Julian Dorey Podcast - #410 - “Brainwash!” - The Rockefeller’s School Psyop WORSE Than You Think | Spencer Taylor

Episode Date: April 17, 2026

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Might get into some of the 1800s, though, so I don't know. You might want to get that out pretty soon. I like history here. It's like, dude, you're the guy taking on Rockefeller. Yeah. You're a little worried about your life? No, not too much. I think the Rockefeller is kind of, I don't know.

You don't see him around as much anymore. You see him in emails. Yeah. You do see them in emails now. Were they in there? I've kind of. Yeah. You really?

Oh, yeah. Yeah, not the actual people. I haven't seen that yet. But like all the mentions of them were in the Epstein file. I saw the like the Rothschilds are kind of like the orchestrator of like they kind of synced up a lot of the people, yeah? That's what it looks like. You're the ESPN. What was it?

Oh, the last guy I had in was he was an ESPN basketball writer who fell into the Epstein story and went fucking bonkers five years ago. Okay. Wrote the greatest thing ever, this guy, Henry Abbott. And no one read it at the time. And now like, I've been shouting it out. So people are like, holy shit. This is a treasure trove. Mm-hmm.

That was cool. Yeah, the Rockefellers, I mean, they're definitely, they get a lot of the credit for the, you know, industrial model of education, but they built it upon. I mean, we can get into all of the origins of it. But, I mean, they built upon the whole Prussian model of education. And they're still very involved. I mean, the Rockefeller, you know, their foundation is still heavily invested into local school board meetings, trying to win local school board elections, very, very involved.

That's wild. We're going to definitely, I love the history of all this stuff too, because by the way, your documentary, fucking awesome, man. There's one of those because this was a last minute podcast. I'm like, oh, we got Spencer coming in today. Let me take a look at this real quick. I'm sitting there like this, like Googly-eyed watching the whole thing. He did an amazing job.

So we'll get into that. But it's funny when I have guys like you in here, I was telling you off camera, it's like a little bit full circle because I'm watching. you on Impulsive in like 2018, 2019, and then like back engineering how to do all the equipment on a podcast going off about 10 to 15 shows, Impulsive's one of them. And now you're like, what's up, fam? We want to go on your show? Like, that's very, very cool.

Of course. Yeah, I've been watching you grow ever since too, man. It's cool to see behind the scenes. Yeah, it's not much, right? Yeah, you and Joey, you're cooking in here. I love it. That's right. I cook right there.

I sleep right there. Literally cooking, yeah. And that's it. That's all it is. That's what it's about, though. Yeah, you don't need much, man. You don't want to lose that. That's so cool. I love that about the stage of journalism that we're in and just the stage of

entertainment and media that we're in. It's just getting to the point where it's so decentralized. And decentralization is key. I mean, we'll get into that with education. And, you know, we went down this centralized path where everything in society was moving more and more towards centralization. And, you know, we've seen through history. It's any time we really drift into centralization of power, media,

authority schooling, it's not a good path. Doesn't end well. I think you're right. I think the data supports that for sure. And that was what I really took from the doc as well. Like you seem to be drawn on a lot of other themes. Like obviously it's focused on the education system and how it got bastardized, but like a lot of themes outside of it that are just like, what the fuck?

What are we doing here? But you left L.A. in 2019? 2019, yeah. Right before, right as COVID hit. Right. It's like right as the fences went up on the beach in Santa Monica, I was like, I'm out. I'm gone. I bought an airstream and just traveled the country.

You bought an airstream. Yeah. Yeah, it was-balling like that. Well, it was crazy. I mean, I had saved up from impulsive enough to, like, you know, get the airstream and just start going. And I was kind of getting a little burnt out from the L.A., you know, like influencer media space. And I wanted to do some different. So, yeah, left, hit the road for a couple of years during COVID and then went full-time humanitarian in 2022.

I know. When you went on the road, where'd you go? All over the place, a bunch of national parks. Like, I went up to the Redwoods for a while. Just went up to like humble. Oh, man. Have you been? No.

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for a chance to make content from the show and make money, you can join via the Discord link in my description below. The Redwoods will change your life. I mean, it changed my life, man. Those trees, it's their biggest trees in the world. No masks out there, right? Masks? You didn't have to wear that. Yeah. I ditched those. It was crazy. I went to Zion National Park, and they had shut down. It was like around the time, when they were telling people don't go outside, which is just crazy because it's like the best thing you could possibly do. Like we found going inside and being in the AC was like the worst way to spread the virus.

And so I was in Zion National Park and there's supposed to be like 30,000 people and there was no one. It was a ghost. Like no one. I was driving through the National Park and there wasn't a single car. It was the trippiest thing I've ever experienced. That's kind of nice, though, having a place like that to. yourself. It's like you're just a speck out there in the world where things are simple. You don't have fucking 40 news stations showing death counts on the side of the screen all day and just get in touch

with the outdoors. Like, sounds simple, but it's the best medicine. Absolutely. It made me realize how much of it was a sci-op in the sense of, you know, just fear. It was all fear-based. And as information started to come out and show, you know, kids aren't as affected. And it really started to show who was really the ones that were at risk. And, but then they just locked everyone down. You know, it's like, that's another example of like a standardized approach, right? That was like the apex of a standardized system. Let's just throw a standardized solution at this problem.

And we see especially with education, oh my gosh, man, it's disastrous what, what happened because of COVID with schooling. I mean, kids are still not recover pre-pandemic academics. Like, they're still, I mean, two years behind. Yeah. And then you have the CDC reported one out of every five kids thought about killing themselves in 2023. One out of five. One out of five.

Which is just. And that's like any kids like what, like 10 to 18 or maybe in that area? Yeah, it was like middle school, high school range, I believe, the study. There's like 40, over 40% of kids right now are experiencing extreme feelings of. sadness or hopelessness. So it's just, I mean, we're living through right now a cataclysmic moment with mental health. Absolutely cataclysmic. What made you, obviously you have this experience like a lot of us did where we see the pandemic

is ass backwards. You get out in nature. You see it's really ass backwards once you're out there. But like you said, there's this whole theme of like, you know, centralization is causing all these problems. but then you end up honing in on the school system and particularly to do this documentary. What made you choose that? Well, I was getting a ton of backlash online because I was just, you know, I'd got COVID very early

and I was like, okay, that wasn't that bad. I was trying to be compassionate to, you know, other people. But then I started to realize, you know, to what end? And I lost 80,000 followers because I was speaking out about the vaccine mandates. I was speaking out against when they when that, when they, when they, when they, when they, when started saying it's safe and effective. So I grew up in Michigan and we grew up near Upjohn, which was bought by Pfizer. And they had, that was back in like 2009 when they had that huge $2 billion, you know, it was like the largest criminal settlement from a pharmaceutical company

up to that point. I think it was 2009. And so they were lying about some of their medications and some of their products. And so that was like, we had that in the back of our mind because we grew up, Michigan is like a lot of pharmaceutical companies there. You have like Stryker Medical. You had Pfizer. Yeah, Michigan and right here in Jersey. They're all like a half hour away. Oh, yeah.

All of them. Yeah, deep sky. Justice Department announces largest healthcare fraud settlement in history. FISA to pay $2.3 billion for fraudulent marketing. This is from September 2009, spot on. Wow. So I had that in the back of my mind. And so when they came out and they're like, hey, we, Pfizer, we created a,

vaccinated. It's 100% safe and effective. Instantly in my mind, I was like, that's bullshit. I just called it. And so I was putting that out online. I was like, this is complete bullshit. There's no chance. I mean, just use common sense. I mean, look at their data and their studies.

It was a joke. But you look at, I mean, just use common sense. You cannot do a long-term study on a product that just came out, right? So I was like, I don't know. I think this is going to, this is going to backfire. I think people that are going to get this are probably going to get regretted.

And then they started like pushing, you know, people to, you know, get the vaccine or else you're going to lose your job and all these things that were just unconstitutional. So I saw all that. But to answer your question, that was going on. I was getting just an insane amount of negative backlash online. And so I was like, you know what? Let me just like focus on editing my film. And I'd been working on it for, it took me a decade to make this film.

The one you just put out. Yeah. All right. So this was on your mind for a long time. It was. And so I finally just locked in. I was like, you know what? Let me just lock in on this edit.

Let me stop focusing on social media and just get this done. How did you end up in Hollywood in the first place or out in L.A., I should say? Because you were there for a little while, right? Yeah. Yeah. I moved out there like pretty much right after college. I was working with a guy named Bob Proctor in Toronto. Okay.

He was in The Secret, the documentary of the secret, the old guy with white hair, all law of attraction. I don't know if that's clicking, but I know the secret. Yeah, yeah, he was, he was an OG. And so I was working with him in Toronto and I, it was a great job. I could work remote. So I just moved to L.A. And I was like learning about mindset, how to use your mind, you know, manifestation, all those things. And then I was out in L.A. and met Jake Paul. Mutual friend connected to a, uh, meet a Jake. And this is before he started his YouTube channel or anything. I think, how old was he? Young. Maybe 17. Oh, wow. 18 maybe somewhere in there. And so we linked up. We did a video shoot in Arizona and then came back to L.A. and he just needed help on video. So I started helping him and helping him like with the original Team 10 people.

Yeah, yeah. I remember that. Who else was it? New Hollywood. Justin Roberts. Was he in that? I think Justin was. Yeah.

Who the hell else? The Dobre twins, my buddy Kate. Alyssa Violet. There's another girl I'm thinking of that I can't put her name right now that's gonna kill me. There was a lot. A lot of people coming in and out.

Yeah, it was all new Hollywood. It was cool. It was like, you know, old Hollywood hated it. They were pissed. So any chance they could like kind of try to tamp us down, they did. But it was cool.

Didn't work. No. Didn't work. Digital world was going to happen. Like it or not. It's just, you know, I've never been out there and people love talking about Hollywood

with everything. It comes up all the time. but like I feel like they put a veil over the whole thing and make it all one thing and I know it can't be like that. That said, there's a within there somewhere, there's a weird dark undercurrent of I think it's probably looking at this from the outside, a combination of people who are just craving fame at all costs and then the gatekeepers who can kind of control that even in the digital world sometimes. That like, you know, it's why so many people online now from the outside look at. and go, damn, shit seems dark. Did you have any of that type of experience there at all?

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I would see some stuff. But we were in New Hollywood. We weren't dealing with the gatekeepers. We were like bypassing all of that. So we kind of had the benefit of being near all the celebrities and near that culture. But I did hear of like some really weird things. Like there was definitely some influencers. I'm not going to name names, but they would like get pulled into like second.

parties and you know that kind of stuff so and i would hear i'd hear some messed up stuff with you know like nicolodean you know videographers would also work on like in the porn industry and like weird crossovers like that so yeah but i stayed clear of all that i was like i'm just going to focus on youtube videos and working with influencers so good move good move yeah those nicolodean documentaries were crazy i didn't yeah i didn't get invited to bohemian grove so that's good yeah that's good yeah that's good So you're checked off. You'd have like, you'd have like a fucking brand on here or something. Exactly.

We're not going to make a strip later check. So don't worry. It's okay. But yeah, I mean, it's got to be as a videographer coming up, you know, that's the golden era to come up with with people who were basically like trailblazing, including like the kind of stuff that we do here essentially. You know what I mean? Like, what an era.

Yeah, it's crazy. I mean, I got to like we had Mr. Beast on before he even was popping on YouTube. He had done a video where he said Logan. Paul like 100,000 times. And so we had him on the podcast. And he came on and it was just like to see him get to where he's at now from that. It was just like, what? Could you see that though?

Like when he's young and you're bringing him on because he did that video, could you kind of see like this dude is he don't give up? I saw his mindset. I did not. I couldn't fathom it being as big as it is now. No chance. Yeah. It's.

yeah it's kind of he's built a fucking empire big time he's a personal business big time he's like a fortune 50 company yeah never see anything like that yeah but you decide to get out in 2019 go off spend some time in the redwoods you're working on this documentary the whole time so you're out there and then you're like i'm gonna hone in on this and i'm gonna break down the system so where do you even begin with this because people would float around theories about what the real education system is online. And I remember like seven, eight years ago, I'm like, ah, there's no way. That's real. And then like, kind of like you, you get into the pandemic and you're like, maybe there's something to that. You know, maybe this worker bee thing is real. Like, obviously,

you had that moment even earlier than I did. But like, how do you even unravel that? Do you just go to the start and be like, well, John D. Rockefeller, anyway, let's go. Or is it more that we don't even know about? Well, for me, it started from my personal experience within public education. I always was kind of questioning things because from fifth grade going into sixth grade our school got rid of it rid of it completely and um which is common for school did you go to a public school no okay i went to a private school so you had recess the whole time until middle school until the end of middle school okay so you got it in middle school yeah yeah i just started running into a lot of issues within school with authority, you know, I just felt like it was just this experience where I was trying to be

molded and shaped and it was about conformity and obedience and just following orders kind of like, you know, I was really passionate about film, but school didn't seem to really care about my gifts. It was like, nope, focus on these tests. So that kind of planted the seat. I was always questioning it in the back of my mind. And then I went to college, gotten a bunch of debt. I ended up dropping out my senior year, still had the debt to pay off. But I got a really good. job and I just found success outside of the system, outside of the traditional curve. So it made me start to question things. And then, like I told you, I was working with Bob Proctor. And that was the first time that I actually heard the definition of education, like what it actually

meant. And that really, like a light bulb went off. So the word education comes from the Latin word aducco, which means to draw out from her to develop from within. And when I was looking back on the traditional public education system, I was like, it's kind of the exact option. It's like, let's force information in. But education in itself is, hey, we're born with gifts. We have these gifts when we come here. Education is a process of bringing those out and sharing them with the world. Like, that's what education actually means. So I started to realize, okay, there's a difference between schooling and education. And I'm just like a curious, I've always been a curious kid and a curious person. So I just started asking questions just like yourself. Like,

hey, let's look into this. Like, how did we get here? And that's when I started to learn about, you know, the Committee of 10 in 1892. And, yeah, the General Education Board founded by Rockefeller in 1902. Who was the Committee of 10? The Committee of 10 was the N.A. The N.A is now the largest labor union in the country. You saw in the film, I go undercover in the N.A.

But the N.A are really, they're the architects of the American education system. They created standards. They created the standardized curriculum. and they enforced that. I think it dates back, what, to 1857, if I'm not mistaken? Jesus Christ. Pre-Civil War? Yeah, they've been here for a hot minute.

Dude. And how they kind of rose up is in 18, so in 1852 is when the U.S. has its very first compulsory schooling law. In English, yeah. Meaning you have to send your kids to the public school. So before 1850, education was decentralized. It was widely homeschool. It was religious schools. And there was no government oversight. You know, the word education has even mentioned in the Constitution. So we didn't

have a department of education. We had no centralization of education whatsoever. Oh, I didn't know. I actually had no idea about that until you said that. It's not in there at all. Yeah, no. This is, I'm going to do another film and dive in this more of the deeper stuff. Yeah. The death of recess, I really focused on kind of the Industrial Revolution. but the origin story goes back for sure. You can give us a preview today too if you want. I'm down, yeah, yeah. I'm not gatekeeping anything.

Yeah. Yeah, so in 1852, well, I think if you understand the history, it's really empowering. Because you start to look around, you're like, oh, this all makes sense. This is like how it all happened. But it all started from a guy named Horace Mann. He's the father of education. He's known as the father of American education. And Horace Mann, he was the very first secretary.

of education in the US in Massachusetts. So just for some context, yeah, there he is. There's Horace. So just for context. It looks like an asshole. He's got a pretty wild story. He was very aggressive at going against the religious, kind of like the clerk up until this point, the clergy,

like the church had really kind of run education. The school was just an extension of the church. And he was very much against that because he had a pretty bad experience. I think when he was, I want to say he was like 11 years old, his brother died while swimming in a river on Sunday. And at the funeral, the priest pulled up and was like, oh, he's in hell. He went to hell because he was not supposed to be swimming on the Sabbath. So definitely had some religious trauma. Yeah, that'll piss you off.

