Julian Dorey Podcast - #419 - “Complete FAKE!” - Erika Kirk, Bioweapon COVERUP, Elon Musk & $39 Trilly BOMB | Clint Russell

Episode Date: May 8, 2026

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Looking like a real Erica Kirk in here today. Oh, this is how we're opening. This is how we're opening up. This is how we're going to do it. Yeah, man. Look, I didn't kill my husband, and this is why I'm wearing elite-level sniper gear. Oh, my God, man. I've stayed out of a lot of that, obviously, because, like, it's one of the more controversial talked about things.

But, you know, there's just no doubt at this point. Something is extremely off there. What it is, how deep it goes, I don't know. I couldn't tell you. I'm not the guy investigating it. like other people are like Candace Owens and some of the people have really looked into this but like I mean you know the eye test the eye test is like come on doesn't smell good that's for sure look I've done I don't know probably 10 episodes on this topic at this point my audience would

love for me to do infinity episodes on it but it's like I I'm genuinely uncomfortable about it because yes if she is genuinely not involved which I think there's a very high probability that she's not, the worst thing you could possibly do is just be dunking on this lady left and right. Even though she's got like the PR chops of, I don't know, a potato or something, like she's just not good at what she's doing. And it's just tragic that she's been put into this position on top of losing her husband, even if she wasn't involved, just making her the CEO of this major organization. She's just so ill-equipped for it at this point. But anyways, less about Erica, more about the actual attack.

I mean, have you dug into it decently? Start it to a little bit. Okay. I mean, the story does not add up in any way. Just even like at the beginning, before you get to the details of who, what, when, where, how. Like, they made it a federal case. This is a kid who was in state who came in state to do an in-state killing. Right there, that should be like, all right, why did they do that?

And then you get to the facts. Did they make it federal? They made it fit because Cash Patel was coming in there and, like, the feds were investigating it. Yeah, you're right. But they brought the charge. at the state level and the feds bowed out. So I think it is they bow out. Yeah, well, they like, they did that press conference, but as far as I know, the charges are being brought by local DAs. It's all local. So like the sheriff's office is involved. So I agree with you. It's very

interesting that like Patel, you had that big jacket controversy where we had to get the, you know, ladies medium before he get off his plane. But then you've also got a lot of weirdness with like Erica allegedly waiting on the tarmac for Andrew Colvert to arrive when she's allegedly prepared to go to the hospital to see her deceased husband and she waits over an hour. It's like, these are just things that you don't do. You don't do. You don't do. I mean, straight up.

Anybody who's, even if you've just had a significant other, you don't even have to be married to know, if they are in jeopardy, there's nothing that's going to stop you from getting to them. That's right. Immediately. So I don't know, man. It, uh, I've studied it a lot. I mean, just go down some of the things.

I mean, the 30 out six angle makes absolutely no sense. I'm not some professional hunter or anything, but I've shot a lot of guns. And sorry, I don't buy that. Then on top of that, you've got this 30 out six, which gets dismantled, uh, excuse me, it's a Mouser 98, fires 30 out six, gets dismantled, left in the woods over there. they have a gun dog, like a sniffer,

right, walks right past it. This is the alleged murder weapon, just got shot, just got fired less than an hour prior. And you've got a trained

dog that doesn't spot it. But it does get spotted after the feds arrive. I'm just saying. I'm just saying. And then, and then add it into it, the fact that every assassination,

like every high level political assassination in American history, it's never it's never the story that we're told ever but this is the one time this is the one time that we're not allowed to question it and it's another one that's on video too and now it's in the modern era unlike kennedy where there's only one angle we have all these different angles they had the camera rigged up behind him as well in like 4k that i think did i see the candace owens got a hold of some of that footage yeah she did i'm not making that up that's real so she actually got that and it looks strange and look because at 30 again i'm going off of the really smart gun guys

that know a lot more about that than I do. But most of those guys that I've either talked with or heard break it down who I don't know online, they're like, it would have blown, it literally would have taken at that distance his head off of his neck. There would be nothing left. Hey guys, if you're not following me on Spotify, please hit that follow button and leave a five-star review.

They're both a huge, huge help. Thank you. I'm not sure that it would have actually done that, but it would have done enough damage that it's not what you see there. Like, I mean, from the rear view, you can see his body shake, obviously, because he gets struck with something. But just the fact that that round doesn't penetrate is shocking beyond belief. I mean, the neck, it's not even angled at his spine, first off. It's angled at his neckline.

You would think that it would have just gone through and through. But it didn't, which is why a lot of people believe that there was a charge underneath his shirt with the microphone. I'm not so sure about that. That was kind of my original hypothesis. I've come off of that now, but I'm still very much open to all ideas. And then really, you know, once you study his evolution, ideologically, politically, speaking out against, you know, October 7th was when he really started to get a lot of hate because he went on PBD and he said it very, very boldly.

He's like, I'm not buying it. I've been there. I've been there, Patrick. I think he said something like that. You see how he said it, too? He like, I'm going to use it. I mean, he was really fucking struggling with. I remember that.

Well, because he knew. I mean, he knows he's not supposed to be saying that. Yeah. But he also knows that it's so obvious that he would be a liar if he didn't at least point it out. Like, you've got, in my opinion, probably the most highly defended or defensible border in the world next to North Korea. And you got dudes on paragliders coming across like Ewalks and spend. and hours taking out people before you have any serious military response? How?

Crazy. How is that even possible? So Charlie Kirk just asked the obvious question. He didn't make an allegation. He didn't say it definitively, but he was just like, this doesn't sit right with me. The same thing that a lot of us are doing when it comes to his own assassination, right? And I think that's the honorable thing to do. I don't think it makes you a bad person.

That is why I've been a defender of Candace Owens and Baron Coleman. I've had him on my show. I like the guy a lot. I think these are genuine people that are very inquisitive and they're digging for the truth. It doesn't mean they get everything right. And I wouldn't go about it the same way that some of them have. But I appreciate it because I don't trust the FBI. Why would I?

I don't trust the local sheriff's office. Like, what are we talking about? Why are we trusting these people? We just had the Epstein cover up and you're telling me to shut up about the highest-level political assassination of my lifetime. I can't assume a guy who was getting funded by Israel donors to the tune of massive amounts of massive. Massive. Massive. And he flips on them publicly, says, I want the Epstein files released. He says, I don't trust the story with October 7th. And then he dies 60 days later. And I can't connect those dots.

Absolutely, you should be able to connect those. And that's, that was the thing. You know, I'm similar. I don't know if you were referring to Candace, but I never have been a huge fan of Candace's style on how she does things. It's just me. It's a different taste. I've talked to. about that in the past. But the fact that she was drawing some lines between all of the buildup specifically in what you said, and especially the last 60 days, be it what he said to Dave Smith for an hour conversation off camera before that debate in July, I think with the Josh Hammer guy, be it the meeting in the Hamptons that was certainly strange to say the least, be it the donors pulling money like you said two days before, you know, walks like a duck quacks like a duck, fucks like a duck. It's usually a duck. or at least it has a good chance

of being a duck or a demented fucking goose. I don't know. And then you also have his text messages. Yeah, exactly. In the 24 to 48 hours prior, he's sending both to his security team saying he thinks he's going to get taken out, are going to be killed.

Candice has alleged this repeatedly. And then you also have him basically doubling down and saying, I have no choice but to abandon the perusal car. He says it's 48 hours before he catches a bullet. And we're all supposed to be like, no connection. You're a lunatic if you think there's a connection. He was being funded by massive Zionist donors, both American and Israeli.

And then 40 hours prior, he says, I'm out. I can't do this. And he dies. It's the most obvious motive that exists. I'm sorry, it is. That doesn't mean that that's why or how he got murdered. That doesn't mean that. But if you're not going to allow the public to at least have that discussion,

you're just lying to them. Like they have to be able to discuss that. So that's why I like Candice. You wonder if that's the point sometimes? How so? They want it. They, you know, people that are very strong, hardcore pro-Israel people kind of want to create that narrative to where it's them against the world because then it creates some sort

of synergistic bond, which is a fucked up way doing it to be very clear. But do you ever wonder if that's the point? I think about that a lot. Yeah. I think about that a lot when it comes to the least. up to World War II as well. I mean, a lot of people believe that there was a real desire to get Jewish people fearful so that they would move to Israel. I haven't studied it enough to make that claim definitively. But that's the thing. You get powerful people in any group who decide

that they're above everyone else. They'll use all their own people to start with as pawns completely. And we've seen that in history again and again. If that were the case with something like that, where there were even some small role that some people could have played to try to create an end mean or an end goal like that then that's dark as fuck I mean it's hot because they let they let millions of their people die for that well yeah it's it's evil beyond words but I mean this is not this is not pure you know armchair conspiracy theorizing you have the belford declaration I mean you have the most wealthy Zionist banking family the Rothschilds that are essentially being offered this land as as recompense for being the financiers

in the World War. And they got their country. And the crazy thing is that it was promised to, I think the Turks and maybe the Egyptians, that landmass was promised. It's like no one even cared about the Palestinians that was there already. I mean, it was just crazy. But I mean, that's how you, I think that's really how the world works, though. It's not so much about, you know, they say possessions nine-tenths the law.

Like, bullshit it is. Like, power is nine-tenths of the law, really. Yeah. That other tenth is a big tenth. Right. You know? Yeah. That's the real tent.

That's the one that counts. Yeah. Some COVID math tenth, if you will. Speaking of, Rand Paul said that we've got, I believe, six days left until the statute of limitations runs out on Anthony Fauci for lying to Congress. Really? Yeah. Ooh, that's going quietly under the radar. Yep.

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See, that's the smallest charge too of charges you could or should bring against that guy. No kidding. It's crazy. Yeah. I mean, imagine. I don't know if I can safely say this. You can beat me if you need to do. I mean...

I think we crossed that bridge about 10 minutes ago. Yeah, that's true, that's true. Fair point. To me, this has all been rather teffid, but, you know... Listen, I'm just a YouTuber. What are you going to do? Look, I mean, Fauci obviously created a bio weapon.

He funded a bio weapon. I'm not saying that... The gain of function stuff? Yeah, the gain of function research in the Wuhan Institute of Phrology. Like, that was banned under Obama. Yeah. It was banned.

It was illegal. And he still... found a way. Darpa even rejected that funding program. They thought it was too dangerous. And then it was it was it was banned domestically so they were forced to offshore it. And that's the reason it ended up in the Wuhan Institute of Rology. But that work began in Canada. It began in the United States. I mean, it is a decade plus long program. And Fauci was in charge of that for those decades. He's been basically in that position since the 80s or something crazy like that. So He knew all of it.

I mean, to believe that the guilt, the highest little of guilt that Anthony Fauci holds is that he lied to Congress, you got to be out of your fucking mind. Like, he's responsible for the death of millions of people. He's responsible for the transfer of the largest amount of human wealth in history. Like, that's what the lockdowns were. They transferred trillions and trillions and trillions and trillions of dollars from the poor and middle class to the wealthiest amongst us. And it hasn't stopped. it's still it's still tilting further away because young people can't afford houses and that's not changing and that's because the currency was debased because of the spending bill that they passed in 2020

and then you think about everything that happened in the 11 12 years before that quantitative easing and just inflating away the currency even before you get to a huge moment like that where they go yeah you know I used to have this quote that I didn't invent someone way smarter me invented this but I would repeat it all the time when I worked on Wall Street and was talking people about money. I'm like, the really shitty reality that you learn is that it takes money to make money. So you just go back to 0809 financial crisis, for example, look at the people who recovered by 2012, 2013 and we're doing okay. Those are people that, yeah, they lost a lot of money percentage wise on the way down like everyone else, but they had enough of a nut to start with. They didn't lose their whole 401k

and have to start at zero and then be able to make nothing. And the Twilight years heading into retirement. Well, I came out of college in 08, right into the teeth of the recession. Oh, shit. Yeah, and I was a mortgage broker, so I was actually responsible for liquidating foreclosed assets. So I saw the absolute worst of it. And it was terrible. Liquidating foreclosed assets.

Yeah, which is, a.k.a. kicking people out of their homes and selling them to recoup the lender's money. What's that like having to go up to someone? You have a job to do, right? couldn't pay their mortgage. The home is now no longer theirs, according to the contract of the bank, no matter how unfair this is, and the system certainly wasn't fair in a way. But like, what's that like being a 22, 23-year-old kid and you've got to walk up to some family and be like, yeah, you're going to leave? It's awful. I mean, it's awful. Obviously, I still, like, particularly because I worked for a private lender, so the people that were lending out that money,

they were retirees. This wasn't, this wasn't conventional lending where you had a banker, that might take a loss or a haircut. These were like retired people that if they don't get their money back, they may starve. Right. So I had a fiduciary responsibility to them to make sure that I defended their capital. So as bad as it made me feel to have to, you know, get the sheriff to come kick people out periodically. Usually people would agree voluntarily to leave.

But anytime it went down to the wire like that, it felt terrible, felt awful. But really what it did to me, was it radicalized me against central banking because I saw firsthand the human carnage that it creates. Can you explain that more like what about that and particularly made you so radical against the central banking? Well because central banking is kind of a nebulous concept for most people, you know, you don't actually see the homeless person created by the Fiat process, right? This is this took the theoretical kind of Austrian school, which is

which is what I come from in a libertarian vein, and it just made it very real to me. So you were already libertarian at that time coming out of college. Second-gen libertarian, my dad. Second-out. Yeah. That's awesome. So very rare.

My dad actually ran for Congress twice in the 90s in San Diego. Wow. He didn't win, obviously, because he ran as a libertarian. But, yeah, I knew about Ron Paul in the 90s. I was a big Ron Paulian guy. And then when the Ron Paul Revolution came about, I was just like, oh, my. God, this is incredible. It's happening. It didn't actually happen, but there was a moment there.

I think Thomas Massey's the next guy, but maybe we can do that later. But anyways, the thing about the central banking is like, so I understood very, I understood kind of intuitively what happens when you debase the currency, but I didn't understand, you know, experientially. I didn't actually get to like feel it, see it. And once I saw it, it was like, oh man, this is not. This is not theoretical anymore. Like, this is a really big deal. And it's the lowest amongst us, the worst off amongst us that suffer the most as a consequence of the monopoly that is central banking. And then I started to do the studying into what created the bubble.

And then you can watch Ron Paul's videos. Maybe you can drop one in here from, I think, 0506. He's warning about the real estate bubble. and he's explaining very explicitly that it's all a product of maintaining interest rates too low for too long, which is what the Fed chair, I think it was Bernanke at the time, was guilty of. And he became chair, I want to say, in 07. Maybe I made that up. We should check that.

So it may have been green span. So it may have been green span. Yeah. I mean, during the collapse, I know it was Bernanke, may have been green span. Regardless, they're all guilty of the same thing. But point being, you keep rates low that long. And then that was even prior to the QE concept. They weren't really debasing the currency heavily pre-08.

It got crazy after 08, and we thought that it could never get any worse. Little did we know that would be the least printing that we've seen in the rest of our lives, because as soon as 2020 rolls around, we start printing the tune of trillions. So it's, and I think the bailout in 08, which was the biggest economic crisis that I thought I'd live through, was $800 billion. We're now doing that during peacetime, during positive economic times, We're doing more than that today. It's bonkers.

