Julian Dorey Podcast - #42 - Myles Matthews: The NCAA Racket; Gender Pay Gap; LeBron James; Obama/Trump

Episode Date: April 7, 2021

Myles Matthews is a marketer, manager, entrepreneur, and podcaster. Currently he is the Founder of NBT (Next Big Thing), a media, marketing, and talent management agency. He also Co-Hosts the Faces of The Future Podcast. ***TIMESTAMPS*** 3:59 - The Death Penalty; The Problem with “Correctional” Facilities; The Central Park 5; Trump & Censorship; Political Tribalism & Groupthink; Representation in politics 33:39 - Voting for the lesser of two evils; Why Black Republicans are ostracized; Trump / Obama Narcissist conversation; “Two different experiences can both be right”; One-Issue voters 49:54 - Fixing the Two Party System; The Gender Pay Gap; The Minimum Wage Problem 1:01:41 - The Healthcare conundrum; The NCAA & how it takes advantage student-athletes 1:08:02 - The Rich Paul Rule; LeBron’s impact on players taking control; Where do Bezos & Amazon stop with their power grab? (Pharma, Washington Post, etc.); Standard Oil as a precedent for Antitrust Litigation 1:26:39 - Media Narratives; The Problems with Covid 19 Misinformation; The two Covid factions; Revisiting the Capitol Insurrection 1:41:21 - White vs. Black mass shooters’ treatment in the mainstream media; The Court of Public Opinion & Fair Trials in modern day society; Bad prosecutors looking results (over justice) 1:53:46 - Discussing Julian’s Love/Hate Relationship with LeBron James 2:03:59 - The Meek Mill Case; The Bobby Shmurda Case; The problems with the justice system’s current setup 2:16:03 - Myles Junior College Football Journey; 2Pac Quote about sparking minds 2:27:09 - The journey to becoming the 1%; How Money changes people; “The fear of never being broke again” 2:41:12 - NBT background; Managing Talent; Accountability 2:59:34 - Why bad takes happen all the time in real podcasting (unscripted podcasts); Calling yourself out when you’re wrong 3:06:17 - The Faces of The Future Scholarship ~ YouTube EPISODES & CLIPS: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0A-v_DL-h76F75xik8h03Q  ~ Show Notes: https://www.trendifier.com/podcastnotes  TRENDIFIER Website: https://www.trendifier.com  Julian's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/julianddorey  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

We've had our arguments all of you from best company. That's good. Yeah, I say that all the time It's good to have those arguments It's good to have those things about what direction we should be doing or if we don't if you don't really see the vision and You have a different idea. It's like it's good and I say it's it's always Good not to just have yes men around people that challenge you what you're doing what's cooking everybody this one covered a lot it covered a lot i say it every week but this one covered a lot a lot first 20 30 minutes we went into race and criminal justice and that whole system and everything is wrong with that we went into censorship right after that just just rolled out the gate hot here some group thinking politics

minimum wage and women's pay along with black unemployment the ncaa disgrace that it is not paying athletes the rich paul rule which if you haven't heard that one that's an utter disgrace we got into amazon and power and power that's out of control media narratives lebron meek mill bobby schmurda. We touched everything. It was, it was, this was a good one. This was a good one. Thoroughly, thoroughly enjoyed it. Now, I am joined in the bunker today for this conversation that happened by the one, the only, Mr. Miles Matthews.

Miles is the founder of NBT, which stands for Next Big Thing, which is a media and marketing agency that also works on the personal management side of athletes and musicians. And I really like this guy's work ethic a lot. I've admired that from afar and getting a chance to hear about it in the back part of this podcast where he talked about NBT and the projects there. Pretty, pretty cool. Love his perspectives. We'll definitely do this again. And by the way, you're going to notice that Miles, this son of a bitch over here,

he may have kind of hosted some of this podcast. He's a real pro. He would give these nice, long-winded answers with all these details and everything and then just subtly be like, you know, Julian, I actually wanted to ask you about this, so let's turn to that topic. I'd be sitting over here like, motherfucker, this guy's taking over the goddamn bunker. No, but in all seriousness, I loved it. The reason that he was good at that and the reason it came so naturally is because Miles has co-hosted a podcast for two or two and a half years now. It is called The Faces of the Future Podcast.

I would highly recommend you check it out on Apple Podcasts or Spotify. And they also did just go to YouTube as well, so you you check it out on Apple Podcasts or Spotify. And they also did just go to YouTube as well. So you can check it out there. And he co-hosts that with his buddy Shannon and Moose, who I think we're going to get involved here as well. And they're awesome. I mean, they don't leave any type of issue untouched and it's very unpredictable where the opinions are going to be. I thoroughly, thoroughly enjoy it. I would encourage you to check it out. Anyway, if you're not subscribed, please subscribe. We are on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and YouTube. And if you're on YouTube right now, hit that subscribe button, hit that bell button,

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That said, you know what it is. I'm Julian Dory, and this is Trendify. Let's go. This is one of the great questions in our culture. Where's the news? You're giving opinions and calling them facts. You feel me? Everyone understands this, but few seem to do it.

If you don't like the status quo, start asking questions. I was watching a video like, I want to say this was a week or two ago from your podcast faces of the future okay okay and it was on the death penalty yeah and i think it was you and your guy moose going at it yeah yeah that conversation was interesting to me because the cut you had on there was like a minute or something like that and it was giving me some of the points of view and you guys were disagreeing on it but morbid thing to start off with but it's crazy to think about it right like the idea of view and you guys were disagreeing on it but morbid thing to start off with but it's crazy to think about it right like the idea of oh shit like someone could be found guilty by a jury of their peers like 12 regular people and then said like all right we're gonna put you to

death it almost sounds like medieval you know definitely more than medieval it's like our whole basis and premise of society is killing is wrong but that all changes when you go into the jury of your peers why do you think that happens because me i'm like why is there why is there it's like a double-edged sword it's like you're contradicting yourself when it comes to when it comes to the law when the law is telling you what you can and can't do but all that goes away once you get into that jury and you get into that courtroom and now it's like oh i see you see what i'm saying like everything changes like when you're outside of that courtroom death killing is wrong but once you step foot into that jury of your peers in front of everybody everything goes out the window so you're saying that the robotic nature of law

in the process of law comes in and says okay according to the law should x defendant be found guilty of y crime there can be k or l penalty i'm just using k or l penalties right yeah and so maybe it's put them in jail for life which is another crazy concept yeah or put them to death if you're in a state that allows that. So you're saying that because they're kind of trained by the judge says, this is what the law says, there's this thing as a human that goes away that goes, okay, so we're allowed to make that determination. Okay, I guess that's how it goes. Yeah, that's exactly what I'm saying. But why do you think that is? Why do you think everything goes out the window once you're in

that state, once you're in that ecosystem of, all right, should this person go to jail for life or should they be put to death? And we're trained our whole lives, whether you're religious, whether you just go off of what society says, that killing is wrong. It's a sin or whatever it may be. But when it comes to that time to give somebody judgment, people are okay to give that green light to say, yeah, we're going to put you to death for whatever crime you did.

Damn, it's dense. It's so dense. It's crazy to think about. It's super crazy to think about. On the one hand, you have to remember the people who are in that position, most of the time, they're found guilty. And I highlight most. They're guilty. There is the occasional times where they're not, which makes it even more frightening

because you don't know which ones that is, right? You don't. And so there's the balance of, I guess, crime and punishment was the famous book, like Tolstoyevsky or whoever the fuck his name was, the Russian guy who wrote it, but where Dostoevsky, I don't know, one of them, where he talked about you have deterrence and punishment right so you want to deter other people from

committing these crimes like look if a serial killer is sentenced to death you don't want other people being serial killers you have to show that there is a penalty for that you can't just you can't just go around doing that we're not just gonna fucking have a kumbaya session and suddenly forgive yeah but it's still hey those lives that were taken were taken it is a human who's obviously deranged in that case in front of you yeah to what point are we actually putting them in a system that's called the department of corrections versus my own thoughts about the department of the corrections oh we'll talk about that let's talk about that but versus the concept of well let's punish the fuck out of him or her to make sure no one else does it to me my first reaction let's take the extreme scenario like a like a serial killer my first reaction is yeah throw him in jail lose the key right but then you think about it and you're like well what what went wrong to get them to this point and we're also living a really long time now

is it possible that maybe this 25 year old or 20 year old who happened to just be really fucked up in a good system could potentially be okay when they're 50 i don't know i'm not a scientist i'm not i'm not a doctor right but you know you know what i mean i know exactly what you mean it's like we don't know because we never allow it to get to that point though like we talk about our podcast when we move throughout the point like um other countries like australia they actually have a a real correctional facility where people people go to jail for killing somebody but they'll go to jail for maybe 25 years but that whole time they're in there they're getting taught and trained or whatever to to come back out into society so they're not acting the way they did

prior to going in if we actually had a justice system that did something like that then i think we have a different conversation here but because there's all these external factors when it comes to our justice system when it comes to our our um our um jail system and all that stuff where it's a money-making thing you need bodies in there or or you need a or whatever partners they have when it comes to when it comes to um the bigger corporations that have money involved we get away from all that we have to get away from we get we have to get that's a side that should be a side issue yeah the whole private presence thing yeah but that plays a part in why things like that happen if you think about it what well i would think it's more the part of well what's the benefit of putting a guy in jail 15

years verse 25. it's 10 years of revenue right less the death the death penalty point but it's time man yeah i mean and it's like to point, they're not getting corrected at all. Prisons are, it's fucked up. It's really, I always, I don't want to say laugh, but you see Department of Corrections. Yeah. Think about all the stories you hear about people that go into prison and all the gruesome things that happen or what actually goes on in the lifestyles they have to live. Like, they're not in there reforming i mean you you have your you have your inmates and things like that people in there that are actually like taking their time to sit down and think about the stuff that they did the crimes they may have

committed or whatever may be because sometimes people are in prison because they they committed crimes out of necessity not because they wanted to and people don't think about that people just think they just group everybody into into one lump sum and say, oh, you're in prison, you're bad, you did something, you did a crime. But let's peel back the layers here. What if someone's in jail for stealing something or robbing or whatever it may be? But the reason they did is because they had two children that they had to feed and they had no other resources or nothing else coming in to provide for them. So what they do they had to make a way i have a lot of empathy for that i i think about those situations a lot it's harder to think about that when it's a rapist or a serial killer yeah obviously you have you can't like i said you can't you can't you can't that's not necessity yeah you can't put everybody into one category yeah and that's when you think about anything so when i think of that aspect you have to you have to shine a light on that but when you talk about the people that are raping, killing, whatever it may be,

you have to handle them in a different light. And that's where I think a lot of people go wrong. And that's what our society in general, in my opinion, is. When you have that whole group thing or whatever it may be, we kind of deter from that. Yeah, I was just talking about a similar topic and we're probably we're probably going right over the line of where we were in the last one when i was talking with anthony tapolito we were talking about what that mentality of how crazy it is that there's determination on

five or ten years made in in the snap of a finger during a 1 p.m. hearing on a Tuesday after a lunch where the judge had a little bit of gastric reflux or whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's hard, the concept, because we're all tribal as humans, right? we want the validation of the people closest to us and we want the validation of society because there's a certain way that you get recognition you do good you get recognition sometimes some people are fucked up and they're like you do bad you get recognition let's let's do that right but that idea that the rest of society can support a system that then you go in to have your day in court and instead of getting five years for something and what is five years i don't even know right like what is that you get 15 years

and you're just taken out of the court on a little courtroom camera the door shuts behind you with the bailiffs or whatever the fuck they're called and that's it yeah you know no one hears from you again no one knows what it is and maybe you deserved it maybe you did it it depends to your point it depends on the context but it is i've talked about this a couple times because it is something that once a year usually like maybe it's watching some youtube videos where i just kind of watch how it goes down and i go down that rabbit hole and i'm like damn you know so i did that a few weeks ago and i'm just watching some of these and i'm seeing how fast they make these determinations they make decisions like it's crazy let's let's talk about this since we're on this on this topic right now have you watched the um the documentary about the central park five you know what i actually have only watched a piece of that okay so i've never

watched the full thing but talk about this this is this is a crazy story yeah so central park five basically there they were five young young kids young black men in new york city um obviously they were in they're in the park with a whole bunch of guys doing whatever they do what young kids do goofing off causing havoc whatever may be but that same night how old were they like 14 14 to 17 i think it was they were very young super young super young and at the time that that same night that all that stuff was going on a lady was raped i'm saying almost almost killed to the extent she's probably beat to her life almost to death, but obviously survived, whatever it may be. But when that case arrived and got to the limelight, when we talk about society and things of that nature, everybody was calling for the death penalty for 14 to 17-year-olds. For 14 to 17-year-olds.

And the crazy thing about it is they had no evidence that these kids actually did anything but because society and and people that are in in positions of power said this is what should happen their lives were ruined and and when you and when you watch when you watch the documentary they go into detail about how each of them went through their process and things of that nature. Wasn't there a separate documentary, too, where they all got interviewed? I think so, yeah. I think it was a part of it.

I want to see that. Yeah, yeah. They went into detail about all that stuff. But the grand scheme of things is when they showed that depiction of what actually went on, especially the oldest guy. I forget what his name was, but he was 17. So he got put into the adult prison. And yeah, a 17-year-old was grown, man, whatever. Got put in the solitary.

Can you imagine yourself at 17? That's what I'm trying to say. And that brings me back to my point about the justice system and the way not just they treat everybody, but how they target certain communities and things of that nature. It's not kind of it. It is very wrong. And I think it's something that's, I won't even say it's getting better, because you see these things that are going on in the world today, and it just seems like stuff is never getting better.

It's just reoccurring. We think we get to a certain point where we're making progress, and then something else pops off, and it's back to square one again. Yeah. So when you hear things like that, based on the conversations that we're having, what do you think?

What are your thoughts on stuff like that that happens well i think i think the 500 pound elephant in the room is also you have to look at it across different ethnic communities too you know so one of the things it was one of malcolm gladwell's books i can't remember which maybe was talking to strangers but we'll check that after one of his his books, he talked about how this recently, this artificial intelligence algorithm tracked judges. And look, I empathize. I can't imagine having that job. I would never want that job, right? And you're a human, you have emotions throughout the day. Like I said, it could be one o'clock on a Tuesday, so that a few minutes ago ago and you're in a bad mood and a guy gets an extra five years you're human right so that's where there's the downside to it and this this algorithm measured judges i think it was when

they were setting up bail or bond and how much it would be for incoming cases no one's found guilty yet right and it was more likely that with minorities they were going to set the prices higher per crime and it also just happened to be that i think it was i don't remember the numbers i don't want to say for sure but the majority of the judges were white judges right so i look at things like that and i see a system where there are some inherent biases where it may not be that people are prejudice or bad people but they're put in a position where they're so used to seeing certain things especially in more crowded communities like cities and stuff it's just true more people more monetary problems in one space more ability for more crimes to happen it's just true more people more monetary problems in one space more ability for more

crimes to happen it's just a fact of life right so then they see that and then as you get all that volume all the time you start to make assumptions so someone gets in front of you and you go you and it's not like they say this in their head i would never do i'm sure some of them do but you know it's not like a judge goes there and goes, okay, black male from Harlem. Okay, all right, this one probably did it. But there's a prejudice in their head that could say that exact thing, and they just don't know it. So I think about the balance of where – and I worry about machines coming into stuff, but not to totally change the conversation here. But I think about the balance of where some machines and some technology can help level the playing field here so that when people are brought up, a human being is brought up for X crime, whatever it is.

There is kind of a set system that like, okay, this is what the bail is. This is what the bond is. This is how the process plays out. So you're saying the machine kind of can set the bail for whatever is going on or whatever it may be? Consistently. Consistently. Meaning everyone gets treated the same. But can everyone really get treated the same if every situation is different though that's the question that you have to pose though because we bring machines in it's like

all right everybody's getting this but every situation is not the same that's true i want to go back to what you said about having that conscious like bias whatever may be that's all about perspective though like when someone walks into the courtroom and you see someone and they don't have a fresh haircut, their, their hairs may be like raggedy, their clothes are raggedy, whatever it may be. You may have a instant perception of them and perspective of them that's saying, who is this person? He can't, he can't be someone of high quality or whatever it may be. Yeah. And people always say, that's why people always use the, the, um, the quote, the first

impression is the lasting impression. Cause the first time you see someone and look a certain way, you're going to automatically have that stigma. They're going to automatically have that stigma around them that this is the way they are. This person could be the greatest person in the world, but because you picture them as something that you've seen on TV or whatever it may be, you're not even going to give them that chance. And I think as humans in general, we have to get away from that thought process, get away from that ideology, process get away from that ideology peel back the layers and actually have a conversation with somebody talk to somebody like me you are talking like before before we had a conversation we didn't know each other

but we sat down and talked and got to know a little bit about each other and now we're here today yeah like i could i could i could have just based you off the videos i saw and been like oh i don't like the way he talks i'm not gonna give him a shot whatever maybe you could have just based you off the videos I saw and been like, oh, I don't like the way he talks. I'm not going to give him a shot, whatever it may be. You could have saw the videos I've talked about on my podcast and be like, what is this dude talking about? I'll never give him a chance to come on podcast and talk. But when you sit down and have a conversation with people, I bring the word perspective all the time. You gain perspective. That ignorance goes away.

Yeah. And I tell people when it comes to racial prejudices and things like that, like, if you don't know, that's one thing. If you have ignorance, that's one thing. But once I tell you what's going on and what's really happening and you continue to act accordingly in the way you were before, that's when we have a problem. Yeah. And I think sometimes that gets where people put the guards up is when things get painted in too broad a brush. Right. So when people were coming out, like, I've talked about this before.

Terrence Jones was in here. We did a long podcast on the whole aftermath of George Floyd and everything that was wrong there. Everyone in my life I knew, liberal, conservative, in between, nobody looked at that video and said, oh, that's not bad. Everyone looked at that and said,

I mean, it's common sense. You look at that, well, yeah, the guy just choked him out on the ground with handcuffs on him, right? So there's a level to which people can look at something and said i mean it's common sense you look at that well yeah the guy just choked him out on the ground with handcuffs on him right so there's a level to which people can look at something and be like yep that's that's not humane but when you get beyond that and you get to some of the problems there are mathematical problems that we've seen especially with the relationship between police and different ethnicities in this country but you get two you get two schools of thought you get the school of thought that goes cops can do no wrong law and order yada yada yada totally ignore the

problem then you get the school of thought that says silence is complicity this is the most racist country in the world everything's fucked up all cops are bad call me crazy but i look at these two sides and i go you're both nuts you know and so what i like to do and i wish more people were like this and what it feels like is a lot of the people i bring on this podcast from across the political spectrum are more like this but i want to be able to have the conversation be like well that's not right and that's not right what is what is so how do you find out what's right though you do this conversation i wish everyone was required to have to do something like this with each other shut the door go in a studio put

on headphones and just talk just talk that's how bro a lot of things can be solved with simple communication but people don't want to have that communication whether because the ego don't want to look bad or be wrong i told you all the time it's okay to be wrong it's okay to be wrong i'm thank god yeah i'm wrong about a lot of stuff i'm sure you've been wrong about a lot of stuff in your life dude sometimes a podcast will age bad in like five days it's like that one's still out there yeah especially in the podcasting world bro like the thing about that is everything's recorded so we can go back 10 years 20 years from now and be like, bro, I was totally wrong about this. That was cold.

