Julian Dorey Podcast - #417 - New Evidence Epstein ESCAPED & JP Morgan Bombshell REACTION | Julian Dorey

Episode Date: May 2, 2026

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There's effectively an 8x4 room on the other side of that. Wow, that you can get into. And what's up, everybody? Welcome back to another episode of the Julian Dory podcast. I am Julian Dory. And I'm Joey Dief. How you done?

How you done? Now, unfortunately, we have to start off this podcast with some very somber news. Joey Dief is officially leaving the show. It turns out that J.P. Morgan did accept his application in record time. I fully understand why he would apply for that as a single. male. Yes, yes. And I need, I need a living that's going to set me up for life. And they heard of my background and qualifications and I threw my hat in the ring. That's right. A lot of hats in the ring yesterday actually. Yes. I mean, Dief has, he's got a good resume as being a very,

what'd you call it like a useful, what's it? There's Dom sub and you're like a male sub. Yeah, it was a useful. A useful pleasure sub. That's right. And I was like, Like, yeah, I mean, I think that's good. So, yes, sign me up. So that's like when the ladies, like, make you wear like a mask and like tight it. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, like ball gags and stuff. Hey, whatever you're into, we don't judge around here. Yeah, got the job. Yeah. We'll get to that. We are going to discuss our, our dear friend, Lorna, over at J.P. Morgan, who is innocent.

Absolutely innocent. And we're going to go through all that as well. We like to have fun around here. but we'll also get to a little bit of Erica Kirk stuff. We have to do it. There was a tweet I put out that also went pretty viral this week that I think kind of summed it up well. So I'll go through some of that. And Spirit Airlines, Joe, taken a header. Favorite Airlines. You hate to see it. What happened? Bankruptcy. What am I going to do about my credit card? I have a spirit for words card. I don't know. I don't know. I've flown a lot of spirit in my business. No cap. Yeah, I mean, it's the funest flight, the most fun flight. Yes. Your knees get a lot of discipline from them, you know? Very, well, yeah.

Very tight in there. Yeah, Motown music. Yeah. Do you ever raw dog, a spirit flight? I feel like you kind of have to. Yeah. They don't have, they don't have screens. There's no screens or anything, but like no headphones, just stare forward and get

through like a two and a half hour flight to Marl Beach. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, good stuff. Yeah. It's character building. It's good for you. Yes. very good for you so we'll get to that there's also an interesting report that dropped

analyzing a state department cable that went out very under the radar if we get to the if we don't get that today i will cover that next week but we are going to lead off this episode with what has been long promise which is the full behind the scenes investigation that i participated in with discovery channel about geoffrey epstein's death because that episode did air on Discovery Channel the other day. I see loads of DMs of people asking me where you can watch it. You can watch it on YouTube TV if you have that. The show is called conspiracies and cover-ups. I believe it was episode 5. It's a 41-minute episode, kind of show stuff, and I'm going to give you all the color commentary of what it didn't show. We're on that in a second. But it'll eventually

be on HBO Max as well. So for those of you who are unfamiliar, I actually posted an Instagram video back in January, basically asking all of you or everyone who follows me on Instagram at Julian D. D. Dory, by the way, if you don't follow me over there, whether or not I should do what I was invited to do with Discovery Channel with Andy Bustamante. So for people who don't know Andy Bustamante, he is the formerly now long, curly haired CIA guy. He has chopped off all the hair, which from a PR perspective, Andy, big mistake. But anyway, I go way back with Andy. with respect to my show, he was back on episode 97, 107, 150, 224, 299, and 334, I believe. And then we also did some crossovers with Danny Jones on, I think that was Concrete 166 and

Concrete. And then Danny Jones, when he changed the name to it, I want to say 206 as well. So I've probably been on camera with the guy on air 24 hours over time. Obviously, he and I have some intense disagreements on certain worldviews. I have always maintained publicly and privately to him. He's a very good sport about it that I have no doubt he is still associated with CIA. Even if it's indirectly, I don't think you ever leave in some ways. And he's certainly no John Kiriaku with respect to being a dissident to CIA. Hey guys, if you're not following me on Spotify, please hit that follow button and leave a five-star

review. They're both a huge help. Thank you. Nonetheless, the reason I asked publicly on Instagram what you guys thought and put a poll out as to whether or not I should do this is because I've never done traditional TV before and I get very concerned about how stuff gets cut up if I could get taken out of context and you know not for nothing but in the past you know I've had some horror stories told on my podcast by various people over the years about some things that Discovery Channel has done

and that gave me a lot of pause so when I asked you when I explained the opportunity and and asked you guys on Instagram whether or not I should do it. The poll was almost about 80, 20 that I should do it. The 20% who said I shouldn't were very loud, and I fully understand why. But my friend Sean actually summed up a response that I got from a few different people the best that kind of put me over the top with like, all right, let's do it. He was like, hey, do it. You've talked about it publicly beforehand.

Give people a heads up that you're doing it, which is why I've done that in previous episodes. and then once it comes out, if there's things you have a problem with, you know, you can clear the record and explain everything that happened. I want to start off by saying, you know, it's unfortunate that they have to edit down into 41 minutes, an investigation that clearly was about probably 18 hours worth of work, which was more than just me on there, by the way. I'll get to that in a minute. But like, you know, I don't think they really took stuff out of context or anything. I thought they did as good a job as they could do. I still want to watch it again to take like closer notes. But as far as like the team, first of all, the production team I worked with out there,

which is not Discovery Channel, I forget the name of it. But the whole team was fucking awesome. Andy's team was amazing. I'll get to like what that looked like and everything. But they put the edit together and the Discovery Channel signs off on it. And it came out fine. That said, when we were there that day, my day alone was an eight-hour shoot. And when you combine all the other experts I'll talk about, Andy, again, probably filmed about 18 hours worth of content.

He and I, you know, we know how independent, we come from the independent media world, so we know how that works. And TV is a whole different beast that he has a little more familiarity with now. And we were just looking at each other like, fuck, man. How the hell are you going to knock this down? Because there are so many intricate things in this investigation. effectively, like just that day alone I was there, we recorded two documentary full-length podcasts that really needed all the details and breathing because it was very free-flowing. The only cuts we had, like takes, if you will, were when my fucking New Jersey ass went a little

too far and I'd be like, you know, and I was fucking retired. I'm like, oh, I'm sorry, this is TV, like shit like that. Let me say that again. That was really dumb, you know, stuff like that. And then the other example would be once we would finish filming something. If we were looking through pages, they'd be like, all right, now we're going to come behind with the cameras. You don't have to say anything. Just scroll through the same pages you were with your finger for B-roll.

The rest of it was literally cameras rolling. Everybody goes. To explain what we investigated in detail in four segments worked around commercials is extremely difficult. because the investigation was related to Epstein's death. Now, here's the full context once I decided to do it. Andy had asked me to do this. And then once we went out and put the poll and everyone was like, do it, I said, okay, I'll do it. And his set is out in Colorado.

So I flew out there the last weekend in February, got in there on a Friday night, went to bed, got up to take a piss at about 3.30, maybe 4 a.m. and Colorado time and something inside me was like why do I feel like we invaded Iran Wow Yeah My dumb ass never does this But I took my phone out

Because I'm like I just want to make sure we didn't do it And voila We had invaded Iran So I didn't sleep the rest of the night I was beside myself about it So I'm like fucking exhausted It's a 715 am car ride out of their call to go to set

So I'm like oh shit So I go to set and Andy has a buddy who owns like a liquor store out in Colorado and below the liquor store where they got all the wine and and liquor and like literally exactly literally stored. It's this almost speak easy prohibition kind of vibe. And in the back of it, he and the team set up this like elaborate set for this show that he's doing, which I believe has eight total episodes. in the first season, this was episode five. It was really fucking cool. I was very, very impressed. And so, Andy had never told me the context of what we would be discussing as it relates to Epstein.

He had only told me, like, we're going to look at the Epstein case. And he said, I want to do it like your podcast, which is I never know what the fuck I'm going to talk about when I go in there. Why don't I do that on you now? And we'll just discuss the case. And I'll tell you when you get here what we're actually going to be looking into. So I said, fine. And so we start off with an over an hour long recording of just the two of us sitting on set and Andy effectively interviewing me all about the case. And it was, I ain't going to lie.

Like, we've done so much content together that like obviously the chemistry is great, but it was fire. Like we went through so many different ends and loops and holes of the case. And I was also shocked at Mr. CIA Langley himself, Andy Booster Montefi. exploring a few things. Yeah. Right? During this conversation, which in my head,

you know, because I always fuck with Andy and like he's a good sport about it. But I'm like looking at him and I'm looking at the film crew. I'm breaking the fourth wall like every five minutes like looking at the camera like,

you hear this guy? Yeah, what's the angle here? What's he doing? He used to deny all this. Yeah. But we were going through all these things and at the end they go, all right, rap. That's great.

