Julian Dorey Podcast - #52 - Gio Kay: THE MUSIC INDUSTRY; WHY THE EDUCATION SYSTEM IS BROKEN; THE CONSUMER MINDSET; AKTIVE RECORDS

Episode Date: June 16, 2021

Giorgios “GIO KAY” Karadonis is a Record Executive, Artist Manager, Music Publisher, & Producer. Currently, he is the Founder & CEO of Aktive Records. Furthermore, in 2020, Gio founded Fazo Unlimited, a music distribution company serving independent artists. ***TIMESTAMPS*** 8:03 - That time Gio dislocated Julian’s shoulder; “Being a boss”; Partners over employees 24:38 - The 3 Types of People who exist in this world; The entrepreneur mindset; The problems with the US school system; Gio rips the banking system as a parallel of the education system; Why aren’t Bruce Springsteen & Bon Jovi taking us all to school? 48:17 - Why Gio lives for what he does; Building Aktive Records; Pop Culture, Social Media, and why the youngest generations drive everything; Gio gives his twelve cents on the Clubhouse App 1:04:36 - Cancel Culture and why it makes no sense 1:13:26 - The consumer mindset; “If your work is good, people will come”; Why plan B’s and C’s are misguided 1:26:44 - The parallels between the schools, the education system and corporate culture; The Student Debt Crisis and Why College debt is a disgraceful system 1:41:53 - When the rebel becomes the establishment; The Winklevoss Twins and why Gio thinks they’re “Cappers”; Steve Jobs and the customer’s desires; Gio talks about his Greek roots 2:09:07 - The stigma behind sticking to your culture; Gio talks about living in Greece during the height of the Pandemic; “People who know but don’t know” 2:19:31 - Julian and Gio talk about The Borgata; The problem with people who “claim” relationships; The court of public opinion; Gio talks about his brother (Rapper, Lil Benzy) and the development of his career; Gio and Julian talk Generational Wealth; The guys listen to Lil Benzy’s new unreleased song ~ YouTube EPISODES & CLIPS: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0A-v_DL-h76F75xik8h03Q  ~ Get $100 Off The Eight Sleep Pod Pro Mattress / Mattress Cover: https://eight-sleep.ioym.net/trendifier  Julian's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/julianddorey  ~ Beat provided by: https://freebeats.io  Music Produced by White Hot Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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And I'm sitting there like, God damn, bro. This shit really is lonely. I'm in a crib full of people right now listening to some dumb shit. This is lonely as fuck, bro. I got nobody to talk to right now. I'm dealing with little girls trying to play ride the bus. Pause. What the fuck is ride the bus?

Why are you 22, 23 playing ride the bus pause what the fuck is ride the bus why are you 22 23 playing ride the bus come fuck with me let me open you an llc let me build your business credit seriously by the way fucking llc c corp it's less tied limited liability what's cooking everybody i am joined in the bunker today by my friend geo caradonis i've known geo since he was five or six years old if you listen to last week's podcast with nico carolitis nico's younger brother andrew and geo grew up together as best friends so that's how i knew him and man life has changed we are we are out there doing our things and Gio has been deep in the music business since he was literally like 18 years old He's done it under the same company that he started active records and he's been pretty much exclusively on the marketing and promotion side Done a nice job there built up a big rolode, and now he's actually turning towards the ultimate vision,

which was building out a full-blown record company through Active Records. He was always thinking ahead with the records thing. So it was nice to see him in person. I haven't seen him in person in a long time. I get to talk to this guy on the phone once in a while. We text all the time just to kind of chat. I shouldn't say all the time, but throughout the year, we'll check in on each other, see what we're doing. He does a lot of business out in europe so again haven't haven't been around them but i love having his energy in here he is all gas no brakes man what you hear on this podcast this is what he's always been like this is how he is you will agree with some things he says you will disagree with some things he says but he is one of the most passionate people

you'll ever hear so i appreciate guys who come in in and give their full-blown opinions on stuff and don't hold back. And he is definitely one of those guys. One other note on this episode. I am recording this intro a couple days before I release this, and I'm about to hit the road and finish my edit probably tonight after I get there. So I'm only a third of the way through the edit. But I know for a fact at some point you will hear the sonic brand like and it'll cut from where we are to the end where I say give it a thought, get back to me. I don't know if that's going to be at like 230 or 245, whatever it is. I'll figure that out later but i'm pretty good at having a biological clock to kind of know where we're at like are we close to three hours that's why i'm very consistent getting a lot of episodes in that two hour 50 to 305 strike zone in this one i totally lost track of it though so we we talked i'm not going to say how long we talked but it was a very very long time so at some point i

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start asking questions is it are we rolling yeah so like what i'll like, I'd much rather just blast it all the way, lose my hearing now than just half-ass it all the way through, you feel me? Rather have my prime years blasted off and then deal with the consequences later. They'll have some crazy science, you know. Just like, yeah. They get a new year in like 30 years. Right?

I can't, dude. If that shit doesn't happen, there's a problem. Because there's so many things where I'm like yeah I'll be able to get a new one bro if they're if they're putting new eyes in people bro and they can see you're telling me my hearing can't get fixed that's what I'm saying come on bro like they already have the vibration and all that it's it's a rat that's what I'm saying dude we already got the red bull cracked open this is gonna be interesting let's get some honey poured out we in the move right now Nico's gonna be pissed but that's something like i have the

henny because of nico i might have been i might have been 14 years old in the basement i'm chilling with him andrew his brother and i see him bring down his bottle of hennessy that was our drink right so the other he was in here last week and we got in and i started to pour the drinks he goes bro what what are you pouring i have the doers over here right right and he's like what's that i'm like oh it's doers he's like where's the hennessy he got upset like he got upset i'm like this is a doers household right now when we make it we'll be a hennessy household right so when he walked in with hennessy and i was cracking unbelievable i'm glad i'm glad he's the one that got you into it. Of course, bro.

Since a young... What I saw was... Give me your glass. Thanks, bro. What I saw from him was, you know, Nico, he's always had that OG style to him. I've always admired him about that. And I'll just never forget, you know,

that nice glass, some ice cubes in it, some Henny on the rocks, chilling, some Jay-Z playing in the background. Super low low you know and that really inspired me you know i don't think i've ever told him like that but you know here you did now yeah i just did now so we had and that's what that's part of the reason i think we got along so well we had the same kind of like vibes of like doing it the old school way with stuff but there are some old school things even though we've learned the new school ways how you got to go

exactly some old school things they're not too bad it's like being an og man that was the you get you get a little henny out there pour out a good glass of something you wear a nice suit to a podcast like that right thank you brother it's all right it's all right hey cheers brother yes sir to the future to success brody what sir. To the future of success, Brody. What was that? To the future of success. To the future and success. I like that. Yes, sir. You know what I was thinking about, though, today?

Tell me. The last time I actually saw you. Because, like, we, I don't know if you relate to this, but because we're so connected now, we don't think about, like, the last time we saw someone physically. Like, you and I actually talk, right? Yeah. One of my my best friends i saw him the other day went to his house we talk every single day of our lives and probably 10 minutes after i got there he's like yo bro i haven't seen you since like december i was like oh fuck yeah right that's right because you kind of forget but i legit have not seen you since a fateful night in June 2014. Yes.

Yeah, that's from me? Yeah. Oh, my God. You see, I was never put on that. I wish I would. I was never put on to that information, you know? Yeah. You want to tell the story? I would love to, but.

I think we should go back and forth on it. But, yeah, to be fair, and by the way, for people listening, not watching, I held up my scar on my shoulder here. So, to be fair, I already had a slightly torn labrum that I'd had since I was a kid. But that night, whenever I tell this story, too, and people are like, yo, how'd you dislocate your shoulder for the first time? I'm like, I was saying hi to an old friend. You got to leave it out, right? And they're like, what does that mean?

I'm like, honestly, you had to be there. He was a big guy. You were fucking huge. I was wrestling at the time, too. Exactly. And you're like, yo, what's up, bro? We start hugging it out, and then boom, my foot goes out, then I go down. And when I hit the ground, my shoulder went down to my elbow. And your arm is, if anyone's ever dislocated their shoulder it's like it's not painful when it

happens it's fucking weird though right and my arm's out like this and i get up and i'm like fuck right i'll look at your right away you were like oh bro was that 2014 for sure because that was the first time i've ever witnessed like real like harm like dude i really you know you went to the hospital that night like i felt so young how old it was a total it was it was kind of hysterical right right it was it was pretty fucking funny but nico was not like he's like bro you're fine just go get some hennessy i'll put you on the couch you're fine and then i pull up my my shirt and the shoulder blade is like down there and nico's like oh my bro traumatizing

for me and it's funny because like you said we've been so connected on the internet that i didn't think about that till today yeah when i was like damn when did i last see him and then i'm like oh my god bro that's fucking nice yeah how old how old were you because you're like it wasn't it wasn't 24 it had to be a year before no it was 2014 was it yep 15 100 yeah yeah but to be fair the scar that was the second time it happened was that a first time or yeah yeah you were the first oh okay you're the one that popped the cherry right because i'm about to say bro that's something that's it yeah that's great don't take that the wrong way thank you either way pause that was a uh that was like one surgery and i did a year

and a half later and it worked great like phenomenal i got my life back i was dead lifting squatting boxing like a motherfucker and then i had a really bad accident june 2018 and i dislocated it again and that time they had to go in and do this and the doctor did that did an unbelievable job but that was like the second time was very depressing the first time i was like all right let's get after it then you do the whole thing you get this normal life that i had never had because i always had a torn labrum right so it was never normal and then once i got fixed i was like holy it's a new lease on life right and then you heard it again and you're like oh you know but hey we're all good now that's beautiful man so no complaints yes sir

but dude it's it's it's good to catch up like actually in person with people after a long time and i watch what you do i mean you've been in the music game for what like five years since i was 10 well yeah but like professionally in the game game yeah we'll say six five six years that's what i'm saying yeah either way 2015 around there it's a long time because you're what 24 25 no 23 you're 20 you're still 23 bro you're a baby jesus christ that's what they say dude that's what they say it's actually growing up i used to think that it was a good thing you know i'd get into places i could be in certain circles that other people couldn't just because of my appearance but now as i get older you know when people are trying to ask if my brother's my son,

you know, I'm out with my mother. They say, oh, is this your husband? You know, it starts to get a little weird after a while, you know, and it's just like, I kind of wish I was younger, man. You know, it's crazy to think about. You have like a really interesting look because in a way, you have a baby face which is a good thing but then you don't you have like a i've seen six wars and i've literally well i've been around it's because i have you know what i mean it's something it's something that i take pride in that you know

as a young kid like we just told this with nico that you know it's like i used to love breaking bread with the old heads you know what i mean mean? Because what I did growing up was, you know, I would learn from the evils that the game has in it, you know? I would learn the mistakes. I would learn all these things. Because somebody like me, I focus on the negatives. I focus on the faults. That's how I learned my lesson, you know? So what I do is breaking bread with the old heads.

Like, it just gave me my lesson, you know? So what I do is, breaking bread with the old heads, like, it just gave me that vibe, you know? I've seen things at a younger age. It gave me that mentality, that fearlessness, you know? That beast in me. And that's kind of what just took over my body, but my face remains the same, like you said. Yeah, with the goatee and everything and swag, but yeah. Right. And to be fair, though, like, the old heads you're talking about, you're talking about, I mean, you're Greek. Greeks.

I mean, I grew up in that with Nico. Like you guys all stick together. It's a beautiful thing. As you should. Yeah, exactly. And we don't put enough emphasis on that because it's not like this over tribal thing where fuck everyone else. It's just like, yeah, we remember our roots and what we're about it's like a beautiful thing that's how it's supposed to be you're supposed to conduct business conduct secrets and do things within your culture what do you mean conduct

secrets just your everyday conduction you know everything that you're doing every day all of the business all of you you know family values family rules you don't spread you don't spread the the the things that i i abide by i don't spread that with anybody you know like unless you're coming and joining you know the circle unless you want to know so that's i believe very strongly not always stick within your circle always stick to your culture and when you're talking about the old heads though you're talking about a lot of guys none of them were in the music business no none of them none of them none of you know but you're learning a lot of those values that you then take to this business which to be fair

The music business in addition to being a cutthroat fucking place is a very different kind of business You know, it's not like anything else and you could say that about a lot of things but especially music because there's also star power Right. I mean, you know, you've forgotten more in the last five minutes and I've known in my whole life And even I know that like, you know, there's some some wild shit But you seem to have taken like a lot of the things like maybe that like a Spiro Teaches you and whatever that you're like, oh I can relate that to working with this artist doing this That's the thing man that learning from you know from the Spears my father's a stop these you know What oh geez in the church the church has its own community itself. My dad's best friends are lawyers.

They're heart surgeons. You know what I mean? That's coming from the community, the culture. They're willing to give that to their own culture. And being a boss, bro, that can be applied to any industry. Being an OG, being a boss, elevating the people around you. Everybody's out to get it and not elevate the ones around them. Everybody wants their

own kingdom and everyone under them you know but something i learned from these old heads was everyone needs their own kingdom you know bring i'm gonna bring you up to say but i'm giving you your own kingdom you can take my game and fly off if you want you know do your own thing but that's one of the most important things i've learned from the old head so it doesn't matter what business you're in music or it doesn't matter you know i'm saying being a boss has no limits i like that definitely i think that's such a i don't know the word i'm looking for because i don't want to just boil it down to like greek or whatever but it's this kind of it's that true immigrant chasing the American dream value while maintaining those roots like we talked about.

Right. Because there's something to it. And again, I've seen it throughout my life. So I feel like I understand it very well. Like my dad was the lawyer there for a long time with all the Pats guys and everything. And he would always say it too. There's just this thing that it's i don't know i i can't do it justice with words but it's this understanding that like once you make what what you deem to be like hey i have a great life i have a great family

my priorities are in order i get to enjoy the fine things i also you know i don't feel like an asshole i'm just kind of living my life and and i'm and i'm happy once they have that there's an extent to which they want everyone else to go get that, right? And then they want you to use your words to be able to fly off and go out on your own and get the same thing and then be able to pass down that legacy. Right. And I agree with that 100% because there's nothing good and just... Okay, let me ask you something. You go on a vacation, right? You got $100,000 on you, right? You got five of your boys with you. Okay, let me ask you something. You go on a vacation, right? You got $100,000 on you, right? You got five of your boys with you.

Okay, cool. You're putting on everybody. You guys are out here. And then what happens? You all go home and they're in the same position, right? Imagine you go on a vacation now and everybody's got $100,000. Imagine you got five bosses with you, not five homies with you, you know? That's just something I'm always thinking about.

And that is the biggest thing in the Greek culture culture bro in my opinion it's just elevating everybody you know spiro like you said has done a great job with things like that where i've learned that when you take different the restaurant business right why would you buy product from somebody else when you could be the one distributing the product yourself and now your places are getting it for the low or for free you know and you're collecting a profit on top you know that's something also that i've applied like in music like why would i pay for a studio when i could build my own studio now my brother doesn't have to pay for studios i don't have to pay for studios but i get paid have to pay for studios, but I get paid on studios, right? Yeah.

