Julian Dorey Podcast - #332 - Big Pharma WORST Coverups, Joe Rogan Beef, Fertility Crisis & Consciousness | Dave Asprey

Episode Date: September 2, 2025

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There's a lot of things that go wrong in the world. If you were to design a system to reduce human flourishing, these are the kind of people who really hate humans. What happened, though, in all of Europe, in North America, and in China, actually, is the birth rate. It's far below replacement rate. Fertility rate is plummeting in an unprecedented way. So Elon is 100% right.

We will have empty cities 20 years from now, which is why millions of people are now biohackers because of what I do. I can live at least 180. We've already extended human life. Our current best is 120. She was born right around World War I. We had no antibiotics. We couldn't spell DNA.

Someone born today with all of the technology available. If we can't do 50% better, it's either because we're not trying, or it's deliberate. And look at the rate of change already. I literally work out 20 minutes a week using AI. There's a camera watching me. I'm standing on force plates and fighting as a computer that's just in real time, changing the amount of resistance so I can blow my muscles faster. It's called the AI cheat machine.

You know, I used to really try to convince people who call it bullshit. I just want you to know it's real. Prove it to know. Hey, guys. If you're not following me on Spotify, please hit that follow. button and leave a five-star review. They're both a huge huge help. Thank you. And it takes 52 minutes to listen to the audio book. And it'll refresh your faith in humanity.

Why? Well, there's a lot of things that go wrong in the world. And we know there's evil people, right? And you think, are there that many evil people? Not really. There's a lot of stupid people. And the basic laws, and this is worked out with math, and this is a real science, definition of stupid. This is someone who will do something that provides negative benefits.

benefit and no benefit to someone else and to them okay there's no reason to do it but they'll do it anyway right so people are not stupid we cannot see stupid people because we can't imagine that they exist and we always underestimate how many there are right so we're looking around going that must be evil like no it was just dumb but this guy proves in every which way that this is what's wrong with the world so even like is he talking about sometimes like authoritarian figures then they're just dumb No. No. So someone who's authoritarian or someone who's just, you know, a robber, right? Yeah. They got the benefit, okay? It was not a good thing to do, but at least they got your wallet, right? The authoritarian got the control and the power and the ego gratification that's behind that. But a stupid person, they'd be the one who, like, took your wallet and just threw it in the river.

Why did you do that? And it's like idiocracy, the movie, but it's real. and if you read that book like oh my god this explains everything and it's not based on economics it's not based on race anything it's just evenly distributed across all humans so there's this category of stupid and i think the apple engineers like let's just assume everyone's that and then if you're smart and you try and use it like i will choke somebody but that's just because we won't get off it we're hooked on the drug they'll give us that iOS update fuck up our whole flow and be like you know you know know what you're gonna buy the next one exactly well the smart people can't do anything and the dumb people complain less i think that's the engineering status right now what did you initially

want to do with your life before we're gonna get to your whole thing that you fell into in your 20s but what what was your dream at first you know i had this weird obsession when i was 12 with opening junk mail junk mail you know just all the letters they send you and all that and i'm like why do they send all this crap like nobody wants it so i would open it and i would try to figure out what they wanted me to do like how are they manipulating me right so then i thought you know i think i want to be an entrepreneur and i read this article about vc's this is like in the 80s or something and like that sounds like a lot of fun and it turns out i grew up and was a successful tech entrepreneur and i worked for a vc and i'm like this is largely an evil profession um but uh there are good ones

but they're just rare what made you think it was evil well it raised 90 million dollars from vCs and uh got removed from my board and then they sold the company for way less than it was worth when i worked for it and i've talked to so many entrepreneurs who i coach for the same thing happen is that evil or stupid though let's go back well if the vc's are kicking the founder out and selling the company successfully that's just evil okay took advantage of you took your money put in their pocket if they do with some of the vc's that i've worked closely closely with who i shall not name my company was worth five to eight hundred million when i stopped being there and it just remove a zero from that for the x actually less than that so they actually shot themselves in the foot by doing it so

i would put that kind of behavior in dumb right but you know who knows maybe they thought something else would happen so sometimes people just make mistakes like if i did this i thought i would benefit and i didn't that's not dumb either that's just bad judgment right but like so when you were getting into that though that was after you kind of had like your life awakening right when you were when you were like i think you said you were like 300 pounds or something like that's in your 20s yeah people are there when i started this whole thing like you were never 300 pounds i'm like right let me show you this photo it's from entrepreneur magazine can you pull up dave's instagram because we yeah it's on there we can show you that photo that my fat photo there is from entrepreneur when i'm 23 i'm the first

guy to sell anything over the internet before eaccommerce had a name it was on my college dorm room I'm just trying to pay rent. I sold a T-shirt that said caffeine, my drug of choice, it had that caffeine molecule on it. When you were 300. Yeah. Wow. And that's why.

That's you. Yeah, I'm like, that's literally the picture from Entrepreneur Magazine. Can you even believe that? Yeah, you look a lot better now. I'm a little different. Yeah. Yeah. For sure.

So what I wanted to do is I wanted to be an entrepreneur. And then, you know, I became really successful in Silicon Valley. The company, I co-founded a part of it. that held Google's first servers and it was two guys and two computers. And it said before all the weight loss and everything. No, I'd lost probably half the weight. So I was chubby, but I wasn't

this obese. Yeah, like losing 50 pounds over the 100, I did that in three months, it's easy. The other 50 pounds took 10 years. And it was this, I did everything you're supposed to do. I went to the gym 90 minutes a day, six days a week without fail. I just skipped Sundays.

I did that for 18 months straight. I went in with a 46-inch waste. I went out with a 46-inch waste. low fat, low calories, starving all the time. Like, overtraining is not good for you. Yeah, what do you say outside of the overtraining? Why do you think that was that you couldn't take off anything? Well, there's a couple things.

When your thyroid is broken, exercise won't work. Can you explain that to people who don't understand that process? Your thyroid is the energy thermostat for your body. And if it works, you'll make body heat and you'll burn fat and you'll have energy. if it's not working it's like someone has a thermostat kind of turned down and you wanted your body to warm up and get energy you just won't do it so my thyroid was broken it just wouldn't work there's a nutritional and a toxin and autoimmune thing there this is incredibly common anyone who's listening has brain fog you should get a thyroid test second thing my testosterone was lower than my mom then your mom and i say that 20s yeah i sent my mom and my dad to the first longevity doctor in the bay area because i started working with a non with a longevity nonprofit back then because these old guys were teaching me how to fix myself so i meant you guys to go so i paid for my parents to go and then i said maybe i'd go because no one can figure out what's going on a lot like you like i've seen everybody and nothing works right i end up spending about a half

million dollars figuring out what to do for myself and another two million on reversing my age so i'm like it sucked anyway along the way this guy calls me his name's dr miller and it's like dave you're a testosterone and your mom i'm like well it explains my man boobs like what was it like 200 what what is it deciliters per whatever i forget the measurement spends what country you're in and if with american standards you really want you to be around a thousand if you're going to be really healthy and motivated um if you're a young man and i don't remember my exact marker but it was probably 100 and something i might have an old spreadsheet it was really low yeah you know my mom was menopausal so so like that was part of it but why was it low environmental talk

from toxic mold whoa yep now how'd you fake did you just look up at the ceiling and see some mold or how'd you figure that out nobody understood toxic mold the way we do now in fact I did a big document around it it's free online it's moldy movie dot com because yeah everybody thought I was not so I like flew around the country interview the top experts this is a real thing and there's a mold toxin called xeralinone and it's 10,000 times more estrogenic than human estrogen and it's 10,000 times more estrogen than human estrogen and it it grows in your walls and it rubs in through your skin estrogenics it literally whoa yeah and here's how powerful it is they concentrate this into a little waxy pellet and they put it in the ear of cows the ones that we eat if they're not organic and it goes into the cows system through the blood vessels in the air and they get fat on 30% less calories so it's just another money grab well i mean everything in the world like if i can feed them less grain and corn and soy which cows shouldn't eat anyway but if you feed them that you're gonna make a lot more money if you have to feed them less and they get fat but so they stick a mold in their ear it's an extract of the mold like penicillin

is an extractive mold too it's a drug for mold but here's the thing if you're getting that and there's a hundred million structures in the u.s right now that have toxic mold growing in different flavors about 200 different toxins that come in so I'm getting marinated in this stuff I don't know anything about it right and it's no wonder that no matter what I eat matter what i do i cannot lose the weight because i'm floating in basically super estrogen not even counting those pine tree air freshener things and all this stuff we got going on today they kill you yeah and then my thyroid's like you press the accelerator there's nothing behind and nothing will happen so those are two of the major reasons and some other nuances in there but i had

to go through and understand this whole new paradigm that created the biohacking movement and it's that your body is constantly listening to everything around you long before you get a chance to be aware of it or think about it right and based on that my latest book this blows me away because it's not where i started it became the number one best-selling philosophy book and meditation book in the country even though i'm the guy famous for putting butter and coffee and helping people lose millions of pounds and being a biohacker and putting computers on my head and all that stuff yeah meditation and philosophy and it's all based on this idea that everything that you and i see is heavily heavily filtered and redacted by our operating system in our body and that runs on

mitochondria all right let's start at the base level of that so the mitochondria let's explain that to people and then explain how you get to the top of that pyramid all right in seventh grade biology you probably remember the mitochondria is the powerhouse of the cell yes and you see a lot of health stuff people talk about them now and a lot of that came from the the biohacking world because well if you think about it if you don't have enough energy maybe you should look at the part of your body that makes energy and start there like it doesn't take a big computer hacker to do that right or maybe it does so it turns out that's a total lie this whole story that oh two billion years ago the cells that are us were floating around in the ocean and then

there were these little bacteria and then we met and then the cells harness the bacteria to be mobile power plants that's what they say the real story is that there was a cell floating around mitochondria moved in like oh look a mobile petri dish let's take over and they're still in charge of almost everything you do right now and there's an there's an reason for the things you do that you wish you didn't do so there's like habits and things that we build into ourselves all kinds of things negative emotions habits almost every effect not almost to do with the mighty conjure everything you've ever done that you regret comes from those and I could prove it to prove it to me all right all right so as you all know i have basically pubes on my face so

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That link is in the description below. Just head over to harrys.com slash Julian to receive our exclusive discount. After you purchase, they're going to ask you where you heard about them. So please support our show and tell them Julian sent you. So I'm going to clap my hands. And because you're smart, you know, it took some small amount of time for the sound to get to your body. And then you heard it. Well, if we put electrodes from my neuroscience company on the auditory processing part of your brain,

your body held onto that signal for a third of a second. before your brain was allowed to know there was a sound. A full third of a second? Full third of a second. It's actually 350 milliseconds. It's slightly more than a third. That's called P300D, or revoked potential. It's one of the measures of the response time

of your auditory and visual processing. This is a real thing, standard neuroscience measure. Okay. So, something's happening in that third of a second, and it took the rest of the second for the prefrontal cortex to think about it and know what it was. and here's the first interesting piece of evidence you ever lean on a hot stove accidentally and then you pull your hand away oh yeah and you go good thing i pulled my hand

away right you didn't put your hand away something other than you pulled your hand away because you don't the nervous system reaction well how do you know what's your nervous system i don't that's what i've been trained to know i took biology yeah so is that bio that's not biology probably not whatever just go with it it's one of the ologies yeah so what is it so So, well, it starts, if you want to get really nerdy about it, there's something called Substance P, which is, stands for pain. It is the primordial pain sensing molecule that single-celled organisms have. And from there, it rolled up in your nervous system, but it didn't start in a nervous system. It started with the lowest level environmental sensors.

So your body has, it's got, in some of the cells, 15,000 mitochondria in one cell. In fact, in women, there's up to 600,000 mitochondria in their ovarian tissue. you saying women are more powerful than us i'm saying they're more intuitive than us for that yeah yeah so that's the mitochondria coming for you that was my mitochondria alert yeah i don't what to do about this it sounds like you're you might be uh called to the er i've got a continuous glucose monitor on of course you do because i'm a nerd but it lost connection with my phone and my phone is set to do not disturb me but it's like you could die your blood sugar's like It's not low. I don't have a signal.

Right. Well, we don't want you dying. Well, here, I have a solution. I'll just take it out. There we go. All right. Let's hope you don't die for the next two hours. I'm going to die. It's just irritating. At my biohacking conference, I'm like, if anyone has their phone go off, you're going to have to sing, I'm a little teacup, and then this happens. And I just saying, I'm a little teacup in front of 200 people.

Oh, there you go. You don't have the same. I think that's. We'll be fine. All right. I killed the app. Cool. The downside of all this.

biohacking yeah you were talking about the primordial system yeah okay so so what's happening is there's a network of many billions of these ancient environmental sensors so bacteria do they sense the environment like is it hot is it cold is there light is there not light is there vibration all these things and then they decide what to do so bacteria can make toxins they can move away some of them well your cells are running the same thing so they vote they use actually the same algorithm some of our crypto uses to vote with each other. It's called quorum sensing. It's the same thing as crypto? Some of the crypto, yeah. Is that where we got it from? No, we just noticed after we... No, no, I mean the crypto creators. Is that where they got it from? Did they...

