Julian Dorey Podcast - #286 - JFK Files & Mysterious CIA Hits linked to Kennedy Assassination | Louis Ferrante

Episode Date: March 23, 2025

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Hey guys, if you're not following me on Spotify, please hit that follow button and leave a five-star review. They're both a huge, huge help. Thank you. So basically, this guy now, he's pulled in, but that's not canceled, that trip. What happens is Diem in Vietnam is killed in a CIA-backed coup, which Kennedy is distraught about. He thought the CIA was just going to take him out of power. He didn't know they were going to kill him. Oh, they don't kill people. Kennedy pretended he didn't know.

Jesus Christ. Whatever the case is, I know. That's some naivete. I know. Well, defenders of Kennedy have sworn that he had no idea. Yeah. Okay. Right. So he cancels the trip last minute. He's got issues with Vietnam, cancels Chicago. And now there's one place where it's got to happen. It's got to happen in Dallas. And who controls Dallas? Carlos Marcelo through his Texas Borgata run by Joe Civillo and Joe Campisi. And who's one of the closest guys to Joe Campisi, the underboss of the Civillo Borgata?

Jack Ruby. Oh, that's right. I was wondering when he was going to come up. Jack Ruby has a steak dinner with Civillo the night before the assassination. The underboss of the, and Jack Ruby supposedly just did it spontaneously. You're reading with the underboss at his restaurant, having a steak dinner with him the night before Kennedy gets there. Sketchy. Yeah, at the very least, but it goes on with Ruby. So now just, just let's, let's rewind

one minute because I want to know, I want you and your listeners to know the hatred Marcello had for Bobby and why. So when Bobby wants to deport Marcello, he wants to deport him either to Italy, he's looking in Asia, he wants to just get rid of him anywhere. Asia? How would he even get him to Asia? Bobby was looking for anywhere that would take him and anywhere as far away as he could send him. It was by illegal means. Not legal means. You got to deport somebody back to their country of origin.

Bobby didn't care. That's the problem. Oh, he wanted to brown bag him and throw him in a truck? He did. So what happens is Marcello knows that if I'm that far away from my Borgata and my family, I'll lose control and I can't. The guy Marcello took over for, Silva Dalla Sam Carollo, that guy was deported back to Sicily, which gave Marcello the opportunity in 1947 to take over the Borgata.

Right. So he knows. He knows if I'm deported, I'll be like Carollo going from Sicily. Hey guys, don't forget me. We are forgotten. So he goes, I'm going to go right across the Gulf, and I'm going to go to Guatemala. And I'm going to phony a passport there so that I'm... Marcello's real birth, he's a Sicilian, but he was born in a Sicilian community in Tunisia.

So technically, Bobby's thinking at first before he thought of Asia or other places, he thought of either Italy, Sicily's part of Italy, or Tunisia. That was another couple of options. That's Africa. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. So there was a strong exile community of Sicilians in Tunisia. When they left for America, they went other places too. They went to South America. They went to North Africa. They were always looking for a better life. Sicilians are very industrious people and they pick up wherever they go. So basically now, Marcelo, he pays $100,000 to this guy called Noel, who goes over to the country of Guatemala and bribes people around the president. And they take him around in a limousine, a presidential limousine,

and they drive him through villages and they find a records book. The year and day Marcelo was born, they find a space and they add his real name, which was Colosio Minicore instead of Carlos Marcelo, which was the later American name. And they fill it in and they give his birth date and they put the, and then they take the records book to the state department in Guatemala. And they said, give us a passport. They got the guys on the inside. They bribe.

They give a passport. Then they get a birth certificate. Then they go back and they take the birth certificate. And Marcello's going, okay, at least if Bobby deports me and I lose this battle, because he's been staying in deportation for a long time. If I lose this battle, I'll be in Guatemala. I'm a quick flight away. My capos could come see me. My family could come see me and maybe I'll fight my way back, but I won't be far. It's a skip and a jump as opposed to cross the ocean. So Bobby knows this birth certificate was fraudulent. He knows it.

He finds out through his own sources that Marcello forged this birth certificate because he knows he's from Tunisia. Discover the exciting action of BetMGM Casino. Check out a wide variety of table games with a live dealer or enjoy over 3,000 games to choose from like Cash Eruption, UFC Gold Blitz. BetMGM.com please contact Connex Ontario at 1-866-531-2600 to speak to an advisor free of charge. Ben MGM operates pursuant to an operating agreement with iGaming Ontario. He knows where he's from. And he says, okay, he forged it. I'm going to fix his ass. The next time he goes to sign in at the Masonic Temple building where the INS offices were housed in New Orleans, he would have to go sign in once a month or whatever. I did that when I used to be on federal probation. I was on state probation. You sign in. So he's staying a

deportation order, but they want to know where you are. So he's got to sign in. He usually signs the book. You say hello to the guy, you tip your hat and you leave. Marcelo goes in to sign in and the guy goes, sit down. And Marcelo thought that was strange because he's like, this guy's usually friendly with me. Sit down. And then all of a sudden, these big goons come out of the back and they grab Marcelo, cuff him, and they throw him in a car and they rush him to Monsanto International Airport where there's a passenger plane, like a 78 passenger seat plane waiting on the tarmac with just a pilot and co-pilot. And they throw him on the plane. They toss him on the plane and he's on the plane going, this is it. This is it. And are they going

to throw me out? I was just kidnapped. Now with hindsight, we know that maybe Bobby and, and, uh, general swing, who was the head of the INS at the time, who Bobby recruited to help him with this. We know that Bobby and General Swing had no intentions of murdering him, but I made a very good case when Pinochet took over Chile. He had an Admiral Carvajal, who he said, look, round up all our political enemies, put them on a plane, tell them we could send them wherever they want to go. And once we get them in the air, just open the door and start throwing them out. So now today I say, I make the argument, we know that Bobby Kennedy and General Swing are not equal to Pinochet and Admiral Carvajal, but there's no way Marcelo could have known that. Don't forget,

Bobby Diem is dead in Vietnam. Bobby also and Jack backed a CIA coup that killed Trujillo in Dominican Republic. So it's not beneath them to murder. We just know that now Bobby wasn't planning to kill Marcelo, but that doesn't mean the Kennedys weren't okay with killing. And Marcelo thought he was going to be killed. So Marcelo is literally on the plane thinking, I'm dead. They just kidnapped me. They wouldn't even let me call my wife. They wouldn't let me get money, my toothbrush, nothing. And he begged them, please, let me call my wife. One phone call. And they're like, F you, get on the plane. So he gets dumped in Guatemala and he literally, he's a fighter. He didn't rise to the top of the mafia for nothing. Like overnight, he books the Biltmore Hotel. He has his brothers fly in with suitcases filled with cash and he's running a satellite office in Guatemala. And all the biggest businessmen in Guatemala are paying homage to him, homage to

him and visiting him and wanting to invest. Please invest with us. Right away. Right away. So he's running shit in Guatemala. He's going to the racetrack. He's lighting up a cigar. The president's okay with him. He's taken over Guatemala, which is Bobby's not happy about, but as long as you're out of the United States. The heat comes down on the president of Guatemala, probably from Bobby too. But the press leaks out. There's a mob boss in the A's having a jolly old time. And the Guatemala president says, look, you got to go. Now they escort him over the border to Honduras.

And that begins, he's with his lawyers. Lawyer goes, I won't leave you. So Marcelo tells his family, go home. Don't worry about me. I'll be all right. And he goes with his lawyer. He's got a suit on with snakeskin shoes and they have to trek. And he's a squat little chubby mob boss.

And he's got to go a 17 mile trek through the jungle. Through the jungle. He falls down a hill. Fucking snakes, all this Yeah. The jungle. He falls down a hill. Fucking snake. Saw this bullshit. Jules. He falls down a hill, breaks three ribs.

And he's telling his lawyers huffing and puffing on the verge of a heart attack. Oh, and listen to me. He tells his lawyer. If I drop dead, you go tell my brothers to do what they got to do with that. Bobby,

don't forget what I'm telling you. If I don't make it out of this jungle, you do, you tell my brothers to do what they got to do. Now, you know, the mob jewels, what is do what you got to do me.

That means whack them. But that is also, it's crazy how Marcello is a guy who isn't talked about in so much mob, Lauren, whatever. And his life is a fucking movie if I've ever seen one. I mean, these, these subplots, I mean, this is, it's like I could see a Netflix series. Yeah. And he ruled, I mean, he ruled in Louisiana, which has very interesting terrain, totally different type of economy and everything. Let me just mention something really quick. The Netflix assholes that take my books and use

my books, I'm going to kill them because I'm so tired of them reading my books. I'm dead serious. Who are they? I watch shows. I can't tell you how many- Let's call them out by name, Lou. Oh, no, no, no. Let me just say something. I watch shows that I see bits and pieces of my books, literally a line that's taken right out of my book. And I'm like, son of a bitch. I mean, what are you going to do, sue over a line?

But you know, you know that these guys, they don't know the life. They got to read my book. And then they translate it into paper. And no one wants to call you. By the way, there was one, I don't want to say it's a big series, that called me once. And they asked me a bunch of stuff. And they were trying to lead me to believe that they were going to bring me on as a consultant. They're such sleazebags in Hollywood. I get so tired of them, I got to tell you. But anyway, let me not go off on a tangent. Because if you ever hear a guy went postal in Hollywood, just bank on it. When they identify him, it's going to be me. Gotcha. Yeah. Because I'm like, you know, I think they just heard you loud and clear. Yeah. I had enough of them. So call me up. Do the right thing. Call me up. Yeah. Don't steal. Don't steal. I went to jail when I stole. You should suffer if you steal. You shouldn't steal from people. Listen, I'll get the Louisville downstairs.

You and me will go break a couple kneecaps. Don't steal from people. Don't worry. Don't steal. So anyway, that said, so Marcello works his way out of there. By the skin of his ass, he makes it alive. He gets back to Louisiana, and Bobby now doubles down and gets him for a legal reentry and charges him with federal crimes through the Louisiana prosecutors.

What year is Bobby's AG at this point? Yeah, he just became AG. This is within the first year. Okay. This is all happening within the first year. So now Marcello starts making threats. I'm going to kill Bobby. I'm going to kill Bobby.

I'm going to kill Bobby. Is he sitting to kill Bobby. I'm going to kill Bobby. Is he sitting in jail? No, no, no, no, no. He gets out. He bails. He bails. But Bobby put suffocating liens on Marcello's family. He left them with no food in their refrigerator. All their checking accounts were frozen. This is Marcello's wife and kids. Yeah. A tiny guy with no food, that's a tough blow. Tiny guy, right.

And you fucked with his family. Right. Right, or Martha, right? So now he starts, at some point, his threats towards Bobby Kennedy start to be directed towards Jack Kennedy. And at some point, a couple of guys around Marcelo go, what are you going to do with that Bobby?

You're going to kill him. And he goes, no. Cut the head off the snake. The dog. Yeah, the dog, not the tail. Right. The dog will keep biting you if you just cut the tail off. You got to cut the head off and the tail dies, head and tail together.

So that's the first thing he says. Then on another occasion, he said, if you kill Bobby, his brother will send out the National Guard to get us. If you kill Jack, he can't do shit. His brother's disempowered in a split second. So now he starts to talk and he's gearing his angst towards Jack. And now he wants to kill Jack. And now he knows. Now, at the same time, this is happening. This is the perfect storm. Yeah.

This is the perfect storm. This is during all the Cuba stuff. During all the Cuba. During all the Cuba. But my question was going to be, when does Trafficante? Well, Trafficante now is getting heat too. He's pressured. His wife's got liens against her.

He's being threatened with all kinds of prosecutions. So Bobby's coming after him too. Bobby's going after him too. He's pressured. His wife's got liens against her. He's being threatened with all kinds of prosecutions. So Bobby's coming after him too. Bobby's going after him too. Bobby subpoenas his wife. He's not happy about that, Traficante. And he's being strangled. So now at some point or another, as the mob feels that they need to kill Jack in order to get rid of Bobby or they're going to be dead. Bobby swore he's going to wipe them off the face of the earth. They're the enemy within, he said. He wrote a book about it called The Enemy Within. He considered them a cancer within the United States that's worse than any foreign enemy. So now they feel they got to kill Bobby, I mean Jack. At the same time, the Cuban exiles have gone from the mascots of liberty to enemies of the Kennedy administration who are being locked up on land and sea. They hate the Kennedys.

And what did they have to do with Carlos Marcelo and Santo Chafacante? Only the fact that after Kennedy defunded the exiles, which originally was like, there was like 200 million dumped into the exile effort to take back Cuba. Now in a minute, they're defunded. They're walking around with cans going, you got a nickel, you got a dime. They don't know how to get money. But Mr. Moneybags is making a billion dollars a year. So he starts underwriting them. Marcello does. And Traficante's underwriting the camps in Florida. Marcello's underwriting the camps in Louisiana, Lake Pontchartrain. There's Cuban exile camps.

And all of a sudden, the exiles are getting closer and closer to Marcello. And the exiles, whenever you consider the exiles, don't forget they're rogue, let's say rogue CIA agents, ones that despise Kennedy, but let's not call them, it's not John McCone who's in charge of the agency. It may not be other CIA agents, but there are a few who think that Kennedy's actions are tantamount or inaction with Cuba was tantamount to treason twice. Those guys trained the exiles. They felt the exiles were let down and they despised Kennedy. So let's put them into the picture too. And these are the forces brewing all at once against Kennedy. And now you got Hoover, who knows that if Kennedy gets a second term,

he's out or may be smeared as a homosexual along with it, which was unacceptable at the time. So now you have Hoover kind of seeing all this stuff as it's happening in real time through top echelon informants, through eavesdropping devices and going, I didn't see and hear anything. So, okay, very good. You got Dulles who was forced to resign. Whatever's happening in his agency or his old agency, he's really not that really concerned about it either. Let it happen. So you got a lot of people who just despise the Kennedys, who just need only step back. And then you have the initial, the ground cabal. Who's in charge of the cabal on the ground? When Carlos Marcello is indicted by Bobby Kennedy for illegal re-entry,

Carlos Marcello's attorney has somebody who works for him. And that guy's name, he's a dogged investigator, but a little bit of a lunatic. He's a contract agent for the CIA. He does experiments, cancer research in his apartment where there's like 5 million mice running around the apartment. Totally normal. Totally normal. Totally normal. He was once like, he was like a fake orthodox cardinal of this, like, this, like, um, offshoot religion of the Catholic religion, but the Catholic religion didn't recognize them. So, like, he's into, like, a lot of spiritual stuff, a lot of the occult. Um, he's a convicted, he's been charged with pedophilia. Just the full gamut.

