Julian Dorey Podcast - #82 - Amanda Leve: MMA, Jiu Jitsu & Taking Down A Girl Double Her Size; Society Is Soft; The Spread of Propaganda; JFK, WWII & Time Travel

Episode Date: January 14, 2022

Amanda Leve is a world-class martial artist. She is currently the 6th-Ranked No-Gi Grappling / Brazilian Jiu Jitsu Fighter globally (Women’s 145 LB+ Division). Furthermore, Leve is also a PFL professional MMA Fighter. ***TIMESTAMPS*** 0:00 - Intro; The Sheik’s are big Jiu Jitsu guys; Amanda’s dad was crazy for Jiu Jitsu; The discipline MMA & Jiu Jitsu instills; Texas of course says everything goes in MMA; Participation trophy culture; Talking S–t & The Confidence Gene in fighters 25:50 - Amanda talks about her famous recent takedown of 270 pounder, Gabi Garcia; recapping the Pre-fight press conference with Gabi; Drug testing; How good is USADA these days?; How fast did Gabi realize she was bread in a toaster?; Talking weight differences and the Logan Paul Floyd Mayweather example in boxing; Biggest MMA bases around the world; UFC, Bellator, & PFL Promotions 49:00 - Society has gone soft; Why Amanda thinks kids should be allowed to fight; Safety Culture and its damage on kids; The Pandemic’s effect on kids and schools; Amanda talks about Malcolm Gladwell’s theory on the Chinese numerical system (Outliers); Environments mold people 1:06:52 - Amanda & Julian talk about their alcohol of choice; Rising Sommeliers and their desire to change the “class culture” around wine (“Dining With Skyler” & Skyler Bouchard Oppenheim’s fight against wine snobbery) 1:14:42 - Amanda often thinks about the normal world pre-Pandemic; Why Amanda hates social media’s hold on society; Amanda loves all conspiracies; Oliver Stone’s new JFK Documentary; Julian tells a story about JFK’s assassination that he heard from a guy who knew a guy who knew a guy so it’s probably not reliable; China and the CCP’s regime; The state of America’s school system; Mixing the positives of opposite ideologies to fix poverty; The applicability of school curriculums 1:42:42 - Amanda and Julian talk history; WWII & The Holocaust; The Terrifying Quick rise of Hitler in Germany and why it happened; Amanda talks about visiting the Holocaust Museum; How vulnerable is society to falling for an authoritarian regime with psycho beliefs?; Amanda has never watched Inglourious Basterds and that is incredibly disappointing to hear; Hitler conspiracies and the ratlines; Why people can’t exist without war 1:59:58 - The stress level of being a spy; Julian does a Departed impression; Amanda tells a story about the British tricking the Germans in WWII; BS meters and conspiracies; Amanda and Julian discuss propaganda; Julian gives a wild theory on the repetition of a specific word in the media over the past couple months; Politicians today vs. a decade ago; The desperation that has formed across society over the past 15-20 years 2:17:58 - Back to JFK for a minute (CIA & The Mafia); The Vatican Documents; The UFO Docs; Julian’s friend Alessi’s work producing James Fox’s upcoming UFO documentary; Amanda discusses the Egyptians, the pyramids, and the aliens who built them; Julian wants to go back in time to have a chat with the Jesus guy and see what’s what; Dinosaurs and Hippos; True Crime and Serial Killer obsession in modern culture 2:35:22 - Amanda talks about why fighting is like a drug; When the fear leaves Amanda’s system; Amanda talks about why preparation is the most important thing for a fig... Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Apple. That's a huge help as well. If you guys could do that, that'd be amazing. Now, I am joined in the bunker today by Miss Amanda Levy, who is probably a lot tougher than you or me, because Amanda is the number six ranked female jujitsu fighter in the world. And in addition, is also now a pro MMA fighter fighting under the PFL promotion. So there is UFC, Bellator, and PFL. Those are the three big ones. And I got connected to Amanda through our friend Giovanni, who told me I had to talk with her because Aisha was very cool and knew a lot of stuff about a lot of stuff, which I love. But also because Amanda, who stands at 5'6", a buck 55,

just took down, I mean, this girl was a house. Can you say that? Is that like a compliment? That's a compliment in fighting, right? I mean, she's big, right? She took down a 6'2", 270-pounder back in September in a jiu-jitsu match, which I was like, come on. And then I watched the video, and I was like, holy shit, she did. So obviously I was like, all right, this is very interesting. Let's bring her

in and talk about this. And here we are. So we probably spent about 45 minutes on MMA and Amanda talking about her journey there and that fight and particularly on this podcast. And then we also talked about a bunch of MMA stuff in the last half hour. And then the whole middle was filled with a whole bunch of random conversations because Amanda's interested in a lot of different things. And as I said, I love that. So hope you guys enjoy. That said, you know what it is. I'm Julian Dory, and this is Trendafire. It's not cool. Where's the news? You're giving opinions and calling them facts. You feel me? Everyone understands this, but few seem to do it.

If you don't like the status quo, start asking questions. It's like a controversy with that. Like, it's like, because there's not as many spots in the divisions for women so the men's brackets have 16 the women only have eight got it so i think it's just because there's two reasons why i think this one is because possibly it's ran by the sheiks over in abu dhabi who who pay for it and she's in Abu Dhabi yes big fans of jiu-jitsu over there really so yep so they help fund it so um because of that I don't think they have that many weight classes for women because the women are kind of like second class citizens over there but I'm not 100 sure I don't want to be like making that claim um but that's one of my probably reasonable

yes that's one of my reasons I think and then two, that's one of my reasons, I think. And then two, I just think it's because back, if you go back like five years, there wasn't as many women doing jiu-jitsu as there are now. Yeah, so what is like the population of women participating? Right now, it's exploding. When I was a kid, I had to fight all boys all the time. I maybe fought like, yeah, a couple girls i would come in passing with but for the most part my kids in teenage years were just fighting boys which i'm not gonna complain about because it made me a lot better than i probably would have been um dealing with like strength and that whole thing but yeah now you go to tournaments you see all these little girls

running around and i'm like holy crap this is crazy well that's part of the movement you started yeah right it's very cool yeah it's that whole thing is i don't know how to feel about that because obviously there's a lot of guys you're gonna beat the shit out of we know this but still like if you're fighting against people who do the same thing you do and they're bigger males and whatever there's just some biological things there that naturally like i don't know that's always gray area for me but i mean selfishly it obviously made you a lot better yeah so um i could see why people would be like i don't want to fight a girl i can understand the other the opposite view of this right yeah um but for me it just made me better and i don't get me wrong i got my ass kicked so many times and

i kicked ass so many times so i mean i've done easily over like probably 400 matches like easy as a kid my dad my dad would sign me up for like nine divisions so he would put me in like my weight my age yeah my dad was like one of those um one of those psycho parents that you like see competitive parents yeah yeah Know some of them. So if I lost a match to the toughest, biggest kid ever, if I lost and the other kid was getting his hand raised, my dad would be behind the ref's table, arms crossed, mean mugging, like... Goddamn.

Shaking his head. I'm like... And how often were you doing this? How many matches would you do a year? You said you did 400? Yeah, easily. I probably competed over that many times. I would do like, most people would compete like four matches.

I would do like 15. And I would get up from like one mat to the next mat, to the next mat. They'd be calling me. So like the way the tournaments are set up, they have like one long mat. And then they have rings along that mat and i i would be getting up from one match dead tired going right to the next match where they're calling my name for like two other ones it was crazy wow that's nuts i mean it's that whole when when you're talking about whether it be like wrestling or jujitsu or things like hockey like

stuff where people are just constantly it's a physical physical sport, and you're on the road, and you're going game in, game out, you know, as a kid, it teaches you so much, because not only do you have to be tough as nails, and not only do you have to be good, especially if you're competing at a high level, but your discipline, and all the life skills you get out of that, it's invaluable, and I know there's other sports you could say that about too, but I just thinking of the ones especially where it's notorious where you're road tripping and going to places they're a little bit more of smaller communities overall it's a very very cool thing yeah i recommend everyone setting up their kid for either wrestling or jiu-jitsu there's something about an independent sport i mean don't get me wrong your your gym is your

your team and all that that. But there's something about going out there where you're the only person that you rely on to win a match. You know, you're not relying on a team, you're not relying on your pitcher, you're not relying on people, you know, batting or making their shots or anything like that. It's literally you and only you. If you lose, it's your fault. your fault that's it yeah i think there's a ton of value in that especially today and and i don't want to take away from from team stuff i think that's critical no i think you need both absolutely because to me everyone wants to talk about the participation trophy society and all that and i worry about that it's so true you know

kids are just like they're the expectation is oh i get to win no matter what and stuff but i think that can actually happen more in team scenarios because you can kind of ride the group think wave and just be like oh you know here's my little role over here you can hide you know when it's just you in there especially you like against one other person or you know even playing golf or something like that where it's solo tennis you against one other person another one like you either show up or you're fucked like that's it that's it and um it's funny because they just had um a card in philly called fury grappling and they had ufc fighters fighting jujitsu people like just grappling not actual like mma or anything like that how much can can you just talk about real quick so people understand out there how much

of a difference is there between the two like how big is the gap huge difference and how so so and we'll come back to that grappling event so mma is punching kicking elbows knees ground to pound you name it um where jujitsu is just grappling you're just it's basically wrestling with submissions mma is 100 more intense um because the the factor of getting hurt like the injury factor is way more high than in jiu-jitsu jiu-jitsu you could be very slow methodical don't get me wrong you can get hurt but mma you can get really hurt there's everything's a weapon at all times exactly at all times every single limb yep so um i mean even like the cage will beat you up in in an mma fight because you fight because you're fighting in a cage. Like leaning against that cage is terrible. I mean, in your fight, you don't really feel it.

But if you practice on it, I will be bruised up after my first like hour of just leaning against the cage, like doing takedowns and stuff like that. Like that's a whole nother like art in itself is like wrestling someone off of a cage. You would never think that it could be so technical, but it's so technical. It's crazy that we got here too.

Yeah, right. You know, like you think about where society is. You look at football where the emphasis has been on concussions and all the dangers of the sport and all fair. You know, there's been all kinds of lawsuits and stuff like that and at the same time where that's starting to kind of be the attention you also have things like ufc and bellator get way more popular and i mean it's it's savagery when modern day gladiators 100 yep 100 and you're you're one of them too yeah it's pretty cool so it's it got you had to move towards actually getting good at hand to hand and like to leg combat and that's different than what you were doing growing up so like when did that

when did that start to become a thing for you like an interest um so i i forget what year it was but i was like young and there was a really big fight it was um this girl cyborg versus this girl gina carano and it was like a huge it was like the first big like big mma fight for women she's an actress too right yes gina carano yep and um so that was like it was just getting blown up and it was for this organization called strike force it's not around anymore but i remember watching that fight and I was like, oh, I want to do that. And I always did striking on and off throughout my like 11 or 14 years of doing jiu-jitsu. But I always stayed with jiu-jitsu

and then striking was just like on and off. I never fell in love with it as much as I did with jiu-jitsu, which might be better because you're getting punched in the head a lot. Yeah, yeah. It's a totally different place. Yes. Even I know that. Yeah.

I mean, I did a boxing match. I did a kickboxing match. And then I have my MMA fights now. But the transition was probably when I first saw that fight, I was like, oh, I want to do this. And then training for it when you turn 18 is when you can usually fight. It depends on the state, but around this area, like New Jersey, PA is 18. For MMA?

Yes. Interesting. So it's different than boxing because in boxing you fight as a kid. Yep. In Texas, I think you could fight at like eight at MMA. Goddamn in Texas. Yeah, it really depends on the state. Right. just so like west virginia you can fight amateur but it could be pro rules so what does that mean like uh you could throw elbows knees um

head kicks which is usually like not allowed in amateur on the amateur circuit right but it's allowed in west virginia so it depends on the state where you want to fight. And I just realized, I got you off that grappling event in Philly. I didn't want to forget that. I'm jumping around. Yeah, you're good. I wanted to go back to that. So we're watching it.

And the very first match they had was these two 7-year-olds. And they were great. They're so entertaining. Don't get me wrong. Great match. 7-year-olds. Yeah. So I think they put it on for fun. And the crowd was so into it, too. were great they're so entertaining don't get me wrong great match seven year olds yeah and so i

think they just they put it on for fun and like the crowd was so into it too and this is grappling only yep but still yeah and they were two little beasts and it was it was funny that we're because we were talking about the the um participation trophies which made me think of this and they give the kids they give both kids the belt and i was like is it wrong that i hate that they gave the other kid the belt because it takes away from the kid that actually won you know like it just it feels so wrong to like disrespect the kid who actually won the belt even though they're seven i know i know i know that's it but also i feel like that's when you should be learning that you're not always gonna win correct so completely agreed um and i'm like

i feel like this is like like an a-hole for thinking this way but i really think they should have only gave one kid the belt yeah and of all things where you're gonna do it two kids grappling each other and beating the shit out of each other is the one place where you might be like oh okay whatever but i agree with you i think that you look at it now and and you see kids who are even like late teenagers are coming into their 20s and even like the millennial generation which i'm on the back end of and how old are you i'm 24 okay so you're i just turned 25 wait so got to get that right. You're an official fighter. 25. Got to be honest about this.

But I guess you're like right on the back end or on the cut of Gen Z. But like even in that area, I guess that started to come in in like the late 90s, early 2000s. It got worse. But it affects how you look at the world and your ability to make a place in it because the things we relate to as kids are all the simple things it's not the real life stuff it's like sports it's like competing and whatever the fuck it was and then we grow up and we think back like oh well we always got the trophy anyway why is that not happening in the office why is that not happening why am i not getting the job i want to get and instead of looking at it at yourself and saying, well, okay, what can I do better? Where have I failed? What changes do I need to make? Where so competitive that my team lost the championship in softball in grade school.

He made me throw out the second place trophy in front of the whole team. And then everyone went and got pizza and me and my dad went home. You know what? Some people would call your dad the extreme. No, I appreciate it. I respect it. Yep. That might be a little over the top

but the the message i'd much rather see that message than the other side 100 i my dad got so much crap growing up from like other parents like he was definitely the parent that everyone talked about oh yeah yeah it sounds like oh 100 and i still to this day know that i would not be anything if it wasn't for that that kind of enforcement in my life. Do you feel like he was vicariously living through you a little bit? Probably. A little. Yeah.

Him and my uncle. So his twin brother. Oh, he had a twin. There were two of them. Yes, yes. Oh, boy. So it was so funny because if I went to tournaments, I was hoping my dad would work because my uncle, he would get mad. He would get mad if I did bad, but he wouldn't get as mad as my dad.

Your uncle's the good cop. Yeah, exactly. Oh, my God. But as I got older, it switched. Now my uncle's the bad cop and my dad's the good cop. I think my dad's backed off a little bit. I want to say since I started dating my boyfriend because my boyfriend was very like – has taken a very big role in my fight camps. since I started dating my boyfriend because my boyfriend was very like is has taking taking a

very big role in my like fight camps um and they kill meal prep all my my stuff for me and I will just take everything in the morning and hold on with the eat and when eat it and that's what I do what's his background so he wrestled um yeah he knows the shit yeah so um so since he took like a bigger role I think my dad took like a step back it's also been a long time yeah he's been in there down and dirty for a long time yeah so uh but yeah it was definitely worth it i think it paid off a lot and what's as far as like your fight camps go and stuff what's what's your schedule been this is what i'm so curious about because our mutual friend giovanni when when he was like

you need to talk to amanda i'm like oh what does amanda do she he's like she's a savage i'm like okay that tells me a lot but he started going through stuff and i'm like dude i'm i'm i'm not joe rogan i like mma and stuff but i'm like the average fan is like no no you really got to talk to her she's up to like three four different things i can't even keep up with it so for me like looking at this and seeing you keep up with the jujitsu world, but move into the MMA world at the same time. And now you tell me something I didn't know you did 400 matches growing up or whatever it was, you know, how do you, how do you even like train your body to be in the shape to do all these different things throughout the year on top of each other? And like, is there different weight classes that you

have to match within each sport? Like what's, what's the schedule even like there yeah so well i float around like 155 165 and how tall are you five six okay um so it honestly depends on the tournament so sometimes they'll match you up and say okay i, I want you to be 150. So I'll cut my weight down to 150. If they want me to be 155, I'll stay my weight. If they want me to be 160, it just really depends on the tournament and who they're putting me up against that makes the weight class. Whereas MMA, they have set weight classes. So the PFL, the promotion that I fight for, they only have a 155 women's weight class. That's it? so yeah um i don't

know why they only have one um so the pfl you fight for a million dollars at the end of the year so you fight and you accumulate points throughout the season and then whoever has the most points gets put into a bracket for like a playoffs and then you fight your way up to a million dollars are you making money along the way though yeah so every fight you make money yeah okay but there's a grand prize yes exactly so jiu-jitsu on the other hand is not much there's not much money in jiu-jitsu so that's like another reason why you'll see a lot of jiu-jitsu people go over in the mma or um they'll start their own schools or like anything like that because there's not much money to be made in jiu-jitsu. I mean you can make money. There's a guy named Gordon Ryan who...

