Julian Dorey Podcast - #366 - Secrets of the Freemasons, “Godfather” of Occultism & Epstein’s Strange Emails | Mark Gagnon

Episode Date: December 16, 2025

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Dude, let me tell you, you should see it. It's fire. I've watched a fucking 40 times. It's really, really good. It's really, really good. Did you guys like it? Dude, we got to talk about it. We have to talk about it.

I don't want to ruin the end because there's some people that haven't seen it. Listen, if you haven't seen it, that's your fault. Spoiler alert. It's really good, dude. Movies are fire, turns out. I didn't know this. I never really watched movies. I'm not, like, super into that.

But it turns out there's some good. ones out there. Yes, there are some excellent ones, especially by one Quentin Tarantino. Exactly. And I was watching it the whole time, I was like, where are the feet? And then he gives them to you right at the end. So every time that I did it in Glorious Bastard's reference on any podcast we've ever done it. I thought you're quoting Winston Churchill. Yeah, you've not in a long going. I thought it was history. I was like, oh, it was just totally going with him completely lying. How do you think I felt when I watched in Glorious Bastard was like, oh, Julian was stealing this whole time? Of course I was fucking stealing from it. It's incredible.

I was so excited. I was like, damn, this guy's a poet. This guy's just so nice with words. Oblash, him. Yeah. I just thought this how you talked. I was like, I guess he had like a, I don't know, like a Cajun uncle or something. I didn't know. Listen, here we are. It's a revolutionary film.

It's probably, I always say this, outside of the Godfather, which kind of set the standard for modern cinema, it has the best opening scene of all time. Oh, yeah. Glorious bastards, as far as dialogue goes, you will never see a better scene. Like, I just picture Quentin Tarantino. sitting in like a CD bar somewhere like three and half beers deep

maybe a little bit of blow and a bathroom that's abandoned in the back that you can go and get a little bit of an edge every like 10 minutes just to keep remembering and someone talking to him next to him while he's like, shut the fuck up and writing that whole scene.

There are Jews under the floorboards. I think there are Jews and some guys interrupt him. Not now. I'm trying to envision Jews under the floorboards, please. Where was I? How yes. Two glass of the milk, please. So you had never seen Christoph Waltz.

No. No. Oh, my God. Not at all. But then I actually saw Alec Baldwin do that joke at the Oscars. You saw this. I did not see that. He was like, oh, Christoph Waltz, you're known as being the Jew hunter.

You are, you know, in glorious pastures, the Jew hunter. And over here is, you know, all the people that made the movie. So Christoph, the mother load. It's pretty good. That's pretty good. Well, unfortunately, the one. thing none of us really want to talk about is the fact that Harvey Weinstein was technically behind that movie. He was behind a lot of people. Wait, and movies, and movies, and movies, and

movies. He was behind a lot of things. Yeah, yeah, unfortunately, the guy makes hits. You know what I mean? I don't know what it is. He did make hits. There's, uh, you know, Michael Jackson made some good songs. He might have done some weird stuff. He might have, you know? Jeffrey Epstein was a great financier. He did some good business. Like, I've been reading the emails. No one ever saw her. that guy do business. That's the thing. Like, all the people who work for him, they're like, yeah, so you ever see him, like, do the job? They're like, no. Yeah. He just...

Turns out he was running the whole world. Every week there's a different email, and he's like, yeah, I'll be with Putin and Paris next week. And you're like, well, how do you have the time to be doing all the dittling? Like, but, like, I'm looking at his email schedule and I'm like, there's no... I don't know how he has the time. Like, this guy just was finding every way to do it.

It's kind of crazy. Most ADHD trafficker of all time. Right? Like, on the side, he's trafficking. And then he's also, like, Like, just texting Congresswoman, just like, hey, by the way, I just push this throat. Like, how do you have time to do everything? Did you see that video? Which one? The one of Platner.

Is that her name? Stacey Platner. This is the woman that he was texting during the hearing? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Where he's like, where he's like, are you chewing something? And she like looks up. No, I didn't see it. I didn't see it.

Oh, my God. Teef, you got to pull this up. I mean, in what world are our elected officials just on impractical jokers, with Jeffrey Epstein. Like, how is that? Like, Epstein's just in an earpiece, like, chew, chew louder, chew louder, chew louder, too louder.

And Epstein's in the back, like, oh, she's chewing so loud. Oh, dude, watch. By the way, I got to say shout out to the Washington Post, like, whoever was over there doing, like, the play-by-play video recording. Like, they're watching fucking NFL game tape,

but pausing it by text times. Chew it. So this is in 2019. It's a hearing with Michael Cohen, who was Trump's former fixer, before he was going to prison they're all pulling him up on Washington on the hill in Washington

questioning him about Trump and all this and while the questions are happening it's about to come to Platner who or Plaskett I'm sorry that's her name Stacey Plaskett who is she represents the not Barbados what does she represent the fuck

the most racist shit I ever heard yeah she's probably representing Atlanta or something by the looks of it anyway roll the tape all right What the hell, Julian? No, it's so racial. She represents like the Virgin Islands or something. That's it.

I was close. All right, all right. I'll give you a pass. She's representing the Virgin Islands where, you know, Epstein had a little island down there. So it makes sense. But she's from New York City. Okay. Which is interesting.

I don't really understand that right there. But while she's like about to go up, she's texting Jeffrey Epstein, hey, I'm coming up right now. I need disinformation. And then literally, it was like the assistant or something. and then literally her first question involves like the assistant that he texted the name. Let's play it. I'll get Stacey Plaskett while she was sitting in a congressional hearing with President Trump's former lawyer Michael Cohen in 2019.

Did they reach out to you to talk with you about these payments? No, ma'am. And documents recently released by the House Oversight Committee now show that Plaskett, a delegate of the Virgin Islands, and Epstein, a resident, a resident, resident of the Virgin Islands were coordinating in real time Plaskett's questioning of Trump's former fixer during the hearing. At 2.24 p.m. Epstein texts. Cohen brought up Rona, Keeper of the secrets. Plaskett responds, Rona, quick, I'm up next. Is that an acronym? Epstein replies, that's his assistant. About seven minutes later, Plaskett asked Cohen about

Trump's assistant. As Ms. Rona, what is Ms. Rona's Ms. Rona graph is the Mr. Trump's executive assistant. Would she be able to corroborate many of the statements that you've made? She was, her offices directly next to his, and she's involved in a lot that went on. Though her name was redacted in the document, the Washington Post first reported that the timestamps line up with Plaskett's questioning in the hearing. Plaskett, who was a non-voting delegate, faced a vote to censure her after the text came to light, but it ultimately failed. Plaskett has defended her text with Epstein, saying that she took text and called. for many of her constituents. I've been a prosecutor for many years.

I mean, that's like a good bullshit job, I will say. Like, not knowing if it's a name or an acronym, and then 30 seconds later being like, so, Rona, what does that mean to you? Like, it's kind of impressive. Like, you're kind of like, damn, you kind of nailed that. I wish you just went Ron Burgundy with it, though. I wish she was like,

so, Rona, smiley face. What do you, or Rona, not, why would I say smiley face? That makes no sense. I mean, that's insane. It's literally impractical jokers. It's hilarious to me. What's crazy, though, it would be one thing if this was like 02 and he's some billionaire donor and she legit knows him and doesn't know what's going on.

The guy was convicted in 08. This is 11 years later. Like, where you been, lady? There's been articles in every fucking magazine about him, even if people like ignored it in like the mainstream, like, let's prosecute it for a while again. But like, it just blows my mind. the more you look at this case and we've been looking at it obviously for years

I know you've looked at a bunch too the more it's like how is this not like a joke on everyone yeah dude it's do you know how pissed I am that all these years later my mom was right oh Bilderberg Gagnon all this shit dude like since I was a little

kid I've told you this before like my mom was a conspiracy theories for years like she still is you know adjacent to the community and like I was homeschooled by this woman until the fifth grade. Like, I was literally, I'm a classically trained conspiracy theorist. Like, I'm like, like, some kids have like, you know, like with Asian parents, or I guess Asian kids. I don't know. They, like, they'll be taught like violent and shit, you know? I was taught, like,

building seven. Like, that was like my childhood. And my mom for years was like, well, you know, Mark, obviously our government is controlled by an elite group of pedophiles. And like, I would argue with her. I was like, there's no way that these people are controlled by pedophiles. And And then this shit comes out. And I'm like, God damn it, my mom was right. I feel, I'm like, I got to call her and be like, I'm sorry. Where was she getting her info from back then? Like, asked Jeeves?

A deep, dude. She was on all the forums. She would go on arguments with people. She would argue with people on like early forums and then print them out and then show me the arguments. And she'd be like, yeah, I accidentally conceded this point early on. And then this guy actually pulled it up later. I lost this argument.

Oh, she was analyzing. Oh, yeah. She's a brilliant woman. And so she would, like, go, evidently, she's a brilliant. I don't even think she's a conspiracy of hers. She's fit. Stop it. Don't you do that.

Don't you dare. Why don't you do? This is a, this is a strange bit, okay, where Julian is alleging that he had some type of intimate relationship with my mother, which is not true. I can't confirm her than I. This is not true, but he has been checking his phone throughout this conversation. I'm afraid she's feeding him info, okay? I don't like it one bit.

She's fantastic. Text him plaskin. Trying to hit that, too. But, dude, she was on it for years. I don't even think she's a conspiracy. I think she's vindicated. I think she's just an intelligence asset at this point. Oh.

Like, she knows too much. She knows everything. You think she was, you were like getting monarched or something? Something like that. I don't know. Like, I might have been M.K. Ultrode without the drugs. So I'm going to get a teddy bear out and that's somewhere I touched them.

Dude, it's crazy. How old were you to, like, you were homeschooled till when? Fifth grade. I went to school like halfway through fifth grade. So I don't even know. What does that make me 10? Something like that. Okay.

Yeah, yeah. And so my mom would just give me book. and I would just read them, and then we would debate. And then she would show me, like, I swear to God, we should, like, we would, like, just go back and forth. Or she was, like, show me Lady Gaga videos and be like, look at the symbolism. Like, checkered floor.

This is classic Freemasonic symbolism. It was like, this is insane. But now she might be right on everything. I ought to go back through all of our files. She might be right on at least some of it, for sure. That's the thing, like, the people who were the classically trained conspiracy theorists, huge hair quotes right there, it's like, you can art.

argue with a fucking wall, a lot of the crazy shit that they were saying, let's say, in like, 06, 07, 2011, 2012, it did come true. Yeah. You know, now, does that mean that the frogs are gay? Not necessarily. Maybe they are. How do you even tell? How do you even test if a frog's gay?

Could be. Like, what does a gay frog even look like? Right? We got to ask these questions. Who's the scientists going out there to, like, testing the frogs? Like, this one seems kind of gay. I feel like that would be you. Ribbit, ribet.

I'm like, dude, this frog's for sure, gay, dude. Did I pull my dick out? He put his tongue on it. That's a gay frog, for sure. They need more of these gay tests. We've got to figure it out. I was telling you back in 2004, life is the biggest problem with the frogs, and they were very gay.

They're homosexual. That's why I like felching. How about that story? Wait, what? Oh, yeah. I haven't even really gotten up to speed with this, but turns out RFK's a... He's a freak. A little bit of a daddy, dude.

I'll be honest. I seen him doing push-ups without a shirt. I'm like, yeah, I get it. You know what I mean? I get it. The guy's a piece. You've seen him shirtless, right? Hey, listen, I'm not arguing that the dude's fucking in shape.

I mean, he looks good. Yeah. He's into some shit, bro. And so what? He cheated on his wife? Is this the story? Is the allegation? News alert, but, you know.

Oh, hell, yeah. That's not. He's a new word talking. One day, he's straight as an arrow. He goes, let's give him that criss. You got this freaking guinea on the Google machine? He goes right to Vito from the Sopranos insinuating horrible things about Robert Kennedy Jr. Dude, Deef can't help himself.

Just any time we reference something, hey, pull it up. It's just an Italian restaurant. You're like, dude, you can't just, not everything is the godfather. Yeah, you thought he was Jewish until 10 minutes ago. When you said he was Jewish. I did not say he was Jewish. Last time we were at the studio in Brooklyn, you guys were like, yeah, he's Jewish. No, we were joking that you should, he's like, where was your Jewish?

Jewish uncle, and then you pointed to him, so he played the bit. He's an actor. Well, there we go. I didn't realize this. I thought you were like half Jewish, half Italian. Deep Philippus? Deepstein, I don't know. He might be something. I don't know if it's short, okay? You guys sometimes change names. I have no idea. I don't know all the details. Did you know that there's an online cannabis company that ships federally legal THC right to your door, and that this company has found a way to combine THC with carefully selected functional ingredients to target nearly every mood and health concern you can think of? The company I'm talking about is mood.com

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fucking care. I think it's weird that this Nuzzi girl is writing a memoir about this. Like, she cheated on her fucking fiancee or whatever happened here. That's good dick right there. That's what it is. No, she apparently was getting it from fucking Sanford, too. Remember the dude that, like, cheated on his wife when he was governor with a lady and knocked her up in, like, Columbia or some shit? No.

Yeah. Can we pull that up thief? That was an old story. I mean, look at that. I don't think, I don't think there's nothing I could lay down that would be worthy of a memoir. Like, do you think your sexual exploits? be memoir worthy? No.

Maybe a page. You have to really do it. In today's culture, you better be like a dog. Right? Like a dog's dog. I don't think dog walking the dog of a dog. Exactly. Yeah. No, but that's what I'm saying. Like she's like, yeah, I fucked this ex-governor, broke up probably his fifth marriage. I fucked, you know, RFK, which apparently they're saying like that didn't happen, but he was like texting her about this. I had to Google what this was, Hank a lot. I didn't know what it was, but this thing called felching. And he's like a writer.

Don't lie. So I did not know what this was, Mark. Have you ever heard the term felching before? Of course. But you explain it. But your mom teach you that in fourth grade? Yes. It's part of my...

Hey, listen, she was down to... Whoa, come on. Don't do that. What the hell's wrong with this guy? This guy's an animal. Anyway. But so it's like... I can't even describe it on camera. You can Google it for yourselves.

But he would write it in like poetic form, allegedly. I'm not sure if I believe that. During a congressional hearing. He's like getting sworn and he's like, hold that question center. He was like, I'm good. What was it? She said, you are my canyon and I'm the river that's going to flow through you. Oh, that's hot.

That is hot. I'm like, that's kind of a bar. Yeah, it's like Napoleon writing his wife. You ever read those letters? No. Oh, they're dirty. Can we pull that up? He's like, baby, I'll be home in three days.

Don't shower. Oh, man, that gets me bricked. Oh, nothing better than that, dude. That is romance. You know what I mean? I feel like you would have known about it. This is the kind of letter Dief would be written. Well, the French, like, I mean, they don't shower.

Oh, my God. Because they're already throwing some odors, you know? Yeah. I throw a few of those. So I hear. As a Parisian, I was born in Paris. No, you were conceived in Paris. I was born there.

Wait, you were actually born there? And conceived. Conceived and born. Yeah, yeah. Lived there for like three years? I don't remember that. Yeah. All right. So, all right. So this is some Napoleonic letters. Can we zoom this a little? There we go.

Yeah, all right. April 1796. That was a hell of a year. Yeah. I have your letters of the 16th and 21st. There are many days when you don't write. What do you do then? No, my darling, I am not jealous, but sometimes worried. Come soon. This mufford is jealous, dude. Oh. I warn you. If you delay, you will find me ill. Fatigue in your absence are too much. Your letters of the joy of my days and my days of happiness are not many. Junot is bringing 22 flags to Paris. You must come back with him. You understand hopeless... Oh, this is like a menagerie Tuat kind of deal? Oh, dude, he's a dog.

Oh, he's like... Yes. But he wants a dude as de Trois. He wants everything. He's a conqueror, dude. He wants conquest. Yeah, but if you're a conqueror, you want two women as de Trois. You want anything.

You're French, dude. You don't understand. It's true. It's called Knifel Tower for a reason. Hopeless sorrow, inconsolable misery, sadness without end. If I am so unhappy as to see him. return alone. Adorable friend, he will see you, he will breathe in your temple. This is RFK. Perhaps you will even grant him the unique and perfect favor of kissing your cheek,

and I shall be alone and far, far away, cucking myself. Yes. But you, I did that last part edited by me. But you are coming, aren't you? Pause. You are going to be here because me in my arms, on my breast, on my mouth, take, wow, he really was like, this is, he was artistic with it. Right? A kiss on your heart and one much lower down, much lower. Let's go, go, go, co, co, I mean, fire, right? I mean, there's more passion in this than, like, anything I've read in the past 50 years. I know, like, where have, like, love letters going?

Exactly, right? Love, love letters. Exactly, they're in the text with old Bobby, you know? Yeah, well, now people just send, like, a fucking eggplant emoji or something, you know? I'm saying, where's the beauty in the words? Yeah, I guess. I mean, I would love to see all the texts.

I wonder if he was, like, sexting, like, using, like, his family, name you know what i mean like i'm gonna take you up to hyana's board like yeah baby give me jfk you ever gotten jfk before i've never gotten jfk you know what that is no it's when you get messy head in the back of a car that's road film no no no you're not here what i'm saying messy head in the back of a car messy head and jfk yeah why are you doing that why did you do that with your hands Come on. I feel like, I can't tell.

Oh, where? There we go. That took a minute. Your hand sent me somewhere else. That's one for the ride home. You know what I mean? That's one you're driving home. You're like, damn, that was pretty good.

This was throwing me off. I'm like, why are you doing this? Yeah, it's a punch line. And then Christos did the pop. And I went, oh, right, messy head in the back of a car. That's mean. Well, dude, I didn't say it. I didn't say it.

