Julian Dorey Podcast - 😯 [VIDEO] - Ancient Amazon Tribe Fights to PRESERVE Their Civilization | Elle Scott • #144

Episode Date: April 27, 2023

Elle Scott is a former AWS executive and Iridologist. Elle’s website: ​https://www.showmeyourset.com/  ***TIMESTAMPS*** 0:00 - Elle’s time in Ecuador 6:16 - Paul Rosolie; Why Amazon is key to life 10:02 - Replacing trees in the Amazon jungle 15:01 - The Ancient Amazon Shuar Tribe in Ecuador 20:49 - Young Shuar leaving the tribe & its civilization 26:20 - Eating with the Shuar 31:27 - The Tribe who shrinks human heads 38:53 - Preserving the Shuar and ecotourism in the Amazon 44:32 - Alien Civilization in the Amazon & Palo Santo Trees 51:39 - The Amazon’s Goldminers 55:28 - How Elle got into tech industry; Replacing her girlfriend 1:02:32 - Elle’s random one year hiatus as a flight attendant 1:03:59 - Elle’s time at AWS in Hawaii working with DOD 1:08:20 - The Culture in Tech Industry 1:12:26 - How messy was Gov - Tech world? 1:16:17 - Why Elle doesn’t own Amazon Alexa 1:23:28 - Jeff Bezos & Power 1:33:12 - Companies can simulate everything ahead of time 1:38:45 - What is Iridology? 1:45:22 - The Skin is the 3rd kidney 1:48:20 - The Acid Scale & Mucus in the body 1:56:23 - Expectant Mothers’ lymphatic systems effect on children 2:02:54 - How Relationships with food determine result 2:07:21 - How Elle fixed a powerlifter; Amino Acids 2:13:05 - Excretion & your health; Animal hormones in food 2:20:41 - The food pyramid is a disaster 2:29:04 - Elle’s view on her work ~ Get $150 Off The Eight Sleep Pod Pro Mattress / Mattress Cover (USING CODE: “JULIANDOREY”): https://eight-sleep.ioym.net/trendifier Julian's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/julianddorey ~ Music via Artlist.io Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

What's up, guys? If you're on Spotify right now, please follow the show so that you don't miss any future episodes and leave a five-star review. Thank you. kind of pushed, I think, these two over the edge and said, absolutely not, we are not having any contact. And the other problem is the youth that are being born into the Shuar community and tribe are getting glimpses of the bigger cities and leaving. Oh, welcome to New Jersey. Hey, thanks. It's a little different than Florida up here this time of year. So I hope you don't mind like getting one day reprieve from the beautiful 85 degree weather down there. That's perfectly okay. The cold's good for you.

It is. A little bit. It's more the alkaline side of chemistry. Although someone told me on the plane that it was snowing no no it's like it's definitely not that's up in like new york right now i would have known if it was snowing yeah that would be a fun landing though like if it were snowing on the landing you ever do that before oh yeah uh yeah oh you were a flight attendant you definitely did that in alaska i could never in january oh oh does the plane go like this? Yeah, all the time.

There's actually, I believe it's Juneau, where they have to take it at an angle when they land between these two peaks and these mountains. It's a whole trip. Oh, no. It's amazing. No. No, that sounds like death. Yeah. I'm the kind of guy, like, when the plane's coming down on a clear day and the wings are doing that

I'm like, yo, this is it over Make your last text No, yeah, but weren't you just in in Ecuador too? So you went to like the equator you were you were in the best weather? I'll tell you what the Sun is definitely hotter there. Yeah, it's strong They don't there's no such thing as a season there, is there? Because it's literally on the equator. So technically it's winter. That's what they say. That's what they say.

And it was chilly in the mornings, sometimes at night, but I think anything under 60 is chilly. Yeah. And what were you doing down there? So I went with the Young Living Foundation. They're the nonprofit side of Young Living Essential Oils. And they work with a ton of different organizations around the world, whether it's human trafficking, rescuing people from that, orphanages in Uganda, building homes in Nepal, obviously after their huge earthquake in 2016. So I've been working with them for quite a long time also sponsor a young man through school in ecuador i've been doing that for about seven

years yeah so that's awesome fantastic and this is one of their first ever missions that they're doing for conservation basically giving back to the earth and we were there planting uh palo santo which is a very very sacred plant to to the Ecuadorians and to the world. It creates an oil. It's one of their, it's what they call holy wood or sacred wood. That's a tree? It's a type of tree? Yeah.

And it takes about 50 years for the plant to actually grow to maturity to when they harvest it to make it an oil, essential oil. But the Ecuadorians will burn it as an insect repellent and so they'll you'll see it all over the place just burning everywhere it's also a spiritual practice for them so we were there re-harvesting this plant because it is on the brink of uh extinction to be endangered uh and that's because of all the logging it's just a ton there's a lot of unethical harvesting practices obviously within the rainforest and then so we planted about 730 baby little baby ceiling trees on these hills how long does it take to plant a tree how many people are there so in our group there was 14 people that That's it? That was it. You did 733?

Yeah. So we had maybe a few people that helped us out too. But it was funny because, again, we were kind of walking into stuff we didn't know about. This was kind of a guinea pig mission to set the tone. And one of the gals said, yeah, there's this tool that you basically just plunge in the ground. It digs a hole for you and you just pop the tree in. I'm like, awesome. no idea what that's called we get there and it's you know it's one of the you shove it in the ground and it takes about 10 minutes to dig a hole but once you get the hang of it it's all right so it's not like you're sitting there digging a grave every now i mean

the shovel believe it or not the the holes were pretty deep we're kind of surprised but it went by pretty quickly we had a great group of people and just ambitious wanted to get this done um didn't reach a thousand like we hope but how many days was that over so we spent two days at that you planted 730 trees in two days and that's not even two full days so we had we had a pretty a pretty good group and we were just you know we wanted to get it done that we wanted to get it done now how long does it take those trees to grow though because I mean a lot of people have at least some idea in the Amazon these fucking things are huge

you could leave a Palo Santo tree growing for as long as you want and there are ones that have been there for 50-60 years untouched in this specific area this is a privately owned uh forest if you will and this gentleman really just he's a hermit he lives there by himself he goes down like once every seven days and this is his land native oh yeah enrique is a fantastic dude and this is his

land and so he uh joined up with young living basically said, if you want to help plant more Palo Santo, you are welcome to come harvest it. Obviously, Young Living has a seed to seal. So they do everything up and up. And so they wait for the Palo Santo trees to age about 50 years before they go harvest those trees to then make them into oil oh wow so you're planning something that's not going to be used for half a century basically which is is pretty wild it's crazy you're doing it you're going man i won't even live to even probably see this this tree at its maturity i was telling you really quickly in the car when this came up for a minute about my friend paul rosalie who i had in for episode 124 and he it's actually my most popular episode i ever did but he has lived in the amazon for the last 17 and a half or almost

18 years at this point as a conservationist spending the majority of his time in peru and in ecuador on the outskirts of manu national park this guy guy, started going into the jungle and like leaving them piles of bananas. Because they're hunter-gatherers. They don't have metal. They missed out on the wheel. They've never held a spoon. These are people that are out there. So he'd leave them a machete and some bananas and they'd come take it.

And then after like a year, he would start being there when they came to take it. And then after some time... It won't take long to tell you Neutral's ingredients. Vodka. S soda, natural flavors. So, what should we talk about? No sugar added? Neutral. Refreshingly simple.

He was actually able to interact with them. He could only speak a few words of their language. What do they speak? They're called the Mashkupiro tribe. So they speak some sort of dialect of the Yine language. But this guy who was interacting with them, one day they found him. They call it porcupine. Arrows sticking up out of his body. Like like several arrows we don't know why they killed him

and you know the forget the fact that it's like the wild wild west down there right and there's so many various countries let's say funding destruction and more not just cutting down trees other things as well yes but the amazon itself like i'm obsessed with it at this point and it's basically like it's the key to life i mean this thing it breathes it's responsible for 20 of the world's oxygen it is this ecosystem where everything from the from the plants all the way up to the carnivores and everything in between the insects they all eat each other they all end up eating each other and it sounds like savage in a way but there's so much there that it's wild to me that people like you or on on an everyday level people like paul have to go down there and try to help out many of the people who live there who are trying to stop all these others

from coming in and destroying this this beautiful arguably the most beautiful spot on planet earth as far as what it offers all of us yeah it i will say that my experience in the rainforest shocked me. I mean, I really didn't expect myself to feel that good there. The air is different, as you said. I would say the water is different, but you're not supposed to drink any of the water, which I was like, eh, choose your own adventure. Let's see how that goes. You're bathing with just just a bucket of water you didn't have a shower no shower we camp for two days i mean look this when i when i do these humanitarian trips i don't i don't go light i'm just like let's get the full experience so i loved it this is where i'm a little different i'm like yeah give me a hyatt give me a shower you know i'm right there with you but for some reason you know like i i actually dig what Young Living does because they give you that full experience. When I went to Nepal to rebuild homes with them, this was one big army tent and bunk beds, but no beds. They just had a thing of wood, plywood, and you hopefully had your sleeping bag and there you go.

There's some showers, but they were the instant hots. So you either scalded yourself to death or you froze because you couldn't get the temperature just right. I mean, they do it right where you get the full experience. So I dug it. But I will say there was something so amazing about the rainforest and that it really shows you that Mother Nature is in control. You are so small yes and learning about how people get to where they are in some of these communities here that the mining that's going on there or the old mines that are no longer in use you're talking about the gold miners and i say that in quotes because i i ask all the questions you know i want to know what those

buildings are why are there people being trucked in from these certain cars and then dropped off with a bag and don't know where they went off into the forest and these are just people who are working at the mines but to learn that there was uh you know mercury poisoning into the water so there's a lot of reasons why you don't drink the water and they drink fruit juice and they boil everything so all your juice is warm it's just a trip it's just a total trip and absolutely loved every second it it definitely stretched me out of my comfort zone and i thought i could have dealt with anything after nepal so this was how long ago were you in nepal again uh 2017. okay so it was after the 2016 earthquake that pretty much so oh wow you were there right after yeah yeah it was

amazing this is one of their efforts that was really just born out of when the earthquake happened gary young was the the founder of young living who's now uh passed when he heard about it he flew he was in japan at the time working on finding, I think, another wolfberry farm, which is a fantastic berry for longevity that the Chinese drink. But he heard about it and he said, don't take me home, divert my flight, we're going to go to Nepal and I want to find out where I can help. And so he chose this village, Yarsa, and they were completely devastated. And he said, nope, I'm going to help. And he bought a massive clay brick maker, plopped it down on this hill, and it's at 8,000 feet, you know, whatever. And it's pretty wild.

And he rebuilt these homes and rebuilt and built schools and now a women's center. And so what the foundation has done for those areas has been pretty amazing and so it's going to be fun to see where we take this conservation effort because it's different but it's so important it's vital yeah yeah and like the the thing that a lot of people i know is a misconception i would have never understood but something paul explained to me it's a little different with what you were doing because what was the name of that tree again palo santo palo santo so that's one of the trees that has specific healing substances we can use from it right yes

that's what you're saying okay so i'm gonna get too lost in the weeds and be way above my pay grade if I start going tree by tree. But with like the general deforestation that is for the logging business where they're not trying to like necessarily extract medicine, but they're trying to just get wood to use for homes or whatever the fuck they use it for. A huge misconception is that, oh, you could just replant trees. That is not, as Paul has explained it to me, at all what you can do. So that's not what you guys were doing down there because these trees are thousands of years old. The strength of their wood that is like a huge architecture guy, which is great that he's like so into this into this cause. And he's like, you can't build a home with that new wood on those new trees, because he's like, I'll have to redo the foundation inside of a decade because it'll fall apart. Yeah. So what we really have to do, and it certainly counts for all the trees that

are for medicinal purposes and things like that, of course, what we really have to do is figure out how to use other which tree how the maturity and the symbiosis of how the rainforest works together i mean just to to walk into it and see that everything is completely connected you really get to see that in the rainforest and there's trees that i'm surprised they're like melons almost there's massive trees and you smack them they almost bounce back because they're just filled with water and and i i really really emphasize the need for education in looking to the natives they know almost everything about these trees everything about each plant but we don't go to them to ask the questions because first of all they're probably not going to be that thrilled about you coming in and cutting down their shit anyways right so you know there was and that was one of the great experiences that we had uh when we so we went from that forest for

you know reforesting palo santo and then drove about five hours to el kim and that's further even further down into the amazon i'll put that map in the corner of the screen so people can see what you're talking about it was pretty it was pretty deep in there and uh El Keem has a one of the I say one of the tribes uh of the Shuar and they're like the OG Ecuadorians right and there's there's four tribes within the shuar if you will communities in that tribe that only talk to each other so only two they never talk to the outside world these are people who if you even two of the four only talk to each other four okay only talk they won't talk to anybody on the outside they you barely even ever see them

they're if you get into their territory you're dead you know unless you look exactly like you all right they'll shoot you with six foot bamboo right in the head and you'll be done before you even know what happened right with a poison tip just for good measure there's it's a trip and they have their own language right so if you speak spanish they think you're you know it's kind of beneath them right because again this is og ecuadorian right so uh we worked with one of these communities and there's a gentleman who has spent his entire life and dedicated to knowing every single plant and tree within their boundary to if it can kill you if it's for building if it's medicinal i mean that's just how he's spent his life he's got an entire encyclopedia in his head this wasn't because

you guys went to plant the trees on the property of a hermit you said he wasn't a member of this tribe he was his own separate thing this is a totally separate thing okay so you spent a couple days doing that and then you how much other time how long were you there for besides that we were so we were in ecu Ecuador a total of eight days. Okay, so you spent roughly the other six with these tribes. And then we spent a couple more with the tribe. And then a lot of it was just traveling. I was kind of surprised at how much time we spent traveling.

