Julian Dorey Podcast - Anthropic SCANDAL, Luigi REACTION & Flock Contacted ME | Julian Dorey • 463

Episode Date: August 15, 2026

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What's cooking everybody and welcome back to another episode of the Julian Dory podcast. I am Julian Dory. And I'm Joey Dief. Howie Dane? How you doing? You know how I like my cookies, Dief? A little raw, I guess. No, no, no.

That's a pause, but I'm going to do a bigger pause right now. I like my cookies stuffed. Oh, yeah. Huge pause. Careful. Do we have a pause button for that? No, we got something there. I could test something.

Yeah, I don't want to test anything. But at the very least, apparently that is exactly what Phoebe Gates likes because she'd be profiting off of them stuffed-ass cookies. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So if you guys watched our show a few weeks ago, we discussed the, I guess at that time, brewing story about Phoebe Gates's company that she co-founded with this other chick whose name escapes me right now, but we will have it later. Where they got quite doing a little bit of fraud. You know, now, now they claim they didn't know anything.

This company is called Fia. But we found out today maybe they knew a little something a little while ago and weren't saying anything about it. So we will cover all that. We also, you know, fresh off the press right now, Luigi Mangione has pled guilty. Joey D. I know you've been working around the clock on his legal team. Yep. Advising him over the past year or so.

And great advice you've been giving him so I hear. But what went into this decision for him to plead guilty to stalking with the intent to kill? I believe that's the exact charge. Well, it kind of was simple. A couple of gentlemen in black and white suits walked into the room. That's right. And they said, hey, this is where it's going to be. And by then, I'm already handcuffed to the radiator.

Oh, the had you on the radiator. Was it like the old buzzing one? Yeah, yeah, one of the old ones that comes off the wall, you know. Yeah, a little musty smell. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. And they put a cigarette out on me too. Where? Like on your forearm? Yeah, it's like in my show. I would, I would show it on camera, but it's like up in my shoulder.

Yeah, we probably get demonetized because it's gory and graphic. Can't show it. Can't show it. But yeah, so they said this is how it's going to go. And Louise was kind of just like, all right. Bet? Yeah. Got it. And he wrote that statement up. All right, we're going to talk about that today. I did have a chance to talk to Lauren Conlin a couple hours ago about this. obviously she's been in the courtroom cover in that case, and it's an interesting little current outcome here. There's still more to go, so we'll clear some of that up.

And then, you know, I have, there's a couple little Epstein things that we've left hanging that we've got to get to, but another bombshell dropped last night. Like, just when you think, actually, let me correct that record, of course you don't think there's an end to these files. There were three million that have been released, even with all the redactions. you're always going to be fine in some sort of new connection. But now, Dario Amadeh over at Anthropic. Well, he got caught up right at home with his wife

who's got a real interesting life story there, Joey Beef. Yeah, we're going to have to dive into that one. We're going to have to dive into that. This is one of the more... Of all of them, when you remove all of, like, the code word emails and stuff like that is obviously viscerally discussing and everything. This is one of the more like aged really, really badly email threads you'll ever see in the files. So shout out to the Wall Street Journal for uncovering all this.

And shout out to Cammy Clark. That is the name of Dario Amadei, the CEO of Anthropics' wife, for, you know, giving us this blessed story on here as we record on a Friday evening. But we'll get to that. And then what would another episode be without giving a little update on the whole flock situation? Hey guys, if you're not following me on Spotify, please hit that follow button and leave a five-star review. They're both a huge huge help. Thank you. Which, by the way, yeah.

A little inside baseball here. Somebody from Flock reached out to a good friend of mine this week. You hear about this, Joey Diff? No, I didn't. No, I didn't film me on them. Yeah, so they were upset. They were not happy with my coverage of their beloved camera company. I'm going to keep their name out of it, obviously.

I wouldn't do that to this person. But, you know, they were talking a big game, oh, man, he's got this all wrong. We're just here trying to protect and serve. And, you know, a lot of bullshit. And obviously, I have been very harsh, and I will continue to be harsh because unlike the people at flock,

I have kind of studied why the Revolutionary War was fought. And then what we did in the aftermath and creating the Constitution, which wasn't a perfect document, but it was a really fucking good one, that went through specific situations, just like this. They thought about this,

250 years ago. You know, to talk about the whole not letting a tyrannical government invade your life and do all these things that are, I would say, pretty not good,

right, Joey Deef? That's fair to say. No, I can get behind that. Not good. Not good. Comment about that. And that's the thing. I have two modes

on this show now and this is really important to say. I've kind of explained this before, but let me be really clear because this is a great example. When I'm doing my guest episodes of which we're doing

two, hour episodes every week with the way we're booking people. We're going to be moving that up to three at some point here if I can keep up with the capacity. But when I do those, it is, it requires less of me expressing opinion on things. When I do these episodes on the weekends, we happen to cover some really big stories where like the public sentiment, we're speaking a lot of what you guys are thinking. So, for example, Jeffrey Epstein raping kids, pretty. Pretty safe to say all you guys out there don't support that. So obviously we don't support that either because we have common sense and we cover it and

everyone can agree with that. Point. When we're covering things like, you know, another potential endless war in the Middle East, also pretty safe to say we got pretty good polling on our sides that many of you out there disagree with that whole thing and having more of our guys go over there to die probably for another country. So we talk about that too. I've expressed these lines in the sand before in episodes, but I'm just repeating for

clarification right here. When we're talking about people putting cameras all over the fucking country so they can watch where we take a shit and measure the micro biomes in there so they can fuck us later on a DNA test for nothing when we did. Nothing wrong just because they feel like being a fucking overlord like it's 1984. Yeah, I'm going to talk out against that end. I'm not just going to keep it to one company flock. They're the soup de jour of the moment, but there are other companies here underneath the surface there that are looking to get in and take that marketplace. And when they start to do that, as we've already seen some potential ripples in that. Oh, yeah. Yeah, we're going to be calling that out too. So, yeah, I look at things

and when I'm expressing these opinions, it's on stuff that the ball is already really there. That said, this is where it's going to come out because it is literally Joey Defe and I just reacting to the news just like all you guys do. So I want to put that out there. And yes, as I said, I've been very harsh on flock with good reason. I have very good evidence to be harsh on them. their CEO gives me the hebi-jeebies, as they say. This is a guy who, to say he can't read a room would be putting it lightly. I mean, he is, what's his name? Craig? Greg. You know what? You know, it's funny. Who cares? I don't even, yeah, I don't know. I don't give it space in the brain. Now, I did invite, after I like shredded him for like eight minutes, I did invite Greg,

I think it's Greg on the show a few weeks ago. Not to him or Greg? Is it, is it? It's ham or pan. same shit, two M's two N, who cares. But I did invite him on the show, which was like kind of a joke at the end of the bit, but it was also serious in the sense that, of course, he could come on the show. But this person who reached out to a very close friend of mine was suggesting that he come on the show. And what I will say is that if he did want to do that, can we actually get his name just to be sure. I actually, in this instance, should be very clear, like, rather than completely joking on it, because this is actually the serious part of it. What is it? It's Garrett Langley. Garret Langley. All right, so it wasn't Craig or Greg. Garrett Langley.

If, as this person who reached out to my friend suggested that he should come on the show, if he wanted to do that, I would do it. And here's how it would go. So that we'll just set the baseline right now. And to be clear, I've never talked to this guy before. I have no idea what the thought is there. Is that the baseline though? Yeah, that's just the idea that this friend of a friend reached out to to, you know, try to say that I was talking bullshit. But if I did have Garrett on the show, obviously it wouldn't be in this context of me just hosting the show and him sitting here. It would be in the guest context. A couple things would happen. Number one, I would absolutely have Tommy G. here with me. I think that would be amazing because Tommy G. is the one who was man on the ground who really

ripped this story open. He's a very close friend of mine. An amazing guy to someone who is as genuine as they come. Someone who I have witnessed over the years now, sit down or talk with people who he has serious reservations about and be nothing but respectful, fair, and kind, even when he presses them. We've talked about the Adam Smith interview he did right in this seat on Zoom when he was at the apartment last time. You know, so... The 20th. The 2026 Chevrolet Tracks is the stylish SUV for those on the move. And with the standard Chevy safety assist package, you have the backup to handle every turn with confidence.

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And I'd want to know more about what his backstory is and kind of how he got to this point, how he sees the world, and see if there were a way, not necessarily on the cameras themselves, but a way that we could find some common ground about things that need to be considered moving forward, which, to be clear, Joey Defe, in my book, yeah, that might be like, yo, you need to find a different idea here. This company ain't it. You know, I'm just being honest about that. I really don't like this.

And if we have time to get to that today, there's just much more stuff this week about the technology and the implications of how far this is stretching things they've talked about internally that have been leaked that are straight up dystopian. And like, I'm never ever going to sit here and be like, yeah, you know, I might be missing some there. You could have a point.

No point. You don't have a point. in that case. You know, it's like other people have said this on my show and then most recently Barron Coleman said this. He's like, we live in a country where the idea is, it's supposed to be, it is worse to have one innocent man in prison than is a hundred guilty men on the street. Does that make the world perfect? Does it make it nice? No, but that's how you ensure you don't get tyrannical government. You put the government to the test and I completely agree on that. Brian McMonicle back in episode 115 famously said, I believe, like the same thing.

And, you know, Brian McMonicle is one of the most legendary defense attorneys to ever live. Represent a lot of different people. But, you know, I just think that's so important. So if that conversation would happen, and I have no reason to think it would. But if it did, is this person from flock who reached out to suggest we would do it in good faith, we would do it fairly, and we wouldn't just be fucking yelling at him the whole time. I'd want to hear what he has to say. and he would absolutely get pushback.