I interviewed Lehman Baird from Carnegie Mellon about this. It's just math shows that there's certain ways of establishing trust in a system where you don't know if you can trust everyone. Right. Turns out our mitochondria uses the same algorithm that the most effective crypto networks do. So they rediscovered something our body already does got it and all this is invisible by design so in that third of a second this ancient sensor network goes what's going on in the world and based on that I'm going to hand some of that of up to the nervous system and it's going to filter it out and some is going to go into your brain and even less of it goes into your consciousness okay separate the brain and the consciousness for me how you see it well you have things in your brain stem like if you had to think about

like the sphincters in your upper digestive tract yeah I'd be a problem yeah I don't know how to control those either probably could learn it if I wanted to but why right you can control over here like you can control almost anything in your body if you want to you just need feedback on it

that wouldn't be worth it but you can like control the temperature of a fingertip by 10 degrees just by learning how to do it it's a real simple biofeedback technique if I keep stopping on these we're never going to get anywhere so keep going like it's yeah so i don't know any of this was possible when i started this i was actually like a super like skeptical atheist guy but what's happening with the mitochondria is there's an order of operations for all life on earth and the mitochondria are processing reality

this way and handing you the result of it and they're just beautifully allocating your energy every day based on this and here's the order everything that you experience has already gone through this number one is these are off words it's easy fear if something is scary run away from kill or hide from it yeah so if your body thinks i know dust or maybe golden retriever hair is scary that triggered the first f word and then all the energy goes there and it hands the body like a stress signal right yeah so that's fear and if it's not scary it goes to the next f word food dude dude you nailed it is that because you read my book or you just figured it out i definitely saw that on one of your videos nice okay yeah fear food right and this is just eat everything because famines have killed everything

and bacteria aren't smart enough to know there's a refrigerator like these are stupid they're just very fast and we're very intelligent but we're very slow compared to them third f word fertility oh man all right it's fucking yeah get get out yeah i i say fertility and polite company but really the mitochondria they're more worried about you know let's reproduce like it's evolution baby yeah they should be here's what this means though when i walked in the room before you had a chance to do or think or do anything your body assessed whether i was a threat whether it could eat me and whether you could help my leg i'm i'm feeling i'm feeling triggered right now yeah i don't think i assessed that on you you didn't you didn't see that's the thing you're not your body your body did that

and after that my body assessed if i wanted to fuck you it doesn't your body's assessing whether you should fuck that board right now I'm unaware of this assessment. I don't know what you're into, but... This must be like the stomach gut. I don't know that's happening. Exactly. You're not supposed to happen.

I've never fucked this board. I swear to God. I'm not saying anything. I've had a long time. Bro, I think... You need to go to the hospital. I think I'm going to die. I never say anything like this.

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They don't care. Yeah. Can we find the CEO? Let's call them out. That'd be hilarious. Yeah. I'm actually an investor in a company that does that. They just use the sensor called Levels. And it doesn't like interrupt you. Levels actually uses a different sensor usually. They just sent me that one. I don't know. Okay. But now I have

like a cool circle on my arm. So your mighty conchre are deciding whether or not I want to fuck you when you walk into the room? Everything, all the time. Right? And the good news is I didn't meet that pattern for you i hope so you didn't have yeah good so you didn't uh this would be a very weird interview if it did so the good thing is i didn't trigger you like this guy wants to kill me i didn't look like a ham sandwich and i didn't look attractive to you so after all of those things comes the next f word which is friend all life on earth i'm talking a zebra a slime mold like a new

city mayor candidate anyone no relation to the slime mold that was good well thank you that was good anyway uh all those things they're always processing reality in this way but all life will support its own species and the ecosystem around it without any thought required so fear of food fucking friend and the final f word for humans is my last book is forgiveness and forgiveness is what humans do to reallocate energy away from fear, away from hunger, away from lust, and into the beneficial parts of all those things, and to put more energy into your community and the world around you. So forgiveness goes into friends? Forgiveness goes back into fear and turns off fear. Turns off fear, but in the process helps develop friendships and relationship and bonding.

Yeah, think about it like this. We got like, you know, we've got this magic mind little bottle, they go on so I only have this much energy and if I don't have enough testosterone and thyroid this glass is already half empty and I pour it into fear and whatever's left after I have my fear response goes into food I'm not wasting all my energy thinking about tacos because I know how to eat so then I went to the next one which was all right you know what's am I getting some or not right how much energy I put into that and what's left goes into your community and your family and your closest friends and your tribe so if you're low energy you're gonna be more reactive to fear

and you've got nothing left. You just have cravings for food because you're so hungry, so low energy. And you're not going to really think much about sex. Yeah. If you look at the numbers, the number of people under 25 who are having sex or having babies is shockingly low because their testosterone, men and women, is in the toilet. Do you think that's the only cause? I agree.

It's one of the cause. I was going to say there's some other causes too, right? The behavior of our government around COVID would be a major contributor to. Absolutely. Yeah. I've talked with so many people about this from all different backgrounds. We've had this conversation on the podcast. But what was strange about COVID, on the one hand, you look at all the kids from kindergarten all the way through senior year of college, something about their normal trajectory was completely changed. And you're like, well, that's obvious to you. But then you look at adults, too, where people went inside. You know, for me, it was very strange because I launched this podcast the first day of quarantine, right? Like I went full, exactly. I went full bore into this and what was a big part of my job to bring people over to my house and talk to them like this for hours at a time, which just continued my social life in that way, even if I was really focused on one thing.

So in a weird way, living in my parents' house, I was like on an island. And I had all that social interaction. So when I, especially when I moved up here and I would go outside on the street. Now, this is three and a half years later, you walk by people. of all ages they look down they'll take two steps to the right you know when you say hello to them they look at you like you have 10 fucking heads and then look down see it's different because the new york that i know if you said hi someone they tell you to fuck off right that's exactly what i mean i'm like now they just look down and it kind of meander away so are they

like feeling like this they they programmed everyone for fear and then something else happened now how'd you get out of that how do you repro it like For people out there who are suffering from brain fog right now, which you're right. There's a lot of people. I talk to people all the time who are. How do you reprogram that? I'm going to, I'll just give you the short answer. And this is a New York Times best selling science book called Headstrong, which is everything

there is about fixing brain fog. I'm not trying to get you guys, it doesn't change my life. I don't make a dollar if you buy my book. I don't even know. Don't buy the book. There you go. Yeah, exactly. So I'm not, there's no self-interest in me telling you to read the book other than I.

Link in description. Yeah. I spent 10,000 hours writing the damn thing. And I can't really go. through all that here but it comes down to two things to fix your brain one fix your mitochondria and two increase something called bdnf bdnf yeah are you into bdnf is that a trick question i tell me i mean i'm not judging some sort of bdsm off take i don't know i hadn't thought god man just go right there it's brain derived neutropic factor brain derived

neutropic factor yeah i've heard of a lot of supplements called neutropics there you go in fact That was where I started my journey. When I was really heavy, I tried all that exercise, didn't work. I'm working at this big tech company, and my brain turns off. Turns off. Like, I couldn't remember anything. I was like CTO level, senior exec, and all of a sudden, I can't remember the meeting. I don't know what's going on.

I didn't know how I drove home. And I went to the doctor, and I'm like, hey, man, I feel like I've been poisoned. Nothing works. I'm so exhausted all the time. And he goes, maybe you should try to lose weight. he's ripping a bogue and I look at this guy as a Palo Alto Medical Foundation

I guess dude maybe you should try this way because you're fat right he goes yeah well I don't follow my own advice right don't you love that do as I say not as I do oh yeah and their advice is impossible to follow it doesn't work even if you do yeah so that was actually when I fired

the doctor I never paid that bill it was on my credit report for like seven years wow and I'm like I'm not paying you you didn't do your job and And I just went off for four years and I became an expert in mitochondrial biology so I could fix myself. And what did you do to do that? You go to like, you know, University of Phoenix online? Like, what was the deal?

No, man, I read all the papers on PubMed. I really am a computer hacker. That was, you know, my whole training. I taught engineers how to build Web 1 at the University of California. So I got into this complex system thing. I'm like, how hard is it to hack the human body? It turns out it's easier than medicine thinks it is. But it's harder than anyone would think it is.

So the way a hacker approaches something, you got this thing. You can press that if you want it. Nice. So let's say I don't know what's in here. This is a black box. I'm a computer hacker. I don't have to know everything that's in there. And I don't have to be an expert in switching mechanisms or batteries,

which is what a different type of medical specialty would be. My job is to control this as much as I want to control it. So I'm going to switch on the bottom. Let me turn that off. Oh, look. Let me turn it back on. Now it works. Okay.

I hacked it. I got the results I wanted. I made it do something. Next, let's hack something else. Okay. Someone else can go through and disassemble the damn thing and make theories about circuit boards and, you know, all the other crap. But what hackers do is we want results and we only do what works. So if this was really complex, I'd be like, well, I'm going to press the edge here.

I'm going to press the edge here. I'm going to press the edge here. How hard did I press? Right. Was there a statistical signal? coming out of this, and I'm going to change the behavior of the system, even if I don't understand all the components of the system. That's life. That's biology. And a lot of doctors, well, we know how it works. Dude, no, you don't. We really don't understand it. And my proof of that is

no one knows how to make life, except the old-fashioned way, the third F word. What do you mean knows how to make life? Well, if we really understood life, we could take a bunch of amino acids and proteins, and we could put them in a little bubble of lipids, and we could say, let there be light and something would grow that we do not know how to do that we always have to take an egg from something i have to take a cell that's already alive from something so you're telling me we understand life no life is a quantum process when you strip away all this stuff in fact all reality is a quantum process so there's many things we have great models for understanding but they're not actually real meaning if i'm understanding you correctly there's things that we know when we have one piece based

to work with but we don't know necessarily what that base truly comes from because we can't create it that's one of the arguments the other one is just everything's a story right i can take this coaster and i can drop it and i can say i know that accelerated at 9.8 meters per second squared because i know gravity works right gravity is bullshit going to quantum physics i did have a gravitational physicist sitting here a few months ago who said they've missed a few things on gravity oh yeah she's very smart. The model for gravity works really well, but it's not perfect. Meaning it's not exactly

9.8 you're saying? You're saying it could be 9.799875. It's that there's weird effects at the speed of light, and there's all sorts of things. And all of those Newtonian physics things don't match when we get into the quantum physics, which underlies all that. So we can live our lives

believing in Newtonian physics and hanging our hat on it and, you know, burning at the stake, anyone who disagrees with us. But the quantum PhD physicists out there can prove that all of reality, including this table, it's pretty much made up by our mind because the table is a useful interface for the quantum field that's in front of us. So everything that we see is a story about what it is. It's like you don't really see email on your phone. You see some electrons coming from your screen and email's not even on your

phone. It's somewhere else. You create an image. Yeah. So what I'm seeing in front of me right now is a user interface on reality, just like my computer screen. Do you think we're both really alive, or do you think we're a part of a simulation that's in a computer, you know? We're both alive. I don't think we're part of a simulation in a computer. I think reality is a simulation that we created. All right, let's unpack that one, Dave.

And now we're getting really down the philosophy side of my latest book. I love podcasts like this. This is like feeding my ADHD like crazy. ADHD is fun. All good entrepreneurs have it. So what I'm talking about is called biocentrism. I had a couple of guests on my show. Robert Lanza is a good one, and I'm going to kick myself because first name's Joe.

I don't know Robert. Robert Lanzza. He's probably the most famous author in the space. I've definitely seen his stuff. Yeah, and this is this weird thing that happens when you get PhD physicists, the quantum physicists who are understanding the subatomic particle behaviors, and you put him together with philosophers. And you go through every argument about consciousness and about life and death and reality. And you realize, well, the math shows that we're making it all up.

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Consciousness is not a phenomenon of reality. All of reality is a phenomenon of consciousness. Consciousness, consciousness is not a phenomenon of reality. So we have to figure out what consciousness is first to understand why we're even here. That would follow. All right, let me ask you a higher level question just to get a little basis here. Like, what are your thoughts on what happens after we die? All right.

So I grew up thinking death is the end, total atheist. I am absolutely convinced that reincarnation is real. Reincarnation. Yeah. and here's the thing even if you're not convinced that reincarnation is real it's the only rational thing to believe the only rational only rational that's a bold statement did i'm just rational okay i guess i'm irrational let's go all right here's why if you're wrong you won't know because you're dead okay if you assume that it's real you will be less fearful in all your decisions

because you know you have another shot at it if you live your life afraid of death all your energy goes into fear and then it doesn't go into all the good stuff that you can do this stuff so you want to be a courageous fearless person who goes and changes the world don't worry about death so choose to believe in reincarnation because it makes you less afraid every day and that's the only reason you need to i believe in it because i've seen my past lives i've had dozens of things happen that could not be explained any other way and i've studied with Buddhists and remote temples in Nepal and Tibet and Chinese grandmasters and shamans and I've done all the stuff and I've seen it plenty of times without any drugs involved so I don't have any concern about it so my closest friends I've known them before they're the ones

you've known them before oh yeah they'll call me when something's going on in my life I'm talking in three months they pick up the phone hey what's up and you think that's that's evidence for reincarnation no that's not evidence for that I'm not going to go into some of the details but I've had like because that could be other things that could be plenty of other things like that are related to what you're talking about no there's ESP and there's all kinds like the yogic city powers and stuff like that that are well documented in

history why you nodding over here like you know all this you know yeah because he knows what's up don't make me control your mind right now these are not the droids you're looking for so yeah the things I've seen one example I'm not going to name names

just out of respect for people but someone pretty close to me was asleep and another friend who's skilled in this kind of stuff was like was like hey why don't you why do some energy work I'm like

all right okay there's no drugs involved here so lay there and she does her witchy stuff and she goes oh that's weird you got a a contract from seven lives ago you want to get rid of it and I'm like okay a contract from seven lives

yeah I'm like I dude i don't see anything i'm just laying there right so the way reincarnation people will tell you this and you learn this if you study hinduism we study buddhism or the bone faith or any of the reincarnation traditions they'll talk about this even some of the old ancient chinese stuff so you can make an agreement in another life and if death is kind of a bit of a fantasy as a change of state but it's still you floating around somewhere well then the contract is still valid it's an agreement you made but if your current brain doesn't remember or know anything about it still operates in your unconscious so one of the techniques of spiritual growth is you got to let go of that stuff because you know like a long time ago you made some dumb decision and it's still sticking with you right like being born and thinking that you consented to pay 43% your income to taxes for nothing that you get but I don't try I didn't really consent to that but you know anyway you inherit that stuff right yeah so you think it's it's required but but so anyway there's some very specific things in that life that involves me with a lover who i'd left

and whatever so the other friend who's asleep at the time not even in the same building wakes up full memory of that thing enraged at me like full on like f you like wanting to get in a fight with me and i'm like what is this and she's like you left me like what are you talking about when this woman was doing that energy work on me the other one just came to awareness of that and like literally like almost got in a in a fire it took like several friends to calm things down so how does that happen to do with the unconscious from previous lives well in that case i was had someone specifically working on that aspect of me and a person had no idea was even doing energy work happens to recall exactly what this person saw with no way of knowing about it and remembers a bunch of details and is that viscerally angry at me without anyone telling her anything like she literally woke up wanting to kill me i wonder sometimes a little sidebar with this but i think about time a lot and how it's this thing that always moves forward and it's one of like the set in stone quote unquote things and that well that's what i'm saying

it's like is there a way that the mind the consciousness traverses time sometimes and it doesn't mean you're standing there physically but like you feel things That's where things like deja vu can come from, which I swear to God, that happens to me like once a week. It's real. Yeah. DejaVu is a real thing and you should pay attention to it. And there's so many people who have dreams that come true. Like they actually are dreaming the future.

