Julian Dorey Podcast - #435 - BOMBSHELL Epstein Trump Report Proves COVERUP | Julian Dorey

Episode Date: June 13, 2026

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Starting point is 00:00:37 And I'm Joey Dief. How you doing? Dief, I'm fired the fuck up today, bro. I know. This report, which, you know, we overuse this word bombshell all the time. But I know you were sitting there watching me read this and literally like walking around the room. Like, what the fuck every two or three minutes? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:00:55 Absolutely insane, you know. Look, I don't want to be like. Oh, we're living in the end times and all that. That's not what this is. But like the scandalous, I think that's what it. The scandalous nature that we are seeing in a White House that was supposed to be built on being about the people is falling into the same exact traps that previous White House and many governments that are establishment behind closed doors, fuck you, will do what we want, regardless of what you vote for and you're not going to do anything about it. phone into that same trap. I have a lot going on in my mind right now, but populist radical transparency is what built Donald Trump's rise to power. Bureaucratic secrecy is burying it. And there is absolutely
Starting point is 00:01:45 nothing in this article that makes him look good. And right away, some people will righteously say, well, it's a New York Times report. Why should we believe it? And it's a fair question. The New York Times got away from anything that you could even slightly call journalism for many years there. And certainly, I think mainstream media as a whole from the left to right circuit of it has some severe problems with honesty and reporting and that unfortunately persists to this day. That said, I believe this report or at least a large percentage of it because it lines up with every public action that this administration has taken since the Epstein files things. became a very big problem for them back in 2025, and it has obviously continued vociferously,
Starting point is 00:02:33 if that's the correct word to use there, into this year. That's why I report, why I believe this report. It's not because I want to believe it. I believe it because it makes sense. Like, Dief, when I was flying home the other day from Italy, we'll talk about that later. We had a great trip, but unfortunately there's some bigger things to talk about right now. A fish to fry. Yeah, bigger fish to fry. We will talk about it, though. Good time. But when I was flying home, I watched Chernobyl, the mini-series from 2019, which fucking amazing. So if you've never seen that. And that's a story that kind of gets lost in history, the 1986 Chernobyl disaster and what happened there and what could have happened, that they
Starting point is 00:03:12 were able to end up preventing out in what was the Soviet Union at the time, like seeing a spread to all other kinds of countries with radiation because basically a nuclear reactor had blown up due to massive incompetence and everything. But, when you watch that series, the very first scene in the series, so this is not a spoiler alert, shows the main character who is, I forget his name, Lemsoff or something like that, ending his life a couple years after the disaster. And then the entire miniseries covers everything that went up to that. And I liken what we are seeing with this report to that kind of narrative in the sense that
Starting point is 00:03:54 we have watched the disaster play out, the PR disaster to say nothing of the fact that the underlying story here is one of the most disgusting things of all time. We have watched that play out on a public scale for the last effectively like almost two years, year and a half. And when you now see the story that built up to that being told from the inside of how we got here, same vibe, same thing, it all lines up. Hey guys, if you're not following me on Spotify, please hit that follow button and leave a five-star review. They're both a huge, huge help. Thank you. So, by the way, before I start this, this is another article that makes me feel fucking amazing about my longstanding refusal to have any politicians on my show. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:04:49 And I'll be very interesting. to see how Joe Rogan, if he does respond to this article, does, because it's not his fault that he's in it. But the way that these people, as in this administration, talk about Joe Rogan and podcasters in general. There's a quote in there. We'll get to that where they talk about, like, all podcasters. Like, I think they say something like the podcasters are rebelling against us. As if, like, the entire fucking space reports to them. What does that sound like? That sounds just like the mainstream media reporting to Democratic administrations in the past. which is fucking crazy to think about.
Starting point is 00:05:24 Speak for yourself. I know I don't respond to what the fuck they do and I know a lot of people in the industry don't as well but in their delusional mind that's how they look at it. But on Joe Rogan you will see throughout this report as we go through all the many, many tidbits in here today, you will see how they are constantly in the middle of these insane discussions that literally happen in the White House situation room.
Starting point is 00:05:46 Defe, they're going into the place, as the New York Times put it, They're going into the place where like the bin Laden raid was watched to discuss like Rape Island. Yeah. Like that's fucking nuts in and of itself. But they're in the situation room going through all these optics and PR Jiu-Jitsu that they can do to like find a way around this and not have any blame and like, avert the crisis and make sure people don't care and move on to the next news story. Which by the way, all the conspiracy theorists are right about that, how they clearly are just trying to change the news cycle all the time.
Starting point is 00:06:18 I've talked about that a million times. Fucking everybody on the internet talks about that and they're correct to do so. But like, they'll be talking about all these things and then all of a sudden one of them, J.D. Vance will be like, yeah, no, I can go on Joe Rogan and talk about it. All right, yeah, so if we roll this out, I'll go on Joe Rogan and talk about it. As if you can just fucking call him up and walk in there, which does not speak for Joe Rogan. As far as I know, Todd Blanche never went on there. J.D. Vance, I think, did go on another time.
Starting point is 00:06:43 Can we check when in 2025 he went on there to see if it lines up. up and maybe it didn't i don't know um october 31st twenty 24 yeah but did he go on again that was right before the election did he go on again that's what i want to know i don't know if he did no just okay so he never did so what i hope is the case here is that they asked for it they literally did ask for that kind of stuff at some point and he told them to fuck off i'll be very curious to see what Joe's thought on that. That is, obviously, Rogan had a good record with like someone, fucking Lawrence Krauss trying to get Epstein on his show back in 2017 and he told him the fuck off. That was, I think, in the Epstein files that we literally saw that. So that'll be nice to
Starting point is 00:07:32 see if that's what it was. But they just, they treat him like this little toy that's in their back pocket that they can use. And obviously they didn't end up doing that, which is the good news. but it's just disgusting to me. It's like they're treating the new media like their fixer. Yeah, it's some Soviet shit. It's Soviet shit. Absolutely. It was Soviet shit when CNN was doing it with fucking Biden.
Starting point is 00:07:59 It's Soviet shit when these guys think they can do it with independent media. You're going to get a fucking slam door in your face here. I can tell you that. But I just, this is exactly why I, I guess. don't want these fucking people around. There was a term, I hope I'm remembering it, right? It's been a while, but when I worked in finance, there was a term related to the investment bank versus the investing sides of the business on Wall Street to where the investment bankers who would underwrite deals privately before they came public could not talk to the people who invest money
Starting point is 00:08:38 in markets. And it was, I believe it was called a Chinese wall. And the whole point of it, was to prevent insider trading and prevent crime from happening, which obviously sometimes that still fucking happens. But the idea is that this is – those people don't sit near those people. They don't talk. There's no communication, no nothing. That's how it probably should be. Like, I'm open to changing my opinion on that.
Starting point is 00:09:02 But when you read stories like this, it just underscores that that's how it should probably be in this fucking industry too. Unless you are going to be aggressive and do the gotcha. shit, which is not what I do. I'm not into that. I'm sorry. Unless you're going to do that with someone and hold their feet to the fire and, you know, as a politician and like pound them on every single thing they've said, you know, I get, that's probably fine. But if that's not what you do, that's not what you do in a three hour conversation talking with someone like a human being. It doesn't mean you don't challenge them, but you're not, I'm not there like trying to catch them
Starting point is 00:09:39 on to this or catch them on that. You know, I just don't think it's conducive. to being able to do this job because you also, I've talked about this before in the past, but you also put yourself in a position to where when you sit down with someone, especially for a few hours, you know, you like them. They're trying to show you their good side.
Starting point is 00:10:04 It doesn't mean you always like them, but like they can kind of be on their best behavior with a lot of things and try to get you in a position to where it's like, all right, we're friends now. So you're not, you know what I mean? Yeah. Well, I was going to say, too, not to put the cart before the horse because we'll go over it. But it's kind of funny now how you think about 60 minutes is eyeing up Rogan for that position.
Starting point is 00:10:26 Is that real? Yeah, I think so. Is he actually considering that? I don't know if he's considering it. It's 60 minutes that they're highly considering him. 60 minutes run by Barry Weiss. Yeah. And so that's why talking about all this.
Starting point is 00:10:40 I'm like, oh, that's convenient. Yeah. why would Barry Weiss want to get, like it. Well, because then it's state-run media. They can't fuck with the Joe Rogan experience, but they can fuck with 60 minutes. And if they have their guy in there for messaging, I don't know, again, cart before the horse. That would be so pure spec. You know, pure spec.
Starting point is 00:11:02 That would be so off-brand for him to do that in the most unnecessary thing ever. He needs much. Joe Rogan needs money like he has a six hole in his head. and I've never talked to the guy in my life I don't know him I know a lot of people who do they all love them like he's made
Starting point is 00:11:19 he's made it this far in his life by being a conversationalist and like killing that industry yeah so now you're gonna go into it and talk to the fucking 75 year old boomers at home like oh this is that Joe Rogan kid
Starting point is 00:11:36 my grandson used to tell me about like what the fuck yeah it doesn't it doesn't make sense No, it doesn't add up. It's just very strange. But there were, I was, I sat here and there were some early words, like themes that came to mind as I was reading through this article. BetMGM, an official sports betting partner of the National Hockey League, has everything you need for 2026 Stanley Cup playoff action.
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Starting point is 00:13:40 gambling or someone close to you, please contact Connects Ontario at 1866-531-260 to speak to an advisor, free of charge. BetMGM operates pursuant to an operating agreement with Eye Gaming Ontario. I literally wrote them down because it's like, it's kind of, it felt like it just captured what this was. But number one is boomers. You're going to see that. There are boomers in the situation room who are so divorced from the reality.
