Julian Dorey Podcast - #313 - Top Cartel Journalist on Jalisco Extermination Camps & 2025 Mexico War | Kat Szulc

Episode Date: June 25, 2025

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We could talk about f**king CIA cartels all day long. The crazy thing about this is that the Sinaloa cartel will label them inactive. They're just dismantling themselves. Now you have Jalisco cartel, one of the most violent and expansionist cartels ever, a kingpin, and Mencho, who is completely under the radar, controlling all of Mexico. And you can use that to your advantage. I mean, you have the narco corridos trending on Apple charts in Mexico, but also in the US. If you have this kind of music that's basically being like,

El Mencho is my number one dog and four letters until the day I die and let's go and get the scar and you're inciting violence, but you're also inciting people to be part of something that is so much bigger. So basically it was this branch that they discovered that served as an extermination camp. Human and bone fragments were found 200 pairs of shoes Hundreds of items of clothing and so Carolina's family lives there. What does your family say just to give you a real-life example is like Hey guys, if you're not following me on Spotify, please hit that follow button and leave a five-star review They're both a huge huge help. Thank you.

Nice double header today. Double header. Double header. We had Zooliger right before you. And now we're onto the main event. Ladies and gentlemen, right? Start your engines. I thought you were going to be soft-spoken. That went up to zero right there. Yeah, I always hit the red.

Okay. Nice job. You're welcome. Kat, it's good to see you again. Likewise, Julian. Thanks for coming on last time. And also, it was a lot of fun, but since then, it's been really cool to see you also get your own show through our mutual friend, Rocco.

Great guy. And doing that over on, that's on Andy Stump's network, right? You're doing it on Ironclad? Yeah, on Ironclad. It's Borderland Dispatches. And thanks, you gave me like a really good platform to talk about my reporting, which led to me having a platform where I can always talk about the reporting.

Well, I'm always happy to do that. And also, you report on something that is so under covered, meaning there are not a ton of English speaking on the ground cartel journalists that we can get to come on shows. It's literally like Ed Calderon, Louise, that guy, I am Grillo, and you. Yeah, they're good.

And like the thing thing is, too, I try to kind of take it beyond the headlines. I try my best, because I like to cover the, you know, the human impact, the human toll, everything that's going on behind the scenes, too. And then, as we talked about, covering basically all of North America, because I'm from Canada.

So we're talking about the Canadian Cartel connection, which I started doing last year and didn't really hit at first because I was the only one talking about it. Like, there were, like, Sam Cooper, Kim Mullen, Canadian journalists who talk about organized crime in Canada, but I buckled down into the cartels in Canada and talked with the Sinaloa cartel associate operating in Canada,

kind of got into exactly how that's going on. And now since Trump came into office and they declared the cartels foreign terrorist organizations, director of FBI Cash Patel is like, they're coming in through the ports of Vancouver, they're bringing in the Chinese precursors for fentanyl, making it in Canada and moving it around through their networks. Yeah, like a winter, the ports of Vancouver. They're bringing in the Chinese precursors for fentanyl making it in Canada and moving it around Through their networks. Yeah, like a winter the cauldron. Yeah, exactly So now into all that today everything you just bit off. We're just like a little fully run down. Yeah, absolutely But we also have Carolina in the studio today. It's great to have you Carolina. So excited to be here Oh, yeah, so you guys are just traveling around to the doing show to show right now?

Basically, we're doing a little tour. You went on Sean Ryan before this, right? Yeah, but I don't think you should put that in because what if it doesn't air? What do you mean? Well now it's well pressures on you Sean. You gotta air it It's all good You stay running your mouth on these. That's not running my mouth. You wanted to record it. I invited you out there. Oh my. People came for the cartel tea not for you to be like. Not cartel tea. I'm just saying like you're making the rounds now. We like to see that. We are yeah. You hadn't been making the rounds yet. Because you'd been doing it. You've been doing it for a couple years before you got to the show. No like a year.

Yeah, well, yeah, so like a year. Well, I'd been a reporter, but right now you're like a couple years and doing the cartel thing now or the organized crime. But then now it's good because we're getting it out there. Okay. And then Carolina, your family's from Sinaloa. Yeah, everyone's out there. Basically, they're still there. Parents. Oh, yeah, my cousins, my aunts, my grandparents, like everyone. How is it out there these days? There's like highs and lows, but honestly like it's like a low every day technically

Um, just the people that live there. It's normal for them, right? Like you say carterina. Yeah, like violence. It's very normalized so essentially like when I Like speak to family members about it, I do notice, like, their perspective is very different from mine. And they love what Katarina's doing. They're like, someone's talking about this. Because I do have family members who, like, see it more than others.

Like, want this to be out, want this to be over. So, definitely, like, a thing. They're tired of it. So to be over. So definitely like a thing. They're tired of it. So that's interesting. So your family was a fan of Cat too and your family also like lives there. Well, they found Cat through me cause I made her a huge deal

cause I found her on your podcast. I was like- Very cool. Yeah, like I literally, I'm a fan of your show and I watched your segment together. Like I would watch your stuff prior to Kat, but then I saw her and I was like, who's this girl? Like talking about the cartel in Sinaloa

and I'm like, oh, she's cute too. Like. We're friends. Yeah, we're friends now. That's very cool. And so. So through this show. Yeah.

Yes, and so I actually do nails. So we might, you can tell them like how we met. Yeah, I'm not the guy to like grade nails, but I will say, I looked through your Instagram this afternoon when you got here. And now he's getting a full set. It's not, I will not be, but it's no joke. I'm very, very impressed.

Thank you, thank you so much. It's like very, a lot of artistry going on. Yes, we did. I feel, I would feel very strange to like even touch those nails because it's like touching a Picasso. It's like yeah Touching a picture. Yeah. No. Yeah, we did like some cutesy like white nails on her But she does a lot of cool stuff With espresso beans on it and she does like airbrushing like it's crazy. Yeah, very cool. Yeah, but it brought us together I texted her like hey, I saw you and Julian Dory

Like I would love to do your nails if you ever in the Bay Area like I got you and she never goes and she just So happened to be there. Yeah, very cool We did that and she was like my family and I respect your reporting Which is so cool because I get a lot of shit too. Yes So it's just gonna say that's perfect because your family's on the ground Yes, when you get shit about like what the fuck does this girl know and you have people on the ground like yep That's right. Yes. That's a good thing. Yeah, I appreciate that me put about us in a lonesay Yeah, we recorded while we did nails and so nails and use yeah, I was very creative I respect that well bring your inspiration to a lot of people. Thank you. Yeah, very cool

So I hope you guys keep doing that. We will that's that's definitely never been done before nails and cartels Yeah, interesting combination. But anyway, so we'll get through we'll just go all over the place today We've got a lot to cover We got a lot to cover but the Canada thing is very interesting Obviously because you said like you're from there to you've been pulling on this thread a while But what last time when you were on episode 264 with me in the fall? I mean we didn't put that out till January But you were talking you told me about the time where you went into the fentanyl lab in Canada with a fixer.

Yeah. So we went through that story. Refresh people on that and then I want to know what you've kind of uncovered since then. Okay. So last year, last summer, I had a source who's a Sinaloa cartel associate operating in Canada. Now it's really important to keep in mind that for the longest time Canada didn't have a strict visa requirement the way the US did for Mexican nationals Looking to just go into Canada on tourist visas. They didn't have to go through like an application process with payment It was super simple. And so during Trump's first administration

It was super simple. And so during Trump's first administration, the southern border started to kind of get locked down and because it was so easy for these guys to get to Canada, they were like, all right, let's switch up how we're running operations. We can't take advantage of the southern border in the same way we once were. So let's go to the northern border. The Canadian border is one of the longest unprotected borders in the world. It's more than 5,000 miles. And the American border is like a little bit over 2,000 miles.

And you guys have a wall and just a lot of... Kind of. Kind of, yeah. And that doesn't... Got some holes in it. That also doesn't stop smuggling, because literally just a few weeks ago this super State of the art

Underground tunnel was found in El Paso Juarez that was smuggling a shit ton of drugs and we pull that up You probably can't so yeah, this just happened a few weeks ago actually Interesting okay, and so a few weeks ago, actually. Interesante. Okay. And so, basically, but the point of this is, is that the Canadian border is massive and it's largely unprotected. There are certainly some tech in place

that, like thermal technology, whatever, there's CBP that are monitoring... They have drones and stuff, too? No. No. They don't have drones. And so this was going under the radar for so long. I would say since like 2016 and so then

They moved operations up there the cartels. They started to network with local Canadian criminal organizations and Basically told them look we're here now. We have direct connections to the Chinese groups supplying the precursors. There are organized crime groups in Canada that are of predominantly Chinese heritage, so let's band together, up our profits, and up our global networks, and our abilities to smuggle into the United States. So, last summer, I get in touch with someone who's doing just that and has been for a couple of years and basically told me that, you know,

he's a little bit worried just because they're upping pill production and that starts to draw a lot of attention. And we'll see that in a lot of like the seizures, whether that be in Canada or the US, fentanyl pill seizures is like a big- Fentanyl pills. Yeah, it's like a big deal Fentanyl pills? Yeah.

It's like a big deal because it's worth a lot of money and you can... It's really efficient to traffic because you can just put these pills in a bunch of bags, you know, cover them up, lightweight, whatever you want to call it. It's not like trafficking a fucking AK-47. A little harder to hide that up your ass. They're not putting it up their ass. It's just, I'm just being facetious. But essentially they moved into Canada.

They started networking with local organized crime groups and started trafficking it into the U.S. through this largely unprotected border. Dumb question started. So stop it. Go ahead. But like when you say local organized crime groups in Canada, what does that look like? The United Nations, Brothers Keepers, Hells Angels, Red Scorpion, what does that look like the United Nations brothers keepers Hells Angels red scorpion?

Those are the United Nations. It's called not the actual you know, it's a game Come on get a clue Yeah, you just got all the delegates they're sitting at the roundtable decorum like no I just think it Canada and it's like hockey and beer and I can't picture like what they're and that's exactly part of the problem right because if you think of Canada and all you think about is hockey beer and yeah what's like thank you sorry hey then you don't think that a lot of fentanyl is being produced in Canada precursors are being trafficked into Canada and then the fentanyl that's being produced there is being trafficked into the US and

the numbers don't reflect that because the numbers on both sides of the border are saying that less than 1% of the fentanyl in the United States is coming from Canada and that is just untrue. And I don't say this as speculation It's really important for me to mention that I have a source who I can't name and so you can take it However, you want I mean, I don't really care completely legit source that specializes he's law enforcement and specializes in organized crime and all of these criminal syndicates in Canada and we talk regularly and he tells me that

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So it's a complete legit person. Got it. Yeah. And when did that happen? When did he reach out? put us in touch. So it's a complete legit person. Yeah. And I went, when did that happen? When did he reach out? Literally after I was on your podcast or after it aired. Very cool. Yeah. Cause it aired a little bit after I actually,

we actually showed it. Yeah. Yeah. We, I held that one for like two and a half months. Too long because then it was all dated by the time it came out. So you guys need to stop shooting. We were okay. Sometimes we like, I I mean you've seen it we were okay Yeah, when people are in town, and then it's like I have one that's evergreen and then one that's got to get out right away I don't need the whole spiel Julian. It's fine. I'm sorry. I accept. It's fine anyways an explanation Just us have you okay? Yeah, you're really gonna start that right now. I didn't realize I got my two fucking Andrew Tate show

Oh god, no, no, no. Here we go again with this shit. We're not like that here. We're not the Tate pill. Anyways, on the fentanyl note, so they started making all this shit. And it was really simple for them because they have this open border and they have a lot of people

who were looking for extra cash because the Canadian economy is just simply, objectively, not doing well. It hasn't been since COVID, maybe even before that. I mean, you know, people can argue whatever they want. And so there were a lot of people who were willing to be mules. And also along a lot of the Canadian border region, there are people who own light aircrafts. And yeah, so it made it very simple for them to fly across or if they had like a racer like a

four by four. Is that what you call it? Like a quad? Yeah, quad. I feel like fucking hilarious Baldwin. He was born in Mexico. How do you think you can learn in English? That's not what I'm doing. There's just so many ways to say that fucking a four by four right man I understand how Baldwin's so much better since I've understood what she went what she's up to. Oh my god poor guy It's rush over there. I

Watch a little bit of the show and I was like it looks like hell on earth Hell no. Oh my God, bury me alive instead. Anyways, so there's people who own light aircrafts. There's people who own four by fours because it's a lot of like farmland and residential areas. And so a lot of these people were getting hired, are getting hired and they're making to run like whatever the batch is like a batch of fentanyl but however many pills were produced in like a batch that they

want to traffic upwards of a hundred and fifty thousand dollars yeah Canadian so that's like I mean you'd have to yeah around a hundred thousand I think I can't do the math off the top of my head. I'm a journalist. It's all good. So. Close enough. Anyways, they're making a shit ton of cash. They're operating basically under the radar because like you said, what's Canada? Beers and hockey?

So you wouldn't think that you have these regular, schmugular people running $150,000 worth, well, maybe not worth, but they're making $150,000 to run a full batch of fentanyl pills into the US. They're literally just driving across or flying across or riding across the border, or even in some cases, walking across in one of my episodes of the dispatches. I literally went to an open border area where I'm standing there, and on one side I'm standing on Canadian grass, and right behind me, you can literally just walk, there's a bit of a ditch,

but you can just hop across and you're in the US. Like, it just so happened that I actually came across a CBP officer when I was there, which, so funny, because there's so many miles of no- What are the chances? What are the chances? What are the chances? But also, any sort of oversight or monitoring that there is, at least from my observations, it's coming from the American side.

And it's simply due to the fact that the Canadian law enforcement just doesn't have the resources to deal with it. I mean, okay, I say this time and time again, and we actually talked about this last time I was here, I have no faith in the Canadian justice system because they don't even have the capacity to deal with domestic crime. So how could we possibly expect them to deal with transnational organized crime? What were you telling me outside before the podcast? That was a dramatization, but certainly it's like, but you could like Google a case right now,

bring something up, seriously, bring something up of like a violent sex offender who gets like a few months of probation and is back out in the community. In Canada. Yes, it's so bad. I mean, people are committing violent crimes and walking free and these are Canadian citizens and it's.

Is that a recent, like in the last 10 years phenomenon. Yeah What do you think that is the government like it was it was our The prime minister that we had in the way everything just kind of sure though Yeah, and I like I don't vote so for I don't participate in politics. I'm I'm Like just I have my beliefs and I just go with that. Whatever It's not a reflection of a certain political party. But at the end of the day, I believe in justice, right? And that was a big reason, we talked about this too,

why I stopped doing journalism in Canada. Because I felt like it was like child murder after child murder and all this fucked up stuff. Granny gets pushed onto the train tracks, breaks both her arms, and Buddy is picked up by the cops and out in like a few weeks. And I just couldn't deal with that because you can only do so much of that before you start to go insane.