Why is that such a hard thing to notice? In fact, if you want to deny that, you have to ignore huge amounts of evidence in the world. So I actually rely on science and data. All the things I'm saying, you can look at Joe Dispenza, is a friend. the road a book, becoming supernatural. Has he been on your show? He is not. I'd love to have Joe on, though.

Maybe I'll put a bug in his ear. He's spoken at my biocan conference twice. Nice, yeah. It's a government bug. Yeah, I don't listen. Estrogen Joe will come in here. Oh, man. That would be mean.

So, I mean, he'd probably come in with man boobs like, I used to have. So, let's talk about time. And by the way, all the things I'm talking about, I have seen just from breathwork or just from neurofeedback with no psychedelics. involved um so you don't have to you don't have to you don't have to go to the jungle and do the stuff right i did that once yeah i did i did too i went in 1999 though 99 that's a throwback i went down there and i was somewhere in 27 or something i could do math yeah about 27 and uh i asked around and they're like you're white it's for locals i go yeah i know i'm white but you wouldn't you won't like it

you'll throw up and i said no no so this was not a no tourists ever did it and so i so i went down and so i want to and i found the right guy and i i found the guy i think i is pretty pretty risky especially done in the u.s you need to have a very well-qualified shaman or it's it's spiritually dangerous that's the problem most people most shamans have no clue what they're doing and even i was told when i went down there i went down to the amazon with my buddy paul rosalie who lives in literally the middle of the amazon and we had one of the oldest longest shamans like that exists in the Amazon who did ayahuasca with us and like it was such a it was like a guided meditation basically it wasn't you weren't seeing dancing elves or anything like that it wasn't this crazy

trip you didn't do a if you didn't we did a but it wasn't like that it was like a baby dose or something no no we did we did seven rounds of it they were all pretty hero doses i would describe but like it was done correctly like the full the full experience was done correctly the ambiance was done correctly the guided part of it was done correctly the timing of it was done correctly and it was you it was almost like that you had a bit of the third eye experience that's why i would describe you didn't like go out and blast off into other places and all that so i would see i would be sitting here right and i was in this i was in a in a cabin on the bank of of the amazon row right and behind we're in a dark room with one candle occasionally burning and behind where the shaman was was an

open window that had no window. It's just there. And there were, you're looking up the canopy. And so there's trees and you see stars coming through them a little bit. It's absolutely beautiful. And you're, you're a lot of the time, not the entire time, you're lying back like this and you're kind of looking right at that spot. So I would be present looking directly at where all that stuff was and taking in those trees and stars. And at the same time, see beautiful golden imagery coming into my head at the same like exact moment it wasn't like i'd come in and out of that so what i mean is when people have described some psilocybin trips and it's not the same stuff i've never done obviously it's not the same but they go to a different place that's not really what it was it was a

very present uh meditative feeling and and that's what like it was to me it was very i think they gave you the tourist experience i don't think so i i'm not at all denigrating what they did but I mean, this is your first time, right? Yeah, it was. Yeah. So, like, I will bring people to Ecuador for medicine ceremonies with some, some of the right kinds of people on occasion. And when you get deeper in the shamanic practice, there are dosing regimens that will take you to where you are just about leaving your body. And, like, you are not, your eyes are not open.

And, you know, I've, geez, I think I've done yoga poses that don't exist. Oh, I would shut my, to be clear. I'm clear. I would shut my eyes, too. It wasn't, they were open the whole time. It was a light dose. It wasn't, it wasn't that I'm saying when I would, when I would visibly open my eyes, I'd be seeing both at once. But then when I close my eyes, I'm just in my head. And the imagery that pops into my head is just like if I, like to me, it's not nearly as powerful, but just like if I, I'm just trying to explain my experience, you see, I understand. Just like if I close my eyes right now, and let's say I just get rid of the fact that I just saw you and I know where we're sitting. And I'm just relaxing and I start thinking about images in my life. I start to go to those places.

In this case, I was sent there. I didn't send myself to places. I was sent to where I'd see this imagery of like mountains flowing down into the valleys and the rivers. You were going somewhere. Yeah. Okay. I understand. Yeah.

But it wasn't like, it wasn't like, uh, there was no, my point was there was no ridiculousness to it. There was no like, you know, you're living in some weird fucking, you know, you know, yeah that's not not what a shamanic journey usually looks like um probably the the most times i've gone to places where i'm like what is like why am i speaking that language what like this isn't my body those are usually past life experiences but i don't i've never seen those from medicine work maybe a little bit a couple times it's always from breathwork or from neurofeedback and that's why up in seattle for 10 years i've run like a neuroscience mystery school people come and spend five days and they do that for the process from heavily meditated people spend 20 grand and we go really really really

deep but all i'm doing is showing your brain what it's doing so you can control how do you show them i get the electrical signal off the brain and the electrical signal off the brain put into a computer running through our software and play it back to you and i'm guiding your brain in a certain state and once you're there then i teach a meditation process with eight steps that's why i wrote the latest book because i'm giving away the process right it's called called the reset process but when people do that they routinely report the most mystical experiences like what like past lives like seeing dead people like communing with whatever angels things like that and you can say none of that's real it's meaningful and people come out permanently improved and

changed in fact one person said this is like the best medicine ceremony ever did but there's no medicine right just from what's going on with your own hardware and software no chemicals required you know what makes sense about that though yeah we live in a society and we've lived in this for a while as you well know you've done a lot of work around big pharma oh yeah we're like yeah there's there's drugs that really help people and that's great yeah but they want to make money on everything so it's a subscription service and so you stick a pill on absolutely everything it's down to fucking losing weight or something like that stick a little low zempick on it yeah and you're you're are cutting the line of a process that your body doesn't naturally respond to such that it

becomes in most cases addicted to whatever that thing is and it ruins your system as opposed to the fact that we've been around on this earth for a long time and they used to have to figure out certain things just to like be able to get through the day that are natural and your body responds to they did and we also just accepted what we saw without using consciousness or cognition to just like shut it down so there's a a strong ability in humans to be intuitive and to intentionally be intuitive so you can train intuition it's one of things that we do okay and you've heard of smoke signals right yeah just so like what you're referring to the original um indians who lived in the u.s uh and by the way i grew up in new mexico with lots now was i have

no idea if i'm supposed to say indigenous american indian american indian so many indians I don't know No shit You don't look Indian No no I'm not one I just grew up My neighbors were You know like I grew up

In a place with So you were fucking mess Well say breaking bad Might have been kind of real I love that show It's like reminds you I tell you because I know all the places Anyway

Anyway I'm just saying I don't know what the heck It's the politically correct thing to say But For respect to your tribe dude Well no I just I do for Because I grew up around A lot of Native Americans

Whatever like Dude I want to be respectful But if you get triggered you should get a therapist so there you go okay so indians would we do smoke signals okay and to communicate and i'm a network engineer like there is no ability to send data through four puffs of smoke like it's stupid you can send yes or no a couple times right yeah you can send something yeah but not enough to matter right if i send up us i'm gonna straw in this a little bit yeah that's the right time if i send up a smoke signal that can be seen 15 miles away when some people are traveling by horse to come

kill me and I know when that smoke signal goes up and it's black that means get the fuck out of this place I'd say that's pretty valuable oh I didn't say it wasn't valuable but you sent one bit of information yes or no you see change the color of the smoke and you can maybe have two puffs versus three but it's very limited yeah so what they were really doing the smoke signals all it said was pay attention and so then oh look they want to send me something sit down go into the state got it and move on it was just a signal to go into the pay attention to the subtle energies of the world. And when you ask the elders,

they'll tell you that, but no one believed them. So I got fine. So we could communicate. And if you look at the writings of many, many different indigenous people from all over the world, of course I know what's going on the valley over there.

I know, of course my brother's coming. I'm like, how do you know? If you haven't talked to him in a week, I just know. And then the brother shows up. That's part of the human experience. We all have that. We just turn it off.

so you so you believe through all these different things you've seen there across all different types of experience anecdotal and then putting them all together you think that the best possible scenario or the the most logical scenario is that we do come back now you did say also i wanted to ask about this but you've done the travel into china sitting with buddhist monks and stuff like that can you explain some of these trips and what what you found there specifically yeah so i went to to a monastery in Nepal, a Buddhist monastery. I spent 10 days in silent meditation

and learned their philosophy on it. How long ago was this? 2004. Okay. Then I went on a bus from Lhasa to or from Kathmandu to Lhasa, which is eastern Tibet, and then five days in a four-wheel drive to go back to Western Tibet to Mount Kailash,

the holiest mountain in the world, and walk around that 26 miles of high altitude. the idea for putting butter and coffee came to me on the side of the mountain because I was drinking yak butter tea and like why did my brain start working I haven't felt as good in years what just happened so that I came back to Silicon Valley and started putting butter in different things to try and figure out why it worked what's it I'm not familiar with yak butter though what's the difference between that and the difference between that and yes it's just twice as big as cows they're freaking huge and in Tibet they're the only thing that lives at that high altitude and there's very little to eat there's like lichen on rocks it's just incredibly baron it's like you're on mars and so these Tibetan families have one or two of these giant yaks and they eat the butter from the yak which is very similar to grass-fed butter but even more rich in nutrients this dark yellow color and every morning they burn yak dung to heat up the water and instead of just drinking some tea and eating some yak butter they put the yak butter in the tea and the butter churn they go to like manually churn it for 10 minutes and then they drink the tea

And I'm like, these people are so dumb. I could just drink the tea, the butter. But I'm like, why do I feel so good? And they were much smarter than me. The reason that she was blending it up, years later, I funded research at the University of Washington. Small droplets of butter, fat, and water change the structure of the water to the same structure that's inside your cells. You can make ATP or make energy. What?

Yeah. That's why when I tell people, if you put butter in your coffee and blend it, you're going to get an experience. And if you put, if you eat a stick of butter, I've done it on, you know, on YouTube. Well, you just eat a stick of butter. Yeah. Yeah, that's not good for it. Well, you just don't feel good. It doesn't work.

No. I could have told you that before you did it, save the time. But why does it work if I combine them if I don't? That's just how it works. Because you probably do, I'm getting, I don't know any of the science behind this, so I'm flying blind, but like you're doing it in moderation in a small. Same amount. Wait, so you put a whole stick of butter. You can if you really want to.

I usually do. And you're saying that that works. I misunderstood that. So as long as you blend it into the water. Is there butter in this? No. Okay. Danger coffee has a therapeutic dose of traced minerals that raise electrical activity in your cells in studies.

And it's got electrolytes and stuff. Yep. So when you drink it, it smells great, by the way. It's super premium coffee. And it's lab tested for mold because most coffee has mold in. It wouldn't even talk about that. Yeah. But I learned, I did learn that a couple years ago.

So Danger's My New Brand Post Bulletproof. And you can put butter in it or not and blend it up. It works better with butter. Everything does. so you take even like the worst Starbucks on the planet add butter and shake it up for a long time or blend it and you'll feel different when you drink it and I mean it really pissed me off to not know why but we know why now so regular you're referring to regular butter there meaning like grass fed butter works better than regular better but do your best yeah what is the you know what that's actually some I've been reading a lot more recently with what they what they feed the cows and you referred to it earlier there's grass fed and there's grain fed can you explain the difference there if you feed a cow like grain, corn, soy, they're not meant to eat that.

In fact, it kills a cow. If you give them grain, they'll bloat and it'll die if it's a cow that they eat grass normally. So they have to slowly introduce grain to change the bacteria in their gut. And they can make these cows that are a different species of cow and they can survive on corn and soy and grain

and make stupid amounts of milk. But the milk has the wrong fat in it because it's basically corn oil. And it has the wrong kind of protein called A1 casing or A1 milk protein. And that causes inflammation, ADHD, it's linked to autism, causes problems for a lot of people, especially if you pasteurize it. Is this why the Got Milk campaign was like a sci-out? It was a sci-up for a lot of reasons. Okay.

Yeah, there's some economic reasons in it too. Yeah. Yeah, we had like a national milk reserve to prop up the dairy industry. Like all of corn and soy and dairy is, it survives the way it does because of the, of government subsidies it's kind of gross but we had like 500 million pounds actually i think it was around here in madison or somewhere um of cheese and powdered milk and dairy in a warehouse is our strategic milk reserve strategic milk reserve and it caught on fire you can look this up online it's hilarious like there's these firefighters waiting through four feet of melted cheese to try and find

the fire like it's some funny shit person what was this it's like in the 90s or something it's really funny he's like everything burning shit was hilarious yeah they melted all the cheese and butter there's like literally a flood of butter like coming down the street so how how many decades have we been doing this um like how far started post-world war too holy shit so this is like eight decades or something like that yeah and it's all a money saver obviously they're like if we no it's darker you want to go conspiracy you know what you go wherever you want all right i don't shut things down here i am first and foremost I believe in emergent behaviors.