So I want to make that clear. And guys like that, you know, in my experience, they don't like going on platforms where it's not all preconceived and they don't know exactly what they're getting, especially if they're not exactly an adept public communicator or room reader as Garrett appears to not be. But if we get to some more of that today, if we don't get to some more of that today, we will get to that next week. There's just a bunch of new information on that. but I do want to start off with actually, I almost forgot this, a little something went under the radar. Before I get to Dario Amadez wife and her parent wooing of one Jeffrey Epstein back in 2011,

remember when we talked about the Leon Black testimony, Dief? Yes. In June. Yes. So he came in, I believe he testified on a Friday the first time. We can double check that. I haven't thought about that, but I'm pretty sure it was a Friday. Leon Black, the founder of Apollo Global, which is just balls deep and Jeffrey Epstein-Pollos,

you know, he goes and testifies before Congress in a closed-door hearing in front of that committee headed by Kentucky's James Comer and refuses to answer some questions, refuses to provide NDAs as it pertained to him and women who were from his orbit and Epstein's that he had signed said NDAs with. And so he was told by the committee at the time, and we reported on this, Joey Deef and I covered this, I remember this, that he needed to return on Thursday, July 16th for now a videotape testimony. So now it should have been the first time around Joey Deaf.

Oh, yeah. Well, you know, they get these things screwed up sometime. They do. They do. They do. We'll give them some grace. But you're a big tapes guy. You like tapes.

Love the tapes. Yes. Love the tapes. You like video evidence? VHS, the whole thing. The whole thing. You're even like, you even, you still put those, like, record. I don't even know what they're called. The cassette tapes in your car. Oh, yeah. I, I, I got a cassette. Yeah. I got a cassette. Yeah. I got, I got dice hanging from the rear view. Yeah. They smell like they're from 1974 still. It's been around a while. Listen, he's an archaic individual, man of culture. I mean, that in the best possible way. But Leon Black is called back at the time. to testify July 16th on camera. Yep. Went really under the radar. That that just got pushed down the road, Joey Defe. Did you know about that?

The hearing did. It didn't happen? Yeah, didn't happen. They postponed it. Now, the story, I think I have the link of the, Oh, Deves already got it up. Well, the postponing, yes. The postponing link, can you read the timestamp on when this was posted, Joey Deaf?

Yeah, this was posted. If I had to read with my eyes, That would say July 14th, 2026, 532 p.m. A couple days before he's set to testify, to go in there. A quiet story from Politico comes out saying that it has been scheduled for September 3rd in front of the House Oversight Lawmakers. So let me go up right there, Dief. Let me just read this and I'm going to give some context. Billionaire investor Leon Black is scheduled for a September 3rd deposition in front of House.

oversight lawmakers who want to press him under oath about his ties to the late convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein. A spokesperson for House Oversight Republicans said Tuesday, attorneys for the co-founder of Apollo Global Management had confirmed his appearance date. Black's legal team will also transfer at the end of next week, so this means this would have already happened by now. Non-disclosure agreements the investor allegedly had with women tied to Epstein, the spokesperson said, which he had previously told the committee he will not discuss. So this is interesting, thief. He gives a little tit for tat there. He's giving some up that he said he wasn't going to give up. But he gets it postponed for when he's going to do it. So if we go back down,

let me just make sure I didn't miss this. So yeah, that's just Comer commenting on it. Black at a June interview said he had no knowledge of Epstein's crimes over the time frame. He paid Epstein tens of millions of dollars, though he did acknowledge he was aware of his 2008 sex crime conviction just wasn't a big deal to him. He's like, well, you know, she was 17. She didn't show ID. What are you going to do? That's, that's just what, you know, I'm just saying what he said. No, I don't agree with it. He's like, I'm going to do biz. He's like, I got to do biz. He's like, I got to do biz. He lives, like, right down the street from me. I got to do business. Sometimes the New York Times is sitting out front and I got to, I got to drop it off at his door to

say what's up. So what in Rome, right? Yep, he says, Your Honor, I'm doing business with him, not her. That's right. You know, went on East 71st Street. But anyway, so... It's a shame. A couple of things. Can you just Google this? What day of the week is September 3rd, Joe, dude? I already know what day of the week it is because it's the day before my damn birth. Uh-huh. But just for the people out there, we want to get a live fact check, just to be clear.

So this is a Thursday. And he said, okay, well, at least it's not a Friday. I want to note, this is a Thursday before Labor Day weekend. At the end, now Labor Day weekend falls a little late this year. So it's like an extension of August, the deadest news month of the year, the biggest vacation time of the year. When you look at this business back here, this is when I always look and like over the last couple of years, I'll see that like brand deals are less because they're not, that they want to do like the back-to-school stuff hard right after Labor Day or they want to do it before. in earlier August. So it's like, it's a very dead time. And now you get the long weekend. Everyone's on the road. You know, you're out there seeing your family. You're down the shore.

You're at, if you're in the Midwest, you're at the lakes or in the Ozarks or whatever the fuck, all those beautiful places are out there that I still got to go to. A lot of great stuff in the Midwest, Joey Deef. Yeah, no, definitely. Great spot. Yeah, I got to, I got to, I got to, I got to Milwaukee when I went out there with Tommy. We can go to the Ozarks. I got the plug there. I think we got to do that. Maybe in the comments, you can let me know where. you guys go on Labor Day weekend. But, you know, I need some ideas. But, you know, he's going to go testify. And then by the next week, a little news cycle's gone. That's it. A lot of tar. Get your Amantara back to school. That's right. But, you know, it's funny because this was the

other one. We talk about Fridays. We talk about deader months. July, July's, you know, it's mid-summer. People are traveling. Fourth of July, yeah. It's not like August. It's not like August. I'll give July that. July's got more relevance than August for sure in the news cycle. There's no doubt about that. Not for July 4th, but the rest of the month, like, things are operating a little closer to regular biz. Biz is going.

But in Forbes, the day after Leon Black was supposed to testify, Friday, July 17th, they posted an article at 3.28 p.m. Very late. In fact, you know why we missed this, Joey Deef? Why? Because we were going on

air. This is right when we're capable of missing something because this is a smack dub on Fridays when we usually film our weekend. You know, pure speculazione. But it says Leon Black says Epstein introduced him to Elon Musk. Again, this is from Allison Durkey at Forbes. Billionaire Leon Black claim he socialized with Jeffrey Epstein because of his many high-powered connections. Sex convictions aside. including Elon Musk, but never considered him a friend, according to a transcript release from his

interview with the House Oversight Committee. This would have been the one back in June. All right. So go down. I'm just going to read the bullet points right here. I want you to hear how loaded these are. These are the key facts listed at the top of the article. So, da-da-da, we already covered that one.

Black denied any wrongdoing or knowledge of Epstein's alleged abuse. Remember, he knows he was convicted, but he has no knowledge of his alleged abuse, including multiple allegations women have made against black in connection with Epstein telling lawmakers, quote, I was not involved with and had no knowledge of any of Epstein's heinous conduct, unquote. That was definitely not a statement written and practiced in front of his lawyer, written by, and practice in front of his lawyer, right? That's definitely how a normal human being talks, yeah, no, for sure. Yeah, for sure. The billionaire testify he met Epstein through a mutual friend in the mid-1990s. And we've talked about that in the previous episode where we covered this.

deeply where he did that sit-down interview that was later transcribed into a big article back in 2020 or whatever. There's some evidence that he met Epstein before that. It's up in the air, though. So that's what he claims now on the record. So he has this on the record. They met him in the mid-1990s and he would regularly see the financier because, quote, he enjoyed taking advantage of all the network of interesting people he knew, unquote, recounting how Epstein would regularly invite him to meet the other high-profile people in his orbit. Musk was among those that Epstein introduced Black to. He told lawmakers without elaborating.

Also, now, how do you not get him to elaborate on that? The very next words out of my mouth would be, sir, can you please elaborate on that? Like, this is not hard. So they're going to get another shot on this September 3rd before people forget about it by Tuesday. But just keep that one in mind. So he said he told lawmakers without elaborating, also saying Epstein had introduced him to Bill Gates, more on him later, and Deepak Chopra.

Black refused to characterize Epstein as his friend. You know, a guy who manages all of his estate planning, is paid, you know, tens of millions of dollars by Leon Black, whose house he goes in frequents, has breakfast at all the time, hangs out in his groups because he knows so many important people. Definitely not his friend, right? Like Joey Deep, that doesn't sound like a friend at all. That sounds like someone you hate. It's an acquaintance. It's an acquaintance. It's an acquaintance. Oh, I like how you're thinking. That's why you're a great lawyer.

So it's a formality. You're changing the context of the term to something slightly lesser. We do business together. We meet people for lunch, but he's an acquaintance, you know? We don't talk about the ball games or the wife at home. You know, I don't know this guy. You don't know him at all. I don't know.

I know about the guy he fucked over to get that biz done for us. That's right. Oh, yeah. That's right. He knows all about that. We drank to that. Oh, they drank to that. Yep. Cheers to it.

But, biz or I'm sorry, personal stuff? No, I don't know. The guy, he's not a friend of mine. He's an acquaintance. Okay. Well, Leon Black is due to now testify on video about his acquaintance. Jeffrey Epstein, according to his attorney, Joey Deef, is being referred to as his acquaintance. Oh, shit.

