Julian Dorey Podcast - #449 - “Extinction!” - #1 Cartel Expert on Mexico Invasion, CJNG, Mormons & Pegasus | Ed Calderon

Episode Date: July 15, 2026

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They were cooking crack in the hotel last night. Sorry about that. They were cooking something. There was a lot of smoke, but it was cool. It was cool. They let you back in your room this morning? Yeah, it got outside with my bare chest, you know. That's great.

I'm sure that was a sight for everyone in Jersey City. I mean, I have a very hairless chest. I have a lot of native brown nipples and hairless chest. That's how you know, I have some native in me. So they got you out that fast. You couldn't even throw a shirt on. You were just like full boxers. I was taking a shower, and then I poked out the room and people were running.

So I was like, maybe this is a real fire. Yeah, they fire trucks and everything. That scared the shit out of me when you sent me that video and you're like, it's all good. It's fine. Normal is a fluid concept for me. Yeah. And that's pretty normal. It's almost like you bring it with you, you know?

It's almost like I have a black cat stuck up my ass. Yeah, something. You're also the only guy that's ever decided to explore around there when I put people up at that hotel. Everyone else just enjoys the hotel and they don't go down the street because there's a lot going on there. But you're like, I love this. It's like Tijuana. Let's go. It is that part of Jersey is very Tijuana-like.

I like it. I like it. Well, it's, we like to be in the shit around here, as they say. And it's great to see you. We had a nice romantic morning together because the calendar was on Pacific Time. So that was nice surprise, get you early. ADHD and all that and brain damage, but I'm here. That was a beautiful day.

Right. Amazing. Like this is, again, for me, this is like an exotic space. Like I'm from Tijuana, you know? Oh, it's exotic around. Yeah. This is exotic to me. That's a first.

That's an exotic in New Jersey. Yeah, I'm from Tijuana. So all this shit is like, fucking bougie and exotic. The Sopranos around here? Like, what? That's right. Yeah, I can take you by all those spots for sure. But you got a good day to see the full skyline, which my friend John Sear who was

weighing in on Instagram, he is wrong. The best view of New York is where I took you, not where he said. Okay. Shout out, John. But, you know. All right. Anyway. But what do you've been up to, man?

It was obviously the last time you were here was a six-hour Odyssey. We did two episodes. Okay. 392 and 393. Yeah. 292 and 293. but obviously a lot's been going on since then. So you've just been bouncing around Mexico?

Bouncing around the U.S. in Mexico. I think last time I was here, I think I ominously said that something was probably going to pop off somewhere in the hills of Halesco. You did. You were cooking. And that was before the El Mancho killing. They took out the head of the new generation cartel. I had a prediction that it was going to be Americans doing that. it wasn't Americans directly.

It was a U.S. drone flying over and confirming the fact that that guy was in a cabin with his girlfriend in Topalpa. That's how the confirm happened. I've heard different stories. And mind you, most of my information, I get, I'm not a cartel reporter. I didn't go to journalism school. I have a lot of friends in weird places. And I have a lot of friends within the special operations community in Mexico. So I got a pretty early notice about what happened.

I can hear different things. One of them was that they tracked a woman that he would frequent. Yes. He was held up in a cabin in a very rural part of Halisco, called the Palpa. It's beautiful. It's like Aspen, Colorado, you know. Yeah.

Only the best for those guys. And at some point a drone flew over his pad, and they were trying to figure out if he was there. if he was there or not. He was pretty good about keeping out of the view of the sky. Like Bin Laden kind of. High walls. Yeah. Hey guys. If you're not following me on Spotify,

please hit that follow button and leave a five-star review. They're both a huge huge help. Thank you. But then they found the woman that he was frequenting and they saw a man coming out of the house out into the view of the sky hugging this woman. And I think that's what probably confirmed where he was.

a few hours later, members of Mexican special operations showed up in bulk. And after a long firefight, they had RPGs on them. They had a bunch of sophisticated firearms. It wasn't enough, though, this time. And he made a run for it for the hills. Some people say he was executed. Some people say he was caught in the firefight that eventually killed him. And after his death, his head of property,

propaganda and communications basically called out every single member of his cartel to go out and burn vehicles across the country and that was that whole like 24-hour period which it was just popping off but then it stopped it was a day right it was a day of them they burned a Costco which is pretty kind of like you know we got enough of those they burnt a Costco uh gas stations that had American ties to them apparently were targeted right um they they I I used to have this map of where they were active, and you can superimpose that old map with where they started burning vehicles, and it's a perfect match, and that is a lot of territory that they are inactive then.

Basically, it's like 60% of Mexico. Why do you think it just, like, stopped on a dime? It felt, as far as, like, burning shit in the street goes, it felt very organized. It was, I mean, it was very organized. The New Generation Cartel has... Basically, it's like a franchise company. It has many people that have these organizations that they then go under the banner of this new generation cartel. And they have been expanding and growing exponentially for years now.

And the head of this cartel, Mentiona was after the arrest, after the abduction of El Maya Sambada, who was historically kind of the biggest fish out there. after he was put on a quick flight to New York, just like Maduro. After he was put on a plane by the son of El Chapo Guzman, one of his sons, figured something out there which kind of tie into what we're going to talk about later as far as all the politicians are currently in hot water in Mexico. You saw this emboldened new generation cartel growing exponentially in Mexico. It's the biggest cartel out there right now. Do we have an idea of like ballpark the size of quote unquote Sicario soldiers? There's no way of counting them realistically.

They don't check in for the... No, but we talk to a few of their soldiers in the past. We've interviewed some of them and they talk about numbers, you know, hundreds in training camps or in holding patterns outside of the cities in the rural areas. So they need to get fed. So there's ledgers of how much people are getting paid, how much people are getting paid, how much much people are getting paid to feed them, house and clothing, equipment. Yes.

You got to keep track of all that. So it's a whole army that they have, basically. They have drone capabilities, anti-aircraft capabilities. They're one of the only confirmed cartels that have been able to take down aircraft from the military. They're taking down military aircrafts? We talked to one kid, I think two years ago, who was a former tank operator, a former monster operator for them, that he would drive around one of those armored. homemade trucks.

And he talked to us about how, what type of capabilities they had. And in a sideline conversation, he talked about how they took one of the mini guns from one of these planes, these helicopters they took down. He was explaining how they took it out. And then we started seeing these, these cars outfitted with these mini guns.

So historically, they, the last major arrest attempt on a mention, was during, they took down a helicopter. When was that? That was probably six years ago. If I remember, that was the last, like, that was the last, like, attempt at trying to grab them and that turned into a prolonged firefight.

There was a federal cop that got, that survived the crash, got horribly burned. He was assassinated later, like, like, two years back. So, like, this is an unforgiving cartel. Clearly. They'll, they'll find you. if you cross them. This figurehead that they had, El Mentiono, was... Wait, why do you call them a figurehead?

Because they change, right? Realistically, when you look at a lot of these cartel organizations, and I think we're actually living through a mass extinction event. This El Chapo figurehead cartel system is, I think it's going away. Cartel mass extinction event. Yeah. You just gave me a good title. That's what's going on probably.

When you see the ways that both the U.S. is putting pressure on politicians that used to protect some of these people to the ways that they make their money and the ways that they have basically roots and family members up here in the States. And the, it's been a long, it's like an open secret that the CIA has operated in Mexico for decades. we're seeing open activity by them now in a lot of ways, or at least they've been revealed in many places in Mexico, including two CIA agents dying after a massive drug laboratory was found. Where was that? I feel like Stefano told us about this. I don't remember in that wrong.

I'm forgetting the state. By the way, I just want to point this out, because you brought this up, Dief got this while you were talking. The Halisco New Generation Cartel gained international attention for the tactic of anti-aircraft, I think is what it is, right? In May 2015, during a coordinated offensive in Halisco, CJNG operatives use a Russian-made rocket-propelled grenade. Yeah.

Good stuff. They found more of those when they got out to them with that. Russian stuff is premium. Yeah. If my cartels have it, that's what I want them to have. Yeah. Russian-Soviet black stuff. It keeps longer.

The issue with an American-made are. of some sort of rocket launcher or a man pad, as they call them, the remote control guided stuff, is they have a shelf life. Expiration date, yeah. But not this Soviet stuff. You can store it, apparently. But when I cut you off, you were citing, like, some of the CIA. There's governor, governess, Madu Campos.

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We don't know if they were caught in a shootout or something of that nature, but there you go. Yeah, Mexican governor says she's being persecuted in her case of two CIA agents killed in drug lab raid. This is from May 27, 2026. Mexican governor of Chihuahua said Wednesday she was being persecuted by the country's ruling party over the case of two U.S. officials who died in April during an unauthorized drug rate in her state. Maria Eugenia Campos from the opposition National Action Party appeared for questioning at the Mexican General Prosecutor's Office of Mexico City regarding the April 19th incident. The two Americans killed in the crash were employees of the Central Intelligence Agency, Las Trace Lettrus.

La Strait Letras, yeah. Multiple people familiar with the matter told CBS News. The CIA declined to comment outside the prosecutor's office. Campos said she was being persecuted with the entire weight of the state apparatus while politicians from the ruling Morana party have absolute impunity. The issue is that she is from the conservative party. They don't like that. They don't like that. That's one issue. The other issue is she's pretty, she's getting charged with treason at some point if they remove her political immunity. Getting charged with treason?

It's a treasonous act, allowing foreign agents to act within your state. Oh, if she, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I'm probably pretty sure that she didn't know what was going on. The CIA has a way of going into places like that and basically through training and consultation. They probably went in through a state police agency into Mexico and they started sharing information and consulting. And then all of a sudden the state cops are working with the CIA. Something of that nature probably happened.

Meaning she would have known that at some point. She probably would have known that later, but I don't think she was informed by it. But the issue is she's of the conservative party. Morena is not the conservative party, although it's full of ex-conservative party members. Why is that? Morena is viewed by many people as a party of the left. But I was in politics for a while when I was during my career, and I recognize every single face that I see in Moena, a lot of them as being former members of the conservative party

because they jump shipped because that's the ruling party right now. so they just switch, they just switch allegiances. The CIA has been revealed to be operating both there, and there was a case of a cartel member, El Pallin, a Cinaloa operative, that was apparently blown up in a weird way after leaving the IFA airport in Mexico City. El Pallin.

El Pallin. How do you spell that? P-A-Y-N. El Pajin. Dave's got it. Alleged Sinaloa cartel operator Francisco El Pajin. Beltram was killed in late March

when his Toyota pickup truck exploded from a car bomb on the Mexico-Pachuja Highway just outside the Aifa Airport on the outskirts, Mexico City. Stefano played this video. The official narrative by the government is that there was a grenade

that they all pulled this pin on this grenade and exploded. I've thrown grenades before. Yeah. And that's not a lot of grenade does realistically. also you can see the cone of explosion just going upwards and having this bubble almost effect on the car. That looks like a targeted explosive charge put in the middle center console.

That's what that looks like. Now, why would they kill this guy? Well, he was a Mayo-aligned figure. The Ceno-Lau Cartel no longer exists as a cohesive structure. It's Los Mayos or the sons of El Mayo Zambada and the people aligned with him on one side. And those chapitos or the,

Chapisa, as they call themselves, on the other side. They are at war, a civil war that started with the abduction of El Maya Sambada, which people say it was the members of El Chapo Guzman's clan taking him to try and barter with his life for their brothers and to get some sort of immunity maybe. This could be possible. That's probably sounds pretty accurate. A few of their family members crossed through San Francisco. into San Diego and are now protected witnesses. But there's two brothers out there still fighting it out for control, La Chapisa, Archivaldo, and his brother. So you're seeing these events in Mexico.

We talk about the CIA operating down there. People talk about invasions. They have in this mind that there's going to be an invasion in Mexico, that there's going to be in Marines showing. up into Durango and going Torobora and some of those high Sierra mountains. If you lined up every single Marine in Pendleton on the border in San Diego, you wouldn't be able to contain the mass of humanity moving through that border. If you do something like you did in Iraq, I mean, there's no way.

It's that much. It would displace many if you would go into an overt invasion like that in Mexico, is my opinion. And also, we're one of your biggest trading partners. And a lot of the infrastructure around northern Mexico is what the United States needs to fulfill its industrial base. It's very complicated. It is shooting yourself in the leg if you attempt something like that. My whole theory was that we're going to see a soft invasion of some sort. Soft invasion.

Influence, you know, pushing things forward in certain ways. A lot of people view this as a, a, war against drugs. We've been in a war against drugs for decades. That's not what this is. I think this is a political war. We've had a bunch of documents declassified around the Kennedy assassination recently. And a lot of them, they reveal how many of the presidents in Mexico were actually CIA-backed and paid operatives. That really didn't make the headlines, but that's very interesting. I mean, when we talk about why Mexico is where it is, yeah, there's a lot of blame to go around. And there's a lot of responsibility within the Mexican political structure about that and is culturally. But the United States

has definitely had a hand in some of these things that have happened down there. Now, when do you think that line of people who were backed by the CIA or people who were, you know, in some way, shape, or form favored by the United States and the United States interest, well, that probably ended with Peña Nieto. The last PRI president we had. What years? I'm going to need some help with the years. He was after Fox, right?

Yeah. After Felipe Calderon, you had Peña Nieto. And after that, you had... 2012 to 2018. And after that, you had a landslide victory by this figure. Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador, Amlo, who started this movement, this Morena party. It's a populist movement like many in South America, openly pro-Maduro, pro-Cuba, you know, pro-everybody that the United States doesn't like, basically.

And in a lot of ways, the Mexican people as a punishment for what they viewed as systemic corruption for decades, which was very real. and is very real still. They decided to vote and punish the political class. And they did so by, in a landside victory, kind of electing Andres Mani Lopez-Obrador. He came in with majorities. So he started passing a lot of sweeping laws

and constitutional amendments. Would you mind just explaining to people out there, especially like all the American listeners who are unfamiliar with how Mexico? goes government works like the chain of command and how votes get passed like how similar it is or dissimilar to america we have a house we have how it represents is we have congress we have majorities super majorities as well and when morena went in they they got a super majority which is still in play meaning that they also do have to put bills through the separate Congress and that has

to get through before it gets the president to be able to sign yeah but a lot of that gets fast track when you have the super majority, which they have now. So when he came in, his antagonistic nature against the United States was very clear. One of the first things he did was kick out the DEA out of Mexico in a lot of ways, or at least hampered their movement. He's very suspicious about U.S. activity within Mexico. And he basically put in his own people in different key places in Mexico to try and, you know, keep the U.S. influence out. That's what you saw. Coincidentally enough, he came in during the first administration, the first Trump administration,

which apparently they had a pretty good relationship. They speak well of each other. Oberdor did. Yeah, Oberdor spoke pretty well of Trump. I don't know if it's out of respect. I like strong men. He's very strong. All of it, all of it, right?

I don't know if it's out of fear or respect, but there was something going on there. Omlo's solution to cartels was, hey, there is no drug war going on. But all these cartels, all these people, it's violence, it's societal violence, all this, but there's no, there is no, I don't know, we're just going to stop thinking about it as a war, and we're going to go, well, Barasos, no balasos, the famous,

hugged over bullets, hugs over bullets. And he went on a campaign and he won, and he won, and you started seeing this, this spring when it came to cartels. I mean, they grew. And specifically, you see the lower cartel. It grew in influence and in power. And the new generation cartel as well.

Both of these kind of in tandem kind of grew with each other as they were warring. But what you saw in that time period was criminal organizations figured out that in a lot of ways they can go into politics themselves. similar phenomenon that happened here in the States where the Moffa got involved in politics and now their unions and their other stuff, you know. Yeah, look what we built. Look at that. Come on. Beautiful.

You saw it. It's beautiful. Beautiful. Yeah, the same thing is happening in place like to loom, I guess. Yeah, let's show them camera five, Steve. That's beauty right there. Built by Lucky Luciano and Friends. But a lot of them went into politics.

And that's why you started seeing this proliferation of assassinations of political candidates. So, like, our cartel Canada is going to win. You're, that's what you saw there. And you saw the election towards the end of his administration of this Rocha Moya character, which is now currently being sought by U.S. authorities under narco-terrorism charges. Yes, this isn't the general, is it? No, the general gave himself up, and he's currently a protected witness of some sort. That's how we like him.

Rubenro Chamoya is a lifelong friend of Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador. This is him. This is him. Looks like a real straight shooter. There was a lot of visits by Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador to the hometown of El Chapo Guzman. He actually, there's a famous video of him shaking hands with a mom and talking to the lawyer of El Chapoosman. Correcting reporters on how he shouldn't be called Lhapua Guzman. They should call him by his Christian name and all that.

