Julian Dorey Podcast - [VIDEO] - Ancient History’s Most Mysterious Lost Civilization & Human Origins EXPLAINED | Matt LaCroix • 190

Episode Date: March 9, 2024

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What's up guys, if you're on Spotify right now, please follow the show so that you don't miss any future episodes and leave they come to Earth. I don't think this is that way at all. I am probably one of the only researchers that has that opinion. If you learn about ancient Sumerian and the gods that are associated in stories, you find out that there are two very distinctive things.

There are the forces of nature, and they're represented by things like fire and storms, but they're depicted like beings. And it's really easy to be like, oh, so they're all that. Oh, they're all just like forces of nature and things like that. So they're not real. Well. Matt, welcome back, dude.

Been looking forward to this one. We obviously had a six-hour marathon when we talked over the summer and put that out, and that had a lot of different responses to it. Right. But you have researched so many things that there's so much on the bone here. Obviously, you couldn't get it done in a couple podcasts. People have been asking for you back ever since. So here we are. Well, it's great to be back, Julian. love our conversations we had a blast last time we did we did it was a lot of fun and and the night before i had danny

miranda in town as i had recorded with him as well like the day before and he was pretty blown away at dinner when we were all talking and and you were just going through the stuff and just like he's just like sitting back yeah literally he's like holy shit i didn't keep up with this guy but you have brought some arts and crafts again as i say yeah arts and crafts i mean actual real pictures of course there's been a lot that's happened since you and i talked a lot that's happened as in people have found new things uh i have found something very very significant to add on to a lot of our other conversations. So part of, I think, the purpose of this, you could call it, I don't know, part two, part three, depending on how you want to label it, is we're going to be expanding off of a lot of what we talked about, but adding brand new discoveries, things that are even new in the archaeological world, but also new in terms of how they're linked

and what they're part of. And I think when I make the distinction of saying I made a discovery, I'm not in the field there on site yet. And I say yet with a strong emphasis, because that is going to change and we can talk about that. But in the meantime, using every available resource I can you know images of people in the field papers research papers from archaeologists satellite images um diagrams everything possible with the avenues of technology we have available now it makes you could call it um being a remote archaeologist more possible than it's ever been i would agree with that it's you can you can get a lot more information just because of what the interconnectivity we have

for sure so what it means is that it's only going to lead to a greater understanding of what we can i and others that i can discuss in a second can expect when we get on the ground in the field not like i have no idea what I'm about to see. I don't know where I'm going at all. You can still get a pretty good understanding of different sites if you have enough technology available and then get there and then do the real work. Well, you and I had talked about right before we went on camera, the idea that a lot of what we're going to do today, we want it to be able to stand alone as well so that people later can go back and watch the old episodes.

So we might have to summarize a little bit and sort of bring back some of that. Yeah. And there'll be some things that we'll rehash quickly that we've really unpacked last time we were together over the summer. But I did want to start off with what we were talking about right before the jump here, which is this top picture.

So we'll put this in the corner of the screen so that people can see this, but what are we looking at, Matt? So can I give a little background on that first before we jump into that? Yes. After you and I did that last podcast, when was that exactly? It was six months ago or? I think I put them out while I was starting to move. So I put one out right before I moved and then waited three weeks and put the other one out. I think it was end of July. Okay, summer. Yeah, right. Yeah, so we talked like early July, I think.

Since then, maybe a month or two after you and I talked, I was doing some detailed study on one of the ancient sites that I had talked about. And we'll give some more background as we go along and as I was doing study on that site called Kef Temple and we'll talk more about what that means and what the significance of that but when I was reading the archaeological papers from the excavations of that site listen closely that's not just paint rolling on a wall. It's artistry. A master painter carefully applying Benjamin Moore Regal Select eggshell with deftly executed strokes.

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$0 delivery fees on your first three orders. Service fees, exclusions, and terms apply. Instacart, groceries that over-deliver. They had mentioned in it that there was another site that I had never heard of yet that had even finer stonemasonry work, even more advanced than what I was seeing. And I saw the name and I immediately went to search for it. And when I saw this temple, I had what I call a George Smith moment. Okay. George Smith, for a little background. I remember him. He is the father of the first person who cracked the Sumerian code.

He figured out the ancient Sumerian language, which is a language isolate, that had been – basically had disappeared from our collective understanding. Mid-1800s? For over – for thousands of years. Right, but he found it mid-1800s? For over – for thousands of years. Right, but he found it mid-1800s? Yeah, so he – it was found in the Royal Ashurbanipal Library in 1849 by a man named Austin Henry Laird. And he brought all these tablets, 30,000 cuneiform tablets, to George Smith because he was the expert on translating them. Austin Henry Laird didn't know how to translate them. He just found them in the ancient library of Royal Ashurbanipal Library in what was called Nineveh, Iraq.

Today, that'd be known as Mosul. Oh, shit. That was the most – and it's H.G. Wells, the famous writer. He actually called the Ashurbanipal Library the greatest source of historical information ever in history. Really? Yes. That's his quote. Now, what made him say that?

Well, even if we, the general consensus, the general population now hasn't heard of it. There's a number of reasons for that. It's fine. But certain scholars throughout history, certain academics, he was a very smart man. H.G. Wells was a smart dude. Oh, yeah. He was dabbling in some ancient stuff, okay? And he had found, being a writer, he had found the details of this library and realized what was contained in the library. And because he knew that, he then made

that statement. So what was in the library library things like the epic of Gilgamesh the Atrahasis the myth of Adapa Eridu Genesis some of those might not seem like anything or no one's ever some people listening to that might never even heard of those those names right but when George Smith cracked how to how to translate those tablets the first one was Epic of Gilgamesh. He had broken a code that hadn't been broken in over 2,000 years. So if you go to Iraq, let's say 500 years ago or 100 years ago, right? And you go up to someone that's been living there for generations in their family, they would have no idea how to reach Sumerian. This is not like other languages in the world where there's a common ancestral connection where they can kind of figure it out. It was literally alien and unknown.

Who was 2,000 years before? Who was the last person or the last people, I should say, who were around it and could translate it? Well, that's where it gets interesting because we're often told that the Sumerian civilization existed 6,000 years ago and they put this window on that region. But what I've found in this part of the evidence that directly correlates to these discoveries is that there have been three definitive, and I want to make that very clear, three definitive civilizations that have been in that region over the course of thousands of years who have built on top of things, kind of eroded and been destroyed and

then another culture came and built on top of them okay but the the thing that was interesting about when they penn university went into shirupak they will talk about one of these ancient sumerian cities to try to figure out where the city if it was real if it was a myth they found as they dug down they had to go 35 to 40 feet down to get to the original base of that first city and what's the significance of having to go that deep it shows you how ancient and old it is and not only that but it showed they discussed in the papers how there was a 17 foot inundation layer that they found above these ruins showing that there had been a massive catastrophe flood that had laid down this huge amount of sediment mud now the reason i'm trying to tell you all that is just to loop back is that george smith translated the epic of gilgamesh the

first set of tablets ever and the epic of gilgamesh has an original Sumerian version. And he, when he read it and he realized what was in it, he's described that he ran around the room like multiple times, like ran around the room. Okay. Because he had realized he had cracked something huge and significant. Dear heavens, I've got it. Well, but after that point, he mastered how to translate Sumerian and then translated all the other sets of tablets. And what he realized is that it was literally the origin of our most ancient stories. What made him think that though? Well, because he already knew that the Sumerian civilization was the original oldest civilization on earth.

And I'm not arguing that either i just think that there have been three iterations of civilizations there and archaeologists have confused the wrong one with dating and time periods with not understanding that instead of one there's three that have been there and if you're trying to understand what the original one was it can be confusing right how long ago are you saying you may have said this a couple minutes ago i just want right? How long ago are you saying – you may have said this a couple of minutes ago. I just want to follow up. How long ago are you thinking that they are versus how much history thinks it is, 6,000 or something? So, right. History thinks that the Sumerian civilization, which it is true they invented nearly everything like mathematics, agriculture, astronomy.

I agree. But I just think that dating is completely wrong. So instead of being 6,000 years old, I think it's over 20. So what makes you think that? Well, we're going to get into the nature of the stories themselves, what they say, the actual evidence from these new discoveries with bloodlines and these descriptions of what happened and how they seem to be piecing together an origin story from an entire epic that we don't remember anymore ever existed. Imagine for a minute, you know, think about our civilization right now, right?

You have that amazing picture of New York City next to us, that huge one. Imagine a thousand years goes by, 2,000 years, 5,000 years. Long time. 10,000 years. Long time. What would be left of of new york city not much and we've talked about this a little bit in our other show yeah but if you imagine glass metal things like that they erode very quickly things fall apart unless you're building

at a giant stone hard stone like granite or andesite as we're going to talk about it simply doesn't last it won't last the test of time And what that means is it would actually be a lot easier than maybe the average person thinks for an entire epic or a period of hundreds and hundreds of years or thousands of years of us, of a story that we took part in to disappear and then have it be such little amount of evidence left that we almost don't even believe it ever existed so those writings you said were found in 1849 right yes so that is call it 175 years ago give or take right you ever just stop and think about even when you're looking for example something like new york now which is all this big buildings

whatever you ever think about how short that is? That seems like a long time ago. It's nothing. That's not even anything. But it's literally a flick of the finger. I know. And that's actually a great point to make. Think about how far our society has come in, say, 300 years, right? Yeah.

Like most of what we know now in terms of technology and all these things that have happened that have taken us out of our primitive state have happened in those 300 years. Yes. Right? It's an acceleration that is just incredible. Yes. Well, but just imagine what they could accomplish in 10 or 20,000 years. A lot.

You know, even though we're looking at the fact that we've accomplished all of these things in one, two, 300 years, and we're very proud of that, but just imagine what another civilization in other advancements in different ways could achieve in 10 or 20,000 years. look at our own society now and reflect about how easy it would be to achieve tremendous things, but have it disappear and not realize it ever exists in the first place. That's the whole point I'm trying to make though, is that imagine we have this lost epic of our story that is somewhere, you know, between about 13,000 years ago, it ended, right? That's when it was the Younger Dryas, the Ice Age. But imagine that story began 50, maybe 100,000 years ago.