Same thing with merchandise, just say, why would you buy from someone merchandise when you can create your own? And now by you creating your own, you're also selling other people's merchandise. You're collecting clients. Everything's free at the end of the day and everything's in your pocket. So the number one thing I've learned from the Greek community, because we're still talking, you know everything's free at the end of the day and everything's in your pocket you know so the number one thing i've learned from the greek community because we're still talking was ownership you need ownership there's a lot of directions to go with different things you said i want to start with the part about if you have five buddies on vacation you all have a hundred thousand versus just you having it right it's interesting because that takes away any aura of like wanting to be a control freak on stuff right because let's be honest there are a lot of people i worked in the money game i know what this

is there are a lot of people who love that feeling of people have to rely on them to survive it's like a power thing and it often ends up bad disgusting yes it's disgusting i agree it's look a lot of it's out of insecurities and a lot of it is out of just being completely lacking all self-awareness i think but when you're taught when you're using words like trying to be a boss and then why pay for other people's to get my own studio bringing it back to that i think it's important to have that foundation that you do of like hey i want everyone to win here because let's face facts here when you're talking about record labels especially today and i know like there's been a lot of years of doing a lot of other things that

built to this and we'll get to your actual label later and because i want to talk about that on its own but like the idea of like a label we're're in this quote-unquote decentralized world where people can go, you know, they can go, artists can put their own shit out and stuff. Direct the consumer. Yes, exactly. Now, there's still all kinds of barriers. There's still, when you're not putting money behind stuff, you know this. Always put your own money up, by the way. Actually, sidebar, what do you mean by that?

You're not a boss if you don't put up your own money. If you're hiding behind other people's money, you're just saying on yourself yeah yeah put up your own bread yeah that's it yeah and then i think to an extent there gets to a place once you've done that i agree with that like especially when you're starting out do that put yourself out there show your show that you're committed you have skin in the game right then once you get to a point there is kind of this barrier to entry there There's a reason that Taylor gets $50 to $80 million behind every single album she puts out versus the person who's making it indie and has been at it for five years putting their own money behind it and then only gets a little bit of money behind it from the outside. So money is important. But I think that if you're building it from the extent that the people you bring through there – and let's even keep it one-dimensional.

Let's say the artists you bring through there because eventually you want to have a lot of outside people. You want to be in A&R and scout talent. Find it. Bring it in. You're bringing them in to be a part of the family so that they can earn through that. They can be a part of this crest, this active records crest. Right. And then you're not going to be the guy that actually puts it out there like, oh, I fucking own you.

No. Because that's not what you want. Bro, I don't want employees, bro. I want partners. I like that. Everybody's a partner. Like I said, bro, I want you to build your own kingdom. Like, I want that.

You know what I mean? Like, I don't want. Why would you? Dude, you don't. There's no respect for someone that works for you. You have no respect. Like, bro, you might show respect, but deep down at the end of the day,

if you can't make somebody a partner, if you can't put someone in position, bro, you have no respect for them as a human being. You have respect for them as your employee because they make good work for you and they might put you on, but if you're not a partner with me, I just don't want you. If you're not trying to be a boss,

I don't want you. What's the point? You know what I mean? I think that you have that true entrepreneurial mindset. And I think it's on steroids. I think it's on HGH. I think it's swimming through your veins. And I've seen this a lot. And there's a lot of aspects of it because I have that mindset. And there's a lot of, it's different for different people, but there's a lot of our mindsets that do come together i have a lot of trouble when i see people especially people who secretly or on the low key or great at something and they don't show the world that i can't comprehend it i learned to just kind of like you know what i can't want it more for them so i go my own way

but i can't you know what i mean i can't get in their head about that it's not possible bro it's not possible to get in their head about that i believe yeah there's no way like the person that you just explained right now i believe there's three types of people in this world right the the one the person that knows and does the person that doesn't know and just doesn't do and the, which is the worst one is what you just explained is the person that knows, but doesn't do. That is the worst possible thing. That just means you're afraid. You're not fearless. You're not a boss. You're pussy at the end of the day. If they, so I, and I would separate that final group into two types. Okay. Cause I've seen this.

Okay. And it's where, and this is what I mean when I'm talking about your entrepreneurial mindset because i struggle with the same thing i have to pull myself back sometimes and say hey this person wants other things right the people you're talking about who are afraid to do it and it's look it's tough everyone has a different experience a different life and look at the end of the day you have to make your decisions you can't there's things to hang excuses on but eventually like if you want something and this is one of those two types if you actually do want it and you don't go get it for whatever reason that's on you and it's hard for me to comprehend that and i prove that through what i do here and what i gave up to do it right

the second type of those though and i've seen, are the people who are great at those things, but they're happy in their life. They're happy with another thing and they don't want it. I don't even get it. I don't even, bro. You have to re-say it, bro. That doesn't even process. I have no idea what you just said. I'll give you an example. I'll give you an example. I won't say his name. Very good friend of mine. One of the smartest people i've ever known one of the best people with no excuse me the best person with people i have ever seen in my life incredible and it always did the best i've ever seen with women like beyond what you could even comprehend like just incredible as as a guy all the way around he does well he's got he's got a great life he makes good money for himself and whatever he does not i always said like if you want to be steve jobs like the next steve jobs you can do it that's not what he wants and yet he makes a lot of money he provides right he's not doing something in public he's not doing something that's going to make him the boss or whatever

but like he's got he always has so much happiness to him and he hasn't had an easy life either he's not doing something that's gonna make him the boss or whatever but like he's got he always has so much happiness to him and he hasn't had an easy life either he's had he's had a lot of bad shit happen to him well i should make him go harder why is he not going harder it's not no no but that's the thing that's my point he's going hard not at maybe the things he's the best at he he goes very he works very hard but he works hard at something that makes him happy that's not like something that's as an extreme example if someone's an unbelievable singer, right? Like that's a one in a million type person or one in a hundred thousand type person if they're like Whitney or something like that. You know what I mean?

Whereas I'm not talking about that. He works hard at like something that other people maybe could do. More people could do than that. But he's happy. And he likes that life. And he enjoys it. And he's been doing it for a very long time. And I think he has a lot more perspective on the world.

So people like that, I get. The people that come in and say like, I want to do this thing. I want to be the best at this. Like I love – stay on music just as a simple example. I love fucking being a rapper and I think I'm fucking amazing at it. But then they don't put out their songs they don't go into the studio right they they go out on thursday fridays and saturdays and it's not business related they don't stop everything and and and like i'll i'll say this too and we've talked about on the podcast so i feel more

comfortable saying it but like you know i gave up everything to do this and hopefully I'm right, but I Thank you I I feel like this is what I'm meant to do and I can build something here It will take time and it will suck for a long time But I threw away a fuck ton of money right for our age Especially to go do this because I was like, okay I was doing something that other people could do number one and number two. I was doing something I didn't like.

And number three, I wanted this. Right. And so I went and got it, right? Those are the people that I do want to surround myself with. It just makes me very sad when people want that, but they don't do those things. Well, why does it make you sad? Because the world will never get to see what they're really about. It wasn't meant to see what they're about when you break it down.

You know what I'm saying? I completely understand that situation with your mans and this and that. But at the end of the day, is he making over $100 a year? Over $100? Yes. Oh, God. I was about to say. He's like, okay.

Yeah, but no, no, no. That's not, it's not yeah, okay. But it's yeah, okay for what I was just going to say. You know like okay yeah but no no that's not it's not yeah okay but it's yeah okay for what i was just going to say you know what i'm saying but what happens what everybody's got their ups and downs right everybody can be replaced what happens when you get replaced and you don't have that hunter and then you you gotta you gotta settle for something else because your bills are so high and then your mother your sister your father your brother they get it they come up with some crazy disease, knock on wood. They need help now.

They need treatments. They need medicine. What happens when you're trying to, when eventually you turn 40 in 10 years and you're like, damn, bro, I have four children right now. I don't got that hundred a year no more. What happens when those things happen? You know what I'm saying? So something I always focus on is, like, you can't, what if these things happen to me? You know?

Everyone's happy until something like that happens to you, you know? And I've heard that argument before, the, yeah, some people are just happy doing this, some people, blah, blah. But what happens when that happens? Everybody's fucked. You're not happy no more. You're sad. You know what I mean?

So I totally respect that but in my world in my like I can't even fathom that I can't even fathom I All good I don't want to get it. It's all good. I don't want to get upset right now You know, I get a little I get a little passionate about these things and it's like don't it just really hurts me You know because you even said like you have to take a step back and think about it right

So so why is your man's not taking a step back and thinking about it? But there's also another thing that you got to think about is not everyone has a vision, you know You have trying to fly you know what you want to do. I got I know what I want I have my record label of active records like i know what i want to do and because we have that soul vision you can now grow off of it like now like i said i can get on and put my mans on to my merchandise business you know and have them printing shirts like some of my boys do and they're out there pumping shit pause but you know and it's like i can do that when you're who who all right you got

that job for a hundred grand a year right can your son can you give your son a job tomorrow can you wake up and say son come on you're coming to work no you can't do that do do you own any stock in that company what happens when you go who you giving it to that what's what's your son got you know what i'm saying at a hundred grand a year, which I'm not, we're not talking about men specifically now. We're talking generally. At a hundred grand a year,

you're not, dude, unless you're the most financial savvy motherfucker, you're not getting a bunch of real estate and opening up your own shops and restaurants and whatever you want to do. You know, you're not doing that.

You're not, you're not going on illustrious vacay. Bro, could you, having a boss to on a lustrous vacay, bro. Could you having a boss to me is like having somebody call daddy. Can I take off the work for two weeks? Daddy, you know, daddy, uh, my stomach hurts today. Can I go home? I'm sick, daddy. You know what I'm saying? And that's cool. That's cool to me for the older generations, you know, cause they didn't come up like we came up. We have the Internet at our hands. We have phones that everything I do is off my phone, bro.

I don't have to leave my crib. Obviously, I do. But I don't have to when you break it down. You know, there's no such thing as asking. Hey, can I go on a vacation for two fucking weeks? Do these two weeks work out with you or do we have some shit going on? And that's the shit that bothers me it's like how could you you know and then and then what about your children you know and 20 years bro in 20 years if you are not running your own shit i can just imagine what's about to go down in 20 years, bro. How come every time, all right, I'm going a bit off topic, but how come every time I

walk into a school, it looks like a courthouse? Why does it look like a jail? You know, why is everybody sitting at desks? Why are we taught from a young age that night we go to school from, fuck bro, we wake up earlier for school than you wake up for a nine to five. Why am I waking up at six o'clock and going into school at seven and leaving at two, three, whatever time it is? Why are you programming us to do that shit from a young age? Why am I learning in school about fucking chemistry, bro? What is chemistry, bro? Who is, I don't even like who is, bro. What is geometry, dude? What if you, like, I don't know. Are we using geometry here?

Like, are we literally, like, are we reading Edgar Allen Poe's here and shit? I know none of, dude, no one I know has read a book in 10 years, bro. No one I know. Really? Except for probably me, dude. I read every day. You read all the time. Every day, every single day for two, three hours a day.

And don't you think that's pretty good, though? Of course, bro. That's why I know what I know. Yeah i'm breaking bread with the old heads reading and just being a fucking boss bro just being an og dude trying to install this shit into people's heads like like i said why are we taught from from age kindergarten that we have to sit in a place for eight hours desk style corporate style bro corporate style raising my hand to ask a question i get suspended if if i'm late are you kidding me bro i'm gonna get suspended if i'm late does that make sense not one time three four or five times whatever but bro you just at that

point just fire me from school kick me out so i can at least learn that yeah daddy fire me pause but it's like but look I'm not surprised at all. I talked to you. I know you're passionate. Bro, I'm mad, bro. Dude, you brought. I'm mad. You brought the heat.

I'm pissed. There's like, you just brought in the school thing. Right. I do not want to forget that. Because that's, we're going to get to that in a second. I would love to get whenever, bro. The thing before that, though, that you said. Where you were talking about, like, where you you were walking through i can't fathom the idea of not owning my shit therefore

when i go like what happens or you even said like can i give my son a job in this okay well it's not fucking mine or anything right this is maybe i i can't believe i never thought of this. I really the this is a eureka moment. Mm-hmm for me Which yeah, I would Nico taught me all about your recon the last episode some laughing about that But it's another eureka moment for me because I've been around Nico and then I've been around you guys and and all you goddamn Greeks for so long like since I was three or four years old and Everyone successful me and and the generation right above us like you know spiro's generation everything they all they all came here right my dad jumped off a boat exactly you know i'm saying and now he he owns a soccer team in greece and is the vice president and

that's the fuck am i gonna look up to now vice presidency bro and you know i'm saying that's the thing i never put this together but they know what it's like to not have anything they know what it's like to have like governments fail to be conquered it is passed down dictatorship yes dictatorship literally it is passed down generation to generation and they come here and they're recent many of them to come here right it's not like they you know plenty of greeks came here on ellis island and stuff but i'm saying like they're greeks is that's a community in europe that largely a lot of them have been immigrating here in the last like 30 40 years right they came here and they're like we can't do any of this shit in our home but we can come to america because in america anything's possible that dream is there

right and so they come here and they say yo i'm gonna'm going to be happy, but I'm going to get my moolah. I'm going to have my fucking family and I'm going to own what I do because you know what? In America, they can't take it from you. Right. And that mentality has been beaten into you. Right. And so I respect the fuck out of that. Am I right about that?

A hundred percent. You're right. Okay. A hundred percent. Let's get to the school point. So the school. Okay. Okay.

This is what I want to do. And if you have other thoughts, like, we'll get back to that. I just don't want to miss this because it's directly related to the point about owning what you have. Right. With school, you said we're programmed. Programmed. Why do you say this? Let's spell it out for everybody.

Honestly, I don't even know how to spell it. No, I'm playing. But the issue with that is from how old are you in kindergarten? Four, five? Something like that. From five years old up to what's college? 22, 23? Something like that.

