Julian Dorey Podcast - #46 - Jordyn Erard-Coupé: NFL Draft Recap; The DeShaun Watson Scandal; Brady vs. Mahomes; Edelman HOF Debate

Episode Date: May 5, 2021

Jordan Erard Coupé is a football commentator and podcaster. Currently, she hosts an NFL show on YouTube called “SportyJordy”––and co-hosts an NFL podcast, “Onside Chicks,” with Kaylee Chicoski. SportyJordy: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCm7WiyPlKVsQ3jVSF8Yd1TA  Onside Chicks: https://open.spotify.com/show/18PNejaciqNPyRDa8QLsWf ***TIMESTAMPS*** 5:16 - The Covid 19 Pandemic effects on the NFL & NBA 16:35 - Mortgaging the future on QB’s; The Carson Wentz trade from the Philadelphia Eagles to the Indianapolis Colts; The Eagles Front Office struggles with Howie Roseman and owner Jeffrey Lurie; The inside story behind the Eagles’ decision to draft JJ Arcega-Whiteside over DK Metcalf 29:51 - Discussing first overall pick in the NFL Draft, Trevor Lawrence; Urban Meyer’s outlook with the Jacksonville Jaguars; The tough transition from NFL Coach to College Coach; Jalen Ramsey, Baker Mayfield, & Gardner Minshew; The other QB’s in the Draft: Zack Wilson & Justin Fields; Dwayne Haskins’ second chance with Pittsburgh 49:50 - Jordan talks about being a Jameis Winston fan as a woman; Breaking down the DeShaun Watson scandal; The tough balance between “believing women” and waiting for all evidence in ongoing cases; An NFL conspiracy against agent David Mulugheta’s clients?; Questionable connections between the Houston Texans’ ownership and the lead lawyer pressing the civil suits against DeShaun Watson, Tony Buzbee;  1:11:19 - Why Julian can’t stand Mac Jones aka “Cheeseburger”; To sit rookie QB’s or not to sit rookie QB’s?; Will Aaron Rodgers retire soon?; Tom Brady: The ageless wonder 1:26:58 - Jordyn & Julian tell their respective stories of when their beloved Eagles won Super Bowl 52 in 2018; Jordyn’s close call with a “Big D__ Nick” tattoo 1:35:28: Discussing the rookie season of Jordyn’s future husband, Los Angeles Chargers QB Justin Herbert; The crazy story about how the Chargers Medical Staff screwed over QB Tyrod Taylor; The Miami Dolphins nw culture under Brian Flores; Tua Tagovailoa & Jalen Hurts predictions for Year 2; Circling back to rookie QB’s Zach Wilson & Trey Lance 2:01:50 - Jordyn & Julian adamantly explain why Julian Edelman is NOT a Hall of Famer 2:10:52 - The problem with the Michael Jordan Lebron James debate 2:19:37 - Julian tells a story about Allen Iverson and Kobe Bryant to explain why we need to “appreciate greatness” more––instead of fighting over and comparing players against each other 2:24:35 - Arguing over what constitutes being the greatest “athlete” of all time; What it will take for Patrick Mahomes to ever surpass Brady as the greatest of all time 2:36:47 - Julian utters an unfortunate pun––and then proceeds to tell a hilarious Michael Vick story 2:45:49 - Ea... Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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There's women that are putting their name out there and speaking out. So now it feels more real i still i need to see how it all plays out i don't want to take his side and be like nope i feel i felt weird about it i'm going to defend him because if there are women that were actually out there that he hurt or assaulted or fucked over in any way he can't get away with it he doesn't no but no matter how high your status is you don't deserve to get away from mistreating anybody no so it's definitely it's so unfortunate because it is someone that i respected and loved so much and the fact that we kind of have to watch how this plays out it's it's a shitty situation What's cooking, everybody? I am joined in the bunker today by the one, the only, Miss Jordan. And our coupe.

She's got like a really fun name to say. It's very wholesome. It's got the accent on the end. It really gets the people going. Anyway, name aside. Jordan is the football gal. In fact, she's such a football gal that she has two shows on football, specifically the NFL. The first is a YouTube show that she is the sole host of called Sporty Jordy, all one word.

And I will have the links to the shows in the description so you can check them out. And they're highly entertaining the second show she co-hosts with kaylee chikosky once a week on wednesday nights where they live stream on twitch and it's then available on apple and spotify afterwards and it's a podcast called onside chicks and again talking everything nfl now i recognize that we are about 45, 46, 47, whatever it is, episodes into this podcast, and we haven't really had a pure sports episode or sports conversation. And some people have hit me up about that, complaining, saying, come on, let's work that in there. You're kind of missing that. And look, you don't have to ask me twice. I love talking sports, and I don't get to do it as much as I used to.

So I love when I have the excuse to be able to do it on camera, on mic, with somebody else who's very passionate about it as well. Now, seeing as Jordan is a football expert, and seeing as the NFL draft just took place a couple days ago, and it is therefore draft season right now, I figured what better time than to have a way too early for the NFL season, off-season-ish, talk on football and what's going to happen this year and what we're thinking. So brought in Jordan, had a lot of fun, covered everything, including the draft, which, by the way, about 10 or 11 minutes in, we started to talk about the draft for 60 seconds. And it will sound like we're about to make predictions on a draft that already now happened because we were recording like, I't know two days before the draft so then we got sidebarred on a big national story that was also affecting our favorite team the eagles which is the whole carson wentz and jalen hertz thing so we talked about that for 15 minutes and you'll notice when we come back to the draft that's when i say by the way the draft is going to be out when this comes out so let's just talk

about the players in it and what we think and give some predictions there and just have a nice conversation about the entire process itself so again like it's all time oriented or whatever the word is so talked about that and among some other things we got into we did talk about the deshaun watson situation as well which is obviously very serious and an ongoing investigation and something that really does need to be talked about and so i was happy that that jordan brought that up and and we had a chance to run through what we know so far and and give some thoughts on the matter and obviously i i hope i mean i don't even know what i hope in that situation because it's going to be a bad outcome no matter what, which you'll understand when we talk about that why I say that.

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That said, you know what it is. I'm Julian Dory, and this is Trendafire. Let's go. This is one of the great questions in our culture. Where is the news? You're giving opinions and calling them facts. You feel me? Everyone understands this, but few seem to do it.

If you don't like the status quo, start asking questions. For this upcoming season, by the way. Okay. Let's just get right into it. All right. I got a lot of questions. All right.

Because I'm going to be perfectly honest. Okay. Last year, with Corona, I watched some games in the background. Yeah. I really couldn't do it. It looked, and this isn't just football it's all sports it looks stupid to me yeah and it wasn't anybody's fault but i saw fucking cardboard figures in the stands and i'm like this is not real yeah it every game kind of felt like a

scrimmage and this season was weird too just because no preseason none of that it felt like up until week five or six we didn't even know like which teams were actually good like I felt like betting like the first couple weeks I'd be like oh this team came out hot like they're gonna be great and then nobody could just get into their own groove like it I just I think because they didn't get the preseason games that they were used to and we joke about how stupid preseason is and it kind of is for us but I think it just emphasized how important it actually is for them because one day they'd come out looking great for example the packers first couple weeks they were great and then they were iffy the bucks i was so excited to see the

bucks weeks one and two and they came out tom brady and mike evans couldn't connect and i was like what is going on here like and it took until like midway through the season for teams to actually find out like who they were so i think that made it difficult too because you just never knew what you were gonna get it didn't feel consistent at all the restrictions behind the scenes too weren't yeah and like obviously that's what they had to do because they're look it's a lawyer society no one wants to get sued the nfl is a big big organization very easy to get sued so the shit they had to put these players through which is really beyond ridiculous yeah let's just call it what it is you know testing them brutal three times a day they had to i mean it's tough

building relationships too when when you're literally messed up everywhere you go and it's like all right we're gonna sequester this position group in that room and then we're not doing a full team meeting today like there was regular bullshit like yes and so you're trying to get these teams on the same page and then here's the other thing and i tried to walk some other people through this and they weren't really buying it so if you don't buy it come back at me with it but i think a lot of what these guys built themselves off of and i don't think this is bad at all like i i think this is this is like kind of a beautiful thing is they work their entire lives to get to this level get to the the top of their sport whatever it is nfl nba

nhl mlb and the whole thing is like you're a name you're playing in front of hundreds of thousands of people or 30 000 people if it's basketball or something like that. And there's like this thing with it. Getting yourself worked up for a game where no one's going to be in there watching you, I don't care how much money you're getting paid. I'm talking about from a mental standpoint. It's like it's this huge letdown. Yeah. No, absolutely.

You know what I mean? Yes. like it's this huge letdown no absolutely you know what i mean yes and i think that honestly and like i don't want to just steer go right into philly but i think that played a huge part in philly specifically because our fan base were nuts to put it quite frankly and i think like the year we won our super bowl i think half of that was momentum from the fans being there it was the energy in the stadium so you take that away from teams that changes things and it changes your mentality in the game and not being able to hear boos or hear chants and it just it makes it feel not less important but less real i would say the

best was the artificial crowd noise oh it was brutal it was brutal it was brutal and i get what they were trying to do and i know they had to do it. And I honestly, I think they did the best they could with what they had. But it was weird. I didn't like it at all. The cardboard that really Yeah, yeah, that was, I don't know whose idea that was. But it It was kind of freaky. It was a little creepy. And the NBA, I really don't like what they do where they have the random heads on the screen. And it's just people sitting in the living room cheering. Remember Lil Wayne just ripping a book? Yes. And I'm like, this is so unnecessary. I did enjoy that. It makes for entertainment.

It does. And that's the other thing. In the NBA, everyone's going to say right away thing like in the nba and everyone's gonna say right away oh here we go you know it's because lebron won or whatever no like lebron won the title under the circumstances that he was given to he has no control over that and he deserved the title it doesn't change the fact that he won the title in a gym that was lesser than lifetime in the sky in new york city where they play pick up with j cole in the summer yes no literally i mean it was embarrassing it was like a high school basketball game where only like a couple parents decide to go and you know what that night this is like a big i this is a big symbol for the state of our country but that was like october i guess

so that night i think between i think it was and it was Anderson Cooper and Tucker Carlson who were on at the same time on CNN and Fox. I think like 10 million people watched those two. And then 300,000 people watched the basketball game. And I don't think that's because they don't like basketball. I think it's because they're looking at it going, that's a goddamn gym. Yes. Like, what are we doing here? Yeah.

And by the time, because after, I remember when the virus was first hitting, I found out I got an extra week of spring break. All my professors were like, we're probably going to be back. It's fine. Me and my friends were like, great, an extra week of spring break. We're literally buying tickets. We're going to go to Dallas, and we were going to have a girls weekend in Dallas. We didn't know how serious it was. Wait, were you down in Fort Lickerdale with everybody?

No, I wasn't. You weren't on camera going, if I get corona, I get corona corona i get corona no no you sure i never made it down there i literally had plane tickets in my cart i was ready to book it you intended to go i intended 100 to go down and then all of a sudden i get the notification the nba just shut down as i'm literally in the middle of booking this trip and i call my friend i was like uh becca i don't think we should be doing this right now i think this is more serious than we like actually thought and then it was like blow after blow then march madness got shut down so at that point the nbi was shut down then they go into the bubble and then they came back it just everyone was kind of out of it by the time the finals actually happened and i just think everyone's mind was in different

places and it the league fell out of place. It just felt wrong. And it's not their fault. It wasn't their fault. It's none of their fault. And like, by the way, credit to the NBA and Adam Silver because I don't think they had one case of corona while they were down there.

Yeah, no, I'm not knocking. When I tell you they did everything they could to make it work and bring it back and finish. Like, they could have just called the season quits and been like you know what this is a wash and they kind of wish they did to be honest they could have and i think them pushing through i think was the right move at the end of the day just to say they did it but the season really wasn't washed like it doesn't mean as much as it would have personally that's why for the super bowl this season i was like, who cares?

Just send the Chiefs back because their team just got a Super Bowl parade. They got to enjoy it a little bit. And Tampa made it work with the boats. But it's like stuff like that. It's like you're kind of taking away part of the experience of it all. It's also in Florida. It's also in Florida. It's also in Florida. Anything goes in Florida.

Yeah, where COVID does not exist anymore. And I'm not saying like that that's right but they're doing it better than other places did it because at least like there's some normalcy and and not just like locking down at the drop of a hat yeah i mean look still in the super bowl though it was in tampa and it was still like really limited and and not as many people in there so it was better in the nba yeah i'll give them that but it was also what like four months later five months later something like that no it's been this whole year i'm hoping honestly because we've seen

baseball games in texas full capacity like yeah literally stacked and i'm hoping honestly not that i want to see and like the miami dolphins got cleared midway through the season last year that they could fully their stadium could have been in full capacity and they were just choosing not to probably for the right reasons at the time because things were still pretty intense but i'm hoping that we get to see more of that fan interaction because it plays such a huge role even if you're just sitting at home watching seeing fans they're seeing people excited ensuring having directors to have something to cut to instead of a cardboard like seeing those live reactions that means something well now that we're all getting

vaccinated like do you think this fall we're going to be somewhat close to normal i think so i agree i think this summer is going to be the last i think we're going to be right on the verge we're going to be moving in the right direction but by fall and that might be wishful thinking that might just be me kind of done with it but do you you know the comedian Andrew Schultz? Yes. So he you see the song he just released? No, I didn't. Oh, you didn't see it? No. Oh, my God, it's the greatest thing. I can't play it because it's on YouTube. So it's his content, but it's called opener up. Oh, my God, exactly what it sounds like. right to me i see that over 80 million or i think maybe 90 million now of us are vaccinated and or at fully vaccinated capacity and however you say

it and probably within the next three four months it's reasonable to see that we're going to add another 60 70 that figure and it's like at that point at that point baby i honestly think at that point it's everyone's choice whether or not they want to go out. Because at this point, the government's done everything they can do. They've provided the vaccines. It's your choice whether you want to get it or not. And if you don't get it, if you do get it, there's really nothing more we can do past that point. So I'm on the fence of open, open her up, open everything back up. Because at this this point like what we can't keep hiding i want my normal life back i know i know it does i'm vaccinated officially so you're fully there i'm fully there i gotta get fully there yeah i'm locked in here too much but it is like i did find out it's like 10 minutes down the road i can go get it pretty easily you know mine was i told you that story my work said they were gonna give it was gonna be a vaccination event i did not hear this story oh my god i my work said we're oh i did yes yes yeah

my work was like we're gonna do a whole vaccination event because i work like with the public like i deal with a lot of people every day so they were like we're gonna have this whole event you can all go get vaccinated if you want like we're just trying to make it easy for you guys and we were like wow like thank you so much it wasn't a freaking event it was literally just a place in philly and they just got us slots but we waited in this long line and i had to like i could have just gone like made a reservation at cvs or whatever to get my vaccination but i drove into Philly did the whole thing waiting in line forever but it is confusing like how much how many different places you can get I've seen people just like walk into offices and like get it yeah you know I've seen people on lines around the corner

like that yeah it seems like there's all these different outlets to get in there's not like it just go right here you know yeah no and that's what my dad was like get get on the list. I was like, how do I get on a list? So I was trying to look into that, and then my work came out and told us. So I went with that route, and it worked out. I got it. It's done. Everything's fine. But it was much more of a hassle than I was expecting originally.

But it's done. But it's done. We got there. We're good. We're good. We're getting back to normal. So I fully intend on attending at least one or two football games good this year now speaking of football games though as i got off track there all right but

this upcoming season first of all let's let's start with the draft okay because that's right around the corner yeah what's happening there we know trevor lawrence is going first yeah everyone's been trading around yeah including the eagles including the eagles the chiefs is the newest one literally today the chiefs traded with the ravens so they gave up their first i mean they gave up their first round pick and they were 31st so yeah so they're the back end yeah but they made a big move today and honestly i have a feeling that's going to be one of a couple that are still whatever we're looking at today is not going to be the draft order on the 29th when it starts i fully believe that there's no way the falcons there's no way they're staying at four with them

coming out and saying they're open to trading there's going to be a team even if it's on draft night that gets so desperate because with a quarterback i mean with a draft that's this quarterback heavy there's going to be a team that's going to get so desperate they will give up way too much to move up into that number four spot and secure something it's amazing how much people and you know speaking as an eagles fan we've seen ourselves how much they mortgage the future yeah for quarterbacks now i know it's a critical it is the most critical position in sports i get that but you see teams mortgage the future on like the third quarterback coming off the board if there are three four quarterbacks taking in the first round every year how many of them are going to be top five top ten quarterbacks make a difference in this league one of them might

not even be that that's what i'm saying you you might miss on three four years in a row because these guys can also have the longest career possible yeah so it's like i get it but you got to be so fucking careful with that man because it you know it's not like they're trading like oh we're going to trade our third round pick this year with our first round pick for a higher one no they're trading like the next two first rounders you know they're they're they're throwing players in there they're thrown in later round picks which are all tickets to the lottery it can affect your franchise for 10 years absolutely i think we're gonna be dealing with carson wentz situation we're still we're paying him 30 million dollars to play in indianapolis right now like and then they're done right after that and then they're done yep and then we have compensation we don't know for

next year it's carson wentz either has to play i believe it was he has to play for 70 percent of this season or he has to play for wait he has to play for 75 percent of the season or he has to play for 70 percent of the season and they have to make the playoffs and we get a first round if that doesn't happen we get a second round next year and then it's all we'll see what happens but that went downhill fast yeah no that was um a lot of fun where do you do i dare ask where you stand on that are you were you a fan of getting rid of carson wentz i was a fan of his okay i don't love getting rid of him the the thing is you know like when i was growing up that's all i did was sports all i did and obviously this past year has been weird because i haven't been doing as much

like not paying as much attention because i'm a i'm busy here and b what we already talked about yeah but see when he got a lot of shit post the super bowl for those two seasons i kind of saw that coming because when we went to win it i'm like he's never gonna be able to get away from that yeah he got injured and he wasn't there and so he's gonna live his career in phil Philadelphia trying to chase that ghost that he'll never be able to catch in that way. Because, you know, people who don't live in Philly don't understand what a big deal that was. That was one of the greatest days of my life. Oh, my mom looked at me. I'm her firstborn daughter.

