Julian Dorey Podcast - #39 - Mike Spear

Starting point is 00:00:00 Do you realize you're not doing a pure Cuomo? You're doing a mix of Cuomo and who I've seen live. Who I've seen live. He's fucking phenomenal. I saw him in Lehigh at the Riverwinds Casino. Oh, my God. The Italian guy who's fucking funny. Sebastian Mann.

Starting point is 00:00:21 Sebastian Mann. You're sick. He's not going to do it yeah he's gonna yeah doesn't know shit dude he's at home michael shut the fuck up just wants to what's cooking everybody i am joined in the bunker today by a man who needs no introduction though i will give him one this is a man who was previously on the podcast on trendfire number 23 to be exact and he is somebody whose episode continues to this day to generate rave reviews from many of you.

Starting point is 00:01:09 I still get inbound from people who maybe are just listening to it saying how wildly entertaining he is and how I got to get him back in here. So here you go. If you haven't guessed already, I am joined in the bunker today by my very good friend and both the left and right's favorite conservative pundit, Mr. Michael G. Speer, aka, apparently, also, aka, also aka, I think that's redundant, but apparently, according to many of you, Michael Speer is aka my Alex Jones, which, I don't know, I kind of see the resemblance.

Starting point is 00:01:46 It is what it is. He'll kill me for saying that, but whatever. We'll go with it. In all seriousness, a few notes on this podcast, a couple housekeeping items. Number one, first 15 minutes, you will hear me a couple times, like kind of move to the side of the mic like that, a little bit over here. It's just because we had the dog in the studio with a guest for the first time, so I was getting her acclimated.

Starting point is 00:02:05 And then she was an angel the rest of the way. Number two, we talked about Jeffrey Epstein in this episode. And I say that because obviously that's America's favorite conspiracy theory. It's a sick one. But it's one people enjoy talking about because of how absolutely insane it is. And somehow I realized it has never come up there's there's been no long-form conversation in any of our episodes in any of the people i've sat down with about jeffrey epstein so i don't know how that happened but we finally did it it starts about maybe 15 minutes in or so

Starting point is 00:02:37 and we went on it for like a half hour so i was glad we finally covered a base that we had been missing number three number three most important number three you're gonna notice we were drinking in this episode so we've been drinking in other episodes before i think the last time mike was here we were drinking as well but uh in this one you know friday night two longtime best friends nowhere to be got got a little tuned up. So you won't notice it for about the first hour 40, hour 45. But then I think I actually say a line where I say something like, I'm getting pretty tuned up here.

Starting point is 00:03:13 And the last hour, you're going to notice it. We were blasted and having a great time. What I will say, and the reason it's important, is that in addition to the last hour being very coherent conversations and top-of-the-issue conversations, it is without question the most wildly entertaining hour that has happened in this studio.

Starting point is 00:03:34 Zero doubt. It was hysterical. I was laughing my ass off editing it. So don't take everything we said seriously, but it was a good time. And one other thing. One other thing one other thing you're gonna notice at the end of the podcast I'm gonna be almost mid sentence I'm finishing a point but it's gonna cut out where I'm clearly about to

Starting point is 00:03:54 say something else and I think I'm gonna put the sonic brand there so that the doom you hear at the beginning of every podcast I'll put that right there and then it will cut to me saying alright everyone give it a thought get back to me whatever end of the podcast the reason for that is because as i was making that point where i cut it i had been planning to stop the podcast and say like all right this was great cool whatever but in a part that you won't hear that happened directly after the cut happens that i put in there or that i take out. Mike said something hilarious that then got me riled up. Next thing you know, we were on camera for another hour. Now, we were in rare form

Starting point is 00:04:34 and it's hysterical and I would have liked to just keep the whole hour in there. The problem is, for half of it, we were talking about a whole bunch of inside jokes that none of you guys are going to understand. So then I went into the parts where we weren were talking about a whole bunch of inside jokes that none of you guys are going to understand. So then I went into the parts where we weren't talking about inside jokes and tried to splice it together. But number one, I don't do that. I told you this is a continuous conversation podcast. We don't go in and hack job edit it. I hate that shit. And number two, it didn't flow at all, of course.

Starting point is 00:05:01 So I left it out. What I will say is that I'm not going to rule out putting some of those clips on YouTube or maybe even on TikTok with some of the really short ones because it was hysterical. I mean we were – after this cuts, then we got like actually like drunk. So very funny. Wish I could have had it in there but couldn't do it. If there's something that comes out of it, I will let you know. Other than that, this podcast will not disappoint. This was fucking awesome. This conversation was great.

Starting point is 00:05:32 I know when I'm editing something and I'm laughing at it, which is very hard for me to do, especially when I'm in the thing I'm editing. When I'm laughing out loud editing it, it's funny. I'll leave it at that. Anyway, if you're not subscribed, please subscribe. We are on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and YouTube and if you're on YouTube right now hit that subscribe button hit that bell button and leave a like and comment on the video if you would please

Starting point is 00:06:02 to all the people who have left five star reviews with a comment on apple podcast as i say every week thank you they continue to roll in they're amazing and i've also said this every week but with a little bit of context now they are very important i have gotten inbound from people who find the show who decided to give it a listen because of the comments they see on that page so all of you who are doing that it's's not just a help to make me feel good. It's an actual huge help to help us build our community here, which I'm blown away how quickly this is happening, and

Starting point is 00:06:31 it's all thanks to you guys. So thank you to the ones who have done it, and to all of you who haven't, if you can help out and just take a few seconds to do that, I'll remind you every week, but if you could, that would be awesome. That said, you know what it is. I'm Julian Dory, and this is Trendify.

Starting point is 00:06:50 Let's go. This is one of the great questions in our culture. Where is the nuance? You're giving opinions and calling them facts. You feel me? Everyone understands this, but few seem to do it. If you don't like the status quo, start asking questions. I was indoors.

Starting point is 00:07:16 There's a place called Set. They have one in New York. It's pretty good. Pretty good. You know what this toast is going to be too yes i do meet the father baby that's right we're uncles we're uncles there you go holy shit god that's actually fucking good it would it would uh i guess it it would have really killed them to have a nice judeo-christian name they went with uh i think it's pronounced kai it's kai is it k-a-i i actually

Starting point is 00:07:47 went on facebook to see if anyone else in the world had that name and they actually do um it is a man's name and kai and it is a name that um is being used so it's unique i like unique i mean he's gonna yeah i mean with that name he'll keep that name and i think maybe that's why me probably pulled the trigger on it because i know it wasn't his idea but no he has me has three names so he probably was like you know i'll make my kid's name so so unique that like what what kind of nickname you're gonna call him you know yeah i still get people who are like no no you're talking about clayton i'm like well no it's it's me i mean dan clayton daniel or dan uh or meat meat people are listening right now like what the fuck who is

Starting point is 00:08:32 this guy i mean he's meat he's meat that's that's the best way to describe it i'm proud of him though very i remember when after college when he and quinn moved in with me up in North Jersey. They were working for my uncle for a while there. And he, one day, like after work, Quinn comes back at night and he goes, you know, we were on a site today, like going through shit. And some like little two-year-old walks by and Meat looked at him like dead ass seriously

Starting point is 00:09:00 and goes, I could fucking have a kid right now. He was like 21, 22 at the time. I could have a kid right now i could he was like 21 22 at the time i could have a kid right now yeah you know what i'll have a kid and quinn's like dude it's it's not a pet you can't just like leave it at home for eight hours it's not a pet it's uh he those are those are unpaid laborers to me that's what they are he's gonna build an empire of unpaid laborers um and he's gonna make out like a fucking bandit. So he's just, man or woman, they're going to do the same job. It doesn't matter. Oh, my God.

Starting point is 00:09:27 That's fucking priceless. Well, I got you back in here. It was at your request, actually. I remember. I remember. How'd you feel after the last one? I felt good. I enjoyed it.

Starting point is 00:09:39 I mean, I feel a lot differently because I think we spoke. It was right before the election, I think. No, it was after. It was the end of November. Oh, right. And then the episode dropped like four days later. We were talking about the voting and the counting of the votes and the legitimacy of the vote. And at this point, I have no desire to fucking talk about the legitimacy of the vote.

Starting point is 00:09:59 Yeah. But I, yeah, no, I'm good. I mean, I'm feeling good. You know, still market, I guess, is still kind of hanging in there. So I can't complain about Uncle Joe for now. But we'll see. Were you honking your horn out there? No, that was bizarre.

Starting point is 00:10:16 That day, I guess it happened, I guess it was when they certified the votes. Philadelphia was, and I remember this because my buddy and I, Ty, you know, we were on my roof deck in Philly, and we're playing baggo, we're drinking. We had it out of our heads, and all you fucking heard was the honking of the horns. Everyone in the city was honking their fucking horn. For Joe Biden. Honk for Joe. Literally, they were driving around the city, honk for Joe. So I remember that day.

Starting point is 00:10:48 It is what it is at this point. Yeah, I mean, it's been, so far, the one thing you got to say is that every day Trump was in there, there was some kind of drama. And not always self-inflicted by him, but there was some kind of drama. And it has been insanely quiet since Biden went in there.

Starting point is 00:11:08 I mean, you almost don't hear anything. So in a way, there's less – there's still all kinds of vitriol online. But it's been quieter on the political front, which I think everyone, including people like Trump, should be at least fans of. But who knows? I mean, they're trying to create the status quo. We're back to normal um you know we have our uh i mean he's not he's he's never gonna be a vocal president i don't i don't know if he's gonna make all four years to be honest with you not not because i don't think i don't think he's gonna die um but i i think you know i think he has major issues health issues

Starting point is 00:11:41 that we're not seeing yet um but i do know this you know a lot of the noise didn't come necessarily even trump did a lot of things that no politician would ever do um but you know the media obviously um anything he did you know i always i always go back to the koi pond incident when he went to japan his first visit to japan they showed him dumping the box of of fish food into the pond and they and literally – and you think petty things are like Dr. Seuss. I was complaining about Dr. Seuss. But you think that that's like a petty thing? I mean, they had the full video.

Starting point is 00:12:12 He's scooping and scooping. And then Abe throws his entire box in. And then Trump does. And it's like, look at him insulting our Japanese allies. It just looks funnier when he does stuff, though. Of course it does. I remember we were watching a video one time. This was like maybe the first year of his presidency because we'd always have one in the office like Bloomberg, CNBC, and they'd be putting it on the screen.

Starting point is 00:12:37 So one day in there, we're watching a video, and my boss just starts laughing his ass off. So we all run in there. We kind of heard it but we weren't actually like watching it at first and then we go in and it's just trump with these stacks of papers behind them i mean like walls and mountains of papers and this big ribbon in front of him like this this line and he's got this golden scissor in his hand like a big old golden scissor and he goes when we came into office i said that for every regulation we would we would remove two right so today we made a new regulation we're

Starting point is 00:13:12 gonna remove two you see all these papers these papers are terrible you know what let's do the honors three two and he like stops he's holding the scissor up there and he goes three two one and like does it on the thing and you kind of just have to watch it but it's hysterical it was a lot of it was showmanship i mean his rallies were i mean they were i said this they were rock concerts i mean they literally i mean even the music they were using they were rock concerts so that i mean that's just the guy that's who he is you know that he scored all his rallies what do? Oh, he scored every song that's ever played at a rally he personally curates. Oh, really?

Starting point is 00:13:48 Yeah, he can't not be a showman. You remember the opening run when he came down the escalator? And he gets their play. I forget what they're- It was proud to be American, I thought. It was proud to be an American. And he looks up at the thing. He's pointing to all the people like this.

Starting point is 00:14:04 And then he looks up at the guy up at the roof. Some guy who just was smoking weed out back is playing this proud to be American, looking at his MacBook. And Trump looks up at him and goes, cut the music. Cut it. Yeah, good. Okay, good. And then starts the whole speech. It is.

Starting point is 00:14:20 Who interviewed him? I don't remember. On the first one that first because when he got down the escalator he actually had a a small press conference but it was more personal i don't remember who that was it was right you're talking about right after he did it he did a couple i think it was bill o'reilly was it really i'm pretty sure yeah i think bill o'reilly already had his hands full at that time well he was no he was still was he yeah that was that was 2015 he's still he's still around

Starting point is 00:14:46 i remember he would do those events and then he would have lineups of like bloomberg people and and and fox news people and he would always be doing an interview underneath like the the wall with the water like the infinity waterfall going down it in that building yeah yeah always like at the beginning you know if you want to look back on it for like okay well how did how did the politics before he even like injected all the politics into it and people were like really up in arms about whatever he was saying whether they agreed or didn't how did he brand the process i mean the amount of free air time he got yeah unbelievable i was. I was there one time.

Starting point is 00:15:26 Do you remember? Do you know who brought me there? I think I did. It was you. Yeah, I remember that. It was you, and that's how long ago that was. That ended up being a trip from hell. Remember, I left my keys in, I guess, who were we staying with at the time?

Starting point is 00:15:38 I forget. We were staying with Drake. He was Upper East Side Drake at the time. Oh, he was Upper East Side Drake. Upper East Side Drake. Yes, he was. I remember that side drake oh he was upper east side three side yes he was i remember that um but you know that i remember you took me there i was like that's pretty cool yeah it was and and that was that was 2016. so that was like march beginning of march 2016. so that was before it was like okay trump's gonna actually be running against the right yeah but

Starting point is 00:16:04 there was there was already at that point people were taking it seriously in the sense that the people who loved him, he already had a lot of them, and the people who hated him already had a lot of them. But it seems like, that seems like ages. I know, I know. No, that was a tough political campaign. I mean, it was the whole, that whole primary was just like, I mean, I couldn't figure out who I wanted to win. I mean, it was just, and Trump, I was really anti-Trump. You were a dead cruiser. Well, I was a cruiser.

Starting point is 00:16:37 I was a little bit of a Ben Carson, you know. You were a Carson guy? Yeah, I kind of like the idea of somebody that – because I thought that the healthcare system was so fucked up. It is. Well, it still is, and it's going to be. But I felt like he was at least somebody that was – he's been there. He's seen the horror story situations where somebody can't get a surgery. I mean, he was at Johns Hopkins. I mean, this guy was probably one of the greatest, you know, of his time.

Starting point is 00:17:09 So that was the main concern. I was like, you know what, this guy actually cares about the plate, and he's also smart, and he's conservative. I said, why not? But clearly he was not a president type. No. He just didn't have it in him. And his wife is a um i think she's

Starting point is 00:17:25 a is a violinist she's phenomenal really candy carson i didn't know that yeah she looks like a staff because he was a surgeon he was the guy that separated the siamese twins yeah johns he was the real he is the real deal um and she's a musician um but all right so let's ask this question because let's now that we're a little it, I want to talk about some of the things that happened at the end there, which were fucking terrible. But as far as looking at the organization of what the previous administration was, because I know you have some strong feelings as a conservative on what types of policies you prefer and some of the good you think Trump did and everything. But one of the things that strikes me about his presidency that was something completely in his control that he dropped the ball on was who he hired for very public-facing positions. So it's not to say like all his hires were bad, which the media wanted to call all of them bad.

Starting point is 00:18:22 But why – Ben Carson, for example, very smart guy who got unfairly ripped in the media and attacked in ways that had nothing to do with his political beliefs right why is ben carson running the the hud program like why is he the secretary of what was the official name of it what do you mean that he was like the secretary of what was hud it was secretary of housing urban development okay so that's literally what it's called so why was he chosen to do that i feel like there were a lot of other things he could have been done he's just one example i mean you know i the bigger issue with with trump when and it's not it's not it's not his issue it was he was the you know you're at a car auction car auction. He is the brand new Lamborghini.

Starting point is 00:19:05 And everyone wants a piece of his ass at this auction of who's going to be president. What do you mean by that? So, in other words, he's a new, shiny object. He's not like anything anyone's seen before. So, everyone that has the Steve Bannons of the world, they all have their, you know, they are even though steve bannon he says he wasn't a swamp person you have these swamp you know people who are just so um you know involved and they have their you know their ear to the ground they see someone like trump they say all right i'm gonna grab him this is my opportunity to influence this guy who has really no political

Starting point is 00:19:40 experience he's never dealt with uh you know you know congress he's never dealt with Congress. He's never dealt with the House. He has really no idea how to actually run the country in the sense as a president. He has ideas, but not, let me show him how it's done. And I think he relied on people and then realized right away, whoa, whoa, whoa, this is not what I signed up for. So it caused clusterfuck. So you had the Steve Bannon regime where you had all of his people. I mean, it was a constant. It was a fire fest. I mean, that's what it was.

Starting point is 00:20:09 I mean, it was a fire fest, and I think it had a lot to do with him not having the experience and taking the advice of people. But he was so smart, he learned quickly that these people are not helping me, and they're not helping the country. But why did he never really figure it out? Because till the – I mean, Spear, after he lost the election, with a month left, they're firing the secretary of defense. And I'm forgetting some of the others they fired. But like Barr leaves on December 23rd ahead of the December 24th pardons where, let's be honest, like you pardon batty pardon roger roger stone all these people that to me is like it is a symbol of the fact that the entire time there was a level of people that got hired that either he didn't sign off on or he was wrong about and then was like well fuck it i'm getting rid of him no i think he signed i think he signed all he's not

Starting point is 00:21:01 a dummy so i think he signed off on every single person that held a position. But I think he realized, again, this is his first rodeo, and he learned that these guys aren't fit. They're not up to snuff. But what you said at the very end, okay, at the very end, he had one thing in mind. It was the next election, okay? So he has to prove to his supporters, which I am one of them.

Starting point is 00:21:27 I'm not, I've said it. You could pull, you know, you could run the tape. I told you before, the amount of voter fraud probably would not constitute, it wouldn't change any outcome. Yeah, you didn't. You were on the same. But the fact remains that his, you know, most feverish supporters are going to say that the election was stolen and Barr you know is the guy that really has the power to really dive into these um election results somewhat I mean there's constitutional limits to that and I think Barr said no I'm not

Starting point is 00:21:58 doing it I actually I actually felt bad for him and and like I you know i i felt like bar was was such a typical politician the entire time he was he was there but when it came after the election especially after december 14th when they certified everything and the pressure was just coming on like oh no you got to look into this and we'll talk about that but that was just completely unfair because the the key thing about the attorney general and let's be honest this is not the case all the time. They are not truly separate from the presidency. It is always some form of little inside conversations and shit like that. I'm not naive.