So that messed with him big time. And that was kind of like the inspiration for him to really attack the church's dominance on school. So in 18, I believe it was 1843, he went to Prussia. So this is after he became the secretary of education in Massachusetts. He had orchestrated this common school movement, which was really like the first public schools. and normal schools. Normal schools were like teacher training schools. So this is where teachers were trained.

He believed that education, it should be like parents, they're not really knowledgeable on education. They don't really know. Like the state should be the father of the child. And this was heavily opposed by the founding fathers. Like heavily opposed, right? You had like Thomas Jefferson, you had, you know, I think it was like Benjamin Rush, John Adams.

like some of those OG founding fathers were like the the child should be it should be up to the parent this new idea starts to emerge in the 1830s with the common school movement where it's like hey actually let's train teachers let's make them state certified and then they're they're more equipped to teach right so it's all about like civic literacy and preparing kids for the industrial revolution like creating workers but still up to this point schooling is not man It's not compulsory. So it's in 18, what I say? When he went to Prussia, I believe it was 1843. And he goes to Prussia. He's with his wife on his honeymoon and he sees the Prussian system. It's like modern day, you know, Germany area. And it's a, the Prussian empire was like the U.S. empire. Yeah. Of the world. They helped us in. Well, I think they were on both sides of Revolutionary War actually. But yeah, like they were known as they would send military. mercenaries around the world. Oh, cool. I didn't know. Very, yeah, very forgotten little empire that existed for sure.

Yeah. And they came to be, I don't know if you want to get into the origins of the Prussian Empire. Please. The king of Prussia, so Napoleon came in and basically kicked their ass

in the Battle of Hena. I think it was like 1806 or something like that. And the Prussians got their asses beat. And the king, in response to this, is like, yo, we need a we need a centralized school system that's going to create obedient people that are going to

follow orders and we need a we need a unified military because we got our asses beat and everybody was just kind of like independent thought and just doing their own thing and so they created this just insanely you know strict regimented education system centralized you know it's where the bells come from like you ring the bell kids go from one class to the next standardized curricula them. Everybody's learning the same thing. Students went through. They didn't learn lessons. They learned drills. Like it was all about literally drilling information into these kids. It's like the fucking unsullied army. Yeah. Game of Thrones. Right, right. Just like follow orders and kill. Yeah. Just obey. Yes. And so Horace Mann goes there and sees, you know, wow, this centralized

education system has really created this powerful empire because the Prussian system after, because of their education system became very powerful. They became like the world empire because of that. And so when he was there and multiple other reformers from America traveled and they checked it out, they're like, we should do this. Like, this is how we should do it. And so Horace Mann comes back to the US and then that's when by 1852 we implement the compulsory schooling laws. That's the very first compulsory education law that exactly mirrored the Prussian model. So he lobbied to bring Prussian education to Massachusetts. So he was what I was going to ask. He was a lobbyist or something like that effectively. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. He was the secretary of education and you know what's so fascinating about that,

though. It's another example of like you have something very broken. In this case, he was looking at a system where while the churches are just controlling it and indoctrinating people according to their religious needs and as a constitutionalist, which is where he starts, separation of church and state should also mean separation of education. That's something a lot of people. could say, all right, that makes sense. But then he goes completely the opposite way and says, not only that, but the state's going to control it. And it's like you have the equal but opposite reaction. Like, I just want the fucking equilibrium right here. You know what I mean? Like choice, like parents control the situation and not have any indoctrination happen. Yeah. And thankfully,

that's kind of what's emerging right now, especially because of the pandemic. But just to give you a little snapshot from 1852 up until 1918, I believe Mississippi was the final state to get compulsory education. But from 1852 to 1970, we effectively went from probably about 95 to 99% of the country was decentralized education, primarily homeschooled. To 1970, you have about 12,000 kids in the entire country are homeschooled. Whoa. So we literally flipped upside down. It's kind of like, you know, people living on the farm to living in the city, right? The industrial revolution just changed society night and day. It removed kids from the household. It removed fathers from the household. It put mothers to work. I mean, it just completely separated the nuclear family that, you know, the Commonwealth and the early United States was built upon. Do you think that was the point? That was the intention. it seems that way. It seems that way.

How about your thoughts? I think it very well could be looking at it. Now, there's so many things I would have thought, like I said, like take for granted seven, eight years ago that now I'm looking at it and I just see the mountain of evidence on both sides and I'm like, wait a minute, there's a lot more over here. You know, if you ever watch like that old doc you with some actors in it, whatever the hell they call that series, men who build America. You ever see that?

No. It's about all these guys. Starts with Vanderbilt. Great series, by the way. It was back in 2015. It starts with Vanderbilt. Goes to like Carnegie, J.P. Morgan. Rockefeller.

I think Henry Ford is covered as well. And it's kind of like showing you all the amazing business achievements these guys had, which certainly they did. But what you're not seeing is kind of the trend. trampling undercurrent of people that they're trampling over to get to that point. And you wonder if there's like that, always think about this, if there's that crossing point where someone one day, you know, they started somewhere, you're John Rockefeller, you started as a Christian guy and you found some oil. And then suddenly you're like, oh, fuck, we got a lot of oil.

And one day you're looking around the mines or at the oil fields and you're like, you know what, I'm above all these people. And you don't say it like that, but your mind goes, And now you're that guy. And now it affects every decision you made. Mm-hmm. Do you think that's possible? I think that's exactly what happened. Yeah.

There's evidence of that, you know, big time. I mean, Rockefeller had, I believe, 80 to 90% of the U.S.'s oil refining capabilities. And there's examples where there was worker protests and then he would buy like local newspapers in. I don't remember where it was, but he bought like some local newspaper because I think he, his forces like killed like 20 some workers because they were protesting against the Rockefeller oil monopoly. Killed them. Yeah, they killed them. Those were the good old days.

You could just kill people. Yeah, you could just kill off the dissenting force. Wow. I don't remember where that, where that was. But yeah, he was, he had a, he had a, a lactic grip on things and clearly was about power. Clearly it was about, you know, building his industry and his grip. Yep, there it is. You're right again. The events described refer to the Ludlow Massacre of April 20th, 1914, when the Rockefeller owned Colorado Fuel and Iron Company Guards and the Colorado National Guard. Well, at least they were teammates together, you know? You want to kill together, I guess. Attack the tent colony of striking miners and their families. Wow. Approximately 21 people were killed, including miners, their wives, and children. then I think he bought the local newspaper, right, to like cover it up.

That's so sinister, man. So, yeah, I think in order to get to that level of power, you, you're definitely not thinking about the commonwealth, right? Like sharing, right? Some of those Christian family values of like treating your neighbor as you would treat yourself, right? So that's where I think religion became a threat for a lot of these powerful elites because the religion for its flaws like any system has, what it did have working very well was a strong

family unit. Yes. It was keeping, you know, the biblical order is, you know, kind of undeniable, right? And you see that under attack and our society, you know, now more than ever with confusion over so many different genders and, you know, the, you know, we're removing women from the house, you know, sending kids to daycare. women are going to work men are going to work and i'm not trying to vilify anything you know but when you look back at how it used to be yes you know it's it's it's very different it's night and day

different today than it was when our you know ancestors were first here yeah it's an incentive structure too and that's what's really tough about it what i mean by that is when people have to make a financial decision as to whether or not to have a fucking kid one the system is broken And you point out so many of these great themes that we'll talk about in your documentary that have happened that are just like, whoa, like where, how the fuck do we get here? But what you're doing now explaining this history is it's really just slowly, slowly, slowly, slowly, slowly, slowly, program, program, program, all of a sudden. And that, it feels like that's where we're at. And if I could be positive for a minute, it also feels like there's in a good way, an inordinate number of people who are actually now like, whoa. tuned into this going, wait a minute, you know, politics aside, everything aside, just like this is,

you come after kids, you come after, you know, this perfect thing that's brought into the world and you try to beat it down from day one, that's a red line for us. And now we can see it. They couldn't, you think they knew Horace Mann was going around Prussia and being like, well, this seems like it works. I'll bring that back. No. Yeah. You know, you didn't even, what were you getting your newspaper by a horse back then? Yeah. You know, they had no idea. it was going to become. And yeah, to your point, first, it's, you know, because of the COVID pandemic, we had 1.5 million families pull their kids out of the public school system. And those numbers have maintained. Wow. And we're projected to see another 5% decrease over the coming years. So

you're 100% spot on. Parents are waking up and they're realizing, maybe I don't want the government to raise my kids. Maybe I should take control of that. And we're starting to kind of, of see through the propaganda of, you know, homeschool kids are weird, you know, and all these different propaganda methods that were used to scare people away from homeschooling. Yes. Think about this. So in New York, actually, 1852, that first compulsory schooling law, in 1853, they start enforcing it anywhere, you had to enforce it, right? Because people weren't really sending their kids to schools. So New York, there's this story where what they did is they had attendance officers. So they'd have these guys, like probably like a Navy SEAL type dude,

go knock on people's doors. And there's one case where a guy knocked on, he went to 6,000 houses and he brought 128 families to court that were refusing to go to the school. And they would face a $50 fine if they didn't. Yeah, back then, which is like $2,100 today. So that was what was going on. They literally made homeschooling your own kid, right? Right. your own kid illegal in the United States. They made it illegal. A hundred and seventy-five years ago. Yeah.

And we're recovering from that right now. So that's the mass awakening, right? The shift that I'm trying to help people understand is if you can take control of your child, if you could take control of raising your children, that's the most powerful thing you can do for the system, right? We see everything going on with the Epstein and, you know, left and right. You see grooming from the left, too,

the in the education system. I mean, you see it in the film. It's it doesn't matter. It's two wings of the same bird. Like you said, it's this federal centralized power that's the threat here. You look at our taxation, you know,

in like 1776, I think the average person in the Commonwealth was paying like one or 1.5% taxes. Today, the average person's paying 25% to 30%. Don't tell Tommy G that. He's going to have another fucking freak out. 1.5%? Yeah.

Yeah, one to 1.5%. I mean, think about it. Homeless people for that. Yeah. Give us 3%. Malacca, let's go. Exactly. Oh, my God.

I mean, think about the Boston Tea Party was over like, you know, 3% tax on goods. And it was about taxation without representations. That shows the spirit that we have cooked into us is that we are strongly against centralized authority. But we've just been duped. We've been duped into just sending her, we all go to public schools. Let's tear apart the family. let's just go through this system. Let's just obey authority.

That's why we see all these crazy things happening in the world. So that's why when I look at what's going on in the world, I'm like, I'm not that surprise. I understand why. I understand how we got here. All over the world, though, too. Big time. Yeah.

Why all over the world? Because we've been talking about America, obviously, but other places as well, what makes you say that? In terms of chaos. Yeah, why the chaos happens and why it's explainable. I mean, you see the same thing with the Soviet Union. You know, they centralized authority. They centralized education. And so it doesn't matter if it's a communist country, if it's a capitalist country. The moment you centralize and you have state sanctioned or government sanctioned education, it's, I think the moment the Soviet Union took control of education, it was 70 years until they collapsed. The moment that Nazi Germany mandated Nazi, the, the, the Soviet Union, the, the, the Soviet Union took control of education, it was 70 years until they collapsed. The moment that Nazi, the, the, the, the, the, the, the Nazi takeover of the Prussian system. I think it was like 1939, the like Nazi education law.

What? We're talking five, five, six years until there they fall. So you see that kind of common trend. It's like as soon as you have a centralized authority come and try to capture a system, that's what I was saying. It doesn't lead to really great outcomes.

Decentralization is always better. So we're seeing a rise of that kind of all throughout the world. What happens when you hit him in other ways, though? Like you're talking. about the education system which should of course be top of mind but again your documentary also points out all these other things that are going on just some off the top of my head you have power the most powerful lobbies like big pharma who are normalizing fucking SSRIs if some kid has a boo-boo you know and telling families it's okay you have obviously within the schools like the teaching

systems which are corrupted and we'll talk about that more later too you have a society that you you correctly point out, had kids lose legitimately two years of social and interpersonal and true educational schooling in a way for whatever even that was worth because of the pandemic. And like, it's easy for us to think about how much that affects, you know, kindergartners to fifth graders. But I don't even buy that. I think if you were in any level of school from preschool through college and you lost two years, we have Andrea sitting here who basically lost a senior year.

of college and freshman or senior year high school freshman year in college? Junior senior year and then freshman year. Yeah, there you go. So like there's no way that on a maybe certain individuals are resilient you seem to be. And like it works out, but on a percentage basis, you know if you have your fingers on the strings like you're the puppet master and you're like, I just need to make sure that I kill off the spirit of 33% of society. You're going to be able to do it if you're costing two years across all those different age groups.

This is a generational fucking moment, you know, that they got a whole generation all at once. How does that reverberate now in the next generation, the generation after that, when those, when that generation is coming into power in the workforce and then has power in the workforce, do they even have it or were their balls cut off? Yeah, education. I mean, there's so many parasitic forces that have identified education for what it is. the schooling system is incredibly powerful opportunity to capture the minds of youth. Whoever controls education, whoever controls the curriculum, whoever, you know, has authority

over what's taught, how it's taught, what's not taught, they can control that generation. So that's why education is front and center. It is front and center. And it's the thing that we don't really talk about that often. it's kind of this like, yeah, let's brush that. Let's kick that down the road, you know. It's like a background topic. But it's front center.

Like you said, there's so many different parasitic forces that it's, I think it's kind of like an opportunistic, you know, energy that is feeding off the system with the pharmaceutical industry. That's a perfect example, you know. You industrialize the food supply. You industrialize the education system. So kids are going there. They're eating all this, you know, processed food.

So they're getting hooked on processed. processed foods. They're getting hit with glyphosate, atrazine, chemicals that are actually literally altering their hormones. They're sitting inside, you know, fluorescent lighting all day. You remove recess from 1950. We had about two hours a day of recess in the US in 1950 to today we have 25 minutes. That's crazy. So by the way, you keep picking on public schools, righteously so. But like I, I think this is absolutely infected most private schools as well. I don't really view it as any different at all. And I'm not even, I don't want to demonize the systems themselves, like the people that

try to do the right thing within it. It's a system that's been brainwashed on all of us, including the people who are actually sending their kids to get educated there. You know what I mean? There's bad actors in anything, and you've certainly pointed out some. But like, you know, I think about the classrooms and how they're set up. It's like, that's not, that's not for creativity. I mean, you talked about it.

You said you were growing up. You knew very early you were a creative guy and you felt, if I'm putting words in your mouth, I apologize, but you felt like kind of cramped in by it, right? Yeah. It seems like that would be pretty much any creative kid going to school these days. Yeah. And thankfully now, on a positive note, we have all this neuroscience, brain science that really shows how beneficial outdoor time is.

It shows how much we can even drink in in information. Like we're seeing that it's really only productive to have a two-hour window of academics per day. Two hours. About two hours is the most effective. And then we're seeing that recess is more than just a break. We're seeing multiple different bits of research coming out. There's the link project in Texas Christian University. And then you have Colorado Boulder did a study.

So they found that schools that implemented 60 minutes of recess, kids scored 10% higher on standardized tests. And I sat down with the head of the NIH, the National Institute of Health, he was there for 30 years. And he let me in on all the brain science. And he was like, you know, it's actually in the time in between when you take breaks from something where your brain is learning. It's actually formulated.

