Julian Dorey Podcast - #304 - Spec Ops Commando on Military’s WORST Leader, the Nuclear Hunt & God | Johnny MF Glenn

Episode Date: May 26, 2025

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Me as a veteran for 21 years, if you hold up an American flag, everybody knows what the f*** it is. We are the best of the best. So when we first got to Afghanistan, dude, they wouldn't even shoot at the throwing boxes. Because they know when you shot at us, we're coming right for you. That vibe shifts though. But that vibe shifts, yep. Did you lose some of the guys on your team too? Sean Farr, and he was on my truck, and I remember calling Potter.

I was damn sure on you, white dude. I ain't never seen nobody as f***ing white. I was like, where the hell are you from? He was like, I'm from New York, T.V. I was like, good lord, dude. I'm calling you Potter. You ever seen the movie Potter? He's like, no, I don't think I've seen it. I remember he ended up getting shot and killed. I remember I pulled him out of the truck and he smiled, his eyes were rolling.

He was gone. And then some of the things I've survived and some of the things I've seen. Were you in operation on Rocky Freedom? Yeah. Our rack, totally different war. We said there was weapons of mass destruction there and we hit this compound.

And inside that building, I want to never forget it. There were cells on one side of the wall, dude. There was bird cages everywhere. Dead birds, dead rats, and rat cages everywhere in that one. It was a laboratory it. There were cells on one side of the wall, dude. There's bird cages everywhere. Dead birds, dead rats and rat cages everywhere in that was a laboratory and all down on that bottom thing. There was. Hey guys, if you're not following me on Spotify, please hit that follow button and leave a five star review. They're both a huge, huge help. Thank you. When you first get down there though, those months before you're out doing patrols and stuff, are you getting handed off through the various chains of Intel to or having guys

handed to you, I should say, that are going to be your interpreters and are going to be in the field with you or did you have to go out and develop those people? For the most part the first couple years of the war dude you're developing that stuff every now and then the three letter agencies they'll throw you a they might throw you a little bone they might like here dude we've been working with this guy he knows the area yeah then you get with that guy and then that guy he has a reputation too so he's like hey I work the CIA. I can work with these guys. And then you just tell the guy, like, look, dude, you screwed me, this is what's gonna happen.

Because we know your family, we know where you live, but this is what we're trying to accomplish. And then if you recruit the guy, if you, not recruit him, but if you're using the guy for the right reasons, he's using you for the right reasons, you're both getting used. So at the end of the night, you got yours, I got mine, we go home happy.

Call me up when you're lonely So you're you're going out the first times you're going out in the field You're kind of going out blind and you're trying to find these people you're blind you're looking at maps You're looking at you know, you're looking at maps and you just driving and there's multiple languages across the country as well So like it's not like you have them all covered in your group No, but I'm also Arabic you did. Yeah, but I speak modern and standard Arabic, which is totally a different dialect than anywhere I live in Afghanistan. Because I want to say there's like 90 dialects of Arabic.

Sounds right. Yeah. So that is. This is shit ton. And the Shiites are not going to speak what the Muslims speak over here or the Shiites speak over here. So you might live two blocks of the street, and I can't even communicate with you.

Because it's all religious and all that crap base. So so what was the first time I mean take me there? What was the first time where I don't know where you are if you're in a town or you come across someone where you build a relationship And how did it happen? So basically what we do is we arrived these different villages and you would come in you were talking It's pretty funny that you always find no matter where you go in the world, this side, we got the best country. No matter where you go, somebody speak a little bit of English. No matter where I've been, dude, I don't care where I go,

I've been in the middle of nowhere. And when you speak English, they're like, no, no, wait, wait, wait. And you make a few phone calls, dude, you just see a little moped coming up. Guy be like, hey, how are you? Like, hey, you're learning this shit. Oh, I went to school in Pakistan. I went to Boston one time. You're like, really? So let's talk. I went to Boston. Boston one time. That's not where I'd learn exactly.

And he like, what did you go to Boston for? First off, you know, like the fucking South. And then I go, he's wicked smart. And then you just start talking to him. And then before you know it, you got not really interpreted, but you got somebody that can kind of close the gap. And then you just start talking like, hey, any bad guys around here? And it's crazy, because at the first beginning of the war, nobody wanted to say nothing. They'd be like, no, no, this place is very, very,

it's very, no bad guys here. Because again, like I was explaining to him when we were eating, Afghans are in a rock and a hard place, man. And it took me three or four years to realize that, because I was the type, if they shot at us, you knew they were here, why didn't you tell us? Yeah. Especially one of my guys got hurt, dude, or worse. Dave got blown up in 2004, September 23rd,

and his last name's Glenn. So he's like my little brother. They call him Ebony Nugger. Lost both legs, left testicle, ring finger, some teeth out of his mouth, retina got messed up. Just all jacked up, right? But he lived, he's alive. And so I lost my shit, came unglued. Like, hey, you motherfuckers knew we were here to help you. You let us drive by IED and didn't even try to stop it. So, long story short, you know,

you try to show the people the compassion, but like I was telling him, they stuck in a rock and hard place because we're the Americans, we got ROE's. They know, and they know this shit, they know the ROE better than we do. They know the Americans are not going to start killing us. You know, I might smack a guy on, as my dad was saying, I'm going to hit a woman, but I might shake him.

So I might shake a guy a little bit, shake him up a little bit. But he knows for the most part, guys aren't going to hurt me. He's an American. Whether it's a family member, friend, or furry companion joining your summer road trip, enjoy for the most part, guys are gonna hurt me. He's an American. From now until June 30th, lease the 2025 Volvo XC60 from 1.74% and save up to $4,000. Condition Supply. Visit your GTA Volvo retailer or go to volvocars.ca for full details. It won't take long to tell you Neutral's ingredients. Vodka, soda, natural flavors. So, what should we talk about? No sugar added? Neutral. Refreshingly simple. But if that guy tells me anything,

and the Taliban are watching, because everybody's got ears around their, somebody knows the Taliban are gonna tell them, or the al-Qaeda, whoever, he knows he's either gonna get his ass whooped, he's gonna die, or his family's gonna die, some member. So he's caught between that. I don't... I can't tell this guy anything.

But if I don't tell this guy anything, they're not gonna beat me. But they still can hurt my family, because they don't care. So you have to be smart about, you have to be very witty about how do I get information out of this guy? Because a lot of times he won't talk to me.

So I've literally grabbed guys dude and shook him up and be like, you tell him right now, da da da, he won't tell him I heard him. And my interpreter would be like, I'm gonna hurt him, but my interpreter already told me, hey Johnny, this guy talked to us. And then what you do is you play in front of everybody. So the guy don't say nothing.

Then interpreter tells him like, hey, we'll come back and see you at midnight, one o'clock tomorrow. Right, so it looks like. It looks. You're constantly playing a game because you don't know. Cat and mouse, man, it's chess. Yeah.

That whole place, dude. And it took me three, four years to learn that, because I was the type, if you shot at us, violence of action. If you hurt one of my guys, it's extreme violence of action. It's a violent action that escalated with whatever situation it is. Yeah, but to your point, it's so complicated,

because there's such a culture of fear and pressure over there. And so, you know, it's got to be tough reading though, who's like a true believer. Yeah. You know, because there's some people who'd be saying, oh, innocently, but they actually they are fighting at night. And they're fighting at night. Yeah. And you just, for the most part, I was telling him earlier, for me, what I would look for

and my guys, we always wanted that guy that telling him earlier, for me, what I would look for in my guys, we always wanted that guy that had a family, had kids, he had something to lose more than just his belief. Yeah. You mean like, I don't want a young guy that, you know, I can easily influence or tell him, hey dude, I'll give you 72 versions and 10 grand, and he's gonna go make it happen, you know what I mean?

But if I got that guy that's got a family, and he's telling me like, I'd like to see my kid go to college one day. Where you want him to go to college at? I'd love for him to go to college in America. Well, where? There's a shit ton of colleges. Well, New Jersey.

First thing I'm gonna do is get on the phone. I'm telling somebody, hey dude, send me some New Jersey colleges. I don't care what colleges they are. Send me some pamphlets ASAP. And then I'm meeting with that guy and we're talking just like we're talking right now. I'm like, Hey, oh yeah, by the way, a buddy of mine just sent me these.

This is where your wife, this is where your daughter could go to college at. This is how many college are just on the South side of New Jersey. Yeah. And he's looking at, and that is possible. And the only way we get there is we work together. And I used to tell them straight up front, just like I tell people all the time, like me, my life, I used to tell this dude, I went to KLEs where they wanted to kick me out at first.

KLEs? The key leader engagements. Oh, okay. Because I'd speak and I'd tell my interpreter, I'm like, you say exactly what I'm saying. And I point out, I don't give a fuck about you, I don't give a fuck about you, I don't give a fuck about you,

I don't give a fuck about you. Who I do care about is those kids running around in the streets because I'm not gonna change none of your opinions in here and how you think. And I would tell them that straight up front. I go, but those kids out there, they're innocent. They have nothing left with them but the life ahead of them. Did that ever get through to some of them?

Some of them it did, man. The ones that had younger kids are the ones that had kids or saw the kids that went to college in Pakistan or went to Ukraine or went to Europe somewhere and went to college. Those are the ones that it got through quick. Because they saw the life that their kids were living, as opposed to how they were living.

And they'd be like, well, how can we help? But then you always get them... It's just like where I grew up. You get the old school, or we call them old heads, that dude, they're stuck in their ways. You know what I mean? Like, the old pimps, he's still pimping in the old pimp way. Like, you know you meet more women on Instagram, bro.

Nah, man, I'm gonna go down to the local Walmart night and pick up Big Booty Judy. He's like, nah, dude, like, you don't do that shit no more. You know what I mean? Like Instagram, bro. Nah, man, I'm gonna go down to the local Walmart night and pick up big booty Judy. He's like, nah, dude, like, you don't do that shit no more. You know what I mean? Like, that shit's old, dude. They still driving the same old car, you know? So those guys are stuck in their ways. And they're gonna die in their ways.

And a lot of times, dude, like over there, like, be honest with you, like, you know, we never murdered anybody, but it's a few times where I'm like, you know if we just kill that KLE guy, if we kill that, if we kill that village, that villager right there, we'll be fine. We didn't even get rid of him. It's not easy. You think it would be that easy?

It'd be that easy. Because he has that much influence. It's like we were saying earlier, when you've been raised a certain way your whole life, that's all you know. And that guy carries more weight than the, than the Koran. Because he's there. So if you get rid of him, now it might be a little chaos at first,

cause people are like, oh my God, who's in charge? Well, he's got a predecessor. And guess what? The predecessor's usually a little younger. He sees how technology works, just like me and my podcast. When my daughter first came, she's like, daddy, you can't do that.

I'm like, what do you mean? No daddy, you gotta order this, this and this. I'm like, good Lord, you saw how expensive it is? Why can't we just do it with the phone? She's like, No daddy, you gotta order this, this and this. I'm like, good Lord, you so expensive, I can't wait to do it with the phone. She's like, no daddy, you can't do it. So now I had to get all this gear, and then I get it and guess what? I can't even fucking work it, I'm gonna turn it on.

Because I'm anti-technical, I'm a pass that, not pass, but I'm not as tech savvy as my kids are, or their kids are gonna be. So it's like shit, so it's the same way over there. If you can get rid of, and I'm not saying that always wrong, you keep the culture, you keep the values, you keep the history. But if the old way is corrupt or is.

Exactly, and that's exactly what it is, and we know that, we see it. It's like, hey dude, we know Afghans came here last night, we know it, or we know Taliban came here last night, and we know you're helping them. And I used to tell them, and I can't blame me, you got a wife and kids, I cannot blame you. But the only way this is going to stop is you tell me when they're coming. Let my guys sleep in your house and we will stop all that. You're looking at a crowd of people though, like when you're talking with one of these

guys who speaks a little bit of English, you can relate there because you're speaking the same language. But you're watching everyone else around too, to try to get a beat and none of these people speak your language. So are you just, you know, it's hard for me to like picture that because when I read body language, I'm usually doing it in a scenario where, you know,

we're all native speakers and there's words going on too. But like when you're watching people who you don't know what they're saying or what they're thinking because they're thinking in a different language than you, what are you looking for? So what I do is I key off of that Villa Gelder, right? Say you're my interpreter and I'm looking at you and I'm telling you to tell him something and you telling him, right? Say I tell you, Hey, and my interpreters, one thing about our interpreters, dude, they say exactly what we say.

Even though it makes sense. I just tell my interpreter, word for word, you tell them exactly what I'm saying. And I remember asking my interpreter one time, can you say the word motherfucker in Afghan? And he's like, oh, Johnny, it'd be more like this. I said, no, that don't sound good. I said, a word motherfucker's gotta have a ring to it. The fucker of the mother.

Exactly, the fucker of the mother. Put it in reverse. And so what ended up happening was, what I do is I'll tell my interpreter to say something. And then once he starts talking, he talks a lot enough. And our interpreter is not like, I'm telling you, like he knows, like you say a lot enough because we've talked, rehearsed and told him, this is what I want you to do. So what I would tell you to do is I was like, Julian, you tell him right now, I care more

about what his kids are going to be like when they grow up and be his age. I don't give a fuck about him. When you look at him and you talking to him, you saying that? I'm not even looking for the guy he's talking to. I'm looking around in that crowd and I'm looking for that one guy that's doing this. He's getting what I'm saying.

He is getting it. So you're looking for the positive reaction. I'm looking for that reaction where I want my kids to be able to live freely and not, you know, under a tar. I want them to be free and have a good life. Yes. And then I'll ask him, like, Hey, how long are you really living in this village?

Has this village changed at all? Do you guys have a school? And when you start saying shit like, do you have a school? Would you like a school? You see that one guy back there that or girl back there looking up like, yeah. And then you say, hold on, hold on, hey, do me a favor, ask that guy what he thinks about a school.

And then if that guy says, I don't think a school be a bad thing, if he said it in their language, I know for a fact, dude, you might not be on the same sheet of music I am, but we're on the same page. So if I can get you alone, away from the rest of these people, where nobody can judge you,

and tell them that you're talking to us, we're good to go. That's my foot in the door. And then once I get him, guess what? He got likenesses or he's got the same moral values that his friend right next to him and their friend right next to him, hey dude, I got four or five guys feel the same way. They're just not gonna say anything

because they know the repercussions. All right, well, I'll tell you what, do y'all ever go to Kandahar? Do you ever go to Kabul? Do you ever go to Bagram? Sometimes. Well, I will pay for your gas to get to Bagram. Let me know what day you're coming so we can talk. Or you just meet him somewhere where he can meet at.

Now I go talk to this guy. I get this guy on the same sheet of music, man. And then, you know, at the end of the day, most parents, they just want their kids to have a better life than what they had. Yeah. That's it. That's 90% of Americans. They just want their kids, their loved ones, to live better than what they live.

That's what my dad wanted, his dad before him wanted. That's what I want. So would you guys, I'm really specifically talking about the first couple years there. Would you guys just kinda go out to any one of these tens of thousands of villages, basically, that exist across the country,

and do this same exact thing to almost try to weed out who you could recruit? Yeah. That's pretty much the job. It's just like with, it's just like in a, say, I related to inner city drugs. If you get an undercover agent, or if you get a narc and you get somebody that's informant and he's undercover,

you go to the next city, that guy's usually gonna tell you, he's gonna go talk to you. Hey man, I got a guy you can go talk to. Go talk to Julian, he'll talk to you. Now you go talk to him, now Julian's gonna tell him, hey man, this is where they sell him from.

East block, west block, south block. Same over there, man. You're doing the same thing. It's the same thing. I'm talking to this guy, he's gonna put me in contact with another guy on the same sheet of music. Now before you know it, I've got a network of guys built around me.

Now I can expand that white space. Now all I gotta do is show this guy what we're doing is actually positive for you. And once they see that, Dave, now they start recruiting for you. Now you just have- Oh, they start doing it without you then. Yeah, they start recruiting for you and once they see that then now they start recruiting for you now you just start doing it without you they just start recruiting for you now how do you trust what they're bringing in to you that's not you do well you have to be smart about it so what I would do is like where's this guy from mmm they tell you where he's from who's his family how are you in bed with him

oh I know him cuz he married my sister okay marriage is cool cuz this guy screws me over then not only you gonna're going to get it, your sister's going to get it. Now you kind of like, you know, and it's a blanket threat to the guy, but he don't know that. You know what I mean? And now for the most part, you can tell do they bring in a like minded guys. And then that's when you start setting up your, your, your, your network as you get like Intel though, from these guys, because that's what you're doing.

You're setting up an Intel network to understand what's going on on the ground. Or what was the procedure? Are you sharing this internally with your commander, and then it goes where it goes? Or are you doing inter-agency type stuff? Both, it depends on what the Intel is. Now for us, if it's life outside of limb,

life outside, you send that out wide, that's blasted. But if I got a guy that's telling me like, Hey, john, I know what his ID makers working out. I know he lives at I noticed that another I'm sending that out to everybody and I'm asking other agencies, asking other teams, hey, anybody in this area, anybody got in somebody in this area that can verify this. Then you start bouncing Intel off each other. Because they're pretty fucking smart. Because I tell you what I have one guy doing. I have one guy working in one area of Afghanistan.

And that motherfucker drive a day away to another area of Afghanistan where some other SF guys were and reporting almost the same shit to them. And me and him start reading our reports. I'm like, Hey, do you get the same info I'm getting? It was got to be true. I'm like, okay, well, who's your who's your guy? fucking guys driving across the country. It's got to be true. I'm like, okay, well, who's your guy? Fucking guy's driving across the country. He's smart, dude. And we figured that out just by his phone. Phone's pinging.

You're like, damn, dude, this guy was just here. Like, hey, you're running this number for me. Hey, he's hustling for that money. And he was hustling, which is a plus for me. Because to me, I don't look at it like most people. Most people are always playing both sides. No, I look at it like this dude hustle. Like, hey, you're a hustler.

