Julian Dorey Podcast - #357 - Stu Feiner UNLOADS on Perfect Sex Method, 9/11 & "The One w/ the Mouse Head

Episode Date: November 20, 2025

PATREON: https://www.patreon.com/JulianDorey (***TIMESTAMPS in description below) ~ Stu Feiner is an American sports handicapper and media personality. Feiner works for Barstool Sports and is known to be the real life inspiration of Al Pacino's character in the 2005 film Two for the Money. 43 years ago Feiner effectively invented the gambling handicapping business. STU's LINKS: IG: https://www.instagram.com/stufeiner/?hl=en X: https://x.com/StuartFeiner/ CAMEO: https://www.cameo.com/stufeiner?srsltid=AfmBOooePBAQdwWTg1I385DMmwbeKUVKx0-YZyFCB84Fr_4DPwfdRK04 BOOK: https://www.amazon.com/Betcha-I-Can-Stu-Feiner/dp/1593305699 FOLLOW JULIAN DOREY INSTAGRAM (Podcast): https://www.instagram.com/juliandoreypodcast/ INSTAGRAM (Personal): https://www.instagram.com/julianddorey/ X: https://twitter.com/julianddorey JULIAN YT CHANNELS - SUBSCRIBE to Julian Dorey Clips YT: https://www.youtube.com/@juliandoreyclips - SUBSCRIBE to Julian Dorey Daily YT: https://www.youtube.com/@JulianDoreyDaily - SUBSCRIBE to Best of JDP: https://www.youtube.com/@bestofJDP ****TIMESTAMPS**** 0:00 - Intro 0:35 - Stu was Suic1dal for 7 years 7:14 - The Funniest Stu video of all time & backstory 13:58 - Gambling responsibility 20:18 - Stu’s story getting into gambling, Stu’s Insider System, Vegas Oddsmakers 32:00 - Stu is not a scam, Stu giving gambling picks as a kid 39:15 - Stu’s father (story), Stu’s wife (story), Stu’s start in gambling handicapping 50:34 - Why Young Men are LOST right now, Stu on State of America, Entitlement 57:05 - The “I Am You” Theory, Dave Portnoy 1:06:08 - 9/11 was the turning point, Stu’s addictions, Breaking trust & parenting 1:13:22 - Stu’s 9/11 story 1:18:08 - Stu’s Mom growing up, V10lence in Stu’s household, Stu reflects on pain, Hate Crime Story 1:28:21 - Stu becomes a great athlete, Stu’s d*** & “Spin the bottle,” Parenting Discipline 1:32:42 - Stu’s Overeating (Story), Stu Mom “Monster” 1:34:43 - Stu’s dr*g problems begin, Bowling Alley C*caine Story, “Physical” Culture 1:47:09 - Stu’s first partner, the Mafia & Becoming “Protected” Guy (FULL STORY) 2:07:54 - Stu gets on ESPN in 1990, “Hammering” Credit Cards, Stu on “Sports Advisors” (FOOTAGE) 2:14:17 - Stu’s Alter Ego does not exist, Rupert Murdoch takes Stu out 2:16:38 - Internet takes Stu out, NFL Sues Stu (STORY) 2:25:05 - Stu’s Old Bookmaker Schedule, Stu on being “Dead” 2:30:58 - Barstool & Dave Portnoy come calling (STORY) 2:37:38 - The Perfect Hour of S3x 2:47:47 - The True Story behind “Two For the Money” movie (Al Pacino & Matthew McConaughey) 2:57:25 - Holding grudges, Stu’s Morning Routine, Meditation 3:02:28 - Stu’s Work CREDITS: - Host, Editor & Producer: Julian Dorey - COO, Producer & Editor: Alessi Allaman - https://www.youtube.com/@UCyLKzv5fKxGmVQg3cMJJzyQ - In-Studio Producer: Joey Deef - https://www.instagram.com/joeydeef/ Julian Dorey Podcast Episode 357 - Stu Feiner Music by Artlist.io Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

So I create the perfect hour of sex. The 15.15. 15.30. 15 minutes. 15 minutes. 30 minutes. And if you can't hold your up to bring a vibrator and the vibrator I used, which is in real life, mouse head at the end,

back and forth, ram that into the carpenters, and then you f*** the and the on these. Well, that was the wild. of shit I've heard in my life. If you're not following on Spotify, please hit that follow button and enjoy the episode with what can only be described

as the one and only Stu Feiner. Love it. Yeah. Well, Stu Feiner, it is fucking great to have you here. Where do you get all this energy from, man?

You just walk through the door, the temperature goes up around here. I don't know. I'm listening. I love life. I love that I'm alive. I love that. You know, people love me

and I love people. and I'm a people pleaser, and I'm looking, you know, for the energy, confidence to go through my body into everyone here and let's have a good fucking time. I love it. You know what I'm saying? You're a people pleaser? Yes, absolutely. I like to make people happy. I like to make people comfortable.

I like to engage in people. And for some reason, I have like a gift where, you know, I can beat someone for two minutes and they're telling me that their wife's fucking the babysitting. You know what I mean? I don't know why. but, you know, I don't know if it's a fucking Jew thing or it's something, but I love people. I really do. And I love helping people.

And I feel very honored, grateful, blessed that I've had a phenomenal life. Everything wasn't always roses. You know, I started off, you know, very young, being extremely successful. And I probably didn't make a fucking mistake in my life until about 1998. I had a run in business of 16 years of, Everything I touched turned to fucking gold. Every person I touched fucking loved me and helped me. And whether it was a man, he opened his life to me.

If it was a woman, they opened their fucking vagina to me. And then once the internet hit, and I made a very catastrophic, severe mistake, thinking the internet was a bust. And that was like a bubble that was never going to work. Yeah, because all my friends. In 94, five, six, seven dropped millions of dollars into the internet, and it didn't work. And it was just like a whole of money. But then all of a sudden, in 98, when it hit, they all became multi, multi-millionaires. And I was on the outside looking in.

So I was on the balls of my ass for like seven, eight years. Wow. You know, I couldn't afford fucking water for my kids. So that really humbled me. You know what I mean? when you're struggling and you're on the balls of your fucking ass. And in addition to it, you've got to put a happy face on to the fucking world that you've got no problems, nothing's wrong.

Meanwhile, you're fucking dying for years and years and years and years and years on end. You really have an attitude of gratitude. You know what I'm saying? You really know what it is to struggle. Know what it is to be on the other end. Know what it is to be in foreclosure for seven years, waiting for somebody and knock on the door and taking your fucking house. So in other words, I really have full circle. I've been on the top of the mountain. I've been on the bottom of the mountain. I've been low in the fucking bottom. And now

I'm back in the clouds, you know, rising up and, you know, ready to roll. Seven years, though, that is a long time to be at the lows and the lows. Like you said, with a wife and kids. Oh, God. How do you stay present when you're going through seven years of waiting for the world to crash in on you? You know something. You act as if. You act as if, and you just get to the next second, the next moment, the next hour, the next day. And that's how you have to live. And it's a nightmare. I mean, it is a nightmare.

Like, I never thought, I'm like, people who kill themselves and people who commit suicide, I'm like, you're a fucking jerk off. That is like the lowest thing to do until I thought about it for two, three, four years. I'm like, am I better off killing myself? I got like three million worth of fucking insurance here. My wife and my four kids will be safe. We could pay off the fucking house and she could find her merry way.

And I saw that battle, like physically, emotionally, spiritually, and mentally, four years. Four years. I'm just thinking about it every day. Like, because to be depressed is just brutal. You know what I'm saying? But what it did is it opened up an area for me

that I never experienced, and I'm a better person for it right now. So that's why, you know, the bums on the street, I give them money. When we go to Chicago, me and my wife, we go to the, you know, $1,000 dinners, I take all the fucking leftovers and I walk the fucking streets of Chicago and give it out to the homeless fucking people. So in other words, I don't ever look like I'm better than anyone because I'm not. Because one second you're on top, next second you're on the fucking bottom.

And I experienced it. It's not just words or reading it in a book or watching a fucking movie. So I know, you know, I'm 64 right now, been there, done that. There's nothing I haven't seen. There's nothing I haven't done. Nothing I really haven't experienced. So, you know, it makes me a well-rounded human, a well-rounded individual. You know, so that's why, you know, I have an attitude of gratitude.

Very great. Clearly. Humble, grateful, blessed. I pray every morning, meditate every morning, close it out every night, meditating, praying, and just, you know, just saying there by the grace of God. Oh, I love that. You know what I'm saying? That's really where I'm at. That's when I think about all the time. You know, you get a little impatient with someone or something's in your way when you're having a bad day. And it's, you know, the other person doesn't know, it's like, oh, that could be me or like I could be in that situation. That's a great perspective to have. But isn't it funny how in life, you know, you have to know what the worst is, whatever your worst is, to know what the good is, to know how good things. can feel you know you can't you wouldn't know like if you just lived an easy life everything's kind of given to you you don't have any struggle no reason to worry about when to survive or you know

have an existential thoughts like you did you wouldn't even know that you have it good but when you go through something like you did for that long I mean seven years is is a crazy long time four years to be thinking about taking your own life with a family and everything as well and and having that hanging over your head that's that's a crazy long time but like now as you just explain beautifully like you harness that and you're able to use that and understand like oh that's where it can be here's where it's great though exactly exactly yeah so you know and then i don't know where you want to start but we could start at the very very beginning that's exactly what i wanted to do you okay my mind still because like people are listening to you right now who those who actually

don't know who the great stew finer is people are listening you're like who the fuck is this guy just dropping some bars to open a podcast but before we actually get to your story i have to say yes You are the owner of the funniest video I have ever seen in the history of my life. It is a video I send to people probably at least once a month in some context. I have a 10 second clip of it that I send as a meme to people whenever something goes wrong in my life. And I like to play it right now so that you can give me the play by play of what it felt like afterwards. But Danny, if we can pull up that video, I have it on that link. I was explaining to my dad yesterday who was coming in.

He's like, Stu Feiner, Stu Feiner. I'm like, you know the video of the guy screaming at the Cowboys Seahawks game? He's like, no fucking way. All right, yeah, let's play it. Camera five. Beautiful, five, on DVD, money. Look at this kid. Yep.

All right. You ready? Yep. All right. So, they'll kick the extra point. All right, laying two and a half, three, recover. So the Cowboys, it's dead time. They're up 10.

It's a two and a half cover. You got money on the Cowboys. Seahawks score a garbage time TV with a minute left. They'd need to do an onside kick. But anyone else would take an extra point so that it's three and you cover. But for some reason, he's open the two points. Here we go. The finger point, here it is.

No! No! No! No! Oh, wait to kick! Oh, wait to kick! No! Stop them!

Stop them! Fuck! Fuck! You motherfucker! Fuck! I'm sorry to be laughing at your pain, but that is the funniest fucking thing. Oh my god. There we got perfect. Perfect, Danny.

Well, what's gone through your head when you take a bad beat like that? That's one of the worst nightmares ever because, you know, my mind works very quickly. I'm very glib, I'm very quick. So in other words, the minute something happens, um, that win was hundreds of thousands of dollars. That one. Yes. Where customers pay me for my picks.

Then they bet on my selections. And then after they win, they either tip me or pay me for future selections. That game was a key, key game where I had a lot of money on the line. So right after it wins, people paying me immediately. my phone blows up Stu I fucking love you you can fuck my wife you could fuck my girl

you want my daughter to do your ass you know like whatever it is because gambling is the hardest thing in the world to win I'm in a business where it is literally the hardest thing to do so if and when I get on a roll if and when I win a big game like that

and the potential of that game is enormous it's just like it's such an emotional bankrupt Empty horror show, should I fucking put a gun on my mouth and blow my fucking brains out feeling? Because the consequences are devastating. You know, people come to me, they were already buried.

You know what I mean? No one ever comes to me and goes, Stu, never gambled before, just saw you on bar stool or just heard you on something and I want to pay you. that's not the story story is stew i did it on my own i got killed then i tried something else and i lost more money then i tried to double up and now i'm fucked i'm in a psychological devastating depressing state where if i lose this game stew you know i'm in real life or death trouble that i have no answer for that game i had a lot of people exactly like that oh boy so i was counting my money I was counting the relationships I was going to build, the money I was going to make.

And then all of a sudden, it's like a trap door and you just fall into fucking hell. You know what I'm saying? Your ball sack is burning on a campfire. And you're just in pain. And the pain never goes away. You don't sleep for, like I didn't sleep for like a week after that game because there's no actual way to get out now.

Now you've got to talk to hundreds of people about depression about their catastrophic situation do they got to borrow money you know sell their house go to their parents and tell them what they did you know people who took money from their businesses you know and it's just you know the consequences are severe that's why gambling is for the rich to have fun and lose money right lose money gambling and losing are equal you know what I'm saying that's why it's So dangerous now, the gambling is legal. Yeah.

And everybody can do it. The only good thing is by 21 years old, when you can legally gamble, you get murdered by, you know, mid-20s, you stop. Or you take a zero off of it. Like, everybody should gamble every single fucking day. No issue about it. It's so much fun. It also teaches you life lessons. It teaches you to have control, to have composure.

To have control. Yeah, absolutely. Because if you gamble too much. money and you have no control similar to gambling in life in business in relationships whatever it is if you have no control you're going to fuck up your life gambling really teaches you the hard lessons of life so it's a negative where you're going to get murdered most of the time get you know people get killed gambling they don't lose a little they lose a lot they lose 10 times what they should right you know losing they're betting 10 times what they should be betting so in other words that's

specific game, God, did I have like, you know, like interventions with people and it was really ugly. It was very fucking ugly. But do you, like, I love the point you make about like, well, it's for the rich to have fun and be willing to lose money and whatever. But when you're taught, that is the thing. Like, especially now with everything being legalized with gambling, it's free will. People can decide to do it. But you know people have a predilection sometimes towards being addicted to things they shouldn't be addicted to. Like, you know, your business and we'll explain all the context on this in a little bit, people, but this is a good point right here. You're on, so I don't want to take you off it.

Your business is to be able to handicap things and give people the best advice they can get so they can gamble and, you know, try to win. But like, you know, if you're being paid by some people sometimes where you're like, dude, you're taking a fucking line of credit on your five-year-old business or something like that, just to bet on the Seahawks, maybe you should like not do this? Like, are those, do you ever think about having those conversations that are against putting money in your pocketbook, but also like maybe helping the person who, like, clearly isn't seeing they're not helping themselves before barstool i've been with barstall since

2016 so before barstool no because my clientele was 40 50 60 year olds men women that have either inherited money through death accident luck men and women who've built businesses up from nothing and now are worth hundreds of thousands, millions, hundreds of millions, in certain circumstances, billions, okay, people who have fuck you money, you know, trust fund people. Those were the people my entire life that bet with me. Because first of all, I'm charging anywhere between 100 to 50,000 per day, week, month. So I'm charging absurd numbers. You're paying me up for. You're paying me up front. You know, you're not paying me on the come. You're paying me up front for my expertise, for my experience doing this. I created the sports gambling, handicapping, pick selling business

in 1980. I was the first person to go big, mainstream. I had 220 full and part-time people working for me. It was a boiler room operation. I was the first to advertise on ESPN. I was the first to go nationwide and blow it out. So in other words, when I started, first of all, to pay me up front, you have to have, fuck you money. And then to gamble, you know, you have to have money.

All of a sudden with Barstool, my audience is now like 18 to 25-year-olds. That's my whole audience. So I had to literally say to the fucking person, you know, like a lot of people in, when I started at Barstool, still were betting on credit. Credit's death.

because the bookmaker or the sports book knows that give the person credit because they're going to lose all their money and then they'll pay it out because they want to gamble again. And in reality, the only way to make money back that you lose gambling because you're going to lose 10, 20, 30, 40, 50 times more than you really thought is to gamble in their mind. Like, I just lost 10,000 in 10 seconds. I got to fucking work my dick off.

to make this money back in the real world. You know what I'm saying? So my audience really shifted. So now with Barstool, when I get these people on the phone, I'm like, listen, hey, slow the fuck down here. You don't get to, you know, I don't give a fuck how much money you have. You know, you have to just realize gambling's for the rich to have fun and lose money. It's like you're going to a movie, going to a show, spending money on a great.

eat Neil. But they don't fucking listen. Nobody listens. They're like, you're Stu Feiner. Al Pacino played you in the movie. You invented the business. You got millions of dollars. Men want to be you. Women want to be with you. You're a living fucking legend, Stu. We believe in you. So people blindly

trust me like, you know, like I'm their priest. You know what I'm saying? Like, they trust me with their fucking life. And catastrophically when I go, like, I'm going to lose guaranteed 40% at a time. Yeah. You know, 60% winning is inhuman.

It's unbelievable. Yeah, you get a 20% spread on your wins to losses. You can make some fucking money. Unbelievable, 60%. And so in other words, if you're with me when I hit 40%, or you're with me when I hit 20%, I'm going to wreck you. So in other words, with Barstool, I put the brakes on.

