Julian Dorey Podcast - NASA, Lindsay Clancy, The Moonlanding & Anthony Weiner’s Laptop | Danny Jones • 470

Episode Date: September 1, 2026

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I was not surprised to see one China Danny having fucking Professor Jang. Are we started now? Are you finally ready? Yeah, yeah, we're ready. Yeah, we're ready. Had the shower. We've been talking about smoking cigarettes for the last 20 minutes. We'll wait for you to do your hair and put your bathroom.

That's right. I'm glad we're back. That's right. Yes, I had a podcast with Professor Jang, aka the Chinese Billy Carson. I didn't make that up, but I didn't come up with that, by the way. That was a comment on Twitter that I read. That's awesome. Well, you were the guy to launch Billy Carson, so that's on me.

Fuck you, dude. I think Jang's a little bit better than Billy Carson. You got to give him a little bit more credit. I think he's right about some stuff, but most of the shit, he's, you know, he's way out there. He's like a mix between Carson and Metzger, I think. Oh, Carson Metzger across that. Billy Carson, a Billy Carson, Kurt Metzker hybrid. That sounds like I'm not high enough.

From China. You sweep the fucking studio for. bugs after that though? Oh, fuck yeah. Right. Now, how do you sweep? You have like a metal detector? Like, what do you do? I call in this guy named Jeremy Riss and he flies down from Boston and he's got a DARPA sweeper

and he runs around my whole office. Checking under the chairs, he rips the chairs apart, make sure there's no one. Did I send you that clip when he did that on my podcast? When after you had the Kiriaco in there? It's like, no, that was it was right after karaoke. It was a spooky person sitting here. I had karaoke in here that I had this guy, Jeremy Riss.

And he was ripping apart the chairs looking under it. There was a fucking bug. It was the funniest thing in the fucking world, dude. Jesus Christ. Well, you're killing it, bro. It's amazing to see how far it's come. I feel like every single episode is like a fucking best hit on YouTube every time. The titles are obviously always something I have to click.

But you ever reflect on it? No, not really, man. I just enjoy watching your show. I feel like we both, we've both been on a tear lately, bro. It's just crazy. It's crazy to see you guys, you and Joey Deef over here. making it happen. Every day I look on YouTube and you guys are just blowing up, dude, you're like the pure spec solo episodes that you're doing.

It's incredible, bro, because the reason I love it, and I've been telling you this for years, and I know you know this, is I've been telling you that your solo episodes from the beginning of your podcast when you were in your mom's house are some of the most entertaining goddamn shit I've ever seen in my life. And I only get it on phone calls or on like the first three episodes of your podcast and find, Finally, it's actually part of your podcast, which I'm very happy to see, dude, because it's you. It's you being you. And it's fucking so refreshing. I appreciate that, bro. It's, you know what? You have been telling me that for years since we knew each other.

But it's like, I think we put out like 30 something of these this year since that started. You, though, have a library of about 500 of them, just, you know, 470. No one's ever going to hear it. But like, like, Danny. I love the one where you're shadowboxing in the beginning. And you're like, who. Well, that was at the very beginning of the podcast when I did a few. With the fucking kid rock mullet.

Yeah. Hey, guys. If you're not following me on Spotify, please hit that follow button and leave a five-star review. They're both a huge huge help. Thank you. No, but you were encouraging me to do that. And it just kind of, but it happened very naturally.

We just did a Patreon. And then, you know, at the time, the 200 patrons were like, you must put this public. And we did. And then the rest was kind of history, you know? Yeah. It's a crazy. year, dude. It feels like every red line's been crossed this year. You know, when you look at things happening in the world, when you look at things happening at home, that people want to sweep under

the rug, when you look at, you know, and now even, you can't even get away from shit like flock cameras. It's just like, it's one of those years where you are constantly faced with the, did George Orwell write about this? Yes. Is it still happening? Yes. Are we going to talk about it? I guess we have to. Mm-hmm. Yeah. I get all my news now from not just Tim Dylan, but you. Every Saturday is just consuming you and Tim Dylan. So it's a hell of a combo. It's a great way to get your news, man. Am I the news guy for you're my news guy? I'm like the news guy for whatever it's worth. So the only problem is now I don't get over the phone. I just have to watch it on YouTube. So I get to, I get to absorb it in chunks.

Yeah, yeah. You get sneak previews on the phone. That's where I work out my material and everything, you know. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, man, the whole, the whole, the whole flock AI shit is so strange. Like I told you, I didn't really know much about it. I was kind of checked out on it until I was listening to your episode when I called you there a day. And it's strange. I actually Googled it. And I found out there's like hundreds of them in my county in Florida. And they're not just putting like the flock cameras, but they're also hijacking traffic cameras, apparently.

They're hijacking traffic. Well, there's, you know how there's existing traffic red light cameras everywhere? Apparently they figure out how to plug the AI into those. So they can like corroborate with all the other flock cameras. Allegedly. That's what I heard. That's what I read anyways. Yeah.

It's like we have the problem with this in our hands at all times, the phone. Like that's a clear, there's some clear issues right here for sure. But there's at least the semantics or the illusion of using something like that in the privacy or your home. The illusion of it at least. With this, there's no illusion. It's like you walk out on the street. This thing can track you. You're in a public space.

It can invade your privacy that way. It just seems totally anti-American. Yeah. Well, there's that. And then there's the fucking satellite logic shit that Whitney Webb just wrote about. Did you read that? No. Please.

I just read this insane Whitney Webb article that's like on the level of like the True Hoop guy who wrote about the Epstein thing. It took me three and a half days to read it. And it's all about this dude named Emiliano Kargeman. Does that sound familiar? No. He's a Venezuelan dude who has this, he has this power company in Venezuela called Soul Energy. And he's been working with the Millet dude.

in Venezuela Argentina Rather Yeah this is the article right here It's fucking crazy dude Amelio Cargument Yeah So this guy has a company called

Satellogic Where he's been launching satellites In the space in partnership with NASA Palantir and OpenAI Yeah let's just go to the menu And just take all the fucking entrees All the chef's specials Yeah

So it's not just like 3D Google Earth level shit But it's like that on steroids and live feed 24-7. You know how you can get footage. You know DARPA and all these guys can get like a shot of a guy sitting on a park, drinking a cup of coffee, read the newspaper. Pretty like they could probably read the newspaper. That's how good. That's how good the satellites are now.

This shit's like next level. This shit can probably read their mind. And it's like combined with AI. And there's all this money going into it right now with Palantir AI or Palantir Open AI and NASA. So this guy, Cargerman. He's also tied into Elon and all those PayPal dudes like Teal. And it's this just this crazy partnership of all these super big tech billionaires that are investing all this money into this Stargate Argentina.

Stargate. That is so fucking dark. It's in Patagonia. And they're investing all this money into these data centers in Patagonia. Yeah, bro. This huge data center that Malay is trying to get installed down there. And they got the contract with Sam Altman to run the whole thing as soon as it gets built. It's like $25 billion or something.

Isn't he selling off land? I'm going to pull up. Dave's got something right here in one second. Isn't he selling off land in Patagonia though, too? It's like highest bidder. I think so. Right? Miley?

Yeah. Well, he's trying to do that and they're trying to do all kinds of crazy. It's all just fucking wealth extraction shit. It's all it is. The guy's just trying to make tons of fucking money off Argentina and he's lined all the people trying to get him out of there, trying to move the people out of the land and sell it off so they can bring in all these AI companies to build these data centers. And they're lying to all the people telling them that's going to bring in job. Well, you got the cargeeman guy

on camera saying this ain't going to bring no jobs to Argentina. Wait, he's on camera saying that. He's on camera saying that. There's a, she links to an interview of him on camera saying that. Yeah, find it. But then you have Malay saying it's going to bring in jobs for everyone. It's going to create more for the economy. But you have his business partner, the satellite logic guy who's a part of this whole thing saying it's going to do the opposite. Yeah, I also don't like that we're calling him as business partner too. Right. It's like a fucking sitting head of state. Right. Like, what the fuck are we doing? What, so, D, if you have this highlight right here, Silicon Valley to an impressive and unprecedented degree. He has developed generous tax benefits

schemes for foreign U.S. big tech firms. This is referring to this Emiliano guy to operate in the country while offering those that seek to park their data centers, or I'm sorry, this is referring to my life. Their data centers in the country next to the regulation regarding their construction or operation earlier this year, Miley wrote an editorial in the Financial Times where he invited AI to free itself. That's not weird at all. And proposed allowing AI run companies with no humans involved to operate in his country. While some pointed out that the statutes, the statements seem to value AI activity over human activity. That is not an isolated incident. For instance, one advisor in Miley's inner circle, Damien Raidel has controversially,

argued the humans are in fact Argentina's biggest problem, particularly in Argentina Patagonia, because they present an obstacle to AI infrastructure and development in the region. Now, you know, Danny, I'm not, I feel like I'm not putting on too much of a tinful hat here, but it's not a good look for like, what is he, a 55 year old head of state. I think he's like unmarried without kids to be talking about and having people in his inner circle talking about humans being the, Yeah. Scroll down. Look at the photo of him posing with Sam Altman.

It's fucking hilarious. It's just like... And you wanted a video of him so weird to... There's a link to a video in there. Oh, that's Ray Kurzweil. That's weird too. This thing is so... This whole article is so deep.

Oh, there's Elon. Yeah, there's Elon and all his buddies that are all tied into all this stuff. Oh, James Cameron. You seen it? Yeah, James Cameron on the left-hand side. Yeah. So there's this dude.

who is in that photo. Who's that guy in the left right there? You know who that guy is Julian? Michael Griffin. What do you know about my, you know about Michael? Is that the hedge fund guy? He used to be the CEO of the AI investment company, NQTel.

He was the CEO of InQTel. And then he was in 2005, they made him the head of NASA. And this guy's like best buddies with Elon and this cargeyman dude. And they're all connected with Teal at the same time. Dude, she's connecting so many dots in this article. It's great. It's hilarious. Why does everything, and I mean this genuinely, why does everything come back to Peter Thiel these days? Like, if you do the old Jim DeOrio line, just follow the money.

The money always goes to him. We can look at it politically. We can look at it technologically. We can look at it through financial transactions. You can look at it through the fucking Epstein Foss. The money finds its way back to Peter Thiel. And I also talked to someone recently who would know, I'll say that.

That like, his net worth is way below. Excuse me. Way above where it's reported to be. I don't even know what it's reported at these days. But like he's a fucking gazillionaire. Apparently he's got, and I think this one has been reported,

he's got like five or six billion dollars in a fucking Roth IRA or something. Wow. I don't even know how that's possible. Just on the Vanguard, just on the S&P 500, 10%. I'm sure it's not in that. But like... Call Chris.

Yeah. Call Big Ebes. Greek Hammer will tell us. But like, yeah. 32 billion to 33 billion is just reported net worth. And I was told it's way higher than that. Yeah. So another like very interesting thing about that whole story was is that there's this huge push in like the early 2000s when they were sitting in that in those chairs during that meeting to move NASA private.

and basically privatize all the space industry. Like the whole all of the NASA itself. NASA specific. Well, not like NASA, the fucking label NASA, right? Like that's still going to exist. But they were trying to basically gut the bureaucracy, like the government bureaucracy of NASA and privatize everything. Bring all the talent private.

That's how they created and funded SpaceX. And there was the NASA Aim Center, I guess, in California where they were doing all kinds of private stuff and all this satellite stuff, like the satellite thing. Sadalotic. Like this satellite logic thing combined with Palantir and all this other AI shit. What are you doing? Oh, okay. Keep rolling. He's adjusting the cameras, folks.

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Should I be like Meton over here? No. You see what he did to your fucking table? Yeah, dude, that's great. It's great. He added character to it. I love it. Yeah, he did add a little character.

Yeah, it's like, it's like a good story behind every stain. Yeah, he was like, you're going to have to fly up this Danny Jones to help build you. He's like, all right. Is he Israeli? He's half Israeli, half something in Asia. Okay. And he didn't break character at all. No. Not once. Off air? Well, when we finished, it was like watching it. We'll come back to what Danny was talking about everyone. But we're talking about Matton, Evan. If you haven't watched his content, he's fucking hilarious. But like he does this bit character where he plays this like right wing troll. And I would say when we finished, it was like watching a video game character, glitch a little bit. Like, you know, when they're like spawning in, but then it like glitches and they spawn out. He'd be like, he'd be like, fuck yourself. He's like, yeah, no, that was really good, man. I'm like, well, you know,

What, which one is it? Like, all right, I just, I'm, I'm in hell. I just for the last two hours and ten minutes, I was just like, lobbing fucking fastball back and forth. All right, back to Palantir. Yeah, back to me. So, so this 2005 push to privatize all this shit was Elon and Teal were like huge behind this stuff as well as this Michael Griffin dude, right?

So he was the head of NASA. And through NASA, he gave, I guess, Teal, again, everything I'm saying is not, this is all Pure spec. All coming from this Whitney Webb article. Okay. So I didn't do this research. I just read the stupid article. And so all of this fucking money and all of this talent started flowing into these

companies. And basically like what I glean from this whole thing is what they're doing is they're trying to take all of this like government power and technology and move it private. So they can make the money off it directly. Right. And there's also shit they can do like the other thing I think is there was that. what the fuck is that guy is John Poindexter the DARPA guy who was the total information awareness guy

who was trying to push that through Congress and got shut down because it was just too draconian and they was too like way too much for the early 2000 I think it was early 2000s after 9-11 I believe so two draconian right after 9-11 right after 9-11 right that's hard to do so so

he wanted to do the total information awareness thing and I guess what they did was was everything all the technology that Palantir's gotten is basically the same shit that DARPA wanted to do with the total information awareness. It's just privatized now. So now it's not the government doing. It's a company doing it. It's Peter Thiel. And can we Google when Palantir was founded officially? I just want to tie together some timelines here. I love the way you tell them to Google shit. You already know the answer to it. I think you're cooking. Yeah, May 6, 2003. Wow. Very, very convenient

timing right there, you know. And they got one of their first financial backings from in-cutel. myself, which is also tying into what you say. Yeah, the other guy who was the CEO, right? Lonsdale? No, no, no. Michael Griffin, CEO of Incutel. Oh, yeah, yeah, and then moved to NASA. Yeah.

Right. So, and then combining that with the whole satellite logic thing and how you have all these incestuous people, they're all like one big family and they're just incorporating all of their different companies into one thing. And it just seems like, I don't know what's scarier. Like, when you have these AI doomsday will. Whistleblowers talking about like how AI is going to take over the world or is that just like some limited hangout to distract us from this crazy shit with the satellites and the total information awareness tracking everything with AI and

like it also talks about these digital clones of digital clones where they want to make clones if you just command search that it'll talk about this it wants to create using the satellite company digital clones of all the people in Argentina through social media and their whole digital footprint to do predictive policing basically. Oh, Jesus. That's like fucking... What's that movie? Minority report. Minority report shit. Yeah. Yeah. And that's what all these guys are super into. This predictive policing stuff.

All right. So in an interview earlier this year with Forbes Argentina, Carjaman remark that Merlin will soon allow us to do things we never imagine. With AI and Merlin, we can begin to predict the future. As noted in previous reporting from Unlimited Hangout, which is Whitney Webb's blog, a long time major focus of Palantir is predictive analytics, particularly predictive policing often referred to as pre-crime. And this is where, like, I mean, you heard Ellison just talking about this openly. He didn't use the words predictive policing, but he was at that conference, whatever that was a couple months ago. And he's just going through. He's like, what the fuck? Like we're, we're just, you know, everyone will be on

their best behavior because cameras will be watching them at all times, evaluating everything they do, all their behaviors. It's like, my brother in Christ, this is not China. Like, this is America, my friend. What, what the fuck are you talking about? Right. You know, even Zhang was telling me all the stuff, the cameras and the AI that they have to surveil it, all the stuff that they have in China to surveil everybody is nowhere near, according to him, as sophisticated as the stuff in the U.S. He was saying like, you know how we hear the stories of like the gate tracking technology and the facial tracking recognition technology that have for everyone walking around China

combined with the Wii chat and all that stuff? He's like, eh, he's like, it's not that impressive compared to the shit you guys have here. I mean, that's what a good CCP agent would say. That's what a great CCP agent would say, yeah. That's what he would say. I saw some videos. He had nothing good to say about China. That was interesting because I listened to about three of the four hours of that podcast.

He, when you asked him where he'd rather live, he right away was like the United States. And then where would he and he's like where would he rather rule? He's like, oh, China. There's no rules. You can do what you want. Right. Very, very interesting.

But I don't know like I saw a lot of dystopian videos out of China during COVID where they'd have drones watching the house and stuff. And some of my thought process on that is really influenced by that book Kai Fu Lee wrote in 2018 AI superpowers. It's about basically like the AI race between. China and the US. And when he laid out like the four dimensions of how you measure who's winning the race and the fact that it was like two to two at the time because China had stolen so much IP and used it for themselves over the years. I mean, that's back in 2018. So now there's no

they don't have a constitution in that way. Like there's no guardrails on what they're on what they can do. So I don't know if I believe him that it's not dystopian. Where I think he might make a fair point though is that people here who are in denial of what our capability. are what these companies' capabilities are for our people in America, if they were given a loophole to put that into place, I'm sure are insane. And I'll bet they are better. Yeah. Yeah. It's just the way he was talking about it seemed, I don't know, you're right. If I was a CCP agent, I probably would be saying the same thing. He, you know, his overall spiel was that like everything that Xi Jinping is doing and that like that government is doing even with their technology top technology

companies and stuff like that is not that impressive and it's not that strategic and they're they're like they're not thinking that far ahead. I didn't but this is the same place though that you know made what was it the fucking Belt and Road initiative. That's what I yeah exactly like all stuff I'm like that doesn't make sense right they were they were borderline a third world country in 1999 they're not a third world country now. It's a fast move. And like I always think at a world that you don't want to oversimplify it, but like the three most important letters when it comes to the world are actually GD and P. Right. And they're the other place that has the highest GDP besides us.

So it's like if ever our currency in America we're going to be unseated or something, they're the first candidate that would be pulling it off. That's what I worry about. Did you hear what he was saying about how all the billionaires there, they can only invest 50,000? a year in U.S. currency because I guess the what is their currency called again what's that word I always forget what yen No it's not yen it's the other one it's uh joey deep will find it it's a weird name it's a weird word Joey deep should know it he's Chinese no it's not Juan it's a different it's a different thing it's a different word it's like three four syllables Chinese just type in Chinese yeah Chinese parents don't don't I won't try to say it we'll get canceled if I try to say it

Redmond B. Yes, Redmond B. So that currency is not, it can't, doesn't translate with the U.S. So what these guys do are only allowed to, if you're worth a billion dollars, $50,000 a year is going to get you nowhere. That's right. So he was explaining that they're laundering money through the cartels. So they're using the cartels who are sitting on tons of U.S. cash to go to the U.S. buy them shitloads of real estate and shit. And then what they do in turn is do business and trade with the cartels. So that's a perfect way for the cartels to launder their money and for the Chinese to diversify their wealth into the U.S. economy. How fucking crazy is that? It's genius.