And so anyways, now you have this big beast in Canada of cartels operating there with organized crime groups that were operating with no problem And now you add cartels into that mix be so fucking for real you really think let me give a great example of this Okay, and this really stood out to me, and I hope I can get it across when the head of the RCMP a few weeks or months ago was questioned How many individual organized crime groups are operating currently in Canada. I don't know off the top of my head. Keep in mind that prior

to this, CSIS, which is basically Canadian like intelligence, had released a report detailing organized crime groups operating in Canada, okay? Just keep that in mind. So also for viewer context, RCMP is our national police force, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police. And the head of this police force is being asked how many. So he, I don't know, kind of stumbling. The question is clarified. Could you give us maybe a ballpark number

of how many individual organized crime groups there are in Canada right now? Off the top of my head maybe 4,000 4,000 says that number we'll dead ass and the fears are gonna hate that language and They hate when I do that and then So the person who's asking goes, okay 4,000 with 4,000 individual organized crime groups with their own individual leadership and networks. And he says, yeah, about 4,000. That CSIS report that had just come out detailed 668 organized crime groups.

So how the fuck do you expect Canadian law enforcement to tackle a problem that they don't even have proper intel or communications on. Four thousand sounds crazy. And so blown out of proportion compared to 668. Also, I mean, let's be so for real for a moment. If 4,000 individual organized crime groups are operating in Canada, that's like gangland. Yeah. Are you kidding me? Oh, it's nuts.

Yeah. Four thousand, like the world would know about that. Like, be so for real right now. There's not even 4,000 individual cartels operating in Mexico, and you're trying to tell me that there's 4,000 OCGs in Canada? Oh, come on. Like I couldn't even wrap my head around that answer.

I was like, resign right now. But, so this is a huge problem, and it's feeding the fentanyl crisis. And I know that this doesn't get clicks, but the point is, the reason why this has become an issue, the cartels and the fentanyl crisis. And I know that this doesn't get clicks, but the point is, the reason why this has become an issue, the cartels and the fentanyl, is because so many, tens of thousands of people are dying on an annual basis. And in-

More than that. More than that, yeah, yeah. Okay, if we're talking in the context, right? So in COVID actually, in Canada, in BC, which is the West Coast, you know, the province that Vancouver is in. British Columbia?

Yes. Good job. You could be basically Canadian. Four and a half cold stuff. Welcome over. So this is basically where the cartel started their operations, and that's because we have the port of Vancouver. And now if you want to accurate less than 1% number less than one of less than 1% of all cargo that's coming into the port of Vancouver is searched. Yep. Let that sink in.

Everyone less than 1% How's that even? I mean, it's a port. It's got customs there. How do we how do we know that number? Because it's a legit number. Find it. Source port. Yeah customs there. Mm-hmm. How do we how do we know that number because it's a legit number Find it source it. Yeah, let's do that. I believe it So the and if I'm wrong delete that but I swear important port of Vancouver to Vancouver 1% of cargo how much how much percentage of cargo is being searched? Do we know what's causing that incompetency at all? Or just, yeah, there it is. They claim it cannot be confirmed or denied.

Well, I'm confirming it. While the search results discuss, that doesn't say you're wrong. Discussed Port of Vancouver operations, cargo statistics, and drug seizures. They do not include the overall cargo search rate. The Canada Border Systems Agency performs customs exams on shipments often based on algorithms and risk factors." All right, so they're already dumbing it down and saying like, all right, we're only going to check these ones.

Yeah. But it is less than 1% because I discussed this number with my organized crime law enforcement guy, and he's like, yes. And he gave me 100% yes. It's less than 1%. And it makes perfect sense. Because if you have that many people dying of fentanyl, so this is what I was getting to, is that during COVID,

more people were dying of fentanyl overdose deaths than they were of COVID, to the point where the provincial health officer of British Columbia cried during one of her press conferences because of the sheer amount of people that were dying due to fentanyl. Oh, look at that. CBS used to work there. Everyone gives me shit for that, but I'm independent now.

Don't worry. BC Mayor sounds alarm over rampant crime at local port as expansion looms. That's from two years ago. Report says CBSA checks less than 1% of container traffic coming to regional. Yep. There you go. Yeah. So one thing I'm not as a liar.

Anyway, you can call me whatever you want, But not that you're not a liar. I know that. So working hard. I got it. Thank you. Anyways, so yeah, this is like a huge problem. And the Canadian government was truly not doing anything to crack down about it, even though that we knew this was a fucking crisis, right? because you have people dying at this rate There should be some sort of swift and immediate crazy response I mean we can't talk here in America either because we had this all fucked and we still have it all fucked up as well I mean we have we have literal cities like Kensington and I forget the one out in San Francisco what it's called you would know There's one there's one Like Kensington, I forget the one out in San Francisco, what it's called, do you know what it's called? You would know. Wait, what?

What's the fentanyl crisis area in San Fran? In San Francisco. You're from the Bay Area? Yeah, I just heard it for the first time myself the other day. I can't even remember it. Actually, no, I honestly don't know. That's okay. There's something that's like a Kensington.

But like, we have these throughout America as well. The problem is the slap in the face that comes with, yeah, it's a problem everywhere, which is why everyone's trying to crack down on this shit the problem lies within the fact that Canada did nothing until Trump was threatening tariffs and to shut down the border and then okay Now we're gonna implement a fentanyl czar. Okay. Now we're gonna look at our border not because Thousands of Canadians were dying from this deadly opioid. It's politics. Yeah, that's bullshit.

It's total bullshit. It's bullshit. And then they make this guy, the fentanyl's are, make me the fentanyl's are for fuck's sakes. You guys were denying for the longest time. No, I'm not even joking about this because you guys were denying for the longest time. When I was first doing the reporting on cartels in Canada and the production of fentanyl domestically and I was reaching out to RCMP and I'm trying to get information, I'm literally police tell me to my face if we would if we if this was really happening we would know about it

There's no cartels. We don't have any Cases to use as examples for you to tell you that we have made arrests or shut down fentanyl labs in connection with Mexican Cartels why not because it doesn't exist but because they're not gathering that data. Yeah, you've been there. I mean, it's so crazy. I literally wanted to say, well, I'm going there tomorrow. You wanna come with?

No, but I'm not a fucking narc, but it's so funny, because I get the response, the press response, and it's like, well, no, there's no cartels, no. And I'm like, well, I have this Mexican guy from Sinaloa who's literally like, yeah, I'll come show you the fentanyl production tomorrow. Now, how again are the cartel guys getting,

so I would imagine some of them are maybe literally coming through the port of Vancouver, but are a lot of them- No, they're flying, they were flying. So they're flying. It was no problem. They're flying from Mexico to Canada, no problem. It was no problem. They were, because of the visa requirement.

But that, now there is a visa requirement It just got re-implemented. I want to say a little over a year ago And so now there's there's more checks and balances. It'll be a little bit harder because they want to know Okay, what are you coming for? How much money do you have on you? They have to check you before you even get on that flight so But for the longest time it it was no problem. And also because Canada was beers and hockey, nobody thought that the cartels were going to move their operations up north. That's exactly the perfect fucking like recipe for that. Yeah, for that to happen. I would

have done the same. Yeah, it's genius business model. So yeah, we have to stop like it's so easy to just be like all these criminals and these criminal organizations, but like You know, you don't want to give them credit because they're terrible people but I give them credit They're fucking smart. They know what they're doing. They run it like a fortune 500 Yes, and it's international and I'm not being a spokesperson for the cartels being like, who, raw, look at how they go, and my reporting reflects that. Oh, I know. Thanks.

But you can certainly say, yeah, they're fucking killing it, literally. Sorry. That got dark fast. Yeah, but you appreciate that, so it's okay, I can be like that. Yeah. So yeah, the Canadian thing is a major problem,

and I'll keep reporting on it, because I personally think it's just gonna continue to get worse because The southern border at this point. Well the border your guys's borders are says that it's 96% locked down, which Tom Homan saying is a 96% locked down. Yeah That's what I said I said sorry, sorry, I'm yelling into it. You're good. I said, how do you even quantify that? But I guess you can, like by seizures and stuff. But let's be so for real, if that El Paso tunnel, which, can you guys pull that up?

You didn't pull that up. The El Paso tunnel, I think we did, but you got off it. Sorry. Yep. Okay, so let's take a look at this. HSI El Paso, federal partners discovered major cross border. January 14th. Okay, special agents with Homeland

Security Investigations El Paso along the U.S. border uncovered a sophisticated cross-border tunnel on January 8th. HSI El Paso is leading the investigation to prosecute those responsible. Show the tunnel. Upon excavation of the smuggling tunnel, it has been determined that the tunnel extends under the United States-Mexico border into the Boone Street storm drain in the El Paso area approximately four feet across and six feet in height. The tunnel is held up by two by four wood beams and is equipped with electricity, ventilation system and appears to be constructed within the last year. HSI El Paso is working closely with HSI Juarez, they seem like real straight shooters, who is coordinating with the government in Mexico

to ensure the man-made tunnel from El Paso, they're probably coordinating with the fucking capital of the cartel. Like, yeah, no, no, no, we got this amigo. We'll supply the ventilation supplies, but show the tunnel, there's an inside picture. Try to find an inside picture of it, cause it looks insane.

Yeah, that's outside right there. So El Paso Tunnel inside. I remember seeing, I feel like I saw this. I hope I'm thinking of the right one. Remember when El Chapo got out of prison and they showed like the, The tunnel. Was that, they showed the motorcycle with the,

it was like the motorcycle tracks and rail. Yes, and like, because he did it through under the jail. And he had a ventilation system. He had and also like like love service. They had cuz they had legit what white glove service. Oh, yeah He had legit architects building that for him. Oh, but he did. Yeah, obviously. Yeah. Oh, there you go. That's it Whoa, look, is that the one on the right side? You're looking for that's the one make it big It's like a fucking Hamas tunnel Do we have it view all photos, okay, that's the answer that's how you go there look at that Is that the van? Oh, yeah, look at yes

And then you're telling me it's 96% secured. Yeah, no shot No, he looks like he's having the toughest day at all times. Like Tom Homan, he just looks tired. Okay, we don't go for people. He looks like he's been in a bad marriage. I don't know who his wife is, but he looks like he's a dude who's been stuck in a bad marriage for like 30 years.

Can you bring him up with his wife, please? So we can talk shit. I don't think, he's just always like, we're gonna stop the crime coming across the poor earth. And if you're breaking into this country, you're going out. That's it. You're going to El Salvador.

That's it, El Salvador. All right, so this, you were bringing this up because this one was in El Paso and they, what were they smuggling? Drugs and people. And people. Yeah. Humans smuggling drugs and people and people. Yeah. Humans.

What is that children? Yeah, it's anything. There's a huge problem with any unaccompanied minors illegally crossing the border on a company. I mean, they're just coming with a coyote. Yes. Just, just imagine, like, I don't want to talk about it. Cause I don't like this shit, but just imagine like what that can lead to. Oh, it's horrible. Literally, actually Jorge did this crazy report on how there was this little girl,

she was I think 10 years old alone, all she had was like a phone number and they called that phone number because like the group that she was with and the coyote got picked up by ICE I think, and then, or CBP, and then they called that phone number and the mom was like freaking out, like hoping that the daughter was just still alive, I think, or CBP. And then they called that phone number, and the mom was freaking out, hoping that the daughter was just still alive,

just hoping for the best. I mean, I don't have kids, but if I did, there's no way. I don't even think any level of desperation, but I also don't want to say that because I don't know. But that's just absolute, that's child abuse. And so they're going through those tunnels, but then allegedly it's 96% secure. But I don't even know how you would quantify that.

To me, that number is the same number as like less than 1% of fentanyl in the States is coming from Canada. I just don't buy it. Because I've seen it. You can't fix that. I'm sorry, it's been what, five months, six months, whatever, you can't fix a completely open

however many thousands of miles of this border. Which is the fact that we had. Which one? the southern border. Oh yeah, it's like 2000 something. You're not fixing like an entire broken system. Across four states? Be so for real. No, no, that's not.

That's vast. It is vast. And desert? Yeah, no, no, no, seriously. Desert, dry. Yeah. No, no, no, no, that's desert dry. Yeah, and like you had you you have you have Valleys and rivers and all this shit and you have a system that's been in place With these cartels knowing where to go and how to get people there and it's not like you can just have like a line

like, you know holding hands of like Homeland security people or border patrol no standing at the border. It's not how it works. And then also on the Mexican side, the president, Claudia Shinbaum, deployed additional couple thousand troops to the Mexican side of the border because that also, as Trump came into office, became a priority for her, for the bilateral actions to lock down the border.

What happened? They had talks Trump was gonna put tariffs on. Yeah, and he did it anyways. He did it, but then he pulled them off. Then he pulled them off. It was like, that was a crazy news day for me. Yeah, what happened there again? It was like one day, I think it was, okay, he said,

I'm gonna put tariffs on if they don't lock down the border. She deploys an additional, I think 11,000 troops, something like that. Something like that. Yeah, deploys, yeah. But then 10,000. But then I think she increased that. And then- This is February 6th. Yeah, so then he says, whatever, she does that.

He's, I'm gonna do tariffs, lock it down. She does what she does that. He's, I'm going to do tariffs. Lock it down. She does what she can to lock it down, I guess. And then he puts tariffs. And then she's like, I'm going to respond to the tariffs on Sunday. And I think that gave like a couple days in between when he put the tariffs on and when she was going to respond to it.

In that time, he ended up rescinding the tariffs. That sounds so complicated. I'm sorry. That was also a crazy work week for me. It was like, boom, boom, boom, radio hits. And so then he took the tariffs off. I don't even know where we're in the state. What is it right now? Do we have tariffs or not? The tariffs thing is happening in so many countries at the same time. It's so confusing. And some are on, some are off. It's like, I'm almost just watching the stock market and saying, well, I guess we have less up today, you know? Like if it's up.

It's a crazy ride. Yeah. And so a lot of Mexican people were obviously pissed because then it was like, well, I'm speaking on behalf of a Mexican population here, but I was seeing a lot of the rhetoric and speaking to a lot of people and and They Mexican government did kind of do their part in trying to lock down the border in my opinion

they did more than Canada did in locking down the border and Mexico yeah, and I think that's why Trump was like he was attacking Canada a lot more than he was attacking Mexico with the whole like what was he saying that Canada is gonna become another state and so but he But he wasn't saying that about Mexico and I think I mean, you know take all of that type of shit with the grain of Salt, but at the end of the day, I really do think it was because Especially now cash Patel is saying it publicly But they knew or at least they were looking for that issue that was happening with the trafficking

at the northern border. And so when Claudia Sheenbaum took the efforts to try to lock down, help with those bilateral efforts to lock down that southern border, it was like American, like federal administration could be like, okay, this is happening and Well now borders are saying it's working Locked down you might have changed the five to a nine. Yeah, I'd say like give or take right give or take

but in Canada remains a large problem and I don't think it's gonna stop just because Honestly, and this is what even my law enforcement sources tell me, Canadian law enforcement, you don't need a source to believe this, just doesn't have the resources to deal with something of this nature. And recently- It's also new to them.

