Julian Dorey Podcast - #36 - Jackson Hollowell

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Starting point is 00:00:39 We can't talk about this without the greatest example of all time. Oh, let's go. Let's hear it. What's the greatest example? I don't know. You got to give it to me. Come on. Movie. Very famous director.

Starting point is 00:00:52 Reroad some history in a very ridiculous way. Oh, you're talking about Inglourious Basterds. Oh, yeah, baby. As soon as you said Reroad History, I knew immediately. Oh, yeah. Now, Inglourious Basterds is without a doubt a top ten, or I think it's a top fiver for me. Is that your number one Tarantino? Oh, yeah.

Starting point is 00:01:16 What's cooking, everybody? When I was growing up, I was an enormous, enormous fan of films and TV shows. And I watched everything. I mean, if it was new and it was good, I watched it. If it was new and it was bad, I watched it to see how bad it was. If it was not new, I watched it. If it was old, I watched it. If it was as old as my grandma, I watched it. And on the very rare case where it was not new, I watched it. If it was old, I watched it. If it was as old as my grandma, I watched it. And on the very rare case where it was actually older than her, I watched it. Obviously, that's a lie. My grandma's not old at all.

Starting point is 00:01:52 But you get the point. I even watched foreign films. Like, I wouldn't even know what the hell these people were saying. Probably didn't know what happened in them. But I'd like the angles, see what the cinematography was, what the facial expressions were. And I would just kind of enjoy the art of it, so to speak. But the last five years or so, especially the last two, but even like the last five, I don't get to watch much anymore. You know, it's the same old excuses.

Starting point is 00:02:18 The life's too busy, got too much going on, I'm trying to build this, whatever. Don't have time for a lot and I miss it. I don't even know what's good or what's not anymore out there. I do know there's a little bit too much content and some of it's got to be shit, but just don't. I'm not up with it. Furthermore, I've also found myself in fewer and fewer conversations where I'm talking about films and TV shows, where I'm really shooting the shit on the good stuff or fighting over the good old fights of what was great where other people think it was bad and vice versa. So on this podcast, as you know, I bring in people from across culture to discuss all different types of subject matters.

Starting point is 00:02:58 And naturally, I felt like we needed a films and TV shows podcast. And boy, did my guest deliver. I am joined in the bunker today by my friend Jackson Hollowell. Jackson and his fiance Alex have had an Instagram films and TV shows blog for the last three or four years. And it is fucking terrific. It's flicks and flicks. So the first flicks is spelled like Flix. The second one is spelled with an

Starting point is 00:03:28 X instead of a C-K-S. And they cover everything, man. I mean, they have every piece of content where basic cameras and lighting were going on and a few $5 producers were actually there collecting it. They got it.

Starting point is 00:03:46 So Jackson came in and I'm looking at my note sheet here. If you're watching and not listening, you can see my chicken scratch here. I had to stop taking notes of all the things we talked about in here. This was the highest octane conversation I've had.

Starting point is 00:04:02 We covered every single genre and creed of films and tv shows that you can i mean it's almost like what did we not talk about i'll start reading it off so you get an idea but there's something in here for everyone the dark knight ben affleck's batman christian bale godfather one two and three entourage the soprano scorsese the departed goodfellas the irishman the chronicle al pacino game of thrones house of cards stranger things south park born trilogy the town homeland dexter daredevil, The Punisher, Brooklyn Nine-Nine, Patriot Day, 30 Rock, Marlon Brando, Robert Downey Jr., Tropic Thunder, Family Guy, The Rock, Tenet, Hans Zimmer, Heath Ledger's Joker, Saved by the Bell, Philip Seymour Hoffman, Ides of March, Green Book, Jake Gyllenhaal, Sex and the City, Chris Evans, Finding Hitler, Hunters, A Star is Born, Brad Cooper, Lady Gaga, Reign of Fire, The McConsants, True Detective, Breaking Bad, Bryan Cranston, Ozark, Steve Carell, The Big Short, Tupac.

Starting point is 00:04:54 I think I skipped 40 of them on that list alone. And then there's a lot I skipped from that list. So there's a lot in here. If you like movies, if you like TV shows, you're going to like this one. Thank you to Jackson for coming in. We'll definitely do this again. I loved it. Anyway.

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Starting point is 00:06:01 I'm Julian Dorey, and this is Trendify. Let's go. This is one of the great questions in our culture. Where is the news? You're giving opinions and calling them facts. You feel me? Everyone understands this, but few seem to do it. If you don't like the status quo start asking questions

Starting point is 00:06:26 that's where i want to get to but you see people like bro you go to miami i've been to miami yeah you go to miami it's good time there's a lot of more people down there now i don't know that you're coming back like you see you got to stay in miami for spurts okay if you lay down your tracks in miami for like a month or two you're lost yeah i've been gone one of my closest buddies like just moved down in the fort lauderdale area fort lickerdale fort lickerdale that's the sixth podcast that's happened shout out pinoc shout out pinoc ah pinoc pinoc good guy uh yeah man he's he moved down to florida and like he just he loves it down there and uh i hope he comes back he's one of my best boys but

Starting point is 00:07:11 like uh for right now i don't i don't see it happening but he tells me he tells me he's happy down there we're just saying he's living it up in glorious california of florida the magic johnson meme i ain't gonna be here that's it i'm gone i'm gone but uh let's let's get to the movies let's do it that's that's what i got you in here for so let's do it first because there's a lot of covid questions about this too because you're like you're a purist that's what i like you're not just like some guy like says oh this is the show of the week like this you live for this shit so yeah first explain flicks and flicks what you're doing you've been doing it for a while now so i like this i also think it should be way bigger than it is because i don't know that

Starting point is 00:07:50 i've ever seen any two people because it's you and your fiancee yeah watch as many things and as many pieces of quality content too yeah that you guys do yeah so it when you when you had asked me when i had started this i couldn't believe that just like, wow. It was back in 2018 when we started doing this. When it really started, though, it was probably about 2017 area. I kept on Snapchat. Back when Snapchat first developed the stories, I would always post what I was watching. And some people were just like, dude, why the hell are you doing this? But then I had some other people, including somebody like Shenanigans, who would hit me up and be like yo i love this show like like and we'd just be talking about

Starting point is 00:08:28 just like that's what i love start the conversation like like you're all about that just start the con let's have the conversation so i was just like i remember i was not a huge tv person until i met my fiance she has introduced me to most of the major tv shows because as a kid i was always playing sports so like watching movies was easy. But watching the long-forward television was hard. So she got me really into re-watching TV shows. I was certain you were going to the NBA. It's still a shame to this day.

Starting point is 00:08:53 To the NBA. Either way. NBA. Well, I stopped growing at like... I got to 6'2 at like the sixth grade. And then I just stopped. Never developed a real jump shot. Sucks when that happens.

Starting point is 00:09:04 Yeah. So then it just got to the point we were literally just having dinner with each other. And we're just like, you know what? People just keep asking us for recommendations and stuff. Why don't we just like put a blog together or whatever? And it was like at a time when everybody was just like on Instagram and everything. So we're just like, if we just make an Instagram page and we just post like little reviews, little just like blurbs being like hey like check this

Starting point is 00:09:25 show out you've never heard of it i promise you you'll enjoy it just be like dude don't even bother with this one it sucks and then for me i am i love movie trailers i love i just love trailers in general like i love getting ready for that next one so i was just like you know what i'm gonna start posting trailers for stuff too because i feel like like people are gonna like they're gonna read the reviews if they want but like the trailers is kind of where it like it gets people hook in like i had a good friend of mine saying like dude i'll sometimes just go to your page and like i'll just watch like the the latest 10 trailers that you posted and i just realized that an hour went by and i was like good hopefully i'll hopefully take the welcome to tiktok yeah welcome to tiktok luckily i've not gone down the tiktok trend but uh i have gone down a few reels where you just

Starting point is 00:10:09 like we've been watching people's reels for like two hours but uh that's pretty much how it started and god almost like three years later we're still doing it like i just like we just like talking about shit yeah and and the best part about doing it is now that whenever we see people in person they just be like oh yeah you guys are like the movie tv tv people like they just go right into it and i'm like i just met you but we already just had a 30 minute conversation talking about so and so and not only that but in that 30 minutes i've gathered a time of who you are like like just based on like what you're watching and stuff it's like it's helped me like just be able to talk and reach out to people and it's also like i haven't seen you in in five years and i'm so happy that we're doing this because we'll have a chance to talk about stuff it's opened up that

Starting point is 00:10:54 kind of opportunity which i really loved about it yeah and and you guys are pretty much as you said like on instagram you build a nice little following there but i want to see you go beyond there as well because i i think you guys have hit a nice niche here because you don't there are people who do this don't get me wrong like there's plenty who are out there but you guys put everything on there i mean like i actually i hate instagram stories i only do them because literally like i have to for this right yeah definitely but i actually go through your stories because I'm always like, wait, what, what does that end? And I'm so behind the last couple of years. I was such a content buff growing up and every fucking thing the last couple of years, I never watch anything. So I'm like, what, what's even out there? Like what's going on? So you're kind of

Starting point is 00:11:38 keeping me in the loop there, but it's, it's, it's, it's really impressive, man. And that's, that's what I love about this. What you can do with the stories is like, yeah, I'm following a lot of the major movie TV news outlets. And they have a story come up, somebody cast in something, whatever. You put it on the story. You put up a poll. People react to it. And I've been shocked by the amount of people that have actually reacted to polls I've been having. It's like, oh, man, I guess there is a bit of a little bit of a following.

Starting point is 00:12:01 That's great. But it's always the people reaching out the most asking, hey, watched two episodes of this show i'm not really into it do you have any like idea about going i'll be like yeah like i'm two more episodes in just give it another chance keep going big now you can stop but like i just like having the conversation with somebody because especially when it comes to like major franchises and stuff there's always divide and i live in that divide like i love being in the gray area and listening to both sides because like people can just be absolute extremists as you know and i think that that no not at all but uh that's been the best

Starting point is 00:12:37 part about doing this is just like listening to the conversations that i had and just getting an idea of what people like and what people hate and because they're like when people hate on something especially now in today's internet world like they they tell you how much they hate oh yeah the backlash and everything and the fan divides like I feel like the fan divides thing has been has been the real thing what are some of the worst ones you've seen like when it when it's people fighting between what's better like the marvel movies or the dc movies. That's always, that's probably the biggest one. The biggest one came though when like people reacted to, did you see, like, I don't know what kind of a Star Wars guy you are. I respect the fuck out of Star Wars.

Starting point is 00:13:16 Okay. I am not a big Star Wars fan, but I, I mean, what George Lucas did there, I've seen most of the movies. Some of the recent ones I haven't seen, like maybe the last couple. Yeah. They're excellent. But it's the same thing like Lord of the Rings. I don't go and watch the Lord of the Rings for fun. I've seen them all.

Starting point is 00:13:33 I've probably seen a couple of them two times. They're excellent. It's not necessarily my cup of tea, but you know. Yeah. But I know that when the second movie came out, the episode seven, The Last Jedi, that was the biggest fan divide. People were saying like, how could you do this to Luke Skywalker?

Starting point is 00:13:49 You've had 35 years of people just coming up with stories on the playground pretending to be Luke Skywalker. Now they're the older people who are being influential and people just didn't like it. They didn't like what they did to the character. And what did they do to the character? I definitely didn't see that.

Starting point is 00:14:04 Well, they made him just like this lonely hermit and that he has literally thrown away his lightsaber he's thrown away everything he doesn't want to he's separate himself from the force and he doesn't doesn't want to do it i'm like that is not the character i know that would have been from return of the jedi yeah but like when i saw it the first time i remember just being like all right they went with it and then i saw it again i'm like at that point i was just like okay this is what they're doing with the character let's just watch it and i think it's a good movie but when it comes down as a good star wars movie no no so from like isn't george lucas out of it now he's he's out so when disney bought it i believe they bought it back in like 2012

Starting point is 00:14:42 and it was right after they had recently purchased Marvel, too. So people were just like, Disney's really taking this place over. And they immediately went into production on Episode VII. Right off the bat, they signed Carrie Fisher. They signed Harrison Ford. They signed Mark Hamill. And everybody's just like, yes, we cannot wait to see all three of these people back on the screen again. Did you ever see the first one? Did you ever see the force awakens yeah so then you're going through the

Starting point is 00:15:08 movie i'm like i like i love that i think that's a great it's probably one of the better ones that they've made in the recent ones so there's some of harrison ford's better movies too yeah period sure like he was excellent i mean i'm a huge indie guy and and when it comes to that even as his jack ryan movies i like but uh like it was just like you had a chance to put these three characters back on the screen together and they don't share the screen once once that do you know how disappointing it is and then when carrie fisher passed away and you're just like then now it's definitely never gonna happen and you're just like i i can't believe it you had over 30 years to put stories

Starting point is 00:15:46 together for these guys and and they rushed it they didn't have a plan but when i tell you now star wars is a plan and that is on actually on tv now really yeah i know nothing about that okay so you know about the mandalorian like yes the man like it's been it's been talked about and john favreau who everybody knows like did iron man pretty much helped get the marvel universe oh good actor too i just realized i literally said this to my fiance i said john favreau has lived the life i always wanted he was a great actor he then got into directing great directing now he's directing all of his nerd fandom that he's

Starting point is 00:16:25 wanted to do his entire life he's done everything i wish i could iron man i yeah he did the first two did the first two iron man movies and now he's behind the show guy came from swingers i love swingers he's underrated he is really he's very underrated i was actually doing a recent friends rewatch with uh with my fiancee because I actually never had seen it all the way through. I've just seen pretty much every episode. And Favreau was in it. I was like, I had no idea Favreau was in this show. And then I always think of Favreau and the replacements

Starting point is 00:16:53 where he's just like the crazy linebacker. Dude, Favreau was in The Sopranos. He was in The Sopranos. That's right. Favreau was everywhere. He was in it as himself, I think. Yeah, he was in it as himself directing. Yeah, he was just like.

Starting point is 00:17:03 Oh, that was the episode where Chris was teaching him how to say bad words in Italian. Yeah, yeah. And they're like, bucchiac! They're like, what does bucchiac mean? Yeah, we'll go with it. Well, speaking of that, they're actually doing a prequel movie to The Sopranos. The Many Saints of Newark. The Many Saints of Newark.

Starting point is 00:17:21 Good old Newark, New Jersey. Yeah. Yeah. But Newark was completely different back in the... During the riots. During the riots and all that. So I'm really looking forward to that because I know like Jon Bernthal's in it.

Starting point is 00:17:31 And like, if you know Jon Bernthal... I know Jon Bernthal well. Daredevil. Daredevil, yeah. He's the Punisher. Punisher, Punisher. But he opened it. He opened it in Daredevil.

Starting point is 00:17:41 Yep, he's the Punisher. And then what the hell is the one guy's name? He was Owen Schlater in Boardwalk Empire. He was Daredevil yep he's the punisher and then what the hell is the one guy's name he was owen schlater in uh boardwalk empire he was daredevil uh you know oh charlie cox yeah charlie cox i liked both of those shows yeah so i remember i that was the reason why i got netflix was because they were releasing daredevil back in 2015 i was like this this was the show that got me and then eventually hooked on after as i said that was before like that was the drug this was the show that got me and then eventually hooked on after. As I said, that was before. That was the drug.

Starting point is 00:18:06 That was the drug. That was it. That was the first free taste. And then it became really bad after. But I love those shows. But like, geez, I don't remember where we were starting, where this led. Started with Star Wars. Started with Star Wars.

Starting point is 00:18:18 He was going through the arguments around that. Yeah, let's go. It was Mandalorian. We got down to the rabbit hole. We got there. All right. So we're talking about Jon Favreau and the Mandalorian. So this show is supposed to take place like a few years after return of the Jedi. So like, like it's now like we have this 30 year gap that we have

Starting point is 00:18:34 between episode six and episode seven, like seven being the newer of the sequel trilogy, whatever. And this show is literally just like complete fan service as well as like because they have great actors in there they have like pedro pascal john carlo esposito and what they did was at the end of the first season they there's a certain item that that shows up that then takes it back to the show to the animated shows which have been huge because yes if you didn't even know star wars has animated shows that are beloved that people now i did know that they used to be on like cartoon network yeah the clone wars yeah yeah yeah so the clone wars was basically between episode two episode three and they took you through and one of the creators behind that

Starting point is 00:19:21 was also creator of this show brought in one of his famous characters. Because people don't even know is that Anakin Skywalker had who, you know, Darth Vader. But when he was younger, he had a Padawan. He had a student named Ahsoka Tano that was created in this show. And what Dave Filoni, the guy who created the show, then brought this character into live action, which has never been done before. And now the show is getting a whole new spin-off so what they've done is they created this pocket like sort of micro universe between these shows that are just going to be going forward interconnected shows just like

Starting point is 00:19:55 what marvel does that's what i'm saying and that gets a little confusing like because they just and and here's here's a big problem I have with modern-day content creation. Like we saw the golden age come in where TV suddenly became high quality. The Sopranos brought in that era where they put movies on TV and really HBO and having a preview. HBO was the first to do it. Right. So then you had The Wire come out of that and it just kind of continued. But at some point here, don't know i can't necessarily tell you an exact year but i started to notice where obviously when these companies are making

Starting point is 00:20:32 a lot of money they got to grow their public companies like a netflix stuff like that they got to keep creating content and then it becomes a speed game and so then they're creating a lot and remind remind ourselves like they have a lot more tools than they did 20 years ago making movies, right? Completely. Completely different. So all these things at their disposal, they can make shit to the blind eye look incredible. Yeah. What suffered, in my opinion, with all the content coming out is a lot of the storylines and the writing.

Starting point is 00:21:00 And then even the acting. Because, look, great acting needs solid writing. Of course. You can't have a shit script. I mean, I could put fucking Marlon Brando, bring him back from the dead with Audrey Hepburn, and if you give him Gigli, that movie's going to suck. Like, that's what it is. I feel like whenever it goes back to Ben Affleck sucking, it always goes back to Gigli.

Starting point is 00:21:18 Yeah, he's another one. He had a real shift in his career. He was horrible for a long time, and now he's great. I'm a huge Ben Affleck fan. He's great. Love Ben Affleck fan he's great love ben affleck huge fan of his batman by the way big fan of it there's an unpopular opinion actually it's not as unpopular as you think really so this is another one let's go right into it who is your

Starting point is 00:21:36 batman because this is every person's question growing up if you're a fan of this it's not michael keaton i'll start there it's not michael keaton it's not my batman naturally say it's christian bale it's christian it's christian bale i will always say that christian bale jackson jackson where were the other drugs where are they where are they but uh yeah but i mean like i grew up on keaton keaton keaton was was like he was the only batman at the time back when back when they were like making a superhero movie every 10 or 15 years ago back in the back in the doc ages and you liked him as batman i loved his batman i did not like his bruce wayne because yeah because he had such that hey how are you yeah because this is this is the thing about batman is that there's there's two separate people.

Starting point is 00:22:26 There's Batman. There's Bruce Wayne. Yes. Bruce Wayne is the facade. He's always Batman. And what I love about Ben Affleck is that when Ben Affleck was portraying his Bruce Wayne, he was acting like he was doing the fake drunk walk around or whatever. And all of a sudden, as soon as somebody comes out of the room, he goes right back into being Batman. And he was the first person, I think, to do it right.

Starting point is 00:22:48 Live action wise. You don't think Bale did it right? I wasn't the biggest fan of Bale's Bruce Wayne. I'll be honest. I wasn't I wasn't the big of it. I wasn't the biggest fan because I also didn't think we didn't get a lot of time with it, too. Like they burned his house down in the first movie. And then the second movie

Starting point is 00:23:05 is just so long but there's so much other stuff going on besides bruce wayne and the third one's just like he lost all of his money now he's got to go get himself out of that huge hole in the middle of nowhere but i don't know that's that's also just my opinion but i know i know there's a lot of there's a lot of people we're gonna throw out a lot of opinions today i like this the comments the comments are going to be going. That's all I meant. Because, man, the DC movies right now have probably the biggest fan base divide ever. So, like, are you familiar with any of the current, like, DC comics movies?

Starting point is 00:23:35 Give me some of them. So, like, it all started because, like, back after The Dark Knight Rises when they just said, we're going to do Marvel's thing. We're going to create the universe. So, like, Man of Steel came out the first superman movie and that came out right i think right after i graduated college like 2013 area that was a dog shit movie you hate that movie see i love that oh god i love see this is exactly what i'm talking about is is the divide that movie i know it can be very divisive but i believe it's one of the definitely one of the better ones that dude looked like a wax figure.