With Barstool, I understand the client. I talk to the client a little more. I ask him what's up rather than just look at a, hey, let me just take 100,000 on this guy, he's worth 10 million. Who gives a fuck? You know, when people come to him and go, I lost $2.2 million, you know, I make a million dollars a year, but I lost $2.2 million. I need you to help me.

I don't really worry about that guy. Because that guy's, you know, that guy's set. He understands the consequences. He's a million dollar earner, and he could lose money. Yeah. But not these kids that are going to, college that are, you know, bleeding their parents for their fucking money or selling marijuana or Coke or Molly or whatever the concert tickets, whatever the fuck they're doing, robbing,

you know, whatever they're doing. I got it. I teach them about life. And that's why gambling is such a great Alexa. It's such a great lesson for life. Because you think one thing, but that's not the reality of what the story ends up to be. Yeah. You know what I mean?

You can ruin your fucking life. You can piss away money that can put you in a hole that you can make other bad decisions. Then all of a sudden, you're cranky with your girl. You lose a relationship. You are late to work because you got a maneuver and you're not performing. Well, you lose your fucking job. Then all of a sudden, you know, you start lying, you start cheating, you start stealing. So gambling could force you in a bad situation that really put you in a,

corner where you've got to make a decision on your fucking life. And hopefully you understand where you put everything in perspective. Okay, I could gamble forever. But I've got to take zeros off of what I'm doing. And that's really how, you know, gambling works. When did you, like,

when did you get into gambling? How young were you? So, we grew up in Brooklyn, in Brooklyn. I couldn't talk. New York. so my father was an Oakland Raider fan

and a Minnesota Viking fan so I'm talking when I was let's say six my brother was five okay this is 1996 1967 he had two teams yes he was a Raider fan and a Viking fan that's a violation and so I became a Raider fan

luckily my brother became a Viking fan Vikings lost fucking four Super Bowls they were dog shit have never one of in Super Bowl, never will. The Raiders were an unbelievable team. In the 70s, they were one of the best teams ever. And into the 80s, you know, they got a ton of Super Bowls. It was John Madden's team.

In 76, we won the first Super Bowl. And then what happened is the thing that got me into this business was the Raiders winning their second Super Bowl, but let me just answer your question. So we used to go to the bowling alley. my father we went to uh i was raised jewish and um although i married irish catholics so the only people you trust in the world are irish catholic people oh really i like that you could fucking irish catholics are the only people you actually can trust they're great they're trustworthy they're going to fucking heaven and so thank god um so i went to the bowling alley with my father when he was

in 12 and 13, and it was the Farmingdale Jewish Center's bowling league. So they gave out what they call then is these little parlay cards. We had to have a list of all the NFL games and all the college football games. And all the fathers would be circling these teams and betting and everything. I asked my father about it. And he said, the way you make money on these cards stew is you go against the grain. against the public, against public perception. You take dog shit teams getting points at home.

You take better defenses at home plus points because you have a tremendous edge. And he sat me down and he taught it to me. He said, Stu, there is no value betting the better team because the odds maker makes a line and he has to attract people to not bet the favorite. So the underdog gives you the best value. So 12 years old, 13 years old, I looked at these parlay cards. And it gave me a perspective on a very, very great knowledgeable lesson about how to gamble.

So I am always, not always, but I like to look for. I want to bet a team that can't win. Like, cannot win. Hence, New York Giants last night. 88% of the fucking public was on the Eagles. They were betting the Eagles like the game was fixed. They were betting the Eagles like, Giants have no shot.

Now, based on last week where they played the Saints, they don't have a shot. And based on the Eagles being 4-0 and losing their first game to the Broncos where they could have won that game, but they didn't, you have the Eagles awful loss, Super Bowl champs, always beat the Giants.

Sequin wanting to piss on his prior team that didn't give him the contract, the money, and the respect. And the Giants really suck. I mean, they fucking suck. And Jackson Dart really showed a lot of holes last week against the Saints. So I loved the fucking Giants. Love it.

Now, I never handicap a game, X's and O's. I never handicap a game. My offensive line is, going to block your defensive line and I'm going to run the ball or pass the ball or outscore you. That means nothing. Zero. Zero. Because if that worked, there wouldn't be any gambling because smart people would make money. Right. There's 12 year old kids that know every player, every nuance, every pass performance, every stat, and they know everything. And they could line it up and they could beat you. That's not how it works. Gambling doesn't work like that.

How, and 80% of people bet like that, and that's why they lose, okay? The way I do it, against the grain, against the public, dog shit teams, and I look for where the sharp money goes. Sharp money. Sharp money, meaning 30 minutes before the game, sharp people come in late. And that's what I follow. So. How do you track that? like on the

everybody has it now whether you're whether it's draft kings fan duel bet 365 all the Vegas casinos any of the Las Vegas insider covers scores and odds any of these people that provide scores odds lines injured weather reports

in a in a platform on the internet they give you the splits I am looking for late money coming in last minute dog shit teams, no one's betting them, no one gives them a shot, hence New York Giants last night. And that's how I make my money. That's why I am extremely valuable.

That's why I'm the best in the world because twofold. Number one, you're never going to bet the teams that I bet because they suck. No one wants a better game. Before the game starts, you feel defeated. Right. Before the game starts, you've got to smoke four joints. or, you know, take 10 quailutes because you're fucking,

you're depressed before the game starts. Because if I'm wrong, which 40% of the time I am, you're out of the game in the first quarter. You're dead. And no one wants to do that. People would rather lose betting the better team than win betting shit.

Win betting shit. Like, again, last night, Kennesaw State played Lattec. Kennesaw State. Yeah, they were plus seven and a half. And 90% of the money was against them.

90%. And they fucking won 35, 7. And I took them plus 7 and a half and I won outright. So those are the games that I make my money on. So in addition to me, why people pay me is because

I have a skill set. They're never going to pick the games I'm picking, first of all, And second of all, when I do win, I show a skill set that 99% of people don't have, which is betting a game that is an underdog or a dramatic upset. And that's how I live to make my money. Now, does it always work? Of course not. Absolutely not.

Because 40% of the time I get blown out. And when I get blown out, I get humiliated, which looks like I don't even know what I'm doing. like if I take a dog shit team and a college football certain times and I get beat 56 nothing certain people will never pay me again they're like Stu fucking I can lose my own money

you know because again what I said is people don't come to me with a clean slate so I have a week or two or three weeks or a month to lose and then eventually get hot and long term I'll make the money they're like Stu I gotta win tonight

I don't have fucking time for you to get hot I need to win right fucking now not because of you, not because of your circumstances, but because that's reality. I'm fucking stuck, Stu, I need to win. And so, in other words, very hard, my business, the hardest business in the world. You know, because winning gambling, there are 1% of 1% of 1%. And people don't actually realize it. You get murdered gambling.

You don't just lose a little, you don't break even. There's two types of gamblers. a loser and a liar and a loser because there are no winners and you can say to me, Snoot, it's got to be winners. No. There's no winners.

There's no winners. So why do you do it? Because it's the greatest form of entertainment ever. And because people who are successful and people who are great at whatever they do are so competitive that they're like, well, fuck you. I'm going to beat the fucking odds.

I'm going to beat the sports book. I'm going to beat my bookmaker. I'm going to be the one because I'm successful and everything else. People told me couldn't go into the car lot business. I have 40 car lots right now. I'm making $30,000 a day. People said the internet wasn't going to work. I'm making millions of dollars right now.

Whatever their vocation is, they've risen to the top. But that doesn't mean jack shit when talking about gambling. Gambling, everybody's equal. Everybody's equal. Whether it's Bill Gates, whether it's Elon, whether it's Trump, whether it's Julian, whether it's Dufina, equal playing field. So knowledge of the sport, knowledge of the players, knowledge of past performance means nothing,

because then they would disallow people to bet. Like any head coach could go to Vegas right now and bet a game. He has no edge. He knows jack's shit. He knows as much as any Joe Blow because the line is the equalizer. The odds makers put a lot.

line out that makes both teams equal. And I always feel that it gives the underdog the edge because you need a little, little juice, little sizz to make people bet the underdog to balance the money. Yeah. Exactly. Is that strictly how they do it? Like you have a game, let's say you finish the Sunday, Monday slates, right? So weeks over, you have a new week of the NFL games coming out. And so the initial lines come out, whatever it is, Tuesday, morning, Monday night. When they decide, side that Eagles versus Cowboys, they're going to make this line four and a half? Do they just start it somewhere where they're like, okay, that looks like it could be and then see what the action is and strictly just move it based on people bringing in money?

Correct. What they have is they open like Sunday night for the following week's worth of games. They open that line to the sharpest gamblers in the world. And they allow them to bet before they actually put a hard line. out to the public. Like, there's a line-out Sunday night for the following week, but people who bet, let's say,

a million dollars a game, $2 million a game, $5 million a game in a syndicate where you have thousands of gamblers put in money similar to like, you know, whatever they bet in a group.

Right, right. The Shaw people, the odds maker, allows these people to bet and then they adjust off of them because they have, they respect their opinion, they respect them,

and then they actually, manipulate the line based on what you just said exactly right that's how it works so it's essentially they get like an average idea and then the rest of the week is dictated by how much money's flowing in one way or the other correct but the smart money that comes in late yes like you mentioned you won a game last night that was fucking kennisaw state and i can't even say what the who was the other team uh la tech okay so kennesaw state and la tech like there's a million games across college football in the NFL alone every weekend and I'm sure there's a lot of situations where you see dog shit team last half hour smart money's coming in how do you choose which ones that you're

actually going to gamble on though that's my skill set that's why people pay me because I have because I am a one trick pony for 45 fucking years it's the only thing I ever did I sold marijuana in high school. I sold concert tickets in high school. And then I went to college to become a psychiatrist because I'm a fucking Jew and my mother's like,

oh, you gotta be a doctor or a lawyer or a fucking something. I'm like, you know, mom, I don't have the skill set for this. I'm half a fucking re-I'd be honest. Like, I just want to eat ass, lick, clit, and fuck. And I want to have a good time.

Like, I want to live like I'm going to die tomorrow. I've gone to thousands of concerts in my life and basically I like to party I like to go to concerts I like to have sex even at 64 years old if I fucked your girl she would know what she's been missing that's basically what I do do it and so in other words you have to really zone in on my experience hey guys if you haven't already please hit that subscribe button it's a huge help thanks and enjoy the rest of the show so that's why why I am worth paying.

People say tout's a scam. Stu, you're a scam. Stu, bet your own money while you bet in other people's money. Why don't you just bet games and stuff? This is what I do. This is my vocation. Oh, wait. Is that what you're doing a lot of?

Like, people give you money and they? No. Okay. They pay me for my picks. That's it. Actually, I don't care who they bet with. I don't refer them to bet with anybody. I was going to say, that's a slippery slope. No, no.

And people do it. There's 99% of people in my business are whores, and scans should be dead, should be shot. They give out both sides of the game, so they guaranteed some money. They lie, cheat, steal to the client. They make up just prefabrications, just total utter bullshit.

Then they also bookmake you. They say, can you bet 10,000 a game? No, my bookmaker only lets me bet a thousand. Hey, I got this guy. I'll give you his number. Meanwhile, it's the phone next to this guy changes his voice. And he goes, hey, how are you doing?

What the fuck you need? Call me back in 20. Hey, I'm fucking busy. Call me back in 30 minutes. Click. Then you call back in 30 minutes. Hey, fucking I'm busy. Call me tomorrow.

Click. And then now they set you up. They're like, yeah, you got a $10,000 credit line. You lose your money. If you won, you were never getting paid. If you lose, you're going to pay. Yeah. So in other words, so what I'm very clean in what I do.

I'm very, from day one. day one, you know, I could have probably robbed people for hundreds of millions of dollars because I had a lot of billionaire customers, especially in the 80s and 90s, that would trust me with their life. They would be like, you know, Stu, here's the money. Here's the money. Go bet it for me. You know what I'm saying? So in other words, and that's what people do. So you've got to be very, very careful. I wouldn't trust anyone in my industry. Zero besides me, you know, because I am. My cousin, aunt the book, he's pretty good. He's a good guy. Oh, good. Okay. Fair enough. But because I'm fully transparent. And then obviously with Barstool, I, you know, I can't make no mistakes. There's, you know, this, I can say anything and do anything. Cannot do that. Right. Cannot ever maneuver like that. And I wouldn't do it anyway because I have a conscience. You know what I'm saying? Like, I'm a good loving person. I'm a child of a guard. If I murder you and I lose 30 games in a row, that's how it fucking is. It can happen. It absolutely has happened.

you can never guarantee anything's going to win. Now, I believe that the game's going to win right when it goes. Everything's in my favor, and I have a tremendous edge with my system and evaluating it because I got 45 years doing this, not four weeks, not four months, not four years, 45 fucking years. So in other words, but nothing's ever guaranteed. And the more you need a game as a gambler,

the more you put yourself in a bad spot, you have to have it never happening well that's the other thing too stew it's like to an extent everything in life whether you open a business a business needs people to buy the product even if you do the best jobs sometimes things out of your control they won't buy it but with gambling especially it's completely out of your control you're betting on something that you know you're not on the team you're not going in the game you're not controlling the actual outcome you're betting just based on information you have. I would argue there's some similarities with like the stock market, to be clear,

but there's more things in the stock market that I think you have somewhat control over, meaning like you can pour through financials and cash flows and stuff that maybe you can't do in gambling. But like, did you ever wonder like, damn, maybe some of this is like beyond it because it's not in my control, I could do something else where like I'm thinking when you're a teenager and stuff and getting into this. Like I could do something else where I have things that are more in my control. Like I know maybe I'm a great fucking salesman,

so maybe I can sell cars because I can control like being able to close a deal more than I can control fucking Eric Dickerson running for 100 yards or not. You know what I mean? You ever have that thought? Well, like before I got into the business in like 11th grade, had a couple of quick jobs. I sold unsold airtime for radio stations in 1977. And I was like amazing at it.

I also worked for a company. that sold all-purpose cleaners, maintenance chemicals, odor granules to farmers throughout the country. Great at that. But it didn't give me the buzz of gambling. Now, let me tell you a while. So getting back to the Parlay Cots. Yeah, 2012-13. I got very good at picking three winners in a week, which paid like six to one.

And I gave those picks through my... my father's advice and experience to his friends. And we'd got a bowling and everybody was on my dick. They're like, dude, who do you like? Who do you like? Who do you like? And I had a good opinion. I had a better opinion than them. I had a bet. And my father never bet. Really? Never even. Yes. Never bet the parley cards even. Never bet.

But if he was watching a radio game or watching a Viking game and that game lost, he would trash the house. He would beat my mother. He would beat me and my brother, physically, physically. So in addition to his knowledge and experience of sports, his passion for sports, I watched a game a little bit differently than you would because I'm getting my fucking head handed to me if this team lost. He was a ragerholic. He was a psycho fuck. Love my father. May he rest in peace. He's dead a couple of years now. Greatest guy ever. But a complete fucking psychopath. Like a completely. complete ragerholic.

So you had a great relationship with him despite that. 100%. 100%. I overlooked a lot. You overlooked a lot. Him being physical with me and my brother. Him being physical with my mother. What made you overlooked that?

I summed him up really quickly. Nothing ever went right for him. Like he worked for a company called Letterama. And they used to make letters and signs for business. And his two biggest accounts in the 70s was HBO and Madison Square Garden. So in my house, we'd have like thousands of letters all over the place. And I watched him go to work. And I went with him to work, and I helped him.

And I was really poor at doing what he needed me to do. We just put the letters in and line them up correctly and make them straight. I was bad at it. Like, I really was bad. But I just watched how he worked, and nothing went good for him. he would always have these delusions and dreams that this was going to happen it never did my father had the biggest set of balls in the world biggest was not afraid of anyone um but for some reason he could only do tasks 75 percent he could bring it and then the other 25 percent never got done

like so he could fix anything but in my house the toilet never worked the window was always open The refrigerator was always on an angle, you know, just like crazy shit that simple people would have been able to finish or get someone to help you. He's like, no. So three quarters of a shit in my house never worked. And him and my mother fought about money always. And it affected me emotionally, spiritually, mentally, affected my brother, affected the relationship with my mother and father. And I had the perception that if I can make money, I could give them money and they wouldn't fight. And also, that was the key to life, making money.

So what happened was in 1980, I'm going to college with my wife. I married my childhood sweetheart. I took it to the prom in 11th grade. We were both virgins. She wouldn't fuck me that night. What a fucking horror show. I thought I was in, it was, this was fuck.

She was a 10. I was a 6. She didn't know it. She's never getting rid of me. You were a sex. But she had a fucking, dropped, great eyes, beautiful hair, picture perfect, almost a Farrah Fawcett face, and a fucking ass and a fucking box that you would just come looking at her, right?

So I'm thinking this girl's had to get fucked before. So the reason I took it to the problem, I'm like, I'm getting laid. P.S. She's a virgin, I'm a virgin. I have to wait four months, July 4th, 1970. Longest four months of your life. Oh my God, July 4th, 1978. She bled on my friend's bed at a 4th of July party.