Quick break. And then we'll do like, the next segment, the next thing. And the crew was like, fuck, it's such a shame. We're only going to use like 30 seconds of that. That was awesome. I'm like, oh, God damn it. You're only used 30 seconds? They're like, yeah, man. That's just the exposition. That's biz. That's biz. That's hardcore biz. But at the very end, before we wrapped, that was when he told me what we would be investigating. He looks at me and he goes, said something along the lines of, yeah, there's just so much here with this case.

And as I told you before you came, I didn't want to specifically go through what I had decided to investigate for this episode so that you could kind of be surprised. But after looking at everything, I thought the best decision that I could make to reexamine something about this case would be investigating the death of Jeffrey Epstein himself. And at that moment, in my head, I kind of went, really? like this is the most stereotypical one. Like he didn't commit suicide. Like what?

Can't we investigate something? All right, whatever. But then he says, now if you wouldn't mind, Joanne, I'd like you to look to your right. So I turn over to the right and there's a giant door with two, like a prison door

with two caution tape signs over it. And actually, can you pull up Andy's Instagram? Yeah. Defe because he has a picture of it on there. And I immediately like kind of go, wow, that looks familiar. And he goes, behind that door is a place that I'm going to take you in a few minutes after this next break. And effectively what it is is Jeffrey Epstein's cell. And I was like, what?

And he goes, we rebuilt Jeffrey Epstein's cell based on all the data of what it actually looked like down to the detail, including the pill bottles on the bed. And now I'm like looking at the crew of. like, oh shit, here we go. Like, okay, maybe I underestimated this a little bit. So we take a quick break. We come back down and he's like, all right, you ready to go? I'm like, yeah. Now, let me give a little exposition on the show. Okay, so you guys have context on what it was for people who haven't seen it. The way the show ended up coming out was there were one, two, three, I think it was four segments. The first segment was a little intro that showed me and Andy and then Andy talking on remote interviews with Dr. G reacts from YouTube who's done some

great work on this case where Dr. G walks him through the footage that we do have from outside the cell that night and questions about the government's idea of what exactly happened. And then there's a segment where Andy, and this was the weekend before I was there, where Andy flies in Bill Mercy, I believe his name is, who was Jeffrey Epstein's suicide watch buddy. Like he was the inmate who was assigned to watch Jeffrey while he was on suicide watch and became friends with him. Believe it or not, while he was in prison there. Effectively, like Bill Mercy was in jail for a year and a day at MCC for some tax evasion or something. He had never been like a convict or anything like that.

But they decided to put him here. and so he was given that role and bill mercy has always maintained that geoffrey epstein was highly depressed and absolutely committed suicide you know and that's people hear that they're like what come on but he said epstein would talk about how depressed he was yada yada yada yada or whatever and so andy had brought him in the weekend before sat him down just like he did with me for an hour got the guy to say all the things that he said before, which is like, for example, he's, he said that Jeffrey would be talking with him and then he'd be like, you know what, Billy, I'm tired and he would lay back and fall asleep right away. Yeah, I remember that. But allegedly, this is someone who's

supposed to be suffering from sleep apnea and who's extremely stressed, but he could fall asleep right away. The one thing he said that I found interesting too is he's like, he was a really like regular nobody type guy which like when you when you look at all the pictures and all like he you think this guy thinks he's on top of the war it was just very that was very interesting to me yeah he was basically saying he wasn't entitled yeah exactly like he was very like down to earth and salt of the earth yes that's weird and he said obviously he had this disgusting other side to him but i never saw that when i was with him which was fascinating for him to say that but the reason andy wanted him to repeat some of these things is because it's like depressed, suicide, sleep apnea,

but he can sleep right. Like, there's things that weren't clocking there. And there were some other details as well. And some of them I'm not remembering. So I don't want to say. But once Andy had talked to him and Bill said on camera, yeah, he absolutely committed suicide. He did the same thing to Bill where, or his name was Billy Mercy. Yeah, yeah. He did the same thing to Billy Mercy where he said, here's his cell back here and you were there. So you'll be able to tell us how. how good a job we did rebuilding it. Takes Bill into the cell and Bill was like, this is perfect.

It's exactly what his cell was. And so here's the first place where I want to say there was a difference with how they had to do the final edit on the show versus what I heard. Once Bill looked at the cell on the show and they can only show like 60 seconds worth of Andy walking them through things in the cell. When in reality he was probably standing

in the cell with Andy for like an hour. and a half going through every detail. Jeez. But the wrap-up of that segment is Billy Mercy saying something on camera like, well, I have to admit, there are some new questions I have now. You've certainly opened the door to some new possibilities.

What I heard is that he basically walked out of there, shook. Like, everything that he thought was not what it was. That is the takeaway that other people had there. And I think that's important to be able to say, again, it's tough for them to like edit some things down to camera. Yeah, that's, I mean, that's Ralph. That's a lot of footage to edit down. So then he brought in, he also brought in in that segment in New York Post reporter quickly on some background on Zoom to go through. I forget what it was.

A couple things involved with what happened in the cell that night. and then it got to our segment. So I told you what we did when we first got there and then the fact that we went into the cell. Now, we spent a long time in the cell. And what made the cut there is very, very limited. When I went in there, my thought was that, oh, wow, Andy's actually going to open up

to the possibility that this guy was murdered. What I didn't expect was that it was going to go well beyond that. So we get in there. You can see a screenshot of it right here. This is from the episode. This was one of the camera angles. And I was stunned at how much it looked the same. And Andy had, you can see me holding papers right there.

Oh, do we got to plug that in? All right. So it's going to be up on the screen in the second. You're going to see the cell in one second. And you're going to see me holding papers, which were all these shots. of inside the cell from every angle so we can see it. So now it's up on the screen right here. You can see the pill bottles up top, the windows.

They had the walls built perfectly and everything. We're going to get to the L in the wall in a second. And so Andy also had outside, and he told me this right before we walked in, every single available government report from any agency or bureau that was disseminated to the public in full binder form right there for us to review. which he had done an extensive review on and found all kinds of things that lacked commonalities, most of which actually almost none of that segment made the cut. Because when we left the, when we left the cell, we went outside and he and I broke,

compared documents and broke down pages for a couple hours. And it was like, whoa. So as a quick preview, one of the things that we discussed, there is something that has now been discussed a lot in public that he was. able to confirm through the FBI report, the DOJ report, and some of the exhibits listed within in some cases that contradicted each other, but it was unanimous that Jeffrey Epstein had testified in a deposition that he did not have a pancreas, but in the autopsy, they found a pancreas. Hey guys, I said pancreas. I meant to say prostate. Sorry, ignore that as I keep saying pancreas here.

and discussed that it was normal pancreas. That's not good. It's total. And I could see Andy like, even before we got outside the cell, when we were still in the cell going through all the exercises, some of which I don't think he went through with Billy Mercy because I started throwing out other possibilities who was like, oh, let's try that. You know, I could see him. How do I explain this? like Andy if you know him or if you at least if you've seen a lot of content of him he is this fucking annoyingly black and white kind of guy just like oh this is what it is you can show him

the worst thing ever he's like wow it sucks you know he doesn't get here or here like you know he'll get mad at stuff when he's trying to make a point and he feels like he's right and you're telling him you're fucking wrong but he doesn't react to things like a lot of us do yeah he's a He's a zero one guy. Yeah. But I could see he was perplexed. Like what the fuck is going on here? And so when we were in the cell, in the Discovery Channel cut, they had like the one line.

This was the one disappointing part where I was discussing like, oh, the will to stay there if your feet are on the ground and let yourself hang. You know, that doesn't make any sense. But that's just one possibility. The way these guys can commit. suicide off the bed are numerous. And again, we're discussing this in an educational manner. This is for YouTube because we've been having some serious monetization problems on YouTube behind the scenes. I don't like talking about that publicly, but I have to say things like this. Everything we're discussing here is based on a public case with government available data.