Starting point is 00:22:33 It's the executive branch. It's 100%. It is. But to be so public about it, like Trump never understood from Sessions all the way through Barr, he never understood that the Attorney General of the United States does not work for him. They work for his cabinet, which represents the country, which does not represent his legal interests. And so, honestly, at the very end there, after the certification,

Starting point is 00:22:56 I did feel bad for Barr. Yeah, I mean, listen, Bill Barr, he is what he is. I mean, he did things I thought he started investigations which now you'll never hear about well I mean most importantly I thought that he actually well I should say this, he actually defended right when

Starting point is 00:23:16 even through the Kavanaugh hearings, I mean this guy was pretty much a staunch supporter of facts and reality until I think towards the end, when the whole election fraud stuff began. I think that's when he probably had a gut check and said, listen, there's not enough for me to really chase this down.

Starting point is 00:23:36 But up until that point, I thought he was very competent. I mean, he's not an Eric Holder type who turns a blind eye to major scandals. There's really no major Barr scandal that Barr missed something. The scandal about Barr is what he really didn't do when pressured by, I guess, Trump. You have Eric Holder with Fast and Furious. There's many examples of Eric Holder where he had the opportunity to do something he didn't, where Barr, I think, was pressured and didn't fold. So it's probably speaking to what you said, which is that they should try to have some independence from the White House, from the Oval Office.

Starting point is 00:24:18 And I think Barr was concerned about his legacy. And I think he actually, you know, he did what he thought was right at the time. And that really was what it was. Up until the end there, I thought Barr was very competent. I don't think he did anything that would have compared to Holder and some of these other clowns that have been running this show for a long time. This is going to be podcast 39 or 40. I haven't decided yet because I'm shooting you back-to-back with Chaz, so they'll come out one or the other first or second and i believe talking about this out loud this is the first time i'm going to bring up jeffrey f epstein which that's a little shocking like we've been at this for a long time and i haven't brought him up but i'm going to

Starting point is 00:24:57 bring him up with bar because bar is one that people haven't really looked at with that and i got my little tinfoil hat on and have some questions because – and actually, I've never really talked with you about Epstein, which is shocking. You and I talk about like the crazy shit like that. We've never really talked about this. I'm curious your thoughts. about him is that he was attached loosely or heavily across culture to powerful people whether it be actors who the fuck knows with them or politicians the trip that the trip to africa i don't want to cut you off but the trip to africa and uh chris tucker i mean come on man that that is like are we getting off right here i mean when i heard that i was like all right so

Starting point is 00:25:44 this guy has his hands in pretty much everything and but and again i don't i don't mean to cut you off but i where what did bar was there something that he should have done because he did it do you know they were you know how bar was attached to him i don't know that so i don't know that it's fucked up man okay like with epstein epstein's such a weird character because he goes back to when he was a college dropout. It seems like his long-term plans started – like he had a plan. And yet when you look at his story, you would think, oh, it started with him making a lot of money at whatever – I forget which investment bank he was at. But he made a lot of money and then got fired or something because it was shady. So you would think, okay, once he got money, then he

Starting point is 00:26:26 started using it for power and his six sadistic, whatever. But when he dropped out of college, and I forget where he went, or if he even went to college, he got a job under false transcripts at a very prominent high-end middle school or elementary school on the Upper East Side in New York. I forget the name of it. But the principal was Barr's father. And so this is where Epstein first made a little bit of money and then somehow – and I forget the full story – but there was some sort of connection that he made to be able to then get the job in investment banking. And then I think he cheated some people there and that's why he ended up getting fired. But he made money and then went about his whole life there.

Starting point is 00:27:30 So for me, and especially when we didn't hear anything about it after, with Barr, he was the head of the Justice Department when Epstein committed the most obvious suicide of all time as far as, of course he's going to commit suicide, air quotes. You know, like, of all the prisoners in the world at that time who had more dirt on people, you would think you would have that man in a single cell under 24-hour surveillance. If you are the Attorney General of the United States and you know your father is somehow weirdly and backward, like somehow tied to this, how do you not make that happen? So, first of all, I don't know anything about that connection. I think that that's – every story that anyone has about Epstein is – I mean, it's by a thread. I mean, I'm not saying that – listen, without more in front of me, I don't know the relationship. What do you mean by a thread? Well, everyone's theory about Epstein is by a threat. You can chop that.

Starting point is 00:28:07 You can slice that thread, and all of a sudden we just have a guy who was a pervert, who had money, and who died in prison. It's not that deep. We don't have to say somebody cut him a break, someone didn't investigate something. But my issue is you say that Barr could have done more, and you say where are we now? Well, first of all, if there was such atrocities, okay, that were documented, we have his girlfriend, whatever her name is, I don't remember her name, she was going to cooperate, okay? And this started happening towards, I guess it was maybe the end of Trump's presidency. I'm not gizlain, jizlain, gilain, whatever.

Starting point is 00:28:42 But my thing is, if this is such an obvious atrocity and there's so much corruption and entanglement with the government and why so then why isn't biden's administration carrying the torch because that i disagree that i i think that epstein was exposed under the trump presidency so that that's important to consider because he's been doing this shit for a long time he was doing with bill clinton he george bush obama uh a long time. He was doing it with Bill Clinton, George Bush, Obama. Let's not forget Obama. What do you do with Obama? I never heard anything about Obama.

Starting point is 00:29:09 No, no, no. Well, besides the fact that— Oh, like while— No, I'm saying that they had the opportunity. I mean, this guy's been a known pervert for years. Yeah, you're saying like he technically was still a free man. So I'm not going to say that Barr and or Trump somehow suppressed this information because, in fact, I think it's the opposite. I think they actually brought to light why they did it may not be actually pure motives.

Starting point is 00:29:29 They may have tried to do it to expose somebody else. I don't know if it's generally for the kids or what, you know, that phrase. But it's – I think Trump and that administration actually did enough to bring it to the forefront. You know, and it also gave some women courage to actually come out and i watched that documentary it was you know it was an interesting documentary i mean the guy was a definitional rich pervert but but my whole thing is um where where is the biden administration why aren't they carrying the torch this was such a heinous such heinous acts and there's so much political collusion why is it that now we had it exposed in the Trump administration,

Starting point is 00:30:10 whether or not it was the DOJ, why is it now it's off the face of the earth? We haven't talked about it. That's what concerns me. And that's why I think it incriminates probably more of the Democratic powerhouses than it would the Republican powerhouses. I don't think Mitch McConnell was hanging out in the Dominican Republic, if you get my drift. Well, the reason you run to the to the democratic side is is the clinton connection more than anything because he had 27 fucking flights with that guy he didn't well clinton's also a known pervert you know what i mean at least for as as far as we know at least clinton went for the of age women um still legal and perverted but i mean you know but and and you're right the lack of trust there is in in or not like a trust the lack of transparency and the the straight up just public in your face middle finger that so much of that situation is is what's crazy about it even that

Starting point is 00:31:01 documentary by the way which i thought was very well done like i i enjoyed it it was good that documentary was made by james patterson right who wrote a book with bill clinton and his friends with him how do you how do you create and and i'll give reed hastings credit reed hastings has been on record saying our job is not to be truth to power our job is to make content so i give him credit for being honest about that so it's on netflix you know he's put that out there however the documentary the people who make that like oh yeah this is gonna be the tell-all on epstein i don't know about that no i don't know about that no no i don't know and and listen there's something to be said about scratching the surface exposing the again literally that that that you know what's that what's what's what is that the loam of the earth is that like when you get, you dive a little bit deep past the actual, I think it's called loam.

Starting point is 00:31:49 I think it's called. The loam? It's loam. It's not nearly as deep as magma or the mantle. Oh, shit. You're going science-oriented. You're diving in just enough to expose the loam, you know. Is that like, is that where shallow graves are and shit?

Starting point is 00:32:02 I think it's a little deeper than that. Oh, so like deep graves. No, I think it's, we're probably, we're probably miles. Hoffa level? We're probably miles down. Well, Hoffa was crushed in a car compactor. That's my theory. But anyway, but my whole thing with, I think you're onto something.

Starting point is 00:32:21 I think that they, and again, this is all brought out during the Trump administration. I don't believe in coincidences, okay? I think that there was, they had, they were afraid that either the DOJ or Trump was going to get so upset over these career politicians that something that was a well-known secret was going to be exposed. So they got ahead of it at some point. I think that's kind of what you're getting at in the sense that the Pattersons of the secret was going to be exposed so they got ahead of it at some point i think that's kind of what you're getting at in the sense that the pattersons of the world are going to say all right let's expose this guy he was a pervert he little girls came over gave him massages they were a bunch of weirdos but yeah but the pop up bill clinton he didn't go over to the secret island

Starting point is 00:32:58 there was no submarines that he did i'll give him this credit they did mention that in the documentary it was not covered nearly as much as it should have been but it was mentioned and it did like they did discuss him and they did even i believe if i'm thinking of the right documentary i'm gonna have to check this after but they did have one of the women on there yeah describe an event where she was seen and they had the groundskeeper or something talk about seeing her with Bill Clinton at the pool on the island, and she was underage. Okay.

Starting point is 00:33:30 So let's give James Patterson at least some credit there. There was some of that in there. I felt that the biggest, the most coverage, at least from what I remember, maybe I didn't watch enough of it. I mean, honestly, God, I did turn it off after a certain point because I was so fucking disgusted by the whole thing. It was so gross.

Starting point is 00:33:44 But I thought that the Palm Beach thing was the focal point of what he was doing in Old Palm, you know, on the actual island where Mar-a-Lago is. What he was doing and the neighbors saying, you know, like I thought that was the focus of what was happening there. I didn't get to the part where they really talked about the island. Like I said, I turned the shit off. I didn't want to the part where they really talked about the island like i said i turned the shit off i didn't want to watch it but i i didn't know they really dove into the island um and what was going on there what allegedly was going on there but i know that the palm beach i mean it's a fact i mean he was having escorts um and that's that's the fucked up part about this jeffrey epstein was not going around knocking on you know doors and

Starting point is 00:34:21 meeting young women i mean these people these women were essentially trafficked i mean they had a couple that i think totally trapped i, they had a couple that I think. They were totally trafficked. I think they had a couple that through some kind of high school affiliation or group. Oh, dude, they were all like 15. I know, I know. I think they were, I believe they were sometimes as young as 13 or 14. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:34:38 They were sick. Yeah, but the one woman who I thought she kind of, she was more of the lead role in that documentary, she was from, I think, a local high school. I don't know if it was Dwyer. It was one of the local high schools. And I thought that she met him through some weird thing. Like she might have been in Old Palm and he kind of like met her or ran into her, whatever it is.

Starting point is 00:34:58 But the majority of these women you're talking about who he brought to his island, they were victims of sex trafficking i mean you know they're not we're never going to hear their stories assuming they're alive you know what i mean assuming they're alive there's a lot of them that forget like oh some were paid off or whatever which doesn't solve shit you know it's it ruins their lives that there's some that probably just this a lot that probably just disappeared. Yeah. You never heard from them again.

Starting point is 00:35:28 Well, I think that – Who cares? Like that's how they treated it. That's how sick it was. I know. I know. Yeah, I think they've become – yeah, I mean they're commodities. It's a shame.

Starting point is 00:35:37 I mean they look – Exactly. There's no – who are you tracking down? Girl number 175? It's a shame, but that's the reality of it that's probably why you know it's unfortunately one of the cleaner crimes because i think they just basically rip you of your you know uh your person you don't have you know there's no name there's no you know social security number there's no there's nothing there's no home there's no home

Starting point is 00:35:58 address there's no home phone they pray they prayed on girls who in on girls who, in general, girls who had some sort of, what's the word I'm looking for? Like they had some sort of disadvantage. They were from a broken home or they were, they had previously been abused or something or they were in trouble, you know, as like a kid. And they would prey on them and offer them a little bit of money. And then, you know, Ghislaine or, I don't know how the fuck to say her name i don't give a fuck she's a horrible human she but she just i mean dude and and and there were even like the stories like she would like join in on like a threesome with that like what kind of six sadistic fuck wants to do that you know and then try like you're, too, and you're trafficking.

Starting point is 00:36:46 I will never understand that. I'm not a woman, but I will judge on that. How the fuck does a woman do that to girls? She was a girl once. I mean, listen, power is power. And I think that these people are sick fucks and they want power. But, I mean, she's like a creepy-looking woman. Oh.

Starting point is 00:37:05 I mean, her face, you look at her face, and she's like, we don't really have the faces of we've seen some shit and know some shit. She has that face like she has a lot to tell. She has the villain-in-the-movie face. Absolutely. She really does. 100,000, dude, absolutely. And her father did, too.

Starting point is 00:37:24 I don't know anything about him robert maxwell oh man you gotta you gotta go down the rabbit hole man robert maxwell was a media tycoon okay in out of britain and he i believe he was partially or all jewish so he might he might have changed his name that's going to be important for my little maxwell's not a... It's not. It's not. But just like there's been... Jon Stewart changed his name. Stage name, probably. Exactly.

Starting point is 00:37:52 So there was something about fraud. He quote-unquote committed suicide or was murdered or jumped off a boat. Where are they? Is Hitler attending bar there? I mean, where the fuck are all these people at? Dude, it's such a fucked up story.

Starting point is 00:38:08 That's why I can't believe we haven't talked about this. That's crazy. But he was, I think they were sailing on the Mediterranean or some shit, and he fell off the boat. And he died. And then a month later, it was exposed that his entire media empire was a fraud. It was like an Enron. Oh, really?

Starting point is 00:38:23 Like he had built something and then fraud on top of it i don't know ponzi something like that so his sons were left to hold the empty bag but gillane was his daughter right right so people have speculated and this is one of the tinfoil hat theories out there that maxwell was actually the father it's less speculation there's some relatively a lot of people speak on this a little bit more clearly and and like yeah i think this was the case that he was a massad agent or a massad asset which then gets the tinfoil hat theory of was gilane which then and now you're getting three lines down the whole thing. But now it's like, well, was Epstein agency, which is essentially their CIA, which is the most talented intelligence agency in the world and best assets, best everything.

Starting point is 00:39:34 Of course, they're always under attack. They're trying to survive. Got it. I don't think even they would go to this level. Like why do you need an asset that's gonna do that there's a lot of things somebody can do fucked up to be a quote-unquote asset that's why i don't really believe in that conspiracy theory i'm more like i don't really think that makes sense because you're not gonna condone that could you imagine if they ever got caught with that israel would

Starting point is 00:40:02 be bombed off the face of planet earth that day because every single tyrannical government who hates them just because you know it's a jewish country would now for like five minutes have the ability to say oh well they're the worst people on planet earth see ya yeah i mean it's such it it's such a fine line with this shit i mean we you know and i don't want to listen i don't i i so i'm not just deflecting and using obama but i mean you know it's a part of me thinks that if we did find this shit out i mean what would it really change anything i mean we have we we've we've had drone strikes throughout the Obama administration. You know how many innocents died?

Starting point is 00:40:48 Well, I'm going to push back on you real quick. You're technically right about Obama being drone happy. And where I'll call out Obama is that when he campaigned back in 2008 when he was first running, he called that out. That was one of the things he said, we've got to stop doing that, right? Well, he wanted – yeah, generally, yeah the things he said we got to stop doing that right well he wanted yeah generally yeah right because george bush had been doing this that's the thing though george bush had been and dick cheney had been doing it like crazy and so when he got in there and people talk about this all the time the thing about obama was he was green when it came to foreign policy he was a domestic domestic senator, you know, a junior senator who was,

Starting point is 00:41:26 he was a community organizer before that. This was not a guy who was extremely well-versed coming into office compared to other candidates on foreign policy in the Middle East. Like, let's just be honest. So when he gets in there, all these agencies, all these guys who guess what nsa cia fbi whoever all these guys these suits they were there before he got there they're going to be there after he leaves they know one order of business which is this is the established way we do things we come in we tell you what the threats are and by the way if you don't do something about it it's your ass so they walk in there and say mr president there are six attacks that are going to happen today. You're going to have 12 September 11s in the next five minutes if you don't do something. And so he goes, fuck it.

Starting point is 00:42:09 And he's going to use the drones. And so, yes, he was drone happy, but is more to me from the outside. And I don't know. I don't know. But from the outside, it's more of a problem with the order of business of the institution that then forces the hand of guys who are constantly in cover your ass mode. So Obama gets in there. He goes, well, shit, I fucking campaigned on this. institution that then forces the hand of guys who are constantly in cover your ass mode so obama gets in there he goes well shit i fucking campaigned on this but i guess all right well

Starting point is 00:42:29 can't have a terrorist attack on my watch boop okay cool and i gotta tell you if i'm in that position million decisions a day looking out for my reputation whatever fuck if i might do the same thing yeah well all right two things number you kind of, in a different way, said what I said earlier about when Trump came into office. There were people there, just like there were with Obama, who had an agenda. I don't disagree with that at all. Who had a plan.

Starting point is 00:42:57 I don't disagree with that. And Trump, even though he did lack the, well, quite frankly, honestly, I'd rather have, well, whatever, I'm not going to try to stop. I'm going to bash Obama five times tonight. So I already did one, so I'm going to save it. But the problem I have is it's the same concept. It's the Obama comes into office.

Starting point is 00:43:18 You have a community organizer, like you said, out of Chicago, who he had an option. He was in – and Chicago's corrupt as fuck. They've been. You know that. So he goes in there, and he deals with the typical Joes who've been in – they've been on Capitol Hill for however long, whatever it is. And, right, he goes along with the drone strikes. Do I think Obama likes killing, you know, innocent, you know, Iraqis?