But it's not. No, but I mean, like it's not, this isn't built 50, 60 years into their law enforcement background. Like this is something really over probably the last decade. Yes. And also it was kind of, I almost felt like their reactions to this, especially if you look at like recent seizure reports, it almost seems like they want to kind of ignore the

problem and see if it just kind of dies down on its owner. The world doesn't notice. Good strategy. Right? That'll work out. And so one thing that really stood out to me when I, I knew it was a problem over this past year because I've been like really focused on it, but about a month ago, a bunch of WhatsApp group chats for certain cartels were leaked recruitment group chats

And I had actually gotten into some cartel. They let you in it. Well, they didn't fucking know was me Julian Sorry, that was so aggressive Continue I got into some WhatsApp cartel recruitment group chats and poses like a 16 year old boy. I'm not telling you who I posed as. I'm just saying maybe you did. You know what let me tell you exactly how I did it right now. Yeah they're not gonna guess what you were at home. You want to get in? Yeah go subscribe to my sub stack. That's next baby. So basically it was in these tell me why in one of the group chats that I was in, and in some of the leaked chats, right away, first thing that stood out to me,

Canadian area codes were in those group chats. And then, okay, so I clocked that, right? Holy fuck, there's Canadians, I don't know if they're Mexican Canadians, people on the ground, Mexican nationals living in Canada, I don't know. There are Canadians, though, or people with Canadian phone numbers

who are trying to be recruited into Mexican cartels. And I'm like, no fucking way. But okay. So a little bit of time passes by, a few weeks go by. I have a guy tell me and show me that he was offered $55,000 to take out hits in Canada for the cartels. Yes. And I'm like, you're this is exactly the type of motherfucker that's in those group chats. Yeah. And he's Canadian as fuck from the East Coast. Born and raised,

lived in Colombia for a little while, then made his way to Mexico and keep in mind that- Oh, he lived in Columbia. You got indoctrinated. Yeah. Well, also, like, Mexican drug cartels have so many ties in Columbia. Oh, sure. So, you go to Columbia, you're basically in direct contact with the cartels.

And then you go to Mexico, and then you go back to Canada, Quebec. I'm gonna burn it. I'm gonna say, he went back to Quebec. Because I'm gonna, Quebec, I'm gonna burn it. I'm gonna say he went back to Quebec because I'm gonna like one thing is for sure, a lot of in Canada, a lot of the fentanyl production and precursor trafficking is happening on the West Coast. On the East Coast, it's where they're hiring,

directly hiring Canadian nationals to work for them as enforcers, whether that's like hit men or- Why on the East Coast? I don't know, but that's just how they're doing it. I haven't asked yet, but all their Distribution stuff is happening on the West Coast. Yeah. Yeah, but they want to have control across the board But keep in mind because we have the port of Vancouver So that's where that that fentanyl precursor stuff is gonna come in. But then of course you have people it's going both ways It's going across the board

but the main things that are happening on the East Coast are hiring these people and It's going both ways, it's going across the board. But the main things that are happening on the East Coast are hiring these people, and also this leads into the why, is because most of the straw buying, so arms trafficking of guns from the US into Canada is happening at the East Coast, because right there you have Michigan and New York. So.

That makes sense. Yeah, so because also for viewer understanding, we have really strict gun policy in Canada. So straw buying is happening in Canada the same way it's happening in Mexico. You have Americans that are bringing in American manufactured arms into Canada and into Mexico. And we know this is a fact.

We know that American guns are arming the cartels because over 70% of arms that are found at Mexican crime scenes are American made and The Mexican government actually just lost a Supreme Court case against American manufacturers to be able to sue them for arming the cartels directly Now does some of this go back? I mean obviously like the famous one is like Operation Fast and Furious and stuff. Yes Yeah, so does it go back to that but also other? Traceable covert operations that maybe we don't know about?

Likely. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. And so- I'd be pissed about that down there. You kidding me? Fuck yeah. But then people say, you know,

well, it's the job of like Mexican border authorities to make sure those guns aren't coming through. Yeah, but fuck that. If we're doing it, that's wrong. Huh. No, it is. I didn't think you'd have that take. Of course I'd have that take. I think I'd... Listen, we do some fucked up shit sometimes.

And like, now here's the thing. I understand like with national security, sometimes there's like a bigger picture. Yeah. And you got to crack a few eggs to make an omelet. But there's just some stuff where it doesn't go down right with me when you see, I don't give a fuck where it is, whether it's here or somewhere else, where you see innocent women and kids get caught in the middle of it, you know? Like, and that's my taxpayer money going to that.

And I do feel a certain type of way about that. Yeah, so That's that's basically across the board Canada has a major issue They have a ton of cartels and I was gonna say and so does Mexico. Yeah, no shit Like trying to close that thought now. Here's what's interesting Yeah, since you were last here Trump got reelected, he got into office and they declared a terrorism designation on the court terrorist organizations. Say so now cartels are basically the same as ISIS, Al Qaeda, Taliban, whatever name it. So before we go to Mexico with that and how that works, if the cartels are operating in Canada a country on our north border that we have a friendly relationship with on a lot of stuff

Mm-hmm. How does our terrorism policy apply to us litigating that? Potentially in Canada. Well, Canada followed suit and declared them FTOs right after the US did oh Yeah, so that changes the game a bit the one thing is though I'm fairly certain that I don't think any or associates in Canada are going to actually be charged as for that's what I'm saying They can't you were just telling me they can't even handle it at a law enforcement Yeah, but they're doing governments gonna handle it at a military terrorism level so for real right yeah and then actually the US just charged the first person under this act a

Woman in El Paso this was like three weeks ago two weeks ago a woman on El Paso, this was like three weeks ago, two weeks ago, a woman on El Paso who was straw buying and had conspiracy to traffic for the Jalisco Degeneration Cartel. She's the first person now who's been charged as like a, like, I think it's with, no, it's like material to aid, here, yeah, because it's a little bit like court talk, lots of jargon.

Mexican woman indicted in El Paso on reportedly providing grenades Fire Why are you guys acting surprised cartels and an indictment unsealed on Friday if we scroll down deep? You know Paso is the first in the nation to charge a Mexican national with providing material support to a designated foreign terrorist Organization based on her involvement with the Cartel del Jalisco The Jalisco Nueva Generación Right including providing the cartel with grenades and engaging in smuggling firearms trafficking both cash smuggling and narcotics Trafficking on its behalf according to court documents Maria del Rosario Navarro Sanchez

39 of Mexico No, I will not sign up for that Maria del Rosario, Navarro Sanchez, 39th of Mexico. No, I will not sign up for that. Conspired with others to provide and did not attempt to provide grenades. Did attempt. Did attempt to provide grenades to CJNG, a designated foreign terrorist organization.

You're like those kids in school. Remember when the teacher would randomly call on you to read and when that one kid would go, you're like, fuck. No, it's like stutters over here. Jesus, pick me instead. I'll read the whole fucking book if you want. You're lucky it's late. I'm letting you get away with all these.

It's been a long day. You deserve it. No one gives you shit, so it's good. No one gives me shit? Who gives you shit? Oh, you should. On the show? You should read the internet. On the show? Yeah, sure.

All the time we bullshit. Beat them up. That's what we do, back and forth. That's fun. I like I like it go after you on their ass. That's right I'll bet you what you're tough. You're definitely tough, but you have to be to do what you do Yeah, like to like you I'm gonna have you gotta have brass balls Thank you 22 when you know I know but like when I started went to do it Yeah, and be like, you know, I'm gonna go move down to Sinaloa And cover the cartels like that. I also didn't live in Sinaloa. Whatever you went down to Mexico and you're covering I mean, let's call it what it is. Like the worst of the worst basically

Mm-hmm takes a lot of guts. Yeah, but it's like, you know, I still have fear sometimes But we just overcome it for the sake of free press and telling a good Story making sure people's voices are heard It's good attitude to have I like it. Yeah, so but on on the terrorism designation, what is the strategy? Like this was a national who was arrested no pass. Okay, that makes sense. She's in America easy you pick her up She has grenades cool On the other side of the border though. there's a sovereign government that runs that country. And now there's groups in there that our government has said they're terrorists.

Are we gonna like start drone striking them in the hills of Sinaloa? Not yet. You know, how's this working and what's been the reaction of Mexico to it? Okay, first of all, the strategy is to attack the financial pipelines and the assets that are based in America, because most of these people who are associated with or operating for the cartels have most of their money in the United States through shell companies, properties, whatever you name it, like laundering money through the US.

So if they can't clean their money, they don't have money. And if you target the financial pipeline of the cartels, that's immediately how you dismantle them. Well, in my opinion, it's like the, objectively, it's actually, it's the way you dismantle a criminal organization. No money, no power. So that's the objective of this.

It's not necessarily like the drone strikes and getting tier one operators boots on the ground, let's fuck them up. However, it could potentially be getting to that point. Why? And this also leads into your next question about the Mexican reaction. There has been this kind of covert bilateral operations

that have been going on between, uh, U.S. law enforcement and Mexican authorities. So, just a few weeks ago, for example, ICE tweeted about three fentanyl lab raids in Sinaloa. And the picture, it's Mexican forces, but for some reason, I guess it was because ICE tweeted it and the way they looked, I think someone had an American flag patch,

something like that. People were like, holy fuck, there's American boots on the ground conducting these operations in Mexico. And people freaked out, and ICE clarified, and they were like, no, between American intelligence and Mexican authorities, we conducted this operation together. And so there are also, yeah, so that's actually the photo.

You want me to read this tweet? You don't have, well, I kind of explained it already. But yeah, so you can see it's, ISHSI has been working closely with FGR, AIC, Sedena, and Marina to identify drug precursor shipments from China and take out drug production labs by the cartels in Mexico. This was particularly in Sinaloa Yeah, you see three large scale synthetic labs were seized or yeah shut down and then this photo First like this tweet for some reason led to some sort of well, it wasn't actually this tweet. This is the clarification

I don't even think the original is up anymore. It led to some sort of weird I don't even think the original was up anymore. It led to some sort of weird confusion of people thinking that, oh my God, US boots are on the ground here. Like, let's go, war zone. But I find that between that operation, between all of the CIA planes flying over, they have Mexico's permission,

over northern Mexican states. Wait, CIA planes are flying over northern Mexican states? We can track them right now. Openly right now? Yep, you can literally watch them live. I mean, obviously we know the CIA is all over Mexico. I just don't hear about them like announcing their fucking flight plans.

It's definitely like a, hey, look at what we're doing. But obviously it's open enough that we're talking about it on our fucking podcast. No, but that's what I'm saying. It's like, hey, look at this, we're being open about it. What the fuck else is going on? Then they docked this like major military vessel at the port, we're being open about it. Uh... What the fuck else is going on? Then they dock this, like, major military vessel at the port of Veracruz in Mexico.

And it was just like all of this stuff was happening at once that I do believe in. I talked about this at the beginning of the FTO designation, but now it's like it's slowly leading into that, hey, American boots could eventually get on the ground in Mexico. And I'm not trying to fear monger sensationalize this. It just appears that way based on the current way they're running operations to dismantle the cartels or attempt to.

Hmm. Also, this certainly started like this started before Trump. I mean, you know, we always talk about we could talk about fucking CIA and cartels all day long. Oh my God. It's it's but we're not getting into that. It's like as American as apple pie. Truly and as American as Cracker Barrel, which we love by the way. Have you seen my episodes of Matt Hedger? No, I

don't watch any of your episodes. Boring. I'm glad. Kidding. But I had him on for 275 and 290 and the only reason he can talk publicly is Because a foreign intelligence organization Outed his cell there was a leak and they outed him on the dark web a year and a half ago And he actually had to be pulled and he can't go to a lot of countries anymore But he was a CIA knock where his job meaning non-official cover His job was to be an international criminal, a money launderer, and he ended up getting into the cartels

as one of their chief money launderers, and he was the guy who flipped a, he couldn't say which bank, but a top 10 bank and a top 10 banker at that bank. A normal guy. Flipped him to start money laundering for the cartels. And point being, he's one example that we get to hear from flipped them to start money laundering for the cartels and Point being He's one example that we get to hear from who's like a piece on the chessboard on this huge board that has a lot

Of moving pieces on all different shit around the world, but he's one piece we get to hear from the show that it's like You know whether you agree with it or not as a whole different question But the CIA and other organizations as well, espionage organizations around the world are willing to use organizations like the cartels, not stop them, not investigate them, not doing anything to them, literally leverage them to get to be access points for other things related to national security. For sure. And it's like, holy fuck, the moral implications like holy fuck the moral implications. It's fucked

It's fucked. I know I agree and that's like that's a big thing too with what we're seeing right now in Sinaloa Oh and my yo a leader of one of the factions of the Sinaloa cartel Somehow ends up in the in the US now. He's you know facing trial or whatever it is and Do you have any have you heard some new information there? No, it's where that's it. So bizarre. I know yeah It's so under wraps it's so under wraps and then it gets it just keeps getting weirder because then they get him over there and then Okay, it's like a whole fucking Hydra here because they get him over there And then there's all this in-fighting and you slowly

are seeing or have seen the Sinaloa cartel dismantling itself and then... Wait, it's dismantling itself because of this? Okay, wait. Yeah. And then, Halesco cartel, the new generation cartel is like... You're on one today. It's funny. Is that bad? No, no. She's been saying that. It's good. You're on one today. She says is that bad no no she's been saying that she says I'm like cracked out you're like ready to go you're doing good yeah I know you're doing good

I'm playing I'm playing too lately I don't know it's like I'm trying to like I'm getting it all out but everyone lately thinks I'm on drugs like on all the dispatches and they're definitely gonna think I'm on one on your podcast they think you're on no no no no because of my jaw because my jaw's crooked so people are like she's definitely rolling on Molly or she like Popped a perk. No, no, that's not what I mean Oh, yeah, can see I mean I have an internalized attitudes turned on like bitch I'm talking let's go and you fucking interrupted it Okay Sorry, I just had to make that point. I don't do drugs. Okay, so

Yeah, it's like a hyd, because basically what happens is they get all my... Okay, fuck, laugh it out. Let it out, guys. We're good. I love funny men. Okay. It was a Hydra? Yeah.

That's what you were saying. So basically they get all my own to the States. The Sinaloa Cartel is like there's so much in Fighting it's they they're literally like we'll label them inactive like they're just dismantling themselves next thing, you know a Jalisco cartel is obviously they've been powerful since their initiation like 2010. They're one of the most violent I think the DA actually calls them one of the most violent and expansionist cartels ever and Because they have just managed to get garner so much power across all 32 states in Mexico.

And so then you hear that, oh, CJ&G is actually going to align with the Chapitos faction of the cartel. Next thing you know, family members of El Chapo end up crossing the TJ San Diego border and now have visas in the US and can stay there because they need to be safe. Yes, this just happened. Pull it up. Yeah, no, I'm not looking at you like I don't believe you. I'm just like, holy shit. It's crazy. How close are these family members? Like cousins? Yeah, cousins, aunts, whatever. Who were a part of the organization? Well, allegedly not. They're just a big...