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bring up mcgregor like let's just stay there for a second guys like that guys like back in the day muhammad ali you know they brought in all the people who really have no idea what they're watching including like someone like me right like i'm more of a boxing guy but i started watching ufc when this guy wouldn't shut the fuck up and i'm like wait all right this irish dude's fucking nuts right and then i started watching it and so they they're very necessary in my opinion to bring the like you need all those quote-unquote average saturday night fans to make any sport i don't care what it is 100 and they they did that so i guess this guy what's his name again the jujitsu guy oh gordon ryan gordon ryan so i guess he's kind of like that or trying to be like that with jujitsu.

Yeah, he 100% is. And he backs up all this talk. So it was so funny. He had a match, and he gave the commentator an envelope of how he was going to finish the guy on the mat. And this guy is like a top guy, top-level guy. Hands it to him, goes on the mat finishes him and then tells him to open up the envelope and he finished them exactly how he said he was going to in the and that is so hard like i'm like talking about this and people don't really

understand how hard that is to actually just get a an actual submission so that a submission is basically like a choke hyperextension of your limb and then they have to tap out if it hurts so but to actually like wait and set up something so specific in jiu-jitsu is so crazy you drew it up yeah that's nuts yep you kind of have that though i mean i'm being honest as far as i'm not saying you're sitting there handing that card to the ref before but like when i met you and then started going through your socials i'm like damn amanda knows how to talk some shit and back it up it's pretty cool i'm just learning just learning well i wouldn't have known that because i'm going through this and i'm always curious about that because any fighters i was around i was really only i was around a couple guys who were mma types but i didn't spend a ton of time around them I spent most of my time around boxers and it's it's a similar type of mentality in this

way in that that confidence and that cockiness that comes with it and that whole ability to talk shit yes for at the highest level it's a huge marketing tactic sure but it's very real I mean the, the audacity you have to have to go into a ring or an octagon or anything where it's you versus another person and you are doing something that hypothetically, probably not going to happen, that in my opinion you can't be a fighter without some of it at least there are people who are quieter i understand that but there's still that thing where like they step in there they're like oh i belong here i'm here to i'm here to destroy 100 um so i like tried to talk crap my last scrap ofatch against that really big girl. So you'll have to post a video for everyone to see. You'll have a picture of her.

Let's just talk about that. Let's talk about that one. So what's this girl's name? Gabby Garcia. And this was for Flow Grappling? Yeah, so it's called Who's Number One. Flow Grappling just airs most high-level tournaments. Got it.

So this was a tournament called Who's Number One. Yep. And so it was really like a top level. There was a ton of top level Jiu-Jitsu athletes there. And she's like ranked number one for like that weight class or was. And so she's been around the game forever. Forgive me though. I got to make sure. This is not the one

where it's just one weight class there's a couple for this so one weight class is mma yeah uh so mma weight class is 155 got it that's for pfl so like ufc will have for women um they have like a 115 a 125 135 145 um the organization i play for is just 155 so pfl there's ufc bellator pfl those are the three big ones okay and then this one this tournament there's a couple different weight classes yes uh so for the women in this one it was 115 and 145 and up yeah and again you're about a buck 55 yep five six yep and how big is this girl she's like uh six two uh 200 and like 65 pounds maybe more we so that was like the whole controversy with that fight was she didn't weigh in not that she had to weigh in but you were just kind of like expected to weigh in because again the weight class was 145 and up so like honestly none of us had a way in. There was eight women in the bracket.

None of us really had a way in, but we were all there besides her. Right. So, um, it's like an honor thing. Yes. Yes,

exactly. So I had a feeling I was going to go against her first because I was seated eighth. She was seated first and there's only eight women in that division. So I'm like, Oh great. I'm fighting her first, which is fine because I always wanted to go against her because she's been around for

so long and i've seen other girls that i've gone against go against her and they did like okay and i'm like man i would love to see how i would do against her how big are some of the girls going against her though same was around my weight oh really yeah yeah so um the other girl i think the other heaviest girl in that division was like 180 something yeah so um anyway so we they make it very official so they do like a whole like bracket reveal so they put you all at this one table and then they reveal the bracket in front of you and they supposed to make it like super dramatic and they ask her like oh what do you think about your first matchup and she's like oh i don't really know her she has like terrible english she's brazilian um so i don't really know her but whatever i forget what she said

and then i they come over to me and they're like what do you think about your first match and i just said you know i'm very excited to go against her i just don't know why she didn't have to weigh in and we all had to weigh in and she's like it's not in my contract like going off yeah yep exactly she's like it's not my contract you don't know my contract and i'm like i don't care about your contract really i just want to know why you didn't weigh in what are you afraid of yeah and um the other it's like a couple of the other girls even like jumped in um how many roids is this girl on a lot she's rolling behind you by the way i have the video rolling if you you've beaten her there we go i can't like yeah so i couldn't stop watching this when i saw it i'm like this should not

make sense well yeah it's and you know too it's like dangerous like it is that's what i was most nervous about was just the fact that i could get her and like i'd not be able to do mma because she's 100 pounds heavier than me um i mean at least this isn't striking if it were striking i'd say this is she does do mma against girls your size yep come on yep that's a felony she does and she fights girls that aren't even like legit they just shouldn't even be in there in the first place that's just straight up not be allowed. Look at this. She fights in Japan. Amazing job, by the way.

Amazing job. But it's just, like, crazy to watch. She fights in Japan. So there's no, like, commission over there. And they love that spectacle of, like, a big, like, someone so big. Yeah, so big versus someone so small. So anyway, I call her out. She was so, I know I got into her her out she was so i know i got into her head because she was so angry is there video of that yeah there is there is all right keep talking

i'm gonna try to pull that um and then there's even a documentary on youtube amanda levy shocks the world they made a little 10 minute documentary about me that's how i made i made it mom i made it if i can put that in the screen, I will. If I can't, it's because it's a YouTube video and it's someone else's rights. But continue. All right. So anyway, the press conference is over. And she called me the P word.

I don't know if I'm allowed to say that in here. You can say whatever you want. Okay, cool. She called me a pussy. And I'm like, the one girl was like you don't be a pussy step on the scale i'm like this is not you have no leverage exactly i she just didn't want to know i want everyone to know how much weight she had on us she never weighs in for anything so anyway she's never weighed in before ever not for uh not for jujitsu but she's had to

for mma yeah um yeah she so she missed weight a couple times i think for mma so you have records of how heavy this girl is well yeah so i think she cut down to those to the weight she was for the mma fights but i'm pretty sure she was like 265 or more for my fight and fast forward to the next day i like wake up i'm like fuck god damn what did i get myself into i just poked the bear and um my boyfriend's pretty good at like talking like me through stuff and he's like you're fine like you got in this you know you're walking out of the room he's like and then they're micing up my coach my one coach jay rugelbuto they're micing him up and they're like you know just in case like you know she beats her let's mic you up so we have like the footage and

like we have your you coaching and we can make a thing out of it and um so i go out there and i do what i did i did awesome i literally displayed beautiful jujitsu so i say technically it was the easiest match ever one of the easiest matches i ever did but physically it was one of the hardest like i felt like death after that um like she's a house yeah and it's crazy too because no disrespect but there were 15 minute matches and i heard my coach go you're five minutes in, kid. And I'm like, I'm only five minutes in. It felt like six hours. Time has got to be so goddamn slow in there.

It's weird. It depends on the match. My MMA fight, I thought the five minutes felt like so long. And then other times it could feel so short. It's really crazy. I think it really just depends on the pace of the match and and who you're going against but um she's so big that her lips were like turning purple on the match i was like oh i'm dying but you're really dying

because her body i'm sure can't like provide the oxygen it needs because she's so big um all that i'm not gonna lie when you sent me the video over the first time she started talking my honest question was was this always a female yep i mean from what i understand yes there's never been anything other than that like proven i think i don't know i don't know it's never been proven but i'm pretty sure she's always been a girl she looked more feminine a few years ago i think but the steroids have like changed her like her like facial structures or something like if you saw her from like 10 years ago it's not really recognizable to what she looks like now and there's no drug testing no so there's sometimes

i think for like the ibjjf which is the international brazilian jiu-jitsu federation so that's like a whole nother how do they not have drug testing on this yeah i don't know so a lot of a lot of people do steroids and jiu-jitsu we we always say um they're brazilian vitamins because a lot of the brazilians do them i mean how how even accurate are, like, USADA's abilities to catch this stuff now? I mean, I know it's accurate, but I guess the better question is how many people, not just in jiu-jitsu, because obviously they don't do tests in there, but in other things, in MMA, stuff like that. Like, in your opinion, and if you don't know, no problem, but how many people are successfully subverting these tests uh i don't think many you saw it does a really good job in the ufc because they will test you at like five in the morning at your doorstep and they do multiple tests like they'll test you one

day and they could be back next week you have no idea when they're coming back so it's always a matter of they take your test and they get like a baseline of like what you're normally at and then usually if you're like test like off the charts on something it might be a clue that you're on something um but they usada does a pretty good job with the ufc um i know a lot of fighters that like get super annoyed that usada shows up at their door at 5 a.m i look i think it's very necessary for 100 i really do because especially when you're getting weighed into it and it's just anything where it is mortal combat potentially oh 100 you have to have it you could

literally kill someone i guess the argument with jujitsu is because there's no striking but still you know you're you're getting someone to submit. There's a lot of things that can happen there. And you got the refs in there who are tight and close, but there's things that happen fast. It's still – like, again, watching you roll around with this girl, I feel like it's almost not respectful to call her that. She's enormous. She's a large human being. My first thought is that that shouldn't be allowed to happen.

But you beat her, which makes it all the more impressive. And I have this video, by the way, if you want to roll this. I guess this is the press conference? Yeah, so they kind of do short clips from it. It's not like the full press conference but you get the idea all right if i'm not allowed to play this we're just gonna you're gonna pick up to where we finish watching the video but for people out there the video is called levy called gabby out the best moments from the wno championship press conference okay this is the press conference

so they but again they do like clips of it so yeah right this is yeah i conference. But again, they do clips of it. Right. I want to get a clip of the press conference, and then I'll pull up the fight too. The merch that you got brought here with you. It's my job. Be the number one. No, that's not what it says. What does it say on the back? Don't be a pussy.

Don't be a pussy is her job. I just want to know why that we all had to weigh in, and she didn't have to weigh in. So, I don't think that's fair. Silence. I just want to know why that we all had to weigh in and she didn't get have to weigh in so I Think I don't think it's fair silence I Thought I thought he wasn't an option but this is not my contract if you wanna ask me anyone ask my manager

No, like not me Why Gabby Garcia does not have to weigh in. Because it's not in my contract. Everyone should get to know her weight since everyone knows our weight. It's only fair. Okay, but you don't know my contract. I'm just stating that they should have had it. You don't know my contract. I'm just stating they should have had it in your contract.

Okay, you don't know my contract. You don't know my contract. I know it. No, it's not the same one. It's the same for everyone. Everybody was here to do the weigh-in and you didn't show up. You talk all that shit on the video. You don't even show up for the weigh-in and you didn't show up. You talk all that shit on the video. You don't even show up for the weigh-in.

Super disrespectful. Talk about unprofessional, too. Unprofessional. Like, let the people know. Yeah. What is being a pussy having to do with the fact of knowing your weight? Like, you know all of our weights now. Why don't we know your weight?

Let's do this. When you have, like, the same tires title as I have, you asking for anything. What does that even mean? She was saying when you win everything that I've won, then you can negotiate your own contract. It wasn't in her contract. I found out later.

I really didn't know her contract. I'm like, maybe I really don't know her contract. We asked the head guy of the tournament and he was like no you could tell she was uncomfortable oh 100 and then she was on internet on the internet like commenting on my um my post and this was the day before the fight yeah this was the day before yeah that's that's some good mental warfare right now 100 you knew you had her in a corner at least on that yeah well i i realized it too when she was like commenting on stuff i'm like i'm not even responding to you on the on instagram get the freak out of here you're not worth my time dude now when you went in there

when when the match first started how quick was it where you could kind of see it in her eyes that she was like oh shit this is gonna be hard um probably when you see her sit on her butt so that's called pulling guard because she was getting tired um usually she like runs girls off the mat and i was like you're not running me off the mat girl i don't know you're you're going with another person here um but i was doing a very good job of like cutting angles on her on my feet where i feel like a lot of girls kind of just stay very stagnant in front of her so she's just able to like run them off the mat literally run them off the mat but um essentially she doesn't fight with any skill she's fighting strictly just based on that's super annoying too is because she wins everything based on her size her matches will be

so boring because she's like on a top position and just laying there um that's that's annoying yeah it's super annoying and it's like yeah you have all these titles but like did you really win them it's almost i mean like i know you won but like come on come on if someone was born 10 feet tall playing in the nba it gets to a point where it's like okay like not that that's happened but like how the fuck do you beat that yep you know exactly and then with her weight it's like impossible to take her down like if i went shot in on like an actual takedown on her she sprawled on me she would probably break my back with her weight like it's just a crazy that's why i was wishing they would do more of a weight class for women like a middle

weight because it just like i'm too too small to go against someone 100 pounds heavier than me you will never see a guy go against someone 100 pounds heavier than them there are absolute divisions which is like no weight class you could be 110 pounds fighting someone that big but you usually do your for your own weight class first so that's like a lot of tournaments a lot of tournaments will do okay you do your weight class you fight your weight class and then you can fight in the absolute division which is no weight class i mean even what was the difference when logan fought floyd in an exhibition fight it was like 30 pounds or something and probably on fight day it was probably like 35 pounds yeah even that i mean floyd's pound for pound maybe the best fighter ever logan's not that so there's like there's a

trade-off there but imagine i was thinking about that i'm like you know floyd's also not 30 years old at this point imagine if somehow it's not gonna happen but if logan fucking connected like if just if floyd like took a shit for a minute and he just connected like that's a problem yep you know now you add it to mma that would be a whole different thing but you know you're rolling around with people at that size at that i mean you're talking about maybe 110 pound difference 120 whatever it is it is it's just seismic it's it's like i just i i can't believe they let that happen but that's why i'm not in this world you know it's like one of those things so after this fight though did that kind of is that the thing that put you really on the map

yep exactly so i just like started getting all these followers and all these messages and the messages were great because it was just like thank you for beating gabby i freaking hate her and i'm like you're welcome and are these fans all over the world i take it yeah so i actually had someone send me a picture of them with next to their tv in korea oh yeah i'm like this is cool um yeah so it was just really cool to have like such an outreach of people contacting you after such a big win like that. And then it's cool, too, for the people at home that you actually train with and to see how happy they are for you. Oh, yeah. Yeah, it's definitely a cool community.

Most of my friends now are in jiu-jitsu. I probably have two high school friends, and now all my other friends are mostly jiu-jitsu. Jiu-jitsu people are MMA people. Oh, so they all do it themselves? Yeah. So my coach, my one coach, his name is J. Regal Buto, which is funny too because they're like all older than me. Not that he's like super old. He's like 40, but like I'm 25.

Almost retired. 25, but all my friends are like in their 30s and their 40s, which is fine. It's cool because they're way more chill than people my age. And they get it too. I feel like when you're with people that do the sport too, they understand you a little bit better. Absolutely. Yeah. So it's cool.

It's its own little world and I like it. It's exploding now for sure. Would you say the biggest bases or the the biggest base is like in the u.s or are there certain countries around the world where this is just enormous brazil i would probably be i mean american jiu-jitsu is very like is taking off because a lot of brazilians live here too especially because a lot of competitions are here and stuff like that but brazil is probably uh like one of the top places for jiu-jitsu i mean it is one of it is one of the top places for jiu-jitsu next to the united states i mean you

said a lot of these girls are brazilian but are there other countries as well that have a lot of representation and the u.s i assume is one of them there's one guy from australia his name is craig jones he's like another one who's amazing at jiu-jitsu um but it's mostly I think US and Brazil you'll get like some people who are like like maybe like from Europe or something but they're not as known as like the American and Brazilian um grapplers it's something that I'm I'm curious to see if we'll see successful branding in some of these different – what's the word I'm looking for? Silos of not MMA but hand-to-hand combat sports, right? So you have the UFC at the top, and this is probably an interesting thing to talk about with you because you are in one of the three main promotions.