My mother looked at me and goes, this is better than the day you were born. You know what? Fair. Fair. Like, I understand it. Because you're also here with her too so it's like it's it's a whole different level so i knew that was going to be an issue and there's a lot behind the scenes there that i have questions about but a he always handled everything in public very very classily and did not go out of his way to change narratives and b those two years so i guess i'm talking about 2018 2019 what worried me and what made me think this is going to go south is that when you look at his statistics to say nothing of some of the

fucking people he was throwing to which was our practice squad yeah no there was a point where like they could have taken me off the street and we'd have been all right but and yeah not really but you know what i mean but you you take that onto account statistically he was one of the best quarterbacks in the nfl yeah both years and i'm like we are giving him this much shit when he's putting up numbers like that like even that first year 2018 when he got injured against the cowboys and then was out the rest of the year and foals took over again i think he was at like 30 touched or 23 touchdowns and seven picks in like 12 games you know that it literally infuriates me because i get 2020 was rough 2020 was rough for an entire team but all of the and carson wentz wasn't good this season but i can't sit here and put all of this year was, but I can't sit here and put all of the blame on him.

There were so many things wrong. And I could go on a whole tangent just about that. But what upsets me the most is everyone just kind of forgot 2019 already. 2019, our entire team was injured. They died. Yes. They all died. Yeah, we were literally pulling guys off of our practice squad like the day of games.

And Carson Wentz still got us to the playoffs we would not have gotten there if it wasn't for him and i fully believe you can hate on me for this all you want i fully believe if he didn't go down in that game against the seahawks we would have moved on not that we would have had this insane super bowl i agree with you yeah because we were we were doing great in that game up until he got his concussion and that's the thing there was a lot of bad luck with him but the one thing i will say and this isn't a shot at him but this this is a tough town to play in it is because we know our shit here and i lived up in in new york after college and lived there for five years and they're great sports fans but it's not like here i'm not

just saying that because i'm from here i'm saying saying it is not life and death like it is here. And with him, he doesn't have that dog thing. He doesn't have that, I'm going to fucking die. Not literally, but you know what I mean. I'm going to fucking die to win this game because it's what it's about. And he had shown some signs of that early in his career. But when some of the shit hit the fan he never responded to it well i don't think he was responding to it badly he just didn't

he was being too nice about it exactly he's too nice of a guy he's a midwestern you know yeah that doesn't work here it just if i'm not saying you can't adjust i mean we've had i guess where was ron jaworski from like missouri i think so you know and he didn't have anywhere near that kind of talent and he had a pretty good career because he was a dog he adjusted yeah you know like that he had that built in we're famous for the broad street bullies here no they're from canada so they're savages but you know in in hockey it's like you have to have that and and he didn't and so i was happy for him that he could go somewhere else and no disrespect but could go to a very soft town where they don't really give

a like indianapolis no that's fair that's very fair and i think that makes a lot of sense and i think it says a lot about him but it was definitely the moment i found out that he got traded i'm not gonna lie i broke down in tears i was sitting on my couch and i got just because like we knew it was coming and it was like it's gonna happen this week it's gonna happen at the end of this week and then it didn't happen and then there were talks that everybody pulled out so i kind of got my hopes up then on the other hand i was like it is is it even good if he stays because the relationship is so torn like is it even worth it for him to still be here?

So I was like caught in this in between, like, I didn't even know what to feel. And then I got notification after notification. All my friends immediately started texting me and they were like, are you alive? And I just cried because I, it just,

I thought he was the future of our organization. I think there were a lot of other factors that kind of ruined that, that really ruined that, but it's fine.'ll get over it well we're talking philly right now which we want to stay national but these are actually this is like a main story going on in the nfo right now so let's stay with it all right those other factors you're talking about are you referring to howie roseman oh yeah my least favorite person on the face of this earth howie roseman is the cockroach on the titanic yeah you know they went back out there to find the ruins underneath the goddamn sea 80 years later and the cockroach is still somehow swimming yeah on on top of the water alive he

doesn't die he doesn't go away he outlives and outlasts everyone shit when he got demoted with chip kelly back in the day and then masterfully won his whole rollback you know they still didn't fire him they still at least let him be the equipment yeah i think it was literally the equipment manager or some shit like that like he definitely was like in the back lair as a businessman and like a cutthroat executive one of the best i've ever seen as a football guy embarrassingly bad with few exceptions yeah i know more about football than howie roseman does to put it quite frankly there are so many decisions that he has made that i can't even wrap my head around and what's upsetting me the most right now is the fact the press conference

that just happened a couple days ago nick sirianni for them to come out and to sit there and say our drafts have been successful oh yeah that was i said oh really so you have no idea what's going on in the last couple of years where have you been sweetie because i hate to break it to you we have been so far from successful one of the things you can't have in in sports organizations though is where the owner is hands-on and in control. It never goes well. And that's what Howie is Jeff's yes man. Yep. And then I believe I am 100% convinced the only reason Nick Sirianni got this job is because he will be their yes man.

Like, he will fall in line. And that it may work just because if they're all on the same page maybe it'll be better but i just can't see it working that's not how you run an organization you need to all have your own opinions and you need to be able to talk about it and then figure out what's best what's going to help take your team forward what's funny is roseman aside who again can't die for years that's what made the Eagles actually good after years of being not good is Laurie was very hands off. He let Joe Banner run the operation. He wanted stability with Andy Reid.

He even wanted that with Chip Kelly and it went south, right? Now there's a story I heard from a really good source that I trust that's like the prime example of this, but probably the worst football player I've ever seen the Eagles draft in any round, bar none, and there have been some bad ones, is J.J. Orsega-Whiteside. He can't play. I mean, he is the worst football player i think i have ever seen yeah no and no disrespect no disrespect to the guy can't play and people take this as you will i'm not going to reveal who it was so if you don't want to believe me no problem but apparently they wanted metcalfe but yeah and actually roseman wanted him too and peterson wanted him so they actually

agreed on something and they were thinking about pulling the trigger in the first round but they didn't because there was a little concern with his neck injury and they're like all right we don't want to take that press whatever so it gets his second round and they're trying to trade up the entire round to get him and then he gets within two picks of them and they realize holy shit he's going to be there when they're there they're fucking celebrating all excited jeff lurie comes in and apparently he had talked to white side at some point like at the combine or something he goes i like that jj kid we're gonna take him no i actually i don't know who your source was but i've heard the exact same story that and that's kind of what frustrates me too

and i really don't even like to like give howie roseman any credit anymore just because he's pissed me off so many times but like i want to hate him for that and you want to yell at him for it but i've heard from credible people that that was not a howie move and then that's what makes me super nervous too just because and like that's where it feels like we're at right now it feels like every single person is on a different page and for jeff lorry to come out right now and say jalen hurts is our guy moving forward let's build a team around jalen hurts but then you have howie who's still trying to trade up to take a quarterback and why is your owner picking your quarterback yeah no it that's my problem yeah he when they won the super bowl something changed and like he's a he's well liked by a lot of people like nice guy it's not a shot

at laurie personally and he was a great owner for years and something over the last i mean you saw it embarrassing peterson in public by making him fire his coaches the day after he said i'm not doing that that was lori coming in and doing that he totally turned over a bad new leaf and he's become this dan snyder type do you want to know what I honestly, I think we won the Super Bowl. I think he got power hungry. Yep. And I think it all went to his head, and now he's so hands-on. He's got his hands around the throat of this team, trying to keep up that mentality, but

all it's doing is crushing us. He is literally burning his own organization down from the top to the bottom. Yeah. Well, back to the draft once again, because we're going stay talking about the eagles forever if we keep doing this but this is going to be coming out after the draft was done so we'll stay away from like oh do i think this team's going to trade up for this guy or whatever i want to talk about some of the players all right because that's that's where the hot stove's going to be cooking until we start seeing them play in the fall first of all are you a trevor lawrence person i'm a huge trevor lawrence person is am i out of my mind or is he everything that they are saying

he is no he is i think everything and more and just because he has all the package you can compare him to andrew luck you can compare him to peyton manning he has all of those capabilities he has we're at the point as an NFL quarterback, you need to be able to be mobile and you also need to be able to drop back and pass, but it can't just be one or the other. Like it's, you have to be able to have that whole package. And he not only has that whole package,

but he came out, we saw him as a true freshman, come out and play. Like he knew exactly what he was doing. So I think that kind of mentality and that poise and that leadership is going to transfer beautifully over to the nfl especially this one we can talk about we know he's going to jacksonville they can't mess that up and when they can't mess that up they're not going to there's no way um so he's going to come into that organization that's definitely been in the midst of a rebuild for a very long time

and i think he's just going to take them and move them in the midst of a rebuild for a very long time and i think he's just going to take them and move them in the direction that they need to go yeah he's also way more mobile than people realize too he can move i was just googling i was trying to find his 40-yard dash while you were talking because i don't think he ran it at the combine but in the past he had run a 4-7 i think he's faster faster than that. Yeah. I mean, I remember, I want to say it was the national title, the one they lost a couple years ago. He had that one rip around the end, and I mean, he put the burners on the whole defense.

Yeah, and that's the thing with him too. It's like, I don't even think we've seen, which is scary to even think about, I don't even think we've seen everything that he's capable of. Like, I think he was going to come into the NFL and flourish just because he's going to know in the back of his mind, is my team and jacksonville is at that point they have urban meyer you have him if it doesn't work like this is a they're going to build that entire team around trevor lawrence if the coaches isn't working trevor lawrence will be able to determine who

like they will do anything to make him work and they're going to build completely around him so he's going to come out there i think he's going to experiment a little bit he's going to see what works best for him which is exactly what he has to do when you want to take this team that's been so unfortunately shitty for a very long time they had the one had the one year 2017 i think it was defense was ridiculous yes but like this is a team that struggled we haven't seen other than that one like you had that excitement but this is a team that deserves it and i'm excited for them they also had an absolute asshole in there oh yeah and doug marone oh yeah my my buddy chas who was on this podcast played for marone at syracuse and i finally got him to say something publicly about what an ass clown he

was and that that guy the thing about him is everywhere he went everywhere he went from syracuse to the buffalo bills which was like sketchy how he left there to the jacksonville jaguars yeah never compliments following him out the door when he left and so he's like he's clearly a very very good football mind because everywhere he goes he brings new success yeah right so syracuse turn them around left buffalo started to turn them around started to go south left jacksonville started to turn them around big time went south got fired yeah so he he built a bad culture there they lost all their talent and now you know bringing in urban's gonna be interesting i know i i'm he's what i'm more trevor lawrence i'm 100 sold on urban

i'm a little not that i'm like against him i just don't know how he's going to be as an nfl coach it is definitely i mean we're scarred from chip kelly yeah exactly and like i have that in the back of my head so i'm a little nervous i'm hoping because imagine how perfect it would be if he comes in if him and trevor lawrence create this beautiful relationship and they put together like that could be such an incredible story and i hope it works out that way but i just i i don't know i'm not 100 sold on what he's going to do i hope he proves me wrong and he just sits back and they can because i don't think they're going to come out and be good this year even with trevor lawrence no no they got a lot of work to do on that roster yeah there's they lost everybody they had james robinson who was a unsigned agent that or unsigned rookie that

they brought in that did great for them i got him on my fantasy team week three and that was like the best pickup i ever made but just because he was so low-key there were so many big injuries that season so like he kind of snuck in and did wonders for me but they have a lot of work to do they have a lot of room to grow they have a lot of draft picks right they do like they're sitting there or something yeah they're in a good position yeah urban's gonna be interesting because a i can't believe his wife let him take that job i know because like he's not that's a real thing he he is one of my friends who i don't know if i have permission to say his name so i won't say who it was but i'll ask and then on a future podcast say one of my friends worked for him for a year and loves him nothing but respect for him said he's

everything you could dream of and more but he's like he came back and the first conversation i had with him after that is he said julian you have never seen a human being so intense in your life he's like i understand why this guy has health problems he's out of his fucking mind like he's the he's great yeah great guy out of his fucking mind and he said the other thing is because urban gets a lot of shit for like the Oh seven Oh eight Florida team. They had a lot of interesting characters on that team who didn't do nice things off the field at Ohio state. None of that. Yeah.

And like, I think that's also in the back of his head. So he's like all about these guys. He's all over them off the field and everything. I almost said his name. My buddy said, uh, he was like we i can honestly tell you obviously there's the things you never hear about but he's like we didn't even have that

like these these kids didn't get in trouble they went to school like did their thing like and now that could be really good for trevor lawrence coming in because you have you have some guys that just don't transfer into the nfl well They get caught up in the hype, especially with him when there's so much pressure, and not even pressure, so much expectation for you to come in and just be great. So maybe having someone like that to kind of guide him will work out very well. It's a hell of an opportunity, but my friend called it right then. He goes, he will not last more than one more season there. And he was right. called me or called it right then he goes he will not last more than one more season there and he

was right that was the after that season urban urban retired you know for a short time and the nfl it's a it is a whole different beast and that's the thing about college coaches and i think it was a big thing with chip kelly as an example in, they're kids and they're still not getting paid, which is ridiculous. But you know, it's their kids. They're on campus. You're like a dad to them or whatever. In the NFL, these are grown ass men. They're a lot, not a lot of them with urban, but you know, many of them are making more money than you in many cases, or at least as much money or a lot of money, right? They got their got their lives they got their families they got their shit to do it's their job so you can't just go in there and be like yo every i own you 365 days a year bitch no yeah no you don't and that's what i think i've talked

about this on my podcast too you see the teams that have like a solid relationship like andy reed with patrick mahomes and bruce arians with tom brady guys like that when you have like a solid relationship like andy reed with patrick mahomes and bruce arians with tom brady guys like that when you have like that loving trusting relationship when you respect each other equally that is what works if you come in and you are just so like gung-ho putting your foot down and this is my team you're gonna do what i say it i mean it can work but it just like the teams that you see having the most fun and having the most success the buffalo bills same thing the steelers they had a fall off at the end of last season but still when you have mike tomlin that's kind of like a mix of that both like stern but still respectful that is what works so i just think he's gonna have to maybe balance a little bit not be so

strict and so this is my team because then you're gonna have like jalen ramsey with doug marone who's like i'm not doing this leaves like there's so many who by the way was a defensive player at a dangerous position yeah who was being paid no money yes and one of the best in the league personal opinion absolutely i no question i was so devastated when he didn't make it to the eagles i remember i found out and i had to call my mom and break or break the news and be like mom you went to the rams yeah they were gonna trade for him oh my god that was like the big news it was like he's either coming to philly or he's going here and there he's a connor mcgregor type yeah he talks a lot of shit backs it up exactly and he's got a lot of respect for for guys that that can play and when he gets one up done stuff as long as they didn't fist fight on the field like he's got a lot of respect for him exactly and like if you come out and you have like that's

my issue i'm not 100 of baker mayfield fan like i'm i'm really just not and that's what's frustrating with him is he came in so hot and hasn't been able to execute up to that level yet and he still hasn't taken it down i'm like sir i see you on all these commercials and then you really can't execute as well as you should be on the field to be on my tv as much as you are like just i hate to say it but that's just how i feel about him so i think he's a cocky motherfucker and he doesn't really deserve to be yet i understand he was hot shit in college the flag whatever he's good i think he's good and i think he could be good but i don't think he's great i don't think he's great like i think he's going to be a solid average nfl quarterback and

i saw more from him this past season than i've seen yeah and i like the direction it was going but like i'm not going to sit here and be like baker mayfield's trash i don't think he's a trash guy but i think he's subpar at best. I think he's got a lot here. Yeah. He loves the game. I think he loves the game. Works his balls off. Yes.

Got a lot of heart. I think that there's a little bit lacking physically, which is not his fault, and just pure talent-wise. I don't... There's just kind of a thing. When you watch Aaronaron rogers throw football who is my favorite person okay on this entire earth i feel like that has more to do than

football but when you watch him throw a football there's an eye thing yeah and then it actually does get backed up by math because his release i forget it's like 0.24 seconds yeah it's like one of the fastest recorded in human history so there's something different yes i don't like when you first without measuring anything or timing anything when you watch baker you don't get that feeling like whoa you know what i mean can i be really honest when he walks on the field he looks like a frumpy 40 year old man he does like that's just the vibes i get he's a dad he is he is such a dad he's the kid that's like wearing the headband on on the beach in panama city after senior year of college and already like with the

handlebar mustache and aged and you know worried about the rest of you know who rocks the handlebar mustache very well don't say gardner i am in awe of gardner minshu we've seen the end of gardner i'm never gonna hear his name again no no we haven't he he's gonna go somewhere that deserves him and we'll cherish him hopefully you think he's gonna go somewhere i think he's a backup i mean okay maybe this is just hopeful thinking i just love his whole vibe i love uh he's just a great human being i remember seeing a picture of his dad at some point his dad's like a big like meathead savage oh yeah like there it is yeah no literally it makes so much sense and he's gardner minchu the second there is no

first like they like his whole family is just oh i saw you say that yes explain that they literally just so his grandfather wanted to name him bay wolf oh i think which honestly yeah it would have fit perfectly um but they didn't and they went with gardner and apparently it's like the dad's middle name scar like there's some connection there but there is actually no gardner mint you the first like he is the first i like genuinely don't know and i don't know if it's like a birth certificate thing but like they and and they call them the second there's no third yet yeah no literally like it there's that's a violation that's a violation that's that that should be legally changed i'm sorry see i think we start letting people do this who knows what

else they're gonna do they're gonna start inventing six and sevens that man comes out in a mullet a handlebar mustache jorts and cowboy boots and he can call himself whatever he wants in my book i felt so bad for nick foals with that though when he came up because yeah dude nick foals he got hurt on one of the greatest football throws you will ever see yeah no it was insane that was like one of the most perfect i was like there he is yeah and then oh there he there he goes yeah no it was so quick it was so so sad man but then Minshew comes up the Minshew mania happens but look and that's why it works out because then you know Foles goes about his way and he's a 30 year old quarterback whatever

and then they're bad because Minshew's not a starter in in the league in my opinion like not a good one and sorry it's and you know now they're gonna get Trevor Lawrence and that that changes the trajectory of your franchise. It does. And he really, like, just back to Lawrence for a second. Little Lawrence love. You mentioned that he came up, like, as a freshman. He came up as a freshman at Clemson.