Oh, shit. I did it again. Oh, my God. Anyway, so we will be waiting for that with baited. breath. And I predict Joey Deef that we will do our best here to not let that get lost in the new cycle. That's what I'll contend to you. Yeah, we'll hold on to that one for sure. We'll hold on to that one. We'll make a note of that. So on our little corner of the internet, we'll do what we can, but it's going to require other people out there. Many other people to also be covering this as well.

So stay tuned on that. But the soup de jour, I think I already used that once today. My bad, I've got to come up with a better term. It's been a long week. But the story of the day is the Wall Street Journal bombshell about Dario Amadez-wise. So before I get into this fucking lady, oh my God, there's so much material here. There is so much going on with her timeline. When you look on jmail.world, which many of you out there already know this, but that is where there is a basic Gmail setup that is taking all of the government release files and making it as if you are logging into Jeffrey Epstein's Gmail.

I will say on the chain, on the email chain, the main chain between Dario Amadez's wife, Cammy Clark and Jeffrey Epstein back in March 2011, some of the times are a little weird and like don't make sense, meaning there's an email that looks like it got responded to that went out at 604 p.m. But then the response says 5.23 p.m. on the same day, which would mean that one came before. but the Wall Street Journal, I'm going to take their reporting on it when they had it on their article as far as I could tell the timing lined up with like they had it in the specific order and we're reporting it as being in that order, which would make sense. But in today's episode of you can't possibly make this shit up, but oh, that's right, yes, you can

because it's real. Cammy Clark, let me just walk you through her life a little bit. She's born in Reno, Nevada. Never been. Heard it's a nice place. Right? Joey Defe doesn't seem to sell them on that one.

No, no, it's a great spot. Great spot. Nevada rocks, dude. So, anyway, born in Reno, Nevada, when she's 20, marries a 64-year-old casino guy. As you do in the state of Nevada. As you do in the state of Nevada.

Maybe it was for love. Maybe it wasn't. I'd say so. They would divorce three years later, do with that what you will. Oh. Ends up doing something. I don't even remember what it was. It's in this Wall Street Journal article.

I'm just going off the noggin right here to where she has to declare bankruptcy in 2009, which, you know, that's not great. But it's very Nevada. Oh, 8, though. Hey, I get it. It's after 08. I get it. It's also a very Nevada thing to do. I get it.

You get a casino, you go a little bust, you get a little bankruptcy. see, you come back. Yep. And Cammy, I guess, always was relying on her youthful looks and ability to get men to like her that could then help her rise into the world. Because when I look at her backstory here, the way that she talks with people, the way that she sells the things she's working on and the circles that she gets herself into, this is one of the most prototypical, if you're looking at it 30,000 feet in the air,

one of the most prototypical charlatans you'll ever see, someone who just wants to get involved and be around money and power and then feel like they can inject their voice into those things to feel important and hopefully share instead money and power. So let's go to the article now. Let's do it. Dave, so Dari Amadeh quietly married this woman. And I want to say like 2021, he had been dating her since 2014, didn't seem to talk about the wedding. In fact, she's been pretty much scrubbed from the internet ahead of this story coming out.

When you would Google Dariyamaday wife, it would show actually a picture of him and his sister who works at the company with him. And on Wikipedia, I don't know if it's changed now today with this story, but his personal life would say he married in 2022, but not, or 2021, whatever it was, but not list her name or any details about her. Yet they had been dating for so long. and whenever, even though she doesn't have an official job at Anthropic, whenever he went around the world and was going to places, or whenever he went to give a big speech and stuff like that, she was always at his side, she was always viewed as a key advisor to him and someone who was like whispering in his ear and telling him what to do. And yeah, this story's going to end up at the World Economic Forum years ago. It's going to end up with fucking Eric Schmidt, the old CEO of Google. It's going to end up with Jeffrey Epstein. It's, I mean, it's juicy. It's loaded. Like, who, wrote this for Wall Street Journal? This is, um, Keith Hageley and Luke Gerard Cummer. Yeah.

Unfortunate. That's a Hagee and Cummer piece. Okay. All right. Pause. But I'm sure when they came across this one, their eyes got really big because they're like, there's no way this is real.

But again, yes, it's real. So let's go down. Let's do it. Let's start reading. So I already said that. So like when he went to go visit, with Modi, the prime minister of India, he was allowed to bring one guest

and one person to sit in the meetings with him at this like summit, and he brought his wife. So she acts as a sounding board, she did a advisor for Amadeh, according to people close to the company. She has also brought an Anthropica, key early investor, former Google CEO, Eric Schmidt,

whom she had dated. Damn, son. So she brought her ex to be the investor daddy of her she's cold-blooded yeah cold-blooded anyway so the pair married in 2022

I mentioned that was all like quiet and they didn't have anything and Anthropics AI chatbot Claude responds to queries by saying Dario Amade's marital status doesn't seem to be clearly confirmed they're like get off my lawn yo

don't sit here all right so as anthropic hurdles towards an IPO that could top two trilly Clark is one of the most influential voices shaping the decision of a CEO. There's never been a situation where the CEO of like a major company has a wife who has no real actual knowledge of the product at hand and no official job of the company, but who is the key advisor. There's never been a situation

where that goes wrong. No, yeah. Not once. Especially what like when she's cooking you. Especially when the ex hubby put the money down to. That's right. When she's cucking you with her ex in the company, can't possibly go wrong. In Toronto, every arrival is a statement and nothing says it better than this. Cadillac Optic was the number one selling luxury EV in Canada for 2025. Find your rhythm across a seamless 33-inch display and an immersive 19 speaker AKG surround audio system. This city demands agility and optic delivers with precision to make every drive extraordinary. Let's take the Cadillac. Find out more at Cadillac canada.ca. Luxury sales claim based on S&P Global Mobility Canadian New Vehicle Total Registrations for calendar year 2025 for the Cadillac

definition of luxury. So she made connections with powerful people. including Schmidt, whom she brought into Amadeh's orbit. The billionaire left roles at Google and parent alphabet in 2020 and transitioned into investing into tech startups, yada, yada, yada, go down. This is all the mythos stuff. So Clark, born in Reno, Nevada in 1979, was an entrepreneur and often interacted with the rich and powerful, as well as up-and-comers in Silicon Valley.

The most important would turn out to be Amade, whom she started dating in 2014, just previously beginning in 2011, and lasting for three years. She was in a relationship with Schmidt, who was an executive chairman of Google, and then I guess she probably aged out. I don't know. Anyway, pure spec.

Oh. When they got together, Amadeh was still an academic working as a postdoctoral scholar at Stanford University School of Medicine, having heard a PhD in computational neuroscience from Princeton. He would go on stints at Bidu and Google before joining OpenAI in 2016. So we'll go down all past this. She introduced people at OpenAI to other people as well. Go up a little bit there, Dief.

So when he left OpenAI, Dario, back in 2020, He and his sister and five other employees then founded Anthropic. Anthropic in May 21 announced that it had raised $124 million for its Series A. So five months later, they get $124 million. How do we get that? Yeah, well, hey. Man, five months? Five months.

What are we doing wrong? Anyway, led by Skype engineer John Tallin and including Facebook co-founder Dustin Moskowitz, Jane Street founder James McLeve, and the Center for Emerging Risk Research as well as Schmidt. That was a part of that 124. Clark, who wasn't yet married, wanted equity in the new company.

She like, honey, I need my piece. That's a part of the pre-up. I need that. According to documents reviewed by the journal, in February 21, Clark Pitt Schmidt on creating a new venture fund called the Mother of AGI Fund. Its goal was to be an elegant solution

to formalize Cammy's involvement in Anthropic and manage Eric's investment and invest in the AGI ecosystem, according to a 40-page proposal. Others at Anthropic, including Dario's own sister. Uh-oh, problem, drama in the household, didn't support the plan, according to people familiar with the matter and it didn't move forward. By the end of the year, associates said they recall seeing what looked like an engagement ring on Clark's hand and not long afterwards the couple wed in Italy.

That's what she did. That's a classic move, Joey Deef. She tried the muscle into the company, get him on his back. feet have his whole, his sister, all his co-founders against it and shouldn't be like, oh my God, you know, he's a nerd. He out kicked his coverage here. He's like, oh, my God, no, you can't have equity. And she goes, you know what, honey, you're right. I shouldn't have equity. But, but what we should do is we should get married. You should marry me. She's like, if you don't marry me, you know what's going to happen. Yeah, yeah, you know what's happening. It's either equity or marriage. You can't not

have it. Oh, no, that's not the, she's like, if you don't marry me, uh-huh. There ain't There's not going to be a wedding to celebrate. There's going to be a celebration of life. Pure spec. Maybe we'll edit that out. I don't know. Pure spec. All right.