From five to 22, we'll say you are programmed to sit at a desk for the exact nine to five hours that anybody else would sit at. You're programmed to raise your hand for shit. You're programmed to not be allowed to go to the bathroom. I went to a Catholic school. Could you imagine, you know, them coming and say, oh yeah, you got to sign this paper to go out. You have to ask too. Could you imagine that, bro? Could you like, could you imagine having a teacher tell you that you're not shit because you're not listening to her literature class you know what i'm saying could you imagine having to sit there behind a

fucking desk for eight hours a day and then and then going through high school going through college and say fuck i've been sitting at a desk for eight hours a day my whole life. How am I going to change this? Look, school programs is for two things. School says you either sit here for eight hours a day, learn about some bullshit, go to college, learn about more bullshit. It's not bullshit, but you know, you can learn. But then you either take that route or you take the route of an athlete. School literally teaches you, bro, you either go corporate and sit your ass out of desk for 50 fucking years, or you become an

athlete, which the margins are very, very thin. That is so rare to become a professional athlete. It is so rare and people don't even realize it. It is so rare. So they're teaching us two things, either become an athlete, spend all your time on the field all day, say fuck school. But by the time college comes, you might get in on an athlete thing, but if it doesn't, you're just fucked because you're dumb as shit. You've been just focused on football your whole life or basketball and now you're not making it. So now you're wasting more years going to prep leagues or going to other schools and then going to college one day when you're 22 and then you're fucked. You got no money. You're 26 years old in college run it back now

Then you got the kids that you'll sit at a desk all your life high school middle school I mean high school college you come out your shit. All right Another thing how come I can't go to a bank Okay And get a fat ass loan for my business that I have a business plan for, that I have a resume for. My credit, bro, I have a 760 credit score, literally 10 cards. I'm working on my 11th. It's like, I got credit lines. And you're telling me because my business is fairly new, registered in that, I can't get a business loan for 20 grand, 30 grand, 40. You view it all as tied together. Yes. but then you got a kid who can get a student

fucking loan for 150 000 over four years not have a single job and they expect them to pay it after four years but me a guy who has literally ran through hundreds of thousands of dollars can't get a loan from the bank you know just to match my bread up or anything bro i even went in there i have a good relationship with the business account lady and shit i went in there with 30 grand and said give me 30 i got 30 right here give me another 30 i need 60 in total and you know she said to me sorry we can't do that we need we need real collateral we need to have how the fuck you expect me to start a business bro literally so then i realized after that day is you gotta put your own bread up you gotta be a boss you gotta just put your own bread up and say fuck everybody because at the end of the day

look what they're programming us through school look what they're programming us through all this bullshit so now what because what happened bro i'm sorry what happens when this is what happens when a less fortunate individual whose family has tried putting them through college, you know, putting them through school, regained, blah, blah, immigrant, fat, whatever. They get hit with all these loons at the end. And now they're fighting all these years after to pay it off, bro, because their parents or anybody was too fucking stupid to realize, bro, this ain't the route. Bro, we got people. Bro, tell me something. Why are you spending the first two years of college learning general shit? Why don't they teach us real estate in high school? Why don't they give us debate teams? My school didn't

I went to a bro. My school was 12 grand a year or something. High school. We had no fucking debate team. You kidding me? No debate team, bro. Why are we taught to be politicians? Why aren't we taught to write laws? Why aren't we taught to be politicians? Why aren't we taught to write laws? Why aren't we taught to own businesses? Why aren't we taught to sit out of debt? They don't want you to do those things. They don't want you to do those things. That's why I'm pissed the fuck off all the time, bro. I'm always pissed because they took my own people, bro.

They took my own people all these years of my life preaching this shit, doing all this shit. And my own people are taken from the system. My own friends, bro. You know what I'm saying? So that's why i just have this passion in me it is fire to just eat them up dude to just build kingdoms give everybody a kingdom put everybody on because that is disgusting bro it is disgusting that they do that to me and nobody cares everybody's worried about covid or or some some always going

on in the world all this all this distraction bro all this media distraction bro if you're a consumer okay I fuck I'm not even gonna say what I think but if you just know that I don't fuck with you in a certain way you know with the way you're putting on everybody else the things that you're putting other people I had wait wait who consumer consumers yes consumers people that don't create something people that don't got an opinion people that just sit there and chatty patty the fuck out of themselves just spread gossip and negativity and bullshit people always in your business people just sit in there you know what i'm saying say oh look at this what can we come up with about this

shit like that that is programming that is programming i cannot remember a time in my life where i have seen something good and had something bad to say about it unless i just don't fuck with you unless you're just my enemy you know i'm saying so how do you have all these people bro like how can you look at what i do like certain things about what i do and certain things about what I say and not follow it. How can you not call me? Why don't, why do like, how could you just be watching something online? How could you, how could you take a song? Like, how could you take a day off? You're trying to build something massive in your fucking, you know, how are we taking days off here? Are people taking days off on the weekends and shit how are people doing recreational activities in their 20s how the fuck does that happen bro why are we it's just it's pure and

no one's spreading the game is what's pissing me off bro everybody wants their own kingdom everybody doesn't want people to know what they're doing why are we like being quiet about it quiet about it everybody why are you doing something massive for the world and not fucking talking about it and bringing on interns and bringing on a bunch of people and having a big business for yourself and shit? I think a lot of, I think there are plenty of people who do. It's just, yeah, not everyone does it. Bro, I'm talking about New Jersey, bro. I don't know New York. I don't know Delaware.

I'm talking about New Jersey. Where the fuck is, what's his name? Who's, Bruce Springsteen? Yeah. He's from Jersey, right? Yeah. Where the fuck's his music factory? Where's his music factory at's his music factory is he

with now i don't know he lives in jersey bro but he's always been signed to a label like he was doesn't matter he's he's the voice of america yeah he bon jovi you are the voice of america he's a businessman too he's a businessman yeah bro a businessman who's not sharing shit bro you're one of the biggest singers of all time in american history when people think of america what's that song he's got the fucking the american song bruce springsteen born in the usa sorry bruce springsteen born in the jersey guys whatever but both of them okay fine both of them where are their music factories where are their music schools where are their business development schools? Where are these things for their community, bro?

Why are people getting on and leaving? Why are you not building people around you? Why the fuck do I got to wake up every day and deal with losers in my area of where I live? Why do I have to look at bullshit every day? Why is no one trying to take that next step? Everybody's so consumed by this public opinion uh i don't want to do this because what's he gonna say for oh i don't want blah first off bro if you're worried about any opinion first off you get no pussy and you got nothing going on

in your life straight up dude straight up bro you got something going on bro another thing why why are you not just listening take advice the closest people i know not including my immediate family because they already know the vibes bro i learned this shit from them why are why are you getting upset when someone tries to put you on why are you not understanding the science behind this shit you know hold on hey hey cheers so far by the way this is uh thank you you're bringing the heat i like it bro this is every day for me bro and sure it might be good and i don't think i'm pissed all the time i'm only pissed because i'm trying to prove a point here you know what i'm saying but you know sometimes it gets hard bro and i've realized what they say by it's lonely at the top not i'm not at the top

but i understand that now i used to think it was when i was younger you know an insecure young bull more immature i used to think what they were saying was it's once you make it you got bread no one's fucking with you no one's there false false what i realized is once i broke that fucking matrix once i really got super deep in my shit i realized that nobody around me excluding my immediate family thinks like me yes not a single person so i could be chilling with jews yeah i go chill in my man's crib and there's two little girls not little girls college girls of course say oh yeah let's play ride the bus let's do this let's do that and i'm sitting there like god damn bro this shit really is lonely i'm in a crib full of people right now listen to some dumb shit this is lonely as fuck

bro i got nobody to talk to right now i'm dealing with little girls trying to play ride the bus pause what the fuck is ride the bus why are you 22 23 playing ride the bus come fuck with me let me open you an llc let me build your business credit seriously by the way fucking llc c court it's less tied limited liability let's run c anyway why like how could you what drives me crazy join is how could you not kill for this i'm willing to die for this i am willing to die bro when you say my cause when when you say that though yes i believe i don't mean literally no no no no no i i believe you in I don't mean literally. No, no, no, no, no. I believe you in the sense that like, it's not like I'm going to go jump off the bridge right now to prove I want to do this.

I know that. I don't need to take it completely literally, but I believe you in the sense that you look at it like, all right, I've done some great things so far, but now I'm doing my thing right now. I'm going to go build. I'm taking all the Rolodex I've built up and the money I've made to now roll it into actually making active records, active records. Everything's been my thing since the rip, by the way.

I've never taken a dollar from anybody. Yes. But I'm saying like, this is going to be the thing where it's not like you're doing all. All right. I'm going to go make this deal happen. I'm going to make that deal happen. And you kind of, it's like one-offs, right? You have made a great fucking early career when you were 18 years old doing one-offs

and being able to then get yourself to bigger and bigger people and make connections. Now you're talking about building a foundation where it's not one-offs. Right. You're coming in and you're doing the whole kit and caboodle here. And it's like, to you,

you don't want to be the guy who's like, okay, I'm going to be in here and just be the boss for the sake of being the boss rather you want to be a guy who's like i'm going to build something here because i don't understand why everyone else doesn't want to do this and bring people with them and let them fucking do it too it goes right back to what we were talking about at the very beginning so the thing that you said with the one-offs. So as a young boy, I wasn't thinking this is a one-off, this is a one-off. The whole time, my business and my brand is myself. So it might look like a one-off to you, but it's really not. It's really been building this foundation since 18 years old.

Yeah, let me restate that right too because i you know i fucked that up that's my bed it's all good when i'm saying like a one-off i'm saying there's a huge difference that you've now built your name to be able to get yourself to this position there's a huge difference between yo i just signed this artist to my label we're going to be partners now for the next 10 years versus yo i have learned that i like to fuck with these guys over here and they now like me too and we're doing some business back and forth whereas technically even though they're not going to do this they could be like yo i'm out of here exactly exactly bro especially in the point where i'm at i'm not looking to sign exactly an artist and just have him under me.

Yes. I'm not signing a single artist right now until I'm in the position to give them their own record label. That is the only time I'm signing an artist. I'm not signing no fuckboys, no young bulls. They got to be young, but I'm saying no young bulls, young bull minded. On top of that, if you're not just a g like if you're you don't even gotta come into me as an og dude you gotta just come up to me ready to learn you gotta come up to me correct you know if you want this and i see you're dying for this i'll give it to you because me growing up i had to go get everything bro i dude you know like you said you know greek people

right so you know also that no young bulls are sitting in on conversations with the old heads it just doesn't happen it's not you know what does happen though i'll give this some credit because i agree with you i didn't you know i shouldn't say i totally agree with you because i did see some of that in my immediate examples with nico and andrew but yes by and large, I understand what you're saying. Like a lot of the other guys I was around, yeah, I didn't see any of that. So I agree. However, there was also the aspect that like they're all trying to – I want to make sure I say this right.

They are all trying to go make their own name too, you know, and do it like in a new era the second generation or whatever you have found a way to morph taking those ideas and putting it into the generation you're doing i think there's a little bit of a wall there for a lot of them where they're like all right no we kind of got to draw the line and we'll figure it out ourselves i get that you i think i think you have a better perspective on it though 100 so what the So the thing with that, too, is I've realized that it's not about people that are my age. It's not about people that are older than me. It's about the next generation under you. What's going to happen when you hit that 40-year-old peak right there of, you know, when you're ready to take that next step into the next chapter of your life at 40 just say and and you're out of

the loop brother come on bro admit that there's nothing worse than like oh dude look at that old head look at that dude bro you don't know you know they're playing some dumb ass music they got some some like just dumb like oh you're just that old head you there's nothing worse than that but i know old heads that keep the young bulls with them Who let them generate their businesses for them come up with new ideas come up with the overall vision And these are the old heads that succeed The old heads that put the young bulls in position if you don't put a young bull in position And you're putting someone your age in position. It's a dub think about this, right? the technology

from from 1900 to 2000 right that hundred years of technological development happened within the years of 2000 2010 that hundred years that it took to find some shit we found in these 10 years less yes 90 years less than the original hunter no but it's even less yeah whatever but now it's definitely now it's definitely less so imagine by the time we're 40 years old new shit's gonna be coming out every day if you're not keeping up with the exact current shit you're a dub it's over you know i mean so that's the big thing i stress too is surround yourself with young people learn let them learn as you learn you know i say something i've been saying it a lot recently just with different things i've been involved with because we're trying to keep

the bar on where things are right right and i say this a lot and people my age and people like it pissed off but i will die on this hill when it comes to things in culture and use cases of things if you are above the age of 25 i do not give one fuck what you think right unless you are somebody who has demonstrated that you are thinking like the people below the age of 25 and you are getting in their heads and also understanding what's happening in which case i agree i want to listen to everything you have to say most people don't do that The presence of mind to be able to say, hey, culture is dictated by the youngest generation, literally, is critical. I mean, you look at the social media platforms, okay? And one that I got wrong earlier this year actually proved my overall point I've had for a couple years now.

And that is, let's start with, I won't even go to MySpace. Start with Facebook. College students were on Facebook first, right? couple years now and that is let's start with i won't even go to myspace start with facebook college students were on facebook first right no one knew about facebook they used it well though they were young enough right when did it blow up it blew up when all the 13 to 17 year olds got on there right okay instagram blew up when all the 13 to 17 year olds got on there even youtube back in the day it was all the kids first and then the adults were like yo video cool right they're gonna follow you look at tiktok i was on tiktok in early 2019 we talk about people who want it or don't want it but have a talent i called up every fucking person i know who's like in that age like 20 to 22 who

has a talent and i said stop everything you're doing and go to TikTok right now. Me, I was the corporate guy. I couldn't fucking do anything at the time. We solved that problem now. Right. But I called them all up and I said, get the fuck on TikTok. Stop everything else. They were all like, oh, it's for the kids.

I'm not doing it. Whatever. No, it's stupid. And I'm like, oh, you say that now. There's a fucking 12 year old on there lip syncing, getting 700,000 followers. Get the fuck on there and show the world what you got. Right. Right?

So every single thing is like that. And the one I was wrong about this year was Clubhouse because it blew up at first. And I was saying it on this podcast. I was with Giovanni Gustin on here. We were talking about it. I'm like, damn, you know, it's the first one to not have, like, it doesn't have kids on it. But, like, it's blowing up. Right.

That it failed. And it proved the point over and over. I'm like, I should have kids on it but like it's blowing up right that it failed and it proved the point over and over i'm like i should have i should have played the long game there and known that and then now i can see all the problems that i had but you know we look at this if attention is driven by social media more than anything first which it is and it's being driven by the young people why don't you think everything else is the last two presidents and then i'll even include biden you know i know he's older and everything but he's got the right team around him trump obama obama was the first one who really leveraged social media to run his campaign and then and then win trump who's like this old school guy leverage fucking social media to win if the oval office

is leveraging social media and they're going to where the young people are don't you think everything else is going to be where the young people are right let me let me tell you something about clubhouse actually now that i'm thinking about it how could something like clubhouse work when 99 of our population are fucking chatty patties tell me that what og is gonna come up in a room, right? With, what did I see the other day? I seen like a trippy red. Like a trippy red was in a chat. Who the fuck, bro? What do you want to learn from a trippy red besides entertainment, right?

So how could something like that where- Wait, what do you mean by that? Mean by what? Like, what am I going to learn? Like, am I a chatty patty in that case? No, no. I'm saying clubhouse was just filled with chatty patty he's just talking about nothing but bullshit i agree starting fights

start bro if you're not gonna sit there like this is just another example if you're not gonna sit there like every time i'm on clubhouse it's always a room where people are talking about one clubhouse was huge because people were getting in it early, getting a bunch of followers on it early, and then claiming their hot shit, and then charging a bunch of people for shit, setting up rooms to listen to music. When, bro, you're not shit, and you're having people pay you for something.

It was filled with a bunch of clout chasers. It was filled with a bunch of chatty patties. And just filled with a bunch of, like, just regular-ass shit bro it was a lot of people i started to notice this in late february is when it started to click for me i'm like because when we were first on it we were all curating our own rooms more than anything right right and they were solid it was like people i knew and then people that they knew who they connected me with and we were having nice like 15 to 20 person talks. Then I started going in these rooms that had 100 people in them.

Talking about whatever the fuck. I was always worried about the fucking clout chasing. What's the other term? I always say this. Why the fuck am I forgetting it? The grifter ship. I don't know what that means. You got to break that down.

