Julian Dorey Podcast - #331 - WWE's Enzo Amore on Getting FIRED for False R**e Accusations, Post Malone & Aliens | 331

Starting point is 00:00:00 What really goes on behind the curtain in WWE. So the last match that I ever had in the WWE was actually the first ever cruiserweight tour in WWE history. I'm wrestling my mentor. Dusty Road sucked gold dust. And at the end of the match, Dudley Boys come out, do the thing. Why's that? I go backstage, I've lost my title, I get through the shit. And at that moment, I had created shirts, and it said on it,

Starting point is 00:00:22 today is the best day of my life. I can't wait for tomorrow. And I got fired the next day. I'm not one of those who complains about his situation. because I'm doing an autograph signing with Big Cass. The next day, I fly home. Between the time that I saw Cass at 10 p.m. And this next morning, he's cleared 2.30 racks, three bottles of jack.

Starting point is 00:00:40 Like, cases of wine. No human can drink this much, except for fucking Andre the Giant and probably Big Cass. He's trying to kill himself. This guy gets his shit together. Signs a wrestling contract for AEW and All In making a real comeback. What a fucking story. Brother, they tell you don't meet your heroes because they'll let you down. I met them all.

Starting point is 00:00:59 You want to talk about somebody who is hilarious? Hey, guys, if you're not following me on Spotify, please hit that follow button and leave a five-star review. They're both a huge, huge help. Thank you. You know, the guy that I got introduced to through Mickey Gall, the UFC fighter, Mickey's a Jersey guy, fucking badass. He's famously known as a guy who choked out C.M. Punk.

Starting point is 00:01:32 No shade of punk. He got in the octagon. Give him credit. But nonetheless, this guy's a badass, shoot badass, Mickey Gall from Jersey. And he's a fighter, and he's into comedy and podcasting, and he works with a guy named Gerard. And they're funny and they're wild. And they introduced me to Tommy G. Who...

Starting point is 00:01:54 Not my Tommy G. Not your Tommy G. Right. Tommy G from Jersey, robbed a bank. all right went to jail got out of jail went to wall street made a shit ton of money he went to wall street then started tipping off books and creating lines for sports books created a discord where people could get his betting tips and uh he he was the guy who who who mickey famously introduced me to and i was like bro you're fucking like i think i know crazy motherfuckers like this guy's fucking

Starting point is 00:02:21 bad shit crazy in the best way possible because you can't offend me like i just i it's it's not in my nature bro be be you be crazy, say whatever the fuck you want, dude. As long as you ain't hurting nobody physically, you know what I'm saying? I don't give a fuck what you do. And so if our state had a mascot, I feel like you'd be it. I've been him for a minute, man. And we talk about him.

Starting point is 00:02:44 I just came back from this morning. I'll break this groundbreaking news right here. Fucking Six Flags, Great Adventure. Jackson, New Jersey. Oh, yeah. Come on back. Exit 7A. Exit 7A.

Starting point is 00:02:58 Fucking great town. Now, Gotham City is a great fucking town. It's a great town to run a wrestling show, if you ask me. So currently I am the flyweight champion at Fourth Rope. Yeah, this is one of the nicest titles in pro wrestling. I would like to, remember, you can only be canceled by your boss. That's right. That is absolutely right.

Starting point is 00:03:19 We're going to get to that, but that is absolutely right. You can only be canceled by your boss, the guy who pays you. That's right. And my boss used to sell crack. I mean, what? Shout out West Side Gunn. Shout out smoke dizzles. And we're out here.

Starting point is 00:03:37 So I wrestle for the flyest fucking wrestling promotion in the world. There's a new wrestling promotion in town. It's called Fourth Rope. And I am the fucking mayor of this town. Shout out OG Russ. Down a block. We're in Holboken. Me and you both see each other passing.

Starting point is 00:03:52 Every goddamn day. Every fucking day. So we initially said, You had a mutual friend of mine, Ferg, shout out my man Finn, Baller, Finn Ballard, Finn Ballard. Finn Baller's really name, you know, but he is, so I have an Irish passport. And, you know, nobody, Fergel knew that when I was in WWE, but I'd never been over to fucking Europe and I had never been to fucking Ireland. Wait, whoa, whoa, whoa, your stage name is Enzo Amore. Enzo Amore. And you got an Irish passport.

Starting point is 00:04:22 Yeah, bro. She took on a life of itself, didn't it? I guess so. So, no, so I'm half Irish. Fucking my mom, her mom, her dad, so my grandpa, my grandma are from Ireland. They're from Roscommon, the West Side, Galway area, got a lot of family still in Ireland. And my family migrated over here. I actually do true shit. Swear to my grandmother.

Starting point is 00:04:46 So my grandmother passed away in 2020, 2019. So I have a song out there called Grace by Real One. it's a real beautiful song it's touched a lot of lives and when I meet people in public settings and they come to my meet and greets and they bring this up it means more to me than any of the wrestling shit does so it's a beautiful

Starting point is 00:05:07 my brother makes music videos he's you know he's done a lot of DP work for lyrical lemonade Cole Bennett Cole Bennett's a genius and my brother's a genius as well and he proved his worth with my first music video Phoenix so my little brother makes this

Starting point is 00:05:23 video Phoenix next thing you know he's on all these Jack Harlow projects, DP on a project for Post Malone, the song called Motley Crew on the NASCAR track. That's my brother's shot. So those pictures you see Post walking in the NASCAR outfit that came from my brother's lens. And a lens is a beautiful thing.

Starting point is 00:05:39 The way he sees the world is not quite the way I see it. Obviously, I don't have that talent. I think it's wonderful and remarkable. But my brothers have more success in his line of work than really I've had in mine. And I'm a two-time cruiserweight champion of the world in the WWA. You've held your own. I've held my own, bro, but my brother's doing his own fucking thing, and I'm so proud of him.

Starting point is 00:06:00 A. A. Cinema, Brett aren't working, you know, he's, he's, he's got agents at Gersh and the whole nine, and he's fucking, he makes my family proud. He's got a beautiful wife. They live in Santa Monica, and it's a wonderful thing to see that, you know, what is success? If you ask me, success is unto others, right? How are the people that you grew up with? uh how many opportunities do you provide to other people right and i know that people have their feelings

Starting point is 00:06:27 about you know my old boss vince mcman um and to that i always say like man say what you want about what the guy does in the bedroom uh but he's doing it in the bedroom and i'm not invited bro i've never been invited to the gang bang i would like to put that out there never been invited to the gang bank get that crying meme up there how are the vince mcman gangbangs uh no no Damn it, man. Look, and I love Vince. I don't give a fuck what anybody says. He changed my life, and he did it way before he changed my life as a, as a, as a, uh, employee.

Starting point is 00:06:58 How do you feel about that? I was a kid, man. I know, I know. I just loved the shit as a kid. I know, but ends up. So those are memories provided to me by a guy and a brain and a, and a remarkable, uh, you know, vision that he had, much like Walt Disney. Like, we could sit here, we could scrutin us fucking Walt Disney, right? but how many of you kids grew

Starting point is 00:07:17 how many kids grew up on that shit, love that shit and you know we're better because of it probably or had a dream or a goal and really you know fuck man when it came to the era of attitude as they would call it in WWA

Starting point is 00:07:34 I mean I was just running around the school screaming suck it you know fucking suck it suck it dude fucking super kick bro and it's like damn that affected me yeah you're right Yeah, I knew what I need to do, bro. Shaw Michaels won the Royal Rumble.

Starting point is 00:07:49 He entered number one. And you've got to remember, this shit's real to me. Right? He wins the Royal Rumble. He enters number one, and he's the smallest guy in it. But when he wins, the ultimate prize, bro. Pamela Anderson. Now, if you were a kid at that time.

Starting point is 00:08:06 Hey, listen, Pamela. She's still got a slider. Have you seen all this? No makeup on. Yeah. Pam. Yeah. Pam out here, no makeup one.

Starting point is 00:08:20 Put the makeup back on. Listen, listen, it's still Pamela Anderson. We show some respect around here. No, no, no. Have you seen what makeup can do? No, I understand. Have you seen the pictures of these crackheads that present themselves as fucking females?

Starting point is 00:08:34 Yes. That go into sex fucking drug and get, get fucking caught up in the moment. And all of a sudden, you ever see that? What's his name, bro? That fucking guy in Florida. chief that arrests people and press conferences,

Starting point is 00:08:48 Brady something or other. Now pull some of that shit up. That's good entertainment. Are you talking about the guy who like welcomes people at the airport to Florida? He's like, welcome to Florida. You've been extra ready to here for like, there's a fucking sheriff in town out there in Florida.

Starting point is 00:09:02 When he throws guys in there, dude, he'll fucking have a whole press conference and just tell it how it is. And I promise you, his name is like, Grady or Brady. This guy's top, fuck, bro. This is some of the best entertainment on. Bro, I was out in Florida hanging out

Starting point is 00:09:17 my fucking buddy. Shout out DJ Lughead. I'm hanging out at the Lughead's house, right? And fucking, dude, he just starts playing this live stream for everybody and all the Floridians, okay? I lived in Florida for five years. I can't tell. Florida. America's basement.

Starting point is 00:09:32 Right. Bro, some of the fucking people you see out there, the leather jackets on these corners, dude, these fucking... There's a crackhead of a different type in Florida, of a different type. And they got leather skin. And I've seen some special. So there's a guy out here making a whole scene of what these people are doing. Did we find any of it?

Starting point is 00:10:02 Have I fucking... Grady, the sheriff, this guy? Oh, yeah, here he is. Oh, I have seen this guy. It's not who I was thinking of. Oh, my God, this guy. When I lived in Florida, bro, when I lived in Florida, this guy put out the best content going to.

Starting point is 00:10:13 This guy was Logan Ball before Logan Paul, and he wasn't even trying to be. He was just putting out YouTube footage, and I couldn't get enough of them. He was just telling you about the guys that dress up like girls, and then you catch the fucking teacher in the fucking, you know, turn pike parking lot on 95 fucking fucking fucking fucking fucking fucking fucking fucking fucking fucking fucking fucking fucking fucking fucking. He says it. He just, he found a pair of shoes. What does he have to say about these shoes? Hit me.

Starting point is 00:10:37 Shout out Waleigh with the white shoes, the fucking Jerry Seinfeld. all right here we go is this what we're looking for quotes of the year this is his best of this is best shit yeah to hit the volume button on youtube on youtube jo it's way low there this guy is good shit brother this i i'm scared he's good shit there we go hear what i said did you hear me did you hear me do you hear me do you hear what i said understand what deviants these people really are you know i had a wish you were here vacation. It was at the county jail. This is a peaceful protest. This is a riot. This is a picture of Christopher. It's a very nice picture in his state prison outfit. You see, if you live, the next thing

Starting point is 00:11:33 you can try to steal is something off of your food tray at the county jail. Look at the Santa's back there. He's a bad man. The southern gentleman who's not, who's now a battery suspect, who is. Some people are slow learners. This is peaceful protest. This is violence. Charged him with 408 counts of child pornography. Did you hear me?

Starting point is 00:12:02 Did you hear me? So she offers this truck for sale for $200 and says the owner of it's not going to need it any longer because they've been murdered. Did you hear what I said? Did you hear me? Did you hear me? He was purchasing sold underwear. This is like the compilation of your favorite point star that ain't what you wanted.

Starting point is 00:12:27 All right, that's good, you can't. Oh, my God. All right, brother. He can do a lot better if you look into this guy, he's fucking good shit. But yeah, so makeup does wonders for pro wrestlers as well. This episode is brought to you by prize picks. Preseason football is underway and college football season is here. So don't miss any of the action this football season on prize picks.

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Starting point is 00:14:19 I see you now. I mean, holy shit, brother, I've never a motherfucker put on a makeup in my life. I refuse to shave my chest. I'm not one of those, man. I never put on the underwear. And I'm going to be honest with you. I'm going to be honest with you guys. When I was a kid, it meant something to me what the wrestler wore to the ring.

Starting point is 00:14:37 That was a big cool and it fact. Right. Sean Michaels had the coolest shit, dude. And he scored Pamela Anderson by beating 29 other men in the Royal Rumble and entering first. And I knew damn well what I needed to do. Right? I needed to fucking win the Royal Rumble, bro. And I needed to get Pamela Anderson. So makeup, no makeup. I'm still in, Pam. If you ever want to fucking, you know. Liam Neeson might have something to say about that. Jump back into the wrestling biz. Oh, is Liam Nelson with that? Oh, Liam. You haven't seen this? They're the new it couple, bro. Oh, my God. Yeah, I know. He's about to call you and tell you he has a very specific set of skills. skills to make him a big danger to people like you i would not lean on that i'll still love you pami i'll stop brother i'll get taken for pamp we we got to pull this up they're like the it couple bro he's in the new he's in the new uh naked gone right they're feeding each other this is unbelievable i know holy i know so his wife she's like the new fucking what is she going to get by she got a talk show yet no they tv hand out keep it pure get the podcast going to keep it she's like barbara walters now Look at her ass.

Starting point is 00:15:40 No, no podcast, keep it pure. And he looks like fucking, fucking Harrison Ford. He looks the same, bro. I mean, he's got that side shot when his jaw had a little fucking turkey on it. Not, not at a time, bro. His shit was stretched out a little bit. Let's say. This shit looked like, even though his nuts hit the ground, dog.

Starting point is 00:16:00 That guy's Betty Sagan. Liam Newson has an age. Liam Nusson is Betty Saggers. And fucking nuts is hitting him into his hit Pam in the fucking shit. Pam in the fucking stomach They're coming underneath Wacking it Wack you

Starting point is 00:16:13 Wack in a whack This guy's got many shaggers Look at that gaggle around his neck The ball got out of it I'll tell you right now Pam he can still get it I don't give a fuck

Starting point is 00:16:25 And hey You know what Shout out my love of my life Lisa I think she might give me a pass on that No shout out Lisa Ann She's big on a fantasy football shit too That's my homegirl

Starting point is 00:16:36 I was in a cartoon with Lisa Ann. That's right. Made by Ashton Coochard and Milakunis. They were cartooning her in her in her prime? Brother, she's the voice of a cartoon character that plays the mom of wrestlers in a trailer park

Starting point is 00:16:53 made by Milakunis and it's available in NFT form though. It's a crypto cartoon. Oh my God. And they made this cartoon called The Gimmicks. Are you not in jail yet? And it's me Gallows and Anderson in these wrestlers that were in this group called the Bullet Club. And in the WWE, they wrestled me in a ladder match on WrestleMania 33

Starting point is 00:17:16 against the Hardy Boys and Seamus and Cizaro. So, yeah, these guys and Rocky Romero, who's a wrestler in New Japan. So we had the show. It was like a cartoon called The Gimmicks, and it was like a South Park type cartoon. And Lisa Ann was the fucking voice of the woman on the show. Classic. She was hosting a show with Raymond, right? She does a lot of football shit.

Starting point is 00:17:43 Fantasy football, man. She's cool people, bro. My buddy Christian, shout out to Bill's Supper Club on the Upper West Side. You're going to go eat there sometime. I've heard of that. Yeah, it's a great spot, man. And Christian introduced me to Lisa. There you go.

Starting point is 00:17:58 It's interesting, though, to hear you going back what you were saying a few minutes ago. Talk so positively of your time at WWE, because it did, change your life. And, you know, you rode that wave for six, seven years there. Yeah. And they're in there a while and everything. And you seem to have a lot of respect for Vince McMahon. But I got to ask. Yeah, like, look, man, I don't give a fuck. Like when I was talking about it earlier, I said to you, you know, when you provide opportunities onto others, success for the people around you, you know, the first it starts with the people closest, right? Keep, you know, keep your circle small and keep the squares out of it. And, and help your family,

Starting point is 00:18:33 right? And you provide jobs, right? Well, think about the amount of employment, even for union workers that he employs when he comes to town when the when the NBA when the NFL comes to town it's like okay when we're a wrestling show and we come in on a Monday night and we're showing a fucking raw and you're at New York City you got union workers that come in because you can't hire anybody else and they get fucking work an opportunity and you see people there until 4 o'clock in the morning shoveling fucking cable through their fucking legs all right and that's just the guy that he's helping out when he's swinging through town and people forget about But, you know, never bite the hand that feed you.

Starting point is 00:19:08 We put a little fucking money in your pocket. Like, you know, so my loyalty was, you know, if you talk to Eric or if you're talking to Enzo, because I could cut a promo and, you know, play the character and fucking, you know, bury WWE. Eric was your original name. No, Eric is my real name in real life. But are you talking about the character or yourself?

Starting point is 00:19:28 Eric is at me. The human sitting here at this table is Eric. Not a far cry from fucking Enzo. So Enzo will. Moray is a name owned by WWE. My name and likeness now, my IP, my insignia, my logo, what I own and copyright trademark is a real one, R-E-A-L-N-U-A-L-N-1. So you can't use Enzo Amorei for your own product. It's funny, though, I was just on a show, you know, I'm wrestling presently as the flyweight champion at the newest, hottest wrestling promotion in the world called Fourth Rope.