It's insane. You know what I can't get over? I remember when I would like follow the markets when I was in college, like 2014, 2015. And, you know, it would make sense when the economy took a step back. Like if there'd be a period where gas prices went way up or things like that, the stock market, maybe not lockstep day by day, but it would follow in percentage points. Because it was still at that point somewhat, air quotes, representative. of the real economy of real people. What you've seen since COVID,

and you actually saw it by the end of March with COVID, when the stock market took the big bump up and no one could lose, is that the stock market to me, and I'm just saying this from 30,000 feet in the air without going into specific details to get myself in trouble. But it has decorrelated

from the average man's economic interests. Case in point right now, gas is sitting a fucking six bucks a gallon, whatever it is. It hurts. I mean, you go to fucking gas. stage, I'm like, holy shit, filling up the tank. Yet the stock market is up right now. Right. Because the people that are most participating and who have bought the largest

percentage of it and have the biggest opportunity to make money are the people who that affects the least because they got private jets and it costs a little more, but their interest is going to pay for it. Yeah. Well, and here's the real dark aspect of this is that people may not like this, that they should if they understood economics properly, they would love this. When the government does bad things, the economy should hurt. Like that actually should, if you're functioning in a healthy way, if the government, if the government decides to lock down the global economy, there should be rationing and extraordinary pricing and all sorts of crazy things because that's the market trying to adapt

to the intervention that the government is forced upon us. But the government has now basically written itself a blank check where they passed, I believe it was $4 trillion in spending in 2020, that it was basically just put a bull market into what should have been a depression. Yes. I mean, that's so psychotic I can't even put into work. And then it also, because it buoyes the system, it makes you feel as if things are better than they really are, you don't understand how much of a price you're ultimately paying.

So it allows for the righteous anger that should be direct. at our Congress, at the president, at our local governors who were the real, you know, dictators when it came to the lockdown portion of things, it allows for them to get away with murder and sometimes literally. Yes. Because the, it disconnects the causality. It makes it so you don't actually see that, hey, I can't eat because of these lockdowns, like, which is what should have happened.

And it's, it's unfortunate because they're smart. I mean, there's one thing you've got to give them credit is that they know how to get away with, you know, the largest transfer of wealth in human history and the death of millions. And we all just move on like it never even happened. You know, there's, there was this book in 2018. I've talked about a bunch before since the beginning of recording the podcast, early episodes. But Stephen Pinker wrote Enlightenment Now, you know, obviously Pinker gets shit because he knew Epstein, like fucking seemingly every person at every person at, Harvard, but the book nonetheless is a very interesting concept and really good because basically what he's doing is he's making a case overall, not in like five-year periods or 10-year periods,

but just over the past, I forget, it's been a while, but maybe the past three, four thousand years of human history, just measuring basic metrics around the world globally of like statistics about the quality of life that people have. Could be sustenance, access to water, access to housing, whatever. And every chart, it's not like they go like this over time. They go like this, but they go up. And they go way up. And his point was that we're in some moments right now where it doesn't feel like things are the best they've ever been. Yet statistically overall, they are and we have to fix a few things. But to his credit, one of the things that he was extremely concerned about that I think about literally once a day, every day, is he went and

pulled this chart basically from the beginning of the 1980s on that I'm going to oversimplify right now because I don't have it in front of me, but essentially it was showing the death of the middle class. It showed a giant V form slowly at first and then wider and wider as the years went on when it showed the wealth gap between maybe it was like the bottom 97% in the top three, something like that. And when you see that, you realize that these, you know, these inflationary type, they're not laws, these policies they put in, if you will, willy-nilly. These are the things that cause this. That's like the common denominator.

That's the most important point right there. This is what all the socialists in America get wrong, is that they see income inequality and they say it's capitalism. Every libertarian looks at income inequality, and they go, well, is it naturally derived income inequality that's based off of effort and a meritocratic system? Or is it income inequality that's being created because of central banking, because of cronyism, because of adjacent citizens, to the government proximity.

And the answer is obviously the latter. The income inequality is created because if you want to be the richest people on earth, even Elon, who I've got a lot of respect for, he's the richest man in human history because of his government contracts. Yes. Like, he's not where he's at without that. Not to say that he wouldn't be very wealthy and very

successful without going down the government contractor route. But let's just be honest. You're right. He's not the richest man in human history if he didn't do that. And that's the same thing with almost every major Fortune 500 company. They've got some sort of government contract or some sort of intelligence agency tie going to NQTEL, the funding that starts many of these corporations from, I mean, Palantir. Yeah, Palantir.

By the way, their first and only client for many years was the DoD. It's like, oh, that's a private corporation. Nothing to see there. Really? But yeah, this is what's creating the income inequality is that it's just, like, it's actually much more in alignment. with the fascism described by Mussolini, that it's the embedding of state and corporate power, or the wedding of the two.

Yes. And I think that's really what we're living through. And this is not to say that I'm anti-capitalism. I'm not. I'm arguing that this is not capitalism. That we're doing it wrong. Like you can't even have a free market. You can't have proper market signals

as long as you have a fiat currency. It's just nonsensical. Obviously, if you have a capacity to, undermine and print, you know, at an infinite item, you're never going to be able to get a proper market signal. And that the ripple effects that that creates to the rest of the economy, that's ultimately why I shut down my mortgage company, by the way, is that I recognize that I could no longer forecast into the future properly because I was like, this is all bullshit. When was that? What year did you show you?

2020. Whoa. I mean, you remember that obviously you were in it like the housing market. fucking boomed of people just buying houses and value going up at the time that the world should be taking a shit, like you said. Yeah. Well, that's why I got out because I thought the world should be taking a shit. Yep. Because if you shut down, I mean, people forget this, but we shut down like half of the economy. Yes. I mean, it was extraordinary. So in a regular free market system, you would have, I mean, it should have been a depression, but at minimum a severe recession.

severe, the most severe we've ever experienced, far surpassing 08-09. But we didn't get that. Well, that would have been in depression then. Yeah, yeah, and it should have been. But it wasn't because they printed $4 trillion, and they tried to pass it without a vote. Thomas Massey was the only guy, the only congressman that stood up. Oh, I don't remember that. Summer of 2020.

He said, he said, like I stand in this room today to make sure. sure democracy or something like that doesn't die in darkness. It's profound if he wants to pull it up. But he they were trying to pass the largest spending bill in human history. Without a vote. How does that even work? That's like against the Constitution completely. Well, it was because of lockdowns. They had special rules that were in place. Oh, never let a good crisis go to waste. Yeah. Well, they didn't. Oh, that's why we got to talk about that FISA thing later. Just made me think of that. Real quick, deep, before we play the Massey one, can we actually play the Ron Paul one that Clint suggested. This is Ron Paul in like 0506 basically calling what happened with the housing market.

Yep. He's 07. 07. Oh, so it's the year prior. Yeah, right before. I mean, but he had been doing it for 0506. All right. Let's see this. Instead, Congress chooses to blame the analysts for misleading investors. The analysts may not be entirely blameless, but their role in creating the bubble is minimal compared to the misleading information. that the Federal Reserve has provided with artificially low interest rates and a financial market made flush with generous new credit at every sign of correction over the past 10 years. By preventing the liquidation of bad debt and the elimination of malinvestment and overcapacity, the Federal Reserve's actions have kept the financial bubble inflated. Of course, it's an easy choice on the short run.

who would deliberately allow the market tendency to deflate back to stability. That would be politically unacceptable. Talk of sound money and balanced budgets is just that. When the economy sinks, the rhetoric for sound policy and a strong dollar may continue. But all actions by the Congress and the Fed will be directed toward reinflation and a congressional spending policy oblivious to all the promises regarding a balanced budget and the preservation of Social Security and Medicare trust funds. But if the Fed and its chairman, Alan Greenspan,

have been able to guide us out of every potential crisis all the way back to the stock market crash of 1987, why shouldn't we expect the same to happen once again? Mainly because there's a limit to how long the monetary charade can be perpetuated. Now it looks like the international financial system. built on paper money is coming to an end. Modern day globalism since gold demise 30 years ago. He was just hitting everything.

...you were too young to really understand what he was saying back then, I bet. International redistribution and management of wealth through the IMF, the World Bank and the WTO have promoted this new version of globalism. This type of globalism depends on trusting central bank. bankers to maintain currency values and the international institutions to manage trade equitably while bailing out weak currency. Yeah, he's cooking.

There's a lot on the bone there. Yeah. What he's saying has now played out on an exponential basis compared to what he was saying. Right, because he was giving kind of a shorter horizon warning. And he, mind you, for the audience to say, he was right a year later. He absolutely nailed the timing on that. but it's only gotten much worse and thank God Dr. Paul

is still with us but this is why he's such a like almost deified figure in our movement is that his predictions based off of our philosophy and our ideology they just being proven right time and time again you know

compare that to the Fed's predictions and prognosticating and see who's got the better track record I assure you it's the Austrians so that's anyways you know because I come from this school of thought and I went into the mortgage field, you can understand the confluence of those two factors in my life, how formative that would be to see the human carnage

that it creates, already understanding the kind of duplicitousness that is central banking from its inception. Right. And already rejecting that kind of on a fundamental level, but then to actually, you know, see the human pain is just like, oh, I mean, it takes you from theoretically hating to like being radicalized well you're also paying you're you're you're actually paying attention to it even if you're not living in the middle like kensington philadelphia like you understand what this is because you've clearly for many years you saw it up close with the with the housing crisis for sure like literally at the front doors but like now you track what that does to the rest of society and the people on the edges which is most of us by the way as far as like not being in the 1% and it's almost like

that concept, it's so dark, but it's completely true what you say about these guys will just make these decisions because they don't have to look or they don't have to go visit about how it affects people downstream. And it's all the same every time. Whether you're talking about bankers who just on a Tuesday have some meeting with 13 of them in a closed room and be like, yeah, let's make rates fucking 5% instead of 3% today. And then, you know, a hundred million people or 100 people commit suicide a week later because of that for some reason, because it affects their life and they lose their job, they don't feel it. Anthony Fauci says, wear you mask from behind a fucking desk somewhere talking to Anderson Cooper on CNN while they have death counters on the side

and then people lock themselves inside. They become drug addicts because they've no purpose in life and they lost their job and lost everything. He doesn't have to see that death, but he's, he is an indirect cause of it in a way. It's the same story every time. Yeah, well, I would even argue he's a direct cause. Yeah, that's fair. You know, like it's, the causality is challenging to prove in a court of law. Right. But it's very hard to argue that that there wouldn't, that there aren't inherently going to be tradeoffs when you lock down the economy when you make children social distance.

The psychological effects are still are still being felt by that generation. I've got two younger or half-brothers and they, I mean, they were, I think they were graduating high school in 2020 or they were like juniors or seniors. I mean, it fucked up that whole generation bad, dude. And like, I don't, I don't think that they. recovered honestly. And I don't think we really felt the consequences from that intervention. But really the, I mean, the other really important thing to note is that because the currency is predicated off of, as you said, those 12 guys sitting around the table, it's worse than that,

really, because they set interest rates, but they also add to the currency supply too, periodically. But the paradigm that that creates is that because you expect your purchasing power to diminish annually, it requires you to deploy capital into riskier and riskier assets. That's what Dr. Paul was talking about with malinvestment. So if you don't allow for the economy to ever correct, which is what they did in 2020, it should have been a major correction. It creates more and more malinvestment. And I would argue that the most rife market for malinvestment at this current junction is going to be AI.

And people are going to look back on this. And I promise you, I will look like I'm Ron Paul a few years from now because, yes, there will be a winner or two. But there is going to be trillions that are wasted in that. In that bubble shit. Yeah, exactly. It's going to be the 01 collapse. And I totally agree. It's just a given.

It's a given. Yeah. It reminds me of a way bigger version of like the whole 2017, early 2018 blockchain buzz. Just stick blockchain on it. Yeah. What does it do? Don't worry about it. Yeah.

They don't even know. They don't have a fucking clue. They got no clue. And it's like, you know there's some sort of use case for this that's great. But most people are like blockchain this, blockchain that. You're like, yeah, I feel like that's like fairest, you know. Yeah. And just to, you know, clarify, I think AI is going to revolutionize the world in a lot of

ways that are very positive in a lot of very, very scary ways. So I'm not saying that it's like... Oh, I know exactly what you're saying. Yeah. Yeah. I just wanted to clarify. It's like, I'm not like, oh, AI is way overhyped and it's not going to do much. Like, no, I think it's going to change fucking everything.

But that doesn't mean that all these investments are prudent. And it doesn't mean that these investments would be getting made at the scale that they are, if not for their adjacency, their access to capital thanks to central banking. So the malinvestment, the bubble that it's creating is going to hurt a lot of a lot of people. And it's just a story that we live through over and over again. But the real key that I keep trying to get back to is that because you expect your currency to be debased every year, it forces you to invest. What's the one thing that has kept, like particularly the boomer generation above water, housing? That was the one thing that they were able to get access to to turn

all of these middle class or upper middle class people into the upper class oftentimes because they bought a home for $40,000 back in 1975 and they retired in 2020 and they're they're millionaires. This generation can't fucking do that. They can't they can't get a starter home where I'm from in San Diego was starter home $750,000. It's insane. Like you've got to be you got to basically be a millionaire to get a home to try and keep your head above water. So this is why Dr. Paul is really right now that as you said that was 07. This is almost 20 years later. It's way, we're way longer in the tooth now. Pure spec right here. Sure. But if I wanted to long-term control population in society, I would inflate away money to the

point that people would not be able to own anything and that children themselves would be a financial decision. That would be the number one way I would do it. Well, pure spec, you're right. that's exactly what they've done. I believe that that's exactly what's happening, especially when you tie into kind of the World Economic Forum, a lot of the rhetoric that comes out of those... I'm a big fan of those people. They're great.

Yeah, I'm sure. Just trying to keep your YouTube channel alive. Fuck you, Klaus. Yeah, right? He's not even there, allegedly. I think his spirit's still there. Yeah, well, he got such bad PR. Well, he left his vegan dog.

her behind. Like, she's still there. Oh, I didn't even know that. Yeah, yeah. She does something. We can look it up deep. I'm not a fan of the Schwabs. But, but, you know, the point I was getting to was that the World Economic Forum, like a lot of their speakers, they talked about that pretty openly. You know, population bomb or like the dangers that come with population increasing and just everything, everything that goes along with the Fiat system requires population increase because it's all based off of Social Security, all these things are essentially Ponzi schemes. If you don't have as many or more people paying into them annually to maintain the benefits to the people who are no longer paying into it, well, then the Ponzi ends. Yes. Naturally, right? So you have these people who believe

that the population must decline, but simultaneously want central banking to, you know, dictate everything. And it's like, all right, well, then the only conclusion I can come to is that you're trying to starve and destroy us. Yes. Because that's the inevitable conclusion of these dual actions that you're taking. Here's what I don't understand, Clint. And it goes back to a similar point we were making earlier about what is the point of all this?

Like, why would you do this stuff? Back in the day, the W.EFs in the world, they met in their private Davos retreats. There weren't even paparazzi allowed there, let alone rolling cameras. Now they put rolling cameras everywhere to even catch like the Indian like huddle dances and shit that they have in between their. breakout sessions. And they say these things, almost like turning to the camera and saying it right there, that they know are going to clip to shit on social media so that millions of people around the world can see, but they still say it. They still do it openly. Like, I don't know if that,

if it's like some sort of 5D chest thing or if they're literally saying, yeah, you know, fuck you. We're going to do all this. And you ain't going to do shit about it. You're even going going to know about it. But you're not going to do shit about it. Right. Well, you can read it a couple ways. And this is actually what I think about all the time, because I'm not sure. But you can go down to Alex Jones and Tucker Carlson wrote, like, these are demonically possessed people. That's a distinct possibility. It's the crazy as it sounds. But like, it's so irrational what they're doing, and it's so obviously puts a target on their back from the masses as they wake up to what's happening. Like, it's very dangerous what they're doing to just be like out in the open. Like,

yeah, we want you to have less kids. You know? It's like, You're my enemy, dude. Right. As soon as you say anything fucking close to that, you're, you're not just my enemy. You're my mortal enemy. I agree. Like forever. You're trying to end my bloodline.

Yes. That says, that's genocidal. I mean, that's genocidal rhetoric, right? And they say so proudly. So the fact that they say so, say it so, you know, brazenly makes you conclude either they're demonically possessed, they're ideologically possessed clearly. Or, and this is probably the scariest. option is that they believe that they have the Panopticon in place.