Starting point is 00:24:06 That's the problem. His hair looked like it was wax. I think Superman's a very tough character to crack just because he's the most powerful thing in the world. Christopher Reeve also set the standard there, and you had Marlon Brando as his dad. That's hard to follow up. It's so funny that you bring up Christopher Reeve right now. It's so funny that you bring up Christopher Reeve and marlon brando right now because on my way down driving here i was watching a youtube channel mr sunday movies and he was talking about you were watching

Starting point is 00:24:31 a youtube channel while you were driving uh well you know i was playing in the back i wasn't wasn't watching though some of my friends are looking at me right now he was watching he was watching and uh and he they were talking about just like how Christopher Reeve just nails the dual personality, once again, of Superman and Clark Kent. Like Clark Kent is the facade. He's always Superman. And how Christopher Reeve just had that charisma and that charm whenever he was both, both of the characters. He understood that there was two separate characters constantly fighting at battle with each other. And I love Henry Cavill, who's the current Superman. Shout out. He's on the shirt here. two separate characters constantly fighting at battle with each other and i love henry cavill

Starting point is 00:25:06 who's the current superman shout out he's on he's on he's on the shirt here but uh i i love henry cavill we haven't had a chance to be with him as much which i'm hoping that we see more of him and this is now leading into then the second movie which is probably the the biggest divisive movie ever which is batman versus superman yeah did, which is Batman versus Superman. Yeah. Did you see Batman versus Superman? I did. What are your thoughts on it? I think I watched half of it.

Starting point is 00:25:32 See, that's great because like, I'm sure you saw- I was probably texting the whole time. I'm sure you were. I was not in it. Did you see it in the theater? No. No, you saw it later.

Starting point is 00:25:41 Bro, and we'll talk about theaters later. I love the theater. Can't tell you the last time I was in there. Oh God. And the last saw it later. Bro, and we'll talk about theaters later. I love the theater. Can't tell you the last time I was in there. Oh, God. And the last time I was in there, I had a mask on seeing that new Kevin Costner movie, Let Him Go, which is funny because Costner is Henry Cavill's dad in Man of Steel. But yeah, completely different experience now. But we'll get to that.

Starting point is 00:26:03 We'll get to that later. Back to the DC. Yeah, back to the DC, uh shout out to my my buddies uh steve burke and matt traynor they made sure that i had to go into this topic um don't worry guys we're in the shirt uh but uh this is this is the most divisive movie ever but i remember there was the theatrical cut of it where it was only like two hours long like the studio going into studio interference and all that hate that hated so much so eventually like i saw the theatrical cut hated it did not like it i was like why is superman in the movie for 15 minutes and he was i was like where is his backstory at all there was nothing and it turns out they left over 30

Starting point is 00:26:41 minutes on the cutting room floor i'm like 30, 30 minutes? That's a whole nother movie. This is why TV shows are winning. Well, and this is getting into where I'm coming from, was then they eventually release it on Blu-ray and stuff, and they release this version, and people love the movie a lot more with that extra 30 minutes back in.

Starting point is 00:26:59 The story makes sense, and it's a different take. I gotta know why. I grew up on these characters. I love these characters. But then you go into justice league which is the movie well first wonder woman came out after and then it went into and then suicide squad we don't even need to go into that one but then like justice league came out and there was this whole troubling issue with the whole creation of it like like first zach snyder who directed those first two movies was

Starting point is 00:27:24 directing it and then they asked for rewrites because people hated the movie so then they rewrote it then they shot it then they said hey we need to do some reshoots they reshoot most of the movie again and then they say oh we're gonna we're gonna kind of kick you off the project they used his excuse of of his daughter passing away saying like hey he's, he's stepping away. Oh, man. Yeah, we're gonna bring in Joss Whedon. And Joss Whedon, if you don't know, he directed like the first two Avengers movies known for like Buffy the Vampire Slayer

Starting point is 00:27:54 and that kind of stuff, deep into comic lore. He comes in, do the reshoots, and this is when Henry Cavill's mustache comes into play. Do you remember this story? No. So he was shooting the latest Mission Impossible movies, which love those movies. He has this massive mustache.

Starting point is 00:28:09 And then they have to go in for more reshoots. And Paramount's like, no, you can't let him shave his mustache. So they have to go in, reshoot his scenes as Superman. Then they CGI his lip. Come on. Go in, go on YouTube, watch his scenes where he has the cgi lip it looks awful it looks absolutely terrible and it was the biggest laughing stock ever and then like the whole company just pretty much shift but now what's coming out and what this shirt is is that zach

Starting point is 00:28:36 snyder got a chance to then re-cut up his old movie reshoot some new things and they're going to release it on hbo max as his original vision i think in like mid-march we're supposed to be getting a new trailer for it on sunday so they went back to it they went back like they like ben affleck even came out and said he was done at batman and then he came back and reshot the scenes because he loved doing the stuff with zach snyder that now this is an important point that a lot of people don't talk about with movies because everyone loves movies or most people do right and and there are a lot of people who know a lot about movies but we don't pay attention to the process of the directors nearly enough in my opinion yeah

Starting point is 00:29:16 no since the beginning of time with movies what these great directors go through to get their vision done is not just like oh artistically here's how i want to see it this is what i want to do no no they're dealing with corporations oh yeah they're dealing with companies that are like well now that's going to cost 10 bucks fuck you i mean the the greatest story in my opinion of all time of a director just dying to make his film is francis ford coppola oh yeah and you could argument on Apocalypse Now, which is another one of his movies. That's a whole separate story. That the documentary of making Apocalypse Now

Starting point is 00:29:49 is actually better than the movie? Probably, yeah. No, it is. It is. I've seen it. Still, though, like that whole vision he had there, that was insane.

Starting point is 00:29:57 I mean, probably a lot of acid trips and everything, too. But still, 1971, when they were doing The Godfather, that's the greatest movie of all time it is a perfect film i have seen that movie more than i would care to admit i haven't watched it in two years like what we always have it on the background and christmas on christmas and thanksgiving so that's like your christmas movie the godfather in the background i have made a

Starting point is 00:30:19 point of not really listening to the audio christmas movie watching with like a family i love that just in the background it's like a tradition but know, I've done that so that I can fucking enjoy the shit out of it again because I've probably seen that movie 400 times. I believe in America. America is where it made me in that fortune. I raised my daughter. Dude, I could do the whole fucking movie for you. But to make that film was brutal. It was actually like the worst memory of his life i mean so many butting heads between the actors you keep mentioning brando like brando is considered

Starting point is 00:30:53 like the worst when it comes to people he was the worst the worst but rest in peace with the worst he and frank coppola yeah got along that's good and the whole thing was the studio said martin you know how in the movie he goes johnny fontaine never gets that movie that's what they were saying they're like marlon brando never gets that movie love that but the way they did it was coppola was first of all he wanted pacino and he saw this michael is this dark-haired sicilian kid with eyes that could kill you yeah they wanted fucking martin sheen they wanted robert redford like great actors yeah of course could you imagine robert redford in the goddamn restaurant like staring down salazzo no like you see this this sicilian off the just realizing what your shirt is oh my god i wasn't paying

Starting point is 00:31:42 attention yeah dude you see this sicilian off the boat like first generation just i'm gonna fucking kill you because you tried to kill my dad dude staring him down like al pacino shout out to the goat you know making this scene and then i think of like jeremiah fucking johnson at the table staring down salazzo could you imagine if the studio the guys crunching numbers there let that happen no i mean and this is what happens in the studio game which is one of the one of the things i love like you watch entourage every episode oh man i think i think i probably re-watch that like every two summers that's but like it literally shows you what it's like being inside and you're in that having that talk in that studio and at at one point, like Vince sits down,

Starting point is 00:32:25 he talks to the head of Warner brothers and they have that whole butting heads. And I'm like, I can't imagine what this actually happened in real life. So like, and this is what happened. So they, they,

Starting point is 00:32:34 they took Zack Snyder off this movie. They released this whole new fucking terrible thing. Everybody hated it. I remember, I remember buying it when it came out and re-watching it 20 minutes with my buddy jimmy and we literally just look at each other we just said we can't do this anymore this yeah this sucks because he had a vision it was stripped from him he had a vision and that's what and that's what people like weren't really behind the vision he was going with

Starting point is 00:32:56 he was going for this this darker storyline people were just like where are the jokes where's the where's the marvel aspect of it and they're just like that's not what he's going for he's going for if you if superman was a real person how would the world react it's also hard though it's very hard it's already very hard but it's it's even harder though today because even look at like marvel and everything they do the tv shows now they do let you right now they do now right like i loved the punisher john barnthal as the punisher was fucking incredible i love those shows it was this slow burn right yeah and you got to know this guy and then i remembered the original punisher i never forget the actor's name who played it thomas jane okay thomas jane with with john travolta some people hated that movie i love that I thought it was a great film.

Starting point is 00:33:45 I have a few buddies that they loved that movie. I actually rewatched it not too long ago. Like the scene where they kill his entire family is just fucking nuts. Oh, it's nuts. Yeah. But now you see it in more modern day with a full TV show and a full backstory. It's awesome. And you're in.

Starting point is 00:34:03 Yeah. You're just locked in. Oh, my God. Yeah. full backstory and and you get you you're in yeah you're like just locked in oh my god whereas these movie directors like i thank god every day that the godfather wasn't made today yeah because people wouldn't appreciate it the same these movie directors are required to tell this incredible arc of a story and get you invested in all these characters until the end of time when you've re-watched this movie and over over and over again in 120 minutes yeah you know that's why that's why i love when i find out when a director is like either a producer or a writer

Starting point is 00:34:30 behind the movie because i'm like this is or or scorsese like like come on favorite scorsese movie what is it right now my favorite scorsese movie is goodfellas goodfellas all right i would normally say a lot yeah i would normally say goodfellas as well, but I love The Departed. I think The Departed is probably one of the most quotable things. Me and my friends will go into the Boston accent of doing The Departed all the time. Very terrible. I got to be a hypocrite for a second. Go for it.

Starting point is 00:34:55 Because we did talk about this with somebody, maybe several episodes ago. I think I have come around and The Dep departed is my all-time favorite of his yeah it's just very hard for me to not say goodfellas is because goodfellas is is a perfect movie yeah the departed is a perfect movie yeah it is like everything coming full circle with uh which is the little rat just on just on the just on the end there are you a cop you're caught are you a fucking cop not a fucking cop and that like literally every that that's that's 30 minutes with my friends on the phone like right there just doing that but i also love the wolf of wall street like wolf of wall street but the departed like they can't i mean that was

Starting point is 00:35:35 based on a movie from from japan too yeah infernal affairs or something yeah william monaghan wrote i don't know if you ever read that script it's fucking incredible not much of a reader as you can tell dude if you like like entertaining writing once in a while i mean it's just entertaining as fuck reading that and then you see the movie while like while you're doing it it's it's incredible but there there's so many like that's another one where they found a way to put the narrative in it but guess what Scorsese made it 168 minutes or 169 minutes or something because he can. And so you get those scenes

Starting point is 00:36:09 where he's like, Frank, Frank, am I fucking caught? I'm crazy being fucking caught. Like, there's all these little things that they could do in there that it's like, that would be on the cutting room floor

Starting point is 00:36:21 if some asshole in a suit were coming in and saying like, you know, yeah, no, that that's out. I mean, and that's, that's what I like. Like you have Scorsese, like nobody's going to like,

Starting point is 00:36:29 nobody's going to get in Scorsese. Like, like they wanted to say Scorsese, you can't have a, Oh God, why am I blanking now on the, the Netflix movie that just came out? That was like four and a half.

Starting point is 00:36:38 Yeah. The Irishman, the Irishman, they said, fuck you. They said, they said, they said,

Starting point is 00:36:42 we need this movie to be two hours and and and you can't and like we'll have to get younger actors to do it and scorsese just said no sorry not doing it no sorry paramount sorry warner brothers netflix is willing to put up 250 million dollars to make this and but that's scorsese like now all these young directors they have to first they make like a like a great indie movie and then the second movie is always some franchise movie and that second movie is the make or break for them because if that movie fails you're done over over like i know like one of the one of the bigger ones recently was did you ever see the movie chronicle no wait that was like one of those it's like one of those found footage type movies like the kids have like, they develop, Michael B. Jordan's in it, who I love Michael B. Jordan.

Starting point is 00:37:26 When did this come out? The Chronicle? Chronicle, Chronicle, just Chronicle. First movie, it came out like 2011, 2012 area. But then that director would then go on to direct like that awful Fantastic Four movie. And basically his career just goes downhill from there. But like, which is terrible.

Starting point is 00:37:44 Like that sucks for somebody who's like, and basically his career just goes downhill from there but like which which is terrible like like that that sucks for somebody who's like they've given up like their whole life to to pursue this career and they didn't they didn't really get a get a chance outside of the second movie that probably their agent said you have to do this movie yeah yeah well i see it and and by the way i judge movies on this right away sure like i'm looking at this chronicle right behind you because i i literally have no idea what this is i've never seen this 83 minutes and again it's coming out in 2012 that's when tv's already getting big it's maybe not to the full netflix area yet but still how do you compete i'm gonna know the characters in 83 minutes no i'm not no i mean that's why that's why i said that the tv

Starting point is 00:38:20 generation that's why i said star wars is now coming to TV. And Marvel's doing it too. And you want to know what the best part about what they're doing is they're making it weekly episodes. I'm a huge fan of the binge, love it. But when an episode comes out once every Friday, it builds up that suspense, that water cooler talk. People are like, yo, did you see this new episode of WandaVision last night? My mind is totally blown. You have a week now to just stir in that episode. And then the next episode comes out and starts the conversation over again. I mean, we were still doing that with, and I got to take this one on the chin. Sure. This is one I never watched. I couldn't get into it. I watched like a couple episodes, couldn't do it. Oh, please don't say what I think you're going to say. We were all doing it. We, not including me, we're all doing it with Game of Thrones.

Starting point is 00:39:08 Oh, okay. And that was very recently. Okay. You know, there was still that. And, you know, I think those episodes were like a half hour long or something. No, they shuffle. You can get like a little over an hour to like 45, 50 minutes. Okay.

Starting point is 00:39:20 So either way, they're not like two hours long or whatever. No, they're dense. Yeah. But they were, they're coming out once a week. And was like it was still it was the biggest show on tv dude biggest show it still proved to me that there is still an appreciation of that in a sense yes which surprises me because it's now on streaming what what was what was the first tv show you binged where it was a tv show that came out all at once? Ooh, that's a good question. Uh, I think probably daredevil, like that first season of daredevil when I got Netflix,

Starting point is 00:39:50 I never thought about binging, binging to me back in the day was I had like a DVD of like the two seasons of it. Like I remember probably the first thing I ever binge watched was getting, and it was what brought the show back was family guy like family guy like they released those three volume set of like those first couple of seasons and they killed it they killed it like i remember like they killed it in the dvd sales they brought the show back i remember they rip on it in the first episode back oh yeah we'll be back as long as like greg the bunny gets canceled they probably list like a hundred shows just classic family guy that was one of the ones and yeah like i'm really into the binging. Like when like Stranger Things comes out,

Starting point is 00:40:28 like me and my fiance, we're binging that. Like we're not going to sleep. We're watching the whole thing. But then when you got a show like The Mandalorian or you got the show like The Boys, like do you know what The Boys is on Amazon? No idea what The Boys is. Oh my God.

Starting point is 00:40:39 It's as if superheroes were truly real. Oh wait, I did see some of that. With like the commercial aspect of it. It would have been my show of the year. I put my rankings out every New Year's Eve. It would have been my show of the year if it wasn't for The Mandalorian season two and a certain character coming back.

Starting point is 00:40:55 But I love The Boys. Everybody get out there, watch The Boys. But that's another show where in the first season, it was a bingeable thing. I remember I didn't watch it originally. I watched it a couple months later, and I binged it. And then the second season came in, and they changed it up. They said, we're going to do weekly episodes.

Starting point is 00:41:11 And then people were just talking about it throughout that week. So now these streaming services are like, yeah, certain shows are bingeable. But then there's other shows that we want people to be talking about it. Especially when now you have WandaVision, the new Marvel show. And 2020 didn't have a single Marvel thing since not till 2019 since the last Spider-Man movie. So like people want a year and a half without this. And it was something that was the and like probably the biggest thing in movie movie right now. They're just like, hey, we're going on TV.

Starting point is 00:41:41 I'm a binge guy. Go for it. I'm going to be honest. I think it probably started, you could say, with The Sopranos because I was a little too young when The Sopranos was out. So was I. And so then I saw, I remember they had it on A&E like right away. Okay. And I saw the scene with Big Pussy on the boat, and I was like, what is this?

Starting point is 00:42:03 Because I had seen, the last episode was like on tv so down tony all right can i sit here i'm i'm i'm having trouble breathing i'm having a little trouble breathing he was such a good character oh my god so he was he was a sad one to see so sad but i watched that because i had seen like a little bit of the last episode it was like on tv but like it wasn't really like they're watching it so then i see this scene on a and e i'm like holy shit so yeah like i binged that entire thing it was 86 episodes i was like 13 years old 12 years old whatever i watched the whole fucking thing and i would do that with a lot of shows and then i remember when netflix first was doing this they had house of cards yes and so that that was sorry that was the first that

Starting point is 00:42:46 was the first one was house of cards dude i'll never forget that i had a crazy new year's eve who doesn't and was hungover as fuck yep drove home from wherever the hell i woke up and it was probably like i don't know 11 a.m or something i'm like i am good for nothing today oh you know what let me try this show everyone's been talking about i was up at fucking 4 a.m finishing that shit that's exactly that with me in the first season of thrones hungover watch the whole first season in a day whoa so i don't and now i mean we were talking before this i may have said this on the podcast too the last couple years uncharacteristically i haven't watched fucking anything like i make sure i watch better call saw great show but again i wait till it's done and it comes to netflix like a year later like

Starting point is 00:43:29 i'm a year behind on it i can't do that i can't i can't risk being spoiled that's just me i i guess there are a lot of assholes out there there are never think plenty of assholes especially now like i almost got spoiled on a show that came out on a friday like at like 12 o'clock like pacific time and then you wake up at 7 a.m people have watched and they're already posting shit about i'm like i gotta be off the internet for a day now well you're in you're also in the industry too like you're in the middle of all i'm in the industry yeah you're you're getting spoiled like crazy whereas i'm not going and looking for that like i don't i don't go to i don't even go to twitter and type in better

Starting point is 00:44:03 call saul you know so i'm not as worried about that. But I get it because that ruins shit. Yeah. But I'd have to think of an example. But there are definitely some shows where I knew how it ended and then watched it. Oh, yeah. And it didn't ruin it. I mean, technically, part of The Sopranos was that because you see that scene with Pussy.

Starting point is 00:44:21 Sorry for anyone that hasn't watched the show, but you should have at this point. When it comes to spoilers, if a show has been out for over five years like whatever when it when it comes to spoilers in general i'm like if it comes to if it comes to a movie i give people like like a month like if they haven't seen it like i won't talk about it but you haven't seen it in the first month that you weren't interested in seeing it like and that's a high standard that's that's my standard that's that's the jackson hollowell standard but uh like when it came to i mean when it came to game of thrones it went with me and my buddies we had a rule that if it came out sunday night we weren't allowed to talk about it till tuesday

Starting point is 00:44:52 because i know some people just couldn't see it sunday so we gave them monday but like that monday we'd be texting each other back dude can you just fucking watch it already like jesus like i want to talk about this thing but uh yeah it's it's it's tough to avoid spoilers especially with with some that happened in the mandalorian that i don't want to spoil for you because i want you to watch this but i also yeah but i want you to watch that but yeah i mean the bit the binge model is is an interesting model for sure uh i think it definitely fits a lot more with people today because they just want their shit now just got to eat up eat up but then like it stops being talked about a week later that is an important point because we are i think we brought this up earlier and and went down some pathway on it but we are so

Starting point is 00:45:39 desensitized to new content yes that even the most exciting awaited content that comes out when it comes out all at once yeah like it like then the next thing's coming right whereas when you have that weekly model like people were talking about game of thrones the final season i guess it was like eight episodes that was it that was it for like eight nine weeks there whatever it was you just said game of thrones final season you brought me back to a few bad memories unfortunately yeah but still like that was the talk yeah exactly so it had staying power and that's what they're sort of kind of bringing back again like because they're just like look we have a streaming platform we could put this out whenever we want we don't like everybody's like we want it all now but then you don't realize that you love more

Starting point is 00:46:21 the build-up that's what makes a show that's what makes you remember yes like that's what makes it because like you watch stranger things in a day and you're not talking about it in like two weeks or so people forgot about it i waited for the irishman for 13 years but and and actually that's another great example too of you were talking about scorsese's vision how yeah how ironclad he was on it half the reason he had to do the cgi to all these actors is because they had this movie 13 years ago that they wanted to do and no one would let him do it no we would let him do and then he was waiting for someone to let him do it he said well you know they got a little old still want to use them but yeah i mean it's we have such a build-up of

Starting point is 00:47:00 things coming out because of the binging yeah right so that i think we talked about this too like we're all over the place doesn't matter we can go all over the place fuck it but this is my daily conversation anyway but you know we because of that there's so much choice out there and there's so much shit oh yeah writing shit yeah i won't even go to the actors on some of them because again like bad script you're fucked before you even start only really amazing actors can turn a true shitty script into something i guess yeah yeah but it's maybe corona will accidentally fix some of that because and i don't know much about this i'm sure you're more well in tune but obviously they shut down production for a while

Starting point is 00:47:45 there yep and they resumed it on a lot of cases but how much longer is it like how many things got cut do you know percentages or like what's happening out there i don't know percentages well the only thing i do know is that like netflix they they had like at one point they had put like eight billion dollars into their their new content creation, like $8 billion. And that's everything. TV shows, documentaries. That's like everything, all of it. Because they realized, hey, look, we got to spend like $500 million just to keep The Office on.