Starting point is 00:14:10 of anyone who is below the age of 55, you know, who is effectively the current part of this country and the future of this country. And their complete, they're complete like disaster of understanding how that entire block thinks and assuming that what the boomers think is what's going to happen here or how things should be is just completely wrong. Number two, was deflection. This entire saga that has happened here was all of them worried about deflection. They weren't worried about the truth. They weren't worried about following up on a campaign promise that they had made. They were worried about how can we get this story off of us so that it doesn't damage us because this is not politically helpful. That's not okay on a story like this, to be clear.
Starting point is 00:15:19 But it's especially not okay when you literally campaigned on it and went out of your way to say, yeah, we're going to do transparency, release the Epstein files, we got nothing to hide. Well, it sounds like you do. Another thing that came to mind was get out of jail free. They were constantly trying to find doors to get out of this, which is very similar to deflection. But when you see the scenarios that my favorite guy, Todd Blanche, pure scumbag, pure spec, but Pierce gone back. When you see all the different doors that he would start to, I don't know, pictures he would start to paint that were behind all these different doors of directions this thing could go and how they could get around this.
Starting point is 00:15:58 It, you just get a real, what's the, like, like a, like this shiver kind of runs down your spun. You get the ick. Does Todd Blanche have kids? Can we Google it? Let's find out. Let's find out. I want to find that out. I really dislike this man.
Starting point is 00:16:15 This is a very not good person. He's got two. He's got two kids. Yeah. Okay. Todd Blanche ain't fucking watching this, but if he was, I would ask him to put his own children in the shoes of the children that he has to read about in these files that he then lies about and obfuscates. Also, can we Google, has an attorney general ever previously been a personal attorney for the sitting president who high? them. I don't know the answer that. Maybe that's happened. But we're talking about a guy,
Starting point is 00:16:53 Todd Blanche, who was a personal attorney to Donald Trump, who is now about to be confirmed as, he's the acting attorney general, about to be confirmed as the attorney general. And this story also shows, it actually, and you know, I'm not a fan of Pam Bondi, but like when she had testified that Todd Blanche was actually kind of running a lot of the show here, this story, I don't want to say explicitly says that but it kind of paints a picture like she wasn't kidding like he was she's the figurehead he's a little bit more power behind the scenes looks like this is a precedent so this has happened that's why i didn't want to go all the way in on this but in the past just to be clear notable examples of a president hiring a former personal attorney including john mitchell
Starting point is 00:17:39 include john mitchell in 1969 who's hired by president richard nixon robert f kenton Kennedy in 1961, who obviously, I can't believe I didn't remember that one, obviously would have been a personal attorney to his brother in the past. And Eric Holder, who had been a close ally and served as the senior legal advisor and vetting committee member for Obama's 2008 presidential campaign. Now, Eric Holder was a disaster in a terrible attorney general in fucking every way. But that's not necessarily a personal attorney right there. I like this last point it makes, though. Unlike previous appointments of close confidants and campaign advisors, Todd Blanche's nomination stands out because he represented Donald Trump
Starting point is 00:18:23 in active, highly publicized criminal trials before transitioning to... So that's never happened before? That's a new one. Okay, so that is an... That's a new one. That part's a new one, the criminal part. And I've even defended Donald Trump for a lot of the bullshit criminal trials that were brought against them, and I will still say that to this day.
Starting point is 00:18:41 whether or not this case is causing a whole new problems, it doesn't change the fact that there has been a lot of bullshit thrown his way, including by places like the New York Times in the past. The same New York Times that like in 2014 is putting out stories talking about what a disaster Ukraine is and how corrupt it is. And in 2022, talking about how it's a beacon for democracy and the greatest example in the Western world of like a good country and good government. Like, get the fuck out of here. Right. That doesn't change these facts. All these things can be true at the same time. But the journalist on this story, D.
Starting point is 00:19:15 It's Maggie Haberman. And who's the other one? Jonathan Swan. Jonathan Swan wrote it. Yeah. Okay. So these guys, they're also currently writing a book, I believe, on this whole thing. And part of this story that came out is maybe like a preview or some sort of excerpt
Starting point is 00:19:34 from what is going to be in that book. But it does read like a novel. and our story essentially starts on July 17th, 2025, effectively a couple weeks after, actually like the second Epstein disaster of the administration. The first Epstein disaster was Friday, June 5th or 6th, whatever that was. Tuesday was the 10th, 9th, 8th, 7th. So that was Friday, June 6th when Elon tweeted out the Trump is in the Epstein files or whatever. and you and I were sitting here, like, reacting to that after that. Which now, if you, like, ask Grock if that exists, you have to really hammer the fucking question to get it to say, yeah.
Starting point is 00:20:15 Really? Oh, yeah. You want to try that live? Yeah, I'll try it right now. But that's something I was seeing, like, a couple months ago. And I'm like, of course. Of course. Unless it, Grock's listening to us right now.
Starting point is 00:20:25 Let's see. Maybe he'll answer right away now. This is my first time ever firing up Grock. I just want everyone to know that. Seriously. Then how do you know he was obfuscating? From tweets. Oh, tweets.
Starting point is 00:20:38 Yeah, yeah. And then people would reply and ask Rock, you know. Yeah. So I guess we'll ask Grock. Did Elon Musk ever tweet a mention that President Trump, oops, President Trump is in the Epstein files? Let's see, Grock. Thinking about your request, searching on X?
Starting point is 00:21:03 No, Elon Musk is not. He's the president Trump is in the... Bro! Yo, that's crazy, dog. Bro! Crazy. Crazy. Elon has repeatedly pushed for full release of the Epstein files
Starting point is 00:21:20 and prosecution of clients involved in sex trafficking, but he has not made the specific claim in the question. If new posts appear, they would show up in updated X searches, but as of now, no such tweet exists. Hold on, what was the date again? It was Friday, June 6th, 2025. Didn't he tweet it on... And later delete it.
Starting point is 00:21:41 Friday, June 6th, 2025, and then later delete it? All right, Grock. Let's see, Grod. Let's see you, Grod. Let's see, Glock. Yes, Elon Musk did post and then delete a tweet claiming... See what I mean? Like, you gotta play baseball.
Starting point is 00:22:00 You gotta play baseball with him to get him to say it. But don't worry, we need all the data centers. We need all these companies to come in and make sure they're processing all of our thoughts and minds and spirits and hopes and dreams through their AI overlords forever and ever amen. You know, it's just the jokes, the jokes fucking right themselves. But I was going through different themes I had here. Another theme I had that's not like a one worder, but they were constantly seeking to as a deflection, again on that theme. blame the same court system that failed them in the past, but unlike in the past when it failed them where they were rooting for it to not fail them, this time they were implicitly rooting for it to fail them and saying, oh, look, the Democratic appointees strike again. They just want to hide behind the same old fucking greatest hits of whatever they're saying.
Starting point is 00:23:00 And finally, you know, at this part I'm going to hold off because it's actually in there and it's so fucking good. but Susie Wiles is a disaster. Like a complete, a complete disaster, and she's got to be what? Like 80? How old is she? Let's see. Let's get a, let's get a exact. She's up there.
Starting point is 00:23:23 Well, what do you mean? Well, she's 69. All right. She looks, 69 and 80 is the same fucking thing to me. I was going to say, I'm like, man, we really threw some on for that one. Same generational problem. The years weren't nice to her, but she comes across, and, and there's, and there's, There's been a lot of stories about her in the past being like a real bulldog closing off all the doors around Trump and like the one person who can kind of get some control of some things in there around him because obviously he's always been very off the cuff and everything.
Starting point is 00:23:56 But again, all of these meetings are occurring. I'm starting with the first one here in the situation room July 17th, 2025. All them are occurring without Donald Trump president. these are all with just like his entire team. We'll get into the characters and players and everything. But in that first meeting, to go back to that point after that tangent right there, and that first meeting on July 17, 2025, so we can go to the beginning of the article deep here. There's a clear separation that occurs where you have the people who even if publicly they were saying something different, get it.
Starting point is 00:24:36 and the people who don't. And this is where the boomers theme comes in. The people who get it are J.D. Vance, who's terminally online, and Cash Patel, who's been terminally online before he was, you know, a sell out of his FBI director. And also Dan Bonjino, more on him later.
Starting point is 00:24:55 Something happened to fucking damn. This, this report, I've said that many times before. This report, I was sitting there like, they got him. Somebody got him. Somebody fucking got him. that dude but the people who actually understand the younger generations knew this was bad they knew
Starting point is 00:25:14 it was a disaster and as we can see with how things played out they were overruled by the boomers slash the people who aren't online you know Todd blanche's of the world who don't have a fucking clue and that is mistake number one here but i'm going to read on this part of the article right down so 10 days earlier the justice department the FBI had jointly released a that bluntly stated that their review had found no client list of powerful men for whom the notorious pedo Jeffrey Epstein had allegedly procured underage girls and young women. Intended to put to rest years of speculation and end the pressure campaign to release the voluminous material in the department's possession, the memo instead had the opposite effect,
Starting point is 00:25:55 setting off a backlash that was notably loud among the MAGA base. And it was about to get worse. The Wall Street Journal was preparing a damaging article about Trump's relationship with Epstein. The president's desperate attempts to kill the story had failed. His team now had to get everyone onto the same page about how to counter the growing swarm of attention. They needed a gesture of transparency to appease an increasingly angry base, but also a way to convey the message that the president was sympathetic to his supporters' concerns, which itself was a problem because he clearly wasn't. Again, all they're worried about is the messaging here. There's nowhere where you see the word the truth.