It's so genius. It's fucking genius. Because they can give them this credit. They can use like the realm of democracy. I'm putting that in our quotes because we're really struggling with that over here. But they can use like the freedoms that are afforded under our constitution against us. by using that system against us because they don't follow those rules. And clearly, we don't follow a lot of them here as well, but there's at least the guise of it.

Right. You can't just go round up people because you're like, yeah. Right. I think so. Obviously, that still happens. But you know what I mean? It can't happen at the scale. Right.

That happens. I mean, they could throw Jack Ma in a dungeon and what are you going to do about that? That's the Alibaba guy, right? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He disappeared for a while, right? So he disappeared and I guess no one found him and then he ended up in Japan. Yeah.

You were paying more attention to that than I was. I just remembered that like everyone was talking about this crazy trillionaire disappeared. No one's seen him in forever. And then he eventually popped up again. There was a crazy conference. This had to be back in 2017, 2018, maybe 2019, something like that, where Elon Musk and Jack Ma were on a stage together. And Jack Ma's English like isn't amazing. You know, he talks slower and more deliberately.

getting through it. But they were talking about like, I want to say it was like the future of AI and technology and everything. And Jack Ma was basically saying, I'm going to translate, make love, not war, all good. And Elon's like, I don't think so. And it is just the most awkward two hours of the two of them going back and forth. And then he disappeared very shortly after that. Whoa.

Yeah. It was interesting. How long was he gone for? Can we Google that? It was a while. Where is he now? Is he in like Japan or something now? Yeah, you moved to Japan. That's where Jang wants to move Japan. Everyone talks about how great Japan is. Four to five years. Four to five years he was in disappearance. What the fuck was he doing for four to five? I mean, they came and they bagged his head and they said, he can't say anything, pal. You think that's what happened? I mean, he's in China right now. Well, that's what Google AI is.

That's where his company. That's where his company's in China. Right. But he used to have lots of political power, according to Zhang in China. And not anymore. Now he's lost all of power. He said power. He said he had political power. He said he had power. Somehow he had power in China. I don't know how. But he's lost all of that now. Now he's just in Japan and nowhere near as wealthy as he used to be.

Maybe he had to sell off a bunch of his company to get more power, more control to the CCP. Yeah, I don't, I feel like power is a facade there, you know, like unless you're sitting in the, remember when they, we were talking about it when we did the. Pod with Bustamante and Jim together back in 2022. When they bag the former leader, like in the middle of the CCP meeting, remember that? Oh, you watched the video. And they ripped him out of there. Holy shit, I forgot about that.

Like, he was like royal. He was like chairman, if you were. Oh, yeah. Like, I was like generational. He was literally royalty. And G's just sitting there. That's how they treat their elders. They just fucking black, they black, brown bag him in the middle of a press conference.

Did that guy die? Can we? they didn't kill him at the time he was another one it was like Jack Ma where they're like oh that's so sad sit over here that's terrible but the guy at least they don't hide it though

2022 China CCP meeting leader escorted it out I gotta get his name and then we can see like what became of him I mean he was a fucking fossil he was like 90 or something

Hu Jintow now where is he today who Jintao is he dead? Is he dead? He's retired. Oh, he's retired. We retired him. He retires and lives privately in China, making very few public appearances.

He stepped down as Secretary General of the Chinese Communist Party in 2012. He was the guy before Xi Jinping as president in 2013. He lives in a quiet, retired life out of the political spotlight. He rarely appears in public. One of his last major public appearances was in December 22 at a state funeral for former leader, Jeng Zemin. So that was after the Congress incident, which was. when he was escorted off at the closing ceremony of the 20th Communist Party Congress in October 2022. State media later reported that he had felt unwell.

He's been largely out of view since. One of the other things that was really interesting to me was how he was explaining all like the red nobility from when Mao was in power, all those old dudes. The red nobility? The guys who were in power under Mao? The red nobility. Yeah. Those guys are now, they live, they came here for the education and for like the economic opportunity. How old are these guys?

I don't know. Maybe it's like them, most of these guys might be dead, but I'm sure they're like their families, they're still living here. But he's basically saying the most powerful people that run China, they all live in the US and they control it remotely from here. And they use China. They treat it as like their plantation. They treat it as like a plantation economy. But does he think they're working on? behalf of like the future of China or they're just bilking China. They're just bilking China. They're a great CCP agent. Yeah. Yeah. You got to divert attention from what you're doing. Okay,

many descendants of China's communist elite often called the red nobility or princelings have lived, studied or held assets in the United States. Numerous children and grandchildren of high-ranking Chinese Communist Party officials have attended elite American universities such as Harvard and the University of Rochester. For example, Xi Jinping's daughter, Zimin Zay studied at Harvard University under and his we let the guy's fucking daughter study another feather in the hat of professor jang what are we doing yeah all right no disrespect to her but like go to china relatives of foundational figures like dang zhiapang the son of zi fang who earned a physics phd in rochester have spent significant time pursuing academic and professional ventures in the

u.s someone has to let this stuff happen though that's what I can't what do you you mean? Get around. This stuff doesn't, people like this don't live here without people in positions of power here being like, okay, dope. Right. You're good to go. These guys are probably like invested up to their eyeballs in companies here and land here. And they probably just own so much. And they probably lobby politicians here. They probably have, they probably have a good amount of power. Probably. Probably more than the people who get to give them the thumbs up, you know, at least some of them, I would imagine. If they've lived here for that long and they got all that money. What about the people who pay the people who give the thumbs up? That's what I want to know. Well, that's us, but I'm saying, like, the donors and stuff, the donor class. Right. Because it's everything. These guys probably are part of the donor class, right? Of course they are. But I'm saying, like, do you think they're on a donor class level as like

the Silicon Valley guys? Probably not. Probably not. Not on the level of the Adelson's. not on that it's for sure not on the level of like the israeli lobby for sure right so it's like they got some swinging swinging dicks you know they got some sort of power they got their they got their their hooks in somewhere i imagine i don't know but you would know and also if they're fucking if they're doing that shit with the cartels how the fuck did they let that happen well we're working with them these same guys have all this wealth tied up in china they're trying to diversify into the u.s while they're living here and using the cartels as a conduit and we let that happen that's pretty that's pretty fucking crazy it's fucking

crazy but also why are the cartels existing at such a high level of powers they do when they're also even now designated terrorist organizations you don't wonder if it's like the fixes in right i mean i've had a guy sitting in that seat that worked on behalf of the cia undercover to work with the cartels not to stop them oh really who's that matt hedger oh wow he's a knock was he the knock i remember the knock and it's like you're now you're now National security, bigger quotes I'm saying right there, better be some fucking biblical shit if you're going to be doing that. And I'm not so sure that's the case. I think that's just the excuse.

Well, you know, national security. That's what they always do. It's a great way to launder money. It's a great way to hide illegal activities that you're performing for the state of America. It feels like the wealth accumulation that's happening right now at the high. highest levels openly. Like in the past, they could do this behind closed doors. No one ever knows about it. There's no internet, right? Now with the internet, they know people can find this out. People can find out how much stock they hold in different things. People can find out the investments.

They're making weird companies and stuff like that. People can track down all the shit that they got their hands in. But they continue to do it deliberately and openly finger in your face when, you know, the average American only has $500 or less in their bank account. You would, think like optically speaking they'd be a little more careful about it but they're not and i really want to know why they're that brazen if it's just that they're actually that arrogant beyond the point of you know yeah no return or yeah yeah right it's because i mean my brain goes to it's because they're so close to having total control over everything where no one can make a difference no matter what they think it doesn't even matter anymore you know it's like i was talking to jang about this too

because i was telling we were talking about the whole israeli lobby thing and how the issue of israel has become just out of control in the u.s and you and i have talked about this endlessly the stuff about bb just being straight up frank like you you read the book on him and you talk about how smart the guy is but he's saying shit out loud that is like so counterintuitive to what you do you would do if you wanted people in wanted to promote a good PR campaign in the in the united the states be on behalf of israel he's doing the opposite of it that's right so like it's almost like so jang's take on that is basically they don't care because it's the end times they're bringing the messiah and it's going to be he called it gog am a gaw and he's like it's going to be doomsday

everyone's going to be raptured it's a rap they don't give a shit that's why they're basically trying to hasten the end times but why is he doing that why is netting yahoo doing that if he's literally atheist right that's that's what I asked him and he said it's not Netanyahu it's the people that are above Netanyahu basically like the Edelson's and the people that are all tied to the chabad stuff he basically said the Chabad Lubavich he loves the Chabod stuff he basically said the Chabad runs the world they think he's the Messiah and all these huge Silicon Valley billionaires and all the banking families like including the Adelson and the Rockefellers and all them, they all like will do whatever the Chabad.

The rock, how does it make sense with them? Maybe I made it at the Rockefellers. The point is all the wealthiest people basically that are running the world, they all worship the Chabad and they all believe in his eschatology. Can you explain the Chabad to people who aren't familiar with? No, I can't. Why don't you explain Chabad?

You know way more about it than I do. He's some crazy looking fucking cult leader who thinks the end times are coming and all these rich people worship him. You're right about that. And it was. it was like, so Rabbi Schneerson was the guy and he's dead now and he's got a grave in Brooklyn. Very fitting. It's the video of Trump and Ben Shapiro, right?

And Howard Ludnick. And how, oh, and Howard Ludnick. Optically speaking. Oh, find the photo. I need Lutnik, Shapiro, and Trump kissing the grave of Schneerson. Right before the election too, I think. Right. Well, good luck charm.

But yeah, he's so, he's like, why would they do that? Why would Trump do that? Because I told him, I don't think Trump has an ounce of religiosity in him either. Yeah, there it is. There it is. Yeah, look at that. Got to pay the respects. Yeah, like you said...

That's his graves, though, right there. Yeah, he's, boy, he's fucking buried in New York. Yeah. Of all places. Of all the Mount of Olives. They gave that to fucking Maxwell. Why not the Mount of Olives? Like old Robert.

Yeah. No, they kept him in New York. Look at Trump He's like, what my fucking doing here? He's like, I'm so bored So yeah, I don't agree with Jang That I don't believe he thinks that Netanyahu and Trump are They believe in the religious stuff

I don't think they have an ounce of religiosity in them I just think they're doing whatever the billionaires are telling him And I think the billionaires probably do believe in someone that kooky shit, you know But my point was we got way off That was kind of like a tangential analogy My analogy was in the same way that those religious people think at its end time. So they're kind of like rushing, rushing to do everything without trying to hide it. The AI people are doing everything they're doing and not trying to hide it because maybe they're just so close to total fucking control.

It doesn't matter anymore. Well, if it doesn't mean, that's that's another part. I can't quite square. Why are some of these same people then going to guys like Doug Rushkoff, assuming that the end times are. here the event as they would call on him and you talk to Doug too so you know about this and getting his advice on like how to make sure their fucking security doesn't kill them when it happens and they come out of the bunker so like are you really in control if you don't even have a scenario to figure that part that seems like a really yeah you know and a world without money oh yeah they

probably haven't thought it through that far but on the way there as far as like public discourse goes and what it looks like what stocks they're trading or whatever fucking weird shady partnerships they have with milay and argentina like let the cat out of the bag who cares people are going to be like stuck in their ideological trenches online arguing about it either way so the truth doesn't even matter this is the i had the same this is the way i look at the moon landing too it doesn't fucking matter you either believe the moon landing happened or you believe it don't there's nothing i can tell you that's going to convince you otherwise because you're already stuck in your fucking camp either you're anti

everything or you uh ration you don't the people that are on the moon landing camp on the pro moon landing side most of the time those guys are believing in that stuff and arguing for it because they're like attached to some institution where if they come out and if they question it they're not going to have their job anymore so it's like no one can be in the middle and give a rational argument to it that's going to change anyone's mind they're already stuck in their lane yeah i've always I've always believed on that one, and you've done some great work on this, talking to serious people in the field.

I've always believed on that one that every country around the world, including our allies, would have had a reason to disprove us doing it. But what I think might actually be a real scenario here is that the production of it and like how they did it and said, oh, here we are on the moon was not what it was.

And that was not actually there. And so maybe they went, and then if you really want to go down to rabbit hole, maybe they found some shit that was like, yeah, can't phone home on that one. And they're like, get Kubrick in here.

Yeah. You know, listen, he'll be, he'll be able to fix this. And then, you know, oh, man,

I love how Kubrick connects all the dots to everything we're talking about. Bro. That, that motherfucker was, that motherfucker was cooking. Joe Deef.

He connects. He's the octopus that connects everything. It's, but yeah, no, I, I hedge sometimes,

depending on who I'm talking to. when I'm talking about the moon landing on my show and I'll say like I think maybe they went but they had a backup plan with the video that they filmed in the Air Force base according to Bart Sobril but I don't think they win I don't think they went

I don't know if I had a gun to my head I would say they didn't go now you were there with the Apollo astronaut Charles what was his name? Duke Charles Duke and then Subrell I think it was Apollo 16 or Apollo 17 I don't remember but he was one of the he was the youngest guy who ever went to the moon he was like

I was on the moon. He was like 30 years old when he went to the moon. And, uh, yeah. So I had a mom with with Bart Sabrell who they, the, the moon, the anti-moonlanders couldn't have a worst mascot in my opinion. I think it might be on purpose. I agree. I think that they might have been, they might be using him to discredit the people who

question the moon landing because he does a terrible job and his arguments are all disproven in my, in my view, uh, especially the shadow argument. That's the most retarded one out of all of them. And it's just, yeah, anyways, that whole thing was a shit show. And Charlie Duke didn't convince me that we went to the moon at all. You know, the guy was super sharp for being 90. Me and him had like a 30 minute conversation. I picked him up at the airport myself the night before.

We talked about all kinds of shit on the ride home. Like the guy was sharp as a tag. What was he telling you? He was talking about like Elon's stuff, Elon's Mars. ambitions and telling teaching me about like explaining to me how all the rockets that Elon is working on how they work while they're more economical um talking about oh high level shit oh yeah he was talking very high above my head wow and um and this was like nine o'clock at night this guy's 90 usually past nine o'clock past seven o'clock people over 90 are together very well they're

usually cooked yeah so but this guy was on fire and uh even next day when he said we went to record the pot I should have he should have done he's probably been to imagine going to a tippy bar he's been to all but imagine go to a tampa titty bar with an Apollo astronaut I wouldn't want to ruin his memory of what they used to be in the 80s well you know you could take him to the one that's like the spaceship outside it's not what it's like anymore bro if you if he went there you'd be disappointed that's neither here nor there um the next day I walk him into the studio. Bart was already in the studio. Charlie walks up to Bark. Bart shakes

his hand and goes, you're the man who called me on the phone 20 years ago and told me this, this, this and this. Like verbatim remembered it, the phone call that when Bart called him 20 years ago. And I was like, holy shit, how did you remember that? And then we get on the podcast and this guy's playing Alzheimer's. He's play in the Alzheimer's card, like ultimate gaslighting us on like, why are we here? Are we talking about going to the moon? You don't think I went to the moon? And I'm like, what are you doing? Like me and him had six different phone calls leading up to that like in the three months prior talking about this stuff. The guy's super sharp. Maybe he's got stage friend. I don't know what he was doing, man. And if I went to the moon, I would have more words to use than it was exciting.

I was just excited. I'm on the moon. I'm on the moon. I would have a few more words to agree what that experience was like. Yeah. It'd be like it's the kind of thing where you're saying all these, you're saying so many things that can't even possibly get across the depth but to the average person

when you hear it, you're like, oh my God. Yeah. You know, like what's left on set is still 90% crazier. But yeah, it was, I, listen, I thought you did a really good job with that one because it was like being a matador in there with one guy who's

like you said, maybe pretending. Right. It's very possible. Right. That like he's not all with it. And the other guy's like, so you're saying that you went to the moon. 30 times. We're on a Bible. You know?

And I'm just like, oh my God. I was worried he was going to bring a fucking Bible into that podcast. He didn't bring a Bible, right? I called him before. I'm like, are you bringing a Bible? Just tell me now. And he's like, now I'm not going to do that. I'm a born-again Christian.

I've found my faith. I've found Jesus. I found Jesus. You found Jesus? You found him on the moon? Maybe. No. It probably doesn't exist.

But yeah, he, it was, it was pretty bad. It was pretty bad. And like I said, I'm not convinced. And the whole, the craziest thing about it all to me, which he doesn't really, he doesn't really harp on this much. But the Gus Grissom thing on Apollo, the first Apollo mission or the first Apollo launch, he was like, he was throwing a fit talking to the media, did a press release in front of the fucking rocket and held a lemon over it.

And he was complaining. He's like, we can't communicate on a VHF radio between two buildings and you think we're going to take this thing to the fucking moon. Like he was pissed. And there's a lot of people talking about that. And, you know, he died in the fire of that first Apollo mission. When before it got off the pad, the thing fucking lit on fire because there was like an oxygen issue or whatever.

I don't know how we died or if there was a conspiracy behind that. But, I mean, you can just read the tea leaves on this. And I mean, I mean, you can just read the tea leaves on this. And. I mean, I don't need to say shit. All I got to do was watch the footage. You know, can we pull that? What's his name again?

Gus Grissom. Gus Grissom. And I mean, when I'm talking about the footage, I mean like the footage of the actual lunar lander leaving the surface, the guys bouncing around and all that stuff. Like, if I showed you that footage and you had no idea that anyone had ever been to the moon and I go, I show you this Apollo footage of the moon and I say, hey, Julian, I went to the moon.

You're like, fuck you. You didn't go to the moon. I'm like, yeah, I got footage. Look, this is, this is my lunar lander taking off from the moon. you walk pull it up pull up the lunar lander leaving the surface and the camera panning and following it you wouldn't fucking believe me there's no no shot i gotta see the footage again because that was like a four hour and something podcast that one you did with the two of them yeah i think it was over four hours it was over four hours the footage is just i think deep's got it right here so there's so

many there's just i think that's got it yeah yeah yeah so this is what you're looking for day uh Type in lunar lander leaving surface of moon. It'll come up. It's the craziest one. I think it was one of the Apollo mission. Yeah, there it is. It's that short. Oh, you're.

That one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, Julian, this is my spaceship. Well, I went to the moon. Hold on. You're missing context right here. Now, role play it. We're Stanley Kubrick and we're like, all right.

I got a three, two. Catch it. Got it. Got it. Cut. Cut. Cut. Yeah.

Yeah. I'm going to see a little more action on the initial liftoff. Let's get a second run at this. CGI will take care of the rest. I told you I went to the moon. Yeah. Yeah. There's no shot.

There's no shot. We went to the fucking moon, dude. I wonder about how. So you talk about the technology and stuff and being able to communicate, which is a valid question. And then I'm like, Annie Jacobson saying DARPA was telepathically talking to dolphins in 1992. It's like, how far ahead were these fucking Nazi scientists?

