Julian Dorey Podcast - #425 - “13 SHOTS!” - Eddie Gallagher-backed Cop FRAMED for Murder | The Oldrati’s

Episode Date: May 22, 2026

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Check out Odu at O'Don. O-O-O-com. That's O-D-O-O-O- dot com. So when Eddie Gallagher sends me a text, my immediate inclination is to be like, sir, yes, sir. And then when I get a follow-up text from Jim DeOreyo saying, you better fucking do this, it's like, yes, sir. So I did take a look at your son's case. We had a chance to talk on the phone.

We just been talking off camera as well. Hits close to home because you guys are from the town right next to where I grew up down in Mantua. and this is the most no gray area black and white case I've seen in a long, long time. So I felt like it goes without saying jokes aside, like this is definitely something where if we can help get a little attention on this like I did with the Tyree Wallace case back in the day, perhaps some cooler heads can prevail and we can make sure the right justice is done here. So people don't know what the fuck I'm talking about.

I think we should probably give some idea, but I have the Aldratis here with me. So if you guys wouldn't mind introducing yourself and then also maybe a little intro into your son, Sal, and what's going on. So I'm Barbara Aldrotti. I'm the mother of Corporal Salvatore Aldradi. And I'm Drew Aldradi, Sal's dad. From South Philly. From South Philly, yes, absolutely. I love it.

I love it. So your son, Sal is a cop in Mantua Township, New Jersey. and essentially just because it's been like a five-year odyssey here, let's just start at the top. Like, what happened? So he was involved in a critical incident back in, on September 14th, 2021. He, there was a reporting of and armed burglary in progress at a residence,

which was about two blocks from the police department. So him and his corporal responded. His corporal is the first. officer on the scene where he encounters a man at the curb, which he believes, because he sees the front door open, he believes is the homeowner who has called to report the burglaries of breaking into his shed and breaking into his car. When he rolls down his passenger side window, he's met immediately with the man extending his arm and pointing a gun at him. The decedent, he's now decedent, was on an open line.

with 911. At the same time. At the same time, he was on the phone with 911. And you hear Corporal Leighton through the 911 call say, put your gun down, put your gun down. And he speeds up just to get out of harm's way, maybe like a house or two. And Salvatore is following right behind him. And what time, I'm sorry, I think you said it. What time and night was this again?

This is around 1.30 a.m. low light conditions early in the morning of September 14th. Okay. So he, the first guy, Layton, is his name? Corporal Layton. So once he's making the call, suspect is armed with a weapon as far as he can tell. How far ahead does he move when he moves out of the way? About a house. Yeah, about a house or two.

He couldn't, he, you know, he wasn't able to get his weapon. He was, you know, seated in a seated position, was able to get his weapon out. And he was startled because he's, you know, his belief is that this is the homeowner calling, you know. and here he's met with a weapon right to his head. Hey, guys, if you're not following me on Spotify, please hit that follow button and leave a five-star review. They're both a huge huge help. Thank you.

Right. So he pulls up and Savvat, at the same time, Salvatore is coming behind him, but he's following his corporal. The corporal gets out of the car. Salvatur gets out of the car and Corporal Leighton says he's got a gun, he's got a gun. Salvatore says, where?

And you can see on the 911 call, Salvatore peaks out, ducks back. He says, I made sure he had that weapon and he had it pointed at him. And he engaged him. And he goes down and he's still in possession of the firearm. Salvatore engages him again and says, stop reaching, stop reaching. And then they were eventually able to move forward once they saw that the weapon was no longer in his hands. They were able to move forward and then start EMS, you know, life-saving procedures, which Salvatore is an EMS as well. He's EMT. He's certified. So, Leighton also at this point, is able to have his gun drawn as well as they're moving in to check the scene. Correct. And by the way, I have a picture here that you showed me. This is from

your son, Sal's body. Correct. Body camera right here. Okay. So if I'm, it's this part's a lot, that's the car. That's not. That's the cop car right there. This is the cop car. So he's still seated. Yeah, and Salvatore lights him up with lights the flashlight, right? Right. Illuminates. So we can clearly see, and we're going to come to Mr. Sharp and like his whole backstory and everything because it's very tragic. It is.

The whole story is tragic. But what I'm seeing right here is that he, I can't see personally in the body cam because it's hazy what's in his hand, but I can see he's clearly in like a, if you were going to have a gun in your hand, like a cocked kind of position like that. So your son was able to identify, just like Layton did, that in his hands here was a gun. Correct. And this is the gun that he had right here. That's correct.

Okay. Now, what kind of gun is this? I don't know if it's a 9mm. I think it's a 9mm, according to the reports. Semi-a-a-oldo. Okay. So when he, what's the timeline approximately of? I'm sorry, that could have been a 45, whatever he said.

On his 911 call, he said it was a 45. He said it on the call. Yeah. We're going to play the call in a couple minutes, too, just so people have that background. But how, what is the, like, roughly as far as we know, the time period from when this shot is taken where Sal is holding the flashlight out to him to the first shot ringing out? Like, not even seconds, not even a second. It's he says, I illuminate him. I saw that he was pointing the gun at me.

I thought he was going to shoot me. and my training kicked in and I fired. Yeah, the shooting's milliseconds. You know, you're not waiting for to get fired upon before you discharge your firearm. Right. You know, you're protecting yourself, your partner, the citizens, there, everybody. Let's take a step back for a minute, too, so people have a little bit of the backstory and context as well. Because this is obviously like the night of a critical event that happens, but there's a lot of things to happen before this.

How long had Sal been a cop at this point? So Salvatore was involved in policing. He officially became a police officer when he was 19 in Camden. But his training started at the young age of 14. He was a member of the Philadelphia Police Explorers. So he would go every Saturday and he would train. The Philadelphia Police Explores. Yes.

What is this? That's an excellent program for anybody who's interested in becoming law enforcement. You go to this program. There's training, PT training, all everything. Scenario. You would go through the police academy without being paid by the city. So when he's when he's the explorers take their police tests, they're usually the top people who rank high and they pass the PT, no problem.

They flow through the academy, no issues. Because from the age of 14th, so I think 18 years old, you can stay in this program and groom yourself to become the best of the best before you take the police tests. So when he was 18, I said to him, well, maybe you should move in with Nanny and Poppy in Jersey because if you're going to be a police officer, put your life on the line, maybe go somewhere a little safer than Philadelphia. Make a little bit more money. You make more money than in Philly. In certain areas of New Jersey, yes. And their pension is different.

25 years where the more he works, my husband's a Philadelphia police officer with the SWAT unit. Oh, you were in this one. I didn't know that. Yeah, I have 37 years in city Philadelphia in the last 20. Is there an oozy in that canola? I mean, shit. No, we checked. The latest 28 years on the SWAT team and counting. Right.

So we just thought it would be better opportunity. And my brother was a police officer in New Jersey and guided him. And along the way was his mentor as well. So he moved in with my parents. And then he went to Camden County College and he became an in team. And then from there, he, took the alternative route to the Police Academy to become a member of the police department in Camden. So he went through the police academy and he was a police officer in Camden.

That's a tough place. Yeah. Oh, he loved it. Oh, he loved it. He loved it. He loved it. He liked, he's a real cop's cop, right? He trained.

He would educate himself. He would take classes, anything he could do to make sure he was prepared. And one night actually in Camden in November, he was working with his, his good friend and partner Patrick O'Hanlon and he was in pursuit of a suspect and Pat had engaged with him and was wrestling with him and was shot in the leg and Savitzer pulled up on the scene and he had a tourniquet. He was the only one that had the tourniquet. They were not standard issued at that time and he was able to get the tourniquet on his leg, throw him in the cop car and get him to the hospital, get him to Cooper. Yep. And the and the surgeons and the doctors there said if that did not

happen, we would have a total different scene here. He would have most likely bled out. That's one of the worst places to get shot. I've heard from a lot of people. And that's why it's so ironic. Like, oh, did you have to shoot him dead mass then? Or couldn't you shoot him in the leg? People don't understand? Like, you shoot him in the leg. You have a femuror artery running through. Yeah. You know, anyway. That's how Sean Taylor died, I believe, when he was, when his home was burglarized, he was shot in the leg and the artery severed. And you bleed out, right? You bleed out very quickly. So, you know, he was in Camden for many years and then had the opportunity to

Manchua where there's more room for growth and opportunity, more pay. Now, what's it? Let's look at Camden though as well because, like, I spent some time in Camden growing up because I grew up very close to there in West Effort. And it's always joked about it's like not a great neighborhood and everything. They have tried to rebuild some of it. And then some little parts they've done a good job. But it's certainly, it wasn't always this way, but the past 50 years or,

or so, 50, 60 years, it's been a really dangerous spot. So your son is coming up at a young age, basically on the street, 19, 20 years old, learning how to be a police officer in Camden. What was, you know, I assume you've had some good conversations about what that's like. Like how do you build community trust? How do you still do your job while, you know, not trying to be fenced off from everyone, if you will, because there's a natural distrust between the communities like police officers and the people in a lot of these places.

Yeah. In Camden, it's a lot of community policing. They do a lot with the community. However, they revamped and reworked that. It was a lot of the community policing. But still dangerous, right? You still have people running around. Officers still have to do their job.

You know, when he told me, I'm like, I moved you out of Philadelphia. I didn't want you to go to Camden. I wanted you to be somewhere safer, not Camden. You're like, that's my boy. Right? But, you know, he, this is all he's ever wanted to do from a young age. He, we always say, like, he came out of the womb ready to go, always took an interest in a very young age in this profession.

And he's seen a lot of things that most 19-year-olds haven't experienced. And he was out there, you know, protecting his community and his fellow officers. And he was awesome at it, you know, which led to this event. you know, moved to Manchu, a nice little safer town. But it wasn't your common, you know, drug dealer or gang member. This was just, you know, that evening was a man who suffered decades of depression and alcohol abuse. And then within recently drug abuse that has now ended my son's career and possibly jail time

for doing his job. Yeah. At the moment. At the moment. We're going to, we believe. I always say, you know, And how do people always ask me like, how do you sleep at night with him being on the police apartment? I say, I have to put it in God's hands. I have to trust that God's going to bring him home

every night. And the same thing with Salvatore. I just, and my brother, we're a police and military family. You just have to put your trust that they're going to come home every night. Right. When's the last time you actually woke up feeling sharp? Never? And I don't mean just functional. I mean sharp. Like your brain was ready before your coffee was. If you have to think about it, Keep listening. Most people never connect the dots between how they sleep and how they show up the next day. Ghostbed does, and that's why they've spent over 20 years developing mattresses that are going to help you with this. Right now, Ghost Bed is running their Memorial Day sale.

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promo code Julian. Now, Drew, how long have you been on the force? Total. 37 years. Holy shit. Okay. You've seen a few things. Yeah.

And the last 28 years on the SWAT team and counting, you know. Like, so that's your primary? Yeah, we're a full-time SWAT team in Philadelphia. All right. Quick side note on that. Like, how annoying is the whole swatting thing now? You know what I mean? So we had a couple of calls.

You know, we handle it. We're so busy, you know, doing jobs. Yeah. Yeah. But we go out and you see like, I, hey, you know, after a while, you know, this is bullshit, you know. So after we do our thing, how we do it, then we figure it out. Now, you grew up in Philadelphia, you were saying?

South Philly. Okay. Did you always want to be a cop? Always. Okay. Always want to be. What drew you to it? So I always want to be like SWAT back in the 70s to show SWAT.

I just thought that was neat. I said, oh man, look at this. This is what I want to be. And I always tell, and my family members knew. I said, I'm a police officer. I said, I'm going to go to SWAT. But, you know, and sure enough, I got on the job, learned a job. I worked plain clothes for a bunch of years.

And around nine years after that, I had the opportunity to put a transfer in the SWAT. And there I was. Savioteur was a baby. So 20, 20, he's 29 now. What was it like being a cop in like the early 90s in Philly? Oh, I worked. Brian Rizzo, right? No, no, no.

Rizzo was the 80s, right? Yeah. And he passed away. He was running for mayor at the time. but he passed away prior to getting that. But I was great. I worked with a bunch of young great guys and my old partner, Jimmy Green,

and we used to work the projects. And they were out of control back then and like we got it in control. Because we were like young guys full of pissing vinegar, you know, just locking people off for like shootings and robberies. And we loved it. Oh, you mean that they actually locked people up for committing crimes back then?

Like you lock people up, man. you just knew it was the same players who was doing the robberies who were doing the shootings yeah you know who were the homicides it always came back like the same group of people well kind of the same question i was asking about sal and camden when you're doing the highest level stuff like you're going after the people who are killing people like a lot of gang stuff and things like that you know you have a job to do you got to go make sure you get bad guys off the street but then there's a lot of other people that live there too and maybe they're like oh that's just that's just jimmy he He lives on the corner.

