Julian Dorey Podcast - #60 - Will "Jewish Sauce Boss" Edelstein: MEDICAL MARIJUANA, THE LEGALIZE WEED DEBATE; THE LEGAL HISTORY OF MARIJUANA; THE CANNABIS INDUSTRY'S FUTURE; PTSD PATIENTS' MDMA & PSILOCYBIN MUSHROOMS USE

Episode Date: August 11, 2021

Will Edelstein aka “Jewish Sauce Boss” is a Medical Marijuana and Cannabis Expert, Advocate, and Consultant. His company, Jewish Sauce Boss, has two main services: Cannabis Education and Medical Marijuana Card Procurement for Medical Marijuana patients across Pennsylvania. ***TIMESTAMPS*** 5:56 - How Will “Jewish Sauce Boss” Edelstein got into Marijuana; The lack of a level playing field in having to advocate for weed when alcohol doesn’t have same requirement; The Endocannabinoid System; CBD & THC counter activity; Harry Anslinger and the origins of anti-weed propaganda 24:22 - Schedule 1 and Schedule 2 Drugs; Why we’re still far off normalization and mass adoption of legalized weed; Government Lobbyist problems preventing Marijuana Legalization; CBD Drinks; Medical Marijuana cards in Pennsylvania; Requirements to become a Medical Marijuana doctor 49:27 - Federal Law vs State Law for Marijuana; The racial problems with Marijuana laws; NJ Weed Man and his dispensary in Trenton 1:15:59 - Alcohol companies’ direct investment into Cannabis; Will talks about his previous life working in the Casino Business; The health questions surrounding smoking weed; Marijuana DUI Discussion 1:35:39 - The Black Market dangers and Fentanyl; Discussing Joe Rogan Experience #1379 and author Ben Westhoff’s book, Fentanyl, Inc.; Corporations & Marijuana; The problem with banning things like Marijuana in society; Black Market Supply Chain Problems across different Drugs; The Hamas - Cocaine Story from Politico 1:53:09 - The hypocrisy behind ShaCarri Richardson’s Olympic ban for a positive Marijuana test; Will tells a story about a positive Marijuana test in his first job; Julian tells a story about the time he got caught with a Fake ID in college; Will talks about his mom’s work as an inner city school teacher for 30 years; The balance of personal responsibility and society's responsibility to help underserved communities 2:29:14 - Steve Jobs changed everything; The rise of MDMA & Psilocybin Mushrooms; Rampant Cocaine use across society 2:47:19 - Psychedelic Legalization debate; The use of drugs to treat severe mental health problems ~ YouTube EPISODES & CLIPS: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0A-v_DL-h76F75xik8h03Q  ~ Get $100 Off The Eight Sleep Pod Pro Mattress / Mattress Cover: https://eight-sleep.ioym.net/trendifier  Julian's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/julianddorey  ~ Beat provided by: https://freebeats.io  Music Produced b... Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

It won't take long to tell you Neutral's ingredients. Vodka, soda, natural flavors. So, what should we talk about? No sugar added? Neutral. Refreshingly simple. And I know people who have storefronts already, who are selling weed like it's legal, because it is.

But they don't have a government. They don't have a license. There's someone across the street in Trenton from City Hall that has a dispensary. His name's N.J. Weedman, and he just does his thing. I've been there, and I bought weed from him, and it was good. What's cooking everybody i am joined in the bunker today by the jewish sauce boss aka mr will edelstein now you are probably asking yourself who is the jewish sauce boss well in addition to that being the nickname of mr. Edelstein over here, it is also the name of his company, which operates out of Pennsylvania and connects

medical marijuana patients with medical marijuana doctors to get their medical marijuana cards and follow all of the legislation correctly as Pennsylvania does now allow medical marijuana patients to medicate on marijuana. How many times did i just say marijuana a lot that was good for keywords anyway i wanted to bring in will because number one famous dill from number 56 recommended him and i heard the name and i'm like i gotta talk to that guy so thank you dill amazing recommendation but i wanted to bring in will because he is an expert not just on the cannabis industry but on marijuana itself on the plant on the use cases on the history on the cannabis industry, but on marijuana itself, on the plant, on the use cases, on the history, on the legislation, on everything. And he is an advocate for its legalization, which I agree with, but it also gave me the opportunity to play as much devil's advocate

as possible. And so what I tried to do is even though I agree with Will's positions and how he articulated his answers today, I agree with them even more in many cases. I tried to poke holes in the argument where I could as if I were somebody who is against legalization. So I hope I did a good enough job, but I thought Will was awesome. Minus like a couple rabbit holes I might have sent him down. Like I think he had a chance to directly answer pretty much everything so i will leave it to you guys to draw your own conclusions as i've often said before and i will say throughout the future i don't want you to just automatically agree with things in here if you enjoy the show i love that you enjoy the show but i encourage you guys to think about complicated topics like this for yourself listen to the arguments presented listen to what's good what's bad and then make your own conclusion on it and so we'll talk about this more down the line with other guests it's it's a very very important topic in my opinion and it's a complicated one and it has a lot of consequences in a good and bad way no matter what no matter what where this

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it to them. You know, let's see if we can add them to the community here. So thank you to everyone once again, who's done that. It's amazing. Let's keep it rolling. That said, you know what it is. I'm Julian Dory, and this is Drain the Fire. Let's go. This is one of the great questions in our culture. Where's the news? You're giving opinions and calling them facts. You feel me? Everyone understands this, but few seem to do it.

If you don't like the status quo, start asking questions. Something I love the most is cannabis. You know, I wanted to help people and solve problems. So I've been able to do it through this vehicle that I've, you know, called Jewish Sauce Boss. Yeah. And I want to get to that today, but I want to lay a lot of groundwork with this because you're an industry expert. You know, you know your shit about what's going on and i think at this point if you haven't seen what's happening here with things loosening up across states and stuff like that and the fact that it's become much more mainstream and a lot of the myths around marijuana are starting to get dispelled across even like older

generations you know it's still like a wild wild west and a lot of people are like well what's going on what's the difference between medical and like what are these companies in canada growing stuff so i want to like touch on all that today but to start when did you get into it and like i hear you talk in in the original answer you were given right there about your name you you know, you're connecting a lot of things to like your spirituality and some meta stuff that clearly like cannabis has had that effect on you. So I'm just curious, like what the story is for you. So for me, my relationship with cannabis, you know, really, I would say went up a notch when I was around 18 19 you know i was at school and started to feel that pressure of of

life and you know what the hell you're gonna do with your life what am i doing here in college what am i gonna do like i don't know like all this crazy so cannabis for me became this this tool this this mechanism to to have a sense of calm within myself. And then I really started to try to understand why this was helping me, even at a young age. So I would say I got so interested in it, I gave a speech in college on the decriminalization of cannabis in 2010 or 2011. Wow. Right in that area.

And even my teacher at the time she was intrigued by the topic but she had some trepidation about the topic as well because you know not many people were talking about it it's very misunderstood it's it's not something that was a social norm by any means at that at. No one talked about cannabis. No one talked about marijuana. No one talked about weed in the way that I was looking to do it. So at the end of the day, her one caveat with that topic was to make sure that I took it very seriously and that it wasn't to make people laugh and all of these things. And the one thing I said to her, I remember saying to her,

was I'm not responsible for the level of maturity of the audience that I'm going to deliver my speech to because they're not in the same mindset as me of what this plant can actually do. Wow. And I remember there was one slide. There was one slide in the presentation that it just came up and the whole class just broke up laughing.

And it was, what are names of weed? Like what are all the names of marijuana? And it was a valid point. It's funny. Yeah. It's funny. Any good speech, there's an essence of something to break it down and make it a little funny so when you can get through calling it weed and the devil's lettuce all this

that's been i don't know if i can curse on here no you can say whatever the you want all right cool all the stuff that it's been called it was like no one in the class was ever ready for that so they just laughed and you know laughing is usually a result of just you know not knowing what to do and if you know they just you know laughed and then after the speech was over after the class left she was like you know she's talking to me and she's like it was good but i told you not to make the blah blah laugh and i and then i said to her again i was like it's not my fault that they're not mature enough to see a slide with weed and cannabis and all this stuff on there and different names and picture of the plant. It's not my fault they're not mature enough for that information.

And sometimes I still feel that today in this exact moment. Right. Because, you know, a lot of times you start talking about cannabis you start talking about marijuana you start talking about medical marijuana and people just like they want to be cool and then they'll say something that they don't know they don't know what to do they don't know what this they don't have the information they don't have the knowledge they don't have the experience they don't have the relationship with the plant. So for me, I've been interested in this for forever, you know, since I really got into understanding how it was improving the quality of my life and

became a part of my life. And I wanted to share that information even at that point. I think people jump to the same conclusions that your teacher was a decade ago. it's like you look at alcohol which is a natural foil for weed that's always been that's been a part of history everywhere right like it's besides 11 years where we were dumb for five minutes and and outlawed it which was you know the crime that arose from that neither here nor there but that was very stupid but other than that that's always been like a thing like people go out and get drunk and technically alcohol is a poison you can drink enough to die and at some point here you know 1937 and 1970 moreover like what happened in the supreme courts and stuff we built in and ingrained in society that weed is drug it's bad and it's different than alcohol which got built into me as well for a long time and then i you know i still want to yeah right so i still

wanted to do it but i was like all right well this is a drug and what we've started to see now is that the benefits that can come from it are so strong and you see all kinds you see little old ladies using cbd oil and stuff you know which isn't weed but you know what i mean like same idea and so even though we've gotten a lot of that people still put that whole image on it like oh yeah that's like a that's a taboo type thing to be in and they start to label you like oh that's someone who is just trying to justify their own use of the substance and i think what's really a shame is that guys like you who have to go do this stuff you have to spread the word you have to put the knowledge out you're doing it for something that is on a the same

playing field as alcohol to me as far as like if you're going to use it as a pure vice i'm not talking about the benefits i'm talking just a pure advice but yet you don't see people out there having a hock for alcohol you don't see like amstel light executives going around saying here's why you need alcohol in your life it's just accepted so it's like you're constantly playing from behind and something that you never should have been behind them exactly exactly well you touched on a couple points right so the prohibition is unique in in the sense that what you know cannabis was part of people's medicine cabinets up until that time frame you spoke of like the early you know 1920s 1930s when they start to really demonize cannabis users and

consumers and and the reason that this all took place was purely because of racism. And so to teach on something right now, if some of the listeners don't know this history, there was someone named Harry Anslinger. You can even look this up if you wanted to. Harry Anslinger was the head of, I believe, like the first, you know, narcotics unit. It was like the Drug Enforcement Agency, but it's called something different back then. Yeah, it's escaping me. But the man's name was Harry Anslinger. It was in the 1930s.

And he found a way to ruin people's lives, lock them up up put them in jail and if you can't do that purely because of someone's skin color or purely because you don't like what someone does or looks like you start to think about how do I keep these people locked up how do I ruin these people's lives so you criminalize their habits and behaviors so they realized that a lot of people such as musicians Mexicans you know African Americans a lot of people in those cultures consumed cannabis and there is crazy shit that this man said along with a lot of other leaders and various agencies and regulatory bodies and senators and all that stuff that set the tone for the racist laws that were put in place because and still right now a black person or a brown person or someone who's low income is four to five times more likely to get locked up for cannabis than a white guy. And it's just sad.

It's just so stupid. We have all these people rotting away in jail, 40,000 plus nonviolent cannabis offenders in jail. That's crazy, man. It makes me sad and sick inside. And you can't do anything, right? There's nothing anyone can do until more people begin to understand that criminalizing demonizing stigmatizing prohibiting a plant does nothing but hurt the communities that you're doing this to yes when you allow for cannabis to be legalized and for people to be educated and for people to

be open and inviting and showing them and doing all of these things can really change the game because a lot of people as you see right now where we're at in life and this moment in history i mean mental health is is is is at a all-time breaking point for many people. And if you go to a doctor, and your doctor, which, by the way, is not required in medical school to learn about what is called the endocannabinoid system, which is within everyone's body, just like we have a respiratory system an immune system there's a system within our body called the endocannabinoid system i don't know anything about this actually well i'm excited that it's been brought up so the endocannabinoid system is

here to regulate the body back to a balanced point so we have within our body across our entire body receptors to receive cannabis which is why there's all these different consumption methods that you see now whether it's a cream a vape pen smoking it dabbing it there's patches there's mints there's edibles there's tinctures there's tinctures, there's probably a new consumption method being created right now by some smart human being. So the endocannabinoid system is usually deficient in most people where they don't receive cannabinoids or they're just sick, they don't understand this system. They've never been taught about it. They've never been educated about it. And that's where a lot of people are getting

benefit from a CBD product who've never used cannabis, never smoked weed, never been into that type of a lifestyle. It's because they've never been able to use a product that is cannabis. Whatever you want to say, hemp, cannabis, the plant is the same. It's a cannabis plant. It's just the amount of certain cannabinoids within the plant that has been made legal or illegal in the eyes of the federal government. Okay. I want to make sure we understand this because there's details to this there's a lot here yeah yeah i want to unpack this as we're going along so two questions to start number one did they come up with the name the endo and i have it behind us

the endocannabinoid system based on the existence of cannabis already and they named it because it has receptors that interact with that plant number one and number two you know we throw around the terms all the time i do too and half the time i gotta like check myself on whether i know what i'm talking about but we say like cannabis we say thc we say you talked about like with cbd and how much and and what then gets you a high or what doesn't so when you're talking about like what you just mentioned with how much is in there and how they regulate it, can you just touch on the high end

of that and like what the current setup is maybe at the federal level? Yeah. So, I mean, so the endocannabinoid system, the nomenclature and who created that name, I don't know exactly, but I will say there is a scientist named Raphael Meshulam who is from Israel. And he is the scientist that discovered THC within the cannabis plant and recognized that THC was the cannabinoid that was generating all of the effects that people were deriving value from. So that was, I believe, in the 60s, maybe 1964. And that is another huge reason, you know, the tie in back to the name, right? Israel's been a huge leader of research for cannabis. That scientist has done an amazing job explaining that plant, talking about that plant, and showing the world its benefits.