Never forget it. It was fucking great. You know, it lasts like 10 seconds. right. You know, blood on the fucking thing. So anyway, so we're going to college at NASA Community College. And the Oakland Raiders are playing the Philadelphia Eagles. In the Super Bowl? Correct. Damn it. And it was Ron Jaworski as the quarterback. Dick Vermeal as the head coach. And they were the darlings of the NFL. And in this specific game, they were a four and a half point favorite. And the Oakland Raiders won their first Super Bowl in 1916.

76. They couldn't beat the Pittsburgh Steelers. They should have won like three Super Bowl's earlier, but 75, they lost on a fluke play. 76, they won. Was that the immaculate reception? Correct. Correct. When it popped off Franco Harris, you know, Joe Jackets and shoulder of head, Franco Harris took it, went for the touchdown. So, 1980, me and my father are watching TV. It's the Friday before the Sunday Super Bowl. And this guy comes on TV. His name is Ed Horowitz. And he, created a he was an accountant by trade and he created a short form tax form that he made a million dollars where you do your taxes there was a form you filled out and it eliminated like 90 percent of the hoopla made made made a million dollars he took the money and at least this was his story that we were watching on tv channel four never seen a handicap before never heard of this he took his money and he put it into computers and he created a system that allowed him to pick winners

Then he went on this eight-minute diatribe about the Philadelphia Eagles we're going to murder the Oakland Raiders. Me and my father looking at it, like, that's not going to happen, but you're watching a guy on TV. He's an expert. We're sitting in fucking Dan eating cheese doodles,

so got to respect them. Fucking Raiders murder them. As we thought, the second that game went final, I turned to my father, I said, dad, I'm not going to be a psychiatrist. I'm going into this. this fucking business. If this jerk off can be an expert and so clueless and so long on what

me and my father said, the most simple game in the history of life, I'm going into this business. Anybody can do this business. This is the easiest fucking business in the world. And that's how I started. And again, I started with the underdogs. And then in the 80s, I, I, my percentage in the 80s was unbelievable because you didn't have, first of all, you had no internet, you had no phones, you had no real way to know a lot. So the underdog, the home underdogs was just stealing money. Right. It was stealing money. You know, and there was a lot of people, when you're successful, you get behind your team. And a lot of people got behind the better teams, the best teams, who were always the

favorites so it always gave me such an edge so i did phenomenal picking in the 80s i one thing i always think about and i've never gone through and like tried to reverse deductive reason this and see if mathematically it works out but if you had a system where you are only allowed to bet on in the NFL slate every week just NFL 16 games 14 games because there's two by two buys whatever it is you are only allowed to bet on the home dog and you can only bet an equal amount on each of those games whether it's two games or 10 games where that's the case if you did that for a full season every year

wouldn't you probably win like you'd make a spread there meaning maybe you win 65% of the time no no no it's not that simple well it was in the 80s up until about 93 what happened in 93 Offshore sports books happened where you were illegally, betting offshore where like there was a sports book that you would have to wire money out of the country,

whether it's Panama, Curacao, Costa Rica. Then what happened is the world now could bet at the sports book. And they became very sharp with the line. very, very sharp because when I grew up and I, oh, I'm sorry, when I grew up and I was in the business. Keep it pointing out. Yes, yes. When I grew up and I was in the business, you, everybody was betting illegally with local bookmakers unless you went to Nevada to bet because the only place it was legal up until like the early 90s with these offshore sports books that were illegal

anyway. You were never allowed to legally do it, but everyone did it anyway, similar to how they we're betting illegally, their local bookmaker, the mafia bookmaker, you would have to go to Vegas and no one went to Vegas. And none of my customers were in Vegas. They were just locals. But you would talk like they were. Correct. Yeah, you'd make the assumption. It's not your fault. Exactly. Exactly. So it became very, very hard to win after that. A hundred times harder. So you had to really grind and there was not any room for mistakes. Mistakes gambling, is this. You bet different amounts of money on different games. So let's say you're betting 500 a game, 500 a game, 500 a game. You're on a roll. You're up 5,000. Then all of a sudden you bet 5,000

on one game. Yep. And you lose it. You could be nine wins, one loss, and you're losing. So that's the death of a gambler. That's as long as you're betting equal amounts, equal increments, you're okay. You're never going to murder yourself. You start murdering yourself when you take a shot. Whether you've grinded out and you've got all this money, now you take a shot, it always loses. It always loses like almost 95% at a time. So the key to staying alive gambling, obviously, is to bet little amount of money. And if you're going to bet, you have to bet equal amounts on every game and just enjoy the ride, enjoy the fun,

enjoy the experience. Now, if you're a trust fund kid or you have fuck you money, you got Dave Portnoy money, you got big cat money, you got KFC money, you know, you got Ryan Whitney money,

business nasty money. Then it doesn't matter because, you know, you can't hurt those people. You really can't because, you know, they're making hundreds of millions of dollars. Fine.

They lose a million. million, two million, five million, ten million. It's not good. Fucking sucks. You know, it's like you just had your girlfriend get fucked up her ass on YouTube by your worst enemies, but financially you're okay.

You know what I'm saying? But most people, that's not their case. Most, you know, just because you could, like when I was a kid in the 80s and 90s, in the 80s, 70s, you had two millionaires. You had like Jay Paul Getty and you had Howard Hughes. That was it. Now everybody in the mother's a millionaire.

And you're watching them on the internet. So you think you know them. You think you know what they do. Like the internet is a force. It is a scam. It is TV. Nothing is real. Nothing is real.

So that's why people say when you're depressed, you stay off the internet. Because it seems like, wow, everyone's got the world by the balls. Everyone's happy. Everyone's going places, doing things. Wow, wow, wow, wow, wow. and they think they know the person. You have no fucking idea what's going on. You just don't know.

Years ago, you did. Years ago, you know, everybody in the mother's a millionaire now. You can make money immediately because the world is your oyster on the internet. You have a good idea. It works. You implement it. And overnight, you know, you're a millionaire. So a lot of people live in a Pollyanna dreamlike world.

And that's why I think the country is so fucked right now. You think it's fucked? 100%. 100. Oh, my God. Oh, God. The 20-year-olds from 20 to 30 right now are fucking lost. Are so lost, so soft, so unmotivated.

Don't even want to make money. Why do you think that is? I think we've been sold a bill of goods that the United States is the greatest country that ever lived and was so much better than everyone else. and that we're special and we're entitled and we're better where we're not. We've been sold that story since day one. And a lot of what the country has done, the negatives don't, people don't know here. They only know outside the country.

Like everybody, you know, like these other countries say, well, the United States is not perfect. They're not God. They didn't invent everything. But that's what we're sold. So I think as a child, your security about your experiences, your life, your intelligence, how your life is going to end up is, hey, as long as I do the right thing in this country, I'm going to roll. That's not how it is no more.

No. Not how it is no more. Because other people from other countries have come here and said, you have no idea what it is to work seven days a week, 24 hours a day. You have no idea what it is to starve. You have no idea how shit these other countries. country's awesome. When we come in here, we're going to outwork you, we're going to outthink you, and we're going to fucking own everything. We're going to take it over. So I think that it's a really

rough spot for people in this country right now. And for some reason, the entitlement is gross. Yes. I was waiting for you to say that. It's gross. Yeah. Get a fucking job. Get out of your fucking parents' house. You know, I was out of my parents' house at 18. Because first of I didn't want my parents to know what I did. You know, I don't want you to know what I do. I'm, you're my parents. Like, parents are now friends with their family, friends with their children, best friends. They can't crack the whip.

Right. You know, you can't be a best friend to someone and then all of a sudden try to discipline that person because there's no edge, there's different. So I feel bad for the people in this country right now. I feel bad for the kids because it just seems like, and then they go to the, colleges and then you get some wacko professors teaching teaching stuff that's illegal you know what I'm saying like like it's you should never be able to teach that where what the f are you out of your

fucking mind so um I worry about like like to have children right now you could have a lot of balls because you gotta have a lot of money too yeah well a ton of expensive correct a ton of money I bought my first house when I was 23 I paid 165,000 same house now is 1.3 million oh you still live in the same one sick no no I still but it's like two seconds away oh I got so I went to I went to another house right but uh in 1990 um but it's very hard right now yes it is it's very and and people like in other words they don't have the tough love and they don't have the emotional muscle yeah see you know it's failure after failure after failure don't lose your enthusiasm but i feel bad because kids are not built like right now

they're like failure after failure and i'm a fucking basket case yeah i'm afraid i'm not going to maneuver no more i'm going to get a set job and grind out and have a shit life and my expectations have been crushed and people are depressed and people are scared so in other words very hard to to be a child in this form right now. When I was a kid, we were about a balls. You know, like, nothing was ever going to happen. You didn't have these distractions, though, too. Correct.

You know what I mean? Like, it was go out and fucking touch grass, sniff the air, figure out where the wind's blowing, what you want to do, get after it. Like, you're sitting there watching the Super Bowl with your dad. Like, you know what? That guy's a jerk off. I'm going to be a handicapper.

You go out, you build the business. You make a lot of phone calls. You work out of a fucking boiler room. You know what I mean? You start something. And nowadays, people are like, well, you know. And it's a disease, though. It is.

It's a disease. You know, I mean, I see people on it, 724. Like, even when my friends come over or my friends, my kids come over, the kids still live at the house. I got all these kids. My kids still live at my house. They're never present. They're literally never present. Like, I have to say, did you see what happened?

No, because they're like this. You know what I'm saying? Like a bomb could have blown up and they're like this. So in other words, and that's the world we live in right now. So you really have to have emotional muscle. You have to be able to build emotional muscle

so that failure after failure, you don't lose your enthusiasm. My generation was bred on that. My generation is you're guaranteed shit. I'm giving you shit. Go fucking make your own way. And you learned, by design that that's how it is yes but that's a great great uh thing to be able to do now it just

seems it's a lost art you know people just don't have the gumption it just keep working hard and they're stuck then they look at the fucking phone and everyone has the world by the balls everybody's traveling the world everybody has money everybody's happy why am i not happy because this is an illusion it's a scam and you just got to work hard and The key is also that in this country, obviously still, you could do anything you want, any time you want, as much as you want. Greatest country in the world times a thousand, not even close. But you have to have that mindset that it's going to be rough.

You're going to have to work your dick off for years on end, not days. People just want immediate satisfaction, immediate gratification. It's not how it works almost. It's not how it works. And the competition is a thousandfold tougher than it used to be. But that also is how you get all your information. It's instant gratification. So they assume it's going to translate to life and it doesn't.

And I love the point you make about kind of that idea that people are constantly seeing what's great, these idealized figures and stuff like that. In a lot of ways, we've been sold that lie because we assume that that's what people gravitate towards. People gravitate towards things that look godly to them or want. whatever but my friend charlie rocket who i just recorded with came up with this amazing theory seven years ago they're really like i i would say it changed my life but that's the wrong way to put it it it cemented how i kind of felt about things and went oh my god that's true about everything even though we're living in the social media world and he called it the i am you theory you ever

hear this before no so i've said this a bunch on the podcast before sorry for people that this is repeated to, but he was sitting around one day and he wanted to know who the highest grossing superhero was of all time, like movies, comics, everything all in. He said, all right, let's Google it. And to his surprise, it was actually Spider-Man. He was thinking it was going to be Batman or Superman, chisel chin, good-looking, all the girls wanted to fuck him. No, Spider-Man. He was the guy that didn't have the chisel chin. He had a weird talent, right? He grew up in a lower middle-class or lower-class household. His parents were dead, and then, you know, he had the tragedy of his uncle dying and he wanted the girl but he couldn't get the girl all these things and he's like holy

shit like that that guy's kind of relatable so he's like all right what's the biggest religion in the world by following Christianity okay Christianity has X billion followers who's the leader of their religion he's like Jesus Christ carpenter hung out with poor people in a time where if you rode around on a white horse with golden armor you would have had everyone following you he wore basic robes you know was someone who spoke to everyone and he was like wow relatable so he's like all right what about corporations it's the most famous corporation of all time apple it's like who founded apple steve jobs first corporate guy to lose the suit he wore a beard he had flaws he was open about him he looked like your dad everyone in tech's naming their product and spy ron 6500 or windows x45

million. He was naming his products, Lisa, iPhone, iPod. He was naming the products after you. And then he thought about sports. He's like, not Kobe's fault, not LeBron's fault. They're amazing, but Kobe's the Mamba. He's not like you. LeBron's the king. He's born a genetic specimen. Michael Jordan was the dude who was cut from his high school basketball team. Scronny kid had to make his way. Even won a national title at UNC got drafted behind Sam Bowie. Took him seven years to get to to the top in the NBA, quits when his dad dies. He has a personal tragedy on a grand scale, embarrass himself on TV, playing baseball. He's like, holy shit, this guy is relatable.

So all these kids now have grown up with these phones and the social media to say, like, oh, my God, look how good they have it. Oh, this travel influencer, they're making so much money. Their life is all beautiful and blue and the skies look incredible. And oh, my God, I'll never, I'll never be that because all these people are telling them that I'm different than you. I'm above you and that's what gets the likes and the follows. But in reality, when you look out through the history of humanity, people follow the things

that they see most of themselves in. And we've just flipped that paradigm on social media when the answer is still there right in front of us. And I wonder if more people would recognize something like that and see that it's like, you know what, you're going to have your struggles. Not everything's going to be sunshine and rainbows. You're going to fail once in a while. And it's perfectly fine to do that.

If that became more acceptable in society, I wonder if these. 20 to 30 year olds you're talking about would have a little bit less of a glib outlook on things and be willing to fucking go after it like they did in your day and like you did to make your own business yeah i agree i think so absolutely now i just want to use let's say day portnoy as an example people think now obviously day portnoy has it all has the money has the power has the fame has the fortune from 2003 to 2014 he worked seven days a week, 24 hours a day before he made a dollar, before he made a dollar, 11 years, right, 11 years without making any money.

And then when he made his money, he's the hardest working person at his company. He works around the clock. That guy doesn't need to work the rest of his life. He could be retired, traveling the world, but he works harder than any. any one. And his life is an open book every single day. And you see his flaws, you see his failures, you see his successes. And, you know, like he's my idol. He's the best of the best, you know. And he would be someone that people can look up to. Now, he's so successful now that people can't touch him no more. So they're like, ah, Dave, everything, you know, you got this person

working for you and this person, and these people under him making him money. But that's not actually the case. He's the hardest working person. person at his company always will be never satisfied, doesn't stop, round the clock traveling here, there, this, that just took on an amazing undertaking of Fox Sports. Now he has the show from 8 to 10 a.m. and it's repeated from 10 to 12. He didn't need to do that. Now he's on Fox Sports 1 on Saturday, college game day. He didn't need to do that. He is pulled in so many different directions but all he does is work and he and he leads by example when you work for his company he doesn't tell you what to do he's like look i have the platform here's your basic salary i'm not

paying you like you're a millionaire i'm paying you gut level bottom dollar go fucking work work i got the platform you should be able to make this platform work for my company and yourself and build it up. So working for Bristol and watching how Dave Portnoy performs and executes and treats people and really his whole mantra and motto

he doesn't sit on laurels he could have sat on laurels for a decade now all he does is work fucking harder and harder every day. He's a great example of the American dream an American hero and really who to follow. You know, who to follow. Man of the people too by

100%. And gives multi-tens of millions of dollars, you know, tunnels for towers and just saves people's lives. And then the most unique, inexpensive, unbelievable idea, his pizza reviews. How much did that cost walking into a pizzeria, getting a pizza, having Frankie film it on his phone, and now he writes like $20 million a year in advertising off of that. And it cost nothing. It was his unique idea of what he loved and he was able to generate it through the world. So in other words, he's a great example of if you want to follow someone to see what they do and how they do it and how they did it and how he did it. Because anyone could have

thought of that idea. Yeah. You didn't have to be Steve Jobs. You didn't have to get a 1600 in your SATs. You could be a half an idiot like Stu Fine, a 550 man, 3-9 English, you know, dumbest Jew that ever lived. You know what I'm saying? They were like, are you really? Jewish? Yeah, I'm like, I have a fucking idiot. What am I going to do? But in other words, he has amazing ideas, creative ideas, unique ideas, and he's got the biggest set of balls where he's willing to foul in front of the world for all the world to see. And he just works harder and harder and harder. So in other words, he would be a, he's a great example. I agree.

I'm similar to what you were talking about. Somebody that started from nothing was given nothing. and self-made. I agree. You know, self-made. Real quick, too. I just got to go to the bathroom, but I want to stay on this. Sure.