Like, he's fine. And you're like, well, no, Jimmy actually has four bodies on him. But how do you develop, how do you balance that community policing versus also making sure you execute your job correctly? The community knows who the bad people are. And they thank you. They're like, yo, thanks a lot. They might not want to be involved and some people do because they're scared for themselves.

Right. They're scared for their safety. Right. But they'll come up and say, yo, thank you. Thank you for what you guys do. And we would do it. And they knew when people would call in, yo, this is so and so. Plus, we had great snitches.

Or snitches were the best. And they would always tell you, who's doing what? You know, that was it. Was part of your job trying to cultivate CIs? C.I. Sure. Yeah. Sure you do.

You say CIs, I say snitches. I like that. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, how do you approach someone like that when, you know, it's someone, obviously, you're looking for someone usually who's lower level or someone who's not a criminal at all and just sees things happening? How do you know, like, that's a good person. talk to. You just know, you have that gut feeling, you know. It's such affiliation. It's just,

fucking know. It's a gut feeling. You're trained to know. You talk to them. Say, hey, listen, if you have anything, here's my number, give me a call. If not, I understand, no problem. And sure enough, as soon as you pull away, an hour later, your phone's ringing. Oh, so-and-so call left the message. We didn't have cell phones at the time, you know, and they leave a message, and you call them back, and they would give you information. And that when you took it from air. Did you have those car phones with the cord like in the middle? You know, my first police car, we used to have. Are you saying we're old that we had?

The first police car I had, we had phones in there. I do, we did in my 20s. They were like a phone. You would just pick up with a receiver and you answer it that way. They used to plug into the lighter. It was strictly a car phone to call for help. Front row seats to the greatest show on earth. That's what it is.

Philly is always got something going on for sure. Yeah, it's great. But we had a great core of officers. we work together, like young guys. And it was just great. We just got the job done. You know, do you feel like a lot, one of the things has come up recently that's not relevant to your son because he was training from so young and, you know, you can also tell a dude

hits the gym? But do you think that back in the day, there was more of an emphasis on like the training aspect of being able to be ready for the heat in the streets across the country with police officers as opposed to today because that's something a lot of goddamn civilians like me, you'll see and we'll see some cops where we're like, yes, that guy's a cop. And then we see others and we're like, that guy's a fucking cop. You know what I mean? Like shouldn't our tax dollars be paying for that? When I came out, a lot of guys came out of the military that became police officers. So they had that discipline. So when I got on the job, we had a lot of old

timers to school you to tell you, hey kid, there's what this. Hey, kid, see this guy over here? and then you start learning. They would start educating you. Now, today, you know, you're learning with guys or maybe have two years on the job. So, or three years, they're trying to teach a new person. And depending on what part of the city you work on, you know, you have an education because they're busy.

Right. But a lot of times, they don't. You know, it's like, you know, they just don't have that education to train them. And I think in today's time, your hands are tied. Like you're a police officer. You're supposed to do your job. but then they're highly, you know, they're highly scrutinized for doing their job.

Oh, you should have to do it this way than that way. Well, that's not the tactics. That's not the training. That's not the policy and the procedures. You know, you have to follow your training. And they're not allowing officers to do their job. And when they do their job, they indict them. So, you know, you have a whole vicious cycle of with the whole that defund the police movement that really started that downworth spile for police officers.

And, you know, I don't, who's going to want to do this job if we keep? Well, that's the issue. Yeah, when I think back on that, it's like if someone feels disempowered to do the thing they're entrusted to do, you don't, and it's not like you guys are paid a million dollars a year. Like you take away a lot of the incentive for wanting to even take on that risk. Right. And I think we've seen, it's funny, I can't think of examples off the top of my head because I'm blanking right now, but I know I've seen several examples just in the last year where a news story comes out

and it's very clear that like the police officer was in a position where he's like I mean I'm supposed to but I'm just going to And then you have to take that then you can lose your life so you have to take that on as either I'm going home to my family Or you know this person isn't or you know vice versa because they do have a split second to make a decision sometimes And it's not that they have to act perfect they have to act reasonable are they acting reasonable and I think that's where the media comes in because they say, no, they should have did this, this, this, this, they're Monday morning quarterbacking these scenarios when they have an instant to make a decision. You have a gun pointed at you. You know, we don't point guns at police officers.

We don't act as if we're going to point guns and police officers. We should be following their directions. But we've lost that respect because to fund the police movement, the narratives that the news media put out. And the same thing with Salvatore's case when he was finally indicted, the previous attorney general, Matt Placton, came out with a statement saying that while this homeowner called 911 to ask for help, sadly he didn't receive that help when he didn't, he left out the whole rest of the part of the story, you know? So it's the perception, it's the narratives that people push out that make people think, oh, the police officers are bad. Is there corruption? Sure, there's corruption. There's corruption everywhere. But officers that

are out there generally doing their job every day than putting their life on the line to protect us, they have a certain level of risk that they take. And we have to respect that. And we're not talking about opinions. We're talking about facts, right? We need the facts. Yes. Over the years, I started going more and more to our mutual friend, Jim DeOreo, whenever I'd see like one of these videos dropped to actually get a breakdown because Jim's been on my show before, but for people who are unfamiliar, he was in the FBI for many years, special forces before that. And Jim will be the first to tell you. He's like in his career at FBI, if he got a case with like a bad cop, he'd fry him. Yeah. But he'll also tell you when he's like, this is bullshit or something

like that. And you'll see, sometimes you'll see a clear cut one where some guy is running away unarmed and a cop will just shoot him in the back. And it's like, okay, well, we kind of know what that is. But a lot of these, to your point, you have maybe a half a second while your adrenaline's already pumping to think about a decision. And then if the guy is actually armed, especially with a firearm or something like that and is within range of you, I understand why the thought for a police officer in that scenario. And I'm thinking of ones that are far less black and white than your sons. I understand why the thought process is like, well, it's me or him or it's me or him and other people he might take down with him too. And people don't understand too. Like you don't understand or know what that person has in their waistline.

So they may be running away from you and motion as if they're reaching and then turn around and shoot. Like there's it's not a one one and done. It's not like, oh, this guy was running away. He shouldn't have been shot. Well, that body cam footage doesn't show everything. They want that to be the end all, right? It's here. It's a chest level.

It doesn't see what the eye sees. Right. Doesn't process what the brain processes. So there's plenty of people who. have been reaching as if they're reaching have been unarmed in shot and that's a justified shooting because you are making the motion as if you have a weapon that officer is now responding so there is no right or wrong so to speak or black black and white you have to take the evidence from every single shooting take what the officer knew and you know go through it that way it's

yes it has to be it's a hundred percent has to be a case by case basis you know um And you have milliseconds to react. Yes. And you're processing all this information. And it's quick. And it happens quick. And just like in my son shooting, it's fast. You know?

That's just unfortunately how it is. I always told him when he got on the job, I said, do the job right. You know, be fair. Stay grounded. But the number one rule, the number one thing is make sure you come home at the end of the night, the end of your tour. That's most important. Everything else will deal with. But that's the most important thing.

That's for all officers. I think the other thing is, and I'm going to ask you about SWAT in a minute because that's a little bit of a different scenario. But especially when you're a police officer, when I talk with guys who worked in intelligence or stuff like that, they always tell you the job is really boring. It's a lot of nothing. And then it's something very quick. And you got to be able to spring into action right at that point. And in a lot of ways, it's no different if you're on a 12-hour shift. is a police officer, you're doing your regular rounds, you're in your car, shaking hands sometimes,

checking in on stuff. And then you don't know when it's coming. And suddenly some guys are a gun, you're like, oh, shit, you might have to be on the phone with someone else. Right. You could just be given a speeding ticket or, you know, pull over somebody's cars broke down. Right. And then the next minute you're in a shootout or you're chasing a suspect down the street that's armed. Their job is always fluid. I say this all the time. They wake up every day. They don't know what their job is going to entail from hour to hour, right? One minute they're saving a life. One minute, they may have to take their life or the next minute they're giving their life. So it's constantly fluid all day long. Their brain has to be able to process the scene, make a decision, and move quickly. That's how

they're trained. They're not trained to, well, wait a minute, let me stop and think what the best situation. The person's coming at me with a knife or God, let me stop and think, how can I, let me de-escalate, excuse me, would you mind, could you please put that gun down? It doesn't always happen that way where you have that time and space to do that, right? And the laws, their policies and procedures, the guidelines that they follow allow them to operate under a different set of rules than you or I with a weapon chasing after somebody, right? Because they're police officers. So you have to look at the totality of the situation, right? The totality of the circumstance. that's where you see was the officer in fear of his life was this suspect was he armed and

dangerous and clearly you know he was and we'll get into the 911 call and and what's led up to this evening because once when salvator was cleared he was cleared on two areas he was cleared on he didn't violate policy policy procedures anything administratively and then when they start looking into the background, they start seeing, hmm, there's a lot going on over here. This could be possibly suicide by police. And he was cleared very quickly to go back to work. In 2021. In 2021. Within two weeks. We'll explain the context there because it's crazy. It was two years later. But Drew, when you, like in training, I think the better way to ask it is now, as opposed to when you were first training back in the day. But like, you know, there's obviously all different

kinds of scenarios that go into when you're coming up on a suspect who might be armed or is in any way viewed as dangerous. But if you come upon someone who is, let's say you know they're armed and you know that they're unbalanced from what you can see, what is the perfect world trained steps that you're supposed to take in that scenario as a police officer. Situation will dictate what's going to happen. So it's different every time. All the time. Okay. You don't know if a person's going to comply.

You don't know what's going through their head. How do you try to get them to comply? Just verbally at first? Yeah. Yeah. Police. I'm seeing your hands. Drop the gun.

Drop it, you know. And then you go from air. And then when I scaly, it could go from he gives up to where they start shooting at you that quick. And you don't know. So you prepare yourself, you know, you hone your skills. Right. You hone that skill level.

You know, you push yourself beyond that breaking point. That's what you do. You're training. You know, you're doing these. all this different training we do and you go beyond your level that you know hey i can handle us you know now if if a suspect let's say you come upon a scene he's armed dangerous obviously and a suspect is not raising once you have already said hey drop your weapon and whatever and he's maybe he doesn't drop it but it's not raised towards you or anything and there's at least an

opportunity in this type of scenario which your son obviously didn't really have but in this type of of scenario to have some verbal back and forth with the suspect. Are you guys trained on psychological tactics to try to- We're honest and negotiated and train. Yes. You know, we'll train. We'll, you know, there's people who have a gun and we negotiate with them. We want a peaceful resolution. Right. That's what we look for. We don't look for, regardless of what people say, oh, we look for a peaceful resolution. We don't kill everybody, you know. That's good. That's the whole thing. We don't do. We, a peaceful resolution, put your weapon down, come out, and we take control of them,

and we place some other arrest. They're going to dictate how they want to do. We call them the one percenters. You know, it's less than one percent to do that. People are not going back to jail, even though some people say that, but some people are for real. They start just shooting it out with you. They don't want to go back.

Whatever is going through their mind at that time, it doesn't matter. They're the people you have to be more concerned with. But you know, this is how it is. How did you end up on SWAT, by the way? So I did a tryout. You know, I did a tryout. I passed. And six months after that, I was transferred to SWAT.

What's a SWAT tryout look like? Bring me on the run. So now there's a PT part of it, a mile and a half run, push up sit-ups. You have to shoot two on the shooting cores. You got to shoot 2-95s or above. and that's pretty much it. So, but there's like a 300, what is it, yard dash, there's all kind of stuff.

But it's the psyche to get you. The psyche. Like, you know, you go there, you're like all pumped up and you got the instructors there and people, you know. I've seen even the best shooters fail the shoot. Only because they're so psyched out, you know. And then after that, you go into the people,

T-parts, sit-ups, push-ups, pull-ups, and then you do your mile-and-a-half run, you know, and some people... Did you run your mile and a half in? I'm the runner. I used to stand and fight everybody, you know what I mean? I'm the runner. You look like you bench 425. Yeah, I could lift weights all day.

But, you know, probably like, you know, nothing, you know... Well, you're also talking 28 years ago. Back in the day, yeah. I could run 8-minute a mile, you know, or something. You know what I mean? Yeah. That's pretty good. Now, no.

You know, now I just, yeah, I just lift weights. I ain't just like, walk out slowly, motherfucker. That's it. You know, I ain't going to chase you, you know. Somebody else. I got all the younger guys. Send the younger ones out to chase you. I got all the other guys who were like, you know, cheat is and all.