Starting point is 00:20:01 Zilla Fatu is the heavyweight champion. The Hardy Boys are the tag team champions. I'm the flyweight champion. I'm so blessed to have that opportunity. I really mean it. I'm a soldier for Smoke Dizzin, West Side Gun. If they ever need anything for me, in the ring, out of the ring, I'm always there. So, you know, I'm at the ground floor or something really special.

Starting point is 00:20:22 And it's something that, you know, I've been able to visualize and recognize when I'm in it, because I've been in it before. And, you know, when you're a part of something special, I was a part of something really special. And if you don't know wrestling, when I got signed in 2011 was my tryout. I started on July 1st, 2012. And there was a recent article that really touched my heart from my favorite pro wrestler, actually. If you ask me who my favorite wrestler is, it's Rick Flair's daughter, Charlotte. Charlotte Flair.

Starting point is 00:20:55 Why you like her? Ashley. I started with Ashley July 12th. I mean, so July 2nd of 2012. And when we started our journey together, there was a bunch of us there. She was Rick Flair's daughter, man. That's a lot of fucking pressure, bro. That's a lot, right?

Starting point is 00:21:12 Legend. And a lot of hate, probably a lot of side eye and a lot of thinking, you know, she's getting opportunities that I deserve her, blah, blah, blah. And it was actually only a handful of us that survived that first group, but we're the first group of people that were brought in by Triple H. Paul LeBeck. And he took over talent relations. So when I came in or, you know, hiring talent, you know, I think when he got in that situation,

Starting point is 00:21:37 Vince McMahon kind of looked at him was like, what do you think we need to do as the C.O.O. of the company? And it was like invest in talent. I think we needed the next crop of stars. And so he went about doing that, and he did it. I mean, he created NXT. And when I say it was a part of something special,

Starting point is 00:21:54 that was it. I was a part of NXT. But you didn't have, the story is impressive because it's not like you came up through the wrestling circuits or anything. No, I never wrestled. They found you in a gym somewhere. How'd this all go down? So I never wrestled before in my life, but when I always wanted to be a wrestler,

Starting point is 00:22:10 and when I say that, it's like, bro, I can't even fucking reiterate it. Dude, they didn't teach me shit in school. I learned how to fucking read and write, but then I took all my classes in a library. I knew I wanted to be a wrestler, and I couldn't understand why a teacher was trying to tell me what to do. And I'm like, I can make more money working with my fucking hands on a moving truck working for my fucking football coach, Gino, then you guys are getting paid as school teachers. Right. And I understand that, and I'm only fucking 12, 11.

Starting point is 00:22:33 and I'm looking at a teacher like I don't need algebra I don't fucking care about science I don't care about reading them writing because I know how to do enough and if I can fucking write it out I don't care if I spell it wrong if I understand it I can speak words and this is all I need because I want to be a pro wrestler

Starting point is 00:22:50 and I know what I want to do and that's your problem you got a bunch of people here that don't know what the fuck they want to do they're a bunch of kids and they're scared to shoot for the fucking stars and they want to be a fucking fireman they want to be this but they don't know. Do I want to be a fireman? Do I want to be a police officer? Do I want to join the army? Do I want to have a desk job? They don't know what they want to do. They're going into college undecided. And I went to Springfield College in Massachusetts because that's where the WWE champion played football. No shit. I didn't know that. So I was like, let me just chase John Cena's ass down.

Starting point is 00:23:23 You were playing football, right? So I played in the north. We were talking about our buddy. Shout out Chas Savino. Shout out Chas Savino. Chas Savino is a good kid. He was episode 40 on this. telling you he's younger to me bro i don't fucking believe it no he's he's born in 87 he's like a year but he might be one of them younger 80 or older 80 well he went in them kids that are a sophomore when i'm a senior but i'm born in 86 bro he was west welker before west well he was he's old enough to be that he was dirty 40 he played quarterback he played quarterback at high school and safety so here's how i got in the wwe as you were mentioning okay

Starting point is 00:23:58 so i know chas sabino through defranco's gym um and joe defrancoe created a speed program and a strength program at a speed school called Parisi. I believe at the time, Phil Sims sent his sons at the time, Chris Sims, Matt Sims, big names in the local football, New Jersey, Tri-State area. This is where all the best

Starting point is 00:24:17 went to train. Parisi's. Jodafranco leaves there, creates his own thing. And he really takes with him the best athletes. And Brian Cushing, NFL rookie of the year, played in USC for a fucking kid was a stud.

Starting point is 00:24:31 played against Texas and in the fucking national championship started as a freshman, right? It was Vince Young. Vince Young, yeah, yeah, yeah. Vince Young's famous game. But I was pulling for Brian. I mean, I hated what they did to Notre Dame every year.

Starting point is 00:24:46 Shout out my cousin, Billy Lyons, who's out at Bergen Catholic now. They just won a state championship, but he was a freshman. Got a varsity letter stood on the sidelines at MetLife. Didn't get in the game, I don't think. But fuck it, dude, freshman, varsity letterman. Good for him.

Starting point is 00:25:00 Good for him. We're proud of him as a fan. And he's got the last name of Lyons from my Irish side with the Irish passport. I'll bring these things back around. So I'm half, I'm half fucking Irish. I'm a quarter Italian and a quarter German. You're only a quarter Italian? Quarter Italian. My dad's half German, half Italian.

Starting point is 00:25:16 I feel like my whole life's a lie now. Half Italian. Enzo Omore's quarter Italian. I got fucking. That's like what you found out the Niro's only quarter Italian. It just ruins it. Does it? Yeah, a little bit.

Starting point is 00:25:26 I'm sorry about that. You know, they used to call him fucking, fucking, you ever see that you ever see the fucking video to fucking old timeers that hang out in the hood that De Niro grew up in and they're like, well, you should call him fucking Indian mob. Look it up. It's good shit. They just bury him. You were working out at the Franco's.

Starting point is 00:25:47 That's what you were saying. De Niro came up like, how do you know me by that name? You know, and they're like, You're talking to me? Well, you should kick you around when you were a fucking kid. Get the fuck out of it. These old timers, they lived on his block, bro. They're still sitting there.

Starting point is 00:26:01 talking shit. But yeah, I'm working out at the Franco's gym with your buddy, Chad Savino. Shout out Joe DeFranco. He's changed a lot of lives, man. He's a real motivator. Stand up and give him a proper shout out because I understand he's forever tied to you.

Starting point is 00:26:16 Joe DeFranco right there. You know, and he's fucking chaggy legs. You got a tattoo of another man on your body. And I ain't even in that one either. You got a tattoo of another man's name on your body. That's interesting. Yeah, you know, it's funny because my brother-in-law I won't even wear somebody's jersey because it has a

Starting point is 00:26:31 name and i got this tattoo uh but you know i got hey man i got uh it changed my life and to that point it changed other people's lives man and there's uh kings and queens out here walking this earth that that owe a lot of uh loyalty to joe de franco so i would never say a damn thing uh but positive things about wb my experience there you know at this age you know like bro i i'm fucking seven eight years removed from being there you know what i'm saying and i'm still making a living I'm the fourth rope flyweight champion of the newest promotion And I haven't wrestled for another major wrestling promotion Since I left WWA

Starting point is 00:27:09 In 2018 2018 So I've been gone out of these streets for a long time But I played the waiting game because honestly I just didn't see a place where I fit And I never made the call I never picked up the phone and contacted You know WWE and asked them for my job back

Starting point is 00:27:23 So you never did I mean look look it's that that's why I'm like I'm always impressed when people can look at the bigger picture of stuff, especially when it's personal and hits close to home. Because let's be honest here. In society, we have a problem with the apology, not only not being as loud as the accusation, but louder than the accusation when that's proven false. And you, provably, by everything that came out publicly, were completely railroaded and had

Starting point is 00:27:52 your career at WWE ripped from you out of nowhere and got no- they just said, all right, you're fucking gone. were accused of a horrible thing, and it was then proven in evidence in court. It didn't mean go to court. Well, I never went to court. I never got a fucking phone call for the cops. I never got a phone call from police. Never spoke to anyone.

Starting point is 00:28:10 Some girls, for people out there. Some girl accuses you or something. And it went viral on Twitter on the 25th anniversary of Monday Night Raw. Now, here's a little play for you, okay. On the 25th anniversary of Monday Night Raw, I walk in a building, all right? I'm in Brooklyn. And something's going viral on the internet that I'm not even aware of yet. and I see Stone Cold and Bubba Ray in the hallway

Starting point is 00:28:31 and I'm like fucking this is the biggest Monday night raw of all fucking time bro of all time and I'm featured in a three hour thread of the show I get the script for the show I'm wrestling my mentor Dusty Road Sun Gold Dust in a full fucking circle moment in my life I'm the cruiserweight champion

Starting point is 00:28:50 it's a non-title match I'm wrestling gold dust and at the end of the match the Dudley boys come out and they and I have it grew up with me at that time as a cruiserweight champion. We're doing 205 live cruiserweight tours. So the last match that I ever had in the WWE was actually the first ever cruiserweight tour in WWE history. We were doing so well as a unit, the cruiser weights, that they ended up putting us on tour. So I ended up in Poughkeepsie, New York, having my last match there against Cedric Alexander and retaining the title. And I show up to Monday Night Raw the next day with the title.

Starting point is 00:29:28 And when I get there, I go through rehearsals with gold dust and a fucking ring. I'm fucking seeing Bubba on the Stone Cold talking about them. Then I get to a point where I'm, okay, now we're going to do you. And all the legends of pro wrestling that are featured in the 25th anniversary show are going to come play poker with you at a table with this gang called the APA, which is the Acolyte Protection Association. And they are Ron Simmons and John Bradshaw, Layfield, JBL. and they're going to be playing poker and you're going to put your title up

Starting point is 00:29:58 because they're going to get you down to your skibbies and you're going to go fucking wrestle gold dust and your underwear and your Jordans the last things you got left because you had to make a choice do you want your underwear or Jordans or the title and I'll come back and play poker when I get back.

Starting point is 00:30:10 So I'm going to come back. I'm going to wrestle gold dust. I'm going to come back and then when the script, this is what I've been handed, this is fucking biggest raw of all time. I go back and at that moment

Starting point is 00:30:22 I go backstage. I've lost my title. I get through the shit. Dudley boys come out, put me through a table, do the thing, where they jump off the top rope and he's got my legs held open and he head butts me in the nuts with my underwear on. And I fucking go through these rehearsals, bro. I'm in the building.

Starting point is 00:30:40 The craziest shit about this is and all the WW guys will tell you it's true. I gave them all a shirt. I had created shirts of my own brand. I had already trademark and copyrighted real one. And I don't know why I did this. God did Like I just did this God did I swear

Starting point is 00:30:58 I gave them shirts And it said on it Today is the best day of my life And on the back it said I can't wait for tomorrow Bro I handed out those shirts To everyone in the WWE locker room And I got fucking fired the next day

Starting point is 00:31:13 Bro I mean what did that feel like though Because it came out of left So I'm at the fucking arena And then I see people kind of looking at me Fucking sideways And I'm in the thing. It's like MVP, this wrestler, the Accolate Protection Association.

Starting point is 00:31:30 It's like a bunch of ECW greats. And we're playing poker going through. We're going through this walkthrough. And I get pulled into Vince's office. Oh, they pulled you right to him. And I pulled, and went straight to Vince. And they go, you got to go. And I'm like, what do you mean?

Starting point is 00:31:44 He said, you got to go home. We'll call you. I'm like, wait, what? So I'm like, he's a, and then I, I, I had no idea. No, I had just found out when I was talking to people. And then I went and talked to this guy, Drew Gulak, who was in my faction. And we were doing the thing together when I found out. So when I found out.

Starting point is 00:32:04 So I, like, this shit's gone viral. And I just go into Vince's office and he tells me to go to fuck home. And then I pull my phone out because I'm not stupid. And I think I got a moment in my life that's so big that it's bigger than me. And I just started recording myself as I left Barclays. And I have like a fucking 45-minute video of me driving all the way down the New Jersey Turnpike. I don't even know if I stopped recording until I got to my sister's house in Delaware.

Starting point is 00:32:34 And I was just so angry and so mind-blown and just so everything. And then the next day I was at my sister's house. And they called me. It was actually Mark Carrano at the time. It was no longer with the company. And he said, you know, this is too much heat. We're going to have to let you go. But the crazy shit about it,

Starting point is 00:32:51 is that, bro, I'm playing this character at the time. That's a bad guy, a heel. And this is the only world where you want to be a bad guy and get people to hate you and scream for you and boo you. What a unique business. So I'm hated by the wrestling community now because they flip me heel, which, by the way, the day that they flipped me heel was I went out to the ring

Starting point is 00:33:16 and I cut this promo with the Miz. And the Miz airs out all this, like, like, rumors and all these all these uh just jab after jab at me and i'm told by vince mcman himself and and the writers and and triple h you rebuttal and you're getting fired or flipping you heel is essentially what was happening they're going to bury you and you're the best on the microphone in the world right in my opinion i'm i nobody can fucking touch me at that time and to this day i mean i'll eat them up and spit them out me the first thing come out my mouth that ain't true

Starting point is 00:33:51 So I'm sitting there, and I'm fucking, I'm like, bro, I got to be able to rebuttal. Like, I can't stand out there and just let somebody bury me on a microphone when I'm known as Smack Talker Skywalker. Like, and you're going to fucking turn me heel, but you guys don't understand that everywhere I go, there's little kids that are doing my dance and wearing my fucking wig. That I've never cursed on a fucking microphone in my whole career. I've never been seen with a beer in my hand in a photo. I've never gone out and done. I have a squeaky, clean image as far as, like, what I present to the world. Now, that's where there's rifts.

Starting point is 00:34:30 I ended up at a strip club one time, and it got outed, and it comes out all over the internet. Okay, well, whatever. I'm a rock star, unbeknownst to you. I'm fucking living the craziest fucking laugh at him. Oh, yeah, dude, there's no denying. There was a touch of Rick Flair And a touch of the tism And it wasn't nepotism, bro

Starting point is 00:34:55 All right? I was fucking I was not born into this life, brother. I had never been backstage before. I couldn't believe in this life I was living. I mean, imagine going to a place where everywhere you go, there's a party.

Starting point is 00:35:11 And everywhere you go, there's women falling on your lap. And you're young coming up. Everywhere you go, they want to buy you a drink. Yeah. And bro, this is all I ever wanted my life. I used to cut promos and tell

Starting point is 00:35:20 lies on the line to get into the club, you know? It's like Big Cass that guy over there. He's a fucking pitcher for the fucking Yankees, dude. He's a tight end for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. You didn't know? I'd be, before my partner, Big Cass and I were on TV. Was that before at Google?

Starting point is 00:35:37 Yeah, man. Yeah, before the fucking, bro, we were making phone calls. You know what I'm saying? Texting in T-9, dude. Uh-huh. Getting these edits in to keep up with two podcasts a week is still running right up. against the last 24 hours every single time.

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Starting point is 00:37:44 we'll get it. Yeah, so big cast is seven feet tall. Shout out my partner in crime, William Patrick Morrissey, the third. His real name is way better than his work name, but big bill. And I'm the opposite. My work name's way better under my real name. So we'll leave it at that. Enzoa more.

Starting point is 00:38:01 Enzormor, hey, shout out to the company that owns that T.K.O. You don't know me, but I know you. So, yeah, the company I work for in. Now, Fourth Rope is a lot of fun, bro. And we are doing something really special. As I was mentioning, I had groundbreaking news. And I just came from Six Flags Great Adventure, who we're partnering with on October 30th in Jackson, New Jersey,

Starting point is 00:38:27 for the biggest Halloween costume contest and pro wrestling curated by Fourth Rope, a fourth Rope takeover of Six Flags Great Adventure. We'll have rides running with VIPs. The Hardy Boys will be there wrestling with the tag team title. Zillifah 2, the heavyweight champ, real one, fourth rope flyweight champ, West Side Gun, smoked is a musical guests and a hell of a lineup of talent ranging from AEW talent and TNA talent.