Starting point is 00:43:40 No, of course not. But what I know is that Trump went in with an agenda, and when it wasn't carried out or when he thought that these people that had their own agenda would somehow interfere, he had the firings and is proof of how deep the corruption lies with these people of power. I mean, it shows, I think it proves to us how far away we are. We'll probably never get there. Not that we're not industrious and not that we're not motivated i mean we will never for whatever reason get into that lap of of of power i guess it is or just i don't even know what it is just just i mean just sick and we're never going to really be able to relate to these people um and really never get an understanding of how they get away with the they get away with and why it doesn't really change the public opinion about it. I mean, it's so deep that we have all these different theories.

Starting point is 00:44:47 Like, you call it the tinfoil hat. There's about 50 tinfoil hat theories about Epstein and about, you know, the island. Oh, yeah. So it's because we will never fucking understand it. And I don't even think – and it's clear because Trump, obviously, towards the end of his presidency, was ready to pretty much – unless he was somehow going to incriminate himself, he would have thrown anyone under the fucking bus. I mean, he was ready to go.

Starting point is 00:45:07 This was it for him. I mean, he was all in. And I don't even think the President of the United States has the ability or the intel or whatever you want to call it to really dive deep into these issues and to what's going on. I really don't know. You don't think he has the ability to dive deep on intel on Jeffrey Epstein? Well, deep, no. I actually do not believe that. And I don't't know. You don't think he has the ability to dive deep on intel on Jeffrey Epstein? Well, deep?

Starting point is 00:45:25 No, I actually do not believe that. And I don't believe that, and I know I— Because you think he's being blocked by the agencies who would have that information. I think it's such secretive shit that not only the DOJ can't figure it out. I don't even know if Bill Clinton knew the depth of it. I really don't even know if Jeffrey Epstein knew the depth of it. And I think he was—and he's basically the ringleader but two aren't what do you mean jeffrey epstein didn't know the depth of it the depth of the corruption and and the and how easy it is for

Starting point is 00:45:54 a guy like epstein because epstein never held political office he wasn't the richest man in the world he's not bill gates he's not we also don't even know what he was worth which is creepy well and there and that's a whole different conversation because there are people out there we all talk about the bezos and you know there are people out there that have a lot of money and nobody knows about it but but what i'm saying is that bezos we know his stock yeah we know that we do know that epstein it was like oh he's a financier what the fuck is a financier yeah well was he building a construction site i didn't see any fucking buildings going up with epstein construction on it or epstein fucking investment bank finances i didn't see any of that shit he was like some investor who clearly held some people hostage and got dirt on them just to

Starting point is 00:46:33 be able to say he was investing their money or yeah but that's kind of what i'm getting at is or you look at the other side of the coin which is there are people that knew what he was doing and it somehow it benefited them in such a way that we'll never really comprehend. And he was just another person that was allowed to get away with the sick shit he wanted to do. I mean, he derived no, to our knowledge, there was no monetary gain out of what he was doing. I mean, he was obviously spending money to have these flings or whatever it is. I mean, he was— What do you mean there was no monetary gain?

Starting point is 00:47:04 Well, how did he gain money from being a pervert? He didn't. I mean, how... I mean, unless you're... Oh, he... Oh, dude. He definitely blackmailed people. Oh, my God.

Starting point is 00:47:16 Yeah, see, I don't know about that. What do you mean you don't know about that? I don't know if he was blackmailing people. The man had a painting of Bill Clinton in a dress. I think smoking a cigarette. I'm not sure. We'll pull up the picture. He had a painting of Bill Clinton in a dress in his house.

Starting point is 00:47:31 It's art, by the way. Oh, I'm sorry. Is it going to be an NFT? It could be. Did they make that in an NFT yet? That would be. Anthony, are you listening? Make that in an NFT.

Starting point is 00:47:41 Yeah, it would be like Dave, you know, ep queen would all of a sudden buy it buy it back some guy in cuba never heard of him but you really don't think that i use that to make i i think he would have been he would have been killed a lot oh i shouldn't say that oops are we good in here now we're good i don. I don't think he would have died so abruptly if he was blackmailing the Clintons of the world. And I'm sure there's a lot worse. I'm sure there's a lot of sick shit. But, I mean, honestly. I think he's wearing Louboutins in that picture, too.

Starting point is 00:48:20 I can't see the red bottoms, but maybe not. Either way, Bill Clinton in a dress pointing at you in the Bill Clinton thing, you really don't think that that is the ultimate sign. Because people walk in his house and they see that. You don't think that's the ultimate sign of, I fucking own you. You walked in here, you already did too much. I fucking own you.

Starting point is 00:48:37 You're going to give me whatever I want. I don't know if it's that deep. I really don't. It could be. But everybody knows about this. Let me ask you a question. Who do you think is more powerful bill epps or bill epstein jeff epstein or bill clinton define powerful well that's that that's that's it right there isn't it it's i think that the people that had that poll again it may not be their bank accounts it may not be the monetary gain out of the activities that they're doing there are people that actually have the blackmail power they control the banking systems they control um you know the trick i mean all these deals i mean you know nafta whatever you

Starting point is 00:49:17 have whatever you want to call them you know in each country i mean there are people that are obviously pulling the strings for this so those are the type of people that I'm saying that they may have the, I guess, the clout to actually blackmail a Clinton or blackmail an Epstein. But you don't blackmail a guy and then have that in your house. I mean, Barack Obama arguably may have walked past that picture. So where's the – I don't think Obama was in was but where well well he was on he was on their jet ski i mean you see first of all all right this is number you love is this

Starting point is 00:49:50 number four i think you see this is number i think i'm down i'm down the three and we also have to get in it we have to i do not like obama you love him i said you would have a beer with him right now i said that before but i wouldn't see yeah but the problem the problem is i would have a beer with him because i'm not an asshole okay there's not really many politicians that there are and we maybe we'll talk about them but i'm down to three so but i don't i don't want to listen you don't blackmail somebody by by hanging a piece of artwork in your house you also you also a normal hold on let's go with the normal person a normal person also doesn't get sexually turned on by a 13 or 14 year old that this is not a normal person yeah but you're you're yeah but you're talking about

Starting point is 00:50:29 i i think they're a little bit too so let me ask you a question so if i if i blackmailed you okay if i knew something about you an event let's just say and i had an artist paint the event and the way i perceived it at least least I'd imagine that Bill Clinton. Well, who the fuck knows? Maybe he wasn't addressed at some point in his house. I don't know. But if I had someone paint a picture of that moment and hang it in my house, I mean, what would your reaction?

Starting point is 00:50:56 Would you still pay me at that point? At that point, I would say to myself, holy fuck, this guy is trying to blackmail me and has the secret hanging in his house which i know because i'm bill clinton chris tucker probably saw kevin spacey who's a pervert probably saw i mean that's not how you blackmail but i understand what you're saying i get your i get the gist of it um and i didn't even get this guy would get himself photographed with anybody and sometimes it was like totally or at least on the surface innocuous like there are some great people i'm not gonna even name names with it but i have seen people who are who he probably just found a way to take a picture with to be like oh i know this guy oh yeah well

Starting point is 00:51:35 actually and here's the one thing there's so many scandals of trump being a coos hound that are probably true because he is a fucking coos hound and this might be the only one where it's actually on record where they couldn't fucking tear him down for it because he is the one of the only people who ever publicly said this guy is a jerk off and he's not allowed anywhere near where i am because he kicked him out he kicked him out banned him for life from mar-a-lago back in like i think the 90s because the guy like came on to some 15 year old towel hand or something some girl and trump said if that guy ever comes near my property again like put a bullet in him so this was like this was the one time the one time like trump has probably fucked 700 million women in his life and this is probably the one time where they were like oh shit he's actually

Starting point is 00:52:24 he's kind of covered on this one which makes it even crazier because he was around this guy for years yeah i mean so who's petrina ryan clyde i mean is she in on the blackmailing the artist you know what i mean like i at some point, listen, Bill Clinton, again, he is what he is. But there's something deeper with this shit with Epstein. But, I mean, we've given this fucking pervert enough fucking time. What I meant to say earlier, which you didn't let me get it, so I'm putting it down. I'm three left. You should also get sponsored and have, like, an Obama counter when I come on.

Starting point is 00:53:02 But did you see the picture? You love him. You have to look this up. You're going to admit it before you leave. You love him. and have like an Obama counter when I come on. Did you see the picture? You have to look this up. You're going to admit it before you leave. You love him. Look up picture of Obama with Jeffrey Epstein. I mean, tell me if, I mean, I don't even know. He looks like, I think like any member of a sixth grade class,

Starting point is 00:53:25 what's the high school around here? Mullica Hill High? I don't know. I think any member of that sixth grade class, man, female, or whatever you identify as, could beat the shit out of Obama after looking at this picture. I mean, this is the most. I mean, there's nothing coming up on Google. I'm searching over here.

Starting point is 00:53:42 I'll show you. I just typed. I've never heard of anything with Obama, with Ep epstein there's like this fake do obama someone made this fake meme you'll see it right there where he's like giving obviously that's fucking fake look up look up obama um obama vacation epstein maybe oh come on i'm you. What are you going on Infowars.com? No, it's a real thing. I'm not lying. Oh. Obama vacated.

Starting point is 00:54:11 That's Richard Branson. I know, but they're all hanging. I just want to show you Obama in this. This is right after he left office. I remember this. This is not with Epstein. Epstein was there with them. No, he wasn't i there are some

Starting point is 00:54:28 people believe it or not who because richard branson is like the ultimate networker of all time he knows a billion people like people who aren't known whatever i know a few people who know richard branson well no i have no problem no i have no problem richard branson no all right just look up obama kayak and then we're done. Obama kayak. That will count as number... That's like number seven, dude. No, no, no, it's not.

Starting point is 00:54:51 I'm down to two after this. Obama kayak. Obama kayak. I really do believe you love him. I think you're a secret Obama sporer. Obama kayaking. What is the point of me that's not how you spell kayak

Starting point is 00:55:07 it's not alright good who's pulling the kayak you know what I mean obviously Michelle is doing all the work in this picture he's not doing shit come on

Starting point is 00:55:22 I mean look at him he's sitting back there going well i've been working for eight years michelle's ready to go all right i think i'll let her do it okay come on dude relax well whatever like you love him i i you're you're you're an enormous obama i said i would like to sit down with him and find out. I really want to know more about his childhood than I do anything else. Why? Because I want to know

Starting point is 00:55:51 where he came from. Because he's he presented, you see now you have these absolute unapologetic, basically socialists that are members of Congress. I mean, they really are. They call themselves democratic socialists. He's not endorsing them let me finish he's not but i want to know where where does he wait who is he where does he draw his political line i mean is are there things on

Starting point is 00:56:16 the right besides being somewhat of a neocon when it comes to foreign policy is there something that that that he can draw the line and say, you know, I'm on this part of the political spectrum? That I don't understand. That I'll never understand about Obama. I really don't know. I don't know where he came from. He, first of all, as I alluded to, he doesn't endorse Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. He is is you know and and i'm not i'm not a fan of obama i've talked about that before i'm not really it's hard to find someone i'm a fan of to be honest with you but at the same time one of the things that i do think gets ignored by him even if he's you know a big government status or whatever people call him especially like the libertarians

Starting point is 00:57:02 they're all over that all the time and they might might not even be wrong. He's a part of the system. Fine. Okay. Whatever. Like they care about it more than I do. I don't love that at all. And I don't support that, but it's what it is. He was on record early on. I mean, I think this one is even from a few years ago. There's a video. I want to play this. This is him talking about like woke culture because look, the connotation we make here when we talk about the AOCs of the world and where the craziness of the movement is where it's like it's not Democrats anymore. It's whatever the fuck it is. It's constantly playing down to the lowest common denominator of whatever the worst possible thing is to say like that is the rule and not the exception and that's therefore what everyone has to follow. But Obama has given speeches like this and it is pretty compelling to me. You know, this idea of purity and you're never compromised and you're always politically woke and all that stuff. You should get over that quickly.

Starting point is 00:58:01 The world is messy. There are ambiguities. We should get over that quickly. The world is messy. There are ambiguities. People who do really good stuff have flaws. People who you are fighting may love their kids and share certain things with you. And I think that one danger I see among young people, particularly on college campuses, Malia and I talk about this.

Starting point is 00:58:35 Yara goes to school with my daughter. But I do get a sense sometimes now, among certain young people, and this is accelerated by social media, there is this sense sometimes of the way of me making change is to be as judgmental as possible about other people. And that's enough. Like if I tweet or hashtag about how you

Starting point is 00:59:00 didn't do something right, or used the word, wrong verb, or then I can sit back and feel pretty good about myself. Because man, you see how woke I was? I called you out. He's right, man. I get on TV. He meant pronoun there.

Starting point is 00:59:18 Watch Grown-ish. Either way. It's a very different thing. You know, that's not that's not activism. That's not very different thing. You know, that's not activism. That's not bringing about change. You know, if all you're doing is casting stones, you know, you're probably not going to get that far. That's easy to do. Yeah, I mean, look, I remember somebody who i knew who went to law school with him

Starting point is 00:59:46 at at harvard was talking about what he was like there and obviously it's years ago whatever but one of the things that made him unique is that a lot of the classes would literally be divided left and right where more of the open forum classes where they were discussing theory on law things like that and he would sit towards the middle and clearly you know he was he was sympathetic with the left side but he would listen the entire time and then restate whatever like a good lawyer right which you appreciate. Restate what both sides said and see something from both perspectives there, which I think he failed to do a lot of that as president. However, looking back now on every presidency since Clinton, I would say, I think I've seen that pattern in either direction. And so when I look at what McConnell and the Senate was doing with him while he was in office versus now what Schumer and Pelosi were doing with Trump and now we're seeing McConnell with Biden again, which we haven't seen enough of yet. such an ultimate opposition to no matter what comes out of this dude's mouth who's on the other side i'm not going to do anything about it and i'm going to create a public pr campaign where

Starting point is 01:01:10 we say well this is what we believe and you know mitch can get up there and be like i looked at him and said mr president we are not gonna vote on that justice you know you see these moments like that and it's not about progress it's about like who can stick it to the man and win for their side better so the the first thing is with the video you just showed so basically what obama said and this is why obama was a great statesman that's what he's known as the great statesman what's a statesman i i guess it's it's the ideal you know leader of this country a true american um you know the the one thing I will say is what he just said was not don't be woke, don't believe in, he meant pronouns, he said verbs, but he's saying don't go about it in the way that people are doing,

Starting point is 01:01:59 which is basically cancel culture. That's what he's saying. He goes, you know, don't cancel, don't ruin someone's lives because they are, they have families, they have kids. He's not saying their message is not right. He's not saying that. He's not sitting there and actually saying, no, what you're saying is inaccurate. He's saying how you're doing it is not productive. And I think that is next level of, hey, ass assholes we're trying to create this country

Starting point is 01:02:26 with these ideals with this ideology and you're shoving it in the faces of people in middle America you're shoving it in the faces of conservatives in the northeast business owners and stop it

Starting point is 01:02:37 let us legislate however we do it and we'll get it done for you it's going to take some time he has no intention you ask him if the next question was do you believe he they she and we don't have to dive into this of course he is going to side with the left side of that argument he is yes and he's on the left side but

Starting point is 01:02:55 hold on hold on i i i need to push back on this you are saying that he's basically saying shut the fuck up and let the let the real people take care of this. And you're causing a problem because you're yelling in people's faces and telling them that they're racist, ism, whatever, of every single word. And it's hurting and detracting from our argument because there's other people going, well, shit, I don't like being called a name and I'm not that thing. And so then we get people on the opposite side of the political spectrum as a result. The problem there is that anybody who has a political belief on the left or right side, of course – do you think that if I put Chuck Schumer and Ted Cruz in separate rooms and ask them every single belief they had politically along the basic lines and then ask them do they think the country would be best if all of their beliefs were put into place? Of course, they're both going to say yes, because that's what they believe. So someone on the left is going to hope that whatever beliefs they hold that are from the left are going to be taken into place as or put into place as legislation. Obama's no different

Starting point is 01:03:59 like that. What he's saying is that allow the conversation to happen. Don't beat it down people's throats. He believes in that case, the way I'm taking it, he believes in his ideology so much that if it is put in an open forum where people don't just judge each other and they have each other in a conversation around facts and the opinions that are injected into them, he believes that his ideology is good enough that it will win. And I will tell you that there are people on the right side, insert whatever right winger you want to have, who would say the same thing from their angle too. And of course they want all those things to win. It doesn't mean that they're gonna, and it doesn't mean that what he's saying is not correct or not actually from like a good place. I'll defend him on this and say that he's saying, let people talk. Don't

Starting point is 01:04:43 just tell them, don't label them. Don't play lowest common denominator with them. Let them talk. And then just, he actually believes like the right side ideas are so bad that they're going to lose. Yeah, I mean, again, I'm not, I, first of all, you have to look at two things. One, the ideology. If you agree with it, you agree with it. If you don't, you don't. That's a whole separate issue.

Starting point is 01:05:03 But he is saying flat out, and I know what he means by this, he's basically saying, you know, why don't you take the King approach? Take the, you know, the peaceful protest, you know, strength in numbers type of approach. Again, he's not saying, he's fundamentally agreeing with everything that we're seeing. Essentially, he is. But what he's saying is do not, you know, break into, you know, conservative, you know, groups in, you know, whatever college it may be, you know, UCAL, whatever it is, I don't

Starting point is 01:05:40 know. Don't break into their meetings. Don't, you know know start attacking people on campus he's that is clear and and obama has never been that guy but at some point i almost want to say to myself i'd rather know my enemy than have to deal with this sideshow swamp bullshit where it takes us years to figure out what the agenda is i'm not saying what do you mean by well in other words obama obama has created the allure of this middle of the road guy i don't think he is deep down i do not believe he is okay i think he's i think he's a left-leaning

Starting point is 01:06:15 guy um so i don't think he's created a middle of the road appearance i think he he is very honest about well yeah i have a leftward belief, what was the significance of that then? The significance of that was to counter the young, woke, as he described it, attitude towards opposing beliefs. But he's not saying, listen, I don't like your beliefs. Your beliefs are not, this isn't how you act. You need to stop this behavior. You need to be more cordial. He's not saying that.