But the UFC is top dog, obviously. Like they have the most name brand recognition. They started on zero. And in a lot of ways, like when I look at it, they didn't invent these things, obviously. But they invented a lot of the space to like have attention and huge fan bases and stuff like that but i'm curious to know if we are going to see different muay thai promotions or different grappling only promotions or you know what i mean like stuff like that rise up over the next decade two decades where we start to have ufc as its own thing just like boxing is right ufc has

taken that mantle and now we have league x that is grappling that is its own thing and is huge and people are watching it on saturday nights so that's what one of the matches um that fury grappling i was talking about they're doing a really good job of like putting jiu-jitsu on the map so a lot of people were just like annoyed i think because there used to be another promotion that used to do like a big like stage a walkout song smoke and you would be able to fight on the stage right and people would buy tickets and it was mostly like jiu-jitsu people like if you were buying a ticket you probably knew someone that was fighting on that card right um so they would do them all across the country um it was called fight to win

and um then this fury grappling just started this year i think and they did that promotion in philly which was with mma fighters ufc fighters fighting really like top level jiu-jitsu people and they put it on ufc fight pass so it got, I think it was probably the most viewed jiu-jitsu tournament in, like, 2021. Because they had such a big platformer for it. So the UFC, I think, gave Fury Grappling the money. And they were able to put on, like, a great production of jiu-jitsu for everyone to see. So I think it's starting to go into that direction. I'm not sure if it'll actually take off. But it's cool to see Jiu Jitsu on like a high level stage like that.

Yeah, the one thing that would be holding it back is the lack of as crazy as it sounds the lack of insane violence. Yeah, no, let's let's be honest. Yeah, which ironically, there is combat Jiu Jitsu, which is open hand strikes. Oh, so they do have that. Yeah, so it's not really that big. And a lot of people think it's cheesy. But so it's open hand strikes. So you can't punch, you can't have a closed fist, but you can like whack. Oh, you can hit some people.

Close proximity too. Oh, 100%. So that's not that big yet though? No, not really. It just, I want to say it started around like 2018 ish and that's like a whole like i think there's actually like the refs from the ufc actually rough it a lot of them wow so there's it's it's that close that they could just go do that i think that was on ufc fight pass too um but it just – that doesn't have as big of a platform as regular jiu-jitsu does.

But, like, there was, like, I don't know if you know Cowboy. Cowboy's around. Yeah. He did a combat jiu-jitsu match with a really big-known grappler, Craig Jones, from Australia that I was talking about. That was, like – they made it fun to watch. Yeah. They were both having a good time with it.

But, yeah, it was open palm striking and jiu-jitsu. I got to see what that looks like. Yeah, it's neat. I need to give that the eye test because in my head, that sounds pretty fucking wild. But I don't know if it's like that pulled back because they can't do closed hand. I don't know. Yeah, it's not for everyone. I mean, I don't really.

I think I watched like one match, two matches of it, but it doesn't really interest me that much. Yeah, I mean, look, wrestling is this huge sport. You think about it just like in America. I know it's obviously big in a lot of other places too, but just thinking about what I know here, it's an example of a huge sport that a lot of kids do growing up, but the only thing that has like a ton of attention on

wrestling is wwe which is also like acting too like let's call it what it is it's not like an actual it's not like the ufc or something like that so there's certain sports like lacrosse that's a team one but there's another one like there's certain sports that just don't translate for whatever reason to people from loving to play it to really fucking adamantly consuming it yep so i'm sure there's going to be at least some of that with this but i always think about the kind of like the antithesis trend here that we see with building fan bases on this kind of stuff and what i mean by that is in my opinion society in a lot of ways has gone very soft in a lot of different directions on different things and our tolerance for

really anything is at an all-time low people flip out with a tweet or an instagram post and text whatever in five seconds it's just what they can do and yet we are seeing an all-time high of as we already pointed out the most violent sport that i think has ever come up through this whole thing i know some people have argued they're like well no boxing's still more violent i still disagree with that i think ufc when you're talking about four limbs mma, I mean, Jesus Christ. The damage you can just do with your elbow is insane. Yeah, I didn't even count the elbow. But I'm saying, like, the legs and the fists right there, then add in the elbows.

I mean, I guess there's no headbutting and shit. But it's wild stuff. You can do foot stomps. You can do foot stomps? Yep. I didn't even know that. Yeah, and you can, like, kick someone's knee. I didn't know that. Yeah, that's the one kick someone's knee. I didn't know that.

Yeah, that's the one that like you'll see some of the videos where the guy's like knee goes behind. Yeah, that's terrible. That's gross to see. But yeah, exactly. Like we're seeing something like this take pop culture's attention and have so many people so into it while at the same time societies move the opposite way. Yeah, that is weird. Right? That's crazy.

That's a good observation. I like that observation. I think about that a lot of society and like this hardcore sport so why do we want that probably because we're lacking in society but then we complain about any of that in society i know like i'm still all for kids should fight like if kids are like fighting i feel like you just gotta let them fight it out i mean obviously no like knives or anything but like i think i feel like our parents and like our grandparents had it right you know i think look you have a problem with someone and as a kid yo you take it out get it out of your system and then you have respect for them that's the whole thing right so you go into these mma fights like conoror McGregor you talk a ton of shit and then afterwards at for the most part everyone's so respectful after I mean there's like a couple people that he didn't have like the best relationship afterwards but for the most part

he he tells them he's like listen dude that's all about the money and he just gives him a hug you earn respect after you fight someone 100 there's just a level of respect that you cannot get in any other form besides fighting someone i want to table the conor mcgregor thing and come back to that because i'd love to talk with you about that but i want to stay first with what you're saying about like kids fighting and stuff i agree i think there's there's good and bad in everything right are there things that our grandparents probably did in school that it's good that we don't have that anymore absolutely are there aspects of fighting and stuff school that it's good that we don't have that anymore?

Absolutely. Are there aspects of fighting and stuff that it's probably good that we don't have that level of tolerance towards certain things with kids anymore? Sure. Absolutely. But like this hysteria, and that's almost like an extreme example, like a schoolyard fight and stuff. But the hysteria with kids doing fucking anything anything it's like you have to let them grow up you have to let them like we are animals as humans it just is what it is there's certain things that like we are the most dignified kings of the animal kingdom but there's certain little

things that we have to loosen up out of our body and allow to adjust and like i even see it i hate to bring it into this but you have to like i even see it with the whole covid culture and schools you know we're fucking fighting over shit that frankly like yes covid is is dangerous for a lot of people the data suggests that it is not at all for kids know? And yet we got these kids fucking in school adhering to all these crazy rules. And we're putting a crisis over even fucking talking to someone in too close proximity. Can you imagine what the masks are doing to kids like psychology, right? They probably feel so safe behind this little mask. And like to the point where I got so upset one time because i saw like

this kid just walking home by himself with a mask on still i'm like outside yeah by himself it's not his fault either yeah i know i know what i know and i'm like this is terrible terrible for the psychology of of kids terrible you see what word you just used there what when you said behind his mask you said safe oh yeah exactly this is this is a favorite topic of mine you just walked right into it but everything is about an overemphasis on safety you know and and i don't want to be a callous jerk-off but let me be a callous jerk-off for a second in a large population in any large number population be it a country a fucking state whatever shit happens you or i could walk outside and get hit by a bus we don't stop buses allowing to exist you know if things if if fucking everyone's getting hit by a bus well now you got

a problem you know if if if two percent of kids dying from COVID, this is a different story. You know, this is like, okay, this is a mass killer. But when you start to then take the concept of everything, every single thing in the world is one life is too many. The motivation behind that is great. Putting that into practice basically makes you the person who wears a fucking glass hazmat suit around them for their entire lives just to get out of bed in the morning. That's not good. Nope. Nope. I am so sick of COVID too, which it sucks because COVID kills sports like jiu-jitsu right so and so many schools were struggling from having the lock having the cl from the lockdowns just having to close you know close contact oh my gosh

uh like what happened to the days where you just like felt sick you stayed home why is it so hard to do i know i know and i mean it should be like kind of good news now because you have the omicron one and that's the first one that is like whoa this is real for everyone it appears on a large population basis this is like the virus is mutating into a lower virus like great you know everyone i know right now has code yeah literally everyone it's crazy everyone yep they're all fine they just stay home and all of them are okay yeah amazing it's crazy at the beginning fine you know before his vaccine all that fine like there's certain things that's like fine i just have an issue with how far they took it right away and then kept on saying like oh but if you do this we're gonna stop never stop yeah just kept going you know and to keep it on

the kids the emotional intelligence that is being stripped from them like we started this talking about like fights in the schoolyard and everything but like the emotional intelligence that they are now lacking from such a long period of time of forget just remote school like they had for a while but even being back in school and having fucking glass visors around their desk being forced to not see other facial expressions like how the fuck do you think a kid learns human interaction yep social cues and everything this just shouldn't be that hard but they're making it hard i know it's so terrible i don't even know what to say i'm like at a loss for words

anymore because the more i complain about it the more i just get angry and i'm just like is it worth it is it worth getting this angry about probably but i just i don't know i don't know what to say anymore it's it's hard because there's like nothing we can do about it exactly except talk about it like this yeah you know and hopefully enough people wake up to that and say like, okay, well, there's reasonable things we can do here to combat this thing or whatever. But there's also, where do you draw the line on, on certain things that we just accept as like rule? And like, I don't have a kid right now.

You don't have a kid right now, right? No. Okay. right now you don't have a kid right now right no okay so i know how i feel about it without that and then i try to imagine how i'd feel if i did have a kid but like having my kid messed up in school would drive me insane oh my god it'd be enough for me to like homeschool my kid which also then will defeat the whole purpose yeah i know it's and And that's, but you see, I mean, just go online. You see people talking like this all the time. I'm homeschooling my kid next year.

Like they're not kidding. In some case, some of them are just blown off steam, but I get it. It's like, what the fuck else are we doing here? Yep. You know? And then I just think about other countries. There are other countries who are handling this differently

and doing okay. They're not all dying, right? And then, I mean, what the fuck do you think they're doing in China? Who knows? Yeah. Maybe they're doing the same thing. I don't know. You know, but I feel like...

I bet all their kids are in school. Probably. That's where I lean. They're being math wizards. Exactly. Like, they have rigorous, rigorous education over there so i read this book i read this book called the outliers phenomenal book isn't it great i know you're gonna please bring this up i don't think this has come up on the podcast but bring this up so it's all about

how people are successful and the reasons why they're successful right um you're gonna bring up the one i'm thinking of the one with uh the chinese students and how their language and the way their language interprets to math is why they're so good at math is because it's a shorter amount of time that you have to say the numbers or something along those lines yeah right it's shorter like their language is easier for math basically it's basically the whole concept of this i think it was like we have one through ten and then you have to add another word and two syllables onto it. And then by the time you get to and they're new, like they're completely new phonetically shaped words as well. And then by the time you get to 100, now it's all like there's not even anything that roots back to the initial numbers.

So like 12 could root back to two. Right. roots back to the initial numbers so like 12 could root back to two right when you get to 102 well now it's on the back end and you have a different word in front of it whereas i think in china it was like they basically just build off the same pebble yeah like the whole way up so it's easier for kids to grasp the concept of math yeah and like people used to say like oh you can't say asians are good at math i'm like first of all that's a compliment i don't know why that's like a thing like i would but it's an actual thing but secondly it is a scientific thing like like not even scientific it's like a this is what it is yep you know and then it's about their work ethic too their um

their work ethic is incredible their i forget how what he calls it. Something legacy. Ancestral legacy or something. So basically how hard they have to work in like the rice patties. Like producing rice and how hard and diligent that work is. It translates over into everything else they do in life. Right? So like they have to work so hard. So they put all that the same energy into basically everything they do. Because they take pride in their work. It's crazy crazy that book is i 100 recommend it i had to

read it for school it was oh my gosh it was crazy good have you read some of his other stuff too no but i i heard that he had a lot of other good books the tipping point's a great one the one of the late one of the latest ones he wrote a couple years ago talking to strangers that's come up a bunch on this podcast. But he's like, I love how he looks at things. Yeah, I do too. Not to use the title of his book, but he finds the outlier perspectives to explore and then writes a book on that. And then it's like, oh, that makes a lot of sense.

But you wouldn't think of it like i wouldn't think of it so this is the one that really got me just because it was martial arts related so new jersey and pa are known for having the best wrestlers in the country okay it's just like a like the top wrestlers i forget like how many there are like i knew new jersey was loaded i didn't know jersey mpa or the top for the country do you know why they're not they're not in california because they don't have winter over there so they're always outdoors versus kids here no one wants to be outdoors in the winter so they're inside sweating their butts off working hard in wrestling rooms your environment yep how many of the best surfers in the world are from new hampshire not a lot right but that's a bad one i think new hampshire's landlocked but like

massachusetts not a lot a lot you know hawaii florida probably yep you know it's also like the size of the waves everything is related to your environment in a way it's interesting when you start thinking about that for how people turn out though too. Like let's talk about you with your attitude towards probably pulling out your hair looking at some of the stuff as far as you see work ethics from places like China and how good the kids are there at getting after shit. And then you look here and it's not the same and we're very soft with things. But then on your end, it's like you've been working your balls off for your entire life you know obviously like you went through school and all that but on the side you're making yourself into a professional athlete doing something at the highest level and in arguably i'd say like the

most intense possible thing you could do so that's like your environment of your dad and your uncle and the people who yeah maybe they were a little over the top but they like were cheering you on helping you out like saying oh do you want to try this oh you like it oh we're supporting you the whole way and then being a fan of it with you as you got better and then you also see the results of that and you keep on fighting for more and like no pun intended you know like trying to get to the next level it's like that's what you know that's your environment since you were 11 years old so maybe not four years old but long enough that like this is your reality yep there's other people that maybe they don't have a parent who gives a shit about them or maybe they don't find a thing maybe you know you see a lot of people who

they could even have their whole life goes wrong not to say like you excuse this because there's a point to where you have to like take control of your own shit but you know they get picked on when they're 10 years old and they don't get something like jujitsu as an outlet to learn to like fight against that and then it just fucks up their whole life you know these little things that you know you i heard a line one time and i think a lot of people probably said this but you don't get to choose where you're born it's a very very deep but incredibly true thing to think about oh absolutely um i mean i was just so fortunate that i had supportive parents the way i did and i had had a really good balance, too, because my dad was so hard, and then my mom was so like, oh, my poor baby.

So it was a very good balance. Did your mom go to the fights? Oh, my gosh, yeah. So I told her not to anymore because she went to my first MMA fight, and she was screaming the whole time to the point where my sister was like, Mom, shut up. Oh, she's into it. Yeah. She's into it.

So she screams like, that's my daughter. It was insane. And then my first pro fight, which was in August, she got super drunk for it. She was home. She stayed home because it was in Florida. And she stayed home, but she was super drunk to watch it. And my mom isn't even a drinker. Both my parents aren't drinkers. So the fact that she even got drunk she was tailgating yeah right i was like

what so she calls me and she's like 100 drunk on the phone like crying and the way i'm so proud of you i'm like okay thanks but um yeah it's it was cool it's very very cool. And that's very lucky, that part. Yeah, exactly. You know, like having that. Yeah. And it's not just financial advantages or stuff like that. Like that's the thing everyone goes to like, oh, that kid over there is really rich. So that's the advantage he had.

Yes, I'm sure that is for a lot of things, a lot of resources and stuff. But it's like how supportive the people around you are. How, by the way, like let's take it another level. How does the environment shape those people, right? So you might have a great parent who is forced to work two different jobs or something. They're working 16 hours a day. They're tired. They're not around as much.

And then when they come home, they're not always the nicest person, not because they're not a great person, but because it's like, holy shit, I just worked all fucking day. You know what I mean? Well, it's the basic thing is if you have two kids growing up in a household with an alcoholic, one could turn into an alcoholic. The other one can say, I'm never going to touch alcohol in my life. So I think at some point it also depends on you, right? How you're interpreting, how you're taking things in and you're seeing it and you're going, okay, I do want to do that. I don't want to do that. So my, like, I don't know if this is, like, the actual reason why my mom doesn't really drink.

I mean, she'll have, like, a glass of wine every blue moon. I was going to say, she'd just tell Gideon to quit. Yeah, yeah. But, like, her, my grandpa was, like, an alcoholic. So I don't know if that has like some kind of relation to like why she doesn't she wasn't a big partier wasn't a big drinker um but like i said you could have an alcohol parent and you go two ways with it yeah so at some point accountability is also in the in the mix here i think yeah i assume you know some people like the example

you just gave where they just never touched it, never touched alcohol. And they might have been fine, but they grew up around it. And they saw what that could be. And I've known several people like that in my life, and I respect that so much. I'm like, shit, I don't know what that's like to deal with. Imagine being like 10 and having a parent your parent. Yeah. Terrible.

So what's your drink of choice? What's my drink of choice? Yeah. If it's got liquor in it, I like it. I'm very simple. There you go. What about you? So I, lately I haven't really been touching alcohol, but when I do, I like, I'll go to

dinner and have like a cocktail, like a nice, like cool one. You know, I like the cool drinks. Are you doing one of the real girly ones no i mean like i said it would be your style i'll do like ones with like whiskey in it i usually prefer or like a martini like espresso martini i like do you want some whiskey i'm okay yeah yeah okay we got it back there i'm supposed to offer that yeah you're good um but yeah and then i like some like craft beers ever blue moon but yeah i just realized you're wearing a yingling oh yeah so that's when i was

like i mean i'm like still in my early 20s but like when i was like 21 22 all i would drink was yingling like that was it that was my your hardcore yeah your hardcore you that you would fit you fit in among the boys 100 like y yangling what was the other one we were drinking college obviously there was like the really poor man's natty light yeah that's a big that's a big northeast philly one shout out to natty light but what was the other one like the really white trashy one um pbr oh yeah okay blue ribbon that was the one um so in philly you do a citywide and it's one of those with a shot of whiskey. A citywide?