Like, you know if you're a musician or if you're a boxer, right? You know you can't just box all day and get better. You have to take a break. You have to recover, right? Recovery is arguably just as important as the workout itself. 100%, possibly more, you know. So that's the same thing with recess. What we're learning is it's like there's a substance in the brain called myelin. It's like white matter. So we're seeing all these studies coming out about kids that are spending too much time on screens, they're losing white matter. I think they just put out a study that showed kids preschool that spend two hours per day on their

screens are showing a decrease in white matter in the brain. So the way you increase white matter, this is the good news, is outdoor play, unstructured outdoor play. And taking breaks because the myelin, so you have neuropathways forming and the myelin is like the imagine it as like duct tape that's like wrapped around these neuro pathways to help solidify it. So we're seeing all this research coming out and yeah we're seeing that the actual structure of schooling is detrimental to learning has nothing i mean you're waking kids up really early and then you're again sending them to school a lot of these campuses are locked down because of school shooters you know issues with safety we started hitting that um i'm sure you were on the same same boat when we were going through high

school we had to start doing all those drills and so you're dealing you know kids are dealing with that psychologically and the whole structure of education, right? The bell rings. You go from room to room. That's still Prussian education. The whole curriculum being standardized. Everybody's taking the same test. You know, that's why when I went to Finland, which is, I would say, it's the best education system in the world. It's like night and day different. Finland, for a few different reasons, and I'll get into the irony of it, but if Finland does the most amount of time, of recess anywhere in the world. Hmm.

They have the most recess out of any nation in the whole entire world. Yet their kids are scoring at the top in standardized tests. I mean, they're competing with China who spends an ungodly amount of time forcing kids into academics and testing. The one benefit of communism

and say, sit the fuck down. Yeah. The one benefit is, you can get some stuff done. So, I don't like communism. Yeah. That's good to know.

Yeah. I think the FBI might have heard. Yeah, yeah. They're like, oh, got one. So Finland, they don't give any homework to kids. No homework. No homework. They don't give kids any grades until eighth grade.

No, like, letter grades or any of that stuff. So it's really about letting kids be kids. What's the benefit of not giving out grades until so late? Are you ready for the red pill? I don't care what the fucking pill was. I'll take it. Let's go. So grades were,

created to measure conformity. So the higher the grade, the more conforming the individual. So who invented grades? This, I think this comes back to the Prussian system, if I'm not mistaken. Let's look that up. But Carol Dweck, she's one of the, she's a researcher from Stanford. She's a psychologist. She's one of the leading psychologists in the world. And I interviewed her in the film. And they did this experiment in the Bronx, actually, and in Chicago. and they went to the lowest performing test score districts in those cities. And she found this grading scale. Instead of the traditional grading scale, they just threw it out.

And they're like, let's try yet or not yet. Those are the two options. You either got it or you didn't get it yet. And what they found is that if you have, they measured kids with brain scans, kids that went through the traditional education grading system, when they were given a problem, they were pretty much brain dead. They had no brain activity.

So they had a fixed mindset. That's what Carol Dwight came up with. And then when you had kids going through the yet or not yet system, when you gave them a problem, their brain was alive. Because they weren't labeled, right? They didn't have, oh, I got a D.

I'm a D student. They got, I didn't get it yet. Oh, let me keep trying. Let me try again. It's like in a video game when you can come back to life. Exactly. You fuck up a level.

It's like, all right, I can try this again. Yeah, let's run it back. So that's what happened with these kids. And so in the Bronx and in Chicago, these districts that tried the yet or not yet system shot to the top. They were literally the best the next year at standardized testing. When was that? That'd be a good one to pull up.

Not that long ago, though, right? Maybe a couple decades ago. But here's the crazy part. This will blow your mind. The Finnish education system, they saw that research and they adopted it. So they were performing very mid or low mid in education and they shot to the top. So when I went there, they literally were like, you know, telling me, yeah, I tell people if you want to live the American dream, move to Finland. Because they literally based their entire system off of our research.

Now, why didn't we see this research? That's a great question. That's what I want to know. I'm still asking that question. I don't know. I don't know. I don't understand it. I don't I it makes it's if you look at all the brain science if you look at all the research it makes sense to give kids the maximum amount amount of time to outdoor exposure and the least amount of time on tests in Finland they give kids one standardized test in the United States we have 112 from k through 12 120 so it and and Finland has ranked I believe the last eight or nine years is the happiest country on earth So something to that something to that.

Something there. Yeah. Something there. How many people live in Finland? I don't expect you to know. Can we look that up deep? I want to say it's like nine or ten million. It's like, yeah, it's not two people. 5.6. 5.6, yeah. Sizable country, obviously not America, but like that is really, really interesting. Yeah. And I'm not advocating. I mean, we don't need to like copy and paste every bit of their system, but we should probably listen to the research that we did. Yeah, you know, when I look back on it, though, so I think there were parts of my education that were really good. I actually don't have a complaint about college, and I think I'm really lucky with that. I understand why a lot of people have complaints about college these days, but I kind of lucked out with that.

But then there's parts of when I was growing up where I'm like, that school wasn't as good. That system wasn't as good. This was okay, like kind of a mixed bag. I thought high school was decent. But, you know, you're not thinking about that. these things at all as a kid because that's not your job to. Your job is to do, this is going to sound really bad to say, but like go where you're supposed to go and, you know, your parents and the system kind of guide you with that. But looking back on it, I'm not one of these people

that's like, well, we should just let the kids tell us whatever they want to do and we'll just sit back and say, okay, it doesn't need to be like that. But it's also not like, sit the fuck down, Johnny, like we're doing math right now because I said so. There needs to be a balance. So is the balance also putting recess throughout the day? I for one think that makes a ton of sense. You mean getting a kid's fucking blood flowing outside being healthy without a fucking screen that that helps? Oh my God. What an original idea.

But then throughout the day, let's say you are going to stay with a day that's 830 to 230 or something like that. And you're going to say, okay, we're not going to throw out the fact that they're there at that point. Maybe they have to wake up a little too early for that than a kid should. But like the idea, if we had to keep that in place, how would we perfect it? We perfect it by putting more recess in. And then also for me, and I don't want to oversimplify this, I just love your thoughts. I would kind of separate creativity with baseline learning. And what I mean by that is, yeah, if a kid doesn't like math, you still got to teach them math, right?

If a kid doesn't like reading at first, you still got to teach them reading. But you can find a way to make that fun or more interactive. And maybe that starts we can talk about with the design of the rooms, for one thing. But then when it comes to like art or anything that is a pure creative expression, let the kid tell you what they want to do. If the kid wants to learn to play the piano, don't say, all right, bitch, you got to do skerzo number nine. No, if they want to play all the lights by Kanye West, fucking let them play.

You know what I mean? Like there has to be that expression where it's like, all right, you have your space to do that. And I think you would actually get a kid who's more well behaved if they were allowed to do what they wanted to do if it was fun, right? Yeah. Yeah, and all of the neuroscience points to exactly that, that if you have motivated kids, if you have an interest in what you're learning, learning happens automatically. Right.

Automatically. And, you know, so I went to a lot of different schools in the film that I believe are doing it right and are crushing it. Alpha school in Austin is one of them. That's incredible. They're spreading all over the country. I went down to Mexico. Alpha school?

Yeah, Alpha school. Can we pull that up deep? McKenzie Price. She's crushing it. And they, they kind of, I feel like they kind of have it figured out because they've got, I mean, their kids are crushing it in academics. They only focus two hours per day on academics. And then the rest of it is those, like you said, those soft skills like the public speaking, you know, life skills. Yes. Right? Like just learning about how to life. Yeah. Which is probably the most important stuff. And our school system today does not really prioritize life skills because they're so saturated with forcing that. And this is not the fault of.

teachers. I want to make that clear. I'm a huge fan of teachers. And I think teachers are being shackled to an old system and we're not letting them actually teach. We're, you know, and that's from the No Child Left Behind Bill and every student succeed act where we actually really like held them to the fire and made their pay based on their students performance on these tests. That's one of the most, that's the thing that we just got to get that out ASAP. But we're dealing with this. kind of these artifacts of our leadership is just they just aren't it's not clicking for some reason i'm not sure i'm i'm working on it i've got we're going to you know meet with the heritage foundation in june and and we are trying to like get this in front of policy makers and show them the film and just

like maybe this can spark that awareness you know and help people see it i feel like once you see it you can't unsee it that's how it happened with me once i saw all the data saw all the research saw what we're actually doing i was like this just seems so obvious yeah but alph of school is a great example. I mean, they're a private school. She is fighting to get into charter schools. And they fight that all the time. Well, it's so gate kept. Yeah. You know, the state board of education, it's like something new and innovative comes by and it threatens all of their money. It threatens all of their donors. It threatens the textbook monopolies. It threatens the curriculum monopolies. And so they're like, no, stay out. So that's why a lot of the innovation that's happening within education in America,

It's like it's just happening in those charter schools and in or you know, more so in the private schools. And it's kind of only for people that have money. So that's why I'm like, we got to bring this to everyone. We got to get this into the public schools. I met so many impressive kids from charter schools over the years. So many impressive ones. And I met some from charter schools where it's like expense is not an issue, which I don't even, I should know that. I don't even know how that works in some of these.

I should ask that question. But like, you know, they're not paying 15 grand a year to go there or whatever. Like maybe they're selected to go in there or they apply and there's some sort of funding that actually goes to it. I know there was a fight about that and continues to be in the government. And it's like, you know, probably the thing that stood out about just thinking of the kids, I know I went to charter school the most is that the interpersonal skills were tremendous. So maybe they're kind of teaching that or letting them learn that. Yeah, well, charter school is essentially a private school that has access to state money. So it makes basically like a private education.

Like that school can run it however they want. They don't have to stick to the government state standards, but they can still get state funding. That's what a charter school is. Private school, they don't have any state funding. Public school, it's 100% state funded. So just to kind of give you like a ballpark idea of how this all works is imagine like every single one of us. Like imagine like a stereotypical American kid, they're worth about $20,000 per year to the system. So depending on where they go, that's where that $20,000 goes.

It varies by state, right? Some states are more expensive. Some states are left. I'm just giving like kind of an average $20,000. That's, that's, you know, what they're worth. And so it's all based on attendance, right? So this is why you have this huge battle right now. The battle in American education is school of choice.

And there are entities that are fighting like hell to prevent school of choice, mainly the NIA, the ones who created the whole system. So the NEA, they were the architects of the whole standardized education. Now, they get paid based on attendance, right? So what's the last thing you want? You don't want those kids going somewhere else or else you lose that $20,000 per head, right? So they're fighting to ban and, you know, keep school of choice out. But school of choice is gaining serious momentum right now.

I think we have like 18 states under Trump's. I think that one of the good things that the Trump administration is doing is school of choice. And they're rolling that out. So parents have the choice to send their kids to charter schools or alternate schools. Now is it getting there is it getting anywhere this time around? Because like to their credit, I remember I remember Trump pushing that like on the campaign trail in 2015, 2016, as well. And then not a ton happen. Like are they are they making progress now because of the pandemic maybe?

The pandemic. Yeah. They are. They're making serious headway because the pandemic just kind of broke everything. What the pandemic did is the, what the pandemic did is the, the teachers union stepped on a rake because they fought to keep the schools shut. And we knew COVID wasn't really affecting kids the same. So like the smart thing to do was to open schools.

And they lobbied to keep it shut. And the school stayed shut an extra year because of the teacher unions because they lobbied. So what happened is they were still getting federal funding. So they were all getting paid. They just didn't have to go to work. They could work from home. And what happened, which is the like benefit of, that is it brought the classroom into the home. And so parents saw what their kids were being taught.

They're like, what the fuck is this? Right? What the fuck is going on? Or what like the lack of what is not being taught. And so that woke so many people up. Like I said, 1.5 million families pulled their kids out of public schools. So that momentum is growing. And, you know, people are starting to innovate and come up with new curriculums and come up with all sorts of new, like, microschooling, I think is probably the most exciting solution. Microschooling? Yeah, it's essentially like homeschooling, but you do it like, say the four of us, we have kids, and we hire a teacher or one of us becomes the teacher, and we all put our kids there

at that one house. So it's kind of like collective homeschooling. Imagine it as that. And so we all kind of contribute to the salary of the teacher, and so we don't all have to homeschool because most families in America can't homeschool. Right. So micro-schooling is a great solution. And that was really birthed out of, you know, out of the pandemic. Whoa. Now, you know, it's also, I think about this a lot. You can quote unquote, win the lottery, if you will, depending on where you're born and what your town is and what the situation is. There's problems in the whole system to be clear and you're doing a great job pointing that out. But like my mom was a public school teacher. Came up in the whole system. hated the teachers union refused to be a part of it so she was she was uh what was the term like black

pilled on that early or whatever good for her but she taught it like an amazing public school like they actually she taught at council rock in pennsylvania which i can't speak for that now but like at the time in the 90s like that was like a really fucking good school and then like in my town that we lived in they were doing heroin in the bathroom at like 11 and she's like all right well i have one child So you're going to private school. And I think that worked out a lot better for me than it would have there. But point being, you know, you have some places where even if I looked at it with the bullshit like just standardized testing, I could look at one town where the standardized testing is like they're scoring a 500. And then another town over, which is being funded by the same fucking government, they're scoring 1,100 or something like that.

So it's also like you have different talent levels of teachers, different incentives levels of teachers. teachers, different places that are either prioritizing it with tax money or not. And parents also don't control. So like, how do we fix that too? Is it just purely like, be like, yeah, we're doing full choice, school choice? Yeah, they've done studies that showed school of choice overall brings the quality of education up the best out of, out of anything. It definitely shakes things up initially, but I think there's probably studies we can

pull up to check that out. Yeah, I mean, I think any time. that you allow competition and you allow others to bring different solutions to the table ends up, you know, ends up working out. Yeah. Now, by the way, if you guys are enjoying this especially, the documentary is awesome. So we will have the documentary link down below. Highly encourage you check it out.

Like you got, you've studied a couple of them today, but you got some amazing interviews in there as well, like people who were agreeing to talk on this and really provide insight. And, you know, I'm not a father yet. You are, but I'm already thinking about this for when I have kids. it's like, you know, you damn well don't want to be a helicopter parent in any way like that. I don't believe in any of that shit. But at the same time, what is like the system done to make you just say, yeah, I'm sure it's fine over there. You know, like you don't want to just assume it's going to work out.

Well, and it's changed so much, right? Like your mom found out because of the teachers unions, the teachers unions have really welcomed in some of these radical, different, you know, ideologies that we have this. You know, in the United States, I think it was 1947, the Supreme Court, really, like, that's where we officially did the separation of church and state. Don't miss the devil wears product too in theaters. Merrill Street, Anne Hathaway, Emily Blunt, and Stanley Tucci are back. In light of the recent scandal, I'm here to restore your credibility. I did not hire you, and all I need to do is bide my time until you fail. On May 1st, icons.

I'm going to make something of this job. Rain. Be the bridges I burn. Night my way. Forever. I just love. my job. Get tickets now. The devil wears prodig too. In theaters May 1st, directed by David Frankl. And I think, you know, there's a lot of benefits to religious freedom, but where we've gotten to, we've gotten to this sticky point where we've invited curriculums like the Soji curriculum that I uncovered. I had no idea what Soji was.

Soji. Soji is sexual orientation gender identity. And then you have the LGBTQ. And it's really kind of operated as a religion. But it doesn't fall. under the religion category. So it's in this really sticky in between where what happened, that's a whole deep dive if you want to go down it, how Soji even came to be. Please. It's messed up. It's wild. Soji originated in 2006. There was a summit in Indonesia called the Yoga Karta summit. And it was funded by John Stryker, who is like the hair to the striker medical company. Oh, yeah. And he's gay and he's invested a ton of money into LGBTQ initiatives. So he was actually, he's like the number one investor into all this.

And he funded. So he created this thing called the Arcus Foundation. And they funded the Yogia Kharta summit in Indonesia. And what that was, this was really run by the UN. the UN was like, hey, in order to give you Soji people and LGBTQ rights, we need like a meeting for all of these different lawyers and psychologists and everybody to gather to kind of codify human rights, human rights law. Were they paid to come to a pre-desire conclusion?