Like a grifter. Somebody like a used car salesman. they got nothing to offer nothing but you go to their profile and it's fucking 7 000 characters long yeah like all this shit they do and there were so many people on there like you can almost hear it from their tone like the people who by the way like how many times on that app would people say including myself say like yo i think that's spot on man like everyone would agree on right and then when they disagreed they didn't know how to disagree and they just fucking fight but these people would get on there and you could almost tell by their cadence because they sound like a fucking program that are fucking dorks bro yes you got a bunch of dorks a bunch of losers trying to act cool on a platform that hides their face that hides their

everything you can see me i forget where they're at you can see me you hear what i'm saying you hear passion you got a bunch of nerds on there bro and i'm not letting no nerd tell me what's cool bro you got a bunch of people trying to act cool on that shit that's why that broke i think you give them too much credit i think there were a lot of people who were trying to be nerds on there that were even trying to be jesus bro i've seen everything on that app bro there's some like eric weinstein was on that app who's great total eric weinstein who's that he he's he's a physicist so you know peter teal he's not related to the the hollywood film dudes

no no no no no no no i'll say you chilling with them bro no no no but he and his brother i've been fans of them for a long time. They're both brilliant guys, right? Eric Weinstein's a very nerdy guy. He's Peter Thiel's number one guy. I like Peter Thiel a lot. Peter Thiel's a G, right? A lot of research on him, yeah. And so Weinstein, he found a great place on Clubhouse because he takes no shit. He says what he thinks, and it just kind of comes off how it comes off.

Too many people on the app weren't doing that. He was so genuine the entire time. There were a lot of people just like, yo, I have a chance to fucking fill a silent void right now. I have a bunch of people have been locked inside. I'm going to fill the void. And you know what? They're going to listen to what I have to say. Yes.

Now, tell me another thing. Now, when you take a population of just say, let's talk just like a million people, right when you take a million people And you're part of that million and you're around like the halfway you're ranked like 500 000 out of the million, right? And a hundred thousand people break off and start another app and you're one of them hundred thousand and out of those hundred thousand They might have been the bottom hundred thousand of that million start this app And now you feel like you're in the top of that 100,000? You nailed it. Yeah, bro.

Like, literally, bro, I was going in rooms, right? I was just curious about this shit. Yeah. I would go into a room, look through the people, click on a couple people. Music-wise right now, I'm an A&R here. I'm a human resource right now. My A&R here. I'm a human, human resources. What the fuck? You only, bro.

Human resources here. Public relations here. Right? So then I remember seeing one. It was a public relations, John. It was a girl. So I click on her. I'm looking at her.

I click her Instagram. Dub. Click her Twitter that she's got a link to it. Dub. I type her in on google dub i go back to clubhouse now right and i join the chat this time like because bro i just get like dude you know someone is trying to change the world is always the bad guy bro that's like that's a fact you feel me so i think so yes yes wait a second fuck clubhouse. Tell me why tell me your argument on this so I can just give you mine

So no, I don't even know it Bro, I want to see you highlight yours. I'm gonna highlight it right now And if I'm okay, if you if you if you robbed me just say and I punch you in your fucking mitt, right? Yeah, who's the bad guy here to the to the mass audience? The guy punching you in your mitt because everybody's seeing me knock you out now. You got shit. You're all fucked up, right?

I'm the bad guy, right? So me trying to change... They hate on the big guy. I mean, dude, like I'm trying... Like if I'm trying... The only people I'm going to correct in my eyes are the bad guys. You feel me? I'm trying to like, so if

I'm doing something to a bad guy who I believe is doing something wrong to my culture, to my people, to my community, but everyone else, the consumer who doesn't even know what size shoe they are, is just like, ah, look at this guy. You know what what i'm saying but if i call him out i'm the bad guy when i'm just trying to fix shit you know what i mean yeah so that's where the whole bad guy things come in you know i mean and it's one of them yo i i don't disagree with you by the way yeah you were so strong on it like always always i might disagree with that i think some i think it depends on the context but i sadly i very much agree with you because i even see it with guys who seem to show their intentions and and like don't take

themselves too seriously and the example we always talk about on here because it just blows my mind is like elon musk i was just about to say that people hate on elon musk bro no they do the ogs hate on elon musk the real powerful people hate on Elon Musk. You know what I'm saying? I mean, yeah. And the world loves him. The world, the consumer likes him, bro. Don't even tell me the consumer doesn't like him.

Not everyone. Why? Dude, because he's rich. Because he's, bro, nah, bro. Dude, they tried to kick. I don't even hear that, bro. I can't even hear that. I know, I know.

They tried, dude, did you see this? No. They tried to cancel him off of Saturday Night Live before he did it. But canceling, that's another. Dumbest thing ever. Let's talk about cancel culture. Let's talk about cancel culture. First off, I want to get back to Elon and shit.

This is like a cocaine episode. I love it. Thank you, but go ahead. Cancel culture. Thank you. You're a fucking turd if you believe in cancel. Bro, what is cancel culture? Can you give me a definition?

I literally don't. I don't even. That stuff doesn't even. I don't even hear that. Like, you know what I mean? The definition of cancel culture is it is a direct way to lose brain cells. Wait, wait. Now you got me fucked up. What?

Dude, the entire cancellation thing goes against everything I believe in, which is trying to understand why another person has a point of view regardless of whether or not you completely disagree with them the whole point of free speech which is a great thing that is invented is to be able to let good ideas win so when someone good ideas positive ideas when someone has a bad fucking idea you need to trust that even if you have some lulls in the valley where some people buy it for a while eventually things will come back. And I believe that everyone should have their say, including the people who I may hate. Right? I'll fight for their right to say it because I'll fucking body bag them in the public square when they say it.

Right. And I don't mind doing it. That's how we should all feel. So we cancel culture. It is an insult to my intelligence that people want to get rid of people before they even have a chance to argue back because they're basically proving that hey even if i disagree with you and even if i'm right about it i don't want to argue with you because i'm afraid i'm going to lose if you're afraid you're going to lose you probably suck or you don't have a good argument right now to add on

top of that who is like who's making this decision to cancel bro i literally don't know about this stuff but i've heard it and it but like i don't even like you realize like dude cancel culture right that's a headline bro i literally can't even my brain like the way i've been programmed my brain doesn't even understand that shit you ever hear a song in a different language and you have no idea what it's saying yeah that's that that's a lot of the shit that i literally it doesn't like my brain can't even do the math to add it up hey who is who is declaring the cancel who is declaring it the internet the internet right if dude a true g a boss bro someone does shit, does not give a fuck, bro. How can you sit there and say internet with a straight face to me, bro?

How can you say social media? You didn't. You laughed. Literally. That's what I'm saying, dude. I don't understand how a G, bro, a grown G, bro, can sit there and say social media with a straight face, bro. With a straight face, bro.

Cancel culture. This shit. What is that? what are you canceling who are you even bro you're sitting there behind your phone and your laptop all day like looking at shit like laughing and stuff and you're gonna tell me that you and your little group of guys is gonna cancel someone it is the it's the mob the that's the thing even though you're right about those people and actually physically you're right about those people that's that's where they are literally that literally we're right here literally they are literally typing away right but when you

give them instantaneous access to each other and a bunch of people who are pissed off at the world at the same time doing the same thing typing behind their... But pissed off at the wrong shit. I agree. Well, usually, right? Because sometimes, plenty of times, I'll see an example where like... Let's use a bullshit one. Let's say someone wants to come out and cancel the white nationalists. I don't disagree with that.

Right. The problem is people don't draw the line there and then they go to cancel someone who's nothing like that. Like they'll go to cancel someone who's like a liberal because they don't like one thing they say. That's my issue. White nationalists have the dumbest arguments of all time. Like that's another thing. I literally did that. Let them state their argument and then watch them get body bagged.

You're already doing it. And again, I don't want to leave the example there because that's like an extreme example. I'm talking about when people just have like a different opinion on something that is not the accepted thing. It's crazy. Like I use the Weinstein brothers. I don't know if it's Steen or Stein, but they're great. I just say Steen. I don't like hearing that one.

Or Weinstein. I'd rather hear Weinstein than Steen. Gio has spoken. It's going to be Steen. like hearing that. I use, I use. Or Weinstein. I'd rather hear Weinstein than Steen. Eric Gio has spoken. It's going to be Steen. He likes that. Right. But like, you know, when they say something, like I love Brett, for example, who's, who is like your prototypical old school, like in a new school way, liberal, traditional

liberal thinking professor, like in, in every great way imaginable when they try to say you're not allowed to speak anymore and they and jewish guy by the way they call them like they they call them a white national right it's like are you dumb yes you are you're all dumb but because a bunch of dumb people get together apparently Apparently, we got to listen to them. You say, though, like a boss doesn't let that happen. Not doesn't let that happen. Literally doesn't even see or hear it. Yes. You don't even let.

Why are you even in a position to let something like that? Like, dude, you shouldn't even be in a position to let that happen to you. So what is that? I always give two examples of guys who completely they've tried to cancel them a million times like different groups trying to cancel them for shit and it never works different reasons tom brady and joe rogan the one thing that ties the two together is they just don't acknowledge it and they're on their shit and they they go oh is somebody talking oh were you talking okay i thought i heard somebody talking and they continue

what they do right they own it and no one can go in real bosses don't let that affect them and so i i see that and i'm like oh that might be the way to go and i don't want to encourage people who are like scumbags to then be able to have a system to get around they're gonna be wrong but like you you have to let everything go and then just fucking beat down the things that are stupid right i don't think that's an extreme idea so the things that are stupid though should not even exist like i said that's why i'm a mad old head i feel like a like a 60 year old angry dude sometimes like because it's like let it die off let it die off one if it gets there but before it gets there do not let anyone around you be one of them people the only way you become canceled if is if the people around you are fucking stupid bro

like how bro i got i got i got my my set of three four ogs bro that i tap in with for every single call i'm about to make bro if i'm about to make a call for something a play and i don't get the approval of my committee it's an l bro it's a dub i'm forgetting about it you know what i'm saying i don't let these things even happen how could you like bro i started to realize too they started telling about this cancel culture shit that he started telling me about it yeah even like me who i'll never get to which like to in depth on a certain like that but bro like people like me who just give their shit out loud that's i'm i could be one of them canceled dudes that gets like you know what i'm saying just because i care it's like people are

canceling people that care bro like i get if you rape the girl you into some weird shit you know bro that's just weird bro like i'll beat you up bro you're a punk bro but that like bro everyone makes mistakes right but again people put people in their place for that like look look at the hate oj simpson gets online right right let him talk because he's just got people they know well somebody like oj simpson now you're a fucking danger fuck you bro but yeah that's the point like cancel him bro but that's the thing he didn't have to be because people and people are people get it they're not like inherently even though a lot of us can be stupid about shit myself included there are certain things in life that like when it crosses that actual line like not a bad idea like oh oh you oh you killed somebody right pretty simple

pretty simple that people aren't gonna take them seriously you're not gonna see them getting interviewed on fucking you know oprah right well maybe if she did well that's a bad example yeah he's not gonna be a pop culture icon in that way even if he's and i'm making fun of him on my shirt you know what i mean so like there's a level of like common sense is left to building with it but i i love that you're this guy who's so connected with understanding what people want but when it comes to just bullshit you have no time for it and you're like what is that i have to call it out bro i have to like i feel obligated to like there's no how could you not feel obligated to remove these pests these liabilities from the community you know i'm gonna break down something talking about something like that you know really getting on their shit

about like i want to say like two weeks ago, somewhere around there, right? I had this major argument with somebody. We were talking about this, like how, if you have a team of people with you, right? You want to build up the exact mentality that you have in these people. It's not about, dude, you can't force it on nobody right so we were talking about this whole like he was this guy i was talking to was telling me about the consumer mindset that you have to think like the consumer sometimes and this and that right but in 2021 i complete dude i x that 2019 respect because look like look what you just brought up to me bro you brought up cancel culture you know i'm saying why is our society controlled by something like why do i go on twitter and i see in trending hashtag cancel culture why are people even talking about that so i think there's

i think there's two sides to the coin uh-huh i agree with you on that type of mentality. So when I'm talking about thinking like the consumer, I want to keep it to like and not as. Don't think as the consumer. Think like them. And when I say like, I mean the things that are outside of where you can have a total opinion that affects your ability to live. I may lose myself here. i know what i'm trying to say i don't know if i can put it in words right but i'm gonna try you want to think like the consumer in the sense that there are certain patterns that are going to lead to buying decisions right that's everyone needs a buying decision right you don't need to then put yourself

because i know that thought offends you into the worst of the worst type of consumer who's like into canceling everyone and being an asshole behind a keyboard. That person, even though they may be like that, they still have things in common with the person who's not doing that, who's a consumer as well. Right. In that they may both like this type of music, to use your industry for example. And what about them likes that? well right in that they may both like this type of music to use your industry for example and what about them likes that like what was the line from it was like attacking not attacking it was it was like it was kind of like making fun of right-wingers but it was funny it was michael jordan he was like republicans buy sneakers too that was it i can't believe i forgot okay right that's such a great

example because michael jordan i i mean he's never been like loud about politics. But I assume he's like more of a Democrat type and people were asking him to like get involved in some political races or whatever. And he's like that doesn't involve my – that's not the part of the consumer I need to think about because my consumers like shoes. And guess what? Somebody – I guess that was like back in the 90s. So someone who votes for Clinton or somebody who votes for Bush, they may both buy Jordans. So that's not my lane. Right.

Exactly. I think there is, and I'm not like, I know some people want some people to get involved in things like that. That's not what I mean by that example. I mean, if you're talking strictly about buying and selling, there is a way to do that where you think like and not as. Well, can I tell you something too that I've learned bro what the fuck you want to tell me this is something that that again i've learned through breaking bread with the ogs is and especially in my terms by the way thank you thank you the ogs what's that one dub it's a dub yeah it's just a dub it's because it's not a win right i'm used to saying dub like yo we won that

one but you're saying dub like that's cap not like you're a dub you're a fuck you know either way something i've learned is that especially through my own we'll say career of selling selling we'll call it uh if your work is good they're gonna come to you to you. Yes. You're cut. Like, just from what I know is that, bro, if you have the good product, bro, I don't care. I'm not saying, yeah, buddy, come here and let me sell this to now, bro. I fuck you. Okay. If you want it, come get it.

My product is the best. So you're going to come get it. I'm not making friends with you to come buy my shit. I'm not. I'm not making a business arrangement with you to come buy my shit. I got the best shit. You feel me? What was the what was the line american gangster that's blue magic sure it's like coca-cola you see that's another you don't get no pepsi you get the coca-cola bro i'm gonna break something down to you about that i never prayed to god i prayed to goddy that's how

i'm gonna break it down a nice jc quote for you you feel me yeah i know that one i watch american gangster and i dude i studied that shit i'll take notes during these movies people rather put on adam sandler and i'd rather throw on some american gangster and really take notes on what being a boss is what being an og is because although he was in the wrong industry yes i don't i don't agree with that by any means agree with drugs i've been in you know whatever but i don't agree with that so what what i'm saying is that if your work is good bro the fiends are lining up on your doorstep and they're coming to buy that shit bro it don't matter what the fuck they think like it doesn't matter if they like red blue green it doesn't matter if they're they're happy when the sun's

down and sad when the clouds are out it doesn doesn't matter. If your work is good, they're coming for you. That's it. Do you think, I think about this a lot, but I think a lot of drug dealers, and we've actually seen it in pop culture where guys leave that game and do great things. I think one of the saddest things is that a lot of quote unquote kingpin drug dealers move aside all the bullshit that comes with that and the person they have to become and you know the life and death things they do they put their talent you just said a second ago they put their talents the wrong thing because i think that if they went into a legitimate business they'd be a fucking king in many cases bro i always say i'm gonna show you my log one day you know what other trapper you know kept the log bro you know what i'm saying yeah i'll show you my log bro i was

a king of this shit at 17 years old bro because i'm good at business were you uh nah nothing no no but i was gonna say i think we got mutual friend then maybe uh it fuck it i don't even want to talk about that shit yeah but i'm good at business i know to sell. I know that if you have the best work, they're going to come get it, bro. Why do I care what you do? Like, that's another thing, bro. Like, everyone's trying to, like, cater to a consumer. What are you catering to someone for? Jesus wasn't catering to nobody, bro.