Or I'm spot on about this. I knew this was going to happen, nor ever may be. But that's just the world we live in. But you don't get to that point unless you talk about it. Express your opinions. You don't know if your opinion is crazy until you bring it out to the world. You don't know if your podcast is good until you present it to the world. Yeah.

You feel me? And I feel like that's a lot of things. That's a big thing that holds a lot of people back. They don't want to be perceived a certain way to the rest of society. Because they don't want to, either one, they don't want to fail. Or this fake persona that they put onto the world they don't want they don't want that persona to be exposed for what they truly are that second point that second point so spot on that was all spot on but that second point people are so afraid of what people would actually see

if they were just themselves which is so sad yeah you know and look sometimes someone's unabashedly themselves and they should probably make a few changes. Yeah. That's a reality. And to an extent, all of us have traits that are like that. None of us are perfect. But I think social media and the connectivity environment,

which has a tremendous number of positives that we don't talk about. We always focus on the negatives. But if you're looking at the negatives, one of them is that competition society that comparison culture and it affects you down to your opinion and you know i've seen i would say i was proud of a lot of people across the political spectrum recently with some of the censorship stuff that went on like with trump and stuff yeah where I did finally see some people on the left who naturally hated Trump totally get that see them start to come out and say well that's not the solution you don't silence people you let like and the other

thing is with a guy like him he was a walking case study on let him talk he will shoot himself in the foot you know if he can't talk then he he will shoot himself in the foot you know if he can't talk then he can't shoot himself in the foot and more people are going to sit at home be like you know that fucking trump guy he really knew what he was talking you know whereas the whole reason that people were so sick of him at the end including people that voted for him was because he just wouldn't shut the fuck up you know so it's like this circle where everyone wants to just prove a point because that's the popular thing to do that they don't think about what they're really doing and they they also don't think about how it applies to them and what they actually think that's scary

because you said it earlier like one of the first lines of the podcast i love that you brought this up groupthink groupthink is that if i could describe the downside of social media in one word and the internet it's groupthink yeah because when you see on social media bro someone will put us i could put up anything on social media if one person the right person takes it and runs with it it can be the the most false thing i've ever said it could be no truth to it but if the right person gets a hold of and pushes and say this is the truth and enough people retweet it like it and share it and give their opinion and say it is the truth it becomes the truth that's the scary thing about social media and the scary thing also is people only read headlines nowadays they don't

even they don't even do their own research so when people talk about fake news or whatever it may be on both sides of the spectrum it's like how do you know if it's fake news you don't even read into it a lot of people don't. And I ask people when it comes to the political spectrum and things of that nature, one side or the other, because we talk about this on our pod all the time, is like, okay, say you are a Trump supporter. Say you're a Biden supporter. Why do you support them? And I sit there and wait. I sit there and wait.

And most people can't explain why. There are famous videos from 2008 and 2016 from the opposite ends. And you can go find them online. They're hilarious. Where they talked in 2016, they talked to Trump voters. And in 2008, they talked to Obama voters. And it's a gotcha thing, right? They're looking for, you want to talk about first impressions. They're looking at the most likely people in the crowd that they think is going to say something stupid.

So it's not totally representative but you see the same patterns where in 2016 you saw trump supporters talk about all these reasons they love trump and the interviewers giving them all the things that like obama was doing yeah and they're like no no trump's doing that at the end and it's like okay and then in 2008 you know they would ask people like why they were supporting obama and then say you know what do you think of his running mate, Sarah Palin? Oh, she's great. You know, people get into their tribes where it's almost like they just identify with something. And I do want to put an asterisk on Obama for this, though.

One thing that's very important there is he was the first legitimate, like, I think, legitimate black candidate to get to the finals and actually be running for president. As far as, like, he had a shot. Okay. You know, like when Al Sharpton ran, he had like 2% of the vote. You know what I mean? So he was the first guy where it's like, oh my God, we might have a black president. That was a socio-cult. Forget what he stood for or what he thought he was also following

up like a very damaging presidency so it was pretty easy to message something that sounded better but when he came up that was a socio-cultural moment for this country too and i i remember my my one grandfather who's like kind of old school conservative guy probably never voted for a democrat in his life when obama was was running he was like he's gonna win and he what was the exact line he was like frankly if i were black he was a doctor for years he had patients of every race he's like if i were black i would 100 vote for this guy this is bigger than like what he thinks and i remember thinking that because i'm like god damn like this guy's never voted for a democrat in his life but he he's he's admitting that and that's you know that's why i knew it was definitely a win but you know you look at that and

there's some there's some stuff that are bigger but the point still remains of people whether or not that was a big cultural thing and then even with trump because he was an outsider whether that was a big cultural thing to people less to do with the race of him or whatever because he wouldn't have been the first white president obviously but you know there was this gravitation towards he's a nuclear bomb being dropped on this bullshit thing called washington dc so people aren't necessarily looking at the okay what's the downstream ramifications of a Trump tax policy versus what's the downstream ramifications of Obama's Middle East policy or something? They're not thinking like that. They're just like, oh, that's my tribe.

That's what I want. To the tribe aspect, for sure. I feel as though it's because representation matters, bro. If we want to go back to Obama, let's stick on Obama for a second, because I can relate to that a little more than Trump. When you see somebody of color in my position, and you've never seen it before, and you see somebody get into the highest power of the land, that's what they call it, the seat, running the country. It's like, now you see guys like me. I was in eighth grade at the time. I can be that you feel me yeah people tell us all the time you can be something but until you see

somebody that looks like you maybe has maybe has the same interest as you in a position that you want to be in then it becomes attainable and that kind of goes back to even even even my personal come up when it comes to having nerve damage in my arm and playing sports and things of that nature. I knew certain things were attainable, but not until I saw Adrian Claiborne, who's had a long NFL career, played at Iowa. Not until my dad showed me him getting drafted. Look, there's someone just like you just got drafted to the NFL. What'd you do to your arm? I was born with brachial plexus palsy, which is like nerve damage.

The nerve endings from your spine to your shoulder, it limits the range of motion in your arm so wow yeah so i can't even like lift my arm above my arm like that but i can everything's reaction like i can catch football all that stuff so you're and you're in here like you're you can get a lot of power in that yeah yeah got it so like my whole life i had to battle that you feel me yeah people telling me i couldn't do something people like people saying that oh there's no one like you and making it that far you can't get a scholarship to play football i've probably attained every athlete you probably could in high school playing sports and then even at that at the end of the career people are still saying well we don't know if you compete at this level you know what i'm saying but i never let it get to me once my once my dad showed me it was

physically possible he literally made it a point look Look, he recorded it, DVR. We sat down there and watched it. Look, this guy is just like you. That's so cool. It became more attainable. Those are moments like that that I remember forever. You feel me? Yeah.

You know what I'm saying? It can be simple shit, too. Simple stuff. It can be real. And that's a rarer condition, right? Yeah. Not a lot of people are born with that. But you even still had like a couple examples of

that yeah you know and so i i agree with you a hundred percent it was so and i don't mean to make it over tribal but let's make it over tribal for a minute it was very very important that we had something like that happen definitely i agree a hundred percent if the if it were 2021 and we still hadn't had a black president by now i i i don't know how that would go down just hindsight being 2020 i mean we already have enough problems and we have we have enough issues that have been left unaddressed and again like some some of it it's like here here and like i think it's more here but it doesn't change the fact that there's still all kinds of things that have been patterns that have existed for such a long time that, like, if you added to that the positions of power still kind of look the same. And they do to a certain extent.

Let's be honest about that. They do. But you at least have some examples now. Even, like, someone who I think is a little crazy, like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. Like, she's not a white lady from New York. Yeah. You know? So, like, even something like that, you have to, to regardless of what you think politically you have to understand that like she's from the neighborhood

that she represents too i believe right like there's something you can't really take from that from the other people that live there because they're like okay one of ours right so i i think that's important but i do still try to cut now that we've had at least like some happen and now you know kamala harris is in there she that we've had at least like some happen and now Kamala Harris is in there. She's the first female vice president. Like some of these dams have started to break. I do at some point here want to start seeing the focus go more towards people being – people actually understanding what they're voting for. Like in this last election, I didn't vote for either of the presidential candidates.

Couldn't do it. Straight up couldn't do it. And that's my opinion, whatever. And I'm more of a cynic, admittedly. But, you know, the way I came to that decision was based on policy. And then there was, let me amend that a little bit. There was a touch of it that was also based on the personal aspect of it, the representation. You saw Trump really lose his mind after COVID happened. So he was – I think it's fair to say by the end he was unhinged. So that – did I ever think the guy was going to hit the fucking nuclear button?

No. But like was he stable? No. No. Biden can't talk. These things are issues for me. Outside of that, I'm a realist in that i do understand it's a big government there are a lot of people below them there's a lot of people around them so their hands and what's going on for sure sure so i could have still voted for one or the other but when i'm looking at the policies we've now just gone here

man like and if you're listening and not watching my hands are far apart there's nothing there's nothing remotely here and the people who from either side or even who are in the middle who try to point that out that their respective sides try to cancel them yeah it's a two-side problem now with that that's a problem yeah and my thing is i hate i hate the conversation that you brought up saying you didn't vote for either side. It's that when people say, bro, you need to vote for the lesser of two evils. Why do we have to vote for the lesser of two evils? To you.

Exactly. Exactly. Why does it have to be that way? And then, say you have your tribe, your peers, whatever. If you think in a different way than the people that are around you whether it be your family members your friends whatever it may be like a big thing in our community is if like if you're black and you vote republican you look you look that crazy you feel me yeah it's just it's just the way it is like i don't i don't know if it's

history whatever it may be but it's like if you're somebody that aligns with the views that are in that party color race whatever maybe shouldn't matter. Why do you think pre? Ask a harder question pre Trump pre Trump Why do you think that was because that was a thing pre Trump? Like in the black community if you vote a Republican they'd be like what the fuck that's a good question. Um, I feel as though Because when it comes to the Republican Party, they're more blunt about their feelings and how they go about doing things, if that makes sense. Can you expand on that?

So with the Republican Party, they're like, all right, this is what we are. This is what you're going to get no matter what. And then I'll use the example that Biden did. Biden said if you don't vote for a Democrat, you're not black. I was frustrated when he said that. Maybe I understood the context that he was trying to put it in, but it's like, me personally... That's what Charlamagne the guy. Yeah, it's like, bro, I understand the point you're trying to get at, that you're saying the other party is not for us, whatever it may be.

But how are you in a position to tell me that I'm not black because I don't agree with what you got going on? You feel me? And I, and I'm not a person like to get into positives, whatever it may be, but like, that's just,

I'm just telling you how it made me feel. Yeah. You feel me? Like I should, I should, I should be able to listen to what one side has to say and listen to what the other side has to say and to make my opinion and not you force feed me information saying like, you don't agree with this you're not this person especially the climate of

our society today i feel like you think it's okay to disagree with both though too yeah yeah bro that's our bro when we go back to the group thing it's okay to have your own views if you don't agree with anybody's going on bro don't vote for. It's our right to vote or not to vote. That's how I feel personally. You know what I'm saying? So if you don't agree with them, you don't have to cast your vote for them. You can vote for whoever you want to vote. If you voted for somebody else, it's your right.

It's your right. It's your right. That's how I think about it. But, I mean, let me ask you this because this is another question that's brought up to me. Sure. When it comes to working for somebody or voting for a party, whatever it may be, would you rather work or vote for somebody that is blunt and tells you the truth? Say I'm a black guy and I'm super racist, whatever it may be. I tell you I am, but I'm allowing you to get your money, make your money, whatever it may be. I don't sugarcoat it, but you're allowed to do whatever it may be.

Or on my other side, I cover my real feelings and act like I'm for you, but behind closed doors, I'm not for you at all. I'm doing things behind your back, but I give you the perception that I'm going to allow you to climb the ladder, but I'm really not. The easy answer to that is neither, but I don't want to cop out of your question i i think that's you know what another thing my grandfather said back in 2016 during the election he's just sometimes when it comes to psychology and stuff he's just brilliant i love listening to him because he just is a people watcher and listener and he was obviously wasn't a fan of obama but he was not a fan of trump at all right like couldn't believe this guy was going to be the candidate and he tried and i'm not saying he's right or wrong on this but the way he read it is he was trying to explain some of the anger towards obama

and then even saying like some of the anger towards him from inside his own community quote unquote like within some of the black community who didn't like him and most of the black community did but those who didn't he's like well let's focus on that he said the thing about like why would why would they like trump like what how does that make sense other than that he's like saying oh we're gonna bring jobs back okay people can kind of get behind that but how are you gonna do that who's gonna get the jobs you know they're not asking these questions but he's like when you look at trump he's the most textbook narcissist you'll ever see in your life but he tells you he is he literally like knocks on your door and says hi yes donald trump big narcissist like here's what i think you know what i mean like he, he's upfront about it.

So you use some example and something earlier. It's like the fourth time you've come full circle. But where you were saying where people are, and it's similar to the question you just asked, where you're like people who are right upfront about stuff or something. But that's how he is. So people can have the thought of, oh my God, huge narcissist. And then immediately be like, you know, I appreciate the fact that he tells me he is,

and then realize he's also hilarious to listen to because he's like, he does some of the stupidest shit, and it's hard to not laugh at it sometimes. You add in entertainment to the fact that he's honest, and some people are like, all right, I get behind this guy. Whereas Obama, he's not like that. But my grandfather viewed Obama as a big narcissist, but he was the behind-the-scenes guy. He was a guy who more or less would just quietly insinuate some stuff and then totally behind-the-scenes, like more passive-aggressive type. the two types of people that you are pointing out right now and the easy answer is to say neither but i think it another similar point to what you made earlier it depends on the context

like if a guy is coming out and saying like openly telling me you know i'm a big supporter of the white nationalist movement just because i give him credit for being honest about that doesn't mean i'll be like all right well now i can vote for you yeah of course you know what i mean like there's there's such a line to stuff but if a guy can be honest about like hey here's five policy positions i have whatever they are and frankly the fifth one is gonna fuck these whoever these people are over here because unfortunately if i don't do that one then i can't do the other four and then i fuck more people over here there's a part of me that goes okay he's honest i appreciate that you know but it's still like i look at it if i were if i were a coal miner in west virginia i i would think it was a sin against god to vote

against donald trump right explain a little bit because not just the democrats the republican party pre-trump these parties in dc ignored all those people we have a climate change problem right these people are trying to make a living right they don't have time to fucking sit there and figure out what the ozone layer is doing they're making a living and their wages were crushed more and more like this and instead of the government coming in to like be like okay we have to figure out how the next generations in these towns are going to be able to get jobs and survive they didn't even look at them yeah just turn their back on them so then you have this blue collar billionaire quote-unquote come in and be like yeah we're gonna put you back

in mind you're gonna make some money he's a savior same way that i look at people who would say you know like let's let's use the the latest example you could use the covet example let's let's use a better one let's use the george floyd example the people who watch trump's response to george floyd with the fucking bible and all that shit and the smoke and and all that stuff in in washington dc if you're if you are a black guy who lives in a urban community and has had multiple friends get sent to jail for bullshit stuff when they were 15 years old and has seen violence from cops right in front of your face as some of my friends have right this exists right i know you can definitely speak to that as well we all can at this point it's just which is a great thing we're all connected in society it point, which is a great thing.

We're all connected in society. It's cool, but not a positive thing to think about. Those people may look at it and be like, a vote for Trump is a vote against my life. I get that. Yeah. So I just named two people who literally, because of their experience, where they are, coal miner in batshit poor town in West Virginia and some guy in Harlem or whatever, their experiences say this must be the way. This must be the way. And I happen to empathize with both.

It doesn't mean that they're right. Yeah. Yeah. And that's what people have to realize in society. You can have two points of view it doesn't mean because there's there's some there's some scenarios where you have two totally opposite points of view but you both can be right in the same ecosystem if that makes sense you can you expand on that yeah i can expand on that for sure for sure so based on based on what you said into two realities you're making me think oh yeah when when you when you have two realities you just just explained the 15 year old that lives in the inner city

that doesn't want to vote for Trump because whatever he sees on TV, whatever it be, and then you have the coal miners, whatever it be. They both, in their world, they're right based on their experiences. So you're in the same ecosystem, United States of America, same ecosystem. Your points of view can be right. Both be right in the same ecosystem. But if you look at it from an outsider point of view, if you don't agree with either, it's wrong.

So you can have two totally different perspectives and points of view and both be right and still coexist. You feel me? People don't think that can happen. People say you have to be on this side or this side. But that only can be the case if we all grow up in the same environment raised the same way or whatever may be people kind of when we get into conversations like this when you have people forget that we aren't all from

the same place yeah me and you grew up 15 minutes away from each other but have two totally different lives yeah so your experience can be right to you and my experience can be right to me and we both can be right this is not said enough this is not said enough yeah and we both can be right to you and my experience can be right to me. And we both can be right. This is not said enough. This is not said enough. Yeah, and we both can be right in the same ecosystem. You know what I'm saying? It doesn't make you any better than me. It doesn't make me any worse than you.

It's all based on your experiences and how you came up and what you've seen in your lifetime. Environment. Environment. But a lot of people get away from that. And I think when we go into we talked about social media and the group thing and things of that nature it's like if i don't agree if i don't agree with you i'm the worst person in the world yeah i don't want to talk to you anymore because you have this this perspective what about the fact that people can

be really loud behind a keyboard though one of my little quotes that happen that i enjoy is that there are a lot of people who type in uppercase and speak in lowercase oh you know man bro it happens all the time right it happens all the time so they and that can come from any political angle some extreme everything everything is inherently political but it can come from any opinion angle on whatever the context of the situation is. So it doesn't mean like one side's right and the other side's wrong, which is kind of what you were just saying too.

It just means that like, this is what this person happens to think. I just think it gets exacerbated by the fact that you are removed from people. So you are going to have a bigger set of balls from being able to put something out there that you don't have to stand in front of all these people and say you can just quickly do it and let the internet do its work yeah that creates to say nothing of the connectability and the 24

7 cycle of that that creates room for a lot of stress and a lot of what they point out in the social dilemma the documentary where people just keep moving apart yeah moving apart this this right here gives people a voice that they never had before yeah the phone hold up the phone it has it has its good points and has a bad points but i think it's a good thing though i think net net yeah i think i think giving people a voice is a good thing. Bro, how many times have you seen maybe one of your friends, whether it's Facebook, Twitter, maybe, you're like, I didn't know you. You go down their likes and you see, bro, I didn't know you liked stuff like that. I didn't know you had a point of view like that.