The Panopticon. Yeah. The Technographic Panopticon, it's basically a control structure that controls everything. That the AI interface is paired with robotics and surveillance and everything else, that they believe that a revolution is already been subdued. That we cannot, like, we can't successfully rise up. I doubt it. I doubt that they're right about that.

but I would say I would say 10 years from now they'll probably be right about that well here's the issue that I think about because I don't know the answer but you know you look at the research of people like Annie Jacobson when she was writing books about DARPA a decade ago

you know in people that she talked to they were telepathically talking to dolphins in 19 fucking 92 when do you think they got their basic chat GPT 95 you know what I mean which means if they had it in 95 are we just already living through their fucking hellscape simulation right now we don't even know it like we're just video game nodes and like claus swabs like oh fuck these people

from the men in black suite like what are we doing man the programmer's got a six sense of humor if we're already in the simulation i guess so it look it's possible i mean Elon even said he's like odds odds favorite you know i don't like how he says that no i don't either but he's right i mean if there's ever going to be one that exists odds are that we do exist in it already i just i kind of it's like my belief in god i choose i choose to not believe that. I think it's very, it's very nihilistic. I agree. So I'm just like, I reject that. Oh, thank you. Yeah, I feel like, and this might sound dumb, but like, if it were actually all for nothing, I wouldn't want to know because I wouldn't live my life the way I live it. Because it's like life is the coolest thing ever. Exactly. It's just the coolest fucking thing ever. And I would rather live in that one respect than some ignorant bliss. Bingo. That's exactly how I view it. And I think that's how.

like any healthy ideology has to take that in consideration. Like even if certain things are true, does accepting them and making them your outlook actually benefit your life? Right. And it's like maybe simulation theory is true, but it's not going to make me fucking happier. It's not going to make me more productive.

That's for sure. So I'm just like, no. I'm not going to do it. Have you seen some of these guys like the Elon's, what they've been coming out and saying in recent? years about, you know, 2027-ish. You see any of this? Well, go ahead and refresh.

There's a tweet I gave, Deep, do we have it? So this was a rehash of some things that Elon said in a Lex Friedman interview. And there's something in a suite where they say some lines were deleted. I don't know if that means he like YouTube editor it or something, but if you go to the top deep, I just want to. After 2027, there will be no way back. Elon Musk said this in a podcast with Lex Friedman, a line that was later cut. when asked why he fell silent for almost a minute.

Fuck, that's a scary minute. Then he quietly said, shout out to Lex for letting him sit there with that. That's pretty heavy. Then he quietly said, it's not a catastrophe. It's a transition. The transcript left behind three themes that gave him away. Autonomous intelligence, loss of meaning, and energy independence. It all sounded like a forecast, but now reads like a diagnosis of the era.

The first sign is the collapse of attention. Must said humanity will stop thinking in cycles. Planning for the future will shrink to the horizon of up. That line hits me hard. People will stop building and start simply replacing. MIT research confirms a generation born after 2000 holds attention for about eight seconds, less than a goldfish. I used to say that to a lessee, but he's gotten a lot better now. Musk called this cultural Alzheimer's. We're not losing memory. We're losing the ability to think. The second sign is artificial intelligence that no longer obeys. Must says when a system starts

correcting humans, that time of linear logic is over. Even now, algorithms decide who we date, what we buy and what we think about. This isn't a machine uprising. It's dissolution into convenience. People won't notice the moment when choice becomes an option, not a right. The third sign is energy dependence. Must explain civilization can no longer survive even a day without the electricity. By 2027, here it is, in his view, the balance will shift. Energy will become currency and control over it will become power. From that moment on, everything non-autonomous will disappear. This isn't an apocalypse. It's a change of biological form. At the end, he set a line that didn't make it on air. Technology is stronger than us, but not smarter.

As long as we have meaning, we are alive. Lose it and we become code. Then, after a pause, he added, we must learn to be human before systems learn to be gods. Are you ready for the transition or already living in a world where choices are made for you? Dude, those are some banger lines. I know. There's another clip that's going around of Eric Weinstein, who I've never met.

I never know what fully to make of them. He's like so close to Peter Thiel and all that. But he's on with Diary of a CEO. I guess in an interview in like the last year and it's like a funny delivery because it's almost like I guess Stephen Oh you're talking about the it's over clip

Yeah yeah where he's like I got this line for people Yeah I'm moving to Nashville It's over I'm moving to San Diego over Austin over He goes two years

2027 Yeah Get ready Yeah I'm like dude what are you saying You're you sit next to Peter Thiel What the fuck are you saying I know

I know and you think Elon doesn't know Tiel as well That's what I'm saying He knows him about very fucking, they go all the way back. Well, and then, then add to that, I know, I know Brett pretty well, Brett Weissland, Eric's brother. Yeah, yeah.

Love the guy, by the way. He's awesome. But he tragically shares my, you know, dire outlook. And I think, I think a lot of this is like, once you see these patterns and you see the people that are essentially dictating these, by the way, as much as I love that Elon does these rants and gives us these warnings periodically, you have to, you have to add to that. Elon is adding to this massively. Yeah.

I mean, he's pushing the AI edge very hard. You know, the whole ex-GROC interface is essentially like self-training artificial intelligence that's going to replace us. It's like it just, it's always fascinating when you have someone who seems, and I take him at his word that he seems sincerely interested in humanity and survival and, you know, making us interplanetary and all these other great things. And his own neurodivergent way. Right. But then he's also like, he's also adding to the, adding fuel to this, I guess, maybe he just views this as inevitable. So he's like, I'm better than these other lunatic billionaires that are getting involved. So you prefer me to be the guy at the top?

I don't know. I'd love to ask him that question because it just seems like he sees all of the dangers that are coming from some of the things that he's creating, but he doesn't stop. And nobody that's involved in AI seems to stop or almost nobody does, even though many of the dangers. even though many of them are openly discussing, like, we don't know that we're not creating the Antichrist. Like, we don't know, but we're just going to keep going. We're just going to keep going. It's like the fucking Manhattan Project on steroids. Yo, yeah, a lot of steroids.

Yeah, it's scary. Did you ever read Super Intelligence by Bostrom? No, don't do so. Heavy read came out in like 2018. Not a fun read, important read. He basically, this guy's a genius, and he made a bunch of decision trees. of all the possibilities of artificial intelligence. Like he just went fucking nuts.

And one of the lead proponents of a book, and I think was actually the reason I went and read it was Elon Musk, his name's like in the cover writing about it because he was warning about AI so much at the time. And this book is a dire warning about the possibilities of AI that aren't good. And I kind of wonder where, when you see stuff like this, where that attitude moved from on

Elon Musk part moved from fear and let's stop this to like acceptance, fuck it, you know? That's the read I get from him, is that he's just like, this is inevitable. So I'm going to try and bring it about in a way that's as beneficial to humanity as possible. And he may be right about that. Like, I just want to be very clear. He's almost certainly more intelligent than me. That doesn't mean he's a better person than me, though. Like, no. We're banking on him being a better person than me, though, because he's going to have a fuck of a lot more power than I'm ever going to have. So it's really important that he's actually as good a person as he markets himself to be periodically. He gives me more reason to have faith in him than Peter Thiel, who when asked by Dutot, the New York Times reporter,

you know, do you think humanity should survive and fucking Peter Thiel does that minute long, minute long pregnant pause that Lex Friedman allowed for you? No. If you struggle to answer that question, I don't shoot fucking anywhere near the levers of power. And it kills me because Peter Thiel was a libertarian. And I want to like Peter Thiel. But my God, dude, if you can't answer that question, fuck you. When I was like really into the VC space and learning all about that and like obsessed with technology and how we were building it, certainly saw drawbacks to it as well.

But it was like, wow, there's a lot of cool stuff. you know he was like the hero of that space and then in the last three four years when you start to actually look at what the guy is doing not just in tech but like where his opinions are the people he lines up with the things they're doing even before we got to the Epstein stuff it was like damn i remember reading zero to one and thinking this guy spit now i'm thinking it's just fucking i was an idiot and this is just propaganda it's hard not to wonder that like was he ever a libertarian i doubt it i don't know i don't know i mean then you've also got Jack, the former CEO of Twitter, now X.

He's quiet. Well, he's very quiet, but I'm just saying, like, he censored us into oblivion, or he permitted it. But then even on that platform, years after, after he's, like, stepped down, he's posting fucking Rothbard anatomy of the state and doing all these, like, all these dog whistles to my libertarian brethren. And I'm just like, how are you guys, how can you see and like the things that I like? and not have had the backbone to fucking not censor us

during the most important time, maybe ever, during the lockdown era. How is that possible? I've had a theory about Jack for a long time. I'd never met the guy. I'd love to off air, be like, come on, tell me. Yeah. He never would.

But, you know, it doesn't change the fact that he was a part of there for so many bad decisions and clearly ended up, like, getting it wrong as the guy where the buck stops, at least publicly. But I actually thought that Jack really believed a lot of this freedom stuff and thought that if he would just kind of throw everyone else out in the fire who was actually the root cause of all the woke like censorship bullshit

by acting like he's their friend people would see it and it was like this 5D chest thing I don't know if I'm right about that but a good example would be when he had the whole thing with where they did the debate with Tim Poole in 2019 so that was like maybe four or five months or something like that after he went on and then people flipped out because Joe like didn't ask him some questions and Joe was like, all right, no problem. Brought on Tim Pool to like rail against everything that was said. It was basically like my cousin Vinnie. Everything that guy said bullshit. And then they and then Jack hit up Joe and said, yo, let's do a debate on this. But Jack brought that chick. I forget her name now. It's a really long name. Sorry. I think she was

the VP. Total moron. Yeah. Who and he got to sit there and just watch her cook in broad daylight. Like, I don't mean that in a good way. No, the only person cooking was Tim Poole was cooked her ass. Cooking her like a fucking Thanksgiving turkey. And I'm like, there's no way Jack didn't know that was going to happen. Oh, interesting. So you think he, all right, all right.

I like that. He sat back and just let her dry out in the sun, man. I mean, he was just like, man, I don't think she's got it. Oh, I mean, that's what really put Tim Poole, who's a friend of mine now. That's what put him on the map for me was that moment. It was so fucking great. And but see, the thing is like, I like your hypothesis, but then a year later, we're in lockdowns. Yep.

And he's letting his fucking platform just me personally. I suffered a lot. I had to, I was suspended countless times. You were suspended? Oh, all the time. For saying like COVID stuff. Yeah, talking about like the origin story, talking about the lab. Came from China.

Saying all the right shit, you know? They're like, unless you're willing to acknowledge that it came from a wet market, then we're going to suspend you. It's like, well, it didn't. You should have done a live stream video eating a bird saying this is where I'm going to get it right now. Yeah, well, and then, I mean, I also got, I got triple striked on YouTube and I only got brought back on because I successfully appealed the last one. And then I literally deleted my entire portfolio, which I don't think actually helps. But at the time, I didn't know that. And then I waited 90 days or six months to have the other two strikes to fall off, you know.

That's the only reason I have Liberty Lockdown today. Whoa. So I was gone. strike for. Oh, God, I can't remember. All of them were COVID stuff. That's wild, man. I mean, the name of my show was Liberty Lockdown.

Like, obviously, I'm talking about the lockdowns. I got to talk about the COVID origin. And I was right about it. So fuck all you. I like, I deserve reparations. Isn't that wild? Isn't that wild? Like, looking back on that era, the people who were cast aside the most were the most right.

Yeah. All of all. I mean. Basically, if you weren't being censored or suspended or whatever in 2020, 2021, you weren't even close to being right about shit. Like, not even close. You had to have your tinfoil on if you were going to figure out anything during that period because it was a mass global psychological operation ran against the world.

So if you think you're going to get the fucking truth from Fox News or Ben Shapiro, for that matter, but I repeat myself, you're not going to get the fucking truth. Sorry, it's just the reality. No, you're not. Which, by the way, 60% of daily wire got laid off. And look, I never want to celebrate on the graves of the working man. But if you were working for the daily wire, learn to code, you know? Yeah. That's cold. Yeah, I mean, that is, there was some guy who did, like, a very analytical breakdown of the Daily Wire and what it means about, on Twitter and what it means about how to build a media brand today versus, like, building around a personality. And you just. see it's i i think he cooked i i think he's 100% right it's like when when you at the top have a personality adhere really strictly to something even when faced with facts that maybe would not support that claim and you dig in over and over again eventually the average person

out there who's even just listening passively is going to be like you're not watching the same movie i am so i'm not going to watch your tv show you know like it's kind of common sense well and that that's exactly why you know and just to clarify, I think that that ideology, that, that rigidity that Ben Shapiro suffers from is Zionism. I agree. So if you have that as your core, which so much of corporate news, I mean, obviously Barry Weiss, CBS, like that whole, that's same, same rigid ideology, I think that's what creates this phenomenon, is that you lose the common man, because as long as we do have options, as long as we do have your show or my show or a trillion other shows. you are, you're going to get more truth than you're going to get from these ideologues. Therefore, why would you ever go back to the ideologues?

So what do they do? Their only response, like it's, you know, white blood cells being produced is censorship, which is what they push for constantly, even though Ben Shapiro made his name by talking about free speech and open dialogue and debating, you know, blue-haired clothes on. Not like that, though. What's that? Not like that. He was like, like this, but not like that. Well, right, right, right, right.

Yeah. And by the way, it's been three years almost since the war on gossip began. I haven't seen Ben Shapiro debate a single, legitimate person about our support for Israel during that war. This is the guy who's like free speech, debate, you know, facts over your feelings, all that bullshit, right? Dave Smith's been calling him out nonstop. I'd fucking, I'd do it. Nobody. He hasn't debated.

It just insults people. Yeah. And, I mean, Dave Smith has, I think he's got a larger audience. At least it's comparable at this point. He's got a way larger audience. Okay, fair enough. Yeah. So it's like, you can't just continue to dismiss all of your, you know, your challengers as being so much bigger than them.

I know, I know Tucker Carlson's fucking a hundred times bigger than Shapiro at this point. Tucker would do it too. Ben can't do it because I think you can't win that fucking debate. I agree. I think that the truth is on the side. of the Dave Smith of this world at this point. And that's why Dave has just, you know, made a career out of crushing these people

because it's like he's got the truth on his side. He's also, and like, God, even when he doesn't, he's an unbelievable debater. Like he's so fucking good with words. There have been some points, I can't think of an example, of course, right now. I hate when I do that. But like, there have been some points before

when I'm listening to him in a debate. And I actually, on evidence, disagree with a point. But before I can even, like, formulated in my head what I would be saying. He's like six lines passed in and dropping like six bars on the other dude's head. Like, fuck. Damn it. Well, you know, Dave's a good friend of mine and I, uh, I like is, I thank God we ideologically aligned because I don't want to debate him either, you know, like, but I don't think it'll ever be necessity or there'll never be a

necessity because we just, we agree on so much anyways. Yeah. Yeah, I think, you know, when you talk about the rigidity towards, in this case, with Ben Shapiro, like being really pro-Israel or something, you know, there's something about it where when you have so many problems at home and your money is going to fucking Ukraine and then it's going to Israel, it doesn't matter when it's going to all these other places and people in Maui have their whole fucking town burned down and they get 700 bucks and a fuck you, thank you. Or I just can't afford a house. How about that?

Is that not enough of a reason? That's plenty of it. I mean, you and I can make a list of a thousand things. Right. You know, there's something, you have to have some self-awareness if you actually are someone who cares about this country, which Benj Shapiro claims to care about this country, to step back and say, you know what? Even if I feel strongly about something over there, the point people are making to be angry about that here, they're 100% right because of these problems do exist. But no, he comes out and he says, if you can't afford to live in the town that you grew up in, move away. Yeah. You don't have a right to live where you were born. It's insane. All right, look. And honestly, if it was like some sound money meritocratic system and you just couldn't produce because you're, I don't know fucking, I don't know why, but you couldn't afford to live there because you're just not willing to put in the effort to buy a house or whatever.