Starting point is 00:26:28 Justice. Justice. Absolutely. There's no word where you don't even see victims. Such scumbags, dude. Vice President J.D. Van. Van. took a seat at the head of the table in the John F. Kennedy Conference Room of the Situation Room Complex. This is a huge problem, he told the group, a rate around where the White House Chief of Staff, Susie Wiles, the White House Counsel David Warrington, the press secretary
Starting point is 00:26:48 Caroline Levitt, the Deputy Chief of Staff, Taylor Budowich, the Communications Director Stephen Stephen, Stephen Chung, the Deputy Attorney General, Todd Blanche, the Associate Attorney Attorney General Stephen Stanley Woodward Jr., and the Deputy Chief of Staff James Blair. Attorney General Pam Bondi and FBI Director Cash Patel joined on speakerphone, which is some of the best. That's one of the most symbolic things we've ever seen. They had to join on speaker fun. I was like, yeah, sometimes just turn the volume down a couple times. When they don't want them to hear something, they just speak a little quieter at the edge of the room. And Cash is like, are you guys over there? I can't hear you too well. The vice president appeared panicked to
Starting point is 00:27:27 others in the room about the way the subject of Epstein was already dividing the Maga Coalition. Before I go on, this was another huge issue with this story. The New York Times keeps referring to this. And I think this is actually kind of a mistake in their phraseology with how they're reporting on this actually, as good of a story as this seems to be. They keep on referring to just like the MAGA base and Trump's base, half the country. And they're completely ignoring the other half of the country that's comprised of liberals, apolitical people that don't vote either way and everything in between where all those people
Starting point is 00:28:04 fucking care about the story. that's half my audience. You know what I mean? And y'all are watching this right now. So the way that it's just about like how do we appease our base or that's all they were talking about. This is a public relations disaster all the way around, perhaps with the exception, again, of the boomers who are stuck on the news where they control the narrative and we're shit
Starting point is 00:28:24 like this is not talked about. Anyway, Vice President Peer Panicked, as I said, to others in the room about the way the subject of Epstein was already dividing the MAGA coalition, some senior. officials had the impression, this is one of the best sentences in the whole article. 100%. Some senior officials had the impression that Vance had bought into the darkest theories about Epstein and a cabal of predators hidden within the country's ruling class, which guess what? There are none of them. In fact, every bit of these files has proven that there is not one pedophile that exists in this country, let alone in the elite classes who would never, ever,
Starting point is 00:29:02 do such a thing as harm and innocent child. I mean, Dief, we've gone through jmail.world. They're never talking about anything that could possibly be a reduction in the life of any kid or any person who's trafficked whatsoever, because they're above that. Why would they do that ever in this world? Why would these darkest theories ever be something that the vice fucking president of the United States would buy into? I don't know!
Starting point is 00:29:29 Maybe because he's got two eyeballs in a fucking brain! Yeah, it sounds like a bunch of liberal bullshit. It is absolutely I just, I want to frame that sentence on my wall. Some senior officials, emphasis on the word senior. I'm going to call them senior fucking citizens who are asleep at the wheel.
Starting point is 00:29:52 Some senior officials had the impression that Vance had bought into the darkest theories about Epstein and a cabal of predators hidden within the country's ruling class the second best sentence is what comes next. Wiles would tell others that the vice president had proved himself to be a major conspiracy test. Oh my God, he thinks that bad things happen, and that would never happen in the United States of America. Susie Wiles, who also advised for a short time on Benjamin Netanyahu's 2020 re-election campaign.
Starting point is 00:30:27 And obviously, his files don't involve Israel or anything like that at all. So, you know, she would never never be obfuscating because of that. But can we actually look up the term conspiracy, deef? Let's start there. I'm going to do a little drill here. I haven't thought about this. Let's do a drill. Let's see if
Starting point is 00:30:45 if this helps me with what I'm thinking in my head. A conspiracy is a secret plan or agreement between two or more people to commit an illegal, harmful, or subversive acts such as fraud, treason, or corruption in both the Merriam-Webster Dictionary and the Legal Information Institute of Cornell Law School. So it's Ivy League.
Starting point is 00:31:01 approved, it is formally defined as an agreement along with an intent to achieve the unlawful goal, often requiring an overt act in furtherance of the plot. So, fair to say, that means some level of secrecy to obfuscate something illegal. I feel like that stuff happens, yeah. Yeah, that makes sense. Bernie Madoff. Just stuff. Yeah, it's just, it's gone. People conspire. Yes. Yeah. It's all gone. Yeah. It's like, where's the South Park scene? Where's my money? And it's gone. It's all got. Now can we look up. conspiracy theory definition a conspiracy theory is an explanation of an event or situation that cites a covert often sinister group of powerful people working in secret to achieve a malevolent
Starting point is 00:31:43 goal these theories typically reject the mainstream official consensus because they're the mainstream official consensus because they're on the payroll listen but deep whether they're on the payroll or not the money doesn't matter now they're always right they're never missed they are that's why we listen to them that's why we listen to them theories are typically reject the mainstream official consensus and are more likely to gain widespread traction during periods of social anxiety, uncertainty, or crisis. Which I'll, that's actually... That's fair that they will gain, you know, more... But that's the write-off sentence.
Starting point is 00:32:19 That's the sentence they slip into the definition to just write it off completely. To write it off, but you're anxious. You're anxious, why? Because a conspiracy theory got us here in the fucking first place, because it was. was proven right, which we see again and again and again and again. Now can we type in, wait, the adoption of conspiratorial thinking often serves as a coping mechanism. This is just a coping mechanism. Yeah, we're just coping here. We're really upset about all the rape and, you know, the island and, you know, the eugenics and, you know, the working for international banking families,
Starting point is 00:32:58 you know, the actual people that run the world that are way above the elected president and things like that. We're really upset about just the little copelers threatening Saddam Hussein to get a bomb up his ass according to John Curioca. Like, we're just upset about this stuff because none of it's real, but we've just told ourselves. We got to cope. That's fucking. All right, what's the next one?
Starting point is 00:33:19 The last one, I've never Googled this before, so I don't know what's going to come up. Can you type in conspiracy reality definition? It goes right to conspiracy theory. Yeah, type in the definition now. Rees knows a thing or two about great combinations. Chocolate and peanut butter, obviously. But there's more than one way to Rees's. From indulgent Reese's big cups with caramel
Starting point is 00:33:47 to crunchy Reese's pieces and Reese's miniatures, there's a delicious Rees for every mood. It's the same combo you love, just with more ways to enjoy it. So whether you're snacking, sharing, or just treating yourself, nothing else is Rees's. Only thing that pops up, prove my point. The only thing pops up is conspiracy theory.
Starting point is 00:34:09 So, again, we've talked at length. Many people have talked about it at length before. That the term was basically astroturfed post-JFK assassination. Because, you know, we can't have people talking about that one right there. You got to cope. To basically cope, as Joey Deef says, but also put a scarlet letter on anyone who would dare question the narrative. Right? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:34:35 And so there's never been a place to where when conspiracy theories are not only proven right, but later admitted by the people who did them, which we have plenty of examples where that's happened before. There's never a third tranche that says conspiracy reality or something like that. And that's just the first term I could think of right there. That's because they don't want that to exist. And again, I said it at the beginning. Donald Trump rose to prominence on the radical population. list transparency, picking up the phone and tweeting to everyone, basically wearing a GoPro on his forehead and tweeting about his day and telling you everything that was happening, including
Starting point is 00:35:16 some stuff where you're like, oh, maybe don't say that one. But like, you appreciated the fact that you at least knew where he stood, whether you hated him or loved him. That was one thing you had to give him. And it has now de-evolutionized, not a word, but you know what I mean, into the complete opposite. He has become the very thing he campaigned against. At the very least, he has hired people around him who have decided to make that the case. That said, you're also going to see in this report, as we've already seen by his public truth social posts over the last year and a half, he's very much in favor of fucking pushing this one away and not having any transparency. And Defe and I were talking about this before. Because I've always
Starting point is 00:36:03 said, I'm going to go where the evidence is, and I've now repeatedly said that Donald Trump has behaved in a way that it is impossible to not assume he's guilty of something. He has behaved like a guilty client, not an innocent client every step of the way with how he has handled reacting in any way to anything that happens around this case. But we're going to talk about nipplegate in a minute and everything, which is interesting. That said, you know, Andrew Schultz had said when the files, when the second tranche came out, he made a really good point. When he was reading through him, he said, most of the guys who are the rapists and are implicated
Starting point is 00:36:54 in this and are in the circles, regardless of their money and their power, which they no doubt have, they're mostly nerds. He's like, there's not a lot of athletes and celebrities in here. Now, we've seen flights with Kevin Spacey and Chris Tucker and stuff like that. Like, there's some highlights of those things. But, you know, there will be playboys like Bill Clinton who are around, to be clear. But there's a lot of people that it's like, you know, they couldn't get laid with a fistful of pardons in a women's prison. No matter how rich they are and things like that, they just ain't got no game.
Starting point is 00:37:29 And there's something that's fair in that for, 95% of it, I'll say. That's not a problem Donald Trump ever had. Now, that's not to say that that means he wouldn't have been a predator. But I still haven't seen like the, oh my God, here is the absolute evidence that like he's a full-blown pedo rapist or anything like that. I've seen reports from victims many after 2020, which is important to say because that's when the whole story had been mainstream. publicized and unfortunately there is a lot of dog piling on anyone in that situation including even like bill clinton and donald trump's opposite you have to take that into account but like there hasn't
Starting point is 00:38:15 been like the smoking gun on that i'm open to finding that smoking gun and drilling you know the the truth out there to the public if we find it that said you know if i were a betting man and that's all i can go off of right now and i and you held a gun to my head and said what What is Donald Trump so afraid of people seeing in these files? And this is just a guess is pure, pure spec. The purest of pure spec. My guess is that Jeffrey Epstein did in fact introduce Melania Trump to Donald Trump. And that also would have been, by the way, in the 1999 to 2001 time period where a lot
Starting point is 00:39:03 of files are missing. I think that is what happened, if I were guessing. Pure spec. Don't know that, got no proof of it. But I think that's why he's probably done this. And I say that because there is evidence dating back to 2004, 2006, 2007 with Brad Edwards, 2015 when he went out of his way to talk about Epstein on networks with people while was first running for office. There is a lot of evidence along the way that Donald Trump was at the very least strongly distancing himself from Epstein and openly calling the guy a pervert.