And that our entire understanding of history and our origins and who we are is extremely skewed to the point where we actually have very little understanding of what we truly are in the terms of the cosmos and what we are in this microcosm of the macrocosm being something greater. And that's the point of what these teachings and these discoveries really points towards is our origins and who we really are and what we've forgotten since that point.

And that's what makes it exciting. Getting back to George Smith, he ran around the room, like I said, right? Because he had cracked a code that hadn't been cracked in over 2,000 years. This mysterious lost civilization that he felt because of the nature of how ancient it was in looking around the world and anything else and knowing that cuneiform which means the wedge wedge style of writing into clay or stone was the only way that anything that can be written down could survive more than a thousand years you know we talked about this briefly before but 500 to a thousand years is the max that paper can survive like that buddhist that the cave of a

thousand buddhas with that ancient set of manuscripts and maps, that survived 800 years because it was basically sealed off in a dry environment. But 800 years isn't that long. If you're having a written record to try to understand our past, the only way to do that would be cuneiform. It really is the only form of preserving a message that exists, that we know of. I mean, if we can somehow infuse somehow information into quartz in the future or something, maybe, something where it's like infused within it. But right now with our capabilities, the only way we would able to preserve a message would be not anything we can do now. It'd be like,

it would be more or less looking back at what they did and having to replicate it. So we think about all these things we've done. We probably need to start writing it all down in kinetic form. So if something happens to us, we don't just lose it all and have to start over again, which is exactly what looks like happened. Now, what about dumb question? Probably, but let's, let's go with it what about digital records i mean digital records are only going to survive if you have the technological means like a computer or something to be able to read it also anything that's based on digital is going to have components like metal components or plastic components or something to to make that that

object right to be able to like read something so So you're going to say like, I have these digital records. It's kept on a USB drive. Well, you have to have some way of putting that USB drive into something to look at it, right? Well, how is any of that going to survive? Any component that's metal, it actually is a very short. Is there a way to keep rovers, rovers of some sort in the not-too-distant space that could be accessed later? I think about all the holes in these all the time. Like, just, like, downloading data up there and then keeping it away from Earth so if something happened, it'd be – Sure, exactly. Absolutely.

I mean, that would be one way to do it because if you're in space, you don't have the same types of degradation and things that attack, you know metallic objects and others like on earth you don't have all of those those problems right if you had an object just in a rotation around our planet you could just sit there for very long amounts of time as long as it didn't get hit by like incoming debris from like an object or something right maybe that's what all the aliens are it's all just like matthew mcconaughey and interstellar coming back but they're green well it is interesting it is interesting in that movie um how how matthew mcconaughey goes into that that black hole that type of aspect of our understanding of the universe where time becomes non-linear right and i think that's actually very much what it truly is well that's that's actually been confirmed there's been there have been experiments on that

blew my mind i i didn't realize that i hadn't looked into it but even when we had lawrence krauss in here recently if you're developing an alien spacecraft to come visit the earth for some reason since no one knows we exist beyond 100 light years from now so let's say by accident they stumble upon us they built a spacecraft that spends 99.9999% of its time traveling through space. But they developed something like a flying saucer, which is meant to be aerodynamic in the atmosphere of the Earth, which they didn't even know was there until they get here. But why would they design a spacecraft, a flying saucer, if you wish,

which is not the most effective way of traveling through interstellar space? The laws of physics tell us. Here, here's the thing. He was even talking about it because he was ripping that movie as a physicist he's like i can't even i i can't even watch it because all this he was naming all the stuff but he was like well that they got that right that was real right i was like ah look at that but um i think the the the consensus of what i'm trying to say is that we should put more emphasis on the ancient past and and we need to look at them in a

completely different light and we should stop thinking them as being primitive and cavemen in this way that we've been portrayed through media and growing up and rather look at this time when there was exceedingly excellent humans we'll call them that were here and i think they were very different than we are now very different yes the excellence is is is measured to your point in all different types of ways in what they left behind and yeah and they could be more advanced in some ways and less advanced right and that's that's the thing that we really should remember and having said that i think there's a lot more that we can learn about the ancient civilizations and what they know than what we can learn now with technology.

Can you defend that? Absolutely. Let's do it. Okay. Imagine right now like someone like Elon Musk. Let's say Elon Musk is sitting right next to us and we're like having a conversation. Hey, Elon. Hey, Elon.

How's it going, bud? Imagine Elon Musk is trying to understand space travel and aspects of the nature of reality of the universe, things like that. He's focused on this idea of creating a technological thing to travel from point A to point B or go colonize a planet or something. And I have a lot of respect

for Elon Musk. And you and I have talked about a little bit of that in the past. But what I think Elon Musk is missing, that's like a fundamental understanding of everything, us, the universe, everything is the role that consciousness and energy plays, okay, in the universe. Because if everything is based on this vibrational string theory, quantum mechanics, if it's based on this vibrational string string theory quantum mechanics if it's based on energetic vibrations then it means that the physical world and everything we see is actually manifested as a secondary aspect of reality oh all right back up secondary aspect of reality so if you were to think about what the core of reality is like for instance we can only see um the visible light

spectrum like five colors right or seven colors in the visible light spectrum, like five colors, right? Or seven colors in the visible light spectrum. And that's the same as we see in a rainbow. It makes up a rainbow. The colors you see in a rainbow is literally the visible light spectrum being manifested so we can see it in front of our eyes. However, reality itself is a lot more complex than just the seven colors of visible light spectrum. There's a lot of other aspects that are going on in reality that is not physical. And for instance, how would someone like Elon Musk measure something like love? There's no scientific way to measure something like that. You can't. And how would you measure

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They can. But like, you know, you ever seen those images where they totally showed like the x-rays of two people who are about to make out and it shows the body they can show their color aura they they have the ability to show aura of like an energetic signature of something and they can actually see when it changes yes and there is that ability to show that but the problem is the there's no way to measure consciousness in a way scientifically like Elon Musk wants to. You can't take someone and hook them up to a machine and measure their consciousness because fundamentally we're still taught in school that the brain creates consciousness. That's what we're still taught as a doctrine in school. And if you, Matt LaCroix, were teaching in school, what would you teach people? Well, I would teach people that we are eternal energy beings that live forever and we are

incarnating in different lifetimes that have a certain timestamp based on our mortality that allows us to only experience this reality for a certain amount of time and then bring back that growth that we learn in different lessons into different lifetimes to grow slowly. Are you talking about that on a karmic point or on a multiversional point? Both. Made up those words, but let's go with it. Karma is about the things you've done or not done in a previous lifetime, right? So if you kill someone in a lifetime, you have to make up for that karma in another lifetime, right?

Well, the same thing is true if you do something really good. If you change the lives of thousands of people, right, for a positive reason. And I think that's how karma tends to work is this energetic signature of what we left behind that then allows us to grow from that standpoint. From like, for instance, if you lived an angelic life, I think that that next lifetime will change based on what you experienced in a previous lifetime. So Matt, I think I agree with you. I've talked about this topic on different podcasts, not even with people who think about just when we're having conversations about it.

I am a believer in karma, and it's a part of what you want to put in good so that you also get out good as well. But what is the – are we strictly just talking total theoretical technically right now? Like what's the basis for you thinking that? I've never defended it myself okay well clear what i'm trying to connect and trying to say is that the ancients seem to know this is what we're we started off and then got off where we did yeah but the ancients seem to understand aspects of our reality that we don't fully acknowledge today give you an example the hermetic laws, okay? Hermes was, Hermes Thrice Great was this great sage from Greece, okay? He's a Greek sage.

And he left behind a number of different books. One of them is called the Emerald Tablet. And there's a number of other ones. They're called Hermetic Teachings. And in those Hermetic Teachings, they have the same core as a lot of other teachings with a lot of other ancient civilizations around the world and what i mean by that is one of the like the hermetic they call them hermetic constants because hermes it's not like a normal person he seems to be connected to something higher that was like handing down knowledge but but that's another story. But the point is that they describe

that there are cosmic laws that exist. Cosmic laws, which would then emphasize or point towards some kind of intelligent creator, obviously. These cosmic laws seem to be fundamental laws in the universe that cannot be broken. Cannot be broken. And again, you're saying... Keep going.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So one of them is, as above, so below. Yes. Meaning that everything we see above us in the night sky in the universe is actually represented within our own reality here. So the strive that we have within us developing and reaching higher states of consciousness is like the universe almost becoming self-aware. We seem to be much more deeply connected to the outcome than we've been made to believe. And rather than just being this random evolutionary ape that got smart from eating

a bunch of mushrooms, it really seems like we're something far more powerful and important. But because of that, there's been a lot of interest to hide that nature and to prevent us from understanding that. And that's what these civilizations seem to encompass into the core of their teachings and then passed around the world. But when they were destroyed from catastrophes, the knowledge of what they knew was greatly lost over time. To where we look back and there's a few people that seem to understand it a little bit, but the general consensus is they have no idea any of this really exists or what it means. So even though the Hermetic laws may be well known within some sects of people that study them, who are like mystics and are interested in that,

the majority of the population has no idea they exist. Why is that important? Well, the Hermetic laws are more than just as above, so below. It states that as within, so without, and it tries to explain to us that we truly are the microcosm of the macrocosm of the entire universe. When you look at something like... Michael Munger A microcosm of the macrocosm of the entire universe. When you look at something like... The microcosm of the macrocosm of the entire universe. It means that we're a small little piece. Micro means tiny. We're the small little representation of the entire universe.

