Julian Dorey Podcast - #375 - Julian EXPLODES: CIA-backed Cartels, Paid Sell-Outs, China & Direct Energy Weapons | Jorge Ventura

Episode Date: January 19, 2026

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And we do nothing about that. I don't give a where he's from. It's unacceptable. And if you like it so much, go move there. Thank you, dude. Go f***ing move there. Preach, bro.

I'm done. This is my guy. I don't give a what country it is. This is exactly what Julian's hitting on is these guys, bro, they dance to any tune. These guys right here, Julian, accepting money. Put on a, this is the thing as a journalist. They put on a bulletproof ass in a helmet.

Like, they were in danger. Play this for Julian. Please. What's up, guys? Three quick things. Number one, if you're not already subscribed, please hit that subscribe button. It is a huge, huge help. Thank you to everyone who's been subscribing every week.

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So congratulations to that. Thank you, sir. Yes. Certified Thorta Pounder. You want to explain what that is to people? I think they know. If you know, you know, if you're California, you definitely know. You love some tortas around here. Hopefully the audience, bro, we got some Thorta Pounders watching.

But how you been, bro? It feels so good to be back. Dude, it is great to have you back. It's great to have Jorge Ventura 2.0 back. Jorge Ventura on his own now. As well, what's the move here, bro? We left News Nation. Yeah, so finally, man, fully independent.

Yeah, last time I was on, I was technically a national correspondent with News Nation before that Daily Caller. So, Ben always kind of in that media game from the Daily Caller, Raw, Digital to broadcast TV. But this is the first time in my life, man. I'm going fully independent. just launched the YouTube channel, Ventura Reports.

I'm going to be posting about a week or two the very first video. And just super excited, man. I'm 30 years old. Media is changing, as you know, man. And I kind of wanted to return back to my filter, like that unraw filter on that ground reporting. Super powerful.

I think if you follow my work, we always try to tell the story through the video. So you're not getting my spin. You're not getting my commentary. And I think people really enjoy that story telling it. And you know, I'm proud of it. I'm like one of the very few reporters where I got independents that follow me. I got Republicans that follow me. I got Democrats that follow me. I got people who maybe just started to get into politics that follow me. So just excited for

this new era of that. Well, I'm excited for you. I'm also, we, you know, we had a chance to talk off camera this morning and really go through what your mindset was with this. But I'm really excited you just made the jump too and said, fuck it. You said it, not me. And, and I'm glad you did because it's 100% right. There is never a right time to do the right thing. And this has always been the right thing for you. Obviously, I'm really glad News Nation put you on as well. I've dealt with the guys over there.

They're great. But for what you do, you are meant to be on your own because you are what I call like a dynamic range journalist. You do everything. Yes, you certainly have an unbelievable specialty in South America and the cartels and obviously what's happening at the board. because, you know, you speak the language as well. You understand it. But you cover stories all over the world.

You cover stories that are completely different from that side of things. And I think now what you'll find is that the freedom just to be able to go after the things you want to without the fucking, no disrespect, but like the corporate bullshit of like, can I go do this one? Now you can just go fucking do it. It's going to be great, man. Yeah, I'm ready to just be, you know, running gun. And I think that's what the audience wants. The audience could read through it too. And they know when you're kind of being like a fake TV journalist

and not telling the full story. And we're, I mean, dude, the New Year just started. And we just have like an endless of stories that just kind of really hit out the box. Bang, bang, bang. So excited to get back on the ground, man. And just was in South Florida for a few days. We were interviewing a bunch of Venezuelans after Maduro was Alsace. So that was kind of exciting to kind of hear from them.

What were they saying? The interesting thing for them and it's, is particularly for Venezuelan community, is interesting because the Trump administration is really targeting them for the deportation operation. They're already announcing they want to terminate TPS. So in the midst of that, it's kind of been a kind of this weird time for South Florida because like they're very super conservative out there, very people could say based online. It's how they would describe them. You know, you got folks that escape like communism from Cuba and Venezuela. So they have a unique perspective. But everyone that we spoke to in Venezuela, I mean in South Florida,

who are Venezuelans were like ecstatic. I mean, some people even started almost having like tears in their eyes crying. I was actually got to spend some time with the UFC fighter. Name is Alberto Montes. He's from Venezuela. Just actually won Dana White's contender series last year. So he's about to have his debut in the UFC. But like one thing that he told me, he's 31 right now.

Like he hasn't seen his mom since he was like 22 years old. So he left Caracas, literally 22 with like, I mean, he has like 1% chance obviously to make it in the UFC. and in the U.S., and he basically promised his mom, like, mom, I'm going to make it. I'm going to get you out of here. Literally moves to South Florida. I mean, he makes it. And so when I talk to him, and it's like the first time, maybe in the decade that he has like this small glimmer hope that he can maybe see his mom again.

You know, we'll see if it gets to that moment. There's still so much uncertainty in Venezuela right now. Delci Rodriguez, who was a VP under Maduro, is now the president with Cabellio. So there's still, the regime is still there. So one thing that he even mentioned to me was his parents still can't celebrate. They can't be out on the streets. They're monitoring all their text messages so they could be basically thrown in jail at any time. He says his mom was like kind of like a super critical of the Maduro regime.

So she was kind of targeted. So a lot of people I think like for me, man, it's important to tell that story. Because like those Latino stories don't normally get broadcasted on TV. And what you will get is the white liberal who was like super upset with a story. Starbucks coffee in their hand that like Maduro got kidnapped and that's illegal. And like at the end of day, you could feel, you know, we could have their different opinions. But you always want to get like just a raw story from like actual Venezuelans on the ground. So I thought Alberto's story was like just super powerful.

And the interesting thing is we interviewed a bunch of Cubans. Don't talk over the mic if you don't mind. Yeah, yeah. Keep in the way. And I interviewed a bunch of Cubans. And then like Cubans also are like identified with the Venezuelans struggle. So for a long time, I think for Cubans now also feel like they have a little bit of hope of something happened over there. So just interesting kind of time and kind of talking to the people in South Florida.

Yeah, I don't, one thing I don't want to get lost in this that I feel like after I had in Daniel D. Martino literally like the night of, like the invasion happened in the morning. We recorded the night of, put out the podcast on Monday, which I really appreciate Daniel doing that. You know, there were people immediately forming sides on this thing. And I think some people misunderstood like how I want to look at this, which is there's two completely separate issues before you even quote unquote pick aside, which I don't even think you should do yet, but that's another point. It's like there's Venezuela and then there's the U.S. involvement. In Venezuela, to me, no disrespect, there's no like pro-Moduro argument that is sound.

Okay. The guy's a scumbag. He's a dictator. He's a communist. They've lived under that regime for 25 years when you go back to Chavez. And like, I am very happy for the opportunity that the Venezuelan people may now have from this. We got to see how it plays out. But But like, if you ask me just like without any details on how it would happen, like, hey, on Friday, Maduro is going to be there. On Saturday, it's not. Is this good or bad? I'd be like, yeah, it's good. Like, gives the people a shot to reopen their economy.

The issue is, the argument here instead is, should America get involved in regime change of a foreign country, even if we know the leadership is evil versus letting the people slowly rise up as difficult? that's very difficult to do. I don't want to make that sound easy, but letting the people slowly rise up and do it themselves, which they had not been able to do yet. You know, so to me, I don't know what your thoughts are here, but like, I'm not going to have an opinion on whether or not we should have done this in all likelihood for a very long time because I got to see all the third and fourth effect play out. We also don't know if Delci Rarigis is going to be worse than rules with an iron fist. I don't know this for sure, but it does seem like Delci Rar Rarigas was working with the United States CIA and Alcian Maduro because CIA was on the ground in Venezuela as of April and then

infiltrated the inner circle. And for Deli, it did seem like she knew about the operation. Obviously, on camera, she's going to play very tough to her Venezuelan supporters and say Maduro is the only president. He was kidnapped. We demand his return. But Delci Roregis has been gunning to be the president of Venezuela for years. I mean, she's very savvy. She's a lawyer. She works the system very well with her brother Jorge Rodriguez. So she might actually be a more savvy Maduro. What's interesting is like today on true social, Trump put out a thing like, hey, I just had a great call with Delcy. Everything's going to go great. We're going to work great on investment. So it looks like she's not going to it anywhere. And then the funny kind of funny little

angletist, then you have Maria Machado who was gunning for that position. But because she took the Nobel Priest Prize and didn't like not accept it and give it to Trump, Trump, is like being super petty and what just is not giving her any time of the day. I know she's going to go up to Washington. I mean, I don't know what she thinks she's going to accomplish with Trump, but it doesn't seem at this moment that Delis Rodriguez is going anywhere. I'm with you where let's wait another year how this plays out. Anytime we kind of have these moments, if you kind of just look at the news history of it, it's always super popular when a president does this. It's like a little rally around the flag, but then in six months, it could be a lot worse. You know, like Libya was popular

when we overthrew. A lot of these customers. That's right. Right. So let's wait for the for the cool story but i just kind of wanted to get to get a pulse on how americans were feeling um i think like one of the one of the the kind of best parts of this story was that would really kind of uh sent like put the nail on the head or nail on the coffin for maduro was that he just kept dancing and and and trolling trump and uh marco rubio and they're like all right we're coming out he kept doing the whole no war no peace like maduro he's doing the john lennon stuff too oh my god so imagine all the people It's in there right there. Yep.

Yeah. So we got, this is from Donald Trump today. This morning I had a very good call with the interim president of Venezuela, Delsi Rodriguez. We are making tremendous progress as we help Venezuela stabilize and recover.

Many topics were discussed, including oil, minerals, trade, and of course, national security. This partnership between the United States of America and Venezuela will be a spectacular one for all. Venezuela will soon be great and prosperous again, perhaps more so than ever before. Now, to me, Julian,

that true social post sounds like, it sounds like Delce Rarigas cooperated with the CIA and is willing to work with the United States she probably knows her own circles probably already

infiltrated by the CIA and she's gonna play ball as long as she could be president that's what I was gonna ask you you said that you had heard they no it's confirmed

CIA hit the ground in Venezuela in April and all right my only question of that would be they weren't there a long time before no yeah

come on who hit the ground like the fucking no the only reason We only know because of April is because the CIA leaked it to the media. That's real unbelievable. When I was in News Nation, I started to, I was covering the military buildup. So kind of like the whole Amarada that's set up in the Caribbean.

And I kept kind of reporting like that Maduro with this military buildup, he should be finding like an out. He should have been like with China or Russia, he should have reached some type of agreement. I mean, I don't know how it looks like where he could have found some type of exile or asylum in either Russia or. or China. Yeah. As soon as he saw that military build up, he should already knew his days were numbered. I was speaking with some folks in DC, like before the new year, we thought like in the first six months Maduro was going to be ousted.

I didn't think like in the literally the first week of January. But once he saw that military build up, he's like, what do you think Trump was going to, you think Trump was, all those boats were just going to sell away? All those Marines were going to go away. I mean, Pete Hex said was flying to Puerto Rico. Speaking to Marines, they were posting on social media wasn't a secret. And Hex said was telling the Marines, this is real world. This is not a training.

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the great political philosopher kurt metzger in here back in october and he uh he was like oh yeah we're going to war with then as well and look like he was 100% right but to your point they were they were they were making the the fucking armaments known for a while and my my my issue that I don't like that is annoying to me is how they went out of their way for months and months and months to market it as a drug thing. I know Venezuela is moving drugs, like some bad forces there were moving drugs. I know some of those drugs are ending up in America. Compared to Mexico, we're talking about three baggies in a fucking eight ball. Right. All right. They're sitting on the biggest oil reserves in the history of the world. Just, you know,

And that's one thing I'll say about Trump since the actual invasion. He was like, you know, they got a lot of oil. Like, at least he's being honest after the fact. I will give him that. But, you know, that whole like, oh, look, we blew up another Venezuelan drugbo. Yeah, what about the fucking 75 drugboats that just landed in San Diego from Tijuana? Like, are we blowing them up too? Aren't they a terrorist organization?

They kind of also fabricate. I know, Joey, we could pull it up. They fabricated the whole carto to the Carto de los Solis. Like the DOJ has basically like, oh yeah, that wasn't really like a Carto. It was more about the culture of the government. So Carto de Losolas was completely made up. And I remember when I started when, you know, I started reporting that to people who aren't familiar. Yeah, yeah.

So about a year ago, the Trump administration, this is all just so folks know, this is really the Marco Rubio playbook. I mean, obviously Trump's the president. He's the face. But Marco Rubio can't convince Trump to invade Venezuela just to invade and get oil. So Marco has to basically convince Trump to hit Venezuela from another way. And the way they could do that is the drugs and Maduro's a trafficking narco terrorists and all that. I'm not saying Maduro, he probably knew some shady things were going on. But he's not the head of this Carto de Los Solas.

And he's like an El Chapo character. But what they kind of did is they fabricated, they kind of made up Carto de los Solis. So it sounds sexy. And then the other kind of key is then by declaring Carto de Los Solas a foreign terrorist organization. So by doing that, when I'm speaking with DC Insiders, it gives Trump the ability to the out bypass Congress and then just attack them, bro, like the same way if they were targeting al-Qaeda. The same way that you look at, like who Don Hussein is basically where Maduro is at. So they fabricated that, declared a foreign terrorist organization so then they could start doing the bombing. And then they could start putting the pieces to essentially capture Maduro.

They put a $50 million bounty on his head hoping that someone in his inner circle would probably start to reveal his whereabouts, which the CIA. probably started to crack. And all of a sudden, bro, now that he's getting charged, it's literally, like, completely made up. Like, and the DOJ's telling you that. Can you actually, so Defe just pulled something up and I'll read this, but Defe also, this was quiet. I was texting our mutual friend Brian Enton about this

because he was at the courthouse covering those hearings. The DOJ very quietly removed the cartel organization part of the indictment. And just, and I forget maybe we can find the language, Defe, but it basically said like, oh, yeah, He was just around some stuff. Like, legally, it makes no sense. It's like, a jury's going to be like, so you don't have evidence. See, there.

They are. Trump's DOJ quietly changes crucial detail in charges against Maduro. Let's go down here. All right, the New York Times reported Monday that the failing New York Times reported Monday that the new indictment of Maduro and others on charges related to drug trafficking omitted a crucial element of original charges, the criminal organization that Maduro supposedly ran, cartel de los soles. The original indictment filed against Maduro in March 2020 in the Southern District of New York described the cartel de los Soles as drug trafficking organization comprised of

of high-ranking officials that operated between 99 and 2020. This was, by the way, they did this like two weeks into COVID. Oh, that's right. Yeah. Very interesting. But under the leadership of Maduro, Moros and others, the cartel de los Soles sought not only to enrich its members and enhance their power, but also to flood the United States with the United States. cocaine, the indictment said. And a lot of clubs in New York thank them for that, apparently. But apparently, cartel de los Soles isn't a real organization at all. It's a slang term invented by the Venezuelan media to describe corruption according to the Times. The supposed cartel's inclusion in the original indictment would be as if someone tried Trump for leading Trump world

as a criminal organization. So the new indictment, this is what I want to get to, because this is beyond like whatever the New York Times is trying to take away from it. The new indict, the original indictment mentions the cartel 32 times while the new one only mentions it twice, this time describing cartel de losolese as a patronage system run by those at the top. The new indictment adds to the original by including additional charges of narco-terrorism, conspiracy to import cocaine and gun charges as well as charges against Maduro's wife for allegedly accepting bribes to broker trafficking meetings. There was a tweet. I hope someone in the comments maybe can find it and link it. It's because you can't search for it, thief, because it was like a, it was a screenshot.

I can't give you something to search. But it actually had the language from the indictment where it then showed what the new language is. And it's gibberish. It describes it like a culture of the government. But that right there, ladies and gentlemen, is 101 Marco Rubio playbook, executed perfectly. Michael Rubio right now is they have now their eyes on Nicaro and Cuba. Mexico is on the list. I don't know if we can find the report today, Joy, but I know that it said it was reported

today. U.S. is pressuring Mexico to allow special commander CIA operations in Mexico. U.S. started flying CIA drones as of last year. Oh, as of last year? As of last year. We know in the public because that's what they're leaking. But in my kind of prediction, we'll see U.S. troops on the ground in the end of this year in Mexico in some type of capacity. It might not look. G.I. Joe and they're flying down kind of what we saw in Maduro might look a little bit different because I think the Cina-Lua cartel and Cartelahelis, I think they pose a lot different challenges

for the United States government. So could it look like drone bombings? Could it, you know, I could see a situation where like they bombed, you know, a couple of these cartel spots, Trump calls on TV and says, don't worry about it no more. But I think Shine bomb right now is getting put in a real, real bad corner because the thing is you're not just dealing with Trump.

You're dealing with, like I want people to really know is Marco Rubio, no matter what you think of him as a statesman, is a genius. He right now, I mean, he got negotiations with Israel, Ukraine, Russia. He just ran a successful Venezuela operation. He's got Cuba on his radar. Nikarawa's next. They're pressuring, Shinebov.

Like, Marco Rubio is flooding the zone and gunning. And if I'm Marco Rubio personally, I go up to J.D. Vance. I have a meeting with J.D. because J.D. is running in 2020 no matter what. TPSA is already back in J.D. We know that. That's not nothing new. But if I'm Marco Rubio, if I'm Marco Rubio, personally, I go up to J.D.

go so hey JD great VP but I just ran a successful Venezuela operation I'm the man basically in the White House I'm Trump's basically number two I'm secretary to say I'm closing the real major deals if I go to go to JD and go in 2028 I'm going to run for president

and you be my VP now if you don't want to be my VP and you're going to run then I'm running against you and we're going to have a mega civil war but I'm not going to be your number two if I'm Marco Rubio I'm not waiting also Republicans are tanking right now with the Hispanic mode Maybe with Marco Rubio on the ticket, you can say it. But if I'm Marco, I'm telling JD, I'm running, dude.

And if you want to go up against me, let's hop at it. But that's what I think Marco Rubio is really good. And I think people normally just see the news and they just see Trump. They don't know that Rubio is the mastermind on these foreign policies. He's definitely been a mastermind behind the scenes on what they're doing. And like I said, you have to look at things objectively. You know, we're going to see what the third and fourth and tenth and fucking 40th and hundredth order effect.

are here and how this plays out to make a judgment on it. The earliest part on the scorecard, if you want to call it the opening drive with a touchdown, is a perfect drive. I mean, they executed a mission where none of their guys were killed. They did not kill any civilians on the ground. I saw some of the images of what they did. I'll show you that afterwards. And it's like, it's extremely well done. They got their man. They got, they got out. But there's a lot of time before that cycle. And there are a lot of things that could happen. And maybe. be, you know, world peace occurs. Regimes naturally fall, hopefully, with no fucking U.S. involvement and shit like that,

where the people get to make their own decisions on things. And, you know, you kind of see the May flowers after the April showers that we've been living through or something like that. That is a possibility. There's another possibility that this is just a first quarter shot in the pan in Appalachian States making a little run at Ohio State. And suddenly they're on upset alert. And then, bang! Ohio State just drops fucking six touchdowns on them and the game's over by the end of the second quarter.

That could happen here. It's possible. So I got to see it play out. But when you're talking about, you mentioned in there that they got their eyes on Cuba. We know that. We've heard that. But I want to talk about that.