Trust but verify. Check this out. Look, dude, you're a hustle. Why are you going to hustle me when you can make more money hustling to get me to the guys I need to get to? Yeah. So why don't we do this?

And you guys are like, oh, this is good. I was like, you should have told me that from the beginning. You should. They're like, I'm on your side, bro. Yeah. And now he's doing things I didn't even know. But now, what also what he's told me is he's's got, you know, he can go into that area right there

where my other guys are. So now you tell me, how the hell are you moving freely from the Maru Valley all the way over to Shaka Valley, whatever, how are you doing that? Because you should have got your ass beheaded and got fucked up. How are you doing that? And he goes, oh, I got a cousin there.

Oh really, so what do your cousin do? Now I'm growing my network through him. And it's just people are people, man. Just like when you go to Boone, if I don't know somebody in Boone that you know, I'll know somebody that knows somebody. And now I put that link matrix together and then before you know it,

we just started us a little small militia in Boone. And you're also, that's the thing. You're also constantly high level problem solving because you're in a war situation. It's not regular society or something like that. So this is all you're also that's the thing you're also constantly high-level problem-solving because you're in a war situation You know, it's not regular society or something like that. So this is all you're thinking about It's all they're thinking about too. So it's constantly high stakes For the scenario of like building a size of a network. It kind of couldn't be better Could be better at all and then you for you know it I got a map up and I'm like, all right This guy is an ID maker. All right, this guy right here is a farmer.

He's holding a fucking fertilizer for this ID maker, but I don't know what his ID maker is. But I got another guy over here telling me he's the one selling the fuel to this guy that's delivering the damn fertilizer to the ID maker. Okay, so now I got to get this fuel guy because this guy don't want to give up the ID maker because ID maker gonna blow his fucking house up. So now how do I get through this guy by with and through this guy to this fuel guy to make sure look at do And I tell you he's gonna disappear you're gonna work about ID maker

But this is what I need not only do I need who's making IDs I need to know what components he's making it from where they coming from out of Pakistan When they're coming out of Pakistan not saying they're coming out of Pakistan But if they are then that's I need to know when they're coming through who's, not saying they're coming out of Pakistan, but if they are, then that's what I need to know. When they're coming through, who's shipping them, what trucks are carrying them. So now it just grows, dude. And now before you go in there,

I'm gonna go cut the head off of the snake, all they're gonna do is replace the ID maker. Just like if you got sick tomorrow, he can run everything in this podcast because he's been doing it. Anybody in that ID making sale can run that ID making sale. But guess what? If I can cut off your supply line of where that's coming from

I can cut off where you get all the supplies from then I can handle your operations for a good little wall I mean and that might give me time to Not make maybe turn you probably not if you're a hardcore ID maker probably be hard to turn you but I can at least Let you know. Hey dude. Let me tell you something right now. I know where you are. I'm gonna send you a picture real quick, all right? Take this and give that to the guy tomorrow. And I'm gonna get a satellite image of his house, his wife walking out getting water at the creek,

and his kids out playing in the yard. And I'm gonna be like, and then I'm gonna be like, hey, so check this out, dude. Like, here's the deal. I'm the one turning off all that shit. So you mean so, and at that point, you just kinda, it's a cat and mouse game, man. And if people to...

Your shooter motherfucker, your doctor motherfucker, and your detective motherfucker. You try to be... You got a lot of roles. Jack of all trades, man. Yeah. That's what I tell people. When people talk shit about SF guys,

they're like, oh, them guys are, they're just, hey, they're just, you know, they're handing out food and... Nah, dude. If people only knew what I can do in a meeting of just handing out an MRE. It blow people's mind, not just me, but as if guys in general, what they can do, hand it out. Just one MRE dude could change a war man.

And it does. We did in Afghanistan. We did all the time. What was the, I always think of this in eras with how it went, but obviously, you know, you were later in Iraq, but Iraq doesn't happen till March 2003 officially. And it's easy to look at the global war on terror and that whole era and see kind of the disastrous conclusions

they came to in a lot of ways. But in doing that, you can kind of forget that the first year and a half there when the focus was on Afghanistan, there was some massive success. Oh yeah, it was. You know, Afghanistan was a military success until we took our eye off the ball and went to Iraq.

So, you know, as you're moving across the country throughout 2002 and into 2003, you know, are you seeing at this point like, oh shit, I think we're really getting rid of the Taliban. Like was that? You thought that? It felt like that. Yeah, it felt, and here's why I kinda think we went wrong

cause I'm not a politician, I don't try to be. But where I think we went wrong with Afghanistan, a lot I think went wrong. Cause I'm speaking from on the ground, this is where I'm at on the ground. Where I was in Afghanistan, where I think we went wrong, because I'm speaking from on the ground. This is where I'm at on the ground. Where I was in Afghanistan, where I think we went wrong, it was... SF, we fucked up big time. And I'll tell you how we fucked up.

We were in the game, we were in the Super Bowl. Every door we came to, Johnny Glenn was first at that door, Rush Codden was first at that door. We're in those rooms fast, we're in those rooms fierce. We're taking out the bad guys, we're doing that. And then, 2012, 2013, 14, let's change this. Let's put the Afghan face on it. Let's let the Afghans do their own raids,

plan their own missions. Wish they were, and they did a pretty decent job at it. But as soon as shit went to shit, or the shit hit the fan, they're looking back at us like, sir, here. Like, hey Johnny, you can come storm this building. Well, shit, I guess I am, because bullets are flying. I'm not going to get killed.

Like, get the hell out of the way. Move to the back. Let's go do this. So in retrospect, now I can say we screwed that pooch. As SF guys, as operators, you know, CAG, all of us, we screwed that pooch in the fact that when we first went in that country, we should have went in that country to design them, to, you know, stand on their own, sustain themselves.

It also, it seems like though, and this is just my read from all the people I've had in here who were in Afghanistan the same year as you were, it seems like something as the resources got pulled and as they started to put, as you're putting there, like more emphasis on the Afghans taking the lead on things. It seems like in those years, 06, 07, 08, 09, 10, two things happened. The Taliban was rising back up in strategic areas through fear, which is what they do.

Obviously like they're bad guys and that's how they do things. But they also were able in some cases to literally change some hearts and minds. Change some people back to the dark side, if you will. Like, well, this might be better in what the fuck we're dealing with. Why do you think that was?

I think it was one because Afghans start seeing the right on the wall We take a place hold it and leave Tell them come right back in there And you know what I'm saying when I come back in there you see the Americans are doing they coming in they leaving They coming in they're leaving that's exactly what started happen. And another thing we did was in my opinion You don't go into one man's country and tell them what to do So we went in Afghanistan and like I said, I'm not a politician, I'm just telling you

what I saw on the ground. Oh yeah. On the ground, what I saw was we would go do a DA hit, right, we go hit a HVT, a high value target. We hit a high value target and it could have been killed, captured or whatever, right? Say we captured a guy. We had a couple that captured, put the guns down,

we captured a guy, right? We bring that guy back. Instead of turning that guy over to the Afghans and letting them deal with the guy, we want to try to trial that guy like we were trialing like an O.J. Simpson or some shit. Like, no, dude, it is not the American judicial system. If we turn that guy over to the fucking Afghans and they kill him, then they kill him.

It's their government. But what we try to do, in my opinion, we came there, we try to set up trials. If we caught a guy, you release him. Then if you caught him again, he would go into confinement, or you're gonna puck on the confinement, or whatever the hell it was, he would go in, you'd keep him for 30 days or whatever,

like he was in jail, like he's back in the States. He's in jail for 30 days, now he's got a trial date. Why the hell would a dude come to trial? Dude, you're in Afghanistan. So to me, I feel like we struck out right there trying to set up a judicial system in a country that fears what they understand. So if you get a bad guy and they want to kill him, by all means you do what you want to do.

And people say, oh yeah, but you're still- It's their culture. Yeah, but it's their culture. You're not promoting savages. They killing the bad guy. They getting rid of him. Getting him off the battlefield. It doesn't help if we try him

and then put him back on the battlefield. Because now I guess he's telling his buddies, hey, dude, the Americans can catch you. They're going to put you in a box. They're going to lock you up. And guess what? They're going to feed you, and they won't even feed you pork. They won't even get you to the Moon Nine pork meal. They'll make sure it's not pork.

It's like, dude, what are we doing? So when you start coming in, you start coming in the bog room and you seeing guys you caught, you're catching the same guys once and twice. Like, all right, dude, now it's time to, it's time for us to take matters not only because we aren't fixing it, but all these brains, people that aren't on the ground and not getting the ground truth, they're, they're thinking is, and these are smart people up in, you know, on the, on the Beltway, they're thinking, hey, if we can get a justice system where we can lock these people up, well, first off, Afghanistan got a damn jail system.

So let's just get rid of them. You know what I mean? Like I hate to say it, just get rid of them. They're going to be a detriment to society, get rid of them. But we didn't. And so now that's easy for the Taliban to play that side. It seems like we are, and we've seen this case study over and over again, we try to go everywhere and spread democracy.

Sometimes democracy is a myth. That's what I'm saying. People don't want it in some places. Not to say I don't think it's the best system I do, but like you're dealing with places in many cases around the world that have thousands and thousands of years of history of something different.

Of fear. So guess what? And here's what I say. Just like Saddam Hussein. When Saddam Hussein died, dude, I'm like, we should have kept that motherfucking power. Because he had people, you know what I mean? He had people in check, dude. Like, hey, buy down. They're like, okay, buy down. Hey, do what the master told us. You know what I mean? And it's the same way some of these countries go in. If you got, the way I look at it is is Like I was just describing our life. I got a guy in that in that crowd That I know I don't have to turn him all the way. I don't want to be American be you I don't ever turn you but if I can get you kind of moving in the right direction of hey, dude We need education. We need systems. We need this and then bring in some of these wicked brain people

Afghanistan is one of the most highly resourced natural resources places in the world yeah why not let's go over there instead of trying to subjugate the system several ways to sustain themselves because when I was in there in 1415 we were riding in the middle of nowhere tom and I saw Chinese people all day long all everywhere Chinese people in Toyotas and you know they're looking for uh there's a lupus lapis whatever it's called a little blue The little shit. It's like a diamond not a diamond. It's like a it's a natural resource. They have lithium. No, not lithium. It's a Look up lapis lapis lapis. Is that it? It's like a stone. It's a blue stone. Okay

And they sell in jewelry stores here. There it is right there. There we go. I'm unfamiliar with that. That shit is everywhere, dude. And you saw Chinese people in 14 and 15. Yeah, they're going down the road. I don't know where I'm like, holy shit, just shoot them all. What the hell going on? Psychic abilities. Wow. But you can use it for so many things. So the point I'm trying to get at, instead of us trying

to run a democracy, let's set them up. Let go in and let's build a help them build a damn factory Where they can actually make this shit and create jobs? Yeah, you can't then that's the thing you can lead the horse to the well can make them drink it Can make them drink can make them drink. I think we have a big case study in that like there was There was a podcast Joe Rogan did way back in the day There was a podcast Joe Rogan did way back in the day for his show. I want to say this was like 2013, 2014 with that CIA guy, Mike Baker. And I listened to it years later, like after the Afghanistan pullout. And Mike Baker, play by played, almost down to the detail of like the helicopter that

was going to look like Saigon, exactly how it was going to go down. And when I hear something like that, like seven, eight years before it happened from someone, you know, a guy who's analyzing this on the ground has been there knows what it is. He's on the ground. And that's it. And I talked to more and more people and they're like, Yeah, a lot of us were saying it. It's like you could see the writing on the wall a long time before because it was like we're beating this just the way I take it, we were beating a dead horse with some of these same action items that weren't working and some people in fucking offices in DC were like, no, it'll work the 10th time we try it and it doesn't. Look at the Russians when they went in there. They did the same thing. They tried to strong hand them. You're not going to strong hand them because they got the tactical advantage

in that country, period. And then second, okay, how do we just make the country better pillies? Just something as simple as, like we opened up two or three schools while I was there. Phenomenal, I thought it was great. That's so cool you did that. I thought it was awesome.

And dude, I would write back home and tell people like, the whole team was, hey, send us book bags, send us notebooks, send us paper, send us pencil. Dude, we have all kinds of shit. You take that to the school, you give it to the school, like hey, this is what we want you guys to have, what can we help you guys with? Because now, in my eyes, that generation right there,

my kids shouldn't have to fight that generation. Because one, they're getting smarter. And two, guess what? These Americans are helping me get an education. These Americans are helping us get smarter. They're actually helping us in our day-to-day lives, not setting up setting up a democracy. It'd take hundreds of years to set up a democracy. But if you want to start somewhere, start with the kids, start small, start where we can educate the women, educate the kids, then we can employ them. Because if we can't employ them, it's just

like Mexicans, man. People are talking about everybody, the border is such a problem because there's no work there. And the people that are coming here, in my opinion, nobody's coming into America, I didn't say nobody. 98%, and I could be wrong, but I will say 98%, I stand by this, of the people that are crossing the border illegally, they're coming here to work an innocent job,

a job, and make innocent money, to take care of their family back there. No doubt in my mind, they're trying to make a better life for their families. So why don't I just make it there? Same thing I was saying earlier. You could also show them, like, Alessi, can we pull this up, 1960s Afghani women college?

Like, did you ever show them what it was not that long ago in Afghanistan before the Taliban? Yeah, we talked about it. Oh yeah, I just talked to the elders all the time. It's not like 300, yeah, look at that fourth picture right there. You know that the Afghan scientists or astrologers or whatever they were, they were some of the smartest ones in the world. We actually recruited them to go somewhere. There's a book I read. We tend to do that.

But they were talking about how smart these guys were. Like they envied all this shit. But yet you go place there and there's not even running water electricity I'm like what they know that's fucking crazy. Like these pictures look and there's similar pictures in like Iran and 1970s They look fake just based on what we know But this is what this is this is one and a half two generations, but but you know what happened Taliban Okay, to whoever you want to call it. They saw the empowerment of women coming. We embraced it, which is great. I got two daughters. We embraced that. They didn't embrace it. They were like,

nope, a woman is supposed to be in the house making me tea and chai and birth women, birth children. That's it. Birth children. That's all they wanted. And so, they are stones behind. And the women that are smart enough to get out of there, they're getting the hell out of there. They're not staying there. Why would they? So instead of us doing things like empower women,

and then getting those guys that are, and that's one thing I hated, dude. Every time we went somewhere, they'd be like, hey, we got a guy you can talk to, who is the village other. This guy's 45, 50 years old. In African years, he's like 90. So you're looking at this guy, you're like,

you ain't gonna change, bro. Like the best thing for you is just me to, you know, just put a quick one in you and make it quick for you and let you go on into the heavens. And then get this guy, get this guy that's, you know, 25, 30 years old, he's a little educated, and he's looking to advance the country,

not himself, advance the country. And if we do that, man, you go back to 2002, 2003, when, you know, 03, 04, 05, man, you go back to 2002, 2003, when 03, 04, 05, dude, we had put fear in Afghanistan. We did. They called our trucks the thorn boxes. The thorn boxes. The thorn boxes, because we had shit hanging

all off our trucks, and it looked like a big box. The GMV looked like a box. And they said it was thorns coming off of it. So when we first got to Afghanistan, dude, they wouldn't even, I'd say after about a year or two, they wouldn't even shoot at the thorn boxes and this is how smart how savvy they were If you are a regular army unit coming in Afghanistan and doing a convoy, they've liked your ass up the thorn boxes. No, sir We let us drive right the hell through because they know when you shot at us We're coming right for you. We ain't running to go get back up. We hunkering down. We're coming right towards that gunfire

Then they just talk about our turkeys. Well, I don't't know it's a thorn box. They ain't gonna do nothing. So somewhere that vibe shifts though. But that vibe shifts. Yep. When do you think that was? If I had to guess, I would say nine, 10, like you were saying earlier, nine, 10, when the ROE started getting more, you know, our ROE went from being an ROE to being like, hey, the criminals are gonna have more rights than the soldiers, just like in the States. Criminals got more rights than cops.

Wait, ROE? Rules of engagement. Oh, all right. So our ROE became more, you know, it had to be, at one point, if I remember correctly, like 10, 11, or 12, or 13, you had to give a warning shot. Where it used to be, if you was driving your truck and a car was coming at you driving from you,

you shot that cop up, or shot that car up, because that could be a V-bed. That could be a vehicle IED. You ain't gonna want to shoot a warning shot if he's driving a vehicle. Again, so easy for people sitting in an office in a suit to make a decision on how things should be optically.

But that, for us, say you got a car in front of a car, they're following the car. That's literally two seconds for the car to get up and run into us. Yep. You don't have time to say, let me shoot a warning shot at the road. No, dude, they're probably gonna blow me up, but I'm peppering that windshield and I'm trying to kill everything in there right now. I'm putting lights out, bullets through the head. Hopefully just, you know, it centralizes the nervous system. Foot comes off the gas, car slows down, we keep driving. Right. And so when you're doing this though regularly where you can do things like that because the ROE is good You know you can take more bad guys off the street you can limit the spread

But when you can't do that you enable the spread is exactly what you're I tell you what the best way to put it For people watching the podcast don't know any better look at inner city drugs Same thing it's the same concept cops know we're selling drugs. It ain't no damn secret. Just ask old mama down the street, mama dear down the street. She knows we're selling the drugs. You know the house they sell them out of. But guess what? You can't touch them. You know the 10 people on the street that are selling the drugs. Why?

Because you're trying to build that case. And if you take them off the streets, guess what? The jails fill up. He had more runners that run his drugs. And then when you do finally, we're gonna put him in jail for 20 years, he got a predecessor coming right behind him. You know what I mean? You just gotta eliminate all that. You know what I mean?

You gotta, I hate to say it, it's like you gotta take the gloves off and you just gotta get dirty. You mean like- Well, that's what we did at the beginning. And look at how that place was at the beginning, dude. Like that place was moving towards not really democracy, but we were putting the right people in place. I want to ever get something better.

I remember writing reports, brother, telling them, like, hey, I met this guy the other day. He's got a degree from wherever. He wants to be in politics. Put him in place of position, no matter what it is. Dude, they make a position for him. He would be the house of engineers, or the house of representative for engineers.