When you look at... You get into the comparisons of the golden ratio. You look into the designs of the human eye, a cell in the golden ratio, you look into the designs of like the human eye, a cell in the human body, how it explodes and then transforms into creating life. You see the same exact type of explosion design framework in the universe when a star is born or something is created. It follows the same type of design that's within us, like a cell giving birth and then splitting apart. It seems to be the same type of reflection as out there as here. And the Hermetic laws,

which also echo like the Vedic texts and the Hindu texts, and then getting into the ancient Sumerian and Babylonian texts, and then getting into the ancient Greek, which is Hermetic texts, and then a lot of others as well, like for instance, Gnostic texts. We could get into some ancient Hebrew texts like the Book of Enoch. Mm-hmm. They discuss a reality that's very different than we understand it today. It's like they viewed reality different, if that makes any sense. Imagine if, for instance, Julian Dory closed his eyes and I was able to

describe to him what our reality is like, but he had no memory of what the reality that he thought was ever existed. Like you almost like you were born right now, right? But you're an adult. And I was able to describe it all for you. Tell me how the world is. Right, exactly. You would view reality very different than you did before. But it would also ultimately depend on what I'm teaching you, right, and what I'm telling you. But if I was to try to encompass what the ancient

knowledge around the world of these lost civilizations, not the ones that came in the last 6,000 year window, but the ancient ones. If we were to encompass the teachings of the totality of all of them which is part of what we're going to do you and i taught you that and i was i was as accurate as i could be let's say right and not biased if i could you would view different reality

so different than people that you would walk out and you'd probably like freak out sure i i think this there's even a bigger microcosm example as well like more down granular that that makes your point when you look at the phrase you're a product of your environment where you grow up what it's like who the closest people to you are what your parents are like what they do yeah where where you're where you're growing up within that place you are like if you live in america do you live in iowa or do you live in new jersey if you live in new jersey do you live in in gloucester county or do you live in hudson county everything all the variables continue and continue as it goes down to go like this right and expand and so your reality me growing up in, can be so different than say some of the fans of this show, not even to go overseas right now, just in this country who grew up in Texas or who grew up in Chicago or something like that, that even the stories within one little generation change.

See what I'm saying? Exactly. So when you're looking at it from the concept of, oh, let's go the whole history of the world and the ancients and how it was done, the variables are literally infinite. It's incredible, isn't it? And I think that the conditioning and not always necessarily on purpose, but the conditioning throughout the last several hundred years and how many generations fall into that has led us to a very, we'll call it an interesting mindset that we exist in. Okay. And I find conditioning people. Well,

I think that there's a number of different avenues that it's coming down. For instance, if you just want to look at the education system in the United States, we know that it was designed around World War II by Rockefeller. And it was designed at a time that's very different than it is now, though. They created an educational doctrine so that the average person could get an education that would allow them to work in a factory or wherever at the time was a job that was available. But eventually we got to, after World War II with the GI Bill and everything,

we started to push people to college. Well, we did, except we still taught them the exact same thing in high school that we are now the education doctrine has not changed at all since rockefeller right but did doesn't it make a change when you then add in higher education as a more common trait of of across society of of kids who are getting their education so meaning let's say everything stayed the same and it does change obviously, but you're saying like some of the base ideas of how classrooms are formed and what subjects are taught, things like that. I understand. But once you then, if you keep all that the same, if you add in an entirely new level of education,

which certainly has its problems too, as we see these days, but like once you add that in, aren't you technically changed? Isn't that a a huge change except that every college still has a curriculum to teach yeah give me an example if you go in um if you go into any university and you're like i want to go to a history class right you're not in high school anymore you're in college now i i did the same thing you go into a history class and then you go and then let's say you could be in two places at the same time and you're another history class like another state they would be teaching the exact same thing exactly the same thing it doesn't matter if you go get that higher education you're just becoming i don't want to say a bad term here i guess you're just becoming a

smarter uh a smarter animal. Right. I don't know. I don't want to use a bad term there, but – I see what you're saying. I wouldn't say it's the exact same thing. No, it's not the same thing because, I mean, if you have someone go through high school – If you have someone in high school and they don't get a college degree, of course they're still going to miss out on a wealth of educational aspects.

It's like – because like you have to remember, even the teachers, human beings have their own take on things, their own opinions. I mean, I remember a history teacher I had in high school, Mr. DeFerdinando, shout out DeFerdinando. He was, he had all kinds of wild takes on the world and it affected how he taught. I like that. Well, I wish there was more of him out there. Yes, but I know that, and again, you know, there's some that aren't like that. They're just teaching whatever is in the textbook. But that does exist, and I think it exists a lot more in college and you are a professor of history and you decide you're like, F all that.

I'm just going to go teach whatever I believe based on the evidence. And you start talking about lost civilizations and you start talking about this. How long do you think that professor is going to have his job for? Depends where they are. I would caution or I would challenge anyone to tell me if a professor that actually tried to do that could survive because I don't believe they could. Today, it's a little harder. I think eight years ago, it would have been no problem. Today, it's a little harder. is that our, the point of this whole thing is that our viewpoints are based on all the conditioning and our parents and the influences we've had, the media, all these things, right? And you asked

who's doing it. I think that mindset of being a worker, just someone that has enough to not be stupid, but to be someone who can be a valuable member of society. I think that's the goal. It's just a good worker, someone who's going to get things done and go home to their family and take care of their family, and that's fine. It's a noble thing to do. But what about this whole aspect of what if we knew the truth about our past? What if we knew things that would radically change our entire understanding of who we are now, how far back we've gone, who we really are, like our origins, where we come from, how all this ancient knowledge of reaching states that we've forgotten was seamlessly

passed to them. And they seem to have built temples and pyramids and things around the world that we don't even fully know how to do today, but it seems to be for the purpose largely of reaching these higher states of consciousness. So question, do you think that if you had the unlimited ability to have that knowledge and recognize consciousness as it truly is and be enlightened

right you will right do you think we could live in a world where everyone was equal and happy i think like that like socialism tries to make it i think that the people that are in charge of those decisions know that humanity is not ready yet and whether or not that's based on the fact that we've been groomed to not be ready i still think that it's an interesting thing when you look at the progression of our consciousness and the progression of what's fed to us and what you see it's very telling it's like they're dropping it's like they're injecting little things to be like hey what do you think about this how does that sit with you right because i mean when i think when the truth comes out about a lot of things

like you said like even a fraction of what we like people like me talk about i think that by laying those little seeds down people will not freak out and it'll be a lot more comfortable with the idea i mean look at all the ufo stuff and not not that i'm even a big supporter of of that angle but at least it gets people like thinking and talking about something that's beyond just their little periphery of life i mean i wish people would look up and like remember that we're on a planet that's spilling it spinning a thousand miles an hour that's in a vast universe i feel like too many people forget that it's nice to at least get that and you know what's interesting though my when i start thinking about this stuff too much

my brain plays so many tricks with me because i'm like okay well if if some people don't want people seeing things then why do they push so much of it to us now and it's almost like this never-ending cycle where you can't have it both ways but you want it both ways does that make sense you know what i'm saying it's a little that's a little complex how i put it but you know i do agree the main point that okay we have narrative a narrative a is what we teach we'll teach it over and over that's bullshit i agree yeah and so at some point that's going to collapse and change and it's going to be i think what's going to come as is a reef reform reforming education it'll i think it'll change in the future a lot. And it's going to have to

come though with like a pretty big movement. And right now that doesn't exist. Well, can I bring you back to this? Because we'll get down that rabbit hole forever. That's a good conversation. But I want to come back to this picture we were looking at. Yes. So getting all the way back, because we definitely got down on a tangent there. But since you and I talked and I found this ancient temple as i was saying through images and other archaeologists that have been talking about the stone masonry being some of the finest they've seen in all these aspects when i saw just one photo and i had known already the significance of the symbols and the icons that I saw, I had exactly like that moment

of George Smith. And not that I'm going to compare to his discovery, but I literally ran around the room three times. Okay. I absolutely did because I know, at least in my heart, in my expertise and what I've looked at, the significance of this site. Now the site is called Ionis, and it's called Haldi Temple. And it's part of the new, this mysterious lost civilization I talked about last time called the Ararat civilization. That is not what archaeologists are calling it. Archaeologists believe that this entire set of ancient sites around Lake Van in Eastern, is built by a civilization that came eight to 10 plus thousand years later. They believe that it's built by the Urartian civilization.

Urartian. U-R-A-R-T-I-A-N. The Urartian civilization was interesting because the name itself comes from the word Ur, which is an ancient Sumerian city called the city of Ur. Alessi, could you, do you think you could find some? I don't really even know how to search this, but maybe you'll be able to picture what I'm picturing in my head. Could you search like oldest human tribe civilizations?

Yeah, just search that. I'd love to see like what they say, because you hear some of these like Sumerians, Babylonians. They're always primitive. Yeah yeah they just show something primitive and it's like the mindset is interesting point being what you're how do you say that again ionis ionis but the the other one that starts with a u oh urartian urartian so are they like before all this they came after and they found the ruins and remnants of this civilization they knew their ancestral connections to it. And so they built right on top, just like we see in a lot of other places around the world. But that, when I found Ionis, it changed my entire life,

just to say that really frankly. It changed my entire life to the point where i realized that what was there was so significant that i was going to focus my entire career and my entire life going forward on uncovering the secrets of this civilization yes even more than erudu it's like if i have a good poker hand like we were talking about but i don't know how to hold it back and i just talk about it it's a it's a really good poker hand might be the best poker hand but i want to hold back to say that until we go over and talk about it who did you say originally found this spot so the history behind that let me get a little a little bit of background for that lake fawn is in eastern turkey it's near the armenian border border it used to be armenia before the

turkish genocides um over you know 100 years ago or so that's a really forgotten and that's a horrible thing because what happened is turkey came in and they wanted to claim that land for themselves and it was an ancient armenian place so they basically created a mass genocide and killed a lot of armenian people and it was very sad but they took over that region and made it turkey but it used to be ancient armenia and ancient armenia is one of the oldest places on earth okay now that site called ionis and we'll be putting this intermittently in the corner of the screen for people following along as it comes up we'll put it back up i realized that those discoveries were so significant that i started

my own company called ionis legacy after that site in like august or just about two weeks ago oh two oh this is like okay brand new as my entire focus going forward okay now before we talk about that though i want to give you what you just were asking me about a background the site in 1989 In 1989, there was a professor named Professor Isliki. He's part of the Turkish archaeological, you know, profession, professional archaeologist there. He came along, and I have to give that man a lot of credit if he ever listens to that. He is a great man. He's not part of the cover-up history of the past or any

of these things that have happened because some of these sites were found in 1954 and then nobody ever heard of them again but in 1989 professor is leaky comes along and they're studying this place called ionis and ionis is on the east side of lake vaughan and it's a basically a large hilltop it's beautiful actually that looks right over vast lake vaughan and it faces basically a large hilltop. It's beautiful, actually, that looks right over vast Lake Vaughan, and it faces directly at this massive 13,000-foot mountain called Mount Sufan, an ancient volcano. And it faces directly with the setting sun. It's a solar temple.