That's what they're called. If you go to Philly and you go to a bar and say, can I have a citywide? And they'll give you a PBR. They give you Pabst with a shot of whiskey. Yeah. We definitely did that. I didn't know that that was a Philly thing. Yeah.

That's pretty cool. Yeah. So next time when you go to Philly, you could be like, oh, I'll give you a citywide. I want a citywide. Hilarious. like you could you could be like oh yeah i'll give you a city why hilarious but yes um i mean another northeast philly thing is like twisted tea lights twisted tea lights lights it has to be a light because i don't know why but that's like the thing in northeast philly right now i mean it's always been so a lot of people do like tea offs so like they'll just like chug a twisted tea light because i guess the sugar yeah the sugar is just not as intense in a way it almost tastes more like

an unsweetened iced tea yeah which i prefer that over like the regular twisted tea the regular twisted tea is like too much sugar for me they're dangerous though like they're really and they give you the worst hangover from the sugar oh oh you will give and i don't care whether it's the sugar one or the not sugar one like you could have 15 of those and not know it yeah oh shit okay are you a seltzer person or no of course i like it that's if it's got alcohol in it i like it but like that stuff that's another one like when i saw that first coming out i'm like oh boy this would if i were still in college holy shit like this would be a problem because it also keeps you hydrated yep it tricks you yep so uh the summer drink over at my house was a seltzer and then you put like tequila in it that was dangerous yeah dangerous mix tequila is

the one that's that's like... When people buy that shot, like even when they buy the good stuff, I'm like, you know, this feels like punishment. Yeah. Feels like punishment. For sure. It's not like...

Like a good tequila mixed drink, strong tequila mixed drink is great. The shot, I'm always like, you know, my face muscles just gotta work out. That wasn't the best thing ever. Do you like Rumpel, Rumpelmints? Rumpel? Yeah, I think that's what it's called.

Yeah, I think, yeah. It's like the very peppermint one, like the super like intense mint. I'm not a big peppermint guy. I like that one. It's like a very intense. That's a tequila? No, no, no. It's just, I think it's vodka.

I was going to say, they make a peppermint tequila? Yeah, it's just i think it's vodka i was gonna say they made a peppermint tequila yeah it's just like straight it literally tastes like you're i don't even know like you're taking a shot of like somewhere freezing like antarctic and like it's super intense like clears your nostrils and everything it's weird how alcohol is all based off of the same substance that has that same effect but they it's supposed to be gross like in and of itself but then they find all these weird ways to give it like these different experiences like these cultural geographic experiences and then not to be like the upscale alcohol asshole but it's it's kind of true yeah you know i'm i'm definitely with wine you know i'm a neanderthal like you give me red or

white wine like oh that shit tastes great cool you ever see the the um they're called sommeliers right the ones that can like taste the wine and tell you what county it's from in california or europe or something they could tell you if it's been if it was a good um weather that year that it was produced like it is insane what they can taste in that one glass of wine the people that go like this would like the the fucking fishbowl looking thing i'm detecting some wood chip uh a little bit of razz hint of raspberry from the south of france it's like i'm glad you got that bro yeah like hit me with some friends here we're good like let's roll my boyfriend used to

be a brewer so and they're like that too with yes yes so when i first started dating him every time i would we would go to like a brewery or something i would like try to taste what was in it before i read the description so he'd be like what do you like taste it and what do you think's in it and i would like try to search for flavors in it but man dude he would get them right every single time without reading them and i would be like struggle city it's actually crazy crazy they were right all the time or sometimes it was like that shit's just made up oh um maybe maybe i think sometimes it's made up they definitely do that with wine yeah sometimes oh yeah i'm like fuck it that's a goddamn grape someone stepped on that you know what i mean and like i know there's i don't know

if you've had like a glass of like a really good wine with a rich person or something there is a difference like there's no doubt but like when people start doing it with every single one and then they can tell like the 82 from the 87 and you know like oh it's grown during that see it's like okay you know i had skylar bouchard in here she's becoming a somalier because she's like a she has a huge food blog she's had for 10 years that's made her business she's so fucking good at it but she knows like a lot of that stuff and she was also saying though that some of the i guess like overdoing it i think she said it better than that but like the overdoing it and stuff actually puts like a barrier to wine to where people are

like i just don't you know like the average person's like i don't want to fucking deal with that just get me drunk give me a yingling right Right. And she's like, you know, that shouldn't – like that's – the wine community has to figure that out. Yeah. That's another one. They got to like – they got to kind of get behind that. But, you know, like with the – so your boyfriend, you said he had a brewery? No. So he was a brewer.

He was a brewer. Yeah. Like this place called Urban Village in Philly. Okay. So he – I'm sorry. It's just like a small little brewery. It's nothing like i'm sorry it's just like a small little brewery it's nothing like crazy big it's just like a microbrewery i think they're called when they're like small see that kind of thing not to be stereotypical but like that just seems like kind of a like dudes and bros like doing their thing and having an art behind it kind of deal like it's

almost like a club whereas when what you get from wine is almost like a class thing yeah that's where i draw the line where i'm like okay a little snobby yeah exactly yeah you know like there's no when when when brewers are talking to each other you don't get that like snobbiness you get the like all right this guy's a nerd for beer yeah exactly i'm glad he's got exactly you know so like i think when sky was talking about she's like a lot of the up-and-comers like of the somalias are trying to like get that same energy that they have on like the brewery side or something like that makes sense yeah i like it yeah there's a lot of weird

changes like social changes that affect a lot of different things these days i feel like we jumped into such a weird uh area like from 2019 to like 2021 i feel like i look at everything like so differently after being locked down which is like so weird but now i just like look at everything differently i don't know i don't know if you do that too now i know exactly what you mean yeah it just and i can't really like put like uh words to describe it but i try it it's just i look at everything so so differently i don't know i don't even know how to explain it is it like on the on the tv as a kid when you would see the flashback where it goes into gray and then on the cartoon then comes back yeah yeah exactly i feel like everyone was just like living and then they it just like stopped and now everyone's like kind of going back to normal and we're all like –

Are they? But it's not normal. Yeah. Yeah. Like everyone thinks we're going back to normal and it's not normal. And it will probably never be normal again, which is like even more sad. People were already attached to phones and stuff. Oh, I hate that too because it's actually scary

when you observe someone who's like locked on their phone and just like scrolling mindlessly and how obsessive people have become of like looking at other people's instagrams or like seeing what people are up to it's like disgusting like it feels gross to me i don't know if it feels gross to you but it feels gross to me it feels wrong like it feels uh i don't know it's just not not a fan of it i actually hate social media and i only use it because i have to to like be somewhat relevant yeah exactly everything's about your sport on there pretty much exactly i hate it i freaking hate it now that was like one of my new year's resolutions was to like be better at social media because I just like slack on it because I hate it so much. But you know what?

I don't disagree at all. I really. It just feels so toxic. Yes. And it's so like you say gross with people looking at phones. I would even go in a different direction, but I don't know what word I'm thinking of. It's like, and this isn't the word I'm thinking of, but it's like simulated, man. I mean, it's like you look at this and you're like, they know exactly, they knew exactly that this was going to happen.

And that's prior to the pandemic. I mean, that's prior to the pandemic. Now think about the pandemic. Yes, it's one of the things I looked at that changed my view on it recently was social media and phones. Like I never realized before the pandemic how everyone is so attached to their phones. And I don't know if it got worse over the pandemic because people were locked down. But before I feel like I didn't really pay attention that much. And then after when this pandemic hit and I saw how attached people are to their phones now, I'm just like, this just doesn't feel good. It's not just the attachment, though.

It's now the communication. And that's probably why I use a word like simulated at least in there. The communication is setting all expectations of what communication is completely online. Again, we were already there. But like you talk about the bootloader to the metaverse and all that where people are just going to be disconnected from the physical world and everything real online is the only thing that's real. You see these people and how they talk online. Then you talk with them in real person. They're not like that i was literally just

going to mention that how fake it almost is how you can interact with someone online and so different than interacting with them in person and how bad some people are now at socially interacting with you like sometimes when i talk to people i'll be like that was a weird encounter that was awkward like it just didn't feel right didn't feel natural yeah it's like gabby going online and talking about your shit but you see her in that press conference she's fucking 12 seats down from you and scared and then you see her face during that whole fight like and that and that's at a high level too like you guys respect the both of you you're doing some crazy shit right just think about the average person talking about an opinion you know and again like you're bringing this up because the pandemic the world changed

and all that yeah these trends were there but now it's just they're in such overdrive that they've added all these other trends on top of it and i'm like yeah we're not gonna put the the rabbit back in the hat here this is done you know and that's not a fun like i'm an optimistic person i don't like thinking like that but you know i can sit here and we can talk about the kids and all that and i'm kind of like yeah i want it to change of course i do but damage is done yep do you want kids one day of course but i'll admit that it's that it's like a thought now. Do you want to bring kids into this? Is that your thought?

Because that's my thought sometimes. I'm like, do I really want to put kids in this situation? In this world? Like it's such a different world now. All right, stick on your tinfoil hat. I have to ask this. Do you think that's what they want people to think maybe i listen i am all nothing is off the table for me when it comes to conspiracies

everything i love talking about conspiracy epstein let's go they're so fun to me but they're also like real so i um joe rogan just had that um oliver stone oliver something on who did a documentary on like the jfk assassination and the stuff he's saying on there you're just like what wait he oliver stone the director did a documentary on jfk the assassination yeah because he did a movie on jfk no no the movie was 25 years ago oh okay yeah i think it was a documentary he um but he was on joe rogan like last year or like a year ago or something no this was literally like two days ago he put oh he was on there again yeah oh i gotta see this is a recent episode i was actually listening to it while i was driving here oh no shit yeah but that had me

like i'm like texting my sister i'm like yo you gotta listen to this so oliver stone made a documentary now on i think yeah the same topic he made i forget what i think the movie might have been called jfk too but yeah yeah i don't yeah i don't know but he had like the facts going down with like the cia CIA and all that crazy mess. But it was intense. I recommend listening to that one if you're in the conspiracies. I went to school with... This is such a he said, she said.

But I kind of believe this one. People, if you don't believe me, I fully respect that. I went to school with some kids. Their dad was a prominent individual. And i did not hear this from the kid i heard this from his best friend who was a mutual friend but apparently the claim was that and mind you these are like 14 15 year olds making these claims but the claim was that his dad who again big big big position knew exactly who killed jfk why when obviously when but like how the whole nine everyone who was behind it but he can't ever tell anyone well the biden administration just pushed back more pushed back the release of jfk documents recently yes they did so again nothing is off the table for me did oliver talk

about that i think they mentioned it in uh just like passing but it's it's every administration since his death has like these are the things that drive me nuts and i admittedly like i don't know where you stand but i i fucking hate both of these parties so it's easy for me to just kind of get a good rag on them but like there are certain things that there's just clear whisper down the lanes over the years of oh no i i know like we fight on tv about this this and that but this thing we're all on this you know like you. You talk about Saudi Arabia having some knowledge of some of the people with 9-11. Every administration since then, including the one that was in office at the time, put that to the side. This is another one.

And everyone was like when Trump comes in, oh, he's going to redact it or whatever. There's people back there, man. The president has power, you know like it stops at a certain area like oh donald do you want that picture of you and so and so you know doing whatever you want that out okay you're not gonna you're not gonna release that it's just it's how it goes but it's crazy that like if this happened today our our country's done. The next day. We're done.

Like, wipe us off the face of the earth. We are all going to kill each other. Shit's going down. There's a mutiny. It's over. But because it was just early enough, long before the internet, but just early enough in media,

that they could kind of get away with it slide by that's a pleasant yeah so uh do you think we're watching the downfall of the country now like you know like that's that's like the comparison like i saw this meme it was like we're now this is like at the time of like the roman empire falling but we have wi-fi i just put out a podcast it'll be the one before you that was called the end of the empire question mark so you're all gonna write into this but yeah it's like everything ends and i don't again I don't like to think that way. They had a good run. Yeah. Back-to-back World War II – World War Champion. Back-to-back World War Champion. I got to get a shirt that says that.

That's great. Look, my answer is – I'm going to hedge. I don't know. I don't know. I see things that I don't like. I also see a lot of connectivity around the world of the same patterns and you know the big unknown is china and the question there is like their people it's not their fault they live under a very oppressive evil regime and the regime makes the decisions and so how much of that is

is this another thing i think about we just always need an enemy and so that's what we've done versus hey it's also very real you know i lean towards the second hard like it's very real they buy money is influence they buy stuff their government buy And it seems like we have fallen behind in prioritizing desperation. We don't have that. Our people are content to like everyone, you have to, whether the communists or not, like the government, like they do, they are very like, let's get it fucking done. Somewhere along the way, I think we lost that as a country. It's like that saying, hard times create, you know, what is it? Hard times create tough men and tough men create weak times or something and it's just like an endless cycle um but yeah clips have you seen that quote a lot a lot and it's very very true it's very true i mean again it goes back to uh the participation fair fees. When you have – like I'm trying to remember what book it was. I think it was the guy was like called the next war or the next great battle

of artificial intelligence or something i'll get the title later but kaifu lee k-a-i-f-u not like that but lee he there was a passage in there where he talked about visiting going back and visiting china and i think it was 1999 or 2000 and i think he gave like a lecture or something at a university and at night everything's dark and then the street lights come on and all the kids file out of the dorms and like sit on the curbs and just start working together and studying and like learning and like this was this was like an engineering program i believe and he's looking at that and he's at the time china you could say in 99 2000 was technologically not third world country but

holy shit they were not they weren't second world. They were very, very far behind. He looked at that and he went, oh, give them a decade. They're going to be almost even. And what do you know? 2010, I'd say they weren't quite even yet, but they were really close. And then in the 2010s, that's where they at least pulled completely even and even ahead in a couple different departments. And it's because that is the work ethic they've instilled.

And so I can sit here and say, God damn it. I hated communist government and whatever. But I have to give them like as a people, if their government has government has instilled that hey every blind squirrel finds a nut they've done a great job there i don't see that here yeah i agree i mean i mean our kids are probably partying in college but i mean i'm sure there's some kids but again it's just a different mentality yeah a different way of life over there completely different that balance should be okay though yeah no i i agree yep it's when people then just make that the norm like that's their life like oh yeah you know i'll get out of college i'll nine to five

clocking in party all weekend not have any drive right it's not like everyone's like that but there's a higher percentage of people over there who are i mean in fairness to some of them trying to get out of the fucking rice fields like their parents were there's a lot of poor people that live in that country right whereas we don't have as much of that desperation and i also think like in our in some of our class structures we've had some of the same people that we've perpetually generally generationally left behind too so there's like a weird divide where the people who are middle class and whatever don't have that desperation but then we also have other people who don't even know

like a world that exists where they can even go to a good school yep which is very sick when you think about it which is terrible for one of the greatest countries in the world right that we have such terrible school systems yeah it's terrible terrible terrible i mean how'd you feel about your education growing up it was okay i went to a catholic school so philly schools have are terrible um and i mean i don't know i mean my parent my mom was like uh raised in a very like devout catholic family um i mean my dad was roman catholic too but like not as like serious as my mom's family was about it but i don't know if i lived in a better school area that i would have went to a catholic school um so i know i went to a catholic school because the schools in my

area were that were bad but if we lived in a like a good area with like maybe in the suburbs where it was like great school system and everything i probably i don't know if i lived in a like a good area with like maybe in the suburbs where it was like great school system and everything i probably i don't know if i would have went to a public school still um but like now my mom doesn't even go to church so i mean like i don't i don't wouldn't even really classify myself as catholic anymore either um i just look at everything so differently now like it's like i grew up and i'm like i just have my own i pick and choose what i want to believe in and i just go with that go with the flow no i understand completely but like the school point remains because it was like a different you know it cultivated a more personal environment exactly

and then like catholic school they are big on discipline right so i know i have the some discipline aspects or even respect aspects from catholic school growing up because they were so strict you know you couldn't have like nail polish on in grade school um so i think that kind of also has a play of like shaping you right like if you go to a public school it's like a terrible public school and you're maybe in like a terrible area like in the ghetto and you like, gunshots every day, you're going to be growing up way different, right, than if you are a kid in northeast Philly and just go in the Catholic school. So, yeah, it's just that you're at, like, two extremes on the spectrum in the United States. You're either in, like, a terrible area, a great area, or in,

like, in between, you know? It's's just a crazy crazy thing for such a for a country that is so advanced and everything else that we have such terrible school systems still i don't know why i just thought of this but i remember listening to a debate that joe rogan and ben shapiro were having when he had on ben Shapiro and I do like to listen once in a while to what Ben has to say I know a lot of people like he rubs them the wrong way if they're if they're especially if they're on the left side or you know he's a little bit of a bulldozer about stuff but I think I think he does have some points and then I also i appreciate the fact that the guy does have the conversation with people who disagree with him he will do that a lot and so it was kind of cool when he started

coming on rogan because they obviously come from a lot of different directions that aren't the same but one of the times where i feel like rogan really got him was and he wasn't trying to it's just one of those times where I felt like his argument was just Not there was it was it was really simplified where he was saying when a kid turns 18 or When it when an 18 year old has a choice pick up the gun or don't you either pick it up or you don't and the one thing Joe said back is Not to take away the fact that people do have a choice

on things there is an element of that no matter how you look at it but it's like you know that because of where you're from and what your opportunity is in life there's other people not that that's an extreme scenario but they may pick up the gun because they don't know anything else you know and to bring it back to something that's less extreme with schools you know you may know that like you want to go do this or you have the opportunity to go do that because you at least went through a decent system you know people gave a shit about you it's more than just the parents at home like they got to rely on on the teachers in there to not just give a but also be like pretty good at teaching things other kids didn't get that based on where they live goes right back to the environment thing we were talking about and to me that's a lot that that's a lot like a lottery ticket in this country and that's really

sad because like we've been top of the food chain here since at least world war ii it's been a long time we've had four generations to go through that and yet we haven't we have not found an equitable system for our kids i don't know history i don't think we'll judge that well at all yeah um i I think we're in a, like, it's like a sticky situation, right? Because how do you, like, tell someone, how do you get people in those environments that give those kids hope in those bad areas, right?