He's got an engineering degree. He'd come in and he'd's like, Hey, we can do X, Y, and Z. We can mine here. We can do this. This guy's actually thinking the way ahead for the future. And then after three or four years, man, let's make it a democracy. Let's make them go to court. Dude, they got so bad. We would do HVT hits. We're trying to get fingerprints off of the damn offer to target Let's go to SSC. I'm not saying it's not important. But why are we doing SSC? They're like, hmm, you got my fingerprints in the system, but I've met Muhammad. I said, uh, I'll Southland is not in the system anywhere Yeah, what are you getting this fingerprints for? You mean like that waste of time? Time and money, they didn't have time and money.

Everybody we put or everybody we found on a target, we used to do, I think it was called a shit PCAT system, where they put a finger on it, we scan their finger, try to do their retina and all that stuff. I'm like, dude, what are we doing this for, man? What are we doing this for, bro? Like, the guy ain't got no documentation anywhere. You know what I mean?

Like, what are we doing? But we were doing it, trying to do it. Now you're just wasting time on the battlefield. You're wasting money on the battlefield. You know, it's like, no, dude. You know, like, we can come up with the best system for this. And like, turn it over to him. Like, hey, it's your system.

It's fine if we oversee that. Hey, if we catch a bag on the battlefield, we know he's an ID maker. What do y'allall wanna do with him? And if they say, hey, we wanna kill him? Let it be their call. Let it be their call. If they say, hey, Americans, we'd like to put him in jail,

but how do we do that? Well, we can kinda tell you how we do it. It works for us, but it don't work. Well, how don't it work? Cause you get enough of these in the jail, the jail overcrowds itself, like our jails are now. Overcrowds itself. And then look at how much money each taxpayer,

I remember I looked up years ago, I think it costs. I think it's 50, $60,000 a year for a freaking, a person in jail, like come on, dude. It's crazy. You know what, me personally, get rid of that dude and give that money to some single mom that's trying to get her two, three kids in college. And people say, oh Johnny, that's harsh.

You can call it what you want. She is a legit contribut to society. She's working. She's a single mom or single dad. Let's forget about getting their money, get their kids to college. Like I want to do politics, man, but I'm just not cut for it, dude. I'd be in a cursing deep hot slot meeting.

I'd be like, y'all are idiots. Yeah, off with their heads. Bring me in two new ones. I think the Taliban rubbed off on you. Yeah, I know. It's just because I feel like our country, man, we just do like, it's in two new ones. I think the Taliban rubbed off on me. Yeah, I know. Because I feel like our country, man, we just do,

like, it's just ridiculous, man. I was watching something the other day. I was flying somewhere, and I was watching something. They was talking about Duke. It's a mob. It's a match, Martin. It's basketball. And I was watching, was it Tyler Flaggin?

That place for Duke? Whatever it is. He's a good ball player. Flag? Flag. Cooper Flag. That's what I'm talking about. It's Colin. for Duke? Whatever it is, he's a good ball player. Flag, flag. Cooper Flag, that's what I'm talking about, Cooper Flag, I like him, he's a good ball player. I'm sitting there, I'm looking at the TV, right? I'm like, why the hell does a kid go to Duke

and he's got a four or $500,000 college bill, but that same kid can go to Baymurs Community College, where I'm from, get a business degree, four year business degree, and he pays 20 grand for it. I was like, there's something wrong with that picture. Well, we've also let, that's a whole separate conversation. That's a whole separate conversation, but we've let that. We've let the college system kind of run out of control.

Oh yeah, but that all goes back to like, when we go into these countries, we're trying to throw money at problems. Yes. And it doesn't work, man. Money is obviously the most critical daily resource in the world about the idea that you can just slap it on anything and Enact short-term solutions that are gonna add up to a long-term solution there. It doesn't work. It doesn't it doesn't work You know are there things that can be bought yes, but when you're talking about people's land,

people's meaning, people's purpose that they feel on this earth, if you think you're just gonna buy them off forever, you may buy their cooperation for five minutes, but guess what? Every fucking bill has a timer on it. That's a fact. That's a fact, brother. You live that.

Oh yeah, every day. We lived every day. I remember coming to the country and guys be like, hey, I come to work for the Americans, I got some good information, how much you gonna pay me? I'm like, first off, I don't want your information. If I gotta pay you for it, take it somewhere else. Yeah. And guys be like, what do you mean?

The last guy's paying me, I ain't the last guy's doing. I'm here, and that's what I tell them, I'm here, wait for my damn family, for your fucking country. If you got information, you give it to me. them, I'm here, wait for my damn family, for your fucking country. If you got information, you give it to me. Not, I'm gonna pay you for it. As a matter of fact, why don't I bring you in this little room back here, I like to call it a Red Room,

and you just don't leave here. Tell you, tell me. The Red Room. The Red Room. Heck yeah, what movie was that? That's The Shining, Red Run backwards. No, no, no, the Red Room is, what movie was that? We all read the books too,

my boys didn't get mad for saying this. Where the girl was dating a guy, Anastasia, I think that was his name. And the guy was a big time business guy. It was a book. Oh yeah you do? Nah. It was like, everybody called it soft porn,

but it wasn't soft, oh what was it called? Help me out here. He had The Red Room. Oh, oh, the 50 Shades of Grey. 50 Shades of Grey, there we go. No, I'm working on it here. All right, look here, don't nobody judge me on that. You know what I mean?

All right, 50 Shades of Grey? Dude, that shit went around our team, everybody was reading it, and then we got into the Twilight series, dude. I'm like, yo, a bunch of SM guys reading fucking vampire books and shit. Oh, my God. Oh, yeah, I know, right? Take them back to your red room.

I know, take them back to your red room. I got some for you. Oh, my God. What did you guys your room. She's dead. I don't take my career. I guess we got what did you got like at the beginning though when things were going well and you started to hear the whispers of they want to go to Iraq. What were you guys thinking about that? We were like bring it. We just like bring it. They're like, oh shit, do we want Iraq? Because my team actually got my party. Let's go. Yeah. My company got back and I think we were home 47 days and we was in iraq Wait, wait you were in afghanistan afghanistan got back from afghanistan 47 days and we was like 40 something

I can't remember. I think it's like 42 between 42 and 47 days. Were you in operation raki freedom? Yeah, like the first jump Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What was that like? It was good. Well, we just left afghanistan We just left afghanistan what I liked about it was there was no R E's at the time So it's sort of like Always he's just like hey, let's get it on. Yeah. Yeah, and now this time you I'm seasoned at this time So I was like, oh, yeah, what happened when you got on the ground? Not the same thing, you know, you can pop shots getting shot at you getting hit by you know Not right. So whatever we I can't remember where we've landed but we ended up in Erbil

I think this where we end up was Erbil if I'm not mistaken and uh, I remember going through a couple Saddam palaces, man We hit those things pretty hard, you know running through those people are looting them Of course trying to not our guys but the locals were looting and shit And I was like that's when I said we should have left Saddam in power man. Mm-hmm Yeah, there was a there's a frontline documentary that came out about the Iraq war is probably a decade ago It's on YouTube people can find it, but where they they interview People who were like kids and teenagers When Iraq fell and who knew Iraq before that right and they interview them now or you know over a decade later and

They they all kind of say that it's not to say like oh Saddam was fine he was a good guy no he's a terrible guy but he kept shit in order he did terrible things to people but it's like sometimes it actually does get worse when you create a vacuum and we created a vacuum you know you created an insurgency and things that at least were basic things that people did have when Saddam was in charge. Now they lost that too. We got the same thing going on in America. I equate everything, same thing in America.

Everybody now, because everybody's got a voice. We got every alphabetical letter out there that's got a voice now. The ABCDs and the EPTQs and the QFRGs and the 123s. Everybody's got a voice instead of the country saying, this is what's better for the country. This is what we're going to go with. Not everybody got a voice. Everybody's got a seat at the table. Now we got to appease everybody. Well, don't you think that it, especially since we do have a democratic system and it

has worked here, don't you think that you have to, you know, looking at like the First Amendment with free speech, you got gotta let those ideas into the public square And I'll let them win out and I might also say by the way You literally had like Donald Trump rewin office after all this shit with him Oh, because enough people were like, alright enough without it. Yeah, exactly Yeah, you know what I mean? And that's the sit to me like if you're gonna look at it on that issue That could be like you could look at it on that issue, that could be like you could look at that in a textbook and say, well, that's the system working.

Right. And a lot of that I think is to like I was saying earlier, you're a product of your environment. Yeah, just like people talk about the kids now, like as opposed to when we were growing up. It's like the kids nowadays, they got to hand it to them. I'd like to say on a silver spoon, because they don't have to to work like we did They don't have to do the things we had to do Nobody's fault, but our own it's not the kids fault. It's our fault So at the end of the day until we start, you know, like I know growing up damn near every kid I knew could drive a stick

Nowadays I saw some the other day said if you want to just like me I parked my truck I got a little chevy colorado my little I call it my papa truck It's a five-speed parked at the airport in raleigh through my keys right on the floor. It's a five speed. Doors unlocked keys. No one's stealing that. Nobody's stealing that. If somebody do, if somebody do that in my age, they're just driving home, they'll probably bring it back. But nobody's young and stealing that dude. Nobody. Ain't nobody stealing that. Yeah.

You mean there's a little something like that? I don't even know anyone that drives a stick anymore. Yeah. Every time I go to buy a car and I'm like, hey, there's a stick, because you can usually get it pretty cheap. I mean, you ain't selling that thing. This is what I give it for you. I just bought my daughter a Dodge Dart, a 2015 Dodge Dart. It's a five-speed, six-speed. I think I paid $2,000 for it.

I did. I paid $2,000. I'll see if you can't believe someone bought that. Yeah. The guy was like, it's a stick. I'll take it. But I taught my kids how to drive a stick when when they were two three years old. It was driving tractor so it is it is I

The last time I was in a stick car was Little over a decade ago, I'm bright. I'm John. I'm sorry Colorado to boot John in the moon puts in a stick But that's what I'm saying though, like I feel like We've just kind of let like don't get me wrong I love the Democratic government we got and I do think there should be a voice where it needs to be spoken of. But then I also think there's some things that,

and maybe I'm just old school, but some things like my dad used to say, some things are kept behind closed doors. What I do in my house is my business. What you do in your house is your business. But I feel like a lot of that stuff, we've let that bleed over into politics. Just like taking the church out of school.

Yeah, I think that was wrong. Like, hey. You think that was wrong? I think that was wrong. You mean like, let a kid stand up and say the pleasures of the Legion. Let him say in God we trust. Why wouldn't we?

Our country was built off that. Our country was built off of morals, off of the 10 Commandments, or off of a high power that, let's do the right thing. Let's just do the right thing. I think you have a good point on where morals can be brought into that to help instill values. The only thing I would say is that, and I've always kind of gone back and forth on this, but they did write into the constitution that they wanted a separation in church and state.

So I was like, well, then if you put in government funded public schools, you know, one religion in particular, is that breaking that? I don't know, these are hard questions, but I see what you're saying in the sense that, you know, there could be a disintegration of some values because you maybe go cold turkey and remove, even being able to say like,

oh, in God we trust or something like that. I don't think that's really a problem. You know, like you should be able to do that because you also, even with simple shit like the Pledge of Allegiance, you do establish an understanding of national pride. And it's not just- It's traditional.

It's tradition. Yeah. It's tradition. It's not supposed to be like brainwashing people. Like I think we stand for great things in this country. And if and if we don't then why do you think everybody's trying? To come here, right and the separate about is like the president pleasure lesion. Like you said our national anthem I'll tell people all the time and this would uh, the team red white and blue We're doing a run across America and I told somebody that we were talking about something there and I told people I said look here

There's one symbol in the world, one symbol that I know of, it might be two, it might be three, but the one that I know of, no matter where you at in the world, I don't give a damn where you go in the world, the darkest, you can go in the darkest holes of Timbuktu. If you hold up an American flag, everybody knows what the fuck it is.

I don't care where you go, that's how much weight that symbol carries. So at the end of the day, when people start saying, all right, you know, like Pledge of Allegiance and the National Anthem, I'm like, look, dude, it's not just those things that you're doing. You're talking about the flag right now and what it represents in the world, in the whole world,

not just in America. I mean, everywhere you go, you're talking right now, pick out a Russian flag. Yeah, of course I can do it. But if you have a Russian flag, most people are like that's yeah, that's that's Venezuela. Yeah, they don't know Shit, they wouldn't know. Yeah, but if you hold up that American flag the first thing you get America number one Yeah, no matter where you go America number one. Yeah, that's that's what you get We got to keep that and we got but the sad part about is that

In the long term me personally, I feel like we're losing it because we're supposed to be number one setting the exam for everybody and we can't even keep our own shit straight. You mean we can't even, like the things that our country, like we were saying earlier, things in our country, and me as a veteran for 21 years, that's what hurts me more than anything, dude. Like me, and I'm gonna bring up team red, white, blue,

no, because I'm a marketer now. Like what you fought for, you're saying. Exactly, what we fought for, and it's not what I fought for because I can kill less I go back and fight again I thought it was fun but But what sucks is it's not what I fought for and I might I might tear up It's not what I fought for or what my buddies fought for. It's what our buddies fucking died for it, dude That's what hurts. You mean the fighting part

Then I got shot once been blown up five, that don't bother me at all. I'll deal with it. Got neck injuries, back injuries I'll have for the rest of my life. Got, you know, nerve injuries I'll have for the rest of my life. That I'll deal with. But the fact that my buddies will not see their fucking kids grow up, you know, the Louise Cantrells raising, you know, her kids are gone, her husband's gone, the Mike Duskin, his wife, Maggie, it's shit like right there, dude.

That hurts more than anything. To see a country, you know We are the best of the best and we're acting like a bunch of damn high schoolers doing a bunch of third graders You know, I mean we can't even get shit right. It's like what do we? What do we fix that at because 20 years ago our country don't have as many problems got no Well, that's why you talk about like the kick in the ass that September 11th was because it was here we're forced to see it and there's people you knew I live in this part of the country I knew people died exactly of course you right exactly you know that in a lot sooner terms because like you fought all

the years after that and you've seen your guys died but we don't see that here and it makes you statistic and dude it makes you so angry me. It makes you so angry to know that You know Chris Shaw. He had five kids died in the Philippines. He wasn't even in combat died in the Philippines taking He was taking school supplies to a school in the Philippines ID They said was meant for the Philippine Marines, but it hit their truck But it's shit and he's a green ray green ray man went through the course together, man. But as guys like that right there, you know, people know, people want to know what hell Chris Shaw is. You mean, or my little

brother, Dave Glenn, it lost both legs, his testicle and you know, and his retina messed up his ring finger. He'll never get that part of his body back. He'll never recover from that no matter what he tells you. But then when you see a guy like that, that sacrifices everything he sacrificed, and then you see the things that our country is arguing over, dude, it's like, are you shitting me right now? It's like we're going backwards, dude, instead of like, when we do this run across America,

I'm starting a new saying, so start saying it for me. It's called math, and that's move, math. M-A-F, math. We're moving America forward again. Ooh, I like that. And I told you guys, math, that's exactly, that's funny you said that. My dude, that's exactly what I said, I said math.

And I was like, nah, you can't make, you can't make, you know, move America. You know what they're doing, ma-ha, math. Yeah, I know. But I like math, moving America forward. And the reason why I say that is because, like I was saying earlier with the flag, that flag is the most symbolic emblem,

I think, in the world, the American flag. Everybody knows what it is, everybody. So when we start that flag in San Diego and start moving it across America to Washington, D.C., I went on a podcast the other day and a guy says, hey Johnny, what do you feel about the record? I said, I know I'm about to piss some people off that we're running with, some of my teammates,

I hope I don't, but they know me now. I go, I'm gonna be honest, I don't give a fuck about the record, I don't. I go, what I care about dude, is those teammates that I've lost, and the moms, the dads, the kids, that won't grow up with their fathers, that's what I give a fuck about. I want them to know, when we're running that flight

across America, if it's only 12 of us, we know that your mom and dad didn't die in vain. And that's what it's about to me. The record, it's gonna be great, but I can care less about that. When I got those mom and dads bringing their kids out there, watching us run across America and say, that's what your dad died for, to me, that's the record.

Now they know that my dad might be dead, he might be in Arlington, or he might be buried in a small town, you me, that's the record. Now they know that my dad might be dead, he might be in Arlington, or he might be buried in a small town, you know, graveyard. We know what he fought for, you know, those stars and stripes, that's what it's all about. And that, dude, like, I'm one of the most patriotic people in the world, man. When I start, that's when I wanna do news, man.

I start watching politics, dude, I'm like, what the fuck are we doing, dude? He's like, come on. Yeah, it's gotta be, it's gotta be brain damage. Oh, it's nerve- fuck are we doing? He's like, come on. Yeah, it's gotta be Always isn't if it's nerve-racking dude. It's like what and I'm not even a smart guy But I'm like dude, I can go up on it on the hill you give me about 30 days A lot of them probably fired anyways, you give me 45 days doing this place be turning fuck around They'll be like voting for his third and fourth term right now Because it all be about hard work. Do you You put in hard work, you get rewarded.

Well, here's the other problem. And this is the big 500 pound elephant in the room. There's money funding all this stuff. And exactly that then say these things who are just puppets puppets. And then that's a, they, that's a downstream effect on society. And then society takes it and runs with it. Like, you know, like a herd, oh, he he said this she said that he said this she said that Now we're all our kids funded. Yeah, that's why and then they put me in charge more, you know first idea

No fucking titles. No Democrats. No fucking Republicans. If you don't like that pack your shit and get up You're to label nice American. Mmm, are we gonna vote towards what's best for America. Yeah, if you don't like that you can Take you take your acronyms Hey, we got a ticket for you map out. We got a pilot and a bird for you We'll fly first class get you on up out of here. Yeah, you can go to Air Force Kabul I ain't waiting for you Got a silver. Come on. Send them on there. Yes. Do you ever want to take like just Take somebody on a flight and say let me show you something

Dude, I would love to especially all these guys are all this money all the millionaires do they're like, oh, you know, it ain't that bad I'm like come on, dude. You got the money you pay for the plane to the cars right with you I'll protect you and just take them over. Let them see do like how hard shit themselves. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah And they make sure they bring the significant others so they can see it too. Yeah, like oh my god My daughter would have to do that. Yes She would have to walk this far carrying that much water for a daddy. Y'all ought to go get more water every fucking day No school and she's eating bare minimum rations Every day see that so you can go back and explain to your kids that they got it made

I'm not saying that's that's a bad thing. I think that's great that you know, we're living American dream But on the same token, it's like, when do we straighten ourselves out? I might not say it in my lifetime, which is, it is what it is, but it's just frustrating to know the things that you've lost that you can never get back. Like, I can never get my family back.

