Julian Dorey Podcast - #75 - One Week In America: Kyle Rittenhouse, Andrew Coffee, & Julius Jones (The “I Have Covid” SOLO POD)

Episode Date: November 24, 2021

In his final days recovering from Covid, Julian does his first Solo Podcast in over a year and discusses the wild past week in America –– and the *THREE* cases that define the current state of society: Kyle Rittenhouse (the headliner) –– and two cases you might not have heard much about (Andrew Coffee and Julius Jones). ***TIMESTAMPS*** 0:00 - Julian talks about the treatment the Doctors gave him to battle Covid; The importance of doing your own research and not just listening to shows like this; Reviewing what happened in Kenosha and the Rittenhouse case basics; Rittenhouse acted in self-defense, but he is not a hero 16:41 - The misinformation-laden responses to the Rittenhouse  verdict; Amber Ruffin’s take on Rittenhouse; The Rittenhouse case had nothing to do with white supremacy; Reviewing and clearing up the common “myths” thrown around about the case; Breaking down President Biden’s response to the case 32:24 - The Andrew Coffee Case: What happened, Why he acted in Self-Defense –– and why it’s a symbolic comparison with Kyle Rittenhouse’s case; The Complete Breakdown of the Julius Jones case and Governor Stitt’s last minute commutation of his execution; Why The Twitterati Two (Jack Posobiec and Matt Walsh) are hypocritical (using their takes on the Jones case vs. The Rittenhouse case as a central example) 52:53 - Julian reads and reacts to a tweet that attacked the video of BLM and Kyle Rittenhouse supporters sharing pizza and having friendly, civil discourse outside the courthouse in Kenosha, Wisconsin; The beauty of occupying the middle ground of politics; Why is nobody talking about the Ghislaine Maxwell (Jeffrey Epstein) Case???; Julian talks about an UNBELIEVABLE TAKE Comedian Jim Breuer had on society last week ~ YouTube EPISODES & CLIPS: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0A-v_DL-h76F75xik8h03Q  ~ Get $100 Off The Eight Sleep Pod Pro Mattress / Mattress Cover: https://eight-sleep.ioym.net/trendifier  Julian's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/julianddorey  ~ Beat provided by: https://freebeats.io  Music Produced by White Hot Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

We're spending all our time talking about a fucking 17-year-old kid who shouldn't have been someplace and shot some people after he got attacked instead of the fact that Ghislaine Maxwell is on trial right now for an international sex trafficking operation that her partner Jeffrey Epstein allegedly now, allegedly, is dead. Killed himself, air quotes, and therefore isn't here to be able to answer for it. And who allegedly has dirt on every single, not every single, but a ton of powerful people around this world at the highest levels of government and pop culture and anything. We're not paying attention to that trial. Hmm. This is one of the great questions in our culture. Where's the nuance? You're giving opinions and calling them facts everyone understands this but few seem to do it if you don't like the status quo

start asking questions what's cooking everybody you didn't think covid was gonna get me did you come on come on this show is just getting started i can't be taken out by covid so soon but yes i i did have it and that is why i am actually believe it or not doing a solo episode i swear to god i was never gonna have to do one of these ever again but here we are because while i am now coming out the other side i still have a couple days left of the whole quarantine thing and i had to cancel all my guests over the past 10 days or so so you just get me today but yeah not fun to have it very very interesting that i had to take my

vax pass to go to an all vax wedding and then following that to an All Vax bar in New York City just to come home with COVID for the first time. That was certainly interesting to say the least, but that's neither here nor there. Anyway, we're alive. We're back. We're kicking. Got a few things to talk about. I am certainly not going to do the regular three hours or anything like that. I can't even stand listening to myself talk for like 10 minutes, let alone like 45 or whatever we'll do today. But I made a promise when this podcast began that I would give you an episode every week. And at some point, you know, three years in or something, I might take a vacation for a week or two. So forgiveness for that ahead of time.

But for now, while we're building, we put out episodes when we say episodes are coming out so i have been working on my schedule we're gonna have a very good slew of guests that are pretty much booked out for the next eight weeks or so so i'm excited about that we'll be back to the whole guest format but in an effort to give the episode this week and do it myself it does seem pretty fitting that it came on a particularly what I would call annoying news story in America that everyone's getting worked up about. Unfortunately, myself included. I tried not to. I really did. I tried not to for a long time. And then eventually everyone's fucking talking about it on twitter so you have to but yeah it's coming during the whole kyle rittenhouse thing and that is not the only thing we're going to talk about today i just think that it is a topic that presents an enormous opportunity to point out the massive hypocrisies of biased people that exist in this

country and yes i'm calling out anyone in this country who is biased and hard in a direction of of political theater which is pretty much what i term it as these days so oh where to begin with this first of all i'm very grateful that i had covid during the whole final week while the journey was deliberating. So there was at least some of that I could sleep through, but I was starting to get a little better after the result came back on Friday. Cause by the way, I didn't even mention this. I got those monoclonal antibodies. I was calling a monoclonal until about an hour ago and someone corrected me, but they're called monoclonal antibodies. And you go to the hospital, they put like a,

they put like an IV in you. They drip this thing into you for like 10 minutes and then watch you to make sure you don't die. And then you walk out of there and I got to tell you, like it worked. It was really almost like, it felt like when people talk about getting really drunk and then getting an IV, like when rich people do that whole thing. I've never done that, but this is always how I imagined it would feel. Like you're feeling very shitty and then you just get this clean thing in your body and you just kind of feel like refreshed. So it didn't kick in like right away. I still kind of felt shitty, but I felt like at least a little lighter right afterwards. And then that was on Friday evening. And then Saturday morning when I woke up, I noticed, oh, okay, I got a little pep