But before we do, you also said like Nicaragua. What's the thought process there? So they've always had Nicaragua in their eyes. Nicaragua is right now with the Ortega regime. it's, I mean, is this communist really as you get. I mean, if you're a reporter in Nicaragua, like, if you basically can't even report anything critical, they just kind of throw you in jail, they throw in, you know, any

political prisoners. I think right now they ban the Bible from entering Nicaragua, which, I mean, they're a Catholic country. I'm Salvadoran. They're like our neighbors. And we're, you know, Salvador is like a completely different country compared Nicaragua. We'll talk about that. But, but their, Nicaragua also is going to be crucial for the United States, obviously,

because how close they are, but because Nicaragua's relationship with Russia, and China. One big thing with the U.S. is when it comes to dealing with these foreign countries is they want these countries when it comes to deals is to recognize Taiwan as a country. It plays a big role in their fight against China. And when you have these Central American countries that don't, I mean, even though El Salvador is an ally of the United States, El Salvador does not recognize Taiwan as a country. They align with China. Nicaragua aligns with China and Russia. So Marco Ruba has always had this fixation on Nicaro and throwing out that communist government obviously they want to put in a president with American interests to make it easier for them to either trade or block off Russia or Chinese and Markauru has been I mean for decades you could find quotes on him just obsessed with Cuba I mean he's Cuban he's from South Florida and just overthrowing the government there I just don't know how it looks like I think right now I mean from just from just from reading this report it does seems like the priority's going to be I think Mexico they're going to just corner a shine bomb and just flood the zone on her and I think like whether she allows it or not I mean

CIA was already flying drones, but we're going to see some type of, you know, U.S. presence. I mean, they already ran that covert mission when they captured El Mio. I mean, that to me is still one of the most fascinating stories that Mexico had no idea. What do you think happened there? I think once again, it's CIA wasn't well. CIA went in there, maybe made some deals with the inner workings of Shinebom's administration and was like, look, you guys look other way. We're going to come in smooth.

And, you know. here's the thing I cannot get out of my head whenever we talk about the cartels as a terrorist organization and the United States government potentially attacking them and who would be involved in that. And it's not the fact that Mexico is a trading partner in our neighbors and a large GDP country. That's not what I can't get out of my head. What I can't get out of my head is the fact that the letter C-I-N-A always come up in some sort of effort to combat the narco-terrorism that's going on as they've labeled and everything. I would agree with them. I think that is exactly what it is. When in fact, I know the CIA has used the cartels as a vessel to operate their missions around the world.

Now, let me be clear how I say this. And I say, I know that because I've had a guy sitting right there who did it for them professionally completely. non-official cover named Matthew Hedger from episode 275 and 290. But like it's not like, I'll give the CIA this. It's not like they sit there and go, we love the cartels. We love every single thing they do. That's not what they're saying. But they're making this very, very morally treacherous tradeoff. And they made it decades ago where they basically said, okay, this exists. It's this other country has a big problem. Yes, it's starting to drag over to ours. But like they have a lot of connections around the world. So if we got people in there undercover to just help them operate,

because it's already going to happen anyway, when they go to make these trips around the world with these other connections, we can get intel on them and use them that way. And that's how they use them. So when I have Matthew Hedger here, I think we recorded on like March 6, 2025. I'm recording with Ed Calderon, March 13th, 2025 a week later. And Ed, but he doesn't know Matt was there. Ed brings up, he's like, are we going to talk about it? the CIA flipping top 10 banks in the U.S. and top 10 bankers at those banks to launder money for the cartels. And I'm like, holding the goosebumps. I'm like, Ed, it's funny to say that. I had the guy sitting there last week who not only did that, but told the story on that same microphone. And Ed was unfazed

because this is how we know the businesses. So when I see the CIA getting involved putting their man on the ground in April or whatever and suddenly, boom, Venezuela is gone and taken care of, allegedly in like eight months, whatever it is. And then I'm like, but we, Mexico's been the problem for fucking decades with their cartels and we've been there, but we're not doing anything. What really is the game here? That's, dude, that's perfect. Yeah.

And the thing is, we only know that what's funny about these reports, so Julian, it's like, this is the CIA leaking to the New York Times. So it's like, why do they want Mexico and these world leaders to know? I mean, that, you know, it's a whole other game is, is being played. But it does seem Mexico's next on that. radar. We'll see what happens with Venezuelans and TPS if like Trump is going to deport him to a Delci-Rorriguez regime that probably looks at a lot of these Venezuelans that fled the United States as now enemies of the state. It could be imprisoned. There's just going to be so much elements kind of play.

And who knows, maybe this was this, this came right now to take the headlines off other stories for the Trump administration. One of the key details that I thought was super interesting was that this operation was supposed to happen on Christmas Day, Christmas night. They had the Somali documentary to put out the next day. They couldn't do it then. Yeah, we had to wait for that. We had to make sure all the fraud was covered. All the fraud was covered.

Then the Epstein files. What was it? How many people, hey, how many people were arrested on the Somali Friday? Oh, yeah, we'll wait on those arrests. But I guess, yeah. So it was supposed to happen Christmas night. They did air strikes on Nigeria that pushed it back. So now you got the Nigeria angle two of like Christians being persecuted.

I think that's total BS. Really? Oh, not saying they're not being. Talk to me about it. I don't know a ton about it. So, so right now there's, like, terror groups in Nigeria that are persecuted Christians. To the level that we know, I don't think any American really knows. I think of any American journal trying to tell you it is happening or it's not, I don't think they know. And they're full of it.

Maybe the truth's in the middle, right? Like, maybe it's happening, but maybe they're not genocide. Who, you know, we don't really know. It's just half a genocide. But it's, I mean, this is happening all over. I mean, Christians are being persecuted in Gaza, but we don't, we don't. and care about the Gaza angle, right? But all of a sudden, Nigeria, there's maybe things that play here, oil.

Now the administration wants to bomb Nigeria, which I think is interesting, that that did happen. I went to go cover as a reporter and to, you know, make context now I'm independent. I went to TPSAMFS. What I found interesting there was that one of the speakers happened to be Nikki Minaj, who is Nigerian, who was, like, if you go on Nikki Minaj's Twitter, and I don't know if we could do it right now and just type in Nigeria. She has so many tweets of like Christians being persecuted, yada, yada, yada.

Her husband is like, I think about to get some charges. So Nikki Minaj's husband might need a pardon. And all of a sudden, all of a sudden, Erica Kirk invites Nikki Minaj on the state at TPA USA to speak about this to basically get the young Gen Z conservative on board with regime change in Nigeria, if that's what the Trump administration wants to do.

There's just a lot of weird little, you know, you know, you know, connection. So here it is. Look at this. Nicky Minaj, yep, I'm 100% agree with Max, she's clearly being reused. She knows she's playing the game too. Nikki Minot, this is from Max Blumenthal, took some shots. Daniel D. Martino when he was in here.

I need to see those two in the studio. I'm staying out of it. I'm staying out of it. Yeah, yeah. Nikki Minaj, who was obviously recruited by rich Trump cronies, pushes interventionist propaganda as U.S. military surveillance flights begin over Nigeria. it seems clear Trump, Inc. It seems clear Trump, Inc.

is stirring the phony narrative to get it Nigeria's vast oil reserve. How much oil does Nigeria? God damn. We're going to go do it. We're going to do that. So let me tell you this, Joe, do you think Nikki's being invited

because she's a great role model for conservative women and conservative values and that she believes the same thing, Kirk, or she's being now used by higher powers on the right for regime change in Nigeria? I think your audience is smart. You take some notes from, you know, you take some notes from that physique.

I am saying, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. It's not for nothing. It's not for nothing. But yeah, I want to know, Thief, can we pull up her husband? Yeah, yeah. This is interesting. I didn't know this one.

Oh, dude. You learn something new every day. Yeah, he's not looking good. Yeah, so if, you know, if your wife or husband is in trouble, folks, get close to the Trump admin. Get that part in and you get to go, baby. Get on the Erica Kirk Grief Tour. All right. That's this guy.

The latest updates, we're just getting canceled today. It's okay. The latest. I've noticed everything we're talking about. We've pissed off everyone and we're about a half hour in. There's no one we haven't pissed off yet. I love podcasts like this. I'm sorry, Dief.

Can I read the headline? Sorry, I cut myself off. The latest updates in the essay case against Nikki Minaj's husband. Okay. So you can go down right there. Perfect. Kenneth Perry, the disgraced husband of rap star Nikki Minajee. remains on supervised probation for failing to register as an S-offender in California.

Additionally, Petty is embroiled in an ongoing civil lawsuit from a woman who he allegedly essayed in 1994 when they were both 16. Minaj was at one point also named in the lawsuit over claims of harassment, intimidation, and emotional distress stemming from online harassment from fans and allegedly pursuing the defendant to drop the case. Minaj was voluntarily removed from the lawsuit. by the defendant in 2022. Wow. So what part of what you just read,

what represents conservative TPSA values in that? Nothing. And that's... Deep, like, ah, yeah. Oh, technically everything. So, so there you go, Julian. So, and that's, dude, that's Nigeria. I mean, obviously, that's easy, that's an easy one for us to forget,

because it's not Cuba, Nicaragua, obviously, Mexico, our neighbors that's in the news every day. But don't forget about Nigeria, two folks. Like, they might, they might have a role in, in the, regime change is over. My guy Ali Tabrizi, you ever hear of him? He did the documentary Cisperacy on Netflix. Do you remember that? Oh, I got to watch it. No, it sounds super. Yeah. That was back in 2019, I want to say. So, amazing documentary that went through just, I mean, stuff that I knew nothing about as far as like some horrible things that are happening within like the seafood industry and

fishing and stuff around the world. Amazing stuff. But Ali lives out in Australia and we've been working endlessly to try to get him here. But he and I struggle so much because he's in the worst possible time zone of Australia. So the only times I can call him are like right after the gym in the morning or like late at night. And I never remember in the morning. And then at night, it's like when I'm falling asleep. I'm like, fuck. But we'll make it happen. He has, I'm curious to talk to him though, because he has been covering the Christian genocide in Nigeria for a long time. I mean, we're talking the last like three years trying to get attention to some of this. Does that mean he's right about everything?

I don't know. And your guess is as good as mine. But I, you know, I get tight whenever you start seeing sudden American bombings in a lot of countries around the world. I ain't even going to slightly defend like the Hillary Clinton's and George Bush's of the world. But like you would see bombs drop always in places with Al Qaeda. Right. Now, in Nigeria, to be fair, it's like al-Shabaab and these terrorist groups that are tied to ISIS that they're doing it. But like you don't have that in Venezuela. I don't think you have that much in Nicaragua if we start to see that. So what I'm saying is when I start seeing this like everywhere and then we're just casually throwing around the term regime change, it's like if it were as simple as no one knew who did the regime change and you have objectively bad guy and you can get them out by all means, go ahead. But people will know like, oh, the U.S. did that. And then how can that be used for propaganda down the line when some things don't go right? Oh, my God, dude.

It's on the point. And then, I mean, we haven't even got to Iran yet. We'll get there. But no, I think you hit the no head. And for your friend, I'm not saying that Christians are being persecuted in Nigeria. It's just it's always interesting that United States all of a sudden cares about Nigeria when we literally were bombing Christians in Gaza nonstop. And then if you said that you cared about those kids, they called you a Hamas sympathizer on Fox News.

insane. It's crazy. So just, you know, watch a lot of things at play. And I think I spoke to you Al-Kam, Julian, even before the Trump 2.0, Bannon was already kind of making the rounds on media and said, hey, when this administration comes in, they are going to flood the zone. We're going to hit you with executive orders left and right. We're just going to hit them everywhere where we're going to have the mainstream media scrambling. And they can't stay on one story because we're just hitting them. So we got Iran, Nigeria, all those many things that play. We got the Taiwan and the chips and China in the Red Sea and now we got in Mexico and Prussian Shine bombs. So

they're flooding the zone and you're seeing it, bro. The mainstream media is scrambling and then it doesn't help when we kind of got look, for those who don't know, I covered all of those 2020 rights, civil rights. I was there in every city. Yeah, we did. So you and I did episode

229 back in August 24 where you told that whole story and everything. That episode kind of went crazy with a lot of clips and stuff. But if people want to hear all the context there. There was like an hour we went through that. Of that. And in a way man, we're seeing kind of the same, like I said, they're flooding the zone on all the geopolitical

stuff, but then they're also flooding the zone inside the U.S. And then it doesn't help when you have this kind of the ice shooting in Minneapolis. It's kind of brewing that 2020 feeling again, where that public angst and that tension is rising. And I,

you know, just for me covering the news and being on the ground, it just feels like, man, we're almost, at least domestically, were one event away from that big civil unrest and those clashes. And all of a sudden, all the news, bro, you turn on the news. If you're just an American normie, you just turn on the news, you're just getting Minneapolis headlines. You forget Mexico.

You forget Venezuela, Nigeria. So this flood the zone, you know, it's not just from a geopolitical. It's happening domestically as well. You said Steve Bannon said that? Yeah. So Steve Bannon was making the media rounds. And for folks who don't know, obviously Steve Bannon, you know, former White House advisor and everything but Steve Bannon is a genius politically. He basically in 2016 for folks who don't know,

he wrote Trump's playbook. He is the MAGA author. He actually had a meeting with Trump and said, we're making a massive mistake. He says, we're making the issue of like China number one. He's like, no, no, no. Let's start off on immigration. And then we work everything way down. So that's why Trump would build the wall super hard in 2016. He is one of the smart, regardless of what you think about him. Regardless. And I do not have a good opinion. He is. one of the smartest political operatives in history. And Joe, white boys got some motion too. Right?

We pull up that pick because it's funny he's the guy saying flood the zone so that the media can't focus on one story. This is, this is, Joe has this actually framed in his apartment in Brooklyn just because it's such a. Yeah, yeah, don't give it away. It's such a, it's such a great, such a great picture. I just like the vibes are immaculate. Oh my God. Look at that.

And Steve Bannon was fired by Trump about a day before that picture was taken. He looks so happy. So Jorge, this is the people don't even know this because it just went right under the radar. I'll never forget the day. Steve Bannon was fired from Trump won from 45. So he was the White House advisor and he was fired on a Friday, I want to say, in August. 2017, so he'd been on the job for like eight months. It is the same energy right there.

Deep's full and up a comparative picture. But I lived in North Jersey, and so Trump in the summers on the weekends goes to his place in Bedminster with the golf course. So he would fly into Morristown Airport. So I'm coming back from an appointment and, you know, the roads are empty because it's like maybe two o'clock in the afternoon.

And all the fucking cop cars are lined up. I'm like, God damn it, he's landing here. So they shut off. Like whenever the president goes to fly into one of these like smaller airports, they shut off like the four miles around it. You got to like go around. So I'm like, fuck. And wow, he's flying up here the day.

Bannon got fired. While Trump was flying up to Morristown Airport, Bannon got in his car and drove to New York City and spent the weekend at Jeffrey Epstein's place and interviewed him on camera for 18 hours. And Epstein verified this and everything. Bannon later teased a documentary back in, maybe late 2021.

I knew about the interview, right? I didn't know it was 18. Yeah. Yeah, where he showed one clip of it, which is like a comical clip where he's like, he's like pressing Epstein and he's like, you've been accused to doing some horrible things to women and whatever, you know, like, how do you respond? He goes, I actually believe the future is about women. I'm a time's up guy.

And like, you can't even believe this is really. He's like, we're going to make it talk. I know. We're going to make a documentary on this. And then they never put out the documentary because Steve Bannon goes way back. with Mr. Epstein. That's a fun rabbit hole to go down to if people want to do that. There's a guy named Henry Abbott from actually True Hoop of all places who did an amazing

like 18 chapter report on this like five or six years ago. And there's a chapter called Steve Bannon about Epstein. And it's like, what the fuck? Okay, I didn't know they get way back. Oh, they buddy, buddy, bro. So like, it's funny that they're flooding the zone with some of this stuff now. Okay, now we're getting, okay, now we're making the, okay. By the way, Jorge, you'll appreciate this. You're in the news cycle. What's the worst time of the news cycle of the week?

I mean, the government usually tries to drop you, bro, on a Friday or Sunday night. So they'll fall Friday night into Saturday morning. Yeah. That's the time. So let's just, let's review a couple things here. Jeffrey Epstein found dead in his jail cell on an early Saturday morning in August, the vacation month, the deadest news month of the year. Gieland Maxwell found guilty on Wednesday, December 29th, two days before New Year's, the dead week after Christmas. Fucking January 3rd is Monday. It's dead by then. On Saturday morning of President's Day weekend in America, Jean-Luc Brunel, Epstein's European trafficker, found dead in his jail cell on a three-day weekend in America. stories dead by Tuesday.

When Trump and Cash Patel had to come out this year and like admit that some of the things they said about Epstein was wrong, but there's still nothing to see here, like that big thing that happened. I believe, Joe, it was like July 3rd, like of July 4th week. And that, yeah, that's a whole separate thing. One eye hunt and one eye fishing. The Epstein file release date that they kept pushing off that Trump wouldn't sign finally got released on Friday afternoon and they were late to release it. Remember like Massey all right?

Like where is it? They released it that night on December 19th right before Christmas week, a week before the Somali documentary goes to fucking Mars two weeks before we would, we invade Venezuela. Gone. That is not a coincidence. It's totally out of the new cycle now. Totally. Here really quick, Joe, just Google. What's like our last article? amazing really that's yeah yeah right in the middle of the night and the story's already dead and they probably also probably planning an event nearby so after that story boom we're just gonna kill it with something else dead biggest trafficker and fucking known trafficker in human history how many somalis got arrested after the dog yeah yeah that's what I'm saying but because because by

way two things that was that was that was a Friday but like that's the other thing Nick put it out I believe on the 26 Nick Shirley which is like not a great day to put out content and it became and it became the most viewed documentary of all time because it got retweeted by everyone and by the way two things are true at the same time Nick definitely seems to have uncovered something there and he doesn't control like who takes actions with it afterwards obviously like he is a conservative guy he's an investigator on that side. Like he's not, Nick is not a pure journalist because he does have a point of view.

So like he's excited about some of the people who are retweeting this and he's young and he found a good story. So that's not in his control. But like, not natural for that to be getting fucking 150 million views in a week. And it's a, I got to say, very well done documentary. I would say he had 90 to 95% of the stuff fairly buttoned up like in an on the ground. capture it documentary. That's hard to do. So kudos to him. But I'm just saying like it was used out of his control to also wash this shit away. Because by the way, there were a bunch of pictures of like, you know, and to be clear, I actually didn't think this was bad, but people could paint

it as bad. There were a bunch of pictures of Elon with a bunch of other scientists at a dinner with John Brockman. And I always forget the name of that fucking science club back in 2011. The fact of the matter is Epstein funded this club. It's like every single. scientist in the world was in it and he would go to some of the dinners. That doesn't mean anything happened. But like, you know, people aren't, they don't, they're zero or a hundred about this. Like, there's no middle ground. You know what I mean? So I understand like, in that case, someone like Elon being like, God damn it. Like, do I really? I don't know this guy. You know, but people would be like, but do you? I know. And then, dude, everyone comment on it. Pam Bondi,

who, come off. And then I think it was like a day or two ago, what the White House puts out the statement saying because of Shirley's reporting we're going to like surge in Minnesota. I mean, no one's getting arrested for the fraud. They're just, it's, it's a huge, but I mean, I haven't seen any arrest as a, and then I mean, we'll see. I mean, well, things have played out, but I also find it interesting. Joe, we could put it up, Joe Thompson, uh, the lead prosecutor, uh, who was a Trump appointee from Minnesota resigned a couple of days ago with, if we could pull this article up, Julian, and then five other prosecutors also resigned. He's a Trump appointee. This is a guy who like literally

uncovered fraud like two years ago for, there it is, Joe Thompson. The administration is pushing Joe. Oh, wait, but this is over the ice shooting thing. No, yeah, but the thing is, he is the guy who had literally went after the fraud in Minnesota. He just closed like a $250 million fraud case. This is a guy's a big deal. He's good. He's a Trump picked them. And then the administration started pressuring Thompson and the other prosecutors to find something on the widow of Renee Nicole Good. And then these guys just all resigned. All right. So I have. have like admittedly and joe and i were talking about this yesterday like not looked at any of this ice shooting stuff because i saw like immediately global freak out on twitter all the

predictable names on either side giving completely opposite i didn't watch the video i was just like i had too much going on last week i'm like i'm just going to let this play out what happened here just give it to me as objectively as possible what's going on obviously everyone who's listening who's normal actually did watch this and has their own opinions, but I'm hearing it for the first time. What went on here? What's the story? So obviously, you know, we're seeing this huge surge of, you know, federal immigration agents in, in Minneapolis. And obviously, you have a city that's not used to seeing, no really American city is used to seeing this amount of federal agents on the ground masked up. So obviously, this is drawing tensions and drawing crowds and in confrontations.

a lot of people that are making the mistake where like every federal agent they're just saying it's ice the majority of agents you guys are seen on the ground are border patrol that's why they have that green uniform and border patrols is the one who are who is doing the roving patrols meaning like if there's a Somali looking person getting gas they're rolling up they're asking them can i see your ID are you like they're the ones who are doing that so in this uh in this rene de coles situation according to the government in that area they were doing what they called a targeted uh... Now, targeted usually means from my reporting is they have an individual who they are already going for, they already track their pattern or life. Normally, ICE is like is doing that. But this was a target operation by Border Patrol.