Starting point is 00:39:46 That doesn't mean it's not projection. It doesn't mean that he's not just trying to distance himself to get out in front of it as very smart PR because he was doing the same shit. That's very possible. I'm working on possibilities here. And that is what it is. We also do have in the files it was in this story that one of the things that the aides, found out is that Donald Trump had taken allegedly eight, well, I think they said they had proof of it in the story. Between 93 and 96, he had flown on Epstein's jet eight times in January 2024. He claimed publicly that he'd never been on the jet before. And when he flew on the jet, he flew on it with Marla Maples, he flew on it with his family, you know, which is so
Starting point is 00:40:24 interesting too because Donald Trump Jr. spent so many years pounding the pavement on this and is cited in this story as being against the PR campaign. and asking for transparency, at least behind the scenes, but has gone dangerously silent since June 2025 about this issue out of nowhere. But it's like, if the family was on these jets, then Donald Trump Jr. was probably one of them at some point. And you would think that, you know, 2016, 2018, 2019, 2021, 2021, 2022, 23,
Starting point is 00:40:52 when he's tweeting asking for transparency and all this, he knows. And it's not to say a young kid like Donald Trump Jr. did anything wrong there, but like he knows he was on the guy's jet with his dad. With his dad. Like there's just some sort of strange cognitive dissonance that has happened here that has now boomeranged back around. And suddenly people in like the Trump camp are like, oh shit, maybe we didn't think this one through. Yeah, maybe you didn't.
Starting point is 00:41:19 Maybe maybe you didn't. I got to pull this back up, Dief, because we were, we just went through the Vance part and everything. I just had what I did is I put keywords right here in front of me just so because this article is very, long just so Dief can like look up the keyword and we can get right to the point. Can you put in Blanche at the top of the article? All right. So okay, this is exactly what I want. Again, referring to the July 17th, 2025 situation room meeting. Can you go back up, Dief? Sorry, I wanted that first part right there. At this point in the meeting, Blair spoke up. It's right before Blanche. With all due respect, He said the communication strategy of this group got us here.
Starting point is 00:42:07 I don't know that it's going to get us out. And if you're going to go in front of the press, you've got a lot of work to do. He began to ask pointed mock questions demonstrating how difficult a news conference might be. They were afraid of being asked questions about that. Why? If you got nothing to hide, you shouldn't be afraid of it, right? As the president's former defense attorney, Blanche had a unique vantage point on the discussion. He was better equipped than anyone else in the room to weigh the ideas being discussed against Trump's personal.
Starting point is 00:42:34 and political interests. Blanche laid out what he saw as their best options. Option one was to petition the federal district courts in Florida and New York to unseal the grand jury testimonies. The secret transcripts of prosecutors' presentations of witnesses and evidence in their efforts to obtain indictments in past Epstein-related cases. As those were almost certain to contain no new significant information, everyone agreed that this option was a good idea, not only because a release was unlikely to damage the president. Again, all about it. damage control and let me let me say this i understand like i wasn't born yesterday it's not just in politics it's in business anything in p r yes there's always going to be an aspect of damage control
Starting point is 00:43:21 and and how things look versus how they actually are unfortunately doesn't line up you hear me talk about that a lot my issue once again is that at no point where did they ever show any real according to this story, any real interest in the truth, any form of transparency, fulfilling promises to the voters who had elected them, who wanted this stuff out, and people who didn't vote for them who wanted this stuff out as well, or an interest in like justice for the victims. That's not any part of the calculation here. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:43:56 It's just damage control. So under the federal rules, a criminal procedure, the secrecy of grand jury materials is regarded by most federal judges, is almost always inviolate. And the bar for any release is exceptionally high. If the courts refuse to unseal them, as Blanche predicted. So he's predicting, we're going to ask, show this sign to the public. They're going to say no.
Starting point is 00:44:15 He goes, they, meaning the Trump team, could shift the blame for withholding the Epstein material away from the Trump administration and onto the judges. And all the better, all the better, if the judges have been appointed by Democratic presidents. Blanche's suggestion would make it appear that the White House wanted the materials released, when it was almost certain not to happen. Let's keep going right here. I just love this guy. Option two was to have the Justice Department lawyers
Starting point is 00:44:41 questioned Maxwell and publicly released the transcript. A twist on the idea proposed earlier by Vance. Blanche, Donald Trump's former defense attorney, offered to interview Maxwell himself. Now, J.D., I skipped this at the beginning. J.D. Vance, when he was freaking out and being called a conspiracy theorist by Susie Wiles, had floated very, very dangerous
Starting point is 00:45:04 idea, extremely dangerous and irresponsible idea of having Tucker Carlson go to Ghilene Maxwell's prison and interview her on camera. Yeah, that would have been good. Now, we talked about not wanting to use podcasters and stuff like that. I don't like the idea to be very clear of like the vice president calling up anyone, whether it's Tucker Carlson or anyone else and saying, hey, can you go do this for us? It's terrible optics. That does not change. That would have been interesting, though. Yeah, it would have been.
Starting point is 00:45:40 That would have been pretty fucking interesting. So Blanche back here raised the possibility that Maxwell's lawyer might expect something in return for her candor. And I'm going to skip some of this part right here. But basically everyone went around the table and the New York Times was fair to say this, that the options were expressed by one of the people there without opinion. Warrington, the White House counsel. So she went through the available choices without advocating for anyone. So she's just laying out everything for the most extreme scenario, like fucking pardoning her all the way to giving her absolutely nothing and saying, just talk.
Starting point is 00:46:18 Blair was also adamantly opposed to a pardon. We can't offer Gieland Maxwell anything. I don't know why we would. A, I don't know why we would. A and B, if we give Gulen Maxwell any sort of break whatsoever. And then she turns around and says nice things about us or says nice things about us. or says nice things about us and we give her a break, it will undermine the entire point of her saying good things,
Starting point is 00:46:37 which he's absolutely right about. That will feed the conspiracy theory again. He's referring to it as a conspiracy theory. It's not a conspiracy theory. This woman's sex trafficked with Jeffrey Epstein. She was convicted of it and they've sealed all the fucking files. If there's nothing for her to say that hurts us, we shouldn't have to offer her anything.
Starting point is 00:46:53 Now, that's really important because what he's saying is, guys, if Trump did nothing wrong and has nothing to hide, Why should we be worried about it? We should just let her talk. The consensus was that calling for the release of the grand jury material was the best course of action. That's the very next sentence, which tells you they looked at that quote from Blair and everyone looked at each other in the room. And they're like, who's going to say it? Who's going to say it?
Starting point is 00:47:20 Yeah, we'll do the first one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We'll go with the group. We'll go with the grand jury. Wiles told the group she would discuss the matter with Trump and ask if he would send a truth social post calling for the release. Lisa's seal grand jury documents, which he did, and this is where he started, I think he'd already done this, but was referring to it as a democratic hoax and clearly did not want any of it to happen. By the way, I didn't say this, but the whole Wall Street Journal birthday card thing
Starting point is 00:47:48 that was going to come out, that Trump, and they later talk about in the article where he called and screamed at the writer of the article, screamed at Rupert Murdoch, told the writer of the article who was British, that she hates America, and that was the only reason she was writing this and everything. You know, I remind you, the Wall Street Journal is owned by Rupert Murdoch himself, the hardest core right-wing media owner in fucking modern history. And Rupert Murdoch is also one of the two main people, him and Benjamin Netanyahu, who advocated for Donald Trump to fucking bomb Iran, even more than apparently Lindsey Graham and Mark Levin. according to reporting, who were definitely advocating, to be clear. You know, like this is a friendly-ish publication that was publishing this story. But the minute you do a story that he don't like, you're anti-American.
Starting point is 00:48:41 You know my friend? What? Yeah, it's like this is the problem. Donald Trump had every right over the years to criticize the mainstream media when they did lie about him. And you know what? Let's play devil's advocate. it maybe this wasn't true. Maybe it wasn't a lie. What they reported was a birthday card that he signed where he had a drawing of a naked woman
Starting point is 00:49:03 and signed his name where her pubic hairs would be. And they had a picture of it. And he said it's completely fake news. It was at the time where he had not had a falling out with Jeffrey Epstein. It was back in 2003. He was still friends with him at the time, according to every level of reporting. And, you know, now it's a story he doesn't like. So you're anti-American if you publish it and he's going to sue you and all these things.
Starting point is 00:49:24 And it's like you can't have it both ways. right so if it's not true okay it's not a good look to threaten suing people or you know whatever you got to let the free press put out what they put out and let the court of public opinion win on free speech but like again optically very bad they also did refer in this article to another piece of media on our end in independent media which i remember very well which was when trump was doing the podcast circuit in the buildup to the november election in 2024 when he was on election Freedman's podcast, Lex asked him directly about releasing the Epstein files. And I remember, we talked about it at the time, but like, his answer was very like, yeah, no, I'll look at it.