Well, I got my family back. I can never get my ex back. I can never get the time I miss with my mom and dad before they pass, because I'm deployed and I'm trying to fight the war. I feel like I'm that important. Then you look at it, you're like, mm-mm, is this what we were fighting for?

What are we doing, dude? What are we? So when I meet people, dude, like, there's a good friend of mine named Steve Kinkar out in Indiana. When I meet people like that, dude, and I meet people like Cody Wooten, he's a cop in Indiana, you know,

and I meet people in my hometown, Paul Gordon and Officer Gaines. I meet these guys Cody Wooten, he's a cop in Indiana. I meet people in my hometown, Paul Gordon and Officer Gaines. I meet these guys that are still doing the jobs that nobody wants anymore. And I don't understand it, dude. I remember growing up, you don't wanna be military, law enforcement or firefighter. Those were the coolest jobs.

Now you ask a kid, you wanna be a cop? You know, stupid cop, why don't be a cop? It's like, come on, dude. Like, what are you doing? What are we doing? Like that used to be you saw somebody uniform you like oh my god, man. That's awesome There's something to be said for that that we kind of that used to be so normal And now it's not a sad man. It's sad because it's just bad stigmatism bad

Whatever you mean bad publicity bad, whatever you want to call it, but there's bad apples in every bunch. Yeah, but we just We put it on social media and I told somebody the other day shut that damn thing They're off about 60 days one you have a little chaos But to make people go back to having dinner and make people start to talk to each other again Yes, dude, if I walk to somebody less than 25 years old They can you know a conversation where you from? I'm like, I know I don't look that intimidating. They don't even know how to talk.

Well, give me your number, I'll text you. Dude, I've literally given my number to kids, especially athletes, when we're working, athletes, they'll be in a cross room and text me. I'm like, hey, come over here right now, Haseed. Crazy. Yeah, text me right there. Yeah, you know, I,

I was basically like in my parents' house for three and a half years when I was building this and it was during the whole buildup of the pandemic. And so my job was to be social, which means I had people come in just like this, we're talking and then everything I dealt with on business, you know, we're dealing on the phone. Everything seems normal. I go out a little here and there, but not much. I was working. And when I moved up here and I was really outside again, going to the bars, going to normal places, seeing people and seeing how much communication among people my age had just plummeted.

It's frightening. Like I, when I work out every day in the gym I do I do a full lift and and then I do cardio I do cardio I throw in headphones. Yep before then I got myself to a point like everyone talks about meditating and shit I ain't got time for that. So the closest thing I do to meditating is I work out without headphones I actually like it which is really shocking if you had told me that like two years ago I said you're fucking crazy. I did it but when I do that, I'm the as far as I can tell I'm the only one in there I'll be the only one that's aren't right I'll be the only one and I just see you know people in between sets on their fucking phone and it's like We're all just these little pods no pun intended It is and we're just on separate little planets and we got all these people in front of us

But we're still so concerned with what happens on this thing there's something so bizarre and that's how people walking in the damn public places with ARs and shooting them up yeah there's a correlation there hold on I think somebody's shooting oh shit really yeah somebody's shooting that's a gunshot yeah you ever see like these situations where shit's going down like something bad and you see it because it's a First thing they do that's the first thing they shit. Oh my god. Yeah, and it's like Put the fucking camera down go beat the shit out of the guy. I Totally agree totally agree. Oh, yeah, I've seen it. I look I'm like holy shit first off

They need to rest that motherfucker. That's filming Cuz he should have been helping Prosecute his ass don't worry about the two that are fighting. Yeah prosecute the fuck it is filming Yeah, yeah where it used to be if a man saw a woman getting attacked or something. That's right. He's in there jumping Yeah, he's in there dude. He's he's in there. He might have on the line agendas, but he's in there Yeah, hey guys, you saved your life, you know, like it he's in there but nowadays They'll walk that's my last take on the fucking phone a your life, you know? Like, he's in there, but nowadays, they'll walk right by you. That's my last take on the fucking phone and video. Like, you know, even when you're walking in the city,

you know, some weird people will walk around and stuff. I'm always scanning. I'm ready, you know what I mean? Like, there's no thought of like, let me video this guy yelling to himself on the street. It's like, yo, that guy's a little close up. Let me get over here for a second. Oh, let's do it.

I didn't rap too tight. That's how I am. Let me see what's going on with this guy. Oh, yeah, I'm with you. Why, everybody else getting shot, dude, dude, I didn't rap too tight. That's how I am like, let me see what's going on with this guy. Oh yeah, I'm with you. While everybody else is getting shot, dude, you'll be the one that's lying. He shot eight motherfuckers, but I was good. That's right.

Got to be diligent. Got to be. And we're not. And that's our country right now. Just not diligent. Well, you talk about the guys you lost along the way and stuff like Foe Green Berets, guys you trained with and shit like that. But you had to tighten a team of 10, 12 guys.

Did you lose some of the guys on your team too? Yeah. Firefights? Yeah. We lost, actually, a support guy of ours. We lost Sean Farrell on our team. What happened? Back in 2014, got hit by, got hit by AK Ron is what we think it was.

It was pretty much AK Ron or either AK Ron or PKM Ron. But he got hit right above right above His side place man right 25 year old Infantry kid man just kid and he was on my truck and I remember I called him powder when he first got on the truck I was damn showing you white dude. I never seen about his fucking white and there he was just white as that cup right there I was like, what are you from? He's out of New York T. I was like good lord, dude I was like, where the hell are you from? He's like, I'm from New York, T.V. I was like, good Lord, dude. I was like, I'm calling you powder. You ever seen the movie Powder?

He's like, no, I don't think I've seen it. We ended up watching while he was there. I was like, you watching that shit tonight? And you know, as a kid that was white as hell, he could bend the spoon. He had the powder. You ever saw it? It's called Powder?

You guys gotta watch that shit. Too many deployments, dude. But we ended up watching. He's a good kid, man. But I remember he ended up getting shot and killed. I remember I pulled him out of the truck. And I was like, Sean, help me, because he's a big boy. He's about 6'1", 6'2". Wasn't real big, but he was just big, like just a natural big guy. And I remember he wasn't helping.

I was like, come on, dude, throw him through, because he got shot through his arm. So he's on the fifth count like this, and the raw went right through his arm, and right above his shoulder plates. And I remember a doc coming in at night, and he was like, hey, Johnny, you hunt? I was like, yeah, I still hunt.

He goes, if you had shot an animal, you couldn't have done it. And I was like, I'm not going to do it I remember a doc coming in at night and he's like, Hey Johnny, you hunt? I was like, I still hunt. He goes, if you'd have shot an animal, you couldn't have been a better shot on him. He said he hit everyone in his vital organs and just ricocheted around his body. So he's basically dead when he hit the truck. And I remember one of the guys overheard him say, I got him, I got one. Or I got him, the guy that was shooting. And so we had t-shirts made up that said, you know, I got him on it.

It was a pretty cool t-shirt. Just to always remember him by it and we wear him. But I remember I went up to New York to see his parents, man. Mom and dad, just great people. He just got married. He'd only been married maybe two years, three years, tops. And I remember I met his dad and I was like, we went to the grave site and I told his dad, I was like, hey, I'll share a story with you.

I'll give you the whole truth of how I went down and you know, I ain't gonna sugarcoat it. I only know one way that's black and white. You know, he's like, all right. I mean, I told him the story. He gave me a hug and because I got a tattoo says not about me on my side. And I'm now went up to Sean. I mean, I told him that my exact words suck it the fuck up dude. It's a through and through because that's all I saw.

And because we was in the kill zone. I remember I was just hitting a truck. I was like, help me move your son because you can's all I saw. And because we was in the kill zone, I remember Ron just hitting the truck, I was like, help me move you Sean, because you're gonna get me fucking shot. And I was just hitting the truck, ting ting. I'm on a drug and run to the side of the truck. The medic was coming up to work on him. And by the time I got around to the truck,

the medic got to work on him, he's like, ooh, he, he ain't looking good. I remember he looked at me when I told him to suck it the fuck up. He looked at me and he smile. I told his dad, you remember that little cheesy smile he had like the Joker? He looked up and He looked at me and he smile. I told his dad, remember that cheesy smile he had like the joker? He looked up and he smiled at me.

And then his eyes rolled. And dude, he was gone then. But of course, I remember looking. I was like, what the fuck, dude? I was like, holy shit. So when we get him around, I snatch his shirt open. Medic's coming up. And I could see one dude.

And I said it was a pinhole. It was not that big at all. It's probably the size of one of these little microphone plugs in. And it went right over his plate, man. And that bullet just ricocheted on the inside of him. Never left his body. I think they pulled it out his foot, his left foot,

if I'm not mistaken. It literally ricocheted around his body. Basically hit his bone in his leg and just dropped down to the bottom of his foot and stopped. Yeah, so I told his dad, I was like, hey, you know, that thing, it bothered me too, man, because I felt like, and I told his dad, I was like, and it was confident, that thing, it bothered me too, man, because I felt like, and I told his dad, I was like, and it was confident for me because his dad told me, and Sean Farrell's dad's seeing this, I need to give him a call.

But I remember he told me, I told him, I was like, sir, if I could have, I would have picked a better choice of words. And I remember he looked at me and he said, what you said at the time is what he needed to hear. And that man told me that, dude, and I swear to God, man, it lifted, it just lifted something off of me that made me, just made me feel a hell of a lot better than what I did, because it bothered me. I was like, all right, not about me, don't be selfish.

Because I was thinking about, man, we're gonna get shot in this, I'm gonna get shot in this fucking kill zone. And that's what I was thinking about, we're gonna get fucking shot if you don't help me. And I remember he just, he didn't have nothing in him, and I was like, fuck. But yeah, dude, when you start,

you lose guys like that and you think about it, it's like, you know, what was it all for, you know what I mean? And I see the kids that are going to school and they're living out their dreams, that's a great thing. Or if you see a kid with cancer, it's like, hey, we fought for that kid, that doctor to find that fucking cure where that kid can live a long life.

You know, because if you want to kill, and I used to say this all the time, and I know one SF guy got killed by it, if you want to kill a SF guy, you set it up around kids or set up around an animal, you'll kill them all day long. Guaranteed it. Guaranteed it, dude. I remember they started putting bombs in dogs, man. Kill us quicker than shit, dude. We see a dog, he's like, hey, come here, let me help this dog. And boom. And then they started training kids, man. I knew a guy that got stabbed and killed.

I think he's a CA guy. He was tasked with third group. They went out to do a KLA just to get out candy and shoot the kids. And they taught this kid it's stabbing the throat on the neck. And he's up there trying to get a kid candy, man. The kid's just stuck in there four times,

get him on the spot, dude. But it's shit like right there where you just like, all right, what are we? And I get it, man. And I tell people like- It's a kid. Yeah, and it's a double-ed all right, what do we, and I get it, man. And I tell people like, yeah, and it's a double-edged sword, but that kid was taught that. And all goes back to what we were saying earlier. If you're taught that, you take a normal kid,

just like I tell people about racism. It's a trained behavior. If I take three kids right now, if I take four kids, two black kids, two white kids, they gonna play all day long. The only difference no kids are, you're gonna find out who the type A male is real quick, you're gonna find out who's dominant real quick,

but the color of your skin are never coming to play. You'll find out who the type A is, you'll find out who the damn, who the adventurous one is. He's the little Johnny that's like me, jumping off the fucking roof. I'm gonna jump off this roof with a trash bag and see if I can float. It'll be that kid, you know,

but the whole race thing are never coming there. It's the taught behavior, just like that kid was you know and that's why when we go to these countries I've had people ask me all the time do you think it's worth and I'm like, yeah, I Go you'll look at and say it's not I'll look at and say hell yes worth it because I saw those five to ten fifteen twenty hundred kids That would see us come into a village and bring those school books and how they would light up Where you know if their life is gonna be be shit for the rest of their life for that one fucking day, that one day they knew they were protected and they knew somebody cared

about them. Period. And that was us, the Americans. It's a heavy thing. It is. And you lived it. So I see where you're coming from there. My question would be at what cost to give that small percentage, that

experience. You know what I mean? Like, and by the way, let me preface that by saying, I do view Afghanistan and Iraq differently. Everyone likes to say, Oh, no war and shit like that. Listen, I'd love a world with no war too. I'm totally with you. But like looking at the situation as it happened, going into Afghanistan, you know, I don't care what we had to say, but we had to. Iraq is a different story. But like, when you look at Iraq, I talked to guys who were there who simultaneously will say, we should never been there. I regret the war. But we'll then also say and I get this they're like, we were with with the shit situation we were in, there was some good we were able to do while we were there.

Because these are good people going there on orders to take care of business, but like they come across children and families and regular human shit and they can do stuff like what you said. So there's something to be said for like, passing off some good things, it's just a full machine of like, oh, there's a war here and there's a foreign country, it's not us.

And look, now we have so much violence, it does also foment a generational hatred too, no? Oh yeah, it will. I know it will, because I feel like if Afghanistan, I'll back up, because you had two questions there. I feel like Afghanistan, we had to because we just got punched in the mouth. And we're the big bad, we're fucking America, dude. And I feel like if anybody had to because we just got punched in the mouth. And we're the big bad, we're fucking America dude.

And I feel like if anybody punches us in the mouth, we're going to punch you back. And we should hit you twice as hard. And we did. And we did. And we kept hitting them. And Iraq, totally different war. We thought we, we said there was weapons of mass destruction there. That's controversial.

And the reason why I said that's controversial because my ODA it's on BBC somewhere. I'll have to find it for you guys. My ODA actually did a full blown DA hit in mop level floor gear. We trained for it and we hit this compound. I will never forget. We hit this compound and we hit that compound. I'm not saying they had weapons of mass destruction there cause we didn't find that but we found warheads that were empty There's empty warheads and inside that building. I want to forget it went down dude. There's bird cages. There's fucking rat cage There was shit everywhere in there. I'm not saying they had weapons of mass destruction, but it was testing something

There's fucking you say that there's vows everywhere, you know, and I might go to jail for saying this I don't fucking know you won't but I'm just being I'm just I don't care, you can air it, what are you gonna lock me up? Fuck it dude, I probably live better in jail than I do now. Fuck. But you know what I mean? But at the end of the day dude, there was shit there and I remember coming out and I remember my team,

sorry, he got so fucking mad at me. I walked out dude and I snatched that fucking mask off. I was fucking hurting dude, I was dehydrated, we'd been in that bitch for three or four hours, sweating like a fucking pig. And he goes, what the fuck, I remember he was talking, what the fuck are you doing? I remember pointing it like that right there. I hours, sweating like a fucking pig. And he goes, what the fuck, I mean, he's talking, what the fuck are you doing?

I'm in my point like that right there. I go, I'm a motherfucking humans right there. If they can breathe the air, I can breathe the air. And there's Iraqis that walked over there. You mean, so whether it was weapons of mass destruction, I don't fucking know. But I know for a fact, Johnny Glenn, Johnny motherfucking Glenn, from Bramish, South Georgia,

saw with his own two eyes, dude, it was a three story building. Middle story was a laboratory. You can kiss my ass. I ain't a smart guy, but I know laboratories look like. I believe you. We went to the back of the room and went down to do it. We went down the bottom back of that room. It was probably a hundred yards long. No, not quite a hundred yards, probably about 50 yards long, but half a football field. And all down on that bottom thing, there were cells on one side of the wall, dude. There was fucking bird cages everywhere. There was fucking dead birds, dead rats and rat cages everywhere in that motherfucker. They were testing something. And so when people like, Oh, there wasn't,

I'm like, look here, dude, I, I'm just telling you what I saw. I don't know, you know, what it was. I look it up on BBC because my buddy Troy on BBC, UCF leaving the compound, the guy's filming and Troy took the sign and it's got like a it's like I got like a you know the natural like a disease not disease or the natural chemical sign or whatever's got a red arrow through it it was one of those up there yeah and Troy took the sign I bet you still got that fucking sign right now in his garage he took the sign sure did so the reason I'm not surprised at all by what you're saying is because my friend Danny Hall was on the show for episodes 216 and 217 he was here for like six and a half hours

Green beret silver star winner and he was in for like over three decades and savage. I know Daniel I don't know in person, but I know the name so you you know He said at the beginning of episode 217. I was like five six minutes in he said at the beginning of episode two 17, I was like five, six minutes in. He said that he found him himself as well. Now what we get caught up in is that when they sold us the WMD thing with Iraq, it was nukes right now. Those weren't there and they didn't have that. But what Danny was saying is that in a slight defense, similarly to what you're saying, there were biological weapons.

There were there were biological. And now backing that up. It was there. I'm telling you, dude, I'll find it. On BBC, I'll find it. I'll find it for you. I'll look it up at night. Yeah. I'll find it. It's on there. Yeah, you're not going to get your way. And the guy did this whole, I don't give a fuck what they're going to do to me, dude. The guy did this whole coverage on it, dude. You know, like, what are they going to do to me, dude? Like, because you want to hear some nation's secrets, you think that's bad.

I'd be like, hold up, motherfucker. You better put me under jail. Put me in front of a microphone again, and I will bring all you motherfuckers down. Johnny Glenn going down, and I'm like, I'm going to go to jail. I'm like, I'm going to go to jail. I'm going to go to jail. I'm going to go to jail. I'm going to go to jail.