So, and then if you say you don't have a choice, then it's like people like, there's a politician, Ben Carson. He was like grew up in the ghetto, ghetto, single, single mom. But he made it out. Right. Yeah. So it's like a weird mix of like you get those ones that make it out and get ones that don't.

So I don't know if it's the influence of parents, school. I mean, I guess it can't be school because then you get so many kids that don't make it out. But I feel like it's also – it should be the job of the school system, but then it can't always be the job of the school system to help these kids get out of what they're already in. It's a balance. Yeah. and you can never get that that's my problem with society on everything there's no comes up every podcast at this point in some context there's no 50 miles an hour there's zero or 100 yeah you know and there's there is absolutely an incredible amount to nuance of nuance to situations like that like a kid coming out of a tough environment you don't like

to bring it back to like democrats and republicans the the stereotypical democrat stance is oh no you're always gonna it's not like they're saying this but they're saying this you're always gonna be like that because you're here it's not your fault like don't worry we'll take care of you forever because there's no hope are you getting out of here and then the republican stance is pick yourself up by the bootstraps figure it out i think both are wrong i think there's elements of both where the motivations come from that if you put them together in a nice, cohesive plan are actually right. If you develop some sense of like self-responsibility on certain things and at least developing that over time in an environment where you're now funded to be able to get that development and give people the opportunity to get there, right? Like you take a few of the ingredients from each side and put them in a pot.

Look, you're never going to have a situation where everyone wins. That's not how life works. But you're going to drastically improve the gap that we see because the gap is huge. Isn't it crazy that we have a school system that doesn't teach us how to be like adults in the real world yeah right like everything you learned you don't probably really use i mean history yeah okay cool they don't teach that very well they don't even teach that really yeah exactly they don't even teach that well and then math you're learning stuff you're never going to use. Like, teach me how to do taxes.

Something that's beneficial to me. You see how that's applicable, though? What do you mean? Like you said, I love that example. Teach me how to do taxes. Yeah. It's because you have to do that. Yeah, exactly.

That's what I'm saying. Like, teach me how to be an adult, a functioning adult. There's no, I guess, it shouldn't be politicized on, there shouldn't be anything politicized about teaching someone how to be an adult, right? Like taxes and how to balance a budget. Stuff you're going to actually need in the real world. It drives me crazy that we go to school and we don't get taught anything practical that we're going to use in our in our day-to-day lives

and like i went i just went back to school recently in september and i'm like doing this like math class and i'm like what are you doing grad school or so i'm doing my prerequisites for nursing oh nice yeah wow so where the hell do you get the time for this shit yeah i was actually very proud of myself for accomplishing like my first semester i was always a kid that could have always been way smarter than i was but i just never studied i just did enough to get by you're busy beating the shit out of people yeah yeah fair excuse yeah so um I just like and my parents never emphasized education that much so um yeah so basically I just did enough to get by I was an average student and I didn't go to college right after high school which I think

was the best thing for me because everyone's like oh aren't you glad oh don't you wish you would have just went to school after high school? I'm like, no, because now I appreciate it way more than I would have. I would have did exactly what I did in high school, did enough to get by. This semester, I was so focused ahead of all my assignments because I had to be because I actually had a life outside of school. I actually have to be an adult. So I appreciate the education more i take i take it way more seriously because i'm paying for it and so on and so forth but so i'm

doing the prerequisites for school and i'm doing this like math class i'm like i'm never going to use any of this and then my exam you're not allowed to use a calculator i'm like when am i not going to have a calculator in the real world like again i get it i get it you guys you should know how to do the stuff but again just give me the freaking calculator dude i mean i did great got a 4.0 but still i just 4.0 yeah nice semester thanks very good um if i went if i went to college right after high school definitely would not have 4.0 that's for sure um but yeah so I'm just like, why am I not gonna have a calculator in the real world? I have a calculator right on my phone, right here.

I love that you used that tax example because when you think about it, the biggest problem at every level, I don't care if it's elementary school, which is where everything starts all the way through high school and even college is when they're teaching you things and failing to show you how it does apply so like you said a line a few minutes ago where you were talking about like a lot of the math shit we don't use

i said the same thing for a long time i still have the knee-jerk reaction to say the same thing sometimes like thinking about back to like calculus and shit but now just based on things i look at and i'm interested in like a little self-education for learning more about i it's hard to explain like without having the examples in front of me and walking you through how on each thing but i will constantly see things that like we learned in calculus now actually applied where most likely someone else is doing it and i'm like oh that's oh shit but they never told us that it was always they were the most bullshit examples and i i think i had some solid teachers too like i went to catholic school and i i think most of my teachers really gave a shit but the way that we it's like school is kids yes but they make everything the kids menu

where you have very little choice in so far as how you're gonna like what types of food you can get you know there's only instead of the menu that has 80 items you have eight yeah and that i'm trying to tie that example to like how they process these things to you like physics physics is a great example i didn't do well in physics i hated it i thought it was absolutely i thought it was dumb right i see physics all the time now i think about it all the time and i'm like i don't think it was the teacher's fault i think he was actually like a pretty good teacher but like it was presented as like physics-y it wasn't presented as like yo if elon wanted to get this shit on mars and he had to take like we didn't do it like that yeah whereas if we had injected like some real world

shit into it i would have been like that's how the motherfuckers do it. Oh, my God. This is the shit. Right? That's not an emphasis even among, like, great teachers. And that's a little scary to me. What was your favorite subject in school? That's a good question.

I would have to say history. history yeah i was a history fan myself yeah what was your favorite history to study the world war ii stuff oh yeah yeah it's so fascinating and now i understand it a lot more because of the whole covet thing how people just go along with things slowly get taken away and people are just completely going along with it and i get it now but that always fascinated me how so many people were are just completely going along with it and i get it now but that always fascinated me how so many people were just able to go along with it any world war ii documentary i am on it right on it i freaking love watching everything about it it just fast it beyond fascinates me now here's the question inside of that what's your favorite part of world war ii and the things around it to study i always like

learning about the holocaust stuff like with like auschwitz and i follow on instagram the holocaust museum and they post stories all the time of different people so they'll put up a picture of someone and give you the background story of like what they did or how they survived or how they died and um that just fascinates me because i can never imagine like that i mean it's happening now look at china doing it to their the two yeah to the people over there so um but it just like completely fascinates me that people just went along with it. There's a Netflix documentary called Ivan the Terrible where they think – Yes. Do you watch that? I've seen that.

Oh, my gosh. You and I are going to nerd out right now. We have our next hour. Oh, my gosh. So I go from like, oh, my God, it was him to, oh, my God, it wasn't him. Oh, my God, it was him. Oh, my God, it wasn't him. It had me so drawn in i was so

fascinated by it and again but the whole thing that fascinates me is that someone that someone could be so mean right like cutting someone's ear off when they're literally going to the gas chambers and like laughing at it or like just doing the most horrific things to people and being okay with it. I just absolutely boggles my mind. It's ironic too. And I'm not comparing the two at all, but like you have to see some ugly shit doing what you do. Cause you're in danger too when you're in there.

And so you have to be, I would say this about people like you. I would say this of course, about like people in the military on a whole nother level. No disrespect. It just is, right? And other jobs that require even life and death scenarios, stuff like that. You guys have to remove yourself from the emotion of what you're seeing right there.

Now take that type of stuff where at least it's like, especially in what you you do it's a common bond over something you know you're going in there to compete right and take it to someone just getting joy out of inflicting pain long enough to get the joy out of it before maybe they actually kill the person yep that is Yep. That is that's like I Want to say this there there are Rare people it takes rare people to be able to have the courage to do something like what you do What those people did those were normal people who just wanted to do evil shit Yep And they they weren't in all likelihood most of them weren't born that way and they probably spent a lot of their lives not being that way but they were it started with

one thing right started with with getting used to one thing i think you just pointed this out but i want to build on this like suddenly someone repeats something over and over again in this case let's just say it was hitler right you believe it then he builds on that and he repeats another thing over and over again oh yeah sounds about right oh yeah wow um yeah i like how that guy talks right then he says another thing another thing and eventually you lose who you are this is this is a whole different ball game like when these people are doing that they're not in there doing a job. They're not focused like, oh, we're doing this. They're like, no, we are, what's the word?

Ethnically cleansing the world. Like what? It's crazy. It's crazy to think about. But that is, they believed it. And so many just went along with it. It's just so fascinating to me. It like, oh, it's just crazy.

But I just watched the World War II in Color on Netflix. Oh, the new one? And I don't know if it was the new one. It was like the Road to Victory one. They came out with some years ago and we watched all those but then apparently there is a new one too so that's why i was asking yeah but uh i'm like a big winston churchill fan i think he's so badass like always a cigar always has a cigar always with the whiskey um but like when his quote is we shall never surrender i'm like he said it and the thing

i'm like we're watching it with my boyfriend like wait wait she's gonna say it and, he said it in the thing. I'm like, we're watching it with my boyfriend. I'm like, wait, wait, she's going to say it. And then he says it. I'm like, yes. We shall never surrender. Woo! We will fight. Yes. We will fight at our door. You ever see him in Inglourious Bastards when they had him just on the side?

So I only watched half of that movie. Oh, my God. Yeah, I know. I know. You're a fan of World War II. You've only watched half that movie? I know. I don't know why I never went back to it. Oh, my know. I know. You're a fan of World War II. You've only watched half that movie. I know. I don't know why I never went back to it.

Oh, my God. Yeah. Whew. Yeah, when you get out of here, you need to go home and do that. So my problem is I'm not a huge movie person. I love documentaries, but movies for me, I'm like, I'll take them or leave them. Right. I know people are like die

hard about movies like so excited when a new movie's coming out i'm just like yeah there's some good movies i'm a big vince vaughn fan i love vince vaughn i love him so much his humor is the greatest humor um and you know how many people like love will ferrell but like i could take him or leave him like i think he's good in some things and then other things are just like uh you're not that you're not certain things are cup of tea yeah um but vince vaughn i'm always a fan of he's the smoothest talk and funny guy like he's just like smartest yeah when he gets on a roll like it's real yeah that's what it is like you see like i love will ferrell there's a lot that you know and it and it's amazing that he pulls it off and convinces you,

but it's like, all right, that doesn't really happen. That's exaggerated. There's not some guy like, Gators, bitches, only wear jimmies. That's not happening. There's not somebody, well, there probably is someone streaking through a quad somewhere, but there's just certain things where it's like,

okay, that's over the top. Vince Vaughn is like, he's the every man in his roles. It's like, no, there's really, I know a guy like that. Yep, like a smart aleck. Yeah. God damn, I haven't watched Wedding Crashers in a while. Oh, that's such a classic. Holy shit.

And then I love Four Christmases when he's in that one. Yep, that's another good one. And then the scene where they're reenacting the birth of Jesus. And she's freezing, and he takes over the role and was like, Woman, swaddle this child. I shall swaddle this child. He's something. Yeah, he's great.

Now I'm going to have to go back and watch some of those movies. What was the one with Jennifer Aniston, The Breakup? That was another good one. He's just funny. He's just naturally, he's got good charisma. Yeah, the mannerisms and everything. He's got it down.

But yeah, how did Vince Vaughn come up again? Oh, yeah, you were saying you don't like movies that much, but you like Vince Vaughn. Oh, yeah, I love Vince Vaughn movies. But you don't watch a lot of World War II movies?

No, not really. You gotta do that i know i should dive into the world war ii movies but what's your favorite um part of like world war ii it's interesting that you brought up the buff i i don't know it's kind of weird when we talk about it like favorite parts because it was wild shit you know the world was ending right but as far as the appreciation i get out of learning some things i i do make sure periodically i go back and study the holocaust because that is just it it reminds me that people are capable of that. They can get to that point we just talked about.

And I hope I did an okay job trying to express that a few minutes ago. It's just so foreign to me to understand that and how there just are some people out there who can't think this way and they're just sick sick whatever you know but a person is a person that's how you that's how you see them and then let their actions define who they are as an individual you know i i just don't the concept of taking a group of people i guess like a race of people in this case the the jewish people and just being like yeah you know everything's your fault which was one of the worst arguments i've ever seen but he made people believe it and we're gonna get rid of you that is absurd doesn't even begin to describe it and so when you see how like and you mentioned this too how quickly this all happened that was what i

studied this year i went down the rabbit hole in like may and june on this i never studied closely hitler's rise and like have you ever have you looked at that a little bit nothing like crazy in depth but it's just insane i went to the holocaust museum in dc oh really how's that it was pretty neat pretty neat i mean like me in the sense of like how crazy yes it all is um because it just gives you a lot of people's stories and they have like the the size of like the train they have like the actual like i mean i don't know if it's an actual one from that time period but they have like the cattle cars that people were put into like just so you could walk through it just to see how how it was like small in there and how they like filled so many

people in each one um then they have the pile of shoes that they have that they found from one of the camps. It's just crazy. Yeah, I need to go visit that. Yeah, it was very cool. I would really like to go visit Auschwitz, though. Oh, yeah, me too. I would actually go over there and do that.

I think that that'll be very difficult to do. I hear that from everyone who goes there, like this is some, you know, crazy things to be in the presence of, but it's just, it's, it's an important thing because we do the whole concept of like, never forget people forget. Oh, 100%. They forget. And I think there's one thing you have to give a lot of the Jewish people around the world is they have passed down in the generations to make sure that it's not their fault if people forget. They're doing everything they can. And that's important.

And it's not just it's it's about everyone you know you could pick out as an evil person you could pick out any group of people and try to do something like it seems crazy it i i i get that you know like it sounds crazy saying it but this guy i'll give you some of the stuff i looked at because I'm sure you'd love it, but this guy basically shifted belief in, call it six years. Do you ever wonder if you would be one of the people that would follow along with that? Do you ever question it? Could I be one of those people that just like went along with it it's insane because i'm probably i'm sure a lot of people don't think they would and they probably

would have most of us statistically statistically most of us would have and then are you one of the people that believe that hitler was escaped do you think you escaped to argentina right now i am as close to 100 that he did yeah as possible i saw this thing and said like he uh he had a body double yes um he had a couple and then it was like apparently his body was like burned or something there's no body yeah i saw like a ton of different things i'm like like, oh, this guy definitely escaped. There was a – there were remains that were uncovered, skeletons by the Soviets. Not a great source. They kept it in Russia.

And then in 2008, I forget how it went down, U.S. scientists were given access to it to check the skull. And they found out that this was a 35 year old woman and it wasn't eva brown either his i guess new wife at that point hitler's wife and then it was like real quiet putin was like okay get out like no one talked about it but i did hear and this is like a huge this is another like huge hearsay like it doesn't mean anything for me to say this but i'll just say this because you and i are talking but somebody who is was involved in some stuff that had to do with tracking down some nazis and successfully did toll and yeah i'll leave it there i don't want to give some stuff away here like if people could somehow find out

who this person is i don't think they could but they told me 100 percent zero percent chance he didn't get there and here here's the thing. The rat lines were real. Theurry out generally coming down through italy and then getting on boats to be able to go to south america and they had curried or whatever the term is influence there they had bought all these guys off fucking 15 years before you know they weren't so aryan when they were talking all the latino countries that they knew could help them out in the future which is like total hypocrisy so it goes to show you they don't stand for anything not that you'd assume that but evil people never never stand for shit is the point and they got there i mean have you ever watched like the eichmann stuff adolf eichmann he's the guy that the massad captured in south america in 1960 i want to

say it sounds familiar, but yeah. Another one that was just made into a movie on Netflix. You should watch that. Yeah. But yeah, like he was the guy, one of the, some people called him the architect. I think they did call him the architect of the final solution. And so he was living open and free. This kid still lived there, but the ones that are alive.