Starting point is 01:06:47 What he's saying is, listen, I'm with you people, but we did it the right way in my day. We had the marches. We got into the communities. We organized. We changed. Remember, change. Without, you're saying without pressuring people or forcing them or outwoking them in this case to do so which by the way i think is fine because if your ideas are not good enough i do agree with him

Starting point is 01:07:14 in that way even if i don't think his ideas would win some of them would like i you know i kind of am all over the spectrum with my political beliefs so there's some things that he believes like hey this would make the country better i'm like yeah it would you know and then there's probably some things that if ted cruz brought it up he'd say hey i think this would make the country better and i'd say yeah it would recently like some of the free speech stuff with tech platforms of course right so that's one i would agree with him on the the difference is you're putting it in a in a in a forum where it's the ideas being put out there and it's a true quote-unquote in that case like to use the symbolism here peaceful protests you know like

Starting point is 01:07:51 we made a joke out of those because it's a fucking MSNBC reporter talking in front of six fires and saying it's mostly peaceful protests you know and so suddenly peaceful protests weren't it was like a buzzword of like okay that means the opposite what he's talking about is no don't shout down ben shapiro if he comes to uc berkeley let him speak challenge him with ideas challenge him with questions and you know what what he says is it's on camera it's out there let people decide for themselves there are more politicians who do need to say that what i would like to see what i would like to see from Obama that I don't, where I think he's failed, is backing this up when more things happen publicly. So, like, this is a speech he gave, right, at the Obama Foundation Summit.

Starting point is 01:08:34 It's at his fucking foundation, right? So, I don't see enough of this. I also don't appreciate the fact that his wife regardless and we'll get into end of trump's presidency here but i don't appreciate the fact that his wife is written i'm not going to say she totally speaks for him but it is his wife writes a letter telling social media giants to ban donald trump who was still at the time the sitting u.s president of the united states from social platforms because she felt like in a trial that hadn't happened yet, and he was later found innocent, that's just what it was, she felt like he had done X, whatever it

Starting point is 01:09:10 is, and that that was the bridge too far and that, you know what, we need to ban him from that and ban him from the social place where people actually put ideas in the modern 21st century. That and then not saying anything to that or like you know his wife saying hey i'm going to send this out and and being like yeah you know i think that's cool honey yeah i got a problem with that that's fucked up well all right well first of all don't say a fucking bad word about michelle obama she's a goddamn goddess second of all the again i think i told you you love the i think my my problem is i taking—my argument is ideologically driven. Yours is—and you're more of a moderate.

Starting point is 01:09:50 And it's admittedly, you're more of a moderate. You are. You have a whole different spectrum of beliefs, and I'm with that. But, you know, with him, I just—I see the writing on the wall. This is a very—listen, with the climate, how it was, this, to hear this is refreshing. Even to me, it is refreshing to hear somebody say that. It is because he was the champion of the left at the time. I mean, it turns out it wasn't nearly as left as it's gotten since he's been out.

Starting point is 01:10:21 They call him a war criminal online. I don't know if you've seen that. Obama? Yeah. A lot of them do. Not all of them. a lot of them do not all of them a lot of them do listen i you know what the leftist leftists oh i'm sure they do and there's but you know what you're breaking brand when you start making fun of obama on the left i don't care how far left you are um you are you are kind of you're breaking brand and and i don't think um you're gonna i'm sure they're out there, but, you know, but he – listen, the one thing, again, is I don't know where he really stands. I think in my heart of hearts, I think he is kind of an AOC type in the sense of his rooted ideology,

Starting point is 01:11:01 but he's also older than AOC, okay? The guy, for whatever it's worth – I mean, listen, the guy didn't really have a handout in his life. He's not exactly somebody. So, so, you know, he's a type of person that probably has seen more shit than AOC can ever imagine. AOC probably never got called a slur in her life. Whereas Obama, I'm sure has a notebook full of times he got called a slur. So there's a different approach. He's a different age. It's a whole different vibe. But the reality of it is, this guy, Barack Obama, he's not really saying what you think he's saying there. At least, I don't believe that. Again, the fact he said it is refreshing. But you're going to see, I think, coming up, you're going to see

Starting point is 01:11:46 people turn. I don't know if you saw Ilhan Omar, which he just said recently, about Donald Trump. No. What'd she say? So she kind of applauded Trump's, how aggressive he was with getting checks out to the American people.

Starting point is 01:12:01 If you recall, right before Ilhan Omar said this. You can look it up. And the CNN reporter was as shocked as you were. The question was, I think, do you believe that Donald Trump was more motivated to get checks to the American people? And Elon Omar said yes.

Starting point is 01:12:19 And you can watch her face drop. I mean, it's kind of unbelievable. But you're going to see that more, I think, because, you know, Donald Trump, again, for what it's worth, he really wasn't super ideological. He basically did what he thought was going to help. It's always good for Trump, in all honesty. That's whatever. Well, yeah, I disagree with that. But, I mean, he also thought about the American people, which, you know, that's why the it's yeah i disagree with that but i mean it's it's he also thought about the american people which you know that's why the bernies and the he thought about the people

Starting point is 01:12:50 who were at the rock concerts which i'm not i'm not even faulting i disagree i'm not even faulting him for that i'm not even faulting him for that like that's fine there were a lot one thing you have to say about trump is he saw with his eyes a lot of people who had been willfully ignored by every party for years. He did. He did. Including... I don't mean to cut you off.

Starting point is 01:13:13 Go ahead. Dude, cut me off. That's good. Including our African American populations. I don't care what you say, the numbers do not lie. Black unemployment... Give me some numbers....was down. Okay? Was down. I don't care what you say. The numbers do not lie. Black unemployment was down. Okay?

Starting point is 01:13:26 Was down. I don't know. Listen, we can look it up. That's why we have Google. Yeah, so we're going to look it up. Tell me about those numbers. I think it was actually, I want to say it was in the 20% to 30% range. What was in 20% to 30%?

Starting point is 01:13:41 We're seeing a 20% to 30% growth in in black employment so the unemployment number if you just you just flip it so you're looking at whatever number you had you're just looking at 20 to 30 percent essentially growth in in the actual employed african-americans in the country so he i like context okay i like context and i so one thing i'm going to say before i comment on the sc right here, and we just pulled this up, so we'll have this on the screen right now and it'll be in the show notes for people just listening, is that just because one thing was happening doesn't mean that the other thing didn't do things right or do things wrong depending on what direction it went, which now I'll bring it back and not speak japanese it does not mean necessarily that you could say definitively obama was bad for the black community and trump was good or trump was bad for the black community and obama was good but you do have to look at the trends of numbers and where they happen from so when i look at black unemployment for example black unemployment went what were the numbers down here? So if we're looking at –

Starting point is 01:14:47 This is men, by the way, just so you know. This is men, and that's fine. So we'll start there just because that's what I can pull up right now. And yes, that leaves out obviously the entire – one entire gender, but this at least gives a picture of where the statistics may at least be somewhat lying or laying whatever the word is so august 2007 6.8 unemployment we know the housing boom or crushes is coming after that it starts climbing precipitously throughout 2008 and 2009 it peaks in march 2010 at 19.3 now that's unemployment unemployment for your fans now obama came into office January 2009. He did. And I've talked about this before on the podcast. Obama inherited one of the – he inherited the worst deck since Roosevelt came in, in 29, I think that was. Okay?

Starting point is 01:15:38 And it's not to say, like, hey, everything he did after, he's got a free pass. No. But he inherited a bad deck. So that trend was already climbing insanely. So you see, March 2010, a year after he's in office free pass no but he inherited a bad deck so that trend was already climbing insanely so you see march 2010 a year after he's in office it spikes yeah then we look throughout all the years 2011 2012 2000 it spiked it what was that number right there in march 2010 that was 17 or it was like 18 something 18 i can't get my clicker on it 19.3 okay by the time obama's out of office so april january 2017 it's at 7.0 so by the time obama left if you want to look at the date he got into

Starting point is 01:16:16 office january 2020 it was at 14 14 and a half he had split black unemployment regardless of whether you think it was his stipulations that did it. He split black unemployment in half. And Trump then continued the trend very well, which may have been credit to Trump, and got it all the way down as low as 5.3%. COVID notwithstanding. Can we look, though? Can we show the chart? When was the last time we had under 6 percent right there i'll show you there it is

Starting point is 01:16:49 it was that it was in the 70s 1973 okay but wait and look at and again this doesn't even make sense to me why well look at 20 i guess this is probably i assume it's pandemic related. It can't be Joe Biden related. What? The final part of the chart? It just spikes up. I mean, it's... It spikes up with the pandemic. So it gets... June 2020.

Starting point is 01:17:12 By June 2020, it's at 16.1. And then by, let's say, the end of office, right? So December 2020, where I can get my clicker, it's down to 10.4. So it started to recover. And it's still recovering. And again, technically, Biden's a part of that recovery. Is it Biden's policies? I don't know.

Starting point is 01:17:29 There are trends that people inherit. And so you can't in a bad or good direction. You can't necessarily say that. So what I would say is that my question for you would be, what did Trump do specifically that says like, hey, he was much better for the black community than Obama? And the reason I do ask it is because I have heard, and it's the minority of people, but I have heard some people in the black community say like, who aren't necessarily fans of Trump

Starting point is 01:17:56 either, like kind of think he's an asshole, but be like, yeah, you know, he's better than Obama for us. Why is that? He creates more skilled and unskilledilled jobs and that was through cutting regulation. He revamped the tax code and it actually motivated small business owners to actually start hiring. He was a vehement

Starting point is 01:18:13 opponent to the... Vehement? Yeah, opponent to the... Roger Clemens? A vehemently... Is that what he says? I misremembered. We obviously read the same tea leaves, I guess. I vehemently deny that. I misremembered. I misremembered. Roger Clemens.

Starting point is 01:18:26 We obviously read the same tea leaves, I guess, conservative tea leaves. I think they call it Glenn Leavitt. No, but in all seriousness, he also, aside from the business side, which is an obvious, that's an obvious. We don't even have to talk about that i don't think anybody on earth who has a half a brain cell is going to tell you that trump obviously stimulated the economy in the sense that he made it easier for small businesses to survive he made it easier for businesses to open he tried to simplify the tax code as well but i'd agree with on the other end which we'll never see and it's really oh but it's really by i almost call him oh biden which it's really well mike mike see see see see see see see see see see the thing is the thing is you know the thing but um uh the the real uh thing that we never got to see and ivanka

Starting point is 01:19:14 um and you know me i mean this is huge for me is um really tackling the prison system tackling how we look at incarceration. I'm going to come in with you on this. Trump needs to get more credit for this. This is one thing he was right on. He did. Trump, it's funny. He ran on law and order and continued to do so in a lot of ways. But he ignored the George Floyd shit and was an asshole on a lot of things.

Starting point is 01:19:40 One area where he was pretty good was on the mass incarceration which is a problem it is uh it is a problem and the statistics are the statistics i mean it's it's you're having um you know you have obviously a major issue and the source of the issue whether it's you know the way we fund things whether whether it's systemic racism, whether it's our culture, whatever it is, we have a problem. And I think state by state, we're going to see, listen, drug related offenses, obviously. I don't, I mean, I don't really know. I used to be the guy that said, listen, I like to smoke weed, but I realized some people can't handle that shit and it's going to fuck their lives up. So let's not make it decriminalized.

Starting point is 01:20:25 I'm not. I've matured. Good. It shouldn't be. You know, we shouldn't have these one or two time offenders. I mean, it's just not right. It's fucked up. And honestly, I'd rather have, if this makes any sense, I'd rather have a more stable nuclear family with a dad who smokes an ounce a week than have him behind bars and have a mother who already has an uphill battle trying to raise a family. 100%.

Starting point is 01:21:00 So to me, it's a no-brainer. And not only is it a no-brainer, it actually helps people like me who are these, you know, I'm all about taxes. Who is getting hands in my pockets? Why am I going to energize a system that makes more and more people and families and children dependent on it when I can have a simple fix to at least kind of recreating and reaffirming the nuclear family which i think is is a positive thing whether or not you believe in um you know what listen gender identity aside the nuclear family of having people surrounding you and different types of people man woman whatever you know that's important for children i mean that's a no fucking brainer

Starting point is 01:21:45 it's something that i don't know if you ever saw the clip but candace owens was on a stage with ti killer mike and a few other people i forget their names and they were having a political debate and it was it was it was some sort of like black community debate so the audience was prime was primarily black people invited candace but and you know ti there were a few times where ti really got candace on on some things but there was one time where candace was very right about something that wasn't political and the audience was trying to turn on her because they've been pissed at some previous stuff she said right and she was talking about the statistics particularly in the black community of like the nuclear family problems and like um single

Starting point is 01:22:31 mothers like burst below the age of whatever like all this shit over the years and killer mike stood up and he's like a lewis farrakhan guy yeah and he's killer mike is an interesting political guy he's really all over the place there's a lot of things i agree with he does yeah he does and then some things i'm like what the fuck but yeah like i i respect him a lot because he's always been vocal and he goes on stages like this and puts it out there and he and in my opinion like he's a very good even if you don't have to agree with everything he says which you it's almost impossible to, no matter what direction you come from. He's a guy who is willing to put that out there for the conversation.

Starting point is 01:23:10 And he spoke up, you know, I'm not a Farrakhan guy, but he likes some of the things Farrakhan says, minus some of the anti-Semitic stuff, obviously, and things like that. But he gets up, and Candace Owens is getting booed, given some of these stats, and he goes, Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I'm a big fan of Brother Farrakhan. And he's been saying this shit for years. It's just because you don't like the person saying it doesn't mean that what they're saying is wrong. broken so many homes with these archaic laws that are also like baked in to attack certain communities that they wouldn't attack other communities on right just naturally based on like the environment itself that then it creates this never-ending cycle and actually did you see

Starting point is 01:23:56 um there's a documentary on netflix still on there called the 13th you watch that i i watched a little bit of it i didn't finish it it. But I know what it is. Fantastic. And it's by, I forget her name, but she's a very left individual, the person who made it. She's not the author. Oh my God, no.

Starting point is 01:24:17 What the hell is her name? I gotta pull that out. The 13th, the director. What the fuck is her name? Because there is the one. Ava DuVernayay that's it so so she she's openly a very left individual but that documentary if people haven't seen it it talks about the 13th amendment and the whole abolishing slavery and everything and how a lot of the u.s

Starting point is 01:24:39 criminal system and the penal system and the prison system left a lot of that in place over times and created these cycles where families – when you're born into a home with the dad in jail, the ability of you to be an upstanding citizen who goes and makes right decisions by the time you're a teenager or a semi-adult goes way down. And it's not, in that case, as far as your environment goes, your environment was not your fault, right? So, that documentary lays a lot of beautiful things out about that, not beautiful things, but bad things out about that that makes a beautiful point, which is, you know, we need to have some empathy for that and figure out how to fix this system and so when i look at it i'm like well we you know to not have that and to take that for granted in certain communities and not have it in others it's like well let's look at the root cause and when the root cause is some simple shit like weed which now by the way a lot of white people are profiting off of the fact that

Starting point is 01:25:46 weed is being legalized in states and they're fucking making business i mean canada's reaping in it i know all white people not to over generalize here but people that are there are but it's mostly fucking white people like if you want to play the race quote-unquote card with this like let's call it what it is the people who end up profiting off of it are not black and so yet we have a system where all these people have been thrown in jails for fucking years and so we have kids who are kids of kids of kids of kids of kids generation on generation and you know what they never had a chance and that's that's not their fault so i mean listen what you're saying what you're saying and and i at least I think this is what you're really saying, is, you know, Trump at the very end, I'm not trying to bring it back to Trump, but he, you know, he gave a shit about the American people. And this was one area that we neglected.

Starting point is 01:26:40 And listen, Ronald Reagan, I believe, again, I believe, this is just my belief, I think he was probably one of the greatest presidents in the United States. But he was faced with an epidemic. Why? He was faced with an epidemic. Well, just in terms of, number one, we were dealing with probably one of the

Starting point is 01:27:00 most volatile foreign, I guess you want to say. I mean, we were on the brink of a world-crushing war. I mean, it was, we were not dealing with another world war II. We were on the brink of what could have been the end of probably mankind. And he handled it with such, you know, professionalism for a guy who was basically, I mean, listen, he's from Cali, you know,

Starting point is 01:27:27 and those guys are just fucking, you know. Well, there's a – we've got to look at this video. It's a video of Reagan in a movie. He just smacks this lady. It's probably the craziest fucking shit you've ever seen. This guy was president. But he was faced with a crisis a long time ago. He was faced with an epidemic.

Starting point is 01:27:47 And it had a lot to do with IV use, crack cocaine, whatever it be. It was really mostly intravenous drug use. And there was an AIDS epidemic. You're talking about the two, in my opinion, the two greatest whiffs of his presidency right now. Well, I understand that, but I'm saying that that was something that was new to the United States in a mass scale, and especially in the communities that it impacted the most. I mean, that was the last thing. After the 60s and into the 70s, the last thing these communities needed was an injection literally of fucking

Starting point is 01:28:25 drugs and and disease so he had a knee-jerk reaction like a lot of presidents probably would have had i don't think racial jungle biden would have had any better stance against this or chance against reagan and clinton combined are the people who really when you look at the box is one of the worst things that ever fucking existed. The two of them together from opposite political ideologies were fucking horrible for every urban community in this country. But I don't jump down Clinton's throat like the left jumps down Reagan's throat. Clinton made a knee-jerk reaction. But really what I'm getting at is this, which is what you said. Do we have to start concentrating on American exceptionalism?

Starting point is 01:29:06 We have a diverse group of people in this country. I mean, I'm talking religion, race, whatever you want to call it, gender. I mean, we need to do things to stimulate these economies, these smaller economies. How do you do that? What's going to change? Well, number one, stop the mass incarceration of fucking petty drug users. Okay. I'm not talking about, listen, gangbangers, black, white, whatever.