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I believe you. Let's be fucking for real. Yeah, so anyways, this happened. So now you got them in the States. Now you have his son facing, Ovidio now has a plea deal. So we got this article right up.

17 members of a cartel kingpin's family were escorted into California from Mexico. Why? Okay, so Mexico's security chief confirmed reports that this is May 13, 2025. Yeah, just now. Yep. Confirmed reports that relatives of drug kingpin Joaquin El Chapo Guzman were allowed to enter San Diego. Mexican President Claudia Scheinbaum complained that. authorities had failed to notify their Mexican counterparts about the operation.

Yes. The pillars of the Trump administration's policy towards Mexico involve large-scale deportations and crackdown on cartels, but reports in the Mexican media suggest the U.S. authorities recently orchestrated the secret cross-border move of at least 17 relatives of Mexico's most notorious drug kingpin Joaquin El Chapo Guzman, co-founder of the Sinaloa Cartel, to California. On Wednesday, Mexican President Scheinbaum, clearly frustrated, said U.S. authorities had — oh, I'd be pissed if I were her too — had failed to notify their Mexican counterparts of what appeared to be a highly choreographed operation by

Washington to transport the drug lord's extended family across the border from Tijuana to San Diego. We are doing our work to fight drug trafficking, Scheinbaum said. The issue is what information is out there and how do they explain this? This has, they have to give information. Various social media sites have circulated images purporting to show El Chapo's kin lugging rolling suitcases. They waited to enter the United States last week at the San Ysitro border crossing connecting Tijuana and San Diego in a radio interview Tuesday Omar Garcia Harfuch Mexico's security chief confirmed that the move took place imagine this call from like Trump to home and like listen

we're gonna let him in he was pissed that's why he's always fucking stressing yeah he's like I just said the border's 96% secure. Sir, we can't let El Chapo in. No, no, no, it's not El Chapo. It's his family. There's kids, there's women and children. It's bitter. That's, so there has to be, that's what I mean.

That has to be a part of like a, you know. Oh, it's a plea deal thing. Of course. Yeah, so then you have, so wait, hold on. Why did we get to this? Because, wait, what was the whole point of me? The video? No, wait, stop.

There was a reason why I was explaining every single thing that's happened. So yeah, basically, because it was that, and then this happened, and now, I forgot my point. You were talking, you started with the Hydra a while ago? Yeah. Cause you were basically saying how like essentially CG and G has like, Oh, cause we were talking about CIA stuff. Thank you. Yeah. But then you were also saying, you were also saying how like the chapitos are like not doing. Yeah. So we talk about

this whole like CIA thing, right? About how you said, Oh, not doing... Yeah. So we talk about this whole, like, CIA thing, right? About how you said, oh, they try, you have to crack a few eggs to get, leave out shells or what, yeah. What'd you say? To have, leave the shells? It was tough. Sorry. I'm not good with, like, idioms like that. So I usually just make them up.

So anyways, um, yeah, you talk about that whole like CIA thing. This could be like a great example of that because now you basically have one cartel controlling all of Mexico and you can use that to your advantage. Um, a cartel controlling all of Mexico that is one of the most violent cartels in history, I would say next to like the set thus and then a kingpin and mental who is completely under the radar. Yeah, Johnny was talking about him the other day like that guys and people are like dead or alive dead or alive obviously alive. Yes. Definitely sick. Do you think he's

another one? This is total speculation. I'm not asking you on like a reporting basis and having actual information. But do you think it's possible that's another one who could be propped up? Like an El Mayo was propped up meaning like he's allowed to exist by intelligence organizations. Honestly, I don't like I don't want to get into like the conspiracy of it because I don't like that. That's not how I do my reporting but just based on the nature of how all of this is happening If that were the case, it would not surprise me. Like I wouldn't be like, holy shit. Yeah I'm not saying whether I think that is or not the case. It's just a matter of they have gained so much fucking power and

It's just a matter of they have gained so much fucking power and control, and the way that C.J. and G. is operating is so next level compared to even like previous and current cartels. It wouldn't surprise me. I think what we've also learned though, looking at the past seven, eight years, I guess, starting with El Chapo and now seeing El Mayo.

The whole like kingpin strategy. Does not work. At all. Zero. It creates a vacuum. Even if that cartel that you take the kingpin out. It creates a hydra. Right.

If that cartel, like let's say in this case, Sinelowa, gets hurt and loses a lot of influence because you took out your kingpin, one of the other cartels comes in and just takes up all the power. It's the same shit. Yeah, even if we do your kingpin, one of the other cartels comes in and just takes up all the power. It's the same shit. Yeah, even if we do like kingpin strategy where it's like, okay, let's turn them all

against each other and have them knock themselves out, they're not going to seize to fucking exist. And we know that when you fragment the cartels, they all start to become part of the existing powerful cartel, which makes that cartel even more powerful because now they have more national control across the republic and internationally. So how do you take them out? Okay, I have two reasons how to or two ways how to take them out.

I start this out at night. I see you like every night like I do like a man charge make me the border So so basically well, okay, I obviously pretext here Not like I'm not an expert and I obviously don't know if this would work or whatever But I think that the main ways to literally end the cartels or at least weaken them would be to target Mainly and first and foremost, their financial pipelines. Like you really have to crack down on the assets, seizures,

like freezing bank accounts, everything, making sure that there is no way for them to launder money, making sure, you know, they can't even use remittance apps, they can't use cryptocurrency. Remittance, oh, all right, right, right, right. Yeah, to actually move this money around and launder it. Neither of those things can happen. Second, you need to completely destabilize

their team efforts, recruitment. You need to stop the propaganda because- They're using like TikTok and shit, right? We could pull some up right now. Well, I don't know about that. Yeah, we don't wanna put, we'll get demonetized. No, yeah, and I'll- So-

Yeah. We laugh and we, so. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We laugh and we cry later. Yeah. So, the propaganda's a huge one because they've infiltrated every single aspect of Mexican and international culture.

I mean, you have the narco corridos, the corridos tumbados trending on Apple charts in Mexico, but also in the US. So if you have this kind of music that's basically being like, yeah, El Mencho's my number one dog and four letters until the day I die and let's fucking go and get the scar

and da da da da da, and you got a good beat behind it, I mean, I'm gonna listen to it while I do my makeup, but I'm not gonna go and be like, oh, this sounds great, let me go join the fucking cartel. But you do have a lot of young and impressionable and vulnerable people who are listening to that

and thinking, I want this lifestyle. So then what are you doing? You're promoting this sense of, we have a community and you wanna be a part of it, then you can feel validated and you can be a tough guy too and be strapped up and be cool as fuck and make a ton of money just like us. If you end that propaganda,

you end that sense of validation in the organized crime world, people won't want to be recruited. Like, if they don't have that propaganda. I mean, some will, but it takes away a huge part of it. And if you don't have money, and if you don't have people, what the fuck do you have? Fentanyl precursors great do what? Right, but right now it's effective because the economic opportunity and they see the people who carry the gun

You have power and they got the money and they're like first you get the money then you get the power and you get the benefits like Yes, then you get the women. Yeah, exactly right when you get Michelle Pfeiffer in a green dress coming down to elevator See you already know. Like, that's, when you're a 15, 16 year old impressionable kid, and when you've grown up in areas where this is the norm. And everyone around you is doing it.

And you don't even have the resources to do anything else. Then what are you gonna do? That. It's like, you have to... No Frills delivers. Get groceries delivered to your door from No Frills with PC Express. Shop online and get $15 in PC optimum points on your first five orders. Shop now at nofrills.ca.

And I hear you, of course, take out the financial pipelines. We got to talk about some of the other ways They're creatively making money right now, by the way Oh, yeah, we'll get into that crude oil all that shit that love the crazy but like yes break that all down Yes, try to take out a bunch of big guys and not allow a vacuum to come in. Good luck with that though You are still gonna have the problem though of kids who have only known this environment and that's still their only opportunity So if things get tougher, they're gonna be like, well, it's better in the alternative. Yeah, but I think we talked about this last time

is that it's nowadays not just like in like the 90s and early 2000s where it was mostly like low income kids who were growing up around this and wanted to be a part of something and needed money that were getting into it. Now you are seeing kids coming from wealthy families with resources that wanna be a part of it to be a part of something and needed money that we're getting into it. Now you are seeing kids coming from wealthy families with resources that wanna be a part of it to be cool. And we did actually talk about that last time.

You have the, are they called the chiquinarcos? Chiquinarcos? Chiquinarcos. I think that's what they call, I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure. How do you call that? C-H-I-K-I or Q-E-I. Oh, chiquinarcos, okay. Chiquinarcos.

I'm pretty sure that's what they call like the kids who come from money and want to join the cartels. I could be wrong Yeah, but either way that's anyways strange. That's just like for this us. Yeah It's just like what for a sauce like the rich kids of Mexico. Yeah That's what I like the crappy But I'm talking particularly about the people who come from like they don't need to do this But they want to be a part of it because it's cool and we see that like it's happened a lot in Culiacan and Sinaloa Where you know, you want you want to be tough. You want to be a part of this group? I mean, that's like how it is with any sort of gang

anywhere around the world, but You were saying something that let me know no I all I was saying is is on the recruitment like it's gonna take one or two full generation for sure to get rid like and of perfection of cracking down think of all the political turnover in our country Mexico and all these other well this is like in an ideal world. Exactly. And also like attacking all of the financial pipelines would just, it's like virtually

impossible, because also they adapt as authorities move. So they would just find new and better, more improved ways that the government has no idea or maybe they have an idea but they don't know how to tackle What are what are all the ways? All the ways the cartels are making money right now obviously drugs the Human obviously human smuggling duh they're doing the crude oil thing Yes, before we get to that are there a bunch they're also agriculture Like prostitutes like pimping how do you call that like when you're prostitution prostitution like so

gambling they do that to the casinos yeah and then auto automobile parts and like yeah car industry because that's also huge in Mexico loan sharking probably yeah that too I mean the list could go on right we it's a long list it's a long list. It's a long list. It's a lot of things. They basically have their hands in it, anything that makes money.

They also have legitimate businesses too, that they invest in because, you know, am I not? Of course, I would do that too. Yeah, Mexican cartels. Oh yeah, we talked about this last time, the avocado. Yeah, the Super Bowl. Every time I look at an avocado now, I'm like. Every time you eat an avocado, you tell me. I know. He's like, just got an avocado now, I'm like every time you eat an avocado you tell me I know

He's like just got an avocado thinking of you in the cartels that's happened a couple times Yeah, crude oil smuggling has emerged as a significant revenue source for cartels like CJNG Sinaloa and Gulf cartel who have been implicated in stealing I want to talk about golf cartel later to remember remember that, who've been implicated in stealing oil from Petrolios Mexicanos Pemex. This stolen oil crosses the US Southwest border finding its way into the hands of small US based oil companies.

So Johnny was telling me about this for the first time. And like, they literally, like there was one, they arrested like a Mormon family for doing 2,800 trips of stolen oil for like $300 fucking million or something. Yeah, I mean, if I was Mormon, what else? What the fuck? Got nothing better to do. Like, this is huge.

They're making, I mean, it looks like they're making billions of dollars from this. Yeah, it's like more than $3 billion a year. Oh my God. It's like, after human smuggling and drug trafficking. It's their highest stream of revenue and They're literally new is this it's not new at all. Yeah, it's been a thing

Yeah, it's certainly been a thing and we've seen a lot of tragedies happen across Mexico where The same pipeline that's been tapped into illegally too many times explodes and just devastates an entire town and people are suffering from lifelong burns or like fatal. And a lot we've known National Guard, local police are paid off so that they can run these operations and they're basically well actually three alleged members of CG&G were just sanctioned by the US for running a major crude oil Fraud I guess you would call it where they were

Yeah, yeah, it just happened and they were basically stealing the oil Putting it into these tankers driving it into the US labeled as waste oil, and smaller American oil refineries. They're like, let it through. Yeah, that's good. Let's take the waste. Smaller American refineries were buying it from them because it's a cheaper price. But these guys didn't face any implications

Father-son indicted on charges smuggling crude oil supporting Mexican cartels go down Yeah, I think these are the Mormons Oh, these are the Mormons Yes to Utah men with ties to South Texas company face federal charges for allegedly supporting the CJNG cartel It doesn't a terrorist group. All right, go down Joe. And maybe there was, there's maybe another case. Yeah.

Maxwell's. Yep. Yep. James Lyle Jensen and Maxwell's. These are the Mormons. Okay. Cause the one that I'm talking about, it's three Mexican nationals. Um, there's another one, pull it up.

It's amazing. 11 national guard, uh, members were caught in the act stealing the crude oil. Yeah, this one's a good one. And then they tried to say that they were actually trying to protect the pipeline. Oh, that's right, yeah. Four days ago. That's right.

11 members of Mexico's National Guard charged in connection with fuel theft ring. Let's go down. All right, they were formally charged in a fuel theft case a week after they were caught extracting fuel from an illegal tap using official patrol vehicles. Guanajuato, Interior Secretary Jorge Jimenez Lona confirmed the charges during an interview with Telegreo Nocturno. He said a federal judge charged the soldiers with hydrocarbon theft,

a crime commonly known in Mexico as huachacor. Today we were informed they were formally charged. They are in federal prison. If someone acts improperly and belongs to a corporation, the full weight of the law should be applied according to proceso. A judge also ordered preventative detention for the 11 National Guard members that were transferred to Federal Social Readaptation Center

number 12 in Ocampo, Guantajato. And Meneslona emphasized that illicit acts committed by authorities or federal armed forces will not be tolerated. Good for them. So, well, they get paid like nothing. So, the problem though with the Huachicol, the oil theft, is that it's obviously not an illicit substance.

It's not like fentanyl. Right. But it still does lead to, well, it's organized crime, so it will lead to tragedy and death. And this is a major problem in Mexico where they will improperly tap into the pipeline, or they will tap into the same pipeline too many times, and it explodes, and then people do die.

And innocent people, people have nothing to do with it. Because, like, a whole pipeline, it explodes, it runs through a whole area, you know, it's not just an explosion in that condensed area. So, this is very problematic, and truth be told there's really no crackdown on this at all even though it's one of their most profitable operations. Crackdown on that side of the border or like both? On both. I would say

both. So the United States is not, you don't think has made an effort here. Well because tell me this Julian, we look at that example of the Mormons and then I haven't there's another one that I mentioned of the three CG and G guys the Mexican Nationals, but Where in that article do they mention anywhere about the American refineries that were buying that oil from them? Nowhere exactly there's no crackdown on either side. Mm-hmm Exactly. There's no crackdown on either side. Well that's also like the big thing here because we always go with the cartels for funneling this stuff across the border as we should, but it's also like we're buying it.

Yeah. Right? Regardless of what it is. Obviously we're talking about something that's legal right here that is being bought illegally. But the insatiable appetite for drugs. I know. Yeah. And people talk about this all the time and I get a lot of these comments where it's like,

well, all we have to do is people need, Americans need to stop taking drugs and then it will cease to exist. But that's just like so like, okay, sure. Yeah, like logically, like black and white, but is that, that's not gonna fucking happen. So let's, let's use our brains here, people, because we know that everyone's still gonna wanna do drugs. And if the demand always exists, then so will the supply.