Right. You know, like what did they figure out? Because that's another thing I've never squared with World War II and the, you know, like the talent level they had within like their rocket program and stuff at in, in Nazi Germany. Obviously, like we took all those guys controversially through Operation Paperclip. But it's like I do always. wonder if those guys figured out a nuke and had just enough, just enough sliver of humanity in them

to be like, you know, maybe the fucking coked out stash shouldn't get this. You know? And that's, I have no proof of that whatsoever. That's just always a scenario I've wondered in my head. If there were just enough guys in that room that were like, you know what? Let's make a deal. Yeah. Let's make a deal.

make that deal. Yeah, Georgiani thinks they actually tested nukes. The Nazis. Now, what is he based? I can't remember exactly what he said, but he was on my podcast saying that they actually did a nuclear test. And where he was, I don't fucking remember. It's so vague in my head. They did it in Iran. They should have done it on Gaza. Jesus Christ. I forgot. He said that. Bro, sometimes the smartest people have the worst takes, you know. You can't, you can't be a genius in every aspect of life. No. Like I was talking to you about this the other day.

Some of the most talented musicians in the world, my favorite musicians were fucking full-blown psychopaths. Jerry Lee Lewis murdered two of his wives and married his 13-year-old cousin. Like some of these people are the worst human beings, but they're just insanely talented. And they just know how to, they know how to make magic in one way or another, whatever their fucking creative outlet is. It's like something that they can tap into. But I've always thought with anything, I've always believed this. It's, it's in degrees. But like for every point of genius, there's a price that's paid.

And some prices are worse than others. Yes. So like, you know, maybe someone's like genius at music or something and they just are really on the special. or something like that. That's a way better price to pay than being like a fucking murderous pedophile. Right? Let's take the spectrum price. That's a lot better. But there's degrees of a price. And it's and it's so it's like kind of dark to think about sometimes because unfortunately you can look at great talent and then be like, God damn. Like listen, I fucking love R. Kelly's music. I'm happy he's buried under a prison. He's a fucking horrible guy. Right. Like his price is that he's a fucking sociopathic. criminal in every facet of it. It's wrong in every way. But there's something weird that like I can know that about him. Be happy that that's the outcome. But be like, yo, I believe I can fly.

Speaking about good music, you want to hear a fucking banger? Pull up, look at your game girl by Charles Manson. Dude, fucking slayed this track. He slayed it? I heard his music wasn't that good. This is his best song. Wait, Dee, if you listen to this? That's why I put him up. Yeah, you cannot fucking. Do we have, how do we have, how do we hear this. Well, he also, he had some unfortunate help, and by help, I mean

not the opposite of help. They were fucking M.K. Ultra and they asked out of him. Oh, yeah. Yeah. But play this jam. He's not going to copyright us, is he? Uh, uh, well,

you might have to cut it out, unfortunately. Make a note. This is Charles Manson's thing. Yeah, give it some volume. This is a music video that cut in. with it, but... Just wait.

This is a good... This is a good jam. You can't tell me this guy had no shot to be a star. He had a shot. He had a shot. Yeah. It's not the worst of it.

And he had insane charisma. Like, this dude could charm the pants off bin Laden. You know, like he... Another short guy, by the way. Another short guy, right? What's these fucking short guys, dude? So Matt Cox are just too ambitious.

Like, don't trust us. There's too much ambition with these short guys. Matt Cox calls me every... He called me the other day. Every time I talk to him, started a new podcast. Again. Yeah.

He's got fucking podcasts on podcast with all these guys, like partnering up and doing podcast deals. He's like a fucking cartel. Don't tell the PO officer that. Remember the Inside the Darkness podcast he had? Yeah. It's basically Mark Laida, but we have it out. Oh my God.

That was a long time ago. That was old. You just leave the room. He's like, all right, just talk. I'll be back. Just make sure we get it for YouTube. Oh, these short guys, man. But yeah, man, what a fucking, what a crazy story of, I mean, a guy who intersected so many different parts of American culture and is one of the most biggest cultural icons in America, in the history of America, Charles Manson, yeah. Charles Manson and Maryland Monroe.

They're on like the same level, just polar opposites. Polar opposites. And he was also like a real, he was a timeline switcher. in the sense that... Yeah. Killed the heavy movement. When that happened, when the tape murders happen, you can literally... It's like when we draw a map to 9-11 to look at all the geopolitical things that have happened.

It all goes back to that. When you look at like the culture and the culture ship, boom. Yeah. Summer in 1969, those killings ended it. Mm-hmm. Just totally... And that makes you think it's like if you want to... And I don't think it takes a big tinful hat at all.

Because like you look at the reporting that Tom O'Neill did on this. and chaos, which is an amazing book. Obviously, there were M.K. Ultra ties to this guy, but they were so worried about what, you know, communist, Marxist infiltration in the hippie music into the hippie movement

and what that could do to American society. Right. They're like, well, got to crack a few eggs to make an omelet here. Right. And those eggs are just people getting drunk. It's just so ironic that it's, they were pissed off about people protesting

the Vietnam War and the summer of love. And that whole thing was about fucking drugs too. So they want to demonize drugs in the U.S. And do this thing with Charles Manson and try to stain the hippie movement. And that's where the hippie movement completely fucking ended. It ended with Charles Manson. And right after that, what was it in 70?

What was it Nixon who did that? Who did the drug law where they basically scheduledized all the drugs in the U.S. That sounds right. We can check it. I think it was 1970 with Nixon where they did that. And like, I think that was, I mean, imagine like, If that never would have happened, how far ahead would we be right now? Yeah.

President Richard Nixon signed the Controlled Substances Act in 1970, establishing the five-tier federal drug scheduling system still used today. Yes. Yeah. So if that would have never happened, how far would we have progressed by now? If they never would have done all this and stigmatized and made all these drugs illegal, these harmless drugs? I don't know.

It could be great. It could be terrible. It could be something. between i don't know but it's it's a prime example of like just doing the full-blown knee-jerk reaction on the pendulum yeah just like well this is really bad so let's do the opposite which is the story of humanity yeah and as you and i've talked about over the years so many times it's like the pendulum of the law of equilibrium says you want it less violent you know and an action be gets an equal but opposite reaction you can live with it when they're here when they start to get out here

to get to equilibrium, you really got to clap harder and more violently. And it's like that has reverberating effects on society for sure, which I think about a lot now with how things are because so many people are just like, oh my God, it's all fucking fake. Like what are we even doing? You're living in a year where some of the Epstein files get exposed

and no one goes to jail. And you're like, oh, these are the people that like are built our modern day America right now and are still in charge of it. we're just going to let this keep happening and they're like, yes. And so you can't blame people then when every single thing they look at, they're like, well, that's not real either. Even if something objectively is.

Like, I'm not going to sit here and yell at people for that because I'm like, what have institutions or the people that run them at the highest levels in the real halls of power done to reiterate you trusting them for anything? Not much. Right. Have you noticed on X? Even like on X, if you're looking at any sort of article or reporting about anything, I always go down to the first comment where there's always some schmuck who goes,

Grock is this real? And then Grock will verify. That's why I do too. Well, who the fuck's going? Who's channeling into Grock? Like, right? Like, now, like, I default to Grock now. I can't trust.

So I've already lost the trust in like the articles that are on Twitter. So now I'm defaulting to Grock as like my North Star of whether things are true or not. So, okay, Elon started fucking Grock AI and is doing that probably partnering with Peter Thiel in one way or the other. So why am I supposed to look? I'm thinking of this three like, this doesn't make any sense. Why is it like this? You got to do what Joey Deef does. You have to cross-reference all the AIs.

Yeah. Is that what you do, Joey? Yeah. You cross-reference ChatcheeBT, GROC, Claude, and then just those three. Now, that still doesn't eliminate, you know. Co-biased. Doesn't eliminate that, but you can find some cracks sometimes. So we were doing this on that Jang episode where he was bringing up an article of Mark Zuckerberg.

You remember this? Dude, the body language there was immaculate. On what? Watching, like, watching you guys fact-checked that in real time. Oh, yeah. So he was- I do not want to stay on this. I mean, dude, he was telling us the story so confidently and using it as like one of the

main pillars to hold up his theory. Yeah. Saying that Mark Zuckerberg's parents went to Rabbi Schneerson to get the dollar from him and the blessing because they wanted to have a boy. They already had three daughters. And Rabbi Schneerson gave him a blessing. And allegedly Mark Zuckerberg was born 18 months later. And then we found this one article because Steve was looking for it. He's not the best Googler. He's getting better. And he found this article. And we were reading the article. I was like, I didn't recognize the website. I was like looking through it. I was not linking to any sources.

And he so he asked, whatever he asked, chatheed BT. Is this article real? Paced it in there. The first thing was like, this was a story of an interview by Mark Zuckerberg allegedly, here's the source, blah, blah, blah, blah. He opened up a new tab in chat, you BT, asked him again in a different way. And it had this like completely polar opposite response. And it was even being like defensive. Like this is the most abhorrent fake article. It's satirical. And it even says at the bottom of the article that it's not true.

Yeah. And there was no other sources. You stayed on it, though, which was really good because it's a big claim and like he didn't want to stay on that. But you were like, no, no, no, it's a big claim. We got verified this. And at the end, you're like, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like, anyway, Iran and just flipped it around. But yeah, you got that's the thing.

But it's just a weird thing how Chachybtee on one hand was saying it was true. And on the other hand, it was saying it wasn't true. So these fucking AIs came and decided what's real or not. I don't know, again, maybe the answer is going to be in the middle and maybe that'll end up being good. I don't know. Maybe it's really bad. I really don't fucking know. AI is a really open black hole to me. But like you talk to these guys, like you just had Roman on. I just recorded with Lee Cronin again. And there's a range of people that I can say this about on both sides where you'll have like Romans talking about how AI could end us. You know, it could become way smarter than us. It'll get singular and, you know, that's sent you. I'm sorry. And that's that.

and then you'll have like Lee Kronen be like I can't fucking think like it's it's not going to be a human and some of these people are just totally like no it's just a tool but we're way ahead of it and it can never possibly get ahead of us and I look at both and I kind of have the same argument how do you know because you're trying like anything else that's ever come before this you're trying to predict the future so you can't say that you know but like are you've been talking to some of these guys that are on opposite sides of it. Like, who do you think is a better argument here?

AI is going to take us over and it's going to be the end of humanity and, you know, bootloaders some fucking weird afterworld or AI is just going to be a tool like every other technology has been built and we will be in control of it. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of these guys like, the guy Roman I was talking to,

man, talking to him was difficult because he didn't really, he, he, it's very rare you have someone on the podcast who's just not a talker, you know? And then when you, you know how it is when you sit down with them and you start chatting it up and that you're like, oh, fuck, this is going to be work. Remember you with the Elon Musk flight kid with a super dilated Adderallet eyes? Oh, you were working.

The kid that hacked is on. The hardest 37 minutes have ever seen. No, but that's how I felt with this Roman guy too. And I kept asking him questions. I was like, I was like, so how does this shit kill us? And his answer is just like, it's 10 times smarter than me. How do I know how it's going to kill me? I'm like, have you ever thought about it?

I'm trying to have a conversation with this guy. And he's like, yes. And I've come to the conclusion that it's because it's a hundred times smarter than me. I will never be able to conclude how it will kill me. He's like, it's like, uh, how would ants imagine you're going to kill them? I'm like, I don't know. I'm like, a cop out answer. That's what I felt like the whole time.

So, so I don't fucking know, man. I think the, I think the thing that, and again, this is my fucking tinfoil hack conspiracy theory. The real issue is how the AIs are. merging with the fucking space shit and these NASA guys like all the stuff this Whitney Webb lady's talking about with the data centers that are partnering with open AI and private NASA industries and private NASA entities and like intelligent people in the US and I think what she's doing paying attention to those guys the guys she's really like investigating and writing about I think she's probably got her finger on the pulse with the shit that we really need to be worried

about with the future of this world. She's got it. Listen, no one's ever right about everything, but she absolutely has to receive some serious credit. And in many cases, vindication from people based on like some of the reporting she did on Epstein and that network for so many years because people called her crazy on things. Oh, yeah. We see in literal emails that she wasn't crazy. Like, she had it. And so when I see her talking about something like this, it's like, Defe, what did you just pull up? This is real. This is real. This is real. Post. All right, can you go up to that headline?

Jerusalem Post also told me that Monica Lewinsky was Mossad. Oh, that's who told you? Jerusalem Post. When did they tell you that? I don't know, a couple years ago. Right before we did that podcast with Andy and John. Yeah, you remember that? When I called him a murderer.

I go, so how does the CIA commit murder? Oh, wait, that was before our podcast we did with Andy and Jim. I think so, yeah. Oh, yeah. I think I looked it up before that podcast. One of the funniest openers of all time. Oh, yeah. Just walk in.

So yeah, me and Julie, we're talking last night about whether or not the CIA kills people. Do you do that? And he was like, p. Well, how do you guys murder each other again? Yeah, that's what you said murder. He goes, well, we don't call it murder. I was like, wait a minute. Tomato, Andrew.

This is from the Jerusalem Post. Israel plans development of space weapons capable of striking targets on Earth. Defense Minister Israel Kat said space capability. would provide the IDF with an advantage in future conflicts as Israel seeks to become a leading space power. You don't have enough of an advantage? You've been fucking carpet bomb on city blocks for the last fucking three years.

Israel is set to develop offensive space capabilities as part of Defense Ministry's multi-year budget plan for the space sector, including systems to define, designed to defend Israeli satellites from hostile spacecraft and weapons capable of striking targets on Earth from space. The plan includes upgrades to existing capabilities, including expanded intelligence collection from space and improved communication systems. A dedicated budget will be allocated for offensive space activity as part of a broader

effort to strengthen their position in the space domain. The first is the expansion of IDF intelligence collection capabilities from space through multiple layers. This is where you're cooking, Danny Jones. This is what Whitney's talking about. Allowing operations around the clock in all weather conditions and across multiple locations simultaneously. The second area involves establishing broad, resilient, and continuous communications capabilities for the defense establishment. Yeah. These guys are just trying to get rich, bro.

They're getting rich and they're keeping their power and they're creating some sort of a fucking, who knows what, breakaway civilization. They're going to go to, I mean, what's it called? Patagonia is probably a great place to survive a nuclear war. Have you ever seen the Jericho map? What's the Jericho? Oh, no. Is that the fucking, is that the, the new Babylon. Steve pulled this up with POM. This is going to be part of Israel. Yeah, so these are the places on earth that are safe from

Oh, yeah. Look at the Israeli Jericho. The Jericho missile. Yeah, look, Argentina. Look, Florida's almost in it. Florida's almost in it, but not quite. Not quite. And then Australia, New Zealand, where they're building the billionaire bunkers.

Yeah. So basically, like, Teals in Argentina and he's in New Zealand. And there's no coincidence there. No, yeah. That's perfect. Right? That's what he wants. Yep.

And fuck Antarctica. It's way too cold there. And there's too many polar bears. Argentina's great because you're right there in the middle of Chile. California's going to live apparently. Part of, yeah, Southern California. Look, the cartels are going to be all right too. Cartels are good, but China's done.

So why is it this, though? Why is it? I mean, if you made, maybe if you made this round, it would make sense. but like looking at it flat like this, I don't get it. Why is that? That's the range. That's the range of the ICBMs. Yes.

Is that with the Jericho missiles, right? And these are, oh, these are Israel's missiles? Yeah. Okay. That's their range. I get it now. Now, how far can Iran's ICBMs go? Not that far.

But they, like, that's the thing. Like Europe's sitting there like, what the fuck fam? They're ICBMs. Yeah. Wait, why are you saying it like that? Because they don't have fucking ICBMs. I don't think they have them. I mean, I don't think they do.

All the people that I've talked to said they don't. Who told you they don't have? Who was just telling me this? Fuck, I had someone really smart telling me this recently. God damn it. Who was it? Somebody very credible. If it came out that they didn't have ICBMs,

that makes this somehow even worse. Somebody was telling me that they basically, maybe I was watching. Maybe this is on my podcast or maybe I saw this somewhere. But somebody was telling me that like when they start to build ICBMs, that requires a lot of collaboration industrially from from from Russia. They were saying like they were going to have to get a lot of technology from Russia to build that stuff.

Then you start getting into like shipping stuff and like the intelligence around that they have locked down on Iran. They're going to be able to like it's one thing to basically enrich the uranium to a certain level, right? Like, they can keep that kind of compartmentalized to a degree. But once you start trying to build ICBM rockets and shit, now you're building in shipping channel, shipping lanes, you're moving shit in on roads, importing it from other countries and all this stuff. So the layer of intelligence spreads out more. You're having more fail points because you're exposing yourself more. So you're saying they would have been like bombed or stuff. They would have been caught trying to do that

kind of stuff. And they probably know they would have been caught trying to do that. But what if they're caught and no one does anything about it? Because it's not. not a nuclear situation so they're like, well, we can't bomb them. I don't know. Yeah. I don't know how this would work. Look, if fucking nukes, it seems like nukes are the cause of all their problems. Why not just go to fossil fuels?

If I run Iran, I'm burning gas. I'm going to go back to, I'm going to just drill oil and run on my energy on oil. Because it seems like this nuclear shit seems to be the cause of all their problems, right? And they're in the middle of all this oil everywhere. Why not just use oil? Yeah. But they also, since this regime, came into power, they've had a target on their back from a lot of Western governments.

And obviously then Israel is fucking banging down America's door all the time saying, you got to take them out of power or whatever. That I think the nuclear thing came up out of like a survival mode. I mean, you look at this war. One of the most vindicated guys, I hate to say this, but one of the most vindicated guys in this war is Kim Jong-un. He got nukes. and he you know gets to keep running a totalitarian regime and we're not bombing him in fact Trump's trying to meet with him he's probably gonna die a quiet death in his bed all alone not probably not getting blown up by a helicopter rocket not getting blown up by a helicopter rocket and there's something to be said for that that now you are proving that guy's point it's like you are making the broken clock yes be right twice a day you have to be a lying cheating sociopath to survive world. But that's... And that's what Kim Jong-un's dad did, right? He fucking lied about not doing

a, not doing a nuke program with Clinton. I think he promised Clinton that he wasn't going to have a nuclear program and then he fucking did it. And they did it. Yeah. And that's the thing. It's like, you do have to look in the mirror though. You got to do the old Central Park Zoo thing. What's the Central Park Zoo thing? They used to have a mirror and above it it, it said the world's most dangerous animal. And you'd look in it as a human. Oh, really? Yeah. Wow. It's like And thanksy level. Yeah. But you got to, I think, especially now with all the erosion of the institutions and seeing

the rot that's within them, you got to look in the mirror and say, you know, are we really the good guys? Like, let me put that a better way. And this is how a lot of countries around the world could put it because governments are not their people? Are our governments really the good guys? Right. I don't think there's a lot of good evidence to show that right now.