Starting point is 00:48:19 Like The Office, like the number one show on any streaming platform like Netflix for years, The Office. It doesn't matter if a new show came out. The Office was always number one show on any streaming platform like netflix for years the office it doesn't matter if a new show came out the office was always number one and that would cost them so much money that like they literally couldn't afford to keep it on so that's why they started slashing prices meanwhile how much did the office cost i mean like i don't know how much the office but like i know like hbo max bought south park for like500 million. Yeah, that's... One shot. That's it. They don't have to pay anymore. I'm pretty sure they will now

Starting point is 00:48:52 just have South Park on HBO Max going forward. I'm sure there's probably renegotiated talks that happen, but I think they had to spend a billion dollars on Friends to steal Friends. Think about it. Netflix has to pay a billion dollars just to keep one show on and then they have friends the office that's why they're not on there anymore but now they're reinvesting their money to get to create as much

Starting point is 00:49:13 original content because now eventually we're going to go to netflix there's not going to be anything else on there besides original content that's what i'm saying though have they even pulled back on that though with corona like has Corona forced them to say, nope, we had 10 projects there, now we have five? Yes, they have cut many, many good shows. Good. Many good shows. Well, not the good ones. I don't want to say good at the good ones.

Starting point is 00:49:32 No, there are good ones that got cut. Like what got cut? Ones I was into was Glow, which had to do with the female wrestlers. That show is hilarious. And it was supposed to get a final season and and it won't anymore because they like the budget just won't happen like like they got cut like it's that sucks that was a pure cut from corona like they were intending to do it and then like they were

Starting point is 00:49:56 like nope not gonna do anything else big uh there was one there was actually one quality small show that had the best first season shockingly it was called teenage bounty hunters it's about these two little girls in like north carolina who eventually they're twins and they become bounty hunters like i'm thinking of a different one yeah you're definitely thinking trust me not that many people have seen this show but i suggest watching the first season it ends on an awesome cliffhanger and there won't be a season two and like that's the worst because people they're like every single show has a fan base somewhere what about what about mine hunter like mine hunter i'm pretty sure i i can't remember but i'm pretty sure it's not coming back for a season three or at least it's taking a while because david fincher who i think could be one of the best directors out there

Starting point is 00:50:40 directs every episode writes it and it's just like look i have other stuff i gotta do like we'll we'll come back to this and i know like the lead character uh holden and jonathan groff he's off doing other stuff but but but how does so hold on a second he's got other things to do which implies that other projects are allowing him to go forward while netflix is saying no we're not shooting this right now well yeah we're not and and the worst corona it will know that just because like he's off doing other shit like like too like he's got other passion projects and stuff and then you got the actors who are on holding deals and then eventually those years run out and they're no longer like like that episode of entourage where they keep uh they keep johnny drama on a holding deal like like like they have that like it's stuff like that i'm not a baboon you know

Starting point is 00:51:23 what you know what they actually have a podcast victory the podcast it's come on it's stuff like that i'm not a baboon you know what you know what they actually have a podcast victory the podcast it's come on it's the creator doug ellen e and drama come on and it's just them just going through the show again and just having people come on and just talking about how influential that show is i don't think i've actually watched the episode they can watch just like the instagram stories but i'm just like it's good to see drama back i do gotta check that out i'd still, I'm probably going to rewatch that this summer. Like just, just, just for the hell of it. That was one though, by the way. And this is what worries me about the Sopranos. Now I like that the Sopranos waited a long time and David Chase

Starting point is 00:51:57 is a psycho. So I feel like it's going to be done right. Yeah. But the entourage movie was terrible it's a cameo it's it all it is is an hour and a half long episode that's it that's that's all it's just cameo city the episodes were better well yeah of course the episodes are better i mean it was so bad that's where it's like don't don't don't do godfather 3 because you have to you know and and like and like even that one godfather 3 if you just put the movie alone there's a couple cringeworthy things in there but it's a pretty good movie pretty sure it's still nominated for oh dude it was nominated for best picture yeah you put that next to one you put that next to the two best movies of all fucking time yeah it sucks dude that's like putting you know a a middling pro in the ring with ali like you don't do that it's not gonna

Starting point is 00:52:45 work i love where you're going this because this always leads to one of my favorite questions do it best trilogies of all time i mean look the obvious answer right away is the godfather by default yep i always have to put the asterisk of saying that you have to go in with the expectation that it is not consistent in that the first two movies are the two most perfect movies ever made and the third one is not. Yeah. No, sure. So I do always – I hate putting that, but I got to do it. It's the knock on the Godfather that maybe doesn't put it on the top is that people don't like the third one. Me, like, yeah, as you said, the third one is what it is.

Starting point is 00:53:22 But for me, it would always be the original trilogy of Star wars just because sure well here's another question when you say trilogy does it mean movies that are only in threes or can we go beyond see i could i keep star wars in it because like like i'll always say like the born trilogy like i won't talk about i won't talk about like the like the other spinoff one and i won't talk about Jason Bourne, because those first three movies are awesome. And the spinoff was Jeremy Renner, right? Jeremy Renner. Love Jeremy Renner. Love Jeremy Renner.

Starting point is 00:53:52 Thought he did a good job. It was an unwinnable battle. Yeah. You're just going to be compared. That's all you're going to do. You can't be fucking Matt Damon as Jason Bourne. He could have come down as the second coming of jesus christ an actor yeah right definitely wasn't gonna work yeah no i'm a big fan of jeremy renner especially

Starting point is 00:54:10 the hurt locker and then the town like the town he goes you grew up right here bro you grew up right here right here right here dude the town brendan lahey he was gonna come up he's gonna lay you out the town so i put him in the fucking ground let's talk about the town letndan lahey he was gonna come up he's gonna lay you out the town so i put him in the fucking ground let's talk about the town let's talk about the town i saw the town in the theater with my grandfather awesome okay amazing we it was it came out in like september those are always like the the dark horse movies because like people aren't in the oscar season yet just yeah we're just on the outside ben affleck as a director right i liked gone girl director too i forgot about that i liked gone girl uh not gone i liked uh gone baby gone but i don't know about this ben

Starting point is 00:54:50 affleck guy but this was the pivot because this was he was bad for a lot of years there and then he had made he had made um gone baby gone yeah and then there were there was one or two others he had made that were like good and it's like oh my god is ben affleck a good actor you're like rethinking life yeah so i see this movie the town and i see it's about charlestown the robberies and and my grandpa's like all right let's pick a movie i'm like i really let's give it a go and we go in there and we both walked out my grandpa was like let's rob a bank like let's go and that's what people say it's a's a one, it's a, it's a one-on-one on how to rob banks. Dude. That movie. Dude.

Starting point is 00:55:26 Dude. The thing about that movie is people liked it. That actually watched it when it came into theater. Then it came out on DVD and then the noise got a little louder and people really liked it. Yeah. Then Renner was nominated for the Oscar and you know, whatever. And people were like, oh, okay.

Starting point is 00:55:46 And then like a year later, people were like, wow. Yeah. You ever seen the town start become a cult thing? Oh yeah. And then it came to Netflix at some point. And then people were like, oh, oh, the town. It's like wine, dude. And now it's like, you bring up the town.

Starting point is 00:55:58 People are like, yo, that's a top three movie of all time for me. I mean, that's the power offlix is as it has the ability for people who've never seen a movie or a show that's on some network that they'd never heard of and allows a chance and the biggest example of that is schitt's creek the tv show schitt's creek that's the one with eugene levy you know like american pie and everything and his son starred it and it's also with the mom from home alone kevin kevin my my fiance's favorite movie home alone she'd be she'd be mad if i didn't she'd be mad if i didn't mention that but this is a show that's on the network pop tv nobody knows what it is because it's like a u.s version of a canadian

Starting point is 00:56:37 syndicate i feel like that's like what you're watching late at night with the munchies and just like don't know what channel you're on exactly exactly and then this show comes to netflix and then about four seasons in people are just like this show is like one of the best shows on tv and then now people are actually full on binging it and watching it and it finds its place then it just had its final season and it does what no other show did it sweeps at the emmys it sweeps every single of the main four actors each won an emmy award like main actor main actress supporting what i know has never did that i don't think the sopranos ever did that

Starting point is 00:57:09 because jim won like four or five in a row and ed that's the thing i don't think i don't think like all the actors i don't think they ever took all four at the same time but this show did that it won best writing it won best it won best show ever and it is one of the best shows one of the best i've seen that a million times what's it about so what's this about is like i haven't actually seen the show i've just seen it around so the premise of the show is that they're like this essentially this rich family that's sort of like the kardashians in a sense like they're like a reality tv show type family and the premise of the show is what do you do when you take that reality tv family, take away every single, all the money that they have,

Starting point is 00:57:45 everything, every asset, whatever, are they still a reality TV family? And so these people, they then like, they leave New York City and they go to this dump hole of a town

Starting point is 00:57:55 called Schitt's Creek. That's what the town is. It's spelled like S-C-H-I-T-Z. So that's how they get away with using that. And it's about them just trying to small, survive in this small podunk town and like it is absolutely hilarious i swear to god if you start it you will finish it in a week i love eugene levy he is hysterical amazing he is like what i consider

Starting point is 00:58:18 he's considered like like because of the american pie movies and me growing up on them he's considered like, because of the American Pie movies and me growing up on them, he's considered like the best movie dad ever. His conversations with Jason Biggs in those movies are absolutely just the kind of awkward moments. He goes, you know what, Jim, why don't we talk about... Let's talk about your dick. You know about shrinkage? And Eugene Levy. Eugene Levy's amazing in the show. And I hope like the Golden Globes are coming up

Starting point is 00:58:46 I hope he wins but he's actually going against his son for the same acting category now are they is that done that was the final season that was the final season like it was it was like Breaking Bad in the sense that they ended it at the height of it shows popularity six seasons

Starting point is 00:59:01 people were like why don't you do more people are finally watching they're like no like just let it be like this show is perfect as is because like you know there are plenty of shows where it gets good and then they just keep going and it's like you shouldn't at all like yeah like like those last like homeland uh home i know a lot of people my i was i'm not much of a homeland watcher my fiance loves homeland she actually said that the final season was redeeming of it but i know one of the most talked about ones is, and it's unfortunately a show I haven't, but I'm going to binge it because they're bringing it back, is Dexter. People are like, the first four seasons are amazing. The final four and the finale, awful, which is why I never

Starting point is 00:59:37 watch it. I'm like, why am I going to want to watch a show where they're saying shit? But now it's coming back. I think I'm trying to remember because i watched it like five years ago i feel like the first five seasons yeah good yeah and then it just gets and then terrible too much yeah because it's such a ridiculous premise like if people haven't watched that it's about a guy who basically like he's he's bloodthirsty and gets off on killing, so he has to kill, but he kills people who – he works for the Miami PD, so he kills people who got away and were actually guilty. And I forget. He has some sort of sixth sense where he knows whether they did it or not. I have not seen the show, but it's on my list because the show is coming back.

Starting point is 01:00:19 People hated the season, and the fans made it so that it came back. And the fans now have so much say that's also which is that's a slippery slope it's just exactly it's a slippery slope because because there's there's great examples of how they've saved shows like like save hashtag save this show and it's brought shows back like it's gotten uh my favorite comedy series on tv right now is brooklyn nine nine brooklyn Yeah, that's been on like three channels. It started on Fox and then after like the fourth or fifth season,

Starting point is 01:00:50 Fox had canceled it. People said like, hashtag say Brooklyn Nine-Nine. A day later, NBC picked it back up and they've done like three or four seasons since. I think this is going to be the final season, but that's another four seasons that we never would have gotten, but the fans,

Starting point is 01:01:03 and I know there was a Sonic the Hedgehog movie, which the first trailer came out and people bashed the shit out of it. They're like, what is this design? So they actually pushed the movie back, redesigned the character, and saved the movie. Now, that's pretty smart. That's where it's good. Because it's a slippery slope, but that's where it's good because you get the people who are most invested and feel like a personal relationship with it to say like, hey, this is how we know it, so let's do whatever. But it can also lead to that same content pileup. People want it, want it, want it, want it, want it.

Starting point is 01:01:39 Yes. One of my least favorite things about today is how something happens and there's a fucking movie the next day yeah you know like i don't mind the book the book like the gamestop thing they're already writing they're already they have two separate movies already working on it oh but that's the thing the gamestop book ben mesrick who's one of the greatest writers of all time he wrote among many books he wrote the book that became the movie 21 with kevin spacey he wrote the book that became the social network love that he just wrote a book called bitcoin billionaires about the winklevii which was an unintended spin-off of the social network which has to become a movie

Starting point is 01:02:15 because it was incredible well they can't use army hammer anymore he's a little old he's looking like hannibal lecter out there yeah what what did he say like i want to eat you i have something like he kept dming some like chicks and like saying like like i would just like eat you alive and then he had a finsta of like a bunch of videos and people it went like out there now he's been like dropped by his age which sucks his army hammer is is a good actor but like you can't be a fucking psycho anymore, especially in today's world. People get canceled left and right now. But this guy, Ben Mesrick, is writing the book of GameStop already, which is hilarious. And according to a tweet, because I put the over-under at 125 days, it's going to be done.

Starting point is 01:02:56 And he responded and said, oh, I'll be done way sooner than that. So we're going to have the book right away. You're going to have the movie at 125 days. That's my problem. They make these movies immediately. And like, I even think of one, they waited like maybe two years on fuck. What was it called? Patriot day.

Starting point is 01:03:12 I think with Mark Wahlberg. Do you remember that week? Like in Boston and then like us watching on TV. Cause we were in college. Yeah, we were. Yeah. It was like my first year of college. So you were still there.

Starting point is 01:03:24 I think I was a junior. So, you know, we're, we're watching this thing unfold it was riveting and if you remember where you were when this shit was going down even though you weren't actually in boston right yeah then they made the movie right away it's a good movie but like do you know how much better that would be if they waited 10 years to make it yeah or they made it a show or they made it a show and that. And that's where I think this is going now is they're starting to make all these shows now. And that's why you're starting to get all these great actors that want to do TV.

Starting point is 01:03:53 TV used to be like, oh, you're a TV actor. You can't get movies anymore. You go to TV. That's not the case anymore. Now you have Meryl Streep on a TV show. She was in the second season of Big Little Lies with that. That scream that became like a gif or whatever. But you have all these great actors that are now jumping ship from movies because they realize that this long-form television, you can truly tell a backstory and a better story about who you're working on.

Starting point is 01:04:20 Well, they've also changed the meaning of a leading man and a leading woman. They have. There's a lot of – and it's a beautiful beautiful thing there is a lot of flexibility to that it used to be like oh you have to have the chiseled jaw and like all this shit oh yeah jim changed that man jim jane jim came in it's a bald and you know overweight guy from north jersey yeah playing an italian mob boss and you know he was like a sex symbol yeah and they're like wait a second this doesn't this doesn't add up that's not harrison ford and then they make they make the white because let's be

Starting point is 01:04:49 honest there there were a lot of deep-rooted prejudices built into hollywood and all that you know so it's still still are but it was very very like the wine you had it let's not even go there yeah but like you know you had your denzel washington's of the world and whatever but it's very very hard for like a not white guy to be the lead and then a show like the wire comes out and suddenly they go oh oh wow oh wait maybe maybe this will work like it shouldn't have taken that but then it did and i mean even michael b jordan he was in the wires in the wire as a 12 year old oh man you know which is crazy so tv shows basically said no no like okay you want to relegate us well now we have hbo and all these channels where we can say fucking shit in every word and we can have violence and we can do it

Starting point is 01:05:36 like you could do it in the movie theater and we're gonna make these long drawn out stories and you're gonna have to compete with that in your little 120 minute masterpiece yeah good luck as you said like they're all on these streaming services or on these premium channels like like my my dad i was on the phone with my dad the other day and he he uh just moved recently so like he he doesn't like he doesn't have any streamings things or any premium channels he says basic cable he was like he was like what what can i watch what do people do and i was just like holy shit i just realized like basic cable shows are just not the same. You have all the police procedurals that are all in the same one night.

Starting point is 01:06:10 For me, I watch a lot of the superhero shows that are on the CW and stuff. But I'll watch NBC for a lot of the sitcoms. But they're just not what they were. I know when it came to sitcoms, at one point point, like NBC one night was like the office 30 rock, 30 parks and rec and community 30, like did you 30 rock? If you get Peacock, they did a sort of semi reunion episode,

Starting point is 01:06:34 which was like, it was really like they brought it in as like a pitch show for like, like NBC, like this is what we're selling for the year, but they turned it into a 30 rock episode. And that's what you can do on these streaming shows. They're, they're going to, there's going to a friends reunion on hbo max the friends

Starting point is 01:06:47 have not come together since the show ended friends in the office are two that i love seinfeld they've always been on in the background somewhere someone's like oh let's turn this on i've never watched them in order i can't even tell you like what the plots are because i just see all the random ones yeah have never not liked an episode but it's just that those ones are weird because they're like two of the biggest ones and i never sat down like okay season one season two i couldn't tell you what ones i've seen and what ones i haven't but it's it's cool that you can enjoy it shows how good it is oh what they did that you can enjoy a show like that and not know like wait does does jim wait did they did they fuck each other or is it those together now it's so confusing you know yeah i know and like when i know some people that only watch the office because they

Starting point is 01:07:33 watch it because they know what's going to happen it's that familiarity they don't want to lose that feeling i'm like there's a lot of good other shows like i love i love the office like i actually did not see the office 30 rock community or parks and rec till about three years ago. Yeah. Cause this is another thing. This is, this is my fiance bringing me into a TV world that I'd never really got

Starting point is 01:07:53 into because like, as a kid, I was either, I was like either like doing sports and shit. And like, I never like had time for the long binge. And plus my parents wouldn't let me watch the Sopranos. But,

Starting point is 01:08:02 but then like, like literally there was like three months went by where like, just binge watched all like four of those shows and i was like this is amazing like how did i like how did this was a golden age of tv but like this is a new era of tv but it's all on streaming and now everybody's got these different you're gonna end up paying the same amount as you did for cable just getting all the different streaming yeah the streaming wars are nuts streaming The streaming war is legit. People will buy stuff for one show. Yes.

Starting point is 01:08:29 They will do it. And you can't, it's not like, you know, the good old days of 08, 09, where you could get fucking anything online. I used to hit up all that. I remember watching some crazy movies in like 05 or whatever. You know, that you could get for free on on put locker or something like that put locker you just you just brought me right back to freshman year of college with put locker probably destroyed my laptop dude and i i remember i like i missed a baseball game or i didn't miss it i almost missed the baseball game because i was busy watching scarface on put locker i was like

Starting point is 01:09:00 i was locked in i was like wait and then I'm like, wait, what's this white stuff? Googling it. Oh, cocaine. Okay. Okay. But you're watching this and you could do that. You could go type in movie X for free. For free.

Starting point is 01:09:16 And you could do it. And now? I mean, pirating is still definitely existing. It's still a thing. It's hard, though. It's definitely harder. But like me, I just realized I was one day just looking at like my bills i'm like god i'm paying for cable i'm paying for this service i'm paying for that service but like for me it's

Starting point is 01:09:33 understandable because i'm i'm actually watching this stuff like at first like i only had disney plus just so i could watch the mandalorian and then eventually then they started bringing it in the whole back catalog because they had like disney had bought 20th century fox like they bought the whole studio and which was unheard of at the time and like they literally now just took that 20th century fox back catalog they put it on disney plus they don't have to pay for any of that original content it's all paid for so now they're just getting six dollars subscribers in every day and they don't have to pay for all they have to do is pay for their original content they don't have to pay for those licensing fees on those shows i couldn't believe how many people went and bought that when that came out too i mean i did but that's only because star wars

Starting point is 01:10:13 like you're not a star wars guy so that's the main difference like it's these getting these huge like ips like well people buying for the old memories though too not just the star wars but like there were a lot of people like buying for the old dis, though, too. Not just the Star Wars, but there were a lot of people buying for the old Disney Channel shows and shit. I watched a few eps of Boy Meets World not too long ago, man. Eric is still one of the funniest characters ever, and I'll stand to that. But yeah, you're right. The back catalog that they own, but that's theirs. They don't have to pay for that.

Starting point is 01:10:41 Meanwhile, Netflix has to pay hundreds of millions of dollars to keep those shows on. And it's only so sustainable for them. That's why they're going into, we got to make this original content to go as far as we can. But now you have HBO Max. You have Peacock. You have Netflix. You have Hulu. You have Disney who owns Hulu, Netflix, and ESPN.