It's based on the—they're basically worshiping the sun. It's a sun temple. And their focus is the temple aligns, I believe, to the setting of the sun, whereas the Kef temple on the other side of the lake it's facing is facing the east for the rising sun. So they seem to be sun temples the story that's so fascinating is that when they were at the foot of the hill and they were just trying to find they understand they knew they knew that there was something there they had history of something being there and so they had a lot of strong evidence that something was was at that location but it was buried under massive amounts of debris and sediment simple similar to shurupak and Sumer that we talked about a minute ago

from the ancient Sumerian lineage, which is directly related to this. They found a mountaintop that had all this sediment piled on top of it, but they started to find remnants of mysterious walls and things at the lower part. And what they uncovered was, as they came up, they found an ancient road, like a very, very well-made road. And then when they started excavating, they found these massive basalt megaliths, these walls that were created that are so precise

that it looks like they were almost cut out of like cookie cutters and just the same, like if you were at the beach and you had a bucket and you were making sand castle and you filled that like a, like a castle like bucket design that would make that shape. Right. And you filled it with sand and you put it down and you can make the same thing over and over again.

That's like identical. That's what it looks like. They did. When you look at some of the walls that were, they found as they started going up, um, I honest, it's like how do they

build these like perfect basalt very hard stone walls but what's very obvious and we'll have an image to show hopefully later is that above it had extremely primitive brickwork like very very primitive brickwork to the point where it had eroded so much that you could almost barely even see the bricks anymore. That's the Urartian civilization. They built exclusively with bricks. They didn't build anything with anything but bricks. How do we know that? Because all of the Urartian civilizations are established based on, if you have a culture, they have similar mindsets. They have cultural abilities. Like they can only build things to a certain level of sophistication. Artwork is often a way to represent how advanced a culture is, how beautiful the artwork is, the pottery, the things they build is a reflection of how sophisticated that civilization reaches. The Urartian civilization was a warlike civilization

that was more of a conquering culture. And a lot of the artifacts and the things they had were not only pretty primitive compared to what we're talking about, but they literally don't even match in any way. It would be like you trying to take artifacts from now and then like matching them up to like the colonial era or something. It doesn't make sense. It's like doesn't come from even the same, it doesn't even relate to each other. And interestingly, the archaeological papers

from excavations on each of these sites, the archaeologists have come out very openly without going too far, but to basically point out things like, these symbols don't realign with the Arartian symbols. This seems highly advanced, seems to have emerge out of nowhere um things like well previous archaeologists that laid the framework believe this symbol means this and they it's so hard for them to say it to be like oh well i guess it does they're they're like well it looks just like the tree of life icon let me give an example this site's called ionis calessi for the mainstream name calessi means fortress there's a fortress. That automatically gives the wrong purpose of the site in the first place because they're looking at it through the lens of the Urartian civilization, which was building castles and was warlike. Did they conquer a lot of people? They conquered the region. They had some wars. But the point is, in one of these depictions, it's showing this god Haldi that was part of this creating the civilization and passing all this knowledge.

It's showing him passing a pine cone in his hand. All right, so this is another – Right. This is – what's the term for this thing? This, what I'm describing right now, and we'll put a picture up, is a giant box relief that came from a place called Kef Temple, which is on the opposite side of the lake, as I honest. A box relief? Box relief, meaning that there's nothing inside. It's symbolic, but it's a gigantic three by three by three by four foot basalt box that has some of the most finely intricate carvings of any ancient structure I've ever seen in the world. The symbolism on this is insane.

Unbelievable, right? And we could talk about that until the end of the whole show, but the point is, look at what Haldi's holding in his hand. Pine cone. He's passing the pine cone, and it's coming out of the cup like the ancient chalice. Now, that pine cone looks exactly like the Tree of Life in the lower depiction.

Now, the archaeologists in the actual sites from Kef that found this box relief, they go – and I'm paraphrasing. There's something like – the object that he's passing, Haldi, looks extremely similar to the Tree of Life icon on the box relief. However, other archaeologists have already determined that it's a spear. So, they're looking at it through the lens of this warlike, erratic civilization, and instead of thinking that it's a tree of passing the seeds of

knowledge and showing the tree of life icon, they're looking at it through a warlike empire, and they say it's a spear. Does that look like he's holding a spear in his hand, like a warlike spear? No say it's a spear does that look like he's holding a spear in his hand like a warlike spear no and that's the thing is the archaeologists in the papers are like well it doesn't really look like that but it's supposed to be like that so that's you think that's a spear would you want to step on the foot of giants i mean by giants imagine you are an archaeologist and you've you've spent a lot

of money getting your getting your credentials and you go out to study and you're excited well you've spent a lot of your life probably if you're an typically an archaeologist just to back up is an expert on a certain region they're not just like an archaeologist for the whole world right you'd have an archaeologist that would focus on, say, Turkey, right? Maybe the Anatolia civilization or something. Sure. Well, they would base all of their study on those who came before them. They would be like, well, Mr. Smit or something, highly credited ancient Turkish archaeologists who was like the father behind Turkish archaeology. And he, what a a great man like they laid the foundation they really discussed the urartian civilization and they really mapped out all of this right and they have all this praise and they really look up to these key archaeologists that come before them

do you really think that you're going to come along and disregard and change every theory they had yeah but that's the problem that's what we're looking at if you're dumb enough to look at that and say that's a spear i mean i'm not i'm the farthest thing from an archaeologist and they and that's the problem exactly that look i'm not even maybe it's not a pine cone that ain't a spear though but look at this look at how similar that is to the cypress tree of life they have in the corner you see that now now hold actually hold on one sec let's play devil's advocate okay okay because i i to me that's not what i think when i see this i don't think spear are they trying to say it is the tipped end of an arrow yes without exactly now that's possible but it looks like that but they even mention in the

paper that it's identical to the tree of Life Cyprus that's shown in the depiction. Do you see that? No. And so are you saying the archaeologists concede that this is the Tree of Life Cyprus? Yes. So the Tree of Life – Yeah, that's hard. The depiction of the Tree of Life changes depending on where you are in the region.

They actually pick a Tree of Life based on some kind of tree that's symbolic for them. Cyprus grew in the region, so they use that for their Tree of Life of life whereas like for ancient mesopotamia they didn't use a cedar they had like a willow i think was was their tree of life so that would be a hell of a coincidence because even the design would like the lining down the middle identical it's exactly the same thing damn near identical but if you for a minute realize that clearly that's not a spearhead, okay? Clearly it's not a spearhead. It shows you that the entire framework for how they're viewing these discoveries is completely wrong in my opinion. Why do they have wings?

Wings signifies someone not being human. Wings signifies something like a divine being. Okay. Wings are always shown like on an angel like in even in christianity as like an archangelish like it's like some kind of divine like almost like demi-like human and why are they standing in the same it's not two people it's one so most of what we see in these ancient depictions is symbolic it's not really literal it's a mirror yeah exactly and it's what it's representing is the totality of each side, the totality of all.

So if you have – for instance, even the Holy Roman Empire did this. When they converted to the Holy Roman Empire as a war empire, they chose the Byzantine double eagle, an eagle facing the left and an eagle facing the right, showing the totality of knowing all, basically being aware of all and commanding and controlling over all. But this isn't about war. This is completely nothing related to war in any of these symbols, which is why it's so sad that not only is that location where that box was found called Kef Kalesi, but Ionis is called Ionis Kalesi. Remember, that means fortress. It's ridiculous. Like you're already labeling it with the wrong purpose, with the name itself, which is similar to why,

like for instance, Khufu's pyramid. That's not Khufu. He never had nothing to do with building that pyramid. They never found any evidence that he was buried there. Not only that, but the name, the cartouche name that was found supposedly in the 1800s was a lot of people have looked into and they believe it's complete fabrication. Why do they believe it's fabrication?

Because the individual – and I don't remember the name of the individual off my head, but there was interest in history at that – already at that time being a certain lumped in like a version and it was already being established and there was real problems if it's not kufu's pyramid um because then why were the pyramids built if they had nothing to do with the dynastic pharaohs nothing to do with them put a pin in the pyramids we're going to come back to that but it's the same it's the same thing with this these weren't like these weren't like this is why ancient history this is what history this is what mainstream history tends to do they'll label something either a tomb or often a fortress

and it give me an example Saskia Womann and we're going to talk more about South America but Saskia Womann is a perfect example of that Saskia Womann is some of the largest some of the most precise design of any ancient temple in the world site. And yet they say it was built for fortification.

Where'd you say that was? Sasuke-Waman is in Peru. Okay. Oh, were you showing me that picture? That was Oye-Titombo. It's similar. But the point is, when mainstream history labels these things

as being the wrong function, the wrong person who built it, all of these things, it takes away completely from why it was built, who built it, and the purpose of why it was. And that's very much the problem here. And so when I say I've discovered a civilization, yeah, we're going to have boots on the ground soon, and I'll talk about that. But I've done as much as i can from from the computer you know now it's time to get on the ground and actually and make real claims based on being there we are going to do that but the point is that you're putting a team together yeah so i guess i'll i'll mention that so this discoveries with kev cavis tepe and then especially ionis and we haven't even talked about ionis yet because I truly believe that that site

may change all of history in the future. We look at pilgrimage sites today like Mecca, right? Or Jerusalem, and they're considered very, very sacred places to a lot of religions, right? I think in the future, Ionis will be one of the most sacred sites in the world that will be visited by millions of people because of the implications for the symbols and the teachings and what is contained at that site. Imagine if it is true, and I believe this, that Ionis Temple, and I mean, there are places in Sumer like Eridu and others that are all disintegrated and there's not much left of them. But in terms of an intact place that still exists that you can see, I believe that Ionis is the oldest, maybe the oldest temple on earth. Okay? And that is why...

That's this. Yes. And that is why combined with this and Ionis and Kavis, I created my own company called Ionis Legacy in order to have the means to start a journey with a number of other international experts and people around the world to go to Lake Vaughan, go to these locations and make a film right now that is approaching half a million dollars. Oh, wow.