Starting point is 00:38:59 We got the coolest pro wrestling show in a world, man, and it's infused with music and wrestling. So basically the first 10 minutes are a couple songs, and then you got an hour and a half hour and 20 of wrestling, and then a concert for the last 15, 20, 20. usually the last 30 minutes and we try to keep it to two hours tight. It's a production. If you've

Starting point is 00:39:19 seen the show Unreal, we've really pulled the curtain down as a company. You know, the WWE has really, when I was there, there was none of what you're seeing now. What do you mean? It just did a show on Netflix called Unreal. It's

Starting point is 00:39:35 the number one show on Netflix. And they opened a whole new lane of content that is going to change the world that I live in forever and if you don't see that then you're not a visionary and I've seen it for a long time coming I thought that once they start breaking down the fourth wall that you're going to see something really special what it takes what do you mean by that so unreal so pro wrestling has always had the lore of was it real was it not coming up and you know if you know what a mark is in pro wrestling it's a fan

Starting point is 00:40:07 of wrestling and they think they're smart to the business so what does that mean what is k-fabe k-fabe is when we used to think wrestling was real quote-unquote you know and this was a circus this was a traveling circus and pretend that the tales is oldest time that we get the toughest guy in town

Starting point is 00:40:26 and he's in on it and the other toughest guy in town's in on it so they're fighting each other but if you tell them that it's fucking fake they'll beat the shit out of you right that's a fucking brilliant move let's take this around the world yeah yeah so that's the gladiators right here That's the first episode Russell Crowe right here

Starting point is 00:40:44 He played James J. Braddock In a movie called Cinderella Man Brilliant movie Shout out to State of Fitness Boxing Club If you ever really want to see me I have a boxing gym music studio On 73rd Street in Bergen line In North Bergen, New Jersey

Starting point is 00:40:56 And we got guys in there That ain't faking it dude They're punching each other Oh yeah And that ain't what I do bro Okay, I talk shit I talk shit And if you hit me

Starting point is 00:41:06 I'll fucking quit What the fuck is wrong with you All right, what the fuck? I'm not supposed to tell them that. No, man, I'm telling everybody in the world, I do this shit like Brett Hart, okay? And I'm not supposed to leave the ring with marks all over my skull and body.

Starting point is 00:41:22 And I don't cut my fucking forehead and bleed out, even though I have some fucking wrinkles on it. None of them are from a fucking blade, dude. I'm too sharp. I don't need a blade. I don't need a bleed out. I've always managed to do well in this business by saying either what is shocking

Starting point is 00:41:40 or what is funny? Yeah, you're a performer. They say funny, don't make money in pro wrestling and they never footed the bill for one of my fucking appearances, but I made a great living after WWE, and I wrestle on the independent circuit, and I represent Fourth Rope with this title now. And shout out to my home as well.

Starting point is 00:42:00 If we're talking about a territory, I do a show will be wrestling October 18th in Poughkeepsie, New York for ACW as well. And West Side Gun Day Buffalo has a mayorial holiday for my boss The former crack salesman West Side Gun has his own fucking day In Buffalo, New York

Starting point is 00:42:21 And on August 28th, it'll be our biggest show to date God bless America Fourth Rope Man we really got it out the mud If you think about it like Vince McMahon was a kid bro And he had a tough upbringing his stepdad Used to touch him and beat him up or some shit His mom sent them to go live with his fucking real

Starting point is 00:42:38 dad he was a kid growing up in north carolina on a trailer park didn't have a good up you know tough right so imagine a guy that'll walk by you in war and see you bleeding out but it's a war bro this is fucking normandy we're storming the fucking beach bro kill or be killed i've been touched as a fucking child bro i've seen some fucked up shit i'm gonna fucking shoot you in a forehead i'll rip your fucking heart out and i'll eat it and i'll keep walking and i'm gonna get up on that fucking hill you know what i mean we're storming normandy that's the mentality of that guy Yeah, you know, that's a fucking different man. And so he bought the company from his dad.

Starting point is 00:43:13 And he got set to go up north, and I don't think he was paying any favors. And I think he really worked hard in the wrestling business. And he had a vision for it that I was remarkable. I remember when they first set out on, you know, what is content being driven on now? You see it's on streaming platforms. And when he created the WWE network, I was there in 2014. and the pay-per-view model was then shattered. And if you know, TKO that owns UFC and they own WWE,

Starting point is 00:43:44 they now have done a deal with Paramount. And the UFC just struck a major deal. And Disney did a deal with WWE. So, you know, the trickle-down effect in my business is real. When it's booming at the top, it's booming everywhere. You think that UFC has kind of also, not, WWE has obviously been huge for a long, long time and stayed huge. But do you think there's been like a trickle-down effect of UFC getting so big that even though it's different and supposedly like, you know, to look behind the fourth wall for a second, not real?

Starting point is 00:44:14 Like people are really into WWE more and never because of that. Like there's just something in us that wants to see people fucking going at each other even if we know it's scripted. I mean, you got the rock and you got black rock, right? You can't go wrong. Okay. I accept that answer. You do, right? Yes.

Starting point is 00:44:33 It's good. Yeah, it's good. You just think of that? Of course I did. That was good. Yeah. No, I'm the fucking best, dude. There's nobody fucking better.

Starting point is 00:44:41 I don't give a fuck, dude. You know what? The reason why I can say it is because when I go out there, I back at the fuck up. And nobody can tell me anything other than that. You're also a regular guy, though, too. But I got blackballed, bro. And in the fucking craziest way in the history of time, you know, like, it was fucked up. And my family went through some real shit.

Starting point is 00:44:59 And everything that I went through was fucking real. So if you ask me, wrestling's real to me. I've seen it change lives I've seen it ruin lives I've seen the highs the lows and I've seen it better than anyone in the history of our business because I don't think that people realize

Starting point is 00:45:16 that when Hulk Cogan was alive and he was doing it big that there was no fucking camera phones there was no fucking internet there was no fucking Twitter and we weren't talking about him on the internet so if you get to an internet era in pro wrestling that's basically

Starting point is 00:45:31 after John Sina so about post 2010, 11, 12, we go into a PG era. Why? Because Vince is a fucking visionary and sees the forecast that knows he's got to change his product because of the way that it's going to be perceived by the masses as we expose and pull down the curtain of fucking reality through the internet. Right. Okay. So by him creating the first major sports network and streaming all of his content off of it, imagine the vision to have that library, to purchase all the things from Ted Turner, who at the time didn't have

Starting point is 00:46:04 the vision, to allow the sale of all of your product of WCW, why did Vince want all the footage? Well, eventually he put all that footage together and he sold it. And he's a billionaire. And not only that, he grew up in a trailer park in North Carolina. So no, he's a self-made fucking billionaire. And I

Starting point is 00:46:22 think the only real comparison to him in pro wrestling right now is my boss. West Side Gunn and smoked, is it? They're really getting it out of the mud. Dude, they sold crack and then they fucking Horatio Algird, yellow journalism. You know this. Horatio Algernism? You know what yellow journalism is. So I know you know who ratio Alger is. I want to know where you're doing with this. Well, what is Jay-Z? I mean, if not Horatio-Alger. Right? So... Flip the script.

Starting point is 00:46:52 Yeah, man. We got... We came from nothing and we made it into something. We are the lowest of low. We come from the gutter. And now we're millionaires. we should have never gave him money bro I got it out the fucking mud right everything that I'm doing right now with these guys is is is the first in my opinion because I had never until we did it in Vegas at fourth rope we put on a show you can check out

Starting point is 00:47:21 fourth rope wrestling fourth rope on on YouTube so I believe in the market I believe that YouTube is where it's at that's where every kid in the hood who's got a phone anybody who's anybody anywhere in the world with a phone that's where they can find you and they're not always having TVs in their houses and they're not always on a TV and they're not always connected to cable but they can find me right there and if pat McAfee can license his

Starting point is 00:47:45 fucking show to ESPN from 12 to 3 p.m. and still have his YouTube show going I mean that's a visionary and shout out Pat McAfee bro I've never gotten to meet the guy but you know he's a cool fucking cat so and I'm a ball player bro Fuck what anybody ever fucking heard, dog. That's a difference between me and them, all right? Because when you see me out there, you know I scored touchdowns. You know I banged cheerleaders. You know I went in, dog.

Starting point is 00:48:11 You know I fucking, and look it, you can't teach swag. You can't teach swag. And this is why. I invented white dove, dog. I invented white boy swag, bro. I was fucking out there doing this shit long before Logan Paul and Jake Paul. I remember when I met late Logan Paul backstage at a WWE show. Actually, I was working with champ sports, right?

Starting point is 00:48:29 And champs. This is recently. So I'm in 2017. Oh, no, this is back then? I'm in the Staples Center in 2017, and I'm the first guy to have a third-party contract. This is before you were Lifetime banned from there? Yeah. Right.

Starting point is 00:48:43 So I don't know if I'm Lifetime banned. I'm kind of bad. I'm kind of back into the fucking galaxy. We could go find out. From a galaxy far, far, far the fuck away, bro. Joe, we'll live stream it. We'll go find out. I am.

Starting point is 00:48:55 It's called something different now. I'm at Slammiversary with Fourth Rope, which is kind of in the, in the, in the, vein because you had Trick Williams that so you had on the show at Slammiversary that Fourth Rope was featured on

Starting point is 00:49:12 WWE talent and so I'm out there and it's weird it's weird I don't know man like I said I haven't called them but you know I have a good relationship with for my at least I amended the bridge at least with the company

Starting point is 00:49:29 with the guy who runs the company triple h um can we hold on can we go there for a second and close that loop because we keep getting off it and i don't want to like i'm sure i'm all over the fucking place no it's it's fine but like in all seriousness you in a way like you have such a good attitude on this stuff i was saying this earlier like clearly a great perspective but you talk about that day where they can you and it's just like out of nowhere because you don't even know what this is and then there's a day not that long after that where it comes out that the accuser made it all up provably in all the text messages and everything you're complete you're completely

Starting point is 00:50:06 what happened was it and they don't take you back and you don't call them back no so what happens is i think they they they might have i bro i can't speak on their behalf so i have no fucking idea what their feelings were on me but let's just say i know somebody in the company that works at the high in production maybe and it wears a suit and tie and at that time he was reaching out to me like Hey, you know, I think that, you know, maybe there's a room for you to come back or whatever, you know. And at that time, I hadn't wrestled. So I ducked out the game and I disappeared. So that was a very, very strategic move on my end.

Starting point is 00:50:46 I knew this shit was going to blow over. Like, I fucking knew. I just, I felt it. Like, in my loins, in my intuition, I knew I didn't do anything wrong. Like, so what happened was this girl's best friend had all these text messages of this girl. claiming that she fucked me and her friends didn't believe her. So she's sending text messages like screenshots that she's

Starting point is 00:51:06 pulling off the internet of this guy she just fucked and you know like she's like Genzo Amori, this is him, I fucked him and her her friends are like bullshit because they don't believe her they're like, no way you fuck you know what I mean but like bro I don't even know if I got honey potted bro I had a lot of heat in the WWE at the time bro

Starting point is 00:51:21 and I fuck it bro I'll never know what really happened that day and that night and by the time I got shit canned out of the company I had a lot of questions but you know what I've had a lot of time, and I've had the grace of God. I've seen some fucked up shit with, you know, some of my best friends. I've lost best friends in the business of pro wrestling. I almost lost my tag team partner, very notably battled addiction,

Starting point is 00:51:48 conquered it and is now on AEW TV and is an inspiration to anybody who's fighting fucking demons. I mean, when you talk about demons, I've seen a fucking seven-foot-tall guy 400 pounds drink more alcohol than this is Andre the giant type shit that's how Andre went down that's how he killed himself bro this is a tough business on big guys bro especially when you're fucking with their head uh you know with with like i said they've unveiled the curtain and showed what what really goes on behind the curtain in w and the pressure

Starting point is 00:52:20 and it's a high pressure situation and uh you know it takes the toughest men and the biggest men down and a lot of them fall to fucking addiction because What are you doing when you get on every fucking airplane and you're seven feet fucking tall and you're stuck in coach? Because when you look up in first class, there's the fucking undertaker. There's Yoko Zuna. There's Hulk Hogan. It's like if you're on the end of the car, like you're not fucking sit in first class because you're all in the same airplane. And there ain't enough first class seats.

Starting point is 00:52:46 And me and my partner, bro, we were fucking, we sank the ship. We fucking drank everything and fucking all the shit threw it out. It was fuck up, bro. So me and my partner had the best gig in the world. We opened all the W.W.E. shows. We were like the hype men. And that affords you an opportunity to really get fucking drunk and have a fucking blast the night before

Starting point is 00:53:06 because you're seeing this world for the first time. And if you had seen the world in a city for the first time with a beer in your hand, are you really having a good time? Probably not. Probably not. That's the Irish in you. Yeah, man, it's the first time I'm in Japan, bro. Take me out in Tokyo, dog.

Starting point is 00:53:20 Well, it was the first time of Ecuador, Chile, China, Peru, Japan. Abu Dhabi, Saudi Arabia, Dubai, fucking, you know, like, I've been to fucking 49 states. I ain't seen Hawaii yet. I've been to 34 countries, bro. And that's all through pro wrestling. And I was known as a, you know, in my line of work as a guy who's on a microphone. And that's what got me into shit.

Starting point is 00:53:48 So like when you ask me like that the Franco's tattoo, Triple H, most notably, you know, uh fucking what 15 time world champ or some shit like that he calls my gym i got this de franco's leg tattoo because de franco who'd created this fucking gym you see how i go back around bro fucking unbelievable figure fucking eight dude this could go on forever so good weave so uh it's a weave dude as as trump coins it yeah that's exactly right you know it's funny some old lady in a mask even around that some old lady walked by me in a mask and i was smoking a joint right before i came in here right You see me on a fucking street. Dude, I'm shirtless in the middle of Hoboken smoking joints on the corner in front of a police station with five cops surrounding me.

Starting point is 00:54:32 Isn't it not true? That is 100% accurate. I've literally seen that. Bro, shout out OG Ross, Basil's Pizzeria. Hoboken, Mexico Taco. That's my favorite. Because fucking, I go in there with Ross, Russ Basel, right? He owns Rose's Pizzeria underneath the Madison Square Garden.

Starting point is 00:54:49 So when we go to Nick Games, bro, he drives underneath the stadium. and we come in from the underneath tunnel of the garden. I got to introduce you to OG Russ. Yeah, I want to do that, actually. Oh, bro, you'll never pay for fucking pizza again. I'll put your picture up on a wall. Get a picture up, Joe. You got to get your picture up on a wall.

Starting point is 00:55:04 Shout out OG Russ. So I'm fucking, Ross Basil has, I walk in and he opens up this new Taco Joe, and I just see him dancing on the street, dude. He's making money. Yeah, he's rich. He's dancing. Oh, fuck, he's happy, right? And I'm like, fuck, what are you doing, bro?

Starting point is 00:55:19 He's like, we'll open it up. Come on in, right? So I walk in and he cuts a promo on the people. Don't you ever fucking charge this guy? I'll fucking die. If I find out any of you, take his money, I'm taking your money, motherfucker. So this guy had, I don't know if you know this, okay? So in Hoboken at the top of the block, he's got a barter system or all the bums in town.

Starting point is 00:55:44 They will eat free food. Oh, yeah. Because there's this one bum in town named Stacey. Shout out to Stacey. I think I know who Stacey. know who fucking Stacy is she hangs out on the corner on washington and first and washington and fucking observe her way yep so she's in hoboken and stacey gets fucking wild right when she comes around pizzeria and starts fucking you know getting louder with customers and

Starting point is 00:56:06 shit yeah other bombs will come in from every fucking angle and punch stacey in the head and fucking Stacy when she sees him coming she knows what time it is and she takes off fucking running so they got an up you know a little operation there they sure off and they go get a three slice of pizza, bro. It's unbelievable. So I'm like, yo, Russ, dude. I'm like,

Starting point is 00:56:27 yo, Russ, what's this fucking place called, bro? And he's like, I don't fucking know. Dude, come inside and eat. You like the food?

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Starting point is 00:57:00 What are you doing out in Baltimore? I go to Lifeman Institute as often as I possibly can. Dude, they got... In Baltimore. Best treatment. You know, IVs and check on your bones and injections, PRP, spin your blood for you and fucking shoot you up. I'm fucking still doing this shit at the high.

Starting point is 00:57:16 I'm in my prime right now. You're in your prime? If John Cino was in his prime, my age. I'm in my motherfucking prime right now, dog. So... Coming up at 40 in your prime. I ain't fucking 40 yet. Come on, man. Don't take that away from it. And you can't take

Starting point is 00:57:30 that away from me. I ain't fucking 40. I'm forever young, babe. Forever young. So, dude, you see me, I run six, seven miles, eight miles apart. Yeah, no, dude. And I smoke a pack of cigarettes a day. I see you out there. It's unbelievable. I'm not like these kids. Smoking

Starting point is 00:57:46 bogs looking at the Hudson and then going for a run, probably doing your workout after i don't i don't witness that but yeah yeah that's what you do you look like you do it i just had a kid who comments my girl shows me because i don't do my comments my girl does my comments shout out jelisa i fucking love you jelisa so anyway um my girlfriend can we do a shout out counter girlfriend now but uh so anyway jelisa goes through my comments so i don't have to read the negativity i'm as positive as the brown side of a dursone i ain't got no time i got plenty of time i ain't got time for that shit block them delete them get them to fuck out of that that's my property that's my

Starting point is 00:58:20 fucking page. Get him to fuck off for that thing. To your point, right? Positive. So, bro, when you fucking pro wrestle for a living

Starting point is 00:58:34 and you don't have to have another job, and this is the only job I've ever wanted. Yeah, all I ever wanted was to be in the WWE, bro. I didn't,

Starting point is 00:58:41 I didn't want to be in WCW. Not unless I was Kevin Nash and Scott fucking Hall, getting with Hulk Cogan to be in the NWL, fucking doing something cool.