And he's completely opposite of anything you would ever think marcello is a traditional conservative mob boss who's like when he first landed in guatemala this woman took him in who was the general who who accepted him at the border at off the at the airport he said go home with my secretary and he was so embarrassed to sleep in the bed with her he goes i don't have any pajamas i don't know how to sleep in the bed with her. He goes, I don't have any pajamas. I don't know how to sleep in the bed with another woman. Like he was like real like prudish. And he's hanging out with this guy who's a pilot who takes young boys up into his plane. Supposedly he was accused of this on a number of occasions and he molested them. Right now that guy was close with Lee Harvey Oswald in the civil air patrol many years before. And he knows Oswald and hangs out with Oswald still.

And Oswald and him have been seen at training camps that Marcello funds. And all of a sudden now that guy is now starts working for Marcello on this case that Bobby brought against Marcello, David Ferry. David Ferry was known. He was very, he despised Kennedy. He felt he first kind of like when the CIA was playing around with backing, making sure that we back Fulgencio Batista in Cuba against the rebel Castro, but also sending Castro a little aid just in case Castro wins. Oh, they were hedging. The CIA did. At the same time, Ferry was involved with that.

So he kind of hedged too. But when Castro got into power and went full Marxist-Leninist- They said, fuck that, we're out. And Ferry despised Castro. He hated him. So he really, really... And then when Kennedy dropped, he wanted Castro dead. And when Kennedy dropped the ball at Bay of Pigs and the missile crisis- Ferry was pissed. He was running around telling everybody he should die. He needs a bullet. And that was Joe Pesci and JFK. Yes. Oliver Stone's movie. Yes. Yes. So now at that point,

and by the way, Oliver Stone did a great job on that movie, but he discounted the mob's role completely. He just left them out of it. And that's like, I think his own myopic vision of what the mob was at that time. He's maybe thinking the mob now. Yeah, the mob wouldn't have anything that big. Nobody would work with them today on a level like that. But back then, you need some- Oh, they had insane power back then. Exactly. And it was before the CIA was willing to kill on their own.

The CIA was always getting- Well, yeah. I mean, at some point, I think there's a sea change. Yeah, they liked having, I guess, at some point, I think there's a sea change and- Yeah, they liked having, I guess you could say like- Proxies. Yes, proxies, a little deniability. Exactly, exactly.

And at some point, I think the CIA made a huge move to say, you know what? We got ex-military. We could do these things ourselves. We don't need anybody's help. But at that point, it's what you said. You need a little plausible deniability. They were kind of just wetting their feet with, you know, it was new. It was just towards the end of the Eisenhower administration that they're really, really

ready to make this dive into killing international leaders. They tried to kill Zhou Enlai of China, Mao Zedong's right-hand man. They tried to kill Patrice Lumumba, who was killed before they got the kill. Oh, yeah. We did a podcast on that. Yeah. It's very interesting. So they're kind of going full speed, but they're doing it through other people.

With Lumumba, with Zhou Enlai, they're using people to do... Somebody else planted the bomb on the plane with Zhou Enlai. It was the wrong plane. Innocent people were killed. With Patrice Lumumba, they were trying to do it through people on the ground that weren't necessarily CIA, but they were going to deliver the toothpaste to him. You know, like that had the poison in it.

So this went on and on. And I think at some point they go, all right, let's stop working with proxies. Let's just do this. You know, I mean, we got SEAL Team 6 that they're all unemployed. They're 55 years old. You know, they're not SEAL teaming it around no more.

They can't even swim these fat guys, but they could kill. You know? So, you know what I'm saying? Like, not to take anything. I'm 55. I'm not taking anything away from them. But, you know, I think they went full speed ahead on their own at some point. So they're still using the mob at that time.

They felt like, look, they tried to use, why should it surprise us if they were trying to kill Castro with the mob, that they might want to kill Kennedy with the mob? Why is it shocking? Yeah, it wouldn't be shocking. Right? It's not that huge of a jump. So at some point, Ferry was at a party and he said to people who were present, hey, look, it's tough to kill Castro. We can't pull it off. He's all the way in Cuba. We could kill Kennedy. He's right here. He said that at a party. And he also said something really interesting. Who do you say that to? Present were, present were a guy named

Perry Russo, who later came forward during the Jim Garrison investigation, which was Kevin Costner and Oliver Stone. Yeah. Was Clay Shaw around during this being said? Clay Shaw was supposedly at the party, although he never admitted it, but Perry Russo did. And Ferry said it to these, there was a leftover, there was a few Milton Cubans leftover after the party broke up. There was Perry Russo, there was Clay Shaw. And he said he said look this is how we're going to do it a triangulation of fire we'll lure him into we'll get him in a kill zone and then we'll hit him with a triangulation of fire well we all know triangulation means three right i guess triangle well we all know there's at least two the book depository and the grassy knoll

you can watch the sapruta film. You can't deny it. His head went back. I mean, hello. I don't care how many times they tell us, oh, that's from the book depository. It was a magic bullet, Lou. Right. Come on. It can fly.

It can bend. It can move. It went through like fucking 12 people. Defies the laws of physics. Yes. There's no such thing as physics. Yep. This is a hit.

Yep. That's right. There's no physics in hits. And that's that all-inspector, by the way, of the Warren Commission. That's right. Rest in peace, Arlen. Yeah, exactly. You lion sack of shit.

Yeah, die, drop dead, burn in hell. Burn in hell. Yeah, burn in hell. I used to listen. That guy would do a weekly call on WIP Sports Radio when I was growing up, and I had no idea about his come up and how he had been the magic bullet guy. I learned that later I'm like yeah the sweet old guy on the phone talking to Angelo Cataldi yeah I'm like son of a bitch yeah yeah so so the just we should go over the magic bullet just for your listeners right so the magic bullet the Warren Commission which later is

tasked with basically all we're going to get to the bottom of it, but that's not why they were formed. They were formed to kind of dispel all the rumors and stuff and just dump it on Oswald. Well, they got a major problem. And I know you know this, but there were more shots fired in a short amount of time than Oswald is able to pull off with a bolt action rifle. Right. So they have to come up with a magic bullet that makes left turns, right turns and goes through Kennedy and Connolly. Connolly later goes,

there's no way in hell you can't run enough tests. All inspector went to Texas. He's running all kinds of tests. And Connolly goes, you can't run enough tests to put, to convince me

that that bullet went through Jack's neck and into my, about my ribs, hit my wrist, bounced over here, ended up on the gurney. That never happened.

And when they finally, when one of the guys from the Warren Commission told Johnson, I don't believe it. Connelly don't believe it. Do you believe it? He goes, hell no, I don't believe it. That's Johnson, who we even wonder if he was even part. Yeah. I did two episodes, 170 and 171 with my friend, Joseph Scott Morgan, who's like the death investigator. He's the guy on every channel talking about this. And he is from New Orleans. So he grew up there. And even before he became a death investigator and got all that expertise as a kid, he was deep on this whole thing. He basically spent his whole life on the Kennedy assassination from a forensics and investigation standpoint. And he came here with like a full binder and shit. Oh, it's got exciting.

And it was amazing. But all this stuff you're talking about, like he broke it down technically beautifully. And it's just like, you hear this. Incredible. You hear this and you say to yourself, how could you ever think it was just Lee Harvey Oswald? Right. Yeah. Oh, by the way too, I think we may get something in the document dump. I'm always wondering about the Daltex building, and it's not talked about enough. The Daltex building was adjacent to the book depository. Eugene Hale Brading is a crucial figure in this.

So Eugene Hale Brading is a convict who's sort of in bed with right-wing extremists who may have gotten the contract when Marcello was floating around millions of dollars to take out Kennedy. They might've picked up that contract because there was a right-wing extremist involved in Miami with the informant Miltier was. And also too, he's really cozy with the mob. He does a lot for the mob. And he also had an office in a building where Ferry had an office, David Ferry. So he's kind of like in bed with a lot of mobsters. And this is like, there's a lot of evidence that he was in the La Costa, La Costa golf course was a golf course where like Richard Nixon used to golf, but also all the top mob

guys and all the top teamsters. And this guy used to hang out there too. So he's like in bed with the mob, in bed with a lot of people who might've took up the contract. And he changes his name from, from Braden to Brading on his license. And he tells his parole officer, because he's on parole at the time, hey, I'm going to Dallas for some oil business to Texas. I need a pass. Okay, no problem. They give him the pass. Well, when the shots ring out at Dealey Plaza, Eugene Hale Brading is picked up inside the Daltex building, which has a clean shot of the limousine too. And they pick him up inside there, but supposedly he was picked up, brought down to police headquarters. And he said, oh, I was outside

on the street. I heard the shots. I ran inside to make a phone call, went up to the sixth floor to look for a phone, then came back down because I couldn't find the phone or someone else was on it. And then the cop got me outside. The cop goes, no, I got him in the building. I picked him up in the building. So he's in the Daltex building and he's very suspicious. And he has ties to not only David Ferry, but there's a hotel where he was staying that

Ruby visited the night before the assassination. He had a steak dinner with Joe Campisi, the underboss of the Dallas mob. Then Ruby went over to this hotel where Eugene Hale Brading was staying, which is interesting. And then Eugene Hale Brading is picked up in the Daltex building. So if there's a document dump, keep an eye out for the Daltex building and what Eugene Hale Brading may or may not have done in there. The police report supposedly went missing from the National Archives, so we might not see anything, but there may be something. I'll tell you some other things to look out for. In the dump, yeah.

In the dump. Woody Harrelson's father, Charles Harrelson. Yeah, he was a serial killer in Texas. Keep an eye out for him. He got pinched for shooting a judge with a high-powered rifle for Marcello's brother, who was involved in that case. And another guy, another mob guy, but he worked for Marcello's brother. He kills people with high-powered rifles. That's not really common in a mob, other than Gregory Scarpa in the Brooklyn War.

Yeah. Really, they don't do that a lot. It's usually handguns. So he gets caught for that. He gets life. And then at some point or another, he was either juiced up on alcohol or drugs and he was being arrested and he had a standoff with the cops and he went through the whole Kennedy assassination, how he did it. And then they lock him up. He sobers up and he goes, ah, I was just lying. I just said that shit. I was all, I was drunk. And they go, oh, he admitted he was lying.

We're good here. I believe him more when he's drunk. I happen to tell the truth when I'm drunk more. People do. Like if I love somebody like, you know, like friends, family, I don't tell them every day. But when you're drunk, you're like,

I fucking love you. I love you. The truth comes out. Yeah. And I'm a happy drunk., and I'm a happy drunk. Exactly, I'm a happy drunk. You a happy drunk? I couldn't even picture that.

I'm a happy drunk. You're a happy sober. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I am. Actually, I am in my new life. You're right. So look for Harrelson. I wonder.

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Neutral. Refreshingly simple. I know a guy who was a bail bondsman in Texas for decades. He knew Charles Harrelson. He said he told me he was one of the hobos. The hobos? In the sewer? No, one of the three hobos that are in handcuffs. Remember, they were not in handcuffs. They were marched with the cop.

There's a picture. Pull it up. The three hobos. The three hobos. The three hobos, JFK? Let's pull that up. He said, now, there have been facial recognition people who said that's Harrelson. But Harrelson himself told this guy, Rhett Stein. All right.

Blow the picture up? Yeah, if you could blow it up. Okay, that's supposedly Harrelson. In the back? Well, no. Or the front? I can't see from here blow it up. Okay, that's supposedly Harrelson. In the back? Well, no. Or the front? I can't see from here without my glasses. I think it's in the front.

And then the front or the second guy, I can't remember. All right, can we pull up a picture of Charles Harrelson? Let's make a little comparione here. Now, he admitted it, and then they buried him. Oh, shit. Wait, go back, go back, go back go back hit that now go back to the other picture what the fuck yeah okay yo yeah interesting right oh yeah yup that front guy Why? Look for him. Yeah. Interesting, right? I've never seen that before.

Yeah. Not only that, he admitted it. He talked about it. What are the chances that guy's there? And what are the chances that he tells the cops, it's me, I did it, I shot or whatever. You know, I mean, we don't have it because they buried it. Dude. Oh, that just sent a chill up my spine.

You should get Woody Harrelson in here. See what he thinks about that whole thing. You think he would want to talk about that? I don't think he wants to, but if it comes out in a document dump, he may be forced to. Yeah, I mean, that's the thing. And his father would have told him on a visit, like a wink. Maybe, but Woody Harrelson has nothing to do with the sins of his dad. know no no no no i know but i'm saying like guys like he's one of the hollywood guys i love he's amazing and i'm sure that like everyone wants to get a clip out of him let's ask him about his dad it's like if he wants to talk about that he'll fucking walk in a studio

somewhere and be like let's talk about i don't think he wants to talk about it i don't think you're gonna get a lot of gigs in hollywood say, by the way, my father killed the greatest. I mean, well, people know that, but well, they don't know that he maybe killed the president, but they know, obviously they've divorced him from that. Oh, right. You know what I mean? But still. I think it's a second divorce will be needed if this comes out though. That is fucking, that's him.

So he told Rhett Stein, who was a bail bondsman in Texas, he goes, he told him three times, that's me. He goes, I'm the hobo. Now those guys were mysteriously questioned and let go, and there's no record of that either. Just look at the hair and the ears and the chin and the eyes. Go back to the other picture, Lissy, that we have right there. The one we, no, no, no, the one of. Oh, wow, that's the photo that came up when you look up the charles

wild right yeah where was the one all right it's right here i just put you okay yeah that dude look at look at the the because that's a similar angle look at the jaw the ears and the hairline go back. Now he's older here. Bro. Bro. The square forehead's exact. Oh, it's exact. The forehead looks like it was transposed. Yeah. Yeah, it looks like the exact same person.

Yeah. It's wild, right? So that may come out. Keep an eye out for that. I'll tell you other things that may come out. Quick question before you do. These files that the executive, the you other things that may come out. Quick question before you do. These files that the executive, the president is ordering to come out. Do you think they're the files that they've been told about behind the scenes and there's another file that they're not told about? Yes. I don't think we're getting it all. I think you're going

to have, I think you're going to have, I'm going to tell you three things. So one is you're going to have redactions. Guaranteed. That's the first. Second, there are stuff we don't know about that's been missing forever. That's right. Yeah. Third is if there's a few that haven't gone missing yet, they still may. But you've had 60 years, 60 years to go into the National Archives, which you have the key for. You could send a team in there at midnight any night for the last 60 years,

and you haven't done that? I can't believe that. This file, that file, this file, that file, get rid of them. Go in there with a paper shredder. I can't imagine that there's that much that they haven't gotten rid of. Anything directly, let's say, for example, there was anything directly to just pull them out of the air Dulles. Let's say there was something direct to Dulles. Hypothetically. Hypothetically. Something to Richard Helms. Hypothetically. You think that they were part of

the CIA and they couldn't figure out how to. That's exactly what I'm saying, man. Yeah. I appreciate this is one thing. I appreciate Trump trying to pull it out. That's nice, but the chances that those things have been burned after reading. Well, here's something big with Trump. I hope Trump hears this because this is big.

