Julian Dorey Podcast - Julian Dorey Opens Up on his Health Scare...

Episode Date: December 18, 2024

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So, I started having serious problems right at like, I think it was like the very end of 2019, definitely by January 2020. And you know, to recount the podcast, like I started building this March 2020. So it was getting worse, right? And couldn't figure out what it was for a long time. And as I was those first like nine, 10 months from March until January 2021, it went off a cliff. Like it was, you know, I was in the ER in June 2020, couldn't breathe. I was like, what the fuck?

And I, you know, I had been training like a pro athlete for like seven years. Right. Before that, I had never trained before. I was built like a fucking slinky fuck. And then, you know, I worked my ass off. I, you know, did lift and cardio and box like crazy, like loved it. It was my outlet. And so when we got into the pandemic you had to do home workouts

and they sucked but like i could at least do some decent ones towards the beginning and then i actually went to the er after trying to work out downstairs and i was doing basic back rows to warm up and suddenly my left arm started i thought i was having a heart attack i was like what the fuck and i'm like the last guy who's like, take me to the ER. You know, I'm like, I'll just walk it off. I'm fine. And I was, and I went outside. I started, and I'm like, I said that my aunt was home.

I was like, you gotta take me to the ER. Like, I don't know what's going on. And at the ER, like eventually I like calmed down and I was like, maybe I'm having a panic attack. I was going to say that. But I'm like, at the time I felt so free. I was like working on something I loved, you know, life had forced me to take this fork in the road. And I was like, this is great.

Like I just recorded those first episodes like the week before. I was like, oh, this is cool. Like we're getting after it. And I'm like, yeah, it must just be panic attacks. I don't know why, but you know, I had been seeing doctors since like February. So what would happen to go back for a second in February, 2020, I went into a pulmonologist office, lung doctor. And I said, listen, man, cause I'm a bit of a hypochondriac. You know, I always like to watch my health. Like something could be wrong. I'm like, I'm really sorry if I'm wasting your

time. I'm probably wasting your time right now. I've had these weird symptoms the last couple months. So apologies in advance, but I just wanted to make sure he's like, no, no, tell me what's going on. So I go through my whole regimen and all these symptoms and stuff. And he's like, looking at me weird. Like, this is strange. You know, I would not be able to breathe out of nowhere. I would feel clogged up in my throat. I had mucus all over the place, whatever. And these are things I never dealt with. So in my workouts, like if, for example,

if I went to go do a basic chest press, it would feel like my chest was like was like creaking like in on itself right and he's like i'm glad you came this is strange he's like have you ever had a breathing test before i'm like the fuck is that and he's like oh okay it's a it's a little expensive but i really want to give you one i'm like cash or check let's go like you when it comes to my health, like even when I had no money, I'm like, whatever you need. Let's go. So I go take one of these tests. And the way they do it is they put you in a chamber and they have you do these like special breaths into this like tube.

And they measure it on a computer. And then they give you something called albuterol, which opens up your lungs. And they do the same exact breathing tests. And so what they want is both tests to match each other because then people, they know like the lungs are normal, meaning when it got help, when the lungs got opened up, it didn't perform any better or only a little bit better. Okay, understood. I take this test. I go back upstairs afterwards and he walks into the room. Now, mind you, this is like, I think I remember that this was like February 13th, 2020. So it's like a month before the pandemic. Right. Right. So COVID's a thing, but it's not really a thing yet.

But he walks back in the room with like a furrowed brow, like looking at the chart. And he's like, how'd you feel doing that? I'm like, I don't know. Like I'm fucking dying. Like, you know, I don't feel good. That's why I'm in here. And he's like, do you mind if I talk with my partner? Is that cool with you?

I just want to go through these. I'm like, yeah, no, I'm thinking like I got cancer now. I'm like, oh shit. So he leaves the room. He comes back five minutes later and he goes, okay. So when we do these tests, right? the second one with the albuterol, it opens up your lungs. And what we want to see is if you have normal lungs, the first test without the albuterol, you got at least 97% of the 100 that you get on the albuterol.

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Lungs that have maybe the earliest form of asthma are like 90 to 92. And then clear asthma are like 86 to 89. And really, he didn't say it like this, but really fucked up is below 86. He's like, you scored an 84. Jesus. And I was like, all right, I'm not crazy. Like something's wrong here. And he's like, to his credit, he didn't just rush to a conclusion. He's like, I'm not going to diagnose you with asthma today. He's like, this is, he's like, you really worked out. Like you said you have without any problems for all these years. I said, yeah, doc, like no problem. And now there's

problems. He goes, okay, I'm going to give you some basic inhaler stuff. And we're going to try that for the next like three weeks and just see if it helps the symptoms. And we're going to assess this over like the, I think he said like four to six months or something. I said, okay. So it gives me the inhaler and it helped. It got me from like, I had dropped down to like 60% capacity. It got me back up to like 85, 90. And I was like, oh, okay, maybe I have asthma. And I had an appointment with him like a week before the pandemic. And he's like, I want to keep, that's good. I want to keep monitoring this.

So then the pandemic hits. We know the story I've told on here before. Well, people listening don't, but I went back down to my parents' house in South Jersey, April 1st. And from April to June, off a cliff, ended up in the ER. And so one of the things that this pulmonologist had had me doing over those three months was starting to see other specialists to rule things out. So like the day the pandemic hit that morning, I was in with a cardiologist doing a stress test.