in my step, a little better. So it started to get better from there. But anyway, back to this whole thing. So I was starting to come out of it a little bit because friday was like a little better when i was heading in there to get that treatment monday tuesday and wednesday had been nasty and thursday but i i got stuck on friday night going through twitter inside and out and going down every single rabbit hole of everyone with the goddamn opinion who wants to shout it to the rooftops about this case. And of course, I just got madder and madder when I was doing it because that's what happens when you look through Twitter. But it is – the reason I say it is a great opportunity to take a look at where we stand here is because of the utter stupidity of biased opinions that were being put out there without any facts. So I'm going to relate this to a couple other totally separate trials as well. We're just

going to start with Rittenhouse because there are two other trials, and there's more than that, but there are two other trials that just went on that I've done, at this point, I would say, very good research on that I was not as fully aware of before last week one of them i did know about the other one i had no idea about so again very important you go out and actually look this stuff up but there were two other trials i want to get to to kind of wrap this all around and show why everyone ends up showing their ass like even if they're right about something or more right than wrong about something they end up being wrong on the next thing because now it doesn't fit their needs. Kind of a convoluted way of saying it, but you'll see what I mean.

So, by the way, as I just alluded to right there with the whole research thing, let me just get this out of the way out front because I'm going to rip on people for not doing their research today. Listening to me talk about this, despite the fact that I am going to at least list off a few sources here, and I will let you know what those links are and everything. Even just listening to me and then drawing a conclusion from that is a problem. Don't do that. Go out, read everything on the right, read everything on the left, and then try to find the things that are in the middle. I just read both sides. I do what I can do and I go from there. And I end up reading a lot a lot of volume on things that I really care about that I want to be well informed on. And so I would say I'm still getting there even with Rittenhouse because there's so much shit out there to say nothing of all the evidence that they have with the video and the analysis of it and things like that.

But it is just so important that you actually take the time to look past the headlines, look past the tweets, and actually try to make sense of it yourself and draw your own conclusions. I always say that, but especially if I'm just the one talking to you in this episode, it's a very, very important disclaimer. But on this case, let's start with the right wing because they're less wrong on this one. They're more in the correct on this case than they are wrong. The left is a little more wrong about the Rittenhouse one, so I'll get to them. But on the right side, they're correct to say that, in my opinion, that this was a self-defense case. I'm not going to go through every single particular of the evidence. Again, I would encourage you to please review that yourself,

including the videos. But just as a very broad outline, there were three, quote-unquote, main victims, so to speak here two were killed one was injured with a shot in the arm the first victim joseph rosenbaum was killed when he chased down kyle in a parking lot and and maybe i'll put that video in the corner too so you guys can see that while i'm talking and it's it's like a drone videos from far away but he chased down kyle in a parking lot went in between cars and then was lunging for Kyle's gun as One of the key witnesses right there on site also pointed out also appears to be that way on the video and Kyle turned around And shot him because they were kind of pinned between cars and he died

obviously very unfortunate that anyone has to die and I'm gonna get to the whole way that this should have never fucking happened, but In my opinion you look at that pretty clear self-defense The next two where you had a killing and an Injury and the person was injured the the gauge guy or however you say his name he testified as well at the trial because he's alive to testify. But Kyle had killed Rosenbaum. And so all this craziness is happening in the streets. And so he has people running after him like, oh, you killed this guy, whatever.

And so he runs up the street and then he's greeted, for the fuck you want to say it by all these other protesters and the first guy i believe his name was anthony huber i don't have it in front of me but he attacked kyle with a skateboard so he had a skateboard and he ran at him and hit him over the head with the skateboard knocked him on the ground now this is a blunt force object Kyle Rittenhouse is a 17 year old kid he doesn't look like he particularly benches a lot either I mean he probably benches okay but you know I don't want to rip the kid totally doesn't look that strong is is the bottom line but he's on the ground and immediately I think in a span of one second, fired four shots because he was very clearly in danger.

That is completely on video. You can see it. That one, I don't know how anyone can make a case that he didn't do exactly what anyone else would have done in that situation right there. The last victim, the one who lived, then approached him with a handgun and kyle didn't kill him but he shot him in the arm and stopped this guy from killing him that one's really straightforward so you look at this whole thing and you're like all right this is very straightforward it's self-defense sure it was here's where my issue comes in with all the right wing flipping out about this case. You guys are making him a hero. He is not a fucking hero. He's also not a villain. I feel bad for the kid. I hope he could just kind

of go about his life and fucking do good in the world. Take his opportunity now to be a good person. But let's get this straight. He was a dumb fucking 17-year year old kid who should have never fucking been there never been there period period never should have showed up there's no good that could come of that there's no good you want to protect a few businesses okay someone else will do it the 17 year old is you and the gun thing is a whole separate thing too, and that's, there are some questions there. He did technically not break the law in Wisconsin, but, you know, and I'm a huge, that is one issue I'm very conservative on, is guns. I'm to the right of Ted Cruz on guns. But as far as people from a reasonable opinion who could have an argument that, like, that's a dumb law and he really shouldn't have been able to have that gun i could see that i could see that and unfortunately for them the

the laws of the law and i think that one was even that full charge was dropped at the trial i think but check me on that i'm not sure i don't remember anyway there was no good that could come of that and when when i i may have started to say this a second ago see when when you don't do this whole like solo pod all the time you can't remember like if you said something or didn't i mean the the people that do this i have so much respect for it because it's fucking impossible just talk to yourself for 45 minutes but if i repeat myself a couple times my bad i'm not the pro at this one i'm the i'm the pro at talking to people hopefully but when you're young a lot of our parents mine did i know a lot of my friends did

used to teach you a very common concept of what judge the good and the bad the pros and the cons that can come from a situation before you you go to do something, ask yourself, is there anything good that can come of this? If the answer is no, turn the fuck around and don't do it, period. If the answer is yes, but, you need to weigh how big the yes is and how big the but is. So let's even be conservative here and say that there was a slight yes, and that yes was oh i can protect

some businesses from being burned down by looters and rioters which by the way for people that didn't know background of what was going on this was a protest in kenosha wisconsin kenosha kenosha over the whole jacob blake shooting that happened back in august 2020 so this was right afterwards and a lot of these protests that ended up with businesses being burned to the ground and stuff and so local businesses were on high alert and there were people sent out to protect them so maybe there was some good to see that he was protecting businesses that said there is the whole gun issue which you can't tell me he 100% knew that law and knew that it wasn't against the law for him to have that gun i don't give a fuck what he tells me there's no way he knew that for sure even if he ended up being right that was like

a wait this is probably wrong for me to do this secondly you're just asking for trouble what are you going to get shooting a protester who's got you know half of them probably have two hundred thousand dollars of student debt and live in a hut you know like they're just pissed off right they're very pissed off people there's no good to come of that it's not going to stop protesters from coming after that there's just going to be more now you. Unfortunately, there's some things in life that, due to what the laws allow us as citizens to do, you just have to leave to the pros. I'm not saying you have to like it. I hate that.