So maybe things that they may not put in front of you because we talked about that persona that people want to give off that this type of person. Now you can peel back the layers a little bit. Oh, this is what you really like. What about the downsides of that though too? I look at it. In terms of what? Because people will then go cherry pick on stuff like that. I know some of my friends got shit because when Trump was president, I don't know if they still do, but they followed him on Twitter.

He's the fucking president of the United States. And people would go through their followers and be like, oh, you follow Donald Trump. How dare you? They're like, he's the fucking president. I want to know what he's going to say. You got to take things with context, bro. If you're following the president, obviously a lot of people are trying to keep up what's going on. You feel me like when someone doesn't become the president he's out of office

they probably unfollow them go follow joe biden now let me see what's going on when certain people get into positions of power they want to follow they want to keep up on their day-to-day life there's probably there's probably there's probably people that didn't follow you before but now that you have a platform and you and your platform gives off gems on the different people you talk about they want to hear what you have to say now and not everybody not might agree what you have to say but they want to hear what you have to say then that gives them the option do i agree with them do i not agree with them and that's what i that's what i want like like if i had a if i built a group of i think the word sycophant listeners who just agreed with everything i said, that'd be really problematic.

You know how many things we talk about on this goddamn thing? How many different types of people I have on here? How many different opinions I am on a day-to-day basis right and wrong about? Yeah. If you're agreeing with it, and that points to the two-party system why it's so fucked up. If you're agreeing with every single thing that one line of thought has the problem is you you know and i mean the problem is the system too but the problem is on the back end that we've accepted that right so i'm all about that where i draw the line is that you see that group think that you talk about come

in where then people they find a way to then get behind everything else there was there was a guy that i talked to i'll never forget this maybe it was like three days before the 2016 election and he was he was a political analyst kind of guy and we were asking him his opinion what do you think's going to happen why and he And he said, I'm a political cynic. And I believe that the majority of people vote on the one, maybe two, and in rare cases, three issues that actually matter to them. that side you know and i'd never put it that simply but that quote every day of my life ages better and better because you see people who just like they will start screaming things in the way they type type on social media that it's like i wonder if they really thought that five years ago they probably didn't you know life changes though that's true that's true but like i'm talking about like some of the ridiculous shit like where wait a second you were just saying the opposite the other day and you

don't even realize it you know and i get what you're saying with that like when it when it comes to i want to touch on you saying people vote for the one or two things that that are closest to them wouldn't you though the things that are closest to home to you that are it may seem selfish but at the end of the day when we're voting in this democratic society we're we're voting on things that are going to affect us the most the things that are closest to home that's going to affect our environment because not many people when you get to a certain point you're comfortable you don't want to you don't want to see change that's what that's that's when you get to a certain age and they say you can't teach an old dog new tricks.

It's because they're in their ways. And people don't want their environment to shift one way or the other because they're used to that environment that they created. You know what I'm saying? So, I mean, when it comes to that, what do you think, though? What do you think when it comes to the two-party system? Because I have my thoughts about that. I don't think there should be a two-party system how would how would you fix it I love ideas on this I will ask people first of all my

big thing is when it comes to like the primaries I don't think it's just be oh you have to register well our state to register as Republican or Democrat and vote on that party yeah it's stupid I think it should be a ballot who do you agree with I am voting for this person. Because what if there's somebody on the Democratic Party, they're running for president, and I want to vote for them because I like their points of view. But maybe in my community, the person that's at the pedestal that I believe in their views and what they're going to do to the community is on the Republican Party, is an independent, and I want to vote for them. But they don't allow us to do that yeah when you when you go into the primary you have to vote all right i'm registered as a democrat or republican i only can vote for people in that party i don't even know

how to fix how to do that or fix that it's funny it's funny i was looking at this the other day because i was kind of weird but i was googling myself for something specific and i'm a registered republican i don't even know when i did that you know and i'm like well how do i even register as an independent like it's fucking 2021 this should be like one click you know what i mean yeah and to your point i would go the next level and say why do you even have to do that yeah now one contra point would be well what about people then savagely coming in and voting to screw a vote on the other side okay but doesn't that happen already that's i mean it does but when it comes down to that i just feel as though you shouldn't be boxed in because that limits us we're supposed to be we're supposed to be a society that allow we we vote on

what we vote on it's the freedom of speech and that type of things but in the same aspect they kind of just limited us not really we're not able to do that in some in some aspects yeah it's another example of a system that was invented uh 80 years ago 100 years ago and we just haven't adjusted it and adjusted that's what all right so you're about to get me on the tangent a little bit go what do you think about laws being updated as things evolve context what what types of laws what are some examples i'm just saying um let's see it's a good question let's um so when it comes to you know how top over time let's use let's use pay for an example okay let's use pay why hasn't there been laws updated that that women and men should be paid equal for the same

job that they do? Why isn't there a law implemented? Because obviously statistics show that if you're in the same position as a man or woman, a man's going to get paid more. That is a really interesting argument. Yeah, not saying that it's set in stone that this happened. Why isn't there a law made to say this needs to be a requirement? If I'm a woman in the same

position as men our base salary to start off should be the same so i this is a tough topic for me because i've seen i mean you just introduced this by accident i've seen so much conflicting data that lacks context on this so i don't my opinion is not fully formed on it because i don't feel like i have enough information to actually go all the way there's there's two schools of thoughts here once again it's women are paid so much less than men it's a law and that that that's what's happening and we got to completely change it it's ridiculous and then there's the other side that says that's it's a total myth right i've seen data that says that women are looked at differently after they've had kids and then don't get the same opportunities at the office when they do try to go back i believe that

right i think that has to be some percentage of the problem i've also seen data that shows that and i'm going to pull a number out of my ass here, but if I remember correctly, there was a popular piece of data that was going around maybe a couple years not have X job, like this type of job, or that could pay more. So maybe – What do you mean that they didn't choose? Maybe a woman – maybe more men were going into being computer engineers than women, right? And more – I'm going to pick a really generalization one right here. More women were becoming nurses, getting paid well well but not getting paid with the computer engineers getting paid so then it affected the pay but then when they looked at it like job to job there was context

behind how many women then just decided to take off from their career and maybe come back way later right so take 10 years off to be a mom which is the most important job in the world of course but then when they come back the guy who's been there the male who's been there for 10 years the whole time he he's gonna be higher than her and paid more than her because he's frankly through no fault of her own he's more valuable because he's you can't take away that experience he's been in there right for 10 years that she wasn't so i like without even pulling up some of the data and we can pull up some um to at least like get some of the conversation this is just yeah this is it's complicated this is this is like not something where i'm pulling out facts it's just conversations because we've all been in the workforce and it's in this conversation that's always being had and if we want to stay on the workforce topic while you pull that up

another thing would be the minimum wage thing i want to hear your thoughts on that as well that's another tough one um i think one thing needs to be said out front is seven dollars and 25 cents an hour a livable wage in 2021 you tell absolutely fucking not it's not even remotely close not close so anyone who tries to argue the point by leading with well it's a minimum wage and it's not much but you can live on it is out of their fucking mind is 15 a livable wage in 2021 i'm not sure that is i don't think i i don't think it depends where you're at obviously but on a grand scheme of things here's the problem and this is why this is this is like the health care system for me i've never seen a good answer right if it were up to me i would take the magic wand and just

make it 15 or 20 or something whatever we could determine was the minimum in like the average neighborhood to be able to survive with like a family of two kids right i would do that the problem is the market is a free market and people are incentivized to go for where the work is going to most benefit them so especially with automation coming in if you want to see people get moved to having to live off of the government more than ever before you raise the minimum wage across the board because watch every business the business has to survive if they like look at all these restaurants as an example in covid who you see these people who you know that's one of the hardest businesses in the world our buddy giovanni his family's in that business right like my my best friend for my whole life his family's in the restaurant business you are fucking grinding right and it's the people

that work there too grinding and they're in the good environments they're like a family so you saw these restaurant owners and other businesses too but let's stick with that example when covid hit and you know their people couldn't work and couldn't eat they're fucking crying like they take it personally and whatever imagine if those people hadn't been there in the first place though some of them like the ones who don't work on tips because it got to a point where they couldn't even afford to hire them because the margins aren't there and they're required to pay them more you know you get to a point where it's like well does that mean that we're gonna have only high schoolers working on this stuff versus actual people who need the job what's the balance there

what's the balance there now i don't know i don't know what i can start with is that if people want to say well is the is the current system okay no it's not show me data that tells you 725 is okay i'll wait you're not going to find it not so i So I don't know. I don't have an answer. I just want, I just wanted to hear your opinion on that. Cause what's your thought? I think it's the way, the same way,

the same way, like the economy scales, I feel as though minimum wage, minimum wage to scale. Like if, if, if depending on where you're at, like if San,

if you're living in San Francisco, one of the, one of the highest rent districts in the country, if not the highest, if you're making whatever, $10, $12, whatever minimum wages, you aren't gonna be able to live out there you feel me that's why i feel

like that's what that plays a part in the homeless homelessness situation that we have things of that nature which is a way i don't have the number in front of me but that's a way higher number than like i saw that number a couple weeks ago people would throw up if they really knew what the homelessness number was that's what that's what i'm trying to say seven figures i believe it's crazy it's crazy like i don't know there's a lot of different different things that that could be changing our society i mean we don't have to go too deep into it but that's just my thoughts i just want to hear your opinion on on things evolving in in humans not updating and evolving with the times in some aspect

can we use this conversation as an example of the fact that there are a lot of complex issues that do not have easy answers this is a prime example yeah there's a lot of there's a lot of there's a lot of complexes i don't have the answers i was just like i said yeah it's just it's a great question it's it's it's crazy to think about and these are the type of things that race through amount of the time like when i'm doing certain things it's like why is this happening but this isn't happening why is this evolving but this this certain thing is staying stagnant it's just a question that i don't think anybody really has a concrete answer for i don't think there is a concrete answer or solution for it but i feel like there could be more more people trying to trying to find a

solution for it trying to trying to trying to for something, trying to make that type of change. But I could be wrong. There could be plenty of people out there. I don't want to bring up all the data right now because this is such a complex topic. This is one where I would want the producer over here working for 15 minutes to get the right sources and everything. So I'm not going to do that right because chances are i'm going to put up something from the wrong sides that are just not right or or leave out significant context but we talked about it earlier when we

were talking about the justice system and how people get to places and we talk about environment you have to have that same question on well well, why are these the outcomes, right? Why are white men the highest paid among the workforce? Well, the first thing that should be given at least some credit in some context is that white men still comprise of the highest percentage of the society of, I think, any group. But when you say highest paid do you mean no no highest percentage of society no i'm saying what was your original statement that you said it was the highest the highest paid in the workforce or yes yeah but i believe the data shows yeah even though they're the highest when you're talking about highest pays like you're talking about the accumulation

how much money is being made in that demographic or just the average salary average salary but even though they're the highest percentage of people and why do they need to be the highest salary that's the question what puts them in that position yeah that's most likely be that what also where's the context in the numbers of unemployment too yeah how many white males are unemployed i don't fucking know i have no idea how many black males are unemployed no clue i actually i was even looking at that two weeks ago i couldn't tell you what the number was right now i forget right so those things like the the context is the number one thing and i feel like and this is the downside of it the more context you get the more impossible the answers become you know like i

brought up health care a couple minutes ago with health care to use this is not what necessarily both sides are saying but this is what the opposite sides here right so when a republican comes out with their health care plan the opposite side here is oh we want people dying in the streets because they can't afford healthcare. Do I think the Republicans want that? Do I think they would want to leave someone in the street? No, I do not. When the left comes out and gives their healthcare plan,

we hear from the right side that, oh, they want doctors to make no money so that all the competition to be a doctor leaves and our medical system goes through the floor. Do I think the left side wants doctors here to suck no i do not right i also think that both of those explanations though point out to why we still don't have a solution there because they're both inherently correct as far as far as what the the criticism of the opposite side i agree with both i i think the idea of letting someone die in the streets which is worst case scenario is crazy super crazy i also think it's crazy to not incentivize doctors who literally pay hundreds of thousands of dollars and have no life for 12 years to become doctors and learn

work in one of the highest pressure jobs in the world to be like yeah you know we're not really gonna pay you but that goes back to like the whole system talk like we can go into the college conversation like since we're on that top you're hitting all of them why why why do we have to why do we have to pay so much money to get an education especially for the jobs that are needed like a doctor to to to keep our society going to keep people healthy why are those why are those things have to come at such a price i feel like those are necessities you need doctors you know i'm saying you need lawyers you from you need things of that nature to to make our society and community go around and keep spinning and keep and keep going

but if you put it at such a price a lot of people are going to be more deterred going to take a different path and then like you said there's going to be less and less and less and to the point i mean we're not going to see it where there's not going to be no doctors whatever may be but you feel me why is it why is that a thing why is education so much why is something why do you think money bro this is bro our society is is is a capitalist society and at the end of the day it's about the dollar amount in my opinion yep that that's point blank period it's about the dollar amount they see i get x amount of students in my institution they pay x amount of dollars here this is how much i'm coming at the end and that and that and that goes into we're sports

guys if you go into the ncaa when it comes to sports and things of that nature bro don't get me started on them it's it's ridiculous it's fucking crazy it's it's crazy like when when when i was playing in school like obviously i'm just i want to have a scholarship whatever where did you play i went to um colorado state pueblo d2 school in colorado public colorado um so when i played you feel me we're obviously we're not on a bigger scale of Division I scale, but we were a powerhouse in D2.

I'm saying, won the conference nine out of ten years, whatever it may be. 60 hour a week job. Yeah. Yeah, and some people,

they're not on scholarship. Obviously, D2 rarely have full scholarships unless you're one of those guys, you know what I'm saying? But even there,

you don't get the same amenities. You're still, some people are still coming out of pocket, may be but at the end of the day we we filling up the stadium we're bringing money into the school on a daily basis but we don't you don't see any of it and then if you look on the larger scale of like alabamas or lsu's where they're pretty much on saturdays they're running their college town's economy. Yeah.

You feel me? Completely. But they don't see anything. Their coaches make millions. Millions, but they don't see any of it. Nope. They're not allowed to have a YouTube channel. You can't have a YouTube channel to make money in college.

What kind of sense does that make? You'd rather see your players struggling. I never forget Richard Sherman. He said he had a certain amount on his bank account and he had to decide whether he wanted to eat or not or pay rent. I believe him. I believe it. 100%.

100%. And it's crazy. This came up on another podcast, but you know, Reggie Bush. Remember December 2005 when he won the Heisman? Yeah. That didn't happen. It didn't happen. He didn't win the Heisman that year.

You never saw that. It was not on espn he didn't get up and give the speech because reggie bush i think took like a car oh my god one of the greatest college football players i've ever seen in la who generated hundreds of millions of dollars yeah took a car. And he doesn't have a Heisman Trophy. Reggie Bush will always be the Heisman Trophy winner in everyone's book. Let's get that straight.

But this is where common sense comes in, man. It's common sense. And I will give the NCAA, I don't care if I sound like an asshole, I will give them zero credit on the recent stuff, which is a small step in the right direction because they're not doing it because they want to they're doing it because they finally got forced to because a few people enough people had the balls to be like wait this ain't it yeah it's it's it's ridiculous at the end of the day and my thing is we always talk about the common thing has been evolution and perspective and things that that for this whole conversation.

Players are getting smarter. What do you mean by that, to be specific? I think I know, but I want to. They're finding other resources, bro. We'll use LaMelo Ball for an example. LaMelo and LaVar, why am I going to send my kids to this place when I can go overseas, make money, and still get to the same destination? I don't need – back in the day, you needed the NCAA to get to the professional. You don't need that anymore.

You don't need them anymore. It's not a necessity. If you're good, the scouts are going to find you. You still kind of do for football. Football is a different story. I'm talking on the basketball aspect. Yeah, yeah. I 100% agree on basketball But yes, you're right. Football is a different story. I'm talking on the basketball aspect. Yeah, yeah. I 100% agree on basketball.

Football, you need development. That's a whole different ballgame, in my opinion. What was it? Rich Paul got one. I don't even remember who the guy is. I don't think he's good. But Rich Paul got one of his clients who was a high school player. Oh, yeah.

He signed a new balance or something like that. Yeah, a million dollar internship. Amazing. It's amazing, bro. Love that. Bro, you're going to give me a Rich Paulul too that whole rich paul rule that they try to create oh because he didn't have he didn't have an education but the guy is the top one of the top agents not the top agent in the nba okay okay this is this is where like you're a fly on the wall in that room of the people who are going to decide to make this rule and put out the statement on a Microsoft Word document and file it to CBS and NBC and ESPN saying we are now stating a rule where you have to have X amount of education. There's got to be more than one person in that room, I take it, right?

A committee, probably. Yeah. They probably all have college educations which makes them supposedly smart right supposedly like supposedly their iqs are pretty good quote unquote quote unquote clearly clearly either they're assholes or they lack any and all common sense because before you send that out first of all you're going at the preeminent athlete on planet earth you're going at lebron james that's that's his that's his guy you are you are taking your gun aiming it at lebron and saying all right you're the target

and then secondly you're going at a guy who's who happens to be taking over in many ways i think he is i don't think it's happening i think it is it's it's i think he might be at that point like he is he controls the market it's market share controls the market about to take the nfl you're going after a guy who's doing that and you are going after specifically the one thing that happens to make him different than all the other guys which is that rich paul instead of having the opportunity to go to college and pay hundreds of thousands of dollars and get into debt or whatever and then go to law school which actually helps a lot of agents in in fairness right like that's that that can be a very important thing that

he's found ways around to his credit instead of doing that rich paul found the way to make a dollar by getting his hands on throwback jerseys and slumming it out of the trunk of his car selling it to people and one day happened to really make a guy named lebron james happy when he did it and then came in and proved every single thing after think what you want of him think great guy bad guy i don't give a fuck look at the resume yeah and they they went right at him with that yeah the lack of common sense in doing that i laughed my ass off when i saw i didn't care how it looked like of course it seemed like kind of racist fuck or whatever i just laughed i'm like they're this stupid and they think we're this stupid yeah they think we're they thought everybody's

gonna agree with them whatever may be but i was like this is this is absurd in my opinion the system's always good until someone figures it out that's like you feel me like he found he found a way around it like if you're somebody look if you're smart enough to start your own agency and you didn't go to college whatever and you're good enough to the point where now you're in the position you can hire those kids that went to law school and do that stuff for you that's how i look at it and you see a lot of people nowadays that are super successful they may not have went the college route but they built their resume enough to put them in the position to do the things they wanted to do now if you're not if you're not as knowledgeable in that situation in that in that particular industry whatever may be you're in a position to hire

people to do those things for you i don't see anything wrong with that there's nothing wrong there's nothing wrong with that no There's nothing wrong with that. No. Do you think it's because they had animosity towards him? No, he set up a great business model. And he set up a relationship model too. Yeah. The players who come through there, that's a fraternity.