I'm going to go to jail. I'm going to go to jail. I'm going to go to jail. I'm going think that's bad. I'd be like, hold up, motherfucker. You better put me under jail. Put me in front of a microphone again, and I will bring all you motherfuckers down. Johnny Glenn going down, put us on that flight to motherfucking Bagram. We might as well go back to Afghanistan and take a look. You know where the bodies are buried. I know where the bodies are buried.

Hell yeah, I had to shovel. Shit, so I had to shovel. Well, I thought, you know, I dug a couple of holes. But seriously, though, man, like, they were there, man. They were there. And where we fucked up and you said that wrong, or you said that right with the media, we say things and they believe it.

Word, my ex used to always say, words have meaning. She used to say it all the time, words have meaning. Just like I used to always tell my kids, for every action, there's a reaction. For every action, there's a fucking reaction. I just tell my kids that. You clean your room, reaction is, daddy rewards you. You don't clean your room, reaction is,

leather comes out, you get your ass tore up. That's pretty simple. That is pretty fucking simple, dude. That's the way my dad raised me, that's the way I'm raising you. My kids turned out pretty good. And so, you know, where they messed up at, just like you said earlier,

they said we were looking for nuclear weapons. What they should have said, nuclear weapons slash weapons of mass destruction, period. That's what they should have said. And then you're covering everybody's ass. Hey, we didn't find nukes, but we found WMD. Or if we didn't find WMD, we found nukes. But either way, we found shit that shouldn't have been there. And that means that they're breaking all laws

of the weapons of mass destruction laws, saying the nuclear weapons and all that bullshit. So they broke all the laws saying, we didn't have them and you did. So at the end of the day, people can say, oh, we shouldn't have been there. I'm like, hey, I ain't saying we prevented anything, but we damn sure was a deterrent for it.

Because the way they left that place, dude, they didn't clean nothing up. And if anything else, you would have burnt that place. You mean you would have burned it like if we got a fucking. Yeah, a lot. Oh, they had to a lot of quick, dude. We got there. Maybe I would say two, maybe three days too late, man. No, sure did. Could have changed a lot. Could have changed a whole lot. Oh yeah. Mm-hmm.

How many deployments? It was two to Iraq? Two to Iraq. So the first one, Iraqi Freedom, how long are you there for? The invasion. We were there for about four months. We literally hit Iraq dude and just went to travel. I can't remember where we started at though, but I know we ended up in Erbil.

And you're encountering firefights and stuff along the way? Along the way, dude. And then we got to Erbil. I mean, we went into the airfield there and the Marine's Corps were there because they almost shot us. Hands up to the Marine Corps. But they didn't know we were coming in either because we didn't have no, we were just kind of moving, dude, doing our own thing.

And then I went back in 07, I think it was, 0 oh, seven, oh, six, I was there for six months. Oh, so you went back a few years later. Yeah, back to Iraq. And you had deployments in between there in Afghanistan? Yep, mm-hmm. All right, let's skip those for a second. When you go back to Iraq, whole new world, right? Oh, yeah, definitely.

What was it like? IDs, IDs are in effect, then, you know what I mean? I remember we were cleaning, I stayed on Raqqa Hershey a lot then, because I went back in, oh, seven, remember that's how I got out for a year? I remember we were cleaning. I stayed on Rott Hersh a lot, Dan. Because I went back in 07. Remember how I got out for a year? I went back for a year and I was doing contract. We were making a shit ton of money. But my third group guys, yeah, I made a shit ton of money.

I got out for 366 days. But my third group guys were actually right on the base where I was, which was strategically planned. I'm not stupid. Because Johnny Motherfucking Glenn knows that some shit go down. These motherfuckers, whether I'm eating or not These motherfuckers are coming. Oh, yeah, they're coming dude. And when I first got down ground, I wouldn't got shit from them

I gave him some claymores. Let me get this. Let me get that so you're contracting when you're there Yeah, no, what kinds of things were we were you tasked with doing? I was doing a personal security details for the core engineers. So we basically just leading them down Rott Hershey back and forth to their little place there. Oh shit. IED alley. Getting shot up and blown up every fucking day, dude. Wow.

Yeah. Yeah. It's crazy how much that flipped. Remember, remember, ladies and gentlemen, we got him. We got him. He was like, eesh. Yeah. That mean person, this is another thing I would have done.

Once we caught Saddam Hussein, nobody would've fucking knew about it for the people that caught him. Remember when people were like, oh my God, I shot Oslo in Milan. You got it. Your ass would've got shot in the face that same night. You would've died.

But when we caught Saddam Hussein, I would've kept that on the wraps as long as I could have. Why? I just would have, because we're Americans. Just like right now, if I were in retirement and I just start killing people and I became the mass murderer of Boston, if you caught me tomorrow, if you caught a copycat killer, say he became my copycat killer and I ain't killing no more, you caught him, the first thing people are gonna do is start going out at night again.

They're gonna be, oh my God, we're free, we caught the copycat killers all over. So in our eyes, war don't end like that. Just like when we caught us on Bin Laden, same thing. I remember my family members ask me, well, we caught us on Bin Laden. Do you have to go back over there? I'm like, hell yeah. Shit, fuck yeah.

I bought property over there. Hell yeah, I had to go to my wife's house. But people think that once, because that's the American mindset, because they think that that one man, he ran that war, but he didn't. It's not that simple. It's not that simple.

Just like when we killed our, or when we captured, shit, Saddam Hussein. That's where everything fell to shit. Because he was that one point of failure, which he had all the fucking power to call shots. So once you killed him, all you did was you killed one dictator and you bred 100 more. Because all those guys that would, I mean, I mean, that he could say, no, John DeGlin,

you're not doing that. Raj Asher, you're not doing that. No, Julian, you're not doing that. Raj Asher, I'm not doing that. No, there's nobody. No, guess what? Me and you were type eight. That's like I tell people all the time.

I know we talked earlier and I want to get into religion, but I was raised in Southern Baton in South Georgia. Me and my mom got into the biggest argument I ever got into with her about 2008. Because by this time, dude, I've saw a lot of shit and I've done a lot of shit I wasn't proud of. Not even sure I wasn't proud of. I did it because I had to do it. And I told my mom, if there is a God, why would he make me have to do some of these

things I've had to do? And why would he take some of my guys that are trying to do the right thing to free the oppressed? And basically I was in that dark space where- What did she say to them? She was like, well God, you can't answer for God, baby. And you know, he wants you to live right through him and what the Bible says.

And I was like, yeah, mom. And my biggest thing was, I had a good friend that was an atheist. And one time we had a firefight. I was like, hey motherfucker, you better be playing to somebody. He's like, nah, John, ain't no God, brother. That God's in your hand. And we're making these jokes in a firefight just getting it.

And I got done. And then I started listening to him like, why are you atheists, this, that, and that? He goes, no, John, I was raised. Southern Baptist is just like you. He's from like Mississippi. Well, it ended up happening. He goes, I started studying the Bible inside and out.

He said, there's a preach out there. There's nobody to know about the Bible than I did. Because if I was going to second guess it, I had to know it. And he goes, in my eyes, it was written by man to control man. And then I started just listening to him and I started reading the Bible more because I grew up reading the Bible. Is that what you think today? A little bit of both.

I think there's a high power because I'm here and some of the shit I've survived, dude, like last idea I hit, I should be dead, period. No offense about it. And the one before that, I probably should have been dead, but I'm not, I'm still here, no scratch. Just nerve damage, cracks in the frontal lobe, but I'm still fine. And then some of the things I've survived

and some of the things I've seen, there's got to be something, or maybe it's our, the people that died before us that love us looking over us, but I don't know, it's hard to say, man. Because you think about it, what way you don't want to die. If I ask anybody, I never read the Bible, they say I don't want to burn. So what do you put in the Bible?

If you do wrong, you'll burn in hell. Right. You mean? And then like I told my mom, there's certain things in there that say, you know, a shepherd must protect his flock, which means you can go to war, you can go to combat, you can kill.

But then one of the commandments say, thou shalt not kill. So, so now you're, you're contradicting yourself. And then you got the King James version. You got this version, that version. Yeah. Which creates a whole bunch of translate. Oh dude. And you start, and then if you get 10 preachers and put them in a room or whoever, and you ask one, one simple translation, one simple verse, there's 10 different verses Yeah, I attended translation seeing that and then when I watched the movie with Denzel another movie shit

Where he's walking on he's he's blind you guys seen it no no Yeah, that's right Yeah, you got to leave. We had that shit. I liked it when I first met him. We were doing so well. We were doing so good. We hadn't done no racist shit.

And I wouldn't be a racer. This guy goes, Ray Charles. No, well, he plays a blind guy. He's a, hey. God damn it. There goes your podcast. He was, yeah. He was the backup hire. I'm sorry. Oh, dude, that's so hilarious. That is funny. It's only Asian people that all look the same. That is so hilarious.

He's that thing you saw. I know, I know. You say that. So we know you're not racist. It's the Book of Eli. Have you seen that? Oh, actually, yeah, but it's been years. You got to watch that again.

I want you to watch that again. And remember the guy in there that got the shit in his leg, the gang green in his leg? It's the book of Eli. It's the book of Eli. It's the book of Eli. It's the book of Eli. It's the book of Eli. It's the book of Eli. It's the book of Eli. It's the book of years. You gotta watch that again. I want you to watch that again.

And remember the guy in there that got the shit in his leg, the gangrene in his leg? And the blonde lady said, you got gangrene, you'll be dead soon. She could read Braille. And the Bible's written in Braille. Because remember, Denzel was blind in that movie. Nobody caught that. I picked up on it watching it. And I was like, dude, there's something going on with him.

Because everything he did was by sound, for the most part. But anyways, at the end of that movie, towards the end of the movie, one of the guys said, why are we wasting all this manpower for one book? And the guy slapped me. He said, it's not just a book. It's a weapon, you idiot. With that book, I control everybody. And it's a fact, dude. If you look at all our wars,

it wouldn't start over with money, it wouldn't start over... It's fucking religion, dude. You can look at it right now. You can look at it right now, dude. Everything we're doing, and that's a fact if you look at all our wars wouldn't start over money wouldn't start over It's religion. It's fucking religion. Look at it right now. You can look at it right now Do everything we're doing and that's why people say all the book says the world's gonna come to an end Yeah, cuz everybody's bleeding all these different fucking beliefs Yeah, you know and and it's what we talked about this topic a lot in a lot of different All right in a lot of different contexts on this podcast. I think the vast majority of people I know who follow a religion, one of the major religions, use it for good and they have peace in their life. And I think that's an awesome thing. And I think that those people get such a disservice done to them by a select few who use it for power and use it for money. Yeah, 100%. Exactly.

And why the hell am I being God 10% tithes when he got everything? That's right. I don't understand it. Yeah. So I give him like 1%. I look out for I buy his wine here. He's like, fuck it, Johnny Glenn bought my wine. He's good. But you do believe that something created all this. You just think it's different than what man I think, I think man has written his own version. And you and I are pretty similar. And I'll tell you why brother you think about it mean you're similar, right? Yeah, you think about if we wouldn't raise away just the way you said that you think about if you and I wasn't raised away We raised

Nobody could tell me shit, dude You think about the Wawa West when the Wawa was the Wawa West before man got into the bottle You know what happened? I walk in a bar I see you got a pocket full of money gun to the head boom get your money I have no remorse. No sympathy. No nothing. No empty. No nothing. So I think man is smart enough. Say, hey, dude We got to come up with a plan to control these Johnny motherfucking glins these motherfuckers get out of control Because he didn't cuz listen enough. He just shot my brother Wyatt the other day took his money He slept with his wife the other day, and he stole all their cattle. So guess what?

Your first commandment, thou shalt not kill. You ain't gonna kill Watt. And then, thou shalt not commit adultery. You're not gonna sleep with his wife, and you're not gonna steal his fucking cows. You mean, so they went down and wrote all this shit that they know Johnny Motherfuckin' Clem would've been doing this motherfucker,

looting, pillaging, and stealing shit. Get rid of this. So now, you write it up where you think about it. It's a high power. And I'm not telling anybody I believe, or I'm not trying to, you know, persuade anybody. I'm just telling you what I've seen and what I've thought. And I've talked to my preacher back home, Reverend Sanders.

I've had a conversation about this a few times. I went home for funerals. And then, you know, it's like so many things I've seen happen in my life, even like my parents. I lost my mom in December of 2017. I lost my dad four months later in 2018. Great people, dude. Some of the best people you ever meet in your life.

They fed every dude I had more fucking family and friends in my house I know of. They fed everybody. They were pillars in the neighborhood, always positive. My dad never met a stranger. Paid for people like Bill's, dude. When we had his funeral, I told my sister let's do it in Coliseum. That's how many. Paid for people light bills, dude. When we had his funeral,

I told my sister let's do it in a Coliseum. That's how many people were there. It was ridiculous, dude. So I'm like, but he dies at six, seven years old? I'm like, dude, this guy's so, and people are like, oh, well God need an angel. Well, fuck dude, get one of these other motherfuckers and let him stay on earth and do some shit here.

You know what I mean? Like, I don't mean like that, motherfucker. See, you know what I mean, dude. Take one of these other angels that you got. You know what I'm saying? I didn't see that coming.. See, you know what I mean, dude. Take one of these other angels that you got. You know what I'm saying? I didn't see that coming. Yeah. But you know what I mean?

Like, take one of these other angels and, just like that, I'll say the kid Sean Farrell. Like Sean Farrell, for instance. Why not take me, dude? I got all these deployments. My kids are old enough to know better. He's a newly married guy. And I do one even harsh, man.

What about all these little kids we got three, four years old, don't even know what life is, and you're want even harsh man. What about all these little kids? We got three four years old Don't even know what life is and you're fucking giving them cancer. Yeah, that's a cruel motherfucker dude, like me and we'll have some conversations. I Told my mom and I died dude, cuz my mom slapped shit I mean my first time my mama hit me dude She slapped the fuck out of me that army got you crazy. You need to get you get out of that thing right now It's a moment on work like that. Yeah, you are who do I need to call? I don't know who you think you can call but I can't get out of her like that. She was pissed

But that's what I told I was like God's cruel. He's a cruel fuck Like if you can take the child you seen from what I've seen But if you can take a child even a child now born with cancer don't know what life is dude But you give them cancer at a date. They're born Like what the fuck do you like? Yeah, yeah, it's something I struggle with too. But you let these religious, well, you let, not religious, but you let these fucking drug addicts, you let these people that are detrimental to society, you know, they're killing people, they're doing all the wrong things. Those motherfuckers literally be 90 years old, man.

And guess who are taking care of me and you because they put them in a fucking home. And what if it, and this is why I go back and forth with it on that. What if what if our life what's long to us, you know, 100 year life or something like that is actually and this is actually most likely true. This part at least is actually just the smallest little blip on the radar. That's just this one moment of consciousness such that, you know, someone lives 100 years versus 50. It's in the grand scheme of things, it's like nothing, because it's some sort of mental test for all of us. And there's examples that are made for people

who will be rewarded in some sort of afterlife or a dimension even beyond this. You ever think about that? I do, but I think if I was God, that's not fair to the people though. You mean, and they say God is a fair, just God, then how can you be fair and just? If you're gonna be fair and just,

I'd rather you be, just like I just told Team Sorry, I'd rather you be a hard ass Team Sorry, that's gonna be hard on every swinging dick on this team, than to give favoritism and say, well, I like Johnny because Johnny's a better shooter. And I like Julien because he's a better runner. But I don't like Alexi over there because he can't speak his language. That's a better shooter. And I like Julien because he's a better runner. But I don't like Alexi over there because he can't speak his language.

That's bullshit, dude. You gotta have God, in my opinion, he's gotta have a standard. Whatever that standard is. Now if somebody's name is called or their number's picked, then their number's picked. But if they're on earth, they do a certain job and let them do that job, but you can't,

I don't think he should be allowed, he's God, he'll do what the fuck you want to do, but I don't think he should be allowed to say, hey, Johnny Glenn, I'm gonna let you walk and live but I'm gonna take Sean Farrell's life. But you also still think that You think I'm just taking your words here so correct me if I'm wrong You think that God exists because there are some things that don't make sense as to why you're still here So obviously like he spared you I think there's a high power That's my new thing now, like I you. I think there's a high power. That's my new thing. Now, like I tell people, I think there's a high power. I don't know if it's God. I don't know if it's Jesus Christ. And I know my aunt and if they see this, they're gonna, I'm gonna get blessed out and get slapped around and pulled out of here.

And I'm prepared for it. But I think we'll talk about that. And you should just like me. I think there's a high power. Just like when I talk to my preachers and I ask them questions, don't revert back to the Bible. Tell me truths. Don't tell me something I feel like man's written. Show me truths. Give me evidence of truth. Don't tell me just like when my preacher said, when I asked my preacher about it one day,

and this is one of our chaplain, we were talking about it one day because the chaplain comes to see us all the time. I pull him aside, hey chaplain, what do you think about this? You know this happening. We had to do these well Johnny You know, it's combat time. Uh It's during combat and then one day I say God I got I got chaplain. I got a question We're fighting over fucking religion. No if ins about to buy that's exactly what we're fighting for He in Afghanistan in Iraq every war we ever fought Vietnam you go to every war fought It was over religion

And I asked myself god sent his 12 disciples to 12 corners of the world and he is god And he said if whatever I tell you go do you go do why would they change that? Why would they go to their own agendas? He handpicked those guys. Yeah And and he was like said so I said i'll tell you i'm gonna break it down for you one more step You watch as good as you get, right? He says, yeah, I did. You know, I'm talking to me with Charlie Sheen and Jack Nichols. I know the movie. I never saw it. Okay. What I move another good one to watch in that movie. Colonel Jessup said the Marine, that Marine was not supposed to be touched. He was not supposed to be touched.

Oh, wait, wait, wait, a few good men. A few good men, yeah. Oh yeah, that's with Tom Cruise. Tom Cruise, what'd I say? You said Charlie Sheen. Yeah, yeah, whatever. They all white people look alike. You're goddamn right I gave that order!