But the Mossad had to do a clandestine operation just to get them it was not they didn't like go to the government i forget if it was like brazil or it was one of the countries argentina something like that they didn't call them up and be like yo we found eichmann we're coming in you know let's go arrest them they had to like they snuck them out of the country they got him hit him snuck him out of the country joseph mangle who's the worst doctor on record to ever exist it's just like it's comical but it's sick like he died in brazil in Brazil in 1986 lived his life free

yep no repercussions none none so yeah I think they say no body

no crime it's not always perfect that way but I think Hitler was the ultimate narcissist to ever walk

the planet the last thing a narcissist does is admit defeat yep that's what i think do you remember what do you think i think he's still alive or was alive yeah he was still alive but um do you remember when in like 2020 when everyone was like joking about us going to world war three i had a bunch of like memes show up on my like memories yep um and the one was so funny uh it's like one of those insurance commercials and it's like we know a thing or two because we've seen a thing or two but it was like japan telling um who were we going the world war three with i forget what i forget what the debacle was world war two i know it was like in the beginning of 2020 like everyone was like oh my god we're gonna go to world war three where war three with i forget what i forget what the debacle was world war two i know it was

like in the beginning of 2020 like everyone was like oh my god we're gonna go to world war three where war three is about to happen with would have been china i don't know i think it was like a middle eastern country or something huh but yeah something like that but it was like japan and it was like telling this other country not to like mess with us and it was like we know a thing or two because we've seen a thing or two but it's so terrible but it was so funny oh my god i love memes so much people can't like the world can't exist without people fighting no it's just a reality you know like groups of people i mean not like what you do i mean just like people who just decide like this country this race whatever we don't like them we're gonna fight them and i don't

i don't know it's it's a weird it's funny because it's not really like us fighting it's like the top people like the administrations are just fighting right it's not even like the actual countries like we're not like yeah i mean world war ii was totally different but like i don't have any problem with anyone in china like exactly any other citizen exactly exactly and that's that's the thing we got to focus on too i think we have that now in modern society we have that transparency it's not just like far people over there or whatever. Like we can see this shit. We can see like these people don't want to. Yeah.

I think the administration is like terrible, but like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm sure the citizens are probably pretty nice. Yeah. So how many, like,

and I, that's a point I hit all the time. I'm like, why are we not as like a global community doing more to get these people the fuck out of there? You know what I mean? Like incentivize more gettings. And I understand like, there you know what i mean like incentivize more gettings and i understand like it's hard to figure out like oh are they gonna put some spies in there

like there's got to be a way to give people a lifeline to live freely in a first world country that's not a dictatorship and then be able to also use their skills with us, our country, the UK, France, wherever. Go to South America countries. Use your skills there. I don't care where it is. Just like not there. Imagine your stress level of being a spy. I don't know how they do it.

Yeah, right? That's some intense stuff right there. It's crazy. That's why there's a lot of movies about spies. Spies are cool. I mean, the movies make spies out to be cool as shit. Right? When you watch a spy movie and then afterwards you're like, man, what a life.

What a life. They all could have been getting their Oscar award on the stage. You know what I mean? It's wild my guy jim diorio who came on this show a few times he's uh he's west point 86 he's an army ranger and then he was 25 years fbi and i think 11 of them he was undercover damn on different things and like you know that's that's spy shit and like you have to he actually i can't say on the undercover stuff. I'm not allowed to say but he had to do some wild shit right he had to could not just literally change who he is but

Change a lot of things and then live among Some of the most dangerous people in the world That shit is crazy to me. Crazy. So badass badass that's another level of badass every like you ever seen a movie that departed uh no again not a movie person god damn it it's a scene in it leo is basically undercover in that movie and there's a scene in there where he's like you're sitting there next to a mass murderer and your heart rate is jacked but your hand is like this and every time like it's funny watching it because he's like kind of histrionic but that's got to be what it's like at all times if you're a spy it's like top level acting yeah that's like real acting i think i would just if i had to do

it would just go into it and say i I'm dead. It's already happened. This is all, I'm living on borrowed time. And then maybe I can mentally convince myself that like, to be okay. Because I just assume this is all a joke anyway. Yeah. You know. But like, think about. Or being like a double agent.

Even crazier. Yeah, that's like. That's like being an agent to the next level who was a good not good but like who was a famous double agent i'm blanking right now there's been a few like movie wise not movie just like people in history there's been a few that we know of there was this cool story i heard about world war ii it's not an agent but they got a the body of someone got of i think it was like a i don't even know i think it was like an american but they got like the uniform and stuff of like a german and they like dressed

them all up and had like or a british guy actually so they dressed him up in like the british uniform and everything gave him like all these false papers and the whole nine and put like fake like information in there so that when they found the body when the germans found the body they all they assumed that that was like legit papers a legit plan that britain had and they tricked them oh shit yeah so they just got this random dead body gave him all the the like the id they like made him like a general or something and they like planted his body somewhere so that the germans would find it i do this story was so cool i was like wow and like how they had to they had to find someone who was alive that looked like their dead guy to take a picture of him for like his like

identification and who was the dead guy again uh it was just like some some random yeah some random guy that they they got yeah i don't know a random dad guy that's i think about that not just like with spies but like with everything you can think there's a motivation of something be like aha i got it and then it's like well what if it's just to make me think this now because the other thing's true but then that's true because they could be trying to make the first thing but then the second and it's like yep you can go deep with that you could do that on everything you know so like you love conspiracies and everything but do you i think you said like i'm open to everything i am too but do you have like a do you keep like a bullshit meter yeah to an extent um but like i think realistically now i'm just like with everything that's going on

i'm just like i i could see a lot of things happening that i couldn't see before so i think they want to drive us nuts yeah maybe i really do like i i think the media's lost all trust but they'd already lost all trust you know and so it's like they stopped people from looking at the lab leak by labeling it racist to look at it at the beginning they knew that's what it was and then eventually when it was time to be like oh yeah by the way that's what it was it's then to make people think well maybe this one's not true now it's like a constant you move from chaos to chaos to chaos and that's how they keep that's how they keep people clicking the 90 second clips on social media which is where

they make all their money now yeah so like i guess it's a matter of uh do you think that the media is someone's pushing a narrative or do you think the media is pushing certain narratives to get more clicks do you think there's like a certain direction that there's like some like mysterious entity pushing a narrative or do you think that it's just because the media is using this as more just like a clickbait they're making money off of it the fast stories are constantly going and they're just trying to keep up with the i guess try like the online traffic of just like what do you think i don't know i go back and forth all the time i think it's both yeah i think it's i think you just made the case for it yourself like they make money by making you click right so there's an aspect of that but then

there's clear narratives too. Yeah. And who... Did you ever see those videos where they're just like repeating? It's like different news stations repeating the same exact line. Isn't that freaky? It's so weird. It's so weird. Yeah. Like there's language.

There's words matter. Repetition of words is where propaganda happens. And propaganda is a loaded word. I don't want to use it for everything. I'm just using it as like a symbol here. But like they keep – here's an example. are now using the word i'm seeing it more and more i look for it i use the find thing on when i click random articles just to like see where it is and i see it from all these outlets that are so heavily pushing the vaccine like my theory there is they want a oh sorry there's a fruit flying there's like a couple of them i got most of them out There was like a whole mess the other day. I was killing all of them with a towel. But they – I think they want a portion of the population to get it and then they want a portion of the population not to get it because that's how they get people fighting each other. Distractions. Right. Exactly.

And so I'm like, okay, if that's what this is and they're just making this a distraction, they're making people like not trust this thing and thinking it's going to kill them how are they doing it well one of the things that they have normalized the pro vaccine media has normalized is the word jab i'm seeing and they weren't doing that six months ago now i go to articles they say if you got the first jab or the third jab what is the just take the word jab for remove the vaccine when you hear jab it sounds like it has like a negative connotation with it so think about it in fighting terms i know jab is a jab right you're you're yep you're like kind of giving me a little bump. Now they just stick it in there, in their message, and the person who's reading it who maybe isn't questioning yet but is going to keep seeing it. And they don't know they're doing it, but they keep seeing it. And they're like, this fucking jab, man.

This jab. Now I'm seeing people in group texts all over the place on both sides of the aisle here as far as like people who are vaccinated unvaccinated who i know who talk about this shit all the goddamn time i'm like oh god all right whatever but like i see them all using it no matter who they are and i'm like that's how they do it yep they just make sure they repeat that like they say they repeat words they repeat misinformation that became a word they repeat like they did a brilliant job i have to give it to them like branding trump on the back end of the whole like big lie thing that then they were able to use that for a lot of different scenarios where even with trump brings a lot of shit on himself there were even some things where it's like well that's not fair but they branded

him that way look at the front end of it though trump was the best brander i've ever seen in my life i mean you heard crooked hillary holy shit yep Lock her up. Like, it was, and it was fun. It was actually funny too. But, you know, that's not what we should be looking for in like a presidential race. But like, it's effective. Mm-hmm. You know, what was it? Lion Ted?

Yep. Ted Cruz was dead. Yep. He was dead when he did that. These words, like, action, reaction, action, reaction, action, reaction, over over and over again and they use it in singular words repeated that's where it's like when you bring this up and talk about like well which one is it that's where i'm like it's both because those words are also they're coming from somewhere and what does that mean That's someone who has money.

Don't know who it is. I could speculate. But like there's people in groups that have money and they influence. Yep. I mean what do you think about – I don't know how much politics you paid attention to growing up. I know I didn't pay attention much at all. But, like, do you ever think about politicians today versus what you thought they were like maybe even a decade ago? Yeah, so I didn't start paying attention until, like, 2016 when I could vote. And to be honest, my parents didn't pay attention that much until 2016 when it was so crazy,

right? It was such a crazy time. And yeah, so it's, it's weird that politicians now have a platform like social media to just be able to say whatever they want. Right. And then they get put on blast or they get like accepted and everyone's

like yeah like whoa that's 100 right where versus 10 years ago which this is another thing i noticed too i feel like from maybe like 2000 and on i feel like no one really paid attention that much to politics like not like today everyone is so involved in politics today everyone has an opinion about something today where like if you went back in like the early 2000s i feel like it was like way less intense no one really talked about politics right it was even like disrespectful to ask who you voted for like i remember being a kid and no one said that in here i'm glad you just said that yeah i remember being a kid and... No one said that in here. I'm glad you just said that. Yeah, I remember being a kid and I, like, didn't know. And I was just like, oh, who'd you vote for?

And they were like, my family was like, you should never ask anyone that. And I'm like, why? And they're like, that's something you keep to yourself. I was like, oh, okay. But that was, like, never... Yeah, that was, like, never a thing. Now it's literally, like, I voted for this person a thing now it's literally like i voted for this person now you you're telling people who you voted for you want people to know who you voted for

reverse it back then you were like so i feel like that blindness of like maybe 2000s to 2016 2000 2016 no one really cared about politics is why we are where we are now. Right? In this like intense time where now it's just like everything is like a shit show. Yeah. Where prior no one was paying attention. Everyone was just living their lives, doing their thing. Now everything's political. Well, everything also happened in the 2000s that set it into play. Everything that could go wrong went wrong.

Yeah. Every single thing I mean and like your point is even highlighted by the fact George Bush won a election after invading Iraq right like imagine that today he invaded Iraq in March 2003. that election was in I believe it was in November 2004. All right. Was that it? Or was it November 2003? No, it was November 2004. Yeah, because Obama came in. Yeah, exactly. So that election was a year and a half after he invaded Iraq. We knew there weren't WMDs by the fucking summer, 2003.

Guy won an election. To say nothing of everything else. That's just because people were still at that point i remember my parents teach me that too like you don't ask people who they voted for it's a private thing right and everyone had friends who were democrats republicans people who didn't a lot of people didn't care didn't vote right which there still are right but goddamn yeah you're right the points of this is my team and i'm going to talk about it and put it out there i mean we're putting it on our profile pictures you know your your same uncle who was

telling you not to not to ask people that now has fucking facebook statuses every five minutes yep you know it's like i don't even waste my time anymore it's why should you i hope a lot of people feel like that yeah like i'm not gonna change your opinion your opinion's your your opinion you know i mean my opinion's gonna stay my opinion you're not gonna change my opinion and stuff i have very strong stances on certain things some things maybe you could sway it but what's the point of even arguing with someone at this point like yeah this is so unnecessary but people people turn to politics when things get desperate you know so like and i don't want to make the parallel here i'm just

using it psychologically but like people turn to hitler when their deutschmarks were being burned in the streets for fire right it had even recovered a little bit and then went back down the toilet because the Great Depression happened here and then then they really turned to him like oh shit yeah we should listen that guy here in the 2000s leading up to the Great Recession the wealth gap kept going like that and opening up and then the Great Recession just the people who recovered from that were rich as fuck people everyone else got fucked and college costs went way up student debt therefore went way up the the job market for three years

went in the toilet endless wars continued government kept spending people were getting left behind automation was coming in the internet was changing culture. People could see what everyone else was doing at all times. And so you have Obama come. And they allowed, I guess, the media to convince themselves that they were opposites. Yeah, their solutions were opposites. Their problems were the same. They were – Occupy Wall Street tended to be younger, call it urban liberal types. Tea Party tended to be midlife older rural conservative types right but they had the same exact complaints they were both worried about their kids having a future or even having kids to have a future and they were screaming out for help and no one listened

and then you just put a face on those two things bernie sanders became the face of the occupy donald trump became the face of the tea party and that's how you get 2016 and so when it becomes you know you then can make a god out of somebody but when it becomes the source of your hope for any shot at happiness that this person will get in and therefore my life is whoa it's changed that's when you know you've had you've arrived at desperate times even if you can't fully see it on paper and that's when you know you're also a little bit because it gets worse from there yep do you ever um so like because of we're in this age of like i feel like there's so many lies going around like there. Yep. Do you ever, so like because we're in this age of like,

I feel like there's so many lies going around. Like there's so much information that you can't even decipher it, right? Like there's information about one side. There's information about the other side. There's lies on this side. There's lies on that side. And it makes me wonder how wrong we have history, right? Because if there's this many lies here now that we're seeing how many lies

were we told about history like what's that quote there's a quote for that oh really it's like history i think it's i might butcher this but this is going to get it right as far as what it is like it's like history is written by those who are okay yeah i, yeah, I know. Yep, yep. Yeah, history is written by the victors. Yeah, I actually think that's exactly it. Yeah, so how much... Yeah, how much bullshit is actually bullshit? Well, let's go back to JFK, because we got off that. There's a good one. Like, who do you think did that?

I think it was the CIA. Yeah. Yeah, I think that's fair. I think there's also more than reasonable evidence that they had an enormous assist wink and a hustle from the mafia. And, you know, like Jack Ruby was tied into them. And some of the bosses from the Southern families like carlos marcello and santo trafficante they were literally seen in a restaurant toasting it like right as it happened like there was all kinds of there and also jfk got into office as much as i like jfk he got into office because

of the mob his dad used to work with them so i paid him off they won illinois and texas by very slim margins and then his brother became attorney general and started prosecuting all them on tv so i don't think they like that very much but pretend for a second forget that end of it and just go to the cia if history told us that the cia that. You can never trust the government. Never. But I don't even know how you can trust the government if you look at history just in general. Like, if you look over the times,

I don't know how you could just be like, yeah, I want a bigger government because they're so trustworthy. It's not trusting them. It's more, there are people who who their actions say they trust them but even they don't trust them right they just don't realize those are their actions and that shifts between the parties over time you know at the moment it's probably more like leftists don't realize their trust in the government with a lot of things but in the 2000s it was definitely the rightest you know so that's not really a party

thing that's just a human fallacy but even like those people they wouldn't in my opinion say like i inherently if you just pulled them aside i trust everyone in the government they're also i don't think they're saying that but they're willing to be like there's a lot of good there you know and like i i could still say that about certain aspects but when you actually put a label on it and say this is history this happened here's the papers here's the proof now you will let people have a boogeyman and they will run wild with it because there's no counter argument it's what it is so if if if they came out today and released all those jfk papers and unequivocally said the cia murdered the president the cia would not exist tomorrow it's over even though that was fucking 60 years ago how would you ever trust an

organization again when this is what their history is built on yeah it's like reasonable doubt there's enough reasonable doubt that people can't do anything about it yeah crazy crazy I would love to know like all the ever all the conspiracies around i just want all the answers to them i know and then uh you know what else fascinates me the vatican how they have all those documents underneath like uh wait tell me about this that uh like the vatican has like their um i don't know like archives basically and you're not allowed down there unless you ask for to see something specifically but if you don't know it exists how can you ask for it And you're not allowed down there unless you ask for, to see something specifically. But if you don't know it exists,

how can you ask for it? So you're not allowed to just browse down there. What's supposedly down there? Like, but like, well, like their history of like years upon years upon years are down there. So like,

there's like a ton of, ton of stuff probably down there that no one knows about and will never know about because you it's down there they're riding it they're holding on to it i used to live half a mile from the vatican really yeah oh you go to school yeah i study i studied abroad my junior year like i used to pass that and i never the history that's there that i thought about but i never thought about like the dark side you know like i don't know i just i wasn't like focused on that but it's it's hard to look at like that's one of the longest standing bodies right of like yes that has been like a general like for so long been around so there's got to

be bad oh yeah right gotta be a lot of bad i don't know like conspiracies give life meaning but then like think about it if you knew all the answers if you were just told one day you'd be like god damn it fuck this yeah this is just all bullshit right like there's a part of what you don't know and can't see doesn't hurt you. Some of that balance is okay. Ignorance is bliss. Yeah. Yeah. I can see that.