So Anthropic drew the ire of the Trump administration earlier this year after Amade refused to drop restrictions on how Claude could be used by the Pentagon, the government label Anthropica. Supply chain risk and Pentagon partners were effectively banned from using its technology in their work with the defense. Let's go down. Joey D. For their defense department. A designation. company is challenged in court. And actually, as a side note, I don't know if there's like a lot more

there and it's all facade or whatever, but I did like that. I appreciated not giving all the way into just fucking handing over these tools that we don't even know how to control yet at the behest of any government regardless of who's in charge of it, but maybe there's more there. The administration added restrictions on additional AI models in June that were later dropped. The standoff brought unwelcome attention to the company head of its IPO. This is where it gets interest. Clark has recently told people involved in politics that the company sees its mission is protecting America and isn't as quote woke as its detractors might think it is, according to people familiar with the matter. And in a case of all these people know each other and all these

people just find a way to get in the circle and fuck at the Sun Valley Conference in July where she spent much of the week by her husband's side, she had lunch with Ivanka Trump, a friend, and chatted with Jared Kushner, whom Amade had approached earlier in the year to invest people familiar with the matter said how many times do we got to give an optics class here yeah i don't even know if we should say it anymore i don't even like it's just get boring if we keep saying it's it's just from a PR perspective yeah they just never figure it never never stops so clark's early years show a young woman we're getting to jeffrey upstein here this is we're just laying the groundwork and then we're going to have fun with these emails clark's early

years show a young woman hustling to succeed a range of businesses, many she founded, including a porn company targeting women. Nice. It's all about feminine freedom, I guess. In 1999, that's when she married that 64-year-old, and she was a dropout from architecture school, which is very closely related to technology, innovation, VC, and AI, Joey D. I can see exactly, you know, the correlation entrepreneur. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Property records show she moved to San Francisco, 1999 spent a decade there before spending time in New York and Los Angeles. In that period, she worked for a mortgage brokerage company. While raising money for a later venture, she would describe herself as the co-founder of LOG Financial Corp. The company's 2005

in corporation documents don't include her name. So on record, she'd be capping. She's got a history of people screwing her out of equity. That's right. Well, or, or Joey D. She has a history of claiming she should have equity or lying about her fucking merits on a resume. I think that's more where I'm leaning here. A lender foreclosed on her San Francisco apartment in 2007 and two years later she filed for bankruptcy according to property records of court filing. Around 2010 she had a comeback though. She and Michelle Copephalo capocephalo started edis which is described as quote a revolutionary porn company unquote and Joey Deef if I were starting a revolutionary porn company.

And to be clear, I'm not. But if I were, you know who I would name it after? Who? My grandmother. Name for Edis, I would not do that, to be clear. Name for Edis Munson, Clark's maternal grandmother. It aimed to emphasize sex positivity in a male-oriented porn industry and carried the tagline. Oh, this is the best.

Intellectually promiscuous. So, Dief. Imagine you just sitting there. Yeah. You're yanking and banking. Okay. I think that's what the kids on the internet are saying these days, right? Gooning?

You gooning. I'm gooning. You gooning. I'm gooning. And you just realize that while you may be promiscuous doing this on your own time, you're at least firing up your intellectual neurons. So at the same time as you getting dopamine pleasure jerking off to some fucking poor girl who probably got sex traffic to do that porn, even though they are.

Well, they are a revolutionary company. They're claiming they're not doing that. They probably vet and do all that. Pure spec, maybe they didn't do that. But either way, while you're doing that, you are at least getting more intellectual capacity or getting smarter. It's almost like you're going to college while you're beaten off. Yeah, yeah, that's pretty cool. That's pretty cool, right?

Yeah. Well, that's how they sold it. All right. So it included a blog that gathered content with titles such as, quote, Lady Porn Day and Orgasm Inc. Okay. It also highlighted the work of intellectuals. You need that in an intellectually stimulating porn environment, such as pundit, Clay Shirky, and marketing expert and author Seth Godin.

Ah, man, they hit Godin in here. Seth does some great work. That's fine. He's just a little horny as all. Well, I mean, he may not have known that they'd mention him. He's a hero and he doesn't even know it. I don't want to put that on him. At one point after alerting readers that its PayPal account had been frozen.

What a lot of freezing of assets, bankruptcies, failed companies is, you know, what did I say? Keep trying until you succeed. Yeah, that's the game. Clark's company announced on its website that it was crowdsourcing funding. We are raising 350K to produce edis.com and our first four films, American girl in Paris. Damn, a four-parter right out the gate. That's a little ambitious. I could tell you as a filmmaker myself, to come out with a four-part series right out the gates. That's a lot. It's also where they filmed taken. But Paris?

Well, listen, the French, that could do pretty well in the French market. But a four-part series, a little ambitious, guys. Yeah. Or gals. And one of her pitches, part of which was reviewed by the journal Clark said her resume included real estate and entrepreneurial investments, as well as distribution and brand strategy consultant interior design architectural background. Let's just throw a lot of buzzwords at the page of anything I've ever looked at.

She's a polymath. That's right. She's a bot man. She's like actually a modern-day Ben Franklin. Yeah, that's how all these... He was a horn dog, too. All these... I mean, listen, what did I say? All great men are perverts, but not all perverts are great men. I'm gonna leave that one right there.

There's some sort of truth to that. I don't know. God, you always hit us with the hard truth, Joey Thief. It's a hard truth. I don't know if that's true. No, I don't know if that's true. It sounds like... It sounded like a bar.

Yeah, I guess that's right. It sounded like a bar, for sure. But this is where they cross pass with our long time nemesis Jeffrey Epstein And this is where I was reviewing these emails Which I also I know we'll put them up in a second

But I haven't in front of me too So Clark and Capocephalo Attended the 2011 Digital Life Design Conference in Munich A tech media science and arts salon That executives often stop by On their way to the world Economic Forum

in Davos. So it's like, you know, it's like a flyover, right? A little pit stop. You know, you get a longer layover. Maybe it's it, Heathrow. You go to the pub, you tie one back for like 10 hours. You need some random fucking people that you're not going to remember. You get on the next flight. And when you land, you're like, how the fuck did I get here? That's all they're doing. Yeah. It's very innocent, Joey Deef. I don't know why you're looking at them. So suspicious. I'm just surprised they didn't have it in Berlin. It's more sex positive. It is more sex positive. I've heard that. I've heard that. I don't know. Maybe people from Berlin can Oh, wow.

Checking on that one. Anyway, that year the keynote speech was given by Schmidt. This is right around the time she started dating them too. Then still CEO of Google. Little is publicly known about the three-year relationship between Clark and Schmidt, who remains married to another woman. Schmidt was also investor in one of Clark's startups, which focused on women's health, according to people familiar with the matter. She's all about empowering women. You've got to admire that, you know.

Yeah, I respect it. At the Munich conference, Clark and Coppicephra. I'm never going to say that, right? Met with John Brockman, a literary agent of scientific books who introduced Epstein to academics and Silicon Valley elites, according to Epstein documents recently released by the Justice Department. Now, I want to take a little sidebar here. Sidebar. John Brockman is a guy we haven't talked about a ton on this show and it deserves another look at some point. As he was described there correctly, he was this literary agent who represented all kinds of people, but he was the head of the Edge Foundation.

And this is what sucks about the Edge Foundation. And this is what the Epstein Network would do, dude. All they had to do is just get some association with you and they could taint you forever. Yep. But the Edge Foundation featured, I don't know if the site's still up. I haven't been on it in a while, but as of a couple years ago, it featured every fucking known scientist, as in anyone who's ever done anything of note. I'm exaggerating a little bit here, but not that much. In the science field, whether it's physics, astronomy, you name it.

Like, they're on it. They're on it. They're all in it. And this guy was connected to all of them. And I say that because he was a perfect, he was a perfect dude to be like a pimp in this game. because he had the intellectual backing of an organization with enormous human capital and connections that went way beyond the scientist, by the way,

to where he could be a kingmaker and someone who could introduce people to people. So he had social business trust of a lot of people. But all the while, he was boys with Jeffrey Epstein thrown all these parties. That was actually the guy, I believe, if I'm remembering correctly, that Doug Rushkoff mentioned was running that party. He did mention Brockman, yeah.

That he went to in like 98 or 99 that he later found out Epstein was attending. I was going to say, too, with science, like with people that are doing research and your work always is coming down to grants. And it's literally the perfect storm. Same with like all the arts, like all the different artists that are caught up in this too. those fields it's it's you're hoaring yourself out yes and then even like let's play it out this way there's some people who then ended up being compromised and blackmailed or obviously in some cases were even just straight up sick individuals yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah but it poisons it's bad apples poisoned the whole well because then anyone including people that maybe never actually went to

party of that type or whatever who just happened to be listed on that that foundation, similarly to how I've described how Epstein and Maxwell would just take a photo with people over the years. And now it's just there forever. This can taint them and like have to pull them in to being questioned about all these relationships. And by the way, fairly so. We've seen so many people that are like guilty of something. You know, in some cases, clearly the worst things that like, of course, all of us in the general public are going to look at someone and be like, what the fuck, man? I mean, I'll say without

name and names or whatever. Like, I, I, there are people when, again, we got to check if it's up. But on that Edge Foundation list, scientists who I know. Yeah, well, that's why it's like you should have to answer. There's another wrong with that. Especially if you did nothing wrong.

Like, if I did nothing wrong, I'm one of these people. I would be like, dude, you should talk about it. Who's got a mic? Yeah. You got a mic. So I'm not saying those names right now, but if I have on, Like there's two guys I'm thinking of.

If I have them on, you got to. I'm going to ask them about it. And I think, knowing what I know now, especially, you have to do that. You have to do that. So stay tuned because now, no, that's percolate. I'm going to have to do that. But as I said, at the Munich conference, this is where they met Brockman. Brockman introduced the women to Epstein that March 2011, writing that he was headed to a wired magazine party

where Brockman was the guest of honor, he told Epstein, quote, you should connect for dinner with my girls. Cammy and Michelle. They're in L.A. raising money for a porn movie aimed at the women's market. He then shared the website for Edith. So I want to point this out. John Brockman, I believe, was also present. It's been a while.