Of course. There's one guy I recently met who works there and you know it is very very clear to me that at least from the outside with the limited amount that i've seen of it and i want to highlight underscore limited amount that place is a well-oiled communication machine they are all on the same page yeah they are all on the same page that's one mission and they're all in the same accord like you said and i've watched a couple of rich paul um interviews and things of that nature just to try to understand like his his thought process and the way he goes about doing thing doing things and the number one thing that you said is relationships yeah it's not all about just the dollar for him it's about relationships one and transparency we talked

about transparency before when people know what you're trying to get done you don't sugarcoat them you don't give them bs you don't give them the fluff you tell them look this is what it is this is what i'm trying to do whatever it may be it works you see the machine works you see what we've done in the past it works for whoever's under our thing people are gonna all right i have that track record what i'm doing works so let's give it a shot he also though and like i guess you got to give lebron a lot of credit too because it's see i don't know it seems like a lot of the building that they've done has been in partnership right of course so there's upsides and downsides to everything, but I think a lot of what,

places where I agree with LeBron and think he's done a ton of good is putting power in the hands of the individual. Explain what you mean by that. Athletes were always brought in to be the entertainer and they're paid a lot of money. And for a long time now, they've been paid a lot of money. That's great, right? They're the money maker though of course would an owner buy a team if there weren't star power athletes who people looked up to absolutely not right so there the the upside is that they were making more and more money over time and getting well compensated great what they were able to do within the confines of the system like what you brought up with these systems that are

set up and then someone figures out a way around it yeah they started to realize that we don't really have control over where we want to go it's kind of like up to the league and it's kind of up to what they say can can go and that can come through in a lot of things it can come through in something as stupid as like the david stern dress code right eventually ridiculous by the way oh yeah it was crazy it was the alan iverson role you know which like i don't want to see alan iverson in a suit i want to see alan iverson in like iverson swag man yeah like when he walks in walking in a suit i'm like it's like castrating a championship horse like what are you are you doing? Like there's no, there's no, like you don't get that feeling.

That's what people came to see. Yeah. You feel me? Yeah. That's what they came to see. Yeah. So like that's, and that's like a stupid,

simple example, but look at all these systems with money, right? The agents, they're all the same guys. They all, and maybe some of them are really good. Some of them definitely are,

and they care about their players. Maybe some don't, right? But they'll have to go in through the NBA. This is how it works. This is the way you get your contract. This is what your rights are as a free agent. This is what your rights are when someone wants to trade you.

And over time, players start to figure out, I want to get more rights in my contract. And then a guy like LeBron comes along, sees all the backlash that he would get, and some of it deservedly so, right? Like when he did the decision that was a bad pr move fine okay but then sees the how much pressure is put on every little thing he does and then also how little flexibility he has and so he spends his career fighting to get him and other players more and more flexibility and then eventually turns it into an agency where he goes oh wait a second we we can literally have the players in charge. Yeah.

Like, I back this agency, and we'll be the agency too. Mm-hmm. Is there a slippery slope to that in the sense that you end up creating a monopoly because players are more likely over time to gravitate towards people who are completely like them? Yes. Is it a slippery slope, though? What do you think?

I don't think it is why not at the end of the day i think the players should be controlled because at the end of the day they're the ones that are the money makers they're the ones bringing bringing in the dollars so why can't why can't they control what comes in and out their ecosystem when you say ecosystem their community like when it comes why why should someone at the top the commissioner would ever be able to tell alan iverson that you have to wear a suit or you can't do this this or you're gonna lose your money when the the thing the thing that brings his money that brings him money and elevates his brand is his swag yep but you're taking that away from him why should the nfl tell chad ocho siko you can't celebrate or you're getting fined when that is his persona that that builds his

brand at the end of the day people come to see chad ocho single dance after he scores do a salsa put the ball with the with the pylon that's what they come to see they buy it they buy it it's at the joke you said it's entertainment at the end of the day. And then, both their brands, Allen Iverson, Ultra Sync, whatever, what they do on the field, their charisma, their swag, that helps them off the field in the long run. So why should someone that's sitting in an office tell them what they can and can't do? In that aspect. Because obviously there's some things that should be limited, but in that aspect, why should someone be able to cut that off? I understand what you meant. I agree with all that.

I don't think they should. And I think that that is the complete positive side of doing this. I think the downside of it, the potential quote-unquote slippery slope, is that if – LeBron's going to have a career long after his career ends. He's got a lot of plans here. He can create because he has one thing that none of these agents have ever had. He was the guy. He will have been the guy, right? Like in his sport and across the athlete community.

He will have that. And, you know, he also has a shared experience that a lot of these guys – none of these – few of these agents have. A lot of these – Drew Rosenhaus, guys like this, they can't understand the community LeBron came from. You know what I mean? But like LeBron made it out of that situation and then made something of himself and created a whole business, a brand behind what he does. So when he's speaking to guys who may have come from a similar background, he can have a conversation, and righteously so, he can have a conversation with them that Drew Rosenhaus can't.

Of course. So when I look at it, I don't see how Clutch doesn't take over at all. I really don't. I think they will unless someone puts a restriction and says, all right, you can't. And that's a slippery slope too. Yeah, I'm a poor restriction. You only can have X amount of players in your agency or whatever it may be.

Like LeBron can't have any type of partnership in whatever agency it is. However they go about it, I'm sure they'll try to put something out there. Once he's not a player, they can't do it. Yeah, they can't. They better not do it. I would be totally against that. See, that's not the answer either. Oh, oh, you want to rig the game.

It's the same thing as the Rich Paul rule. They tried to rig the game. If you want a free market, make it a free market. The question is, same thing, same types of questions I have on a much smaller scale here. With Amazon, where do they stop? That's a good question. I'm going to have to think about that. What do you mean, where do they stop in terms of scalability, what they want and taking over everything? I don't see them and taking over everything i don't see them stopping exactly i don't see them stopping but at the end of the day i look at it like this because i don't think i think everybody has opportunity but everybody doesn't have the same opportunity if that makes sense when you just i think i agree with you can you just explain that i want to make sure i know so like everybody has opportunity to

scale like amazon whatever it may be but jeff bezos may be in a position where he was already there you feel me yes he was already there like i i'm sitting here with you i could have the opportunity to take over make the next disney make the next amazon whatever it may be make the next abc network whatever it is but there's some people that are already in that position that were maybe either born in that position elevated position whatever relationship they may have they were just born in that position, elevated in that position, whatever relationship they may have, they were just put in that position. We see it all the time in jobs. Like there's people ahead of you that may not be as knowledgeable

or work as hard as you because they knew somebody, I'm there. And now I have them backing me so now I can rapid fire, take over everything. Completely agree. Yeah, I think... Do you think, before you go to your thought i don't want to cut you off but go ahead do you think jeff bezos or whoever may be is at fault for that though

wait i fall for what if they have that opera they were given that opportunity to scale do you think they're at fault for taking to the furthest extent it's a slippery slope question no in that sense no now do i know who's evil and who's not no i don't because i don't know them i can look at actions certainly some things that jeff bezos has done outside of what he's doing in business that makes me go i don't know about that guy other people i have no idea right they're there in a free market i I believe in the free market. But one of the things that – not to pick on them, but you see like these pure old school conservatives in Congress and in Senate. One of the questions that they need to weigh right now as a conscience question is, okay, we've spent our whole lives talking about free markets and everything and yes that system again that's what i want to default to right 100 i like less government control in the marketplace but you have to admit there's a line somewhere like standard oil had a line john d rockefeller

was taking over the world yeah the government came in and broke them up that worked more than it didn't work you know because because they broke up standard oil had they basically supplied all the oil right and so they came in and they made them i don't know what it was 25 companies or something and they created an ecosystem of competition i got you still an oligopoly right like you didn't suddenly have an upstart from swedesboro new jersey come over and compete with exxon mobil that didn't happen right but you at least created where it's not you have that competition where there's going to be some inherent competitiveness where people aren't going to do the same things and they aren't just going to go after the same goals that the

other person is whereas if it's all in the same company it's going to go off the vision of what the company is whether that's good or bad for humanity it's about the game at some point right like i think jeff bezos got to the point where it became about the game a long time ago of course i think i think a lot of guys that are in that position it's about the game yeah what more can look if you're not playing for the game like you got everything you could possibly want in the world in terms of monetary value business-wise same thing so at that point when you've reached a certain point of success it becomes about the game i think everything else goes out the window yeah because now it's just about numbers look i'll be this this mark next

year i need to get here yep need to get here i'm going to do any means necessary to get there yep but whose fault is that for for for for generating that thought process in us is it society because we're living in a capitalist society it's about the man the power comes with the man who has the more dollars and that's in our society or do you think that's something that's taught or you think that's just something that's in us innately and the money just brings it out i think it's a combination of all that i mean what what to an extent to an extent two powerful people in two different things lebron and bezos what do they have in common what they have in common is you know lebron when he was 15 years old didn't have any money jeff bezos when he was 28 left his

big job behind and you've seen the picture of that office worked in some office with a fucking cardboard sign right they started on zero in that sense maybe different environments jeff probably had it better than lebron did that's not what i'm saying like yeah equal right but they both started on zero so to speak and they built what they have and they need a ton of credit for that we started this little rabbit hole with clutch and that ecosystem and them taking over that ecosystem what i want to say where this conversation just went is that what i'm talking about with the slippery slope of clutch there versus the slippery slope of amazon are two very different things yeah clutch is one it's a big one it's a pop culture sports right because they're looking at nba and nfl and eventually they'll get to other leagues too so yeah that could change all that and we can come back to that but amazon's a global

business yeah that supplies goods a lot more than that now too supplies the data supplies the the wet how we access the internet many of us the slippery slope to that is a different stratosphere. Yeah. And so, like, when I see Jeff come in and, you know, he's leaving, quote-unquote, now. Big air quotes there, right? Is he leaving? Exactly. Is he? And you don't know. But when I see them come in and say, you know, we're going to get into the pharmacy business.

Oh, how are you going to compete? We're going to lose a lot of money for, like, five years. We're going to go bleed out everyone. Because they can that's not the fault of the people in the pharmacy industry who have focused on that their entire career and it's also not the fault of amazon for using a free system to their advantage where does it stop though i think when you get to that point it's we talk about creating your own ecosystem and getting to a position of power you can do whatever you want i think it's what you do with that power that makes the difference.

And I think that's the point where people start to care. If you're a person like LeBron and you're building that ecosystem that's going to eventually take over the sports world if they keep going on the rate that they're going, people don't care as much because of the things he's doing outside of that. When it comes back to I'm opening up a school for disadvantaged kids to to have an opportunity to potentially get to where i'm at you should get a ton you should get more credit for things of that nature i feel as though that's where the difference comes when it comes to the perspective of the people from the outside looking in yeah because jeff bezos for i know he could be doing so he could be doing something like that but i don't i don't ever see it you feel me i think people judge you as far as they can see when it comes to certain things. Yeah, like why does Jeff Bezos buy the Washington Post?

Is that fun? Like what's the point of that? To control a narrative? A horrible business. Yeah. The worst possible business you could buy. Why is he doing that? And I love my fucking Kindle.

Why is the Washington Post automatically the first thing I see when I open up my Kindle? What is the Washington Post automatically the first thing I see when I open up my Kindle? What is the Washington Post? Obviously, they're coming from a very left agenda, which no journalist should be on either side of the spectrum, but at least most of us kind of know that. But that also affects the narrative. And what does Amazon rely on? It relies on delivering things to people. So who have they taken out? They've taken taken out retailers they've taken out people who can't deliver as effectively so why is he advertising the washington post to me when the washington post

has written in support of extensive lockdowns regardless of whatever data was coming out during covid while amazon was just going for the roof that's not okay that's an action and that's and that's because now we're getting to now we're getting to something that's roof that's not okay that's an action and that's and that's because now we're getting to now we're getting to something that's pretty that's very serious like when it comes to like the media the narratives that are pushed to the masses that that make us think one way or another especially we're talking about the covid thing because on the grand on the grand scheme of things when it comes when it comes to covid i don't think anyone knows how serious or not serious it really is. Because of the, because of the, what I mean by that, what I mean by that is nobody knows what's true, what's not true.

Because one, either they're hiding. My biggest thing is why is information being held from us so we don't know what the real extent of what's going on really is do you think it's because do you think it's because they don't want us to get into disarray if it's super serious or they don't want us to know that it's not as serious as they make it be stay talking go on a monologue here because i i think because there's a lot of things that could happen like if we realize if we realize that it is it is as serious or even worse than than what they put out there i think people go into chaos all right what am i going to do they go and they go into like shutdown mode society we're not we're not going to do anything we're going to be in our houses the way we were forever because we it's something crazy and then people

like jeff bezos they can control whatever they want to control but but then if we get to the point where it's not as serious how do you think that's going to reflect the people that were saying it is serious whether it's our government saying it is it or isn't and i don't and i don't and i don't know what it is what it's not i believe it's a i believe it's something that's obviously there what about the fact let me ask the question right back on you though what about the fact that me ask the question right back on you though what about the fact that the people who are saying it's serious also are the people who after it's quote-unquote not in your hypothetical scenario right there yeah are also the people who are gonna control the

narrative after the fact roads we talk about the game I think it's part of the game on a larger scale because cuz I'm who am i to say that it's not a serious thing when there's people out there dying you feel me who am i to yeah who am i to judge and say that it's not yeah when people are being affected people are losing jobs things of that nature do you think though because and this is a very quick highlight of opinion it's it's a lot deeper than this and more complex but i look at it at the highest level of you generally seem to have two schools of thought that even if there's a lot of people in the middle of it the people whose voices get heard on social media and in public institutions are either it doesn't exist it's bullshit yeah or it's the worst thing of all time

it's killing 30 of us or whatever right i happen to think both are full of shit i of course it exists we've been around this a lot of us know people who died or you know were affected like it's way worse than the regular flu the data also shows that the data also shows though that it ain't killing 10 percent of society you know like the data also shows that there is a significant significant increase in people who are going to have future inability to earn as a result of this and also mental health and and all the nasty things that come with that that i think a lot of us have people around us who have been affected by that heavily of course it's it's and we talk about slippery slope this is a slippery slope this is definitely slippery slope because like when there's so much information being pushed out to us how do you how do you know which information to take in that that's true or

it's not true like how how do you dictate that though that's so that's that's something i don't like how do you yeah you can say oh this is a credible source or whatever it may be but if you have somebody like jeff bezos who's running a credible source which is the washington post over time that's they built their credibility people read what's in there if it's not an op-ed it's it's it's a factual uh factual article that's out there then they're gonna go with it because over time washington the washington post built their credibility of being a reliable source but if you have somebody now that's controlling the narrative whatever it may be where does that put the people i feel like

the people are in a bind because they're we've gotten to a point where some people don't know what to believe a lot of people don't yeah and it's and it's and it's a scary place to be in because because we're in a bond like this. Some people don't know when the next meal is going to come. They don't know if they're living with their parents. They don't know if I step outside and I go across the wrong person and I bring that back home, I could affect my parents. But when you bring out the numbers and the statistics and saying, like, oh, this amount of, like, if you contract it or maybe, like, the percentages are very low or whatever. i forget the numbers you put out but and then you look at that's what's like oh i can before before the podcast yeah it's like i don't know what to think it's and it's something that's something i think about all the time because it's it's it's

a confusing time that we're in it's very confusing that's an understatement of the year it's a very confusing time that we're in i'm confused every day man i'm even just talking now the things that i'm saying right now it's like it's like my thing is like is that true is that true because you just think you get in your world when the thoughts it's like have you seen the cyclone of topics we've ripped through so far it's something that we're not going to get back to just like that related to each other in a weird way yeah it shows you all you need to know yeah and to be clear i always refer to i because i'm not a covet expert always make that clear not at all i just refer to

the the data that i get from the cdc right so the report that extensively broke out the quote-unquote mortality analysis across age groups was september 10. I'll put it in the show notes. I've put it in there a million times on the website, but you know, it talks about the dangers in different age groups. So the most deadly effect of COVID is the last age group, which is 70 and above, which covers everyone up to 95, whatever. So I don't know if it's more dangerous for a 95 year old versus a 75 year old i just assume it's all roughly the same right those people have a 94.5 chance percent chance of survival of cases that we know about right which means you know there's a 5.5 chance they're going to die you know who am i to say that grandma dying at 92 versus the fact that she could have lived at 95 and had three more years with you doesn't matter.

I'm not the person to say that. We're not. That's bullshit, right? Yes. That's someone's mom. Exactly. That's someone's grandma. Exactly.

Like you can't do that. You can't. You can also then on the other end be like, okay, well, people between the ages of 4 and 17, for example. I don't remember the exact number, so I won't give it, but there's a lot of zeros after the point right of course so like chances are i mean you don't want your fucking kid to get it right exactly if your 10 year old got it in quarantine prior all the vaccines coming out and everything you're probably thinking to yourself after he comes out of it like oh all right that's a relief that's over you know what i mean and i think i think when it comes to that too as well is it may not even just be like they're worried about their kids getting because they know that it's not affecting them as much as it may do older

persons just maybe who they come across yeah i think that's this i think that's where this the this um what's the word i'm looking for um people being frightened comes from um it's not so it's it's it's when it's not the kid contractings are who they're going to give it to yes that's the scary part and that's what i talk about when we talk to the beginning of talking about covet is we don't really know what covet is and what like what's like how it goes from person to person how it's going to affect the another. Because you can have a kid that shows no symptoms. Mm-hmm. A lot of them, yeah. You have an adult that shows no symptoms.

And it's like, we don't really know what's going on with it, which is a crazy thing. We can have all the numbers, all the facts, but it's like, I just want some transparency. Be like, what's really going on? You feel me? Good luck. It's just, that's my biggest thing. And I have my own thoughts about like the government for transparency and i want to get your thoughts on the vaccine i want to hear that let's get to

the vaccine you can't just leave me with that though what are your thoughts on the government with transparency i love that i love ripping on the government so let's go um i think i don't ever think we're going to get full transparency from the government. Agree. Do I think the people want full transparency? Yes. Do I think we're ready for what's really what's really going on? No. Also agree.

Because I think there's some stuff that's that's so high level that if we really knew what was going on, people would maybe be in panic. They wouldn't know how to react to it. And I think it's the government's job to keep people in a calm state, a state of, I say, comfortability. And I think that's like when we were talking about Trump earlier and him coming and being so outlandish, saying different things and giving people a voice that didn't have have it people weren't used to that so that change that happens like you incited a group of people maybe that we've never heard from before gave people gave people a voice to do certain

things even with the capital stormy things like that who would you ever thought that would happen would I ever thought that could that situation that situation before before before the presidency do you think that would have happened like would you ever envision people storming taking over a capitol building are you talking about pre-trump yeah be able to envision it sure think it's gonna happen yeah no that's what I mean. And now he works – I don't want to say where he works, but he works on government shit as an on-the-ground kind of guy. I'll just leave it at that. He texted me something really simple when that was going on that day.

He said, look, you go into the Capitol, you get shot. It's just not very complicated. That's just how it is. You breach the Capitol. All right. That's it. That's what I was getting at. That's the point I was getting at.

And you're asking me if I thought that was possible. Possible? Yes. Likely? No. After what I've seen over the last five years, did I think something, what I've said, the Capitol building? I don't know. Probably not.