There is nothing here related to how to do anything or anything like that that is not purely for educational purposes. And obviously we do not condone any actions. that Jeffrey Epstein may or may not have taken. Sorry, I got to do that, people. But there's two ends of the bed. If we can pull that up again, Beef. And, you know, Andy had all the bed sheets, the orange bed sheets, like to a T,

what they had been in there and everything he had access to, which was fucking crazy, by the way. I mean, this is insane, dude. That he had access to all that stuff. You know, and we determined, based on the government reports, they had said that he did the deed on the right side, right behind Andy right there. Can we pull that up? Yep. It's up. It's up. So he did the deed on the right

side right there. And there was some argument, I don't have the reports in front of me, whereas like, well, did he do it lower or higher? We looked at every possibility. And the most, the possibility that a human being could get themselves to do without then having to fight the will of life would require Jeffrey Epstein in this case to jump in a way where he breaks his neck immediately so that he cannot fight back. And so the best way to do that based on the tools he had and how the cell was found was to basically use that orange strand that you see right behind Bustamante hanging from the ledge that was through a keyhole,

sit up on the edge of the bed up there, tied around his neck, get into a crouch position, and with that very small, he had it down to the inch, how long that thing was, would that very small strand be able to leap far enough

to not hit his head on the bed because there were no contusions on the back of his head. That was a key part of the report, meaning he would have had to jump out. Yeah, wow. And not hit his head.

hit his head. And so Andy and I did that, but he had a test on me too, but that was exactly six foot, two scale, Jeffrey Epstein's size. I said, I looked at Andy and I brought up the contusion part and I said, Andy, LeBron James couldn't make that jump. Like look at the length of the, of the, of the bed sheet, look at where he's sitting, even if he got to, and this is a 60-something-year-old man, even if he got down into a fully athletic position and then made the leap from like this form out and a head, his head will whip back and it will hit 100% basically like a raised edge metal edge of the bed without a doubt. And Andy then, dude, he was being so aggressive with the dummy. Yeah, dude, I was like, that was cracking up. Yeah, but like, you didn't see the test.

When he was doing the test, I was like, they had a, they had a cameraman, do we have camera We don't. But they had a cameraman in the corner behind that wall right there. Yeah. And I was just standing there, like, looking at the cameraman while he's doing this. Like, why does he look like he's done this a lot before with a fucking body? He was playing. He was like, so if I took it like this,

just like watch him. And it's not like watching a fucking, you know, MMA fighter or a Jiu-Jitsu fucking master doing something. It was like, yes, it was like watching someone who was getting ready to clean up a body. And so I'm like, yeah, because Andy's career was interesting. It started off as a failure and then ended up in some interesting places if you know his story. But that's a separate issue for another day. And so he went through every way and he's like, and then he like sat on the edge of the bed and looked up at me.

And he's like, yeah, no, he couldn't have done that. And so then we went to the left side of the bed, which made no sense according to any report or what was found. But we said, if they totally lied about everything and it was over there, how would you have done it? I don't even remember what we did there, but it wasn't even possible. It wasn't possible without him sitting on the ground. It wouldn't have made any sense.

Nothing there would have made sense. So then this is when he says, let's walk out of here and let's review the reports. We go through the pancreas thing. We also between, we had the DOJ manual open and the FBI manual, the official reports of Jeffrey Epstein's death open. And there were discrepancies between the two everywhere. I'm not even going to list them out.

I can't even remember all of them. We lost count. I want to say like photographic memories saying it was like page 76 to 79 of the FBI report had like, this isn't like that. This isn't like that. Like looking over back of the DOJ. This isn't like that. We're sitting there and we were dumbfounded looking at each other.

All the while I'm saying to Andy, like he's asking me, he's like, so how are you feeling about this, Julian? And I would like, I went from being like a jokester and having fun like in a good way where we're having good rapport, getting good content to getting more and more speechless and reserved, which most of the tape you see of me is when I was very speechless and. reserved. None of the like excited moments, which there were a lot, really made the cut. Yeah. So I was getting more like, what the fuck? And, and he's asking me, again, like, how I'm feeling. And I'm turning to Andy and I'm, and I'm looking back at the cameraman, looking at the camera, I'm looking at Andy and I'm like, you. Are you? Are you suggesting what I think you're, like you, Andy Bustamante, Mr. No conspiracies ever. exists. Everything's Occam's razor. It's all just stupidity. You know, the fucking Santa Claus isn't real. Are you suggesting that Jeffrey Epstein is still alive? And he said something along the lines to me of saying,

I'm suggesting that I'm looking at the reports and I'm very perplexed. It doesn't add up to me. Now my head's going back all the way to our very first recording. I remember episode 97. I want to say it's like 45 minutes into it. This is back in April, 2022. We recorded this. It came out at the beginning of May 2022. Andy, and this is before I knew the actual backstory of his career.

So we were talking about things that they did without me also knowing, like, some of the things he literally did in a very far in place that might rhyme. with Shmina, you know? It might. I don't know. That's just what I've heard. But, you know, he talked about expultrations. And how easy. Like, I remember him being like, oh, yeah.

You know, sometimes, listen, sometimes if you're burned, you know, they'll just, there's ways, there's multiple ways to do it. One of the ways he discussed was like taking people out in a canister and giving them MRIs and they just live in a fucking tanker truck unit for like four days. And MRI is, you know, all the mess. military people out there listening. You guys know exactly what it is, but it's like, you know, set up little meal plans, if you will. It's like a packet of sustenance. That's what it is. Hey, I was trying to talk it up. No, I'm sure the military guys will back you up on that.

It's like trauma. But I'm starting to think about this as I'm like, all right, if they got him out, how did they do it? And it was around this point where Andy says to me, what if you're I told you that the prison, the official Bureau of Prisons layout of the units? Like the architecture? The architecture, the official report that I have right here of the actual MCC or whatever it's called. Like the straight up blueprints. Yes.

And he opens it up to that page. What if I told you that it's wrong for one cell in particularly? No fucking way. And I was, and literally I was like, I was like Ben Affleck and the town when they said, see the cop after that whole chase and the cop's just like looking right at him and he's like are you going to do it like i literally looked at him like that and he goes let's go back to the cell so again d if you can pull this up you can see that there is a full corner of this cell so the door is but is directly behind my back and the corner of the cell makes it

an indented L in the room. It's an it and what Andy discovered is that it was a vent. It was an air duct. There's effectively an 8x4 room on the other side of that. Wow. That you can get into. And you cannot see. That's why that was that funny meme from the from the show.

I'll pull it up right here on my phone so you can see it. I put this on Instagram, but there's a hilarious meme where he had me go stand looking through the prison door like this and he took the dummy like he was choking it behind the l to demonstrate he was like julian can you see me and i'm like nope so i'm staring through the door i put this up on instagram because someone needs to make a fucking meme out of this but this is what can you see it dif yeah this is what it looked like you see him shaking it yeah right and he's like i could be killing him right here and you would not know so i'm looking through and i cannot see behind that L, meaning if a security guard, those people were fucking out to lunch. But if they were standing

at the door, they literally wouldn't be able to tell if anything, whether it's someone killing him or someone putting them in the vent, putting a new person in there, a body double, or whatever it is, they wouldn't be able to see it on that end. He then walked through with me, and this is, I had a full-blown redux to episode 97 during this. He walked through exactly a 72 hour period how Jeffrey Epstein if it needed to be that long would survive in there and then proceeded to very nonchalantly be like 72 hour he wouldn't need 72 hours he said i've determined this mission to get him out of this prison is very easy it could have been done with three people one of whom was an inmate inmate on the take three people and then and then he walked me through like a

like a serial killer walking it's going to sound so bad but whatever like a serial killer walking through exactly how something so crazy and evil is done. He was like step one. I don't even remember it. Laundry cart. This guy. You get this type of prisoner right over there. It's approximately 15 minutes after X, Y, or Z.

I don't remember the details what it was. You have one guy outside who's working with some sort of, you know, foreign nation, nation. I think he said, you know, because he's like, this is a, that was the other thing. Andy was going to like, this is, you know, the guy worked with Israel. Andy seems pretty confident on that. I obviously agree. Seems to shy away from the CIA's guilt in the matter. I disagree with him on that part.

Yeah, true company. Zero ties to the CIA. I don't want to say Andy said zero is just. that was a part of the conversation that conveniently would be not brought up, but there's also other places because what Andy seems to be getting with is that, you know, the whole elite kind of cabal of all different psychos around the world, like Jeffrey Epstein was wired into that. And as a side note, like I said, this is the day the Iran War was breaking out. So when we first got in there and we're sitting in in the back room before we started and

I are just you know catching up whatever I looked at him. I'm like dude what the fuck? And he's like I know man. I know he's like I saw it coming but it's fucked up like that's the way I'm like no shit Sherlock but I'm like what is happening? The Ayatollah wasn't dead for another four hours I was going to say maybe his ghost woke you up in the middle of the night but he wasn't dead yet I don't know bro but no it wasn't the Iatola we found out like halfway through the shoot, I was eating like a fucking Quest bar. I'm like, Andy, they whack the Ayatollah.

He's like, yeah, it sounds about right, you know. It was like, it was like really surreal. But I forget how it came up, but we're talking about the war and I'm just like beside myself and I'm like, who's this for, man? This is not in our interest. You know it and I know it.

And he goes, no, it's not. And then Andy in prototypical Andy fashion. said, and he said it better than that. He has such a way with words, like, it's so annoying, like how perfectly he'll put something that you don't want to hear, that also sometimes is total propaganda, but other times it's like, yeah, and I, that's actually right. He cooked.