I don't know how much you like look at Bitcoin or anything. I don't want to go like too deep into that. Cryptocurrency. My brother's getting into that. All right. So your brother knows about it. I don't know. No, I don't.

You don't really look at it? Yeah. The one thing I'll say is that the founder of Bitcoin is this guy, Satoshi Nakamoto. No one knows who he is. If Bitcoin continues its run here and becomes this thing and becomes the store of value around the world, that is literally how people – it's their main store of value. That's earmarked. That's how people it's their store main store value that's earmarked that's how people will survive if it ever came out who he was it's over no you can't humanity could not handle the whole thing being built on you don't know who it is and now you know who it is yeah

i gotcha i wonder if it's like the same for something like if you found out that like so and so was actually a planet spy of country x and he did all these things it's like well they can't exist anymore yeah we're canceling them like imagine the internet if they just like release proof that like, I don't know. I don't know because I feel like no one cared that they released those like UFO things during the pandemic. I mean like it wasn't definitely UFOs. Good point. It was unidentified flying objects that were going like super fast. There's still doubt.

Yeah. Yeah, I guess you're right. That's the thing. Yeah. But that was interesting that they did that. I wasn't expecting that. No, I wasn't either. Are you like really into aliens?

Not like 100%, but like it does fascinate me a little bit. I'm starting to get more into it through my friend Alessi because he's like obsessed. He actually just produced what's going to be a major documentary this guy james fox who's like one of the primary ufologists in the world he did a documentary that had a lot of fanfare last year called the phenomenon he's like been on rogan he's buddies with logan paul and so they just went down and filmed another one i don't know from a lot of this i wear, but it's on like a major incident in a foreign country. And it's fucking wild when you look at it. It's cool. And it's like,

imagine if you got like, you know, there's documents for this thing. If it was true, imagine if you got the documents that said, here it is. Here's us handshaking the fucking foreign objects. Like,

you know, whatever. that's where i think people would lose their minds yeah it's also fascinating i love it do you think uh the egyptians were um i love this this is this is great that you're doing this but god the uh egyptians like were helped by the aliens like for the pyramids aliens uh yeah i don't know that's when i i would love to go back in time just to see that if you could go back in time which what would you go see if you had a time machine or if you had a time machine would you go backwards or forwards?

Wow. That's a dense question. There's two there. The first one, if I could go back, what would I see? You know, I'd want to see if that Jesus Christ character walked on water. I'd probably be like, alright, dude.

You make that shit wine. Let go chop chop i want to see if this is real that'd be pretty cool if jesus was like like did all that because he was a historic he did exist right but like if he like did some miracles in front of me and i was not like stoned and it was real i'd be like yo i'm a big jesus guy now come back number one fan i'm number one fan of jesus yeah that would be cool i guess that would probably be my pick that's so wild that's cool what about you um i'd probably like to see the egyptians or um dinosaurs oh dinosaurs is a good one yeah cuz dude imagine that ocean how scary like the oceans already scary place imagine it back then how scary it was ain't catching me in the ocean yeah no no that's not I want I want to see what I fight the whole like when you see the

videos like people like swimming around a shark I'm like nope been there done that like a megalodon no nope crazy nope just you know no well then that's another that's another conspiracy that dinosaurs never existed is that a conspiracy yep is that like the same people that do flat earth um i actually don't know no dinosaurs brought to you by the flat earth community yeah i don't know there No dinosaurs brought to you by the Flat Earth community. Yeah, I don't know. There were definitely, you ever seen a fucking alligator? Yeah. Yeah, there were dinosaurs. Yeah.

Alright, that's a dinosaur. That's a good argument. Yeah. You ever seen, like, the pictures of those weird fucking fish that do, those are dinosaurs. Yeah. Right? I mean, we didn't even discover half of, like, what's down there in the ocean. Yeah, hippos offshoots of dinosaurs hippos

are badass they're badass very badass they're bad and they have like four teeth yep my um my brother that's probably not true but they look like a 14 my brother uh when he would fight well i mean he'd be still kind of refer to him but he was like younger and um they started calling him the baby hippo because he was like he was like chubbier and he moved so quickly that that that's what we nicknamed him the baby hippo and then when he had um his first time in may fight we made this like hippo with like gloves and stuff and it says like evan levy baby hippo well there was a game with that too right yeah that's it, that's it. That's it.

I think I saw this in Narcos, but I think it was in Narcos. But my Narcos fans out there, check me if it wasn't. Pablo Escobar had hippos and he would feed his enemies to them if put like if they were really bad and like you had to i think he if i remember correctly like you had to rile them up or something to actually get them because like they wouldn't eat you they just maul you and then toss you aside but yeah that was some some wild shit uh do you like serial killers do you like any of that stuff yeah i'm very curious about true crime stuff i'm not one of the i'm'm not like all the OG women out there who apparently all love true crime and sit there and listen to like

every single case inside and out. I'm not there, but like, yeah, I was in for like Abby Petito. I was in for that, like that kind of stuff. Yeah, it's fascinating, right? Same reason it's fascinating. Because you like can't imagine yes yeah like we were talking about with nazis in germany like how do you get there dude there was like a serial killer in philly that like no one talked about who i don't know his name

but like they found like all these women like cut up in like suitcases in philly yeah and like the summer i don't know if it was the summer of 2020, summer of 2019. Did they catch the guy? Yeah, I think so. So I only know this because they found one of the suitcases near where my boyfriend lives in Philly. That's reassuring. Yeah. And I told my mom to get her all riled up.

I don't think this guy would have a shot against you, but you know, he might've been caught earlier. That's nuts. So that was in Philly. How many did he do? Uh, I actually don't know. I think they found a couple,

uh, like three, four, I'm not, I never looked deep into the story. I just remember hearing about the story and like being like, okay, why isn't anyone really like nervous about this damn yeah wow i totally missed that one yep so you're really into that stuff i mean i do like

listening to it because again it just fascinates me like i would love to just like understand the mind of a serial killer right so like i listen to crime junkie which is like a podcast yeah it's a big one yeah which like a couple of them are really like insane intense um but it's just crazy to me how they're all this information and they can't figure stuff out and i don't know it's just wild yeah like the zodiac like you always think of that one because they the ones they don't catch when they're alive they think they caught them right now they think they caught them but you have to be careful when someone's dead i'm still looking at that to see like it seems pretty legit

but people try to take credit for things you know they're they're weird like that but yeah like they these guys they have a they were obviously all having in common that they came from just fucking weird environments in some way but not all of them a lot of them though and then it's like they're the ultimate example to me i think about the psychology a lot of like the cop needs the criminal and the criminal needs the cop. It's like they passively are like this is my role. My role is to give these other people who have to try to catch me meaning. And then they do all this sick stuff to play that role. And I'm just like – and there's other things obviously go into

it but i'm like how do you like get that like how do you just do that like in a free society not during i mean anytime but like especially like living in america or something during good years you know like what like what do Like, what are you doing? Remember the guys who were terrorizing DC? The snipers? Yes, they do. Like, what the fuck? Yeah.

What was the point? Yeah, you don't have something else better to do. That's what I'm saying. Like, what the fuck was... Like, how does that happen? Yeah. Yeah. You didn't accomplish anything no you just pissed everyone off you you you took away people from their families yeah yeah people enjoy chaos yeah creating chaos yeah it must be like a like a drug to them like Yeah. You get a high off of it. Because I know I like to fight because I get a high off of the nervousness.

And it's just a feeling you can't reciprocate anywhere else. What's it like? What is, if you had to put it in words? It's like the anxiety and the nervousness. And when the cage locks into you and locks locks you into like a cross from a person that wants to hurt you it's just a very intense circumstances and then afterwards the like dopamine hit you could lose and the dopamine hit you get afterwards you're just like fuck yeah i did that because you did it yeah yeah you literally and not to be participation trophy but it's like that's the ultimate.

Like you do win something for participating. Yeah. It's the barrier to entry so high. Yep. Holy shit. So it's just another level of a drug, I guess. Is there any piece of – so I feel like everyone gives a different answer on this in some way. Like it's very personal, but is there any piece of like like there's a word i want to put in front of this but like

the rush of fear too like is there a piece that you're like oh you're kind of afraid too because like what if what if you're like sick to your stomach i'm like sick to my stomach before like but i mean like when the cage closes is that still there or does it go totally in the game mode like it doesn't go in the game mode for me until um they say fight then i just it all like closes out so i'll be like i'll still be like nervous standing there getting ready standing across from from my opponent and everything. And then when they say fight, it's just like game mode. And then that first you guys run right at each other,

you close speed within like a second. It's like right away. Is that slow motion? So one of my MMA fights was actually funny because my second mma fight they say fight i go out there and she just lands a jab perfectly on my forehead and i was like oh fuck i'm in a fight like i like needed that i needed that because it just like woke me up um so yeah so like my last fight um we were exchanging, like, great. I was actually winning.

So they have, like, these chips in your gloves that count the punches that land. Yeah, for the data. Stuff like that. Yeah, exactly. And they count kicks and, you know, takedowns and everything. So I'm, like, winning the exchanges in my fight, and I was feeling great because I'm not even a striker. But the first round, I wanted to strike because I have, like, a lack of experience compared to most people who are professionals because i only had two amateur fights then one pro where a lot of girls will have like multiple amateur fights and then multiple pro fights before

they get to an organization where i'm at got it you know like they'll fight for like a more regional promotion where like the pfl is more of like a worldwide organization like they have like fighters from brazil from australia from new zealand everywhere um so i kind of just went right to the big leagues so i was like okay i'm gonna i'm gonna stand up and this is when by the way i think you may have said that way august this is this year. Yeah. Yeah. 2021 August. And just to be curious, when was the decision that you were going to make that move made? November of 2020. Okay.

So you had some time, but still. That's pretty quick. Yeah. Okay. So when I went into that first round, I'm like, okay, I i'm gonna stand up and strike a little bit just so i get my feet wet so i have some experience um and she caught me with a good punch she caught me with right like the perfect spot where it turned my legs off like i was still aware mentally that i was in a fight completely there but my legs stopped working i'm like oh fuck my legs where

are my legs and eventually i was able to grab her take her down and then she was in my world but that was like my plan was like at least stand up for one round right like just to get your feet wet just to know what it's like to be in a fight i mean again i did a boxing match before kickboxing match before so i know what it's like to get punched it's just different with four ounce gloves compared to 16 ounce gloves um how fast are you processing though because i guess mma is where it's the whole different beast of like their their legs are weapons now so you have to look out at all times like i can't imagine this coming from boxing i trained a little in kickboxing never for like defense or anything like that the idea that like

it's one of four my eyes gotta be somewhere at all times they can hit that fast so like how are you when you go in there how are you preparing yourself for like all right this is obviously i know if this person's strength is more striking versus like kicking you know those things but how are you like at all times hey they're not gonna be able to hit me with a sucker shot you don't you don't yeah everyone's got like that i think they call it like the the puncher's chance you know you have a one punch right and you can call it a lucky punch but i don't really refer to as lucky punch because if you're throwing a punch you're throwing a punch right like yeah is it really lucky if your intent is to throw the punch and it lands i don't know but um yeah so it's just a matter of

my mindset going into a fight is i want to prepare as much as possible so that when I go into the fight, I know that I could not have prepared anymore. So going into my last fight, I said, whatever's going to happen is going to happen because I know that I cannot be more prepared for this moment than I am now. I've done everything right. There was nothing I did wrong. I ate clean. I did my strength and conditioning to the best of my ability i practiced everything to the best of my ability there's nothing more i could have done how long was your camp ahead of the fight um like nine weeks that's lengthy yeah so um i was in the best shape of my life i knew i couldn't couldn't have been in any better shape i knew i was ready

for i could have probably went more rounds if it if it if it like was more rounds um my heart rate was like ridiculous my heart rate was like 40 going into that fight like just my resting heart rate was like 40 i forget the numbers on heart rates yeah so like i think like um if you're like in good shape it it's like, like a normal person, I think it's like in the 60s, 70s range, sometimes 80s range. Oh, so you were. Yeah. Like I was like, my heart rate, my heart was conditioned.

Like I was in good freaking shape. Yeah. Um, to the point where when I got my like physical, he was like, you're a runner, aren't you? I'm like, nope, not really. And he's like, man, your heart rate's so low. and then i got like an ekg and the girl did it twice and she was like uh i've only had two other people in here who had a heart rate that low and both of them did ironmans i'm like look at me so you were trained yeah yeah i was ready so then and that's huge oh it is preparation and confidence

you go in there with preparation that's it and it's cool i was working with a mindset coach this time around oh wow so that was a big game changer too for me was this a sports psychologist or was this yeah kind of um i don't think he's like actually like a trained psychologist that's what i was asking he was um a wrestler his whole life and it's called wrestling mindset um it's like a whole i think it's i'm pretty sure it's a company but um they're what it's called it's called wrestling mindset and they teach you how to think so like just say you know you want to stay in the lanes of like what you're thinking so you don't want to go outside of what the lane so you create these lines in your head.

Like, okay, I'm going to think this way. If my thoughts start to go into a negative direction, I bring it back to the center lane. So I want to keep my thoughts in a positive manner. I don't want to go outside of the lines that I draw. I don't want to start thinking, like, what if this happens? What if that happens? Those scenarios. You seem like a really positive person in general, though.

Yeah, for the most part. But, I mean, don't get me wrong. There's times where, especially when you're, like, in a fight camp and you're just tired from training all the time, it gets so repetition, especially, like, when you're in it for eight weeks, eight, nine weeks, right?

You're in this fight camp. You're in this mood. Your friends are out having fun. You're missing out on what you feel like you're missing out on stuff, right? You can't eat the bad food. And mentally it gets like exhausting just having to deal with it. And like people will be like, I'll have this. Or my favorite is when i go it won't hurt

you to have a little bit and you're just like fuck you it will yeah you're like you don't understand right like you don't get it like people just don't get it it's once you're in like that mindset of i have to do this like i can't i can't have a little bit of this because i'll just go off the route right i'm one of those people i'm on like i'm just learning to balance everything out but i used to be like extremes either i'm i'm full on eating healthy working out like a mad mad woman or i'm eating like shit and i'm slacking and now that's really not an option so now it's not an option anymore so i'm i'm way better at balancing out everything but especially when you're weight cutting and it doesn't get talked about a lot is when you get jujitsu and wrestling athletes or even mma um and you weight cut and then you get

off that weight cut and it's almost like this like primal instinct takes over that you just see food and you're just like you gotta like have it it's insane so like learning to balance back to like eating semi-normal is so hard to i think it's what they call it reverse dieting right so i think so yeah so like you're eating clean and then you don't want to just go and eat shit so you have to like gradually work yourself back to eating like some unhealthy food you have to reteach it's like anything else you have to reteach the body into what's the scientific term i'm not a scientist as you can tell into the i forget it but i'm going to use a different word, into like you're used to normal, right? Exactly. And it's so hard because you'll have like one bad thing

and you're just like, give me all of it. I want all of it. I want all the cake. I want all the ice cream. I want this. And to the point where like when you're in a weight cut, you're like starting to think like, okay, when I'm done, I'm going to have this.

I'm going to have this. I'm going to eat this. I'm going to eat that. And'm going to have this. I'm going to eat this. I'm going to eat that. And in reality, it just kills you. It just messes your body up. So luckily, with the PFL, fighting at 155, I just maintain 155, 160. Anyway, that's what I walk around at. So I don't have to do that extremes anymore.

I used to fight at 145, but the PFL called and they said, 155, would you take it? You want to be on this? I'm like, hell yeah. One great promotion, they pay awesome, and then you're fighting for a million dollars still. So it's like a no-brainer. But a lot of the girls that I'm fighting are coming down from 180, 170,

and fighting at 155. Now, when you were going to 145 for other stuff, how many days slash hours, if you want to get exact, was that cut? And what would that consist of? So 145 was easy for me to get to. It was just a matter of really restricting calories and then more cardio. And water intake technically. Yeah.

