Julian Dorey Podcast - #77 - EPSTEIN & WHISKEY - MIKE SPEAR

Episode Date: December 9, 2021

Mike Spear is a trial attorney and conservative scholar. Currently, he is an active member of the Ancient Order of Hibernians and a strong supporter of the Fraternal Order of Police. Previously, he played Division-1 College Football. ***TIMESTAMPS*** 0:00 - Intro; Limos To Atlantic City Gentlemen’s Clubs; Spear takes a victory lap on the Cuomo Brothers; The Ongoing Ghislaine Maxwell Trial; Epstein’s creepy ability to stand next to everyone  24:10 - Trump’s silence as the trial begins; James Comey’s daughter prosecuting Maxwell; The media’s feminism question on Maxwell; The MSNBC Jury Issue; Whether or not conspiracies tie together –– they’re used in combination to divide us; DIscussing school shooter Ethan Cumbley; 2nd Amendment (2A) Discussion 48:38 - Julian discussing the 4th Turning and its role in crafting kids like Ethan Crumbley; Spear tells a story about an old Karen in the elevator; Pavlov’s Dog Experiment and the Pandemic 1:12:37 - There aren’t enough middle ground open conversations in society; Brian Stelter’s Neighbor; One more dunk on the Cuomo’s with an Andrew Cuomo Impression 1:33:04 - Discussing the Biden Administration’s performance so far; The US Mexico Border; The Afghanistan Pull out; Julian tells a story about how many people are so scarred by the media that they literally don’t believe *anything* anymore (and the problems this leads to) 1:55:17 - The Alec Baldwin Gun Story and his interview with George Stephanopoulos; Spear explains what he would not tell Baldwin to do if he were his lawyer; Spear tells a funny story from the Kyle Rittenhouse trial; Reviewing recent prominent court cases that signal potential progress in the US Justice System 2:15:00 - Spear tells the story about a recent murder involving a criminal who was granted freedom via bail elimination after a recent violent crime; Spear explains the differences between the burdens of proof in different facets of the law; George Soros and the whole DA Funding theory; Spear complains about AOC, Stacy Abrams, and Obama; Julian claims Spear is a secret Obama fan; The Pandemic’s state residency effects; Why people like Joe Rogan; Spear is annoyed by Jimmy Fallon 2:48:03 - Jeffrey Epstein even tried to muddy the waters of Bitcoin; Dan Pena “knows” (he doesn’t); Virginia Giuffre isn’t testifying the Maxwell Trial; Alan Dershowitz’s defense against Epstein Accusations; Spear and Julian discuss the rest of the case and wonder why the cover ups are so real… ~ YouTube EPISODES & CLIPS: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0A-v_DL-h76F75xik8h03Q  ~ PRIVADO VPN FOR $4.99/Month: https://privadovpn.com/trendifier/#a_aid=Julian   Get $100 Off The Eight Sleep Pod Pro Mattress / Mattress Cover: https://eight-sleep.ioym.net/trendifier Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

What do you mean it's his neighbor? It's his neighbor. Where? His parents' house? Yeah, so it's not his neighbor anymore. That used to be his neighbor? Yeah. He was running around like, I'm not going to say.

A legitimate neighbor to his left or to his right? I'll tell you afterwards. Yes, I'll tell you afterwards. Because I pitched in both directions. I think I might have got him what's cooking everybody I am joined in the bunker today for the first time since the best kept secret in the history of this podcast

episode number 39 by my friend Mr. Mike Spear quite simply Mike Spear is one of the most entertaining people you will ever listen to in your life. He does not try to be, but he is fucking hilarious. Everyone from the old days, the earliest listeners, know who Mike Spear is. They love him. I told you, of course, we're bringing him back. He's somebody who comes at things from the conservative end of the spectrum.

So when I want to talk to someone from that side of things, I'm going to be bringing in Mike. He's going to certainly be one of the go-tos, and you'll see why. In this episode, we drank a lot of whiskey, once again. Talked a lot of Epstein, a lot more than last time. I know people wanted us to talk more last time when we got off it. And we talked a whole bunch of other stuff. So I hope you guys enjoy, and it was good to have the big man back in the bunker. If you are not subscribed on YouTube, please subscribe. Please like this video as well and leave a comment. Love seeing you guys in the comments. Thank you to everyone who's been doing that. If you are listening on Apple or Spotify and you are not subscribed on Apple or following

on Spotify, please do so. And I hope to see you guys again for future episodes. That said, you know what it is. I'm Julian Dory, and this is Trendify. Let's go. This is one of the great questions in our culture. Where's the news? You're giving opinions and calling them facts. You feel me?

Everyone understands this, but few seem to do it. If you don't like the status quo, start asking questions. Last time I saw you, you were pulling out in a limousine to go to the strip club in Atlantic City, which God knows if there was any teeth on the strippers there, but, you know, that's just me. That was the nastiest strip club and limousine I've ever seen, honestly the limo looked good from the outside. I think it was a video of that. It was a $10 ride I couldn't believe it. I mean it wasn't far but it was still a fucking limousine. Wait, you got a limo for $10 That was like a full-blown. It was $10. It was $10. It was $10 I'm gonna put the video of that in the corner of the screen so people can see yeah They had a I guess they like are trying to compete with like uber rating uber rates for that night and it was probably about ten dollars

in an uber or a limo wait is it like a like an app service for limo no it was they were outside i said what do you want i think he said like 15 or 20 and everybody hopped in and i'm like wait a second no ten dollars It's two blocks away. You guys just get the fuck in the car. Wait, it was two blocks away? It was two or three blocks. Oh, my God. I thought originally we were going to show and tell, but apparently that closed down, which is a shame.

You fucking animal. Because they always treated us nicely. I'm not even talking about the strippers because half the time we ended up going there and just... Is that the place where we took meat and he and he blew off like 200 for the first time i don't is that the right one because that wasn't the worst thing i've ever been in no i think you know there were like a few stds in there but nothing crazy yeah it was small um it had the upstairs you'd go upstairs um i thought it was nice but apparently that makes that makes one person atlantic city that's that's really all it was cheers brother cheers my man good to have you back good to be back

last time you were here it's like a kept secret episode because i didn't put a ton of it like in marketing because we talked about all the things we're not allowed to talk about in public apparently anymore but it was it was march we got borderline blackout drunk good time and i think at the time this thing had i mean it had a little more on audio but it had like 200 subscribers on youtube when you were in here and now you know we're not at nothing on youtube we We're at like 16,000, and we have a whole TikTok built. And now we have an audience that we've had now for, I'd say, like a legit audience for like seven, eight months, which is really cool. But this is kind of, for the people that didn't go back and listen, this is their first exposure to Fear the Spear.

It's nice. And Fear the Spear is happy that he doesn't have to watch your your videos every day anymore because quite frankly you don't even need me as a fan but still yeah yeah you know at the beginning it was like i knew that the last thing that people who know you were going to do is like listen to your podcast so i didn't bother anyone about that and it's now cool that people are like oh no i don't have to feel compelled to do it either yeah but there's something you said about you know at least with you i was i always tell you i was genuinely like this is for him oh yeah i never you said i don't skip a beat there's no oh well he's now no no this is what you were supposed to do in fact if you were doing what you were

doing before that's when i have to kind of in my head say he's doing this now and wondering what's next but right now um I don't really have that thought which is which is good you and I never talked about like me going to do this but it is interesting that you were one of my really close friends from the beginning who was like you sure you want to do that you sure you want to be a banker yeah you know like you were like you knew that I could do it but it was more what are you sure you want to be a banker? Yeah. You know, like you were, like you knew that I could do it, but it was more, what are you doing? Right. Yeah.

I mean, I knew you weren't from a lineage of successful attorneys, so I figured that was it. No, I'm just kidding. David Doerr is a hell of an attorney. If I ever had a multimillion dollar business, and I would call him, but right now I probably need a DUI lawyer before I need David Doerr. Oh, no.

No, we're not doing that. We don't do that around here. But no, in all seriousness, this is incredible, and it's nice to see someone enjoy what they're doing. It makes my job a little bit harder every day, realizing I've got to find that spot. But you find it every time, which is nice. You love being a lawyer, though, no? I love being a lawyer, but you're still at set nine. You know when the start to finish doesn't change.

You work after hours if you have to, but you get up, you expect kind of the same thing almost every day, unless you have a trial. Pull that mic in just a little bit. If you have a trial or something, you're the star of the show that day in front of people you don't know that's different but the day-to-day it's still day-to-day it's still the eight to six thirty that you know the eight to seven um there's such a game with it though like because you're a trial attorney like you're a no fuck around attorney you know what i mean and there's such a there's high stakes at all times at least you have that the guys who are just kind of like consulting attorneys at all times on things like even like what's it called general counsel i like i like some mid-sized businesses they get bored yeah i mean i think they do and the worst feeling i would imagine for them

i mean the paychecks look great but you know oftentimes there'll be litigation and you're gc general counsel and yet you just see a team of lawyers come in to your company. You're like, okay, we got it, buddy. Bring us up to speed for 10 minutes and we'll take it over from here. It's like the FBI coming into a cop station. Right. We'll take it from here. Right.

I got to give you some credit, though, on a non-lawyer note. This was after we were blasted, but you called the whole Andrew Cuomo thing. I got to give you your flowers for that yeah i mean i i don't i don't know who mr cuomo is i don't know if he's famous or or has any notoriety at all um the father but we there's obviously mario cuomo is he is he who is mario cuomo mario when does fast grocery delivery through instacart matter most when your famous grainy mustard potato salad isn't so famous without the grainy mustard. When the barbecue's lit, but there's nothing to grill.

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Some kind of cereal. You, Michael Spear, don't know this. Mario Cuomo was the governor in New York. Their father was the fucking governor of the state. I never lived there. I don't know. Alright, go ahead. But in all seriousness, know listen he i think i was telling you this earlier but you know they made the um i think it was like the assassin's

handbook or whatever it's called assassins the what it's like the assassin's handbook i don't know i might be getting the name wrong but it's essentially this guy who we don't really know who it is but he created a step-by-step guide on how to kill people and get away with it who did this we i don't know and i don't think anyone really knows who the guy is that authored this i'm gonna google it keep going yeah so he creates his handbook god knows who used it but at least people like me and you we know about it or are learning about it when i read or at least heard about what cnn fredo cuomo said to his brother i'm thinking to myself this guy had a fucking playbook on how to basically get away

with sexual harassment so i was concerned when he was naked in front of his wife's yoga class the younger one the younger one but now i'm now i'm i'm deeply concerned well he had the thing it was like it was a couple months ago now i know you texted me about it where he was actually officially finally accused and vaguely like admitted to it like i'm very sorry for being inappropriate or whatever he put out a statement but it was with some reporter i think i don't remember so people look it up but there was like something where there was even an email trail to it so then i'm looking at this whole thing and his brother's defense which was fucking hysterical like the whole i'm italian right we love we kiss i i kiss men i kiss women it's like it's like if you're the pr lady handling him there's no way that you were letting

him out here doing that so he definitely went rogue and you're the PR lady handling him, there's no way that you were letting him out there doing that. So he definitely went rogue. And you're talking about this is Fredo Cuomo who's saying this about – or is this you talking – No, this is Big Cuomo. Oh, this is Big Cuomo. Big Cuomo who said that as like his defense at the end. Remember his last-ditch effort to like stay in office? And he's like, we kiss people.

My mother, she's a lovable Italian woman. So you see this whole thing going on. It's like a charade. And it was almost like once that happened, I'm thinking to myself, oh, my God, he's going to be right. Spears is going to be right. We're going to hear about this soon. And then, boom, it's like it's it feels like simulated. No, I guess is my point.

Like when you see scandals like this, you kind of know what's going to happen next. If it involves a family or something like that, the next one's going down. And you wonder what's the truth and what's not. But like with them, there's evidence that they've always been a little fucked up. Right. Yeah, but you know what? We didn't spend a second figuring out whether they were – or I shouldn't say figuring out, considering what we were talking about. We were talking about sexual harassment. That's not what we were talking about, though. We were

talking about you and I and the general public, right and left. Okay, this guy, Mr. COVID, you know, then you have the right wingers coming in, you know, just like the left wingers coming in defending, but we never really talked about the fact that he was accused of sexual harassment um as far as touching basically is my understanding um using his position of power to to take advantage of these people i mean that's the sick part but yet we spend our days on cnn trying to say oh no no no i was right i was right or no no no you were wrong and we missed the whole fucking boat there's such a problem with it it really it's it's it's hard to think about i know we make a joke out of like how fucked up some of these people are and sometimes it is funny

but we have this trial going on right now with gislaine Maxwell which is conveniently having a lot of things not necessarily push the mainstream and that's like the center of it all the whole Epstein thing which we we actually did talk about that last time but we didn't people were kind of the one thing they were saying after that episode is they're like I wish you would have stayed on that for a long time so now the trial is going on so we'll'll talk about it tonight. But, you know, that's like a main symbol where it's just like Looney Tunes world. But what it feels like to me is that we are just seeing more and more stories pile up of people not just being like people with attention and people high up in pop culture. Not just being like sexual harassers or something. But we're seeing people – like how many fucking pedophiles are there now?

Everyone's a fucking pedophile. Crystal Lee is a fucking pedophile. Like, you can't, it's almost like, and I guess, like, that's alleged, but still, like, I mean, he's texting, like, fucking 15-year-old girls. Like, what is going on with the fact that, like, I know this happens in regular America, too, there's some fucked up people but why is there such a gross distribution of people who happen to also have a lot of money who just like want to fuck kids like i it it's sick and it blows my mind yeah i mean before i even talk about that so just so i understand chris delia he is the comedian right yeah long black hair kind of thing guy yeah so before i even talk about the pedophile shit

which he may be one i don't know i don't know if he is but like it was the whole thing was sketchy but he didn't look you know that there's a show called you which when i tell people about it they basically say the title back to me meaning like you watch that the answer is yes um he is actually a pedophile in that show and then after the the show came out, all of this stuff happened. So, like, could you imagine being this guy, D'Elia, sitting there, listening to the scriptwriters talk about his role in this? He's got to be like, does somebody fucking know something? Is this like, am I?

Someone could be so, people in positions like that who already are certifiably crazy for being that way, could be so, especially with power, so into themselves that they actually don't think anything of it. Or they deny what they are. Look, I don't know how you get there. But if you study psychology of people who have fallen from grace over time, it appears that a lot of them somehow in their head start to think that like, oh no, but I'm different. Yeah. Well, it's like I look at the people who in the 90s when we talked about pedophiles,

even when we were young, I mean, oh my God, you knew exactly what the fuck we were talking about. We were talking about those thick glasses, mustache, nice collared shirt, tucked in, wearing the New Balance shoes. Hey, you want to get some candy? So those people are out there, but then you have the totally other end of the spectrum in 2020. And even in 18, 19, Kevin Spacey. You know what I'm talking about? Another guy on Epstein's plane. I mean, so we're talking about this is the same caliber in terms of morality we're dealing with. They're dealing with this guy on the left who we grew up thinking about to now, holy shit, it's all of these motherfuckers.

I want to know what these people, where they come from. Like where Epstein and Maxwell originate. Like we did talk about their backstory or her backstory a little bit last time. Like not much, but we talked about her father and all the sketchiness there but like where are they just sick people who wanted power and liked being around it and then got dirt on everyone and corrupted anyone they could or not corrupted took advantage of anyone they knew was already corruptible because they were morally compromised that they got information on somehow or were they backed by people which i threw that out last time about the whole like when were they backed by an agency somewhere i i don't know or is this a part

of some weird globalist conspiracy you know where all these people are just they're playing this game and the rest of us including people who who are like rich, who just like, aren't in that. We don't know about it. And they're, they're like this society, like almost out of a South park episode. I really wonder if that could actually have an element of truth to it at this point,

because, and we'll get to the trial once again, but like you see already things just being hidden completely in broad daylight, and no one does anything about it. I think left, right, and center could agree that there is a group, the Epsteins, the Maxwells, that exist. They have, their knowledge is, we'll never know the full extent of what they know, ever. I think that some people jump and say it's some kind of

globalist conspiracy. You know, I think other people, you know, will tell you that it's, this is what money can do. It creates these, you know, people that basically are never told no in their lives. And if that's going to apply to Run Me an Aaron, I want that. I want this person. Why can't it be I have this weird, sick thought? Not saying we all have sick thoughts like these people do, but we all have thoughts that float into our head and then they disappear because we're fucking – we're you and I. We're normal people. Right.

These people just may not be able to control that because they don't have to. And they just, they're sick people who get to act on it. I don't know what the answer is. But what I do know is that someone wants these people gone, either locked up, considered insane, or just dead. I don't know who that is. And I don't think we'll ever know who that is or what that is. The other question I have to ask, though, when you bring that up, because I do think about this, and some people have, when I've brought this up with people behind the scenes, they're like, you're crazy. You're out of your mind. Stop it.