So maybe check me on this. I believe he was present for the December 2010 dinner that I think Peggy Siegel helped put together that was like the welcome home party for Jeffrey Epstein. from prison. This is a long-time friend of Epstein. He knew damn well what Epstein went to prison for. Jeffrey Epstein at the time that he's writing that email to him about this fucking porn company is a registered sex offender. And John Brockman has no hesitation saying you should connect with these two girls, they were women, but either way, you know what I mean, who have this porn company as if it's a business opportunity for him. Again, these are people that just play by a

different set of rules. Am I right? No, it's just I was just thinking optics again. Yeah, it's crazy. Yeah, it's crazy. So Brockman concluded the March 3rd email by noting a birthday party being thrown for him that Saturday, saying Clark and Capocephalo would be there. Clark followed up on the email soon after

writing to Epstein's, this is Cammy Clark, Dari Almade is now wife. Hello, Jeffrey. We would love to have dinner with you this evening. She sent him her cell phone number. John Brockman didn't respond to request for comments for the story because of course he didn't. The next week, sent Epstein an email with an attachment. We thought you and the ladies might enjoy the script

treatment for our first four films, American Girl in Paris. A little NSFW, not safe for workplace, she wrote. A year later, she reached back out to Epstein. At first, he didn't remember her. She replied that they had been introduced by Brockman a year earlier. We have the free luxury porn company, does that ring a bell? And this is where I'm going with the Wall Street Journal's timeline of when these emails were sent. This is what I was referencing earlier. When you look at J-mail, they're like kind of out of order, but the Wall Street Journal on their reporting and their review has put this in order. So we're going to go with this. All right. And if that's later proven incorrect, then there's something we're missing here. We will correct that. But this is what they got.

So they say, we have the, she says to Epstein, we have the free luxury porn company. Does that ring a bell? Jeffrey Epstein replies Yes, a loud gong It didn't just ring a bell He fucking Yeah, I'm not even gonna make a joke there Clark joke back Ha ha I was going to say

You would be the first person that didn't remember this She then pitched him on investing in her company Saying that they had just hired someone From Oprah Winfrey's company And Ashton Coucher's catalyst The Media Company behind the shows like Punked Are you still interested? Epstein, then a registered sex offender, replied, can't do sex TV. So he, at some point in this conversation, this is added context because I have the emails in front of me.

He also mentions to what appears to be Cammy Clark that he's in the Caribbean until April. As you recall, I live here, but I'm willing to look at whatever you think viable. and then that's obviously where this comes up and he says, I can't do sex TV. She goes, so that email where she said you'd be the first person who didn't remember us, she also said at any rate, are you in NY? Would be great to catch up. I'm in San Francisco slash L.A. till Wednesday, then back. And she's signing all these off as Cammy Clark.

So they are from her. Officially jealous, she says, officially jealous on the Caribbean front. We'll intro you to Jennifer Zucarini via email. I personally, all caps, love what she did with Kiki DM. There is another girl who is starting a mid-price lingerie line with an interesting distribution model. We'll send you her things when she has them together probably in the next week or so. So she's throwing them all that things related to women in their bodies. Staying on brand, I guess.

Fair, right? It's fair on brand. So full steam ahead. We just said this is another email. We just hired the head of programming and develop from and development from Oprah's network. And prior to that, Ashton's catalyst, we're highly focused on creating amazing content, amaze only the best, which landed us firmly in Hollywood where things operate at a very different timetable. Are you still

interested? We might be raising another round. And so this is where he had then said like, can't do it because he's in, you know, it's a sex company. So she goes, I didn't think so, smiley face. Being a lingerie supporter is equally as good. We're also about to raise a round for a social dieting app and website geared towards women. Everything's about women. She got a lot of ideas for women. I don't think any of these came to fruition, but it was good enough that she's now like the key advisor

for one of the key fucking AI companies on Earth that's worth a couple trillion. Neither here nor there. We're also about to raise around for a social dieting app and website geared towards women. It integrates the data from all of our health monitoring devices. Fitbit, foot, bone, up, body media, FitCore, Armband, Nike Fuel Band,

Whitting Skill, MC10's latest, combined with user inputted data about nutrition, users will be able to photograph food for portion size calculations, prescription and supplement regimen, menstrual cycle, and location via GPS, mood, etc., via push notifications. Not spying on you at all, obviously, like all these ops. In fairness, I'm in. Like all these apps do.

Yeah, Joey Deave loves getting fun. Just like, I'm in. Information is then aggregated to create rich data results and infographics of each user's patterns, habits, and lifestyle. Honey, I'm just telling you that this is already TLDR. Like this guy, Jeff, he's a, these rich people, they're like a one or two lines get the point across. You're at fucking line eight right now. He has already dozed off, which by the way, he never responded to this email.

He snows you'll listen. Anyway, users can share this information or opt out with other users, Facebook style, to get examples and templates of what works for real women over a broad range of lifestyle. Diet management and weight loss services are massive, but deeply fragmented markets, It's 61 billion sales in the US, $586 billion globally. Online sales are growing quickly and tremendous potential for mobile. Is that anything that you'd be interested in? That's like the fucking entourage guy.

Is that something you might be interested in? That's something you might be interested in. Fucking Martin Landau. Dude. So good. That's effectively the end of the article other than Epstein received an automated note from LinkedIn in 2013 that he should congratulate Clark for her new role as, CEO of female algorithm technologies.

Traces of it online are scant, except for a Tumblr account with the edgy aesthetic that combined photos of nude women, a portrait of Steve Jobs, with an early Mac, and all caps mottoes like great minds fuck each other using the full expletive and let's make lots of money. If I could say, and that's a great way that Keach Hagueley ended this article. It's perfectly on brand. If I could summarize this girl's life, it is all about fucking her way to the top. and trying to get rich quick and get around powerful people so that she can just snag off the fucking ends of it.

And now, you know, she probably seduced this relatively nerdy guy and is cucking him with her ex and is caught up in these files after they tried to scrub her from the internet, which would suggest, it would suggest pure spec here, Joey Dee, pure spec. But it would suggest that Dario Amadei or whoever had that information scrubbed

and I would think he probably knew about that, considering how Claude answers these responses itself. It would suggest that they knew maybe the past wasn't all sunshine and rainbows. How many more of these are going to drop? How many more people in this space? I think we missed something in that article, by the way. She was involved in all those effective altruism groups.

Oh, good. On Silicon Valley, which is just a chef's kiss. But, like, how many more times are we going to see someone near, around, or in power in the structure today in 2026, who is caught up with the most notorious sex trafficker in modern history. I think you could kind of think it's most of the new class, if you will. The new class. They were freshmen back then. They were freshmen.

They're seniors now. They're in charge. You know? Class president. You see someone walking around high school, but you don't know exactly what grade they're in. but then once they're a senior, you know they're a senior. And you're like, oh, they're in that class. They're in that class.

And they're all in that class. It seems that way. Pure spec. Pure spec, but it's a loaded class. They got some heavy hitters in that class. They got heavy hitters, and the doors outside are locked. We tried to just get in and videotape it for you guys so you could find out what's happening. They security kicked us out.

They're rebelling. They're putting orange soda in the water founts right now. That's right. right. Absolutely right. So Bill Gates' daughter, Phoebe, Feebe, mentioned this out front. Big cookie stuffer. Can we pull up a picture of Feebs?

Yeah, we get that. Just, you know, lay down the visual here. This plot that she's now implicated in has charges that could be listed up to 20 years in prison, by the way. As Joey Deef said to me earlier

off camera, I'm betting on the under there. Yeah. Yeah, she ain't doing 20 years. I would have to do... Joey Deef's doing every bit of those 20 years. They might be like, you know what? Fuck it.

35. You know what? Joey Deef is going to go stuff some cookies, pause. That's right. Later tonight. And they'll give him the 20 that they would give her. And he'll be the whipping boy.

I remember that book. That's exactly. In grade school, you're just a whipping boy. That's it. They're going to be like, all right. Well, now that two people have committed the crime, bad girl, Phoebe, but Joey Dief will do the time for you. Guess I'm doing a hard 20.

Hard 20. Pose. By the way, this is from Akash Gupta on Twitter. He laid out that cookie stuffing has already sent two men to federal prison. Sean Hogan made $28 million as eBay's number one affiliate before the FBI rated his home. Brian Dunning, the number two took in 5.2. Both pleaded guilty. So they pled it down to wire fraud.

They didn't go to trial. And they were given, I believe it was like, yeah, Hogan got five months, Dunning got 15. Isn't that funny how the leader who made more got five months and his number two who made like one six of what he made got fucking 15 months? Isn't it funny how the girl who like founded this company is not going to do 20 years with some schmuck's going to do like nine? Yeah, that's hilarious. That's exactly right. Classic biz. So as a review, what I mentioned at the outside of the episode, just so we're clear,

is that this company, Fia, which Phoebe founded with, what's her name, Keani? Keanu Reeves. Yeah. Can we just get that girl's full name that she founded it with? I forget. But as a part of this Bloomberg investigation, that Bloomberg, shout out, did a great job on. Sophia Keani. Sophia Keani is the other one, and then it's Phoebe Gates.