And when you study complex systems, if you take a simple rule and you repeat it an endless number of times, you get things that look complex and look planned, but they're not. So that beautiful flower, there's like three small equations. You just repeat those over and over, and it'll look like a flower or a piece of broccoli. So a lot of the natural structures that are beautiful are just basic math. And a guy named Stephen Wolfram proved that. Oh, yeah, I'm familiar with him. okay yeah yeah it's like i think his book is called a new kind of math or something yeah we're

trying to get him in here that's interesting he's hard to get he's just a very odd and you know very smart human it's a nocturnal guy i heard oh yeah like he locked himself in a closet for two years to write the book oh i had to i thought you're talking about another closet oh no no that that's just the guy invented computers right um he was cool but he's long gone so uh all right where we were talking about all this cool stuff all the stuff milk yeah so part of this is when profit is the motive there will be billions of micro decisions made by generally good people some of them are those dumb people some of them are smart people some of them are evil people but they align over time kind of like which fish in the school of fish made it go there none of them

just group think yeah right so this does happen and it's real and it can make really dark things happen I don't want to discount that. But when milk pasteurization was invented, something gnarly and nasty happened. They did the first study on rats. And the rats who got pasteurized milk had like half as many rat pups and they weren't as healthy.

So, do you know who Lord Rothschild is? I'm aware. Heard he's not the greatest guy. Yeah. he's only done two edicts publicly in his life edicts like we're getting real britain instructions like like sending orders out to people right one was around the creation of israel so that was an important thing for him you're talking about the balfour declaration or i don't know if that was the name of it i'd have to look it up okay

because that was addressed to him um now this is one that came from him so the other one was to say milk pasteurization will be the standard and since then have you seen this fucking crazy war on raw milk no no i'm not that okay with that there are literally jackbooted fda thugs going out and like busting up bottles of raw milk at farms for our own safety insane things what's their logic besides for your safety what what are they claiming is bad about it there's just only for our safety but they got to give they got to make up a reason well there could there could be listeria a what it's a you it's a you It could be spoiled milk, right?

There could be bad bacteria on it. Yeah, if I leave the milk in the fucking fridge for a week, it's spoiled. What does that have to do with anything? That's a really good question. You can't have other kinds of bacteria in raw milk. But bottom line is, raw milk has been something that we've consumed for a very long period of time. And if you compare the risk of raw milk to the risk of the pharmaceutical industry, which provably kills about half a million or more people every year with basically drug side effects,

there is no reason to spend any money and put a sticker on there says the government doesn't like raw milk just like on cigarettes the government says these are bad for you okay thanks for letting me know but the amount of effort that goes to just crushing raw milk that is not something that i can figure out a reason for like there is something behind that and i look at this guy who has an enormous amount of economic power behind the scenes and he's only said oh look if you feed pastor milk to people they're less fertile these are the kind of people who really hate humans oh that's what it does that's a major side effect of it less fertile yep and and i'm not even saying this to be funny okay i'm just saying this like as a yeah as something as something that's been noticed but like they've described how women's breasts have gotten bigger because they're drinking pasteurized milk and so just looking at it evolutionarily you would think oh that makes it more fertile or whatever, but you're saying it makes less. The large boobs isn't from the pasteurization.

It's from the bovine growth hormone that they use to increase the production of milk and cows. The what hormone? Bovine growth hormone. Is it, they inject that in them? I don't know if it's in their food or injected, but it's a hormone they give milk cows to cause their udders to get really big. So they'll just produce massive amounts of lower-watering. So then they pass it on to our women, which I'm not arguing with that one. Yeah, but when the women are four years old and getting boobs, we've got a problem.

All right. Yeah. Let's not go there. but i was saying the older legal i i understand yeah i mean nothing wrong with uh with breasts it's just there's um there's a there's a long list of things mostly from the government and sometimes in big companies that if you were to design a system to reduce human flourishing to reduce fertility they're all lined up in that way You know, you don't sound crazy saying that.

My first book was actually called The Better Baby Book, and it's about fertility. Do you write that with your wife? You what? Did you write that with your wife at the time? I wrote maybe more than she did, but certainly she was a major part of it because she was infertile. Yeah. Right? I couldn't have kids, and she's a medical doctor.

And so we wouldn't have kids. So I said, we can hack this. And we did. And it took five years to write that book. And I read so many papers. I went so deep on fertility. And- What'd you do to hack?

we changed everything we got every food that had estrogen out of her diet i did all the shopping all the cooking um lots and lots of saturated fat only grass fed protein clean air clean water clean food lots of sunshine a lot of stuff that became biohacking stuff that makes people men and women fertile makes them powerful and stuff that makes old people young makes young people powerful that's why biohacking is a thing it's just as popular 25 year olds like we're all in this for the same the same reasons like we want to thrive that makes sense and fertility is a major sign their health is working and what I saw when I wrote this book is that our fertility rate is plummeting in an unprecedented way when I wrote it one in eight people was having a hard time having kids and it's much worse now it's probably one in four can we pull that data up Joe you're 100% right it's it's especially when you look at the average output too like Dave if we just solve for okay I'm making up numbers before we have it they were having eight kids in 1930s versus you know if it were four kids now that would make sense because economically

back then they're working on farms you know they're putting them to work but when it goes from like eight to one which that don't make sense well going from eight to one has a lot to do with economics i made up those numbers by the way but we're going to pull them up yeah it's it's something like that so as this happens around the world as soon as you have enough food enough money and enough education you don't need eight kids because whenever everything is shitty you know two of the eight are going to die of childhood diseases and we've conquered those right and then the rest of them are your insurance policy because you're what your insurance policy they're going to work the farm when you're too old like this is how it's always

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call me 1130 at night all excited about stuff his wife passed a few years later he starts dating a 36 year old tantra teacher not because it was some weird sick money thing they just legit fell in love because he he was a young man and a body that had some miles on it but it was a different thing and sure it was totally legit well they both said it was and i knew him pretty well so i'm not not saying that both didn't benefit but all right point made i do not i don't judge on that stuff and i've also seen like weird economic things it wasn't one of those but regardless if you're 88 and you can bring it okay there's something going on there right and we can reverse aging already today we've already extended human life by

six and a half years and we can measure whether what we're doing works we couldn't do that 10 years ago. So it's entirely possible to take people in their 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s, and give them another 50, 60, 70 years. My number, I can live to at least 180. And I've been super public about that. Yeah, I've been on all nightline, all the national news talking about that. What made you pick that number? I would have said more than that, but no one would have believed it. Because getting the world to think about longevity has been something's been happening for about 25 years. Yeah. I'm the third generation of longevity. people working on that problem in modern history you go way back to like

ancient Ayurvedic practice and all they had longevity stuff back then all the tantra stuff was about longevity all of yoga but let's consider that old so all the new stuff and if I'd have said 250 no one would even believed it so here's why 180 is real and achievable our current best is 120 right there's someone alive who's 120 years old she was born see Yeah, right out, I guess. Yeah, she was born right around World War I. You know, we fought.

A little before, but yeah. We fought most of World War I with horses. We just had biplanes. We had no antibiotics. We couldn't spell DNA. Yeah. Digging trenches. Yeah.

And, oh, she made it 120 with that. So someone born today with AI, PubMed, with electron microscopes, with all of the technology. available if we can't do 50% better than our current best it's either because we're not trying or it's deliberate or it's deliberate or maybe a comet hits the planet doesn't the only thing so 180 it's not even a big goal it's just 50% better and I have 130 years to do it and look at the rate of change already Joe can you pull up a chart of the average US light let's do US centric

US life expectancy over the past 50 years that's a good one do over the last 100 it'll be much less hundred okay cool that's like a perplexity search using Google just like my grandpa so yeah because the reason I'm bringing this up is because I know when I was a kid there you yep this is great so and by the way if you do that over the last three or four years it went the wrong way that's exactly so weird I wonder what that could be right it's probably because it's probably because of carbon and because we're eating tim and tread meat you know it could be those two things Dave you never know that's what it is

you can't rule anything out but what I'm saying is when I was when I was like in middle school they would use I remember the number was like 77 and when I hear the number a lot now it's right in that neighborhood and this is now fast forward another decade yeah and it's like it's 87 now yeah why is it not changed

why is it not at a hundred or 95 well it is moving so in the early 1990 90s, if you were over 55, you were considered elderly. Right, AARP. And people would get pissed. And the number one marker of age that's most predictive is not what most people think it's like, oh, you can do that weird Peter Atia thing. It's a VATU max and over-exercising.

No. It's grip strength. Grip strength is the age. Yeah. Let me see your hands. Let me see your knock. The underside. what's you're soft as fuck what's going on here

there's no caluses on them yeah that's because I know how to work out oh shit okay enlighten me I worked out 20 minutes a week are you one of those guys that like wears like four glasses or no I literally work out 20 minutes a week using AI you work out 20 minutes a week 20 minutes a week I have a whole company that does that and I'm like no you're you're jack that's what I'm saying you're looking good and I'm 52 that's yeah leave the calendar

Yeah, well, you're 52 in human years and probably 41 and a half in actually biological years. Depending on what measure that's about. Right. So, look at me. So here's the thing. You can lift every single day, and I used to do that. Like, I'm willing to do that. I love doing that.

See, if you love it, that's different. But I have a lot of nine companies. I had two teenagers and, like, a lot of stuff going on, you know, podcasts, everything. So I'm just hyper-efficient. So I started 10 years ago, something called Upgrade Labs. under Arnold Schwarzenger's office in Santa Monica. It's the first biohiking center. We use all this tech with AI

to put a signal into your body to change. And then when it changes, we put the body in a state so it can rapidly adapt. And it takes most people about 40 minutes a week. What does this look like? Can you walk me to do this?

So we've got nine locations open. It's a franchise. You can go to own and upgradelabs.com and you can partner with me on it. So you come in? Yeah, the system, though. We take two minutes. We gather 4,000 data points from a $30,000 medical device to figure out, how's your body doing today?

Bone density, where's the fat, are your cells hydrated, is there inflammation, all that kind of stuff. Right. We do that. And then we say, all right, when you're here, here's what to do for your goal. Now, your goal is probably muscle mass, or maybe it's longevity, or it's cognitive function, or it's managing stress. Some different goals, different states, different paths through the tech. for cardio this is my favorite one okay i used to do 45 minutes of 15 degree treadmill every single day every day it's a lot of it's brutal yeah well if you do an hour spend class five days a week

that's a lot of time right yeah so you'd think you'd improve after two months what percentage improvement in b02 max would you expect i'll bet it's not great 2% yeah well if you do the AI thing that I'm talking about for five minutes, three times a week. So 15 minutes a week, same amount of time is brushing your teeth, 12% improvement. Six times better results. So it's customized, though. Yeah, we've got a heart rate on you and an AI algorithm tracking the amount of resistance, but you don't sweat. You need to change clothes to do it. And you're telling people based on what the system is reading, what exercises they should be doing. This one actually, for cardio specifically, you're just on a bike. We're just manipulating what the bike does and

there's headphones telling you what to do. And measurably six times better results, okay, I'm not going to do an hour a day of cardio. It's dumb. But I will do five minutes, three times a week. Yeah, no, that's hyper-efficient for sure. And the same thing. So if you're going to be lifting, there's tons of ways to put on muscle and strength that don't require lots of repetition.

So all of what I'm doing right now is called the AI cheat machine. It's one of our pieces of tech made by a company called Oxford. it. There's a camera watching me. I'm standing on force plates. I'm fighting as a computer that's just in real time changing the amount of resistance against me so I can blow my muscles out faster. Oh, shit. So you don't need as many reps when you know you're fully loaded. And if my form is off, I've got a camera. And if my left foot doesn't have no pressure on it, I'm sitting on a force plate. It's some boozy shit. It's all digital, right? Yeah, that's amazing. So I'm just doing it more effectively. That's why I don't have calisuses. I don't need them. I've had calicis

half my life. I only have a cowlts for my aura ring. Yeah, but it would make you more manly to have it, you know what I mean? I don't think I have a problem in that. We haven't talked about my wasabi method company. Your wasabi method company. I'm only fucking with you, Dave. What's your wasabi method company? You're a good sport about it. I've been

fucking with you all day. It does not bother me. Good. I think it's hilarious. So, wasabi method is a shockwave, a sonic shockwave company. Makes these tiny microscopic air bubbles in your tissue. It looks like a little jackhammer. And those cause 19 different longevity factors to improve, including growing new blood vessels and new nerves.

New nerves? New nerves. That's a new one. So can you imagine if you were to find a part of your body that would benefit most from more nerves and more blood vessels? Yeah, I can imagine a lot of places. What are you thinking about? Everywhere.

If you said, like, just thinking of math, if you could give me more nerves and more blood vessels everywhere, I feel like that would be a win. yeah you put him somewhere first uh no yeah no so you got it long ago yeah yeah i love how you like play innocent here but i saw what you're guys did you're like and then you kind of had this little frowny face what was about so i don't think i looked down like that but it did take a minute for the elevator to get upstairs i'll tell you that i know i mess with you i'll tell you that yeah we put a few veins on there that'd be nice so there you go it um pause this is something that people use

to treat ed because it actually really does do that but also if you don't have ed you can use it to just increase size penile enlargement yeah it's that simple uh yeah it takes three to five treatments about 15 minutes all right so how how much have you increased yours let's let's get graphic here two inches erect it's actually strangely in both so i used to just be a shower now Now I'm a grower and a shower. No, I used to be a grower. What was it? I wasn't a sh- fuck, which one means what? Like, I'm not thought of this. There's like one, anyway, let's put it this way. When you get out of the shower, you recognize yourself in the mirror. I didn't recognize itself in the mirror. I didn't. I would like do a double take, but who's, is that? Oh, wait, that's fine. So basically, yeah, two inches. It was only a 10% change, but it was. How long did this take? That just went right past you, didn't that? No, no. How long did this take? I just said it was a 10% change. 10% change, but how long? Yeah, two inches, 10%.