He's like, your heart's great. I was like, good, let's take that off. So he wanted me to see in a gastro to see if I had something wrong in my stomach. They couldn't find anything wrong in my stomach. This goes on and on and on. And as the podcast builds, I'm getting worse. And I actually remember the day where I was like, holy shit, maybe I'm dying. Like not to be dramatic, but it was so bad. It was the day you came to

do the podcast. That morning. Yeah. That was, that was January 4th, 2021. That morning I went in to do a boxing workout in my garage. It's my favorite thing to do. I can box all day. A standard boxing workout for me is after doing a full lift, I'm going to do 12, three minute and 20 second rounds on the bag with a minute break in between each. Like I could do this in my sleep and I couldn't, couldn't do it. And it was really scary. Like I was in a horrible mood before you came. And I'm like, I got this guy coming today. He's like coming two and a half hours for me. Great dude. This is a great connection. Wake up. Like we'll worry about this later and it just stayed at this level for the next two three months so I started seeing specialists again and eventually my grandfather's friend

was like the head of medicine at Jefferson so he gets me on the phone with him and I go and I meet with this guy awesome dude Dr. Cain shout out Dr. Cain and he went through on the phone with him and I go and I meet with this guy. Awesome dude, Dr. Cain, shout out Dr. Cain. And he went through all the different specialists and what they had found. And he's like, all these doctors are good. Everything they're looking at looks a hundred percent right. And he's like, all right, I want you to tell me the story of your life for the last year and a half. Just not medical, just like your life, where you've been, what you're doing.

And I'm just going to sit here and take notes and we're gonna see what we land on right and i got my mom in there with me i'm like what the fuck is that all right whatever so we start going through this whole thing and at one point i talk about how in november 2019 mind you i lived in north jersey my parents were in South Jersey. But November 2019, my parents got a golden retriever puppy. Now, I grew up with a golden retriever from he like looked up and looked to my right and he's like oh my god you're allergic to the dog oh no and i'm like look at my mom like no and he's like hear me out and so he's like i think you're allergic to like everything and your body was you you know, including dogs. And so when you were exposed to these things at such a young age, your body built up a tolerance and learned to fight it off. And so then your dog, your childhood dog dies at 18. He said, did you have a dog again after that?

I said, yeah, I had a pit bull in college. He goes, pit bull, short, short hair. It sheds, but like, it's nothing like a golden retriever he's like so you were mostly okay with that did he sleep in your bed i said no he's like okay he said have you had a dog since then i said no it's been like four or five years and he's like i'm telling you what happened here is your body had that it fought it off all those years and then it was out of your life and your body said, all right, good. It's gone. Don't bring that in again.

And now you brought it in again. And those four, those fortresses aren't there. And so what's happened is not only are you allergic to her, but all the allergies that you fought off, including grass, your body is now reacting to it all times. And you feel like you're done. You feel like, congratulations, you don't have cancer, but like you feel like you do, right? I'm like, yes. He's like, all right, you're not going to die.

You're good. I'm like, great. But I'm like, really? You think I'm allergic to everything? He's like, you're going to go see my allergist in two days. They're going to do a test on you. Watch. So when they go to do an allergy test on you, they basically lay you out and they put needles all over your body of all these

different substances that they put right below the skin right and they measure how big the reaction is so i don't need i don't know how the measurements work but you'll hear them you know after they let everything settle they'll go and they'll make the measurements on each one and they would go to like normal shit and they'd be like you know one by two one one by two and a half and then they'd get to like dust and it'd be like 487 by one i'm like oh shit holy shit and so then i like get up from the test and they're like doc's right you are allergic to everything and you have what's called eosinophilic asthma and i'm like what the fuck is that and they're like what happens is it's it in layman's terms your allergies cause a severe asthmatic reaction which shuts down your ability to breathe

and when you shut down your ability to breathe your entire immune system it's like a cascading effect shuts down and closes in on itself and attacks your body at all times and they're like so long as you live in the current house, you do without getting treatment on this, you're always going to have problems. Right. And I said, well, what are my options? And they said, well, you have to commit to allergy shots and there's not a guarantee it works, but there's a pretty high possibility. And I'm like, well, what does that comprise of? And they said, you have to do it every week for at least a year. And then every month after that, and you cannot miss even one. And I knew I was like, okay, this was shortly after I'd started to go viral. I've been working on this for now, well over a year. This was May

2021. And I was like, okay, I can't commit to that right now. I don't even own a car. I live in the woods with my parents. Like the closest doctor's office is going to be 15 minutes away i'm going to miss a week at some point right and this is all going to be a waste so i had no money so i'm like all right are there ways i can manage my symptoms to not be dying at all times from here on out they said yes so basically i i have the cleanest hands in America. You know, I have had, I've had to stop washing my hands so much. I still wash them a lot, but I used to wash them fucking 40 times a day, you know, and it helped a little bit. And I was, I knew I wasn't dying. So that was a great freedom because now over the next couple of years that I was still there in that house, like I knew I was going was gonna be okay but my health disintegrated down

and down and down and down and what i told myself is when i make it out of here i knew i was coming up north i'm like i'm gonna be close to a doctor's office no problem i'm gonna do this so when i got here to hoboken august 2023 my symptoms got the worst they ever got really my dude my skin was shot out i had clumps of hair falling out all over my body like my hair grew back this year all over my body from my head to my feet you're like great yeah yeah like like it was but like i can't even look at pictures of myself last fall like even when i came on here because you know i joined the gym and i would go in there three days a week at like you know either 10 a.m or like 8 p.m and the workouts were terrible

yeah because like i just you know couldn't do it and i had such a high bar for what i used to do that was like holy shit in the meantime i was going through that horrible period with the pot it was just like a lot coming your energy was off dude it was a hurricane yeah and i was just like oh my god so in coming here i was in those three months I was working with my office back home and the new one up here to get allergy shots like cooked or whatever they do and get ready to go so I started those at the end of November last year 2023 about three weeks after we recorded and the way they work is they said you won't see an effect from it for like the first at least two months, probably three. So I was still fucked up.