Okay. So Bloomberg did this great reporting and also a long time. time fraud researcher named Ben Edelman did his own reporting as well and was really on to this. But I'm going to oversimplify it because some of this gets like a little technical. But essentially their company FIA allows users to utilize coupons to get deals on the internet. They were putting cookies, which are those things you have to hit accept and reject to that none of us ever think about what the fuck it is. It's like a way of tracking people. they would use cookies illegally to follow people through their internet navigation, if you will,

to then automatically get credit for sales that they did not drive. I am oversimplifying it, but that is effectively what they did. And that is what we laid out in Bloomberg's initial reporting, which was back in July. At the time that Bloomberg reported it, the company, Fia, went, oh my God. no this oh my god and they went in they're like no no my

no no we didn't do this oh my god there's some cookie stuff and going on we had no idea yep not a clue and I know you and I bought that yeah yeah they're like we just found out yesterday like holy shit and they turned it off oh they turned it right off they respect they were so blown away

I respect and they went to Bloomberg and they said Thank you. Thank you for looking out for our customers who we would never, ever hurt. We would never, ever try to skim money off the top of. Thank you for pointing this out. You have made our company a better place. But Bloomberg wasn't done there. And apparently neither was Edelman. So again, shout out to both of them. And they decided to go in and take a deeper look and make some calls. That's not good. You know what? They did Joe Defe. call you know what they did what they do they did a little door knocking oh they were just like old school on the ground colombo type investigation and they went inside this company what i looking this way and

that way exactly that's a hundred percent you got the old lady looking through the window going oh my god what's happening because she lives for the neighborhood gossip and she just seized them on the doorstep saying we got to talk yeah right don't know what they're talking about but i believe can we check this deep. They raised like 35 million in funding. Was that right? I believe so. It was tens of millions of dollars. They raised it from people like Haley Bieber. I think

a Kardashian gave him some money. Yeah. Definitely no one who's in any way a connection that she was able to meet through her father, through, you know, because obviously Phoebe's out there finding good money herself completely. But yeah, so they raised all this money.

And Bloomberg was saying they were doing this cookie stuffing thing. They say, oh my God, we weren't doing it. So once they turned off the cookie stuffing because they couldn't believe it was even on, they had no idea about it, Bloomberg was able to continue to investigate and see that their revenues immediately came down,

something from like $80,000 a month on this to in the neighborhood of $10,000. It is in this article from Bloomberg. Can you type in $80,000 find next? Yeah. So I can get it right. I want to make sure I have the figures that they got. So after FIA disabled the features in early,

July, average daily revenue at the company dropped from about $80,000 a day to between 10 and 28,000, the chart shows, a slack message posted by a FIA data scientist on July 7th and reviewed by Bloomberg, estimated the cookie stuffing accounted for about 51% of the merchandise value Fia claimed credit for selling in June. So more than half of their company's revenue was coming from what do we call this Joey Deef? Scam, fraud. That's right. That's right. And you know what? Lazy fraud. Lazy fraud for sure.

As our friend Matt Cox would say, this is sloppy fraud. Well, look it, she's 23 years old. That is some classic, immature, childish fraud. She just didn't know. Now you might have to learn a lesson. But you won't. She won't because Joey Deef has already signed on to be her attorney. Pay me some of that fee of money.

Joey, that's right. Joey Deves gonna get some of the revenue. Come on, turn the stuff back on. If you're going to pay for my retainer. If the cookie don't fit, you must acquit. He's already got it ready to go. I'm going to need you to turn that back on because I got a retainer to get. That's right.

Just as long as he gets his retainer, we'll forgive the fraud. Yeah. You know? And then I'll just blow the case. You'll get 30 years. That's right. That's right. Joey Deve's got to raise some money in the influencer world out there.

There's a lot of aesthetic. things that he's working on in his life, buying a mansion with money he can't afford, and this is how he's going to get it. Yeah, help me out or undoomed, you know? Doomed. Anyway, so their revenue split in more than half after this occurs. And what I meant by Bloomberg going to knock on some doors is they went to employees, engineers, it sounds like, sources within the company, and they were able to get access to Slack texts. They'd date all the way back to December.

Damn. And in the words of pretty much every legal textbook that I've been told about, I didn't go to law school, maybe my lawyers can help me out here. This is where you find the quote-unquote smoking gun. I don't even know if that's in legal textbooks, but we use it in popular parlance. Yeah, but it's... Either way, you get the point. It is made very clear in Slack messages that...

Bloomberg was able to review and verify that they also, if you scroll all the way down, Joey Deef, they recreate at the very bottom. Go all the way down to the bottom of the article. Keep going, keep going, pass the cookie stuff and keep going right there. They recreate these different conversations from December 2025 where Phoebe and her co-founder Keani. That's how you say it, right? Yep. Yeah, Sophia Keani.

Are going back and forth with engineers where they are. admit like I read through these and like it's a little bit technical but I read through them a couple different times and I'd like all of you guys to read through this as well for yourself to see you know what your takeaway was which by the way this is this is one of those you can archive dot is and see if it comes up because it's Bloomberg which is you know another service so we Mike Ben's this and we were able to see it but from what I can see and what Bloomberg took away is that Phoebe and her co-founder are both acknowledging in these conversations that in December 2025 they are completely aware that this is happening and they instruct the engineers to make sure

that effectively, and I'm oversimplifying, that they continue it. Even when in one, at least one of these conversations, there was an engineer expressing some issue with this going, hey, I don't know about this guys. And I think it was, I can't remember if it was Phoebe or her co-founder who said, said, listen, you know, as long as we keep the revenue, we got to keep the revenue above X amount a day, because, you know, biz. And, you know, however that has to happen, let's make it happen because that's what this is. Now, here's what I don't understand, Joey Dief.

I don't know what it's like to have a dad who's worth fucking whatever Bill Gates is worth $100 billion. He has signed a pledge to give away all of his money after he infects all the farmland around the world and apparently vaccinate all society. And money doesn't matter anymore. Right. You know, here, this is a better time. But I think what I'm getting out here is I think it's fair to say prior to starting this company, Phoebe Gates was not missing any meals, right? I'm not worried about her being out on the street.

I'm sure she's got a very nice life. She has no need to start a company at all. But like, hey, you know, you want to be an entrepreneur. You want to go make something yourself in the world. You know, if you're using Daddy's connections to go. raise some fucking money that you don't have the risk because it's other people's money you do it neither here nor there you go out there you try to build a company joey d'i i can respect that yeah it's when you do the fraud phoebe it's when you do the fraud as the

bloomberg seems to have caught you dead the rights that's when i stopped respecting it now this is another key moment where we are seeing in our roman empire symbolic life here yeah an elite Situation, Phoebe Gates, you know, through no fault of her own, is born into that elite world and she seems more than happy to enjoy and reap the fruits and benefits of it, including at the expense of the everyman. You know, as in her customers, this is where we are going to see whether or not the double standard plays out for the fucking 10 trillionth time here. Because as far as I can tell, and now I'm being serious, Joadie Deef, if you or I did this, we'd be in handcuffs right now. Yeah, for sure. But if this report came out, FBI open up. And we'll open up.

Yeah, all right, you got us, lawyer. Okay. And we're going to jail, all right? And all of you out there listening, unless you're Phoebe Gates or someone like that, you're going to jail. Yeah. But not Phoebe Gates right now. So I'll hold my breath, Joey Deef. But I think I'm going to be dead before we record the next.

episode. Yeah, I think I could see that counsel's probably going to make an argument of like a teenage fever dream in this case, you know, born in 2002, 2018, the Ocean's Eight movie comes out. That's the female spin-off of the Ocean series. So she's like 16-ish. So she's a teenager. That was probably one of her favorite movies. And she's like talking to her girlfriend's like, we should do this shit. We should do this shit. That's right. And then they started this business and she's like, we're going to be like Sandra Bullock. We're going to be like, Rian Hathaway, like, we're going to do this. Yeah. And they, you know, they got

and they flew too close to the sun. They did. They did. You know, we'll see if she learns a lesson now. I think you cook there. But yeah, I think the counts. That's all that matters. That's a great point, Joey, D. That's all the matters. As long as she learns her lesson and just doesn't do this again. Yeah. We can forget that, right?

It's like, remember, like, when your dad infected, was that her mother? You know what? Well, let's, when you're doing the, yeah, just, you can just pull that out. I'm leaving that old. No, I didn't. That's awesome. That's just bit.

I forgot. That is just biz. But, you know, it's just like, you got to look at the people around you. And, like, if there's one great thing about being born into that world of the elites, is that you're going to see a lot of incredible wins. And, oh, God, the losses you're going to witness in that world as a kid, oh, you're going to see. crazy losses. You got to learn. You're going to get the best education of the world possible when you're growing up in those circles because you're going to see the best and the worst,

like on the highest and lowest scale. But they don't. They don't learn. You would have thought they don't learn, Joey D. If you would have thought on that note, you know, she watched the de-branding if you, I don't know if that's a term, but you know what I mean, of her father. The bad optics. Right. Especially the last six to seven years. Right. Where he went from some people still respected them in society to fucking everyone can't stand him. And you would have thought she would have been like, you know what? I may be young, but here is the room and thou shalt read it. But then you know what happened? She came into the living room and Bill's sitting there and his little sweater and he's eating some larva and like drinking the green juice. And she's like,

like, what are you going to do now? Like isn't this horror? And he's like, honey, honey, honey. I still got all the money. That's right. I still got all the money. Your mother left me. And maybe that's what happened. She didn't learn the lesson. She's like, oh, yeah, he's right. Yeah, he disgraced his name.

Yeah, the brand is ruined. But he's got the money. He's got the money. He's got the money. He's got the mullah. Which, can we scroll up to a picture of Phoebe Gates? Yeah. Real quick.

That's the founder. No, not that one. That's not as good. That was an older picture. Not that one. Go up. Oh, you know what it was? It was the one on the New York Post. Go to Twitter real fast.

Okay. Because those are older pictures. You know. Oh, wait. So, nope. Yeah, yeah, that's combined two names. Bill Gates and his wife, not the best aesthetic genetics going on there? No offense.

She did all right. I'll give her that. I'll give her that. She's got a future. Aesthetically speaking. It cancels out. If both the parents are, it cancels out. That's right.

You know, like, the right jeans just... Well, yeah, they say hot people have ugly kids. I mean, she's not a 10, but, like, you know, she's not a fucking 5. I will give her that. But regardless of what she is, she should be going to jail. Yeah, sorry, Phoebs. And that, as they say is that. So we'll continue, as we said last time.