It's all right. Or maybe there's a reasonable argument. That's not what we live in. We live in a fucking oligarchy with the printing press spinning a million miles an hour. And you're going to just tell these people who, and by the way, with a democratic regime, which opened the borders as wide as possible, allows for as much. demand to flood the system. Like, none of this is fucking organic. You should have a somewhat, it shouldn't be static,

but it should be a somewhat reasonable population level that does not explode overnight, which is exactly what happened, particularly in San Diego. I can speak of this very well. And then you also shouldn't be the base in the currency. They were doing both. I mean, these people are so behind the eight ball. It's unbelievable.

So it just shows a level of detachment that Shapiro suffers from. And I think that's that amongst many other issues is why he's hemorrhaging audience and deservedly so. Yeah. And, you know, probably we got off this earlier, but it's a good time to bring it up. Of all the things to kind of surface after the fact with Charlie Kirk and where his head was at, the one that was most notable to me personally was the conversation with Dave Smith, which went largely under the radar.

Dave did an interview with somebody and talked about this like a few weeks later. And not a lot of people talked about it. But what he was saying is... I think it might have been me. When... Oh, it might have been you. Yeah. Because I saw like a clip on Twitter of him explaining it.

So it might have been you. But he was like, subscribe to Leverter Lockdown on YouTube. We'll have it right down there. Liberty Lockdown. Subscribe. Yeah. Yeah. Subscribe.

Go check it out. But, you know, he was saying that before he did that debate with Josh Hammer in July at, I guess it was like a turning point event or something. he got to spend time with Charlie Kirk, which is something he hadn't really had a chance to do. And so he, I think he said for like 15 minutes, they were talking about a lot of books and different people across all different subject matter. And he very quickly ascertained like, wow, like Charlie Kirk is a really well-read guy. And so he says like, all right, you're smart. What are you doing here, man?

Like, why are you supporting this so hardcore? I know you're not dumb. and Charlie said to him like almost like matter of factly and nonchalantly he's like listen man I'm my Christianity is the most important thing my faith is the most important thing to me and the fact of the matter is the Israelis do a great job protecting the Christian holy sites and if it were like a caliphate or something it probably wouldn't be protected now obviously some of that claim has not aged very well in certain areas but with respect to things like in Israel as far as I have heard like they actually do protect that stuff.

It's not like ripped down, like the history of where Jesus was and all that stuff. But it should be noted that it also wasn't torn down pre-1948 when... And that's another point there. But he may be like thinking like, yo, what if like, I don't know, what if a rack came in or something? I don't know. But either way, he never once in that conversation with Dave was defending them on the semantics of the actual government there and the actions taken or the things that they're doing or being in any support of that. He was strictly saying that the whole reason he got behind this, which I can understand

at the outset, I guess, why he did was just his personal faith. Okay, fine. But like he clearly was coming around because now his faith of like, hey, that also means we got to protect innocent people and they're not exactly being protected by them. Maybe that should outweigh my pieces of history, which are very, very important to be clear. But like maybe that's more, maybe that's where he was getting. Well, that's my whole beef with Charlie, you know. That was, I met him a couple times. We weren't friends or anything, but that was the thing that I would publicly attack him for periodically

was that I know that you're a smart enough guy to see that this is wrong. And I know that you're a principal and moral enough guy to know that this is morally wrong. So what's your excuse really? And I didn't understand it as well as I do now because of, studying his assassination, tragically, but I now understand it quite a bit better, is that he was funded. He was funded to maintain this talking point. And he knew that in interacting with Dave Smith, that ain't going to fucking fly. You can't tell Dave, I'm doing this because the money runs out if I don't. So he made the calculating decision to essentially not tell the truth.

about some things that he believed in because he wanted to keep TPSA afloat and he wanted to grow it and he wanted to be a player and everybody makes that calculus on their own and maybe he was finally turning on it well and I think he was and I think as I said to open this up

I think that's the reason that that's the top motive that we ought to be considering because especially when you recognize the way the Zionist donors function it's not a fucking game dude like these this is a nation, I'm saying Zionists, but like Israel in particular, is responsible for more political assassinations than anybody else on the planet by quite a bit. So I can't. I can't connect those two

dots and be like, all right, we got a nation that assassinations people, willy-nilly, and then we've got a guy in America who gets assassinated and he's taking donations from these people that expect him to maintain these talking points. And then he stops doing that. And then you're like, A, B, C, don't you say D? Well, they did name a street after him, like, right afterwards. Yeah, well, they also, they painted murals within hours. That makes a lot of sense, huh? I mean, they do that a lot now for celebrity.

It was less than a day. You see how fucking big that mural was? It was a big mural. It was a big mural. They didn't have fucking murals of Kobe up that fast. I was just going to say, they did have murals of Kobe up that fast. No, they did. Yeah, they did.

They were paid. They were that night. They were painted. All right. Well, then now I have to open up the conspiracy theories about Kobe. Oh, my God. But you were cooking earlier on the central banking currency, on central banking and its relation to currency.

And this is something that like, probably since like the beginning of the podcast, we haven't covered a ton, but you're a great guy to talk more about this with because you were using the term Fiat, which a lot of people are familiar with, referring to the types of currency we have. But my friend Matt Kemenosh, like all the way back in episode 43, really like educated people on the history of like the gold standard in this country and how that was how things were ripped down. Like you can talk about, of course, the Fed being started at all. But with the Great Depression, it's a prime example of the same things you were talking about today where shit was so bad, politicians come in and politicians have to win elections

on a Tuesday and November four years later so they can't have shit bad on their watch. So they do a bunch of things and say the next guys will deal with it and so fdr walks into admittedly the shittiest situation of all time and he creates all these systems to try to jump start the economy and fix it but in doing that sets precedents that eventually as far as i know maybe you know better lead to what was the death of the gold standard officially under nixon nixon in like 71 73 i think it was 73 yeah one but yeah that was when they they closed the gold window but look fDR's program are basically the entire reason that we're insolvent as a country today.

I mean, it's not entirely. That's unfair because the military industrial complex is responsible for a huge amount of that. In fact, our relationship to Israel is responsible for about 10 trillion of our national debt. So when people... 10 trillion? Yeah.

You can pull this up. There's a study that was done after... Well, this requires you to agree with my hypothesis with plenty of evidence that the global war on terror was fought large. largely to the benefit of Israel. So if you don't go down that path, then obviously the $10 trillion is ridiculous.

I personally believe that there's a tremendous amount of evidence to prove out that we didn't go attack multiple countries that had nothing to do with 9-11 in the immediate aftermath of 9-11 because we were not doing that for Israel purposes. Sorry. I think you have a case there. Yeah, I think I do too. You can read a whole lot of books about it and they laid out much more eloquently. Scott Horton, another good friend of mine, he's the best on this.

I love watching that guy cook. It's so funny. He's amazing. But yeah, enough already time to end the war on terror. He walks you through the entire history of it. It's unbelievably profound. So anyways, yeah, 10 trillion of our national debt. This is why I get so mad. I got to get this off my chest. I did a couple episodes or a couple episodes ago. I kind of launched a broadside attack against Tim Poole, who as I say over and over is my friend. But this is my frustration with Tim. Is it like if you if you acknowledge. and I'm way, I'm taking a way major, that's just great, sideways street, but if you acknowledge that when Randy Fine is sitting in front of you, and he says that, sure, we can have a debate over whether or not we should be given

$3.5 billion a year to Israel, but, you know, anti-Semitism, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, that I have a right to be upset with him for not actually bringing up the true expenditures that that relationship entails. The fact that the war in Iran is clearly explicitly, to the benefit and the defense of Israel. Admitted by the U.S. government

and multiple different outlets. Yeah, including fucking Marco Rubio. Trump said it himself. Mike Johnson. Yeah, down the line. They all said it. They put it in the official Epic Fury manual thing. Yeah, it's like, hello.

So do I need to then, like, force your hand, Tim, to say to Randy, well, what about the 50 billion that we've spent on the Iran war so far? Some people say it's 25. Some people say it's 50 billion. But if you're going to say, oh, we've only spent three, 0.5 billion. Okay, well then let's also add on to that the 30 billion that we've spent, that we've added to the 3.5 billion over the past two and a half years that they've been at war with Gaza. That's not 3.5 billion a year. That's over 10 billion a year. So anyways, it's just, and then you add in global war on terror. I mean, we're talking about a huge burden, an extraordinary burden that you would never, ever justify to defend fucking Christian holy sites. Sorry, Charlie. It's nonsense. It's total nonsense. And if you, you're you if you want to pretend as if you care about, you know, the Bible or any or God or anything like that, how could you possibly justify making it impossible for young people in your country

to start household formation to get married to have kids? You're failing on that regard. How could you fail to speak up as you see tens of thousands of fucking children blown up? Really? Does your Bible say that's okay, Charlie? No, it doesn't. So this is why I get so frustrated with all these guys and I oftentimes burn bridges and I you know but it's like it comes from a good place like I I know Tim I think he's a good guy I just wanted to be honest about this issue fully honest about it right because I saw in Charlie a similar dynamic and maybe that's the reason Tim doesn't want to go down that path because maybe he suspects the same thing I don't know all right real quick let's just take a break I got a pee and we'll let the construction out there finish oh yeah perfect

then we'll roll all right we're back so Dief actually just pulled up a couple tweets referencing what you were saying, Clint. Grock was asked about Trump's tweet, I guess, in 2019 regarding the $8 trillion fighting and policing the Middle East and confirmed by saying, yes, Trump's October 9th, 2019 tweet referenced 8 trillion in Middle East cause. Israel's 2025 population is estimated at 9.5 million. So 8 trillion equates to 842,000 per citizen. That's a nice house. Okay, next. And then... Yeah, there goes your starter home, by the way. That's right. Updating, again, on GROC, coming from GROC right here, updating totals based on latest data, direct USA to Israel from 46 before they were even founded to 2025 is $175 billion nominal. 340 billion dollars

inflation adjusted, plus $23 billion since October 2023, according to Brown University. Post-911 war costs are approximately $8 trillion for the United States, which if you did combine those two, Grak sang would equal $8.363 trillion. And I think where your case is good if you want to look at all of them under a lens, I would say it's probably a mix of like some neocons and some corruption in America too. But like, you know, Benjamin Netanyahu's been begging for war with Iran since he could fucking talk. Yeah. On record.

This is a guy who was going to our Congress in 2000. Since before you were alive, dude. Literally. In the 80s. Going in there and saying, you must attack Iraq and you must attack Iran. You know, like... And by the way, every time you get pushback on this,

like Shapirs of the world, we'll talk about how, no, after 9-11, they didn't want us to attack Iraq. It's very important that people, that they always leave out the second part, that because they wanted us to go after Iran, that's what they actually wanted. And then the only reason that they got back on board was because we said, we're going to take Iraq and then we'll go for Iran. that's the whole fucking reason that they were okay with it.

So just to wrap up the point that I was making about, you know, as I say, my friend, Tim Poole, like the guy, a lot. He played tons of poker. Good dude. But look at that fucking chart, you know? Look at what I'm talking about. We're talking about an astronomical amount of money, astronomical human sacrifice.

We didn't talk about the tens of thousands of U.S. soldiers that died in the war on terror. Or the thousands and thousands, I think over 10,000 that took their own lives. still are yeah exactly every day and i grew up in fucking san diego dude i grew up yeah like i spent you know the last decade that i was in san diego in carlsbad just south of pentagon you know um why can't i remember the name of it it's been too long since i've been back anyways where all the marines are at right i played beach volleyball with these guys um i saw the psychological struggles that they went with the alcoholism that came with it you know and these were like good people I can tell these were good guys.

They went over there for all the right reasons and they came back realizing that they didn't fight for those reasons at all. And it breaks them spiritually. So you add on to that, all of those experiential reasons, but then you add into my economics background and you start to really understand

the full portrait of why I'm so anti-war, why I'm so anti-R relationship to Israel, not because I have some fucking deep-seated hatred towards Jewish people. It's like absurd because our relationship to this nation state if they fucking worshiped, I don't know, Zeus, I would oppose it. Like, that's just the truth. And it drives me crazy that a guy like Tim, who I like so much, can look at the aid to Ukraine and say $175 billion to Ukraine is insane. And we shouldn't be doing

that. We're risking World War III against Russia. And he and I can sit shoulder to shoulder, just screaming it from, you know, from the rooftops. But then when it comes to this, I stand alone. Yeah, you shouldn't have to make a distinction. That's my whole point, man. We're talking about the same things. Now, do you ever, because you're a long time, pure libertarian, and I think that some of the libertarian financial ideas are amazing in the sense that when, like, what they're rooted in, when we talk about central banks and stuff, which we'll talk more about as well. I do want to stay on that conversation at some point. But like, you know, when it comes to the foreign policy, I hate war.

I think war should be a last resort in every way. But sometimes when I talk with the really hardcore, like, I don't know, radical libertarians, they'll be like we should have zero relationships around the world and there should absolutely never be a war. And I start to think to myself that feels like, you know... Utopian. Yes, sure. Exactly. Yeah, look, I think it's a, it's a fair rejoinder. It's a fair retort that libertarians get oftentimes that, You know, we are pushing what seems to be, you know, storybook endings that aren't based in reality. Look, I think I look at it as kind of like a lighthouse in the distance. It's not to say that war is, all wars are going to be avoided just because I'm a libertarian.

It's to say that I think it's obviously preferable that we avoid wars except for those that are extraordinarily necessary. And that bar should be very high. and I think everyone ought to agree with that. Yes. That before you start taking life in mass, the bar needs to be fucking high. I agree with that. And it hasn't been. Yes.

And that's the problem. So instead of worrying about, you know, the zany libertarians who like oftentimes, you know, some of them are true pacifists, a friend of mine, Bob Murphy, he's an actual pacifist. I'm not. I am a like founding father level libertarian. Yeah. Like, I think revolution is our birthright. I think it's the reason we exist, you know. So as much as I love Bob Murphy and I love his Christian, you know, pacifism,

I'm like, nah, man, there's a time to grab the muskets. There's a time. Yeah. I like that answer because there's a reality to the world, just like you're saying, where it's not a utopia. Unfortunately, that said, all right, fucking, I'm making up numbers off the top of my head. Trillion dollars to NATO over X number of years. You know, maybe...

That might be right. Whatever it is. Maybe we're not getting the return on that investment we should. Maybe that could be allocated in other places. I'm a huge proponent of making sure that our military is in the best position if that high bar were crossed so that we could go take care of business and spread some goddamn freedom. What I don't like is when they're asking for $200 billion in the first whatever, five days of the fucking Iran war that we didn't need to start. and now they have to replenish all this stuff that they used unnecessarily, which is now just increasing.

It takes our defense budget way above where it should be at a deterrence level versus just an active let's fuck around and play bombs level. Well, and it's so much worse than that, dude. I mean, they're pushing a $1.5 trillion annual trillion dollar spending budget for the military. Yeah. That is, that's more than almost like every other military on earth combined. Like, seriously. You could look this up. It's fucking astronomical.

I never looked that up before. That's crazy. 1.5 trillion is so much more than we need to be spending. Yeah, what did the top 10 militaries around the world spend per year? Let's start there. In dollars, I guess. So it might be more than like the other nine combined. I think it is. I mean, this is before we were spending a trillion, it was already that.

Here we go. Okay. So the U.S. Look at that. It's like fucking every other country combined. Yeah. Well, I'm keeping in mind, I'm going off the 1.5. Yeah. And you're still, even though the number they have right here is closer to like $1 trillion. Right.