Yes. Like, a factory. This is not like, you know, you walked onto some school that was a solid D1 school that doesn't have expectations and just lit the world on fire. Which would be impressive. Yeah. it still would have been great but you walked in front of a hundred thousand people as the number one team in the country and said yo i got this yeah that's crazy no it was he's unbelievable he is unmatched other than him yeah i was gonna ask you zach wilson what's your thoughts there i like zach wilson zach is oh i don't want to give my predictions we'll see what happens. Right. BYU kid.

Yes. But he's good. He's stable. I just can't, like, I feel like he's going to be the ones that's overrated, doesn't make anything long term. The one I'm most excited about is Justin Fields. I love him. He's interesting.

Yeah. And, like, kind of like what I said with Trevor Lawrence, he's quick. He has the mobility. But he also can drop back and throw a deep ball. The kid's good. I think that he's going to get a really unfair tag and drop, and we'll find out what happens in the draft. But I think he's going to get the unfair tag because of what—this has nothing to do with him, but what we just saw with Simba in the league. What the hell is his name? Haskins? Yeah, Dwayne Haskins.

Yeah, flaming out in Washington, which is so unfair, but they're going to be like, oh, this is how scouts work. Another Ohio State quarterback. Look what happened last time. They just print him out like this. Which is so ridiculous. What was the coach? I forget the coach's name.

Aaron Rodgers, he broke the stigma. There was this one college coach that every single quarterback that came out after him was like blew it in the league and like jeff tedford yes yes and then you have aaron rogers come out and break like you can't keep up that's like that's just so unfair nothing to do with it not and like if you even compare just his statistics alone to duane haskins he is so superior and the kid has a 3.9 gpa he's also brilliant off the field and he has that he's got to get a little bigger he does right but he's he's tall and that's what i he is you know he's a big guy just a little skinny on the skinnier side but no i i'm excited for him and i think he's going to be one of those guys that drop surprisingly

because i think he should go top three and haskins by the way is a prime example once again dan snyder of an owner yeah meddling because they did not want him that the staff did not want him and he was not there were a lot of teams that had him nervously on the draft board because they felt like he he was a guy that didn't love football it's like the ryan leaf treatment a little bit you know these scouts look they get a lot wrong. But one thing that a lot of them are pretty good at is like, yo, is this kid about the game? And like with Ryan Leaf, there were people who said that.

No one listened. He went second overall. The rest is history. We saw it again with Jamarcus Russell. He was another high draft pick as well. I think if I remember, there was a similar tag on tim couch back in the day he was drafted right in front of mcnab yeah so you know you see it over the years where some scouts are like i don't know man and then it ends up being true and it's like they

missed it with haskins but you know to put any of that on fields i just that that doesn't sit right with me because you have to evaluate guys based on like who they are especially as a quarterback yeah and you know he has the best mentality he loves the game and like he is one of those guys he looks at criticism and he says i read all of this criticism and like i take it personally he pulls a michael jackson he's like and i took that and michael jackson and i took that michael jordan and he sits there and he goes i took that personally and he will take it and then he will come outael jordan and he sits there and he goes i took that personally and he will take and then he will come out and fix it and he will work on it and learn from it and i think those are the type of kids that are going to transfer well into the league like that

is someone a team should want now i think personally honestly he could come out and be a starter like right now especially preferably if he had a vet sitting behind him i don't think he's gonna be but um i think whatever team is gonna get him is gonna be lucky and i'm hoping speaking of duane haskins now that he's with mike because duane haskins i honestly think could be good oh he's got talent he is just such a doofus and he makes such stupid decisions and he lets the fame and everything get like do you remember that one game where they came back to win it, and instead of playing the last snap, he got so excited that they got the touchdown that he went to take selfies with the fans?

And then, like, stupid shit. Like, how can you... Controllable shit. And I'm hoping now he's in Pittsburgh, and I'm hoping Mike Tomlin can honestly whip him into shape, because anyone can do it mike tomlin can it's a good situation yeah because rothlisberger may play i mean he keeps on hanging on but he he doesn't have a hell of a lot left to do i think the chances of him playing this entire season all the way through are slim to none exactly so he he's on his last legs yeah two years from now ben roethlisberger will

not be in the nfl i'm hoping he's a coach because when he was hurt and he was their quarterback coach when they had duck hodges and all these other like he was doing well and i like seeing him in that environment but he's just not meant to be a qb1 anymore yeah he's and and it's really a a stability thing because he also he's so big yes he took a beating yeah for every time he like moves like even when he's just dropping back like he doesn't even look like he can do that anymore like when bart scott hit him like a decade ago i thought that i'm like that took five years off his career in one hit in one hit and like he to his credit here he still is and like when he's healthy he's still good yes like. Yes. He does look decrepit doing a seven-step drop.

I agree. But once he gets back there, boy can sling it. He can. So that's not the problem. It's just like he's old now, and so you're going to see him slide out. They don't have another QB1 on the roster. So I agree. I think as far as a landing spot that Haskins could have to put himself in the best

position after really blowing it, you're not going to do better than that. You're playing for a great coach, great organization, an organization that loves stability too. You know, so it's going to be on him. Yeah, I think it could. I honestly, there was a point where I was like, I don't know if anyone's going to go after him. Like I thought he was just going to kind of fade off into the oblivion. But when I saw that they went for it, I was like, you know what? This could be his saving grace. Like, the best thing that ever happened to him.

Here's the thing, though. You can't teach someone to love football. Exactly. So, if he actually does love it, we're going to find out. And I hope, because I really, I want the best for him. Like, I want to see him come back and kind of rebuild his name a little bit. Kind of like Jameis Winston. And Jameis Winston never had the question of if he loved it or not because

he loves it and he i honestly i'm a fan of his and i know that's kind of a hot take but i think he could be really good um and i think the saints are kind of helping him out right now kind of helping him rebuild up his name rebuild his career a little bit so i'm hoping that duane haskins can kind of get there too what do you think of it i'll ask you and i'm totally asking you because you're a woman too okay it's it's a perspective that i can't have okay but with winston because it is a hot take he has always been as far as like when you just hear him talk and whatever always seems like a likable guy yeah also legitimately there were plenty of players i know some like kind of

didn't think he was a great quarterback in tampa but there were plenty of guys who were friends with him off the field so never it was never like yo this guy's just a complete dick bag but i don't really care about being 18 and stealing crab legs i thought that was kind of funny to be honest with you it's the other stuff yeah that people care about and a couple things number one you do you well you got to say two things at the same time he was cleared of the things that happened and the second one like was less it wasn't good but it was less serious and he took some blame like yo i misread the signs or whatever and it looked horrible because it's him yeah so you have to i'm talking about the uber one go google that people look it up but the first one is the one that's like that was a big deal because it was like an accused rape so he was cleared of it yeah

that said there was a lot of drama around it and he was the most powerful person on that campus right yeah so when you look at the optics of it football school too there's a lot of questions around that so in a way you never know for sure it's always a cloud there but as a woman do you look at that and go like because obviously like you're somewhat of a fan of his do you look at that and go like hey i don't know so it is what it is and hopefully he never does it again or is there the part that's like nah that's still there and and you know that's that's problematic because by the way you can say the same things with other people including who we were just talking about ben rothlisberger yeah no there's been a lot and i don't know if we want to have the deshaun watson

conversation but we can get there but i think it's always okay and there is it always is in the back of my mind like when i see and even when i think about ben roethlisberger um i still that's one of the first things i think of a lot of time and that's unfortunate i don't want it to be but it still comes up and it's still there um so it's definitely something that stays in the back of my mind i think one he was cleared so i think that kind of helps for me at ease a little bit and I don't I don't even know if I'm doing the right thing as a woman by saying this I kind of take it back and I look at my career the career I'm trying to build is to judge football and so I sit there and I judge football and I never excuse it and I never erase it and I understand what you said yeah and I never excuse it and I never erase it. And I understand what you're saying. Yeah. And I never, like if it ever gets,

like I will never completely ignore it and I will always be, I will always address it and I will always listen to both sides. But then you also have situations and this is also from a woman because I've had friends that have had to deal with this and I've had guy friends that have had to deal with this. There are women, especially for men in power

that will come out and you don't, will make stories up about men. had guy friends that have had to deal with this there are women especially for men in power that will come out and you don't will make stories up about men and i'm not saying that's what happened i'm not saying that but i tend to look at it i'm like this is my job this is my career this is what i chose to get into and i know there is a lot of questions about it so every time a situation like this comes up i remain completely independent until all facts are on the table. And I look, especially with everything that's happening with Deshaun Watson right now, which is someone I really respected. And I'm very, very torn up inside about it because— And that's very ongoing, too.

It's very ongoing. So whenever things like this happen, one, it hurts because it's just, it's something that, like, you get to this status, you can have any person you want. Why do you guys have to go and get yourself into these situations? It really, it upsets me, and I honestly, I think it's a power-hungry thing, kind of like we talked about earlier.

So it really gets to me, but at the same time, I do, like, I don't know how to put it. I think I never ignore it. I never erase it. But it's something that I kind of, I don't know. I guess I choose not to focus on it as heavily. And I don't know if that's the best thing for me to do, but it's the way I can do my work the best, if that makes sense.

I think that's a really very open and honest answer. And I think it's pretty fair, too. And it's not like, A, you don't condone shit. Never. Ever. That's not the point. But it's also like, what do you know? Exactly.

And it's a sad thing. Like, frankly, to use this example, knew michael vick financed dog farms yes whatever the hell they were called for dog fighting right we knew he did it was on evidence so it's like okay yeah you can judge after that there's other things that like you don't have to be okay with it but you have to be okay with the fact that it is unknown unfortunately you don't have a choice on that and with watson i got a lot of thoughts there i got a lot first of all let's get your thoughts first what what early on right now i think where it stands there's been 24 25 women i don't think it's grown in the past three or four weeks so it

sounds like for now that's where it's stopping and there is one attorney on the other side who's like pushing the whole thing yeah out of hou, who's also got an interesting little backstory there. Yeah, that's and that's what I also want to make it very clear. Every woman like when shit like this happens and it's proven and it's all the proof is there. And one also, my first instinct is to trust the female because I it tears me up inside to know that there are girls that will come and it happens there are females that will come forward and make this up for money for fame yeah and it's instances like that that absolutely kill me because then all you're doing is taking away integrity and trust from women who are actually assaulted i think that those women should be put in in jail for

yes a similar sentence that they did to the person not not necessarily just because of what they did to the person they accused which is horrible and they take away someone's freedom like that and also the stigma everything right like if you ever if people haven't seen the brian bank story go go check that out that is one of the saddest things you'll ever see heartbreaking but it is also because of the stigma that then it it leads to the boy cries wolf scenario exactly and that was my big that was like the me too movement had a lot of upside to it the biggest downside was that it got a lot of bandwagon jumpers who suddenly were just like oh yeah it happened to me too and so now there's a lot it is the first inclination i talk to a lot of very good morally good people including women including women who will tell me like my first inclination is to say

well let's see here which is very sad and it that and that's like after everything i just said that's what upsets me the most because there is that i never want to think a woman comes forward and says she's assaulted i never want my mind to go to well is this true and especially as a woman i never want to have to get there and unfortunately because it has been proven that girls have like they get to the point where they're like you know what i made this up and it's like why why do you feel the need to come out and do this like i get you could get money from it is it worth it is it worth taking away from other women who are actually suffering and dealing with real problems and real shit for you to go down this road so that really messes me up and i will always if one it's proven like a girl has been put in this situation at this point that

is bigger than the game it's bigger than football it's bigger than your career and you have to be penalized for it so that's kind of where i stand on all that with the deshaun watson situation i'm very when it initially started i will be honest it seems super sketchy to me just because not because of the women because of the lawyer and the way the lawyer was handling it see the women no i think we've still only seen two yeah and the accusations that were coming out the way the lawyer handled it there was the one case that initially dropped and deshaun watson won on paper obviously i don't know him he seems like such a genuine loving like guy and he's someone i respect you can go back and watch all my videos and i'm

wanting him out of houston and i'm wanting the best for him and i'm so excited for him to like take this jump in his career and then all this breaks and the first one that came out i felt super uneasy about it because i think i originally started seeing it when it was like the second and third cases were being filed and they were pretty like yes the same week yes and the first one all they came out and demanded was a six-figure sum of money oh i hate that and that was the only they weren't there was no criminal charges all they were asking for was money and as a woman if i'm in that situation money is the last thing on my mind so let me let me ask you that real fast because that's an important question my and i'm not a woman, so I don't know.

But my thought from the outside would be no money is going to replace what happened to you. Exactly. So if you wanted – like if you really cared about that and wanted like the world righted – and it's never going to be fully right again. But you wanted it right a little bit, your number one priority isn't the payout you're getting in civil court the number one priority is this person i'm going to stand up to this person in public because now i own that that beast right yes okay so and that's kind of what sits wrong with me about that whole the entire thing because like you just said the money if you win at the end it's a perk and it's nice but it should not be the end goal the end goal i would want is justice i would want everyone to know what happened not even to me i don't know

if i necessarily would want my name out there but i wouldn't want everyone to know what happened and i would want my assaulter whoever just to get the justice that they deserved and i would want all their acclamations taken away like that is what I think you should go for. And not even not all. It also depends on the severity of the situation. Sure. But just. This one is obviously the highest.

Yes. So there is. There's a lot of layers. There's a lot there. But when I first saw. They just asked for money. And Deshaun Watson came out on his own. And said listen.

I've never mistreated anybody ever. I'm going to be open and honest about this. And then all of a sudden, the lawyer filed two or three more cases after he said, I'm not paying. I didn't do this. It felt wrong. So that was my initial reaction. Now we're at the point where there's 25 women. There's women that are putting their name out there and speaking out.

So now it feels more real i still i need to see how it all plays out i don't want to take his side and be like nope i feel i felt weird about it i'm gonna defend him because if there are women that were actually out there that he hurt or assaulted or fucked over in any way he can't get away with it he doesn't no but no matter how high your status is you don't deserve to get away from mistreating anybody so it's definitely it's so unfortunate because it is someone that i respected and loved so much and the fact that we kind of have to watch how this plays out it's it's a shitty situation yeah to say the least i i have a complex range of thoughts here and and i the number one thing two things i want to say out front number one i want to see the facts continue to come out i want to see how this plays out number two i still in spite of some past things that make you lose faith in it my first inclination is is to believe women yes

when they come out i unfortunately have to recognize i don't know what the percentage is but there is a and it's not five there is a percentage of time especially with powerful figures where it's fucking bullshit and it's not true as numbers get higher starts to get a little more believable watson a couple things number one and this could be this could mean nothing like we've seen guys just out of nowhere like suddenly become a bad person or like they were always this demon or whatever but been well loved everywhere he goes by everyone he's ever played for like literally considered one of the highest character people in the entire league. Great story, great everything. Winner, all of it.

Number two, haven't seen a lot of innocent guys hire Rusty Hardin. Now, if you don't know who Rusty Hardin is, that's the attorney he hired. Rusty Hardin is obviously the best attorney probably in the state of Texas, at least as it pertains to criminal matters or serious allegations. So, yes, he's going to hire the best. But then again, like, you know, first time I heard Rusty Hardin's name was Roger Clemens back in the day. You know, and there's been a lot of others. I'm forgetting some, but he's done a lot of high profile cases for famous people, athletes, whatever, since then. And usually it's someone who did something wrong.

So didn't love that but i get it another question for you what do there's two things these guys have in common i'm gonna list some names off okay earl thomas jaylen ramsey dewane haskins colettio simile deshaun watson do you know what they have in common there's two things they don't the first one it'll be obvious afterwards race no well actually yes they technically have that that's not what i was looking for but i was like yes technically yes but the first thing is they have all had some sort of crazy off-field drama play out. So with Earl Thomas, he got ran out of the league. Yeah.

And by the way, there's also some fault here too. Earl Thomas got ran out of the league because apparently he got in a fight in practice and then got blackballed by everyone. Which, by the way, fights in practice happen. Yeah. So I didn't really get that. It sounded like he was a little aggressive, but guys, a borderline Hall of Fame player. Yeah. Right?

So that was a little weird to me. And he got blackmailed with the whole thing with his brother, which was weird, which... How did they get that info? Yeah. Dwayne Haskins, we already talked about. He seems like there's certainly a lot of fault on his end there, but he's had a big microscope. Bigger microscope than most of his peers especially in that draft class coleccio semelay i know i talked to colecci before that season with the jets and i

interviewed him at a conference in new york and we were early there so we were talking for a while in addition to being a great player he's a great a guy great a guy he told me about his shoulder this is june 2019 he told me that he had a fully torn labrum in there he's like i a guy great a guy he told me about his shoulder this is june 2019 he told me that he had a fully torn labrum in there he's like i don't know we'll see he was trying like intermittent fasting during the offseason everything and he played through it on a very bad offensive line and the jets fucked him totally and if not for andy reed who now he's old and he's like you know he's he's banged up so you know i don't know if he's got any more time left but andy reed at least gave him one more season to come in.