You brought up so many great points. We'll be right back. Sure. One of the points you were saying in there that I loved was the whole parents are like buddies with their kids now, their friends, right? Like, it kind of went somewhere along the way, I don't know when. It like flipped from son to buddy in the way that the communication went. And it's not to say like, you know, parents should be a dick to their kids or like,

act like they're above them all the time but you know you guys when when you're a parent i'm not parent yet but like you're an age that i've never been and you've been my age in the past right so there's just wisdom you kind of have but i think a lot of what you're talking about generationally also comes from not to paint it across the board but a lot of parenting problems to where people didn't push their kids or encourage them to have to go out and make their own way on some things fair to say Fair to say. Yes. I think 9-11 changed everything. Interesting. Why? I think people, first of all, were very scared for the first time, including myself, that, wow, I could die in a hot second.

Like, I was, I lived under the Pollyanna umbrella like, hey, where in the United States? Nobody's fucking with us like that. I mean, you watched it on TV in other third world countries or other countries, other parts of the world, that chaos. But 9-11 brought it fucking home to the world that everybody's vulnerable. Everybody could be taken out in a hot fucking second. Nobody is really, you know, nobody's safe. Nobody is ever safe. Now, in the United States, they sold us this bill of goods.

We're safe forever. We're better. We're bigger, we're stronger, we're smarter, we're faster. Not actually true. So 9-11, for me at least, I had to take a step back. And I had to say to myself, do I want to live under the gun of working so hard under the gun to perform where I have to perform? Or do I want to just enjoy what I have and enjoy the day much more because that could happen to me? Wasn't this during your tough period, too, that seven-year period where you were really going through it?

100%. From 1999 to 2007. Yeah. Yes. Absolutely. Absolutely. And so I think 9-11 really pulled everything back. And then I watched, including.

to myself, me not crack the whip where, get the fuck out of my house to my kids, get an apartment, you're not fucking living here. You know, I got a multimillion dollar house. I got the most beautiful fucking house you ever saw in your life. If I was my kid, I would never leave and they might not leave because my wife ain't throwing them out. But I'd be honest with you, before then, I taught my kids, hey, by 18, you're fucking out of here. I don't give a fuck if you die in the street. You're fucking out of here, buddy. You got to make your own way. You know, You're not sucking my dick your whole life for money, for security, for the things that you have to learn as a human being to survive on your own.

Sure, I'm not going to fuck you, not going to leave you, not going to hang up the phone on you. But by the same token, if I did, you should be able to stand on your own without me. After 9-11, I got softer. After 9-11, I let things slide. Before that, I would never let slide. Never. Never.

Now all of a sudden, where my wife would want a mother and nature of the children, because, you know, the children are always right in the mother's eyes, right? I would, I would, you know, berate her. Listen, hey, you're fucking killing your kids. You know, that's fucking bullshit what you just fucking did. Don't interject when I'm talking to the kids to discipline them, and you come over me because you're afraid how they fucking. feel. After 9-11, I let it slide. I never had the conversation with my wife. Before then,

we fought like cats and dogs. I'm like, you're fucking, we're building men here because I have four sons. You know, if I had daughters, I'd be building women. But in other words, they got to be independent. And after 9-11, I took a deep breath back. And I said, fuck, you know, is it that important? How old were your kids at the time? 11, 9, 6, 2. Okay. So they're all informative years, big time. I mean, really, from zero to five is how you build it.

Yeah. Be honest with you. Why do you say zero to five? Because you, because in other words, it's so easy to not build emotional muscle. it's so easy to let them run amok. It's so easy to just build bad habits. Yes.

Very bad habits. And as I know, as myself, I'm a compulsive overeater, a gambler, a drug addict, abusive language, sexual behavior, compulsive spending, selfishness. So I'm so addicted in so many areas. And, you know, it's almost like the seven deadly sins. I'm not unique. But I struggle with those every single fucking deal. day. There's not one day that goes by that a little bit of that is in me and I can make a bad move. I could ruin my life. I could maneuver. I could commit adultery. I could do drugs. I

could have unwanted sex with fucking randos, whatever the fuck it is. I could gamble my life in an area. It doesn't have to be even gambling. It could just be, it doesn't have to be gambling on sports per se or gambling casinos. could be gamble, a decision. Trust, trusting people is the most important downfall in people's life. If you're not taught to have emotional muscle and take full responsibility to any situation, hey, Julian, you're fucking successful. You got money. I'm going to trust you with A, B, C, D, EFG. And they fully trust.

It doesn't work out. I trusted you. Shouldn't have a trusted you. I respect you. I understand what you're saying. But there's a line. There's no boundaries no more. So, in other words,

for me, once 9-11 happened, I pulled back. I pulled back. Probably I went too far the other way. I'm like, hey, I'm just happy. I have, well, I'm sorry. I'm just happy, I'm just happy I have kids.

I'm just happy I'm alive. I'm happy I'm able to eat, you know, bacon, egg and cheese, two eggs scrambled on a bagel, hash browns, home fries, then lunch, have twin cheese of bacon, large, five menel milkshake, then fucking roll five blondes, then dinner I'm having flaming yon lobster tails of my kids and just hanging out. I'm not teaching them jack shit.

I'm teaching them to have fun. That's not what the father's supposed to do. that's not what parents are supposed to do parents are supposed to i believe really build emotional muscle to have children independent to feel confidence with them confidence within themselves that they could trust themselves that they don't have to open their lives up to everyone you don't have to trust everybody yeah you're going to tell everybody take care of yourself you have to be able to have boundaries after 9-11 i pull back a little bit, and I'm like, I don't know. I just don't know, because I was really shaken

by that because I was on my way. I owned a business in Atlanta, Georgia on Roswell Road, and I owned 200 scorephones in 200 different cities. 200 scorephones? Yes. And we gave a scorephone in the 80s and the 90s gave scores, odds, lines, injury, weather reports on a six-minute recorded message. Was it you on the recorded message? No, I had, I had, I had, uh, scorephone announcers work for me. Were they in India? No, okay.

They were in Atlanta, Georgia. No, no, no, no, I had to place it. And I bought the business. All for 80 years. Out for the game. In 1989 to 1993, I spent 1.6 million a year giving it to someone to advertise me. And I would take the first minute of the ad, first minute of the scorephone, and then the rest was content.

It was advertising then content. In 1994, the person who owned the business lost $6 million gambling and had to sell the business overnight. So I was competing against this guy, Jim Feist in Las Vegas, Nevada, one of the biggest in the world like me,

AT&T to buy his business and me, I bought the business, $4.8 million. In 93. In 1994, 4.8 million. So, So, I'm flying in 2001, 9-11 that day on going to LaGuardia airport, smoking a fucking blunt, ready to go there.

And I'm listening on the radio and they're talking about plane hit, second plane hit, fucking smoke everywhere. And I'm like, this has got to be fake. This is like war of the worlds. I'm thinking they're running like some sort of scam on the radio. But then it's on every channel. I get to the fucking airport, there's no one at the airport. There's nobody. I get her on the phone.

I call my wife. She goes, yeah, you better get home. We're at war. So I came home. But in Georgia, I owned a scorephone operation. So again, and I want to bring that up a little bit. I paid $4.8 million for that business. That business was worth $10 million.

In 94. I made my last payment. on the business in 1998, two weeks later, CBS Sportsline opened their website on the internet that did exactly what I did, but on the internet put me out of business. I went from 48 million calls to 400,000 calls in six months. Because why would you listen to a six-minute recorded message? When you got to click away? What inundated with ads when you could just do it. My point is also that nothing is ever guaranteed. My whole

life, I said, this is my baby. I was making a million a year off of it, and I don't have to work anymore. P.S. Internet came, put it out of business. I became antiquated overnight. I became a one, you know, one trick pony. Now I'm fucking no pony.

I got dicks up my ass, fucking people fist fucking me, you know, and I don't want it. So in other words, again, there, nothing is guaranteed. are no guarantees. People work much more efficiently in their heads, much more secure, believing the dream. Guaranteed. Everything is going to work out. Everything is going to be good. I don't got to put in the work. I don't have to grind. I don't have to worry because everything is going to

be okay. That's not true. No. That is so not true. Anything can be taken away in a moment. And again, back to 9-11. That really was my eye-opener because I never thought that up until 9-11. Yeah. Even on the Bulls, myist, never thought that. I'd be like, oh, I'll get help from this one, this one, this one, this one, this one. And the world changed overnight. Yeah. The United States changed overnight. And it's never to come back. But it's interesting that you tie that down to like the sociological perspective and how it affected people in their homes unknowingly. It's like you don't think about how you parent related to like a terrorist attack. But when you go through it and you start to realize the existential thoughts that that kind of thing caused, how it changes your wiring on what's possible or impossible for that matter, you know, it might affect, you know, you actually, ah, maybe I don't need to get mad about this.

Ah, maybe I don't need to raise that point about that. And that creates a trickle down. But like when you were growing up, you talked about your father a little bit. What was your mom like as a parent? Your dad was really tough and there was some abuse there. like total opposite people please that for example my father would like crack us and we'd have bruises on our face or bruises on our arms and my mother who's the saint of the earth the salt of the earth the nicest person possible said to my father howie don't hit him in the face or the arms

hit them in the stomach so they so when they wear a shirt no one would see kind of fine now when i didn't even realize how crazy that was until I went into therapy. You know, and I saw a psychiatrist and I saw a therapist, and they would be like, do you realize that's why you're a fucking psychopath? That's why you're trying to trash your life

with drugs and sex and gambling and compulsive spending and eating, you know, because, you know, you feel less than. You feel like when your parents, when your parents make you feel insecure or you live in an insecure your home, you grew up insecure and you breed insecurity. So you're never a whole individual.

You don't grow. Like, you cannot run away from pain. Pain is a great equalizer. Pain teaches you, you have limitations. Pain teaches you, don't do that. It's going to hurt. Don't touch the flame. You're going to get fucking burnt.

If you grow up in a house, hold that the parents are not healthy. And my father's father died when he was 13. He didn't get along with his brothers and sisters. He had to move out of his house when he was young. Why is he so fucked? That's pretty much it. Okay. My mother, on the other hand, just wanted everything okay. They believe it's okay. You know, put the, put the perception. Everything's fine. Everything's okay. No problems. That's why my father would, my mother, my mother would be hysterical crying. My father would be physical with her, grabbing her, scratching her. It would be a hole to do.

Doorbell would ring. All of a sudden, my mother's fucking face would go smiley, tears away, open the door. How are you doing? Whoa. So I was taught a lot of different things. You saw that at a really young age. I was taught to be a phony. Yeah, to stuff the feelings.

Yeah. Stuff them down. Again, very bad. You know, just a horrific way to live. because you never actually tell someone how you feel about them because you're afraid of rejection, you're afraid of it not working out, and you feel a little less than. So you'd rather accommodate whether it's work, whether it's a relationship, whether it's anything. And, you know, you grow up really, you know, like an adult child.

I've been an adult child my whole life. I had to go through intense therapy forever. You know, I still see a therapist now to share gut level, to share feelings, to not be judged, especially now where I'm in like such a big spot where people walk around, oh, you got the one by the balls, you know, like can't really share a lot with a lot because, you know, 99% of these people on the internet are just trolls and they want to shred you and they, you know, they're jealous and they would love to get something on you to bring you down. So I think that the 9-11 for me was such a really like an eye-opening experience.

And then my mother, you know, what you asked about, she was like people-pleasing. She's like, make believe everything is okay. But she had a big heart so that she taught me to help others before you helped yourself. You help. You help. You give. don't worry about what you got you give her father was like that my my mother and my grandmother and grandfather on my mother's side were amazing my uh mother and father on my father's side my grandmother

and grandfather well i never met my grandfather because he died when my father was young uh they remarried and his mother was tough my grandmother was tough and the stepfather was tough too great guy but tough is good you're supposed to be tough you don't you don't need to huggy kissy everyone you don't need to be everybody's best fucking friend and i lacked in life the ability when i was young into my 20s and 30s even my 40s of people it bothered me when people didn't like me most people are not going to like you you where where is it said that people are supposed to like you that's not how that's not reality reality is most people are not going to like you. You're not going to get along with a lot of people. People are

going to, you know, have different ideas. You're going to be head-budding people. That's good. How do you handle that situation? How do you deal with it? Where's where are you going to grow as a human off of that? My mother was always giving. My father was always, my father, like, my father always taught me a very skewed idea of religion. We moved from Brooklyn to Long Island, New York. The first day we bought a first house, we used to live in an apartment building,

2662 West 2nd Street, six-story apartment buildings, Beach Haven apartments on Ocean Avenue, Avenue X in Brooklyn. They were owned by Fred Trump, Donald Trump's father. And my father was always laid on the rent. Always had problems with money.

Fred would come and take the rent. Give my father leeway. Okay. We move to Long Island, freestanding house. 60 by 100. Fucking amazing. Day one, we're there.

Father goes to work. Me, my mother, and my brother go to Dairy Barn to get milk and iced tea. It's a freestanding place where you'd buy milk, iced teas, and just quick things. Come back. The word... is written in crab apples on my driveway.

Whoa. My mother immediately, like, starts crying. I go, what does that even mean? I don't know the word. She's like, don't worry about it. We go to the front door, and there's an umbrella hanging like it's hooked into the gutter, and she can't open the door.

She opens the door, and crab apples and rocks fall down and break the milk and the iced tea. Now, me and my brother are scared. Shit, we're like, looking around. All these kids are in the bushes on the house across the street hiding. They thought it was hysterical. Father comes home. My father says, Stu, they hate you because you're a Jew.

Jews are better than people. Jews are the chosen people by God. And that's why people hate you. I mean, obviously, that's not fucking true. We're not chosen. We're not better than anyone else. And from Brooklyn where there is all Jews, 99% Jews. Long Island, there's no fucking Jews.

You know, they're calling me a c- which is a word for a dirty Jew. Christ killer, Hebe, you know, never felt that before. So it was very, very, very emotional. How old were you? Fourth grade. Okay.

Fourth grade. And so I became my people-pleaser because I had no friends. I was a Jew. They didn't like me. I was short and fat. I was not a great athlete. I had to teach myself to be a great athlete, just to have friends. So I had to become funny.

I was able to talk, and I was glib. And then I became funny. So people like me. Can make people laugh. And then I had a big set of balls because I didn't want to show fear. Meanwhile, I was so fearful and so insecure. But you'd never tell. You learned that from your mom.

Right. Never show it. You know, don't show anything. So I had a, you know, so that's how, that's how I grew up. So it was a very interesting dynamic of my father who was totally confident on every level, would do anything, even though it was not successful. Then you had your mother seeing, you know, don't make any waves, just love everyone and give away and everything. So it was like.

And she would cover for him too. 100%. Like when we were in our teens, my brother, who was a year younger than me, finally when my father hit my mother once he he knocked my father out he grabbed him and beat the fucking shit out of him and i was like mortified cops came my mother would not press charges against my father whoa so what so when i went to therapy they're like your mother did you a very disservice your father should have gone to jail your father should have been locked up it's it's anybody in any relationship man woman can't be physical that is that is that is

That is a felony. Your mother, and it happened like four times when my father hit my mother. Cops came. Father would leave the house. My mother would not press charges. Whoa. I mean, that's such a crazy to witness that and have it be normalized your whole life. Literally.

That's just normal. Literally. That's very, very difficult to then have the proper perspective on the world in general. I think that that's why I shifted into enter. because it's like a it's like it's fake know what I mean it gives the perception of of reality but it's fake you know to live in that world so like drying the tears when someone comes over 100% 100% so that's you know so in other words the dynamic of the of my parents you know growing up was very very difficult and then the abuse I took being a Jew was very very difficult that's why summer of by summer of sixth grade I was the best athlete on Long Island it was Jim Brown Jesse Owens and Stu fucking like I I was playing against 10th graders, and I was fucking graded everything. How'd you make yourself a great athlete? I just fucking, my father bought me weights.

I hit the weights. I started running, and I said, you know, if you're good looking and you're strong and you're fast and you're great at sports, people like you, people like you. And that's what I did. And then I really thought I was going to be a professional athlete. And then I've been the exact same size since March of seventh grade. Five, four, and three quarters, six-inch dick never grew. I thought it was going to be a pawnster.

I had a six-inch dick in, like, fifth grade. We used to play spin the bottle, and the girls used to show us their flat tits, and I'd whip out my dick. I'm my dick is two inches bigger than everyone's dick. I'm like, this is fucking amazing. And then all of a sudden, everything, you know, I peaked in seventh grade, you know.

I was fucking it. So then I had to become funny and talk fast, and then, you know, whatever. You know, I've gotten a lot of fights in seventh grade. And, you know, I punished a lot of people. But then, like, in eighth grade, they were much bigger than me. Then in ninth grade, I had to kiss ass because I wasn't getting my dick fucking handed to me. You know, the fighting ended then.

But so, you know, a lot of dynamics growing up. Of course. You know, it's always very complicated. And then to go back to the first thing we talked about, like, I think that's why people are so fucked up in this country right now, because the parents don't want to engage. They don't want to fight with their kids. They don't want that struggle and that turmoil every single day. They don't want to throw their kid out of the house and say fend for yourself

because consequences is what if it doesn't work and your kid dies. Well, is the balance, is it as simple as the balance is somewhere far right in the middle of like your dad and your mom, for example? Because your mom was way over here. Your dad was way over here. I mean, it was literally beating your mom and stuff. But your mom was like pretending it didn't happen. So she's a people pleaser.