To go with experts in their fields, in every every angle to be able to come at this from an archaeological adventure standpoint to take all these theories and then go and make a movie and truly show the world what I've found here. Can we walk through this? Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. So, that film is going to be part of experts like such as – I just want to mention Paul Wallace, for instance, is a biblical archdeacon in his past, not any longer. He's now an ancient history researcher. But having someone with a biblical background is important here because we're going to be talking a lot about religious symbols here. And of course, if you're going to make statements that are bold, you need to have someone with a religious background to be able to back those up, right? And that's the goal with this project, is we want to have someone with expertise in every area. For instance, Brian Forrester is involved, who's a megalithic expert, along with

me, so we can help use that academic understanding to prove, well, you say like, well, ionis is built out of what's called andesite, okay? Well, andesite on the Mohs hardness scale, 10 being the hardest diamond, is a 7, meaning it's one of the hardest stones on the planet. So how did any culture possibly create such intricately created symbols in stone like that? It doesn't make any sense. So let's expand more on that site and why it's important. For those who don't, maybe didn't listen to the last show, I study ancient Sumerian connections as almost an obsession. The ancient Sumerian original cities that were lowered in these tablets that discuss.

And the last of those cities is called Shuru Pak. And that's the city we talked about a little bit before in the beginning. That's the city that's supposed to be the last city that existed in this old world long ago before a catastrophe came through and wiped it out. And that's what I believe is the biblical flood. Okay. And that story is what connects this story because the last Sumerian king was what became the biblical Noah, but he wasn't Noah at all. His original name was Untapishtim or Zayasudra, okay? He was a priest and a king who was part of an ancient lineage back to the original Sumerians,

okay? And what kind of year area are we talking about here? We're talking about well over 20,000 years ago. Yeah. We're going way, way, way back. We need to like clean the slate just start over again oh yeah way before that now imagine just like the we get the biblical narrative that tells us about noah and the story that kind of gets silly which is like not to a very animal very kind or anything that's not how it's written the original story from the flood and the biblical story comes from a set of

four different, totally different sets of tablets from the Sumerian, Babylonian, and Assyrian civilizations. So imagine a story that was so important. It was like one of our benchmarks that made us who we are and all these things came out of that. Imagine civilizations, that story is so important that even thousands of years later the other civilizations that come along write the same story to carry it on over and over and over again imagine you find not only the later versions but the original version do we have anything archaeologically that can back that up though we do now we do we do now Because I have to – I mean, before we go to that, though, I have to be fair and give the same criticism I give of all the Bible stuff. Absolutely.

And again, there are some things that are absolutely supported by archaeology and stuff like that, but humans change stories, right? stories right and they may change in small ways but if you play whisper down the lane with 20 people and tell a story in someone's ear by the time it gets to the 20th person it's you know 85 what it was at the beginning totally understand but now imagine though if you have sets of ancient tablets cuneiform tablets from these civilizations and they were all in the same place because of a man named asher bonaparte who's an ancient king and priest that went out and amassed them into that library we discussed, right? Brought them all together. That's how we found them. But imagine if all those tablets describe a story and they all have the same parallels to the story.

So then you say, okay, so there's some credibility there with that story, right? See all the parallels. You take and you cross-reference every single parallel and then put it together. There's your story, right? You say like, well, this is,

this is crossing over to this. They align. You take all their multiple avenues that align to that's how you start formulating what it might be. But like you said, that's not enough archeological evidence to prove a timeframe. Take that, take the Kings lists that they had,

the Sumerian King list, the Uruk list of kings and sages, the Barocious king list. Then you take the Egyptian kings list from the Turin list of kings from Egypt. And you go to that as well as some of the ancient biblical texts like the book of Enoch and you get these weird correlations. They all talk about like these ancient lineages of kings that ruled for a long time, right? And how long they lived for. And if you can take that for a moment in a grain of salt and say, well, I don't know if I trust this one, but what if you take all of them and you combine them together just like that?

You take the ages, you take the reigns, you take the locations, and you get a together just like that you take the ages you take the rains you take the locations and you get a certain time period right you get something that's like over 50 000 years old and it's like if at first you like totally reject you're like no way that's that's got to be something wrong with that right that's where we were that's where we were before because the problem is you can't date stone so you get all these giant megaliths around the world and like people like graham hancock and randall and others you know we're coming along we're like well i think i believe based on the evidence that these were built far longer and are a lot older than we're told right but how long ago see that's where it gets challenging

because how do you date if you have no organic matter? You use catastrophes. How does that help you date? You use catastrophes to date time periods. For instance, you can take ice cores. Let me give you an example. You can take ice cores like, say, from Greenland, and you get a snapshot of 20,000 years max

because the Greenland ice sheet isn't necessarily, most of it isn't older than that. So you get about a 20,000 year window, which is pretty awesome, right? If you go to Antarctica, you can get a 500,000 year window because the ice there is a lot more ancient. Okay, what do you do with that? Well, let's say you just,

for the purposes of being smaller, let's not try to get as big as the Antarctic ones, but let's just take the Greenland ice cores for a minute. You can look at that ice core and look at where there are bubbles and areas of like ash and things that have accumulated within that ice, and it gives you a snapshot of what happened in the past. It's like a little – it's a little viewpoint on what happened on the earth at that time some of these ice cores like i said you'll have a layer where you might have some microscopic ash that's accumulated all in a certain spot or um extreme warming and the way you would tell that is you would see bubbles of carbon dioxide and carbon dioxide is always the precursor to a warming climate always that's what you see in ice cores around the world is that carbon dioxide is always the precursor to a warming climate, always. That's what you see in ice cores around the world is that carbon dioxide levels always spike before temperatures do on the planet, showing us that it likely has nothing to do with human activity at all because if you look at historical time periods,

you get massive volcanoes going off, methane melting from permafrost. You already have the means to create catastrophic warming in those types of ways, right? Well, when we look at those ice cores, we find that there is a cyclical nature to the climate of Earth. Cyclical. It goes through these very, very defined periods where it goes warm, and then it goes really cold for a while and then you get this inter interglacial period which means in between the glacials periods and you get catastrophes nearly every time randall talks about this all the time randall carlson you look at if something for instance you look at the megafauna graveyards across the northern hemisphere in alaska and siberia

and you can see millions of mammoths froze to death and died like instantly out of nowhere, right? So you take those things and then you say something like, well, what are the tablets talking about? They're talking about some kind of a massive event, massive event, not regionalized though, because also, wait, this culture in South America or Mexico is talking about it too. Or how about like there's more than a thousand stories in ancient cultures around the world even indigenous cultures that aren't like advanced of ancient floods but not in the nature of like a it rains a lot and something comes through their area of ancestral stories not from their memory. Ancestral stories from long ago of events that almost wiped us out so we weren't here anymore.

That's the kind of things we're talking about, okay? So for a minute, take out the little stuff. Not the little events like the medieval warming, right? If you look at ice cores, you'll see that during medieval periods, there was actually a series of years that were warmer than we are now. During medieval times. It's called the medieval warming. When was that approximately? That was, what is that, 400 years ago or something?

I don't know right off my head. I'd have to look at that. Yeah, can you look that up, Alessi? Medieval warming? Now, what people don't know is that there is a period called the younger dryas, but there's also an older dryas and then an oldest dryas. Oh, they call them all the same thing? Right. And what it means is that when the Earth went through

its interglacial cycle on the last time... By the way, 950 to 1250. Okay, yeah, a little older than I thought. Okay, a little older than I thought. Now, imagine... What was I just saying? I lost my train of thought there. When the Earth was at something at the same time. I was looking at the screen. Imagine you take these time periods of interglacial and you recognize that interglacial periods come with disasters, right?

You're a climate scientist. You look at how when you – the period of when the glacier the glaciers start receding and then you get this period where we get into a warmer time which right now it's called the halocene okay that period of time which is about 1500 years on average when we look at ice cores you get catastrophes across the earth not for a consistent 1500 but like maybe every couple hundred years or especially like a big one on the front end and then a very big one on the back end right events now imagine that there have been more than one of those though and we know that because when solon traveled down traveled down to talk to um the temple priests of saith that we talked about in egypt we told about the story of atlantis remember they say you greeks remember one deluge only

so long he's talking they're talking to but there have been many primarily of fire and water yes right so they're talking about how there have been events with like volcanoes and plate maybe plates maybe moving with all this stuff and also tsunamis and floods let's for a minute just disregard a regional event. I understand scientists and academics are like, well, in their world back then, they only knew a certain area. So for them, if an event occurred, it was worldwide because their viewpoint was small, right? That's the argument. What if that's not true? What if there have been catastrophes on the earth that have affected the earth in different ways?

Okay. Not like annihilating life all over the planet or anything, but affecting the earth in different ways. And some of the areas that got affected extremely significantly were the areas that these lost civilizations were living. And are those areas that were significantly affected very often underwater now? Underwater or they've had massive tectonic changes. Let me give you an example. Outside of Ollantaytambo and Saskewaman.

Outside of Saskewaman and Ollantaytambo we find these very very bizarre ruins of staircases carved into these massive, massive rocks. Watch the camera there. Massive, massive amounts of rock, okay?

And the stairs are upside down, okay? The rock that they built on in these boulders outside of Oyetitambo and Saskia, Oman is like hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of tons. OK. And I'm not saying they move the stone. What I'm trying to say is the staircase is upside down on it. OK. It looks like that massive stone as big as like this building was toppled. OK. If that makes sense.

Was like literally thrown upside down and now the staircase is on the wrong side. What kind of catastrophe or tsunami could move like a 200-ton rock and flip it like nothing? That's the kind of catastrophes we're talking about. Yeah, something wicked. Civilizations like Lake Titicaca that we're going to talk about that are over 12 000 feet

had tsunamis high enough i believe to wipe them all out okay so imagine was that tsunami caused could it could and i don't know how far back you're going with these could it be caused by something like asteroid impact that or massive tectonic shifts from like uh magnetic disruptions too okay all right real quick i gotta go to the bathroom okay we'll be right back all right we're back go ahead matt so when we when we talk about these massive tectonic shifts or impacts like we had referred to before, there's a number of different catalysts that can create these earth catastrophes. Now, the reason why it seems so foreign to us is that we've never over the last 500 to 1,000 years are very insignificant compared – even like – I mean look, we've had tsunamis in – what was that, 2001 or – I can't remember the exact date or six where – In one spot, yeah. Right, in Indonesia and parts of that where thousands of people died and that was a horrible tragedy.