And you know me. You know what my schedule was like. My schedule was fucking wake up at 5 a.m. I'm sorry, wake up at 1030 in the morning. And the first two hours of the day sucked because I always had my worst symptoms. And then I'd get to work and I'd work till 4 or 5am and do it all over again. Terrible for your sleep, your body balance, all that shit. And I went home for Christmas in 2023 on like the 23rd. So on Christmas day, my parents are from by Philly. So my grandfather lives at the shore in ocean city, like an hour

away. Christmas day, we go to Ocean City with the family at like two o'clock, have a great time for like six hours. And I took a separate car from my parents because this was my life and this is how it was. And at eight o'clock, I said, I got to go. And I got in my car and I went back home. I was home by nine. I was in front of my computer by 915 and I edited episode 178 from 915 until 346 in the morning. Whoa. And at the end of that, my, you know, my skin's drooped. It's been drooped since before I did this. I feel like shit. I hate my life. You know, I love what I do, but I feel sick to my stomach. I'm fucking sneezing everywhere. I got all these problems and I just, I closed the screen. I was like, this ends right

now. This we're done with this. You know, I'm still, I'm, I'm only like three, four or five weeks into the shots. So there's no effect yet. I feel like dog shit. My whole body's fucked up, but I'm like, I'm driving back up there on the 27th to Hoboken on the 28th. I'm getting up at 6 50 AM by the end of 2024. I will be up at 6 25. I will be in the gym every morning, six days a week, including Saturdays, unless I get really fucked up on Friday night. Right. And it's going to suck for the first couple of months. Cause I'm still really fucked up. It's so bad that like I always liked wearing a hat in the gym. So it doesn't really matter to me. It's fine. That's usually what I did. But I have to wear a hat in my gym because the ceiling is like one of those false ceilings with like the dust all over it. And when I was first going in

there some days I wouldn't wear a hat like last fall. And after 15 minutes, I start sweating and dust is my worst allergy. Dust would get into my hair and suddenly my scalp would be on fire. Yeah, dude. So I'm like, I don't give a fuck. We're going to wear a hat in there. We're going to go in there and we're going to set the precedent and January is going to fucking suck. But if we can get to February, at some point there, it's going to start to get better. And it was so bad. Actually, I'll never show it to anyone, but I recorded a

video of myself at like three 30 in the morning in the beginning of January, because I woke up coughing, couldn't breathe, you know, like was clogged up and everything. And I was just so fucking miserable. And I was just like, I like i don't i'd never i don't even want to watch the video but i was like for like a half hour i was talking to myself and i just whipped out the camera just so i could have this if i needed it and i was like i've described and everything i felt like this this has got to stop this cannot go on like this like i can't live like this like i want to end it if i got to live like this. And you know, no one cares.

Like you, you got to put out your fucking podcast and do your job. Walking. Someone flies into town to be with you. You better do your fucking job. So how am I going to feel better to do my job? Cause somehow I was doing the job at a pretty high level, but I knew a lot of my fuck outs were because I was like,

you know, like dead in there. You know, I would, I would, I would be like, Oh, make sure you drink your coffee while you're having this. Cause you're going to die. Like you're going to fall asleep on the fucking podcast. And so I got through January and then I got the time down. I started like, I think it was like six 55. I got the time down to like six 45 by like February 1st. And then in the end of February, I started to feel small effects from the shots. I was like, Ooh, I'm not dying with some of the dust. Like, okay.

And so March I started to turn it up and March we recorded a lot of podcasts and I felt the best I've ever felt. I just walked into him. I was like, like, I remember we did Tommy G in like, I think that was like the 20th or something. And that was at like eight o'clock at night on a weeknight. And I was like, at the end of that, I was like, oh, that was fire. And like, I felt amazing the whole time. You know what I mean? Like, I just had a long day.

I said, oh, this is going to get better. And like, you know, there's a lot of things to complain about in the medical community these days with certain things going on. We all know that. Um, I call it both ways when I see stuff. And I got to say, like, I'm forever grateful for what I've been able to get because I've gotten my life back this year and it's made me, I can't even watch podcasts from a year ago. It's terrible compared to what it is now because I'm firing on all cylinders. You know, it's crazy. I thought it was the ayahuasca when he came back here and you were in the studio for that. And I was like, what the fuck is Julian on that? This guy is why he is so locked in the way you told a story. I was

like mesmerized and so impressed. And I remember seeing you again in August when it just wasn't a shitty time for you in general. And I was like, man, this is not the same guy. I was like, let me get some of that ayahuasca. But I guess it wasn't the ayahuasca. Look, the ayahuasca was a separate thing. No, I know. But you came with a different, you were a different man. And sometimes, again, like with life, and I'm not going to get religious,

but you got to feel really, really shitty sometimes. Just appreciate how normal feels. life and I'm not going to get religious, but you got to feel really, really shitty sometimes. Just appreciate how normal feels like you're walking around feeling like, you know, God is great, but it just, that's how normally everybody is. Like that's just not being sick. And so for you, like you feeling sick, it's just a blessing to feel normal now. And I get that for sure. Like being able to go to the gym and, and work out really, really hard. What a blessing that is for you. It's dude, I'm so grateful for it. Like this, this sounds corny, but like sometimes I'll leave the gym and I'll say like, thank you to my body.

That's not corny at all. Like, like, like, cause, cause like genuine, like probably three out of five workouts. You think it was my last workout ever. The way I fucking work in there. I'm working my dick off in there and I love it because I feel good. Right. Eventually you look better too. I put on like 20, 25 pounds this year.

You do look, you look way healthier. Thank you. But like, you know, that's a nice benefit. But like for me, my job isn't to be fucking David Goggins. My job is to be great on a podcast. So however I feel mentally, whatever gets me there, in this case, exercise is the number one help and eating, eating clean. It's another thing I've done this year. Like whatever gets me there, I'm happy with.

And it's, that has been a cool process. Cause it's not like I wasn't, it sounded like I took for granted working out or whatever. Right. I worked out hard for like seven, eight years. Cause I loved it. It was a part of my day. It's where I got all my energy out. But then when it's taken from you out of nowhere, you're like, oh my God. And I just watched my body disintegrate. Like not,

not even just like, oh, your muscle came off. More important than when you see your skin dead, you know, your eyes drooped at all times. Like, like I said,

I can't even look at videos from like, thank God we were using shittier cameras. Cause like, it was I said, I can't even look at videos. Thank God we were using shittier cameras. Because it was not, like I wouldn't fuck me. I'll be honest with you. It was just, it was nasty. Yeah, you look way, you look healthier now. What is your daily routine now? So I wake up at 6.25.

I'm religious about this. It's the same thing every day. I walk into, so I sleep like I'm going to fucking invade a third world country. Right. I got actually huge hack. I know this sounds like not heterosexual, but just hear me out. You know, Louisa Nicola, have I told you about her? No. She's the neurophysiologist genius.