But the endocannabinoid system, the naming of it, I'm not sure. But we've had, there's systems in our bodies, it's evolution. It's just like every other system that's evolved through time. And we have in our brain two receptors, a CB1 and a CB2 receptor. These receptors require cannabinoids to help them regulate the body. And, you know, you can look these up and study this stuff because it's really scientific. It's really direct. The endocannabinoid system is a vast system that runs through the body. The CB1 receptor, the CB2 receptor, the cannabinoids bind to these receptors. And if you're feeling pain and you use a product with THC, the THC is going to really help with that pain.

And it's going to help hit that pain quickly and mitigate the pain, which is why people go to sometimes a higher thc product who have chronic pain doesn't doesn't cbd and maybe i'm jumping around a little bit so apologies if i but doesn't cbd like counteract thc as well but it comes it comes from the same thing so if so for example like if you got too high or you too medicated a good way to help counterbalance that if you want to try to come down would be a high dose of CBD and a good way for that would be you know a tincture under the tongue because that's a pretty quick absorption method to tincture tincture yeah you know it's like a little vial you twist off the top

pinch the top pulls the liquid up and you drop it under your tongue it's a great method um works for a lot of people who don't like to smoke who want to be discreet and uh you know it has a usually like a quick onset and a you know decent lasting effect um and and there's products at dispensaries that you can get to tincture, whatever it is, right? But I guess to touch on the main question is like the federal prohibition of cannabis is really unique because, you know, we had a farm bill get passed in 2018 for hemp and that's allowing a threshold of 0.3 percent thc or less how do you control that testing lab testing so the farmers have to have labs and test the farmers are required

anyone who's producing or manufacturing a product that has a hemp derivative, and that's what I mean. This goes deep. So when you have CBD, you have a full spectrum product, which would have that small threshold of THC. You have a broad spectrum, which has cannabids and and usually does not have any thc you have isolated products where they only have cbd no other cannabinoids so for me it's like it's a lot of you gotta look you gotta you gotta test you gotta you gotta say is what i'm doing right now working for me if i'm not feeling well well what's bothering you what's going on with you what are you experiencing what are you trying to change

because this plant affects everyone differently right you and i could use the same product go to a dispensary and they say it's a sativa and it's supposed to make you euphoric and uplifting and energetic and all of these things but then if you want to go further and understand that the effects have a lot to do with what are called terpenes and terpenes are the flavor and aroma of the plant there's terpenes and cannabinoids the combination of those two things are really what give you your effects so if you want to buy something purely based off thc percentage you might be misguided because that sativa that's a high thc percentage might have some terpenes in there that would make you a little tired a little little sedated might make you you know fall asleep and that other product if someone else uses it could have the exact opposite effect which is why

we need the research which is why we need the federal government to take cannabis out of its schedule one status that's the number one problem with cannabis is that that's a Schedule 1 drug. And for people like we say that, what does that mean? Schedule 1, it means that a product has no medicinal value and a high potential for abuse. The products, or excuse me, the drugs in that classification are cannabis, marijuana, magic mushrooms, LSD, and heroin. Okay? We're seeing right now, that's not true. That's not true.

So if the federal government's telling us that, and then that's what a Schedule I drug means, why is there... They don't have cocaine in there? Cocaine's a Schedule II. Come on. I didn't even know that. You want to know what else is Schedule II? Why is there... They don't have cocaine in there? Cocaine's a Schedule II. Come on. I didn't even know that.

You want to know what else is Schedule II? Fentanyl. Come on. Because fentanyl and cocaine are used in certain areas of medicine. Well, I guess that is technically right, but they are... So, all right. Yeah, I had that. It hurts your head when you start to think. Yeah, I had that it's it hurts your head when you start to think yeah i i had that completely wrong i thought i thought they were all schedule one because we've seen and we'll get to

there's so many things to unpack here holy shit yeah yeah but like we're seeing a big movement with psilocybin mushrooms we're seeing it with mdma as a as a form of therapy for people with ptsd among other things and you, whenever I'm looking at this stuff, like I look at that a little differently than marijuana because there's more aspects to it. Whereas to me, marijuana is pretty straightforward. It is a plant that was put here for us, evolution, whatever. And like, it makes sense.

The other things we have to look at, well, how much abuse can happen. And there's also a lot of misinformation around that you know we talk about addictiveness to things there are some people who get that no matter what you can get that with anything 100 you know so looking at like schedule one because we we throw around these terms and obviously like i'm throwing it around i don't even know that some of these aren't on there i guess that makes sense in the sense that people i know fentanyl in small doses is used in hospitals along with like i don't think they use pure cocaine but they use like cocaine is usually a numbing agent in dentistry yeah or like not the not cocaine but

like some form of that there's something there that derivative that allows it to be in schedule too because there's i guess some and some, in their perspective, medical value. But this is interesting because the Schedule 1 thing, as you said, is at the federal level. And so... And I'll say it again. The fact that cannabis is a Schedule 1 drug is the number one reason why there's a shitload of problems in the legal industry, in the traditional market, which some people call the black market, legacy market, whatever people want to call it. I like legacy. Legacy is cool. remove the schedule of cannabis and more so de-schedule the drug, removing it from a schedule

of a drug by all means, like alcohol and tobacco are not a scheduled drug. But those are two vices that kill a lot of people every year. And there's no medical value for tobacco as far as I'm concerned I don't think there's any medical value for alcohol unless you're gonna rub some alcohol on a cut I don't know maybe that better be some Everclear but yeah but um but ultimately at the end of the day we just have to smarten up you know we all have to smarten up when it comes to a lot of the things we're discussing. You know, we're talking about a plant. And if you were to take every senator and every politician and have an intimate conversation like we're having without the cameras on and the microphones and the lights, they would all say, yeah, well, I would legalize

cannabis tomorrow. But the fact is, cannabis isn't represented in society well enough to serve the politicians that make decisions for the industries that are thriving, that are stifling cannabis legalization, such as some of the alcohol industry, such as some of the alcohol industry such as some of the private prison industry such as some of the pharmaceutical industry and the list goes on and on and on i'm glad you clarified that because my question was going to be it's not so much it doesn't have representation it's the existing legacy systems that have banded together more representation and more moolah it's the it's so basically it really is the political arm to where cannabis doesn't have the respect when you're sitting at the table discussing issues no one is caring about cannabis and that's where we'll hopefully see some change there's there's

groups coming together um there's there's a group i'm a part of called the cannabis action project which has a lot of smart people coming together that are looking to discuss and change and advocate and fight for these these issues that are really plaguing the cannabis industry as a whole because we can all agree that changing the scheduling of cannabis is beneficial to everyone it's beneficial to everyone that is involved except for the people that benefit from it not changing it also doesn't like the literal definite if we're going to go off that the literal definition as you put it which is is a drug that has no medical benefit that defines a schedule high potential for abuse if you're going to argue that i'll even agree with

you that you could make like a cocaine and fentanyl schedule too because technically as much of a slippery slope especially with fentanyl that that is technically that's true but then i mean it's like it's embarrassing that you have weed as as a schedule one when it's literally always been used for medicinal purposes throughout human history let alone like the last 10 years yeah if you go to like i think it's called like it's the pharmacopoeia book of like the early 1900s maybe the late 1800s you'll see cannabis being talked in there as medicine along with there was cocaine extra there was a lot of weird things that well maybe not weird maybe things that we would look at as weird now and they were looking at as ways to help people

and try and make them well and heal them and find ways that weren't available yet. But ultimately, we've just demonized a plant that needs to be set free. Without full freedom of this plant, without being able to grow it at your house, without being able to smoke it in your backyard and not care and not worry about anything and not think that the FBI is going to come banging on your door. Like half the time people use cannabis and have a negative experience because they've been programmed their entire life to be fearful of this plant. And when they finally take that step, you know, maybe live life on the edge and take a hit they actually experience what cannabis does which is take a deep dive into yourself and if you don't fucking like yourself you might have a panic attack you might have an anxiety attack you might

not like what you discover about yourself because that sometimes is some scary shit and the fact that cannabis is considered by the federal government that tells you to do a lot of things but when i'm trying to fight for a plant and tell people to use cannabis and put cannabis in your body and it's like what like i don't know it's very hard it's a it's really a hard position to be in because you have to advocate it's non-stop that's why like i talk about working out that's why i talk about being active that's why i show myself smoking weed and going to the gym that's why i just put out the content that i, which hopefully sparks change or sparks a conversation or make someone question something or think about something differently. And that's all I really want, you know, at the end of the day is because I know cannabis benefits

my life. I've been able to help thousands of people enhance their life through this plant, through the platform and the brand that I've created. And there's no one who can tell me otherwise. I've seen it. I've experienced it. I've watched it happen. I've had the feedback from people. But until it changes in the eyes of the federal government, until we remove it from a Schedule 1,

until cannabis companies can bank their money, until cannabis companies can accept credit cards and debit cards just like any other business we're a long ways away from any sort of normalization for this plant it's vet we're we're very very far from it we're so far we're in New Jersey it's illegal here but you can't grow your own weed at home that's not illegal follow the money man it's crazy yeah it all comes back to that yeah and and and and that's why i'm hoping to stay here in this role and focus it in the vehicle that i've built for jewish sauce boss to do the things i want to do to to let people know that you don't need to smoke weed every day, but you can utilize cannabis into your life to improve the quality of it through many use cases. This goes back to one of the first things I posed to you at the very beginning where I was talking

about how guys like you are in the unfortunate position of having to advocate for something which is not a level playing field with existing accepted vices like like alcohol and things like that and one of the precarious positions it puts you in is not just the whole idea like oh well he's a stoner you know of course he wants to do it it's like and i'm talking about like people who just immediately put up a wall like with an attitude like that it's also you're trying to encourage it which i think also the use cases are great i think it's been scientifically demonstrated for that but with anything i don't care what it is as long as it is not like food that you have to eat to

survive people decide what to put in their own body right and they want like the ideal the ideal that all of us would dream of if we knew anything the day we were born is that we never have to put a single thing inside of us, which is not possible. It's not realistic. But, you know, there's a lot of people who would push back, like, maybe from the older school generations and say, well, why do you have to get everyone to do it? You know, why are you trying to encourage everyone to do it? If they don't want to do it, don't let them do it. I think that if you can balance the line of hey here's all the benefits i do it i'm cool whatever you do just don't like don't judge the people doing it a lot of us do and

it's and it's helpful and here's why that's the message that to me when i've seen older people get sold on it that's how they're getting sold when people aren't so much like in their face about it like you gotta do it you gotta do it they're more just like hey it helps yeah i think that's normal it is it's kind of medically proven if i'll direct you to where you know you can see what the benefits are and then over time people make a decision for themselves and i think like if we do more of that then we'll get there faster the whole money and government situation aside which is we'll get i want to get to more of that but that's that's a very real thing it's yeah i mean it's it the the cannabis plant the cannabis industry the the entire the entire thing is just you need to educate people you need to educate

on everything you need to educate people i mean i was just talking to someone about this i host events every wednesday in philadelphia in center city on a roof deck it's some it's an amazing experience it's every we've been doing it every week for almost five weeks. And it's the only venue in Philadelphia that I'm aware of that's friendly to the medical marijuana patient. And what we do is we invite anyone and everyone from the community to come out. We're not charging you to come in. We're encouraging you to buy a drink from the bar and you know buy some food and you know bring your own medicine and you can medicate on the deck b-y-o-w baby exactly and you know something we're realizing is the world just doesn't know

well like like they're like what people are like what are you what is it what can i i can i can i can medicate there i can i can i can bring my medicine there there'll be other met patients there doing this yes yes yes yes and yes again how many people have you gotten to these things? We've been, I'd say, 20 to 40 coming out since the third week of July. So I'd say we're on our fourth or fifth event, given the times that we're in and everyone's level of comfort participating in events. We're having a good turnout. And, and what we're looking to do is, like you said, right? Bring the community together. If you are someone who doesn't use cannabis, but you like to enjoy a good atmosphere, and maybe your, your friend does, or your girlfriend does, or whatever it might be, we want someone who can drink a beer and stand next to

someone who doesn't drink a beer and prefers to smoke a joint and have a conversation with that person and and for them to understand that they're both looking to adjust their vibration and their frequency by consuming something that's what we all do when we go to a wedding or go to an event. Most people run to the bar, grab their drink so they can loosen up and change the vibration within them to get on the dance floor, to have fun, to get the jitters out, to do whatever.

We're doing the same thing at our events. We're not like demonizing it. We're not doing this. We're not saying, oh, you don't smoke, you can't come, or you're not like demonizing it we're not doing this we're not saying oh you don't smoke you can't come or you're not a patient you can't no we're building a community and the cannabis consumer should be able to hang out with the person who likes to drink weed or excuse me well someday you know where my head's at like speaking up you can drink weed and that's actually like a really cool thing because there's a ton of consume that's one of the consumption methods i might have not mentioned earlier does

any of it taste good drinks yes does any of it taste good yes because there was one there was one that a friend of mine had i think i took a sip of it and i don't think it was like a pure i may be remembering wrong but it was pretty garbage were you were you in new jersey or where were you i think it was in jersey it was a couple years ago yeah it probably wasn't that good a couple years ago but um yeah there's there's i mean there's brands that make really good cannabis beverages and cannabis beverages will be a a huge huge market it's already a huge market there's there's a couple brands that are standing out right now um you know one i could think of is is can c-a-a-n um you can check those guys out they're in some there's some legal

markets and and really what that is right it's a low dose of thc in a drink in a drink form. Because a lot of people like to, like we just kind of referred to, get into the moment or experience by having a drink. And the intersection of health and wellness, as we've talked about alcohol as a depressant, doesn't really have too much benefit for you. People might want to start opting for a different drink of choice that can make them feel a certain way or a desired effect without the effects of alcohol that a lot of people don't like or are growing old of or it's just they're kind of changing their habits and behaviors and that's where you're going to see businesses and entrepreneurs and and and and the like start to cater to the markets that that are are gonna you know come come to the surface but

you know a friend of mine has a great drink company. It's called it's called juice joint. And he does all kinds of juices. And, you know, does CBD delta a, you know, he'll, he'll do THC if he's in that market. And, you know, he's told me he's like the drink markets, it's massive, you know, a lot of people want to grow the best weed or smoke weed or do this or that. But it just depends on what you're looking for within this plant. So whether I can talk on it from a medicinal point of view, from a lifestyle point of view, from putting people together and educating them on you know how to consume why to consume how to get your medical marijuana certification i mean we do a lot and and

sometimes there's so much to do in this space you know as someone like me who's a business person who's building a brand who's who's focused on this thing that they've created you can get so diluted with what's happening in in the industry and want to try to do it all and like i'm i'm victim of that all the time. Like, I feel like I can do everything. I can't, I totally can't, but I can do, I want to do everything within my ability to create the changes I want to see. But like I said, there's so much to learn. So that's why it's like, if you're interested in this topic and you're like a college kid and you're in college, you're rolling a blunt right now. And you're like, wait a second.