How'd you get hooked up with the tribe? I'm going to give all that credit to the leader. So Michelle, she is basically the one that's running this and she works for the foundation she was the one to find all these individuals i don't even know how she did it um she worked some magic because after we're hearing about this tribe there's there's no way there's no way i could just hop online and be like yeah i'm gonna go to right i want to hang out with this tribe now they look at you like i'm sorry what is that googleable yeah is that googleable i didn't i didn't know i didn't even know how to spell schwar when i first heard about it i was like

trying nothing was coming up so she did an amazing job of hooking up with uh individuals who connected her to this tribe and they're a beautiful culture very excited we were there just completely welcoming but like i said those were two of the you know two of the tribes yeah they're the two that'll talk to you the two that want their story known uh they actually are building trails within their land in the rainforest to encourage ecotourism they want people to come to understand how important the rainforest is and that entire ecosystem and the symbiosis because if not we're going to continue thinking that this is just a vegetation we can take so they're really connected i want to be careful how i say that because that can be in a stronger way than i really want to put it but they're connected because that can be in a stronger way than i really want

to put it but they're connected with the outside world in the sense that they they have somewhat of a like you said they want people to come in but they also are then aware of what we have and the resources we do and they they're cool having those two environments coexist yes so the exact opposite of the other two yeah right and there's still there's still certain things like you know they want the children only to marry within the tribes uh and such i mean there's still those foundational uh things about the tribes that don't change just based on our our outside influence they they really only work with foundations that are just as respectful to the earth that you know that they are so they're they're very careful about who they allow on

their land did you take pictures with any of them yeah do you have some that i can put in the not right now but i can put it in the corner so people can see yeah there's i'll put that there's a couple of things there's uh pictures i got a video we because again the rainforest she's a mad beast and she's got creatures that we don't even know about but they've got these bugs you know kind of like we have in the states of no seams but anyways one of the gals just got covered in these little bugs and you know she had a bad reaction to them so she's swelling up it was very painful for her and i have a video of one of the schwar that gentleman that knows about all the plants and hopefully he writes

his book here soon i want to keep bugging him oh he wants to write a book too true western man absolutely yeah i know well i think it's more so us trying to beg him because he's like i'll do it i'll do it if you really think it's valuable like absolutely it's getting hooked up with double day come on like come on get this out there right hopefully that doesn't create more people coming in and cutting down your trees but you know who's to say anyways so he comes in with this this just plastic bottle though definitely looks used he's got a bunch of green plants in it it looks like it's just filled up with water and he comes in and he just starts spinning spraying this tincture all over her legs and come to find out it's you know it's like a tincture it's sugar cane alcohol whatnot distilling these plants and he just says i just know of the plants in the area that these bugs don't like and

will heal up these bites for you and just the love and the the desire to help from these people was was very heartwarming just awesome they want people to know their story and for this tribe it's it's tough because obviously with social media internet you get these these young kids who get a glimpse of the big cities i mean like loha which is tiny for you know compared to like a u.s city but keto um they get an idea of that and say we don't want to live like this anymore we're gonna go to the big city what i mean how i want to choose my words carefully here but how oh as you know i'll get shit if i say this the wrong way how normal is it maybe let me use a parallel compared to like the amish here like they don't use electricity right these guys i take it don't

really use electricity it's a similar type lack of normality in that way would you describe it i would say it's probably it's less of lack of normality. I was surprised to see they have TVs in their house. Oh, they do have that. So we're talking like, yeah, I honestly thought we were going to show up. Because remember, the first two days, we're camping in the middle of just the rainforest. No electricity, no shower, one toilet for 25 people or whatever. And there's chickens and stuff running all over

the place so i'm and goats and whatnot so i'm thinking we're going to a deeper into the rainforest with a tribe there has to be less than what we just went through so i'm really preparing like do i wear clothes i've already roughed it enough like mind you i'm still that girl with my makeup on every morning my nails going like i'm gonna do this thing and so we get there they've got electricity they have you know buildings and so forth and so i was a bit surprised but they run on a generator so it's not like they're centralized anything they had had toilets, too. Like real toilets? Like real toilets. Like porcelain?

Yeah. Or like hole in the ground. No, like, no, yeah. Oh, no, the hole in the ground, that's Nepal. That was definitely a trip. Right. Gotta get your squat game on really strong. Yeah, no thanks.

No, yeah, it was different. So they had real toilets. Real toilets. Didn't see a shower. I know they have them. But they shower down in the river. or they bathe down in the river. How close are they to the city you were talking about? Like a tiny little city, like an hour and a half.

That's like a small city. But, you know, an hour and a half in the rainforest is mainly middle of nowhere stuff. Yeah. Yeah. And getting there, too. Like, it's not. Oh, man. You don't have, like, there's not a Route 55.

No. There's a lot of windy roads that are unsure. You got some random pigs that are running through them. I tell you, these drivers are equipped and talented the ones that took you out there oh yeah oh yeah i mean it's it's pretty it's pretty amazing what you gotta do do you think that well actually i should ask this as well how big is that one community you were talking about like like the one that the guy who was helping with the with the bug wounds of the shah shah shah so how big was this one particular of the four tribes and was that the only location they're at or is there a bunch of locations and you were just at one so uh there's from what i understand there's only four so each have one location that's the one community and they're

all families in that tribe so not to say they married so they don't marry i had to ask this i had to clarify like if we're only marrying in the tribe are we marrying our family to keep the because they want to keep the bloodline pure no you have to marry you have yeah that's a little royal family thing can i say that two chins coming out. Yeah, yeah. It's the mother cross-eyed. Getting way off here. But no, they just have to marry within the Shuar tribe, not their own. They can't marry, obviously, in their own family. So each one of those locations is a family. They're related in some way.

But approximately how big is that? A hundred people. It's kind of what I had asked, the size. A hundred people within that one community that we stayed in and each you could have like third cousins there yeah i was asking questions i was really curious because like i mean but then it's like if you're going to school with him you would know don't ever take me on one of these trips i'm just warning you don't ever take me on no i tell you what so'm just warning you. Don't ever take I was one of the initial trips when they first started posting up there

and helping these people rebuild their homes. He went a couple years later. And Yarsa is mainly a Buddhist and Christian community. So there's a mix. There's three levels. There's upper, middle, and lower Yarsa. Each has their own classes and differences. And he comes right in and breaks out his beef jerky

and starts to give it out it's also something i would do so sometimes sometimes you will go into these communities and not know that maybe you shouldn't do certain things and i don't't, I don't judge them. This is how you learn. You kind of learn by unfortunately offending people or finding out, you know, like for me, I don't eat a ton. So with the shuar, the way they give to people is through food and it's a lot of food. And you're like, this is not a grape diet right here. Well, that's okay. Cause I tell people this is something they'll learn about me if they don't already is this is why I can't commit my lifestyle to a fruititarian lifestyle. It's just not feasible.

I think for most people. But for me, my ultimate desire is to go into these communities and be able to commune and blend. Now, if they rolled up with an armadillo like filleted in front of me i'm probably not going to dive right into that but i'm not going to say no to the chicken that they raised very carefully on their land and they knew and chopped its head off right in front of you no thank god that again well i would draw my line right like if there's a whole ceremony yeah i'd probably just bow out for a second and wait till it's cooked. But this is why I say it can't ever be 100% on that because this was their love language. And so that was giving of their whole, like they spent time to

raise the chicken. They communicated with this chicken. Hey, we are literally raising you to feed us. So when they bring this food, you're eating. And what I found out is if you don't finish it, that tells them you don't like it. How big are we talking? Are they giving you like a full? Well, no, but I don't eat a ton. I know. You're not like... And we're working. But again, I like to have my energy. Because remember, the body does one of two things with energy. It eitherests or detoxes and for me i'm like i want to just

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please please and then they kicked you out and then she kind of looked at me one of the the leaders of the shuar and she's uh you know she's the the female leader they're they're very female forward in their uh leadership so more so so they call the women like the tigers and the men are the snakes. That's how they classify their gender. I don't like that. That's a little sexism right there. I mean, there was, but they all get along very well.

I still have yet to fully understand that. They probably don't know what sexism is. Good for them. I mean, they got a lot of kids, so I know the snakes are around somewhere um so i love how this is going this is great yeah so like i just i did my best to communicate as best as possible like look it's all very delicious but i can't eat all of this i don't even know how you guys consume this but fantastic but we did travel with some individuals who were strictly like no meat at all oh oh right and again i don't judge anybody in their choices certainly not but i think how do you

how do you really integrate into these areas and and and communicate when you have to ask them for something completely vegan chicken got a beyond burger in the back there i i i i and they were all very surprised that i was the person that said don't ban me from anything bring it all to me put it in front of me i will i will eat it again unless we're taking some weird animal i could think of a few examples i'm sure they're i've you know i've i in my mind thought i'm waiting for this weird bear antelope not antelope ant eater thing they have there it's like this it's just a weird looking bear thing like there's paul rosalie told a story about raising one of those for a year he'd probably have a heart attack listening to that oh i know like if you put that in front of me to eat no i'm

probably be like thank you so much but i'm allergic we were we were in we were in a restaurant my my my buddy's place after this was actually the first time i was here so it's me paul and ryan tate that guy from bet paul is telling you about and you can't trust paul with with normal americans because you never know what he's gonna whip out and show him and so this this little waitress she's in like high school is like taking our order and he goes he elbows me goes watch this and he takes out his phone i don't see what he's showing her maybe and he goes what do you think's gonna happen next and you see her look at it and then her eyes just go oh my god is she gonna eat that he's like yep and and then obviously like whoever it is starts eating i'm like let me see this shit and the girl is like traumatized right there he turns around shows me a video it is the

cutest little six-year-old girl you've ever seen in your life from one of the tribes in the middle of bumblefuck in the Amazon. Yep. And she is eating a charred head of a monkey, like full-blown. And Paul's like, they'll feed you that when you go there. Yep. And I'm like, can you say no to that? He's like, I mean, it's a total offense to them if you say – he was saying the same thing you are. Yeah.

And I'm like, so you've got to eat a monkey. He's like, pretty much. Yeah. I'm like, so you've got to eat a monkey. He's like, pretty much. I'm like, oh my God. So the other, yeah, to your point about the head as well. Interestingly enough, the Shuar are the tribe known for shrinking heads. For what? The little shrunken heads. The what?

Shrunken heads. You ever see? You've never seen the whole shrunken heads? Like it's a whole thing. I don't even know what you're talking about. I don't know how they do it i'm not sure i want to know how they do it like shrinking their own heads the human heads like human heads ends up like this big no yeah you gotta look it up all right we're gonna pull this up you gotta pull it up wait a minute you're saying sure do shrunken heads shwar shrunken heads. Schwar, shrunken heads. I mean, you could, yeah.

Or just shrunken heads. How do you spell schwar? S-H-U-A-R. Yeah, okay. Shrunken head? Yeah. We're going to start the... What the fuck? Can you see a picture of it?

Yeah, I don't know if I can put the... I may not put this in the corner of the screen. I don't want to get demonetized. What? Those are human heads. So while they're alive they shrink them i don't know the process i'm not sure i want to know the process so all these people you were talking to had like many heads and shit no these are things they do to people now again i'm

not sure if this is a you were really bad bad person again i i haven't dug into this level of voodoo in my life i stay on the spiritual side of things but this is a whole thing oh so it's after they kill them they shrink i believe so i'm gonna hope so that's what i want to believe unless this is again you are a bad bad person and they somehow can shrink your head while you're alive don't tell the cartels about this okay it's a whole thing and and they're decorations decorations yeah like a fucking lamp yeah you see some people hang them from their car rearview mirror real heads yeah the schwar hanging real heads i don't the schwar and the schwar didn't hang them around i think the schwar who do it they're known for so wait so there's like a there's like a 1-800

business where like if you're a tribe and you mark a bunch of people you take it to the shuar tribe drop off your dry cleaning your fucking human heads and get back a lampshade jesus christ yeah you really didn't like your ex you just there you go but not this particular community so i think it's the other community. Remember the two that I said don't talk to the outside world? Yeah. I think, yeah. Oh, God.

I'm going to probably be the people who tried to cross into their land. But I'm, again, I mean, how many days have I been back in the States now? It's on my list to research. I'm really curious. Because they also had, which saddened me, a sloth head. Sloths are such a nice creature. They're so cute. Yeah.

Did you know it takes them like 30 days to digest a single piece of lettuce? I mean, they're a sloth. That makes sense to me. Can you imagine? It's a long time. Sloths. You ever see that video of the guy who saved a little sloth sloth from the road and then hands it to the mom and the mom like reaches back like i'll put that in the corner screen

takes a year to like reach i can say thank you i'm just like oh how could you ever kill that right so i was a little appalled yeah by the knowledge i'm out on the sloth thing on the sloth thing but yeah i mean this is a whole different world. So I realized, again, I'm not only dealing with nature, mother nature, I'm dealing with a whole tribe of badasses. So the Shuar, though, has the four tribes. You said the one you were with was around 100 people. So let's just keep the math honest. Let's say the other ones are 100 to 200 people, whatever it is.

So these are just the most ancient tribe of Ecuadorador there's a very small community of it left right in those four two of them don't talk to the outside world but they do talk to the other two obviously yes so it's not they're not a pure uncontacted tribe like we know who they are we know what they look like just don't fucking go near just don't go near them right um and again they're marrying only within the tribe, but they're the I think one of the driving factors, what I found out came in and basically to the individuals who, the tribes that said, yeah, come on in, just like the ones we're dealing with. Yeah, come on in, sleep on our land, teach us all your things.

Well, it turned them Catholic and basically told them, now you gotta be Catholic. So they got this Catholic church and I'm sure I'm gonna get fried for this as well, but they got this church that's unused there's no way it's being used there's just dust everywhere but that was a lot of the influence of the outsiders coming in and basically telling them well you got to do this now and so some of the things that has happened to a couple of the tribes in the past past yes they passed it down

from white man you know influence really kind of pushed i think these two over the edge and said absolutely not we are not having any contact and the other problem is you the the youth that are being you know born into the the community and tribe are getting glimpses of the bigger cities and leaving. They're not marrying within the tribe. They're not acknowledging they don't want to live like this anymore. Even though it's not horrible, they want to live in the big city. It's like someone from the Bible Belt going to L.A.

and they just never come back. They get lost in drugs. They marry outside of the tribe. And so they are slowly but surely dwindling in their numbers and so they're concerned yeah well they probably in all honesty like it probably they it will die off but yeah you know ecuador is on the farthest outskirt of the rainforest the deeper you go it's a big rainforest people it's a big it's basically like they're la and guess what there is like a detroit's a big rainforest, people. It's a big rainforest. It's basically like they're LA, and guess what? There is like a, Detroit's a bad example, but there is like a, sorry.