I'm going back to my... The things that you don't like to talk about late at night when you're at dinner with your fucking family. I like when he puts me back in, he goes, I don't know, it kind of, it's kind of out of you, I'm going back to my island. I was like, hell yeah.

He's like, you will sit down. He's like, what the fuck? Then he's like, then in reality, he's like, I done fucked up. I've done that, I'm like, ooh, I done fucked up. Fuck. Whoops. Yeah, but in that movie, when he said,

if you gave the order, then why issue the transfer? Yeah. You said that he was not supposed to be touched. Then the same went with God. If you sent your 12 disciples that you handpicked to do what you want to do, why in the fuck would they go out and voice their own word or their own opinion?

And that's just a valid question. And that's why I try to tell my mom, like, hey mom, I'm not saying that God don't exist. I'm not saying there's not a high power. There's something up there because I'm alive. So I think there is a high power. So at the end of the day, because I don't judge you live or dies.

So at the end of the day, you know, what is that high power and what does it mean? Because I think the Bible and for me, it's just me questioning the Bible because I know there's a high power. There's something I don't know what it is. Might be throwing his hammer, but it's something or a low key in his sword.

I don't know, but it's something be throwing his hammer, but it's something. Or a Loki and his sword, I don't know. But it's something up there that makes this universe kinda do its thing or whatever. And then I guess when your time's up, does that just mean your heart just stopped beating or what, what the fuck? Well that's the thing, it's like people, sometimes people wanna force you to adhere to these things

because that's what gives them peace. And that's fine if that gives you peace, but like. Don't force it on me. You shouldn't force it on people because to me, at the end of the day, you know what's good and what's bad. Right there, and that's what I told someone the other day. I go, look here. I told the young lady that wrote the letter to you,

I told her the other day, I said, I'm gonna tell you like, sorry, if I die tomorrow, there's no doubt in my mind, if there's a heaven, I'm in it. And I go, and I've done more wrong, brother, look here, the wrong I've done, we'll talk offline, the wrong I've done. Hey, check this out, the wrong I've done, I probably got a seat in hell, but I'll go to heaven.

They keep a cell open for me down there. I definitely got a seat down there, like, hey Johnny, you coming down this week? Next week, I'll be there in the wintertime, bro, I'm tropical. So I definitely got a seat there, you know what I mean? Next week, I'll be there in the wintertime, bro. I'm tropical. So I definitely got a seat there, you know what I mean? Oh my God. But I told her I'd definitely go to heaven

because like you said, it's good intentions. Like I have good intentions. You mean like even though some of the shit we've done, like God, this is wrong, but we gotta do it. You think you've left shit better than you found it. Fuck yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah, big time. Yeah, I agree. No, your fans are supposed to buy it, dude.

I know. I agree. Just like I had a guy tell me that time when I jumped on that dude that was oh yeah, oh yeah, big time. Yeah, I agree. No, your fans are supposed to buy it, dude. I know. Just like I had a guy tell me that time when I jumped on that dude that was ripping, or the kid, dude. I beat him pretty bad and the guy was like, you know those, that's an R.O.E. violation. Dude, if my team guys wanna grab me, I oughta beat the fuck out of him too.

I go, if you can say to him, set that dude, you're a piece of shit. Cause if that's an R.O.E. violation, then report it motherfucker and I'll go to jail. Yeah. To me, it's like, you do what you do with the information you have the best you can and you look in the mirror And you live with it. Yeah, you live in the mirror, you know, I live with that You know what's bad and it's just like that. How much can you balance them different? Yeah, exactly be up here

No far as you can we're all imperfect. But like that's how you know, I'm humble enough to know that I don't know Yeah, but I I do agree with you I absolutely believe in a higher power and like If I live my life in ways that are not good and not leaving things better than I found it overall Then you're all I'm gonna have to answer you got to answer that. Yep. I agree. I don't want to have to answer No, I agree, you know, just like I try to treat everybody dude My parents raised me my parents raised me My dad raised me you judge a man off his mirror period off his merit off his merit Whatever me if you and my dad you say shit, dude, I repeat shit. No my dad

You sound like he's just smartest man ever met, you know up until about 10 years ago I thought he's dumb as shit, but he's smart That motherfucker's wicked smart dude. He was wicked smart now that I know now What are you saying? Well, my dad used to always tell me, a man that had been in his back could never go hungry. What the fuck does that even mean? And as a kid, dude, you don't know what the fuck that mean. Going in, we'd be digging fence posts.

I grew up on a farm. Bend your back. I was like, that ain't got nothing. That ain't my back hurt. You ain't got a back, you got a gristle. And as a kid, you don't know anybody. Yeah, my fuck, I got a back, not that I know. I got a spine and a vertebrae.

And what he was telling me was, a man that had been his back is a man that'll work. And a man that'll work will never go hungry. Because if you'll work, you'll make money, you can feed your family. And at the times, dude, like I didn't, I didn't fucking know what the fuck he meant. Just like he'd always say,

there's nothing more greater than a man that can feed his family. He said, when you start putting food on your family table, watch how that makes you feel as a man. And I used to always get mad, because my mom and dad, every weekend, we were feeding somebody. Feeding somebody, dude, like, what the fuck?

I just get these people away from my house. I hate these fucking people. But then at the end of the day, I see now what he meant, because I tell people I'm almost cursed, because I do the same shit, dude. Like, I feed people, I try to be there for people, I try to help people, and I tell my auntie all the time, it's a fucking curse, dude, because that's instilled in me. I can't get rid of it. Like if I see something dude

I just had a homeless guy the other day. I told that motherfucker. I will not give you money to buy drugs But any restaurant you pick let's go eat and we can share a story I go feed them. I go feed them dude all the time feed them all the time dude, and that was my mom I did a lot dude. I did if I somebody homeless, dude, I go buy them food Cuz my days always say and my mom would say If you can watch somebody eat if you don't do nothing else that person, you know, they got a full stomach for that day They did man they did they did and now my kids do like my kids come to my house now

If they were to mom or my daughter come or my daughters come my two daughters and my son come miles First thing I do is start cooking dude They can be like that. We just want to eat. I'm gonna cook y'all something They're dead. We just say well take it with you because I know you got food and And I told my daughter one day I was like you have no good You have no idea how good you got it And I went to a school to speak at the school one time and it was me and I think I took the war in my Youngest because she's like my mini me. She's just like me and I went to a school to speak at the school one time, and it was me and, I think I took Lauren, my youngest,

because she's like my mini-me, she's just like me. But I took Lauren, and I was asking the kids what their favorite subject was, and this one kid raises his hand whenever he get, and I can read people, and I go, what's your favorite subject? And everybody's like math, English. He said, I like lunch, and one of the kids was like,

yeah, of course you do, because the kid was a little heavyset. I looked at Lauren, I said, you know that kid ain't eating at home. She goes, why you say that? I said, because the only meal he's getting is that this fucking school during school Cuz I'm asking who all love school. He loves school, but he had the worst grades in the class Mm-hmm, but I told Lauren school to him was an outlet and he's he grew up in he's in the ghetto in the inner city Yeah, I told Lauren that kids part reason himself and I pulled a kid aside like hey, do you need anything?

Let me know and I stayed in contact with him until he was about 14, 15 years old, like a mentor to him, good kid. Wow, that's really cool. And then they moved away, and I lost contact with him. But yeah, but that kid. Oh, while he's here, you're making your impact. Oh yeah, but I knew that kid, dude.

I knew he wasn't eating at school, just the way he's like, oh, I like lunch, and everybody. Then he's like, oh, this is a joke, he's making a joke. And I'm looking at him like, no, he's not. In my head, I'm like, no, he's not. Like his favorite fucking subject was lunch. Cause he knew when he got to school, he got breakfast and he got lunch.

That was a fucking two meals for him. All he had to do is make it through the rest of the day and he got breakfast again. And that's going on every day. And I told my girls that happens every day in our world. Yeah, it's amazing how, like even within this country where we have it the best, right? There's 350 million people here, you know? in our world. Yeah, it's amazing how, like even within this country where we have it the best. It's sad, dude.

There's 350 million people here, you know? And we got places to have it better than others. And it's like, even when you grow up and you're like, oh, you know, we're not wealthy or whatever. My parents both, maybe my dad works two jobs or something like that. But like, you got food on the table every night.

Roof over your head. Roof over your head, great family, a good community. Man, like that's wealth right there. Bro, my little, they're doing a special on this run we're doing and they picked me as one of the runners so I'm bringing them back to my hometown. It's really cool you're doing this by the way. 3,200 miles, you're trying to do it in how many days?

15 to 17 days. So you're trying to do like 60 some miles a day. Six, four miles a day per team. Fucking Forrest Gump over here. It's gonna be good. You gotta watch it. It's going on it's getting being pretty big but they don't especially at my and they wanted to do a special me there's like I will come to no Carolina I was a nod if you do it on me I want you to go to Bay

which because that's where I'm from go to work Bay Bridge it's called a miss George's right next to us for and I told the I called told Carrie from I told carrying his carrying his Dre, I always get them mixed up because his name should be Dre, her name should be Kerry, but Kerry and Dre, I told him that, hey, if we do it, let's do it where I'm from because I want kids to know there that I came from nothing. And look where I ended up.

I'm not better than anybody, but look where I ended up. So don't let where you're from determine where you go. Because it's a small town It's a farm town and it's you the farm factor drugs. That was it. Those are the three You talk a lot about environment. You've talked about that a lot. Oh, but you know the other factor is also I I Look at like what you're born with too and like you're clearly born like you're an alpha obviously But like you're born with it. I'm a go fucking get this done. I'm nobody doing it for me And yes

Do I think a big piece that has to come from your environment and great parents and shit like that for sure Yeah, but like that you ever wonder if there's like some people who their internal biology, you know They need a way bigger push. they're not naturally wired like that. That'd be I'm gonna say necessarily introverts, but that would be more like introverts. Like I'm just gonna state to myself, I'm not gonna do anything. And they just don't have that push. So they end up I think people like that that you're talking about, especially they grew up in an environment where there's a lot of drugs and shit.

They're easily influenced to come over to that side. Yes, because now guess what guy you got no money Let me put a little money in your pocket. Let me recruit you. Let me do this Let me do that name for you know it you're selling drugs cuz now you're the man cuz you got money in your pocket But also when you get that's the thing though The other side of that is when some of these kids get recruited Like nine years old to be the kid running from one block to another I Was an idiot when I was 21, you know, it's 24 and in nine years old You know, you don't even know what the fucking skies. Yeah, you know what you're doing, you know, like I I don't know

I don't know any internal biology that can stop something like that If your environment is completely dictating something as extreme as that, right? Just like those kid the kid who went up and stunned and stabbed your friend Yeah, and it's right. That's a no idea. What's he like seven years old? Hmm know what's going on has a clue and they might told him like yeah, but they probably told him no me neither But I would defend a kid because he's a kid they probably told him like hey you gonna be dead I don't know we're gonna do this for your family's that how cool you don't have my family It's just like a video game. Just do this. He don't fucking know you better. No clue. Not a clue brainwashed. Yeah, it's all about that top behavior

But once you get a certain age, I do believe like you said earlier, you know right from wrong But then at that point it's almost like are you too far gone? To bring you back. Yeah, cuz at that point you think about it If a kid grows up in the inner city or where I grew up, doesn't matter. If you did drugs your whole life, you sold drugs your whole life, you get 14, 15, 16, you know right from wrong now.

And guess what? You thought you could stop selling drugs, but you're the man of the house. Say you go to Lowe's and try to get a job and they tell you you're not old enough. What do you do? You know for a fact, I can go back on the street and sell drugs. Make a lot more money? And I can make a lot more money. It do you do? You know, for a fact, I can go back on the street and sell drugs or,

and I can make a lot more money. You know, it's one of those things where, and I look at all these, I don't know, that's a whole nother ball of wax. I'm glad you just let me ramble. I love it. You're great. But that's a whole nother thing, man. Like when I look at as a young black male, I'm not racist whatsoever, but as a young black male, what I say is that all these celebrities, all these sports superstars,

all these Michael Jordan's, LeBron James, all these guys, I'm not saying they don't do, but I'm like, dude, what are you doing for the communities? What are you doing for them? And I'm not trying to call nobody out. I want nobody to see this, but fuck, I do this, I do that. But I know I used to watch, when I did watch TV, I would see Shaq a lot on Christmas. Shaq would go out on his fucking own, dude. On his own, rent a car, go buy shit, and drop it off.

He don't want no cameras, this is what I'm doing. You know what I mean? Just like I told somebody the other day, if I hit the lottery tomorrow, dude, the shit I would do for people to know about, I'd never know it. I don't want no fucking praise, don't put my name on it. Just let me talk shit on the golf course, let me be me,

and just let me talk shit to people. I don't need you to know what I'm doing for somebody. You know what I mean? It don't, because you don't have to, just like with that podcast, I started that podcast because I told my sister, my daughter, how can I help people not only in the military?

And believe it or not, that podcast helped me more than it helped anybody. Because I got to talk to people and realize that, you know what I do, we're all going through some shit. I'm going through a divorce right now, you know what I mean? Like this ain't going the way I planned. You know, I'm Johnny motherfucking Glenn, I got something I can't fix. Holy shit, that ain't know what, dude, we're all going through some shit. Yeah. I'm going through a divorce right now. You know what I mean? Like, this ain't going the way I planned. You know, I'm Johnny motherfucking Glenn.

I got something I can't fix. Holy shit, that ain't like me, dude. I can fix anything. No, dude, you can't fix every fucking thing. You can try. You can do your best. What woke you up to realize that? It seems like you lived, like, you survived for 20 years

because you lived that. I can, I'm Johnny motherfucking Glenn. I can fix anything. Honestly, dude, when that guy told me, can fix any honestly do when that guy told me You shit when that guy told me that dude. It brought me down to a size of like I Shit, it's like I interest. Yeah when the psychiatrist told me I did I brought me to fuck down It made me realize that and I hate to say it like this. I was a fucking number dude Like in third group and I'm not tootin my horn and I want to make think I'm bragging but I was a fucking man there Dude, I walk into place. there's Johnny motherfucking Glenn,

there's Johnny motherfucking Glenn. If we did something, I'm gonna be in the top two or three, guaranteed to it, guaranteed it, if not the one, first one, anything we did. The two teams I was on in group, I was on the same two teams for 21 years. That in itself says a lot, yeah. So if I'm only on two teams in 21 years,

that says a lot, a lot. And for me me to have that reputation dude, I lived off of that I banked off of that dude like that reputation got me promoted a reputation got me here on the teams I wanted to be on the two teams as long it got us the missions. We want it Hey, sir. What mission is that? You know, you want on that? I Johnny y'all got it because you know, we're gonna fucking you know We're gonna succeed we're not gonna fail And so when I get out of the military and I tried to tell my exes I get out of an altar, dude I'm sitting on my holy fuck dude. Like I'm getting a military what the fuck am I gonna do? The biggest thing to me the scariest thing to me was what was I gonna do for work?

This is the only job I have for 23 years. You don't know anything I don't know anything else and then I'm like dude, they hired a bunch of fucking Mercenaries if you want to look at honestly like alright, dude, you can shoot good You can do a lot of that shit you in great shape like I'm gonna work for the police department I'd been arrested in about three days. I thought I slapped some fucking kid around. Hey, you can't do that here Do what dad? I'm like, damn it damn it. And so Dude, it hit me man. When he said that you ain't shit. me, man, when he said that. You ain't shit.

You're just a man, dude. You ain't shit. Leave that reputation at the door. Did you mishave your parents there to maybe help you with that? I did, dude. Because when I was going, it was crazy, man. I lost my mom December 18.

I was going through a fucking divorce. My dad was dying right underneath me. I didn't even see it, dude. Because I was so, and I'm a man of fucking situational awareness. I was so dialed in on my mom, dude. Like, God, I gotta, mom, you can, and they said she had pneumonia, I think she had COVID, they just hadn't called it COVID then.

Just the way when I saw people that got sick on COVID, she had all those symptoms, and it could have been pneumonia, I don't know, but anyways, but I was so- When did she die again? 2018, December of 2018. So this is before COVID? Before COVID. Yeah, Yeah. But looking at

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They said pneumonia. I was like, no, I ain't no fucking way. She was too strong of a woman to die from pneumonia, I think. She was strong. And then went down one day, and two days, dude, she was done. And so I stayed for two days, man. I'm just focusing on her. And my dad was having heart problems. And then once she passed two days, man. I'm just focusing on focus on her and my dad was having heart problems

And then once she passed it, I was still you know, like focused on my mom and then you know I realized my dad was sick by the time I realized me my sister my little brother realized he was sick He was pretty much he had pretty much gave up at that point. He's like I want to go be with your mom broken heart He's broken heart syndrome. Yeah, I mean went to the hospital. I thought I was gonna get arrested the doc came in I just think you got broken heart syndrome. He left I go doc night the fucking time to laugh and he goes No, it's the thing. It's the thing he can get over this is the thing But the way he said it he said it to me like he's like light-hearted like a Johnny's broken heart syndrome. You okay? Do and this dog dudes been my doctor my dad's daughter for 30 years great guy

I went back apologize to him because I fucking lost it. I came unglued. I was like, I don't know if you know what broken heart syndrome is, but you know what a fucking broken neck is. And me and you both, and my dad's sitting there doing it, he's just not doing well.

And at that point it was all emotions, dude. It wasn't me, it was just all, like dude, my dad's sick, I don't know what the fuck's wrong with you running tests, you can't tell me nothing. And he goes, yeah, it's broken heart syndrome, I'm pretty damn sure of it, doc. And that's what he told me. You got away with words in these situations.

I will tell you that. Yeah, and then two months later- You can make morbid situations, you got us laughing. Yeah, I know that. I know that. And he was, in two weeks, I meant two months later, he was dead, dude. He was done, and I remember I went to fuck off on,

on his deathbed, dude. I was like, you're a selfish fuck. You got a grand- You're a dad. That's exactly what I said to him, dude. And my dad's about six, two, six'2", 6'3", 2'40", but my mom's like 5, nothing. So I kinda got fucked. Like, he's up here, she's down here, I'm like in between.