It was interesting interactions with him. He might have been just being respectful. But he went there six times or something like that. And Sinaloa was apparently very key for him or important or strategically important for him to visit a lot. And then his best friend and one of his closest associates, Ruma Rocha Moya, gained the governorship of Sinaloa through Morena. And when that happened,

those chapitos were probably involved in his elections. You have a lot of cases of people talking about running against them or political campaigns that were running against them who were, you know, targeted by these cartels, abductions, people being forced to vote for a certain candidate, all that stuff went on there. And those chapels grew during this administration of Andres Manuel Elpice over there. When they caught the son of El Chapo Guzman, who was currently state side under... Which one is that? El raton, the mouse. Ovidio. When they caught him, the first time, because it was two times,

that's when the whole Kuliacanaso thing went off. Yes. The president of Mexico and Dundonropos Obrador, for security reasons, is what he said. For no more bloodshed to happen, he was released, which is the first time that something like that had happened. So he basically ordered the release of this individual. Later on, he was again arrested. A few special forces operators died in his arrest. It was a pretty big firefight.

They finally caught him, and the extradition was almost pretty expedited this time. Now, people look at that event and they wonder if he was, you know, compromised or if he was working on behalf of one side or the other. There's no way of knowing, realistically, but it was very suspicious. This new president comes in. His term ends. He's very loved. He's very loved in Mexico.

Overdoor. Overdore. Very popular. He left with a very high approval rating, still has a very high approval rating. He's like this figure in the background. He's come out publicly two or three times to defend the current president of Mexico and to speak about American interventionism in Mexico and how if he has to, he'll go and fight to defend Mexico.

This is the whole thing with him. He's a figurehead in a lot of ways, political figurehead, high level one. So I think what you're seeing now with the U.S. and how it's kind of trying to navigate this issue with Mexico is, number one, they realize that they don't have a real ally within Mexico as far as this issue. Hmm. Because there's this feeling of, so the current administration under Claudia Seymomb had been supplying the Cubans with oil for a while, right? And that had to stop after the U.S. started putting pressure on Mexico.

to stop that. That was pre-Venezuela. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And she was also importing a bunch of doctors that were working in Mexico from Cuba. There was a lot of... They're always spies. That's, this is exactly what everybody just knows about them.

So there's a lot of that going on. A lot of Russian uptake and people working for their, for their embassy and stuff like that in Mexico. For the embassy? Yeah, there's a lot of embassy workers, a lot of more Russian embassy workers now for. for some reason, which is something they talked about in Congress here in the U.S., I think a general talked about this a while back. But also the U.S. does the same thing. So it's like basically this intelligence front opened up in Mexico.

It turned into that after this past administration. And this administration, things kind of went to where they are. I predicted the fact that Trump was going to probably designate them as terrorists. Yes. And when I did that, people were like kind of mocking. me about that. They don't fit the bill and everything on that. Now we're here. Now, narco-terrorism is being utilized as a broad sort to do a lot of things. So that's actually a great thing to bring up, because I've been wondering this, and I've asked everyone who's on the ground there has come through

here since that designation happened about this. What has tactically happened since then that's in line with us actually treating them like terrorists? I mean, the military is being utilized directly in some of these drug interdiction. operations in Mexico. We have over flying military drones of all kinds, boats sending up aircraft over Mexico. There's a lot of stuff going on.

There's a lot of military. What's what Shinebaum say about this? She's like, oh, this is normal. Basically, you know, you know, this type of, the, the head of security there was talking about there was one, there was like a year ago, this past year, there was a drone flying over Durango,

American drone just like doing circles over Durango. And everybody has flight radar now. they could some people can track some of this type of stuff. So they were like asking like, what's up with this drone? Oh, it's a, it's a government drone by the US. But it's, don't worry about it. You know, it's fine. We know what they're doing here. It's like something civilian. Don't worry about it. So if they, if that government drone hypothetically like sees some guy, let's call him, you know, Juan Carlos and he's like a capo, like someone pretty high up and they're like, oh, there he is outside the bar, chilling. It could just be like,

like, go on. This is, this is what I've seen as far as it's changed. As soon as you start seeing the skies swarm with U.S. assets, which that's what's been happening in the past year. What they were probably doing is mapping out all their communication structure, command structure, supply lines. A lot of it would happen in the Gulf region of the Baja Gulf region, which is interesting because that's Sonora, that's Sinaloa, that's Halisco, that's where all of some of these bigger organizations are based out of. And then after all that intelligence gathering, that's when you started seeing some of these cartel heads fall, right? So it seemed like a preemptive move by the United States because I knew that it was about to kick up beehive, which

that's what the Mexican government views the abduction of El Mayo Sambada as. And they view it as a treasonousine as act. Like they have treason, they want to charge El Chapaguzman's son that participated in this abduction for treason because he abducted somebody for a foreign. government. So they view it as a treason. That's interesting. But was it a U.S. operation to abduct them? I mean, yeah, there was probably some U.S. involvement. Was the Mexican government completely innocent around all this? Well, they acted in a very suspicious way. And again, going back to Rocha Moya, Rocha Moya, the best friend of Andréf Mano Lopez, over there, this political figure behind the scenes of everything down there, he's our Trump in a lot of ways,

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Yes. And you have Rocha Moya, who is the governor of the state, called into a meeting by El Chapo Guzman and El Maya Sambada. El Maya's son in Omaio Sambada. He was, El Maya was going to mediate of some sort of issue that the governor of Rochamoya had with the rector of the university there. Nemesio Quinn. So they were basically gonna, he was gonna be like, you know,

the mediator in this meeting. Well, that didn't happen. They shot the, the governor never showed up. They shot the, the Nemesio Quinn and then put him in a truck. And then the state police tried to make it look like he was going to get robbed at a gas station. And there's a video of this.

All of this shit was fucking fabricated by them. And then it turned out, you know, it was a planned abduction and there was murders and the state government on at the charge of Rubendo Chimoya was hiding a lot of this shit. And now we have this issue where the U.S. is asking for 11 politicians and a few of them have already turned themselves in from Mexico. And Mexico is like saying, Klau Shaman saying like, we need evidence. the same government that extradited like 50 people in the past two years now it needs evidence now they need evidence because it's a sitting political figure

and it's specifically the best friend of our figurehead so that's actually you were talking early on about the Almencho raid and we're jumping in a lot of different things here people will get to a lot of it just there's a lot going on so this is good shit but maybe that's a good spot to ask my shine bomb question because it seems like she has some political power, but then you see what happened with the Almencho thing

where she wasn't even told about it ahead of time. And you're like, if you're not even told about the most important one in criminal in the country being whacked by your own military, how much sway do you even have in your own government? People will argue about that, but let's say, you're Claudezheimer in charge of Mexico and you're like, hey, the military called.

You're like, hey, we're about to take out El Mendo. Did they actually call her as they were doing it? I don't think they did. Right. It doesn't seem like it. So like you would preemptively maybe call off your, you know, she was out and about, you know. Just shopping? Her security profile was pretty low back then.

Now she's now that's gone away, probably. But her security profile was basically she would walk around like outside of this, you know, going back to Amlo. Amlo basically got rid of the Mexican Secret Service, the Staolo Mayor. And he would just walk, he would drive in in a jet. There's videos of him. He would say, the people are my bodyguards. Balls, I guess. But that sounds like a man who's paid off.

Clairley was trying to kind of do the same thing. But after this raid, something changed. She was out and about. There's rumors that she was like evacuated after the event into, like, on a military ship. I think it would probably turn out to be bullshit. but she seemed not the when you saw the mass unrest and burnings and how no preparation was there i mean people were scrambling people were off base people were yeah a lot of the federal police officers that died in that event were killed because they were ambushed by the cartel members looking for

revenge and they would go they would just go after everybody so So it seemed like she had no idea this was coming, which means that the Mexican army is operating in a slightly independent way, maybe. Or they viewed this as a now or never type thing. It's odd. It's very odd. The way it went down is odd. And over and over again, Claudia has seemed to be in the dark about some of the stuff that's going on, you know. When the arrest warrant for all these political figures came down,

she was like, yeah, we know where all of them are. We just need more proof. And all of a sudden, two of them were in the US turning themselves over. She's one of them the general. One of them is the general, the former head of security in that state of Sinaloa, which again, tied to Rocha Moya and was tied to a bunch of other things, member of the military, you know.

All of these characters around this specific Rocha Moya case, are people who facilitated the growth of this organization, the Chapisa, and specifically them solidifying power there. And it seems like a lot of them were also, you know, being funded politically or influentially through this. And all this money has to go somewhere. So political campaigns, enterprises, licenses to build buildings or going to different companies, tequila companies.

He's like all of this. The guy, the, the, there's a video of Claudia Seenbaum next to the municipal president of the town of Tequila, Halisco, who turned out to be a cartel member. I mean, that's how it goes. And she's like, this is our guy here in Halisco. This is the guy we want. And, you know, now he's, now he's in custody, which got good on her that they're arresting people of their own party in that way, but there's more of them. How did they catch him? Mexico has been going through these

swarm operations they have there used to be a federal police and they got rid of it during Andres Mano Lopez Obrador's tenure they basically turned it into a military police which is the National Guard unit guys the guys that are dressed in white

and they put they inserted that into the military so it's like a military policing arm all over the country but before that there was the Mexican federal police and that used to have an intelligence service and investigative service and all this. It's become revived again. A lot of the old school people

that used to work for that institution are now working for the Secretary of Security Public Affairs, the Federal Public Safety Service, secretary. And they're actually doing the jobs that they should have been doing for a long time, probably under a lot of international and political pressure, but they're going town to town and realizing that like, hey, where's the cartel here?

There's no cartel acts. Oh, it's the municipal police or the cartel here. And the municipal president is the cartel guy here. So, like, they're going into towns like that and just arresting some of the mayors of these towns because that's because they won through their connections and money to these cartels. And oddly enough, there are a lot of them are Morena party members. I mean, whether it's Morena or their opposition party or. or anything in between, isn't this story still pretty much

just the same that it's just whack-a-mole over and over again? Like, all right, you got five, well, 10 more sprouted up and we don't know about them yet. One thing I want people to just realize, we say Morena, and we imagine that it's this socialist or like this leftist organization that just popped out of nowhere, and all of its affiliates are like Leninist and communist or something.

That's not the case. At the center of it, there were some people like that. But mostly it's people from other parties saying like, we're not winning in these elections anymore. Let's just flip sides. So you see people, Baja, California is one of these examples. You see the governess of Baja. The husband got investigated for Wachicol, which is basically fuel theft and a few other things. There's a lot of that going on now.

It's another thing that doesn't get talked about that much here in the U.S. there's currently a guy there's a former admiral of the Mexican Navy in custody and I think he's still in Argentina because that's where you go these days

it's an interesting it's an interesting country to be arrested and caught right is all I'm going to say but he's pulling up the Jericho missile map again Las Seiz Let's letters this time

I hope people got that. But he, he, there was this, under the Amlo administration, there was a ginormous operation within the Mexican Navy to steal fuel and relabel it and move it around. And that somebody made bank, somebody who knows who, but somebody made bank. somebody found out within the Marine administration he got immediately and then somebody else got shot at a training event somewhere and then this guy went on the run

and he's just arrested and he was just picked up in out of all places Argentina and the Mexican yeah the Mexican president is asking for him to be handed over so the investigation can continue but this involved a lot of Morena directly active things, right?

Defe just found this. This is what you were talking about. Mexican Navy Rear Admiral Fernando Faris Laguna was arrested in Buenos Aires, Argentina, on an Interpol red notice. He is wanted in Mexico on organized crime and hydrocaution, hydrocarbon trafficking charges related to a massive illegal fuel smuggling network. He is currently in custody pending extradition. He's accused of leading a maritime network known as Wachi.

Chico. Wachico. Wachicol. Sorry. Fuel theft. Smuggled stolen fuel into Mexico, reportedly arranging for dozens of U.S. based ships to deliver over 1.5 million liters of fuel weekly.

Was this the Mormons? Is this that one? Is this part of it? Yeah. So you guys like oils and drugs. You know, that's the two things. And that's, these guys were involved in both of them.

Another thing that doesn't get mentioned there is a lot of these Wachicol networks were actually utilized to also put weaponry into Mexico. A lot of the military-grade stuff you started seeing seeing in Mexico and specifically some of the trading and stuff like that are coming from, you know, people in some African countries are buying weapons legally in Europe through, you know, regular channels, signing them as a legal government purchase and then putting them on a boat that then goes back to Mexico. So that's how you see it, you know?

Well, we're seeing drone warfare in Mexico carried out pretty sophisticatedly. And we're seeing a lot of these Ukrainian train guys coming back and just killing it out there. Oh, the, dude, the mercenaries over in the war. Yeah. You see Kat went and visited some of those guys. Oof. I can't believe how real that is. But it is a school, though. It is a university. And you're seeing the elements of that university in Mexico now. You see stuff like this. That guy was directly involved in all this. And it's an interesting thing that they're not letting go. And it's an interesting place to run to, is all I'm going to say. That's all you're going to say.

Yes. It's an interest. I wouldn't go to Argentina myself, but he did. And he was got there or handed himself in, whatever you want to call it. But it seems to be like everything that the United States is trying to do around not only Mexico, but like a lot of these countries out there that have these people who are openly antagonistical against the United States and its interest. this this designation is being utilized and like we were talking about offline you know if you're

somebody in a country like that and you're involved in anything anti-American who are your friends you know who's going to finance you you know not black rock yeah it's got to be like Cuba and places like that it's not going to be black rock it's going to be somebody that sells rock you know right right so i think that's that's somebody figure that out and that's that's the tool that's being utilized. You're seeing Claudia Seymond right now in Mexico, basically in a stance of open hostility as far as anti-interventionism is the thing. We don't want the U.S. here.

We don't want the U.S. to invade us. We can do it ourselves. And you just saw J.D. Vans and also Trump during the G7 event two days ago speak openly about the fact that, you know, Claudia Seymon is a great woman. But she's very afraid the cartels who run. that country. And JD Vance is like saying like if they force us and lives are in danger, we're going to have to do military operations in Mexico. Trump is talking about the fact that the sea is already kind of sealed off. The what? The sea routes into the United States,

the drug sea routes in the United States are already sealed off. They are. That's what he said, according to his numbers. I will speak to anybody out there if they've seen some uptaken drug drug prices out there i don't i don't i don't i'm not aware of any i was talking to my guys the other day something tells me we're seeing 40 50 percent increases so yeah well trump is saying now that they're going to go into a ground campaign in mexico basically is what he said um they were doing a lot of ocean interdiction stuff and blowing up a bunch of boats in on the ocean uh a lot of these like cocaine submarines uh drug boats okay um fast boats um um There's fishing villages all over the coastline in Mexico and some of these fishing villages,

they moonlight, you know, at night. And they move things around the ocean. And some of these boats have been blown up in the ocean. Some of them get played for CNN. And some of them don't. Some of them just sink into the ocean and you never hear about them. But there's a lot of, I've spoken to a few people that have family members missing. Oh, they went out on a fishing trip and they just didn't come back.

There's a lot of that going on right now. and that people are afraid to go into that line of work, which if the U.S. is trying to stop that, I guess that's working. Well, they're blowing up trap houses, too. Yep. Because when I had Eric Princeton here, I could say this now because it later came out publicly. But like, we got off air. We went to take the picture over there.

He's like, you want to see something cool. It's like, okay, rips out his phone, and it's like this gray scale drone image. And you just see like some heat maps moving. And I'm like, okay? And he's like, wait for it. And then like one Mississippi, two Mississippi. be, do so, so, pooh, pooh! And he's like, traphouse, Haiti.

Nice. Yeah. They did it in Ecuador with the Trindarawa guy. They blew him up as well. Was that Eric? No, that was the U.S. They, they, that was one in the same. Maybe. Who knows?

I think, I think that there are, there are like, like, covert military operations by the United States and Mexico and all over Latin America going on right now. It's like, it's not a. secret anymore. A lot of this has been already kind of been uncovered. The purpose of them is what is interesting. Like what are they trying to do? Who are they targeting and why? Well, in Mexico, they're now shifting their focus. Who's left in Mexico as far as like a big fish as far as cartels? Well, there's a few. El Hardinero. El Hardinero was arrested. Oh, he's gone. He's gone. He

just picked up. I really like that. No shots were fired. fired, pretty upsetting. He was apparently one of their best fighters and also the head architect of the alliance between the Chapitos and the New Generation Cartel. That's gone and over. The Chepitos are on the run. There's firefights going on in places like Cabo. And Cabo. Cabo. With a stronghold for them. Go to Cabo, everyone. Jeff Neon warned you. There's a few things going on there. There's stuff going on in Sonora. There's stuff going on in the border between Baja and Sonora. there's this movement across the

northern part of the country right now as this thing's restructure. And right now there's a siege going on in Durango where all these cartel, the remnants of the Senola cartel are going to have a stronghold there. Oguano, big cartel head is hiding around there somewhere.