Oh, he's a huge listener. He may be. You don't know. He listens. Get the fuck out of here. I'm going to tell you. I'm not telling you. Be like this liberal scum.

I'm never listening again. Yeah, you're pretty middle of the way. You're pretty middle of the way. Yeah, but anything that's not, he's going to call a liberal scum. I got to tell you, I'm not telling you. Be like this liberal scum. I'm never listening again. Yeah, you're pretty middle of the way. You're pretty middle of the way. Yeah, but anything that's not, he's going to call a liberal scum. I got to tell you, he went on Joe Rogan. Joe Rogan was at one point more left than him. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, I mean, he was hard left.

Yeah. So, you know, Joe Rogan, I remember him saying he loved Bernie Sanders. Yeah, he literally like endorsed him. That's like endorsing Che Guevara. So, I mean. That might be a stretch. That might be a stretch. That might be a stretch.

Let's not go crazy. Louis, you're part of the tribe. Louis, you shouldn't say that. He's part of the tribe, Louis. Well, you're an adopted part of the tribe. I'm more of a Jew than him, I think. I don't think he even recognizes it. I don't know.

Whatever. Okay. So moving on, you don't know if this could get to his attention because I want to make sure this is clear because this is what he should look for. Okay. No one has ever, they've tiptoed around it. And we're going a little further in advance, but this is important. They've tiptoed around it for the last 60 years. I read books. The House Assassinations Committee, they took a quick look at the Secret Service, but they're fine. The Warren Commission, oh, we took a quick

look at the Secret Service, but they're fine. Everybody's Secret Service is fine. No, just a couple of guys were drunk. Okay, they were drunk. They went to the late night party. They shouldn't have got drunk, but that's all you hear. I'm the first person to wrap up my book, volume two of the Borgata Trilogy, where I name a series of events that take place. I call out that will directly go to the head of the secret service. And this is what happens. And now the mob or anybody else on the ground, whether it be a shooter, like, you know, possible shooter or the mob, Marcello Ferry, whoever's involved Cuban exiles, maybe whoever's on the ground could not pull it off without the help of the secret service. And I'll explain to you why could the CIA have gotten to them? I don't know. Johnson, Hoover, I don't know who whispered in this guy's ear, but I'm

going to tell you the series of events that happened that you can't tell me were coincidental. Kennedy, before Kennedy lands, there's a last minute change to the motorcade route. Forrest Surrells, let me give you the players involved first. Forrest Surrells is the secret service agent on the ground in Dallas. He's been there for years, decades. Winston Lawson is the advanced man sent from Washington to work with Forrest Surrells and prepare the security for the president during the motorcade route. He did a shit job. He admitted it. So you got Winston Lawson and you got Forrest Surrells on the ground.

Now, all of these changes start to take place. There's a last minute change to the motorcade route made by the Secret Service where there's going to be this turn onto Elm Street and it slows the limousine down to like a crawl under 10 miles per hour. And it puts it in the midst of the canyon of buildings where Kennedy is a prime target. That's the first thing. Nobody could figure out this last minute change to the motorcade route. Everybody's like scratching their head going, why did we make the change? Why are we doing, why are we bringing the president down that block? The president's a minute away from the Stemmons freeway and five minutes away from the trademark where his next event is. But his limousine is brought to a slow, slow crawl with that turn.

The security ends before that turn. If you look at the Zapruder film, there's people scattered over there. Yeah, it gets wide open. It's wide open. There's a few people scattered and that's it. It's wide open. By the way, look out for the document dump, the Babushka lady. The Babushka lady? The Babushka lady. The Babushka lady. The Zapruder film is filming from this way, the Kennedy assassination, right? He's filming Kennedy from the right, right? Where's Zapruder? He's filming him from up just above

on the knoll like underneath the trees and Kennedy's coming like Kennedy's head is looking forward and we're like coming towards 90 degrees perfect thank you which remind me to tell you about something with the Zapruder film when you're done

so the Babushka lady is on the other side and we got her from the back filming it this way. Guess what she's filming? She's filming the grassy knoll. She's got Kennedy right in front of her. Can we type in babushka lady JFK? Pull up the babushka lady. What a name. Watch for that in the document dump.

If that tape wasn't destroyed, I don't know what happened to it, but they got the Zapruder film only because he sold it to Henry Luce. Was she filming? Pull up the babushka lady. Or was she taking a picture? Yes. Filming, filming, filming. She's got a camera. She's filming. But we don't have- A video. A video.

This one? Yeah, that's her. That's her. She's filming it as he's going by that's her and she's sudden we can't we can never find her and we don't know where she is or who the tape was people came up later and so i was the babushka lady there's no proof of that and nobody's ever produced the tape she's got a better shot of the kennedy assassination than zapruder could have ever had okay so keep an eye out for that all right if anything relates to. Now I'm going to come in with this thing I was going to tell you about. Okay, then we'll go back to the Secret Service.

Yes, we'll go back to the Secret Service. Have you seen this documentary The Octopus Murders on Netflix? Oh, son of a bitch, they killed him. That guy's still alive. Do I have the right ones? The guy who was killed in his hotel room? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Exactly.

The journalist. The guy who supposedly killed him who hotel room? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Exactly, exactly. The journalist. The guy who supposedly killed him who met him, that guy's still running around. I don't even remember the details of who they speculate did it, but it's an amazing documentary. My friend Danny Jones did a great podcast last January with the guys who made that. And they did this whole odyssey where they followed these cases forever. And the octopus basically was – the idea of it was that this journalist that you just alluded to correctly who was killed in his hotel room that they, I think, rolled a suicide. He killed himself by bludgeoning himself to death all over the room? That's right. In the bathtub, I think. I forget what his name was.

Danny something. But that was in like 1989, 1990, something like that. He was supposed to be meeting with a source who was going to help him put together all these different pieces. But essentially what he uncovered was all these cells of intelligence, everything pointing back to CIA, and guys like all the way up to the top, like George H.W. Bush, who was in charge of it in the 70s, where these different people who disappear or fake fronts that would occur where criminal activities happening and then people disappear are all tied back together. That's a very broad way of putting it, but I don't want to get too lost in the weeds here. It's a four-part documentary. In one of the episodes, though, they're talking with a woman,

and I can't remember what her context was, whether she was another journalist who was trying to get stuff or some sort of source. I forget what it was. But she tells a story, and I don't know if it's true. It sounds fucking insane to me, but the way she tells it makes the hairs on your skin stand up. She tells a story about being shown the reels of Pruder film and being taken back in a room by, I guess, one of these spooky guys from the CIA. And in the film, I believe she said, it was something crazy, I believe she said the Secret Service agent turns around and shoots Kennedy in the head. I came across that. And she goes, did I just see what I just saw? No, my eyes are playing tricks on me. And the guy said something really sinister to her like, don't believe what we decide to show you. It was something like that.

And you think about this and you're like, alright, well, even DARPA didn't have AI in 1963. But could there be something? Could there be some frame that's fucked with? I will say they did fuck with the frames at one point. We know that. Not to that extent. I read that one time.

But they did fuck with the frames to try to sync up the timing of the bullets where Kennedy's hit and then Connolly's hit. Because Kennedy was hit, then Connolly's hit separately. And it's obvious, but that magic bullet for it to work, they have to be hit together. The magic bullet has to work. Yes. So they fucked around with the frames for that, and then it came out, and then they supposedly... The other thing is Henry Luce was close friends with John Foster Dulles and Alan Dulles. Oh, that's awesome. And he's the one who bought it for Time Life. He bought the film and then buried it in a bin.

Excellent. Right, not to show, as a media mogul, you would think you bought it to show the American public, but you bought it to bury it. That's right. And then it only came out later by accident. So that said, I will say this, whether that's real or not, if you lied to for 60 years,

you get us to a point where anything's believable. That's right. Because you got us like, we don't believe you anymore. And that's the problem. And we're fighting this battle in society more than ever right now where we have main street, which you and I are part of not trusted institutions. And I always try, I do my best because I see it that way too. I agree with so much of the crowd out there. Like there's so much not to trust when you've been lied to on such a massive scale on some of the biggest things. Exactly. But I try to pull people back as best I can back towards that healthy middle where it's

like, okay, yes, we can look at things that have happened in the last five years where we were lied to. We can look at things that go all the way back to the Kennedy assassination that we were lied to. But what we can't do is become the opposite end of the other spectrum, which is to say every single thing that ever happened is all a lie and everyone is corrupt and everyone's a conspiracy because then you're not taken seriously. And it's going to continue to create that divide there because I actually believe that institutions, whether it be government or regular, even corporations, stuff I objectively don't even like, I believe that there is some ability to salvage some sort of good that they can play in the world rather than just completely destroying them. But I understand the sentiments of people

who want to destroy them. Does that make sense? A hundred percent. Yeah. A hundred percent. And the sad part is most people have already been conditioned to think that everything is a lie. And it's very, very difficult, as you said, to pull people back. Yes. They're in this zone already. They've sort of detached themselves from any time that anything could be reality. You know, and I think it's very sad. I think at that point you could tell them, you know, they're going to, if you tell them red is red, they're going to say, no, it's blue because you said it's red. That's exactly right.

Yeah. And it's sad and it's sad. And we've come to that but um you were talking about the secret service though that's where we yeah so look out for the babushka lady and that tape yep i don't know i think it's probably been destroyed already i think that they definitely had to confiscate it they had to find her and get that tape because they killed her i don't know because it could be who knows because it would have been more crucial than the Zapruder film because Abraham Zapruder's got an angle that she's got a 10 times better angle because she's facing the grassy knoll. For all we know, she's got a rifle barrel in her sights. Yeah. Can we, Alessi, can we pull up the CIA's Wikipedia just to see what they say about

this? The CIA's Wikipedia. Yeah, no, that means just Wikipedia, but you get the point. I just want to see what the narrative is they're writing on the headline here, so let's read this. The Babushka lady is an unidentified woman present during the 1963 assassination of U.S. President John F. Kennedy, who might have photographed or filmed the events that occurred in Dallas's Dealey Plaza at the time President Kennedy was shot. Her nickname arose from the U.S. Army headscarf she wore, which is similar to scars worn by Russian women, babushka, literally means grandmother or old woman in Russian. The babushka lady was seen to be holding a camera by eyewitnesses and was also seen in film accounts of the assassination. She was observed standing on the grass between Elm and Main Street,

standing amongst onlookers in front of the Dallas County building and is visible in the Zapruder film as well as in the films of Orville Nix, Marie Muchmore, and Mark Bell. 44 minutes and 47 seconds into the Bell film, even though the shooting had already taken place and most of the surrounding witnesses took cover, she can be seen still standing, tough bitch, man, still standing with the camera at her face. After the shooting, she crossed Elm Street and joined the crowd that went up the grassy knoll. The babushka lady is last seen in photographs walking east on Elm Street. Neither she nor the film she may have taken have ever been positively identified. Her first appearance on film chronologically is on the sidewalk in front of the Dallas County building, which is visible in an image as being on Kennedy's right. She would have crossed

Houston Street and onto Dealey Plaza in order to be visible in the Dealey Plaza images. That may imply that the images show two different women of similar appearance. Interesting. It's plausible that once the motorcade passed by, she was able to cross the street to catch a second motorcade drive past on Dealey Plaza, where she would be on Kennedy's left. Now go down real quick, Alessi. Let's see if there's something called... No, there's not. Let me tell you another theory. Yeah, let's fill in some cover, Lou. So the first theory is that she's just a woman like Zapruder filming, and that's been the prevailing theory since it happened. We don't know who she is.

She's a pedestrian. She disappeared. Maybe she was killed. I would think they would have to track her down. I would think that they would want to confiscate the film, destroy it, and kill her if they have to. A lot of other people died mysteriously. There were a crazy amount of coincidental suicides. Oh my, don't you love that? Right, yeah. There was a lot in that in the mob too, right? Coincidentally, and whistleblowers kill themselves a lot too for some reason. Well, they think they can't,

they think they can fly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Turns out they can't. Yeah, a lot of whistleblowers just say, ah, I'm checking out after I blow the whistle. Right, you know, they just go for a little. Yeah, so that's very common. So the babushka lady, that's one theory.

I'm going to tell you my own theory that's possible also. So one is, I agree with that. So this babushka lady, that's one theory. I'm going to tell you my own theory that's possible also. So one is I agree with that. So this is the Ferrante theory. Ferrante theory, never been talked about before. You're hearing it first on Julian. We're a lot exclusive. World star hip hop. Let's go. Hearing it first on Julian Dory. If I was in charge of the hit, like I believe David Ferry was, the conspirators, would it be crazy for me to say to you, hey, Julian, why don't we film this thing? What's her name over there? She's got an army scarf on. I don't know. Maybe someone we could trust. A woman who's been maybe in the military

or something. She's part of our thing. Have her film it for us. I want to watch Kennedy's brains get blown out after, because I hate him so much. Seriously, you don't know. Seriously. How about if the babushka lady was working with the conspirators and her job was to film it? She's awful. So they could enjoy it? She's awful. I don't know. So they have it. She's awful cool under pressure. She's awful cool under pressure. She's not scared. She keeps filming. How do you keep a steady hand like that? Zapruder did too, which is amazing by the way, but she keeps a real steady hand. Then she's just seen walking away. She doesn't go run. She

doesn't, you would go run. You would, you would, you would try to like group with people and talk about what you just saw, what you picture, just taking my camera and I'm strolling away, you know, like, and then she's seen over here last. It's a little cold for me. Like there's a certain level of. She's got aura. It's a possibility. I'm not telling you for sure.