We'll continue to monitor that case. We'll check it out. Looking at you, Cash Patel F's FBI. Looking which way are you looking? That's what I'm saying. I'm looking at you. at your right eye and I need that left one to come back over here. That's hunting. This one's fishing. I need you fishing on both of them. You know, like in cartoons when they get hit and the birds

are flying around, because they're days. That's what I imagine he's doing every time. He's just looking around. He's just in a daze. He's seeing the fucking fractals. He's doing something. But we said out front, Luigi pled guilty and I said that I talked to Lauren Conlin. So let's pull up the first article right there that has like an outline of some of the things he said in court because CBS was reporting this. TMZ was reporting this. Obviously, it's news that happened in court. But this one goes down where he said in court in the open, I knew what I was doing. And so his defense attorney, Karen Agnifalo, who I believe her husband represented Diddy. He is very well defended from an attorney perspective.

You know, she and Luigi decided to file this plea today, which apparently was seen to be coming in some circles talking to Lauren. Yeah. And so much so that the family members of Brian Thompson, who is the former CEO of United Healthcare, who Luigi Mangione, I guess is admitting now that he did in fact kill, the family members were there to see this. But I'm going to read this straight from what happened in the courtroom. Luigi Mangione admitted to the cold-blooded killing of United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson, pleading guilty Friday to federal stalking charges as the slain executive's widow cried silently

in the courtroom gallery. Mangione drew glares from Thompson's relatives as he walked into the Manhattan federal courtroom with his hands uncuffed behind his back, but his ankles shackled, wearing a beige prison jumpsuit with a long-sleeved white shirt rolled up to his elbows. Several of Thompson's relatives, including his widows, sat in the second row of the courtroom, eyed the accused killer as he strolled in, took a seat, and intently read, and then signed a document with lawyers. Mr. Mangione is prepared to plead guilty to the indictment at this time, defense attorney Karen Agnifiloh told the judge, let's go down to where he says. All right, so according to Mangione, he had, quote, emailed United Health Care Leadership

while posing as an investor requesting details to the conference and received an immediate response. And Joey D, if you were telling me that you saw he had previously just emailed regularly and didn't get a response and then when he posed as like a really wealthy investor, that's when he got the immediate response and that set him off. Yeah. Okay. Interesting that, you know, again, you can't go killing people on the street, period. I don't care what it is. That doesn't solve problems.

I think most of us who have even slightly lived. through anything that involves health care costs can agree we have a very broken system in this country and the companies like this are certainly at fault for that and the government as well and the system that's been set up that said it is also you know when you talk about like to let them eat cake you'll do what i fucking tell you to do and pay what i tell you to pay regardless of what your situation is and if you die on the street go fuck yourself like attitude that people put on a lot of these companies and i fully understand that you know obviously this kid was already upset about it with his own struggles he was going through but

optically when he's not getting a response to things and then poses as someone wealthy and immediately gets a response that's not exactly helping stereotypes yeah i will say that part as an editorial but he said quote before traveling to new york i used a 3d printer to make a gun on the morning of december 4th 2024 i shot mr thompson in manhattan and he died when i did so i understood my actions put him in. I understood my actions put him in dot, dot, dot. I knew what I was doing was illegal. At the start of the proceedings, U.S. Judge Margaret Garnett told Mangione that he could face a maximum sentence of life in federal prison if he challenged his plea and if he changed his plea from not guilty to guilty, but said she would not be handing down a sentence at the Friday

hearing. Mangoni will next face trial in a New York state court on second degree murder weapons and forgery charges. Jury selection is scheduled to begin September 8. So, I want to relay some of the things, Lauren Conlin, who you should follow on Instagram. She does, and on X, she does some great reporting. I had her in here earlier this spring to cover the missing scientist case and all that. She does a great job. But Lauren was saying that this was some brilliant lawyering from Luigi's team because they've already been able to get charges knocked out along the way at the federal level,

the terrorism charges. I want to say the first degree murder charges. Either way, they got some serious charges knocked. out and this charge was like stalking with the intent to kill. And in pleading guilty, as you can see from the transcript here, a part of that plea, I guess a part of the agreement, maybe some lawyers can help me out as to how this would officially work with the paperwork behind the scenes that then leads to what he says in court. But Luigi is admitting that he shot Brian Thompson. So he's admitting to the murder, but he's pleading to a charge that is like not murder one in this case.

as the court said, he does face a penalty of up to life without parole. What Lauren speculated with me is that this is the kind of plea that he will get like 25 years for. And now what's happening, Joey Deef, there's a second article right there from CBS News, is, and this is what Lauren was referring to when she was saying it was some brilliant lawyering, is now Luigi's defense team in avoiding this federal trial that, was set for January, they have that closed off, they are now attempting to argue that the charges at the state level would be a double jeopardy type situation, meaning he can't be charged twice for the same crime. And this is where it gets way above my legal pay grade. I've heard of that term before. I've heard of a term like that. I think it's also double jeopardy. Maybe we can Google this live now, Dief, to where like when someone gets acquitted, they can't get

recharged with the same crime or something like that. This double jeopardy was referring to... That's double jeopardy. That is. Under the Fifth Amendment. So let's go to CBS News so I don't fuck this up. But there's like a double jeopardy argument now in what he just did. Can we just do fine next double jeopardy?

Because this is the first part. Okay. The first part just goes through what we already went through. So his state... Yeah, go up to that first one. So despite being a single, this is what Manjone's attorney Karen Friedman Agnifalo spoke after he entered his guilty plea and what she said. Despite this being a single isolated event, Mr. Manjone has been unfairly treated since the outset in every way and he has successfully fought off terrorism charges and the death penalty while also fighting at the same time two simultaneous prosecutions and two jurisdictions who are trying to punish him twice for the exact conduct. New York law does not permit a person. to be prosecuted and punished twice for the exact same crime under a statute that covers successive prosecutions, it's also known as the double jeopardy law. So there it is, straight from the

lawyer's mouth. What Lauren was speculating on the phone is two things. Number one, this, which is based on exactly what he was saying, his attorney said, which is that they're going to try to get that case removed because he can't, he's already pled guilty in federal court, shouldn't be charged for the same crime at state court. But number two, if he was trying to, he was trying to, he was. charge for those crimes at state court. This is where it was a bit confusing. I'd love to have learned on the podcast at some point when we're covering some of her cases to explain this better than I can.

But if they did end up having to hash it out at the state level, her suggestion as to what their strategy would be is that they would try to get an equal charge to what he pled guilty to here to plead guilty to at the state level and then use legal maneuvering to argue that it should be, that the sentences should be served concurrently rather than consecutively, which if I could put some math on this, let's say he was sentenced to 25 years apiece, federally and state concurrently would mean that they're served at the same exact time. So he serves 25 years. Consecutively would mean he serves 25 and then the next 25 for what he did. The other thing to think of here, and this is a commonly discussed thing whenever you watch

any guys talk about their prison experience and things like that is he wants to serve time in federal prison not state prison. Yeah, yeah. Federal prison is way better than state prison. So he just pled guilty in federal court, so he damn well don't want to do consecutive turns

to where the second half of his term would be in a state prison. You know, go from bad to way worse at that point. So there's a lot going on here. Interesting that this just kind of popped up that like, yeah, on a Friday. I don't know. I guess. Is that normal in cork?

I don't know. It's just weird that a lot of things happen on Fridays. Like, who I got to fuck for a Monday? Never. You know? Like, it's just I don't know. That one's weird, but I've said this since the beginning and I know I know how righteously angry all of us get

at the health care system. And we're not wrong. It's a broken system. In my opinion, this is not the way to solve it. I think this sets things backward. As simple

as anarchy can be, generally in world history doesn't have a great ending. I know you covered a lot of anarchy in the saccoma van Zetti case when you wrote that fucking play. Yeah, I went to

some of these hearings and was outside the courthouse. That's right. I forgot about that. I was. You were fucking promoting the play outside the earrings in. character.

We're promoting? Well, hold on. I mean, Joey Deeb, that's what it looked like to me. It looked like you were promoting in an Italian accent. I forgot all about that. Yeah, I got some good, good headlines. Which, by the way, a little breaking news here. We haven't said this yet.

Joey Deef has completed and is finishing the editorials on a feature movie script. Mm-hmm. Are you allowed to say the name of it? Yeah, it's Billy, Benny, and Dean is the name of it. And I will say, and I say this is like a script snob, it's fucking brilliant. It is so goddamn good. I think it might actually be your best work yet, and you've had some amazing work. Thank you, sir.

But also a little breaking news. Your boy has been casted. Let's go. Apparently, I'll be getting a fade for that one. Let's go. I'm going to try that out. But I got an interesting role in there. I'm excited about it.

Yeah, I hear too. We're looking to film that in October, November, right? October, yeah, yeah. All right, so stay tuned on that. There has been some behind the scene biz, too. We've had some great meetings. Yeah, see, like there's biz everywhere, folks. There's biz everywhere, and I will just say this.

The film has secured funding. You guys got the best fucking production set up already. Like, it's unbelievable what pros you and Andy and the team are with this. And I think it's going to go really smoothly, and I'm looking forward to it getting into the festivals, because now it's got the right people behind it to do it. Yeah, it's going to be great. The next, the next like year and a half is about to be,

I mean, between what we're doing here and then that's going to be happening, it's going to be a fun one. Fuck, yeah, but I'm working my way down to the fade here. Yeah, it's going to be interesting. We're halfway there. We're going to get you skin tight. We're going to get you grills too. We're going to put grills in.