But I got to think about this because at this point, it's all so fake in the reality of things that anything's possible. Is he dead? Who? Epstein? Yeah. like anything's possible is he dead who's who epstein yeah i would think i was is he dead i don't fucking know i have no idea i mean i didn't go to his funeral i i didn't perform the autopsy i didn't perform the autopsy um i'm sure it was a traditional jewish burial so i mean you know i don, I don't have an answer for you. You are Jewish, so you're allowed to say that. Yeah. I don't have an answer for you. You know, but, you know, what I do know is that, you know, this guy is, he had to have known, he must have had at least an understanding

that hundreds, if not thousands of people knew what he was doing. So the guy had to have an element to him that did not really feel shame for what he was doing. Now, there's also an element to him that's human, which is I want to survive and I don't want to be arrested. But I just at that point, after years of that, for the guy to then just wake up in a jail cell and be like, you know what? I am so ashamed of myself. I'm going to hang myself. No, hang myself no no no well we know that he didn't kill it doesn't to me that doesn't make sense i'm not a psychiatrist so i'm not gonna sit here and cite some text you know for you but it is a human it to me it just doesn't really make sense like even these serial killers how often have they ended up killing themselves in prison?

They've been killed, but you know, we're also talking about sick, sick people, probably sicker than Epstein, honestly. And, uh,

so I, it's all the same spectrum, but yeah, I would think the serial nature of it. Yeah. Um, which is the scariest part about it. I kind of consider that all the same.

Like when you're a massive kid abuser and a massive serial killer, I guess you technically don't take – I mean some people do both, but I guess you technically don't take lives when you're doing that to kids, but you see how fucked up all these people are. You basically – and like I'm a guy. I can't even understand it in this case from the women's perspective but you even look at like the catholic church stuff and things like that like they ruin whether it's males or females being abused as a kid they they ruin them forever and it's it's just a it's a

disgusting thing yeah i mean there's the the numbers are are probably staggering but you have different walks of life different resources for different people. So you have the people who, you know, it happens to them and somehow they're able to remain successful. They don't want to ruin their careers, their families, their friends, and their relationships. So they shut the fuck up and they move on with their lives. And then you have the other people who aren't as fortunate to have a support system. And you got people who, you know, who decide to pull a gun out and start killing people you know or you have the people who um you know continue to do uh uh fucked up shit and perpetuate

this cycle of just just just destroying people um but i you know you're absolutely right you know, you're absolutely right. You know, the thing that. I can never. I don't want to say except. When it comes to this guy, I am constantly frustrated by the fact that even people that you like in culture, he at least found a way to take a picture with him. I mean, there's like and not not everyone but you know what i mean there are people everywhere who like she even has a picture with elon musk i think you almost can't find people you can but it's hard at the top of culture who can't have some sort of picture trace back to standing next that motherfucker i mean even like dr steven pinker who you know i love he was technically in a couple pictures with him now epstein was the whole harvard donor and everything he definitely had some compromised people there but he was always going to harvard

shit pinker's been at harvard for a long time it makes sense but still like he has to answer that now like steve's got to spend the rest of his life with someone asking him like by the way how well did you know epstein i saw the picture it's it's kind of sick and then you also see other people in the pictures though who it's like whoa okay there was a lot more there and you kind of know it for sure and the guy definitely right now who's in the news with that is bill gates it's so fucking clear with everything and so i get frustrated in the sense that whenever his name is near something, the waters are muddied and you kind of have to – you're automatically fighting from the bottom of the barrel and you have to defend. So like if I bring up Pinker or something, like I got to say like, yeah, it appears he didn't know him. But I also don't know. Like I wasn't there.

It's scary. Yeah, I think that even with the flight logs, which I know will dive into the trial itself, but you look at these names that are dropped. Again, Spacey, Trump, Clinton. And we don't know about the people that are just in pictures. And scarier than that is we don't know about the people we don't know about the people that are just in pictures. And scarier than that is we don't know about the people we don't know about, and that number could be in the hundreds, like I said, maybe the thousands. I don't know how important every single one of those individuals. I mean, they probably have some degree of wealth that brings them to that level, to be in the same room as these people.

But, you know, I almost think that the one photo people or the one trip to the island people, to me, it kind of screams like you did enough to say, I invite everybody, you know? I invite Donald Trump. I invite Bill. I invite them, I invite everybody. I invite Donald Trump. I invite Bill. I invite them. I invite everybody. I like famous people.

I like rich people. I like to hang out with these people. But what actually went on there, I don't know if these names that we hear have any fucking idea. I don't think they do. That's another thing, though, because you just raised it right there, the whole trump thing trump is the one guy and i said i said this last time but now it's worth re-examining but he's the

one guy who across all these powerful people is actually on the public record like years ago in a bunch of different ways as completely calling this guy epstein out so he was quote-unquote friendly with epstein in the early 90s they both liked women i guess assuming based on what trump says he didn't realize that epstein liked girls and so epstein was down in West Palm. Mar-a-Lago is down there. I believe it was – he was a member at Mar-a-Lago. And then one day he came on to a 15-year-old towel girl.

It got reported to Trump and the – well, my understanding was Trump said if you ever set foot on here again, my security team will shoot you. And the other story there that is not – this one is more hearsay from, if you believe, the prosecutors and everything. The other one is in 2008 or 2009 when Epstein was taking a trial for the first time and what ended up being a sham trial, the one guy behind the scenes who was supporting the prosecution and helping them with whatever they needed down in west palm there was trump so like he has all these things and everything and then fast forward to the campaign in 2015 i'll never forget this this is like august maybe 2015 september something like that he's doing i think he did an interview with john heilman and john hopperin or mark hopperin on they were on bloomberg at the time. They had the political show and everything. And so, you know, the campaign's like starting for 2016 and he's like now this name.

And as he was like leaving the set, the mics are still on and the cameras are still running. And he's like, oh, you got to ask about Epstein and everything. That guy, that guy is touching little girls, taking people down to race. He's saying this all on, no one did this. And he's saying this all on – no one did this. And he's saying all this shit.

So now the first day of trial, they – we'll just get it. Let's dive right into it. First day of trial, they interview the pilot of his plane or interview. They examine – cross-examine the pilot of his plane. And one of the things they asked was Donald Trump ever on a plane. Yes, he was. This was not a news story, by the way. He took one flight from west palm to new york in the early 90s i think it was so not to rape island but the media tried to run with it like oh trump was on the but you know immediately tried to make that the story for like five minutes but to me i'm very

curious to know why trump is silent on this because his style is that especially when he has when it's not something that he has to bullshit about and he has facts on his side he does go right to the public with it and he'll post a video I Donald Trump hated this man you wrote the tape I wrote about it in my book he'll tell you all this shit and yet now we're three four days into the trial here we're recording on friday night podcast coming out on wednesday and i haven't heard a word from him and i haven't heard a word from him defending what happened with them trying to run with that the other day and so that gets me a little confused because it's also completely antithetical to how he was for like two decades talking about this guy to whoever

would listen well i mean i don't first of all i don't know which platform you would find trump on talking about this he puts statements out all the time all right i mean i've seen him uh i want to say as recent as last week just flipping through the channels, not that I would ever watch Fox News, which that could be a whole segment to talk about. That's just ridiculous for probably the reasons why a lot of viewers are like, oh, I didn't even think about that. Not conservative enough, what? No.

But he was on Hannity, and I think it did come up briefly, but I don't know. I mean, listen, this guy, his executive branch spearheaded, to my understanding, spearheaded really human trafficking prosecution. I mean, more so at least in the last probably decade. And that might just be a sign of the times. I think now, because of how advanced, or I should say how, you know, forensics has advanced, how easily it is now to track people. I think it's easier to prosecute these cases. But

at the same time, you know, I think he made it very clear what his stance is. But what I, see, I didn't take that from the trial, the comment about Donald Trump. What I thought what I took from the trial was you have a familiar last name, Comey, who's in a direct examination of the prosecution's witness. Can you explain to people who that is? So Comey. Well, we all know. We all know. So FBI Director Comey. So FBI Director Comey, his daughter is also an attorney, and she is one of, I can't even imagine, probably 10 to 15 attorneys actually prosecuting Maxwell.

And she actually has some of the direct of this pilot. And she is asking questions about all these different figures. And she, I'm pretty sure Donald Trump, well, I know that she asked a completely separate question outside of that line of question and said something. There's no transcript yet that I've seen. I've seen CNN quote what was said, which who the fuck knows at this point what they heard or what they're writing but you know she actually separates the question for donald trump which i'm sure her and her dad they probably you know high five or whatever the fuck somewhere jim dior is sitting there right now going fuck yeah they did right right they're having turkey dinner like they do every sunday you know american uh flags hanging in their house and high-fived each other. But she separated.

So, I mean, it was clear that, you know, the media was going to run with it. One word answer, by the way. What's that? It was like, if I remember the script correctly, it was, did you ever fly? She was going name by name and she goes, Donald Trump. And he said, yes. Yeah, I think she separated from the list. I don't know if that was deliberate or not.

Yeah, she did. It might have just been emphasized, you know, the significance of who was on the plane. I don't know. Yeah, he was the president. He was. It is important. I'll agree with you there. But yeah, again, here's a great example. We have an accused – I mean, listen, it's – we'll call her what she is because she's not just some kind of – she's not a conductor.

She's also someone who participated allegedly. So we're talking about underage children being sexually assaulted, courted, groomed. And the running line for a lot of these outlets is Donald Trump was on this guy's plane. We're not even talking about the fucking guy. We're talking about her. We're talking about these people. And yet here comes Donald Trump's name by Comey. But I guess that was going to come out no matter what her last name was.

Yeah. But here we are, talking about that and not really what this is about, which is a sick person doing sick, sick things to the most innocent people in our society. Did you see this headline behind you? It's from Bloomberg. I'm going to read this. This is a screenshot of bloomberg tweeting out their own article and the article is called gillane maxwell jury confronts rare case alleging female sexual

predator which i i guess is like kind of a fact but then what they tweeted above it i'm just going to read it and then we'll go from there gillane maxwell's sex trafficking trial is set to be one of the biggest of the me too era but the jury may have to grapple with the unique question, is Maxwell herself a victim? I am all about, in our jury system, in our world today where everything is tried in the court of public opinion before anyone gets a fair hearing on shit, I am all about giving people a fair hearing. What I am not about is the corporate media in a landmark case that's now the biggest case, should have been the second biggest given the fact that he should have lived, but that's neither here nor there. possibly one of the sickest sadistic global conspiracies we've ever seen what i don't need them doing is starting to poison the waters of people starting to ask questions and paint her as a sympathetic figure as this trial goes on if they don't want to absolutely nail her to the cross until the jury comes back fine i. I will not be a hypocrite. I will say just don't fucking say anything.

Just report what happened at the fucking trial. But when I see shit like this and we hear about where the money is. The money is everywhere. It flows around. It sloshes around to people who are compromised. This is Bloomberg. New York guy. Mayor.

Fucking billionaire. Vented to Bloomberg. See somebody connected. Like you have to ask these questions and wonder like how stupid do they think people are? And then also how correct are they about that at least to some extent of people who don't actually look at this and go, wait, what? Everyone should be looking at this going, wait, what? But I feel like people have tuned it out. I mean so there's two things. The bigger issue is probably worth talking about a little bit longer than this first part which i'll say so essentially

they're they're putting the question out there is she a victim i assume she's talking about a victim of epstein which i assume this toxic you know masculinity this this this male driven culture something like that i i'm not i didn't really i had to study some, I guess, I wouldn't even say I had a class really on feminism, but, I mean, the topic came up frequently. So I don't want to portray myself as an expert, but that's, I guess, essentially what they're saying. She's a victim of some kind of culture that makes her subservient or something like that.

But anyway, I'll ask you before I keep going. Who was the guy that ran over the crowd of people in Virginia? That racist motherfucker. The guy who killed the woman at the Charlottesville? At Charlottesville. Yeah. I don't remember his name, but I know who you're talking about. This is back in 2017.

And I think you ended up being like this Dixieland, you know, really. I'll look it up. Go ahead. But anyway, so we have this racist Confederate flag-waving guy. Is he the victim of Abraham Lincoln? That's what I want to know. Is he the victim of Abraham Lincoln? Is he the victim of the Civil War?

Is he the victim of economic depression as a result of a nation no longer divided but now? I mean, is that what we're going to do with these criminals? Are we going to look deeply into these different socioeconomic or other excuse for why they act that way and all of a sudden forgive the behavior? You can't have that. You can't live in a functioning society where we try to, before convicting, forgive because of some social theory or some, you know, it's just scary. But anyway, the real issue is the headline and why this is coming out now. There is no, after the Rittenhouse trial, it is clear to me, dude, the media is gloves off again with respect to the criminal justice system. They are not going to sit back and wait for a verdict. They are going to do everything in their power, whether that's stalking a bus of jurors.

Yeah, I was going to say, you saw MSNBC literally do that in the open. Yeah, they stalked a bus of jurors. It's just – she should go to jail for that. I don't Yeah. They stalk the bus of jurors. It's just – She should go to jail for that. I don't know what they're going to do about it. I know that judge ain't playing around. No, he's not. He ain't playing around.

And by the way, I haven't said – because I've talked about Rittenhouse now in two straight episodes before this, and it is an important case going on right now, so we have to tie it back in. I don't want to go too deep on it tonight. Yeah, I got you. So we have to tie it back in. I don't want to go too deep on it tonight. But one thing I haven't said, people have been running around talking about how that judge is like in the bag, like a trumper and all that. That judge is a seven-term Democratic elected leader of a judge. He is literally the opposite of what they are calling him out to be. And by the way, I'm not even even gonna say his performance in that trial was all exactly the greatest thing i think he could have sat back more and let it take its course because i think no jury in america was gonna find that kid guilty they were just gonna think he was

was a dumb kid who shouldn't have been there but whatever like the video shows he defended himself but like that's the narrative we play and to your point, like these people in the media, now it's a game. It's a game to them. And they're like, oh, we can just do that. We can just like video the bussagers. They're not going to think anything. You know what I mean? Like they're sick.

Yeah, I mean it's – I mean as a trial attorney, I know that – and I realize, I'd like to think at least that I am more considerate of the system than some dipshit from MSNBC. But at the same time, we are instructed that I can't take a piss on the same floor of the courthouse as the members of the jury. They will separate which floor I can take a piss on. Naturally, the jury gets the floor that they're right next to, and I have to either go up or down an elevator or stairs, which is fine. Good for you. But these people have no shame, no consideration for the system, and it's all about, I don't know if it's a narrative, if it's money, if it's power, what motivates these people, but I mean, they are just doing their own thing, and they don't give a shit what they ruin or what they affect along the way and it's scary i try to pick out patterns in my head and

i go nuts when i do it because you can just run with it and this is what conspiracy theorists do that's why i stop i don't go i don't go where they do but i still have that moment a couple times a month where i start thinking about it and it's where you take these different themes you know you grab an epstein okay a lot of people are pedophiles out there in power okay then you grab the political system all right the dnc pushed out bernie sanders the rnc couldn't control trump then they went all around him now we got corona now everyone's home oh my god look at australia where's the money coming from that's going in? Oh, it's coming from China. Okay, now look at it. You know what I mean? You can go down this whole thing and start to time together. incentivized not incentivized we have been assumed we've been put in a position where we assume that we incentivize when actually the people just decided to do it a elite controlled society

where people in media empower therefore who are partners with them and control it tech platforms now things like that they run around and continue to convince ourselves to fight over certain things to distract from what's really going on. And that's not, I've shared that overall theory a hundred times on here and I'll share it as many times as I have to because I feel like we now live in this world where we are forced to see all these differences in each other to the point where it's almost like you're constantly on high alert and you're thinking about things that you shouldn't have to think about it's almost like making you have these thoughts in your head when in reality we've never had more in common at any point in

human history than we do now the people who are struggling and who get the most pissed off at shit like this they might be people who look different and are from different places even forget america even from different countries but they're part of the same problems they're they're seeing jobs go away they're seeing automation come in they're seeing their personal rights die down they're seeing absolute chaos in the media as you just open up this whole thing about alluding to they're seeing narratives that don't even make sense that then sometimes if they don't pay attention close enough they actually believe and then they also see that they can't see a dollar or whatever their currency is go as far as it used to because the government's printing it

all away and they can't explain it but they know that they're living paycheck to paycheck and it's even worse than that sometimes and there's so many people like this that like they should all we should all be uniting i'm in that boat right but we're not because we still listen to enough of the noise enough of the muse here that yells in us like by the way remember the cops killed a bunch of black people remember by the way this country's completely built on racism remember you your whole system of of heterosexual cisgender white males that's what ruined everything and it's like okay some of that stuff even has an element to truth of it that That's why you're able to say that. But then we take it to a level like we are literally living in 1865 or 1920 right now.

And the system has to burn down completely or we're all fucked. And that's not the truth. Yeah, I mean, this is why I like what you do. Um, and I think that's why there's hope for, I guess, breaking that kind of structure. Um, or I don't even want to call it a norm. Um, but it seems like they've been doing, this has been around forever. Oh yeah. This tactic. Oh yeah.