Starting point is 01:29:37 Define a gangbanger, just to be clear. Well, I'm talking about somebody that will actually engage in violent crime to actually, I guess, increase their margins. So if it's knocking another guy out, another, you know, competitor, so to speak, you know, and I'm talking to this from a guy who doesn't sell drugs, but, you know, somebody killing somebody for some kind of, you know, monetary gain over the sale of drugs that those people deserve to be in jail the people that don't deserve to be in jail are the the people that the veterans who deal with uh crazy amounts of depression mental illness who deal with intravenous drug use who may get are you talking about drug users of course yes totally agree with that and i'm just saying

Starting point is 01:30:23 there's a spectrum of them you have the people that haven't worked a day in their life, and you have the people who are, you know. But how did they get there, too? I have a lot of empathy for that. I think a lot of it's mental illness. I think mental illness. And how did they get to there? Well, that's a whole different animal. Right.

Starting point is 01:30:39 But there's a problem in this country with mental illness. Oh, absolutely. And that nobody's prepared. Barack Obama wasn't prepared. And again, I'm not saying that Barack Obama isn't. a problem in this country with mental illness and absolutely and that nobody is prepared barack obama wasn't prepared and again i'm not saying that barack obama isn't trump wasn't prepared trump wasn't prepared we're not we're just scratching the surface on this shit well it's covid now too and it's getting worse covid is revealing yeah a lot of it and there are some people that i would never think about who you you know, I'm concerned about in my

Starting point is 01:31:07 life right now. Sure. Because I get, I get the texts, like I'm stressed out all the time. Some people are texting me sometimes like, dude, you okay? My aunt's calling me up, like talking to me on the phone, like, Julian, you okay? I'm like, I don't know. There's not enough fucking hours in the day. I'm, I'm fucking fine. And at the end of the day, like, at least I can say that. There are other people right now who, when I talk to them, they don't say to me, I'm fucking fine and at the end of the day like at least i can say that there are other people right now who when i talk to them they don't say to me i'm fucking fine you know and and even if they did they might be lying but either way like they're not saying that and it's because like there's so many fucking thoughts that go through your head and so many pressures especially people in their

Starting point is 01:31:39 20s and 30s in the modern era like maybe they're married maybe they're not maybe they have real responsibilities maybe they don't maybe they're not maybe they have real responsibilities maybe they don't maybe they feel a certain way about their success or their hopes for success now and and and now they don't and now you inject the fact that you're separated you're in a pod like you're out there you're locked down it's not a normal world you can't be social all the time you can't remind yourself that other people are out there who think the same things or worry about the same things that suddenly you're like oh my god and you're just on social you're looking at all the fucking chicks on on tiktok who look perfect you're looking at all the people on instagram who

Starting point is 01:32:12 are talking about their lives that apparently are still happening and suddenly you're thinking oh my god i suck that is a real problem yeah and it is a problem that's just being exposed by covid and i like that you bring that up because it was already a problem, and we haven't addressed it. No, it needs to be addressed. I mean, obviously I'm not a psychologist or a psychiatrist, but the one thing I will say is that you've got to be comfortable in your own skin. I mean, you have to be.

Starting point is 01:32:42 I mean, I always take the approach of who gives a fuck i mean i have seen so many different people i mean they've dealt with so many different things and i've known about some of them and sometimes i probably didn't know about it but at the end of the day it's like who gives a fuck you just be you okay and everybody else will either adapt and if they don't adapt then obviously that person has no business being in your fucking life. But it's not that. The problem is that I have that mentality, and as far as I know, I don't have any mental illness. I don't.

Starting point is 01:33:17 I don't know. I mean, I have the general anxiety I think that most people are feeling through COVID, and I read an article. an article was really good it was a it was about the sunday scaries and how they got scarier um but my my whole thing i haven't heard that term in a while the sunday scaries yeah we used to hear that all the time all the time in college but so all right so well i will talk about this but the the thing is it's for me it's easy to brush it off as like, come on, relax. But for fucking people, you can't. And they can't relax. And that doesn't work.

Starting point is 01:33:50 And hearing it from multiple people doesn't work. And sometimes getting the phone call doesn't work. Does it take medication? Maybe it takes medication. Counseling, something. And I think it's changing. It's one of those things we've done. There's a lot of things that our generation has done wrong, but there's also a lot of things that our generation is doing right.

Starting point is 01:34:10 And I think mental illness awareness is one of them. I think we're getting there. We're getting there. I think the issue with drugs, mass incarceration of, I'll call it all drug users because i'm pretty sure there's more white incarcerated people that are drug users just based on population um but hold on push back on that i and i don't have the numbers in front of me and also you have to worry about per capita too because like you know 12 of the country's black 66 of the country is white meaning more white people use drugs 100 100 but by like the law of averages here duh right but the issue that i think is is actually bigger in in the black

Starting point is 01:34:53 community that that is the problem with it is the number of people who are put in a in a desperate situation that is unwinnable whether it be no father in the house whatever it is poverty situation all these crimes come out of money it all comes back to money you look go look at the famous murder trials even look at like who's like some famous stupid you know white chick fucking like jody arias even like i didn't really look at a lot of that trial it all comes back to money jody arias was like that chick that killed her her fiance or some shit she was like kind of hot like librarian hot but not like really hot she's kind of weird looking to be honest but she got sentenced i hate that i don't watch it i hate that shit but it all comes back to it right yeah so you see this and i look at it like a lot of people who are actually in the culture forget the users which is a problem and fine yeah like there's a lot of

Starting point is 01:35:44 people across all races who who devolve into that because of whatever their environment is and whatever their life is going on mental illness whatever but there's also the actual culture that moves that and so like you and i we we've talked to josh about this a ton of times because josh grew up in the bronx and and he had a lot of friends who were in that. And it's like he, to his credit, earned every fucking thing he got and found his way out of that and is this unbelievable individual who we've all always looked up to. But he grew up around a lot of guys who maybe he was friends with them when he was seven or eight and they were good kids and they never had a shot.

Starting point is 01:36:23 They didn't get those opportunities that he earned for himself. And so, you know, when they're 13, 14, they're carrying a 45 and saying, yo, Josh, walk on the other side of the street. I got you. Right. I have compassion for that in the sense that what the fuck else were they going to do? I mean, look, I remember when my buddy, Kevin Gallagher, who was on this podcast, actually, told me back in high school.

Starting point is 01:36:47 He was like, he was like, Joey, you got to watch The Wire. It's the greatest show of all time, but it'll teach you about the world. It'll teach you about what's wrong with this country. And I'm like, okay. And I had always been a Sopranos guy, but I'm like, all right, I had heard The Wire. I'll watch it. And I watched it. And I remember I finished it in like three weeks.

Starting point is 01:37:02 I didn't do anything else in my free time. I had to watch the whole fucking thing and my dad did too my dad got into it like within two episodes i was like dad you gotta watch this he did the same thing and you watch that and it's scary because yes it's a fictional show but it's a fucking documentary with actors in it yeah because it paints a picture of these environments and where people like what the fuck else are they gonna do so yeah but that again i i'll hearken back to it's this is american exceptionalism should be all-inclusive and it can be and it's not it doesn't have to be well it is ideologically driven.

Starting point is 01:37:45 I mean, it is. You either give a shit about making us – and I'm saying us, inclusively, us the greatest country in the world. That is the ideology. That in and of itself is an ideology. I mean, it's not – again, it's not saying we have to do it alone. I'm not saying we're taking like a protectionist and nationalist type of standpoint. We're not Venezuela who had the blunder of thinking that they can all produce for themselves and survive that way. Well, they printed money. Well, that's a whole different conversation.

Starting point is 01:38:19 But we have – Well, wait. Actually, on that point – But we'll leave that there. Go ahead. But you have to actually pause for a second and kind of mute the shit about every other thing that's going on in the world. You got to mute the shit about foreign policy, mute the shit about the border for a second. I'm not saying this isn't important stuff, but you've got to generate and direct your attention to all communities. I'm not talking about direct your attention to New York City, to New Jersey, to California,

Starting point is 01:38:56 generally speaking. I'm talking you need to have a targeted plan to actually address the communities that need help the most. And I'm not saying that you need to do it by an influx of cash. I'm not saying you need to do it by propping up public school systems that are failing. I'm not saying that there needs to be, I'm not saying the government needs to reach out and grab every person by their hand and carry them to the promised land. Because if that was what was going to work, it would have done years ago but you need to come up with a creative and and quite frankly a a very fucking

Starting point is 01:39:32 um aggressive approach to how you treat these communities they're dealing with it i think what you said was on point number one mental well mental illness number two the drug that decriminalizing a lot of drug use um you know i i think those are steps but we have to actually figure out really how we're going to education is one you know there's a lot of things that we're missing in these communities we we talked about that last time education well we did but it was it was basically a a way to take a shot at um you know betsy uh steel bitch devos i mean she was you know and i don't have a problem with her quite frankly i mean but i'm just saying that that that's pretty much that we all we all that see that was a problem with the trump presidency sometimes we didn't really have an opportunity to really actually look at what was another example

Starting point is 01:40:23 though why the fuck did he hire her? She had a, I guess she had some sort of connection. She did. She was a fucking donor. Her brothers that had a Blackwater. I'm not saying that. I'm not saying, I'm saying she had some sort of connection to education. She sent her kids to school.

Starting point is 01:40:42 I don't know what it was. I don't know what it was, but she, listen, I'm not saying. She got molly whopped from day one. Well, it wasn't her role. It wasn't her role. No. It wasn't her role, and that's fine. But listen, the same thing hasn't changed, and you know the thing.

Starting point is 01:41:01 You know the thing. I just saw that, by the way that's fucking hilarious your mug yeah his mug says you know the thing you know he goes well what i forgot the actual we should probably watch that i mean can we at least balance out the obama with that goddamn video that's hilarious but anyway i get you know what actually to go completely back to something you said probably like 20 minutes ago i need need to see this Ilhan Omar video of her saying Trump paid people fast. This is an example. This is really directly on point because this is an example of how Ilhan Omar, through all the shit that she says and does, is actually saying in a way, yeah, through this black heart of mine mine i do give a shit about the people where

Starting point is 01:41:46 is she from michigan is she well like like this she's got sinister motives man she's not oh you weren't okay i thought i thought you're going racist on that i was worried about you no i was worried about you because i want to have the head because i wouldn't want josh to get upset with me you ready yeah i'm ready here we go when you look at this and this specifically this uh agreement when it comes to reducing the cap on the relief checks do you see this as joe biden abandoning progressives i see it as a really disappointing development. We obviously are now ultimately sending more money to less people than the Trump administration and the Senate majority Republicans were willing to. There are going to be about 70 million people who will get less money. This is not the promise that we made. This is not where we are given the opportunity to be in the majority in the Senate and have the

Starting point is 01:42:52 White House. And so ultimately, it is, you know, a failure when we compromise ourselves out of delivering on behalf of the American people and keeping our promise. Can you imagine a producer in her ear right now you're saying that here it is trump wanted to deliver more in the way of checks for americans than biden yeah so the last check look at her face this is the producers in there like cut cut had uh given you know 17 million her head just moved you see her head turn over like Oh my god And that is going to be

Starting point is 01:43:30 something that we're going to have to explain and I don't know if many of us have a logical explanation on why we are delivering less than what the Republicans were willing to compromise us on delivering on behalf of the American people You're facing some headwinds in your own party, on the Senate Republicans were willing to compromise us on delivering on behalf of the American people.

Starting point is 01:43:50 You're facing some headwinds in your own party on the Senate side, of course, but when it comes to moderate Democrats, that's part of why it got cut down from what you wanted in the House side. What do you say to those Democrats? Fuck you. I mean, again, I just want to remind them that, you know, you are giving the opportunity to have the majority in the Senate because the people believe that you were going to fight for them. There were promises that were made and they ultimately have to be kept. We are legislators entrusted to deliver. CNN lady's face is killing me. We're not going to be able to blame Republicans for our inability to deliver on the promises that we made. This is just us now negotiating amongst ourselves. The House is controlled by.

Starting point is 01:44:37 All right. I was going to say, please don't let me watch it. All right. So first of all, I want to hear your take on it. But quickly, listen. Has she been seen or heard from since? No, of course she has. There's a simple explanation to this.

Starting point is 01:44:51 Do not, do not bring a socialist on to CNN and then have them try to somehow say that they aren't happy that Trump's giving out checks to american people do not tell a socialist that so many is less or more aggressive about giving free you know basically money that's that's not to mention this is our money i mean it's just cyclical i mean it's just you know it so don't don't don't don't underestimate a socialist and when you know they're they're you're going to talk about getting a check from the government i mean they will go full as you just saw republican on your ass did cortez say anything about this i don't know i don't know she's still hiding from ted cruz because ted cruz she didn't hide from ted cruz she went right back at him yeah well no but she's going back i will give those aoc this she does shit hits the fan, she's still tweeting back.

Starting point is 01:45:48 She does throw heat over and over. Even if you don't agree with the heat or if it's completely misplaced, she throws heat over and over. I don't know if she has any social awareness. I mean, sometimes she says things and I'm just like, I don't even know. Or she just, listen, to be frank, if I went from AOC, who was a, I guess, maybe five, six years ago, was in some kind of like Boston University. Didn't she go to Harvard?

Starting point is 01:46:16 Not undergrad. I think she was Boston U. But she went. Anyway, the point was they had a recruiting video or a new student video and she was in there dancing she went from that to being her moment of fame

Starting point is 01:46:32 to being AOC I'd have that mentality too if I were her the neighborhood that she represents the district she represents she is from there though right? that I don't know it's in New York I'm fairly certain she is from there though right that i don't know it's it's in new york i'm fairly certain she grew up she may have i don't know which actually you know and and believe me i like i think the shit she says is crazy half the time

Starting point is 01:46:56 and like you know even finally i'm not gonna get into it but you see a lot of people who don't necessarily even like come from where they represent they represent or can't hold a candle to the neighborhoods they claim to represent. She does have that argument in the sense that she grew up there, I believe. And we'll check that later. I'm pretty sure. Did you see who she unseated? Crowley. Right.

Starting point is 01:47:21 You know, what's his face? Our boy, Zach. Careful. I won't go beyond that. Right. You know, what's his face? Our boy, Zach. Careful. I won't go beyond that. Yeah, I hear you talking about that. Our boy, yeah. Yeah, gotcha. Leave it at that.

Starting point is 01:47:35 I never asked her about that. He was such a dick with the goddamn money. Oh, he was. We know. We're talking about the same person. Don't. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We'll leave it at that.

Starting point is 01:47:44 He's a listener. Good. We love you. We love you.'re talking about the same person. Don't. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We'll leave it at that. He's a listener. Good. We love you. We love you. You're our brother. Thanks for the invitation. I think Meek got an invitation. Meek did get an invitation.

Starting point is 01:47:58 I don't know that he responded. Something was going on there. I don't know what it was. I mean, I thought my shtick was stealing kegs from people's backyards, but there was some deep-rooted shit going on there. I don't know what it was, but it's... I will never forget that weekend we talked about earlier. You coming up to New York.

Starting point is 01:48:17 Yeah. First of all, the most out-of-place culturally motherfucker I've ever seen in my life. We get on. We took the train in to do that. Yeah, we did. I never took the... You know what? I wanted you to come along for the on. We took the train in to do that. Yeah, we did. Yeah. I never took the, you know what, I wanted you to come along

Starting point is 01:48:27 for the experience. I didn't know how far it was. I wore Timberlands because I was going to New York. I thought it would be funny. And you, I think it was, it was a long walk.

Starting point is 01:48:35 Do you remember what you said when you sat down on the train? No. This was a Friday night train out of North Jersey into New York. And I never fucking take the train into New York. But that night I'm like, ah, I got Spear up here. We'll do the full experience. Yeah, yeah, sure. and i never fucking take the train into new york but that

Starting point is 01:48:45 night i'm like i got spear up here we'll do the full experience sure so he sits down on the train this is beginning of march 2016 and like we plop down in the seats it's packed it's like the six o'clock train like the prime time going to new york friday night train we're going in there for the weekend he sits down there's like one month two one thousand three and he goes holy shit like looks up like like like oh my god i can't believe i did something like what he goes forgot my new york values god damn it and he said it really loud and at the time you know ted cruz had been on the campaign trail talking about my new donald trump's and his new york values and everything and so everyone in the train's fucking

Starting point is 01:49:25 looking at us and i'm like god damn it i can't take them everywhere anywhere but we did get in there to penn station that's where that train went into and i did make you walk four and a half miles to 83rd street and second on uh in some timberlands yeah yeah no that was a long walk i remember that that was pretty crazy i kept on telling you it was a mile. I know. And every time we went a mile, I'm like, eh, not a mile farther. I should have pulled my phone out. I never did.

Starting point is 01:49:49 I just kind of kept walking. Well, it was a nice walk. You know, I had no problem with that. And then we went to our favorite pizza joint. I think you pissed in every single district or neighborhood. Nah, I didn't. Well, yeah, over the course of the weekend. Over the course of the weekend. I course of the weekend i have snapchats from kipps bay i have snapchats from the upper east side midtown i know some of this lower east side financial district a poker machine

Starting point is 01:50:17 in an undisclosed neighborhood that was a good one that was a good one that was there were like four people around and that poker machine took a golden shower it was it was interesting i remember um that that night we came in and it's a funny it's a funny story because um ty was on a train that was probably just a little bit later than ours you talking about typhi it yeah it was It was the Baker's Dozen at the time. So it wasn't in March. It was actually, I think, in January. It was the Fish Festival at MSG. You don't remember getting off the train and these dirty hippies were hula hooping?

Starting point is 01:51:00 You were the guy always in fucking college. We'd be playing Drake or some type of b banger music it'd be like you'd be sitting back there we'd be at the pong table you'd be like you want you want to play some fish i didn't i didn't throw some fish yes you did that's not true i like i like the grateful dead you are grateful that i like the grateful dead that's about shit. You got that underneath the tracksuit here. What does the t-shirt say? It's just Grateful Dead. Grateful Dead.