You were yelling at him? Hell yeah, he was on his deathbed. I was like, hey! I was like, you've been a selfish fuck, dude. Get out of that bed, you should be living for us. What's he like leaning up? No, no, what he said to me was... No, you know what he said?

No, you know what he said? He said, first off, first thing he looked at me, he goes, he looked up, he goes, first off, and my dad had like a bare white tone to his voice, not quite that deep, but kind of like a deep voice. He goes, first off, watch fucking off. And right then, do my whole demeanor like, just deflated, deflated.

And I go, yes, sir. He goes, second off, who's really being selfish? I wanna go be the woman I live, and you want me to stay here. I'd say you're pretty damn selfish. And that's exactly what he said to me, dude. He goes, second off, who's really being selfish? I wanna go be the one when I live and you want me to stay here. I'd say you're pretty damn selfish. And that's exactly what he said to me, dude. And I said, yes, sir.

And I hugged him and I left the room, cried like a baby dude, came back in the room, got my shit together, came back in the room. And I just sat there, talked to him with all hands and I think that next day he was gone, dude. And the doctor said he was supposed to get an LVAD surgery Which is left essential left ventricle assist device and the doctor told me he had did 15 of those surgeries out of the 15 Everybody that lived at least 10 to 12 years at least

So I'm telling my dad all the shit tonight before like look man. You can get this thing. Yeah Yeah, and I went in there morning the doc told me say what happened your dad last night? I know what's up He goes I've never in my life seen somebody shutting down everyone in their major organs. He just lost the way to live, man. And that's when I went in there yelling, like, you being fucking selfish, that, uh, like the doc said, your kidney's fucked up, nothing's working, they just did blood work

on the day before. All he had to do was make it those 12 hours with everything, with this, you know, maintaining all this symptoms, or all of this, like heart beat and all this symptoms or all of his like heart beat and all that shit and everything came back good. He just didn't want it. He didn't want it, dude. Said he was done.

Doc said he'd never seen him like it. That's another weird thing in life. It's like, you don't want someone, you don't want someone to go. And it's sad that they have to break down like that because their heart's so broken, but they were put in a position in life where they got to have a heart that full

to get it that broken. Get it there, yeah. Oh, once he passed, you know, I look back at it, I was like, that's pretty noble for my dad to love my mom that much. Yeah. That's a beautiful thing. Pretty awesome. Oh yeah, it was.

Now that I'm older, you know, I like to see him now, I'm a little more mature. Yeah, it's like an awesome thing now that I can say that was fucking amazing. You know what I mean? That he loved my mom that much. And my dad loved life too. You'd think, I'm funny dude,

that motherfucker sitting there, you'd be like, we don't even wanna talk to you. This dude wouldn't even be military. We just wanna talk to him. Dude, he had more fucking stories you could shake a stick at. They just, phenomenal guy. They just all over the world, traveled the world.

He was just, he was just that guy, man. What did he do? He worked at a place called Amoco Fabric and Fibers. He was an engineer there, and then we had a farm. So he worked out there. And what's crazy is, I probably shouldn't say this, but he's dead now, fuck it. Yeah, he's dead now, fuck it. What is he going to do, shoot me?

And the first time I found this out, this is no bullshit. I'm going to try to hold back tears. But first time I found this out, I think I was 16 or 17. I think I was 16 or 17. But my mom had to work in the night shift where she was working at. They worked at the same place. She had to work night shift that week.

She was filling in for something where they rotated or whatever it was. He was supposed to help me with some homework. And I found out at 16 or 17, my dad couldn't read or write then. But this guy ran a business. I watched him go company with some homework. And I found out at 16 or 17, my dad couldn't read or write, dude. But this guy ran a business. I watched him go into banks, dude. Just like me, you sitting there walking to bank,

get loaned, hold on, y'all. So at the bank season, you're gonna be like, what the fuck? Yeah, I did. Couldn't read or write a little bit. And you never knew. Fuck no, I never knew. Nobody knew.

But he knew people. Well, I say he could read people, he should have been an SF dude. Yeah, I think you got it in your blood. Yeah, dude, that dude could walk on... We walked on a bank one time, I won't ever forget this. Because then, you know, when somebody tell you something you didn't know, my brain went to running like, how the fuck did he travel the world?

How did he drive in North Carolina? We had no GPS back then. He would follow a map. He couldn't read. You know, how would he do this? How would he do that? It's amazing. You get through all that., my dad, well I say this motherfucker, this motherfucker walked in a bank. I was about 14 years old. Walked in a bank, I don't know if you get this,

he was trying to get a loan for chicken houses because we had a farm, he wanted to get chicken houses. And the guys up the street, the lanes had just built four chicken houses. And my dad was like, if the lanes are building chicken houses it's because they're making money. I'm building real fucking chicken houses.

I'm building two of them. And back then a chicken house would bring you 100 grand. And 40 years ago, that was a lot of fucking money. 30, 40 years ago, 100 grand was a lot of money. And we walk in the bank, and the lady slid my dad the loan paper. He's sitting there looking at it. And did, if you told me my dad couldn't read,

I would've punched you right in the face. He's doing just like, he said, why am I reading this? Read this boy, you're going to take it on the family soon. I'm going to die one day. I was like, dad, don't talk like that. I said, I'm going to die one day. I was about 12, 13 at the time. And I get this thing, right?

And I'm looking at it and I'm reading it to myself. And he was like, read it out loud so I can hear what you're reading. So I start reading it out loud. And then he goes, stop right there. He goes, what'd you just read right there? I said, it says your annual percentage rate is gonna be whatever the hell it was, right? And then he says, now do you understand that?

And the lady's name is Miss Karen, I want her to get this. And my dad goes, when people want to be smart, let them be smart. He said, Miss Karen, explain to my son what annual percentage rate is, so he'll understand what it means in this context. Because there's something in there he didn't understand. That lady broke that shit down and looked at me,

just like I'm looking at you, he's sitting right there. Broke it down to me like, well, any percentage rate for a normal bank loan is this, this, and this. But your annual percentage rate for this loan is gonna be this because this is the type of loan it is. And then my dad goes, and I explained to him, because that's because it's agriculture. She goes, yep, because it's agriculture.

And he goes, see, when you become a farmer or when you take what I'm doing, if you get into agriculture alone, because what she just told him, now he can explain it. He's explaining that to me. And dude, I'm sitting there and after he told me that shit, I was dumbfounded. He's a people genius, dude.

I was fucking dumbfounded when he told me that. I remember me and him sat there and cried all day, man. We cried all fucking night. Then he goes, why do you think I'm so hard on you in school? Dude, when you brought it if I brought a C or D in my house my dad tore my ass up He didn't play that shit. It was a honor roll till I got to about 10th 11 grade And I started seeing girls and playing sports. I was like fuck it. He can't catch me fucking He didn't go home. I'm fast. You couldn't tell him that it was really an a

Yeah, I tried I changed him a couple times dude you find out because back then you got numbers He didn't get old, and I'm fast. You couldn't tell him that it was really an A, if it looked like a D? I changed him a couple times, dude, and you find out. Because back then, you got numbers. That's the one thing you maybe could pull on him. Oh, yeah, dude. So back then, they had like 73s. Oh, that's a 93 all day long, dude.

72s. Only one I couldn't master, that fucking 8. You couldn't fuck with an 8. But a 4, I can make a nice 9 out of a 4. Or a 3, I can make it an 8. Couldn four. Or three, I can make it at eight. And them sevens, them was nine all day, and I was at one, done. But if I got an eight, I'm like,

motherfucker, Miss Green, can you just give me a 78? I'll make that bitch a 98. She's, no, you got an 88. I'm like, fuck. Can't change it, but yeah, dude. So he was real big on me. And then one thing they taught me, man, just never quit, never give up, dude.

Always, just, you know like and don't let nobody Determine your fate your outcome you determine that and so I've always put myself in a position where I Determine it just like in the military. You know, I mean dude, like I wouldn't I was the worst leader in the military You know my guys love me, but I cared about my guys But dude, I was so why were you worse later? Never on time, dude. Always out of uniform Just fucked up, dude. Like, I told people all the time, if I'd have stayed in the regular, I'd have got kicked out. No doubt in my mind, dude.

No doubt in my mind. You heard what I told my commander, sir. I don't know what the fuck it is, but I know I got it. Like, and I wasn't cocky. It's just like, I know I got it. Like, fuck it, dude. Let's do it, you know? And I've always been confident in myself. You know what I mean? Like, you give me a task, I'm gonna complete that task. I'm gonna make it fucking happen. That's what it, you know, and I've always been confident in myself. You mean like you give me a task I'm gonna complete that task. It's gonna I'm gonna make it fucking happen

That's what they want and that's a level that's that's they want. That's exactly what they want. They want to help not that Come on doing this we fucking got how we got it done. That's it And that's and I've always been that person like hey, let's make it happen. Just like this whole race We can really do just like hey, how do we make this happen? You mean cuz we're gonna make it happen one way or the other I mean, I believe you so oh, yeah, it's gonna happen When did you get out again? What year it was 20? It was December 20 something of 2017 So always just say 28. Okay, so like a year before your mom does. Yep, something like that. She's in a hospital

Actually, she's in a hospital and dies pretty much. No, no. Yeah. Yeah, she's in a hospital actually she's in a hospital and dies pretty much no No, yeah, yeah, she's in a hospital when I'm getting out so she she died 2017 December 2017 right before I got out because I was actually going through the divorce or I get out 18 No, I got 18. I'm all fucked up 2018. I got up. Yeah, dad and in 2018 Yeah, okay, and then my dad for that dad died four months after her So you're going through the divorce right when you get out takes out. I'm going through it. I'm getting out of military I'm going through the divorce and my mom's on a deathbed Jesus it was terrible to deal with what?

Where did that so because we talked about your relationship earlier? But like you were married all the years that you were in and you were saying, you know, it was good because you'd be away Long enough that she'd want you back and then all the years that you were in and you were saying, you know, it was good because you'd be away long enough that she'd want you back and then come long enough just to piss her off. But like at the, was it kind of fomenting a divorce at the end, like before you officially get out? Was there something?

Yeah, I would say there was a little something there because I realized I was about to get out. Cause you know, you usually get about a year or two years where you get out what else is a little different and I was medically boarded out so once the medical came back there's like I did your 100% disability yada yada yada you can get out of military and they did offer me third special force group Scott Granoski love that guy to death and all my leadership dude they offer me positions bro like they were trying to keep me in hey Johnny you Johnny, you can be CCW of 3rd Special Forces Group.

You can still move up in the ranks and all that shit, which that stuff never mattered to me. What mattered to me was the job. And when they sat me down and Doc was like, hey, you know, you got two cracks in your frontal lobe, you got this going on with your vestibular, you got all kinds of shit right now, we got to figure out. You're non-deployable.

When they said that, dude, that was... To me, that was like, yeah, I'm retired. You know what I mean? Because I'll be damned if I'm finna watch my guys get on a plane and leave and go. And then I'm stuck back here just twiddlin' my fuckin' thumbs. When I know I'm still physically fit to do it, it's just all the shit that was going on in my head,

in my brain, that skull and shit. And then my team actually ended up deploying, and Kyle Warner, our medic, got killed. And after that dude is like, my brain, that skull and shit. And then my team actually ended up deploying and Kyle Warner, our medic, got killed. And after that, dude, it was like, all right, man, I'm fucking, I'm retiring, I'm done. I'm cutting ties, I'm leaving on a... And your head's not in a great place, obviously.

It wasn't a good place at the time, man. And I'm like, hey, you know what, I'm done, dude. I'm like, I'm leaving at the top of my game. For the most part, I called all my shots of where I was going, what I was doing, what my team was doing, always fighting for my guys so it's like hey I'm going on the top I'm not gonna go out fucking working at a staff job they like no I mean we'll give you this job Johnny then you'll go back to the school

house you can go be the coming out of school house then you come back here you work at the battalion I'm like no Johnny Muffin gunning built like that because you know it's a young man's game so when I was in group and I saw younger, or when I was younger and I saw the older guys, I look at that old broke motherfucker, he'll never deploy no more. Like why are you even here? You know, cracking jokes.

So I was like, I'm not gonna be that fucking guy, dude. These young motherfuckers are, why don't you deploy no more? I was like, nah, fuck that, dude. So I cut ties, man. What's crazy is nobody in the unit, maybe one or two guys knew I had fucking deployed, I meant retired. Oh, you didn't tell them? two guys knew I'd fucking deploy. I'm it retired

Oh, you didn't tell him I ain't tell nobody I ain't do a retired ceremony. Not and I kicked myself Yeah, they were like they thought I went to the schoolhouse. I'll join went to school everybody did every fucking body did Everybody thought anybody I was more embarrassed than anything do like damn. I'm leaving yeah, because that's 21 years I do that place don't work like that, man. I'll give you 30 years there. That place is more like, it's like, you are your reputation, which is terrible there. Your name there, bro, is what you are.

Yeah, I know, but you get so many deployments. It don't matter, dude. If you go to a group right now, say you do 10 years in a group, and you're Julin the fucking, Julin the Jaybird, he's the man, you're the fucking man, dude. No matter what you do, you are the fucking man there. That's your reputation.

You come in, you're a shit bird, you leave there a fucking shit bird. And everybody knows that. So once you got that reputation, it ain't you that you're worried about, it's letting those guys down and where your reputation goes. Because that is why you're there,

because you don't know any better. I didn't know any better. That was my identity. And then my son actually met one of my interpreters doing some role playing for one of the companies I worked for. Oh, he met one of the interpreters. One of my interpreters that came out. They called your dad the mother of fuck. No, no, exactly. Your daddy's definitely the mother of fuck.

So this is another story. Haruna, dude, is one of my fucking, dude, you look like he's 21. Fight his ass. I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie.

I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie. No, no, exactly. Your daddy's definitely the mother of fuck. So this is another story. Haruna, dude, is one of my fucking, dude, you look like he's 21. Fight his ass off. Just a fighter. Been fighting since he was like eight. Good fighter.

While he was doing some role playing out of Oak Grove in North Carolina, my son was doing some role playing. My son, I hired him to go do some role playing. He's making like 400 bucks a day. And all they're doing is firefighting. I'm like, hey, you have a good time. This shit I've been teaching you. He's like, all right, cool.

So they reading off the roster. And when I realized my son, happy daddy moment, he told me, daddy, don't tell nobody I'm your son. I wanna pay my own way. I was like, hell yeah, dude, that's what's up. I won't say shit, cool. So when they read the name off, they was like Tyler Glenn.

And of course Aruna, he's sharp. He looks at Glenn. All right, cool. So he just stared at him the whole time. He just kept staring at Tyler. My son favors me, he's about my height, about favors me. And Aruna walked up to him and said, hey, what's your dad's name?

And he's like, excuse me? He said, what's your dad's name? And my son goes, why? And he goes, daddy, the way he looked at me, he's like, my dad, I don't want this dude's ass. I guarantee you my dad, and it's like this dude around. Because he was Afghan, he introduced himself as an Afghan interpreter. want this dude's ass. I guarantee you my dad, and he's like, this dude don't know. Cause he was Afghan, he introduced himself

as an Afghan interpreter. And Tyler said, daddy, I was ready fighting for you. Cause he's like, I know my dad and did something to this dude. And he heard my last name. And Tyler goes, my dad. And then he goes, and Tyler, big kid, he's a baseball player.

He goes, my dad's name is Johnny Muffin Glenn. He's dad, I pump my chest out. So my dad's name is Johnny Muffin Glenn, why? And he goes, daddy, he just grabbed me and he started squeezing me and hugging me. And he's like, put me down, yeah. He's been there when our guys got shot, doing working on them. And he's like, I'm gonna go to the gym, and I'm gonna go to the gym, and I'm gonna go to the gym,

and I'm gonna go to the gym, and I'm gonna go to the gym, and I'm gonna go to the gym, and I'm gonna go to the gym, and I'm gonna go to the gym, and I'm gonna go to the gym, and I'm gonna go to the gym, and I'm gonna go to the gym,

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I'm gonna go to the gym. I'm gonna go to the gym. I'm gonna go to the gym. I'm gonna go to the gym. I'm gonna go to the gym. I'm gonna go to the gym. I'm gonna go to the gym. I'm gonna go to the gym. I'm gonna go motherfucking Glenn was and he kinda told him a story. I texted him, I said, hey man, let me tell my son this shit, man.

What's wrong with you? He's like, oh, we just out here doing some op for playing, man, sharing some stories. I was like, nah, man, I'll tell my kid that. But when all that shit that was going on, mentally, bro, I was in a bad place, man, mentally. And I wasn't in a bad place where I wanted to hurt myself or hurt somebody.

I was in a bad place where I just didn't myself hurt somebody I was in a bad place Why just didn't know my identity or I take yeah, you lost your there you go. I lost my way Yeah, I lost the fact that holy shit, dude I've been doing this for 20 something fucking years on an ODA the whole fucking time Which no next remember you bring here ask how many times I went to switch to the schoolhouse. I Bet you everyone I'm been twice or three times Actually, how many times you went to SWCC? Zero. Yeah.

I asked him how many times you ever did an instructor job at the schoolhouse. Zero, yeah. I asked how many times you stayed on ODS, whole fucking time, dude. Unheard of. So when you leave that, they go back to like, now I'm going home, and I remember the day they were like,

the doc was like, well, you can medically retire, you can talk to your unit and stay in. I was driving home that day, dude. I was doing like 30 miles an hour. My head was like, what the fuck am I gonna do, dude? Because you don't plan to get out. Our guys don't. Rego Army guys, they plan for that shit

because they got a job. You just gonna put them into a good job. For us dudes, it's like, I'm gonna do this shit till I die. That's your mentality. So I didn't have a plan. For once I didn't have a plan because it wasn't a mission for me. This is my way of life. I don't need a plan.