I'm talking about shrugging heads and maybe. Whatever. You know, there's like a Kansas City in there, too. You know, you got to go real deep, and no one's ever seen the people in Kansas City. Like, those are the true, we don't, like the Brazilian government, for example, which I believe has the most real estate worth within their borders of the rainforest like they have estimates of the number of people that could be in these tribes they have no idea they have no and people that go there don't come back right

they kill them they i don't know what the fuck they do but they to your point yeah they pass it down for centuries and centuries, things that have happened. And listen, I don't blame them either. If people from another place came in there and did some of the things that conquistadors tried to do to some of these people, you'd pass that down too. And they don't operate under a law system like we do. They got their own legal system. And I want to have respect for that if you know what i mean but it's a wild thing that like even you could go 90 minutes off the

beaten path just that in ecuador and you're in this whole new world and there's like yeah there's two people there's two tribes over there don't fucking go near right that's crazy yeah and in and like i said i this is just my initial introduction into, one, this tribe, two, Ecuador. You know, I've gone to Argentina and different places, and there's nothing quite like what I experienced in the depths of the rainforest. And I'm not even scratching the surface yet. But I got to ask what I could, and I knew that I was building that trust because I fully plan on going back. And I want to spend more time with the Shuar because I am very, very curious about some of the things. One, I love their conviction for their land and what they do.

You know, though I may not be a meat eater, I completely agree with whatever is working for their ecosystem. They're, you know, raising their animals. They're butchering their own animals. They're keeping it pretty, you know, sacred. And within that, there's no chemicals whatsoever used on that land at all i love what they're doing uh and i think that we could learn a lot from them but also i i just i really want to know some of the underbelly because that's just me

i want to know like how the hell are you going to keep this tribe going and and what are you going to expect when you are opening ecotourism to your land what are you asking for pandora's this is really what you want yeah how can we tell your story without maybe inviting everybody in so i i'm i i've i've got those questions that's hard that's really i mean that's that's one of those things especially today with the interconnectivity and how easy it is to get information out once you get a little bit of it. Yeah. I mean, look at you right now.

You were there a week ago. You're on a podcast right now being viewed in like 75 countries. It's a trip. And imagine if you went on like a really big podcast, everyone would know about this. So it's hard. Like I respect traditions a lot. Now, I'm not going to be the one to be like, yo, just join the real world. Like, you know, I respect traditions a lot. Now, I'm not going to be the one to be like, yo, just join the real world. Like, you know, I don't do that.

But to your point, it's hard for the young kids to not, if they have access to the shiny object, to not want to go after that. Like, how do you be like, no, you're going to stay here and wear a couple rags, you know what I mean? And like, hunt. It's not, you you know and no disrespect to that it's just there's other things in the world right and they're recognizing that they see that and i'm i'm really curious to understand what that conversation is like because when i met the young young kids they seem to love their culture i mean they came out did a whole dance for us and ceremony and everything. And they love outsiders.

They want them to come in and dance with them and have a great time. But I would love to understand, what is that conversation you're having with these youngsters when they do get a hold of this phone? And they have Wi-Fi. I was also very shocked. They have what? Oh, Wi-Fi. We call it Wi-Fi. We call it Wi-Fi.

We call it Wi-Fi and some of the— Is that a Florida thing? No, it's—I learned it in Argentina, believe it or not. We got the Wi-Fis, and they're like, yeah, we got Wi-Fis. We call it Weefie. Is that a Florida thing? No. I learned it in Argentina, believe it or not. We got the Weefies, and they're like, yeah, we got Weefies. Okay, cool. So I remember saying that to the Shuar, and they all got excited. You got the Weefies. So you know these kids have access to the social medias and all the things.

I mean, they have a Facebook page, for God's sakes. I was shocked. The Shuar have a Facebook page, for God's sakes. I was shocked. The Shuar have a Facebook page. They do. I think there's about 50 people following it. We got to get them on Twitter. We got to get them on Twitter. I need to see them tweeting out their thoughts.

Like, just killed a few chickens cooking dinner. I was shocked. I go, what do you mean they have a Facebook page? They're like, yeah, you got to like it so we get more likes. Where are we? Why are we doing this? Had you ever really studied the Amazon before taking this trip? And frankly, I'm disappointed in myself, I think slightly, because for me, herbs are so important in my line of work.

Obviously, with cellular detox and whatnot, the herbs are vital. Now, you're not getting all these herbs from the rainforest there's certain ones that we do but that's a whole different world out there that i didn't even know about i mean he handed me this bromeliad and he goes what it's a bromeliad you know they're pretty looking like i think they're in the cactus family somewhere but they're really vibrant and red you see them about in the grocery stores but in the rainforest obviously we're talking massive it's a kind of plant right i guess yeah okay so he picks off a piece and goes chew on this it'll help your kidneys so i'm like

yeah i'm over here chewing on it yeah it tastes like a banana pepper it was a trip and but so there there are those things and how important those are, but how much is out there that I didn't realize. And I'm fascinated now. And I did not think I would be that. Like, I've never been the tree hugger. I've never been the one that was like, let's go out there and make sure that we're not, you know, polluting the rainforest. Never been that person. But after meeting the people, I think that's where you really get me is when you see how much the people are affected by these practices. That's where you'll get me. And now I'm like, oh, man, let's go plant some more. Let's go do some more. Let's go figure out how we can, you know, cacao, coffee. Two of my loves in my life. Cacao, coffee?

Cacao and coffee or chocolate and coffee. Oh, wow. That took a minute to register in my head two of the most acidic things you could put in your body right i admit it i got my stuff but it's so different there than it is commercialized here obviously but how important those two crops are to these communities and i i've owned a coffee roasting company before i'm a fully trained roaster barista all the things back in the day coffee is a love but to see how vital like the lifeblood of coffee and chocolate

is to this community uh not the shuar but the other communities within Ecuador it's like oh man I I think I might be spending a lot more time here just to understand how we keep these crops, these plants, this whole ecosystem going because cacao feeds all these other plants. It's not just for us to eat. Yeah, and that's the other thing about the Amazon that just blows my mind, the circle of life it is. You know, everything eats itself. And they, like Paul puts it in perfect perspective when he would talk about how when something dies in the Amazon, it's disintegrated in a day. Yes. You know, because the plants, the animals, like there's no, there's really no technical top of the food chain in the Amazon.

It is all a giant circle and so it's like it's it's really i mean if i want to put on a tinfoil hat like you know for a second that is where like if the aliens are somewhere they're in the middle of the fucking amazon and like this is like it's it's this like i don't know man the whole eldorado thing all that i really think some of that has some sort of truth to it you know call me crazy fine but it's just such a extremely different place from the rest of the world i i can't wait to go there i'm jealous you got to go you gotta go you gotta go and i i'm definitely for me like i said i i really didn't expect ecuador to steal a little bit of my heart and it did so i'm very very excited to go back. To your point about the tinfoil hat, think about it, though.

How, I mean, ayahuasca and all those ceremonies are happening within the rainforest. If I'm an alien, that's where I'm going. Because you've got all these fucking people who's just opened up their minds to different worlds.

And you want control? That's the place you go. Yeah. Yeah. I never thought of it quite that way, but that's that's i mean that's where the veil is opening right there that's pretty legit i don't know i i'm thinking even more along the lines of the why are the uncontacted tribes in the middle we don't see them we don't know who they are where they are maybe there's a few ufos there maybe they're taking uh credit for the shrunken heads but it's actually the aliens that could be what if that was it aliens are abducted

motherfuckers shrinking their heads and dropping in the amazon and having tribes run around oh my god look what we did yeah whoa it's it's a trip yeah so when are you going back you know yet don't know yet okay but i got the contacts and i'm i'm gonna be reaching out to them and seeing when i would like to go during summer because their summer or like summer their summer okay like i want to know what really hot and humid is to them because i'll tell you this i think i live in one of the most gorgeous states in this country and well it's a separate country. It's a separate country. I take a passport to Florida for a reason.

This is true. You got America and then everything else. I'm just kidding. So, you know, it's humid and people say it's hot and humid there. But I got back from Ecuador and I was just pounding the juice and I couldn't believe it. I was like man i am looking at my skin i'm going i am dry here pounding the juice yeah well what does that mean well you don't pound water when you're dehydrated because water doesn't really hydrate it's not its

chemical nature well i've been doing that wrong my whole life i know most people have it's cool uh i know that was another thing is you got these people as we're planting you're just sweating you're repelling up and down these mountains. And they're going, drink your water, drink your water. And I'm over here. I'm good. I'm good. Like, oh, if you don't drink your water, we're pulling you off this goddamn mountain.

You're not going to plant anymore. You need to drink your water. And I yell down, like hanging on to this rope. I'm like, water doesn't hydrate. And you just see. Haven't you ever done a juice cleanse? God, you just see their mind just, you know, what? I'm like having this conversation as I'm hanging on, side of the mouth. Water doesn't hydrate. It's not its chemical nature.

That's not how it's designed. It's the universal solvent. I'm just going off my tangent, right? And I'm like, give me some OJ. Show me your eyes. Show me your eyes. And they're tripping out. They're like like wait a minute

i said if you actually want to hydrate the body at a cellular level which is really what you need to do to not dry the hell out is get some fruit juice look at what they're serving you here in ecuador if you're thirsty horchata which i found out they're horchata is that like j-o-r-h-o-r i mean i'm sure they they they actually spell it with an h it's kind of interesting but yeah horchata where i come from in southern california is a sweet milky cinnamony drink but if you go to ecuador and you ask for horchata they bring bring you this bright pink. It's just this herbal aqua fresca, basically. So totally different. Did not expect that.

But that's what they bring you to drink is fruit, herbs. That's what hydrates the body. Go figure. Right up your alley. I was like, I'm home. This is fantastic. You said you were, what is it? Repelling?

Rappling? Down mountains? I don't know. Is it rappelling? I have no fucking idea. Do I look like I went mountain climbing recently? First of all, I was not aware we were going to be doing that. We don't have mountains in New Jersey.

No, we don't have mountains in Florida either. So there's mountains out there? Because you're talking about the rainforest and everything, but then were you outside of it, I guess, too? Yes. So in the forest that, so Palo Santo likes hills. It actually likes incline because it grows sideways. It's a trip.

You actually have to point it in a certain direction when you plant it because it grows outward. How do you spell it? P-O-L-Y-S-A-N-T. P-A-L-O. P-A-L-O. Palo Santo. Fuck that up. Yeah.

We're on your Spanish note. I don't even know what I said out loud because I can't hear it in the thing. It fucks up my voice sometimes. Yeah, so it's a Palo Santo. So, like, for example, you see... I'll put this in the corner screen for people. So, like this guy right there. Oh, shit.

Yeah, so they eventually grow sideways. So you got to point them in the right direction. Now, mind you, eventually they intertwine with everything else because that's just how the rainforest is but um they want hills they like incline they like hills so that's where we were planned in that's where it likes to grow best so that's where we were and then we went deeper to the rainforest and then it got flat got it okay i'm so jealous that sounds awesome it was so cool i'm glad we took that tangent to start this whole thing off amazing you gotta do it yeah i'm i'm just figuring out like how do i get back there i don't have to wait for another well let's just want to go back let's talk

to paul now i don't want to die it's not a guarantee with him but you know he might take you to more safer places i mean they're sitting here telling me not to drink the water because you could get sick. I'm thinking, I'm sleeping with my white noise on because I don't want to hear what's getting eaten 15 feet away from me. He just sleeps right next to the jaguar. So you got to be careful with that. But I feel like, you know, he could probably clean it up with, you know, if he had like a dignified person down there. I just don't really.

I can deal with a lot of things you know like people send me a picture of their worms and their and stuff like that that's fine do not put me in front of creatures that i feel could eat me just don't do it i'll talk to him about that we'll see if we can do something but yeah i was i won't keep going on about his but i i think he'd be really really interested in what he does that'd be cool oh i did forget to ask this because you mentioned this real fast i think early in this podcast and i think you said be really, really interested in what he does. That'd be cool. Oh, I did forget to ask this because you mentioned this real fast, I think, early in this podcast. And I think you said something in the car. But you were learning about the gold miners and stuff down there, too.

What did you hear about that? So according to some of the drivers, obviously, you've been driving around a long time. One of the gentlemen actually worked in one of the gold mines. And they said it's just kind of, you know, you're young money it's a job it's a job so you go work and i asked well who owns these mines and he goes mainly canadians i said interesting so the canadians own most of these mines and they said yes it's okay how many how many of these mines are actually functioning still to this day they said only the ones that aren't poisoning the water and i said well i don't understand they said well unfortunately they go and they dig away because gold is everywhere in those mountains which i was

like all right party favors any like you're fucking out there i mean we're close like can we just take a drive really quickly like it's right there we just fucking out there i mean we're close like can we just take a drive really quickly like it's right there we just grab a little chunk and we're good call me a minor right just fantastic and they said that so many times they just go haphazardly into them and they hit mercury and mercury just goes straight into the water because you just you see how much you'll you'll see it when you go there but all these waterfalls so there's just constant flow of water within the rainforest is beautiful so it doesn't take much to poison the water if you strike incorrectly and they were hitting a lot of mercury and so

they said there's uh two active ones at least in the community we were driving through, which was this treacherous road to the El Quim area. And they said there's only two there that were active. But I'm, of course, you know, as I can try to look through the trees as we're driving and just taking a look at it, it's very unassuming. You would never know there's a mine there. It's not like that elaborate movie that they've got all the, you you know cranes and everything. No, it doesn't look anything like that It's a building with maybe a ladder down there and maybe one more building and the rest you just can't see did they talk about? the

Wild Wild West nature of the miners themselves at all no what they do when people sometimes cross them not all of them some of them well so i asked because again i was asking very few questions before i was maybe getting into territory that i shouldn't and i can only hold my own so far with spanish before i gotta grab someone to ask them to get involved and start you know uh translating for me i said uh for for minds just being out here in nowhere i don't see a lot of security and one of the guys looked at me and i don't think he knew how to tell me he's like he's like he's like you would never see it coming because you never know where the boundary is i said so you're telling me you know i'm thinking like an american where we've got the pick you know the the barbed wire fencing and

that shows me he goes yeah you'll find out when you've gone too far yeah i was like oh shit they'll never see you again they'll never see you again so that was as far as i got that was all i needed to know therefore i didn't go mining good good let's just plant trees yeah mining is um tough guys do that one that's all i'm gonna say and it's this is all secondhand stories i get i don't even know for sure like exactly how bad it gets but if the secondhand stories are even a preview holy shit man yeah god yeah it's crazy but anyway you've had a wildlife besides your two weeks there yeah i just like talking about it but i was down going on anthony pompliano's podcast in january and i was spending the day in miami with him and he was like oh i have another podcast coming in too i'm like oh

what is it he goes you know i don't even know it's like he does iridology but it's interesting so we're gonna learn about like okay he's like oh you want to sit in for that i said sure so i got to sit in there i i don't think i've ever done that before like sat in on a podcast i do this but like i don't you know i'm sitting here doing and i'm not like sitting there watching and i was so entertained by the conversation you guys had because not only are you like extremely knowledgeable about, and I'll fuck up all the terms, but like the lymphatic system and general health when it comes to like acidity levels and things like that, which I care a lot about, especially right now looking at some of my own issues. But, you know, you have like this wild worldview too. And you were someone who spent a long time in the tech industry. I believe you were working – we can talk about it, but you were working as a contractor for the Department of Defense at one point.