Starting point is 01:51:32 I got a guy coming in here in a couple weeks who's a big Grateful Dead guy. I wasn't a fish guy. I mean, it's okay. They're good musicians. I don't think that I need to listen to all of it together. I never got them. I didn't get it. I get the concept of what they're doing, but again, I think they're all good musicians,

Starting point is 01:51:51 just maybe they shouldn't all be playing together. It could be maybe one guy goes and does his own thing. It's a lot. It's a lot. It's long. It's a lot. I mean, it's just a lot. It's like elevator music for stoners.

Starting point is 01:52:04 It's the same You're just there But I don't know Well speaking of elevator music Cause when I think of elevator music I'm a little fucking tuned up now So I'm going all over the place But fuck it

Starting point is 01:52:16 We're going with it We're having a good time Hey you're doing a good job So Elevator music I think of background noise right Yeah Like the shit you don't notice So We were talking about Epstein earlier And There's been some news this week your music i think of background noise right yeah like the shit you don't notice so we were

Starting point is 01:52:25 talking about epstein earlier and there's been some news this week talk about it too about i guess it was like two weeks ago or a week and a half ago whatever where oprah interviewed megan markle and and the prince carson wentz Yeah, he just put his house up for sale back here. Oh, yeah. Dude. Whoa. Whoa. I saw that house.

Starting point is 01:52:51 Dude, I'm looking for land, but it's way, it's overpriced. It's like, he almost wants two. 1.7. He wants two million dollars to live. It's in Woodstown. Yeah. You know what's in Woodstown? Nothing.

Starting point is 01:53:02 Nothing. Not a goddamn thing. Nothing. He's got a lot of land, though. A lot of acres. Ten acres. That's it? That's it.

Starting point is 01:53:09 Wait, I heard it was 20. No. I don't think so. I haven't been on the full property, but he owns the woods back there, though. It's ten acres. No, but he owns the woods behind there. That's more than ten acres. From his home to the woods is maybe an acre and a half, two acres.

Starting point is 01:53:22 That's not a lot of space, but he owns ten acres. It's ten acres in Woodstown. What the fuck are you doing in Woodstown? I drive out here all the time. Listen, I've been looking in this. We're totally off track. That's all right. Fuck it, dude.

Starting point is 01:53:35 We're going with it. I've been looking in this area because I think it's kind of remote enough for me, and it's not too far from major roadways. It's not too. That's right. Dude, it's 25 minutes from philly it's a it's basically the way i look at it it's kind of the same commute my dad had to have from marlton where we were it's just a different way of looking at it's a different approach you're coming more from the south and he was coming more from the east so i mean it's kind of a wash in a

Starting point is 01:54:01 sense but it's it's just like i just can't just can't bite the bullet to live in fucking places like Woodstown. You live in a nice palace in Philly. I wouldn't give that up. Yeah, but it's— Even with COVID, places. Immaculate. Yeah, I don't really— Uncle Dylan's got his room there, too.

Starting point is 01:54:20 Who's that? Uncle— You said the bedroom's reserved for Uncle Dylan. No, he's he i think he slept no oh oh yeah him and his dad this was a good one um the uh the pizza joint on south street where i also got this track suit oh no what's it called oh no you You know, the big, the, goddammit, Lorenzo's. Yeah. They have the giant pies.

Starting point is 01:54:48 Yeah, it's fucking huge. So I said, you know, we went there after the Bucknell Temple game. Ray Bucknell. So anyway, so we get the Lorenzo's, and they're like, you know, him and Dylan, him and his dad, oh, man, we're hungry, man, we're hungry. I'm like, all right, well, dude, I'm like, the pizzas are huge here. Like, they're, oh, we'll get, let's get two pies. I'm like, all right. Well, dude, I'm like, the pizzas are huge here. Like, they're, oh, we'll get, let's get two pies. I'm like, no.

Starting point is 01:55:08 I'm like, dude, they are enormous. I'm like, you can't eat. You can eat two slices, maybe. Oh, no, man. We're getting one pie. We're getting one pie. He goes, all right, let's get the meat lovers. I'm like, I'm like, they have a meat lovers pizza here?

Starting point is 01:55:21 I didn't even know they had it. It was like on the smallest corner of the menu. basically was like don't fucking try dude it came out with i i mean you had i called it if you were trailer park boys you know what i'm talking about dude it had a it had a cock of pepperoni it was just it was just thrown on there they had they had sausage mean, it was like... A little sausage. I had one. And I had actually intentions to go out that night. They had probably three apiece. Dude, they... Dylan doesn't eat carbs very much. So when he does, he indulges.

Starting point is 01:55:56 Well, he did indulge. Him and his dad indulged. They were both face down on my couch in my living room downstairs. So when you said the Dylan room, the only time i ever think of dylan sleeping in my house is face down next to head to toe with his dad and uh and they didn't make it out that night and i'm not surprised quite frankly i'm not either yeah yeah that was um he yeah dylan man great guy i don't know where we were going with the – this started with like the Markle and Prince interview with Oprah, but fuck if I remember where I was going with that.

Starting point is 01:56:32 I think you were going to – well, I don't know if you were going there, but my initial thought was we were talking about woe is me. We have a – That's not where I was going, but I know where you're going. We have a royal family member and pariah of the Philadelphia Eagles. And Megan Markle. So their net worth together, I don't know. What is it? I don't know. It's got to be over $100 million.

Starting point is 01:57:00 I don't know. It's not nearly as much as you would think. Sitting with Oprah, who's obviously a billionaire and quite frankly deservedly Oprah is I will tolerate no slander on Oprah Oprah is the best fucking interviewer I've ever seen

Starting point is 01:57:17 and one thing I will say about that she was getting some shit for that interview she was fucking phenomenal I don't think she did anything wrong she did a phenomenal. I don't think she did anything wrong. She did a phenomenal job. I didn't watch the whole thing. I miss her. I miss,

Starting point is 01:57:28 like that was, my mom never watched TV. When she trained her clients and stuff, she would have like, good morning America in the background or whatever. So like I knew some Diane Sawyer. She was, she was a goat too.

Starting point is 01:57:39 But like, I don't even know if my mom watched it, but she would always just have it on in the background. The Oprah show. When I come home from school. Oprah's a goat. She was, dude, she could make anybody feel comfortable and just kind of get those answers and do it in the most subtle way.

Starting point is 01:58:00 And I watched that interview with the two of them. I thought she bodied it, man. And regardless of what you think of it, I thought as far as her getting after, like, all right, let's figure out what the story is here. Whether you believe it or don't, and we could talk about that, like, she just nailed it. Well, I mean, the thing that concerns me is, like, the dust doesn't settle on our conversation. It's not about us, but it's the bigger picture. We just settle the dust on a conversation about the plight of the average American, especially the ostracized and the obviously disenfranchised. And then we're talking about an interview with a couple who we perceive,

Starting point is 01:58:39 and it's really not a couple. I mean, it's really Meghan Markle. It's really not. It's really not about him it's about her and we why do you say that well because he what is enticing in this culture in this in the way that the media perceives news about this guy his mom dude yeah that's a whole different hold on that's a whole different thing he grew up with That's a whole different thing. He grew up with that. What do you mean? He grew up with the bullshit. As far as I'm concerned, regardless of whether or not it was some inside job or whatever,

Starting point is 01:59:13 which is some conspiracy theories, and maybe it's true, I don't know. But they fucking killed his mom with what they did to her. Oh, yeah. Listen. Who was a queen, by the way i understand that but i'm just saying that they they they they create this environment where we're you think we're interviewing these people who basically like you know like i i don't even know how to describe it like they just like jumped off a boat at you know at ls island and they're like you know

Starting point is 01:59:43 like asylum seekers who are like my family abandoned me because we were biracial and now we have nowhere to go we're talking about millionaires who are at a villa that's probably a hundred million dollars talking to an interviewer

Starting point is 02:00:00 who's worth probably a billion dollars and you want me to feel bad for these people? It's not about that. No, I'm going to push back on that. It's not about feeling bad for them. They are a part of one of the ultimate institutions. One of the ultimate things that in the 21st century

Starting point is 02:00:17 you can't believe that still exists. To you, maybe. Maybe. 1776 is when I stopped giving a shit about those people. That's what I'm saying. Back then it started to be exposed. And yet they're a part of this expectation society. And I got to tell you, I 100% believe her about what she's talking about with the whole.

Starting point is 02:00:41 With the baby? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. talking about with the whole baby oh yeah oh wait so you think that in 2021 yep the british uh the monarchy the firm whoever the fuck the monarchy yeah yeah gives you shit if there's a black bi-rate or a biracial baby bro i think you are naive to say that you think that that wouldn't happen dude i don't think they give a flying fuck about that i think you're out of your mind i think i have they ever had one what do you mean a biracial baby you have to we talk about probably not we talk dude we talk about it's a british family that we haven't heard about by the way but well maybe i don't know just like fucking just like fucking what's

Starting point is 02:01:19 his name biden down there having fucking yeah i'm sure there's something out there but what are we talking about you're in love with obama and biden i know you are i know you love him i know you love him you're honking your horn for biden you love obama either way either way still we're talking about what are the ultimate institutions okay and i believe that like we talk about environments it works both ways dude whether you're poor or rich or anything in between, you have a product of your environment mentality, and that can be positive, negative, and everything in between. And so when I look at these royals, dude, they don't like, you know what? I won't even use the word racist. I will not use it because it's such an overused term.

Starting point is 02:02:06 There are definitely built-in prejudices. There are, even if it's like they look at themselves and they're like, oh, we're not prejudiced, we're not racist, we love all people. Like, they're friends with a lot of black people and they're like, okay, yeah, like, we're cool, whatever. Once it comes home and suddenly, like, you're like, oh, shit, like, my bloodlines, like, oh shit, my bloodlines. They have some black in them.

Starting point is 02:02:30 Those old school bullshit ideas that human beings are created differently, which is what these things are born out of. Let's not forget that. That's how they think. They're like, oh no. Like the original monarchy. You think they were all about India? All about Africa and the places they colonized? No, they viewed those people as savages. That environment is built in and they do not view all humans the same.

Starting point is 02:02:54 And so when Meghan Markle comes in and has a baby and it's not 100% white, I 100% believe that there are some built-in prejudices, and I 100% believe that that conversation happened, sick as it is, because the environment has created one or created this idealism that like – in their mind, idealism that like, oh my god, if we're not white, we have a problem. Dude, we – our country was formed beating the problems with the monarchy system in 1776. Early on. Think about all the problems that still existed. You don't think race could have been one of them? I do. I fundamentally disagree with what you're saying. And I think that it's – why is because we're in 2021.

Starting point is 02:03:40 Yes, if we were looking at the Britannica in you know 1865 or 1920 i'm i'm sure someone out there's probably like britannica wasn't what's the britannica you know it's like an encyclopedia it was you know it was like the britannica what is that yeah that's what i thought there was there was literature out there at the time that literally said that different races were like fundamentally mentally you know like compromised they were like 50 years ago 60 years ago no well i'm sure they're not fit no 50 years ago jesus christ man that was like in the fucking what do you mean i'm talking about like 150 years ago i mean there was literature out there that they tried to convince we didn't pass the civil rights act here until 1964 there was

Starting point is 02:04:19 some bullshit beliefs i'm saying there was science out there, and it actually really was derived and began in the UK. Oh, like the bullshit science. Exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But they also, you know, like the, yeah, one of the craziest scenes, and you probably should have won a Grammy for this, or Oscar, when Leo slams the skull on the table, and he takes the little piece of skull out, and he tries to convince the room.

Starting point is 02:04:45 Oh, yeah. And Django Unchained. That was that. I'm talking about that type of crazy-ass literature. Yes, at one point in time, that's how they thought. It's a brainwashed culture. Well, yeah, but in 2021 or 2020, whenever they got—I think they got married in, like, 2018, I think. 2017 or 2018.

Starting point is 02:05:03 Whatever. But I'm saying, like, I don't think that was on the radar. And even, like, honestly, I look at her eyes. I don't look at the color of her skin. I look at her eyes sometimes, Marco, when she's talking. I'm like, dude, I don't believe a word this fucking lady is saying. Actually, I'm going to push back on that because, believe it or not, I never do this, but I was down the whole the whole like little rabbit hole bullshit

Starting point is 02:05:25 the other night and i was watching all these body language expert videos because i'm like i can't fucking believe these guys do this which half the time they cherry pick and whatever and but sometimes there's things that are true and i watched like 10 of them i was in this shit for like two and a half hours watching it and what's this mean i don't fucking know this means apparently that you think you're smarter than everyone in the room i didn't see it i didn't see analysis well you only saw 10 hours of it so maybe you missed that that was the 11th hour either way i'm saying like there was there was a lot of honesty and and disdain for it and look oh yeah dude i empathize with those kids and not just not just

Starting point is 02:06:05 what's his name harry right it's her he's harry williams the other one williams the other one right so harry and william they those kids have been through wars because they were a part of they were the millennials they were a part of the media culture they saw what happened with their mom that whole fucking tragedy and And again, like goat. And she was, I think she was fucking sent to her death. I'm not talking about the conspiracy, like they killed her. Maybe, maybe, who the fuck knows. But I'm saying, I think she was literally like, you know, that was caused by that because the fucking paparazzi and how bad they were.

Starting point is 02:06:39 They saw all this shit. And their mom also was an innovator. And I shouldn't even call it an innovator she was a realist in the sense that she recognized that we lived in this world of people of all different backgrounds and like these bullshit ideologies we had of like who was better than another person didn't really exist and she she was ahead of the curve with that and i think that her sons in her death and how it happened they learned a great lesson out of that. Like, shit.

Starting point is 02:07:06 Like, mom was, wow, she was really on to something here. And so, like, I admire Harry for that. And I admire him for doing the hard thing of, like, hey, like, this ain't it. Like, they did try to stick it out for two or three years there. And it wasn't working. Well, I mean, like, generally speaking, I just don't give a fuck about the royal family. But I guess, yes, I do feel bad that, of course,

Starting point is 02:07:33 who the hell wants to lose their mother in general? Who wants to deal with what they dealt with? Yeah. I mean, that's a whole different level of shit. So sad, man. But, you know, listen. Eagles fan, too. Diana was a huge Eagles fan. Was she really? Oh, my God, dude. But, you know, listen. Eagles fan, too. Diana was a huge Eagles fan.

Starting point is 02:07:45 Was she really? Oh, my God, dude. So. All right. She owned a house in Ocean City, too. Let's talk about, but anyway, your point is, I agree with you. Of course, Princess Diana was, she was something totally different. The best.

Starting point is 02:07:59 Out of nowhere. That's also, that's like one of my first memories, too. It's funny you say that. It's personal for me. Yeah, yeah yeah yeah no i remember when i was a tunnel it was a tunnel yeah when i was three years old yeah she died yep and the funeral i think like a billion people watched or something my dad was watching it it's one of the first things i can remember and i walked in and i was like i was telling this story last time he was like he wasn't my dad is not i've seen him cry once no seriously i've seen my dad cry i don't want to hear about that time but no at my at my uncle's funeral he was he was serious it was very serious and like

Starting point is 02:08:38 that was that was hard to see but i don't think he was he wasn wasn't crying, but he was, he was shook up by it. And I walked in the room. He just saved his ass. And I was like three years old. And I remember seeing they had the, they, what the fuck is the car called that drives the casket? The, I don't fucking know. You know what I'm talking about. The thing that looks like. The hearse.

Starting point is 02:08:59 Yeah, the hearse. That's it. That's it. The hearse. The hearse is driving down the road. And I was like like i was telling this story to to my friend's parents last summer i remember that because i hadn't really talked about it a long time but they were driving the hearse and i was like yeah what's what's going

Starting point is 02:09:14 on and they're like and and he had that moment where he's like oh shit like death my son he's like three years old like how the fuck do i explain this and my dad like panicked and he's like uh they're driving the princess to heaven. Said it just like that. I'll never forget it. And that was one of my first memories. So then when I was growing up, I would look in like,

Starting point is 02:09:34 damn, look at all the shit she did. Friends of Mother Teresa, traveling around the world, helping everybody out. And she stood up to them too. She left. That's hard to do yeah and her sons witnessed that so when i see harry talking and his wife like he clearly loves his wife like it is

Starting point is 02:09:54 very fucking real and i see that and i'm like yeah some some of this definitely makes sense and he also like he it seems like the queen actually is far more open-minded than the rest. Of course. And he makes a point of saying that. Like, yeah, too, my grandma's from a different fucking generation. And yet she seems to be the one kind of like, yeah, all right, cool. Yeah, I mean, I guess I just don't really give a shit about it. But it is interesting.

Starting point is 02:10:30 I don't really, I just, I really don't care for Meghan Markle. I just, I. Why? Because she goes, I feel like, I just get the sense that she has targeted kind of this institution for whatever you want to call it. Listen, I'm not a supporter of it, but I feel like she's doing this for other, it's motivated by other things. I mean, if you have that much of a falling out, can you imagine you and your mom or you and your dad

Starting point is 02:10:57 getting into a nasty, brutal argument, whether it's about race, whether it's about whatever, religion. Would you want to go in a fucking public forum and air your beef out without them there? Of course not. Listen, there's a motivation here that is so far beyond what you and I think about that it amounts to two things. It's either one, she loves the fame, which wouldn't surprise me given their lifestyle now, given what they're doing, or two, she loves the money.