That means they have a 20-year cock. I wasn't doing that, Dave. I'm just thinking about how long it's your feet to grow two inches. Jesus Christ. And I don't want to see a before and after picture, but I want to make sure it exists. So it will find a woman who wants to look at it and can prove it and give the thumbs up. There is some positions I had to stop doing because it became painful for my brain. partner i'm not kidding this is real this tech exists how long ago did you do this i did my first

shockwave treatment eight nine years ago and what does that consist of um you basically put lytocaine on it by the way it works for one and two but you put lytocin on it uh you wait 15 minutes still things are kind of numb and then it looks like a little little like handheld jackhammer thing and it makes like a a clicking sound but it's making a shaped sonic pressure wave that goes into tissues that signals to mitochondria. Is it electrocuting your balls? It's not electricity. It's just, it's like a

it's like an acoustic with like hitting a drum. Micro-impacts. So. Who invented this? It was invented. The same guy did by Agra? No. Although they stack. It uh, they used it to fix Achilles tendons originally. It was a medical tech.

And they went, wait a minute. Yep, wait a minute But like I have It's like Ozympic They did diabetes and they're like Wait a minute You can rewire and change almost any part of your body Like I've completely changed my brain

And now it functions with with computers So what do you say to the people who hear this I'm not even talking about people in the medical community Eliminate them for a second Regular people who are just listening to this And going I call bullshit Like you know because here's the thing Dave That you've definitely figured some stuff out

whether all of it is what it is or not i don't know i'm not the guy to judge that but like you make it sound so simple you're like yeah yeah i just increase my crease my penis too inches yeah i didn't recognize and people out there are like what you know there's some people working with the chode right now like pulling and trying to find something and they're like this guy's got the secret you know i used to really try to convince people who call bullshit and now i just like to play with them i'm like well you know don't tell your wife don't tell your wife yeah like like you know she might not want you to have a big one I like I I don't care you call bullshit I truly don't care but bottom line is there's a bunch of people like many many

many millions of people who are now biohackers because of what I do and they're the ones I'm talking for and for all the people like Dave's a jerk okay I'm a jerk it's like I don't care right so you can call BS in which case don't benefit from this stuff I just want you to know it's real I also talk about more things than probably any person is ever going to do yeah yeah right and i i do almost everything you can do because i write books about it and because like it's what i just what i do for fun so i've had you know focused ultrasound opened up my blood brain barrier so stem cells can get into my hippocampus i've had every joint in my body injected with my own stem cells twice with your own stem yeah like full-on unconscious

needles in every joint i've injected you know my brain my dick everyone my body's had stem cells multiple times and i take all the smart drugs i do all the stuff right no one's going to do that unless they're crazy um but i'm going to talk about three things and whoever's listening they're going you know what i didn't want to talk about it but i actually do have some ed going on i'm going to look up that wasabi method thing great maybe it's bs maybe it's not i'll tell you it's not yes and we're talking about butter and coffee right what the hell was there any research last 10 years and it works but if you don't believe me it doesn't hurt me it's just then don't do it that's all i ever say and you know where we started these million tangents around 65 or 70 minutes ago

with mold we did now you're bringing it back to that also because there's a lot of mold and coffee yeah and there's mold effectiveness all around that lowers our testosterone basically as you say creates estrogen in our bodies which is working against our thyroid our ability to lose weight our ability to put on money and our ability to have the energy to be able to invest it back in friendships and forgiveness and stuff like that it it all comes down to if your body works better your cells work better your mitochondria are the antennas for reality so a better functioning body makes for more conscious people and people who have better functioning bodies and are more conscious always want to live longer because life is actually really good yeah right so you'll join the biohacking movement because

you wanted it to get something you want to more muscles or you wanted your brain fog to go away whatever you're going to join me in the longevity thing and you're going to join me in the wanting to be more conscious thing because there's nothing else more fun or more worthy to do in the world right you just have to feel good enough to want to do it and i did not have that in my 20s i was in constant pain i had cravings all the time brain fog all the time doctors didn't know what was wrong i bought disability insurance i was 26 i still have it disability insurance yeah i was worried that i could not continue working and that i wasn't able to take care of myself i was that sick right you also like 300 oh right that was And then I made $6 million and I was 26. And I lost it when I was 28. I kind of sucked. How'd you lose it? Man.com crash. So I had a lot of shares in this company that had gone up to $80 a share.

But because my career took off, I had inside information. I wasn't allowed to trade my shares. So I watched the company go bankrupt. Was it Pets.com? Thank God, no. They were one of our customers. Oh. That's not good either.

No. It's a company called Exodus Community. So we're the first data center business in the world. I guess that data went Exodus, huh? It's nice. But right now, some of our conversations being transmitted to people over buildings I helped to create. They're still operating. What do you mean?

Like what we're saying when this runs through YouTube? Like the fiber optic? Fiber optics. There's all sorts of computers all over the place that are called caching. They're called caching servers. Akamai is the biggest player. I've heard of them. Yep.

And those caching servers are in data centers all over the place. And the data centers that we built are still part of the infrastructure of the world. Yeah, it's kind of cool. But you had to reinvent yourself because you lost your money in the locked up stock, essentially. It wasn't just that. I mean, I worked in computer security. I was a VP of Cloud Security at Trend Micro, one of the big computer security companies. So I worked in that for another, actually, other 10 years in tech after that experience.

after that experience, I just got burned out. So when we're building Web 1, that was world changing. It was so important. And when it came down to, I want more social media, I just, I couldn't make myself give a shit anymore. It just, it wasn't important. AI is important now. And part of me is like, man, I should go do that. But the idea that I can leave tech, and I'm just going to start hacking the human body, right? I'm going to do longevity. I'm going to start this biohacking movement. And the idea for that on the side of Mount Kailash, the Holyos amount in the world walking around Asia for three months and it was just like what do I call this thing like yeah we're gonna hack ourselves and that's been so much more rewarding just for quality

of life and having meaning that I wouldn't go back to tech you couldn't pay me enough but I use AI I use tech and what you do everything in upgrade labs is like AI is guiding it and you know it's it's now a tool I don't make the tools in where I just use them because I think I could do more good that way. Well, we have this society, especially now. It's been like this for a while, but especially over the last five, six years, for understandable reasons, there's two polar groups, right? Anything that is the accepted quote-unquote establishment is in one category. And then anything that's like, wait, those people lied to us is in another category. And I'm constantly straddling these lines because a lot of the criticism, especially from the pandemic, that

we the people are giving is not just fair it's accurate i mean anyone with two eyes at this point and in a couple years can see that and we've seen that for a long time but i always try to focus in a world where we don't throw the baby out with the bathwater as an example maybe we throw out the fact that we're giving out all these fucking SSRIs to people like it's jelly beans i'm just using one example and that's clearly wrong and clearly where big farmer's gone bad but we don't throw out you know a life-saving drug that saves someone from having an epilepsy attack or something like you know what i mean absolutely and i feel like we have this world now where people either have to be like they broke and they're like fuck you and fuck all of it or they're like no we will listen to every single

thing you say and i'm just trying to figure out where we get that nuance to where we're having the conversations on what things have validity and what things you know we should really question so how how do you think is the best way for us to go about that would be well it's important to think about something when you're stuck in fear so you've got to do that F word forgiveness if you're stuck in fear it's just old programming it's just old trauma came from society from coaches from parents from whatever the heck a lot of it's really early childhood stuff and you go through and you just religiously and rigorously run that recent process anytime anything triggers you and if you're

like no fuck them then you need to get rid of that grudge it's do you do this for yourself too if you can find something that triggers me yeah i've spent six months on my life with electrodes on my head going through this stuff in order to be able to do what i do in the world because i was kind of an asshole when i was younger didn't i didn't recognize i was pretty much always in a state of sympathetic activation so i was before you started the biohack yourself oh yeah even after uh oh before probably the first five years um i had some i had some work to do but i went through some heavy-duty stuff at this started bulletproof um i i write above a lot of this and heavily meditated One of the things that was the hardest for me was like, yeah, there's like, there's two things that most people choke on.

So we have all this, everyone has childhood stuff, but it's injustice and betrayal. And entrepreneurs get just caught, it ruins people. And injustice is when you did the right thing and got punished for it. Like it just leaves you empty to do that. And then betrayal is when you trust someone close to you and then they intentionally harm you. they're slightly different but they leave they leave a mark like a spiritual injury that you got to heal if you can so one of the things that got me was injustice i had no idea what was going on with this but i'll walk you through it because it's i think useful for people listening so back in 2014 so by the way i have

a really big show you know want a webby and all that stuff um and uh i don't listen to podcasts like i don't have time like i i hear you i listen to like three of my girlfriend's podcast because she told me to and i listen to some web clips for years but like i really i'm not into podcasts yeah um you're a creator yeah so anyway this guy named uh jo rogan reaches out and says yeah 2014 yeah says i want to do like like episode 400 to 600 or something so i'm on okay i'll come on the show and you know i had a show back then as well so i went on and it caused a bump in sales but not like a life changing bump in sales but it was super cool but I was like this is awesome and I actually did a lot of stuff to help Joe and then I came back on and his buddy who is kind of a part of all that

we'll say had had this idea that he was going to take the name bulletproof and create his own company with it and this is all documents in the book and at the same time Joe's investing in a company that's copying my roadmap so the day that company launches their MCT oil he goes on his show and says Dave Asprey is a liar and a con artist And I've done nothing but speak the truth And be helpful to Joe in his audience Now The person I am today would be like

That sucks Who cares, right? He's like, I'm going to keep doing what I do At the time, it like rocked my world And one of the guys on my team Who was a convoy commander in Iraq These are the guys who drive generals past bombs So kind of a cool, cool dude

Same Zach And he's like, Dave, I don't know why you're actually like this you gotta go see a therapist or something i actually plugged myself in did the 40 years of zen thing the what 40 years of zen this is my neuroscience company the reset process and i'm sitting there and when you start letting go of a trauma what you think it is is never what it is so i'm sitting there going yeah like why am i so pissed off about you know the fact that this guy's making money by saying i'm a jerk it's not like people trolls come after me all the time but like this bothered me way more because i had helped him first right and i'm like why am i getting punished for something i

even do right well when you start this process magically you go what's the first time i ever felt that way and then you'll have a memory that you forgot like some old dumb thing so for me first grade i tattled on some kid for something he did and he said i did it and i got punished for it some stupid childhood thing i had completely eliminated it just pops in my head and i've trained i've gone a thousand entrepreneurs go through my program i know oh if my brain's given me that i'm just going to play with that and you know what apparently in first grade i was really really really fucking pissed off that i got punished for something i didn't do and that anger that's what led show get under my skin by saying how this is a con artist and once i once i did that reality became clear and it's very fast

the reality is every time joe rogan says dave asprey is a bad man i just sell more coffee that's all it was he figured out after about a year or two and stopped saying anything and then he deleted the episodes when he went to spotify and i don't care right i'm talking about it because this idea that i spent like nine months and really suffering like like what's going what do i do hire a crisis PR and all this that was all just me in my own head and we're all operating on that stuff all the time and it's invisible i didn't know what that was going on and i've done a lot of work Yeah, and it feels like a slight too and that affects the human spirit a lot. I understand that completely. A slight doesn't have to affect the human spirit. It doesn't have to, but you understand it's the human reaction that it does. Until you've done your work. Because what you learn and one is to know it, the other is to internalize it. Everything other people do, quote, to you, they're just doing it. They're not doing it to you. They're running their own programming. Right? The basic human nature is to be kind to others. It's a lot. that fourth F word we're wired in our bones to be kind to each other but not if we're afraid

not if we're malnourished whether it's from junk food or just not enough food it doesn't matter and not if there's no love in our life right so like your job if you want to have a meaningful life whether it's a successful entrepreneur or whatever else you turn fear into peace so you have inner peace it doesn't matter if someone says something good or bad about you it just doesn't matter you turn hunger into nourishment so you don't think about food all the time the average person one third of their thoughts every day or about tacos or at least what what's going to be my next meal you don't have to waste that much thinking and then you learn how to turn sex and intimacy into a form of nourishment as well you can

reach altered states as deep as psychedelics just from knowing how to have good sex I think even before that like go a layer and I want to talk about that but even a layer above that when you are when you're having sex it's not just casual sex and you're having it with someone that you have feelings for there's there's also an enormous exchange of trust that's happened there before you even get into the bedroom oh yeah and i don't know that there's anything more powerful is not the word but like uh self-fulfilling that i've experienced as a human being and having the firm trust of you know shirt off your back kind of trust with another person it's one of the most meaningful things that we can do and it's even

Even the old Christian faiths, like the Gnostic Christianity, orgasm is how you meet God. Mm-hmm, right? I heard that. And I would say sex is how adults play. Right? It's not just for procreation. It's not just for pleasure. It's meant to be playful, and it can be exceptionally deep if you learn a tantric practice or in heavily meditated, I write about something called conscious kink.