They could do it. So what's a day to day like? I mean, you've been doing it's 28 years now. So, yeah. So, you know, you stay in roll call. You have roll call. And you don't know what's going to happen. We could have high risk.

warrant service for homicide. Or we have a shooting shooting unit, but it's hands all shootings. There'd be warrants for them or from the division detectives where we have a barricades, he'll barricades himself in the house for whatever reasons. And then jobs come in. And when jobs come in,

we have to go out and recon these jobs to see like, recon them. Yeah. So we go out, we look at the properties and we see the best way in that we're, the rear of the property is, the best way to the rear. Do we need our drone teams out there with us? And it's a methodical way we do things.

So these are situations that aren't emergency, like someone's holding the gun to someone's head right now. These are like, we know we're going to have to do this tomorrow. Yeah. So if homicide calls, oh, we have four jobs. We got three jobs, one job, whatever it is. We go out, we reconcil our own intelligence that the SWAT unit does. And we have a format that we use because there's more than likely we'll probably go back to this house sometime in the future. Possibly. And a lot of times it's years later, maybe someone's brother, you know, or father, you know, whatever it is. But it's all our own intelligence that we do and we keep everything on file.

What are you most looking for when you cut? Because all these places are different that you're looking at. Like what are the first three things that you're trying to figure out the second you're recon? Don't give away too many secrets. We don't want the other people to know. We don't know how we're getting into this location. Is it a front door? Is it a four to five? We have an intel. And that's what we'd do. do, you know, how about the rear can be access to rear? You know, and that's the other thing. Is this a bad or a ram kind of job? So, yeah, I mean, we're definitely going to, you know, be not going to announce. And if you don't open the door, we'll open it for you. That's what we do.

There you go. You know. We got to write a role for him and something, Dave. I feel like a character. Deep's the screenwriter. Yeah. He'd be sitting over here, like, just getting ideas the whole time. All right.

So obviously it's in your blood. You got on both sides of the family, cops, military, the whole bit. You've been on the force forever. You're clearly very into it. That's cool. So your son was into it a young age as well. He ends up in Camden initially working the beat out there on the street. And then why did he choose Mantua?

Like, did he have any connects to the actual town? He had a couple of opportunities to go to a couple different places. Okay. They were hiring first. He said, whoever hires first, that's where I'm going. And he got hired there first. And the guys he worked, he loved them, you know. So he just stayed there.

It's a great town. Great town. How old was he when he moved to Manchua? I think it was back in, I think he was. He was like 21, 22. What year is, are we talking? Oh, my gosh. So, like 2018, 2018,

2019. Let me say, I have my news here. So basically when this incident happens, though, he had been in Mantua for at least a couple of years. He was. He was officer of the year. He became officer of the year. And twice he was officer of the year.

Once prior to the shooting, once after the shooting. And then he also made corporal after the shooting. So obviously, you know, he was cleared because he wouldn't have been able to return to work. Yeah. and or received the prestigious award and also became corporal, which is a program you really have to study for. And the interviewing process is very intense with that as well. What makes it so intense?

They have to sit in front of a panel, I think of state police and other people that have ranked in the police department. I think it's some chiefs that they had to sit and do interviews. And I think he was ranked number two, I believe, out of all. the other applicants when he became corporal. Wow. All of this is happening really young too.

Like he's really kind of head of curve. He's really disciplined. And he takes a job serious and knows it. He educates him sometimes on things. Like with his, on his weapons.

Yeah, because he's an armor. My son's an armor. He's educating you on weapons. And I would ask him because he does all these different ballistic testing and he's just knowledgeable. research. A lot of like different stuff you want to put like if you want to set up your

an M4 rifle. This site, this scope, you know, this flashlight, whatever it is. This red dot, right,

whatever, accessories. What rifles are a good rifle? I'll give you a list of them. Stay away from this. They're not that good. The reviews, the quality control.

He's real thorough on things. So, yeah, I lean to him when I ask. I go to people who have knowledge. Yeah. And to get better, to educate myself, you know. I should have asked you this earlier, too, because you've been on SWAT for so long, but I would imagine you've had to take kill shots in your career.

I was present for them. I was a spotter on a couple jobs. But me, myself, my years, I never had to shoot anybody. Okay. So the guys that you're with, though, if you're present for some situations where someone was armed and dangerous and they had to get shot, had to get shot in that scenario, obviously they have reviews and everything. thing afterwards. Were you ever around one where there was a controversial review? Never. So they were all very straightforward. Yeah, yeah. They were all justified shootings. Do you think part of that is also because you were literally on the SWAT team? So it's like, we're held to a higher standard SWAT. We can't, you just can't like, just you people. Like,

you're held at a higher standard. So they looked at you like, hey, this was really, you've SWAT did it. You know, it had to be something. Right. Then, and they're. Sometimes they're on where they're being called to a scene, whereas an officer just on patrol or a car stop, that's something that might not be prepared for. When they go to scenes, they know they're going to a barricade with someone. So they have a little bit more, not all the time, but preparation. Like when you're going out to this house, they're holding somebody hostage. They know that where just regular patrol officers, like you said, their job is changing throughout the day. Yeah.

You know, they don't have the second person in the car, the backup, where he's, he's a lot of, you know, they don't have the second person in the car, the backup where he's, He's coming with the big bear truck. He's coming with four year. They're coming with all the guns of blazing, so to speak. Yeah, helmet, boltproof. Yeah, and patrol doesn't have that. They have some of them have long guns now. They put in the last so many years they have long guns.

They have long guns. We all our guys have them. And you still worry. You know, things happen. And we're coming to try to a peaceful resolution. Right. It's up to you. You're going to dictate on what you're going to do is how we're going to be.

Back in 2020, his course. Corporal was killed doing just serving a warrant with narcotics and not narcotics. Wait, Corporal on the SWAT team. Yeah, Jim O'Connor. It was a homicide. Homicide. I'm sorry. My apologies.

Yeah, he was shot the, he was shot going up the stairs through the wall. They were shooting through the wall at them. Yeah. So it is still, you know, it's dangerous profession no matter what unit you're in. Yeah. And they put their lives on a lot every day. For sure. You still worry about that, 28 years in?

You always worry. You always worry. But I have to, I just, I have to pray. I just put it in God's hands and I'll text them. The night that Salvatore was involved with the shooting in Camden, he was on the night shift. The one with the tourniquet. The tourniquet. And I remember, I always would text him before I would go to bed, you know, be safe, have a good night. Text me as soon as you get off the shift. You know, I just needed that peace of mind. And we talked and about a half an hour later, I'm walking the dog. And I'm like, oh, my God.

So my stomach got real sick. And I'm like, something's wrong. So I messaged him back and I said, say, I'll be like extra safe tonight. And then we went in the house and I was getting ready for bed and he's in the shower. And a friend that was listening to the scanner called me up and said, there was a shooting in Camden. An officer was shot. And according to where they were, it's either pest, or Salvatore and I can't get a hold to either one of them. I'm like, oh my God. So I'm yelling at

him. Get out of the shower. As I'm yelling at him, someone from SWAT is calling him. There was just an officer in Camden shot. I'm yelling down to my other boys like, open the door because I'm thinking if he was shot, somebody has to come and get me, right? Couldn't get a hold to anybody for like a good 10 minutes. I called my brother because he had some connections in Jersey. We were calling around and he called me back. He said, it's not Salvador, Pat. But, you know, get up to the hospital and then we were able to get more phone calls like you know get to the hospital um so i had that just that gut instinct that night so if my my belly's kind of bubbling i kind of like all right listen you know be a little extra careful tonight because you know they're hunted today

these police officers are in my opinion are being hunted they they are being belligerent to them they're fighting with them even over speeding tickets and we've just lost all respect for our a law enforcement agency. So I, you know, I just pray. I pray for a day. There needs to be a better middle ground. I'm a huge believer in the middle ground and everything. It's like mutual respect between communities and officers and also everyone held to the standard they're supposed to be held to. And that's how society is supposed to function. No, not anymore. The bad is good and the good is bad now. That's where we've turned to in this society. And this is why we have been doing podcasts and speaking up, not only for our son.

Because today it's our son. Tomorrow it's this person's son or daughter or it might be the next person. It might be them themselves. So we have to cultivate and let people know that we have people backing them. We have people supporting them doing their job. And that's, I think, where we are. We're just trying to be the voice because he can't speak up for himself. But also bringing evidence publicly as well so that the average person can actually see it.

Right. I mean, obviously, we met each other through Eddie Gallagher. I was telling you off camera before, I remember, like, seeing Eddie Gallagher's case in the background before I did this back in 2016, 2017. And you read the headlines really fast. You read the first few paragraphs. You're like, wow, this guy's fucked up. Yeah. And then my friend Sean Ryan did a podcast with him in like 2020.

And I saw it maybe a year later. I was like, you know, presented six hours, presented all the evidence. It's like, oh, my God. They don't want you to present. They don't want the evidence. See, that's what the grand juries do. So, you know, I always thought the grand juries, well, of course, you know, you're not going to be indicted. Look at all this evidence.

Once they play this statement and that statement, there's no way they're going to indict you. I didn't know. Well, you don't even get your own lawyer in there. There's nobody there representing my son or you, or you, if you're the person that's up there. It's just the prosecution presenting what they want to present to get the indictment or to not get the indictment. That's right. And for people out there that say, oh, so-and-so must be guilty, they were indicted, no, you have to look and see how these indictments play out. They present exactly what they want to present.

Well, this is also my issue, too. I've talked about this over the years so much in different contexts on the podcast. I hate how in society we've created this incentive for W's, and W's meaning a result in a conviction for people on the prosecution side. And specifically what I mean by that is a prosecutor, like I remember pre-parara in New York used to run around saying I'm 88 and O on insider trading cases. And I always think to myself, so there weren't a few guys in there who actually were innocent. You know what I mean? And I would much rather someone say there's 77 and 11 and actual justice was done in all 88 than 88 and 0. But what happens is that stat is then used by someone two rungs ahead of them on a Tuesday in November, you know, a couple years later to win office and be like, my prosecution team did blank, blank, blank and blank.

And it creates scenarios where people like in your case, your son is used as a little teeny football to these people just in the middle of a bunch of footballs. And yet it's someone's life and, you know, holding their future, their family, their ability to earn a living like on. Yes. Feed it the fire. It's crazy to me. And that's what they do. They will make an example out of hibbs. So all the other officers will fall in line.

And I've spoken to many chiefs and we've done some meetings and meet and greets and things like that. And they all say, I tell my officers, your job is to go home at night. So you take that for whatever you need to take it. But we're not creating safe neighborhoods if you're just going to sit back as a police officer because you're afraid to do your job. because you're afraid to go to jail and lose everything like my son has. Yeah. I mean, this isn't just affecting him. He's married now.

He has small children. How long has he been married? So he got indicted in May of 2023. He was getting married September of 2023. This has put a damper on all the happy times that he should have had without all this hanging over his head. But thank goodness, we have a great family. We have great extended family in-laws that were. able to come together and really just help them through this time. But here we are, three years

since the indictment, no pay. He was suspended without pay. Health benefits, we have to pay out pocket. You know, that's a lot each month. So we're all working together and trying to raise funds. And the Pipe-Pitter Foundation last year has been God sent to us. That's Eddie's Foundation. Eddie's Foundation and some fundraisers that we have. But they have bills that they have to pay. And that's what they figure. Well, we'll either, you know, drag this on until he gets to the point where he's bankrupt and he'll take a plea deal or maybe he'll just kill himself and then we don't have to worry

about it that way. The process is the punishment. Yes. So we have to speak up because we started noticing we knew this was a political motivated indictment. But then we started seeing some things and hearing some things. And I'm like, we have to up our game and we have to start getting letters out. And we have to whoever would speak to me, I would email.

I would message. I would phone call. Podcasters on Instagram. And then we were able to finally get through the anti-hero. That's Brent Phillips. It was, yeah, Tyler and Brent at the time. And now it's Tyler and Mike Dilks, which Mike. Dilks is responsible for getting us to Eddie and Andrea. So, oh, really? Very cool. Yeah, we're just,

we're very grateful to everyone that we've come in contact with that, that help us along the lines, because they look at this and they're, they say the same thing, like, how the heck did this happen? It's also, you know, obviously you want to see this period come to a close and everything. It's been hell and all that. But to see, like, people taking us on and helping it out is cool. and it's it's cool for me a little bit too because Eddie and Jim met right here. You know what I mean? I even tell Eddie Jim was coming that day. I was like, I got Eddie Gallagher coming in.

You should be here. And now he's a board member. Yeah, 10 minutes. And he's like, within 10 minutes, Jim's like, yeah, I just love to help out however I can. I'm like that. He just shook his hand. All right, great. And then he was serious about it.