I could like, like be in this industry. Hell yeah, you could be in this industry. It's one of the fastest growing industries in the world. It's employing hundreds and hundreds of thousands of people. They're projecting this industry to be 30 billion by 2030. I don't know. A few billion. handful of billions yeah yeah I mean you're seeing billion dollar acquisitions and and and companies buying each other up and it's like it's absolutely a wild place to be and I just feel incredibly grateful to be in this moment to be four years into my journey with this brand and to do what we do every day.

We put out content and information every day. One of our main platforms is Instagram. You know, so follow us at Jewish Sauce Boss. And we talk about a lot of different shit. You know, like I have a mantra I say every morning and I say it to the world. I say it to the people who want to check out the shit I put out to the world. And it's to remind me of the simple things. And it's just all the stuff I want to do every day and remind myself and do it.

And the biggest thing people have resonated with is one thing I say is, don't be a fucking asshole. Every day, don't be a fucking asshole like every day don't be a fucking asshole it's such an easy thing to say but it's such a hard thing to do like even I catch myself I'm like oh in my head like don't be a fucking asshole don't do it you know like it's like weaving in multiple things to it like you're not just out here promoting cannabis because it's got the medical benefits and all that it's like well you put a personality behind it too you put

a belief system behind it too and it all happens to blend together because it's a part of your business and your business a big part of it involves spreading correct information and educating people exactly and you know, Jewish Sauce Boss is our brand. We have two websites, jewishsauceboss.com. And then we have a hyper-focused platform to get you your medical marijuana card in Pennsylvania for now. And we have every resource available. So anyone in Pennsylvania can go to our website, have a seamless experience. Everything's online. Everything's telemedicine. You apply, you schedule, you book your appointment. We even have a pre-qualification tab to make sure you have all the information you need before going through the

process. Do you hook people up with doctors? Yes. So we're an intuitive, convenient service that bridges the connection between physician and our clients who become a medical marijuana patient so you have like i want to say this right and i say wrong you have physicians that you're specifically partnered with yes who are firm believers and okay so in pennsylvania to be a doctor that record it's a it's a recommendation it's not a prescription that that's a very important distinction here what does that mean the doctor so let's let's we'll take it back a step so our platform we're the we're the we're the we're the company that will help you get certified if you're not able to locate a medical marijuana doctor within your own network or if your primary care physician is not certified. training course through the state of Pennsylvania to become certified to to to issue and recommend medical marijuana to patients is that different state to state I assume mm-hmm yeah yeah I I

really can only speak confidently on Pennsylvania with that for now but I'm sure there's a similar process state to state. But how difficult or easy it is, I'm not sure. But in Pennsylvania, almost any doctor who has a active license can take this course and join the registry of a medical marijuana doctor in Pennsylvania. There's interesting language in the medical marijuana bill in Pennsylvania that explicitly says doctors are not allowed to market or promote themselves as a marijuana physician, which is interesting, a little weird but interesting and so you know doctors do it anyway there's there's doctors out here that are i'm the weed doctor you know they get around that well they're short-term thinking because they're not going to get around it for long. I've already seen it come and go for a lot of people. So the reason doctors like working

with us is because the only way you can, you know, find a doctor is usually by working with a platform like mine. There's other platforms out there that provide services like this, but our platform does it in a really unique way, which is kind of everything we're outlining here as a lifestyle brand that complements everything we believe in. And we have this hyper-focused platform to get you your med card.

And then to become a medical marijuana patient and to be within our community, then you can come to our events. And then you build your relationships our events right and then you you know you you build your relationships it's just it's a it's a nice it's a good flow and other things we're looking to do soon is educate our clients who become patients on a lot of the things that they have no knowledge of or information of like they don't know what it's like to go to a dispensary the first time they don't know what products are are there that are good that they should

try or shouldn't try or shouldn't spend their money on or should spend their money on. So really the evolution of Jewish Sauce Boss was just figuring out how to service the market that I'm a part of. Well, you're also looking at it from the state level in PA, which is an important distinction because it's very weird to me how the legal process of weed goes down in this country. And we already touched on the ridiculousness of the schedules of drugs and everything. But I think there was a Supreme Court ruling, I want say in like the early 2000s i think there were a couple like throughout the 2000s that affirmed essentially that the federal government has the complete power and autonomy to regulate marijuana meaning they can say ban it but what we've seen is that even though they've done that through certain acts and things over the years states have openly over the past you could say 25 years but specifically

over the last 10 big time you've seen a lot of states put in their own legislation and now say you're allowed to do this you're allowed to do that we'll decriminalize this we'll we'll allow medical marijuana here whatever whatever and set it all up and essentially the federal government hasn't necessarily fought back on that which they technically whether we agree with it or not have a legal precedent to do it so i do see some good trends there what i don't like about it is that it makes it for something that people in all 50 states do at a very high volume as far as like the number of people who are exposed to marijuana and use it regularly we don't have any uniformity we have some states that still totally

ban it you know we have criminalization here not criminalization there and it creates a lot of traps for people because people are moving around all the time and doing things and so you know right now we need guys like you who are an expert on a state specifically, especially like things like that. But eventually, you know, I don't really, I think it's a zero to a hundred problem, but the ideal situation for me would be that at least from a non-criminal level, from a schedule level, which is a separate argument that should be common sense. And then from a like usage level the federal government should just say like yo it goes right and then if states still want to be old school about something and knock it with the times on certain things like where you possess it or where

you do it or how you do it okay then they'll have to get with it eventually but they can do that you know i don't know what your opinion is there but it's just interesting to me because there's no it seems to be there there's like a total workaround in weed when it comes to the state's relationship with the federal government and i've never seen anything else like that so there's an act i believe it's called the moore act and that you can you can double check this but but the Moore Act, I believe, basically told the federal government to not use any resources to enforce any laws that would impede with legal medical marijuana operations or adult use, which is sometimes referred to a rec market or their operations oh this is the thing that just got passed in december is that the more act yeah yeah i believe this is very recent i remember this yeah so there there's been some provisions to to protect the cannabis industry but like you're saying they're not changes in law they're a

a act that people agree to for now it's not a law well that's its own law but you're saying it doesn't make previous laws irrelevant. It doesn't change anything. It just said it's an act that says we're going to agree to not do this. But they could that could change any moment for whatever reason. That's why it's really bullshit and annoying and totally a mind fuck half the time with everything and anything when it comes to cannabis because state laws are different than federal laws federal laws supersede state laws while we're in a state that has a legal market there there's still no dispensaries open. It's been been a while now.

They're still figuring it out. There's no way to get lab tested cannabis or lab tested products from a, you know, legitimate retailer in New Jersey outside of the ones who are just doing it and I know people who have storefronts already who are selling weed like it's legal because it is and but they don't have a government they don't have a license there's a there's a there's someone across the street in Trenton from City Hall that has a dispensary his name's nj weed man and he just does his thing i've been there and i bought weed from him and it was good that's crazy yeah he's right across

it's across you could look him up right now you could look up his shit it's called nj weed man's joint that you understand why that doesn't make sense to me like that it's not that's why for me sometimes sometimes questions i get i just have to tell people my my reality and my experience you know because like even the mayor yeah i'm just pulling up on you even the mayor's a fan we're behind a paywall here but oh yeah the the headline was that he opens up across city hall and even the mayor of trenton's a fan yeah he he's been arrested for weed so many times and he gets out of it because you know he understands the game he understands what's going on um and he's openly selling cannabis probably right not him but his team and whatever and i'm saying this because i

champion it i think it's cool like i got to speak on stage with that man once and i it was it was it was it was mad cool he's an og in the game so yeah i've been to his dispensary in trenton new jersey where you walk in and buy weed and it's chill and it's like not weird and it's not uncomfortable and it's not like armed security guards like staring you in the face when you walk through the door even though i'm sure there's people there who are providing security yeah but um so this is what i mean right like it's all right now like it's it's crazy like i get to see it from this level with a with a gentleman like nj weedman his name's ed foreshane he is a cool dude in my book i've never done much with him besides speak on stage and with him and and see him from afar but i respect what he's doing i can't speak on any other practices but at the end of the day i have no clue

what is going to happen next it's such a volatile industry like tomorrow they could legalize weed like if they wanted to if they wanted to like senators and legislators could do this tomorrow they could literally do it tomorrow but half of them smoke too they all smoke weed and they're if they're a lawyer they sorry most lawyers totally do or at least did throughout law school it's like a known thing lawyers love drugs that's all i know well i'm not Well, I'm not saying that. I'm not saying that. Yeah, I said it. Yes, I've smoked weed with lawyers, doctors, CEOs, former police officers. The act of using cannabis has nothing to do with your profession. It has nothing to do with your religion.

It has nothing to do with the way you are raised. It has nothing to do with anything besides the fact that you want to try something that might enhance your life. And that's it the idea that like people stop doing something after college okay maybe if you were like doing blow every day in college and then you become a normal person okay i can see that and hopefully you're able to do that right a lot of people want to be that guy yeah a lot a lot of people want but like you know that you see people like kind of leave some things behind of course but like when people go to college like do they unless they become an alcoholic or something like that aside like do they leave alcohol behind when they leave no like what are they gonna do leave weed

behind like that was crazy to me and one of the and it shouldn't have been shocking at all it shouldn't have been shocking but one of the quote-unquote shocking things in my first couple years out in the real world after college was I worked at a bank. And I was a private banker working with people handling a lot of money. And I'd meet all different types of people, but I was in New York City like hobnobbing with guys at investment banks and shit, like all these traditional places. And it would shock me how many people would have openly like talk about it. It's not everyone, but you know, they'd have joints sitting right in their desk. And I was like, this guy, this guy works at bank X, right? And he's just sitting there with like three joints in his desk.

And it also goes to your original point as to how unbalanced the legal action on this stuff is because what you know one of the things that bothers the hell out of me is you see in a lot of poor communities even regardless of race but let's call it what it is like in a lot of urban communities with minority communities you will see people you know a kid arrested with a joint at 15 and now he's fucked because he's already from nothing now he's tagged as that now it's like it's like you're pushing these cycles to continue and eventually you know that kid might become a guy who's who's the missing father and fatherless household because he's in jail for something stupid and then eventually maybe it gets serious

because now his life is crime because that's what that's what society made him you know and that to me not that i blame the guy sitting there with joints in his desk like i think he should totally be allowed to do that but i had a big problem with the double standard i saw and it and frankly like we still have the system set up that that that's still how it is even though it's more lax than it was five years ago no question there's there's still the ability to do that in a lot of places you know it's still happening you know there's the you know people are still getting arrested all right i'll give you a stat pennsylvania in 2020 20 000 plus people were arrested for low level cannabis offenses can you define low level?

simple possession having a piece in their car getting you know smoking and driving and getting a DUI what what do you think the average,

like let's just play a quick game. You don't have to be exact at all. What do you think the average fine of those 20,000 people was? I have no idea. $200? Something like that? I couldn't tell.

I have no idea. I don't know. Let's be conservative and call it a low number yeah let's say it's a hundred dollars i mean i would say like it's got to be probably closer to like 500 because they're gonna do like if they get you with weed they're gonna get you with a bunch of other shit okay well let's well let's not even count that let's not let's be totally conservative here and let's just say it's two hundred dollars right twenty thousand cases in one state two hundred dollars what's twenty thousand times a hundred

two million yeah two million okay so four million that's four million dollars in revenue click like like going through an easy pass toll for the state i mean the state makes money every time someone who's in jail makes a phone call i mean so like yeah how how does government have revenue centers to contribute to the business they're running well they got to find find the ways to do it so that's where you know when you have a change in the law and you go from legal or illegal to legal you gotta you gotta retrain you know police you gotta re-educate on how they're going to initiate communications communications knowing that now the smell of cannabis is not means for search of a car and this is where you you're fucked if you're driving from new york to through pennsylvania

through new jersey to maryland you know the the smell of marijuana might not be cause for searching your car in new jersey but you know maybe you're taking a trip from the the beach you know back up to to to philly or the the philly burbs who knows like this is what I mean. Who knows? The state thing. And it's even crazier state to state, but even within your state. Okay? Philadelphia is a decriminalized city. What does that mean? That means you can have up to roughly an ounce, I think it's 30 grams, on you, and you're not going to get arrested. You'll get a fine or they'll take your weed or, you know, or they'll just say, you know, get the fuck out of here.

But if you go outside of Philadelphia and you cross into Montgomery deem is marijuana after pulling you over and you're dumb enough to say something about that you use it or whatever it might be you're fucked yeah even the in pennsylvania and most states if you use marijuana and so for example me and you hang out last night you know till 10 o'clock we smoked smoked a joint i left i went home the next day i'm driving yada yada yada get pulled over they're like it smells like weed in here and you're like you're like oh it's okay i'm a medical marijuana patient you just got a dui really yep yours you got a dui if it smelled like weed in there and you said i'm a medical marijuana patient because now they know you are and now they know when they take you in to test your blood you're going to come up hot for weed and if any amount of thc is in your blood you're So, I mean, that is where I work with a law firm, CDM Law.