And he played a few games before getting injured. But he got totally blackballed. Jalen Ramsey, who played for Doug Marone, which we already covered. Yeah. Got totally tagged as a prima donna in all this shit. When all he was trying to do, the guys at safety, at cornerback safety in the NFL, playing, I mean, he's a cornerbackback but plays like a goddamn safety right all he was trying to do was make sure that before i can blow out my knee i get a little bit of guaranteed money which is exactly what he should do and he gets labeled all this shit

deshaun watson was a perfectly clean cut in the way like of people saying he's no flaws on him whatsoever like nothing off the field no nothing and now has all this stuff happen after finally standing up to an organization that has screwed up everything over the last four years while and also put him on his ass behind a bad offensive line for most of those four years and now this starts to happen that's the first thing they have in common all those things the first thing they have in common, all those things. The second thing they have in common is the agent. Their agent is all David Muguleta. I think that's how you say his name. And the thing about Muguleta is he is totally self-made. And he is a guy who is going at this from a similar lens, the way he builds his business. I respect this a lot lot he's looking at it the way

rich paul has looked at building clutch he's all about creating a family and his his players all help each other out they're all family like and it's hey we're going to stand up to the man and so it's not this typical you know drew rosenhouse same old agent whatever like muletta is on these guys level like very genuinely all of them are having problems and we know the nfl is a good old boys league right they don't they don't like people who come in and and stir up the pot yeah so now the the star the cream of his crop finally comes out and says yeah i'm not gonna play for this team which he's perfectly within his rights to say like like this is fucked up what's happening here and now all this happens i've seen it five times now one of them i know

personally was bullshit now i'm seeing it with with the number one guy who everyone thinks is like one of the greatest people ever it does it's a little conspiratorial but it makes me ask some questions and there is if we're going to talk conspiracy there is connections to um the lawyer filing all these lawsuits and the texas owner i can't remember how they're connected but somehow like they live in the same town like there's something there and i would never until more comes out just because we don't know either side 100 yet um And I don't want to put those conspiracies out there just because, like I said, I don't want to take anything away from,

now we have 25 women that have come forward. I'll take blame for the conspiracy. That's me. That's me. Let's let the record stay. I'm the conspiracy guy right now. Yeah, so I... You're free to go.

Okay. I don't want to take anything away from them, but there are some weird connections going on and that could totally just be random but there is something there and who knows what it all means let me add a conspiracy layer to that too all right the texans are not exactly how should i say this they haven't been exactly clean on the racial issues side of things for the past several years and so that looks real sketch that their black quarterback had the audacity to come out and say

you're not taking care of me so this is bullshit like i'm i'm not gonna waste my career playing for you guys and now he's got issues and i didn't even know that yeah there's potential and we'll hedge and say potential we don't don't even know that yeah there's potential and we'll hedge and say potential we don't don't know for sure but there's at least some links there it's sketchy man and then you put women in the middle of it it's like it's an unfair it's like an unfair football no pun intended to pass around here because who knows like because then what happens we then represent them as women quote unquote like oh Like, oh, so if it turns out, and we don't know this, if it turns out that like it's bullshit and this is some inside job,

these women who are probably paid off or whatever in that case will now screw over future women who come out and say things and they're 100% right. And it happened. And it also makes me super nervous because what if, God forbid, what if some of this did happen to some degree and they just caught a whiff of it and then like it got turned into something bigger so now these women that were actually assaulted didn't get to handle it in the right way because they wanted to make it a stunt like there's so many things that could be going on behind the scenes that we're not even fully aware of that make me super uneasy about the entire situation yeah it's i just want to see the facts continue to come out if we can get him but i will say if he is indeed innocent i feel horrible for him because this is the worst kind of tag you can get

and it's it's a tough situation it's and look on a lighter note it's also tough for the league too he's such a great face of the league and it's like well right now like you know we can't really talk about the sean it went from this guy who from a money perspective yeah the league should want to have at the forefront with mahomes as the and brady still old man and he's still selling the whole league like those are those are maybe the three-ish guys. Yeah, there's a few. Aaron Rodgers obviously in there, your boy, Russell Wilson. But like as far as quarterbacks go, like those five,

those are the ones really selling the league here. And now it's like I guess the youngest one of the lot, Deshaun, who's got a ton of promise in his early on in his career. It's a very – not that it's ever a good time. It's a very bad time to see it happen. It's tough but i i do hope it it works out and and as cleanly as possible where this can have the end result be he didn't do anything and also not cost people wanting to believe women hopefully they on if there's sketchiness going on they just totally uncover it from the lawyer on the other side whatever the hell his name is busby or something like that yeah something weird yeah hopefully they just uncover that and then the

blame all goes on him yeah and we can call it a day but i i don't know so yeah anyway we've been we've been going back and forth with with the draft but we we went through quarterbacks i think we got through lawrence wilson and fields yeah so So those are the three big boys, right? Yeah. I'm not missing anyone else. Well, then you have Mac Jones. Oh, Mac Jones, Alabama. I am missing him.

Who I'm not sold on. He's built like a double cheeseburger. Yeah, no, he's, it's, and the fact that there's so much hype around, and I honestly, I don't want to put it out there because this will come out after the draft. The fact that there is even talk about it right now that mac jones could go and potentially will go above justin fields it blows my mind i think mac jones is the kind of quarterback that can fall early

or can fall late into the first round i think personally he could even be an early second round guy if i'm being completely honest i just can't see him i don't know i'm not sold on him at all and then you have trey lance who is the type of quarterback that i think could do great things as a starting from um he's from oh weird hold on it's yellow and green i can picture his jersey oh man You gave me the jersey color. It's like everyone who's a Dolphins fan from New Jersey. Man, I just love Dolphins. I add the Dolphins are my number two team.

Oh, no. Don't do that. No, I love them. Trey Lentz. Golden. No. Like the casino? Yeah, that was the name of an article.

Okay. I had it wrong. Wait, Bison. did he play it no did he play at north dakota state wait yes no he didn't yeah he's from wentzville yeah i already don't like him why he's not a dog uh he could be a dog i'm judging no he's gonna be good his thing is he needs to be on a team where he sits behind someone because he needs some guidance like trevor lawrence you can throw right into the mix yeah trey lance i think is going to be great but you need to pull patrick mahomes or an aaron rogers have him sit for a little bit you know what i, Mahomes is the one shining example of this

where he didn't have to play right away. A, he's the most physically gifted quarterback to ever grace the league. It's not even close. Like even, sorry to Aaron Rodgers, he's got a great release, but it's not even remotely close. And B, he was also with one of the top two quarterback gurus to ever grace the league and andy reed so it is an outlier scenario to me i heard that take on your on one of your podcast episodes and i think both of you were saying it i disagreed with that okay i think

especially today you got to throw them in the fire more really okay i'm not i'm not i think it can work i'm not always 100 sold on that i think it's the league has gotten very very impatient and i think things that can go wrong for example a duane haskins yeah you throw them into the fire some kids just aren't ready for it and god forbid he comes out there and he sucks they gotta want it though they gotta want to be ready for it yeah he didn't want to be ready for it that's true but you throw a kid out there and he sucks his first couple games that can like mess and like same thing with baker like there was all this hype around baker and not baker likes it he knows he wants it he wants to do well they held him for like six seven games yeah

and then i don't know i just i'm not 100 sold on throwing them into the fire i like the mold of having them sit behind someone that they can learn from see how the league works throw them in a little bit here and there and then see what happens i will admit the one position where i think there's a little bit of an argument for it where i could come to your side on that would be quarterback yeah any other position another position yeah i gotta go i'm not yeah you can't or you can't there's no reason in having a receiver and having him especially like a running back whose careers are short as is like you need to if you're good you're out there and that's what we drafted you. That's what you're going to do.

Quarterbacks. When you're basically building your entire franchise around this person. I don't know. I just think it's worth it to kind of hold off and wait, let them gain as much experience. And like I said, this also is a player based scenario because there are guys that are ready to immediately come,

can come in or the organization is in a position where they just need someone right now and they don't have anybody like they're not in that weird position but like i think jordan love is for the packers is sitting in like a brilliant position because you are learning you are watching aaron rogers be aaron rogers and i know he might not thoroughly enjoy being the backup but i just think we're gonna watch him come out and be great just because do you think aaron rogers is gonna retire in the next five years i do really i do i top and he said it he said he was like like because you hear tom brady who knows when brady's ever gonna retire i think rogers is

nearing that he just got engaged now he's talking about children he's talking about hosting jeopardy so you can't have kids in the nfl he said he never wanted kids up until he just fell in love like he was never never he's got a lot of family issues yeah yeah he cut off like his whole family so i can't see him and he literally said he was like i got a couple years left. We'll see what happens. I think we have two, three years left of Aaron Rodgers. Really? I do. Unfortunately.

And I don't want that. I will be going to- Because he was pissed when they drafted that kid. Oh, he was. And that's why he came out. So maybe that did extend his longevity a little bit. But now that I'm hearing him talk about being a dad and knowing how- He takes football so seriously like that is his and he's just a very intense person like it's just how he is

so i don't think he can do the whole married jeopardy host being a dad and be the same aaron rogers and i don't think he would let himself slack off as aaron rogers so i i agree with that yeah you just so you and you definitely know more about him off the field but you i keep up with his social life you're thinking he's gonna want to cut the cord there that's interesting because he's at the top of his game he is and quarterbacks can be that for a long time and he's had some injuries but they're not like debilitate like shoulder injuries he had the um the collarbone which you can recover from and you're fucking fine yeah you know he's as far as like everything else being in order his body's oh he looks great like watching him he is one of my he's honestly you know how everyone kind of has

like that player that made them fall in love with the game and like it should be an eagle for me i loved donovan mcnabb i love brian dawkins like those are guys that made me love the eagles but aaron rogers was the guy that made me love football like he is someone i just grew up and the way he plays the way he talks like the way he cares like there's just so much to him and i really i don't think he'll let himself be off the field the loving family guy and then also like he needs to devote all of himself to his game yeah it's interesting because brady has i mean brady's got the biggest dog mentality of all time and he finds a way to be he does it he and maybe that's that's i'm sure that's not for everyone but i mean brady's ageless he really is i thought i'm gonna

be honest he looked really bad his last year in new england we like his stats were okay yeah but i was i was watching him like he should have walked off after winning against st louis or la he should have walked off after beating the rams and then when he threw the pick six in round one in foxborough and they lost at home to the titans i was like oh it's such a bad ending and then he and then he changed jerseys and i'm like that is the worst idea of all time because i look the tape was showing me he couldn't play anymore he can play yeah i don't know look tom if you if you took a little something i don't even care i'm about it like yo if you're balling like that great so he proved everyone wrong because he went back in time and now it's like well when's he gonna stop i don't know he doesn't need to stop and i i was so and maybe this was just the Eagles Super Bowl in me.

I was like so over Tom Brady. Couldn't stand him. I didn't like watching him. And I respected him. He is the greatest of all time. I'm glad you say that. Yeah. I cannot like him as a person.

And I can still sit here and acknowledge everything that he's done. Me saying I think he's arrogant and annoying doesn't take away six Super Bowls. He's a gamer. He is, yeah. He's a gamer. That arrogance is built into that. Like, he's a dog. Exactly.

But he just wasn't my favorite person, and I had a hard time supporting him. Yeah, yeah, fair. So that was just kind of where I was on it. And then he wakes up one day and decides to go down to Tampa. And I was like, I was on the opposite. I kind of liked it. I was like, you know what?

It's either going to work or it doesn't. And this was a team. This is a team that is stacked. And it's annoying because they're just absolutely monopolizing right now. And Tom Brady kind of came in. And I didn't know initially when the trade first happened. I didn't know what actually to expect from him and then i made the prediction in my first youtube video i was like this is going to be a bucks chief super

bowl and i didn't actually think that was going to like stick yeah that was september of this season and i literally said i was like the bucks are going to the super bowl and i said the chiefs are going to the super bowl and i was like all right no you're shit here we here we go and i did i i'm not like i did waver i was on the steelers hype train for i was like the steelers are gonna make this happen like so i wasn't 100 consistent all the way through but i did just have this like gut feeling that the bucks were going to be great and that's why i was so disappointed with them the first couple weeks where it didn't seem like they were connecting like it just didn't seem like it was working but then they got it together and they got it very together um now they're keeping the entire band together and i don't know i just feel like because

there was always the brady billichick argument like would brady have been able to do what he did without billichick and i think he just proved everybody wrong because he came out there bruce arians bruce arians would literally call play and tom brady would walk on the field and change it and he just like and they were okay with that. And they just trusted him. They let him just go out there and do what he does best. And when you have the best, it works. I'm not taking anything away from Brady saying this.

I'm really not. Yeah. But you said it yourself. That team is stacked. Exactly. Stacked. And he never had that in New England. The Patriots were not stacked

last year at all because they also they were in their last year of cap hill as you can see now that now they were finally able to spend now they're on a frenzy right so we're i'm gonna give it five years of bill belichick to see and make a judgment they're like all right who was it more i think it's premature to be like yo it's just all brady i think they're both great yeah and absolutely and it's like for brady it's not to say like it's not unbelievable and that i mean he brought a super bowl to tampa and they did do that they caught lightning in a bottle once before but they largely have been a bad organization he'd flip that around in a year no doubt about it but there are a lot of weapons there and that defense was was everyone was

good and i think that's why like you're talking about how he came out and looked went back in a time machine i think it helps when you have all of those incredible guys out there you have a deep there they would not have made it through the playoffs this year if it wasn't for that defense oh no no that defense is stacked like literally incredible well yes they drafted very well so there is there's a lot to it so but i don't think we're seeing the end of tom brady unfortunately for that i kind of hope you know what my hope is the bucks come out this season they they kept the band together they do exactly what they did last year they run right back to the super bowl if the bucks can do

that and if tom brady can win us his eighth super bowl in his second year in tampa back to back he retires you can't top that i think even if he's at the top i think he would you think he would he's out of his mind he doesn't give a fuck he really doesn't he will go for the three pete i mean i agree with look i would have told him to walk off after st after st louis after after la because he was i mean his last breaths to me of greatness were when he pulled it out of his ass that's what it felt like against kansas city on the road in the AFC championship that year. Yeah. Because before that, it was his team more carrying him, it seemed like. Again, had less weapons, you know, so it's interesting.

This year, look, was the team great? And did they absolutely play an enormous role? Yes. But he felt like he pulled a big part of the weight, too. Oh, absolutely, yeah. And when they needed him to be great, he was fucking Tom Brady. So I give him a lot of credit and the other thing i'll say as an eagles fan is that you know we're funny in this town we like to anyone that's not wearing our uniform especially if they're good we like to hate them and everyone around them so you know people were they're making

fun of him for like kissing his kids and shit like that. I probably the best part about that Super Bowl, besides the fact that we won the Super Bowl and like, oh, my God, we did it. The best part about it to me was that we played the best player to ever play the game who played, I think, the best game he's ever played. He was stupendous he didn't miss in fact when they lost the game it was from a blind side sack where his cut where his o-line broke down and brandon graham god bless him god that's not on him yeah you know the quarterback cannot always just have eyes in the back of their head that entire game the only mistake he made was when he didn't catch a ball yeah which he's not paid to do yeah right he threw for 500 and some yards and i'll never forget it was one of the coldest takes i've ever seen in my life chris collinsworth and in the

second quarter he'd already thrown for like 100 yards and was like warming up and starting to play pretty good he has one ball with gronk where he throws like it was supposed to be like a seamer 25 yarder like just straight vert. And he sailed it just a little bit over his head. And sailed it, meaning like threw it too hard. Not the kind of thing you say about an old man who's like not getting the ball there. And Chris Collinsworth goes, you know, I got to tell you, Mike, we haven't seen Tom Brady miss like that with Rob Gronkowski for years. And you got to wonder, is father time catching up?

And I remember looking at that like, you fucking moron. What game are you watching? How did you just do that impersonation so well? That was pretty good. Wow, I didn't pick out a good Collinsworth. But thank you. But I think the next play, he threw a 45-yard pass at Collinsworth. And there's Tom Brady.

And it's like, what are you even saying right now? He threw for 520 yards, like no picks. What was it, five, six touchdowns? Unbelievable. Best part about that Super Bowl, we beat the best player of all time, and it was not his fault. He was the best. No disrespect to Nick Foles, who was phenomenal that night. Tom Brady was the best football player i've ever seen in my life that night i thought that

was cool very cool okay i will not i wish i agree there i know i wish i could just relive that night that was over one more time where were you oh are you ready for this here's my super bowl story so that season my mom and i i watched the first couple my mom literally knew when i tell you my mom taught me everything i know about football like my dad loves football my whole family loves football but my mom is the one that like ingrained it into me like she knows her shit and the first couple weeks that season she was like we're winning the super bowl like she just like knew and i was like okay great like glad you're so optimistic and it was the first couple weeks we i was sitting with her like on the couch and it was just the two of us and we literally pulled like a silver linings playbook like that juju energy and she was like you can never go out for

an eagles game like you just can't do it like i need you here like we're doing well so it was like every sunday it was just me and her. And then it was the Super Bowl. And she goes, listen, you can't, you can't go out. It needs to be me on the couch and you on the chair. Like, it's been all season. And we need to watch this

because if you leave and switch it up, she was like, we're going to lose. She was like, we will lose this game if it's not the two of us here. My sister, she was home and my sister's an Eagles fan. Every time my sister walked out of her bedroom, something got a little iffy, and my mom was like,

get back. Get back in the bedroom. You have to. When I tell you it was the most superstitious night I've ever experienced, and then the second we won, screaming, crying, she told me it was better than the day I was born. I totally gave her permission, and then I hopped on a train

with all my friends and went into Philly and celebrated that night. That's awesome. Yeah. I had my buddy Ty Martin, who's another marlton guy was on here a few months ago and he told the story about that night and he said the coolest part was and this is just why it comes full circle stuff he said the coolest part was he was in i forget what bar so i don't want to say but he was in one of the big bars in philly. Maybe it was McGillin's. But right when they went to win, he was somewhat close to the door. Not next to it, but he was at the bar right in front of the TV, and he just knew where the door was.

And so right when the ball hit the ground, everyone celebrated, and he celebrated with this guy next to him. I think he had met that night and they became like great friends and then they both tie first and then this kid beelined it outside through the front door and it was right it was when everything was still no one had run out of bars yet so for what felt like an hour he was out there just like not even screaming just like oh my god like it happened in shock yeah and it's all silent and then suddenly oh my god that just gave me goosebumps everyone jumps out of the bars the streets start filling up and he and the other guy are like yo don't lose contact man add me on insta we're brothers

for life i met that other guy two months later, literally on Clubhouse. He came in and we just started going back and forth. He met me and a few of my other buddies on there. And so we were talking afterwards. He goes, yo, like a week later, he's like, yo, I checked out your podcast. Are you friends with Ty Martin?