Yeah. Well, they were paid to be there, so they were hand-selected. Absolutely. So we can't really rely on that being very, you know, unbiased research, right? And we're seeing that. We're seeing all sorts of harms that these, you know, hormone blockers and, you know, gender transitioning. We're seeing that, like, I uncovered that in the film. There's so many harms to children.

And, like, a lot of it turns into your grooming kids, right? Kids at the age of 12 are able to make medical decisions. Kids in Colorado, it's the State Department of Education mandates that you teach kids about SOGI in first grade. Sexual orientation. gender identity. So you're teaching kids about sex in first grade. That's mandated. Any sex. Nothing. First grade. Right? And this is like something 80% of parents agree on. But why is it being pushed in the schools? Like that's the question I ask. I have no issue with people being gay, being trans, do whatever you want. If you want to identify as a, you know, Norwegian red squirrel.

I don't care. Like go ahead. Oh, you're a transracial guy. Yeah. Can I be black for the day? Absolutely. Go ahead, man. I don't. I'm not offended. So, I don't care, but if you start pushing it on kids, that's where we have an issue, right? And that's what's happening right now is like a lot of parents are like, hey, you know, pump the brakes. So what happened is in 2006, they codified this into human international law. It could have been 2009. I might be wrong on the dates. Soji?

That was the Yoghākarta summit where they created the human rights laws surrounding Soji. and what that did is it codified it in a international human rights law. Internationally. Internationally. But what happened is the UN took that and they said, okay, let's start enforcing it.

So that's where DEI comes in. And really the UN are like the enforcers. They were the, you know, OGs of pushing DEI and enforcing that. And then from there, you know, same Arcus Foundation. You could trace. It's really Arcus Foundation, the Gill Foundation. and it's like the Stryker family, like Pat Stryker.

A lot of them are based in Colorado. So that's why Colorado is like the guinea pig. It's like, let's see what we can do here. Let's see what we can create. It was like four billionaires flipped Colorado from being a red state to a blue state. There's just four people. And those four people are the ones that created and funded and established this Soji, you know, curriculum.

And so it's anything against parental rights. against, you know, religious rights. And they, they attack it. So, you know, they funded all sorts of different, you know, advocacy groups to bring this into schools. And that's kind of like G-L-S-E-N. They're kind of like the main group that pushes this curriculum into schools. And they funded them as well. So, I mean, they hit it from top to bottom to get it to bring it into the schools. And I don't know. I don't know if there's like, you know, some nefarious agenda to groom kids with all this. It seems that way. It seems like that way.

It seems like that's what you're doing. You're taking advantage of very vulnerable kids. But the issue is, and thankfully, the Supreme Court just ruled with Mahmood versus Taylor, I think, last year, that parents can opt their kids out of any SOGI or LGBTQ curriculum because it's a violation of their religious freedom. How did they police that, though? Exactly. Right. And what I uncovered by going undercover inside the NEA, because I actually went to their conference and went into the breakout sessions and heard what they were saying in closed-door meetings. Oh, that shit sounded crazy.

And they are actively subverting parents. There's things called like GSAs, which are gender sexuality awareness clubs. And they on camera are saying, I recommend maybe you don't use this name. Try something different. Right. So they have like 40 different inconspicuous names for this stuff. So unfortunately, I don't want to sound like fear mongering. That's okay.

But this stuff is happening all over the country, and it's happening indiscreetly. It's happening behind parents' backs. And the only way for you to know if it's happening or not is to really go in the school and go find out for yourself. Because anywhere where the NEA is, the teachers unions, which are, there's 2.8 million members, and they are the largest labor union in the United States. they have a monopoly on education. Anywhere where they are,

they have funded this stuff. They've given money to it. They've promoted it. So it's in there. And it's textbook group think ideology too when it's bastardized in the worst possible way. By the way, when you were filming that though,

because like you said, you have the undercover video in the dock. Like, how do you do that without being noticed? You got like a fucking button camera or something? I don't know if I should give away my secrets. A lot of it was just on my iPhone.

You just like... Yeah, I just kind of like propped it up. Yeah. I propped it up on my, my backpack, actually. So, yeah, they have no idea. Yeah. That was crazy. My jaw hit the floor when they were like praising the satanic temple. And I mean, you're just looking like, that's where I come to, you know, I, I wanted to avoid this stuff when I was making the film. I was like, I want to stay out of politics.

I want to stay out of this stuff. I just want to make a film about education. But then I realized like, oh, it's all interconnected. You can't separate them. right because education is like the battlefield and i think we're fine we're at a moment right now too it's a very unique moment and i mean this in a good way it's a fun dangerous time in the sense that the veil has now been lifted on what i would characterize as like the uniparty system where you have the democrats the republicans at one moment one sounds crazier than the other it's kind

of flipped that way back and forth my whole life and then you realize they're all funded by the same people. Over time, they support the same systems overall. You know, maybe they argue about this, this, or that how to do it, but they generally support the same things. And then you see such blatantly insane, depraved, awful stuff like the Epstein stuff we're staying right now, where every administration, every Congress, D or R controlled over the last probably about 30 years, has put a lid on it. And stopped it. So if they're willing to do that for something like that, what are they willing to do for what they don't show you in education? You know, don't ask, don't tell, no pun intended. Right? Like that, I don't know, this has been a really, it feels like the perfect time for a bipartisan attack here because we are now realizing that the world is separated between extremely elite people and everyone else. And everyone else, and everyone else, including. the homeless guy outside and your buddy whose dad's got a great small business that does like

8 million in revenue a year and he drives a Porsche. Believe it or not, like that sounds crazy, but like he's a nobody compared to what we're talking about. And I just, you know, I try to play with this to not get my brain to go too far off the edge, but it's in once you see it's impossible not to see. All right, maybe this will blow your mind a little bit more. Blow it away. Pause. So it Not one single US president has sent their kids to a public school And doesn't surprise me This might blow your mind a little bit more

Horace man The guy that created this whole system Right homeschooled homeschooled his kids God damn it He had three sons He homeschooled him So you're 100% spot on It's it's an elitist system

It was built by the elites And they didn't even send their kids to it Let that sink it. We all went through a system that they themselves created and they didn't even send their kids to it. So it shows. I mean, we were viewed as like cattle. You know, it's like, let's just create consumers. Let's create people that are going to just obey and follow orders. And I think that's why everybody's having this crisis of meaning right now. Where it's like, what does this all mean? We're just consuming things. And it's like, no, hey, no, that's not how God intended it to be.

know, it's just how the system was captured. You study a lot of history. I like that. I mean, that's, that's how you learn things. But it is, you know, and I try to, I'm an optimist and I also try to like, be like, let's pull back to equilibrium and all that. But when you see the patterns as they are right now, across every level of society, I don't need to list them all off.

You know what I'm talking about. We're hitting on one of them today. But like, if this does not change. at some point and people continue to fall in the spread of the wealth gap and meaninglessness, you will have a French Revolution moment. Big time. People think that, oh, that can't happen in fucking 20-20. Bitch, they were fucking burning cities five years ago because they were bored for three months

on the couch. You know what I mean? Like, that wouldn't be good for anybody. We could rug the system pretty easily, actually. It's just we've all been kind of pitted against each other. Yes. It's all of us are paying tax. taxes. If we all stopped paying taxes, they would have no money. That's the reality. This is why,

in my opinion, this is why they don't teach kids about taxes. If they taught us about the Federal Reserve and the Federal Reserve Act of 1913 and how all of this was all created and they said, oh yeah, actually before 1913, your ancestors, they weren't doing any of this stupid shit. If they taught us that stuff in school, we wouldn't, we would be like, oh, this is insane. We're not doing it. That's why they don't teach it, right? That's my whole thing is everybody focuses on, okay, there's all these crazy things they're teaching kids. Yes.

What are the things they're not teaching us? Right? They're not teaching us like what happened leading into the American Revolution where they're not teaching us that the founding fathers were in their like 20s and 30s and got together and we're like, no, sorry. Fucking ripping hemp and writing out like the greatest documents of all time. Exactly. Like sacred geometry and they were just tapped in.

So, yeah, on a positive note, I do feel like, on one side, I'm like, I don't want to push for a revolution. I want to push for a restoration. Yeah. Like, let's just opt out. Let's just get, let's just step out of that system. And it, yeah, it's probably going to die. It's going to continue to die. But if you opt yourself out and you inspire other people around you to pull their kids out of that system and you guys kind of start going this way, we start

building like regenerative farms. We start, you know, getting back in tune with the land. We start decentralizing the money. We're seeing that happening. We have kind of the recipe. Like you said, it's there. It's brewing. It's just the awareness has to click. There has to be that, you know, there has to be that kind of critical mass moment where enough people, it doesn't have to be the majority, but enough people are like, this just isn't, this isn't benefiting us. It's not benefiting the world. Right. All these. foreign wars. Like,

I, and I don't know the answer to this, right? Because, like, I don't want to see, like, in Iran right now. We're at war.

We're in a new war. You guys are well aware of that. It's like, man, it just feels like this is, like, we're just repeating the same thing over and over. Like,

let's just go drop bombs, blow things up, and then it's going to fix everything. Like, I've spent time in the Middle East. And stuff doesn't work, man. It just doesn't seem like it works.

It might, like, Band-Aid solution for a little bit, but it's expensive. It puts us into massive amounts of debt. I mean, I'm sure you've seen the charts of, like, the debt from president to president. It's insane.

That is the can that has been kicked down the road that will blow up at some point. It cannot not blow up. Does that mean it blows up next year? Not necessarily. But, like, in my lifetime, if it is not drastically change, will it blow up?

Fuck yet? Well, what are we, 39? I don't even know the number now. You can't even keep track it. It's like 39 trillion or something in debt. Like, yeah, we'll just invent fucking paper money. I always think those zeros would fit on this desk. They don't.

They don't, yeah. The U.S. debt clot. Wow, I got it. 38 trillion, 800. I can't even read that number out. Yeah, like how. Learn your fucking math. That's what we should do.

This is how you teach math. Kids, you want to see how much your daddy's fucking losing in money? Yeah. Count this. If you can count. What is this? This is actually really. really cool.

Yeah. U.S.decklot.org and it's got every variable. You could teach a whole class on this right here. So our mutual friend, Mark Gagnon, has he told you about his schooling upbringing? No. Oh, so he's what you call a classically trained conspiracy theorist. So his mom homeschooled him and instead of like, you know, we're going to learn 100 plus 50 today, she'd be like, Bilderberg.

like handed to him and then like 9-11 Building 7 No Yeah And like his mom Who's a dear friend of mine His mom

Was on it With a lot of things Including stuff that like Eight months ago I'd been like I don't know But now it's like Wow she was ahead of the curve

It's like The quote should be like A conspiracy is Gagnon's mom Plus 25 years Oh wow Yeah Yeah we're running out of conspiracy theories At this point

Yeah I don't even, I don't have much information for you at this point. Do you, when you look at that, when you look at the debt picture, like, what, how do you think this kind of plays out? So, I mean, you look at like Clinton was the last president to be able to get us in a surplus. Yeah. Unfortunately, he was in a surplus of some other stuff, but. Bad guy. Yeah, a few things.

Bad guy. The 94 Crime Bill Act was terrible, though it was bipartisan. I'll give him that because he lost the midterms. and he repealed Glass-Steagel, which set the course quite literally for the financial crisis. These are all horrible things. Didn't get us into too many foreign wars compared to what we do. They had the whole situation in the Balkans, but not a lot of that. And oversaw the best years in American history.

And to your point, you know, this is like saying it's a dwarf among midgets, but, you know, he was the best when it comes to not having our debt be completely out of control. Then you get Bush, Obama, Trump, it all stays the same, D or R. They just put it up because they got a win on a Tuesday in November. And everything is just a fucking narrative. And it's just a plot point for some 30 second ad that some billionaire is going to spend like $10 million to buy on NBC while we're having our bread and circus watching the fucking Patriots lose. You know, it's not at some point, I think in society. we got to talk about that. And we got to say, all right, what do we play in that system?

What role do we play? How much do we just sit on this all day and accept the never-ending scroll and not think about it and be like, you know what? I'm not going to touch that right now. Let's just get it out of here. You know, I think we also do have to look at ourselves too, no? A hundred percent. I think that's we have the power. We the people.

We constitutionally have the power. And if you look at the founding fathers for as imperfect as they were, they're a hundred percent. I think wrote that thing to prevent us from what we're living in. Like we just kind of were born into it. Like there was bad mistakes that previous generation. I heard a quote that I don't remember where it came from, but it was eternal vigilance is the price of liberty. Eternal vigilance is the price of,

that's a bar. And was that biggie smalls? It could have been. It could have been. It really could have been. I don't know who ripped that one. Maybe it's another Keanu Reeves quote. An Irish order. Okay.

Oh, wow. Dang. But that, that slapped. Yeah. Is that from 1852? Wow. John Phillips, Perrin. Probably didn't like the royal family, I'm guessing.

Yeah. Right? Yeah. That is an Irish thing to say. Yeah. I do feel that's what it is. We have to... We have to...

Oh, my God. It is bicycle liberty. He's got a meat of him. Yeah, that was great. He's just whipping a Guinness that down and saying that. He's like, wow. Yeah, no, I spit right there. Not going to lie for it.

And here we are repeating it. Yeah, Ben Franklin has a similar quote. He's like those who, what was it? Those who want protection. Safety. For safety. Safety in exchange for liberty and freedom deserve neither or something like that. Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary.

safety deserve neither liberty nor safety yeah yeah okay yeah they were they were they were dialed yeah he's my favorite i study the shit out of him he was way ahead of his time like just a genius so do you feel what what would it take because i mean i look at so many things that are happening today and i'm like oh like we already have enough of an excuse to not pay taxes but like do you think there's like something where do you see a point where we could get where everybody kind of looks around and it's just like, yeah, let's just stop paying them. Or maybe not stop paying them

in full, but like, you know, do you see that being a possibility or could that just destroy everything? Could that make it way worse than it is? Do you want me to tell you what I want the answer to be or what I think it is? Both. What I want the answer to be is say, yeah, fuck the system.

Let's all just piece out to up our middle fingers and it'll all work out. The reality is we've been the empire for a while in America so that means you have no friends even your friends are like you know you think the British don't remember 76 they still do they're like hey that was us we had that and now they got it you know so like this I love our British friends obviously but governments of governments you know the system crashing all at once would probably you know would you want to rule over ashes or would you want to like rebuild where you do the Phoenix

part before the ashes. I'd want to do the Phoenix part before the ashes, which means you probably couldn't just all be like, you know, let's all not pay it. However, the spirit of that and rebelling against at least some of it that we can all agree on. Now that, what's that, that middle ground right there? That might be something because, I mean, how many billions of dollars are we going to spend on Ukraine? How many times am I going to see 10 million of my tax dollars have a senator signed? Gaza and send it in to kill kids, you know, on the rocket before they do it. Like, that's not what I'm paying for. What I'm, what I want to pay for is that the bus picks up the kids and takes the kids to a school where they're actually going to learn something and not be fucking

brainwashed, you know, the trash gets taken to the proper place and it's not as best as in the fucking system. Like, these are very simple ass, but we don't, we don't get them. So to your point, Yeah, at some point there should be some sort of collective like, yeah, this isn't going to fly. That's beautiful. Do you feel the boomers are kind of like once they're gone? Do you feel like our generation stepping in is going to have that kind of social awareness? That's the one thing I'm very interested to see. Well, what do you think?

It's going to be a mixed bag, I'm sure, because the issue with institutional power is they have so much money now and so much influence. and, you know, people don't want to give that up once they have it. But I do see, you know, people like Thomas Massey, I think are a great example, but they're also getting pushed out. You know, win. You think he's going to win? Yes. Okay. I hope so.