I had on my podcast one time. Was she brunette or blonde? Brunette. Yeah. Yeah. I watched that one. She gave, I met her back in like February or March. And she told me at the end of February, she goes, we were talking about my cortisol problems.

What the, she was saying something. And now I'm like, she said something on my podcast that was like, wow, I got to listen to this girl more. Dude. She says a lot. She's very smart. But I, one of the severe, I didn't mention this one, one of the severe side effects of everything that was going on between my health and then the work I was doing and my schedule, you know, going to bed at five, waking up at 10 is the amount of cortisol in my system. Yeah, bro. And it was, it was making that immune problem three times as bad. And so early in the

year, even in February, I started feeling better, right? A little bit. My cortisol was still spiked and jacked at all times. You know, like I, you know, I rub my hand and fucking hair would come off my hand kind of thing. And you know, Louisa's in my place and she's visiting the studio. Are you healthy this time? I'm getting there, but I'm not there. This is February, I think. And so she can see my place and she lives in New York. So she knows how New York is.

It's always lit up. And so she comes in the kitchen. She sees the fucking, the skylight, which by the way, that was like one of the reasons I picked this place. You saw where I was living for three and a half years. It was a dark fucking shut off studio back in the woods. There was no light coming in. I'm like, I want a lit up place. Right.

So I had the skylight there. I have the skylight above my bed in that room. And like I said, it's New York. It's lit up at all times. There's little light sequences always coming in. It's the city that never sleeps. Even if you think it's the city that never sleeps even if you think it's not much light your body does which i wasn't aware of this science very well obviously

and she said julian do you sleep with an eye mask and i was like what am i gay like no i don't fucking sleep with an eye mask and she's like oh man i'm 40 but like she's like julie she's australian she's like you must sleep with an eye mask that was an english accent but whatever it's still good like like she's like you must sleep with an eye mask and i'm like louisa that's a bridge too far where i'm like i'm already sleeping with the nose strip oh you do oh dude i work out with the nose strip every day i will not work i feel dumb at this point i'm used to it it feels dumb but like you breathe you breathe that much better oh dude i'm gonna start trying game changer really i will

never not work out with it again i wear it to physical therapy sometimes really yeah but like you know so she's like wear this eye mask and i'm like bridge too far and she's like suit yourself keep having your cortisol problems you know like female challenging you i'm like well fuck you i'll try it yeah so i order one on amazon and after a week i was like it takes one night with a sleep mask to be like i'm sleeping with the shit on every night i will too i slept with it in the amazon yeah i'm blaming bro where there's canopies blocking the sun yeah i'm like i don't care I did ayahuasca. I had a fucking sleep mask with me.

That's great. Right. Like it, that was the last thing in addition to everything that was going on that has helped put this over the top. And it's like all these little things just kind of came together and helped me out. She was the one that said,

you're probably over drinking water, right? No, too much. Well, well, well, that was one of the, she's like you know that could be because i've always had bladder problems she's like that could be part of it i'm like no it's hereditary and she's like because

i've had family members who have it too she's like okay that could explain it but like i do we were we started this with my routine so what i was saying was oh yeah let me get back to that yeah joe's gonna get mad at me when i when i sleep let me set a question because joe gets mad what is julian dora what for the clip what do you need what do you need for me now i know what do Wait, let me get back to that because Joe's going to get mad at me for not sleeping. When I sleep. Wait, let me set a question because Joe gets mad. What is Julian Dora? What? For the clip. What do you need? What do you need from me now?

I know. What do you need from me now, this guy? What do I do? Don't worry about it. Just let it flow. So, John. So, John. I know.

Don't edit this. Leave this just like this. No, don't edit it. This is good. So, John, you want to know my morning routine? Yes. Okay. My morning routine is I wake up like I just invaded a third world country.

I got a black eye mask on. I got a nose strip on. I now sleep with mouth tape too. Another game changer. Yeah, I know. Imagine me shutting my mouth. Hard to do. But anyway, so I get up.

I rip off the mouth tape. I take off the nose strip, stick it in the trash can in my kitchen. You've been in my place, so you can picture this. I walk back into my closet back there into the bathroom. I'd set my bed. It's like the first thing I do before I do it. And then I fucking throw on my clothes, throw on my sleeve, and come back into the kitchen with my shoes and socks.

And over the next five to six minutes, the first thing I do is in one of those solo cups, I, I, I drip a thing called Moulin. I'm definitely not pronouncing that right. It's M U L L E I N. Yeah, I guess. But what it does is it helps open up your lungs. So it's like a, it's, it's like, it's just a dye that goes in water. And I drop that in. I pour the water full. It's about 12 to 13 sips. I take that over the next five to six minutes. I have that jug of water right there, which is like 130 ounces when full. I take 21 sips, 16 sips and 11 sips. And it's really 22, 17 and 12. But the first one doesn't count because i have ocd

so while i'm putting on my shoes i do this and that's about 60 to 70 ounces of water right away in the morning okay so let me tell you something about this you're gonna take the best shit of your life when it cleans that you think coffee cleans out your system, bro. You ain't never seen anything healthy like this. So by the end of that, I'm prairie dogging some right back to the bathroom, take a wicked shit. Sorry for the visual, everybody. That's okay. Then I do probably the most disgusting thing I have to do that I do in the morning and at night, but is incredible. I use a saline rinse in the sink and I clean out both of my sinuses. I brush my teeth, use a little mouthwash and then throw on a nose strip, try to take one more shit.