Starting point is 00:58:48 You know what I mean? I know, look, takes one to no one bro i fucking know what cool is dog and uh when i got into wrestling i was because i told you sean michael's was the coolest fucking cat in town and he just banged pamela anderson he's the littlest guy in a royal rumble and you think shit's real and you just saw a david and goliath story unfold in front of your eyes and then that's what we do in pro wrestling we storytell okay yes i'm a storyteller and when they flip me into a bad

Starting point is 00:59:15 guy on tv that shit was pretty all-consuming in my life and what do you mean all-consuming So it's hard not to play the rock star, not be the rock star. Yeah. And I became the guy that was fucking, fucking telling you about how he just tripped over his dick. Yeah, you just went, you went full bed. Oh, I was, I mean, to a degree. But what I was doing was, man, I was, I got followed by Drake. I got followed by the weekend.

Starting point is 00:59:41 I was fucking hanging out with fucking everybody in L.A. Dave Chappelle, I would watch him every fucking Wednesday and then talk to him after the show and smoke fucking boogs and smoke fucking joints. with Dave Chappelle. You were smoking bogues with Dave Chappelle. Okay. Now, I got a story for you. All right.

Starting point is 00:59:58 Here you go. I introduced Post Malone to Dave Chappelle. And you introduced Post Malone. He introduced me that night to John Mayer. And we got a picture that's sitting on my IG. You can pull it up if you pull up my fucking IG. So. Are you fucking with me right now?

Starting point is 01:00:14 No. Shout out to a fourth row west side gun in October 30th. Biggest costume party, Fourth Rope curating. fucking six flags. It's going to be the biggest show in fucking New Jersey the night before Halloween anyway. So let me tell you about this time. You want to hear about the first time I met Hulk Hogan? You want to hear about the first time I met fucking John Muggan?

Starting point is 01:00:30 You want to hear about both. Let's go back to this part. Honestly, I didn't talk to John Mary. He definitely doesn't fucking remember me. I just saw an opportunity to get the coolest picture of fucking all time. And it's a fucking Mount Rushmore of fucking 2017. Honestly. I mean, I was the number one merchandise seller in all of pro wrestling in

Starting point is 01:00:46 2017. So kiss my ass, tongue jack, my shit. Box, bro. Somewhere down there. Was it Post Malone? Was it Post Malone introduced you to John Mayer? That was it? There you go, bro.

Starting point is 01:00:57 You introduced Post to who, and then post-introduce you to John Mayer? So what happened was, bro, so Post Malone, shout out Spiff TV. So I always give credit where credits do, bro. The Moray Credit Bureau is never going to breathe down anybody's fucking neck, dude. That's right. There ain't nobody coming for me, bro. I got people. I got you.

Starting point is 01:01:12 So shout out Prime. Shout up my man Mitch. He works fourth rope. He's a hell of a producer. Any fucking way. um so i'm at the rainbow room where i frequent in every fucking wednesday night and then i went to the comedy store every single wednesday and at the time tony hingecliff was at the comedy store every single wednesday tony's a great buddy of mine he's coming to town she's fucking meet tony i love

Starting point is 01:01:36 tony hinchcliff yeah well just pop it to the fucking uh the stand one of these nights this week and they'll probably all be in there all right yeah we can do that yeah yeah yeah so uh oh shit there's the picture. Look at his fucking picture. Enzo Post with the fucking ponytail era, John Mayer and Dave Chappelle. That's one of the coolest pictures of all time. Yeah. That's not even that's, is that photoshopped?

Starting point is 01:02:00 No, bro. That's Photoshop. That's Photoshop. That's real Are you fucking with me, Anzo? You want to hear the coolest thing ever? You fucking? So here this, bro, my girlfriend, right? So here's the thing about me, bro. I get canceled, dude. I get shit canned and I disappear for a while, right? But I never really hit anybody back up after that. I was just

Starting point is 01:02:16 like, I'll see him when I see him. You know what Like, bro, like, if I got canceled, I'm not going to test your phone. Now for a fucking few years, you know what I'm hanging out with mom and dad for a little while. A little while, we're going to cool down. I got a cool down. So, fucking, bro. I'm hanging out with Posty at Rainbow Room.

Starting point is 01:02:37 And shout out Sugar Free Rich and Louis Bell. I know they're out there giving them hell. So I'm hanging out at Rainbow with Post. And Tony tells me that Dave's at the Rainbow. I mean, going to be popping into the comedy store on Sunset Boulevard. So I get tipped off that Dave's going to be there, but he just pops in. But he usually was popping in every Wednesday, man. He really was.

Starting point is 01:03:01 He was working on his material and shit. And so did Joe, Rogan, all the guys. They were just at the store hanging out. And so because of my prowess on the scene in pro wrestling and on Sunset Boulevard as a fucking pro wrestler, bro, let me tell you why I moved to fucking, all right, bro. I moved to fucking L.A. my best friends live there and I go and I'm wrestling at the

Starting point is 01:03:21 in Anaheim and at the Staples Center and I'm on and I'm white hot but I don't even know who I am yet You don't know who you are? Man I just debuted on WWE bro But that shit made me famous like overnight I wasn't even ready for it So like I'm fucking

Starting point is 01:03:36 I'm on raw Monday night raw And this is probably the first couple months I'm on raw And I go out to L.A. And we do Staples Center And the next day I'm standing on the fucking corner, dude. And some girl comes screeching by.

Starting point is 01:03:52 Jams or tires in a sports car, bro. Jams or tires in a sports car and goes, pops out. Hot pitch and high heels goes, are you Enzo Moray? Me and my homies from high school who live in L.A. These are my best friend. Sugar free, rich, Jesse Camp, all you don't. I'm fucking hanging out with these guys living like fucking, when I moved to L.A. It was because of this, bro.

Starting point is 01:04:15 This is what you wait for your whole life, man. So, dude, I'm like, look at my homies. I'm like, yeah, I'm Ed's on more, right? This girl, she's like, what are you doing? I'm like, we're going to crazy girls. I'm going to the strip club, right? And she goes, can I calm? Like, fuck, you can give me a rot, bitch?

Starting point is 01:04:31 He's pulled up in a fucking hot car, dude. We get in this car, dude. We get in this fucking car, bro. I'm Rick Flair at this point, bro. I don't give a fuck what anybody says, dude. You couldn't tell me shit, bro. I was a young cat, and I was living life, and I just had this hot girl pull up on me.

Starting point is 01:04:47 on sunset, I just hopped in her car over the top like I was fucking Dylan from fucking, fucking Beverly Hills bro. I just, I just my boys trailed me. We go to crazy girls. I get inside, dude, I'm getting bopped off in a fucking booth, right? The guys are like, dude, Anzo, you got to take this shit outside,

Starting point is 01:05:05 right? We pull up, right? My boy had my Corvette. We switched cars. I get in my Corvette. I'm fucking spinning the things tires in a circle with this brand new hot bitch in my car. I fucking pull like down into a parking lot. I swear to God, this happened exactly like this. So imagine a girl just pulls up on you a hot one and goes,

Starting point is 01:05:23 can I suck your dick? Have you ever had a hot, like at this point in my life? This is how it happens. I've never had this really happened to me. Right. So at this point, I'm like, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:05:37 Yes, you can. Yes, you can. Bro. Yes, you can, bro. And that's how that was. And a whole lot of that after. And I'm in L.A. soon. You want to talk about a reason to move to town?

Starting point is 01:05:55 I was like, fucking I'm moving here, guys. My friends from high school were like, this is fucking awesome, bro. So the same night that that happens, I get this happen to me. And she just goes on her merry way. Like, happy to do it, hop in her car, leave. Now I'm like, my boy, here, take the keys to my fucking Corvette. I'm not driving the rest of the night, dude. Getting fucked up.

Starting point is 01:06:17 So I go to comedy store. I see Tony Hinchcliffe there. Is this when, is he on stage at this point like doing his thing? No, no, no, no, no, no. What happened was we drive by the comedy store. And I don't know L.A. like that. I'm a kid from fucking Jersey. The only time I've ever gotten on a fucking airplane at this point in my life was because

Starting point is 01:06:34 WWE put me on one. Right. Like my parents, we drive to fucking Merrill Beach, motherfucking back. I did that drive a few times. It's a fucking terrible. Never again, right? I can't go back there. They do it once.

Starting point is 01:06:44 They don't do it again. No parents learn that mistake from Jersey. We're doing a fucking wildwood, okay? Doing a fucking wildwood. You don't walk out of here. So I'm like... Don't ever admit that out loud again. Oh, bro.

Starting point is 01:06:56 I'm in Asbury Park again. We know it. We know it. You know I'm there. Out there and them rocks, dude. A couple magic mushrooms laid. Over at the Robinson Hell House. Talking to my guy, Steve, on the corner of the bar.

Starting point is 01:07:11 Makes a hell of a fucking Moscow mule. Shout out of Steve at the Hillhouse. It won't take long to tell you neutral's ingredients. Vodka, soda, natural flavors. So, what should we talk about? No sugar added? Neutral. Shout out, Steve.

Starting point is 01:07:49 Steve does a hell of a cosplay, shows up to the Comic Con. I'm there every year. Come see me at the Comic Con guys. I'm one hell of a conversation. I talk to all my fans. That's how I know everything. I don't do research. You got to talk to them, guys.

Starting point is 01:08:03 You got to talk to them. But you were saying you hadn't really been on a flight before WW. No, I never really been on a flight. So I land in L.A. I'm doing the shot. Bro, we fucking next thing I know I move to fucking Hollywood. And I'm out there and I'm jazzing up and down the fucking sunset strip like a fucking man. I'm a pro wrestler

Starting point is 01:08:19 and I've never been famous before. You got to be in shape though to do what you do. It's a demanding schedule. I'm a different person man. I just, my thing is, and when I got into WWE, I realized when I used to work out and play college football and I played sports, bro, I was dedicated, dude.

Starting point is 01:08:34 I didn't drink. I didn't smoke because I thought it made you weaker. I didn't do pills because I thought they made you weaker. I was like fucking really dedicated to college football, right? And then, you know, I got in this fucking smoking blunts with my voice. So, played D3 football, where John Cena did at Springfield, that I transferred to Salisbury University. And I got on the cover of the alumni magazine in that motherfucker, bro.

Starting point is 01:09:02 Shout out to Salisbury, Seagulls. Brian Westbrook, the running back for the Philadelphia Eagles. His brother was Byron Westbrook, played for the Redskins for seven years. He was on our team. He was on Salisbury. So a guy on my team made it, bro, but they don't, bro. I'm like fucking Obama. When you're talking about being a little kid looking up and you're like a little white boy just wishing, like, bro, I want to be the fucking, I want to be the fucking white cornerback in the NFL.

Starting point is 01:09:29 There's only been one of them. Jason fucking Seahorn. There's only been one black president. It's like, give us a little hope here, bro. Can I get a fucking hope spot, brother? We got Cooper DeGine now. And now the baddest motherfucker in the game. The game has fucking changed, okay?

Starting point is 01:09:46 For the first time ever, you could build an all-white roster on Madden. Boy, won me a Super Bowl this year. Fuck the Eagles, dude. Fuck you. I got Eagles jokes for fucking. No, Philthedelphia, bro. That's the wrong place to be doing that in. No, I'm a heel in the 2300 arena, bro.

Starting point is 01:10:03 I have shit on Philly with more Philadelphia's shit on material than maybe anyone in the market on the planet. I could go on a fucking highlight. If I taped in Philthedophia on my notes right now, the amount of shit that I have, had on these cock-sockers, bro. On who? Oh, I would just come out there and start better. I'll put the fucking one. One is going to put the hurts on you like a fucking Eagles jersey,

Starting point is 01:10:24 you little fucking bitch. I'll tell you, I hope that your fat ass hops over that guardrail so I could put you in a fucking canckel lock and slap the diabetes out of your fucking mouth. You fat Philadelphia, a fucking Eagles fan, dude. Bro, I'll tell you right now, until they won our second Super Bowl champion Philadelphia Eagles fans. Yeah, bro. Two time.

Starting point is 01:10:42 You know, you know, Eli Manning has just as many fucking rings as the Filth Philadelphia Eagles to. Get the fuck out of here. Eli Manning was around. Glad that our running back could help you guys fucking do that. He was around when the pyramids were around at this point. I'll tell you right now Joe Shane, you fuck dude. I'm coming for your fucking job. I've been practicing on Madden.

Starting point is 01:11:00 I can't wait to do a fucking fantasy draft this year. I bet you I can win more games with the all white roster I create on Madden than I, then fucking Joe Shane can do you see the team he trotted out there, bro, I want my fucking money back. I fucking went to every fucking game. the past three years, dude.

Starting point is 01:11:17 Three fucking years. I went to every game. Look at the record. I want my money back for every fucking loss, man. All right. I want to thank Joe for sake on Barclay. The very rare, very rare white running back as well.

Starting point is 01:11:28 I have a song with Vellis. Vellis is awesome. He's a rapper. Vellis made an awesome couple bops. But he's a writer. He works with a lot of guys. We have a song called White Running Back. And shout out Christian McCaffrey.

Starting point is 01:11:41 It's your White Iverson, if you will. Cam Scatabow. Cam Scatabow. Yeah, yeah, White Iverson. So back to Post Malone. Yeah. So I'm fucking. There's no stopping this guy.

Starting point is 01:11:50 I can notice. He just goes, man. So, bro, Posty is at Rainbow Room with me, and I get a phone call from Tony Hinchkoff or at least I was going to the comedy store, and he tells me that Dave Chappelle's going to be there. So I look at Posty, who I'm not like with, I'm with, you know what I mean?

Starting point is 01:12:07 I didn't arrive there with him, but now we're both at Rainbow Room and we're hanging out. And this is like 2016, so he's just blown up. But I've no post since. Since 2014. How did you know, but he was living in a closet in 2014? Yeah, bro. No, so when he first got, when the industry first signed him, first signed him, they put him on fucking tour with Justin Bieber as the opening act.

Starting point is 01:12:28 Wait, wait, wait, wait, hold on. Was this before or this was after the Feddywap? Yeah, this was after the Feddywap thing, right? Well, FeddyWod for was 2015. You know that Spiff, who was an A&R, good buddy of mine, A&R for Mayback music, right? This is kind of like how I got in with a lot of people, man. My buddy Spiff TV is a fucking legend in the music shit. So he lives in Orlando, and he used to come to all of our NXT shows when I was coming up in NXT.

Starting point is 01:12:58 And it was a hot commodity. It was like I told you. I was a part of something special. Triple H took over developmental. He started making this forum system for WWE that now has its own television show. So that forum system really turned into its own thing. and when I was a part of NXT I knew this guy Spiff

Starting point is 01:13:15 and he's still one of my best buddies I still work with him Spiff I don't even remember where the fuck we were going with that It's first time yet You're talking about Spiff because you were talking about Post Malone Hostie so he brought me Because at that time

Starting point is 01:13:31 I was dating a girl who's a wrestler She's a very famous pro wrestler Way more famous now than when she was with me You made her famous No I did not make her famous one so I'm yeah she would she would have done it without that's good for you to be she would have done it without me but um so she she just got an opportunity uh and she took advantage of it so she's a killer so at the time though she wanted to stop and she ain't getting in no motherfucking justin beber

Starting point is 01:14:00 concert boy but when you with fucking enzoa moray on his fucking 750 dollar fucking week of contract nxte it ain't about you know sometimes this is not about the money in your pocket is about who do you know right i always got a guy and that's always been my nature well that's a jersey so i knew spiff and uh spiff got us in to go see justin beber at amway center in orlando and we got fucking side stage and we didn't get to meet beaver at the time but um my girl was real thrilled right you know what i mean alone was opening for him though post malone was opening for justin beber and you met him and so at that day uh i went on post these bus played madden with him just just fucking kicked it with him and uh told him i had no

Starting point is 01:14:45 interest in watching justin beber and i let my girl go out there and do that how how so while my girl how'd you end up on his bus spiff spiff got you on there spiff new music people so so this is spiff got us tickets backstage to go see justin bieber i just googled this this was 2016 so when they there was a tour before that that he did and it was probably like almost overlapping but when Post went viral with the song White Iverson

Starting point is 01:15:16 I didn't even know who played me that record for the first time Walee I was in he used to live in Edgewater New Jersey yeah yeah yeah and Wale lived in town and actually you knew Walee me and my ex went over to Wale's house and he showed me Post Malone's video for fucking White Iverson when it had like 26,000 views I mean if it's

Starting point is 01:15:33 good it's good those guys knew it was good he showed it to me when it had like 26 000 views and then the next thing he tells me he's next up while he's like watch watch his white boy you know like fucking so i know he's next up i tell spiff about it spiff tells me he's opening for bother i had no interest in so my girl and i think maybe her friend her little girlfriend that was wrestling with her they went and watched justin beaver me and spiff went on post bus and that was how i met post you remember though not to say justin beber's not the biggest thing and always has been he he is but in 2015 when

Starting point is 01:16:07 Fettywap and the Remy Boys came on, they had four songs in the top ten. You know who showed me that? It was the hottest thing ever. Do you know who opened for them on that tour? Fucking Post Malone. And Post Malone, it was like right before he was going to do the first album. That's crazy because in The Matrix, I'll tell you right now,

Starting point is 01:16:26 she was a little hood, hood bitch, bro. I ain't going to lie to you, she's a little hood rat. She dropped out of high school. She had a real rough. She was in like some foster care type shit. Like she grew up rough and she really made it out. the hood that's my ex-girlfriend uh she's a pro wrestler and she's super famous and she was the one who showed me fettie watt when he had like 10,000 views bro she's from fucking elmwood park

Starting point is 01:16:49 new jersey he's from patterson she shows it to me i show it to spiff tv i go spiff check this out spiff hears it he's an a and r for mayback music spiff skips down out on the record rick ross is on the fucking remix spiff hits me and goes anytime you send me anything from now on i'm gonna listen to it and since that day like i practically a and aren't some things in my life you know just like what just projects and artists that i that i've that i've fucking heard that i was like that's great and i put my music people in contact and kind of made some moves there's something about when you hear an artist that is just unique it could be any genre and your ear it doesn't matter who you are you're like oh that's different it's just

Starting point is 01:17:35 different. And so before like the masses get to it, it's not about the fact that the masses don't like it yet. It's just that the masses haven't heard it yet. And when you go back, I mean, the Fettywap thing is one of those things that they're going to make documentaries on because it's really a tragic story. How long is he out? How long is he locked out? He's still got another two, three years, something like that. That's it? Yeah, yeah. He got it. He made a five year deal. When I first got out of WWE, I was in the city trying to fuck with the music, right? So I was living in L.A. Okay? So I was living in L.A. And then I moved.