So there was protesters there, obviously all these tensions. You have Renee Nicole Good who I believe like just dropped off her kid, ends up in this kind of situation where she's now surrounded by a few of these agents, kind of like a roadblock. And I mean, everything kind of happens really quick. You know, there's that moment in that video where she kind of looks at the agent and says, hey, I'm not mad at you, dude. And then one other agent, I believe, is the one who's like, hey, get out the car.

And then that's when everything kind of turns because then she turns the car. You have the agent who's like in front of the car. He has, I don't know why, his cell phone out. And then boom, one shot through the windshield when the wheel started turning on the right. And then there was two more shots when he was in the side. And then like in one of the video at the end he goes,

effing bitch. And the car kind of, after Nicole's obviously, you know, deceased, the car keeps going and it hits a pole. And that's kind of, obviously, bro, that went mega viral and all that good stuff. But the thing is, this is my frustration, Julian is like, even before I watched that video, I already know what your opinion on. The shooting is from if you're on Team Blue and Team Red. I think this is where you and me 100% agree and are kind of sick with everything going on.

So. Dave, by the way, just, Jorge, I want you to finish that point. Dief, can you pull up the video and not. put it on the screen and not have audio just so I see it with the context. Obviously, Jorge's seen all this. And then Jorge, please continue. Yeah, so look, I'm not a law expert. I have no idea how this is going to weigh up.

But, like, I think for me, the frustration was that, like, everyone just came out, dude, was like an automatic expert on the situation. And, you know, we'll see how this plays out with voters. But what I found super interesting, Julian, was, like, the next day, J.D. Vance does the, Oh, this is better. I do an interview with, I won't say his name, but I'm in Washington, D.C. when the shooting happens. Sorry to hear that.

And I meet with a D.C. guy who's in the administration connected to cracking on drugs. I don't want to rewrote too much. So we have a meeting. Meeting goes good. This guy was a former ice guy. So in our meeting goes, hey, Jorge, just got to run out in a little bit. I got to go on Fox.

You know, I got to go on. They're interviewing me as from the, from the perspective of a former ICE agent in the shooting, you know, but he's in the admin. So I say, okay, cool. He does the interview. And then he calls me. He goes, all right, I did the Fox interview. And the White House calls me directly and told me, get the F off TV.

And I'm like, huh? He goes, that's never happened to me before, man. He's like, I don't want to get fired. I don't know if I pissed him up. He says, I went on Fox. And he's like, obviously, I play ball. I'm going to defend my guy. You know, they're going to defend, no matter what, they're going to defend the shooter.

Because it's the DHS, you know, he's the guy's in the admin, bro. the admin right now is doubling down on anything. But you can say, I, I, with whole, I actually, I'll give Tom Holman a little credit on this. He said, I'm not something like, I'm not going to comment on this because it's an ongoing investigation or something like that. Like that's what you should, you shouldn't just like automatically defend your guy, especially if you don't even know what happened. So he's, he says, hey man, did nothing wrong, you know, you know, talked to him about my

expertise, defend our guy, blah, boom. He goes, I got a call from the Y House to get the F off TV. And then what he, what he, what, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he, he's, he, he's, He doesn't know. He's not a reporter. She doesn't know what the media works. And I go, I say, I go, hey, man, it looks like the White House is panicking on this video. And they would need to get in front of the story and you going on before Nome does. F so. And then the funny thing is like two hours later, Nome does her press conference, right? Does her press conference, all the greatest hits. The next day, what I found interesting, J.D. Vance is doing the press briefing.

and J.D. Vance comes out in his doubling down aggressive, like off the cuff already, like René Nicole Good is a domestic terrorist and was like, basically he doubled down and so much that like, and this is what I was speaking to another reporter friend about, he's like, Jorge, with this big beautiful bill, you got 10,000 agents coming in. Dude, the 10,000 agents that are coming in, these aren't guys that are like, hey, man, my whole life, I just wanted to be a police officer, man. to serve the community, buddy. These guys are like rejects in other parts of society, criminal record.

They're getting rushed through training. Criminal records. Some of these guys got criminal record. And they're getting, I don't know, Joe, really quick, if we could just put up like slate journalist ICE. Just put that in a slate journalist just applied at ICE and got in quick. And she was like a super lip, hates Trump, uses drugs. You've heard about who ICE is recruiting.

The truth is far worse. I'm the proof. What happens when you do minimal screening before? hiring agents, arming them and sending them into the streets. We're all finding out. And really quick, gentlemen, before you read the rest, so people don't think, oh, it's a lib article. DHS put out a statement combating this,

and then it got community noted by X. Oh, my, for a slate art. That's hard to do. So she got a real tentative offer. She's like, dude, I smoke weed. I'm the biggest lib. She's like, you could Google me. I talk shit about Trump all the time.

And they pushed her in. So what I was speaking to my report, buddy, he's like, He's like, Jorge, we got the big, beautiful bill. You got 10,000 of these agents to do that are being rushed in. Not only being rushed in, these are like the most MAGA of MAGA agents. Then you have the shooting of Renee Nicole Good. So if you're an agent applying, like, oh, man, I'm kind of worried. The VP just came out and had your back.

You got immunity, brother. You don't think these guys are going to come in. Riled the F up. Come on. Can I see the video, Joe, while we're talking about this. Also really quick, what I found interesting is why does this video, from the agent's cell phone, why does that get leaked to Alpha News?

I mean, that's a whole other, you know. It was from the agent. So while I'm watching this, who was Renee Nicole Good? Like, what was the context of her even being there in the car at the time? Do we know that? I guess she just heard about the protests

and try to, like, go down and I'm hearing two stories. There's one that she dropped off her kid and then just kind of ran into the protest. One that, like, she just went to it and then kind of panic and try to leave. Let me see, let me first see the angle everyone's seen. Yes, this, I feel like, right? Okay, so she's being told to stop, she doesn't.

And then does he shoot from the side? Is that it? No, the front, he pulled his gun, bang, bang. And then bang, bang, over the side. Okay. Okay. Now, Joe, you had another perspective. Now, as you see there, Julian, you see when that guy goes up to, to, obviously,

grab the door. So right there is what kind of everything changes, right? Because he goes, get out, get out, and she's in panic mode. I think, you know, she's in panic mode. Because I also, like, I think ICE also is so controversial right now, like as an organization that a lot of people, there are a lot of citizens, I'm not saying whether this is right or wrong, I'm just saying this, like, who don't view them from a rights perspective, like, when they're there as an actual police officer, which they are, but their reputation through some of the things we've seen over the past few months is not good. And they're also being decried by local politicians, maybe in some cases correctly. I don't know. I'm not trying to make a political statement here. I'm just trying to report what's going on

where they're basically saying like get the fuck out of our city and stuff so then the people are like, well, some people who are scared to this are like, well, my mayor is saying they should get the fuck out so they don't have jurisdiction. You know what I mean? Right. And I was speaking to a DHS agent about this.

The language is hurting these guys too. So when they say like these are Gestapo, these are Nazis. Like some of the language that some media uses is like when they arrest someone, they'll say this person was kidnapped or they would disappear. So when the public hears that,

You know, obviously like what we're talking about ICE is not good. Like at the end of the day like, yeah, yeah, this is from Alpha News and this is going to be, should be the cell phone of. We're not showing this on camera because the video will get demonetized, but I just want to see it. So this was leaked, you said. Yeah, to Alpha News. This is from the agent's cell phone. Right there. Okay.

And right here she goes, I'm not mad at you guys. Dude, I'm not mad at you. I'm not mad at you. He's filming. He's going to get a license plate. So he has it. Even his agent bro. And then someone's filming him.

That's her partner. Oh, that's her partner. Yeah. You know, that's when the other agent bro goes up and grabs a door handle. And that's when the situation is supposed to. Okay. So her partner's right there. Yeah.

And then she's, now she's turning it. Now bang, bang, she's shot. Okay. And we don't see the shots, but we see her car spin out of control. Okay. So I don't know how that video goes from the agent's cell phone. to alpha news. I don't know if there's there's a re now I don't know why they want to make that leak

um I know that agent who also fire shots was previously dragged in a car in a previous operation I believe like less than six months ago. The guy who fired the yeah so from what I've heard I spoke to a lawyer friend this is from I'm not an expert but he says that that might hurt the government's case because it's like you don't want a guy who's dealing with trauma and then panic so you know I don't then does the onus go on to the government for putting him still I don't think anything is going to happen to this guy because Trump and Vance and Nome are very clear that they have your back no matter what. I really don't think anything is going to help him. So we started this loop actually with the prosecutor stepping down because he happened to be a guy, Trump appointed guy.

Is that right? Yeah. So basically the administration is pressuring Thompson saying find something on the widow of Renee No Colgood. And then right there, Joe Thompson, who's a Trump appointee. I mean, I can't emphasize this enough. It just happens to be a fraud expert prosecutor at the time. this time, by the way. But he's stepping down over the ice thing, not the fraud thing. Over the ice thing, yeah.

So what does Joe think about? He probably thinks, hey, I have nothing on this lady and this administration is going to make me, is, you know. I'm just trying to pry. Because I just, I know, there's so much stuff. Yeah. I'm trying to pry. I have, I've literally purposely like scrolled past this over the past week. Which I'm glad you did just. We could have this conversation now. And it's raw. And Julian, I'm coming into the studio today. Last night, there was another ice involved shooting. It seems like... What happened? Where we could look at this up, Joey, I believe it was a Venezuelan individual.

He, like, struck one of the agents with a shovel, agent fireback. So we had another shooting last night, and then... Oh, my God. So there were some more classes of protesters, there was tear gas. Some of those agents, Julian, I don't know if we could find the video. They left the vehicles in the midst of it. So the protesters actually went into the vehicles, ransacked them.

They stole a bunch of documents that, of like, who ICE was targeting. So they have those documents. and an FBI rifle, I believe Nick Sortor on X has a video of them pulling out, if we could get this right now, the FBI rifle case out of a car. That's kind of funny. Yeah. I mean, it's not, but it's a little bit funny.

If we could go on X Joey and put Nick Sortor. Rifle. Yeah, he has a video. It was all breaking last night. It was crazy. You know the picture I have outside the studio right there. I build a butcher. Yeah.

Are you aware what he says in that? line in gangs in New York when he's sitting there. He's looking at Leonardo DiCaprio just doing a monologue in the middle of the night and Leo's waking up like, what the fuck is this guy doing? And he's like, civilization is crumbling. There's a reason I put that outside the studio.

Take a look at this right here, Julie. Okay, so here's, can we put this before we played? Is this one that's going to get us in trouble? No, no, no, no, no. All right. And by the way, people, I'm sorry. I've got to be so, pause that real fast, Joe. Pause that real fast? Sorry.

I'm sorry I gotta be so careful with some of the stuff, but just so you understand, we have had demonetization wars with all of Jorge's content in the past. So like I'm doing that very on purpose in this episode. I know that is an annoying part at home and I apologize for that. I don't make the rules. Okay. Sorry, Jay. Okay, so they're like hacking away. Can you make a full stream button shot?

Yeah, you'll see in pool. Oh, my God. Yeah, he's got, wow. He looks like a real straight shirt. No fun intended. It's a bullet. Yeah. It's a bullet.

Yeah, I mean, this isn't. This happened last name. These aren't the people I want finding this stuff. I'll put it that way. And Joey, I don't know if we could, if we got the video, if we could look at Ford Fisher, because Ford Fisher has the video of the documents when they have their ransacking the documents.

So. As a reporter who's covered the 2020 rides, I'm looking at this. And it's almost like... You were in them. Like you were literally undercover in them. Yeah, in them. I mean, there's no one has more experience than me. And I'm getting that feeling, man.

We're something... Ford, like the car Ford? Yeah, yeah. We're one moment away, man, from this thing spilling over. Because think about this, Joe, this is just... And I don't want to say this, but you're having these violent clashes. You're the other side now There are these protesters

They're urging their audiences Their followers If you want to come to Minneapolis in protest Come armed Come on We are getting to that moment And I don't want I hate saying this

But this is just realistic Because I covered the process And I've seen it We're getting to that moment Where an ice agent officer Could get shot and killed I mean Where the public is reaching that

I mean look at this I mean It's It's not coming coming down. Jorge. Because I hate, like, and I take what you say very seriously because you've seen all this stuff on the ground and you go, and now we're really going to get you back going to

where the stories are because you're doing shit yourself. So again, we will have Jorge's links down below to his ex, his new YouTube channel that I know we'll talk about some of the content you're going to be doing there. I know it's going to be great. So people go follow Jorge's great follow. But, you know, I hear you talking about this civil unrest. and what this all is, it is just scary to me the pendulum shifts that we still, not only still subject ourselves to in society, but we make worse than ever when all the answers are there in

front of us to show us why that's a bad idea. So let me give some context there. It is an objective statement that the last administration, the Biden administration's policies on the border and immigration were horrible. There's actually really no one who did a better job of laying that out than you because you covered, and I cite it all the time on this podcast, some serious human trafficking stories that were able to happen because of how loose the border was. So the same people who were like, well, we just have to have open borders and whatever because we have to let everyone in because that's what we do in America,

when they were confronted with what that allowed very bad people to do on a massive scale with things like human trafficking where people are done, They're having their organs harvested or they're being sold into slavery. We don't know where they are. We never find out. Oh, they didn't care about the human rights then. And it was crazy. And so you get a guy like Trump who says, we're going to tighten up the border.

Which, yo, like, hey, have at that, bro. I'm like, that's fine. But what I really wanted to see with respect to us cleaning up also who had gotten into our streets here was for places like ICE, Border Patrol, whoever it is, to go get the criminals. and get them out. Get the people who are carrying fucking guns around in our street who are illegal immigrants, the people who are committing violence, the people who are breaking the law, the people who are completely taking advantage of our system that way. What I didn't need to see prioritize with a bunch of people symbolically wearing balacavas

and fucking camo who, you know, apparently includes slate journalists if they want to get the job, what I didn't need to see was going to like the people who have been here. for 25 years and are just a family with no criminal history and seeing kids ripped away from their parents. And it's, listen, people, I know we have an anecdotal internet. These aren't all anecdotal stories. There are a lot of them. And from a just a basic humanity, maybe there's a better way to solve it. Certainly, you want to get people to be credentialed citizens and go through that kind of process or if they're not qualified, figure out something else. But there's a human way to do it. And what it feels like is Biden had pushed the pendulum so badly to the other side to

where objectively horrible, awful, horrific things were happening in our country as a result of this, such that now the attitude of anger, which is just a response to that. I get it. That was so hard from this side that anything goes. And when you do that, you become, it's just human nature it's actually no let me correct that it's the law of physics i cite all the time when you have the equal but opposite reaction you come you become exactly what your enemy is from a different angle and i'm still taking in like this one ice shooting in things but there's a lot of other stuff too and i am slowly feeling those vibes happening and it really makes me sad no i'm with you mate like if if you're upset about what's going on in terms of like the optics of how these raids look it's like

at the end of day, this is all back to Joe Biden. I mean, he effed it up so bad at the punching them swing. I was in South Texas where, like, those Latinos have been voting Democrats since, like, 1940, and it wasn't going to change. And he opened up the border so bad that all those Latino communities in South Texas flipped. And I was there sounding the alarm for the dams. I was like, hey, guys, like, these guys say they're voting Republican for the first time. Like, somebody get out here and talk to them.

I mean, don't take the vote. And no one was listening to me. Then after the election, the New York Times, Oh my God, this historic game with Fatinos in South Texas. How did it happen? Well, it happens when you have 17,000 Haitians stuck under the Del Rio bridges, shuts down the port of entry and people can't make money. You have kids literally, I would, dude, I'll never forget the report I did.

I mentioned it on the previous pot, June, but I was in the Eagle Pass where they were getting a drowning per day pulling out kids and babies and mothers from the Rio Grande River. So when the pendulum swung, this is what you got. And the Trump administration came in, we were going to conduct the largest deportation. an operation in history. What people I think didn't expect is that Stephen Miller was going to just rant this thing up to times 10. And kind of the way that Rubio has been the genius on foreign policy and kind of the

mastermind, the mastermind in this operation, what we're seeing in the optics is all Stephen Miller. Because Stephen Miller, what was interesting is ICE directors. I'll have Stephen Miller called all the ICE directors in and was pissed off that they were not getting 3,000. arrest per day. I don't know if you could Google Joey, just Stephen Miller 3,000, but they wanted 3,000 arrests. And when I was speaking with folks inside ICE and Border Patrol, like, they were all, like, they're like, Horace, we want to get all the bad guys out too. The thing is it's like,

there's just not enough high profile criminal illegal aliens to hit 3,000 per day. So then what we started to see is the collateral arrest of just kind of like, you were saying, like, folks who, like, their only crime is that they've been here 20 years and the system sucks and they can't have a pass way of citizenship. Now they're kind of getting arrested. But yeah, it's Stephen Miller who really kind of supercharged this to the point where now Border Patrol and ICE feel like they have to kind of target everyone. Border Patrol particularly is interesting men because they're doing the roving patrols. So they're just driving around. They just come up and ask you for your citizenship. I've been speaking with some folks in ICE. What are the, what's the lead? Do you know the legality of that?

So that feels like I don't know how familiar you are with this, but the old like stop and frisk policy in New York. Like, that's... That's what it feels. So let me just explain just for the audience who doesn't know. So, like I said, they just immediately just calls everyone ICE. But like ICE are the ones who like, they do targeted arrest, meaning that like they'll say they're in Denver, they're going after a Jose and Gonzalez. They are doing pattern of life. They are tracking his movements. They know where he lives, where he works, and then they go in and make that target arrest. now ICE is being pressured

is when they make that target arrest to arrest also anyone in that building of facility that's also undocumented, that's your collateral. Border Patrol is another level because they're doing the whole thing where they're riding around with that guy Gregor Bovino.