It seems like, you know, when you are, and I've said this since the beginning, when you are giving me a literal intellectual reason to have to defend an action that the Iranian government's taking, you have dramatically fucked up. You've lost the plot. Yeah, because I'm like, people are like, well, why are they bombing bases? And I'm like, oh, I don't know. Maybe because their whole fucking country got bombed. Like, what do you want them to do? This is how war works. Like, you can't just go fucking try to say, yeah, we're going to use the biblical prophecy to bomb them.

off the face of planet Earth. Oh, sorry about the girl's school and not think your bases are going to get hit? Like, this is warfare 101. Yeah. An idiot at home knows this. Yeah. You know, but like, then ask yourself, well, why is that not? Because we fucking did it.

You can't just fucking invade whatever country you want. Now they're trying to merge the Iran war with the Ukraine war. Did you see this stuff? When you say merge. So allegedly, this is what I heard. from, I forget who told me this, but what's his name, Zelensky, bombed some ship in some fucking waterway. Jang told you this.

Yes, Jang told me this. There you go. He bombed some ship that had something to do with Iran to try to get drawn into the Iran war so we can get more funding for the Ukraine war. Trita Parcy, too? Oh, Trita Parcy wrote this. Ooh, is she legit? No, no, that's, he's a guy.

He's on my show. Tita? Oh, he's on your show. Oh, cool. What's his story? Where's he from? Trita was from Iran. Oh, that guy.

His dad was in prison there. That guy was great. He was kicked out. He was four. Yeah. And he's been outspoken against it. But he's also been one of the few in the Iranian diaspora who has advocated hardcore against intervention there. Right.

And therefore, people try to then say like, oh, he works for the IRC, which I do not believe he does at all. I think he's very against those guys. So what was the ocean or the little tiny sea over there? It was by Azerbaijan that there was a ship there that Zelensky bombed. Maybe you can find that. We'll find it. And, uh, all right. So wait, is this the article beef?

We're already on it. So he attacked a ship. Let me just read it from the top. We'll start there. At Ukraine's, as Ukraine's Volodymyr Zelensky arrives in Washington, much indicates that he's no longer merely trying to draw greater American support into its war against Russia increasingly, it appears to be pursuing something far more consequential, merging Ukraine with the U.S.-Iran conflict, which, by the way, this is an obvious point, but this is the stuff

of world wars. Like, this is literally how it happens. You merge a bunch of places, different conflict zones, and suddenly, boom, it's everywhere. Right. But into a single strategic theater, the distinction matters if the two wars become one. Ukraine ceases to be merely a recipient of American military assistance and instead becomes a direct participant in Washington's war with Tehran, by this meaning like a literal ally in that way, under the terminology. By the same token, the United States would no longer simply be Ukraine's

principal arm supplier. It would become an active belligerent against Russia through a conflict that stretches from the Black Sea to the Caspian. Now, can we find that C that Danny was referring to that he bombed today? Today, however, let's see. Can we search the word attack. Maybe that's in there. Israel attacking the runs. No. No.

No. Okay. But they attack something by the, we're saying it's by the black sea? Near Azerbaijan. Near Azerbaijan. Maybe. That's the sea that's right there.

A little tiny waterway. That's like right north. Where did Zelensky? If you just pull up a map, I can tell, I can point. Bomb. Okay. On March 5th,

2026, two Iranian one way attack drones struck the Azerbaijani enclave. Oh, so this was a while ago? No, that's a different one. That's Iranian. Zelensky attack near Azerbaijan. I might be throwing you off with the Azerbaijan thing. All right, so Zelensky attack near Iran.

Try that. Okay. Yeah, because maybe it wasn't Azerbaijan. Let's get it. Right. Yeah. So in late July, 2026, Ukrainian long-range drones struck military supply lines and vessels in the Caspian Sea.

You were right. resulting in a direct escalation and sharp threats from Iran. On July 25th to 26, 2026, Ukrainian drone strikes hit targets in the Caspian Sea, including Russian missile boat and sanctioned cargo vessels. Zelensky confirmed the operation. We did it. So Russia, Iran, friends, Zelensky or Ukraine-Russia enemies. So if he punches Russia who is helping Iran, now it's like, hey, look, I'm a part of this triangle.

right does that make sense is that yeah it does make sense okay so you see we're sending we just sent ratcliffe over to fucking russia i saw that this morning yeah i was on the plane vigorously reading all the news so cia director goes he didn't meet with putt in front trump said it was semi standard semi normal course he said that meeting yeah what do you think that was about i don't know how long was that meeting did we know that he met with him i want to say it was like an hour yeah i said that he didn't meet with putin but he met with the FSB or whatever, some of the intelligence folks? How long do we keep this going?

First of all, that's not standard at all. Secret trip to Moscow. All right, what we should make of CIA boss is a secret trip to Moscow from the BBC. President Trump said Ratcliffe's trip was a semi-routine visit, but there is nothing routine about a CIA chief making a secret 10,000 mile return dash to Moscow. He met Russian intelligence officials on Tuesday, notably his opposite member in Russia's overseas spy agency, Sergey Narayan, after arriving unannounced on a U.S. military plane, the Kremlin confirmed. It's been nearly five years since his predecessor, William Burns,

made this trip, and that was at a similarly tense time, just as Russia was drawing up plans to invade Ukraine. So this is probably serious. But the difference now is it's an active war, and we've been in funding the other side of an active war that's going on there, which this could be really bad. It could be what the BBC is saying here, which is like maybe some shit's about to go down there. Like, please, like cooler heads prevail. It's very possible. My head more goes towards like the fixes in a little bit here. Yeah. Like, all right, let's, you chill with some of those missiles. We'll chill with some of these drones. What are we going to do next? We're fun in 13 playing. We're going to make it two. We're going to make it two. Little fucking midget over here. We'll take

care of him, don't worry about it. You know, just stop, stop letting Iran use that, use that supply line right there. Yeah. Would you? Yeah. Yeah. Sometimes I just wonder like if it goes, you know, you know how, at least in local politics or in American politics, it's like we kind of, everyone kind of knows it's a unit party. It's like the same guy's got both puppets in each hand. Like the guy on the left or the guy on the right, the same guy controlling both puppets, the Bill Hicks joke. It's like, maybe it's like that with countries. maybe there's these families that have tons of money and maybe they run banks and maybe they also can simultaneously control one country with the right hand, another country with the left hand,

and try to use these world leaders as their own puppets to achieve whatever goals that they have while you have their little do boys like Jeffrey Epstein running around trying to make side deals and hustle and blackmail operations. You got to turn on the vent before you cook like this, Danny Jones. Temperature is going to get too high. I think you're over the target here. Oh, God, and they can put on their ropes with Steve Manon and do seances. Fucking talking tongues.

Yeah, I'm starting to think that your maybes there are a very unnecessary hedge. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. No, it seems like it's, it just seems so crazy to say that and actually be, you know, actually feel like you're backed by evidence and not just some crazy kook. Because this is like kooky shit two years ago. Yeah, you've had to watch me reevaluate my reality on phone calls be like, yeah. Remember, I used to think that.

Yeah. Winds are pointing in a different direction now. Right. Which you have to be able to do. You have got to be able to change as things change, which by the way, you know, if that means like we find out some things that are less as bad as we thought in the future, which selfishly I hope we do, like I'll change with that. But right now it's been one of those years where you're like, oh, so to fucking raping it.

eating them now. It's like, what the fuck are we doing? Yeah. You know? It's just like there's been a few times where I have to go like this and just like, look at Dief and I'm like, are we still here? Is this thing on? Yeah. You know? And there's something really darkly comedic about it and just being some fucking asshole talking about it on YouTube. But then the stronger feeling is that there's something darkly foreboding about it that it is this open. And like I was saying 20, 30 minutes ago, nothing's being done about it. Yeah. Which suggests it is so deep rooted that they just don't care or they know what's coming. Right. Yeah. And how many more fucking Jeffrey Epstein's are there running around the world right now, you know? Like he was the one that was like

offered up to us on a silver platter that is kind of like, God damn it, at some level, I feel like that could be like holding the shiny object somewhere. Like, hey, look at this evil monster that existed. We're going to give you these files, the ones we can give you. And we're going to keep some of them. But you're going to really get to see who this guy really was. So go throw a fit about this. Talk about it on YouTube. Talk about it on X. We're not going to throttle that shit at all. In fact, we're going to push it more. Remember when we couldn't put it into it? I remember when you were, you were literally telling me, don't put the word Epstein in a YouTube title. Because no one will ever see the video. And in the last couple of, last year and a half,

it's been completely off the rails like shit about Epstein going complete everything on YouTube. I opened up my YouTube app and it's just video after video after video about Epstein million views, million views, reals with hundreds of millions of views about this stuff. And everyone's talking about it across every single social media platform. So why is that? And crazy insane pendulum swing. So it's like is it trying to show us the the monster to disguise some sort of fucking evil machine, monster machine, that's still operational behind the scenes. Because that's what it seems like. It seems like the society and the cultural, culture, easy for you to say, in this global economic world that we live in with, you know, all these

billionaires and world leaders doing these backdoor deals behind the veil, just enables people like this guy to exist. So, I mean, just from the research that you've been, been doing on your show, you've, you know, exposed all of these crazy people like the fucking that, that Spanish guy who had the wife he deported, who has some fake title in the Trump administration, Zam Paulo or whatever fuck his name is. Like people like this guy. Like the fact, it enables people like that guy to be real, you know, and I'm not, I don't think that that people like him are, I have no reason to believe that that guy's any more innocent than Jeffrey Epstein. Yeah, I, to an extent, I'll agree with you.

He seems like a prototypical really just not good guy in every way before you even get to some of the things that he could or could not have been allegedly, you know, for your honor out there watching, you know, involved with. But it's crazy. His place is like a mile from here. Oh, that's nice. Like we're sitting like a mile. We could go knock on his door right now. Right. I'll stay in Florida.

It's right. That's what's so weird. It's right in the middle of us and everything in this whole underworld. And by the way, that part that I couldn't, when I talked with Amanda for an hour and then she gave me permission to go public with most of our conversation, the part that I couldn't talk about one of them is actually now public. Oh, okay. So while I was on the phone with her, I was hearing a male. She would talk in Portuguese to a male voice once in a while. Oh, no.

And I was like. My boyfriend, Steve. No, no, no. I was like, I was like throughout the conversation. I kept being like, yeah, so your husband, the doctor that they threw in jail pending trial with this thing where they arrested you, you know, what's the story there? She goes, I'll get through that. And then as the conversation is going, like, why do I feel like she's talking to the husband? And she goes, so anyway, you know, he's here now. And he was there with her. And now it's come out.

Like, he literally just jumped out of the U.S. And I'm like, you know. And they're acting like, it's now causing a problem with Trump and the Brazilians that this happened. I'm like, they let a guy, I'm guessing he like cut off his ankle monitor and just bail from the U.S. who was married to a woman who's directly tied to the reason that Melani and Trump came out to talk about the Epstein files at a White House press conference. Right. You know, they're saying they can pick up heartbeats in the middle of Iranian mountains and they let this guy to go to Brazil. Get the fuck out of here. And you just wonder why that is but yeah i i i don't there are a lot of people like that that exists the thing i've equated it to with and it's always existed it's always existed the thing i've equated to with just epstein

like just think about him for a minute no one else is you've seen those videos before where someone's like you just see the hand it's like a satisfying video where someone's hand is in the side of an embankment you know in some pond or something and they're pulling on a weed and And they keep pulling and it gets longer and longer and there's a trickle of water coming out. Trickle of water or trickle of water. And then like a minute in, they finally pull the whole thing. Oh, yeah. And it goes, and the water comes out like crazy.

Jeffrey Epstein is the weed. He's just the weed. Yes, yes, exactly. The water behind him. Now here's the part I can't square though. Here's the part I cannot square to this point. For years, it was like if you ever mentioned the word Rothschild, oh no, he can't say. that you know and there's other families too like Rockefeller why am i forgetting something right now

they offered them up on a silver platter not even being asked about it and and and here's exactly why did why did less wexner go out of his way to mention them why did bill clinton go out of his way to mention them why did all these other people start to the the the jeffrey obscene's accountant go out of his way to mention them like what my favorite moment was when bill clinton was looking at the photos. Give me that back, bitch. I'm going to see this.

Yeah. Oh, God damn. He was fucking reminiscentous. Like, God damn. I remember that night. That was a great time. We actually, we stayed out until about four or five a.

Yeah. He doesn't give a fuck, dude. Listen, bad guy would love to have a beer. Fucking be able to imagine that podcast. I don't even need a podcast. I don't want to do that.

But like, would just love to get him six sheets to the wind one night and just let it fucking. You know, he's also one of those guys that Kariaku talks about how he could just charm the pants off you. Anybody.

He walks into a room and people just fucking their jaws at the floor. They melt. They melt. He has them in the palm of his hand. Yeah. I told you,

well, there's one story I won't tell you because she'd get pissed but I told you about him. I don't know that story. I don't know that story. He was like the most

Diet Coke Republican of all time. Fucking dog. And like she liked him. And then the other story I will tell is my grandfather who's now deceased. He,

his whole life, If he was just like pool red, you know, whatever the Republican was running in anything, that's all he did. Like, that's it. And he fucking hated Bill Clinton when he was in office because it was like that was the thing. Yeah. Bill Clinton. He's the Democrat. He met Bill Clinton.

I forget what it was. Maybe it was like they were opening, his company was opening up a new plant or something like that. I don't remember. Don't quote me on that. Unfortunately, he's not here so I can't ask him. But he met him and he said the thing happened. he's like he was walking up and you know he was being respectful it was it was the i believe he was the sitting president at the time so it was the president and you know he's like hello sir good to meet you but

he wanted to leave it at that and then they got to talk and he was like this son of a bitch you can't help but not while you're in his presence like him right there is just the riz on that guy the riz the riz the moxie him and charles manson both that but yeah yeah actually that's not a comparison. Right. In weird ways. The way you can just manipulate people to do anything you wanted to do. I want to know where the break moment was for someone like that. Like think of young Bill Clinton. Was it when he was nine and you know someone beat the shit out of him? Was it when he was 12 and he witnessed something horrible? Was it when he was 15 and someone kicked him off the dodge ball team at recess? Like I don't know. What was the moment where he went

dark. Like, you remember... I don't think that's how it works. You think it's a slow descent? I think it's a very slow burn. I think... I think your toe gets in the door. I think, you know, maybe you get an opportunity to get this job in government and whatever.

People see your charismatic. Maybe you're good salesmen and sell a little coke. Sell, well, you know, then you get a job, you know, running, you know, in Arkansas. And then there's like, hey man, you know, we got this guy. he's a firefighter pilot. We caught him flying all this drugs. But, you know, we can use this stuff to make black ops money and do all these illegal activities everywhere because no one's going to trace the paper trail.

And we're the good guys. And we'll slide you a million dollars for every shipment. Like, fuck, dude. If I'm how old, how old he was when he was running Arkansas, maybe in his 30s, like super young. I don't know if I could say no to that. Does that mean you're morally bad? Does that make you morally bad? Like just because you, I mean, there's really, there's already tons of coke being being shipped to the country with fucking Escobar.

Now, you know. Which one? What, what, which what? What do you mean? Pablo or Pablo Pledge Cabar. Yeah. Oh, you got to, I don't know about this Pledge Cabar. Oh, you haven't seen.

You got to tell me all about this. The Penn State Coke ring. Yeah, the Penn State Coke ring sounds fucking wild. Listen, this is the government, big government picking on small businesses. Once again. I can't wait to hear about this. But yeah, dude, like I could be If before I

I don't know if he was married back then But like before I was married before I had kids There's a lot of shit I would have probably done for a million dollars Well, I would a lot of shit I would have done for a hundred thousand dollars You know and it's not like how immoral is it to fucking let a little coke come through the airport I've done dude I mean when it comes to drugs I don't know

I mean I draw the line at certain in certain aspects of life. There's lines you got to draw, right? I'm not importing fucking underage girls from modeling agencies to traffic them to my friends. But when it comes like a little coke, and then that gets to a little bit more coke. And, you know, before you know it, you're fucking tying kids up on train tracks and you got to get and this guy committed suicide by shooting himself with a shotgun in the back of the head. One of the shipments gets fucked up. You got to kill the guy. Now you did a murder. It's like breaking back. goes off the rails, you know. At some point you lose the plot. And it's just like this, everything

ties back to Skip Bayliss. You know, he started out as a good sports journalist reporting a- It's one of two people I've ever blocked on Twitter. And he starts to, you know, he criticizes LeBron once, people start jumping on and he starts to get a little bit more attention. And now it's his whole persona is hating LeBron. That's what happened to Bill's-Pont. So I agree with you. I think it can absolutely be a slow descent. I think there's examples of both though. I wonder if Bill Clinton was one of those where there was a breaking moment and he suddenly was just like, fuck this. I'm the man. I'll do what I want. It could very well be what you just pointed out. I could see that. Then again, it's like goes to Harvard, involved in, you know, elite circles, if you will, makes that marriage with Hillary, which isn't real. It's a business relationship. You know, she didn't play for his team, obviously. It's like, and then he's this huge dog. That's early on. It's early on. They did that. He, you know. Dude, I had this guy, speaking of Hillary, I had this guy in my show a couple months ago who was telling me some insane shit. And I'm, I want to ask you back. I know, you know a lot about this shit. The Anthony Weiner laptop. This frazzle drip. conspiracy have you heard of this i know you've heard of this yeah some really sick shit and apparently

it got into the hands of the law enforcement and they saw it and it was so disturbing that they committed i've heard i've heard that there were people who viewed that from law enforcement that is that is that a real thing that did off themselves i have heard that do you think they off themselves so i don't know yeah we i think there it's been a while i think there's something confirmed there, Dief, Dief will find it to where you can point to people that were involved with it who did off themselves. Now someone wants to poke holes in and say, well, you know, they had all the things going on in their life, but like-

Well, if these cops accidentally came across footage of Hillary Clinton doing something illegal. Yeah. I mean, that's the least of how you would say it. I wouldn't say their lifespan is going to be that long. That's right. So the frazzle drip thing, the speculation on it is exactly what you said, that it is It is as dark as it gets and so much so that guys would have off themselves about it. The public has never had a chance to see it though.

And which makes you say, well, is there something to hide there? That's where my head goes. And it's like, what if it's also, what if it's worse than that? What if it's not, if you can't be, just bear with me here. What if it's not even like the Clintons? What if it's the people you don't know about? Right. That's what I want to know.

Because I do not to take not to take the onus off political families like the Clintons who I think are inherently evil. Let's let's make sure we have that outlined right there. So we don't lose that thought. But I do think people like the Clintons have less power than we ever thought they did. I feel like they are very useful pawns on the. board which by the way if your scenario which could be right of like how it happens for like a bill clinton is kind of how it happened or in that pattern of how it happened the slow slippery descent yeah it's the most perfect candidate ever because you just keep dipping them a little more

and a little more and a little more and be like oh this guy's got riz too let's put him in office yeah oh he'll fucking play ball you know so yeah i i i think i think some of the air quotes here conspiracies around Anthony Wiener are very legitimate questions that people ask. Yeah. And I think it's really weird that that got shoved under the rug

because he's also the most dislikable guy ever. Oh my God. His interview with PBD was the best interview of PBD's ever. I agree. He fucking murdered him. That guy, oh my God, dude. It was a bloodbath.

