're a mystery school school you have to keep a clean healthy body to inhabit the gods you have to perfect yourself to become the best version of yourself that's what masonry is all about it's about making men better men right uh and companionship and and so forth anyway so a few other things too and a few other things like what well we don't have to worry about it yeah so you amazing no i didn't think so. Anyway.

No secret societies for me. Yeah. They're interesting because it's- They're interesting to talk about from the outside. Why are they secret? Honestly, on the outside, you know, when I was a teenager, I thought they were all ruling the world and the Illuminati is going to be a one world order and they're all going to take over. And as I got older, I realized, you know, one world order isn't actually a bad idea.

If we were all speaking the same language- God, you were doing so well for like six hours new world order you're going off you're going off the rails now new world order i'm just saying hypothetically hypothetically imagine a situation what do you think that like we won't have nothing and you'll be happy yeah well no it's not nothing no that's not the intent of a new world order we're gonna go way too yeah it's got yeah well the whole idea of if we all shared one language one universal understanding understand break down barriers it you know yeah it's a utopian i'm gonna get crushed in the comments they're all gonna say i'm the illuminati now

they're gonna say that yes okay so but just know that it boils down to one's intentions and if the intentions of forming an order is for the good of humanity, that would be good. If it's to control humanity, that's bad. And humans are very imperfect when it comes to groups and the groupthink that emanates from it, which is why things like that don't work. It's why we still, like, I'd love a world without war, without any war. We have way too much war.

We do need to tamp down on that, fully support that. But, like, that's not really how the world works no when i as humans we haven't evolved to that or back to that higher level of consciousness this utopian society you know that was the dream but any any xt yeah i i actually gotta go we've been talking for like six hours there's way more on the bone we didn't get to to deluxe or temple so i'm going to direct people to your videos on that so they can get that in the bone we didn't get to to deluxe or temple so i'm going to direct people to your videos on that so they can get that in the meantime we're going to have to do this again at some point because like again like if i i have to do some stuff and it's like already they can

also get the book it's number one three categories on amazon right we're gonna have that link in the description we're gonna have the link to your youtube channel in description for people to subscribe we're gonna have to do this again but dude thank you julian one thing to leave people with on the emerald tablet just know that it could have been the work of sergius of nablis just creating this whole story we don't know with certainty there's never been an actual tablet to the best of our existence so don't believe the hype use discernment be a gangster and go to the source. Love it. This thing does look cool, though.

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