They want that confrontation, they want that interaction with the media and they want those optics for whatever reason. I just think as a journalist and just been covering the way people think and vote, you never want a story to keep hitting you negative in the headlines

because then it creeps into independent and normies. And that's what happened on immigration where only the right cared about it but because Biden just let the border so open and got so ridiculous. And then they started busting the migrants and everything. The story got so big

that those negative headlines were enough to take them down. And I just like, I know the MAGA base loves this, but like a normie independent voter, like these optics are very bad for the top of administration. And that's who flips an election. So like if you are, someone who is on the more conservative side of things and like you wanted to see a conservative president in 2028

what you know whether you agree with this or not i can kind of see where my thoughts are going with some of us but like you could pull up an article like it just came out it was not the way it was like i think it was like most like i think americans are fleeing both parties like faster than ever like the independence is going quicker so when i see that headline yep that to me if i'm like a gop operative that's a massive ordinance. Because the Republicans just made massive gains with minority voters, especially with black and Latinos,

independence, Gen Z. So if you're already losing that coalition that you just won, I mean, 2028 is not looking good. So it could also just be, like I said, men, people are getting, like I said, the optics. A lot of politics, like I try to tell people,

some politics, bro, not even the policy is more important. It's literally just the optics of it. So like, if more Americans than ever are identifying as politically, like that to me, that doesn't, it's already, it's bad news for Democrats. This to me is like disaster for Republicans because you just made all those gains.

More Americans than ever are identifying as political independence poll shows. 45% till Gallup poll their independence suggesting Republicans, Democrats struggling to hold voter loyalty. When was this poll held, Joe? So it was 15,000 people. What's the day of this article? I think it was just updated five minutes ago. Yeah. Oh, this is like today.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I was reading the last night. It does feel like. So let's look at the timeline here, right? Yeah. Trump gets shot at in Butler, has the unbelievable response to it and everything. His support Skyron. Right.

And then he actually, like, didn't do anything for a few weeks, if you remember this. And, like, then Kamala kind of surged for a minute. And then in August, he started the independent media blitz, kind of became the darling of, like, young men and all that. And then won the election very soundly. it was an amazing, objectively, an amazing political comeback, probably the most amazing political comeback in American history. It feels like, you know, at the time he took a victory lap as it is his right to do and as he should. It feels like no matter what has happened since then, living through all the Epstein backlash, living through some of the, well, now the backlash we see with some of the policies

they're enforcing to enforce the immigration, no matter what is done. he and the people around him keep living in this victory lap world. I mean, you got Stephen Miller's fucking wife running a podcast, like with celebrities now. You know what I mean? Like, there is a little bit, or a lot of bit in some cases. What about Cash Patel's girlfriend?

Girlfriend, not wife. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, there's an inability to read the room is what I'm getting at. I'll see you in Vahala. Yeah. I see you in Vahala, brother. There was a tweet that said,

Like, he said, a Hindu FBI head said in front of a Mormon governor and a Protestant vice president to a Protestant deceased friend that he'd see him in a pagan heaven. I mean, these jokes write themselves. Dude, that Katie podcast, don't, I was a, there was that whole thing with Cash Patel's girlfriend being like I'm a side Asian and it, they had this whole cringe. I'm with you, man. They're still in victory mode. Which some of that was also not fair, by the way. They keep using the word like, we're living in the golden age. And I don't know, you know, what I'm, what I'm, you know,

I would really urge people to pay attention to Gen Z because they're going to play a huge role, obviously. And Gen Z, they just went through, where like they went conservative. Gen Z's very anti-war. What I mean by that is like, Gen Z, you know, if you turn on Fox News and you talked about kids being killed in Gaza, they, they, that's like, not, they're, they're, they're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, I'm a Hamas sympathizer. Then they go on TikTok and then they see the reality and now

that, that disconnect happens. And not only is that disconnect happening, but then Gen Z cared about Epstein. We're not getting an Epstein. Gen C right now, economic future is looking dire. A.I's coming in. No one could afford a home. Um, it's looking very bleak. And I, I, I, I, I, one thing I like about Gen Z is like that that, that's going to be that one, um, generation. You're just not going to be able to, to BS either side. You could do all the lies. They're living it, man. And they went through when their life was shut down during COVID. So I do, shout out to Gen Z, man. It's, it's, it's that generation. You're not going to be able to dance around. So yeah, they could be the

black pill. And look, Julian, and if we're doing the timeline, Trump's already lost the podcast, bros. I mean, Joe Rogan's flipped on him, Tim Dillon, Theo. I mean, all, you know, so. And, and like, um, uh, uh, This was something that I at the time, you know, quietly felt strongly about. And I, I do appreciate those guys calling it like they see it a lot. I say that I'm a fan of those guys and, you know, they, a lot of them make it possible for me to do what I do. But some things don't change here, Jorge. None of what happens changes the fact that Kamala Harris was objectively an awful candidate for president, regardless of whatever, Republican. policies were, fucking lady couldn't talk. I mean, it was bad. Right. She was an awful, awful candidate. And before that, Joe Biden was six sheets to the wind. I mean, he was done. So there weren't options there. None of it changes the fact that like woke culture, which was had a iron grip in many cases for like a decade, was cringe in every way. And now Gen Z, much of Gen Z, there's a subset of Gen Z that's like totally

bought in, but then a large subset that's like, fuck that shit, right? So much that. point like they'll get behind someone like Nick Fuentes and stuff just because it's so opposite, right? Like none of it changes that that was all bad. What it doesn't do is exonerate the other side from there for, not exonerate. It doesn't mean that the other side can now do whatever they want to do regardless of how opposite or how too far it is. And my whole thing with this was it's easy for me to say this because I'm a smaller podcast and it's not an option for me to bring on Donald Trump on my show. Let's just call it like it is. But like I've always had a policy of not bringing on politicians. And I've stuck to that. And I've been asked to bring on politicians plenty of times before.

I've always said no. And I was very concerned when they all brought on Trump. Now, they all invited on Kamala. And Kamala and her campaign deserve all the blame in the world for like fucking bitching out from it and being like, we're not going to do this. Like, well, we'll go do call her daddy. So they deserve a lot of blame as well. And I don't think Joe or Theo or Flagrant or any of these guys deserve blame on that. But because the moment was so strong, it is so easy. And I could have seen myself falling into it too. I'm not going to sit here and throw a stone from a glass house.

It is so easy to get swept up in that. And with the cool, funny guy who's coming back while the fucking cringe lady runs on the other side, that then you get into an endorsement. And I cite this all the time. One of the most uncomfortable things I ever saw was, You know, Joe brought on Elon the day before the election. That's fine. Elon was there to make his case for Donald Trump.

Cool. No problem with that. But Joe put out a tweet that night, the night before the election, basically like promoting the episode. And I don't have deep in here right now. But like the wording I'm paraphrasing was like, I had on my great friend, you know, the rocket genius, Elon Musk to make what I think is the strongest case I've heard yet for Donald Trump for president, like that, that, that.

everybody enjoy. 20 minutes later, the tweet was edited and he put in there. And to be clear in the middle of it, yes, that is a personal endorsement of Donald Trump. And what had happened was Elon called him flipping out saying, you have to endorse him. You have pressuring him to endorse him. Elon who's got a lot of money in the game and stuff. So Joe, great friends with Elon, does it. And I get it. I get it. I'm not, let's not play fucking. hindsight 20-20 whatever but this is the problem you run into now because i've really appreciate these guys being honest on a lot of things where they are disagreeing but when you then make that relationship and it becomes a bit buddy-buddy and then joe you said something brilliant a few

minutes ago that i have to say all the time and i fucking hate saying it but it's true i wish we lived in a world where how things were mattered that more than how things look but unfortunately, especially in this business, there are times where how things look matter more than how things are because it's how it's spun. So when Joe Rogan is on the dais at the fucking inauguration and the other guys are in the crowd, can you imagine if that was Kamala and Anderson Cooper was up there? They would be shredded. So, and I know, and Joe's not Anderson Cooper. I want to be very clear. Like, that's not what I'm saying.

I'm saying the optics could make his enemies try to paint him that. way and it's downstream to the rest of us in independent media as well. So now these guys are switching up on some things, righteously so, fully support them, think that's great. But it can be spun to, oh, but that was your boy. Oh, all of independent media is like that. So if I were they, whoever they is, all these consortiums of people who actually run the world, whoever the fuck they are. And I saw that a certain industry, an upstart industry like independent media had an enormous effect on on who the fucking president of the United States was who won an election. And I wanted to destroy said industry.

I would destroy it from the inside. I would try to have it make some of the same mistakes even to a way lesser degree, but a way that we could blow it up at the same proportion that mainstream media had made and I'd have a make it from the other side. And I had this conversation with Tommy G a year ago on inauguration night about how concerned I was. And last night Tommy G. and I were on the phone almost exactly a year later. And he said, what do you think the few years? future of independent media is. And I said, Tommy at the moment, optically, I'm not so sure independent

media exists like it did. We have to get it back. And I can't say I didn't see this coming. So again, easy for me to say. If Donald Trump had called me up during the election and said like, hey, I would have come on your bad guess. And I'm like, okay, well, let me invite Kamala too. Maybe I'll do this one. Maybe I would have done it. Let's not sit here and fucking cast stones. But like, looking back on it, it is an amazing lesson for me to learn from watching what other people had to go through and I appreciate them now trying to navigate it and trying to be as honest as they can about it and I hope that continues to happen where things are bad. You should be able to call it like, you know, this is good, this is bad, this is good, this is bad. That is why when I go

down and I vote, I write in journalist abstain for every position down to dog catcher. I will never have skin in the game because I have to be able to praise and criticize based on how things are with no skin in the game. I take that part of the job seriously and I always will. You and me are on the same wailing, but I was, when I was going to journalist, community college, my journalist teacher with Tomy, he's like, hey, Horry, back in the, like, back in the 60s and the 70s, reporters that cover politics, they didn't vote. And I remember I was like 18, 19 when I heard that. And up to that point, I had never voted, never, never donated to a political party.

And right there, man, I made a pack to myself, I'm like, if I'm going to do this political thing, I'm never going to vote and I'm happy for that. Everyone who has a job, bro, in a way, has a little sacrifice, right? you're firefighter, you make sacrifice, all that, all that same stuff. But for me, I'm like, you know what? I'm happy not voting because I don't want to vote. And then that plays a role in the way I report. And that's a disservice to my audience.

If I'm really going to be like the independent guy, hold both sides accountable, you can't vote. So I'm 30, never voted, never donated to any, any political party and just try to attack. Good for you. But I agree with you, man. Like the influencer independent economy market is now getting infiltrated by. all these different interests and, you know, investments and stuff.

I don't know if we could, Joey, there's a guy on X name Rob Smith who's like a conservative black gay influencer. And he was just the Qatar government just paid him like whatever money. And he just right now was in guitar taking, I don't know if you could just put guitar. And in the, in a certain, yeah,

this guy sold his soul. And this is what I'm talking about. Starts like this. This is babysat. Starts off with a Rob Smith. So this guy went to, This guy went to Qatar, bro, did the whole, oh, Qatar's a great country and stuff,

and people were like, roast him. It's like, dude, you're a gay black guy. They were, like, throw you off a roof if it wasn't for them having you do propaganda. So he does, you know, he does all the greatest hits for guitar. It's happening with a lot of other influencers getting flown out to Israel. Also, a lot of the White House, same thing.

It's like, think about this, Julian. Let's say you're 24 years old, young guy, influencer, super risky to kind of do this. The White House invites you to the Pentagon? on, that's super sick. And then, oh, I get to meet Pete Hatsif and he's going to give me an interview for my YouTube channel. And maybe I could take a picture with Marco Rubio.

You think when they do that to you, you think you're going to report on them objectively? Come on. Come on. It's the same thing that the left did with the mainstream. This is what I'm saying. Yeah. And by the way, like the first tweet that comes up is like Laura Lumer. Who's cringe on the other side?

Don't get me wrong. But it's like blind squirrels are right. find a nut once in a while too. And that's what happened, especially when you get to that Middle East issue, oh my God, the two extremes of those sides. It's like, oh, just go to an island. That's a bad thing. Oh, look it.

Look down there. Go one more down. My first, Rod Smith from December 20205. Oh, my God. This is good. Like, how do you write this? Like, hold on. Hold on.

Before I read this, Jorge, he wrote this and read this back to himself and said that looks great. Press send. Okay, go up, Joe, don't mind? Yeah, please read this. All right, so my first trip to Qatar has been eye-opening. This is a very different Middle East than I experienced as a U.S. Army soldier deployed during Operation Iraqi Freedom. Long before I was a political commentator, media personality, and podcaster,

I was a United States soldier tasked with defending and protecting America. It is something that I've literally put my life on the line to do and something I take very seriously. This is my favorite line, which is about to read right now. You shouldn't have to preface with that, by the way. Did you know there's a U.S. Air Force Base in Qatar that hosts 10, 10,000 active duty American soldiers? I did not. Oh, that got Joe. I wasn't aware of a great deal of things about Qatar. Only misconceptions and half truce I'd read about online. When the opportunity was presented to me with full authority and autonomy to ask the tough questions of the officials I'd been meeting with and I did. Oh, he wanted to say he made sure he asked him tough questions. I decided to risk any potential criticism and to travel and experience it for myself. I spent days meeting with various American officials. station in Qatar as well as members of their government, speaking with congressmen and congresswomen about the complex geopolitical relationship and financial partnerships that Qatar has with the United

States, visiting the campus of Georgetown University based in Qatar, and encountering an Islamic population that is quite different from the far left radicals we're dealing with in the US of A. In the weeks and months before my visit, Qatar had been visited by patriotic American servants. I love when they say that, like Secretary of State Marco Rubio, Treasury Secretary of State, Terry Scott Besant, who apparently has a good right hook, or right hand, by the way, and of course, our 47th president, real Donald Trump. I am proud to follow in their footsteps in doing my part to understand Qatar, bringing my military and media experience and expertise to help our various ambassadors and American officials currently serving, helping to keep America strong by understanding

and highlighting the unique and mutually beneficial military and financial partnerships that we share with Qatar. It has been an eye-opening a few days, and I cannot wait to share more with you. Now, what you don't see is off-camera, if you just move the camera over a little bit, there's a 45 pointed at his head, and a dude, probably from

Qatar. How much they got to pay you to take a picture like that, huh? I mean this so nicely, this is not a shot, but like that's one of the pictures I've seen. Oh, I didn't know that they had a base in Qatar. I'm Ralph Smith.

And I'm a media expert. Joe, I don't know if we could even just scroll down a little bit on those replies. My boy, oh, he might have to shut those off because my boy got roasted. Yeah. Yeah. Look at Melissa Chan. Yeah. How on Irv is an Iraq vet.

Did you not know that there's a US Air Force basic guitar that whole, like, dude, come on. The Iraq war was launched from there. Somewhere Mike Ritalin's just like walking. We're living in a simulation, bro, a sci-op. So we got to laugh at this stuff. I'm glad that this episode happened today, Julian, that we get to do this and call this shit out. Because I, yeah, this. I love this.

Yeah. We've pissed everybody all. Yeah, yeah. Amazing. Oh, yeah. There's no where every, every sentence. Okay, what did you find, Joe? 11 countries paying U.S. TikTokers FARA filings.

So this would, this would require to be registered with FARA, which, you know. I don't know. I feel like the number 11 is doing a lot more. But they're doing it through the non-FARA filings. That's the point. Mexico. Me and you would be on a flight. Come on, man.

Qatar is at 2.8 million. Saudi at 4.1. UAE at 1.9. Going to skip a bunch of Russia at 9.7, 6, 6 YouTubers. And then in parentheses, indicted. And then Israel 900K, 14 to 18 creators.

But Israel has a lot of organizations that do not register with FAR. Boom. And, yeah, Robbster is a perfect example of an influencer who, you tell them, to jump he says how high sir i want to know actually i don't want to personally know and this is this

this is this this is this is this is this is a thing too julian is the reason i'm pointing this out i'm so kind of uh just raised about it is is is is rob smith is an influence or whatever but there's guys who then like to their audience they say i'm an independent journalist nope and then they do the same stuff they do these trips they uh they put on a nice uh fake body armor and a helmet and they They go to Israel and they fly to Gaza and they tell you that Gazans aren't starving, you know, and it's nice protected trip. And the White House has kind of figured a way to kind of crack into that influencer thing. So that's, I'm just pointing out, you know, watch out for when people say I'm independent journalist. Just call it, you know, just be, hey, I'm a conservative journalist, I'm a liberal.

You know, independent should be reserved for guys who are calling balls and strikes, not on a team. Hold on. But Rob Smith is a perfect example of all this. Hold on. Perfect example. The second word is even more important than the. independent, journalist. There you go. Like, we have righteously shredded the mainstream media left-wing journalism machine for claiming to be journalists for years now, as we should, because

they're not. They bastardize the word. But if I'm going to sit here and rip Rachel Maddow for calling herself a journalist, how am I not going to rip people like this just because they're in the independent side where I happen to be making the same fucking judgment from the other side on their own. And it's like I don't want to know how this feels personally at all to be clear, but I would love to be a fly on the wall the day that the slippery slope becomes a ski slope and they and they decide to jump over the cliff like this, right? And say, you know what? God damn, that check looks good. I think I'm going to take that. And you know what? But they probably say to themselves, No, but I'm doing the right thing.

I'm going to be on the right side of history. They're so psychotic, bro, that they have to lie to themselves and think they're on the, yeah, that they're doing the right thing. I don't know, Joey, if we could Google it or something, just put like Pentagon influencers. Yeah. That to me was insane. So, yeah, basically now these influencers that cover the Pentagon, they're basically giving is essentially like the thing that we made fun of. Like, as you said, Julian, when we call out the left of them basically getting, basically being PR for the Democratic Party, basically getting a statement, either reporting it. That's these guys.

These guys are now getting statements from the Pentagon. And they just report it to their audience. And I guess that's independent media. I mean... Yeah, it's... We're in trouble, man. And we've done it to ourselves. But you know what?

Julian, kind of starts like this, though. I mean, I mean, I'm not trying to be that guy. But it kind of starts with like, we kind of just got to start calling this shit out. You have to call this shit out, bro. If you love the game, I love the game, you know. So I got to protect the game in any way I can't. I love it, bro. So I'm going to...

I got to, like, start. speaking out against like there's no way I could let this fly by like I mean come on man you're an influence you you accepted the conditions that the Pentagon told you that you're taking selfies with peak hats of it's crazy it's fucking it is it is it is it is the same don't even give me same play and like and and also it's got to be said you know when you see Netanyahu fly into New York City and meet with a bunch of American born for the most part in influencers and talk to them about how we, referring to another nation, we have to get TikTok. We have to, Elon Musk is a friend. He's a friend. We have to get that. And you have these kids,

in many cases, who were born here, strategizing with him about how to influence the American public on a foreign government. And this is where I yell at all the Zionists and anti-Zionists alike. it is not a pick and choose problem. I don't point at the world and say everything's Israel's fall or I don't point at the world and say Israel's our greatest ally. I point at the world and say, they're a problem, they're a problem, they're a problem, they're a problem.

China, Qatar, Iran, Israel. I don't make a distinction because that's actually being America first. Yeah, yeah, true. And so when I see these cock suckers fucking accept stuff like that in our country with the guy who's killing thousands of kids

over there right now. And we do nothing about that. I don't give a fuck where he's from. It's unacceptable. And if you like it so much, go move there. Thank you, dear. Go fucking move there. Preach, bro. I'm done. This is my guy. I don't give a fuck what country it is. Joey, if we could Google, put like influencer Xavier Gaza. This is exactly what Julian's hitting on is these guys, bro, they dance to any, any tune. These guys, these guys right here, Julian, accepting money. put on a, this is the thing as a journalist, they put on a bulletproof vest and a helmet. Like they were in danger

at where the food pallets was. And they're going to lie to me and say, oh, all the Gossans are getting there. Play this for Julian. Please. Am I going to get really mad. Yeah. Please play this, bro.