No one caters to the consumer. You're going to come by this if it's good. I don't care what you say. If my clothes have the best product, you're coming to buy my shit. Was that the business partner, by the way? No, but that's interesting. Not even close. Bro, that dude ain't...

Bro. Okay. Come on, bro. What? Just making sure. My business partners were fucking... I don't even want to... Nah.

But what are we going on against right back there with the if your work is good oh yeah they're coming fuck your consumer bro that's what i've learned growing up you know i've seen people betting throwing their whole life away on sports right yeah literally 10 grand down a drain we were just supposed to go on a vacation and now you're not on vacation with me because and you're not calling me back you know i've seen people so what did i do bro what did i do do you know how many people do that bro how many people bro so what did i do tell me bro you didn't do that no i opened up a fucking sports book bro and give them all to me bro that's what i did bro i'll show you and and what did i do on top i kept logs i kept inventory I kept revenue gross net all that shit

You are you are a I don't know if they haven't they definitely have an official term for this I shouldn't say that there's definitely a smart person with a term out there for this that I just don't know but you are a Savage entrepreneur. I'm fucking fearless, bro, but you are like you don't You use the words like I will die for this earlier and we talked about not saying that literally but like in a sense your soul would die if you didn't oh my god it would it would done i can't even i don't even know what direction it will fly that's what i'm saying you know what i'm saying and so there there is and and this is interesting because there is a lack of empathy in you for people who don't see it that way.

No fucking empathy. And we talked about this earlier. I have, from my end, more of that where I can see someone is happy not being this way or that way. Maybe with a few more years, you may get to that. But the drive you have, that thing in your eyes when you're talking, which if people are watching this on camera, hopefully they can see it like I do. But that thing is the thing. It's like no one tells, and he's older now and has been through a lot of wars and so he's not as good. But when he was fucking great, no one tells Conor McGregor how the fuck to talk or what to do.

Back in the day, before he lost, you know, at the very end, his body. No one told Muhammad Ali what to do back in the day before he lost you know at the very end his body no one told muhammad ali ali what to do you know he was cassius clay before muhammad ali because he told everyone like no no i'm really gonna how about your favorite artist tupac no one told that man over there that people can't see on camera right what to do you know what's crazy fucking died at 25 i think imagine that bro i think about that a lot. Imagine that, bro. I think about that a lot. Imagine that. And imagine this shit. Dude, he's lived for a while.

That is what I'm... Bro, that's what I'm saying. No one told these people what to do. You know what it is? Bro, he was 25 years old and has lived forever. Yes. And that's the thing. Like, there are certain...

Did you piss me off? Like, oh my God, bring it over here. You gotta tell me about that. Because I don't see the empty glass over there and I'm looking at'm looking at you yeah yeah tell me when you need the refills gotcha but there's there's just like it's in absolutely everything it could be in music it could be in sports it could be in business it could be in it could be in fucking owning a landscaping business i don't care what it is there is this thing that happens that you can't put your finger on it you can't say like oh it's that thing he does with this word or that phrase or how he says this thing it's just this

entire vibe that when you're sitting across from it and i've been lucky enough to sit across from that a lot with a lot of people who do a lot of different shit you just know you're like yo yeah this person's got it this person's fucking got it right and so when i look at you as an entrepreneur i'm not even talking about music right now right and i know like music is drone that's what you do like that's what you breathe and shout we get our message out let's go a step above that as a guy who within the music business just happens to be that thing because you're passionate about that topic as a guy who wants to fucking build something there is this fire that's like there is no other option

no no no no i'm not going to go do that there is no plan b there is no plan b there is a plan a and it's not even a fucking plan this is just this is the road i'm walking i'm running down life right right and i completely agree with you bro because when you when you start to break it down and when you start to have plan b's and plan c's when you collect that check that steady check and you get it the next week and you get it the next week and now you go shopping because you know you're about to get the check next week and you have no vision and you keep doing that eventually you get sucked in and eventually you never make it out. So that's something that I've always put my mind to is you just can't get stuck on one thing.

You know, bro. Dude, you're a very rare case of what? Because I just heard you said you had a corporate job. You got out of it to chase your dream. Right. worst fucking people actually thank god you left you know you know what you know what's funny about that though what i worked for a guy who for his entire career built from nothing and got to where he got and was able to do it for a lot of years before there was a ton of regulation he was at the right time by saying fuck you i'm doing it my way right and so he was able to do that and i recognized that oh i'm in the wrong generation with the bank because he can't do that at a bank anymore right

you know and it went fully corporate yeah because look what did you just talk to me about right before this bro fucking cancel culture bro yeah you can't say fuck you no more you know i already expect to be the best i grew up being a bad guy i guess right bro right i only understand this because like i just said i grew up being this bad guy bro you know but i knew bro assets i always knew you as a sweet as a sweet kid bro because i love you bro you're a good your family to me bro you know you nico andrew family you're now my family bro yes sir there's something with me is if i give you some work and i front you you're giving it right back to me bro that's it and then take your shit run off build your own kingdom no harm bro but if you're a little chatty patty if you're in on some bullshit if you're bro i'm letting you

rip bro i'm ripping it bro pause but now you feel me so the way i break it down is bro i keep talking like this with them by the way with who like that guy let's use that example of course i tell him this is me this is who i am bro i can't get it out of me, bro. It hurts. Sometimes it hurts. Because, bro, you have to tell the average person something nine times for them to understand that. You realize that? You know how fucking stupid you have to be to have to hear something nine times? We got off this earlier.

I want to go back to it because you're just going right into it right now. Right. You're talking about the school programming. And I had you define it literally twice, I think, that like i could understand exactly where you're going with but when you went on this unbelievable monologue with that onto other things so i just let it keep going right but you made a great circle of life example in there where you talked about this whole 5 to 22 thing or program go to class kneel stand do whatever you know exactly and then you related it back to the real world and corporate culture and how banks i think you were talking about like getting a loan from a bank give a kid 150k well according to my excel spreadsheet here you don't

have the proper score for me to get you thirty thousand dollars i may be able to do 27 fuck you right fuck you pay me right there's not that thing where people don't have the ability to rebel and i'll say this as a sidebar very quickly a lot of this has to do with our over litigious overly litigious culture no one wants to be the first to get sued that's the thing right and they're and they're all they're all afraid of that but but your point this is the bigger point that's more important. That mentality that they program us with. Because I agree. I've been thinking about school a lot recently.

When I started this. You went through. You went to Bucknell, right? You did the whole. I did. I did. And you know what? You know what's funny?

I think I just fell into the right places, but I loved my college education. Right. Loved it. That's why for a while I couldn't understand when into the right places, but I loved my college education. Right. Loved it. That's why for a while I couldn't understand when other people were like, yo, fuck that. Even people I went to school with, like at the same school, they were just in a different major or something else. They're like, bro, I got nothing from that. It's like if you don't find the exact thing that's for you, you're fucked. And I happened to find the right fucking major, the right fucking professors. I nailed it. And so I was blind to the fact that other people were like, I don't know what the fuck I'm going to do with philosophy 205.

Right. That's just one thing and I looked at the system They put people in over and over and over again how they make them pay all this shit And then I start after I did those episodes. I started thinking about it like you I started thinking about you know Middle school high school did the fucking elementary school? You know you walk into class you raise your hand you fucking have the subject matter from 1010 to fucking 1047 and then you do this other subject from there, and I was like wait Isn't this kind of how we were doing it in like 1954 and it was cool then it's it's cool yeah and for that generation i'm not hating on it things change i'll leave it there yes that's my point it's like that worked but

are we using the same telephones we used back then right no we're not we're not on a landline by the cord sticking out and fucking rolling the dial. We're using iPhones to have the internet and music and fucking everything on there. So why are schools, I don't care if they say, well, we've changed this. We have whiteboards. We have this type of subject. Fuck that. Why are schools doing all the same main attitude things? And then why is it carrying over into the corporate world?

And I've seen this up close. And you have, but not from being in it. And more power to you for that. Thank you. More power to you for that. i've seen this up close and and you have but not from being in it and more power to you for that thank you more power to you for that i've seen it being in it when when you ask a question to people and i rub some people the wrong i was always great to people always treat them like gold but if they answered a question with an answer that made no fucking sense i would give them three to four chances to change the answer right and if at the end of those three to four chances they did not change the answer I destroyed them as I said you have no fucking evidence for

what you're talking about this rule you're saying like my whole thing with rules is someone tells me don't kill somebody mm-hmm makes sense makes right like like someone tries to attack me with a gun like okay I can kill them that's different right someone says don't kill somebody makes sense right like like someone tries to attack me with a gun like okay i can kill them that's different right someone says don't kill somebody makes sense don't rob somebody makes sense good rule great evidence someone says rule x and it has no evidence and it makes no sense i live my i now want to break that rule with every fucking thing in me when you're working in a corporation especially a bank they live to not do that so you'd ask these people these questions like wait why can't we you talk about loans i love them why can't we give that loan to this business that's doing 10 million dollars a year oh oh because they're in they're

in year they're in year three we can't get them that loan fuck you dude give me the fucking paper and let's go speaking on that too you know what the fucking banker told me bro the bank likes businesses That are super solid they like landscaping she said to me I Said so you're telling me So I tell her I said so so why don't I just open a fucking LLC in landscaping And you know she she tells me? No, no, no. No, no.

You weren't supposed to say that. So what the fuck you want me to do, bro? You know what I'm saying? Like, what am I doing here? Also, another thing. Talk about banks. You said you were into banks and shit. Bro, I ran a major loan sharking business

growing up and shit, especially when it came into the sports book. I don't care because this is all past shit. I don't do none of this no more. I'm in a credit. I'm in a business. I'm in a longevity. I'm in a generational wealth.

Yes, generational wealth. I'm in a family. I'm in a just real business, bro. So I'm not into that shit no more. But what you should be, bro, speaking speaking of real business how come a bank right pause for a second how come a bank bro can give me 20 grand just say right bad personal loan we're not talking bro i don't fuck with that personal loan shit that's for the birds i'm talking about business loan but now on a personal loan aspect how come a bank will give you 20 grand

charge you 100 interest on it bro 100 interest 100 what fucking bank were you all right we'll go to credit karma bro for you i'll show you something pre-approved loons because one thing in the credit business is you don't want hard inquiries credits going away you okay that's something let's keep that because i'm about to i'm coming in on that for you it's gonna go to go away. Let me find Credit Karma real quick. Hold up. Right? Let me show you something.

If you look on... Where's it at right here, bro? It tells me. I forget where it is. While you're finding this, keep finding this, I just want to say this. Uh-huh. If people ever accuse you of not being fucking real, show me those people. Something's wrong in their head bro you are you the same people that say that whether whether

people will love it or hate it or anything in between you say exactly what you're thinking thank you i love that i love that i don't agree with all of it but like i love that like i when i sit across from someone that's like yo no bars no fucking bars here. I'm going to spit. Like, that's a dream sitting in my position. Right. Well, tell me something, Joel. Who, like, who are you worried about? Who am I worried about?

Like, why would you not say everything? I'm not speaking you. Oh, all right. I told you. I get a little people taking. I'm not talking about you. I'm speaking. Well, you said you.

But yes, I know. Bro, you're sitting at a table. Bro, I don't sit at tables in front of people with people out bro if if i didn't fuck bro you're hearing it i know i already know what you're up to i'm sitting here trust me it's not about you that's all i know you were you were there and i'll give you credit too you were a fucking day one or on this and i appreciate that yes sir bro thank you always bro that's not bro if you if you love something bro if you really like something don't you not show fucking support bro that's another thing with the consumer bro let me let me break something down on this too if if you're this episode is wild thank you bro i told you

bro i'm only coming correct dude i knew it i knew like when when when uh when my boy was like yo can we do the 18th i'm like you mean i could do g on the 4th right bro and my bro 18th 4th 27th it doesn't fucking matter to me bro this is they're all days this is every day and i would love to come back here and show you what the fuck i've been talking about and how it worked out you know what i'm saying to do i love that update shit you know because when i see something something i really learned in my life i forget what we were just talking about i want to dub it though it was about the credit limit looking up the credit limit yeah something where they said you were they were going to give you 100 interest yeah look if you do or charge you 100 interest yeah so look okay just say i want to this is pretty approved by the way

and and credit karma don't really look at your square they just give you a bunch of bullshit if you look at a loan amount for $20,000, okay? Where's the site right here? We're looking at $725 for 36 months. Wait, total over 36 months. Yes, times 36. $20,000. So divide that or times that times $725 by.66.

Yeah, my shit went up. That's the learning club. Do you that's the calculator here we go here's another one 725 times 0.66 now fuck that one uh that's 500 so 500 annually on 20 000 that's what 2.5 percent yeah but now here's another one that's not the worst wait i have a 760 credit score bro i'm talking off the my boys that i've made them download this i was gonna say that's not bad yeah no that's not 760 that ain't even a dub but here's another one like uh 675 a month for 60 months let's do the math on that wait 675 a month for 60 months so 675 every month yes they give me two pre-approved offers how much is the loan 40 500 how much is the loan 20 000 so what i'm trying to say is that look they're making a hundred because this is pre bro can i see that yeah give me that what the fuck bank is that

hold on hold on and this is for you with a 760 credits fuck i lost it bro lending club i don't even believe that here's another one interest and fees 15 grand there's another one bro look at that interest what kind of loan is this these are pre-approved loans but what i'm saying is yeah but bro what the fuck is a college loan bro it's pre-approved you know what they don't give a fuck they're just giving it to you this this blows my mind right yeah we have this expectation like when you are a 16 17 year old kid if you're a guy you're loaded you're young dumb and full of cum if you're a girl whatever the fucking girl version of that is your whole idea is independence

get the fuck away from the man get away from daddy get away from mommy go somewhere right and by the way what else i'm doing the thing that is making my parents proud because they hang out with their fucking buddies in the town and say oh my kid's going to this college or whatever. Right. And I'm also doing the thing that society says, oh, this is what you do next. Right. This is it. Right?

Right. So I'm going to get in there and my parents say, well, you know, college is expensive. We don't have all the money. No problem. And that's fine. Like some parents, a lot of parents like are like, I mean, they're charging fucking 50 grand a year for a lot of these places now how the fuck are people supposed to afford that so parents are like bro and the girls are playing ride the bus whatever whatever whatever they're telling they're telling their son

or daughter like hey you gotta get some loans here perfectly fine they go in there to get a loan somebody male female somebody at the age of 17 Going for their independence Doing what society expects of them Fucking banker puts in front of them Hey, that dotted line right there, you sign that You get all of it Oh What's 150k? What's 150k?