He said, yeah, the two wildest days at CIA are the day you learn how the world really works, and the day you learn how you can operate within it at CIA. And then he goes, that first day is a really tough day. and he was talking about like the Rockefellers and shit in the context and like the Roth trials in the context of the conversation and basically confirming to me

that these ideas that like they're pulling some strings and the intelligence is just a fucking tool of it that's what Andy Bustamante was saying this like again Mr. Langley himself which makes me think a little bit I don't know whether I'm proud of them or suspicious

just maybe both. But, you know, we're having that conversation off camera about the context of a real-world event going on. And then come back on camera here where he's talking about who would be interested in getting them out. To me, that's what he was alluding to. You know, all these different people. It's not one or two. It's all of them. And he was just remarking to me how easy it would be. That's what stuck with me. I was having, like, I've never thought the guy killed himself.

I always had to leave a possibility out there, you know, 0.01% that maybe he did. But I've always been on record. The guy was whacked. I really hadn't been a, oh, he's still alive guy. I've thought about it before. I've thought about it. You have to. I've thought about it.

It's fun. But, yeah, it's fun. But I was like, nah. You know, they would change the ear. in the picture to say, look, it doesn't match his ear and it would be visually changed, stuff like that. And I'm like, ah. But then a week before this, John Kyriako and I had recorded and John believed he had killed himself. And John will change his opinion when he has better evidence. I still have to talk to him about everything we looked at here. But, you know, obviously a lot of

people disagree with that take. That said, it was the intro to episode 388 where after he had said that, part, I brought up the idea of like, if you wanted to exfiltrate someone out of there, how would you do it? And he said, I'd have a body that everyone can see and went through the whole thing and made it sound so easy. Like, yeah, of course they can do body doubles and shit like that. And so now I'm thinking about that. Which, by the way, the Discovery Channel team put that in the episode. They put a bunch of kiriaku stuff in there, including that clip from our podcast. Andy was probably like... No, I think Andy was, Andy's not like that.

Like Andy's like, hey, whatever you need for content, baby. Like, he's, he's, I respect that a lot about him. He doesn't care like when people are shredding him about stuff. He's like, whatever, you know. And obviously in the Danny Jones podcast, which with Kyriaku and Andy, which was recorded back in August 2024, it's an amazing podcast, by the way. You know, what's wild, I've said this before on camera on these episodes. 80 to 85% of it, John and Andy like agree with each other, which was nuts.

And then in the second hour, there's like a period where Andy tries to go at John and like, you know, John got him. He just straight up. And Andy's points, what I've said before is I don't think Andy actually believes the things he was literally saying to John. Because I look at like how Andy lives his life and the things he does. And I'm like, he does like the opposite of that. And that's where it's like, ah, he's just representing Langley or what. whatever. But, you know, like, I think Andy was like, because we were talking about the

Kiroaku podcast when we were out there. It was like a fucking great podcast, you know, like he, he had seen it. So I think he probably wanted some of that in there because the context was very relevant for what we were talking about with that stuff. So it worked. It worked. I don't know. More on Kurt Metzker in a minute. But, but I just was happy. But I just was having a total, because again, I'm filming with a TV crew, which I'm already like a little, the crew was fucking awesome, like I said, but you're still like skeptical of how this is going to come out and I don't want to be an idiot. But I'm like reacting live and I'm just, I was speechless. I had nothing. I'm like, Andy, this guy's fucking alive, isn't he? And he's like, that's why I brought

you here. I'm investigating. I don't know. But everything Andy's pointing to is like, yeah, he's a lot. So the last on the show, that didn't come up till the last five-minute segment. And this is where Andy hedged. This is where he hedged. I believe, and I can't speak for Andy Bustamante, because, like, he has not said this confirmed verbally to me. I believe Andy believes they got him out.

But when he went to do the final part of the show, last minute where he's like, at CIA, they teach us to work on a scale from, it's a, it's real terminology, I don't remember what it was, but effectively like definitely not true or definitely true and everything in between. He goes, I can't rule out the possibility that Jeffrey Epstein isn't alive, but I would score it as not probable. So not impossible, but not probable. I believe that Andy's report is actually probable. That's just my editorial. Take that as you will.

I am definitely on the probable side. I shouldn't say I'm 100%. I think that was, and that didn't make the cut. I think at some point in the final segment where he and I were just talking for an hour about it on camera, I think I did say something like, holy shit, like he's definitely alive. Because I'm like shocked.

I feel pretty strongly. that he probably is. And I did not feel that way walking in there. So you remember when you called me after? Oh, yeah. So I forgot this. During the day. And like I'm fucking with him the whole day.

I'm fucking with him on camera too. The crew was like loving it because they see like we have this dynamic. Like they definitely had the most fun with us. With your episode. Yeah. Because like everyone else they're bringing in like he doesn't know or he's meeting for the first time. but like this fucking guy waterboarded me like we go way back you know what i mean so and we always enjoy fucking with each other and we've always been good sports about that ribbing each other he

ribs me on camera all the time i do as well like in that way it's a good relationship but throughout the day when we would take you know 10 minute breaks between set i would fucking like beeline it through the bottom garage outside to where there's signal and called Danny Jones, Dief, Alessie, and at one point my mom. And shout out to the mic guy, because he probably had to listen to all this while I was miced up. Oh yeah, you were still like going. What the fuck is going? You know, I was like freaking out. I just imagined you when you called me like just doing your pace. Like I just imagine you walking in a circle. Yes. And I was like, I was at home that day too. So I'm just like pacing around my house. And I'm like, wow, I believe it. Dude, I was pacing like

around a dumpster in the parking lot right there. Just like, holy shit, he's alive. Like, what the fuck? Yeah, you were fired up. You were really fired up. It was really like, the mic guy was probably back there like, man. He's having a rough one. I was just repeating.

Should I roll this guy? Should I use this for B-roll audio? It wasn't usable because I was just repeating everything we said in there. I was just doing it in a louder way. Except saying expletives in between everything. So he's like, oh, we can't use this. But I was already doing that all day. let's face it.

That is also why the edit was probably pretty difficult for these guys. Because at the end of that hour, they were so happy about it. But I was like, apologize. I'm like, guys, I'm from New Jersey. I don't do the, I'm sorry. And they're like, no, no, it's fine. We can fix all that. Like, I don't even know what the fuck I said.

But there was one other segment I wanted to address. And that was when Dr. Priya came in there. Now, she, what is her last? Pria Banerjee, I want to say her name is. She is a long time. She was a former chief medical examiner. I want to say in Rhode Island or Maryland, one of those two. It was Maryland.

Maryland. And Rhode Island, yeah. And Rhode Island. And she did that, I think, for like 12 or 13 years straight. And then went to TV to be an expert because she had her kid and she wanted to be able to spend more time at home. but she came in after Andy and I had filmed everything I told you about in the cell and afterwards and all that and then we brought her in with mockups of like a human neck and everything to walk us through it and we did the same thing to her where we said here's the prison cell let's go in

and what she said I have to be careful here because there were things said off record as well what she said on camera, I can't remember everything that made the cut on there, but what she said on record on camera is that the narrative of suicide has a lot of problems. And she walked through injury by injury, all these different things. And this is one place where the 41 minute edit thing is a huge problem because these are such intricate details. We were discussing each detail for 10 minutes apiece. Yeah, you miss all that context. And when you're just getting three quick medical terms thrown at you and followed by four more and six more and two more, you know, in the span of 90 seconds on a TV edit, it's in one ear. For me, it was in one ear out the other.

That's how it felt for me too. It was just like when she started showing the neck thing, I was like, I'm kind of. Yep. Yeah. But we went through. We gave her all the binders and everything and showed her the discrepancies, which by the way, I forgot this one. The FBI and the DOJ took pictures of different prison cells. That's a big problem.

And he proved that. That's a big problem. He was like, this is not the cell. Between that and the pancreas, how does that not call for some sort of... Nothing to see here, Dief? Yeah, well, obviously. Obviously not. Okay?

That's wild, dude. David Rockefeller called us before and personally told us from beyond the grave. They say he's dead. Apparently he's not dead. and said, do not discuss this. So we're not going to discuss it, okay? All right. Or I'll lose my job at J.P. Morgan.

That's right. All right. And he started J.P. Morgan. That's right. There you go. You're really fucked. Figuratively and literally. Well, the literally part, I think you'll enjoy it. But more on that a little bit.

But like I said, a few things Dr. Priya said off record. I cannot say. What I will say is my observation, because, Andy and I were basically like sitting in there like, you know, good cop, good cop. We were very nice to her. Just peppering her with all the information we'd already gone through. And you could just see her mind like, holy shit. Like, I think she's very doubtful on the suicide part.