I mean, let's run the tape. I didn't say it. These were real texts, okay, that was sent during a congressional hearing. You want to get to JFK? Imagine if he's like, if RFK said it. I mean, bangor. Banger. It was his uncle.

I didn't even know him. It's fine. Banger, dude. I'm just saying, that's all I would sex. If I was a Kennedy, oh. I mean, I would be sex and nonstop. Come on. I've heard, uh, I've heard some interesting stories from up there at the, what's it called

the hyenas port? like compound or whatever really yeah well i've heard that uh it's not for public domain but i've heard some stories i heard j f k was down in cuba getting active back in the day you ever heard this he's getting active yeah he was he was down there back in kua in havana like batista days yeah like he was down there just like a like a what was senator congressman before he was president he was down there just yeah like at the casino's trying to get box and stuff yeah mean some ladies you see what happens and maybe got blackmailed oh you think he got blackmail this is the allegation, of course. Again, I don't have all the details here. But this is what people

have said. It's pretty interesting. Who's people? My mom. My mom. My mom is the one that told this. Damn it. Which it'll come to light in five to six years, okay? Just give us some time, okay? But it was said. It was said. What's the difference between a conspiracy theory and the truth? Time. Mrs. Gagnon plus six. That's it. Bro, I'm telling you. I don't know if it's always before, but like it was funny, because, like, my mom would still do, like, mom stuff, but also conspiracy stuff. Like, did I say this?

Like, she would do this, like, because she was the best mom, but also was on the conspiracy wave. And so she'd be like, you know, 9-11's not real, but Santa is. Like, as a child, like, you can imagine. That's like method acting right there.

You can imagine my surprise, you know what I mean? As an adult, I understand, they're both inside jobs. But, like, when I was a kid, I was like, yeah, you know, this is, this is the facts of the world you know what i mean building seven was destroyed and a controlled demolition but also you know the easter bunny exists yeah and both of these things can be true it is very very interesting that you are seeing more and more now though on a serious note like

of the 9-11s the 9-11 victims families openly coming out and discussing how like yeah the truth of that day has been completely concealed yeah well i think Tucker just dropped a whole thing on it I didn't watch it, but he's like, he's going hard in the pain on that. So I'm like, all right, well. I watched, like, three or four parts of it, I think, so far. And I mean, it's hard to argue with some of it. And he's got people who were, like, there, like people in the FBI and stuff that are saying, this has never sat right with me.

And I know I've talked, like some of my guys I've talked to before who were there back in the day, they've all said the same thing. Yeah. I don't know. At a certain point, you get so close to the truth, and you're like, we need to go back. We need more lies. We need America to believe in the lies.

You know what I mean? I'm flipping all the way back. Being raised by conspirators of theirs. I'm going back statecraft. I'm like, yeah, we need everyone to be like, dude, this was an attack by the Iraqis. And that's why we went there. That's what happened.

Get on board. That's how racist America is. We got attacked by like a bunch of like, you know, radicals, many of which were from Saudi Arabia. And then we're like, dude, we're going to go to Iraq. And everyone was like, yeah, yeah. We're going. They look similar.

That's like how dumb we are That we're like, yeah, that's where we got to go Those people did it, right? And America's like, yeah, yeah, those people for sure, 100%. How could you ever not trust that face? Dude, RIPD. How could you not trust that face? Pour one out for the homie, dude.

All right be in piss. This was probably the... I think Tim Dillon wrote the greatest obituary of all times. When I look for an obituary, I like brevity. Like, I like people that can summarize someone's life in a sentence. I need gladiator. Thumbs up or thumbs down.

That's what I'm saying. Exactly. What is it? And it's shaken. What is it? It's going to go. You got one second to make it go. What was the one in Mad Men where the fucking old dude who co-owned the company comes up

and the old secretary had died and they're like trying to come up with an obituary? Yes, I've seen it. Someone else is playing it. And he's like, she was born in a barn and died in the 33rd story of a skyscraper. She was an astronaut. And I was just like, ball. That's it. But, and he just walks out, and everyone's like, oh, we'll go with that.

But Tim Dillon writes about Dick Cheney, who was his father, little known facts. Rest easy, Daddy. Fly as high as Flight 93, which you shot down. What are you going to say? We wish him well. We wish him well. That's all he can really say. We wish him well.

I cannot say I cried when he was gone. Yeah, I don't, yeah, I'm good. The world felt a little calmer. Yeah. There was like a little reverberation. I don't know if you believe in vibes, but... As a Christian, all death is sad and all people are worthy of human life, okay?

All of them? Every single one? I mean, I'm not going to go to the funeral, but... Did they have the funeral yet? They did. They did. Who pulled up? I bet you there's some people that are like,

oh, do I have to go to this? Oh, definitely the whole fucking... Everyone from the government was probably thinking that outside of the people that were in on it with them. Yeah, I guess, right? These political funerals are fascinating. You ever see the letters? that get passed out at H. Bush's funeral?

The letters? Have you never seen this? Oh, when they're, oh, yeah. This is just great conspiracy lore. This is just awesome. Just like, they're passing out letters to everyone. Jeb is looking out. It's probably like a dick on each of them.

They're like, watch all these people talk about us. I'll show you a skull and bone. Yeah, exactly, right? I hope Epstein was the one that sent them. Just like, do you just show this to Jeb at the funeral. It's going to blow his mind. That's the worst part about these emails. He's unintentionally funny.

and I hate myself for it. Wait, which ones? Like, the fucking emails he writes are so funny because they're like, he's dealing with like global issues and talking about it like a child and typos and like old school smiley faces.

Yeah, and like no grammar, no punctuation. The spacing looks like Dave Portnoisse. And the fucking, and like his email is like J-E vacation at Gmail.com. Like, what the fuck is that? These are the people

that are controlling the world. Isn't that great? Just no grammar, no punctuation. It's kind of insane. It's nice to know he wrote them. He didn't have like an early release to like GPT or something. Like he was going like actual thumbs.

Just like, I don't even think he was dumb. So I think he was hunting and pecking them. He thinks so. Like we'll be in island in 10. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, it's kind of scary. And my mom was telling me,

she was telling me about Epstein years ago. She was like, look at when. I mean, it was like after like the Miami Herald article came out. She's like Julie Brown's thing. Yeah, yeah. This was like 20. 2016.

2011 or... No, this was like... Or 2017. It was like 2015, 26. She was like, you should look into this guy. It's like, all right. All right.

She's gonna be on a watch list now. I'm telling you, she's all over it. I don't even know if I want to like... I just imagine Mark like play at Xbox or something. She comes down with like a file. She's like, listen, I got, I got something for you to do.

I just want you to look at it. Yes, dude. It's crazy. You can be both things. A great mom and also based Where the fuck is my meatloat? I don't know, dude. It's kind of wild.

I don't know if I'm going to do Santa with my kids for this reason. It, like, freaks me out. I mean, you already look like Santa. Sort of. I'm like a young Santa. Yeah, you throw a little white's in there. You'll be all right. But part of me is just like, yeah, you're lying to your kids.

You know what I mean? I'm going to keep my kids just locked in on the truth nonstop. That's my goal. Santa's a conspiracy. Grow the fuck up. Yes, exactly. Daddy, I'm three. Yeah, exactly.

Well, it is the biggest conspiracy. I'm convinced that people become conspiracies through Santa. This is my working theory. Have you written a paper on this? I'm going to. I want to do a whole dissertation, maybe a dossier handed out to people in Congress. Because it's like... That's a strong word, does you. Thank you. I knew a girl with the last name. That's not a compliment.

But it was like, the Santa thing is crazy because it's like, you grow up your whole life and people are like, yeah, yeah, Santa's real. And then you go to the grocery store and you're like, there's no way everyone can be in on this. And then some old lady will be like, be good or Santa won't get you any presents. And so everyone's in on it. Everyone's concealing the truth from an entire population of people and then you reach an age where you're like, I don't think Santa's real. And then everyone's like, yeah, you dumbass. Why would you ever believe in Santa? You're 17 years old. And I'm like, I don't know, because everyone I trusted in my life told me this is a real

thing. And now I look like at the doofist at school being like, guys, I got to be good. It's crazy. Right? It's about the magic of Christmas, Mark. That's all it's supposed to be. I guess. But then you got, yeah, right? You get Jewish guys like Deef getting presents also. I'm like, why is he getting presents. Santa's going to his house. Santa doesn't care about Israel Palestine. Where is he on the issues? Where is he on the issues? Are Russian kids still getting

presence? There's a lot of Christians in Gaza. Who's saying? Are they getting... Or is everyone getting presence? This is what I don't understand. Is Santa going over to Putin's house? Being like, all right, here you go. No, no, he's getting cold. Well, any politician's getting cold. He's probably happy with that. Honestly, he's

like, we need the resources. He's fucking, he's probably turned on by that. We need the resources. You stick that coal on my fucking nipples. They destroyed the Nord pipeline or whatever. Like, we need energy somehow, okay? We'll take all the coal you can get. Maybe that's why they're doing it. They're trying to make their country as

evil as possible so they can get as much natural fucking fuel as they can. Statewide naughty list. It's a requirement. Yeah, it's kind of smart, right? Dude, we're solving the energy crisis one terrible child at a time. It's kind of genius, dude. How have you not done a podcast with your mom yet?

I need to. I'd ask her about it once and she was like yeah maybe maybe I'll you know but then I think she kind of got scared I'll talk to her I'm gonna see her on here in two weeks whoa whoa the hell I got the exclusive what the fuck who's her agent

what the hell happened I don't think your mom would have an agent I feel like she'd be like no no they did building seven she wouldn't she wouldn't trust anyone dude for sure oh man I just want to get her thoughts on the issues of the day like where is she on everything

Well, every time we do a pause, she messes me, she's like, how is it over on? I'm like, he was a nice guy. I really liked him. He's really sweet. Oh, she was probably so upset about that. Oh, she's upset about all of it. Like, not literally, but she's just like, oh, it's just okay. She's like, how was Trump?

Who was he with? I'm like, dude, I don't. It's, I, what? There was a lizard out. Yeah, like, what do you? The problem is that, like. So on iguana in New York subway. Yeah, I'm like, everything is too normal.

Like, she's asking me what's going on. Like, it's all very normal. If anything, I'm the weird one. like even during the Trump pod I was sitting there and I was like what if I go crazy right now that was my actual thought what did you have like

serious intrusive thoughts oh one million percent yes I could I could take it all down right now literally I'm if you watch the tape if you watch me I'm sitting there quietly the whole time and in my brain I'm like what if I just punched him in the head

like what if I just kissed him what if I made out with Trump right now how many tongue punches could I get before Secret Service steps in and I'm literally going through it I'm like I bet you I'd get three or four And then he looks at me, he's like, I like, I like, yeah, you too. I don't, what was, yeah, what was I thinking of?

Like, it's natural, bitch. You want to pull on it? Or what did I say? I'm like, literally thinking this as we're sitting there. I'm like, dude, I could make out with this guy and no one could stop. It's like, it's like, it scares you, you know what I mean? Like, the intrusive thoughts get in there and they're like stuck. And then he's talking about getting assassinated, and he's like, yeah, they tried to kill me.

And I'm like, it's just like a few weeks later, too. Literally, he's like, you're like trying to touch the ear. You're like, you're like, next to the ear. literally i'm looking at him like maybe didn't alex think it like wasn't real yeah i was like your ear looks great was he like really shit's real he was inspecting he was inspecting but like dude it was uh it was a trip and then zoran was so nice he was just like it's so charming like professional it just listen the guy the politics aside the guy on the campaign trail was unreal star he's a political star yeah i mean you couldn't trust him as far as you can

fucking throw him, but he's a political star. And then him and T-Dogger, just chilling the Oval Office, just chopper it up, just homies. And I just love seeing former podcast guests just enjoying each other. You know what I mean? Like, I just love... Like Flagrant alumni. I just love seeing the alumni get together for a meeting, you know? It's just nice to see them all just, you know, happy.

It just makes my heart warm. Probably one of the funniest clips I've ever seen is Trump sitting at the desk with Zoron, like, right there. And they're like, uh, Zoron, you've called Donald Trump a fascist. after meeting with him, would you... And he's just like, no, you don't have to answer that.

You know, it dances, yes, go ahead. He's like... It's just easier. Yes. It's just easier. It's so pro. The two of them kind of being like, yeah, we get it, you know?

But, like, I had so many people even after the Zorn episode hit me up being like, dude, don't vote for this guy. He's bad news. He's bad. And I was like, why? And they're like, he's going to... And I'm sure, there's plenty of reasons

to vote or not to vote for someone, but the reasons they were giving me were just awful. They were like, they were like, dude, he's going to turn. New York City into a Muslim country. Yeah, I never bought that. New York City is going to be under Sharia law.

Yeah. And I was like, I don't think. But after looking into Sharia law, we could use a little. A little. Like, I think like a little. I think the first person to disagree would be his wife. Yeah, well. She don't look too Sharia to me. I don't know, man. I think everyone would, I think the city would be a little better with a tiny bit of Sharia law. Like how

much? Like 1%? 50%. A lot of our problems. What does ever? Cover him all the way up to the tits. Yeah. Cover them up or whatever. Like, So you'll leave the head out. Yeah, exactly. The face out, dude. What about the driving? Well, that's...

No female drivers? One of the major benefits, right? What does everyone say? Like, oh, congestion's so bad. Well, you can't drive now. So that's half the problem, right? Like, that's going to clear 50% of it. You know, enjoy the L train, ladies.

Like, this is for the city. Oh, but guys are jerking off on the subway. Well, yeah, if you're covered up, that'll block it a little. That's like a poncho at SeaWorld, right? Like, that'll stop some of the spray. I'm just saying it'll the city might be better for it okay oh there's no vacancy

the rent is so high it for real right well every man has four wives now that's going to consolidate a lot of the apartments okay we're going to have a lot of places to live look into it I'm for it bro I might take shahada right now

I might become Muslim yeah I feel like some of the arguments people would make were dumb I wouldn't argue though with the socioeconomic plans and stuff like I believe people when they tell you what they're going to do. The thing about him that you have to look at objectively, though,

is two things. One, look who the fuck he was running against. Like, you're going to get people excited for Andrew fucking Cuomo? Are you out of your mind? Defe was fired up, dude. His Italian roots were coming out. He was like, hey, this is a good guy.

We kiss. We hug. They got a bridge named after him. It can't be that bad. Come on. Come on. It's not sexual assault. Remember who was the one girl,

the Emily Austin girl? started like the I'm starting the hot girls for Cuomo and then she didn't buy the domain and the domain went straight to his like sexual assault investigation 5D 5D Chess fire also wasn't that Cuomo's defense is that they were like he was like Italian we kiss on the cheek and we touch the hips fire right he said that sexual I will say this I bought some of it I did well you know too many Italians like yeah I can see it I get it like I I didn't feel like fucking, you know, Stevie de Mooch was ever fucking sexually assaulting women

when they came over for dinner. Yeah. And then all my Italian friends are like, dude, look, look, he did some good stuff. You know, he did some, look at what he did. He banned assault weapons, right? That's good. And I was like, well, he didn't ban his hands.

So, you know, those were, those are two weapons right there. I don't think I got banned. So we can look into that. You know what I mean? Those are the AR-15s, you know what I mean? 15 years old, I think, allegedly, okay? These are jokes. This is not real.

This is alleged. Oh, my God. I hope he gets sued for this episode. Allegedly, allegedly. Allegedly. So, yeah, he had him, and then he had Slee-Waw, legend. All-time legend. I actually ride with Sle-Wa-D dude.

I like him. I don't want Sle-Wa to be mayor. I just want him to be, like, the president of New York. Like, I just want him to, like, just do, like, press releases and just go out there and just be like yeah the Gambino family we got to root them out

because that is New York like you need that kind of energy in some type of public capacity I did need that podcast from you guys that was my one disappointment like after Zoran you needed to have Slewa you had Cuomo on too right no not Cuomo

you didn't do Cuomo not Cuomo yeah yeah that's good but you needed to have fucking Slewa yeah dude it'd be awesome Slewa would be fun he can still pull up yeah dude one million percent

One million percent. He did, I don't know if we can find this on Twitter, Dief, Sliwa on why he won't drop out. You know, obviously he's getting a lot of shit for it because like Zoran won and they're like, well, you split the vote. But even that would have made a difference. Yeah, I think I think Zoran still would have won. I mean, by the votes technically, even if you added up Cuomo and Sliwa, Zeran still wins. Oh, it ended up being that far? Yeah.

I didn't know that. He gave an answer. No, it wasn't there. If you go to Twitter, Dief, maybe you can find it. it was on some podcast that I actually hadn't seen before no disrespect but you know he's given an answer but they're like well why won't you drop out and he's like you know what fuck you I got people running on my ticket and he and he went on this like where he did not stutter for two two and a half minutes and at the end of the answer I was like wow pretty hard to argue

with all that one of the many things he said was that I have all these judges these local assemblymen, all these people, some of whom actually could win, and we'd have to check, but maybe some of them actually did, who have been running on my ticket for the past year plus. And if I drop out, they're now going to lose the ones that actually can win in some of these different districts. So he's like, what message does that send? So honorable? Yeah. So there was a part of that where I'm like, okay. And also, again, it felt like it was insurmountable. It felt like Zoron was, you know, you can say what you want about the guy politically, for sure.

The way he ran the campaign and the way he went and spoke to people where they were and didn't, you know, for example, judge people who decided to vote for Trump in the last election and instead just asked them why they did it and, you know, tried to say, well, here's how I can help. It was, it was brilliant, man. And actually had ideas. Yes. You know what I mean? And New York is expensive. And it's becoming increasingly so. And I can understand why people associate with that feeling, especially like artists and shit.