There's a lot of fucking buildings out there. After what I've seen in the last five years, do I think that was something that was surprising? No. I don't. Let me rephrase my question. Yeah yeah how do you think they handled the situation do you think the way they handled this situation will the government the security whatever it may be the police you thought you said your friends sent you a text message saying that if you enter the capital the capital building you're getting shot especially everything that's going on in society

and stuff that's that's way less severe people get shot for way less do you think if that if that were let me ask you this if that were a black lives matter protest do you think there would have been that few cops there no exactly no that that's my point yeah it was it was the the police officers who were there were in a situation to fail there were like five of them i mean not literally but you know what i mean why do you think that is though why why why do you think why do you why do you think that is though you gonna make me put on my tinfoil hat let's get to it man let's get to i'm interested to hear why why do you think that is you know the capital riot was particularly annoying to me, not because I could have seen the censorship coming behind that and that making it never fucking go away. But it just kept the conversation going out.

We couldn't just get a fucking transition of power and move on with life. Now we have this thing that happened where people are righteously pissed but i looked at it and i said you know who's in charge of of the security there forget trump being totally careless like let's be clear here they scheduled that rally like four weeks before we talked about the ncaa people being in a room before the rich paul rule goes out you know many people are in are in the fucking oval on a daily basis or in the offices around the oval and not one person not one person said you know getting like 500 000 not very happy people about how the election went after the election was certified to come to washington dc while the government is in session there could be a couple

things to go wrong here no one asked that question so i have no sympathy for them whatsoever what i will say is that it's not like the anyone regardless of political party who is in the established order of business in washington dc like donald trump right that was something the republicans democrats there had in common and whoever's making the decisions to set up security and and how that goes around that building is not him yeah so why were there five fucking cops there that's my question right it's like okay you had all these cops in in fucking military gear when all the when all the protests were going on over the summer i'm not even gonna say that was wrong there was some crazy shit happening where the protests weren't protests anymore and there were a select group of people who ruined it for everyone else

fine well it needs to work both ways you know you have a fucking million people flying into washington dc who are pissed off why do you not have the you know 435 or 535 whatever yeah it's like 535 total i think senate congress right yeah something like that whatever the fucking 500 people in there who are who are conducting government business why are they not why are they not protected that's my biggest thing i just want to i that was my biggest question one why aren't you prepared two if it would if if the rules were reversed and was a different group of people the outcome would have been different yeah people more people were getting shot yeah if it rolls were reversed yeah I know it's a

crazy thing to think about honestly it is it's tough watching those videos though and seeing I mean again the cops were in an unwinnable situation, right? They had all these people coming in there, and there's five of them. Yeah. It's tough when you see some of the videos where they were literally like, All right, back her up, Sean. And they're, like, taking the fucking thing down. Like, all right, walk this way.

It's ridiculous. It's like, what are you doing? Yeah. What are you, like, calling backup? Something. At least, like, make the call. Definitely. what do you what do you like call in backup something at least like make the call definitely and now that since we're on this conversation in terms of how how officials handle stuff and

and deal with certain things in the light of the shooting that happened in boulder i'm sure you saw that and the stuff that happened with with the asian community um prayers out to everybody that that was involved and affected by that how how do you feel about how when mass shootings happen, when the racial disparity, if it's, I'm going to use the racial, when it's a white person. Go there. Versus a black person. Yeah. They're handled differently. From your perspective.

Because we come from two different worlds. So I want to see your views, what you see, and why that type of thing happens. I think the media plays a huge role. The first thing I got to say is I think the media is full of shit okay i think that they are a group think machine that operates on how to get to the next profit and like any business we talk about free markets earlier that's how the free market set up and i think they wear the veil of wokeness over a face of disdain for that wokeness and so i think that when they create situations where they come out and pretend to be all about racial equality and i'm just picking the highest level issues right and all this and then sell the same they're part of the

same problem because they don't you know the only example i ever saw where i felt like okay that was that was good how they treated that one like they really demonized him was like the dylan roof scenario but what did we see in that situation remember how he was like taken into custody i think it was like pretty peaceful yeah it's like all right turn around like that's not a media problem i'll admit that's not their fault it's not a media right but that's another institutional problem so that that part wasn't good but the media vilified him and righteously so how many situations though do we see where you know we were using the example earlier of judges more likely to put a higher bail or bond on on latino and black defendants

than they are white defendants why do you think that is part of it could be built in prejudice is sure part of it could be subconscious where they really don't mean it they don't know they're doing it right which still doesn't solve the problem but at least like you know they're not a racist asshole the other part of it is the programming they've taken for years and years. Like the Central Park Five, they showed all their mug shots. All of them? All of them on TV. Every single one.

Does someone look good in a mug shot? No. No, they do not. Right? And you'll see it. You'll see the marketing around this stuff. And at the time, before he was president, Trump bought a whole page talking about they deserve the death penalty, whatever it may be. What did I tell you earlier?

The guy, if you let him talk, he'll shoot himself in the foot yeah yeah so true he took that out and like i think he later said like he got that one wrong quietly but say it say it as loud as loud as you said in the first place yeah and that's where people have a problem with people like trump and they should you know and and that's the that's the court of public opinion why is a real and i know this is 1988 we're legislating something from back then but let's do it why is a real estate tycoon with a building on 57th street in manhattan commenting on a case that hasn't even like gone to a jury trial yet at all and say i what were the he was like fry him or something like that something like that you know that nature something gruesome stupid why like what do you think of that the court of public opinion we have now do you think

people can even get a fair trial in this country bro it's hard yeah i feel i feel as though it's supposed to be what you're supposed to be innocent to proven guilty i think it's reversed nowadays it is i agree you're guilty until you can prove that for a reasonable doubt that you didn't do what you did and it shouldn't be that way i feel as though like everybody should have their day in court i say that all the time everybody should have their day in court even if you at the end if you did commit the crime you should sell your day of court tell yourself a story at the end of the day you still did the crime you feel me yeah you're gonna get your punishment but say what you have to say doesn't mean it's going to change anybody's opinion.

But you should be able to say what you have to say. That's that's where you get judged. But I mean, I don't know. It's it's something interesting to think about. And I wonder if that's ever going to evolve or that's ever going to change. where where we get to the point where we really judge people off of facts instead of opinions that are put in front of us i think that's going more and more downhill every day yeah i think we're getting farther and farther away from the facts part not that we were ever 100 there yeah but i think facts get lost nowadays and it i empathize with the people in the situations too until they do something fucked up what i mean by that when you see prosecutors just trying to

get a win yeah it's gamified right they want how many prosecutors do you see get a big job as a defense attorney open up a big firm after they became a prosecutor all of them i'm not saying they're all bad for doing that right but if they you know their job isn't to be the pope right and be like you know what you probably didn't do this crime you know what jim we'll leave that one unsolved no that's they're gonna get fired for that because the system tells them that oh no you can't do that you have to get a result yeah you have to get a result yeah you know and there has to be a point though where you take accountability on that and i don't want to pick on people publicly and and take political sides with public figures but

we have seen plenty of people because a lot of lawyers become politicians who openly prior to ever holding office when they were prosecutors and stuff did fucked up things. You know, they wanted to win because that's going to get them the next job. And so they suppress evidence. They don't give a fuck whether someone's innocent or guilty. They need a result. And they also – how many times have we seen false confessions of people who are put into that position psychologically to do so yeah that happened in the central park five if you watch the documentary that the kid that was a 17 year old um

i can't remember his name so i don't even want to get it wrong but yeah they made they made him they kind of forced him to say something that wasn't true and they didn't kind of they did force him to say something that wasn't true and that and that he was in jail for a long period of time lost a lot of his life because he didn't know the situation when he was in um i'm working on getting a very close friend of mine who's an extremely busy guy extremely busy guy so i don't want to say who he is or whatever but working on getting a really close friend of mine in here who's let's just say his background is interrogation okay right one of the preeminent interrogators in the history of this country and i want to talk to

him about that a lot yeah because he absolutely had to get results you know and he worked in a the biggest of places and he's very very open and like he's brutally blunt about cases in his career like nope this one was wrong yep that one was right like he'll fucking tell you what it is but the one of the things i have at least broached with him that i want to go deeper into is the psychology of it you have a guy who's in there who you think may have done this thing or whatever and because your hunch is that and you may very well be right but there's the off chance that you're wrong are you thinking about there's the off chance that you're wrong or are you going in there thinking about how for the next after making him sit there with his

thoughts in an empty room with mirrors around him how you're going to get him to go crazy after six hours and then force him into a corner where he accidentally says something that's not true it's i forget the psychological terms i don't want to fuck him up but he'll know them right how much of that happens and then how many times do you look back two years later or a month later like you know i don't know about that one i think that happens a lot a lot more than we think probably there's a lot of situations i mean everybody has their breaking point. Everybody has their threshold. Like, when we were talking about would you rather somebody be blunt and be upfront racist and talk down to you, whatever it may be, but allow you to get your money, I feel as though everybody has their threshold of how much they can take from that. Like, there's going to be some point where you can't, I'm not going to allow you, I don't care how much money I make you with you, you're not talking to me this way. Sure, yeah.

I'm not going to allow you to. Principle. Yeah, it's that principle. Do you think principle, I want to get away from the law stuff. Do you think when it comes to business, do you think principle gets lost because people just want to win? Absolutely. Oh, my God. Oh, my God.

Absolutely. I've seen it all the time. In smaller situations. Yeah. People want a result. They care about what other people think of them they want to show and now we live in this social media society where people gotta you know put twenty five thousand dollars in cash on a lambo to say they're doing something yeah and and i want to speak on that a little bit because like with industry i'm in and the things that i do with

like marketing and advertising i see that all the time people want that that viral moment but i always pose the question wouldn't you rather want to wouldn't you rather build a back catalog of information a back catalog of things that prove you are what you're trying to be and then get on so people can prove it or would you rather get in a situation we catch a viral moment now people are expecting that from you but you don't even know how you got there you you ask your potential clients that i talked not even just asking this i have conversations honest conversations i tell them there's there's two there's different routes you can go all the time you can say oh i just want to try to get a viral and won't catch it it's all about what

people want in this situation trying to get because some people don't nobody comes in with the same motives some people just want to come in get the problem you they can get out of that moment and move on to the next thing and use that as leverage whatever it may be but some people they want to they have aspirations to be in it for the long haul so they they understand that they can comprehend that such a good question man yeah i'm just really thinking about that i don't i don't want to respond right away because it's i feel like that's the core of a lot of issues regardless of industry it's the core of like how social media trial tribal culture is to get results yeah right like what are those results i used a very stereotypical example of the kid with 25 grand on in cash on a lambo okay that's

ridiculous but how many people are doing things that maybe aren't that visceral that are strictly to get that viral moment and say like I am when they're not. They're not. They don't really know this thing. They don't. And then also when are – like I feel really bad for people who get a lot of attention at a young age. People look at like Justin Bieber and say look at all the mistakes he made along the way. Okay. If you had every teenage girl in America not allow you to walk anywhere without getting moshed at the age of 13 and never knew another reality.

You're telling me you wouldn't make some mistakes too? You're going to make mistakes. You're out of your fucking mind. You're 13. You haven't even had a chance to experience anything these balls haven't dropped you know so i empathize with it you know and that's all our shared experience but i think that's such a great question i'm impressed that especially in the business you're in where it would almost behoove you to not ask a question like that because chances are you're talking to

people they want to have what the other people have yeah and then you walk in and say well are you sure about that yeah some people are gonna be like fuck you dude yeah you because they see they see the end result bro they see the end result they don't understand what it takes to grab that they don't understand what it takes to they don't understand what it what it means to to be lebron james at 15 and be a star and have that pressure on you and and have to watch that walk on a, on a tightrope. You go left to right the wrong way. You're going to get crucified.

How many times have we seen him get crucified for the littlest things? Yeah. Yeah. They were saying he was the greatest when he was 15 years old and have to live with, if you don't, if you're, if you don't live up to being the greatest of all time,

you're a bust. You are hitting everything. Yeah. I love this. Yeah. If you don't, if you don't, if you don't, not if you have a good career, you don't want to win championship. If you're not the greatest of all time everything yeah i love this yeah if you don't if you don't if you

don't not if you have a good career you don't want to win championship if you're not the greatest of all time in our generation not even our generation of all time you are a bust in the nba so i want to get your thoughts right on that example though yeah because we've already talked about lebron today but i have a very mixed relationship with lebron james very mixed okay first of all i don't think he gets enough credit for a lot of the great things he does backing up, never forgetting where he came from off the court, including when he went to Miami. He never lost his roots with Akron, ever.

I really admire that. I think the I Promise school is crazy in a good way. Just awesome what he's doing there. I think it also touches people of all backgrounds too who happen to come from a similar community and that they don't have a lot of resources right so it's all around things like that are a beautiful thing i also we've commented today on some of the power he gives athletes i think a lot of that is positive i do think LeBron James is a raging narcissist, as a lot of these guys are. And he does bother me sometimes with how strong he is on opinions.

I get similar vibes from him sometimes from a very different angle than I do from Trump. Explain that. Go into that a little. Because I'm not going to say I've never heard that opinion but it's an out there opinion yes I've heard it a few times but not too many he is very especially politically you know he got very active when it came to Trump versus Hillary and since then he's been very very active on things and I think that not that he shouldn't speak his mind like I don't agree with like what what the girl said shut up and dribble thing you

don't agree with that oh my god no i wasn't that's another level she's out of her fucking mind for i know what you're saying when it came to that same lady's praising john voight for giving the you know vote for god and trump you know at the front of the fucking rnc people people have their own opinions based on their own biases she's fucking crazy for saying that i wasn't even gonna go there next level down where you see like zlatan ibrahimovic okay is that how you say his name it's pretty soccer player you pronounce it probably better than i could who's a savage that guy's fucking if you ever listen to him he's he's like crazy yes it's hilarious to listen to but you know he gives the opinion a few weeks ago on on lebron with politics and some of what he's getting at, I agree with.

But he was basically saying to LeBron, don't talk on any of it. I don't talk on any of it, so you shouldn't either. And that's wrong. LeBron should be able to speak on things. I think LeBron is very, very dismissive of other things i empathize with the fact that a lot of it has to do with his experience and how he feels like the same people he dismissed have dismissed him his entire life all right let's talk about the dismissive what do you think he's very dismissive of i think he's dismissive of anyone like you talked about earlier like the black community anyone who

would dare how is my phone ringing i have my phone on airplane mode happens it's all good that's some crazy shit anyway all right well that's nuts fuck apple's slacking anyway i know it's i know for a fact it's on airplane mode and do not disturb so that's that's some wild shit anyway so where was i with lebron and you're talking about he's very dismissive yeah so i think that like you talked earlier about people in the black community who wouldn't vote democrat and stuff like that he's he is clearly very dismissive of people who would dare not vote for those candidates or whatever do you think so i do i could be wrong about that that's the way it appears what i will hedge that with is i'll say how much of that has to do with the fact that it was Trump in there when he was saying this stuff. Probably a lot of it. Right? So it could be more just he really the narcissist point comes in. And this is where I have a lot of empathy. And this is why I have such mixed emotions. And like, he's an unbelievable player. He is the Bo. Incredible. Deion Sanders. Incredible.

No one's ever been six foot nine and run like a goddamn gazelle. And I don't know what he benches. He probably can excel in other sports as well without a doubt. He'd have been the best

fucking football player. Best everything. Right? Phenomenal. If I were 14 years old, 13 years old, came from nothing, didn't have a dad in the house,

had a mom who at least appears to have had some issues at some point or another like did not have a total in any way stable environment and all these fucking slick back hair white dudes were coming up to me calling me the king calling me the chosen one putting me on the cover of sports illustrated at 16. anyone who says that they would not have narcissistic tendencies out of that is not thinking of it clearly of course you would that's not his fault that in my opinion that's an environment thing and i also think and like sometimes i get frustrated and i'll like lash out at shit he says where it's like come on like i really did fucking jacob blake thing that bothered

me that he made that all about him jacob blake while we can all agree that was a donut patrolman who looked you're not allowed to say the word i was about to say who looked like an idiot on camera you know what i was about to say on camera like freeze freeze like like he had never used a gun in his life we can all agree like that was crazy but the whole situation of like well who was jacob blake what was he doing this is a guy who shoved an iphone up a female's you know what and then broke a restraining order and then had three kids in the car and whatever and was a fucking predator and they almost shut down the whole fucking league over him you need to think about that you need to think about the fact that he was they tried to tase him twice they tried to restrain him i think once right and so the end result was wrong right like that's not what we want to see but he was also approaching a car with three children in the

back unhinged right and lebron shuts down the whole league over that and made it all about him all in my opinion all about him when i see shit like that i do get pissed off i do get pissed off at that because i'm like okay this is not about you there's a bigger problem here it's another example of a cop clearly not knowing how to do his job correctly why was the guy not restrained correctly the first time it shouldn't be that hard you know like you can think all these things at once so i do have mixed emotions on him, but I come back to the positive over the negative because he had very few opportunities in life and he fucking knocked out of the park

the greatest opportunity he had and has built on top of it and done a lot of positive to reinforce what he did by helping the communities he came from. is my end result with him probably vaguely my opinion but i just want to give you the context i hear what you're saying i mean when it when it comes down to the thing of always being in a limelight i mean you probably could get a big head over time sure like it's it's inevitable at the end of the day when you're climbing like you said the spotlight's on you so what i got out of what you said was pretty much that like when he when certain when he talks

about certain situations always somehow some way circles back to him and not every time but like in some instances where you feel like that the spotlight should be on that situation and not on lebron it somehow gets back to lebron yes and you don't like that don't love that no okay that's a lot of let's be honest though no no, no. I could say that about Bezos. No, no, no, no. I've heard that before. That's what I'm saying. That opinion, I've heard that before.

I know, like I have some friends that absolutely dislike LeBron to like the highest extent. Like not to the, even more than, you know how you said you like, you dislike that certain part of him. They don't like LeBron on a larger scale. Yeah. I know a lot of people like that too and me I don't I don't necessarily understand how you could hate someone so much that one when you talk about the American dream you can kind of own you can almost say that he embodies that when it comes to coming from nothing

completely and completely and he does what he has to do when he got to that when he got to that start he reached back and grabbed people his team around him Paul, Mav, Carter yep and then loyal to all his people

loyal to all his people put him in positions of power his team around him from the jump they're all winning all of them and then he he reached back

and gives back to the youth and serves as an inspiration to them he doesn't he's not one of those people where you can't he's tangible to the masses he's tangible does it and needs to be said does a better job than jordan did of that yeah no question yeah and you know you could say jordan didn't have the social media resources of his era fine but no question but but when people always bring that up

about about jordan in that comparison because that's always when you get off the court. Keep going. Yeah, when you get off the court. I don't know what's on my phone, but keep going. And it comes to that comparison after you get past comparing them as basketball players, as athletes, or whatever it may be. People always go back to, oh, LeBron does more off the courts. Maybe that's not Jordan's calling. That's what I say all the time.