Oguano. Oguano. Oguano. I got some hard names. I don't know how these, it's weird because some of them there aren't flattering, you know? Right. Chapo means short. Like, if you were Lachapal, would you allow people to call it a shorty? No, but it sounds hard in America. Yeah.

That's your customer base, you know? I get it. Um, it seems like we're moving into like siege warfare and a lot of these, a lot of these bigger organizations are getting smaller and getting a little more localized. Um, the, the age of the big cartel head and this is like this menschel figure and having all these that's gone. Gone. I don't. I don't. I don't. I don't. I don't. I I don't think it's going to last much long. You have Carlos Valencia Gonzalez, who the 03, he was the son-in-law of El Mencho.

Is this the one that has, that lives? He's an American. Yeah, he's an American. He lives in California. He's from Santa Ana, California. Yeah. He's an American, so an American is the head of the biggest cartel organization in Mexico right now. It's an American dream.

So it's just like it's so just people that wrap their head. He's from Santa Ana and California. He's the head of the New Generative Cartel now, according to people, according to a lot of people. And then you have, you know, Archivaldo and his brother, the last remaining sons of Lachapaguzman, who are basically on the run right now. The government is really going after them. And if you're an outsider looking at that from the outside, you say like, why are they going after the Chapita? specifically and so hard. That's probably because they've been,

they view them as collaborators for the Americans in a lot of ways because of what they did with O'Mayo. So that's an interesting thing to kind of think about. I don't know if that's true or not, but that's an interesting way of thinking about it. They're pretty much on the run. A lot of the... That's so interesting, though, because it's like on the one hand,

Mexico and the government's like, please help us. And then on the other hand, but don't do it with a terrorist designation. But don't do it with the people. that pay for our campaigns. It's like a game of thrones in six different directions. Yeah. Yeah. So there's not a lot of them left, and you see this shift that the United States has,

and now the eye of Sauron is pointed at the politicians. The governor of Sonora under investigation. And the way you learn about some of these has been pretty interesting. I think the first one that this happened to was the governor of Baja. She was trying to cross over to California, and they told her her visa was revoked. So that means that you are under investigation, apparently. They told her about it, and then they were like, hey, if you don't have anything to worry about, cross into San Diego. That was the way you could prove. So a lot of these politicians, basically, that's what they're, they're getting notified

that their visas are being revoked because they're under investigation. You have three governors currently under, like, direct investigation. Revenro Chamoya. who under his leadership, apparently according what I've seen, members of his administration and people working under him, specifically those chapitos who helped them get him into office, kidnapped an individual who was apparently a DEA informant, along with 10 other people, including a 13-year-old boy. allegedly.

They were under the protection and kind of like the influence of Rubenro Chamoyah. These cops, these municipal cops, picked him up along with these other people and handed him over to Los Chapitos and all of them got killed, including that 13-year-old boy. The cops handed them over. Yep.

Municipal cops. What did the 13-year-old boy have to do with anything? His family. And they just killed the kid. I mean, I get it. We all listen to Coritos, and we all listen to romanticism and glorify some of the stuff. And I watch Netflix, Mexico, and they make him look so sexy and stuff like that.

But some of these people are, there's a brutality to this. Did I ever tell you the Carripealer story? No. So you and I were talking when we were walking earlier and I told you to this day. One of the most bone-chilling things that ever got said in here was you, unknowingly last time. Because I remember we recorded on like Wednesday, March 13th. And halfway through the podcast, you start saying, you're just on a tear.

And you're like, are we going to talk about the CIA in Mexico? We're going to talk about how they bought off top 10 banks and top 10 bankers at those banks to flip them to do money laundering for cartel people? And I'm looking at a lessee at the time, looking over and I'm like, funny you say that, the literal knock from CIA that did that told that story in that very chair last week about how he did that. And there was another story he told, though, because this guy went deep undercover within the cartels and his job, as you well know, was to not arrest them but be a part of them.

they took him downstairs to some warehouse like some he was a money wanderer so not a gun guy but the gun guys took him down to the basement of some warehouse and there were a bunch of cartel dudes around a beaten up bloody guy who was you know pleading whatever but on the table the reason he was pleading is they had his 10 year old son and what they did is they all took turns with a carrot peeler to the son's face because the father had like robbed some from the cartels and he had to sit there and watch that and like you could see you know there's tons where people tell stories and you're like i don't know about that you could see it like this guy was pretty unshakable matt hedger but when he told that one he was you could just

see like his mind there there was some sort of like unwritten rules and stuff like that and they did exist at some point but that shit is gone years ago um i think the first time i's heard anything of that nature was uh el uro palma associate of El Chapo Guzman. His wife was enamored by the Sicario. I think it was Venezuelan or something like that. And his wife and two kids were abducted.

And his kids were thrown over a bridge and videoed. And his wife's head was sent to him. And he went to the El Mayo Zambada and said, like, hey, can I return to the face? And here we are, you know. The brutality I've seen out there is, I mean, that story about that kid, it's one in thousands. Do you think that's from, you know, recruiting dissented, why can't I talk right now,

desensitization from, you know, getting kids when they're seven, eight years old and having them hold a rifle? The start of this brutality, I think, you know, you could hear, you could see elements of it in the 90s and 2000s, like the story I just told. But then you go into the phenomenon of the Zetas. Those are the ones we trained. The United States had a hand in a lot of them. The United States had a hand in some of their training. There's like, I've heard rumors.

I've never been there, but I've heard rumors of like pictures of them in some pretty interesting military bases in the United States. So in School of the Americas being mentioned and how that has a history. School of the Americas? Yeah, it's like a university that the U.S. has for foreign military command to come and learn ways of figuring out their own countries. But foreign cartel command in this case. Yeah. The story goes that an army unit within the Mexican special forces deserted. realistically that's not what happened.

They were sent under official orders to be the bodyguards of a state prosecutor in some of the Gulf states. And then they said, well, you're actually here to bodyguard the head of the Gulf Cartel. And they were like, okay, let's figure this out, I guess.

You know, they take orders. And they got really good at it. And then they said, like, hey, we can do this ourselves. We have more discipline than you guys. And they became this monster of an organization. They were growing exponentially in Mexico. And I think they caught the eye of the US, which in a lot of ways, they were like, hey, this, this, uh, this ISIS-like figure of these that is growing in Mexico

is probably not the best thing in the world. And the ones that went to war directly with them were the Sinaloa Cartel. When was that? This was the early 2000s. This is around Fast and the Furious, when a lot of those guns were showing up in the hands of some of these cartel members, specifically the scene in the law cartel because they needed weapons to fight the Zet. Oh, my God.

And I'm not, and I'm not going to. We could, let's do it. This is theories. Let's do it. Pure spec. Dude, I, head injuries. I'm just this dude from TJ. That's right.

But you were dropping some alpha on me on our walk this morning about Operation Fast and Furious. So pure spec, pure speculation here. We don't know. We don't know. I don't know. I don't know. What are you hearing from the birdies?

I found some of those guns, number one. You found them? Yeah, I found some of them. I find these 50-Cal Barrett rifles with the instruction manuals and everything in the box. This is back when you were in the police unit. Active, and we go into fucking houses, and all of a sudden these fucking armories are there and like, oh, this is a lot of guns. And all of a sudden, the ATF shows up a few hours later outside the building.

I was like, hey, can we look at some of those guns? So it's... seemed like they materialized in the span of a few months and they started showing up in a lot of specific places around the scene in the law cartel. It's like, hey, like somebody said like, hey, we need these guns to fight these people. Now, the fact that they were Barrett 50 cows showing up is interesting. The first cartel that started utilizing improvised armor in their operations was the Zetas. And those need to be shot at with 50 cows. And to this day, when you see cartel

monster on monster warfare Zacatecas has a lot of that going on. The new generation cartel and some of the elements of the those Mayos fight it out and tank on tank battles all the time. But the first time that happened was the Zetas. So you see the scene in the Maltaxatel

fighting against the Zetas and they need firepower. It's like Robocop. Remember when the Bodiker boys got these 50 gals? Same thing happened. It's like, hey, we need something to fight against Robocop. No, we need something if I get the Zetas in their armored truck, so he starts seeing these 50. I'm not, again, it seems very suspicious that this fast and furious operation, which actually preceded the holder administration, it's like, I think it started in the Bush administration.

Wow. And according to some people in Mexico that I've talked to, this, the numbers that the U.S. shares as far as how many of those guns were out there is not high enough. Not high enough. And it seemed to have armed every specific cartel because the interest of the United States was to fight the other one

that was growing that wasn't aligning with their interest. That's like the theory. Yeah, that's pure spec. Of course. But what really struck me about that when you were bringing that up on our walk is that the fall guy

would literally be the Attorney General of the United States because it's like, yeah, that's better. That's like one of the highest offices in the land. Yeah. they did whoever was like behind this and realized well this went bad decided that that was a better fucking whipping boy than whatever was actually causing it and i'll ask you this question

you get caught you're you're your holder you know and you just got caught letting thousands of firearms just cross the border you lose your job or something or maybe but nothing happened nothing nothing happened later with other administrations as well again so I raised a few thousand dollars for the Ryan Terry Foundation

this this agent that was killed with some of those guns and God bless him and his family but nobody speaks about some of the friends that I lost to that to some of those firearms because they're Mexican kids nobody gives a fuck about

so when I talk about some of this I talk about it in a very personal way. I was shot out with some of those guns as well. Mexicans, like the Mexican culture and the people, when they talk about Mexican, when they talk, when they think about or view U.S. intervention in Mexico, you'll hear, you'll hear several things. One, fear because they've seen what an invasion look like by the U.S. in Iraq and Afghanistan. They don't trust the U.S. completely, obviously. They shout about, why don't you just stop using drugs?

You know, why don't you just stop using drugs? Why are you sending all these guns down to Mexico? It's another argument you see a lot. And when the rhetoric goes into political, the political spear, politicians in Mexico will say, like, well, shut the flow of guns down to Mexico. Maybe that'll cut the violence and maybe stop arming some of these cartels. or stop training some of these people that then turn into cartel forces.

And on the other end of it, you see the U.S. saying, well, we're going to fight the cartels and stop these drugs from coming over the border. And the issue is with Mexico and with the cartels and the politicians that protect the cartels. And there's a disconnect there of those two realities.

And that's why a lot of people are very nervous in Mexico, and that's why a lot of people should be. nervous up here in the United States because anything that happens in Mexico will be felt here like nothing else you've ever had as far as a war. Mexico is one of the biggest trading partners with the United States. Overall Mexican immigration is down to historic lows. Yeah, to America. Yeah. I posted a video of one of the crossings recently in Tecate and you see a lot of people, but you don't see a lot of Mexicans. Um, European, uh, Arabic.

Mm. Yeah. Um, North African is what you see. North African. A lot of Chinese. Yeah. Now they, don't they still do the whole system where they go through like the dairy and gap and everything and all the way up?

Yep. That's, that's, uh, that's, I think one of them, one of those routes is still active, but a lot of them are just lying in with, uh, with like normal into Mexico and then just dumping out all their paperwork and just crossing the border. the border security in places like tj is up but people are still crossing you know it's like i understand the up-in security but all that does is is raises prices for some of these smugglers um you see you see that's still going on and that's a major source of money for some of these organizations that are working on the border um there is a disconnect between what the u.s public see

in Mexico and what the Mexican public sees in the U.S. They're currently seeing the U.S. as a looming threat. Just like the Ukrainians are seeing, they saw Russia before the invasion. That's what the sentiment in Mexico is like. Really? Politically, yes. In some places, in some people talk about that type of stuff with fear.

There was a drone attack in a place called Playa Tijuana. It's right on the beach on the border with San Diego. The New Generation Cartel dropped a bunch of bomblets on a state prosecutor office. Everybody was afraid that you would think that people were like, oh, the cartels are attacking. No, they were afraid that the U.S. was attacking. You know, that's the weird fear now. It's like in the back of people's minds, the beginning they thought it was the U.S. When you see this stuff on the news about them putting maybe a bomb in a,

in a cartel guy's car or maybe being responsible for the abduction of O'Mayosambana, which led to a ginormous war that has killed many people and displays many people and has, I met, I met this guy in San Diego. He was a highly traumatized dude. He was a business owner in Sena Loa. He was, I can't say what exactly his business was. He was in a cartel guy. He was like, he was a,

legitimate business. He's an engineer. His business was broken into by the cartel guys. They stole all of his trucks. And then they went to his house and ripped a safe out of his wall and took one of his sons.

Took one of his sons. Yeah. Just to say, we're taking the son. Don't call the cops. We'll let him go later. So just don't... How old was the son? Like a kid? Probably 10 years old or something like that. Did he get him back? Yeah. a few days later. What do you think he did after that? He took whatever they told him.

He flew to Tijuana, paid a coyote, and he crossed into the United States. God damn, man. And that's a bit, that's an engineer business owner. Just like, I, that bad, I got to get them. I mean, I'll blame him. Fuck it. Fuck out. Leave.

But that's one story of. Oh, yeah. When the whole vehicle burning shit was going on across the country. After El Metro? to runcho i went down there to i had to get a family member out of that area the the burnings had stopped but you know there was fear in my family member and they wanted to leave so i just went down there and if i could try to figure that out um i saw a truck one of the one of the trucks that were burned across the road and there was a guy sitting on it uh i went out and gave him some granolas

and some water looked like he'd been there for a while it turns out that was his whole business this truck that was his livelihood you know and stories like that are a abundant but one of the one of the biggest ones i think for me is this this un it gets talked about but i don't know why it doesn't horrify people that much um the industrial level method of some of these organizations of getting rid of people uh yeah talk about this this is crazy um when you go and if anybody ever goes to guadalajara and right now if you're out there for the world Cup, which I think is a bullshit event and FIFA is a horrible corrupt institution. Whatever.

We'll come back to that. Whatever. If anybody is out there for the World Cup, go down to downtown Walalajara and you'll see that they tore a lot of these fucking signs out. But it is like a zombie apocalypse movie where all the missing posters are of the peoples, like tapestry all around downtown. Thousands of kids, women and kids. a tapestry of missing people's,

a person's faces, you go there and you will lose count. I try to count them. Like, ah, maybe there's a few repeat ones here. There are thousands of them. Kids.

Kids. And a lot of them have the same story. Hey, I don't have a lot of opportunities here. Like, I need to work. Call centers, I'll go to this call center

is going to hire me or this company is going to hire me. They show up there. And they, get a screwdriver tossed in the middle of them and like whoever survived like joker level shit like tryouts tryouts oh my god um kids kids um this this this this this guy we interviewed i went down there with johnny mitchell and we interviewed this kid who was an uber driver a new bird driver yeah and he got in a car car wreck and he didn't have an insurance so he said well i have to get a side

gig and the side gig was meeting up with the new generation cartel being recruited He gets taken into a car at a bus station, driven into the mountains. But before he gets there, the cops stop them. The municipal police stop them. And they question all of them. They beat the shit out of them. And like, where are you going really?

Like, who are you with? Like, what are you really doing here? All this type of stuff. They wouldn't crack. It's like, oh, good. You're strong people. These people were these people, the testing subjects.

It was like the testing subjects. And then they end up in these ranches where they get trained. Shoes get taken off all the clothing kids. Up in the hills. All the clothing gets taken off. There was this Mexican Auschwitz story somewhere in Halisco, of this supposed mass grave that was found. And they were citing all the clothing left there.

Those, that clothing wasn't probably from all the bodies. That was probably from kids showing up there and getting all their shit stripped off because they don't want any trackers on anything. Yeah, I think Johnny was talking about that in episode 314. Yeah, I think that was right after you guys had gone. Yeah. And it's, it's brutal, man. if you want a gun you have to earn it by killing a few people.

If you want a rifle, you have to earn it by killing a few people. And visitors are usually the target practice that you get to practice on. So when you see those posters, though, of all those missing kids, obviously many of them are dead and gone and are never going to be seen again. I'll come back to that in a second. And then some of them are just they transformed. They went there. They transformed.