I think, actually, I think that's a great argument for hope here. I think people are seeing through that, like, what? He tried to release the Epstein files and said no to APEC money and you're trying to get him out of there. Go fuck yourself. That'll be a huge win. I think bigger than more people maybe realize if he wins that. What are the polling? Let's find that out.

I'd love that. He's tweeting like right now to me, him and Roe Conner are like a protected class for me. I've never said that about politicians. But I'm like, yo, y'all are the least two worst among us right now. He's tweeting like he's scared, which scares me. Maybe that's just on purpose to make sure he wins by fucking 75%. I hope that's what it is. But, you know, I feel like a lot of people in Kentucky, you know, they're not, they're not too worried about Israel.

I feel like they got bigger fish to fry down there. Yeah. And when some guy comes out and says, you know, I'm going to make sure that I'm a great fucking friend to Israel and Congress, they're going to be like, what? Yeah. No, I'm going to stick with this guy. Yeah. You know? I got to go take care of my chicken coop.

Yeah. I got time for this. I mean, this is the same state that has Rand Paul that's been elected forever. So, I mean, I think that's a good omen. Do we have anything, Defe? The only thing I got is Cali. So they're suppressing the polls. That's what they're doing.

He's favored it on Cali. Okay, good. Only by 59 to 41. That's pretty easy. All right, if you're listening from Kentucky, get out. Yeah, what? And by the way, keep Thomas Massey in. Look at this.

Look at the Calci polling. Since the Epstein files were released right here, he's at 76%. Uh-huh. And now he's down to 59. He is on an upward spike now, which is good. Yeah, that's good. But I mean, come on, people. This isn't hard.

Yeah. Yeah, I am optimistic, though. I am overly, overall, I'm optimistic because so many parents are choosing to educate their kids now. And so I think we're going to have way more critical thinkers in the world. And especially with AI, we're going to have this gap where you're going to have kids like at Alpha school or, you know, different solutions like Notion that I focused on in Mexico, you're going to have kids that are creators that know how to use these technologies to create. And then you're going to have consumers. So my prayer, my hope is that we have a lot of kids

that are creators that are engaging in society and not victims, right? We do not want to teach kids to be victims. I think there's a lot of that going on right now where we're kind of teaching kids, oh, you know, this is a racist country, this system's oppressive, and da-da-da-da-da. You know, it's important to know what happened like we've been discussing, but we have to solve problems. We have to, you know, change things, create change. So I'm optimistic that that's going to happen. Maybe I'm crazy for thinking that, but I, and I hope you're right. I hope you're right. I think we also need to normalize other types of heroes too. So I think it's awesome when you grow up

and you have some heroes who are athletes or entertainers and stuff like that and maybe they're really good guys too and they do something really impressive. I don't, let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater here. I think that's great when kids like that. But I think it'd be really cool

if more kids grew up and looked at you know, like a Navy SEAL David Goggins as a hero and stuff like that. because, and he's an extreme example because he's the ultimate, you just gotta do it, you gotta be hard, motherfucker.

Yeah. Right? But still, there is something in that and he lives it, by the way. Like we've seen all these, I mean, you've seen it up close,

but you saw a lot of people come up at the dawn of the internet and they claimed all these things and they looked like this thing and now we're far past the point where we realize, ah, he wrote some checks, his ass couldn't cash.

David Goggins is still, I watched a video of him like three months ago, like finishing some 170, mile race with his fucking knee falling off in the middle of the night. And it looks miserable to me, but like, that's what he said he was doing a decade ago. That's what he's still doing. You know, and I think, I think who our kids look up to and the types of attitudes that those people have about life is extremely, extremely important. Yeah, we, I mean, we used to call that the rugged individual, rugged individualism

and it does seem like you need a little bit more of that you know like the warmth of collectivism I think you're well not yours New York's governor mayor is that's kind of his slogan

yeah the more safety nets we provide in society the safer we make it and the less risk you know the more you can just sue people for anything it creates comfort and it's expensive. All these welfare programs, all these social programs are very expensive.

But if you can empower people to be rugged individuals, that's where we come from. Like the pioneers, like the early settlers here, that was not easy life. Not easy life. And I'm not, I wouldn't want to go back and have to live in those conditions by any means. But I agree with you, that mindset, you know, being built for whatever can be thrown at you. I mean, do Ukraine war is what a, is I spent a year in Ukraine and it really taught me. You spent a year in Ukraine.

Yeah, yeah, I spent a year in there. All right, tell me about that. How did you, how the fuck did you end up there? I was originally gonna go for 10 days. And I went, didn't tell my mom. Did not tell mom on that one. Like, mom, how are you doing? She's like, where are you at?

Ukraine? What? But I was, I had done some work with a humanitarian organization called Global Empowerment and they're based in Doral, Florida. I had done some stuff with them in the Amazon, more natural disaster stuff with the Amazon fires in 2019. And that kind of like planted the seed for me to start doing things greater than myself.

I was like, I want to try to contribute to something greater than me. So you went down there while the fires were going on. Went down there and we did a cool program where we like bought a bunch of firefighter gear for a bunch of indigenous people that were like, just needed stuff to fight these little fires. Where in the Amazon? Bolivia.

Okay. It was on the Bolivia side. And in 2022, I saw the war. I saw the invasion. And it really shook me. I was like, just from a purely humanitarian perspective, I was like, man, this is like messed up. And so I went out there in July, so just a couple months after it had started. And I went to a city called Bucha, which was just outside of Kiev.

And that was where the Bucha massacre happened. So the Russian soldiers basically, basically, came in and they killed and they raped a bunch of girls like really young girls like some of them were like eight nine years old 13 years old they killed like over 500 civilians just mass graves and I saw all of it and I was interviewing these people I mean it was insane and so all the mass graves yeah yeah saw it the battle that had happened I mean just like house is blown up bullet holes everywhere I mean it was just like a game of call of duty like had just rolled through it was the most insane thing I've seen what's it like though you know it's not like you were a special forces soldier who'd seen like 40 towards a duty or something what's it like to come upon a place where there are civilian of great i mean the the the regular army men bodies too but like women and children just dead by the hundreds or thousands i i can't i can't fathom that no i mean that's why i stayed i was like i'm staying here i'm not going home i'm going to like help these people because they don't

deserve this. Does it desensitize you a little bit once you see that so much? Yes and no. I think it's more of like you learn how to maybe handle it a little bit more. So yeah, I guess it can desensitize you. Because I mean, you have to. I mean, the human nature in us has to normalize whatever environment we're in, right? Like when I'm in Ukraine, there's people walking their dogs while the air raid sirens are going off and there's like Shaheed drones flying into the city. And I had to do the same thing, you know? Like, I would just be like, I, I can't stay coward in fear while these alarms are going off. So who were you there with?

With the nonprofit that I'm that I'm working with. Yeah, but like how many people are we talking? Well, so we, it's cool. I like the org that I work with because we don't import a bunch of foreign volunteers. So the guy I work with Michael Capone, he's the founder of Global Empowerment Mission. And so he, I went in with him, but he travels a lot. And so I started going out to the Donbos, which is like the eastern part of Ukraine. And I spent a lot of time out there kind of helping because the war had shifted from Kiev to the Donbos.

And so I went out there. I was kind of like on the first teams to go out there and start assessing just like, hey, what's going on? What are the needs like just seeing what's up, you know? What did the people say there in the Donbos? Like, what was the vibe? Were there people? Because that's the one region that people talk about like, well, there's Russian speakers. Do they want to be in Ukraine?

Do they want to be Russian? There's so much propaganda there. Oh, yeah. The propaganda is crazy. Well, I found that there's a crazy amount of propaganda. And the vast majority of people want to be Ukrainian. Really? Yeah, because they, after the Soviet Union, life was tough, but it was way better in Ukraine than it was Russia.

I think from the Western perspective, we look at like, oh, Ukraine's super corrupt. Yeah, they have their issues. Russia's got way worse issues. You know, Ukraine is definitely more leaning towards being European, obviously, especially now. But yeah, by and large, people wanted to be Ukrainian. I maybe ran across a couple people that were just like, I don't care. But the vast majority of people are like, no, we don't want to go back to that. We do not want to go back to the Soviet Union.

So that's why they're fighting. They're fighting like hell to, you know, prevent Russia from taking their land. It's also wild, though, that you're talking about a war that has estimates of like too million casualties like a million whatever it was we looked at the other day deep like a million dead and the world the world continues funding it and continues and i've had guys in here who are you know from the military side who have been there on the lines as well who can at least also speak to the style of war fighting and everything and they're like these motherfuckers they're fighting for two weeks over 14 yards and there's hundreds of body stacking up oh yeah and this is happening all over

the country and at some point you're like people talk about like bankers wars and population control you're like are we just watching this happen in real time yeah it's tough it's it you know what's the solution i think if i had the answer to that then i'd probably be in a different position i don't know what the solution is it's it's tough i i love the ukrainian people they're beautiful their spirit is incredible. I feel like the Ukrainians have a lot to bring to the world, too. So I do... What do you mean by that? Their skill, their grit, their abilities, I mean, you look at the drone technology that they've developed, that alone is phenomenal. I mean, they had a really strong tech industry before that was emerging. They have an immense amount of natural resources.

Do we want that going to Russia? Do we want that staying with Europe? I mean, these are the questions that I want to answer, but it's like, you kind of have to answer some of those questions, you know, with geopolitics. So judging by Russia, I don't know if we want to see a really strong Russian empire again. Yeah. And that's the other thing, too. It's like kicking the canned on the road, right? We already dealt with that. And like, do we want to deal with it again? Do we want to let them regain the Soviet Union? And that's part of the reason I think you got to stop this war, because they have a GDP the size of Italy. No offense, but they're not like that. They could become like that if you allow them to fight a perpetual war, gain more ground, potentially get access to resources

strictly because you kept the war going that they wouldn't have access to. And now you play it 50, 60 years out and maybe suddenly they have a GDP the size of China. I mean, I'm taking a lot of leaps there, but like it's not out of the realm of possibility. Whereas if you just, I mean, the West is fun in the war too. You can go in and be like, all right, let's make some sort of. a little compromise here. You could take what would feel like a, all right, we're letting Putin live. We don't like that.

But people aren't dying, which I feel like they don't care about. And also, sadly, and also you have controlled growth of where Russia is. And now there's a clear red line. Like if they try anything, they're gone. That'll be, the world won't give them

a second time for it to be like, well, what about the people that would it would just be like, nope, you come over. you're getting invaded, that's it. Yeah, this is why I think it's like, hopefully it's the final war, you know, for them. Not looking good, bro. We just fucking invaded Iran. Well, I'm saying the final war between Ukraine and Russia.

Hopefully this is kind of like, draw the lines and you enforce that. I hope so. You have outside, you know, we were supposed to enforce that when Ukraine gave up their nukes. We kind of had a little deal with them. Yeah, we also broke promises to Russia, too. 100%. In the 90s that cannot be denied. Yeah.

And there's been a lot. It's a messy. It's a lot of like hornets nest kicking. You know what I mean? Like over and over again, they're like, oh, we'll kick this Putin guy again. He won't care. It's like, well, he just killed two journalists in fucking Britain.

I feel like he cared. Yeah, we'll kick him again. Oh, now he killed his political opposition. I think he cares. Yeah, we'll kick him again. No, now he invaded Ukraine. It's like, what do you expect to happen? Yeah.

You know? Yeah, it's tough. It's tough. I'm not the geopolitic expert. But from a purely humanitarian perspective, I think it's pretty clear, like who's on the on the right side, if you will. Yes. I think the Ukrainian people don't want this war, right?

Of course. If it was up to the Ukrainian people, the war would be over today. If it was up to and, you know, they would exist. If they gave up right now, they wouldn't exist anymore. So it's a, it's a war for existence. It's not their fault. It's not their fault for sure. But you were there for a full year.

Mm-hmm. So what was, you know, you said you wanted to be there for 10 days originally? and you're there with the guy who's the head of the humanitarian foundation. But like, who are you with specific people in the Ukrainian military? Are you with specific civilians who are fixers? Like, what does it look like? And what did you end up doing on a day to day for a year? So I was with a ex-special forces guy in the Ukrainian military.

And then some active special forces guys as well. So the military would kind of take us around. like we went to Bachmoud, Avdivka, Wuladar, Kupianz, like all of, all over the front lines, from Kerson to Zaporizia, and all throughout the Donbos.

And we would go, so our primary mission was to bring food to, essentially what happens within, at the time when it was just artillery, now it's drone warfare. So, I mean, if you're like anywhere 10 kilometers near the front line,

like FPV drones, you're literally, whenever we're driving, we're like looking out, listening, no music, because those things are lethal. When I was out there in the beginning, it was primarily artillery, but they had destroyed all these grocery stores. They were attacking all the power plants. So these people wanted to stay. And if they flee, they become refugees. And we don't want that. Nobody wants that in Europe. Nobody wants that in the world. You don't

want a bunch of refugees that creates a crisis. So our job was how can we keep these people here? They want to stay here. Well, they need food. They need water. They need windows to be repaired that have gotten blown out, you know, when it's the winter. So that was our primary focus going village to village. And, you know, it started with just a small team. And now we have, you know, the Howard Buffett Foundation funds our whole operation out there. So we have, you know, we're doing, I think like 800,000 people a month receive food from our organization. That's making a big difference. Yeah. It's a massive, massive humanitarian operation.

And we're an NGO. So we're performing, and I don't say as to brag. It's just, it's kind of, I think it's cool. We only have 3% overhead. So when you look at other nonprofits or like you look at UN agencies, I mean, they have immense amount of overhead and they're doing a fraction of what we're doing. So they have an extra zero on their budget and they're doing less than what we're doing. So that's been cool to work with an organization that's disrupting the space.

So you going back? Yeah, yeah. I'll be back. When? June, I think. June or September. How long you plan on staying? Not that long.

Thankfully, you know, our model is empowerment and they're empowered. Like, they're all Ukrainians. Like, we have like 3,000 Ukrainian employees.

We don't really send any Americans there. So you're making jobs too. Yeah. Yeah, that's what it's about. And, you know, the traditional model is like,

send your staff in there and you do it all. And then when you leave, you leave, like, that's not our model. Our model is like, let's empower victims

of that disaster. Let's give them the tools they need to help. So I don't really need to be there anymore. In the beginning, I kind of needed to be there because I needed to help, you know, and oversee things, make sure it was going to the right places. I didn't have anything to gain, you know.

So you got to kind of make sure people are, you know, doing what they're saying, you know, doing what they're saying they're going to do. Were you ever in situations where you were genuinely, like, afraid for your life? Yeah, yeah. I could send you a video. I have a GoPro video of, if you want to watch it.

Send away. Yeah, give it to Dief. He'll pull it up while we're talking. That's, wow. See what I can find. My friend Katarina Schultz was actually just there too. And you talk about the drone warfare. We've done a couple podcasts recently, really talking about drones as well. So it's like kind of top of mind. But she had to change. She was there. So she does like a lot of cartel reporting. And she had to change the tree line behind her using AI. So it looks face. behind her behind where a bunch of these these Ukrainian soldiers who are mercenaries that they were hiring had their face blurt so people were like oh this picture's fake she's like it's not but the background is changed because the military mandates that you have to change the background and everything because it allows for geolocational targeting of drones and people get taken out and it's like Jesus Christ man oh yeah I mean I do remember for what it's worth I remember like when they were Even when I was a little kid when they were chasing bin Laden and he would do a video. He would always have to make sure at the beginning he was like doing videos with rocks behind him.

And even back in like oh two, the CIA would be like reading for the structure and makeup of the rocks on this on the 480P video and trying to determine the location of it just based on the rock. So it's like, imagine what they can fucking do now. They're probably like, all right, he's at this longitude and latitude in front of this place because we see that scar and that tree. And out of the fucking 12 billion trees in the country, that one's like, I wouldn't be surprised if they could do that for sure. Oh, they definitely geolocate. We had to turn off our, I just texted you the link. So maybe you can send that up to. Go ahead.