The first possibility, probably more likely. They got her, they killed her. They took the film, they destroyed it. Zapruder had already sold his to Henry Luce. That came out later. Dan Rather saw it. He was one of the guys who saw the Zapruder film and he lied to the American public and said his head went front from a shot to the back. He never mentioned that it went back from a shot from the front. So that said- You call Dan Rather a liar? Oh, I would never do that. So now I think he got canned for lying. So you got the babushka lady. The first theory is probably the more likely that they got to her, got the film. But the second theory is possible. Hearing it first on Julian Dory, the conspirators had her film it. I couldn't put it in the book because like I said it don't have the evidence if it's just out

of the blue um but i could talk to you about that and it's possible it's possible keep an eye out why all right hold on a minute why would the conspirators do that why would they kill kennedy a lunatic but i i know but hold on let's let's look at two different groups that had some involvement in this conspiracy the mob and the cia when the mob kills people they come from the world of no body no crime i don't think the mob would have done it oh okay so hold on i said just let me let me play this out no body no crime which certainly would then imply no video no crime as well. And then you look at CIA, whose entire job is to do things in a sleuthing manner around the world and not leave any evidence. So why would they want a video? Okay. So I'm going to give you, let's remember Miltia. That's the guy who I said

was a, he was a right-wing racist extremist who may have taken the contract that Marcello was offering. When he said to the guy in Florida, he's dead, Kennedy, when he comes down here, we're going to hit him with a high powered rifle and some nuts going to take the rap. This is before Kennedy gets killed. Remember that? That guy, Miltier, Joseph Miltier, that guy, his plans are canceled in Florida. He disappears. There's a picture in the crowd that looks identical to Miltia. So he apparently went and told somebody else, I'm going to watch it. So he went down to Dallas then when it was canceled in Miami, and then that didn't happen in Chicago. He went to Dallas and

he's in the crowd waiting for him. Why would it be crazy for him knowing Kennedy's going to get killed, knowing he hates Kennedy, for him to go, I'm going to go stand in the crowd and watch it. It's going to happen on Elm Street. I want to be there. It's exciting. I mean, it's like going to a NASCAR race, right? I mean, what floats your boat? If you're a sadist, that floats your boat. If you like automobiles, NASCAR floats your boat. People do snuff films. People are crazy. So I'm not saying that the mob did it. I'm not saying the CIA did it, but I'm saying that people had foreknowledge of the hit. Rose Cherami, she was picked up by a cop, Francis Frugge, Lieutenant Francis Frugge. Before the assassination, she was on the highway, beat up, thrown out of a car. Francis Frugge puts her

in the car. He goes, where are you headed? She goes, oh, I was doing a drug run from Miami to Houston. And the guys were with me, the Italians, these couple of Italian guys. And they said they're on their way to drop off the drugs, drop me off with my kid. And then I forget if she was with a kid or not, drop me off. She wasn't with a kid when she was taken, but dropped me off and then, and then had to Dallas to kill the president. She says this before he's hit. She's a hooker. She's a topless dancer for Jack, for Jack Ruby, who's in the know. Now she goes to the hospital after Kennedy's dead. Lieutenant Francis Frugge goes back to the hospital. He was just thinking she was, it was a drug induced fantasy. She was doing heroin withdrawals and she's beat up.

I'm not listening to her. When the president gets killed, he goes, oh my gosh, that woman told me. So he goes back to the hospital and the two doctors that tended to her wounds, she told us both that Kennedy was going to get killed. And then she was watching the TV and she goes, here, it's coming. It's coming now. Any minute now. Oh my God.

Yeah. So Francis Bruges now calls up the Texas police and the Louisiana police and everybody could get his hold up. And they go, no, we're not interested anymore. So this is a woman, so people knew. So who's to say now, let's say a Rose Cherami type who's not maybe heroined out,

but it's the babushka lady, her cousin or something and says, I want to film it i don't know why but i just you know what kills me with this lou when i when i look at this case if the tip of the spear did it which i i think they did right and call that the government oh i know call it the pentagon and and joint chiefs of staff and the intel agencies yes they're the most powerful people that have the most ability to get intelligence on anyone else that could get in their way in the country. Let's just look domestically.

I understand that. However, this was a public execution. You are talking about people from everything down to the local beat cops like the num the sheer number of people who could look into this or have connections to get evidence to all the people that scatter on the ground like of the hundred people that were standing there at dealey plaza or whatever each one of them has a story and saw something they're all related to fucking at least 20 people and those 20 people know you know what i I mean? They shut them down. It gets it, but that's what I'm saying. The ability to completely shut down all leads

right away to the point where there's a woman who was saying this is going to happen live. And when you call up just the local police, they say, no, we're not looking into it. That means they had to be gotten to at that point. Right. Well, by then Washington put pressure on local police and said, we need to squash this whole thing. It's, it's the lone assassin. It's Oswald. We don't want to go any further with the investigation. Crazy that is though. So let me get back to the secret service, which is interesting because that's how high it goes and I'll prove it to you. So the first thing we, the first thing we were saying to get back to the secret service, the first thing, and please, if somebody knows President Trump, tell them about this because this is crucial to something more recent.

So the first thing that happens with the Secret Service is they said there's going to be a last minute turn on Elm Street and they place Kennedy in this kill zone. Then they say, okay, the sun's out. We're going to take the bubble top off. Okay. You could say they're going to take the bubble top off because the sun's out. It makes sense. But it's another thing that puts Kennedy in the line of fire without the bubble top. They say, well, some people go, that's nothing. The bullet could easily went through the bubble top still. No, but you want a clean shot at his head. So it's a lot easier. Be a lot more difficult. Exactly. So they take the bubble top off. Now that's two things,

right? Let's keep going. There's supposed to be two secret service guys standing on, on the, under the left and right tail lights. They got welded things there that they step on and they hold on. Like they got welded pieces on the tail, the tail lids.

And they hold on to like things you would hold on to. Like if you're on a roller coaster and it's welded pieces on the tail, the tail lids, and they hold onto like things you would hold onto like if you're on a roller coaster and it's welded. So they hold, and these are two tall agents who would obstruct the view from either the book depository or the Daltex building. Those two places, right? You come in, those two agents from behind would obstruct the view. They're told, we don't want you on the back of the limousine. They go, what? This is where we stand. We need to be close to the limo in case somebody comes to attack. Who tells them that? Secret Service. So you got Forrest Surrell's there already. I don't believe he's part of it. Winston Lawson is the advanced man sent from Washington, and I'm going to get to the final

culprit. So it's coming from Winston Lawson first. It's not the guy who's still alive, right? Winston Lawson just died a couple of years ago. And that's why- No, there's a guy who's alive. Can we Google secret service agent? Oh no, Clint Hill? No, Clint Hill's legit. Clint Hill's a patriotic American.

He's the guy who ran on the trunk. I don't believe the agents on the ground had any part of any type of culpability. They were completely innocent. He seems like such a nice guy. No, I don't believe the agents on the ground. I like Clint Hill. I thought Clint Hill, what he did was heroic. He tried to get saved. It took balls to jump. He don't know how many bullets are coming at the president still, and he's trying to save the first lady. He gave the

thumbs down to the other agents. He saw his brain matter all over the seat, and he goes thumbs down, meaning he's either dead or he's going to be. He gave the thumbs down. Clint Hill's a hero. The other agents there, even though they were a little groggy, they were a little hungover, I don't believe any of them had anything to do with it. And I'll tell you why. So the agents on the ground who were told, get off the running steps, and Clint Hill was supposed to be one of them. They go, why? We don't understand this. They said, it's coming from Washington. Okay. Now that this gets better. Now there's four. Oh, so they call Washington. Let me, let me jump ahead a little. Truck month is on at Chevrolet. Get 0% financing for up to 72 months on a 2025 Silverado 1500

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That sounds weird to us. And he goes, yeah, not only that, the guy in Washington says, but don't crowd the president too much. He doesn't want to be too crowded on this trip. So they think that's a little weird too. So that one agent, Ron Pontius hangs up and the other agent, DeFreeze goes to him. Who were you just talking to? He goes, Gerald Bain. He goes, Gerald Bain? Gerald Bain's on vacation. He goes, no, no, no. At the last minute, he was going to take a vacation, but then he decided to come into work and he's working out of the West, out of the East wing. And he's commanding the whole thing from the East wing. Oh, conveniently. Oh, conveniently. He hadn't left Kennedy's side since day one.

Talk about conveniently. I mean, you just said the word of the century. He hasn't left Kennedy's side. He's always in the right front passenger seat in front of Kennedy for every motorcade. All of a sudden he goes in the most dangerous trip Kennedy's ever taken because they just beat the shit out of Adelaide Stevenson before Kennedy went there. Everybody's telling Kennedy, I list a dozen people in my book. They're all telling Kennedy, don't go to Dallas.

It's too dangerous. There's too many extremists there that want to kill you. We don't want you in Dallas. Stay away from there. So Kennedy's going, no, I got to go anyway. I got to go anyway. But at the very least, the head of the secret service, Gerald Bain, who's never left Kennedy's side, decides this is the time he's going to take a vacation. And not only that, he takes the vacation and then he suddenly decides, ah, second thought, I'm not going on vacation. I'm going to go into work. I'm going to go into work, and I'm going to call the shots from the East Wing,

where it's kind of safe, where it's very safe. So let me go through the rest of the little changes that Gerald Bain made, dictating them to Winston Lawson on the ground in Dallas. This feels like a Kennedy rap song. It gets better. It gets better. Listen to this, Julian. There's eight motorcycle cops supposed to be surrounding the limousine, right? Eight motorcycle cops. Let me guess.

They didn't. Four get bumped to the back. Yeah. They go, why? They go, we want eight of us. Kennedy don't want to be crowded. Bump four to the back. They keep blaming it on the dead president now, later.

Kennedy said this. Kennedy didn't want to be. He's dead. He can't defend himself. So now they bumped the four cops to the back. Then you said nobody's filming, right? Nobody, nobody, the Bush lady in the Zapruder film, you mentioned, well, who would be, you got a press vehicle, two cars back.

They bumped the press vehicle or a whole load of guys who know how to snap pictures. They bumped them all the way to the back of the line and they're scratching their head going, why are we being bumped to the line? We would never bump to the back of the line. We didn't want to be near the president. Sorry, bump to the back. So now the press vehicle, four motorcycle cops to the back, press vehicle to the back. They're pulling people away from Kennedy. The two tall secret service agents who would obstruct the view pulled off the bumper. The bubble top pulled off. The last minute turn onto Elm Street. There's no security detail in the kill zone. Take a look. No more secret service agents,

no cops that stopped before the turn. And the cops were told to have their backs to the crowd. They go, what good is it to have our backs to the crowd? We want to look at the crowd. Nobody scoured the buildings in the kill zone. He's drawn into a canyon of buildings and nobody went through the book depository. Secret Service, the first thing they're supposed to do is make sure you go through that book depository in the Deltex. He's got a canyon of buildings he's in the midst of before he gets on the Stemmons Freeway. Anything except a sloped roof. All these decisions, if they're not made. He didn't, that didn't work. Oh, anything but a sloped roof, right.

And that's what comes, and that's what, so here, listen to this. So I finished this book, I finished this book months before I turned it into the publisher, months before, months before. July 13th. That's when, what, the assassination attempt? Yeah. And I'm telling everybody I know, if something happens to Trump, watch the secret service, not the guys on the ground, I said, and women, very heroic men and women, whether they botched up, they didn't act fast enough. They were heroic. They surrounded him. They tried. They should have pushed them down a little. Whatever they should have did, you could criticize them. I'm okay with criticizing people. People criticize me. That's fine.

But they were heroic. In the end, they dragged him. And I don't believe they had anything to do with any of the, there was a conspiracy. Washington. Look for Washington, I was saying to people, the secret service in Washington. And then I found out that they were denying him extra. He was begging for it. And they kept denying him. Then I found out they didn't do the perimeter, secure it correctly. Then I found out there were no agents outside the perimeter. Then I found out the guy had a range finder and he's walking around. And there's too many mistakes. And I've been telling people for months since I handed this in, I'm the first person to dump the whole thing at the end saying the mob, the Cuban exiles, whoever you want to

say were on the ground, I'm with it. I'd paint a great picture of that, but they couldn't have done it without the Secret Service making all of these last minute changes. So now let's say, okay, what happened? Well, Winston Lawson got canned, never got a job again. And Gerald Bean was on unemployment for the rest of his life. Bullshit. Winston Lawson got a cushy job with the department of defense. And he said, I'm the first, I'm the only president. I'm the only guy who cost the president his life. Well, I'm doing pretty good. And Gerald Bain, Gerald

Bain was trusted enough by Lyndon Johnson to be the head of his security detail. Would you have trusted Gerald Bain after that? Nope. Would you have said, look, let's get rid of Gerald Bain. First things first. I'm not going out in public with this guy. Yep. Unless you kind of know that he'll protect you.

He may not have protected him, but don't worry. You're good. Just don't talk to Khrushchev. You're fine. Something's up. Something's up. And look for that in the document dump too. Look for that and get that to President Trump and tell President Trump, if anybody's listening, somebody in his administration, tell Trump to look, dig deep for what happened with the Secret Service and Kennedy,

because everyone's giving them a free pass. If it's there. If it's there. If it's there. If it's there. If it's there. But just those series of events are too coincidental for me when you add up how many. Look, if you know the old thing, everything's an odds game. If somebody accidentally hits your car this morning, it's an accident. If that same person then throws a rock at your head, maybe he missed. He was throwing it at something else. If the next person, then he takes your shit.

How many things? That's right. Before you say, okay, this guy wants to kill me. That's what I'm saying. The whole thing with Kennedy. Start to finish. Start to finish. Before the buildup, the immediate buildup, the day, the pulling people off of security,

changing your circumstances. I mean, it's all. I got another first for you. First on Julian Dory. Ready for this one? Exclusive. It's top dead serious. Breaking news. Breaking news. Check this out. Oswald, Chief Jesse Curry of the Dallas police, I feel was one of the honest policemen there. The force was corrupt. It came out later. Guys said we were all corrupt. The money was floating around like you can't imagine. They did a lot of stuff that they shouldn't have did before and after the assassination. We could go into that another

day. There's a lot going on there with the Texas police. But I believe that Chief Jesse Curry was an honest cop. Curry wants to move Oswald from police headquarters to the county jail in the dead of night in secret. He's told a call comes from Washington saying he needs to be shown to the public. And that's why Ruby gets the shot at Oswald. Okay. And Curry, Curry's so twisted about this later that he writes in a book, I didn't make that decision. The call came from Washington. So Oswald, why do the people in Washington need to show Oswald to the public? Oswald gets transferred.

He's still alive. They needed to kill Oswald, and that came from Washington. So the mob had help. The mob's doing the groundwork, the dirty work. Of course, of course. I never thought it was just the mob or something like that. And just as they were underwriting the Cuban exiles after the government defunded them, I feel like they underwrote the entire conspiracy on the ground. A billion dollars a year, Marcello's doing. What's a few million? What's a few million

to him to get the Kennedys out of the way? And then he knows too who he's working with, and he knows the investigation ain't going nowhere. You're in bed with the CIA and the FBI. How far is the investigation going to go? He knows he's in the clear. Yeah. Now, do you think that the mob in this case, let's just call it, let's, let's put the mob and, and Cuban exiles in the same boat just for a second and not worry about the semantics of who officially ended up on the ground whether it's both or all that let's just say they're both brought into this discussion with cia i would think that they're going to be left in the dark on pretty much everything other than where their expertise is going to be brought in, which is maybe

actually whacking the guy or say whacking Oswald afterwards. And the government is going to say, look, we're already making a deal with you. We're giving you something you want. You're giving something we want to us. But all the details of how this is going to go down beforehand. And more importantly, afterwards, you guys don't know shit about that. Yeah. So this is, this is how I did a major heist back then, back in my, back in the day. When, during your, during my rogue days. During my rogue days, I was known, I was known for doing heists. That was my thing.