But you got to do it. And there's a reason why not everyone else was out there with a fucking gun. And by the way, when I say he's not a hero and another reason there was like a message that a mass message that was sent out from like a local militia group or something saying we're going down there to protect businesses tonight or whatever and they were offering payment and this is i believe this was a part of the evidence so kyle and his friend they thought that if they went down down there, they were going to get paid. So he was also going down there for money, too. It's just stupid. the fuck are you talking about this this is not you want to die on the hill of all right let's not let the mob prosecute someone outside of court to get a result in court and set a bad precedent fine and we're going to get to that energy in a minute where they don't put it everywhere but that's fine don't then make him out to be a saint and

a martyr, which by the way, also isn't even fair to him because there's no way he could live up to that. So it's a prime example of when you see your ideology attacked and you look for the God in the situation and you tend to, first of all, no one's a God. And then you tend to put it in someone who's the last person you should be putting it in there. And so I just don't, I don't see it. I don't understand why there's this huge, like, contingent around him online. Again, let the kid go live his life. Let him go live his life. Now let's get to the left side. The thing that has annoyed me beyond belief about the left in this particular situation is that it is so fucking clear to me that they have done absolutely zero research on the case. just be lying to fit their own political beliefs i think though before people just assume that i literally think more of them just literally haven't looked at the case so i'm gonna play a

video to start because i there were all kinds of people i could have cited on this but this one really encaptured everything and it's it's this woman amber ruffin who has a show on on peacock tv the streaming service and you're gonna hear her talk about this case and list off a few different not all of them but a few different falsehoods about it and paint it as a whole clear white supremacy issue and i'm gonna loop in some other cases around that after this to go in a couple different directions there about where we stand with that in our country because i'm i'm in the middle on that issue i think we have some issues i just don't think it's 1840 right now i also don't think we have no issues. Again, I think we have some issues. But I want to play this because she gets emotional.

And the easy thing for people to do to rally up support on the right side here would be to instantaneously laugh at her and call her a liar and all these things. I don't think someone, many people, are capable of being this fucking good of an actor. And I'm going to play the clip down, then we'll keep talking about it after. But here it is. You guys, because I have my own show, I have a responsibility to say things that people need to know that aren't being said.

It's a cool opportunity that I don't take lightly. There are very big, obvious truths that no one wants to say on TV, but I will. Now, just a few minutes before we started taping the show, Kyle Rittenhouse, the man accused of shooting three people during a Black Lives Matter protest, was declared not guilty on all charges. So I can't believe I have to say this, but... It's not okay for a man to grab a rifle, travel across state lines... See, she is emotional. ...and shoot three people and then walk free. We're going to get to that myth, though. It's not okay for the judicial system to be blatantly and obviously stacked against people of color.

It's not okay for there to be an entirely different set of rules for white people. But I don't care about Kyle Rittenhouse. I don't care about Kyle Rittenhouse. I don't care about that racist judge, and I don't care about how f***ed up that jury must be. White people have been getting away with murder since time began. I don't care about that. I care about you, and I can't believe I have to say this, but you matter. You matter. Every time one of these verdicts come out it's easy to feel like you don't but i'm here to tell you that you do you matter you matter so much that the second you start to get a sense that you do a man will grab a gun he shouldn't have in the first place and travel all the way

to another state just to quiet you that's the power you have so don't forget it okay a lot to unpack there so let's start with what i alluded to right before which is the emotion if you watch that she she's emotional she is she she's she's a black woman and she feels a certain type of way about this and she has put it in her head that this is how it went down and and so therefore this was not self-defense and kyle rittenhouse is evil and the the the system is stacked against black people now i don't think the system has been great for black people at all i talk about that a lot on this show i think we have a lot of work to do. I will also see where some things do work, and we're going to get to that in a minute. supremacy issue which is what she and not just amber here but many other people have done why

are you doing that when this was a white kid who shot three white people that's it the only way that they're doing that is by stretching in the fact that if this were a black person they would have been found guilty again we're going to get to that in a second i i actually i could see where they might be right about that but we have a little case that happened the other day at the same time where the opposite happened for a black person on trial correctly i might add where they were anyway i'll get to it but you are making it out to be something that it is not. You are stoking the tensions. And I mean, some of the quotes there, this is where I do get a little bit like, come on, dude. Where she's like, white people will be getting away with murder forever and shit.

It's like it gets to the point where you're attacking people on the basis of their race, which I don't care what race you are that that's never it's never the right thing to do it's okay to joke about stuff it's okay to also point out some some things that are true but the the the vitriol behind what she said there in my opinion was was pretty clear and i didn't appreciate all of that but more importantly if you are someone like amber and you are on an international streaming platform you have producers you have a whole setup all these things that someone like me someone like pretty much all of us don't have you literally have zero excuse for not knowing the facts now Now, when that video was playing, I think I made a comment where I'm like, she just pointed out a myth right there.

There are several myths about this case, but when they start talking about, I mean, the biggest one is when people start literally reporting, A, that Jacob Blake, who was the reason this whole thing was going down, was killed by police. He wasn't. He's still alive today. He's paralyzed, but he's still alive. B, when they also have pointed out, and this has happened in literal news sources, and it's happened on live TV where people point out that they were shooting black people. No, Kyle was shooting white people.