I'm telling you right now. This is what it is to be a propaganda machine. These influencers reportedly paid to visit Gaza's GHF site. Oh, sorry. No, it sounds good. Yeah, we could play that, that, because, dude, they just like,

The way that they laugh and like they... Oh, leave it all. So we have eight minutes down to Joe at Chabazin. If I were Israel, I wouldn't even provide matching socks to Gaza. But here's all the aid that y'all claim doesn't exist. Share this with a friend. Yeah. Who continues blaming Israel for every hand.

And you know what's crazy? Cringe, Julie, and then their audience. Hey, man, thanks for doing real journalism. Look how cute. They gave my helmet. Look how cute they were. They're going fast. I'm here in Gaza.

is food, water, and opportunity. But instead of Hamas distributing the ramen noodles, they're eating at all, and that's why their leaders are on Ozambic. That's exactly Hamas' plan. I mean, do I have to say anything? Israel as the perpetrator of all of this. Doing propaganda, when in reality, it's a foreign government.

All right, that's enough. Yeah, and again, we, and to be, and to be clear, for everyone who's judging right now, we started off this whole loop by pointing out someone from the other side who's doing it. It's both sides doing this. It is fucking ridiculous. I don't want to hear about trans lives for Palestine. I don't want to hear that.

You'd be thrown off a fucking building there. I also don't want to see this shit. It's just, I don't care what country it is, man. Stop. And why? Like, stop. Dude, this is where the game's out, bro. And that would, dude, when I saw that one, that one had my blood boy.

Not only did they do the propaganda for a foreign country, But the way that, like, it's just so cute how they had the helmet in the body armor. Like, they were actually in danger. Oh, my God. I mean, so, hey, man, some people could collect that check and they put the smile and they could lie to the audience. I can't sleep at night, bro. I'd rather, I'd rather make no money be broke sleeping in my mom's house. But I could sleep at night, Island.

And I know that, hey, I'm telling my audience the truth of what I see on the ground. Oh, never. Come on. Sell in your souls. To go dance for Israel or foreign government, dude. Something. While we're bombing children. While we're bombing children.

And then to be heartless and be like, oh, they're on Ozempic. They're getting so much food. They're on Ozepak. It's crazy. Get out of here. Those people are celebrated. They're invited to stages and they speak. They're offered thousands of dollars at all the big conservative conferences.

It's how you make it in the game. Yeah. If you want to make it, follow that point out of. You're not a Hamas sympathizer, correct? Because that's what they're all going to call you now. Hey, put a bullet in all their heads. Don't get me wrong. Like it's, it's fuck everybody here.

It's not, you know. You think we're on a team role. Yeah. Yeah. I got no love for Hamas whatsoever. Let's just be very clear. I got the lighter. Julian's got the match.

We'll burn the fucking bridge out. It's like, dude. And my friend Eric Zooliger has an amazing fucking line. And I cite it all the time. People are not their governments. And so I always separate the people from what their governments are doing. In the case of the Palestinians in Gaza, it's a fucking terrorist vacuum group. It's not even a government.

It's just people that rule them with that. And I also see on both sides how the generational hatred forms. And I don't, I listen, I mean, this ain't saying much. I'm a fucking YouTuber. But like, I don't know how to solve that. I don't know how you remove that from literally like the DNA on either side. I don't know if you do, but it starts. It maybe starts like this, man, just like calling it out and just shame and shame and shaming

because, you know, that's really the only way. in a way, in a bit, it kind of happened with corporate media. They got shamed and like now they're trying to change it up a little bit and stuff. But I think calling it out for what it is. And, you know, to a lot of folks, if you're listening to this, like, if you're following an influencer, you know, just make sure that they're telling you the truth. A lot of these people lie to you because they get to wake up in silk sheets. They're making all the money in the world. They could give a F about it really informing.

So that's where the game's at. And now the politicians, bro, I've figured a way to, like I said, imagine you're 22 years. You know, you got someone of a decent following, you're traveling country, you're, you kind of got a little following. The White House sends you an invite. Hey, we have an influencer for a tweet where you get to meet JD Vance. You go and meet J.D. Vance. You take the picture. You posted on the grand man.

You know, you think that kid's ever going to hold that government or account? No, they're going to follow the messaging. And now, when something happens, the administration knows, hey, just reach out to them. They're going to follow the narrative. That's probably what happens with a lot of this stuff. So just watch out, man. The game right there is there's not a lot of guys I really truly call balls and strikes. I think Julian is like one of the few left in the podcast game.

But yeah, if you know, my thing, bro, what drives me is to be a storyteller. And people, you know, like I said, when I hit the ground, I covered the ground, as soon as the Black Lives Matter, right started. And right there, bro, I cut to see the difference of what the corporate media was reporting and what we saw. And it happens again and again on both sides So, you know, right now, man, it just kind of feels like in Minneapolis

So we're watching this like live sciop taking place Where Team Blue and Team Red are just getting their tensions filled up And we're almost at that point, man. But yeah, it's this influencer thing, bro, it's going to crack, crack, crack. So we got to call it out, bro, because it's basically like, it's the modern day propaganda now. Oh, it's 100% and I appreciate you saying that. I don't even blame people in the audience who will say this kind of thing.

But unfortunately, because of all the people like this, any time that you or I give an opinion that someone's going to disagree with that might be, not even an opinion, just like hear out. On my show, usually it's more like hearing out whoever's there. I become associated with that and therefore I'm an agent of so-and-so. I'm paid by so-and-so. And it's because there are literally people that have that happen all the time, that, people in the audience, righteously, unfortunately, their heads go to, oh, they must be paid or whatever. And it's very sad. This is what I mean by dragging down on all of us. So I'm so with you. And this is why we fucked with each other right away. Like when we met a couple years ago,

it's like, you know, you just want to go get it, bro. You want to get the story regardless of what it is. Like if it's bad, it's bad. Let's fucking report on it and let people figure it out from there. And those are the people I do my best to give a platform consistently to and to discuss things with it. It doesn't mean I'm going to agree with you on everything. That's the healthy part of it. But like let's hear it out and then let everyone else out there decide when you start getting all the money in the way and, you know, catering to certain special interests or and that's the other reason like with the politicians thing, I've, I've never done that. It's like you kind of lose the moment they walk in the room regardless of what you do. You do. Because it's like, why is he?

Yeah, right. Yeah. What's he having them in there? You know what I mean? And, you know, I don't, I don't say this to virtue signal at all, so I apologize if it comes across cringy that way. But sometimes I do wish people could, I could wear a GoPro and people could see the things that I turned down back here that would make me a fuck ton of money and would make me a lot

bigger than I am. And I know Joe will attest to that. I know Alessie will big time attest to that. and even Danny Gonzalez, who's been on our team for a few months, he'll attest to that. Like, Danny actually made it, I'm not going to say what it was, but he made an amazing clip today and it was one I didn't work on him with. And it's my fault because I didn't check on him with the content ahead of time. And it wasn't, he didn't purposely take anything out of context, but you make a 50-second clip.

The context can be changed by accident. And it was a great clip. Watch time was going to be insane. It was going to go. It's a banger. It's gone. We didn't post it. It's never getting posted.

Because I'm not going to say what it was. I'm not going to say what episode it was, but like, not his fault. He didn't know. But it was going to say something that was not representative. And like, I can't live with that. Doesn't mean I don't make mistakes. I have made some massive, massive mistakes. If you make a content, you're going to make a mistake.

You're going to follow your face. What I don't want to do is no I'm making a mistake. But see, dollar signs and say, I'll just, I'll make that mistake. And we'll, you know. And actually, Julian, I was talking to you about it a little bit off. camera. But that happens with influencers reporters, right? With the dollar signs, you kind of disassociate. But it happens a lot in the mainstream broadcast news where these reporters like disconnect even from a from a human element. And what I mean by that is I remember, you know,

just this past year for folks who don't know on July 4th is when that tragic news from Curville happened where the first news that first came out of Curville, for folks who don't know this is about an hour out of San Antonio, small Texas town. On July 4th, What kind of went viral first was 20 missing girls in Camp Mystic. And that kind of got like started hitting Twitter and no one really like, wait, these girls are missing. There's a, there's a flood. And then obviously like the story, the story starts going to make a rival.

Chrissy Nome puts a statement on X. Trump's going to search resources. And I was like the first national report to get to Curville when the info was very fresh. I remember when I got to Curville, it was like, hey, 10 are dead and we don't know how many are missing. And I remember on day two, I woke up and I already had that gut feeling of like, this is going to be a disaster. Like, like, this is going to be like just horrible, horrible. This would be major.

And I remember I woke up the second day. And it was like 30 are dead. And we don't know how many are missing. I remember like lining up for like live shots and just hearing how like other reporters were treating like these missing kids. Like if they were stats, man. And almost like gleeful like, hey, yeah, 20 people are missing. This is it. And just treated them like stats.

I was just like so I was so disgusting like how are you so in love with yourself in the camera you're not even realizing like a human moment of like what we're in right now a lot of reporters man when like these big stories kind of like curvil breakout and I hate this for them it's like this like career moment they like take selfies bro like there's there's families they're like there's families looking for like their loved ones and these guys are like taking pictures posting it on on Instagram like smiles on their face and like that I never never never, never want to get to that level. And I remember like when I got to Curvo, I just got that sick feeling. And I just like, you know what, horror? I'm going to do it's so different.

Man, I'm going to be super epithetic. I'm going to tell the story through the, to the lens of the of the Americans family members here. And I'm just not going to be this robot corporate reporting machine that looking like these people like they're not humans. And it just, it just changed the approach. It was just like disgusting, man. That kind of was like a real learning moment for me too, just to like, I don't want to ever reach that level. I always want to be down here. I'd never want to be how these guys are. So that's another thing, man. It's like these people get disconnected from,

first it starts maybe the money situation. You kind of like not relating to the average American. And then like I said, when I saw that in Curve, I was like, I don't know. I saw Reporters Man taking pictures together. I was just like, you are insane. I mean, there's people are literally looking for their daughter right now. I mean, my first moment in Curveville,

I remember I get to a neighborhood. And I speak to a neighbor who literally tells me, hey, worry, like that house right there, that, that, that, that, that's just a foundation, that was an entire family. They just got swept away within two minutes. We couldn't do anything with kids. And then I remember there was a guy, like a Hispanic guy going through the brushes.

I was like, who is that? And it was like, hey, that's Gustavo. He's looking for his one-year-old nephew right now. And I remember like that what was happening in Curville. And then, you know, now we find out it was like 120 kids died. Over 160 died. And you have journalists, like if they're covering the Super Bowl. So that to me is like, yeah, just never want to, never want to, you know, reach that, reach that level.

And I highly encourage people like to all that anyone listen. Like, don't forget about Curvo, man. Like that was a real powerful event. I left like not even the same person after my experience in Curvo. I was a first national reporter there. How many? How many died again? Over 106, over 120.

I think we're kids. I was the first. Yeah, yeah. I was first national reporter there when Greg Abbott did his press conference. So I write when the governor did. And then I was the last national reporter to leave. And I just really, really focused on, yeah, Texas Hill country. Yeah, it's at least 17.

Oh, man. Yeah, these were the infamous floods from last year. On July 4, 2025, destructive deadly flooding took place in the Hill County region of the U.S. State of Texas during the flooding water levels along the Guadalupe River. It rose rapidly. As a result, at least 135 people were killed. And at least 117 of them in Kirk County, the flooding was caused. by what does that say mesoscale convective vortex with enhanced tropical moisture.

I do want to say this though because like we're speaking about everything about like kind of what's going on in the country and the tensions. Like one thing that the obviously curvil was a was very tragic but like one thing that I did take away though is like and this is what I did love is like so many Americans flooded curbel that had no connection to that city. Didn't know anyone and just wanted to like help. You had people in there like I'm here to volunteer I don't care. I'm here to pick up trees, whatever. Whatever people need to donate food. And like, when you're there on the ground, see, online we're, it's tribal.

It's team blue, team red. We're fighting all the time. We fight every, every issue. But in there, man, you actually do see the true America. Like, real Americans coming together, helping each other out, like, get it, literally getting out the mud. They don't want the cameras on them. And like, still, bro, I don't, I don't forget that American spirit.

I remember, like, I was, like, working curvil and like this elderly couple came up to me. I'm like, who, you know, where you guys coming from? I'm like, oh, we were in vacation in like Sweetwater, Florida. But when we saw this, we just had it come down. We don't even know what we could do, but we're here. And so I just want to people like forget. Like, I know we focus on all that stuff. But like when stuff really hits the fan, that team blue, team red, that's done.

And Americans come for Americans, man. And I just remember leaving Kerver like just super like super touched by that. But the stories, oh, Julian, don't even sound realistic. Like I interviewed one lady who like woke up already bed floating, looks to her left and her Ford F150s already passed. her by him and basically praying to God and hung onto a tree for like 15 hours until somebody and you hear stories upon that I mean the amount of fathers that that that sacrifice themselves to save kids in their flood I mean that that you know so I highly encourage people like don't forget

about curvil um for me myself I'm going to be back in curvil later this year falling up with all the all those families I got like a huge connection to the city now and it changed me but um yeah like I just wanted to treat those families with respect, telling their stories. You do it. I've seen you cover a lot of stories. I've seen you cover other hurricanes as well. I've seen you cover some awful tragedies. And you do an amazing job of that.

And I think you are underlying an important point about the humanity leading first. And that's up, by the way, not for nothing. Like for the media members who do all the cringe shit, the guy who's like one of the biggest in the world is our friend Brian Enten. Yeah. Who has the same philosophy. you do. You lead, yes, you have to report the story. Yes, it's not great, but there is an empathy you have to have for the families involved and for the people there on a personal level, so much

so that, and I know you're the same way. Like, he keeps in touch with all the people from these stories, the millions of stories he's covered because it touches them in a certain way. And when you see people who are just competing for the it bleeds, it leads, the fear, the fucking anxiety of some horrible stories so they can get clicks and get their fucking face out there and shit. It is, it's, it's a horrible thing. And it's, you know, let's not exonerate like what I got to do here. Like, I got to think about that too with stuff. I may not be, I'm not on the scene like you, which is a whole different level.

But when I go to cover a story that's serious and we're doing it like right then, yeah, there's like this rush of like, oh, shit, like this is happening. We got to get this out. You know, there's that business aspect to it. but I always before a podcast like that will take some time and center myself you know maybe it's like 10 20 minutes and just remember like yo a lot of I'm not I can't see it right now because I'm not there but like a lot of people are dying a lot of people might die after this as well right these are these are mothers sons friends brothers whatever it is and like that needs to be yeah we're going to we're going to do this podcast right but that needs to be what's at the lead in

the head here. And Brian's super good at that man. He really leads with that. Brian's one of the best in the biz. Always looked up to him. And that's why like people all over America trust them. You know, like that's why like Brian, Brian just, daddy, Brian. Yeah, yeah. He's like news daddy, man. Yeah, I was down in, I was like two, it was like two, I was like a year or two ago. I remember like down in Florida for something. And then like, Brian came up and people were like, oh yeah, Brian's household name here. He's a, he's a killer. But yeah, it's just, it's just, it's You know, media is also changing, man. And like those stories, I think, are so super important to tell.

I think I started getting that feeling when back in 2020 during the COVID shutdowns, me and Sognik, who you had on the show before. My mutual friend with you, the boy, Saug, by the way, shout out to Sognik Psu. He's killing it right now. He has introduced me to a lot of people over the last couple years. Oh, he's very tapped at the game. And just one of the best guys. I've been on his show a couple times and we've replayed some videos on the channel as well.

But Sognik's a great, dude. And yeah, like in 2020, when there was like, when all the businesses were shutting down, me and Saigon made a short dog call takeout only. We did this beautiful thing where we just interviewed a bunch of restaurant owners, waiters, about literally earning nothing during the shutdown and how they were surviving. And like, we focus on that while the corporate, when you turn on corporate media, all they cared about was COVID cases. And they were just playing it like ESPN.

First of all, that is, that's not even, like, that to me is insane. Could you imagine if your grandma dies, you turn on CNN and she's just, Oh yeah, just another tick. Like a number. Just a number. Like that's the mindset that a lot of reporters were at in Curvo. So we always just had that approach where like whatever corporate media is missing, let's find that other angle and let's tell true American stories.

And in that process of interviewing all those like, we're talking about to lose everything, their dreams everything that they've built. And I remember interviewing one waiter who's making nothing. And he goes like, Jorge, this is not even the worst of it. I'm like, what do you mean? He's like, I got to go home to my suicidal, daughter now. I'm like, what are you talking about? He's like, I got a daughter who's, you know, 10 years old, all-star in sports, all-A's, and, you know, six months into the shutdown, like, she's now cutting

herself. She's talking about deleting herself and she can't look me in the eyes anymore because of social isolation, like, I don't know what to do. And then that kind of started this whole whole other thing. And me and he started a whole other thing. All we did was spend time with kids kind of on that, on that verge and speaking to parents. And we got to put something together on that too. So back then. Yeah. And then the cool thing I think I was talking to you about it,

Julian is for my new YouTube channel is I'm gonna do a thing where I'm gonna re-unite with all these kids who were like on the verge of wanting to harm themselves. And just seeing six years later like how life looks now, how do they view the world? How do they, you know, remember, you know, they grew up in a time where like, no high school, no prom, no graduation, probably not working. Like just everything was shutting down. Politicians telling you stay home, stay home while, you know, you. know, Gavin Newsom was cracking wine in Napa Valley.

And one of the more powerful stories was that is the, is a Braiding family. This is a family who reached out to me. They're from Vancouver, Washington, and their son shot himself, shot himself in the mouth with their grandfather's gun. And ended up surviving, had less than a 3% chance to live, went up to Vancouver, Washington, met the family, told that story. But at that time, I never got to meet. His name is Nick. I never got to meet Nick because he was already in the ICU. So this will this time around will be our first time.

But once again, like these stories, man, are super powerful. Like you've got to really put up together. So just trying to shine a light on like those huge stories that corporate media misses and just trying to, you know, kind of get in a pulse. Like I said, Gen Z, I think is going to have a massive, massive play in the way they view politics and stuff. It's going to be super fascinating. They're going to be the most fascinating generation, I think, in a while. Because you mentioned it earlier correctly so, what they lived through.