And I was investigated, investigated for and put away by the FBI. That was my thing. If I did a major heist, I would try my best to disassociate pieces. So for example, let's say I need two stolen cars. I would ask a lessee who doesn't know you really. A lessee's from Brooklyn. You're from the Bronx maybe. I would ask him to do me a favor. Get me two cars.

I need them. He don't ask questions. He gets me the two cars. I put them on the side. I'd ask you, do me a favor, get me two cars. I need them. He don't ask questions. He gets me the two cars. I put them on the side. I'd ask you, do me a favor. You got an apartment I could borrow. Maybe I got to bring somebody there for like two hours while I get to the safe. Right. Right. You do me a favor. Compartmentalization.

I do that with everybody I could at all times. So when the FBI finally got me for the big stuff, they could never get me. I, I did all of these things. I separated. So you get one stool pigeon. He's going to go, I got the cause for what? I don't know. I mean, seriously. So, you know, there was like, there was like elements where I only knew how it all worked. So take that now. I'm a bird brain on the streets of New York, pulling heists, a naive kid, ignorant in every which way, but smart enough to pull off a heist in all fairness, but still a bird brain in many ways knows how to put the pieces together. And he's doing that on a high level. I'm playing checkers, he's playing chess. And he's doing that with all of these different conspirators, maybe. And let me tell you something, when Garrison finally went after Ferry, the day they told Ferry, they revealed him as a chief suspect in the new Garrison investigation,

when Garrison reopened. Garrison went home, just to give you a snapshot. Garrison went home and he read the multi-volume, 26 or 28 volumes of the Warren Commission report, 888 page final report. And he says, this is a bunch of bullshit. And he was the DA in New Orleans, right? In New Orleans, right. That's right. And he goes, you know what? I'm going to open up a case. So he goes after Ferry, and he never goes near Marcello though. And a lot of people ask small questions like, gee, Robert Blakey, who we mentioned for the week ago. Gee, Robert Blakey goes, gee, it's real curious how Jim Garrison could go after Ferry with such like, you know, this like crusading spirit, but tiptoe around Marcello. Right. And literally like they're in bed with each other leading up to the assassination.

And after the assassination, Marcello, he's no longer needed in court because Marcello's acquitted the day of the Dealey Plaza hit. The day of. Oh, he's acquitted? Oh man, this is a big part. Yeah, fill me in. Marcello is in court for the Bobby. Because there's a famous story of Traficante and Marcello with another context, but please fill this. This is great. Marcello's in court. Sorry, Marcello's in court. And he's sitting there waiting for the jury to come back on his case that Bobby Kennedy instigated.

The deportation case. No, re-entry, illegal re-entry. Right. Which stemmed from, you're right. Which would then involve him being deported. Correct. Correct. So now Bobby, Bobby is at a big organized crime meeting in Washington that he's, he's chairing and he's the AJ. So he's got like prosecutors from around the country and he's going through this whole thing of how he's going to target the mob. And John F. Kennedy's second term, we're going to step it up even way more than we did this time. We're going to destroy them and dismantle them piece by piece till there's nothing left. That's Bobby's agenda. He's in Washington doing that. Carlos Marcelo's in

Louisiana on trial. The jury goes out for the illegal reentry slash deportation case. If he loses, he goes to jail and then gets deported. So he's got everything on the line. Everything on the line. Who's in court with him? David Ferry. Oh, it gets better. On the 22nd.

Oh, it gets better. Gets better. As they're waiting for the verdict, they're waiting for the jury, they're waiting for the jury foreman to come back with the verdict. The bailiff walks in and the bailiff walks up to the judge and hands the judge a piece of paper. The judge looks down and then all of a sudden a look of shock goes across the judge's face. And he says, I have very bad news. He says, the president's been shot in Dallas. And the whole courtroom gasps, except Marcello and his brother who was

on trial with him because they tried to loop the brother in, Bobby did. They're stone-faced. Now there's no record, I said, of Ferry's expression, but he was in court too. But we don't have Ferry's expression. How do we have a record of Marcelo's expression without cameras? John H. Davis reported, spoke to witnesses in the courtroom who reported Marcelo's expression. When did they report that? After the fact. Gosh. Because that could change. It could change.

People trying to put it together. But whatever his expression was, it happened, right? So let's just move that. Ferry's in the courtroom with him, though. That's a given. Now he's acquitted. And would they just get word? I'm sorry. They just get word as he's waiting to be acquitted. Then he's acquitted. Then the jury comes back. Later comes out, he brought a juror. He's acquitted. He leaves the court and his family wants to celebrate. And they said he's got something heavy on his mind. And Ferry, him and Ferry talk. And then Ferry takes off for Texas through a midnight storm. He flies to Texas.

He flies to the scene of the crime? No, not flies in a plane. I mean, flies in a vehicle. I know. He goes to the scene of the crime? He goes to Houston, to the Alamo Hotel, which is owned by Marcello. And he calls Marcello Collect when he gets there. Why did Marcello have a look of consternation on his face?

And why did Ferry fly in a panic? They just got word that someone was picked up by the police, Lear v. Oswald. When they find out Oswald was picked up by the police. And who's Oswald to them at that time? Oswald was not only, there was a guy, Dutz Morett, who was a bookmaker in Marcelo's Borgata. Dutz Morett was the uncle of Leo Harvey Oswald, who pretty much took Oswald in throughout his life anytime Oswald had nowhere to go. So that's Dutz-Morett. He's a bookmaker for Marcello. He's seen in the company Oswald with other people from the Marcello Borgata,

but he may have just been running numbers for Dutz-Morett. Okay, maybe. He's also seen with Ferry in Guy Bannister's office, who's a retired FBI agent. And he's also seen with Ferry. He's also seen with Ferry in training camps that Marcello funds and underwrites. And he's also, everybody denies it for years. They said, oh, he didn't know. There's no proof that Ferry knew Oswald. That's a lie. It's a lie. People said they saw him together, but they didn't. Then all of a sudden, a little photograph surfaced of Oswald and Ferry in the same photo together when they did the Civil Air Patrol together. So now it's proven that they at least knew each other then. And we could assume that the witnesses aren't lying when they say they knew each other now.

Then other witnesses says they were seen together in Jack Ruby's topless bar. And Lee Harvey Oswald was introduced as Lee from the CIA to somebody else. So now there's a lot of evidence that he's connected. Ferry, there's a look of consternation on Marcello's face because he knows that Ferry's definitely connected to Oswald and maybe could be connected to him through Dutz-Morett, who knows. And Ferry's in a complete panic. And he drives through the night. I say flies, meaning speeding now. He drives through the night, through a thunderstorm, lands in Houston, and he goes to this roller rink and he uses the public phone all day and night

there the next day. And he's receiving and sending calls out. Well, at some point or another, this guy, Jack Martin, has a beef with, and this is in that film too another, this guy, Jack Martin has a beef with, and this is in that film too, the JFK film. He has a beef with Guy Bannister. They're arguing and he says, what are you going to do? Kill me like you guys just killed Kennedy? Martin takes out a 357. I'm sorry. Guy Bannister takes out a 357 and pistol whips Martin into a bloody pulp. Martin goes to the hospital and tells the FBI, the prosecutor. This is in the movie JFK. I remember that.

He says, look, they just killed, I think they killed Kennedy. And Ferry is always connected with Oswald. They're always together at Guy Bannister's office. So there's a direct connection now. So Ferry's making these phone calls when Ferry's now realizes he's wanted for questioning by Garrison. Garrison gets Ferry's now realizes he's wanted for questioning by Garrison. Garrison gets Ferry back. Ferry goes, I was at the roller rink talking to the owner about opening up a roller rink in Louisiana,

and we just hung out there that day, and I talked to him about business. So he goes, I don't believe this guy. He passes him off to the FBI and the Secret Service. They question him. They don't believe him. FBI goes to Chuck Rowland, who owned the rink, and they go, look, is this true? He goes, no, he's lying. We didn't talk about business. He goes, that guy used my phone the whole day, back and forth. He was just making and receiving phone calls. It was weird. So instead of investigating any further, Hoover tells his agents, don't worry about it. Don't follow up. Let him go. We cracked the case. It's Oswald, lone nut. Why did Hoover want it to just be Oswald? As we said, there's a lot of evidence that Hoover overlooked leading up to the assassination, likely for want of it to happen. His life was on the line. His life is on. If you tell a man, I'm going to kill you, or if you tell a man who's been the head of

the FBI for four decades, I'm going to throw you out and leave you in shame and smear you as a homosexual in a society that has not yet come to terms with gay people. You're in trouble. And that's death to a man. That's worse than death. That's a fate worse than death to Hoover. So he had serious skin in the game to say, we got a loan. Right.

And during the Warren Commission, the Warren Commission gets a phone call from Texas and Wagoneer Carr, I think it was Wagoneer Carr, says to, from Texas, he goes, look, I got some evidence here that it seems to be that we have evidence that Oswald is an informant for the FBI. So the Warren Commission is now in a quandary. They go, what do we do? If Oswald works for the FBI, how are we going to explain this away? So what they did was they kind of like was crafty. They sent someone to talk and they found out it came from a reporter. Someone from the Warren Commission went to Texas, found out it originated with a reporter. And then they went to the reporter and then they wrote back to the Warren Commission and said, we checked it out. It's just bullshit. The report is shooting beans. Don't worry about it.

Well, they said, well, now we still have to ask the FBI as if the FBI is going to go, oh yeah, Oswald, informant number 423. Yeah, okay. So Hoover goes, absolutely not. I spoke to everybody. There's no way this guy was an informant for us. So that's another reason. If Oswald was an informant for the FBI, which it seems he was and had an FBI number, and we know he had contact with a number of FBI agents leading up to the investigation, Jim Hostey famously destroyed the note, right? So if that's the case, okay, number one is a lot of Americans are going to go, the FBI knew about this guy, and you missed him. And number two, what did he inform about? Did he mention anything about, hello, my friends are thinking about killing Kennedy. And was he Lee who called on Thomas Arthur Valley in Chicago?

Could be. Could be. And maybe he stopped it in Chicago and they dumped it on him. Very convenient that a guy named Lee called up though. Yeah. Why would he give the real name? Yeah. This is also interesting.

I'm sure you know this, but cop runs into the school book depository. Oswald's on the second floor. The book, the nest, the gun's nest is on the sixth. He's just drinking a Coke. It doesn't look like he's out of breath, nothing. They later tried to figure out, could he have gotten up, you know, all those flights of stairs in that time? No, definitely not. And especially not without huffing and puffing. The elevators were open on the fifth floor. He couldn't have taken the elevator. So it's likely he didn't even fire a shot. Now that said- Oh, you think Oswald didn't even fire a shot?

It's possible. I believe he was involved in the conspiracy in some degree. He was definitely involved with the conspirators. He was close with Ferry. He was close with Bannister. Because it's like, why would he be there at Dealey Plaza that day when He's there. When he knew all these guys and had been involved with them. Yeah. He might have been keeping Chickie on the second floor. Maybe he was, you know, maybe he set up the corner for them to shoot. He might have had, he had some involvement, but there's evidence that he never fired a shot. You know, the prints, there was none.

Then there's some, there's the residue. Then there's some, there's none. There's some, the photos that we can fired a shot. The prints, there was none, then there's some. There's the residue, then there's some. There's none, there's some. The photos, we can't find it. Then we find it. The gun, we can't find it. Then it's Ruth Payne's house. There's a lot of stuff that starts getting very, very cloudy, but here's something else. So leading up to the assassination, even Hoover felt this was weird. Somebody is pretending, and now this is why, by the way, Ferry, the master intriguer, this is an important piece. Leading up to the assassination, Oswald, or an impersonator, is seen in Mexico City trying to get a Cuban visa. Okay. So there's some people swear it's Oswald. Some people say it's an impersonator. Let's just think about what Hoover thinks. Hoover says, my agents looked at the pictures and listened to the audio. The agents, this is

privately, Hoover says, this came out later. The agents looked at it and said, that ain't Oswald. So somebody's impersonating Oswald. Now, even Hoover said long before the assassination, when Oswald first got back from when he defected to the Soviet Union and came back. And by the way, was welcomed back as if he was on like, as if some kid said F you to his parents, I'm going hiking in the Alps. I never want to see you again. And then decided his feet were hurting. I'm going to call my parents and ask them to buy me a ticket and bring me home. And his parents forgave him and brought him home. That's how easy he came back. The State Department paid for it, gave him money and brought him back. So he comes back and Hoover, from that very beginning, he said somebody

was impersonating Oswald and it didn't look right to him. So Hoover was onto something there with Oswald from the beginning. So there's pieces where not everybody knows everything. So Hoover knows what to ignore, but he may not know what the CIA is doing. And he may not know what the mob is doing other than what the threats are telling him on the eavesdropping devices. So keep that in mind too. There's moving parts and there's people in the conspiracy where, if let's say Harrelson pops up as a shooter at some point, Harrelson may not tell you, he's not going to tell you, oh yeah, I talked to Hoover and Ferry and Marcello.

He don't know, shoot the gun. You know what I'm saying? Like, this is like, Alessio got me the cars. You gave me the apartment. I'm going in with two other guys who don't know you got me the apartment and got me the cars. You know, so this is how you compartmentalize, but something strange where, so now why would Oswald, why would an impersonator want it to look like Oswald was trying to get a visa for Cuba? Well, the plan was, and it comes out later, that Ferry's plan was if we could make it look like Castro, if Oswald was an agent of Castro and Castro has something to do with the assassination, then the American public will demand an invasion of Cuba. And Kennedy might have effed up at the Bay of Pigs. He might have

effed up at the missile crisis, but we ain't going to mess up again. The American public's going to demand. And I think my own theory that I write in the book, there's a couple of possibilities. One is Oswald wasn't supposed to get picked up. And we are led to believe that he was interviewed for 12 hours, but there was no stenographer and there was no audio recordings. So convenient. Exactly. And not only that, one historian, he bent himself into a pretzel trying to explain this going, oh, why would they have an audio or a stenographer when he just- I don't know, because the guy just shot the fucking president

of the United States allegedly. Right. Well, and he claimed he just shrugged a lot anyway. Yeah. Okay. Now, if he just shrugged a lot, you're going to tell me he shrugged for 12 hours and you just kept going? Mm-hmm. That's number one. And number two, aren't we still entitled to a record of the questions, right? So that's bullshit. You know that that give me a break 12 hours. That's like when we were in jail once and a guy went down and he was like agents for like six hours and he came up and we know we wanted to talk to him again. And he, and he goes, yeah, I just went down. The agents wanted to talk to me. I told him to go fuck themselves. My co-defendant goes, it took you six hours to say that. Come on. So, so that's like, give me a break. So, so that's another thing. So, but, but so now

when Ruby gets picked up, listen to this. So they want it to look like Oswald. I think Oswald was supposed to disappear. And we were supposed to think maybe that Castro, that he got the visa and got to Cuba and Castro's hiding them. Then we demand him back and Castro goes, I don't have him. And we go, he's lying. He's holding them. Let's go. And we invade. That's a possibility. So is this out of the wind? I'm taking this? No. When Jack Ruby was pinched for shooting Oswald, if he did it spontaneously, now he's cooling down in the precinct and he should be rethinking what he just did. Because if Oswald dies at the hospital, he's got a murder rap and he's facing the electric chair in Texas where they fry people like we fry barbecued ribs.