The guy's just not human. The guy, the guy, he didn't seem like a fucking human. He couldn't. Everything was so fucking fake and measured just like a prototypical public. politician, but like on steroids with that guy. I agree completely. He was.

And you're right though. You're right about like the initial story is the perfect conspiracy because it's Hillary Clinton who's tied to Epstein and it's going to be like, oh, they're definitely covering that up because these cops sell Hillary Clinton doing evil. And like the fucking thing that really rattled me was when Joe, not Joe, but Hunter Biden went on Tucker's podcast. For whatever it's worth, whether you want to say

he was full of shit or not, he explained the laptop thing. I don't know if you heard what he said. I haven't. Basically what Hunter Biden said was he said he got his cloud hacked and everything from his digital footprint from the beginning of time

since he got a fucking iPhone or a laptop, everything from his whole life, his full 360 digital footprint was in his cloud, which got hacked. And he said that that was put on the laptop because according to what he said

was that it was way too much information like terabytes upon terabytes of data that was allegedly on this one laptop that he brought into this computer repair shop where the fucking guy who owned it was blind legally blind and didn't even see him

makes Cash Patel look straight out like so now you start to think like when that first came out you're like oh wow this is campaign minute they're they're manipulating the election and trying to hide this stuff to help Joe Biden but then when you hear this guy's story you start to realize oh my god this could have been a whole fucking counter intel plot where it was the fucking Republicans

who hacked his laptop and tried to get all this stuff out there and and it was literally the people on the on the Democratic side who was running a counter intel operation knowing that. No, they hacked him to try to steal the election. So we're going to fucking suppress that. Yeah. And try to run it back, try to push back the other way, you know, like it's a full fucking 360 degree intelligence war from both sides. If you are to believe what Hunter Biden said. What do you think of him doing this whole tour? Because I've said, I will not have him on. I'm not interested in it at all. It's so weird. I don't know. The guy's got charisma for sure. Oh, he definitely.

He's definitely fun to listen to. But it's just fucking weird. I don't know what to make of it. It's just like there's something about it that is, it just, again, feels like just something very fake in your face. What I will say, though, is that the laptop scenario that you lay out there whether or not that's bullshit or true, just the whole thing around it is multi-layered and bizarre. Right.

Because you look at- Is the laptop thing all the guys signed off on or is that something else? I always get that confused. Okay. So all, it was like 51 or 53, high level intelligence people all wrote this letter. Well, someone wrote it and then they all signed it. And they built up to the election saying this was a Russian disinformation campaign. To be clear, there are some full-blown scumbags for sure, like proven scumbags on that list. Like a John Brennan, stuff like that.

And like the worst of like your deep state kind of people. Maybe they're all that way, by the way. I don't know. But there's a lot of heavy hitters on there. And other people who may be before that, you know, unless you were just doing the, as many people probably righteously do now, one CIA, always CIA kind of thing with people. These weren't people that you would have pointed to like the middle of conspiracies or something like that. And it was a large list. And so there were a few questions I asked myself.

I said, okay, they knew all of them knew when they signed this. This was not the case. Every single one of them. Whether it is the bad people, the good people, or if they're all bad. They all knew it wasn't real. So why did they They knew what wasn't real? They knew it wasn't Russian disinformation

Right, right, right, right. Okay, that was bullshit. Mm-hmm. So why'd they sign it? Well, the first thought is, well, they're all deep state scumbags. That's the easy answer. And maybe that's what it is.

Right. Okay. They want to get a job? Yeah, but the other reason is this is what I can't square. They're not dummies. Some people are really far gone on there, like a John Brennan,

really far gone. So maybe throw him out. But like they're not dummies. These are smart people. Why would they sign their name to something that's going to, that's going to affect an election that is going to be disproven in the future? That at least what they're saying about them. They're got 55 of their buddies on there already too. So they're all going to go down with the ship, you know, misery levels company.

But that's what I'm saying. Why would you sign that? And this is where I get a little like 3D in my head. And I go, what if they know something else, some of the people on there? Right. And let me pull this back one second. Let's assume they're all scumbags. Let's even assume that for a second.

Worst case scenario, these are the, all 53 of them are the worst people on Earth. But they know something so bad that like they're like, hey, you know, yeah, we can't let this happen. It's the least bad option. Which, to be clear, you should never do this. But like, that's how, what if that's how. That's how they rectified it in their head, which is, I mean, you want to talk about slippery slope. I don't even need to go there. But I'm just trying to figure out the why.

And I've never gotten a great answer to that. But I have some thoughts in my head. Right. Yeah. What, I mean, what if Hunter Biden had some sort of like, this is like completely out there hypothetical, had some sort of like dirt on somebody somewhere on one of his. devices and the opposition, the opposing party knew about it, had hacked his cloud, tried to get it all, and then said, well, we hacked his cloud now. Now we have to really fucking discredit this guy

and really throw him to the fucking wolves and end Joe Biden's campaign. So what we're going to do is we're going to have somebody go deliver this laptop to this blind dude and they're going to think it's Hunter Biden just getting his laptop repaired and he's conveniently going to find all this shit. So it's like, it is this like 3D, 4D thing. You don't know how far down the line this thing started. We're only seeing like the tip of the iceberg. But below the water is just so much shit that could go so far. And like, yeah, like you said, they're all fucking scumbags and they're all just trying to fight for power and to climb the ladder like John Brennan types do. Yeah, I just couldn't. But it's just like, yeah, we only get the tip, the whipped cream.

It's impossible to think like, like, like. You look at some of the people on that list who were in that for 40 years. It's impossible to think like they think. From the worst case scenario to the best case scenario. Yeah. Right. And I'm assuming the worst. But I at least want to know what it was.

Like what, and we're never going to know. But like what the thing was that they're like, this is so bad that, yeah, we're going to openly lie. Who is the guy? Was he? I don't know if this guy signed it. The guy who lied to. Congress about NSA. Clapper. He did sign it. He signed it. See. Yeah. I don't think he's a very good guy. If Clapper's going right, I'm going left. I don't know. See, I'm with you. And that's what I'm

saying. It's like, it's there's never that's, and that's the thing. There's never a good enough reason to break the seal. You know what I mean? Like to break the thing that bount, that makes it all possible, that makes like the freedom of a country possible. There is never a good enough reason. It's the same reason why we have the quote of like 100 guilty men on the street is better than one innocent man in prison. It's not fun to think about. But we have that quote for a reason. The job is to put the government to the test on things. You know, so it's no, the standard is even higher when you have access to the secrets of this place. And that's why I just, you know, it's just gasoline on the fire when I see people like that do that. I just want to know why they did it. Right. You know, it's not a simple as like, wow, we just don't like Trump. It's not that simple. Right. It has to be something else.

Yeah. Like whenever I see Clapper a tied to anything, I instantly don't believe it. And especially this whole UFO thing because he is like the, he is one of the main people pushing this whole fucking UFO disclosure thing. He's in every single congressional hearing. He's right there. Clapper's been. Clapper. Even seeing that?

He's in like the front row behind everybody. Can we pull that up? Real quick. I got a piss. I want to hear about this. Yeah. Yeah. We'll go back.

We'll be right back. All right, we're back. We're going to come right back to the clapper thing, but a little breaking news from the Hormuz letter. Breaking news. Joe Deef just found this based on something we were talking about a little bit ago. The U.S. military is now experiencing a beyond critical shortage of advanced Patriot missile interceptors in Europe due to Trump's war with Iran, meaning the U.S. military does not have enough patriots to stop any potential sustained Russian ballistic missile attack.

That's awesome. Per U.S. slash NATO officials to the Associated Press. in the event of a direct hot war with Russia, including strikes on a military base or power plant, NATO would now have very limited capability to defend Europe and be forced to, quote, take punch after punch in the mouth, unquote. This comes on the same day Russia directly warned it could start bombing UK military bases due to UK support for Ukraine, with Zakova saying British military sites in Ukraine and beyond its borders could be targeted. Well, that's awesome. So let me go back to that Ratcliffe meeting, Danny Jones. He

walks in there and goes, hey, no, that shit we've been saying in the last five, listen, we're silly gooses. But we didn't mean all of it. It's just a little posturing. Yeah. Well, to quote, to quote Putin on his interview with, what the fuck is his name, Oliver Stone. Have you see that? The interview, the Putin interviews.

Yeah. He's asking about Trump and he's asking him, oh, we have a great relationship. Well, what about Hillary Clinton? Hillary Clinton or somebody asked Putin What do you make of the claims That they've been saying that you're equivalent to Hitler Especially Hillary Clinton said that

And his response was Hillary Clinton is a very dynamic woman Yes She's dynamic Yeah They gotta be I don't there's no there's not gonna be a nuclear war bro They're not comfortable with that I don't think I feel very comfortable

That I'm glad you're comfortable I feel comfortable that Russia is not gonna launch a nuclear war a nuclear missile. So Annie Jacobson hasn't rubbed off on you with nuclear war. She doesn't think there's going to be a nuclear war either. She seems a little worried about it. I wrote a whole book about it. Based on her book, I'm very inclined to believe that Putin or the United States or China, all the big, the only one that's all bets are off is Israel. I don't know if they're going to launch a nuke, but all of the other ones, I don't think they're launching a nuke. They're not. suicidal. Israel's the only one that could say,

fuck everyone, we're going to launch the nuke and bring back the fucking antichrist, fuck it. But I don't think it's going to happen. One of the things about her book that scared the shit out of me more than anything was that these interceptors they're talking about, they're only like 44% accurate. So when they tested these things on other missiles,

and they're not even testing them against like supersonic missiles. They're testing them against like generic low great low tech missiles right not supersonic shit 44% accurate. So the thing about nuclear war that Annie describes in her book is that when you launch a nuclear war you don't launch one missile. You launch the the mother load. So we have if you can Google it how many interceptors does the United States?

States have, I might be getting that stat wrong. It might be 44 interceptor missiles and the accuracy is like 40% or something like that. The U.S. has 44 active ground-based interceptors. GBI specifically designated for Homeland Defense Against Long Range Intercontinental ballistic missiles. So we have 44 interceptors. Now, what is the accuracy percentage-wise of each of those interceptors? U.S. Interceptor Accuracy Nuclear Yeah, okay All right

So do Do Go back Deef Do So recent conflicts Have drained U.S. Defense

Reserves quickly Using up Roughly 65 Yeah So Annie Go back to what we had Dief

So we have 44 Interceptors And then do Do the On the ask anything Say what is the percentage accuracy Of these

interceptors That should Probably give it to us Okay. It's thinking. The test accuracy rate of approximately 55 to 57 percent. That's like one out of two. That's generous for what Annie claimed in her book.

She said it was lower than that. So we have 44. Now, how many intercontinental ballistic missiles does Russia have? And do the math. So if they launch a nuclear war, they're not just going to send a handful. They're sending the fucking mother load. And the way Annie described that, this to me is we're not only fucked by how many interceptors we have and how accurate there.

What is it? 300 something? 520 to 530 for immediate launch. Okay. So, yeah, ready to go in less than a minute over 500. So the problem with this is the communication between the countries. So in her war, in her book, the scenario about nuclear war, she's using the hypothetical situation of North Korea launching a nuke. So North Korea launches a nuke.

And you have something like 17 minutes from the time it's launched to when it actually hits. And she hypothetically theorizes in her book that they're going to try to hit Washington with the first strike. And the second strike is supposed to hit the Minutemen in like Montana. So these people when they're these people when they war game nuclear war, they, the people who are being attacked, the second they find out that there's an incoming ICBM, they have to empty the minute men silos because those are stationary, right? We have nukes all over the place in planes. We can get planes off the ground instantly. We have nuclear subs all over the fucking world with tons

of icy, with tons of, tons of nuclear warheads on them, mirved warheads. But the ones that are, we have to get out of the silos instantly are the ones that are stationary in the ground in Montana because you either have to use it or lose it because we have to assume that they're going to target those and try to render those things useless. So the second our satellites detect a rocket being launched anywhere in the world, like North Korea, for example. We have like within that 17-minute window from launch to detonation, we have like three or four minutes to launch our nukes. And we have to figure out where to point them. So we have to know where they're going. And we have to be able to program on that. It's all pre-programmed, right? There's like within that nuclear football, there's like

launch codes. So we have a certain code for North Korea. We have another code for Russia, another code for China wherever. Imagine they get the code wrong. Oh shit. Wrong fourth digit. Right. Right. So.

So. And what she points out is if North Korea launched an ICBM, it has to overfly Russia. So what did she do for? And if we shoot them back, which we have to, it has to go over Russia. What does she say? She says the last time that we tried to get Russia on the phone about something very urgent, it took like more than a day for them to get back to us. So we have to launch our Minutemen missiles and we have to call get Russia on the horn stat and say,

yo, we're launching these things at North Korea, not for you. Don't shoot your missiles back at us. But it's not very likely they're going to answer the phone on the first call, on the first ring. I can't believe that. There has got, forget a red phone. There has to be a fucking burgundy phone somewhere that it's like you picked that. Hey, hey, Vlad. Yeah, yeah, fam.

We're good. Right. Call Miriam. get her on the fucking phone. Yeah, yeah. No, she's already on here. She can hear everything. Shout out Pegasus.

Like, there's got to be something. So in her scenario, though, we don't get them on the phone. They see our news. So we got North Korea's nukes coming at us. We're shooting ours back at them. Russia sees ours coming for North Korea. They think it's coming for them. They unload theirs.

And then before you know it, it's the world is gone. It's full on nuclear, thermonuclear war. And we're in like a nuclear winter and the world's just fucking destroyed. And why? is this in her estimation? Why is this never happened? Uh, why does she say? I don't remember why she said it's never happened before. Basically, the whole point of the book was just pointing out how poor, how poorly prepared we are for this and how bad the communication is. And essentially, none of the presidents ever practice these scenarios. Like, they don't, they don't game out,

okay, we're under nuclear war. Here's the football. What do we do? What option do we pick? Uh, it's never practiced with any of the presidents. So she also described this like doomsday plane that the president has to get on it's like air force one But it's like built to survive a nuclear blast so the windows are all blacked out this thing's like a tank and it's got this fucking something floating in the air can survive a nuclear blast well not like directly in the vicinity but within like a few hundred miles And it's got this crazy antenna that dangles off the bottom so it has to go into like basic radio mode because you can't use normal like Wi-Fi it's gone everything's gone it's like an EMP so this is like it goes like a Stone Age type radio frequencies that drops out the bottom of the plane. It's just it's built to circle the ocean for days and not run out of fuel. And that's how they're supposed to have Stratcom based out of that plane where they have like strategic command running the world from this

fucking doomsday plane that the president's on. And it's like, I can genuinely say I can like there's not a lot of things I can say this about. But because that's the worst known weapon in our civilian heads right now, if that were confirmed to be the case or close to the case when I won the election and we're going into transition, this would be the very first thing that I'm like, stick this on the schedule. We're going to do drills on this for as long as it takes. So I guess her case, I guess to answer your question earlier about why this hasn't been done yet, it is coming back to me why she theorized it hasn't been done yet. She believes that like the Joint Chiefs of Staff and like the highest level of military and all

of these governments have already gamed this out. The Pentagon's gamed it. Russia's gameed it. China's game, they all know what happens, which is why they all know launching one nuclear weapon is a suicide mission. The other reason, which she doesn't, I mean, the other thing you could fucking speculate about is all the UFO stuff being around nuclear sites. Does the big Yahoo know this, though?

I don't think he knows it. I don't think he gives a fuck. He's the only one we're all bets are off, bro. It's the turd in the punch bowl. It's like, we all have an understanding here. Yeah. We do not have an understanding. Right.

Right. But that scares the shit out of me. The one thing that scares me way more than that is the biological war stuff. I just read her biological war book. How was that? That one's even worse. Now, that's more we've seen, you know, the preconditions of something like that to see how society adapts when, you know, there's a claimed major biological weapon going on. Everyone went inside.

Now imagine one that actually like on contact kills everyone. So nuclear war, nuclear, building nuclear weapons so long as you're in the treaty, it's legal. A country, as long as it's a part of the treaty and does all agreements, it's completely legal to build nukes. It is unilaterally illegal across the entire globe to develop biological weapons. No country's allowed to do it. But every country does it. The U.S. does it. We have biological labs all over the U.S.

And they're ranked like from tier, like one to four. And we also have them in other countries, hidden in other countries, and other countries also have them all over the place. Is it rhyme with Shmoo-Main? And she was saying that all of the biological weapons research facilities are disguised as vaccine laboratories. All. Or 90% of them. High number. 90% tally.

You know what's crazy? There's a chance. It's not 100%. It might not be 50. But there's a better than 10% chance that someone has in AirPods right now listening to this who walks into one of those labs every day and like, oh, man, I wish I could tell them about this. Guess they'll never know. I thought you were going to say something about a chocolate outbreak in Hershey, Pennsylvania.

Well, that would be stealing John Stewart's line. But, yeah, I mean, the jokes write themselves sometimes. Right, right. So her book goes through all this. It goes through a scenario because there was a biological weapons lab in Russia. And she uses Russia in her scenario for this book. That was in the early 2000s, late 90s. I can't remember the fucking name of it.

It was a Russian name where there was an outbreak that was contained. And it was bubonic plague. So they were making bubonic plague. Oh, they weren't just making it. They were using bubonic plague, which naturally occurs in Russia. If you look at the history of the plague in Russia, there's like a certain area of Russia that's predisposed to natural plague. And it comes from a certain animal. I can't remember the fucking animal in the plague.

It's not a rat, right? No, it's something else. All right. Well, Shish didn't. I'm not even going to try to say that. Some fucking island. Operated from 1936 through this Cold War until it was hastily abandoned in the early 1990s following the collapse of the Soviet Union. This is the primary Soviet facility associated with open air testing and weaponized.

weaponization of bubonic plague yisniapestia and also and other lethal pathogens the 90s context as the site was decommissioned and abandoned in 91 92 concerns grew internationally over loose containment unsealed burial sites for test animals such as 1988 outbreaks outbreaks if you are thinking of an accidental city league rather than a remote testing ground the famous 1979 lab outbreak involved an anthrax release at compound 19. Maybe that was it. Maybe that was how I was thinking of. In Steadloff's, Yacadenberg, which was fully investigated and acknowledged in the early 90s.

You have to wonder how many we didn't know about, though, when these are the same people that were trying to say, no problem. You know, do you find out the animal that the plague comes from? Remember that? Like with Chernobyl? I mean, obviously, it's an amazing mini-series of people haven't seen it where they, you know, go through the history there. But they were trying to say, don't worry about this.