Everybody doesn't have the same calling in life. Jordan's calling may not have been to reach back in and give back not saying that he shouldn't but that meant to be his focus and i look at i don't know how big you're into hip-hop but like meek mills using i use meek mill for example he went to jail and all of a sudden he kind of got thrown into prison reform and he and he tells me all the time this is not something i wanted to do but i kind of just got put in that position so he's doing the best he can in that situation he gets backlash all the time like you're supposed to be this this person of reform justice form you're out here doing outlandish stuff whatever it may be but it's like sometimes people are propelled into that position without being ready for it and that takes me back to what we talked about that question that i posed to you

do you just want to have that viral moment and not be prepared for it? Have that stardom and fame and not have any experience so when you get to that position, you don't know what to do with it? Or would you rather go through trials and tribulations for a period of time so when that time comes, you know how to react and you know how to handle certain situations? And that's what it comes to when i'm talking to different people about what they're trying to do with their careers well you're talking about meek mill before we even go back to that whole like do you want the one viral moment and like not to say that his whole situation was one viral moment because you even said it yourself he didn't choose to become a spokesman for that whole movement and everything.

But I think the thing that pissed everyone off about that is, I mean, the judge was crazy. Yeah. Obviously. Of course. But he was, the things he did in, what was it, 2008? Yeah, I'd say 2008. Yeah, what was he, 19 at the time? 20?

Something like that? Yeah, very young he was being held to before he was even big he's being held to that same like oh you're the same guy doing a little bit of some crazy shit when you were that age when he's older and now has a huge fucking target on him because he's really popular not to say like he didn't do a couple stupider things when he was bigger but was this guy hurting people was he was he out there causing enormous problems no he was not exactly and a judge cherry picked the situation and say mr mr meek mill you you violated your probation i'm sending you to jail what we talked about deterrence earlier what fucking deterrence is that that's that's a judge

trying to make a case uh you know swing their big dick on the table and say look what i can do yeah you know so i think even when you look at like these people who have like the viral moment with that not that he needed a viral moment this just made him an icon and whatever i think we have to think about the context on it too because a a lot of people don't choose that moment i mean technically no technically, no one chooses a viral moment, but some people try to hit for it. They try to hit for it. Right. But B, what is the importance of that viral moment, and how much can defining you by that,

or as a part of your definition being, I'm getting a little complicated, but having a part of you defined by that also have positive ramifications in the future? You know what I'm saying? Yeah, it can definitely have positive ramifications, but it's based on your track record at the end of the day in my opinion like when you hit that viral moment like meek mill um the reason that i feel as though in the beginning it went so well for him and he had so much support is because he had that back catalog and people saw what he came from that story was already there people understood his relationship with that judge that that what he was going back story was already there people understood his relationship with that judge

that that what he was going back and forth with who was asking him was who was asking meek and nikki minaj to perform for her or he's gonna say or she's gonna send him back to prison like there's some crazy stuff that was going on and and the things that he did at 16 17 when he's young whatever in the environment that he was in lingered lingered with him and stuck with him because his probation until he was 30 years old how many things could you and i have been arrested for that we did at 16 and 17 bro there's probably plenty of things that as just young kids just doing dumb stuff five just came into my head and it's just like at that point time that's when i say when we even going back to the beginning of our

conversation about different circumstances and scenarios and and having to judge accordingly when we're young in high school doing dumb stuff our parents know that we're still learning yeah they're hard on us but they don't put us in a position where we can't learn from it do you understand i'm saying like so mick mill he's 16 17 whatever may be okay he learned from that situation why should that stick with him for the rest of his life if it's if it's not something that that is super detrimental like killing somebody or whatever like the examples we gave prior if it's something where he did something dumb as a kid whatever may be if he learned from it understand what he did why should that still be his reality 15 years

later and the judge trying to say that he didn't learn from it because he violated some terms of his probation yeah what were those violations i don't even remember what they were but yeah i don't know exactly what it is but you know you know wasn't hurting yeah yeah like if you're if you're if you're communicating with somebody else that's a felon or whatever it may be. Oh, that's the stupidest one. You can go back to prison. That's the stupidest one. It's like – I think what he did was he forgot to tell his parole officer that he was crossing the border from Jersey to New York to go pick up his kid or something like that.

And I'm not even saying – like is that technically a mistake according to the agreement he had? Yes, it is. Yeah. context context you know is is he running around shooting off guns in the middle of the street because you know he wants to blow off steam no he's not no he's not okay you want to complain about that say that violates the probation needs to go jail okay all right i guess you have an argument there we We make these crazy, crazy stipulations. Again, it goes back to like, well, what's really being corrected? Is a free man really free when they get free? Or are they on parole for fucking 10 years?

They're not really free at the end of the day. No. You don't have a chance to come out of that in a lot of senses. Even with the Bobby Smurder situation. What was that situation? I don't have a chance to come out of that in a lot of in a lot of senses even even with the bobby smurder situation what was that situation i don't know much about that so like obviously with the song like i don't know the details of the case but him him and his friends did whatever um they they both they all got jail time bob bobby took some rap for um some of his friends so everybody get less jail time and everybody's kind of even now he's out and his parole is something where he has a curfew at eight for like the next for like the next five to seven years he can't he can't be around any any felons talk to

any phones or something like that he can't he can't um drink alcohol or whatever it may be for the next five to seven years so it's like you're putting these constraints you're set you're gonna put somebody in a position to go back to where they just came from and it's hard like especially with all all the things and temptations that are going on in the world yes maybe they shouldn't have done that when they were younger but they were teenagers when that happened as well because bobby he's our age maybe younger what what was i'm trying to think was it one thing with him or was it several i just want context i mean i i think i think it was probably multiple things i don't know because i don't know the details but it was it was probably like minor things you feel me come on either way yeah either way it goes yeah

you feel me and now now he comes out you feel me he has all this starting because people have been waiting for him to come out because he had that viral moment that time he was at the height of his he was very early but it was like he was on like people knew who he was about to take off so people were waiting for that now you have all all these things going on and you're already in a situation because you have to watch how you move in front of all the cameras and stuff like that. And people have to remember this. When you're in prison, bro, it's a whole different world in there. You've been out of society for seven years. Think about how much society changes from one to two years.

Three to four years. Now, imagine seven you have to get acclimated to the way people are moving nowadays with social media and things of that nature now and on top of that you're a superstar everybody's watching you talked about justin bieber and having to move and navigate life as a 13 year old how do you think someone coming out of prison is that it hasn't been in society he has to get re-acclimated and i heard i was watching i was i was reading something where it was on twitter a lawyer was talking about one of the one of the um people that just came out of prison that she was representing and she had to teach he was in there for like 10 to 15 years she had to teach him how

to write send the email use use a laptop he's never used a laptop before. And he has to get acclimated back into society. And people forget those things. It's hard for someone coming out to get back to a normal lifestyle if you haven't been around for what's evolved, what's going on in society today. It's hard enough. And then you put these restrictions on somebody to almost set them up to fail? Granted, yeah, you should pay for your crime or whatever it may be, but when you put somebody back into society, I don't think you should put them in a position

that's going to set them up to fail again to put them back to where they just came from. What sense does that make? Well, the system's set up to do that. No, no, of course, but I'm saying the grand sense of what sense does that make? It makes no sense. It's what we talked about right at the beginning,

Department of Corrections. Nothing gets corrected. Yeah not it's not set up for that do you think they set up florence supermax prison as as a correction facility no they set it up as you know locking in a box and throw away the key it's not call if you're gonna do it call what it is you know and it's another thing tough answer I mean it's what we started this entire conversation with there's tough answers to some of this stuff I want I had mentioned that this was a topic that came up with Anthony dappolito and one of the examples I used and it I just keep hearing it through themes you're giving but one of the videos I watched a few

weeks ago was for an emotional one to watch where a kid he was like 22 was had been found guilty of first degree murder and he had planned to rob a pizza delivery guy who was a kid and then it went south and he killed him and the father of the victim at the sentencing got on the stand and i don't blame parents of the victim who get on the stand and say fry him your your kid was taken away like you're gonna be mad super emotional emotions are running out of course you have some type of i have no judgment on that right so i don't want to say like the other parents are wrong for doing that this guy got up there and he turned to the judge it was a capital murder case by the way could be given the death penalty turned to the judge and he said you know my son died i can't

change that he didn't deserve to we all agree with that this guy killed him we all agree with that that that happened not that we agree with it but what about this kid's background broken home never had a shot had all his eggs in the basketball basket which didn't work had no money no future got in got in with the wrong people because he had no guidance at a young age 18 19 you know my kid wasn't in with the wrong people and then was desperate and did something really stupid that can't be undone are we gonna say that now two lives have to end because somebody who has to take responsibility for their actions don't get me wrong was put in a system that's set up to fail i don't think that's the way we go here and then he got up and he hugged the guy

and you could say you know yeah you could see it in that kid this kid's in an orange jumpsuit he did it right you see that human moment and you you see him recognize like it all hits him and then the judge had to excuse herself she was like in tears and she came back and i think she gave him like 20 25 years which is a lot of time he's gonna ruin his life right but there's a there's a light at the other end of the tunnel. And I'm not saying everyone needs to be the pope there and be able to have that strength or whatever. But it does make you think, you know, what are we – how do you make those judgments? How do you balance – right to the beginning of the whole conversation here once again, but how do you balance that whole deterrence versus also, okay, certain things can't

be undone. How do we fix this moving forward? How do we put someone in the right mental position to try to fix themselves? If you don't think that kid is now going into jail right now with an entirely new perspective on life because of the power of that moment, you've lost your mind. He has, I guarantee you, he's going to have a relationship with that father for the rest of their natural lives you know and and i see something like that of course it's a special moment right it's emotional it's heavy but you wish more of that could be injected in into situations not just with crime and punishment but with anything in society like have some empathy you know i have some empathy for people for sure and like with that being said like outside of like common punishment

just just have empathy for people in their situations and because I always try to put myself not now I'll say this I always try to put myself in other people's shoes when it comes to situations like that the common theme has been like perspective so it's like when you get into a situation it's like why did they react that certain way to to so it's like when you get into a situation it's like why did they react that certain way to to whatever it's being done has there has there like junior college taught me this because a lot of people that don't know about junior college i went to i went to um garden city community college it's it's one of the top junior college football teams but like the environment there is is crazy you really that's the place where I say I became a man, quote unquote. Why? And I say that because

when you're a judoka, it's a melting pot of people that come from Division I. They didn't do what they had to do. People that were overlooked. People that messed up and missed their opportunity to capitalize. People that come from backgrounds, they came out of jail and are trying to get a second chance

at what they were chasing after before they went in there and and and you have to learn to deal with so many different backgrounds and and empathize with people and how they react to something like and that's why that's why i empathize with coaches and how they deal with situations coaches are almost like the greatest like game man some coaches i'll say are like almost greatest like life man is not even game in his but life managers because they you have to deal with somebody not only on the football field but outside of the football field I like that you said some by the way yes some because not everybody's not everybody's good at it in some people have to realize they aren't but I'll say I'll say my coach coach coach Sims that wasn't you he was

good at that he was good at at put getting the best out of somebody he wouldn't let you be mediocre when he saw you had that potential to be something great you're saying and i feel like there's few and far between people that know how to do that to push the right buttons to get the get the right thing out of you you know i'm saying so like back to back to moments where maybe you're broken you hit rock and bottle not everybody knows how to bounce back to back to moments where maybe you're broken, you hit rock bottom. Not everybody knows how to bounce back to that. I didn't like when I went through situations where, like I told you before, like I had every accolade probably you could think of when it comes to like football, like all state, that type of stuff. But when I went to Kansas State for the first time to try to follow my my pops, his footsteps, my brother's footsteps, and go there and play football.

I got cut day one. They gave us a walk-on trial, cut day one. Never been cut from a football team in my life. Day one. So they didn't really look at it. They didn't really look at it. You see, they gave me opportunity. You know what I'm saying?

And granted, the year before, going into my senior year, they're talking about, I'm going to offer you a scholarship, this and that. But they see, but they see oh you got a nerve david so walk on and try to we'll give you opportunity oh that's when that's it yeah come on walk on we'll give you opportunity you need to get a little stronger we'll give you opportunity get there day one cut so i take i take i take a i bet on myself i said i'm i'm leaving here and you know i'm saying i didn't reach my goal here that's my first time i failed when it came to football. I went to junior college. First year, got registered.

It came kind of late. The coaches didn't even know I was going to be there. I got connected by a mutual friend, my brother's friend, JK, Jeff Kelly. He was a defensive coordinator at the time. He said, come here. You can walk on, whatever it may be. Get an opportunity to try to get a scholarship somewhere else. So I'm thinking I'm playing for somebody I know.

Whatever he leaves goes to Fort Scott. First year, I registered. even get to don't even get to play whatever may be a practice squad all that stuff second year comes around new coach this is first year coach sims company so i'm thinking i'm gonna get a new opportunity new fresh set of eyes doesn't doesn't doesn't really happen like that i go through camp and what people need to know about junior college in kansas junior college at the time when i was in there only 20 out-of-staters make the roster over 150 kids get invited to the camp like over 60 have to be kansas kids because the kansas junior college is made for that and you feel me so i got to that point i'm competing with guys that are in the league now starters in nfl but i feel as though who is there i'm just curious like so you have not you have Lonnie Johnson he's a starting DB for Houston Texas um you have who else

is in the league right now the guy that came after me I'm trying to think of offices on that team that went to the league um the corner for for the Vikings he came after me he went to UCF I forget his name um mike something i forget his last name yeah i can't think of his name right now lonnie johnson was there but there's a couple other guys some guys that you never heard of that should have been in the league but they couldn't make it you feel me it's cool that some people actually did through the system yeah yeah there's a couple guys that that made it um but oh arlington hanbrough he starts for the um he's the offensive lineman starts for the chicago bears okay he's guy. So back to the story at hand.

I got to that point. I'm thinking I'm going to get an opportunity to make it. I did everything I had to do. Comes down to the day where cuts are being made. You're going to be the first person that if somebody gets hurt, you're going to be on the roster. So you mean I didn't make it? I went through all this.

You gave me an opportunity, whatever it may be, and didn't make it. So the crazy thing about that situation is game one, my boy Alex Figueroa breaks his foot, linebacker ahead of me, breaks his foot. And I'm thinking, this is my opportunity. By grace of God, week one, I'm gonna get my opportunity to play a full season, get a scholarship to go to the next round. Doesn't happen. He puts a quarterback on the roster ahead of me. At linebacker? Not at linebacker, he puts a quarterback on the roster ahead of me at linebacker

not a linebacker but puts a quarterback on the roster just as a position because yeah because you have 20 slots yeah it's like i think quarterback i was but that was the first time i ever just broke down and just cried bro and that was a very i hit rock bottom i i had a i had a moment in time where i could have been like my rock bottom's gonna give up on this this dream whatever may be and just go back to where I was failed is this your second year this is my second year okay so you usually get two years yeah it's my second year today I'm just at rock bottom bro and it's just like I have opportunity to either let rock bottom just bury me and not come back from there some people would have just left because they don't want to handle that situation but because of my background my whole life I've been doubted with the nerve damage in my arm and

i've overcame that over and over again i knew how to handle that situations that i'm gonna keep going and prove them wrong so every day i practice until like week six of the season i was adam i was coming at the best player um trying to take that up every day in practice going hard every day like you pick this person over me because I'm gonna prove you wrong And that's just the mentality that developed over time Finally like week like six four games left in the season He puts me on because the guy had me got in trouble or something like that kicked off the team I got my opportunity to shine

And I think i'm about to get a scholarship to go wherever Doesn't even happen, bro. You know what happened? A coach came to the school he said we i'm looking for a linebacker my coach had me and the kid that got kicked over the team my coach pointed me and said oh i think i picked miles over this guy any day of the week because what he overcame you know what the coach said no i don't think you i don't think he has the ability to to perform at this high level. You know what I'm saying? And that just-

Was that a coach from college you ended up going to? No, no, no, no, no. That came way after. So we talked about trials and tribulations of being there, whatever it may be. I'm thinking I'm a failure, whatever. Probably like five months later, I'm waiting right before camp starts the following season. I get a call from CSU Pueblo. We want you, went out for Scottish Riding to be going to visit happens that way i don't get much playing

time as csv public whatever may be but that's not the point the point is that at that time even though when i got scotland i'm not even playing i have all these dreams to go to the next level but i already won bro it's about perspective people didn't even think i was gonna get to that point you proved the point i proved the point so like to yourself yeah i proved a point to myself and that's something i had to get over and i feel like a lot of people have to get over that too is that you're not doing stuff for the people on the outside it's more so for yourself and doing stuff for yourself at the end of the day and prove improving that you are what you think you are inspires the people that are coming behind you i talked about asian adrian adrian clayborne and how just seeing that allowed me to get to that position i got a

scholarship my dream was to get a scholarship so when i got that scholarship you feel me and sometimes i feel like people with the perception of social media and things that are going on they get lost in what really matters and the stuff that really means something the accolades are cool the money is cool but who'd you inspire along the way who'd you put a battery in their back to help them get to the next level that i think that's at the end that's what it's really about and we talked about amazon and people having power and and and and lebrBron and Rich Paul it's not so much about how much they have it's about who you're affecting along the way because the biggest quote that I always think about is is too bad I mean I inspire

everybody but but what I may inspire this I may spark this spark one do it that's all that matter give the full quote to people i love that you know this give the full quote he said he said i'm gonna say not quote me on this but he said he said i may not inspire everybody i might spark one one person that may change in generation something along those lines he said if i if i spark i'm not saying i'm going to change the world but if i spark but i guarantee you i'ma spark the one mind that does exactly and that and that's all that matters today and once I figured that out you feel me once I figured that out for myself my whole mindset changed bro my whole mindset the way I want to operate the way the way I wanted to

do things how I conducted myself because I know like even though I may not be a starter on the school that I'm in, me just competing at a high level with everything that I went through may push the guy next to me. If he's doing this with his, whatever they call it, I don't call it a disability, I call it a blessing at the end of the day. Why can't I compete at that level? I have no excuse to bring everything to the table and do everything in my power to be the best version of myself. And I feel like in the same process,

I kind of found, I feel like that's part of my calling at the end of the day. 100%. It's to show people, bro, if you believe in yourself enough, you can get exactly what you see. The road might not be straight and narrow.

The story I just told you wasn't straight and narrow i'm thinking out of high school i'm gonna go straight to college get a scholarship and be set nah i still reached my goal at the end of the day of getting of getting the scholarship and all that stuff but the road was up and down the ebbs and flows we talk about in school ebbs and flows and that's what matters you overcame that and that's and that's i think that's a representation representation of life in general life's never just a straight path you're gonna have your ups gonna have your downs how are you gonna react to that moment though that's the biggest question how are you gonna react to that moment and and not everybody's gonna react the

same everybody doesn't know how to react that's why you have people that are young and go to prison at young because they may not have had that experience or had that guidance to teach them how to react. And I think you have to empathize with that on some cases. But I think if the society gets to that point where you do that and give give the youth or give people the opportunity to bounce back from a position where they may be failed or a position where they weren't doing the best or did something dumb then then that'll be all the better for for for what society can be as a whole if that makes sense yeah 100 yeah i know exactly what you're saying and you even pointed out in there like some of the people we see on social media and right back to the comparison culture and stuff two things

number one to use a really generic one if you see a if you see a great looking tick tock female i see a lot of them yeah they're great i enjoy it i respect talent right not a lot of people look like that right the ones who do happen to be the ones who get on that page on the contrary kind of contrary when you see some of these people who did blow up like the 1%, I'm not just talking about them. I'm like TikTok women and whatever. I'm talking about like a Logan Paul or something like that. David Dobrik, who's a bad example to use right now, but you know what I mean, right? Like they, a lot of people don't see the things that went into getting there and the journey when they got there.