And I'm like, yeah, it's my boy. He's like, yo, so we have like a thing. I was like, yo, like totally cool. I didn't know that about Ty. He's like, no, have like a thing i was like i was like yo like totally cool i i didn't know that about ty it's like no no not like that not like that he goes no like you don't understand we were we we watched the eagles win together i'm like you're the guy he's like you're the one he's like yeah dude like it it got a little iffy there for a second like he'd something could have happened we were that excited and i start cracking up i'm like dude what a small world and he's like i will never forget that like i could never see ty again and we

are brothers for life because of that it's it's like it's this thing that happened where if you don't live here you don't fucking understand no literally that night i actually going into philly i told you hopped on my friend called me and she was like i'm picking you up right now we're getting on the train hopped on the train went right into the city i'm getting off of the train walking up the steps the guy some random dude in front of me is being an eagle i get whacked so hard in the face i don't even feel it i'm like numb i'm just like so excited he's like i'm so sorry i'm so sorry like it's fine don't worry about it i wake up the next morning huge black eye my lip my mom was like what happened to you and i was like i don't know i was assaulted yeah yeah my friend was like

wasn't that guy pretending to like be an eagle and i was like definitely and like putting two and like it was still like hands down the greatest night of my entire life you go to the parade too oh yeah oh how i got out of that so i commuted to undergrad and i had all my classes set up i was in class 8 a.m to 9 p.m tuesdays and thursdays so i could work and have my freedom all throughout the week i got all my so it was like a grind of a day it was a tuesday yeah the parade i it was a tuesday or thursday was it a tuesday i think it might have been that thursday yes yes and And so three of my five professors canceled. They were like,

we're not doing class. All of you enjoy. You had two professors not cancel. And my one, it was media law. And it was my favorite class. But when I tell you this class was so intense. I took it as a sophomore because I had these law school dreams. And they were like, you're not going to make it. You're not going to make it. And I loved this class. She was

one of my favorite people on this planet. Like, literally, like. Not that day. Not that day. And she was like, I'm not canceling class. I'm emailing her. I'm begging her. And, like, if you missed class, like, her exams were, like, everything she said in class.

Like, she would turn it into a question. Like, me taking notes was like. Some things are bigger than school. Yeah, exactly. So, I'm, like, begging her. I'm begging her. She's like, I'm not going to cancel class. And I'm in the back of my mind. My other was like a sports journalism class and i was like what the

frick so i sent him an email and i'm like listen this is detrimental to my career as a sports journalist if you don't let me my mental health yeah yeah i was like i need to experience this moment in philadelphia eagle sports history this is a super triggering moment yeah so he goes all right you're excused go and her she wasn't canceling the night before the parade i told my friends i was like listen i don't know if i could i was like having this internal struggle she sends an email i'm dealing with some things class is canceled and i was like i was like you just didn't want to give in so all of my classes were either excused or completely canceled and oh my god it was the i mean one of the most grueling days of my entire life but yeah look i was up in in the new york area at the time like

no philly's no philly fans whatsoever but it was an understood thing i looked at looked at my boss on wednesday i said what's up blair i'll see you on friday yeah and he's like go get him yeah like literally no questions yes just like i'm not asking to be off tomorrow i'm i'm telling you i'm telling you i will not be coming in yeah it was it was a religious experience and and i i actually watched it similarly i i would have thought that year because i went to the falcons game that year which was fucking wild yeah so that was the divisional round second round when we won on the last play sealed it up never forget i was right there behind the end zone but i was thinking like oh yeah this will probably be the year where i like go into philly and watch with all the boys

and then i was talking to my dad i'm like no we gotta watch this at home like we gotta do this right so it's like literally i came home it was me my mom and my dad and i'll never forget that yeah it was just like what just happened yeah no and i remember the night that it all went down i was running around in philly and at this point i'm very intoxicated having like on a complete high knocking on um tattoo parlor doors that were all i was trying to get the number nine tattooed on my ribs because i was so and it didn't work out unfortunately and the one that was good for you like picking the ribs other people were picking other places yeah no i was like i just want a little number nine i wanted to remember it forever um and the one tattoo shop that was opened looked at me and he said if you want this you're going to come back tomorrow morning and i was was way too hungover. I wanted to just to prove him wrong.

Good for him. Right? That was a nice guy. He was looking out for me. But I definitely wouldn't have hated it if it actually happened. That's definitely a story. But I think that guy did have my best interests in that moment. It's tough tattooing a Rembrandt.

I don't know how the fuck you say it but you know what i'm trying to say of a guy nicknamed big dick yeah it's just it it's just that's a tough thing no it is i've decided i'm gonna get the date tattooed on me and i'm definitely that's going to happen that's fair that will be remembered on me forever there is one thing i do want to address though that we talked about before um big big not a chargers fan but i love the chargers chargers play the eagles in philly this year and now you have justin herbert is overrated tattooed i mean tattooed written on your um mug i i do i did that for you do you actually believe that or was that just to trigger me a little bit?

It's a little bit of both. It's definitely trying to trigger you. Okay, well, it's working. It has a lot more to do with him off the field

than on the field why you like him. I just catch those vibes heavy. Like, you're definitely... No, I mean, it's definitely a combo of both. Justin Herbert asked you out on a date.

You're going there talking about the future of your life together. Yeah,'m not just because of his money assume he's poor oh yeah no i i just love him and i think he is the cutest little bean i would name our children on cutest little bean cutest little bean he's a six foot six bean but he's so precious i miss the flow i wrote uh justin herbert mvp on mine just uh all right so we're just to come back yeah you think he's good though oh i think he's the future i think he's good too yeah but you think he's the future oh i think he's the future and that isn't that isn't because he's the cutest little bean that is that is based on what i saw this season because the way he came out and he played good in college like he was a

good college quarterback don't get me wrong what we saw in the nfl in his first season was so far above what we ever like nobody expected that from him we all we all knew he was going to be good we didn't expect him to come out at least i didn't i didn't know it was going to be good i and he was great and the reason that the chargers record was not stellar and it didn't i didn't know it was gonna be good i and he was great and the reason that the chargers record was not stellar and it didn't reflect how good and not even just him that team they have a great roster like they have a good team um the reason was because of coaching and i love anthony lynn as a person so i never want to sit here and like bash him at all but the play not a head coach he's not or you know what he's not like he's not a head coach who should be in charge of play calling and time management yeah

he's a great like i actually think anthony could be a phenomenal super bowl winning coach if he were if he were like one of the i'm trying to think like who's a good example of this i'm totally blanking out right now but there are a lot of coaches who aren't like belichick like calling all the plays and shit or or taking care of it there or and belichick actually like defers on a lot of shit so that's not the best example there's just a lot of guys who are phenomenal managers of the team and and like leaders of men and he's definitely that so i was almost like disappointed to see him still take such control over in-game situations like that because i feel like that's not like when he was on the jets as i think he was like the running backs coach like he wasn't even a coordinator he was like the most important coach not named rex ryan

because everyone yo what does anthony think that's our guy that's our leader you know what i mean besides rec rex so i i felt like he could have done more of that and been a great coach so i kind of hope he gets another shot to do it because i think he could be great but he was not to your point he was not good late in games yes and like the game the first time that we ever saw justin was when tyrod taylor he got the needle in his ribs and that was a whole thing but he found out 10 15 minutes before that game was starting that he was going to be their starting quarterback that game can you actually tell that tyrod step taylor story because we don't that needs to get attention yeah no so basically what happened this

was a complete fuck up on the medical staff i can't remember why he actually there was something wrong with his ribs i can't remember i think it was a bruise there was something going on and all it was was he just needed the shot it was a pain yes just to get him through the game no this should not have been a big deal and what happened was they ended up puncturing his lung he had to get rushed to the hospital and they basically fucked him over for the second time because this is exactly what happened not exactly what happened to him in cleveland but he got injured in cleveland baker mayfield comes in it's baker mayfield's team now we see it it just happened again on the chargers

because once justin went out there yeah that was it and and like do i think tyrod taylor is a super bowl winning quarterback he's not no but he's so good and i just love him so bad he deserves so much and like now we had our whole talk about the texans i hope he can come out for the texans this season and start to turn things around like bring some motivation back but i don't know if he has that capability because that organization is just kind of fucked but i love him as a person i feel terrible for him and i felt terrible when he even got cleared and he could play for the chargers i didn't want justin to be back like he didn't he was too good like he was doing too well to bench him i mean look could it have been a one-off mistake sure but you hear so many horror stories

about medical staffs in the nfl who by the way are financially employed by the teams and look they're supposed to be doctors who make decisions that are in the best interest of the patient and unfortunately that's not how the world works with this that's not a one-off situation they're also giving them tour it all and shit like you know how many of these guys they threw that's what they were doing with with calechi with his shoulder they were giving him like fucking tour it all every week like oh yeah go tough it out he had he had a ripped off the socket fucking shoulder oh my god it's like and and then that's why it just sat so wrong with me what the jets did to him but you know because they that whole thing was they wouldn't let him get the surgery and so he went to the medical staff of the jets

was like oh no you don't need surgery and he goes are you fucking kidding me and the jets were terrible too yeah he's like i'm getting surgery yeah they cut him for it um but whole separate story you hear something like that though with tyrod taylor he's just like trying to play for his team they're like oh yeah we'll shoot you up a tour at all oh sorry we punctured your lung yeah he should sue him he should he really should because can you imagine how bad like god for like imagine if something terrible like actually. And thank God they handled it quickly. Everything ended up being fine. But you still fucked his career over royally.

And you genuinely could have fucked up his life. Like, can you imagine if something happened if they didn't get to it quick enough? Oh, yeah. Like, that is not just, oh, you have a broken rib. Like, you punctured his lung. Yeah. It's fucked up. It's fucked up but back back to herbert though so herbert comes in he was terrific as a rookie he was absolute and statistically

i don't have his stats in front of me but he was 31 touchdowns so you know you know it down i'll bet you know every single incompletion he had but absolutely terrific as a rookie they couldn't win some games late they they were like very close to being a good team. Just a lot of games went the wrong way in the last minute. And that first game that he ever came out and played, remind you, was the Kansas City Chiefs, and he got that game into overtime. He did.

I'm telling you, the only reason they lost was because they were making stupid play calls. Do you think he's got that effect here, though? Yeah. I don't know. He might. I think he does. I'm not saying he doesn't you think i would and the reason a lot of teams were nervous to draft him was because he's a timid guy he's shy that's what i'm saying and they didn't know if he could be a leader but from what i saw this season he would come out and he would fuck up and you would see it like by the next week you saw him working on it and you saw him and this team kind of rallied and that was a team of vet guys like this wasn't a young team like

these are good guys that have played for a handful of years and rallied under him and i think if you can build that i just think there's something special there and i do think he's going to start to break out of his shell a little more i hope the flow comes back i do i just i love watching him like he is mesmerizing to me what part's mesmerizing the football with the helmet on and actually playing the game his i mean no the game the game he is talented thank you i i believe you thank you so who else do you think that well actually let me be specific tua last year i kind of wanted to give him any kind of free pass for the whole year because he was coming off such a crazy injury and he he seems like he's healed knock on wood there but that's there's a whole confidence thing that goes into plant i mean he

had like a ripped out hip and stuff so he wasn't like great he had moments of being great yeah absolutely and then they i kind of like the tough love flores was given where he'd just go to fits like oh yeah you're not playing well enough we'll bring in fits magic yeah but do you think tua is going to continue to translate and turn into a great quarterback i think he can i think he won and the fact this is another reason where I talked about how I kind of am on the page where I like setting guys there,

at least quarterbacks, when they're young. The league has grown so impatient and that's one of the things. They want talent. They draft you. They want it immediately, which in certain situations is fine.

In others, I think it's very unfair. And I think how everyone is already trying to ship Tua out of Miami is extremely unfair. in certain situations is fine in others i think it's very unfair and i think how everyone is already trying to ship to out of miami is extremely unfair because like you said one the injury two it's a confidence thing three his completions now granted this was over joe burrow got hurt they all didn't play the same amount of games but overall their end season joe burrow had his completion percentage was 66%. Justin Herbert was 65%.

And Tua was 64%. So for the passes that he did, like, I understand he didn't look as great. But for the passes that he was getting off, he was right up there with the two of them. Touchdowns didn't really even come close. I think he had 11 compared to Justin's 31. Who's he throwing to besides parker no and that's the thing too miami is in the midst they're still rebuilding they had i like flores a lot i love him i think he's a great coach yes he i hope i'm right about that

he is one of those guys kind of like what we talked about earlier, that is the perfect mix of the tough love, but believing in you till no end. And he's brilliant. Like he knows, remember, it wasn't this past season. It was the season prior where the Dolphins sucked. Like they were terrible. And then it was those last three games. They beat the Patriots. Yeah, they beat the Eagles and they beat the Cowboys like back to back to back back that was one of the worst rosters i've ever seen in my life and they won

five games yes and i sat and it was that end of that season i came into this season so gung-ho on dolphins like i just had this like love for them because what i saw the last three weeks of that season i said there's something incredible here for them to be able to make that happen week after week and like it's not like they were getting anywhere and everyone was like why are you even winning these players believed in him exactly to play for him and these and they were doing the trick plays that they whip out like this is a smart fun team and at the end of the day that's what's going to get you obviously you need talent like you do that's number one but when you they won five games with that team with nothing yes and so when you can take talent that isn't

even really necessarily guys you would pick and you are still able to make things happen that is impressive and now with the draft capital that they have this season with what they're building i think tua does have it in him. I just, he played like a rookie to me. I didn't see any major red flags that showed me anything that he can't be a long-term franchise quarterback. There was nothing there that really rubbed me. Like he was making mistakes that is completely understandable as a rookie.

Obviously you don't want to see it and you don't want to condone it. You want him to learn from it. But I think it's something he can learn from and he's one of the guys that loves it he would not have yeah he would not have fought back from that injury that's not a problem so i i this is a team that i think is going to be scary good very very soon i i literally can't say enough good things about them well the other guy to talk about the other rookie from last year is our guy hurts yeah because he did play very well when he came in now my thoughts on hurts and i'm i'm really

open-minded here i loved hurts in college yes because i thought he was solid like a good player on alabama i didn't think he was amazing never maybe part of it was i'm just so used to like nick saban puts out a machine like i judged these guys before whatever and including cheeseburger mac jones but like that was probably that was probably part of it but he never screamed like great nfl quarterback to me when he handled that situation though where tua comes Tua comes in, saves the day in the national championship game, and then is basically the quarterback the next year, the class with which he handled that, the hard work that he put in that next year and stayed,

he did not transfer. And he knew he wasn't going to be the starter. He stayed and was a leader on that team. To then transfer fairly after he completed his four years at Alabama, his eligibility so like it was it was not like i rescinded on my commitment everyone supported it goes to oklahoma and was fucking incredible yeah i love the story i love his work ethic i think he's clearly a leader off the field he clearly has that dog oh yeah clearly. Oh, yeah. Clearly. Changing his number to number one. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, he's got that dog thing in him. So I like it, and I'm open to it. I just, I'm still not, like, I'm way farther on his upside than I was when he was at Alabama, which, again, was probably some Alabama bias. Like, everyone's going to be good there. But I'm still not at the, yeah yeah you know jaylen can be the best quarterback in the league where are you so this is a very tricky situation for me and like you said and you will hear me say this i say it all the time on my channel just because when i get frustrated

over carson wentz i never want people to take it as hurts slander and i want to make that very clear hurts was one of my favorite quarterbacks coming out of that draft last year how shocked were you when they drafted him my jaw was on the floor and i sat there i take all the blame for it because i sat there with my mother because who else would i be with um and i said we can't really mess up the second round pick because we had so many holes to fill no no no i should have knocked on freaking wood howie roseman can fuck things up oh yeah yep and i literally i'm sitting there feeling because not that they fucked up the first round but they did they did um and i was like all right you know what they're gonna rebound here i was so

on board with taking mims in the second round after taking rigor yeah and then having like this sick like little wide receiver too oh there were linebackers we need a defense like there are so many things we could have done i said literally if we take best of it almost any position like you really can't go wrong here fuck it up and then eagle select jalen hurts and i was so infuriated i was he was too oh yeah oh he was oh yeah remember that interview where they're like so what do you think what carson was i'm just very happy for the opportunity like he was miserable yes because what the hell were you thinking so he comes in and i because i'm a wentz support like i still don't take any wentz like i love him so it was a very weird feeling for me um and then with everything

happened all the doubt that just puts into carson wentz's mind and we can talk bring back he already had doubts in his mind because he didn't win us our super bowl he's prone to injury and now your team that's telling you they're all in on you goes behind your back and drafts a quarterback that we don't need in the second round there's a lot of underlying shit there that you gotta unpack so everything happened i respect the way hurts came out and played like i respect everything he did for that game against the saints this season like that was one of my highs like it was one of the only good moments i could really like hold on to where i could i felt like i was rooting for my team again and hurts brought that

for us so i respect him after everything we went to now wentz is in indianapolis i we need to give him a fair chance yep and i am not i think he's a good quarterback i'm not 100 sold that he can be our long-term solution i'm just not he's already way better at this level than i would have ever thought three years ago i thought i was thinking to myself he could play quarterback in the nfl as a back of the lot quarterback you know someone who's going to be a tyrod taylor type someone who's going to be a ryan fitzpatrick type something like that but he's already far beyond that it's the question of can he go to that next level look he's got the arm strength and the funny thing is he's he's jacked yeah like he squats 650 pounds he used to be he competed in powerlifting he is strong as fuck what we forget is like he's not tall yeah i mean he's not short

short but he's like six one which is hilarious because he looks like a giant out there. So I don't worry about his durability. Like he's built like a brick shithouse. The question is like how much of the quarterback upside is there? And we'll see. I am – dude, I am – not just because he's playing for the Eagles. I'm rooting for him so hard because I've always rooted – I just love – I love everything he's about. So I think it would just be an amazing story if he was.

But, you know, we'll see. They need to, to your point, they've got to give him a shot. Well, they've got to give him weapons, but they've got to say, like, all right, yo, this is your season right here. Yes, and at this point, it's like the fact that even the quarterback draft situation is even still happening right now infuriates me. The fact that it's even a thought in the back of our minds. And people ask me every time I go on podcast for the draft right now and everyone's talking to me, what do you think is going to happen? What are your predictions?