I would say she's very, very doubtful on that. But when we took her in the cell and redid all the demonstrations that didn't make the cut that Andy and I had done earlier, she was just like, no, no, no, that wouldn't work. No, he's got the continue. No, that wouldn't work. Everything was that wouldn't work. And we're just like, wow.

But I think this is also where, like, Dr. Priya does, like, all mainstream media stuff. And like I said, Andy and I, I'm from the independent world completely. Andy's literally from the independent world completely. Do it that way you will. You know, where you're used to do it. just fucking letting it fly. Yeah, yeah. And I think she was really tight on that because this is like the most controversial case in mankind's history.

Sure. And she wanted, she was worried about getting something wrong. That's how I'd describe it. Because she was, you know, she had studied the case inside and now. She's discussed it publicly before, but she had gone through the case again fresh before she went in there. But again, then we were showing her new things that like she couldn't. prep. So it's a you know, she's a doctor. I'm a fucking podcast.

This is not, you know. Yeah. He's do very different things. Yeah. But she was excellent and went through everything in complete detail and really confirmed like again, rule out the suicide completely. It's just not it's not possible. He did not kill himself. That much I

will set in stone at this point. I have no problem saying that. And again, I think there's a strong possibility they got him out of there. But I'm trying to think. We filmed for eight hours. Bill Mercy probably filmed for about four hours with Andy the weekend before. Andy filmed for two or three hours with Dr. G. React and the New York Post reporter. And then he did the eight hours, by the way, included about three hours with Dr. Priya with us. So yeah, 18. But then he did a bunch of voiceovers and narrations, probably another couple hours. So in 15 to 20 hours worth of filming,

they got it down to 41 minutes. The hope, and this is what Andy and I were discussing that day, I haven't had a chance to talk to him this week to see where he's out with it. But he was hoping that Discovery would give him permission to post longer versions of stuff on YouTube to promote the show. I hope he is able to do that. Because like I said, we filmed, we'd have those 10 minute breaks and stuff, but we filmed basically continually without really having to do takes other than to get B-roll. And it was a lot of great information, a lot of, a lot of great stuff. I was really impressed with the scope that he had looked at. I was unfamiliar with Andy's game on that for this issue. I mean, this used to be, you can roll the tape on like the first DiOrio Bustamante, sit down with

Danny Jones and I on Concrete. 66. Like, you used to not even say the word Epstein, but you'd get to a word like blackmail and he would see where you're going and he would get angry and shut it the fuck down. And now he's doing TV episodes about it. So do with that what you will. But I do, again, I want to give a huge shout out to the production team. They were fucking awesome. And there's one other detail. I mentioned it that we got it. We got to include in here, which is that the unexpected co-star, other co-star on the show was our dear friend. and Kurt Metzger. So Discovery sends me, the executive, the executive producer of the show, Brad, sends me a text like the day we filmed with Kurt Metzger and says, hey man, there's one edit we want to do on the show where we want it to look like you're saying something on your actual podcast for the voiceover. So if I gave you like this short script, would you just do it like you're doing it on a podcast? And Deef and I like look at each other and we're like,

yeah, that's such a TV. But we're like, all right, all right, fine, we'll do it. So I take this laptop. I sit in my regular seat like I'm talking to a guest over there. And there's like four run on sentences I got to read. And we have like five minutes to do this. So I'm like, Dief, I'm not memorizing this. I'm just going to go like line by line.

And then we'll pause and I'll find a guest afterwards to like edit in for each of those spots. So we film it real quick. I make it all dramatic, you know, like lean forward. Like the thing that's just killing me. And I go outside and I'm like, hmm, I wonder who I should put on this. We just filmed with Kurt Metzker earlier that day. So I'm like, let me see if I could find some Kurt B-roll. The problem with Kurt Metzker B-roll, just to start off with that, is that there's really never a point where he's not talking, including when you're talking.

So I can't really find times where his mouth is not moving, which is going to be a problem for cutting to his face in between these lines Until I scrolled to I don't know, maybe like the hour and a half mark on the footage of him and found a spot Where in his sunglasses holding his fucking pipe Six-claw Kurt was ripping his white claw and I'm like you know me. I'm such a little fuck. So I was like Yeah, let's do it. So I cut in like three different spots. First, the first time I say this like really serious line, it cuts to Kurt, and you're going to see it in a minute. And he like rips a claw. And then the next time he's like playing with the pipe in the sunglasses. I cut it together. I send it to Dief. He's fucking crying.

And I'm like, I'm going to send it over to Discovery. They're never going to accept this, but fuck it. So I send it over to Discovery. And they're like, looks great. And I'm like, they definitely didn't watch it. But then when I was on Danny Jones podcast a couple weeks ago, we talked i talked about that on air and brad shout out brad the executive producer sends me a text goes listening to you on danny jones right now fuck yeah we left the claw in so this was let's let's play it deep this was the footage when you strip away all the noise the thing i keep coming back to is how strange those final days were you got a guy who's just been taking off suicide watch in what is supposedly one of the most secure federal institutions in america huge air quotes

there. And conveniently, in this secure institution, the cameras aren't working, the guards fall asleep, and nobody's checking on them. Now, we allegedly know a lot about what happened and what didn't happen outside the cell. But after all these years, no one has been able to provide me with a coherent narrative of what happened inside the cell that night. Seeing that, like, you have Andy with very serious voiceover, the dramatic music playing, And then it just cuts to that. And White Claw, Kurt just gave me so much life. It was the best thing ever.

And then they even went and pulled footage of Kurt's episode with Danny Jones, where he's wearing the bullet helmet in the sunglasses. And it cuts to like, Andy's like narrating to the camera. And he's like, and there's even a possibility that maybe he's alive. And it cuts to Kurt Matska going, oh, yeah, no, he's fucking alive. It's in the files. And then Danny Jones goes, it's in the files. like, yeah, bro, it's in the files.

Dane Jones is like, where is it in the files? And it just cuts away. Don't worry about the evidence. We're good. But shout out to Kurt. I know, the man, I know Kurt is the world's number one fan of Andrew Bustamante.

That is certainly a fact that I'm not making up and lying about right now. As in, I'm totally lying about that. I fucking hate Andy Bustamante. That made it all the better. So thank you to Uncle Kurt for, participating in that episode. And, you know, I don't think it got age restricted, Dief. Discovery Channel is age restriction proof, luckily, unlike some other channels. That's good. That's good. It's real good. But that is the wrap up. There's some details I missed. I'll include that

in some future episodes. But all in all, I do want to give a huge shout out to everyone. I don't think stuff was taken out of context or anything like that. They just, as we knew going in, they couldn't include a lot of very important things. So hopefully that's able to be released in the future. But on that note, Dief, apparently there was a suicide note and they're just telling us about this now. Yeah, I saw that and it was just very convenient like everything that just keeps happening in the world. Do you have that tweet? Yeah, I do. I want to make sure we get this right. Right. Obviously. Read it. But this was reported on April 30th breaking. New reports have come out of a suicide note purportedly ridded by Jeffrey Epstein in a Manhattan jail has been kept secret for nearly seven years locked up in a New York courthouse.

And one of the attorneys confirmed this, but then didn't comment on it because the records are sealed and everything. But ladies and gentlemen, this is a big moment for the show thief. We've got to lock in right now. I told you things have been getting more serious around here. we were able to work the phones do a lot of biz. Defe and I were working this for about three days. And we have an exclusive for you right now on Joy and Dory Podcasts. You haven't seen this yet, Defe.

I haven't. You've not seen it, but I'm going to get my gloves on first. We have the letter. It was given to us the actual physical form. Oh, wow. Oh, yeah. Yeah, no. Big biz. Big biz.

I'm not going to reveal the source who gave this to me. I wouldn't want to burn them. But this is a worldwide exclusive for you guys. I've got to be very careful. It's like handling the Declaration of Independence, you know? But this is it. As you can see. You got that on camera, Dief?

I do. It says, hello, it is me, Jeffrey Epstein. I am definitely going to unalive myself this is totally my handwriting that's smart just in case anyone thought in case they thought otherwise so I obviously want to handle this delicately a huge shout out to our source

who gave them that his handwriting looks a lot like mine that's very strange but you know I have no relation to Jeffrey Epstein that said we will continue to monitor the situation on that you know what you know what deep what fuck these people. All right. Every time the narrative needs to change, they create something that is even stupider that creates a stricane effect for all of us to sit here and be like, we know you are feeding us slop. Why do you keep doing it? And why do enough people say, please, thank you,

my, I have some more. Of course, he didn't fucking write a suicide note. Of course, they're not holding on to something for seven years that could have proved their whole fucking case. It would have even been in those reports, by the way. The DOJ report, maybe Dr. G reacts and someone who's really gone through that in depth could give you a full better color commentary of that. But like, I am so fucking sick of these people, the system, whatever it is, telling us things like this just to try to act like it's going to go away. And sadly, because they keep creating new narratives of important things, by the way, not for the most part, not stuff that's like, not something you should look at, but pushing the narratives to change the story.