Starting point is 01:11:03 It's very confusing. It's very confusing. But there are a lot of great shows on these streaming. that's the point you have the ability to pause like you don't have to you don't have to dvr like or anything i don't even know if dvr is still a thing well you also forget that you sign up for them when you do that's a subscription model they know like that's true they'll never cancel it yeah it's like i signed up for me i signed up for who i think i've been paying planet fitness for the last two years and oh god i haven't stepped in the door once in a while you're a

Starting point is 01:11:30 planet fitness guy all right i'm not gonna touch that one but uh anyway it does the meat thing go off where they where they get the buzzer when you take out the 20 pound dumbbell oh my god if anybody just hits the weights then you're just like get out of here yeah people should be shot for having that goddamn bell on but whatever anyway there's i i remember getting uh hulu for the looming tower okay long story short i still have hulu i'll tell you what i haven't used it i love hulu because there are still network shows that i watch and they show up next day without commercials like i get the the hulu like without commercials one like i spend for the on that one and that's the only way i can still watch network tv shows is i can't watch them when they're on tv i prefer to watch them the next day like without commercials that's like that's what i commercials are killer yeah so

Starting point is 01:12:19 like whenever there's any of these streaming services, they always get me for the extra five bucks if they have no commercials or ads or type shit. Commercials are – I mean you see YouTube still living on the last breasts of that where they have the content that's blocked by 30-second ads or an ad two of two where you can skip ad. Yeah, YouTube premium. Dude, people – and that's the thing. They'll do that. But there's also some outside-the-box things that they're working on, the Technorati types. I had in the kid Anthony Fenu, and we talked, I don't know if we talked about that a ton on the podcast, but he and I have talked about that offline, and some of the shit he's making. And I should say, especially the worlds he's involved in producing volumetric hologram

Starting point is 01:13:06 content and stuff like oh it's the hologram kid oh yeah oh that got me like i was just like wait what is he doing bro he was talking to me about the future of advertising and how this is going and i did that was one topic i did actually know a fair bit amount but he took it to a whole separate level like i'll i'll do it wrong if i explain it but pretty much pretty much he's like if you're on a commercial business figure out what you're doing next because we are already at a point where one thing i do remember he said is that the 2d visual ads you know your banner ads and shit like that they're dead dead no one's click it's it is so unless it's clickbait shit which i used to have clients who do that shout out shout out kyle now but anyway like those go where it's like find out if so and so

Starting point is 01:13:51 got arrested and has herpes like and you click it and it's got like some celebrity's face on it it's just like no we're associated with herpes at all and it's like all right well i gotta click that but you know when someone's got an ad for like a dodge silverado or chevy silverado whatever it is like no one's clicking that yeah no one no one really cares and it doesn't even have the psychological like oh let's get that name locked in as much because people have so much of it in their faces so now you think about like even streaming services like a 2b or watching tv shows on tv still and that whole oh, the commercials just came on. The models shifted.

Starting point is 01:14:28 It takes people. Do you remember watching movies on TNT? Can you imagine doing that today? I mean, I won't lie. There's usually a text that comes out. The town is on TNT. Switch to it right now. Even though I own it four different ways. I probably have the Blu-ray and the digital copy and it's on netflix like i'll just do like the quick flip

Starting point is 01:14:49 back but somebody always just texted go guys town is on tnt you're welcome it shows you how sad see i i've never watched town on tnt i don't want to because now i really would cringe watching this but it shows you how sad the world is you got eight-year-olds who have an iphone and can go on fucking only fans but they go on tv and suddenly like afflix getting in a scene he's like listen it's not flipping instead of like it's not fucking there like they can't even say fuck on on on tnt like how do you even have a business model like that because you watch their mouth do like the shittiest cgi of all time to say flipping we're like sometimes sometimes it's not they don't even cgi anything like i remember i remember one of the biggest one of the biggest scenes i'll always

Starting point is 01:15:28 remember was i was watching like happy gilmore on on like tbs or something and it's a scene where like where he looks at me he's just like oh hey thanks for dressing up and he goes hey if i wore clothes like this i had to kick my own butt like like like it wasn't it was the line was ass but then all of a sudden you hear like it's a different voice it just goes boy and i was just like what the fuck that's some hungover guy like in the studio like all right jim change the channel we got gilmore at 12 let's get a dub in here yeah you look good like how does that model even work at this point and i mean we can argue about the week-to-week model versus the binge model but the one thing they have in common at least the ones we're mostly talking about are

Starting point is 01:16:09 where it's like no when when you sit down to watch it you're it you're locked in you can pause it it's it is it is it's uninterrupted like i mean dude the sopranos came out 22 years ago yeah get with the times yeah i mean i'll be honest the the sopranos one and you're gonna you're gonna hate me i had just watched it for the first time like two years ago no i won't hate you for it although you are you from new jersey i am from i am from jersey i'm gonna hate on you yeah i know i'm from the state of new jersey you haven't watched the national anthem i know i know but i watched it i watched and i loved it it was great i can't wait can't wait for the movie i How did you know?

Starting point is 01:16:45 You were around Spear and me. As I said, I used to not be a TV guy. I used to only be movies. It was my fiance that introduced me into TV. But you were a movie buff growing up. Oh, always. Like the first movie and literally one of the first youngest memories I have was my dad taking me. It's like 1996 or 7.

Starting point is 01:17:08 And that's when they re-released Star Wars. Like George Lucas did like the special editions or whatever. He took me to the theater. First movie I remember seeing changed my life. That's why I'm a Star Wars fan. Because like it takes me back to that 7-year-old in me. Which is why like a lot of people I know like they can't get into star wars later because they didn't have that childhood attachment to it yeah which is like how like a lot of things like people don't get into it because they just don't have that childhood

Starting point is 01:17:32 attachment that's what got me that's like one of the oldest memories i've had and i've been a movie buff ever since that's a beautiful thing about movies and now you can say about tv shows over the last couple decades i guess give or take sure But we think about this with songs a lot where songs are a memory or songs take you back to a moment in time or what you were feeling, what you were going through, good and bad. Movies and TV shows do that too. Sure. And it's not just like that's a great thing where you remember going

Starting point is 01:18:01 and see one for real for the first time with your dad. Like that is related to the movie and how like movies themselves made you feel and that's a personal memory from your life yeah but it's also like when did you watch a movie like what was happening were you going through a good time a bad time were you in love were you hating the world like what was the movie about how did it play into the vibe like what else was going on around you or were you just sitting there watching in your house there's these things about it where i at least you know i'm like a visual thinker in that way as far as like capsuling my life together but there's so many movies where i'm like oh shit yeah i watched that one such and such what's going on or whatever. Like, oh yeah, I saw Inception, but I was hooking up with a girl way out of my league,

Starting point is 01:18:48 so I wasn't really paying close attention to it. I need to go back and watch that. Like there's all these things and then it adds like a whole nother layer to the movie itself or the show itself. Oh man, one of that for me was I saw back when movies do midnight premieres. Oh my God, take me back. Like Friday, take me back. Now they do like oh my god like friday take me back now they do like the thursday at like 7 p.m but but it was the midnight premiere for the dark knight i had like just i was like on like about to turn 18 just turning 18 and i remember i got i got to

Starting point is 01:19:18 the theater naturally the line out the door at midnight around i'm seeing people in joker makeup but wait a second hold on go for it you're a michael keaton guy yeah dude dude we all know that we all know what i don't hate first off i don't hate bail like i love i love i love christian bale as batman let's let's get that clear i couldn't let that no no the dark knight is the best not only the best batman movie it's still the best superhero movie ever because it's also a crime movie you take away batman it's just a great crime movie i don't say this out loud much but i because like i'm a movie buff right but that's a top 10 movie of all time for me that's possibly number one for me don't blame me one bit anyway continue about the memory i like this oh yeah no

Starting point is 01:20:04 but i mean like i'll even like i remember telling that story to my dad he was just like how the hell do you remember that and i was like well dad you gotta you gotta realize you probably would have had a completely different son if you didn't take you didn't take me to the movie that day yeah yeah and and that's that's just one one memory i have in particular but i just remember going to see like the dark night and just seeing everybody in the joker makeup And I was like, it's 1230 in the morning, man. Like, don't you have to go to work the next day? Like I was like a 17.

Starting point is 01:20:29 I was like 17 year old. It's the middle of the summer. So naturally I had nothing to do the next day. But like I've seen people like in their 20s and 30s like out here. I'm like, damn, I miss midnight showings. I just miss the movie theater now. But I miss that. I think an important question that I always think about with that movie, though, and particularly, is if Heath hadn't died.

Starting point is 01:20:52 Would he have been the third one? That's another one. Okay. I do think about that because he didn't die in that movie, right? No, he didn't. But if he hadn't died, would people appreciate what he did as much? Because I will tell you, I'm a sucker for great acting. I love that shit.

Starting point is 01:21:11 I'd go back. I watched Brando all the way back to The Men, which people are like, what the fuck is that? That's the first movie ever made. I fucking eat up great acting. And for my money, that is one of the greatest performances i'll ever see and it sadly it killed him yeah it killed like he literally he had to do like the drugs and shit in order to like balance his stuff out but do you know that he it's only in that movie for like 18 total minutes that's it like it's like yeah it's like something crazy like that like

Starting point is 01:21:41 he's only in it for like 20 25 minutes i know i've heard that before but it's not 18 it's more yeah it's probably it's probably more than that but like that's all it takes all it is is is like he's he's just he was one of the best actors died way too young wonder one of my favorite heath movies is 10 things i hate about you phenomenal movie great great movie because because it also has one of my favorite actors in it joseph gordon levin i i love jgl he's starting to he had a big comeback he had yeah he had he had kids and now he's making he's now he's making a comeback one of the movies i love you ever see looper i have seen looper loopers off the time travel with bruce first off i'm the biggest sucker for time travel i think it's like one of those

Starting point is 01:22:18 plot devices that if that's the plot device like i'm i think i watch back to the future probably once a year like i love i love that movie because i think i watch back to the future probably once a year like i love i love that movie because i never got into back to the love back to the future like and there's always new things like i always find out about like in the beginning of that movie one of the things i don't realize is the mall where they go to like where everything happens it's called like the like um like two trees mall or something and then when he goes first back into into back in the 50s he runs over one of the trees so when you come back later in the movie it's called one tree mall like something

Starting point is 01:22:51 i've never picked up on the floor i've seen that movie 50 times wild shit like when you think about time travel it's the little things you know terrible movie that just came out by the way the little things but that's another thing who's in that that was the one that was with like denzel leto and um rami malek whoa yeah there's there's a new denzel movie hold on denzel jared leto and remi malek yeah all in a movie you made a movie and it wasn't good and it wasn't good it was not good it was not a fan at At least me. What was it about? So essentially Denzel plays an older cop who never retires type deal. Rami Malek's the young hotshot detective type guy. Leto is apparently a serial killer and it's about trying to get Leto. And this was a bad movie.

Starting point is 01:23:41 You just, you have to watch it to know why. Like I don't want, the acting, the acting was pretty good outside of rami malek i was i wasn't into his character at all leto leto was good he just looks he has some prosthetics on his face and he looks a little weird but he's got his long hair and it's not like a denzel like he's not like the equalizer and he's not like kicking the shit he's like an older cop like you're finally seeing like Denzel's up there. Like he's up there now.

Starting point is 01:24:07 And it was just a movie I wasn't into. So that's unfortunate because it's one of those movies where great trailer, phenomenal trailer, bad movie. I miss the trailers where we had our boy, Dan, what's his face? Where he'd be like, in a world, in a world, in a world where one man. You want to know who kills that no like like absolutely like like who actually like not they killed it like they killed it with it tropic thunder do you remember that oh yeah they had the fake trailers yeah in a world who opened up the freezer and that's that's a movie that could never happen today because of what they did because of

Starting point is 01:24:41 what they did it was incredible rdj was nominated for an oscar for that movie rdj is phenomenal in that movie as he should have been he was he was there's that scene where he's taking off like like all the prosthetics off his own face and then he's doing like the five different characters like i'm neil armstrong and like that scene that year that was rdj's year 2008 dude that was the iron man year and then he came out with tropic thunder amazing i know tropic thunder is like crazy funny movie you know kenny powers blowing off all the things like the fourth of july and all that shit i i know but you can't overlook that performance no you cannot you cannot i'm a huge robert downey jr love rdj i don't know that he'll ever top that i mean he basically had to have a schizophrenic attack for an entire movie. I mean, he was an actor within an actor.

Starting point is 01:25:31 Like, within another actor. I'm a dude playing a dude dressed as another dude. Dressed as a black guy. Like, what? Like, he wore... And again, it could never happen to me. No, cannot. Cannot.

Starting point is 01:25:43 I think he was on Joe Rogan talking about it. He was. Yeah, he was. Just like, yeah, no, you can't do this anymore. You can't do it, but it doesn't change the fact that it did happen. Yep. And at the time, you know, it's not like anyone had the wrong intention with it. You have to remember, intentionality was tough.

Starting point is 01:25:58 It's like a parody. That movie was a parody on Hollywood. Right, right. So, like, at the time, not to say that like that's acceptable but they were doing to your point they're doing a parody of hollywood it's supposed to be ridiculous yeah it's he was playing the actor within the actor within the role within the movie right so it was it was probably fine today there is such sensitivity around it that they wouldn't do it yeah but if they went to do it and we're getting shit for it i would say i get it like you know what i mean like

Starting point is 01:26:30 artistically i get it because they're trying to show how ridiculous shit is so like these guys could be stupid enough to be to do something that abhorrent yeah in the movie within the movie yeah and that that was just that was doing that now now people are getting about if if like say a straight person is playing a gay man they are now attacking i know james corden is like under attack right now because he was in like some movie the prom on netflix where he played a gay man and people are literally just like what the heck like like why why wouldn't a gay guy play it like like like what like that's like i know one thing that they're talking about like right now.

Starting point is 01:27:05 I'm just like, well, yeah, but like Tom Hanks won an Oscar in Philadelphia playing a gay person. Yep. Like the guy from Modern Family, one guy was gay. The other guy wasn't gay. Yeah. It's tough, but like those are like all-time performances. But it was a different time. They also do very controllable ones where they just go really like they they had ScarJo playing an Asian chick, Slade to play one.

Starting point is 01:27:26 And it's like, you're asking for it. Ghost in the Shell, which was actually, it's actually like such a great anime. Yeah. Like, were you ever into the anime game as a kid? Not really. What about just like cartoons as a kid? Like, I was obsessed. South Park?

Starting point is 01:27:38 So, well, yeah, South Park, I still watch. Did you watch the Pandemic special? No. Oh, my God. Go, like, get like your free trial of HBO Max or whatever and watch it. South Park is an incredible show. They absolutely... Did you ever watch the six days to air, the making of South Park?

Starting point is 01:27:54 So they make each episode in a week. Oh, I knew that. They write it. They write it, shoot. They do all the voice. You want to talk about turning shit around. They would be in the news. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:28:03 The news that just happened. It's like South Park has an episode on it. Trey Parker and Matt Stone. Geniuses. Utter geniuses. Book of Mormon. Amazing. Dude, and I never saw that.

Starting point is 01:28:13 I have to see that. So good. But they may be some of the most underrated talents of creativity we have ever had in this country. Ever seen, man. we have ever had in this country ever seen man like like um they they did the episode when um i believe when trump when trump won the election they had originally wrote it that hillary won so they had to and this is think about the episodes come out wednesday night and it was election tuesday like so in that 24 hour span they had to change or they had to like hopefully

Starting point is 01:28:41 they had some ideas and said they had to change the story around to to make it so that trump won in the episode they did an episode inside of 24 hours yeah like like they rechanged up retooled the episode so that it was like garrison becoming trump and whatever they couldn't even do that on seinfeld and there were two sets in a live audience yeah i mean hey if you if you watch that six days episode, man, they just turn it around like that. That writer's room is hysterical. That's amazing. Those two are unappreciated in the time that they're in. And that's why they get put on five more seasons every year. You know what the other thing is, though?

Starting point is 01:29:18 No one's safe on their show. No. on their show no they attack every single race creed religion interest public interest news story good bad indifferent skin color i think i already said that they they attack everything in a parody satirical fucking hilarious way oh man you can't be offended by it because they out offend you at every single turn yeah and they probably attack white males more than anything else in in the entire thing nobody's nobody's safe when it comes to that dude and it's incredible and it gives me it it makes me more mad too at how society is being so goddamn sensitive on everything because this show has remained the cockroach and i mean that in a

Starting point is 01:30:03 good way in this case cockroaches never die right it has remained the cockroach on tv forever and has kept an audience and these guys are so creative and they've done it proving that you just can't fucking take yourself or everything else so seriously you can't man like those guys just it's simple they're just utter geniuses what again the fact that they can turn a show around in a week like it's like that's how it stays relevant like something just happened and all of a sudden this shit so when you watch the pandemic special it's it's very relevant to what was happening around like the summer and september time like like when it came out it's absolutely hilarious you got the cops being the teachers now because they got fired and and there's no teachers and

Starting point is 01:30:44 you're bringing the kids into the COVID classrooms. And you know that there's certain characters. One might have gotten shot, you know, like in the middle of the episode. And then meanwhile, you got Randy Marsh like talking about like, oh, yeah, Mr. Johnson over there started a restaurant. I thought this was America. I thought it was America. Mr. Johnson over there started a restaurant. Whoops.

Starting point is 01:31:03 She started a spa ouch meanwhile weed sales have gone up to the roof and when they finally realized that randy marsh is probably the best character on that show they they made him a main character because i love randy marsh like ever since ever since ever since when it was like oh my god yeah sharon sharon i need my wife sharon yeah i i love that show i will they have me on the hook for the rest of my life as long as i think i found that when i was like 10 or 11 years old my mom didn't know that but my dad loved it he would watch it late at night like forever i didn't know what it was at first but that prop that show probably taught me more about pop culture than anything yeah because it just had

Starting point is 01:31:46 everything it had everything in it it had everything it did it's hard to believe that that that the movie for the show came out back in 1999 yeah well they also made captain america or team america yes great movie that's another one probably could never get made today oh my god did you ever see basketball yeah the sports movie yes i was watching it not too long i was losing it i was just like these guys are so fucking funny but we can still laugh at that that should tell you something like you watch that first scene of team america and like you know they got the guy in the turban with the bomb it's the most racist stereotypical

Starting point is 01:32:25 thing so racist but it's against everything and everyone like they're making fun of everyone it's oh they're ripping on the u.s they're just ripping on america right to america's face just ripping it right into their face and by the way pretty prescient on the theme there as far as like a little little war happy here aren't we yeah a little bit like they they kind of like they've i'd have to go back and look at it they've nailed some things ahead of time like people always talk about the simpsons stuff yeah the simpsons and south park nail a lot of shit oh yeah man i i think i think even the simpsons called uh the 20th century fox acquisition by disney like it literally said the 20th Century Fox acquisition by Disney.

Starting point is 01:33:06 It literally said, 20th Century Fox, a Disney company, 15 years ago. The one that's a little misleading, I think, is the Trump one. Because I think they had an episode after of him coming down the escalator. So now people use it as a meme, like, they showed the escalator. They got Trump. But the other one is is family guy which i did get really into are you a fan uh like as we said before like i was binging those first like dvds and shit and then i stopped watching family guy probably like in like the early 2000s like

Starting point is 01:33:37 like 2012 2013 area and then in the last couple years i really gotten back into it and it's still funniest ever still funny as ever. Still funny as ever. And that's another one I worry about, though, because he – and, you know, Seth is a very known publicly kind of guy. You know, he's friends with everyone. He's gone mainstream making the Ted movies and everything. Great movies. Yeah. Oh, my God.