You're still pretty close to right. Second place, China at 336. Third place, Russia at 190. Germany at 114. India at 92. UK at 89. Ukraine at 84. Saudi Arabia at 83. France at 68. Japan at 62. That's the top 10. I think it's more than the other nine combined. Well, if you go to the 1.5, which is what Trump is asking for now, it's miles ahead of the next closest nine. So when I hear someone like you say, Yeah, bro.

It's fucking insane. So when I hear people like you say, you know, I want to make sure that we have a military that's prepared, I just want to really emphasize. If you can't be fucking prepared with $960 billion, you're never going to be prepared, all right? So you don't need 1.5. miss me with that nonsense. It's insane. Well, because also we dropped like, you know, we tested fucking 40,000 bombs on Yemen that no one ever found out about

that went to, you know, 200 billion of that. Oh, poof, gone in the wind. Well, that was the other genocide we were funding through the Saudis. I mean, people didn't know about that. No, what happened to the Yemenis was atrocious. Yeah. I mean, this is how you know the libertarians are for real,

because we're the only people that talked about Yemen. So this is why I get very frustrated, and this is why I push back against him, is because he started talking about Israel derangement syndrome. And it's like, bro. And he always clarifies. I'm not talking about you, Clint.

And I'm like, all right, yeah, but like, take on the argument then. Yeah. Like, what I'm saying to you is not based in derangement. Like, these are facts. So if you want to argue that you come to a different conclusion after dealing with these facts that I'm presenting to you, fine. We can have that discussion. But please don't dismiss the people that are saying,

I don't like seeing, even if it's just like a basic human emotion level, I just don't like spending years scrolling through TikTok and seeing toddlers pulled out of rubble. Right. That's a fine fucking reason to oppose war too. Do you think that's okay? Do you think part of it is also like I think Tim Poole was one of the guys who went and like met with Nitton Yahoo or something? Do you think because you and I have never been in those rooms and we're not going to be nor do we want to. But do you think there's also some sort of, I can't think of a better word to say it's kind of dystopian, but it might be true. Like some sort of psychosis that happens when you know you meet a guy like that who's a lifelong

to politician, you're in a back room, fucking just having a beer with him or whatever, and he seems like a normal person, and there's some sort of disconnect where a guy like Tim Poole's like, yeah, no, he's not doing a genocide. Yeah, no, it's certainly, certainly. And I can give my own story on this. You know, I met Vivek Ramoswami, and I spent a lot of time with the guy. And fucking charisma, you know, charisma, charismatic out the wazoo. Like, just unbelievably impressive human being. I still like him. I still think he's probably,

I think he's a very interesting political figure, but it biased me in a way that was like bad. Like it was bad to get that level of personal relationships. So I recognize, because I went on his campaign trail, because I was doing Tim Kest, IRL out in, I don't know, South Dakota or some primary state. And I followed him around and hung out with him for a couple days.

And I also, I debated him at the Libertarian National Convention. that was a very strange moment. You can drop in one of my lines from that if you want. But it was awesome. I got my first standing ovation in my life. That was very fun. That's cool. Yeah.

But anyways, the point that I'm making is that especially at a high level politician is going to be charismatic. So if you meet with them and you build a relationship, it's going to be very hard to stay impartial. That being said, I can't imagine staying across the table from Netanyahu and being like, no, no, you're right. I get it now. I was wrong about all this.

You know? Like, I can see Trump fucking, you know, star-dazling me or something, but I can't see that in Yahoo doing that. Yeah, I have to like, I have to try to figure out if that is some root cause. But the other thing is the thing we're talking about where it's just a topic. Some people for some reason are still, like, afraid to say something bad about. Yeah. And it's like, listen, dude, even if you solved for whatever it is, call 50% of what you

you see AI. There's still another 50% out there and it's what you're fucking looking at, bro. Yeah. You know? And when I have, when I even have like some boomers now hitting me up asking me about this, that's when you know. Yeah. And they'll believe anything to be clear. We've broken containment. But yeah, it's breaking some containment where there, where my mom's like, what the fuck is going on here? She's a basic human. Same thing with my mom. Yeah. We've been having these conversations recently and I think I'm red pulling her too fast. She's a big fan of the show. Oh, shout out Clint's mom.

Yeah. Tina, hi, Mom. But yeah, it's, I think more and more, you know, like I said earlier, like the facts are on our side here. Like, our relationship to Israel is a detriment to our country. And that doesn't mean that we need to be their enemies and immediately go invade them or something crazy. But like, we need to recognize that our national interests, our self-interest as a human population, needs to be paramount. If you can't get any, if there's any single politician in America who won't say that and mean it and follow it up with action, they should be charged with treason. That's how fucking seriously I take this.

You are violating your oath to the Constitution, your duty to the American people, your duty to your constituency. Randy Fine, I'm talking to you, you fat fuck. He sucks. He sucks. And almost all of them suck, though, Julian. Almost all of them sucks. So this is my point. We got to, listen, we got to get serious about this.

the choir yeah i know i just get i just go a little bit hyped no i i i know man it's it's like there's just something about whether it be like brian mast wearing a fucking idf uniform on the floor of the u s congress like come on man i don't play any of that shit it's not i don't care who it is if it were a great britain uniform i'd be really upset about it it doesn't matter you know and this is where i've had some mind-numbing arguments frankly with people on both sides of the equation whether be someone who's really anti-Israel or really pro-Israel to where they'll try to talk with me and they want me to just hone in on one thing. So I'll give you an example here. Someone who's like a really hardcore pro-Israel person will be like, well, because you're looking over at Israel

over here and what about China? What about Iran and all this? I'm like, yeah, no, fuck them too. listen, I've been pounded the table about China forever. Fuck them too. It's fuck everyone. Anyone who's not in the interest in my fucking place, fuck them. And they look at me like I have 10 heads. Then I talk to someone who's like really anti-Israel and they want to focus everything on Israel. I'm like, yeah, no, China's a problem. And they're like, what the fuck you're talking about, bro? That's fed slop. I'm like, oh, all right. Dude. Well, and it can be a lot of things at the same time. Believe it or not. And it is. I mean, but that's my whole point is that, you know, I was, the whole reason I, like, first got put on the map, other than railing against the lockdowns, was, was my rants that I would do on Timcast, IRL about the Ukraine war.

So, like, this is why Tim can't do the derangement shit with me, because it's like, you know I'm not deranged. Because I fucking did the exact same. I'm consistent. Yeah, I did the exact same rants against our relationship to Ukraine when it came to, you know, what amounts to a proxy war, World War III between the two largest nuclear powers in human history. Which is still happening, by the way. It's still fucking happening. Exactly. Like, I don't talk about it all that much because it's like, it seems as if we have at least stopped funding and arming them to the tune of what we had been.

But the fact that it hasn't ended is so dangerous. And there's all these people. And, you know, it's the people that are used as pawns on both sides of the equation. It's all these people dying in the millions. We looked at this with Kat Schultz that was a couple months ago. It was the casualties were at like an estimated 1.8, 1.9 million. Right. Yeah.

Well, and population control. How about that? Well, yeah. I mean, you can go down a. Real Tinfoil had, uh, Avenue on that. I'm not confident on it, so I won't, but just- Don't worry, Black Rock's rebuilding it, so it'll be fine. Yeah, well, exactly. But I mean, this is, this is why I'm so anti-war.

It's like, these are just, these are just catastrophes on scales that are really hard to fathom. And I think, unfortunately, once you get to numbers that high, it just, it detach, like, you can't, you must detach emotionally because otherwise it'll break you. Like, I think people can just barely. hang on with the Gaza stuff. And that's, you know, the numbers are obviously very hazy, but it's at least 70 or 80,000. Some people say it's astronomically higher. I'm not going to pretend to know. Even if it's there, it's horrible. But just the key thing to tie these two together, I oppose both because both are me being robbed to fund a military in the death of innocence on a scale that

is unspeakably evil. And it's just like, why can't we unify around that? I agree. Why can't we just say that? I agree. Deef, can we actually Google the latest funding for Ukraine from the United States? That's a great question, yes, because we don't even talk about this right now. Yeah, I know we've sent them $175 billion. I don't know what we're doing today. Yeah, when the last one was or how much.

They probably shoved it in some fucking bill this big. Yeah, there could be recent spending. I'm not sure. May 2026, the U.S. has authorized 800 million in military aid for Ukraine under the fiscal 26 National Defense Authorization Act. So that's just this year. But that's poultry compared to what we were spending. Right, right.

But it's still, I mean, it's still 800 million. Like, yeah, you know, whatever, I should trade money. Intended for the Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative over 26 and 27. This includes $400 million in funding intended for new weapons from U.S. companies. Got to take care of those donors. It's very, very important. And this is what the neocons will use as a defense of this nonsense. Yeah.

Because they go, we're not giving Israel money. We're given money to defense contractors to then hand the weapons to them for free. it's like bitch don't play with me you're giving them fucking we're creating jobs yeah that's what they say it's it's broken broken glass fallacy writ large do you do you I mean we're coming up ironically in the middle of all this obviously on the 250th anniversary of the greatest experiment in human history right here I take it based on what you said earlier you're a guy who studies the revolution quite a bit not as much as my friend Josie but I know a decent amount yeah those I'm obsessed with it always have been. Okay. I think it's the coolest thing ever, but it just blows my mind.

Like obviously, like everyone else, they were imperfect and there's some mistakes. There always are. But like the prescience that those guys had from start to finish, from just making it happen to then setting it up afterwards. How unbelievable is that? And just to have this confluence of like the way I view it was like, these were like polymaths. I mean, you got some the most impressive, human, most impressive and courageous human beings to come together all at the same time. It's just like, I mean, this is what brings you down

kind of a spiritual thought processes to how this country even came to be. Is this like, how could you have that confluence of that brilliance and that courage coming together and throwing off the shackles of the largest empire in human history at the time? How is that even possible? The odds were so stacked against them.

And they did. They did it. It's incredible. And like, you know, it makes you think, though, when we look at some of the dystopian things that are being attempted to be set up, not just here, but around the world right now. And the difference back then is people had to wake up and they had to survive that day. They had to go make their own food. Yeah, I do. You know, literally produce it out in their yard.

Tended their livestock. You know, you couldn't just go from one place to the other place. in two minutes. It might take two fucking days. So all the simplest things. They didn't even have fridges. They didn't even have fridges. And so people were aware of where everything came from because they had to create it. And now in our society, starting with myself, all of us, we don't have that. So when we're looking at, right? So when we're looking at revolution, it's like the revolution is televised because we're sitting there watching it in a way. You know, sometimes I wonder if that's, you kind of said something like this earlier, but that's how it

set up so that people will be put in such a position that they don't have the, not the impetus, but they don't have the inner drive and wherewithal to pull it off. Well, I'll be honest, that's kind of the conclusion I came to after the lockdown era. I mean, if there was ever a time in my life that a revolution was justified, sorry, that was it. Like, you shut down all of the mid and low tier businesses for months. You shut down churches in the south. Churches. And there wasn't a revolution? I think about how crazy that is. So now granted, people were propagandized.

People were buying into the narratives, and people eventually woke up from those narratives. And I hope that that means it'll be harder to do it the next go-around. But I think that that adds to the gravity of the argument that people are already cowed, that we are already incapable of recognizing an existential threat to our liberty and being willing to do what our founders would have demanded of us, pleaded of us. there's moments to stand out for everyone from that era I'm sure one of them for me is like probably about four weeks in I think I had moved back a week before maybe I was talking with my dad one night because I was living in their house at that time and he just said he got

back from the food store and he's he's like people have totally adapted I'm like what do you mean He's like, all these precautions, all these things, wearing gloves, wearing masks, going straight to your car, not talking to people, going home, not even thinking about going to an office or anything that's not for basic survival. They've just done it. Like, we're all a part of it. Like, I walked out there and I realized I was already used to it. It took a few weeks.

He's like, that's crazy. Not for me. But I agree. I mean, he's right, that that was, it seemed to be kind of a universal. adaptation. I didn't adapt. I was, I was. You're practicing sniper training up on a roof.

Dude, I bought my first gun the week of lockdowns. I'm not even fucking kidding, dude. I bought an AR in California because I was like, oh shit. I also bought my first, well, I'll just stop there. I just was like, I was about, I was about to lay out my, you know, my personal financial situation in a way that is not, not intelligent to put on the internet. Yeah. But yeah, I was like, precious metals.

Let's see what we can do here, you know? And those are great investments, by the way, because I bought right at the bottom. But my point is, I did not adapt. And I think there was 20% of the population, give or take, that didn't adapt. And those are the people that, like, I look at it as kindred spirits. It's like, you should not adapt to that. And I believe that you should not adapt to being robbed to fund the death of innocent. worldwide. Like, you shouldn't adapt to that. Even if it's the historical norm, even if it's everything

you've ever known because you were born in 2001 and we've been at war ever since, you should still recognize that there is a moral imperative to look around you and say, this is not right. Even if you were born into it, you should still eventually realize that. And, you know, that's what I try and try and encourage people down the path on. I mean, some of the most, you know, passionate anti-war people you meet are former Marines that are now libertarians. You know, like these guys saw it firsthand. They went in there as gung-ho as any fucking red-blooded patriot you'll ever meet in your life.

And they all recognize it for what it is at this point. So not all, but a growing number. And so if you don't take me seriously, talk to those guys. I've watched a lot of guys. I'm thinking of a lot of Tier 1 guys in particular over the past four or five years specifically who I don't want to speak for them. because I'm not in their heads, but who maybe, I'm sure, had these thoughts in the back of their head already before that time period of like, hmm, what were we doing there this year at that

time or whatever? But maybe they hadn't gotten all the way there because that was their life, that was their job. They were put on the earth to do and they want to believe that that was for all the right things. And then Afghanistan happened. And I watched slowly in real time guys at least consciously start to peel it back, almost like the dude in the movie rewatching everything in his head and realizing it was all the opposite of what he thought. Yeah. And that's a really hard thing for me to see because these guys make the ultimate sacrifice. They volunteer to go do this and put their lives down. Most of them, literally all of them, have lost friends over there doing this. And it's not their fault at all. But the idea that then years later, you have to realize that

I hate saying it like this, but some of that might have been in vain in your mind. I can't, but for them to think that, I can't even imagine having to have that thought. But that's why so many of them are so angry. That's why so many of them suffer with psychological issues and alcoholism and drug use. But a lot of them, you know, demonstrated in the courage that put them in that position to begin with, a willingness to fight and sacrifice for their nation, they demonstrate that courage to this day. like Joe Ken is who I think of. The guy who's willing to risk

really end his political career to speak out against Donald Trump. And those are the guys that I look up to that I go like, man, you still have the brass, you know? Like you put down the rifle, but you didn't lose any ounce of that courage. Like, you're still fighting. And those are the guys we need.

His takes in real time since he left. He's been hitting out of the park. Oh, dude, it's been like, his hit rate is like 97% or something. Yeah. But people still call him a. fraud and a liar and a con man and it's like dude or a traitor it's like yeah because he's trying not to let our country be destroyed in another unnecessary war in the middle east which by the way Donald Trump fucking campaigned on which by the way I voted for Trump because of that

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I mean, I'm also so impressed with how Joe has so stoically handled the blowback against him. And he said it right when he came out. He was like nonchalant about it in like a all shucks kind of way where he's like, listen, you know, I know how it works. I'm sure the president's going to come out and have to say some things. That's just the game. But then he comes out and he does it. Right. And there's a difference between saying that before it happens and then the guy walks on the tarmac and says he got married real quick.

Yeah. And to handle that. I wouldn't have handled that well. No, I would have been like. Because he didn't get married quick, by the way. Not that that should even matter. But like, holy shit. Well, and by the way, Joe Kent's wife died in one of these unnecessary wars in the Middle East.