Starting point is 01:18:06 So what happened was when I had made the announcement like that I'm going to. So I disappear for five months from social media. And then I show the fucking bleachers of you want to pull something up, pull this up. This is my oldest post on Instagram maybe. Probably sitting there on my page. It was the best day of my life. So I get fired by WWE. But the people, man, pro wrestling fans, they're the greatest fans in the fucking world.

Starting point is 01:18:33 I don't care what anyone says, bro. They changed my life. saved my life, and I didn't need WWE after I left to make a living, to do something, to never have a real job, to be a pro fucking wrestler, and I make music. And there's been months where my song, Phoenix, paid the rent. Wow. You know, like, that has millions of streams. So I've got million, I've amassed millions of streams of music off my first project

Starting point is 01:18:57 and a few others, and it's like, I'm still tackling that fucking full steam ahead, because I didn't own a music studio. I paid for all that studio time with my wrestling money when I finally could afford it. You can't just go into music studios. Oh, no. And I had to find the right people, own the beats. And then I made it so that I owned all my shit.

Starting point is 01:19:17 Because I was in the WWE, which was the worst demon I ever. Bro, like, okay, they own everything, right? So when I got out of WWI, I thought I had to own everything. I was like, bro, I got to own everything. I got to own it all. Bro, you can partner and collaborate and make money with people all over the place, bro. And I was really like, nah, man, they ain't get me to sign nothing. I ain't signed a no contract.

Starting point is 01:19:36 And I missed out on a lot of money, probably not signing contracts, you know? But I'm also probably one of the only people that you know to done TV and shit like that since then thereafter with a fucking handshaking some cash money, dog. I'm fucking gangston, okay? I'll give a fuck, bro. So, all right. So, yeah, that Six Flag Show is going to be gangstid, bro. Make sure you all come to that. We were talking about Fettywap, though.

Starting point is 01:19:57 You came back to the city and you were going to say something about him. So she put me on to this little fucking Fettywop. 2014 and i showed it to spiff and he missed out on fucking fettie wop as an a and r and i think they're coming for you out there and so they know yeah you're up here yeah bro um yeah but she showed you so i was saying i i come back so what happened was memorial day 2018 i show up in time square and i show up picture from uh at the time the studio i forget what it was called it's called penthouse studio now but um this is where teupac got shot there's a famous music studio quad studio so up top that's where i was when i took a

Starting point is 01:20:46 picture of the bleachers in times square and i said i'm going to be out there uh 8 p.m on monday and fucking i sold out time square dude i have videos so that was the first time and i'm living in LA at the time. And you hadn't come out of hiding it. I had been out fucking five months. Nobody heard a word for me. My last Instagram post was the picture of me post belowed Dave Chappelle. That was the last thing I posted before I got fired. That's how soon that happened. Bang. I left that bitch sitting there. That picture had over fucking 40,000 comments on it when I got fired. And that's your last picture. That was my last picture, bro. So I just let it sit there and I never looked at the comments and it was probably crazy man it was probably so this is it look it i pop out in a

Starting point is 01:21:36 lambo leave quad studio bro fucking we had 3,000 people in fucking times square man we sold out the bleachers look at all these fucking people so i had the bloods do security for me the blood that's trayway that's trayway look at this look at this this is trayway bloods to run your security look at this this is trayway look at trayway everybody they're all locked up that's all a fucking uh what's rainbow hair homies fucking name again six nine dude fucking bro i came to new york city in 2018 i'm like in the studio i need

Starting point is 01:22:08 i need security for this shit out there bro and they're all in the studio at the time we got people bro yeah how about they do bro look at this shit that's insane buddy when i had steam look at this there was nowhere to go bro that's where you just got i got fired

Starting point is 01:22:24 what did you say when you got up there i dropped my music video for Phoenix on this night, man. Was there a mic up there? That was the picture I posted that said I'll be down there. Was there a mic up there? No. Like a mic? So you just... I just said on Instagram, I'm going to be there at 8 p.m. And fucking 3,000 people showed up.

Starting point is 01:22:44 That was my first post. So what happened was when I get fired, I'm very strategic. I archive every single post of my Instagram on the Monday before I do this. Because I know that I have proof from police with paperwork that says I'm innocent, but the world doesn't know that yet. And then they do their research and it breaks on the internet

Starting point is 01:23:02 and I start trending because I archive every picture on my Instagram and it goes blank and the whole wrestling community is like what is what's going on with that right so now I'm trending in the world on a Monday night then I wait for the next raw the next raw 8 p.m. again

Starting point is 01:23:17 8 p.m. on raw I drop a picture of my fucking sneakers hanging in a telephone wire. Famously the only person to have a third party deal with the W.W.E. Jordan made me jays for russomania 33 i have a player exclusive air enzo that came in a leopard velvet bag with a glass case shoebox case presented to me by reggie and marcus jordan uh i got my own jays bro before anybody else did before the fuck anybody else did fuck what they talked about

Starting point is 01:23:48 you got a tattoo that on your fucking forearm i got a tattoo of jump man with the microphone i know i need this i need the shoes replica on the forearm yeah probably right about that yeah let's do that we'll hook that up afterwards oh that's a good idea right so so yeah i got my own jays man and it was like well fuck bro i don't even need any more sneakers for the rest of my life i'm good on that dude so um i just you you you you fucking you can't i don't even know where i was with it well you were talking jordan's just took me out i'm thinking about you were talking about how you came out for the first time on this Yeah, so the third party deal

Starting point is 01:24:29 But it had something to do with FettyWath Well, it had to I don't know, I don't even remember bro So that's CTE I don't know if you know what that is yet But there's fucking very good footage out there This ain't the blunts I don't want to fucking hear it mom

Starting point is 01:24:42 Okay mom it's not the fucking weed It's the fucking concussions So shout out to grind with gratitude THC infused energy No, it's just a seltzer Not energy but if you want to come down You want to get up It's got different, fuck.

Starting point is 01:24:55 Look, we got turpines. There's things involved in this shit. They got fucking science, chemistry. We're talking about chemistry. I know fucking science. My science teacher made a low more work off piss. I thought you said, I think I don't know science. Hold on, hold on.

Starting point is 01:25:09 Run the tape. I think you said, what the fuck am I going to do with this algebra and with this science bullshit? But my science teacher made a little more work off piss, bro. I fucking think I don't fucking know science. Do you fuck out of it. teach you about chemistry buddy you should see me and my girl we're fucking love

Starting point is 01:25:26 you way we love birds when you see us on a block I'll be out there shirtless with my fucking with my ass and hoboken bro but the way I see it is if I'm out in front of my house it might be the city it might be busy it might be a lot of people but probably just like Stacy the bum who runs around block and fucking you know screams and hollers until she gets

Starting point is 01:25:46 punched in the head by the other bums like I'm I'm out fucking I'm outside though This is my block, dude. I don't need to wear my fucking shirt. I don't fucking, and I think the people appreciate it. You do, like, if people just pulled up into Hoboken and didn't know who you were, they would be certain you were either like the pimp or, you know, the head of the entire drug operation. You want to talk about a pimp.

Starting point is 01:26:11 You got your, hey, RIP. RIP, Jersey's, come on, man. You're like guarding our office after that. Look, look at the last known pimp around these parts was Donnie Diamonds. Donnie Diamonds. RIP, Donnie Diamond's died during COVID, used to walk around town, Hoboken with a fucking velvet, fucking purple, fucking top hat, fucking, fucking hundreds of thousands on his wrist, used to fucking really do real shit in the 70s and the 80s. And he never left.

Starting point is 01:26:37 He stayed like he didn't leave that era. He rode the pink Cadillac until the day he fucking died type shit. Wow. Yeah, man. Donny Diamond's, I got introduced to him by O.G. Russ. O.G. Russell will tell you about that guy, bro. O.G. Russ used to be a fucking bus boy at Studio 54.

Starting point is 01:26:52 You should have him sit down here. O.G. Russ. He came up in Hoboken, kid from nothing, much like Vince McMahon, but not, you know, I don't think he got touched as a kid. I think he fucking made it out a hoboken, just certified G and a bona fide stud. You know? But yeah, man, you know, I've been all over the place, and that's what I do, dude. I am fucking not.

Starting point is 01:27:16 I am not here, bro. Everywhere. Yeah, every couple times today I was, like, trying to bring you back, like flailing over it. It just wasn't happening. No way. No way. Hey, I know who I am and I admit it. And you said, like, hey, you've had some friends of ours, some mutual friends that have been on this podcast and they've gone here and they've gone there and, you know, look.

Starting point is 01:27:35 I am, I am who I am, dude. That's right. I can weave with the best of them, dude. I box and weave with the best one. Well, here's the thing, though. And this is what people don't, I feel like, WWE and the guys who, you know, and the guys who, do it need more respect on their name on like we get caught up in the whole it's scripted and they're doing this and whatever but like the physicality of what you guys do is unbelievable and

Starting point is 01:28:01 the reality is some of it really does turn real kids yeah the young and dumb kids but there's no denying that uh you know there's a lot of physicality involved in what i do but i don't i don't see it that way so like i'm trying to tell you man i came i came from an athletic background and i think the swagger of a ball player is what brought me to the dance and made me different. Dude, I scored fucking touchdowns, bro. And I intercepted passes and I kick return balls to the fucking house,

Starting point is 01:28:27 punt returner. You know what I mean? Played both ways. Travis Hunter, before Travis Hunter was Travis Hunter. But I just didn't have a shot because I was a white guy. You look just like them. You can't play receiver in fucking running back and fucking corner in fucking 2005, 2006, 7, 8, 9. It was unheard of.

Starting point is 01:28:43 It was unheard of. So So we're seeing the color barrier get broken more often than not these days by some stellar athletes. But I could dunk a basketball in my prime. And that's kind of what got me signed is I was jumping 56 inch box jumps. 56 inches. That's pretty good at your size. Yeah, I would jump over a fucking onto the top vehicle.

Starting point is 01:29:04 And there's footage of it. So it's out there. So I ain't got a fucking lie. You know, so the footage. How are you like 59, 510? 511? Come on. Give me a little.

Starting point is 01:29:12 All right. Come on, babe. The pro wrestlers, the pro wrestlers. pro wrestler's six foot the pro wrestler was six foot and listen they said all and iverson was six foot so yeah yeah bro white officer uh so in the post on malone and stock got a tone i think that the the the pro wrestling industry was revolutionized in los vegas by fourth rope the company i work for because for the first time in my life i heard and witnessed something that i didn't know i needed didn't know that i never heard and didn't know that never happened was was a all black

Starting point is 01:29:49 commentary table in wrestling in wrestling i never heard and um caz my man kaz uh with with with the i'm not even going to attempt to pronounce your last damn cas like just leave it at cas with the new york knicks everybody knows cas from a fucking nix he does a show with carmello anthony pop You might see his face. He's familiar with him. He works with Madison Square Guard and MSG. He's a G bro. He's a great guy.

Starting point is 01:30:19 He's been a fan of pro wrestling for a long time. I used to see him backstage at WWE shows, and now he's in the business because he's a part of our commentary table with Ernest the Cat Miller. And we also featured Dave Otunga on the show in Las Vegas. And I'd never heard wrestling called by an all-black commentary team. I fucking never knew what I never knew that I didn't, you know?

Starting point is 01:30:41 And I'm watching and listening. listening to the show and bro, look, this ain't a black, fucking white thing, dude. But look, let's just be real. The guys who own my company are black guys. And they're like the first black promoters of pro wrestling that weren't wrestlers. Like, I mean, Booker T runs a promotion. But reality of wrestling, you know, he's also one of the greatest wrestlers of all time. So this is a different.

Starting point is 01:31:04 These guys made their own money in music. Then they infused music and wrestling with the runway that is pro wrestling. So I'm the first guy to get a third-party sneaker deal with champ sports. Shout out champ sports. Those people changed my life. And they put me in a new pair of sneaks every single time I was out there wrestling. So I got to sign sneakers and throw them into the audience every fucking night get a new pair. And Dawn sneakers that during the NBA off season, you would otherwise not see that Jordan actively on an athlete.

Starting point is 01:31:35 And I'm out there wrestling in them. Now when you look up, you see sneakers all over pro wrestling. And I'm the fucking God. father on the fucking guy okay when it comes to that shit i don't give a fuck it ain't the young bucks okay old fucks is what i would call them you know it's fucking dale doback and fucking uh whatever fuck his name is the parents put a trampoline in the backyard started doing backflips i'm just i'm just shooting a fucking angle right on your show you don't even know it but the fucking shout it to the guys at a e w bro they don't they don't sell the jordan's i have in a

Starting point is 01:32:05 fucking middle of them all, bro. Okay. I invented this shit. I invented swag. I invented Ydub and I brought the swagger to fucking fourth rope. And that's why I'm the flyweight champion for the newest, hottest wrestling promotion in the world. And we will fight AEW.

Starting point is 01:32:20 We will fight WW. We will fucking fight with anyone and put our fucking show up against theirs. If you want to talk about two hours of wrestling content that is fucking electric and awesome, we're just trying to put on the best show that we can because that's what our fucking rapper boss wants. you know what I mean he don't give a fuck about politics bro he's not worried about he wants

Starting point is 01:32:41 okay grab that guy from A-Dabby get that guy from Tia and I want to see them wrestling each other bro if you hear west side gun talk you're gonna die he's a hilarious human I feel like I just did yeah he's a hilarious human and smoked is a is a hilarious human who has a great laugh

Starting point is 01:32:56 and when a guy's got a great laugh that helps oh man doesn't ever so my bosses love to laugh and I love to fucking make people laugh so we've been doing well and um you know fourth rope is really a breath of fresh air for me and pro wrestling but the best part about it for me uh is it's allowed me to be a producer a show writer and a creative and there's

Starting point is 01:33:18 only three or four of those jobs in my business wow so you're you're responsible for a lot of the storylining behind it my bosses are west side gun and smoked as uh and whatever they create whatever they want uh create i create so i don't i don't both the show wrestlers hit me up they want to get booked they look i can put in a word and i can show a video or fucking show a picture and to my guys you know what i mean but like dude don't don't get a twisted like i'm a wrestler on the show but i am a fucking producer so in vegas we we had uh you know the first ever black commentary team that i had ever heard about a first ever black promoters this is some groundbreaking shit man and we sold out uh you know the show and we and i i won this

Starting point is 01:34:02 title in a battle royal where I entered number one out of 20 people and then I've lasted the whole time and I went over as we say in wrestling I went over so I don't see a world where I could have that creative freedom and and write that show and do that pro like imagine I show up to the Royal Rumble bro and I'm like hey listen okay here's how it's going down I'm entering number one all 19 of you motherfuckers are going to come in here right I'm going to toss you all out I'm going to be the last guy left and Pamela Anderson's going to come in here right

Starting point is 01:34:41 fucking Pam Anderson's going to raise my hand I'm going to be the fucking champ for the next fucking year maybe two all right dude no so like I've uh if I go to the WW it's like it's like what do you want

Starting point is 01:34:56 okay yes sir see you later you know I guess sir you know I guess you know what i mean like it's a multi-fucking national multi-billion dollar corporation now owned by black rock so like dude you like there's there's uh there's a there's a certain level level-headedness you have to have when you're competing in the biggest you know promotion in the world so i've managed to find myself in a position where my boss used to sell crack and i I am a showwriter, wrestler.