Epstein's going so bad. Well, maybe we attack Iran. Oh, I don't know. That seems to make sense. Oh, Iran war is going bad. Let's hone in on the missing scientists now. Like, we cover all this stuff, but we don't lose the initial thread here. We have covered the Epstein thing.

This is episode 13. We've covered it in every episode. And we have a treasure trove of stuff that we have not gotten to yet that we've even looked at to say nothing of all this. stuff we haven't even looked at and the news that continues to come out and mostly get ignored. And I, like I said, I said this last week, a lot of people have been stopping me on a street and saying, you know, keep going. Thank you for like looking at this and keeping this alive. And like, I think that's kind of the least we can do here. You know, yes, we're entertainers. We have as much

fun as we can with things obviously. But this is like the most serious thing ever. And the idea that this could get shoved under the rug when it involves every fucking powerful person that seems to exist in our society? No, Bueno. No Bueno. No, Bueno. We're not doing that. So obviously, that's not his real suicide note in case that wasn't painfully obvious. But, you know, it's just disheartening. And don't believe any of that stuff. And there's, I already have next week, there's about eight things down there, Dief. We're going to be really digging into. We've done a lot on Kathy Rumler. We've got to get to Reed Hoffman, the founder of LinkedIn, former PayPal Mafia guy. That's one guy we haven't covered yet who is knee-deep in Jeffrey Epstein

pause. But we will definitely do that. But on a lighter note, a more fun note, I do think it's time to talk about your now employer. Hey, Defe. I'm excited. I'm honored. I'm ready to work. I'm ready to work. He's ready to work all that. Blood, sweat, tears, and pause. That's right.

Canons. Canons. By the way, J.P. Morgan's in the Epstein file. Let's not forget that. They flip the narrative here. I do want to point this out. The narrative has moved from, hey, what the fuck

were you doing with Jeffrey Epstein? It's all the way up at the top. The stench is there. Why is there? to like, now everyone want to work there because they got a little freaka leak. There's a dominatrix. Little, little fric-a-lica. In the department.

Now, before I say this, I do need to say, it doesn't make it any less funny. J.P. Morgan has not only stood by Lorna Hajdini, who is the woman at the center of this story, we will discuss in a minute, but they have firmly denied all the allegations. has Lorna, the case was even pulled, the filing was pulled back to be, it's like in redo mode, because it wasn't even filed correctly by the claimant here. And we're going to discuss all the details of somehow you haven't seen this story in a minute. And, you know, again, they've denied everything and believed the entire things of fabrication. And I do think it's saying something that like a bank of all places is not only,

not firing the lady, but they're publicly standing by her based on an internal investigation. It's pretty telling about what they think about the claims. This investigation included them reviewing phone records, I believe, like, secure places, like where badges were used, based on what some allegations were, where people were at the same time, all that. And JP Morgan's like, yeah, no, fam. Lorne is cool as fuck. So, shout out to Lorna. I think Lorna is going to come out of this. On top.

On top. All right. She's obviously keeping her job. I'm sure she's not feeling great about the stuff that's claimed about her. I can't imagine she's feeling too great. I definitely, she's definitely not having a great Friday. You know, it's not a casual Friday for her today. She has 30,000 follows, follow requests.

including Joey D. including me, which was just on a pure spec basis. Yeah, just doing research for the show. Just doing research for the show. Did she accept that? No, she did not. God, biz. I love biz, dude. Again, let's get to the totally denied alleged claims that I can go lie, it reads like a 50 shades of gray and I want it to be real, but it I think I agree with J.P. Morgan here. I think this is totally fabricated. Oh, man. For a lot of reasons, which, by the way, you know, we follow the rules around here. So I do have, seen as the claimant was Indian, I do have a resident Indian guy, my friend, Sognick Basu, shout out Sognick, which we're just going to get clearance to be able to discuss this case in a comedic satirical lens from Sognick.

I told him I was going to be calling him. Let's just please hold for a minute while we're getting a little. getting them on the line. Look at that. Hair, glasses, on point. How's going?

I'm good, man. I'm good. So, you're on air right now. Say a load to the people. Hold on. I can't really hear you.

Sog's always got, like, Steve's got good swag. You catch this guy at like 9 a.m. on a Wednesday, like he's going to be swagged out. Are we good yet,

Sog? Oh, you're walking inside for acoustic. I got you. I got you. That's smart. Okay, so we're on air and we're about to discuss the J.P. Morgan's story, which to claim it, who we don't believe at all, we're siding with JP here. Obviously, since he's a person of Indian descent like you, I need the resident Indian guy passed to be able to maybe say some things in a comedic lens in an Indian accent. Is that, is that cleared?

Don't give you any sort of past He might not be Indian So there's that So you can take the pass But you can do what we want Wait wait wait What do you mean he's not Indian That's the same thing

Oh Is it Nepal and India Would you say Would you say Spain and Portugal Are the same thing Because they're right next to each other No Absolutely not

Well case and points It's right next to each other But not the same thing How do we know he's Nepalese The physiogamy I can tell Physiagami. Yeah. Only Saq could be on that. Now, now what is the accent, is the accent similar?

No, it's not. Unfortunately. I mean, you can still, you can still like a default Apu accent. I give me the password, God bless. But you don't want to lie to your fans now. You're going to do you. I don't want to lie to them. So he's Nepalese.

It's almost dis. So does that mean that the curry joke reference was actually geographically misplaced? Oh, see, like, that's where the new ones kicks in. Now, do Nepali people have food that involves curry? Yes, they do. They do. And he can just, yeah, so I'm giving you the ball.

You can run with it. Chef Curry with the shot, boy, that's all I need. All right. Thank you, as always for your service, sir. You got it. As Ann Hathaway would say, inshalla. That's right. I love it, Hathaway.

What's that tweet on? guardable at 22, unguardable at 32, unguardable at 42, and Hathaway Braun. Yeah, literally. I'll retweet that one. But there you go. We do have a pass, but that's a real fucking... But we also have a bombshell. That's a curveball, so he's Nepalese.

Nepalese. Shout out to Nepal. Yeah, my Nepal friends out there. My geography in that area of the world, not too good. More of a Europe and Africa kind of guy. The Trump kind of came out there when you said, I'm not too good. Not great with that area. Not great with that area.

They do like Curry, though. They do like Curry. But, Dave, can we pull up the initial bombshell Daily Mail report here? Right here for you. I don't think we're getting Erica Kirk today. Sorry, people. Yeah, I even dressed like her. You didn't notice?

I have my hat outside, but I'm all blacked out. Like, I don't do that. Someone said, dude, it was such a nuanced one. They're like, she looks like Dave Attell, about to do a set at the comedy cellar. And I personally just thought that was killer. Yeah, she looked like Eminem was about to fucking spaghetti, mom's spaghetti, something.

I don't know. But anyway, so the headline reads, glamorous J.P. Morgan exec, accused of turning married male broker into her office sex slave, claims of Viagra spiking and litany of obscene forced acts that made him cry. I do want to say, obviously we're joking about this and the whole internet is and righteously so.

Any abuse is bad. There is like, I mean, I'll freely admit it. There's a double standard when it comes to like a woman abusing a guy. There's a part of me that's kind of thinking, all right, how do you let that happen? Maybe there's a power dynamic. But J.P. Morgan also disproved that. He did not, this guy did not report to her. She didn't have like power over him according to the lawsuit.

So that's hilarious. It's like, dude, what the fuck are you doing? He doesn't even, he barely even like noser. Also, his new job he's had for the last six months, he left abruptly on April 2nd. They announced that today. So he's like unemployed. The guy sounds like he's fucking going through it personally.

I don't know if maybe there's some other medical problems there. I have no idea. It's pure spec right there. Yeah, there's been a lot of spec around him. Let's just start going through this. A JP Morgan executive allegedly used her power to sexually harass and abuse a junior male employee, drugging him, subjecting him to raise,

racial abuse and threatening his career when he refused her advances, according to a lawsuit. Lorna Hedini, 37, an executive director in J.P. Morgan's Leverage Finance Division, very important division, is accused in the filing of coercing a married banker into non-consexual and humiliating sex acts over months despite the pleas for her to stop. Her accuser claimed she admitted to drugging him with the date-raped drug Roofies on multiple occasions and during one encounter berated him as he cried while she performed a sex act on him against his... I'm just picturing John C. Riley and that chick in stepbrother. He's like, oh, my God.

Oh, no. But then he likes it. Yeah. You know? And then she uses the urinal. I wonder. It's interesting. Turn you into a ball.