I can make that Your first year of college I already had a job at Applebee's this summer I cleared like five how hard is that gonna be to get 150k then they do four years they play ride the bus a bunch they play some pong they have a good time they fucking fuck everything with a pulse they get out and they're like oh the real world's here and they're like oh fuck there's like rent there's health care there's there's fucking groceries there's i gotta i gotta go

out and have fun right oh my god i'm living paycheck to paycheck and i gotta pay two grand a month the student loans but they love it they love it bro i don't think they love that yeah they didn't love it they wouldn't be doing it no no no i understand what you're saying they love they love the idea of going to do it after the fact though they all have regret of it they all don't okay they don't miss hold on actually cap on that uh-huh they don't miss the experience of college they all look back on that as they should it's like yeah that was fucking fun as hell right but they hate the fact that they're like wait what the fuck did i get for that i drank a lot but like did my education wait and you spent money on your fucking alcohol too and your drugs

and it's like and who was giving them to you yeah the ogs yep y'all were doing it i was giving it you feel me y'all were betting you were betting through my shit i'm gonna get in trouble if i expand upon that nah i'm not gonna don't expand upon what i said but expand on what you're saying i just want to make that clear that's the point then when they're older and now they're a little wiser right i give them credit for that because they're just older and they now they're in the real world they see what that bill looks like they see what even if they still don't understand cash flow which frankly that's something they don't teach in college so people don't fucking understand it college don't teach you how to put people on payroll they don't teach you shit about that stuff none of that real world application some business schools do obviously

which is great that's a benefit of having a business screen right and bias but either way like you know they don't teach you that thing and now you see it and you're like oh fuck and you may not say like yo i regret the experiences i had in college no i love that but like god damn am i fucked right now and so so many people unfortunately it does like you talk about the people who you don't understand who have to work for somebody doesn't even do you understand that a lot of people are forced to do that because if they don't they're fucked like if i i i thank god listen to me I thank God every day. One of the best lottery tickets I ever got in my life, and I didn't have gratitude for this until the year after college when I started to realize about this, is that I was an only child. And so my parents could afford to send me to college.

One of the greatest gifts they ever gave me is that I left college without debt because then I started to see that people could not take the chance on stuff because they literally would not be able to do anything in their life because their credit score would be below fucking 300. Why is it below 300? Because they had student loans. And that's the point. And now what? We expect that decision making from a 17, 18 year old. That's why it's a bullshit system. Right.

And as a parent who might be an immigrant, who might not have it like you wish they had it, who might be this, who doesn't have the right mindset, it's going to feel some type of way and they're going to force you to go to college. You're going to be forced to. So now you have to take that loon now. At 17, 18 years old, bro, I was doing whatever I wanted, bro. But I have these values and respect in me to where I was still listening. My mom said, yo, we got dinner on the table at 7 o'clock on Sunday. I was there, bro. I wasn't missing that shit because I still respect it. You know what I'm saying?

I still do. But now you're forcing kids, like you said, of 17, 18 to make terrible deals. All right, let me ask you some other thing. You ready? So if, if, just say you, okay, in my brother's perspective, as a young artist, as a young boss, a young OG, I'm building up, giving him his own kingdom. If he's looking at the TLA, you know the TLA? TLA? On South Street, the event center.

No. I don't know the full name for it. It's called the TLA. You ever go down South Street in Philadelphia? Yeah. You know Lorenzo's Pizza? Yeah. You know across the street?

Big fucking place. The big place with all the rappers' names, all the bands' names, all the concert. Bro, are you kidding me, bro? You don't know the TLA? I'm a New Yorkork guy these days man bro anyone that's grown up around here knows it whatever bro fuck it bro fuck it so we got the tla right it holds 2 000 people right my brother just sold out a show two years not a full a year and a half ago before covid in philly with roughly five to 600 people, right? We want that TLA. We want that

1500 to 2000 people venue, right? If I can't get that right now, if they say you need more revenue, you need more streams, you need, we're just not letting you, bro, what am I going to be like? All right, fuck it. I'm going to just go to go to i'm gonna just go to voltage where we were no bro i'm gonna put in that work so i can get there so now what you said like you said if your school's lucky enough to have a business school right i'm pretty sure you just said that did you say that something along those something along those lines what dude i can i can say this confidently with my heart i'll say not you see that i don't want to hurt people's feelings because like everybody gets their fucking feelings hurt but in my life 80 to 90 percent will

say of people that i knew that wanted to go to a specific college did not get accepted to that college and they want somewhere that they got accepted to right how the fuck are you so and they got loans they got them loans they were spending them loans they would get that 7k a semester or something you know back in there i don't even know what it's called can you tell me what it's called just so i know it's like you get you know how you get money back as a student sometimes we get loans you just keep the cash just like you could do whatever you want go straight to your bank account like a grant yeah whatever people everyone i knew was getting that shit there was like the pell grants and stuff but i don't know if that's exactly what

you're referring to something whatever bro i'd see all these college kids get these loans back or taxes back or some shit i don't fucking know whatever it was and then just go fuck it off dude so it's like one you were denied something that you truly wanted so you accepted the plan b you went to the plan b you have no idea what finances are you have no idea what loans are you have no idea that you're being programmed in a fucking dictator shit bro you know a jail system is lit bro every time i'm bro i'm not even allowed in my old high school first off i've showed up to speak to somebody about something I wanted to do with sponsorship for basketball. I've showed up and they said, oh, you're not allowed in here.

There's a, you know, because they say that the school safety laws, what the fuck, bro? I'm an alumni. You can do. What do you mean school safety laws? Well, bro, you know, there's all these weirdos coming in shooting shit, bro. Like some sickos, bro. You'll all get fucking pissed on if I see you. But it's like,

so it's like... They're kind of doing their job. Who? The shooters? No, no, not the shooters. The fucking people not letting you in. You never know.

The way the world works now, I seen on Facebook, they said, bro, I'm getting dehydrated from talking so much. But you see my lips, I'm starting to get the pussy lip pause.

But so, so you got dudes that are on here right on facebook athletic directors all this fucking shit all these positions in school typing away all you all you uh what are they saying like internet entrepreneurs from from gloucester catholic flexing everything that we didn't teach right saying uh where are you guys at you should be putting your money up this and that bro i think it was like fucking uh you ever you ever hear and maybe this is a little unrelated but this is so fucking interesting you ever hear the idea i don't know if people said it like this but someone definitely has because it's not that profound of like the rebel

becomes the establishment yes but i don't fully fully understand it because can i give you an example yes okay okay facebook right facebook started as this upstart social media company out of it after the winklevoss drama which you know they fucked them over but let's just say out of a dorm room which no one knows about the winklevoss is until the movie came out but anyway and and by the way credit to those guys because they swallowed everything that came at them and they built and they're fucking successful as fuck i mean bro they're fucking cappers bro how are they cappers bro i i've read deep into this bro i respect it that's important whatever bro everything i'm a big reader i know i know you read a lot but like who who i don't have one

credible source now i have many credible sources that i should are you reading bro the whole internet bro but i will never you see look like bro that's what i'm saying like i can't even say that shit with a straight face no you can't bro because that shit makes me laugh but there's a book listen to me listen to me i'm gonna put this on because like wait this is a book just tell me about this this guy reads a lot like seriously like we're always talking about books and shit bitcoin billionaires by ben mesrick who wrote you know the movie social network yes he wrote the book that was that okay you know the movie 21 nah with blackjack kevin spacey okay he wrote the book that was one of the best fucking writers on planet Earth a writer Yes, when he wrote the social network

You remember the world the movie was kind of not nice to Zuckerberg because the book wasn't that nice to me there cuz he was Capped media manipulation. Well, no, he didn't like the guy very much. She'd like cuz he spent time around who did it the writer? Messer didn't like Zuckerberg. Yeah. Well well where's zuckerberg but listen to me listen yeah zuckerberg if the winklevoss twins had not settled the suit people don't know this in 2008 they settled and by the way you want to talk about betting on yourself they refused to take the suit in cash payment they had emmanuel urquhart as their attorneys who's one of the best law firms in the world i respect them for believing in themselves at a point of no return but attorneys like cash right so when they were offered 65 million in cash in 2008 and they said no we want it the company that just fucked them they they

removed them the wink of us twins removed themselves from feeling fucked and said do we believe in the actual thing they've created yes we do we want it in stock the attorney screamed at them they said no we know what it is we're gonna make a lot more money on that and they did and then they built off that and they built their own thing so the shit bro no no the net this is the narrative you have the same narrative that everyone else has it's the same narrative i had ben mesrick wrote a very unexpected sequel to that book nine years later called Bitcoin Billionaires because he fucked with the Winklevoss twins. And he's like, they're two tall, blonde guys. They're from some money.

They went to Harvard. They're the fucking – they're the poster childs. But why do these guys never – they never respond in public. They don't listen to – when all the people make fun of them, they just dirt off their shoulder and they focus and they build. So he went and looked at what they were doing and he was like, holy fucking shit. They built this fucking empire with a company that was their capital VC company and they went into a space that none of the establishment was in. And now they're worth billions of dollars. Billions.

And the story has changed. And like same as you, I didn't know that either. And so like i see that and i don't even remember where the fuck i started with this but in a way it's weird because i was starting at this is what it was i was starting with zuckerberg as the example before the sidebar started as the rebel right started facebook changed the internet internet 2.0 whatever at some point you stop being that company in the dorm room fucking google they were in a garage they were students phd students one day they were the rebels they had no money one of At some point, you stop being that company in the dorm room. Fucking Google. They were in a garage.

They were students, PhD students one day. They were the rebels. They had no money. One of them was an immigrant. Started as the rebel. Become the establishment, right? So there's this thing that happens, and you don't know. I've never experienced it myself, so I can't say.

But, like, I talk about this with Anthony and Riley a lot. A lot. My gosh. Yeah. I'm sore. We've been with them for, your boys like five six years now since the original crowd and that's that's by that is by coincidence you and i did not know that we all knew each other or whatever so funny how small the world is but like i talk about with

them all the time at what point do you realize we've lost the whole three assholes in jersey just doing some cool shit and suddenly we're the corporate mindset we have to do this we have this expectation we have a pr team like where does the culture die so the fuck man there's so much shit you're saying today that's like profound and i don't even agree with all of it but it's just like you're honest about it if you don't agree i want to know why you don't agree i don't no no i'm that was a general statement in general yeah right you're saying a million things right some things i'm like i'm not sure about that if it comes up again i'll bring it up and i've said it a few times today but like there's when you stop being like that upstart you become the thing that you hate that's what i'm getting

to who to that's when you're not the fucking boss bro no no the opposite you mean then the opposite why maybe not the way you define boss this is a really bro if you're taking somebody else's money you are not the boss anymore bro so whoever you're talking about if they're taking someone's money which that's the only way to yeah no the people i'm talking about aren't taking so what do you mean by that exactly they lose they they try to you start as trying to change the world right right like what you say right do something different and then eventually when you do the thing different and it works you want the same thing and so now you're the new world order and now you want to keep that world order

You don't want to go to something new. I don't know if I brought I definitely didn't bring this up earlier There was something you were you were taught Oh, you were talking about thinking like the customer and you said we're using a blue magic example from America It works good. They'll all come to you. You know who believe that more than anything who? That guy fast steve jobs backs steve jobs right said the customer isn't going to tell you what they want they can't put it into words they may even tell you the opposite but i know what they want and so things like when people wanted to do the stylus pen right that's important or people like to feel the keyboard he said you already have five fucking

stylus pens on one hand you have another five on the other hand and you can fucking use that to also type away without actually putting any exertion on your goddamn limbs to do it and so people flipped remember the blackberry culture when we were young right people big blackberry guy this doesn't have buttons we can't do it steve jobs said you're not gonna want any fucking buttons comes out with the iphone at first you know it was apple and he had built apple into a powerhouse by then so people there were people adopting it making money but a lot of people were like i will never stoop to that two years later they're all there your grandfather who came out and said i'll never have a iphone eight years later mine did

right like my other grandpa is always first in line to get the newest thing yeah that's the mentality you got to keep yes now i totally, I totally 100% agree with that. Now, let's add something to it. Look on the other side. Android. Right? Why are they still around? Because their product is undeniable.

Yeah. Their speeds are faster. Their camera qualities are better. The real tech dudes I know do not fuck with apple right so really yes because because the work isn't as good as the android work right so steve jobs yes he's also been dead for 10 years yeah remember that r.i.p steve so exactly and nobody bro i don't bro everybody is their own individual person. Right.

Steve might have had a couple of, he might have had a couple of mentees. He might have had a couple of students. He might have had a young bull that he felt like was him to the T. Johnny Ive. Sure, but he will never be Steve. So, the point that I'm making here is that Android's work is undeniable. Yeah. So, they're still around. They're still applying pressure.

Windows, their work is undeniable. Still applying pressure. It's all around. Apple, on the other hand, like you said, understood the consumer. Understood that, yo, we're dealing with buttons. Let me throw in a touchpad. They understood, yeah, on these BlackBerrys, we got 100 fold. Let me just throw in a touchpad they understood uh yeah on these blackberries we got a hundred foot let me just throw in the the apple home screen it's all right in front of you

it's all boom right in your face pow pow it's all done right so steve on one hand understood fuck the consumer my work is so good i'm gonna get that right but now android on the other hand said yo fuck the consumer my work is so good that the real OG is going to fuck with me. You know what I'm saying? The real OG is going to fuck with me. Same side of the same coin. Same side of the same coin. Different side of the same coin is what I meant.

It's the same coin, just a different side. Yes. Which makes you think now, how many different sides are there to life, right? How are there, how can I sit here and say to you, fuck the consumer, my work is so good, yous are always gonna bang with me. Since a jit, since I was young as shit, anything I did, yous have always,

because I never give a fuck, it's always my work. But then on the other side, I just explained how, you know what I'm saying or you explained how apple just put out something that was an issue to people and they just hopped on it you know what i'm saying now do i like apple better yeah bro because it's like i said it's it's apple now you know what i'm saying here's an important point talk you said the ogs the tech guys they like android but yes i might i think it depends on guy, but I bet a lot of them do. And I actually know someone who does, so I agree with you.

But we are, you and I, are we coders? No, we're not. We're not. We're not. And guess what? More people than not are not. And more people than not, regardless of what we are, you're a fucking boss. I'm trying to be a boss here, like doing thing right we're not a boss and we wouldn't lie and say yo we're a

boss in tech we don't gotta be right exactly exactly right so we are the consumer in that case and that's okay no we're not how are we not no we're not why would we be the consumer in tech in that case hell we are using tech bro i don't even want to simplify it that much to that case let's talk in general like in tech like we're not consumers to this phone i don't know because i don't sit on my phone and look at what other motherfuckers are doing and shit i hop on my phone and i start calling up bro my dad okay okay okay stop stop yeah that's what i mean yes major issue with steve jobs did actually you want to break that down you are not the point you're making for me is you use it as a utility it's a utility it's a yes yes you are not looking at it for what's the code base on

here or whatever that's who are we canceling today fuck you that that's that's my point yeah so we are in that case we are the consumer we consume it to do business on it we may be using it for better utility than the person who's fucking scrolling away all day that we could put a lot of perspectives yes i think you're just allergic to being the consumer but that's okay i'm allergic to it i fucking hate it on that bro i'm gonna call you out of what you are though but that's my point like there's things about it that like steve looked at it like who is the average person meaning not the average person like who's a nitwit even if you include those who's the average person who's just like not working at apple

headquarters or fucking google or facebook every day that's it right that's all it was right right and so that could be the smartest guy on planet earth and it could be the dumbest guy on planet earth if they're not working in tech as a coder bro i agree yes he gave the good work yes he got the results man he's fucking you want to hear something funny about steve jobs actually which i guarantee you nobody knows this shit because y'all are too busy watching fucking david dobriks and shit so yeah go laugh a little bit so my people know that steve jobs actually made more money off Disney than he did on Apple. Pixar, baby. Yes.