We partnered with Cresco Labs and another law firm, PKN Law. And at our weekly events, we tie in a lot of education. But one of our events this month on august 18th we're doing an expedited expungement and pardon initiative because this is where it is unbelievably complicated bro where sometimes all the knowledge i have in my brain it's like a lot and i appreciate this podcast right now because it's really making me realize some stuff no thank you for doing it man yeah this has been really great and i appreciate being here but it's like there's so much involved in this that it's like we're trying to help people expunge and clear their records of non-violent cannabis offenses so for example the 20 000

plus people who got jammed up in pa in 2020 at a certain point would be able to get this expunged or pardoned from their record given the the initiative in place by governor wolf and lieutenant lieutenant governor federman they have an expedited initiative to pardon and expunge low-level non-violent cannabis offenses that's good this company cresco and their foundation seed is offering to cover the costs of the expungement pardon process for people who come to the events to get educated and connect with the attorneys or are able to discover this information by following my platform or the platforms that are promoting this, connect with us, and then know can push them in the right direction because like what you said the investment banker who has his joints in his desk and it's okay

and he's never going to go to jail he could smoke that outside and the cop will probably wave walking by yep there's there's a huge disconnect between the young kid in the hood who has the same mentality who just wants to get away and you know have a smoke and clear their head or you know relax their mind or whatever it might be that kid's gonna get a fucking charge yeah that kid's gonna probably get jammed up in one way or another and that will follow them and then you can't get jobs you can't get housing you can't get loans you can't do this it's a cycle you can't do that and it's vicious and it's absolutely vicious and that's where the brand jewish sauce boss is here to be a conduit for anyone we can in this industry we want people to be able to come to us and say hey i need help with this or i need help with that or how do i do this or

what's going on here and that that's where, you know, our consulting practice really thrives. You know, we teach people how to use cannabis. We teach people how to consume cannabis. We, we bring people to our events. Next thing I know, they're like, Oh, I've been thinking about starting this business, this brand, or, you know, I've actually been working with this company for a while. Like, what do you think we should do? It's just a really unique position to be in. That partnership though, I'm curious about that. What you were talking about, it was, I think it was two different law firms and you. And so you use the example of the 20,000 people who were arrested for something stupid in Pennsylvania last year. If they come to you guys, the one firm covers all their expenses.

So the grower processor, which is Cresco Labs, their foundation is called Seed. Seed is focused this summer on an expedited expungement initiative it's a social justice movement so my i guess my question would be i i think i think i understand why they're doing it but tell me if i'm wrong here essentially it's like a great well they get to do a good thing they get to help people out but it's also for an enormous brand awareness opportunity that's where you know they're paid in money that they're covering the money for these people that's like a marketing investment in that way so the people are like oh cresco help me out with this oh look at what cresco is doing you know they started this movement which

is a good thing so it's for like goodwill in that way exactly got it okay and that's where you have corporate cannabis corporate cannabis is a lot at times and you know for me when i work with a company like cresco or i work with one of these massive companies, it's very intentional, right? I'm working with them because of what you just said as said and outlined, you know, pretty articulately. They are going to cover the costs of the work that the attorneys would do to help people get their record expunged and cleared.

So if someone comes in, they're like, Hey, I got a possession charge, you know, I mean, or all the way up to selling hundreds of pounds, whatever it might be. And you get jammed up, you can talk to these attorneys and they're gonna figure out a plan of action. They're gonna cost it out. This company is going to cover it. They're going to get help. It's a great symbiotic relationship with everyone involved. But a lot of times, the corporate cannabis companies, they'll be a little trepidatious of the brand Jewish Sauce Boss because we're doing things in a very intentional way. We're very focused

on how we operate and how we move and what we say and what we do and the lifestyle we showcase. And I didn't create this brand for anyone. I created this brand to help people and solve problems, not to cater or not be the fullest, truest version of myself and what this brand to help people and solve problems not not to cater or not be the fullest truest version of myself and what this brand is and embodies so for example in pennsylvania you're not allowed to smoke your medical marijuana in the language of the law it says you're not allowed to combust your cannabis wait really yep it's the dumbest shit in the world what the fuck do you do you're supposed to vaporize it only and even to go back a little bit in pennsylvania when they first started the medical program they sold products but the only one of the only products they didn't sell was the

flour and then they had to have a committee make a decision to allow the sales of flour, which was actually a strategic plan by the senator who wrote the bill because he knew the Republican senators would push back on the fact that selling flowers to, you know, whoa, this is crazy. We're selling flour at the dispensary so he built in a mechanism for a committee that he knew would vote in favor of selling actual flour to the patients and now the they got hell of fire weed in pennsylvania that's all i could say our medical marijuana in pennsylvania is fire if you get the right so that was at the state level yep state level state level that's what i mean this shit's crazy it is so bureaucratic in government and then the bureaucracy over at the corporate cannabis level is wild as well because you know i want to work with these companies right the crescos the the big brands right because we're certifying patients to get their card but they they also want

people to look a certain way too yeah and they don't want you and they don't want you to smoke weed and they're like and they're like oh what are you smoking on your instagram page well maybe it's cbd maybe it's hemp maybe it's weed don't worry about it maybe it's just nothing anyone needs to worry about because it's more about the con text than the content you need to understand the context of what is happening within the content and if you just want to look at the content you're going to miss the mark and i'm totally cool with that i like that that's good i'm going to use that use it i probably stole that from gary v or some shit maybe yeah that's that's pretty good yeah and it's true and it's real it's just

so real it's like i've had it in so many different moments people are like you smoke i'm like okay what it's out there i'm like what do we need to discuss what what like what do we need to know like yes a joint was smoked and then at times i'm like how big do you need to get how how many people do you need to help how many things do you need to do before it doesn't matter like certain people do shit it doesn't matter you know what i mean but that level of fame and celebrity and influence it's it's just another level and tier of life to where you can do this because you make a lot of people a lot of a lot of money and it's like for me i can't help but be myself well you're and you're an individual specialized house you're not a corporation. And the unfortunate thing, and this is the reality in everything, no matter what it is, the larger the

group of people around one common goal gets, the more fun gets sucked out of the situation. Because the more people cooking the meal, the more problems that happen with the meal. And this is the problem with like a big corporate environment. And then it starts to become also, you know, the bigger you get, the bigger the target on your back, the bigger the target you're back, the more lawyers you hire. The more lawyers you hire, the more regulations you self-impose. The more regulations you self-impose, the more you check yourself on everything you do. And the more you check yourself on everything you do, the less fun there is in any type of situation that happens there that is the god's honest truth and unfortunately it's not going to be any different with weed as we're already being able to tell

but like on the actual speaking of like the big corporations themselves i just remembered when you were talking there that and i can't believe i didn't bring this up earlier when we were talking about the lobbyist money and the fact that all these other industries, be it private prisons, alcohol, they outnumber even the lobbyists in a major now burgeoning industry like weed. I forgot, though, that all of these alcohol companies, because they can read data just like you and I can, not all of them, but a lot of them are heavily, directly invested in marijuana now. Molson Coors, Constellation Brands, and I'm going to miss some of the other names, but you know how all these holding companies own like all the beer we drink on a mainstream level. You know. Southern Wine and Spirits, I believe, has the biggest distribution of cannabis in Canada, which is an alcohol company.

Like, they're – so it's like – So why hasn't it moved along more than – So for federal legalization in Canada, and I'm not too well-versed on this, but when it went federal federal you got to think of you know infrastructure and logistics and and and location so i i i remember hearing this or seeing this but i believe it's southern wine and spirits of canada is the biggest distributor of legalized cannabis because the majority of that cannabis is sold in stores ran by the government there it is they're in bed with them so and that's it's like pennsylvania the state stores are all our government run that's a government runs the fine wine spirits canada is the wild, wild west with this.

Like, Canada is behind on a lot of shit, and, like, their government does a lot of crazy shit. But the one thing that they've been out in front on is weed, which I need to look into a lot more myself because there's always a catch with this stuff, let's be honest. But, you know, here, to the point, like, that's still still there's so much inertia there's so much stopping things from being allowed to happen that also like we're falling behind canada and some of the ability to like distribute and and mass scale i think isn't like tilray out of canada yeah so uh what's the other one c uh cbc or there's so many canopy growth yeah yeah there's a bunch of them so you know it is crazy altria yep like it is crazy to me that because the alcohol industry is behind it because they know where this is going that we haven't seen that start to shift yet that that power balance and

again i forgot this earlier and now i i kind, like, because it is a follow the money situation like everything else. I wonder when that's going to break through. And if it's just at this point an issue with like, let's just look at D.C., for example, how much they're wondering, like, all right, how much are we going to take our taste on this? And how long can we hold off to where we put the sales tax, know to 30 instead of 15 and like the republicans have been historically very very behind on this now you have a few who are starting to you know see the light as i say the democrats have been out in front of this for years like hey let's let's legalize it but the thing that has been pissing me off there is they're so concerned with that sales tax and like there was legislation introduced last year i think it was last year where they wanted to grow it like

they would only allow it certain things to happen in this country if they could do a slow hike of the sales tax from like 10 to maybe it's 25 or 30 percent something like that so to me you know i'm kind of wondering when these companies are going to make the little handshake deal behind the scenes and be like this is what it is and at least even though as as a society we're going to lose something you know because we're going to give up we're going to pay more bullshit for something we shouldn't have to pay bullshit on every time we buy it at least we'll get an instantaneous kind of drop of like mass adoption and now states also will have to kind of get with the program it's yeah i mean the the fact that government and business

is so interconnected is is a fat as a fact of life you know what i mean and it's it's funny at times right like my background before being full-time you know and what i do now is the casino business so that's interesting so you know i've talked to people about this before right you know there used to be vegas and atlantic city and before that gambling was illegal yes and the people that took care of gambling as a business and provided the services that were needed were organized crime were you know whatever whatever it would be right and that's why organized crime was thriving in those eras because they would take the risks on the businesses and the industries that everybody desired that you know everybody wanted but the government wasn't ready to to pass legislation or legalize it prohibition dude it all comes back to prohibition right you

know and when i was in college i wanted to work you know i studied hospitality you know i worked in restaurants from 16 to 26 hotels nightlife casinos the whole nine yards and it was just something i really enjoyed so I went into work in the casino business and what were you doing there first was an internship in Atlantic City worked at a beach bar super fun got far it was called the Trump Plaza Beach bar so that that's not there anymore right no they actually demolished that casino this year which is kind of funny and um that was an amazing experience like working on a beach bar 20 internship learning being in a casino environment it was really

really cool and then after college i went i worked at the valley forge casino resort in king of prussia pennsylvania that was one of the first ones no that was no not in pa they came they put a casino in there that building was there so it it was it was a hotel and it was a convention center and then they took one of the convention center floors and put a casino in it so i got to start working there as a food and beverage manager and it was it was a cool it was a cool gig and i always knew when i worked in atlantic city that pennsylvania was going to thrive like i remember when i was a kid and there was no casinos in pennsylvania and everyone went to atlantic city i was always like this is crazy like why like why don't we have casinos and then in the early 2000s you started to see it happen you know some casinos came online and then after a while

it used to be Vegas was the number one gaming market Atlantic City was number two Pennsylvania became the number two gambling market in the united states behind las vegas and surpassed atlantic city after like a decade of of having casinos pa pa effectively and i think the data backs this as you're alluding to pa in my opinion effectively killed atlantic city as we know it because you know it used to be the hour long down 42 the expressway if you're coming from like philly or down the parkway for two two hours 15 minutes from new york city and now it's like you know you're in new york city you can at least hit the place in yonkers if you're in philadelphia there's fucking i mean there's what like three on the river right there they just

open up a new casino philadelphia live um and yeah it's beautiful and it's it's it's just like anything else there's there's huge money in in gambling you know like there's huge money in in vices you know like kind of to elude what you said but government gets their taste dude i remember when i first started working the valley forge casino i think it was 55 cents out of every dollar that went into a slot machine went back to the government and then table games was 14 cents on the dollar so every time money was exchanged you know people made money and what i learned from from that in a way is if you can have a business that brings substantial value to the government it's a good business to be in because if you can

entertain and have people have a good time provide excellent service leave them with an experience that that they loved and every time they spend money in your casino you're making the state and the government money you're doing something well and it's a similar position i'm in a much smaller scale with getting people their medical marijuana card because to get your medical marijuana card the card itself there's a fee a yearly fee you pay to the state how much is that it's 50 bucks that's actually not horrible but it's not bad and and the nice thing about it is every dispensary has doctors and pharmacists within their dispensary and you can consult with them and talk to them on site i didn't know that yeah yeah it's really cool

that is cool yeah it's cool and these people you know a lot of them really want to help and they really love cannabis and they believe in the medicine and the products that they're they're selling to the patients and it's uh it's it's pretty cool what about the smoking aspect of it though and this is something that frankly i should do much more research into and i don't because it's it's top of mind if you talk to the average person you know just enjoys weed like recently we've seen a lot of other ways for it to happen the edibles are and smaller doses edibles are everywhere and things like that. But people, it's still like you smoke weed. It's the most common thing. And obviously, the idea of smoke itself is not good for your body, period, right?