But that was an isolated situation. Imagine if you have tsunamis going across like entire parts of the world different regions not not everything was was impacted the same the same way obviously life wouldn't be here but some areas were absolutely devastated and these discoveries in eastern turkey are showing just that places like kef temple where that box relief we were discussing were found and ionis were buried and literally strewn and almost destroyed by something so significantly where they almost destroyed they were even buried to the point where sometimes the urartian civilization didn't even

find them so deep deep right and very deep and some of them they did and other ones they didn't and they built on top of them but the point is is, what I'm trying to say is, when you map out these catastrophes according to ice cores, and you can find geologic evidence on Earth like the black matte layer that Randall Carlson talks about from Younger Dryas, some kind of a massive forest fire impact layer, you can see literally like a black layer in the same spot in a lot of parts of the world from that specific event so that's how you can sort of correlate and figure out histories you can actually take those pieces right in this case we have a set of tablets that talks about a great flood i mean to the point where it's similar to destroying the old world though like destroying it and according to the tablets the land near mount ararat and the suns if the tablets state that the suns mysteriously disappeared in the world that we don't know what happened to them it only talks about the the noah figure as being and i can i can give you a quote here let me just let me just

read this really i think people are going to love this but noah is who you were referring to as i know yeah other stories here here's a quote from a tablet an ancient set of sumerian tablet called the myth of adapa okay is this available online these are all available online the problem the problem is that you have to find the right translation so we're gonna we can read some myth of adapa and then also the other tablet is called Erudigenesis. That's a good question. How do we know that? And I think about this. Forget Sumerian and stuff.

I think about this with regular languages when we're on social media scrolling these days. How do we know the translations are right? So that's one of the things that I've studied very extensively, and I do have a lot of opinions about certain translators and people that have done that. And I don't want to throw out some names because I don't want to alienate anybody, but I will just say that the best translators in my mind in the world, cross-referencing with their credentials, and then basically, for instance, if George Smith translated something and then someone else comes along 50 years later, do they agree? Do they have the same type of agreement after all that time's gone by is there disagreements and how something is is you know what i mean and those experts in

my opinion there are three of them top ones and that would be george smith from the 1800s and then samuel e kramer and then stephanie dally why are they right well are, in my opinion, the best academics that have studied how to translate these texts in the most comprehensive way. They are what's called Assyriologists, and the name is misleading because they deal with Sumerian as well. It's not just Assyrian, but there are other translators that have no experience that have tried to do it, and I find their translations very inaccurate. It's very hard for me to think about it and i can't discredit or credit anyone in a way because do we know how many people well first of all george smith figured out how to translate it what was that again no one had translated in 2000 years and then he crossed No, well, he cross-referenced what he did was he was able to take similar meanings in the later iterations of what came out of that region.

Like, give me an example. Assyrian has its own language. They write in Cuneiform, but it's not Sumerian. It's an Assyrian language. Babylonian has that too, right? They're cuneiform, but they're a different language. But they share some similarities in regional understandings of what some things are. So if you take, for instance, an Assyrian version of a Sumerian tablet and you see the

crossover, you can start to figure it out. Because if you know, like, okay, well, this is the, like, for instance, give me an example. There's an original Sumerian Enuma Elish version, but there's also a Babylonian Enuma Elish. They're a set of tablets. The Babylonian Enuma Elish has these interesting changes made to it based on who was ruling at that time, making him seem more superior in some ways. And you can see these slight little iterations and changes in some versions, but the core of the stories always remained in all of the versions. And he's got smart enough to realize that he kind of backtracked. That's how he was able to try to associate things that

were related, but not necessarily the same thing. And he had to – it was a very slow and painful process. And it took him 25 years to crack the Sumerian code. 25 years. That's why I told you when he was running around the room after he figured out the Epic of Gilgamesh, he had cracked a code that he was confident that he had figured it out. He was a very smart guy. Now, in, I want to just read a tiny little passage here, very short, just because it relates to what we're talking about. But at the end of what's called Eridu Genesis, and Eridu was the first city supposedly ever created, and then it was wiped out

and then this civilization emerged. The one in Iraq that we talked about. And what it says at the end of the tablets is very interesting because it describes the noah figure as a lot more significant than we've been told in this according to the sumerians he was um like a patron like a patron of humanity because it says that right here what do you mean a patron of humanity? Let me explain it. It says, Zayasudra, the Noah figure. Yes, no. It says, Zayasudra prostrated himself before on an Enlil. So, he's like Anuna gods, right? And they granted him life like a god. They brought down to him eternal life. At that time, because of preserving the animals and seed of mankind,

they settled him overseas in the land of Delmun, where the sun rises. Which is like Saudi Arabia. Which is interesting that we have those cross comparisons in Saudi Arabia back to this, right? The point I'm trying to make is, it says he preserved the seed of mankind.

He alone preserved an ancient bloodline it states that it wasn't like there was no other humans on the planet but there was a specific bloodline which is what maybe relates to why there's a lot of that controversy and uh in interest in secret societies and certain groups throughout history is that there was a certain bloodline that came out of sumer that supposedly had these gifts of the gods and that noah the figure of noah that i just read zayasudra was the last of this line this like divine line of these sumerian kings that had this connection to like demigods almost it's what they were basically were okay and it's described that in in this tablet that i just read to you it says and and i and i i want to this is

like absolutely it's mind-blowing to think about it says that basically the gods of heaven, of earth, took an oath to not warn any of the humans to create a catastrophe to wipe out the seed of humanity. They literally wanted to wipe us out. And it says right here, and I quote right here, it says that, A decision that the seed of mankind is to be destroyed had been made. The verdict, the word of the divine assembly cannot be revoked. The order announced by An and Enlil cannot be overturned. Their kingship, their term has been cut off. Their heart should be rested now.

Now, and how old was that? That is one of the oldest tablets in humanity. That was called the Eridu Genesis that was found in the Ashurbanipal Library in 1849 that was part of these original core ancient teachings that were handed down, descriptions of what this ancient time that we have long since forgotten what it described as, right? And how did we date the Ashurbanipal library again? Well, we can date Ashurbanipal because we do know when he lived. So we know Ashurbanipal lived somewhere around like 2,500 years ago or so, right? Somewhere around there. And it depends because some of those dates are a little bit off if we want to look at

that, but that's the time period he was living was living in um 2500 to 3000 years ago now he asher bonaparte amassed that library and he describes in when he was he did he left some things behind where he talked about his empire and his rule and in things that he's done and he mentions how those tablets were already ancient before they went to seek them out in a massive library. So he's like 3,000, right? 3,000, 3,000 plus years old. And he's already mentioning that these tablets are so ancient that he happens to know about them because he's a king and a priest and he's part of that bloodline that survived from those original Sumerians. And they discuss how they're like divinely chosen to rule

and all these different things, okay? What a point is on how it connects to all these discoveries is that those tablets tell us a story about what happened, but we had no evidence to back any of it up. That's how this basically unfolded. And when I discovered these sites around Lake Vaughan and then found, like we mentioned before, like at Cavus had an ancient king list that literally says directly,

King Hyke, a descendant of Japeth, you know, built this incredible temple, right? There's actual translations from that. And they actually state they are direct descendants of noah okay in the in the translations of these ancient sites but not only that the megalithic blocks the design they have for these temples should not exist there's nothing why not there's nothing around it like it if you have a civilization that builds a bunch of megaliths like i mean example like peru if you go down to peru you go to like Cusco and you go to Saskatchewan and Ollantaytambo, all those ancient sites are in a region.

There's a bunch of them, right? They're all in this region. They're all part of like this emergence of an incredible civilization. But you can't just have that somewhere with no reason. You can't have a hunter-gatherer civilization build that. They don't know how to do it. They don't have the tools to do it.

Meaning that that shouldn't have a hunter gather a civilization, build that. They don't know how to do it. They don't have the tools to do it. Meaning that that shouldn't have existed where it is based on conventional thinking. It was like an anomaly. And I noticed that right away being a megalithic nerd. I'm like, I've never seen those walls, those stones before. Where is that? And that's how I fell into this was very much by accident and i realized the scope of how big it was getting now ionis was like the icing on the cake because ionis is where that's just reminders back to this yeah yeah and and i was telling the story about it

remember i told you about those incredible megalithic walls they built as they were going up. Well, that was 1989. It took them 30 years to reach the temple. 30 years. Yeah, this is down there. So imagine that they find these walls that are highly sophisticated and incredible, and they're working their way up, and they get to the top of the hill, and then they find where they think the temple is, but they have to go down 20 plus feet. And then they eventually discover the remnants of a destroyed temple.

And I've seen all the photographs of when they first found it. It was literally in ruins, destroyed. And they intricately pieced it back together over the course of five years. Five years it took them to put that temple back together and they did it in a beautiful beautiful way like it is stunning but that stone that you're seeing it at that temple is called again I said it's andesite right why is that big deal well blame that please andesite is one of the hardest stones on earth when we look at megalithic structures around the world that are mysterious, whether or not it's Peru or it's Bolivia or Egypt, a lot of the megaliths

around the world don't have any symbols carved into them. Most of them don't. Now, there are a few places that do. For instance, Pumapunku in Tiwanaku in Bolivia does, and Lake Vaughan does. And what's unusual about that is they share almost the exact same similarities. They both build with andesite. Almost no other place around the world built with andesite. Both locations seem to be mimicking each other. And that's what got my attention, as I started to be like, wait a minute.

What if Lake Vaughn in the era of civilization is some kind of an origin point? What if it's an origin point for this mysterious lost chapter in our history that we don't really understand? You know, what if it's the origin point behind the great pyramids of Giza, all the great temples around the world? What if it came from this? imagine if something was lowered that had never been lowered before and i can say that confidently because when we look at the original sumerian cities they specified to them and they actually did it on purpose they talked about in the tablets it actually says laying bricks in pure spots like all all throughout the tablets so like brick was very

much intentional on their part like for instance the legend of Atana says right here, it says the Igigi founded its brickwork in pure spots. The Sumerian civilization was only building with building. But that civilization didn't. They built with these giant stones, only two types of stone. They built with basalt and andesite. What was the stone we discussed last time? Was that a cavistepi? That was the basalt, the cavistepi. Yes. Very similar.