So if anyone should shut the fuck up, it's Donald Trump who couldn't get us out of those wars, even though he tried to. So kudos to him for that. But they lied to him about troop counts in Syria. And that's where his wife died, by the way. So I think Joe Kent has every reason to be furious with Donald Trump. And he's demonstrated a level of, I don't know, calm and resolve and professionalism throughout all of this that is, I mean, it's just power. Yeah. And I know I know people get like, and I fully understand why, they get real tight about, well, the guy's coming from counterintelligence. Is this some sort of type or whatever? Dude, he was a green beret for like 20 years. Okay. Then he did a few years with fucking ground branch, which is a totally separate thing than like a case officer, true blue kind of CIA person. And as you said, he's lost his own blood to, to these wars and stuff. And what he's saying is so like he put. He. puts it in a way the every man can understand.

Like when I hear him explains something pretty complicated the first time, I'm like, yeah, we can all, that's one plus two plus two? Yeah, fuck, that's five. Wow. I feel like he distills down Scott Horton's work in a way that's much more palatable to the normies. Because Scott will like, he'll run through. Listen, man. Listen.

That's a good impersonation. But Scott, you'll like ask him a question. I won't even ask him a question about geopolitics. and then I'm just trying to hang up my phone and I'll look at the timer it's an hour and a half later and I literally asked him about I don't know some tax policy thing

and now we're in 1973 in Iran and I'm like I don't know so anyways Joe Kent is much more concise but this is the nice way to put it's I love you buddy I've literally had someone sitting in that sea this has multiple times where they're like making it like someone cool and they're making a point on

something and I will just look over and see the ghost of Scott Horton and that seat going, oh, man. No, no, you got it all. You got it all wrong, man. I'm just like, I'm sorry. I'm like living in another dimension. And the truth is, Scott's right.

The guy probably did have it wrong. Yeah, yeah, he's, listen, hey, he's been at it. Scott's been at it. For how many episodes has he done, like fucking 9,000 or something? Yeah, he's OG OG. Yeah. And he was doing, he was doing terrestrial radio before he started his show. Terrestrial radio.

Yeah, well, I think that's what it's called. I don't know if I'd admit that out loud, but still, that's, fucking unreal. He's going way back. Fucking. Yeah. And like that's where, listen, you can argue with some of the overall, like if things get too utopian and whatever with the arguments, but the points of like the endless spending on things that objectively make our country worse, socioeconomically, culturally, all the way downstream. You can't argue with it at this point. Well, and I think, I think that's the point that I always try and hit on with the Republicans, because they don't, they don't buy into the bleeding heart shit.

They're like, I don't give a fuck about the kids in Palestine. It's like, all right, I respect your honesty. How about do you give a fuck about your kids? You know? I try to hit him with self-interest as opposed to going down the, you know, moral route. If they're Christian leaning, I might hit them with the moral arguments, but if they're just like red, white and blue, hoorah, and we're the superior ones.

So like, fuck all these people. Well, then you've got to go down the path of it. Is this actually benefiting you? Yeah. Does it just make you? feel tougher to have your government blowing up people all over the place. And I think that's the truth is that like there's a huge swath of Republicans that just love the fact that we kick the shit out of people all over the world and they just think that that makes us superior and therefore

they get some sort of self-worth out of that. I think it's a very fucking weak existence. I agree. I do. I agree. It doesn't make you tougher to have a government that fucks people up. Sorry, it doesn't. It may make you feel a little bit better about yourself, but trust me, it's temporary. You need to go to the gym instead. Yeah, let's go right to the gym. That's a better place to get out. That's what pisses me so much off about how Pete Hagsett talks about this stuff. It's like, dude, you're talking about death.

You're talking about human lives and everything. You want to argue over your war? Okay, all right, fine. Don't sit here and give me fucking G.I. Joe bars because you think it sounded hard in the air. Bro, he is, he is scary psychopathic. Yes. In my opinion. I agree.

When he talks, I'm like, he's like, a B-action movie star you think or some shit like see I see there you go I stand corrected yeah yeah it's something it's like but the real and this is I think honestly this is what radicalized Tucker Carlson Tucker Carlson got super radicalized by all the religiosity tied into the warfare state he was just like not in my name I believe that because you you can hear him talk about it all the time now he is super disturbed that his religion is being used to to justify mass death. He's really, really, and I, and I, you know, same thing with Joe Kent. People go, Tucker's dad with CIA, you can't trust him. Like, I'm not telling you to trust him. I'm just

telling you, I've listened to guy for fucking years. His shift on these wars in particular, seems very sincere to me. And, and his arguments are sound. I mean, he's basically laying it out, like, don't use my Bible to justify killing kids. No. Or Pope Fiction. Don't do that either. Yeah, well, I forgot about that. Oh man. He should have stayed at Fox News. What's crazy is that, you know, you hear whispers from behind the scenes of people who were like around him for a long time who were, quote unquote, like, keeping their mouths shut when he got nominated and they couldn't believe he got nominated because they're like, this guy's a fucking nut job. Yeah.

You know? And to be clear, like Lloyd Austin was a fucking embarrassment before him. It's a different kind of embarrassment, though. You know, one's wearing a fucking, you know, face, Pfizer, six masks, and you never hear his voice. And the others saying, all right, let's blow up a school. Well, you know. Isn't that a perfect example of the dichotomy of the duopoly that were offered? Yeah.

So you have this fucking Darth Vader psychopath that, like, wants us to live in dystopic hell forever with lockdowns and shit. And then you've got, you know, die hard with a boner. Like, he's such a weird dude. Let me use that Die hard with a burn Yeah, I don't even know where I get over that But he's just such a strange human being But my point is like, no

My answer to both of those offers is no That's right I don't want either of you having anything How do we get there? Yeah, dude, I'm I wish I wish I knew I mean, I'll tell you that dot right there is Thomas Massey

That's the You think so That's the heir parent of Ron Paul man As far as I'm concerned No disrespect to his actual son Rand but I think Thomas Massey carries a spirit around Paul like no one I've seen. Why does, this is the thing I can't get around. Donald Trump is so throughout his entire political career is the most poll obsessed person ever.

Yeah. Including using polls that make absolutely no sense and we know we're bullshit. 100% of MAGO approves, yeah. Yeah, why, yeah. Why does he go so directly? against the polls and going after someone like Thomas Massey, who was universally very liked, even across the aisle now. Rokana and Thomas Massey have, you know, just like as a general kind of person level,

like some pretty good approval ratings across the parties. Yeah, well, and also this is while Congress has the lowest approval rating in history, you know, so like if you have any congressman with any approval at all, that's the anomaly. That's right. So, yeah, Thomas Massey is extraordinarily popular. Obviously, he's hated by all of the people who are still sick offense for Trump and just do whatever he says. But I don't think it's a sincere hatred. They all recognize what Massey's about.

He's a true constitutionalist. But the answer, and sorry, I'll get accused of Israel derangement syndrome, but that's the answer. I mean, if you look at the people who are financing the primary campaign against Thomas Massey, they're all Zionist donors. All of them. Yeah, and some of them are also Epstein connected, by the way. Vegas ones. Yeah, Miriam. Who else?

Paul Singer. Singer and Edelson are the only ones I remember the names of. There's a third guy. But it's basically those three Zionist billionaires that chunked up $25 million. I'm not talking about a general, bro. This is a primary. They're putting up 25 mil to try and oust Thomas Massey. I don't know you can maybe look this up, but that may be the most expensive primary race in American history.

I mean, it's got to be up there. This is a- inflation and Justin, let's see. Yeah. I'd love to see the Frank Church Prize. race back in the day. Oh, interesting, yeah. Right. Inflation adjusted, maybe. Yeah, that's probably the same vibes, you know?

Yep. A lot of strange money coming in there with them. Yeah, as of March 26th, the Texas Senate primary is the most expensive primary race in U.S. history. Who's doing that? No, no, that's Senate, though. I'm talking House. Yeah, yeah. House. Let's do House. What was that Senate race? Is that Ted Cruz? Might have been. Apeck, Ted? Yeah. All right. So George Latimer. Yeah. So, all right, yeah, it's going to break it because George Latimer was, and that is $24.8 million.

That was in the 2024 Democratic primaries. Oh, yeah, that's the Bowman one. And Bowman, the money that came in was APEC money and all that. Yeah, that was what, you know, listen, Bowman's kind of a cringy guy. That was one place where he had a set of balls on him. Yep. And I'm not a fan of Bowman, but that's just be honest, like all of the squad members that have been ousted, it was APEC money that got rid of them. And I oppose those people because they're socialists and I'm not.

But like, it's just the truth. Like you can basically, you can believe and do almost anything up in including like child trafficking. It's so dark. I laugh, but it's not, that's not funny. But it's just like hilarious how in your face it is. But you can get away with basically anything as long as you support Israel. That's how our political system is structured. That's just the fucking truth.

And you can call me whatever names you want. I've heard them all. I just think it's a factual-based analysis that that's how our system works. And when you see $25 million being put up to Ouse Thomas Massey, a A-plus rating conservative congressional member, very high approval ratings. And the only thing that he's really getting pushed out for is because he doesn't support Israel. You see that line he was walking to the elevator and some guy asked him about being a rhino and he goes, I voted with Republicans 91% of the time and the 9% I didn't were when they were inflating the budget,

funding foreign wars and protecting pedophiles and just walks into the fucking elevator. You're like, hey, bro. The best part of that, though, that was a hit piece by Laura Lumer. That was put out to try and tank Massey. I mean, she's ridiculous. Well, sure. But how funny is that, that a hit piece to try and to try and end his career became the best campaign video he'll ever get.

That's what I'm saying. That's where I think like it's on purpose. Oh, interesting. There's no way you can possibly put that out and think that's going to hurt him. I think you're not giving your enemies enough credit for being stupid. I mean, she is retains. I did say it. Like, you know, I don't even get involved with her.

No, I would encourage not. She's just, whoa. You know, that's full-blown, like never go full re-repe from trying to. Topic Thunder. She even looks like Simplejack. But, you know, still, you're not going to get that one out of your head. Oh, dude, you're going to get. No, no, I'm just getting nervous for you because she's such a lunatic. She's going to come after both of us. Yeah, her and all 10 of her followers. Yeah. I'm so worried. Yeah. But that's just wild that you would put something out like that and think that that's not like, you know, Americana at fucking 2.0. Dude, it's a banger line. It's a banger line. And to do it on the fly, when you know you're getting hit, you know, from an antagonist. stick reporter and to just drop that and walk off.

It's like, and he does it with a smile too. You just, you can't, you can't teach that kind of sebo affair or whatever the fuck. It's like, he's just a beast. How do you fix this? How do you get the system so that it actually, I don't care what, what countries are involved, like get anything of any other foreign country's interests out of our priorities and insofar as our elected officials making decisions on the basis of the American people and not other places. I mean, I think we're, we are making progress in that regard, but we're also running

out of time. So that's my biggest concern is like when someone like you asked me, you know, how do we fix this? I have answers, but they're not implementable because I don't have the political capital. I don't have the public on my side enough to implement them. But like, I could save the dollar. I could save the reserve currency status. I could save, you know, our constitution. I could do so many things if I had the public on my side, but I don't. So then I just revert to practicality. What can I actually accomplish within, you know, within our means? And I just think that we just have to continue to, you know, nudge the ball down the field. It's like, like we have, like, I posted a couple days ago saying, growing up is realizing that a mass layoff at the Washington

Post is the exact same thing as a mass layoff at the Daily Wire progress. Like that is indicative of our success of our winning that like we are slowly but surely putting the propagandists out of business and as long as we don't have the political power to make institutional reforms that is the power that we have at our disposal is to win by telling the truth more boldly more loudly more courageously than any of these people can or are willing to or their donors will permit and we have that ability. So should we win in that fight? Yeah, we should.

Because we don't have any of those holdbacks. We have both of our fists out, and they've got one, like Charlie Kirk had one tied behind his back, right? So that's the reason that I'm hopeful, ultimately, is that I believe we are winning the propaganda war, that we are defeating the state propagandists. And I think it's evidenced by the numbers from you to Rogan to Tucker to Candace, to my middling success and Dave Smith and all these other people. It's like all of the people that I like are doing good and all of the people I don't like are falling off a cliff. So if you can't look at that and come away with some optimism, I think you're not looking at it right. The one thing that I want to make sure does come out of this is you're absolutely right where there's propaganda

and lies and people who are perpetuating that and like purposely making money off of it, of course. Like the market should correct itself in that way. But I also, So, you know, I've had like this crisis of conscience. I don't even know what to call it, especially since the January 30th Epstein drop. I mean, as someone who's looked at this case for seven years, obviously I knew it was horrific and all that. But this just put it on a whole different lens to where even the things that I was like, ah, they probably didn't go that far.

Now it's like, oh, maybe it went farther, you know? And the reason I bring it up is because I catch myself having to stop myself from automatically just reverting for reverting to anything I hear from anywhere that is any sort of established place, therefore the opposite 100% must be true rather than looking at each thing on a case-by-case basis. And I think we have a really important moment here in independent media as a whole, regardless of where people stand on issues and whatever, to prove that yes, the mainstream in these places have been exposed for the lies and stuff like that. But now let's not become the same thing from another side or a different lens that they did. And that's that's the one thing. Like,

I get stuff wrong. I'll get things wrong in the future. But I do my best at least with what I can control, which is just right here, to hear out different voices, give my opinions where it's relevant and like try to do it on the base to evidence we can see. And if something changes, I'll change it. You know what I mean? Well, look, I think that's the key difference, though, is that it's not an expectation, like our audiences don't expect us to get everything right. They expect us to be honest when we get it wrong though. Yes. And that's what you don't get from the propagandists. That's what you don't get from Ben Shapiro who said, you know, get your jab dopes, you know, like, fuck you, dude, you know, enjoy your poverty line. Like, that's how I feel about people like that.

If you, if you show like Tucker Carlson, that's totally the opposite side, right? Tucker Carlson got the war on terror dead ass wrong. He got it totally backwards. He was pushing the propagandistic lies. But what did he do once he like actually realized it? He admitted it. He admitted it. it. And he's been eternally apologetic, tirelessly apologetic, willing to, no matter how many times he has to say it, he will say it, and he doesn't get upset when people ask him about it because it's sincere. That's the difference between someone like Tucker Carlson and Ben Shapiro. That's the reason Tucker Carlson is the biggest name in right-wing media, and Ben Shapiro has fallen off a cliff, because that's what the audience is looking for. Not that you get everything right, Tucker got one of

the biggest things in our lifetimes wrong. But he showed the desire to pursue truth. And that's what we need. So I agree with you, though. I think it's a huge mistake to just believe that because it's independent media, that it necessarily is going to get these stories right, that the corporate media gets wrong. That's not at all.

That doesn't logically follow at all. So this is why I'm so, I shouldn't say so critical, but I am somewhat critical of the tactics that Candace Owens uses. I don't like going through familial history of Erica Kirk and looking at her grandparents or her great grandparents and drawing some sort of lineage of con artistry and therefore concluding that, look how suspect this lady must be. It's like, that's fucking, I don't know. I don't, that's not how I view the world as an individualist. I don't, I don't do that with any other group of people. I don't do that with Jewish people.

I don't do that with black people. I'm not going to do that to Erica Kirk either. I just think it's wrong. I'm not guilty of the crimes of my great-grandfather. What are we fucking talking about? Yeah, judge people on their own merits. Yeah, but my point is, like, the standard needs to be higher. And I think, you know, but at the same time, I'm not like the dictator of this world.

I think that the audience decides what standard they're willing to accept and live with. And if Candace goes too far and she gets enough things wrong, she'll hemorrhage audience too. Like, that's the game here. So I think that's evidence of a functioning information system, one that we haven't had throughout our lives because we were cloistered off into these media bubbles that like our grandparents only had three nightly news channels, right? And then you and I had, I don't know, 30 or whatever. And now we have thousands of options or millions of options.