Starting point is 01:33:59 Ted 2, very underappreciated. I agree. Both of those movies had myself pissing on the ground laughing but he takes a lot it's comedy he the definition is taking chances making fun of shit being ridiculous takes a lot of chances in family guy and i just you know i always think about twitter culture and you know 21st century culture here and people taking things the wrong way on stuff and i wonder when it's like oh we're gonna cancel family guy because for the fourth time again again though he's he worries me in that

Starting point is 01:34:32 way because he's a little bit cancelable because he's very public yeah whereas trey parker and matt stone don't give a shit they're doing acid somewhere and like you know they don't give a shit what you think that's also funny when they were at the oscars and then how they were in the dresses and they were tripping tripping acid and stuff like they were just like then you're just like then you're just sitting at the oscars for four hours tripping balls and it's like the worst experience of the world oh my god yeah those guys those guys are legends but man i i do like seth mcfarland a lot like um i've actually seen him as like an actor and stuff i i don't watch his tv show like the orville but like he's got a tv show yeah he i yeah i know he had a live action show called the the orville which was

Starting point is 01:35:10 essentially like a a parody ripoff of star trek and yeah yeah and uh i never watched that but like i love the ted movies i think ted 2 is very underrated if they don't do a ted 3 i'm going to be very very upset like inevitably down the road but even even i was watching his other movie a million ways to die in the west oh my god it is straight up just dumb but it's got its funny moments like in there you have to like that scatological humor yeah you have to be about that to to be able to laugh at those things and you should go to a comedy movie excited to laugh oh yeah and so you should find ridiculous things funny i mean to me that's why will ferrell's a goat for me because he is he's hysterical yeah you just look at his face and you're already laughing yeah and will

Starting point is 01:35:57 ferrell is definitely like one of my favorite comedic actors of all time that i think the new one up for me is i'm a huge seth rogan guy seth rogan's pretty i think everything he's he's done has just made me just die laughing like one of the more recent ones i saw was was long shot with uh charlie's there and oh my god that was incredible oh my god i've re-watched it so many times that movie's just absolutely myself in that movie that was so fucking fun that movie that's a that's a good one not a lot of people saw it sadly but like i think seth rogan is is one of the best out there and he actually like he helps produce like a lot of tv series i know he's behind like the boys and everything and that's one of my favorite shows so seth's up there for me yeah those early ones of

Starting point is 01:36:38 judd apatow were a big introduction for me into like great comedy. So like knocked up super bad. If you, I wasn't in high school when that came out, but it was, it was shortly before. If you were in that age bracket, that was a anthem of what the experience was. Some of it was a little over the top,

Starting point is 01:36:57 but it was such a fucking brilliant movie. And now I'm going to blank out. There were a bunch that came out that were done by him at that time. Oh yeah. Like he did a, like a, the 40 year him at that time. Oh, yeah. Like, he did, like, The 40-Year-Old Virgin. Yeah. Oh, my God. Then he did, like, Funny People with Sandler.

Starting point is 01:37:10 And that's when, like, Rogan got really skitty. Yeah. And that one I didn't like. But I did, like, Trainwreck with... Amy Schumer. Amy Schumer. That one was funny. But then I saw the...

Starting point is 01:37:19 My buddy Grant, who's going to be on the pod, made out with Schumer in that movie. Shout out, Grant. Are you serious? Yeah. Yeah. That's hilarious. He was the guy that was hooking up with her outside of the apartment like when the homeless guy's watching oh my god i know i know exactly what scene exactly what scene you're talking about but like somebody who's in that movie that was hilarious john cena oh john cena was hysterical where he's trying to do the dirty talk and he's just like i'm gonna come at you with my pecker. But Cena, Cena is somebody that's blowing up huge now because he had a good comedic run and now he's getting opportunities like that.

Starting point is 01:38:08 Like he's going to be in a big superhero movie coming out this summer called The Suicide Squad, which is the semi-sequel to the much hated Suicide Squad, but it's been retooled with the guy who did like Guardians of the Galaxy John Cena's gonna be a superhero not only that but then he's gonna get his own spin-off tv show which is currently filming right now that's gonna come out on HBO Max next year well you know what some people are gonna yell at me because there apparently are a lot of people out there who are silent fans but you gotta know how to act in the WWE you do you gotta know i mean that's where the rock came from man so and it's not to say like a lot of people are like oh is the rock you know a one-off because he's obviously a great actor but hey who's to say john cena can't be fucking great too i mean he was great in that role oh yeah but i'm so glad that you brought up the rock because he's also somebody he's about to have a tv show about his life young rock on

Starting point is 01:38:46 nbc but there's like three different there's a childhood version of him there's him at 15 and then there's him when he's at the university of miami i'm judging it already because it's on cable tv yeah it's on it's yeah it's on cable tv but uh yeah and then he was in like ballers and stuff but like i i've been i didn't like balls yeah it's it's wannabe entourage. It's an absolute wannabe entourage. The writing, I thought, was really bad. I thought some of the acting was great. There were guys, they made that show be okay. That's what gave us Denzel's son, John David Washington.

Starting point is 01:39:19 Who, by the way, people talk nepotism and shit. That kid earned it. Oh, he did. Dude, he worked i mean he's not 22 he's like 32 years old uh black klansman was a great movie he is a fantastic actor i saw tenant i was gonna i was just gonna ask i haven't seen that so i saw tenant and when you when you inevitably watch it people have said you need the volume up high and then you also need to put up the subtitles on because it's a tough movie to

Starting point is 01:39:46 hear because like, he's constantly having like the music bombarding you like Christopher Nolan always does. And you have trouble sometimes hearing what's happening. Not only that, this thing is more dense than inception, like with what they're doing. Is it Hans Zimmer on the track?

Starting point is 01:40:00 Unfortunately, I think it's one of those movies that he didn't do with Hans Zimmer, which I Hans Zimmer is like like when it comes to composers it's john williams hans zimmer for me like i love hans zimmer like i think about his batman themes i think about his superman themes and like his music sticks with me hans zimmer i i know we learned in school at some point about all the great composers and Mozart and shit like that. All due respect to Mozart. Hans Zimmer is the GOAT. Hans Zimmer is your GOAT?

Starting point is 01:40:34 He's the GOAT composer. I do love his work. And then I saw him do, I didn't get Masterclass, but I saw he was doing a Masterclass and the preview was like, see, all these keys these all these keys they are they are in emotion see that's anger that's sadness and i'm like god damn it i could watch this all day i mean that dude i love that music i do i mean i listen to that in the gym like i go through phases with that the the his theme song for for superman i think is better than i think it's better than the donner superman like like intro like the dun dun dun dun like it's better than the Donner Superman. Like the...

Starting point is 01:41:05 It's way better. It's more like just beating drums. There's people that would say blasphemy to that. Absolutely not. It's a hundred times better. So much better. Nobody's running out onto a football field listening to the original Superman theme.

Starting point is 01:41:23 They're listening to the Hans Zimmerman. No, I do love john williams like shout out john williams it is it is a classic theme song yeah there's a different time too but for me i mean there there's a bunch but obviously the batman ones are great i always forget the names of some of these songs but the the the one time time yes in in inception from inception yes is that is without question the most inspirational piece of music oh yeah that doesn't involve a voice that i have ever heard in my life you could put that behind anything and it seems legit um i'm with you like i know i i i definitely have worked out to like a lot of like his bro for sure.

Starting point is 01:42:05 Bro, it does this thing like chemically in your body where like shit just kind of changes. Well, it kind of takes you back into the scene almost like, like you can like visualize the scene again as the music's happening. I was busy watching the inception, man.

Starting point is 01:42:19 I don't know what happened in that movie. I never went back and watched it again. It's definitely, it's definitely something you should definitely re gogo back and revisit for sure yeah but that song i mean and and that's the thing like these guys they'll make a they'll make or break a movie and we don't even think about that but that music if it's wrong it's wrong i mean i think like when you hit when you release a trailer one of the first things that gets you ever is the music of the trailer some trailers hit you with is the music of the trailer some trailers

Starting point is 01:42:45 hit you with just the right tone of like music like i know there was a recent trailer for the batman which is the new batman trailer i don't know if you saw it the one that's gonna have robert pattinson now as as batman but no that's what that's what you thought and i thought too because everybody's just like yeah he's the he's the twilight movie guy like whatever he's done some really good indie movies since that. I really want there's a there's one called Good Time that I think it's on Amazon. Everybody should go check it out. It's a good I like an indie movie.

Starting point is 01:43:13 Yeah. So like he's done like he did like the indie game for a while and then came out was in Tenet crushed it. Like I could see what they saw. They said I can see his Bruce Wayne in it. And then when they released that trailer, like I don't remember what song they use, but it instantly just made you feel like you were in like a mob movie with a mob mentality. And I love that.

Starting point is 01:43:32 The thing is like, let's, let's take Christian Bale. For example, I think Christian Bale, by the way, is my favorite actor, but he's not your favorite Batman.

Starting point is 01:43:42 No, but he's my, he's my favorite actor you are a walking conundrum that's interesting yeah so we could talk about him but he does like american psycho he does the machinist he's crazy literally like kind of crazy to do this stuff right vice american hustle he gained like five he gained like 300 pounds but and that's even like after the after batman so to go do the first Batman, this was still a guy who you could see the range.

Starting point is 01:44:09 You could see, all right, he's crazy. Which you kind of need that to buy that he's this guy. You've got to be a psycho to be Batman. And then he does Reign of Fire. And Reign of Fire, an underrated movie. That's the one with the dragons, right? That's with Matthew McConaughey as the psycho. The dragons, they're coming to get you you know so like you kind of buy him as that

Starting point is 01:44:30 robert pattinson is the guy who was in you know the teenage heartthrob movie with kristen bell yeah kristen stewart exactly yeah point made i look at him. No disrespect. Not feeling the Batman thing. Yeah, but I'll tell you what. Well, when you watch this, I'm going to watch this trailer with you. We're going to put it on. And I swear to God, you will instantly be turned. The trailer of the new Batman.

Starting point is 01:44:58 The Batman. It's just called, which first off, which I love that they added the in the title. Because that's how often a lot of people refer to Batmanman be like the batman like i remember uh killian murphy who played scarecrow in the in the batman begins where he's just like who is he's just like the batman and like i just i just love that but if you watch this trailer because i've watched it 10,000 times, you'll instantly be hooked, I'm sure. Coming up behind you. Here we go. Let's turn it on. So I'll put it in the bottom corner of the screen.

Starting point is 01:45:38 I like the tape already. But I need my guy going in a world. Yeah, that is a lost art book just wait for the music drops for people listening by the way secret friend I guess they narr it a little bit. Oh, Jeffrey Wright. Jeffrey Wright. He's Gordon. We gotta talk about Jeffrey Wright.

Starting point is 01:46:15 Let's play a game. Just me and you. Any of this mean anything to you? I don't know about that suit. Trust me, it's gonna be awesome. You're becoming quite a celebrity. I thought that said, to the moon. Colin Farrell.

Starting point is 01:46:52 Wait, that was Colin Farrell? Oh my god, people. You gotta see Colin Farrell. He looks like he went on a 20 year bender. And this is the scene that'll do it right here. The hell are you supposed to be? Did he get yoked for this? I think he got pretty big.

Starting point is 01:47:18 I'm vengeance. The voice is a little high it's a very good trailer the music though like in the background it's a very good trailer okay i'm gonna cut it there the voice is a little high though yeah. Yeah, yeah. I mean, we've only heard him just say, like, um, vengeance. But, like... Like, when Bale was doing it, it was like, where are they? Yeah, but that's also been parodied so much that they can't really go back to that. It's so bad that it's good.

Starting point is 01:47:55 It's so bad that it's good. I mean, it's excellent, but, like, it's so overdone that it's good. Hey. Hey. Proved. There are a lot of good people where you thought they were you notice he never uses his lips no you thought they were bad and you notice it gets deeper as as each one goes on it just gets more and more like he knew that like he knew that people were talking

Starting point is 01:48:16 about it so he just wanted to go deeper bail was going down this is in the car i need a good wait wait i need i need a guitar right now it's just it's it's yeah but once again very very very pumped for that movie because batman is my guy like the first one of the first shows i watched as a kid was batman the animated series like which is considered like and who was the voice on that the voice who and this is you want to know who my batman is it is the voice it is the voice you already said who your batman well i said i really like ben affleck but you want to know like no no wait you said your batman was michael keaton and now you love ben affleck well no i love love michael keaton because he's my original and i love bill love them all but if i if i'm like like if i had a voice in my head of like batman was talking it is kevin conroy who voiced batman in the animated series shockingly you want

Starting point is 01:49:10 to know who did the joker mark hamill no skywalker himself and it is he like i honestly argue that he is my joker because the voice the voice is just it's so good to the point that they've used it in future animated series in video games after i'm telling you when i when i think of the characters in my head like i picture their voices to the characters that's the voice i hear the batman voice and the joker voice are those two people right there all due respect to mark hamill and jack nicholson it's gonna it's gonna be tough to especially when it comes to our generation because i loved jack nicholson i love the gangster acts aspect of it that they they sort of gave him this this

Starting point is 01:49:50 backstory that never existed like the the jack napier character yeah and and and i'm i'm oh i'm by the way i need to say because it was a separate world but i'm overlooking joaquin phoenix obviously like joaquin phoenix was incredible but it was different it was different that's not the Joker I know it was yes it was different Heath Ledger was the Joker Heath Ledger had everything about that and I mean how much do you look at you know method acting like how much do you know about that uh there's great method acting like in terms of like like well one you can look at the Joker because you can look at Heath Ledger and then you can look at the Joker one you can look at the joker because you can look at heath ledger and then you can look at the joker then you can look at jared leto you're talking about two people that did method acting for this this same character one was beloved the other one not so much like jared leto literally got onto that set and like he was like giving like rats as gift to

Starting point is 01:50:40 be like he became the joker on set and like people like didn't like him like, or whatever. Cause and whatever killed the vibe, but leaning like Christian Bale method actor. Sure. And, and I don't think people understand how deep they go. And,

Starting point is 01:50:54 and it's so easy for people to go, Oh God, here we go. Fucking actors, celebrities making everything. So goddamn difficult thing. And they're so important to give these types of performances that we sit here and talk about 40 years later. Yeah. What some of these these guys have done i respect the fuck out of it i i remember i

Starting point is 01:51:09 read lee strasberg's book dream the passion okay in in college and it blew me away yeah at how they just fucking sink all the way into this they imagine all the things in their life and like the greatest pound for pound just pure actor ever not named marlon brando is daniel day lewis yes and daniel day lewis i mean when he did my left foot he made them carry him around the goddamn set because he was playing someone with cerebral palsy and he couldn't walk yeah exactly right so there is some craziness to it but the geraldito thing's actually a very important point because towards what we were talking about earlier at some point here where they do things too fast yeah like i even look at this batman with christopher nolan the last one was eight years ago

Starting point is 01:51:58 yeah this is so quick and jared leto had to i always say leto leto i i never know which one it is i always say leto i think it's leto but i don't it's it's one of those but he had to follow up i don't care how great an actor he is and he is fucking incredible yeah he had to follow up that he had to follow up it's a tough ledger it's a tough one to do i think it was like nine years later that he had to do it yeah you're not gonna follow that up It doesn't matter who you are You're not and I mean he's also immortal cuz he's dead that really doesn't help But even without that he was so perfect in that that no matter how ridiculous you went or how deep you went

Starting point is 01:52:39 It's the same thing as like if someone went to make the Godfather today, no. Yeah. No. Yeah, no. No. No, no, no, no, no. No, no. Don't do that. Don't do that. Yeah. If you're listening to me, movie production people, you fucking corporate suits, don't

Starting point is 01:52:52 do that. You do that, I'll find you. Anyway. Dory will find you. If they went to do that, it doesn't work. And now you're talking about doing it less than 10 years later? We're so fast with things. Especially when it comes to superheroes.

Starting point is 01:53:04 Like, they've done now, we've had three separate live actions spider-man like like yeah we've got toby we got andrew and we got the new guy tom holland like like i'm a huge toby guy like but they're like i love toby's spider-man i don't like his peter parker andrew garfield love his peter parker no i love his spider-man don't like his peter parker either and then like meanwhile this new kid i just i love him all around now were you a comics guy i've never read a comic in my entire life okay when it comes down to why i love these characters so much it's a combination of i grew up on batman the animated series superman the animated series x-men and uh like spider-man as a kid. Like, those were all loved.

Starting point is 01:53:48 But I was also obsessed with, like, Greek mythology. Like, I was obsessed with the gods. Like, I was obsessed with the power. And that's why I lean more towards loving DC Comics characters because there are straight-up rips of those, like, they even have the gods. Like, Wonder Woman is, like, the daughter of Zeus. Like, I love that. Like, Superman is basically Zeus. Like, The Flash is basically like, fuck, I forgot the guy's name.

Starting point is 01:54:11 The guy, like, what is it? Like Mercury? I don't know. Whatever. All the different gods' names were. And I was obsessed with those guys as a kid. And I sort of found this translation of those kind of characters

Starting point is 01:54:21 into these superhero characters. And that's pretty much how i became like obsessed with them but i was also like a kid watching cartoons it stuck with me yeah and and it's amazing how you'll hold on to even like the crazy things as a kid like spongebob or something for example spongebob is still hilarious it's still fucking hilarious you know but like if you didn't grow up on it maybe you wouldn't laugh that much that's what i said with star wars man if you didn't see it as a kid or like you weren't into it as a kid, you're not really going to find it.

Starting point is 01:54:47 Though my, my fiance says that she loves them now. She, she had never seen them until she met me. Really never seen any of them. I was the first one to introduce them, like to introduce them to all. And like, I just remember like being like, are you ready for this? Are you ready? She's like, let's do it. And like, she, she likes the she she likes the she likes she loves

Starting point is 01:55:05 them all but like she actually prefers the newer ones because like like like like she translates more to like the main girl who is like like the all-powerful jedi in those movies like they make it a female-centric hero in those movies and she like loved that character related more to that character and i was like yeah like it's the sense of like if you had watched it as a kid like i was obsessed with luke skywalker and that's where like all that backlash because because you had people were obsessed with this character for 35 years and they just didn't like what they saw on the screen until something that came out a little recently which sort of brought people back but i don't want to spoil you more than that well actually we talked about flicks and flicks earlier and just kind of

Starting point is 01:55:47 ran through what it was and how the two of you do it but you keep on insinuating some stuff here that i think is interesting because it's it's fun it's you and your fiance doing it but it's also male and female like two different worlds so you've talked about how she showed you tv versus you had to show her movies sounded like that and whatever. And you kind of had that trade, but content wise too, like you're showing her star Wars for the first time, since you guys are deciding what to watch together, because you watch everything together. Yeah. Okay. So you got to mix it up. You got to mix up what plays to different age groups or genders or whatever, because there's just going to be different interests there. So what kinds

Starting point is 01:56:24 of things has she turned you on to? Oh, God. Well, besides just the whole TV aspect of itself pretty much opening up that whole world to me, she's gotten me into a lot more of the dramas, like This Is Us, A Million Little Things. Those are some of the better network shows on. And those are shows i never never would

Starting point is 01:56:45 have watched before because like i'm not into the whole feeling sad feeling all the feelings and everything jackson you don't like feelings oh man i'll tell you my fuck feelings but no uh but uh no like she got me into that whole world like and just a bunch of different shows like i mentioned that teenage bounty hunters show like about two little girls being bounty hunters never would have thought to turn on a show like that yeah but she goes you know what i heard this from from a few friends like at work let's give it a shot i literally like she we put on the first episode and i was just like oh damn can we keep going and i was like stranger things another thing i never would have watched from the beginning that's one i haven't watched yeah i haven't gone such a beautiful throwback to the 80s. Give me the layout because it's like it's got some extraterrestrial shit going on.

Starting point is 01:57:29 Okay. It's got some like interdimensional shit going on. So you got like your four kids. Like it's straight up like stand by me style. Like you got your four little kids all like obsessed with Star Wars because it's literally like 1983, 84. And then next thing you know, there's this government because there's always this government agency and then next thing you know there's this government because there's always this government agency and everything they're doing 1984 never never in like the middle of in the middle of nowhere indiana and uh i think it's hawkins indiana

Starting point is 01:57:56 is the name of the town and there's like a local government agency that's looking into this rip into the dimension and like monsters get loose and everything but the whole thing is just so nostalgia based that because like the 80s right now is is popping like like reloving the 80s again is awesome all right do you think it's the 80 i'm not even gonna argue that i've definitely seen some themes of that but the main one i have seen over the past two years that is insane is the 90s the 90s it's now the 90s turn okay the 90 it's now stranger things was coming up yeah the 80s was now you're gonna see a lot of 90s stuff like jonah hill did a movie recently called mid 90s which was a throwback which like it's fall was like this little kid he's like a skater kid like damn i'm so disconnected like

Starting point is 01:58:41 jonah hill directed it directed a movie called mid 90s and i never heard of it yeah and it's it was his feature length uh it was his feature debut and and jonah jonah well i'm a big jonah i'm a big jonah fan but like the 90s is the next thing like that movie came out one of the superhero movies uh captain marvel with brie larson took place entirely in the 90s they d They DH Sam Jackson for the whole movie. He looks like nineties and it's, it's good. Like they did well with the technology there.

Starting point is 01:59:10 Then again, you have a bunch of eighties and nineties movies to reference Sam Jackson's face from. That's true. Like they give him the hair back and he looks like a young nineties, Sam Jackson in that movie, that movie. It's not one of the better Marvel movies in my opinion,

Starting point is 01:59:24 but like, like that, like the nineties is making a huge comeback, but this show is all about dedication to love and passion for the eighties. Like the second, second season, the first thing you think is Halloween, they're all dressed up as each Ghostbuster, like full on Peter Bankman outfit, everything like, like the eighties had its turn. Now it's the the 90s the 90s is the next one that's going to come so i guess it's what like every every like whatever's 25 years ago i think it's what your parents were when they were coming of age that gets people interested and they can't put their finger on it but that's that's really what it is so when i say coming of age right now people coming of age are people who are like 20, right?