Starting point is 00:50:10 It was very cagey and noncommittal. There was another interview around the same time period, I believe, with Fox News where he was also like, yeah, no, I, I, I think, I think I would do that. again always very nervous around that one always very you know the guy who would always talk about bringing things to the people when you brought up that one it was like uh yeah no we we can talk about that and then he would have bouts of saying yeah i'm gonna release them totally i'm gonna release them again campaigned on it and the people who spoke for him would go on all the networks and stuff and say if you elect president trump he's gonna fucking release the epstein files and all that and give the people what they want so it's approved messaging
Starting point is 00:50:51 and they went against it you also had people like Laura Lumer who had been behind the releases she didn't behind them now Quagmire yeah she yeah fucking quagmire you know
Starting point is 00:51:04 and they the New York Times lays out the binders disaster in here fucking beautifully where they had all the influencers come in apparently Bondi gave all the influencers back in if you remember the pictures of all the right wing
Starting point is 00:51:19 influencers coming out holding up binders and shit gave all the influencers the binders and no one on the staff had like reviewed what was in there so they were frantically looking through to see if trump's name was anywhere and it was on like page four and so they pulled all the influencers into maybe the roosevelt room or one of the rooms and said there was an embargo on them tweeting this out or anything again these are people that are supposed to be independent media the people like jack posobie and people who claim to be like i'm about the truth and shit. Yeah, and fucking like libs of TikTok. Yeah. And they're the same thing as the influencer campaigns that Biden had. We would see all those cringe pictures of Brooklyn Dad and all
Starting point is 00:52:03 these people standing in the White House with thumbs up. It's no different. Birds are the same feather. And so they embargoed the information because that day, Joseph DiPhilippus Keir Starmer was there visiting. And he was going to do a joint press conference in the Oval, I believe, with Donald Trump. And they didn't want it to turn into this whole thing where the media was suddenly asking about why he appeared in these binders they just gave influencers to and embarrass him in front of another world leader can't have that's literally south park it is it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's usually south park is exactly what you say this is straight out of a fucking julia richard rifeas yeah seen in vip for sure so that was also pretty funny bondie just gets
Starting point is 00:52:42 burned apparently they call her blondie behind her back you know i i gave her credit a couple weeks ago credit words do that she you know unless she's trying to pass the buck i said then i would retract that credit but you know she went in there and testified before the house committee that todd blanche was basically in control behind the scenes and this story paints that picture correctly you're not seeing a lot of places where pam bondy again like they had her on fucking speakerphone you're not seen a lot of places where she gets painted as the strategist here it's really Todd Blanche laying it all out and controlling it from behind the scenes. So you have a shadow AG effectively at the time because he's the deputy.
Starting point is 00:53:27 He's not the head. And there's also a part where they talk about the memo that they were going to put out on July 2nd where they're all on this group chain email and Cash Patel ends up supporting it because Cash Patel had a lot of reservations apparently about a bunch of this shit because he had been on independent media for years screaming for the Epstein files released. We ain't got to get them all out. And now he's a part of this memo where they're trying to say, that's it. This is July 2nd, 2025.
Starting point is 00:53:55 Again, news dump right before July 4th, as I've laid out before. But they're just trying to say that's it. There's nothing to see here. Cash Intel just talked to Joe Rogan a month ago. It's fine. He committed suicide. Let's get rid of it. He crushed that episode.
Starting point is 00:54:07 He crushed that episode. Did an amazing. Cash Patel, beautiful job. He demonstrated that he had not only full knowledge of the case, but just an incredible leader just an incredible leader of the FBI someone that we should put all of our faith in I think that was probably his best moment
Starting point is 00:54:26 yeah 100% I remember Tommy GMM getting waterboarded and like literally what in between like takes of you know them like taking a break from fucking killing us we're sitting there and mass just like joking about what what a disaster Cash Patel was yeah and it's only gotten better and better
Starting point is 00:54:43 with it's only gotten better and better with age but Pam Bondi literally wasn't even on that chain. And they say in the story that she rarely used her Justice Department email. That's right there. Yeah. Bondy rarely used her Justice Department email. It was not on the chain where the group worked on the memo. She was aware of both the memo and the release of the prison video,
Starting point is 00:55:04 but not involved in editing the document. Let me put that out there again. The fucking sitting Attorney General of the United States was not involved in releasing a memo, document addressing the biggest scandal in modern political history that directly impacts their administration at all she wasn't even on the email chain classic pan bondi again credit words due her claims from that committee hearing are starting to look pretty fucking good yeah so and blanche hasn't been sworn in yet now he has not been swan at the time of this recording
Starting point is 00:55:38 he has not been sworn in yet blanche also admitted here can you type in Blanche C-SAM yeah so I just saw that before okay let me pull that back it's up a little bit okay here we go yeah now Todd Blanche we've played the tape where he talks about you know there's no videos of of Epstein Mr. Epstein as he calls me make sure he's legally respectful of him you know doing anything untoward, Howard Latinx, you know, with children or anything,
Starting point is 00:56:24 you know, I would tell people that. Now, to be clear, that's technically not what he's referring to here. He's not referring to Epstein being in these videos, but he's very commonly and adamantly referring to it, as you'll hear right here. In June, four months after the circus in the Roosevelt room with the influencers, Bondi and Blanche briefed the president
Starting point is 00:56:40 on the status of the Epstein Review. We've gone through the files, Blanche told Trump. There's not a lot there. Not a lot there, sir. A lot of CP. Obviously, we can't put any of that out. He's correct about that. He should not put it out, but he should talk about how many and give data.
Starting point is 00:56:59 And that's not a lot. There's CP. Yeah, yeah. There's not a lot there, just some CP. Sounds like a lot of something. That sounds like a lot of something. There are some mentions of you, but nothing substantive. Most of Trump's advisors had rejected out of hand the idea of releasing the FBI's
Starting point is 00:57:14 raw interview notes more important they wanted to avoid putting. putting out anything that could damage the president. Again, some Soviet type. You knew before you decided to run for office the first time, but particularly the second time, which is post-Ebstein, you know, air quotes, unaliving himself. Huge air quotes, obviously. That definitely is not what happened. But like, post this becoming a thing, you knew before you ran for office that you
Starting point is 00:57:47 knew this guy. You've talked about it publicly before. You can't now try to act like, no, no, no, we, no, I didn't know him at all. You, you can't do that. You accepted the responsibility of being president knowing full well that people wanted the stuff released and that your name would be around it. You knew it. All right, let's keep going on this. Also, there was another thing about the memo. Nobody wanted to put their name on it. jazzed about that July 2nd news dump memo and so comfortable with its contents that nobody wanted to put their name on it. That's so funny too with this administration. Everybody wants credit with this administration. But not on that. They don't want credit on that. Now let's type in Bonjino.
Starting point is 00:58:43 This guy. Dan Bonino, if you're listening, you're not. But if you're listening, it's nice seeing you slide down the charts. It's starting to get hard to find you down there. But, you know, what happened to you? I never liked you, to be clear. Your worldview and my worldview are two very, very different things. But I at least, and I've said this before,
Starting point is 00:59:04 respected the fact that a lot of people talk about things. And you did, in fact, pick up, leave your multi-million dollar job with, you know, that you created for yourself with your huge podcast audience and all that. And go take around the clock government job that doesn't pay much to try to follow through on some of the things that you wanted to see happen at the FBI. Now, you'd worked at Secret Service and I wasn't really sure your credentials to be the deputy director of FBI, but like, I respected walking the talk, if you will. The hustle. Yeah. You respected the hustle. Yeah. And by the way, what we're about to see with Bongino here in this story, this is right around the time where he did
Starting point is 00:59:48 that famous hostage video, as I've called it in the past with Fox News next to Cash Patel, where he looks like, you know, someone's holding a laser on his head, like they're going to shoot him. But it is so clear behind the scenes that Dan Bonjino had serious problems with, I'm going to speculate pure spec on this part, with some things he had seen with these files and was obviously still loyal to President Trump, which is kind of a separate issue for now. I'll bookmark that aside. But strongly, again, as someone. who was terminally online and knew where people stood felt like this needed to be at least
Starting point is 01:00:29 somewhat released and handled in a completely different manner he obviously had no intellectual respect for pam bondi that's probably fair but i see a bonjino in this story in this july 2025 period that was an entirely different Dan Bongino than we saw in January 2026 when he had left office and came out and became a mouthpiece.
Starting point is 01:00:57 And again, pure spec here. Dan, who called you? Who showed up in the parking garage while you were getting into your car and said, don't turn, don't say anything? Don't even, don't look forward. Look forward. Sit in your fucking seat,
Starting point is 01:01:15 put your keys on the lap. I'm going to sit in the back. backseat, cock sucker. Who did that? What kind of pictures did they have? Were they AI and they just look really good? Were they real? I'll forgive you, I think. Depends what they were. But, you know, who got to you? For weeks, Patel and Bongino going back to the article, the deputy FBI director had grown more infuriated as they realized the scale of the mess for which they were now being blamed. They repeatedly raised alarms internally that the Epstein crisis was gathering momentum with Trump supporters. Bonjino wanted to obey something definitive to the MAGA base as he and Patel had
Starting point is 01:01:51 pushed for the immediate release of the surveillance footage from the federal facility where Epstein was found dead in his cell. Bonino hated the Justice Department's nothing to see here memo being drawn up for public release. He told Patel that he would in no way align with their promises, it would in no way align with their promises of transparency after taking over the FBI and he objected to putting the FBI seal on the letterhead. But he was overruled. Patel privately shared many of Bonino's concerns. But in an internal email on July 2nd, the FBI director gave his support for the memo. Now, let's go down. Spineless, dude. Let's go to the next Bonino. Keep going. Keep going. Keep going. That's Bondi. Bonino told anyone who would, so Wiles Blair and others around Trump had seen him
Starting point is 01:02:42 weather every storm imaginable for years. And in their view, this wasn't a storm. It was passing clouds at most again. Just a complete divorce from reality. Passing clouds and most, just a bunch of kids getting raped on an island by Pettoilele. Jesus Christ. Passing clouds of most, all kinds of intelligence agencies, including our own at CIA, being involved, you know, Massad, all these different places, these fucking banking families that are talking to this guy. Passing cloud. Don't worry about it. Bonjino told anyone who would listen that this was a grave miscalculation. It's not an online story, he told white house advisors you don't understand now let's go to the next bonjino keep going the release of the surveillance video which bonjino and patel had intended as a gesture of transparency
Starting point is 01:03:30 further fueled the fire the department of justice ended up releasing roughly 11 hours of prison video intended to show that nothing nefarious occurred and we've already like literally in the boostamante episode on discovery channel that i did dr g reacts came on and like broke down why the why the person videos is like bullshit and what it doesn't show. But that's neither here nor there. So, it intended to show nothing nefarious occurred, but the footage was missing a minute. A visible time stamp jump from 1158, 58 p.m. to midnight. Bondi initially attributed this to a nightly system reset.