And it was like the worst nuclear reactor disaster ever. So it comes from wild rodents and is spread by humans by the bites of infected fleas. The bacteria that can cause, yes, neopestis, live naturally in populations of small mammals. Common carriers include rats and mice, squirrels and chipmunks, prairie dogs, rabbits and hairs. That's what she's in the book, Prairie dogs. So prairie, can we pull up a picture of praying dogs? So she had full, she fully sourced a story of a lab. And she said that this is the type of a thing that a pathogen that has been worked on for decades

in biological research labs is plague. They've been trying to figure out how to weaponize plague, make it more transmissible, and trying to do this thing called making it a chimera virus, where they make it like a triple-headed helix animal where it's like some ancient Greek term where they're trying to like make a bacteria that is indistinguishable. It's undiagnosable because it's also showing all these other symptoms. So as you walk into a hospital and you got the plague, well, you also happen to be bleeding out of your asshole, your eyes, your nose, and your skin is melting off your face. So they don't know what you have because you not only have these plague symptoms, but you have all these other fucking symptoms.

So you can't really figure out what the hell's going on. And that's what they were trying to do in this one lab in Russia. What was her sourcing like on this? Did she tell, she can't tell you who, but did she explain how she was able to get such kind of... Yeah, she did. I can't remember, though. They were all, you know, high-level government people. basically same people she uses for all her books all the you know CIA DARPA people they're very

honest they're very honest incredibly honest the most honest some would say yes um so in this situation though uh it was a plague that they were combining with chicken pox to make it aerosolized to where now plague is not just spread by touch which is the way traditional bubonic plague is spread but now i can cough and it's just in the air. I can breathe on you and you'll catch plague. So it's like ultimate worst case scenario. And she also points out there was this really smart neuroscientist who went to MIT who was Middle Eastern descent who got radicalized after 9-11 and she ended up going back over to the Middle East and got recruited by one of the terrorist group, maybe ISIS or something. And they convinced her to work on some biological weapon. And

that's exactly what she was doing. She was trying to combine rabies with chicken pox. And she got caught by the CIA. And she's in prison for life now in the U.S. in Texas. Can we pull that up? Yeah, she's in Texas. Neuroscientist. Find out her name. He already got it. The person you are referring to is Afia Sidicchi. That's her lady al-Qaeda. The core details regarding her life radicalization. Oh, no, rabies. Rabies and chicken pox. And specific biose. bio-weapon allegations involve the following timeline and facts. MIT connections. Siddiqui is an Islamic scholar and neuroscientist from Pakistan.

She moved to the United States for her higher education and earned a biology degree from MIT. She later earned her PhD and neuroscientists from Brandeis University in 2001. Pre-9-11, following the September 11th attacks, she became deeply radicalized, divorced her husband, and returned to Pakistan in 2003. U.S. authorities identified her as an al-Qaeda operative linked directly to 9-11 mastermind, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. She became not to be confused. I love how you're confusing now, KSM with JASM.

I don't think Joseph Scott Morgan likes that, but it's kind of hard. Joseph Sheikh Mohammed. Shout out Joseph Scott Morgan. She became the first woman placed on the FBI's most wanted terrorist list. After missing for several years, she was arrested by local things. authorities in Ghazni, Afghanistan in July 2008 when she was detained her handbag contained detailed notes, manuals, and documents regarding chemical weapons, dirty bombs, and biological agents. While not featured prominently in her public court records, investigative journalist Annie Jacobson

revealed interviews with former CIA and biodefense officials showing that Siddiqui's handwritten notes outlined plans to engineer a genetically modified airborne pathogen combining the rabies virus with highly contagious virus like chickenpox to create a weapon with a near 100% And rabies is more deadly than the plague. Rabies is 100% death rate. Unless you get the anti-bodies or whatever. Yeah, it's not what Jim Lawler got. Mad Dog.

Yeah, mad dog. He barely survived, bro. Yeah. So this is what I think about a lot, Danny Jones, that, like sometimes when I stay up at night, like I sleep pretty good, believe it or not. But sometimes when I'm staying up, this is the kind of thought I have. How much would you say this weighs right here, this Duncan? I have no idea a couple ounces Okay, it weighs maybe like an ounce

Because this weighs almost nothing And there's an ounce left in it Pretend it doesn't have a top in it Okay All I have to do in our world today Is that And we could all be gone In multiple ways

And I wonder why that Never had one accident Never had one Jack Bauer 24 moment where it got out And somehow he was able to save the day, but we're not able to save the day. I know we hear about things later that happened that we didn't know about that were these crazy close calls. And some of the same people that we righteously rip all the time might have actually done something good. Shout out to them on those types of situations.

But like, why does maybe the nuclear one makes sense? Because it's like mutually assured destruction. But why does one crazy person somewhere not get access to some. something like this and just stick it in an air fan in a train station and let nature take its course. Like, why does that never happen? I'm not saying it can, obviously. I believe it can. But it's amazing to me that it's never occurred.

Yeah. Well, we don't really understand how it works, like, as far as population wise, you know. Like, I'm sure, like, there have been documented cases where the shit has gotten out. Like, there was a famous leak she talks about that happened in Russia where it was like a press debacle that happened where doctors and politicians were getting on the stand trying to explain what happened. And it was from this one specific lab leak. And I forget, I want to say it was plague. It was some version of the plague. Maybe it wasn't bubonic plague. Maybe it was like a pneumonia type plague, like a pneumonic plague. But I think nature, so what they're doing is they're genetically

modifying these viruses to make them slip past the radar. and to make them more viral, make them more transmissible, make them harder to diagnose. And I think that, and this, I had this smart biologist lady explain this to me, who has nothing to do with any of this stuff. She just, I commented, I mentioned this to her. And she, her gut reaction was that like, if this genetically modified shit gets out into the human population, she goes, those pathogens, they want to keep their hosts alive. Yeah.

They don't want their hosts to die. So very quickly or in short order relatively, she thinks that they're going to mutate to not become deadly. I hope she's right about that. She does have like a lot of us out there now know post-COVID. She has real scientific backing to be able to say that because viruses go, oh shit, wait, ooh, not that much. But then is not that much like it becomes the last of us and we're just a bunch of fucking mushrooms running around like zombies, maybe. Right. That wouldn't be good.

But something getting airborne that like once it's airborne, you can't just like... It's scarier because it's invisible. At least with a nuclear bomb, you know what the fuck's happening, right? You kind of can see the monster. You know what? You kind of have an idea what's going to happen. Like we're going to burn in a fireball or we're going to die of radiation. And it's not going to go well.

But like with some unknown pathogen where everyone's panicking, it's like the alien movies where you never see the alien or the scariest ones or the monster movies where you never see the monster are the scariest ones. When you know what it looks like, it's like not as shocking to you. But it's the ones where you never really show it that gives you the worst nightmares. Yeah. What are we looking at here? All right.

So Trump is saying now, now we're putting this out in like a week. So this will be whatever. But let's get 11 seconds. Trump says Putin is not attacking a NATO territory. I'm sure he gave him this assurances. Let's see. Agreed or committed to not attacking a NATO territory. I've had good talk to him.

He's not going to be attacking a NATO territory. All right, that clears it up, folks. The Tim Dillon, the last Tim Dillon episode where he's shot, I don't know if you saw it, but he had the boy who saved the Mexican boy. Oh, I saw that clip. Oh my God. That was one of the greatest clips I've ever found. Dude, he nailed it. Yeah, he nailed it. He nailed it.

He couldn't be more uninterested in this guy's rescue story. Like, he's like, well, how are we making money here? Oh my god. You know how like in the Titanic they had, and it was in real life too, but you can see it in the movie where they had the band playing the violins while everyone's freaking out and they just went down with the ship to keep everyone calm. When the ship's going down in the world, I just want Tim Dillon to be playing. It'll make me feel a little better about things, you know?

Yes. I'll be like, at least I'm going out listening to this fucking Long Island psycho, go through things at fucking 12D chess that are actually all of jenks. most likely true. And tell us there's no hope, but I'll feel better about it. Oh my God, dude. So fucking spot on he is. That guy just gets it.

He just gets it, bro. And he can deliver it in the best, most satirical, funny way. That is always, he's always just spot on with people. Like, he gets human nature and how these people think and how people like Trump think. Well, he's, but the thing I feel like Tim doesn't get enough credit for, like people, love him and they know how well he can break these things down and how funny he is and how over the target he is

like he gets he should get more credit than he gets but he gets credit on that I don't think people understand how genius the guy is like like don't let the all shucks thing for you like he is fucking clicking at all times yeah he's next

like next fucking level next fucking level natural smarts didn't need to be a fucking subprime mortgage broker he could have been anything He could have been the one making the fucking rockets if he wanted to. Oh, God. I just... It's either that or his take, his take on, uh, on when the whole, when the Epstein stuff was like really...

They're eating the baby. He's like, this country, this country has been boiled down to when you're going to the voting booth, it's pick your favorite pedophile. He's like, if you want to get anything done in this country, you have to have some sort of sort of blackmail on you to have any fucking power. Again, hard to argue. God, he's so on it, man. That's hard to argue. He's so fucking on it, dude.

But going back to this, I do have to read that book. Annie's books are great. Yeah. Never had her on the show. You got to get her on. We'd love to get her on. We've tried many times. But it feels like she does every other podcast.

I know, right? Yeah, she's doing the world tour right now. I just have like a weird thing. I love Annie Jacobson's, but like her books are fucking amazing. My favorite book she ever day was that DARPA book. But like it's like it's, you know, not to discredit Annie or anyone like her. But I, you have to kind of like take it with a large grain of salt when all of her fucking sources are intelligence people. And they're all ex-military people.

100%. It's the same thing that Jobie's come in here and literally set out. loud on the podcast because he's been in had to cover that world for so long it's like even when he was talking about joby warr even when he was doing the week to week stories or the day to day stories and they'd be breaking something that'd have to go go into a room and basically throw darts at the at the wall yeah just you know ene meeny ma'mo are they using this for obfuscation or is their actual truth here you don't fucking know are you back there in langley right but like it is it's really hard When I go to read an Annie Jacobson book, this is just my thought process on it.

I'm like, if there's 20% of this book that's over the target, it's a big deal. And that's why I want to know. And then the problem is I got to figure out which 20 and which is 20 and which is 80. Right. And then you have to take into account also is that she's using these same sources for multiple books, multiple stories, you know? Yes. So like- You get attached to them.

You can attach to these people and they become valuable to you. And it's just like any bureaucracy. Yes. You know, you don't want to piss those people off. You don't want to bite the hand that beat you. The one I do think about a lot that I've heard from some guys like Danny Hall in here is like, obviously, we can look back at a rock and see what a fucking ridiculous gambit that was. And the neocon kind of inside job of just like, let's make this happen. It was.

And what bullshit it was. All that. None of that changes. They didn't have a nuke. That's how it was sold. Oh, they've got weapons. of mass destruction, nukes. He didn't have that.

He never did. There was never evidence they did. But, you know, Danny Hall talks about personally finding some of the biological shit. And he's not, he's not the only one. There's been a couple other guys that talked to me about that off camera. What do you mean biological shit? The biological weapons. Of Saddam.

Yeah. And I want to know what they, what they were and what the full extent of them was. Because not to discount biological weapons, but if it was just, say, for. example, like some sarin gas or something that we at least know like, oh, that would be really bad if you did it, but it's contained. Yeah. Right. Then it's ridiculous. But like if he was doing shit like that lady or something. Right. You wonder. It is very curious. Like you were saying, it's amazing that none of this shit has gotten out. There's been no nuclear war. There's been no biological war. How convenient? How amazing is it that we've had for as evil as a guy, you think

Putin is for cracking a few eggs along the way. How fucking pragmatic and sane he's been when it comes to not escalating against us who have been provoking the fuck out of him. Like, would you rather have Putin running Russia or would you rather have one of Saddam's kids running Russia? Putin, right? Yeah. So like a matter, like it's it's a blessing we don't have Saddam's kids, two of his sons, running some country that's nuclear armed with nukes. Pretty much every country. has some level of psychopath to on a range of sociopaths and all these things running it. You got to crack a few eggs to make an anomaly. You want the lead when when you're in the shit, you don't have to sit here and say,

therefore someone's a good guy because they're doing the least worst thing. Right. But at least say, well, I'm glad someone's doing the least worst thing and not like the next thing on the menu that's a little worse or the next thing that's a lot worse. Right. You know, and it's and it's a fair point. You can say you can hold multiple thoughts at the same time. And this is my problem with fucking everything in society now.

Well, no, I'm dead serious. Like, it is something that so many people can't do. You could say like, you know, think of the worst person and then find one thing and be like, that objectively wasn't the worst thing ever. Right. And but people's brains can't hold that. You have to be able to hold that. You have to be able to have these conversations.

Of course. And I'll say this. This is one big knock on wood here. This is one really good thing that in what I would characterize as a disastrous Trump administration has happened. One thing we have seen a 180 degree turn on in some respects is censorship. Yeah. We have seen that. Now, is that just like a short term draw them out and then it's not going to last and they're going to suck it all back in maybe? But that is one. thing in this world where he at the same time has allowed a massive fucking AI surveillance state to fucking come in there and take over, which that's a huge problem, a bigger problem, you could argue. But like there's one little glimmer right there and I'll say that. Like you can sit here and be like this bad, this bad, that horrible, this is nuclear, that's awful. And then be like, well, this did happen. Yeah.

You gotta be able to do that. Yeah. And also like it's some of these guys like this bad as they are, Trump and Putin and all these other people, it was probably better to have them than their fucking kids. Why is it that all these people's kids end up being 10 times more terrible than they are? Like they always, the kids always end up being fucking psychopaths, dude. Like the prime example of Saddam's kids. Like they were kidnapping women after their weddings and raping and fucking feeding them to their dogs.

It's like Game of Thrones. Yeah. And they pulled off the probably the least worst thing they did. They pulled off like the biggest bank heist in world history. When the Iraq war started, they just went to the bank and said, give us a billion dollars. and left. Can we look that up? Was that when it was? Didn't Chalaby have something to do with that? I don't know. I don't remember. But yeah, they were crazy. There's, but it's also like, and I think about this a lot. And this is why it gets weird when you look at these established

bloodline families. It's like they're all psychos because they constantly are having to live in the shadow of what's in front of them and they got to swing your dick to feel important. Yeah. I think, listen, and some people give me shit for this. I think the whole concept of like creating generational wealth is a real trap. And I'm, listen, I'm not saying, hey, make sure your kids are destitute. You know, that kind of thing. But I think a kid operates from behind when they grow up in complete opulence. 100%.

100%. It's every example of everyone I've ever met. It's, it is so, I've seen some exceptions to the rule, but it always involved fucking amazing parents. I've seen a couple exceptions to the rule, but it's been in particular with people I know, it's been kids who were thrown into, like their parents had very successful businesses. In my case, I'm thinking about a family I know who's like has a huge construction company in Florida, but they threw the kids into the construction company like in high school. And they were like, maybe they didn't have to fucking swing hammers and do all the crazy, you know,

the grunt work at first. But they were responsible for running jobs with, you know, by themselves and then they got their heads on the chopping block if they fucked up. Hands got dirty. I also knew lots of kids who had ungodly wealth, um, that I, like, was around when I grew up in Florida. And those kids never had any motivation to do anything. Yeah, it's, but it also, the most important decision you make in the process is like, who you marry. And like that's something you marry, who you marry, absolutely. Like, that's something you got very right. Like Lexi's amazing and it's like gets it and the whole bit. But like, you know, so many people, men and women out there are materialistic.

So in my case, looking at women that I'd look to marry, there's so many people who just see a bag and things like that. And sometimes can hide that really well. And then they become the mother of your kids. And now they're giving kids a bag and buying them this and that fuck that man. Like that is a really fucking scary thing to me. I don't want someone that's like, why don't we? own a house that has 10 bedrooms. Like, no. Yeah. You know, and I know so many girls like that, man. I meet so many young girls like these days, like friends of my wife and even, you know,

just friends of friends of my wife and people I meet that are just like, they try to explain how they want their life to be and like how the guy is going to be that they meet and marry. And it's just like, you're completely looking at this whole thing fucking backwards, at least for Like the way I agree with it. It's just like, I just got so lucky with my wife. Like there was it was complete shit luck accident that my wife walked up to me at a bar and she happened to be happened to be like the best thing that's ever happened to me in my life. Like I would not be anywhere. I would not be able to hold a candlestick to what I've been able to do with my life and like where I'm at right now. If it

wasn't for her. Like, it's just the amount of, and she doesn't give a flying fuck about anything I do as far as work goes. Right. She's not the least bit interested in my podcast at all. And to quote Tucker Carlson, this is the best quote that I've ever heard him say and I've never been able to resonate with a quote as much as this. And he said, I think it was to Nick Fuentes on Nick Fuentes' podcast. Because Nick Fuentes was going the whole like, you know, I want my woman to do this. She needs to wash the dishes. She needs to support me and make me be the most powerful man I can be. And Tucker's response to him was like, I couldn't disagree with you any more than that. He's like, he's like, you want your significant other to be interested in you, not what you do. He goes,

that's what's, that what makes you balanced. And that's what keeps you sane. And that's what keeps you knowing your own limits. And someone who's honest with you about it. And can look at it from 30. That's why Lexi's great. Because she, like you said, she's not like in it every day caring about every goddamn thing someone says on your podcast. She doesn't give a fuck.

She's never watched a second of any of my podcasts. That's right. I promise you that. That's right. But like she can look at it from 30,000 feet in the air then with things you do and be able to give unbiased takes. And I used to think she was a loser. Lexi? Yeah.

When we first met, I was like, I thought I had a preconception of what I wanted my wife to be. I thought I wanted like a wife who was a go getter, a hustler, like, you know, maybe like super fucking cultural like new good music had the same music taste as me. But this girl like super attracted to her. Don't get me wrong. But like she wanted to be a housewife and she wanted kids.

And I was like, that's not what I want. Whatever. I'm like, I'll deal with this girl for a while and we'll see what happens. And we had kids and it was like, Jesus Christ, I couldn't have got luckier. Yeah. Like literally the best thing that could have ever happened to me. That's awesome. It's the only reason I'm here today.

The only reason I'm here today. You're well coached on that one. Delivery was perfect. I bought it word for work. Did you? I did. Perfect. I hope it works.

I did. But I know you made in all seriousness. But it's a real thing. You see the old quote, the son of a great man is very rarely something like the son of a great man is very rarely a great man or whatever. Yeah. There's reasons for it, you know? That's why I'm one of the reasons I'm really grateful I did the job I did out of college working in private wealth on Wall Street is because, yeah, this whole existing book of

business that my boss had gotten for 30 years before I got there. And so I'm coming in there, cutting my teeth with people who are really successful and getting to see some of the things that made some of them successful, things I like, sometimes things I didn't like, but then also get to see the family dynamics. And the ones that stood out were the exceptions to the rule to where the family money was never a part of it. And the kids were awesome doing their own things. The parents have been amazing. And I did see examples of that, which gives me hope.

But all the ones who were so concerned about trust fund this, pass down this, make sure they're in control of that with the business. Yeah. You know, you'd be looking at that. And then you talk to the kids and it would just be, I had empathy for it. Just I'd be like, you never had a shot. You know? Like, whatever that is, I don't want my kids to have that. Like, when I had Red Man here, that was one thing, like, I really fucked with him on.