Very hard. Very similar. Actually, that site is a combination of the two stones. But the point I'm trying to make is that stone is so hard that it proves the age in itself because – How? Well, number one, it shows evidence of an absolute catastrophe that was buried in ancient below all these layers, like the Arartian civilizations above it, right? So you get that differential time period but what you also get is you get the fact that if you had a culture that that was going to carve an andesite they would have a certain level of technological

sophistication to do so because you can't you cannot manipulate a stone that is harder than the tool you're working with it just doesn't work it doesn't do anything like if you go take a piece of plastic and go take a piece of granite you can't do anything you can do whatever you want it's not going to do anything, right? So they had to have something. They had to have had highly sophisticated advanced tools to be able to create these. And I would go as far to say that something like that basalt box relief that we're looking at right now from Kef Temple. What was this made out of again?

Basalt. Basalt. Again, that's a six on the hardness scales right below andesite yeah unless I mean I think you know this but we're just

we're basically switching between these two right now just for your own notes here now what I'm trying to say is look at that box relief for a minute I don't believe

based on what I know about stonemasonry and from the people I've talked to that actually have experience in that they've've told me too, is I don't believe that we could create this box relief by hand today. Today, you don't think we could do that? Not by hand. Maybe with like one of those types of computers that it's almost like a 3D printer where it goes in and cuts it out.

Maybe. Are you saying – I'll bet we could do that. Well, I'll give you an example of how I don't think we could. With the computer? Well, no, no, no. With – by hand. Right, right. But are you saying that maybe – I might be way off base here, but maybe this is –

I'm not saying they created with computers. No. Okay. I think that they were using – You're about to send me real excited. I think they were using technology that we don't understand it's been discussed often that the evidence that is shown in different parts of Peru

and Bolivia and other places the stone masonry looks like it was partially melted now whether or not that was from an event on earth or it's part of their mechanism for creating them if you were going to put some of those polygonal stones together like an Oye Tatambo or a Sac sax giggle mon in the way oi tatambo or sax sax giggle mon in peru if you

were going to put them together sorry repeating a couple no worries i just got to make sure but if you if you look at those stones and how they're put together you can't even put a razor blade or a piece of paper through them they're put together in such a way where they're like blocks of like like legos almost but they're perfect how would you be able to do that you couldn't do that by hand carving because you wouldn't be able to get those those perfect edges to line up what if you heated the stone though and made it like somewhat loose moldable put it in a place and then let it harden that's more like what it's looking like they made it like building these giant walls and these different things how would they have done that have you ever played with a magnifying glass you ever when i was a kid yeah you ever that kid

well i was proficient enough well i was i was proficient enough though that i actually would do cool stuff people i would had interesting ways of making making money when i was young but i was like uh eight years old and i got really good at that and i realized that you could take like a piece of wood and you could literally like write a name or draw something by burning burning through the magnifying glass so i would like sell people kids names like burned into and i like actually start a couple little fires too because you can literally do that no not little ones but the point is though the sun is powerful and it's especially powerful if you can focus it. Some of the theories are that in order to melt them,

they somehow put a lens on them and heated them to reach a certain temperature. I've seen theories on that. I've seen even some scientific experiments where people have taken a large lens and focused sunlight and it gets insanely hot. Insanely hot, okay?, but it still doesn't make sense for how they were able to carve these things though. That only explains how they could maybe

mold stones and put them in place. So they're perfect. Right. But that doesn't explain how you could carve them. That doesn't, that doesn't really make other than the fact that to do that kind of work with that kind of quality i've talked to a lot of stone masonry uh experts and they look at sites like this and they look at pumapunku which is why the comparisons are pretty wild there and they say they would have to use diamond diamond tip tools like laser diamond tipped diamond laser diamond tip type of like for instance the diamond tip what does that mean well so if you have a saw to cut through they actually, diamond tip type of like, for instance, the diamond tip. What does that mean? Well, so if you have a saw, to cut through, they actually have diamond tip saws so you can cut through solid rock. They use diamond on the edge of the blade.

So it's like the hardest material possible and you can actually go through something. Also versus using some kind of a laser. Now, interesting, like lasers, I mean, could you create some kind of a laser-like technology with the sun if you focused it? Again, that's not in my wheelhouse. I'm not a physicist. But I can tell you that the means for which they created these is totally bizarre and unknown.

And that's important because my theory is that this location around Lake Vaughan in relation to the ancient Sumerian kings, the last of them landing there, and the bloodlines descendants of them, and how the biblical accounts already show them going around the world and being important, that something happened at Lake Vaughan with the Ararat civilization that I don't believe has ever happened, ever happened before in that way. Remember, I talked about the Sumerians, they built these cities and they had a catastrophe that came on, they wiped them out, right? But they didn't understand how to build megaliths. They weren't building any megaliths or anything like that. That knowledge didn't exist yet, which means that if you see like sites like this and they

have that connection, all of a sudden you see giant integrally carved basalt and andesite stones and temples that are highly sophisticated like my theory is that that knowledge was passed down at that site for how to do it for how to create it and do it in the twin i I think that it was over 20,000 years ago. On what basis? When you're looking at the Younger Dryas disasters, you find quickly. Younger Dryas for people out there. Younger Dryas, end of the last ice age, 13,000 years ago.

The problem is that that site doesn't make sense because it has all the characteristics of the lost civilizations we see around the world. Highly sophisticated, amazing stuff they created. We don't know how they did it, right? Hard stone, all these things. There's like telltale signs around the world for that type of thing. We know that. We call them the lost civilizations. But here, here, it seems that the designs that they built into the sites, then we could find them everywhere else after.

And the symbols that they carved into them then made their way all around the world. Okay? But in a way where they're not all together anywhere like they are here. Imagine civilizations around the world all having pieces of like how to higher states of consciousness and energy, and they know all that. But they portray it in slightly different ways, right? But imagine finding a place where it's all together in one, in a way where it's in its pure form, it seems like. what blew my mind, the reason I ran around the room when I found Ionis is because very well displayed in the very center above an altarpiece carved into andesite is the depiction that I believe may be the very first cross in all of history. Okay. Now, for those who want to know

what that specific type of cross is, that cross is later known as the Knight's Templar Cross or the Knight's Cross or the Red Cross. Now, can we pull up a couple images on there while we're talking? First thing, I just want to, when we look at Ionis and look at the specific cross that's at Ionis, okay? Look at how it looks, Julian, okay? See how it looks like the edges are all equal, and it almost forms what looks like the symbol of the sun there on that, but it's slightly different. That type of cross that we see that came out of Ionis, we then find at the core of some of the most highly established and most powerful religious groups in the world. Now, what we're looking at right now is what's called the Knights

Templar Cross, which is identical to the cross at Ionis. And we also find that same cross in some of the, in Ashurbanipal's lineages with another ancient king that ruled during the time of Ashurbanipal called Shemsi. And Shemsi showed the same exact cross on his person thousands of years later in that region as part of the Assyrian civilization. Now, it gets deeper. That same cross, that specific, exactly that same cross, we then find across the world in Bolivia at Lake Titicaca. I don't have an image in front of me for that, but you'll have it in your – you can pull up over there. Yeah, is that the same symbol, the cross symbol at Lake Titicaca as well as the Chicana symbol from this match up identically. And to expand even further, you can look at Pope Francis or all the popes that have come before him, and you look at their wardrobe, and the exact same cross is the primary cross shown

with all the popes, okay? Different than the Christian cross that's something yeah we're going to talk about but this is you know what there there you go there's the cross at pumapunku um at lake titicaca across the world and that one's a different look than what we're looking at slightly different but it's got the same three indentations of the the teachings of three the what we haven't gotten into that yet there are these core teaching principles that this civilization knew that then passed its way around the world okay and it's this idea of three that we our totality what we exist in is we exist in a totality of three things three primary things religion called it the father the son the holy ghost, spirituality more of like our side, we call it the mind, the body,

and the soul, okay? But there's another aspect as well, and it's this aspect of energy. And they believe that because we have a defined masculine and feminine energy, okay? And that's what this is right here. Because we have two sides that if we can balance the two hemispheres of our left and right brain, our masculine and feminine energy, we unlock a key. A key unlocks something that is not hidden. It has become hidden now. But back in this – when this civilization was learning this, they were like teaching us and this is called the triptych doorway. These three doorways with a central doorway in the middle on how to basically achieve higher states of consciousness and what it means is i just want to add this go ahead if you balance the left and the right sides the hemispheres the

energies it doesn't matter they're they're all related right your left brain is usually masculine your right brain is feminine same thing it's just part of our totality what we exist in what they're saying in this and why is um florida lee symbol is pointing to this florida lee's killing me hearing that well i'm telling you that that symbol goes back a lot further than france yeah yeah okay i i get the connotation well you can see around his helmet and his hat right i just remember from the movieidential. So what they're saying is if you can balance the left and right sides, these other totalities will be exist in like the mind, the body, right? You can unlock the higher consciousness or spirit. Now in Hindu religions, they call it the Kundalini energy and it has to do with our spine and

how energy can unlock to reach like these Buddha-like states. Now, the Rod of Asclepius or the Wings of Hermes shows that that rod with the energy spiraling up with wings at the top. It's the same thing as this. That's what they're trying to say in this box relief from Kev Temple. Is some of what you're saying about the takeaway here or is all of this your takeaway building on top of it or are you also including other experts who have worked with this? Yeah, so I brought in a lot of other experts because I was – this was my theory in finding these because a lot of these discoveries are very new. Who did you bring in? I brought in Paul Wallace to confirm with me. We spent like a whole weekend actually hiking. I came to Colorado. And who's he? Paul Wallace is an anomaly in our field, okay? Paul Wallace is one of, if not the only, ancient researcher speakers that speaks what we talk about, who actually has a fundamental,

significant background in the ministry. He was an archdeacon, which is one of the highest levels. Oh, you talked about this guy earlier. I'm sorry. So Paul Wallace, I brought in to confirm, be like, look, Paul, I'm making all these like huge accusation, not accusations, but statements, right? About these symbols being religious context being the first, like, I need you to look at this and tell me if I have any holes. Tell me if you disagree or if something doesn't make sense. And you know what Paul said to me?