Divide and conquer. Um, but you know, I think that through this pandemic, they, whoever they, child care, without normalcy in schools, without, you know, the ability to see family without getting disciplined or ridiculed by career We're doctor. And without these hot-button issues that they just shove down our throats, you're probably right. They have a major problem, and the narrative is killed. But yet we're not talking about the bigger issue. We're talking about things like this unfortunate shooting that happened in Michigan where I know what's coming next, which is going to be the gun control conversation. I disagree completely. What do you think is next?

Spear, have you taken a straw poll of people who lean hard left on guns? No. Dude, the pandemic ended gun that's why they're not making it's not like as loud as usual for after the even this thing you know they're making a news story out of it but there's not i saw one cnn person was like crying on the news about i hate covering these stories but they they've quieted down on this they started doing it before the pandemic but once the pandemic happened everyone was buying guns right and i i was always more conservative on guns but i was admitted you can go roll the tape on this podcast go listen to episode 16 with mitch laxamana i was one of these guys who was like i don't support banning ak-47s because i know they just come for everything, but why the fuck do you own it, right?

Now, with the full pandemic going on and really the thing that opened my mind was Australia, just looking at that because it's basically like a gun-free society and I see what's going on there. Now, bro, by – legally, obviously, buy every fucking gun you can. I am a full – and i'm very conservative on that issue because i've seen it in practice and so i say that because you know i'm somebody who probably leans a little bit left i if we're going to be if we're going to be more like liberal about it not to be pun intended there let's say i'm down the middle i also know a lot of people who lean hard left who they may not go as far as i just did they're not going to do that but they're not screaming for gun control anymore they don't want it i mean what are you going to do

with your gun though i mean do you really expect to defend yourself from the government i mean what do you act like you could just walk into uh the capitol unimpeded without getting killed oh wait yeah that did happen so it's being that's not what i mean that's not what i mean i know but that's not what i mean but i think you're right i mean listen i i i didn't go crazy i mean i i own a gun legally. One of ten legal owners in Philadelphia, proud to say. But in all seriousness. You definitely sit up on that fucking roof deck like Tony Soprano with your gun. No. No, I don't. I'm just kidding.

Yeah, no. No live ammo. It's all blank. Not an Alec Baldwin situation? No, I'll tell you about thatc baldwin situation i watched that whole thing anyway i'll tell you about all right we'll get there but um but no i mean i listen it's it's scary what how easily we kind of uh you know bent and kneeled um in submission but i think the people kind of did eventually come to their senses and say, what the fuck?

What just happened? Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. My kids can't go to school? You know? So, you know, I think you're right. I think overall they probably will depart from that for now. It'll be recycled, as it always is. But you're probably right. I think the hard left advocate for total gun control, the Betos, are probably few and far between right now.

For good reason, probably. Yeah. It's an unpopular thing to do. And now they're talking about this whole thing. What the fuck is it called? Oh, my God. There's a term for it in the constitution because the demographic switches of people leaving states and shit like where there's going to be you know the votes are

the overall votes are staying the same but there's now like the question of from a state level are people so pissed off that so many states like go red that there's like a constitutional convention or something oh you know what i'm talking about where the states can say like we take away federal power to do this this and that which i think i mean this sounds that to me and i'm a states rights guy but i'm like that sounds like end times if that happened yeah i uh a buddy of mine, he said it a while ago and before the pandemic. And for what it's worth, he's probably been saying it a lot longer than most. But, you know, he said in probably not in our lifetime, but in our kids' lifetime, you know, we're going to see a major upheaval.

I'm not saying collapse of Rome type of thing, but we're going to have a major, major conflict in this country and probably worldwide the way that this world is now, a domino effect type thing. But there's going to be a major conflict. Like I said, I don't think it's in our lifetime but it's coming i think it's coming i think have you and i ever talked about the fourth turning no some listeners i've talked about this probably like four or five times before so apologies to people who have heard this but the fourth turning was a book written in 1997 by two historian sociologists who did the one thing that most or all historians never do, which is they didn't take the confirmation bias of the fact that they're a smart historian to then try to predict the future in a future that they would change of past patterns right so historians are usually the worst predictors of the future because not because they all try to be but they think i've studied so much i can predict

right these guys just said we're gonna find patterns and then go like this and lift it right here and that's all we're gonna do we're not gonna say what or what or exactly what but we're gonna say these are things that happen so expect that same pattern to occur so they wrote this book where they broke the world up into what they call a seculum and we'll focus on america but they figured out this pattern since like the time of jesus christ and a seculum occurs over about an 80 to 85 year period across four generations that repeat over and over. The generations of the prophets, the nomads, the heroes, and the artists. And the cycles that they come through are like the boom, the cultural awakening, the brooding of a crisis and a crisis. And the artists, the last one I mentioned, are always age 0 to 21 it goes 0 21 21 to 42 42 to 63 63 and up

and anyone above that it's like well you know they're an outlier the artists are always kids that's 0 to 21 when the crisis happens the heroes are always coming of age when the crisis happens, the nomad, aptly named, is always in charge. 43 to 64 or whatever it was, that's like your prime. That's when you're going to be president or something like that. That generation is going to be there. So like the last time the heroes were in a crisis was World War II, and they were the greatest generation fighting. We're the very back end of the Millennials but the Millennials are the heroes and we are in a current 20-year crisis zone which is what these guys predicted in 1997 so just to get a little fucked up in the head pattern to look at here World War two 41 to 45 80 years ago the

beginning of a crisis period is usually in the first half has a financial crisis. The stock market downturn, 1929. 2009 was the bottom, 80 years. Before that, the Civil War was 81 to 65, 80 years before. Before that, the Revolutionary War, 73 to 83, 80 to 85 years before. The shit comes in cycles. And so what these guys said is that a climax of our crisis cycle will occur by, say, 2025. And so far, when you look at the first, this millennium, which they were predicting in the 1997 book, they have nailed to a T everything.

They said the great financial crisis, whatever it is, they didn't say what it was going to be or how it was going to be caused. They just said 2005 to 2010. They said the movings of a great rise to the crisis climax will happen towards the end of the 2010s after a bumpy ride. I mean I could argue we had quite that in the 2010s after a bumpy ride i mean i could argue we had quite that in the 2010s and now we're in this period from 20 about to be 22 to 25 where it's like well now it's going to go overload so you bring this whole thing up talking about a kid you know with the whole gun control argument and a kid who was 15 years old who went in there and took four lives and now you know people are going to fight over it and it's a sick thing and whatever but i i went and i looked at this kid's youtube page

from when he was 10 years old i went and looked at his instagram page too which had by the way they missed all the signs the the school if the news doesn't make a story out of the fact that everyone fucking knew this was i don't want to say they knew he was going to do this thing, but he – by the last days they did, he wrote it on his fucking Instagram. If they don't make a story out of that, that's a disgrace. But the signs may have been there, but five years ago, 10-year-old kid, he's just a cute kid making videos with his... He's got friends, everything. Looks like a normal kid. Then he goes through his hormone phase, right? Where they start to come in after age 10,

specifically 12, 13, 14. And what's happening when he's going... You know what the prime of that was like. I would say 13 to 17 was a fucking wild ride, you know? So what's going on when he's in those ages where that's starting to hit 13 14 15 the fucking pandemic so this kid who had these friends when he was 10 years old is now laid back from society has far fewer friends he's pissed off at i mean go look at his shit he's

pissed off at the world he's blaming shit on other people and his parents are obviously not the greatest parents in the world. They also appear to have some of their own angers directed at society. And he gets to this point. And I'm saying like, yes, this is one kid who did this. And we see far too many stories like this. But he's just the symbol of a greater problem. So when we talk about a crisis here this whole thing this pandemic which cove is

a very real thing but the cost that we have put on society with it particularly to our youngest most impressionable people the artist generation growing up in this crisis is at such a level that they are going to be psychologically ruined from having their most formative years completely fucked and i don't know how like you talk about when's this thing gonna gonna happen these guys the four turning guys think it could happen in like 2025 like the actual thing but that doesn't necessarily mean the patterns of when a when a republic is in power follow that 80 year like it may just mean that was the beginning of the end and then the next 80 years is when it officially goes down the hole in the next cycle what are these kids going to

be like when they're in the 21 to 42 coming of age generation what are they going to be like when they're in the power generation 42 to 63 they're depressed at the world they don't understand people like we did these kids are going into offices to doctor's offices and formulating new medical tics no pun intended because they're watching too much tiktok and they do weird shit with their body they're getting fucking programmed yeah i mean again i i think that it's a spectrum of kind of i hate using the word socioeconomic because it's just it it makes me feel like i am somebody i'm not but in reality we we you have to consider you know who we're dealing with. So we have this guy. Obviously, the parents are a little off kilter wherever they are right now, Mexico, wherever. Yeah, as of tonight, they were on the run, that are this generation you're talking about, that aren't this guy, that are going to go through the same pandemic.

They'll do it with six siblings. They'll do it with families that aren't connected. Like this kid may have been. Obviously, this guy had his own YouTube channels as a kid. I mean, we didn't have that as kids. Maybe if we were born when he was born, it would be different. But maybe not. Your parents are still your parents. My parents are still my parents.

But I don't know if it's going to affect everyone the same. i think that a lot of people will grow up with somewhat normal childhoods and this will just be like kind of looking back whoa that that was terrible remember that but um the sad thing is yeah two years of trauma uh in some kids lives that ain't ever going away. It's going to affect their development. It's going to affect, obviously, their social skills. That's the worry, man. And trust. And no matter how shitty it gets, trust in this country.

I mean, they may not understand it like we do, but we at least look at these schools as like, they're like fucking churches. At least that's how I view them. I mean, they're the most sacred of places, pretty much. I can't say I love the people that are in them advocating and teaching, but as far as the kids being there, these are like sanctums. And for this kid, it wasn't. It wasn't for him. No.

But that's what I'm saying. There are a lot. There are a lot of kids who aren't fucked up like him. They're not even thinking about doing shit like that. But they're being fed the same bullshit over and over again. One of the things I do look at now, and I know different generations use different resources differently. I understand that.

And I also know, talked about on this podcast, but they're just, Facebook's trying to meta. It's trying to kill off Instagram. They're just milking it for all the money it's worth, and they're killing killing they're they're basically they're making a ton of money on instagram right now and facebook yeah they're cluttering they're called meta now i don't know if you heard that i know that i could log in through facebook right so you're not an instagram guy but instagram's ui ux used to be incredible and now it's a it's kind of a trash dump i mean i i get depressed scrolling my thumb through there i can't

even find people i know like i like i there's someone whose videos i interact with every and i actually watch them like literally every single time they do an awesome job they're like quick videos can't even get them on my page anymore i had to go to their page the other day i text them i'm like i haven't seen any in like the last four weeks. So Instagram's just like milking all this money out of it. So that may also change how people use it. I've noticed it changed how people use it in my generation and like people I know. But I will look at a lot of these kids' profiles when it comes up, like someone I know or something like whatever it is and I'll see the same story the kids who are coming up now who are as young as 14 but as old as 18

they'll have profiles that have no posts on them a lot of them like literally no posts or they'll have like a couple memes they don't post a lot of their own pictures or they post pictures that are from far away that no one can even tell it's them it is completely different from the generation who is putting up their face filtered on fucking visco like a basic bitch everywhere and calling that you know like this is my life and this is what i am but those same kids now are still on other platforms and even still on instagram with the other generations subjected to a world where everything's burning around them but all these other people seem to still have a good life and

it's never going to be good for me because i don't even know what a good world looks like these are the kids who grew up after the financial crisis happened these are the kids who grew up after the financial crisis happened. These are the kids who grew up in a time where our political system got flipped upside down and people started hating each other. These are the kids who grew up in a time where coronavirus stopped their world. And you talk about personal interaction and this is where I'll disagree with you.

If you don't think that we're at almost two years now, who knows how fucking long they're gonna keep doing this. If you don't think that putting a cloth on people's faces and having them have to look down when they walk through the hallways because they can't look up at people because they're afraid to get this fucking thing and spread it it's fear fear fear if you don't think that that is going to affect their ability to to develop and forge real human relationships i don't know what movie you're watching and that's that is what is going to affect society the most in my opinion well i'll tell you what you know makes me sick i can't

obviously relate to somebody in that age group because i'm a grown-ass man and we're coming back to the abstain trial by the way we're just on the sidebar. But, you know, I will say that it obviously hasn't affected my ability to socialize, at least my capacity to socialize, because I've done that. I've had the 13 and 17, which I'll concede I don't think anybody in this 13 to 17 generation is having. It's just not happening for a lot of different reasons. Just because shit changes. Age 13 to 17. I don't want to sound like my fucking dad. Right.

You know what I mean? Shit changes. Trends change. But I will say that I have never been fearful of this virus. However, I have been fearful of the perception the public who is fearful will have on me if I don't act a certain way, if that makes sense. Yes. for the most part, including the employees, the management company that's in the building, whatever they're doing, whether it's janitorial, whether it's front desk,

I mean, they're rarely wearing a mask. If they are, it's you get the halfies, the Philly halfie, whatever. Oh my God. That shit drives me nuts. At the same time, I will walk in, if I walk in one day, I got to make sure I got a fucking mask on me. same time, I will walk in.

If I walk in one day, I got to make sure I got a fucking mask on me. I mean, I have changed. Still? At one point. At one point. And this isn't because I believe in this shit necessarily. I know. This is because I don't want to deal with it.

What happened to me, and I was fucking floored. So, and I don't want to go on a tangent here, but. Do it. It's what we're here for. We've been having virtual everything. Everything's fucking virtual now. We were at a point where even the meetings in the office were virtual. It's changed a little bit.

So we finally had an opportunity to go two blocks down JFK to a defense firm, and we were having an in-person deposition. I was bragging about in the office, I'm going to go see some fucking people that I meet. I'm going to get to look them in the eye this time. That's so fucking sad. So I go over there. I walk in the office. And as expected, you know, at the defense firms,

traditionally a little bit more conservative than the plaintiff's firms, they don't have their masks on. Neither do I. They didn't really ask me about vaccination status, to be honest with you. I think the court reporter asked. Everyone has their masks off. We get the deposition done. Shaking hands.

Good to see you. See you soon. I hit the elevator. I get in the elevator. There's a guy. He looks like, I forget his name. He's like the really short, fat comedian who's not really funny. He hangs out with Nick Kroll's group.

I don't know his name i don't know but anyway i'll think of it later okay this guy is sitting in the back of the elevator with a mask on i get on without a mask on he goes you've got to be kidding me and i and i'm like i thought that maybe i hit an extra button and i was like shit. You've got to be kidding me. You come on this elevator without a mask on. I turn around and I'm like, I was speechless. I was speechless. I was speechless. He gets off the elevator and looks at me and he goes, you're a real asshole.

Still speechless. And as the doors close, I'm like, fuck you. That's all I can do. That's all I can do. And you know what? Also not, and I don't blame you one bit and you see that's my reaction good right it even shouldn't be though right i would do the same thing as you did in that moment 100 i probably would have been a little more animated but like this is madness, dude. I mean, they did a number on me. How so?

The point of the story that I was telling you was eventually now I get to a point where I still keep this fucking mask. Sometimes I wear it around my wrist like a watch just in case I feel like I'm in a situation where I better put this thing on or else I'm going to be in a situation where I'm going to have to fucking verbally assault or verbally get into an argument or whatever you want to call it because of this stuff. So, I mean, to get to your point, which was how we started this whole thing is that's me who I basically, you've went to college with me for four years. There's not a lot that could shake me. And this has kind of, I don't want to say it's actually a Pavlov's dog situation, but it's getting there.

Oh, that's great. I haven't heard that yet. That's great. And I'm kind of getting to the point where I think things are looking up. I think people are backing off because I think people, you know, listen, like you said, left, right, center. They're getting tired of this. You're Australian, European, American. They're getting tired of this.

You know what I mean? There's enough people who aren't, though. That's the problem. enough people who were so lost and had no hope and felt like everything, like the same people I talk about who even are pissed at this whole thing, there's another diaspora of them who've just decided it's never going to get better. And this is actually the best thing that ever happened to them. They're forced to be locked inside. And so they want to lock everyone else inside too, to convene in their misery and that's what scares me and like there's a part of me that really empathizes with those people

but we've made political issues out of shit that is not even remotely political and now it's i love that you just said the pavlov's dog thing because that's exactly what it is you keep once people take an attitude on something and you keep just reinforcing it down the line and that's not a perfectly parallel example but you understand what i'm getting at here eventually it just becomes reality same way that like if you like when when I started doing this, my best, because there's some of this shit going on with me, like we've talked about it, my best work comes late at night. So my schedule is weird now. You know, I'm up until 4 a.m. I wake up at about 10, 10.30.