And then maybe like trying to take care of you guys. a lot on the side when your dad wasn't doing some of that stuff. And it's like, you know, you don't want to be the guy that's just like, fuck you to your kid all the time. But you also don't want to be the guy that's like, hey, you know what, it's okay. You can do whatever you want. Like you kind of got to mesh those two together and be supportive, but also be tough at the same time.

Is it that simple? Yes. But, and again, that's why I said from like two to five to six years old, it's when it has to start. Right. Like, I has to start there. so that when your father says no, well, your mother says no, it's no. It's not a, it's not a debate. It's not maybe.

Yeah, it's not, it's not, you know, they set boundaries, and that's a great thing to be disciplined. I am still to this day undisciplined. I go over the top, always over the top. And I like being over the top. I'm comfortable with it right now, and I made a living off of it, and I'm a living legend off of it. Yeah, it worked out for me. But, you know, I'm like one of one. You know, that's not the story.

There's a lot of my friends that are the fuck-ups. their parents different situations than my parents but still train wrecks they were fucking around they had girlfriends they had you know boy friends they were cheating on their spouses they weren't really um parents you know what i mean they had kids but you know like hey you know you're in my way of doing what i got to do they grew up fucked up too so i think there's a lot of adult children in this world that are 40, 50, 60, 7 years old. And then when they have kids,

they perpetuate the mistakes again to their kids. So, you're on to something there. You know, so I think discipline is very, very important. It's extremely important. If I had to do it all again, I would be, you know, much more disciplined, much tougher, much rigid. I told, like, like,

there's a difference when you tell the story of what you should be doing, but then you don't follow through. You know what I'm saying? Like the kid cries, cries, cries, cries. All right, I'm going to give me an ice cream. Like, when, like, I became a compulsive overeater. I was fat most of my life because my mother would placate the horror show situation with food.

Right. You know, cheese omelets, you know, five eggs, six eggs, cheams omel. When I'm fifth grade, it's nuts. You know, six pieces of bread, cookies, cakes, can. candies, you know, 10 chicken cullets, you know, triple portions. You know, I had doubles. I had triples of every food, you know, became fat. And that's how I grew up.

I learned how to numb myself with the food. Yeah. That was my first drug of choice. Still is for that matter. Food. You know, I never have to really smoke pot the rest of my life. You know, never have to do coke. No drugs.

You know, caffeine and food are really the rough ones for me still to this day. But food, I mean, it's so deep-rooted because as a kid, that's what you viewed as, like, getting away from it. Correct. It was what I went to for comfort, you know, to just, you know, get rid of the fear and get rid of the feelings. You know, that's why to this moment, to this day, my most happiness is taking friends out to dinner and hanging out. Even me and my wife alone. We go to Chicago, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday. We got to dinners.

You know, crazy lunches, crazy dinners. for me that's happiness you know over the table eating food you know what I'm saying that's where I do my best work where I feel the best about what I do so uh you know that's why I love eating you know my but my mother taught me that yeah you know my mother was almost it was like 280 pounds my mother you know oh wow yeah she was a monster you know a monster you know she was like giant a monster that's I don't know if I've ever heard someone call her mom a monster unless she was like like a killer or something, but...

Best chicken collets ever, though. Oh, you would die for chicken collins. I'll bet. You would get your hand cut off and still have the chicken collins. When did you get into drugs and that become a problem? My friends had older brothers. So when we were in seventh grade, they were in ninth, tenth, 10th grade, they were already smoking pot.

They introduced us to music, progressive rock and roll. I got introduced to really English music. Yes, Genesis, E-L-P, you know, progressive rock and roll. And we'd smoke pot. We would steal the pot from my friend's older brothers. So that's how we started. Started with pot. Started with pot.

Then the greatest story ever. So I go to the bowling alley in 11th grade. March 9th, 1978. Me and my friends are bowling, and we're fucking stoned out of our lines. In 10th grade, this 12th grader took a liking to me. And we used to go to Central Park

and meet this guy Mountain. And he would sell us an 8.5 by 11 piece of paper, and it had on it blotter acid. and in a in a in a like a an eyedropper he would he would drop he would drop a hundred circles on an eight and a half eight and a half by eleven piece of paper oh my hundred circles of blotta acid so i started i was a 99 student up until 10th grade 10th grade i became 60s that's where it went south 10th grade i went 60 because i was eating acid every day every like a trip like 150 times in 10th grade i'd be in fucking i'd be in fucking i'd be in biology fucking with trails all over the place. But there were like six or seven people. So we used to pay $100 for the piece of paper. Then we'd come home and cut the circle in quarters

and sell each piece of the circle for a dollar. So we'd spend 100, bring back 400. So I was making 300. So I'm really fucked up. My hair is down to here, here. We're going to concerts every day. You know, every concert possible because it was dirt. cheap back then and um go to the bowling alley march 9th and my wife's there for the first time

I see her and she's fucking bowling and I'm like oh my dick's fucking hard look at this fucking go home must have fucking masturbated like but I didn't have the balls to ask her you know I thought she was out of my league you had never seen her before at that point no I saw I maybe have saw her a couple of times, but never really, like, you know, zoned in. You know, like, holy shit. So we go March 11th. I'm at the train station with my buddy. We're going to Meet Mountain.

And all of a sudden, her and two other girls that I was much more friendly with show up at the train station, like randomly. And then they're like, what are you doing? So we all go into the city. We go to Central Park to Meet Mountain. He's not there. So then we go to what's called a brew and burger. This was at the time $4.95.

All the beer, all the wine, all the sangria that you could drink with a burger, a shrimp cocktail, a salad, and a piece of cheesecake. So we got fucking annihilated at this place. You know, for $4.95, we got fucking wasted. Get on the train. and then I say that one of the girls I lean I really like Sandy

and she's like you're so fucking slow that's why she's here she likes you we got off to train kissed oh right there got off train kissed and we've gone out

47 years straight after it so when I tell the story she's humiliated she's like don't have to tell that story to our kids which of course I wrote it in the book I told everybody the fucking story so

but so I started eating a lot of acid. My brother... Every time you said, I think you were going to say I started eating a lot of ass every fucking time. My brother then started selling harder drugs, mescaline. Then he got involved with some fucking Colombian. And he started selling...

It's always them. Started selling coke. Tons of coke. Right. kilos of coke. I would never sell it because I was very... friend to go to jail, like every night. Unless, if you get arrested, you're going to jail.

There's no, you know, you're going, you're going away. And he didn't give a fuck. But so, but then I started snorting a lot of coke because it was free. So 10th, 11th, 12th grade, complete disaster. Like, holy fuck nightmare. Like, every night in school was never straight, like literally never straight. In high school, too. like you're so young i mean i was i was a fucking moron in college and after college but like when

you're doing drugs like that when you're 16 17 18 year olds you don't even know where you are no you know but you know what it was we we had 3 3 700 people in our school 10th 11th 12th grade there was no 9th when i was in school 9th was still junior um everyone was doing like 20% of the kids were doing drugs so if your friends do it and your people you're peers do it, you do it. You know, that's really what it was. So, uh,

I stopped doing Coke probably first year at college. Oh, you were tired early. Yeah. And I've just smoked pot and eat. And then really, I smoked the pot to eat. You know what I mean?

It was like, you know, because I always was fat and, you know, I tried to be thin, couldn't get thin, smoked a lot of pot. And then, uh, I would eat. So then I had to, like, quit the pot to ever diet. So then I really, my druggie years, full-blown drugs was 10th, 11, 12th. That was it. Well, you got it out of the way early.

Correct. Yeah. Correct. And then I never was a drinker because it made me tired. And it was calories. So I would rather eat a fucking burger or fries than fucking 10 beers. You know, so when we used to go out to bars, which I fucking hated bars,

because there was so much smoke then. Imagine going to a bar where you're a lot to smoke cigarettes. And it was just like a smoke. It was like, you know, cancer infected, you know, now that we know what we know. But I would just sit at the bar and eat the pretzels and eat the popcorn and eat whatever they gave for free and just waiting until we got out of this bar

to go to the diner, you know. So because I watched my friends get drunk. And you lose, like in other words, I know it's crazy to say because it's actually probably not true, but I could eat acid, I could snow coke, I could fucking smoke pot, I don't lose my mind. I, even on acid. A different valence, yes, but you know, you give me seven beers,

10, you know, shots, I'm looking to fuck your girl. Like right in front of you, I'm tongue kissing your girl with my girl right here. Like I lose all control So I never wanted to be out of control Like for me that was the worst thing in the world So that's why I don't really drink You know, I guess in my 30s Right before I struggled with money

And everything crashed down on me I started drinking crystal champagne Don Parignon champagne Almost like a status simple But you know you could drink champagne to your fucking blue in the face It's not the same as doing like you know 10 shots

and 10 beers where you don't even know what the fuck's going on. You know what I'm saying? And it bothered me also that my wife, at the time as my girlfriend, was always a fucking 10. She wore heels, tightest pants possible, dressed to the nines, perfect makeup. And every guy, even in front of me, would try to hit on her.

They're like, you're with this fucking piece of shit. You're with this, like, tiny guy, you know, and, like, they would hit on me in front of all. But they'd be drunk. these would be some of my best friends they'd be hitting on my girl so you know like it's almost like the song your love with a beautiful woman

you know trust nobody watch your friends watch their eyes you know so in other words I didn't like to drink thank God because I'd be probably dead there's no two ways about it I don't think that would have been good for you no I would have been dead you do things a thousand miles on hour

right exactly exactly all gas no brakes yeah but you have an incredible self-awareness about it too like when you were going through all the different things that you could be predisposed to and you're talking about like, you know, The Seven Deadly Sins and all that, like you understand that about yourself.

And it seems like you've understood that about yourself for decades. Right, since they went. Right. I always had a good feeling, you know. Because in other words, I was always scared of my father, hit my mother, you know,

all the neighbors heard, you know, people heard, you know, then, you know, kids, you know, fathers crack their kids in front of people, you know, right, you know, on the ball field. Anyway, you know, You were able to grab your kid by the hammer and pull them into the house, you know.

You know, and people were physical with their wives, too. They would be like, you know, they would be abusive. You know, men were like, shut the fuck up if the wife got out of control or they would grab. You know, it was like a, you know, there was a lot of that. And it just made me so uncomfortable. It was like so, like, crazy type things. And you never wanted to do that later yourself.

Correct. That's interesting. It's like you looked at it. You knew it was wrong even when it was happening in your own home. And the cops came to my house. Yeah. you know like when my mother you know like calling them and then all of a sudden back and down so it was like a much different relationship or experience as a child than other peoples you know what i'm saying

most most of the there were there was a couple of really good relationships meaning my parents but for the most part everyone was miserable my real my experience with marriage was a nightmare never wanted to get married. It's why it took me 10 years in a day to marry my wife. In reality, I was scared because I, I, because my parents had such a horrible marriage and everyone else's parents were miserable. Like, and the fathers would tease in front of the children saying, you know, you know, berate their spouse. You know, the, the women never did because they never actually engaged with the kids then. The fathers did, but it was always, like a very condescending negative experience about their relationship.

You know, like, you know, like almost like they were like slaves. Like, you know, the men, the man was the man and the women was to serve the man, you know. So I'm like, I was scared to get married. I literally was scared. I didn't think it was going to work. So, you know, that's why it took me so long. But you were very in love. Oh, I was fucking, from day one, you know, she owned me.

day one you know like day fucking one no toys about it you know i imagine there were a lot of conversations between you and in those years about that very subject and sandy felt differently yeah her mother was an alcoholic so and she died alcoholic you know so um she had her own problems she had her own problems with a mother you know like she had to adjust and stuff and uh you know the way she adjusted she became super smart she was brilliant like all my kids are super We're fucking smart. Brilliant, smart. You know, looks and brains from the mother, thank God, you know,

a six inch penis for me. Pretty much what I brought to the fucking table, you know. You know, have a good time with dad. And then, you know, mom's really where we go when we want to talk, you know, serious shit. Right, right. But you also like, so you're watching the Eagles Raiders Super Bowl in 1980 with your dad. And that's where you come up with the idea like, fuck it. I'm going to go for this and do this.

Did you drop out of school to go do that immediately? Yes. Okay. How just, like, because again, this is all pre-internet. How to go down? I bought a list from Sports Illustrated, their base, and I got a telephone because with my experience selling unsold airtime for radio stations and maintenance gumbles and office supplies, I was an amazing telephone salesman.

And I was a very hard worker. and I was not afraid of the word no. So I just dialed and dialed and dialed and pitched people on exactly what I said to you. Got a system. Father taught it to me. Home underdogs, underdogs against the grain, against the public. And people were like, well, I don't want to bet that fucking, you know, the bed. I'm like, that's what wins.

Then in the early 80s, we worked from behind. Meaning, I would say, Julian, here's a game, bet the game. After it wins, pay me. and I was able to get on a monster wall for years, not a day. I mean, I won for like seven, eight years with that system. So I kept getting paid, getting paid, getting paid. And basically, I got a partner to work with me. He was 43.

I was 21. And we had two desks that faced each other. And we rented 300 square feet of a little office with a little office with a bathroom on long island on long island in west babylon and we grind it out after one year we had 30 employees work for us we we were like 1.6 million in 1983 that's like fucking 16 million today right we were crazy we were killing we were killing so we had a two-story freestanding building so we were on the second floor And it was like 3,000 square feet on the second floor, on the first floor was like

1,900 square feet of usable space because there was other, like, that's where they had all there, air conditioning and heating and stuff. So anyway, that these little offices, so as we walk in the door, the minute you walk into your left is this little office. And these two guys are there. And they took a liking to me. They fucking loved me because they couldn't believe that. You're telling me, Stu, someone pays you for air?

No, I'm saying, no, I have a good, I have a good system. They're like, Stu, shut the fuck. You fucking know nothing. What are you? You're scared. You're either bookmaking or you're robbing people. You know, that was their mentality. I'm like, no, no, no, this is actually real.

We're not bookmaking. We don't take a bet. They bet with illegal bookmakers. They pay us up front. We give them a game after wins we paid. Right. Yeah. And what do you do, guys?

so they set girls they hired girls to work at strip clubs and so you would have all these girls coming in and out of their office now this is 1983 girls that worked at strip clubs in 1983 were co-cores they were fucking sixes fives fours

they were gross disgusting girls thin disgusting But to us, you know, you got a vagina, you know, when you're 23, you'll fuck anything, you know, like if it, if it fucking breathed, we're fucking it. So he would send the girls up to the office for us and everyone would fuck them. Everybody would fuck them for free and it was unbelievable. You wearing fucking rubbers, I hope. What? Come on.

What? Sounds like I could feel the chlamydia from over here. Listen, if you don't have an STD, you're not trying. I don't know what world you're fucking living in. If you're on an SDD, you're not trying. So all of a sudden, one day, it's the craziest thing. And they weren't really, they didn't, not like my partner, but when we made money, he became like he was a loser,

then all of a sudden he got a toupee, got his eyes fixed, ton of jewelry, and really had an attitude walking around like, I'm better than you. And really was not a people person. You know, didn't give a fuck about anyone. was fucking everything that walked board a Porsche he fucking did it all so they they did it not like him but they didn't like him all of a sudden out of the blue one day

there's this guy in the office in a breathtaking fucking suit and looks like you know something had a good fellas and he pulls me in the office he goes he goes a kid you're you're a stupid you're a fucking Jew you're a Jew you're a Jew earner right you're a good fucking earner because these guys tell me they really like you He goes, if you have any problems ever, I'll take care of them. I'm like, who are you? He says his name. He says, he just got out of jail.

He's there for 17 years for killing five people. Huh. Nice guy. I'm like, oh, my God, this is fucking banana land. But I adapted. I'm like, wow, this is fucking great if I ever have a problem. Because in the 80s, certain times, you know, we'd lose games of people. They'd threaten us.

Yeah. You know, I'm going to fucking kill you. You just lost me money. So, P.S., I told this guy certain times, like, don't worry about it. Hey, man comes here, I'll fucking, don't worry. I got you. Okay, fine. And I knew a lot about the mafia because when I bet in the early 80s, they were with mafia bookmakers.

Carlo Gambino was in, that was the original person from the Godfather that, you know, the part they played in the Godfather. that, you know, the part they played in the godfather, that was Carl Gambita. He lived in Massapequa. He had a house on the water in Massapequa. And Broadway was where all these local bars were that there were mafia bookmakers that you went in bed with. Okay. So I knew of the mafia, never any bad experiences, anything like that. My father said he always knew people in the mafia in Brooklyn, but always stayed away.

It wasn't his game. But, you know, he said, You know, listen, you just don't fuck with them. They'll fucking kill you. You know, don't ever turn them. Be respectful, but, you know, don't ever get involved. It's not your game. It's nothing you ever want to do.