So now he's going, okay, it's better to really just have attempted murder. Okay. So Ruby's waiting to hear if Oswald died. And there's a reporter there who says when Ruby finds out Oswald dies, he's ecstatic. He's thrilled. And he should be the other way. He should be going, oh, shit, now I'm really in trouble. And what was the, because he did it right in the open in front of fucking 100 people. He goes, now we'll invade Cuba. That's an awful big-

But he's still fucked. He's still fucked, but I'll tell you why he didn't care he was fucked. He's still fucked, but I'll tell you why he didn't care he was fucked. First, he goes, now we'll invade Cuba. An awful big geopolitical deducement, deduction for a topless bar owner. Okay? A little above your pay grade, now we'll invade Cuba. Okay, so why did he do it? You know you're getting caught, right? If he was supposed to get rid of Oswald, or maybe J.D. Tippett was, or the corrupt Dallas police, Ruby had the whole department on speed dial. He was corrupting them all. Ruby was going in and out of the precinct from the moment Oswald was picked up. Ruby's floating around that precinct. Seth Cantor, Vic Robertson, another reporter later

testified, but Seth Cantor said he was desperately trying to get near the interrogation room, and he had a gun with him. And he's going, he couldn't get near the interrogation room. He couldn't get a clean shot. He wanted one, day one, the first night. Then they said they brought him downstairs to a basement thing. And he's looking, and Seth Cantor said if he wanted a shot at him, he had no business being there, by the way. Of course he didn't. You're owner of a topless car. Yeah, it makes no sense.

Exactly. Unless you have press credentials or police credentials, you're not supposed to be anywhere near the president's assassin. So that's like saying they just tried to kill Trump and me and you just walk over to the precinct and just start fooling around the precinct with the guy. Take a look around. Totally bullshit. So now I think this is what happened. Trump and me and you just walk over to the precinct and just start fooling around the precinct with the guy who tried. Take a look around. Totally bullshit. So now I think this is what happened. We're led to believe Oswald never said nothing, but for 12 hours, like we just said, I think he said a lot more than we're led to believe.

And I think the Texas, the Dallas police were telling Oswald, he's talking. Now, I mean, Ruby, Ruby, telling Ruby he's talking more than he should be. And it's coming. It might fall on you. Now, Ruby's got Ruby's got a decision to make. If Oswald's talking because he's been in there for 12 hours, if Oswald's talking, would you rather be if you're Ruby and you conspired to kill the president with Oswald? You got two choices. You wait for the police to break down your door and bring you and put you away, or you clip Oswald and the American public cheers you as the savior of the nation, which they did. They clapped. When he shot Oswald

in the basement, the people outside were going crazy, cheering and clapping. And Ruby said, I ain't getting nothing more than a cakewalk, maybe a couple of years in jail. I'm a hero. He was looking to hire an agent to get him book deals and TV deals. He wants to hire an agent. A lawyer walked in at one point and he goes, are you my agent? And he goes, no, I'm your lawyer. So I mean, total bullshit. And now the guy, his real lawyer, Tom Howard. But like you said, even in Texas, they fry you like they fry barbecue chicken. Right. But not in the, okay, they just came out in droves, even though there's some radicals that hated Kennedy, they came out in droves to cheer Kennedy. It was a huge response to him, the

motorcade. Hundreds of thousands of people packed the motorcade route. They were cheering Ruby for shooting Oswald. I know, but I'm saying like you were still saying Texas doesn't give a fuck. They're still going to try him. Oh, he's got a shot, but he's dead either way. If Oswald's talking, he's dead either way. So he's saying, take a shot. Yeah. Before he does that, by the way, he's pacing in his apartment. He's throwing up. He's, he's nauseous. He's, he's a nervous wreck. He can't like, he's like totally like deconstructing in front of his roommate's eyes. And he's calling people like he's never going to see them again going, Hey Jules, I haven't talked to you in years. I love you, brother.

Always remember, I love you. And you're like, what the fuck are you calling me for? And he's doing this and he's like acting like a man on death row. And then all of a sudden, once he shoots Oswald, he's like, Oh, it feels a lot better. And he's like, a man on death row. And then all of a sudden, once he shoots Oswald, he's like, oh, it feels a lot better. And he feels like a new man. And he's like, I'll beat this case. And literally they did a poll and they said something like 77 people out of 100 thought that he shouldn't get much time, if any at all, in Texas. Because they felt like the normal people, not the radicals who hated Kennedy, but normal people being polled. And they're going, and those are jurors.

They're going, you know what? He shot Kennedy's killer. He's a hero. And now he comes up with this thing. He says, I shot Kennedy to be, to help so that Jacqueline wouldn't have to, Jacqueline Kennedy, first lady, wouldn't have to endure trial. And then later he admits that that was a bunch of shit to somebody else and says, my first lawyer, Tom Howard told me to say that. And the other thing is, is he's flat broke. And this mob lawyer who does celebrities too, Melvin Belli swoops into to represent him. And apparently he was given a million dollars to do it. And he said, oh, I did. Who gave him the money? Well, this guy, Cy Ellison said that he got a phone call and he said,

look, if Belial take the case, there's a million dollars in it. And Cy said, hey, it's our boys are calling our friends, meaning the mob. They're offering a million dollars to pick up the thing for the president's assassin, the case, Oswald's assassin, Ruby, if you pick up the case, and he took it. But apparently then later, Belli didn't say he got a million dollars in cash. He claimed that, well, I did a pro bono, get a book deal later. He's got to say that. William Kunstler, when William Kunstler used to swear at everybody he does cases for free, William Kunstler took $100, thousand from me on the first day.

In fucking cash, in cash. He took a hundred grand from me in cash. And then, and then tried to claim that he was representing me like out of like the goodness of his heart. And it later came out in a bio. There is goodness of his heart when there's some cash involved.

Somebody wrote a biography about Kunstler years later, and they listed the truth, that Ferrante paid Kunstler 100 grand, along with other, they said he represented other mobsters. He always claimed he did for free, but he didn't. I think Belli did the same thing for Ruby.

Got it. Yeah, I think so. So that was the goal. Ferry's goal was kill Kennedy, and then the result should be that they attack Cuba, the American, and we get rid of Castro and Kennedy in one shot. And we stop Cuba, we stop the domino effect, which meant that the proliferation of communist ideology throughout Latin America, which is what

they desperately wanted to stop. All right, real quick, I just got to go to the bathroom, but we'll be right back. You got it. All right, we're back. The thing that I'm wondering about while you're talking through all this, though, it's great details, but we'll be right back. You got it. All right. We're back. The thing that I'm wondering about while you're talking through all this though, it's, it's great details, but we keep coming back to the Cuba thing and that angle. And we're mostly mentioning either mobsters or people that were involved with the United States government, but where are some of the Cuban revolutionaries in the middle of this and who are they reporting to? The biggest guy that I could place at the center of it, there's actually two we could go to, but Sergio Acacha Smith. Sergio Acacha Smith. So let's go back first. Pepe San Roman was the head of the guy who was on the beaches with the Bay of Pigs, and he's mad. He's a guy. And they come out of

this all mad, a lot of the militant ones who were trained by the CIA. They're pissed. But there's a guy, Sergio Acacha Smith, who's out of New Orleans at one point, but he's been floating around, but he's out of New Orleans for the most part. And he was sort of the head of this CIA organization that wanted to sort of like an umbrella group that would keep all of the various Cuban exile groups in one pot. You have all of these Cuban exile groups springing up that concerns the CIA. They want to be able to control them and have a handle on them. And through Sergio Acacha Smith, he's sort of the boss of this umbrella group that contains all of the other Cuban exile, militant Cuban exile groups that want Cuba back.

And he's trying to like keep them in one basket for his own reasons and for the CIA. So now, at some point or another, when they're defunded and Sergio Acacha Smith is out of government money because of the Kennedy administration kind of said, that's it. We're not going to back this anymore. And they were left out there. Alcacha Smith suddenly befriends David Ferry and David Ferry is suddenly walking around. David Ferry was always known to have no money. He was a broken down police. He lost his job with a major airline. And now he's kind of like down and out. And all of a sudden he's walking around with crisp $100 bills, and somebody said that they believed he's starting to feed money to Sergio Acacha Smith as well and funding the exiles, David Ferry is. And they believe that the crisp $100 bills are coming from Marcello going to Ferry and over to Sergio Acacha Smith. So that's sort of like one of the main conspirators. Now, later on during the Jim Garrison case, when Jim Garrison goes after David Ferry and refuses to connect Ferry to Marcello because it later came out that he was in Marcello's pocket, Jim Garrison, he goes after Ferry and Ferry says, I'm a dead man. The second you come after me, I'm a dead man. So now there's something interesting going on that Oliver Stone curiously

left out of his movie. Yeah. How do we know that Garrison was in Marcello's pocket? Well, Garrison was tried twice and they started doing, the government went after Garrison and they only went after him because he stepped out of line by going after the government. So Garrison decides he's going to go after, he's going to blame it on the CIA. And he's looking at Ferry, eventually turns to Clay Shaw. But originally when he's going after the government and saying, there's a conspiracy here and it goes to the CIA, rogue agents of the CIA, the government all of a sudden sends people down there to look into what Garrison's looking into, but not with the intention of finding out what Garrison finds out, but with

the intention of smearing Garrison. So then all of a sudden they go to their media contacts, the CIA does, and there's all of a sudden these hit pieces coming out on Garrison and his connection to the mob. And all of a sudden it gets dug up. Now they would never, even though it was probably true that Garrison was overlooking, he liked Marcello. He said he's a good guy. he was seen going to dinner with marcello's brothers he dismissed a lot of mob cases there was an incident where a mobster had a heart attack in his house during a mob slash campaign meeting for the mob you know like your politics so it came out and so later on it wasn't in the movie yeah and later on they accused garrison of taking money under the table from the mob garrison beat the case, which tried again, tax evasion, beat the case. He beat two cases.

But he was dragged out of his house early in the morning by FBI agents. It would have never happened unless he shook a tree that he should never shake and shook a beehive. He should have never shaken. That's how they felt, the government. So the government went after him. But, however, the government had a lot to find when they started looking. So Garrison definitely was, Marcello owned the whole state machinery. Don't forget that.

So Garrison's part of that machinery. He's the prosecutor, prosecutor, governor, mayor. He's got them all. So, and when asked, Santo Traficante's attorney goes to visit Marcello at one point after Garrison opens up the investigation into the Kennedy assassination. This is a few years after it happened. And he says, look, are you worried? The attorney knows that his clients, Traficante's and Bob Somehow and Marcello. And he goes, look, are you concerned about this?

And he goes, nothing to worry about. He's my man. And he goes, really? And he goes, he looked like he decathetered the canary. He goes, he was like absolutely smug about it. He goes, nothing to worry about. He's my man. So now I wondered, was Carlos Marcelo so confident that Garrison not only wouldn't look at him, but did Carlos Marcelo, when the nation was starting to demand answers and people were starting to talk about, did the mafia do it? Did Carlos Marcelo, one better, maybe put Garrison up to leading the scent away from him, away from Marcelo? Not for sure, but you can't rule it out as a slim possibility. Slim possibility, maybe. So Garrison now, another person, but you can't rule it out as a slim possibility. Possible. Slim possibility, maybe.

So Garrison now, another person, when you asked about the Cubans, there's a guy who's connected to Santo Traficante in Florida. A Cuban? A Cuban. His name is Eladio Del Valle. Eladio. Yeah. He ends up dead.

Well, Garrison goes looking for him and finds him in a shopping center in Miami with an ax wound in the center of his skull and a bullet wound in his heart. Yeah, Garrison goes looking for him and finds him in a shopping center in Miami with an ax wound in the center of his skull and a bullet wound in his heart. Yeah, and he tortured him. So now Ferry also, Ferry first goes, I'm a dead man. So they put Ferry in protective custody. And you mentioned the Fontainebleau in Miami where they met with the CIA, but there was another Fontainebleau in Louisiana.

New Orleans. New Orleans. So they put him up in there and they're protecting them, Garrison's guys. But now Garrison wrote a couple of books about the assassination and I can't find anywhere where Garrison just kind of jumps from ferry asked for protective custody, ferry was found dead in his house. I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa. Let me go back a few pages and read this again. I must've missed something. So I go back and read it again. Ferry asked for protective custody. Ferry was found dead in his house. I'm like, Garrison's leaving a big piece of the picture out and I'm not sure why. So I picked up Garrison's other book, read it cover to cover. And I'm like, Ferry was asked for protection. We provided it.

Ferry was found dead at his house. I'm going, oh, he's doing the same shit again. Why is Garrison hiding what happened between Ferry wants protection and Ferry is found dead at his house? So then I dig deeper in other sources, out of print books, archives, newspapers. What happened was Ferry says, I'm a dead man. I need protection against unknown people. He doesn't state who he needs protection against. So we're told. Maybe he did, maybe he didn't. He gets put into the Fontainebleau. Somebody's watching him there. That guy switches. His shift is done. He wants to go home to his family. Another guy comes in. But then that guy who comes in to watch Ferry at the Fontainebleau runs out for cigarettes. And Ferry all of a sudden goes home.

So either there's something strange happening. One is why do they leave Ferry alone even for a minute? Why didn't you run out for cigarettes? Why didn't you come with cigarettes? Or why didn't you tell the other guy, do me a favor, grab me a pack before you leave, or give me another 10 minutes. I'm going out for a pack. Somehow, somewhere, you can't leave Ferry alone. Now, does Ferry think when they leave him alone, are they setting me up? The Fontainebleau in New Orleans was built with Team Stefans and Santo Chafacante

whenever he visited Marcello would stay there. It's a mob hangout and mob may be backed. So now he's going, okay, maybe they left me for a reason. So he gets spooked and goes home. Garrison left all this out. He goes home and now he's found dead at his house. But it's a little weird that he's found dead because they said, well, he left two suicide notes and he committed suicide because there's two suicide notes.