And then I roll out to the gym. And when I get to the gym, I've walked about six blocks. So if I have any shit left over, I take a quick shit. There's a common, common thread here. So I take quick shit there. And then I am, and while I'm doing my morning routine, I stretch a little bit too. Like this while I'm walking around and stuff because when I get to the gym, I'm shot out of the cannon. I fucking walk out of that locker room. Let's go. Right. I'm gonna lift for an hour. I'm gonna do my 23 minutes and 30 seconds of cardio or box, whatever that's going to be, which is gonna be longer than my abs. And like we're getting after it for like 100 to 120 minutes. And that's how I start my day. And then when I get back, you know, I'll start going about my day, I try to schedule

calls, like right then in the morning, because I can take a walk right after that, which kind of loosens me up after a hard workout. And I'm just, you know, and then the rest of the day is a forest fire. Because as you know, there's a million things still going on. And, you know, some days I'm recording, other days I got to edit and I got to schedule this guy. That's still a mess. I got to figure all that out. But the difference of having that schedule and having my like my body back on a clear routine has physiologically changed the game for me. And it's, it's like the greatest. Yeah. 2024 was the year of like investing in my health and back in me. And it has graduated up to the podcast too. Do you eat? Yeah, I do. I, I, I've intermittent fasted for like

eight years. I haven't had breakfast since the Vietnam war, I think, but you know, I, I eat, I eat, I'm boring during the week. Cause one my other things is like I already have so many decisions to make during the day. I don't want to devote any decision making, if possible, to anything that's not my business. Right. So when I eat lunch, I have the same thing. I have a fucking chicken breast with olive oil and oregano. You know, if I deadlifted that day or boxed that day, I have two same thing. I have a fucking chicken breast with olive oil and oregano. If I deadlifted that day or boxed that day, I have two chicken breasts. I fill up a bowl of broccoli, olive oil and oregano. I have a honeycrisp apple, an avocado, a banana, and some cashews. That's my lunch every day. And that's usually my dinner too, except instead of an avocado.

And I won't have cashews. I'll have fucking nonfat Greek yogurt with chia seeds, which also, you know, like avocados and chia seeds help your digestive system. Which again, common theme. Big time. 100%. That's why in the morning we're flowing, baby. Okay. Got it.

The water, the chia seeds. I mean, sometimes, you know, it's like a sprinkled shit not to get to you know that's all right it is what it is but yeah i that's something i've done this year and then you know on the weekends we'll fuck around a little bit sometimes you know you're going out doing things living a social life like you know i'm not one of these people it's like counting calories at a fucking restaurant no i don't even count calories doing these meals or anything like that i can't be like that you just count your sips. I count my sips of water in the morning and I know where the level is

that it needs to be at to make sure that I drank enough. But that's why, like when I roll into the gym, I'm ready. You're ready. I'm fucking. I don't think I've ever once heard

a more in-depth morning routine. And I should have known. Could you imagine though, a year ago, me. Right. Me doing that. No. even my mom's like holy shit but look but again it's just like the anchor to your day it's done by 10 a.m or whatever it may

be like now you're ready to go and now you can kind of fuck up not that you're fucking around but the forest fire doesn't feel as overwhelming because you've got at least something locked in for that day yes there are there are when i when i have those stressful moments that happen every day, they're more manageable because my brain's not rotted. It doesn't feel like I have to throw a Hail Mary every time someone's coming in to record a podcast. Like, dude, every time someone came in, it was the same story as the day you first came. It was like, oh, I feel like dog shit.

All right. I remember you had to stop mid podcast i forget why once it was very close with matt lacroix actually with matt lacroix i had to pause for a second i just said i had to go to the bathroom but i went into the bathroom and like laid on the floor that was july 2023 jesus right before i came it was my body when it got up when i got up to hoboken it was so it had had enough. It was so bad. I would, I would literally call my mom. I'd be out on the street in Hoboken, like running out of my apartment, like couldn't breathe. And I'd be like, I don't know, like, like getting to CVS, trying to get an emergency inhaler or something. It was so bad. And then all this shit happened that we already talked about last November with the podcast at the same time. So the stress was through the, it was so bad. So I'm so grateful to have it where it is this year and, you know, have a lot of those problems fixed. And like 2024 has been the year of getting my health back.

And, you know, the elephant in the room is that hopefully 2025 is the year of really getting my life back you know like the life i had before i did this that was a lot of fun i mean i never had any money or anything but you know i worked very hard it wasn't like i was fucking around but you know i played very hard too i was the what city are we in guy every weekend. And it's like that to do what I've done. I knew coming into it. I said this, I verbalized this to like my parents, to people close to me, you know, you know, that you're going to get all the unexpected, the things you cannot plan for. But I said the one like broad thing that I just know in my bones, because of how difficult

breaking into space like this is going to be, is that the first three to five years, I need to assume I have zero life. And that has proven to be correct because we're coming up on five years. And I've had more of a life since I got up to Hoboken. You know, I'm in New York City, go out a little bit, we have a good time but it's not like i want to be at a point where i'm doing that every weekend no matter what not going out and getting blacked out or being an asshole but having fun with friends at all times turning off the clock because i can right and knock on wood it feels like we're not far from there and maybe if i get back to that i'll get myself back a little bit i I don't know. I think so. You see the,

The Rock was on that podcast with, was it Speed, the guy's name? I Show Speed? I Show, no, yeah, maybe.

No, I forget what the guy's name is. I think it's Speed. And he asked him, I gotta look it up before I keep going. But he basically asked him the question because he's going through his whole routine and whatever.

And he's like, do you have fun? And The Rock's like, whatever and he's like do you ever have fun and the rock's like what he's like do you have fun he's like well uh what do you consider fun he's like no do you have do you enjoy anything and it was like an introspective moment for the rock he went on reflected on it he posted a story he's like as on this podcast and this guy asked me the question, do I have fun? And I realized I have to take a step back and enjoy the moment. And now he's relaxing for the first time. But he went on again and talked about it because you get caught up in the moment. You don't want to lose what you have and you're working so goddamn hard.