They got recruited. They're never going to be seen again as they were. No. I mean, this kid. dude he's like a 20 year old uh like he's this kid yeah uh is that eyes or glass glass glass eyes yeah i know that that that look thousand yards stare kind of thing um hands always trembling um alcoholism um kid doesn't have it's not going to have a liver probably the time he's 30 probably um and what options does he have except remaining there or you know continuing on there and it's this uh

this generational thing now there because a lot a lot of these organizations have been it's a generational thing my dad was in it my brother was in it now i'm in it and you know what do we do with our lives now which is it's one of the saddest things about this whole thing you know you saw the arrest of a mention in Mexico burning and still we went through like the airport where people were planes were getting shot at in Halisco and everywhere was scrambling the same airport receiving all these international tourists coming in for the World Cup and it's like we have to do this there are pressing issues and matters in Mexico so a soccer game isn't one of them um we're currently in a state where you know the US rhetoric around a ground

assault of some sort or actively openly striking somewhere in Mexico as on the table. Like the president said it recently, J.D. Van said it as well. It's like a very open thing. Do you think that's rhetoric or actually like they're thinking in their head maybe 20% chance we're going to be before Maduro? I would have said, I don't know. I don't know. I was talking about who's left out there that they could go after or explain. load, you know? Yeah, D. F.E. Just got this. This is J.D. Vance on June 18th a few days ago. Yeah. U.S. reserves the right to take military action against cartels in Mexico. There it is. Trump said the same thing at the G7. Yeah. So it's in unison, right? So who are they going to go after?

Archivaldo, his brother, the last remaining sons of Wachapa Guzman. There's a few other half-brothers and stuff like that out there. But that's not going to, let's say, you know, you've sent seal team takes after these people and they tomahawk them or whatever. Okay, that's now a crater in the middle of the hills of Sina law. Next man up. So that's not going to do anything. So they've, they've moved their lens towards politics because they've realized that a lot of these organizations can't have a hold or can't continue on without direct official, complete, like a direct official participation by the government. But how do you, Ed, how do you fix that when A, it's so wide. spread, B, the guys who are paying off the government are also holding a gun to their head when

they do it, not just to them, but to their families as well. And again, back to point A, this is at mass scale. So it's like whackamol. How do you actually not even fix it? Let's say put a 60% dent into it to make a difference. Well, number one is drug consumption and some of the ways they're funding themselves. In the past, you would say like cartels are funding themselves with drugs. Now we see that's one of them another one is illegal immigration another one is basically that they've been diversifying

their portfolio for decades so when everybody goes to Shepotla and orders extra guac they're putting money in the pockets of a few cartels out there what about my avocados that is you're funding the new generation cartel

and members of La Familia in Michoana right now but they are fire I know I get it but you're funding them and how is that well they tax all the farmers there and they get a cut out of all of that. So that's connected. How can I incentivize them to just do the avocado thing

and not like the fentanyl thing? I think the fentanyl thing is being utilized as a rhetoric as well. The fentanyl aspect of this, I think is, you know, people are getting wise to it. There's more things out, other drugs out there. People are shifting through other drugs

and also the ways that fentanyl gets into this country. You know, some, yeah, some of it goes through Mexico, some of it. Most of it probably comes through the mail, realistically. Or most of it comes from Canada. Yeah. Like a lot of it is coming from other places right now. But the Mexicans are also operating in Canada, in all fairness.

Yeah, some of them. But like, there's other players in this now. So viewing this as a, we need to stop the fentanyl thing is very simplistic to say. It's not just stop the fentanyl. Yeah, that's like a, that's one symbol. That's one piece. You know, if we had a pie chart right now of all the things, it's like, you know, there's your 10% or 5% or whatever i'll say i'll say this as i was born in mexico and i got to see the

drug war kick off directly i was there for it i was there for in the shit in the shit in one of the biggest shits in my time uh trying to trying to figure out a very specific uh city and and part of mexico and from there to now not a lot has changed these organizations have gotten bigger these organizations have politicized and now they're in politics these organizations used to have like maybe paid off one general in one region or maybe paid off the head of police and the other but now they have the mayor and now they have the governor uh and you know what they have those other positions that you don't think about on the ballot that are really fucking important too yeah uh people that sign you know regulatory shit yeah

And things get passed, like, oh, there's a hotel being built here in this National Reserve. How is that possible? If you protest against it, we'll send some people after you in the middle of the night. So that's where we are in Mexico, realistically. And there is a lot of blame to go around as far as how we got here. But right now, independently of the blame, on the U.S. side, there is a ginormous drug market. An organized crime is definitely here in the... US operating, you have the biggest cartel in Mexico being run by an American, an American-born

national. How is that being allowed? That's what I don't understand. You have elements of his El Mentiono's family being found to be living comfortably in Riverside, California. That's right. Enjoying their life there. May or may or may not be directly involved, but this is the thing.

And you have these politicians who are involved in Morena, who used to be in other parties that did horrible job at trying to cut this cartel shit. So the rhetoric in Mexico is, oh, we're not the same government as a past. No, you're exactly the same people. So there's no the conservative party or the leftist party, all that shit is rhetoric. It is the political class in Mexico that has been compromised for decades now. And solely but surely, they've been infiltrated, compromised. and they're very much now Siamese twins in a lot of ways with some of these criminal organizations.

And yes, some of them are going away. Some of them are, some of these figure heads are going away, but the U.S. is adamant about its attacking or figuring out how to cut this fentanyl problem from Mexico. And the eye of it is on politics now. So like, we just, let's say, Juan Carlos Valencia, 0-3, the new generation cartel head gets blown up maybe on the hillsides, although that's going to be an American, so that's going to be, I don't know,

I don't know if the military can blow up a U.S. citizen. I mean, they did it in 2011 with that fucking dude in Africa. So if anybody's going to do it again, it's probably going to be. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, this is going to be like, that's fine. Constitution, get damned. Let's, let's, he might be blown up somewhere. You have Los Chapito still around.

You have elements of Los Mayo's, Mayo flaco around. None of that's going to, like, do any damage or do a dent or realistically change anything in Mexico if you blow them up, right? At least the U.S. foreign policy, as I see it, they're trying to figure out how to actually create a change in Mexico that allows them to implement whatever they want to implement in Mexico. And for me, I think the key thing is a lot of these governors, Ruben Rocha Moya, Alfonso DuRasso, Americo Villarreal, Tamolipa, Sonora, these. are all northern mexico which is interesting because that's where most of the industrial plant of Mexico is yes we can talk about resources which you know there's a shit tonne of lithium in the north um we need that the united states is in a hurry to figure out its industrial plant after china i think that's what's going on it's probably preparing for something something's coming

you know, this Iranian war isn't going as well as people thought. I think they just close the straight to her moves back up. Yeah, don't speak for me. I knew it wasn't going to go, well, so did everyone else out there listening, but, you know, at the White House. Las six letters. I'm using that forever now. But now you have this, now you have the U.S. in an interesting time, specifically the administration, and an interesting place.

They need a win. They need a win. They need a win. So what happened with Maduro? They flew in there with some strange Doritos in the sky and made a bunch of people boil from the inside out maybe or something. Yeah, can you explain this some more? You would tell me this on the wall of my mind.

I have no, I don't know. It's pure spec, Ed, but explain what your spec is. They probably flew over something that boiled people from the inside out is what I think, some sort of microwave. Like it took their bone marrow and basically. Something made them really hot from the inside out. And then they just walked in and just took them. Something like that probably happened there.

We got a revelation of some sort of weird technology there. All of those Cuban mercenaries who were part of his bodyguarding unit all got put into little boxes and sent back to Cuba. So that's... Put into little boxes like in pieces? I don't know. Like everybody, like they all showed up back in Cuba. where there's a video of them getting like pulled out of a plane and they're all in a little box.

So if you can find that video, it's pretty interesting video. Yeah, do you forget it? Yeah, like why did they decide to cremate all of them mysteriously for transport? I don't know, maybe they don't have refrigerated planes. Yeah, it's less space as well, right? Well, you know. The U.S. went in there and took Maduro on the most expensive Uber ride

to New York. There they are. There is. Yeah, let's play this. Maduro's bodyguards. Oh, look, at least they got like the official marching, you know. Wow, those are little ash boxes. Yeah, no, no, like.

Some North Korean looking shit right there too. I don't, I don't know. He's kicking a little low. He's going to get fired. I don't know what they, what technology they probably use, but they probably, they unveiled something pretty interesting in that raid. And again, I think about this event and I think about Mexico. And again, who's, who is there that could,

They took out Maduro. They took out Maduro. When they say took out, they took him out of Venezuela. And now is the Venezuelan government changed? No, the Venezuelan government is still communist under Delsi Rodriguez. And they just have to listen to the United States on everything. And Ed, I don't know, you tell me, correct me from wrong here. But one of the things I feared when this happened is that it would turn into the situation where now it's still a communist government. And the Venezuelan people who were very happy, maybe a year or two down the line will start to see all these. oligopolistic type, you know, gringoes coming to town from America and say, we got 50% of your oil now and their government's technically still communist, but it's just playing ball with the Americans and they're going to suddenly be like, well, wait a minute, righteously. So, this is our oil. What the fuck. Do you see a trending in that direction?

It's exactly where we are. Yeah. They're after gold and oil. There's no. There's a gold. Yeah, there's a lot of gold there. And, yeah, there's reports of American armed personnel. in one other mining regions.

A lot of the mining going on in Venezuela is run by these criminal organizations and gangs and stuff like that. They basically extract the gold and then sell it. And where? I don't remember exactly the region, but it's in Venezuela. And there's, there's like the government, the Venezuelan government is going in there. And now saying like, hey. Yeah, like, hey, like, the US and Venezuela join forces target gangs in key mining regions.

It's from the Wall Street Journal. Yeah, there's. friendly government in Caracas is trying to lure American investment into its metal rich. They want that gold. That's gold fever. Let's go that. Everybody's seeing a leprechaunzel say, yeah.

So it's, it's a something Venezuela should be, that's like a blueprint. A blueprint. And I think the next Venezuela could be Mexico. All right. Now, that's interesting. I wasn't necessarily expecting you to say that. And the reason is one of the ways that they sold the Venezuela raid was, oh, it's a huge drug capital. Los Soles.

Right. And then when you actually looked at the literal government reports from before they did this rate, it shows like South American drugs. And I forget the numbers, but it was like 0.5% or something like that is Venezuela. And yet Mexico is the main problem. And Mexico had already been designated to terrorism. organization cartel-wise, and yet the mission happened in Venezuela, not Mexico. So my thought was they're dancing around the Mexican issue, perhaps because of the reasons

you were laying out about the industrial back-and-forth partnership. It's a bigger... Mexico isn't Venezuela. Venezuela is, yeah, heavily fortified, had all those guns and everything like that, all that anti-air Russian technology that everyone was very afraid of. You're going to get all these kids sent back in body bags. The only body boxes went to Cuba. but no, not,

body boxes. I mean, yeah, I mean, whatever that operation was, you had a hand it to them. They did a number on them. But that's not Mexico though. You had Ruben Rocha-Moya when he was, when the issue did him a red notice that they were looking, coming after him, he had the Mexican federal government

install the military around him to protect him. And he was held up in his bunker because he was a sitting governor in Cina Loa. So he was hiding in his office, basically, for a while. And what do you think he was afraid of? Mexican helicopter showing up and laying out his roof and extracting him. That was what they were afraid of. Ever since that, the federal government apparently has taken his security off, and he's hiding somewhere in a rural ranch somewhere in Cina.

The governor. Can he govern? he's on a license and there's somebody else governing for him right now because that you can do that in Mexico for a bit um so he's in the hills hiding so when i say Venezuela I don't say I'm not when I say that Mexico is probably on the verge of becoming the next Venezuela who would be the the who would be the Maduro figure in Mexico that they would go after is my question right If you were a betting man, Ed, pure spec. Cloudless shame mom?

Very popular. Trump says a lot of good things about her. He does. She's a sitting president of Mexico. I don't think it's her. I agree. Was she, is she compromised by cartels? It doesn't seem so.

I mean, maybe she has some people around her who are. Right. Maybe her campaign was funded in, in, a lot of ways by some of this cartel money, which has always been the case for a lot of these elections for the past a few decades. So there's nothing new there. I don't see it. I don't see a Black Hawk helicopter showing up to Mexico City and like putting like with some Doritos in the sky and just, I don't see that. Who else could it be? Let's look around the room. Ruben Rocha Moya would be a good candidate. Is he still a little too high to be a candidate? You know what I mean?

He's a governor. Could be him. But who's his best friend? And why is all this attention being put on this in specific person? It's because he's the closest friend and direct link to Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador, the political figurehead of the Morena Party in Mexico. How much power does he still hold now out of office? All of it.

If he comes out and says like, hey, I'm the president now, I could see a, a political movement in the country to change the constitution to put him back in. I could see that. But Trump likes him, I thought you said. He said good things about him and they did pretty well together, but they had a lot of arguments about U.S. agents and the DEA working in the United States and Evo Morales for a while who was on the run, hid in Mexico for a bit. And he spoke highly of Maduro. And so he was definitely on the other side of that spectrum. I'm, I, I think that's where we're headed. In some way, shape, or form, in some way, shape, or form, the United States is probably going to target him next.

And what do you think, let's say they target him. Let's say it's not even, doesn't even need to be as fancy of an operation it was for Maduro. They're not to use some fucking bone marrow microwave weapon or whatever. But they target, they go in, they get him, they take him out. what does the aftermath of that look like from a U.S.-Mexico relationship standpoint? Bad, I think. Shinebaum has to act in some way, right? Either she separates herself from it and says like, hey, you know what?

The U.S. was right about it. And we're going to do what Venezuela did, which is like, well, I guess he's gone. We're still going to continue on with our project. We're still going to be like communists and brunch yet, but let's cut down all the anti-American talk. I think that could be it. Or, or this is the other possibility. The Mexican government and Morena fold, and they round up all of this list of politicians that are on that red notice. The 11.

Well, there's nine now because two of them, I think kind of. But they round them all up and they put them on a plane. And the U.S. has this moment where they're pulling them out of the helicopter on that bay where Mangione was in Maduro. And they're like... I'm showing you that this morning. Yeah, yeah. Like, yeah, it's a fun cool space.

I got to show you something. That was a cool spot. I've seen it on TV. You know Cash Patel is going to be out there in his customer air forces with him, right? Yeah. Saying he did it. Yeah, yeah. But just imagine this moment.

I think that's what this administration is looking for. Like a clear point in victory. Like, hey, this cartel thing, and it's went all the way up and all this policy. Now it's in the politics. Now this is a clear victory. Like this is our, like all these corrupt Mexican politicians were handed over by the Mexican government. And now the Mexican government, sitting Mexican government, federal government behind Klauzebomb, legitimizes itself in the eyes of the United States. And like, that's all we want it.

Thank you. Now we're going to play ball. Allow us to aid you in this cartel war. and really create a mass extinction event with these criminal organizations. It's either one or the other, I think, is what might happen. I could see that. I think, you know, and I've been thinking about this all day while you're talking so far, but I think all the, I don't know, I guess you call it, like the normies,

like the people like me who aren't on the ground there and just have to hear about it and try to get an idea what's going on. Too often I'll look at it like, oh yeah, cartels, kills everyone, anyone that doesn't agree to be paid off. They just take out their families. And obviously they're a brutal organization and all that. And then we talk about how intelligence organizations like CIA will infiltrate them and use them as like a vehicle to be able to do all their shit around the world. But I don't know, and maybe I'm off base here and saying this.

So correct me if I'm wrong. I don't know if we look enough at the intelligence aspect of the cartels as well. Because when they have to go figure out, all right, we're going to target these people in government or these. people in this position of power as opposed to those people over there. Obviously, there's a calculation that happens, which is a part of intelligence, I think, if you say it is. But the reason I bring that up is because when you look at a lot of intelligence agencies, when they want to infiltrate centers of influence, if you will, places that they want to have eyes and ears on the ground and know everything that goes on, they'll look at it and they'll say, okay, who's in charge of

this place? Person X. All right, who's the janitor at this place? Person. Person. And what they really look for is person Y, who's not at the top and not at the bottom, but knows who's coming, knows who's going, and can do things out of the spotlight, away from the camera and be able to take care of business if called upon. So when you talk about who the figurehead would be in, that they'd go in and take because they're completely under the thumb of the cartel, or when you talk about like, yeah, it seems like Shinebaum herself from all appearances is not directly paid off by the cartel, I would actually agree with that. Like, I, I, I, I, I could see that being true because, like you said, there's people around her whose names we don't know and, you know, who get paid a decent government salary and have a lot of access to her and the things she's doing who probably are.