Now, sidebar, you've heard a lot of people say that the two people who died were not particularly great people particularly the first guy joseph rosenbaum who was a convicted child molester and also had checked out of a mental institution that day so he was not a good person nor was he a well person if kyle had shot him in cold blood that wouldn't matter i mean you might feel a little less bad that it was him that got in not some regular innocent person but it wouldn't matter he'd be guilty of murder and he should go go to jail forever but he shot him while he was getting chased and the guy was lunging at his gun, and this was a crazy person. This was an unwell person who was also described by – I forget the one witness's name, but the guy who had interviewed Kyle almost right before this shooting happened on camera for some news outlet. He was right there, and he was also around Rosenbaum a bunch, and he was like, this guy was riling everyone up.

He was looking for a fight. He was trying to to cause problems and that helped ridden house's case but if you're going to talk about it from the lens of where this all happened come come with the facts get your producer team to go in there and actually figure out what went on so i actually found an article from business insider which is a shitty you know corporatey it would be a shitty source in my opinion on a lot of things but even they seem to get this right and straight to the point very clearly and i i'd like to read some of these but it's called six myths surrounding the kyle rittenhouse trial debunked. Okay, so let's start with myth one. Kyle illegally brought a gun across state lines.

A lot of people, and I don't believe Amber said this part there, but a lot of people said like his mom drove him there to shoot people. His mom did not drive him there but anyway perhaps the most persistent myth surrounding the case is the idea that riddenhouse then 17 brought an ar-15 across state lines riddenhouse lived 20 minutes outside kenosha in antioch illinois his illinois residents helped spur rumors that the teenager traveled to wisconsin with his rifle illegally in tow but during the trial riddenhouse testified in court that he drove himself from his home in illinois to kenosha on august 24 2020 the day before he fatally shot two men the gun was already being stored at a friend's house in Kenosha according to police records and court testimony so he was already there he didn't just drive there for this thing this whole thing was going down like live

myth two Kyle Rittenhouse possessed the weapon illegally Rittenhouse and his friend Dominic Black testified to Black who was 18 at the time, and by the way, this is where I was alluding to earlier, like the law is a little weird with this, and I could see people having some problem with that, I understand, but here's what it is. His friend Dominic Black testified that Black, who was 18 at the time, used Rittenhouse money to purchase the weapon at a Wisconsin hardware store in May 2020. The two reportedly agreed that Black would keep the gun until Rittenhouse turned 18 in January 2021, according to court testimony. So he was using it before his 18th birthday, as we know. Black is now being prosecuted for participating in the

illegal straw purchase of the weapon on behalf of Rittenhouse, but Rittenhouse's possession of the firearm at the time was technically legal. Earlier this week, Judge Bruce Schroeder, so he did, yeah, he threw out a count of possession of a dangerous weapon by a person under 18 after written house's defense argued the rifle was not short barreled capitalizing on an exception to the wisconsin statute involved in the barrel length of the gun and the other issue here that i was also trying to point out is like the whole age thing and like is he even allowed to use it if he doesn't own it and he's below 18 wisconsin laws were a

little weird on that so again like he was okay under their laws but yeah that was that was another stupid decision hence why again like i'm not sitting here calling this kid a hero myth three kyle riddenhouse's mother drove him to the protests in kenosha that we already kind of covered she didn't drive him there he he was there a day ahead of time and then what was the final myth i think they were only like they had an uncertainty and then they had another myth so i think there were only like five in here but they said six red house went downtown on august 25th to answer a call to arms put out by a kenosha militia group oh they said this was a myth so strike what i said a few minutes ago i'm not sure about that kenosha guard militia group on facebook did issue a call to arms ahead of the violence on August 25th,

but the tech company later confirmed that Rittenhouse had not been a follower of the flag page. This is what I got mixed up. So my bad. A few minutes ago, I got this mixed up. Rittenhouse testified that he and Black went downtown because they were invited to guard the car source, Kenosha Car Dealership, during the unrest and were under the impression that they were going to be paid. So look at that. Even I got something wrong talking about this damn thing on here, hence why you have to do your own research. But I had it halfway.

He thought he was getting paid to be down there. The militia group did send out something, but he wasn't even following the page. So he was just going down there to get paid and protect the the business and play hero and that's that's not what it is so oh no there is one more sorry there were six kyle riddenhouse is a self-identified white nationalist and then below that just says exactly what you think he's not so anyway these are the types of things that the people have not looked at these are the types of things that people have not looked at. These are the types of things that I wonder if people ever even, it's clear to me, they never really watched the videos. I mean, what is someone supposed to do?

And there were people outside the courthouse who were just there watching who weren't protesting on either side or anything, who were just like, wow, this is wild, who were being quoted as saying, like, yeah, I don't know what else he's supposed to do. Like, he's already there. That was dumb, but that's not a crime. And then, I mean, the last thing you do when someone has a gun is go for it. And the first guy went for it.

And then the next two guys, what's the other last thing you do when someone has a gun and you don't? Attack them with a blunt force object that could kill them. Because guess what? Now he's got a quicker way to kill you. And if his life's in danger and he's on the ground he's going to do it so that's what he did so seeing the perpetual misinformation come out i mean he was labeled as an example of a white supremacist last year and seeing the court of public opinion try him and consider him a monster for so long when if you just looked at the evidence you know you don't have to sit here and say the guy's like a good guy or a bad guy he just

he just made a dumb decision and was there and then other people attacked him and that's not that's not on him unfortunately even if you want it to be when you see all the people putting this out it it makes you wonder about how gullible our society is and probably one of the worst things i saw was what happened with biden on friday because joe biden i guess was coming off a marine one or something on the south lawn shortly after the verdict came down and so on camera the press pool got to him and said hey did the final decision with written house just came down what do you think and i thought he gave a very good answer

he sent joe binds a lifelong lawyer he's he's been this whole weird time we're living in he's been a lifelong moderated kind of political guy and so he gave an answer that i respected and it was something along the lines of look the jury has spoken they made their decision and we will abide by it the system works it works that's exactly what i want the president to say in a difficult situation if it's the oj simpson okay, maybe I could see an exception there. But again, maybe there's no exception.