I used to be a guy getting up to work out at 4.45 in the morning, right? So now I'm the opposite and there's a few different reasons for that. But in order to go back to that, obviously I have to get out of here because of some of the other shit. But yeah, there's a certain level to it where that would not just snap – even me, that would not snap a finger that would be like all right i need to plan 28 straight days of getting up at 4 45 and being in bed and ready to shut my eyes at you know 11 o'clock at night or 10 30 at night or whatever so once you've now made society fear all of this and then you've also given them chaos by lying to them i think maybe some people didn't lie they actually thought certain things were going to go And you've also given them chaos by lying to them, I think. Maybe some people didn't lie.

They actually thought certain things were going to go a certain way. And maybe this thing is going to improve. People don't throw that out there. Maybe they are. Even if it's big pharma companies that you don't like, and I fully understand that and agree. They buy the media, all that shit. Maybe they are going to come up with the thing that actually really does stop it but since they haven't and they said they did the fact that you have all these people who are upset

at that but all these other people who seem to be oblivious to it it goes to show you it's because they've been conditioned over and over and over again, especially people who, you know, lean very, very hard left, who only listen to that echo chamber. That's what that echo chambers wanted. Ever since Trump got out of office, or was starting to get out of office, and this whole thing moved over to Biden, they now became the, we're all doing it. And if you don't, fuck you. You're an idiot idiot listen to the state you know that's not what liberalism is supposed to be liberalism is supposed to question the state that's what disappoints me and there are still a lot of liberals out there who feel that way who

are just disenfranchised right now and i i don't i think the the train has left the station i i think the people who are dug in are dug in. It sounds like you think some people will go back and or are starting to just be totally sick of it. And there definitely are. I agree with that. But it's like, are enough of them like that? I don't know. All it takes is one person in the room to be like, are we risking people's lives? And enough people to be like, yeah, we might be even if in their head, they're thinking thinking that's bullshit but they don't do anything about it so you have in this conversation about you know mask wearing whatever you want to call it you have the right side of the spectrum which basically will point out the um you know the bs for once you actually have a a group that it gets mocked for not really looking at data and science yeah they're actually looking at it yeah and they're questioning and they're criticizing these studies and you and i we had to take a couple biology classes on our our way to our bs degrees technically a BA, but you get my point. Yeah. And we would have, we would have, we'd have these, these,

these case studies in our textbooks where you're talking about like 50 years worth of data that's compiled and, you know, and we're still at the end of the day, they're like, well, science is science. You know, you never know. Yet we have these studies that happen within six months, a year. The left relies on it, and the right says, wait a second. This is like the antithesis of everything you've told us all these years. Why now are you backing this pseudoscience when you're telling us that's not how things work?

But the political side of it, why these people don't stand up in the middle, it's simple. The right and the far left of the spectrums, they go out and vote in numbers. They go in hordes. They're not the majority of America. They go out in hordes. And what the media does is one side of the media says, you see these lefty commie psychopaths? You better get out and vote. We don't want this shit happening.

And the moderates say, yeah, you're probably right. That's a little too much for me. Then you got the other end on the right. You see these gun-toting, they got guns and lines coming to the voting booths. And you got the people on the left who live in suburbia, who's the mothers are like, and the fathers are like, oh, I don't want my kids around this shit. And there's no middle ground. The far right goes out and votes, and they're being used by the left to say, moderate left, go out and vote. The crazy left goes out and vote in numbers, and they use them to say, moderate right, you're going to be soviet union in the next couple years it's that's really what it is it's against the polls

the polls get people to go out and vote a guy in the middle that says it sits down like maybe you do let's talk about this shit sit down let's talk about this let's today's this topic today's gone right tomorrow is uh uh you know the the just abysmal education systems that are in place in these inner cities. People would probably be like, yeah, let's talk about this shit. These are all issues. But that's not what they want. They don't want that. It's alarming.

It's alarming. And I knew that in the sense that not enough people are doing this, but over the past few weeks especially, I've gotten a lot of personal messages and even a few that were public too that blew me away from people. By the way, everyone who has sent me some stuff, and people have been sending me things that are nice for a long time. So thank you to all of you. I want to say that. But just the ones that are in my head recently, especially just because it's fresh on the mind.

Thank you for putting that out there and understanding where I'm coming from. But if I were going to combine all the themes these, the fans have been hitting on why they like the show and why they've listened

to it and and and enjoy it as like a break from things it's because number one i have all different voices in here i will have someone like you and actually a perfect example i just had moose in here moose is actually not a perfect example because he's all over the place but like i can have someone like you i always cite this one and terence jones in here back to back it's no problem i get i get someone who's a lifelong conservative and someone who's a lifelong liberal who both walk the talk i think horowitz is probably the biggest liberal you've had in here no not even close horowitz is a libertarian i just had to take a shot yeah okay he heard that one but he's gonna get pissed at that one horos horos podcast aged if people haven't gone back and listened to

that listen to episode 17 alex horowitz dropped some fucking bombs in here and ignore the half hour where the two of us defended andrew como's response to go but i'll tell you okay i'm wrong that was a cold take i'll admit we were cold on that one but still the rest of it was great anyway but yeah i'm trying to oh yeah defend what what they were saying yeah like the thing that is alarming to me about what they were saying though is not that they're saying these things to me that I very much appreciate. It's that the connotation and even what some of them explicitly have said is no one does this. And what I know from talking to a lot of them – now, some of them who text me are from very clearly left and some of them are from very clearly right. And they still say this stuff, which I'm cool with because I understand people are going to think different things that's fine that's any system but like there are people who are texting me who are in that boat who are like i just hate all this you know i just want

to hear people talk about like we all want the same things like the same themes i hit on and yet very few people are stepping up and doing that, which I never thought about. So I don't want to take credit for that. I never thought about that. I was just like, all right, well, I got to start a podcast. Let's roll, right? And I just happen to be in this zone where that's how I think based on my life experiences. And now a lot of people appear to be incredibly refreshed by that.

And so what I say is, okay, i'm some asshole in jersey doing this all the other people who are thinking like this i'm not maybe it's not a podcast i don't know maybe it is do something like this work something like this into your life where other people can benefit from hearing that people can be civil and people can you know they can argue too they can have disagreements they can have fun they can like the pop culture and culture is about having fun it's about having a a peaceful society where people can can bullshit but you know they can also be serious and they can also have hard discussions and not hate each other afterwards that's that's what i like to do in here i like to keep it because that's how i talk to do in here. I like to keep it because that's how I talk with people in real life. I like to keep it heavy and light. I like

to be ridiculous where people are laughing at me. And then also, you know, serious where people are like, whoa, I wonder what that guy's going to say now. You know, there's a benefit to both of it. And maybe it's my own confirmation bias that I don't think it's that hard, but I actually believe that there are a lot of people out there who could – they're going to do it in their own way, but they could have conversations like this. And if more people could see that there are so many people like that who are just not crazy, more people might have faith in the system and, more importantly, faith in the ability to change it. Yeah, I mean, like I said, it comes down to, again, the polls, the political polls. What's his name? Who I know a lot of people don't like. I can't say I'm the biggest fan of him.

I think he's kind of – he thinks he's more cerebral than he is. It's Jordan Peterson. I'm pretty sure I got his name right. I like Jordan Peterson. So Jordan Peterson is being interviewed and I believe it's an Australian talk show. Yeah, I've seen this. And, you know, he starts basically saying, you know, how can you expect me to – how do you expect to understand me if you won't even listen to what I have to say? He goes, I've been here, a perfect gentleman, polite, listening to everything you had to say. And I can't sit here and say I agree with everything you have to say, but I've listened to it, and now I am smarter because I've done that. I am tired, and I haven't been called it fortunately maybe i don't talk enough maybe you know i can learn from you in this sense but i don't get called a bigot i have ideologies that i know pete the talking heads would say this is one of them

go find them in the restaurants pull them out on the streets but um at the same time it's like i sit here and listen to all of this yeah the same points and it's a shame because i think the good stuff is drowned out um you know i think that i was fortunate enough to hear in college ideas from certain professors and while you know i can't say i agree with everything, I learned. I will give you this credit, too. Because, I mean, you were the guy walking into the bar. You couldn't do this these days.

But you were the guy walking into the bar with the God Guns and Infidel shirt, you know? Yeah. And yet, I've told this story before, but you'd be the guy hugging it out and talking with the biggest leftists on campus. And, like, that was a real thing. Like, you and Darby were, like, good friends good friends which was yeah today i don't know if that could happen but like which is sad but that was incredible but still you to your credit you took like what was your official major again political science yeah and you were you purposely i guess put yourself in some of the most quote-unquote opposite belief type classes that would exist on that campus.

And maybe it wasn't like it is now because that was a little before shit got crazy. But still, I always want to give you credit for that because you're a very clear conservative scholar, all this thing. And yet you at least do expose yourself to that stuff yeah yeah uh you know meat really pushed me to get into some of those classes you know he was he was he was you know he'd be muttering this shit in his sleep no i'm kidding um he was muttering cigarette butts where are your butts at um, no, in all seriousness, yeah, I mean, it was different. I had guys like Darby who, yeah, I mean, we, every Thursday would be the, you know, let's have our first tea, you know, casually kind of wave to each other and say,

hey, how you doing? Long Island iced tea. Long Island iced tea. Shit was dead. The next Long Island iced tea would then be, all right, let's take a stroll outside. We'll let Quinn mediate this thing over a cigarette. And I don't think Darby ever smoked, actually. I think he would just come out just to just continue arguing.

Oh, what a savage. He really would do that? I don't think he smoked. He definitely didn't. He was like a good kid. But him and I would be going at it. And then you hear Quinn, and he'd be like, well, you know, listen, at the same time, this is really a human issue.

And me and him were just like, shut, just Quinn. You go talk about that. No, I'm just kidding. Quinn, can you call us, brother? Seriously. I have public service announcements. He's out there. He's out there. The kid's a fucking ghost.

Yeah. Anyway. Talk about a brilliant guy. But anyway. Brilliant fucking guy. But you're right. There's no uh it's so hard to find common ground and it's getting worse i mean it is getting worse and worse um yeah we had a unique thing going there at that school i i truly believe we did and it was a good time to have it too i didn't appreciate it at the time because we didn't we didn't really see you did a

little bit towards the end but not many of us really saw how this was going to go where there was going to be such tribes with it like you could see some signs of it where it's like all right that's not the greatest but i don't think anyone envisioned even when we were in college in 2015 seeing you know what the whole trump clinton thing would become i don't think people i don't think anyone was thinking about like well what's the trump presidency going to look like like these weren't there was no way to simulate that and there was no way to really realize it the hindsight's 2020 but i definitely regret the fact that i didn't stop and enjoy that then i enjoy it now thinking about it like when i would watch you guys because i was in college i was a very liberal individual but i was not an asshole i was more like i kept to myself with it you know whatever i was a big fan

of obama and all that and i would kind of i would never talk with you about it because i would just listen to you quinn would argue with you all night it was hysterical to watch and drake would walk away because he's like fuck this i can't deal with this and i just sit there and fucking eat my popcorn drink my beer and have a good time but. But now that or talking with Darby, it's like, god damn. I wish I could have captured that in a bottle on video. One thing I didn't fucking video the whole time. But seriously. And be able to play that for people now and say, this is what we need right here.

Watch these two people. They don't agree on a single fucking thing and they're buying each other drinks hugging it out smoking cigarettes when one of them isn't even smoking and having a good time and yet that can't happen now well fucks me up i think a part of it and i'll keep saying it because i think it's it's going to apply to a lot of what we're talking about, is the spectrums here. So, you know, I know, you know, not going into his business, but in conversations with, I don't know if Darby listens to this, but holy shit, man, he's going to be a hot topic at least for the next 10 seconds. But he, you know i know his background without going into detail was different than mine um yeah but we did share

one thing in common we were at a really freaking good school and we were able to go out on a thursday night and spend ten dollars on these freaking uh uh basically bottles of alcohol they weren't even drinks they weren't and uh That was the best $10 God ever spent. Right. So a part of me is saying to myself, you know what? We had a lot of good things going, so sure. For us, the conversation was just that. It was a conversation. But the way the media portrays these topics, for some people, it's perceived as life and death livelihood yeah so am i going to get shot by a cop am i going to get killed by a white supremacist and listen they will point they take i'll give them this they'll take examples that are real they will take problems

that have an element of truth to it it's not like everything they just make up we talk about these issues i think the fact that we still have to deal with race problems in this country is an embarrassment to me i just happen to know it's not 1860 out here right like there's a middle ground with it where it's like all right we gotta fix this but like we're getting there let's let's at least point that like this this is getting there this is this is still fucked up let's fix that but like this this part's get we don't do that because that doesn't sell they say america is this horrible country and it hates you if you're not white and everyone's white who's not black right like we've made jewish people

white we've made and moose had some good arguments on this, but like we've made Greek people white. We've made – you know what I mean? Like it's now this whole thing where it's like, wait a second. Hold on a minute. Hold on a minute. Everyone should be able to have their own cultures too and exist peacefully and also in their own ways at their own decisions assimilate with each other and not have any basis to to judge people against another based on their appearance it's very common sense yet we still struggle with it so what they do is they take that they rip that band-aid off and they say no no it's it's not just

it's not just a wound that needs stitches it's like yo your body's leaking you have hemophilia you're about to die and and everyone gets scared and then they take those examples you're pointing to and they say this is the rule of everything it's not these exceptions here i'm not saying they're all exceptions i'm just using a broad generalization right i mean like i said i i think that what you're doing is important because you actually the people that want to sit here and listen i hope that some of them if not the majority will to themselves, I have these thoughts all the time. Right. And I either don't have anyone to talk to about it.

I'm not comfortable bringing it up to people that I'm not close enough with. Or I just genuinely, you know, just don't want to have the conversation for whatever reason. But, you know, it needs to happen. It has to happen because this is not – it's a shame because we're involved, so we're obviously invested in what we're doing right now. But why is it that what we're doing is somehow less important than Andrew Cuomo, Chris Cuomo up there, you know, looking at the TV, you know, saying, you know. Why are they so zoomed in on his face?

I don't know. It's probably his idea. Like they're so zoomed in. I know. It's like, boom, like the grill. Did you hear, did you hear, I even have to have the second pour or the second sip of the next pour, and I already feel a little drunk. So I heard that Brian Humpty Dumpty, apparently today he came out.

He said he had the most highest rated show on all of CNN. So first of all, I'm starting to wonder what's going on with those two guys. That's our boy's neighbor, right? What's that? Humpty Dumpty. Who's Humpty? What do you mean? That's his neighbor.

What do you mean it's his neighbor? It's his neighbor. Where? His parents' house? Yeah, so it's not his neighbor anymore. That used to be his neighbor? Yeah. He's running around like, I'm not going to say.

A legitimate neighbor to his left or to his right? I'll tell you afterwards. Yes? I'll tell you afterwards. Yes, I'll tell you afterwards. Because I pissed in both directions. I think I might have got him. But he went on anyway, and he was like, he's talking about the highest rated show ever. They can't even get the news about their own network right.

He was wrong. It wasn't even the freaking highest rated show on CNN. So it's just like, man, these people. It's it don donny i don't fucking know i don't know i don't know man i don't even know i think that i thought don lemon was on msnbc mslsd oh man i don't even know what to say about it anymore it's not you can find a few shows here and there now that I'm watching any TV but you can find a few on certain channels where it's not too bad

but you know when they are? it's like midday you can go find people on CNN you can go find people on Fox News who aren't the worst thing God ever created but they're on when legitimately 10 people are got they got a thousand people watching at night but those primetime shows have the name brand recognition so they can cut that shit up for social media yeah and so it does it does the job and that's why you know when you see a story like

this latest cuomo thing where he's like literally interfering in investigations as a fucking journalist, no less, you know, it matters. And CNN, give CNN credit, suspended them, which they had to do.

But, you know, we've seen crazier shit where they just cover up for stuff and, you know, we'll see if he ever goes on TV again. I don't know if he will. Well, I said that everybody should be doing this.

And honestly, even podcasts I think people should consider doing. He should not. He should not fucking do it. He should just go home, sit around his yard, bare-ass naked, and just wilter and wither away at this point in his life. But he probably won't. I'm sure he'll do something. But what a family.

I mean, what a family. How do they get there? How do these people get there? How is one here? This one's on. It, like, blows my mind. And the writing's on the wall. I mean, the one guy, the brother, Fredo, you can't even approach a guy and criticize him.