But we have tobacco legalized and we all know the science supports this completely. The effects of that versus the effects of weed smoke, it's not even close. It's far worse to smoke tobacco and especially all the things that they put in those products but you know it is still you are inhaling something that's not meant to be in your body and past studies i've looked at they're probably a little biased towards weed admittedly have and i haven't looked at this in a while but they show that there's not there's not a strong correlation of long-term things like lung cancer and things like that that are associated with

weed however if you talk to a lot of doctors or you talk to especially like a pulmonologist or something like that who in fairness to them is literally their job to like look at lungs so i understand their position things like that they're going to be like it's horrible for you and here's all the cells cancerous cells can cause like here's how it happens whatever like how do you get around that when you know again plant it is a plant and we all we should all agree i should say that that is a natural thing that we should be able to consume but you know what if there are people coming back you like hey agree but we shouldn't smoke it i think that when you begin to understand that some people respond only to a smokable product

then you got to allow people to make the decision and how they're going to consume their medication you know you need to be knowledgeable to know that okay smoking probably isn't great in general and to deduct that and move into a regimen with cannabis that's good for you is is a thing you gotta you know take upon yourself right like i know a lot of people who don't smoke and love edibles you know what i mean and i know other people who only vape and And I know other people that only smoke. And you know, other people just use a tincture. Some people only want to get products that are, you know, because, you know, the Bengay is not working anymore. So the THC lotion and the combination of CBD and THC you get from the dispensary helps mitigate that knee pain pain question on that actually a little sidebar

yeah i've never used that or had to use that when you rub like with the thc heavy ones when you rub that on you you don't you don't get high from that no it doesn't get doesn't get you high at all no no not i don't know if it's like sinking in your pores or some shit but no that doesn't get you high it it just it's just a very soothing you know feeling on the like for me right like i i get a lot of tension in this area like in my body so like i'm constantly putting that lotion there to your neck yeah like neck and shoulder area just like it's where i carry carry the stress and you know what what i like to do is you know take a shower at night you know get ready right after that put it on and you know just let that like soothe in and it feels like it feels great

it just just feels really good and it's relaxing and doesn't get you high but um you know I'm usually medicating you know when I'm using the product so it's beneficial to me I really like it it helps a lot of the people within our community and there's you there's other ones too like you know there's ones with more CBD than THC and some people just just don't want that much THC and and there's other lotions and transdermals that can get you medicated it's just a matter of what it's made with and and and uh the absorption method into the into the body it's like anything it's different strokes different folks and that's that's the funniest thing about about it right like i said before

like someone could could use a cannabis product and it makes them energetic same person or a different person uses the same product their sleep they're they're like ready to take a nap that's that's actually and this is this is related to that but i'm going down a little rabbit hole here that is another thing that makes it a little difficult to gauge and i'll explain what i mean by that. If someone consumes alcohol, right? If I consume wine or I consume whiskey, I get different kinds of feelings and different kinds of drunk. But at the end of the day, based on the amount I drink of blood, of content of alcohol in it, you know, my blood alcohol level can be measured. So if I'm at 0.04 and I drive, I'm okay. If I'm at 0.10, I'm at.04 and I drive, I'm okay. If I'm at.10, I'm getting arrested. You know, with weed, like, I'll just use a bullshit college example. Like, in college, when we had, you know, different people volunteering to designate a drive for a night or something, which was always great.

We never had a problem. Like, honestly, never had a problem with people getting in the car drunk, which was awesome. But, like, when you designate a drive, it drove. A lot of times you'd smoke right that's just what you did for the night for whatever and you're fine like for people that did that and i i haven't i haven't driven after smoking weed since college so i can't speak to this recently but like you were fine as long as you weren't like ripping taking 12 bong reps right before you were fine edibles different story now i've never driven

on edibles but i've been in a car like on an edible in college and like the wheel can come out at you you know what i mean so my point here is it's very hard and this is where you know not to defend the government or whatever but i understand with some regulation around like driving and stuff like that it's very hard to gauge a how much someone is going to respond to a drug in a different way the drug the weed in a different way and b the method of consumption you understand what i'm saying it's not apples to apples across the board yeah no i mean yes listen smoking and driving you know if you like doing it just be safe but it's not smart um and at the end of the day getting behind the wheel after you take an edible is not a good

idea you know it's like it's it's definitely not a good idea especially because edibles are very inaccurate with their dosing and the the outcome and the effect you're really gonna have no ability to predict it so i would encourage any edible experiences to be done at um at home or if you're like at a concert and like you're like in a experience where like you know you can safely get home afterward but yeah it's like you need people to allow the industry to progress so you need to create labeling and standards and, and, and, and set it up like you set up anything else. Like when you open a pack of candy, on the back, you have the nutritional facts, and it says this many milligrams of sugar and this many milligrams of sodium. And that's how it should be. It's like the

professionalism needs to come up. But you know, in California, you have edibles that are i mean that it looks like an artisan chocolate from france with the packaging and the labeling and the ingredients how do they get away with i'm curious about that because you would think especially with something like this on it's going to be under scrutiny i don't know how they get away with the whole like all right well we're saying there's x amount of milligrams in this but there might be this amount you know what i mean like when you drink a corona you know it's 4.5 or whatever it is you know i appreciate that you know what you're getting yeah it is still there's an as you pointed out there's a lack of predictability with edibles in regulated open markets like most common example like Colorado.

And I'm shocked that they do get away with that. Yeah, it's because it's hard to regulate. A lot of people get edibles from who they get their edibles from. Buying a pack of edibles in a dispensary is usually really really expensive so but most people get edibles on the traditional market or a friend makes you some edibles or brownies or cookies or that was the best or whatever it is yeah good times firecrackers the good old days firecrackers bringing me back that's some man that's crazy that was like a

quick way to make an edible without having to go through the whole process yeah yes well you know speed speed and comfort as i say yes but when you think about we keep referring to that like legacy market which i think i'm going to use that now that's good yeah over black market that's way better yeah but like the legacy market one of the things that should be paid attention to that should also make a way bigger argument for massive legalization of this stuff is the fact that especially now it's kind of scary because you don't know what you're buying and it doesn't mean like the guy who's given it to you is bad either. He may not know either, you know? And my eyes were really open to this about four or five years ago when I was, I didn't really know this kid, but a friend of a friend who I had at least met before.

And it wasn't, in fairness, it wasn't involving weed, but he bought, I think he was buying like a basic drug, like maybe, I don't even think it was MDMA. It was something a lot less. And he got sold fentanyl. And he died, you know, which is terrifying. But then Joe Rogan, a couple years ago, I think this was, he had on a guy who by accident wrote a book called Fentanyl Inc., which I still have to read. I haven't read it. But it was an amazing podcast.

I'd encourage people to listen to. This guy was was a culture reporter like he was a music reporter he was doing some kind of story i think on like an artist or something and somehow came across like some crazy wild story about someone who had overdosed on fentanyl and then looked at one thing which led to another and another and he ended up doing his full investigation on this and he even like went undercover to china i mean it's really amazing what he did and he saw all drugs like everything not just weed like all this stuff where fentanyl's getting put into the product and actually it was more in things like cocaine and stuff like that but it's scary to me that we still have to operate in places where people are forced to buy their weed off of a regulated market.

And they may just be some guy who's looking for their joint for the weekend. And I'm not saying this happens a lot. But it happens sometimes. You get something that's laced with heroin or it's laced with fentanyl. And to me, I'm not a parent at this point but i know when i'm a parent if if we don't have a change here and i think we're gonna by that time but i'm just saying hypothetically if we didn't that'd be a scary thing for me to think about it's scary like me thinking about it like if i ever have some like technically you know you don't know i mean listen

the shitty thing about weed is you usually have to buy it from a drug dealer if you're not in a legal market. And if you know anything about sales, if you sell weed and you also sell other drugs, when you have someone come and buy their eighth of weed as a good salesman you would say yo you need any molly you need any coke you need any you need any of this you need any of that you need this or that and that's that's been a huge problem and that's where the the demonization of of of cannabis falls in line with you know drug culture at times because you can listen everyone's one step away from not having weed from their guy you know like it's and it's it's real you know i'm very fortunate i know a lot of people but like a lot of people get their weed from someone and a lot of people like you said after college they think they can't smoke weed anymore it's like i can't have it a part of their

lifestyle it's like a thing you only do in college and a lot of time i think people just change it up move away and they don't they don't have access like they used to sure college it's amazing it's everywhere it's everywhere it's it's everywhere and it's like it sucks you know because that concept of people who buy weed and they don't have their like a pennsylvania if you don't have your medical marijuana card the only way you can get your weed is if someone's mailing it to you or you buy it from your dealer. And I don't think there's anything wrong if you have a great relationship with someone that you trust and who has your best interests in mind as well. Because there's really good people out here who sell weed, who care about the products they sell, who know they're getting good products, who've been doing this for a long time. And it is what it is. They may not. But that's the thing, though. And they're getting good products who've been doing this for a long time and it is what it is they may not but that's the thing though and they may be a great person but they may not even know because they're still unless they're growing it themselves and

this is the problem they're still technically getting it from somewhere you know maybe they've been getting it from a reliable place for 10 years and then one day that place distributor whoever it is buys it from the wrong person you know that sucks and like to me when i hear one of the things that pisses me off is when i hear like all the all the anti-drug advocates pointing this out correctly i might add and i appreciate they pointed out they then pointed out as a reason to ban more and i'm like well all right if we were talking heroin or something we can have that argument but like no the opposite because guess what people aren't going to stop smoking weed they're not going to stop appreciating having thc

so you're just going to force them to get it more there you're also going to take away complete control of the marketplace and like you know it's a similar argument you can and albeit at a much smaller numerical scale but it's a similar argument you could get into with guns like if you ban guns i mean bad guys don't listen to laws you know what i mean and so i look at it the same way across the board i'm like well why the fuck is it different here if you ban something it's just someone will take the risk to provide it it's that that's that's that's his history it's called human nature yeah we've seen that in history time and time again i mean to the even to this day gun running is one of the biggest activities of any organized crime whether it's

an organized crime in this area of life or this area of life that's a huge huge business same with transporting cannabis like how do people think their cities get the products there like no like the the the general weed smoker never takes a second to think how this got to me yeah they don't sit there and be like well wow this was grown on a farm or in a indoor facility and then okay well was this grown with care was this grown with standards was this grown with pesticides was this grown you know with with whatever was it treated properly was it cured properly what like how is this done and then after it gets grown and it gets all you know bagged out and and together then how many times has it changed hands how many hands have been in in that product and have touched it how many times has it fallen on the floor how many times have you have you bought in your your your weed from a dealer

and there's a hair in it i mean it is what it is it's an unregulated market and that's why the people who do it really well in an unregulated market they you like usually people who do it well in cannabis hold it to a decent standard because they wouldn't be in the game for for a good amount of time they you have to care about the end user if if you if you are someone who wants to be the man and whatever, all right, you're listening to this. You're doing your thing. You sell weed. You're making your money. You have to care about the end user.

It's the same thing I say when I talk to a company who has millions of dollars and is legal to sell weed do you give a shit about the patients that come in here yeah do you care about the person who's using your product do you care about what they're going to say to their friends do you care if they're going to say yo i got the cresco lime sorbet you got to get this shit to their homie who doesn't even have a card then they're going to be like wow that shit is fire i didn to get my card and they get their card and they go to the dispensary and that is at least the good side of like corporate culture like let's talk about the i talked about the negatives earlier i always will but when you have that and you do have a level of regulation on it and you know like well they got their public brand behind this and if they fucked up they're done like they're out

they're out of business they're all going to jail too there's a level of trust there and like even to what you're saying though the more links in the chain you add all it takes is one and that's the issue i think there are a lot of people in those chains on the legacy market who do care about the end user but like take it away from i'll take it away from weed for a second and use an example i know well you know you look at cocaine politico did a phenomenal story this is this has got to be like five six years ago now i saw this and now it just is more it's more prescient at the moment you'll understand why in a second but like hamas who has effectively like hijacked palestine and is now firing all these bombs into Israel and there's all kinds of issues going back and forth there, which is a whole separate thing. But like that organization, they fund a lot of what they do off of being, I think, the largest, but I'll hedge and say one of the largest cocaine distributors in the world and their cocaine trail goes from the middle east through

all kinds of bat shit whatever the fuck in africa to the united states through the united states it involves used cars through the united states and used cars that they send from africa back through mexico to then re i think launder I'm gonna fuck up how to explain this but relaunder the cars back through Africa so they can reuse them and continue to siphon cocaine into the country now do you think that a bunch of blow hidden in shoddy used cars running across Africa on I don't know like caravans or some shit has any level of systemized purity to it when the organization who's doing it doesn't give a fuck about the end user they're trying to fund themselves you know what i mean and so when i look at this again

i can make this argument all day for people and i'm sorry if i'm pounding away at it but when i see things that should be common sense not treated as common sense it bothers me and that's like a hard drug right like when you're talking about weed a lot of it is not as convoluted as that example but it's still like you know comes from the cartels in mexico who last i checked aren't you know they're not very nice people you know no they're not and thankfully that their their weed businesses have definitely gone down um given given how much of a market there is and surplus there is of product in states like oregon and washington and california and the majority of the cannabis you smoke in a state or an area that doesn't have legalization it's coming from California um that that's where it comes from you know that's

where most of the cannabis is grown that's where the the environment's right to grow it you know whether it's outdoor indoor you name it you get the majority of the cannabis you're consuming from california and that's why it's really important to see as we grow into an industry what it'll look like when california can actually ship their cannabis to other states within the united states or export their cannabis to other countries because most people say best weeds grown in california humboldt county kelly kush i'm trying to look up while you're speaking here i don't know if i'll be able this is the kind of data that like on the show usually i can't find because it's very very exact but i'd love to know the percentage and it's going to be an estimate that's wrong but you know if we could get a ballpark a study of the percentage of weed that's

consumed in this country that emanates from california so it's the majority it's the majority it's above 50 i think i would think so yeah that's to me that's good that's good i would definitely say it's above that because like it's it's almost hard to get really bad weed now like i remember when i was like 18 you could get mids like seedy sticks like give you a headache after you you know took a gravity bong hit because that's what you did with mids and um you know it's like the the level and sophistication of of cannabis now is so interesting you know you have you have you have people who can grow outdoor that looks as great as indoor weed. You have people that are doing indoor weed that doesn't look as good as outdoor weed. It's a really, really wild time.