Even if the demand goes away, the cartels will continue to exist and do organized crime, because there will still. Yes, because, okay, everyone, no, okay, let's say, no one on this planet is addicted to drugs anymore. Wow amazing Well, everyone still needs crude oil and avocados. Yep Yeah, then what? but they also It's not like

The fear we've had with fentanyl for example is like always fentanyl and cocaine is it in weed? Like is it in all these things and there's a a legitimate fear there, that's happened. Totally. But the cartels, not giving credit here, they've tried over the years to not put fentanyl in some of their other substances because they don't want those substances to kill their customers in the United States. Yes.

Yet they're still trafficking regular S-Fentanyl all over the country, which is almost like I think about that. I'm like So are they separating out? You know like the Kensington's of the world and being like well, they're already on it anyway So we're gonna funnel it in and risk getting a lot of other people on it and dying because that does kill a lot Of customers right? Versus like everyone else that they're like well, they're not gonna do it. So we'll keep it out of their normal drugs That's one thing. I don't understand either and also when I was initially reporting on the Cartel Connection in Canada, I went to

this area in Vancouver called East Hastings Street, which is basically like our skid row. And I was speaking to people there, and so many people told me, I wish that I could get access to heroin again, so I wasn't using fentanyl and I could just go back to heroin. Because it's that much worse. It's that much worse. Like, there are people who have been in that area and using drugs and, you know, in the throes of addiction for basically their whole lives,

and they were functioning. Yes. And, you know, their physical appearance was a certain way, but then they started using fentanyl, and you have that fentanyl lean, and your appearance and your mental state and health deteriorates very fast So but now people are getting more used to fentanyl. So I don't really know like what what the

whole point is there With them trying to take it out of like not lacing other drugs with it. I Don't know. I also I was pulling this up before I was pulling this up before I got this as well, but the this is from I Was trying to find the fentanyl decrease and what they're doing so decrease fentanyl seizures recent data from US Customs and Border Protection indicates a notable decrease in fentanyl seizures at the Mexican border

with a nearly 30% drop in the first half of fiscal year 2025 compared to the same period in 2024. There are reports of record reductions in fentanyl related overdose deaths in some US states like Virginia with a 44% decline year over year. Potential factors, law enforcement pressure, Sinaloa cartel shift, it says the Sinaloa cartel, a major fentanyl producer, signaled a potential move away from fentanyl trafficking in late 2023. I guess they put out a press release. Possibly due to increased pressure. China's role, China, a key source of fentanyl precursor chemicals, has also reportedly increased

efforts to suppress their flow. Like China's suppress their flow. Like China, yeah, I thought China's stopping their flow. Yeah, I thought they were doing like a reverse opium war. Oh, well, also, okay, they are. But we also have to mention the fact that the Sinaloa cartel, the New York Times just put out an investigation a few months ago that apparently the Sinaloa cartel is now recruiting chemistry students from the universities over there so that they can learn how to make

the precursors from scratch in Mexico. In Mexico. So they're trying to break ties. Yeah. They're trying to cut ties. They want to cut out the middleman and do it on their own. Right. But I don't think they're going to do it like with leaving them cut ties with a bad taste

in their mouth. It's just a matter of honing in on the whole operation. Part of that, I think, is also this is, this is, and I'm speculating here, I mean they did say law enforcement pressure, but this is probably also a political move on their part in the sense that they're like, oh shit, alright, Trump just came in, let's ease it with this, give him less to work with on, you know, us bringing so much fucking fentanyl in fucking fentanyl and and everything yeah that could be the case for sure all right what is it would you pull up here Joe Mexican cartels lure chemistry students to make fentanyl wow okay this is from New York Times who's

sprawled out the cartel recruiter slipped on the campus disguised as a janitor and zeroed in on his target as sophomore chemistry student. The recruiter explained that the cartel was staffing up for a project that he'd heard good things about the young man. It's like the beginning of a movie where they're put, it's like I'm putting a team together. This article actually got a lot of flak. Wait, why did it get flak? Because people were saying that it wasn't true.

Well, it's in the New York Times. It must be true. And this reporter actually, Natalie, she was doxed by the previous Mexican president. Natalie Kittroff? Yeah. What do you mean doxed? He literally in his morning press conference

said her full phone number in front of the whole Mexican population. Oh shit, I thought you were just saying he doxed her name, meaning she had been reporting privately, meaning under a ship name. He said, and she lives basically in this neighborhood of Mexico City, and this is her phone number. Whoa!

Okay. Horrible. So I mean, it must be true. Let me just say this. In their quest to build fentanyl empires, Mexican criminal groups are turning to an unusual talent pool, not hit men or corrupt police officers, but chemistry students studying at Mexican universities.

People who make fentanyl in cartel labs, who are called cooks, we've all seen Breaking Bad, told the New York Times that they needed workers with advanced knowledge of chemistry to help make the drug stronger and get more people hooked, as one cook put it. The cartels also have a more ambitious goal to synthesize the chemical compounds known as precursors that are essential to making fentanyl, freeing them from having to import those raw materials from China. There you go.

Yeah. Good reporting. So this also like would change the game, right? Because if they are like honing in on fentanyl production, they're making the precursors in Mexico and perhaps even start making the precursors in Canada, you just have so much more of a freer flow of the drug. You've done a lot of reporting in the past on certain politicians or political organizations that are clearly in cartel pockets.

For a system like that to work though, I mean they're putting fucking guys in janitor suits to go get chemistry students at public universities. Some of these people gotta be helping facilitate that. Well, so there I reported on how the US, a homeland guy told me about how the US had, has a watch list where they're basically monitoring certain Mexican politicians who may appear to have narco ties. Narco ties. Yeah, ties to certain like organized crime. So I was like, okay, I think I believe this guy and I he I got some names. I

Put out the story exactly a month later the first person on that list the governor of Baja, California Marina del Pilar Had her US tourist visa revoked and so did her husband and now her husband stepped down from his role and I don't know if she has or hasn't yet, but This was like a whole thing. And the governor of Sinaloa, where this is happening, Governor Ruben Rocha Moya, has long been said to have major cartel ties.

Didn't you interview him once? I did, in a scrum. Yeah, yeah, I saw that. And probably that's not probably gonna happen again, to be honest. And so he, I always put it like this, is that the way that he manages that state, it would probably hurt people less in the long term if he were to just walk around Sinaloa

and bitch slap everyone in their face. Because it's so, it's so it's so openly, blatantly corrupt and he doesn't seem to care. And I truly believe that he's profiting off of it in some way because how are you telling me that you've had this cartel operating for so long and then it took like a big capo getting captured and then you fly another guy over into the US, and there's like so much lore behind this,

and the governor's just, la-da-dee-da-da. Yep. Come on. Nothing to see. And then the previous governor of Jalisco is also on that list, because under his administration, or under his, like, when he was the governor,

was when the searching mothers because there's a lot of groups of mothers that search for missing people across Mexico because they have like an epidemic of missing people yeah found that ranch the extermination ranch in Jalisco 58 kilometers outside of Guadalajara the capital city extermination ranch did you see it ranches again so basically was this ranch that they discovered that served as an extermination camp allegedly. Yeah, this is it. And...

Bones and bone fragments, BBC visits, Mexican cartel extermination site. Wow. And so it was said that following a tip-off about the possible location of a mass grave, an activist group of relatives of some of Mexico's thousands of disappeared people went to the ranch. What they found was far worse, 200 pairs of shoes, hundreds of items of clothing, scores of suitcases,

and rucksacks discarded after the owners themselves were apparently disappeared of. They also found these underground, oh yeah, okay, so human and bone fragments were found, but I want to see the part they found underground There were children's other ways in there. That's sick. There was a duffel bag in there that had Dude, it was like one of things I had as a kid with all the Disney princesses on it Yeah Oh look those are the shoes.

It looks like fucking Auschwitz. People were calling it Mexico's Holocaust. Yeah. Mexican Auschwitz. Real quick, I gotta go to the bathroom. So do I. I was gonna say that. We'll be right back.

All right, we're back. This is like, this is sick. Horrible. It's like, and no one, but this, it doesn't get talked about. You know, like sometimes we pick and choose like what tragedies we talk about around the world they should talk about all it definitely made headlines but it certainly wasn't to the extent that it should have been considering how many atrocities were committed there and then also it didn't help that a lot of politicians were saying that no it

wasn't an extermination camp it was a training camp for politicians were saying that yeah actually let's pull up with Claudia she and bomb said about that because I don't remember exactly what she said about it You think they're I'm not excusing it at all because that's fucking horrible Are they just like so embarrassed this happened on their watch that they're like, oh no, it's not what it looks like That's why they're trying to like run and duck on this I think that's part of it And I think another part of it is also that people who are on CJ and G payroll or are Afraid of CJ and G don't want to say yeah, they did it because it makes them look really bad. Have that

I mean sometimes they do this might be a dumb question, but have the cartels Respond in any effort to respond on this. Oh fuck. Yeah, we could probably pull up that video. They have a fully edited video All right, let's see if we can find that joke. Is it the CJ? CJ and G. Basically, you know, I say this too. You know, aside from they run like a fortune 500, they also have great PR. So they do. They really there is stay on top of their PR game.

They have the best spin teams in New York City. They write. They write full-on press releases will have a team in front of a camera set up DSLR hit play they're reading their script or just saying it and CG&G said this was not us and you should not be pointing fingers at us and Me saying like I definitely think it was CG and G is obviously like not great Because this makes them look really bad and that's something they'd be like, okay, you know, you know people are saying this of course

Yeah, it's so it's in their territory and it's pretty obvious and Certainly if a organized crime group is telling you hey, you know, we didn't do it I mean, what do you see here? You're just going to blindly believe them. All right. So maybe this is going to be the video right here. No, it won't be here. It's going to have to only be on Twitter.

Oh, okay. I don't I don't you search on Twitter. I reposted it a while ago. When did that happen? February? When was it? Maybe we'll try to find it. But so they're they're doing professional yes and the cartel del noreste even has like their cdn local and it'll be like don't

turn it on cdn and come on get us and they will say their piece and then close it out and don't turn it on yeah some you know the cartels feel like... They feel like a Batman villain. You know, like when you watch a bad... Yeah, not even just a Joker. I'm saying like just in general, where like these crazy larger than life, literally like not real in some ways, like features or characters have their own government and Gotham. And that's what these guys are.

This is their video. Oh, and they're all masked up too. Yeah. Yeah, they don't look suspicious at all. Look at us in all our fucking Special Forces gear. All right, let's play it right here. Get some audio on this. Bang, bang.

Boom. We got it. Bang, bang. Boom. You got it? You want to translate? I will. Live? Go ahead. You can do it live, like while I'm talking. Like right now? Yeah, yeah. I turned it down. Where two illegal privations of freedom are given. They guard and analyze the prejudice of the But huh we can do a great recap to yeah, okay, okay the gist of this video. He basically says I One thing about me and it's funny because what are you good for cat?

Can't even translate It's nice even for me I can't honestly when I see the videos of like the people live like translating whatever language it's crazy I don't know how the fuck like your brain can turn off that and people know like my Spanish is strong So but translating like that I can't do it and because there's so much colloquial words that I don't know how to put into English But I know what they mean. So anyways, basically this guy says in this video that I remember him saying actually actually, he's like, I'm a father, I would never be a part of a group that would do something like this.

And he's like, we have nothing to do with this ranch and they're trying to point fingers at us. And the real enemies here are the activist group of searching mothers that go in or sticking their nose where it doesn't belong. Oh, fuck you. And then the fucking Mexican federal government also villainized them.

Forget the government for a second, going after the moms who are searching for their kids is disgusting Yeah, but okay from the cartel yeah, but how can you say forget about the government because the government is so I know I know That's crazy. I know I know I'm saying like even just remove that for a second That's sick to go after the horrible to go after the moms. Horrible to go after the moms. And then you have the government being like, basically, yeah, you know what, Kurtels are right. These moms, they gotta stay in their lane. Are you fucking joking? It's a joke, yeah.

And most, like, it's most of these women. So the crazy thing about this is that, and this is why I brought this up, was because of the previous governor of Jalisco who was in charge when this ranch was found, or no. He was in charge when in the fall, the Mexican National Guard and the Fiscalía went to this ranch and saved like two kidnapping victims

and arrested like a few cartel members and there was like a shootout. Got those people left. This shit, wide open. No headlines, nothing. Then a few months later, the moms get a tip that this exists. They go there and they're the ones who break the story.

There's an extermination camp. Finding their own kids remains. And the state government was just here and released nothing about it and investigated nothing So you're telling me there's a possible fucking Mexican Auschwitz and Mexican authorities were there and they never said anything about it or launched an investigation into it Talk about corruption and impunity and then you're gonna tell me that that same body is there to serve and protect the people and write policy that allows people to have a quality of life and ensure that they don't

have to join the cartels because don't worry the government is here to protect you and provide you with the quality of life. Come on. When a guy like that it just makes me think a guy like that. You said he was saying in the video like I'm a father. I would never be a part of an organization that would do something like this. First of all, laughable that he says that.

Secondly though, this is what's crazy about people like this, and this doesn't just apply to cartels, this applies to even evil people that do other things all over the world. It's like when I was talking with that guy, Matt Hedger, who was undercover with the cartels, he talks about it too.

He's like, I had to be friends with these guys, which means I'd go, he'd be with a stone cold killer, a dude like this. And he'd go over his house for dinner with his wife and kids. And he'd be like a good dad. Who was that guy? That Polish guy, the Iceman? Yeah, Richard Kulinski. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. You could turn it. It's like they have a sociopathic switch and it's really never off to be clear. It's always there, but they have almost like

a radio cover for it that they can do in their real life and maybe, and not to give them credit as a person, but maybe like they really, they probably really do love their kids. They don't hit their kids. Right, because they don't, their kids aren't the ones who are getting killed. Their kids aren't, they're protected. And you know, I think we talked about this last time,

kind of like the morality of this, which I think is really interesting because, hot take, but I don't really think the majority of these guys are inherently bad people. I just think that the conditions of what led them to this position turned them into like really evil, cold stone killers like you said. Which means they become that.

And it's like, I talk about this all the time with terrorism and it's similar here. Well, yeah, they are terrorists now. Right, exactly. Like I am never gonna empathize with what someone becomes Terrorism and it's and it's it's similar here. Well, yeah, they're they are terrorists now, right exactly like I Am never gonna empathize with what someone becomes or the evil they do, right? Someone goes and blows up a building fuck you, you know, you're right going straight to hell Mm-hmm what I try to learn like as a human being is to empathize with where they came from

yes, so that if we can if we can learn from that and from yes, so that if we can if we can learn from that and Reduce the next generation like start low low goal reduce the next generation there by 2% You know what I mean? Like reduce two out of a hundred of those people who become that by improving the environment It's something something and that's why I say it starts with the propaganda and the glamorization of it Yes, because that's the only way to do it Because then perhaps maybe that guy would have just been a father. Now, why aren't, like, I know it makes news stories, and I know you've been reporting on it too.