Starting point is 02:00:05 Yeah. 20 to 25 bracket. And a lot of their parents were coming of age during the days of the sitcom and the days of the East Coast, West Coast hip hop rivalry and this whole new era. And also, I won't go really deep into this, but if you ever heard of The Fourth Turning? You're not a big reader, but you ever heard of the fourth turning you're not a big reader but you ever heard of that book never heard of it as someone who does what you do that's one you should read okay because the fourth turning i'm not going to go into it right now but it breaks down generations and how they work yeah and all generations work in four cycles and they follow similar themes so like i'm on the very back end of the Millennials right like right on the cut

Starting point is 02:00:45 off of Gen Z and Millennial oh that ought to be a good one my Millennial and you're a Millennial so our generation follows a similar pattern to what the greatest generation did the World War II generation so just as an example that's what it is so when you see these cycles these these every other ones where it's like parent child they have like this oil and water and then water and water kind of thing opposites but they're also not opposites they they're like oh so there's this like inherent biological built-in thing where we want to know what was that experience like and how can we redo it and then add social media and add you know instant communication to things obviously you're gonna get a lot of like ideas around it that then

Starting point is 02:01:29 reverse it and brings back shows even like all together like that's why everyone watches friends oh my god and that's that's the huge thing that's going on right now is is all like the different shows that are now being rebooted and retooled but like so like like like you bring back some of the original cast to set it in the universe but then you create this whole thing like they just like rebooted saved by the bell yeah and and i watched it didn't didn't hate it i actually i actually really enjoyed it uh what's it what's his face just died yeah uh screech screech uh rest rest in peace scree Yeah. And he had the whole history with all of those guys. Like, we're like, they, he said he hadn't seen Mark Paul, that Zack,

Starting point is 02:02:11 Zack Morris, like he hadn't seen him since like the last episode of Saved by the Bell, the college years, whatever the spin off was. And that's sad, because apparently he was supposed to come back in the second season, like, they were ready to bring him back. And now he I think he passed away from cancer, which is awful, awful to say but i mean that also takes me back to like certain actors you know who died young you mentioned heath one i actually can remember was was paul walker when paul walker i remember i remember exactly where i was and i was actually with my buddy who is also a diehard fast and furious fan and i loved what they did with how they retired his character off

Starting point is 02:02:45 in like that seventh movie but yeah that's philip seymour hoffman philip seymour hoffman like that's funny because i was recently just watching the hunger games over again and i saw how they had to retool his scenes after he died and like like carrie fisher died but right before the the ninth movie so they had to retool footage from other it's crazy how sometimes they can do that philip seymour hoffman's another one who is to this day even in death one of the most underrated actors i've ever seen along came polly along came polly i'm so glad you said that oh my god rain dance raindrops this this this this high pole jumping guy this crocodile wrestling and then you got you got baldwin and stiller in there and it's the guy from cocktail who he's like he's got to

Starting point is 02:03:33 represent him and he's like you're ruben's proxy he goes i'm a professional actor i can take care of this like in like a trumpish kind of sounding voice the range range. The range, man. And he knew how to not do too much. Yeah. Like, you watch The Ides of March. Ryan Gosling's another one who's incredibly underrated as an actor. Love Gosling. The scenes in that, Philip Seymour Hoffman went into that just saying, do less. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:04:04 And, like, you watch that scene with Gosling realizing he got got. Yeah. And Hoffman's basically saying to him, here's the fucking game, bro. It's not this, like, oh my God, or whatever. It's none of that. Yeah. It's just here. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:04:21 It is right down the middle, and he nails him with that voice. Listen, kid kid you lost when you fucking came here and you're watching that and you're like holy shit because this dude was just so about it and he's another one because you know died of of drugs and and i believe i believe i have to go check this haven't looked at this in a while i believe he was a method actor too he he was it seems like there's there's a lot but yeah talk about the range i mean that guy was fucking hysterical along came paulie then you think about just he was in twister bill pullman twister he was like the camera guy yeah like like remember the big tornado movie and everything the flying cows god

Starting point is 02:04:58 twister that's a great that's a classic bill pullman who's also rest in peace himself yeah i mean not bill pullman uh bill paxton sorry bill paxton bill pullman is his independence day greatest greatest uh wait i'm thinking of a different guy who was the guy when you said but now i know who bill pullman bill pullman was the greatest uh movie president ever independence day bill paxton no bill pullman bill paxton was like like like aliens too like god like uh what was what was that hbo show like big love where he was like a mormon he was married to like three or four i think i know i was thinking of someone totally different who did die like two years ago was he in homeland i don't know i'll think of it but yeah totally different guy but

Starting point is 02:05:43 back back to you and your girl. Sure. So she's showing you some things like some period pieces and stuff like that. What else? There's actually one recently actually came out, which me and my friends have liked. It's called Bridgerton. And it comes from Shonda Rhimes, who I think she did like Grey's Anatomy. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:06:03 I know Shonda Rhimes. Behind all of that and she basically did this period piece drama that's set in the 1800s and about and it's about courtship like in England like this English town like people

Starting point is 02:06:14 like having to to basically find like it's about women trying to find a husband like and like not anything I would be into

Starting point is 02:06:22 but then like shockingly it's a good show it's a good show. It's, it's a good show. And, but I, I mainly like it cause I like making like the British voice.

Starting point is 02:06:28 Just be like, Oh, I'm hanging with Mr. Bridgerton today. All right. The guilty pleasures is really what has to come out of this because you, you have to definitely have plenty of, you're being shown.

Starting point is 02:06:41 It's, it's a gender thing too. Like you're definitely watching a lot of chick flicks that that women like right i've seen so what do you like uh when it comes down to to like romantic comedies like i know like everybody like i love i love the one with uh with justin timberlake and mila kunis uh friends with benefits friends with benefits i think that is probably like one of my favorite like rom-coms ever. Like, I love, like, a movie like that because it's, like, it's also funny, like, in the sense of, like, it's not funny in the sense of the romance.

Starting point is 02:07:12 It's a funny movie. Yeah. And, but when. Your tits, they're perky. I mean, Woody Harrelson, Woody Harrelson is hysterical in that movie where he's just like, oh, I got to take the ferry back to Jersey. Oh, I was talking about the boat, too. Like, something like that. Like, he just, like, gets right into that character which is woody harrelson great great actor but uh uh when it comes to guilty pleasure like i know like the transformers movies are guilty pleasures they're terrible i was sticking with the gender ones you're sticking with the

Starting point is 02:07:37 gender ones okay i'm trying to just think of what else but yeah like like the the dramas are stuff that i'm like oh like she got me back into watching like law and order svu still not going to the gender ones no i'm talking like full-blown chick flicks like 10 things i hate about you well 10 things i hate about you is not a chick flick i fucking love that movie i fucking love that movie too but it's a chick flick yeah don't run from the truth pal i don't know man they're so good in that movie i love that movie but uh i'm just trying to think of what are some of the other like guilty pleasures that like it's mainly more in in the tv space but like she's obsessed with like the matthew mcconaughey like kate hudson movies like failure to launch failure like not what not failure to launch what's the uh how to lose a guy in 10 days oh yeah yeah like i watched that with her i was just

Starting point is 02:08:23 like okay okay okay i enjoyed that one so there are definitely some new things that she has absolutely introduced me to that i never never would have thought about and that's the best part is talking with somebody else about it getting their opinion and then like next thing you know you might have fallen into a show that you love that you never would have thought of starting to watch yeah i was always a sucker for the art because like i said i'm a sucker for acting like of all kinds so i i never i i was never like ashamed i watched everything like i watched anything that was like interesting if people were interested in it i would watch it i always joke but i'm dead ass serious i watched yeah i watched the entire series of sex in the city it's fucking

Starting point is 02:09:00 interesting there you go i was like that's coming back at first when i went to watch it, I'm like, I can't believe I'm going to fucking do this. I can't believe I'm going to do this. Then I watched, next thing I know, season two. I'm like, oh, wow. Oh, okay. Because you're also like, it's one of the most chickish things ever made. Yeah. There is nothing about that that's made for design for a man.

Starting point is 02:09:20 But you're also like, it's getting in the mind of females. That's all we ever think about so you're like oh wow that's how they because you know some of it's obviously like exaggerated or wrong and done artistically but there's a lot of it that's like based in truth too and so you get really into it because you're like damn i never realized women think like that about that or whatever and it's to me like that's the cool thing you get out of it whereas the more the more stereotypical ones are sometimes funny to talk about because it's like your typical 90 minute you know chick flick you know the fucking notebook or something

Starting point is 02:09:56 like i don't know how much you're gonna get out of that right whereas nothing out of that yeah yeah so like some of like i i've obviously watched some of those over the years usually not at my own discretion but you know someone else fucking telling me i've seen the twilight movies man like i know what it's like because you're you're sitting with somebody that really likes them and you really want to impress them yeah yep yep but are you it seems like you're pretty successful in getting all the content that you like oh so we watch everything she does she like if there's a show that she wants to watch like i will make sure i'll be like yeah let's we'll find time we'll do it we'll always find time but from your end though also what you want yeah and she's

Starting point is 02:10:35 into it she's she's into it a hundred percent like and i've i've turned her on to things that she'd she had never seen star wars she had never seen the best is i get to re-watch a lot of the favorite franchises from the past that because like she never had never seen, the best is I get to rewatch a lot of the favorite franchises from the past that, because like she never had saw Lord of the Rings. So I got to rewatch all of those. She couldn't do the extended editions, a little too long for her, but maybe one day, but that's what I'm saying. Even today though, with TV shows, it's a little too long for her.

Starting point is 02:10:57 I mean, like there's only so much a three and a half hour for a movie that you can just truly stay locked in. But then like she was watching, she was like, wait a minute this is like like a hardcore better harry potter why have i never been watching this yeah and i was just like exactly so like i'm turning her turning her on to new things she turns me on to new things like that's that's what it's all about like vigo dude yeah vigo vigo vigo is great in that in that I was actually just re-watching Return of the King the other day, and I love the scene, just like at the way end where he becomes king. Like, he's the

Starting point is 02:11:30 king. But then he kneels for the hobbits. Like, because you realize that the hobbits ran that whole movie. They ran the narrative. Yeah, I mean, and I wasn't a big Lodor guy as a kid, like, but now you can see I even say Lodor and shit like that but like

Starting point is 02:11:45 that now they're gonna have a tv show eventually amazon prime doing a lord of the rings tv show we'll probably be seeing stuff about that in like a year or year or so it's yeah i guess a lot well they did do the hobbit recently but i don't hate those hobbit movies yeah they're they're they're nowhere near as good but i don't hate them like too much cg in terms of the trolls and stuff like like we saw them as actual physical things in those first movies those guys didn't really get typecasted though which is good that's good you know like typecast like vigo didn't get typecasted from that no i love me going green book oh green books he's hilarious good movies he's hilarious he's hilarious tony lip tony lip and and tony lip people don't know this but tony lip played carmine in the supreme the real tony lip oh get out of

Starting point is 02:12:32 here played carmine in the sopranos that's hilarious that's him i didn't know that yep good fun fact yeah so that movie is like when he was poor like as a young dad like trying to make it and whatever and then he also turned out to be the guy who ran the copa which everyone knows that the copa is well not everyone but if you watch goodfellas it's the famous scene there like he was the guy at the front so the sopranos was good at that like taking people who maybe weren't actors like even like a steve sciarrappa and stuff like that and being like, all right, bet you're going to be good on camera. You'd be great in this.

Starting point is 02:13:08 And then they just bodied it. Yeah. I mean, hey, you surround people with enough good talent and they'll they'll step their game up that they never even thought about. Like always. And that's like that's always love. I always love when people like hate somebody when they get cast like Heath Ledger. People hated that casting and goes out and absolutely kills it like this is before huge online fame i'm talking about the dark knight

Starting point is 02:13:30 they hated that cast they hated that casting really i mean could you have pictured the guy from brokeback mountain putting on a couple of face that's what it was at the time like you're saying the same thing about pattinson right now like you know what that was yeah i forgot about that that was such an overreaction just because like it was shocking to a lot of people back then but you know gillenhall and and and heath were were fucking terrific actors so they they never took a step back in their career no after that which is a great thing now but you would think back then world's not ready for it or whatever. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:14:06 And like, wasn't accepting and all that. And it didn't, I mean their careers while he's dead now, his career was amazing. Jake Gyllenhaal's career has been incredible. I love him so much. He's he is. Do you say Gyllenhaal or Gyllenhaal? I say Gyllenhaal. I have no idea.

Starting point is 02:14:20 I don't. Weinstein, Weinstein. I like, I don't know. Tomato, tomato. It's one of those things but i love yeah i'm a big fan of jill and all ever since the early days of donnie darko and and all that those classic ones um what's your favorite movie of his oh god um there's that one where he plays uh it's called is it october sky where he plays like October Sky

Starting point is 02:14:46 yeah it's like October Sky or something it's him it's a young Gyllenhaal like very young like this is probably just after Donnie 99

Starting point is 02:14:52 yeah just probably just after Donnie Darko and it's him and these and a bunch of these kids I think they grew up in a coal mining town

Starting point is 02:14:59 in West Virginia and his and he's he's like his goal is to get to space. That's all he wants to do with his life. He gets inspired by Warner Von Braun and Sputnik. That inspires him.

Starting point is 02:15:13 All of a sudden, you get inspired by him. Yeah. And literally, there's a whole plot centric around it. But I don't want to go too much into this movie. But he's just a young kid who's just trying to get out of this town to try to better himself and he does but they this is how they do it they start building rockets how did they make warner von braun look in that movie he was in it for five seconds like he's in a picture and then he's in one scene did they talk about his past no they they don't because this movie takes place i think in like the the 60s or

Starting point is 02:15:41 the 50s dude there was a show on amazon that's like a little it's it's not a little it's way over the top it's it's like almost a guilty pleasure one but it's good uh called the hunters yes i saw it you saw it so without because now i know why you saw al pacino well i well i knew the warner von braun story before that but they weren't kidding in that obviously they remade history a little bit like whacking them spoiler alert yeah sorry but um you know he was he was a nazi yeah like not like it not like a nazi that not that there's like a difference but like in world war ii he was a nazi like like a like a fucking top of the line like all right how many are we gonna kill today in the holocaust nazi like that's like that was what operation paper many are we going to kill today in the Holocaust? Nazi. That was what, Operation Paperclip?

Starting point is 02:16:27 Operation Paperclip. Bring all the scientists over? He runs NASA. Came over here and ran NASA. Well, have you ever seen the second Captain America film? Captain America, The Winter Soldier. No. Because there is an aspect of that where they take Operation Paperclip,

Starting point is 02:16:43 and instead of the Nazis, it's Hydra, and how they slowly infiltrate for the last 80 years. And it's the movie that I say if you want to start watching Marvel movies, that's the one I tell people to watch. Really? Even though it's probably like jason bourne meets like flight of the uh i forget what that robert redford movie is where like the government's coming after him and whatever and it's literally that but with chris evans as captain america and i loved it that's that sounds great and i like chris evans a lot big chris evans you watch defending jacob if you have apple tv defending jacob he plays he plays he plays a lawyer father and his kid gets uh

Starting point is 02:17:26 accused of killing a kid so essentially their whole family's life gets turned upside down he now has to help save his son with the backstory of did he did he not do it like like you never even know and it's it's a great show it was definitely on my my top 10 from last year defending yeah for for background real quick on operation paperclip yeah people let's go back to that what the we're talking about operation paperclip was a discreet us government operation right after world war ii where they went in and took quote-unquote nazi talent so the one thing about the nazis is they did have some of the greatest technological innovators in in the world like the best at the time so once the war was over and they were defeated the us knew that they were going to be coming to a big head with the soviets

Starting point is 02:18:18 and so if they didn't get them the soviets were gonna and so instead of getting them and killing them or putting them to death after a trial which is really what should have happened they decided to just throw certain guys under the rug and bring them here to do shit and warner von braun is probably the most over the top example because he literally ran nasa yeah nasa so i don't know why i said nasa but he ran nasa and like i said he was you know he was a not good nazi right so there is a big moral conundrum there and then actually this just reminded me of this there was a tv show i found towards the beginning of the pandemic that is not on anymore called finding finding

Starting point is 02:19:06 Hitler I think I don't know it's a documentary ah okay is it documentary or docuseries docuseries okay I love me a good doc no it really happened like they were doing this there's there are some people out there who think Hitler didn't die because we technically don't have like the corpse that Russia had is not him I know why you're talking about this and i we don't want to spoil but love that love that finale oh yeah yeah yeah 100 yeah but and people don't know what we're talking about but i know there's a team that they put together for this show it's like it's a whole bunch of different people like a black ops guy like tim kennedy who's now like on joe rogan all the different people, like a black ops guy, like Tim Kennedy, who's now like on Joe Rogan all the time.

Starting point is 02:19:47 He was one of the guys. I was like, wait, I fucking know that guy. So they went down to like South America where a lot of these Nazis escaped. Argentina. Oh yeah. But it wasn't just Argentina. It was, um, fuck, I'm going to get some of Brazil. Uh, I want to say Chile. There were a few yeah but argentina was a

Starting point is 02:20:07 big one and they would go to these towns that are basically like protected german fortresses where they still keep the ss tags like hung on their wall it's creepy as fuck man and there were guys who escaped there Mengele is the most common example the the terrible doctor who lived there and later died as an old man and only afterwards did they find out that he was there there were some serious Nazis that got there and so they were talking about what if Hitler escaped yeah because the other thing that the nazis had that ties into like our world financial system is that they had a lot of hard assets they had a lot of gold sure yeah i mean think about let's be honest here they think about they pillaged and compiled think about all the they literally took an entire race of people and stole everything they had in hard assets yeah so the power that that

Starting point is 02:21:06 can wield getting to foreign countries who need money yeah and being able to bribe them and then have a lot left over it's it's compelling it's an interesting show a lot of people are like ah it's a hoax conspiracy it probably is but it was still i watched it and i didn't watch all of it but i was like this is really fucking interesting because at the very least they're getting places like they're seeing that there was a lot more to this like was there a fourth reich that they were planning and whatever and it makes you start to think about operation paperclip and then you watch the show you watch hunters and yeah dude it's scary because then you're like is there like a long-term plan that they want

Starting point is 02:21:46 to implement which obviously i guess hasn't happened but it's still creepy to think about yeah which is why like i love with what a lot of these these movies are doing is they are adapting things that happened in history like they literally straight up mentioned in the movie operation paperclip like like i'll be honest that's that's truly how i knew that it happened because i learned i learned it from the movie which is sad i probably should have learned about in like seventh grade social studies amazing how they didn't teach us those things amazing how they did but uh but then like then you have like the x-men did it where like magneto is was like he was like he was jewish like in the nazi camp that's literally how they opened the first 2000 movie is is they open it with that

Starting point is 02:22:23 scene and then in movies later you have like mich Michael Fassbender going down to Argentina and confronting other, cause he's on like a Nazi hunt for Kevin Bacon's character. And he's like going all around Germany. He's going into South America, which brings to that. Like, so I love it when the movies take real things that happened.

Starting point is 02:22:40 Like they did the Cuban missile crisis in that movie. Like they actually did it and they adapted it into it, into the movie. We can't talk about this without the greatest example of all time oh let's go let's hear it what's the greatest example i don't know you gotta you gotta give it to me come on movie very famous director rewrote some history in a very ridiculous way oh you're talking about inglorious bastards yeah as soon as you said rewrote history i knew immediately oh yeah that now glorious bastards is without a doubt a top 10 or i think it's a top fiver for me is that your number one tarantino oh yeah yeah oh and and i love tarantino yeah love it like even some of his movies that like i'm not a huge fan of they're incredible yeah right

Starting point is 02:23:20 love it like reservoir dogs doesn't really do it for me incredible though yeah glorious bastards outside of the opening scene of the godfather yeah the opening scene of inglorious bastards won him the oscar oh completely one christopher waltz one christoph waltz the oscar in that christoph waltz pound for pound is one of the greatest actors you'll ever see but i don't even know the name of the other guy, the Frenchman, in that scene. Oh, God. Unreal. That scene, you are sitting there gripped. You're just like,

Starting point is 02:23:53 what the hell is this guy going to say next? And it's like 20 minutes and there's these little movements. You start to learn more and more and more and there's that dramatic irony where you know, but someone in the room doesn't know. The camera pans down to below.

Starting point is 02:24:07 Oh my God. And you're just like, oh shit, they've been in there the whole time? That is inglorious bastards. If you have not seen that film, do yourself a favor. Turn off this podcast right now. Go turn it off. And I believe it's on Netflix right now. Go watch that movie yeah because

Starting point is 02:24:26 they and and they he does such a good job mixing in ridiculousness and comedy into darkness and also drama and using modern day music at the same time yes and he pulled he pulls it off yeah i don't know how he pulls it off like rap songs in django like what tupac was in jango like they they won it they won an oscar for that i believe uh yeah but it's like he pulled and then you know you have michael mara michael myers coming in going operation kino we would like i forgot he's in that movie i forgot about we'd like you to do operation keno and and like takes winston churchill who's this historical stalwart figure yep and makes him this fat guy going smoking a cigar in the back and it works i mean i mean that movie every time you hear the word nine or nine

Starting point is 02:25:18 it's like like it's funny because because i remember it it cuts to him just doing that like it's not this scene it cuts to him just going nine you took the words out of my mouth yeah man oh that scene's an all-timer and like i love how they they change history up in that movie but like there are two scenes where i'll be in a bar with mike spear and we are talking to different people at different parts of the table. When you come together. And we'll just, at some point, we'll make eye contact. And one of two things will happen.