Maybe that's what you have to say every time, including that. But that is the exact down the middle objective thing that a president should say, great leadership. Then he goes into the White House. So now Biden's in the White House and 90 minutes later, what do we get? We get a written statement on his Twitter feed that I'm not going to read because I don't have it up that says all these things that are signaling the complete opposite, like how sad and sorrowful he is over this, how much it must anger people. And I understand you may want to riot, but we're going

to have safe streets. Don't do that, which is like, wink, wink. I know you're going to do that already. And it's like, he didn't write that that he didn't want to put that out you got the honest biden opinion when he got off the marine one and then he went in the building and his whole fucking team and administration and handlers or whatever decided no no no this is what we're gonna say that's a problem to me that's another huge problem So I could go on and on about this all day, but I said there were two other cases. And so I'm going to get to them now. The first case that I want to point out is a case that I knew absolutely nothing about, didn't know this person existed until Friday, because it happened to line up with the,

with its decision coming down at the same time that Rittenhouse did. It came down Thursday or Friday, so same time. And it's this guy, Andrew Coffey, in Florida. Andrew Coffey is a convicted felon, and I looked up what his felonies were. It's going to sound bad after I tell you what the case was. But his felonies were from, like, 2010 and 2012, where it was resisting arrest, I think, or something like that. And then the second one was battery on a law enforcement officer. So the reason I say it's going to make this a little more interesting

is because he was on trial for, I think it was a couple homicides, of police officers, and he was acquitted. There was one charge he was found guilty of, possessing a gun as a convicted felon. So he's had time served. I think he's going to do a little bit of time on that. I actually, I'll get to that in a minute, but I hope the judge, I think this guy is like a decent-ish guy. I don't know.

Just my kind of read on it. So I hope the judge is like, look, you've been through hell for four years. Look, you shouldn't have the gun, but the gun also may have inadvertently saved your life having it. I don't know. Anyway, he was acquitted of all the major charges, which were the homicides. And if you review the case and the facts of it, it's 100% correct. The jury did a great job and different kind of case in the same ballpark though of self-defense as kyle rittenhouse and for the same reasons a white guy kyle rittenhouse

i will say the same thing and a black guy andrew coffee i'm going to say the same thing because the color of skin should have absolutely nothing to do with it just like everything else in this country should have nothing to do with the color of our skin i understand that unfortunately we still live in times where that happens, but this is an example of where the system actually worked on the same day, in my opinion. So Andrew Coffey was in his home when police were executing a search warrant for his father. Not for him. His father was dealing with oxycodone and all that shit.

But anyway, it's in the the morning he's there with his girlfriend and he wakes up and he sees a barrel of a rifle through his window and he thinks he's getting robbed so he grabs the gun and starts shooting back where where the guns are and unfortunately his girlfriend was killed as the cop shot like i don't know, 15 in there, 20 in there or something. She gets killed. He lives. He clipped her and killed her. I forget, actually, if it was one or two.

But there were homicides of police officers from his gun. So he's put on trial for this. Convicted felon whose felonies have to do with law enforcement tussle-ups and found to be not guilty. Because what the fuck else was he supposed to do? Now, they'll say he wasn't supposed to own a gun because he's a convicted felon. Well, too late. He already did. And guess what?

He woke up and was in life-saving mode. Because he's like, I'm about to die. I see guns. That's not normal. he didn't know it was a warrant he was not awake when the warrant started he wakes up hearing a lot of heavy noises sees guns and he shoots if you have a gun next to you you're doing the same fucking thing 90 percent of you i'll even be conservative i'll say 9 out of 10 of you are doing the same thing. And so this was a guy who went out to trial for that. Again, killing cops, that's always...

You know, the judicial system protects that a lot. I'm not saying that's the right thing to do, but they do. Found not guilty. So on the same day, Amber Ruffin's talking about how you matter and this system is is a white supremacist system that in similar situations would never find a black person innocent or not guilty on the same day you you had a black person found not guilty in a red state, too. This was in Florida, in a Florida court.

You had him found in the same place that acquitted George Zimmerman. Let's add that to the record there. Found a black man not guilty of killing police officers, which he did, but he had a right to do it given the circumstances so like give me the energy across all of it give me the same energy across all of it don't just cry at the one thing that has attention because the media knows they could do things to piss people off and and get our attention and and make money like they do on something like kyle rittenhouse which should have been shouldn't have been a case but if it was i i shouldn't have to fucking care about it and actually go out and pay attention to where some good things do occasionally happen now i'm

not going to sit here and say that that's the rule right there that's how it goes for black people on trial for homicide who acted in self-defense i'm not saying that i do think there's there's some stacked things in our system that need to be more equitably figured out here. But I'm saying there are times where it does work. So don't cry to me and tell me that it's the worst and that it never works and that we're all fucked. I don't want to hear that. I don't want to hear that. Now, there was a third case, and this happened the day before. And this is where I'm going to get the right side because they, you know, you could give them some credit for at least being correct that, in my opinion, that Kyle Rittenhouse was acting in self-defense, but the funny thing is they play right into stereotypes by then having the complete opposite energy for someone the day before who was on death row. So there is a case of a before i came to do this because i

was watching it last week and seeing what was going on and i want to make sure i understand all the nuance of the situation but julius jones is on death row he's been on death row since i guess like 1999 in oklahoma i think i said that but in oklah Oklahoma for the killing of a man in front of, I believe it was in front of his daughter and maybe his sister too. And he was 19 years old when it happened, and so he's been in jail for half his life, and he has always maintained his innocence. recent years has generated a lot of interest because the innocence project which is a foundation that helps turn over wrongful convictions particularly the most heinous ones like life in prison and and death sentence they took up this case i don't know maybe like i don't know how many years ago but they've been on this case for a long time so the innocence project drew attention to it and then even kim kardashian west is that what you're supposed to say like i see people saying that like is that is it isn't it just