Starting point is 01:04:01 The footage was later restored and release to many of Trump's followers. However, this was yet more evidence of a cover-up. The White House officials complained privately that they hadn't been told about the gap before the release. Social media lit up the blame, not just for Bondi, but for Patel and Bongino, too. I want to get to the part where he talks about where he storms out. So none of the three had ever experienced anger at this volume from Trump's conservative base. It was disorienting especially for Patel and Bongino whose power and influence had been built online. The movement that had treated them as heroes was suddenly turning on them.
Starting point is 01:04:30 The two men were now tightly connected to a memo that stated in black and white that while information in the government's possession showed ample evidence of Epstein's own wrongdoing, there was no evidence of a wider conspiracy. The day the memo was released, Bongino showed up to a daily Justice Department meeting with the FBI staff and the attorney general. He was in a volcanic mood. As soon as he entered the room, he erupted at Bondi, shouting at her, you fucked this whole thing up from the start. The way you've been talking about this, that dumb fucking charade with the Epstein files, that they're on my desk nonsense, all the promises to the folks out there. Patel and Bongino both subsequently told a White House official that Bondi needed to resign.
Starting point is 01:05:09 Two days later on July 9th, the two men were summoned to a meeting with Wiles and Bondi in the Situation Room complex. another situation room meeting that happened before the July 17th one. They're just used in the situation room to talk about fucking rape island left and right. Again, situation room is supposed to be where you talk to the fucking Joint Chiefs of Staffs about who gets bombed today, which, you know, that's a separate argument right there in that whole thing. But like, it's used for military operations. They're using it for rape island.
Starting point is 01:05:35 Just want to reiterate that for like the 10th time. They were the last to enter the small wood panel room, they being Bonchino and Patel. Sitting around the table were Bondi Wiles Blanched. There he is again. And Taylor Budowich, one of Wilde's deputies. The moment Bongino sat down, Wiles told him that she had been informed he leaked the sensitive story about Epstein and Trump to ABC News.
Starting point is 01:05:54 I'll tell you what, Bonjino replied, I'll give you $100,000 cash right now. I'm not kidding. Walk out to WestExact, put that reporter on speaker, and get him to admit I leaked it. $100,000. Wiles snapped back. Well, we all got ourselves into this. Bonino cut her off. No, no, no.
Starting point is 01:06:14 no, no. We didn't get our emphasis on we. It's I tell us. We didn't get ourselves into anything. I warned you guys about this the whole time and you ignore me and exactly what I said was going to happen, happen. And now you're pretending I was in on this. I was never in on this. Bonino's aggressive response to Wiles startled the others. She was the White House chief of staff, essentially a stand in for the president. Wiles put Bongino on the spot. Going forward, she said, we're all in. We're all going to agree to move forward. Are you in or not? No, I'm not. Bonino said, this is not my plan. I'm not a part of this going forward. Forget it. I'm out of here. He then stormed out of the situation room and onto West Executive Avenue where he climbed into the back of Patel's armored SUV and directed
Starting point is 01:07:06 the driver to take him to FBI HQ. Some of Bonino's close friends hoped he would resign right then. An active protest that would have made him a maga martyr and only increased his following. Again, they're looking at optics. That's not all you did. It's also like one of the gay. That's one of the guys things that you're going to. Oh my God. But White House advisors intervened, urging him to stay.
Starting point is 01:07:28 If he quit over Epstein and went public, it could severely damage the president. Bongino told associates he would remain for Trump's sake. Again, he's being loyal to-dlazer. And keep pushing for more Epstein information to be released. Is there more below this? I can't remember. Privately, he seethed. In conversations with confidants,
Starting point is 01:07:48 he lamented what the job had cost him. Millions of dollars in podcast revenue, family time, his audience. He already knew that's interesting. In his head, he knew this was going to cost his audience. The same audience he's claiming to still have all his numbers created.
Starting point is 01:08:04 He was getting torn apart over a strategy he had opposed from the start. Blondie fucked this whole thing up, Bongino. later told a confidant echoing lumer's derisive nickname for the Attorney General. She was the one on TV saying over and over they had all this stuff
Starting point is 01:08:20 there was never anything. Now that's the interesting part. This is later when he's talking about it. He's trying to say there was never anything. So you're saying that this is where I'm going to completely fork in the road tovert from Dan Bongino and say
Starting point is 01:08:36 somebody talked to him in a parking garage before you're saying that. You know, you're telling me that Bondi, who ain't the fucking brightest bulb in the bunch, just made up that all these, she had access to all these tapes. She had access to an Epstein list. She had access to the things, many of the things Epstein had done. Like, it just wasn't real. She just said that. She said that in private conversations that were later leaked. I don't buy it. I don't think she's that smart. She's not that calculated. Sorry.
Starting point is 01:09:13 Bonino complained that, again, he gave it up his high-rated show in millions of dollars, and it's now all disappeared because people think we screwed up something with Epstein. But then he paused and said, this is going to be President Trump's Iran-Contra. It's looking like that. I'd say he might have cooked on that one. But again, like the strange loyalty to a man instead of to the truth is at the heart of this whole thing. Yep. and there's there's a severe
Starting point is 01:09:45 problem with that you know like there's always like people talk about Trump derangement syndrome yes we got to have a new one for like the people who just throat him incessantly like this because like that's crazy Trump throating syndrome yeah maybe that's with TTS T T T T TTS yeah TTS
Starting point is 01:10:05 because Trump derangement syndrome is very real sure but like you know whatever this is Yeah, this is the same thing. It's just so, you know, because that is one thing about Donald Trump's career that's not a compliment to him at all. It's just a fact. This is not a guy who demonstrates long-term loyalty to anyone. No.
Starting point is 01:10:27 I've said it before, but like on the Titanic, he's getting on the boat. All right. He's not saying, you know what? You go save yourselves. That lady with a walker. We should let her get on. He's like, he's like stiff armor. He Billy Zane, he ain't Leo DeKap.
Starting point is 01:10:47 All right, that's, that's the fair way to put it. But there was also an appearance in this article about the now, since the incident, deceased Charlie Kirk, who again, when they're writing the recent modern history about this era, his name does come up time and time again. This is someone who, you know, had a direct line to the White House and sometimes maybe that line wasn't nice to him. On July 12th, the president took to true social to defend Bondi against criticism and to urge his boys and gals to stop wasting time and energy on Jeffrey Epstein.
Starting point is 01:11:27 Somebody that nobody cares about before I go on again. Just talk about losing your... This is like... So, rest and peace to Roy Halliday. Amazing picture, tragic death after his career. but Roy Halliday pitched for the Blue Jays and the Phillies for many years. You'll see where I'm going with this in a second. And he was the best pitcher in baseball.
Starting point is 01:11:51 He could paint the corners. He could drill you with heat. He would go seven innings strong all the time, sometimes complete games, and was just an absolute joy to watch. And I can't remember maybe it was like 2012 into 2013 or 2011 into 2012, but basically suddenly at the end of his career when he was like 34 years old and he had been showing no signs of slowing down. He had a year where he continued to be like the best pitcher in baseball.
Starting point is 01:12:19 And then literally the next year was like he couldn't pitch anymore. His body, he had worked so hard his whole career, but his body just gave out on him. His ERA went from fucking 2.40 to 6.8 and he couldn't pitch. Like he just, father time caught up with him. And he couldn't pitch anymore. Donald Trump is Roy Halliday Whether you loved him or hated him He had PR mastery
Starting point is 01:12:49 So much so that even when he would make a move fast break ship Brutal error he could find his way out of it And talk his way out of it And correct the mistake and gaslight people And pretending he never said something That Donald Trump is gone He does not have a fastball He does not have a change up
Starting point is 01:13:08 He does not have a curve ball there is no slider with any action or juice on the end he throws meatballs and gets taken yard every fucking true social post he puts out sorry not sorry
Starting point is 01:13:24 it's honestly a softball pitch at this point softball pitch underhanded fucking over 50 men's league softball pitch yeah where was I Trump told AIDS he was very unhappy with some of his most influential supporters including Charlie Kirk Tucker Carlson and Megan Kelly all of whom were public
Starting point is 01:13:42 urging the administration to come clean. Kirk had held a TPUSA event the previous day that turned into an Epstein grievance fest with one speaker after another bashing Bondi over her handling of the situation. Trump had called Kirk and scolded him. Nobody in Trump's orbit had a better feel for the younger part of the Maga base than Kirk. This is one day less than two months before, or two days less than two months before Kirk was killed. Kirk, who saw that the Epstein cover-up, as it was now viewed, was capturing attention to an alarming extent. Donald Trump Jr. and J.D. Vance, both of whom spent considerable time on X and were tapped
Starting point is 01:14:21 into the same younger and hyper-online portion of the base, were also worried. They urged the White House to change course and force the Justice Department to release more of the files. Vance made clear to colleagues that he feared losing some of the so-called low-propensity voters, the young men who were not traditional Republicans, but who had voted for the Trump fans ticket in 2024. This was an audience tuned into the quote unquote manosphere, podcasters like Joe Rogan. And it was worrisome that the podcast hosts themselves were now rebelling. Call me a rebel, bitch. I always was and I always will be.
Starting point is 01:14:59 This is ridiculous. And it's also not fair to a lot of these podcasts. I've talked about it before how like I think it's unfair the guys who had him on the show who also offered to have Kamala on and she just refused, get blamed for everything Trump does. It's bullshit. It's bullshit. Now, if people then cover for things later that shouldn't be covered for, well, that's bullshit, too. But the way that he views this, like this is just podcasts or just all one block and you can just
Starting point is 01:15:24 click a button and they'll do what you tell you to do because you're in the fucking white. Fuck you. That's no. No. And again, I'll speak for the people I know in the space that are not like that. and I'm not like that and we're not going to be like that. So if you're planning on turning us into your fucking circa 2020 CNN, find somebody else, pal.