Is that the proper way to say it? Yeah. I was a liaison between the big tech and – yeah. Well, actually, why don't we start there? Why don't we start before you got to iridology? Because people are like, iridology? What the fuck is that? We'll get there. It's very, very interesting.

But before you got there and focused on everything you're doing now, what did you do out in Silicon Valley? What was your job role and where did you start? So I first started off just, I think, getting peon in the big tech world as an assistant i worked with a startup company who created the software that it was on excel as a base it was horrible i would go in on saturdays to help break it all right just to test it but it tracked uh pretty much every dollar that went in and out of california school systems or schools when it came to their construction. So as we know, California is extremely particular about all their reporting for taxes and dollars, especially education, say that to be kind. And they are, they want everything in what they call

a crystal report. I mean, this was, mind you, this was way back when, so I'm sure it's something totally different now. Now it's in the cloud somewhere and doing some AI. But I first started there. And I knew right off the bat after college, I'm like, I want to make money. And I know tech is going to be it. I was that kid that was constantly troubleshooting computers in the class for my teacher in fourth grade. I had never, I didn't have, I had the old school Mac, you know, dinosaur back in the class for my teacher in fourth grade i had never i didn't have i had the old school mac you know dinosaur back in the day and i just was fascinated by technology and so i knew

that one i wanted to make money i played golf in college which was a blast oh you did yeah i played competitive golf which is great however i was like well i could go make money doing this, but I have to be really good at school. And I hate school. I hated it. I was that C student, just in that meaty curve of mediocre. I feel like you were the person that just didn't like sitting down in the classroom. I hated it. With the structure.

No, I wanted to make friends with everybody. Every single one of my reports was, Elle just continues to talk too much. She makes friends with every single person I try to move her next to, to stop talking. No, yeah. Yeah, because you you're very very smart it's not on you that's that's not the issue like so i couldn't stay in school so i really loved golf and i loved the aspect of you know competitive uh collegiate sports but i couldn't stand school i mean i was falling asleep inside math class which i wasn't really already inclined to math anyways. Numbers are hard.

And so getting me up and having me practice early in the morning, I'm falling asleep in class. And so I just said, you know, I think I'm smart enough. I'm interested enough in tech and I like sales because I like people and I like talking a lot.

So I'm going to go into tech sales. This will be fantastic. And I moved up very quickly. I mean, I did not, I'll admit, I did not finish college because I just couldn't wait to make money. I couldn't wait to get out in front of people and do this thing. So right off the bat, I'm working in this startup. I left the startup, started working for a software company which was not a household name at the time it was a backup convolt which now is household you're welcome everybody for all those cold calls but so you know uh headquartered you know in jersey and such and so i i wendy's most important deal of the day has a fresh lineup pick Pick any two breakfast items for $4. New four-piece French toast sticks, bacon or sausage wrap,

biscuit or English muffin sandwiches, small hot coffee, and more. Limited time only at participating Wendy's Taxes Extra. Started there and kept moving up just as sales. Inside sales, then I went into territory sales. And I was doing really well for as young as I was. So I made my first, first I think six figures at 24 years old oh wow I'm single gal no big deal me was in a relationship at the time but not married not kids I was just like man you're balling I'm balling I can continue making money and having fun

took a step back from that because I really wanted to help people and that's just how I was raised to continue giving back and giving back and I just thought I'm just packing my bank account I'm not helping anybody I'm having a great time but I went a little extreme and that's how I knew to do things is basically like I'd clean slate go start something new I always burn shit down and go start something that was just my nature in the past and so i quit and left my relationship left a great paying job that i was up for a promotion how old are you at this point i was 20 uh going on 26 okay so i am i was like on trajectory and the vp is like you're doing what you're leaving what and at the time um i don't think i've ever even said this to her but so the the gal that I was dating at the time, I was up to be promoted to replace her.

But he hadn't told her that yet. I, of course, did not know. Oh, you were shitting where you eat, too. No. So here's the thing. Let's back this up for a second. So when we got together, I was not. I mean, I was still at the startup. I mean, I wasn't looking to get into the company, but like, why not?

You know, it was a great company at the time. She was working there. So I got into the company and this was not even an issue. I thought you dated cops. This is not a cop. Okay. All right. So you got into cops later. yeah i was still working on the you know the light you know just kind of business suit casual business suit casual and then i went into like the dark cops type of things i had my phases

and so um and that kind of scared me a little bit i think that that was also like no no no i i even though we're not together like i respect this person i'm kind of scared me a little bit. I think that that was also like, no, no, no. Even though we're not together, like, I respect this person. I'm kind of glad I'm leaving. Because even though I wanted that position, I didn't want her position. I didn't want to put her out of work. I mean, she'd been doing this way longer. I mean, she was 16 years older than me. So I also liked him a little.

I also liked him a little older. I guess that. Yeah. So there's that. So also, that wouldn't have gone over well. Hey, babe, I'm 16 years younger than you, and I'm taking your job. And I've been in this industry for three years. It wasn't going to go well.

So I just, like I said, I clean slate. And I said, I just want to travel, and I want to help people. And so I became a flight attendant. That's not where people would see that one one i want to travel and help people let me go work for american let me just go be a flight attendant which you know frankly i don't know who i helped but it was it was fantastic and fun how long were you a flight one year because they get paid shit yeah oh my Oh, I got it. Money's not the same. And the thing was, is money was never like a big thing for me until it was. Until it was not there anymore. And I was like, oh, I'm working twice as hard.

Yeah. At being a flight attendant for a fraction. I mean, maybe 30K. Maybe. And I'm making six feet. Okay. It's a hard job it was hard uh dealing with all kinds of personalities all the time i mean i loved that part though i'm crazy i love people

like tell me all your crazy stories and i loved it i i felt like every single time i had 100 to 150 people locked in a tube in the middle of the air and they were mine for hours i loved it well that sounds like the beginning of a horror movie this is how our movers start i loved people and i still do um it just it really came down to the stress the stress and the money they weren't equally now it wasn't worth it and so i of course left and that's when i started with hp which was still hp at the time like the hp the hp um prior to them separating becoming hpe and hp inc right um so i worked with uh i worked in san diego and uh the islands hawaiian islands and that's where i really got into though i was still doing commercial like uh sales i was working somehow got into dod conversations yeah what were you selling at that point what were you selling so servers storage

networking they were just starting to get into their cloud a little bit but it sucked um because it was new all right okay um this is what like 2014 maybe yeah okay so uh yeah like end of 2013 is when I started with them. And it was fantastic. Absolutely loved it. It was great. But that's when I started to get into that public sector type conversation and really selling like millions upon dollars of servers to the DOD and the Fed space, which I wasn't even a Fed rep. It just so happened that I worked on the island and not a ton of people understood the culture i'd spent so much time there already and i had i just eased you

know san diego five hour trip back and forth oh so you were hold on a minute you were selling were you maybe i'm really mixing a lot of things up right now but isn't this where like the NSA and Snowden was yes right so you okay yeah so you were work there's some things there yeah interesting yeah which I of course had no idea I'm like oh I'm gonna go sell millions of dollars server and it's DOD and it's on the island sign me up did that end up on the guardian I don't know all I know is that when i'm done selling it my hands are clean so yeah it was it was a trip you know i absolutely loved it and i swore to myself i would never work in the public sector i always wanted to sell the big company i was selling to herbalife i actually

no i can't say that we're gonna i'll bleep i'll bleep that we'll bleep that out. We'll bleep that out. I just bleeped that out. No, it's cool. There were some things at Herbalife, you know, when they went down with some of their stuff. Are you allowed to say that name? Yeah, totally. No, you're good. Herbalife's good. Okay, the other one, I won't bleep that one.

It's some of the things that happened when Herbalife got shut down by some of the things. And you watched some individuals get carried out in handcuffs as you're supposed to go meet with them to sell stuff i've seen some wild things and i swore i would never go to the public sector side until i started working with amazon amazon web services and that's moved from hp to amazon with a couple of gaps in there because again like i said i did some i did some burn down things so i was at i think I'm one of those people that leave while you're on top type of thing. I don't know, there's something about that. Like this is the best I've ever done in my life.

Let's leave it. You're an adventure seeker in a way. Little bit, not an adrenaline junkie, but just an adventure seeker. But you like to like, this is not the right word to use, but it's on the right parallel. You like to like torture yourself to have to build something new. Yeah.

I'm a startup mindset. I love startups. And so a lot of my roles were roles that were never invented or created before. And so I love going in and fashioning that role, making it to what it is, then leaving it and letting someone taking it to the next level. Right? And not taking your girlfriend's job. Yeah. Yeah, that part yeah that part um fantastic job uh but it's so i had taken breaks here and there that's when i did more humanitarian work you know uh going to nepal rebuilding homes i had stepped into some of the iridology as far as doing that with clients, but it was

my give back at the time. I was really starting to break into the, how do I juggle these things? How do I be the corporate saleswoman and, you know, total badass in the boardroom, but then helping humanity on this side? So I was really leaning into a lot of that humanitarian give back to the world effort at the time i just again couldn't leave it totally because of the money what was what was the culture like though and again people keep hearing this word iridology we are going to get to it yeah i promise you but what what was the culture like because Because people, you know, everything these days is fucking zero or a hundred with, especially politically in everything. And people have their stereotypes of all these industries.

And of course, you know, the stereotypes with tech. I'm talking to someone who has a 1776 tattoo on. Is it that wrist right there? There it is right there. So I'm kind of curious. I got my OM on the other side just to balance it out you're what that's an om symbol the fuck is an om symbol uh gosh i'm gonna just give it a high level it's basically a hindu symbol of uh it's a u m it's the vibration of pretty much all there is you are a

series of contradictions anyway so both hands right there, so you're working in sales. Is the sales level of it a little different? Of course, it's different culturally, but are there different attitudes and different, more diverse personalities, I should say, in sales rather than in, say, like engineering and tech? Huge. Okay. Yeah. And I think it's like anything you have your red personalities or your you're just very driven individuals who don't want details just put them in the let them run right um and obviously far more social than than engineering side now you get some hybrids here and there there are some some individuals that what I call one man shows, they can be the only person in a room, architect out the solution, but also sell

it. And those are rare individuals. And there are some out there and they're fantastic. But I will say there's very different personality and the culture depends on the company right uh i will say that out of any of the companies i worked with amazon focuses on culture and absolutely and i will say they've done a pretty damn good job depending on what department though right because like the i mean the lower level on the ground stuff we hear some horror stories about that yeah so uh and and sometimes it's it's very different to say why i worked for amazon because most people think amazon the retail side the dot com side right but when i yeah which is right which is a whole different beast and again that's where you're

getting the i'd pee in a bottle you know exactly? Exactly. I totally understand, right? Yeah. I didn't have visibility into that. I'll tell you something here in a second, though. That's a trip I've never actually told anybody this. You were all AWS, right? I was all AWS, which is the money-making side of Amazon, right? Which people don't think about. People don't think about.

So when I tell people I work for AWS, unless you're in the tech world, you have no idea what I'm saying. Or maybe you watch a lot of NFL, and then you're like, oh, yeah, I saw that. I'm for AWS. Unless you're in the tech world, you have no idea what I'm saying. Or maybe you watch a lot of NFL and then you're like, oh, yeah, I saw that commercially. Right. Yeah. So when I say, well, Amazon's tech company still don't know. How about cloud? I didn't know they had a cloud. So there's still a lot of this mysticism around AWS for the majority of society. They don't know Amazon's way deep in data and cloud and AI and all the other things. Don't even touch the Alexa part of this whole thing. I won't ever have one in my house, by the way. I'll bookmark that. We'll come back to that.

Yeah, yeah. Continue that. No Alexas in the house. Okay. But the culture, going back to your question, it is very focused on there. And I loved it. I loved the culture at Amazon or AWS, if you will.