He'll come after you. You can't even. It's not like LeBron probably gets called every name under the sun and just walks off the court. This guy who has a really, I don't think he's accomplished very much in his life besides somehow getting his ass in that chair. You say something to him, he'll chase you down the street. He'll be doing the fucking 110-pound dumbbell over his head and fucking talking shit i know it's like dude this guy's like these guys are angry dudes and like oh man it's just it's just crazy it's the italian blood you know how many italians out there are probably like what the fuck

oh my god i don't like you know i lived up in north jersey for the last five years, and it's like, I don't know any Italian Cuomo fans up there, I got to tell you, man. I can't count on one hand. But yet they'll sit there and he'll make all the Italian references and jokes like he's this wise guy, and his brother's like kind of a wise guy you know it like it it it like has this weird truth angle to it because his brother's like running this bully pulpit where we touch women in the breast and we don't ask we don't ask questions we're italian my mother taught me so we kiss my father he kissed i kissed bill clinton like do you yeah i think he actually said

that did he walk to the governor walks around these these events he's like midday events we're not talking about we're not talking about at some freaking nightclub in manhattan we're talking about midday events it just says oh i like that sausage in your mouth like what the fuck like this guy got away with this for this long it's just like we're an afternoon you know sister sister mary beth is next to the lady like she's talking to me you know what i mean it's like 12 o'clock at a freaking nursing home uh i mean these people they're just i mean but joe's joe is the he is the king of all midday touching and kissing and feeling of anybody.

I don't think he's a pedophile, though, now that I know what a real one is, thanks to 2019 through 2021. But, boy, man, he is just, whew. He's just. All right. Well, there's a good spot to turn it over to Uncle Joe here, Because I know you were honking your horn for Uncle Joe last year. Remember that? All five of us. Yeah.

And by the way, I like how this episode is going, this conversation is going, because I never know what the episode looks like till after. But we have like a meta theme here of Epstein. And we're working in the crevices of it. And we're going to come back to that and work it back around. But that feels very fitting because I don't want to ignore this trial like so many people are. But anyway, on Biden, where he's at right now, not that he's Epstein.

That's not what I was saying at all, people. I'm just saying all the little things we're talking about but to me you know i've always called it the biden administration because that appears to be more what it is i i think he didn't want to do this that's just my opinion i think he's an old man who wanted to be retired and for whatever reason they said you got to do this so you know he's not with it the way a president needs to be with it. I think pretty much anyone knows that. I also think that most people, and I totally get this, voted for him because he wasn't Trump. And so there's a lot of people who voted for him who didn't endorse him or anything. And that's fine i you know that's that's the nature of where society was last year and i get that but it wasn't the worst thing i've ever seen for the first several months i mean it was predictable the whole like when they started the post-vaccine push where it was like all right we're gonna take the masks off and whatever in may they waited four months to do it like there was a certain amount of political theater i saw through that shit right

away but the bar i had was so low it was so low that i was almost you know i'm sitting here in like the end of july and i'm like you know all right you know i don't really like what we're seeing, but this isn't as bad as I thought it was going to be. And then Afghanistan happens. And then we get into the whole where they start talking about the booster shot with everyone and not being honest about what it is and all that. And then we get to the continued, and this was happening from the beginning, let's be frank about this, the continued just comedy skits. They're literally Saturday Night Live skits of this guy trying to talk. And now it's gotten to a point where I'm like, oh, this is bad. This is real bad.

Yeah, I mean, it's kind of sad to see. I don't, I think he wanted to do this. Somebody that's a career politician like him who isn't – he's not brain dead. He's not. He's still a man that has thoughts, feelings, aspirations, hatred, all the emotions that we feel. So I disagree that he didn't want this. I don't think he wanted it as badly as others wanted it for him. So I disagree that he didn't want this. I don't think he wanted it as badly as others wanted it for him. But I guess I'm with you in the sense that he didn't need this.

But at the same time, again, knowing him and I could tell you I have a, I'd say close friend of my parents, not necessarily of me, but I've met this couple on numerous occasions. I will never say their name. They were members at the Wilmington Country Club. Where I caddied for five years. Right. So maybe we have what to talk about here. Fine. His brother-in-law all the time. So I had a conversation with the wife of this couple,

and she was not at all surprised that not only was he tapped, he was as eager as he appeared to be to do this because that was him. I mean he – Off camera you're going to tell me who this is. Of course. OK. Because I definitely know them. This is kind of I think his – the last stop on his political journey. Yeah, no shit, Sherlock. Well, but at the same time, you know, where we are now, I was very disappointed, at least in the first few months.

Topic by topic, but more importantly, Afghanistan, which deserves, you know, some thought, you know, the border crisis was a mess. What was, okay. Can you go into what was going on there so it started with undermining um years four years of a concerted effort to not only empower the border patrol um by way of uh actual support monetary support uh support from the federal government in terms of you can go do your job, and we're going to ensure that the fruits of your labor are actually, you know, something that you can at the end of the day say, I prevented this from happening to this person.

Like ICE, ICE you're saying. Yeah. Yeah. Because at the end of the day, the story we all hear is the mother and her daughter crossing over, running from cartel members. Her village is burning behind her, you know, and that exists, of course. It does. That scenario exists. I'm not ignorant to that fact, but there are major, major problems with having an open border or, if not having it, not supporting those who are actually there to defend the border from not just, you know, terrorism or drugs, but also human rights violations, also child trafficking, also crimes that, again, we prosecute to the fullest extent of the law

inside our country with American citizens. So that was a mess. But, yeah, the Afghanistan exit was a little shocking. And I think even more shocking was it was really covered by the news outlets, even those that seemed to be friend of the administration. So – and I never understood that. Because then they stopped. What's that? Because then they – that's – this is real.

I'm glad you brought this up. I haven't brought this up once on this podcast, but they did exactly what you just said, and it seemed like, oh, maybe are they going to turn on them now? Like, what's the plan here? And then back to normal. Yeah, I mean, I kind of suspected there would be a little bit of that, but it was kind of highlighting just the instability there. And I guess at the end of the day, it may have actually benefited the administration because they're actually showing and demonstrating how volatile the situation was. Maybe it justifies how quickly they departed versus a more of a strategic, let's just get the F out of here and move on type of decision-making. It was more of like a, we got to get the F out of here and move on type of decision-making. It was more of like a, we got to make a call here.

It's this bad. So I don't know why the media covered it the way they did. It could have just been the fact that they wanted ratings, and that's usually what it is. But the bottom line is we made strides in, I thought, the Middle East, brokering peace deals where we could, trying to create some, if not a government, but just some organization in these countries that would hopefully lead to stability versus— But hold on. You have to say this though. We did – the first year in Afghanistan, I think if you went and reviewed the tape, we did a pretty good job. We went there and we took the Taliban out of power. They were people who had supported al-Qaeda.

It wasn't al-Qaeda but they were the people who had openly harbored them and we went into the mountains of Tora Bora and the only thing we didn't do was get bin Laden, which some people think we were not aggressive enough in the sense that we could have had him a couple times and didn't. But whatever. Like the rest of it seemed pretty good. But then we went to Iraq. And we stopped. Iraq had – look, Saddam Hussein was an awful human being. Tortured his people. Bad guy.

Not unhappy that he's gone. The problem is, he had not only nothing to do with 9-11, or the terrorists. This was one thing Trump was right about on the campaign trail in 2015, that he got away from this message. And he should have repeated this forever, in my opinion. But he killed terrorists. He didn't like terrorists. So, like, we did this whole war and created a quote-unquote two-front war and then completely destabilized Afghanistan through that and afghanistan was basically allowed to have this cyclone of confused people who were in the middle of the old school trying to fight back for the lost power

while the while the enemy quote-unquote was taking their eye off the off the ball and not paying close enough attention so they could actually build versus the new school trying to bring in democracy and created this divided society. Sounds like something pretty familiar that then 20 years later that chicken was allowed to roost. Yeah, I mean, again, I think we could sit here all day and talk about U.S. intervention in the Middle East, Gulf War, when some of our greatest foes were allies at the time. So I guess my bigger concern about what happened was it was such an obvious attempt to undermine both fronts.

I'm talking about the border and Afghanistan. such an obvious political effort to undermine the former president's, I mean, they were, it was policy, effort, whatever you want to call it. And it's a shame because when we see it all the time, these, and it's not just Republican, Democrat, we see one wing, they make a stand in one area, whether it's domestic, foreign, whatever it is. You see progress. You see things kind of looking better for whoever the effect it is at the time. And that exact, whether it's inner cities here, whether it's Afghanistan, whether it's Europe. And it's like the incoming administration has to tear the shit down. It's like a fucking birthright. They have to tear it down.

And it's like, no wonder we can't get shit done. You got four years of this guy. Maybe you get another four years of that guy. But after eight years, we're tearing that down. We're starting fresh. You get four years this time, tearing it down. We're starting fresh. It doesn't surprise me we're in this you get four years this time tearing it down we're starting fresh doesn't surprise me we're in this cycle it doesn't and and i don't i don't necessarily buy into well

you know you have a you have a multi-party system in europe and this is why it's the same shit the ideologies aren't that different um but i think that in our in our country at least it's so uh cyclical i mean even the stock market you can you can you could predict i mean i couldn't believe that i i know morgan stanley they send out the uh uh before the elections they'll send out uh statistics morgan stanley advisor yeah right they send out uh statistics on what to expect when you have a republican house versus democratic senate dual democratic house senate dual house republican house senate uh with i i mean it's like it's it's data driven i mean they know what they're going to expect because it's so cyclical it's the same shit over and over again so i i think afghanistan is an example of we had it going this way new

administration comes in and the only thing biden did wrong was holy shit man they fucking left and they left in a hurry and then they went oh shit yeah we forgot we forgot about two dozen people um you know i'm not i'm not laughing because it's just like it's laughable because it's like crazy but it sounds it sounds stupid and silly when you think about it and talk about it but it's kind of what happened. But the other thing I just heard, which I couldn't remember, it's not even I don't want to try to conceal this person's identity. I don't remember who told me it, but evidently at McGuire, they have like hundreds of Afghan refugees just sitting in these military bases. And they're now trying to send them to different parts of this,

in this circumstance, different cities in New Jersey. I think Mount Holly was one of them where they're considering, you know, actually relocating all of these Afghan refugees. But it's like we're just like babysitting people. It's like, and if they, if they, and it's not that,

here's the thing though. It's also not their fault. Cause we came and, and I know you know that, like we came in there and we had to, and we also like at first, great, liberated them from this whole thing.

We let women go back to college and have an you know what i mean and now because we like gave them hope and then said oh by the way yeah fuck you we'll you guys figure it out and then let these old school people find power again we've now left them holding an empty bag and and but to be clear you're not just talking to you you're not necessarily talking about like the translators and stuff that we left behind who helped us literally like in our efforts. You're talking about regular people. Oh, yeah. And I get that.

And it's not to say like you don't get that either. a little bit of a responsibility too that as an american citizen who's never been over to afghanistan in service or anything like that and knows what i know based on what i see right like there's a limited amount that i could know i think it's pretty easy to tell that there are a lot of victims that we gave that false hope to who now there's a sense that we may owe him something as a human being i i'm with that no you can't um you can't take it as far as putting these people wherever they're from through military operations military, using military equipment, drag them over to, we're not even talking about like Germany and Poland. We're talking about from the Middle East to the United States,

which I only want to sit on that plane ride, let alone be uprooted, whether you want to go or not. And then all of a sudden say, yeah, sorry, we're going to have to figure something else out. Yes, when you take them. Oh, like send them back? Right. Oh, that would be a mess.

I agree with you there. When you take them into this country, knowing their situation and why they're even on that plane. Yes. Unfortunately, at that point, I don't say unfortunately because the type of people or where they're from or what their beliefs are. I'm talking about, unfortunately, when you take such control over someone's lives because you can, yes, you can't just then turn around and say, yep, oops, we made a mistake. Exactly. I said, now I understand. You know what? I jumped on you a little bit there. That's my bad. I understand where you're going now. Yeah. It's, and you know, I don't know. I still think that the border is a little different.

Southern border is a little different. I don't think it's, I mean, I think it's a little different, even culturally than the Middle East. You know, we share a lot in common with South America. Um, how so? I mean, well,

I mean, you can literally cross a land border, but, um, you know, religion, uh, you know,

they, they're, you know, Roman Catholicism. It's just like, you know, as, as,

as, as, I mean, we are, I guess we are a Protestant country, but, um, it's fucking Irish. But, and Italian. But, you know, they, there are some commonalities.

So I think it's different. But listen, the bottom line is you got to take care of your own in that situation, too. You know, you don't want to leave people behind. Listen. Yeah. Hillary Clinton. You know what maybe bloomberg wants to talk about this you know hillary clinton benghazi okay you know and i'm not saying i'm not just going to start doing hot topics and just you know that sounded like trump benghazi at it. But if you think about it, how come Hillary Clinton, they wanted to put her in jail because there is an insurrection that the CIA may have, or FBI I should say, may have known there's a potential for insurrection in Occupy the Middle. Whoa, I mean, these guys are sophisticated. This is sophisticated intelligence here.

They thought there might be an insurrection. But in all seriousness, they were literally take her out to the freaking shooting yard. And yet Biden just says, oh, yeah, well, listen, we were in a hurry. You know, we left two Americans behind. That was four or five days ago. Right, right, right. And nothing. And nothing.

Yeah. And they're talking about, you know, a decade, not even. Difference. and nothing yeah and they're talking about you know a decade not even difference you know what though the the extreme affects both ends of it you're right it's like that went away and they they were hard on him for like a week i was like oh shit like even stefanopoulos made him look bad like straight like the selective editing in that interview i was like i thought they were interviewing trombos fucking nuts but the other side too and i get it like when when you lie to people so much the idea that some people are going to assume that there's no truth is a reasonable thing i hate to say that but and and it pisses me off sometimes because I'm like, really?

Like are you really going to – but once I step back, I'm like, hey, I get it. Like you've been lied to so much. You're going to start to think that nothing's there. And like there was one video I put up on the platforms that for whatever reason on YouTube it actually clicked which is like unreal but it was it was a 23 second short where i was just talking about the airport in afghanistan where you see like a few people falling from the planes and shit and i had the split screen videos and whatever and i guess in the context of youtube shorts this went like a little viral and it did some millions and so i got a lot of comments and i'm telling you every other comment i see

is like someone like that shit's not real that didn't happen the media painted the whole thing and i'm just like all right i wouldn't it wouldn't surprise me if some of it was sensationalized don't get me wrong i wasn't born yesterday but like people are saying like no one fell from a plane that didn't happen the airport wasn't real it was all staged actors and i'm like you know i see three people say this then i see 10 people say this once it gets to you know 50 000 views then i see 100 people say it one once it's at 100 000 views and now it's every other comment moving in over the months as this thing goes on and i'm like holy shit there's a lot of people that are that far gone and

motive wise again i get it because like you get lied to so many times it's like you're not gonna believe anything but i'm like they're so far on the other end they're like they won't believe anything i could i could roll a tape and say look at this here's six angles of it and they'll be like no it didn't happen that's dangerous to me and and the weird thing is while i look at that and i'll tell people like that that i don't necessarily blame them for i'm blaming the people that have made them lose that trust for so long the same people that talk about something like that for a week. Make the president look bad, as he should in that scenario. And then, oh, it's gone. Yeah, I blame the education system in Afghanistan that taught these people that they can get onto a plane outside of it and survive in the air.

I don't think that's what it was. I'm just fucking with you. All right, just making sure. I thought I was going to have to hedge for you. No, I mean, listen, it's just that was how desperate these people were. And you also, you're not necessarily talking about in this situation, everyday Taliban members hopping on this plane. You could be talking about people who have connections to the United States government. You could have people that work on military bases.

You're telling me if the United States leaves, all all right they're no longer occupying this area and all of a sudden um you're left with what's basically you know terrorist occupied territory you don't think they know you were working on a military base you don't think they know that even if it was as simple as cleaning out the shitters on the base you don't think that there's a chance that they're going to say you were conspiring with the United States military and we're going to kill you and your family. So, listen, there are people on that plane, whether I want them here or not, who are on there because they feared for their lives. So that's what it is. A hundred percent. But at the end of the day, it's, you know, the media, they hopped on it. I think it got everyone's attention.

It disappeared. Stephanopoulos, whatever, however you say his fucking name. I'm tired of looking at him, by the way. I watched him for, it was about an hour. He doesn't have a great face way I watched him for It was about an hour He doesn't have a great face I watched him for an hour That's a very dislikable face You know he

He interviews these people And he asks He He asks like one Like Pointed Controversial question Like I listen to WIP in the morning

So you know Angelo's like Well I You know he starts whining Talk to me Marge Yeah yeah yeah Yeah yeah Yeah But he Robin Mayfair You're on 94 WIP You know So it's like, well, he starts whining. Talk to me, Marge. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Bob and Mayfair, you're on 94 WIP. You know, Sirianni on it. He'll be like, he'll like butter him up for two questions. He goes, your strength is to run. You have a running quarterback. Why'd you throw the ball there? Kobe, Nick, what was the thought there? Right, so at least this guy is a more competent interviewer. But Stephanopoulos is like, it's all fluff.

And then he'll ask the one question. And then the other person will be like, well, unless he's interviewing Trump, that is. They almost have the dun-dun-dun music in the background, too. Right, right, right. It's so state. I see the previews for that Alec Baldwin thing that you watched and I didn't. But I see the 60 60 second commercial spot they're putting up to pump that and I'm like this is this is exactly what people don't want it looks like a

movie it doesn't look like a real interview it's not like you have to understand these media outlets still don't understand that fucking 30 million people listen to Joe Rogan who sits in there and talks about fucking mushrooms with people with no music in the background and some one asshole dipshit great by the way producer sitting there making the whole thing happen yeah i don't i don't know uh i mean alec baldwin he will be facing well he already they already filed a civil suit i think there's i know there's over 30 plaintiffs, I believe. Against him? Civil suit was filed against him, yeah. For what? Which is shocking.