You talked about it a little bit ago, but, like, the whole recruiting thing openly, forget Telegram and some of the more underground apps like that. But the music and the TikTok? But, like, TikTok and stuff. How is that not being cracked down on? The Mexican government is, they've actually shut down a couple hundred TikTok accounts that are openly recorded for the cartel.

All right, that's something. Also, that genre of music, the corridos, the corridos tomados, narco corridos, are banned in a lot of regions in Mexico. And some longer than others. Lots of establishments won't play them. Lots of bands won't. But actually, a Mexican musical group

just had all of their US visas revoked because they played a concert where they showed Al Mencho in the back and like basically played homage to him. And then they were like, I don't know if it was the US or Mexico that said to them, you guys can't do this again. And like this was so bad. And then they went and, I don't know if it was the US or Mexico that said to them, you guys can't do this again. And like, this was so bad.

And then they went and they just did it again. And then US revoked all of their visas. Good, good. I mean, like to be that blatant about it too. Like, are you dumb? And then there's the argument a lot of people say that. There it is, Mexican ban has, you're on a roll today. Thanks. Mexican ban has us visas revoked for glorifying drug kingpin

April 2025 US State Department is revoked visas held by members of Mexican band for glorifying drug kingpin deputy secretary of state Christopher Landau said the band Los Alegres de la barran barranco Had projected an image of El Mencho onto a screen in a recent concert in Mexico. El Mencho, who is Nimencio Oseguero Ramos, is the leader of the Jalisco New Generation Quartel, one of the most feared transnational drug trafficking. And so then you'll have people argue and say like, when I did my dispatch episode about cartel propaganda,

okay, music, police, and I was like, look, I'm not saying that you have to stop the good music. Also, like, I give examples. It's like when the FBI tried to crack down on NWA or Two Life Group, right? But the difference with that was they were pushing for like, stop violence against women or violence against cops and

cloud the president clouded a sheen bomb actually just by cops against No, because NWA was inciting people be violent again. Fuck the police coming straight. No, that's exactly what I'm saying I think you actually only said the opposite, right? Yeah. I just want to make sure you're not was hurt. Yeah. Thank you. So That was one thing but this is blatant propaganda is the difference. So yeah, you're inciting violence, but you're also inciting people to be part of something that is so much bigger than just fuck the cops or slap a bitch and hit a hoe, whatever.

So the Mexican federal government has started this initiative called Mexico sings where it's like We want everyone to showcase their musical talents that have nothing to do with narco stuff Because we don't want to incite violence, but I feel like they're missing the whole point. It's not about just the violence It's about the glamorization which is blatant propaganda Leading to allure people into joining cartels. Yes Maganda leading to allure people into joining cartels. Yes I want to go back to Sinaloa in the state of that and because we got off that and post on my own I want to bring in Carolina and talk about like the perspective of your family on the ground and everything but

After all my oh gets taken down whatever the fuck that was last July. Yeah, 2024 Creates this power vacuum as you've already laid out July 2024 creates this power vacuum as you've already laid out new generation cartel has seized a lot of this to be able to take more power Sinaloa is hurting but the overall effect is cartels didn't lose any power just shifted around it shifted what is the state of Sinaloa though like right now you know what's crazy is when I was here with you last time I was like it's so fucked up and there's so much blatant daily broad daylight violence and it only got worse.

Yes, it has continued on and it's so much worse to the point where houses are getting shot up, burned down. There's videos of kids, right? School is out and they're running for cover because there's a shootout right outside of the school. And so Carolina's family, like most of your family, lives there, other than her parents and her brother who are with her. But what does your family say?

They're tired of it. They're like sick and tired of it. Everyone is. Like everyone just wants it to end, but it's like there's no answer. And people are kind of feeling hopeless. And so I think like, obviously it's really important to give people a voice, which is why I think what you guys are doing

is like really important. But like, just to give you a real life example, it's like when they first extradited, I'm sorry, I'm blinking right now. When they sent El Mayo to the States? Yes. Sara Quintero or El Mayo? No, no, no, so I'm talking recently. So, sorry, I'm nervous. You. When they sent El Mayo to the States? Yes. Clara Pintero or El Mayo? No, no, no.

So I'm talking recently. So, sorry, I'm nervous. You're okay. Nervous. When they first extradited El Mayo, things popped off. And so, right after that, I remembered that my cousin called my mom and she was real stressed out saying that. So what do you call ponchayantas?

The what are the the strips that break the tires how do you call those? Oh the uh the spike strips spikes yeah so cartels use those a lot so like I told you like they take cars like GTA style like if they want a certain car like they like they'll try and take it from you. So you can't really have like a nice car quote unquote. Like before all of this popped off, my cousin bought like a nice like truck. And so she was driving around and literally like they threw it at her.

She freaked and she was able to like not get her tires popped. And so like later on, like they did it again and she got home and she's like, I'm never using that truck out again. Like in the past before even this popped off though, like I've definitely had like multiple family members try and get their cars taken away.

Actually like my uncles were still in the car when they took their truck away. So they drove off with them in the car? They drove off with them and they're like, please, like, let us go, let us go, like just take the car. And eventually they freaking kicked them out somewhere like randomly. And it was like, yeah, it was like terrifying. And this was like years ago. So this has been a thing.

This is long-term. Yeah. It's a thing. But like long term. Yeah, it's a thing. But like you said to me, how like you know someone who bought like a beat up shitty car just to drive around. A lot of people are buying beaters now because they were getting their cars stolen. And they were using the spikes.

They still use the spikes. And a lot of the cartel armored vehicles have these special tires. They like have a blue cap around them. I have a video of it that are anti-spikes. So they can drive right over the spikes and it doesn't puncture the tire. I feel like this is an impossible question to ask,

but, like, in Sinaloa, what percentage of the population isn't necessarily just in the cartel, but associated with and supporting the cartel? Do you have any idea? It's okay if you don't. Uh... for the most part people Want it to be gone and people want to live like a normal life, but they feel powerless

Yeah, like it's like a hopelessness and it's like Whenever they like speak to us like me and my mom. It's like you can sense that they're like This freaking sucks like and like what can you do, you know? Like, we check in, it's like, hey, how are things? How are you doing today? And like, sometimes we'll be like, oh yeah, I'm so scared. Like, earlier I saw like a body on the road, we just passed by.

And it's like, that's literally not normal, and it's so scary. And like, I haven't been to visit my family in a really long time because I Yeah, I don't want to be out there like things can pop off at any moment But it's like I'm everyone's so worried and like when we did The episode together on tik-tok and like YouTube we spoke about this and I like was saying like these same examples and we spoke about this and I was saying these same examples. And it's like people in the comment sections were also like, oh yeah, this is for sure a thing.

Thank you for speaking about this. I haven't seen anything about this. We want more. And so it's like people are eager to hear, at least in the States, the demographic that we hit, with people who have family back there. And it's like, yes, please speak about it. Like, yes, this is crazy. This is happening. Like, we're so worried as well. Like, you know, like, let's get this out there. Do they have any hope, your family or people, friends you talk with back there, do they have

any hope that it can actually change? Or is a cynical like this is what it is it sucks but it is what it is it's like a little bit of both like i my family's like very like you know they have a lot of faith in god so i feel like in general like we have a sense of, you know, one day things will be better. We don't know how, obviously, like hope is hope. You can only hope that one day in the future. You don't know how many years this can take 10, 20, 30 years. Like we really don't know. For like, personally, like I hope things change. I don't have answers. Like no one truly like has an answer as to when, I don't have answers like no one truly like has an answer as to when but it's like obviously like no one wants to live like that and like I have family who lives like deep in the ranches and it's like and the

Has political family over there too. Oh you have political family. I do now Okay, and you don't have to answer anything. You don't want to answer here, but like Cuz you're let me turn on the cynical Thought here for a minute Yes, there are clearly dirty politicians who are on the tape. I'm just talking in general. Yeah There are also probably people who are given no choice if you know what I mean not even necessarily getting paid it's like oh Like what you want to live? We're gonna drive down that road. You're not gonna say shit. I know you're the mayor, but you're not saying anything that's

Realistic, right? Yeah Well, I can say like I was actually a child when my uncle ran for like Presidente municipal this is like mayor but it's's a big deal in Mexico like compared to out here And I remember he was gonna go for like another term which people like really loved him he's like humanitarian and You know, he tries his best like we have two things. What do you do in the community? I was young but um, I I know that like I was young, but I know that people just love him. That is what I do know, and he received so much support.

And honestly, I can't say that I know if my family will be okay with me sharing so much about all of that. Truly, I don't speak to them in that matter of, hey, I'm going to go on this podcast and I'm going to speak about everything. You're speaking in generalities though too, which helps. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Like I'm trying to get... My family member in this family. Yes, yes, yes. Obviously for safety purposes too, because they live there and I don't. Right. But... Sad, you got to think that way too. Yeah. And And so basically I know that he tried to run again and they literally like the opponent was like, had affiliations and was like, don't run because

for your own good. And they like burnt some of his stuff, like yeah. And he had to get security. Like it was crazy the whole family was like dude like don't do it like it's not worth like your safety yeah so obviously like in mexico politicians are like killed all the time or people who run so it's like it's nothing new that's it and and honestly like i'm probably guilty of that too Like not pointing that out enough. There's like I was saying there's a lot of people who aren't given a choice or they just get killed because

Whatever recent presidential election in Mexico was the most deadly in Mexican history By what metrics like the people around the actual politicians that were killed and the people around the actual election were killed? The amount of politicians that were killed and the people around the elections. And the amount of polling stations that were shot up, burned down. Shot up. Yep. Ballot boxes were stolen, destroyed.

That doesn't surprise me. And your family, like your immediate family here, your parents and your brother, it sounds like you guys are like the only one of the bunch of your whole family who's in America right now. Is that right? Or do you have other family members in America too?

For the most part, like my mom's side, she has no one out here. My dad has like uncles and like a little bit more family. How long have they been here in the country? My dad came out here actually when he was like 16, 17. He like would ride the bike to like the adult school nearby just to learn like English. And like people even get shocked sometimes when he randomly starts speaking in English. I was shocked.

Oh yeah, you were huh. Yeah, everyone's always very like shocked because his English is like really good but um Yeah, like he literally had to come out here because his family lives like deep in the ranch in the middle of nowhere and like I'm sorry. Are you referring to like where the cartels? Where there's a lot of cartels because there's no government oversight. Okay, got it. And like, extreme poverty, especially back in the day when he was like 16, 17 or like just growing up in general, like he tells me sometimes like he would have to eat like,

literally just like a tortilla. Because there was nothing. And so for that reason, it's like he had to literally like, come out out here and he would be the one to, like, provide for his, like... He has a ton of siblings. And he was the one who, like, made that decision, and obviously, it's like... Like, he has no one out here. Um, and it's just crazy to have the perspective of someone,

like, daughter of an immigrant, and knowing, like, how crazy things are out there like obviously you know like to be specifically from Sinaloa it's like I I'm worried all the time yeah all the time it's like you just never know what can pop off yeah now what's the there's been a lot of talk about especially especially since El Mayo got caught, like, oh, who was really in charge? Was El Chapo just the easy guy to put as the front, you know, because he was the dude who loved the media and the attention, whatever, whereas El Mayo was really the grandfatherly,

and air quotes there, guy who ran things? Like what is, what do you think the reality is there? I ask everyone this. I think that the power dynamic was pretty split it was just a matter of the ways that either of them like you said ran their faction of the cartel it it was personality differences okay honestly I don't know it's hard for me in America with my American centric view of organized crime to imagine that, like to give you an example, not that it hasn't happened before, it has,

but there's usually, if you look at the history of like the Italian American mafia, for example, you got the five families in New York, whenever there's like a power sharing structure in one of the families where there's like two bosses, there's a war, like it doesn't work, right? But these guys technically had, if it's true what it is Had this power-sharing thing for a while decades. Yes, it did work it seems

But it's hard to believe because of the egos and you know and and differences in how they manage the business And that's why I think cjng is so successful because there's one leader Yeah, and he's an ex-police officer So he runs that shit like it's military style and the Zetas though were the ones who were trained by US Special Forces, right? Yeah, what what are they doing right now? Well, what's the latest with them? It's it's fragmented and It's a fragmented cartel. And so typically, I mean, a lot of people don't agree with me on this, but I think that

most of the fragmented cartels now in Mexico are pretty much working with in some capacity CG and G. Now, also a big like landmark thing that just recently happened was how they... Mexico sort of unofficially, because they didn't follow typical extradition procedures, sent 29 major capos to America to face justice here. And a lot of the big heads there, well, you know, you have Caro Quintero, who allegedly murdered DEA agent Quique Camarena. But then... Yeah.

Um, and then you have, uh, Zeta 40, big-time leader in the Zetas, who was notoriously very violent. And the Zetas kind of had the same effect that the Sinaloa cartel is having now, where they caused so much havoc and violence that it got to a point where people were like, we are done with this and they were against them.

And to the point when these guys were sent to the US, a lot of people were like, all right, let's see the death penalty now, which they can potentially face because they weren't sent under typical extradition policy. Has it been harder for you since also getting a bit of a bigger profile here to develop sources or easier? I mean it sounds like you've gotten some good ones since the last time you were here. Yeah, I've actually gotten... Look, the sources have been a lot better now because people know what I'm like and what I'm doing.

And so I can reach out to someone or try to get a source and they're more trusting or they know my vibe more. And they know that I'm good at keeping people anonymous. And then in another way too, people are reaching out more. There's a lot of shit, but I know how to scroll through it and figure out what is real and what isn't. And people reaching me through other official authorities and stuff like that. So the sources thing has been great.

But in terms of the safety, the exposure has not been good for the safety. Right. Yeah, no. It's a lot of attention more than I anticipated because, and I say this all the time, like I didn't start doing this to be famous or validated or whatever.

It was just literally in the name of journalism and telling these stories. So now that there is more exposure, there's more threat of, well, what I do say is reaching a lot of ears and has a lot of impact. Because we're getting a couple hundred thousand views on each YouTube video and each podcast. So there are people who really don't like what I have to say

that are listening or people are sending those videos to them and there's you know, there's Superficial threats of like you better keep your mouth shut or what the fuck are you saying? Hey, you know, you're gonna die But then there are like the real messages or I'm like, this is this someone is telling me to stop talking about this Have you been able to develop new sources actually? I don't know how you would, this is really subjective, but pretty high up in the cartels who are willing to talk with you? Yeah, we're not going to talk about that. Okay.