Blah, blah, blah. Well, we'll know when this comes out, but yeah. We'll know when it comes out, but that's like one of the first questions. Are the Eagles going to draft a quarterback and the fact that i have to consistently keep answering this up until literally tuesday like it literally makes my blood if they draft cheeseburger in paradise i'm i'm gonna um there's gonna be a problem no i i'm going to my neighbors will call the police because they will think someone's being brutally murdered let me tell you one thing that drives me nuts with athletes, anyone like this. If I had that kind of God-given ability, and then you got to work too, right?

So if I had ability and work and got to that level and that were my job and I was paid handsomely to do that. And by the way, it's like one of the sexiest things you can do. Dude, you're an athlete. You're a sports star. It's something kids dream about, right? I would invest every single resource I have into my body and working because guess what? I don't need to be behind a desk or doing something like that. I don't give a fuck about that shit. I have a window here to earn and be great, by the way also be a fucking legend when i see guys who are out of shape and i know that kid was in college so we're gonna see what he's like as a pro but in college let's be honest you went to alabama you're not going there for fucking school you're going there for football to go to the nfl

yeah right when you are out of shape like that i have absolutely no patience for that your job is to get on a fucking treadmill your job is to get out there and run wind sprints your job is to get on a fucking treadmill your job is to get out there and run wind sprints your job is to lift heavy shit and put it back down so when when you're walking out there with a beer gut i'm not cool with that yeah i think it's bullshit especially and i don't want you on my team yes especially when you're that young and this is supposed to be like you're supposed to show them i am everything that you want to build your it's not like you're ben roethlisberger who has been in the league for forever if you look a little out of shape when you're Ben Roethlisberger

you've earned it you've proved it and like at some point he's also built exactly and there are some things at a certain age sometimes like you can't always control it like you get old shit happens and not that Ben Roethlisberger is old

I don't want to sit here and offend an older generation he's old as fuck for a football player he's old so i it he just rubs me completely the wrong way mac jones i just don't i don't know yeah he's a prime example of what we were talking about earlier where teams reach for the quarterback like they're looking at that fourth fifth quarterback in the first round because they're smarter than everyone and i guess sometimes it's worked not that aaron rogers was the fourth fifth one taken but you know he was taking it and number 23 24 he definitely fell um i'm missing some guys who were i mean mahomes was the third quarterback off the board i think so it can work it's just mac jones doesn't give me the vibes of guy with crazy upside yeah no i i'm definitely with you on that one there are guys like i'm definitely and i talked

about this earlier i'm definitely more sold on trey lance than i am mac jones to me he has so much more potential to make it and what's good about trey i haven't seen i used to heading in the drafts and obviously i've done none of that this, but I used to be a nerd and go and watch tape on all these guys and try to be my own little, well, you know, Mel Kiper back here, Todd McShane it up. But what stands out about him? Because I've never watched a snap that guy's... this is the first year that i've gotten very in to draft usually i know like the who the eagles are looking for like i know who their top targets are i know who the eagles need and i know the biggest names but this is the first year where i can really like break down i'm doing my own mock draft like this is the first time i've really gotten into it i've done research and i understand it like a lot more than just casually watching um it's your business it's my business it's my job it's my livelihood um trey lance he is quick and not

i mean he's quick mobile like he can move but mentally like he he can get the ball off he's got he can sling it like there's just something there. He's powerful. And he makes mistakes. The reason he's going to fall is because he makes some stupid mistakes. And he doesn't come out. And he's not this perfect overall quarterback. And there are some red flags. However, the basics of his athleticism and his mentality,

I can see him being a great quarterback he just needs either a vet guy that can train him up a little bit or a very good coach so that's uh no i won't get my we all i'll come back after on what on all my thoughts for um how the draft actually went down i don't want to give any predictions because this will already well we will have to we'll have to talk like right at the beginning of the season or like right before the season is going to start so you can give a full preview so we'll do it again then but yeah i i know what you mean because like it's also it's such it's prototypical monday morning quarterbacking with the draft i always love like the draft grades the monday after the draft because

it's like yeah we've never seen these guys play a snap but let's give them grades yeah you know we don't know anything yeah it's it's it is a crap shoot in that way and like the draft all together like we put so much hype in it like we make such a big deal out of it you never know you think tom brady at 199th overall like you expected seven super bowls and the greatest of all time like there's so we can sit here and predict everything from the first to last pick and it's still going to be so far from like what actually like the expect expectations that we have now are not going to be all i feel like the only one that we might all get 100 correct is trevor lawrence and he might even you never know never know yeah

there's no such thing as an absolute i mean i feel pretty fucking good about him i do i feel the best i felt about someone coming out i feel stronger about him than i did about luck who was still maybe wasn't as great as he could have been he also stopped early but was still a great quarterback i feel tremendously stronger about trevor lawrence that's how good i'm i'm thinking he's gonna be yeah and i was last season i was very set on joe burrow was gonna be a great nfl quarterback and not that he wasn't he had the unfortunate injury so we didn't really get to see but what we did see from him i see all of the makings of someone that can be a franchise guy and i think he can do wonders for the bangles and i'm hoping

he comes out this season and hopefully they protect him and they do what they have to do but i just i'm confident about trevor lawrence the thing that would scare me about lance is who did he play yeah and that's not his fault but look it worked out with joe flacco coming out of delaware because he wasn't playing against d1a schools. He had led them to a national title, but at D1AA or FBS, whatever the hell they call it now. And it was a question with Wentz too, which now is an unanswered question in some ways. We've seen great Wentz.

We've seen what happened this past year, which I actually think was, I do feel like that's going to end up being an outlier because that was the only year of his career where he was statistically bad. Every other year he was terrific. I do feel like that's going to end up being an outlier because that was the only year of his career where he was statistically bad. Every other year he was terrific. Yeah, and we had no weapons, no O-line, and our play calling was absolutely garbage. And I also – there was also instability there.

But with the Zach Wilson kid, and I don't have this in front of me right now, but I did see an analytics breakdown the other day of teams he played against who were, it was two things. They had to be in one of the main conferences, and they were also of like a certain ranking. And his numbers were piss poor. Yes. And then he beat up on all the little sisters of the poor. Now, it could be because he was playing on BYUu and it's not like they have a special roster but that's scary because when he had a shot great players still find a way to to perform and his numbers were dog shit yeah they were really bad against good teams that's scary to me exactly

because little and i know this is extreme from zach wilson in college but aaron rogers has made guys on his team he's turned wrong like he's never the packers have never gone out and got him like this number one brat like he has always made guys into what they are and they like even davante adams one of if not the best receivers in the league right now yeah and i don't know if he would have gotten there without aaron rogers like he wasn't one of those big names and now he is like you julian edelman the only reason there's even a hall of fame conversation right now is because he played with tom brady i on purpose did not listen to that we're going right at that right now you can't bring that up we're going off topic all right okay i on purpose did not listen to that episode you guys had where I saw you talked about Edelman heavily.

Okay. So I will ask you straight up. Where do you stand on the Julian Edelman Hall of Fame conversation? He is not a Hall of Famer. He's a great receiver. He's not a Hall of Fame receiver. The thing that pisses me off about this conversation is then it has to have the inherent stigma of like you're talking shit on Edelman. I don't want to do that at all.

I love Julian Edelman. I think he to do that at all i love julian edelman i think he was a very good player yes right great leader improbable career i remember when i was like 10 9 or 10 years old week two three or four of the college football season he was quarterback for kent state i think he was a freshman or a sophomore. He was young. And they were playing in Ohio State at their stadium. And they got shellacked. But I remember watching him going, damn, this kid's feisty as fuck. And then he got drafted. And I'm like, you know, that's pretty cool.

He got drafted. He'll last a year. And then he had this whole career. And he was a very good player. Rose to the occasion. Gamer in the playoffs. But if you think for a second that when we can't even get Heinz Ward on a final ballot if you think for a second that Heinz Ward wasn't double the player

Chad Ochoacinco oh my god he changed the position like he evolution like Reggie Wayne yes there's a plethora Sterling Sharp and And it boggles my mind. And I agree with you 100%. He had a very good career, a great career. Three-time Super Bowl winner, one-time Super Bowl MVP. They wouldn't even have gotten one of their Super Bowls if it wasn't for him. That catch against the Falcons. He did wonders.

His postseason stats are literally best of the best. He ranks in receptions, I believe, in the postseason. He ranks only behind Jerry Rice. Yeah. And he played in a lot of them, but still. Exactly. So, like, he had a great career, but this is the Hall of Fame. Like, this is the best.

Tyreek Hill has only been in the league for five years, and he already has 17 more career touchdowns than Julian Edelman Tyree Kill today if if he decided to retire I would put him ahead of Julian Edelman on a ballot 100% of the week exactly and that is just because and that's what like I didn't mean it to sound harsh when I said like Julian Edelman got lucky to be playing with Tom Brady but that's kind of the reality if he was with any other quarterback I don't because they had this special relationship like that whole team just worked like their relationship worked if he was with anybody else I think he would have been a decent receiver but he wouldn't have had the acclimates that he had and it wouldn't be a

conversation in the slightest so if anything I think this just highlights how good Tom Brady actually is. Because the only reason this conversation is even being had is because they were on the team together and he got to be along for that ride with Tom Brady. You also just made a great point, though. And I know this from some of the guys who were around them who actually know them. But he legitimately worked with Brady all offseason. Yes. Like all offseason every year. So it wasn't just like they developed

greater chemistry which they did it was he was he was like a pseudo leader in the realm of of brady as those years went along and there was that buy-in there that made it different than like yo can you catch that ball versus can that guy catch that ball yeah you know it went you can't tell me when brady's thrown randy moss he doesn't feel a hell of a lot better about it than thrown to julian edelman of course he does yeah it's a matter of like the vibe the tone you set and so julian edelman deserves a ton of credit around that but i think this whole thing because you know he's like kind of a rocky story he's this came from a smaller school was playing a totally position, somehow got drafted in the seventh round. That was not supposed to happen, right?

Gets drafted, okay, he's not going to last. Against all odds, you know, playing at a skill position as somebody who had never played there before. Let's call it what it is. He's also a white guy. We're athletically challenged. So, you know, he came past all these odds, and it's a Rocky-h type story i love it

yeah but we've created this culture now where when someone comes against odds we want to give them the top of the food chain of praise and i i saw a similar one on another guy who i love for a lot of other reasons who is an average player and it's who we talked about ryan fitzpatrick there were people there were people last year calling to put him in the hall of fame because of like what a leader he is and how he's had this long nfl career you just can't do that it's participation trophy culture we want everyone to win yeah no and it doesn't work like that the hall of fame is for the guys that came in and changed the league made put up the best of the best numbers so and that's why i get and also i don't understand how the julian element hall of

fame debate turned into an eli manning hall of fame debate like that like this has nothing to do you can't correlate the two one two different positions they're two entirely different conversations so the fact that that is even like an argument in the midst of all this drives me crazy to be honest though cut you off real quick yeah i wouldn't put eli in the hall of fame i don't think he's all a famer that said he's getting in every day of the week at Edelman. Absolutely. It's not even remotely close. Absolutely. And I said, like, I don't even think if you want to put Julian Edelman in, if they get

there, one, well, let me preface, T.O. should have been in much earlier than he was. Absolutely. That was the media, his attitude kind of thing. And that's the only reason Chad Otrusenko isn't in there. I believe. Which I don't really get. I don't get it's not fair yeah but apparently media didn't like him and it's a voting thing he hasn't been able

to make it in whatever if dylan edelman is ever to be in the hall of fame i think it has to be way down the road like whatever and heinz ward chato these are guys that have to get in above him if you give got those guys the credit they deserve and then you still want to give it to edelman whatever who am i to argue but i one don't think it's fair two i don't think he deserved it yeah you you have to draw the line you do and that's a hill i'll die on if people want to come at me and say that i'm being ridiculous that he doesn't belong at dude i wouldn't put him on the ballot i only want people on the ballot who a have a shot to get in and b have have the resume to do it exactly you have far too many like a guy who's not going to get in

i don't think donovan mcnabb yeah donovan mcnabb is a hall of famer every day of the week ahead of julian edelman again it, it's not even remotely close. And so when you start playing, and you have to play that comparison game a little bit, when you start playing that game, you can't name somebody who's not in there right now who's been in that conversation, who he is ranked above in that conversation.

There's nobody. There's literally not one person. So we set this expectation now, and now it's like, oh oh you're being an asshole to a guy coming out of league no i'm not i'm just saying like yeah he's a legend in new england yeah he's a legendary story he's just not getting the gold jacket yeah it shouldn't be that difficult and you know and that's what one he also had such like the way he announced his retirement the love that the page like this should have been such a, like, it should have just been nice, like a great way to go out.

He had this great career. He played all 12 seasons in New England. Like this could have just been like, oh, thank you, Julian Edelman, done. And now it's turned in to this entire argument when it really, there's, I don't think there's an argument to be had. I get he's a three times, like I see all, I get it. I see it. I watched it all happen i you still can't pull any numbers out

that give me any reason to push me to accepting that he's a hall of famer there's nothing there this is what our culture loves to do though we're not content to just be like oh we're enjoying it or like oh he's great or he's great we have to compare everyone yeah put everything i mean it starts all these crazy conversations but it's fun too like i enjoy having them because i also i've been a sports fan since i could before i could talk so there are some guys that i have out there takes on you know like when people say as an example when when people ask me who the greatest wide receiver of all time is i say if you want me to go through and and tell you straight up based on full body of

work and everything who the greatest is it's jerry rice but if you're asking me who my greatest is who one play we got we got to do some shit it's not even close jerry rice isn't in the same territory no disrespect it's randy moss yeah you know so like i enjoy these conversations and stuff but we take them too far on some things and i feel like we're just getting bored sometimes because when you start going in a realm of oh julian edelman hall of fame guy barely made a fucking pro bowl it reminds me of the um lebron james michael jordan yeah yeah and but actually tell me why specifically just because all right so we're comparing julian edelman to all these guys the the problem i have with the LeBron Michael Jordan debate is they are from such different eras and basketball has changed so much from when Jordan was playing.

When he was playing, it was ruthless. They were out there trying to kill him. It was more grit and power than it was actual technical ability. Basketball today is graceful and you can have there's actual tech you know what i mean not saying it wasn't technical but there's a lot more to it now and there's a lot more thought process that goes into it instead of i am just going to run and kill people and get the ball in like it was a tough tough game yes i mean they they bodied each other yes i like it better to be honest i. Watching the last dance, I literally said, I was like, I wish I could go back and watch

basketball like this because I didn't get to enjoy it. I was too, I didn't get to enjoy it. I was going to say, how in touch were you with that beforehand? No, and like, I was, my family, I'm not from a basketball family, so I didn't even really get into it until I was like in my teens. So I know it, and I don't want to say as a pansy thing, but like, they're dramatic. Like they get hit in the arm and they flail. And I guess they need to do that in order to get the fouls and to make it

happen. So like I'm not knocking them, but it's just not like, I miss it. I wish I could have actually enjoyed it the way it was when Michael Jordan played. So, and people get so intense.

LeBron versus Jordan. I personally, I don't know where you stand on it. They are each the best of their time and i personally if you're asking my opinion my answer is michael jordan just because of everything that he's done and everything he's accomplished and lebron is incredible and lebron is the best there is right now and he's one of the greatest that we are ever going to see he's the greatest athletic specimen i have ever seen yes and he is incredible

but you can't michael jordan chain he created and like everything he did was so far past the game so like if you're asking me compare the two and even just basically the way they were playing the grit michael jordan had was unbelievable the things that he made happen like you can't you to me you just can't top that no matter how great you are so and also but on another note you're comparing apples and oranges because the game lebron is playing now is so different than the game jordan was playing and it just kind of like how people are turning the julian edelman hall of fame debate into an eli hall of fame like you it just it's so strange yeah it's just strange to me yeah so I I actually do enjoy when it doesn't get too nasty the LeBron

Jordan talk because it's kind of funny yes but people take it too seriously number one more enjoying less fighting like he's still playing and he's playing at this unbelievably high level and it's incredible watching so let's enjoy it while it lasts while it lasts because he's he's old as fuck now and he's still looks incredible in his prime still like literally in his prime which is amazing but that could end you never know that can end any day so i i want to enjoy that and i don't want to be fighting over stuff i have an interesting take in that yes i'm a jordan guy and i could go into all the reasons why i'm very comfortable with with that and what that is because i'm a basketball junkie like i used to watch like

high school games online when i was like 14 go stream like who the next oh i was nuts so i've watched all jordan's career i i was coming like i could just watch tv at the tail end and like not not when it was with the wizards tail end in 98 with the bulls so i remember watching him play it's like one of my first visual memories period but i believe that if lebron james had played in michael jordan's era he would be by so far the best player to ever play the game because I actually think he's more built for that era because he's a fucking machine. I think he would have killed people. Yeah. I think he would have body bagged people because he wouldn't have been

flailing around. Yeah. And trying to sell fouls. He'd have been he'd have been breaking your face off on the court. And I don't think people could have stood up to it. And so even though, and here's the other thing. LeBron sometimes in his career has gotten the X factor. Sometimes, sometimes. Jordan always had it. Jordan lived with it. Jordan couldn't play ping pong without having the X factor. LeBron doesn't have that.

Yes. If he had lived in that era, everything's environment. He might've, he might've. He came up in the era everything's environment he might have he might have he came up in the era when social media was starting and like this whole had all the crowds and attention on him as well jordan was in the quiet behind the scenes era right and he also came onto the scene when bird and magic were ruling the show and he could kind of rise in chicago and midwest on his own if lebron had had the opportunity to have that environment and also wasn't crowned the king on national tv as a 14 year old who's

impressionable i i think he would i don't think it would be close yeah but he's not he was born in this era and he's phenomenal and i think i don't think there's a question at this point that he's the second greatest to ever do it. I would say that pretty comfortably. No disrespect to Kobe. No disrespect to Wilt Chamberlain. But I will say that. It's just, unfortunately, there was no one like what Michael Jordan did for about an eight-year period there, minus one, where he was retired.