And now, you know, he can help on the case too, which is really cool. Yeah, that's great. Getting back to Eddie Galler. Same thing. I follow Eddie story. and I didn't even know him at the time and I was like man this dude's a fucking American hero going out there doing the job

and he's being brought up for killing terrorists he's brought up for doing his job like my son did his job you know I said that's fucking bullshit you know I said you know this is what he's supposed to do right we tell it like it is

the way that they also told the story of what happened there because that's what I read it was all wrong. Like it was Because they had to fit their narrative. Yeah. Like it was completely, that's not at all what happened. And then you look at it and you're like,

but this is what he's paid to do. Like we send over the special forces to make sure a guy like that dies. You know what I mean? And it's, I don't root for death and war and whatever. But if you're in the middle of a battlefield, but the guy belonging to ISIS, it kind of is what it is.

You know, there's not. I'm sure there's more horrific things that happen. during wartime than is bullshit. There's more horrific things that happened in the streets of our cities every single day that it doesn't get broadcast

or doesn't get put in front of a camera and make the nightly news. But to his credit also like Eddie, he was like, I had no idea how any of this works once you're accused of something like that and he had to learn the hardest way. He was in like the solitary

and the break or something for like eight months. And that's... Lawyers fees, all that. Yeah. They're trying to really screw them over. Just like us. We had to educate ourselves We did.

I'm a police officer, but I do it from a different aspect of the job. What do you mean? I'm not a prosecutor, so I don't know how all that works. Right. You just come in. We just come in. We do all the dirty work. You know what I mean?

Well, like I said, you know, when. Police work isn't pretty. When we found out this was going to go to a grand jury, because they took it out of the local prosecutor's hands to investigate police shootings. They wanted transparency. That's why the Attorney General has the Office of Public Integrity and Accountability. That's what it's called. The Office, I know, integrity, it's funny, right?

The OPIA. That's a chat GPT name. Right? Yeah. But we knew like all the internals were this was just procedural because we've had conversations, the shooting response team, the liaison from the Attorney General's office cleared him to go back to work from their own Attorney General's office. How long after the shooting was that? Oh, he was like two weeks. Yeah, a couple weeks.

He was back, good to go. What was the, in those two weeks, what was the full process? A couple interviews. What else? Well, they came to the area. They went to all the ring camera, doorbell ring cameras. Oh, so they had that too. They went to any other video.

The neighbors. Family members. All the neighbors. All over, family members. A whole process. They put everything together. Like, yeah, students justified. There's no issues here.

They, is it, is, they, the representatives from the liaison office and the prosecutor's office, from the attorney general's office and the prosecutor's office basically said, listen, is this tragic? It's tragic. Someone lost their life. Yes. But there's nothing criminal here. There's no violation of policy and procedures, even within his own department. This was a clean justified shoot that they decided that they wanted to make an example of him. And, um, I'm sorry, what was the name? And when he was clear two weeks later, what was the name of the, the office that actually did that? The Attorney General's office. So it was that all the way at the top of the attorney general's office that turned around and indicted him. That same Attorney General's office. That's what I'm confused by because if it's the highest level of the state, they determine no prosecution. Is there any legality to the precedent of them saying officially on memos like, okay, he's not prosecuted and then they can come back and say we change our mind? So I don't think it was ever if it's not so the way the process works is the shooting response team this is my understanding okay and then you can correct me i'll bet it's i bet you're right the shooting response team comes out which

is the state police shooting response team comes out and they do their investigation along with the attorney general's office they do their investigation and then they then hand over their investigation to i don't know the top person i'm assuming the attorney general and then they can say this does not have to go in front of a grand jury. They have their own little stipulation or law. But they put them in front of the grand jury because they want to show that they're being transparent in these situations. Because remember now, this is the, not the height of the defund the police movement, but 2021 still pretty much in there. So they want to make it transparent that they're not just sweeping these cases under the, under the rug. he got a grand jury in 2021 too? So 2021 was the shooting. The grand jury didn't happen until

2023. That's what I thought. Right. But so they kept telling him, well, it's got to go in front of the grand jury, you know, just for procedural. There's nothing legality here. Over those two years. Over those 20 months. Right. It took them 20 months to get a grand jury together?

It was COVID. Well, yeah. A lot of people are at home. I mean, come on. That's dirt. That's huge. And then at that time, when he was clear, it was under a different attorney general. And then Matt Plankton came in. Gruel was the attorney general who said there's nothing wrong here.

Right. Back to work. Because if there's anything wrong, listen, anybody that's in policing, and I'm not talking about public opinion, anybody that's in policing knows if an officer has done something wrong, they're going to take you right off the street. They're going to suspend you with or without pay. You're going to be taken, put on the shelf. You're not going to be given permission to go back to work.

Yeah, for another two years. Here, we just put this killer back to work. He's so reckless. And served the public. Maybe he'll kill a couple more people. Because they charged him with one count of reckless manslaughter. And we heard there was a lot of internal fighting because they couldn't believe, even the people in the shooting response team and the prosecutor's office, they were all going back forward. Like, what are you?

Like, we've already had discussions about this. This is a justified shooting, tragic, but justified. So when we had to turn him in, the state police refused to walk him from our understanding, refused to walk him into prison because they said, this is just, this is wrong. It's just wrong. You shouldn't be here. Yeah, that's, that's wild that it was that much long. And it took 20 months just to do a grand jury. Because that's another thing like we take for granted when we talk about a lot of different cases. Like, oh, yeah, the grand jury. But if you ask the average person, they wouldn't even know, like, how that works. People, most people know how the juror system works. There's 12. It's a trial.

They're selected. And then they sit there, listen to the evidence and then they decide. But a grand jury, your defense attorneys don't get to go in there. You don't have any access to what's happening. The prosecutors go in and make whatever case they want. And if they're just a zealot prosecutor, they don't really care about the truth. They're going in there with their facts. And it's, is it like 30 people? Something like that? So it was 23. 23 in New Jersey. And it's the same. Is it the same kind of process? No. Different process. Majority rules. Whereas like you can have one person on a jury say, no, he's not guilty. And it's either a hung jury and they have to do it all over or just let it go. You have to take the scale and go like that. Yeah. But in a grand jury, it's majority rules. So it was 12 say yeah, 11 say no, 12 get it. Oh, something happened here. We have to look into it. And then it's all about the narrative that they want to spend, the story they want to tell. If you want to get indicted, don't indict you. If they don't want to indict you, they want to indict you. Like they say, you can indict a ham sandwich.

Yeah. You know, because it's all, you know, they're festering all these lies to fit their narrative. So when they go in there and to the grand jury, they present just enough evidence, but they don't explain it. They don't tell them that, you know, this officer was cleared, went back to work. They don't, they just give you, like you said, enough when they blew up the picture that we have. Oh, see, he wasn't holding the gun. They blew up the shot after they blew up. This picture, there's like he's not holding the gun.

Well, that's not the one they showed the grand jury. On before, yeah, they showed a different picture. They showed a different picture. And they blew it up and they said, see, he wasn't even pointing the gun at the police officer. What, do we have the picture they showed them? Probably on, I think my husband may have it. All right, we'll get that. See, that's what's crazy.

You should be able to have your own Saul Goodman or hopefully someone better than that come in as your defense attorney and be like, yeah, here's a picture five minutes later of the guy holding the gun. This is actually like when he goes on. This wasn't an issue because, like I said, they. They knew once they did the investigation, again, he was, he didn't violate the policy. Yes, somebody is deceased. I get that. But there's, he followed his training. He did everything he was told to do in his training if he encountered the situation and what he needed to do.

And the policy procedures back him. Yeah. So you, like, this is an issue. I have with the legal system. There should be something that works both ways here, right? in the sense that if you, if an office sets precedent reviews a bunch of evidence and determines no charges in the interests of the people's lives at hand having their lives held in limbo while they're under investigation for something, it should set a precedent similar

to like the no double jeopardy thing or something like that where unless new evidence, is just my opinion, unless new evidence is presented like legitimately new evidence that would change what the investigation was, it shouldn't be allowed to be reopened. One of my friends, John Kyriaku, he was CIA for 25 years, serious, serious dude, ended up being the fall guy for the torture program when he was the one guy who actually argued against it, funny enough. And the way that thing worked was they wanted to make him the fall guy like CIA did when they were fighting with Bush towards the end of the administration. So the FBI went to John Kyriaku and his attorney and said, we're investigating you for X, Y, and Z. We're letting you know legally. I think they had to tell them for some reason.

And a year later, they came to him and said, hey, thank you for being professional. I'm sorry. We were just doing our job. No charges. We've closed the case, whatever. There are emails from John Brennan, who's a very bad guy, who eventually became the director of CIA. There are emails that John Brennan sent the attorney general, Eric Holder, a couple years later, saying, find something on Kiriaku. And the Attorney General says, already looked at it, case closed, there's nothing.

And Brennan's like, fuck you, find something. And then they get to open up an investigation. They charge him with fucking 80 crimes. By the time he pled to some, they had dropped 77 or 78 of them. And people think that doesn't happen. Oh, my God, all the time. And we see that. We see that with President Trump.

We see that with another recipient of the pipe hitters, Michael McMahon and his wife, Martha. she's an award-winning, Emmy Award winning actress, soap opera star. They did the same thing to him. What was his case? So his case, he was a highly decorated NYPD hero, police officer. He had an injury, was unable to perform his job anymore, so he became a private investigator.

And he was investigating. Very sought after a private investigator. And somebody referred him for a case where, there was, I think it was a construction company and they had stolen money. So he did whatever he had to do, his background checks, this and that. And he notified the police. He did everything he was supposed to do when he was doing surveillance. And that was in 2016. And then in 2020, they came knocking on his door and the FBI locked him up. And they were charging him with interstate stalking and being, I don't know the correct terms, but being involved with basically the CCP. The CCP.

The CCP. The CCP. Because it was a Chinese-based company. And he's like, I did everything that I was correctly doing. He had emails. He had receipts. But the judge wouldn't allow any of that. So he was like the fall guy.

And Martha and I have become very friendly. And to this day, she goes to Washington and she fights. He was found guilty, not on the big charge, but on interstate stalking. So they had to turn him in in July. And he served time from July until October. They were able to get him out. And she's been fighting for him. And President Trump gave him a full pardon in November.

So she's also brutal to live with a felony at all. You go to jail for a week, but you're a convicted felon. It makes your life to live in hell in a lot of ways. So she's been working with Representative Lawler and a lot of people in Washington, D.C. to get these laws changed because she's like, this is, she has a great book. You have to read her book. It's in the interest of justice by Martha Byrne. And she goes in how they did exactly what you're just talking about.

They make it look like, oh, we need a fall guy. This is the bad guy here. Look here. Don't look over here. So it's crazy because people think that stuff doesn't happen. Yes, yes, it does. It does stop looking at the tell live vision, right? The television, it tells a lie.

And go put that in chat, GPT. We want that coined. Right. And listen, people have to start using their brains. Nobody's using their brain cells. And we had a start. I'm like, we need to go. I can't.

I can't sit back. and let them accuse my son and talk all this shit on him that he did this and this when a he was totally protected by what he did under the guidelines and b mr sharp has a very interesting horrific past that has led him to that interaction that night with my son yeah tragic let's actually talk about that because he's got a long backstory with a lot of different things that are tragic as it as it turned out and all that. But we're talking about a guy who at one point, Drew, you were telling me off camera, he was, he was military police with the Air Force or something like that? Military police with the Air Force. What does that even mean? Military police with the Air Force.

Who knows? I guess he worked. I guess he worked. Oh, I know is he probably had a gun. I know he never suffered no post-traumatic stress being a military police with the Air Force. But either way, like this is a guy who at least started with the military and then he's on like a law enforcement side of the military as well. So like he knows the type of side in some way that your son does. And yet ironically, his life ends this way. And according to his family and even some of the police officers, he was very friendly. He was police friendly. Like he, one of his friends who he served with in the military was also a Mantua police officer who had retired. So when his family was notified, they're like, what do you meet?

Like when they found out it was a police officer because they all thought he committed suicide when they were first notified because they weren't told exactly what happened. But they were like, he finally did it. Oh my gosh. I know he's reckless right now. You know, did he do it? Everyone thought he had either, you know, well, they thought he committed suicide. They weren't sure how, but they knew he was on a lot of drugs and alcohol and prescription medication. You were telling me he had something like 29 rehab stints.

that somewhat you were even telling me, Drew, there was like a hundred potential attempted suicides that are on record. I don't know if they're all record. But according to his ex-wife, she has a journal. She said multiple, multiple times. She names a bunch of, and it's in her statement. Because she's been helpful in this investigation. Well, she was helpful. She did. She wasn't one of the the people that was sought out by police to question. She had reached out when she, She found out, she had reached out to her friend who knew a Mantual police officer and said, I need to speak with somebody. I know he did this.