That's right. That's right. More on that to come. But you know what? We do have a minute here, Joey Deef, to go through my friends at Flock. I said I would, there's going to be more next week. because we're not gonna get through all this. But when I talked about Garrett, Garrett's his name, right?

Yeah, Garrett. CEO Garrett. Craig or Greg. Craig or Craig. I don't know how they landed on Craig or Greg. That's all right. But whatever. Anyway, so Garrett, I had referenced him not knowing how to read the room.

He doesn't even understand the irony of the literal visual examples that he thinks of when he goes to explain and defend what he does. So I want to play the video You know what I'm talking about, D if you already got it Can you cut Yeah, we're gonna look at the meme after Perfect, can you cut to where he starts talking So it's at like the 15 second mark Yeah, yeah, a little back right there

So this is Garrett Defending I guess like the good intentions Of flock And he seems to find As I said no irony in very openly, I would say maybe even callously. You know what?

Let me pull back a little bit here. Unaware, ignorant, maybe. He is describing you and I, you out there listening, me and Joey Deefan here as five-year-old children. Let's play it. People want to jump to let's just punish people and that will teach them. But if we look at our kids as a proxy. Look, as a proxy. The level of punishment,

other you're in timeout for five minutes or an hour doesn't matter to a five-year-old. They do something because they think they're going to get away with it. And as soon as they find out that as a parent,

you know, have all-seeing eyes. All-seeing eyes. They stop doing bad things. And the punishment has nothing to do with it. Okay, pause it. Maybe it's unfair to... Pause it. The punishment has nothing to do with it.

They just stop doing bad things. So we're going to film all of you, and that's all we're trying to do. We're trying to stop you from doing bad things. And we will never, we at flock, I'm speaking for Flock right now. Apparently, I'm their PR guy for a minute. We will never allow people to take advantage of that.

There will be no cops stalking their ex-girlfriends through cameras. There will be no license plate reading that, you know, apparently hooks up to your Bluetooth and shit like that and then tracks you forever more on that in a second. They're just, you're just, we are the children. And Flock is our father. Let's let him keep explaining this and take his hold deeper. They call an adult a five-year-old,

but that's generally how our brain works. We operate on a Boolean equation. of like, I get away with this, so I do it. If I don't think I get away with it, I don't do it. And maybe, you know, one is stealing, you know, a gummy from a jar of candy, another one is shooting someone. So quite a big disparity there. But it's the same brain that's making a decision to totally agree with Noah.

And I think the data is there. The data is there. And I think maybe where No and I disagree a little bit is I have a lot less anxiety on the downsides. I think, of course, there's always downsides and everything. He's got no anxiety. But I think what where Noah was going to the end is if you're a concern at a macro level is A oppressive again little PR advice here when these guys fucking talk about this shit and they use all these terms I hated this here in this at at the bank when I work there when they throw these five dollar words on there you know and they're like you know basically like at a macro level according to our data it could suggest that it's just gay stop.

talking like that. Say what it is. You know what? In the spirit of you talking about five-year-olds, say it like a five-year-old can understand it. I'm sorry to be like a little bit of a fucking old man get off my lawn right there, but like I'm just so sick of the people who are in charge holding the strings on the peasant-dante in society talking like complete fucking loony tunes. Let's continue it. In state arising in America, cameras are not the problem. The problem is I believe that's going to happen, and there's like 7,000 other ways that that could occur. I mean, they're not even hiding it anymore. Like, just the, like, the little laugh.

They're not the problem. Like the little nerdy laugh and everything. It's just dark, dude. It's like, like that old famous quote. What is it? I always have trouble with this dyslexia, like in my head with this one. It's like strong men create soft times, soft. No, strong men.

it's strong men create good times good times create soft men soft men create hard times hard times create good men that's right we're in the good times created very soft men who now get to do very hard awful things to people because they have they have these positions of power behind a keyboard to do it and cool little fun VC investments from the peter teals of the world to have free reign and no consequences for what they do. And then God forbid, you go remove one of their precious little fucking cameras. You're the terrorist. His word's not mine.

Who's this guy on TikTok I was referring to? Is this Lonnie? Lonnie shirt. Now, hold on. I gave you the actual video. I texted it to you because I had to rip the song from the background so it doesn't get ripped. But it's still Lonnie talking. So he is full credit here.

It's at Lonnie Isher, I-S-S-C-H-U-R on TikTok. But he laid out what's going on with the license plate reading and what Flock may have the ability to do here, which, you know, Joe D. I think it's kind of notable. Let's let it play. Flood cameras just got an update, and you won't fucking believe it.

We all thought they were just scanning license plates, maybe tracking humans a tad bit, but who would have thought it could get that much worse? A developer was just one. walking around trying to figure out exactly what was going on with their infrastructure. And he found that the signal trace integration is already live. You're saying, Lonnie, what the fuck is a signal trace integration? Well, it's a little cheap device they add on to any existing clock camera that when it's scanning

you or your license plate, it also pulls the Bluetooth identifier from your phone, matches that to your profile. So they'll never need a camera to track you again. Pretty fucking cool, right? Now, some of that could be like a little bit over simplified as to how quickly it gives them full access to everything. But even the idea that you are tying together, like looking at this conservatively, tying together Bluetooth data and tracking via cameras on a license plate to then be able to monitor your movements and see where you are. If you cannot see how that is not a slippery slope to dystopia, I cannot help you. And we've also been living in a country to where since COVID, we've seen like a lot of the conversation about people having the ability to practice their Second Amendment freely is obviously become even like a left and right thing in many, not in all cases, but in many cases it's something that people are like, all right, that's kind of important because we saw the government take too much power.

But do you see that link right there of flock at the gun range? I have seen tens of these this week of flock cameras being set up right outside gun ranges to be. be able to monitor all the license plates of people who are rolling into gun ranges and who's buying guns, who owns them, where they could be going, track their motions. So I don't know, Joe Deef, maybe I'm playing this out too far. We can get your very, very stute legal mind on this. But if I were looking at this for like the future of a government taking power to potentially be able to take away the Second Amendment, it would probably start with having good data on all the people who are openly practicing said Second Amendment and all their movements and where they're going and what they own and what they're shooting at all time so that maybe I could fucking,

I don't know, hack into their life and take it away? Yeah, sounds about right. Sounds about right. All right, let's play this video real quick. So this is over 100,000 of these cameras, tens of tens of billions of scans a month. Officers already caught abusing it. We've talked about that. They don't need your consent.

They just need you to keep driving past them. And here's what this young lady found. So I decided to go to the gun range today, you know, like an American. And tell me why there are black cameras. pointing into the entrance of the parking lot, not not the street, not the street, into the entrance so they can read every license plate that comes in here. Yeah, no, I love this. I love this.

I'm sure there's no ulterior motive behind this either. We live in a country where after awful terrorist attacks that still to this day have not been fully explained and we have a podcast coming on that at some point here by the way. But after awful attacks in 2001, we were able to then, we, the government was able to not let a good crisis go to waste and pass things like the Patriot Act and allow for secret FISA courts to underground, allow things to get passed for mass surveillance on U.S. citizens to where they took an example of people who did something bad and then subjected all of society to losing their constitutional rights. moving forward as a result because they wanted to do it under the guise of we're just trying to keep you safe this is the same exact vibes right here you know one time sometimes someone does something bad at a gun range or something like that's horrible you know someone they shoot somebody or or someone mentally ill gets on there and does something of course we've seen things in schools where there's mass shootings these are

horrible things no one's arguing that like oh we want that to happen of course you don't But they will use those crises to then set up things like this and then get everything else that they want as a result. And once you give up ground on the slippery slope, you cannot climb back up it. This is exactly what Edward Snowden warned about. And that is a guy whose takes and decision that we've covered many times on this show in many contexts, continue to age better and better over time. Edward Snowden famously, as I've said many times before, had two slippery slopes. One slippery slope was he was going to break his oath where he gave an oath that national security secrets and things that he had access to, he would agree not to release because it was a matter of national security.

And the reason that I have to say this is a balanced case. The reason that's a slippery slope is because the minute someone like him comes out for moral reasons and breaks that code, hypothetically, the next person could come out for moral reasons. it's something that's slightly less serious and then slightly less serious and so on down the road until anyone's leaking anything they don't like. That said, the other slippery slope was after, at this point, when he went to leak it over 10 years of the United States government fucking over the constitutional rights of you, me, and everybody, he saw and went through things behind the scenes to try to get this fixed. He saw that it was stonewalled and that it was getting worse and that that slippery slope was way farther down the slope. And he said that that one was worse than the one that he chose, and I agree.

And we're seeing it play out. So again, Garrett, you know, if the friend who reached out to my friend is to be believed, then like that's a thing and he wants to come on. I'm happy to do it. Jokes aside, this format, as I said, is different. I will sit here and have a conversation with you. But if you do it, you better fucking be ready to go. And like I said, Tommy G.

He'll be here and he'll be ready to go as well. And if you're not afraid of what you're not afraid of what you're. you're doing and you're not concerned about its implications on the American people and our rights and freedoms, then someone like you, Garrett, should have nowhere to hide. And you should be willing to sit down, not even necessarily with me, but with anyone with any kind of sizable platform who has righteous questions about this. And if you're that confident, you should be able to answer them to our satisfaction. So open invite. Right. That's what we do around here. Yep. Joey Dief, I think we got it. We just had another very long week.

I've been a lot of those. But good shit is always, my friend. Right back at you, brother. All right. Everybody else, you know what it is? Give it a thought. Get back to me. Please hit that subscribe button and the like button. The like button's huge on YouTube now. I appreciate all of you. Peace.

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