But it was an embolism in his neck. So how is it an embolism or his brain, his neck? Wait a second. Did he kill himself? How is, oh, usually people before they commit, they go, they know an embolism is his brain, his neck? Wait a second. Did he kill himself? Oh, usually people before they commit, they know an embolism is coming. That's right. Yeah. Right. You can feel it. Right. You could feel it coming. And then you start to like maybe run around the house and get your blood pressure up a little more and then write two suicide notes really quick. That's

exactly what you do. The whole thing's really strange. Right. So Ferry gets clipped, I think. Ferry is found dead, let's say. We don't know. He was clipped. Let's say, yeah. He's gone in New Orleans. Eladio Del Valle's gone in Miami. Del Valle was connected to Traficante. Ferry's connected to Marcello. It's a little odd that they go right away

together as soon as Garrison opens up the investigation. So then Blakey asked a really important question. G. Robert Blakey. G. Robert Blakey says, hey, look, and this other guy, Noyes, a reporter, they both asked these questions at the time. They go, it's really odd that Garrison links Ferry to the conspiracy and Eladio Del Valle, but can't see past that. He doesn't see that Ferry's always with Marcello. And also too, when they went into Ferry's house, they find records that after Ferry was working for Marcello during the trial, long after, Marcello buys him a gas station. Why would Marcello buy Ferry a gas station? He's a really nice guy.

Exactly. Exactly. So they said, well, the people who try to dismiss it go, well, he worked for him during the trial. He got paid during the trial. And you don't buy somebody who works for you. Yes, you do. Exactly. If you pay them during the trial, it is custom in American customs that you buy them a gas station afterwards. That's how it works. And I had a number of trials I've been through.

Yeah. And anybody who helped me, I bought them gas stations. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You bought them a gas station. I always did. That's right. I bought one guy a Mobil, another guy an Exxon. 100%.

Yeah. Yeah. So it happens. So it's a little... Exactly. I mean, it's such shit we're being shoved in our throats for 60 years. It's so comical when you look at this case and you could

go... If we had one of those giant investigation boards up here and you had all the red strings going to the middle. Like counting from homeland. Yeah, exactly. the at every single string there's a complete and total comical lie that's been fed to people not even like oh yeah this is kind of true but it's slightly different context no no they're like no this isn't true at all don't look here right oh this guy's dead don't worry about it don't believe your lying eyes he's a gangster what do you want yeah exactly you know it just

it offends the human spirit. It does. It really does. They've been, they've been, they've been serving us this line of shit for 60 years. Yeah. So, and I think we're going to get a little more of it. Don't, don't, let's not be surprised if the dump doesn't really turn out to be what we're expecting.

If I was the head of the CIA and I was bent, hell bent on preserving this information, destroying it, I had 60 years to do it. I mean, come on. And, you know, I mean, so. That's what I'm saying. And also of whatever is there that's going to be coming out, it's really, really maddening when you hear a guy like Mike Pompeo, who's in charge of the CIA. Talk about it. It is despicable. Talk about how, no, I told President Trump, and he talks about it like with glee.

I told President Trump it shouldn't be released, and it's not a big deal. There's not much there or anything. That means you looked at it, though. He shouldn't have looked at it without us seeing it. The reason that he's saying it shouldn't be released, he's like, well, you know, there's names and addresses of people who are still around. Yeah, okay. And I'm like, okay. Yeah.

Let's even give you sympathy on that for a second. Let's say there are a few 80-year-old people who are still around and they have kids that have nothing to do with this. I think Ruth Payne. Look for Ruth Payne, by the way. Who's Ruth Payne? Ruth Payne was the one who took Oswald in. She's still alive. Ruth Payne.

Okay. Okay. But that's what I'm saying. It's bullshit. I'm just saying, keep an eye out for them. If it's that big a deal, fucking redact their names. Right.

And I wouldn't even like that, but alright, if you're worried about a few people who are alive, just fucking redact their name and their address. And tell us as soon as they're dead, we'll let you know. Yeah. That's better than nothing. Well, this is the guy who was trying to kill julian assange yes so yes reported in in yahoo news back in 2021 and and i i i think that

if you read that report that is a long report yeah very long report i i think that's pretty reasonable that he was trying to do that. Yeah. Which is like crazy because I understand that no countries when it comes to espionage are actually friends. Like that is how it works. Like no one's fucking friends. But to try to whack a journalist who has unrelated to journalism bullshit charges in Sweden. Let's even say hypothetically they're true and they're not, but who has been given asylum in an ally country, your probably best ally, the UK, within another part of that country, which is the embassy for another sovereign country, Ecuador. The brazenness to try to whack that guy. The balls. It's insane. I mean,

I get it. There's weird shit that goes on, but like that's not, you want to talk about, oh, we want to be a more free, transparent, you know, government. That's not helping, bro. Yeah. It's all a lie though. It's's all they don't want transparency. They're desperately trying to stop. They're using every excuse to stop just right now trying to find where the money goes with the whole Doge thing. And you could you could argue you might not want Musk in charge of it. I happen to love Musk as a businessman, an entrepreneur, as an innovative thinker, as a spaceman. I love him as that. As an unelected billionaire being given access to all the money. I would say the optics are horrible. I would say that you probably, maybe it's better just for optics to get someone else. However, that said, it's a noble cause. Yes. I also agree. I believe he single-handedly saved free speech by buying Twitter, by also agree. Or maybe a few decades. Yeah, I really thought that we were headed for that. And then all of a sudden you see this guy walking with a kitchen sink and he turns it all over single-handedly.

It takes a lot of courage to do that. He changed the tide. Look at Zuckerberg now trying to get on the train. You even see some of the fucking Sundar Pichai's up there on the stage at the inauguration with Trump. Like clearly listening. Bezos. Clearly listening or appearing to listen, I guess. I'll believe actions when I see it, but listening to the, to the sea change, it's, it's very,

very interesting. And, and I am a fan of Elon Musk. I think the guy's a brilliant man who truly loves what he does, has some unbelievably noble causes. And like, I just think he's great. Does that mean I like every single thing about him? No. And that's exactly right. And there's, there's some gray area with people. And I think Elon is like a little bit too caught up, like a little kid in the excitement of all this.

And like one of the things that is like a really dangerous thing to say when you think about free speech and what it's supposed to mean. But one of the things I said back in late 2022 when he took over is I'm like, this is a really big move potentially for humanity and within this country, especially for free speech. And I think that is amazing. I think he almost single-handedly saved it at that moment. I think that's amazing. But I could see that he was starting to inject his own opinions into things more. And as someone who outside of Saudi Arabia and Vladimir Putin is probably the richest guy in the world,

the optics of him buying a platform just for humanity, even if that's what he did. And I actually think he might have. And then using that platform to throw out his own opinions all the time made me nervous. And I'll tell you why. First of all, he's completely within his free speech rights that were, it's like, this is like a giant paradox that we're completely fighting for and getting this platform taken back. So you'd say, well, why do you have a problem with that? I'm saying that we had gotten, we had let this get to a point from a free speech perspective in this internet 2.0 age that was so bad, so bad that if the optics of a billionaire buying the platform, that's going to be his own personal playground in a sense, are going to come up, that would also look bad. And so if Elon Musk truly bought it for humanity because he wanted to save free speech, this is a paradox to say,

people, I understand this, but I said this back in 2022 and I feel stronger about it today. If he wanted to buy a platform where his sole goal was to save free speech, he might've needed to think about sacrificing his own in the process. Because right now, and I understand like the last four years with Biden and Harris were not good. They did a horrible job. The American people were lied to every day because, I mean, Biden wasn't even alive. I mean, it was terrible. So I fully understand where the pendulums of society are. But when you become like the number one Trump funder and every single thing that you tweet out even before he was doing this Doge thing is so hardcore in one direction and you are the most viewed algorithmically person on the app and you own it optically, it's not the best look.

This is what I'll have to say to that. And I'll probably come around to close to what you're saying, but not all the way. You don't have to. Yeah, no, no. That's why we talk here. Yeah, definitely. So, there were other, for a long time, we had to deal with Zuckerberg doing it one-sided. Yep.

The guy from Twitter before Musk. Yep. Doing it one-sided. Bezos at one point. Absolutely. You know, was one-sided um bezos at one point absolutely you know was one-sided um and then all of a sudden i think musk is the first one who's gone one-sided but the wrong way the wrong way i don't like saying it like that but that's how that that's how the people who are attacking him not necessarily you but the people who are attacking him are going well we like it when it's the right way that's right and we don't care how many trillions and gazillions you have, as long as you're saying

what we like or doing what we like or shutting down stories or ignoring them. But if you go that way, we really have to attack you. So now he's the first one who comes under fire where the rest of them sort of like ducked all the bullets and had no really like, okay, a couple of indie guys are yelling about us, but all the mainstream media is quite fine. That's right. Right. So that's what I feel like. That's why it gets hard to listen to it now. All the attacks on Musk. I'm like, well, you didn't have a problem when Musk was your prima donna, number one. You didn't have a problem with Bezos. You didn't have a problem with Zuckerberg. You didn't have a problem with, again, what's his name from Twitter?

Jack Dorsey. Dorsey. You didn't have a problem with Dorsey. Completely blacking out the laptop story. That's right. And you told us shut up when we said, you can't do that. It's free speech. So now, and I don't mean us because I don't mean I'm right or left.

I'm trying to look at it objectively. Now you see Musk, and I will say this, though. I said I could meet you a little on this. I would say Musk is such an incredible genius. Please get us to Mars. Leave the politics to other people at this point. He has such a brilliant mind. We're only going to have you for a small time on Earth.

If you live to 100, it's a flash in a pan. Yes. So we only have your brilliant mind for a small amount of time. You could get us to Mars. You could do innovations that are beyond our level of thinking. The guy's like, he's got like, he's got like the mind of like almost like an increased intelligence of an alien or something like from a different planet or sphere. He could be an alien. Who the hell knows? He's that brilliant. He's that brilliant. He is brilliant. He's that brilliant. He is brilliant. So me, as if I was his friend, I would say, look, Elon, you saved free speech in America. Okay. And now you've done great things by kind of shifting this whole Doge program into where government efficiency is so important. Our money is being

pissed away for so long and it's being robbed and everything else. And like the other side is trying to go, well, you're not allowed to look into the money. That's bullshit. You should absolutely be allowed. This USAID stuff is bullshit. It's a lot of- And I love that he's exposing that. I know a colonel who was stationed in Afghanistan for a long time.

And he goes, you have no idea the money we spent on programs there that would make your head spin. The other thing too, is we told women, so the party of women, why I was a little mad at them, the party of women, women's rights, we're the party of women, women's rights. The party of women and women's rights did a pullout in Afghanistan where all those women we told for years that you should tell your husband you have rights. You should be an ankle woman. You should be a cop. You should be whatever you want. Don't listen to your stupid masochistic husband who's from the dark ages. Then we just pulled out and left them to be raped and killed. And we're the party

of women. I don't want to hear that either. After we dumped all of that money into women's rights and trans rights and all those other things, and then we pull out and we left all of those. We said, oh, they're cavemen. You don't have to listen to them. They're in charge. So, you know, I mean, to me, it's like one thing after another, but getting back to Musk, I would say, okay, look, Elon, we need your brain for humanity's sake, for innovative ideas, for invention, for the great things that you've done. You pushed electric cars when nobody was able to put it together and pull it off. We talked about it for decades, but nobody did it till really him. SpaceX is an incredible thing. I mean, this is like, I love reading about the whole quest for the moon. And since then, I wrote a thing. One day I'll recite

it, but about us getting there. And it speaks to Musk. It goes to Musk. It's like an ode to him because he was going to get us there. And all of a sudden, I feel like this is a major distraction. So I feel like if you now ease out of politics, maybe, get back to being the genius that you offer all of humanity. So I do agree on that front. But in the meantime, he's done incredible things. You know, you got to love the guy. He's done incredible things for this country.

You know, I mean, this guy comes here with nothing. It's not like he was given billions of dollars. His father was a little bit of a hustler. He comes here. He makes his own way. His mother never had anything. And, you know, his mother was like little bit of a hustler. He comes here, he makes his own way. His mother never had anything. And his mother was like- Yeah, he's the American dream. Totally American dream.

Like there's no doubt about it. And I think it's a beautiful story. And I hate to see people attacking him with that. The point you make though, about how the platforms that had always gone one way, and now that one is going the other way- Everyone's mad. Now it's a problem. I completely agree. It's so hypocritical. And that's the really hard part. But I don't want it to see go one way. And now that one is going the other way, now it's a problem. I completely agree. It's so hypocritical. And that's the really hard part. But I don't want it to go that way either. I want it in between. That's the point. That's the point. When I look at this, it's just human nature, right? It's very hard for me to put myself in his shoes and all the attacks that he is.

Is he censored? Because I'm not on Twitter. I got a count, but I don't do nothing. Is he censoring anyone from the left? Is any of that happening now where you could accuse that it's one way and there's evidence to base it? very solid free speech. There's been some weird shit that isn't necessarily just left people, by the way, where accounts still get suspended on some things where it seems a little sketchy, but I don't have enough in front of me to really publicly go with that and make a full opinion. There's some stuff that looks a little sketchy, but I'd like to give the benefit of the doubt there. My thing is when you point to it

going one way in the past, and now it's suddenly a problem just because it's going what they view the wrong way. What you're talking about is something I cite all the time on this podcast in a million different contexts because it's the most important thing about the laws of the universe and how we relate to each other and how physical matter works and everything. And that is one of the universal laws of physics, which is for every action, there is an equal but opposite reaction, which creates an equilibrium and the wider range of the actions, the most violence to get to equilibrium. And I am a guy that always wants to be as close to equilibrium as possible in a perfect world. We'd always be there, but that's not really possible with human nature. That said, for a situation like this,

as hard as it is, and I can't even, I can't even imagine how hard it is. I don't even know all the things behind the scenes that he knows and the bullshit he sees and the crime that's probably committed against him. As hard as it is, the best opportunity with this would be able to take the high road and not politically go back against it and try to just create the middle ground free speech platform without injecting your opinion, even though that is again, and I, and I admit this, it's hypocritical to the idea of free speech, because that means it should be free speech for everyone from the poorest guy to the richest guy. So I, it's, it's a tough pill for even me to swallow when, when I explain it. I just wish it didn't get so politicized.