He's got, like, five kids, they're all doing their own thing. Really? He still lives in the same place he lived when he did the fucking famous Cribs episode. Really? 25 years ago. Like, he just doesn't give a fuck. He's like, I'll do my thing, love my kids, got a great relationship with all of them, but they got to go make their own path. Right.

Like, fuck yeah, dude. That's how it's done. Yeah. Just ask Michael Jordan's kid doing his own thing. He's living, bro. Imagine living under that shadow. Fucking Michael Jordan's your dad? Imagine doing the dating scene with that being your fucking dad.

Or imagine being named Bronny and your dad's LaGron James. Or that too, yeah. It's so hard. Yeah. I feel I just can't, I can't fucking fathom what it would be like to be like trying to date in today's world. especially when everyone's there's no it's very rare where your first interaction with somebody is going to be in the real world like usually you see like from what I understand is you find somebody on some dating app or you see them on Instagram and like you kind of like prejudge them

by scrolling through their history like oh let's see what kind of person this is am I going to a fucking vibe with this person or whatever then you finally go meet and then it's just like you're kind of like starting from behind because you have this preconceived notion of who they are And you're trying to like prejudge them. So it's kind of fucking it up. And then on top of that, it's like when you're doing it all digitally, what kind of, how is that fucking up like the genetic match between you and that person? It's an algorithm.

You know, because it's, well, when you're looking at somebody through a screen digitally and you're only seeing like a 2D version of them, it's completely different from what you're seeing in real life. When you see the 3D version with all the smells, all the fucking movements they make, the way they talk, the way, whatever. It's, it's obviously two million years of evolution has made us be adapted to not the screens. So how are we going to evolve? What's the trajectory going to be when we're making those decisions on procreating based

on looking at them through a digital screen? There's this chick who came on the podcast who was talking about, um, this smell test study, this sweaty t-shirt study where they gave, and this girl's like an evolutionary biologist where she gave all these women. Oh, I saw this. Sweaty t-shirts. You know that? And she had all the women rate how attractive the sweaty t-shirt was on a scale of 1 to 10. And they took the sweaty t-shirts and all the women rated them from 1 to 10 or whatever. And then they measured the DNA somehow, some scientific way of the man whose sweat she thought was attractive and her. And what they found out was the women who found the sweat really attractive, they found out their immune systems fit perfectly. So where the women's immune system, lacked, the man's immune system made up for that so that if they reproduce, they would create a more robust immune system in their kid. Whoa.

Fucking nuts. How does it, how does Instagram fuck that up? Well, again, is that a part of the plan? You know, how this is? Because also think it just, you're pointing out the evolutionary stuff, thinking about the psychology of it. Oh, yeah, that too. And like, by the way, I don't want to say this like it's anyone's fault.

But then, you know, you do a job like this. some girl reaches out to me and this happens a lot it's not their fault they know me they've listened to sometimes thousands of hours of me and you know what they got

a private Instagram I don't know anything about them and it's very again not their fault this is literally what I do for a living of course it's available of course they're gonna listen to them flattered that they like it

flattered that they like me those are awesome things but then you go out with them and I'm sitting there Not a normal conversation. It is, I can get it there, but it takes a couple hours because no fault of their own. I want to be really clear on that. But I'm just sitting there and there's a guard up that never would have been up six years ago, you know, seven years ago before I did this.

You know, it's a weird, it's a weird thing because you can you can either be hidden from the internet or all over it, depending on what you do. And depending on how that gets reported or whatever. And then people create this visual of who you are. And then even, you know, in the world now, people are so trained to just be judging every little thing digitally that they're uncomfortable around you personally as well. You know, that's not normal. That's something I really, I've talked about this a few times. Yeah, you have guys that like hit on girls on social media all the time, message them all the time. If they see each other in person, the guy will not say a fucking word.

or even like look at the girl. That's right. And there's guys are pussies, dude. Like I had this friend, I had this girlfriend who, not a girlfriend, but she's a really good friend of mine. You're careful. You say that. She's been a friend of mine and my wife's, one of my wife's best friends for a long time. And she's like in the dating scene and she's meeting all these guys on social media. And when like she tries to take the initiative and be like, yo, I'm out at this fucking bar.

or I'm at this restaurant going to leave. What are you doing? These guys are just like, they're clamming up and they're not outgoing. And they're like almost just like afraid to have any sort of social interaction. And I don't know what that is that like something that they've been like a programming thing where they've gotten accustomed to not being afraid to meet people in person or they're afraid of rejection or they're just too accustomed to the social media interaction. They don't, they're afraid they're going to get rejected in real life. I don't know

what it is, but it seems like most guys, I don't know generationally where the divide is, but it seems like most guys who are trying to like meet women online and play that game, they're just pussies nowadays. Yeah, it's a combination of all those things. And what I would add to it is it's also a now generation of programming to make that has largely tried to make the dynamic about men, young guys growing up being self-aware in all the wrong ways about their natural evolutionary biology and being told that that's toxic and you can't do that and by the way it's creepy to hit on a girl in a public place or something like that like these are all i've seen that get built in and i can point to times where it's like oh things really changed in that time period i remember that you know

because i'm like coming of age when all this stuff was was happening and that again It's like a way that society has been wired to create enemies out of each other. I mean, every time you come across something that's where it's one gender call on the other toxic or crazy or something like that. It's so overused, man. Not to say that stuff doesn't exist. It does. But the percentage of time that it exists is, you know, fucking 1% if that of when people claim it. And that creates frustration.

And it creates, it's not good. it's really fucking bad and your friend's stories are that's the kind of shit i i hear a lot yeah for sure yeah i have no idea where it's going to go or where it's going to end up but fuck dude it's going to take something it's going to take a major shift in something to get that right because if if there really is a population issue it's not the outlook's not good with the way technology is going and with AI and all that shit. Yeah, so

my man James on Twitter wrote this unbelievable thread the other day. God damn it. What's like the key words? So type in Rome.

Yeah, just to do that. Hit James right. Yes, good call thief. Let's do James Rome. There it is. So this is. is from James Lucas. I want to read this because it's so fascinating with historical implications.

He does amazing work on Twitter. Everyone should go follow him at James Lucas. What is this guy like a Roman historian? Yes. And he lives out there. And he's, I'm sorry, I shouldn't say he's a Roman historian. He's a, he posts like a lot of traditional culture content. So a lot of architecture and how things used to be beautiful and stuff like that. Like he's a very aesthetic account with like an intellectual lens. It's really good. So how society is devolved. So he says, we think the collapse in birth rates is a modern problem. It is not. The most powerful man in the world once faced the exact same thing and he was so alarmed, he passed laws to force his people to have children. This was a modern government. It was Rome 2,000 years ago. The emperor was Augustus and by his reign,

the Roman elite had grown wealthy, comfortable, and reluctant to marry or raise families. Men preferred bachelorhood and affairs to the burden of a wife and children. Augustus found it alarming enough to legislate around 18 BC and again in AD9, he pushed through the Lex Julia and Lex Pappia Poppier, a sweeping set of laws designed to engineer a baby boom by decree. The measures were direct. Unmarried men with childless couples or childless couples face penalties on what they could inherit. Those who married and had children were rewarded with faster careers in public honors. Women who bore three or more children were granted a special legal freedom, the Ayus Trillium Liberarium, the right of three children, releasing them,

from male guardianship. The state was quite literally paying its citizens to reproduce and finding them when they did not. Here's the catch step. It didn't work. The laws were resented, evaded, and it endlessly tinkered with, and Rome's elite went on having small families anyway. The historian Cassius Dio records Augustus standing before the childless men of Rome and shaming them to their faces. Quote, you are committing murder and not targeting in the first place those who ought to be your descendants, unquote. A city he warned them is not its buildings, but it's people for it is human beings that constitute a city in houses or portico not houses or porticos or marketplaces empty of men now look at the numbers today for a population simply to hold steady

women need to average about 2.1 children each south korea recently hit 0.72 the lowest rate ever recorded for any country on earth and even after a small rebound to 0.8 in 2025 it remains less than half of what a country needs to sustain itself italy maybe because they're all moving to Khan Valley and all those guys are marrying them. Italy and Japan sit near 1.2, China around 1.0, Spain near 1.1.1. The United States is about 1.6, the United Kingdom, 1.5. According to the UN, more than half the world's countries are now below the line. History doesn't... Japan's fucked. Japan's fucked. History doesn't repeat itself. The saying goes, but it often rhymes, and the pattern is old and eerily familiar. A society climbs to the height of its wealth and comfort, and that it's

very peak for its people stop having children and no law, no incentive, no some of money seems able to take them back to it, back into it. Rome tried with the full power of an empire behind it and failed. At its height, the city held more than a million people, a size no European city would reach again for 1700 years until London in the 1880s and the 1800s. The Roman historian Livy, writing as the Republic gave way to the empire, said he would, he was an age that, quote, can endure neither its vices nor its cure, unquote. Two thousand years later, staring at the same problem and just as unable to solve it, we may be watching the beginning of the same story. A civilization does not always fall to the enemy at the gates. As the historian, Arnold J.

Toynbee once said civilizations die from suicide, not by murder. Fucking amazing tweet from James right there going through it. And I think about this a lot right now because remove like the elites from it. I think a lot of us would agree that some of the elites are the elites right now, we'd be fine with their fucking bloodline stopping. But when society gets to a point to where a successful, people in society just overall, look at the top 20% or whatever, are valuing less creating families over their ability to do it. It is suicide.

There's no way to argue with that. Yeah. For sure. Also, all this stuff, like how this guy's pointing out the correlations between what was going on in ancient Rome and now it's like most of the shit that's happening now was going on in ancient Rome. That's right. It's insane.

Like even like what's this case with this lady who just murdered her kids? This huge case. It's like the number one thing right now that on the news where this crazy court case where the lawyer is trying to basically just defend this woman based on her psychological state and how insane she is to try to get her off the death sentence. Is that right? Something like that. Get her off. And this is another thing that's been going on since the beginning of recorded history is mothers killing their children. And it's like one of those things that just defies huge. human nature and motherly, a mother's, like the one thing that is sort of known and is not contested

in the universe is the power of a mother's love. So how could a mother kill her own children? Well, there's been, there's this lady who's an incredible researcher and author. Her name's Heather Lynn. And she writes about all this stuff and she's got a great substack. And I read a lot. I read her shit almost every day. And she was, She wrote this incredible account of like going through all the history of how infanticide and how are you say that infanticide when you murder your infant has been happening since the beginning of recorded history, especially in ancient Rome and ancient Greece, where people have kids, we're having kids all the time, prostitutes were accidentally getting pregnant and having kids all the time. They couldn't afford the kids. They couldn't afford to feed the kids. They didn't have time to take care of the kids.

And often, yeah, this is the article right here, the H-Files, this lady is fucking awesome. She's super smart. And basically she explains how, like, laws had to change throughout time. Like, at one point, people were just leaving their fucking infants on the side of the road to die. And, like, this newborn baby would just wither out in the fucking, in the open world with people going by and no one would care. People would just ignore it. And eventually, like, as like the new leaders would start to emerge, they would realize like, okay, we have to have more morals in our society and we have to figure out a way to deal with this. So they would create these government funded orphanages, for lack of a better term, where they would put a box, a wooden box on the outside of the fucking building.

So the mother who didn't want her child anymore could just discard the child, put it in the box. No one would see who it was. But on the other side, the people that were funded would take the baby in and try to take care and nurture the baby and try to get find an adopting family for it. But because this place was government funded and this is in the fucking ancient world, they kept a lot of the money and let a lot of the infants die. It's the same fucking story. So it's like now all of the media attention and all of the all of the fucking all of these legal brains that dedicate their lives to understanding the law and defending people. are trying to solve the problem still of what defines the legal punishment of killing a kid. So it's like right now the law is within, it's within like the first year.

If you kill a kid within the first year, it's you can determine that the woman is clinically insane for like postpartum depression or other types of psychosis from having birth. Even like lactating can allegedly give you some sort of moral, like some sort of psychological defects. And legally they're allowed, they can get them off with, if it's within the first year, according to this article. After that, if you're killing like your kids when they're older, like five or six, there's no justification for that. There's no like legal barrier for that. But like you have people who are like these lawyers who are defending this woman in this case who are trying to still solve the problem of like how do we legally punish people for killing their children instead of trying to use all. their brain capacity to figure out how do we just stop killing children? How do we fix the system

or fix what's wrong with society? Not just the symptom that fix like the root of the cause to like why are people still trying to kill their fucking children? What's wrong with these people? What's wrong with their lives and like boiled all the way down to like a societal socioeconomic level to why does this still have to fucking happen to this day? I think there's something really broken in society that again it's not There's historical precedents for this, but we're seeing a new cycle of it that is just particularly evil. When you see all these women making TikTok trends throwing things in front of their kids and shit, like, I guess my bias is I came from a really loving household where my mom's sole mission in life was to be a mom. And I was very lucky to get that.

So it does not even clock for me the idea of a mother being annoyed by the fact. fact that they have a kid around like that does not enter my consciousness but to see the defense that they that they give this lady it's it's another prime example of you should be able to hold multiple thoughts at the same time you can criticize the doctor who gave her a cocktail of i don't know whatever it was 10 different drugs whatever it was there were s r i's all those things and you can criticize the farm industry that's been pushing these things and you can criticize the fact that there are you know unnecessary things that are pressed to upon society and there's some grander plan there that's very sinister do all that great you can also

say this woman's a fucking psycho who killed her own kids and whatever happens to her she'd fucking happen to her right you know what i mean now her lawyer's their job constitutionally is to defend her that's what they're doing you know as annoying as that might be watching some cases sometimes you know when you see fucking a terrorist getting defended or something like that that is their job everyone else it's not their job to be out there holding signs it's not their job to be making tic-to trends yeah and like Like, I just don't understand why this is so hard. You look at that woman.

Did you see the video of her staring down the jury yesterday? No. This was a few days ago now. Can we pull that up, Deep? There is no soul in these eyes. Right. You and I sit across from people for a living. We stare people in the eyes for hours and hours at a time.

We have a pretty good gauge of it. Guess what? Everyone else out there who doesn't do this also has a pretty good fucking gauge of it if they do it for long enough. And it's like, there's no soul here. Let's put this full screen. I want people to see this. There is absolutely nothing behind those eyes. That is a...

Oh my God. That is a... Holy shit. That's a monster. Yeah. Post stipulation for that portions of that support and then... Yeah, that's enough. Maybe...

Yeah, but also you don't know like... This woman just fucking murdered her kids and she's like the most... Getting so much goddamn attention over it. And she knows it that the whole world is watching her and judging her for like this insanely evil act that she just committed that she is probably. The whole thing has probably fucking changed her and warped her mind more than we can even fucking imagine. And was she like that the day before she killed her kids? We don't know. This whole thing could be a contributing factor to what's made her look like that to where there's nothing left.

Maybe she's fucking lost it ever since. Maybe. She still killed all her kids. She still killed her kids. Right. For sure. But like still, like my point is, my point is, uh, I don't know if you can just say that she was a psychopath. And that's why she killed her kids. I think like the whole process of that whole thing combined with all the media attention and this whole charades. Sure. Sure. Yeah.

Is like really driven it. Maybe. Beyond any kind of return. Maybe. Maybe. Maybe. But I'm going to keep it simple on the front end. she did what she did and you know people pick some strange battles sometimes i saw something this week where the woman who like went into a house and got 90% of her body burns saving her six kids her go fund me raised like 40 grand lindsay's raised like 1.2 million or something like that

and it's like something's very very broken in society when you see ratios like that i'm sorry There's no other way to put it. And again, you should be able to hold multiple thoughts at the same time. You can call out the farm industry. You can call out doctors. You can call out the SSRIs. We do that a lot on this show. But like, yeah, just pretty low bar.

Don't kill your kids. How about that? Yeah. You know, I just, I can't even, I can't even fathom someone doing that. And you know there's an extra bond with a woman because she's the one that carried them for nine months. There's a bond that you and I can never understand, you know? And I just, it doesn't, it doesn't clock for me that you could do that.

It's just, that's such a, I feel like there's just been some crazy red lines for me that have been crossed this year. Humans are fucking weird, dude. And to think that like the mines were just sacrificing kids because it wasn't raining enough. Because it wasn't raining enough. Let's just go throw some kids off this pyramid and cut their heads off because we want more rain to come. We want to appease the rain gods. it's the same thing it's just like now the the religious leaders have become the scientists the religious leaders have become the scientists yeah meaning they used to do the same thing

for religious purposes and now it's gone back into science to where now we're trying to scientifically analyze and weigh and determine what's wrong with these people's heads and to fucking hyperanalyze why they did it to determine what sort of fucking punishment they're going to get combined with all the media and all that stuff. It's just completely gone off the rails. But it's the same, we're the same people. We're the same fucking human beings that we're doing this shit three, four thousand years ago.

So, Dee's pulling up a great quote from Werner Hotsog on psychoanalysis in the 20th century. Quote, I'd rather die than go to an analyst because it's my view that something fundamentally wrong happens there. If you harshly light every last corner of a house, the house will be uninhabitable.

It's like that with your soul. If you light it up, shadows and darkness and all, people will become uninhabitable. I'm convinced that it's psychoanalysis along with quite a few other mistakes that has made the 20th century so terrible. As far as I'm concerned, the 20th century in its entirety was a mistake. Bro, I just saw a sick clip from a documentary by Warner Herceau about, did you see that too, where they're lighting the oil fields on fire? I sent that to Steve.

Have you seen that? Dude, that documentary looks fucking. Sick. Pull up that clip. These guys are just throwing Molotov cocktails into these oil geysers that are shooting up into the sky. That's insane footage.

Do we have the clip? Yeah, that's on my list. I just said that to Steve. Are we going to get a copy? Literally yesterday. No, it was on Instagram. It was like a short clip. I don't think you'll get a copywritten for that.

Deves grabbing it. Yeah. Some men just want to watch the world burn. Some men just want to watch the fucking world burn messed a wing. I love how you got the fucking Batman posters all over your place, by the way. Yeah, I got three of them.

I got three gladiators. Right above your bed, right above the entrance to your room. You have the Batman thing. Yeah. I love that fucking... It's a great movie. It's a great fucking movie, dude. It's a great fucking movie, dude.

There it is. All right. Yeah. Right here. Look at this shit, bro. From Rowan. God damn it. That's insane.

Can you fucking imagine? that's insane dude this guy was on another fucking level with his movies man yeah man he was one he was one of the legends that I was so unfamiliar

with a few years ago really yeah completely what was the one about the bear and I never put two and two together grizzly man I knew about that but I never put two and two together that was him yeah and then I was talking with someone

on the podcast and they're like weren't hers on I'm like not familiar with the work and you just start going through it and you're like yeah he's one of those ones man yeah he's one of those ones different fitzcaroldo they pulled a boat they pulled a real boat over a mountain for that movie and like one of the crew members had to remove his foot there there was all kinds of shit they did committed committed he's got to make a shark man documentary now a shark man

documentary the grizzly man you got to make a shark man no follow the sharks no i'm not watching the darpa sharks yeah you follow the DARPA sharks with the camera you can do that You and all the fucking Florida men swimming with sharks. We're going to get you surfing, Julian Dory. I surfed when I was a kid. I retired, bro. You're in the best, one of the best states in the country for surfing. I retired.