Don't go that way. It's like being a criminal. Don't go that way unless you want to go to jail. You know, you're going to pay the price, whatever. So the guy Joey, like two weeks, he's there. He goes, listen, your fucking partner. I've got a fucking problem with him. He disrespected me.

tried to talk to him and he just walked upstairs he didn't want nothing to do with me he goes i don't fucking like him i'm like i don't know what do you want me to do because you fucking tell him he better show me respect go upstairs say tony you got a problem here this fucking guy downstairs really has a beef with you i don't want to get involved and i don't want to fuck with this guy this is not the guy we're fucking you realize that it's like fuck him he's a fucking murderer he's a fucking grease ball guinea tony was uh italian too he's like fuck him and he never backed out and he just ignored the guy so this guy joey has a friday night card game where everyone played

poker and cards and we had like 30 people upstairs now now a year into this now we're writing like five million dollars a year me and tony we each make like a half a million dollars i'm 23. It's almost all cash. Like cash is coming to us. FedEx envelopes. Cash. Western unions that were cashing craziness. And he says to some of the people that work for me, I'm going to fucking smack this fucking guy, Tony, right in a fucking face. I'm going to hit him with a fucking gun and crack his fucking skull open if he doesn't fucking show me respect. I don't know what to do. I tell Tony, Tony doesn't give a fuck. P.S., I come into work Saturday, half hour late.

The whole office, we had like a private office, and then there was like a bullpen of salesman, just on a phone with, you know, desk with phones. The whole office is trashed, and Tony's whole fucking face is like bloodied and, like, bruised. Like, what the fuck happened? He's like, fucking Joey downstairs, send somebody up there to crack my fucking face.

Like, how do you know? He goes, he said, he said, listen, this is my territory. This is fucking our fucking game. You're fucking nobody. You're not with anybody. And I own your fucking business now. I want a piece of your fucking business. I'm like, oh my God, I don't know what to do.

And then the guy, Joey, says to me, listen, you tell your fucking partner, you better show me your fucking respect. I'm going to fucking kill him. And he literally said, I'm going to kill him. I'm like, I don't know what to do. So I go back, tell my father. my father gets my uncle

who worked for the FBI but he took pictures he was a photographer for the FBI he says get out of the business he goes it's it's gambling it's gambling related I don't even actually understand

how people are actually paying you because then this is so foreign nobody is doing this and I'm 23 and I'm making a half a million dollars a year you don't like even have competition it's just zero yeah no no zero zero and um just get out of the business you know they're gonna take your business over or you're gonna fucking be in trouble he just get it you could do anything so do

get out of business i'm like i'm not getting out of business i'm making too much money you know like i'm greedy yeah so then um meet with tony tony says he reached out to a friend that he knows someone in the mafia okay so tony and this guy drive to brooklyn with two other guys to meet this guy marco marco is one of the biggest bookmakers in brooklyn he had like an underground house he had 20 TVs and the old school uh the old school layout of what you think a bookmaker looks like we have 40 people on phones taking bets TVs everywhere aboard everywhere they meet this guy. Marco says he knows the guy that hit him.

That guy's going to kill you. That guy's going to take your business over and just going to get rid of you whether you do the right thing or not at this point. It's out of control. I'll take care of that. Okay. On the way back from Brooklyn to the office,

two guys in the back ask my partner, where do you live? What's your address? And my partner thought that was a little weird. She gives him a phony address. Okay. Three days later, again, same thing Saturday. I get into work late.

My partner is doubly fucking beat up. I'm like, what the fuck happened? Place is trashed. My office again. He goes, my fucking, my friend double-dealed me. I go, what does that even mean? He goes, they asked me my address on the way back. And I gave him a phony address.

These jerk-offs, after they cracked me around, kicked me in the balls. I was on the floor. They were stepping on my face. Said, and we know where you live, and they gave the fake address. They said, and we're going to fucking come there and kill you unless you give us your business.

So now I got the mafia people downstairs made a move. I got this, my partner's jerk off friends have just double-dealed us made a move. My father comes to the office. He has like 10 shotguns, ton of ammunition. Dad did. Gives everybody a fucking shotgun, shows us how to shoot,

loads it up. You're going to shoot the mafia. Well, protect ourselves. Not shoot them, but protection. You know what I'm saying? Like, to protect. Because what are we going to do? Like, if they come in to beat us,

at least we could fucking shoot them. So, which I told my fault, there's no shot in life I can do that. But all the other salesmen around, they're making three, four thousand, five thousand a week. They'll shoot anybody for that type of money. You know, these kids,

you know, they have no prayer of ever making this money rest of their lives. In a week, they're making what they're not going to make in a year. So he gets plexiglass, bulletproof glass, for all the windows in our office. Because now we have 3,000 square feet. We have the whole top floor. He gets starters for our cars from the top floor. We start our car so it wouldn't blow up because, you know, in the movies, it showed how mafia does that, right?

Right. And it wasn't far from the truth, you know. We hire a security firm. They build a door where now when you walk up the steps, you would just walk up the steps and go right into our office. Now there's a door there, a metal door with a peephole, got to buzz in. They build a wall. We get a security guy to sit at the door with a gun.

Then anywhere we went, we hired two guys with guns, open carry. to walk around with us. We slept at the office for two weeks. Me and my partner slept there. Like, we went to the mattresses almost like you put a, you know, literally, like old school. Yeah, yeah. After like 10 days, the guy at the door that buzzed everyone in said, this is banana land. This is great.

You can't live like this. You can't live like this. Because it was an absurd amount of money. I'm sure. A day, $8,000 a day. No matter what we're making, it wasn't going to. whatever. And he says, I got someone that'll solve this problem. I'm like, okay. So he calls his buddy. It was like, it was his cousin who was a girl's husband. He comes up, he goes, yeah,

because for 25,000, I'll stop this. We're like 25,000. That's it. He goes, no, 25,000 a year for the rest of your life and 5,000 every Christmas. I'm like, Okay, let's go. You know, like, fucking Bo Diedel? Right. Like, literally, like, that type of shit. Right. Um, my...

Bo Diel's son went to school with my third kid in Binghamton, by the way. I know Bo, and I know his son. Um, they both went to Binghamton. Um, and there was crazy as fucking the story's all. I'll bet. So, um... He is not the mafia guy. He brings, like, a captain up to the office.

Oh, shit. And he goes, listen, this is what we're going to fucking do. He goes, told me you used to sell concert tickets when you're in seventh grade right i fucking helped you he goes remember you had a fucking problem with somebody tried to make a move on you with your tickets i'm like no what do you you do now he's like listen you fucking jew boy listen solved the problem for you you've been with me we're going to go downstairs tell this fucking guy you're with me you've been with me he should have never ever made a move on your

fucking partner, no matter what your partner did, because you're with me. And then I'll fucking go to fucking Brooklyn and straighten out the other guy because we know that guy. So that guy's no problem. The only problem we have is the guy downstairs. I go, I don't want to go downstairs with you. What are you talking about? He goes, no, no, no, we need you. So he goes, no, it's going to be very mellow. I'm not going to raise my voice. So I go downstairs with this guy and the guy that introduced me to the guy that closed the door. They closed the door. and they immediately start threatening the guy. He go, who the fuck of you?

This fucking Jewish stew is fucking with me since seven fucking grade. He's on fucking record with me. Check us to fuck out. Who the fuck of you to make a move on me? You're fucking who do you think you are? Now his boss was like a fucking, was like a don. He was like a big family.

You know, he had a family, like a big mafia family. And then the guy was like, oh, whoa, whoa, I didn't know. What do you mean? I didn't, how am I supposed to know? He didn't talk up. saying, I love this guy. I hate his partner. I'm going to shoot that.

No, you're not going to shoot the fucking partner. Dare with us. And that's it. And for the rest of my life, I never had a problem with him. The other guy, without him. And now I had a real fucking guy behind me. So we, so anybody who

threatened us, we threaten them back. We go, listen, who the fuck you think you're talking to? I'll send someone to your fucking house. I'll fuck your wife. I'll blow up your fucking house. I'll kill you. You know, my partner is fucking the real fucking deal. you know like so it gave me a license to just fucking go wild on people back by the mom you know and it was

on record it was really on record if you checked me out on the street they have like a record of who's with who so people i was there so um that was like one of the fucking craziest they're checking the phone books of mom one of the craziest situations ever and then i remember going like so i was the liaisons every week i would have to go to this guy giving him five 500 a week, 500 a week, 500 a week. And then we'd have meetings with these other people. And they would always make maneuvers on me. They're like, how can we get more money?

How can you go into business with us? How can we do this? This and that. And this guy who was the buffer loved me, respect me, saved my fucking ass because he kept them away from me. And we'd go to these Christmas parties. I went to like three. And it was crazy.

I mean, it was like, I was so scared. He's like, this is a meat finis. the eye. Just got a jail for killing six people. He only has one eye because he got stabbed in the eye and then he put seven bullets through the fucking guy's head. Larry the Fish, you know, and, you know,

he would have like one arm and he would fucking have gun, like he holster guns. I'd be like, I'm Larry to Fee! It's like, he's called Larry to Fish because he kills people, he throws him in the fucking water. They'll sleep with the fish. He's like real shit.

So then this guy The guy that wasn't connected But had the connections Came to work for us And everyone said that's going to be the end of the business He's going to come work for you He's going to learn your business He's going to take it over

P.S. Reverse became one of my top guys One of my fucking managers And protected me My whole way through No shit so he literally like worked in the business itself and then you just paid him a protection contract. Yeah. You still paying that today?

No, that went away after like seven years. Okay. All right. So it wasn't brutal. That's not a bad deal. No, it worked out. But again, everything I touched turns to gold then. You know, you just, that's not the story of 99.9% of how things work.

Right. Something happens. You got to make, you got to make, you know, you got to do favors for them that are, you know, hey, you know, whatever. And I did my share that I'm. can't say what I did, but whatever, but never. You can't say? No.

It's just you amissed. I know. Exactly. No one's listening to this. Only a million fucking followers again. But again, that was in a once-in-a-lifetime lottery ticket situation that could have gone so bad, so quick, so fast, but it didn't. It also, when I had 220 fall and part-time people working for me, I own my own freestanding building, and we were writing $16 million a year.

It kept people away from me. Otherwise, everyone would have been taking shots at me because it was still this gambling business, you know, and people even then didn't believe what I was doing. They thought I was a bookmaker that I booked the people. Right. That's how I wrote the money. You'd like using this coverage, yeah. Exactly.

Exactly. So that was, you know, that was one of the unique stories. Yeah. So you, but that's what I'm saying. Like you get into this at 19 and you got the best game in town for 18, 19 years or something like that. Correct. You just printing money. Correct. You get married. You start having kids and everything. 1990, I, my partner Tony, although he had a big mouth and was really not good to people or people pleases, it was great advertising. We were the first people on ESPN national TV show in 1984. We were average. on the NBA playoffs, 1984. We were in the HBO ESPN guide

where they used to have a guide where whatever everything was on and we were the inside front cover. So my partner Tony got us in there, got us on TV. Then in 1986, my partner thought it was okay to just hammer people's credit cards.

So we had hundreds of customers with hundreds of credit cards. Yeah. He randomly started hitting the cards, taking the money and saying, Stu, this is what we're going to do. We're going to hit the people's cards. And then we're going to use the money to advertise. By the time we have to, by the time the chargeback happens, we'll pay the charge back back with the money.

But use the money as an advertising bankroll. It's like a Ponzi scheme. 100%. I'm like, how? How is that going to work? We're going to go to jail. P.S. I went to the mafia guys, not the mafia guy,

but the guy that's working for me. And I said, this is crazy. So he made Tony leave and get his own place. We were still partners, but he got his own place. And he said to Tony, you can never do this. P.S. That's crazy. I have the better salesman.

I have like 26 people. he has like 12 people he's outriding me every week three to one how's he doing it bang and credit cards that's so so then i so then i said to the guy you got to get rid of him so we got rid of him so we he's parted ways you got rid of him no no no no no no literally just i mean you got be careful with your words here still severed severed the relationship that's another severed's a bad word to use literally exactly so then uh and that's how we that's and then i just went on my own So then 1990, I opened my own TV show called The Sports Advisors. $100,000 a week budget.

We're in every sports channel in the country. Thursday night, Friday night after. You syndicated. Thursday night, Friday night nationwide, Saturday mornings, Sunday mornings. Fucking killing. Can we pull up a video of you on this so people can see this? Can we type in, go to YouTube. right there, Danny, and type in Stu Feiner Sports Advisors Old School.

Let's try that. I'd love to see this. Because honestly, a barstool with what you guys are doing now, the whole like throwback where they do the like 90s facade with the jewelry and everything, it fucking kills me. But that's really, that's really what it was. Sports advisors, 90s. Because that's how eventually I went to, I went to barstool. Dave randomly called me.

That first one, that first one right there. All right, and let's crank some volume there. Okay. Money. And then this. Dan, he's filling in on the board that everyone. He's killing it. Okay.

All right. I'm going to rip his throat out. I will blow this man out. I will step on his throat until the man chokes. Let me tell you how. When is? Winters? Winters?

Winters? I'm on a roll. 13 and 3. 13 and 3. 13 and 3. My last 16 on games of my life. All it Saturday. Two team, NFL.

Pauli over. I thought a bag! I knocked him out. I knocked the man out last week. Listen, I will take my hand, knock him out. I will take my head, knock him out. Back, back, back, back, back, back, back. You know what I did?

I know I'm, like, really mellowed today. So what I did is I relaxed during the break. Two expressos. They were beautiful. Matter of fact, they were doubles. Two shots of Zamboca. I am feeling so weird. All right, folks, this is the bottom line.

Now listen, you know how some of your friends tell you There's no such thing as a sure thing. There's no locks. There's no guaranteed winners. Forget those people. You know what they are? They are losers. This is a biggie.

Six one million star blockbusters. Absolutely free. Take it away. Okay, thanks, Jim. Don't ever touch my hand again. This is the biggest. Happy East to everybody out there. Eat hearty.

Eat like an animal. I know I will. Your sauce. Me likes. All right. Let's cut it right there. I vote this is Stu Friday. Let me taste something right now.

Holy shit, still. So we were getting like 3,000 leads on a Saturday, 3,000 leads on a Sunday, 1,500 Thursday, 500 Friday. We had a, we had an office where I had a group of 100 people on the phones going, do you find it give me a name and number to call you back, click. Do you find it give me a name and number? We'd write the leads down and bring them up to the salesman, and we would just sell them. Would you walk around the office with a Louisville? A bat?

Yeah. No, no, like Robert De Niro. No, I didn't know. You look like, you look like you were in that kind of vibe back then. Exactly. I feel like you just got to put one over your shoulder. You look the part, roll up some sleeves. Well, at the time I was selling.

I was a salesman. Because I felt to make sure that everyone worked hard, I worked hard. You know, these, we worked, we were working like 19 hour days because I would pay for everyone's breakfast. I would pay for everyone's lunch. Once we, once the games started at night, I took everyone out to dinner. and this went on seven days a week. Seven days a week. For like 15 years. And then if we did, won the game, we would go right to Atlantic City that closed at four in the morning.

So we would leave at like 1230 limos for lying at like 110 miles an hour. We'd get there at 3.30, half hour, gamble, eat, get whores for the people, come right back, 8 o'clock in the morning, we're back to work. That was pretty much the M.O. That's what we did. how much of this when you went on tv i mean people can see you like you're the high energy guy you always have been how much of this was like an alter ego versus this is 100% the real stew 100% the real stew no don't ever touch my hand again right literally i don't know how i did that but that was like one of the greatest videos ever people to this day just fucking love it people this day in the street go when they come up to and they go i just touch the hand but you can tell me

You don't ever know their head again, like they fucking love it. So the show really blew up. Yeah. I was probably going to be a $100 million guy. Rupert Murdoch fucking murdered me. Scumbag. He's done that to a lot of people. But a little different than other people.

1993, he bids on the NFL package to show on fucking Channel 5. P.S., he didn't have any sports programming. So he bought every sports channel. So in 1994, he threw me off all my networks. Why? What do you have against you? Nothing to do with me. Oh, he doesn't like Jews. No, nothing to do it.

I'm fucking with you. Because now, instead of my show, had NFL programming. So he showed the NFL. But why? So NFL was. only on channel two and channel four. Right. Now it's on channel five. Right, but why

can't you also be on their... Because in the 80s and 90s, there was, you can't have sports gambling anything to do with the NFL. You can't even program it on the same channel. Correct. Correct. Wow. And my show fucking went from a fucking two, three million dollar a year earner to like grinding. And you don't have the internet to go around

and cut the cable on YouTube. No internet. Nothing. Nothing. But your business is still doing well, right? Great, because I bought the score phones. Right. So then we would get thousands of calls a week from the scorephone network.

Right. But then when the internet hit in 98, it wiped out everything. All right, real quick, I just got to go the bathroom one more time. We're going to talk about that. Go. All right, we're back. So you were saying, you had mentioned this earlier, and we left off right here, you did not see the internet coming.