So they put, this is the ex-wife. This is the ex-wife. They put her in contact with the detectives from the Attorney General's office. Right when it happened. The day after, yeah, the day after, the day or two after. So she gave these statements like, yeah. And she said, she said, listen, you know, I spoke of them over the weekend and we have our statement that we can play. She said, I know he did this.

I feel horrible for this police officer. And then she goes on and explains. you know, his battles with depression and suicidal ideation and suicidal attempts and in and out of rehab and detox centers and just she goes on and on and on. What happened to him? Because this was a guy who was in the Air Force, seemed to have like, you know, upstanding citizen kind of thing, life and order. And then at some point something goes wrong. Do we know anything about that? He suffered from depression. They said he suffered. He had PTSD depression.

He was an alcoholic for many years, got cleaned, and then when his parents passed away, it kind of, I think, set him back on that track, you know, of depression. And his wife, ex-wife always said he was always known to be an alcoholic. But recently, she said he, she wouldn't rule out drugs because he's made comments to the neighbor that he was going to go by meth. Cocaine was his drug of choice. they found drug paraphernalia in the house when they searched it. And what about his toxicology report?

Oh, high levels. Off the have that here. Off the chart. Yeah, you're intimidated me. You got the whole, I feel like you're the attorney here. Well, you know, listen, I have to do our homework. That's right. I love that you got nothing and we got the full case.

Everything's up here. No, we have a whole team. It's like I got it up here. We have a whole team. My old partner, Jimmy Green, a lot of credit to him for doing a lot of work that he does. He's like this savvy type detective. Okay. Yeah.

So this is the toxicology report. This is, it's dated July 18th, 2025. Is that just because you guys need to get a warrant or something? The original toxicology report that we, that was done that evening. Apparently, the gentleman that did the original toxicology report started. started to work for the Attorney General's office and was no longer allowed to speak with us. So we had to go get our own toxicologist, a new expert, to look at his toxicology report, which this gentleman, our new gentleman states, basically they left out a whole bunch of other

information in the toxic. They left out. The levels were actually a lot higher. Okay. And in the, in the, I have it right here, in the original. I have so much stuff, so I apologize. No, you're good. Just the basic background.

He was 49 years old, 510, weighed 189. And so this is the original toxicology that I'm reading. No, this is the new expert. The original one is right here on my phone, and I can send that to you. Well, no, what I'm saying is before I get to what your guy found, he's listing the original two. So let's do that. Okay, I didn't know. Go ahead.

So October 8th, 2021, the laboratory, the original one. a few weeks after the shooting reported the following for Mr. Sharp. Benzologenine at 0.21 milligrams per liter. Alprazolam at 0.092 milligrams per liter. What are those two things? He's a nurse, so he can tell me. You're a nurse, too? He's also a nurse too.

I forgot to tell you. You wear the nurse hat in here? Yeah, I could. I could. So, yeah. But what are those two things? I'm unfamiliar with those. Benzos, yeah.

Oh, that's Benzons. Benzos right there. I know benzodiazepine. That's what's usually called, but this is another Atlantic. This is another kind. So he had prescription drugs in his system as well as illegal drugs. And then he had amphetamine and methamphetamine at point one, and this is the original reporting at 0.125 milligrams per liter amphetamine. 5.093 milligrams per liter methamphetamine. Okay. Now let's get to what? So while you're looking for that, the original toxin, psychology report from November the medical examiners report. His notes were then this man was apparently suffering from psychotic illness and perhaps post-traumatic stress disorder. He may have also been suffering from drug intoxication and preliminary drug screen performed at the autopsy.

He was positive from methamphetamine, amphetamine, and cocaine. The man was shot by a police officer because he came, God bless you, at the police with the gun. We do not know if the, if he shot his gun, but he had the gun in his hand and pointed at the officers. The shots fired by the police officer resulted in fragmentation of the gun. He apparently had the gun in his right hand. It is believed he also had the cell phone in his left hand. But the actual report goes into where the bullet struck and it talks about like the thumb and the gun. So we know. How many shots were fine? There was 13 fired altogether, but 10 struck Mr. Sharp. Were they all fired from Sal? Yes.

Okay. Got it. So either way, though, because I'm also reading through this while you're putting that, the methamphetamine levels are off the charts. Off the charts. Like that's – because I'm not a doctor, if that wasn't painfully clear. But just reading the analysis here, it's basically – I just saw something. Now I lost it.

A nine milligram oral dose of methamphetamine produces blood concentrations, the average 0.02 milligrams per liter. this guy had reported anywhere between what was it on 2.6 to 5.09 so that's enormous factors 125 is high 125 milligrams is high well that would be the point 1 2 5 so he's at 0.5 yeah he's feeling it he's feeling it for sure okay so the original report though didn't have as some of the numbers were lower than what they actually... I don't know if we have that report because it could be in... Well, I have the results of it here.

Yes. They're right there. But I think from what our understanding is, this new medical examiner that came in, our expert medical examiner, put more detailed into the report. So the other report wasn't helpful to Mr. Sharp, but this report is even more devastating. Okay. Let me read this paragraph right here

because this is really good context for all us non-medical people out here. Yes. Benzozolygonin, which I guess, as you said, Dief is related to the benzos I'm thinking of, is a breakdown product of cocaine that occurs without biological activity and, in fact, can occur after the specimen is collected, the fact that Mr. Sharp had only the breakdown product and no cocaine indicates that Mr. Sharp's use of cocaine was probably an hour or more before his death since cocaine has a half-life of about an hour. Cocaine is a half, wow, that's why it's so expensive.

I'm sure. Okay. So, and how did you get connected with the new guy? Our lawyer, we had a, our lawyer had to find a new toxicologist. All right. So it was our lawyer who reached out to this one, however, whether he has it on a rolodex, who knows, but we, we, We look for people that are highly trained.

We want the experts because we have to get him cleared. So we can't have some half-assed toxicologist. You know, we need someone that's going to be very thorough in their job. Now, what's the scenario, Drew, with when once a shoot is happening and your job is to neutralize the subject? Hopefully it doesn't die, but that's totally out of your control at that point. It kind of is what it is. It's happening very quickly. You're firing shots.

13 shots at a suspect. Is that standard in your experience, like seeing 10 to 15 type shots fire at someone? Oh, yeah. You can fire more than that. I've seen old shootings, a lot more. You know, it depends. I mean, what's the resistance? The guy's in control of a firearm.

You engage him. It goes down. Still in control of a firearm. Still can kill you from the ground. You know, drop the gun. Refusion to drop the weapon. You engage him again. You know, as you're moving closer and he reaches for the gun again,

you could shoot them again until you neutralize the threat I mean you have to you have to yeah neutralize the threat before you can do anything and you have to remember this is still a hot job because they said that there was like several people breaking in so just to look

for other people so once he shot you have to secure the back and the rear the front and the rear the property and you have to go from air were there any reports at any point the first guy was his name again Lampley or Corporal Layton. Corporal lately. Layton. So did he have any intelligence upon at first coming up there to think that there were other people there? Or was it just an unknown at that point? Like there could be, but we don't know. No, they came out. There was a white male, a black male and a female.

Possible female. So there's three people they were looking for. So the first person they engage is a white male. Right. No one ever said, hey, this is the homeowner or whatever. And even it was. It wouldn't have to change anything. You have to listen to that. The 9-1. one call, really we can break, when we listen to it, or break that down because that's key, because he says, they ask him, did you see the weapon? He says, oh, yes, I saw it. It's shown off the moonlight. But all the officers know, because they don't have the mobile data terminals in their cars. So they know they're responding to a scene with an active burglary in progress. One male or one suspect is armed.

So they're already pulling up to a scene with heightened awareness knowing that this suspect is armed. And I think we focus so much on Salvatore, but we don't look at the fact that when the corporal first pulls up, that man's pointing a gun right at his head. Right. So, you know. He's trying to get his gun.

And he says that on the radio. And he says drop the gun. And he doesn't drop the gun. He proceeds to then continue to turn and walk towards the police or turn his body towards the police, where then my son encounters him just seconds later and the corporal is saying he's got a gun and he said I made sure and you'll see it from the body cam it's very quick he pops up pops back and engages him because that's what he's trained to do and we'll have that too and by the way people if there's some

videos that you guys don't see that we're reacting to it's because we can't show it on the screen for youtube but if you pulled up some here you don't have your mic with you by the way but can you just tell me what we're looking at right here. This is the 911 call. Wait, this is the actual not. It goes from the 911 call right into the body cam footage. Okay. So we'll have this where we don't, people on the screen don't see it. Yeah, but let's take a look at this and I'll kind of describe the people.

What I'm seeing and we'll have some volume on it. Let's roll. So this is. 9-1-1- where's emergency? Two intruders in the back. my yard. Who's talking? Is this sharp?

That's sharp. It's sharp. Manchu. Yeah. One of them had it gone for short. Okay. And your son numbers, um... So he's reporting intruders.

How many words are? Do a firecracker where he gets to get him to go, but they keep coming back, like look into the fence. Okay. Hold on for the police. I'm going to transfer you. I'm always blown away how calm. I would transfer on Elm Avenue in Mantua. Antua. The number of his... Call reported intruders on the property,

and he believes one of them had a gun. Hello? One of them definitely had a gun. I saw him. What's your address? 57 Elm. 57 Elm Avenue? 257.

257? Yeah. I mean, I came out, and I little, a quarter stick to scare them away, but they came back. Okay. How many people were there? Two. You're on Elm, not West Elm, right?

Not one out. Okay. How many were there, he said, too? Two. That I saw it, and then as I came back, there was a woman. So he said... You guys in the individuals? Um, I'm going to say to one guy, he looked like to me maybe in his mid-60s.

You got white male, black males, Hispanic males? White, white, long, like, um, thinning hair. The other guy was a black guy. So one white male, one black man? Yeah, another girl. I really couldn't get a look. She was behind the fence. What were they doing?

Well, when I looked at my window, the one guy was in my shed, getting my shed door open. And then, I came around to go outside to confront them, and there was a guy fucking in my truck. Connie got it open.

Okay, hang on one second. Or where they at now? you don't look like somebody's in my truck okay man short cars county 257 elm avenue 257 o'm avidavit

not one phone call cars vizing two subjects on his property on mail was trying to get to a shed one now possibly in a truck now he buys that one may have everybody going to half dude I don't know if he's side do you pause this

I mean I have something my grant do we hear do we end up here in the confrontation on you? Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And right now he's he's saying that the guy's in my truck, but I'm going in my house. Well, if the guy's in your truck and you're standing there, right? So he said he threw quarter sticks of dynamite to scare him off. But they keep coming back. So. Quarter sticks of dynamite. Mm-hmm. In Mantua. How close is this to like Dippies? Well, I, it's, I don't know how close it is Dippies, but it's literally like three blocks from the two or three blocks from the actual police station and the nintecho. And then.

It's close. It's dangerously close. Yeah. It's very close. I've been on the street many times in my life. Okay. So he's just back it up just a little bit because this is where he talks about what his grandfather willed him. Did he, did we end up hearing any of the police officer radio on this as well? Yeah. Okay. Okay. Yeah. So it's all on this video. That's what that's what I want to know. Okay. Go ahead. He buys two subjects on his property. One male was trying to get to his fed, one male, possibly in his truck now. He advised that one day has a baby. Everybody's going to half, dude. I don't know if these sides. I mean, I have something my grandfather passed down to me.

I don't know how legal it is. And a will. What's your name? Charles Sharp. Charles. Yeah. So, number? So he mentions this gun.

He mentions it again, too. So now he's on the phone with the cop at this point, and they're going to send someone out now, basically. So he's also talking when they want to know. Did you see the weapon? They're talking to confirm the weapon. I mean, it was silver to the moonlight came off of it, and I knew, I don't know what's how the words, but it was a hand-on. Okay. Did you see it, though? Yes, sir.

Caller said he tried to make contact with the individuals and saw the hang on. So then I went back in the house. Like I said, my grandfather, willed me to 45. 45. I don't know what I'm allowed to do or do without that. So I just, I threw a couple quarters to death. You did what? Maybe that's not the professional.

A couple of quarters of it. Yeah. So listen, here it is here. They did. They did inside that. So he really threw it. Is that the first? You hear him say put the gun down and speed up.

Are you talk all my officers? So he's got the gun hand. He said he's got a handgun. I copy. That was all the shots? Yeah. Here, Sal say, don't reach. As my son's moving up when we still reached out for the gun and Salvi's saying,

don't reach, don't reach. No more shots though. No more shots. No more shots. It's quick. It's quick. Okay, see what you're saying. No seconds is quick.