There was more. I read something where his amount today would have been like $300 billion in his stock that he had on that shit. Could you imagine that shit? I don't know what is what Lorene has, his wife, Lorene Powell Jobs. But like she got a certain amount and to your point he would have been that's including like corporate stock grants that he didn't end up getting because he died yeah he'd have been worth at least that bro so somebody like steve right and makes you think that was his passion that was his vision do you know what do you know how he

looked at himself though no i don't actually tell me, actually. Tell me. You do. Tell me. You've read it. Tell me, though. I want to know your opinion on it. It's not my opinion. It's how he looked at himself. And I don't mean to cut you off, but it's important for the point you're making. Right.

He didn't look at himself as a tech guy, creating great tech. He was an artist. Bro, that's something I want to say here. Do it. This whole Apple, this all this shit, that was Steve getting his message out to the world, bro. Yes. That's exactly what we use music for.

You know what I'm saying? All of these things I'm saying to you, I express them through my artists. I express them through my art of business, the art of war, the laws of power. That's how you build a brand. That's how you become what you want to become. It's not about Apple. It's not about active records. It's not about windows. It's not about none of this shit. It's about the message you have to put out to the world. Us as men, in my opinion, which I want to validate because there is what else are we here to do? Us as men are born to come onto this earth to create offspring and to build, to just build, to create new things.

Right? So you got, you got, when in, in any of the hieroglyphics and any of the ancient scriptures, where the fuck did we see school at? Where did we see that shit? We're here to build, bro. Wire, let's break down another thing here. School as they have it now, you mean? School was always like this. When the fuck was it different?

No, but I mean in the context of time, right? Maybe in like 1954, the way they have school right now would have been relative to the innovation and the abilities we had as humans where and i mean that because guess what school's not much different i don't care what they tell you it's not much different than it was in 1954 right now and that's not at all except for the fact that we don't get beat with sticks and shit yes you know i'm saying what's talking about jail bro what is that So we were talking on fucking phones with cords hung into the wall and moving a fucking dial like that. Well, that's what I want to say on.

And now we talk on an iPhone and yet school is the same. It's the same. Hell. Hell. And that's what I wanted to say. I'm not talking about my aunt, uncle, mom, dad, the generation on top of us, big brother, big cousin, whatever, I'm not talking on that, because that, that's serious, you know what I'm saying, that is, bro, they didn't have this, bro, I swear to, bro, last time, last time I used, like, a laptop to

conduct business, bro, like, email, bro, it was, I might have been 17 I want to say before I even realized that people want to hear your voice that's one people want to hear your voice I'm not talking about no elders they do their thing they bust their ass

they do what they gotta do this and that but for somebody in our generation the fall victim to our generation right the fall victim to a cell phone the fall victim to a laptop the fall victim to a tv bro you're a fucking nerd bro how are you falling victim to things that are supposed to make us right so you add something here right so make us let's let's let's draw back to the early 2000s, to the late 90s, the 1990s and shit, right? So look at the dot-com, the bubble, the internet bubble, all this shit.

Mark Cuban is a great example I always like to use, bro. The computer came out. Mark Cuban goes and gets some broadcast dot-com thing. It's hot right now. He sells it for like $6 billion. It turns out to be the worst deal ever made in in history you know what i'm saying things like that he was ahead of his time with that too right but anyone can be ahead of their time like he took something that was given to you

to watch victoria's secret fashion shows on the internet which is what he did he said fuck that shit i'm gonna build this and i'm gonna broadcast the consumer shit you know what i'm saying so how could we take a phone how could we take a laptop a tv and fall victim to it that i think i don't escapism escapism so let's talk about i think i think people are so... You know what, actually? This is even bigger than that. I think this is a good place to inject this.

I think that in a world that has so much transparency to seeing how every fucking thing works, that knowledge is freedom, but it's also a curse. And it's a curse in the sense that it has a constant reminder around us to detract from whether or not – or to detract from our ability to feel a purpose. exactly that way for her to have any self-worth all the way down to the guy who's working a great job that's making him a lot of money and maybe not according to your standards because of what how strongly you believe but to like a person who's happy and making a lot of money and getting his retirement fund and and has a great family and can pass down something that maybe his father couldn't pass down to him now he's looking at that job and saying like well wait that fucking

guy's a billionaire doing this that's cool this isn't i don't feel like i'm doing anything here and the fact of the matter is even though we're talking like this and people all want like you guys like you and me want to chase something great the number of people who will actually succeed at that by percentages cannot be fucking 50 right there's there's going to be people who even try to do that and fail because they're not good enough it It's the competition of society. And so people are looking around, and you saw this more than ever with the COVID pandemic. When people were at home, they had time to go into their heads and think and fucking sit behind the keyboards and look at everything that was happening and get angry and madder and madder and fucking get a comment off just to get pissed off and whatever. And now people are like, yo, what is my purpose for being alive and

i say this all in in a world where we are at we're at the precipice of it but we have not entered the full ai age yet right like that hasn't fully happened yet it can happen any day now like we're we're there right but hasn't fully happened yet people are already wondering this shit it's tough man it's tough because people understand numbers and they get fucking, they get pushed down by them. Your attitude is fuck you. I'm going to go get it. And I don't give a shit what the percentages are. I'll fucking figure it out. There are very few people who have the ability to cut through the bullshit and find a way to say, Hey, win, lose, or fail. I'm going to go for it. You know where that came from?

Two places that came from for me. One, when I was 10 years old, I realized my name was Georgios Karadonis. With that fucking name, bro, you better be doing something big. I want to make that clear right now. What do you mean you realized your name? Dude, when I realized, like, holy fucking shit, bro.

This is my name. This is what I'm representing. It's a badass name. Name one, look is what I'm representing it's a badass name one look at what I'm representing my last name when you realize all these things that's when that hits and two when I realized bro like how how are you not going to take that jump bro how are you not going to pivot to that you know what i'm saying and i feel like that has to do with your surroundings okay with your surroundings right so i like them i like that but uh nailed it yeah so so something i've always like talked about was the reason i'm so hard on my little brother my little brother benzie who's literally going to be a global phenomenon one

day okay dude he's gotten a lot better too thank you i gotta say thank you and that's another thing let's talk about foundation how young did he start by the way like he dude he started before me at like eight or nine djing and shit no no i mean like artist wise with a name out with a web 17 yeah 17 18 or something right and he's 20 now so think about that's two three years bro a lot of people are you know i'm saying they're deluded oh three years fuck it bro i'm out you know i'm saying but that's not our belief system anyway i'm so hard on this shit because when i see my father my father father, 50-something years old, got his partner, went overseas, purchased the most historical soccer team in the country of Greece. What team?

One, Iraklis FC. 25, 30,000 people. What time is that? Thessaloniki. Wait, wait, wait. With Pauk, with Adis. Yeah, I was going to say Pauk and Adis. Yes.

There's a third one? If you look my father's name up on Yes. There's a third one? If you look my father's name up on Google. There's a third one? Yes. You will see paparazzi pictures of my father on the beach. Paparazzi behind the fucking trees snapping him with the Adis owner. With the Balk owner. With shit like that.

You know what I'm saying? Oh, he's with the enemy. He's with... Of course he's with that. He's trying to one bro. Okay. We're going to talk about this later too. Nico's definitely not happy about this. No, he's not. He's not Of course he's with that He's trying to one bro Okay We're gonna talk about this Later too Nico's definitely not happy

About this No he's not But at this Fuck it Fuck you Nico I can't even say anything Bad about Iraklis I don't know what that means

I remember you saying that Since we were young though I know what that means You've been saying that For ten fucking years I remember that exactly Right Right So break this down though since we were young. I know what that means. You've been saying that for 10 fucking years. I remember that exactly. I know. I've been saying that for 10 fucking years. Right.

So break this down though. I see my pops at 50 plus years old. Okay. Who's a president of more federations and societies than I can even count. I haven't spoken a full two hours with this dude in 10 years because he's so fucking busy that that i've seen him at 50 plus years old go overseas with his partner beat out a fucking multi-billionaire from the arab emirates from dubai off of his speech bro my father and his partner bro they do not have a billion dollars bro neither does his partner bro no one's got a billion dollars my father beat these dubai

motherfuckers bro on a deal to purchase this team bro now did they purchase another team who the dubai guys no they got kicked out back to their country bro this is our fucking shit you're not coming in here and buying our shit this is greek bro that's another thing dude there's nothing wrong with sticking to your culture it's a thing everywhere but here in america for some reason people don't understand it people get pissed at people sticking to their cultures and shit i i think i am actually wait a second wait i'm not talking white and black by the way no no no i'm talking about greek italian african-american i didn't think all this shit these are all cultures i didn't think you were you were going there right i'm a lot of people do though.

And that's bullshit, bro. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. I got to process for a second. Tell me. Because that went the way you were explaining that I did. It's hard for me to put into words. My father went back to his country, said, fuck you to a multi-billionaire team of motherfuckers trying to buy this team.

That's what it was. Hold on buy this team that's what it was hold on yeah that's what it was you're saying because the context of that was in greece there's nothing wrong with like in your country like yo this is our soccer team we're gonna keep it here right like like really we're not gonna let outsiders come in and do it but then there's a false equation with america this is interesting america's fucking stupid no no no hold on this this is interesting you say that about greece i agree with you too because greece how many people live in greece like nine to eleven million yeah it was like 10 million was the number right so right in the strike zone it is a smaller country with a lot of pride it's had a lot of problems too for

centuries enormous problem that's because of america maybe maybe but side issue side and won't disagree with that side issue china too a lot of issues there but you look at it now in america way bigger country built upon all these countries including greece of people who came here the false equivalency that's like a little bit of hypocrisy but i get it and what you're saying is that in america it's okay to be an american and be about that and be about the american dream and everything it offers you i say that hold on no yeah the other side of it is what you said it's okay to be like that because in a way you are following the american dream what you're saying i'm completing your sentences

here so afterwards if you want to correct the record correct but on the other end of it it's okay that also when you're here to remember where you came from and the other people who have that thing in common with you to be able to stick with them as family within the context of america that like that's what america is yes there's no such thing as an american bro there is but there's not america was created what fuck 300 something years ago couldn't you say that about any country though no technically no cuz what's 300 years to 3,000 years in the context of human life we could say we're all Israelites we're all Romans we're all fucking Greeks excuse me we're all we're all Africans

truly no brother no bro we're in the piss. We have America, right? Standing right here. That's 350 to 400 years old, right? So why all of a sudden is everybody pissed that the Greeks are staying with the Greeks, right? That the Italians are with the Italians. That the Chinese are with the Chinese. That the Africans are with the Africans. I'm Greek-American, right? The Africans are with the Africans. I'm Greek American, right?

The Africans are African American. The Italians are Italian American. Why is everybody pissed that now all of a sudden we're trying to stick with our cultures? That does not mean that we can't invite somebody to our culture. That does not mean that. And that by no means means that. But what I see in America is is the real og saying not the issue bro what like all that white shit what you say earlier what are they called white uh white national nationalists what the fuck is that what the fuck is that bro you're in a country that welcomed that this is the american dream bro fuck all that shit i'm not i don't know below the conversation right i don't even want to talk about that what i'm saying is that our culture is our family bro i will never fuck another greek bro

we'll never fucking pause i like that little look you gave me pause i misunderstood for a second right i know that sounded funny bro but that's why i said pause fuck over another greek fuck sure yes sure but what i'm saying with that is, bro, this is where I come from, bro. I got people in my country that need help. I got people in my country that through this pandemic were broker than anything. Greece doesn't have money, bro. I know music artists. The restrictions there were insane.

Bro, I was there for a year during the prime of the pandemic, bro. Did you have to text the government to leave your house? Yes, but you know what I said? Fuck you. You think I'm going to text you to leave my house? Did you get fined? No. You know why?

Why? Because I don't give a fuck. Because I'm an American citizen. Or because you didn't get caught. No, of course I got caught. Everybody gets caught. On every corner, they're there. How'd you not get fined?

Fine me. Fine me. Bro, I live in America. Am I going to court no so they just walked away they walk away bro it's like bro the point i'm trying to make with that too is that you can't how could you call somebody daddy for something that doesn't make sense yeah why the fuck am i texting you to leave my house how we're programmed from legit to fall into these traps what else bro there's three types of people in this world you said four i'm gonna stick to my three that's all i know for at the moment and we'll break down the third one because you said it breaks into two but the one that doesn't know which i would say is 90

percent of the people the one that knows and does which is one percent yeah and the one that knows but doesn't do which we could say is probably that's the one i broke into two but yeah that's the one you broke into two but what i say by knows and doesn't know i'm talking deeper than news and doesn't know and i'm sure you understand what I'm trying to say here. No. Maybe I will after you say it. Somebody that thinks they know, okay, in my eyes, is somebody that does shit. They do things that aren't directly correlated to the biggest dream. Who is the richest man on earth? I don't know.

But just say he's got $20 billion. I don't think anyone knows because it's a saudi it's over with some oil exactly thinking that thinking that he looks he's looking at that forbes list going that's nice right right as if they knew right i agree with that and that's another thing i gave that look by the way because i realized that was a different list i thought you were doing the same list as earlier. What list? That was a different... The list we were doing with people who want it but don't want it or what...

Like, we're getting complicated. In a way, but no. In a way, but no. Yeah, this is... That's why I was like, oh, shit. I misunderstood what you were saying. You're talking about, like... And you may have even said this earlier with another content.

There's been a lot today. There's been a lot. Right. You keep me honest. But that's what I do, bro. I gotta break the fuck down for everybody. people can you can rewind this keep going because you said people who know but don't know yeah think by people that i know i mean are you cracking the fucking matrix do you realize listen to what i'm talking about here you can hear it like dude like

i'm looking like it's funny but i'm looking at like elon and shit blowing a blunt down and shit like that's funny that Elon, Elon, Elon. We got three of them. That's hilarious to me. Like, Elon's a no matrix. Elon's going to Mars. Elon doesn't care what you say. Yes. Elon has his company.

He's smoked a blunt with Joe Rogan. He lost 10% of his stock price. Who gives a fuck? Look at it. It's right back up this past summer which i bet you nobody knows they did a split what happened after the split it still tripled you know what i'm saying so there's a lot there's a lot to go in depth with i doubt we can get it all done here in this segment in the segment sorry so i would like to keep it going another time but

let's keep this pushing right now with what i'm speaking about so so what i'm saying is by if you know or don't know i'm not saying like you literally like oh yeah dude i want to get rich bro i got this idea blah blah blah blah that's not what i'm talking about i'm talking about knowing and not knowing the way i'm saying it right now bro the way are you an og are you a boss or are you a young bull are you a consumer are you an OG? Are you a boss? Or are you a young bull? Are you a consumer? Are you a fucking punk? Are you someone who cancels people? Are you someone who just chatty patties all fucking day? That's what I mean by no and don't know. You know what I mean? The no isn't, oh yeah, I made it a little bit, so I know. Like, I know I want to get on. I know, blah, blah, blah.

That's not what I mean by no. It's deeper than that. Do you know the laws? You know? Do you know the values of a true OG? Of someone who runs the world? Of a Nealon? Of a Steve? You know? Of a Dame?

You feel me? Of a Master P? Do they really? Hold on though. Right. And this is a compliment to all those guys. Right. Tell me.