Yeah. And that's a very, you know, not to like praise the cartels here, don't like doing that, but from a just like strategic tactic, unfortunately, that's a kind of brilliant tactic they have there. Yeah, I mean, who's really in charge? Are the actual cartels in charge in Mexico? Oh, that's not where I thought you were going. Or is it that they are a part of a structure that is in charge of Mexico? You have, we had a version of the WikiLeaks event in Mexico. I think I talked about this the last time, the Wakamaya leaks. Yes.

That event led to us finding out that in certain military regions, they support one cartel. In certain other military regions, they support another. There's an admiral that went to Argentina to try and figure something out out there, and now he's being caught. And now apparently the Mexican Marines were completely in bed with some of the fuel smuggling, arming, some of these cartels. So are they two things? Or are they one overlapping thing across Mexico? Yeah.

Are they playing both sides against the middle? I think anybody in Mexico that gets into a high enough position of power, realize that it's a mine, a gold mine. A gold mine. Yeah, Mexico is a gold mine. Mexico is a gold mine. It has a lot of money in it. A lot of things go through it.

It's right next to the world's superpower. So there's a financial game of having any control over it. There's a lot of international interest in Mexico. You had Trump coming into office. You had the Chinese come into Mexico under Andres Manuel Lopez Oredor. They try to make electric vehicles in Mexico to get around some of the tariffs. But the United States kind of caught on to that. So now Mexico is coming out with their Mexican-made electric vehicles.

which are made with Chinese parts. But, you know, whatever. But so that's China in Mexico, trying to figure things out, right? You have an openly antagonistical government in Mexico against the United States and against U.S. interests saying on one hand, well, we're not going to play ball with the U.S., but on the other hand, massive raids on Chinese products illegally coming into Mexico and being sold.

Oh, they've been doing that. Oh, they've been putting the pressure on that. They don't want that anymore because, you know, you have, because, you know, the U.S. doesn't want it. So let's say we're not playing ball, but on the other hand, we're going to play some ball, right? Right. So are you saying they're taking out symbolically some places? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, China is there. Russia is there in some way, shape, perform in Mexico. I don't know to the extent that the U.S. is saying they are, but there's definitely an influence of Russia in Mexico.

What kind of influence would you say? I'd say, I mean, political influence, Mexico is coming out as antagonistic to the United States. So the enemy of my enemy is my friend is the old adage. And Russia's been in Mexico for years. It's like a good spot. Yeah, they go back to like, what was it, Lenin? Is that who died there? Castro was trained his original guerrilla forces in Mexico.

I was in a cafe called Cafeta Cuba, where Castro and Che Guevara would like hang out and drink coffee. Nice. So that's a history. China has China is there, obviously. Some people say that the new generation cartel in some shapes and forms have displayed technology capabilities and equipment capabilities that seem to have come from China, from jamming devices to drones to some sophisticated equipment that can take down planes. So that might mean that they're being supplied by a foreign country.

Who knows? There was a time when. shitloads of fentanyl was being pumped into that part of the country from china. China's still producing it. It's still singing out. Some of it is being produced within legitimate pharmaceutical companies across Mexico because there's pharmacies everywhere. So there's people should do the math as far as where some of these drugs might be coming from. But you see influences from everywhere. Mexico is very important. We as Mexicans don't realize it sometimes that we'll like to think of ourselves as a little guy,

but we are very key and strategic and important for the United States future. Number one, or industrial plant on the northern border. That's all TV, most of the, I think that TV's probably made in Baja. Maybe. Yeah, so the U.S.

might run out of the ability to source some of their things in China. And we don't know where this war is going in Iran, and we might be in the beginning, beginnings of war footing. And we might need to figure out technology and equipment to fuel some of this stuff. And I don't think China's going to be too supportive of a prolonged war there because it's going to kill their ability to get resources. We're pretty close to running out of some reserves internationally. Yeah. They were calling early publicly for Iran to stop

returning bombs just to the Gulf region and everything. That's supposed to be their ally. Trump said something about four weeks out. He kept saying four weeks every four weeks. Yeah, as far as the reserves running out. Oh, well, yes, that's right. And then you're going to see Bedlam. He said that. I don't know, I don't think he should.

I don't think he was supposed to say that publicly. Yeah, that was a little true serum. But we'll see in four weeks, I guess, because that straight is still closed. In any way, I think the United States is retreating back into its continent. It's probably going to get out of NATO. You think so? I think it's it's on its way. So you see,

you see Trump and the U.S. as a whole because this is not about Trump. This is like the United States interest are looking at, are looking at the continent, you know, like they're looking at Greenland, they're looking at Argentina, they're looking at other parts of the Venezuela, just got, maybe Cuba's next, you know, Mexico.

And yeah, there are cartels in all these regions, there are people selling drugs and moving things around and all this, but it's specifically the survivability of this country is dependent on its ability to produce. And we've lost that here in the United States. You would think that it would have been a huge wake-up moment, a bigger one at least than it actually turned out to be with COVID. Yeah. When suddenly the whole supply chain got shut down and you had to have this whole, basically like a lot of business had huge businesses, not the smaller ones. They got really fucked. But the bigger ones would have to come in and basically like subsidize creating things here we had never

thought about doing. And as far as I've been able to tell from the outside, it's not like we built bigger systems on top of that once the pandemic died down. But that would have been the time to do it. Yep. I think what the U.S. sees in Mexico is an issue that they can't really depend on it being able to police itself. They can't depend on it to guard some of these industrial plans that they might want to built. There was talk about building a Tesla plant in Monterey that got chit canned. They don't see it as a place where they can do any of this because they have cartels. So let's say you build your avocado orchard, you know? Julian Dore's avocado orchard in the middle of Mitrokan that supplies you would.

I can get behind that. And you're down there and you're like, hey, this is my avocado field. And then the dude shows up like, hey, I'm just here to hand you a phone. You're going to have to pay us $10,000 every. every week. Go fuck yourself. Yeah. And then the next day, there's a, there's a oxo cooler outside of your.

OXO is our 7-Eleven. There's an oxal cool. And it's always one of those coolers for some reason. There's an oxo cooler outside of your house. And you're like, it's got my dogs heading it. Something. You know? And now you're like, ah, maybe this is not a good idea to invest here.

And then you leave because you're fucking afraid. Right. And all that capital you put into that is now. gone. It happens in the mining industry in Mexico. There's been a lot of miners killed and like robberies going on across the mining. The gold mining? There's gold mining in Mexico and there's been a lot of high-level robberies and a lot of cartel targeting events around them. The senior cartel is pretty active in some of that in certain regions like Sonora. So again, all of these are being disrupted towards U.S. interests that are not necessarily tied to drugs. They're necessarily

tied to U.S. economic interests and growth and an industrial plant. Yes, and resources as well. I don't know, like people like to talk about oil in Mexico. There's oil there, but there's, the U.S. has way more of it. Right. But there are. It's not a draw. It's lithium. It's land. And also realistically, think about it. The American dream is no longer in America. It's in Mexico. go to Tijuana I don't mind they come in here Go to Tijuana Go to Tijuana

And you'll see all of these Hong Kong level sky rises Coming up all over the place Because it's filled with Americans That don't want to live in the United States Because it's too expensive Interesting And a lot of these people are retiring

Not to Florida They're going to Mexico Mexico Mexico City Is full Dallume ruined The Green goes ruined It's ruined

It sucks I don't want to Now, like, are you, so for people that go down there for one week vacation and stuff, is that a safe place these days? It's safe. I wouldn't go there. You still wouldn't go. It's safe.

It's just, you're on team they do. Yeah, I'd rather go somewhere else. Mulejah, go to Mulejah. Go San Felipe. It's a way bit cooler. Johnny Mitchell and Nadeu, like, disagree on this. Johnny Mitchell's like, I go down all the time. It's fine.

It's like, I'm never fucking going to Mexico. It's not, it's not about the safety aspect of it. And also, Jenny, you know, he's a former criminal. So he can, he can, he, I've seen him operating. he can swim. He swims. I feel like he can talk his way around. Dude, he's a giant white guy and somehow he always blends in.

Yeah. Right? He's a dude, don't play basketball with that guy. He's nice. He's a good player. Really? Yeah, he's a good. I mean, I know he's tall as fuck.

I didn't take him for a baller though. Yeah, he's funny too. He is a funny one. I broke into his room once in a hotel and. You broke into his room? Yeah, he's like, what do you do for a living? It's like, oh, I can, I teach people how to get in and out of play. and didn't believe me, so I cloned one of his key cards and opened his door.

Oh, that's awesome. You cloned the key card. Yeah. How'd you do that? Uh, there's a suggestion doesn't give his tricks? It's just a small device that we 3D print somewhere and make and build. Oh, like in your back pocket, you got a 3D printer? Yeah, well, we, there's a like a little device that we, so when did the CIA hire you? Is that like 20? Did they get you in the beginning? That's a pretty cool question. A lot of people saying, you know, see, you know, three letters. Right. What about the say Slatras? Uh, maybe. No, no. So they contracted you. None of that. I was trained by Americans. I was trained by Americans at the beginning of my career. I was trained by the U.S. military. It was trained by the Department of the Navy.

Yeah. Also not reassuring, you know. And then a lot of the stuff they showed me was specifically related to urban warfare. That's what I learned from the U.S. Could you break that down a little bit if you don't mind? When I got started in 2004, I didn't know anything about, realistically, I went through a police academy. And I thought I was going to go do community policing. And then I got hunted an assault rifle and got in the back of a truck with a bunch of special forces, guys. Communities need missile rifles too.

And then they quickly realized that we're not equipped to any of that. And they went around trying to figure out training for us. The six letters showed up. And some people, we did get Israeli training. Some of us did get Israeli training. Israelis came and trained us. Some of us were put on FBI background checks. They got all of our shit checked out.

And then some of us who were bilingual went to where the Top Gun School is, that Naval Yard, where the Top Gun School is in Coronado in San Diego. Top Gun School? I mean, I always think of like sealed training. Yeah. The Top Gun School is right next to the Nassau. Navy Yard and that's where part of our training went on. And they've gone at the real life Top Gun School officially known as the United States Navy Strike Fighter Tactics Instructor Program. That's a long fucking name. It's located Naval Air Station Fallon in Fallon, Nevada.

Oh, no. That's a different one? There's one in Coronado. Oh yeah, it says the program moved from its original location at NAS Miramar in San Diego. I used to there. When I was there, I used to see these migs, these fake migs flying out of there. Yeah, like Russian migs flying out of there. It's pretty cool. I think DARPA is at a place. like that probably yeah i don't know well they showed us some shit um i got i got to meet some cool seals um and yes probably some of some of that was probably some sort of orchestration by the united states to have an influence in mexico probably i was never on a payroll i never got to sign anything that's what i would say too that that that probably went well that's but that probably went up

went on hire like my boss is me i have no idea you know all i know is that money goes up and shit comes down and I got all of the shit. So you're like the cop and the town. Yeah. I well, I didn't. I wish I could tell you I looked the other way mostly but I did I did 12 years of it and people who were around for it and know who I worked with and what we did. Yeah. I came out of that shit. Fuck it. Yeah. Jokes. Seriously though. Jokes aside like you talked about that a lot last time and like what that whole process was because like when we think of of, I won't even say community policing, but like, you know, high level police forces in America, maybe even like SWAT teams and stuff like that. There's still like a standard idea to it.

What you guys were doing was you're basically going into minefields where you don't even know if the people you're going to talk to who are supposed to be reporting to you from another part of the government or whatever are working for the fucking cartels or not. It's just like. Or working for interest that are way higher than any of us, you know. Yeah. And again, Fasten the Furious is an example of it. You know, if I was a member of the Thres Letters, you know, why would I be speaking about some of the shit in such a horrible way? Well, because it affected me directly and I lost friends.

I got to see some of those guns maim children. Children. One of my friends was shot outside of his house. They killed him and his wife and his daughter lost an arm. An FF-F-7-F-N-57 pistol with high-velocity rounds was shot at him by these two cicarius. kids probably 18 19 um and those guns were like new in the package they still had the factory um uh gel inside of them that they keep so they don't rust and they um can be shot at um that affected me yeah and it does have that's it's a reason why i do a lot of this shit yeah like if if it was me i

I'd focus on my training. I have a small company, and I do pretty well on that. Why am I speaking about some of this stuff so openly? And why am I predicting some of this shit is coming down the pipeline? I have a vested interest in both sides. You know, I'm up here now. I have a lot of friends up here. You're one of them.

And I don't want anything to happen to this cool, place and country and all my friends. I want them to do well. And I have a daughter who is an American. But also I have a whole family in Mexico. And I have friends and family down there and I fought for that country, tooth and nail. And I lost a lot of myself in that war. And I'm seeing a continuation of the same shit from 2004 to now. And I do have to say something, you know. And I see a lot of blaming by the US towards Mexico and blaming by Mexico to the US, and nobody wants to take responsibility

for what went on. And I think both sides have a lot of fucking sins and skeletons in the closet that, where we are now, though, I don't know if it even matters if they get revealed. Anthony Fauci basically is now being out of it as the one that fucking produced COVID in a labor. somewhere in fucking China. That's out now. The head of intelligence just said that before she fucking said bye. So that's crazy. He's pardoned, no? He got to be had a pardon. So dating back to

2014, I believe. How many people didn't die because of that? So if nothing happens there, there was a whole island of stuff happening here. And you were telling me earlier and it's scary to hear it, but it's also like, some of it feels very inarguable where you're saying, like, I, you told me, yeah, I've, I've watched a Banana Republic happen. And now I'm looking here, and I'm like, this is how it goes. This is how it goes. Like, how do you, how do you turn a country into a banana republic? You know, institutions get fucked. Mm-hmm. Yeah, cancel the police. Fuck the police. They're horrible. You know, you don't want to go off the cop. I've lived through some of that, you know, a lot of that. So, you know, the sins get bigger and bigger and the outings get larger and larger, but, you know, nobody...

There's no accountability for a certain class of people. And there's no options. No options. Yeah. It's like, who are you going to vote for in next elections? Right, right. Yeah. Like, who are our possible candidates for this next U.S. elections?

Yeah. I was having a conversation. My friend Will Tom's runs Rec Philly down in Philadelphia does a great job. there, but he was like, he's really smart guy and like big community guy and like focus on what you can what you can change right in front of you. But naturally, he's thinking about like the bigger picture here of how do we fix like this system. It feels rotted at the top. And I like to be an optimist and I like to say things can be fixed and maybe it just takes a really long time. But once I was like laying out each thing when he would ask me questions about some of the people I talked to and each layer that

would need to be corrected to get this back to some semblance of like what the guys in 1776 envisioned this to be. Even I was like, God damn, that's a 50 year project and 47 million things have to go right just to get 50% of the way there. And I don't, I do not like to be a downer. I don't love being a cynic, but some of it feels a little far gone. Like how do you get money out of politics? Good luck. How do you get? Super PACs. Yeah. But, Exactly. Like, how do you take away incentives when the people who have to vote on taking away the incentives by the hundreds, by the way, are people who are incentivized to not vote on taking away the incentives? Shout out to my friend Eddie Gallagher speaking about this, but he talked, he made a pretty solid point online. He was talking about this SF guy who was being prosecuted because he made a bet online around the Maduro arrest. And he says, like, yeah. That sounds like insider trading, which all of our, like a lot of our politicians do and nobody says anything about that.

Like what's what is this double standard going on? Yes. You see that on one hand. On my end, again, banana republic experience, you know, you see, you see members of the military that went through a generational war after 9-11. seeing the exit of Afghanistan. And I was with some of them as we were seeing some of those planes taking off. They're crying.

The waste of life. And like that's very demoralizing not only for the country, but for the youth. Who's, I mean, recruitment is not all down, all time low. A bunch of laws were changed recently about driving.

graphs and people are nervous about that because that is definitely something in the fore like I could see it out there. You're talking what? It would be everyone below age like 29 or something, like 18 to 29? Yeah. I don't know if I'm right about that. So we should check up like something like that. But a lot of things were like mysteriously, you know, just started shifting.

And what's going to happen when that goes on and we saw elements of this? with this Iran situation, like descent from all the way in the top. Like some high-level people said, like, hey, I've been here before I know where this goes. Can't be a part of this. And all along that, you have this global war going on, which people don't want to talk about the fact that we're probably in World War III already. You think we're already in it? Yeah. Via proxy war kind of deal?

Yeah. I mean, I have a lot of friends who are fighting on that Ukrainian front. Oh, you have friends that are a part of that? Yep. We trained a few people that went over there and trained them, and then we started seeing a lot of information coming from there as far as what they were seeing, some of the stuff that's going on right now, some of the latest and greatest augmentation and technology. kind of my specialty right now. And what I do a lot of security consulting around is warfare, specifically non-state actors figuring shit out against bigger opponents.