When you're, wait, wait, when you're, Hold on one second. When you're at a range and you're shooting and you have on head gear and everything or ear gear, you feel every shot because you're doing it and you're also, you don't have all the noise and reverberation. So I guess I think from my own experience doing that, like you're more hyper aware of when each round goes off,

but I'll bet if I go back and look at some videos of me shooting, I'd be like, wait, that was 15? Well, they said that. They said when people are, when police officers are in that, they might say, oh, I shot six times and it might have been 22 times. When witnesses, how many shots did you hear? Oh, I heard three or four and it was 14. So that perception is off because you're not.

Well, your adrenaline is pumping too. Right. You know, you're not really, you have tunnel vision. You know, all of a sudden, everything's open and now it's here. Right. And you're just like, I don't know. And they happen to have the whole thing on the actual 911 call too, which is wild. All right.

Let's play this deep. And again, we can't show this part on screen. But let's just play this so we can see. So this is your son's body cam. So, yeah. So he, they, and they cut the body cam. He first pulls up and then you'll say like he starts to get out of the car. They purposely cut.

Because he sees, he, he sees his corporal slowing down. Then he sees the corporal taking off. So then he gets back in the car because they said, oh, he pulled up within five seconds. He shot him. But you have to take the time from the actual corporal. Corpropal location. Okay. Let's play it, thief.

Okay. So he's getting out. Where? Where? Done. Shots are done. Now the shots fired. Immediately reported shots fired. So now he's moving towards.

And your watch, he does life-saving. Don't reach. Don't reach. So was he still moving a little bit? His move, he's reaching out for the gun. My son stays so calm. My son stays so calm. Hi God. I'm sorry to be else. Launch, he's got a gun on him.

He's got a gun on him. He's got a gun on him. Right there, right there. Okay, so there's two other guys. So the other answer, sorry. What did he just kick? The gun? So he's going to get medical equipment now on the back of the

I don't know, the guy came up. When you're the gun? I thought he was in fucking shooting, dude. He's putting on medical gloves to get ready to go in there. The other two cops are just standing by the body. Because they're trying to secure. But now they walk off to secure the house and saying, Hey, there's two more people.

Because they're going to look for all right. Three more. And then the rest of it is he goes up. He goes on, puts the chest heels on him. And my son does CPR while the other officers secure the scene. That's the actual part is not. By the way, whatever came of the three people he reported. It was all fictitious.

There was nobody. So he was seen in his head. So there was nobody breaking into his shed. His shed had a padlock on it, which is ex-wife. Yeah, ex-wife said very big lock. Right. And his car was, he couldn't drive. his car unless he blew into the machine for the breathalyzer because he had DUIs.

Right. He was in a prior accident, I think earlier that day, that Monday afternoon he had hit like a mirror. So he was really upset about that according to his family. But he, you know, he was had a lot of demons. And it's tragic. It's tragic. And I feel for the family because they've lost, you know, the son lost his father.

They've lost a loved one, a brother. you know a friend but now you've involved our family because you didn't have the nerve to do it yourself the other 15 times because we do believe this was suicide by police you're making a fictitious phone call um the according to the neighbors they were hearing the quarter sticks a dynamite going off the young neighbor across street thought they were gunshots he took his family yeah i have all their i have all their testimony's right here and all their reports you know they he he said he He said he spoke with Mr. Sharp and he saw the weapon. And Mr. Sharp said, you know, they're breaking in.

He said, I'm going to put, excuse my language, I'm going to put a motherfucker down the night. And, you know, the neighbor across the street said, let the police handle it. He took his family and he woke his mom up and said, we got to get in the basement. He's firing off shots. Like, I'm afraid they're going to come through the window. You know, and again, when the sister finds out, the brother finds out, he says, you know, I know he's reckless night now, but did he do it? Like they all believed when they were notified that he committed suicide. Right.

All right. Real quick, I got to go to the bathroom, but I want to go through like the timeline of Sharp's whole background and everything. And, you know, when he left his wife and all that when we get back. So we'll be right back. All right. We're back. So before I get to the recorded call that Sharp's ex-wife had with the detectives because there's some context in that people should have those really helpful. Do we know how long they had been divorced, how many kids he had?

And did, I imagine we're going to hear some of them in the call, but detail what went wrong? She does, she does say that they were due to get married back in 2010 when her son was just an infant. But he slid his wrists and was going to commit suicide. Well, tried to commit suicide. His friend took him to the hospital. She called it off. But then eventually did wind up marrying him. How long were they married?

So they, well, this shooting took place in 2021. I think they divorced a couple of years prior to that. So they were divorced, but like she says, we are on very friendly terms. Did she live in Mantua too? She lives, I think, close to Mantua. Okay. It's around Westville or surrounding city. So they had a very, she said we had an applicable relationship.

You know, they shared their son. But she said, you know, she basically. says, I know he did this. And then she goes on to explain why. Okay. So let's play the first part of that thief. So we get some context here. We're not going to play the full 18 minute call for people out there, but it's publicly about it. So if you go on YouTube, you can get the 911 call and the body camp footage. And the, no, her, hers is not. No. It's just from a former. Let's hear some of this at least. Hello?

Hi. Is this a kid? It is speaking. Hi, this is... Hi, how are you? Yes. I also am here with... I'm with the Attorney General's office. We blanked out there.

Hi, how are you? I'm good, how are you? Yeah, first of all, I just want to say, sorry for your loss. Thank you. I know you're aware of, unfortunately. I am aware now. Okay. So we were told that you wanted to speak to us and we're more than happy to...

Well, I just have questions. I mean, listen, we're divorced. You know, it's civil. It was fine. It is what it is. But, you know, I know he did this. Like, I know he did this on purpose. Like, I don't, that poor cop, I feel for him.

For the love of God, I want to give him a giant hub because he's going to have to live with whatever happened, which I don't know what happened, but I'm assuming whatever happened happened. And I just, I just, if you can tell him that for real, like, I'm very sorry. Yeah, I'll definitely communicate that. If you don't mind, Ms. Bergo,

do you mind if I go through some things? Can I just get your date of birth? Okay. And what's your current address? So I just want to get some background and then I appreciate your honesty and talking to us. Look at you, whatever you want.

So when did you guys get married or when did you guys meet back then? Oh, my God. We were together in 2002. That's when we got together, but we didn't get married until 2012 when my son was three. We're supposed to get married prior to that,

but I called it off because he had like a nervous breakdown and tried to kill himself. What year was that? 2012 19 I just about 2010

August of 2010 I was supposed to get married and I called it off we did wine lip getting married though but you know Kate look back on the past

you know what's uh so we attempted suicide you said how do you try that uh I can't

there's so many times I can't even he slit his wrists he I mean he tried to hurt himself a million times he's trying to drink himself to death um i mean i'll be honest drugs were never his thing but in like the last couple of months i would think that that is a thing um i mean i have video of him telling me like a recording of him telling me he's a drug addict now like he was

okay so she just said their recording of him being a drug addict sorry i was talking over that but in in the last couple months does she at any point to because i don't know if we'll get to it on the actual call, does she address whether or not she had gone to the courts to seek full custody of her kids? No, she never mentioned, from my understanding, he had, they shared custody or she had visitations because at one point in the video she does say, and it was just that prior weekend. So this happened early Tuesday morning. She spoke with him on Monday. But she dropped her son off that Friday he had a sleepover to that Saturday.

and she picked him up for soccer. But she talks about he sounds, you know, he sounded very different than his normal himself. She said he wasn't right in his head. She said that the son and her had code words. So whenever he was there, if something happened, they would have different code words, whether so she would know to come and get him and or if she needed to bring the police. Like via text or something like that? Yeah, be a text.

Next, he was unstable. Because that's, okay, so there, she's aware, she's got a system and place with his son and everything and obviously it is his father and she's civil with him and had a good relationship but it is also not her fault that he has some demons and issues i just you know and by the way just so for the record the attorney general has everything that we're presenting to you this is all part of discovery yeah they have these statements um which is why they did not charge salvator yeah it's a while because you know for multiple reasons they didn't charge him but they have all this but they didn't present any of this to the grand jury of

I mean, you play the first 30 seconds of that phone call. And I have to say, I give her a lot of credit because she did the right thing. Yes. She did what she was supposed to do. She knew that he was unstable. He was suicidal. And, you know, you can't do it yourself. So what's the best way to do it, right?

Suicide by police, which happens a lot. So I understand that this is the father of her son and like she gets along with him and everything. I am, as a side note, I am a little surprised that her. knowing stuff like this, at least in the months leading up to what ended up happening, that she didn't, instead of just having code words with her kids, she didn't try to like take full custody. I mean, who am I to judge that situation? But that's, that's a tough spot to be in. Well, then she did turn around in sue civilly and was awarded money. That's a whole other. Yeah. What do you mean? She, once the Alvitzor was indicted, they had a civil suit. She filed a civil suit. She filed a civil suit.

in behalf of her son for wrongful death. Against sale. Against sale in the township. And she was awarded, I think, $450,000 a year ago, January. No fault. They considered it no fault. And when they heard that we had this, they were like, oh, my gosh, how long have you had this? I'm like, well, the question is, why didn't you have it?

Why didn't your lawyers go out and do this? But this is just a small drop in a bucket that money. attorney said we were paying more in the attorney fees than what the civil suit was worth. Right. So. Let's keep this going. Messed up, obviously. That he's a drug addict and he's dealing drugs and this and that, which I don't really think he was.

He was just a mess. But he, you know, he got a DUI. He was in Camden coming from Camden. Like, I mean, yes. His whole family will tell you he had a drinking problem, which he did. But it's not just drinking. He definitely was doing drugs. Yeah, so you guys were kind of putting two and two together.

Yeah, I can only imagine, honestly. I mean, I could give you my own personal theory, but it's awful. Yeah, I'm sorry they had to go through that. So when did you guys get divorced? We got divorced four years ago this week. Oh, wow. But, I mean, I had to ask him to leave because he was drunk all the time, and I would come home, and he'd be passed out on the front of the front of.

on I had a three-year-olds. You know what I mean? I was like a four-year-olds. I couldn't have that. So, I mean, I gave him a place to live and just, I don't know. And then, like, his dad got real sick and died. And after that, he really hasn't been the same, to be honest with you. Whether his father passed away?

Two years ago, and then his mom died a year later. So that didn't help. And, you know, I know you guys are talking to his sister. They're vultures. Like, they're, I mean, he doesn't. just got an inheritance from his mom a lot of money. And listen, I don't care about the money, but it's

my son's money. It's not theirs. Yeah. Yep. Does he have any other children? No, he doesn't even know what to say. He's like, yep. He's kind of sending me. And your son, Lizard, you? Obviously, yes. Honestly, I have a notebook of like, from 2015 until now of like every time that I

know that he was in rehab, I can't imagine how many times other that I don't even know about. But last year, a little from February to December between hospital detox and rehab, it was 21 times from February to December last year. Oh, wow. What do you think

so so from 2002 to basically 2010 about things were going well, what do you think trip that, you know, alarm that Bayam, you know? Depression. Like when, after I had the baby, like he

got really depressed. And I was away for the weekend with my son and he called me and told me he heard himself. we weren't married yet and so I left not even a year old with my parents and I flew home I was in the Poconos I have a home my parents I don't have my parents have a home in the Poconos

and I drove home I mean I called his friend and he came here because I was three hours away and he told me it was like a crime scene and that I said just put just wrap his wrist put him in the hospital and take him to the hospital that's what I got to do just drop him off And I said, and I said, none of that. And I said, do not.

Because back then Kennedy had a detox and a, and it's like, or I mean, I know Underwood or Spear or whatever had it been, but like he had been in and out of there several times that, like, I was like, he needs to go there. So he drove him there. And then came home and, like, cleaned up my whole house. But when I got home, like, I mean, I had to throw out on my carpets. Like, it was bad. Oh, wow.

When, um, real quick before I forget, what's your son's name? Yeah. When was the last time you actually spoke to him directly over the phone or in person? In person on Friday when he was here and I talked to him all weekend. My son actually slept there on Friday because he's been doing okay. Had I, you know, whatever, because he can't really drive. I mean, he had a DUI, so he has the machine in his car. So he came and got him.

All right. So a lot of details there. I'm like surprised with this phone call. Because like, again, in criminal court, you have to. to prove beyond a reasonable doubt. My friend Mike Speer, if you ever see the billboards in Philly, Rand Speer and Mike Speer. So he's always like in civil court, all I got to do is just push my finger a little bit on one side and they can find it however they want. But I'm surprised with something like this existing. I don't know if that was brought up in civil court. Like, I'm shocked.

No, they didn't. They just, they just decided. Yeah. And that is. And that's what we're finding. Like, we're looking around and I'm like, what about this? What about this? And then And the lawyers, and we love our lawyer. And he'll say things like, well, that's what trial is for. I'm like, well, why do we have to go to trial if we can prove, you know, beyond a reasonable doubt right now that this happened. So we had tried to file motion for dismissal in December 2023 based on no prima facie, right? There's, he followed.