Roll you up. Roll you up. My chair. Let you live in there. Crawl around. I figure you tickle. And I know it's just you. The complaint was filed Monday in New York County Supreme Court by a plaintiff

proceeding anonymously as John Doe, who claims he chose to hide his name to protect himself and his family after receiving threats. The lawsuit also accuses JP Morgan of enabling the alleged abuse and retaliating against the banker after he reported it, claiming the firm placed him on involuntary leave. They're like, bro, you should have enjoyed it. Destroyed his reputation and allowed threats against him to continue while Hasdini and others went unpunished. Neither Hasdini nor it, well, this is not true now. updated Hishdini did respond through an attorney who categorically

denied all the claims. I smell a counter suit coming there and based on the fact that I don't buy any of this I firmly am rooting for in that department. But a spokesman for JMC did come out and they

doubled down, they said they announced that they had done this investigation, they announced all the details that went into it, they had internally cleared her and they categorically deny all the all the accusations on her behalf, which again, like I said earlier, that is a very strong, like they must be feeling really good about it. As someone who worked at a bank out of college, these places are the most no bullshit.

One little fucking hair out of place, you're gone. You're gone. They don't care who you are. They don't care if you're one of the biggest producer. You're gone. So like, again, when I saw that, I'm like, bro. They must have every text, every single thing, and makes it very unbelievable. It continues. According to Doe's complaint, Hasdini alleged abuse started almost immediately after

the pair began working together in the spring of 2024. This is where we're going to need some color commentary deep as we start going through this. Yeah. You know, very, very important details. I want you to put me in these places because I know like this is your kink and these are the things you're into. Yes. So you can give some really good firsthand analysis of what you would have done in these situations or when you've been on the receiving end of these situations, how it did work out for you in real life. Okay. But Doe, who is Asian, Nepali, is according to my friend Zognik, joined. But what's, his name was released by the way? How do you say it? Um, Cheraiyurana. Yeah, Chirai. We'll get a picture of him a little later. But it was, he was outed, as I said,

by New York Post. But Doe, whose agent, joined as a senior VP director that March in 2024, and Hesdini was reported to the team in a senior role the following month. In early May 24, Doe alleges Heshtini dropped her pen on the floor, the classic pen drop, next to his desk, and while bending to pick it up, rubbed his leg and squeezed his calf. He claims she then remarked, oh, you did play basketball in college. I love basketball players. They get me so wet.

I played a little basketball I'd been like yeah yeah I was pretty good Lorna I was I played the bench I was like junior varsity didn't happen From there Doe alleges

The advances grew more explicit and frequent Later that May Doe said in the complaint that Hizdini invited him out for drinks But he declined In response she is alleged to have said If you don't fuck me soon I'm going to ruin you. Never forget, I fucking own you. Again, I repeat, she was not,

he did not report to her in his position. Now, if he just went for drinks, that wouldn't have happened. It wouldn't happen. He could have just went for drinks. She was like, her drink. Excuse me. Like, I'm leaving. Yeah. I'm going home to my wife. Fool. Twice, Doe claims the Hesdini proposition him for oral sex in the office on one occasion asking, and again, for YouTube purposes, we are reading a legal report for educational purposes. This is what was filed in New York Supreme Court. It's not our words. These are words of the complaint. Where was I? If there's no restriction on the press, the newspapers, then there shouldn't be on this. That's right. So Doe claims that his deanie proposition him for oral

sex in the office on one occasion asking birthday BJ for the brown boy. My little brown boy. while Doe claims Well, you're You're not a brown boy, Dief Yeah, I could be if she needs me, dear I sure could do While Doe claims he continued To resist her advances

His Dini allegedly threatened professional Retribution telling him if he wanted to be promoted to executive director He would need to start pleasing her According to the lawsuit. I keep thinking, just as a side note here, I I wanted, no one knows who the lawyer

is it hasn't been released anywhere because again they pulled the complaint and I can't get a link to the PDF maybe someone can help me in the comments I really want to know who the lawyer is who wrote this and I want to I want to be there like I want to be a fly on the wall in that room while Chirayu is quoting these complaints yeah I would imagine that because he's unemployed now he probably has been, you know, a little downtrod and maybe he's, you know, sniffing a little ketamine now. And he's him and this lawyer. Peerspeck. They had this crazy idea. He's like, listen, we could do this. You know? I got you. Yeah. He's like, well, screw starting a business. Who's starting a bit? We'll sue him. So we'll get 10 million out of J.P. Morgan in a settlement

within 20 days. And you know how they justified it? Hey, Epstein. This is the fucking Epstein people. It's the Epstein case. Let's stick it to them. Now they're abusing the guys too. They're bruising the brown guys. That's right. Come on. That's right.

You're going to need to earn it. My little Arab boy toy, Doe alleges she told him during a work social event at her private members club. During the same event, he claims she repeatedly groped his groan under the table and spat in her hands running them over his neck and head. That is straight out of stepbrothers.

Yeah, I just. eventually Doe claims the alleged harassment escalated into sexual assault. Two witnesses are cited in the complaint as corroborating parts of his account. Who were those witnesses? Where were they sitting? Take me to their death, Steve. Did you ever have people watching you while women have had their way with you? Real people are the ones in my head.

Because the ones in my head are there's one there, there's one there. But real ones. I don't know. It's not like a cut kink or something to like have like doing accounting watching this. No, I do like, you do like people watching. Yeah. Usually we'll give people arm bands. And depending on the color of your arm band, that's like if you're going to watch or you're going to participate. Right. I noticed they said others refuse to make a comment. What's that all about? I would imagine there's others involved. I would imagine this is not something you want your name.

associated with, even if you're friends with... I don't... Hey, Joey D. Philippus. Yeah, this shit is... Our bank is losing its shit right now. Why wasn't it me? Get fired. Doe alleges the Heshtini, I'm continuing.

Now use escalating threats and racial abuse to coerce him into performing sexual acts. He also claimed that Hishdini admitted to drugging him with the date-raped drug and other drugs without his knowledge before some. some encounters to incapacitate him and facilitate sexual activity to also claim Hasdini used her executive status to gain unauthorized access to his bank account to track his every move. That, dude, I am willing to go out on a limb and say, that's not possible. That pure spec, but. No way.

No way. They block ESPN.com. at banks. Like literally, like shit like that. No fucking... He must be having like illusions of grandeur and like he's like, I'm the man. Yeah. And like he's going to make sure people know it. Yeah, maybe... Because she's going through crazy lengths to get at him, right?

I don't know what... Yeah, I don't know. Let's keep going. All right. Go down. There's Lorna. One day you're negotiating with suppliers. The next, you're installing a shelf in the back room. Running a business means moving in many directions all the time. D's new small business banking accounts are built for how your business moves. It's how we're making banking more human.

In the summer of 2024, it's claimed that the lawsuit that Hesdini in the lawsuit that Hesdini showed up in an apartment where Doe was staying knowing he would be there. Inside, she allegedly made sexual advances on Doe, which he were buffed, insisting he was not interested. Do you want to get promoted at your end or not? She warned him. Do you want a future at J.P. Morgan? It's that simple. I don't know why you're fighting this. Just making it sound like to climb the ladder at J.P. Morgan, you got to like bang like higher ups. Like, listen, this is, this is how it goes. This is how it works. Like she's like, he's literally, it's funny too to me because it sounds like they just have these scenarios where she's just like begging them. He's like, hey, yeah, I'm good. Listen, hussy.

And then like, two days later, she's like, come on, please. Listen, hussy, go spin the block on someone else, feel me? He's like, listen, not today, girl. Yeah. Not today. Hasdini then allegedly removed her shirt, began fondling her. breasts and racially insulted Doe's wife for marking I bet your little Asian fish head wife doesn't have these cannons

the complaint reads I just again fly on the wall that's the giveaway fucking lawyer X writing this brief and she said what she said

she had cannons she had cannons and my wife A fish head. Lawyers looking at him like... He's like, checks out. Yep, we'll put that right in there. Commas around fish head. Ten mill.

Ten mill. You just keep saying just money signs, baby. Cannons. Doe claims she then forcibly removed his pants and performed oral sex on him against his will. He continued to protest. Now, this is the part. You just, even if it were true, you never admit this part.

And began to cry. His Dini allegedly admonished him for crying and scolding him for failing to achieve an erection. Yeah, there are plenty of women in Brooklyn who love to watch a man cry. I believe that. I know that. While he's not actually getting anything going on?

Dude, bro, yeah, like, some of the shit that people are into with kink is like, it's wild. Like, it's stuff like that. Well, you'll see. I got one of the memes loaded up. You'll see. You'll see it. So this checks out to you, Joe. A hundred percent, dude.