That was from surfing? No, but it's very could easily happen again doing something like that. Like my hands in front of me. We need to connect you with nature. We need to get you out there surfing those ice cold New Jersey waves. No, I think the game ain't in me no more. You guys don't have any sharks here either, so you're fine. That part we're pretty okay with.

Way better than Florida. You're doing way better than Florida. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. We just went on like a one hour tangent away from Eric Clapper, though, in UFOs. So we got to come back to that loop. Sorry, people.

We did promise that. So we'll come back. But you're saying Clappers. Oh, we're edging the audience on Eric Clapper. What's his name, James Clapper? James Clapper. I say Eric. Sorry.

I was thinking Eric Clapton. But, yeah, so James Clappers and all these UFO videos you're saying. Yeah, I can't believe it. Dude, all those fucking goofy press conferences about UFOs. James Clapper is like right in the front row with his hearing age just sitting there watching. And it's just like, why? Like, is this not the biggest red flag that this whole thing is like some sort of operation, some sort of weird psychological. And he's out now.

He's, so James Clapper is among the high-ranking former government officials featured in the investigative filmmaker, James Fox's documentary, The Age of Disclosure. Yeah. That's not James Fox's documentary. No, that's, yeah, James Fox was a part of that initially, but it was Dan Farrow. Yeah, so Google AI got that wrong, which explores government handling and public disclosure of UAPs and media appearances regarding Pentagon UAP reports. Clappers stated that recording and examining unexplained aerial activities is practical responsibility for intelligence agencies and accustomed to navigating ambiguity. While acknowledging that some sightings defy quick explanation, Clappers express skepticism regarding extraterrestrial explanations or multi-decade cover-up conspiracy narratives, maintaining a focus on empirical analysis

and national security implications. So he's kind of like, you know, he's soaking. He's in there. He's doing something. He's doing something. I talk to people that make these documentaries like this Dan Faire guy. Yeah, you had him on.

Yeah, he was like, well, he was saying that like, when he got into this thing, he had somebody point him to all the right directions in the Pentagon, including to this guy, James Clapper. And he's like, yeah, he's like, yeah, I understand how some people have pushed back against him and don't trust him or whatever. I get it.

But like he told me that his wife was in the hospital that day. And he was willing to leave his wife in the hospital and come to this interview with me. So it's like I really feel for the guy. He would, you know, he's a decorated war hero. Oh boy. Yeah. It's just like people fall for the bad. And you can get really fucking amazing smart filmmakers and journalists to go fucking take the bait.

If they haven't been paying attention to this stuff long enough as people like Jesse Michaels. know all the moving pieces and know the history of this stuff and know how there's been, you know, this crazy, like, tug of war within, you know, public researchers like him and people who work in military. And even within the military, there's people that are fighting against the narrative. So. Jesse and Chris Ramsey are the best in the game and understand the history of anything that's ever been claimed. I've never seen anything like it with their scope of knowledge on it. Yeah.

But like, you know, you have, I guess outside of Jesse at this point, because that's pretty much all he covers. And maybe Chris, too, you have from a generalist standpoint, like one of the most extensive libraries of like UFO claims. They're like Pokemon. You got to catch them all, bro. You have caught them all. I caught Charzard. What do you make of it at this point? Do you think it's all of facade?

I don't fucking know. I don't even think about it, to me honest. I try not to even think about it because it's a waste of it. of time, I think. I think I'll let people like Jesse do that work and I'll listen to them after they've made their conclusions and I'll let them take the reins. For me, it's just like, it's too much. It's too, it's just too many moving parts you have everyone fighting about it online and it's just like, it's like truth mixed with SIOP mixed with people trying to make money on it and it's like trying to waste your time separating the wheat from the chaff is

is not what I want to do. I get I get, I get, bored of it very quick. Yeah. I get really bored of the UFO thing very quickly. Well, you've seen the most, basically the only one you haven't done is like Bob Lazar. Like, like, when it comes to getting to the wildest claims and shit like that, like you've been there, done that. And I feel you. I just to kind of dovetail.

Yeah, I'll have anyone on. To kind of. Didn't happen. Let's do a podcast. To kind of dovetail what you said, though, about what Dan was saying. well, you know, these guys are so nice to taking time out of their day, pointing me in the right direction. Yeah, why? Why?

Out of the goodness of their heart. They picked you, Dan Thaler. It's the same thing with the Annie Jacobson. Sure. Absolutely. It's a fair criticism. It's like, why did they choose you? But with something so wild, like extraterrestrials that could get to like the meaning of life if the truth were figured out in a certain way and landed on a certain part of whatever it may be.

It's like, you know, they're giving you all. that access like for me i haven't done since episodes 266 and 267 and then i already had it scheduled to record right after that 273 with with louelizando but 266 and 67 were james fox and james fox and james oh yeah you did a couple episodes

with him i haven't done any episodes with like UFO guys good for you since then i've done i've had chris ramsi in here to talk you know just go through stories and history oh you also had to do the shot the alien.

Well, that was Jason Sands. That's what I'm saying. That was episode 266 and 67. Like that was a real line in the sand for me, no pun intended. Because- You had a hard immune response to that one. Because I knew it wasn't real. Right.

And to his credit, I had Darcy Weir in again right after that because Darcy Weir was the guy who was on it from day one. Yeah. Knowing bar for bar, word for word with proof that what Jason Sands was saying was completely untrue. Not that, you know, you couldn't already be like, come on, bro. But like he had actual, no, no, no, like he literally lifted it from this, this, and that. And I knew the people that ram Jason Sands down James Fox's throat to put him in his documentary that then made him look really bad. Yeah. And some of those same people were the ones bringing other things in the past that

seemed like, hmm, maybe there's a there there. Yeah. And once that kind of happened, it was like, Okay. What are they doing? What's the op? Yeah. You know? So I talk with physicists about it at this point. That's what I do. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know if a physicist was going to have the answer to this stuff. I don't think this is the kind of stuff. Like my sort of like top down 90,000 foot view of the whole thing, if I could really boil it down of what I think it is, I think it's all consciousness related. Consciousness related. Yeah. I think it's like I had this guy. Peter Levenda on the show while ago. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's like an occult researcher. Who said something to me that I haven't been able to shake. And he said, oh, is that, it's pouring rain right now? Yeah, right on cue.

It's great. Wow. I love this ambiance. He says something that I haven't been able to forget. What he said was if he was in charge of trying to get to the bottom of the whole UFO thing, he said that he would study the consciousness of the people that are experiencing it. Like take apart the radio of the people that see this stuff and the people that are having these experiences. And I think that that might be the link to it.

If you really want to understand it, I think, and I think they probably are doing that. I think they're just taking certain people, whether it be like young kids, because there's been people that have said that like there's kids that are being used. using these programs, like if you want to talk about gait or that kind of stuff, like, stranger things type shit. Like there's precedent. There's precedent for shit like that. Oh, yeah.

That lady's great. Mm-hmm. Who talk about this stuff. And I think it's totally possible that they've been using people like this who maybe have like on the scale of all the human senses a like they're more tapped into this. Maybe if you want to call like a sixth sense than other people are. Right. Like in this game in the in life in in the realm of consciousness.

I think it's true. I think it's like an easy way to sum it up. Some people have window seats. Some people have aisle seats. So these people that have window seats, really good window seats. Did you come up with that? No, I stole that from Ezoch Bentov. Damn it.

That's good. I think the people that have the window seats, study them, figure out what it is, and then you can maybe get really close to what it is. But I think it's something that's like, Talk about physicists. I don't think it's something that you can like measure and weigh or like break down fundamentally with matter. I think it's beyond that. Like the like consciousness. Like I don't know like I don't think like you can start from a human being build up all the atoms and protons and neutrons and eventually achieve consciousness. I think the consciousness is already there and probably fundamental. And we're just like I think it's like looking trying to look for consciousness and the human brain is trying to look for fucking the TV show inside the television. So like whatever this thing is works, people are, some people are experiencing or whatever, they just are tuned into that channel. And if you can figure that out, maybe you can find the answer.

But I don't, I don't know if it's like a nuts and bolts physical thing. Yeah, I wonder how much of it is also like dimensions or could be, I should say, dimensions. Like, you know, we're just operating on this perfectly finely tuned radio that some people are just able to glitch just outside of it once in a while but not realize it. and that manifests in a way that's related to what happens up here rather than what is actually happening physically around you. Yeah. If that makes sense. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And I think the way you described that could be towards it. And I also agree. It's like when I say I talk to physicists about it and stuff, I'm asking based on like what evidence they is observable. Right? Like you get a guy like David Kipping in here. It looks at exoplanets. Is that the handsome guy? Yeah.

Okay. Yeah. The handsome guy with the accent. He's got everything going for him, bro. He got everything going for him. But like, you know, he's looking at far away exoplanets and looking for evidence of habitation or a habitable area for life to exist. And then based on what he finds on, say, one planet, what could that mean about the system around it or things that we can't see yet that we might be able to see? Like, I enjoyed that because they're at least following threads of things that are based on some level of empirical data.

Yeah. When it gets to, you know, the, well, I got a whistleblower that said, you know, they saw four orbs in fucking Montana in 1949. It's like some of that now, I think there's a there with some of it for sure. But. Yeah, you got to be open-minded about it too. Like my problem with this is with a lot of those physicists, like, I don't know about, I never met David Kipping, but some of the other guys, they're just like, no, no imagination

whatsoever. I agree. Yeah. Yeah, there's there's some that it's like you have to. You don't have to operate from the, well, the burden of proof is on you to prove it. The burden of proof shouldn't be on us to prove it given how large the actual universe is and how much larger it might actually be than what we think it is. We could be looking at point zero zero zero zero zero zero zero zero zero zero zero one percent of shit. And you're telling me there's not something out there is figure out how to bend time.

Come on. Yeah. Right. You don't know that. You're living in a human brain. It's the only concept you could understand. Right. Do you think there's a religious component to it, though? Like, do you believe in any of that?

Like, I think it's possible that people in like antiquity saw, saw, had like, had these experiences and said they were angels or demons or something like that. Sure. I don't know. The Virginia thing's wild. How that thing smelled like sulfur. The virginia. The virginia's one. That thing is the exact biblical description of a fucking demon.

That's scary. That's the one that freaks me the fuck out. And the Varzina case, shout out to James Fox, moment of contact. Like that fucking movie is the, that's the one case where you have dozens of people still alive. Doesn't living in one town that all experienced this shit. Yes. And a guy fucking died. I've said this forever.

There's a there there on that one for sure. You know, I don't know if it's fully what James might think it is. Maybe. Like, he's done amazing work on that case. and that like that's the one when Chris Ramsey was talking to me is like what's your highest confidence case you've ever heard I said Virginia yeah I think so too I said I said there is something really really the Roswell of Brazil yeah and also like Alessi was down there making the documentary with oh yeah forgot about that and you know he was giving me the live discussion of it while it was

happening down there and the debrief right when he got back and you know to this day like Alessi's like a huge god guy and everything. Yeah. And he wasn't necessarily then, but, you know, shortly after that, that was kind of happened in his life. And to this day, he's like, dude, crazy. Yeah. He was the one that captured some of that, like, live footage of the guy that was going

to shoot them from the house. He was like, oh, that was very, very real. It ended up being like James cut in to his, to Alessi's iPhone because he wasn't even supposed to be filming, but he was sitting in the car. And he was looking. he said to the driver he was like yeah i think something's going down i'm gonna get out and he just started taking the camera and he got it perfectly but you know that guy was really what if if he was an act there was a hell of an act yeah like it was very very uncomfortable very real yeah the

problem with is like all the science and stuff involved with this you know most people i think would say that like the tic-tac stuff and all that stuff's probably military shit and the problem with it is the way it works is like they put they silo them all in their own lanes you know like they stow pipe it to where everything's super you're in one narrow lane you don't get to communicate with anyone else like the physicists don't talk to the engineers don't talk to that's right all the other people so they can keep it secret yep and james when he was on this when i last talked to james he was telling me that he was at some like conference or some some like uh event where he was at the bar and he saw some like high level general he wouldn't tell me the guy's name but he said he walked up to him and he asked him

like how many people have the full picture of everything that can look down on everything and see everything and the guy said like less than 12 or something like that I'll bet it's zero I'll bet it's like zero yeah if I if I had to bet I can't base that on anything other than pure spec but like I'll bet it's zero they compartmentalize not even just that dude that's why they can never release crazy things right oh yeah I mean look at the moon I guarantee you there's no one person alive that could prove that the moon landing did or didn't happen. Like if it, hypothetically, if it was fake, most of people are fucking dead. And most of the people that in this scenario where I'm pretending it's, I'm saying that

it's actually fake, one person never had the full picture of all of that, right? Like the one person who was the security guard on the movie set had no idea whether they actually went or not. They just saw one little piece of it. Right. And if that person is still alive today, they're never going to be able to come out and explain everything. It's going to be, people are going to dismiss him.

And then people are just going to bicker and no one's going to ever get to the bottom of anything. This is where people run into that secrets argument. Like, well, not as many people could possibly keep that secret. What if the secret is a big thing and they only know one percent of it? Right. Like the bank teller at the bank doesn't know all the corruption that's going on with the CEO and the Treasury Department at the bank. And you keep your mouth shut because there's a group think fucking machine that also tells you you're incentivized to keep your mouth shut. I don't look at John Kyriaka.

Right. I want to keep my job. I want to keep my job. and I don't want to go to prison or not be seen again. Yes. You know, people are the, they're survivalists, you know? And like that's the nature of the biz, as they say. I think mushrooms are probably aliens.

You think mushrooms or aliens? I think mushrooms are probably aliens. How do you square that? Because people see, people take, there's all these mushrooms that people take and these different psychoactive drug people take where they all see aliens. I'm sure you've heard of it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, like, what the fuck is that?

It's altering your consciousness somehow. mushrooms like this weird fucking thing where it's not a plant it breathes it can survive in a vacuum and they communicate under the earth and like this crazy mycelium network it's like one of the weirdest things that exists on earth one of the weirdest life forms you know and there was that new one that uh jesse was just talking about the other day where that there was this article that came out of this mushroom in asia where people take it and they all see the same thing where there's no psychedelic effect no psychoactive effect at all but you just see little people fully rendered in 3D space

and it lasts for like fucking days and they never realized it until like 10 years ago or whatever when somebody ate one that was an hallucinogenic belletti mushroom it was undercooked no this one's called like an asiatic something just type in mushroom where you see little people lamona asiatica that sounds right

the mushroom causing people in Asia to see the exact same hallucination of tiny people is called Lamoa Asiatica People who undercooked Lamoa, Aesiatica experienced rare visions. About 90 to 96% of the effective individuals report seeing hundreds of tiny people. These figures look like colorful elves, clowns, or tiny soldiers. The tiny people interact with the real world using normal physics such as climbing chairs or walking on tables. This effect is known as Lilliputin hallucinations.

Cases are reported in southwest China. The Philippines and Papua New Guinea scientists are baffled because tests show no known psychedelic chemicals. inside the mushroom. Or yeah, or it's just some crazy fucking chemical that we haven't indexed yet. Yeah. That we haven't discovered yet. Not psilocybin,

but something else, right? That's something that alters our fucking consciousness and fucking taps us into something else. Maybe these fucking mushrooms are like some sort of ancient hard drive of consciousness that we're able to tap into accidentally by eating shit or under cooking shit and showing us something that we can't fucking comprehend. Or we're living outside the reality and we have to be able to tap into that by

cooking it to get into the real reality that exists. Right. Right. Maybe that's like the entry to the matrix or maybe that's like showing us the door to the simulation. That's right. God, that gets so fucking... That's the shit that's stressing something. The tip of the... I know one thing, I'm not eating one of those fucking mushrooms. Yeah, I think I'm good. I'll let Joey Deef be the test subject. Joey Deef's like, I'm, I'm already eating right now. Speaking of food, can you feed me some goddamn spaghetti? Oh, oh, you're about to eat good I'm in New York. I'm ready to be a glutton and eat some pasta and drink some goddamn wine. You're getting a little tour. You're getting the New York right up here. Then you're getting the Jersey Shore. And then we're sending you home for the Star's birthday.

Yeah. I'm going to get there just in time. No time to see nine east. What's the road street again? 9 East 71st Street. I already got pictures of you there. Yeah, we already went there. Yeah, but they had the shit blocking the wood was blocking the front door. Yeah, but you get the picture. It's, you know, it's, uh, great place. Not a great place. Not a lot of great things happen now. I would love to just take a tour of it, though.

Alessie and I did a man on the street there. I saw recently. I saw. Yeah, that wasn't my plan. He just wanted to go there. Yeah. And everyone knew. That was walking by, they all knew what it was.

A lot, well, half and half. Oh, really? Half knew. They were ball knowers and then half just walked by like it was nothing. And some people that we did the man on the street with who didn't know, they were like, whoa. Like when we told. Like, really? Oh, they were like, because they, they know the story.

They just didn't realize where they were walking. And they were like, holy shit. You also don't like, it's so, it's so like. We're talking about Epstein's mention, by the way. It's so discreet. Like, you're walking down that street and there's these just doorways and it's all one building. You can't really tell where one. You can't know, you don't, you can't tell where one house ends and another one starts, you know.

Yeah. Yeah. But that's the thing. I've said this so many times. We look down all these streets in New York. It's one of the wildest things about the city. You can stand on any given street in New York. And before you go to Google, if you don't know anything about it, I can almost guarantee you something fucking fucking unbelievably great

and something fucking unbelievably horrific happened on that street. Yeah. And it's like, ooh. It's a crazy fucking place. It's a crazy fucking place. Every time I come here, it fucking shatters my, that's right. Shatters my fucking reality. But when you were here, this was an empty place.

I remember you drawn, I still have the initial map of you draw our name studio. They're still under the table down here. Matan wouldn't look at him because he thought it was. It was like an Epstein trip. But August, 2023, you and me building this. This was an empty place. Danny Jones came in here. I still have it.

He drew up a map of what the studio would look like and where the cameras were. Then we added to that over time. But you and I built this table. Solid table, right? Right. It's fucking amazing table. Great work. And now, you know, Matan left his little smiley-facing floor.

That's a memory. It's a nice little memory right there. Dude, it's great to see you. It's been cool to grow alongside you over all these years. Danny Jones. has been my unofficial psychiatrist behind the scenes. Many people don't give him the creds for that, but he should certainly get the creds.

So you can subscribe to his channel and see amazing podcasts multiple times a week, three to four hours apiece with some of the best guests in the world. Highly recommend it is now 450, 430 episodes of it, whatever it is. Like, keep it building the fucking library. So keep it rolling, dude. Thanks for having me on. Everybody else, you know what it is. Give it a thought, get back to me.

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