You know, like Logan Paul is a guy I respect the fuck out of because that kid worked. When you and I were 12, I guarantee you we weren't doing what he was doing. Probably not. That kid was like a two or three sport athlete and good, like really fucking good. And did pretty well in school and was building a youtube empire making content making content making content making content gets really big gets to a point where he does something really stupid right it was like the thing in the woods in in japan in the suicide woods or whatever gets a lot of shit for it you know goes through this whole public thing where

people hate logan paul and everything keeps going apologizes keeps making content keeps making content betters himself talks about it now openly writes about how i was really fucked up during that point in my life so like you see these people were first look right logan paul huge youtuber viral one percent one of the one of the one of the one percenter fuck him whatever you know no one has that well there's a lot that went into getting there there's the journey and like i look at your journey which is ongoing and everything but the earliest parts like your earliest goals were like all right i have something that is telling me like i'm born in a way that says i'm not going to be this i'm gonna go be that yeah and even if

you don't get the sunday accolades of saying you know you're suiting up number 58 on the philadelphia eagles or whatever maybe you don't get there you prove the point of yo i'm gonna have some of my college paid for by doing this and every time i hear no let's hope i hear it no you definitely went into it saying i hope i never hear no everyone does every time i do hear it though if it if it happens, I'm going to keep going. That's a superpower. Just keep going. Keep going.

And then eventually you get to a point where it's like, all right, maybe I didn't go to the NFL, but I did do this. And you talk about it. You need to prove it to yourself. And I think the big paradox to that is that we have to prove these things to ourselves because we think we have to prove them to other people. That acceptance, it is important. People talk – like Gary Vee is always talking about, don't give a fuck about what anyone else thinks about you. Right? That was a pretty decent impersonation.

That was okay. That was okay. We'll get there. I was a little off right there. I'll be better later but yes understand that to a strong extent agree with him but there is a part of you that always wants to be able to say again like you know you want to it's your peers and everything you want to be yourself so you don't want to sell yourself out but you do want to be able to say like hey according to the competition of life of what i did i did this thing well yeah

that is caring about what other people think and that's okay yeah i'd like to amend that and i think that's exactly what you did because you wanted to prove the point to yourself but you talk about also then being able to use it as an example for other people to come after you that is caring what other people think about you but for the every single right reason i really really admire that yeah bro i appreciate that i appreciate 100 and the crazy thing about it is like i knew like once i got to like csv public i kind of knew like where i was going to go football and all that stuff and you know i started playing my role and i think that's important in life as well with people you got to understand the role you're playing you know what i'm saying and when it comes to when it comes to your purpose in life i think you know everybody has a specific purpose

for their individual life but your purpose in everyone else's life differs because people always just think oh you have one purpose this is your life's purpose this is your goal this is i think individually that's for you but when it comes to the role you play in everyone else's life like say you have one friend that needs you to be there as a consultant and puts them in the right direction that's your purpose in their life it may not be your purpose like individually but for them that's the purpose you serve in their life but maybe you have another friend where you need where you need that where they need you to do whatever for them but but it differs from what you do for your other friends. And I feel like people get lost in that.

They feel as though this is all I'm supposed to do, whatever it may be, but that's not the case. It's not a one size fits all scenario. And people never think about it that way. And it's of a reason that I just started thinking that way. It's like, man, this is my purpose in my life. But when I started working with other people, trying to build a brand, trying to build MBT,

it's like,by on my podcast he doesn't need the same thing shannon needs when it comes to to get the best out of him or get the or get or get him to do more whatever it may be one one because they don't have the same goals and aspirations so you can't handle them the same that's important you feel me a lot of people don't realize that you don't have to be trying to build a brand and i see a lot of times with parents too like parents try to have a one-size-fits-all approach to to the way they kid or all their kids but all your kids aren't the same and i'm not anyone to tell you how to parent your kids but i feel like that's something you have to take into consideration just because one approach worked for for one child doesn't mean it's going to work for the other when it when it comes to your friends just because one approach works for your friends to get the best out of

them or get them to the direction that they say they want to do doesn't mean it's going to work for the next person and i feel as though if we sit back and think about that and and and just understand what that really means we'll be able to navigate certain things in certain aspects of our life and have a better quality of life and i think it'll take a lot of stress off of us in the long run because you're not trying why isn't this working why is this work maybe because you're not looking at the perspective you should be you think this works for this person you're saying so it's like i don't know what are your thoughts on that type of thing i think it's applicable to everything in society

that's my thought you talk about it on the most basic level which is critical which is like in the home like what are your what do parents want for kids and how do they view their their kids same or differently i'll relate it i could relate it to a whole bunch of things but i'll relate it to something i saw in my career my previous career i worked in money yeah right so i worked with really filthy fucking rich people yeah you know people who own sports teams sometimes and you know money that no offense to us you and i we don't get that right like we don't know what that is you know and we're trying to figure it out but you learn a lot about people when money is injected into the situation and unfortunately a lot of it can be negative but i one of the things i got really

curious about throughout my career was the people who found happiness and who did who truly did not to say the people who didn't were fucked up and their life sucked. No, no. But who was truly like, okay, I got a great life. I got a great family. I got a great situation. I worked. I did blank, blank, blank or whatever.

And here we are. I enjoy going to work every day. They're still working. We're in the middle of their career. Who could truly say that and who could do the ultimate create the ultimate magic the ultimate magic trick of not inventing more problems because of money more money more problems is the truest song ever that's crazy i was telling my pops that today actually we're talking about this like it's that's true now it's super true and i'm not even to the point where i'm at that but i see it like people i'm associated wherever maybe it's like

with that more problems definitely do come because more people start to rely on you they think they deserve what you have and that's something i feel is a lot of people have to get out the notion just because you know somebody doesn't mean when they come up you have to come up yeah they can help you and put you in a position to come up it doesn't mean when they come up, you have to come up. Yeah, they can help you and put you in a position to come up. It doesn't mean that they are required to give you what they have. Yeah. And I think people get lost in that, whether it's friends, family, whatever it may be, business partners. It's that gimme, gimme, gimme.

But what have you done to earn that seat at the table? Or what are you going to bring to that seat at the table if I put you there? And people always talk about opportunity and I don't get this and I don't get that. And I'll bring it back to my situation. If I didn't get cut, didn't make the team or whatever a couple of times, had to go through what I was going to do when I got that moment to shine and perform at a high level I think I truly think that I performed the way I performed when I got that opportunities because I went through that stuff and I understood like I'm getting my shot now I have to make the best of it because I know if I don't I can go back to where I just was yeah and I don't want to go back there and that's i don't even know

if you know you did this but that's that's another level to it a lot of people who get a lot of wealth didn't come from it a lot of people do a lot of people came from it right and they're born into money or whatever but a lot of people didn't come from it and they never forget not having it and that can work two ways to go right back to my original point yeah there's two roads people go with that the road of always creating problems and never satisfied because they are paranoid and terrified not only of they know what it's like to have nothing so not only of going back to not having anything but also what about the people that come after them their kids yeah everything and everything, and then the kids never have a shot

because they're so paranoid about it, they never give their kids a chance to figure shit out, right? The other way that that goes is people use that as motivation and perspective. And so the happiest people that I encountered were not necessarily the ones who had the most dollar amounts, though there were some filthy rich people i saw who i felt like really did it right you know they had they did a lot of charitable things i was never stressed never got a bad call if the market was down it was like oh okay you know and

and look maybe if i were worth hundreds of millions of dollars approaching a b maybe certain things wouldn't come out at least publicly to other people. Maybe there's a lot of problems behind closed doors that I'm just not even comfortable with talking with my private banker about. Okay, fine. Right. And notably my boss, I, a lot of it was witnessing what my boss dealt with because these were his relationships by and large. Right. So he was real, like maybe there were some things I didn't see, but I would see people who were really wealthy, who were happy. But, you know, if, if we worked with a bunch of people that my boss had worked with for years, who had hundreds of millions of dollars, and then we also worked with people who had

maybe 30, 40 or 50, which is still stupid money, but compared to those social circles, you know, the hundreds of millions of dollars guys, they do get the private jets and stuff yeah 30 million people they don't really do that like that's a bridge too far and some people are at home going oh i'm so fucking sorry to hear that but i'm just making it yeah you're putting on your i'm putting a visual relationship on it i'm i won't say who because you know it destroys confidences but some of the most happy people i saw i don't know if it has to do with the number or whatever but they but they were in that lower area. I'm not surprised. Because they had amassed, they by and large did not come from wealth, and they had amassed a lot of money that they had earned.

In some cases amassed less money than they were worth for what they actually accomplished. Like they would go into social circles with people worth hundreds of millions, and the people worth hundreds of millions assumed they were too yeah and they weren't right but they were never bitter about that because they created a great life they always had great families too they they had by and large they'd have kids who had a sense of work ethic to them so they weren't just totally giving them everything yeah you know? And I saw these patterns where it's downstream and where, you know, they didn't let that dollar sign become this, everyone has a handout and now I'm going to be bitter against everyone else and create problems where there aren't any. And I'm talking a little bit complicated right now. And I know some people who obviously weren't in this world,

maybe can't totally understand what I'm saying. but my point is that there is a way there is a number that for different people that is the word enough right there is the number that for different people says like wow i've done something really special here and have a chance to take the values not the money the values i instilled in myself to do that and pass them down and there are a subsect of people that for whatever reason be it environment the people around them or the choices they make have the ability to have that perspective and then use it for good and so money does not have to be this totally negative thing that like you know we create in society now with the wealth gap where it's like oh if you have it fuck you yeah doesn't have to be that you know we do have a wealth gap problem that is a fact

of course that is a fact man that's that without a doubt it's definitely a fact but back to your point of like doing doing things for the greater good and be able to like you said have what you have the value and bring it back that's kind of the direction i'm going with that is the direction i'm going with what we're trying to do over at mbt is is we're trying to create a space create a community where people can build from the ground up, take the values that they learn from experiences that they work with other people, apply it to what they're doing so they get to get to the big leagues. And once they get to the big leagues from their experiences, they can reach back and

grab somebody. Yep. And that's our whole model from the ground up. While we're on this, can you take people, I want you to take them through three things. We can attack them one by one, however you want to do it. But I want to go through MBT. I want to go through the Faces of the Future podcast, which you've had for two years now. I love that.

You guys have been doing it and fucking grinding for a long time. And I love the conversations. Appreciate that. Guy Moose is out of his mind. Shout out Moose, man. That's my guy. Great, great. I got to get him to have a

conversation with you i love dude 100 like i i and and now that i'm talking with you yeah i would witness in these in these convos especially like some of your social clips which are fire i would witness how even keel you are when he just comes in with heat yeah bro and now i see it too you really you're really right here you are yeah i love that but side note so i want you to tell people about that and then i also want you to get to because you were just hitting like you had a great monologue a few minutes ago going through using your your experiences and then therefore the platform you create as a source of inspiration for other people yeah you've done that with the scholarship you've set up and you're like fucking 25 or in

your 20s setting up a scholarship not a lot of people do this and it's walking the talk so i definitely want to get to that so that's a mouthful but let's let's just start wherever you want to start let's go let's start with um you just start the about the the creation of mbt we'll start there um so mbt started started in my college apartment 2018 what does that stand for next big thing it was my it started off as yeah it started off as my it was my handle on all my social platforms it was next big thing 34 34 was my high school number so i had it since twitter since i started on twitter next big thing sick logo by the way appreciate i'm a logo sucker that's a simple two-color logo mbt love it appreciate that appreciate that so that that's when we started in um in college 2018 um my graduation days when I really kind of like launched it

but it's the crazy thing is we didn't start off as a media consulting typing it was me just posting things that I appreciated whether it was sports start as a blog on Instagram me posting and reporting stuff about stuff that I enjoyed because before I was just caught up in football and I realized but I've done almost everything I could do when it came to the game, so let me explore other stuff, other creative stuff. I'm a very creative person.

The other creative things that really inspire me and what I'm into and see what attracts to it. So on game days, I'd be just posting stuff. Like, you're sitting in your hotel room before you go to the game. This is what happened. Let me report. Let me write a little blog on Instagram and post.

And I started posting, posting posting and people people around the um around the campus and friends back home was like yo you need to keep doing this and some of my friends that are in music was like oh can you advertise my stuff can you keep posting on your blog it got to like a thousand like a thousand five hundred followers whatever it may be and you're just posting like kind of inspiring shit not even inspiring bro it's like oh meek mill just dropped the record i like this and give i gave my thoughts on it or whatever may be just very pop culture pop culture whatever may be going on society and people and people i didn't know this happened when did this happen breaking news happened i would just write about it write my personal thoughts on it people gravitated to it followers started to grow like i said i have friends that were up

and coming in different industries like oh you post can you post about the brand that I'm doing and give your thoughts on it? Can you post about my music? Give a review. So that's when I kind of realized that there's like a little niche pocket. A niche pocket that I could do when it comes to advertising and marketing and putting people on, whatever it may be. And I realized like advertising and marketing is always going to need to be around. And before I even get to that point, when I first started with a couple of my friends, we were trying to do like a live stream thing where it's like oh this is how we're going to showcase people we want it to be a showcase platform where we just put on people that are up and coming

didn't work out that way the people that start with this doing like i don't think i have time for this would be so i just continue to do it myself you hit a good trend though yeah definitely live streaming yeah yeah what year is this this is this is 2018 yeah i mean we're all in different places my boy og shout out og he helped with the local design all that stuff oh he did a good job yeah shout out shout out him um and we started that he was going to events like we're on facebook like oh we're at the event live streaming talking reporting what's going on some basic stuff you know i'm saying but it helped us in the long run at the end of the day when it came to like the media aspect so that climbs

you feel me I'm ending my football season last football season and at the same time my boy Shannon who's on the podcast we've talked about the pod for like two years

I want to have our own show whatever it may be so I'm like hmm this coincides with each other I can push the platform when it comes to the media I can still do my creative stuff

it'll shine a light on the creative stuff that I'm doing and we'll grow it that way so then we got to that point and then now we're at the point where the podcast has grown it took it took a while though it took a while the first the first if you go back and listen to episode one god awful i can't even make it through it because it sounds so bad that's everyone dude yeah yeah i will never i i never say never i will probably never be able to sit through my first episode Yeah, bro, I'll leave it up there, but audio grainy terrible, but we were just doing it We just had to start and I feel as though before I jump to that point if you're out there trying to start whatever it

May be and you're second guessing it having second thoughts about it, bro. Just start Don't don't care about the result in the beginning you won't know where to navigate if you never started don't hold on to whatever may be start and go from there like i started as a blog why do you think people are afraid to start they don't want to fail bro in front of people the second part they don't want to fail bro they don't want to fail in front of people and but like i told you my point but i failed in front of people when it came to the football stuff i've been there already. So it didn't matter to me.

Publicly, let's be honest, though. This is a different level because where does everyone have their eyeballs? On the social platforms. You're putting yourself out there on the social platforms with this. Whereas on football, you can hide on campus, right? Yeah. Technically. Technically.

I'm not saying you did. I'm saying technically. But in my situation, though, people are still looking to see what i'm doing you have to remember i'm coming not that i'm like some big star or anything like that but people that are close to me they're still saying oh what are you what are you doing you're not playing that much like you're not really doing anything when i failed a couple times when i was why are you in juco what is juco the doubting people yeah they're doubting sorry he he's gonna be one of those people whatever may be you're saying so i failed a couple times.

But going back to what we were talking about, I did that so it didn't stop me from starting something. You feel me? So I grew into that. And now MBT has turned into a thing where, into a business, not a thing, where I'm able to consult. I'm able to help on the media side. And I'm able to push people that I think are talented and have the drive. Because that's the biggest thing with me when I try to start work. So I just want to work with you just because you're good or whatever.

So I just want to be clear, who do you at MBT, who do you work with and specifically like what do you do for them? Okay, so we'll start with the podcast. So the podcast is called Faces of the Future Podcast. That's me, Shannon, and Mooseose we just talked about toby moose is what we call him as his nickname he's never going to be told yeah yeah moose man some he has all these different names whatever it may be it's great i don't know him but he's screwed it started off as just me and shane moose was behind the camera recording us when we had a video when we first started and then the games like season two season three and he's like yo i got something i want to

be on i want to talk about it. And people, after he was on, people were like, I like his opinion. So we're like, come back. And it became a mainstay. By season five, he became a mainstay on there. And that's kind of how it grew. And people have to understand when it comes to like working with your friends and things of that nature, things aren't always going to be easy. You feel me?

People think that, oh, we have a good friendship. So when it comes to like the business side, it's going to be like, we've had our arguments, all of you from, but that's good. Yeah. I say that all the time. It's good to have those arguments. It's good to have those things about what direction we should be doing. Or if we don't, if you don't really see the vision and you have a different idea, it's like, it's good. And I say, it's always good not to just have yes men around people that challenge you and what you're doing. And Toby and shan bro i can always tell you they're going to hold me accountable for everything i do whether it's just a podcast or it's mbt in the direction because they support the brand as a whole not just the podcast my brother who's behind the scenes he works more on the music side

as like an a9 developing artist for the artists that we just signed recently cbm row he's a hip pop artist from the area and so when you because you were starting with the podcast but it's all coming together now so when you when you sign people here yeah you're you're handling like their marketing and online marketing yeah and every and everybody's a little different you feel me sometimes we'll manage you if we think you we have the ability to manage you and take you where you want to go sometimes we'll just sign you as a if you need video content us to shoot a music video or us to help you on the market side on social media because that's where you're lacking we'll do that it's a scenario by scenario basis and it's not just artists it's not just on-air talent it's not

just entertainment if you have a business you don't really know how to navigate that space of marketing come on over we can sit down and talk and if i can't i personally can't do i can point you in the direction where somebody is because i built that network of people. And I don't have a problem doing that. I want to put you on the spot here. Apologies ahead of time. Put me on the spot. I do this to everyone. Put me on the spot.

What separates you guys? A lot of people come out and be like, oh, yeah, I'm going to be an artist manager. Oh, yeah, I'm going to be a social media marketer. It's the relationship aspect. That's the biggest thing. I'm not, bro. You give a shit. I care.