And it's like there's no reason to believe that we can't have a truly meritocratic system that allows for the audiences to decide, you know, who deserves to be the, the top of the heap in this world. And that's, it's never been like that in human history. And I think that's, that's the main reason that the power structure is moving so rapidly to try and cut us off at the pass and create the AI framework and the spying apparatus and everything else is like the whole way that they controlled us forever was through information. Like suppression, suppression, right? Of course. Good luck. You can't really do it now, right? It's like much harder. So I think that's the reason that they're

They're reorienting their control mechanisms They're going away from information control and suppression To both overt power through militarism But oh No we're good Okay through overt power through militarism But then also psychological operations and manipulation and other means I'll lose most of your audience when I go down that path

But I'm just saying I think it's obvious that they are evolving Their methodologies for control Okay. Let's take one more break. We're going to let them drill some trees out there for 10 minutes and we'll be right back. Perfect. Yeah, I was just saying, I thought you were coming into town for the Met Gala, but you were telling me off air, you don't even know what that is? The only thing I know about the Met Gala is that I saw the chick who bombed in like the remake of Wicked, who seemed like she was gacked out of her mind. Oh. Rachel Zegler or whatever.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is a video of her job going left to ask. Well, there was history made last night. Oh, okay. There was some serious history made at the Met Gala. There was the first, I want to make sure I get this right, Dief, the first black, transgender, quadriplegic cerebral palsy model. Oh, dude, I saw, actually.

That's real. That's real. This is real. Actually, a fan of the show went to high school with her, too. Oh, my God, dude. My friend Josie, the Redhead Libertarian, if you could pull up her, her quote sheet today. that? It's an absolute banger. So you did see that one. I did,

but I didn't realize that was a MacGallah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. What's her name? Cardi B came dressed as an intestine. To, so for prostate awareness? Or what? Something. Katie Perry came in a transhumanist. I don't know what was going on. T-R-H-L official. I'm just like, if you were, if you're like an ancient Rome historian and you're studying like

the end times of empire about like elites and everyone else. Yeah, bro. This is what I'm saying, though. But this is why when you asked me, you know, just before the break, like, all right, how do we fix this? And I'm like, well, we got to stop giving those people attention at all. Like, that is pure distraction.

That has no bearing on anything that we need to be doing to actually remedy things. In fact, those people all need to fade from the public. All right, yeah. Josie says I filled my woke bingo card with one person What was it? Someone else tweeted out You noticed the woke final boss right here

That's great dude Yeah The intrusive thoughts that were coming in my mind When I saw that I was like, don't tweet Don't tweet Yeah that's the type of shit That you would have seen in 2020

You're like If I even engage with this I'm going to get suspended Right Can't do it It's crazy Absolutely crazy But you know

I just see it Can we pull up the Sarah Paulson one i got to pick on her so you know you're going to an event that's 350 fucking stacks a table it's literally run by bezos which you know they did have a nice protest for him outside and some people didn't show up in solidarity because the bezos is we're running it but then you have an actress worth an estimated 12.5 million with a staff carrying her up with whatever that is she she's wearing with a dollar bill over her fucking eyeballs well to protest the 1%

her words not mine you know every every job she's ever had in hollywood was from the 1% she and for the record so is she yeah what are we even talking about like if she was doing that to protest the federal reserve I'd be like based as hell she gets it that's not what this is what are you fucking doing

I just see this and I'm like there was a point where she was in a room discussing this with someone and said I'm gonna wear an outfit with the dollar bill over my fucking eyeballs so that people have to carry me through this room. And I can't even look at all the people taking pictures of me or admiring me, if that's what you want to say. And I'm going to do it as a multi-millionaire actress to protest the 1% at the biggest 1% event of the year. And it's a great idea. Like those words, that thought process, maybe not those exact words, that did happen.

No, that thought process had to have happened. I mean, isn't that just the perfect demonstration of how to attach these people? are that they're like, this is going to come off great. You know, like, I'm going to win the PR war here. It's like, no, you're worth 20 million and you just had your slave carry you around because you wanted to wear some virtue signaling dollar mask. And here's the thing, man, I love people that work hard and get really successful at something. Me too. Whatever it is, as long as, you know, as long as it's not, like, completely immoral. I don't begrudge her success at all. Yeah. She's a great actress. She's a great actress. I'm like, good for you. But you shut the fuck up. Yeah, exactly. Understand who you. Understand

who you are and like the great you know the by the way the great privilege that comes with what you've been able to earn yourself no kidding that hard right you know like i get to talk on camera for a living i may not have a lot of money yet but i think that's the biggest privilege in the world i'm not going to sit here and act like that makes you fucking different than people though for sure i i say this all the time when i end my episodes i'm like love you guys see you next time it's like i love my audience for real because i can't believe that i've got to got, you know, 60, 100, whatever, thousand people that are watching me every episode. It's like, it just doesn't make, it doesn't even compute. It's wild. It's unbelievable. It's a coolest

thing ever. Yeah. And they, they are voluntarily giving me their time. I've never advertised my show. I've never done anything to promote it other than like go on other shows. So it's just purely, purely, did you ever hear of me? Did you ever check out something I said and then did you vibe with it? And now here you are checking me out every, you know, a couple times a week. It's like, it's the most beautiful thing in the world. So I would, I will never lose my amazement or appreciation for it. And I feel like anybody who's done what you've done and I've done building up a true organic audience.

It's like, it's the most special thing in the world. So that's why I would never do something stupid like that. Yeah. You know, it's like, it's just, I don't even, I don't even know how you get that disconnected, honestly. Those kinds of things give me the ick. Like when I see that where I'm just like, oh. Yeah. Oh my God.

You know, because I don't know. I've always looked at it. Like, if I fuck with you, I fuck with you. I don't give a shit what you do. Right. Like, and maybe that's why I do this for a living, by the way. I talk with people from all different walks of life from all over the world. Like, it's the best thing ever.

But there's something that happens to people. It's not just actors and actresses. There's something in society that happens to people that as they, like, raise up their stature. I've seen it again and again. And everyone else out there has seen it as well. You know, we're like, they switch up. And they suddenly, things that 10 years ago wouldn't have even been a thought process in their world are now a baseline expectation that's actually below. Yeah.

You know what I mean? No, I do. Look, I think this is also, I'll say this as gently as possible. But I think that's why Joe Rogan has been getting some hate as of late is that because of his relationship to Peter Thiel and his friendliness with Trump, I think a lot of people are feeling as if he's holding his punch. is back, you know, and I'm a long time Joe Rogan fan. I fucking listened to that dude. Me too. Oh, nine is when I first started.

Like I was like, oh, you were, you were, OJ. Yeah, dude, I was episode 54 or something like that. Like, so love, love Rogan, but I think it's also true that when you, as we talked about earlier, when you build personal relationships with politicians, it, it, it nerfs you. It makes it so that it's very hard. And especially when you're like, and I, like, I got to say, I credit Joe with this, because what he got done by playing ball with Trump to get legalized psychedelic treatment for PTSD. That was cool. Yeah.

That's fucking great, man. It was cool. Like, he'll save lives. He'll save some of those military veterans we were talking about earlier. He'll save some of those guys because of that policy. So, can I get that mad at him? I guess I can't. But at the same time, I think it hurts your show.

Because as soon as you start to pull punches, you're not telling the full truth. Well, that's the thing. You talked about it earlier, like when you were talking about spending time with Vivek Ramoswami. and like you get to know them as a person. I don't like to say the word never because things change and you don't know but I've had, my guys will tell you, I've had a firm rule throughout the six plus years

that's podcast. No politicians, right? No politicians. And I've stuck to that very strongly, even when given some pretty good offers to have one, some nice names. I'm like, fuck, no. You're the one who taught me that. You're the one who woke me up to it. I was like, as soon as you said that, I was like,

damn, that's a good policy. Yeah, if someone were in office in the past or something, I might do that one. as long as they're not like actively. Yeah, like Ron Paul. Yeah, yeah, I might do that. But like when you start to deal with people who actually have their hands on the levers, I need to be able to criticize or praise, depending on what the situation is,

what they do while having a separation of a state. I completely agree. If you will. And so the place where, because like I see it on, I see the strong reactions against Rogan online all over the place. And like the guy is a hero of mine. Like he's the reason I can do whatever. I do. That should not make them be above criticism to be clear. And it's also a great lesson that the longer

you last and the longer you're great at some point you're going to do something where, you know, people will turn on you for some things. And it's like none of us are above that. But like at the same time, this isn't to write off some of those decisions. Like I've said this. I for one, would not have talked to Peter Thiel in the year 2025. I think that was a big mistake. But like, you know, maybe he said fuck it. I've said that. I'm like, I've said fuck it for people, people have never heard of. So I don't like throwing stones from glass houses because I'm a fucking micro fucking size compared to that. At the same time, I always feel like because he was the first guy to go through all these different things, whatever they are, like as the trailblazer, it makes the bar higher for me and everyone else coming after him because not only do we get to see the examples of the things that he did right that we then get the example of to be able to follow, but we also see the examples of mistakes that were made. and therefore we don't have the excuse of saying,

hey, we didn't see that one coming. Right. You know, so I think there's a positive. Couldn't agree more. And I think it's also, that's actually how I want to model parenting whenever I have kids.

It's like, you want to take the good and leave the bad. I think that's how you evolve your lineage and progress. So I view podcasting the same way. Like all my inspirations, you know, obviously Dave Smith was a huge inspiration,

even though he became a really good friend of mine. I first heard him on Rogan 2017 or something like that and I was like oh shit it's me I was like I'm on Rogan right now how cool is this and I started my show three years later

and then he was on my show you after that so I went from being a fan to four years later becoming a friend but the point is Rogan huge inspiration even Bill Simmons from the sports realm he was a real pioneer just a handful of guys that

like really inspired me to think that this is a thing. Like this is a real thing. Like this is not going away. This is going to actually replace whole industries. And I think that we have almost a duty to learn the lessons of both the good and the bad that Rogan and Dave and everybody else has done. 100% man. And that's, you know, we, I try to have that conversation behind the scenes all the time with like things we're seeing or things I'm thinking about doing. And like I said, I've made plenty of mistakes.

It's just a matter of, I know there's also like some bullets I've dodged where it's like, you know, my dumbass probably wouldn't have dodged that if I didn't have the examples of not just Rogan, but some other guys before who were way bigger that either did it wrong or did it right. Right. And it was very clear what it was. So, I mean, listen, it's still like, it's still the Wild West in some cases in this space. So we got to kind of let this thing settle. The thing I do worry about, though, is the thing you've been alluding to all day. which is that if the technocratic elite already have this fucking whatever it is set up, is this just like, you know, a final charade act that we have no idea we're a part of

and this thing's a fucking dystopian 1984 reality in like a year? Are we the band playing on the Titanic? Yes. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, and honestly, we won't know, like we'll only know in hindsight if that's the case. Obviously, kind of like we talked about it in the very beginning about simulation theory. It's like I just choose to dismiss that option because how does it benefit me to accept defeat before I even know definitively that I'm defeated? Right.

It doesn't benefit me. So I'm going to function as if there's a chance just in hopes that there is one. And I believe that unless we're willing to do that, then we are truly hopeless. So I just, I reject, Dave Smith says this all the time. He's like, I'm a father. He's like, I've got two little kids at home. Do you think that failure is an option here? Right. You think I'm going to let the fucking the American experiment perish in my lifetime when my inspiration is a guy like Ron Paul?

Like, not on my watch home boy. Like I ain't going down without a fight. So that's how I feel about it. And I just feel like we need to spread that spirit and not let it perish. And that's how we prevail ultimately. That could be a really good thing to come out of the cycles we've seen in that I don't like being one of these people just like picks on the boomers or whatever. because there's group think ideas that get implemented unknowingly in society and then people just go along with stuff. And I don't think that's like on an individual basis people's fault. But with the boomers, there's the idea that people talk about where it's like this is the first generation that through long term actions overall on the average didn't care as much about the future of their kids generation versus their own. The one maybe good thing that could come out of that is I feel like there's an awareness of that that maybe. being true among Gen Z and millennials and stuff. And so now with them becoming parents, if we can fucking create an environment where people

can afford to become parents and shit, separate conversation. But like, I feel like there's a lot more impetus now, at least in the conversations I have with friends of mine who are new parents and stuff like that, who are obsessed with making the world way better for their kid and are therefore more aware of some of the shit that's going on. That's a mess. That's absolutely true. But I will add to that is that many of those people.

people have been, in my opinion, co-opted into things that are actually self-destructive. What do you mean? For instance, the whole green agenda, you know, a lot of people, a lot of people, like that generation you're talking about, the one who was like, I'm rejecting this abandonment of my responsibility to the planet, to the future, everything else, almost all of them bought into the global warming polar opposite. Yeah. Yeah.

And then, but what's even crazier about those folks is that then not only did they buy into to what I believe is a largely fictitious narrative, but they also supported state action and global governance to try and remedy it. I mean, they got played like a fucking fiddle, dude. So that's the danger, is that just because you're more aware, just because you have better intentions

doesn't mean you have better outcomes. You know? Like intention's important, but it ain't everything. You got to actually be, your target has to be in the right direction. So that's my fear. And the same phenomenon to the global warming was the woke experience, in my opinion.

It was this genuine, good-hearted desire to eliminate racism and bigotry and homophobia and da-da-da-da, right? But what did it do? What was the outcome? The outcome was the opposite. Nick Flintes. Yeah. And trust me, Nick Fuentes is fucking mild compared to the people that are, you know, right behind him. So I just think that that's the key is it's not just.

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And this is where I get really cynical, because I always do this, like, little post-World War II pendulum. You know, you got Truman, Eisenhower. Kennedy, they whacked in, left in Johnson, Nixon. Nixon, they kicked him out, left in Ford for a minute. Carter. Carter had the inflation crisis. Reagan. Reagan bought four extra years for his intel buddy Bush Clinton, Bush Obama, Trump, Biden, Trump.

It's just to swing back and forth. And I keep waiting for the guy that's going to be like, hold up, wait a minute, let's part the sea here, we're right here. Do you ever think a moment like that will actually come, though, or are we just programmed to not let that happen? Well, I'll tell you, I mean, this is the question I was asking myself and attempting to answer back in 2020. you don't even know this about me, or 2024, I should say, just a couple years ago. I ran for the vice president of the United States. Someone told me that, actually, a few weeks ago. Yeah, under the Libertarian Party, and I couldn't even get the delegates. I got 49% of the delegates.

I needed 51, so I came up like three votes short from getting the nomination. Well, you wouldn't be on this podcast, so that's for the best. Yeah, no, it was for the best. It was for the best for a lot of reasons. But my point in bringing that up is not to brag because it's not a brag. It's something I didn't want to do. I was literally doing it because Dave had said he was going to run. And then he backed out because of family stuff.

And he was just like, I'm not going to do it. And he had this whole movement that wanted to see him do it. And a lot of people, including Dave and a bunch of people were like, you're like the closest thing. You're like our B minus tier Dave. So you got to step up. And I was like, I don't want to do this at all. And I'm not going to dedicate the time to be the top of the ticket.

So slot me in his VP. All right. I'll see if the delegates put me on the line. Anyways, I got very fortunate, lost by a couple of votes. But the reason I bring that up is that when you talk about who's going to be the guy who says stop, a lot of people think and hope, I was one of them, that that stop guy is going to come from a third party. And what you realize very rapidly after being involved in this stuff is that one, third parties are rife with people who are kind of ideological, I don't want to be mean about it, but almost like drama kids.