Starting point is 02:25:51 He'll either go, nine, nine, nine, nine, nine. Or he'll say, you did it! You did it! Me in the shower! You did it! And goes full my cousin Vinny.

Starting point is 02:26:02 And everyone always looks at us like we're crazy yeah but there's just something about and they're totally different movies but there's something about those two things it's like you know exactly what it is right away and it's fucking hysterical i mean how can you not laugh when you hear brad pitt doing a hardcore american accent trying to do it trying to do it goralami goralami like goralami and they're just like yeah what's his name's third best dominic i don't speak italian exactly third best every time like every time he goes he goes there's dominic the coco and then he goes antonio margarita and he's like a little more music in your voice margarita

Starting point is 02:26:38 it's like it's fucking incredible tarantino. I love Tarantino's work, obviously. I love Django. Huge into the Kill Bill movies. I love Kill Bill Volume 1. The scene where she just owns everybody in that entire room with the sword. Love that scene. The amount of blow and acid and probably like very shitty plastic bottle vodka that tarantino drinks snorts and and takes while writing his scripts to get that genius out is probably unfathomable but it's

Starting point is 02:27:16 incredible yeah because he can take like you think about world war ii yeah and hitler that is the and and then to put comedy in it that is if anyone came to me and i were a corporate suit like i'll even see it from their angle right now someone walked into my office and i'm running warner brothers and they're like listen it's a world war ii movie hitler the whole holocaust but it's funny we fucking murder hitler at the end but you know like the entire time it's a bunch of dark humor and we skin nazis i would be like nope nope and then and then they go oh by the way uh tarantino's attached to do it and he wrote it and they just pick whoa all right now why didn't you lead with that yeah but it's like he can pull that off uh yeah he's definitely like

Starting point is 02:28:03 when it comes to my favorite like this is a good like i love favorite directors like of all time who are you who are your favorite like definitely a christopher nolan is definitely a phenomenal direct uh one of the better ones today denis villeneuve who like if you saw gosling's blade runner 2049 great great great movie like they read they did a sequel to blade runner and gosling i didn't see that oh yeah they did a sequel to blade runner brought back harrison ford and gosling's in it he's the main character great movie blade blade runner 2049 i believe it's called but denise also done like arrival and prisoners was a great movie and this year he's going to be doing dune like like the famous

Starting point is 02:28:40 sci-fi dune movie yeah yeah like he's doing i saw the trailer and i was just like holy shit i don't know the mythology or the background of this but i need to know it now i need to check out this guy's work more oh that's interesting he's one of the best give me his name after i'll check that out yeah it's like dennis but it's pronounced denny of course it's gonna be artistic it's gotta be artistic i like that people keep their names though today okay i like that it's not like you know someone has some 12 syllable last name and suddenly it's smith yeah like i like that guys are keeping there i like that even like it's an easier one to say but like christoph waltz is christoph waltz it's not like chris chris jones

Starting point is 02:29:15 yeah no he's christoph yeah it's it's stupid but then i always love when they when they go well how come every time i think it was in a star is born uh where they're just like why do you got to call me by my first name? I'm not, I'm just Jackson. I'm not Jackson main, but it's like, anytime you saw a celebrity,

Starting point is 02:29:29 you'd just be like, Oh shit. That's that's, that's so-and-so, but you got to say the full name. That's a perfect movie. Yeah. Star is born is great.

Starting point is 02:29:36 I love a star is born. Loved every second of it. I've watched it four times. Yeah. That, that was my, that was my fiance's favorite movie from that year. That,

Starting point is 02:29:43 that movie got me like it, that movie was great. It really, and I'm a huge Brad Cooper guy, but kudos to Lady Gaga as one of the most talented people in the world, man. Oh, yeah. I mean, she's just, that was perfectly written, perfectly directed, perfectly acted. I mean, and Brad Cooper is a guy that makes me want to run through a wall. Because, look, yes, is he like a really good looking dude? Does that make some things easier? Sure.

Starting point is 02:30:11 Didn't for him. This dude, like, go back and watch. He was in the actor's studio in New York. He was in the audience when James What's-His-Face is hosting those things. I've seen that. Asking questions of Sean Penn. Yes, I've seen that video. Asking questions of Robert De Niro. No one from that crowd ever actually makes it to be a star and this guy

Starting point is 02:30:30 he started a sack in wedding crashers he was in nip tuck where he like tried to blow himself american summer yeah that movie was from like 2000 and you know where he got his break doing a comedy and was fucking brilliant as an actor in The Hangover. That's where he got the break. That's what became him a star. And he, dude, like, he was 33, 34 years old. He grinded for years. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:30:55 If you are trying to do anything in your life, like, whatever it is, whatever your dream is, and you're looking for people to be inspired by it or, like, know, like, hey, there's going to be a lot of times where it's not going happen it's not gonna happen you can't like if you ever seen that scene in nip tuck like he literally played like a guy who who broke his neck blowing himself like that is who that is who bradley cooper was playing and shit in like off-bit cable tv shows and he just kept fucking going just keep doing and then he made it and now he's the guy yeah and as an actor i mean to watch what he did in a star is born was moving i mean it was and he directed it yeah i mean it's just like every every time when that movie comes up i always love uh like the scene where he's like, well, I just

Starting point is 02:31:45 want you to go to that and play that song of yours, like in that accent. I want you to play that song of yours. I want to go home and play that song. He's got like the little nasal thing. Oh, he's just constantly hammered throughout that movie. Taught himself to sing, too. Actually, that's what I give him respect. Like, I love Rami Malek and Bohemian Rhapsody came out the same year, but he's not singing.

Starting point is 02:32:04 Bradley Cooper is singing in the movie. and had a number one song yeah in the country god yeah that song i mean that song broke up broke up his broke up his relationship did you ever watch the oscars from that yeah i don't think that's right but like like so they usually perform like the best original song yeah no i know what you're talking they did it but like his girl picture down yeah his girlfriend his girlfriend's sitting in between both of them and then when they go up like you just watch them both grab hands over her and then walk up it's like you could tell that relationship was done i don't know if i read that much into it but i do that's what arena shank a lot of talent we'll say that anyway neither here nor there but he's i mean i just i get so inspired by watching him do what he did because i what's funny is i used to watch inside the actor

Starting point is 02:32:51 studio and before brad cooper was brad cooper i think wedding crashers that just came out so this is like 06 because wedding crashers was 05 and i was watching that sean penn one so this is like 06 07 somewhere in there yeah and i see him stand up i'm like that's the motherfucker winning crush was hilarious wow he's like taking himself seriously good for him good for him and then a couple years later he's like wait that hangover guy fucker's in the hangover yeah and then like he does limitless like okay and then he does silver lining playbook and you're like whoa silver linings playbook great obviously as an eagles fan we we we move towards that sure but you know it's a heavy movie it is

Starting point is 02:33:31 a heavy movie it's a heavy movie and that was also that was an important movie for robert de niro because he had had a couple rough ones hey brought him back and it really you know it just catapulted him to bring him back but brad cooper mad mad respect yeah for what he does yeah i mean i i have respect for like like the guys that started off shitty and then they you you come back around to them like a lot of people did not like like i wasn't the biggest fan of leo like in the titanic area and like the beach and stuff and then but when when i finally saw i think it was the aviator when like he like he started to to be leo and then it was the departed but i always think of like matthew mcconaughey and the mcconaissance you took the words out of my mouth mcconaughey was great early

Starting point is 02:34:17 on in his career mcconaughey and ben affleck are similar except i don't think ben affleck was really ever good early in his career ben affleck is good at dazed and confused dude Ben Affleck was really ever good early in his career. Ben Affleck got... He's good at dazed and confused. Dude, Ben Affleck was Matt Damon's friend who sat there and smoked weed while they wrote Good Will Hunting. Family Guy is a hilarious clip that rips on that exact moment that you're talking about. Like Matt Damon's finishing the script, he's like, Good Will Hunting by Matt Damon.

Starting point is 02:34:39 And then literally Affleck's on the couch going, yeah, why don't you throw my name on there too? But he came out and he did like we talked about this earlier but like the gone baby gone argo the town and suddenly another great one like matt like like ben affleck can act but matthew mcconaughey had some of the early ones and then i loved him in reign of fire he was incredible in that like you know with the with the skinhead and and the smoke and the never thought I'd be talking about rain of fire. Oh my God.

Starting point is 02:35:06 Operation paperclip so much in just a short time. Underrated. But he went, like a lot of people thought Matthew McConaughey was a terrible actor. Yeah. And then did a few things. But for my money, I will never forget watching True Detective. Best season of a show ever. First season. Best season of a show ever. First season.

Starting point is 02:35:28 Best season of a show. I'm not going to disagree with you, man. Season-wise, I mean, it's frightening. It's good. You had mentioned that scene from Goodfellas, the cabana scene, where it's the one long shot. It might be overtopped in that first season. There's that one scene where he's the one long shot it might be over topped in that first season there's that one scene where he's just going in and out like he's carrying like he's bringing the guy like he's like i think he took somebody from somebody's house and then he's running through the houses

Starting point is 02:35:53 like trying to avoid fire from other people it's a great but it's like a 13 minute one long shot which is which is amazing but yeah that that that first season was incredible. I love the documentary in-and-out storytelling of that. You know, when he's sitting there like, I'm going to need another drink. And you just got these two detectives like this fucking guy. Well, usually on Thursdays I start drinking by noon, so somebody's going to have to go to a store for me. It's one o'clock right now.

Starting point is 02:36:22 Reggie Ledoux. Shout out to my boys ledoux reggie ledoux you don't know what evil is until evil looks you right in the eyes stare you down comes to get you like can you imagine just being a detective like dude shut the fuck up like just tell me what happened i'm just i'm just trying to work nine to five right now man it's like i just want to catch the guy like maybe i will maybe blacked out since 11 in the morning what are you doing but that was um the writing pisolato did in that yeah he kind of fucked himself because you can never top that writing no two and three two and two is the most unforgettable and i hated the ending to three i didn't love the ending to three

Starting point is 02:37:04 but what i will say is he really redeemed himself in three yeah you know if you put two alone and just you didn't have the first one maybe it's pretty good it'd be interesting to revisit yeah i'll tell you what it'd be interesting because i remember colin farrell beats the the she's got like the fat ginger son and he beats the shit out of like the dad and the son yeah yeah psycho the the first seat i mean what's crazy is woody harrelson is so fucking amazing in that first season yep but we actually kind of forget about it a little bit because mcconaughey was just that dude well this was like around the time it was the beginning of the mcissance. Like he would go on to to to win the Oscar that year for Dallas Buyers Club. And then he would go on to be like at the Emmys or the Globes.

Starting point is 02:37:51 And they're all just like, dude, what are you doing here? Like like you're you're a movie star and he's going up against like I think he would have won the Emmy if it wasn't the fact that was the final season of Breaking Bad that same year. Like so he lost to Cranston, of course. Love Bryan Cranston. Think Breaking Bad is an incredible show. I will, and we can debate this, I think The Sopranos, The Wire, Breaking Bad, and Mad Men are four TV shows that I call perfect shows.

Starting point is 02:38:18 Okay, so wait, I'm glad that you brought up Cranston. Okay. Because, and I'm telling everybody now, the best show on TV right now, it's on Showtime called Your Honor. Yep. This is the best show on TV right now. The season finale, I believe, is this Sunday.

Starting point is 02:38:35 So go binge the first nine episodes or eight episodes. You will love it. My parents are talking about that. They're watching it. But catch up. Cranston is another one that could never happen without jim jim gandolfini yeah never let's brian brian cranston was the dad and malcolm in the middle god i love him and he bodied it but the reason he got the breaking bad rule is because he did one x-files episode back in the day and was so riveting yeah that like the whole concept

Starting point is 02:38:59 of breaking bad is like take mr chips and turn him into scarface and dude i mean that show still gets you and they did it on cable tv too they were limited who the hell is amc like what what network is that think about when amc was crushing it with that show and the walking dead was at the absolute height like amc was killing it i think that in his own style differently vince gilligan is a quentin tarantino of tv okay because he takes very and it's not some people are screaming at me right now listen that it's not parallel you don't have like crazy like dark ridiculous that was ketchup coming out and clearly not even good prosthetics. It's not like that. But he mixes comedy into darkness. And you can make the argument with The Sopranos too,

Starting point is 02:39:53 but The Sopranos is the mob vibe. It's like a little different. He mixes darkness into everyday comedy. Yeah. That if you gave me the concept of Breaking Bad, I'd have been like, no, no,

Starting point is 02:40:08 no. And then they somehow still keep it. Like, you know, they have the kid and she's got, you know, Sky has the business in season three and all that, you know? And she was kind of insufferable as a character to me.

Starting point is 02:40:19 She is. She, my friends constantly debate, like who are some of like the worst worst people on TV and on movies. Skylar is up there, along with Jenny from Forrest Gump. Usually, I only say this about guys. I don't have a lot of examples for women for whatever reason. You'll watch movies or TV shows, and you just dislike a guy because of their face.

Starting point is 02:40:43 Yeah, sure. Not because they're way too good looking or really ugly ugly there's just something about their face and the role yeah rob riggle and what is it step brothers it's something about i just want to just punch it well we're not going to say that about females at all we never condemn that here never but something about skylar's face never did it for me yeah like very attractive woman i just don't like in that role something about it but she was that's the thing i could ignore it because she was fucking terrific she was really weird yeah like it's bizarre it's not like oh she it's not like uh coppola's daughter in godfather 3 sofia who was terrible right good director right exactly like

Starting point is 02:41:23 stay behind the lens yeah sky was excellent but it was just that was the one thing that was a little off and then like even the sun worked for me and they went outside the box there too which was really cool and you know i don't know how many roles he gets these days but he should because he was terrific there's just so much about that show where it's like oh this isn't gonna work and that just did yeah and what i love about like what i was just talking about your honor is you kind of get that same show but he's now just a judge and and i'm not gonna give because i just i want you literally we're done with this like you go watch just like the first episode isn't that similar where it's like his son did something wrong because you were talking about another one with your son but yeah this is where the sun does something and the sun has has has come up onto my

Starting point is 02:42:09 top 10 list of some of the worst people ever the sun in this show your honor but great but like another a show that did that is that is similar to breaking bad that i absolutely love ozark if you're not watching ozark on netflix with Bateman... Here's an unpopular opinion. Love Jason Bateman. Don't say you hate Laura Linney. Don't say you hate his wife. No, Laura Linney's a great actress. She's phenomenal, especially in season three. She's unbelievable.

Starting point is 02:42:34 I was not a fan of the show. Really? I watched the whole first season. I couldn't do it. Everybody's got their own opinion. I don't mind it. There's so much great acting in this but just something about it couldn't do and i literally haven't met someone who who has that take i just i don't know they had me they had me in the scene where like in the like the first episode when bateman just talks his way out of not getting killed and that's just what the show is he just finds a way to talk his way out of shit and i gotta give jason bateman credit a guy who came from comedic talents

Starting point is 02:43:10 and does a really good drama role he's another one that underrated as hell man steve carell oh dude steve carell steve carell is just every time i think like he can't get more incredible and does it he does something more incredible yeah the one that did it for me was the wrestling movie uh i was about to say fox catcher yeah i was just talking about this movie with with alex the other night with uh with channing tatum and and mark ruffalo as like the brothers and he's like that he's like he's got when i saw the nose i was just like. Like, who the hell is that guy? When I saw the weird nose and knew it was Steve Carell, I'm like, I'm going to hate this. This is going to be fucking terrible.

Starting point is 02:43:49 And I watched it and I believed him. When they can nail like the prosthetics and the makeup, like the truly ones, like turning Gary Oldman into Winston Churchill, like that one, I'm like an Oscar. Like, and then you just saw Colin Farrell. That did not look like Colin Farrell in that movie trailer for the Batman. But when you go and look at the picture, you're gonna be like, it still doesn't. You farrell that that did not look like colin farrell in that movie trailer for the batman but when you go and look at the picture you're gonna be like it still doesn't you're telling me that's colin farrell like 100 pounds heavier but it looks legit and he's like looks like a gangster but like those like those ones those people like they deserve the oscars for the ones that can truly pull it off some of the things that christian bale has pulled off

Starting point is 02:44:22 because you said that's your favorite guy i love i love you know what one i haven't watched yet that i can't wait to watch this is like a sin i haven't watched this the the vice one yes where's dick cheney yes bro great you want to talk about the trailer great movie you loved it i i am but this after you're done with this i'll go back into another director that i absolutely love but go go for it no i'm i that's literally what i said like i saw it and i'm like because i i'm i highly dislike dick cheney so i was very excited that there was a movie coming yeah it's it's it's phenomenal how they work but the director adam mckay he's adam mckay directed that anchorman like the anchorman movies like stepbrothers the other guys everybody's worked with will ferrell and then he does the big short i can't stop re-watching that movie all the time the big short is incredible once again it shows that steve carell can do something it's got gosling uh that movie that

Starting point is 02:45:15 movie's an all-timer it's got brad pitt it tells a good story while keeping it funny gosling did a movie do you know what movie i'm thinking of not blue valentine because that that the outside the box one that some people are like, oh, they immediately say that because that was an indie that was extremely underrated. He's incredible. Yeah. But he did a movie that did not get nominated for Oscars. Is it The Place Beyond the Pines? I knew you were going to go there. Great.

Starting point is 02:45:40 Another Bradley. Back to Bradley again. Bro. Place Beyond the pines very ryan gosling is in that movie for an hour he's got that eminem hair right like he's like very blonde i think isn't he very blondish and like that movie yeah that is one of the most moving performances i've ever seen he is that that that to me his performance in that movie like you talk about philip seymour hoff saying do less, which he was in that scene with Gosling in the Eyes of March. wild child early 50s biker roll yeah and maintain this level of just kind of right down the middle

Starting point is 02:46:31 and doing all this crazy shit and like it's i don't know man like i remember what like that is a movie you must sit down in your seat that's a great movie nobody not many people know as you right not many people know about it but i believe it's it's bradley cooper gosling and eva mendez i think yep yeah and there's some other great actors but i think they're like the three the three main who plays the father who plays bradley's father i don't remember i'm dry that's sin i can't remember that yeah that's a movie i haven't seen in a while the guy who is uh the wingman with with with um with ryan gosling i never remember his name he's an unbelievable character actor though The guy who is the wingman with Ryan Gosling. I never remember his name.

Starting point is 02:47:06 He's an unbelievable character actor, though. You know who I'm talking about. The guy who's got the little lisp. Oh, my God. I'm totally blanking. I'm sorry. But, yeah. Like, that movie.

Starting point is 02:47:20 But that's another example. The corporate suits fucked that one up. They brought that movie out in March. Yeah. Like, whoever did that should just go stand in a corner and stare at it yeah i mean like that comes down to like whenever i know a movie is coming out they say coming out january i know it's it's it's garbage it's whatever and that's what december used to be until star wars changed that and then star wars then all of a sudden they just realized look nobody is watching movies over the holidays and into January. We can just keep crushing money.

Starting point is 02:47:49 And that's literally how those movies, like they just said, all right, we're going to get away from the May date. We're going to put in December. You're going to watch it for the next month and a half in the theaters. We're going to make over a billion and a half. And, you know, the end of Oscar season run with all of it. So just a movie like that, the fact that they put it out then, it took away its ability for people to see it. But I recommend it to anyone who will ask,

Starting point is 02:48:13 like, give me a movie to recommend because it is a true story. Yeah. It is a true riveting generation. It's a crime movie. Yes. Great crime movie. Generational drama.

Starting point is 02:48:22 And like, that was, i think it came out in 2012 that sounds about right that was when bradley cooper had heated up yeah and like that's the thing he's so fucking good in that yeah but he's overshadowed it's one of those because you don't even appreciate him because ryan gosling is just that dude like that you you want to talk about the opening scene just fucking following him around, literally walking in the locker room of this shit carnival, and you don't see his face, but you see the ridiculous blonde hair, and he's like, I think he's playing with a knife or something.

Starting point is 02:48:57 He's playing with something. He's playing with a butterfly knife. Yeah, and then he just walks into the ring and gets on the motorcycle, and the sound and everything. You're like, oh. What did you ever see Drive with Gosling? Who else was in that? I think it's just him.

Starting point is 02:49:16 But he essentially plays like the getaway driver. Yes. The Drive is an amazing movie. That's an old movie. It came around, I think, around the same time as The Place Beyond the Pines. Really? Yeah, I think it might have came out a little while. But that's another great Gosling movie. Another great Gosling movie.