All right, I had another question there, so I'm not going to talk about that. Okay. All right. I had another question there, so I'm not going to ask that. No way. Yeah. Right. What, what do you think? Just in general, what do you think makes someone want to talk? Who's actively in a position? You asked me this last time and I think it's a lot of it has to do with flexing their muscles or if they have something to gain. Um, a lot of it has to do with flexing their muscles or if they have something to gain. A lot of people reach out to me because they feel like they can get something from the American government if I help them get the story out or put them in contact

with the right people. And then people wanna show, hey, look what I'm doing and I'm not getting caught, which a huge part ego is a huge part or people feeling like there's some sort of injustice within the organization that they're in whether that's government or crime and They feel like I can kind of in some way work as the messenger to put out this information And I'm not putting out the information in their benefit But I'll if the information benefits the public,

or if I feel like it's something the public needs to know, and I can verify it, then that goes out. And whether the person who gave me that information, benefits or not, isn't my priority. It's a matter of whether or not it's a solid story. I mean, you're also, and this struck me last time, and like we joke about it in some ways, but it's serious, like you're clearly very, you're passionate about what you do, you're willing to do it, you understand there's dangers to it, and you're willing to put yourself

in that, but also with the bigger profile, it's like you were saying, now there's more threats and things like that. Some of it seems like it could be real. What kind of precautions can you take to protect yourself? Because they don't... We've seen it in the past go bad with journalists down there. That's not a new thing. Yeah.

Well, I'm trying to be careful and I'm careful about what I say. I won't say something that's going to actively put me in danger that I don't feel like is benefiting the public. Like, I'm not gonna report some sort of narco gossip just because I know it's gonna get clicks. Yeah. If I were to do that, I'd probably be super famous by now, but also dead.

And that's just not worth it, because then who's gonna tell the stories if I'm dead? Yeah. So, precautions, yeah, I try to be safe. But also dead and that's just not worth it because then who's gonna tell the stories if I'm dead. Yeah so Precautions. Yeah, I try to be safe. But at the end of the day, it's not about me or the safety It's about the stories and the people who are actually suffering. Yeah, we can be scared for me and cry for me all day Whatever the fuck but then you have moms who are going and searching for the bones at these extermination camps I'd rather cry for them. Because that's horrible.

And give them a voice. And they didn't choose that. I chose this. So... Is there, you know, and maybe you can understand this through your family, Carolina, but... You know, human life is human life, regardless of where it is. But is there a built-in... I don't want to use the word acceptance, but almost like desensitized little? Yeah, there's another word I'm looking

for right now, but let's go with that because that's pretty good. Is there a little bit of a desensitization that's built in, you know, to people you know down there because they understand that the collateral damage, meaning innocence losing their lives is a part of the way of life that these organizations have created? Yeah, like totally in Mexico and now here, like people who have family from out there, like, I don't know if it hurts so bad that they just wanna act like everything's fine. But like when things popped off, like recently with the extradition,

I was telling people to be like careful. Like people who I knew that were gonna go to Sinaloa for like vacation in Mazatlán or whatever. And I'd be like, just be careful. Like, you know, like, cause I feel like I'm more realistic about it. And I know people who are like, it'll be fine. And I'm like, I don't know.

Like we're talking about it and it's like, it's real. And like, I just don't know why sometimes people like, they'll go to Sinaloa and are very like About it now You know she had a she has nightmares about it and like She was gonna go to Sinaloa with her with your cousin or your friend and then she had a dream no no no crashed No, no, this is another story. Yeah, but that's like inherently Psychologically from that shit because it's associated with death and danger. Of course. Yeah but like

Why it's cuz what I was talking about was like a whole nother dream. That's why I'm like no It has nothing to do with it. Yeah, it's a completely different dream like maybe we can like cut that part out cuz it's like no, but um What was your question again? about the whether it's like no but um what was your question again about the whether it's like a an acceptance like a desensitization to the violence that occurs is that's just how it you know and I don't want to oversimplify it like but the proverbial shoulder shrug of that's just a part of what it is I mean it sounds like you do go back sometimes

Am I hearing that correctly? Yeah, I've gone before But not safe when you go there. Yeah, I mean I went like when I like like maybe four years ago five years ago like I haven't been back since because I feel like It was really it was safe back then, not really safe, but it was like safer. And like now things are like a lot different and like you will hear people say like, it's never been this bad.

So it's like, I'm not gonna go back and visit my family if there's, we don't see an end to this. And also like, what what did what were you saying that like basically CG and G has like an alliance with the chapitos. So it's like um in the video even which is like so scary they say that like this is just begun like this is barely starting and like literally I'm like What like it's already so bad. So it's been decades. Yeah, it's just begun It's just begun how much possibly worse could this fucking get? This is one of the things that Johnny Mitchell said and like Johnny goes there all the time and goes there with that Calderon and everything so like

You know, he's got way more of a perspective than I could ever have but he pushes back on the Crazy he's like yes, there's violence and there's problems in Mexico and the cartels are very bad But he's like when people talk about the safety across the whole country and everything It's not like like you can go places and you don't have to worry about it. Like, would you say that the cartels, obviously it's documented, they do horrible shit to their own people and there's a lot of violence, but would you say that most of the places you can go

as an outsider? Like vacation spots. Yeah. I just did a real on this that went viral and people were giving me a ton of shit because I said that you book a Cancun resort and the cartel books it too. This is how the cartels run most of the tourist hotspots

and the resorts because they use it as money laundering. They're making so much money off of tourists in terms of drugs and sex. So they will likely, if a tourist doesn't cause problems, leave them alone, of course. They're making money're making so much money off of tourists in terms of drugs and sex So they will likely if a tourist doesn't cause problems leave them alone. Of course, they're making money off of them That doesn't mean that they do not have power there Certainly Puerto Verde is a major CJ and G hotspot and it's true. They don't have power I know I didn't want to get it's extremely lucrative for them If the regular American family wants to go and that you know

They want to go to a place where you don't have these daily shootouts and you want to just hang by the beach and be chill Yeah, you're probably gonna be fine like very likely But the fact of the matter is yeah, you can go and do whatever you want and turn to blind eye But it doesn't mean it's not existing around you and entrenched in everything that you're spending your money on there Now with your new show on Ironclad borderland dispatches borderland dispatches will have the link down below in description what's You're just reporting each week on the latest stuff you find or are you working on building specific stories over time?

And I'm kind of doing both so it's two episodes a week and typically what I'm trying to do you find, or are you working on building specific stories over time and... I'm kind of doing both. So it's two episodes a week, and typically what I'm trying to do is a sort of analysis, in-depth explainer for one of the episodes a week. Just for, because a lot of the viewership is American, and people who are interested to know about this, some who are just learning about this, some who are pretty fluent in it,

and it sparks conversation, which I think is really important when we're discussing, you know, such high level of organized crime. And then for another episode, as much as I can, it's just in terms of my capacity for how much I can do, go and cover a breaking or big-time story that I can dive into and show people. So that's what I did at the El Paso-Juarez border,

at the northern border, and now I'm gonna go and do some on the crude oil. Those will probably be out by then. But how they're bringing in the crude oil into Brownsville, Texas. So that's... I kind of want to hit both sides of storytelling here, where you want some deeper understanding. I'm giving that to you, and I'm trying to paint this picture in a simple way, but also let's go boots on the ground,

because that's what I love doing, and that's what got me into this. And because, you know, yeah, I have fear, but I have a pretty high threshold for it Let's go and show you what we're kind of seeing but no one's really there showing it to you in in real time on the ground So trying to hit both Yeah, like I said earlier. There's not many of you guys who you know are from here Or you know speak English who are down there actually reporting

it. We need way more, you know, but there's so much to cover. There's so much to cover. And it's like, there was something else, but I don't want to say that part on camera. Either way, like, we need far more journals who are willing to do this. That said, the barrier to entry is people are very afraid for their lives. So you know, you've already laid out that there's fears you naturally have to have doing what you do. But like, what would you say to, you know, someone out there right now listening, who's thinking who has an ability to go do something like this, and is thinking about actually

going down there to, to cover it and is worried about their safety. If you're afraid to die, you can't do this. And if you're not willing to jump in fully, then don't do it. Like, this is not a, oh, dip your toe in and test the water. This is all or nothing. And you have to be willing to be thorough and you have to take the heat and handle it but if there are people who are interested in this and are about

honest and raw storytelling and are willing to go in and do it for the story and for the greater good of trying to at least allow people to have their voices heard, fuck yeah. There needs to be more of that, totally. I wish there was more of that. I do too, I mean, I'm not even just saying that because I enjoy talking with you guys. It's like the more exposure something like that got, the more understanding we have of it in this country

where they're also providing all these illegal services that we've been talking about all day. And it's like, you know, sometimes the best way to fight something is spread massive awareness. And it's so interesting because in one of the episodes of Dispatches I said, I think I ended the video and I was like, how do we even fucking tackle this?

Like, what do we even do? Because sometimes I get like heated, right? And then someone commented on that YouTube video saying, you know what, Katerina, this is part of how you do that. You just bring awareness to it, we talk about it, lay all the truths on the table, let people criticize it, analyze it, agree, disagree, and find out more.

And that's why, especially on Substack, whatever I'm doing, I always tell people, stay critical and stay informed, because knowledge is certainly power, especially when it comes to something like this, and the more you know, the more you fucking know. And you can't appreciate something or tackle it if you don't understand it.

Well said. Thanks. Have you, obviously like we have a lot of press in the new incoming administration on border crackdown and ICE and all this stuff that we see here. We've talked about Mexico getting some pressure to deploy their own military and stuff on the border. But what's going on with, like, U.S. organizations

like DEA operating in Mexico right now? Have you heard, like, what the scope of that is at this time, or what other organizations might be involved as well? Yeah, so DEA, uh, FBI, CIA, ICE are, what we know publicly, working bilaterally with Mexico, but they're working on the intelligence front. So they're not boots on the ground. They're gathering information, which is why openly those CIA planes are flying in Mexico.

They have a military vessel docked at the Port of Veracruz. They have certain there and they're they've amped up a program that has existed for years, which is the Green Berets go into Mexico and train some of the Mexican troops. And so, well, as we know, because of the setback. Also accidentally trained the setbacks. Also accidentally started a whole new cartel. Yeah.

Whoops. We'll ignore that one. So... Honest mistake. There are bilateral actions that are happening. Are they going to be effective? It's so hard to say because you never know what the result can be literally. Um, but they're, they're, they're, I guess, playing their part here. And I don't know if Mexico

likes it or not. That's what I was going to ask. I don't their trust at all between any of those organizations across border. To be completely honest, I don't think trust at all between any of those organizations across border to be completely honest I don't think Mexican government trusts American officials just the same way American government doesn't trust the Mexican government So sure you could be like playing cards with someone But if you don't trust or like you're on the same basketball team as someone that you don't fully trust You're not gonna play a good game. You're probably not gonna win, You know, there has to be more trust, but it's also really understanding. I'm sure both of us understand why there would be so much distrust between both

parties. Of course. But it's like, it's hard to see how a problem like this can even come close to getting halfway solved if there, if there's not some sort of real cross coordination and some level of trust that is built between the two countries' respective forces working on this. And it's hard to say whether or not these operations

are built on trust or simply just built on this mutual understanding that they have to show to the world's audience that, yeah, we're tackling the cartels and we're doing it together, but we're not actually doing it together. And nobody trusts each other.

So then it's so interesting because if you have these two parties who are trying to tackle the same problem, but they don't trust each other and they don't trust the adversary, the adversary is likely going to come out stronger. Don't you think? Yes. Yeah. I mean, I just had that thought. No, but we've seen that over and over again with this.

I mean, these guys were doing weed 40 years ago. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, think about all the things they're in now and what they're doing. They were powerful then. You know? Yeah, alcohol during Prohibition, man. Fuck, let's really take it back.

Yeah, yeah. So, you know, the cynic in me says, I mean, not even the common sense in me says there will always be black markets. There will always be organized crime. This is everywhere. That's just how it works. That's how it works. But like, you know, there has to be a whack-a-mole way

of making some less moles pop up. You know, like if you look at the Italian American mafia now, look at that background right there. Every building in New York went up with their permission and they got a taste of it. They're still around. They still have power. Not like that. No, not like that. So there's an example of like a way not to say other things haven't filled the void, but like, and this is the level of power that Mexican cartels have right now. Probably more. Probably more.

Oh, actually. In Mexico, but also in the US and in Canada. And I mean, they've expanded internationally. Like, we don't even talk about fucking what they have going on in Australia and Europe, and even in some African countries now. They have globalized themselves to the point where in order to tackle them, basically every single government of each nation that they operate in would have to work like collaborate to end it. But how do you even end it? Oh my God, I hate ending the podcasts like this.

No, but, but that's it's like, thanks for listening to our conversation. We're all fucked. Yeah So like things all this analysis and all these details only for it to just keep happening and like Garo said This is just the beginning like fuck. Yeah, but do you get cynical about that sometime? I mean you but I've always been like yeah, I was born like that. So that's the strange thing though You're down there taking a risk doing something to spread awareness on this to try to help it, right? And very few people are doing very brave. So why do you do it if you feel like there's no end in sight? Because I do it for the people. And I don't particularly always

report on that, like the human component of it. And I don't really do it on dispatches. It's literally at that point, if we're being completely honest, it comes from a business standpoint for me is like, people don't really care about other people. They want to know about the narco shit. But I will always find a way to incorporate that into my reporting, even if that isn't the headline or the main point of my reporting. I will talk to Karo, I will talk to her family. I will go to Sinaloa, I will go to Tamaulipas, I will go wherever the fuck the wind takes me in order to make sure that those mothers

of the missing kids can get the story out there. Like when I was in Culiacan and I spoke to this woman. We're just gonna ask you about that, yeah. Yeah, and I spoke to the woman. And of all the reports I did, that was my least viewed report. The woman who was searching for her son, who was kidnapped I think in like 2016,

like it's been it's been years Since he's gone missing and she continues to look and she runs the head activist group where? Her children would probably are her other children would probably argue that they've been neglected because she has been so focused on finding her son And I'll go and interview her and tell that story because to me that's the most impactful part Yeah Is the regular people who do not fucking deserve this suffering that are going through it on a daily basis, and their lives and their mental health

has gone to absolute shit because of it. So sure, maybe that's not gonna be my headline, because no one's gonna click on it, but if I can get someone to click on something else and still read that part, just so it can some, maybe change some sense of perspective. Yeah, that's why. But I know it's not gonna change,

and I'm not here to change the fucking world. Obviously not, I'm not a dumbass. It's a little disappointing that, you know, I understand this isn't in our country right here, what we're talking about, although we have, I mean, we have the whole drug market here, right? And we're buying, you know, we have our own crisis from that

But when you talk about the human cost on the ground in Mexico, it's this is a country that is literally in our backyard It's what it's it's I think the largest immigrant demographic in the United States as well. It is I Think Spanish have like is the most spoken language in the United States I think more people speak Spanish and English in the United States. I don't know, we can fact check that. It might not be that, but we get the point. Yeah. It's large. But I also do understand why people don't care about other people.