So at the start of this war, I'm like, oh, this is my bread and butter. So I sent some of my instructors out there, and we showed them from low means and low means medical management, trench warfare, hand-to-hand stuff. And just like mindset things, you know, How do you defend a city if you don't have a lot of military-grade equipment? You know, how to create barricades, how some of these cartel forces did their shit in Mexico.

That influenced some of that going on over there. And a lot of the drone pilots are pretty big fans of the brand that they have. There's a lot of these tattoos on some of those arms. These kids were just smoking vape pens and rooms with these headsets and are just racking up kills. You can't. The way you say that too. It's like a fucking... That's how these, that's how these, these,

drones are changing everything. And it's also desensitizing you to war because it's not... You're seeing, yeah, you're seeing all these... Yeah. So Russia, we just saw like a massive assault in Russia. I spoke at a conference about this. You were talking about thief? Is that the same thing?

I'm not sure you're talking about like they attacked that... Moscow. Yeah. And then they retaliated. Well, I spoke at a conference with like the head of cyber warfare for the army and I went through this big conference, military conference, and my whole participation there was speaking about non-state actors and how cartels and groups and small groups

that are arming themselves with some of these drones. And basically, the world introduced drones into warfare, and now everybody figure out, like, oh, it's like a democracy now. Like, all of us can fucking make drones. And, I mean, the Iranians are doing a pretty good job holding off the United States with pretty cheap technology with some of these drones. The Ukrainians are utilizing some of that technology against the Russians,

and they're back engineering all these things. And a lot of that technology is coming to Mexico. And a lot of that is now available online. I mean, I learned how to 3D print a drone and figure out all the release mechanisms on a drone as far as dropping things from a drone. 3D print it? You can 3D print the body of a drone

and just buy the components online and build your own drone. There's other scary things like programming math into a drone and having an AI in it and just having it to find a face and all that. I had two of those guys in here this year around those companies. So I think we're already in that World War III

and now what does Mexico have to do? Well, all this? It's a front. It's another front. It's a front from, it's a front where countries that are not specifically aligned with the U.S.'s interest

are trying to set a fire underneath the U.S.'s feet. And this is something the U.S. has realized so it needs to get a hold and the control of Mexico is the thing that I think I've realized about some of the policies and how it's shifting towards Mexico. And if a lot of people think this is a Trump thing,

this is a Trump administration thing, this is a US thing. It's like a cross the line thing. They realize that this, the next front in this probable World War III we're already living through isn't going to be, there might be a line in Europe, but that's going to be for the Europeans to fight. The next war that the United States is probably going to fight is going to be a continental war. And I think we're already in the starts of it.

Okay. I see where you're going, because a little bit ago before this tangent happened, you were talking about like the separation from NATO and things like that. And now like a potential at an odd time needing to cozy up with like Mexico and almost set off Western Hemisphere versus eastern hemisphere in a way. And that sounds like how you're painting the war itself. This is where we are. We're like Threndered Alwa members being blown up in their houses in Ecuador and joint military operations. You're seeing...

That was a joint military operation. Apparently the U.S. blew him up. I think the true social account posted that video of that. And all these boats being blown up in the ocean. Venezuela was the first domino to fall. Cuba's on its way probably. You think that's happening? I think the U.S. doesn't want to invest a lot into that,

so they're going to wait for the people in there to basically give up and make some cassettes and do like a Venezuela type, like, hey, we're going to give you this old 90-year-old brother of, you know, because that's, I think, that's, he got, yeah, Castro. And then they're all going to fall in line. And Mexico is probably part of that as well. How so? the people who are governing Mexico and all their interest and a lot of their political allegiance

specifically the person at that center, Andreas Manel-Lopez Ovidor, is part of the change that they need to clear out of the way so they can do, the United States can fulfill its international security interest in the continent. They need to control. They need to go back to the way things were. And again, this is not me saying it. This is not a theory. This is not Alex Jones talking about whatever, although he was right about a shit ton of things. This is the fact that, you know, the CIA had presidents in Mexico that they were backing and paying for for decades. And all of a sudden, we have two of them in the past two administrations.

There were clearly not CIA assets. Meaning a break. Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador and Claude Shema, are clearly not CIA backed or supported assets. or at least not supportive of U.S. interest in the continent. Or that's what they want you to think. Or maybe that's what they want us to think, and they're doing a pretty good job of hiding it. But, and that's kind of their saving race within the U.S. populace.

These guys are clearly not U.S.-backed CIA people, so we're going to support them, is why they're so supported and popular. That's got the front that they built for themselves. But that's also the 500 pound elephant in the room here in every one of these conversations because on the one hand we're talking about Mexico being declared a terrorist or did not Mexico. The cartels in Mexico being declared terrorist organizations and the U.S. can now take all these odd actions because of that. We see the literal vice president and president coming out and talking about reserving the right

to be able to take action in there when this is a high trading partner and there's a lot of stakes that you've just laid out very beautifully. But at the same time, like the elephant in the room being, we all know that our bureaucracy, meaning the people that are there before presidents and still there after they leave for decades, maybe not quite a century, but for decades, have been effectively moving the real chess pieces around on the board down there, including the very chess pieces that we're claiming the target and need to target with bombs now. You know what I mean?

So it's like it's a catch-22. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I look at it what is the purpose of some of these motions and movements. And I see a lot of emphasis on the northern part of the country. I see a lot of emphasis in governors that are governing in the areas where there would be strategic resource and industrial things that the United States might be interested in. And who is the person or the people? behind all these interests and why they're moving towards that. That's something that is beyond me. It's a high level. We can talk about the six letters maybe. I don't know. It's interesting for me, again, from the outside,

Banana Republic shit. In Mexico, there is an ongoing realization of how involved the six letters are in Mexico. We're referring to Israel in case that wasn't painfully obvious. Israel and Mossad both six letters. Yeah. They've been found out to, weaponry has been found in Mexico. They are involved in one of the biggest surveillance programs

in Mexico and technologies with Pegasus. Terrific. Which was, it's an old version. I mean, the stuff they have now is like completely different, but it's still a technology that they supply. This is the basically like can jail break right into anyone's phone without doing anything. That was the old one.

This is new and it's a surveillance. railing's apparatus that they are selling and they have installed in Mexico. They're currently going through a process in Mexico right now where they're, at the end of this month, if you don't have your biometrics tied to your phone, your phone is going to be cut. Wait, what? At the end of this month in Mexico, if your biometrics aren't installed on, aren't sent over to the phone line is going to be cut. What in the 1980 fucking four is that?

You tell me. The US goes down to Mexico and says, like, we need access to your biometrics. The president comes up and says, like, the US tests for us. We declined. But we're going to build the program where you collect all your biometrics anyway, because for our interest, you know. But as of next month, if your biometrics aren't, and a lot of people aren't going through with it, most of my family is like, fuck that. So they're not going to have a phone.

Well, they don't have prepaid phones there. there's ways of getting around but uh it's it's it's a shit show um there's a lot of suspicion around that and again it's growing it's growing yeah it's growing in mexico now i i've heard a lot of these stories and i think there was a viral clip of me talking about uh israeli training the cartels in mexico that i did i think i mentioned it on john ryan or something um what was the context there. The Ariano Felix cartel for a while hired Israeli specialist to go to places like where they operated and show them how to effectively do, you know, cartel hits and how to how to make oppressors for your guns so they don't sound, how to adequately train people how to shoot, how to carry

handguns concealed. The head body disposal guy, for the Sinaloa cartel in Tijuana, when I was active, the Posolero, the stewmaker in interviews. And I think somebody wrote a book about this, openly said, like, he learned this tradecraft from people who were trained by the Israelis. So is this, like, private intelligence companies of ex-guise? And I say that in huge air quotes.

Yeah, there's like a black cube and stuff like that. Or is it actual active special forces guys from Israel coming over? During the kickoff of the drug war, it was a gold rush of, security companies from all over the place coming into Mexico selling off their training, their equipment, their whatever. And the biggest ones of them all were all of them were former IDF, Israeli people coming in there selling bomb detention detection technology. A lot of it, some of some had bullshit equipment. Like they had these, uh, like they had these, uh, like what do they call them? People did take water with them, these rods that they cross. What a dousing rods I think are called? I have no idea. Dousing rods, I think it's, they're what they're called, but like, people can look this up. Bullshit technology sold to Mexicans to detect weaponry, like these dousing rods.

That they were, I think there was Israeli. I don't remember, but it was this. Is that like St. Fucking Anthony holding one of those? I'll see if I can find. I'll send it to you, but it's a, this technology was sold. It's supposedly like, it looks like dousing rods. you would walk and they would detect where people were hiding guns.

And it's total bullshit. Exactly. And a lot of it, like, dude, people made millions with that shit in Mexico because with all war, profit comes. And with all desperation, Felipe Calderon, I worked under his administration, part of that relation. No relation to Felipe Calderon. But I remember wearing that.

Felipe Calderon by the challenge. Oh, you're gonna say. Philippi Calderon started off, kicked off this drug war. And I don't think he was really ready for what happened. And I'm still questioning why he decided to do what he did. What makes you think he wasn't ready? It's just a total disaster right after. Yeah.

The bodies, does a stack of bodies and Mexico being on fire. Right now, Morena, like, Morena's main talking point is like, this is not the time of Philega Calderon where all these corrupt politicians were in play. Like Luna, who was his head of public safety, is the top cop in Mexico, who was decorated by the FBI, all of these fucking prizes and shudder like that for being this fucking amazing cop. And now he's in federal prison up here for being a cartel operative. Morena used to say like, well, Calderon had that guy. But now Morena has like 11 politicians on her.

a list with the same issues. So like we're we're chasing our tail now. That's what I'm saying. It just feels like a it's a cyclical thing. It's a cyclical thing. And I've set this before many times. Mexico has an issue with amnesia every six years. President comes in. Everything gets all of this was bad. We're going to do this new thing now. That shit in the money comes from the outside paying for technology, equipment, training, uniforms, vehicles. You wonder why cops in Mexico Always drive around in those big trucks And why is that?

Why would you Where else in the world have you seen The federal police drive around in trucks With people in the back sitting down And on the little benches exposed You think it might have something to do With some mortar companies Having a big giant deal with the Mexican government

To sell them vehicles? Yeah That's probably it Yeah If you kind of do the math on it So there's a lot of money in the war continuing. The Mexican military was put on the streets

by Philippi Calderon, and I remember him saying that, well, they're going to be out there for a while. Meanwhile, our police is going to be professionalized and we're going to get a hold of this federal police and all that. Well, the military is still out. And we've just seen the levels of corruption that they've engaged in some of the biggest money heist in Mexico. I mean, people talk about Almayo and old Chapaguzma.

this fuel theft that went on for for for for administration keep being right let's go like into the actual nitty gritty of it you said earlier there's like sea routes and stuff that this has been going on with obviously it's happening with the united states like that's where a lot of it's coming from but like what's the full picture here and what kind of scale from a monetary standpoint are billions billions billions and this is relatively new meaning like the last decade this is relatively new because people were installed that were willing to like go this way And again, this is like Morena administration, Amla administration people that we see.

That's who's involved. That's at least who we've seen involved at the top. This guy who was on a run that went to Argentina, that he came from that Andres Manuel Lopez over the administration. The military was given this ginormous power in Mexico to fight the cartels. And now we realized it in a lot of ways

they became their own cartel. And we talk about the Zetas. Now it's a small version of probably what they're now. Right. So where are we going with all of this? Mexico and Mexican citizenship is afraid of a U.S. invasion. Like it is afraid. You'll see people supporting it on the right side of the political spectrum.

And they're like, Lili Thay is a Mexican politician. She speaks openly about this. She wants a U.S. invasion? They want U.S. participation to come in. And they want them to arrest all these corrupt politicians because they're on the losing side of the politics in Mexico. So they're about to try this late, this governor governor governor of, uh, and Coelah of, uh, not not Coelah.

Um, not the one we pulled up earlier. Yeah. Yeah. That one. They want to try her for, for treason. Um, so it's, it's infighting that what are they trying to figure out? I mean, it's, oh, you know what I forgot to ask on that? This was back when we pulled this up towards the beginning of the podcast.

but if that lady did in fact know and dealt with people within underneath her as they're alleging that ended up being CIA, like let's say, you know, you're that person that walks in the office and says, hey, lady, by the way, I work for CIA. What could she have even done about it? Reported it, maybe? Yeah, like, before she even reports it, she's probably dead. Probably. I was like, hey, there's like CIA is working here, dismantling drug labs with my state police. Like is, who do I talk to?

I mean, the federal police, maybe the state federal prosecutor, but she is on the opposite side of the political spectrum. So that's like Newsom going to Trump over something going on in, in her home state. Well, you talk about banana republic shit. That's something we didn't say either the lawfare of the last decade that's going on across the parties here. this is the shit you see in all these other countries with more failed-ish-type governments and stuff where they do political retribution using the courts in prison. And it's like, to be clear, I don't ever like the idea of someone being above the law

or something like that. But the precedent of going after people, you need to have a high, I'm going to invent a term here, but like burden of need of action to do it. Meaning like, listen, I don't like James Comey a little bit, but some seashells on the beach, that's below the line. You know what I mean? Like, he's an asshole, but the precedent's worse, I think. And this, you know, you're seeing, now this is an example, maybe this lady is totally on the take and is actually a traitor and was like excited the CIA was working, in which case, like, that's really bad.

But other examples, it's like, you know. There's a lot of that right now. Again, on the right of political spectrum in Mexico, which is the losing side, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the. the party that Calderon originally was a part of, they're shouting for intervention. They're shouting for the U.S. to come in and save the day. And that's like, that's another side of the argument down there. Are they right?

I wouldn't, I wouldn't, I wouldn't, I wouldn't go about fucking asking them in like that because of the history that some of the things that things have. And sovereignty is a thing. Although it apparently hasn't, Mexico hasn't been a sovereign nation for decades. although it wants to think of itself, except for the past two administrations. I think that's when it has exerted sovereignty with Andres Manilopis-Ovizor and we cloud shame on. At least they're expressing some sovereignty and we can be pretty sure that they weren't on the CIA take because now they're being attacked by U.S. interests.

So are you defining sovereignty as the ability as the ability to govern yourselves and make your own decisions as a country? Yeah, but not say that you're on the payroll or actively in discussions within other countries, I don't know, intelligence apparatus as to what actions you should take. Specifically with the United States. Right. Because that's what all these populous governments across Latin America have happened.

You know, they start not supporting the United States and they become really popular because some people realize that the United States might not be in their best interest or have a long history of them not supporting the right people and the right policies, except the policies that benefit the United States itself. And that leaves many marginalized communities and people out they're in the win.

But also look at the timing, too. I was thinking about this earlier. You said Obradore, that's how you say his name? Yeah, Obradador. He became president in 2018, which means he's like running and rising to power, I guess, in like 2017 campaigning. Just look around the world. Start post-global financial crisis.

Here we have Tea Party and Occupy, right? Right and left, but they're both populist. Yep. And then you look over in Europe where there's all kinds of. migration issues and arguments over that. You see a massive rise of populism that even has like Brexit happen. And then all these other governments like the Marine Le Penz get a big following. Obviously, she's losing elections in France, but like the fact that someone like that with some of the things she says getting that bigger percentage of the population, something's happening there.

And then you look all across South America. And there's the rise of that populism in this case, more left-leaning or whatever. But point being like, regardless of what's less. left and right around the world, the movement of like the people being separated from an ever shrinking size but increasing amount of money, elite class, wherever it is in the world and how, whatever form it takes, whether it's a, you know, to quote Omar from the wire, I got a shotgun, you got a briefcase. So whether it's a cartel or fucking Bill Gates run in a company with billions of dollars like that class structure separation and the political blowback or, like, you like burgeoning pipe bomb that's forming from that in the form of populism, I still don't think

we've even seen a slight amount of the dynamite explosion there that could be happening in the future. But all these people that came up and were from that wave, the Evo Morales, the Andres Manuel Lopez-Ovador, the Maduro's, you know, the people in Cuba, you know, they're all of them are like, they're on the chopping block. the communist ones. Again, like communist, socialist. I mean, can we say that the Cubans, the Cuban government is that?

It's a giant corporation fucking with, their kids are living in the US. A lot of them were living in the US. But they're in charge. But they were, they're working, they were working and have been supported by the people because they are openly saying like, we're against the American Devils.