kim kardashian i can't can't we just have nice things i don't know and now she's getting divorced too she's with pete david kim kardashian we're going with kim kardashian sorry but kim kardashian took up the case a lot of athletes including baker mayfield and. Sorry. But Kim Kardashian took up the case. A lot of athletes, including Baker Mayfield and Dak Prescott, have taken up the case. And the details are this. As I said, it was the man who was killed in front of his daughter and sister. But the key things that found Julius Jones guilty were three. Number one, the eyewitness testimony of, I think it was the sister, who said that it was Julius Jones who did it, despite the fact that she described him as wearing a red bandana and having hair that was at least a half an inch thick when he was shaved down to, I think down to the scalp

at the time. So that was actually incorrect. And we also know eyewitness testimony, not to say it is all wrong, but it is one of, especially in traumatic situations, it's actually one of the more least reliable things. So like back to the Rittenhouse case, the guy who I mentioned who was there who saw the whole thing, if not for the fact that we had drone video of the Rosenbaum part, his testimony I would have certainly some doubts about because he was very traumatized by the whole thing. He struggled even reliving watching the video in court. So anyway back to julius jones the other two things were at julius jones home the detectives found the murder weapon and the red band wrapped in the red bandana that had his dna on it and there's been arguments over

the dna that it wasn't conclusive i think that i'll side with with the prosecution and the state on that for now i think it's it's fairly the innocence project is fighting it but like it's it that the other guy i'm gonna get to that there was another guy involved who went to jail for being getaway driver but the other guy the dna test the red bandana proved that it couldn't be him definitely couldn't be him and that there was only like a 1 in 100 million or something chance that it wasn't Julius Jones

the other guy though is where this case started to get interesting so the other guy goes to jail for being the getaway driver now remember there was one person in there that they could testify to seeing shoot the guy and go away no one testified to like there were two people to my knowledge please check that though so the other guy still goes to jail because oh well yeah they they proved he was there and he said i was the getaway driver so he goes to jail for 15 years while he's in prison he admits to three people who in coming forward were given no chance

at earlier parole or no cut on their time or no deal or anything they came forward on their own recognizance or whatever and reported this but he admitted to people that he had done the killing and that he had framed julius jones for it and again julius jones has always maintained his innocence so back at the trial in 99 julius jones's attorneys who i think were public defenders not sure we'll check that but shitty attorneys they didn't even have his his family come and testify his alibi during the time so never even put an alibi on the stand and the red bandana thing is and his mother asserts this she's like that bandana was not the same one worn at the crime there's a red bandana and not to get stereotypical here but in his defense let's get a little stereotypical

there's a black guy who owned a red bandana. There's a few of those in this country. I own a red bandana. I'm white, right? That's a fairly common thing. I own a blue bandana, too. I own a green one as well. Maybe I'm weird, but either way.

Like, that's a common kind of thing. It's also worth noting that the other guy, I forget his name, the getaway driver, came over to Julius Jones' house after the murder. And I believe stayed there for the night. So you don't think he could have hidden that weapon in a red bandana that was Julius Jones? Stuck on a little glove and made sure he lifted that in there? You don't think he could have done that? you don't think he could have done that see I think he could have done that now what I'll say is that none of this is conclusive right now I'm not ready to say let this guy out of jail he definitely didn't do it I'm not there but he was on death row he was scheduled to be executed after years and years of fighting it

he was getting the injection on Thursday and so so everyone through a last ditch effort, I think Baker Mayfield cried on TV about it because he's friends with the guy at this point. But everyone through a last ditch effort to get the governor of Oklahoma, I think his name's Kevin Stitt, to commute his sentence, to give him a chance to fight this thing. And Stit waited until the last moment and he did it cue the right wing there's some guys on twitter who i i like to pick on because their accounts just scream like antifa from the right side to me but there's a guy jack pozobiec and another guy matt walsh and pozobiec started going nuts on this thing. And I bring these guys up because they were raising the points throughout this whole thing about how disgusting it is that this poor, innocent, little 17-year-old kid, Kyle Rittenhouse, who's now 18 but was 17 when he committed the crime, could be put on trial for his life for something he clearly didn't do. And how dare the state even let that happen?

With Julius Jones, he was about to be put to death. do and how dare the state even let that happen with julius jones he was about to be put to death there's no coming back from that now when i see a really bad crime like a charles manson or something the animal in me says yeah put him to death do it the reason i don't believe in the death penalty though is because i don't have the percentage for you in front of me and we also don't know the percentage for sure. But there are mistakes made, and death is the one thing you cannot come back from. And so when you see a case, which, by the way, I forgot to mention this. Julius Jones' death sentence hearing went before the parole board of Oklahoma. And mind you, this is Oklahoma. Not exactly, you know,

known for their social justice warrior type backgrounds, if you know what I mean. But anyway, goes before the parole board this fall. I think it's September. And they voted three to one with one abstention to commute his death sentence because he could be innocent. So even the fucking parole board agreed that like, we're not ready to say he's innocent,

but this man might be innocent. So when you have a shadow of a good doubt that somebody is innocent, don't you think that the same people who would be sitting here advocating for the state putting a poor 17-year-old kid on trial for his life for something he didn't do would also have the same energy for somebody who's about to be put to fucking death for something he did when he was 19 years old that he might have not done? No, they didn't. Instead, you saw Pazobiec, or however the fuck you say his name, come out here.

I think I have some tweets up. And say, let's see. First of all, he did the predictable thing. He immediately went to George Soros. So, yes, George Soros is a bad guy. His Open Societies Foundation does fund some of the Innocence Project. The Innocence Project is funded by – I believe it's more than half of it is funded by individual contributions, so not Open Societies, not George Soros. And the Open Societies accounts for like – I don't remember the percentage, but it's not at all even like half of the foundational support of it. So you can't control that some people are going to invest in stuff, and you can't control that people are going to take the money to be able to do it.