There was no one there's no one like that yeah i agree 100 with everything that you just said and so you enjoyed the last dance though because that was your first taste of it i yes and like i'd gone back and i've watched like michael jordan documentaries and we literally we had to do it for school like i've watched old games but like being able to and the only thing that bothered me about the last dance i will say this i wish it went more in like a chronological order because i i wasn't alive for a lot of it so like i was like kind of jumping around and i was like piecing it together and i knew everything but like i wish i could have just watched it like

play out all the way through but whatever it was i've watched it three times like i can't get it it like hypes me up like it motivates me the best part of that like low-key was when they had on like clinton and obama and it didn't say like president it said like former governor of arkansas yeah former chicago community whatever it said of obama i was fucking cracking up that was hilarious crazy like i'd have been if i were clinton and obama i would have been calling up the producers like are you fucking kidding me it was like the best troll it was like borderline disrespectful but hysterical yes no it was amazing but that was really my first take at like watching how everything really unfolded and it was i literally was and it was like in the height of quarantine i was sitting there like in all of there are no other sports on i was just in love with it and that's when i was always team

jordan like always and not because of my name because there are people that are literally like well you have to be jordan hey i'm not team julian edelman in the hall of fame see thank you and i'm like i'm not i'm not gonna make this debate just because my our names are the same but that kind of solidified it for me and i was like no one can ever change my mind or steer me in another direction heel and another place where you got to defend lebron is that people have compared things that piss off lebron or that pissed them off about lebron's personality and shit which is micromanaged off off the court and everything michael jordan had the luxury of not being in the out social media era because you know michael

jordan's a dog yeah he's oh i think he would have been canceled so fast if he was around in the social media like if his the height of his career was right now he would be canceled every other minute yeah and you know i think lebron has also one of the positives about him is i think he has focused on doing things off the court philanthropically also very close to his roots that jordan never put enough of an emphasis on and there was a different era different expectation although he's around now he's the owner I don't see as I have seen him do some things in the last few years I will say that like he's done and he's been slightly public about some of it so I I do appreciate that I don't want to judge him too hard but LeBron should get a lot of credit for that the whole I promise school and his foundation it's it's very cool it's true to who he was even when he left for miami and did the whole decision thing like he stayed true to that

route there never left that left for la again never left that very very cool but i think the biggest conversation for me is like what i said a little bit ago which is the appreciation instead of just constantly fighting over it because i'll tell, you snap your fingers and a guy's gone. You take for granted what they do. I don't know how much you had to, because you said you weren't into basketball until high school. But, you know, I grew up on Allen Iverson. Allen Iverson was an absolute, absolute soldier on the court. No, I love, and I'm getting my master's from georgetown right now

so no i just i literally said when i made that decision i was like i need an ai college jersey like the holy of threes yeah he it is hard for me to put into word he is my favorite of all time i always tell people i've been lucky enough to be around some stars sometimes they're people right they want to be treated as people i don't really get starstruck it's just like hey man you know wow it's really cool yeah like and that's what they want there are two guys al pacino and alan iverson i could not guarantee that i would not fall all over myself if i met them but with him you know i was a kid young growing up when he was at his best and looking back on it i didn't do anything wrong but you take it for granted yeah it's like oh yeah it's gonna go on throw up 35 tonight no problem on like a bum foot or bum knee or something yeah

you know he's gonna he's gonna start off injured for the first half and shoot 0 for 12 and then come out and win the game in the second half and get beat up by Shaq and and you know still somehow be alive afterwards you take it for granted and then I remember it was like emotional for me when he got traded to Detroit and I saw him lose a step and it was like watching it was like watching an angel lose their wings i mean it was like tough that was so sad because he was still he was still great yeah like he was still better than 95 percent of players in the league but it's like oh he can't make that cut the same and one of the coolest things i ever saw which i've never seen people talk about and it's like a quiet thing because it was for a moment it was for a 12 minute quarter really but now it has a whole different meaning to it and i'm glad i appreciated it long before anything bad happened

but you'll understand what i mean in a second when ai came back to the sixers for a few months in 2010 and he was not at that that was the year after detroit now he was back like five steps i mean his body was just finally saying yo you beat us up too much there was a game in January that year against in Philly against the defending champion LA Lakers and Kobe and AI always had a thing obviously same draft class competitive but good friends and Kobe was Kobe at the day he was the best player in the league yeah AI was now lost a step and the sixers like in the first half kind of hung in there maybe they were down i forget maybe they were down like 12 at the half or something and then in the third quarter going

like a few minutes into the third quarter this thing happened that lasted into the first half of the fourth quarter where the clock turned back time for those 12 minutes and alan iverson and kobe bryant started dueling and like they were guarding each other and shit and you're just i remember watching at my kitchen just stopping and the hairs on my arms were standing up this is like February maybe of or January of 2010 and you're just seeing Allen Iverson be Allen Iverson for like the last 10 minutes and it turns out this is one of his last games he ever played and you see that thing in Kobe where he's like yo I know the Sixers suck but like this this is this is the championship right here and these two greats just start going at it and you're like damn damn. And then it ended.

And now years later, I think about that where they basically both had 20 points in a span of 12 minutes and assists and everything and just running the court. And I'm like, when you are seeing this as guys get longer in the tooth, you don't know when the last time is going to be. So instead of just fighting and bitching over shit, just watch it and be like, that person was put on this earth to do this thing, and I'm going to enjoy that right now. Yeah. We have to do more of that as a culture. We do. Wow, that was really inspirational. Now you're going to make me regret ever hating on Tom Brady because I feel like that's going to be one of those things where I look back and I'm like, I really got, like, my kids are going to ask me about Tom Brady.

We've seen him for so long, I feel like. He's earned it all but it's not just that i feel like you definitely even if you like loathe it you have appreciated it because you've watched it yeah that's true that's true i just i don't i i don't i know i don't give him and maybe i'm hard on him just because like he is the best and like i expect the best from him but like as if he hears me but but i i don't know i definitely i take it a little too tough on him sometimes because he is the goat he is question on him though because let's just say let's give him another super bowl which is actually still

it's a definite possibility but it's hard to do because like you don't know but let's give him one okay which is not conservative but let's say he ends with eight and he plays what is he 42 right now 43 he's 42 okay so he plays till he's 44 or 45 do you think even though he did just beat him in a super bowl do you think patrick mahomes can have that kind of staying power in that kind of career and be the best to ever do it because i will preface this and say that as far as any player at any position on the football field with the most talent i have ever seen it's him yeah i've never seen anything like that no life patrick mahomes overall is the most talented athlete ever.

Nobody can, not athlete, football player. Yeah, I was going to say LeBron James. Yeah, no. I'll argue that all day. Yes. No, let me, football-wise, the greatest, the most athletic, the most talented we've ever seen. And not even I've ever seen, that we have ever seen. However, it is going to be, that's the next nfl debate brady or mahomes like long term

like that's what i think people are going to debacle years from now yeah after brady retires like that's going to be the conversations that people are having and i said it before this super bowl i said if brady beats mahomes today i don't know if mahomes no matter how many accolades he has one I think he would have to if he would have to top Brady in Super Bowls which is extreme going to be extremely hard to do if he does that then I think he takes the cake if he doesn't no matter how talented no matter his numbers I still think Brady would have the upper hand on that argument just because you can say well brady beat mahomes and there's twice and there's a lot to that because mahomes played that game with the most heart and soul i've ever mahomes did not lose this super bowl for the chiefs no he

didn't there was so many other factors so like even saying that kind of brady lost to eli twice too exactly but so there's so it is going I think there is but like I said Patrick Mahomes is going to have to come back and win seven eight Super Bowls which not out of the question if the Chiefs can it's not like if someone's going to do it it's going to be him but for him to be able to come back and top Brady he needs to have that many rings on his hand hands I agree with you 100% on that it is a rings game with that so he will need to do that I also though have never seen a player where a play can be the most broken thing of all time and you're like no they're good like every play can be a touchdown in that first half specifically there were like five balls that he threw that frankly could have been caught or should

have been caught yeah absolutely like how the fuck did he do that and if he lands two of those that's a different game and it wasn't on him that they didn't land. Oh, yeah. You know, like, just, and we were at the Maxwell Awards in 2019 in Atlantic City when he, which, wow, that's fucking two years ago. That's insane. But we were running media there. And he and Andy Reid, he won, like, the MVP award for the NFL. Andy Reid won coach of the year. So they came in together. And they're, by the way, like, that's real.

Yes. They are, like, Andy Reid's mom and Patrick, or Andy Reid's wife and Patrick are extremely close. Like, the whole, way like that's real yes they are like andy reed's mom and patrick or andy reed's wife and patrick are extremely close like the whole like that's very real but the thing about him is that in addition to what i've seen on camera he is one of the largest human beings i've ever seen like there's no way he's like i don't i don't know what they have his weight listed at it's wrong i got the first time I ever saw him, I was getting out of the elevator at the trop. Fucking God, they dragged him out to the Tropicana in Atlantic City. What a goddamn trooper.

But I get out of the elevator in the trop and through the haze and, you know, like all the smoke going through the goddamn place. Patrick Mahomes is walking from me to this Joel Embiid statue right in front of me. And I remember looking because I know it's him because of the hair right in the way without even seeing his face. I remember looking up and being like, what the fuck? He's just a beast of a human being. Oh, my God. He could beat up Brady with his two fingers like that. You know, it's, and me saying that about the argument and, like, I can't say enough good things about patrick mahomes like

you just can't he's a gamer too he's a like he knows what he's he's smart he's like and remember when he's a kneecap cat pop he came back in three weeks he's got he's got jeans yes he's got some like and so you get nervous like you're like oh well what if he gets i'm like not worried about like if you can come back from that as quick as he did and just still be you after like he is not human like he's just unreal but i still think even though even already he is more athletic than brady ever has been like without question but yet brady will still top him in the greatest of all time argument just because of the superbowls so and what he's been able to make happen well the other let me add a twist to it and then i want to you just introduce a topic you don't know you introduced it's a great conversation all right but quick twist all right

let's say mahomes and brady have a rematch this year in the super bowl and mahomes wins and then you know brady retires within a couple years mahomes goes on if he can get to let's say he has to get to eight rings yeah he'll be listed as better oh absolutely i'm like you we said it it's literally going to come down and it's, it sucks. And it pisses me off that that's how it's going to be because you know, overall, Patrick Mahomes is going to have a better career than Brady. He already had like, literally like you're there statistically. But it's going to come down to, he needs to win the big game as many times as he possibly

can. And that is going to be the determining factor. The one thing that is going to make this interesting is if he doesn't get there they both this is now we're years down the road mahomes at the end of his career or already retired and people are having the debate if mahomes doesn't reach all those rings no shot and say he they never rematch or if he loses to brady again in a super bowl like now you have that where brady has his upper hand and he has the big like so it's definitely going to be interesting mahomes has to step up big and just keep going back to the super bowl yeah it's so early too like that

we're talking years down that a lot of shit can happen between now and then but i you know from a from a talent perspective i've never seen as i said i've never seen anything like him if it and this is not a shot at mahomes because i as i said mahomes has the x factor like he's that guy he's a worker and everything but you know tom brady's a sociopath yeah he is if you gave tom brady patch he would have never lost a game yeah in the end of he would be 1000 he hasn't played a thousand games but you know what i mean he'd be like 200 and 0 in his nfl career he would have never lost 300 whatever it is 400 no he would have never lost a game that is how much talent patrick mahomes has yeah which leads to the next question on brady that you just introduced okay which is this whole thing, and I'm being a hypocrite because I said we shouldn't be comparing all these things, but this is less of a comparison one.

It's worth the question. You heard people say when they're saying GOAT after the Super Bowl, which he was already the GOAT. Yeah. I don't know why that just – I mean it didn't just become a thing, but for some people it did. They're like, oh, he's the greatest athlete of all time because now they're comparing him across sports and people get really hung up on the term athlete so when i think athlete i'm combining in like physical abilities and shit like that which you know tom brady runs a 5 5 40 you know he's he's built like a cheese doodle. He is. Do you remember his... He's not the athlete.

Do you remember the pictures from when he got drafted? No, he's come a lot farther. He's aged backwards, first of all. Literally, if you look at... It's insane. Something going on there. There's something. But you look at that guy and you're like,

this man is not going to do anything in the NFL. He just didn't look like... He looked like he worked as an accountant. That was the body he had and he's turned into this. Wait, but wait. I want to continue where you were going. No, I'm putting it out there. Do you think...

So I don't... For me, it comes down to the term of athlete. Okay. If you want to have Yo, is he the greatest of all time across sports because of what he's accomplished in his sport? First of all, I think it's really difficult to compare across sports. That's the first thing. So I already think it's kind of a dumb argument, right? If you're going to do it, though, and you're going to say greatest athlete of all time. Are you just saying by the definition of athlete, someone who competed in a game versus athlete, like also abilities and stuff?

Because if you want just pure abilities, we could sit here and talk about Bo Jackson. And no disrespect to Bo, Hall of Famer, amazing, amazing player. It's not like you're saying, like, is Bo Jackson the GOAT of football? No, he wasn't. Right? But he was maybe the greatest athlete to ever play the game. I think it's a mix of the two. So, like, if you're talking greatest

athlete, I can't put Brady with, if part of my definition falls into, like, physical ability, I can't put Cheese Doodle above LeBron James. I can't put him above Michael Jordan. No, that I think Brady, the way it should be worded when you're talking about Brady,

Brady is one of the greatest leaders that has ever played any sport ever. You nailed it. That's what I think, yes. And that's what it comes down to because it's not that he's the most athletic, but he's smart and he knows how to take every person that's on his roster and utilize them to the best of their ability from the second the game starts to the second the game ends he is planning everything down to that last second like he can see it so there is something there but it's not necessarily physical at all like and obviously you have to be somewhat physical to do what he does but what makes brady brady is his leadership and his mental like how he can see the game

agreed a hundred percent agreed and and you nailed it with the leader thing like that's where i say like when i'm saying goat that's that's half of it yeah he's just he is a dog on the field and he has absolutely no chill like in the sense that he's this skinny cheese doodle, as I call him, and he doesn't give a fuck how big you are. He'll walk up to you and tell you, I'm going to kill your fucking family. Yeah. Like, he doesn't. He's a sociopath.

I think that that plays into it and makes him a part of, like, it's a part of his. Like, I love that Teron Matthew thing. And he'll be pretty good after the game like he'll be like hey you know i shouldn't have done that i'm sorry but like when he goes between the lines he's a dick yes and it's i love it like people rip on him for that i'm all yeah no when he got into i was so for it because he was all up on him that whole game like the camera was more on tyron than it was on patrick mahomes yeah so and it was all up on him that whole game. Like the camera was more on Tyron than it was on Patrick Mahomes. Yeah.

So, and it was all him being pissed and egging it on and egging it on. So when Tom Brady finally was like enough and he chased him down and went after him, I was like, yes, King. Like I loved seeing that side of him. Yeah. It's, there's something in the competitive juices when you see that in some guys, it just, it gets you going you're like this is this is what they live breathe and shit and they don't care about anything else and it's like it's it's

along the lines of what i was saying earlier if i was paid to be an athlete and i loved it i should love it yeah if i you know it's something every kid dreams like if you actually can get there you should love it you know you you want to give it everything you have and like for me that was what was so on another note that was what was so rewarding as a longtime fan of michael vick who was very disappointed in him with what he did because obviously like i'm a dog lover too it's fucking terrible yeah but you know he in my opinion as far as like someone who came back with a second chance and knocked it out of the park like as a human being off the off the field even more importantly frankly in that case but then also on the field and reigniting that and and seeing you know he was a little guy yeah and seeing that that type

of competition level i will always respect the dog in him because he did have that and it's like i can't believe i just said dog i'm sorry i that was really fucked up i didn't mean to do that i swear to god i have bad luck with michael vick so i told a story on another podcast you'll love this one okay we had our senior year of college my I lived with a bunch of, my buddies were all football players at school. So our one friend sends us a group text June before senior year and says, guys, I'm really thinking about, I think we should have a house dog.

We're living off campus. We're doing whatever. We should talk about this. And we're all like, okay, we'll talk about it. Get a text 10 hours later. Guys, after a long time thinking about this, I've decided to get a dog congratulations his name is Lucius here's a picture I'm like oh so he just decided but you know it's like we love you Connor but anyway so he gets his dog and he buys a little blue nose Pitbull who was like the sharpest looking dog

I've ever seen like Lucius was like unbelievable, like should have been a dog model. And so we raised this little puppy and he had to be a people dog too. So we raised him to be like kind of a pussy, right? So at which he's not now, but he's like, he's not like when you think like nasty pit bull, which also isn't fair.

Yeah. He is the farthest thing from that, like just a sweetheart. And so Lucius freshman year or senior year at the beginning me and my other friend who was retired from the football team basically were raising the dog for a few months while they were in season so i would take him for walks and he's a little puppy at the time and so one day very early on in the year is a nice day and i'm like all right let's see if he can last up the campus he starts pulling me i'm like oh shit right, let's see if he can last up the campus.

He starts pulling me. I'm like, oh, shit, he's going to last. And we would keep stopping by people. You know, it's like you're walking a dog on a college campus. I know what I'm doing. Right? Like it's a total like, all right. It's definitely a move. Who am I meeting at the bar tonight after this one?

So, you know, they're all stopping by. And they're like, oh, my God, you're such a cute dog. Look at your dog. And they would all look up at me and then like double take and give me like an almost nasty look and then like move along. And I was like, what the fuck? This is so weird. And so I make my way around campus, come back, and I'm like, this is still happening. Why is everyone looking at me funny?