And it just comes down to how do we change the laws? How do we advocate and educate and get to the point where we change it? Because my dad is 77. My dad has been smoking weed for 50 plus years. He is a G. He's a musician. And he's one of the coolest dudes I know. And he laughs every time we talk. And, you know, I'm like, oh's they're like talking about federally legalizing

it he just like he'll just literally smoking yeah okay he's like he's like my dad calls me willie he's like willie they were saying that shit 50 years ago and he's like we still here he's like there's been progress i'm not gonna i'm not gonna knock it there's progress but they say the same shit all the time and it rarely rarely changes and the only way to have a change is if we hopefully will vote people in that want to see this change and get the other people who have no desire to allow it to change out. They don't care. They can get weed. They're not going to jail for weed. They don't care about all these people that are in jail for weed. They don't care. They don't care. If you smoke weed, I would like, if you smoke weed, send an email to someone in your community who represents you or legislates for you and writes laws and tell them that you want everyone in jail for cannabis

offenses to be out that would be a good use of your time. If you get high and love weed. That's a great it's like one of the best uses of your time. If you want to be in the cannabis industry, you want to start your cannabis brand, you want to be the man you want to you want to show how much weed you smoke. You want to say I got the best nugs or whatever. All of it to me is cool. I fuck with it all. But please, please use your voice if you still have one for the people who don't. Because there's a lot of people in jail who don't get to do the stuff I get to do every day,

which is smoke weed and talk about weed and run a business and a company that promotes removing and ending the stigma of cannabis that if you had to say what is jewish sauce boss it's a company to end the stigma of cannabis mic drop i do really appreciate how you put your money where your mouth is with this you know because it seems to me like obviously you have the main focus of providing medical marijuana cards and everything as as you've covered and also like you said there's so many different things to attack and and help with in the whole industry and and bringing it to the mainstream that like if you tried to do all of them you'd have nothing so i'm sure it's like you want to do this you want to do that but you can't but if you are to do all of them, you'd have nothing. So I'm sure it's like, you want to do this, you want to do that, but you can't. But if you are going to hone in on like something to put next to that as like a value add, you know, you talked about putting out your own brand and like

your own feelings and spirituality and things like that. But also, you know, that education arm that you've hit on time and time and time again. I think that's a great place to start. And the reason I say money where your mouth is, is because we do still see the people who are victim of the past precedents, as you pointed out. And one of the things I will give Trump some credit on that he did that I hope does continue is, and I don't know if he was doing it for political points or because he felt passionate about it, but he did try to help out a lot of people who were a part of like archaic weed laws and stuff and i think like kim kardashian was someone who would really push that and like some celebrities and stuff so that was good but i'd like to see that continue because i'm tired

of seeing cases where you see someone and let's call it what it is, it's usually someone from like a poor urban community, who, you know, 30 years ago was selling weed to survive, and they're in jail for life. And yet, you know, a little unrelated, but not really, like, on a smaller scale, another example we saw just several weeks ago that blew my fucking mind and pissed me off was where you saw Sha'Carri Richardson get banned from the Olympics for smoking weed, which I guarantee you probably half the fucking athletes did. That might be mean to say, but a lot of them do, right? And maybe it was dumb that she smoked it knowing she was going to get tested. Okay, I could argue with that. She's 21. We've all been 21.

Like, we do not smart stuff. But what really pissed me off is that when they got to the Olympics, there was, like, a – some sort of, like, conference setup where Megan Rapinoe, the soccer player, and I think another soccer player were there hocking their fucking marijuana company and it's like wait a second that's not even where you want to say read the room that's where you want to say are you fucking kidding it's trash it's just it's it's it and it's hemp and it's it's this and it's that and you have a young talented incredibly you know successful woman in shikari richardson who chose to use cannabis because she was delivered some news from a reporter that her biological mother died who she was not raised by she was raised by her grandmother that news was given to her by a reporter so then she said and decided that i smoked weed to help manage and deal with what i was going through she is an amazing human being to

get berated and be put on good morning america and have to apologize for not doing anything. It's sad. It's sad. It's sad the way you berate someone who's celebrated and championed and a moment's indiscretion is going to be with her for forever because she faced something that no 21 year old probably knew how to mentally emotionally deal with sure and it's just it's it's unfortunate that we don't have more compassion and more love in the world to say damn you're shikari like whoa you went through something heavy like you know like this is this isn't the end of the world whatever olympic committee rules they want to you know enforce and abide by well you gotta you gotta live and die by your decisions but that is so awful that they are championing these white women and their cbd company and dragging through the mud a woman who decided to to maybe roll one up and try and be able to compete

given the information she was given and how to mentally get over and get through it and power through it. So for me, it's a similar thing, right? There was an epidemic, and there's still a drug epidemic, but in the 80s is when cocaine became real popular and that's also when you saw crack become popular as well but cocaine was consumed by wealthy white people and crack cocaine was being consumed by inner city low income you know minorities

when it went from cocaine to this synthesized crack cocaine i don't know i've never done it so there was the demonization of that yes that subset of people opposed to the people who have money who were just you know railing lines or doing their thing these people who smoked the cocaine well they're going to jail for a long long time if you get caught with that we're going to ruin your life if you get caught with that we're going to put this all over the inner cities and let people sell it and then get you addicted and then get hooked and put you on this but if you're rich and you're wealthy and you have a cocaine problem you get to go to rehab you get a good lawyer you get a good lawyer he's a good person he's doing look all the goodies do it like it's it's a double standard. It's a total double standard. There's always these double standards of the same substance where that person's skin tone or ethnicity or upbringing lies.

It's sad. It sucks. And it goes back to the disparity of drug arrests between white people and minorities, low income income it's like a four to one separation and in some major major cities that can get as high as like 10 12 to 1 because of the disparity of yeah who's policing a nice neighborhood for a group of kids that might be like out hanging and like someone brought a joint not many there are tons of police in the inner city canvassing these neighborhoods always looking for something always having a reason to jam someone up yeah and it's really not good it's not a smart way to

enhance community and the thing is we need to legalize cannabis because when you legalize cannabis it reduces the harm within communities it allows people to move in ways that they're not going to ruin their life like if we lived in a society that was progressive and where we should be with weed laws and all this stuff shikari richardson would be the spokesperson for the biggest weed brand in the world she would have endless an endorsement deal after endorsement deal after endorsement deal she would become the champion for an athlete that can smoke weed and and win and compete but instead we're in this this this opposite world this world that you know if she would have heard that news drank a bottle of vodka ended up driving somewhere hurting herself and someone else well if she had done that she

definitely would have been banned would she been banned yeah 100 if she had if she got a dui and hurt someone else fuck yeah all right however the first but i'll you had me in the first half where i totally agree if i i think if i were choosing someone to get that kind of news and go face a bottle of vodka alone in their house versus have a joint, that's an easy decision what I want them to do. I agree with that. And it's, it's just like, I don't know where the, the line stops with whether you're using a substance and you do something dumb and you might hurt yourself, yourself or someone else. And hopefully no one gets drastically injured. But you cause an accident. You hurt yourself and someone else.

You did something wrong. You made a mistake. Who knows? It's weird. For example, I'll give you a quick story. When I came out of college, i failed a hair drug test for marijuana a hair drug hair they took a hair sample and tested it for drugs at a casino for an entry-level job okay so they do the hair test and mind you i was aware they might do this so i bought this

shampoo that's supposed to get out of your system and blah blah blah hair test i go through the full orientation a week of orientation i go to my first day for this job and the person who hires me has a look on their face I'm I'm I can't picture like I can't really you know understand what's going on and he says well I'm gonna say this but they just made me aware of your drug test results and you failed the hair drug test for marijuana you you can't start today and I was like wow that's the most demoralizing thing i've ever felt i just graduated college i just did all the stuff i was supposed to do got this job now now what i gotta like call my fucking parents and be like hey guys i failed at

hair drug test while your dad's like repping a joint like oh sorry to hear that son yeah and like it's like yeah it's like holy shit it changed my life for a long time you know because instead of doing what i was on this plan to do it it sent me back to my roots and i got a job working at a restaurant and I was a server and, you know, worked my way back up to getting into a management role and, you know, having to go through the process of passing a drug test again. It's all for the look. It has nothing to do with the beliefs. It has to do with the look and the look at us, look at how clean we are as a company and stuff. I had to start, and it's just a similar example.

I had to start my job at a bank seven months later than I wanted to. Because when I was 19, I took a fake ID into a bar because I was dating a 21-year-old girl at the time. And it got tossed out. It was dismissed. And then it was expunged. And actually, the Pennsylvania courts had a clerical error and didn't fully expunge it, even though it had been told that it was. And I, to be honest with you, I only went to expunge it because I was like, wait, can I do that? And I asked my dad, who's a lawyer, and he's like, yeah, you can. I said, well, why not? Like, I wasn't even going to do it. Thank God I did. You know what I mean?

But I had to start seven months later because of that, because of an FDIC regulation that was put in. And, you know anyone i talked to like even at the fdic they're like oh my god i'm so sorry and like i knew it was going to be fine and i was going to get put through but it's like why is that even there in the first place it's there because people don't want like they want to point to a record well we have a number on a page we have 100 of employees have never been and yet all these people probably did the same shit and didn't get caught for it or it got expunged or something or you know they didn't and whatever you know if you're 19 years old doing that that's such a

ridiculous sentiment and to me i view it the same way with things like weed now now if you want to talk about harder stuff that's a different story you know it is what it is same way with things like weed now. Now, if you want to talk about harder stuff, that's a different story. You know, it is what it is. You deal with it. But, you know, I can say out of the same side of my mouth that these rules are stupid and dated and totally like antithetical to what really is going on. But also like, you know, there is still a level, even though we shouldn't have to deal with it and i'd say this to you like as a kid coming out there it's like if you know you're gonna get drug tested obviously you went and bought the shampoo and everything like don't fucking do it you know and

like for me i'll even say that like was i really thinking about my job when i was 19 probably not but i was old enough to have that thought and it's like do i need to go in here no i do not i'm going i'm going in here because of pussy right like that like let's be honest like that's stupid you know but you do it and then you deal with it later what you still should be able to say is like it probably shouldn't have been a rule in the first place and like you know to go back to the shikari thing and you talking about how the situation could play out differently if these weren't these rules weren't in place i agree with you and i think it underscores like a point here and it makes it makes things uncomfortable for some people i'm never uncomfortable talking about it but you know you have to look at racial issues in the country and to me we put it on everything

and i'm always going to attack the middle ground with this because I think we actually take away from things we should be paying attention to because we try to make everything about race. And I think that's very detrimental to society. However, here's a great example. This is one where it absolutely plays in a role. Now, go away from the Shikari thing and look at what you pointed out with the person who gets arrested on wall street versus the person who gets arrested for crack if you don't think that this system this cycle that we've hit on other points today is a big problem in our entire system that is absolutely drawn technically on even if they didn't intend it that way though i think some of them did drawn on racial lines you're crazy of course it is and then you get to see it play out at a smaller scale like with consequences and the action but also at a larger scale publicly with shikari and then by the way not for nothing

the like woke megan rapinoe who the minute you inject a little economics into it like oh i make money on this now she doesn't care about racial issues i'm into people that care about things across the board i'm into people that are going to be able to have a conversation about things and do it from a level of common sense but also not being afraid with the uncomfortable conversations i'm not into people who do it for attention and then actively whether they realize they're doing it or not, don't have the presence of mind to realize like, well, I'm fucking playing right into the system I claim to fight against. And to me, like, I'd love to give a platform to that kind of thing in here where you

can see people who, you know, have been affected or had direct witness to like the crack cocaine epidemic versus like, you know, the Wall Street cocaine epidemic versus like you know the wall street cocaine epidemic and things like that and and what the difference is in in how it plays out over time and and the money the government makes off of the i guess former situation there you know as opposed to the latter it's it's it's very it's very sad yeah it's sad it's just i mean it's it's just it's just history it's like know, it's just history repeating itself. You know, we want to demonize people for habits and behaviors. So, you know, if you're going to do it this way, well, we're going to make the penalties harder and stricter if you convert that substance to a to a rock and then and then

consume it and then you're caught with it and and really all all i've seen right you know my mom taught elementary school in inner city philadelphia for 30 years so one of the a super interesting moment for me was when she taught first grade and I was in first grade and I was in her classroom and I got to experience what it was like to be, you know, one of the only white kids in a classroom. And for me, it was usually like an opposite, you know, it was, you know, mainly white kids in a classroom and you know a couple other kids that you know were in there that that chain changed the dynamic but that moment in her classroom was so eye-opening because I remember you know people not having a dad or like they would you know they would like i would just learn things and like well what what was what did it have to do with or like why and it's like drugs selling shit doing shit consuming things getting lost in this having no guidance it's like

it's real and and you know my mom always say, I want to give these kids the best eight hours of their day. You know, because, you know, they say when they're in my classroom, it's their favorite place to be. And it's like, I really think it comes down to parenting and it comes down to your parents having the awareness to know what they brought you into so if your parents can be self-aware enough to know that hey we live it we live in a in a environment that has drugs on the corner that has an uncle who sells pills or any of this crazy shit you hopefully have parents who have enough awareness to provide you with an education that they will know to say hey stay away from this. This will ruin your life. And it's not going to just ruin your life. It's going to ruin your future. It's going to keep you from your family. It's a lot of shit.

So I really believe even within the circumstances, parents need to have awareness to educate their children on the arena they're in. And it's similar with me. I'm grateful that I had parents that didn't pull punches, that were real, that told me what we could do, couldn't do within the confines of our family unit. And it helped me. They were great parents. They told me, if you're going to do this you'll get in trouble if you do this you'll fuck up your life yeah if you do this it's not going

to end well for you if you follow that path and what that person's doing it's not a good move so i think like you had two parents in the house yeah that's and it sounds like they were great parents and that's what i'm saying so it comes down to the parenting and then when you go into these these situations where there's a lot of you know fathers missing in in the in the inner city communities because of the things that they that might have been out of their control that they had to participate in. Because if you have nothing and you say, fuck school and you don't have a father figure and your mom might be working three jobs and who is going to influence you? Who is going to guide you who is going to push you who is going to be that masculine figure in life that either checks you encourages you pushes you makes you aware

you're making mistakes or whatever it is and it sucks and it's just just sad. And it's generational. And people need to take a stand and make a commitment. But there's so much in it, right? And it's the generations and generations of fatherless kids in the inner city. And I saw it at a young age. That's what I mean. Like when I was in first grade, in my mom's first grade class, and I saw how differently almost every one of those kids lived comparative to my privileged ability to be loved and guided by

two imperfect people, but decided to give me a shot and give me the tools and the information and the guidance I needed. And that's the difference. It's all parenting. It's all upbringing. It's all the values you have instilled in you. And that's why anyone who makes it from certain circumstances and overcomes that and gets through it and breaks through and and and and and is a model for anyone else there's there's not excuses there's there's just obstacles that you have to overcome and if you if you want something if you see someone who has a life that you aspire to have, you've got to try to figure it out. There's not always answers. You're going to fuck up.