You thought it's like going to be this like blow over fat. Oh, no, no toys about it. So let's go a little years before that happens. So Sports Illustrated runs a article about sports handicappers in their newspaper. Okay. And it was the front cover was Magic Johnson when, he got AIDS. So it was, you know, a hundred million seller, you know, like the biggest thing ever.

What they did is people hated me, hated my industry, looked at me as a con man, carnival barker, deceived people, have no skill, can't win. So what they did is they paid me and they monitored me. P.S., they caught me over a two-week period where I hit like 30. So in the newspaper they got Meets Dufina, the biggest scam ever, he'll piss on your bookmaker's face. We got him at 39%. So that really hurt me as far as nobody would take my advertising money. So I had, I came up with an idea.

Let me hire ex-coaches to work for me. ex-coaches. So I got, I got Bum Phillips, who is the head coach of the Houston Oilers, retired. His son, Wade Phillips at the time, won a Super Bowl with the Broncos. He was the defensive coordinator for the Buffalo Bills. So I paid Bum Phillips like $125,000. Chuck Knox, head coach of Seattle Seahawks, legendary. Pay him $125,000.

Craig Morton, quarterback the Broncos, quarterback the Jones, quarterback the Jones. Giants got him to work for me. And I put their faces up instead of Stu Feiner's face because Sports Illustrated wrecked me. So now I'm going to put their faces up. Truck Knox quits within three weeks because the NFL told him that if he works for me, he's never getting in the Hall of Fame. Bump Phillips, they threatened him too. But Bum Phillips said, listen, my might my, uh,

Daughter is a big shot lawyer. Every ad you run that has anything to do with me, you send it to her. She's got to approve it. Craig Morton didn't give a flying fuck about the NFL. The NFL fucked him. They didn't give him proper insurance. They really then, in those days, ruined players. They didn't give him a fuck about players.

They, you know, they didn't treat them right. They didn't give him pensions. They didn't have these fucking players saying, you know, they played the game. they know the game, they know the information, inside information, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Total bomb. No one gives a fuck. No one cares.

I'm spending $30,000 a week in a little one by one, one by two, three by three strip ads and newspapers with their face. No one cares. No one gives a fuck about them. So I'm like, God, I got to maneuver here. I got to take a shot. So Bum Phillips, so Wade Phillips becomes the fucking head coach of what? of their teams. I think was the Buffalo Bills.

That sounds right. Or he was the defensive coordinator for the bills and then he got it upgraded. So I run a fucking full page ad in USA Today, which is a national newspaper saying, Bum Phillips spoke to his son Wade and we got the game plan for tonight. And the name of the company that I put them under was inside information sports. I spend like a hundred and eighty, thousand dollars in ads and i'm figuring i'm going to write like a million bucks multiple felonies we write nothing zero it was as if the newspaper no one believed it or cared didn't work didn't work okay i get a knock on the door like three months later it's five 30 in the morning

FBI? No. Stu Feiner. I'm going to know it's too fine. I'm like, am I under a year? And they serve me with papers like this big. You know, you've been served by the NFL. And you know what the processing service said to me?

I'm sorry. That's when you know you're fucked. You're so fucked. Like the word fuck doesn't even know. I'm like, oh my God, what about you do? So I got a whole of a fucking somebody who knew somebody. And I'm going to Manhattan, get a lawyer, 500 an hour. You're on the phone with a guy for 10 minutes.

Bill's you for 10 minutes. He says, you're pretty fucked. You're really fucked because I'm dead. I didn't send the ad to Bum's daughter, first of all. And that's in the contract. So we call Bum, Bum, it's like, oh, God, you got me in hot water right now. You really do. You know, it's nothing I can do.

What do you would like me to do? You knew the rules. whatever, sweetest guy ever, best guy ever. And his daughter, although hated me for what I did, sweet as hell too. We go to the NFL office. And I literally, and the lawyer says, don't say anything. Let me just maneuver.

We'll see what we're going to do. And the minute I got in there, I just fucking dropped my jaw, a short amount of six inch dick. I go listen, I'm in fucking trouble here, guys. I made a bad move. Dead wrong. So sorry.

will fucking do anything to rectify this. So then they fucking get this whole contract together for me that they say you can't ever use any players, you can't use any of our names, you can't use any of our logos. They made me spend a quarter of a million dollars on retractions. Every ad I ran, the exact size, had to go in every newspaper saying,

inside information sports had no knowledge of anything it was totally wrong totally fraudulent and it was like a $400,000 bad move for me was death death

so that was in 1997 then 1997 also the show called Real Sports Oh on HBO with Brian Gumble

and Jim Lampley. They go on the same way Sports Illustrated went after me. They go after me. They sent fucking reporters right to my fucking office. They're camped outside by cameras. They want to do an interview with me because

one of the customers that ratted us out to them, this customer paid us like $300,000. And the customers said that we lost for him on purpose, that we had the ability to win. win and lose any time we wanted.

Guy paid us $30,000, and we made him $200. We took the whole 200 we made him. Then the guy had no money, so we took a loan against his house, reloaded back for 200, and we went bad. We lost it all. The guy thought that we lost it on purpose, that we were in cohutes with the off-show sports book that he put the money in.

Totally wrong. We just lost. We got hot for him at the beginning. We lost at the end. So Jim Lampley comes to my fucking office. And I said, I'm not going to talk to you because I spoke to the lawyers. They said, don't say a word. They said, well, if you don't say a word, we need you to say no comment with a microphone in your face.

I said, I'm not doing that either. They said, Stu, we did some research on you. You're coaching football at 2 o'clock. You're the head fucking coach of Farming the Hawks. You're the president of Hawks. We're going to go down to the fucking field and embarrass you in front of everyone unless you say no comment. So they have me on fucking Phil and at my office walking out of my fucking office. Jim Lutley puts a fucking mic in my fucking face.

And I go, no comment. I get a car and drive. Oh, you like checking back. Was that good? Right. So that fucking destroys me. That destroys me. But I have my score phones still working perfectly.

Six minutes. First minute's you. Five minutes of scores. Choose sports books. sportsbook.com and sports.com that were out of the country. We had a schedule that we sent quarter of a million schedules out every two weeks. That was the rotation of how the games were listed in Nevada. Also, the rotation about when you used to call your bookmaker and you would need the exact rotation

because he would fire the numbers really quick. So you'd say, what are the lines? and he would go, okay, you got the rotation that you would say as a customer, yes, and he would go, okay, Bill 7, line 6, Jets 4, Giants 5, Clemson 11, New England 4, and he would read

really fast, you would have to have an exact schedule. Right. We had a schedule that we sent out a quarter of a million to bookmakers, not the country, they gave them to their customers. Okay, killing. Great average, we jammed and went advertising for us inside, we did great.

And when Jim Lampley and Brian Gumble buried me, I didn't miss a beat, to be honest with you. Besides, giving the money away. Scorephones, sportsbook.com, and sports.com, they're paying me a million dollars. So instead of my advertisement being at the front, they took that. And they were paying me a million dollars to advertise their sportsbook. It would be sportsbook.com right now, 50% bonus. Sign up right now throughout the country, 800 win cash.

I had an 800 number. I said win cash. I gave it to them. Kill it now. Now I don't need anything. I don't even need the sports service. The school of phones are locked in. This one minute ads giving me a million dollars free and clear.

Plus, I still have all the other ads I'm running at the back end now. So I'm like, this is amazing. 1998 happens, see the internet flourishes, and it went from like a zero to a million overnight. And you thought it was bullshit. Correct. If you were not, if you did not have an internet presence, you were dead overnight. Whatever business you were doing, you were dead because the competition that were flourishing

on the internet that spent money in 92, three, four, five, six, seven, now they reaped their rewards. Right. I was holding my dick. I'm like, I didn't think it was going to work. It wasn't ready. So the score phones go from 48 million calls to 300,000 in six months. I'm antiquated.

CBS Sportsline opens this multi-million dollar, multifaceted, insane website gave you scores, odds, lines, injury, weather, puts articles on every game. Daily, you could go to it. And they gave you insane information, really put my score phone out of business. So now I'm as dead as dead. So fucking dead. Had you put any money away from all these years or were you just spending it? Zero.

Yeah. You seem like a spender. Zero. I made a dollar. I spent $1.50 and I barred a dollar from you. And I had the mafia connections. Yeah. So like I didn't think and and my outward persona was that I went to every Super Bowl.

I went to every baseball, football, basketball, concert in the world. First row, 20 people, spending like $3 million a year on nonsense. But it was like, Stu Feina, Stufina, Stufina, Stufina. Okay. Puts me at, I'm totally out of business right now. 99,000 can't pay my mortgage. My mortgage was $17,400 a month. Don't pay the mortgage for four years.

Whoa. Cut a deal. Got back. Made one payment. All my salesman left me to go to another company that was paying quadruple my commission. Go bad again. Foreclosure, another three years. So for seven years, I didn't pay my mortgage.

17,400 a month. P.S. at the end of everything, I, what happened was I started learning the internet. I had no choice, 2008, 2009, 2010. Then I figured out what I have to do is give free games. Go back to 1982. Give free games. 2011, 12, 13, 14.

On fire. Every championship game give a free win. 60%, 62%. Win, win, win, every sport win. Now I'm back. Now I'm making like 3,400,000 a year, 500,000 a year. Just me and my son. Cut a deal with the mortgage company.

They took 840,000 that I was in the rear, put it on top of my 600,000 original mortgage, million four. The cut a deal, 17 for a month. P.S., I made my last payment, May. Oh, congratulations. So the fucking house is free. It took me that long to fucking battle back. Then, randomly, out of the blue, Barstool starts getting very big. And Big Cat and PFT, shout out, Big Cat, shout out PFT, shout out Hank.

They're running this skit that they have a fish tank, and they have a fish called Larry the Goldfish. And they have two Coke cans. And whoever's playing that day, they wrap like jets around this can, joints around this. can they put in front of fish tank. And Ria, Maria, Maria puts fish food. So wherever the fish swims to, that's the pick. They enter this jerk-off fish in a contest, the Hilton handicapping contest. The biggest contest in the world, 10,000 of the best handicapped is enter. You have to go to Nevada, enter, pay money, and every week somebody in Nevada has to put the picks in for you. fucking fish at 63%.

Unbelievable. So all these barstole people are watching this on YouTube, watching this on internet, betting their dick off, making a gazillion dollars. So it's like the greatest thing ever. So Dave says to Big Cat and PFT,

go pull up Stu Feiner. Go pull up his back picks, back ads, and he's the greatest ever. Yeah. So Big Cat and PFT imitate me. Big Cat's like, I'm Stu Feina. I'm fucking Stu Feiner.

Call me now. I'll fucking kill your bookmaker. 800, 677672726. And then PFT's like, I'm on fire. The fucking place is burning down, but I'm going to fucking kill your bookmaker. 800, 67676726. So all of a sudden, out of the blue, it's me and my son, in my house now working in my kids old toy room, all of a sudden, the phones blow up. I write like $9,000 out of the blue. I don't know who Big Cat is. I never heard of PFT. I have no idea who Barstool is. I never

fucking heard of Da Portnoy. God, my kids, they're like Stu. They're like, Dad, this is the greatest thing ever. They imited you. Everyone's buzzing. You kid, they're the biggest company in the world. They're the funniest. They're this and that. You got it to go to them. call them up on the phone. First of all, they were so happy that I didn't think they were, because they were pissing on me and making fun of me, that I would have been mad. I'm like, I love it.

No, it's awesome. They call me into the office. Go to the office, and this is the wildest thing. So I'm downstairs in their office in this like vestibule waiting to go in the elevator to go upstairs. This fucking guy comes out of the elevator with a hood on, like a hoodie, thin guy, and he comes over, And he comes over and he goes, hi, Stu, I'm your biggest fan.

Oh, no, hi, Stu, I'm a big fan. I'm like, thank you. He leaves. The people that I was with, they go, don't you know who that was? That was Dave Portnoy. I go, no, I didn't know that was Day Portnoy. We go upstairs and Big Cat and PFT and Hank have this skit where they want me to attack Larry the goldfish, to tackle the fish tank. So you have Big Cat and PFT in real.

doing their skit, and I run in to try to tackle the fish tank going, I'm the fucking best, not you, Larry. I don't go, fuck you won the contest. That's my business. Fuck you. And I try to tackle the fish tank, big cap PFT. Tackle me, it goes viral. Everyone at the office fucking loves it.

Dave gives them the okay. The next week, Hank comes up with an idea. Donald Trump will not. pick the college basketball bracket that Barack Obama picked for eight years because he hates blacks

he ain't Barack Obama he fucking hates him he's doing nothing Barack ever did so he won't do it so they dress me up as Donald Trump oh my God

and that's on the internet too it's one of the greatest fucking things we can't play because it's copyrighted but yeah why it's going to be

any barstole stuff oh okay okay so I put a Donald Trump wig on the fucking suit with the red thing. Did you do the voice? No, no, I did my voice and I go fucking crazy and pick the bracket and we go wild, big cat, PFT, rea, it goes viral.

So then like three weeks later, Dave goes, listen, I got a great idea. Me, my uncle, and my father used to watch your show in the 90s. We fucking loved it. It was one of the things that really gave me an idea that I wanted to be a performer, gambling, and exactly what you do. I would like to rebrand your show, Barstall Sports Advisers, bring it back. It'll be you, me, and Big Cat.

Genius. P.S. Here we are today. It's the most genius thing ever. Fucking wild. It was so wild. Like Dave said, what do you need? I'm like, I don't know. Can I get two commercials?

Like I used to run on my show. He's like, yeah. He goes, I don't need anything. And my kids were pissed because like, Dad, you could have hit him for a salary, you could have really banged them over the head. I go, listen.

Again, attitude, right, attitude of gratitude. You know what I mean? Like, at the time, I was just coming out of my struggles. I had a good, solid base. I was very well received on the internet. Very well respected because I wasn't selling anything. I was giving the games for free. And then in reality, they were asking me,

do you have more picks? So I had a very clean, pristine. reputation now you know reinvented myself and then fucking the show game yeah and then you know been killing ever since it's it's fucking killing it's amazing and like the way

the nostalgia of the 90s as well as something that that was Hank's idea exactly he wanted he exactly the show looks like it was from the 90 on the hand right literally oh it's incredible it's incredible so now I have a problem similar what I told you before when we started a little bit

this is not my audience 18-year-olds to 30-year-olds, not my audience. I'm thinking, and I'm 57. I'm like, the kids that work there are in their 20s, 30s, you know, 30-year-old, you know, what do I do? Just a quick note in the interest of trying to follow YouTube's community guidelines, there are going to be some bleeps in this next scene. If you would like the unfiltered scene,

I will have that on other social media platforms, but it's still, Pretty fucking wild. Here we go. So I'm thinking, how can I ingratiate myself in there? How can I embed myself? And I'm thinking sex, sex sells. Then I'm thinking as an 18, 19, 20 year old, what did I have problems? Well, holding my load.

I would fuck a girl, you know, really only my wife. And come quick. And I have to wait to get hard again, then I'd fuck. Come quick. I love how he's like, really only my wife. Most of your time. Come quickly, 99% of time, well.

Performatively, I fuck the thousand women. I'm the greatest fuck ever. Reality one. Reality one. But it's not reality. We'll live in reality. I'll fuck your girl. I'm darn one, bitch.

So, basically, I'm thinking, how can I actually do something funny, do something performative, but actually put me. meat on the bone. So I create the perfect hour of sex. The 15, 15, 15, 30. 15 minutes 15 minutes, 50 minutes, 30 minutes. And if you can't hold your, bring a vibrator and the vibrator I used, which is in real life, mouse head at the end, back and forth, ran that into

the and then you f*** the and the on these whittles. shi-s-bitts, girlfriends, side bids, fiancé's wives until they go like it's Niagara Falls. Then also, let's do it. Svriott and eat-smoke britts, guzzle vodka, drink beers, do shots. Studeation loves you, the world loves you,

I love you, be great, take no shit from the one you're never overmatched. Red and a roll, right in a row, ready to roll, bang! And I become a little legend. Every time I'm in Chicago with my wife, every time I went my wife, girls, guys come up to me.

We love you, Stu, 15, 15, 30. Oh, my God. Saved our relationship. Saved our lives. We love it. And girls, like, nobody's ever eaten my ass before. My husband eats my shit now. My boyfriend eats my a bitch because of you.

I've never used the vibrator. We now use the vibranor with the my ass because of you. One of the greatest things I've ever invented. I was on the phone I was on the phone My dad Yesterday we were talking about Like who was coming in this weekend

And I'm like Stu Feiner's coming in And he was like Who is that And then I reminded him Who it was He's like Oh yeah

Because he watched The video we played earlier He watches that And he remembered your show From back in the day But he's like What are you going to talk about I'm like

It'll go anywhere I'm sure We'll probably get into the 15 1530 And then I had to explain To my dad With the 15 1530 was.

That was, he almost swerved off the road. Oh. You know, we didn't go beyond that. That's where it would have gotten weird. I'm doing like hundreds of thousands of a year, a year in cameos. The cameo video. And every cameo, I do the 15, 15, 30.