I'm not saying I would have loved taking the money from George Soros. I might have a chat with them and say, I don't think you should have done that. But Jake Bozobiec just went on a thing like, that means this whole case must be wrong. Because they're funded by the open societies. And then where was some of this stuff? Because he tweets out the Republican Party. Of course he had to make this whole thing fucking political. And this is what I mean.

Like the whole you literally can't even do the right thing, which Kevin Stitt, who he attacked in this tweet, the governor of Arkansas. By the way, in his commutation, went the worst route possible for a commutation and tried to work in there that this is life without I might even say, damn, I might do life with parole and this whole thing, meet him halfway, and then at the very least, like, he has a chance as an old man to get out. But he didn't do that. He did the whole, you know, playing hardball. But not hard enough for Jack or whatever his name, Pazobich. The Republican Party is full of people like Kevin Stitt.

This is his tweet. Full of people like Kevin Stitt who bow down to the media and celebrity pressure every time. Are you paying attention yet? You can't even let the guy do something that might even be like a little bit good from a humane issue. Instead, he's got to be like, this guy's guilty. And then the tweet right before that, he subtweeted someone about Julius Jones, and he said he's going to rot in prison for the rest of his life for shooting a dad in front of his daughters. So the same thing that he is accusing the left wing of right now, just totally stereotyping Kyle Rittenhouse and putting whatever facts suit them or lack of evidence that suits them out there, not even considering the possible evidence on the other side and attacking the kid and ending his life.

The same thing he's attacking those people for, he is now doing it from the other end when it happens to be. And I don't even think, by the way, the Julius Jones issue is that much of like a left-wing issue. I think it's a fucking human issue. I'm sure there's Republicans who are supporting this thing. Again, Oklahoma parole board voted three to one to see that he at least has a shot at this, right? So instead, no, he takes the other side.

Now you add to the fact that this is also a black guy you're playing right into the stereotype pal when all these people run around talking about how every right winger's a racist and shit like this well the hardest right winger a guy like this is doing everything he can to i'm not saying like this is racist but i'm saying he's doing everything he can to play right into that and give them fuel to the fire to be able to say things like that matt walsh did the same thing and i'll give matt walsh this his tweet was a little more objective but again i it's also clear to me that he hasn't really looked at the case and i don't like matt walsh at, so I'm not one to really give him credit. He's one of the angriest fucking people on Twitter. It's actually – I just don't – look, if you're a nonstop and angry person, I don't care what you believe.

I fucking hate your Twitter, and when I read it, I hate read it. So fuck you for making me do that. Anyway, he said, for Julius Jones, they have DNA, eyewitness testimony, and the murder weapon. If that doesn't add up to guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, how can anyone ever be found guilty of anything? Again, though, cherry-picking the thing that I already pointed out earlier and went through this case and explained that if you actually look at the evidence of the other factors here, there are some things to certainly be considered. It's not that simple. There's nuance in life. And I just pulled out – I pulled out two other tweets as well to kind of put around this but

matt walsh remember ashley babbitt she was the woman who was shot in in the capitol riot and killed and she was trying to break through the window and they shot her he goes ashley babbitt a tiny unarmed woman mind you she was in the fucking air force was a lethal threat to michael bird while climbing through a window several feet away it was like a broken window and there was a mob behind her rosenbaum a child raping mental patient he is right about that was not a lethal threat to rittenhouse while chasing and assaulting him this is the position held by many here again you're half right on the second part and you're half wrong or you're you're right on the second part wrong wrong on the first part and it goes

to show you like when it doesn't fit their ends, you know, it doesn't work. And I'm sick of the Capitol riot. I do think it gets overplayed in everything. It was gross and everything, though. But there were a lot of questions around it and shit that happened and actors that were there who shouldn't have been there and all some of the conspiracy stuff.

But one thing is, you know, I think one rioter was killed the whole time and like they're complaining about that i'm like i mean you broke into the fucking capital i'm surprised 50 of you 100 of you didn't die i mean when you break into the capital the officers have every right to shoot you that's how life works that officer you know i'm not saying he was going to be happy he shot somebody but like what the fuck is he supposed to do he shot somebody breaking into the capitol like a like a mad woman that's what happens but the the second tweet i had from him that i wanted to point out is is the whole problem around all this stuff in a nutshell that was just so perfect to me there was a video of kyle riddenhouse

supporters and Black Lives Matter protesters outside the courthouse I think on Thursday sharing pizzas and having a conversation and smiling and being cordial and it made me so fucking happy I saw this and I'm like that's what I'm talking about man that's what I want to see sane people who have beliefs they're willing to fight for them. That's fine. I'm going to be wrong about stuff. You're going to be wrong about stuff. They're going to be wrong about stuff.

We're going to be right about some stuff too, but you have to talk about it, right? You have to find a way to converse because that's what we're very bad at now. Matt Walsh, though, not good enough for him. Tweets out with a subtweet to that video. I would not share a pizza with people who want to lock an innocent man in prison for the rest of his life for defending himself against a mob of arsonists and child rapists i don't even want to share a country with these people let alone a meal i think they might say to you matt i don't want to share a meal with somebody who

wants to put someone to death when there's questions around whether or not he did the fucking thing that they put him to death for and i think they'd have a reasonable argument to say that even if he ended up being guilty there's a lot of evidence to point to the fact that he's not so it's it's a pick and choose society and this look this is a ramble today this is what happens when it's just me talking i don't have someone here to talk about it with that's why i like that format much much better but i just find hypocrisies in all these situations and this one was just so glaring and blatant beyond a shadow of a doubt with with all the cases that happened at once last week almost like a plan that it had to be pointed out and that's why i look i'm not i'm not going to tell people what to think or what to do