Like, New York cannot become just, like, a tech hub, you know? Like, I just don't want to see New York as like, oh, it's only a bunch of rich people. And then everyone has to, like, come in from outer boroughs just, you know what I mean? Like, I think the essence of New York is you got rich dudes that pay for shit. And then you got poor artists that make cool shit to buy. You know what I mean? And then you have the working class in between, too. Yeah, you need both.

You need all of it. Exactly. That's what makes New York have a heartbeat, in my opinion. What are we going to become fucking San Jose or some shit? Yeah, exactly. It's become, like, some tech city with all these dudes and vests. Like, I don't want that. I agree.

So it's like, you need the mix. And Zoron's over here being like, not only am I going to lower your rent, because you've got to think these guys are on a limited timeline, right? They're like, okay, I have five grand left to my name. And this guy is saying he's going to lower my rent. He's going to freeze it. He's giving me time on my dream. You know what I mean?

Yeah. And so it's like, I'm going to leave the city anyway. I can't afford to live here. So this guy is offering me a chance to live here. So I might as well roll the dice. Like, that's basically what I think a lot of people's calculation was. I'm going to leave anyway. I can't afford it. So maybe this guy can lower it and give me another two years of life on my dream. That's powerful. That's powerful.

Who just won't listen to a word you just said because they're so strongly like against him as a person. Sure. But the logic of what you just said, forget how he wants to do that. And the policies, we can argue that all day for sure. And I don't think a lot of them work. But that idea if you can't see how a normal person who's not fucking looking through Twitter all day at politics, which is most people, by the way, believe it or not, would not see that and go, yeah, it sounds all right to me.

It doesn't make them dumb. It doesn't make, it's not how it is. People are going to vote based on the thing that, you know, most speaks to the basic thing in their life that they're like, yeah, I could use some help on that. Yeah, literally. And they're not voting for someone.

They're just voting for their own dream. Yeah. Like, I want to be an artist in the city. I want to be a fashion designer. I want to do whatever. I want to be a comic, and this guy's giving me a chance to do it. I'm like, that's powerful. And I think that's, he was the only person speaking to that.

Yeah. Cuomo was like, let's keep it the same in Sleevee. I was like, we got to get the mob out of the city. And everyone's like, well, that's not really affecting me as much. But, you know, everyone's got a good point here. Yeah, everyone's got to. You just don't see them. Everyone's got a point here, you know?

Maybe we join the Guardian Angels. Maybe that's our contribution. That's what I'm saying. I feel like it would be, that's a good, like, I should have a lessee make a documentary on that. I joined the Guardian Angels for a week for something, where they're beret, do like the whole thing, live stream it. Yeah. It'd be kind of nice. Yeah. You kill all the rats down the sewers.

You see how they hunt rats not in the year? No. They bring out dogs. Really? Yeah. This was like six, seven years old. There's a vice document. Wasn't that sleep was idea? He was like, more cats. We're going to release thousands of cats in the city or something like that. I wouldn't argue that. But that shit, lokey works. There's a couple like islands, I think, in Europe that have like these massive, like, feral cat populations. They have no rats. They see that's pretty cool I will say though

watching like this vice video people can pull it up we can't play because it's copyrighted but watching these fucking pit bulls just take a fucking two foot rat and just treat it like a little rag doll you're like hey I'd fucking run for the hills

I'd swim in the Hudson to Hoboken it's not a dory pot until he starts foaming at the mouth that's when I know we're really in a groove once you start going that's my favorite I was watching back the footage from our pod that we did on the CIA shit I was dying laughing because you were like, yeah, dude, they got me in the waterboard.

That's what it's like. You're on their mouth. You're like, and then the pit bull, brr. Well, no, the pit bull is more like, you know, like mouth open. My apologies, I missed it. You got to get it right. But yeah, dude, I'm kind of down with the cats. I think we just got to release just a legion of cats.

Did they have cats in Florida? You got a handful. They got a handful. They got a handful. They got a have rats in Florida? I've never seen a rat Wow I'll tell you that much

It's a little hot for them Yeah yeah we got some gators though We got some good old gators too Oh those motherfuckers can swim That's the thing that creeps me out When you see like a rat like fucking Looking it in the Hudson They can move too

Oh yeah Yeah no they're moving That's not normal Yeah no we just had gators There were so many gators in Florida They were just like crawling to like little We had a dude in our neighbor Mark Nelson and he would go down there

And hunt the gators And it was crazy because like I was a shotgun No he would just wrestle him And then tie him up And then send him to animal control that's a that's some real florida shit right some real florida man's shit the craziest thing in my brain is like i was a young kid whenever they would call up you know the nelson family to go get the gators and i was like oh this guy is like a trained professional i grew up i found out mark nelson was

14 like i was just eight and i was like wait this was just another kid that was wrestling gators and they would go down there and patch them up you ever seen the video of the old dude with like the beer belly with a cigarette hanging out of his mouth up to like his fucking hips in the water and he's got an alligator in his hand ripping it open and there's a little dog barking in its mouth and then he opens it up far enough and the dog like and like runs onto the land and he just throws the gator back that's life built different that's life in florida dude there's there's one lake in my town called lake jessup where they dump all the gators that they find and now that's just a feeding frenzy it's like the most gator infested lake in the united

states i'm pretty sure is this one lake there's like a couple hundred thousand gators in there Aren't you close to Disney World, aren't you from? Not far. Not far. Some of those gators there fucking eat the people to go there. Yeah, yeah. Well, allegedly. Allegedly, they pulled the body.

They pulled like a three-year-old out of a gator. It happened once. They got some money back. They tried to get them on the Disney Plus thing, but it doesn't matter, okay? I don't know if you remember this. They were like, well, technically because you signed up for Disney Plus, you waived your rights to be eaten by a gator. And everyone was like, well, that seems crazy. Did you hear about this?

This is an actual thing. On the Disney Plus thing, it's like, I waive all rights to personal injury or whatever. And, like, the lawyers try to go through it and be like, well, technically they did this. And they tried to, like, withhold money from the van. They got it back, don't worry. But it's kind of crazy. It's how it goes, dude. The mouse.

That's what they call them. That's why we have New York. You get a good New York lawyer on your side to read that contract and make your own sign it. Exactly, dude. They'll freak the fuck out. Yes, dude. You're like, look at line 7-4, AB4. Eaton by Gators.

Wow. Why is that even on Disney Plus? Why is that on my iPhone except the term? except the terms of iOS fucking 17. Bro, Disney Plus is alerts. I would do this bit lately, but I'm trying to find the beats of it. But I was watching Disney Plus with my little baby

trying to show them like all the cool shit. And I can't believe you show Disney to your baby. I thought. The old stuff. The old, the OG, you know what? When they had the good old Illuminati stuff in there. Wait what? Don't look that out.

Oh, not that. Not that one. Not that one. I misspoke. I mean Lion King. What did I say? but like if you watch a Disney Plus show now like before you watch the old movies they have a disclaimer

have you seen this see if you can pull it up because like it's hilarious they have a Disney Plus disclaimer before like some of the movies where it's basically like hey back in the day when we made this movie uh racism was fine they literally were just like sorry about this there's some bad stuff in here and we apologize for the sensitive themes and they literally have a warning before it this program includes negative to

and mistreatment of people or cultures, these stereotypes, I should, no, I should read this in character. Hold on. These stereotypes were wrong then and they are wrong now. Rather than remove this content, we want to acknowledge its harmful impact, learn from it, and spark conversation to create a more inclusive future together. Now, Disney is committed to, let me finish Mark. Yeah, we need the whole content.

Disney is committed to creating stories with inspirational and aspirational themes that reflect the rich diversity of. the human experience around the globe to learn more about how stories have impacted society, visit www.epstein didn't kill himself.com. Now, do you know what the problem with this is?

Is that it doesn't tell you what the racist part was? So you've got to figure it out. Like, what's fucking wears Waldo? For real, dude, it is just a racist scavenger hunt, so I'm watching it the whole time. I'm like, Leo, like, oh, oh, here's him. And then my wife's like, that's not the

bad part. I was like, well, I thought it was bad. Now, I feel more racist watching the fucking show, I'm like, no, that was actually really, I'm like Snow White and the Seven Dwarves. What's that about? Oh, oh, hard work and short. People sounds like Mexicans. I'm trying to figure out where the racist shit is and the whole time I'm being more racist. I feel awful the entire time. It's bad. Genuinely bad. I'm like, oh, Pinocchio, that's anti-Semitic, right? We can all agree on that. What's the moral of that movie? Oh, liars have big noses. This is racism at its core. We need to stop this stuff

and being broadcast to our children, all right? I won't stand for it. For real. Oh, my God. It's an issue, right? I'm surprised that's still a thing in 2025.

They've been pulling back on shit like that. They still run on the bad ones, on the real, on the real battles. On the real bad ones. The jungle book of it. Uh-oh. I actually knew that reference, too. I'm glad someone did.

Oh, Deep got it, too. I'm gonna have to hit you with the hands again, dude. Yeah, the hands threw me off. The punchline hand. I can't do that again. The punchline hands, I was like, wait, so it's coming. And then he goes like that. If you're everyone sure, if the fingers come together, you laugh.

All right, that's just bang. Yeah, but that's the opposite of what happened. His head went like that. That's why I took Papp's going like this. I was like, oh, road dome in the back head, right? Yeah. Okay, I can do that. But doing this, it made it look like he was coming back together.

Fuck. I can see the confusion now. It makes a lot of sense. Yeah, it's like the other is a brooder film. He lives. Do you think Epstein lived? I really doubt it. I really doubt it.

I really doubt it. I think, yeah, I really doubt it. I don't know if even, I don't know if Galane even lived. Oh, you think that's an actress? I don't know, dude. I'm pretty, I'm pretty based. It might just be an actress the whole time.

You or your mom? Both, Bofa. Bofa. Does your mom think, that's what I should ask. Does your mom think Galane died? No, no, no, no. No, no, I think my mom's like, no, Galane's in there, and she's having a great time.

She's hanging with the Theranos chick. have you seen this she's in the same prison the two of them are just hanging out playing padded cakes hops got to be fucking having the best time she's a tweeter now who Elizabeth Holmes

oh she's tweeting like life advice like Gagins really yeah like yeah can we pull up Elizabeth Holmes I would listen to that I would listen to that podcast while I run yeah so I'm here in prison I'm improving my whole life I heard she don't talk like that no more though

no she doesn't she was just doing a Steve Jobs yeah it's a bit like she was doing like an impression listen I have to give her credit Like, she's stuck to the bit. Oh, super committed. Like, she was really committed. Yeah. She's private.

Damn. No, nooked her. Damn. Throw her a follow. Throw her in a follow, deep. Dude, I love the location. Tell her we're looking for guests. How good is the location, dude?

But you got to come to this studio. Hold on. Go pop back. It literally is like, Brian Federal Prison Camp. You're like, all right. Oh, wait, it actually says that. Yeah, that's hilarious. Where's the account base?

Oh, dude. There's no basis of the account. Have you been seeing that, obviously, all these Twitter accounts that are now based around the world? Yeah, you've got to click all of them, though, because they're Photoshop and everything. Yeah, that's true, that's true.

And then you click it and you're like, oh, shit. But there are some of them. Like, to me, I never even considered that. There are people around the globe that are like arbitrage in the U.S. dollar, outraging the American public and then getting paid off of it and living like kings and, like, you know.

You never thought of this, though, no. I didn't realize that this was their whole game. I was like, how many of these, there's probably a couple of counts, you know what I mean? But, like, how many guys are in Calcutta that know American politics well enough that can outrage, like, liberals and Republicans that well? I mean, there's fucking two billion people over there.

You can find 100. I guess. I just didn't, I'm like, is this organized? Is it, like, a group of people all working together? Is it one kingpin that has this throng of, like, like, a harem of, like, these Indian dudes writing this shit? I don't know. Well, it's not Tyler Oliver. I'll tell you that. Who's that guy?

Run in that form. Who's that, dude? Oh, you don't know, Tyler? I just had it. I just recorded with him. He's a big YouTuber. He's been around for years. You've seen him.

But he does documentaries around the world, and he's at war with the nation of India right now. Wait, why? Yeah, he's at war. So, oh, is this the dumb guy? Yes. Oh. Yes, he was just, he was letting it dung out. Really?

Oh, yeah. Letting the shit fly. Yeah, yeah, just exactly. I kept, you know, trying to help out India a little bit. I'm like, well, no, you're actually wrong. I'm like, they don't always like, no, all of them. Okay, well, the truth might be in the middle somewhere. That's what I said.

I'm like, I'm like looking at deep. Like, all right, let's see. But I get it. They docks his family. There were death threats. Or for him, like, if you watch the documentary that he did, which for context for people who obviously haven't seen that, there is a festival that happens in a remote part of India. I don't remember the name of the province.

don't get me to try to pronounce it but you know like a thousand people live there and they believe that i'm dead serious they believe that like their god emanated from cow shit true story and so six months out of the year they collect cow shit in their backyard and then they all take the cow shit into town and all the men not the women the women are not allowed to be a part of this but the men swim through it and throw it at each other and shit and sometimes probably take some shrapnel and eat it to celebrate, you know, like their Christmas or whatever. Nothing wrong with it. Nothing wrong.

All Tyler did was report the facts and make it clear it was in this province. And he went in there with a hazmat suit, which felt like a waste because he left the whole face open and the feet open. I'm like, so you're fucking, your legs didn't get it, but your mouth did. You're giving them a target. Yeah. Because if you see someone fully covered up, then you're like, well, we got to hit that part. That's what I'm saying. And so he came out of this scaith and went to do this documentary.

And I mean, you want to talk about Indian spam calls on your phone? Crazy. He was getting one every like three seconds. But you saw it? Yeah. Really? He had to like shut down his phone, I think. I don't know.

Ask him. But like, then they outed his family's like information and stuff. So he got pissed. Damn. I mean, I get it. Like, you know, he's pissed. Yeah, he's pissed. They're shitty.

Yeah, it's a whole, it's a whole fucking debacle. Dude, I get it. But look, I mean, on the one hand, you know, cultures are different. People like to... That's right. People like to express their religion in any way that they'd like, you know? As long as you're not hurting other people, I got nothing wrong with that. I'm with you.

On the other hand... It's kind of gross. It's not for me. I would not make a documentary on that. That's just me, you know? But, I mean, did he malign them? Did he show it in, like, an improper way? Not in the documentary.

I didn't see the documentary. There was some parts where you're going to make a joke, of course. Like, he's a human. So it's fine. But he did it. Like, even when he was standing next to a guy in his backyard while the guy ate the cow shit, like, he kept his straight face. And he was trying to explain it and just be like, look, I think this is kind of gross,

but this is what they do. Look, we eat dead animals, you know? How different are we really? At the end of the day, you eat a dead cow. They're eating the shit. Yeah, but it's sanitized. It's cooked on a fucking grill, you know. Is that how that?

Is that how they did the cow shit? No, they don't cook it. They just take the shit and they... It's like saviche. They pack it in. That's fine. They pack it in. I eat pokey.

I eat raw fish all the time. Pokey. The fuck is poke. You've never heard of Pokey? No. What part of Jersey are we in, dude? What the hell? Don't look at me like that, thief.

He's not good with Asian food. That's great. He's not good. He's not good of Asian food. We'll get better at that, don't worry. Can you pull up an image of Pokey? Mark, I once went to a Chinese restaurant and asked where the spicy tuna rolls were.

All right, that's what you're dealing with. Different Asians, but I can see where your heads at. I can see that there's effort there a little, you know what I mean? I was really upset. I was like, I was just looking forward to this all day. A pokey bowl is quite literally just a bowl. Oh, is this like an Akai bowl? Who's Akai?

Asai. Come on, bro. Asa'i. Bro, I mean, it's really remarkable because sometimes you come on this program and you just say the craziest shit I've ever heard of my life. A Kaival? How do you know every episode of every podcast you've ever done with every guest and every word they've ever said? Let me ask you a question.

And no one ever brought a poke or assayee. There's a store over there when you are reading that sign in American and it says A-C-A-I. What does that look like to you? As-A-E. It's literally A-S-E. Where are you getting the S from? Where are you getting the E from? It's a soft C. It's a Kai. A-I.

What? How did you even know what he was saying? How do you speak Doris, bro? That's wild. That's something he would say. Like, even when he was reading the Napoleon letter before, he said, Janat. And I'm like, it's Janot. He just doesn't understand how, you know, these are...

He's Ron Burgundy. He's Ron Burgundy. Is that an acronym? Is that a name? Put him up in front of Congress immediately, dude. So the name Akai, what does that mean to you? Asai. He's like, whatever, yeah.

Epstein didn't just text it's to me. It's fine. That's right. Whatever you want to know. I mean, dude. Well, this is going to be... What's this Pokemon bowl? No, I don't know.

Fuck this. We're just going to do different Asian words that Julian has to try to pronounce. This is going to be awesome. I can't wait. All right, hit me. Let's do what we can do. All right, let's get a little quiz.

Let's get some very common Asian words that people know, Japanese, Korean, Chinese. Wontan soup. I can do that one. Wanton, that's pretty good. Right. Yeah, that's a good pronunciation. I like that.

What else you got? Oh, man. See, I can't say it because then it's going to give it away. Misho soup. That's me so. I got that one good. That's good. Misho.

Oh, that's very nice. Very phonetic. I like that. What's the one? Sweet and sour chicken. Yeah, we know that. What about the general? You know the general?

Like General Zos? General Sos. PZO. To Zoh. I always thought it was son to zoo. Okay. I believe Sopranos on that one. Yeah, the art of war.

He's like, son to zoo. Read a book. Yeah, son to zoo. What Asian food is this? There we go. Go time. Okay. All right.