Download that. But yeah, you have to turn off your phones, location services. There's a lot of protocols that we had to go through whenever we were getting near the front lines. Just they can pick that up. They pick up the cell service and they can just like. send a drone right away. We've had a couple close calls with our team. Thankfully, we've got, you know,

everybody's been safe so far. Now, this video, you and I are going to watch it. Is this something we can have on screen now? Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, you guys should show us. It's not going to show like people dying, though? No. Okay.

I might show some gore, so you might have to. All right, so we'll just make a note of that if we have to like blur out some stuff. Fortunately, and this is a little bit, this is like a three minute video. if you want to watch the full thing you can or you can just where do you want us to cut it to if you don't want us watching the full thing well you could play a little bit from the beginning just to get context and then you can skip that a little bit and when this was 2022 or 2023 this was

2023 I believe who's that in front of that that's just uh so we were given out humanitarian aid boxes here wow look at these bulls. So these people, their apartment just got hit by them, this. So that was like artillery that just had. So you got to go? Yeah, I don't know, I'm gonna be in the background. So you can hear in the back, there's like a full-blown tank battle that was happening. So there's a full-blown tank battle happening.

God, it's like, it's like, it's like in the middle of a regular town. Yeah, one day it was normal and now it was just... So we saw the smoke rising, so I was like, I just pointed, none of the guys I was like could speak English. So I just pointed at the smoke and he's like, oh, let's go check it out. And that's my buddy Niernae. And we pulled up and there's this guy that's a soldier that. basically lost his leg. Oh.

You're playing and so it's just insane. We're like, well, we can't leave him, so we just like threw a bunch of stuff and just loaded him up. And they're on this hold him. Hold on.

Hold on. Put dervue no, because she was down there. And the GoPro's on your head, right? Yeah. And this is insane footage. Yeah, my heart was like going off. Go ahead.

Go ahead. Go ahead. For his good leg, on me, for him, for him, for him, but I'm here, let's get a rope. Let's get out. Go ahead.

Go ahead. Just get out. And then they had this other soldier saw us, and he messed up his head. Real bad. And so we learned them up. I know. And artillery was coming in,

was coming in while we were leaving. Like towards you? Yeah, around us, yeah. How close was a hospital or a doctor? We drove, I want to say maybe like 15 minutes to like a front, there was like a little front line undercover. Wow, I came across this house that I showed here. So yeah, they, basically the Russians launched a bunch of grad missiles in

and they like blew up, these guys got hit by them. Yeah, that was probably the most Yeah, that was probably the most gnarly. And then we had other situations where we just had to get out, but... Did you, you know, there's so much happening and you're also capturing to tell the story and you're also helping normal civilians who were getting hurt, but... You know, you are in the middle of a war, quite obviously. Like, do you have your moments where you're like...

All right, might not come home today. That one was one of them. Because as we were extracting that guy, you might not be able to hear it, but like stuff was coming in. And I was just like, oh, we could, like, there was just this moment where I thought it in my mind. I was like, oh, I could die right now. But you have two options. It's like you're either, okay, I'm in a panic or let's go. Let's get this guy out of here as fast as possible.

So for me, that activated. You know, it's like, let's let's get it done. yeah i mean that's great too you guys did get them out there but like we i don't know it's it's impossible to know what you would feel like until you're in that moment right and knock on what i've never had to be in a moment like that that's insane but like are you is there so much adrenaline going that you're like at peace with it too where you're like you know what you know i i even on the video maybe it wasn't on that clip but on the way out i i was just like man what are we doing Like, this is war.

When you experience war like that, like, I think any politician that's pushing war, their kids should have somebody from their family should have to be involved because it changes the game. I'll take it a step farther. I think anyone with, like if we had to codified in law, anyone with a following of X number and above who's openly advocating for war, they should have to send a family member. Yeah. Or go. Yep.

Yeah, it's war. is hell, man. You hear that all the time, but it is. And when you see the human cost, thankfully that guy survived, he lost his leg. But when you see the human cost, like I've been to some of the hospitals out there and some of the stuff I've seen in Gaza as well, you just see all this. You're like, oh, man, this is like the last thing we want to do. We do not want war. And it's easy for all these politicians like Lindsey Graham, like, hey, buddy, I would love to see you put on a tactical vest. Oh, he's got to get the ball gag out of his mouth first.

I didn't say it. Listen. Hey, no, it's true. It's true. If you actually went to the front lines and you had to risk your life and you had to be in it, you at least, even if you still supported it, you would at least be a lot more humble. Like, the hubris would not be there. Like, you'd be like, damn, I have to make a decision that people are going to die.

Like, it's a tough one. I think you see our politicians. they're so far removed from that. Like, you look at George Washington, that homie was ripping. He was in it. You look at Theodore Roosevelt. I didn't know that about him.

He was in it. He was in Cuba, like storming trenches. I'm like, bro. Dude, Theodore Roosevelt, when he was a politician, can we check this, Dief? I want to make sure I'm not making this up. I'm pretty sure it was him. He was literally shot in an assassination attempt

and fucking finished his speech. He did. You're right. Yeah. You're right about that. He was about that life. Yeah, they were about that life. To some,

Credit. I mean, Trump at least got shot, but it was just a little less. You know, now just flip. I will give him that, though. Like, I had a lot of special forces guys. Like, dude, you find out who people are when the bullets are flying and that motherfucker, yeah. He was about it. He was about it. He got up and like, yeah, that was epic. That was epic. It was epic. It was epic. It was. You can hate on him, but like, that was gnarcy. 100%. When he got up, it was like, fight, fight. I was like, geez, bro. Insane. Yeah. Lindsay Graham has just been one that I've been abused. using on Twitter like crazy and I'm going to continue to do it because here's the thing he has been to the front lines and stuff there's yeah there's crazy video I don't know if you'll be able to find this deep there's an insane video of Lindsay Graham and I think John McCain talking to

Ukrainian soldiers in like 2014 through a translator surrounded by all these guys saying like stoking war being like we gotta kill the Russian we you guys are gonna save civilization or whatever so they go there and they propagandize people like we know many times the fucking guys going to Israel I think he should live there you know but it's like I just want to know what what kind of tapes they got on him yeah well and the and the thing is is you had a lot of politicians like going to Kiev but Kiev's different than Avdivka oh they're going to the presidential palace yeah in Kiev with Vogue And Trump or Putin purposely doesn't shoot rockets when, you know, our politicians are there. He doesn't want to risk anything. So he's not suicidal. He is not a suicidal guy. I will give Putin that. He, he, I think people when they look at someone they don't like especially, you know, leader or some country or something, they tend to throw out.

They tend to underestimate their mind. And that's a big mistake. Putin is not a dummy at all. No. They were doing some dumb stuff in the beginning, but that's just because of their old tactics. But they've learned. They've adopted. They're, they're dialed.

Yeah, I don't know how. I don't know how that all ends. I'm glad that they're at least kind of at the table. But in order to end it, what Russia wants in order to end it is just like laughable. So it's like, geez, it's like one step forward, two steps back. Sometimes it feels. There's got to be that middle ground. There's got to be that thing where you're giving up something.

you don't like but you're not giving up all they want and there's a clear red line now in the sand that it's like you do this you're done yeah because we didn't we didn't have that last time because the back and forth botched diplomacy on both sides for effectively 30 years at that point you know but when were you when were you in gaza how recent was that gaza was that gaza was 24 in march now how How did you get in there? I think. I had gotten in there through Egypt when the Egypt crossing was up. Now you can't go in through Egypt.

Israel's got it fully sealed off because there was a lot of like tunnels and stuff under Egypt. So when I went, I went into Rafa and then we kind of went up into like Dier, Abelah, like the middle Gaza, Gaza city. What was that like? I was just saying in the beginning it, before we just said, jumped on it was kind of like a game of like battleship because we were staying in a house that's on the deconfliction notice so like basically we would tell the you know there's like an organization that kind of coordinates things with the Israeli military and you have to tell them hey we've got humanitarian

aid workers here in this house so that they don't like send a missile and blow up the house but just days before the world central kitchen uh or after actually the world central kitchen workers had been killed. So, and they were driving in a humanitarian marked vehicle. It was just an accident, total accident. They were driving at night and they were mistaken and they all got killed. Rest in peace to all of them. And so yeah, it's just, it was, you know, the windows would rattle anytime there was like an explosion and you'd hear some gunfire because there's like gangs competing with each other. It was just like Wild West. But- Wait, gangs competing with each other? Yeah, there's all sorts of like inside Gaza. There's like warring

There's like families that are fighting each other well Israel's also attacking them. It's like It's messy. It's very messy But through you know one of the beautiful aspects of it was the you know Palestinian people were incredible like our Palestinian team They're amazing. They're incredible humans the vast majority of Palestinians do not support Hamas I think you know they just want peace just like most people in the world so it was really cool to like get to meet and interact with people like that and just i got to like walk down some of the streets and like meet a ton of people hand out food and water and blankets and stuff so it was a is a you know i felt very grateful to be able to do that were they

how do i want to ask this were they angry angry what was happening yeah big course it's kind of an obvious question but the reason i yeah we got yellow that a little bit from a couple people and I like totally understood you know just like a couple younger girls they were like really angry and they were like we don't want your aid you know like this is your fault this is your government's fault and that's heartbreaking to hear because it's like I don't support it if it was up to me I would not have allowed that at all and to hear that and then you're trying to help and it's like ah it's tough yeah the reason I ask is just because the you know 10 trillion dollar question is if it stopped.

I mean, it's technically stopped right now, but is it really like if it actually stopped and they were able to have, meaning the Palestinians were able to have their own place before even we get to the two country solution, which I've always believed in, you know, would they be able to forgive? Because it's a massive, massive murder that's occurred. Yeah. Yeah, I believe so. I don't I can't speak to everyone. I'm sure there's a lot of people that You know you wipe out 36 people to get one guy right like I know stories well, you know that that's happened and You create a lot of trauma, you know these wars create so much trauma and it's like it creates more Perpetual generational trauma and issues that you have to right solve down down the line And but yeah, I do believe a lot of them can move on past this and, you know, they just want peace.

That's it. I hope so. And I hope I see it in my lifetime because the whole situation is really sad. And unfortunately, you know, because we can see things and it's not like the old days where it was, you know, 50 years ago, there were three channels that told you whatever it was for the day and that was it. Now people can see things, including stuff that is not real on any side of any war. so that's always tough but like you know when you see that the intelligence in iran is so good that they knew where the where the fucking iatola was taking a shit through traffic lights but then the same israeli government claims that oh we have no idea what those tunnels are in gaza in our

fucking backyard that have been there for 20 years come on come on you're telling me you got to take out a city block of 185 people for the one guy because you don't have good enough intelligence I don't buy it. I don't buy it. And my buddy Eric Zooliger has an amazing quote that I cite all the time where he says, people are not their governments. And he's absolutely right about that. And I do try to really separate that.

I think, you know, I think sometimes we will demonize all over the world an entire group of people. You pick who it is because of something that's happening. But the reality is it's like, how do they do our cancer drugs? they kill everything and ideally we'd have cancer drugs that maybe could actually cure it by just attacking the disease. I think that's what we got to try to figure out as humanity too. Like how do you attack the disease of dictatorships and tyrannies and, you know, maniacal governments and stuff like that without discarding all the people too? Because that's what happens in these struggles and in this situation we've seen the people in Gaza discard it and it's horrible.

Yeah, absolutely. I mean, that's why for me, personally, I come back to, you know, my faith and Christ. I think, you know, Christ is king. And I feel, you know, when you look at that, that territory, Jesus, Yeshua was a Palestinian Jew. Like, he was both. And I feel like we have the answer. He was based. He was based before based exists. Yeah, he invented based. And I feel like we have the answer. And we have the answer of like, hey, we have something to unify, to follow. It's just these extremisms are, like you said, it's like, can we surgically remove those extremes on both sides and, you know, make sure if we are wielding our military, it's only used to do just that and then to protect people. And yeah, I'm with you,

man. I think the only pathway we can have is optimism and just trusting God and trying to live up to our, you know, our best potential because we can't control all these things. It's like it creates so much anxiety and, you know, angst if we're trying to control everything. So we just got to do our little part. I got some questions on that. I got to pee really bad. But let's stay right on this one. I got to pee too. All right. We'll be right back. Let's talk about Jesus. Please. No one heard what just happened before that. But we were talking about Jesus while we were still on the mics before we got back, we're back now. But you know, did you grow up like Christian or is this something you kind of came into later? Yeah, I grew up Christian, grew up Lutheran, but I had kind of

drifted a little bit away from the church, always resonated with Jesus and always prayed to Jesus, always felt a connection there, but organized religion, I don't know, I couldn't really find it when I was a kid. There was a lot of questions. I know you're very curious about like the biblical floods and the great flood. It was actually archaeology that brought me a big thing. It was like archaeology and then Ukraine. Those two things really brought me back to my faith. What a combo. Yeah, I know. So I'm like, I think it's unconventional. Like there's so many different pathways to get to the same truth. But the moment I started to learn a lot of the archaeology, I was like, oh, these aren't just like these weird, crazy mythological stories. Like there's

actually something to this. Maybe these are metaphors for things. things that happened or maybe, you know. So I started to look at it that way and so much of the archaeology checks out with the Bible, Expedition Bible, great YouTube channel I love. Give them some love, Expedition Bible. Expedition Bible, yeah, he goes and just actually links things that happen in the Bible. He's actually gone to Sodom and Gomorrah and shows the archaeology of these actual sites. and so there's just so much archaeological evidence where I'm like, oh, this is actually legit.

That's cool. I haven't seen this guy before. Yeah, he's got some great, like, that would be a cool, I'm definitely going to show my daughter all these videos for sure. Because, you know, I think like blind faith can only take you so far. Yeah. You know, when you have like concrete faith and you have something you can lean on, then it becomes real. So that kind of happened to be over time.

I think it's also cool, like the journey you talk about, with like finding it your own way, discovering it your own way too, rather than just adhering to like, they told me to kneel, now they told me to stand, and then do this prayer and whatever, and it's not, that's blind faith to me. It's like, all right, they just said, I got to do this. It's kind of like school where they're programming you a little bit. In some ways, the one thing we all have in common is that we're all going to die. And the second thing we all have in common is we technically don't know for sure what happens after. But while we're here on earth, it's very interesting about the human condition.

that one of our biggest obsessions is trying to figure out what happens when it's all done. And so, however, to me, like, however people come to peace with that, to be, like, humble here on earth and be a good person, regardless of how, you know, what type of creator they subscribe to or anything, I'm cool with it. Just don't use religion for wars and stuff like that, like some of the bad people do. And that's 99% of people use religion for good, you know? And obviously, you're one of them. I wish. How about yourself? Are you religious or? I'm not, I'm not an organized religion guy, similarly to you in that way. I'm very open-minded on everything, but I've always been very certain that there's a creator. I'm 100% on that personally. And so I just live my life

to where, you know, I'm imperfect, but I try to do the best I can and do the most good I can, because one day I'm going to have to answer for that especially. And it makes you happier to be a good person. I've seen that in practice over and over and over again. So, you know, I'm like at peace with that. But, you know, I just had it my friend Sonny, who's a Muslim, and he understands the whole religion inside and out. And like some of the core tenets of that that I think are great.

I have in a lot of Christians like yourself who go through all the different parts of that that gives them peace and can also point to evidence and things that prove parts of the religion or what the text is based on. and it's like, that's great, man. I think that's awesome. And like, it's clear to me that you have a really intense moral compass and it guides the work you do. Like, you're a brilliant creative mind, but you're attacking really difficult subjects because you're starting with what's good and what's evil.