I guess the allegation is it's just simple. It's based in negligence. It's not a criminal case. It never will be. I think the sheriff or whoever, I don't even know where the hell they were. It was somewhere in the desert. Yeah. Yeah, I think they've all but concluded that there's no criminal.

There was no intent. Well, there's, well, right. To me, look, no one knows that, but I think it's fairly clear. No, that's, I mean, I agree with you. But he's at the same time, if I was his lawyer for the civil suit, my first, let me put it this way. My client gets injured in an accident. My next move isn't, why don't you go home with a steppanopolis and talk about how bad your back hurts. So at the same time, it's like, I saw this come up and I'm like, that's why I was so intrigued. Because even my girlfriend's like, these are like the last two people you want to see on TV, let alone watch.

And I'm like, you know what? I'm like, I want to hear what this is about because some legal jujitsu is going on here where his lawyer said, you know what, Alec? Sit down with George. Sit down with George. Let's get you to cry about the good stuff and cry about the bad stuff. Let's humanize you. And I think ultimately it probably benefited him to do it, but he is such a hothead that I didn't know what was going to happen.

It probably wouldn't have aired it. I'm sure there was 16 different drafts of contracts just to get him in that seat of what's crazy the whole thing is crazy so i will never just i'll make this promise i'm never fucking doing that and if people ask for that i will tell you guys maybe i won't say the name of who did it but i'd be like i was gonna have somebody someone on they wanted all this bullshit i don't do that like i don't understand how that's still acceptable even in mainstream media like you either do it or you don't get with. Like, I don't understand how that's still acceptable even in mainstream media. Like, you either do it or you don't. Get with it or not.

Train's rolling. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like, that's fucking the backroom elitist lawyer dealing, which I know is not the rooms you're in at all. No, no. Furthest thing from it. Furthest thing from it. You're fucking chasing those ambulances. Backroom maybe, but not elitist.

Yeah. You're in the backroom of the Fop or some shit like that like you know what i mean like it's it's it's literally medieval at this point yeah it's um it was kind of uh shocking to see it it's's clearly all, you know, it's mutually beneficial, obviously. Like I said, I was skeptical. It's truck month at GMC. Tackle the open road with added confidence in a 2025 Sierra 1500 Pro Graphite at 0% financing for up to 72 months. With an available 5.3 liter V8 engine, 20 inch high gloss black painted aluminum wheels,

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seconds to realize listen the guy ain't sitting in the fucking chair unless it's helping him um he he's not doing it to uh you know memorialize what you know these people did or what what this um uh this woman who was killed uh you know you. I mean, they talked about her. Did you believe him? Huh? Did you believe him? Did I believe him? See, that's the thing.

For me, it's not like a believability thing. according to the people I've heard, the talking heads on both sides, there's apparently an industry standard where when you're given a gun, you treat it as a loaded gun at all times. Yes. And that's how I think. That's how just regular gun owners act. Yes. You know, the rules, you never point a gun at anybody unless you want to kill them. Unless you're the prosecutor in the Kyle Rittenhouse case. What's that. Unless you're the prosecutor in the Kyle Rittenhouse case.

What's that? Unless you're the prosecutor in the Kyle Rittenhouse case. Right. Right. I think that guy was just trying to become a meme at that point. I don't know what he was doing. I respected the fact that afterwards, he was like right away, like, fully respect the jury's decision. I think they came to a fair trial.

See you later. You know, like, he knew. Yeah. the jury's decision i think they came to a fair trial see you later you know like he knew yeah i don't think i said to somebody um written house or not written house the prosecution in that case was probably dealt one of the shittiest hands he's ever been dealt in his professional career. Yep. Yet he, for what it was worth, sold me on the fact that he really thought he was looking across at pure evil. And I don't think he was effective,

but I genuinely believe that he wanted to lock this guy up for fear that he was an absolute menace to society see i'll disagree with you and i'll say that that actually makes the point that that he was he's like outside of what you consider moral or whatever and outside of backroom dealing he's an effective attorney to some extent at least and was able to get that across because i think that based on how he handled it right afterwards and then shut the fuck up and got out of there and was like nope fully accept it we're moving on i think that he had he had no choice i i think he was told that's my point exactly i'm saying that i think he tried the case ineffectively in the approach.

So I look at it, I broke it down. Even the witnesses, you know, when you put a witness on the stand, you want to make sure, even in my business, you want to make sure you know what they're going to say. And you want to make sure that you're able to at least, you don't really want to prep a quote unquote independent witness. I don't know necessarily in a criminal sense, because I may deal with a criminal or two, but I don't do criminal law. But, you know, I don't know necessarily if you call that an independent witness. I think that's really a witness for the prosecution.

So there's got to be some level of prep involved in that. But he had no control over his witnesses. I mean, they were basically conceding uh you know that not only were they armed that they were pointing guns at this guy yeah there's not look he had no as a lawyer like if he was forced into that in the back rooms like literally like threatened that's what i mean like not just i'm not just talking about someone who like cowered and was like fine i'll do it because you're making me do it and i won't quit i think it was like no you're gonna do this you know the whole man in the black hat thing i really do from the top and there was video there what like here's the problem once you did determine that he didn't break a gun law

which again kid was a dumbass and there's no way he knew when he was going there that he wasn't breaking the law with that gun there's no way you cannot tell me that he knew that the kid was a dumbass he wasn't a hero he wasn't any of this shit he should have never been there but being a dumbass if it doesn't break the law is not breaking the law and so once he was there and hadn't broken the law being there he was lawfully there when you kill people in clear self-defense on fucking video if you're the prosecutor in that case you have an impossible case to say nothing to your point, the witness that is alive that he got to cross-examine was – I mean to say he was a flawed witness wouldn't even be describing it half-fairly. I mean he was down to the point where they expunged his record like four days before the trial began. I mean this guy was a disaster of a witness, and I'll him credit he was honest on the stand oh yeah yeah

dude i will get listen as fucked up as that guy might be i will give him that like he did not go review what he did this gauge got whatever the fuck his name was the gauge guy like review what he said and then also watch the tape on anything that can be corroborated there he was he called it honestly he shouldn't be alive to be honest with you um because he yeah because the other guys got killed right yeah but um he uh i thought that the and this is and this is why i'm telling you written house and sandman are gonna have to share custody of c when this is over. Who? Nick Sandman.

Oh, man. I think Sandman is going to get them on every other weekend. They'll probably share Christmas and just make it look all good. But at the end of the day, I thought the funniest part about this case was not – and really the whole thing isn't funny, but just in terms of the optics of it, they had a uh uh it appeared to be a pre-trial conference of course i've seen this on on the talk so i don't know what stage talk yeah do you call it the talk i don't know no you don't it's better than the day get the out of here oh my god don't ever do that again um please and and i'm a tick tocker okay

i have to i create an account just so i can shit on people that make fun of you on tiktok oh thank you so far yeah i'm over i'm over for that video i posted six i i just looked it's not like it's doing pretty good it's incredible it's doing pretty well yeah that's that's listen there's there's i've i see a lot of bullshit on there and your stuff is good but thank you. What I saw on TikTok was this. I think it was a pretrial conference. I'm not sure exactly, but that witness, the guy that got shot in the arm, so you see him on the screen, and you see Rittenhouse and his attorney. I'm putting that in the corner of the screen.

I'm putting that in the corner for people to see. Yeah, so Rittenhouse is sitting next to his attorney on Zoom. And then you see the witness, and all of a sudden his chair just drops. And you see, dude, Rittenhouse literally bends over. Like laughing his head off. Just laughing. And even the attorney can't help himself. And I mean, that was such a fucking metaphor for what the fuck this was.

But for what it's worth, and surprisingly, I've seen, well, I shouldn't say seen, I've heard people say the same exact thing, and I'm in an office of, I mean, majority left-leaning, including my own blood. And they had two verdicts within about that week's span in two cases involving a shooting death. What was the second one? The second one was the one, and it's a shame, I don't remember the case, the name of the guy that died.

But it was the case where he was a homeowner, he was fixing up a home in, it wasn't Alabama, but it was somewhere in the city. Oh, I don't know about this. I thought you were going to bring up Andrew Coffey. Well, anyway. You're not talking about the guy who killed the cops in the warrant? No, no, no, no. It's just civilian on civilian.

So there's a black guy who was building a home in this neighborhood. He periodically would come check on it. It was like literally in construction phase like it was all you know beams and and oh the arbury case yeah oh yeah this was a slam dunk right yeah there were there were two verdicts yeah that were right there was more than that there were actually three three and a half but yes the and and the arbery one i was actually thrilled how that went down because there were a lot of charges i think there were 27 total charges across the three different people and the jury deliberated for like a total like 10 hours right and that's

how it should have been because it was a slam dunk you know what i mean the only guy who had like a shadow of an argument was the guy taking the video right i guess but even that the complicity of the whole thing like being a part of it tracking them hunting them down you know what i mean so like it's it wasn't a hard case he's on hook for the crime itself yeah um you know i thought they were two correct verdicts, two different, completely different areas of the country. The jury makeup, I think, were – It was mostly white. Right, yeah. And that's generally – even in Philly, that's what it really is now.

I think that's a negative that that happens in the system where literally you know what they're doing in a case like that where they just strike jurors on on the basis of stuff but i will say that now in hindsight for this case i'm actually happy that not that i support the idea how it happened but i'm happy that it was like a mostly white jury who then was like oh yeah this is slam dunk in georgia you know you know how that looks and it's like okay you know like that's a good symbol it's a good symbol because it is a case that it should be like yes what we saw is what we saw that's it So we lost. I shouldn't say we lost. But, and small business owners definitely won.

But we didn't see any riding. We didn't see any looting. We didn't. And I think that verdict restored some faith. And I think the middle ground type people who were kind of on the fence thinking that this would be some kind of acquittal for these three guys. Well, we also didn't see it for Rittenhouse, though, too. What do you mean? It wasn't riding or looting. Well, because it was, I think, because we had, you know, again, it's the same conversation we started with.

It's a fucking scoreboard now. Yeah. It's a scoreboard. Yeah, it is. 1-1. It's 1-1. But that1. It's 1-1. That's what I disagree with though. That first case had nothing to do with race.

He shot three white people. I guess it was a Black Lives Matter. But the people who were there were rioters. They were not Black Lives Matter protesters. He did kill a black guy. No. I thought he did kill a black guy. No. I thought he did.

You didn't know? Dude, no. Well, I know he killed – All three of them were white. I know, and to my Jewish people out there, I know he did kill a Jewish guy. He killed – and again, if he had done it in cold blood and you saw it on video, it wouldn't matter who the victim is. But now that you can see it was self-defense, he killed a child rapist who also happened to be a Jewish guy. You're going to call him a child rapist on Hanukkah?

It's still Hanukkah. But no, it was too good a verse. But the problem is you and I sit here and look at it and say, all right, listen, the system works. But the pundits, the media, the powers that be are like, fuck. It's a great opportunity right there. I'm halfway there. And I used that line when I did my solo episode, and I've been thinking about that since – because I knew what I was trying to say, but I don't want to be taken out of context. The system, the justice system here is the best justice system in the world hands down

it does have elements of it that work and that actually have improved upon certain things there are still things though that are wrong that said when i see weeks like the last two weeks where i've seen a lot of positive cases including the one that i thought you were talking about at first the andrew coffee case i go all right we're at least moving in the right direction here there are like andrew caught do you know what that case is i've heard i talk about this guy and apologies to people who've heard the last two episodes one where i did it myself and then talking with moose but andrew coffee was a convicted felon low level offenses but it's also ironic his felony was for like battery fighting with a police officer who was on trial for a 2017 killing of multiple police officers and the jury correctly my opinion clearly found in Florida, red state, white jury, mostly white jury, found him innocent of killing the police officers, which he did kill because he was acting in self-defense because his idiot father was selling Oxycontin and shit.

So the cops were executing a big-ass warrant for low- like drug dealing. And he woke up, heard, saw a gun barrel through his window and started shooting. Right now he, he did own the gun illegally cause he's a convicted felon, which I could get into a whole argument there, but you know, he's already done four years in jail.

So hopefully that's the end of it for him. And like, I think, I think the guy seems like an okay guy based on what I've – I don't know, but based on what I've seen. Like when that case happens, comes down like the same day Rittenhouse does, and it's a black guy who killed cops no less in a red state. You know how that goes? I look at that and I go, I don't know that that would have happened five years ago. I don't know that that would have happened five years ago. I don't know.

And now you see people who are going, all right, you know how the government's making this case. Can we actually look at the case, though? And then 12 people go in there and go, guys, if you woke up in the morning, and the guy's girlfriend got killed, by the way. Ten shots to the gut by return fire by the cops. If you woke up that morning and you saw a gun barrel through your window, would you not grab your gun if you had it and shoot? And they all sat in there and they said, yeah, we would have. For some reason, this one isn't coming to mind, but I'll look it up and I'm sure we'll talk about it but um but you know the other thing is you have uh you know you do have scenarios where um yeah you see you see law enforcement is doing what they need to do and then you see just an ineffective you know essentially DA like you have in Philadelphia.

And I know we talked about it for a second, but you have this horrible thing that happened to a freaking 21-year-old. Oh, we were talking before a camera about this. 21-year-old Temple student gets gunned down, 17-year-old guy, North Philly guy. So, you know, we look at it, we say, listen. Wait, wait. It was a 21-year-old Temple student? Yeah yeah 17 year old 17 year old guy not a temple student gunned him down gunned him down

so we look at it we first at first glance you know it's philly shit happens um but who is this guy at 17 uh turns out aug, end of the summer. So the shooting just happens. August, end of the summer. This guy's picked up for armed robbery, carjacking, possession of a legal weapon. The eventual killer. The eventual killer. All right.

So the 17-year-old gets booked. Bail set at $200,000, 10%, $20,000 to get out of jail. He ain't getting out of jail at $20,000. A couple weeks later, municipal court, all of a sudden, the guy's able to walk free. The bail's reduced significantly and essentially to zero, which means the guy walks. After that, we have the first preliminary hearing all right so preliminary hearings an opportunity it's the opportunity for the the prosecution to really bring what they have at the table in front of this judge is there even a case here so apparently there's an eyewitness a

crucial witness to this they don't show so prosecution at the time says listen your honor we need a continuance they get a continuance it's a september this would have been the actual first preliminary hearing whatever i think happened in september so it's about maybe you call it two or three weeks after the guy's locked the guy's booked so they get in continuance they get a continuance you think when you ask for continuance you know the biggest piece of evidence that you're asking to continue this for is no witness you go get the witness second preliminary hearing da show the da shows up prosecution we're withdrawing all charges so they withdrew all charges kid walks free meanwhile he's on house arrest because after that bail he's on house arrest now so he's not locked up anymore so he's out in between that initial lockup, that bail hearing.

That's when eventually it's reduced to essentially zero. The guy walks. So after the second preliminary hearing, the DA says, well, we're withdrawing all charges. A few weeks later, he kills this 21-year-old Temple student. Illegal gun. They got rid of the charges. They withdrew the charges, yeah. They withdrew.

Now, why did they do that? I imagine that they told the judge there's a lack of evidence. I imagine. I mean, I haven't actually. Do you think that's legit? What's that? Do you think that was legit? I don't think, in my opinion, and again, I do civil law, okay?

My standards are preponderance of the evidence. I literally hold up a scale and I do it to the jury. I'm telling you, this shit's compelling to them because it makes the standard of my performance very low. I go, I got a scale. I was like, you've seen the scale. I got the people. Oh, no.

I said, you've seen the scale. I got a pile of salt on one side, and the other side I got the equivalent amount of salt. All I have to do for you people is get the smallest grain of salt and put it on my side, and I've proven my case. Wow. That's not the standard in a criminal case. That's beyond a reasonable doubt, which is a very, very, very tough standard, as it it should be you're dealing with someone's freedom i agree with that so you know they withdrew all this but this isn't the first time this has happened in this city there's a uh there's a

major movement to reduce bails um it's it's creating situations where you have uh alleged criminals walking violent crimes i'm not talking not talking about, you know, theft. I'm not talking about any type of fraud or, you know, even some of the crimes we were talking about earlier. I'm talking about, you know, armed robbery, violent crimes. They're getting out on the streets again. And at some point you have to weigh, you know, I understand that everyone wants to reform the criminal justice system, and there are places where it definitely needs to be reformed.

Yes. But you can't surrender a civil society in an effort or this drive to basically eradicate the system we have. You can't do it. Innocent lives are going to be lost. Families are going to be ruined. And this is the proof right here. Have you ever read Talking to Strangers by Malcolm Gladwell? No.