Oh, this is kind of cute? This isn't copyrighted, is it? I guess we're gonna find out. All by the domain. All right, which Japanese food is this? Oh, there's a countdown. I just see a fucking, it's a Rubik's cube. Oh, it fills it in block by block.

Let's go, dude. So I gotta wait for it to fill in before I can guess. No, it's just pixelated like their penises and porn. That's all it is. Oh, it's anime for food. All right. It's looking like tuna. Well, nope, but...

Caprizy? What the fucking woppy fucking answer is that? Wait, that's a spicy tuna roll. All right, let's answer. Looks like salmon to me, but... Sushi. I know that. Ramen noodles isn't Asian.

What are you... You Italians try to claim everything. Hey, you know, they got it from Marco Polo. He went over there. He brought spaghetti. He brought sauce. All right, which type... Can we flake fast?

forward the pixelation this is like a lot patience is a virtue okay just resume all right it's pixelating people i feel like i need jeopardy music here yeah this is like just show me the picture and then ask me a b c or d i can't see it it looks like pizza so far it's some kind of soup yeah all right shrimp jerk chicken shrimp Oh, is this fun? Wait, they're leaving four pixels out there. I don't like that. All right, I'm going to guess that's Tom Yum Kung.

Tom Yum, very good. Tom Yom. Dude, yeah. Tom Yum. I take back everything I said. I'm sorry. I apologize. I know my shit.

I didn't know you were so cultured when it comes to cuisine. Which Korean food is this? I can't even point to Korea on our map. Kimchi. All right. Let me go with kimchi. The final answer. Wait, kimchi's Korean?

Yeah. Yeah, pickled cabbage. They buried underground. Why do I give the credit to the Chinese on everything? Because you're racist. You know, like, they have a bigger possible. Yeah, Toyota's made by China or whatever, you know, those guys over there. All right, let's see.

That is looking like slop right now. Okay, see, you can't say that. That's racist. Is that a croissant? No, that's kimchi. All right, I'm going to, all right, it's kimchi. Yeah, so we're just going to move off this before. Tech Bacchi, that's fine.

fucking Greek. This guy from street fighting? What the hell I played as that guy? I remember him. Yeah, don't take me to an Asian restaurant. I mean, all time, dude. I went to a Chinese restaurant, and they gave me a paper straw.

And I was like, what? Not even plastic. Not plastic. And they're like, no, of course. We got to take care of the animals. Paper straw, doesn't it just disintegrate? It's the worst thing ever. And I was like, oh, they want to take care of the turtles or whatever.

That's not saving the turtles. The turtles are fucking choking on, like, on sop in their throat. Yeah, and then get this. I look at the menu, turtle soup. I was like, guys, what are we really doing here? Right? I feel like we're kind of playing both sides, right?

Yeah. You could do a show, like, going into food places to virtue signaling and then just, like, prove them wrong. Well, you've seen the guy that goes to Chinese restaurants that speaks perfect Mandarin. This is my favorite. Oh, my God. Pull this guy out.

This is like my dream. If I could speak every language in the world. And he's not Chinese. Not Chinese, and he blows their minds. He's just a white dude that, like, learned everything. He's a polyglot. Just knows a bunch of languages. Polyglot.

Polyglot. I like that term. Yeah, yeah. It's someone that speaks a bunch of different languages. I think it's like 3 plus makes you a polyglot. I speak a lot of languages. Body language, you know what I'm saying? Ms. Gagnon, beat you to it, all right?

This guy is all time. He pulls up and... All right, this might be copyrighted. So if you don't see this, it's because it's copyrighted. But let's see it, Dief. Do it without the volume, Dief. And we'll just kind of... Oh, no, you need the volume because she's talking Chinese.

Do it no volume, but you just interpret what they're saying with a perfect accent. Go ahead. Right. You don't want me doing that. This channel will get banned before the episode's over. A fork? Oh.

Yo, Paisema. Oh, oh. Oh, fuck. Yes, yes. She goes, what's going on? It's Xiauma. And today we are a... Shao-Mame?

Showman. Okay. Thank you. Here? This is right here? Yeah. Okay. Thank you. That top channel, okay.

What's, uh, what's good? What do you recommend? She's like... This one? This one? This one. There's dumb white boy, let me explain what's going on. Oh, fish.

Fish dumping. All right, let's see. Hit her with it. Oh. This one? She goes, oh, shit, I know you were like that. This one? Oh, yeah, we're like, oh, we can get him.

We got this one. We got an American undercover. Yep. I feel like fucking Morse-Coding back to Beijing. Oh, he's nice with it. Okay. That's not the sound of them driving. That's literally them like, whoa, it's crazy. And then just this little white boys got motion.

They didn't even see it coming. That's awesome. That's my dream. If I could speak every language, it's like, well, we're going to be able to do that within 50 years? Yeah, if I get chipped up and ship and my mom told me it's the market. Yeah. When did your mom tell you about Neurrelink? Like, 99?

Well, she was like, they're going to put stuff in you so you can do transactions. That's the only way we'll be able to pay for stuff. I was like, we'll see. Oh, with a chip in your brain. You pay for stuff just going like that. She didn't know it would be in your brain, but yeah. She's that might be rectal. Who knows, really?

But she was telling me, she was like, yeah, they're going to chip. Which she was telling you at like age 10, you're going to get a rectal thermometer of fucking business bills. Exactly. She's telling me about, now I'm like, she told me about Crowley. She's telling me about all these guys. Oh, Alistair Crowley. You did some content on him. I did not watch that one.

You got to peep, dude. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I did. Fill in the good people about Alistair Crowley. I mean, all-time crazy guy. Well, that's the thing. I was saying Crowley the whole time and it's actually Crowley. I pulled a Julian.

Son of a bitch. Yeah, I know. Yeah, you had it right. Yeah, you had it right. Alster Crowley. but he's a early 1900s mystic like uh sex magic occultist that kind of like paved the way for just like rock and roll occultism and english dude like went all around the world had a place in greenwich village and uh his ashes are actually buried in jersey in hampton jersey we don't claim him no he's one of yours dude but uh yeah i mean kind of wild stuff have you seen the overlap with him and some of the alien shit yes but refresh people this is the part that you To me, that's most interesting. So he gets married to a woman.

They go to Egypt. They're living in Cairo for, like, their honeymoon for, like, a couple weeks. And while they're there, his whole thing was, like, basically he was fascinated with, like, occultism and would just kind of, like, pull in all sorts of stuff from different religions. He was, like, reading the Quran. He was pulling some, like, Islamic mysticism. He was reading, like, Kabala, like, Jewish mysticism, bringing in, like,

some Christian stuff and kind of creating his own sort of philosophical ideal as to, like, you know, how people should be. This is how he created OTO. And this is, basically, the supreme law of human beings is that basically, do as thou wilt, shall be the whole of the law. This was like his thing. Do as thou wilt shall be the whole of the law. So whatever you will is ultimately what is the supreme moral force

that undergirds all of humanity, whatever it is that you want. And for Crowley, that was some opium, some alcohol, and some sex. Right. That was his shit. And so he's like doing all these rituals, basically communicate with these beings. So he goes to Cairo with his wife, and she is communicating with this entity that is effectively like the messenger of Horace. And this entity is named Awas, or Iwas, and is basically communicating this book of law to her. And he transcribes it through

his wife, writes it all down while she's like fixated in this trance. And then that becomes kind of like his Bible in a way. And there's like an Egyptian steli that's like in the museum. there that like has a bunch of like the revelations he calls it like the stelly of revelation the the being that he's talking to through his wife is like hey go to the museum steal it reclaim it is yours translate this book to all the languages of the world and he doesn't do all that but he gets it and uh you know starts transcribing it giving it to a bunch of different like mystics and occultists at the time and his life is just insane he like takes this he's now doing sex magic all over the world he's like meeting with different people he creates like the abbey of thelima

The Abbey of Thelma This is like his like temple That he creates in Sicily Yeah No, where in Sicily? Oh, I don't even know Not Palermo I don't know specifically where

You can find it The Abbey of Thelma is in Where are we at? Where are we at? Oh, I just said it It's in Sheffalo, no fucking way Yeah That's one of my favorite spots in Sicily

Well, you can go see it I'm pretty sure it's still there Well, I must have passed it He ended up getting kicked out by Mussolini Even Mussolini I feel like that's the hostel I stayed in it might have been

there's the fucking air conditioner in the window mm-hmm well he got booted by uh he got booted by Mussolini he was that's a that's a bright spot nice job benito right you know blind blind squirrel nut yeah the good with the bad you know so he basically just moving around

the world not only is he like this famous occultist that's doing sex magic and like calling himself the beast like he loved the infamy that went with his shit people would call him like you know people call him the wickedest man in the world and he's like yes I am I am the beast. I am, he loved it.

He, like, he was, like, a showman. And he was, at certain points, he was doing, like, these rituals. Like, he would do, like, these Gnostic masses that, like, were, like, basically inversions of, like, Catholic masses where, like, they would be, like, sex magic. They would do, like, their own communion type thing. And he, like, invited people with the press to go to some of these different rituals. And he would, like, spike their drinks with peyote. And people would leave it being, like, that was pretty good.

Like, the journalists were like, that was a cool kind of, yeah, I really enjoyed myself. And he's also, like, a really technical mountaineer. Like, he's climbing peaks in, like, Nepal. Oh, an actual mountaineer. Yes, he's, like, a fantastic climber that's doing, like, opium and, like, climbing mountains and shit. And then he's, like, flying around, banging different women, doing sex magic.

Sex magic is a hell of a term. Yeah. Yeah. It's exactly what you think it is. It's basically, like, doing sexual rituals with the intent of communicating with demons, or beings, as he calls them. Tantric sex is a spiritual, meditative practice that uses sexual energy to foster a deep, mindful connection between partners,

often involving practices like breathwork, prolonged eye contact, and slow deliberate touch. Unlike traditional, why are you giving me the, I don't know, deep? Because it's not giving you, like, the occult tantric sex. Tantric sex, I think, comes from the Hindu philosophy. So that's more grounded and, like, meditation and shit. You need sex magic with, with a, with a, with a, with a, with a, with a, with, with a, with, with, a C.K. at the end. Oh, CK. at the end? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Magic. Yes. And this is sexual energy and ritual to manifest desire, achieve spiritual transformation, and attain higher

consciousness. That also, they try to make that sound good. Well, depending on how you ask, maybe it is. But Alastair Crowley was doing it. Oh, yeah. And again, if, if... Wasn't he using it to, like, worship Satan? He wouldn't call it Satan. He would say, I'm speaking to beings a higher consciousness. I'm trying to tap in to, uh, this sort of divine energy. What do you think motivated that guy? I think infamy, I think like a desire for knowledge. I'm pretty sure he grew up Christian.

For knowledge. Like, again, it's like, I think what draws a lot of people into the occult is like, I'm going to understand the true teachings of the universe. Like, I'm going to understand why we're actually here. All these religions are kind of explaining in their own little ways. But he gets to be a rock and roll star

where he gets to do drugs, bang chicks, and then potentially communicate with these entities. Is he talking to him or not? I don't know. He ends up communicating not only with a wasse when he's in Cairo, this messenger of Horace. He's also talking to a deity he calls Lamb, L-A-M. Now, Lamb, he paints a picture of what Lamb looks like, and this is like 40 years before Roswell. This is like 1920s or something like that, maybe even like the teens. Yeah, the third eye going. That one on the top left. Yep, that's what Beck Leaver brought up. And that is who Crowley was talking to. by his own accounts. Now, it looks like a gray. Yeah.

A little bit. Yeah. And, yeah, he's, like, basically getting this knowledge from them and downloading it all, transcribing it. And then, yeah, just living his life. Getting, like, kicked out of different places. He's, like, getting lambasted by the end of his life, by the media. People say that he was a foreign agent for the British that he was working as a spy.

This is alleged. And again, I've heard this explain that. I'm not going to say that this is actually factual, but it is alleged that, like, he was basically writing. pro-German propaganda, but it was so absurd and like borderline satirical that people suspect that he was trying to paint the Germans as like incompetent and as stupid and then propagating it to an American audience and a British audience. So they're reading this stuff being like, oh, the Germans are idiots.

These guys have no idea what they're doing, written by Crowley. And another weird thing, he ends up when he leaves London at one point of go to New York, he rides on a boat. The boat is named the RMS Lucitania. Have you heard of this boat before? Oh, the sinker. The sinker, this is one of the reasons why, you could say one of the reasons

why the United States gets involved in World War I. Yes, that's right. After this British passenger ship goes down, 128 Americans die. America, two years later, Wilson is like, all right, let's get into the war. So this is all contributing because, allegedly, again, big allegedly,

Crowley told the Germans, hey, you guys should sink the lucidaneate. It'll keep America out of the war. they'll see that you guys aren't fucking around they won't want any part of this america's very isolationist at this point they don't want to be a part and well the idea is that crowley did this intentionally to sabotage the germans and told them this bad idea at the behest of british intelligence like yes give america a reason to join so yeah crowley's a he's spooky i mean there's like a million other things a bunch of stuff i'm probably forgetting again i'm not an

expert i did one episode on the guy wasn't you you sound like an expert would be this episode Like you fucking spit it It'll be like an hour straight And at the end you're like Especially you watch that bitch on like 1.5 speed You're like Perfect Holy shit

This dose is like hitting like four different camera angles I can see up your nostril from one of them But Wasn't there also a whole thing Maybe I'm mixing him up With someone else Where Crowley

Or Crowley Was either the inspiration for Or in some way Cross Pass with Elron Hubbard So Jack Parsons was a He was a student of Elrond Hubbard that was also connected to the NASA program

And so this was later I mean Parsons NASA program Yeah Parsons was like one of the Like you could say top Like astrophysicist that was working at NASA And was also like an occultist That was connected to Elron Hubbard

Fascinating guy He's got all sorts of wild stuff Can we pull him up thief? Yeah Jack Parsons Let's go to CIAPedia Like the first one there Jack Parsons, 1914 to 1952, was an American rocket engineer, chemist, and thelamite occultist. So, yeah, Thelamite occultus is Thelma is Crowley's thing.

Right. He's a student of Crowley, I guess you can say as well. Right. I remember this from episode 220 with Beck. He was having me read this whole thing, but I just can't remember the details. Parsons was one of the principal founders of both the jet propulsion laboratory and aerojet. He invented the first rocket engine to use a castable composite rocket. propellant and pioneered the advancement of both liquid fuel and solid fuel rockets.

He was raised in California and began amateur rocket experiments with school friend Edward Foreman in 1928. He was admitted to Stanford but left before graduating due to financial hardship during the Great Depression. In 1934, Parsons Foreman and Frank Molina formed the Caltech-affiliated Guggenheim Aeronautical Laboratory rocket research group was support by Galkit Chairman Theodore von Kermen. He's legit. And then at 39, he converts to Thelma. This is the movement founded by Crowley. Let's hit that, Thelma. Let's get it. Let's get it. So it's founded by Crowley.

Western esoteric and occult social or spiritual philosophy and a new religious movement founded in the early 1900s by Alistair Crowley, an English writer, mystic occultist, and ceremonial magician. Central to Thelma is the concept of discovering and following one's true will, a divine and individual purpose that transcends. ordinary desires the system begins with the book of law a text he maintained was dictated by him by a non-corporal entity name i was which is what you're referring to this work outlines key principles including the axioms do with thou wit shall be the whole of the law and love is the law love under will emphasizing personal freedom and pursuit of one's true path see they they dress it up it sounds kind of cool right well that's the thing no one thinks they're doing doing anything wrong, you know.

He looks like a fucking Pharaoh. Yeah, well, you know, this is what Awas said for him to wear. Today, he'd be labeled a racist. I mean, I think it was kind of racist in the back then. I think even back then, that really this guy's kind of racist. Yeah, yeah. All right, King Tutton. Jesus.

But yeah, wild dude that was like lived in an insane life. And then around the same time, but never really crossing past was Edgar Casey. I don't know about him. Edgar Casey, the sleeping prophet. This is a dude that was like... Sleeping prophet. Yes. And they were operating the same exact time in the early 1900s. And Casey's whole thing was that he was like a devout Christian that loved Jesus. Jesus was like the divine, you know, man, you know, God incarnate and like hated this gift that he had according to his own accounts. And basically he would go to sleep and enter these trances where he was able to make these crazy predictions. This was like his whole thing. Nostra fucking Damos type shit.

And, yeah, he would have these predictions that, you know, some of them, I mean, some of them are interesting. And many of them people believe are like retrofitted to kind of justify what he was kind of saying in vague terms. Right. So like, for example, he says, again, this is happening before, he dies in 45 and he's doing these readings based from like 1900 to 1945, like up until the day of his death. And his whole idea is like, oh, I'm helping people. So he's doing a ton of, like, private readings for people,

helping them with their life, giving them guidance and advice, that he's, what he thinks is basically a gift from God. And he's also making other predictions about the world. One of the predictions he says in like 1968, Atlantis will rise again. That Atlantis is like a real place, but also like a moral philosophy is written by it. 100 years after they were saying the South would rise again.

Exactly. Atlantis will rise again, baby. Come on, y'how. Get your tribes. Come on, boys. I think MLK took one thing. he was basically like 1968 it's going to be off the coast of the Bahamas now that could make sense now in 1968 what is discovered off the coast of the Bahamas something called the Bimini road

now the Bimini road as you know probably from Graham Hancock is like this weird rock formation under the water that looks like a road yeah now geologists will just be like no this is a natural rock formation that was occurring because of the way the water was going through this channel and there's nothing more to it but it happened in the same year that casey had predicted basically saying like hey here's the thing mark can we google something real fast edward edward casey net worth this is how i test my clairvoyance go ahead because if you could predict the future and you're like really good at it you would invest in you'd be you'd make nancy pelosi look like a loser in the stock market you'd be worth fucking 40 billion you would have called you

called Apple when it was in a garage. Double down on standard oil. Yeah. Yeah. So if he's not worth like five bands and by bands I mean like Billy, you know. I don't think he died very wealthy. He had like a library and stuff. But again, he's not saying, I mean, which is like valued a lot of money.