But it's like, what is the point of all this if you can't take a step back and be like, I'm going to enjoy a weekend or I'm going to enjoy the people I'm with. And it's not about just getting hammered on the weekend and now doing things that are going to be disadvantageous to the business, but it's about enjoying and like rejoicing in it. Like, Hey, I had a really good podcast day. Let's go celebrate with whatever it may be that you want to do to celebrate. But having that little accomplishment moment for yourself, I think is very important, especially for you because you're very serious. Yeah. I mean, I, and that's the thing. I'm not a speedy is the guy's name you you know you know me i'm not like a serious guy i'm a fucking that's not how i'm naturally wired right but you're 100 right in doing this it's been so serious and like

you know there's weird things that happen in life we talked about some of the story before i need to rehash it but like one of the things i don't know if I told you this but the day Kobe Bryant died was really like the day this was born but I had had my buddy's wedding that I was in the night before so we were just hammered and then I had a job to do that day media work and I was like oh shit so I go back I was in South Jersey so I go back to my parents' house. Cause I was still living up in North Jersey at the time. And I was like, all right, I need to like get a workout and to sweat this out so I can be a normal person for my buddy Ty later. And cause he was like doing like a big event and wanted me to do some stuff on camera

with him. I'm like, I need to be good. So I'm doing this workout. And one thing I'll do maybe every six, seven months in the gym for about three, four weeks, I'll switch it up and I'll have like this playlist of videos of, you know, the cool Hans Zimmer music in the background and dudes talking to you. So it'll be everything from like Ray Lewis to like Eric, Eric, the hip hop preacher to Conor McGregor to, you know, these guys who just, when they start talking, you start listening, you know? And so at the time there was this video that had dropped like maybe about five months, I think it was August, 2019. Kobe did an onstage interview with Patrick, but David and to Patrick Bet-David's credit, it was the best

interview Kobe Bryant ever did by a lot. Like not, maybe it was an hour long, something like that. Like the interior of the Mamba's mind and mentality that people got out of that was insane. So someone had made like an 11 minute and 37 second-ish like cut with music of some of the shit he said in this thing. And on January 26, 2020, while I was doing that workout, I was listening to that and the text came through that he died, which was, you know. Yeah. And I had just started listening to this like three days before. I hadn't thought about Kobe Bryant in a while. And I was like, whoa.

But one of the things he said in there is Patrick Pet David was like, so tell me, like your friends around you, do they, you know, you work so hard. Like, like you have to go away. You have to disappear. Like, do they, do they understand this? And he's like, some of them do. And some of them don't. But like the people who love you stay, but make no mistake about it. That time you go to do this, it's lost. It's gone. You don't,

you don't get that back. You know, you can try to make up for it afterwards, but when you're in there, when you have a goal that so few people have, and you're working for it and grinding for it, the people who are closest to you will understand, but there will still be a serious loss there for both of you, for both sides of that equation. And I remember that night at like 10 o'clock driving home after we did the media work and people had come up to me afterwards, like, you got to do a podcast, man. And this is where it was like kind of born. And I just drove home to North Jersey, like in silence. And I was just thinking about it. And it was such a weird day. Cause like, you know, Kobe was a Philly guy and I was a huge fan and you know, it's so tragic how he died and everything.

It was just unbelievable. But I was like, I thought about that and I was, you know, I was like crying in the car, you know, just over the day and over where my life was. And I said, well, if I did a podcast, I'd do it right. And let's start planning this a little bit. And that's what I, that's when I started working on it. And I knew going, like I said, I verbalized it to people. I'm like, I know I'm going to have to go away for a while. And to the credit of many of my friends and family members, I've had a lot to people. I'm like, I know I'm going to have to go away for a while. And to the credit of many of my friends and family members, I've had a lot of people who have been unbelievably supportive of that, who at least understand me.

And they've been cool with that because like it was a switch up. I went from like, you know, Jules, who was always around doing his thing to, oh yeah, he's working. Right. But, you know, it's things when we always focus on the people who don't won't. But at some point there, yeah, you want to smell the roses a little bit. You want to live life. You want to like get there. And I've lived more of a life, like I said, over the last year being up here, because I will tell you when I moved up here, part of what made me able to do what I do

is I had had such an interesting life in so many different places with so many different people having access to so many different things that that would come through in the podcast. And as I got farther and farther away from that doing the podcast, suddenly you didn't have those experiences and you couldn't just keep drawing water from the same well. So, you know, coming up here is replenish that a little bit, but I want to be at a point and I got to earn this to where like, you know, it's four 30 on Friday. Don't fucking call my phone until Monday. I'm out, you know, like I'm going to, I'm going to go do my thing with people I love, do what I want to do. And, you know, that, that has definitely like, it's affected my happiness to not have that consistently at this point. And it's affected my, like, we talked about my ability with people with how my job affects it. And that's true true but it also affects how how deeply i build relationships because i like i don't want to burden people with what i do and it stops me from you know going going as far with yeah yeah definitely definitely stops me with that and that that's a source of unhappiness for sure. The burden one. That's a, I, I just saw somebody speaking about the beauty of love and like

relationships is allowing somebody to feel that burden and carry that burden with you. And when you don't, you're actually, you're doing them a disservice because like they want to, in a weird way, they want to feel your pain. They want to help you through this pain. And when you're not giving people that opportunity, you're right. You're never, you're shutting them out. You know, they, they don't just want to be there for your wins. They want to be, if they truly care about you, want to be there when you are feeling down or going through some shitty times. And now everything you're saying is kind of coming full circle. It's making a lot of sense why you feel the way you feel. We just talked about it in reverse.

If we had somebody that's never been on camera and with a mic in front of them before, they could be great off, but they're going to be a little bit shell shocked when they get on the podcast. You're doing the same thing to yourself. You're not having fun. You're not having regular conversations and building real relationships with people off the camera. So you're not, you're not used to it anymore. Or outside of business. Right. If it's not, if it's not in the realm of business for you, it's like, I don't know where to start. It's like trying to write after not writing for five years. You know, it just feels unnatural. You've done it for so long and you can get it back relatively easily. It's just about going and doing it. And it just starts with doing just like, it's going to be

awkward and uncomfortable. The first time you film, it's going to be awkward and uncomfortable. The first time you go and have a casual non-business conversation with a girl or a guy you just met or a friend from wherever you know and talking about nothing i just you know and especially like with women like there's been some great girls along the way here not like a ton like i'm you know me i'm fucking busy so it's not like i'm fucking someone every weekend that does not happen to be clear like there's people who think like you do this job like oh you just make me get so much pussy i'm like yeah where we can now but like you know they're all great but i don't let them in because i don't want to like i have a lot of love to give and i do give it to other people it's part of why i'm

good at what i do yeah right i'm like everyone's hype man that's that's what i always love to do now i just get to do it on camera right and actually make a living out of it but like off camera too i'm everyone's hype man how can i help this person how can i do this because that's just that's what gets me off in life but with love it can't just be you're willing to give all of it you have to be willing to receive it and a huge error on my part or whatever it is flaw is that for a long time now i've been unwilling to receive it. And, you know, you also, especially if you're talking about women, you got to have the right girl come into your life, right?