I'm gonna do this shit till I die. So I drove home and I got home dude and it was just, it was fucking, I remember I walked in the house and Sadie had told me that day, I sort of cooked me some. It might have been gumbo. She's from Louisiana.

And she had told me stop by the grocery store and get something. And I get home about seven o'clock. I walk in the house. I'm unlocking the door, dude, and I just feel like the biggest shit bag. I remember opening the door and I walk in the house. She's like, hey, did you get such and such?

I'm like, what? She's like, did you get such and such? I was like, no, I totally forgot. And she's like, why did you get, what? How am I supposed to make this? And she starts like, I'm trying to make this for you. How did I? And I just fucking snapped.

I was like, why the fuck are you yelling at me? I don't give a fuck about da-da-da. I just snapped, bro, went off. And then for the next two months, she said, and my kids said, I would come in the house and I would stay until we had a media room. First, you walk in the room, you take a right. There's a big media room where we watch movies and shit.

And she said, I would walk in there. Walk in the house, I would go in that room and I would just sit there and stare at the wall. And to say what about it is, I don't remember none of that shit, man. Only thing I remember, my daughter came in and asked me one day, daddy, what's wrong with you?

Why are you so sad? That's all I fucking remember, and that was Lauren, my mini-me. What do you, do you think that was due to just you being at a frozen point in your life, do you think that's actually PTSD manifesting itself? I don't think it was PTSD. I think it was more of like me

just not having an answer, bro. Like I didn't know up from down, left from right. I didn't know where the fuck I was doing. Like, man, I'm just gonna let them make the decisions for me and I've never had that. I've never had somebody say, all right Johnny, this is what we're gonna do for you and this is how you're gonna do it.

I've never had that. I'm like, hey sir, this is where I wanna go. All right, cool. All right, so I'm gonna do this. All right, Johnny, this is what we're going to do for you. And this is how you're going to do it. I've never had that. I'm like, hey, sir, this is where I want to go. All right, cool. Hmm. All right, so I'm going to do this. All right, cool. Hey, sir, I'm taking the team here. All right, cool.

Hey, Johnny, we got a mission. Do you team want this? Yep, we'll take it. Yeah. And you get things like that. It's like, all right, cool. So your whole fucking career, dude, I've done. I've stared at that fucking shit.

Now all of a sudden, I have no control. I'm turning it, but that motherfucker is going straight ahead. And you felt like you couldn't talk to your wife about it. I felt like I couldn't talk to nobody about it. I didn't talk to nobody about it because I didn't really know what to say. You know, like, and I first week or so,

I went to a city shrink. First month I talked to the shrink. I just didn't know what to tell him. I'm like, Doc, I just don't know what the fuck I'm doing. He's just gonna feel like that because you don't. He said, well, once in your life, it ain't you being a Green Beret that's tackling Green Beret shit. Now you're tackling, which is simple stuff to you, but I once in your life, it ain't you being a Green Beretist tackling Green Beret shit.

Now you're tackling, which is simple stuff to you, but I'm tackling real life shit. Paying my mortgage, how am I gonna do that? Getting out of the military, man, I gotta do a resume. How the fuck you do a resume? You know, just little things like that that you, I've never crossed my mind to that point, dude. Like, do we need to move?

What do you mean I gotta do a PCS move? How the fuck you do that? Never did a fucking PCS move. I've never PCSed in my life, dude. So for that one time when I was 19 years old and they did it for me, I was a private. But now you're telling me I gotta move all my household goods?

What do you mean move my household goods? I'm not going anywhere. Okay, and you gotta go talk to the people over there about you staying here and this, you can put your stuff, you can go back to your home and records. Fucking overwhelming, dude. I was like, holy fuck. I can can control fires i can control men in combat you mean tell me paperwork i can piece of paperwork is not for me i can't even fucking

i don't even know how to do what do i do about life insurance what do i do about medical dental all i do is a fucking whirlwind and just trying to figure that shit out and i'm like fuck man i gotta find i gotta find an answer somewhere. But I think also a part of it is like your mind is used to chaos. Oh yeah, it was. And it's like, this is a different kind of chaos, but it's not, there's no stakes and you can't control it. I can't control it.

And not even control it, I just can't even, I can't even do like, in a firefight, dude, if you show them where, if I can hear where the bullets are coming from, I can tell where they're firing from. I can tell you probably what they're gonna move to. I can tell you probably where we need to be. I can tell you where I'm gonna start maneuvering

my element to. With this shit right here, dude, it was just like, woof. I'm like, oh shit, what about health insurance? What the fuck, what the hell is that? I never had to worry about that. I'm health insured through the military. Holy shit, dude. What do you mean I'm mortgage payment?

What do you mean I'm not gonna get paid for potentially three, four months until my VA and disability kick in? What am I supposed to do then? How are we supposed to pay the bills? It was just fucking, it was spiraling, dude. And then one day I was like, all right, I get my fucking shit together, dude.

And then I just went to the shrink and I go, all right, dude, what do I need to get my shit together? He was like, Amy, you just gotta fucking take it one day at a time and figure out what you wanna do. But you felt like your marriage wasn't, wasn't gonna work? Yeah, well we tried to work on it, dude. Like I wanted it to work.

Once I realized I had the issues and I had to fix me, I told her like, hey, I'm fixing me and I love our marriage to work. And at that point, dude, I think the damage was done. Like she saw a side of me that she didn't like and she probably never wanted to see again. Like never had I ever yelled or cursed at her like that. And she was like, oh fuck no.

Like, nope, you're crazy. It's like, no, I'm not crazy. I just got shit going on. Let me fix it. Then of course I start fixing me. And then she would do things I think just to see like is he changing or is he still upset about getting out of military?

And then I think what really hurt her was when I went to her, I told her like, hey, I got a lot of shit going on. She's, what do you mean you got a lot of shit going on? And my exact words were, I'm about to get out of military and lose the team. And then she fucking came unglued, where like she was like, I was like.

Oh, cause it's like you're sliding her. Exactly, for her it was like, oh, they mean more to you, your fucking family mean to you, motherfucker. I've been waiting for you to stop where we can now start living and we can start going on vacation. That was her back words. We should be living now, going on vacation, doing shit. I got a great job.

You're retiring. We should be actually going to do shit. I'm like, yeah, but the guys in our shoes, like what? And do that. I think that was like a slight kick in the face, man. Like, or a slight kick in the junk. Like, what the fuck? You know what I mean?

Like, where are we at on your fucking priority poll? Yeah. And I was like, no, no, no, I love my family, but this is how I provide for y'all. Now it looks like I'm tap dancing. Yeah. I'm like, you know, I stay in the military. I make more, right?

We make more money, we do shit. She's like, yeah, whatever. Well, you always had those two worlds, that's the thing. Yeah. You'd be on and off, on and off, on and off. And it's hard to lose. But now I'm losing that one world going to just one world. Yeah.

And it's just fucking, and knowing that I wasn't coming back, it'd be different. It's like, hey, dude, go hill. Come back. You're good. But it's like, nah, dude, like, you can't risk hitting your fucking dome again. You know, not until.

And I get it. You know what I mean? You're a detriment now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was like, fuck. And at the time, I didn't get it. And I remember I told my command on my worst day. I'm better than the best fucking operator You got my worst day Now I'm like Johnny motherfucking Glenn. I'm finna talk shit, you know fuck that this shit ain't happening

But now I did it's like and I had a good commander me actually Mike Sullivan. He's the same guy He's in charge of RWB now. So shout out to Mike dude He kind of picked up on like Johnny sharp right now do what the fuck's going on with him and you need people like that Yeah, well, I tell people all the time and he play it down But he definitely saved my life dude, cuz I was still trying to operate bro, and I was black and hot I stand up real fast dude a whole fucking room be spinning I'm like what the fuck is going on because my brain apparently hadn't redocked itself from the end I had two cracks in the frontal lobe that didn't know about it's pretty fucked up and I was the ID again 2017

no no 2015 and where was that in we were going through we're on the other side of fob Rob firebase Robinson yeah hi ID heaven mmm no and I'm still trying to stay in the fight All I remember that morning man. I remember this that morning. I told the team I walked by I said hey Put your helmets on today. We're hitting the fucking uh, ID and make sure you got your underwear on Is that what I said? I went and got in my truck one of my guys like don't say that I said i've hit a few of these motherfuckers got that feeling it wasn't 30 minutes later, dude I was fucking in the truck going what the fuck

And it was just black and dark and dusty. And I was like, what the fuck is going on? Fuck. I remember getting on the radio, radio back to Jimmy like, hey, we're fine. We're gonna try to get out of this truck and come to you. But we couldn't open the door. It picked up the MRAP. I don't know if you know what the MRAP is.

One of those big ass trucks. Like the ones in the video behind, the firefighting, that big brown truck. Oh yeah, yeah. Weighs about 20,000 pounds. It threw that motherfucker about 50 yards. Yeah. Big boy. Oh, the crater he's about 20,000. Yeah, it threw that motherfucker about 50 yards Yeah, big boy. Oh the crater you could have put this building in it. It's big boy. We all survived We all we all walked away. He didn't lose him or anything Sean

Sean knee got thrown into the dash. It's all metal. It busted his knee up. He was fine Luke got a big gals on his forehead Bust his eardrums the other kid in there Cody forehead, bust his eardrums. The other kid in there, Cody, it fucked up his eardrums. He had a, he was brain concussed for a while. He was messed up pretty good. So everybody in the truck survived. The truck did what it's supposed to do.

Everybody survived, dude. No. But it certainly rung the bell enough. Oh yeah, definitely, oh yeah. Doc's like, ah, no, we're going to get this fixed. And then Mike Solomon again, he was like, hey, I'm sending you to fucking Germany just to get you checked out. You feel like you're in a good place now?

Oh, yeah. The best place in my life, Dan. Yeah, you seem great. I'm going off camera. I tell people right now, dude. If I'd have known now, back in 2018, I'd probably still be married. If I'd have known then, if I'd have just accepted the fact, hey dude, you ain't Johnny motherfucking Glenn anymore, you're getting out of fucking military, you ain't in fucking Green Beret

no more, you're a fucking, you know, you're a former action guy, you're exactly what you're you're fucking. I'm getting a t-shirt, me says, former action guy. You're done. And so now you're going to be husband. You're gonna be a father. You're gonna be a brother. You're gonna be an uncle. You're gonna be a cousin.

You're gonna be all those things you weren't when you were in the military. You were those things, but you're absent at it. So I was like father A, uncle A, uncle absent. But now dude, like my nephew's playing sports down in Georgia. I go try to catch, if he's got a basketball game, dude, I'm driving nine hours, bro. Eight years old, you know, the fuck he's doing just run around. He touched the ball He's like, well you see me. I saw you man drove eight hours for a home away home tomorrow

Musters like why do you drive down here for this? I was like because this is shit. He's gonna remember Yeah, cuz this is shit. My dad would have been here for yeah, and my kids did I'm with my daughter They bought it at stick shift car. She was 21 three days ago on the 15th So she's 21 now. My other daughter is 18 or 19 So and my son's 25 man, so I'm in their lives as much as I possibly can I try to be cordial and talk to my ex as much as I can, you know But now dude, I'm in a place where I know that I realize I was a number great reputation there It's great to come on podcasts, share the stories I got.

I got some amazing fucking stories that you lived through and you're like, holy fuck, dude. But then you realize that there's way more to life than just that life. And that's where I think the military and the VA, they're finally starting to try to get that right. Where the PTSD, if you're a soft guy, you were picked for a reason.

They've already checked your mental attitude. They know you're borderline fucking crazy. They know that already. But they also know you can control it. Because I tell people all the time, what scares me all the time, dude, is you take a SF guy, you take a SEAL, you take a Ranger guy that knows what to do with a weapon.

He knows how to play him. Can you imagine that motherfucker going rogue? Oh, yeah. Can you imagine him going into a place, I'm going to shoot up a place? He ain't going plan. Can you imagine that motherfucker going rogue? Can you imagine him going into a place, I'm going to shoot up a place. He ain't going in there to just shoot the place up. He'll kill everybody in there for anybody can get a phone call off. Because he's already jammed the place before he walked in there. No calls are coming out, no calls are going in. Now he's going to barricade himself in there or

he's going to have an out. This is my out right here. So I think about shit like that. So they're starting to get it right in the sense that you got to give God's purpose, man. Purpose is where it is. You got to have purpose. And for me, my purpose now, man, is just trying to make this world a better place than what it was, like you said, when I leave it.

Because my dad loved my mom and dad to death, they definitely made me and this world a better place when they were in it. Yeah. So for me, it's like, hey, if I leave here and my kids can say, I'm proud my dad did A, B, and C, and my friends can say, hey, Johnny Glenn was a loud, annoying motherfucker, but he was there when I needed him.

If I do that, dude, and I knew that I made any impact on somebody's life, then I'm winning, bro. I think you're winning. I think so. I'm trying, bro. You got me impact on somebody's life, then I'm winning, bro. I think you're winning. I think so. I'm trying, bro. You got me ready to run through a wall. I'm trying, dude. I'm trying.

I'm trying to win. Yeah, it's... Because it's hard. Listen, like to get to where you're at mentally right now, I know that's quite a journey, and it does seem like you're in a really great place. It is, I am. Just keep that shit rolling,

and obviously your career, you know, I know you look at it like you're in a really great place. It is, I am. Just keep that shit rolling and obviously your career, you know, I know you look at it like you're just doing your job and everything, but it's a pretty insane career. You saw some crazy things, did a lot of really courageous stuff. And I think it's really important. See, I just call it crazy shit.

I don't think it's courageous. Let's go run in this building, somebody's shooting it. Like I think about it now, I'm like, you're a dumb son of a bitch. Listen though, I think, I love how on a podcast like this, we can get kind of like history written out there forever so people can hear your experience through your eyes and how you saw it. And some kid can watch this 50 years from now and be like, damn, that's how they had it.

Oh, yeah. Because they'll be fighting that shit on drones. They might be. It might be past that even at that point. It's coming. Exactly. Exactly. But listen, thank you be past that even at that point. It's coming exactly exactly But listen, thank you so much for doing this. Yes, sir. It's an absolute pleasure I'll see you next week I'll see you in fucking blue

But what we'll have is there a way people can support the Yeah, I was gonna say that to me you got me all floated talking about my dad and shit some fun, bro. But we'll have is there a way people can support the the run across the country? Yeah, I was gonna say that to me. You got me all flooded talking about my dad and shit. Hey, so everybody looking today. So Team Real White and Blue, as we've been saying over the podcast last few hours, we're running a flag from San Diego, USS Midway to DC. We're starting May 2nd, we're trying to do it in 1719 days days. And what we're promoting is veteran wellness and veteran health. And the biggest thing is, I think it's 22,

if I'm not mistaken, is 22 veterans a day commit suicide, which is one too many. Crazy. And me personally, I can say, I've never thought about killing myself, but I can say I've been in a dark place where it's like, all right, is there light at the end of the tunnel? Am I better off here or am I better off just leaving my family,

going back to Georgia and not talking to nobody? Hell, I even thought about moving to South Dakota, but I know black people there didn't know where I was. So, but on the real, no, but on the real, you can support this by going to Team Real White Blue and donate, we got 12 runners. Pick runner Johnny, you want to donate to me, you want to donate to nobody else.

Selfish like that. They say it in a competition, bullshit, it's a this competition, but now we're trying to raise a million dollars So what they're doing is which I like they're breaking it down for each runner to see what they're raising So that at the end of it runners can be like hey, this is what I raised This how much I raised and it all goes into to one big pot and right now we got some amazing for sponsor We got a gov ex we got Nike Fitbit wall gonna rare fit FitBase. They're gonna track everything. My old battalion commander Sully and group commander, he's actually running on my battalion commander. He's actually going to be running him and I, JJ.

They're setting up like a military operation. You don't like it, dude. They're setting up, they got this big mobile command center. So you'll be able to see when Johnny's running what my vitals are. Hold on. That's really cool. Yeah. They're setting it up so everybody can see it. So we, and then, you know, a couple of other sponsors came through. What my vitals are. The whole night. That's really cool. Yeah. They're setting it up so everybody can see it. And then a couple of other sponsors came through. I can't remember them all. I know GovX came through.

I just did a thing with them. They got us shoes. And then a lot more sponsors that came through. I think Cat was one. I can't remember Allstate. For whatever reason, Allstate's in my brain. Probably might not even be Allstate. And then we partnered up with UHP, Universal Health and Performance out in Arkansas.

And that's where we went and did all our workouts and our trial stuff. And they got phenomenal trainers out there. My boy Matt's out there and Matt kind of took us in, man, and kind of helped us. He was a SF guy too. He brought the team in, because I think I'm not only SF guy.

We got a couple range battalion guys in the rest. I think Cole's SF guy too. But the rest is basically all like regular army guys Navy guys and Marines they start in gals They stuck us all together and like our room puts on a team and we just gonna go run the fly across America, man So I want all veterans, you know par to our veterans are in the military or out of the military Now wherever you at if we're running through your town come support us You mean come on description below. Yeah, that'll have that down there. That's it. Put it on there.

That's really cool you're doing that. Yeah. It's going to be fun, man. We're trying to do it 3,200 miles or a little over 3,000, between 3,000 and 3,200. Trying to do it in 17 days. We've got four three-man teams. And we're trying to run about 60 to 64 miles a day.

That's fucking insane. Nonstop. Flag never stops. I have no doubt you're going to pull it off. And so everybody out there watching this, go in and start pushing math out. That's moving America forward Cuz I'm sick of us moving America forward again. I'm sick of us going backwards. I'm gonna keep saying it math math that shit up

We're about to math. I love it. That sounds like some good shit. It's good shit I wish I could fart on command cuz that'd be awesome. We're about to math and then you just fart yourself Everybody else you know what it is. Give it a thought. Give it a try farting. Awesome Thank you guys for watching the episode. If you haven't already, please hit that subscribe button and smash that like button on the video. They're both a huge, huge help. And if you would like to follow me on Instagram and X, those links are in my description below. Discover the magic of Bet MGM Casino, where the excitement is always on deck. Pull up a seat and check out a wide

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