But he's not saying like, oh, I can predict the future. His whole thing was like, I go into these trances and I get information. What I get is what I get. It's from God. But he's almost like the anti-crowly where he's like. I'm going to do this as a service to people. I want to help people. So he's an anti-Croly.

In a way. I don't know if people have made this connection. This is just my- Wasn't Crowley trying to lie though and saying like, oh, I'm trying to help people doing this? Well, yeah, of course. Everyone thinks they're helping. But like, in terms of the function of how they were sort of doing it,

like, Crowley's like, do whatever you want, whatever you will is the way things should be, fuck whoever, go to these masses, try to open up portals to talk to whatever beings you want. And this guy's like reluctantly, like, I don't want to do this. I just want to live my life. life but unfortunately i have this gift where i'm able to talk to angels this is all happening at the same time these guys never crossed bat it's always fun of very interesting that is interesting

i'm trying to think other things he says like russia is going to be like the key to preserving world peace that's like how's that working out well they have the keys let's see what they do again people have gone through his teachings and been like or gone through his predictions have been like this is what he's actually meaning he says like china will become like the new spiritual center of the world but again he's making all these predictions like the 1920s 30s um I'm trying to think of other other significant ones. Those are the ones that stick out of my head. But pretty wild.

You said that on Crowley, though, he was like propagandizing in Germany. Allegedly. Allegedly, which he definitely was. But it's interesting because he's a guy who's like into the occult. Yeah. And then we know that there's a whole rabbit hole of the actual Nazis, senior Nazi party, being extremely into the occult.

Heinrich Himmler specifically. Was that, okay, why was Himmler like the most into it? He was just like an actual occult idyllic. People claimed that like Hitler was, based on people I've talked to, it doesn't seem like he was like super down. And especially by the end of the... You got sources?

There is a guy, Eric Curlander's like the preeminent source on this that wrote a whole book based on like Hitler and the Supernatural or like the Third Reich and the Supernatural. I thought you were saying like, yeah, I talked to his brother. that's how that was sounding not like the historian no Jeff Hitler was a nephew that knew everything and he uh no

he's basically like dude Hitler there's like a little bit into it like you would read some stuff kind of like if you're trying to understand like Aryan Nazi philosophy it's sort of steeped in like pseudo intellectual like race philosophy where it's like you know the supreme master race is like the white

Aryan but like the Japanese they're the Aryans of Asia yeah they always made it fit Yeah, and then they're like, but what about the Russians? They're blonde hair, blue eyes. They're like, no, no, no. They're not actually from the region that, you know, the first man came from in Scandinavia.

And so there's like all this like Norse mythology and shit. So it seems like Hitler had like a casual interest as a young guy. Like he was reading like different, like he was reading this journal called like Osterra. Osterra. I think it was what it was called. And it's like O-E-S-T-R-A. And it was basically like this sort of like early theosophic, occult journal that would kind of like blend like racial ideas like occult things and some

people suggest that he was reading it from a young age but it doesn't seem like anything later on would support this ostarra that's what it was starra or ostara i'm not even going to try to say that it's a long whatever was a german nationalist magazine founded in 1905 by the arophosis occultus yorglans von liebensfels in vienna austria and in which he published anti-semitic Volkish theories. Lance derived, I guess, check via Twitter now. Lance derived the name of the publication from the reconstructed old high German goddess named Osara Lance claimed that the Ostrogoths and the nation of Austria were martinomically named after this goddess. In the study of Lanz von Liebenzfels, the Australian psychologist Wilfrid Dimes states that the most likely,

that most likely this is even greater nonsense. According to Von Liebenfelds, the magazine had a peak circulation of 100,000 and appeared in three series. The first series included anywhere from 89 to 100 issues between 1905 and 1917. The second series had only one issue and the third series issued 20 times. Adolf Hitler was reportedly one of the publications readers in his late, damn it, there it is, in his late teens. And there is speculation that it served as a catalyst for his anti-Semitism and that fucking art school, not letting them in. Also that. They could have saved the world

if he was out there fucking painting hallmark cards instead just like whipping that shit out exactly so he was like reading this allegedly as a young teen or like a late teen

like into his 20s and he was like casually interested but he ended up getting pissed and like rounding up a lot of like the mystics in Nazi Germany because he was like this whole thing is bullshit but Himmler was down and at certain points

like Himmler was forming these like historical societies the Oberfeld, I afraid exactly what the term was. But basically it was a German term for like rediscovering the German's true history. And he sent these people out to go find like the honor, the honor, the honor alb. I don't know. I am going to try to fucking sit. Honor Nerebe?

Thank you. You're Greek. Thank you. Jesus. Come on, don't leave me hanging, baby. He's got to figure it out. He knows German, too. The Annenerbe was basically like, this was an organization that was created out of the.

Shushenstaffel. Yes, literally. out of Himmler's mind to go out and like find history that supported like racist, mystical, occult Nazi ideals, which was like Thor's Hammer might be real. Let's go get it. And they found a way to make that like white people. And they try, yeah, they were like, this is like, you know,

the Norse, this is where our people are from. This is where the Aryans are really from, even though they're like Indo-Aryan comes from like Persia, India. But forget all that history. We need to find the true history of the Aryans, which is Norse. And this Norse god was actually real and potentially the Thor's hammer is out there.

And so he's like writing these letters of people being like, hey, try to find this hammer. They never found it. But he ended up founding a place called Veevelsburg Castle. This was like a secret meeting place for the SS and it was adorned with all of these like mystical artifacts that he would find, like old Norse runes and like a chalice and like they were trying to find all this shit.

Weevilsburg. Yeah, there it is. Renaissance castle located in the village of Weevilsburg, which is the district of the town of Buren, Westphalia, and the Lakers of Paterbourne, in the northeast of North Rhine, Westphalia, Germany. Yeah, and find the Nazi part. This is the one you want. Go to Nazi era on the left.

Down Nazi era. Okay. In 1932, the local head of the district authority ordered about 70 members of the Frey Willinger Arbendice Fad, that's what's called Voluntary Labor Service, to be housed in the Weevilsburg. They were unemployed and supported by the state of... So if you go to the very bottom paragraph, there's, there's speculation that it was Carl Wilgett who persuaded Himmler to use the castle, not only as a school, but as a cult site.

And, yeah, it basically was like the idea of, hey, we're going to turn this in like a serious society of like our top SS guys to use the occult to, you know. I'm also, and now I'm getting fuzzy to make sure I don't mix it up. But at the end of the war, when Hitler was in the bunker and everyone was scrambling and then there was like a crisis of leadership in the last days with the Nazi party even before he died, wasn't it Himmler who was the one who was first trying to break with him and like make some deal? Oh, maybe. I don't know this. With the with the allies or whatever. Oh, you're thinking of Rudolph Hess. No, no, no, no. Hess was captured in Britain back in like 41 or whatever.

There's an occult tie-in with Hess too. Well, what's the time there? Well, the reason, you can look this up, allegedly. One of the main reasons that Hess flew to Britain to go talk to Churchill and, like, the top brass of the allies was because he talked with his astrologer. And his astrologer was like, you can save the German people. You can stop this war.

You can be like, yeah, you can be like the guy that saves the day if you go over there and talk to him. And he ends up getting captured in, like, Scotland, I think, and then send us to prison. and I think sent us in prison during the whole war. He, like, crash lands there. Yeah, crash lands. He's like, I'm here to help,

and they're like, no, bitch, you're going to prison. And apparently Hitler found out that the astrologer was one of the people that advised him, and Hitler was, like, done with all these guys. Get the astrologers. Like, all these mystical woo-woo people. Fuck all this shit. Nine, nine, nine, nine.

Literally, like, sends them all to prison and gets them out of here. But then a lot of them get bailed out of these camps and, like, concentration centers and shit, because they were trying to, to use psychics to find American boats, like military positions. How'd that work out? Not great.

Oh, well. But they, apparently, if you look at the Pendulum Institute. The Pendulum Institute. I can't, this might be British, but I think the Nazis were doing this as a response to the British, that they were basically using remote viewers. The pendulum institute was created by the British to use remote viewers to find U-boats, like German U-boats. And then the Germans were like, well, if they're doing that, we should do our version of it.

And they started bailing out these mystics and clairvoyance to try to, like, use a cult spy where it's like a South Park episode Now the way I view this is like You're at the end of the war You're just trying any shit you can I guess I don't think it was actually effective I don't think they were actually using psychics to to do the shit What do you think about our side tangent for a minute

We'll come back to this but what do you think about some of our people Like the Joe McMonicals and I forget this other lady She was on Sean Ryan and then Chris Ramsey actually just had her on, I haven't had a chance to see it yet, but who were part of Project Stargating claim to be able to Remote View. Do you buy any of it? I don't know. I go back, Remote View is the thing. I think about it, a decent amount because it's just like, like, Ingo Swan is a part of, like, CAA docs and that he was actually working with them. I'm like, I've had to explain to me this way that it's like low-cost,

high impact. So it's like, okay, this is this budget for this is going to be a million bucks. And to us, we're like, dude, you're spending a million dollars in remote. viewing, there must be something there. If you look in the totality of the U.S. defense budget, it's like 0.0001%. So they're like, oh, this cost nothing and the impact might be huge. Right. So let's give it a shot. It's like the moon shot kind of thing. And it's like, yeah,

let's just try. Let's just see. A couple cents at it. Who knows? These people claim they can do some stuff? Let's talk to them. And then they end up getting these docs and then it, you know, kind of goes out that way. I'm like, I just I'm too skeptical to fully be like, yes, this is what's happening. But at the same time, there are a ton of, like, remote viewers that have been involved in, like, secret government projects for 70 years, 60 years.

It's just like, Chris Ramsey was explaining to me the test score history of McMonicle. And, like, the way I'd go roll that at 248 that I did with him, go roll that episode because he explained it, or 247, he explained it way better. But there was like, there's a series of levels that you go through and they test you to be able to write on a piece of paper. what's on like the other side of like a window that they have and he scored like a perfect i want to say six a six yeah on it or something so there was it's like there's a there's a there but is the there that's there something that can like you know fucking remote view something that's going to happen in a year or something like that and then on top of that's like okay you can let's say there is a there right you're channeling something how like predictable is it

Like, can you actually just be like, okay, give me coordinates. I'm going to see some secret base someplace far away. And then how reliable is that? Are you really going to send like a bunch of the boys, you know, American troops? Because this guy said this thing. Right? It's like, that costs a lot of money too. Exactly.

Exactly. So it's like, I don't know. There's still a part of the reserve skepticism, but I do find it interesting enough to look into. Did you see the clip of that same lady I was talking about when she was on Sean Ryan where he asked her about the crucifixion? no that kind of freaked me out a little bit why would she say it could have been like total if she's like an actress in complete bullshitting it could have been like just like a bad actress moment that was so bad that it was good or it's like what the fuck where you know Sean's sitting back there in his chair and he's like so uh if you ever remote viewed the crucifixion and she just like

looks up and she's quiet and there's like a long pause he goes you don't want to talk about that She's like, she's like, that's the whole clip? That's the clip. No, we need to know what happened. Yeah, can we pull that up, thief? I mean, that's why. I'll call Jeremy and they won't copyright us, hopefully.

But there's a clip, Sean Ryan, remote viewer, Jesus, Instagram. Let's try that. This is fascinating. Again, like, with the remote viewing stuff, I'm like, I find it all interesting. Like, I love diving into the rabbit hole, but, like, I haven't seen a case that I'm like, this is 100% true. you know is it even possible to say that then you know what I mean like how do you like where yeah this is

it were you there all right so government psychic physically disturbed when asked about remote viewing the crucifixion here we go if it's copyrighted it's going to skip this go Google with people you'll be able to see it looked into if you tried to look into religion at all such as the crucifixion I don't like that Do you have Do you not want to talk about that Okay

Okay Well it doesn't give us It doesn't give us a ton You know I mean His delivery was incredible Yeah you don't want to talk He's like all right moving on I mean that

What does that tell us? I don't know, man. She could be a horrible actress. That's where my head did go. I'm not going to lie. Or maybe the Muslims are right. Maybe, yeah. Right?

Like in Islam. Tell her to draw Muhammad and we'll find out. Okay. Don't do that. No one do that. No, I'm not serious. According to Islam, like all my Muslim brothers will appreciate this. Jesus, peace be upon him, is the prophet before.

You have to do like the thing, too. Beck lover goes, peace be upon him. Or something like that. No, no, no, no. I have all respect for all religions of the world. No, no, it's like a sign of respect. I hope Becklover's not, like, making that shit up. He's Muslim.

Oh, okay. Every time he goes to, Jesus, peace be upon him. Oh, no, I've never seen him. Yeah, it's like kind of, you're like, oh, all right, we're here now. That's so funny. Yeah, okay. He gets very serious about it. Well, they put the peace on Jesus every time.

I'm like, dude, you guys might be more Christian than me. That's far. But he's the prophet before the prophet for the prophet Muhammad, also peace be upon him. And according to some, like, Muslim sort of, sources again. It's never really said. In the Quran, they basically say that it appeared to the people as if Jesus was crucified. That's what it says. And then there's no further explanation of what exactly that means. So some people suspect that it's possible that Jesus was switched. And that Jesus never died, that he basically was ascended into heaven as a prophet and then we'll return at the end of days to defeat the Antichrist, the Dajal. And that this is like a part of like Muslim eschatology. And so Jesus is in heaven, ascends into heaven. heaven he ascended without being crucified without being crucified he just goes to live with with allah and then is going to come back at the end of days but there was someone that was crucified to look like jesus now some muslims believe this is not like uh you know doctrinal but this is one of

the elements of islam so if this woman went back and saw it then maybe she's like i saw it praise be allah no it was they swapped jesus i don't know we have to ask her we have to ask She saw. Let's start some problems. Zonwan was right, dude. Zoroans in New York was right. But yeah, that's why I was hoping she was going to be like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, he died, you know, three days in the tomb, went to heaven, 100% saw it.

I'd be like, whew, as a Catholic, I'd be like, think of us. Bro, your fucking Easter live stream as Jesus is one of the funniest things I've ever seen. And we can't play because that's Eminem in the background. Oh, yeah. I watched that probably 75. five times. It's so good. I went to church with my baby recently.

This was like last Sunday. Dressed as Jesus? Just as me. And then he kept on pointing at the Cruzevix going, da-da. I was like, no, I can see the confusion, but no. Yeah. Yeah. Oh my God.

Yeah, we discussed that on the Patreon. Just pointing at Jesus. Bro, the fucking two trailer park girls might round me outside in the back. in the background where you're like, yeah, what's up, fam, I'm risen, what's good, yeah, nah, we're kind of now on talking terms right now. It was like a trend.

Like, I saw some people do it as like different historical figures and I was like, I look too much like Jesus not to do this. I sent it to my priest. I was like, is this sacri-litus? Was he upset about it? He was like, no, I think it's fine.

Yeah, he's got it. I mean, it's comedy. That's what you do for a living. It's one, like, we can't play it because of the music, but I wonder if like I can get away with it. It's so fucking fun. we back wait for a few more people to drink and then the fucking water turns to wine

go live with judas rather not still not on good terms how many followers do you have now start with 12 numbers are going up pretty steadily you did watch it you actually you actually do my hair look great there shout out when's the merch dropping gonna do a chain draft pop up pop-up stores around Roman Galilee I can send you the version without without music that we can play send me that

I will I will on so many podcasts bro oh it's so good I appreciate that thank you holy shit you got to do more of that because you're like a good actor too oh thank you I appreciate that

no one's told you that ask me ask me where I was during the crucifixion watch what were you I don't want to talk no no you have to not say anything you just have to like itcher okay

that's right no I'd buy it I'd buy it have you thought about I've asked you this before but like since have you thought about like doing any acting stuff I know you weren't like the biggest fan

but I'm again I'm open if someone is like dude we have this sick role it's a part of this awesome thing do you want to be in it and be like 100% if it's like hey do you want to audition a bunch and see if you get something

I'm like yeah I'm good but if it opened up again I like stand up I love comedy more than anything that's the thing that I'd like identify with as a human. So I'm like, I would do that. If I could just do that forever, I'll do that forever. You know what I mean? So I'm like that's... It's a different thing, you know? Well, that's the thing with acting, you're trying your best to become someone different. Right.

Christian Bale is like, allegedly, I haven't seen any of his movies, but allegedly is able... No, I saw, I saw Dallas Byers Club. Is he in that? No. Same thing. So you can see, right? Get out. You can see... Dude, I'll be honest, I met McConaughey, and I met Dax Shepherd at the same time. You say you were great in Dark Night to McConaughey. I'm going to fucking shoot you if you said that. I don't think he was that good in Dark Night to me. But I met both them and I was kind of more excited to me, Dax.

Because I listen to Armchair Expert. I listen to Armchair Expert all the time. And everyone was like, dude, McConaughey's here. I'm like, dude, Dax is right here. Look at this. I love this guy. Dax is great. No, he's awesome.

But more people, if you're going to meet McConae or Dax, more people. You're going to tell me you like Dax more than me. Exactly. Like, most people are. I like to do McConaughey, though. But I was like... Oh, no, I saw Understeller. I saw Understeller.

Fire. I loved it. So, respect to McConaug, respect to both of course. But... What did you even just do to the mic? I've never seen that before? Well, let go. Put a little blue show in there.

What the fuck? You never seen that? No. It's called sex magic. Okay. Yeah. It's given a little bit of build-o vibes. All right, so I ruined everything.