We're not 24 anymore. You know, back then it's like, you know, whatever. Who cares? You're at a point now when you hit 30 where you're like, oh shit, if the right one walks in, this could be the last one. Like, you know, know we're gonna have kids or something like that and you know you can sit there and be picky about it or you can also just be like i'm not there yet so you don't want to be burdened with me and that's that's what i do and like i and i don't want to i'm sure none of them are watching this but like to some of the past

women i don't want to talk them down at all. They're fucking awesome. But like they haven't, none of them have been it. Right. And that even more makes it the easiest cop out ever for me to be like, you need to get away from me. Yeah. You know, like, like this, I work all the time. You're a great girl.

You know, go find someone that doesn't do that. And at some point that's got to change i let people in man you know it's it's scary because of what you do in the life you live is very different like what's the worst that happens a girl gets in and now she's burdening you or maybe the opposite like what if now she's helping you through these times and you feel way better about yourself and you're even more motivated like nothing's gonna motivate you more than a fucking girl that you love no i don't think anything does you ever been in love when i was uh 17 for sure i didn't know what love was and that's the only thing i but you know you were in love i knew that if given the opportunity would have stayed with that girl forever like that was all i cared about it was the first girl that i was like this is the

one i don't see flaws in her. I don't look at other women like this. Cause it's like my first time. And, um, that was it. I was good. And now you open yourself up to the world and the checklist starts coming out. Like who's opportunity cost wise, who's better for you and who's not. And they start analyzing a lot more, which in reality, it is a feeling at the end of the day. It doesn't matter if they check off all the boxes. If you don't feel the type of way that you felt, that's not the one. And then, you know, a couple of the times where you're like, it could be, but I now think because of our age, I don't think it's going to smack us in the face as it once did when we were young, because we have all these different things we're thinking about. Maybe it

smacks you in the face for a second. You're like, wait a minute, hold on. I have a lot going on. Is she aligned with my values? Is she aligned with alive my lifestyle so you take a step back whereas you're young 17 years old you get smacked with love you're like this is great you know but when you were 17 that was the only time you were ever in love uh yeah i mean i want to say girls have definitely in no i will not say the only time i've definitely had girls my later stage of life that same day they're listening um that have impacted me and i've had a really big role and that you would know if you were in love bro in love is a weird feeling man yeah i think it's one of those things where you don't know why you feel a type of way and now i feel like like back

then it was a feeling with no reason behind that feeling now i'm like am i in love because i know what maybe this girl could do for me you know what i mean i think you look at these things a little bit differently and that's where for me, like I got to take a step back and let it just happen. Why didn't it work out with the girl at 17? I think that was a good question. I, um, God, if she's fucking listening to this. Um, so I dated her in high school, senior, junior, senior year. I don't know, man. i got a taste of like what i thought life was gonna be like you know what i mean like the grass is always greener type of thing and i was like i want to give that a shot and then i soon realized that um life wasn't what i thought it

was gonna be you know the college lifestyle and i kind of went back to her and i was always chasing different things it was definitely not her like she there. She was a ride or die loyal, was sick in hospital for a really long time. Um, she was there every night sleep with me and I let it go. Like I, I for sure was the reason that that didn't keep going and progressing. You never tried to make that work again. Now it's just, it's, we're in the same relative friend groups and it's, I feel like it's too far gone personally. You're in the same friend groups now that's yeah we yeah we have mutual friends and um yeah listen no disrespect to her at all i think she's a great girl i think we both know we're not aligned now as as maybe we could have grown

together but i think now are you not aligned now we're so we're so different than what we once were and i don't think if we met today we'd be like oh we just don't gel have great conversation but not uh time and place kind of yeah i do think that i always thought the opposite i always thought man if we met later in life we'd be the ones for each other and now i'm like maybe it's me maybe i'm like that was a long time ago though too 17 years old fucking long time ago so like do you remember what that feels like though yeah i would i would recall i will say i've had two girls that when i walked in the room and met them for the first time, I was like, whoa, same feeling that I met that I had with that girl. Now, what do you call that? Do you call that in love?

That's the only way I would understand to like explain that feeling. You know what I mean? Like what else would you call that? But I think being in love is more of like an overtime thing an overtime thing exactly it can't be an overnight thing so i i don't know this is just how i've always defined it is i think this is all totally subjective but to me there's there's two layers of love there's in love and then below that layer also very important is like love right in love to me and i know exactly what that feeling is. I know exactly when I felt it. I know why I felt it to an extent, you know, and just it's the greatest, most powerful feeling ever.

But like in love takes at least you got to know him. You got to get to know him. Usually there's something physical involved there too, in all seriousness. Like, you know, you get to that point where you're like, holy shit, I would run in front of a bus for this girl, no questions asked and do it with a smile on my face. Right. But below that is just love. And this is, to me, this has always been a special thing because this is the thing that is just biological evolutionary. I don't know what it is, but it's just right. And I always say this, I've only ever lived between my two ears. So I can only tell you how I see things, but hearing other people's experiences, human stories

and whatever, it sounds like this is a phenomenon that like a lot of men, at least talking from our side of the gender will get, which is just where, for whatever reason, you know, when you lock eyes with a girl, usually for the first time, or maybe, you know, you've been around her or locked eyes with her a few times, but then like that moment hits, time stops for a second. And you're just like, I really can't explain this, but my soul and her soul are tied together. And the best part is when that then has the opportunity to graduate to being in love, which I have experienced a few times before. And to me, that second layer is the greatest gift that a human being can have. And that's why I get hard on myself for not letting that happen. Cause it's been a long time

since I felt that I did have some other stuff, but like, as far as being fully in love, it's been a long time and the older you get and the more life experience you get and missed opportunities, fucking up, overthinking things, whatever, the more you wonder if you're ever going to get that again. Yeah. And I was going to, I knew you were going to say that. And the answer between you now versus 10 years ago or whenever you were in love is like you have this obsession that you never had prior. You're obsessed with what you do, which is beautiful. But that does take priority in the brain. Like if all you thought about was that, again, take my 17-year-old as an example. I thought about football and this girl. That was it.