Okay. There's a study he did in that book that was brilliant. Or he didn't do it, but he reported on a study that happened where they went through, I think it was like the Southern District of Manhattan judiciary system and took a look at what the bail levels were set at for equivalent crimes across different races. And the takeaway wasn't, oh, these judges are racist. types of individuals from certain socioeconomic classes that make them appear to be of a certain level such that we're going to set their bail heel here versus the bail here for a person of a similar crime they're more desperate i got and so what the argument was is he was not screaming like oh they're all racist fuck some of them might be but a lot of them probably aren't they come by it honestly.

And the argument was, oh, should we put AI into this system to measure this stuff? And the overall meta theme is, well, does that mean we need to fix the whole bail system and just go lower on stuff? So this is a prime example of a system where it's like a little broken and the response is, let's fix it. But it's not a full-blown let's fix it it's unknowingly and maybe even unintentionally let's break it on the other end so let's go from 100 to 0 let's not go to 50 miles an hour so now we're letting people who may have just committed rape or some shit like that out on five thousand dollars bail that they can actually afford right that's crazy right the difference is setting the bail at five hundred thousand dollars for some kid who committed petty theft not that

that's that's a ridiculous example but you know what i mean so like it went from there and now it's here and neither one is good right i think my my understanding at least is the biggest the bigger problem in terms of it's not even uh bail. It's, I guess, the monetary aspect of, you know, these, not convictions, but these arrests are these fines. So you have certain counties where, you know, it could be a parking ticket. It could be a traffic violation, they will come get you. If you do not pay your fine, they will come get you.

They will incarcerate you. It is kind of mind-blowing. And I don't think that really – there's a lot of different ways, I guess, to punish those who will get these tickets and not pay them but i mean there are these counties out there where they will drag your ass into prison you will be forced to go you'll be incarcerated for a month you'll do you'll do labor you'll perform labor yeah in the prison and then they'll release you um i mean that shit's more scary to me than this bail. That's just bottom line.

But I understand where you're coming from. There's probably an issue with the way the bail is set. But, again, you can't have it that you look at the particular type of criminal. Because basically it's the flip side of the coin here. A guy like Krasner is looking at this guy. He's 17 years old. 17 years old, inner city. He's probably like, ah, you know, he's a troublemaker.

And now here we go. And it's like, it's a shit or a fart. You're fucked either way. You know, you either go the traditional route, which is lock them all up, and then you might do some shit that could at the very least appear prejudice at the worst appear worse than that or you go oh let me see the good side and is that really why they're doing it though like a friend of mine was was texting me about this on a group chat him on and he's like he's like one of these like radical libertarian types. And he was talking all about – I didn't know much about this, but the guy – what's his name again? Krasner?

In Philly. Like for example, he's a DA who's like heavily funded by Soros or some shit. And I think he – maybe I'm misquoting him here, so please check this, people. But I think he was also saying like the San Francisco DA, whatever that guy's name is, same deal. And there's other cities that are doing this and like that so here's my question around this and we i don't know i think we talked about soros for maybe two seconds the first time you're ever in here but i i think soros is a horrible guy i mean he was a if people haven't read his story he was a jewish guy who basically

hid among the nazis and behaved as a nazi which is just like i mean i don't know what to say that but you know the way he's used is like this term everything is george soros i've just done like some idiot math in my head and i'm like well i guess he's funded seven trillion dollars worth whatever in the last five years and he's not that rich so he's not doing that but there's definitely an element to where for whatever reason he is trying to push certain initiatives and trying to push certain people and i don't know i don't know what it is but how much of it is you're getting these da's who are to use your words as you did there conservatively and and i mean that in a good way looking at this like oh well maybe he's a good kid versus this is like a plan kind of thing for chaos i i don't i don't know i mean i i'd like

to think that uh krasner because his his his, you know, we're not, these people aren't robots, okay? That's what I'm saying. They can't all be that. His wife was a civil judge. We've had many cases with her. I've been in front of her before. She's now retired. She does a mediation on the side.

She like you? I don't think she ever really got to know me, you know, but. She didn't fear the spear? Huh? She didn't fear the spear? I don't think she feared the spear. I don't think she ever really got to know me i you know but um fear the spear huh she didn't fear the spear i don't think she feared the spear i don't think she really fears anybody she didn't she didn't call saw she did not call so but you know she uh you know listen she was she wasn't a uh there's some judges in philly never say their name i won't even say that they're still on the bench brinkley they're Brinkley. I don't know him or her. But anyway.

Meek Mill Lady. Oh, I don't know. I'm talking civil. Disaster. Anyway, go ahead. I think that's her name. No, she's an academic. She's not a career politician by any means. I don't think at least. But I use this as an example.

I don't think Krasner has the aptitude or he's not in this conspiracy. That's what I'm saying. They can't all be. I don't know about everybody. They can't all be. I don't know about other people, but it doesn't really matter because you see it goes back again to Cuomo. That guy ain't conspiring with anybody to do anything besides maybe his brother to get out of this fucking case. I mean, he's not – I'm not using him as my talking head for the revolution that I'm trying to build.

This is – he is not the one. But – and I don't think Krasner's the one. But they are out there. I don't know at what level of government they exist, if they do. But more importantly, the people that are throwing the money around,

they know what they're doing. They know who they're getting. They know the end game. Because even if Krauser's goal is to do X, Y, and Z, X, Y, and Z in this guy's head, he knows it's going to lead to one, two, and three. That's the thing. We can – we do have the power and I say this really carefully because I've already – I rail on it all the time and I will still rail on it to people who are like, I can predict the future, right? But we do have the power in the modern era that we've never had before, which is that there are certain things we can simulate.

And this is one thing that was a meta theme when Horo was in here for number 17 that he just fucking nailed. And it's like you look at these platforms, these tech platforms and the tools that they have, which then powerful people and governments can access through various means whatever they can figure out how people are going to react to things they may not be able to say this is exactly how it's going to go but they can say if we put enough of x in front of variable y it's going to become variable z or in that neighborhood and so when these people the georges of the world the soroses of the world throw money at these people maybe they don't have a relationship with them and maybe by the way you could solve the issue maybe i know money talks in this shit but maybe guys like krasner shouldn't fucking take his money to avoid the like if you want to avoid the conversation don't take his money but maybe that also means you never get there because he'll fuck you into submission so it's like a lose you

know what i mean it's a loser if you want to have the job you're like well if i say no he'll kill my family or i'm not saying you can do that exactly so like you know maybe that's a part of it but also do they really like do they really think like all of them? They don't. So it's that simulation where it's like, well, these list of people believe in belief one, belief two, and belief three on a broad level. If we multiplied that by 30 cities to do blank, then they might actually then think this and change the law, therefore, to this and cause society to do that. Right. But it kind of almost makes me wonder, maybe these trends we see, legislative trends, city to city,

and I'm not talking about Newark to Trenton. I'm talking about across the country where you have these, I look at them, I'm thinking to myself, where do these guys come from? Like, what are, how do these,

these beliefs just pop up in these areas? And they're so similar, you know, whether you've got a mayor in Philly or, or, or someone down in Houston or Austin, and all of a sudden they're popping up at the same talking points. It makes me wonder if there is some funding going into X, Y, and Z.

It's the globalists. Yeah. Well, I mean, it's something. They're paying everyone off. It's something, I mean, because I genuinely do not believe that these, even some of the higher level, but these lower level problems. They turned all the frogs gay, smear. Pay attention.

But that's actually based upon so it's i think you always i think you say you're like always like well look what if you just took like a like one out of 10 things he said and we're like okay well let's assume that's true i mean technically he's talking about a real thing but the context is so fucked up yeah the, the problem is, like, I always say this, but when he gets something wrong, it's not like, oh, sorry, guys. I said 75%. It was really 45%. It's like, no, it turns out Barack Obama doesn't fuck children and kill them in his basement. No, no, he's not a reptile.

Yeah, right, right. I'm sorry. I got that one wrong. Right, right. So he has no credibility. What's sad is that one out of 10 things he says and throws at the dartboard, it's like, holy fuck. Like two years, five years, ten years later, you're like, oh, my God, he nailed it. It's a waste of talent to me, but whatever.

But, no, listen, there's money behind all this stuff. Politics is like a priceless industry. uh industry i mean it's it's so incredibly powerful that it's i mean the money that we see is is mind-blowing but the money that we don't see is probably um really what what what what turns the wheel and it's just crazy it's just insane but i mean to your point i i think that the the vast majority of these people even dare i say I say, dancing AOC from her Boston College days or wherever. She didn't go to Boston College. She went to, I think, Boston University. Didn't she go to?

She's from Boston. She didn't go to Harvard? The same colors, but totally different. All right, keep going. Listen, I'm not going to let you sit here and knock aoc's education when we have uh what's her name i'm not knocking i thought i actually thought she did no she's well i don't think she's a lawyer so the only and i don't think she went to graduate school unless i think her last education was boston u but i i could be wrong i could be wrong she was a terrier i think but

a what a terrier that's what they are, Boston University Terriers. Oh, my God. But, no, they'll knock her education. We got, what's her name down in Georgia? She went to freaking Spelman. You know what Spelman's graduation rate is? Who? Spelman College's graduation.

Who are you talking about? You know, the one that won, the governor that really won the election. Stacey Abrams? Yeah, Stacey Abrams. She actually did go to Harvard. After Spelman, yes, she went to Harvard did go to Harvard. After Spellman, yes. She went to Harvard. Oh, my God.

Yes. So did Barack Obama. I don't know. Barack Obama was there the whole time. I don't like where this is going. But anyway, he was not there the whole time. He went to Occidental Law School. No, he didn't.

He was the fucking chief of the Harvard Law Review. He did go to Harvard Law School, but he started off at Occidental, which is a school in california i don't even know that yeah but he was the chief i mean his father was also his great he was all his his uncle was also frank marshall davis but this is for the afternight podcast who's frank marshall we can't get in this right now no no no no no mike spear no we're getting into that right now those of you who know you know you know. Who's Frank Marshall Davis? Yeah, he's a... You don't Google him right now. You can Google him. Who was that to him?

He was his uncle, I guess you can call him. I know that you're like the closeted, biggest Obama fan of all time. No. You love him. I don't love him. You do love him. No. He's your favorite person ever.

I don't love him. Frank Marshall Davis was an American journalist, poet, political, and labor movement activist and businessman. Direct ties to the Kremlin as well, but I guess that didn't make Wikipedia. He also played a role in the South Side Writers Group in Chicago and is considered among the writers of the Black Chicago Renaissance. He moved to Honolulu, Hawaii, where he ran a small... Fuck off. He ran a small business. He became involved in local labor issues. The Federal Bureau of Investigation

tracked his activities as they investigated... Dude, they also had Martin Luther King. Don't put Frank Marshall Davis and Martin Luther King. I'm not doing that. You don't even know who this guy is. I'm saying they did also consider him the number one domestic terror threat at one point. And they're J. Edgar Hoover's FBI.

So you have to take all this stuff with a grain of salt. But okay. All right. We'll look at this later. That's the late night podcast. Well, what's interesting is that we've read all this already and there's still no connection to Barack Obama, which is the most famous part about Frank Marshall Davis. But anyway. Okay.

I don't even know what my point was at this point oh fuck do i gotta run the tape i'm sorry no you were you were talking fuck oh right no my point was this these politicians even at the lowest level they are not cerebral enough to be a part of some kind of global conspiracy to make uh you know these anarchic movements turn into just basically nationwide chaos and panic. It's just impossible. Not to mention the people that we always talk about as those who are going to actually create this chaos,

they don't even own guns. So, I mean, what's their game plan? I don't think they think about that, number one. Number two, does it even matter if the money's flowing from people who do control that? I mean, I think it matters in the sense that your constituents, I think, have to – I mean, I almost feel like – you know what? I shouldn't say that because these people are so entwined with – intertwined, I should say, with the government that the fact that they don't personally own guns doesn't mean shit, unfortunately. But at the end of the day, I guess my point is that I think that the reality of what we have is we have about a list, you can almost call it, and I'm sure it's not an actual list,

but a list of types of ideology, opinions, ideas that fit a mold. And you basically have people who want to create molds in different cities across the country. And I think the most obvious is what's going on in like Texas, where you now have areas of Texas that are essentially, you know, as liberal as parts of Virginia outside of DC. And it's like kind of shocking, I guess, for some people that lived in Texas their whole lives. But for those that understand what we understand, I guess, it's kind of not surprising at all that they're doing this. I wonder how much of it gets carried over, though,

where people start to just leave the political process or even some shift their beliefs because a lot of the people who came there were escaping something you know and they think about this differently i mean it does once you go somewhere and it's like a place where supposedly your opposite exists but you fleed there from you know like californistan or some shit like that right and now you realize that your neighbors you live next to, yeah, you don't agree with a lot of shit, but, like, they're nice people, and you enjoy their company,

and all right, cool. There are a lot of those individuals who I think are going to start to be like, you know what? Fuck all this. I'm going to live in my house here. I have some freedom. I'm not going to vote for any of these motherfuckers. And that's a net

win for people like in texas like red state who don't want to see you know california blue coming in or whatever i do think that look i'm one of the people who left that political process i'm not one of the people who went to texas or whatever but like i'm one of those people who's like i've been left i've been right this is all bullshit fuck this and that's where i'm at i think that's on steroids when you're someone who literally picks up your life and goes somewhere entirely different and sees like a new way of life and may not love everything they think. But they're like, I understand the benefits of why I'm here and therefore I'm not going to fuck with that. There are those people. there for one very narrow reason, which is to avoid taxes, yet they bring the social ideology with them, which you see, like I said, in places like Austin.

Listen, at the end of the day, not everyone's Joe Rogan. And I think what he did was probably, I think he did a lot for moderates in general. I think that he, and quite frankly, I think that people despise him. I think that the talking heads that we see on TV, probably both sides of the spectrum, I think more so one side, but just generally both sides of the spectrum, they can't stand guys like him because he normalizes conversations about a topic without having to say well this is the way i vote and this is why you need to vote that right he just kind of talks about the show right and you learn a lot from that and and as dumb as it may sound and as and you have the you have the women or the men or whoever it is on cnn or these

people on fox whatever it is oh, what's this guy? What are these guys' credentials? He's like, well, you know, he's a fucking human being. Credential. Go fuck yourself. He's created a hell of a life for himself, a hell of a business that he shares with pretty much anyone that he meets if they're willing to participate. You know, he doesn't seem to be a selfish guy he doesn't seem to be motivated by um someone else i guess is the best way to put it he did something so simple

that set such a great example that still not enough people follow but it's incredible what he's pulled off and and i say this in the sense that during covid and particularly given some of the psychotic nature of the political landscape there has been some shifts in how he perceived some things and in how some people perceive him and i disqualify that because i think with covid all bets are off and we've all lost our minds. And I appreciate the fact that even if I don't necessarily agree with everything he says on certain issues with that, I like that he's having the conversation. I love that he had in Sanjay Gupta. And I respected the fuck out of Sanjay Gupta for being there too, by the way.

A lot of people ripped him because he got some things like a little hardliner wrong in that sit down but that is the beauty of what joe rogan has created because sanjay gupta mr cnn doctor walked in there and talked with him for three hours right yeah he got stuff wrong but there's also elements of truth to what he said and there's two people who have opposite beliefs on a certain key issue could talk and that's what joe created and i i remember i didn't know who he was until my holly tevis you know her she was like it's her birthday it was it's on facebook yes you're fucking on the ball man yeah i like facebook big i hate the guy i hate i hate i hate soccer big though he's a fucking weirdo yeah he's the worst i'm

sorry he's the worst but yeah she there was like a i think it was like after the elon musk thing like in in september 2018 where we were working on a thing together and she was showing me like oh yeah i talked with this guy joe whatever and then there was this other thing that went on check that out for the story we're working on at the time and then i'm like what is the deal with this i'm looking at this guy and i'm like i go and i look i'm he's doing three hour podcasts at the time i'm like yeah i guess i would listen to that in my ears but i'm like i can't believe a lot of people listen to this i wasn't thinking of things that way because i was i was not separating audio from visual that was my big mistake right and so i'm

like all right i'm gonna google some episodes that people liked and i think i i remember the three that they were that i picked out it was i googled like top 25 or something over the last two years and the first three i listened to in this order were david goggins kyle kolinsky and jordan peterson and i was maybe 30 minutes into goggins and i'm like oh i get it i fucking get it i understand what he's doing here and it was because all these you know we have these lights in the studio right here but guess who turned them on i did you know what i mean like there's lights in joe rogan studio guess who turned him on him and jamie after they shared a blunt you know what i mean it took away all this other bullshit the people in in the headphones with the microphone talking

into your fucking unseen earpiece telling you what to say and saying by the way we got 30 seconds to commercial break coming up right here so just make sure make sure you wrap it up with them make sure you hit them on this point. There was none of that. And it was just like, yo, bro, I just took a mushroom. Yo, what do you think about the world right now? And people were like, holy shit. Oh, my God, a real human being talking who I can kind of relate to.