But no, I would be interested, actually, right now, the thing I'm curious about the most is I would love to do a comedy special about the Abrahamic faiths. Now, that's risky. I mean, you, I will say, like, even your clips, because obviously you're not putting your whole sets on Instagram,

but even your clips, like, you take some wrists, and it works every time. I appreciate that. You'd, like, own it. I appreciate it. And you're like, listen, just nerdy white guy here,

don't mind me. Anyway, Nigerian names. Exactly. Well, dude, I like, maybe I've shared this before on you. I apologize. That's going to buy. I'm sorry.

I ruined it. No, what did you? You have a link to here. Yeah, what the fuck? Yeah, we're going to put creases to work. You just like Bennett. I'm sorry, Dief. I ruined your mic.

It's all right. I'll fix it. I've fucked it all up. All right. That's better. There we go. Give it some byagra. Yeah, exactly.

I love cultures and I love people. Yes. I think above anything else, like I genuinely love people. Like, I'm so fascinated. And I don't judge. I'm like, I'll find it funny. I think there's certain things that I think are hilarious. But, like, I love people.

And I think the. maybe not the best way, but an essential way to understand a culture is to understand their religion. Like, I always say this on religion camp. I'm like, I don't think you can understand a people without knowing the God they worship. So for me, it's like, I want to understand the faith, because most of these cultures don't exist ontologically outside of their faith, right? Like, in order to understand the Middle East, you have to understand Islam. To understand America, you have to understand puritanical evangelical Christianity. To understand, like, Western Europe, you've got to understand Catholicism. Like, it's intrinsic to understanding the people is

how they orient their lives. And for most of them, it's the most single important thing in life. So it's like, at the very least, as a respectful human being on this planet, I should know the bare minimum, right? Yes. I should understand what the Quran is about. I should read some of the hadiths. I should get that. Like, I should read the Talmud. I should understand the Torah, the Tanakh. Like, to me it's like, kind of just like being a respectful human being is to like know more or less what it's about. You don't got to read everything, of course. But so for me, I'm like, I love culture. I love people and I want to understand how they're connected and religion and culture and how they're connected. And so doing all these different channels is a way to kind of like,

understand better and be less ignorant about all these people I share the planet. Yeah, I like that you're doing the different topics like that too, where you have like religion camp as one, going through the history and everything. And then for me, comedy is just like, okay, let's take all this data and then make it funny. Yeah. Now, how do you, obviously you're going to take risk doing that. Obviously, as a comedian, you can't worry about like on a certain level offending someone who wants to be offended and stuff like that. But how do you do that in a way where you're like, all right, I'm going to and not piss off the majority of people.

There will always be a subset. Of course. But the way you do that is, most people are going to like it. You know more. By knowing, like, about the culture and actually, like, immersing yourself, like, calling up your buddy from high school that is Nigerian, and you're like, oh, dude, I didn't, like, I never even connected, like, your culture and, like, the fact that your parents are, like, from, you know, Lagos or whatever.

Like, I didn't, I didn't ever connect that with who you are as a person. So, like, tell me about your culture and shit. You understand where the lines are. So, like, I would feel comfortable. doing a show and having a, like, I've done shows where it's like a bunch of Muslims in the front. And I'm like, oh, I know what's funny about Islam without offending you guys. And I know where the lines are. And I know how to do that with Christians and with Jews. And by knowing more and having, and just being more versed on like people than you know what's going to offend them. And you

know more or less what they're going to find funny. It's interesting because it feels like the lines are getting drawn more than ever between like cultures and people. Like sometimes it feels like the internet itself is like we're all sciopping ourselves and separating groups more than ever when the fucking internet is the tool that brings people together from around the world unlike ever before like the the paradox there is insane yes you go on twitter and it's like oh everything's the juiceful and you're like and then it's like now anytime any time any type of like moral philosophy is just like this ethnic group is the problem yep you've completely missed the point like you're you're completely like jumped it like what are you doing like everyone's

like talking about all these problems, like, oh, dude, wealth inequality and, you know, cost of living and government and that. I'm like, these are all legitimate concerns. But then instead of like unifying as a force and being like, okay, let's try to get good politicians in, like, let's try to like actually have some agenda proposals that'll do good. You have dumb idiots on the internet being like, oh, it's this people. Right. They're the reason.

And I'm like, did you learn nothing? Right. And it's like, I think a great example is Uganda, Ediamine. Hmm. Ediamine. Yeah, tell people who didn't see Last King of Scotland. Exactly. Becomes the dictator of Uganda and pretty summarily and very quickly just, like, kicks out all

these South Asians. They call them South Asians. We call them Indians. But they're all basically like daisy, like diaspora. Okay. So it's like Pakistanis and Indians that have moved to Uganda. And many of them were moving there as like indentured servants under the British and then built lives there and then started their own companies and businesses.

And then Ediamin comes in and says, we need to be Uganda first. We need to kick out all of the foreigners. If you're not in Uganda, if you don't have dark skin, if you're not of us, you're out. And so within 24 hours, he gave all these people an ultimatum and said, leave or be imprisoned.

And so as a result, you have this giant, like, brain drain of all these people that have built their entire lives. They are Ugandan. They've lived in this country. Their whole lives, their parents are Ugandan. They just happen to look, you know, Indian. And so as a result, the country kind of collapses

because all of these economic drivers for the country are now leaving. And so overnight, it's like, your laundromat is closed. and your mechanic is not there anymore. And so all of a sudden, the country starts implode on itself. And it's like, yeah, dude, you just kicked out

all of the people that are like supporting your economy. Not all of them, but many of these people that are contributing to the economy that are good members or society, you kick them out. So anytime people are like, dude, this group's the problem, I'm like, and I know people on the internet are going to be like, oh, dude, you're doing Israeli propaganda. You're so naive.

Oh, good goal or whatever. I'm like, dude, anytime you're pointing at a group and being like, they're the reason for all the problems in the world, you missed it. First of all, you all. all, you also have got, and I don't care where you're talking about here, it could be China, could be Russia, could be Israel, could be fucking wherever. You have to be able to separate people from their government too. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like people, I've always said this line,

my friend Eric Zooliger, who's someone he should definitely have all when he's in town. He's so fucking funny, unintentionally too. But like, you know, he's traveled the world in all these random places, particularly places that aren't recognized as countries. And he's like, people are not their governments, bro. You know? And when you start to define them that way by the decisions made, especially when a government's bad, which, you know, newsflash, that happens a lot. Yeah, empires are kind of evil. Yeah. It's like, you know, everyone just needs a boogeyman on things. And I guess when I was younger, when I was a teenager, I was just, I mean, Newsflash, I was very naive. Yeah, same. There was a thought with like the internet had come in now and I'm like, oh, wow.

So no one will ever be able to separate themselves as a people like ethnically anymore. Like they'll do it in small ways, but never like, oh, look at them or oh, look at them because we can all just talk to each other now. Yeah. It has had the opposite effect in the modern era. And I feel like, I love your thoughts on this. I feel like the real breaking point, like people talk about like the political unrest after the global financial crisis. in the U.S. certainly have a great argument there, but like the real breaking point was COVID because you had something happen where particularly elites in power lied. Much of what was put out

there was propaganda and wrong. And so it broke people, and I get it, where they're like, therefore, anything that we have ever heard now or before is now wrong. We're just, it's going to be, it's like SpongeBob. We're going to be opposite day every day. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I I think just like contrarian thinking is maybe like a healthy exercise. Like always like hear something and evaluate it, be skeptical, like try to like digest it and think about it. But just by immediately taking the opposite stance of whatever the majority, whatever you've been taught your whole life is, is going to lead you inevitably into the wrong direction or into multiple different wrong directions.

And I think we're seeing that a lot with social media, especially I think things are because there's so much content, the algorithm's answer is to silo things. And so because there's just so much you can't consume it. everything the algorithms are basically okay let's keep people on these platforms let's give them something they love something they hate something they love something they hate keep them on this emotional roller coaster because like you leave these social apps and you're not feeling better you know what i mean like generally like i turn off my phone i'm not like oh i was so rewarded like i'm so glad i did that it's like no this is a slot machine and you win sometimes you lose sometimes

and they're designed in that way to hack your brain to make you feel kind of like you need another hit. That's right. Not like you need good content or bad cond. You just need another hit. So as a result, things are more siloed. Things don't spill over. You're kind of stuck in your echo chamber. And the concern is that it radicalizes people in every different direction. Not only like neo-Nazi

radicalization, but like, you'll have like ultra left wing, like, dude, Mao was sick propaganda. And you're like, hold on. We're getting too separated here. And so, I don't know if you know the YouTuber J-Reg. No. You may have seen him. He's like brilliant. And I really like watching this stuff.

It's all, I think, his name might be Greg, but his handle is J. Reg. So I actually don't even know how he pronounces it. But he just does like really interesting, like funny YouTube content about like the political space. And he did one, this was like four or five years ago, about like the Overton window. Oh, yeah. This dude. You've probably seen his face. I have not seen this.

No. He's great. Postmodern love songs. I already like him. Yeah, yeah. His new thing is like, he's anti-clanker. So he's like against like the AI. clank revolution so he's like trying to restore that like a kind of thing it's a it's

like a funny say that on YouTube not in England but yes it's a market just not trying to get demonitized it's like a the clanker thing is like a funny slur for like the robot overlords okay excuse me and but he made one of the Overton window that I thought was great that you explain the Overton window is basically the window of acceptable discourse within any society so you know, during McCarthyism, like, communism was outside of the Overton window. Like, it was, people were flirting with it,

and people were like, no, no, no, you have to reel it in. Be more centrist, da-da-da. And so that window will shift. And, like, there's a bunch of different Overton windows that exist in different communities, right? Like, there's words that we won't use and those exist outside the Overton window. And he basically made this thing, like,

the window historically was, like, shifting left, shifting right. You would have, like, during New Deal America, like, yeah, it was a little left. And then, like, you know, during Reagan was moving right. And, like, the way people would talk about stuff, this window was just shifting. And he's saying now the window is broken

and that it's shifting in both directions where, like, left thoughts are good, right thoughts are good, but centrist thoughts are out. He's right. And that by claiming to be a centrist, people on either side will be like, oh, you're actually right wing. Or being a centrist, people are like, oh, you're actually left wing.

And so now you have this bifurcation where the middle is out and the far ends are also out. And I was like, that is a great way to put it. The window is not shifting anymore. It's completely fractured. You got to get that guy in for a podcast. Oh, he's, I hit him up actually recently.

I think he lives in Canada, even Toronto. Yeah, if you get him, send him here afterwards. I'd love to talk to them about that. That is, I think he's a thousand percent right. But he has all sorts of interesting things about like horseshoe theory. Like, you know, we'll take you on one side. Well, it's like, he has, you should just watch the videos. But like, basically like in every different political strata, like things are horseshoeing.

And if you're familiar with horseshoe theory, it's like, as you go farther right and farther left, it kind of meets in the same thing. And so he's like, you have far right-wing people that are like, yeah, dude, we hate Jews. We hate Israel, da-da-da-da. And then even far left-wing people that are like, yeah, we also hate. And they're, like, coming together. And he shows there's a bunch of different horseshoes. And I just think he's really clever.

But on the Overton Window thing, I'm like, I feel like that's what's happening, is that as things are so siloed, people are kind of just getting whatever feed they want. And by having, like, a type of, like, politically neutral stance where you're sort of, like, taking some stuff from here, some stuff from here and, like,

being a normal human being, which I still maintain most people are, the internet and sort of the digital atmosphere that we're in like just separates people in such a crazy way. I don't even know if anyone believes anything. Are you people on Twitter being like, dude, Hitler's cool. And you're like, do you even believe this? Are you just trying to get clicks? It's not even real. Are you just living in some like developing country trying to make money on outraging people? I'm like, yeah, that's a great point, Mark. I mean, you have to remember, and I'd like to think I'm not an optimist about this.

I do. I, I, and you as well, obviously. Like, I do think we're right. But when you go on to Twitter, which is on every continent, basically, probably on Antarctica too, I'm not short, but you know, you can see a tweet that has 50,000 likes and 3 million views and you're like, oh my God, that's what everyone thinks. Yeah. First of all, 1.7 million of those views are bought accounts and not real, including 30,000 of those likes. And the 20,000 likes that are there are people who are habitually tied to Twitter all day

and liking shit. So I will give you an example. We were sitting in here recording with the religion business guys who are all. So dudes you should definitely have on your show on September 10th when Charlie Kirk was shot. And we went to take a quick bathroom break. And during the bathroom break, Dief was like, dude, Charlie Kirk just got shot. And it's really bad. And we were like, oh shit.

And we got back on air and we were just all shell shot. And then we finished. They left. Deif left. And it was like a weird day. He was like, what the fuck? And I remember just seeing Twitter and scrolling at 10, 15 minutes and seeing how angry people were and I get that completely right and how politicized some of it immediately got and all that and then I put my phone down I walked to my window out there and it was around 530 maybe so it's during peak rush hour of people coming back and I watched people walking back from the path train down my street and ironically this was a day where not everyone was glued to their phones which is that felt very symbolic to me because usually you know I used to people fucking texting down the street but I'm watching people walk and these are people who are people who are people who are people

from ages 22 to 60 all different backgrounds people vote left people to vote right people that don't vote at all and there was no one with like a commotion or like holding their phone out like oh see that people were going about their lives i'm not saying that means you ignore something like that that was a seminal event for all the wrong reasons and and stuff i'm not saying that but i am saying this anger that you see at everything is not representative of the whole of society unless we try to make it in a way that we try to then dictate that thing to come out into the real world and force people to get involved and force people to get mad at each other, you know? Yeah, 100%.

I mean, even seeing people mad about, like, Zoron and Trump, like, talking. Like, people on the left, like, why is he like capitulating to this, you know, fascist and people on the right being like, why is Trump talking, this communist saying that they agree on stuff? This is crazy. I'm like, no, no, no, both these people are elected. They're in power. I would love to see people cooperating. yes like again i this and i just be my my christian bias but you know i think about the book of

matthew from time to time blessed are the peacemakers and uh not the peacekeepers necessarily you don't need to just like allow anything to happen all the time and just like nato bro yeah it just roll over but like make peace and like find people you disagree with and try to find common ground and pull them back to your side and maybe they'll pull you to your side and we can all kind of be in the middle and lower the temperature and i hate like the negative rhetoric because it also makes jokes harder in a way like I love me like I love comedy above everything else so like anything that infringes on my bill I do stand up like is annoying to me so like I love making cultural jokes and jokes about people's backgrounds where they're from and like

religion and all sorts of stuff that like when the temperature gets too hot people immediately get scared and so I'll be talking so I'm like oh you're Mormon and people are like oh dude it's talking about religion and I'm like no no I'm just like I know where the lines are I'm just going to make some funny jokes about the underwear. It's going to be fine. I talk to a Muslim dude, a Jewish guy. And I can feel the tension where people are like, oh, no. And in certain ways, the tension is good because you can release it. But at the same time, like, I don't want to have to justify myself, like, hey, I'm operating in good faith. I love people and I love these people specifically at this show right here in front of me. I have nothing but empathy and respect. And I just

want to, like, tease and poke fun and make fun of myself and make fun of them. It's not that deep. And you can just feel the tension in the room, though. It's like, oh, he said black. Oh, no, this is going to be bad. And it's like, guys, it's okay. Okay. Like, I, like, I understand that there's actual bad actors out there that exist to, like, stir up vitriol and get people to hate each other. That's not me. And, uh, I just kind of want the temperature to settle because, again, like, I don't think racism is funny, but I think racial jokes are very funny. No, seriously, though, there's a huge difference there. Yeah. Like, you talk to anyone, any of your guys that you've had on who are like in the military or whatever. I mean, that's like the diversity coalition. Yeah, the most, they got every race, creed around. religion in that thing and the way that they pass, they'll tell you, the way they pass the time is making funny jokes about each other's cultures. Yeah, it's great. Yeah, it's awesome. I feel like that's just how dudes talk. That's what I'm saying. It's like there's somewhere along

the way it became, you know, this locker room duck. You're not allowed to do that at all, you know? I'm not saying you gotta go all the way with things. Don't be full Italian, you know? Sometimes it deep hits me, like I gotta pull it back. But still, like when we got to a point where people were litigating every word you said you're like oh this slippery slopes way worse than whatever the other side is like yeah that's where we're at now where it's getting weird because you made that point the jrigg the youtube channel right there which can we make a note to link that in the description just so people can can check that out but like he was talking about the overton window has now removed centrism and it's far one way or the other and i don't think there's any better example than like

the dichotomy of like not to single it out but just look at at this kind of like symbol right here the dichotomy between like woke policing of all words and anyone who speaks against us we're going to throw on some mass and shut down your speech at a fucking college with balakavas and shit versus like Nick Fuentes like there's no I there's nothing but air between those two you know I mean heavier that they can't walk through with gas nitrous whatever right Like, there is significant space between them. And so people who are just like, yeah, no, I don't like that. I don't like that either.