They're themselves. Right. And this is a compliment to all those guys. Tell me. They're themselves. Exactly. All those people you just need, I think. I'd have to list. That was a list of six people. Are you proving my point here? They all stayed the rebel. Yes.

You're proving my point majorly here. The point is that these dudes were the rebel and stayed the rebel from age five plus before five you don't know you don't know if you got if you're a girl or not you know what i'm saying you have no idea before five i don't remember anything you know what i mean i thought i was going to be the next alan iverson really i did uh for some reason dude i know this sounds funny guys but i haven't seen joey in a couple years like bro i remember you fucking with ai a lot i remember wearing his jersey i remember you representing the dude i lot. I remember you wearing his jersey. I remember you representing the dude.

I remember all that. And also on top of that is when you become, I'm sure you can attest to this, when you understand, when you know, when you see, to see and understand that I'm talking about, there ain't none of that bullshit around, bro. You can sit there and tell me, yeah, I just talked to AI. Yeah, you just talked to AI, bro. Yeah, yeah, I don't either way don't fucking matter to me You know what I'm saying like so dudes that are out here talking like but you know

Bro, how many times someone will run up on me, bro? Oh, what's up, brother? Sup, brother I think I think the off-handed like when someone's just saying what's up and they're not trying to impress the people around them Right, I think that's that's somewhat normal. Okay, I do did there's people that I've never met in my life I'm like, what's up, bro? Like it's not like it's not like yo, what's up brother bro is loose. No, no We'll call a bro loose. That's what I mean But even the word bro shouldn't be thrown around like you're talking about and I don't know like I see that as purely loose slang in that way. Maybe you see it differently. So differently so we'll disagree with there right you're talking about though when people let's give it

Let's give a visual example We're in the Borgata cool. We go into premier every place bottle on Right right like when I'm in AC I tell people this I'm like we can't What we can do there? Yeah, what are we going to Harrisris no we're not gonna i'm a fucking g i'm stepping up in the brigade justin right talking about our do we want the table straight across from the act do we want the table like right on the diagonal that the diagonal the diagonal or do we want the one right up by the dj booth we want to dap him up which which one do we

want i like i like the straight on i like that too a lot sometimes they do why you up you say yeah yeah the levitated right everybody got their hands up like yeah man you're bringing me respect that you're bringing to me my right before not right before almost but like a few months before corona labor day september we got a table it was my friend's birthday and so i was like yo she was asking which club we were going to go to i'm like there's only one club we're going to premiere and she's like okay and she's like oh two chains is playing i don't know if we can go there i'm like now we're definitely going definitely got right so we get nico and me know that the guy justin nico knows him a lot better nico's like

boys with him now justin knows me just because of nico i don't know his last name he's the long-haired guy works the front of premiere like run he's like the manager right but he i call him up i'm like yo can we um can we do a table for two changes like yeah i'm like all right well we gotta do a good one we get that fucking levitated one not the one right next to the dj booth which by the way was double the price yes be clear but the one straight across like eyes on straight ahead eyes on so like you're standing on the top where you can sit and you're just staring at holding up and yo nico came too by the way yes he ended up coming to that we had fucking bottles like hanging up right and two chains that night was like way too high but his dj that he brought was i swear to god dude best dj i've ever he was on yous all night

but yeah i don't know why we got i just got in my pre-covid feels there but yeah like you gotta do it right with that shit i have no idea what we're talking we were talking about loosely throwing around the word right that's what it was so we're also speaking on so what i was saying is if it let's say you have a bullshit table whatever right you got a table right maybe you spent money you don't have but you got a table at premier and another anyone in the club's a boy unless you're celebrating but okay fair okay i agree with that i've actually never been there for a non-birthday or like that birthday and achievement yeah exactly trying to fire up if we might as well it up tonight you know what i'm saying yeah yeah there was always something

related to it but interesting but you know you could have a table and then i got a table let's say i'm legit and you're not you're joe blow i'm fucking joe not blow like if you come up to my table in front of everyone who's there and bring a couple of your little drag alongs with you to act like you're important and you're wearing some fucking you know fake suit out of nothing and that's not a fake suit right there by the way but i'm saying like you're wearing something you got at the goodwill store trying to make it look good and whatever to impress somebody and you're coming up like yo bro you remember me what's up yeah how how are you fam or something that's when it's bullshit you're a fucking turd that's when it's bullshit the fuck you talking to this dude fam for bro who the fuck is this guy you know what

i'm saying yeah people throw that what is all that yeah but this is something don't don't look away for this this is something i really want to focus on is i'm not too many people don't believe in themselves enough to find satisfaction in claiming the relationship with others like i know a lot of people in the music industry at my age right who are from philadelphia who are from new york who are from new jersey who go to certain certain places and certain positions and have to claim me or someone they know to try to fit in and then i'll have somebody bro this is real life shit and then i'll have somebody call me and be like, yo, bro, what's his name was here saying yous are fucking boys. I know he's capping.

And I'll say, who said that? And because me and my dogs, me and my OGs, we're not fucking chatty patties. Don't tell me the name straight up. What's his name was here claiming he knows you talking to all these Gs, bro, that he knows you and that, ha, ha, ha. When this dude's a fuckboy, bro. I haven't done a single business, fucking venture with you in, honestly, never. The dude I'm specifically thinking of, never. So why are you out here claiming people's names for respect?

You're just insecure you don't have enough you don't have enough let's say enough power enough understanding of the laws of war all right so fuck all that the two most important things to me that will eliminate people doing that that will eliminate you calling fake bros and fake brothers and fake families that will eliminate you from being a boy from a consumer is is pick up some information on laws of power you know pick up some information on arts of war you know go back to laws of power laws of power what is that laws of power pick up the book and read you know what i'm saying i'm not speaking on that right art of war how do people win wars read the art of war looking at people like macho valley napoleon all these napoleon was four fucking foot i love that

he said macaveli by the way right well that's shout out pop yeah right bro it's it just how like all right bro right there like you're giving me i'll say something you look around him look him boom oh yeah him boom good example bro we have all these examples in front of us but yous are following the fuck boys how are yous fuck like because dude i'm just i'm a mad young boy i'm not even the fuck boys show them a life that they want that may and very often isn't real may not be and very often is not real and yet they expect that may and very often isn't real, may not be, and very often is not real. And yet they expect that they're going to have that thing. No, this is interesting too, because you're in an interesting industry where you have to show power, right? You're also in an industry where

a lot of people, not necessarily, I'm going to pick more on another side of the business here that you're not in, but let's use it as an example because it's important. A lot of people not necessarily i'm going to pick more on another side of the business here that you're not in but let's use it as an example because it's important a lot of people who are in personal management meaning like outside the labels and stuff the labels are a separate thing and there's plenty of issues you're talking just managers that manage independent artists that are just running around out here or no regular signed artists and shit like that are just managing yeah yeah like they're never label guys so yeah they're just the they're the personal family guys that are part of your family the artists could be athletes right there is a heavy coefficient of scumbaggery in that industry of people who are they're leeches they're fucking rats they fucking hang on the star fuckers they

want and and they tell them everything and then they latch on they leech off they suck off the blood and they get all the money and they don't give a fuck about you they only care about your star power and whatever when you see people like that they give a bad name to every apple in the basket right and actually it might work out for you because enough people who are in the know who are in it who actually pay your bills will know that so it works out right you're a guy who doesn't care about opinions so you probably wouldn't give a fuck but i'm saying in the court of public opinion people will still question things what is public opinion and what is that and that's wait can you explain that to me what public opinion is what does that mean such a good question what the fuck is public opinion why if i tell you

join get a join take off the hat bro i don't fuck with it. What, are you going to take it off, bro? No. What the fuck is public opinion, bro? People, I don't mean to toot our own horn here, but people like you and me who have demonstrated public abilities, like demonstrated with evidence, to not really give a fuck, are rare these days.

Of course. They shouldn't be though and in the context of business it can cost some people including people like us who are like that because the masses are trained to think what the mass is supposed to think and so they put this is getting deep but they put an attitude on something that doesn't really exist and they hate on success they hate on things right so when you see industries that have a level of scumbaggery and it's true yeah like when i'm talking about personal management which again is it's a little bit of a left turn from what you're what you're building here but it's in the same you know it's a cousin of what you're doing right there and i've seen examples of this man of course you want to

talk about people who walk up to tables and act like they know everyone find someone in that industry one of my closest friends my fucking brother chas servino is in that industry he's one of the best people i've ever known in my life and the thing about the athletes and influencers that he's worked with is they're always stunned that he exists which is very sad right because he he genuinely is like the sweetest person of all time he doesn't know how to be a dick right which people who played against him in high school and college and football would not believe but that's the thing i've looked into him a little bit i see what you're saying i respect that he was a dog yeah like but he's like yo we

don't talk about that right something happened between the lines right he lives his life to like never be like that right but he still has to work past that mo when he's developing relationships with people because they assume and they go oh wait it's this industry he's gonna be like that because everyone he's competing against is fucking like that yeah and we've seen it even in business that he's lost before like where someone else gets it he ends up getting that business or having the guy come back like yo i'm sorry man i fucked up that guy's an asshole because they one example I'm thinking of, they burned a bridge with somebody,

pretty powerful guy, very powerful guy, who had a nice, nice table with some important people at a very big Super Bowl party a couple years ago in Miami. And they walked up to the table, this is six months after burning the bridge,

going, yo, we know so-and-so. That type of guy, manager, with the players, with the players he manages. Yo, we know so-and- that type of guy manager with the with the players with the players he manages yo we know so and so he'll let us here and then so and so happened to walk up so i'm sorry did you just say you know me right get the fuck away from you know what i mean right people are like that bro because you need to see something with that bro it's everything i do every day is to build my reputation Yes That's my business bro So when you got dudes that you're saying certain industries require this certain it no bro

You are your industry. You are your boss You as an og as a boss yourself No matter what industry you go to people know you for you Not oh you see that's something that i want to dismiss as well i want to dismiss all that shit is bro you got dudes like you said who they'll hop into bro you right i've known you you've talked forever since i was a little kid i just remember you being the best talker man you could just speak you're just conversationalist you know what i'm saying

that is something so rare nowadays bro of course bro i like to think i listen pretty good too that's one of the best one of the best bro seriously one of the best you mean that do i mean that bro you're on episode 51 bro you're on episode 50 51 i'll be in my 52 52 ah bro i'll show you 50 i'll show you the start of the new year. Sorry, pal. Fuck it, bro. Nico got that. Shout out to Nico. That's a good second place.

Yeah. Honestly, I'm grateful and I'm honored to be after Nico. So, thank you. And I'm grateful and honored to be after guys like Riley, guys like Anthony Finu, guys like Giovanni Gussinin who feel the same way as me not to the t but i could say that i feel the same way as them actually i won't speak on them giovanni just laughed his ass off and went no he still gets it right go fuck you oh no he's right okay right yeah i thought you were going somewhere else with that. But music is my outlet to give my message. It's something I'm in love with, you know?

My brother, for an example, he is going to be a global phenom, bro. Can I play that cut? Yeah, for sure. Play this, bro. I want everybody to hear this, bro. This is some unreleased work we have right here. This is the next track we're coming out with. We just did the collaboration with Madhouse Records in Greecereece one of the biggest labels in greece right now we dropped the track on

their album we're running that up that's it like one album on their album they just dropped so madhouse records did a they did a a joint album where it's all their producers and they put artists on there that they want to sign. So they put upcoming artists. So we just dropped that. We're up there in the leaderboards. We're going to run that up because that's what we do. So on top of that, this is the next single we're dropping. We're shooting all this shit in Greece this summer.

We're going in one month in July. So I want you all to hear this. This is a global fucking... This is an example of an artist who thinks outside of the box. Thinks outside of the box. How so? Through knowledge, man. Through research.

Through self-opinion. If you hear any of my brother's shit, bro, it is literally how he's feeling in his moment. The lyrics. Yes. I know that's very stereotypical. It is. Bro, that's cat, bro bro i don't give a fuck bro anyone bro everyone shits cat bro what what's what what's what's like what's that to me no no no

no not that i want to know like has his process changed over the years like his creative process never bro this is just what he does my brother brother has songs on YouTube. How does he make a song? Like, what drives it? So what drives it is, okay, he put out a track on that album called Fell in Love. I fell in love, I fell in love with the drugs. You know what I'm saying? I'm feeling stuck and you ain't there to pick me up. You feel me? Dude, originally, bro, someone might hear that.

Oh, wow, this dude's a fucking crap. You know what I'm saying? Holy shit. Yeah. Bro, I'm listening to that shit i'm saying damn bro these past couple months i've been so invested in myself i've been so invested in in bringing us up to get like you know i'm saying just bringing us up but i forgot to invest my time in my brother bro you know what i'm saying i forgot to put my all into my little bro i've been so focused on our future that i forgot our present because he's talking about his present problems and right bro and i'm now realizing to myself damn bro my little bro put that track out because he's feeling like i want to stay with

this yeah he's feeling like i ain't there with him you know what i'm saying he's feeling like damn bro this bull g l yo what's he you know I'm saying because as a young bull when you bro All right, fuck it. Yo as an OG when you Bro, when you put the smallest bit of effort into someone and it's your family and you build them up to a certain point And don't get me wrong, bro. My brother's a fucking for not bro. Just a superstar, bro He could have got there on his own. I just pushed it way faster than he would have got there on his own so when you do that for somebody and you're still not there though yet he's getting there bro he dude like you see so the get in there explain to me what getting there is to you

what do you mean by getting there you're not drake you're not the weekend you're not hold on hold on I'll keep I'll keep going you're not i won't even use names you're not a guy who has let's say seven figure fans around the world and is fully self-sufficient as an artist you are the level there's like two or three levels that exist below that where you have some legitimacy in different and varying opinions and he's in one of those three levels we could set we could all right let's just put the cap on it there just for today's purpose for the pot but like getting there to me is is is my brother's children my i'm watching my brother's grandchildren his

grandchildren you know what i'm saying i'm watching them put on for the world bro i'm watching them do what they want to do his grandchildren not his children his grandchildren because of the self-sufficiency that he created within the family and by the way that unlocks a whole nother thing right which is a very common quote i think who said this originally i'm gonna definitely get this wrong but i want to say it was like teddy roosevelt said this but it was like i don't know about those the son that the son of a of a very rich man is often never a real rich man or something like you know what i mean i believe that i see that's an interesting thing about generational right because and and by the way also what's interesting is like your dad for example came here and

Worked his way into that as you're growing up. Yes, you didn't grow up with a fucking gold spoon in your mouth No, I have to jump off the a oh, but the goal. Yes. Okay You didn't worry about you didn't have to worry about meals at all Like he had he had he had done well for himself, right? You weren't a fucking trust fund baby when you were born No There are people in this world And if you were born now you could be There were people in this world

There are a lot of people in this world Who were born into that And it is very hard That is an environment thing It is very hard to instill that In an environment where you then become self sufficient And want to grow We didn't play that Oh dude didn't play that, no.

Oh, dude, run that up, bro. Run that up, bro. I can't believe that. All right, here we go. We'll see you next time. Thanks for coming in, my dude. You already know, right? Yes, sir. Everybody else, you know what it is. Ports.

Give it a thought. You feel me? I wasn't going to say that, but give it a thought. Give it back to me. Thanks. Butterflies I love my holes No lower than a nine