Starting point is 01:35:33 And you know what, man, the most gratifying thing for me in this business, now at my stage, there used to be a lot of production that went into a lot of what I did. Camera angles, facials, thinking about it overnight, thinking about it during the day,

Starting point is 01:35:50 thinking about it, oh, having bouncing this shit off. You go, you were talking about a job or you got to learn out of work with others. Try putting your life in someone's hands. Because everything I let you do me i let you do to me right you're not a fucking tough guy and that's where i fucking drew the line and that's where i said to you i realized that none of the shit that i did in college football

Starting point is 01:36:10 fucking mattered the 40 time didn't fucking matter anymore the 56 inch box jump didn't fucking matter anymore the amount i bench press 225 don't fucking matter anymore it matters to the gladiator yeah win the people win your freedom yeah win the crowd win the crowd when your freedom that is what this is that is the world in which i live in win the people win your freedom okay i was able to do that with a microphone absolute freedom and i have absolute freedom now on a microphone and i'll say whatever the fuck i want whatever the fuck i want to say it on fourth rope and that's why it will be the hottest pro wrestling show on the planet because we don't give a fuck we got rappers that own our

Starting point is 01:36:57 shit we're cool bro we're the cool kids on a fucking block we really fucking are how much of a change i mean you hinted at it earlier and then we got off of it though how much of like a mental change is it once they did make you the heel and even if you didn't want to do that where you go from i had no choice nice guy clean to now like fuck it's look at you got a job man and if you are working on the biggest fucking show on a planet and there's eight matches on a fucking card you're lucky to get on one right yeah so you got eight matches and the heavyweight titles in the main event. You got the female championship, you know, the, the ladies championship match.

Starting point is 01:37:33 You got the cruiserweight title. You got the tag team titles, the women's tag team titles, right? You got the intercontinental championship. You got the U.S. championship, bro. You got, bro, how many fucking matches are left on this card that aren't for titles? Yeah. Two, three? Right.

Starting point is 01:37:51 Now, if you can get in the opener, bro, the referee comes through the curtain and these people blow their fucking load, dude. You know what I mean? They're at the WWE, the fucking, the first match is a hot match, dude. And I personally, in pro wrestling, if you ask me, bro, and especially at Fourth Rope, I either fucking open the show or I close the show, you know? Show a little fucking respect. Yeah, I mean?

Starting point is 01:38:15 The fuck are we talking about. So, and that's kind of the job of the flyweight champion right now at Fourth Rope. As we build this thing from the ground floor, Zillifat, too, is the heavyweight champion. and his father is a famous wrestler named Umago who passed away. I believe in this young kid. He's, he's, you know, we all got a lot to learn when we're at his age, you know, and Lord knows I did. But as I come up through this business, the most gratifying thing for me at this level with what I'm doing is working younger guys, as we call them in my business green. And to that point, I was just wrestling for the company.

Starting point is 01:38:55 I worked for in Poughkeepsie about once a month we do. a show and do we sell out the mid hudson civic center mjn center dude that's like fucking a few thousand three four thousand people bro and we do a show there like once a month and where it is traveled bro i wrestled jerry the king luller in a fucking casket match there a casket match 72 years old bro pull that motherfucker up bro you wrestled a 72 year old and we made it fucking and we made it believable and i made it real and the promos leading up to this thing bro Tell her abuse If you find me wearing like a rainbow

Starting point is 01:39:29 You see this match Okay so this this picture has As you can see Cody Rhodes Enzo with the NZO That I got a cease and desist letter for From the WWE so please don't try to pull this off my Instagram guys

Starting point is 01:39:42 Actually I got a letter from Jerry McDermott Who's Vince McMahon's lawyer directly That said no more NZO So that's why real one My music persona is now my wrestling persona As well Okay I own that.

Starting point is 01:39:55 So anyway. Can I see this bad boy? You got big show. You look at the people on that. So that's independent wrestling. That's before Cody Rhodes goes back to the WWE. So in this weird matrix of crossover fucking Enzio, this guy that's been blackballed, is on shows having a Jerry the King Luller casket match with Cody Rhodes and the big show. See, that's independent wrestling, but that's the MJN Center.

Starting point is 01:40:22 That's Poughkeepsie. shout out Lombardi and the guys at N.EW on that show, but the show that we do now, awesome championship wrestling, has a lot of these stars from all over to country all over. And in Poughkeepsie, it's a, it's, you know, one of these

Starting point is 01:40:37 lost relics, like a place that's stuck into it. Oh, yeah. Yeah, like it's still in that era. They're still in, when wrestling comes to that building, it reminds all the people that watch the raw in the 1990s when they had

Starting point is 01:40:55 Hulk Hogan and macho man, Miss Elizabeth debuted in that building with macho man. Andre the Giant got his famous hair cut by Big John Stutt in that building. The 1, 2, 3 kid beat Razor Ramon in that building. The first and only ever do a W.W.E Cruiserweight tour

Starting point is 01:41:10 happened in that building. I was a fucking crown jewel on that motherfucker. Yeah, but so this building is a story and it's a great show. So it's this stronghold for pro wrestling. And it happens to for kipsy and uh man i love doing that show dude so i tell the guys that run that show i go bro i'll do this show once a month until i'm jerry lull or 70 like got a lot of time like bro

Starting point is 01:41:35 this is nothing for me to come make fun coming out you know i mean a couple little fucking you know a couple of hours and then my parents get to go to that show so my mom and dad will ride up and my mom and dad i tell those guys i'm the national champion of ac w i go i want to be in the opener the opener the crowd's always hot right and I defend this title it's kind of like their intercontinental title and my parents get to come up and get the fuck out that's cool

Starting point is 01:42:00 get to get the fuck out so I'll do this show like once a month forever shout out Tommy Dreamer the the lead guy at TNA he was the enforcer in my most recent match at ACW against Zach Clayton who is married or dating or probably something like that

Starting point is 01:42:17 Jay Wow oh yeah Zach Clayton Jersey Shore Jay Wai Jay Wow, yeah, Jay Wild, dude. Still picking, huh? Yeah, I just beat up on her fucking guy. You just beat up on her guy? Yeah, beat the shit out of him. You beat the shit out of him.

Starting point is 01:42:28 I beat, I'm fucking beating him, buddy. And I hope, uh, he was playing 32 pickup with his fucking teeth, Jay, wow. I hope you like a fucking gum drop. Recola. When was this? Uh, fucking, uh, in Poughkeepsie, New York. Uh, just, just recently. Very recently.

Starting point is 01:42:48 So you still. So August 28th, we got Westside Gonday in Buffalo, the mayorial holiday of the fucking famous rapper. And then we got the 30th, I'll be in Boker-Ratone wrestling. And then I got... Boker. Boker. Boker. Boker.

Starting point is 01:43:03 What you're fucking going to go to Mexico. What you need? I got a guy in every fire. Leave an old Cadillac with a key in a fucking gated community in a fucking in a fucking lot of the fucking local left beel. Oh, my God. Well, how you flying, bro? Come on. We ain't going to tear a barrel of a fucking local.

Starting point is 01:43:20 Who's the coolest guy you worked with over the years? The coolest guy that ever lived is Kevin Nash, and he's right rivaled there with Stone Cold Steve Austin. And they're probably, like, politically views, like, they probably view the complete opposite. Like, Kev is a liberal, like, and very known, like, he'll say whatever the fuck he feels on the internet, and he don't give a fuck what anybody has to say about it. He don't care about splitting his audience, but he's got one of the best minds for pro wrestling. made millions of dollars in the business and Stone Cold is just the coolest guy

Starting point is 01:43:54 you'll ever meet in your life. That's why he's cool. John Durs. Brother, they tell you don't meet your heroes because they'll let you down. I met them all. One guy that I never, ever really got close with or wanted to was Sean Michaels because as I mentioned, he was my fucking hero when I was a kid.

Starting point is 01:44:10 And I was like, bro, I don't need this guy fucking hating me. You know what I mean? Like he gets fucking more than 10 minutes around me. He might fucking turn around like, that mother fuck, bro, fuck that guy. this jersey trash out of here. Yeah, man. So I never wanted to disappoint that

Starting point is 01:44:24 motherfucker, bro. So I never really got to know Sean. I loved him, though. My boss was Paul Levick. I loved him, too. DX. He changed my life forever. I never got to know the guy,

Starting point is 01:44:38 you know? My boss, you know, just, he was a, bro, he was a drill sergeant. At that time, he was building something big, man. He built something really fucking big. And he,

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Starting point is 01:45:53 You know, and let them in. Separation. Separation. And I'm sure I came up through NXT, which was his baby. He just created this brand new product. He poached talent from the most notable independent organizations, I guess you would say, or other wrestling promotions around the world. And he got the best wrestlers from TNA, from Ring of Honor, from New Japan.

Starting point is 01:46:18 to come, really, he created something in Orlando that became somewhat of a function of the vacation crowd that is a stronghold and will probably never ever go anywhere where they shoot weekly television live and fill up the place every week in Orlando. And that is his farm system that has giant warehouses and multiple rings in it and the best trainers in green screen rooms and the best athletes in the world, are now getting NIL deals to go learn how to be a wrestler. When I got recruited by him, I had to be the only other person outside of Charlotte that never wasn't wrestle.

Starting point is 01:47:00 So Charlotte's dad's Rick Flair. She grew up in the fucking business. All right. So like, yeah, there's that. But she never wrestled before. And I never wrestled before. And Mojo Raleigh and Baron Corby were in the NFL. And outside of us four, no one else made it.

Starting point is 01:47:16 All the people that they got that wrestled. that they brought in these independent wrestlers from all over to Ring of Honor, dot, dot, dot, dot, dot, dot, dot. The first class that Triple H ever hired were the only ones that made it. Two guys in the NFL, Rick Flair's daughter,

Starting point is 01:47:31 and Anzo, the fucking guy from the moving truck, dude. How you fucking do? Because you guys knew how to entertain and you had athleticism in other ways. It's just timing, bro. Like, it's getting the right opportunity at the right time in front of the right crowd, man. Because I knew so many fucking

Starting point is 01:47:48 great wrestlers. Like, we lost one recently. He got shot in the stomach. A fucked up story, man. And I, and I advise anybody to go look up this story and go find his go-fund me for his son, Zach. Because my good friend, Kevin Nicol, his son, Zach, is going through something fucked up.

Starting point is 01:48:04 He got shot? Yeah, man, I could get fucked up from it. But he was my best friend. What happened? Man, he had an ex-wife who fell off the wagon, started doing drugs. He got custody of his son. So he wins the custody of his son he goes to pick up the last of his belongings or something like that

Starting point is 01:48:24 at the woman's house and she sets him up and has him shot in the stomach and the people flee he bleeds out on a fucking in the hospital or on the way to the hospital i don't know if he knew he was dying i don't know what the last fucking few hours of his life were like man it's one of the most tragic situations in pro wrestling i don't yeah this is my best buddy bro you want to talk about one sick fuck you want to talk about somebody who is fucking hilarious I mean, this guy was built for pro wrestling. And I have a match with him where you could find me and him wrestling, bro. He told me he wanted to bleed, right?

Starting point is 01:48:58 So this is me and him just working on the fucking fly because we know and trust each other better than anybody on the planet. Like, I trust this motherfucker. And we're doing something you never see anybody else doing pro wrestling. It's called work a fucking lockup, dude. They skip that and get to the drop kick. But we learn better. We learn from the best coaches in the world. of all the wrestlers that I wrestled with in NXT that if I had to point and say here's the one guy that like they missed on like that never got a shot that like could have been huge and this guy dude he was scary and this was a recent he was a scary motherfucker bro and I don't think he would have went down any other way bro

Starting point is 01:49:38 by the barrel of this is recent when this happened he just died two three weeks ago oh my god uh he I don't know that he would have died any other way than the barrel of a gun bro he was a fucking sick fuck dude hilarious one of the funniest people i've ever been around in my life um that's so sad though yeah man me and him he used to set up the ring he taught me how to set up the ring so set up the ring when you get into this business man you got to learn how to set that fucking ring up for the guys who are out there bumping in it all right and if you don't take that part seriously you ain't getting to the next part and when i first broke in i never wrestle before so I had to make myself useful bro how to fuck do you get

Starting point is 01:50:17 you know what I mean like how do I earn respect to the boys well I used to run and get made sure I got a shoulder under every ring post you know there's four of them so if I touch all four ringposts and I learn how to set up this ring and that guy was a sick fuck who knew how to set up the ring dude and he would me and him would set the ring up

Starting point is 01:50:34 and then we'd load the truck for this guy named Steve Kern who at the time before FCW became developmental NXT for Steve Kern was Dusty Roads, Steve Kern had a promotion called Florida Championship Wrestling

Starting point is 01:50:51 that dated back to the fucking 70s. That name kind of lingered throughout Florida and it had a stronghold in Tampa where they had a facility with two wrestling rings and then what I thought, to this day, like bro, I could close my eyes and probably remote view the Florida Championship Wrestling facility.

Starting point is 01:51:11 Remote view it. Yeah, yeah, like Joe McGonicle. Uh-huh. I can, I can fucking close my eyes and Joe McGoggle. Just fucking put my goggles on and fucking get my Joe McGonogical right into the fucking a middle of Dale Maybury Boulevard in Tampa, bro. So there's this place in Dale Mayberry that's, that's an old black warehouse that the greatest memories for anybody, bro. You ask anyone who was in the WWE, the only place they ever wanted to be.

Starting point is 01:51:40 They grew up watching the product I watched. Look, and I'm fucking a product of here. I'm a northeast guy. So Madison Square Garden is the Mecca. The Isad Center wasn't, the Prudential Center wasn't even a thing when I was a kid growing up. Continental Airlines Arena. So I didn't know about like the wrestling in the South. I didn't know about WCW and all that shit.

Starting point is 01:52:03 By the time I have action figures, my parents don't even want to tell me about more wrestling because I'm a violent kid getting kicked out of school and shit, you know, being an asshole. So I went to alternative school, bro. I took an alternative route and I had an alternative. Oh, yeah, buddy. Shout out to fucking Paul G. Davis and, you know, Craig, Robert L. Craig and Mounaki, bro. I was a bad kid. Wrote a short bus to school.

Starting point is 01:52:29 It's a long story. It's a short bus. But I used to ride every day with a kid named Raymond who spelt out everything he saw. Stop. S. T. O. P.

Starting point is 01:52:43 And me, and you just, like, this is real life, man. So I knew I wanted to be a wrestler, and they knew to put me on the short bus with all the other kids. So I fucking, but I, I fucking, I, I, I killed it on the SAT. And then they knew I could go play college football. They're like, he's not retarded. Bro. Hey, listen. I always say it, right?

Starting point is 01:53:04 Because you know this as well as anyone, and you speak to a lot of them, and you know people. The comedian has always got the best lens, the most rational thought. The guy who says the things that's also not afraid to say the things, George Carlin, like the Andrew Scholes of the world now, like they are making light of the world around us. You have to. You need that. The world around us.

Starting point is 01:53:31 And as the wrestler who witnessed the craziest timing, like my life was timing. I was in the right room at the right time a lot of the time. The day I debuted on TV, just to happen to be an NXT show that John Sino was on. John Sina was booked in the dark match by Triple H and the powers that be to hold the town. See, if you book John Sina on NXT and we're starting this brand new thing, but you bring John Sina down. It's a big event for all the people that are coming, right?

Starting point is 01:54:03 We're not going to fucking let John Sino walk through the curtain until the show's over. You know what I'm saying? Because if we bring them out at the beginning, nobody's going to stay. Yeah, they're all gone. So there's a four-hour episode of NXT, and it just so happens to be the night that I debut. And I've never wrestled before. And I'm just sitting backstage eating a fucking donut. I got hammered drunk the night before because today's my day off, bro.

Starting point is 01:54:24 I have been coming to all these NXT shows, dude, and they haven't used me on any of them, right? So this, this ain't like practice. Every day on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, I'm waking up at 6. 6 a.m. and beating Bill DeMott's fat ass to work. Hey, Bill, I beat you fat ass to work every fucking day. Everybody in the WW can kiss my ass because they know it's true that I beat everyone to work in NXT

Starting point is 01:54:47 every day. I woke up and I sat on the stairs and waited for the guy to open the door. Bang. That's how you get where you want to get, kids. Be the first guy in and the last guy to leave. That's right. That's why the first guy on the block every day. I did it, bro. So I don't have to fight. It's not a lie. So if you ask Seth Rollins or ask Roman Raines, who was

Starting point is 01:55:03 the first guy sitting on the steps at FCW every day waiting for you guys to open the fucking door, they'd say it was Enzo. That's exactly right. Right. Who's the first guy to get a sneaker deal in the WWA? Enzo. Anzo. Nothing's a coincidence, kids.