Um, I, I, I felt I got most of my growth in my career at Amazon at AWS. Um, and AWS was the only role I've ever had that was 100% public sector. I didn't work with any private companies at all. And it was a trip because I swore I'd never do it because I didn't want any of the bureaucracy. I didn't want the contracts, the bids, the RFPs, you name it. I'm just constant shit that the government has to go through to spend a dollar

how dirty is that world there is there is an underbelly to it that i feel most people and i only scratch the surface of it i mean just like all of us we think that maybe we know the depth of some of the things the government does. The information we're this is where i really had to balance the two sides of myself is i'm hearing conversations that go against me as a patriot and our freedoms but yet i understand their driving motive for their intention is to help their intention is to do good and and really benefit society but i think we're actually damaging it yes and so there were times where i'd get off the the calls and i'd i'd immediately go take a shower i'm just like i feel fucking dirty i feel wrong and i feel like a hypocrite because i'm a patriot i know there's some things like

you can't go into details on some things because that's obviously confidential towards business. But on a generalized level, are we talking about, say, some privacy concerns with what we allow governments to have access to pretty much? Yeah. And no questions asked. Just going to take it. Yeah. Now, how do you put from your end now it's not like you're the ceo so but you're a high level employee there so you're reporting to people who

make final decisions and have that how much of that even from what you could see from their seats like you know the bezos type seat or whatever or the c-level type seat how much of that did you feel like was a you're gonna do this or we're shutting you down versus hey we want to do the work with you and if you don't do this we're gonna do the work with someone else but best of luck to you meaning like no threat you know you're saying um and just to be clear are we talking about how we're speaking to the agencies the government agencies that we're working with? Yeah, I meant just general government in general.

I will say this. Those conversations, I believe, are happening. They're at a very high, high level beyond those of us who are, of course, what they would consider peons. We're just out there architecting solutions. But I was one of those individuals that I wanted to get involved in what was being built, like whether it was at, you know, the state level of California, which that's where some of my scariest conversations I was having, and scared me as at the time a California resident. And then there were things that were happening at like the sheriff level, things that we were creating to help further safety, public safety,

and justice. And there was no strong arming. There's high encouragement. I wouldn't say I saw any of the kickbacks. High encouragement. Sorry, that just hit the top level for me. Yeah. There's high encouragement to use this. But I never saw any super dirty play. But I will say that that comes down to the culture.

The people Amazon hires, at least what I experienced, are some of the most high character of individuals. I really, really felt like I was surrounded by a good group of people who meant well. Whether they realized what they were building is different. Yes. Now, on that note, though, like you buried the lead with the Alexa thing there. Yeah. Why don't you have an alexa in your house because they are listening to everything everything how is this discussed internally

like are they is there ever like a moment of silence where it's like oh shit or is it just like oh yeah we're just getting data so that people we know everything people are doing the intention is to help the intention is to benefit society The intention is to benefit society, right? The benefit to make sure that if we overhear an argument happening inside a home that we call the cops for them. Oh, no. the intention to do good the intention to help society but the problem is we break privacy now i'm one of the individuals that i've been in abusive relationships before in the past i'm that stupid idiot that kept going through the door and volunteering myself to this situation so i understand what it's like to be in that, but would I have wanted someone to call the cops for me or to intervene? No.

Well, actually, let me play devil's advocate, though. Even if you did, this is where the bigger Constitution picture comes into me. And trust me, you know, there's mistakes made in the Constitution. That's why we have amendments, and there's things you can look at for sure but when it comes to some of the core tenets the right to privacy the right to free speech the the the right to uh untied media to be able to report on things things like this even when things go haywire in some ways and we start to question it that's like the test of questioning it because it's like well you got to look at the biggest picture i know there's a big picture that bothers you but what's the biggest picture of all and when i start hearing things like a machine can start to determine where an

argument's going too far well whether it's the machine or the person listening now how many people how many people do they have listening because there's a billion there's eight billion people in the world i honestly couldn't tell you i really but i will say this my if i put that tinfoil hat on yeah what's one of the portions of amazon that went completely down and they fired everybody that's the alexa area i don't wait. I don't... Wait, what? I don't know anything about that. So, unfortunately, things didn't go exactly... Now, we're not told, I don't think, the full story of why a lot of the part, the Alexa portion of the company was not doing as greatly.

I'm kind of of in my opinion i think that might be a little bit of karma because i just yeah it's if you look i think a lot so internally a lot 10 000 employees in november 2022 it was a massive layoffoff. Alexa and cloud gaming worst hit. Okay. We're just pulling up the report while you're talking here. Yeah. Okay. So, and I will say this, Bezos was never a fan, from what I understand, of firing. This was unprecedented.

Not to say this is a fault. You know, I come from, everyone's creating their own reality and you attract everything to yourself, bad or good, depending on how you want to define it. So I do feel for some of my Amazonians is what you call them. unprecedented for amazon to lay off this many people especially in those sectors because these are two areas that are actually supposedly growing gaming is huge look at everything that's coming out metaverse you know crypto all the gaming that pays how is it that we're not succeeding in the gaming realm how is it we're not succeeding in the ai elixir realm i think just maybe a little karma but but don't you that's fine for this one company cool but is it different or do you not know about this because i don't know i just kind of assume it's the same is it any different at google yeah i have no idea i'll tell you this i do have a google in my house because you don't know because i don't know and that's i'll bet and i know i guarantee you

everything is being recorded i'm sure everything there i don't but then again i take this thing around with me right that's the problem everywhere and i'm not that's why i'm saying this i just wouldn't because especially at the time i was working for the company and i didn't i will say i was not going to have an alexa in my house and i would not uh you know we obviously do uh bring your own device right byod so i preferred iphones but i would not back end my phones into their their mdm into their what it's called mdm it's their it's basically almost like their not their api the vpn so that i could get my emails from the company email and i could do all that with my own device i would not allow that vpn connection to my personal device because i just don't trust the guys on the back end of this and they're only human that's not to say it's a company driven thing it could just be some guy in

the back that just wants to look through my photos i'm not about it so i'm just one of those individuals that doesn't like to have a lot of access to my stuff but again here i am with a google in the house not really my choice um my ex got me hooked on it because it does the white noise at night it's really the only reason i have it it's a horrible reason to have an ai device in my house so it could play white noise at decibels yeah yeah i know this is why nothing is ever 100 it's just i just when i found out about the alexa stuff and i was you know working with the company again i absolutely love the community i worked with i love am so i love what they provided for me, what I got to do, the people I felt I was helping. There's an underbelly to it. And there were times where,

like I said, I had some conflicts. And I think the way you paint some of it, I think is actually really fair, because I get shit for this when I point this out to people who are really concerned about the privacy, righte so but i'm like you know i'm not so sure that all the people have bad intentions right and i think a lot of them actually probably don't are there some that do who just aren't thinking about things were their scumbags yes but i think a lot of people are exactly what you said they're trying to do what's best for people but like what's the quote the road to hell is paved with good intentions i think that's probably what this is a guy that i find myself going so back and forth on though is bezos of all these executives because he seems to be a series of contradictions too i really took a step back when no pun intended when he took a step back and left because i'm like

wait a minute this is not on brand like he gave up the ceo role he's out there fucking lifting and shit banging very hot girlfriend like living the life you know kind of like balling out at this point his ex-wife is donating all of her money right as fast as possible good for both of them yep you know because like point being he took his hand off the trigger yeah right when if you were going to put on the tinfoil hat and go full conspiracy right when you would think well he would be putting it firmly on there and i'm like well wait a minute you know this is the same guy who buys the washington post which is a conflict of interest, in my opinion, the front page, you know, that's the problem with a lot of these publications, like New York Times, Washington Post, the front page stuff is where like the news whores go, right? Like the people who are just

trying to get on the front page. That's all the shitty journalism. And then everyone else, like my friend, the good shits in the fifth, fourth page, my friend, Joby Warwick is at the Washington Post, and he's fucking amazing, you know, but he's not a guy whoring himself for the front page every time, you know? So anyway, but still, people see the front page, they see the headlines. We can all laugh at some of the headlines we see at these publications online. And I see a guy like that buying that and then he's buying it when the front page of those places is also pushing more and more lockdowns as this went on with the pandemic, which profits him at Amazon. So I'm starting to think of the time like, oh, this Bezos guy. Oh, my God, he's evil. more and more lockdowns as this went on with the pandemic which profits him at amazon so i'm i'm starting to think of the time like oh this bezos guy oh my god he's he's evil and then he quits

and he's also like elon musk has never really liked him and he's been a competitor but he's like kind of being nice to elon publicly now too you see what I'm saying? Like there's all these little things that are happening and I'm like, huh, I wonder if a guy like that who has the ultimate keys to the kingdom has seen some of those things that even go beyond what he'd be okay with with good intentions and is saying, oh, wait a minute, maybe the 99% of the population

who's concerned about this stuff has a point. What do you think? I mean, I feel it's both, right? I feel he does have good intentions. I was bummed to see that he stepped back. Really? I think the man is a genius in his own right. However,

I think he has his hands in as what people, I don't know the term, what do they call it? Oligarchy. He's part of that whole crew. Right? I think eventually you get too big and you have to step back.

When you say have to, what do you mean? Like Mark Zuckerberg, the guy should have bail what do you mean like mark zuckerberg the guy should have bailed a minute ago because he should have been the last person on the freaking stand right but when it came to facebook but like are you implying i want to make sure i understood this right are you implying that there's like some bigger thing that tells you oh time for you to step down jeff that is my okay tinfoil hat moment okay I do think that he's too involved in certain things, and he had to. It was, if you don't, we're all going under with you.

Whether or not we're able to cover that up or whatever that is, or maybe it's not as big as now some of the things we're learning about. Who's to say? But talk about a 180 in all of the things in his life as you said and so i wonder if it's just like okay now you're free though he's still on the board he's still helping me yes yes he's not gone he's not gone gone but what's fascinating to me is the rumors and though they could just be rumors of him coming back after are there rumors there that i mean i think like a month or so ago there were rumors that he would come back and take the helm again i'm thinking that's got to be a rumor i don't know about you but if i'm living his life i'm not coming back he looks checked out man

i'm not coming back this shit show so i'm when i saw that i thought i i don't know how you would just walk away from your baby like this. You're at the top. Maybe you're one of those individuals like me when you're at top. OK, great. But I just I don't know. But what if let's just put on our tinfoil hat for what if? What if we knew about this pandemic was going to happen we knew all the big at least some of the the big tech the big three we'll call it maybe big four but big three who would your three be well you got google you have facebook maybe throw twitter there but

twitter's a show um but you have facebook google excuse, excuse me, Microsoft, Facebook, Google, and Amazon. What about Apple? Yes. Maybe I'm just too in love with Apple still and want to believe that they've got good intentions. Oh, okay. I see what you're saying now. Got it. No, I'm sure.

I'm sure as well. But when you look at who benefited the most during this pandemic, we were busier than we'd ever been in i think any time in aws than in the pandemic to be clear when did you officially leave like what year uh i left in july last so like eight months ago nine months ago got it okay and like i said i i nothing bad to say absolutely love them i love the teams love the the company at least how i perceived it but if you just take my direct experience out of it there are things that i could kind of look side-eyed at and go wow so we made a shit ton of money during the pandemic everyone's holed up in their houses can't go anywhere we're benefiting i mean you just saw our stock go absolutely crazy and i thought to myself i don't know how i feel about benefiting

from a tragedy such as this but that money is kept within the few this isn't like this amount of wealth is being sprinkled around every no we're working three times as hard. The higher ups are getting paid boatloads, we get, you know, some of our stock, right. But ultimately, this was a lot, a lot of profit made during this time. And just the timing, the pandemic, and the profit, and the stock going up, and Bezos happened to just take his, his break. and then you probably know that the pandemic has its expiration date because people are going to call bullshit eventually right right right and companies are going to get really sick and tired of being put under their thumb and saying you can't do anything and eventually they're going to let up and eventually science is going to prove that

you know some of the things weren't exactly as they told us was fauci all those other things and now we have to lay we hired a ton of people for the pandemic and then had to lay off massive amounts you look at the state of amazon now and I just think, what? You lost all that profit. You lost all the profit. Is that karma? Maybe. Or was this all part of the plan? Because Bezos was never a fan of firing people.

So they say. But then nothing against Jassy. Then he fired people, yeah. But then there's all these people who are scared to death. You fired not only Alexa and the gaming, two areas where, frankly, Cloud is Cloud. We've done it a million times at this point. I can't believe what I'm saying.

It was back in the day where you're still doing mainframe and servers and shit. Now we're talking Cloud's like, Oh, cloud diamond dozen at this point. But the two areas I feel really are things that are up and coming, especially as we get into more of this metaverse area. And you cut off two of those areas and fired a bunch of talent acquisition managers so no more hiring so what you're saying it's a giant contradiction it that's that's what it looks like to me but what does that mean like that's what i'm not really sure of like does that mean there's some sort of like they're just icing out one company? They.

Big quotes, right? Or I don't know. This is where I get so stressed at night. And I can't control any of it. I don't fucking know what happens. You can't let it keep you up at night, man. I tell you, this is where I just eventually, you know, because I had to look at that again. If I truly believe that everyone is creating their own reality and attracting everything to them, then this is just part of the cycle. I think that, yes, Amazon gave a good service. Some of these big tech gave a good service during the pandemic.

But ultimately, we profited off unfortunate times, some of the most unfortunate times we've seen in our history and that's just the balance nature is like that yeah no it's that happens creates destroys creates destroys always a cycle and in order to recreate itself again and maybe this is just their burndown maybe this is just the way they recreate themselves in in a new age who knows it's unfortunate for a lot of people but those people are okay they'll be okay yeah yeah you're when you start talking about the the plan of it all right i think that beyond what we don't know and can just speculate on, I think that especially at tech companies, they have simulations of everything. So they're – and you would know that better than most of us. I mean they're prepared for how to capitalize at scale on black swan events because it's not like previous titans of industry in the 60s and 70s

and shit where it's like oh oil or some not that those places aren't around they are with tech they click one button shift one thing boom we're in this world now it's not a physical product you know so for them to be able to say do well with something like the pandemic i mean i could fill in five other blanks of things that could have had, you know, some catastrophic similar effect where they would have done well, too. Yeah. You know, so them being prepared, it's almost like they were prepared by their existence and their innovation. And so where that gets confusing is then you look at, well, the people and the intentionality of it. And that goes, it's a similar wavelength to what we were talking about i think a lot of people probably have good

intentions obviously i got a little weirded out when like you know they're calling for endless lockdowns and you have the owner of fucking amazon owning the company asking for that in the washington post so stuff like that you know that'll get my attention. Yeah. But, you know, it's interesting to hear you say like, yeah, it sucks to be able to say you profit off something like this. And you're right about that. And that's a good humane thing for you to say too. But it's not just tech. I mean, me, I'm still trying to make it out of my parents house here. But like, we grew off zero on this thing. And we grew in the pandemic. and if the pandemic hadn't happened this never would have exactly and there's a lot of other people across a lot of industries like me and it's kind of zero or a hundred you either the pandemic was a good thing for you

business-wise or it was a bad thing it's not like well it was good and bad it's like no no this either fucked you or made you yeah i think that's just the reality of like, you know, unexplainable Darwinism in some things. And I don't, I don't bash it at all. Yeah. I mean, you look at what's going to, what's going to happen to the real estate market here soon. I mean, there's just the cycles of it. I mean.