Like, oh, my partner's going to trust me enough that they're going to ask for whatever thing they're into. and you're gonna do that for them like as an act of service and you'll see people enter the most profound spiritual states from that and they're actually states of cathartic healing and so if we ignore all that so how are you gonna you know serve your community if you're like i'm so profoundly lonely i'm not getting what i need right and i'm hungry all the time and i'm scared all the time and i'm anxious you got nothing left you're not going to go out and help your friends i think i think in this era too and this affects people of all ages but especially our younger people I'm sure you've done a lot of work on this the anxiety is a major yeah major drag and I'll admit in in my life that has been a silent struggle in a lot of ways and then I think about these kids like I know the world that existed before we had this and worrying about every little fucking thing people posted and stuff and think about those kids and then I try to translate how I feel when they grew up with it in their hands right now you know that scares not for society yeah people worry so much about you know what other people

think of them and whatever you see online isn't even what people think of you that's what four percent of angry bullies who are very loud right everyone else is just sitting there being quiet yeah so it's less than four percent by the way yeah um sociopaths and psychopaths or what what's the four no i'm saying like literally we you know you'll look at a video i could go on youtube right now and find some video that has a million point one views and it's got 2,000 comments and you know 1500 of the comments are like each shit go die you know it's still you go I tell people who are on the show all the time like here's your like ratio on the video and they're getting it when they read the comments like your like ratio is 97.1 oh yeah okay most people don't comment

relax it's gonna be okay it's completely true yes I you know I was still kind of processing that because the day that Rogan said you know Dave's a jerk my social media until that point had just been constant day of you you save my life you changed my life like thank you you know like really good stuff and it went to straight up you know con artist charlatan just a lot of hate and there's like an organized mob called the death squad the death squad that's what they call there's like 10 000 people i don't know if they still do that but they're like you know at the core and so they'll decide someone's a bad person they'll all go en masse and just like shit all over their social media and so it taught me so much and what i do now and it was that in a conversation with tim ferr

um who's also dealt with his share of trolls yeah so i was i had one of my podcasts before he started his show and oh yeah and andrew huberman and peter t like all the like i was an old show like my show's been you know one of the in fact it was the first health podcast that i'm aware of so you know i got to talk to all these people and um i think it was it was tim ferris who was telling me um look at ratatouille there's a scene in Ratatouille about critics and that was really good and where I got to is all of the people who are criticizing were bullied in seventh grade and they're still playing that the vast majority of adults are still stuck in 12 year old consciousness hurt people hurt people yeah so okay now we're playing seventh grade games I'm I love seventh grade humor that's where I am so people they'll say all this meanest stuff I just respond that's not what your mom said and it's so funny Because the real followers, they're just laughing, right? And I just call the other person out, you are acting like you're in seventh grade, so let's do it.

And my favors to go, that wasn't very nice. And I go, hey, hold on, I thought we were playing. Like, it's your turn. Like, I'll do it again. I'm rubber and you're glue because, like, we're doing the childish thing because you didn't ask me anything about my content. You said, I was an asshole. So you could just play with them. Like, these are literally seventh graders acting out of bullying.

There's nothing else in there. And you know what? try to think about this a lot too because the industry i'm in let's just call it what it is all right like i'm able to do what i do because of joe rogan i mean the guy the guy created the space he's on episode like 2000 or something 2000 whatever it is now he's he's a total hero during the during the pandemic yeah and uh yeah he was you know i've been to his actually one of his comedy shows in uh in austin i might have worn a bulletproof t-shirt just for shits and giggles he's funny and like I have genuine respect yeah for the way he just called bullshit on things that needed it so I don't have any negative energy there at all that's good what I'm saying is I'm very as careful as I can be with thrown stones from glass houses it's

especially of people that have done more in one day of their life than I've done in my entire life and I would put him in that category you're you're right what I will say about this job that I have already seen in episode 300 and something when this comes out, you know, that is years and years behind where he was with this and his whole career before that, is that you get in these weird positions sometimes, especially when you're talking for three hours with a bunch of different people, multiple times a week, across all different topics, and, you know, then you unexpectedly run into one person who's got an entirely different opinion and turns out publicly with another person that you didn't even know about. and whatever, and you can get real caught in getting in the middle of that stuff. And that's something I think Rogan's actually amazing at now at not getting caught in the middle of it. You were earlier on in his podcast where he's the trailblazer inventing this whole space and also not even, like he didn't even realize this and it's really cool if this happened. Like how big it was getting.

He talks about that all the time. And I think it's really hard sometimes when, you know, you're sitting with the latest person you're sitting with and you like them so much and then they have an opinion and they make some really good evidence that you hear right there on someone else that you know and you're like oh shit maybe i was taken for a ride oh yeah and to not make commentary there is a difficult thing it's something that i've learned from him over the years to be like best to kind of relax with this and think about it and react later but i think that even for a guy like him who was doing it before everyone else i think that took time and if you got caught up in the middle of that in the early days i'm i'm sorry to

hear that and there were other people I'm sure as well but it is a very tough spot to be in sometimes in this seat what Joe does that that's really cool is he has the ability to be like I'm just a dumb fucking comedian and I'm not saying he's a dumb like this is like him saying that and like and I I don't believe in like the takedown game I've some people like Dave I want you to go debate this person I'm not interested in that agreed I like that you don't like that I'll share my information I'll tell you why I believe it and I'll tell you can test it on yourself and see if it's true or not right and i i can only tell you what i think and you can decide on you know your own intelligence your own merits whether you want to do it where a lot of people

make mistakes is it actually has to do with brain energetics it comes back to mitochondria so if you wanted to make a really good decision you would say all right i'm going to gather all the evidence um today you maybe go to you know gpt three pro or something and do like a 20 minute analysis and you do all this work and end of the day maybe ask a few experts like I got a really good perspective on this those a lot of work right okay so your brand can choose 20 or so different truth seeking algorithms some are better than others right so the simplest one is if something is good more is better okay we just generally believe that to be true it's a really good way to make a decision without thinking about it right at pace right the difficulty thing is that whether you

make a snap judgment or a thoughtful judgment it will feel equally true and this is you mean by that well your brain's going to convince you that whatever you think is is real right and it'll tell you use the lowest power decision-making algorithm that'll work right so whether you had time and energy to be mindful and really make a careful decision or you looked at the two options like that one looks better i'm going to choose this for that reason and then you just kind of all pile in and you just believe that's real so this is part of running in a body that is constantly trying to save energy and not wasted on thinking about stuff so it's kind of make you believe your own bullshit right and it's really easy to do that in a conversation because there's

about god there's 50 plus actually way more than that but 50 main things i can think of ways to convince someone to believe what you're saying even if tactics you're saying tactics yeah and the guy who taught me this i think i was pretty ignorant on all this stuff is um robert cheldini he wrote a book called influence many millions of coffee sold no i own that book yeah yeah you should get him on the show if you can he's from university of arizona um brilliant dude he was undercover with like used car salesmen insurance salesmen to figure out like how do they do that yep and you read the book the reason it's valuable it'll tell you how to know if someone's running an operation on you right an operation being they're manipulating your subconscious parts to get you to trust them so that

it feels true even though it's not actually true so that's a good book if you're in entrepreneurship or you're going to raise venture capital i have read i've definitely read some of that book before i own it i don't know if i finished it but i read some of that book and what what What I've found, and this is like a brief part of heavily meditated, is that there's four kinds of people. It's something I learned from Lao Tzu's oral lineage. This is... I said Loud Suits. Yeah, exactly.

My Chinese is not existent. Hey, listen, I ordered tuna rolls in a Chinese restaurant before, so you're at home right now. That's bad. It's like, where the fuck's a sushi? My ancient friends are like, we don't know him. I'm so sorry. Yeah, exactly. Like, don't give him chopsticks.

either don't do that i'll fuck them oh man so loud too he's basically the buddha of china like one of their their things so there's one monastery where the chow lin practice originated and there's nine living grandmasters of this tradition that's protected the embers of china for 5,000 years and one of them happens to be a good friend and so he taught me this the four types of people category one they're win-win-win if they do something to win you're gonna win too they might win more they might win less but they're not gonna screw you ever five percent of people maybe category two they're win-win but they screw up and when you tell them that they screwed up they apologize and they make it right it's like hey man you know you

didn't do that thing and you know cost me some money or whatever and like oh my god like how can I make it up to you like they're just good people on a path you know they're willing to make mistakes in a minute category three people their win-lose but they think they're win-win they believe their own story we call those narcissists yeah yep and in the worst cases you could have a video of them killing someone they're in a locked room holding a knife covered in blood with the body and you come in with the police and they're like i'm a good person it wasn't me have you ever seen that video it's from an old movie of the woman who walks in on her husband

been with another woman in the bed and she's like whatever's name is carl and he just looks at her and then he and the woman start getting up out of the bed and getting dressed and she's like carl do you have it and then and then in a minute like the woman walks out fully dressed he walks out starts reading the paper and she's like carl yeah and he's like nothing to see here and he just gaslight the fuck out yes that's like i mean it's an extreme i remember this video yes that is the the perfect example and these people you guys you guys you guys you guys you guys you guys you cannot spot them because when they look at you they're not lying they just believe their own truth and they fuck up companies they fuck up relationships they fuck up families you don't think you can

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or you have to have really intuitive friends or employees and then you just use them you know that thing we said earlier about female intuition it's a thing so check in with the most intuitive woman in your life if you want to just get a read on something i read a book a decade ago i think it was called the psychology of the female brain something like that I was like the title just stood out to me I'm like what the fuck and I read it was very interesting because I realized the way

you know we have men and women have equal mental capabilities but the way our roadmap works to get to the end I always knew it was different but it's like scientifically in every way different so there's strengths that women are going to have and there's strengths that we're going to have mentally and they I guess kind of

offset each other but the intuition is they do that shit's built in that's why they remember the name and every goddamn thing that happened on november 7th 2017 like i don't even know what year it is happened yeah it's crazy it's crazy it is and there's something to it so that was an area where i i oftentimes would ignore my gut because i tend to think the best of people and if you think about it like this person looks really good on paper but they're a chainsaw if you hire them a chain saw just cut your company part yeah yeah but it's also like when you're when especially when you're an entrepreneur like you and you're hiring a lot of people too you know in your head statistically you're gonna get some

wrong like you're gonna hire people like that we have a standing thing across all my companies if we hire a three or a category four those are they're win-lose and they know it those are sociopaths and psychopaths yeah did you say you we were at category three where you talked about narcissists did you officially define category four yeah i'm just defining it Now, it's, they're win-lose and they know it. They're sociopaths. Like, they're literally playing you because they get off on it. And you're not going to spot them either because they're the best in the world

at playing you. That's what they live for. Oh, yeah. So. The Joker complex kind of. Yeah, exactly. And what you do for those, at least in my company, is like, we have a 60-day rule. If we accidentally hire one, they're gone in 60 days.

Because you know. And you're right away. And then most people are like, well, I could fix it. Or there's an excuse. And it's like, no, we watch really carefully. And even worse, you can have people who are generally good and trustworthy, category two people. And then, like, something happens in their life, you know, a parent dies or they get a divorce or whatever. And some kind of trauma gets reactivated, and they drop in the category three.

So you've got to constantly watch. And then especially if you work with them for a while, you have the conversation, like the hard conversation. Like, you know, something's going on here. And some of them, oh, God, I didn't realize. And then they come back. Other ones, they just go dark. and it's like all right um those behaviors they just don't work here there took me a long time to get there you keep kind of hinting at this today but i think we should go all the way there where you're talking

about people's formation and how their environment shapes them oh yeah and they hold on to things right that's one of your themes you've gone through in a lot of different contexts today but like you've talked about some ways with some examples of how you were able to like forgive yourself or get rid of some burdens maybe that you were holding on to but many people out there myself included but many people who are listening right now you know whether they're consciously aware of it or they have to think about it now and then become aware of it you know there's things that have happened in their past bad to them whatever it could be it could be a relationship problem could be something personal when they were a kid a way they were spoken to where they grew up

whatever it was that is now affecting the way that all of you know like the butterfly effect of all their behaviors in the world everything that you see is shaped by that but you don't know which shaped by that because it's what you see so how do you unshape that is my question what what are at a base level at a base level anytime something triggers you write it down keep a list right you felt uncomfortable felt dang just write it down just write it down and then when you have a chance you can do this with a therapist or you can just do it with the steps in the book you're all right we'll take one specific trigger and just ask so what's the first time i felt that way and you go oh you know like i was talking with uh with one of my employees about this and he's saying oh yeah

the first time i felt like that was my first job i'm like uh-uh he goes actually i was the job before that and then five times asked the question he goes oh my god the first time i really had that feeling in my body there's like a felt somatic sense he goes it was sometime in third grade when the teacher made me read out loud and i had dyslexia and i was so ashamed because i knew i couldn't read well enough and like all of this corporate experience for 25 years feeling like an imposter and not wanting to just it was all because a teacher was mean to him and I mentioned the thing with with Joe Roga dude it was all because the teacher was mean to be in first grade and the teacher probably even know they're being made right but it just left to mark so once you go oh my god that's the first time I felt that way and then there's a set of steps that go through and the steps real basically do not try this without like reading it at least or hire a therapist who knows transpersonal psychology and maybe EMDR but what you do is you going all right you reactivate the feeling any feeling you've ever had

You can play it like a Spotify playlist. So if you felt like profound joy, you're like, what did the joy feel like in my body? And then like, was it in the back of my neck? Was it my stomach? Like the hairs on my arm. And all of a sudden, like, oh, wow, like you feel a physical change from that. But you do this for the negative feeling you felt. You have to be highly focused and in it to feel.

Yeah, you want to be in a quiet room and all that. And, you know, you turn it on maybe a little bit of breathwork before. And like, oh, man, oh, that really was shitty. All you're doing, hey, buddy, this is the. pattern and then you find one thing to be grateful for for that right there's always grateful for the pattern itself whatever happened or whatever happened in that situation right so i could say let me stay with your example kid in third grade was forced to read out loud adult dyslexia he could say i'm grateful for the fact that i had to do something i'm making

something up here i did do something when i was young that made me uncomfortable that kind of, you know, was a good failure to move me forward to be more comfortable with the next time. That would work. It can also be, it doesn't matter how big it is. The thing about your operating system in the body is really dumb. So you can be like, man, I'm really glad no one beat me up after that. I'm really glad I got a cupcake. It doesn't matter.

It's like gratitude is a key that opens a lock so you can do the work. But if you don't find one dumb thing to be grateful for, right? I've had people like, oh, my God, I was in a terrible car accident. and I was paraplegic and I'm grateful I still have my other leg it doesn't matter just gratitude is a as a switch so you find a dumb thing or a smart thing to be grateful for and then you go into this this process of of kind of seeing it from the other person's point of view and you realize that whatever the other person did it's because their parents did it to them and and you just was oh my god we're all flawed human beings like nothing that happened to me was intentional

this other person was just doing what they were programmed to do, right? This is the human condition, right? And there's a set of things you do like around the field around your heart. When you do this, and we have a computer tracking your brain, we can see exactly what the brainwaves do. Like you see it big shifts, right? And you just lean into that feeling more. And here's why it works.