All right. Let's stop the evil. Let's try to figure out what to do good. And that's really cool. Yeah. Well, thank you. I feel, you know, I try to carry conviction. with grace, where I do believe in this truth. And at the same time, like, one of my favorite parables

from the Bible is the parable of the Good Samaritan, where, you know, to me, it kind of like shows you, you know, someone's asking Jesus, like, how do you live? Like, what's the way? What's the, how do I get to heaven? And Jesus uses this parable where, you know, there's these kind of religious elites that walk by this guy that's injured on the road and they don't help him. And then there's this guy, no religious affiliation whatsoever, but he helps him, he clothes him, gives him some money, takes him to a place so he can recover. And Jesus is like, that's the way. And to me, that one sticks with me the most because it's, you know, and I've experienced that, you know, being in places like Pakistan, Syria, Gaza, Ukraine, it's like meeting these people that I have wildly different

life experiences from. But I'm sitting here, I'm breaking bread with them, you know, and are grateful and it's like cool to meet them. We don't even have to talk about religion. We don't even have to like disagree on stuff. We can just agree. We can just help each other. And I feel like that's there's something to it that's beyond words to me. I feel like it's so much more about that than it is okay, I got to do this ritual, this ritual, this ritual. And, you know, then I'll be saved. And I feel like that's kind of missing the point. It's about living life and going out there and helping people. Absolutely. Being of service. Beautiful said. Also, you pointed out an example earlier

and there's a lot of this to where if you try to be rigid about it and structure it like that you can turn people totally the opposite way like a horace man you're like oh your brother your 11 year old brother was swimming so he's on Sunday so he's in hell of course he was like fuck you for the rest of his life

you know what I mean there's a clip I don't know if we can find it deep but it literally makes me emotional every time I see it but there's a clip of Pope Francis who's visiting a country somewhere And a little boy was like so afraid to talk to him. And he like, he started like crying at the mic and he couldn't talk to him.

He was like, come here and made him come whisper in his ear and then asked his permission if he could share with the crowd in front of him what he had said. And so he, the little boy comes up and whispers in his ear. And he has some permission. He's like, okay, kid goes and sits down. And he said, so this kid just can't. to me and said that his father died last year and that he wasn't a believer. He wasn't a believer in Jesus, but that he was a really great guy. And he misses him like crazy. And he just, he was

such an example to everyone, did so much good for everybody. And he was so sad because he feels like he's been taught that his dad therefore is not in heaven. And it just, it kills me every time with that because you see this kid crying about it. And Pope Francis, to his credit, who's, like, in charge of what's a rigid, religious institution, if you will, which I give a lot of shit to all the time. So when they're right, you got to give him a ton of credit. He handled it so beautifully. He was like, of course, your father's in heaven.

He's like, if he did all the right things and was a good person, Do you think like a loving God would turn him away for being just because he didn't get all the way there while he was here in life? Like, therefore he's banned to hell. No, it's crazy. And it's nice to hear that from some, you know, traditional leadership structure because it shows you it's like we all take a shit the same way, bro. For lack of a better way, putting it, we're all just humans trying to figure it out. Doesn't matter what your bank account is. They're not going to bury you with it.

and you just got to be a good person when you're here. I truly, truly believe that. And that's how I judge people. It's like, are you someone who tries to do good? Great, you can hang out. If not, no. You know? Yeah, yeah, I love that, man.

I think that's a beautiful story. And, you know, there's so many people in the world right now that are just clamoring to these extremes. And I wish everyone could hear that message and get off the horse and have humility. You know, we're very isolated in the West in a lot of ways. Why do you think that is? The Industrial Revolution made life very comfortable in lots of safety nets, lots of, you know, we just, you know, you see it?

Like, I'm in Miami, and we have a lot of Cuban immigrants, and we have a lot of immigrants that are fleeing countries, and they are just so grateful to be here. And then you listen to some kids that are coming out of high school, and they're, like complaining they say oh this country is racist this country's horrible and you're like hey these are the same people what's the difference here well people that are dealing with real actual suffering and real persecution and you know they have a different take on what we have here this is pretty good you guys have it real good and i've seen that you know going to war zones going to you know pakistan was crazy seeing how people are living And I come home and I'm like kissing the ground.

I'm like, oh, my dishwasher. Like, oh, I love you. Because you just take those things for granted, you know. And I still do when I'm like home on things. I'm like a normal person. I still take things for granted. But yeah, we just are a little isolated over here. Perspective.

That's what you have. Yeah, I try to do drills with myself like at different points during the day. When I'm feeling a lack of motivation or something like that, I'll think of like a different era. Even like in at the end of my workout when I box and there's days where I'm like you know I'm gas from the lift and I'm like I don't want to do it I'm like man they had to train swords like four times a day like a thousand years ago. It's not that long ago. I think I can hit the bag and get through this. But it's hard sometimes because you're like well technically I can just leave. No one would no one would know. It's not for survival. Right. But like if you can put yourself there and be like you know what I don't have to train swords because I don't have to go out and kill someone to survive today. that's a W. So I get to do this for free. Let's fucking, you know what I mean? Like you, you got to get your mind there. That's a stupid example, but you know what I mean.

Absolutely. I'm my good friend Darren Olin. He has his philosophy is fatal conveniences. Like we have all of these. He wrote a book about it and it's all about, you know, all of the modern luxuries that are actually fatal conveniences. It's like it's made life great. I mean, think about tap water. Tap water is a perfect example. like, hey, we got water just coming straight out of the sink, but it's like, ooh, what's in that? Uh-huh. It's not good.

It's got the glyphosian in it. They're telling you, it's all fucked. Yeah, there are Darren Oly and Fatal Conveniences. That's going to go add to the list. I like that. Yeah, it's a great, it's great book. And yeah, I feel that's kind of what we're experiencing right now. We have just a level of prosperity that is just extremely high.

but we've taken it for granted. What were you doing in Pakistan? Pakistan were there were some floods. There were some major floods. And so we flew in and there was 35 million people that were made homeless. It's like some of the largest floods in over 2,000 years. When was it this? 2022, I believe.

So I'd kind of hot. We didn't hear any of that here. No. That one was crazy because, yeah, the appetite to, support Pakistan, you know, or those areas in America, it's like we could not raise any money. So we went there. We did our best. But yeah, there was like 35 million people that were homeless.

35 million. Yeah, they were living off the side of the streets. So that was crazy. It's just the amount of disease, the amount of, you know, I got, we all got hell of sick from that trip. Like I went down with almost like, it was 115 degrees. So it was like peak summer. peak summer i think it was in august is it like the humid kind of dude humid because all the flood water

it was like super humid oh duh fuck i should answer that question but but dude it was it was brutal it was brutal so that was another one of those moments where like and we're like canoeing through like shit water like you would like press the the like handle down and because it had flooded all these fields all the septic you know septic water was like up so everybody was just swimming in poop literally So there's like anybody who had a cut They were that was getting infected So we were like helping kid You know help try to help kids with their infections

And but at that scale how do you It's nuts You crazy So you see stuff like that Yeah it's happening No one's really talking about it So you come back to America You're like whoa

Holy cow This place is really good Your daughter's a year old Yeah Yeah Are there not war zones but are there things, you know, humanitarian-type missions that you do that you're thinking like, damn, when she's like 11, 12, 13, I'll take her with me.

100%. I think that'll be amazing for her. Yeah. Yeah, I want all my kids to be, you know, exposed to that stuff early. My dad took me down to Honduras in 2011, I think. And that made a pretty profound impact on me. What was going on? We were just there for like a church mission trip, but we were like bringing.

we were planting trees and we were installing some like water filtration systems and I just remember that was like very formative when I came back I was I was that was like my first experience I was like wow

okay I didn't know life was like that just down there so yeah about yourself have you ever been on any any type of like mission trip or something like this on a mission it's funny I don't think I've been on a mission

trip like that. Welcome to come along anytime if you want to come along to something. There's a few guys I've had on the show that do, and you're now one of them, that go to some pretty amazing places. Like, in all honesty, and I don't say this to be a fucking war tourist, but yeah, I would like to go, I don't want to have to go through what you saw right there. That sucks, but that's kind of a part of it.

Like, I would definitely like to go see some of this stuff that I have so many people in here talking about from a first person experience for myself. Because there's just a separation from it that you have sitting in a fucking armchair without arms, by the way, you know, that is like you can't fully know. And there's something to also being able to make a difference like you and help people there or like some of the special forces guys I know help people in other ways there too. That is like to be able to see that up close and, you know, pitch a, pitch a hand and appreciate what we have here.

it's like we got the best like for all of our problems with borders we got the best geography of all time because we're separated by oceans from most places and i say this all the time and unfortunately it's true it's like discounting the war of 1812 which was a while ago we never been invaded and it shows we've had a couple very tragic terrorist attacks but like as far as some fucking army coming in and saying yo this is ours now we don't understand that here And that luxury alone is like winning the lottery, just that being born here. Yeah. Try to explain that to people in Ukraine.

Explain that to people in Gaza. Yeah, that's where RFK gave this really cool speech when I think it was when he was running for president. And I don't remember it exactly verbatim, but he was saying something about how like his dream for people, when they hear about America is his dream is to for people to think about somebody who's digging a well. or building a school, not somebody in like combat fatigues with a M-16. Like he wants that to be the image of, uh, of an American. And I love that. I thought that that was, that gave me chills because it, that's my vision too. If we could, you know, inspire generations of people, we have it so good that instead of

complaining about things, let's go immerse ourselves in situations or places where we can't gain anything from helping these people, but let's help them anyway. They're in a bad situation. Let's just help them. No, no strings attached. Let's just go and try to do something. I think we have that privilege. Like, we all do in this country to some extent. Or if we can't go, we can support people who are going. But I feel if, man, if we were able to help more kids do that, I think it could make a serious positive impact. Yeah. Yeah. And I think it also, there's a, there's an old Connor McGregor quote before he like kind of lost it and was really cool but like he was like people get comfortable with a win they get comfortable with a win and when you get comfortable

with a win that's how you get a loss and i think we're very complacent in society and we've been we've been comfortable with wins for a long time and so if you could simulate what it's like to be in a scenario where you strictly lost by the geography where you're located and you could this more americans could viscerally understand that maybe you'd get up and train it 4 a.m. You know what I mean? Like in the in the game of life that is nation building maybe we would have more people get involved in trying to identify the problems in our system, which this has been a great tangent but we're going to get back to that in a minute, you know, with like our education system or with the foundation of what builds a society,

maybe more people would do something. I cited all the time but my buddy Tommy Jue has been mentioned a couple times today. He's got an amazing quote. He's like, I can't boil the ocean, but I can boil my pot. and enough people come together and boil their own pot, you're going to get somewhere with the temperature of that ocean. You know what I mean? Yeah. I see that with some of our partners, their organizations called Aerial Recovery Group, a lot of veterans. I'm seeing like really cool veteran communities that are getting, they're finding like a purpose outside of the military. and they're some of the most badass and awesome people, like their skill sets just unmatched. So, you know, there are some really great groups,

like aerial recovery group that they're ex-special forces guys. They go out into these disaster zones. They're doing search and recovery. So, but yeah, it's, I see whenever we do, like, boil our own pot. I don't know how it all comes back or how it all works. I don't care. it's I do see that like when you do empower somebody else it's it's just incredible what can happen it's and I've seen it you know in Ukraine it's like you saw people that were fleeing the country

and we're scared they had no idea what they were going to do they're fleeing a war zone and we said hey no no let's empower you how about you help us help your people and now it's like you see 3,000 of them work and it's like there's these horrible things that happen in the world but if we rise up and we empower each other, there's so much beauty that we can create. I agree. And that's what I try to focus on. It's like let's use, let's be alchemists.

Let's use these things that are, you know, negative or dark. And let's flip it. Let's activate. Let's start serving. Let's rise up. Because empowerment, like, I think empowerment beats therapy any day. I think empowerment is the greatest therapy to actually go out into the world.

Explain that a little more. I think if you're just sitting, ruminating on your past, ruminating on your problems, it's really not going to get you anywhere. I think if you are in, you're activating, you're in the world,

you're doing something, you're moving, you're taking action, healing happens, right? So that's why I'm big on empowerment. I think empowerment is, you know, that's the model. Why did they say

the greatest antidote to depression is physical activity because you're fucking doing something. The most simple thing, you're just moving your body. Right. But like I agree completely because what you're talking about is the next level. It's doing something but also having a greater purpose in it. Very, very cool. I agree completely. Our society's kind of baked in a level of narcissism.

Yes. And it's not necessarily our fault. It's just because the system was inherently created by narcissists. so it created this structure where you almost have to be narcissistic to succeed. I've never thought about that. If you really look at it, I mean, it's the opposite is the key to happiness. The key to happiness is to really become a nobody. It's the help.

It's to serve. It's to give without expectation of getting anything in return. and we kind of have created this whole reward system and ecosystem and social media landscape that it rewards the exact opposite yes and so do you now it's like you're a salmon swimming upstream it's how do you swim through that how do you make positive impact make change with all these incentives and structures i've never heard someone put it that way that is so perfect the system was created by elite narcissists and so they created a system and incentivizes more people who are narcissists to want to become elite to rise up through it.

Yeah. Oh, they're going to clip the fuck out of that one. And they should. That's really fucking good, man. What is, you know, what does your wife think of everything you do? Because obviously you go to dangerous places and you're married and a father, you know, it seems like she's pretty supportive of that. Super supportive.

Yeah. She told me from the beginning because she knew when we started dating, I was, I was like in Ukraine and going back and forth. And she was like, hey, I'm never going to get in the way of what you want to do. So like, yeah, I was in Jamaica after Hurricane Melissa for a month and down there and she was super supportive of that. It's, I hate being away from my daughter for that long. It's like, it's not, I don't, that's not ideal. So I'm trying to avoid doing that kind of stuff and I try not to, you know, go too crazy.

I will go back to God. Yeah, exactly. I'm trying to empower. Now I have an incentive to do that. Yeah, you can zoom in now. Yeah. Yeah. Because before I'm like, I want to go.

I'm going to stay there. I would have been there for a year. How'd you meet your wife? Miami. In Miami, she was, we were at a yoga, a yoga event with my friend. And she's a yoga instructor. So we were both there. I met her.

And it wasn't until like a year later, but we started hanging out and had a baby very soon after. That's really cool, man. That's really cool. You got the important things in life figured out. And I think that's like the, that's the compass that can then, you're like playing with house money with what you do. especially when you're doing great things too you're helping people which is really really cool well thanks but let let's go back to the to the school stuff because we left some stuff on the table there especially some of the things you went deep into in your documentary but you you started to

talk about it early on in the conversation we kind of got off it with the nea's creation that had if i remember correctly that was like the rockefellers funded that the rockefellers didn't fund the nea but they think of it the NEA kind of created the concrete foundation of the house and then the Rockefeller agenda came in and built on that foundation. Got it. So the NEA, horse man, they had really lay the groundwork. They created the infrastructure and then the industrial elite just kind of built upon that. But now the NEA has all kinds of outside influences. You said it has 2.8 million people in it as well. And so they're constantly basically like as a lobbying group, if you will, as a powerful union like that, lobbying to keep things the same.

And people, many teachers who are probably stuck in it who may question, let's say the top 10 priorities, they're not in a position to be heard. Yeah. So the NEA lobbied to create the Department of Education in 1980. and since the inception of the Department of Education, they spent $3 trillion, and yet we have some of the worst, historic lows with academics now and historic highs in mental health. So we've thrown over $3 trillion at this. It's made things worse. So you ask, okay, how?

Well, the NEA has a federal charter, which is really rare. It basically allows them to fund political super PACs. And to your mom's, you know, you said your mom rejected the union. So 36% of teachers are conservative, identifies conservative. Yet when you look at the NEA and the AFT, the two largest teachers unions, 98 and 99% of all of their funding goes to Democrats. So for me, I was like, huh, that's kind of strange. Why?