What's going to happen in the real estate market soon? I mean, everyone's, who can time the market, right? I feel like you just sold off like four assets before you came here it's just one so also in california but that was a good decision either way yeah you're getting two bucks for it yeah so you know just like again this is just how nature does things but i agree that the pandemic opened up a lot of opportunities even if that opportunity looked like a shitty situation i mean how many people decided you know what screw this i'm gonna quit this dead-end job and go create my own business fantastic yeah you might have struggled a little

bit yeah but it created opportunities so going back to the real estate comment is we see what's happening with the financial markets right now not not great not great doesn't look promising right great for crypto i guess yeah maybe maybe not aspects of it so now we're in this now we've we've just got through the whole pandemic thing which is now getting debunked by every which way, you know, the shots and the origins and all the things. So now, you know, dealing with that. And now we have banks failing. And now truth's coming out about why that fails. Who knows, right?

But inflation, taxes, Fed Reserve, all the things that are happening, look, the value of cash most likely going to go down, right? It's going to stress the average individual. And it's going to create a lot of opportunity for investors, especially in the real estate market. Now, do I look at those people badly? No, I'm actually one of those individuals that those who are prepared for certain times of struggle can benefit. Nothing wrong with that. There's the, if you knew it was going to fail and you purposefully positioned yourself in a place of influence to direct that to maybe be a little harsher of an event to then benefit your company that might be a little bit of an issue that's where i have that problem yes is did you help

make this situation worse so that you could profit now that's a karma i don't get involved in because karma keeps receipts yeah so i So I'm all about preparedness and opportunity. When those two meet, fantastic. But if your intention was to continue harm on a class of people just so you could benefit, which we see all over the world in different areas, you know, yeah, that's something I don't like to be around. Yeah. I don't like that like i i'm not one of those well proof's in the pudding you left yeah yeah and i just yeah it was time

and i'm glad i did because it it got me to really step foot a hundred percent into what i i really truly love doing and that's helping people with their health and a gateway to people to talk about other things whether that's physical or non-physical issues. All right, let's go there. All right, let's do it. Let's talk about what you're doing. Sure. So like I said, I was sitting in on that podcast with Pomp.

And literally like five minutes before you get there, I'm like, so what does she do? And he goes, bro, I have no idea. It's called urology. I'm like, what the fuck is that? He's like, you look at eyes and you tell people's health. I don't know. It's like 50-50. I've talked to doctors who are like, yes.

I've talked to doctors who are like, quackery. I guess we're going to find out. So then we get in there and you guys just had this wild podcast. But to start off, before we break down like some of the many things about the full system that you're aware of that everyone can understand because it's medical actual medical fact before we get there the the specific thing you do with iridology can you just explain exactly how it works sure understand sure so the entire nervous system in the body communicates obviously to the brain but specifically to the eyes and so the colored part of your eye or the iris is the only soft tissue that exists to this day. Soft tissue analysis, excuse me. And you can take a close-up picture of the eye and pretty much tell 80% of your health. How? Well, given the entire nervous system communicates to the eye, and I just, this is kind of where I feel like this is beyond some of our knowledge as far as how, why it was created this way. But there has to be a way to look into the body instead of being invasive.

And this is where I just think creation made it super easy for us is how do we take a look at the body without having to cut into it? And that's where the eyes come in. I can tell, and through iridology, you can tell structure, you know, whether that's the muscular, bones, lymphatic system, nervous system, digestion, skin, everything. What is the lymphatic system? So the lymphatic system is in short term, your sewer system. So you eat and you excrete. Well, so do your cells, every single one of them, depending on what you're feeding them, right? So if you feed the body something that it doesn't necessarily digest very well or process very well, know what do with it needs to excrete it also cells live and die that's just natural part of life you know very much we're very much like a plant yeah and so if those dead cells have nowhere to go cellular waste or dead cells and they're not out of the body and they just stay in the body then that's a problem? So the lymphatic system is responsible for the absorption, utilization,

and then elimination of all of that intake that you put in your body. Okay. So back to the front end of the eyes, though. First of all, how did you get into this again like when yeah so i was introduced i was introduced to this when i was a kid so my mom was riddled with just health stuff and not massive major chronic things but like constant headaches eczema severe eczema up to her elbows, constant pains, mood swings, all things. And she couldn't find answers. She'd gone to every doctor, everything she could find.

And no one could give her relief. And we're talking where I was a kid and she'd go to the chiro a few times a week. And the chiro had to teach me how to adjust my mom because there were days, obviously, that the chiro wasn't working and my mom would be in pain so i would adjust her and give her relief so this is just kind of my experience with my mom and it was hard to watch well one day she just goes into this little herb shop in testing california and this little older lady comes over and my mom's telling her her her ailments and she's getting the back i'm gonna read your eyes

my mom's like okay you've got in the back like what's going on and she gives my mom an iridology exam or a analysis and just reads her mail to her like my mom didn't have to tell her any of the origins or what had happened that she got into a massive car accident hit her head on the windshield the audio she didn't tell her any of those things here's this older lady just going yep you got this this this this this take these herbs do this and and you'll be fine and my mom did exactly what she said some of the ailments you know went away some things we detoxed a little later on down the road but my mom was fascinated by this she goes okay you mean to tell me that i can look in someone's eyes and find out everything i need to know about their health minus let's just say the blood because the blood's 20 of the health equation whereas lymphatic is 80

okay so that's when people say you're 80 water you're you're 80% lymphatic fluid, not water. Yeah. So, which is, is a big deal. And, and so she just went on this, you know, down the rabbit hole with iridology. And so when I grew up, I found these books by Dr. Bernard Jensen, and I thought it was fascinating because I'm just a nerd like she is. And so I started flipping through the books. And when I saw the pictures of eyes, and I'm, I don't know, 12, 11 or 12. It was hard to look at them. Because I could almost feel like the eyes look like the person was in pain. Well, they were. I didn't know this. I hadn't read the book fully. And so I said, Well, I'm a really squeamish kid. I'm just gonna put these books away. And 20 years later, my dad gets really ill. Same thing. Can't figure out what the heck's wrong with him. Take him to every allopathic doctor, herbal doctor. All of the can't find any solutions for this man. And we're almost losing him. Like it's scary to this point. I mean, the man can't even look out his own eyes. He's so swollen everywhere and in pain, can't sleep. And I thought to myself, there's got to be a better way.

There has to be an answer for this and that's when i was introduced to dr robert morse out of port charlotte florida he's one of the only individuals to work with dr bernard jensen and dr bernard jensen is who's basically responsible for pioneering iridology into the states, into the modern consciousness, if you will. And there's a lot of people like it's it's mixed. There's people who think this is totally fake and people who think this is totally real. But when you start off, like you mentioned the story about your mom and the woman was able to read it through her iris and everything. Like, how do you, what specifics, can you give examples of like things that the eye will show that then translate to a specific ailment? Yeah. So for example, this is one of my favorites is when I know nothing about someone's health and they're like, okay, read my eyes. And this often happens and I don't like to do this now, but this often happens when, you know, you're sitting at a bar or at brunch and someone challenges you and like, oh, yeah, look at my eye.

And I look at their eye and like, what's up with your left knee? And their eyes just get big as dollars. Like, holy shit, how'd you know? My knee's been bothering me for years and I can't figure it out. I'm like, yeah. It's like some psychic shit. They act shocked. And I'm like, this is not shocking.

It's science. But we don't teach this, right? Blood tests are cool. I nerd out on them a little bit, but they are nothing compared to what the eyes will tell you. And so all I can say is there's way too much freaking proof that this is accurate and works every single time because I've done it enough

and I've read people's eyes from all over the world without knowing a single thing about their life. And I'll tell them every single day what they're eating, not maybe how many eggs they're eating, but I can tell you they're eating eggs. I can tell you're eating meat. I can tell you're eating this. I can tell you you've got this organ suffering. I can tell you probably got some back problems or you got digestion.

It's sluggish here. Maybe it's a little painful on this side, descending colon. Like it's that pinpointed accurate. And I get emails that are just paragraphs and paragraphs. Oh my God, how did you know? Here's what's been going on. This, this, this, this, this. Now with proper chemistry and physics and knowledge of that and how the body works,

you can always map those back down to the root cause. Most people are just feeling the symptoms, right? Most people are just experiencing eczema or aches in their knee. They don't have any idea how that came about. So how does that, there's a good example, eczema, because you've talked about, I've heard you say it, I know you said it on the podcast with Pomp, and we were talking about it earlier, the skin is the third kidney or something like that, because if it's not going to be excreted through the kidney, it's going to be excreted somewhere. I'm sorry, real fast.

Yeah. Your phone, can you put that? This is really random. Can you put that in your pocket or something? How about just put it on the ground? Yeah, yeah, that's fine. And then see this mug? Yeah.

Can you move that to that other one right there off camera? I don't know why, it caught the cameras see your color now if we're looking at your screen i can barely see me but as long as it yeah the camera was picking up something happens sometimes when it puts this mug into focus yeah or like something white and then the camera turns yellow so if i have someone listening out there who understands camera focal coloration or something. Please explain this. Why does she have jaundice? It drives me fucking nuts.

I will be sitting here focused on a podcast, but listening to someone while watching their screen over here is like, why the fuck is their color doing that? But now your color looks great. Fantastic. Anyway, back there. We'll see how long that lasts now. It works. But with this, I was saying the skin being the third kidney thing right yep so if you're looking at something like eczema for example which is something that i struggle with what about your diet because a lot of what you

talk about with iridology comes back to things you're doing in your diet and to be clear you're not someone who's like oh go vegan or something like that. You have very customized things for people. But what about your diet can you immediately kind of glean and be like, oh, it's one of these types of three things, for example, that you're doing that's uh like flesh we call protein and i'll break that down here in a second but meat fish i call it flesh uh and uh dairies major and uh i'd say the other one is probably just i mean alcohol could be one of those. It's highly, highly inflammatory, highly acidic. But really, it's anything that's on the acid scale. And when I say acid scale, I'm not talking like a lemon, because people are like, well, lemons are too acidic. No, no, no. We're talking how foods break down inside the body. That's how we measure them when it comes to lymphatic system.

Pretty much anywhere in chemistry, biochemistry, you always measure how it breaks down into the body. And so I usually can tell if someone's eating a high mucus forming diet. You could have someone eating no meat and a ton of rice and still end up with eczema because rice is heavily mucus forming. What kind of rice? Doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. I eat more rice, more brown rice than anyone you've ever seen in your life. The thing about rice, so I tell people that if you have anything that you could kind, if you cook it and you could pack it into a form, if it's gooey, if it sticks together, that's going to happen inside the body.

It's going to create an obstruction. The body doesn't like obstruction. How does that form mucus? Because it's how it breaks down in the body. So even you can look at something outside of the body. But unless you understand how the human body works and what we're supposed to eat, which is not really what anybody else is eating at the time. That's what determines where you are in that pH level. Right. So we as humans are a species.

We don't do blood types. You don't change diets based on blood types. I get there's a lot of theories out there. Most everything out there, if you flip open your Instagram or your Facebook, everything that's told you diet, this supplement, yada, yada, this herb, it doesn't fucking matter. Two sides of chemistry. There's acid and then there's base side. Not too far to alkaline because remember, nature doesn't like extremes anywhere. So closer to the alkaline pH level in the body is prime. Well, how do you get there?

Well, you first understand that as a human, we have short pocketed intestines. We have a certain structure of our teeth and what we can eat and if you get into exactly what uh and how we break things down with all those systems whether it's digestion lymphatic nervous system mainly focusing on kidneys adrenals and those the endocrine system you'll find out every single day that we are meant to eat more on the frugivore side. Fruits, berries, melons. Fugivore. Yep. Fruits, berries, melons, some seeds, some nuts. But notice how there's no dairy, there's no flesh, and there's no heavy starches. Beans also fall into the protein area. We don't digest beans very well. And a lot of vegetables,

we don't digest very well either because we don't have four stomachs like the herbivores do. So you look at like a cow, you look at a horse, look at how long their digestions are because they have four stomachs to deal with the long cellulose and the long fiber strings. Chemistry in there. So we don't have that. So because we only have one and we don't break down a lot of those foods well, it reacts because all the acid is supposed to be in one part of our body, the stomach, but then it spreads. Correct. So now you go pour in something that requires a high acidic process to break it down.