Well, yeah. So like water intake, I've always had a huge water intake. So that never like was like a big factor for me unless it was like the last week of the cut. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. The last week of the cut that's what i'm saying yeah the last week of the cut you water load so you do like two gallons a gallon and a half a gallon half gallon water bottle done like that the day 24 hours before you look way and you're not drinking anything yes you're not eating anything you're not drinking anything that's very similar like boxing and wrestling

what i've seen yeah it's like it's the same idea you're doing the same thing and um i did 135 before and that was just like too much my body wouldn't even naturally and i i prepared for um 135 like months not even like weeks not even like eight weeks it was like three four months i did the weight cut and my body just wouldn't break 148 like i could not get my body to go lower than 148 and um then i'd had to do like 10 pounds of water the night before and i will never ever do that again it was brutal terrible it's brutal terrible um you're running with a sauna suit on you're like doing these Epsom salt baths that are like extreme heat. So uncomfortable. And then you're wrapping yourself up after.

So a lot of people don't know this. So after you do an Epsom salt bath, you have people wrap you up in towels like a mummy. And you just sit there and you continue to sweat. So it's a way of keeping the body heat in to keep you sweating without the extremeness of having to sit in the bath longer. It's so bad for you. Oh, it's terrible. It's horrible. And you're also talking about, and anyone who's in a fighting position have to make weight regardless of sport.

You're talking about the extremes coming in the final 48, 24 to 48 hours leading up to the fight. Yeah. 24 to 72, whatever you want to say this is like then you got to go in and do it and your body's like supposed to be recovered from that and it's like hypocritical too in a way it's not it's not but it's it's it's hypocritical too in a way because we all know you weigh in at whatever and then you fight fucking 12 pounds over that you know because your body then takes in whatever the fuck you actually then eat at the end of this starving session it's a it's a crazy thing that

that's still like that i get the weight class part of it i think like i want it in the middle again like i don't want you fighting i don't want gabby to be in in your division again very cool you beat her but like what if what if you were fighting her in MMA and like she hit you with a punch you know that's like you got a problem if that happens but I also think like sometimes we get so strict with okay well is this the 147 pound division or 155 that it's like in that negligible-ish territory where, all right, do you really need people to fake cutting weight for five o'clock on a Friday before they're eight o'clock on a Saturday fight? Or should we say like, okay, you're in this range, like you're good.

Yeah, I know. And it's just like never going to end until, I don't know. I don't know if they need more weight classes. Like, I don't know i don't know if they need more weight classes like i don't know it's like one championships another organization they do like uh they do hydration tests on you to make sure you're nice uh it's called one championship so they fight over in asia is this another mma promotion yeah okay um so they do hydration tests to make sure that you're not cutting they want you fighting as naturally like at your natural weight i like that so yeah like as close to your natural weight as possible so they do hydration tests um so i don't know if that's the way to go for like the ufc which i doubt they'll ever do um but that also makes people pick their fights too like the people who are just gonna do it like oh i can do crazy weight in the last week they're not gonna take that fight it's gonna make people

have to be more selective and it makes it healthier it's just like that's so old school that's so i'm so glad i don't i don't have to do yeah you're like i'm so happy like so i'm happier it makes your your fight camp easier too because you're not worried about the weight like i was never worried about my weight i the the night before weigh-ins i had my meal and two water bottles and stepped on the scale to make sure that if i ate and drank everything that i would still be on weight the next morning and i'm watching all these girls cut weight like in sauna suits and stuff. And I'm just like about to eat the steak meal.

We're good. Steak dinner. I'm like, sweet. Went back upstairs, ate my meal. It's an advantage. So happy. It's an advantage. And weight cutting like is just such a mental,

it messes with you mentally so much. You get miserable. You're so unpleasant. And everyone's like, I hate when you're cutting weight because i'm like a freaking bear i'm ready to like attack anyone and it's the worst if someone makes a joke about me cutting weight or like says something i actually get so angry that i feel like it's so terrible you get so primal like you literally get yes like a cave person like ready to just like tear anyone up but it's it's a it's a hormone effect i mean it changes the chemicals and how they run through

your system completely yeah have you ever done like i mean i don't see why you would have needed to but like fucked around with different weird diets for like a week or two just to see if you could do it well yeah so when i go in the fight camp i will go keto for like the first two weeks just to get leaned out and then i'll slowly add carbs back in so that my energy levels stay up it's not somewhat normal yeah so like i mean i hate keto i think it's terrible and don't recommend it for really anyone i mean i know a lot of people like lose weight on it and it's great for some people but i feel like it's just so not sustainable oh it's not yeah people are like yo i'm gonna live on keto good luck with that you know it's same people and i understand like

sometimes people actually have like a serious health thing in which case that's a yeah you learn how to do it right because you have to but you know when people are like crazy crazy strict vegans and stuff it's like all right good luck sticking with that yeah it's not sustained things have to be sustainable. But I guess like what I was getting at is like I'll see different people. I haven't done much of this myself at all because I guess I'm like not curious enough. But different people will try like different starvation tactics to see if their body could last. Like I've never done that. Like people – I know people who have said like I'm going to not have any food or water for three days.

And I want to see how – I'm going to stay away from people. I i want to see i want to get in touch with myself and i'm like wow cool tell me how that goes but like i i can't even imagine what happens to your mood when you do something that severe it's a mood killer for sure but not more than just a mood killer like does your mind your mind has to tell you a lot of things that like are not healthy to tell yourself yeah probably i mean because i know i go i sometimes i'm just like so when i was cutting the 135 i was so upset that i couldn't have a slice of pizza at towards the end of it like literally going insane like actually angry that people were eating pizza at towards the end of it like literally going insane like actually angry that people were eating pizza in front of me i'm like oh my gosh it's terrible but um it's so funny

because i was eating so much steak my last fight camp and to the point where when i would go to this i went to the food store and i like got was like at the butcher counter and just like getting like the the steak and the guy was like uh are you like a bodybuilder or something i was like no i'm a fighter and it's so cool too because way cooler i always wanted to be able to say like i'm a professional fighter and then i was like oh no i'm a professional fighter i was like like, I got to say it. You hit him with the professional. I got to say it. I'm like, yes, I finally got to say this because I am this now. Good. Exactly. Yep.

That's it. It felt freaking good. There's a difference between saying pro and professional, though. Yeah. Professional is way more fun. Yeah. You get a lot more syllables out of it. Yeah.

A lot of real estate. It's like people are like, oh, she's a professional. Yep. All right, don't fuck with her. Yep. And then now when I see that guy at the counter he's like yeah you had any fights and i'm like yo i just beat this really big girl in grappling that's like i i gotta come back to that again because it's just like i know i've hit that like three times today but that's that's where it's like holy shit you look at that you that, you're like, I don't care who you are.

I don't care if you're a fight fan. I don't care if you don't even know what jiu-jitsu is. You're like, that's not supposed to happen. That's fucking cool. The amount of work that has to go into being prepared, like you talk about that preparation to do that. I was crazy too because we practiced everything I did in that match the night before. Like everything, everything. How much much did you study of her um a good amount yeah actually my boyfriend did most of it and he

actually predicted everything she was going to do wow yeah because he watched like interviews of her like talking about like how she's changing her game up how she's gonna start trying to do this and she played it right into our hand like to a tee like it was almost like i i say this analogy every time i explain this story but it was almost like we wrote a script out handed it to the director and said we're gonna act this out hand the script to gabby because she's gonna she's gonna be acting it out too and because she played everything into everything that we prepared for she did well you and her and everyone else has something in common you are there's little things in whatever you do in this case fighting where we're grappling and whatever you want to call it like where you have go-to behaviors you're not you can sit there and

study how to change yeah for sure but there's certain things they're gonna come out yeah right like if you're if if if you are traditional you're not suddenly gonna be a south pole in there like that's just not that's not how life works yeah so that well yeah so like i'm like a back taker like that's like a back taker so i i take a lot of people's backs and choke them like how i did in that match right where you got up behind her so that's like my thing like that was before she gave herself up too yeah yeah so like uh well we knew that's how to beat her we always talked about this like if people just got to her back they could beat her and i got to her back like three times in that match i wasn't able to finish the choke but her fingers were freaking strong once she got in there and i started locking up that choke i'm like it feels

like i'm hug i'm like hugging a tree or something like just like usually when you like put a choke in you can feel your arms like sink in i'm like squeezing and they're not moving i'm like oh shit yeah well i mean it goes back to the animal kingdom too if you just think about scientifically like do you ever study might sound crazy but i'll give some context do you ever study like lions hunting buffalo or giraffes things like that i mean i've seen a couple like of clips of like lions pouncing on them but when i was watching you i was watching you beat her that's where my mind went nice because that's what they do yep they go up from behind they get like especially with a giraffe which is like awkward and big and it's strong just by default it's got a weird neck

but like it's big they get up two of them get up behind and they fucking grab it like right on the neck they get a hold they just kind of keep it there and then someone else grabs a leg and you just watch this struggle happen then suddenly falls yep so i say that because like kobe basketball not even like fighting to defend alan irison he studied great white sharks hunting seals wow and like he was dead serious like it's kobe right like he was like I couldn't I was so pissed that I couldn't stop him He's like so when all my study great white sharks and like runs through the whole thing and it's it's applicable You know I is this little guy moving around fast like kind of getting to the baseline before you can see him On the great white sharks technically slower on like the turns than a seal because the seal's quick right so they got to be here before he gets to there studied sharks you know so like i i love looking at that like

even when i don't like i don't what a move i couldn't sit there talking about all the different moves you're doing but my eyes know like oh wow she's winning you know what i mean yeah then just go watch animals we know we recognize that we see that it's like oh wait a second that's the same all right i don't know what that's called but that's the same shit right there that fucking up the lion that all right i'm gonna call that fucking up the lion that's good yep it's it's like a killer be killed mentality yeah in there that's for sure yeah it's risky it's high it's high risk shit i have the utmost respect for it i wish uh everyone could just like step in the cage and just like feel that experience like even people in jiu-jitsu i just tell them to compete once

just compete one time one time do it because you'll experience every emotion possible in just eight hours i feel like it's very freeing yeah it is absolutely afterwards you have like a new appreciation and that's what the thing is too like weight cuts give you such a an appreciation for food yeah intense appreciation for food and an intense appreciation for water because when you're going into like that like 23rdrd hour of not having water and you just sweat out five, six pounds of water, your mouth is dry. You get this weird grimy taste in it. And it's like, I cannot wait to have water. I cannot freaking wait.

That I've never done. Yeah. I don't know. I don't recommend it either. Water is one thing I've just never – I've always drank a lot of water my whole life the idea that like you couldn't like when I wake up in the morning if I don't have a few sips of water

I feel like an asshole I just like chug water, wake up all the organs you have to you know what I mean it's crazy that that's a big that's like arguably the biggest piece of it, especially in the home stretch.

And you gotta not have it. And the human body is what, like 55 or 60% water or some shit like that? Yeah, some crazy amount of water, yep. Dude, I don't know how people drink soda instead of water. I don't understand it. My dad is like a soda fiend. Really?

Doesn't even drink water. And me and my sister and my brother are like, what? So waitiend really doesn't even drink water and me my sister my brother are like what so wait he doesn't have any water like never rarely that i don't get no i don't either survive i don't i don't i don't get i don't get it i understand that every liquid comes from a base of water i get that but like it's not water yeah Yeah, I know. I don't know. Excuse me, sir. Pepsi is not water. Yep. Coke is not water. Yeah, I just,

I'm like the biggest water fan. I don't even like get any soda or iced tea when I go out to eat. It's always water. The only thing I drink besides water, two things. I have coffee with water and I can go weeks. I love coffee.

I can go on demand weeks, forget to have it's i can go on demand weeks forget to have it right it's just i enjoy my favorite is like going weeks without it and then then that was me this morning so i haven't had it for weeks and then i got one this morning and i literally felt like the jitters i'm like oh yes i can accomplish so much i like you know what i like whenever i record a podcast i always have coffee in here with me just because i like like i end up not having anything near what i put in there i just like as i'm getting in the zone with somebody i get an even better feeling maybe like 45 minutes there's something about coffee and conversation yeah it's just a good combo so true but like besides that the only

other time i have something that's not water is when i'm drinking alcohol and by the way when i'm drinking alcohol i always have water too always every bar and club i've ever gone to i'm like yo can you hit me with a uh with a water bottle too that cool like i wanted both because then i also figured out in college i'm like this is how you don't have that bad of egg over. Oh, my God. That's all it is. Yeah. It's just hydration.

Man, I'll feel it for like a solid like week and a half if I drink, if I have like a bad night of drinking. Week and a half? Dude, yeah. That's a long time. I know. You know what? Because I'm training and you just feel terrible you're like a little slower oh my gosh terribly terribly terribly so um i got drunk two times last year

because i've really like stopped drinking ever since i don't know how you do like i don't know how you drink like when the fuck can you drink yeah it doesn't even really appeal to me that like ever just to review so I have this right. You're in MMA now with the PFL. You're in, there are all different tournaments called for grappling. But they're all different name tournaments. You're doing how many of those a year? A good amount.

What's a good amount? At least 10. 10. Okay. You do 10 of those. You also do, you train people in jujitsu like around the country slash world you also compete do you still compete in jujitsu matches like you did or is that pretty much all the grappling yeah that's grappling so that's just completely either way like you're and

these are different mma grappling keep it to those two things. MMA jiu-jitsu. These are different strategies. Different body needs at times. You're constantly going, like, when the fuck are you going out and partying? Yeah, not much. You lose a week. That's like losing a year for you. So I got drunk New Year's last year. And my brother's 21st birthday.

Another good night to do. Yes. It was a lonely two. And my brother's 21st birthday, good night to do yes it was really lonely too and my brother's 21st birthday i legit couldn't even function the next day i was so hungover like terribly terribly hungover and i'm like i this is why i don't do this anymore because i cannot function sometimes i feel like we talk our way into things becoming true but like when people would say you know once you get out of college those hangovers get real bad i think you start to believe that but there is a day for everyone and it's pretty quick after college where you're just like oh shit how did i do that like how did we wow oh man you know where that next day it shot the only thing that would solve it though and i was a little

crazy about this and i still would be like i'm not getting hung over that much these days but like a good workout as long as you can get through like that first 15 minutes you're not gonna be as strong as you usually are like good but once you get the sweat going you're like oh i'm getting rid of this like it's leaving and then by the time you're done you're like oh i'm getting rid of this like it's leaving and then by the time you're done you're like oh i'm gonna sleep well tonight yeah and then the next day you're okay yeah dude my body just can't do it can't can't can't at all can't afford it gotta get you like some foreign substances yeah we'll get you something illegal in there yeah good i don't know we'll figure something out but listen this was i don't even know how long we just went, but this was good.

I appreciate you being patient with me, walking through the different things you do. I wanted to make sure people who – a lot of listeners listening aren't MMA people, but I want them to understand that because I think this is – I think Gio was right. I think this is pretty wild what you're doing. Thanks. So thank you for walking through that. Thanks for having me. Of course. Of course.

We'll have to do this again. But when is your – when's the next big fight or are you still figuring that out um so the pfl doesn't have another car it doesn't have their first card till like may or june so i have a little bit of time um and then i'm trying to get like a grappling match somewhere in between that um so the pfl doesn't want me fighting usually like grappling 30 days before I have a fight. Smart. Yeah. So hopefully May or June should be my first MMA fight of the year. And then I think once I have that, I think it's just going to be the ball rolling of constant fighting every couple weeks.

Every couple weeks? Yeah. So it's a season. So you fight. Oh, I guess. But still, like, they're that quick over there? Mm-hmm. This is not like that in the UFC.

Yeah, so I'll give you an example. The champion in my division, when I fought in August, she fought in August, and then she fought in October. That's pretty quick. Yep. So it was the end of Augustust and then she fought in october so it's just like a it's a quick turnover versus the ufc where you usually have like months multiple months in between this is only like a month or two yeah the human body is not supposed to take that at all yeah so that that's another thing too like the pfl you're not allowed to throw elbows in my thing because they

don't want you getting cut bad so that in case if you get because that the elbow is like a slicer like it really slices you open um so exactly so when it when you do that you need stitches obviously and then it's just like the recovery time and everything so they don't allow elbows because you know they need you back in there exactly you're the product baby exactly let's go yep so where to where can people watch the pfl usually um they have it on espn plus okay and or and espn 2 espn plus espn 2 and then any of the other like i i don't even watch tv anymore but the high end like the higher channels and the numbers um i'm not too sure i know i definitely know it's on espPN2 and ESPN+. Those are the big boys. Yeah.

So that's good. But listen, thank you again. Yep. Thank you. This was great. We will definitely do this again. For sure. And I want to be tuned in when the season starts.

All right. And I know a bunch of my buddies are already converted. They're like, we're watching this girl. Sweet. Holy shit. Awesome. Thank you. Thank you.

Everybody else, you know what it is. Give it a thought. Get back to me. Peace.