Starting point is 02:49:28 The Other Guys with, oh my God, I'm totally blanking on Russell Crowe. Him and Russell Crowe together. Great movie. I have not seen that. It's a good movie. I've seen The Other Guys. Yeah. With Mark Wahlberg and Will Ferrell.

Starting point is 02:49:42 No, sorry. It's not The Other Guys. It's The Nice Guys. The Nice Guys. That's the name of it. The other guys is the one with walford yeah but the nice guys yeah probably somebody just blowing up in the comments all right well somewhere in there you went through some of your favorite directors who else did you miss but uh but adam mckay was one i was getting yeah like talk about somebody that completely switched up his career with one movie gets all the oscar buzz then comes back and does vice and now he's got another movie coming out in netflix that has like that it's about i think

Starting point is 02:50:09 it's almost periodish but it's about like global warming it's got like leo it's got jennifer lawrence it's got a massive cast and you're like you're telling me the anchorman guy can now pull this kind of things but that's what happens when you get your one shot like with something new and you crush it like the big short crushed it. Love that movie. It's art, dude. It's art. Obviously, I'm a huge Scorsese guy because if you study old movies, like 30s and 40s

Starting point is 02:50:34 movies, and study Italian films too, where a lot of great art happened, and I studied that in college, you see the homages that Scorsorsese does in every film it's amazing yeah but i always look again i look at the top of the leg what are the most perfect movies ever made godfather one and godfather two are two absolutely stupendous movies that remain culturally socially and symbolically relevant today and it's literally about the mafia which is the craziest part but it's about america it's about it's about the bastardization and the downsides of the american dream and to me it's another prime example of simplicity because coppola's style is let the actors act and give them the best lens to just continuously act it's not all this up close and cutting and

Starting point is 02:51:25 bullshit it is just boom scenes boom dude you watch even even where where vito you know gives out you watch how they did that and how he did the end of it and he does this a lot he did it with the fredo scene and all that the long shot where you're not even up close with them yeah and it's just and it just sits there yeah and and sees and i'll tell you one movie that frighteningly and this director is really underrated one movie that frighteningly frighteningly reminded me of coppola's style that i saw in the theaters that had i had a visceral reaction to because it's an emotional movie yeah was steve oh my god why am i forgetting his last name is it steve mcqueen yeah steve mcqueen 12 years a slave oh yeah oh yeah oh yeah the cinematography in that in that movie where he

Starting point is 02:52:20 just let it sit how he was like how can i do less yeah that's a perfect movie that's that's great that's such a good it's such it's hard to watch it's hard to watch especially when like you you're just like oh my god am i just fast bender like am i just a piece of shit but the worst person is is um what's her what's her name from uh like all the american horse movie um and now his plays uh nurse ratchet oh my i'm it's it's can't believe i'm blanking on her name right now but dude it's tough here and like i i'll admit i know they're acting they're doing a great job but it is tough hearing like great actors throw around you know yeah they say nothing what they're doing in it too but just throw around the

Starting point is 02:53:02 n-bomb left and right it's very it's it's hard to hear that yeah it's on it is it's not just uncomfortable because society it's uncomfortable because like you know like that's michael fastbender or like that's that's paul giamatti yeah doing that and like giamatti too and it's like i gotta i mean i respect them for being able to go do it but i can't even imagine yeah it's just it's you know i don't fear words but there's like certain things it's like it's not even a word it's like a it's a history well it was supposed to be i remember it was supposed to be originally be will smith in django but he said he couldn't do it because of the amount of n-bombs like it dropped in that movie so he didn't want to be he didn't want to be a part of it dude i don't i don't blame him i mean and and that one you know

Starting point is 02:53:48 they mix comedy into it too you mentioned that earlier like he finds a way to put comedy in the music and the modern day music that's why i think they call them like director dj like or dj director that's of they often refer to tarantino because he knows how to bring that that modern day music into something from the 1800s which is fucking which is fucking crazy but god i love that movie but yeah and then you got the classic directors like like spielberg like spielberg spielberg of course like spielberg and like doing like uh the indie movies jurassic park whatever one of his more recent ones that i liked a lot was ready player one which i know was a big huge book that a lot of people loved and then he adapted it but that's another that's another one you gotta we always forget spielberg spielberg's well it's because like it's just like oh it's spielberg yeah it's spielberg

Starting point is 02:54:32 you know exactly exactly yeah i i know the the mcqueen guy a friend of mine is is i fucking hate name dropping and so i'm gonna stay very mysterious fucking hate name dropping it's all good it just kind of came up friend of mine is let's just say close to the process of the tupac documentary okay and the guy who's now gonna do it is did you ever see the defiant ones who's who's no one that that's what i said this is the conversations i love having i love having movies and shows that i miss so now i know what to watch this weekend defiant ones is a four-part documentary that came out in 2017 that chronicles jimmy iveen Dr. Dre and their rise up through music

Starting point is 02:55:25 where they eventually met, like their careers officially came together and then, you know, goes to Beats and Apple Music and the whole nine. But it is a tour de force of the history of music since 1970. That's awesome. Everything.

Starting point is 02:55:42 I gotta watch it. And, you know, my favorite of all time is Tupac and you know, I always say my favorite artists of all time, Tupac and Frank Sinatra and people look at me like I have 10 heads. I mean, that's quite, that's quite a, that's where I'm at. But the, the POC biopic that happened and the same guy was heavily involved with that and then pulled out because they're kept on being problems and they fucked it up so bad i mean it was a horrible movie historically inaccurate oh right the one that they did recently right so bad oh i remember so bad so when that was going to happen because this guy was no

Starting point is 02:56:18 longer involved and anyone who was important was no longer involved and they knew it was going to be bad he was like we need to tell his story and we need to do it right so they're going to do a five-part documentary i cannot wait for on netflix and it's going to be i think his name is alan hughes it's twins i think this one's alan alan did if it is alan we'll check that after he did the defiant ones and he did i mean it's a documentary but the art of a documentary for directing is such an underrated thing again i love it that's why they get oscars that's why they get oscars the way episode three of that is the interscope episode okay where they go through that because that's the biggest part that is the story it is the climax of the whole thing and you cannot tell

Starting point is 02:57:04 the interscope story without pock because he was i mean you're talking everyone nine inch nails gwen stefani all these major league trendsetters were there dr dre snoop dogg but like pock was the gasoline and the fire yeah and culturally socially musically the stories i've heard about him behind the scenes and the talent and the things he did the number of songs he recorded in his career that we will never know about yeah is absurd it's in i don't know that it's at 10 000 but at 10 000 bro no wonder why we were hearing music for another 15 years after oh they haven't released a lot of it he would record songs and be like i didn't like it delete it dude he would he was a horse yeah but the way that alan hughes introduced him in that

Starting point is 02:57:52 movie and he said it was emotional for him too because pock was bipolar you know he was he was a he was one of the smartest people to ever walk this earth but he was a he was a brilliant guy was very very tortured and so he had his emotional issues and he was always he was a brilliant guy. He was very, very tortured. And so he had his emotional issues and he was always – he was thinking about people and then he had to play a role of like tough guy and he was just very – Very paranoid too, right? Oh, my God. Very paranoid. Maybe. I always say maybe not dead.

Starting point is 02:58:18 But that's another conversation for another day. Another day. But he died at 25. People don't think about that. Yeah, way too young. And when he died, he was in a lawsuit with Alan Hughes because he got in a fistfight with him. You know, because Pac was also, he was like the first legit rapper actor because, I mean. I forget about that, that he acted too. He's an unbelievable actor.

Starting point is 02:58:42 Yeah. And so Alan Hughes, like they did, did i forget what movie but he literally got in a fight with him and then was in a lawsuit and so alan hughes had to make this movie and he said what's crazy is i'm making this movie 20 years later and i realized i never dealt with that i never dealt with his death and like you know it was they died on bad terms but he loved him yeah and like he loves what he did for music and he was like like i teared up making this movie because i'm like holy pox dead which sounds crazy but i just never just i just never faced it yeah and the way that he transitioned poc into this movie he takes

Starting point is 02:59:18 the famous music video from brenda's got a baby on poc's first album where he's coming around the corner in the black and white all right and he puts it like in silence and then takes the song shed so many tears which was years later and is like this deep like like sad anthem for the hood and like comes into it and like every like i would re i would rewind it every time like i gotta watch that again ten seconds back it is unreal so when i see directing like that and now i know he's gonna be directing the actual poc documentary i'm like oh my god it's fine like people are finally looking forward to it appreciate this man i'm looking forward to it now you just got me you just got me really pumped man that's

Starting point is 02:59:59 that's all about what what what i've been doing is is i love opening up the conversation because that's another thing i was never really into like documentaries and docu-series like that was another thing that alex turned me on to was watching that that and like the award shows never used to watch them always used to thought they were dumb as hell but like but the docu-series especially now i think it's like the perfect background show for me like while like i do other stuff is i like having a good docu-cuseries because i'm not into like the gruesome murder shit she's into that more than i am yeah like what was the one on netflix the the guy who was like kind of innocent and he's in jail oh uh making a murder making a murderer yeah like i didn't really get into that no i wasn't i wasn't and i think i only

Starting point is 03:00:41 watched like half of it to be honest but that's do it. That's never been me. I never want to. Why are we glorifying these people? Yeah, I do like a good docuseries, though, and I love a good. I've been a longtime documentary guy. Well, I can tell by this conversation that you're a very bunch of documentary guy, and I'm trying to get myself to that. If you like music at all, The Defiant Ones is it. And you'll learn about music, too. Yeah.

Starting point is 03:01:03 Like I go. I'm crazy with music i go across every generation like i love everything except country sorry people and so country's good on a nice saturday in lewisburg yeah maybe but i knew pretty much everything that was happening in that movie you know when they went from tom petty to like fucking easy like i fuck both of those guys yeah right but there are a lot of people watch that and maybe like they don't they don't listen to tom petty or they never heard of easy yeah whatever then they they watch this they're like oh my god yeah you know like i would turn people they would watch this documentary and

Starting point is 03:01:38 then they'd be turn on the music that i could never get them to listen to before but now they see the story behind it it's amazing i mean everybody always just loves it as long as it's a good story you got you got people involved man and you hear somebody who dies so young especially somebody like easy e like like i loved i loved the guy that played him in straight out of compton got robbed he did get robbed yeah he did get a lot but like when he just goes into like that that that scene like in the booth he puts the hats down puts the shades on and then he's just like he's cruising down the street love that cruising down the street and my six foe yo damn he that was good man dude great movie that was another one shivers he nailed it yeah like a lot of these guys don't nail you know the real life larger than life figure like that

Starting point is 03:02:20 he fucking nailed it yeah remy malik you just stole the words rami malik is the one that he nailed it yeah remy malik you just stole the words rami malik is the one that he is called remy i know rami i know that's another one i need to watch mr robot because i heard he's fantastic but like rami malik because bohemian rhapsody was my favorite movie of that year it was it was because i i am i love queen and i just love the music was it a concert movie yeah did i enjoy the out of it you bet your ass I did. There are a lot of things that we're not going to get to today because we're coming up on the end. We've been talking for a while. I haven't nerded out on movies and TV shows.

Starting point is 03:02:53 It's called sweating. Getting sweaty. Sweating out. Exactly. Well, I don't know if that's what I would call it, but we'll say exactly because I want to agree with you as my guest. I miss doing this and talking to a guy who knows fucking every single thing is i i love it but i i cannot let you out of here without touching on something that we didn't get into earlier which is the movie theaters because as you said yes you did start going back

Starting point is 03:03:17 when they opened up it's not the same there's no one in there there's you know you're masked up and all that shit but movie theaters were already in trouble because before corona you had this ability to not have to take the effort and go somewhere and let alone fucking pay to get a seat yeah you can do it on demand watch it with your girlfriend chill in the apartment you know whatever yeah do you think that they're ever going to come back now as a result of this because now they've been economically destroyed i mean like amc was was dying like was dead like they they literally hit like the perfect storm of bad things to happen when corona happened because they started like their own the only reason how i was able to go to a movie every thursday it's because amc had

Starting point is 03:04:03 had a program called a list where like you pay like 20 bucks a month you're allowed to see three movies a week so like all you have to do is see a movie twice like like because movie tickets cost 25 now so you do is see two movies a month and you pay it out and so they were doing that not only that but they were buying up all the little small theater chains and then they were they were renovating and right as they started turning a profit kovat happened and that's literally why they were in so much debt like they were just starting to come out of that and then like like luckily they were able to get a few cash injections and then the whole big thing happened where they were able to pick up some money that at least that was only a band-aid on top of the massive wound that they that they are currently

Starting point is 03:04:43 facing i pray to god that they come back obviously i love going to the movie theater uh nothing beats seeing a movie unless you see in the theater like because when you're watching at home you get distracted by so many things but when you're in a movie you're locked in and that's it that's all you're doing and when you're sitting there with a mask on it sucks like and you don't get like sometimes the interaction with the audience during a movie can make a movie better it can make it a lot worse too but then like you're just like the whole time you're just like looking around you're like you're not even focusing on the movie because you're breathing into a mask and it sucks like i i

Starting point is 03:05:17 encourage people to go to the movies but like it it sucks it really does but there's gonna be a lot to get people more locked in at home i mean mean, COVID aside, Anthony Fenu is putting your movies right here. That would be, I mean, that would be awesome. I mean, he's doing it. Like some Iron Man shit, just being like. He can do it right here where you're watching it in 3D instead of on the screen. Oh, my God. It's everything.

Starting point is 03:05:38 And so the trends already were bad. And nostalgically, I mean this this country was built on the entertainment industry among many other things but that's certainly something that it's like there's just something about like if you're an entourage fan you watch you love all the movie premiere scenes in there oh yeah you go back you watch you watch old clips of the news where people were lining up outside the movie theaters in in world war ii to see the latest news there is i agree with you there's something about being so locked in and in there and that special event that's awesome but i don't fight societal trends because i know

Starting point is 03:06:16 that's where they go like that's why i don't fight things like bitcoin actually i fucking love bitcoin and been an early adopter of that um But you don't fight the things where the people are telling you, hey, we're going for convenience and control. Yeah. And so movie theaters don't allow that. It's cost to go there. You have to physically travel there. You have to take time out of your day. It turns on when it turns on.

Starting point is 03:06:39 If you got to piss, you can't pause it. You got to spend 15 bucks for a popcorn there. You can fucking make it at home and probably make better popcorn. There's all these things around it. And now you've normalized people to being away from things that the things I think people are going to really go back to with COVID are the social things. Going to the bar and getting fucked up, which I can't wait to do. Very much looking forward to that. I am hitting up like we are buying

Starting point is 03:07:05 tables at premiere when this shit is over down in ac like that is fucking happening god yeah you can't do that yeah like at your house you're not fucking creating a club in there with you know some rapper playing headlining on friday night like that's not happening a movie theater you can recreate i was just in a basement that had a 300 inch screen yeah damn whose fucking basement was that venues name drop so no but but really like i went down there i'm like why would you ever need to go to a movie theater yeah but i mean like it's not like he can get the new stuff there and what's really hurt like the movie theaters right now is the fact that they're not even releasing all the big blockbusters right now.

Starting point is 03:07:48 They just keep pushing them back, keep pushing them back. And those – people didn't go to movie theaters, at least right now, to go see the smaller stuff. There are people that do. But the ones that are getting the non-casual fans are those huge blockbusters. And they're not coming out right now. But isn't HBO Max putting out all of a couple companies like well this is this is this is the thing about hbo max is they didn't tell a lot of a lot of the the people who made these movies that they were just doing like we're gonna put it out the same day it comes out in theaters like like that's what then they got into a huge

Starting point is 03:08:18 scuff with uh legendary who's like who's done a lot they they were like behind the batman like you would recognize like no there's always 10 million symbols right before a movie starts. You would recognize the symbol. And they literally had to pay Legendary $250 million so that they could then stream Godzilla vs. Kong,

Starting point is 03:08:36 which comes out later in March. Look, I understand these guys, and I respect it. You listen to Scorsese, he's made some comments about superhero movies that people certainly disagree with he's entitled to his opinion of course fucking marty scorsese absolutely shout out goat but you can't history is not kind to people who fight the trends yes and you have and look when you're older you have, and look, when you're older, you got to adjust. And to Scorsese's credit, he's made a career on being respectful of the past.

Starting point is 03:09:09 Yeah. And integrating it into his films to this day. Yeah. So if anyone's walked the talk with that and not just totally rewritten the books on stuff, it's him. But he also did rewrite the books on how he scored his movies. I mean, he has the most expensive soundtracks of all time integrating pop music more perfectly than any director did before that was like really, really, really a thing in serious dramas

Starting point is 03:09:32 as a part of the story itself. Not that it hadn't been done before, but he was one of the innovators there. So he did new shit too. And what he's got to realize is like, Marty, I know you love the theater but it's probably going away and I'll respect him for doing

Starting point is 03:09:52 the Netflix thing he did go there but you know when you talk about how films are supposed to be consumed when these guys talk about it well cinema oh yeah the cinema is the word they use all the time the cinema is supposed to be consumed it these guys talk about it well cinema oh yeah the cinema is the word they use all the time like the cinema is supposed to be consumed it's a film right what is that from

Starting point is 03:10:11 oh no no that's just i think no that's no no that's from a spoof oh you're right oh billy um director billy oh it's a film it's a film not a movie i don't make movies easy i make films easy suit that's easy so you're not gonna get that past me yeah that's pretty good but these guys you you have to adjust and like i try to picture like fen you and and riley and baker the founders over there at sword like trying to explain this to like some lifelong artists who've studied film and this is the shit they do and saying look love what you're doing now we're gonna put it life form in front of you and those guys just being like you yeah it's it's a hard conversation i mean it it unfortunately is the future and it's a future like that i really don't because i want the movie theaters to always be around as i said

Starting point is 03:11:00 theater experience so much it's so much better it makes there's so many times where i've loved a movie so much more than somebody who just saw it when they were like at home watching it i was like because you don't get like just the sound of the music just coming from everywhere that's true and you got a screen so big that you can't take your eyes off it where meanwhile when you're watching on like your little 45 50 inch tv you're watching on your screen every every three seconds you just don't get texting. Yeah. Just don't get the same feeling.

Starting point is 03:11:27 It's not the same. Plus, plus I miss, I miss my movie theater popcorn and, and one trick of the trade, which, which I hope when eventually people go back is, have you ever heard of the, the, the butter straw? This is going to be the fattest. Is this a heart attack in a straw it's essentially but no what you do is you take your bag of popcorn you know how when you always put butter on the top and then you're like halfway through the the popcorn you're like shit this is it's stale already i never put

Starting point is 03:11:56 the butter on the top well if for the people the fat people like me that do is is when there's the butter dispenser you put the straw into the popcorn and the butter goes down the straw and you slowly move it up so the butter evens out all the way to the top the fattest and greatest thing in the world ever i miss my butter straw all right well let's let's let's end on a disagreement there that's pretty funny though listen dude this this was awesome this was amazing man i love love having like a left, out of left field podcast like this, where it's just like, we just riffed on culture.

Starting point is 03:12:29 I don't get to do this as much anymore where we're talking about specifically like movies and TV shows. So this is amazing. Thanks for doing this. Always, man. And where can people find your blog? Yeah, so follow us on Instagram, Facebook,

Starting point is 03:12:41 maybe TikTok, maybe whatever. We're gonna work on TikTok. We're gonna work on TikTok. What's the ad on Instagram? I'm gonna include instagram i'm gonna include at flicks and flicks uh the first flicks is cks and the last one is the next after netflix one x yeah one x on the on the end one which i i understand is a little hard but yeah like comment do all that you got a solid page you got like five six thousand followers just doing it on the side i mean mean this is really – and this is why I wanted to bring you on. I want to have people on here early, at least some of the people who maybe aren't looking at something that they're really, really fucking good at to add a ton of value who I think should be doing it to blow up.

Starting point is 03:13:18 I think you guys are really, really fucking good at this. You have the male-female combo too. So there is every angle of it covered oh yeah and people follow follow the blog on instagram just start there and we're gonna work on yeah guys guys please follow us you know every wednesday we post a watch list i mean every friday we post a watch list telling you what's coming on that weekend if you're staying at home which everybody is right now we'll tell you what to watch trust me if there are flies on this dude they're paying rent because there is nothing absolutely nothing missing from the watch list i mean you you cover

Starting point is 03:13:52 i think you've had some foreign films on there and shit oh definitely yeah which is just you gotta get out of the box sometimes amazing so yeah great content keep it coming and uh we'll go follow the page and we'll do this again man i man. I can't wait to do this again with you, man. This is awesome. This is amazing, man. I love it. Thanks for coming down on a weeknight. Another New York guy coming down on a weeknight.

Starting point is 03:14:12 I love this shit. We're building something here. New York, New Jersey, baby, for life. All right. Well, everyone else, you know what it is. Give it a thought. Get back to me. Peace.

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