And so I get back to the house and back then there was an app called yik yak which was basically it it later folded because they couldn't control the bullying on there but it was this thing where it was popular on college campuses especially because anyone could post any tweet like pseudo tweet on the app like a yik yak anonymously about shit going on and it was seen by people in a 10 mile radius so you can imagine what kind of shit happened on there so then people would like it and it was very one-dimensional and that was it so i get on there and there's one all the way at the top with like 3 000 likes on it from about 10 minutes before and there's like 4 000 kids went to school so i'm like holy shit and it reads is it just me

or it was like am i really high right now or is there a dude walking a pit bull puppy in a michael vick jersey and i looked down i'm like oh no when you said when you literally were telling that story and you're like and everyone kept looking at me and walking away i was like tell me he was walking this dog in a michael vick jersey yeah so i i bad luck with that but anyway back to what i was trying to say about michael vick he there was just that thing about him not just the it factor but you talk about being an athlete and like when you think great athlete he was different yeah i had grant wiley in here who won Big East Rookie of the Year the year after Vic won. And he played against Vic, sacked him, tried to kill him on the way out of bounds one time. And he was like, you just knew.

You're on the field with this guy and you're like, oh, I'm in the presence of something different. Yeah. And so it's no shot at Brady when I say this stuff. But when we're talking like greatest athlete yes you do get that feeling with him when you're on the field with him i'm sure because he's the goat and like he's tom brady but from a physical perspective and ability perspective you're not like oh this is the greatest thing i've ever seen he's just tom fucking brady yeah he finds a way and he's smarter than you he works harder than you and so he's going to win more than you but it's not like you know jordan jumping from the foul line or michael vick running a fucking

4-1-40 down the sideline and making everyone look stupid it's a different conversation absolutely you know i agree with that no no comeback on me no i'm good i still like that i still can't get over that story of you walking the dog that's what's in my mind right now i'm good i still like that i still can't get over that story of you walking the dog that's what's in my mind right now i'm never gonna live that down it was like i'm like open about it i share it now because it's like it's a part of my story but you know that was that was my low moment and i don't think people ever took me seriously again on that campus as far as like owning the dog but i swear to god like he was you know he was a he was a great dog and we loved him and you know we don't condone any of that other stuff so no and the thing with michael vick too he was very accountable for everything that he did wrong like and that's my thing people will

fuck up and sometimes it's a lot worse than others but if you can sit here and you can own up to what you did and you can do everything in your power, you can't erase what he did. But he it's not like he slid it under the rug. Like he did everything he could to learn from it and to rebuild. And he came back from it. And that is something I can condone in a person like I can I can respect. I'm not going to ever forgive, but I can respect everything that you've done to rebuild from it. Been a dog owner for a decade now, too.

Yeah. I don't think people really talk about that, but that's a fact. Yeah. You know, he was, and the other thing is, not to relitigate that, but I have a lot of empathy for environment and stuff, and what people have to understand, it does not make it right at all. But he was from Newport News, Virginia, which is a very, very rough neighborhood. Very rough neighborhood. And they – he came up in an environment where they did not view pit bulls as dogs. It wasn't like that.

And very wrong. Don't get me wrong. But, like, since he was a kid, that was a thing. They did that. Pit bulls are born to fight. Like in Mexico, they have cock fighting with roosters. Same shit. That's how they treated pit bulls.

And so it was very stupid of him. It was very, very wrong. I'm in no way condoning it. But it's like you have to have some empathy for like, yo, he just was dumb enough to not step like as a young athlete who thought he had the world by the balls not step back and be like wait is this like a thing or is this not a thing yeah he didn't ask that question that was really and it was very cruel everything that happened but once he got caught and like had to own up for everything first of all he was punished way worse than the sentencing guidelines are he paid for it dearly and lost

everything and has handled everything phenomenally since then i think has been a great example for people on and off on and off the field and i i admire that i like a comeback story like that and i like people who are real about it and in my opinion he's been 100 real and 100 forthcoming on the whole thing too yeah definitely so it's like what more can you ask and and you know it's not just like oh you want to see your great athlete get back on the field. Of course we all do. But, you know, you want to make sure you're watching good people.

Even if he never played another snap of football again, everything that he did to come back from that, I can respect. And the fact that he did come out and play and he played very, very well. That just kind of, it's a whole, it's like the fairy, not fairytale ending, but it's like that nice ending of it's a whole it's like the fairy not fairy tale ending but it's like that nice ending of he went through shit he did everything he could to come back and then he could still rebuild his career at the end so similar similar vibe by the way i remember watching that green bay game where he came in in the second half in the kelly green and kevin cobb got hurt which was the start of that magical 2010 season very similar vibe feeling in that second half as to as the iverson kobe game because i didn't know like am i ever

gonna see this again and i'm like holy shit michael vick just turned into michael vick again for like a minute and turned out we had it for the whole season and then glimpses of it for the next few years but you never know and so when you just like when you have that moment where you're watching something like holy shit wow that just happened just you gotta appreciate it yeah absolutely but one thing i i do want to talk about before we go is this upcoming football season and some very way too early predictions okay specific question for you all right is who's the and you're not allowed to say the san diego chargers for obvious reasons. San Diego Chargers? The Los Angeles.

I'll never get that right. It's going to be the Oakland Raiders. It's going to be the San Diego Chargers. It's going to be the St. Louis Rams. It's fine. I'm going to be telling my kids, did you watch the St. Louis game today? I swear to God.

Anyway, the LA Chargers. You're not allowed to say them for obvious reasons. Who are some dark horse teams this year that you think are maybe going to come out of nowhere or pseudo nowhere and actually contend i don't want okay so the two that initially come to my mind they're not completely coming out of nowhere dolphins and cardinals guaranteed playoff appearances this season yeah the cardinals and i want to i have to go back on my word a little bit because when JJ Watt originally picked the Cardinals, sat there in my video and I said, I'm super confused by this.

I said, he wanted to go to a team that's a contender. I don't see it here. But from the way he, and like, I trust him because I trust the way he looks at a team and the respect he has for Kyler Murray, the faith that he has in that organization, along with all of the other moves, they've been sneaky, subtle moves, the faith that he has in that organization, along with all of the other moves, they've been sneaky, subtle moves, but everything that they have done. Thank you to the Houston Texans. Yes. For fucking up royally on one. DeAndre Hopkins is one of, if not the, like my favorite player. I've like, he just does it for me. So phenomenal, but not like absolutely.

And he has one of the greatest stories he is just a great human being so the cardinals are my dark horse i'm and you're a big kyler guy gal i wasn't i wasn't i when he won offensive rookie of the year that what was not last year the year before i was livid i was like how can you skip? He didn't do anything. You had Josh Jacobs. You had DK Metcalf. You had Miles Sanders that I thought would have deserved it over him. Yeah, it was the quarterback bias.

Yeah, it really was. And I was like, how can you take away? Because MVP, it's not a quarterback thing, but it is a quarterback thing. And every once in a while, you get offensive rookie of the year. I don't think it has to be and you had a handful of other guys that deserved it way more than him not saying he did anything wrong but he just didn't do anything spectacular he did nothing to knock me knock my socks off so i was pissed so then i went into last season feeling a little i had like this edge against him like i was just a little rough just because i was still

a little butthurt from that but he did everything he had to do to kind of earn my respect and i was like this kid has it this kid has something and i didn't know if his height was going to be an issue and it still might down the road but the connection that him and deandre already have after one season together was insane and now all the moves that they have made i just they're coaching i just think they are totally moving in the right direction and the dolphins i already went on my dolphins rant i just think this team is special like i just think they have this energy and like they need to it'd be great they need to it'd be great and i i will stand i will say it right now i think to uh maybe not this season i think this

season he'll be good but i think in the next couple of years next two years we'll see great from him they are they're close i definitely playoffs definitely playoffs this season but um frick i forget where i got so caught on my dolphin i literally love this team um no i i literally can't say enough great things about him and the cardinals i i'm not gonna sit here and say they're going on a super bowl run right now but i would say dark horse super bowl contenders this is the year i think they could be the nfc championship game and like yeah make a run at it and who knows? Maybe fuck around and get in there because they do have a good team. I agree with you on Kyler. It depends.

The height thing now can at least go either way. I think in the past it really has hurt guys. I think it hurt Vic. If Michael Vic were born at 6'3", he'd be the greatest quarterback to ever play the game. He was that good. But there was always that because he also played low to the ground, and so it hurt him behind the line because he also played low to the ground and so it hurt him

behind the line because he couldn't always see the field literally like you know you got to see over lineman and everything and he didn't have that height russell wilson has completely been able to not have a problem with that whatsoever he also plays left to right kyler to me has a lot of the same russell wilson like also dark horse here with this aaron rogers vibes aaron rogers does not get enough credit for playing outside the pocket like he's a great pocket quarterback and i don't have percentages for you i'm sure he plays a large percentage where he's able to stay in there but aaron rogers moves left to right and can play outside the pocket at such a fucking high level i'd have to go look at the analytics i don't think i ever have but you know that's like a thing because these quarterbacks when they come up

they're taught seven step drop five step drop get in there read the field make your progressions to be able to play on the fly and move left to right that's a very special town and kyler's got it yes and i also think now this is also just a connections thing but it felt like this season him and deandre understood each other so well and like for example and i know this is a one in a million the hail murray against the buffalo bills hail murray i will never get over that um it literally was straight up trust and And he launched that thing. He could not, I fully believe he could not see.

He might have even said that he couldn't see. He was scrambling. I didn't even think he was going to get it off. That was the best throw of the season. That was in, it wasn't number one, like at the end of the season.

And it drove me, it was incredible because. His body was contorted. Yes. He threw from the right side. Didn't he run like 10 yards back before even getting it off? And his body was contorted yes he threw from the right side because he's a right like 10 yards back before even getting it off and his body his hips were falling out of bounds and his arm stayed cocked like it with his pec like if you're watching right now you can see

what i'm doing but his pec like stretched and he slung it 50 yards falling down in the other that was one of the most unbelievable throws i've ever seen in my life so i think like obviously height is important but when like you said he has the russell wilson qualities but i think the trust that he has in his teammates and the vibe that that team is creating like everything that they are doing in arizona i think that is also going to be what takes them to the next level because it reminds me of eagles the year we won the super bowl we had no business winning the super bowl that year talent like we yeah it i know the vibe and our energy and our confidence and our trust and that brotherhood the underdog meant everything that is what got us there and that is sometimes

what it takes and so arizona for them to have all of this talent, but then to also seem to be building these great relationships and this trust in teammates, I think that is what's going to make them next level. And their defense is pretty stacked now. Yeah. Oh my God, yeah. Who else is on? JJ? Chandler Jones is on there. Who else? I'm blanking out.

Wait, I also, like I like i said baker mayfield not my favorite person ever i don't even really want to go down this road but also i'm kind of scared of the browns this season just because odb's back yeah and like can that defense with miles garrett and jadavian clowny now i know last season we didn't see davian clowny looking like himself but i think one just having miles garrett on the opposite side of that like on the same defense like that will motivate him enough and i think that's going to make him next level and like as an offense like how do you plan like how do you attack like that's scary to go up against yeah they the browns on paper are really fucking good did they re-sign kareem hunt

uh i believe i don't know i actually i gotta check yeah because like also with i believe still going on like free agency was like oh you know it's not the same i i like meaning i'm not tracking it like I usually do. Contracts were rolling out. I'd see news like, oh, I guess free agency is still going on. It's not like, oh, what's happening? Day one. It's a different world.

Yeah. No, it's – and this free agency was bizarre. Yeah, he's still with the Cleveland Browns. Okay. Because his whole thing aside, he's obviously a great player though. They're stacked. They are. They are very, very stacked. his whole thing aside he's obviously a great player though they're stacked they are they are very very stacked and i think i think odell beckham you know i never know how rehab processes

are going but a couple things he's one of the hardest workers in the entire league which he doesn't get enough credit for secondly acl injuries still take a while to come back from but it's a it's it is not what it used to be guys can have no fucking problem being their full self just because of how far the medicine or the medical side of it's come but i would look out for him to have a absolutely monstrosity of a season i don't know if he's gonna stay before you think he'll be gone before this i think there's a chance and i think it would honestly trade obviously yeah and i i think it's smart for them because they have they don't necessarily like they don't need him and that we saw that from them towards the end of the season like they were playing well

without him they need baker to keep stepping up their defense needs to keep and it's going to be fine so i'm not even worried about that But think about what they could get for him. A team like our Eagles would give up whatever they could to get him, and I think he would fit well with us. And there's a couple other teams that definitely have the hole to fill and would need him, and then they can build up all this capital that keeps moving them in the right direction. Where they can allocate it to other positions.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't, I still feel like just because of the vibe, they'd be selling low right now. And I don't think they're going to do that. And I think they're fucking curious. I think once they got clicking last year,

I think they want to see what it's like with Beckham. Because I also felt like, don't get me wrong, he did some dumb things, always on the field, by the way.'s a he is a great guy off the field which is unfair when they call him out for that shit because he yeah he is and i know this for a fact he does a lot of shit in the community and he wants no recognition for

it some of the stories i've heard about shit he's done if people knew it they'd be like wow like he's a hell of a guy so that's always been been unfair. He's just, you know, like some of the stuff on the field with like, what was it? Hugging the goalpost or not the goalpost, the practice goal thing. And I think it's overblown because it's him. But A, he knows he's got a short window to earn. B, he knows he plays football where he's got a helmet on as well at a skill position. So he can't market himself like other positions in other sports by the way so what does he do he does the fucking blonde hair thing after the catch and brands himself forever brilliant i have no problem with that and i also think he's this phenomenal player and you know i want to see him get the chance to to show that again because you know i've always felt like that was underappreciated. Because he was a gamer in New York.

They just had bad teams. And Eli, at the end of his career, was not great. He really wasn't. No. Yeah. No. And I like everything that he's doing there. I think.

And that's what's so frustrating about them. And that's why I think it comes back to Baker as well. Because it's not like tom brady on the patriots that was making guys at like making things happen with julianne like random baker mayfield has all of the options and i think the problem cleveland has had they haven't had an identity for a while like they were definitely an identity crisis and like you might not think when you have all that talent that that matters but it genuinely does like when you're going through coaches as crazy as they were when they couldn't just be consistent now i think they're in a position where they can

start defining who they are and take it to the next level and i think this is the season that baker has to step up because if he doesn't with your defense as stacked as it is with your offense as stacked as it is there is no more excuses and they have a great head coach now like there there's no reason for this team to not be great yeah they showed a little they showed a flash of it last year yeah we got towards the end they they started and there was a i didn't there was a one point where i was like i don't think the ravens are making the playoffs like i thought the browns were 100 in over the ravens at one point and i didn't think they could come back and they did and it was fine because i'm i'm a big lamar person um i love lamar yeah i i and i think lamar

i think lamar's continually gotten like people said oh you know you didn't win the mvp last year you took a step back now i i think he's become such a better quarterback since the day he stepped into the league because he always knew that he was this crazy athlete yeah just do crazy shit but his arm strength was phenomenal it was just a matter of like how refined is he going to get with actually like touch passes and things like that? And dude, I think he's really good. Yes, and I'm so glad. I knew that the Ravens weren't going to be a Super Bowl team.

Halfway through, you just saw it. They didn't have it. There was some issue. Like, they got screwed with COVID. Like, they had a lot of shit to deal with throughout the season, and it was affecting them. They didn't look like the Ravens that they did the season prior so I just knew this wasn't a Super Bowl team but all I wanted was them to get into the playoffs and Lamar to have a playoff win under his belt because now you can wipe all of that mental shit from his head he knows he did it you don't have that stereotype or that that

storyline anymore he accomplished that and I think that clears the way for them to make the steps moving forward. Ravens are going to be an interesting team, and I've always been a hardball guy. So I think he's done a nice job bridging different generations of that team too. You know, that's hard to do because, like, when, you know, they won a Super Bowl and then you end up taking steps back and stuff, it's hard to keep the locker room as the same face it's just a natural thing but you know he's been there i guess

13 ish years now something like that he's been there a long time done a great job and and obviously former eagles guys are root for him yeah but so many are former eagles guys but listen i'm gonna have to have you in at the beginning of the season to go over some stuff. But this was awesome. I have not been able to have a pure sports conversation yet on here. I have another guy coming in in a few weeks who I know we're going to do that with. But it's nice to be able to do this again and also feel like we might, knock on wood here, have somewhat of a normal season coming up across our sports where there's fans and shit's getting back to normal.

Again, knock on wood. Fingers crossed. It's nice to have a preview so early on. Jordan, thanks for doing this. sports where there's fans and shit's getting back to normal again knock on wood fingers crossed it's nice to have a preview so early on and jordan thanks for doing this yes thank you so much for having me i needed this it's like the perfect therapy session oh that's exactly what that's what we do in the bunker we talk things out but by the way before you go tell people where they can find your podcast and your youtube channel and i'll put the links in the description as well perfect yeah so my youtube channel, I post weekly. I'm Sporty Geordie, all one word, on YouTube.

You can find my Twitter for that at the Sporty Geordie and my Instagram, which I post all the time. Instagram, if you need me, that's where to find me. I'm at the underscore Sporty Geordie. And then every Wednesday night, I co-host a podcast called Onside Chicks. My co-host is Kaylee. We stream live on youtube and twitch wednesday night 8 p.m eastern time and when are the episodes available after that like for i believe download for i believe it's that night or the next morning whenever yeah like

guys turn it right around yes we get it up so love it it's usually worst case scenario it's usually the next morning but usually as soon as we're done they're ready apple uh spotify um and then our instagram for that's onside chicks and our twitter is onside chicks pod i'm gonna have to watch you on twitch too because i i really have like never been on twitch but it's a wild community on there yes no and that's where we get because we use stream yard to put so we can we get comments and we can like see what people are saying and it's been crazy cut the interaction so we didn't really promote it we kind of like decided to do it and then just started doing it and it's been slow but it's growing and twitch is crazy to me and it it's policy what you guys are doing too because it's like it's a sausage fest in there yeah you're

going you're going into uncharted waters but i think it's genius and it's a sausage fest in there. Yeah. You're going, you're going into uncharted waters, but I think it's genius. And, and if, if that was your producer's idea, genius. Yeah. Shout out to Evan for that one. Cause that, that you guys are definitely going to hit a niche that not a lot of people are touching in there. And you guys really like, you guys got to listen to this podcast. They they'll talk you under the table with football.

So I'm just saying, but Jordan, thank you. We'll do it again. Thank you. Everybody else, you know what it is. Give it a thought. Get back to me. Peace.