Starting point is 01:55:17 Nothing's a coincidence. So, um, yeah, I was telling you about something. But now you're into aliens. I was out there sucking on my show. A blowjob's better than no job, kids. But now you sit around and watch alien videos. Yes, you APs. You think it's real?

Starting point is 01:55:41 I'm all in on everything. I have videos I can show you where I've seen things in the sky. Oh, you've seen stuff. I saw a thing in France that I could show you to blow your fucking mind. In France. Yeah. After I prayed to St. Michael, too, which was odd. That's interesting.

Starting point is 01:55:55 It was odd, right? Yeah. I was having a prayer. Where were you in? What did you say? I don't know if you believe in the stones, but I know all about the telepathy tapes. And there's no question that I've got to touch it. You know what?

Starting point is 01:56:05 A little tism next to you? Oh, buddy. Come on. Are you kidding me, bro? I mean, how did I fucking do the SATs? I was cheating off the kid next to me. I don't know how to fuck. Do we have the same test?

Starting point is 01:56:14 Like, what are the odds in that shit? I don't fucking know, bro. But I got into college. I got into the same school that John Cino went to. So you can't tell me nothing, all right? And he's done well for himself. The pride of the pride, by the way, because that's what they're called. The pride.

Starting point is 01:56:30 And I'm not speaking about the pride of Asbury Park. I'm not speaking about the pride of the pride of Asbury Park. I'm talking about the pride of Springfield College. A pack of lions. It's a pack of lions. Much like my favorite. family, the L-Y-O-N-S Lions of New Jersey, okay? And

Starting point is 01:56:45 my grandmother, as I was so briefly touching on earlier, was sold as a slave to a Canadian family during the fucking potato famine in Ireland. Inventured servitude shit, right? Yeah. Wow. So, that's true shit. Yeah. Swear to God. And now I got my

Starting point is 01:57:01 fucking Irish passport. So when I busted into Europe the first time, our buddy, mutual friend, Finn Baller, better known as Finn Baller, Fergal We're walking into fucking overseas into Europe And he knows that I'm a European citizen But nobody else knows

Starting point is 01:57:17 Because I didn't tell them really So we're like landed And all the people are waiting on lines for customs You know what I'm saying And I just breathed in the line of Europe Dude, I can't even tell you How many European wrestlers looked at me like Enzo, you're in the wrong line

Starting point is 01:57:30 I'm like, am I bitch? That's a motherfucking European passport I've never been in this country If this doesn't tell you who the fuck I am a human. I don't know what the... I just partnered up with this seven feet tall guy who was tall, so I could go, and you're seven feet tall

Starting point is 01:57:47 and you can't teach that. Right? It's like, bro. Hey, bro, can you help me? Can you help me help myself here, bro? You didn't throw in your Connor McGregor accent to fuck with him? Dude, I was doing McGregor. I went to the Connor McGregor Floyd Mayweather fight because Vince McMahon sent me there. Vince McMahon.

Starting point is 01:58:05 He sent you there? Vince McMahon, man. Bro, what I'm telling you, I was the cruiserweight champion of fucking world, bro. Vince McMahon made me tweet, pulled me into a room. Big Cass is my eyewitness because thank God he was a witness because people probably even fucking wouldn't believe me. Me and Big Cass are breaking up and they

Starting point is 01:58:20 pull him into a room and we're a tag team breaking up and they tell him what he's doing. And then Vince tells me what I'm doing. And he goes, you're going to be the cruise weight champ and I want you tweet that Connor McGregor picking a fight. We want McGregor for fucking WrestleMania. Oh, you want McGregor? For me, me versus

Starting point is 01:58:36 McGregor because I'm becoming a bad guy heal but i'm becoming the bad guy heel that runs his mouth runs his mouth and runs away you get it yeah the flare thing you know like i got more money than you i'm the champ and when you give the heel the title you give him a license to kill on the microphone because now even though everybody watched the match and for 20 fucking minutes i got my ass kicked just 20 minutes of getting my ass kicked. And then on the 19th minute, I kick him in the fucking nuts when the referee's not looking

Starting point is 01:59:11 and I put my feet on the ropes and I pin them, right? And I run out of a ring with the title and now what do I do? I tell everybody, I beat his ass for 20 minutes, 20 long minutes. I whipped his ass all the way from fucking Broadway to fucking Fifth Avenue back around

Starting point is 01:59:26 the corner and then I fucking won this title because I'm the best in the world and you all saw it and you all know it. It's the tail oldest time, right? I'm the bad guy who just told... Bro, we just watched you get your ass kick for 20 minutes. You just kicked them in the nuts. But you won the match.

Starting point is 01:59:42 You won the match. So you still are the champion. You still are the champion. So this is the license to kill as a heel. So I became a champion, not with my partner Big Cass, as a baby face. I was a baby face with Big Cass, and we were one of the most popular acts at the time in NXT,

Starting point is 02:00:00 and then we became the number one merchandise sellers in all of pro wrestling, surpassing John Sina as rookies. That was fucking nuts. Nothing can prepare. Do you get a piece in that? Two people, yeah, 2.5%. Enough money to change my fucking life forever.

Starting point is 02:00:17 Thank you for that. I appreciate it. You spare me a fucking shackle, guys. What the fuck is going on? You fucking guys. Penny's from heaven. They answered all my prayers, though. They really did, dude.

Starting point is 02:00:30 They really did. No, it was a dream come true to work for them and be out there in front of a lot of people. and they never forget you. That's the most important part, man. And it offered me an opportunity. I want to show one piece that will give you more insight into why when I was a baby face, I say all the time, look it, man, I don't give a fuck what anybody says.

Starting point is 02:00:52 Look at the guy who is the champion Cody Rhodes in the WWA. His mentor was my boss, Dusty Rhodes. Dusty Rhodes would tell you I'm the fucking best. His fucking dad would tell you, bro. His fucking dad would tell you. Dusty Rhodes put the microphone in my fucking hand. And then he told the writers to let Enzo say what he wants. Right.

Starting point is 02:01:12 And that's to a degree. I mean, when they write, how are you? I can change it to how you do it. But when they say, when they say, you're doing this and you're doing that. I, I fucking do this. I do that. Right. But here's the thing.

Starting point is 02:01:29 I can't sit here and fucking begin to tell you what it's like to wrestle as me unless you're, me. But when you go through the fucking curtain, I got them by the balls for the second I fucking go out there with my entrance till the second the match is over. And I don't have to fucking dive. I don't have to flip. I don't have to grab tables, ladders, or

Starting point is 02:01:48 chairs. I do not have to do that shit. I do not have to fucking bleed. And that is called cheat pop in my business. And as I say, I don't drink RC Cola. I earn this shit by writing better material, and that's what I am. I'm a writer. That's what

Starting point is 02:02:04 I am. People say, okay, I'm a writer at Fourth Rope. I'm a producer at Fourth Rope. I'm a wrestler at Fourth Rope. But in the WWE, I was the writer of promos. And I have written more promos if I died today than fucking anybody will ever, ever. I don't give a fuck what anyone says. You're not me, so you don't know what's in my phone. But I've written more fucking wrestling material promos than anyone ever will. I know it thoroughly. Actually, John Sina probably knows it because the first time I worked with John Sina I pulled out a book, a binder that I should have brought here that's this thick

Starting point is 02:02:38 it's thousand pages thousands, thousands of pages columnized like a newspaper because I went to school for journalism I would column my shit and just write it and I would just free write. You went from the short bus to journalism that's a step up. I knew how to write but I just didn't know how to spell that's why I made all my money

Starting point is 02:02:54 going essay WFP Shuff! I think I'm joking man Uh, so this, I brought, I was working with John Sina and I cut a promo, uh, with him in the ring in Washington, D.C. Uh, he was my tag team partner. And that day, when, when you're working with John, you can do whatever you want. John shows up to the building and we're on John's time. So when I show up to the building and I'm in NXT, I'm talking to the guy that I'm wrestling, the second I find out I'm wrestling to, you know what I mean?

Starting point is 02:03:28 Yeah. We're sitting by the ring and we're talking about what we're going to do. And we're waiting for a pretty. and then we're going to tell us that when John shows up to the building he's signing a million autographs he's taking a million pictures and he'll fucking get to you

Starting point is 02:03:40 when he fucking gets to you bro right and when he gets to you he is more calm, cool and collected than anybody you've ever met and he'll go through the curtain and not know what he's going to do on the microphone or in the ring so he's an improviser

Starting point is 02:03:55 and I am I am now I am now the only guy I've seen doing it I don't know if anybody else is doing it if you're doing it show me motherfucker please please show me show me

Starting point is 02:04:09 because it fucking probably sucked I had the honor and the privilege of doing what I do now all over the world but in front of Brett Hart in the dungeon the famous Brett Hart dungeon okay the dungeon family Stu Hart had a big

Starting point is 02:04:27 he had a basement bro and that's where motherfuckers went hard and learned had a wrestle and it's the shit of lore and brett heart now runs dungeon wrestling which was formerly known as stampede wrestling at the stampede arena in calgary where he is god if you go there brett hart is the fuck man heart bro bro brought the hitman heart walks around calgary with fucking police escorts like but doesn't need them they just they want to be around him like i'm talking about like bro everyone in their uncle he is the man bro in calgary and the stampede is called a stampede because they wrestle in an old horse uh stampede um stampede

Starting point is 02:05:01 place they have a little arena in it and that's a very famous arena we're fucking great wrestling was wrestling in the 60s 70s and uh and and so i wrestled in front of brett but i went up to brett and i have my little brother brett who's named after brett um yeah your little brother's named after my little brother was born on june 13th on june 11th i watched brett hart wrestle in the eyes on center i still have the ticket continental airlines arena in jersey and and in me and my dad we were my family we named brett my brother after bratt hart one so and my little brother's name is brett art brett hart kind of you know so uh i dealt my brother i'm like bro bring the camera out i got one for you so we go there and i broke down the fourth wall for my

Starting point is 02:05:50 brother but i've never showed the footage i don't figure out what i do with it when when the time is right but i knew what i was doing that day nobody else is doing so i went there and i said hey brett Do you mind if I fucking call it completely on the fly in the ring to your boy? So I wrestled Brett Hart's protege, his personal assistant, a pro wrestler that is constantly with Brett, working with him all the time and wrestling in the dungeon. His name is Mo Jabari. And I know Mo can go because I've wrestled them before. So I have a little feel for you.

Starting point is 02:06:20 So once I have a little feel for you and we've done things before, when I pick you up and I might do something, you know what I'm probably going to do. But pick you up over my head, you know what I'm going to do, right? right that was all i needed but um i wrestled this kid on the fucking fly but i have my brother filming it so you can kind of see where i'm calling it and like i'm calling it completely on the fly and i go 20 fucking plus minutes in the ring complete improv for 20 that's a long 20 plus the other night i did it for 36 minutes in ACW total curtain to curtain but this was different because it was a main event so i went 20 minutes in the semi made event with with uh but but the reason why i say this is because I did it in front of Brett Hart.

Starting point is 02:06:59 Now, you see, I don't give a fuck what the fans think about me as a wrestler. What they think they know, what they think they know about me as a as a quote-unquote shooter in pro wrestling, right? Like a fighter, like someone who knows how to take you down or judo or someone who does

Starting point is 02:07:15 jujitsu or a boxer, whatever you're, you know, taekwondo, whatever you're a shooter at. I mean, I know that Vince McMahon used to he had a few guys Johnny Rods being one of them

Starting point is 02:07:30 Vince McMahon senior would have guys let's say you're a green kid in pro wrestling you're going to the ring in Madison Square Garden and Vince McMahon wants to know if you can go or not he'll send his guy Johnny Rods said a ring with him you wrestle Johnny Rods Johnny Rods comes through the curtain and he looks at Vince

Starting point is 02:07:45 and goes yay or day that's it right can he wrestle does he have a future because Johnny Rods if Johnny Rods can't pull a match out of you then you fucking suck dude you're done yeah so I work completely on the fly now And I don't do it to disrespect old guys or veterans in my business, so I don't really work them. I work guys that are young, that are hungry, that want to wrestle Anzoa Moray, that are going to get something out of it.

Starting point is 02:08:08 Like, I got something out of wrestling John Sina and with John Sina. Because the only other person and performer I know in my business that does what I do is John Sina. That's amazing. Fuck what you heard. Fuck what you heard. It's what you're hearing. I'm telling you right now, I don't. know anybody else besides John that would just show up and call it two minutes before he goes

Starting point is 02:08:30 through the curtain. So that's what I do. That's wild that he's the guy that's like that too because he's the dude, as you've alluded to, and everyone out there knows has the most cameras on him everywhere he goes. Every little movie does his watch. He's larger than life. He's well. That's why he's the fucking best, bro. Fuck what anybody says. John's seen is the best that what I do, it has nothing to do with how much he bench presses, whether he can lift you up over his head or anything. It has strictly to do with timing and the crowd. Right. Two things. The crowd and timing.

Starting point is 02:08:59 Watches matches. Watches matches without your eyes. Just listen. That is the indicator. And when I would go to shows, you know, the old Eddie Guerrero shit, I go in and I listen to the opening of the show, right? I go out there and I listen to the intros and then match one. And if I hear, ooh, whoa, whoa.

Starting point is 02:09:18 That's blood and guts, man. They're popping for the fucking blood and gut. If I hear, ah, ooh-ah, I know those are kids and wives out there in families, and we got to put on an entertainment we're doing doink the clown we're doing fucking running and and chucking and diving and then oh wait this is a blood and guts crowd i'm caught my forehead open i'm bleeding and i'm i'm getting hit with chairs that's what they're going to pop for so eddie guerrero would go to the curtain before every single show and he told this to my coach joey mercury so joey mercury then said it to me and i was a big carrier on of this i i don't need

Starting point is 02:09:48 to hear it i don't need to hear it so i'll go out there and i'll listen to you and i'll know what you want give the people what they want and give the people what they want you know what i mean and so i've learned how to wrestle completely without talking to my opponent outside of the finish so we'll we'll figure out what it is that we're going to do for the one two three but outside of that i'm going to talk to you out there right and no one's going to know i'm talking to you and i will call everything every single thing and it might be one word it might be three words it might be a conversation but you won't fucking know. And that's the lost art of what it is that I do. And to me,

Starting point is 02:10:24 it meant more than anything to learn how to do that better than anyone in the world because when I was in the WWE, I was the most highly produced wrestler maybe there. Like, I'm greener than goose shit. I just learned how to wrestle underneath the viewer umbrella. You know what I mean? And it's

Starting point is 02:10:40 raining cats and dogs all the fuck around me, bro. And so, like, I'm this character, and I got a spot on the card that's an eight-match card. And I'm not in the main event having title matches where I'm going through tables and shit, but eventually I become the main event of Monday Night Raw with the Cruiserweight

Starting point is 02:10:58 championship, which is insane. Unique. I'm the only person to ever main event raw with the cruiserweight fucking title that I know of. It might have happened. Unique road to get there, though, in every way. Every way. But at the time, Brock Lester was the heavyweight champion of the world. He was on a, like, I'll show up once a month type shit. You know what I'm

Starting point is 02:11:15 saying? They were building up this big star. So who was going to be on the three-hour threat of Monday night raw for the 25th anniversary the cruise away chit right and and that's a three hour threat of the biggest show of all time the next day i'm fucking fired 3 000 people show out the time square based on a picture i drop a music video that gets millions of views then my next wrestling booking well here's the thing right well i've never really called w w w because i'll be honest with you man i don't want to face that demon of like the same you don't want to face that no no face the demon of what happens when they don't answer you know what i mean

Starting point is 02:11:50 You know, like, be honest with yourself. Like, do I have Hunter's number? I've shot him texts, you know, happy Father's Day. Merry Christmas and gotten responses, which is like good enough for me. But have I picked up the phone to call anyone there and ask for my job back that can give it to me? Fucking no. But it's worked out for you? But that's the thing, man.

Starting point is 02:12:11 I'm not one of those who complains about his situation because I saw my best friends die. I saw a guy try to kill himself in my tag team party. partner, Big Cass, with alcohol, that you can't imagine being consumed. I'm talking about Andre the Giant. I walked in on it. I'm doing an autograph signing in Chicago with Big Cass. The next day, I fly home. My phone's ringing from his mom.

Starting point is 02:12:36 Big Cass, I have his mom's number. She's calling me. I answer. She goes, yeah, I share locations with Cass. I have his location. He hasn't left Chicago. I'm like, what the fuck you mean? We just did a signing last night.

Starting point is 02:12:46 Wendy's most important deal of the day has a fresh lineup. pick any two breakfast items for four dollars new four piece french toast sticks bacon or sausage wrap biscuit or english muffin sandwiches small hot coffee and more limited time only at participating wendy's taxes extra he's supposed to be on a flight i call my homies in chicago to go check on him at the hotel dude he sends me a video i'm facetiming him bro there's fucking two 30 racks between the time that i saw cass at 10 p.m. at night and in this next morning he's cleared 2 30 racks Three bottles of jack. Like cases of wine.