Starting point is 01:15:45 Was there something, can we actually pull up the part? Can you pull up Rogan? So go up to the next one. I'm going to come back to that first one. So the vice president once again, is this so this is the second meaning go up to a little bit here deef
Starting point is 01:16:14 go up so all right this is what I want perfect on August 13th Trump's team met again in the secure complex at 6 p.m. for two hours to refine the Epstein defense strategy again the defense strategy
Starting point is 01:16:28 not the transparency strategy not the let's figure out how to put out the true strategy the defense strategy again the group included Wiles Bondi Blanche Patel Blair, Budowicz, Chung, and Levitt, Vance phoned in for Britain. The vice president once again pushed for the release of as much of the Epstein files as possible. And with an eye on the public messaging, he proposed that he should be the one to appear on
Starting point is 01:16:51 Rogan's influential podcast, as if he could just call him up and say, I'm going to come on here and give the messaging out. Again, he's not speaking for Joe Rogan. This is just how he looks at it, which is why I would love to see Rogan respond to this. Vance had just gotten off the phone with Rogan, and he later told others that Rogan said he wouldn't have Blanche on his show, but he would take Vance, which I didn't see that the first time around. Shout out to Joe because Blanche had suggested earlier that he would just go on Rogan. Because he's so important.
Starting point is 01:17:18 I'll just call up Joe Rogan who he never talked to in his life before and say, hey, buddy, I'm the deputy attorney general. I'm going to come on and talk about Epstein. So I didn't see that part. So we already have some clarification right there. Joe Rogan told Todd Blanche to go fuck himself. But he said he'd have JD on. But he did say he would have J.D. on. So I do want to hear.
Starting point is 01:17:34 Don't like that. I would love to hear. from Rogan, in the interest of transparency here, what the context of that was and how much it's actually being discussed what you're going to talk about and things like that.
Starting point is 01:17:48 Because that matters with a politician. There's other people that aren't in politics and stuff like that where, you know, maybe they don't want to talk about some or something like that. And like I said, I'll speak for myself here like, this ain't a fucking gotcha place. And there's times where I'm like, well, this isn't
Starting point is 01:18:04 not operating in a journalistic capacity. on this fucking podcast about this guy's life story, whoever this is. So if you don't want to talk about that thing, that's absolutely fine. But like when you're talking to the sitting vice president about an ongoing crisis who is suggesting to come on your show to help, I don't know, alleviate the pain of said crisis or get out the message of what the official administration response is. Yeah. You probably got to leave a lot on the table there. Not probably. You really should.
Starting point is 01:18:34 So I'd love some transparency on that right there. it's fine like he knows joe rogan he's been on a show i don't have a problem with him calling him up or whatever i have a problem once again for the fifth time i think today with how they talk about him and that's why i'd love to see joe clarify that all right and that's the other thing man like people people are always talking about online and stuff like oh podcasts are so afraid to criticize Joe Rogan or anything. Joe Rogan's a man. He's mortal. I love the guy. He's a hero of mine. He created the space for what I do. I'm grateful for that forever. But like, he makes mistakes too. And if he does and it's relevant to a story, we'll report on that and call that out.
Starting point is 01:19:18 And there's some things here that I think he absolutely needs to respond to. So if you're watching, Joe, I don't think you do, but. Jamie, let him know. Respond to that. Jamie might actually be watching. Jamie, you're watching. Let him know, Jamie. Jamie. Jamie watches. Never talk to him either, but I'm pretty sure he watched. All right. So what else do we got here, D? I want to make sure we don't miss anything for the people out there.
Starting point is 01:19:39 We got to the second meeting. Blanche wanted to go on Rogan. We did that. Yep. Okay. Blanche ended up talking to Maxwell for two days. This has already been reported. They just repeated it in this story because it is important for the context.
Starting point is 01:19:57 But he talked to her for two days, not on camera. Again, Donald Trump's former personal attorney. And in that time, she said Trump did nothing wrong. yada yada yada dat dat dat dat dat dat dat dat that that and then afterwards she just magically gets moved to a way less you know high security prison minimum security she gets to play with dogs and stuff there too and has all kinds of new privileges which you know i'm sure that's completely unrelated to her testimony where she made sure that the president was not implicated in anything again if you have nothing to hide just interview her and don't promise her anything why do you have to promise her things
Starting point is 01:20:36 And that goes back to, that's why I think it's at least something like that. It could be the worst thing. You have to leave that on the table. Maybe Trump really is a monster. I don't know. Could be. But like it's at least got to be something like he got introduced in a club to Melania by Epstein. It's something like that.
Starting point is 01:20:54 Pure speculation. Again, for any judges watching out there in the future. I'd said that. Pure speculation. I can't prove that. But like I have to say like, what is it? Why are they not being open about this very, very important thing? Now, the other thing in here is the nipplegate thing.
Starting point is 01:21:17 So can we type in nipple? Yeah. Sorry. I mean, don't, I love nipples. I fucking love nipples too, but just not in the context what they're suggesting here. Now, Sarah Ransom, who has been, she's an Epstein victim who has been speaking out for years. She was in the fucking documentary that came at the James Patterson documentary that came out at the very beginning of COVID. Like this is a woman who has been very on it with talking about how she was traffic to Epstein and things she saw.
Starting point is 01:21:51 I don't love how they talked about her here. They talked. You're going to see that they talk about Sarah Ransom like a defense attorney talks about a witness in a. really high profile awful crime case that they have a job to try to destroy right because they're constitutionally obligated to defend their client in court right so think someone who's claiming to be a rape victim or someone whose sister was murdered by a guy and and and she witnessed it and they got to try to make her out to the jury to be unreliable that is how they talk about Sarah Ransom here.
Starting point is 01:22:41 Now, Sarah Ransom, who later sued Epstein and Maxwell, the old Juffrey case, referring to Virginia Roberts Joufrey, the old Joufrey case file included emails sent to a journalist by another Epstein victim, Sarah Ransom, who had later sued Epstein and Maxwell. Epstein had also settled that case. He settled it. In the emails, Ransom claimed that she knew a girl in Epstein's sex trafficking ring named Jen, who said she had sex.
Starting point is 01:23:08 Trump. Ransom also claimed that Jen had told her that Trump had a predilection for nipples and that he had aggressively flicked and sucked hers. Ransom wrote that she had seen evidence when she shared a bathroom with Jen. Quote, they looked incredibly painful as they were red and swollen and I remember wincing when I looked at them, she wrote. Ransom's credibility was not uncomplicated. She had made another claim that she possessed video footage of prominent men having sex with young girls in Epstein's entourage. She later retracted the claims, saying she feared for herself and her family if she proceeded. But after a federal judge ordered the unsealing of some of the Joufrey case files in 2023, the document that connected Trump to the claim that abused about abused
Starting point is 01:23:53 nipples was among the material that came out. It was an unconfirmed allegation and not been made public, but the disclosure led to some articles that were quickly lost in the swirl of election year news. some of Trump's advisors in the situation room had never heard of the nipple claim. Those who seemed to have only had a passing familiarity with it. Many in the room thought this was all just discredited nonsense, but it might not matter. The ransom emails could get new attention if they were included in, quote, a public-facing and searchable, quote, unquote, Epstein Library that carried the branding of the Justice Department. And administration official had already searched for Trump-related materials on the still-private test version of the website that we all now can access as it would later come out. and the nipple material was among the first items to show up.
Starting point is 01:24:36 None of the credibility issues would come into consideration if a government endorsed database gave ransom's claim about Trump a stamp of validity. Quote, this is out there. They're going to make a huge scene of this, even though it's not true, and everybody knows it. Can we get a little more on this? I think they said,
Starting point is 01:24:53 so Blanche argued that the context, the ransom document, and ransoms disavowal of some of her other claims would make clear why the allegations related to Trump had never been pursued for prosecution. Again, he is thinking like a personal defense attorney. This is at the time deputy attorney general of the United States. His job is to look for justice and the truth, not figure out how to discredit things on behalf of the guy that is his boss.
Starting point is 01:25:25 And again, the attorney general, a whole like Chinese wall thing has been destroyed for a long time. I would argue almost every attorney general at least since John Ashcroft back in 2003 has been completely compromised and is not doing the letter of the law job. They really are working for the president who puts them in there. That's not to defend
Starting point is 01:25:45 Blanche, but it is to say, we crossed this Rubicon a while ago. But like, it's just so, like, what she's being discredited for is making a claim that she had a video about something that she retracted because she thought her life was in danger. You don't think any of these fucking girls ever got threatened
Starting point is 01:26:01 because they were giving their story. Do you know what they did to fucking Virginia Roberts, you Frey? So you're just saying that's not possible that she's got, maybe she did make it up. Maybe it's not real. That's possible too. I'll be fair.
Starting point is 01:26:13 But you're saying it's not very possible that she really did get threatened. And she was like, I'm not fucking doing this. That's a bridge too far. You know what? I like my dogs and I like my family and I like my fucking sisters and brothers and I don't want them killed. Yeah. Look how quick the people in the White House flip on.
Starting point is 01:26:31 a dime. Right. So a civilian who does not involved in government, that's not possible that could happen. Come on. Yeah. So that that's what Nipplegate is. And it and like here's the thing also. Of claims that could be made against Trump, not bad. It's not the worst thing ever. I mean, I wouldn't advise to leave bruises on women by any stretch of the imagination. But like we're not talking about like oh in this case you know Donald Trump took a 12 year old girl back there and raped her like that's not what the claim was the claim is just like well you know he's a little bit aggressive with the tithes and he's hanging out with people that might be bringing girls around that don't realize what they're there for which also is not good but like there's what do you
Starting point is 01:27:19 call it thief like legally there's some plausible deniability yeah there's some there's definitely right I'm not saying I'm not saying it's good PR it's not it's not good PR it's not good PR at all. And you hope he wasn't actually knowingly doing stuff completely wrong. But like of all the things to be worried about, this is, I don't think this is top five. If I'm them. Right. Right. Yet they were that concerned about the optics of that. They also noted that there was over 38,000 references to Donald Trump and his or his entities, which would include like Mar-a-Lago and things like that in the files that were that have been released so far the new york times noted that which is quite a lot and all right little bit of credit here at least you put that out so we have 38 000
Starting point is 01:28:11 references to the sitting president in files that his administration did release even if they didn't want to do it they did later do that i'll give him that that's fine but again we're still missing three million files i wonder what references are in there i talked about the planes and then oh oh The best is when these people just revert to like polling, which who the fuck knows who they're polling with? Like they're calling old ladies in the villages in fucking Florida. You know, so I like, I don't know how reliable some of this stuff is. But Tony Fabrizio, one of the president's chief pollsters, did a March 2026 poll because again, that's what they care about. What are the people actually want so that we can deflect from this and prove that they don't really give a shit about this?