You're going to fail. You're going to mess up. But I just really hope that we can find it in our hearts to be more empathetic to people's actual lives and what they went through to come to the present moment that they're in and if there's an opportunity to help someone or or or or share something with someone or just listen to someone do it you know you know and it's hard man well that experience that experience molded you at a young age you said you were in the same grade when you were first exposed to that i remember going to my mom's school you know even like even young but i remember like it very vividly when i was the same

age as her students in her classroom and just observing their reality and their normal and their day-to-day comparatively to my normal my day-to-day and my in my just like life and it it was it was just so surreal and it was a great moment for me because it was like just like it was gratitude yeah it was like you don't choose where you come into the world or who you come into the world to or your family or your circumstances but it is up to you to take what it is you're given, work through it, and then make some decisions and come up with a plan to either get out of it or not. You're raising a conundrum. I don't know if that's the word I want to put on it, but that's at least part of it

that has come up in some conversations in previous podcasts, but I try to hit on it when it does come up to point out how difficult some of these situations are. And that is this balance, and it's like a left versus right balance, too. The balance of you're fucked because of where you come from, and so you're never going to get out of it, so we got to help you, right? Versus the pull yourself up by the bootstraps. And I disagree with both. And I always point this out, and I think, and I don't want to put words in your mouth, so correct me at the end of this. you right versus to pull yourself up by the bootstraps and i disagree with both and i always point this out and i think and i don't want to put words in your mouth so correct me at the end of this if i'm wrong but you're hitting on the pieces of both themes that i that i try to and

i agree with heavily which is balance you need to be able to help places and the government needs to be a part of that that don't have the advantages of literally just like the zip code you live in and the number of people who live there and the environment that that can or cannot create. You also don't want to totally generalize those populations and say you don't have the ability to pull yourself up. You don't have the ability to pull yourself out. What about all the people who have? What about all the amazing people in pop culture could be ceos could be musicians everything in between what about all those people who effectively did it you're basically what's the word they use you're removing their agency like

as a person right you're removing the fact that they did do that so that means it is possible for other people what i don't want to fall into again is then say so it's possible for everyone pull yourself up by the bootstraps bitch well no because then that's a way to incentivize not doing anything about it and letting the same system stay in place and letting the same precedents take hold of households and so you know i i see this all the time from people who are so far removed from it or people like you who have had at least an experience on the inside and and it does make me think about some of my cousins because you know how long did you say your mom taught in the city

30 years that's awesome yeah that's awesome because it sounds like your mom you know that whole thing like I want to make this the best eight hours of their day your mom really gave a you know she cared yeah she's she i mean yeah she cared like my mom was scared so much she would pride herself in not taking like a sick day and it's because she just she just gave she just just gave everything now i'm sure that she probably experienced this and talked about it but I don't want to put words in your her mouth but I'll speak from like my cousins I've spoken with unfortunately a lot of the teachers do not have that mentality and you know like my cousin Aaron she cared about that so much she set up like workshops like in the summer that she would

physically have this is not like zoom like have parents come to you couldn't force them to but have them come to talk about like the education of their kids and different things at home they could do and you know sad to her that maybe i don't know i don't want to put a percentage on it but if i were guesstimating in my head maybe five ten percent of parents actually came but like they made the time for it and they and they did want to do it and even like single mothers who were working two jobs and supporting the household like they made the time for it and they and they did want to do it and even like single mothers who were working two jobs and supporting the household like they wanted that resource and she's like why aren't all teachers doing this you know you can't make them do it

and yet you know it just it does go to show you people can just get sucked into the environment that's around them and like there are guess what there were a lot of mothers who weren't there because they are working several jobs and they can't be there and they're trying to keep a roof over their kid's head should that parent be blamed if their kid gets into some trouble when they live in a neighborhood that has 10 000 people living within a quarter mile of them i don't think so you know but how do you fix it i don't know man like i don't have the answers for this stuff which sucks there's i don't i don't think there's answers i think i think it just really start it starts it starts in your community it starts in your family it starts in your unit and you know if you have a terrible family and a terrible upbringing it's tough it's just really hard the odds it's really

hard but you but all all i can say is if you're out there and you have it the worst and you just don't know what to do and you don't have the support of a mom or the support of a father or the support of anything then you need to find something within yourself at any moment to know that none of that defines you yeah that none of that is you that you never asked to be born. And the fact that you are born, that you are a human, and that you do matter to the world because we all matter. Everyone on this planet matters. If someone is suffering, then the collective is suffering more than it should

and if that person's suffering could be diminished then our collective suffering would be diminished and all i can say is like thank god we have resources right now and the internet and podcasts and YouTube and personalities that can help take place for what lacks in life. For example, in college, I didn't study a lot of the people i get to look at on some of the pictures on the wall in here you know like when i left college i studied the greats and in my opinion the goat steve jobs love it um love that because like he's amazing it's it's was amazing exactly and it's like it's like his story is is amazing adopted like like just unbelievable story and then it it showcases into his entire you know lifespan he also had amazing adoptive parents yeah exactly understood that like no

disrespect to them but their kid was a genius and there's a lot smarter than they were and they gave him they gave him the creative outlet to pursue his passions and that's that's a beautiful thing to me because the world got to see it because of that exactly exactly and and and and you know right parenting you know recognizing understanding. Same thing in a company, right? A good leader hires a good employee or a good manager or a good director and gets out of their way. Yes. A good parent recognizes something in a, and I'm not a parent, recognizes something in a child, let them go explore it. Yeah. Let them go test it. Let them go touch it. Let them go feel it. Don't tell them it's stupid. Don't tell them like, and you know, don't put your insecurities onto your kid. Don't let them not go after a dream because you exchange yours for whatever life you might be living now.

And if the parenting isn't there, you hopefully have some people around you that you can pull from a friend's parents uh uh uh uh uh uh you know someone that you you follow closely online right like there's so many mentors like you know someone that's great who's been great for me too like Gary Vaynerchuk he's a great mentor you know you you could study Steve Jobs you study Elon musks you study like these guys who just go and do and if those guys don't resonate with you there's someone out there who will like i just listened to this guy tell me his tell his story i might mess up his name but his like instagram handle is steven stephen so he was like early in social okay he is from england like poor poor like like a like a story that you hear and you're like how like how did this even happen okay he said a story where he was so poor he went to university university. He dropped out of university.

His mom said, if you drop out of the university, I'll never speak to you again. Dropped out because he said, why would I be in a school with the people next to me sleeping on the desk? Did all this shit, worked shitty jobs, lived in shitty neighborhoods, had no food. Talked about a time where he went into a pizza shop and put his hand into the cushion and found like some coins. And then he thought I could go into all the seats and find a bunch of coins. And he's like, wow, I could eat for two weeks that day. He went on to start a company called I think social chain. And it, got it it got it went public and then he he he left it and whatever and by the like whatever this was he came from the worst upbringing having no money

limited education limited resources limited this limited that and what he was saying on that podcast like i mean i'm telling it to you right now that's how much it stayed with me and it's you you are born into a situation you're born into an environment but you do not have to change the course of your life and if you have to make a mistake and one that is costly and you have to do whatever it is that you have to do then hopefully you learn from that mistake you know someone i follow closely that I think is a tremendous voice and providing value to communities and all communities is a guy by Wallow267 who did 20 years in jail. You know, he's from Philly. And he talks about this stuff all the time. He talks about this stuff all the time. He talks about this stuff all the time.

And he's such an amazing human being because of his ability to overcome everything he went through. Like 20 years in jail to come out, to know that he had the ability to go build this brand. I've never even met the man. I've walked by him a couple of times on South said yo wallow big fan but he's just someone who who went after his dream who learned and studied and took time of whatever he had to go through and said when i come out of this i'm going to get mine i'm fucking getting it yeah and i watch his shit he motivates me all the time because he came out of all that shit all that stuff that we talked about and he's making it he's making a name for himself

i really love what you're saying because we are drawn and we should be by the way to the comeback stories of the underdog stories, you know, and so you don't want to Remove the ability for those things to happen by once again Generalizing and painting a picture that is just no matter what bleak and you know Maybe the intentions of the people who do that for political gain or whatever aren't bad you know a lot of times they probably are it's probably advantageous for them to paint that picture but you know that that's also why we just see polar opposite and bad ideas in my opinion on these two parties because they don't find a way to negotiate that well it's not here but it's here you know it's not there but it's here. And I appreciate someone that can come on here

without me bringing that up and paint that picture. But to go back a little bit to what you were saying, I love that you've studied Steve Jobs and everything because he's one of the guys I've closely studied as well. And I love his story all the way around. And imperfect guy, by the way around and imperfect guy by the way certainly had a lot of flaws he could be a total he did some things wrong in his career but i like to look at the overall quality of what someone did and in my opinion you know it's

amazing yeah it's just a real story you know it's you know just making mistakes and just the self-awareness and growing into the man that you can become, you know, but when you, when you want to change the world and when you really want to make an impact and when you, when you have a vision of, of how to do it, it's hard to step out of that, you know? And, and that's why, like, you know, when I, when I, it's hard to step out of that, you know, and that's why like, you know, when I when I said school, and I'm really happy that you, you know, thought, you know, studied him and resonate with Steve Jobs, because some people are like, Oh, he was such an asshole, or he was this or he was mean, or

he like worked his employees too hard, or, you know, whatever it is, it's just like, he everything yes like that's the only way to say it he changed everything and even when he and then thing about him is too like he knew when he needed to to to come together with his competitors like he knew when he needed Bill Gates and Bill Gates knew when he needed Steve Jobs and no and like that's that like yin and yang type energy he had a short-term memory too he did he did you have to in business because sometimes like you know the person who that's what that's a crazy about it you know because like apple microsoft this and that the back and forth the the creating of this thing and this thing and the race and this

and it's like oh my god and then it's like well those brands are still here look what he did they're still doing it they're both titans of industry and change the game for forever i'll never forget getting my first iphone you know so yeah man that you know we look at like i always try to hit on the point that when you say art art is art is an idea it's not the medium you know picasso had a paintbrush steve jobs had engineers it's no different you know he he built in something to our lives you know he made us see ourselves in in the products and everything and he i mean i'll die on this hill i you look at the 21st century he lived for less than 11 years of it but you know so far he's by far the most important artist of this century and i say it like that not businessman artist in

fact sometimes he was a very good businessman to be clear but sometimes he would skirt the business for the vision you know and long term that's actually probably great business but short term sometimes it's not but you know you look at all the different examples i don't want to use the word examples but all the different things that he did in his career that people now look to for inspiration or to see what he did wrong on some stuff too and like not to totally turn it away here but to totally turn it away for a second you know one of the things that influenced how he looked at the world and his vision of how to create things was his acid trips that he took. I think several of them were in India and then out in the desert shortly after college.

And he was open about that. And again, this is before any of that. It's not mainstream now, but that was before any of that was even remotely mainstream. And like you look at the history of this stuff, first of all, before I go into this, I want to make sure too, because you and I didn't have a chance to talk about this, but how much are you pretty knowledgeable as well on like psychedelics and stuff like that yeah i mean it's something i definitely incorporate into studying and and being an advocate for uh i have a pretty solid knowledge of psilocybin mushroom magic mushrooms good okay and um you know it's something i incorporate into my life so so we could definitely talk about this then and i'm and this is what i did want to get to this before we get out of here but you know you look at that's one example but he shaped a lot of that through something that has been more stigmatized than the weed you know and I've never taken a NASA trip and

I've never you know even like to this day I I haven't had a moment yet where I'm like yeah I'm gonna take one you know it, it's for whatever. But I see it from so many different people, like influencers across culture over the years who have. And it's an interesting question to me because once you get into harder stuff, and acid I would definitely call harder than weed. I don't think it's close. You know, we start to get to the point where my one concern is that I'm always open to a new idea and we can talk about some of the things that they've figured out medically for like PTSD patients with psychedelics and stuff like that, which I think is awesome. But I always worry about the equal but opposite reaction in everything. So I don't think – I think it's pretty dumb when people just stand on a soapbox based on no empirical data and scream no drugs on stuff.

And what even is a drug, right? And they're just defining it based on what's been beaten into them since they were five years old and they have nothing to back up. I think that's bad. I worry about people hijacking a movement like what you're a part of and saying like, oh, it's all okay. And by the way, what I don't mean there is like some of the people who have advocated legalizing all drugs. I'm not saying that's my stance. I need to look at that much more, but I'm, I'm open to the things I've heard there. I think that's interesting. I'm not saying that though. I'm talking about the people who then come out and suddenly try to make arguments for drugs. Like, you know, if we're going to start hearing that, yo, you should do cocaine regularly or shit like that.

And I'm not saying I hear that, but I'm saying I worry about it getting there. So looking at like the psychedelics realm, which now is right behind weed and starting to become, like there's direct investment from corporations into it. The government, I think, is like commissioning studies on it as well. So there is, you can see the light at the end of the tunnel there how do you navigate educating on something like that as well

bringing it to the mainstream but also not encouraging abuse and not encouraging the quote-unquote slippery slope which exists in everything it's a loaded question let's say uh it's a i mean under like drug education is is is is terrible like right it's it's fear-based it's it's usually done from a law enforcement perspective, and it doesn't usually lead with anything positive in any way, shape, or form. I'm going to when I was a young kid and there was D.A.R.E. You remember D.A.R.E.? Yeah. I think we've

ripped them on you know it was like you know weed's a gateway drug to all of these harder drugs well let me tell you that's false and weed is actually considered an exit drug for a lot of people who have addictions to opioids and other and other substances that do not bring them value and ultimately start to to bring their life down instead of bringing it up where they want to be from using a substance that's hopefully going to manage their pain or something like that the reason i believe lsd mushrooms are are a schedule one and and weed and heroin heroin i believe is schedule one for a reason because i mean i'm grateful and you know my dad taught me about drugs growing up a lot about drugs because my dad loved loved certain things and um i was even more grateful when i got old enough to understand that when i was like seven or eight he just stopped using any drug like all of them and as an example as uh as he didn't want me to grow up around it

or like he didn't want me to be able to like remember him like high or stoned or just fucked up and i thought that was really really cool right agreed and you know he's he says to me still he probably said it to me last week if i had to do it all differently i would have left the hard drugs out of my life it's i i never needed more than that and to me the hard drugs that he would describe were cocaine and quaaludes uppers and downers yeah and he said the addictiveness to cocaine was was a terrible experience yeah it's like it's such a terrible experience because you go from doing certain amount to do this amount to doing it and then doing the dumbest shit you've ever done in your life so for me it's like it's all education so i got the brunt of my education from you know my dad giving me his experience on more so what not to do

and you know my choice to not get active in my cannabis consumption until i was 18 i mean like i hit like a blunt or something like before that but i never was like into my cannabis ritual and experience because i just saw some destruction from from drugs and that was because at that time like it was kind of all grouped together yes it was like oh my dad did and i had a problem with this and this and he liked to smoke weed and he liked to do this and this and this so it was whatever and it was like that helped me make my decisions. And I think helped me get through like those like young years in high school where peer pressure to me didn't, it wasn't even, there is no peer pressure. Like I didn't like drinking. I don't need to drink. Like, I mean like what?