Because if you really, you know, wanted to benefit your members, you would at least mirror their values. So that's not the case. So the NDA is really from my, you know, understanding of it and from what I've seen, it's just a front. It's a money laundering operation. And it's a front for creating political activists. I think you saw that here in Columbia University where like kind of the apex of the academia, because so many people are just stuck in that academia loop. They graduate.

They go to teachers training school. And then they get right back into academia. They don't have a lot of this real world experience. And they create political activists. That's kind of the apex of what this system is creating now. It's creating people that are loud and are just using, you know, using their get, not everybody, obviously, but they are creating large swaths of people that are victims and they believe the way through this is politics. Good luck with that. Good luck with that, but that's, there's immense amount of funding and it's really dark.

money that's flowing into the N.A. And what do I mean by dark money? I mean there's, what I uncovered when I went undercover is the N.A is working with an organization called the pipeline fund. And the pipeline fund, it's owned and controlled by the 1630 fund or I forget 1630 org. I think it's 1630 fund. And that is registered in Washington, D.C. as a 501C4. Meaning they don't have to disclose their donors. We do know that the Open Society Foundation is one of their main donors. Yeah, they fund everything. We know that Bill Gates, he just in 2025, announced that he's pulling out of Arabella

management group, which owned the 1630 Fund and the Pipeline Fund. But what we do know is that this money that's coming in, we don't know where it's coming from, but we do know where it's going. and where it's going is it's going towards school board elections. So basically every district has a school board that's made up of five people. If you can control that school board, you can control what's taught in the school. You can control the entire curriculum and everything. So they're dumping hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars into winning local school boards in highly political contested areas.

So the NEA, for example, last election cycle won, I think like 77% of all races that they were involved in. So you have this dilemma where school of choice is winning. People are fed up with the teachers unions, but nobody really wants to become a school board member. It's kind of like a not very glamorous thing. So the N.EA has this locktight grip. And instead of saying, hey, let's innovate, let's welcome in change. They're like, let's double down.

So that's where it's a war. It is a war for the minds of kids right now. And the NIA has a ton of money. And when you look at parents, they don't have that same amount of money to play, but they have the money through their kid, right, through the attendance of where their kids going to school. Also, what percentage of society ends up voting on the spot that says school board and even knowing who they're voting for?

Yeah, it's, I'm not going to sit here and pretend that I can name a single person on a school board here. And I don't have kids yet, but I'll bet if I had kids and we were having this conversation, I'd be saying the same thing, unfortunately. And even if we don't have kids in the public school, we still have 82% of this country goes to public schools. 100%. So this is where like the worldview of the vast majority of our country is formed. And it's dictated and controlled by the school boards, which are dictating and controlled by the teachers unions.

Which is funded by. Which is funded by Open Society Foundation, Rockefellers. It's funded by, yeah, just the Gill Foundation, John Stryker. I mean, there's just so much money that is flowing within this, this entity. So they're very strong and they're not going to, they're not going to relinquish their grip. They're going to double down. So unfortunately, that means public school could continue to get a bit worse because they're, the policies that they're implementing. Again, like the whole SOGI, you know, agenda, that's an 80-20 issue.

80% of people don't agree with it or side with it. Yeah, I mean, truth of life on the other 20, too. Right. Jesus Christ, man. I mean, it's just hard not to think about the layers to it here and what the obvious, I guess, objectives are for these people that run society. It's like, if I wanted to destroy a society from within, I would start with the newest generation being born. I would surreptitiously behind the scenes through dark clouded money, buy off all the school boards to make sure that I got my agenda through. I would make sure that that agenda included victimization, self-victimization, enforcing depression upon the kids to questioning their fucking gender when they're 11.

Let's say I wanted to control the population and destroy society from within. I would definitely want them doing that. I would have them removed from their parents so there couldn't be individualism at home. and then I would give them all these standardized tests that are total bullshit that don't really make them smarter, lack the ability to build up their interpersonal skills, and make sure that it was all for one final goal. Emphasis on the word final, because it's like a joke, and that is you got to get into college. And then I'd have a bunch of 17-year-olds sign their page where it says you've got to pay fucking 250 grand. By the way, the rate on this is whatever, 7-8%.

It's not forgivable either. and you're going to go get a gender studies degree from bumble fuck university because that's what's important, but make sure you smoke and drink while you're there and maybe lose your virginity. And then they get out and you're like, by the way, you're in the real world now and we're AIing away a bunch of jobs. Don't worry about it. That education didn't matter. Now you can't fucking pay your bills and you struggle to get relationships because you can't pay your bills and you're feeling a certain type of way about that. You're stuck on your fucking phone that we gave you all day to make sure that your attention is on that and not on improving yourself.

And by the way, you're still going to be in debt up to your eyeballs 30 years from now while all the boomers bought a house for like $10,000 that's worth $2 million now. And you're fucked. And they're the first generation that actually doesn't want the generation after them to do better even if they don't realize it because they've been programmed to do that. And now you're going to be sitting in your room when you're 40 years old. And you know what? Maybe just maybe just take yourself out. Maybe at that point there's nothing left to live for it. Like if I were programming that child coming out of the womb right there before they even had a chance to win in the world.

that's what I would do. That was like the side effects on a pharmaceutical commercial right there. That was public school. That's it. Yeah, man. That's if the devil is real, that would be a textbook. That would be the playbook right there, for sure. And I feel like we are seeing that unfold.

If you look at, you know, George Soros, I'm pretty sure he's an atheist. Pretty sure he's a self-proclaimed atheist. I don't know what he is. This is a terrible guy. Well, you look at a lot of. the behavior you know that's where i get to to you know there's got to be some level of truth here because or else we drift into this moral inversion and i believe that's kind of what we're living through is moral you know if you can trick people from knowing what's up and down what's right

from wrong what's male from female you confuse them then they nothing's good or bad everything just is and there's some you know know, spiritual kind of beauty to that as an ideal of, hey, there's no good or evil. But in this world that we live in, it's insane if you can't call good, good and evil evil. And that's a lot of these people. They just don't believe in God. They deny God and they actually find joy in attacking anything that is pushing traditional family values. You know, when I was in undercover in the NEA, they talked about this term that I had never heard before, but it's called heterosexist.

Heterosexism, which is anything that affirms traditional gender norms is heterosexist. So girls as cheerleaders, that's heterosexist. Heterosexism. Heterosexism. That's why the Vikings got fucking male cheerleaders now. Yeah.

So it's anything to attack those traditional values, those traditional norms. And yeah, we're seeing the NDA pumping hundreds of millions of dollars and all these other political orgs pumping hundreds of millions of dollars into these agendas. So it's concerning. So you're the father of a daughter. She's one year old. One year old. So she got her whole life in front of her.

If she told you that she had a dream to be president of the United States one day, would you support that as a father? Absolutely. Right. Yeah. Okay. Absolutely. If she told you that she had a dream of founding her own business and, you know, innovating whatever it is, would you support her as a father? Absolutely.

Great. I agree. So I think those things are great. I think everyone, regardless of gender, should be able to pursue those things. I do think by the percentages and by biology that is evolutionarily wired into us, though, we have sold women a complete lie and told them that they have to go out into the corporate world. they have to do this busy bee job and pay their bills and you know be the big city girl or whatever and all that and we have de-emphasized the most important job that all women will ever have which is that they carry children and bring them into this world and like i speak as someone who had an amazing mom like we'll give the ultimate sacrifices to be the parent of that child

I saw this article the other day from some fucking magazine with a New Yorker. Yeah, the cut where the title was something, can we pull it up deep? It made me sick. It was like, moms with regret. Why more women are regretting having children and speaking out about it, which is just total fucking propaganda. Total propaganda. And you know what's funny? I'm not going to say the social media platform, but there was a social media platform where the top comment,

was some woman agreeing with it. And when I clicked it, she was a childless mid-30s teacher in elementary school. And I was like, chef's kiss right there. Having kids is extraordinarily challenging. I mean, it is the hardest thing for sure that I've ever done. And I'm the guy.

I get the ability to leave the house. My wife stays at home. She's with our daughter right now. it is a absolutely full-time job at least with one person probably with multiple people but you see that even in like new york city they're pushing in california they're pushing free preschool right there it's like they want to just offer preschool for everyone and so it's like we're going down this path of no let the government take care of your kids earlier and earlier and earlier we'll take over we'll help you out so there's all these incentives to go that road to go the comfortable path and that's where you mean you look at the biblical order where god is at the top the man is is like the provider the protector and the woman is the nurturer and it's not that the man is better than the woman that's not what these roles are for right that's what a lot of the feminist movements tried to propagandize against it's a wife being submissive to the husband is that's that's the

order that's going to allow the family to flourish right because when you empower the husband, and when you support him, he can go out and provide and protect. And that's how we went about things. In the beginning of this country, that's how we went about things all the way up until 1852 when we put that first compulsory schooling law and made that illegal. And the crazy part is, is, you know, Horace Mann will go and tell, you can look at the history books. He'll say, oh, parents, they couldn't educate. They're not smart. They don't have the talents. They don't have the talents, they don't have the time, blah, blah, blah. He would say all these things, but you looked at literacy rates, 98% of boys in New England were literate before compulsory schooling. Now, the caveat

is 50% of women were literate, and only 10% of blacks were literate. But here's the thing. Those are still the highest literacy rates at that time out of anywhere in the world. This is before compulsory schooling. This is just decentralized education. And the, at, As soon as slavery had ended, literacy rates amongst black populations skyrocketed. And by 1910, 70% of African Americans were literate. So it shows that, and they didn't have access to the public school system. So it shows that, no, we did, you know, it was a sciop that we were made to believe that we were dumb before this system. That's complete BS.

And actually, you know, that rugged individualism, it was alive and well because you had kids. that were probably 11, 12 year old boys, mainly going and getting an apprenticeship with their dad or, you know, working, you know, getting like actual real world experience and not being bogged down by a bunch of debt and all of these things. I don't know if society was worse before all this, you know. I mean, it was definitely less comfortable. I'm not saying we should go back to the 1800s, but we can pull some of these these chapters out and maybe reevalued. them. Yeah, it's like the Bruce Lee quote. I say all the time, take what's good, discard what's bad. Don't discard the good too. It's throwing the baby out with the bathwater. And you talk about it and you're 100% right. The hardest job anyone will ever have is to be a great parent and it's a full time job in every way. But is it not the most rewarding thing you've ever been a part of? It's the most rewarding. There's no words that can even be expressed to explain what I felt when I saw my daughter be born when I saw her come in. into this world. And so to see the crisis that we have and to see, you know, like, there was like

some musical artists who she was like Brett. The one bragging about the abortion that she had, that the baby was like in her belly on the stage. Was that it? Oh, no. I thought, sorry. I jumped the gun. There was another cringe one. I didn't hear about this one. There was a woman. I forget. She's a blonde singer, but she had, there's a photo and she had posted on her Instagram and said, oh, I actually I didn't know at the time but I had my baby here and oh, they got to hear me

perform the song before I killed them before I aborted them. And it was like this bragging moment of it and I think you look, it's like, it's like 60 or 70 million people are, you know, babies are killed every year in the world.

Isn't it something like that? So. Sarah Larson under fire after joke about getting abortion goes viral. The controversy began earlier this week when a TikTok user shared a video from one of Larson's recent concerts filmed during her performance of Midnight Sun. In a caption overlaid on the clip, the fan wrote that she had not realized she was pregnant at the time of the show. And that at least my baby got to...

So it wasn't Zara, it was the fan. At least my baby got to hear Midnight's Son before I aborted it. Oh, I see. Okay. Okay, so to be clear, wasn't Zara. Oh, okay. That's good. Her under the bus.

It was the fan, but that's like... That's the culture, you know? That's the culture that we're, you know, breeding amongst women. It's heartbreaking. When you kill hope in society in an early age, you make everything backwards. And I see that with people. And like, I hear the optimism in your voice. I'm an optimist, too.

There's some things you get a little cynical about, and I try to put. pull myself out of that because it's like, you know, we can try to fix certain things. And like I can use my little platform here to try to help do that. You can keep making documentaries to do that. And then hopefully other people can also agree with some of the basic themes that we should all be able to agree on. This isn't hard. But I don't think kids should be a financial decision. I don't think being a stay-at-home mom should be demonized at all.

I look, I can't afford a house yet, but I'm looking forward to having a wife that like she don't got to work. You know what I mean? If she wants to, fine. Like, that's, that's on her. But like, I want her to have the option of, like, we have kids. You get to stay home and, and raise the kids and whatever you need. You know what I mean? I think that's like the biggest win in modern society. If you can have that structure, that is the win. It is. If you can, if your wife can stay at home and, you know, it's still, when I get home, it's like, you still got to help around the house and help. you know, take care of the baby, let your wife have some space. I mean, it's, it's full on, but it's so beautiful, man. It's the best. That's awesome. Just no words. I'm excited for you to have, you want to have like a big family or?

I do. Yeah. The future Mrs. Julian's going to have to have a little say in that for sure. But, you know. Yeah, we're taking it one at a time. Yeah. I feel like that's the, and that is the thing. Like if I can grow this and, you know, get it to a point where I don't have to worry about a

fucking dinner bill or something like that. I mean, that's my like barometer in life. If I can take people out to dinner and not worry about us what we're getting, like I've won, you know? And I think that that'll probably then extend to like my kids in their education, right? At damn what I want to set up trust funds and shit for them. I don't believe in any of that. Like they got to find their own way.

But like on the way there, like invest in their education and make sure they got a roof over their head and my wife can have everything that that she needs to be able to help make that happen. And the rest of it, like, we'll figure it out as we go. I don't think you know how you're going to do things until you're in it. I'm sure you can relate to that. It's like coming at you a mile a minute and you got to adjust. So I don't I don't like to overthink like I'll definitely do this or I'll be like that. There's certain themes I'm like I feel like that's how I'll be and we'll figure it out as we get done. Yeah. We have the luxury of there's like I've been working on this project for 10 years because I was so passionate about education. So I'm grateful that I did that. So going into now having a daughter. I'm like, oh, I'm like way more educated on how I'm going to do this. So we have that luxury of kind of, that's why it's important to really think about this and understand it. You know, if you're going to have kids or if you already have kids, it's just, it's so empowering to know the origins of education, to know what solutions exist. You know, a big thing right now, too,

is ESA accounts. ESA. Educational savings accounts. So I think there's about 18 states, if I'm not correct. If I'm not mistaken, maybe it's 11 of the ESA states. But there's states that, and this is a growing movement, is you can, that $20,000 that I was talking about per kid, in certain states, you can take a bit of that money and use it for homeschooling. So I know Arizona's one, Tennessee is one. There's a list of all the different states. So you can actually reclaim some of that money that is as our tax money from our property taxes, from our, you know, all these taxes and use it to educate your kids.

So that's growing. I think you're going to have the luxury of having access to that depending on what state you're in. So hopefully this continues to grow, you know, hopefully school of choice continues to grow. And like let's support school of choice. Let's support, you know, all of these different initiatives. Well, I think it also helps. Like you're a brilliant artist and you've been doing a lot. a lot of different content for many, many years.

So when you can package things the way you package this documentary, which again, link down below, everyone go check it out at the recess. It's like 90 minutes long. It goes by very quickly. You did a great job. Like if you can keep doing work like that or put it also in bit size pieces for people just to like move society to get educated on education 10%. That can make a big difference.

And, you know, I'm really grateful you came here to break it down for us today, man. Thanks for having me. Thanks for popping in. It's been an honor, man. All right. So everyone go check out the documentary. I'm sure we will have Spencer back in the future. This is going to be fun.

All right, brother. Big love, bro. Thanks for coming, Andreas. Everybody else, you know what it is? Give them a thought. Get back to me. Peace. What's up, guys?

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