They're like, shut the fuck up right now. Like to me, I've been talking about this recently because I hadn't seen Christopher Nolan's Batman trilogy in a while, but I rewatched it a couple months ago. And holy shit, did he, because he made these movies in 2004, 07, and 2011. They came out in 0508 in 2012. holy shit did he nail where society was going prophetic yeah like and he does that with a lot of his movies who but what he does is before he does a film he picks a word as his tone this is what the film is about not necessarily the title of the film like a word so for dark night it was chaos

i started thinking about that i'm like oh my god okay dark night chaos who represents that well obviously the joker he's chaos right but who's the symbolic figure spoiler alert in the movie who gets flipped by the chaos harvey dent it becomes two-faced he becomes the very thing that he hates and i looked at and i said some of the shit that's being pushed on the internet right now is the joker and we all have to decide if we're going to be harvey dent are we going to become the things that used to be like ah no come on that's me and like be a nice guy you know what i mean regardless of what your beliefs are just fucking stop or are we going to be like yeah fuck this we're so mad that we're gonna be calming that yeah yeah yeah because now you have people on the right being like you can't

make jokes about this you can't make jokes about whatever terrible thing i don't like and it's like really like it's just like circling back and it's like let's just everyone take a breath yeah yeah like and i i understand information is hard and understanding what's going on is difficult so like the way i operate is if i don't understand something popping in chat jbt ask a question you know pop into grok ask the same question you get two answers you you find kind of like the balance and then you go ask someone that you think knows if you have a question about a religion about a culture about a people go ask them and then you'll realize like oh wow we're actually human beings and we agree on a lot of stuff and we're not actually all that

crazy and if you don't know then uh just maybe uh maybe listen oh that that would be a change shut the fuck up right like there's a lot of shit i don't know and i probably said a lot of stuff on here that i that might not even be completely factual but i'm operating in good faith and if i got something wrong that's you know that's my bad and like if i don't know i just I don't know. Yeah, you're putting out three episodes a week, some of them are three hours, like, you know, four. And Christos over there. Yeah. It's like a joker like. Yeah. But, you know. But finding people you think are operating good faith, I think is essential. Yes. And you're not going to get every line right. Or you're going to say something. And you're like, well, that was fucking dumb. Right. Afterwards, like it's part of being human. But I think there are a lot of people who do that now by a lot of people. I mean, a handful of people. relative to society online who make a living by doing that in 280 characters or less 40 times a day and I think they start to believe it after a while.

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. You heard that term the mask eats the face? Actually, no. It's a... I think about it a lot because it's like, I think people specifically online will kind of play characters, like you'd be on Twitter and you'd be like, okay, I'm doing this, like, outraged people, and you get clicks and da-da-da.

And after enough time, this mask ends up becoming you. You know what I mean? Like the mask literally eats the person that's wearing, and then the character becomes the person. Yeah. You know? Nobody cared who I was before I put on the mask. Exactly.

Dude, interstellar. Or whatever. God damn it. He's on the spaceship. I haven't seen it. I'm just assuming. I'm not familiar exactly with all the movies. I'm sorry.

Okay? I read books sometimes on Wikipedia. Oh, my God. Yeah, who does all the research? Christos? No, we actually... He says over here, like, I'm the brains. We have a bunch of people that are awesome.

We got my buddy Zach, my friend Sophia, my buddy Jesus, and, like, they'll pitch topics and ideas and, like, help help aggregate the research and we go through it and then you know pick some stuff read some jokes and slip some jokes in there but dude the jokes are fucking phenomenal i appreciate because your timing is so good with it like the little things i was seeing one recently i think i was watching the freemasons one and you're like christos do you want to talk you start to say something well and that wasn't an offer now that's become a running gag throughout the episode i mean where did they even start do you remember all right all right so look it's like it just tries to jump in all the time

just nonstop every pot I do. It's really annoying to me. Well, at least he's not on the other side of a fucking wall now. Yeah, exactly. Mark used to have this poor guy like there was like a wall separating me. You have to like yell through the walls

and he was in a little lair. It was in East Berlin. It was like fucking Harry Potter's like under... What was that thing called? The cupboard? Yeah, exactly. You're in a cupboard. It's under the stairs.

We're in this nice fucking studio in Kid Super. Yeah, we brought them inside finally. Yeah, Jesus. But no, that's a running guy we do every episode that increased us. I love the timing on it. I love the timing on it. But, you know, like, you're also, it's funny,

but you're talking about real things, including some, sometimes obviously you're covering one where you're like, all right, a lot of people are saying this one's not real, but here's what's reported on it. But then you're talking about other things, like the Freemasons that are like, no, but turn over a fucking dollar, bro.

This is 100% real. Well, that's the thing that I find interesting about conspiracy stuff, like, obviously being raised in the home that I was raised and I was like inoculated with this from a young age. But like, I was, I was faxed out. That was the only faxed out. God, actually, it was conspiracy shit.

But it's like, I think that by discrediting stuff and, like, writing it off, you just leave way more room for people to run with crazy narratives and bad actors that are trying to make money off you. And so I'm like, okay, let's just examine what's actually out here and why people believe this, right? Like, was America founded by Freemasons? You're like, just sort of, you know, like, a lot of high-ranking, like, founding fathers were a part of the Freemasons. Is it this evil, satanic cult trying to, like, you know, do child sacrifice?

I'm like, sure, there's bad actors in every society. but it seems like it was like a men's club where guys would share ideas. I'm like... Did you join? I wish. I wish, dude. I think I...

I actually went to the Freemasonic Temple in Boston and, like, walked around and toured it. It's kind of sick. It's like one of the oldest ones in the U.S. And I knew a guy that ended up buying the restaurant that was connected to it. And he was like, yeah, we have access. Do you want to go look?

And I was like, yeah. So we were like... Is it like a little tunnel? No, it was like just a bunch of different rooms. That's only in Brooklyn. Dave, you got something? I was going to say that the show that I brought to the Edinburgh Fringe in 2022, our theater was an old Freemasons's Temple. Oh, there's a bunch.

Yeah. A lot of them are defunct. Like, the Masonic in San Francisco is like a massive performing arts venue. It's like concerts and comedians. Like we performed there, like a bunch of, like it's just like a theater. Do you feel the ghosts in the walls? Yeah, exactly. Dude, you can hear George Washington talk to you.

Yeah. Fuck. The hell, dude, is Ben Franklin in here? Yeah, Ben Franklin was Masonic. Mm-hmm. bunch of them. But again, I don't subscribe to this idea that like it's a satanic cult doing death rituals to like children to like drink their blood, which like is part of, not, I don't even know if anyone even believes that, but like you just hear crazy stuff. I'm like, my assumption

is that it's a like an organized society based off of like Old Testament, like mystical schools, like, you know, King Solomon obviously is like one of the founding sort of like, I guess philosophical like ethoses that kind of fit into Freemasonry. But it's like this medieval like men's club were like philosophers and like new age kind of thinkers were meeting and talking and then it carried on this tradition it's kind of like a frat yeah is a way i see that's how that's how it always kind of felt but people run with it and they're like oh they're controlling the world at a point they did maybe at a point they did at some point yeah i don't i think now it's all the masons i've ever met are just like a bunch of old dudes and sit around and wear cool outfits

right they wear like the kilt they're little capes yeah yeah which people say is the the google mail logo you ever seen that the google mail logo is Masonic logo? Yeah, this is, again, maybe. I have no idea. And make it on the 33rd floor? Exactly, dude. Exactly.

And so I'm like... Hashtag blackstone. I'm like, maybe. Again, I'm not ever saying what it is or isn't. Oh, come on. This is what they wear. They wear like this sort of like red little apron thing. I would have bought scarlet letter more than that, but I don't know.

People would like, dude, this is literally Gmail. Gmail is Masonic mail. That's how they got Epstein. What it, what... It is. He's messaging from a Gmail. Like, dude, like, you... Use proton or something.

Like, use telegram. Like, what, in Gmail? Yeah, let's overthrow the fucking Ivory Coast via Gmail on the J-EVacation at gmail.com. What are you doing, dude? It's incredible. Have you emailed that email yet? We should. Just see if anyone's reading that.

We'll fire one off from Joey Deef. Dude, another great little, uh... The email is the last. It pulls him up. Yeah, I'm hearing about this Joey Deaf. Have you ever heard of it before? Yeah, he's going to be at Edinburgh fringe next year. That might be a good way to promote your dates.

I'm just saying. at the venue from 15 o'clock to 16 o'clock? Yeah, I might do that. I might just drop my tour dates in a need all the episode. Hope it gets released. And then people are like, wait, Mark's in here? Wait a second. He's going to be at Zanies in Chicago?

Gotta go see this guy. Oh, my God. But yeah, I'm like, there's all sorts of weird shit with that. The one that I think is really funny is, have you seen Maxwell Hill? Have you heard of this? People suspect that Galane Maxwell was a power broker on Reddit. Oh, I have seen this before.

Do you think that's real? There's a lot of weird shit with it. All right. What's the weird shit? Well, like, okay, a couple of things is that there's basically a Reddit account that is like a mod on like the top subreddits, like world news and like all the biggest ones that have millions of people that are getting their news every single day coming from Reddit. And there's like a bigger conspiracy that like, oh, intelligence and like different foreign operatives are a part of this like small community of people that control what you see. on Reddit. And this is like millions of people getting their information with a disordinally small group of anonymous editors that are like submitting links and getting

instantly approved and getting into the front page. That doesn't sound crazy. It's not. So that part is a little weird. And people suspect that, you know, well, people don't suspect that this, this is true, that there is an account called Maxwell Hill that was disseminating a ton of information across all of these different Reddit accounts, or all of these different subreddit, it's basically like promoting different ideas. And a lot of it was just, like regular news stuff, but people look at a lot of the comments and they say, oh, they're using a lot of like British colloquialisms, saying like bloody hell and like spelling color, like, oh, you are.

And so it's like a lot of like Britishisms. And then there's even like PLSE, which I need to double check. I think she's saying please, but normally when people, when normally when people will abbreviate please, they'll do PLS. She's doing it the British way PLSE. And if you look at the emails that she has corresponding with Jeffrey Epstein, there's a lot of the same words that are used not to mention that the day she was arrested the account never posted again you can fact check me on this please i'm pretty sure that's the case that is but like there's

posts every single day multiple times a day all the way up until the day she's arrested and then since the day she's arrested the account has been inactive you know what i think about with this whole case not just this one example but her name's galane maxwell and the account is called maxwell hill right that's what i'm saying it's like if i were and i don't know who this would be be or what the motives would be. I have my thoughts on who Epstein is and who we work for and all that. But it's he's obviously someone who, especially by the end of his life, had a very high profile. He was known to probably every functional intelligence agency around the world. If I were any type of foreign actor trying to create mass hysteria, confusion,

insert adjective here along those lines and I knew about cases like this I might do something like this I might you know have a little side gig for the fucking analyst over here hey you know use some British colloquialism

set up this account call it something really obvious too and then you know if she ever goes down we'll shut it down possible it's possible or it's exactly what it looks like and it's like that when you look at that that is zero to a hundred there's like no there's no middle those are complete opposite scenarios that's what makes it so confusing and sometimes it's like there are there are some conspiracies

that are so true and so fucking obvious and right in your face and you know it and it's not like if you brought it into a court of law if it were ever allowed to be in a fucking real court of law they'd be the jury wouldn't even go back to deliberate it there it's guilty yeah but if i were the people who were a part of those things or whose livelihood depended on you know things like that being shoved under the rug i would try to promote a massive campaign using the internet of course to try to get people to believe everything believe that the earth is flat believe that you know fucking you know the sun gods are coming down to do whatever the fuck would do an alien anal probe you insert it here so that all these the people who had the loudest voices would run with

everything such that I'm going to use round numbers here let's say they were screaming about 10 different conspiracies and one of them's Epstein it's 100% true everything they're saying is actually like bar for bar word for word true I could then discredit them by saying oh you're going to listen this guy look at the other shit he believes that's what I would do yeah yeah it's not crazy to me and like again if you're putting in a bunch of shit I mean like people will say like the term conspiracy theorists is like created by the government it's the whole yeah the CIA yeah so it's like potentially you'd like put in a bunch of good stuff with the bad stuff and by good i mean true and then bad false and you just kind of mix them up and then you can discredit people pretty easily which is

possible which is why i'm like just be extremely scrutinizing with everything you consume that's and that's why i'm like kind of averse to certainty i'm like i kind of leave everything as like yeah maybe like i don't really assume that i know anything unless i've like interacted or like seen something with my own eyes like i generally try to keep a little air of humility like yeah i don't really not good for you like more or less i hope i've done that today i'm like yeah maybe was crowley talking to an alien maybe right is epstein just asking questions here yeah just ask questions you know i think it's interesting i think it's worth examining but again i'm never going to say it is there it isn't but it is it possible at glay maxwell you know understood the power of media and the power

of controlling information and maybe she learned it from a newspaper magnet that you know shares her same name that happens to be her father that's connected with intelligence i mean it's possible But who knows? I don't claim to know. Okay. And if there is a good faith person that's running the Maxwell Hill account that I've completely besmirched, I apologize. Yeah, good preemptive apology.

Yeah, and this is all alleged, or just kind of makes stuff out. It's all legend. But, you know, just asking questions here from my end, not marrying you to anything. Sure. But what do you think Epstein was? I think connected to everything. I think he was just like a power broker that liked to conquer shit and also happen to be a pedophile.

You know what I mean? Like, and he was using all of this stuff connected. I wouldn't even surprise me if, like, he was, you know, sort of propped up because they knew that they had this, like, blackmail on him. Right. Like, hey, you're, you have this terrible, like, evil affliction where you try to abuse children and successfully do. And so as a result of your, you know, predilection

and this, like, evil thing that you do, we can now give you information because you're compromised off grip. And then you can do a lot of our bidding and dirty work can manage a lot of finance. We can use that. Exactly. So that wouldn't surprise me. And I think he's probably connected to everyone.

He's like making deals with whoever is going to get him more power. So if he's working with CIA, sure, if he's working with foreign intelligence, massage, MI6, I'm sure he's connected to everyone. I don't think that he has super strong nationalistic lines except for what makes Jeffrey Epstein more money and more power. Yeah, I could see how intelligence services over the years, of course, we're discovering, insert country here, whether it be the U.S., UK, wherever, we're discovering that this intelligence asset was running some of the sickest fucking twisted things right under their nose, and they

realized people in their own fucking government were now blackmailed by it. And so they knew there was a line on what they actually could do with them. And I personally, in my opinion, I don't have a lot of doubt that these organizations, be at MI6, be it CIA, you insert it here, you know, would have gone to a guy like that and said, it's like two people holding the gun to each Like, okay, you know that we know that you know that we know that we can't actually stop you from doing this because of what you know about what we know about what you know about what we know. Therefore, you're now paying a tax motherfucker. Yeah. So if we want some information, you're going to give it to us, you know, and you get to do your sadistic twisted shit.

Yeah. And they make literally the deal with the devil. Yeah. I could see that. And I think that's why a lot of these countries around the world don't want to talk about this because they may look at it and say, oh, you know, know he was like a massad guy or something like that but then we all got involved too yeah everyone's i think i don't think anyone's hands are clean like people try to pin it on one specific country everyone's like oh he's obviously connected with these people and like he was given a sweetheart

deal in the united states you know what i mean like he was operating generally with impunity in the united states but they're they're gonna say in the comments mark don't you know the jews run the world exactly i'm like look i think he's connected to anyone that's willing to cut him a deal I think the emails actually are making that case more than ever reading through this and seeing all the different countries he's like getting involved with the senior government and it's like what the fuck like sometimes countries you never fucking heard of yeah he's and you're like this guy is just you know yes he's running around with the hoo barak for sure and that's not great in every way and and yeah I think that's where it emanated from probably with Israel but he ends up yeah it becomes this whole thing yeah I again I generally I almost look at him like crowley in a way where I'm like you were willing to just do reconnaissance for whomever was going to just like cut you a deal yeah and I think he was like yeah eventually like everyone's got compromise like compromise on me I got compromise on them we're in a standoff yeah I asked we had Lawrence Kraus in here in 2023 or whatever and

you know he was a physicist who got his shit funded by Epstein he went to the island and everything and you're asking him about it he's like well physicists need money he was offering money and he was like legit friends with the guy and it's like you're always gonna anytime you meet someone that this guy touched your it was around you it's a bad word to use you know what i mean it was around there's always going to be that question like are you you know maybe maybe not but there is no doubt that he had a tremendous ability to obviously schmooze people who really were pedophiles or sick sadistic fuchs which there's no doubt that there is an uncomfortable number of people in positions of power, if you will, who are that. But he was also able to schmuse other

people who weren't. Yeah. And by doing that, associate them with the whole thing and make them dirtied forever. Yeah. And though, and I, your guess is as good as mine, which people are which, you know, there's some, I think we can see definitely only in one way. But like, you know, the ones who actually didn't do anything and just got besmirched by or whatever. Yeah. I feel a little bit bad for some of them. Some of them, it's like, you know, you're like, dude. Why were you still talking to him in 2014? Yeah, exactly.

You should have thought about this. You know he was convicted in 2004. Like, you shouldn't know. Yeah. But yeah, no, there's people going on the island in 1999. They're like, yeah, I didn't know. And maybe they're lying, maybe they're telling truth. Again, I don't know.

I don't know these people. So I'm just like going off word. But like, I wouldn't be surprised if this is an attempt to like, yeah, get everyone wrapped up with him. Yep. And then everyone's a little dirty. And then everyone shuts the fuck up. That's right.

And we can keep on, like, funding this coup in this country and sending weapons of this country. And I think the financial dealings are in a way, like, almost dirtier. Like, obviously, like, his sex trafficking operation is, like, the most vile thing you can do on Q and Earth. But it's like the financial operations implicates way more people.

You know what I mean? Like, let's say a couple hundred people were going to this island to do, you know, like criminal sexual activity. It's like, oh, well, how many hundreds of thousands are... He funded a civil war that killed 100,000 people. How many people are implicated in the financial crimes that he was basically operating as like a, you know, almost like a financial black site where it's like, hey, some money here, funds, people here. I think they, I think a lot of people benefited from everyone being wrapped up and dirty in this web.