The body knows you turned on the bad sensation. It goes, wait, you can't have gratitude in a bad sensation, and you can't have this deep, somatic forgiveness therefore this was a mistake and it cancels the signal up permanently if you think about this imagine you went to like the iPhone psychologist and you're like hey doc every time i tried to work on my phone i get these tic-tok alerts and messenger alerts and it just they keep popping up and it's really driving me nuts and your your psychologist goes well those are a fact of life just gently swipe

them to the left and continue working and you're like I guess I could do that but it kind of sucks yeah so the way biohackers do it and the way the reset method works let's teach you how to go in to system settings and just turn off those alerts so you don't waste energy managing them anymore and the probably the closest technique to the reset method would be EMDR which you do with a therapist and EMDR is a similar reset mode where a therapist moves your eyes back and forth at a certain rate, and if you do that in the right way, it kind of snaps into this weird state where you can kind of float outside your body and look down at your behavior patterns without being reactive to them. And that's another way of getting to resolve it.

But bottom line is, it feels like you're deciding these things. It feels like the feelings are you. The feelings are an ancient network of bacteria running a dumb operating system trying to keep you alive as if your brain wasn't in there. And they get to control how you feel about anything in the world around you based on stupid shit that happened in first grade what happened when you were programmed it that way i was born with the cord wrapped around my neck three times i didn't know that had any difference in anything but when you come into the world thinking something's trying to kill you without any context at all you will be in sympathetic activation right sympathetic activity and so i didn't have any idea i was doing this but i was

anxious all the time because i was always looking for something that was going to try to kill me because i literally was born being choked to death right and And I did a lot of work on that. So birth trauma is a major, major factor that can shape how you interact with other people throughout your life. Which is totally subconscious because you don't remember it. Unless your parents Howard, apparently he remembers being born. Yeah, you can remember it.

The first time I did any kind of personal development work was it included a birth regression from the founder of the field, it turns out. So you remember the day you came out? I did not think I could do that, but I went into this weird, she was like, you just did breathwork and just visual guiding there was no hypnotism or anything i called my parents and and said i saw this is that real and like oh yeah yeah that happened and then like they told me like facts that i'd never heard before like what well i was born with a cord uh wrapped around the neck so it didn't cut off oxygen so i thought there's no big deal but after they took me out instead of putting me on my mom which is what

all babies should be as soon as you're born they should be putting you on your mom so you can like form connections yes they put me in this is the 1970s new mexico tech a warming box it's like a plastic box under infrared light and they like set it off in a different room to warm you up before they give you some of red light it's more like a french fry warming light it's like a tanning salon kind of yeah because you know baby might be cold didn't work that well apparently not so that's uh so and that was something that actually created a lot of disconnection i had no idea that happened i didn't know it even existed so i remember that and it was like you remembered being in i i literally called my parents and said

actually was an email because we weren't allowed to talk to him during this thing but and it was like i remember this like being put in a box and some kind of bright light thing and like oh yeah that was i'd never even heard of this so i remember that detail and it really changed my whole nervous system to go back and just let go of that trauma and then i was bullied how do you hack in to remember that this one i'm skeptical on all right this is hilarious So I was married briefly in my 20s. I don't remember anything until I was like three years old. Most people have some memories, but it's all emotions and images, not thoughts.

And so I, I've gotten this, I'd made and lost $6 million. Like I've bought the BMW. I've been an entrepreneur magazine. I was just, you know, failing into your marriage. So I'm like, getting married doesn't make you happy. make you happy having money doesn't make you happy being famous doesn't make you happy none of the shit works like i did everything i worked my ass off like i'm accomplished and i'm miserable so a friend was like you need to go to this personal development thing and i'm like this is it sounds stupid and what is it

so i'm not going to tell you because then you won't go but i was i was like so lost that i got nothing to lose and that really it helps a lot to have nothing to lose whether you want to start a company or just go find yourself like like hit rock bottom So I went to the same. It was called the Star Foundation. And I walk in the door, this place in, like, somewhere in the redwoods in California. And this lady, my name is Barbara. She had these bright blue eyes, like from Dune.

She goes, tell me about your birth. And I'm like, hospitals, vaginas, like, you know, not comfortable here. And she goes, no, do you know anything? And I said, well, I know I had the cord wrapped around my neck, but nothing mattered. She goes, I thought so. And she takes us, like, printed out PowerPoint of, like, a SWAT analysis, like, strength, weakness, opportunity, threat. And basically, pinpoints all of my secrets, all of my stress patterns. And I was like, how could you know that?

And she looked at me and she goes, it's science. We've been studying for the last 30 years how the way you're born affects personality. trades later in life and it turns out she was the founder of the american pre and perinatal psychology association and when i walked in the door because she was an amazing intuitive healer she knew i had birth trauma just because of my way of being she picked me out she said i want to do your birth regression with you and she's literally you know a little little room in a whatever some old hotel thing where they were hosting this event and uh she said you lay down do some deep breaths and just like you know kind of remember this remember this and huge waves of like emotions and

sensation and feelings and like terror and all these i had no idea that was in there i would have told you that was all complete garbage but i'm like i got nothing to lose it's the only reason i was even old to go there and i came out of that event i did my first holotropic breathing there you heard of that i have heard of holotropic so uh can you explain that to people yeah back in the 50s a guy named Stan Groff, a psychiatrist from Czechoslovakia, back when it was Czechoslovakia. He treated 3,000 patients with LSD legally, made by Sandus Pharmaceuticals, companies still around today.

And he had great results. And he figured out these patterns. Then they made it illegal. So he and his wife, June, went out and created a way of breathing that makes you trip balls like your own asset. they took it from a yogic tradition very similar to what weimov does today and they've been teaching this ever since so stan is considered the father of the field of transpersonal psychology where all this healing word comes from and i had the honor of hosting a breath workshop with him when he was 94 and having him on my show so we had taught 200 people how to do his kind of breath work and when you do it you do really fast really deep breathing with like movie soundtrack music playing in a dark room and someone's sitting with you and you will go places I've had more visions from that

than any medicine I've used it is deep deep powerful work are those places real or are they contrived of an experience that you are creating probably some of both what Stan discovered in his work

is that there's five stages of birth there's the I just got conceived and there's lots of space I'm flitting around and what the fuck is going on in here stage okay and there is a conscious you have one cell then two cells then eight cells and zycote this isn't like a brain consciousness it's a cellular consciousness but cells are conscious they're learning how to talk to each other like i'm going to become an arm i'm going to become a brain it all happens we kind of have that mapped out really well and then there's the stage

where it's getting crowded in here and then there's a stage where something's trying to smash me to death what the fuck that would be around birth and then there's a stage of i made it through this tunnel like smashy thing and I come into the world and there's new sensations with light and sound and air and whatever you're exposed to like that and then I think the final step is when you connect with your parents and he found that all of his people with what they call neuroses with basically anxiety were stuck at one of those stages and the the hardest ones were around being born and right after birth and when he would use LSD or holtropic breathing with people they could go back and heal those traumas which would then change everything

and all of transpersonal psychology is a form of time travel time travel it's not that you're really traveling in time it's that every word in your mind every memory in your mind is access through an emotion associated with it so that's what in database work we call the primary key like it's how you look things up and that's not apparent to us but that's how it works sure so if you have a negative or a painful emotion associated with something everything associated with it is is named that so if you can go back in time and re-experience what that birth was like whether you're doing breath work or whatever the thing is and change the pattern every experience that was labeled with that negative pattern stops being labeled with it and now it's labeled with a positive pattern

which is why you go back as far as you can and in your memories and you do your deep healing work then because every trauma that happens since then will fall like dominoes It's like you went back in time, fix the originating trauma, and all the other traumas just stop mattering. That's the part where I'm a little, I'm like, how real is that? Like, how can you fix something that has been, I mean, if we want to go back to birth, something that's been ingrained in you since the moment you stepped into the lighter right before. Like, how do you really undo that? Oh, it's actually not as hard as you might think. there's multiple techniques all of them around transpersonal there's psychedelic

journeying there's breathwork there's somatic therapy somatic therapy most of what we experience at that age is felt in the body so somatic therapy is about finding the feeling in the body and and actually looking for it in the tissues and I mentioned before that you have this separate intelligence of mitochondria distributed network throughout the body that has its own things it has its own traumas it has its own memories and has its own behaviors that affect the world before you get to see it so you may have experiences you ever be with a woman a massage your hips or see or get hip work done anybody will tell you this massage women's hips they'll start crying right I'm seeing a nod over

there right it's because our bodies store trauma in our tissues that fascia is actually information that we're getting the body and the the trauma is there so you get your thumbs and then you push on it and like I have no idea why I'm crying but I didn't it's just a release so semantic therapy is like it's not on your head it's in your body and then in your head and if you try to think it's in our head it doesn't work it's like if there's a projector running through a little transparent thing projecting on the wall and you're like i'm gonna go work on the wall dude you got to go to the slide where the projection is coming through right yeah so a lot of like cognitive behavioral therapy and a lot of this i'll do with my mind it's like shadow puppets

on the wall you got to go back to the original image and it's actually not that hard to to make sense of it you imagine that you have a spreadsheet right and if you change whatever's in column one for everything it changes for everything all it wants right so if you know cell 1a it's the number 10 and you tell cell 2 equals cell 1 cell 3 equals cell 1 they're all going to be 10 you change that one cell everything tied to that changes that's actually how trauma works in the body how realistic is it though like if we move towards things that people do remember right let's say you're dealing with a girl who was essayed at age eight remembers every single thing that happened and obviously that has affected her behaviors as a human being across the board since then as it would any human being

how do you reset something that traumatic one of my employees all my senior leaders go through 40 years in where we do this kind of work and i can talk about this because he's given a few public talks about it okay and he was abused by a priest when he was 12 for several years very successful executive in fact a lot of successful entrepreneurs either went through heavy bullying or essay or emotional abuse as kids and some of the fire to be an entrepreneur comes from i'm going to prove that i'm good enough i'm going to prove that i'm safe and the first half of my career absolutely had that from bullying doesn't have that anymore so he went through exactly the process i'm talking about over five days and what's the gratitude well he talked about it he got the school

shut down he actually saved hundreds of other boys from the same fate he'd never seen it that way like talk about gratitude so he went through it but he did something heroic and it repatterned his entire life like his anxiety levels dropped dramatically that's amazing yeah and i can see how that would help but it doesn't change the fact that it happened oh no it doesn't change the fact that it happened it changes how he reacts since then so the idea is that i've had people come through who were physically tortured like in war right it's similar like oh right where someone's intentionally doing this to you the darkest parts of human when they come in they're like i was i was tortured and it was a big deal and when they're done they're like i was tortured and i'm okay

and the difference is one of them you're suppressing and in the other one there is no energy left on it you are fully done being reactive to the trauma your body is safe your mind is safe you acknowledge that it happened you acknowledge that it was not okay and there is no more pain at all associated with it because you're here and now and it's not happening to you anymore because you went back and you repatterned the nervous system to teach you that it was still safe even though it wasn't safe at the time but if you were taught that you weren't safe sometime when you were eight and for the rest of your life you never feel safe again because of that that means whoever did that to you they won and if you teach yourself to be safe and to acknowledge that it happened and say that's not going to happen to me again it's not going to

have anyone else in my presence and you can do it not from a place of anger not from a place of sadness from a place of neutrality and a place of power place of control this is what makes people courageous is what makes people unstoppable this is what makes people peaceful and happy and it's what makes people dangerous because if you can control someone with fear and trauma they're not very dangerous but if you cannot control someone with fear and trauma they're going to do the right thing and you can't stop them that's why governments love people to be afraid yeah i have this this thing i've said before about us all fighting politically and whatever the divided society is a compliant society and i think that that the core of why that is is exactly what you're saying oh yeah you give each side

human psychology you give them something to be really upset about or fearful of and they will other other people oh yeah and fight with each other about it while the people who are the puppeteers laugh they're laughing while they're fighting over the 5% that they really don't give a fuck about up here and and the sides the idea of sides is very childish oh i totally agree the world is based on polarities you cannot have anything you can't have peace without war you can't have joy without pain you can't have male without female you can't have you know power without powerlessness like all of them so every polarity out there when you are truly a master you can move to either side of that polarity without being afraid without having an emotional

reaction it's all play that's what enlightenment looks like well that's the thing you know you can you can to live in a world that you want to exist that doesn't that's narcissistic might be but even looking at the benefit of the doubt people who are looking for world peace and stuff like that it might not be narcissistic it's just if you pretend like the world is full of peace when it's not that's narcissistic if you're working for world peace and you believe it's possible that's powerful see the right that's what i'm saying i think that that's what i'm getting on i think there's a lot of people who actually believe that quote unquote world peace is possible oh yeah and i would love to believe that's possible, but I recognize that goes against human nature. And the thing I do

struggle with sometimes thinking about this is exactly what you just said, which is that in order for us to feel good, we have to know what pain is. In order for us to experience joy, we have to know hopelessness. In order for us to experience calm, we have to know anxiety. You know, and these, it doesn't mean that you need to experience, you know, the negative side of that as much or equal to the positive side of that but even experiencing any of it is what you would deem some sort of struggle in life something that is painful something that's not a good impetus to put upon you and yet it gets to the core meaning of life itself that we do go through those things if you experience pain and you don't struggle it's a lot less painful it's the struggle that's the problem this is why one

of the more powerful new biohacking techniques that i just put into the world in this book is called bicep and it's brief intentional conscious exposure to pain so monks in the 14th century they would get like a flogger and they'd whip themselves on their back every morning i remember just being so opus day and shit does right who does opus day yeah yeah they have the little painful thing on their leg like santu crested oh yeah well there's a reason for it and it's not because they're terrible centers and it's the same reason that yogis lay on beds of nails I remember I asked my teacher like oh the priest did it because they thought they were sinners the yogis wanted to show they were a good yogi the teacher should have said I don't have any