I know like when Tyler Oliver was in here, we were like. it out but just to repeat that for people in here episode 363 it's like if you are like the peak of gen z right so gen z starts in roughly 96 97 but you know even that but if if you're born in like 2000 what is your life your life is 9-11 which you don't even remember right a bunch of wars that once you have your first memory we just had a bunch of fucking people over there and you were getting death toll counts from troops every single day in wars that were going the wrong way for America, the fucking Hurricane Katrina time and then the blow up of the Bush trainee White House at the end when shit was just completely ruined from every level. You have the financial crisis

of 08, so you learned when you were maybe eight or nine years old watching your parents lose a job and suddenly they were so stressed and maybe they divorced over it or even something worse. And then you start to realize that like you can't afford basic things because now you don't have any money. And then suddenly all the rich people started recovering on the other side because they had money to put in the fire to be able to actually invest in it, but everyone else got left behind. And then the political divide that formed out of that created this huge left-right thing with the Tea Party and the Wall Street Occupy Wall Street movement in 2011, which then turns into this 2015-2016 vortex of like the Trump dynamite in the middle of Washington, D.C. Then you live through those four

basically reality TV show years that were going on for better or worse. That's not a political statement. It's just like what it was. That culminates. with fucking COVID where you got to go home. You can't fucking touch grandma. She's in the hospital, let alone go visit her. And you know, you suddenly are disconnected from everyone and you lose some prime years of your life. Maybe it's high school or college, whatever you're in at that time. And then you get out of it and now the economy doesn't have jobs for you because AI's coming in. And suddenly we're talking about getting into other wars while you're having a censorship regime come in with open borders and letting in everyone else and taking care of them

without taking care of the people who have been here for a long time. You're pretty fucking pissed off at this point. There's no good there. There is no good that has happened in your life at that point. And the fact that like pundits and people from other generations can't recognize this pattern to see why Gen Z feels some of the strong ways they do is embarrassing because the answers are all right there in front of your fucking face. Dude, it's sad. I don't know if we could Google it, Joey. I think it's like Gen Z now is like more Gen Z is going unemployed now. It's easier for them to be unemployed living at mom and dad's house and actually like working and trying to survive. I think right now we have like here in the U.S. record number of able-body men, just smoking weed, playing video games, living at their parents' house, no desire to get a job.

Like, this system's crumbling. And when you have all these individuals, especially men, with no purpose, young men, we're going to see kind of the societal kind of collapse. Go to college, it's majority. Women going to college, men are struggling in college. It costs, what, 60 grand a year now? And they're never, look, yeah, see, for Gen Zero's work is more depressed. than unemployment. I mean, this is a recipe for disaster. I mean, where's the executive orders for this? Where's the executive orders for, is Gen Z ever going to own a home? I mean, I'm a

millennial. I'm a millionia. It's very difficult to find a 30-year-old that owns a home. I don't own a home. It's even, it's even worse for someone in Gen Z. Like, I, you know, this is like a disaster. This is to me a huge, huge issue because this compounds to the other things because now life is too expensive for Gen Z to get married. Let's say you're Gen Z, you meet a nice girl, you go to NYU, you're 21, 22. You both want to get married, but you're both grab up with the debt. You're going to have to live in this super small apartment. You can't have kids really, obviously.

There's nowhere to place to different family. And all of a sudden, you're literally just living to survive in your whole life is now just survival mode. I mean, I don't know how you look at this and don't tell me this is a recipe for disaster. I know in politics, we like to fight about all the big headlines, but to me, these are those underlying issues where it's about to crack. top of that we have a sci up in Minneapolis

we got a brewing civil war it's almost there man you know these protesters ice I mean this to me like if you're Gen Z I would feel like how am I gonna make it in the game I guess I gotta go to Israel and say no one's starving

I'm sorry I knew it was coming I knew it was coming it's like it's ready to laugh but Jill you get my pulse on this I 100% get your pulse you you it almost feels like me it's a plan, Jorge Ventura.

Jesus Christ, but... It almost feels like that's all a part of the plan. And then, yeah, rich are getting richer. I mean, both sides don't really care. The establishment, I mean, both wings. We come on, Joe, we all know the pendulum's going to swing the other way. Hey, we'll give you this and that.

But, I mean, this is a, like I said, disaster. I don't know if you can find the one, Joe, that article of the evil body man. I know we have, like, that to me is it. There's just smoking weed, chilling in mom's house, no desire. You know, and then, you know, I don't know, man. It's, then you got women graduating from college at record numbers where, like, men are just kind of being left out. I mean, if people think that's a recipe for success for our society, then you sign me up.

You said something in there that's the most important thing of everything, though. You alluded to the fact that children and reproduction, which is the literal, most basic evolutionary aspect of us as a species, has become, and I understand this, sadly. a financial decision. Because people have to look at it and go, oh my God, it costs bup, bup, up, bup, up, up, up, up, and have bup up for a kid. And then what if I can't get a job? And then what if I have to lose my job?

And then what if we, I can't pay my college debt? Like, yeah, Mike Rowe warns of troubling trend among working age men says trades are the answer that which ties in. And Rowe's been saying, he's like, dude, I got companies contacted me. Hey, I need 10,000 guys to do this. I can't find them.

And Rose is like, they're not out there. They're not out there. So, like, think about this. I mean, Julian, if you're a young guy, you're 23, you meet a nice lady. You guys have a, let's say you guys have a kid. Maybe you weren't planning to, but then you do. All of a sudden, you're literally just working. So your child's in a daycare.

You're not even raising your own kid. Someone else's. And, I mean, look, people could say all they want, but like, Mandami won because his social, his media, his messaging reached an economic message saying, I will give you that daycare. I mean, you could, people want to make fun of it. Well, what's the Republican solution? You're not really offering folks anything.

Of course, they're going to vote for Mondami. They're fighting to survive. Hey, you'll give me free health care. I'll take it. You know, I don't care if I'll get taxed over here. I'll take that any day. So that's what I'm saying. That's their viewpoint.

And now you can't even like raise a family United States. Look, I'm Salvadorian. I'm 30 years old. Like my dad crossed the, like when he came to the border legally, like my dad raised a whole, we had a nice middle class life all on one truck or salary. We weren't, we weren't rich. We weren't poor. We had a nice middle class life.

in Downey, California, my mom could stay home. She didn't have to work, so she could stay home and raise us. And if we want to go on vacation once a month, I mean, once every summer, we could do that. That was kind of like the American dream. Now the dad, who's a trucker, is maybe killing himself working 18 hours a day. The mom now is probably working two hours a day. Now she's not really involved in her kid's life. And then, I mean, I just don't think the whole system is really to raise a family in the United States.

It's becoming nearly impossible. It's a huge problem. And I very much look forward to having to. kids it has not happened yet it will at some point here and i'd like to have several i'm gonna have to figure out what mrs julian thinks of that but you know like that's that's something i really look forward to doing but part of also what i'm doing right now is trying to build a foundation also to be able to do that and not have to worry about it and i say that as someone who does not want to give my kids money at all i want my kids to make their own way and shit like that but like also to be able to

raise them correctly and you know a huge goal of mine depending on where society goes with the future of our institutions, which I do have to say, would be to make sure that, like, my kids have no college debt and stuff like that. I mean, I see that and what that is. That was, like, to me, and I couldn't understand it at the time, but, like, I wasn't an only child by my parents' choice. My mom had, like, 16 miscarriages. She really wanted to have a big family. It didn't happen. I'm the only unlucky thing that happened to her. But, you know, there are a lot of downsides to being an only child, but there are a lot of upsides too. And to me now, with some age and understanding and seeing where society is, I think one of the biggest upsides that I got, if not the biggest,

was the fact that I did not carry college debt. If I had had siblings, I would have had college debt. But because I was an only child, my mom would prioritize my education over everything, right? And so, which I'm extremely grateful for. And so to me, leaving college like that is essentially, in my opinion, like being halfway down the third baseline. So it adds another level to me with like success where I'm saying to myself like, what the fuck is my excuse? There's no excuse. Like, I have that advantage. So fucking, like I've been gifted with that.

Go take it. You know what I mean? And I shouldn't have to say that. Like I should not live in a society where. people go and sign something when they're 17 because they got three siblings and their parents are doing their best but can't afford to cover all their education. And then that affects every decision they make about their life over the next 20 years of their life, which stops them from doing the things and pursuing the dreams that they want to do, which is a legitimate issue

that happens far too often. And it's not those people's fault. Man, dude. That's so spot on. I am so lucky, bro, that the only reason I didn't graduate with any college debt is that daily caller gave me a job while I was in community college and I dropped out. I was, I just said, fuck it all. I said, fuck it, man. And I'm hearing some of my friends, I'm like, oh, I cannot relay, bro. Yeah, I'm trapped 30, 40. I'm like, ooh.

Yeah, what'd you set when you went to go get hired by Daily Callers and as an intern, what did you say to them? Oh, this is great. So I got the opportunity to come to D.C. for the first time, May 2020. And I meet my boss at that time, Richie McGinnis in front of the Daily Collar Building, Washington, D.C. and I go to reach his to go shake his hand and I just shake his hand

and I look right in the eye and I go, Richie, I'm Jorge Ventura, nice to meet you. I just want to let you know I'm a crazy motherfucker. Send me anywhere. And Richie, Richie kind of like laughs

and he looks at me, he goes, I like that. All right, all right. Yeah. We work with that. And little do we know, man, like two days later, the George Floyd riots would start.

I don't know if you could Google it, Joey. If you just put riot diet, is Richie's, book, but this guy was my boss. But yeah, man, he didn't ever, yeah, it was, it was fucking. But yeah, but shout out to Daily Collar, bro, because of them, your boy dropped out a community college, so I never had to go to UC Norfridge, never had to get a debt. Also, shout out to Daily Collar at that time.

Every other company was like, you can get an internship here, but we need you to take the shot, sir. And Daily Caller was like, we don't give a fuck. We just want you to rock and roll. And Richie was one of the witnesses in the Kyle Rittenhouse case. Richie McGinnis, yes. So, Richard McGinnis was my video kind of boss director at The Daily Callet.

Man is a genius when it comes to media, news stories, and all that stuff. We hit the ground, me and Richie together in Seattle when the whole Chaz thing started. They create that atonim in his zone. And it was so dangerous because anyone that would go in there and film, they were knocking your lights out.

That's why no local reporters are going there, no national reporter. So Richie comes out with this awesome idea. He goes, hey man, I got an idea. I'm an intern at this time, bro. This is my boss telling me this. He goes, Hoaree, let's go to a liquor store. Let's buy a bunch of white claws.

Let's get a bunch of sigs. And let's just start, like, ripping white claws, ripping sigs, passing them out. Let's just act like hippies. And no one would think we're reporters. So my boss is telling me to drink on the job and be a hippie. I'm like, let's do it. So then we started doing that, bro.

And it worked to the tea. People put their car down. Right. And then we started filming all the disaster that was going on. She started to resist. Resist. Do all the greatest sins. All cops are bastards.

got that one in there. And yeah, we basically became, now it's known as the riot squad, the DC Riot Squad, but we became the first reporters to crack the corporate media narrative on Black Lives Matter because when I hit the ground, it was still the narrative was, this is 100% peaceful. And I hit the ground in D.C. And they were burning up small businesses, assaulting business owners. I watched this photojournalist get his head stomped.

and so I started becoming the first reporter to break that move. Oh yeah, you were there for that. That was a famous video. I was in D.C. for the very first Black Lives Matter protest to the point they were fighting secret service. About 2000 were outside the White House midnight,

fighting secret service. They had to put Trump under a bunker. And that was my first story. I hit it as an intern, boom, and then we kind of hit it off. But Richie is just, he's one of the best in the biz. I highly recommend people to read the book. He was one of the key kind of star witnesses in the Renthouse trial.

We were on the ground for Renhouse. Richie was in front. It's fucking crazy, man. He was in front of the guy Rosenbaum. So when Renhouse shot, Rosenbaum gets hit in the head and drops in front of Richie. And Richie, like, at that moment, bro, like, your body does fight or fight. It doesn't know what's going on. So Richie took off his shirt, strapped it on Rosenbaum's head, picks him up and, like, some random truck drives by.

They hop in the truck. And then, I don't know, you know, the guy ends up dying. in his arms. And I was there that night. And I remember like when that's that moment went down with Renthouse, bro, Kenosius is a small town. When Renthouse shot, people thought that that guys were in cars just lighting up everyone. So when so people were running up to me, get in the hotel. They're shooting at everyone. I'm like, what? So I run into my hotel and I'm trying to call Richie and, you know, little did I know that, you know, he's dealing with Rosenbaum and, and that whole thing. But yeah, it's one of the most insane times. And I think one thing that you appreciate

Julian about Richie is and I won't say who but a lot of folks on the right wanted him to grift off that and become famous and become like that guy and Richard was like dude you guys don't get it man it's like real real people died that day it's not something we like celebrate and then what I crazy and then dude oh i got to tell you this that julian so then later that later that year because I'm with the daily caller so I cover obviously the conservative events for the daily caller I go to Amfest TPSA that year and there's no rumblings that rent house was was going to show up up like no one knows that he was going to come and because written house kind of has been hiding since since the snowsha shooting so is this after i'm sorry is this after he's found not guilty

so this is after he's found not not not guilty right so november 21 yeah so i i go to um you know i go i go to um amfess to do reporting go interview budget congressman for the caller and you know we're we're in that area where like all you know the whole crowd's at ridhouse shows up you would have thought, you would have thought Drake pulled up to Amphist. The way that those crowds flooded this kid who was like 18 year old at the time, who's, I guess, famous for shooting and, I mean, I guess this makes you famous. They flooded this kid. Every influencer conservative, no matter how big their following was,

when Rinnhouse stepped in, turned into a fan girl. All the women that were flooding Rinn House, oh my, you know, people on live, hey, my mom went to say hi to you, you're a hero. with this and that. And then somehow I got a buddy. He got me a backstage pass in Tampa. So I go backstage. And I'm just studying humans, bro.

Because I'm just love to observe. I'm not on the right or left. I don't care. But I'm watching how this kid is being propped up. And I'm in backstage and I'm looking at Renthouse. And I can see that the moment is too effing big. It's too much. He's like, he's like sweating.

He's kind of pacing. Too many, so many people are saying what's up. It's like getting too much. He's realized like, dude, I'm about to hit the main stage with. like Charlie Kirk. And it's getting too much. And like they finally get on a handler to like block off the people. And I'm just looking at this kid. I'm like, dude, he's 18, man. He's 18. He's going through so much. And then there was this moment, bro, where like, Rinnhouse gets to go, he's about to walk the stage. So then I'm like, you know, let me, let me take a video of this.

So I followed him, you know, right shot, you know, I'm taking a shot of just him walking up and hitting the stage. So Rinnhouse walks up, hits the stage, fireworks go off. And I just, you know, I take the video, then I go to X and I just post like a, you know, neutral cab hey written house like the stage at emphasis blah blah blah the video goes viral but both sides take it the right takes it and goes this guy's awesome he's a hero he's he's he's a second amendment guy so the right takes it bro and they they obviously turn it into like this red house is super sick the left takes my video and it's like these guys are cycles they're celebrating a killer so they just kind of they both took my video bro and and took whatever political

narrows but what i appreciate though at at least that time bro is Richard was always hiding. He was not looking for cloud. He was not looking for fame. He, bro, he could have made millions of dollars. Good for him. But he stuck to just rather, you know, but this kind of goes back to what I was saying, Julian is some people, bro, in this world that we're in, they just disconnect.

Maybe it's the fame that clicks something. And they're not even like operating on just a human level. And Richie was always there. He always stayed center, never wanted anything from it. And it was just like, he just thought. it was like I did too he thought it was psycho people wanted were inviting him to speak about it yeah no it's it's crazy I actually I remember I got COVID really bad when that trial was going on and I and so it was like a week where I had to cancel guests that were coming in so I had to do a solo

I went and got like those monoclonal antibodies my doctor was like go get those and they like worked really well but at the you know this is like still like peak COVID time and so I had to do a solo episode for the first time at that point in like 60 episodes it was episode 75 and I haven't like gone back and reviewed that tape but I remember my opinions from it and then I remember a lot of the commentary I got from people saying ah something looking at this in a balanced way and I still stand by what I thought I I really believe I had the right take there it was like when you look at the case the kid did act in self-defense and you know not that this matters for proving murder or not the the guy that he killed was also a pedophile too which you know adds an angle to it but like he's acting in self-defense and all that he also never should have been there he never should a 17 year old shouldn't fucking grab his gun get in the car drive across state lines and go try to be a fucking hero at some event you know wearing fucking shooter gloves and shit in the middle of that so like I'm like Like, it's wrong that the, I felt it was wrong.

The kid was put on trial and it was correct that he was found not guilty. And he's a young kid. He made a mistake of wrong place, wrong time. He should be able to go live his life. Live and let live. Nothing personal. But like the whole deification of him over that, you know, that's why I like appreciate Richie's viewpoint on this because, you know, I'm sure there's massive PTSD there as well.

like he witnessed a dude you know there's a there's a ugliness to just the human element when something like that happens regardless of what the motivations are who does it or why to do it but like you know i felt like exactly as you did the left is wrong to try to say send this kid to prison for life that that's just legally wrong and the right felt the right felt like again the pendulums they had to feel like they had to have the opposite response no not only is that wrong he's a hero too. And it's just, you know. It was also singling because like after that, like you could,

you could see all these like conservative podcast hosts, how they basically had a red house doing the rounds. And I'm just like, you guys know what you guys are doing. You're just using this kid for clout. Really quick, bro, could I piss? I don't could do it. Hell yeah, because I was just going to ask you as well. We'll be back.

We got to talk cartels, yeah, yeah, yeah. Iran and a few other things. We'll be right back. All right, we're back. So we haven't gotten into like the cartels or like we touch it from a political perspective but like some border stuff which you've done a lot of stories on this and you've also like you're plugged in in that world you're the reason katerina sholtz got on this podcast which thank you for that that worked out well for everybody involved we got ed on we got ed on as well john norris so and

oh yeah you got john norris too so boy dude john you know what's up and there's a lot of shit going on but right now you know i've had some different guys on recently where we've talked cartels there's some different perspectives because people hear different things But obviously, especially post the El Mio thing, Sinolo is having their faction wars. And so that's caused them to lose some power and everything. But right now with these narco terrorists, as the United States has declared them, you know, who are like the power five? And roughly, what are they doing right now that you're hearing? So right now, the, the too big that I'm hearing is, okay, so like, there's nothing new.

But like right now, Sinolo cartels still involved in their own, uh, civil. war. So you got like Los Chapitos versus the El Mio faction. The issue for the El Mio faction is that one El Chapo's son, I believe, is Ovio, he could be singing really quick. He might, he's going to have a hearing really soon and he can start to reveal some of the secrets from the other side. So they're going to, I expect the crackdown. Like I feel like right now, the Sinaloa cartel from from what I'm gathering is at its weakest point ever because you have the pressure of the United States. When we started learning about the CIA drone flying, it was flying off the coast of Sinaloa.

So you end there in the middle of a civil war. You have also the Mexican administration feeling that pressure from the administration. So they're cracking down heavy. What I found interesting to Julian was last year, it was the first time that I saw HSI, like H.S Homeland Security Investigations. Their agents did a co-operation with Mexican forces in Sinaloa. So they've got, they're gathering in town. So I think Sinaloa is going to fall.

It might not fall. fall. Not may not fall complete, but they're at a very weak point. We'll see kind of the way it goes. And it can splinter to something else. I think people need to forget like, just because of cartel falls, it can still splinter. And so another paramilitary group, we saw that with Los Zetas. But right now, Carthal-Halizco, never Hennercion, is the most powerful number one. Yeah, CJNG. Yeah, C. And G. They are now, we're learning from new reporting. They were responsible for killing the Yuripan mayor, who was like super outspoken against the cartel violence. They infiltrated his inner circles, the security. guards and they're the ones that came up with the murder. Uh, CJ and G, the reason that makes them powerful as of this moment is that they have, uh, dealings with so as a Sinoloa cartel, but not the way this CJ and G with, uh, the Chinese chemical makers of the precursors for fentanyl. So right now, there's an agreement with the cartels.

Basically, the Chinese need Mexican cartels, the access to Mexico. If you actually just even look up China and Mexico's relationships getting very, very cozy. something to watch for. But they need them for the access to Mexico to then traffic fenced it on into United States. But the most important thing is they need access to Mexican banks. And then Mexican banks need the access to Chinese banks for the money laundering. So right now on the issue of illegal marijuana, basically kind of the underlying agreement is the Mexicans are going to let the Chinese run the black market marijuana businesses in the United States. So they're essentially going to let them have at it.