You know, they're like, I think many of them are serious. Like they feel these things internally, sincerely. But then when it comes to acquiring power and wielding power, many libertarians naturally are going to have an aversion to that because we don't like the state. So it's very hard to get a true blue libertarian who wants to actually wield the power of the state. state because if you're going to diminish the power of the state, you have to fucking wield

that power somehow, home boy, you've got to get there, right? So most of them aren't willing. So anyways, the point I'm getting to is that that that part of it makes third parties very challenging, but the real challenging part is that the doopoly is perfectly structured to blast those people. I mean, just to crush them. Yes. They keep them off the ballot. They force you to spend millions and millions of dollars to even get on the ballot. And then once you get on the ballot, you've already blown your whole wad and you don't have any money to put into ad campaigns to actually try and compete, then you don't get any fucking media coverage because you're looked at as a joke oftentimes, and oftentimes you are one. So the point is I, and this is why I came to

the conclusion and I ultimately voted for Trump is because I'm like, I'm going to take the marginal preference over the destructive World War III assuredness. That is kind of how I was viewing things. And then I'm going to hope that really what I was voting for with Trump was not Trump himself. it was his base. It was the people who were like, fuck the war on terror. We know we got had. Fuck lockdowns.

We know we got had. And, you know, so many other things that I agree with them on, the censorship under the Biden era, like, they had to lose. The Democrats had to lose. They were so abusive towards us over that period. It was a bad four years.

It was awful. Yeah. So I was voting for Trump because I wanted that movement to stay alive. And I wanted to see what that would evolve into. And what I think we've discovered in the first year, of Trump's second term is that he's a con man. I don't think he's for real at all.

I think that he's, he played his part in galvanizing the populist right-wing movement. That was, as you described it, the natural yin to the yang of the insane woke era. But he also demonstrated a complete incapacity or lack of desire to fix the things that he promised to fix. So now the question is, where does that energy go? Does it become kind of a nihilistic, radicalized, disparate movement, a diaspora, if you will? Or does it galvanize behind a Fuentesian movement or a Massian movement? That's the TBD. I'm obviously trying to direct it towards Massey movement.

I mean, shit, man. I'm telling you. Any form of like opposite day is never going to end well. That's the one part of my life that has proven itself true again and again. And in a weird way, it's proven itself true with Trump in ways that even I didn't expect. You know, I've always known Trump's a New York real estate guy and he certainly lies all the time and stuff. But there's like a percentage calculus you make on, all right, how will this turn out? And the fact of the matter is his first administration was chaotic because he's a chaos kind of guy.

but like he didn't hit the red button things were okay yeah it wasn't the worst presidency i've ever seen until 2020 it was probably the best presidency in my lifetime honestly we'd probably argue over that but either way like the it wasn't doomsday at all no and then i do believe this i think covid would have happened to anyone and and there were certainly mistakes made on his part there that's a separate conversation we can legislate but prior to covid it was like you know all the like fearmongering about how bad he could possibly be. Yeah, it's bumpy. Yeah, it's whatever. It's like, all right, we survived. It's fine. So when he was coming up the second time and he was actually making some promises on things, there were things that I'm looking at it objectively and I'm like,

yeah, he'll probably follow through on that. And there were, there were a couple things he did. But so many things, not only is he not followed through, he's done the complete opposite. He's literally changed what he said. And so when people are attacking people, like you voted for this it's like all right listen those people that voted for donald trump whether it's you or anyone else out there listening who did you you have to go off of what you had seen in the administration before and what you had seen in trump's administration before and pick the least worst option and i fully understand to this day why people said this is the least worst option i don't think it should be the fault of people that now the second time around he's literally gone full

opposite day on everything. If you go on opposite day on like 20% of things, all right, people would live with that. But when you're starting wars with Iran and shit like that, or saying like, not the Epstein thing is a democratic hoax. Like, go fuck yourself, bro. Exactly. It's such bullshit. But see, this is what, you know,

I don't even get frustrated with it at this point because I just think it's so ridiculous. But you know, Dave also, Dave Smith and myself and a bunch of libertarians ultimately decided to vote for Trump. But you've got to remember, too. Trump came to our national convention.

Yeah. He pitched us, like, we were wielding our minimal influence for the first time in the history of the Libertarian Party. We were actually, like, having, not a seat at the table, but like an audience with the king, right? Right. You know, it's like, are you going to reject that? You're going to laugh it off?

Like, I personally wasn't prepared to. I was like, I was like, this is the first time we might get something. We never get fucking anything, dude. Nothing ever. Our parties existed for like 70 fucking years. We get nothing ever. So when they're like, hey, we can free Ross Albrecht. He did do that. And he did. And for the record, he didn't do that. We did that. We free a human being. So I sleep fine at night knowing, you know, that decision, it came with peril, obviously. I even said in the episode where I announced that I was, and by the way, I decided like five days before the election. I was not a. Actually, remember, that's where I, that's one of, that's one of, I was. I was even. I, I actually remember, that's when I was. I really found you. Oh, cool. Yeah. Yeah, that was like the first time I finally was like, I'm going to do it.

Like, they got me. Just this one time. You know, I voted Libertarian my whole life, but like this one time they got me. And I really don't regret it. Like, I obviously, I'm very angry with so many of the things that Trump has done. But I felt, you know, I feel like you can only regret something when you like, you look back and you go, I could have seen this and made a different decision. and that's why I got it wrong. I was as deep in this shit as you could be.

The information that you had. Yeah. And I like, I wasn't ignoring anything. Even in the episode where I announced it, I said, worst case scenario with Donald Trump Brown 2 is Warworth Iran. You guys can go back and watch my episode.

That's what I said. So. Jenxtus. I'm just saying I warned my audience. And I also said, don't follow me into this. This is my choice. Make your own.

Make your own calculus. I trust each and every one of you. I'm not fucking trying. to, you know, become some booster for some party or anything like that. I'm making my own choice. So I don't feel any shame in it. I feel like I made the only logical decision that I could make at that time. But the key is, as I said earlier with Tucker, do you hold those politicians to account when they fail you? And are you willing to sacrifice something to hold them to account? And that's why I respect Tucker Carlson so much because he's put himself on the outs, because he was willing to just

continue to beat the drum and say, no, I'm not, I'm not buying your revisionist 1984 history. I know what you said. You said that the entire wars in the Middle East, the entire global war and terror was built on a lie. He made his name in South Carolina when he said, you, your brother lied us into Iraq. Yep, I remember that. He, and for the record, people forget this. He got booed for saying that, but then he won. And he got booed by the donor class that was in the- Exactly, exactly, because that's the key thing to understand is that the audience there is the donor class. So they boo because they want it to be reflected to the public who's watching at home,

who doesn't understand that those are the donors, that they go, that's an unpopular thing. But it wasn't because the people at home had military veteran sons and fathers and daughters. And they were like, yeah, he's right, dude. They lied us into this war. So my point is all I really expect of people is to be honest about, I hoped that Trump and his promises he would deliver on 30%. We got 10, you know, and I'm very angry about it. But am I going to at least be loud about it?

Am I going to hold him to account? That's all I can do. That's all that's in my power. We as a society also have to at some point, from like a group think perspective, look in the mirror and think about how as a people, we decide to coalesce and organize around things because we keep doing this thing where every four years we're like,

all right, shitty option one and shitty option two. And it shouldn't be that way. This is America. This should be a place where, like, at some point you have a president like George Washington that like the majority of people are really fucking proud of. Well, I agree with you, man,

but I think it's also, and look, I'm not putting the blame on the American people, but the truth is that the American people are deeply propagandized and maleducated, like not even lacking education, but actually having education that is counterproductive. So it's a very, it's a big uphill climb to even coalesce around an idea of what is the remedy. As I said earlier, you've got half the people who are, you know, politically engaged and enlightened and awake think that racism and transphobia is the fucking grave, gravest danger that we face in the world today.

It's like we're currently waging a proxy war between the two largest nuclear powers and you guys are still talking about fucking bigotry like how stupid are you? So that's the problem is like we have to, I agree with you, yes we need to coalesce, yes, we need to have a third option,

yes, we need to have you know, not just a knee-jerk reaction to the left right paradigm swing. We have to have a principled alternative, but you can only get a principled alternative into power if there is actually a demand for it. And as of now, even though you and I and

our audiences probably all want that, I still don't think that we're the majority. And unfortunately, I don't think that we're close. I think we're 25% of the population. That might even be high. Yeah, I'm being optimistic. Yeah, yeah. No, which is sad. But like when we were talking about earlier about people not having to get their own food now and shit like that and the conveniences in comfort of society, another thing I've always thought about is, with the exception of terrorist attacks in 1941 and 2001 and the War of 1812, we have never been invaded and it shows. You know, we have, we have geographic privilege in this country compared to most places around the world,

including some other superpowers just by our lack of borders on the east and west. And, you know, we can argue about the cartel and drug threat and shit like that. But places that aren't going to beat us in a war to the north and south, if you know what I mean. Not even close. Not even close. So there is a level of Americana exceptionalism and complacency that has been generationally built in to all of us, to a, you and I included. Of course. As well.

And I don't really know. And it feels good. It feels good. But like what about the moment where it all comes down? Well, that's the whole problem is that we are, well, we are almost impervious to military attack. we're way too focused on external enemies and not nearly focused enough on the internal. I mean, what collapses an empire is almost never another invading army. It's almost never that.

It's always the currency, always, every single time. So, I mean, the fact that we're not learning those lessons is just unforgivable. I mean, the fact that we're talking about as our empire is obviously flailing and starting to fail, that we are talking about spending $1.5 trillion a year in defense increase, an increase of more than 50% of our already, as we already

did the math, a match of the 10 largest defenses in the world. At 1.5 trillion, I honestly think that you could probably tabulate all of the defenses of every nation on earth, and it would be comparable to just what America intends to spend. This is, it's suicide, and we're not

going to lose a war unless and until the dollar loses its purchasing power. And that time is coming. And that is Ron Paul's warning from 20 years ago. And it's Rothbard's and Mises's warning from 100 years ago. And it's my warning to you today. It is coming. So we have a choice to change that. But we have to coalesce around that idea and that understanding and not get sidetracked with the MetGala and whokeness and racism and all that. But that would also require us understanding that there are multiple classes of people that are completely unelected that we don't see,

who are effectively making these decisions that we don't know about. And you would think that now that we have at least 3 million of the emails that very clearly show that this exists and intermingles things like intelligence, sex trafficking, arms, deals, and all the fucking funding of wars and currency wars and problems around the world. You would think that people would wake up to that. But we continue to get lost in whatever the next news cycle is and stories like that somehow die out when the evidence is right there in front of us to have our moment,

not even a revolutionary moment, but a moment of like, wait a minute, this system is not what we're told it is. We have to take that back. And whether that is like people have to actually form a third party or so. I don't know. But like there has to be a conversation that happens. And that's where I get cynical because I see it. I mean, we've been covering the Epstein files in here. We're going to continue to do it because it's the biggest story in my lifetime in my opinion.

But, you know, can goes down the road. the song keeps playing, the wheels keep turning, people go outside, and, you know, they worry about other shit and they don't realize that it's still all happening like that. Yeah, well, and, I mean, just so your audience knows, you're probably already familiar, but this has been, you know, a debate that Libbytarians have been having forever. There's always this argument of third party versus what we described as the paleo strategy. Rothbard popularized this in the 1990s when I think, I think he kind of broke ranks and he ended up supporting, I think it was Buchanan.

I think it was Buchanan in like 92 or something like that. So I'm more of the Rothbard school. Murray Rothbard, he's an Austrian economist guy. Anyways, moving on. I think that our best avenue is to side with the party that aligns with us most closely and then side with the elements within that party that push our ideology the furthest. So that's why I'm a believer in and why I've been such a huge booster of Thomas Massey. I honestly believe he's our best hope.

I think that he's got not a good chance, but an outside chance of running and winning the nomination in 28. Because I think people are what you're describing, that kind of universal disgust, this bipartisan disgust with the establishment, everybody recognizes that Thomas Massey is not the establishment. He's not that. whether you have disagreements with them or whatever. Like a lot of lefties have massive disagreements with Thomas Massey, obviously. But they respect him. And I think that they would vote for him. And I think that there's a ton of right-wingers that are America first and they fucking mean it,

that they would vote for Thomas Massey, even if they have disagreements about X, Y, and Z. So I think he's our best hope in 28. Beyond that, it's get ready for Fuentes and 36. I'm just telling you what's going to happen Listen, a lot can happen between now and then I hope to see us

You know, like if we're in that crisis moment Of the fourth turning, I hope to see this turn You know, and we can just Calm down, but you're absolutely right I think about the Reserve Currency issue every single day People have no idea That that is the entire house of cards right there

It's everything Just a little I feel as if you're rapping But I just got to say the strata hormones is super important for people that don't understand like what it's about 30% of global oil traffic annually goes through the strata hormones but it's not just that it's fertilizer and all sorts of important things that are necessary for food production it also is one of the main supply lines to Europe which is allegedly an ally of ours even though we seem

to be attempting to destroy them anybody's guess as to why I don't know but then obviously it's also a proxy against China which gets a lot of its oil from Iran, which is also where the Venezuela play comes in most likely because they were a supplier of crude oil to China as well. But the point that I'm trying to get to is the reason that the navigable waters matter so much in that arena is that after the gold standard was ended, after the gold window was closed in 73, we replaced it by backing up the dollar with what was called the petro dollar system, where we got the Saudis and some other Middle Eastern nations to agree to sell the oil and gas exclusively in the U.S. dollar. That became the underpinning by which

our dollar maintained its value. It became the primary trading currency of the world because of that petro dollar system. The Iranians are playing for keeps. What they're saying is that we now control the strait of Hormuz, and if you want to transit it, then you have to kick out the United States and the Israeli ambassador from your nation, and you have to trade in a currency other than the U.S. dollar. That's all they're saying. And you would think that that's a minor ask when the rest of the world just really, really wants to trade through there.

But what that means is the death of the U.S. dollar as the reserve currency of the world. That means all of those trillions of dollars that are used for global trade come flooding back home domestically because they have no purpose abroad. That means that you have hyperinflation and you have a complete death spiral of our economy. So when I say that this shit matters,

trust me, it matters. Future's bright, everybody. Nobody worry. But this is why you have to stand shoulder to shoulder on the libertarians. When we talk about this war shit, it ain't just about woes me.

I really don't like to see kids blown up. If that works for you, great. It should. But if it doesn't, at least hear us when it comes to the practicality of it. Yep. The financial.

Do you want to be able to afford a home? Do you want to have a family, kids? Anything? Okay, this matters. This is the moment to realize that, you know, we've been divided on this, like, left-right battle over the years and it's like yes people have some different ideas on how to get to a

solution but people generally want the same things life liberty family health to pursuit happiness yeah and it's like if ever there was a moment for us to understand the battle is is class versus politics this is it so i appreciate any message that comes from the left-leaning side or the right-leaning side on that you're obviously a right-leaning guy with with the libertarianism but extremely extremely well informed man. Well, thank you. You know, the stuff you've talked about, like I, like I said, I've followed you on Twitter now for a couple years. Like, you're constantly in my feed. And, like, you know, it's nice to hear people actually, like, putting actions behind the things that they believe in. And you've definitely done that, whether it be through your show or, like, even working inside

the Libertarian Party in the past. Like, that's pretty cool. And I hope you keep trying to educate people so that we can avoid some of these pitfalls we're facing right now. Well, I appreciate it, man. when I had you on my show a couple months ago, I said, I feel like we're only in the second or third evolution of the podcasting world. Like, as you said, this is still fairly early into it. And I feel like you are that next wave. And I'm thrilled that you've been as successful as you have been. And I just love it when I see people that I like kicking ass.

You know what I mean? It's like, it just tells me that I think that there's reason for optimism. I said earlier, I mean it. Yes, I lay out a very. pessimistic outlook when I'm talking about, you know, global finance, but it's not, it's not coming from a place of pessimism. It's fixable. Yeah, it's fixable. It is. But the information battle is what we, you know, is Alex Jones. It's the information war. Yeah. We got to win the information war. And once we win that, the rest will fall into place. So if anybody wants to check out the show,

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