And like with independent media, and I don't want this to be twisted and sound any way. Like there's so many guys that I respect the fuck out of, for example, who went to the inauguration. And going to the inauguration, it's the American inauguration. Your president's coming in. That's fine. The optics of how some of this looks, though, is tough for me because I do my best. I'm sure I fail sometimes, but I'm always trying to look 10 years out. And all the things that we disliked in independent media about the mainstream media, righteously so, about the lying they did, the one-sidedness they did, all these different things that happened. No one believes anything anymore. Yeah. I don't want that anger to turn into people nestling up too close to the other side and becoming from the other side the very thing that they don't like. If you love America, the real, then you want a strong center.

And that's when the country is healthiest. It almost goes to like if you're centered as a person, right? You don't like throw yourself into one hobby or another too much. You have to stay centered. You don't drink too much. You drink in moderation. You have fun in moderation. You have quiet time in moderation.

You need a balanced lifestyle. I feel like a country is almost like a human body. And we are the body of the country, the people. And I always feel like a country needs to be centered as well. And I like a strong center. Now, having said that, I do feel like it pulled off. I feel like you have Musk, you have RFK Jr., you have Tulsi Gabbard. These are former Democrats who went this way because they felt like this aligns more with their values as former Democrats. Because things got so out of whack.

So out of whack. So they've lost, I felt like, the center on the left a lot. Yes. Where I'm socially progressive. I'm fine. I have friends who are gay. I'm fine if a woman gets an abortion, as long as it's an early month. You know, where, you know, the hard left is they should be able to get it to the last minute.

The hard right is no abortion, period. So, yeah, I'm where most Americans are, where like, hey, you know what? There are issues. Sometimes you can't force a woman to do, to take on something for the rest of her life. If it's early enough, please allow that to happen. I got you. I got you. You get it. So I'm very socially progressive, but I feel like now you're going to tell me it's okay to let, look, I'm for transgenders too. I was in jail with transgenders. I stuck up for them. You just don't want dicks in a women's bathroom. No. And I don't want a man beating up a woman or racing a woman. Give them their own category. I said that from day one. So, you know, this is like, and give them all of the respect that's due. They're humanity. They're God's children. Whether you want to admit that or not, there's one God. I believe in a one monotheistic. Me, you, every gay, every transgender, every male, every female, we're all the children of one God. So everybody is equal, deserving of equal rights, the same rights. And if anybody's rights are

violated, I'd be the first one to jump to defend them. I did it in jail. I do it on the street. So that's have no problem with that until you violate someone else's rights in defense of one person's rights. And I felt like that stepped over the line. That was starting to happen. It was starting to happen. And I get it, Lou. I get, like, I understand. I've seen the pendulums in society over and over again. I've seen it flip in both directions. And I always try to fight the flip. So I'm not faulting people for seeing those flaws. There's no doubt. There's no doubt about it. And I was not in the least bit surprised that Donald Trump won the election.

And I could make a very good case that he 100% deserved to just based on how crazy some things had gotten. And so people – hopefully we can learn a lesson from that as a society. And maybe we can incentivize some more moderate voices the problem is moderate voices are not what get clicks what gets clicks is extremism and i see it over and over again and you know i know there's a lot of people who think like i do i know that and i know a lot of them are listening right now there are not a lot of people who get attention who think like i do and that that's a really tough thing that that i that i wrestle with and and a lot of that is because people who think like i do don't even want to they're like fuck what all these other fucking people are saying i don't want to get involved with this and i respect

that it's just like it's very hard to get those voices to win because it's such a team society now. And it's extremely disappointing that like we can never have some sort of gray area on issue. It's either your team A or your team B. And that's just, not only does that go against my nature, that goes against human nature. Yeah. Yeah. Well, yeah, I felt like there was a series of mistakes made over the last several years that really opened up a lot of people's eyes. I mean, yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean, we could go on with that. We could go on and on and on. The USAID stuff, again, I wish it was someone else doing it.

You could get in any pit bull, any forensic. I remember I mentioned Carmine Bellino, Bobby Kennedy's like forensic accounting pitbull. There were a million absolute geniuses in there that could go in there and sniff out that stuff and get to the bottom of it. And we would then preserve Musk's mind for great things. So I remember one time, I remember one time I was reading about it. I think it was Isaac Newton and the great Isaac Newton, right? The great Isaac Newton. Right. He was like in charge of either like, I think like the, he was like in charge of either like i think like the he was either in charge of the treasury or the currency and he was chasing counterfeiters and when i'm reading it i'm going we lost isaac newton's mind to that crap any any any like um yeah where's your

time spent any like really good dogging investigator could have done that and we preserve isaac newton's mind for is Newton stuff. 100%. It's almost like having Da Vinci. You got one shot with Da Vinci. Yeah. Leonardo Da Vinci. So why are you digging through USAID? If I had Leonardo Da Vinci right now, I would say, you ain't going near any of that.

Please, Da Vinci, focus your mind on all these great things. So that's not even real criticism. No, I understand. I completely agree. Like, I don't like the optics. It's a compliment to him. I don't like the optics. And I also agree with that point you just made.

What I don't want to get lost in it is that it's not fucking awesome that like the USAID stuff, for example, is coming out. I'm so glad that's coming out. Let it come out. None of it surprises me. They haven't read one thing where I'm like, no way.

I'm like, yeah, it sounds about right. But the fact that the people are getting access to that and the fact that there are people who are so lost on the left side that they can't even admit that this is fucked up is crazy. Yeah. You know, and so it's. Those are extreme cases. And that's what I'm saying. That's why you need a strong center. Yes.

You need a strong center. Just what we just did. We talked about it and we said, okay, fine. This is fine that he's exposing it. Maybe not the optics of it might not be right. And I say, I'd rather have his brain also doing other stuff. So there's reasons why you'd want somebody else to replace him, but it's not that it's a bad thing. Right.

It's a damn good thing. But the people who are at risk of losing the billions of dollars that are being stolen are the people who galvanize to push attention against, you know, to tarnish it. That's where it's coming from, just so you know. 100%. Yeah. I mean, you could take any little HOA community in America and the boards do stuff that the people don't want done. There's something about people when they get into little groups of organized power. And there's reasons too. Of course, it always comes back to money, but things slip through the cracks in the

context of groupthink that leads back to money. But it's a crazy thing. Who do you, going back to the JFK assassination though, before we get out of here. On the day it happened, like we've gone through all different aspects of Dealey Plaza and all that. But based on everything that you've researched and put into your books, as best as you can tell it, do you have a number of shooters you think it was? Do you have people that you feel pretty sure were there or groups that were definitely represented? Yeah. So at the very least, it's two shooters.

You got the book depository and you got the grassy knoll. I believe it will come out that there's three at some point because there's an extra bullet that hit a piece of pavement and that's sort of like inconsistent. Also too, I would look closely at the Daltex building. Eugene Hale-Brading might've squeezed off a shot. Maybe he missed, but something happened. Eugene Hale-Brading? Eugene Hale-Brading, B-R off a shot. Maybe he missed, but something happened. Eugene Hale-Brading?

Eugene Hale-Brading. B-R-A-D-I-N-G. Eugene Hale-Brading. Can you pull me up? Yep. Eugene Hale-Brading. I believe he was caught in the Daltex building. He's a nefarious character connected to not only right-wing extreme groups, but also the mafia.

And there's a reason- How's he connected to the mafia? Well, he did a lot of work with mob guys. And at the La Costa Fairways in California, it was built by Teamster Money. He was one of the charter members. And all of the guys that golfed there were all hardcore mob bosses that hang out with him there, as well as Richard Nixon, as well as Teamster leader Jimmy Hoffa, and so on and so forth. Capos from the Genovese family, bosses from Chicago, they're all part of this La Costa Fairways, which was built with, I think, $28 million in Teamster pension fund money. So he's-

Can I also say he changed his name legally in September 1963? Before he went there. Yes, he changed his license and then goes there and then suddenly, mysteriously ends up in Dealey Plaza. Suddenly. Yeah, yeah. Okay. And he's got connections to Ruby and Ferry and Marcello organization. Do you think anyone was in the sewer and came out four blocks away?

No, supposedly they said Johnny Roselli was in the sewer and then other people. I don't know. That could have been, but I people. I don't know. That could have been, but I just, I don't know. It doesn't, those, those bullets came from,

they, they, they, they, he's in a kill zone with a Canyon of buildings. You don't need a guy in a sewer. You got, you could get away easily with that.

Maybe because you can go four blocks away and come out on the other side. No one sees. Look, I wouldn't rule out anything, but I personally, I know the grassy knoll was one of the places the shot was fired from. I'd love to see who the babushka lady was.

I wish that would come out. If that tape survived, if they destroyed it, if it exists still, I would bet my ass they destroyed it because she's facing the grassy knoll. She'd have a clean shot of the shooter. Also, too, I would think that the Daltex building is as good a shot as the book depository. And also don't forget, Ferry was saying leading up to this, a triangulation of fire.

So that would be three places, a triangle. So, and also too, by the way, in Oswald's apartment, there was a, uh, he had a diagram of bullets coming from buildings into Dealey Plaza, not from just the book depository. So that went missing, by the way. That went into the National Archives, rather. But a newspaper reported on it when it first was surfaced in the very beginning, and then no more articles and nobody sees it.

It's gone. And then they go, oh, it's kind of faded anyway. It won't help you. You won't see much anyway. Okay, can I see the damn faded thing then? You know, no, we don't want really, it's like that Mike Pompeo bullshit, you know? Yeah.

So, you know, you get a lot of that. So let's see if that comes up. So I do think there were at least two shooters, if not three, two of the bullets were too close together for it to be a bolt action rifle and Oswald or whoever else shot from the book depository to fire those boats. So at least, very least, his head went back. So we know that. Okay.

I believe Marcello funded the operation. I believe he was the underwriter when the government failed to fund the exiles and the CIA with what they were doing with Castro. I believe Marcello stepped in and when it was shifted, when Ferry shifted and said, let's not kill Castro, let's kill Kennedy and hopefully spark an invasion of the island and make Oswald look like a leftist Marxist. By the way, we never got into that. They photographed Oswald, Guy Bannister out of his office, photographed Oswald handing out left-wing material. And they were trying to really, really work him up all the time as this left-wing Marxist. But if he was such a left-wing Marxist, I don't know how he would have existed in the company more than five minutes of Guy Bannister and David Ferry, who were right-wing extremists.

They would have beat him over the head with a hammer and sickle. It would have been over in a minute. Yeah. So, and that supposedly this secretary for Guy Bannister said, hey, that guy Oswald, who's always in our office, he's handing out this Marxist stuff on the corner. And Guy Bannister said, don't worry, he's with us. So this was known. This is all my book. The sources are there. Read the book. All the moving parts are there, all the moving pieces. It's all there. It's all sourced in the back. If you want to look further into it, all my sources are in the back. But that said, I think Marcello underwrites it.

And at some point or another, you got David Ferry as the operational, the Klausowitz, shall we say, of the operation. He's the guy really, really putting this together. You may have rogue CIA agents. You may have Cuban exiles on the ground. They saw dark skinned people in the book depository, which could either be Cubans or Italians. Then you got,

you know, you got also to the secret service. I went through that soup to nuts with you. So somebody at a very high level in government was able to talk to somebody like Gerald Bain. I think who's calling the shots. In the East Wing. First going to take a vacation, then he decides he's not going to take a vacation,

and he's hanging out in the East Wing calling the shots from Washington, but not in the president's car where he's supposed to be. Very weird. And the series of things, if those things did not happen the way they did, John Kennedy could be alive today. I mean, if he lived long enough. So, you know, as crazy as all this is, it's really, really weird. It's a lot of moving parts. And once again, too, you know, that's why it's been so confusing to try to get to the bottom

of it. I think Hoover, as much as Hoover, Hoover was in charge of feeding the Warren Commission what they would see. He's an investigative body. They're just, they're an investigative, a makeshift investigative body that has no law enforcement authority. So they have to rely on Hoover, what he sends them. So Hoover did two things. He controlled what he sent them, meaning he sent them what he wanted them to see. And he also overloaded them with a lot of frivolous information to almost confuse them.

Like, you know, um, when Lee Harvey Oswald's mother went to the dentist, when Jack Ruby's mother was checked into an asylum, like all stuff that didn't matter, have nothing to do with it. They're overloaded with all this information and they have like a mandate to

get this done as soon as possible from Johnson. So, you know, I mean, Hoover's controlling that. Did Hoover, Hoover had the type of character that as much as he wanted to cover it up, that's as much as he would want to investigate it and know the real truth behind it, soup to nuts himself. So I believe Hoover did get to the bottom of it and knew what happened personally. It was inside of his own head by the time it was done because he wouldn't want to know. He wouldn't want to continue not knowing who was involved and who did what. That's the kind of mind he had. He was an inquisitive law enforcement officer. He wasn't a fraudulent law enforcement officer. He was real. So he would want to get to the bottom. He just wouldn't expose what he was finding. So he's feeding them one line because he'd make statements that were contradictory. He said right away, Ruby was another lone nut. But he said in private, it's obvious somebody was silencing somebody else.

Like he knew what's going on, but that's in private. So, you know, he said, oh yeah, it was Oswald. He's the lone up. And in private, he says, that wasn't Oswald in Cuba. Someone, I mean, in Mexico city, someone was impersonating him. And I have proof from my agents. And I talked to this one and I talked to that one. You know, I mean, I have a testimony from my agents who said it wasn't him. They looked at the pictures, they heard the audio. They knew who Oswald was. It wasn't, it wasn't him. They looked at the pictures, they heard the audio, they knew who Oswald was. It wasn't him. So he kind of wanted to get to the bottom of it. He was searching, but his probing was personal. On the outside, he was covering it up because he had a reason to as we went over. So I mean, there's a lot of moving parts, but again, if you looked at something I did and you didn't know that I put the whole crew together during a heist, you would say, well, how does Alessio stealing a car and you giving me an apartment for two days or two hours and another guy getting me the guns and another guy?

How does all this work out? Only I know. Only I know. And if I don't tell you, you kind of can't put the pieces together. So if they compartmentalize the whole thing, it's impossible if only one person knows or a couple people know. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Crazy stuff, man. Lou, this was awesome going through this whole thing. As always. Thank you. The research is amazing. You got two of what will be three books out is Borgata. First one is Rise of Empire. Second one is Clash of Titans.

This is a full history of really like it's a history of the last century of America with a little bit of pretext before that going back to Sicily. But the last century and change of America through the lens of organized crime more than it's just a history of just organized crime itself. Because a lot of stuff, as we've talked about today with the JFK stuff, it overlaps like crazy. So great stuff, my man. Good to have you back. Thanks for doing it. Thanks so much. Absolute pleasure to be with you again. All right, brother. We'll do it again sometime. Keep going. Everybody else, you know what it is. Give it a thought. Get back to me.

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