That's all I cared about. Now, I have this obsession I have with the brand and growing. It's so exciting and I love it. A girl is secondary to that. Like, oh, yeah, you're cool. I have with the brand and growing is so exciting. And I love it. A girl's secondary to that. Like, oh yeah, you're cool. They're second to Joe and Dan. Right.

Like these guys, right. Everything I'm trying to build is so much greater than my random girl that I'm meeting for the first time. So it is hard. Like you got to open the door and let these people in. And I do think they can happen simultaneously. Like, I think the excuse of i'm so busy we know it's just an excuse like if the right girl walked in the room we would know it um but you have to

work on it like i'm sure and i think the biggest regret is the feeling of you let the right girl walk because you were so it's the worst you're so obsessed with what you do and that's all you care about the worst even before i did what i did like that's the worst fucking feeling. Because I also don't, and this is just something I got to be aware of with myself, on those rare occasions where like you have that look, right? This happens maybe once every three, four, five years. Yeah. Right?

The times they graduated were because they made the right moves, not me. Because I don't know how to handle that. And there were a couple, I'm saying the last five, six years, that it's like, I just fucked it up. Everything that makes me great at what I do do out the window, bye-bye. You know, I'm just like, how do I even, how do I talk to this perfect human being? Yeah. And it's just, it's, it's like such a curse. Cause you're just like, Oh my God, I just saw inside your soul. It's perfect. You know? Yeah. But that's, you know, I, I, I listen, like I said, I only ever lived between my ears,

but I think a lot of guys listening can probably relate to that on some level at some point with some girls, you know, you, you put pressure on yourself and then, you know, you're not yourself. And hopefully you can get around those flaws and eventually you find the right one. But, you know, you also, and I'm a real believer in this. You cannot go out and go looking. You can't be like, I'm going to go fall in love. I'm going to believer in this you cannot go out and go looking you can't be like I'm gonna go fall in love I'm gonna go find my wife that is that's that you're gonna be in divorce court in three years if you ever even get to the fucking marital part of it right and it's like you gotta let life happen but to your point and this is where I gotta do some soul searching when life is kind of

walking in a little bit you gotta say yeah say, yeah, come through the door. That's exact. I think a lot of men, when you get to our age, you don't have a girl that like, you know, is the one you operate and you move with like this fear of lack. And so you're going through life. You're like, I need a girlfriend. Why you say you need one? Cause you don't have one. So now you're telling yourself. And again, if you believe in God or the universe that I don't have this thing and I'm destined to never have this thing right and i need it please please i need it you're gonna move so different as opposed to saying like i have an abundance of this thing i'm just waiting for the right one and and to seize the opportunity and i think you and i are like we know and acknowledging that we are not letting them in the way that we probably should right you know and it'll happen i think it'll happen when we when we're really ready for yeah

when we when we least expect it and we're truly ready for that. And maybe that's today, maybe that's tomorrow, maybe it's next year, but who, who really knows? What's the number one thing you look for in a girl? See, again, I've had checklists, jumping like this. I don't want the checklist. I want just the feel. The one you got, you gotta be like very, you gotta be like, and unique is such a cop-out, but I want something different than what average really is and it's not like i need something special i need excitement like i need to be intrigued but i want to have a conversation and and really ponder what the fuck you just said because it's so different than what however other girls think

and every girl kind of like touts herself as i'm different but i mean a girl like really moves a little bit differently and thinks differently and of course I want her morals to be in check and her to be very wholesome and only have eyes for me. But other than that, like I need you to be a little bit different than, than the pack, you know? Yeah. What about you? I'm an eyes guy, right? Like, I don't just mean that like physically, like there's a lot of girls with beautiful eyes. I pass them on the street all the time. It's like, oh, love you. Right? But there's, you know, what I do is I sit across from people for three, six hours at a time.

And I try to look into their soul and understand where they're at. So, like, I really live on that. And for me, it's like the old Al Pacino line, like, the eyes never lie, Chico. It's very true. Like, if you're watching them for real you know like you and i were talking off camera about some people earlier who turned out to not be what they said and like me i was like oh i should have known you should have known and you know for me like there is there is one thing that cannot be faked period end of story no one

i've i've i don't i don't think i've ever seen a male fake it but it's less of like that male gene it's more i'm talking more about females with this if you have a deep intense kindness in your eyes it is the most attractive thing ever like when it's in your bones in your soul comes right through your eyes which are the windows to the soul and i melt when i see that like it fucking stabs me in the heart i have no idea what to do with it because evolutionarily, like even when I was 22 and just thinking about like, Oh, let's go get pussy or whatever. Like you're attracted to that and you don't realize it at the time, but you realize it

when, when you're my age now, which is you're looking at eyes and you're like, if I procreated with this woman and my kids looked at those eyes, would they have just hit the fucking lottery? It's like, of course they would. That's a really a good way to put it how do you want your kids to look at yeah their mom one day 100 there's there's a huge difference like not to be like crude about it but this is a difference that i was late to the party on for sure and i've kind of realized that over the last year there is just a thing there's a girl you sleep with and there's a girl you marry and there are two different things very different and i think i just you know selectively ignored that for a long time i probably knew it but was like oh no she's

great yeah she's the one you know it's not you know and you you know that difference it's so fucking clear man yeah i'm not let's have an expert on yeah and talk about it totally everything that i'm good at out the window that's right that's how you know like the right one's gonna really improve your life because it's how much of an impact they have on you you know what i mean and they better talk to me that's all it's gonna be for the better man what's up guys if you want to check out this full podcast it was on my my buddy, John Rondi show, which is also called the John Rondi show. He's got an amazing podcast. He's been doing it for a while. You may recognize him from Tik TOK, Instagram, and YouTube for years now as Johnny drinks, but he's got a lot of great guests on there. And we did this episode

as well as one over the summer where I recounted my entire trip to the Amazon with Paul Rosalie, which was a lot of fun. So be sure to hit the links at the top of my description to go check those out and toss John a subscribe. Thank you.