idea why they did that and then you go to Texas we just eat really hot peppers right or how many addicts do you know or former addicts who don't have a tattoo a couple but I see very very few right tattoos hurt so it turns out intentionally exposing yourself to something that's painful, but doesn't cause harm, regulates your dopamine sensitivity. It makes your dopamine receptors 250% more sensitive. Dopamine is what motivates you to do things that matter. So when someone's recovering from addiction or someone's experiencing a lot of anxiety,

any practice like that, including what biohackers do, we're just getting cold water, right? It just, it has to hurt or it doesn't work. Entirely different from the metabolic benefits and the inflammation benefit. it's i made myself do something that sucked for one minute and then the rest of the day i need less willpower to be a good monk to be a good yogi to be a good in recovery addict whatever the thing was your goal was it just takes intentional suffering control yeah effectively right so there i felt my pain now i can feel joy right and the same thing goes even in this war peace thing you want world peace create arenas for war impulses to come out more mMA if that's what people need right it doesn't

have to be destroying another country like we can have those that's what football is right yeah modern day gladiators yeah so the trick though is if you're sitting there and you're completely destabilized when you hear about someone else's suffering you're completely powerless you want to develop compassion instead of empathy and this is why i wrote like a spirituality compassion instead of empathy what I learned in that monastery in Nepal is that there's steps to enlightenment and this is the Buddhist definition of enlightenment in the West we would call it true resilience or equanimity but step one empathy but empathy actually sucks okay you want to feel everyone

else's pain just go to McDonald's and be fully empathetic the people who have the most empathy we're all traumatized as kids and they learned to feel other people's feelings to be safe so they could have a prediction of when something bad would happen do you think that's always the case almost always sure there's exceptions okay so uncontrolled empathy it's better than being apathetic and numb but man it's a painful thing to do the step above empathy once you've developed that is compassion compassion is when you teach yourself to automatically wish other people well before you can judge them so this is like inserting a layer in your operating system before you can think you already wished the other person well it's an automated thing pre-thinking

and compassion's great because now i would love everyone around me you know to be in the best possible place for them but you don't have to feel their pain unless you choose to and then oh look that guy asks for some help okay then use use empathy to connect and whatever and you know help out and empathize but it becomes something you control versus a default state so compassion is a higher state than empathy and then the state above that is equanimity which means you get to choose your state regardless of what's happening the world around you that's the monk meditating in the middle of hurricane it's like i got this you cannot change my state without my permission that's the big goal maybe this is it just because i have a different interpretation of it

because these are complex topics totally but i think the way i think of empathy Maybe I am striving to look at the Merriam-Webster's dictionary definition of it. So I got to say that before I do this. I never done that. But the way I look at it is it can be a journey to trying your best to understand the other person that you can then step outside of. Meaning the way you just described it, which might be academically correct, by the way, I don't know, is it's more like you're, I don't want to, you said it way more beautifully than I'm going to remember it. But it's more like you're stepping inside of it to feel it and then distract from. How did you say it when you were sitting in the McDonald's?

Say that again. Well, if you walk into McDonald's and you automatically feel everyone else's pain, there's a lot of people who are stuck in hunger and anxiety. And you basically pick up all the garbage that people transmit all the time because of that trauma. So empathy is a very expensive and painful state. Right. Okay. Now that we have that, what I'm saying is it's all.

almost like the way I've looked at it is you can step into it for a minute and then you don't have to carry it out of the room with you you don't have to like I think of myself as as someone who if I went to do a job like this I better be very empathetic because there's sometimes like we do a lot of fun episodes and then we have some people telling a tragic story in here sometimes or sometimes you'll be doing a three hour comedy episode in 10 minutes veers off to something really serious from it can happen happens all the time at the snap of the finger So I have to be able to do my best. I can't understand exactly what it's like to walk in their shoes, but do my best to understand based on what they're telling me. And then when I leave this room, not have that trauma become my trauma too. So maybe what I'm thinking of as empathy is actually more of a form of compassion. Sounds like it. I've just been describing it as empathy.

A lot of people confuse the two. So it's empathy where if you're like not doing this, Because anytime you're going to be a good interviewer, and you are a good interview, by the way. Thank you. I've done quite a few episodes, too, and you can tell someone really gets it. So there's stuff that you're doing that unless you've done a lot of energy work and some other spiritual practices, you wouldn't know. But you actually are creating a field in the studio, which allows your guest to express something or not express something. Sure.

So like the safer, I guess, feels the more that they feel that you understand them, the more they're going to bring you truth and reality, unless they're not. narcissist or a sociopath. The narcissists will bring you their truth, which is bullshit, and the sociopath will play you, and it'll be hard to detect. Right. So let's assume we don't have that going on. Yep. So a new interviewer is going to be so anxious that they can't create a field for knowledge transfer or a field of safety, so then guests don't open up for them. Like, that's where Rogan, he's like, he's a master. Like, he really creates people just bring reality just themselves there, which is, which is really true. I haven't experienced it in person. so that's a difference it's a different skill than so i have so much empathy i can't be in crowds

like i know you probably know people like that because you feel a lot but i understand yeah yes yeah but the worst of all imagine if whether you had desire or no desire you couldn't feel any empathy for people like that's a dark place to be yes right so empathy is better than none and compassion is better than empathy and then being able to choose your state on top of compassion so that no one can take you out of your state that's the game right and i had an opportunity i did a biohacking consciousness event a little while ago and i had the dalai lama's best friend and co-author victor chan on stage with me and relayed to jackie i wonder um could be it was up in vancouver but he's not a lot of chance in the world yeah exactly right he uh he goes

I'm we talked about this topic actually in front of the audience and he said you know I remember when a monk who was in jail for 20 years and tortured made his way out and came to Darm Sal to talk to the Dalai Lama and the Dalai Lama said what was the worst thing that happens like the moment that was the most difficult and the monk thought about it and he said it was the one time I almost lost compassion for my captors right as long as he was able to hold that state of compassion no matter what happened to him they couldn't really hurt him but if he had dropped into empathy and felt all the hate and garbage from his captors would not have been good like that's master little stuff heavy yeah that's

very heavy there was something else that Victor said that was one of the the biggest compliments that I've that I've received he heard about the F word frame because I was sharing that and he got on stage and he said Dave all that stuff the Dalai Lama says makes a lot more sense with this framework so a lot of Buddhist scholars are looking at heavily meditated now and that's why it became a best selling philosophy book and meditation book and I wouldn't have really expected that starting at mitochondrial decision making but what we're really talking about here is that your ego is a manifestation of my mitochondrial behaviors everything you've ever done that you're ashamed of was one of the first three

f words fear of food and fucking everything all the times were unkind to other people all the times we do things we wish we didn't do every procrastination every everything it's all mitochondria trying to keep you live running old patterns they picked up somewhere along the way yeah and fear is such a wide dent oh my god yeah that could be literally anything yeah you know we know one wrong step one day i mean we all experience it so everyone is dealing with that in some facets some just worse than others completely and the easiest thing to do to to get up from that is get your energy back like learn how to eat learn how to sleep like get a like a really floral mask for your eyes like the one you have that's right flowers on it yeah it's it yeah it's uh

it's not a flowered one but it feels that way lacer dave was watching me talk about this and in the past before he came here is making fun of me for it it does work though shout out louisa nicola she really i didn't want to try it but that was a game changer the darkness is uh it's like biohacking 101 at like the whole definition change the environment around you yeah so that you have control of your state um i've been teaching people to black out their bedroom tape over every little LED wear the true dark glasses before bed all that stuff because darkness is as important as light we talked about all this polarity your your cells those dumb little mitochondria they're trying to figure out what time of day it is yeah because when they're floating in the ocean

two billion years ago in the morning there's a red light that would be sunrise right and then as it warms up and the light becomes overhead and brighter there's more food so it's warmer and that's when all the algae's growing the little bacteria eat all the algae right and then afternoon comes it becomes red becomes cooler right and then it becomes darker and that's when you should recover because there's no food and there's no sunlight well if you wake up or just when you're going to bed turn those bright lights in your bathroom even for five seconds in all of recorded history there's never been that kind of a bright white available ever except during daylight right it's against our biology yeah and it doesn't take much there's a study of 800 guys in

Japan this was only for men for some reason probably as a retirement home I don't know but they found the amount of street light that leaks around curtains increases depression by 69% like we have don't look at my bedroom when you go buy it well you're putting a face mask on which at least helps that's what I'm saying I have one of the ones with the pillows around the eyes yeah the pink ones good yeah it's not pink I mean it's black I you know let's give me black leather is that one but no it's not leather but what i am saying is i have a skylight up above that would drive me insane oh yeah but i don't notice it

at all there you go okay because it's locked in like that and i have french doors i mean you see the windows out there this is a bright place great view too yeah thank you thank you you you know you do some other things that are like biohacking 101 um i've been taping my mouth for nine years now every night is so good and um even my daughter i think if she was 13 she's like dad can i try that i'm okay and after two nights he's like can have my own roll of that tape sure and she tapes her mouth every night so i wake up and i don't have bad breath like it just works better and your brain is happier it's it's the best so if i'm in hotel i got a mask on a very masculine one and then uh and then i'll tape my mouth uh and i put in a bite guard beforehand because you want to like

put some space in your in your jaws because as you wear your teeth down it screws up your whole body's nervous system yes so i've heard that it's it's a whole ritual but man my quality of sleep is so much better i could not agree more man i never thought about that shit i i i'm gonna go on a whole thing but you and i were talking about this before like i had some bad health problems and one of the side effects from all the shit that was happening to me was because i was so distorted in my head at all times and stuffed up for three years for the first time of my life i became a mouth breather and it changed the entire shape of my face and everything and so obviously i started to fix that as i got treatment

that was working, but the last step that really took me over the top there is that almost every human being, if left to their own devices, when they sleep at some point in the night, they'll do some mouth breathing. So I started tape on my mouth shut and like the shape of my face changed back to what it used to be, which is like a crazy relief compared to where it was. But I sleep with that, the nose strip and the eye mask. And it, I swear by them. I will not ever sleep. without those things there's a side benefit you have a girlfriend i don't know okay what i have made girls sleep with with the mouth tape and and try i mean they they decide on their own accord duct tape but you know no it's not it's not duct tape but to whatever you're like i'll try it too and then

and then they like it so you know same here man got to be careful i you say that i just i tell even even uh married couples when doing like relationship work with them it's like that's good for the marriage because both people want taped you won't yell at each other you can shut the fuck up that's right that is a nice little side effect just being honest the the jaw structure thing I went through what I was about like 30-ish and it took two years they put a expander in and they moved my upper palate to spread my upper teeth so my jaw could come down and forward the way it needs to we talked about pasteurized milk women who eat pasteurized milk and a lot of grain how babies with crowded teeth and their lower jaw further back so my jaw used to be

more like this oh wow so I didn't have any surgery I just naturally expanded the palate and allowed the jaw to relax amazing your jaw right here your trigeminal nerve where you get you know tension TMJ and all that it runs right next to the Vegas nerve the Vegas nerve controls sympathetic and parasympathetic fight or rest and relax so you get an inflamed TMJ it inflames the central control nerve for your whole whole nervous system, which is why Biden alignment is so important. Wow. Yeah.

You're just an encyclopedia there. I had to fix all the shit. I was so broken, so broken. People, they have no idea, like, the amount of, I just thought I was supposed to hurt to be alive all the time. Yeah, and just brain fog and emotional activity. And I didn't even know I had anxiety because it was always there. You feel happy now?

Yeah. Like, and this whole, just sense of awe, like, wow, I can't believe that this is the world I live in. very very different state but that's cool just say if I can lose a hundred pounds and I can do that it's probably going to be easier for you like that was the worst case that's the message I get from you like your attitude for for better or worse I would describe it's for better you are coming across like hey you know you don't have to do every single thing that you do because like this is your life it's also your business and everything but like man if you tweak 25% of things

your life experience can be 75% better and it's doable for so many people I there 100% and there's a nuance in there that I'd love to offer the more you live in your head the more trauma you have like being too much in your head which is where I was entirely um is a sign that you're just like stuff you don't want to feel because it's too much work and it's not you're choosing to do that that's just a natural way we're wired preaching the choir yeah so here's the thing we just listed like 50 different things you could probably do now if you live in your head you're going to say I'm going to make a list of all 50 I'm going to do them one through 50.

You will not do it because it's too big. Yeah. So what I want anyone listening to the show to do, there were three things that you heard that made you perk up. Like the hairs in the back that you're like, oh, like the ones that you felt in your gut, wherever you feel it, just do those three. Like your intuition is telling you what to do first if you'll only listen, which means you can't think about it.

You just have to feel about it. There's a lot of guys writing down, grow my dick right now. I'm pretty sure that was number one. yeah yeah i'll take two inches yep there you go wasabi method took everything there's nothing left and and it's and i would say do that and one of the things i talked about whichever one it is that talks about adding more energy to your system like learning how to eat right learning how to sleep right adding more energy that means when you deal with whatever fear you have whatever hunger you have whatever lust or love or whatever you need enough at the end to invest back in transforming yourself

And if you're just so depleted energetically, add more energy of the system and then stop wasting on fear and on hunger and on OnlyFans or wherever you're wasting it. Right. That's the right order. But trying to do this when you're low energy, it's stupid. Like get your testosterone and thyroid checked. Yeah. That's an easy thing to do. That's an easy thing to start with. I like that. Take off bite sizes and start building and build new habits. That's awesome shit. Well, people can get the links to your books down below. We'll have all that. We'll have your website as well. as some of your businesses. I'm going to try this coffee out there next. It smells incredible.

I just got to go to the bathroom. But if you don't mind when we come back, I'd love to do a Patreon episode with you too. I got a lot of longevity questions. So there's going to be good shit in here. Everybody else, you know what it is? Give it a thought. Get back to me. Peace. Thank you guys for watching the episode. If you haven't already, please hit that subscribe button and smash that like button on the video. They're both a huge help. And if you would like to follow me on Instagram and X, those links are in my description below.