There was no violation of policy procedure. And when we went to that hearing, the judge basically said, nope, you're not going to be allowed to argue this, this and this, you can argue this. And I said to the lawyer, because I don't want to argue that. That's not going to get this case thrown out. It's, I think it's all political. You know, who wants to throw out a case where a police officer killed somebody because then, I mean, I'm assuming this is just my opinion. I don't know the reason. So it was a different, it was a different attorney general in 2023 when they filed the charges than it had been in 2020. In 2021, it was the Gruber-Gruel. Okay. And who was the AG in 2023?

23 was Matt Plankton came in. All right. So was your son given a heads up that the grand jury was even happening? He was. They were told that it was finally coming to the grand jury, but not to worry because people have spoken and they've all talked about this. And they said this case was not indictable, that this was just going through like a plenary, just going through the motions to present it and that they had nothing to worry about. Did he, I mean, I definitely would have been.

Was he like, well, what the fuck? They already cleared me two years ago. Oh, he, listen, he, this has been a nightmare. Yeah. Because, you know, even he went back to work, but he still, you know, no police officer wants to take somebody's life. That affects them wholeheartedly. And it be so young when that happened.

That affected him tremendously. Did he have PTSD from it? I'm sure he did. But he still was able to function to get up and do his job. and still do everything he needed to do. Did you see a therapist as well? He had to go through all that clearance before they were. He was able to go back to work.

Got it. He was able to go back to work and do all that. So, you know, it did. It weighed on him. You know, my son is a very kind-hearted person. Now, he's a police officer and he does his job, but he's not one, he's not, excuse my language, an asshole. He's not like, he's not one of those asshole cops, right?

And, you know, people may beg to differ. My son did his job. People didn't like that he did his job. He did his job. He didn't shy away from a situation like, oh, I'm not going to do that. You know, he wasn't a wuss. He did what he had to do, what he had to do to protect the community. He would take guns off of people.

He's been in situations where he's had to remove guns or people have had guns. He's never withdrewing his gun on. And he never had to fire. No, he never had a fire. So this was the first time. And he worked in Camden where all that stuff was going on. So had he had to draw his weapon sometimes in Camden? I'm not really sure.

I don't know. I'm sure. I'm sure he drew his weapon in Mantua. But he never had to shoot it. No. I never felt threatened enough we're hitting. Right. That's, you know, oh, that's their tool.

People talk about police. Well, that's their tool. They have a gun for a reason. Right. And it takes, it's longer time for action than it is reaction, right? So a lot of officers have their guns out ready to go because by the time they get in and reach it, you're dead. And you could talk to many families who've lost their police officer family and friends because they didn't act quick enough or something happened quicker than they could react.

So, you know, I guess it's better to be judged by 12 than, you know, carried by 6, you know. So, you know, I mean, it's awful for either way that we have to go through this. But now we have a new attorney general in place. We're hearing wonderful things about her. We, we, our lawyer has submitted paperwork to have her to look at this case. So we're hoping she will look at this case, look at the details, and she will follow the rule of law because there's nothing criminal here. He did not break any laws. Before we get there, though, even. It's been, what, over three years? It'll be three years next month, May 20th. Since he was first charged after the grand jury said, yeah, you can bring charges. He was charged with second degree reckless manslaughter. Is that right? One count. Yeah. So there's first degree homicide, second degree homicide, third degree homicide, first degree,

manslaughter, second degree manslaughter, third degree manslaughter. This is reckless manslaughter. What's the difference? Like, what's the... It doesn't even fit. It doesn't even... This is, oh, while we're charging with this, reckless manslaughter. What was reckless about the job?

Tell me what was reckless. He followed the policy and procedure. You're pointing a gun and police. I shoot you. There's nothing reckless about that. I didn't shoot some old lady looking out the door down the street. You know, there's nothing reckless. That was the only thing they could charge him with.

Let's throw this. Let's throw shit at the wall and see what sticks. Did you guys have, like, any conversations? I don't know if you would have been in there. But was there ever any point in the three years since then? Because I want to get to that process where there were hearings. And then there's judges, chambers conversations or something between the previous prosecutors and your lawyer.

And what did they say about this back there? If so. So for three years, this case has been going on. There's been zero movement with this case. And there are chamber meetings all the time and comes out, oh, you know, nothing really significant. Yeah, they had, so I'll take you back. So the day that he was indicted, like I said, we were waiting for the phone call that this was all wrapped up and a nice little bell. because we were getting ready to have the bridal shower

and have him move on with his life. I'm finishing up the day at work and he calls me and he says you have to get home. They just indicted Salvatore. And what month is this? This is May, May 23rd of 2020. I get a call from our parole who's a detective. My brother calls him.

And he says, hey, he said, you know, they just indicted Sal. I said, just indicted him for what? He said, for that shooting. I said, I know the shooting, but I'm saying for what? I don't know I said for doing his fucking job they indict him for doing his job

for somebody pointing a gun at you that's fucking stupid he said well we have two hours to get him to at a prison I was like we had to turn him in he had a turn to the county county jail so we have to go from

so I call her I saw meet you at Salves and I drive over to where he lives and then we have to drive to the lawyer's office talk with the lawyer lawyer he don't know like you know you got indicted we have to see what's going on

and then from there the lawyer has to take him to Camden County jail and to meet with the AG's office so they can walk them in and there's a couple people on the case that originally processed this case three years ago

and said you shouldn't be here right now this is justifiable shooting. He said, but the new AG just has a hard on for police. Progressive left. Okay. So.

So, I mean, from the jump, you have people that are in the system, like in the law enforcement system, literally saying to them openly, like this is crazy. We knew that once after the shooting and we, you know, talked about it. The professional said this was justified. Shoot tragic, but justified. And then they try to slap like four or five detainers on him to try to keep him in jail. How long did he spend time in jail? Oh, thank God only overnight that our lawyer is amazing was able to get him out. But they wanted to keep him in, I think, until like six months.

They wanted to keep him in until like December, right after Christmas. But they would have to put the case on. 180-day rule is called. Right, because that's my other question. There's a constitutional right to a fair, free, and speedy trial. It's been three fucking years. Right. I think it only applies to if they're detaining you so they can drag it on.

So every court hearing, we had our use of force experts ready to go that next year. So they were saying they weren't going to get a use of force. Then we were. Then we weren't. So every court case we go, it's like kicking the can down the lane. And then in October, they said they were going to get one. So from October until last month, when we were of 2025 to just the, this past March, it was postponed several times.

They said, oh, we have a use of force expert now. But meanwhile, our lawyer petitioned to get the mental health records. So that was just granted, thank goodness. So now we don't go back to court until the end of June. Which is to back up basically what the wife said in full detail. Right, because what we're basically saying is he was mentally unstable. We want to be able to have these records if we go to trial this fall to be able to say, this man and here's mentally unstable and here's why so again and i'm just like reviewing what i talked to

jim about with this when i was first talking about this case in detail with him on the phone and we've gone through a lot of it today you have video of the whole thing happening you have a 911 call leading up to it where the guy's describing a play by play that's later proven to be basically a psychosis fantasy that's going on you have the wife immediately asking to talk to detectives and saying i know he did this suicide by cop here's his full history of drug use that's recent but alcohol use for a long time rehabs committing suicide or having suicide attempts over the years you also have again the video the body cam footage of the actual shoot where you can see here on the picture that he's armed with the gun right in front of them I also love your little dummy picture right yeah that's because they that's how people low ready

it's called low ready like these are real scenes that we don't make this up he never possessed the gun never held the gun, never pointed a gun. That's what their expert saying. Right. This is their fake narrative. So you also have a two-week full two-week investigation after that where they go through the process. They determine the attorney general's office determines there's nothing here. And then obviously there's a grand jury two years later, new AG's trying to take a look at it. And they go, you know what? There's something here. I mean, again, I told Jim on the phone once we went through it, I was like, this seems pretty. pretty fucking black and white. We've heard that a lot of time from a lot of experts and a lot of people. We've made a lot of nice contacts. And they say like there's there's gray areas in some shootings. You know, there's the black, the white, and the gray.

This is not, there's no gray area here. This is not opinion. These aren't our opinions. He's our son. We love him. We always support him. We feel he did the right thing. But these aren't our opinions.

We have the evidence, the facts, the law. the laws, the policies, the procedures, and the Attorney General's office has it as well. So this is just, you know, a malicious prosecution, you know, a frivolous indictment. And we're left holding the shit for three years now where it's affected. No income, right? No insurance. We have to pay out of pocket. We're all working to help.

He's got little children. And, you know, it's affecting a whole family. the in-laws, my parents, my mother, my brother, everybody's affected by this. It's just, my friends, it's just tragic. It's devastating that this is all he ever wanted to do. And now he's being sidelined from doing it and over pure malicious prosecution. Does he still, after all these years are going through this now and sitting basically in limbo, which I can't imagine. Like, That's insane to me. We don't, I don't know.

We've had some conversations like, what am I going to do now? This and that. And I said, you know what? Our focus is to get you cleared first. Right. Because if we don't get you cleared, all of our lives are over, right? We have to get you cleared. And then when you get cleared, we'll figure out the next steps.

We can't go through this again. I can't have him in a situation where he second guesses himself, doesn't want to shoot if he needs to. and then kills him. You know, he gets killed. We, I, this is, this is just right. This case was such a slam dunk and so, like, bad. He would already have been to trial. Yeah.

And, you know, whatever happened. I mean, the O.J. Simpson trial was already done before this case was done. You know what I mean? He wouldn't have been able to go back to work. That's what people don't understand. They wouldn't have put him back to work. He would have been suspended with pay until investigation, blah, blah, blah,

or suspended without pay until the investigation is complete. But when you have a liaison from the Attorney General's office basically saying, we went over the evidence, you know, this is what we found. Yes, it has to go in front of a grand jury. And I kept saying to my son, this Salvatur, please. They see all this. Who's going to indict you? What right person in their mind?

But again, not knowing they didn't present this. They didn't. They didn't present it. Drew, has this effected at all like seeing this happen? happened later or two, like two years later, suddenly gets indicted. Has this, like, given you any previous thoughts that, or thoughts that you wouldn't have previously, like, second guessing how you do the job, like, in a paranoid way or are you business?

No, I guess what. You hone that skill set and you just do your job, man. That kind of is. You can't. This is just all bullshit, you know? That's all it. It's all smoking mirrors what they're trying to do. Yeah.

I can't stop you from doing your job, you know? That's all. You want to do your job and that's it. Yeah. So this latest hearing that was supposed to be in March got postponed. And now it's in June. So it was postponed in, we were supposed to go back. Beginning of February, it got postponed.

The end of February, it got postponed. Beginning of March, end of March. And then it happened, I think, the first week in April. Yeah. By the way, who was April Fool's Day? April 1st. Because I remember saying this is a big joke. Oh, wow.

This whole situation is a big joke. Sometimes you've got to laugh at life even in the darkest moments. Right. I mean, you have to. That's annoying. Well said. The AG office, the new one that brought this, where did it? It didn't, it wasn't like the AG one day looked at the case and said, let me bring this one.

Someone brought it to her. Who again brought it to her? The new AG that just came in January. No, no, I'm sorry, the old one. I'm not really sure who brought it to him. It was just that time where it was still on the day. to fund the police movement. And I guess when it was his time to come up to the grand jury,

they just figured like, and it's not just his case. There's a few other cases in New Jersey. I don't think the investigators investigate it, and they bring it to the prosecutors and say, yeah, there's no bill on this case. Right. This case is justified, and we don't have anything. I mean, our opinion, we think the attorney general had a hand in this.

I mean, he's the one you go through through all of this. he gets the final say or she gets the final say. So I don't really know the inner workings of what, how that works. But if you have the New Jersey State shooting response team who investigates your shootings and they feel that this is a justified shoot, why is that not good enough? You took it out of the local hands of the prosecutor for transparency. You have your own people investigating these shootings. Now there's a few other cases that are pending where this is the same thing, where they're, you know, the man was on drugs, died of a drug overdose, and they're, you know, we're going to go after the cops. Well, so my son was reckless, but wasn't Mr. Sharp reckless for

doing all those drugs and drinking alcohol and going outside with a weapon? You know police are pulling up. You don't come outside with the weapon. Wasn't the 911 operator? Wasn't he reckless because he never relate to the police, the homeowner had a gun. There's a lot of recklessness. Oh, what I didn't think of that. Right. There's a lot of recklessness going on. None of it was on my son.