But do I think this. actually happened in reality? Did it happen in reality? Probably not. Pure spec. No, I did. It didn't happen. Checks out. But didn't happen. Oh, God. I'm sorry, this, this. I actually really, I feel

really bad for this lady. This sucks, especially like, like, like, like, no, I, listen, we're laughing. But I, like, if this turns out to be true, it's actually just, it's, it's pretty wild. Like, it's horrible. But it's just like, clearly, like, I'm putting, I'm betting the house that this is 100% of fabrication. And this lady, it's just like, how do you bounce back?

The countersuit is going to be generational. Yeah, I mean, she's going to make a lot of money. He's going to get a divorce. He's going to lose his wife. He loses everything. He lost. He lost. You don't have a job.

He blew it. But here's what she said to him. Stop fucking crying. You think anyone would ever believe you? You're a fucking douchebag who thinks he's hot. shit but you can't even get your dick hard for me what the fuck is this she then ordered him to perform oral sex on her ignoring his plea his pleas of don't make me do this buddy buddy afraid the Mish Hedini would act on her threats to

retaliate against him do embarrassed and humiliated complied with her demands he claims he was assaulted again later that month during the second encounter Histini allegedly ordered him to Do it Do it, dude To suck on her toes Pushed him to the ground And sat on his face

I mean Barrean Listen It's a good view Every helicopter needs a landing pad Brother That's right Parading him when he was unable

To sustain arousal I'm very uncomfortable Please Lorna please I'm begging you Do claims he told her How could he talk if she's sitting on his face Yeah A very uncourable feet She's like, what?

You're loving it? All right. I'll keep going. God, dude. Biz. I really hope this isn't true. Is there any more in this? I can't keep going, bro.

Ah, my kidney. Oh, my kidney. Oh, my God. Is there anything else, Steve? I just, you know, him saying, please don't do this to me, please. Go down. Oh, here. She says, I fucking own you.

I will make you pay. Do you think you're going to be in good standing if you don't have me in your corner? She allegedly said, you really think management wants some brown boy Indian leading originations. Yes. Yes, they do.

It's just true. If you don't fuck my brains out tonight, I'm going to sabotage your promotion, fearful of retaliation. He relented. I did fuck her brain. So did he get I wonder if it was like like it's like a war cry when you're doing that you know Like if you're like charging the front lines with your sword in battle

Oh geez man Woo His initial protests were overheard by a second witness who was staying in the adjoining room According to the lawsuit who who clearly didn't want to comment They're solid Go it down A little more Doe claims Hesdini later admitted to drugging him with rohypnal or roofies

and an erection-enabling pharmaceutical substance to ensure he could perform before coerced encounters, feel fearful of reporting her behavior and allegedly concerned JPMC would not properly investigate his claims. Doe began seeking job opportunities elsewhere in 2024. However, he claims in the complaint that Histini and other senior management conspired to derail his prospects with aggressively negative references after learning of his plans. to leave. In May last year, he delivered a written complaint to JPMC detailing what he described as race and gender-based discrimination and harassment and a pattern of severe sexual abuse. A week later, he claims the firm began retaliating against him. They received anonymous

threatening phone calls from individuals he believes were acting on behalf of Hesdini and others, attempting to scare him into silence, according to the complaint. Just wait till you're back in New York, Brown boy, one caller allegedly told him, you better stay away, snitch. On June 9th, he said he received a voicemail from someone claiming to do. be a manager, telling him that he wasn't welcome because of his skin color, adding that people don't want your kind here. Another one threatened to call ICE about him and his family. I mean, he's hitting the checklist. Yeah, I mean, every possible thing. All right, go down. You got to. You're going for the big one. Is this almost done? I, I, no, look at where the

cursor is. I'm just, probably keep going. He's, all right, no, it is. It's just, there's so many comments. So many. After the article. But if there's another link there, our boy got caught talking to a chat bot. Dude, I'm so glad you got that. Yeah. Because I was going to mention that. Yeah, you got caught talking to a chat bot.

Yeah, it's not good. Not good. So can we go down to the screenshot? He called it Morgan Stanley instead of J.P. Morgan. He was trying to really cover his tracks. But then when asked for his name by the chat bot, he did use his real name. If you go, that's him. It looks like Tune Tune Tuhuhuhuhuh Sahore.

Yeah. I- Do you know who that is? I think it would... No. Is that the guy from Slumdog Marner? No, no, no. Tune-Tun-Tun-Sahor is this meme and he's like a brain slop guy? Oh, God.

He looks a lot like him. Dude, that's actually crazy how much he looks like him. Look at that. Dude, that's insane. Okay. I think it was KFC at Barstool who said this is the wildest reveal since. Oh my God, who was it? I know you're talking.

I saw that too. The Golden State Killer or something like that. I don't remember. It was something funny. I ruined the joke. But can you go down to the screenshot of the chat bot? Yeah. So people can see that.

This is him. He goes to ask a lawyer chat bot, which is exactly where I would go with claims of this series. And said, I was R-worded. What are we doing? Blameen out words at this point. Sexually assaulted, harassed and forced to do drugs by my former boss at Morgan Stanley and I believe he refers in the

chat bot to the boss as a man instead of a woman. Am I right about that? So he changed the gender and was like describing trying to figure out what he could do. It's a mess. The whole thing's a mess. But it was a very unifying moment, Defe. It was as good a day in a positive laughing comedic sense, as I've seen on X in ages. You are the fifth or sixth person to say that along with me and others. Like, there was something in the air yesterday. Because there was also all the Winona Ryder stuff going on. There was so much stuff going on that I was on X all day, just laughing.

It was great. It was amazing. It's good for you. Let's get some of the memes up. All right. It's time. Did we have a stew finer? Yeah, there's a Stu Feiner.

And then this was a fun one. Your first day at J.P. Morgan. Yeah, this is the Stu Feiner one. POV, you just got hired at J.P. Morgan. Let's get Stu some sound. Stu from episode 357, if you know, you know. Real 15, 15, 30 moment for JP. Oh, for sure.

That's an if you know, you know. Definitely the wildest clip. We got two more in here. This is what I was trying to show you. Oh, yes. This is a great example of that there are people who like that. Yeah, I don't think we can show this deep. No?

Yeah, it's going to get demonetized. Okay, yeah, that makes sense. But it is a dominatrix. Yeah, with her pup. Yeah. That's what you would call that man right there. He's a pup. Yep.

Get on your bed. Yeah. Eat a treat. Eat a treat. This is my favorite. P.O. You're eating. Uh, P.O.V. You're a junior banker and Jamie Morgan and your MD wants to have a performance

chat. I mean, that crush, dude. 3.2 mil. That's a good one. Shout out velvet milk man. It's moments like these that actually do give me a little hope for the world. Even though the case involves sexual assault, which, you know, it's not good, but like the fun that has came out of this and like the day of laughter, this, it does give me a little bit of hope. And I mean that very unironically. It's a big day for banks. Well, you got to have your money somewhere. It's a big day for banks.

This is... I was driving into the Holland Tunnel earlier. And the JP Morgan Chase building is right there as you're driving. Oh, yeah. He's just looking up at it like, man. Yeah. That place holds secrets. We will do the FISA stuff next week.

I'm sorry to say we might get to that today. There was just too much on the bone. And we'll probably do some Erica Kirk next week. Because, again, I sat that one out for a long time. You can't sit it out anymore. It is what it is. It is off in every possible way. And really just like, you know, sad.

Yeah, that's probably the most. We didn't even talk about the White House correspondents that are in the shit that happened. But Jack Mack and I did. in episode 416 that came out today, which means yesterday when you're watching this on Friday, certainly wild times. I do want to talk about this whole fucking ballroom thing at some point, too, because it just seems like a real fucking knee-jerk go-to line that they've thrown out for months now. Yeah, without getting like, um, heady or anything, I just think if you look at it logically,

it just seems strange the way it's like they always have to like slip it in there it's very off yeah yeah it's just very off it's been a real talking point for trump too yeah i just i i i don't like it it smells yeah so we will get to all that thank you for being patient with the laughs today again if for some reason that's all true we in the future we'll apologize for that but i don't believe a fucking word of that that'll be my first front facing video i'll have to make uh hey guys This is Diff from Julian Dore. Yeah, shout out to Lorna. You know.

Yeah, good luck. Good luck. And I'm sorry that happened to you. But in the right ways through things you didn't do, you're going to be a let. It's going to get better. Yeah. You're going to be a legend from this. Yeah.

I don't really know. You know, I. It's, it's not about where you're going. It's about where you end up. That's right. You know? That's right. The road to hell is paved.

The road to heaven is paved. The road to heaven is paved with hell. Yeah. I just came up with that. If you want to be a tree that grows to heaven, your roots must be rooted in hell. On that note, Jeffrey Epstein didn't kill himself. He's probably still alive. And we will see you guys next week.

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