You get these people out there who are like, yeah, I'm going to eat meat for energy and building muscle. I just laugh because that doesn't make sense in science. Chemistry would laugh at you. that's not how that works the second you go pour in that high acidic forming chemistry the body has to do overboard of acids so now you got the stomach chamber which is the only acid chamber in the body right so you got that breaking it down but it's mucus forming when it breaks down it's like sludge you have two waste systems you've got the undigested food which is just your stool going through the the large

sorry large small intestine and then you have the lymphatic system in the the uh sewer the waste going out the kidneys out the urine hopefully you've kidneys, out the urine. Hopefully you've got some dusty, cloudy urine. Because if you don't, you're dying. You're dying. You're dying. If you are not taking the trash out, you're dying. Because you're just backing up that sewer system. And the longer you keep those acids in there,

the longer you're breaking down tissues. I see it every day in eyes. These tissues that are just suppressed by all this mucus and all this lymphatic waste, it's just suppressing them. It's just tearing these tissues apart, just setting them on fire. And so now you start to see all the other issues, right? Which we can go into. But basically, when it comes down to the diet, I want people to understand that we really should be eating things that are made for us in the way our body works. So let's just say, going back to the eczema question. So you pour in a bunch of this acid forming food, it doesn't break down very well. You can't really utilize hardly any of it,

especially flesh. And what does the body do with it? If it doesn't break it down fully, if it can't use a lot of it, it does one of two things. Hopefully, some of that waste or that mucus, lymphatic congestion goes out through the kidneys and through your urine. But for the majority of people there, it's just storing because when you say, I'm sorry, i want to make sure i follow this when you say that though and you're talking about forming mucus i keep picturing the mucus forming in your stomach like because that's where the process is going and then i guess it works its way up but you're talking about it forms up here it can form yeah well from your stomach yes so

if you take draw a line from your stomach all the way to your head, what do you have? The entire GI tract up here, right? So it's basically gas forms and then it creates mucus. Right, because the waste has to go somewhere. It's trying to go through all the lymph nodes. So people who are taking lymph nodes out, fucking stop. Those are your garbage men. Those are the guys picking up the trash and taking it to hopefully the dump but so it's going to do its best to have all the lymph nodes take on a load of this waste and you have them throughout your entire body but if they're already

clogged they can't take on any more trash now you got a problem now you're just overloaded in the lymph nodes your garbage men are done can't take any more and your kidneys which we are genetically weak in our kidneys and adrenals at this point in our civilization we just keep passing down these issues and so it's rare i see someone with like the soldiers for kidneys you're saying like evolutionarily yeah we just keep passing these issues down we don't ever fix them we don't strengthen that's one of my things is gosh i mean if you want to have a baby do you want to create a life i i'm inspired to help moms take a look at their end dads right depending on how they're having their kid uh really take a look at their genetic weaknesses already before they're passing them down to their children because now we just continue to do this and yes you can tell genetic weaknesses already before they're passing them down to their children. Because now we just continue to do this.

And yes, you can tell genetic weaknesses in the eyes. How? So again, this is all the nervous system that's communicating, right? Nobody comes in with a clean slate. When we're babies, if you're breastfed by your mom, you are getting her lymphatic system immediately. So you have a of people say well yeah i was born with blue eyes but suddenly they turn brown why let's look at mom's eyes i love when i get a chance to do family's eyes because

i can see the issue just get passed down you see the drug chemical deposits get passed down you see the genetic dispositions grow within the genes. Are you saying their genes almost get edited when that happens? Because they're so young? Or did that totally go over my head the wrong way? They're in there. That's what I thought. The lymphatic system. You'll take on.

But why were you saying that you can talk to people before they're going to be parents to... I don't know if this was the exact phrase you used but like edit their genes yeah so you would have to go pretty deep pretty deep to fix some genetic issues and they would have to be pretty young in the gene pool within the you know the length that they've been in the genealogy to fix i'm not looking to fix genes per se because i don't think anybody's that dedicated to just i mean they would have to go full board fruit tearing for the rest of their life right i'm not asking for someone to do that because we're here to enjoy and experience and try all the flavors and things right what i want

what i would love for moms and dads to do or however combination that is is to give their child a better leg up. Okay, so for example, I was given a, not her fault, but my mom was a highly dehydrated, she didn't know any of this stuff. She was living on Advil and Tylenol because she was in so much pain, right?

Steroid creams, loved drinking tea eating popcorn lots of sulfur in her body and so i come in with you know what i i either have really light light brown eyes or i have blue underneath all this shit in here because there's only two colors of eyes blue and brown and everything else is just lymphatic system so how do people get green eyes they're full of shit go back to go back to primary colors what makes green blue and yellow i was gonna say blue and brown blow your nose sometime and tell you what color that is this probably looks like the shit on that's covering up those blue eyes so it happens all the time when i'm looking into green eyes that person has a problem has blue eyes and they're full of lymphatic waste yeah same with you see somebody with like the orange

spots in their eyes or dark spots in their eyes no you don't see those never seen that now if you see red eyes run now now we got a a different problem. That's an alien. Or a vampire. I'm pretty sure those might exist somewhere. Could be one or the other. Maybe we'll go in Ecuador and see if there's any in the rainforest. But there's, that's kind of. There are very few things that you can be certain of in life.

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you find out, but when you look at parents, I'd love for them to just give their kids a leg up. I came in, like I said, with sulfur and all this other shit, but I also came in

with a parathyroid weakness and a pituitary weakness. I'm five foot nothing. I have teeth that are horrible. I grow hair wonderfully. I've got all the other things, but for some I have teeth that are horrible. I grow hair wonderfully. I've got all the other things. But for some reason, my teeth aren't great. So if you...

What's wrong with your teeth? Oh, I know they look probably okay, but they're not my favorite. But they're super duper. They're like, for example, I had cavities on my first set of teeth. I'm like, wait a minute. I have perfect hygiene. I'm not pounding down sodas. My parents did not allow that. I'm flossing. I'm brushing, wait a minute, I have perfect hygiene. I'm not pounding down sodas. My mom,

parents not allow that. I'm flossing, I'm brushing. But why is it I've got cavities in my first round of teeth, and in my second round, forget about it. And teeth pain and all the things. And, and as I studied this stuff, I find out I have a parathyroid weakness. Parathyroids deal with calcium utilization. But if I look in my eyes, I clearly have a spot in my parathyroids deal with calcium utilization but if i look in my eyes i clearly have a spot in my parathyroid spot i clearly have an issue in my pituitary which is all growth factor i'm short didn't develop as well and i was riddled with growing pains you just aches and pains as you're growing because because the pituitary deals with all the growth factors. What if your husband's really short? Maybe he's a fan of that. I got nothing against short men. I got nothing against short people. But what if you didn't

want to pass that down to your child? Maybe they wanted to be a little taller. Maybe you could give them a little bit of a better leg up on that and get to understand your genetic weakness so that when the kid cops out if mama you're too acidic then maybe we don't have you pass your lymphatic system down to the baby maybe you don't breastfeed maybe maybe you give your child a little bit of a better chance i know there's a lot of mamas out there who are like fuck that i need to breastfeed my child because there's hormones and there's this. No, no. Two sides of chemistry.

Do yourself a favor. That baby's got beautiful, clear eyes. Leave them alone. Give them a different, not formulas, because now we got the other problem, baby formulas. But what's the problem with that? Now they're mucus forming. They're mainly whey based or soy based. And the formulas we see out in the market today are pretty...

Sounds like a lot of things are mucus-forming. Almost everything is. And you've really got to make choices. And so I tell people, this is all a choose-your-own-adventure. You can go eat cheese all the time. You can eat your heavy starches. If you're combining certain foods, this is another thing. If you're combining a starch with a flesh or a protein you're canceling out digestion i know i call it flesh it's just easier i'm laughing because that's exactly what i do

it's what everybody does go to any restaurant and tell me that there's not a starch and a protein mixed together everything we eat in this country and pretty much in society is that's what gives me pause though because even when you look at like people talk about like old cultures with more natural food and whatever they do that too uh-huh you know like we put all kinds of shit in our food too god do we ever but like if i go to italy they got a starch and a meat they in fact they have them as separate courses you get both of them right you know if i go to if i go to china i get rice and i get you know chicken like it's not it's the same shit and yet a lot of places don't seem to have maybe not even specifically the mucus thing but are problems that we do.

So is a bigger effect the kinds that you hear people talk about like the seed oils and shit like that. Is that even bigger and this is just something where you're getting really granular for people who are maybe more sensitive to it like me obviously so it's a great question i there's a few answers to that there's always the relationship with the food i think i talked about this a little bit before is i there are cultures out there who eat whatever the hell they want. And they seemingly are perfectly fine. Blue zone and certain things. But look at their attitude. Look at the vibration that they have in their life. Look at their intentionality, the way they believe about that food.

There is a relationship they have with that food that though if we probably looked at their eyes, yeah probably have issues but they're not experiencing anything to this day like you know eczema headaches whatever it may be this is what you and pop were talking about this he brought up warren buffett the guy is like 90 years old and drinks coke and eats ice cream every day and he's great and you said it's probably has and this doesn't make a lot of sense when you hear him talk about it it's his relationship with it he's never thought about like i'm putting shit into my body oh my god so there's like the mental reinforcement there i think he has no resistance yes absolutely what is he invested in what companies are he is he invested in coca-cola and is he mcdonald's is one of them as well i think so okay what is he that man is eating part of his legacy can you think about the pride like god like think about this shit that man is eating so you're saying he's created and god what an amazing feeling you're saying i

gotta go to mcdonald's and order a burger and coke and be like but i'm gonna invest in fucking stock and you know what now it's my legacy so i can do this every day because here's here's the unfortunate part it's easier for me to get someone to eat a fruititarian lifestyle than it is to change their perception around things i believe that unfortunately and this is coming from a girl who grew up in orange county california where if you're not 100 pounds wet you are fat we are already in the society raised with a bad relationship with food everything's going to kill you everything's going to do this to you so right there's all of the the mental and the ego and the opinions. And again, you can't even open Facebook and Instagram without someone telling you that that's going to kill you,

or this is going to make you well, or this is the right way to do things. We're so riddled with all of that. I find that the people who have zero resistance and aren't listening to all this going on are probably perfectly finding that stuff. So I'm not going to tell them that they shouldn't or they can't. Where I do give some of my advice and I give this information are to people who are perhaps looking to either relieve themselves of certain symptoms are staring in the face of chronic illness and want to feel better or are looking at okay maybe maybe what i've been doing hasn't been working maybe i want longevity and maybe that looks different and maybe that looks like this whole lymphatic system ph level thing i only come from the detox standpoint because other than detox

yeah like cleaning the body up repairing issues cellular regeneration because cells regenerate tissues regenerate I come from that standpoint other than that go have a blast all right so someone walks in let's say they are a power lifter so they're eating all kinds of dead animals right let's say they have a severe mucus problem and let's say they've had let's say they've been doing this heavily where they have these problems and they've been power lifting heavily for like five years so it's not been like two days yep how do you fix them well i first tell them that they need to prepare to get really skinny because we have to detox them and the best way to do that is to rid their body of the acids

because acids are the only side of chemistry causing inflammation pain breakdown yada yada right yeah my body's swimming with them clearly almost everybody is but when i get bodybuilders and we do we usually tell them prepare to get really skinny because unfortunately you built your muscles on i say you built it on sand you built a house on sand those muscles are only as good as long as you continue to pump the steroids the norepinephrine the epinephrine the adrenaline of that dead animal into your you're basically shooting steroids people guys like i don't do roids are you do you eat meat then you do but you just think you're doing the right thing for a bodybuilder because that's what they keep telling you so unfortunately we we detox them they get really

thin which is hard for ego these guys freak out i'm gonna lose my muscle yeah but look at the gorilla do you want to be as strong as that motherfucker because i would if i were you where he's the gorilla yeah look at a gorilla he's built all of his muscle the gorilla like a natural gorilla has built his muscles on straight amino acids can you explain sure to people so most people when they say protein they are trying to go for the amino acids which is the nitrogen side of chemistry or what builds structure and so unfortunately now we've kind of told people if you want to build muscle you've got to go eat meat because they think that that's the amino acid heavy side of chemistry

unfortunately that's the when you look at protein from a chemical standpoint that is the complex structure of amino acids the body doesn't like complex it likes simplistic chemistry because it's easier to break down and it's easier to use. So I tell people, well, why wouldn't you just look at the example of the gorilla and eat straight amino acids that your body recognizes and can use and is not an acidic process? And now you wouldn't even have to worry so much about pumping iron every day. How often do you see that gorilla pumping iron? Yet he's still built. Well, they're also in nature there's some differences but the longevity of that muscle mass will outdo any individual who builds their muscle on animal protein

any day even pea protein is the same way same thing thing. And to be clear, you're someone who comes at this, I think you already said this, but I want to reiterate this. Number one, you look at each individual person differently because they have a different set of problems that they're facing. This is not like a one size, here's what you're going to do, one size fits all. And number two, you're not someone who's like, oh, go be a vegan or be a vegetarian you're saying you're focusing on well for one end of it your relationship with food right that's one part of it but then you're more focusing on if people are going way too hard at something pulling back on that lever big time and sometimes it for this example I asked you to lay out this is one where at the beginning you need to pull back totally to kind of shock the system to detox.

Yeah. That's essentially. Yeah. So you mentioned something, well, everyone's going to be different. To a degree, everyone is experiencing something different. But again, we're a species. The main systems of the body have to be repaired, cleansed, strengthened in order for us to have the systems work properly. So we're always going to go after the digestion, the kidneys,

the adrenals, the nervous system, right? We're always going to go after those components on every single person because usually rule of thumb is if you're filled with, let's just say, lymphatic congestion, mucus, whatever, your diet is one thing. But then we have to look at the functionality of those organs and the systems. So let's just say you can be a fruititarian, but you don't ever filter out your kidneys. That's a problem. So changing your diet. How would that happen?

Because just eating fruit doesn't necessarily equal that you're going to pop your kidneys open and they're going to start filtering out. Everyone is at a different state in how well functioning those systems are. You get some people where digestion is completely down you get some people with just one kidney how do you how do we work on someone just one kitty that's a lot harder so we're going to address the system as it's created because it's created the same for every single person unless like i said you are missing a kidney or it got taken out or you you know had bypass yada yada there's there's the same system in every single person because of being a species. However, there's going to be the different states depending on where you've been

lymphatically and so forth. And genetics do kind of take a factor in that as well. Well, what you're getting at too, like we keep talking about the kidneys, but obviously like we have a whole, as you've laid out a little bit, we have a whole digestive tract that happens. And I think at least a mistake I make when I'm thinking about this, and I'm sure a lot of people do, is we constantly focus on like the stomach. You know, how does it feel? Because that's what processes the food when you get in. But then you have a whole system of intestines. You have a whole, you know, there's two different ways you can get rid of shit here.

You can either take a shit or you can piss right? So there's two very very different ways that that we excrete different substances, I guess correct, but another problem that i've heard you speak about is that A lot of people in that second part of the process after the breakdown Regardless of how well or not well that went, I assume in this case it wouldn't have gone well, but they hold on to waste for a very long time. And people will sometimes, this really scared me when you said this with Pomp, people will

have waste in their body sometimes in certain situations. People who may look very healthy on the outside, that has been there for years, meaning there are small, even if it's not big there's small parts that are sitting in their intestines or something that are basically like i liken it in my mind to like a fungus in that way and they're just sitting there and it's a foreign substance that's not supposed to be there that has no nutritional value that then i assume causes all kinds of reverberating effects in the bloodstream at all times. Is that fair to say?