but i often point out how much being kind of above the noise and having been in the noise and been someone who's left and been someone who's right and knowing how i think how i thought when i was in those two rabbit holes and what i thought of other people and how I conversed or failed to converse. nuanced opinions and have the moments where people on the left are cheering me and then moments where people on the right are cheering me and moments on those two sides when they're when either or is booing me reinforces the fact that i am free in my own mind and in my own opinions and i i wish everyone could be that way. I know it's hard. It is. And like even now,

that's why when I read the noise of one side, I make sure it's like a drill. It's like a mental drill I do. I make sure I go read the noise of the other side at the same time or excuse me, like right after and I'll read them all for a while and then I'll kind of like decompress. You know, like if I had recorded this podcast on Friday night,

even though I still wasn't feeling great, like I would have been hot. I was feeling good enough to like talk. I would have been hot because I'd have been just pissed at everyone. And I still am today, but I'm sane. You know, I can at least like attack and talk about it. I can understand where people are coming from. You know, there's a lot of people who exist on the left and the right who think that for got attacked instead of the fact that Ghislaine Maxwell is on trial right now for an international sex trafficking operation that her partner Jeffrey Epstein allegedly now, allegedly, is dead, killed himself, air quotes, and therefore isn't here to be able to answer for it and who allegedly has dirt on every single not every single but a ton of powerful people around this world at the highest levels of government and pop culture and anything we're

not paying attention to that trial hmm get out of the vortex here people there was you know what and i was going to talk about some nft stuff today like with the metaverse and everyone's thrown around that buzzword and there's some stereotypes in the nft community that i know people outside of it make fun of and and don't like but we'll have to talk about that another time shorter end of it is i think people need to look at nfts they need to stop looking at it as just art though there are projects that certainly lead with that and should like our boy waheed with with smiles verse which is incredible his art is unbelievable but nfts are i think they're more unlocking the next generation

of interaction and they're unlocking the pathway to the quote unquote metaverse which I have a lot of hesitations and excitement and hesitations and thrills and hesitations and all different emotions about but we'll have to talk about that another absolutely fantastic and it was jim brewer who's a comedian who used to be on saturday night live and really funny guy very talented does a lot of voices and things like that but he recorded himself talking about what's going on in society last week and it was funny but it was also terrifying how much he nailed it and described it like he put it into words with emotions, what I think about our society so beautifully. And I'm going to play it right now because I want you guys to hear it. And I'll figure out a place to put the link to so you guys can get it.

But when I talk about the distraction of Kyle Rittenhouse and all these other things and everyone fighting at each other, the and the right even though everyone's got the same problems they all see money inflating the job opportunities going down machines taking over the world powerful governments getting more and more power lack of hope student debt that they're never going to be able to pay off all these things they keep them together should keep them together they ignore because the powerful few and the media convince everyone with distractions that there are things that make us different and they convince us on things like race and vaccines and stuff like that and jim brewer fucking nailed it so without further ado let's go to jim hanging out here here. I got shows in Omaha, Nebraska tonight, tomorrow night. And are you enjoying the great distraction circus?

I am. Wow. Love this show. What a show. Let's talk about this Rittenhouse kid today. Well, clearly, he's an American hero. Hero! What are you, some kind of animal?

He murdered people. Yeah, I was in self-defense. Self-defense? You should have never been there anyway. What's a 60-year-old doing with a gun? Well, he was trying to defend some real people did you see the people he actually killed they were monsters I don't know but if anything I think we should take

guns away if anything I think he's the right reason why we need more guns to fucking music man our plan is working geniusly as it has for centuries. They just keep dividing and we keep conquering as they're more distracted. Oh, Aaron Rodgers. Aaron Rodgers is a liar.

How dare he lie? Why can't he be a teammate? Just get vaccinated. I think it's actually a choice. You should have a choice if you want to do a double choice or a for the means of other people, of course. Oh, please give me enough of that. Oh, wait a second. People haven't died.

Is that what you're saying? I'm saying that Aaron Rodgers shouldn't be taking horse pills and taking advice from Joe Rogan who's not a doctor. It's misinformation. And my information is the information. The great divide and conquer, sire. They will never unite. I love the British accent. Working for centuries.

Or they start to catch on, and we will unite eventually. Turn the circus off, or at least know you're watching one. That's a mic drop and a half. And I got chills when he came in there at the end and turned to his own voice and turned to the camera and said that because he just put on a two-minute skit that said it better than I ever could. So, look, we're all going to live. Kyle Rittenhouse was found not guilty. The jury found him that way. I happen to agree with the verdict.

I also don't think he should be made a saint. I don't think he's a hero. I think he's a dumb kid, and I think he should just go on as a private citizen now, and I hope other people can do that too. What I really hope though is that we don't continue to just feed the anger that they want us to feed each other and that we actually look with a balanced view at things that certainly need correcting, certainly need correcting, but may not be – actually aren't as bad as we make them out to be believe it or not i still believe this to this day i think this is the best country to live in on planet earth certainly had a rough time the last six or seven years in particularly but i could even say the last 20 years in a way but it's it is a land that still has the most opportunity of anywhere else. And when I see it getting attacked with just complete sideswipes by the loudest people who can type out 280 characters. I'm going to come back at that, and I'm going to put them all in their place where I can.

And not that my opinion counts for anything, but I do have a microphone, and some people listen to this. So, you know, I'll always keep it real with you. But would love to get some feedback, what you guys think. Some of the stuff I put out there today, I know that was was certainly a lot and thank you for listening to the ramble again i really have not even attempted to do this since the last one i did like 15 14 15 months ago whatever it was so we'll be back god willing next week with a guest episode unless I'm still testing positive. We'll be back with that. So hopefully there's no more one-person episodes, but it is Wednesday before Thanksgiving, me putting out this episode.

I'm recording it the day before, so happy Thanksgiving to everyone. I hope you have a great, great Thanksgiving holiday with your families and good time of year. It's holiday season. I love holiday season. I love Christmas season. Everything's getting excited. So that said, you know what it is give it a thought get back to me peace