My son did his job. He did what he was trained to do. Right. If you don't think that that's true, then I invite people to go into these simulations where they have to do these, carry these scenarios out. Ride with the police. Ride with them in these cities and in these towns where one minute, you know, you're stopping traffic and, you know, at a stop like that's broken.

And in the next minute, you have to worry about, you know, do I shoot or do I be shot? And I'm saving somebody's life. You see these camera, body cam footage all the time where you can watch. And police officers pulling up to the side of the road. They're pulling up to a car to give them a ticket. They're being shot right out the window. Like, we need to start showing more of that side of policing to show what these police officers do instead of picking in on these little things. Oh, this is corrupt.

Well, that's corrupt. Handle the corruption. This is not, we're not talking about corruption here. These are officers doing their job every day, and especially my son, did his job and now is being maliciously prosecuted. He's losing everything because these people want to push a narrative. And that's why he's got two young kids. Two young kids, wife. I mean, God bless them, you know, and he's got to keep living.

I say, you have to live every day. You have to go on with your life and you have to plan because God's going to take care of this. And mommy and daddy are going to take care of this because we're not going to stop talking. We're going to put the evidence out there so that people see. So hence the new administration coming in. When did they come in? January? January. And what's the process there?

So you have a new AG. Do you guys get to call up and request a meeting? Like what do you even do? The new AG comes in January 20th. I guess they must go through their hearings to get confirmed. Confirmed. Well, our lawyer did send information over. But all the whole baggage that the previous administration didn't handle.

She has to handle. dumps on her desk or his desk. And they have to go through. Have your lawyers had any conversations directly with her? Or is it more with the prosecutors that now work for her? Not that we know. Not that we know of. But we do know that our lawyer did send information over to her requesting her to look at this case.

And we're hoping that she will because she's, I believe, her and her husband are former DEA. They're from the law enforcement background. We hear wonderful things about her. she's a, you know, police friendly. And hopefully she'll be the voice of reason. Yeah. That's what we're hoping. Hopefully she follows the law, because if you follow the law, it's pretty clear.

This is a slam dunk. Yes. Right. You just, well, look at this. I mean, it's not pleasant that she had, that it falls on her to say this, you know, we need to throw this out or we need to proceed. But, I mean, this is where we are. Where we are there.

Yeah, Placton had a personal agenda to go after police officers. And none of his cases ever went to court because they were either. dismissed or thrown out prior to trial because they lacked evidence or they withheld evidence purposely right yeah so I think I think if you if you're proven to withhold that if it's provable that you withhold evidence you should face charges for that it's funny that you should bring that up because this is what started us on this movement so he was indicted May of 2023 and then March of 2024 we start getting articles be bopping around that the head of the OPI, which is the Office of Public Integrity and Accountability,

the head Tom Eicher is stepping down as he's stepping down, so-called retiring. All this information is swirling around. All these rumors are, well, I want to say they're rumors because they were published, right? Of the corruption and all these cases. In the office that brought us? Yep. Prosecutorial misconduct withholding evidence. And I said to my husband, oh, my God, this is what they're doing, exactly what they did,

the Salvatore. Thief, what do you got here? So. Yeah, I just found this. article from Patterson in July 24? Judge tosses indictment against Patterson cop accused of shooting unarmed man. New evidence could bolster officers claim. All right, let's read this real fast. So is this the same office, Steve, that we're talking about? Oh, yeah. Yes. Okay. So a judge told the attorney general's office during Monday hearing that it must provide a detailed explanation of why it's only

recently discovered new evidence in a case filed nearly 18 months ago against a Patterson cop accused to shooting an unarmed man. Superior Court Judge Marilyn Clark said the new evidence, including photos showing the shooting victim holding a gun hours or a day before the shooting necessitates dismissal the indictment against the officer. Jerry Moravec, Clark, who tossed the indictment Monday, said the state has a legal responsibility to deliver the new evidence to Moravec's attorney Charles Shiarra. Clark also ordered the state to let Shiarra know by November 1st, whether plans to drop the case or present it again to another grand jury by December 1st, Assistant Attorney General Nicholas Corman said the state intends to continue its investigation

to the shooting, including by issuing new subpoenas and conducting more interviews. The state alleges Patterson. All right, so this explains the whole scenario. Corman told Clark that around June 20th this year, he received two photos that appeared to show Cooper had a gun the morning or the night of the shooting. The attorneys did not otherwise describe the photos in court on Monday. The photos were not presented to the grand jury that indicted more of that. Corman said, he was He would have presented them if he had known he existed. Was he running the case, though? He knew.

He knew. If you're the head of, you have to know. If I'm the attorney on the case, I'm looking at all the evidence. You know, I'm not going to say, hey, you know what? Here's these two photos. And I'm going to purposely withhold them because I don't have a case, but I'm going to charge this officer anyway. Yeah, this is, by the way, this is something.

And I mentioned the scenario earlier about Tuesdays in November. But this is something in society we have to look at because we have created a system that rewards winning at all costs. When the people, when you're a defense attorney, your job is to win it all costs because you're putting the Constitution of people's rights to attest. And people don't like that when it's a really nasty case, but that is what the Constitution says. When you're the prosecutor, it's like a higher standard in the sense that you need to be able, like one innocent man in jail is worse than 100 guilty men left on the street or whatever the quote is, something like that. And when you see scenarios like this, it's clear that they want a result. But it's not like the result. They want a specific result.

So if I'm not mistaken this article that you found, I think I read something about this. Does it go in to talk about that the general, the New Jersey Attorney General wants to revamp this office of the OPI? Is that what it says as we go down? I've read so many articles. I apologize. I think it talks about that she wants. to revamp the office of the OPIA. Now, Nick Corman, isn't that the one?

He was a supervisor on Sally's case. I think he was a supervisor in Salvatore's case when we first started. And he was removed, I believe, after this came out. We haven't seen him since. We only seen. He used to come together with the other prosecutor. But so is that say he's going to head the new, the head of, is he going to, I think he might be the new head of the OPI right now.

So, okay. The Attorney General's office sees. control the Patterson Police Department in 2023 after years of scandals, Clark Press, Corerman. I don't know if there's anything about that. You could be a different article. But that's interesting that they're looking at that. Yeah.

Well, he could just be a temporary hold. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I mean, and I give her a lot of credit if she's going in to revamp that because there's been a lot of criticism. Like I said, we've written a lot of senators and congresspeople and assembly people, like what's happening and and I know the the OPI has been very big on their list of

um I'd be shot malicious prosecution stays there because but if he was if he was purposely withheld information on a case where an officer could have went to jail for a long time it's nuts and then you know they never get prosecuted he's removed yeah what did eddie say when you first when you first brought him the case when you got connected to him he he he said this reminded him of his case yeah is what it did And when we were on the anti-hero, the boys said, you remind us of Andrea. Andrea took that lead and was fighting for her husband. Eddie, yeah, yeah.

And he says, you remind us a lot of her. And I'm like, well, let's go. Let's, you know, we'll be a team. We'll team up. And I tried for a long time to get a hold of the pipe hitters. And then I was able to, with the Mike Dilks, get in with them, thank goodness. And the same thing. They just could not believe.

that how clear and cut this is and that we're here what are the best ways people can help to try to get you know besides doing the podcast and other podcasts you've been on like anti-hero and stuff like that what's the best way to get attention on this to kind of force the attorney general's office to take some actions hopefully in your direction obviously to see this through hopefully she watches this and sees that you know we are putting our confidence in her that if she is a top head law enforcement officer of the state, will follow the rule of law and do the right thing. I mean, people could write the Attorney General's office.

Do you guys also have some, because you got the Pipe Hitter Foundation where people can donate? People can donate and read about it through the Pipe Hitter Foundation. And we also have Salvatore's Give Send Go, which that those funds go right to him immediately. We'll also put that down below. We appreciate that because, you know, we've had some fundraisers, but, you know, you've raise a few thousand here, a few thousand there, which we're thankful for, but this is three years. Right. Three years without a paycheck, three years without being able to provide for your family and insurance. And he's working over time. And I'm working and his in-laws are all chipping in. And my mom's

chipping like everybody's working to help them because we need to keep his mind, you know, focused on a possible trial. I need to keep him in a good mindset. So, you know, we're open to suggestions if somebody hears this and can help us get a connection to somebody else that's what we we're always hoping as we speak out to all these different podcasts is somebody's going to connect us with somebody else who's going to connect us with somebody else well that that that is that is the hope and i do i really do believe it's possible to through you know being able to put the full story out there presenting the evidence on here as well because it brings it home i was telling you off camera I had a case a few years ago.

We helped out with my friend Tyree Wallace. I had been sitting in prison, life without parole since he was 17. And he was not the, he, first of all, there was all kinds of evidence that he was not at the scene of the robbery that happened where someone died in Philadelphia.

And there was also in court, he was not the trigger man for sure. And yet he was the only person that got life without parole. It was always a fall guy. It was crazy. And so, like literally the trigger man's been free for like 15 years.

So we did a podcast with his attorneys. I'd worked on the case for a while. And it's not like we called the prosecutor's office and said, hey, watch the podcast, but it was funny. It was the worst performing podcast in the algorithm I did that entire fall because it's not like a popular topic of the YouTube album. But the podcast was done right. And when they went to look at this case, the prosecutor said to Tyree's attorneys that

they had seen the full podcast and said, we really got to do something here. And today, Tyree's been free for you. year and a half. That's awesome. Well, the podcasts are the movement forward because the independent journalist like Nick Shirley, right, they're the ones that are going in and revealing all this fraud and uncovering all the stuff where the mainstream media, six ABC news, they just push the narratives of what they're being told. There's no more investigative journalism, right? It's, this is what this is what I'm being told to say and I'm going to say it. And just like, like they did when they announced that he was going to be after he was locked up.

Oh, you know, people called 911 to ask for help and not in return get shot and killed basically. When they lied about the whole story, they didn't put it out. So now you're painting this narrative to try this in the media, right, and all the comments, all that officer should fry. And you don't even know the case. You don't even know what you're talking about. You don't know the laws, the procedures. We've learned them.

I mean, I didn't know them all. We had to learn them. And what you're doing is bringing out the real truth that the regular TV show or the news media, they don't want to show that because then that would show that this officer is innocent and we want to paint the picture of bad officers, you know, or whatever their target is this week, you know. So we, that's always our goal, is that somebody sees this, makes a connection and says, let me look at this.

We need help, right? We need the backing of you and other people to come to our aid to say, this is wrong. Right. We need to get back to standards in America and, you know, unpleasant or pleasant. This is right and this is wrong. We need to get back to that. Well, I know it's your son. It's the most personal thing ever, but obviously you guys are pretty amazing support system for him and the whole family and coming out and doing things like these.

We won't stop until we get them clear. Yeah. If I'm ever in trouble, I might give you a call. Yeah. Call me. Pit bulls on steroids. Yeah, something tells me you're over there like, she's got it.

I'm sure we got it figured out. He knows. It's very cool to see that. There's always some sort of, even in the worst situations, there's some silver linings that come out. You see the people who really support you in your life. You see the people who actually want to see justice done in the right way. And then, you know, hopefully you guys can get through this whole nightmare situation right here.

And life can be happy moving forward. That's all we ask for. So everyone out there, we're going to have those two links down below to the Pipeitter Foundation. We can help out with the legal expenses and everything. And then what's it called GivesendGo? He has a Givesend Go. So we'll have that down there below. I'm also going to make sure, let's make sure we do this, Steve.

Put the personal website you guys have for the case as well. I was looking through that. That's really good. And then, you know, if there's ways we can help, you know, to discuss updates in it or whatever as it comes up, I'm happy to do that. I have his Instagram where people. can go and see clips of other podcasts. It's Justice for Corporal Aldrotti 1558 on Instagram. And then I, you know, when any clips you have, I put it up there.

I always try to update so people who are following, you know, can see like, what's happening now? I get emails all the time. What's going on? What's happening now? They can't believe it's three years and we're nowhere. Well, I hope when this is coming out in a few weeks, they've dropped it already. I hear some good things behind the scenes.

That would be beautiful. That would be beautiful. I hope that's the case. and you guys can throw a big party. And we're inviting you guys. You're coming. More canoles for you. He bakes.

You know me. He bakes as well. So he's a SWAT nurse and he bakes. So we'll have all kinds of... Is anything you don't do? I don't know. I just do it all. It just throw them our way.

We'll do it. All right. Well, thank you guys for coming all the way up here to do this. I appreciate. Of course. Thank you. And sending all the best thoughts to the rest of your family and Sal, obviously, as well. If you're watching this, hopefully this is done really soon.

Yeah, I appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you. All right, everybody else, you know what it is. Give it a thought. Get back to me. Peace. Hey guys, if you're not following me on Spotify, please hit that follow button and leave a five-star review. They're both a huge huge help. Thank you.