Even people that don't like mushrooms or don't like weed, they're like, this is a normal person. So the, I saw, again, I'm sure the depth of my, you know, I guess ability to reference different aspects of culture. Unfortunately, not on Instagram, but. You're on Instagram as a ghost. Yeah. Michael.g.spear. Yes. Never made a post in your life.

No. So I did see one thing. I think this wasn't on TikTok, but I don't know where I saw it, but it was an interview between, you know, that guy. What the hell? No, I don't know. He's a late night show. He's not Kimmel, but it's not Kimmel.

It's Jimmy. Oh, the fat guy? No, no, no, no. No, no, no. Not Corbin but it's not Kimmel. It's... Jimmy... Oh, the fat guy? No, no, no, no. No, no, no. Not Corbin. Oh, not Colbert. No, he's a talk show guy. He's...

Fallon? Colbert? Yeah, Fallon. Fallon. Jimmy Fallon. Jimmy Fallon. Jimmy Fallon! Yeah, you know.

Jimmy Fallon! Come on, Mike! He goes, so Jimmy Fallon has RuPaul on. And I was... It must have been really late when I was watching this shit, and I was bored. But anyway, so he has RuPaul on, so he goes to RuPaul. He makes a comment. He goes, and you're like this big-time drag queen, right? And RuPaul goes, what did you just call me dude you would have thought that fallon just witnessed his wife and children murdered in front of him because somebody in his ear and if it wasn't

directly in his ear in his head just said you are fucking canceled and rupaul goes i'm a drag icon baby and i'm thinking to myself like okay i guess that's funny but the funny part was thinking like fallon was like what the fuck i thought i was done right there because you can't how can you be a successful how can you talk about anything successfully if you have to talk with a fucking anvil over your head it's impossible that guy and and like and i'm not even defending him here but like that's the point people were were assuming that they were getting conversation quote-unquote on late night comedy talk shows that the entire point is the opposite

well people believe that. People watch that. That's what I'm saying. They go there. They pay money. Yes. We don't have anyone sitting here with us. Right.

Not that we need them, but I'm just saying. And not that that can't happen, though. Like when Kanye was on with Noriega, formerly Noriega, a few weeks ago. And that's not my style, but they do the whole audience thing. But that was a hard-hitting regular convert. You know what I mean? Like they talked about heavy shit. The real Noriega.

He owe me a hundred favors. He did a phenomenal job. Yeah, I actually saw that, yeah. And, like, I see, I'm like, wow, that kind of model can even work. But, like, Jimmy Fallon is a network cable TV fucking down the line, let's just make people laugh and have fun while they're falling asleep or hitting their blunt. That's it.

I haven't watched it ever, dude. I can't watch it. I don't try to, but I also try to understand like for example, we were talking about the Alec Baldwin thing. I'm sure the ratings on that were half decent. You look at these other shows, even like Jay leno it's like what the fuck is that what is what is that dude like what is

that i don't even understand what it's an act yeah it's like they all they all they all basically like took carson and just like fucking tried to make it like some weird you know version of that but like we're now in such a different it's so different now it's just so different you can you you can you listen to more genuine stuff that's what i'm saying my whole thing was i was a skeptic about podcasts because i said to myself what the fuck am i benefiting from listening to these people talk about shit um that you know i'm not necessarily i'm not engaged in, and it's not going to run on the news necessarily.

Maybe – I mean, we talk about issues, but I'm thinking to myself initially, I'm like, who the fuck gives a shit? But then I start listening to it, and I'm like, wow, a lot of this shit I think about all the time, and it's actually refreshing to hear somebody also think that way or not even necessarily think that way, at least talk about the stuff. So, I mean, I think that this is probably the way media information, dialogue, all that stuff will probably be shared. I think it's going to be prevalent. prevalent but boy man you guys have a hard hard fucking uh uh task ahead of you because these

these these media conglomerates man they are just nasty nasty creatures it's just fitting like the way we tied all this together like tying back this current modern day conundrum of a trial with the whole maxwell thing and epstein a dead, quote-unquote, Epstein being on trial. You know, I had said something a while ago about how he touched everything, right? Like he had a picture with everyone. Do you know this motherfucker was on the record talking about even Bitcoin? Who, Epstein? Oh, yeah.

That doesn't surprise me. Oh, yeah, dude. That doesn't surprise me. People, if you want to go look up the article, it was, if you Google Epstein Bitcoin, it was on the nextweb.com, which, by the way, Spear, I'm sorry. Before you say something, look at the bottom of this article. This was written in 2017, okay? And this writer, it appears, went to his house and interviewed him. The bottom of the article says update

july 19 2019 this article has amending the glaring over has amended the glaring oversight that jeffrey epstein was convicted in 2008 for soliciting prostitution from an underage woman epstein has recently been rearrested on federal charges for sex trafficking. TNW regrets not catching the submission at the moment of publishing. Everyone! This outside... I've never fucking even heard of the... I've probably heard of them, but still. This isn't NBC.

This isn't ABC. Everyone overlooked this thing. This guy was sitting in his house... In Epstein's house next to bill clinton's dress portrait next how on earth how on earth is elon's must spacex facing bankruptcy the answer is simple it's not all it's it's not on earth it's not on earth it's not on earth it's facing bankruptcy on mars that's right um no but in all in all seriousness he touched everything man there's and i'm not going to read the article but like go check the next web epstein bitcoin just google

that it'll come up it's like he talked about like i'm really interested in this in this next bitcoin anything that had any level of attention that was on any spectrum of politics or social movement he touched just to fucking tarnish but what exactly that's exactly right so we're on the same page because that's what i was going to say it's that's really what it is is this guy who has really only claimed the fame was was having a bit of money turning into a little bit more money and then liking underage girls now uh he's the authority on everything but if you're going to talk about Bitcoin, well, no. No, we're not going there because we've got to go back to this trial.

Yeah, because, yeah. We're what, like three days in now? Before we go back to trial, though. Yeah, okay. All I was trying to say earlier was if you want to use Bitcoin, you want to put a Bitcoin thing up on television, it should be my favorite angry man in the suit saying, I forget his name. You know who I'm talking about.

But he goes, did you ever think who's behind it all? I wouldn't want to know. Don't Dampania me. Dampania, Dampania. He goes, you don't want to know who it is. I know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm going to one time, episode 39, which lives in a beautiful level of fame in the sense that it was before this

podcast like had an audience but it was the rowdiest we like blacked out episode 39 cuts off right at about the three hour mark because the last hour we mostly we were drunk as fuck and we were talking about like a lot of like inside jokes and shit so it didn't make sense to just leave it but there was one part in there that one day i'll just put out for shits and gigs where you and me were fighting over dan pena and you're like i kind of like him and i'm like fuck you and dan pena got on stage and he's like everybody thinks that Satoshi isn't known, but I know. It's like this, if you don't know him, he's this angry 80-year-old man who wears like $12,000 suits. I like him for one reason.

It's just because I like the way he approaches people who, it's almost kind of ironic because he makes fun of people for following people, but yet everyone he's talking to literally is following around the country speaking to them so i don't it's but the way he talks about it i imagine myself in a setting where it's potent yeah i know vladimir putin without a doubt he created bitcoin like that's like all right dude okay maybe he did but like you don't know he shut the fuck up he did. But like, you don't know. He did. Shut the fuck up.

He didn't. He did. I don't think he did. But I'm saying... And if you didn't, you'll put your sickle hat on and it's... You'll be fine. He'll be good. But dude, the first day of this trial...

You remember that when James Patterson made that documentary for Netflix on Epstein? The same James Patterson who was writing the yeah the famous writer the same guy who's writing i've actually written writing a book with bill clinton who was on fucking is he oh yeah oh yeah yeah the same guy i'm gonna have to i'll be like ace ventura in the shower tonight thinking about that oh yeah baby but like the same guy who's doing all that you know puts out that whole thing. And if you remember, there were several quote-unquote star witnesses in there, including Virginia Joffrey, who I found to be very credible. The one thing that was really interesting in there that I genuinely believe she thought – I don't think she was lying at all.

But she was accusing Dershowitz, Alan Dershowitz. I remember this. And here's the thing. I still have a lot of questions about that. I do, because he was around him a lot. He was. But I give Dershowitz a ton of credit, and maybe in the afterlife, when I figure out what the truth was, you know, I'll want to retract the statement. Maybe. But he's the guy who looked into the camera, did this documentary, looked into the camera, said, look in my eyes.

I did not do that. Which could be he's a psychotic liar. Maybe. Maybe he's that good. I don't know. I don't know. But, like, that's the thing. I believed her. Right.

Who really believed that. Right. And I actually, like, believed him, too, who was saying that. You know what I, so it was a weird thing. But to me, she was a very, very credible person who just gave all kinds of fucking details on people about, because she was a young girl who was taken advantage of in this thing. She was, Prince Andrew was one of the people who, like, fucked around with her. Right.

And what's funny is, day one of this trial it gets announced which by the way if people are not following or at least checking out trial tracker on ig i've been looking at this every day that's just one thing there's a lot of twitter threads about it too so just use your brain use the internet you can find shit even on google go get your shit it's called on instagram it's called at trial tracker day one it's announced that virginia roberts joffrey i'm probably pronouncing her name wrong i haven't watched the documentary in like a year but will not be called at trial she is the one who accused prince andrew of sexual assault she also says epstein and maxwell

flew her around the world when she was 17 and 18 for sexual encounters with billionaires, politicians, royals, and heads of state. I understand this is a federal trial, which somehow still has the archaic system of we're not allowed to have cameras in there, which is fucking crazy. It's how they got Ross Ulrich. Jim even mentioned that correctly on this podcast. He's like they don't let cameras in federal courtrooms. So I understand that that was a given but we are literally watching the world's shittiest sketch artist draw a bunch of people in mass who look nothing like they actually look and the year of our lord 2021. do you know that i'm sorry no no i'm i'm literally like that's it like we are

seeing this and yet like this is happening right in front of us where someone who was front and center for a fucking Netflix documentary is not being called in there. And you already pointed out that it doesn't look the greatest that, like, James Comey's daughter is at the front of this thing, which, in fairness to her, she was at the front of the Epstein trial before he quote-unquote killed himself. Right. trial before he quote-unquote killed himself right this just and and like the judge was three days before trial recommended by biden to to be appointed to the appeals court like it just looks bad dude well i'll two points and the first one is the illustrations the actual um the court appointed um uh illustrator uh is actually drawing the sketches. The sketch artist is drawing them as they're seeing it. Actually, the federal government, they actually hired Fauci.

He's actually coming in and drawing the masks on everybody after the fact. So they're actually not in masks in the courtroom, but he is coming in. But no, listen, the one thing I will say about the trial, and you're right about this, but the problem with these cases, and this case in particular, is you have memories that have faded. You are going to get a lot of I don't knows

when you need I know. That's interesting. You're talking about years, years and years. That's interesting. So you're going to have witnesses that will not hold up well to cross-examination, and it's going to be a lot of low-hanging fruit for the defense. But at the same time, again, when you have that difficult standard, when you have beyond a reasonable doubt, you have some problems. So I encourage people, if anything, to listen and follow the trial, not necessarily for the verdict.

You can't listen. You can only read. But to listen to the allegations, listen to how serious – these things happened. Whether or not they can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Maxwell had some sort of direct involvement or was a part of a larger conspiracy to traffic these people or whatever you want to call it, groom them, you may not get the verdict that we are looking for those who actually have a sliver of morality in them. But at the very least, watch this so that you can actually understand what these allegations are the fact that they the all these things are true whether or not they can prove that this particular defendant in the case actually committed these these these atrocities i don't know and and

and that's again it's going to be up, not for us to decide. Yeah, look, I think the outcome of this case is going to be a guilty. I mean, if it's not, I think, I mean, if that happens, I don't know how I'm going to react. And I think that's going to be one of the ultimate social crisis days in the history of this country. And I know I'm saying that over like one trial but like this is this is some fucking biblical shit right here this is not this ties everyone into it completely so i don't want to go there yet i want to let it continue to play out but the sketchiness that you see around this i'm just running through like as we're sitting in here some of these slides on just this one page. And it's very simple.

There's not like a ton in there. But you see a story that is familiar at this point. And yet you realize that there's still people who lawfully, correctly, there's everyone has a right to a fair defense, are defending this in court and there's still the question of how is this going to go how is a jury going to see are they going to change their mind or are they going to find her innocent for some reason even if they don't and the net

result is that we just don't get any more information as a general public and gizlene jelaine maxwell which by the way credit jim diorio he was right about this when she got arrested i said to him i'm like oh she'll be dead within a month and he said no i know the fbi agent and in charge of of handling her whatever at least right now and talk to him she's gonna be all right and so far she is but either way they've disappeared her until now right and if they put her in jail they'll disappear again she won't do any media capabilities maybe she will end up you know not alive at some point but we will lose out on

understanding who talks to who and why and more importantly why this never got covered why this why did she why did epstein commit suicide under a john barr is that is his first name john the ag was it john ag barr attorney general bar yeah why why did epstein commit suicide under an ag bar justice department when ag bar's father was the first man to give an adult epstein a job why have we never heard about or heard from bill clinton talking about all the flights he took with jeff why has trump shut up about this out of nowhere because he's never been quiet about it trying to raise his voice about how bad this guy is and he even did like after he got killed he as president he still drew some attention to it why has he shut up about that why have none of these actors who have been implicated talked about it why have no other governments spoken out who have been

who have been implicated by conspiracy theories quote-unquote in this whole matter spoken out to to address that and say at least even if they're lying that is untrue why have people completely avoided this and why are we also scheduling this thing around when things like kyle riddenhouse are happening and the arbery trial, which luckily finished very quickly. So it's now out of the way. And other things that people could pay attention to. Why are there stories going around that are still pushing now in Omicron or whatever the fuck it's called variant right at the time that this trial comes out and the other trials conclude? Why does all this happen? Why can't we get answers? Why can't people hear from the judge after the case which sounds like it's not going to be a thing and maybe that is a a justice system thing

that i could agree with as far as like not you know disclosing thing all right fine but why why is it also secretive why are we only getting these little transcripts and one word answers you know part of it's the system but part but part of it is it's a cover-up. Yeah, I mean, I think big picture, there's a lot that we need to look at. And I think taking a timeline approach to a lot of this, number one, it shows that certain things are important at certain times to the general public. And when I say the general public, I mean what's shoved down their throats. And I think that at some point we all should take a step back and look at chronologically how these things happen, why they happen, why they happen in different parts of the country at the same time. There's a lot.

I think there's a lot that needs to be said, um, in terms of timing. Cause you know, I don't believe in coincidences. I just don't. I think that, uh, as sophisticated as we are, um, as a human race, this, this shit is, uh, is suspect to say the least. Say the least, man. I just, you know, when I think about that, I'm always thinking about that fourth turning shit and where we're at right now and all this happening in a cyclone. You get the financial crisis in 08-09. That leads to the explosion of the wealth gap that had been building since the mid to late 80s and then you get the political children of that era who were left behind you get the

occupy wall street and you get the tea party who convinced themselves that they hated each other but they wanted the same things and were pissed off about the same things they just had different ideas and came from different parts of the country so therefore had different beliefs on how it could get solved and then you see rise out of those ashes the two people who should have been the final candidates senator sanders and and donald trump and they spoke to those two movements and they spoke from different angles but they spoke to the same anger and disappointment of the people. And then you see Trump get into office who was this total outsider, rogue candidate in a way, who then broke people one way or another politically. I think that's one of Joe Rogan's theories that's brilliant.

He has a way of simplifying certain things and putting it in one sentence, usually short words, that is just fucking amazing. But he's like trump broke people once and for all and he did he broke people in one direction or the other and now you have it all culminating 2019 this weird sex slave guy commits suicide quote-unquote and we move towards this world where now we go into corona to create a giant distraction. The money continues to flow. The power continues to flow and we're left with a trial of his assistant who was a horrible person but questions are left unanswered and there's enough distractions that people can't see really what's going on and how much does the result of this thing, whatever it is, and the lack of information we get or how the trial turns out or doesn't turn out how much does that end up determining how people react and society breaks or doesn't break that is a legitimate question and it's crazy to think that comes from a trial but it's all the things that built up to this and the symbolism that's around it

that people should be thinking about so i mean again i i think the bigger issue with a lot of this is you know what timing um and what you know what i guess media whatever it is wants us to see and when they want us to see it and how they want us to see it and i think without us talking about this stuff and and kind of connecting the dots together all at once because you don't see this on the news you don't see them talk about you know chronologically this happened and this happened and that happened and then whoa wait a second right so i i think that you know this platform that that you have and that everybody could have at some level, whether it's successful or not successful,

and I don't know how to gauge the success of these things anyway in terms of, you know, monetary, personal, whatever. You know, as long as people talk about this stuff, I think that there's a chance to get to the bottom of it. But right now there is a glaring lack of information for X and just a flood of misinformation about Y, and here we are. And Michael Spear. Spear Wars. Spear Wars.

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