Starting point is 02:11:32 And quite frankly, I don't give a shit, again, about what her motivation is or what his motivation is. But at the same time, it's like, what are we doing here? You're talking about a failed system. I mean, we have proven that UK bullshit crown is a failed system. And at this point, it's like, whatever. She fucking, it's like, who gives a shit? I don't care. I just don't care. But Spear, you're saying on one hand that you don't give a shit about it

Starting point is 02:12:03 and also then judging her for coming out against this institution that you claim we beat in 1776. You can't have it both ways. She's calling out things that seem to be old school. Whether or not you believe her, I guess it's up to opinion. I believe her, right? And she also waited a long time to do this. They left. They were ripped in the media for leaving ripped for a year and a half they didn't say shit about it they very minor

Starting point is 02:12:33 comments or whatever so finally they bring in oprah who they're friends with who who also did a great interview and asked them everything gave them the platform to be able to you know speak their truth about it and let people judge it and like i'm not gonna lie man i like i fucking believe her so yeah i i don't this isn't like a um like i haven't thought about this a lot there's been two times i thought about this interview the first time was when my dad brought it up to me and i told him i don't give a shit about it. And the second time it was brought up to me was tonight when you brought it up to me. And again, I repeat, I don't give a shit about it.

Starting point is 02:13:11 But it's obviously a major, major thing. I mean, we're talking about probably an interview of the royal family, which I include them in, that we probably won't see for a while and we haven't seen in a while. So listen, it's a significant event in world history. And at the end of the day, though, my concern about this entire thing is I think deep down, because of the society we live in, I think it is slightly politically motivated, and I don't want –

Starting point is 02:13:49 What is political about saying, hey, there's a – well, let me restate that. Yeah, be careful how you word that. Let me restate that. Yeah. What is left or right in modern-day society saying hey there's this institution that you know doesn't it doesn't seem to accept some things as the world currently is and did not seem to accept me in this case like megha markle and she stayed quiet about it until now she stayed quiet about it left got fucking ostracized in the media a million times stayed pretty quiet about it hasn't done a

Starting point is 02:14:25 full tell-all interview or anything agreed finally gives an interview about it and is pretty honest and also like they keep on saying like she brutalized the whole thing no i thought she was like pretty fair she did reveal some things no doubt about it and her husband backed them backed her up on it and you know like she's talking about things that are a part of current cultural issues and she's talking about an institution that's been existing since before fucking you know jesus christ lived well so um first of all i i i if and for the record if somebody in the firm or the royal families was concerned about the skin tone of the royal baby, that, of course, I would disagree with. But that's not why I'm saying it's politically motivated is because they have somebody who meets the race protocol of somebody that has a plight, somebody that is worth spotlighting because of her race.

Starting point is 02:15:35 I mean, Meghan Markle. I think that – Who do you mean they have that? The media. They is the media. Okay. I mean, and that should be – we should have – But does that make – just because the media may suck and that should be we should but does that make just just because the media may suck and they do in every direction they do right does that mean they

Starting point is 02:15:51 have it or does it mean that it's still kind of true because i think it's kind of true there's never been a black person in the royal family and she's's the first, and she's also somebody who left. And I got to tell you, I believe when Harry's talking about, like, I thought about my mom and how that turned out, and I did not want history repeating itself, I 1,000% believe him. All right, so you don't think it has to do with the fact that she didn't want to live in the UK? You don't think it has to do with the fact that she was married and then divorced. You don't think it has to do with the fact that she met him the night that Pierce Morgan took her on a date and dropped her off at this party where he, where she met Harry. You don't think it has to do with any of those things. And listen, I don't,

Starting point is 02:16:37 being a racist, in my opinion, and this is my humble opinion, deplorable and it it you can't even put somebody on the same page as as as let's say a person who is has multiple husbands or multiple wives or somebody who is you know i don't know just someone who likes to fuck i mean i i mean that that's the vibe i'm getting from them is that they didn't like who she was they thought that she was her personality was more of the issue it wasn't her skin color it was her personality and i said that so the the thing i know you kind of react to it so the night that she met yeah i want to explain this the night that she met what you're saying the night that she met harry um she was with lloyd no i'm just kidding but the night that she met harry she went

Starting point is 02:17:31 on a date with piers morgan what and no she didn't look it up and no she look it up and piers morgan dropped her off at a party and that evening she met um piers is the one who walked off the set the other day and quit his job over this right? he's been an emotional fucking wreck since Alex Jones lambasted him which is, we have to watch that that was Piers Morgan's face when Alex Jones

Starting point is 02:17:58 is screaming that is the greatest what did Alex say about it? Piers had the show on CNN for a while, and Alex Jones came on. Piers Morgan debates Alex Jones, is that it? Yes, it could be. All right, hold on. Let's play it.

Starting point is 02:18:13 It could be. You've disappointed us. So what was this when this was a couple years ago? It was a gun debate. Oh. Yeah. Wait, here we go. Okay, hold on.

Starting point is 02:18:24 British citizen Piers Morgan for attacking Second Amendment. Take a look. More than one hundred and four thousand people have signed it so far. And joining me now is one of the people behind the petition. Piers, thanks for having me. Why do you want to deport me? Well, we did it as a way to bring attention to the fact that we have all of these foreigners and the Russian government, the official Chinese government. Mao said political power goes out of the barrel of a gun.

Starting point is 02:18:50 He killed about 80 million people because he's the only guy that had the guns. So we did it to point out that this is globalism and the mega globalism and brag that they've taken a common force in Bloomberg, AP Reuters, you name it, brag that they're going to get our guns as well. They've taken everybody's guns, but the Swiss and the American people. And when they get our guns, they can have their world tyranny. While the government buys 1.6 billion bullets, armored vehicles, tanks, helicopters, predator drones, armed now in U.S. skies, being used to arrest people in North Dakota,

Starting point is 02:19:21 the Second Amendment isn't there for duck hunting. It's there to protect us from tyrannical government and street thugs. Take the women in India. Your piece earlier on CNN I was watching during Anderson Cooper's show didn't tell you that the women of India have signed giant petitions. Do you watch Anderson Cooper? This was 2013, Anderson. Hey, wait a minute.

Starting point is 02:19:44 I have FBI crime statistics that come out a year late. You gotta love Alex Jones. I mean, he just throws the shit in your face. Love is a strong word. Real violent crime because more guns means less crime. Britain took the guns 15, 16 years ago, tripling

Starting point is 02:19:59 of your overall violent crime. True, we have a higher gun violence level, but overall mugging, stabbings, deaths. Those men raped that woman in India to death with an iron rod four feet long. You can't ban the iron rods. The guns, the iron rods, Pierce, didn't do it. The tyrants did it. Hitler took the guns. Stalin took the guns. Mao took the guns. Fidel Castro took the guns. Hugo Chavez took the guns. And I'm here to tell you. I'm here to tell you! They won't commence again!

Starting point is 02:20:31 Lemmings. Are you a sheep, Piers? Do you know what a lemming is? Yeah. Look at how close he is. Piers definitely smells his breath. Piers is like, Goddammit, Santa Ana. Who the fuck invented, who the fuck brought this guy in here?

Starting point is 02:20:55 Pierce. Alex Jones, people. You finished? No, he's not background checks to get guns how about prozac you know the number one sponsor or that whole class of drugs let me ask you oh whoa gotta cut that off don't you the u.s number one cause of death is suicide now because they give people suicide mass murder pills calm down your answers give more money to the psychiatrist or psychologist to put more crazy people on drugs that make them kill people.

Starting point is 02:21:29 Oh my God. Let's try and have a debate here. Yeah. Let's try and have a debate here. I'm sick of the same old script here, bud. It's fine, bud. How many gun murders were there in America last year? Do you know?

Starting point is 02:21:39 There were about 11,458 and seventy four percent of those were gang related gangbangers shooting each other you get three and a half to four thousand how many people died that was literally the question 197 000 all right turn this guy hold on hold on how many gun murders were there in britain how many great white sharks how many how many gun murders were there in britain a very low amount i already went over those statistics. How many? Do you know? It was only a few hundred. No, no. How many gun murders?

Starting point is 02:22:09 I actually did pull up the statistics. Here, let me pull them out right here. I figured you'd do that. Gun murders in Britain last year. Oh, wait. You came out of the capital of Europe, London Telegraph. Here, let me give you more. It's quite a simple question. Well, that's the oldest...

Starting point is 02:22:18 You're a very loud man. No, no. That's the oldest Perry Mason tactic to ask me some little factoid. So there's not a little factoid. I already said earlier... We has a lot lower gun crime rate because you took all the guns. Let me try exactly my part. But you've got hordes of people burning down cities and beating old women's brains out every day. What a ridiculous thing.

Starting point is 02:22:36 They arrest people in England if they defend themselves. That's on record. See, that's the shit. One out of ten. One out of ten. All right. He's a one out of ten guy. You've had to flee here, bud. He did call that steam. But I want to say this right here. You think you're a tough guy? He. One out of ten. One out of ten. All right? He's a one out of ten guy. You've had to flee here, bud.

Starting point is 02:22:45 He did call that steam. But I want to say this right here. You think you're a tough guy? Yeah, he's one out of ten. Head me back with a boxing ring in here, and I'll wear red, white, and blue, and you can wear your Jolly Roger. Let's try again. How many gun murders were there?

Starting point is 02:22:58 Hey, you're wrong. How many gun murders were there in your festival in Britain last year? He hasn't answered the question. All right, so he has a lot. How many chimpanzees can dance on the head of a pin? I already went over this. Do you know the answer? No, I don't. You said hundreds. It's very low. You said hundreds. Yes.

Starting point is 02:23:11 It's actually 35. Against 11,000. Do you understand? See, that's actually a very... First of all, 35 to 11,000, it sounds like a really huge number, but it's actually the amount of guns that we have. I mean, we are basically the finest oiled standing militia that exists in the world.

Starting point is 02:23:33 I mean, we are talking, we have three guns per person in the United States. I mean, it's unparalleled, and there's a reason why. Is that real? Oh, it's insane. Well, what's our population? It's like 100? No, no. 100. Dude, it's like 340 million's like 100? No, no. 100.

Starting point is 02:23:46 Dude, it's like 340 million. All right, 340 million. Okay. You look it up. Here we go with the fucking. Here we go with the fucking. I feel like I'm on Blue's Clues. So let's see what's in the mailbox.

Starting point is 02:23:55 All right, keep going. But anyway, my whole point is that. So Piers Morgan was, he was, which we never got to, but he was like courting Meghan Markle. All right. So let me read the article so that we have this. This is from page six in the New York Post, which some people will immediately say is not reliable. But page six is, you know, what they, it was TMZ before TMZ. What's wrong with New York?

Starting point is 02:24:22 Nothing wrong with it. I'm just saying, like some people are going to say, wrong with New York? Nothing wrong with it. I'm just saying. Some people are going to say, I don't know your post. Here we go. Piers Morgan quit Good Morning Britain after being lambasted for his incessant criticism of Meghan Markle,

Starting point is 02:24:34 but once upon a time, the TV host was a fan of the Duchess of Sussex. Go inside their complicated relationship that started off friendly, but ended up tumultuous. I'm fucked up right now. I just got to say this. Anyway, a royal ghosting.

Starting point is 02:24:49 Morgan and Markle started out on good terms by following each other on Twitter. I love how people check this out. They follow each other on Twitter. In 2015 and often communicated virtually. But a year later, things went south for the pair when markel allegedly ghosted that's in quotes ghosted morgan a lot of people have been ghosted i've been fucking ghosted i've been ghosted i've never been ghosted i've been ghosted i ghost everyone i mean no you you're you're an auto ghost morgan after they alleged she goes to morgan after they allegedly went for drinks in London on the same night.

Starting point is 02:25:25 Oh, my God. What did I say? She allegedly met now husband Prince Carson Wentz. At this point, I was indeed laboring under the massive misapprehension. Wow. He really uses that word. That we were friends. I was wrong, Morgan wrote in a 2018 daily mail column she met prince harry at

Starting point is 02:25:47 the dinner that night went on a solo date with him that next night and i never heard from her again not a word i've been ghosted oh he's a bitter little listen listen all right before you start insulting him i am gonna insult him he all right so he basically um you just saw him with alex jones okay so the other thing that's very are you finished michael so i i actually i i some people call you my alex jones that's been that's that's been a comment well i get okay i mean compared to some of the liberal shit you put on here i guess i do seem like alex jones but the the thing that is even more interesting is that so you have now again this is why it's so political and and i know you don't sometimes it may take a little bit to bash it over your head but so now piers morgan is is is the like the like this nasty dirty ass person okay he's like this terrible

Starting point is 02:26:49 according to who according to everybody at this point you see now there's trending on twitter there's trending on on on tiktok the chelsea handler piers morgan interview okay and piers morgan interviewed chelsea handlerler, who is the definitional. She sucks. I mean, she is just terrible. Did you see what she did to 50 Cent? I'm not. Listen, I don't put any.

Starting point is 02:27:15 She sucks. I can't. Whatever. But she is. She gets. He invites her on. And she's like this total passive-aggressive. I'm like, come on.

Starting point is 02:27:26 You're on CNN. You're a huge fucking liberal. Why don't you just hit your usual talking points? Get the fuck off. No, forget her political beliefs. She sucks. I don't really follow her that well. I know she has a show.

Starting point is 02:27:39 I never watched it. My point is that now, Piers Morgan, it is very hot and popular to attack this guy, where in 2013, you astutely pointed out, it was 2013, Piers Morgan was the champion of reality and progress, and he'd bring these animals like Alex Jones on TV to prove how psychotic they are. Now we're in 2021, okay? Now he is the psycho. He's the one that has this vendetta.

Starting point is 02:28:11 Well, he's got skin in the game, dude. Let me finish. Oh, okay. On this situation. Okay, he is freaking out, okay? He's freaking out. Obviously, he's upset. I mean, there's no doubt about it. But you see how all of a sudden he has this one encounter where he's friendly or friends with Meghan Markle.

Starting point is 02:28:33 He was trying to fuck her. Or she was trying to fuck him. I mean, who says? No. Wait, wait, wait. How do you know that? How do you know that? How do you know that?

Starting point is 02:28:45 Meghan Markle. How do you know that Meghan Markle you know that? How do you know that? Meghan Markle. How do you know that Meghan Markle wasn't trying to fuck Piers Morgan? Because Meghan Markle was a successful, beautiful, full-blown, confident-ass woman. Same reason that she fucking met with Harry that night and said, Peace, Piers. Wait, wait. So you can't have both ways. and met with Harry that night and said, Peace, Piers. Wait, wait. All right. Wait, wait, wait.

Starting point is 02:29:06 So you can't have both ways. I can't have both ways in that way. There's no both ways. You can't have her saying, Oh, I found Prince Carson Wentz. She appears. And then in the same breath say, No, she's actually this motivated,

Starting point is 02:29:21 self-motivated, successful woman that doesn't give a shit about titles. Wait, how does that not come in the same book? Because you're suggesting that she's too good for Piers Morgan, yet she's perfect for Prince Harry. No, Piers Morgan is some fucking old fucking British guy. Who gives a shit? Maybe he's perfect for her.

Starting point is 02:29:35 Dude, he's got a beer gut. I don't like Piers Morgan. Harry fucking Moore. But now I have to like Piers Morgan. Now I have to like Piers Morgan. Why do you have to like Piers Morgan? This is the fucking problem. No, no, no. Why do you have to like Piers Morgan. Now I have to like Piers Morgan. Why do you have to like Piers Morgan? This is the fucking problem. No, no, no.

Starting point is 02:29:48 Why do you have to like Piers Morgan? Piers Morgan was then friends with Trump and suddenly became like the Trump guy. And that's why they don't fucking like him. He doesn't like Trump, dude. He's friends with him. Dude, Trump is friends with fucking everybody. He's friends with Oprah. But she doesn't come out and say, you know, I really see Donald's point on this.

Starting point is 02:30:08 Pierce does? Yes, he does! I must have missed that. You must have missed it. That's shocking to me. It shouldn't be a shock. Listen, I'm not going to sit here and defend fucking Pierce Morgan all day. But I'm just saying that they corner us into these situations where now I have to pick sides between Meghan Markle, who I know nothing about, really, or Piers Morgan, who I've hated my entire life.

Starting point is 02:30:31 And somehow I am now siding with Piers Morgan. That's the point. Why are you siding with Piers Morgan now? Let me, just for your viewers, let me get us to the next episode. For the viewers. Let me get us to the next episode. I'm a hammer. Here's what's the next episode. I'm a hammer. Here's what's going to happen.

Starting point is 02:30:45 I'm a hammer. Yeah. Well, here's what's going to happen. Within the next three to six months, Piers Morgan is going to be accused of sexual assault. Oh, my God. I guarantee it. Come on. Save this right now.

Starting point is 02:31:00 He will be accused of sexual assault. It would be too fucking obvious. Come on. Just watch. And I'm with you would be too fucking obvious. Come on. Just watch. I'm with you. Just watch. They suddenly come at people like I look at the Cuomo situation. You know, he was out there saying.

Starting point is 02:31:15 Which Cuomo? The one that's actually important, not the one that's on there. The Grim Reaper? Not. Or Don Lemon. I am not gonna i am not gonna defend andrew cuomo right now don't take me wrong here people but i just i just find it very interesting the meatball was out there and he was saying we're gonna save lives all right first we of all. We got all... Michael, Michael. Why are you... You're not on the side of saving lives.

Starting point is 02:31:48 This is not hard. Do you know my father? He was the governor of the state. We got... Whoa, whoa, whoa. Shut the fuck up, Michael. We got good people. We got people moving boxes behind me.

Starting point is 02:32:12 I remember that. Put the rain jacket on his side. good people we got people moving boxes behind me give me some hand sanitizer we're following the data alexander horowitz agrees with me i'm oh man you realize you're not you realize you're not doing a pure cuomo you're're doing a mix of Cuomo and who I've seen live. I'm fucked up. Who I've seen live. He's fucking phenomenal. I saw him in Allen, or no, was it Allen? No, it was Lehigh at the Riverwinds Casino. Oh, my God.

Starting point is 02:32:37 The Italian guy who's fucking funny. Sebastian Mann. Sebastian Mann. You're a shit. He's not going to do it. Yeah. He's going to. it. He's gonna... Cuomo

Starting point is 02:32:47 doesn't know shit. He's a... Oh, Michael, shut the fuck up. Cuomo just wants to coosh. He wants to coosh. No, but seriously, in all seriousness, off Sebastian Maniscalco for a second.