But realistically, they're like... But you could make the same argument with like Soviet leadership and saying the same kind of thing, right? And it's not to say like America's like, you know, fucking saints or anything like that. It's not the argument. I'm just saying like, what do the Pete,

what is the average rank and file person in a country like that have as a quality of life? Yeah. That's an interesting thing you say about America's not a saint. It isn't. It isn't. It isn't. It isn't a saint.

name a country out there that is though there isn't one well so uh nobody's like one of the best pieces of advice my mom ever gave me and it's changed my life nobody's against you there for themselves yes you learn that and you live a easier life that's a bar um the united states is for itself and we you and me and everybody here is a part of that in one way, shape, or form. And what is going on right now is a challenge of that. Is the United States in the decline? I've seen the U.S. in the 80s and the 90s as a visitor,

and now in the 2000s as a citizen here. And I could tell you, yeah, I see it. Right now it is. I agree. I see it. Now, what does that mean? Should we go off to war again? Like, should we, like, what is the response to that? Like, how do we get out of that decline?

Well, I think people in power at the highest levels are saying, like, we're scrambling to try and figure out how to maintain that. And I think it's clear that, yeah, the United States has a decline in a lot of ways, but it still has a pretty insane military. That is... We do. But it still probably lost a war with the Iranians, though, with that military power. Look at all the wars we've lost. It's not because we lack the military talent or resources. It's also not because we lack the talent of the planners in the military.

It's because we have fucking interests here and people here in back rooms who haven't even seen a fucking call a duty battlefield who decide to make decisions that make absolutely no sense and put our guys in the worst possible scenario or just straight up, you know, lift up and pull out of Afghanistan and leave all the fucking weapons behind just to not only take an L but make the L six times bigger. Yeah. It's fucked, man. Yeah. So this conversation about Mexico is about survival. And like independently of what the United States and the rhetoric is around the government, be it narco-terrorism, be it fentanyl, be it organized crime, human smuggling and all this, all of this. Realistically, the efforts put forth by the United States and the continent, I think, are about survival. the world is global globalism is ending like the u.s patrolling yeah the u.s patrolling the oceans and like

guaranteeing the straight of four booze and guaranteeing safety like sending its millet that shit is going away i think but it won't be that sucking sound won't have someone else fill the role you don't think you think it'll just be a series of isolationist ideas where everyone goes back to policing themselves. Well, going back to like theory and I don't know. For me, China is not going to be it. No way. They never fought a war outside of their continent.

Taiwan is right there and they're kind of figuring that out. They have two like aircraft carriers. Yeah, they can build a lot of ships and a lot of fucking weird sand islands and shit like that. But so what? Their population is declining. There's a giant cities that are empty. Yeah, they have a lot of capabilities and shit like that.

but I don't see them being the world police. I think they're more about themselves. Who else is out there? Russia? Look at the GDP perspective, Russia's not even, you know, it's not to say they don't do things that you're not like, all right, that's not great. But like, from a GDP perspective,

they're similar to the size of Italy, which means they're not on the map when it comes to China and the US. So it's not in Russia? The Germans? What about India? Two billion people? Nah.

No. Not them. No. Not them. They try. They will try, probably, but not them. I don't know. Like, who's there?

You know, who is there? Who's behind the Ukrainians? You know? Who's in Europe? Yeah. The Germans? The Germans are arming up again. Like, everybody's fucking getting back into a war footing.

That's nice. And we have a state actor in the form of the six letters in the middle of the Middle East. like picking battles. Yeah, just pissing everybody off. So there's no world police coming. Like I think that those days were over. I think this was the last foray into that as far as like, you think there's going to be another U.S. intervention in Iran some sort like this

or like maybe some sort of intervention somewhere out there. I think the U.S. is done with that type of stuff for now. I hope so. I think it's going to focus on its own continent though. You really believe that. It's already happening. It's already happening. It's already happening. From this week?

I mean, we're already seeing Venezuela. Cue was probably on the line. All we needed to do was to get rid of this background noise, which is Iran. And I think we're going to see some fireworks. But if you retreat too much, right, and you retreat into your own continent, you still have the issue of like the fact that so much of global financial trade has been settled in the dollar, which despite all the fucking damage we've done to our own dollars through printing money and shit like that it's still it's still the king at the moment but if you do pull out and go from and

again i'm obviously the fortest thing from an interventionalist but if you go full blown isolation it's just from like a global stage of like participation whether that mean leaving nato leaving some certain trade partnerships and things like that you could risk long term you know losing the spot of the dollars top currency which you and me don't know a world where that's the case. No, I've never lived in a world where that isn't,

the dollar isn't at the center. But we might be moving towards that, though. But then America's not America. It still has a military that can blow up most of the other militaries. The military's backed by the U.S. dollar, though. It's backed by other things. I don't know about the dollar.

I think it's backed by the U.S.'s ability to control resources. the U.S.'s ability to control what goes where, specifically, the U.S. is in a very strategic place. I mean, it's a pretty good thing to be in the place where there's oceans. Yep. Yeah.

But if you can't, to control resources, though, you need to control the money. Or am I thinking about that too simply? I think you're thinking about it too simply. You need to control who controls. And I think that's what we're seeing here in this list. Yeah, you only got the page two in your notebook here. Yeah. What's in the other fucking 600?

pages a bunch of like uh things from my group therapy sessions okay but i i think i think i think uh i think we're probably i think that's where we're probably heading where the where the u.s retracts into this continent it figures out resources here it regroups it figures out figures out a new china in because that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's the next china mexico michigan in michigan the the only issue with mexico being the next china is its lack of ability to process resources. It doesn't have that realistically. China does.

It makes its own shit and makes it makes its own aluminum and titate, all that shit. It just figures it out. We don't have that in Mexico. And I think, but how could you create that in Mexico? Well, first you have to stabilize it. And who's in the way of that? It's criminal organizations. Unless you work with them.

Or you work with one of them to disrupt all of them. and then eventually make your way to the government, which is supporting some of them, and now you have your own government there, and now the cartels are gone. So are you saying it's Sinolawa that they would choose as the horse there? It's where all... Still TBD.

It's where it all started with the abduction of El Mayo Sambada, and it's probably where it's going to end if they hand over the governor of Sinaloa, and hopefully that's where it ends, or else they're going to have to go. after our Maduro, our figurehead. I'm going to come back to the El Metro thing because there's still a lot there that we got off. But the El Mayo thing, because you and I talked about this last time.

It was about at the time, I think maybe seven, eight months after it had happened when we talked in March 2025. But is that has there been, have you seen any more information or picked up on any more information surrounding that since then that makes you I don't know change your opinion on what that was you touched on it earlier that there's some sort of intelligence involvement for sure and also involvement of like you know a tit for tat with el chapo's kids but is there anything else we're missing there that we should be looking at um the extradition of el raton uh the first brother of the chapo guzman said was responsible for the uh the kule canaso being arrested and finally captured by the mexican government extradited to the united states and then probably some sort of deal being done with the United States

that shielded most of his family members who were then secretly flown to Tijuana, then crossed into the United States, and given protective custody. Why did they have to be, where were they flown to Tijuana from? From Tina Lua or from Wala Harah where they were hiding. They were hiding somewhere. Got it.

They're probably not sitting in Lua. Most of them went to hiding in Wala Harra in Mexico City, I think. I'm not sure where they were flying from, but they went to Tijuana and they were crossed in with all their suitcases. It was a whole spectacle. There's some pictures of them online, but there seemed to have reached the deal there. And the deal was, hey, immunity, protective custody, and will help you figure out how to do what, you would say, eliminate this in a law cartel? No, a bunch of indictments for politicians. came out of that.

So I think they're key there. Sinaloa is key and the chapitas are key there. Now, the remaining brothers out there are Chivaldo and I don't remember the other guy's name. The remaining brothers out there are being rumored to have been trying to negotiate their own surrender and deals with the United States. They're on the run. They're being dismantled by the Mexican government.

You know, that's who's targeting them specifically. And we just had the Harfush, which is the head of that new police force in Mexico, come out and say that the alliance between the new generation cartel and the Chapitos is over because a lot of the people were in charge of that, including El Mention or dead. So that's gone. So you can see that the Mexican government is targeting the Chapitas specifically. are they aware maybe that they're being utilized by the U.S. and the U.S. interest as a proxy? Meaning like the soldiers on the ground. Yeah. Yeah.

I don't know. It's interesting that that's who's getting decimated. Do you have sources in there, like any good sources? Obviously, you're not going to say who they are, but I'm saying, like, do you have, in the last two years, have you had a chance to speak with someone that's at least in some position to know something? I'm not saying, like, a top guy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I hear things about around them.

And they're, yeah, they're on the wrong. They're on the run. They're on the, they're on their back door. Yeah. They're on their back legs. His head of security was grabbed. A bunch of family members were grabbed. I think they almost caught him last year.

I'm talking about Archivaldo, the head of the chapitos. They're on the run. And like, again, okay, so they're on the run because those Mayos, the family of El Mayo with some bother after them for vengeance. Clearly, they have, they're motivated. Then the Mexican military is targeting mostly them specifically, although some of this targeting has happened to those Mayos. And you see this airport bombing of these two individuals,

and one of them is cartel aligned and his allegiances with the Mayos. And if this was a CIA operation, why they'd target a Mayo guy, not a Sinola Chapel guy. So it's it, I don't know, it's like, you start seeing all these lines. I don't know. It seems like there's, the Mexican government is supporting one side of this organization and the U.S. side might be making deals and some sort of effort to disrupt and to manifest its interest within Mexico through some of these organizations. Do you see any scenario where like the El Mios faction and the Chapitos faction recongregate at some point? There's no way. Totally ship is sailed, right?

There's no way. Bad blood. The worst of the sins. The worst of the sense. Collaboration is the worst of the sins amongst them. I don't see that happening. I do see them coming out as a survivor. I see the Mayos being in a pretty strategic place where they could probably weather this out and get smaller

and maybe fragment into smaller regional groups that don't really deal in the whole transnational thing anymore. So what would that? So what would their business look like? Just like the Gamora, the Italian Gamora, like some like a mafia, like a localized organized crime element. That's what most of these organizations are probably going to turn into. Growers and local smugglers to take it to somewhere bigger and then hand it off. Yep. Interesting. The whole the whole head of the cartel guy and all this openly moving around with trucks and that's, I think that's that's on its way out. Yeah. So you use this phrase or, earlier, we're going through a mass extinction event. Yeah. With cartels in general. With cartel heads and people who are very public and a lot of notoriety for being cartel head is what you're seeing ending.

And maybe there's some shadowy figures out there who are heads of giant cartels they don't see, but all of them are being outed and targeted. So it's... You don't think the styles could change? Because, like, that, by the way, that's what made El Mayo so effective for so long because he was so quiet. He was known from the old days, but... I think the style's already changed. That's why you have an American as the head of the new generation cartel. Or at least that's what they want you to think.

Or at least that's what they want you to think. Right. Although they've caught some of them up here. And I think, again, like a lot of the rhetoric out there is like Mexico, build the wall, keep that shit down there. Don't bring it up here. But it's been up here. Growing. I mean, it's quieter.

They're not as overt up here. But it's here. Yeah, because, like, you know, I'm picturing the imagery in my head. And when I think mass extinction event, I think exactly what it is, which is that I'm just going to throw round numbers out. Let's say you got, you know, 10 million people operating as active people in the cartel across the cartels, the different factions and groups across Mexico, you know, suddenly that goes down to 500,000, 10 years from now.

That would be like an extinction level event to me. I haven't heard like scenarios where that's realistic. And even in hearing you talk today, the way everything is is that people, young kids are being recruited and that's what it is. But you're looking at it from if there's no more major, I don't know, figurehead cult leader. Yeah. If you will, just not having that as like a propaganda tool is a mass extinction event. of itself. I don't understand how it is. Not having the figureheads being supported by politics, local federal government. There's a pushback against that now, so they can't have that support,

so they're going to have to hide a bit more. Again, Durango is a pretty good example of this. They're hiding in the fucking mountains right now. Durango? And Durango, there's a giant military operation right now, but it's Toribora, man. It's high, see it's a golden triangle. It is. What's going on there? Can you explain it? Uh, there, it's a massive military operation around the area and they're blocking roads to try and cut out cut cut off resources to that feed these cartels that to which cartels uh remnants of the scene of long cartel that are hiding out out there uh but they they they go in through mines and like there's caves and can we pull us up on a map this is like torra bora you said i actually posted a video on my instagram account and it's like an aerial view of this place so you can see it i think that's that's probably going to be what's going to be in the news in the next few months as far as like uh yeah every Everyone go follow Ed down below. We'll put the link to his Instagram. That's an aerial view of some of the golden triangle.

Whoa. Oh, this is like, no, this is like literally like Toribora. Yeah, there's been like a lot of flooding. And so there's just cartel people living in these. You'll see, you'll see some of the cave systems in a bit. Cave systems. Like, look, here's one of them. That's how they, like, how, where are they hiding their cars?

Oh, they put them in mine shaft. Holy shit. Yeah, that's... Who are the construction companies to get these fucking contracts? I mean, they're probably old mines that they just realized. And Mexico, Mexican Army

doesn't have a mountain division. So we just have special forces and they basically get sent for everything. Those guys, just by seeing their equipment are not equipped to go in there, but that's who's getting, going to head in there.

Jesus Christ. I think that's going to be the next open front in Mexico. that some of these rural mountain reactive open front. They're surrounding it right now they're not going in there

because they know it's I mean people who are in the military and people who went through Afghanistan can tell you more than I can about that type of warfare it's not an easy place specifically since they've been lived there grew up there, know all the towns,

know all the places, know all the holes ambushes are going to be everywhere and eyes in the sky are not going to do you any good in that place. So I'm not saying they're unstoppable or undefeatable, but it's not going to be an easy battle. That's the thing, though, it's like when you look at the history over the last four or five decades, the cartels, they always find a way to adjust.

Yeah. They've always found a way to get literally more powerful. They adapt. They adapt. At the beginning of my career, they would dress like federal agents and move around in big trucks in the middle of the city in Tijuana. And then they got freaked out by the fact that we started utilizing kind of guerrilla tactics against them. So they shifted to taxi cabs and lower profile vehicles and they basically just shifted and all of a sudden they're harder to find. So yeah, it's like a hammer trying to get a fly.

They're always shifting. But I think right now what we're seeing is that whatever that classic cartel, organization that you grew up with watching narcos mexico or just seeing some of the sinaloa stuff in el chapa guzman meeting sean penn and kate el castillo and mountains and all that shit that's i think that's what's what's going away i think a lot of this stuff is going to evolve into smaller fractionalized groups that are controlling their areas this is an example of it they're pretty cut off right now but they have they have stockpile weapons there they can hold out there for I don't know how long.

How many men do you think a faction like that in the in the mountains has? Ballpark. Tens of thousands. But that's like a small faction? Yeah. But, but you, well, so you think all of them are going to have a gun? Some of them are going to be women.

They're going to feed some of these men. Some of them are going to be transport related. Some of them are going to be municipal police officers or state police officers that are on the take. Still a huge tribe. A ginormous tribe. And that's the issue. Like, you think these men and women, and again, God bless them.

I know many members of the Mexican Special Operations, some of the best warfighters in the world, because they get a lot of experience. They don't get the praise that they deserve. They're amazing people, some of them. Sadly, they are in a war against themselves, which is one of the worst wars to be at. A war against themselves.

Yeah. When I speak to some of my friends in my therapy, group. Some of them went to war in Afghanistan and Iraq and they fought people that didn't speak their same language and didn't have their same faith. And then they came home. These guys are fighting in their own country, shooting at people that speak their same language that pray to the same Catholic at the same Catholic church that they do. The damage that's being done internally and generationally there is pretty wild. But they're there. not the heroes in that story when they arrive there. Yeah, some of the citizenship is going to be

pretty happy about the fact that some of these cartel guys are going to be like laying low and not robbing people, not extorting people. Yeah, there's a lot of that. But also some of these cartel members have their families there and the extortion money goes to them and some of the schools. So there are enemies there. And that's another factor of this war that a lot of people just don't realize some of these large cartels and some of these communities are funded and fed by these cartels. So when the army comes in there and disrupts that, they become the enemy. And they inspire a lot of these kids to go into the same line of work. Yes.

So again, as you said, this is cycle. Yes. And I think at least what I see now with the current administration and what it's doing, the cycle hat is going to end, though. It for the reasons behind it might not be the best ones the way it's being done the interventionism in another country might not be the most ethical thing ever But you have to realize that change is happening yes a guy that who was untouchable a few years back Got murked by the Mexican special operations after they land in his backyard Oh, which and he had a lot

leisure just like this one where he had this amount of thousand for the federal police to watch my back this amount of thousand for the military to watch my back so you have to hand it to whoever was in charge of this operation despite all that they went in there and they fucking put a bullet in his head now we never saw the body we have like there's a there's like an Osama bin Laden element to this story of all mention and I have to have to say or else I just had Rob's sitting right there. The guy shot him. Shout out Rob. He's a cool guy. I follow him online. Funny.