Every cameo. Certain people go, Stu, can you do me a favor and cut that 15, 1530 out? This was for a fucking birthday party. I'm an 18-year-old. Teach him y'all. young I was going to ask you what the secret is to a good sub 40 year marriage in the middle of all this drama and stuff you went through but I feel like we might have our answer and we

were virgins and you were virgins you know first cuts the deepest and again I'm a six she's a 10 she's never get rid of me now have you seen what my wife looks like in 1980 can we how are we going to show this I mean I'll hold it up to the camera oh can we Google her is she on there Oh, wait, no. Google my Twitter. Google my Facebook. Stuart Feiner. And then you could blow up the picture of the profile picture. Okay. You have it over here on your phone, too. While we're killing time, we'll let Danny do that. Let me, uh, it's F-E-I-N-E-R. Yeah. And then, oh, why? We'll do Facebook. Yeah, yeah. Oh, Facebook?

Okay. Stu Feiner, click that first one. Yeah, that third one, right there. Oh, the third one right there. There is. All right, let's blow that up. And the one right under it. All right, click the profile picture.

Perfect. All right, leave that. And then come over here, Danny. Hit Camera 7. On DVE 3. Boom, there we go. You weren't kidding, still. You got a good-looking wife.

And then that one's from Maui, and that's Kauai. 1980. And you hung on to her all this time. Yeah, well, I mean, thank God. Thank God for me. Yeah. Not for you. There was a line out the door for her. There was no line for me. Where did you come up with the 15, 50, 30? Was there just... I swear to God, in a second, it came to me, hey, how do I relate? How does a 57-year-old guy that is a total... Pervert, obviously. Yeah, but you had the system already, obviously. Yes.

No, no two ways about it. I just, but I never put it in words. And I'm like, it just came to me. It was brilliant. It just came to me as the most funny thing ever, and I just banged it out. And they loved it. Like, you know, Bar still couldn't get enough of it. They're fans.

Like, you know, DePaul and I wasn't so thrilled. You know, he didn't bury it. He allowed me to say it and do it. You know, like, I'm not. I'm not actually Dave Portnoy's cup of tea. He's a big fan. He loves me. He respects me, but I'm a lot.

You know what I mean? You're not a lot. You know, like three weeks ago, I destroyed him on our show. And he was pissed about it, you know, because there's nobody in the company that could say, hey, Dave Portnoye, suck my cock, you fucking scumbag, because they'll get fired. But he allows me to do it. So he doesn't really like, he loves me, but doesn't like me. You know what I mean? I'm a lot.

But he allows me to do what I do because he understands what I do. You know, like I would die for that fucking guy. I mean, I would shoot someone in the head. I would take a bullet for him. I would do a bit in jail. A lot of my friends want to kill someone to get in his good graces.

So anytime he would have a problem, I would solve the problem, although he'd never ask me to do it because he knows I'm a lunatic. They wouldn't really fucking happen. You know what I'm saying? But he's been very, very, very, Very good to me.

Insane good. Because no one really would touch me. None of the other networks, ESPN, Fox Sports, nothing would touch me because of a lot of my checkered past. He gave you this second act in life. 100%. Effectively. 100%.

That's really cool. Right. I mean, he made me. He literally made my, my, you know, like I have a meat on, I have a lot of meat on the boat. I can hold my own. I'm hysterical. Like when he had busting with the boys work for him. where he had Wilcompton and Tell LaWan.

I was their number one podcast on their whole thing, Bustin with the boys. The only one that beat me was Donald Trump. That was it. It's a high bar. Right. That was it. I was bigger than Joe Rogam's.

I was bigger. I got more fucking views. Wow. So people love my story. But what's really cool is that Dave makes himself from nothing, started off handing out in newspapers. at the train station in Boston, bed on himself, worked so hard all these years,

and a guy that he grew up admiring for something who was successful long before him, now then goes on hard times, reinvents yourself, gets your business back and everything, but then Dave also like fucking explodes, and he comes back to you and is like, hey, I learned stuff from you.

Can we do that here now? It's like the circle of life, you know what I mean? It's fucking awesome. I owe my life. Like, I was the voice for the rock, Spider Cup. Did you see that? I did not see that. Really? Go on my, go on my Instagram. Yeah, go to Stu Fine. Like, there's so many doors that Dave Portnoy opened for me. There's so many things that Dave Portn, that people love me, every, every athlete to A++,

actors, actresses, athletes fucking love me. They absolutely, okay, so scroll down, keep scrolling, keep scrolling. I'll tell you when to get to it. Keep going. All right. Let's get some, let's get some volume. And again, this is because, I mean, this is course of the influence of Dave Portnoy of Barstall. You know, I credit Day Portnoy for 90% of my later success, 90%. Yep. I beat John Hamm. It was me and John Hamm. You and John Hamm. And I got this over John Hamm.

All right. Let's play it. Let's hit the volume down there. You body that still. Was that amazing? You body that shit right there. And then they took care of me. They gave me, you know, they gave me hundreds of tickets for all my friends. They gave me and my wife elite seats, you know, hung out at the course. Everything.

It was unbelievable. Oh, that's awesome. You know, and I create, I credit Dave Portnoy for getting me to that elite level that, you know, like in other words, in reality worldwide and probably a D minus minus personality. But because of day Portnoy in certain circles, I'm an A plus plus. That's awesome. Yeah. But in the middle, we skipped over this, in the middle of all this, like in between the years where you're doing,

where you're all over the TV doing the commercials and then getting back to Barstool, there's a little movie made about you. Yes. Where Al Pacino plays you. Matthew McConaughey's the other one. How does this all go down? Crazy a story of him.

So this kid works for me from 1990 to 1995. The way I got him is I was advertising on an, on a scorephone before I advertised with the one I originally bought. And I gave the guy like 50 grand. The guy re-upped me for a quarter of a million dollars. Supposed to give him the check. And the scorephone announcer says, Stu, they're scamming you.

This guy, Mike Warren, total scam, total low-life scumbag. He was trying to rob me. He's telling me they're getting hundreds of thousands of calls on the scorephone. they're getting none this kid rats them out tells me they fire the kid they closed their scorephone p.s i think my board almost went to jail um i feel bad for the kid because he's out of a job fly him to new york he ends up working for me from 1990 to 1995 he feeds my 900 numbers had a great voice, great salesman, and certain times can get hot. Okay, as it turns out, he was arguably maybe the worst handicap of that ever lived, arguably hitting 20 percent, not 40, not 50,

20. P.S., I say to him, listen, you're fucking killing my business. What we're going to do is we're going to have my brother-in-law pick the games, give them to you, and you'll just feed the numbers with your voice and your salesman ability. He couldn't handle it. Quits. Goes to Australia for two weeks. Comes back and works at the Riviera Country Club a caddy. He caddies Danny Gilroy, Renee Rousseau's husband, who's a screenwriter.

Dustin Hoffman. Danny Gilroy hit a 50-foot putt because Brandon advised him properly. Dustin Hoffman gives him 20,000 on the spot. Says we're going to do the movie. Sits on Hoffman's desk, 98, 99, 2000. Hoffman says it can't do it. Goes back to Renee Russo. Renee Russo shops it.

2001, two, three, four. last house on the block Jim Robinson of Morgan Creek production says let's go everybody that was in the movie Al Pacino played me Renee Russo played Sandy Matthew McCona Hay played Brandon

Amanda Sante played a customer that in like fake land we robbed and all and they used my TV show in the movie where I had to sign off on it the sports advisors were you at Al Pacino

Matthew McConae and Jeremy Piven on my TV show in the movie but so prior to that so in 1998 uh we're right before my downfall we're killing 16 million 800 us 8 million on live meaning the salesman wrote it and 8 million on 900 numbers that this kid had a number that was doing like a million dollars my 900 860 321 10 was the biggest 900 number in the country that I was feeding myself did three million i bumped it to a 50 line that did another million brandon did a million and then all the other handicapped is that were on my score phone did another like three million combined so we had like we did

like we did eight million that year so brandon uh so one of my salesman comes down to you if it's goes dude you know did you know uh dustin hoppin's playing you in a movie i go get the fuck back on the phone you swear to god my cousin in Arizona and Renee Russo and Dustin Hoffman are fucking riding horses and they own a security firm and they're keeping paparazzi's away. And I swear to God, Dustin Hoffman said I'm playing this Jewish guy, Stu Feiner, from New York. I go, I go, tell your fucking cousin to get me the number. So they give me Danny Gilroy's number, Renee Russo's husband. I call him up on the phone. I go, listen, you low-life scumbed cock sucker.

I'm gonna pull a bullet through your fucking head and fuck your wife in front of YouTube and come on her fucking face. Who to fuck are you to make a movie about me and you don't fucking tell me? Okay. Now, just a little backstory before that. I was doing so well after Brandon left. I said, fucking, let me get back to this fucking kid.

We're making, I'm making millions of dollars. I think I'm set for life. I'm about to be a hundred million dollar guy. Couldn't find the kid. Kid went like undercover. Couldn't find. him. I leave that message on Danny Gilroy's fucking phone.

Ten seconds later, my phone rings. Stoitz, Brandon, what are you doing? Fucking threatening Danny Gilroy. You're going to ruin the whole deal. I go, what deal? P.S. comes back to work for me and took him like six years to make, to get the movie done.

Right before the movie's released, this scumbag quits. and says that he didn't work for me. He tried to separate himself from me as if it was all him. Now, the movie's like 80% bullshit, 20% true. He never picked a game ever for the live service. He only picked for his unique 900 number. That was Michael Anthony.

And I gave him the name, Michael Anthony, a million-dollar man because there used to be a show in the 50s and 60s where this guy would randomly come to your door and give you a million dollar check. So I thought it was a great, and I think he never picked for the 800 service. The people upstairs that were on the floor. It was me and him hanging out.

We used to play pool together, bought him a Porsche, gave him license place, 900 King. He ran everywhere with me. People hated him because they were jealous of him. But he never picked live. He wrote, he's in the movie. It looks like he did. He never did.

And it's not in the movie that he was the worst handicapped of ever lived that fucking hit 20%. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. But that's the whole story with the fucking movie. Oh my God. So it's not like you were like the executive producer or anything. You found out like later. No, no, nothing. This is like when you're going through it too. Except I had to sign off to allow them to use my TV show, the sports advisors. Right. And then once the movie came out, he tried to disassociate myself from him. You know, but then we buried him and, you know, he.

You buried him? Now he's, yeah, as far as, you know, he said this guy's a low, low, life a scam. Like he has a record of being a winner on Super Bowls, the person, this guy, Al Raleigh, that worked for me and him at the time, because we had 900 numbers together. This other guy, Steve Buden Week, became partners. Steve Booden fucked

me. Arali fucked me. And they passed posted a record for him where they, Al Raleigh put that he won 18 straight Super Bowls. Like they passed, he didn't, he didn't even pick any. Right, he just picked it. So whatever you see his record, it's just a total fucking scam. And he's underground, because

he owes people money to this day. Oh, he does. He will not show his face because somebody's going to grab him and maybe crack his face or, you know, make him pay the money, but he's balls broke. You know, he's like he's underground. You're not underground. No, no, no. You're above ground.

I'm fucking, hey, all the world to say. That's it. That's it. But that's like, so did you talk to Al Pacino at all? Nothing. He never talked to you about playing the role. And the funniest thing was this. Al Pacino met him once and hated him.

You did? No, Al Pacino met Brandon once. hated him and Al Pacino made him not be allowed to be on the set of anything that was going on because he hated him. Wow. And Al Pacino's known as like the nicest dude ever. Hated him because he's a scumbag in reality. Wow. You know.

Well, it all works out in the long term. It all worked out. You get to say Al Pacino played you. Exactly. You signed off on it. You're a good sport. Exactly. People know the truth now.

Exactly. You're out there bigger and badder than ever. Exactly. everything that you invented in the 90s has been now reused and reinvented and you're at the middle of it? It's the coolest. It's the coolest story.

You seem happy as a clam, too. And I hold, listen, I hold no ill will for Brandon, even though he's a low-life scumbent, a piece of shit. And he got what he fuck was coming where he has to hide himself because he owes people money. You know, I got no ill will with Al Raleigh

who I made. This guy was to fucking pay, making $30,000 sucking dick on a corner. And I made money for him. And this guy, Steve Boudin, who I made it, his father. I did business. with his father made his father was the one who got me sports dot com and sportsbook.com

his father was great his father died and then i went partners with the son steve and the son is a fucking piece of shit an entitled scum bag that fucking you know would fuck your mother would fuck your daughter out of a dollar you know what i'm saying the worst so but i hope but even though i say those things i hold no ill will because you know anybody that you hate that lives in your heart, lives in your soul, it's like a cancer. You can never allow any negativity to live rent-free in your head. Matter of fact, the people that have harmed me that have done damage to be, severe damage, like crazy shit, I pray for.

That's good for you. I pray for them because it works. Like, how do you get rid of things that are killing you, that are bothering you that just are you're obsessed with you do you pray for them and you pray good things for them and you do writing assignments and then you write assignments you write all your feelings on a piece of paper about whatever subject is bothering you and then you burn it oh i would pay to see that before you burn it and that and that works so well because you you you have to do almost a daily flushing of your life you know there's people that have harmed you it's people

that you hate. There's people that certain times have rolled you for no reason. And, you know, how do you get rid of that? You can either stuff it. You can ignore it, but most people can't ignore it. It rolls. It's not human to ignore it. Correct. So you pray for them on a daily basis and you do writing assignments and burn it. You know, I was taught that through Overeaters Anonymous. Over Eater's Anonymous. I went from 262 to 139 in Overeous Anonymous. Yeah. Same thing with Gamblers Anonymous and Narcotics Anonymous where it's a 12-step program and it teaches you how to, you know, pray for the people that have harmed you and do your writing assignments and reading assignments.

Yeah, you were saying earlier. In the movie, too, for the money, there's a scene where we go to Gamble's Anonymous and this is true. This literally happened. I went to a Gamble's Anonymous meeting and I got a sponsor because we were doing the Sports Advisors TV show in Murr. Merv Griffin's Resorts Hotel. They'd fly us from Long Island to there.

But P.S. I'm there for two days. So what's the difference of I'm making 20,000, 30,000 a week on the show if I'm at the casino, losing it. Right. So I went to the meeting and I explained to the people. I said, listen, I'm a great handicapper. One of the biggest in the world. I'm doing a show in Merva Griffin's Resource.

I'm here because I don't want to bet casino. No. Everybody stood up. They almost fucking killed me. They're like, get the fuck out of here. You're a fucking scam. You're praying on us. You rude. I had to run out of the fucking room. And that's in the movie. That's true. I remember that. That's true. That's a little bit of a conflict of interest, if you will, been in that. That's wild. But it's like you had said earlier you, like, you find peace in praying and you also said, like, meditating as well. Yes. That helps you kind of, like, center yourself? thousand percent when did you start doing that um 1984 i went to i went to as an outpatient

it's south oaks hospital it's like a psychiatric ward but they had uh inpatient people there for over is anonymous they had people who were like four 500 pounds that lost 300 pounds i befriended a guy there um that um owned screw magazine so in the 80s it was playboy penhouse and screw screw was like the sluttiest disgusting things where girls were fucking dogs and and fucking horses with cox this big and eating you know just like really slutty girls and the quality of the girl was like a five rather than playboy was a nine penthouse was a 10 the guy that owned it Al goldstein screw magazine loved me fucking you know best friends he gets out he has a gazillion dollars you know i meet ron jeremy i go to some of his fucking shoots that he has with these fucking people watching

the porn and action it was it was fucking crazy but you know off a fat boy i mean him what a fucking life what a fucking life you're you're another one of those forest gump type people right like like you're the far as gump of gambling if that's the thing but stew man the stories i mean we'd be here like another six hours i got i keep going we're going to have to do them another time but you you've lived a hell of a life man it's nice to see you like getting to enjoy it now and thank you no pun intended cash in on that and yes kind of bring back the culture that that that you built in a fun way at bar stool and i also really appreciated your thoughts on like gambling and and you know i guess the positives of that when you're having fun because you can versus like the negatives of fucking

betting away your rent and doing shit when you're young and and looking out for the kids that maybe you think are doing that in in your audience now because you know you have a little bit of a responsibility there is as an older figure too to like understand like hey you should get addicted to some of this stuff so that's that's important for that voice to be there as well I appreciate that a lot and I appreciate the platform appreciate having me on means the world love you very much I feel like we've been hung out to a whole life now it's great That's great. We're going to have to talk again sometime. Yes.

People can get you on Twitter, on Instagram, Facebook. We'll link that all down below. Anything else you want us to link? No, I mean, StuFauner.com is where I sell my picks. Website. And then Be Likestu.com is where I advertise cameos and I have my merch. Got it. And then, you know, the Twitter, Instagram and Facebook.

Got it. All right. We'll put it all down there, sir. Very cool. Thanks for being here. Love you very much. All right. Thanks for the opportunity.

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