Starting point is 02:33:05 Joro and me. He's funny. You have to call yourself out when you're wrong. You do. You do. Right? Horo and me, he came in here back in end of October. It was a good show.

Starting point is 02:33:14 I watched it. It was a fucking phenomenal show. He's always been smarter than most of us. Dude, Horo is a god. Yeah, he's a smart guy. There was a period in that podcast podcast we got about 45 minutes in where horo hit this heat and said i'm not even gonna get go watch the fucking podcast people go listen to it don't listen to me listen to fucking that guy where he hit this fucking flame

Starting point is 02:33:37 and every single thing he said immediately aged well so phenomenal and he stayed here we did two podcasts because he was here for so long. We were on fire. We both had a conversation in that episode that aged so badly. So badly. I missed and missed it. Where we defended Andrew Cuomo. Because I played a little bit of Devil's Advocate.

Starting point is 02:33:57 And then I was like, you know what? I'd expect it out of Horo, not you, though. No, no, no. But, dude, Horo and me politically are very similar. That's a shame. Fuck you, dude. You're off on your boat. But, dude, Juro and me, politically, are very similar. We're like kind of... That's a shame. We're kind of... Fuck you, dude. We're kind of...

Starting point is 02:34:06 You know, you're off on your boat. But we're kind of in the same boat. And, like, I played a little bit of Devil's Advocate and then I agreed with him because I was like, yeah, you know,

Starting point is 02:34:14 he followed the data. We followed the data. Hey, hey, hey! You don't do your job. We shut you down. It's not hard. He was creating his own data. Like, we were fighting and that's the point. Eventually, it got shut you down. It's not hard. He was creating his own data. And that's the point.

Starting point is 02:34:28 Eventually it got so far. But here's the thing. Let me put on my little tinfoil hat for a minute. God forbid I put on my Alex Jones tinfoil hat. Anyway, I find it very, very funny. Very funny, sad, confusing confusing whatever the word is that back in maybe it was february end of january who the fuck knows cuomo comes out and very quietly along with our dear friend gavin newsom in california they both quietly put out statements about how you know we have to open

Starting point is 02:35:02 up we gotta open up we're shutting down economy suddenly you know trump's on office they're opening up it's like okay well at least they're opening up like fuck you for playing the role whatever but the thing is they immediately got called out in the media and then you notice what happened gavin newsom shut the fuck up yeah he did he didn't say it and he's fucking getting recalled and all that shit but well he shut the fuck up he didn't say another word and then what did cuomo do and i'll give cuomo credit for this i'll give him credit for this he followed through and he said again he said again we need to open up and then suddenly the nursing homes came up suddenly the sexual assaults came up suddenly cuomo was a bad guy and his brother was not the spokesman that we once knew him to be even when he walked out of the basement saying i haven't walked out of my basement with covid this entire

Starting point is 02:35:57 time even though i was shopping on fucking long island the whole fucking time suddenly none of this mattered i find it very funny because I've had a little theory, my tinfoil hat theory this entire time and I'm on my little speech. Matty, I know you're listening

Starting point is 02:36:12 right down there. My dog's listening and talking to Spear. He's stroking her like Vito Corleone. I don't know. I don't know. But either way,

Starting point is 02:36:19 my theory was, God damn, I'm really fucked up. This happened fast. Anyway, my theory is that none of these guys are calling the shots. Republicans, Democrats. Why does it take you fucking 25 to 30 minutes to circle back on the point I make?

Starting point is 02:36:38 It's like you're contrarian. They're not calling the shots. Fucking Cuomo is taking orders from some guy in a fucking black hat who walks in and says, you know, Andrew, we know where your kids go to school. We work for a three-letter agency. I'm just saying. I'm just saying. I'm not defending Cuomo's whole response here. I'm not. I don't defending Cuomo's whole response here. I'm not.

Starting point is 02:37:05 I don't think Cuomo probably did anything. It's not Cuomo's response. Dude, you're in the middle of a pandemic. Listen, shit hits the fan. I'll be the first one to say, nobody really knew what they were dealing with. I mean, nobody did. I mean, listen, the first knee-jerk reaction of Donald Trump was to ban travel from Asia. And he got ripped for it.

Starting point is 02:37:27 Well, no, no, no. Remember Nancy Pelosi marching the streets of San Francisco? Oh, Nancy Pelosi. But anyway, the point is that nobody really knew how to deal with it, but it's like you admit when you're wrong. You don't lie about how many people died in nursing homes. All right, all right, hold on. I'm going to push back on this real quick.

Starting point is 02:37:46 Andrew Cuomo may be a political hack. Okay. There's a lot of people in powerful positions who are political hacks. It's not a... He's a liar. It's not a political hack. He's a liar.

Starting point is 02:37:56 No, no. Any committed fraud... I'm going to push back on this. And obviously he's a sexual harasser. I'm going to push back on that. I don't fucking know. Put the video on. What video? The video where he makes that young reporter eat a sausage sandwich in front of him you know which

Starting point is 02:38:12 video i'm talking about bro do you want me to start playing the trump videos what do you mean do you want me to go there you want me to go you're comparing you're comparing you're comparing a man who lied about deaths in nursing homes to Donald Trump. So that's what I'm pushing back on. What are you hanging your hat on? All right, let me ask you a question. I'm going to ask you a question. All right?

Starting point is 02:38:34 Yeah. Let's say, let's play devil's advocate here. Hypothetical. It's been a whole night, but okay. Let's say Andrew Cuomo's not a nice guy. In this hypothetical scenario, he's a political hack. He's kind of a piece of shit. Doesn't give a fuck about people.

Starting point is 02:38:50 Does his thing. You're talking about reality? Yes. Maybe. He's all about the next vote. Yeah. Do you really think, do you really think Andrew Cuomo knowingly, maliciously, openly sent people to their death in those nursing homes. I have strong doubts about that.

Starting point is 02:39:14 I think he is too fucking— No. Dude, I think he's too much— That's not why he's getting— What do you mean, of course he did? That's what I'm saying. I don't think he did. That's not the problem. Why? What do you mean, of course he did? That's what I'm saying. I don't think he did. That's not the problem.

Starting point is 02:39:26 Why? This shit was known about months ago. A fucking year ago. What are you talking about? And no one talked about it until he had the audacity to say, let's open up. No, no. No one on earth is saying, or at least no. First of all, he's getting.

Starting point is 02:39:44 It's technically an impeachment. The impeachment efforts in New York began with the Democratic Party of New York. So let's not mince words here. I mean, he is going to be, by a bipartisan majority, impeached, okay? Is that a done deal? Oh, I mean, when the Democrats are doing, are starting it, yes. I'd say it's pretty that a done deal oh i mean when the democrats are doing are starting it yes i'd say it's pretty much a done deal no one on earth listen i could sit here captain hindsight who didn't have the rain jacket on with the boxes moving behind them in the fucking warehouse

Starting point is 02:40:17 who knows nothing about there's a lot of people michael yeah i know there's a lot of people working hard. I know. Do you know how many people? They're moving boxes. I don't know what's back there. Do you know how many prisoners have been making the hand sanitizer? They let them all out. No, but seriously, dude, did Cuomo make a couple bad decisions? Of course he did.

Starting point is 02:40:47 Everybody in the United States made bad decisions from top to bottom. But you can't look at them as bad decisions because we were dealing with a foreign virus that we didn't really know how to control. But what he did, which was definitionally wrong, was he lied about the number of deaths that occurred as a result of the coronavirus. Did he lie or was he put in a position where he didn't fucking know and they fucking did it? Somebody fucking did it. I fundamentally disagree with you. And I'm pretty sure that he was, at one point, a future presidential... They were talking about him replacing Uncle Joe. I know.

Starting point is 02:41:27 They were. Whoops. I remember sitting on... Whoops. Now it looks bad, but I remember sitting on the porch with a few of my cousins who were just sick of everything going on. It was back in the summer. Honestly, they should put Cuomo in there. I'd vote for him. And I'm thinking to myself, I don't know.

Starting point is 02:41:44 He kind of locked down. That was my argument. I'm like to myself, I don't know. He kind of locked down. That was my argument. I'm like, he kind of locked down people. He's still kind of fucking doing it. But at the time, it didn't seem crazy. And now, now it seems like, oh. I don't even care. Well, no, this is so fucked up.

Starting point is 02:42:00 I shouldn't say that. I care about the sexual harassment allegations. No, no, I understand that i care about the sexual harassment allegations no no i understand i care about but i know i know how those things snowball and there's misinformation um just like kamala harris i believe every woman well kamala harris when when joe bynes accusers came out she goes i believe every woman i'm gonna defer to bill burr on this who made a terrific point non-political point i might add bill burr that just said he just said all of them every single one yeah well oh like i i'm not yeah i'm not bill and it's not i don't

Starting point is 02:42:42 have the luxury and it's not and and that't have the luxury of being Bill Burr. And that's not the point of questioning women or anything at all. Because, like... No, it's definitely questioning women. No, we saw the positive side of the Me Too movement. All right, you're freaking out, Matty. Chill. Look, she's getting pissed off, obviously. We saw the positive side of the Me Too movement.

Starting point is 02:43:00 Yeah, I'm with you. And actually unleashing some shit that was a long time coming. Of course. But all of them just were working out, like on the surface, they come out. Every single one is right. I'm not saying Tiger Woods with a cocktail waitress in a parking lot of a fucking Wendy's didn't happen. Probably did. Probably did. Right?

Starting point is 02:43:22 But I'm just saying. Well, I thought the same i thought the same thing right after um well i saw that it's like the you know the tally and i don't say that i don't mean to say it with you know um lack of you know consideration or or lack of empathy but the the the tally as i counted it was there were six women that accused Cuomo of sexual assault. It started at one. It became the two. I mean, the woman with the sausage, I mean, that to me is not.

Starting point is 02:43:52 Who is the woman with the sausage? Well, the woman, she was a well-known local reporter who had caught Cuomo at some kind of benefit, and they happened to be serving sausage sandwiches and she asked him a question while he was sitting and he replied as The sausage represents my dick.

Starting point is 02:44:15 You will enjoy it. But then he made her sit down I consider forcefully and eat the sandwich in front of him. But it's all balanced out for him, thank God. He may survive impeachment only because... What do you mean it's balanced out for him?

Starting point is 02:44:32 It's balanced out from his brother who does... When his wife has a yoga class in the backyard, he will walk around naked. Not to show off his dick. He does it to show how bare he is. How exposed he is to the female emotion that's coming out.

Starting point is 02:44:56 I haven't heard that. When did that happen? Again, look it up online. There's literally a picture of him on the phone naked outside. One of his wife's What's the brother's name? Chris Cuomo Chris Cuomo naked yoga

Starting point is 02:45:09 Do I want to see this? You don't see a lot What do you mean you don't see a lot? Wait Apparently caught naked And wife Christine This guy I mean they're a whole family of perverts he just walks around outside naked right in the window of her yoga class

Starting point is 02:45:34 i mean like if you think you've seen enough of chris cuomo i'm reading the article after his much publicized contraction of coronavirus and nightly TV reminders of, quote, you know who my brother is, unquote. Think again. The CNN anchor was apparently caught in the nude in the garden of his Hamptons mansion. He's almost 50 years old. He looks good for 50. He does look good for 50.

Starting point is 02:46:01 Social media yoga session filmed by his wife christina grieve and cuomo the younger brother of new york governor andrew cuomo is seemingly seen in a screen grab screen grab strutting his stuff in the buff that rhymes it's like dr seuss funny how we say that now outside his home outside his home where he has been broadcasting from his basement while under quarantine. Remember how he was out there, like, fucking biking with people without a mask back in April? And they're like, aren't you in quarantine? Matty, chill. Matty, hey, hey, get over here.

Starting point is 02:46:37 Sorry. Get over here. Under quarantine. The 49-year-old super fit newsman. He did lift like a 100-pound dumbbell in a little closet. He's not in little he's not a bad shape i never said he was a bad shape he works even if that was fake it makes him listen people that have to restrain women in in ugly positions have to be physically fit to do it what do you mean i mean this guy's obviously probably has some kind of sex den where he traps his women like a fucking...

Starting point is 02:47:06 Oh, you went full criminal. He's full criminal on you. Oh, this guy's a criminal, as it gets. I mean, his brother is... What do you have proof of that? His brother just talked about hand sanitizer and said... He walks around in front of his wife's yoga studio ass naked. I mean...

Starting point is 02:47:21 Allegedly. Dude, does... Allegedly. What does he have to walk... What do you have to see next? You remember the departed? You remember the departed when they walk up to the door and they go, you know, Miles Kennefic had this whole thing and his mother looks him dead in the eyes looking at fucking Matt Damon in the eyes.

Starting point is 02:47:39 Matt Damon has great eyes. Very hard to look him straight in the eyes and lie. They're tough eyes. She looks right at him and she goes, allegedly. See, it's all allegedly. This could be a doctored photograph.

Starting point is 02:47:51 What do you need? He might suck, but he might not have fucking taken all his clothes off in front of his wife's yoga partners. You've made it clear to us. Who might be guys? You never know.

Starting point is 02:48:01 They didn't say. You need him in a fucking rain slicker with a fucking axe. What is a rain slicker? With an axe walking around his apartment like Christian Bale to convince yourself that this guy is not a fucking pervert. What movie is that? It's American Psycho. It's a great movie.

Starting point is 02:48:20 Naked? No, it's in a rain slicker. What's a rain slicker? Like a rain jacket with the hood up. Like what you're wearing right now. No, I said in a rain slicker. What's a rain slicker? Like a rain jacket. You know, with the hood up. Like what you're wearing right now. No, I'm wearing a goddamn... You look like you just committed six murders for Scarfo. Really?

Starting point is 02:48:34 I mean, the blood could blend into the fucking red. Yeah, I... But anyway. These guys... This is a family of disturbed people. I mean, Chris, I like to... I mean, they is a family of disturbed people. I mean, Chris, I like to, I mean, they're a family of disturbed people. Listen, you have your people. We talk, listen, at the end of the day, we talk about this.

Starting point is 02:48:53 I say there's people on the side of the spectrum. We'll never. Shut the fuck up. Give me Dr. Seuss. I got to get to it. All right. Just get right to it. Dr. Seuss, give the context and then give your opinion.

Starting point is 02:49:03 Let's go from there. Obviously, Dr. Seuss. Excuse me. me maddie get over here come on some of his books have been canceled books that we read probably not probably books we haven't read what books have been canceled i couldn't tell you because i didn't read them all right keep going i'm gonna go but um dr seuss was obviously a totally different generation of person. He was an artist and he was a cartoonist. And he did, he actually, he illustrated 1950s, you know, the animation of an African-American, you know, with just pure blackface, you know, the exaggerated lips. The whole, I mean, the whole thing. I mean, he did it.

Starting point is 02:50:00 And he was paid for it, and he profited off of it. And what years was he writing these books? No, I'm talking about the cartoons. We're not even on the books yet. The cartoons I imagine, I think they were in the 1950s, I believe. They might have been a little bit earlier, but I think they were in the 90s. I'm just reading from globalnews.ca. We'll have this link in the show notes.

Starting point is 02:50:20 The affected titles are, quote, On Beyond Zebra, Scrambled Egg Super, that's number two. Number three, The, On Beyond Zebra. Yeah. Scrambled Egg Super. That's number two. Number three, The Cat's Quizzer. Yep. Number four, Migueliot's Pool. Migueliot's Pool, yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:50:34 That's a very racial book. And to think, number five. That's my favorite. And to think I saw it on Mulberry Street. Mulberry Street. Wait, it said, I thought there were six. That's five. So Mulberry Street actually is, it's street in Compton,

Starting point is 02:50:51 and it's Dr. Seuss writes this book about the things he saw on Mulberry Street. Like, whoa, Mulberry Street is in New York. No, this is the Compton. Me and Quinn, we eat on Mulberry Street. This is the Compton Mulberry Street is in New York. No, this is the Compton. Me, Meat, and Quinn, we eat on Mulberry Street. This is the Compton Mulberry. There's no Compton Mulberry Street. I'm bullshitting you guys. I don't know these fucking books. I didn't read these books.

Starting point is 02:51:15 I read Red Fish, Blue Fish. Red Fish, Blue Fish, One Fish, Two Fish. I remember that shit. Go ahead. Wait, wait, wait. fish one fish two fish yeah i remember that shit go ahead so so wait wait including days of breathless coverage on fox news's right-wing opinion shows it's a factual comment it's not a factual comment how's that not a fact what do you mean how is it wait wait wait wait so you're suggesting to me that every other news every other news outlet that's covered this topic has been factual opposed to fox news who's

Starting point is 02:51:46 opinionated oh no i won't argue with that but like there are right-wing opinion shows there are right-wing opinion shows laura ingram sean hannity back-to-back don lemon chris cuomo that's a different channel i'm not arguing that the context ignores the other side i'm not arguing that i'm saying the two siblings that are married ignores the other side. I'm not arguing that. I'm saying. The two siblings that are married and fuck each other in the morning. I mean, do I have to continue? Or does CNN have a trusted brand? Because there's CNN.

Starting point is 02:52:17 CNN is not a trusted brand. And in the same sentence, Fox News is not a trusted brand. And in the same sentence fox news is not a trusted brand and in the same sentence msnbc and oaa and then double whatever the fuck are not trusted brands they're all not trusted that's why you see on you know what these fucking channels have done religiously and brilliantly, sadly, I might add, is they have figured out how to cut up their 30 to 120 second content on social media to rile up the people and get the fucking bases and keep the millennials who don't fucking have a TV subscription or rescription or prescription or whatever the fuck you call it, to keep them somewhat involved with the Don Lemons and the Tucker Carlsons of the world so they can get their opinions out there and continue to divide people and continue to believe that we have this bullshit two-party system. All right. We had a good podcast.

Starting point is 02:53:22 Michael Spear will be back. He's on the phone already. Everybody else, give it a thought. Get back to me. Peace.

Julian Dorey Podcast - #39 - Mike Spear

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