Starting point is 02:13:24 Cases of wine. No human can drink this much, except for fucking Andre the Giant and probably Big Cass. He's 400 pounds. He's out of shape. He's trying to kill himself. And I'm trying to talk him off a cliff.

Starting point is 02:13:38 And I don't fucking know. Bro, I'm the cat called the kettle black. I'm over here smoking a fucking joint. Hey, bro, you need to fucking stop drinking that shit, you know what I'm smoking a cigarette, you know? you need this. But I was trying to be there for him and look it, dude. I'm no help. He had to

Starting point is 02:13:53 help himself, man. He needed to do what he needed to do. And he found an angel and his wife, Lexi. I can't even begin to explain what I witnessed. I didn't think there was any coming back from this for him. I was 100% certain big cast was like, we had to get him help. So here's what happens.

Starting point is 02:14:09 I go to Chicago. I fly back the same fucking day. So I fly from Chicago to New Jersey. I booked myself a flight and then I get back to Chicago. I know Cass can't get on no fucking airplanes and there ain't nobody else but animal to help hawk and hawk to help animal this is real life tag team shit this is wwee tag team shit this and so and cast pro and nobody can find out about what cast is going through right now and i got to come in and take the flight on the same fucking day but only him and i can have this

Starting point is 02:14:39 relationship to where when i walk into a hospital and he's there hooked up to an iv because he just had a seizure and nearly died from a fucking OD from alcohol. You can't quit alcohol cold turkey. My man tried to quit alcohol cold turkey and seizureed out. I walk in the hospital,

Starting point is 02:15:00 I haven't seen this guy in years. We actually had a falling out on the way out of WWE. On my way out the door, I was not friends with him anymore. What happened? It took a toll on us, man. Just being tag team partners.

Starting point is 02:15:12 Everything that he did, everything that I did, it was married. So you get in trouble I get in trouble And I get in trouble You get in trouble It's one thing after another

Starting point is 02:15:20 Bro You know you're a tag team party You're married to each other As we say in my business Is there also like an ego thing There in the sense Yeah he wanted his singles run I was down for mine

Starting point is 02:15:30 I knew I was gonna be a cruiserweight The goal was he goes his way Becomes a champion I go my way become a champion We come back together We fight Sean and Diesel style But that's not what God had planned God had a greater plan

Starting point is 02:15:43 For the both of us because what he's managed to do since he left WWE, it's far greater than what you can achieve in a wrestling ring. I mean, he helps people, bro. People DM him, and he answers. It's heart-wrenching. So I know I'm the worst. I'm doing a lover right now.

Starting point is 02:16:02 So I get to fucking Chicago, bro. I throw Cass over my shoulder. I put him in a rental car, and I'm driving to fucking Queens, New York, to meet his mom, to drop him off at the hospital. You drive from Chicago? What am I going to do? Put him on a fucking flight?

Starting point is 02:16:17 What am I? This fucking seven-foot-tall guy falling all over the place. I had to put him in a fucking wheelchair. Push him through the hospital. Get him in the fucking car. And then I get in the car and I look at him and I'm like, you're paying for this.

Starting point is 02:16:30 You're paying for the fucking flight. You're paying for the fucking rental car because this all just came out of my pocket off the money we made last night at the fucking meeting. You know what I mean? So all the Enzo and cash shit. But here's what I'm saying.

Starting point is 02:16:41 The first time I'd seen him was right before this. He had relapsed. This was the relapse. Before that, he quit cold turkey. He's in a hospital. I walk in a room, dude. I haven't seen each other. We hate each other.

Starting point is 02:16:54 I walk in and I see him, dude. Immediate pop. In a hospital gown laid up to IVs, walk in the room, immediately laughing. Because the thing is, it's Enzo and Cass. We haven't seen each other in a while. And Enzo's looking at you, like, but what the fuck did you do?

Starting point is 02:17:12 Like, you know what I mean? Like, bro, you got four. up like dad, dude, how long have you been drinking, man? What the fuck happened, bro? You know what I'm saying? Dude, it's like, what the fuck, bro? What did this shit happen? How'd you fall so far off the wagon?

Starting point is 02:17:27 So now we're in the shits. Now he's far off the wagon, and I'm in a car driving through Indiana, right? And I'm like, dude, you really fuck this one up to. Like, oh my God, I'm driving. I'm angry, but he's going on and off. He's going from hot to cold, hot to cold, singing Nirvana one minute, cry in the next, dude.

Starting point is 02:17:47 I see a sign for South Bend, Indiana, Notre Dame. Oh, my God, bro. The only fucking thing that this guy. Bro, what's better than Jesus? Football, Jesus. What? Well, my this is what we got to?

Starting point is 02:18:05 I fucking bang a left at Albuquerque. Speaking of, I actually did that, but that's another story for another day, probably. that has a lot to do with DMT but anyway I fucking dude I take this guy to South Bend I need a shower after this

Starting point is 02:18:21 I'm a huge Notre Dame fan and I've never been I got this tattoo in Ireland I can tell yeah so I go to I go to looking you show that one again Hey look at that guy What the fuck

Starting point is 02:18:34 The little modern name guy It's the first logo He's got the sigging of Matt Was he drunk You remember when he had the siggin' about The guy was drunk No he wasn't drunk He did a good job

Starting point is 02:18:41 Got it. Hey, how about the Sinatra right here? The Sinatra is nice. Hey, that's Mark Mahoney. Hey, shout out. Hey, shout out Ricky Medlock and Leonard Skinner, okay? Want to talk about some real shit. You ever get your phone flipped here and see Leonard Skinner? Can we stay on the South Bend thing?

Starting point is 02:18:56 All right. Stay on that because we're never going to get back to whatever. We get the South Bend on way from fucking, you know, stairway to heaven. No, that's Led Zeppelin. This is Skinner, I was talking about. But there's got a story for you about Curtis Lowe as well. So I go to South Bend, Indiana. we pull into the fucking part we just go see football jesus we walk around and fucking uh you know

Starting point is 02:19:17 i'm fucking doing one for the gipper here and i end up with uh with this guy in church bro just praying our asses off you know we're i'm slightly autistic i think he is too so we got the beads we're praying bro and these things got amethyst so you know the manifestation's going to be good and real so we got the beads what a lot come on guys a little grace uh so We fucking bust down, dude. I bought a bunch of beads that day. You ever been to the fucking South Bend, Indiana, fucking bookstore?

Starting point is 02:19:47 Get over to Notre Dame. Greatest bookstore on the planet? Unfucking believable. So I get over to the... This guy goes on his way from that day. Church, boom, goes to Queens, goes off to rehab, gets his shit together,

Starting point is 02:20:01 signs a wrestling contract, gets another wrestling contract, and is wrestling in front of fucking, I don't know, tens, if not 100, thousand and in uh in in in london england for a e w at all in making a real comeback um what a story that's awesome what a what a fucking story he's still with us and i've lost so many i've lost so fucking many to pills and drugs see the kids they mix the uppers with the fucking down so i when we

Starting point is 02:20:33 were growing up that was that's a lie half my friends are fucking dead bro so yeah we got way off this earlier, but I wanted to ask about this, especially within, like, wrestling and some of the guys who have struggled with that. Do you think more of that has come from the mental and physical toll of doing what they do on a day-in-day-out basis,

Starting point is 02:20:54 obviously not just performing, but the things that go into being prepared for that? Or do you think it's more from, you know, getting famous and being a part of the party lifestyle and just making one decision to kind of least others? They've weeded that out so much, man. So, so fucking

Starting point is 02:21:10 much. The business that I broke into, I was on the tail end of that shit. You know, because when I got into WWE, I never was in wrestling before that. So there's people that come into WWE with a wrestling background that there's, I'm sure, like every other job,

Starting point is 02:21:26 every other genre of work, there's that drug and crowd, there's that drinking crowd, there's that smoking crowd, there's the crowd that does them all, right? So you're going to find those people, but they WWD and let them through the door, bro. And, I'll be honestly, when I got signed to WWB, bro, I deleted my social media imprint upon signing

Starting point is 02:21:46 so that you could never find a trace of me on the internet before that, because I'm sure I said some dumb-ass fuck shit when I was on MySpace and Facebook in 2005, bro. Read a little Wayne, you know. Go to archive.io. Oh, geez. No. Falls, my God, bro. I was dropping a big dick remix, volume six on that, motherfucker.

Starting point is 02:22:10 I was out there mixed tapes My wrestling name was Long Dick Parmesan I used to go by LDP LDP LDP bro Well speaking of LDP that has nothing to do with it How did what happened with this This weave went all over what happened with this

Starting point is 02:22:28 Prane St. Michael in France and then you see a fucking UFO Is that what happened? I could find the video Just by going to France and I'll show you. Where were you in France? So I could summon its UFOs much like fucking your homie and you think I'm not my home who's my homie who can summon you know motherfucker from uh you know who the fuck he is uh sat down with danny i know that jesse no not jesse michael's man this guy watch i'm gonna have the fed o riley's roll it up at my fucking crib in no time um i'll show you so many videos i got him but you're not talking about blood cell yeah blood cell ah he's full of shit he's full of shit

Starting point is 02:23:02 he's full of shit oh but he's just a nice christian yeah he's a nice christian selling god and UFOs france i just go to france And here's, all right, so look it. There you will see. I don't want to shoot. Don't play anybody because I'm so mind-blown. I'm probably talking so crazy. Santa Michael, look at what you're showing me.

Starting point is 02:23:25 Holy shit. Wait, why were you talking to St. Michael? What was why you're doing in on that? Hit pause. Now look at all the colors. Now go through it slowly. Look at how it changes colors. Keep going.

Starting point is 02:23:37 And look how it changes colors over and over again. could see the craziest shit in that and now i'll show you as it moves i'll show you a multiple of those i'll show you an array of those coming around i'll show you me in new jersey this is in marseilles that's in marseilles france that was the first time i saw him could pull up a map of marseilles france so first time i'm ever in marseille france that was where i saw them next time i saw them was in new jersey right after that trip in my hometown of waldwick so this was the early parts of the Jersey drones. It's the first Jersey drones.

Starting point is 02:24:10 But it came right after I saw that already. That's interesting. Marseille, on the coast. Yeah. That is, wow. Buddy. I mean, I don't know what that is. I don't know if it's a UFO, but that ain't a plane.

Starting point is 02:24:24 That could be Star Lake or something, right? No, it ain't a plane. I might have the craziest UFO footage on the fucking planet, and nobody knows it. But I'm on this show. Maybe that was the fucking plan here. Hey, when a Fed show up at my fucking house, need everybody to know here i'm not suicidal okay you don't look suicidal i'm not yeah but i got the fucking the powers you think they've been here i got the powers to pull them in i could pull them in

Starting point is 02:24:47 off the fucking pier i can i can show you i can get those things to show up at the end of the pier you think they've been here i don't know what they are but how about what the fuck is that bro like what the fuck is that why is it changing colors look it it is strange what is that what is that and why do I why am I seeing it in Marsa now here's the thing that I'm going to prove it to you okay so if you look as you start playing look at where that is right there relative to that sign okay you see where that sign is yeah relative to that sign now when I pull it up you're going to see relative to that sign this thing will move all the way across the fucking the grid here so when it started it wasn't there yeah but how far behind it is that uh the first video

Starting point is 02:25:36 probably has the most so look at where it is there so look at where it is you see that it's off to the left at a sign you see what i'm saying look at where it ends up closer yeah it's far back so look at where it is up there all right now i show how much time apart is that from the first or five minutes and i discovered multiple though but there was look at that thing fucking going bro what the fuck is that that is a little strange and there was multiple i discovered yeah as your plans what the fuck am I looking at

Starting point is 02:26:11 and then I see another one coming out see watch next to the sun right there there's two there was like three they were all moving around I was like the fuck is going on bro what the fuck is that there's a lot of colors on them too I could pull up more of them

Starting point is 02:26:30 but from my hometown all I got to do is look up a video be shooting in the sky and probably yeah here this is later in 2020 this isn't 2024 and look at i'm looking yeah and that's a little fucking walden oh wait that's like all right so that one's not changing colors though yeah it is that not like the other one the other one this is all from green to blue but it might switch colors yeah it's it's two it's two colors yeah that that was more We're like what the drones.

Starting point is 02:27:06 That's what the drones here were. Yeah. That's what it looked like the orb things. So I'm like telling people and they think I'm fucking nuts. So I don't say anything to anybody. I'm like, you know, I tell my mom. You just did. I know, I did.

Starting point is 02:27:18 So I tell my mom and dad, I'm like, I'm like this fucking guy, Chris Blitzel. I can fucking summon these things, right? I'm like, you wouldn't even believe it. Watch this. Come outside. Come outside. Watch this. I'm going to get one of these fucking things.

Starting point is 02:27:30 I stand outside of my parents' front door after coming back from Marseilles and seeing these things, seeing these things two nights that are. row i'm like watch i guarantee i'm gonna pull one in from fucking here i stood on my mom's front porch maybe 15 20 minutes staring at the sky didn't see anything all the sudden there one was i pulled my phone out and i videotaped it i have a bunch of those videos you think they've been here um i don't know what the fuck's going on bro i'm pretty much pretty sure pedophiles were in the world and that aliens are real that drako are here and took a it took a left He's fucking, you know,

Starting point is 02:28:02 everything Alex Jones said is fucking pretty much accurate. There's little pieces in there where he's right. No, I don't know what to believe anymore, but being on the other side of the curtain in the world of entertainment, and I've watched from a distance and... It's working out for you, you know?

Starting point is 02:28:19 Everything's working out. I have more blessed than ever than I've ever been. I have lost some incredible people in my life that I'll never get back. And I'll be honest with you. I thought I'd be back to WWE by now. And I was not... Dude, you couldn't have told me. Bray Wyatt wouldn't be there with me.

Starting point is 02:28:33 My best buddy is dead and gone. Brody, my buddy, dead, gone. You know, the locker room's changed. The money's shifted. People made a lot of money in that business. I don't know money changes people. Maybe some have changed. Maybe some haven't.

Starting point is 02:28:51 People have had to get humbled, get fired, and come back. And so the landscape of pro wrestling has changed. um the company i worked for has changed the people that were in this business have changed i lost a lot um and i learned a lot you know when you get your whole life changed the way that i did in a matter of 24 hours and your family goes through when i went through and uh you have nowhere to go because at the time when i got fired there was nowhere else to wrestle it was wwe or nothing now i've had to climb and figure out where i would go and um you know i'm not i'm not i'm not i'm not a politics guy i don't i didn't i never really hung out with wrestlers i didn't sit around and

Starting point is 02:29:37 uh play politics you know yeah i just i did this shit yeah you got your own lane man you got your own lane it's worked out for you in the end but it's nice to see you like doing well and doing your thing and being passionate about it especially like bouncing back from all that because you know it it sucks when shit like that happens to people and then you know again people are loud for but you don't have the platform you know that was one of the hardest parts about it imagine having a microphone in one of the biggest stages in the

Starting point is 02:30:08 world and I'm the only guy getting a mic every night dude the fuck you heard yeah John Cena's got a microphone every night of his career so the fuck do I Anzo Moray bro and I deserve it because I'm not gonna I'm not gonna curse I'm not gonna fucking risk the company and the PG thing that we got going on

Starting point is 02:30:25 and I'm not gonna and you might have to me of all people bro of all people This episode got age restricted. If you got a fucking microphone in your hand in 2000, fucking 12 through 2018 and you're in the WWE, you ain't cursing. Right. And you better be trusted because the ultimate trust is the life. Your brain short-circuit and not doing that.

Starting point is 02:30:44 The lifeblood of the business is that microphone. I never even got caught on radio cursing dropping an F-bomb. I almost changed the way I spoke in real life to accommodate those things. Like I almost stopped cursing and now, dude, after watching a guy like, Matt McAfee on ESPN dropping fucking F-bombs with his homies and shit. I'm like, dude, fuck this. The fucking wheels are off the same. I'm fucking, bro.

Starting point is 02:31:07 I cut a promo that was crazy not that long ago. And people were like, you're going to get canceled for that. And I was like, dude, my boss sold crack. Yeah, you survived it all. You're good. I am not, bro. You could, no, no, no, no. I ain't getting canceled.

Starting point is 02:31:22 I'm the flyweight fucking champ in the world for a reason. And you're still got it, bro. You're fucking nasty on that mic. Yeah, this is my gift from God, and I've always never really done a podcast for myself because I probably thought I would get myself in trouble. I was like, if the world lets me talk and the world hears me speak and the things that I'm always thinking about and the things that I'm actually reading into, like they don't know that I have a million, like you can't, bro, the hard drive I've got, the fucking cloud

Starting point is 02:31:53 that I'm on ain't like yours. I know. I just feel like I ran a marathon. I've been talking to you for three hours. I told you I'm I'm the one bro you asked me one question I'll talk for an hour and a half you've done it I've done it and boy yeah all right and so dude this was this was a blast fucking done here fucking done here let's go fuck go see let's go see OG bros get a fucking slice all right everybody you know what it is give it a thought get back to me peace thank you guys

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