And they're slowly going to get out of that. And that's why the Chinese are flooding. the illegal marijuana like crazy, sending money to China through multiple banks. A lot of lawyers are involved, a lot of phony stuff. Maine is becoming like a hotspot. Try a answer. And Bob, that had Steve Robinson in. He's awesome.

I was just in Oklahoma again. And it's almost 99% are Chinese. So they're going to have the access to the illegal marijuana market. There's a lot of reasons Chinese need that because of the black market funding. And also they brought in a bunch of Chinese nationals through the border, something I was heavily covering. And the thing is now the Mexicans need that still need that access. to those chemical precursors to keep that kind of drug pipeline alive right now. So that's something to watch for.

So there's a lot of munder laundering between the two. It was fascinating. I was just speaking with some authorities in Northern California. Northern California has been infamous with the illegal marijuana with Mexican nationals, cartels, but that's come over to almost completely Chinese run. And we're now getting the first reports of these kind of Chinese chemicals, making it from China and through Mexico into these marijuana grows. And it's a big deal because all of these grows always had illegal pesticides and chemicals coming from Mexico.

And these chemicals, you need them to protect the plant. So it's a lot of fascinating crossover between the two. Just if you just look at Mexico and China, just like the countries themselves, it's getting easier now for Chinese nationals to fly to Mexico without a visa. I, for my... Fly to Mexico without a visa. Yeah. I cover a lot of the, you know, I report in Tijuana a lot. So I always cross on foot from the San Diego Sanisidro Port of Entry into Tijuana.

And like always, obviously when you cross a port of entry, like all of the signage is going to be in English, right? Because it's like Americans going in. Now you go and like half of the signage signages in Mandarin. If you go to Tijuana, I was just in Tijuana like a few days ago meeting with a couple of fixers. Half of Tijuana looks like it's in Beijing now. Filled with Chinese nationals. Mexicali is even worse. Mexico is like total China now.

So there's... So we're still having. Now, you're reporting a lot of stuff. Like, my, my reporting is closer. Like, it follows the cartel, but if I always, my reporting is always falling closer that Chinese Mexican cartel relationship and how it plays over in the United States. I know other reporters, like, strictly just follow cartel in Mexico and all that cool stuff, but I'm American.

So I got to, I kind of, and I did the China thing as I was found fascinating because I was the first reporter in 23 to break the surge when they were reaching South Texas. I got a tip off that Chinese nationals were reaching McAllen, particularly by an 1,000% spike. And I was the first reporter to get an actual interview with a Chinese national who told me we're paying cartels up to 35 grand to basically cross through Mexico and into the United States safely. The whole system at flight in Ecuador, that already went viral. Bro, yeah, you laid that out last time. Perfectly, bro.

It went viral for us. You know what was weird about that clip, though, Jorge? So it got to over $10 million in like two days on my channel, and then it got ripped and shared all over the yeah i got and then it got censored so it was doing a hundred 20 000 an hour with a watch time of fucking 110 11 percent and i've looked through enough fucking numbers over the last six years to know when things go wrong and it went down from 120 immediately within two hours down to fucking 200 and being shown to no one which was very interesting and what you reported was the whole system to get through south america across the dairy and gap

all the way up into Mexico around and to the border to then get on the other side and have this system in place that basically allows us to lose them, where people either become straight up spies for the regime, they get taken into basically indentured servitude to serve on these different weed farm, illegal weed farms and stuff like that, or they go somewhere else in the country

according to the directions they get and we never see them again, and maybe they set up base, you know, close to a military base. That's no other issue. I don't know if we could really quick, Joey, if we could Google like, just put like, just put like, Mexican-Chinese illegal marijuana banks.

Like the connection to me, bro, is fascinating. I think that's the one thing that's getting super slept on. I know it's always sexy to look at like, oh, a mile capture in civil wars and they're killing this mayor. That Chinese-Mexican connection is damning. And the thing is, what's scary with the Chinese is when I was coming across them at the border, they all had this system where they were ripping and burning their IDs at the border. So they're coming to the United States. We don't know who they are.

And even if they had a passport, when the United States looks them up, China's not going to share any background information with the United States government. There is, yeah, here it is. How Chinese networks are using U.S. banks to launder drug cartels cash. This is September 2nd, 2025 from Corona, the brief. The Treasury Department warned last week the Chinese money laundering networks are moving billions of dollars through U.S. financial institutions for Mexican drug cartels, helping enable the flow of deadly fentanyl into the United States,

the financial crimes enforcement network advisory and financial trend. analysis detail the vital role, in quotes, that the Chinese networks now play for groups including the Sinaloa Cartel and Cartel Day, Helisco Nueva Generacion CJNG, both of which the U.S. designated as foreign terrorist organizations earlier this year. Chinese money laundering networks are global and pervasive and must be dismantled. Director Andrea Gaki said in a news release, she urged banks to flag customers suspected of laundering cartel funds. And again, I have to Just to note the wrench here, Julian, I've been speaking with some law enforcement folks who, obviously, they're cracking down on this. They think Trump's rescheduled a marijuana is going to make it actually a lot worse for them.

It's going to open up that black market more. It's going to flood. And like I said, the Chinese are heavily involved with the Mexican cartel. I don't know why this little story just can, it's got completely slept on. It's super tied to the illegal marijuana. I'm telling you right now, you go to up in North Cal, go to Oklahoma. It's dwindling the illegal marijuana that are operated by Mexican nationals, all going to the Chinese. And one of the ways, one of the early stories in addition to happen to be covering the fucking riots that were going on the second you started at Daily Color, one of the early things that helped you break through that you outlined the last time you were in here was the fact that you were able to track down a bunch of these illegal grows and plants in California and film it and make a documentary with Sognick about it back in 2020, 2021, where, you know, there were car chases and stuff and people trying to get you off armed and shit like that.

Like it's been around and there's no, when we got John Norris in here, thanks to you, like, you know, he was onto this in fucking 2003 when he was running fishing game. Yeah, or 2004 or something like that. John's part of got shot in the fucking knee by the Mexican Nationals, AK-47, armed to the, and then I was in 2003. Then I meet John and then we worked on a documentary together. And then John's like, horror, I can't even believe this got a hundred times worse. And the thing is when John was dealing, it was strictly a Mexican problem. When we started. to do in our doc, we started to get the Chinese element in it out of, at that time, it was San Bernardino County and it spread. Then I get a call to go to Oklahoma. When I touch out Oklahoma, it was game over. 99% of those illegal girls in Oklahoma, Chinese. And you got lawyers getting these guys fake permits. They're smuggling Chinese nationals to work on.

Fake permits. Yeah, like getting fake marijuana permits lawyers. So a lot of like the Chinese government and the CCP, they're basically paying off American lawyers, attorneys to get these fake marijuana permits in Oklahoma, and then they're also smuggling Mexican Chinese nationalists to work on the grows. They're also smuggling Chinese national women to have sex with the workers. There's some sex rings in these marijuana grows. This is to me one of the biggest stories, and I'm talking to a lot of law enforcement. They think the rescheduling of marijuana is going to make this black market like just flood because

it's going to make it harder to crack down. It makes it harder to how? For people out there who see it go from Schedule 1 to Schedule 3, which regardless of what you're going to say next, the fact that it was ever Schedule 1 is insane. However, what is like the, I don't know, science behind the fact that it will make this particular problem so much worse now that it's a Schedule 3 versus Schedule 1? So what I'm hearing from Los Foreseman is it's going to be much harder to get a warrant to then raid an operation. And if they do raid an operation, they need to find like hard evidence of human trafficking

weapons or something to tie it to an actual crime. they don't, they're just basically, it's just marijuana plans and they could just leave. So like in California, what kind of open up the floodgates is the illegal marijuana operations were all happening on public land. So they'd be happening like Yosemite National Parks, National Park. But when they decriminalized it and then you could basically do it in your home, they basically, what I, this is like John told me is like essentially could use a concept, criminals can use a constitution against you because now you need a, it's a whole process to get to that,

to that grow. But up in, like I said, California. exploded. It all went up to northern Oregon, southern Oregon, and then Oklahoma was like never on the radar. Now Oklahoma has an issue. I know you just had Steve Arbor with the main. So it's getting these other states and like all these long. The main shit's crazy. Yeah. And then now I think like Massachusetts is like kind of pulling, pulling back on the legalizing weed in some areas. But I think this to me continues to be one of the most underrated stories. I got to see both sides of it. I got to see the illegal marijuana grow, and then I actually got to be on the border when I saw the tens of thousands of Chinese.

Tens of thousands. Tens of thousands. I was the first reporter, 2023. I was in South Texas. I don't know if you could go on my ex, Joey. You could just put like Jorge Ventura, and we could just put like Chinese nationals and search. But like in 2023, I was the first reporter to start reporting on the surge in South Texas. We get the, that's where we find out the Ecuador and the price tag.

I then get to San Diego to an area called Jakuba Haw Springs, an hour out of San Diego north. And then that's the area that it hit by the tens of thousands. They came in flooding. And then the Chinese were like, oh, yeah, we're crossing in. The cartels taking care of us. And then we fly to Cancun. From Cancun, we fly to Tijuana. From Tijuana, smugglers pick them up.

They drive them an hour out of Tijuana in an area called Tecate. And boom. Holy shit. Majority of migrants I encountered in Jakuba Honsprings are Chinese nationals who traveled through seven different countries to the U.S. Most Chinese nationals fly to Ecuador to begin their journey to the U.S. Since the South America country does not require travel visa. Click on those pictures of those lines, bro.

Look, clean. Do they look, bro, did they struggled to get through Mexico? No. Now, here they're just waiting to be picked up. That's why they're intense and stuff. Well, look, clean, bro. That's a nice jacket. Clean.

Clean. Look at the women. Clean. They brought their masks, too. They're ready to go. That is not. See, Joy, if I have any other tweets with the word Chinese nationals, like, it should be like a...

But they just started coming, bro by the 10. of the thousand and think about this bro if you're the if you're the if you're the if you're the if you're the cartel um this is in chinese but this is just kind of to point out to people these are this is me finding kids by themselves bro with notes so these kids here they're phallember with notes contact maria in south carolina this is a number or contact hose in uh Wisconsin this is this is this is what this is real life that's real life human traffic that's real on the ground a lot of these reporters try to talk about it from a newsroom and caring about that's real.

Me and we encounter that kid, that kid we only encountered because that woman migrant ran to us. It's like, this baby I just found. He's fucking four, five. Did you say two? Okay, look, like, he's two?

This is what I say in the tweet. Moments ago, we encountered a two-year-old boy. He's two. Yeah, unaccompanied minor who was abandoned at the border according to the migrant woman who found the boy. He's wearing a makeshift ID with a Louisiana address.

We encountered them with a group of Chinese nationals who just crossed illegally into Texas. Oh my God. Your boy has seen a lot, bro. And that's, like, there's people who talk about it. That's real life. We're seeing the ring. And guess, you know what, Julian, I guarantee you, bro.

We did, I already know it. This book, we did follow-ups. We can't find them in the United States. You know, this is why, like, we talked about it earlier. I just want to dovetail the point. This is why Trump won the election. Keep it right here, Joey. If I could read that one, this is right here.

This is May 23. I'm the report. I get on the number of Chinese nationals are crossing illegally into the US and are paying cartels up to 30 grand. to do making them a valuable commodity to criminal smuggling groups Chinese nationals tell us

they are flying in Ecuador begin their journey from there this is the first wave like I said in 23 but it hits South Texas because dude for these these guys they've never encountered someone

that speaks Mandarin they're like what you then boom bro but then San Diego really quick Joe in the search can we put in my tweets

just put the word jacumba and I know it's a little weird but jaccumba hot springs just just take away the Jorge Chinese not yeah if we just put jacuba hot springs

Yeah, I would take out that And just put Jakuma Hot Springs And we'll find a bunch of stuff that I got From that area of its mind Here we go, my jar. That might be the same Yeah, but I got way more tweets on it Oh yeah, happening out.

Look at this one, Julian. This is a line. Take, look at this line. All happening on one. Where's Moses? They cross in the Red Sea. Look at the luggagees. Look at the luggagees. Look how clean.

They got some fucking Toomey bags. Look at that. That is fucking nuts. That is actually fucking nuts. And this shot right here that we're watching that happened when accident. I'm doing a live shot from News Nation and I tell the camera,

hey man, I'm going to go to the gas station. Driving down, look to my left, boom. I said, whoa, whoa, whoa, rip that you. And then these are Indian nationals, I think of the tellin. But oh yeah, look at this. Look at that, bro. This is just one spot.

Hey, and think about this, guys. Cartel, 30 grand, 30 grand ahead. 30 grand ahead. There's a massive connection with the Chinese to make like I don't know if we could even I don't know if there's even news article there's like I said guys Mexico and China They're cozying up a relationship with those governments here you started this point though with the article we pulled up about the comments on the ties between Mexican Mexicans with the Chinese and banking institutions the part that rings hollow though is they talked about directly and they're them laundering money for the car tells and like totally agree this should be called out and stopped and continue doing that by all means no crackdown but maybe no crackdown even before that though let's say they actually do end up cracking

down you did the same thing you you're the United States government my government did the same thing for these guys roll the tape episode 290 he'll tell the whole story I had the guy in here who fucking had to do it and it's just like it's crazy bro huh who's who's the what's the godfather the best in the font thing on the strength who's holding that why

see if I got any more joy on these tweets this is crazy bro to watch these again these are just just guys these are all people in your country right now and they're all here chilling oh yeah because they're allowed to keep going after this they don't get arrested

and you got to remember oh yeah so here bro, I did a thing where all these are armed smugglers, bro, that were just flooding the zone. I mean, flooding. Those are armed smugglers? Yeah. On the other side. Yeah.

So I say arm smugglers and SUV drive groups of migraines right up to the border and guide migrants through open gaps in Jakuba Hot Springs, California. It's one of the most dangerous areas along the border in Mexico where the desert is filled with unsolved murders. I also went to the other side to do the report. We headed to the location embedded with Mexican. I had to go with Mexican military, bro. I couldn't be there.

And we set up a kind of command center at one of the open gaps. Yeah, I had it going with look right there bro Go and bed with these guys It's like yo dude They're gonna shoot you there's arm motorcycle guys like What were those guys saying? What was their take on the Mexican military? What was their take on all this? Oh, they felt like they were like they're like dude

It's fucked like the cartels Basically just ramping us up like basically that might all those migrants bro It fucks everything up for for all these guys So you know yeah I think the only American journalist for that traveled to Thakate and reported from that open gap I mean right there is we're in we're in Hot Zone Central right here on me we could get lit up what is what is the because even that banking article specifically alluded to the fentanyl we've been talking and mostly in the context of like the

illegal weed grows and stuff like that but we also know you know it's not like 15 years ago or something like i get nervous about this for my future kids if somehow hopefully it's not but this is still a problem it's like if they go to get handed a joint when they're 14 does have fucking fentanyl sprinkled in it or something like what it what have you seen any of you see any stem of the flow of fentanyl as a result of Trump coming into office? So when it comes to the flow of fentanyl, this is the difficult thing is, it looks sexy to say like we seize this amount, but at the end of the day, dude, 90% of the fentanyl is still coming in through the port of entry.

So it's... Through the port of entry. Yeah, still make it to the U.S. Super easy. Yeah, it's very few that's in these open gaps. I know it looks sexy on movies and sometimes the news plays it, but 90% of that fendrol is coming in the cars. Yeah, so what do they do?

Put it in coffee containers and shit? types of stuff i mean they have all types of hidden but the number one is that they're just uh bribing the u.s board patrol whoever report of entries are so like the base they're that's the number one way they're oh yeah yeah yeah because they're bribing border patrol so board patrol kind of gets an alert like hey this red tacoma you know and no let it pass and it has that's life and prison and it has um it's like i said bro there's there's there's a huge huge connected and a lot of the precursor chemicals it's making it through the ports of mexico so they're hiding in different trailers and shipments i reported a little bit on there but it's also like there's a there's a

valuable fish that these guys want, the Toba fish. And it's also being illegally smuggled through those ports of Mexico. It's called like Toola fish. It's like this rare fish that is being like the Chinese just absolutely love that the cartels smuggling for them. So I did a little bit of reporting on that when I was with News Nation. But these chemical precursors, all those ports of Mexico are getting flooded with them. Guys obviously looking the other way. U.S. Border Patrol and the Boers looking the other way. They're also flooding like the ports in Canada. Because in Canada, they don't even have to have. have any really systems. Oh, Canada's fucking crazy. Yeah, Canada's fuck. So they don't even have any systems to check. Here, Mexico, you just have corruption. I mean, the guys at the port

look at the other way. Also, I mean, they'll probably get killed if they say anything. But U.S. Border Patrol officials, bro, for sure, yeah, getting bribed up. Uh, know this from insiders. And like, yeah, look other way, hey, this Ford F-150, yeah. That's, that's life in prison. Yeah. If you get caught doing that? People think, like, I could get, I could totally get, like, if you don't follow the news, like, as an American, like, oh, yeah, like, you think fentanyl, You think guy, big bundle, backpack, goes through the Rio Grande, yada yada, yada crosses. Does that happen? Sure, but it's very like, we're talking about 10 to 5% but the 90 is through those port of entry.

Oh, my God. And we have the, come on, Julie, we have the best. We have the best technology in the goddamn world. That's what I'm saying, dude, a fucking dog. I mean, just start with, forget the technology. Get some German shepherds out there and get the party started. I mean, dude, did you talk about that Hwarz board? You don't think everyone in that house of Port-Oventry's bot?

Come on, man. Come on, we're talking about the harsh cartel, bro. They got these guys on like, and maybe it's not even always bought, bro. Maybe it's one of those board portraying. Maybe you just send him a picture of his mom's house. Hey, bro. Play the game.

Play the game. Don't be a hero. Yeah. Don't be a hero. Don't think you're going to be Captain America. Just play the game and everything's going to go smooth. You'll be able to sleep at night. Yeah.

Mom won't get touched. But it's that game on the border, bro. Yeah. That's, that's, that's because when I report, bro, like a lot of these Texas DPS guys on, Like, Texas DPS guys cannot put a foot in Mexico. It'd be a death sentence. I mean, they got probably so much information on those guys.

But if they, yeah, talk to any guy Texas DPA? You vacationed in Mexico? Hell no. Like, it's, yeah. So like... Do you ever worry about people coming after you? Yeah. Yeah.

Especially when we did the documentaries and we were falling in like that heavy, we got a real hairy situation. Especially when I was with Saganik. I mean... Which cartel? It'd probably be more connected to the scene alone when we were reporting out of the Southern Cal. So it's extremely dangerous. and like, I mean, the border I was super worried about, really, because I mean, anything could

happen. I go to Mexico a lot. I did a lot of reporting in Mexico. Yeah, I could see over there, that kind of goes without saying. But I'm saying, like, when you're walking around here in the United States, you worried about blowback from Sinaloa or people who are pissed off? Yeah, especially with the Chinese connection because you don't have too many reporters kind of digging that, that angle. I think a lot of reporters, they fall in love with the sexy headlines of cartel report. I mean, it credits everyone that does it. It's just that, like, you know, I don't. an American at the end of day and like like at the end of day CCP is an enemy of us and it's just like this is all weird oh not weird but it's just like how it happened and like this code like i said we're like even just crossing

the port of entry on foot like why is now half the signage in mandarin i go to tijuana you go grab a drink at like the party but why is it all chinese national yeah mandarin do you speak to the locals like they're like yeah they're flooding us go to mexicali it's basically Beijing i mean and their the thing is you think chinese are coming to mexico because like they like mexican go, there's a, there's that bigger picture with, you know, and obviously, and I've seen you coverage, you're like, they're set up next to our military, all this is weird stuff. All these, they'll be like, like, when I remember it was a few months ago, bro, Trump was like, oh, we're going to welcome in 600,000 Chinese students.