Funny dude. That's how you can tell. I do believe he shot him too. I know people have like argued about that. Yeah. I believe him. We never saw Mencho's body. Right. Is, is one thing that, you know, and there was a whole thing around his body. then there was a giant funeral for him which I think the roses were like you can get them in the area

because they covered his Yeah you were saying it was like a month without roses in the area It's insane they just Every day they would just cover his grave Propaganda is important But you would say like hey You just you just killed Bin Laden of Mexico

Right And then all of his cartel family That has warrants showed up to the funeral And nobody did anything So is anything really changed That's what I'm saying And that whole thing was fishy. Just real quick before I go to that, because I don't want to lose this point.

But then we'll come right back to that because that's really important. I've had that question held up all day. But with the mass extinction event, now that you've explained it, I don't know if I'm misreading this in my head, but what it feels like to me based on that whole idea that you're like, okay, now long term without the figureheads is going to boil down into just a bunch of factions and more tribes. it feels less like mass extinction and more like trust busting. Yeah. Right?

Yeah. So like think standard oil and then it turned into all these different oil companies that actually grew in power over time. There's just more of them. Yeah. Yeah. That's one. Also, a lot of them are just going to go into legitimate businesses of various kinds. You know, marijuana legalization in Mexico is in a process that has been taken years.

Vapes are federally illegal in Mexico. they're federally illegal yeah interesting so everybody based so there's already kind of the settings of some of this drug trade being legalized and then some of these people just going into legitimate business you know the mafia got disappeared here because they went into construction and into politics that's right they did a nice job and looks good and in mexico that's the same thing they went into tequila they went into politics and but is that just how they laundering money because they still do all the other shit? I think they're always going to do the other shit.

They're just not going to do it at the volume that they have, and they're just not going to be their own government as they have been. Got it. Again, in the past, you would see El Mancho and Halisco, and you wouldn't, you, the government would be like, the government was afraid to go after. Right. Because he was governing there. And if they don't believe that, once they killed them, most, a lot of Mexico burned because

they told their soldiers that govern in these areas to go and burn shit. So you have that level, I think, is going away. Right. That's what's going away. The amount of firearms and bullets and everything like that coming into the country, unless the United States is ready to do a naval blockade of everything coming in and out of Mexico, that's probably not going to go away as well. And unless the United States decides to change, it's a gun rights. And people want to sacrifice that somehow and get rid of all the millions of guns. So this shit is going to still go on. And also, like, technology is going to change.

Like, it's already as. It already is. CNC machines can manufacture an AR-15 in a room somewhere. A lot of the rifles that are being found in some of these cartel hands, 3D printed. or made. Like some of them are now going that route. They're holding off whole military battalions by dropping bomblets

on them from, you know, drones. So it's modifying itself. Yeah, shifting. I think where we're headed is the whole classic El Chapo, El Mancho, El Mayo figureheads governing a whole region and just leading through fear. that's the sim it's fading away it's like thano snap are they going away it's criminality and

violence in Mexico going away fuck no fuck no but that is leading through fear the way I understand it I mean it's it's uh turning a giant criminal organization they would govern a region and it would blow up helicopters in this guy that tried to arrest them it's turning them into a smaller groups that are harder to see that are more infiltrated or more entwined into everyday life it's uh it's them getting into legitimate businesses is then getting into other types of things that might not draw the attention of a u.s government but again i don't think this is about drugs and cartels i think this is about regime change that's what this is all regime change yeah the united states wants to put people in power in mexico that it can go back to the way things were in the 70s and 80s

And that could include people that are now doubling as legitimate businessman who used to be. Could be. I mean, they did put a guy in charge he used to run al-Qaeda in Syria, so I guess it's not out of the possibility. And they invited him to talk about like surreal. Talk about surreal shit? Yeah. He seems like a nice guy. Seems like, you know, likable.

Likeable terrorist. Like a cool watch. I say that tongue in cheek, obviously. Smiling in people, cool watch. Like all respect to them. I don't know. I've met people like that, I guess, in my own way in a different part of the world. And I know who is going to, like, that's a great question. Like, if they do a Venezuela in Mexico, which I think that's where we're going, probably, it doesn't make sense to take out Claudia

where she is. Right. And again, I don't think she's targeted. I think it's going to be more about changing the whole Morena movement and shifting it to something that is more aligned with the U.S. interests. That's right. And I don't see them putting in a strongman in there. There's one name that sounds a lot as far as the next presidential election in Mexico. Who's that? Omar Garcia Harfush.

Omar Garcia Harfush. Yeah. It's a hard name. Omar Garcia Harfush. Sounds like a fucking terrorist from Trump. 24. He came out of the, that's him. He seems to be doing an amazing job. Secretary of Security and Citizen Protection of Mexico. He's doing an amazing job. He's doing a pretty good job. Citizen protection? Well, he's taken down a lot of high-level

cartel guys. Okay, that's good. He's doing, he's in charge of those swarm operations going after local governments and arresting municipal police officers and municipal and municipal governors he they try the the the four the four letters the new generation cartel tried to assassinate him at one point in Mexico City when he was in charge of security in Mexico City proper he is at the head of all federal operations right now in in Mexico apparently intelligence-wise and he's the strongman of Mexico people call him batman and yeah and ladies swoon over this guy i mean he's a good looking dude he's a good looking dude there's like uh and i think he i think he's on his way to being the next president of mexico

and i think he fits what the united states would like well how would you describe his act his personal politics like can you put him in a box there no he's a he's a he's a career he's a career cop like he made made his name in the federal police. He went through some of the same training that I went through. He had family members in politics and he was in, he had influential family. That's who's been basically got, that's who probably got him into some of the positions that he's had. He was named as somebody involved in the disappearances of those students, those normalista students way back. But I don't think he had any direct participation in.

He was just in the room with some of the people that were. he's a key figure he's a strong guy is your age too do you know guys you know him yes i do yeah what do they say about him they trust them with their lives really yep that's a good sign it's again i i think that's what we need in mexico right now you thought you want to talk about true change how do you change mexico from within well you get a career guy like that guy who's actually seen everything from the inside you get somebody that's actually been involved and successful policing operations and operations related to public safety who was actually changed things in Mexico. That guy's changing shit. All right, not to be a cynic, but how does a guy like

that not get killed on the way to getting office by people who don't want him or once he actually gets to office not get completely undermined by other people around him who are not operating on the same team? There's no way. And yeah, he has a giant target on his back. Right. Yeah, I agree with you how does you do it i have no idea uh right now he is in a very hard spot because he is basically next to the president of mexico uh he is a man who has to toe the line as far as the political rhetoric and everything that's happening totally line yeah with her like with what she okay got and uh but i've heard some of my american friends who have back to the interacted with him uh say he's like they like him here in the u.s

The Americans, like some of your Navy SEAL guys? Some of the people that I talk to, like them, and who are involved in decision-making, like them. Las-trace, Lettress? No, not Lest-Rest-Rest-Letres. But some people who are involved in politics and decision-making, like them, I don't know. I think he's probably in the running.

There's no other name out there sounding as far as the next president of Mexico. And we're still ways off off-off elections, but keep an eye on this. if he gets put into the cabinet position of Secretariat de Govierre de Governazio, which is basically our vice presidency. Oh, wow. If he gets placed there, he's in the running.

Yeah, because he's next in line. He's the next in line. That's my predictions, one of my predictions. I guess I'll pull it out there. You've got a lot of good predictions over the years. If you run the tape like on your old Rogan podcast in like 2018, 2019, I think it was 2019 where you did both of those. And then you run again last year.

but like a lot of the shit you said was yeah strangely tracking yeah august i said on the on on that rogan show i said somewhere in the hills of felisco some shit's going to go down i thought the americans were going to be it but you know they were at least with the drone in the eye and the sky um i think i think he's in the running um now is that going to change anything i think things are already changing mexico and the government right now right in mexico right now is under pressure to make the all the changes now. That's why they're going so hard off all these people. That's why they probably went after Lamentio directly, even took that hit. Think about it. They went after Lamentia right before the World Cup in the state where some of those games

are going to be held. That doesn't sound like a political decision. That sounds like a desperate decision by some people in charge or somebody in charge at a high level saying, you know what, will take the hit. Cleaning up the streets before all the people come in? Maybe. But why would you catch? Like Mexico was on fire before the World Cup. That's what I'm saying.

Like the opposite effect. Yeah. But apparently the World Cup's going pretty well. People are liking it. There's a bunch of violence. There's schools with dirt floors in Mexico. There's a lot of horrible shit that money could be put forth. But like, you know, soccer.

Yeah. Soccer. Football. You called it a disgraceful event or something earlier? I hate... You're not a fan? I hate fucking... I hate all that shit.

Why? It's predatory. It's predatory. Yeah, FIFA is a corrupt institution, predatory institution. I mean, there's a lot of documentaries on that. But like the actual FIFA seems to suck for short. But like the actual event of like a lot of different countries coming together and like Kumbayan over sport a little bit, you're not into that?

The Iranian team is staying in Tijuana my hometown right now because they can't stay in the U.S. It's cool. But it's being utilized as a political tool by Moraena's to say like, hey, they can stay here in Mexico where they're safe. if they didn't want to stay in the United States. And if you go to the hotel where they're staying at, there's a Chinese flag, Iranian flag,

and a Mexican flag outside, which is, like, pretty interesting to see. So it's politics there. One of the things that really caught Mike, every now and then I'll go out with some of the Madres Buscadores. The who?

Madres Buscadores. There are organizations across Mexico where they're basically looking for the bones of their children that have been missing for years. So they look for, they're basically mothers who organize in search parties

to look for the bodies of their missing kids. I can't even begin. If anybody wants to see the effects, just go down there and if everyone wants to support like an actual good cause. What's the name of that again? Las Madres Buscadores.

And it's like, it's a name that basically a lot of organizations use out there. Yes, some of them have been compromised and used for political means and shit like that. I get it. Morena doesn't like those women calling them out constantly about the fact that they not only inhibit their searches sometimes, but they don't send any protection with them.

One of those Madres Luscaladores actually went to the president and said like, hey, they're trying to kill me. And then they did. So. Looking for their kids' bones. For their bodies. They'll go around dirt, dump sites with, with steel probes, poke them in the ground.

And if it comes out smelling like body, we dig. Wallets, shoes are found and documented IDs. A lot of them were setting up protest in Mexico City around the World Cup because of, I mean, like, how can we be in a jubilant celebration where there's thousands of people missing? Yeah. and where there's industrial level body disposal and mass graves being found. Like that's their, and I'm with them. And the president of Mexico comes out

and mockingly says that they're being utilized as political ploy to make the Morena party look bad. Fuck that. It's because it's like, how are we dedicating all these resources to this soccer event when there are women who are like fainting in the sun without any sort of police protection, going into some of these horrible fucking places,

getting shot at sometimes, for simply looking for a body to bury. That's what I don't understand on my end. It's crazy. When I started my career, and it's a story I've told a few times, and it's like, it communicates everything about Mexico

and my experience there. Mexico is a beautiful place. It has amazing people, Not all of Mexico is bad. Not all Mexicans or cartel members or anything like that. Just like not all Americans are the Therletters. You know, there's like good people on both sides and people that just want to be fucking left alone. They want to have the ability to make the best lives from themselves and their kids and just not be fucking harassed, extorted, taxed, fucking all that shit.

I get it. We're very much alike as a country with a lot. I see the similarities between both of us. we've been told this whole story about being separate like dude we're we're the same um when I start my career they told me like hey let's go

get the bullcutters I was like fucking excited about it it's like oh fuck we're on a raid should I take the battering ram no just the bullcutters first thing I did in my career was cut a kid down from a bridge who was hung

with some electrical wire with a sign on him some sort of vengeance from one cartel to the other. While I was cutting him down, we put a truck underneath him so the body wouldn't fall. We're doing a favor because one of the guys that I was working with was banging one of the forensic women. Weird fucking sorry of that, but I was there doing that. It's like, fuck. What the fuck am I into?

We're slowly trying to let this body down. It just flops down. Family shows up. You can dehumanize. And I got some of that programming during my training. We're like, you know, fuck those people, those Mugrosos, the bad guys, malandros. I bought into all that shit as programming. But at that moment, like that was a red pill for me.

That fucking changed it. The women that showed up, I think, were mothers and sisters. this body that I was treating as a thing that I was just annoyed with was the most valuable thing to them son brother life gone yeah um I went over to my friend and I said like fuck that this is the cruelest thing I've ever seen somebody do to a human being and he turned to me and it's like you're dumb that is an act of kindness an act of kindness yeah

at least they have a body to bury Mm. That is a low bar. But that's what we have down there sometimes. Yeah. We are horrified about that, but we've normalized it for years. You'll hear, you'll see somebody get shot across the street. You'll look, you'll duck, and you'll finish eating your tacos and then step over the body.

And I'm glad it wasn't me, you know. We are, we have normalized this shit for decades. And, you know, Mexican normal in some places is an absurd normal. Yeah. And there's some horrific shit that happens up here that horrifies me. You know, you talk about being afraid of cartels. I'm afraid of a weirdo showing up at a school. Yeah.

Yeah. You talk about people smuggling and child trafficking. And we're standing in the country that is the consumer of most of that. Yep. We talk about drugs and proliferation of violence in Mexico, but then we're in the place that consumes a lot of that and then sends a lot of those guns down there as well. Yes.

So we're, this is like a very toxic relationship with we have going on. We need each other more than we would, than we're being led on to think. Both of our countries are tied to the hip, genetically yeah yes there's been a I think I don't remember there's like a viral ad where they were talking to some people in Texas were pretty adamant about them being American and not Mexican at all and all them got DNA tested and they all had some Mexican in them you know

it is a travesty I think that we have been led into this position where you know there's a you know I'm all about I'm all about I'm all about people with the rule of law and just people, you know, being able to live. Most Mexicans that come up here, you know what their dream is? They go back home. Yeah, to make a better life, be able to send money home and then make enough that they can actually make the life where they came from. Yeah, a lot of them. But why can't they, though? It's because when, if they go back home or they hear news from

back home. What are they going back to? Yeah. So, Senalo is on fire. Durango is about to turn into a new front. Halisco is pretty spicy in some parts. Baja in some ways is getting gentrified. And in other ways, it's a lot of the people who are leaving Sinaloa who are now setting up shopping places like Baja are going to maybe turn it into another Sinaloa later. We're in a cycle. The cycle, yeah.

But whatever this is going on right now politically within the United States, and its current attention on Mexico, independently of the ethics around it, independently of if it's good or bad, or whatever you want to think about it, it is changing the game down there. Things are changing. People who are untouchable are dead now.

Right. Government officials who have always been on the take or have in some way, shape, or form been involved in all this are now being hunted, internationally with red notices. And that is something that's never happened before. So you have to realize and notice that that is actually happening. And it is a thing that many Mexicans have wanted for years.

It's a start maybe. Something. But a group of Marines crossing into Tijuana. Different story. And having a shootout somewhere in downtown Halisco. with the police because that's the cartel in some places. That's a different story. It is a very dangerous thing to think that you can go to Mexico

with all the military force that United States has and not turn a single cartel head into a martyr. And now having... Yeah, fuck. And now you want to talk about something scary? Yep. Think about a Mexican Taliban, you know? Mexicans are true believers

as war fighters we've been fighting it out with each other for a while yeah I get technology and all that but think about it you have a very antagonistical country in Mexico if we go into that is now inspired to defend its sovereignty

you have this social movement now kind of moving within the United States of all the people that are living up here that have direct family ties and blood in Mexico dissent is going to happen here. Sabotage is going to happen here. Most of the Jose, Luis, and Fernandos in the Mexican, in the U.S. Marine Corps are probably going to be conflicted

with their new travel arrangements and their designated enemies now. Oh, that's interesting. So there's a lot to be avoided that I would recommend the United States going to think about before. they try and attempt something of that nature, which is again why I think they're going to focus on these political figures. Because this isn't about that. I don't think they're going to go into a ground invasion, although they say that a lot.

I think it's probably going to be some sort of targeted mass arrest, which is what that list is, or a single figurehead that symbolizes corruption and union between criminal organizations and politics in Mexico. And after that happens, moving forward with a more agreeable government. But again, this is not about good versus evil. This is not about the right side versus the bad side. This is a survival on both sides. I think in the United States is looking out for its best interests. Nobody's against you. They're for themselves. In this case, the United States is out for themselves. Yeah. All right, let's come back to the Elmancho thing.

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