Some people don't like me for it though I accept that answer some people would say okay everyone says they care but I buy that from you I know that I care like I have conversations even my brother's probably like one of my clothes probably like my closest friend he's younger than me obvious but you're saying we have me and him get into it not even his business just life when it comes to business in general because we care for each other We want to see what the best when you want the best from somebody you want to see them succeed Not even doesn't have to be with you

But you want them to see and you see their potential and and where they could be once they give you that flash You're gonna expect that from them from from now on and it's your job If you really care about that person to hold them to that standard and if you have people around you just let you slack off When you say you want to obtain a goal if you really care about that person to hold them to that standard. And if you have people around you that just let you slack off, when you say you want to obtain a goal, they shouldn't be around you, bro. I feel that wholeheartedly. And some of my friends, they tell me all the time, like, yeah, you pull stuff out of me that I didn't know I had.

It's because I care for you. Some people, if you're slacking off, say you want to be a photographer, the top artist, or you want to be the top artist, but you're not going to the studio a day and writing all this stuff recording to perfect your craft i'm like bro i thought you just told me you wanted to be the best artist around but you're not in here crashing like you should be you want to be the best basketball player but you're not in the gym all the time i'm gonna hold you accountable and that's and i feel like a lot of people nowadays are afraid to hold the one hold the people around them accountable one because they don't want to ruin that relationship they have or two if you don't really care for that person you don't want

to you don't want to lose maybe that that money or whatever that's coming with that person because you see they're talented so this is a touchy thing you just brought up for me personally and i think for a lot of people but i'll'll speak for myself, I guess, right now. You talk about holding people accountable, and I love that because you see something in them, right? And you want them to see it through. And when they have tough moments, you want to be there and be like, yo, you got to keep going here. Like, here's what's good. Here's what's bad.

Here's what we're going to fix. Be that honest wall to bounce ideas off of. But you have the end light at the end of the tunnel in mind one of the things i really struggle with in my life is that i feel like i see the greatness in a lot of people whatever their thing is could be anything could be business could be a sport could be music could be anything and one of the ultimate things that makes me sad at night is that strictly by statistics to start and then beyond that on a personal relationship level i know that a lot of these people will never see that thing through because either they don't

care about that thing that they happen to be great at, which is not their fault, by the way. Like there are people who, you know what, here's a great example. Jamarcus Russell didn't like football. Jamarcus Russell was a fucking unbelievable talent. Probably one of the most talented, I mean, he had, I don't know that I've ever seen an arm that powerful in my life. Just a fucking, was put on this earth to play football didn't like football you know that's not that part's not his fault right now taking all the money and then not giving a there's a little bit there that's your fault sure of course but also 21 year old kid who the knows right so that's a sad thing but it's also

a sad thing when people who do want it don't see it in them don't see what i see in them or don't see what you see in them and then holding them accountable there's there's no holding them accountable they're they don't they don't want it yeah because maybe they're worried about society telling them they can't have it or here's all the reasons they're not going to get it but they don't fucking want it or somebody telling them they should do it a different way oh my god yeah and who by the way i don't know how much like who your inspirations are but some guy who comes up a lot on this podcast just people happen to bring them up usually guests and then we talk about it is like steve jobs and steve jobs lived his life by saying i understand what the customer wants and i understand that what they

want is not what they're telling me it's what they're not telling me they just don't realize that and so instead of giving people 78 choices he gave them four sometimes one and and every marketer and business professor is going to be like oh it goes like every fucking thing we believe is a reason he's him and you're you no disrespect no disrespect you probably did some great things but he understood that that in order to create something great you had to have a vision you had to stick to it and you had to understand that maybe and in his case this wasn't really often the case because of how great what he created was but maybe not everyone's going to get behind it not everyone's going to agree with it that Not everyone's going to agree with it. That's another thing.

You can't expect somebody to have the same passion or even the same vision or go as hard as you are for a vision that's yours. Some people don't realize that. Do you struggle with that with your podcast? Because there's three of you. Oh, of course yeah but i but the thing is we i'll go back to what we we talked i don't know we talked about it on air off here it's about when you go into something with people you have to sit down and have that conversation prior to going into something going into something with somebody you have to you have to ask them what what do you want out of this so so when certain scenarios happen you know how to handle

it accordingly but a lot of people don't want to have those conversations everybody that i potentially work with or want to work with or brought to me it's not just a we have one phone call and we're about to work together it doesn't work like that with me i have an initial i'll call you and be like i see what you're doing ever what do you want what's your end goal like you said, Jamarcus Russell, he might have hated football. He might not even want to play in the NFL. But no one probably asked him that. They just saw, oh, you're talented. You're going to.

Exactly. Exactly, man. And people get lost in that. And then he says what he thinks they want them to hear. Yeah. What they want him to say. Because it's a never-ending cycle. It's a never-ending cycle if you don't have that initial conversation.

And that goes back to communication. If you communicate at the beginning before you start working with somebody and have those goals in mind that they say they want. It's not about what I want at the end of the day. My job is somebody that's going to push you or potentially manage you or whatever, work with you, whatever capacity. I have to know the direction that you want to go. You tell me where you want to go. And it's my job to get the best out of you so you can get to that point in your life. That's how I look at it. And not many people take that approach. They think my way or the highway, I've done this system. It's going to work. I'm going to put you through

this funnel and it's going to work that way. And boom, you're going to make the dollar amount, whatever it may be. But at the end of the are you is that person satisfied with that is that where they wanted to go or is that where you wanted to go and it's hard to kind of like juggle that running running a business because obviously your business has goals you have your own aspirations for yourself but there has to be some type of common ground where you guys can meet to so i i reach where i'm trying to go and you reach where you're trying to go but in the position I am and I'm in is when it comes to marketing or helping somebody on social media or managing them, I'm not successful unless you're successful. So if I'm just doing stuff on my own without your knowledge, you don't want to do it. And you say, oh, I quit because I hate everything you want to do.

How does that reflect on me as a person, as a human being in the way I operate? And I feel as though I had to get over that too when i first started and people told me that people in my circle told me that's like bro you gotta have a little more perspective and that comes with time that comes with time you're not gonna know all the answers i told you before i'm wrong i'm wrong i'm wrong a lot of the time but a lot of time i'm right too you're willing to put here's the thing though and this is something that separates you and it separates a guy like me too in mediums like this we're willing to be public about both yeah that's a and it shouldn't be it really it's sad that i have to say that that's a powerful thing in modern day society because no

one wants to be wrong nobody's okay when they're right yeah but then they're even afraid to be right because they're like what if it's not right yeah it's fucked up yeah and i got to the point where people tell me i'm i ask too many questions or or i'm too argumentative it's not because i'm i'm arguing with you because i want you to be wrong me to to be right. It's me asking questions so I understand. And people aren't used to that. People think because I'm diving more into a conversation with you that I just, I'm trying to prove a point to you or whatever. Nah, it's not that. I genuinely ask questions now to understand where you're coming from.

So then as we move forward, whether it's just a normal everyday conversation like we're having, I can understand. I can see where you're coming from and move accordingly. So if we have another follow-up conversation, oh, remember you said this? I did some research on this. You were right about this. I think I should do this. Or my point of view was wrong and what you were saying was right. And what you were saying in that conversation made me go back and look up what you were saying to prove my point. And that happens on our podcast all the time. We'll be debating and someone swears they're right about

something and and then the group chat would be like oh you was you were right about that but i was wrong i researched it and then we'll come on air and we'll probably like yeah we'll talk about bro i was wrong about that you were right bro i did some research you were right i apologize and we keep going we go on from it and i think that's the good thing about our podcast i i love that one of the guys i'm thinking of i had mentioned i definitely my my buddy mike spear has been on this a couple times i definitely at some point we got to bring both you in here at the same time i think i think you would drive him nuts because of how even kill you are like i don't think you would know how to handle that so i'm calling him out right

now that's one guy the other guy i'm thinking of for totally different reasons is a guy whose podcast we recorded back in the end of October. And I think it has, he has been mentioned on all but maybe two or three podcasts since then at some point. And that's my guy Horo, who's the chief of staff over at Eight Sleep. And a lot of the themes you're hitting on today, I don't need to go through all of them, are so similar to his cyclone of thought. But one of the things I love about that episode, those episodes, he was the guy I told you about who was here for eight hours. So we ended up making two podcasts because we were just hot. We rolled with it. But he called me maybe like two months, less than that, after the podcast. And so many things that he said in that podcast aged well immediately.

Like he touched on section 208 or section 230 on the social media laws, which then the election was like two weeks later, all the fucking shit after that, immediately age 12. He touched on the private corporation versus public good, which we talked about a bit today, had fire thoughts there. Like, just incredible. And then we had a segment in one of the podcasts, well, the second podcast,

we were talking about the election coming up. And that was when the new york post twitter story came out with hunter biden or whatever yeah so we only talked about it for like four minutes but it was a brand new story at the time and we both like kind of defended hunter biden for for four minutes and five days later he was like yeah i think we got that wrong i'm like yeah yeah we did we'll just kind of shut that one under the rug and then happens but the big one i was pointing out where he called me two months later was we did like a 30 minute segment almost just of the conversation in the first podcast we did towards the end where we talked about andrew

cuomo and i played devil's advocate a little bit but the moral of the story is we both defended him right yeah and so then the second round of ridiculous lockdowns come in in in december where it's just so fucking over the top and he calls me up and he goes you know he was like he's definitely a little bit like god damn it that's on the record too but he's like so some of those cuomo things we said i'm like yeah it didn't age well and i'm like dude happens it happens i'm not gonna take it down and he wasn't asking that at all. I'm like, it lives. We're going to be right. We talked about it earlier.

We're going to be right. We're going to be wrong. But let's talk about it later. So have I ripped Andrew Cuomo in later episodes? Absolutely. Because I got that wrong. It's fine. It happens.

And I think that's the thing that separates a lot of people from you and maybe other people in the world is is that accountability a lot of people aren't willing to take accountability when they're wrong whatever maybe you know i'm saying and it's it's a good thing to have like you said like who cares you said it on air whatever it be you didn't hurt anybody quote unquote but you realized what you said was wrong your take was wrong you came and talked about it i was super wrong about that move on from it bro that's that's how i think of that's how that's how i look at it like there's gonna be points in life that happens gonna be points in conversation that you have where you're totally wrong so what and you guys are what two years and like 56 episodes in yep we just recorded we actually yeah 56 episodes probably by the time this comes out with 57 will be out okay um but

yep yeah so you don't think and this is a rhetorical question i know you think this but like for the general population just to think about some common sense in 56 episodes you think you got everything right oh no no you think you even got 80 right no call moose and ask him what he thinks about that and how many times people ripped into him about takes he has and he came on air and said it like and that's that's the great that's what i love about him bro he'll stand 10 toes on his thoughts give it on the air and when he knows he's wrong about something he'll come on and say it that's it shannon does the same thing love that you feel me and that's and that's why i enjoy doing the podcast with them because they're very heartfelt one they're transparent in the way they think. They don't ever hold anything back.

They'll argue with each other. I'll sit there and just be like, I'll just let them hash it out. It's been happening plenty of times. And another thing is they're accountable for what they say. And they're not afraid to be accountable for what they say. You have to be. Yeah. And I think that allows, one, our listenership to be genuine and people to gravitate

towards it because it's very authentic it's not nothing we talk about is scripted I love that we have topics

we'll put in a group chat let's talk about this this and just give our thoughts we don't go into say I'm gonna talk about this I'm gonna talk about this it's like nah I'll bring up a topic

say what you have to say about it if I disagree say you disagree with it challenge me on it. Give me your thoughts. Like I said, I'm not always right. They know they're not always right. And we're not afraid to be challenged because that's how you learn.

And that's how you grow as a person. It comes across too because when you see your content, there's nothing that's canned about it. Yeah. And I'm probably like a little bit of a snob about this with podcasts because I do it, right? Of course. And I appreciate the podcasts that aren't the next segment. You know what I mean?

I hate that, bro. I hate that shit. I hate that stuff. You guys don't do that. And so, honestly, right away, that puts you way up in the categories for a guy like me. When I come in, I'm like, okay, I'm going to get a real conversation here. So, I appreciate what you guys are doing there and i also have said this already but you know you've been doing it for a long time too you didn't do fucking four episodes in a whole day like you just kind of keep going it builds on top of what you're doing here yeah it also

provides the open forum to have the balls to put your opinions out there and see what comes of it you know there's there's no there's nothing more courageous than that. And it's sad that we have to say that, but it's true. Like, and I never thought of it that way, but one of my good friends, Kevin Gallagher,

who was on this podcast, he was cracking me up after we finished recording. He was like, he sat back. He's like, dude, it takes a lot of balls to do this. And I'm like,

it shouldn't, but he's right yeah you know and so anyone who like in your seat who's doing that and and shannon and moose joining you with it i have a lot of respect for that because you're putting your name out there and you're putting opinions in the modern day where everyone wants to judge every fucking opinion you have expect you to be perfect you know so it's it's it's great to have fellow fellow guys who do that but i do want to make sure you talk about the scholarship too because this is really cool and like i'm looking at the clock because i don't want to make the same mistake i made with mike spear and giovanni where we were in here for fucking hours and shit

like you know you and i could be in here for another four hours definitely without a doubt so we're gonna have to do this again but let's get to the scholarship before we get out of here and and walk me through when that began who it helps directly and what the inspiration was for you so so the scholarship is called the face of the future scholarship um well branded appreciate it appreciate it um so it started last year last year was year one. I did out of pocket year one. What does that mean? My money. Gave. No fundraising. Just gave my money. How much money?

It was $300 each to kids. How many kids? It was two. It was only two to start off. Still, that's 600. Yeah. It was nothing crazy. Nothing crazy, but something. I wanted to sell that foundation to let people know that we were giving, we were trying to help. It wasn't just, we're not just a platform that wants to put media out there.

We want to actually have a funnel that shows kids that there are people out there that support your dreams and allow you to have an opportunity to chase what you're chasing after. You feel me? And I treat it the same way as the podcast. Yeah, the first year, we maybe not gave them much money, but as time goes on, as the brand continues to grow, we're able to allocate more and more money each year to help more and more kids. So when it comes to the first year, we did that. I did my own business out of that. And now this year, we opened up as a community and started raising money. We actually have a GoFundMe link.

It's on the link in my bio. Oh, we're going to put that. We'll put that in the link to the episode and everything. Make sure I don't forget to do that. Got you. Got you. But yeah, it but yes link in my bio and stuff like that where you can clink a donate we did that we started it about a month ago and who who do you target again like what's the specific high school seniors that's the but doing something specifically like they want they want they want in the creative world the creative aspect it doesn't have to be

it's not geared towards like going into college whatever it may be but you have to be it has to be geared towards what's your aspirations are and what you're chasing after, if that makes sense. So if you want to go to college to become a doctor or become a creative person, producer, podcaster, you have to put that in the essay. That's what I was going to get to next. We have a certain criteria with the essay. My core values are faith action determination and i say that because faith is what it takes to start something and chase after your dreams but faith is nothing without action you have to have action to to complement the face so you you know what i'm saying and the determination part comes from whatever you're going to have

to withstand and that basically comes from my story my personal story that's what it took for me to get where i had to get faith action determination so what we do is and I'm gonna announce this on my social media stuff is you have to write a 500 word essay explaining how faith action determination is gonna help you get to where you want to get to whether it be graduating college whatever it be starting your business whatever whatever it may be and then you submit them we review them can any can any high school seniors anybody can it doesn't matter where you're at I don't have any limit And then you submit them. We review them. Can any high school seniors apply? Anybody can. It doesn't matter where you're at.

I don't have any limit. Because that's my biggest thing. I want to give opportunity to people who don't necessarily have opportunity. So you're trying to give money to people who are going after something in the creative space. And you want to see that they actually have a vision on what they want to do. Or at least have an idea of like, hey, I'd like to leverage the education to learn about getting to this. Exactly. Okay.

Exactly. That's cool. And I say that because, like I said, after high school, everybody wants to go to college. You know what I'm saying? Not saying that college is a bad thing, but people have other aspirations.

People have other visions. So it's not just limited to people that are trying to go to college. Oh, wow. So what could the scholarship be used towards that's not college? Say you need money to go to trade school. I love this. This just got a lot better. You feel me college say you need money to go to trade school i love this this just got a lot better you feel me say you need money to go to trade school because

you want to you want to become an electrician and start your own um electrician business to go help people because people forget there's there's plenty of the jobs that you don't have to go to college for bro i'm going to shut up because we didn't get that was one topic we touched earlier and didn't get to and we're going to be here for six hours if i actually touch that but that's fucking awesome i have to say that and going back to the amount we give yeah people on the surface level don't think like three hundred dollars five hundred dollars even thousand dollars is a lot of money but me being in juco and seeing kids that were my roommates having to survive off for twenty dollars a week no i could i knew that if someone just gave them three hundred dollars for a month that would make their life that much better so that's where all this stems from is it i almost don't want to call this

a scholarship i think this needs to have a new name what would you call it i don't know we got to come up with something yeah this is this is different i really haven't heard i'm sure there's stuff out there that has to be like this but there's not much yeah bro it's awesome and that's and i was just not like all right because people were like oh well that's not much it's like but at the end of the day somebody can use that sure you don't know what it is people like i said all the time people come from different backgrounds two months you talked about the millionaires 30 million might not be a lot to 100 million there but oh it's not yeah but in different respect if that's a lot to somebody that's not making that much money all person you can put it down on the grander scale

300 might not be a lot to somebody, but it's a lot to somebody else who only gets $20 a week from their parents to survive on. I've seen my teammates eat cheese sandwiches for two weeks straight because that's all they have, bro. So when I came down, if I'm in a position to give back and allow someone to elevate

or make their life a little bit easier, why wouldn't I do it if I'm in that position? Can't say that better myself. That's how's how i look at it so that's a scholarship um if you guys want to check us out like i said we're on on instagram at mbt underscore the one percent mbt underscore that's the one that's the full name so mbt underscore the one percent is the ig name remind i'm gonna put all this in the description because people are listening yep yep just remind me too so instagram to follow us on instagram it's mbt underscore the one percent okay on twitter it's mbt the future and then for all our video content on the network with the introduction podcast face of the future podcast and any music videos we post from the artists we're working with follow us at mbt faces the future got it so that's what you can

get you can follow me at mbt mills on everything okay so i'm gonna put all of them yeah yeah just for people that are listening people that don't because i know some people don't read descriptions whatever yeah some people don't you're 100 right but yeah that's you know the business yeah that's how it is so that's that's what we're doing and we're going to continue to elevate and continue to um inspire the next generation that's the goal and you and i just want everybody that's listening to know that doesn't matter where you are start start i'm gonna end it i'm gonna end it right there that is that's perfect i really enjoyed this conversation i enjoyed this a lot i've been enjoying every single one i have people come in the guests are blowing me away this this is tbd or to be continued sorry tbc this this was fucking great and what you're doing

with the scholarship or whatever we're gonna call it is awesome i also want to come up with a new acronym there we're gonna we're gonna figure it out yeah yeah we got i want to help out with that that's that's fucking great so miles thanks for coming in dude appreciate it this was great we'll do it again yeah appreciate it and everyone has the handles i will again put them in the description so you can just click them and go straight there so read the description people but all of you everyone else as i always say give it a thought get back to me peace