It's because they- You understand why? Like I can understand why. I don't say that I agree with it, and I don't think like that. Why is it? Because people are so busy caring about themselves. Why the fuck are, how, they don't have even the bandwidth to care about,

oh, this woman lost her son in Mexico and has spent the last decade searching for him and now has no relationship with her other living children. But I have to put food on the table for my kids, so, sucks. Sucks to sucks, sorry to hear that. That's literally how it goes. And I think that's also why people are so obsessed in a sensational way with watching this stuff,

with watching the true crime, the cartel stuff, organized crime, is because in a way, it's almost an escape for them from their harsh reality, and it takes them to a different harsh reality, and it doesn't necessarily mean that they feel compassion for what they're watching. It's more... entertainment escapism. Yeah. Which is fucked. It's more entertainment escapism. Yeah.

Which is fucked. It's fucked. But it's real. Yeah, that's the reality of it. Yeah. Have you, I mean, we've been talking about some of the human smuggling, obviously, like the tunnel in El Paso and all that, but since the Trump administration came in and is trying to crack down on the border, what has been the... the financial impact, I don't know,

on the coyotes and that business that the cartel has? Significant. If you look at American numbers, border cross, illegal border crossings have gone down hugely. I think it's like actually a... like, in history, it's some of the lowest it's ever been. It was a low bar. It was a low bar, honestly.

And so prices for crossing nearly doubled to pay a coyote to take you across the border. So technically, basically supply, this isn't a perfect way of saying it, but supply has gone down, but demand has gone up. I don't even know if demand has gone up simply because there is no supply of people who are willing to take you across the border.

Because there were so many seizures too of people illegally crossing the border, they were getting caught. The cartels and the coyotes really toned down operations because they were just, it just got to a point where everyone was just getting caught. So then also demand was going down because people kind of figured,

well, we're paying double to try to cross and the likelihood of us getting caught has gone up. So it's like a sunk cost that they can't afford. Because so many people, it's not like a lot of the people who get caught crossing the border, like it's not their first time trying to cross. It's not their first time getting caught. It's not their first time in the United States.

So imagine how much money that is, especially for someone who's literally working to pay to cross into the United States. And now you're telling me that, well, the price has gone up significantly, and so has the likelihood of me getting caught. Fuck, I don't know if I should take this risk again, because it is a huge financial risk.

Oh yeah. Have we seen like some of these corrupt NGOs that have been working like on our side of border as well literally sometimes directly with coyotes Have we seen some of them like disappear go underground? Honestly, I have no idea that's something that I haven't really dug into just cuz there's so much more like there's so much shit going on There's probably that's probably a whore. Hey question to be honest with you. That is a horny question. That's his border beat Have you talked with him recently? Yeah. Yeah all the question. That's his border beat. Have you talked with him recently? Yeah, yeah, all the time. How's he doing?

I haven't talked with him in like the last few months. He's locked in. He's killing it with the reporting on that border beat. He knows what's up. Yeah. And he gets good scoops. And he focuses on the smuggling more than anything. Yeah, that's his thing.

And he'll lock in because like when he found that story with the 10-year-old girl, I think, uh... He was the one, like, with News Nation that they called the number that she had. And they kept following that story, which I thought was really solid reporting, because I like to see that beginning to end. What's gonna happen to that person?

Okay, we know that this happened. Now what? And a lot of reporters are particularly like news outlets with a lot of bureaucracy won't follow through. And that's just, that's shitty reporting. That's weak journalism. It's also the supply line is crazy, how deep it goes. It's not one or two steps or three steps. I mean, even with the example of some of the Chinese nationals

who were going across the border, that shit was crazy. Did I show you Nick Shirley's thing that he found? Yes. I know. It's like 45 steps. Kay, you know what's funny that I didn't tell you about last time I was here, that when I was in Culiacan, because it was during the throes of the violence, no one was at my hotel.

Like, it was me and then the workers and, uh, like, maybe three women who went for, like, BBLs. And then, no, seriously, they were, like, leaving all bandaged, like, and, like, walking crooked. Stop doing that, ladies. Come on. I know. It looks terrible. It looks that, ladies. Come on. I know. It looks terrible. It looks terrible. It's so bad.

Yeah. I know. Okay, anyways. That's not the point. So it was me and them. And then when I would go outside to smoke, there was always this group of guys, like just... And they were foreign. They were speaking Turkish. And so I would sit there. I didn't interact and was he Turkish

No, why do you guys laughing? Why now is that a left field? It wasn't expected in Turkish guy. Neither did I so I Actually, it's so funny cuz I called my dad and I'm like listen to what they're saying because I think it's Turkish and he's like Yeah, it is. So we just know. Like, if the man doesn't speak Turkish, we're not Turkish, but just to confirm, you know? He's got, your dad's got the ear. Secondary source, he's got the talent. So anyways, I'm like, I'm not gonna really interact. I'm here to work though, but I was always in and out.

One night, there's a shoot, like, the city was basically on lockdown. It was a stay-in-place order, which happens pretty frequently. And so I'm sitting in the lobby because the internet was horrible. I'm working and they're sitting in the lobby and their wives are there. And they go, where are you from? And I'm like, I'm Canadian, but I'm actually working here.

And I kind of gave them the spiel and they go, okay, we, we didn't know what you were doing, like you just look out of place and I go, well, you guys are ones to talk because who the hell are you? What are you guys doing here? And? They gave me this story about oh, you know we're just like tourists Mexico that's always what they say just a tourist yeah in fucking cool Yeah, can you can't even leave the hotel right now all the way from Turkey? Then I get one-on-one with one of the wives and she goes we're trying to get to New Jersey so funny I know we're trying to get to New Jersey where are they where they actually went back they got here and they went back or

she went back she went back yeah we added each other on Instagram because oh shit she was having troubles well yeah I don't actually that's not my story to tell but okay basically um you um, you can tell me off-camera Yeah, I will I actually have a lot to tell you off-camera. Oh so anyways We get to talking and she goes we're just waiting for the call from the coyote So that we we have to take a flight from Culiacan to wherever and then we're gonna cross and then we're gonna finally get To New Jersey and we have some cousins there already. And so I thought that was so interesting

because everyone, first of all, it's not just, you know, the southern border is not just this open floodgate for Mexican immigrants. It's the world's floodgate. Exactly. And a lot of people have that misconception, and it's so blatantly wrong. And so they were from Turkey. They literally flew into Mexico,

and they were coming to New Jersey. Now, I forget where I was going with this, but I guess the point has been made. Yeah. Wow, wow, west down there. Put it that way. Basically, yeah. Did I ever connect you, I just thought of this randomly,

did I ever connect you with Luis Navia? No, you didn't. And you had actually mentioned that, I think. I should do that. So he was on my show, we did two episodes, I think it was 221 and 222. But he was legit, like, it was a real, the fucking 15 agencies took him down

in like 16 countries back in 2000. He was like the chief smuggling Expert for the cartels and was moving shit all over the world. He lived in Greece at one point He basically he said I work with every cartel except the Asian ones outside of that so he He's been obviously he's been out of that life for 25 years now, but he also back then like worked with the government to identify, you know, where some of the sources were coming

from and all that. So he's always like stayed with it with what's going on. But he said right now, I don't know if you've heard any inkling of this out there, but Ecuador is becoming, starting with the political structure at the top, is becoming like a hotbed for cartels. And I still have to talk to him about it more, but like, I think he was also saying like, there's something the Mexican cartels are doing

to funnel through there. It's so funny because people have been saying this to me, and I haven't had the time to dig into it, but it would not surprise me at all simply because they have such an unstable government right now Yeah, so it makes total sense and there has always been a sort of Ecuador cartel connection I gotta make that connection for you should talk with him. Yeah, he's always coming It's like you gotta see these fucking things and I'm in Ecuador right now. I shit's crazy, man No way. Yeah, and I want to know so bad cuz you connected me with Tommy and Tommy goes

Can you please go to San Alou and make sure it's We'll meet you there But he's got a kid so I get it Tommy has brass balls and he goes into all these day. I know places and is very brave It's just funny then when that same guy like when he'll call me up and be nervous about something like Tommy like you've been in worse proof vests in like the middle of gang wars like Yeah, you've already lived that life like why you get nervous now, man. It's good though that I think that's part of it That's part of him being brave. Yeah, he's Tommy does amazing work

I can Brandon Buckingham as well Like they go to the stories that people don't want to cover or get ignored and like it is cool to see Tommy doing more He's I can tell he's been calling me a lot about I could tell when he's really getting into something But like and he has the Mexico itch. That's I'm saying the cross-border stuff Involving the cartels. He is really getting into that right now. So there's gonna be he already put out like one document really TJ story Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Those are our same guys. Yeah Mm-hmm. He's gonna do more of that. So people stay tuned for that. What else you got coming up? Have you wait? Well, where have you been spending the time? Or do you not want to say that?

You don't have to say that. Not saying that. What a crazy question. Why can't you ask me that off camera? No, no, no. I don't mean like give me the town or whatever. I'm saying like if there's a regional area. Honestly, I've been between Mexico, US and Canada these past few months. That's really regional. But I'll take it. But seriously, because I've been covering both borders and I've been covering the cartel connection

that goes transnationally. So I've literally had to be everywhere. Someone actually, so Cash Patel was on Rogan, I think yesterday, yeah, yesterday. And he said the whole Canadian cartel connection thing again and someone tagged me in it on Twitter and said, it looks like we're not gonna be seeing much of you down south anymore, Kat, it's all in your backyard.

And I was like, I'm not fucking leaving. I'm not fucking leaving. Yeah, I'm gonna just keep. But it's everywhere, of course it's in your backyard there, but like, they're operating out of Mexico too. My backyard is huge, my backyard is fucking NAFTA at this point. So I'm everywhere because I want to cover all of it

and I want to be on the ground covering it. And I think that that's what a lot of my viewership appreciates, is that I just go and show them what's going on and I try to do it in the most raw, best of my ability. You know, like, vice style, back in the day. Yes, I agree. That's what I want to do. I want to show people exactly,

and they can form their own opinions. They can take my analysis and they can tell me to shove it up my ass or they can appreciate it It doesn't matter but I want to give as much thorough context as possible from where it's happening showing them With as if it's their own eyes basically or you're doing a great job. Thank you. I appreciate that so any Any last words any last words? Shit I wasn't gonna say that I got more of it fast. I might have been thinking I knew it but what are are there any? Wild stories you want to tease that you're working on right now or stuff. You don't want to talk Yeah, we can I really like go to watch my Borderland Dispatches. Link in description.

Because the great thing about that is, I have been given this opportunity to literally cover whatever I want. That's great. Yeah. It's a dream. So, I... Shout out to Rocco. Yeah.

And Bruna. She's a great producer. Thank you for everything you do. So I have been given the opportunity to show, if I think it's important, if I think the audience thinks it's important, I'm gonna go cover it. So, this crude oil thing, especially because it has ties to CJ and G, is really popping off.

So, and because there's this huge crackdown on fentanyl and human smuggling, I think that the cartels are going to start to put a lot of their attention and resources and energy into the crude oil to make it even more lucrative to the crude oil theft. So I'm gonna go to Brownsville and I'm gonna cover how they're getting it in and who the fuck is buying it. And also what I wanna cover that we always talk about is which American produce companies are buying

the avocados from the cartels. Because I know that- I wanna know all about that. Well baby, I've got names for you American produce companies are buying the avocados from the cartels because I know that I want to know all about that well baby I've got names for you and I've reached out to them and they keep telling me no comment wouldn't you think that as a company you would want to ensure to your audience or to your consumer that you are not importing cartel avocados from the cartels directly I would think you'd want to assure them that. Mm-hmm. So why aren't they ensuring them that?

You got any names yet or? Yeah, I do, actually. Let me pull it up. Ooh! I'll give you names. I'm gonna go check my sticker on my avocados out there. Oh, that would be sick if you had one of them. I have like 20 in the fridge. I eat at least one avocado every single day.

All right, avocado. That's good. Okay, so Mission Produce is one of. All right, avocado. That's good. It's very good for you. Okay, so mission produce is one of them that I was told. Mission produce. Yeah, and then. Bad mission produce. So I basically asked mission produce. I asked them a few questions, but one of the questions was

what protocols or safeguards do you have in place to verify that your suppliers are operating independently of cartel control or coercion I also asked them has Mission Produce made any sourcing changes in response to security threats or cartel related violence in Michoacan and Jalisco hi Katerina thank you for reaching out to Mission Produce unfortunately we aren't able to accommodate an answer to the topics mentioned. Thank you for your understanding. There's another one that I reached out to. Very disappointing, you Mission Produce.

Yeah. Don't buy avocados from Mission Produce. Then we got another one. Oh, there's more? There's one more brand that I reached out to.'s mission produce based out of I think California or Texas It's it's gonna be one of the two Sorry, let me pull it up And these are straight this is strictly based on the avocados. Mm-hmm. Okay

Deep's got it over here mission pro three stars on Google reviews. good none of those no no that's the wrong one what that's the wrong one actually that can't be it that would be fucking crazy swede's barrel the old studio was in malakia hill look they have even a mexico section right there so it is mission produce and they're based out of jersey god damn it why'd you have to find this deep there's Swedesboro it's definitely your fucking avocados and you know what's crazy I can't find the other company that I reached out to right now it was a few weeks ago execution then you know what's crazy though is you trying that figuratively not literally for YouTube reviewers. Oh, I'm like the audience will know that um

You tweeted that photo of avocado and you tagged me and you were like are my avocado is bad because the cartels are fighting Yeah, that shit you saw it was like half they probably fucking follow you on Twitter Especially if you guys are from the same state They're probably shitting a brick and that's why they didn't respond to my email properly. Because of my tweet about my bad avocado. Yeah, you're sabotaging my job. Sorry, didn't mean to do that. You're sabotaging Mission Produce.

I just want fresh avocados. I don't know why this is too much to ask, you know? We're good? I knew it was California. All right, sorry to... Wait, wait, wait. We got to apologize to our friends in Swedesboro. It's not you guys.

Let's make a note to edit out camera five from that part, from that Mission Produce. I don't want to defame anybody. So Mission Produce is based out of Oxnard, California, found in... Now, actually, probably that's their... that's one of their logistics centers, maybe. Maybe. Okay, the point is what their that's one of their logistic centers, maybe Maybe okay. The point is What we have to really give a discretion for is that this is all alleged

We don't know that's right If they are sourcing their avocados from farms that are run by cartels and if they are Allegedly or whatever, you know, I'm alleging here, but if they are, we don't know if they know that that's what's happening. Okay? So they could be innocent. Yeah. Yeah.

For the sake of legal rights. That's right. For the sake of legal rights, they could be innocent. We are making no claims right here. So whatever lawyer is watching this, you have no case. It's totally alleged, there's no case. Totally alleged. There's

no case in court. Speculation. In fact, I'll bet your clients are squeaky clean. You don't have to go that hard into it. They've never done anything wrong. They don't even know what a cartel is. Are you their lawyer now? Jesus. Hypothetically, we've got to do damage control right now. No, actually though. Yeah. Cause I, I, I do have to look at that just to see if that's the same company in all fairness in all seriousness Too to see if that's the same company and that's just I'll show you their logo so that bleep it if not Yes, hold on. Let me actually give you the give me the what the logo so that you can make sure that that's actually Yeah, yeah, send that to me and that's perfect red and blue. All right, cool

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