Like, I mean, I don't need to try your what? I don't need to try your weed. I don't need to try your drugs. I didn't need any of that. It wasn't in my head space. And I think it was because I was taught that certain substances were bad in a way, at least when my father chose to indulge in them. Because I don't think drugs are good or bad i think it's the outcome from what you do after you consume a substance is good or bad and if you want to put the onus on the drug then that's a cop-out the the drug is the drug it's the person

i understand now okay you know it's like all that at first yeah it's like you know when you give rats two bottles to drink from and you put cocaine in the one and and regular water in the other they'll drink the cocaine water until they die yep that is the addictive nature of that substance we've all seen that most of us have seen that up close to it's an ugly thing it's it's it's it sucks it's it it it's it's sad because everyone says not gonna happen to me oh everyone says i got under control i got under. The next thing you know, why are you doing cocaine at 1 o'clock in the afternoon? Yep.

Where is your normal right now? So yeah, I was just grateful that I had that open, honest dialogue with my parents. He told you. You said like seven or eight years old too? You first had that convo? When you were young. He quit all the drugs when that like that age and you know i i remember him just educating me when i was young like nine you know whatever nine ten it's a good

dad yeah yeah he's a great i mean that's what i mean like shout out to to my parents they they're they're amazing and and what they what they did for me and and just how they were right but you know to get back to the question in a sense i don't think drugs are bad i think that when you use a drug and then you get a outcome from that drug it could be good or bad like some people have done cocaine once twice and they could say i had fun it was a good night yes i you know it's it was it was okay i had fun not it's not super for me but i'm gonna leave it there i'm gonna leave it there it's all in fairness too it is technically something and you don't know like my line was always very simple to explain this with drugs can kill me or can't and like i'll hedge on that and say like yes like

alcohol can kill me but like am i gonna drink 70 shots of tequila in a row or am i not right so like if it's something that i could die from i wasn't touching it and i think that's a very good line to have. And unfortunately, with something like cocaine, that is an issue you run into. You could be Len Bias. You could be the guy that tries it. Now, he might have done it other times too. But like you have one bad line, maybe something's in it, maybe something's not.

Maybe your heart doesn't react to it right. Like you're fucked. You're fucked. Yeah. You know, there's a big, big difference there. So, you know and there's a big big difference there so you know it's important we say that i i understand what you mean though when you're saying it's not the problem of the existence of the thing you know like you're right about that like you make the choice yeah and and and and when so when i when i was like taught that or I heard that or processed it, it's like a lot because you want to be like, oh, cocaine's so bad.

Well, it's bad if you abuse it. It's bad if you wake up in the morning and the first thing you need to do is a line of cocaine but if you like you do anything else like with alcohol and you can responsibly manage your drug usage okay good for you most people can't most people go down a slippery slope most people abuse a drug most people abuse sugar most people overeat most people don't exercise most people self-sabotage i mean what is a drug in my opinion sugar is a drug i know people that drink and eat so much sugar they don't know why they're sick all the time it's the sugar yeah no and it's it's all in the context of how how you are wired to view things. Yeah, and is sugar good or bad?

Because sugar is addictive. Yes, it is. Sugar is a drug. Sugar creates diabetes. Sugar creates hypertension and high blood pressure. Sugar creates sickness and disease. And sugar is in everything. And it's 100% legal.

And people can overdose on sugar every day. And then they can wind up 10 15 20 years from now at the doctor wondering why they're sick you probably shouldn't have drank coca-cola every day yes you probably shouldn't have drank all those sugary juices every day again again you know again where i'll push back is that the difference there in that example is that with sugar, it can take five, 10 years, right? If I pulled out four tablespoons of brown sugar right now, I'm going to be fine. I'll be all right. I might be a little wired, but I'm going to be fine. But technically, you can, and this is just a fact, you don't know how your body how your body reacts you can take cocaine once and die true it is true

and like you are i'll agree with you there are one of the most shocking things at college for me is how rampant cocaine was i knew with weed where'd you go to school of course i went to a school called bucknell oh yeah yeah and like it was i'm not picking on bucknell when i went to other campuses it was the same shit like the last people you would think try it did and i went through all college without having it and i'm pretty proud of that but like in fairness even though i would never recommend it let's be very fucking clear about that yes did i know some people who could have it once in a while and were fine and had no addictiveness to it, sure. But you don't know when you try it if you're going to be that person or not.

Like, you might not have been able to pick out of the line who was going to get addicted to it and who wasn't. And that's where the slippery slope is for me. And that's where, like, you know, I'm never going to blame the government. Even if we're going to have the conversation of the benefits of, like, all legalization, which I'm open to. Like, I'm not going to sit here and be like, the's bad for making that illegal like dude it fucks up people's lives i get it you know um i will get it like the racial disparity with it i'll fucking hit him on that all day and we already talked about that but you know i think it's also different as we've said all day it's different talking about weed i do see some differences too with

with the psychedelics and I need to educate myself a lot more on it and again I'm someone who's never done it I've never I've never done Molly I've never done a mushroom whatever like I'm a simple guy if I felt the need like a tattoo I don't have a tattoo I have nothing against tattoos I don't feel the need to get one you know what I mean that's okay but like know, now that I'm seeing a lot of people who, especially when they start talking about like the veterans and stuff who have severe trauma and have been under supervised environments with medical experts, micro-dosed on this stuff, which I'd love for you to talk about a little bit because I still, when I say those things, I don't

fully understand what I'm talking about. but they've seen dramatic results from that. And to me, I want to look at things that see positive results on lives. Again, I don't want to go as far as like the people who then equal but opposite and say, bring it all here. Let's encourage it. I don't want to do that. But I do want to look at the, at the where can we work this in you know so in the 1950s scientists and doctors were researching the the benefits as well as the you know you know the side effects of cannabis and or excuse me of psychedelics and they were studying lsd they they they had a lot of a lot of success in seeing how it could help with alcoholism and tobacco dependency and for whatever reason this is something i might have to look up a little bit more that research was was

eviscerated once we established the war on drugs and the scheduling of of these these drugs because you know what you said veterans right veterans veterans go through a lot of shit they deal with a lot of shit and coming back to a society that's not you know filled with violence and filled with with you know playing the defense or having to do unfathomable things it's hard to come back and feel like you are a part of something that you can understand or or be or be involved with so you know similarly to where we talked a little bit about cannabis like gives you that homeostasis that balance within you they've they've had people do one trip with with mushrooms or with an lsd and have seen substantial results yes and have seen people's lives change from one dose one

one therapy you know whatever it might be i mean we need to study this more we just need to study it more and more and more and more because really ptsd is your mind constantly fucking with you yes and you know someone who i got to spend some time with ways back um you know his name's leo bridgewater he's a new jersey cannabis advocate a veteran and someone who i have tremendous tremendous respect for he suffered suffered from PTSD. So he actually championed to get PTSD as an approved condition in Pennsylvania. And what he was suffering from is he just couldn't sleep. And the lack of sleep would ignite the PTSD. And it was really, really, really bad. So what he needed to do was he looked to find a product a cannabis product and that would help him sleep so he actually got to work with a local grower in

new jersey and come up with a strain and a and a flower product that would be specific to what he was dealing with so it would be you know a sedative it would it would make him relax and it would help him sleep when you are able to find something that helps you and changes the course of your life i mean like we should be like we should it should be required for for people coming out of a highly escalated situation and very sensitive to what they just experienced. to assimilate back into where you aren't looking over your shoulder where you aren't going to get a bomb dropped on you right now to where you can sleep to where you can take the edge off i think i think it's crazy i will say i disagree i get worried about words like requirement with stuff which i don't want people to take out of context what i mean there but i don't think you should ever be forcing people to have to put something you know a drug in into their body and stuff and like i'll use an example just relevant right now you know i firmly believe

in the vaccine and that bill gates is not putting a microchip in my blood and i it was an easy decision for me to get vaccinated i disagree with a lot of the anti-vax sentiment that gets put out there but i understand when people at least get pissed off at the fact that it is you know the slippery slope of control as to what they can do with their body is out of control. I will agree with them there. And unfortunately, I think it fuels a lot of that. So I, it's just very unfortunate to me because I've never, I've gotten vaccines my whole life. I believe in them. It didn't fucking do anything to me. Like that's what I want people to do. But I think the government kind of purposely doesn't want people, some people to do it. I think they want to get all the people

who are anti-authoritarian to then speak out and divide people that's just my theory but you know when i when i look at this stuff i don't ever want to get to the point where we're saying you have to do this or have to do that where i would come to where you are is do i think that there should be options put on the table for people that are proven over time yes yeah i do i think in a way what i was trying to say is like when you come out of those environments and i'm sure you have to sit with like a counselor or a therapist or there's like some sort of coming to michael or there's some sort of like there's some sort of thing that helps you assimilate back into the society that you that you left one of the good use cases of of psychedelics is when you is when you incorporate a psychedelic

and talk therapy so what i was what i was in i guess in my head thinking didn't articulate it well enough is that if there was that use case to where when you come back to assimilate if there was an option to utilize a mushroom an lsd formulation to help people actually talk through this experience that they went to that's been proven yeah yeah that's like okay we're going to give someone this small micro dose we've had 50 people come through and do this we've studied this most of them opened up they had a breakthrough they were able to talk about what they did they were able to say what they felt what they they all these things right and that's where that substance helps a little bit it helps it helps break down what you think you're supposed to feel or supposed to do or supposed to say. It kind of shreds the construct of everything that is.

So I'm saying if there was a way that we incorporated these substances and stopped demonizing these substances and allowed them to do their thing and could give them to the people that really go through the most traumatic shit mentally when you're thrown into a war or into an area that is is just just filled with things that you know not many people would ever want to go through or see or experience maybe one time maybe in a hundred years there'll be a a option for someone to have, have a, have a therapist and that therapist could say, Hey, we have an option here for you to take this, this capsule of a hundred milligrams of psilocybin. You're not going to, you're not going to trip. You're not going to do anything. It's just going to make you feel a little bit more calm inside to open up so we can actually have a breakthrough here and get to what's actually

bothering you because if we don't break through on what's actually bothering you then this therapy is going to go for nothing yeah it's the breakthrough moments from psychedelics that i think provide a lot of its value it's it's like everyone wants to break through in a way like, you know, break through this, break through that, break through our depression, break through our anxiety, break through this chronic pain, break through this rut we're in, you know, get to the next level here. How do we have the breakthroughs? Sometimes you need a little assistance. And if, you know, we could give that assistance to the people who are keeping us safe and, you know, protecting freedoms and, and putting their lives at risk, then I'm for that.

But yeah, I agree with you. You shouldn't have to put anything in your body that you don't want to. There should be the choice to put it in your body, what you want to put in your body. And outside of that, I'm hopeful. I'm optimistic. I think you should be. I think, look, there's a lot, as we said at the beginning, there is a lot of work left to be done,

and we're not far enough on some things that should be common sense at this point. But from where we were a decade ago, that's a very good sign. And, you know, guys like you are playing a huge role in that. And we just did, like, pretty close to three hours, I think, looking at the clock. that's a very good sign and you know guys like you are are playing a huge role in that and we just did like pretty close to three hours i think looking at the clock so you know if i kept going down that rabbit hole with you we'd be here for another two or three so do it again soon yeah dude we we got to close it up but listen man this was highly highly informative i'm gonna have to comb through this one a bunch we we got into some some pretty touchy waters too yeah with some stuff i

like that yeah me too bro and uh you know really thank you for having me oh hell yeah dude you know i really appreciate it so you know and shout out to dill for the for the introduction shout out famous dill go cop that crypto rich album and yeah baby you know go stream his shit on spotify he was like he was like dude you got it you got to talk to the Jewish Sauce Boss. And I'm like, I don't even know what that person does, but unless they're like a murderer, I want to talk to them based on the name. So he's like, yeah, man, you'll like him. Yeah, man.

Well, no, thanks, man. Thank you. You know, listen, my name is Will Edelstein. The company is called Jewish Sauce Boss. You can reach out to us anytime. What's the ad on Instagram again? It's Jewish Sauce Boss at Instagram, jewishsauceboss.com,

and we're available, guys. I love it. I love it. Well, thank you again, and thanks for providing a lot of information. I'm going to check out a bunch of the sources that we went through today, too, because like I said,

there's some things like, I'm sorry if I sound stupid on some things. It's because I am. No, this is a new realm too. And even me, like someone who lives in this arena and spends a lot of time in it, I'm learning so much. And I don't ever mind when someone teaches me or corrects me on something that I might not be saying the best, but definitely doing my best to share the information and educate myself along the way too

because the science is vast the the the plant is vast and the ability to change people's lives is really here and the time is now and I just hope we get some people out of jail and you know that's kind of where I'll leave it, my bro. Well, you're, you're, you're doing a great job and thanks for coming here to do it. So I appreciate it, bro.

Thanks brother. Yeah. All right. And everybody else, you know what it is. Give it a thought. Get back to me. Peace. so