It's like, you do know that these students are getting caught for espionage and, yeah, maybe not all of them, but come on, man, like, let's not. Yeah, you want to talk about people threatening families and stuff. Before they sent here, they're like, you like your mom, you like your dad, good, go to the United States, go to this college and report back. I mean, those people are all, they live under, again, separating people from their government. I don't know, Joe, you want to just put like Chinese student espionage and there'll be like 10 different stores. Yeah, dude.

Oh, there's a lot more than 10. It's like there's some people that are true believers and fuck them, scumbags. But like, there are a lot of people that it's like, yo, you have a duty to the CCP to do this. And if you don't, bye-bye family. And then they come here and they spy. And then, dude, I'd be on the border. And like, why does every Chinese National Cross, why are they all destroying their IDs all burnt destroying any identification their WhatsApp groups were very very organized i remember when

i was a you know they would get caught uh not get caught they were being apprehended by border patrol then they would be released in three days when they were released uh in san diego i would um i uh there's they would have their own chinese drivers waiting for them because in the area that this is that kind of funny in the area that i was in it was all these like somali immigrant taxi drivers and then they were the somalis were getting pissed because all the chinese were setting up their own taxi drivers. And what was interesting is when the Chinese nationals met their taxi driver, first thing that driver always did, hands them a cell phone in an exchange for money. So like they'll probably have a pesos or I don't know if they have Chinese money, but it's probably pesos and they would get

US dollar. And then all those Chinese nationals were getting driven in taxis all the way to LAX. They actually wouldn't fly out of San Diego Airport. I don't know why. But they would go to LAX and then from LAX it fly to another part of the country. And they had, yeah, they had directions on this. This was actually one of the things when Nick Shirley was here in June 24, he had, had physical evidence, which was pretty compelling, that he had recovered at the border of Mandarin directions that were recovered on some of these Chinese nationals coming in that had literal directions of how to game everywhere to go, like that whole Darien Gap thing and whatever, I believe it.

Correct me from wrong, go back and review that episode. It might have even started with their early, like, where to fly into in South America, but at the very least, the directions once they were getting to the border and what to do and then what to do when they get in there and then using our legal rights that we're giving them against us to be able to basically disappear into the system. They had full go here, then go here, then report to this court system. They'll give you a date, then leave there and go here. It was fucking insane.

In Colombia, bro, I saw one of those. In Colombia, they had like Chinese hotels. Work to stay in Colombia. All of them had the directions. like when you cross the border into into Mexico, like which, uh, which waiver was going to get them to Cancun and then from Cancun go straight to Tijuana, Tijuana, they already had the driver and just rinse and repeat. Like, I mean, this stuff to me is like, it has to be a bigger deal. But the, that, like I said, that Chinese-Mexin connection is something to, something to watch for. And

I think that, to be honest, Julian is going to keep CG and G very much alive and could also basically be funding maybe a paramilitary fight with the United States because they have, they got it to know. that moment's going to happen somehow. Right. So you're saying the United States, obviously we've already declared them narco-terrorist groups, so that gives us some extra abilities to attack them. But in order to say the attack is validated, are you saying that adding the angle of the fact that the CCP is directly working with, say, the CJNG? that I think just with the foreign terrorist declaration, they already have the leeway because now Trump doesn't need to go to Congress.

I mean, I don't know if they'll tie it to the CCP, but it's like, you know, so I feel like right now, if you're the Cartagalese, we're never had our son. You're using all this money, you're bankrolling it. You're getting more guys from the Mexican military because remember, these guys are paramilitary guys. And they could possibly be getting ready or geared up for a potential fight with some type of U.S. special forces, you know, who knows what that's looked like. And what is, so this article, Dief, investigating, investigation, undercovering Chinese academic espionage at Stanford. This is from May 2025 in the Stanford Review. This summer, a CCP agent impersonated a Stanford student under the alias Charles Chen. He approached several students through social media, Anna, a Sanford student conducting sensitive research on China,

began receiving unexpected messages from Charles Chen at first Charles's outreach seemed benign. he asked about networking opportunities, but soon his messages took a strange turn. Charles inquired whether Anna spoke Mandarin then grew increasingly persistent and personal. He sent videos of Americans who had gained fame in China, encouraged Anna to visit Beijing and offered to cover her travel expenses. He would send screenshots of a bank account balance to prove he could buy the plane tickets. Alarmingly, he referenced details about her that Anna had never disclosed to him. He advised her to enter China for only 24 to 144 hours, short enough, he said, to avoid visa scrutiny by authorities and urge her to communicate exclusively via the Chinese version of WeChat, a platform

heavily monitored by the CCP. When Charles commented on one of her social media posts asking her to delete screenshots of their conversations, she knew this was serious. Wow. Under the guidance of experts familiar with espionage tactics, Anna contacted authorities, their investigation and revealed that Charles Chen had no affiliation with Stanford. Instead, he had posed as a Stanford student for years, slightly altering his name and persona online, targeting multiple students, nearly all of them, women researching China-related topics.

According to the experts on China who assisted Anna, Charles Chen was likely an agent of the Chinese Ministry of State Security, MSS, tasked with identifying sympathetic Stanford students and gathering intelligence. That's, uh, it's bleak, man. It's bleak. That's definitely a little bleak.

And this, by the way, this is what I'm talking about earlier. And like this is one of the places with like the anti-Israel crowd that drives me nuts. Everyone talks about them paying for trips for people to come kiss the wall. Can we talk about that with the nation with the second highest GDP in the world? Okay? Like, like talk about all of it. Don't not talk about that. But like don't select.

This is why I say to both sides of the issue. Don't selectively ignore the thing. Like, if you're about America, don't selectively ignore the things that are bad for America regardless of where they come from. And like, everyone wants to see us fall, bro. Everyone, yeah.

Name a country that, like, wants to not see us fall. Maybe the UK. I don't know about that these days. You know what I mean? And it's no disrespect. I'm not saying the people want that. I'm saying governments and espionage organizations. Yeah, not the people.

It's not the people. Right? And some places there are people that actually do want to see us fall. But Julian, like I said, Like, I believe, like, U.S. capacity. We'll see it in Mexico, whether they'll get Shimon's approval or not. They're going to find a way. They're going to bypass Congress.

Why haven't they done it yet? You know, that's a good question. I think Mexico's just posed that different challenge because they're our neighbor. Because we also have these, I mean, we have millions of Mexican Americans in the U.S. It's a different kind of animal. But who, I mean, I don't know why they haven't done it, but they're already flying CIA in there. they already put in HSI investigation guys went into Sinaloa, which I thought was insane.

I've never seen it. Yeah, what does that look like? It was, I don't know if we could Google it or if it's on X, but it should be like, put like HSI, Sinaloa. Yeah, it was a fascinating that they, that Mexican military allowed this. U.S. feds arrest, no, it's not that one.

It'll be from like the, the, C.HPC, yeah. I don't know if we could still have it. But it was like, Crazy as best as you can remember it and we'll forgive you if you miss a few details like what what was the gist Basically hs i obviously u.s special agents went in with mexicans and they i think that might be one of them but they basically dismant that yeah that's it right they dismantled like three synthetic uh fentanylamps uh in sinola but like look at it wasn't even hs i they let ice in there mexico dude so it's like you have ice in mexico hs i you got cia drone we probably got a few chaos agents running around high-east-agull from the i mean from the CIA you probably got like mexican nationals that they're probably using um so and then shine bomb's cornered here you got an aggressive marco rubio you got an ultra aggressive stephen miller you know who's like cracked down on these

drug cartels so it's like for your if you're shine bomb that's why shine bomb i think is panic she's turning over as many cartel leaders as she can she like went over she like bypassed some of her own legal jurisdictions to like release i believe it was like 27 drug leaders and then take him to the United States. So she's like panicking. No matter how much fentanyl they sees, what's even like the level of success for the United States? So she's scrambling. And you got Marco Rubio right behind Trump's here. Like go, go, go, go. What is a, so I guess one aspect is what you've been pointing out today. You could see like drone attacks or something like that. I mean, we're really playing hypotheticals here. But if you're Claudia Shinebaum and the U.S. goes ahead without.

your approval and you know drone strikes areas of your country and like a few civilians die not even like 300 or something like that but a few like a few human lives who are not in the cartels are bad you know is that an economic shutdown event because like all trades stop like what does she do and then and then the other thing what does it do to the immigration debate because if you're a mexican national the u.s just did a fucking cia drone brahman or cartel can't you just run into the U.S. government and apply for asylum and get because you're technically escaping a foreign terrorist organization so it's like i don't even know you know there's so many um kind of element you know that's one thing that ed kind of brought up to me when i spoke to him

previous like hey man don't don't forget like what you bomb them and then like if you're a mexican national can't you just automatically get asylum in the u.s you're technically fleeing this foreign terrorist organization that the u.s is technically at at war with so there's so many little elements we'll have to see how it plays out like i said just from my from all the plays we're seeing there's no way we do not see some type of U.S. military operation

I don't know like I said might not look like the whole G.I. Joe guy comes down the helicopter M16 Rambo.

It might look more CIA. It might look more like we're learning more from the Venezuela attack where they have the looks like

they have that Havana syndrome weapon, the sonic boom which I thought it was BS when it was first reported

but it seems like it's not like I don't I will say this I'm going to slide this across to you. I can't show this on the screen

for obvious reasons, but I do not think that's BS. Take a look. This is from... Oh, see that right there? The car blown out. Scroll it. Keep scrolling over. That's from the ground. You'll see one with like three cars like totally blown out, like almost

stopped in time. See that? These are intense. Yeah. That's from the immediate aftermath. So I don't... Yeah, that one right there. That you know, I'm sure Lockheed's got a lot of fucking things. Yeah, yeah. But, you know, something's going on. Yeah, yeah.

So Christian de Venezuelan, my longtime editor, who's my boy, lives right there. So he saw the fucking helicopters come above him. They went outside and, like, watch, like, do, do, do, do. And they were, like, cheering up on the hill because they're like, holy shit, I think they're taking out Maduro or whatever. But he saw, like, I don't, I'll have to ask him because we talked about it. But, you know, I don't know if he, like, saw a sonic weapon or. what that would even look like, but definitely some shit was going on there.

Yeah. So, like, the thing is, I think it was like 60 minutes back, like 10 years ago, they reported like this Sonic Boom was used on U.S. officials. And I'm also like, oh, man, this has got to be made up by the U.S. government, like, to push something. And then it's coming out that it's legit. They recovered it. It has some Russian components.

The DoD. I don't know if really quick, Joey, we could Google that. Havana syndrome. I know the DOD was testing it for about a year. I don't know. They've tried to deny. that their own people are who say it's real. They tried to deny that it's real. It's been like a controversy. Like, you know, there's a guy like Mark Polymorpolis who had to retire. That's just

one example. And like the government's like, oh, no, it's not, I don't know. It's, it's very sketchy. Yeah, yeah. Go down on this joke because I believe the Department of Defense was testing for a year before the Maduro. Okay. So the Defense Department has spent more than a year testing a device purchase in an undercover operation that some investigators think could be the cause of mysterious ailments impacting U.S. Wow. Spies, diplomats, and troops that are colloquially known as Havana syndrome.

Wow. So they... So basically, Julian, I remember, like, back in 2016... They paid eight figures for the device. It's an undercover like... Whoa. Whoa. Yeah, can you read it, bro? Yeah.

What question. Yeah, division in the department of Homeland Security. Homeland Security Investigations. Purchase... Purchase the device for millions of dollars in the waning days of the Biden administration using funding provided by the defense department according to two of the sources.

Officials paid eight figures for the device. The people said, declining to offer a more specific number. Devices still being studied and there's ongoing debate and in some quarters of government skepticism over its link to the roughly dozens of anomalous health incidents that remain officially unexplained. So apparently I guess a bunch of U.S. officials in Cuba

report all these injuries. And they couldn't put it like, just didn't know how it happened. It's unexplainable. And I thought it was BS, bro. But then after this Venezuela thing in this, I'm like, oh, that's exactly. There's some of it that fit.

Like I there's some people that have talked, I'm like, yeah, I don't know about that. And then other people I'm like, why do I kind of believe that? You know, I don't know. I'm open-minded on it. But that's, you know, you talk about how they would do this in Mexico if they got creative. There is a guy that I want to have in here who watches this show because he literally comments sometimes. It's a little scary. You know, my theory with like CIA guys and stuff is for everyone else.

I want to have them right there, right there with the mics on. And everyone else out there can hear what they have to say. Put it out there for three hours and, you know, see what they reveal, right? Because we obviously have to be very skeptical of anything. Someone like that says, they're still working for the government. What's their motive? Like people in the comments are absolutely correct to question all that when I see that. but you know i'm selective with with who we bring in matthew hedger was interesting because he was a knock

which you never get those guys on podcasts this guy i'm thinking of is a knock as well and his story is that and like now so louise navia the former smuggler for like all the cartels like the chief international smuggler who was on episodes 221 and 222 wild shit he's connected to this guy and essentially this dude started an organization with like three other former spooky people like six years ago after they left the government. Right, right. And, you know, just magically they show up in all these third world countries and six months later, boom, new leader, you know?

Like, they just happen to be there and the leadership changes. So it's like one of those. But he became a knock because he was a bartender basically dating the niece of a was it the Gallardo brothers or the Felix Ariano brothers one of them in the early cartels and CIA approached him and said hey you have access and we've also spied on you like you have a lot of good skills you'd be great to be a spy he's like no no no listen I'm sure those guys are doing bad things but like I'm dating the niece and I'm not a rat like I I don't I'm not running an investigation for you and they're like investigate what do you mean investigation we don't

want to you to investigate them. We want you to join them. They're useful to us. And this guy spent the next three decades and longer than Matthew Hedger, inside the cartels from the earliest days building it. There is no one. He's a paramilitary expert.

He became like serious over there. The guy is like in his early 70s, built like a fucking shit house apparently. But there's no one, I think, who would have a better idea who definitely still works for the government. as to what it could look like on the ground if some sort of option were taken. And I'm really...

Right. Yeah. I haven't talked to him about doing one in a while because it was his idea to do one. And then it didn't happen, but I think I might have to do that one. No, you got to bring them in. And then I think this, this right here, like, I'm sorry, but if you're a cartel guy and you see something like this, they got nothing for that. So focused on the threat, oh, direct energy weapons.

Yeah, they ain't got nothing for that. They ain't got nothing for that. I don't know if they're stopping that one. Best of luck. look to you, pal. Amigo. But on another note, maybe a more important note, we go into Iran, what are we doing?

What's happening? We're bombing it. Can we pull up the statement today? Joy? It's never going to stop. All right. This is the other thing here, Julian, there's so many things I play is like, yes, the regime is like killing people alive ammunition.

There's all these things going on. We got, we got Trump now wanting to go in there. Lindsey Graham is got a hard on. And then, you know, at the end of day, like, Israel has Assad probably, like, infiltrating these protesters, causing a little bit of the chaos. There's just so many elements at play. But it's like, dude, how many regime changes can we do under one administration? I mean, I don't know how health food is. But Trump seems pretty adamant.

He's been, like, doing the threats. He's, you know, he seems pretty adamant that they're going to do this thing. It is a whole different cultural implication, as we said, are. earlier than Venezuela. This is a different beast. That's what I'm saying about the third, fourth, 10th, 40th, and 100th order effects of something like Venezuela. Now you get a big dick and you're like, well, fuck it. Let's just take Iran too. That is not the same thing by a long shot. You now got Sunni and Shiite. You got Sunni and Shiite issues in the region. You got people in the region who are Arab and automatically even before two years ago, like just hate Israel and anyone

allied with them. You could create and they're also allied with the East. We're talking China, Russia. This is a fucking dangerous. This one's a power tank. Yeah, this one's very, very big deal. Oh my God. Just the security forces. And it's also interesting just how things play out in media. I mean, this one's this story gets a little more of a positive reception. We'll see like Trump on standby. Come on. This is our message. Yeah. And listen. Again, again, I want to be very clear. The Iranian regime's awful. Oh, yeah.

And I am so rooting for their people to do it from within and handle it their way, right? And I believe, I know it's been a long time. I believe they can do that. So many people there want to see that fall. That is not the issue. Where it becomes an issue is if fucking big dick Trump decides to come in and do it himself. And instill. Yeah, because that will create, you want to.

And it was interesting. Actually, Joe, because I've been speaking. When, you know, you know, kind of bring to the Venezuela one, you know, people like, oh, yeah, we don't like, you know, under Biden, they try to make that Juan Guido as a president. They try to, like, kind of prop them up. And I was speaking to some Venezuelans on the ground about this. They're like, look, Jorge, we don't like Maduro. But if you put, you put Juan Guaido, it's going to be worse because we know he's a direct puppet of a U.S. Western government. And that's how Iran's probably going to look at this.

I mean, sure, they want to overthrow of the regime. But, like, if it's not organic through their people, which, I mean, is any uprising in organic? But, you know, they're going to, the next guy they installed, they're just going to view as, oh, you're just literally a puppet of the U.S. government. Yeah, it's a great point. There's no, there's no uprising in modern human history that's been 100% organic. Like, there are forces that certainly help cause it. But it's a whole other step when there's bombs and helicopters coming in and actually full blown straight up. Everybody knows installing. You know, like I don't have, I have an issue with how we handled the aftermath of the Soviet Union fall. and things that were preventable mistakes that we made that have now made that relationship not great 30 years later.

But like I don't, that's where I don't have a huge issue with, say, CIA on the ground working sources to help move this thing along without actually going in there with boots on the ground and installing all their own people and shit like that. That's where it's like supposed to work. Now it's still dirty, but like the world's dirty. That's how it is. We've got to accept that. This, if it's going to be something, needs to.

to be that and not do do do do that's going to be a big problem and people aren't going to like that. So supposedly J.D. Vance is the one who's trying to like get a diplomatic agreement and then Mark the Mark Rubio Camps a little bit more aggressive.

I'm sure Lindsey Graham is like behind Trump's here. Let's really quick, Joe, I don't know if there'll be a mainstream article on this, but let's just put Google like Mossad in Iran. I mean, we'll see mainstream. It has anything on this. They would never be there.

but Mossad in Iran So this is from Al Jazeera where people yell at us we will disclose the SARS but Iran accuses foreign intelligence of being behind protest movement Israel's covert operations

in Iran spark allegations of destabilizing protein and you know what I have no doubt about that and like you know are you surprised like this is this is what they want now I saw bro I don't know

did I guess saw up but that that viral kind of image with like the girl smoking the cigarette and burning the poster they're like oh that's not even from Iran I'm like is it so I don't know well that's the other thing we have to watch where things are from and AI I mean the fog of war yeah the AI I know it's like it's so scary

but fuck man I think I hopefully we'll be all right this is We're recording this on Thursday. I think this is going to come out Monday. So if there's a little update on Iran, sorry about this last seven-minute segment there. But- It could already be bombs away by the time it. Oh, my God. It's there.

Jorge, I'm so happy for you, man, that you're on your own doing your thing. Congratulations on going for it. You're going to do great. You're one of my favorite people to talk with. So we'll do this again. When you're getting some good stories, you just let me know. I'll get you right in here, right? Nice.

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