Yes. And it's not only causing those issues, but for example, to your point, that's been acidifying in there for years, and it causes this like tar that just sticks inside the pockets of our intestines, because we have pocketed intestines, and therefore you block all those channels that the intestines, and so that whole digestion, its purpose is to take in nutrients, break it down, then to absorb it, then to send it out for utilization. But the problem is, is let's just say the majority of people, which because of the diets, because of the combination of foods that cancel out digestion, you have individuals that have what this is like a tar that blocks that those pockets from taking in anything and then utilizing it. You keep pouring in chemistry. So you keep eating, but it's not really going anywhere other than through the stool, or hopefully you're filtering out the cellular waste through and the acids to the kidneys.

But you're pouring in like supplements and vitamins and all these different, you know, new fan dangled pre-workout thing. And you're having a really expensive pee because you're not absorbing any of that maybe 10 maybe why aren't you absorbing because you have a malabsorption because that all that acidified shit we were talking about that's just basically blocked the wall these come these companies have no idea these people who make more supplements and more supplements and more things and more protein powders and all this kind of stuff. And people are out there just pounding these away and going, why am I not feeling anything?

Because you're not actually absorbing and utilizing any of it. You're just peeing it out. And so then, but that means you're not, if you're not absorbing and utilizing it, you're not necessarily building muscle at the same clip or something like that. So I've asked one of my clients the other day, I said, how long has it taken you to build what you have? He goes, years. Yeah. I said, that is unfortunate. I took a look at it aside. He's got a malabsorption ring pretty damn thick. You can see that. You can. I said, that's what you got to fix first, dude. Get in there, clean that up. It's not going to be that enjoyable. Do you have a picture of what that looks like? I do. Yeah. Can you give me one of those that i'll put in the corner of the screen for people to look at right now

yeah and so again you can go look in the in the mirror take a little light point it there take a look at it and you'll see and this is why i tell people you can keep pounding the ground and and your head against a wall trying to figure out why am I not putting on muscle? Why am I, you know, not some guys out there who can't even put on weight? These really thin individuals, which I don't, I think lean dudes, that's totally fine. Again, this is choosing an adventure. You may just be a cyclist, lean type of dude. Great.

But what if you're one of those individuals who really wants to put on weight? He's like, I can't. Or a gal, he sees very, very thin women who are like, I can't put on any weight. Take a look at their malabsorption. Take term, but like get past that and then they're able to eat and have a good relationship, but they still find they're brutally skinny and can't put on weight. Is that because their body has basically utilized awful foods in the past just to try to get some nutrients that then causes that mal yeah most likely there's going to have someone with a malabsorption ring in there also too you got to look at the toxic factor or the chemical factor of the body the liver and the gallbladder um oftentimes because of the constant bile need your you know anorexia bulimia stuff like that too much acids that form in the body, it burns up the stomach.

And so therefore, you just chew through your food. So you find actually a lot of anorexics and bulimics have diarrhea issues because they just have a chemical imbalance in the stomach chamber. And you can see that also. You can see if someone has a high acidic stomach or a low acidic stomach. So not enough. You can see that. Yeah. Oh, wow. see if someone has a high acidic stomach or a low acidic stomach so not enough you can see that yeah um and so i just tell people like it look and and guys are like i said some of these individuals

that are really nervous about losing this muscle like you're don't let your ego get in the way your ego is very attached to this muscle i get it you look, but you're full of shit, man. And you're killing yourself trying to put more muscle on. Like, you know, it's, there's no shame in taking that step back, clearing the foundation and then building the house better, building it for longer. And because if not, unfortunately, here's where we get to. You keep pounding that animal protein. You keep pounding the neurologically damaging foods. Don't even talk about just the acidity side of things. Yeah, neurologically damaging. Again, remember, when that animal gets killed, it puts out all of its last chance to live.

Norepinephrine, epinephrine, adrenaline, it gives out all of it because it's trying to live it's trying to defend itself but it's being killed so it's the ultimate stress level that the animal goes through you that goes into the flesh that goes into the tissues that you're eating so a lot of people are like oh i get energy for meat no you absolutely don't you're living off the steroids you're living off that animal's last chance at defending itself i know nothing about this but that doesn't give you energy if it has like adrenaline i would think i'm just my idiot brain thinking that go take roids same thing but it's neurologically damaging but that has to roids have to a lot of them not all of them but a lot of them have to do with water retention right those that's just the kidneys okay kidneys are

what cause water retention that might have been a really dumb thing no it's okay no again this isn't i never did roids this isn't taught none of this is taught unfortunately why but why because the best way to control an individual is to feed them shit so you know something that will break down their willpower give them something that will break down their processing power so neural go after them everywhere energy neurologics all of it control through food is the best way that's what what do you think of our i would say of our food pyramid but i think that's already been largely like people have looked at that and said we fucked that shit up actually can you can you debunk that for people who aren't aware of this and i'll pull i'll put up a picture of i guess yeah that whole thing is is ridiculous what is like the what what I guess like

the government has put out as like health data that is completely ass backwards with respect to the food pyramid all of it almost all of it okay now I'll give you an example doctors can't stand me because I absolutely school them on chemistry. You have a diabetic, whether you're a diabetic two or a one. Okay, twos are just blood sugar metabolism issues. One's when we're actually now we need insulin, right? You got a lot of individuals out there putting diabetics and telling them don't eat fruit, only eat vegetables. Now, that doesn't make any sense chemistry wise, because what's a diabetic dealing with sugar metabolism. So a little bit of adrenal weakness, that's where it starts. That's it. But you first tell them not to eat any fruit, which is what would actually heal them, which actually clean up the body for more stringent chemistry, and it'll electrify the nervous system, adrenals, help them beef up to deal with this sugar metabolism. Now we got them to a type one. Cool.

Now we got them on insulin. And let's really make sure they only eat what? Veggies and protein. Why would you do that? Vegetables and protein. Beg the pancreas for insulin. Why wouldn't you give the pancreas a break? Why wouldn't you give it one thing that doesn't require insulin to get to the cell wall which is fruit so this is where we just got way off

chemistry we got way off the way nature works and we don't know how we're not taught the way the body works but what did what did you just do you created a customer for life yeah because they have to rely they got to keep shooting up the insulin and this just i again they're not taught this so i don't blame them they are doing exactly what they were taught to do they're afraid to put a diabetic on fruit well what if they swing too high okay well don't you can slow that down a little bit how do you respond to it because it's just a natural question you're i'm sure you get all the time but how do you respond to the idea of like oh so you know more than doctors do i didn't see you go to medical school or things like that because to me what you're talking about

you're not talking about sitting there and cutting people open or dealing with exactly diagnosing like, let's say, instantly life and death type situations. You're talking about general patterns that you do diagnose in this way as far as like seeing patterns and how people eat. Like a nutritionist, I would look at it that way, which is different than a doctor. And so I think that's fair. But like, how do you respond to the people who are like, you're not eat like a nutritionist i would look at it that way which is different than a doctor and so i think that's fair but like how do you respond to the people who are like you're not doing something like you're sitting here calling out the medical professionals so to speak as someone who's not those are two different sciences medicine and proper chemistry and physics are two different things this is i i i don't have to have a medical degree because what i know and what i advise on is not medics it's the way the

body is built it's the way the body functions science so i tell people you can you can see and i will absolutely i love working with doctors it piss them off sometimes like for example i got the guy that comes in for the life insurance stuff what is it the whole like you know they do the test your blood pressure make sure you're healthy do you smoke you know to make sure you get your life insurance policy and yada yada so he comes and he takes my my uh blood pressure comes and he takes my blood pressure. And he reads my numbers and we're all good. And I said, well, okay, do my other arm now. He goes, what do you mean?

I said, well, you would do both arms, right? And he goes, well, why? I said, because I have two kidneys and two adrenals. Isn't the top number diastolic and the bottom of their systolic? And that's the adrenals and kidneys and he looked at me like i blew his mind he's like yeah i said you just hate people like that don't you think that if you're trying to get my adrenal function and my kidney function numbers that you would take both my arms because i have two sides of the body and he just could not believe it but it also pissed him off he's like i've never had a single client ask me that. I said, well, that's unfortunate. I

would like to know how my right kidney is doing. Thank you. Am I in right adrenal? And I said, I bet you anything they'll be different. He goes, no, I said, yes, because you always have one side that's more dominant than the other. That's just how it works as balance. Right. And he's and lo and behold, I was right. I didn't put him down. I didn't make fun of him. And I didn't tell him that his schooling was wrong. His schooling is right. Because that's exactly what they taught him. And that's exactly what they tell medical doctors. Medical doctors weren't expected to be scientists. They were expected to be individuals that came in and gave you something to take care of your symptoms. Cool. Now, if you

have a medical doctor out there who really truly wants to heal, then he would learn this side of science or she would learn this side of science. And some of them do. We're seeing more of that. Seeing more of that every day. And that's fantastic. But also we need a certain medical doctors out there that are just prescribing medication because there are people out there who just want medication. They don't want to do the work. And there's some things that probably, you know, there are definitely things that are complex and can only be handled that way. What you're talking about is lifestyle well-being type things. Actually, there is a doctor I worked with who does operate like you do

very much and she i forget i will fuck up the exact term i've been to a lot of doctors the exact term that she has but her specialty was with specific certain specific gi tract problems so she had a much more like laser focus on certain things. So there was stuff that my issues, which stem largely from allergies that are probably exacerbated by some of these food habits I have for sure, which is why this interests me. But my issues don't end up lining up with what she does. So I don't like see her at this point, but you know, I was very drawn to the fact that she was a doctor who was not throwing pills at the problem. She was very into breaking, you know, I had to like track, I had to do a crazy diet of eating like nothing for like 30 days and

track everything, which was some form of a detox, you could say. I had to do the stool samples and all that. And I was like, whoa, you know, it didn't fix my problems because again, like what I was dealing with, but there were certain things like in my other parts of my health where I'm like, wow, that, that feels different. That's probably better right there. And I was relieved that it wasn't just, just you know what is the term you broke it down like medicinal or whatever right you know so there's something to be said for looking at how the how the wheels on the car affect in the drive and that's why i'm i'm drawn to what you do but you know i all in all i my thing is in addition to working on nutrition and stuff like that, this is the gateway to people and some of their beliefs and where their attention is, where their momentum is.

Frankly, if we could get people to just understand the knowledge of the body, you can make a better informed choice even if that informed choice is acidic i would just love for people to know hey here's here's true chemistry and physics go make your decisions from then on but when you make that decision do it with joy just like warren buffett just like the people in the blue zone if you're going to do it fucking do it and be happy about it because most people have the resistance they got a resistance towards this modality this medication this food this what what if we could just look at everything without resistance without a preconceived idea of what it's going to do to you and heal a relationship with our thoughts and our ego, frankly, that would do way more for our health than I could ever help anybody with.

Honestly, I think that's a huge part of it too. You look at the mental side of it and what that does to us. And that speaks to me big time because I know – my relationship with that stuff and how I think about it. And that's probably – I don't want to say half the battle right there, but it's a big piece of the battle right there. So it's something I could reframe because I'd stop having the self-fulfilling prophecies that happen. Because now, like looking at rice, like I'm going to be thinking about mucus every time this is this is that this is the hard part about you know i tell people i said there are some things i wish i never knew because right it it taints you a tiny bit but i'll say this if i know i i like to have more knowledge people say well what you don't know won't hurt you i actually want to know what will hurt me and then i'll know how to make the choice because

sometimes i'm gonna eat that big bowl of rice but i'm gonna know how to counterbalance it go out there drink it up eat it up go ahead don't don't do crazy crazy shoot up stuff like let's be careful on what we're doing here to enjoy okay i'm not condoning too too far of the extremes but go out there enjoy but at least the knowledge of chemistry would let you know okay tomorrow i'm gonna i'm gonna hit some fruit or i'm gonna you know maybe dry fast a little bit i'm gonna do this to my body because i want to have a blast and enjoy but i'm gonna counterbalance it with something like this that's healthy it is what i've this is how i literally outran almost every single person on that trip in ecuador and they're like but we're

the ones eating the meat we're the ones eating all the grains and how are we and i'm like eat some fucking grapes you know because again it's just it's it's when you know you make better choices the intentionality behind everything you put in your body what you're thinking about going back to intention it's's so, so important. Ego, get rid of that shit. And intention, make sure you're not creating any resistance and momentum negatively around stuff and life gets so much better. Where can people follow you on social media

to learn all about this? Yeah, Instagram and my website. So Instagram, show me your set. That's such a great name. I like it. It's fun. I see what you did there. I get to see a lot ofyourset. That's such a great name. I like it. It's fun. I see what you did there. I get to see a lot of sets today.

It's nice. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. And then showmeyourset.com. Show me your set. All right. I'll put those links in the description as well. But this was a wild convo as expected because I got to see your round one with Pomp.

But there's a lot for me to process and think about. And I think a lot of people out there will have opinions, too. So let us know in the comments. But I like what you're doing because you're trying to get to the core of what people put in their mouth. And that is, no matter how people shake it or what they believe with how far that can go, again, like I think that's a huge piece of, you know, let's call it what it is. A lot of the health problems we have in modern day society, which is a very good time to live in. And yet we're seeing things we shouldn't see. So I think a lot of that comes back to habits in this country, and specifically in this country,

and how we eat and stuff. So you're pointing a lot of that out. It's good stuff. Thanks. No, it's been a blast. It's been fun as expected. And yeah, I just really love people. I don't want to help them. And I want all the comments and all the skepticism. Because you know what? This is what it's about. This. I want all the different sides of thoughts.

And yeah, there's going to be theories. There's going to be everyone's opinions. But that's the beauty of our freedom here. So we can do that. So let's bring it. because it's all good. All right. Well, they can find you at ShowMeYourSet. I'll put that link down in the description.

And everybody else, you already know what it is. Give it a thought. Get back to me. Peace.