I think you're right. And the fact that, yeah, every government is run by pedophiles. My mom's right. Mrs. Gagnon was on to it. She was an early adopter, as he will. Exactly. She bought the iPhone one on the pedophile government thing. but you know I had Mike Yagley sitting in that seat a couple times and it was funny because at the end of the first episode we did we record the whole thing and basically he's a data expert who can go through data and figure out what people are doing and where they are like as a publicly accessible spying tool and so he runs through his whole history with this and how he brought it to the government going you guys got a fucking problem and then at the end of our first conversation he's like yeah we didn't even get to Epstein today I'm like what

He's like, oh, yeah, I was tracking people of the island. I'm like, damn it, you say that at the beginning of the episode, not the end. So I brought him back that we did 343. I brought him back right away. We did 351. And he went through that whole thing. When the Epstein story came out like really mainstream in 2019, he's like, oh, I can go by data from 2015, 2016, 2016, 2017, right in there. And long after he was convicted and see who's down there.

And he's like, he's got it down to the names of the bartenders who were there standing across from Bill Gates while he's on the island. and he's and and and I said obviously you're very connected with the government now because you had undercover you basically over a decade ago he had uncovered all this shit about some of their missions being publicly available clandestine missions anyone could fucking get it from their bedroom if they tried and I'm like what they do with this information he said no one ever called about it and you could tell like Mike Yagley looks like he's about to have a brain aneurism at all times that he's talking but you could tell like that vein in his forehead was just like yeah article whoa and you're just like of course they didn't you got to wonder why they didn't like yeah we know yeah and there's probably other people doing similar shit and maybe it's not to this scale or maybe it's not this exact pathway but it's like yeah there's this guy that's cheating on his wife and uh he's being used as a tool for this operation there's this dude who's secretly gay and living in a country it's illegal and he's doing this thing you're you're not going to give someone power and information without having some type of, some type of rope on it, you know?

That's the great, I don't want to call it a hypocrisy, but that's a great oversight. I think people who really look at this case have. It's like the thing about Epstein is that he was so overt about it and he got cocky. Yeah. And just he liked being seen. Right. And that did him in. That's he did himself in. He went from being a very effective spy, if you will, to being a very bad spy. Because the number one thing about a spy is that any of these guys will tell you, you don't want to be noticed. Yeah. And he learned how to get notice and like getting notice. And it's like that makes it extra in your face. And then the scale of people that we now know he was attached to, the names, it's just like in your fucking face. to say though that that doesn't happen at a way more uncomfortable scale than we think across intelligence agencies around the world and here would be naive in my opinion yeah but it goes against the american ethos we're the good guys yeah we're supposed to we don't do anything wrong but that's the thing mark you have an organization of tens of thousands of people and it's compartmentalized all you need is five people to be in on something that other people don't have reading on they talk about it

the skiff and they run a mission and they say you think all these people can keep a secret some people still believe in santa right bringing it all the way back dude some people believe it way too long do you think the freemasons invented santa as like a sci-up on society oh that's far let's think about it let's think about it i thought about that in the amazon reading my back we didn't even talk about that i wanted to get a whole deep dive on your on your amazon experience we'll do that in another episode i can't wait but uh santa I mean, I'm pretty sure Santa came out of like, this is like Dutch, like Santa culture or something.

I heard they made them red because of Coca-Cola. I don't know if you ever heard that. No. Yeah, some people, some people- I don't even want to Google that. Some people think he's red because there was like a mushroom that people used to take during the pagan holiday that fell on the winter solstice.

Exactly. Use my link, JD-22. He's sponsored. That's right. But it's like the red and white mushroom that people would take. But, uh, no, Santa's probably, and not Freemasons, but maybe. What is the history?

Like, when did the Freemasons begin? The technical beginning is medieval. I think it's like 1,300, 14-9. And they literally started as like stone masons because they wanted to, like, build shit after the plague, is that right? It was like a guild basically of like stone masons that were like smart, coming together,

form in a union, and then it kind of got imbued with like mystical elements that harkened back to the second temple period of ancient Israel. where King Solomon basically built, you know, the temple for the Jews. That was then destroyed by, the second one was by the Babylonians. And so Hiram Abiff was this, this is not in the Torah or anything, but this is like alleged through like Jewish folklore that Hiram Abiff was a Phoenician architect. And the Phoenicians of the time were the ones that were building all the cool shit in the area.

So they bring in this Phoenician architect that's able to build the second temple and his name is Hiram Abiff. And in Freemasonic lore, Heimabif is like the master builder, the master mason that has all of this unknown knowledge that's able to know how to build these amazing structures. There's also an element where like some people believe that King Solomon used demons to build temples that he was given a ring that was from like one of the archangels that basically was able to control the spirit world and that was part of how they built it. This is again folklore. And the masons like when the Freemasons were actually developed in like medieval Europe, It was hearkening back to this period, but technically the actual formation is like around the medieval times. And then American Freemasonry comes out of like Scottish Rite Freemasonry that is kind of like a reinterpretation of old European masons, but it was developed by Albert Pike, who was a former Confederate general that ends up being relieved of his duties as a Confederate general and then develops. A Confederate general?

Yeah, not a United States. No, this is during Civil War. Oh, it's during Civil War. Yeah, that Scottish Right Freemasonry comes out of. Albert Pike's handbook. Oh, I thought you, I'm thinking like pre-revolution, so the timeline's off. Okay. Yeah, like Freemasonry seems like it really develops in America around Civil War time from Albert

Pike. But it was very existent pre-revolution. The old guard and it kind of like lost some of its allure because it went to public, da-da-da. So people were trying to like, they got ostracized. A lot of people left because there was like a bunch of scandals that happened. And then Scottish-Rite Freemasonry kind of like re-birthed it in America. What were the scandals? I'm trying to remember exactly.

there was specific scandals where like one of the lodges went very public and they were like no the whole thing is that we're supposed to be underground so they went very public and then there was another scandal i forget what it was there was one that like kind of did them in i can't remember specifically but it was like some type of death or like there was a cover-up oh there was william morgan disappearance 1826 william morgan yeah yeah so this was one of the ones in america that basically this guy was associated with the masons and then there was like a big clash with like the religious elite the mason because they always hated each other. And then he ends up disappearing and no one ever finds out where he's from or where he went or anything like that. And they're like, oh, the masons killed him. And then it became a whole scandal that really affected like the philosophy

and the idea around Freemasons in America. And then Albert Pike writes his book that basically becomes the handbook for Scottish Rite Freemasonry. Can we Google this, Steve? How many U.S. presidents are confirmed Masons? I'm trying to remember. I think it was like 13.

That's going to be my number. I'm going to go with 13. What do you think? I know there were 13 Declaration of Independence signers. Ooh. Or constitutional signers. 15. 15, including Lyndon B. Johnson, who took only the first degree.

So it wasn't. They barely. Yeah, I barely. The most recent one to have undisputed membership, undisputed. It says Gerald Ford, but does that mean it was like disputed that Ronald Reagan or Bill Clinton or Mason? I guess that's the idea. It's like, oh, they're connected to it in some way. There's other presidents that were in, but they weren't.

isn't shack a mason possibly there's a prince hall free masonry like he talks about it prince hall free masonry is basically like the black rebirth of masons in america where can we rule that they didn't yeah i don't want to get that wrong if i'm wrong it might be true i don't know i love shack by the way well i don't care what that's a really interesting a lot of the masons that i met in florida were all black dudes and they came through prince hall freemasonry yeah he was yes shekeel o'neal is a freemason he was initiated into the prince hall freemasonry Freemasonry at the Widows Sons Lodge number 28 in Boston, Massachusetts, and was granted the rare honor

of being made a master Mason at sight. Yeah, I get it. I get it, dude. You see Shaqwalk in a room. You're like, yeah, that guy's, that guy's the chief, whatever. Make that guy the head. Make him the president, dude, I've ever seen. But yeah, like, Prince Hall for Mason was basically like,

again, it's contested within, like, Mason circles, which is why I'm like, did they run the world? like they're having set beefs, you know what I mean? Like, they have sectarian, like, disputes. Because Prince Hall of Freemasonry was basically like, yeah, we're gonna let black people become masons. Yeah. And it became like a whole contingent of like,

part of like the civil rights movement where like you had a lot of like black dudes basically gathering together in these Masonic halls like, hey, we should have rights. And they were like, yeah. And so they were, it gave like a meeting place for a lot of like early civil rights stuff. It was coming out of Prince Hall for Mason.

So that's why I feel like it's just a frat. I mean, in the, yeah, in the modern day, feels that way but like there's no doubt that there was some influence for sure i mean you look at this country and regardless of the sect that you're more familiar with that than i am but like in general obviously you know whether it be george washington or ben franklin or some of these guys like they were strong freemasons throughout their life but isn't there also isn't there some evidence that they have some like attachment to the vatican and to like some of the organized religions too? Yeah, I'm actually not as versed on this. I try to keep the Vatican's name

completely clean and pure as a Catholic, which they've never done anything right. Oh, you're still Catholic. Yeah, yeah, the Vatican is completely fine and is good. But I mean, the Vatican and, I mean, Catholics and Freemasons have basically gone at each other forever. And that the Catholic Church is like, hey, we're the hegemon of Europe. Like, we control everything. Like, we, we, you know, like, they are massive political players, specifically in this time in Europe and the masons are in a way usurping that and so the pope's like yeah we got to get rid these masons that's like the political side of it there's like a more ideological side that's like the masons are operating without god and we're with god and that ideologically these people are

going against the will of god right but as far as like a direct connection i don't know exactly i'm sure there's probably people that are connected like popes that were like allegedly mason stuff but what i don't know can we google what what do freemasons traditionally believe about God. I want to make sure I get this right. I've read about this before. But it's like, all right, so free masons are traditionally required to believe in a supreme being referred to as the grand architect of the universe, but the specific nature of this deity is left to the individual mason's personal beliefs and religion. Freemasonry is not a religion itself and does not promote one specific faith, but rather requires members to have a spiritual foundation. Yeah. So, I remember like the church didn't like that yeah i just like no you listen to us yeah they're like you got to read the christian catholic bible right but i think it was in walter isaacson's biography of ben franklin where like he talked about ben franklin's view on like they're being one supreme creator but he never ascribed to like a religion itself and it was there were like some masonic

undertones there so i think ben frank was a deist so this idea of like the watchmaker that basically like God put the world in motion, but is not active in the day-to-day, you know, happenings of humans on Earth. I mean, we got to do that. Basically, yeah, we are sort of on our own. Like, God invented everything, like put all motion into the universe, but then he kind of takes a step back, which kind of goes against typical Christian orthodoxy, like, no, God is alive and present and doing things in the day-to-day.

And so deism, I think, comes out of some Masonic ideals, which might be some of the connection. Not to mention, Ben Franklin was like a part of a bunch of other secret societies. Yeah. Hellfire Club and London. It was just like, which is again why I'm like, yeah, you just go to these groups where like philosophers and economists and smart people of the day are gathering. And fuck like porn stars. Do whatever you want. Yeah.

There's a lot of that going on. Yeah, exactly. I know he liked that fucking commission to France during the revolution. He's like, fuck yeah, send me by land, by boat, whatever the fuck I'll get on. No one knows what I'm doing. I'm just in Paris alone. Negotiating fucking war deals. and getting some land.

Getting some poo tank. Something like that. Exactly. No, it's, what was I, is there any historical, maybe not even historical tie, but like mythological tie between Freemasons and like the Templars? Because we're talking a similar-ish time period. I'd be curious, I don't know if there's a direct connection,

but I do know that like the Templars were almost operating in a similar way. Well, actually, the way I just said that is a little prophetic. The connection between Freemasons and the Knights Templar is based on myth and legend, not historical fact. The modern Masonic Templar orders were created in the 18th century to provide a more romantic Christian-themed mythology for Freemasonry. But there is no evidence the original medieval Knights Templar survived and merged with Freemasonry. Not according to Dan Brown. This supposed link was popularized in the 18th century by figures like, Chevalier Ramsey and is used to add a layer of historical depth and symbolism to certain

Masonic degrees not to claim a direct historical image. Well, there you have it. Yeah, I mean, I think the Nazis in ways were like pulling from the Templars. Like the Templars like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, don't do that. Yeah, no, there's like flags and like symbolism of like, I mean, old Hiddy was grabbing from everyone. He was taking a little thing from Hinduism, take a little thing from the Templars. But it's like, yeah, everyone I think sort of like romanticized like this because the templars like mythologically are romantic where it's like yeah these guys were a group of Christian warriors that defended Europe during the crusades like this is a militia force that was standing with God yeah and that's kind of how everyone every different faction of the

world sees themselves like the Nazis were like yes we're doing God's will yeah they all think you know what I mean so it's like that same thing and I think people just take from the Templars to be like yes we're going to do God's will and defend our people which as you can see a lot of Neo-Nazis are like, oh, yeah, we're going to defend Europe. Like, yeah, that sounds nice. And so I think a lot of people have romanticized the Templars and they also had good imagery. Yeah. All those flags and stuff.

They did. The flags were kind of fire. So I think everyone was... The Templars. Yeah. Gotta be careful here. Don't clip now. Don't clip it.

Let's not take that the next step. It's, no, it's very fascinating. Like, I'd love to be a fly on the wall in the brain of some of the people at the helm of, like, the most evil society. or governments or movements ever created just to see like how they mentally do the gymnastics to truly believe that they're Jesus. Like they're the good guy.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they're actually like doing great for humanity. Like they actually convince themselves. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It probably comes out of like trauma to an extent. Like I think people are like so aggrieved by whatever the circumstances are. And then they hear a very like simple explanation

that justifies everything. It's like, oh, if we go to war with these people, if we kick out these people, if we generally, genocide these people, then everything will be fixed. That's the only thing standing in our way. And they're like, yeah, let's just do it. And I think you can literally take that same, it all comes from that base level of like,

there are real problems that are affecting us. And our women are dying, our children are dying. Like, we need to do something. And then you just get a slick little thread that can tie everyone up and they're like, yeah, yeah, in-group out group. AKA Twitter. Exactly.

What are you trying to do with Camp Mark? It's fucking growing like crazy. You've been doing an amazing. job for a long time. You're hundreds of episodes in. Yeah. You're obviously very fascinated in the different subject matters that you dig into. You seem like you're a kid in Toys R Us about it as a compliment. Exactly. That's how I feel. Where are you trying to go with this? Honestly, I just want to grow. Like, that's like the only thing. Like, if I can just get more people to join the camp and, like, be a part of it, like, that's the only thing. But I'll be honest,

like, maybe I need, I need, like, a more like Alexander the Great mentality. because Concola. Exactly. Because part of me is like, I'm pretty happy with it. I'm stuck.

Like, I get to show up every day and like read awesome stuff and like research cool shit that like I've always wanted

to look into but I never had the time for and now I can do it and do it with a bunch of other people and like after shows people come up to and be like,

dude, that episode on on Vishnu was crazy. Like, fuck yeah. Dude, that episode on Napoleon

blew my mind. I had a hard ass blunt to that. Dude, that thing you did on remote view it was insane. Like,

to me I'm like that is so cool that I'm becoming less dumb. Like, and then I can help someone else also be a little bit less dumb. Like, that's the greatest thing ever. So to me, it's like, I love religion. I get to explore every different type of religion. Like, everything you can imagine, any type of religious philosophy, I get to actually understand it in like a real way that's not like agendized with like America first or some

other bullshit that, like, makes it bad. I'm like, okay, what did they actually feel about this? And then having the comments verify that, be like, dude, I'm Hindu and you nailed this. I'm like, oh, sick. And then, like, the history shit is like, okay, what's everything that's happened? A lot of shit's been going on. I only got here in the 90s. There's, you know, potentially thousands of years before me that I got to figure out.

So I get to go through all that shit. And then I get to talk to cool people that know way more than me. Like, it's the greatest thing in the world. Like, I mean, you know how it is. Like, there's no greater joy. Fun job. Right? To get paid to, like, talk to cool people.

I mean, like, what a gift. Like, I also got the coolest studio in the game. Oh, thank you. I appreciate that. I mean, the lighting in here is pretty nice, but... Yeah, we're working on it, but it's not a tree house. Yeah, that's true. That's true.

You got to go into Mark Studios sometime if you ever get a chance out there. People don't break in. Yeah, please don't break in. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's hard to get to. You got to go through, like, Cone, a lot of security. Yeah, exactly. Bridges, tunnels, the whole deal.

Yeah, he's just got like an AK next to him at all time. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we got Navy Seals, we got the whole squad. That's right, Delta Force. But it's like, I get to talk to people all day. And I would do this for free. Like, I would legit do it for free. And the fact that there's other people that can get on board and, like, be a part of this mission of being less stupid, learning more about people and cultures and countries and everything, it's like, yeah, there's nothing better. Well, I think it's also cool because you get your own lane as well, you know, like, you obviously have come up with Andrew and have done flagrant for a long time. And, like, people know you through that. But now they also get to know you, like, in your own interests as well. Yeah, yeah. And it's really, and it's great that, like, Andrew has supported that along the way.

Oh, 100%. I think the shows really compliment each other because it's like, all right, guys, we're gonna do like a fun deep dive on like a historical thing, a religious thing, a military thing, a whatever. And then on Flagrin, it's like,

we're just gonna do hot takes of the day. What's happening right now and how can we call each other gay? It's like, what is the most unique and clever way I can call you gay? It's like, it's perfect. And the two things like, they fit so well and then you can watch a new one every day.

Fuck yeah. All right, Camp Gagnon. Yes, sir. We will collab this so you can literally just click below. and you'll see the name right there. Go subscribe to Religion Camp as well. History Camp, all that. There's the list of channels on Mark's channel

when you go to the landing page. So it's got all different content. It's great shit. And you can catch Mark on Flagrant as well. And you can catch them on the road. Yes, please do. We've got a bunch of dates coming up. You can check out Mark Gagnon live.

Come see me. Do some stand-up comedy. Excellent. Always fun. Thank you, brother. Thanks for coming. I appreciate it. All right.

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