Starting point is 01:28:54 where he found that Epstein was actually the sixth most important thing on people's list, which they thought was actually way higher. And they're like, wow, this is a bigger problem than we thought. I would argue it's higher than that for people. The things that were ahead of it are the things that are always like the most important in every election. The economy, inflation, jobs and a couple other things like that, the border. So Epstein was like right in the strike zone of like extremely important things to people. And again, you have this separation of reality from like the boomer class in the Trump administration and what people who are online and actually know what's going on had.
Starting point is 01:29:36 So as far as I know, Dief. Oh, one other thing. James Comer, who's a Republican from Kentucky who's been at the center of a lot of these hearings. Bill Gates was deposed this week. I don't know that we're going to get to that today, but we will next week. you know he was sending out subpoenas that were also backed by a bunch of other Democrats on the committee to get documents but can we actually yeah let me read this part this was good so word we reached the white house in late july meanwhile that a subpoena would soon be coming from the house oversight committee led by james comer a republican from kentucky it had been pushed by committee democrats with the help of some republicans and it compelled the release of the files the justice department had on epstein on The day the Trump team learned about the looming subpoena, another Epstein crisis meeting was convened in the situation room to discuss the pressure coming from Congress. It included most of the same group. Wiles, Vance, Blanche, Warrington, Patel, Bonnie, Blair, Chung, Budowich, and Leavitt. Blair told the group that they would try to make sure that they were cooperating. Try to make sure that they were cooperating fully with the House subpoena. They're going to put their best effort in. Can't guarantee anything. But that the priority was to release information that demonstrated Trump was not involved in the Epstein.
Starting point is 01:30:51 crimes. Blanche gave an assessment of the Epstein material. He had, can we just scroll down deep? He had personally reviewed or been briefed to, including the volume of CP. The conversation turned to how these files should be released to the public. The idea already in the works was to put all Epstein-related material on a website. That way they could overwhelm the Magosphere with far greater volumes of real information in the form of a huge database, i.e. drown some things out in noise. That's how I took that. The website had been easy to build, and they were looking at potentially going live within a week. They'd already accumulated a mountain of material that Blanche had been scrolling through and included piles of documents from both civil and criminal cases. They planned to
Starting point is 01:31:28 release it all. Blanche could then appear on Rogan's podcast to remote the transparent, again, just the assumption he could appear. And Rogan did shut that down. So shout out to Joe. But as it turned out, the searchable website would not go live on their initial timetable, and the version of the site that originally conceived would not be released to the public. Can you type in the word civil, deep because there was a there was a point here with Comer. Okay. Go down go next one. All right, here we go. For a few weeks, they thought they had found a way out, referring to the Trump team, found a way out of the predicament here of releasing the things they promised to release. The subpoena from Comer's committee had specifically requested Justice Department documents, communications with the White House and
Starting point is 01:32:12 material from the Epstein and Maxwell criminal case files, not material from civil litigation. such as the ransom emails. They could comply with the letter of the subpoena, post the Justice Department material to a stripped-down version of the plan website, and leave the rest aside. Civil cases were separate matters outside the remit of the Justice Department. Not a fucking problem. You got to talk to the next department downstairs. They'll fucking deal with it. I'll transfer you right now. Okay. And the subpoena allowed for another escape hatch. The Justice apartment could withhold certain documents as long as it explained to house lawmakers what they were and why they were held back so you know joey dave they're like listen you see this uh shit with evelyn
Starting point is 01:33:00 the raw child talking with uh our boy the head of victoria secret and everything don't worry about can't have it don't you can't you can't have it they're nice people we got it they can't we got it They didn't know how to deal with this. They're like, you know. A lot of people are going to get hurt. You do this. A lot of people are going to get hurt. Suddenly Donald Trump cares about his friends getting hurt.
Starting point is 01:33:25 Yeah, old William Clinton. He's a good guy. Good guy. Come on. Listen, I still like Bill Clinton. You know? And it causes him to turn on the Marjorie Taylor of the world and everything.
Starting point is 01:33:38 But they're trying to keep basically Joey Defe correct me from wrong here I will maybe the overarching theme of this story is self-inflicted wounds
Starting point is 01:33:54 I mean it kind of is they all got involved with somebody like this I would call that a self-inflicted wound you know hey I heard this guy sells Fent I'm gonna start hanging out with him
Starting point is 01:34:13 and then it turns out he killed 20 people with Fent oh well Yeah. I wasn't involved. Well, the article starts with J.D. Vance and he's featured throughout. And I think he's a very symbolic guy in this thing. And that can end up being for all the wrong reasons, which is where it's trending right now. Or it could end up being for the right reasons.
Starting point is 01:34:37 And I'm not going to advise the vice president on what to do. But I am going to paint the picture here of what he potentially faces. And I think a theme for him is which. way, Western man. You know, are you the All Shucks military veteran from the foothills of Ohio? Yep. Who represents and understands the beliefs of the every man and represents them against, as a loyal soldier, against the death star of Epstein's crimes and the people associated with him?
Starting point is 01:35:12 No. or are you going to, I'll say, continue to be a company man? Now, let me, let me. I'm going to go option two, Mr. Dory. Yeah, let me straw man this or whatever the term is for a minute, steel man this. When you do accept the role of being vice president, you are accepting with that job, defending the shield as part of it. And sometimes that's going to mean defending the shield when you don't agree with the policy. point being made.
Starting point is 01:35:54 The fence that officially moves from gray area to black and white does exist at some point there. And it involves things that are like crimes, cover-ups, conspiracies, and some of the very things we're talking about right here. And perhaps, I think this
Starting point is 01:36:13 might even be very fair to say, perhaps J.D. Vance didn't know anything about what we've, Let me just play with this, Steve. I know, but he didn't know anything about the things we have now learned in the Epstein files releases, meaning like before these June and July 2025 meetings and especially before the November 2024 election, he didn't know the extent to which maybe Donald Trump's name might show up in the files or how Donald Trump would actually publicly handle this
Starting point is 01:36:46 and all that. That's fine. At some point, though, he did. And we know he did. he was in these meetings at some point he saw how the president responded to this at some point he saw how there was a total tone shift and fear whether that's fear for himself or fear for his friends don't trump in this case i'll leave that up to you guys to judge but there's fear for something and there is a complete shift in what has been promised and when it involves horrific crimes
Starting point is 01:37:16 from extremely powerful people. Again, which way, Western man? Who are you going to be? Do you represent the every man who sees stuff like this and says, holy shit, it is a fucking, not big club, small club and I'm not in it and they do the worst things in there
Starting point is 01:37:33 and we need to call it out or are you going to be the doorman protecting the people inside? And right now you're the doorman. Right now you're the doorman. I'm not saying that means you go resign again. I'm not here to this way above my pay great. I'm not going to fucking advise the vice president of the United States, like, what to do.
Starting point is 01:37:54 But what I will say is that it's probably not a bad idea. However, this then shakes out in the actions you take as it relates to your job to lean towards the side of the truth. And I think you know a lot more than even we do about maybe where that is. So I just, I think this is one of the most shocking stories I've seen in a while. Again, we'll continue to monitor how proof of all these claims and stuff comes out. So if there are things that are refuted from this that have good evidence to refute it, I'll run that in the future. I can only go off of what we have right now. But like I said at the beginning, you know, similar to the old quote I say of walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, fucks like a duck. It's usually a duck. We've seen how they've played all this out publicly and what
Starting point is 01:38:44 all these people have said and how they've acted as it relates to these files, starting with Donald Trump himself. And it lines up with the story that got us here. So that's, that's why we're where I'm at with this. They're at deep. There's a fuck ton we did not get to today. I know. I know. But we will do a lot of that next week. I don't like to make these longer than like that 90, 95 minute kind of range.
Starting point is 01:39:06 But strange times we're living through. And you kind of, I don't think it's a stretch to say when it comes to like horrific crimes. You got to pick a side on that. That's not a political issue.
Starting point is 01:39:22 And I think we know what side we're on. I think you all out there know what side you're on. And now you've got to see which side the people in power decide to be on and hold them to account when they choose their side. That's why I was going to say, I know it's above your pay grade, but I will advise the vice president. Sir, your ass should resign if you have any semblance of a spine left in you. Resign and fight for truth. But you won't because you're a spineless bitch. Okay.
Starting point is 01:39:51 Well, Joey Dief has made his voice very clear, which is why we love him. We'll talk about our trip to Italy as well next week. It was a lot of fun, obviously. Yeah. I ended up showing up. That was cool. La Dolce Vita. Thanks for let me tag along.
Starting point is 01:40:06 I appreciate it. Fucking pleasure. But many more to come. Absolutely. We'll get to that next week and a bunch of other stuff. That said, give it a thought. Get back to me. Peace.
Starting point is 01:40:14 Peace. What's up, guys? Thanks so much for watching the video. If you have not subscribed, please hit that subscribe button before you leave, as well as leaving the like on the video, it's a huge huge help. You can join my Patreon via the link in the description. And you can also join my clipping community via the Discord link down below. See you for the next episode.

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