What did he say? He looks at it all, takes his time, you know? That's what he does. He's careful. Like a half hour. No, well, I mean, I... I'm fucking with you, dude. We had actually talked online and then when he came, we spent a lot of time discussing in person. And what he told me is this. He says, we spent a lot of time discussing in person. And what he told me is this.

He says, I spent a lot of time looking at what you sent me and looking over the cross and the history of what I know. And he says, the thing about it is just looking at Ionis and looking at that cross, he's like, just purely academically, I can't say it's not. But just in terms of what I feel, it's like just purely academically i can't say it's not but just in terms of what i feel it's like i know it is so there's something special about this site but he's going on feel there no he's looked at all the images all the stuff that depicting it and seeing it he's adding another layer to it and it's a layer that i'm trying to explain as well, is that my life has gotten somewhat strange since these discoveries. It's kind of weird dreams, things that have been happening that are hard to explain. Let me just put it this way, and Paul was trying to hint at that. What if this is what I say it is? Just for a minute, let's just pretend that I am saying it is accurate.

It's the first cross, the origins of like the lost civilizations and these teachings to spare on the world that then we forgot and we tried to re-remember and then religions took some of the teachings and wove them together with others. What if that is true for a minute? Okay. What kind of implications would that have for humanity? Imagine finding the very first cross that has a different meaning than it ever became.

The very first chalice cup that has a different meaning. Yeah, yeah. I mean, it might be – It's what humanity needs. Yeah, but it's an – it would be an incredible find, but it might be less consequential than you think. Because I'm just going to cherry pick one. Sure. You look at the cross.

The cross became – and it's interesting to look at all the images you pulled up of people in pop culture, including in religious circles, by the way, who happen to be using this type of cross right here. Yeah, the ancient Knights Templar cross. But the cross as we know it – do you wear a cross medallion, Alessio? That's the Christian cross. Right, yeah, that's the Christian cross because that was this – and it's a different shape. Totally. It's different lanes. There's actually more than 20 different crosses in the world just so you know.

And it's – I'll bet there's a lot more than that actually. But it's the thing that Jesus was executed on. It's the sacrifice symbol. Right. So it became its own symbol. Again, not that long ago. We're talking just over 2,000 years ago. Right. So it became its own symbol. Again, not that long ago. We're talking just over 2,000 years ago. Right.

Yeah. This as like potentially the first type of cross we've seen, it's similar. The feeling I get when I look at this as a layman is like we all joke about the first time caveman figured out the wheel. Like, oh, shit, it rolls. It's almost like this is the first time they took a scrape and they realized they can cross to make a shape you know what i mean i don't mean to oversimplify it but that's what would make this extremely cool it's like it's the first time they were using some sort of carving to to get across a point that's not in a word but it's in a shape that would become almost numerical or alphabetical does that make

sense it does but what if they're not it's what if it's not based shape that would become almost numerical or alphabetical. Does that make sense? It does. But what if they're not, it's what if it's not based on that simplicity? It might not be like, if you look at the associated symbols on in, in Ionis, you see that it's a sun temple there. They're worshiping the sun and the sun symbol looks actually a lot. It looks very similar to the shape of.

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circle, okay? It's creating this circular type of symbol. And I think that is part of the meaning behind it, okay? And this gets into what does a cross mean? What it used to mean, how about? Not what does it mean in Christianity in terms of a sacrifice type of symbol. Yeah, way before that. Okay. Well, the interesting thing is that, again, let's get back to the box relief at Kef. It doesn't have any crosses on it, right? But it's got a lot of associated symbols that are similar in terms of like the triptych doorway in reaching higher states of consciousness and the tree of life.

You see that well if you take those associated symbols you can figure out what they're trying to say in this and what i believe they're trying to say if you look at the tree of life how this is being passed is that first of all a cup or chalice signifies a specific um a significant religious or spiritual doctrine being passed. So if you look at the original cup, it had nothing to do with sacrifice or blood. That's what it originally meant. It was like a doctrine. And here he is taking what's not a lance or a spear.

That's what, remember, like we talked about. He's taking the seeds from the tree of life, and he's passing the knowledge of that. What does that mean like well the tree of life has been shown in mesopotamia and here in other parts of the world as a symbol for balance balance with everything because nature is perfectly balanced we're just not they're trying to say look you are not separated from nature if you want to reach higher states just like nature you need to find balance and if you find balance see how they're on either side of the tree of life it's a focus because they are in charge according to the tablets they state that these deities of

sumer they call the anuna are in charge of holding and i put in quotes that's a direct quote holding and maintaining the balance maintaining the balance here that's like their job they're like in charge of that supposedly in the tablets okay can i ask you a hypothetical here i want you to pretend I am – or no, you are a mainstream archaeologist. Okay. But you're not a piece of shit. You're not like a Zahi Hawass. Okay.

Like you're not an embarrassment to mankind. How else – and let me remove the word mainstream. Let's say I am a dissenting on your opinion okay archaeologists and i have no allegiances whatsoever to other people i'm just looking for the truth don't give a fuck if no one ever hears about it right what are the other ways that you could or the main other way if we're going to keep it simple that you could interpret this that is not how you interpret it that's the funny thing is i was explaining those archaeological papers and they did just that i mean i i printed them all off and i highlighted sections because the film we're making we might actually use that with an interesting way to i mean for instance our idea

with this film to be experts is that they're gonna we're gonna get attacked for not being accredited archaeologists so i got smart and i realized i just took every single paper from all the archaeologists that wrote about the excavations on site and then just used their own words against them, their own quotes. Them coming out and saying something doesn't fit or doesn't match or doesn't align to that, even not coming out and saying it's not the Urartian civilization, we can still read between the lines of what's very obvious in what they're saying. Okay? obvious in what they're saying. Okay. And so I, I simply will, I will fall back on their papers and I'll say, look, it's almost laughable that they're trying to mold around their previous expectations of the archaeologists that came to try to define those, right? Even they, even a child could read some of those papers and know what they're trying to say. They could. It's like,

you know, when you want to say something They could, it's like, you know, when you want to say something so bad, but you can't. So you literally like put so much emphasis on saying it, but you don't. And everybody knows exactly what you're saying. Yeah. If you're trying to hint so strongly about something,

right? Like people know what you're trying to say, even if you don't say it, that's exactly what's happening here is that the old narrative that archeologists are kind of defending makes no sense is like graham hancock says it's a foundation of sand trying to try to associate these symbols in the in the kef box with a war like your artisan empire is like trying to associate um maybe like a mozart play with like a rapper it doesn't make any sense you're like not even

the same place right i don't know if that's a good analogy but that's what i'm trying to say is that that's fine yeah is that this the depictions here once you start figuring out what they mean and to know that you'd have to study ancient civilizations and symbols and try to carry them over and that's what these are is that these symbols are directly from sumer the lion the eagle the griffin um the holiday symbols, the same as the Anuna gods. It's all there. It's just a carrying over in another iteration of that Sumerian civilization after disaster occurred. And it's like they re-lowered and tried to do it again.

But this time, they tried to do it in a way where i think the goal was that was what created what they call the golden age you know the yuga cycles out of out of the vedic text and hindu hindu understanding is that the human beings humanity goes through cycles of like a 20 000 27 000 year cycle like the procession of the equinox excuse me and that we go through periods of what's called golden age bronze age silver age and gold age golden age right and it wobbles back and forth on that between cycles of energy having to do the zodiac constellations in our in consciousness and how that seems to be they understood more what determines this rise and fall rather than random, just random events. Back that up a second. You said it goes back and forth between cycles of energy and

consciousness, or did I mishear that? Cycles of energy within time periods. So, give me an example, like there are 12 zodiacs, and what it means truly beyond a birthday is that the Earth faces different constellations every 2,100 years. It's called the precession of the equinox. Okay. Okay? And that, if you add up 2,100 years by 12, you get 25,700 years. It's called the great year. It has to do with the Earth doing a full entire rotation of its viewpoint of the energy of the sky remember the hermetic laws as above

so below the energy of the stars is actually a lot more significant in how it impacts here than we understand it's all energy in cycles all of this is okay now imagine this civilization this mysterious era civilization falls into a time period of that rise like the yugas where it's supposed to be a golden age and they at like they're the ordainers of cycles and destinies they then lower the ultimate knowledge on how to build and do all those things everywhere around the world and the knowledge the ultimate knowledge of how to reach Buddha-like states, right? But then the cycle, what does the cycle do in the yugas? It doesn't go from a golden age to a silver age. It goes from a golden age to a bronze age, which means that you have to,

it's inherently built into whatever this system that we're part of is, where humanity is like supposed to rise up, be almost wiped out, and then have to rise up again. And that's happened over and over and over again, right? So then the point I'm trying to make about this civilization is I think this may be the origin of the golden age that spread around the world. And that's why we're seeing the cross and the cup and the chalice and the pine cone, which we see all over the world in this step pyramid doorway system where it seems to be – it's almost like if you had – let's say you had your own school. Julian's school of higher knowledge, right? And Julian taught – I feel bad for the students. Let's say he taught those students there, and then those students were supposed to go around the world and then teach what Julian taught them, right?

And then they go around and they teach it and then they create civilizations as they go. That is what I think happened here. And it's why it's been – there's a term out of ancient Sumer called the Apkallu. to a series of great sages that are supposed to be very wise and very powerful um individuals who then travel around the world and create civilizations everywhere and you were showing me and this now i'm going back to before we were on camera go ahead you're showing me all the different places around the world right where these step pyramid type carvings which is what we're looking at again unless you could probably put this back in the corner of the screen this original what's called box this is the kef it's kef temple box relief box relief that's it that's

where i was looking for we see the upside down yep as you were describing them off camera you were saying pyramids i was like wait a minute but that's you're like it's a step pyramid you ever see what a ziggurat looks like right it's exactly a manifestation of that yes so now we see it in different forms around the world slightly different pattern exactly it's either in a diamond like both yes or it's facing upward or it's just facing downward like right now i'm looking at saudi arabia i'm looking at tiwanaku yes where am i looking right here that's all that's um pumapuku tiwanaku by like Titicaca, both of those. So these are all different.

Now, this is Oyetitambo. That's in Peru. This is Oyetitambo, not Machu Picchu. So now what you're seeing is, right? And look at this one. Wait, that's not Machu Picchu. Yeah. But it's right next to it though.

It's Oyetitambo. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I mean, what you're seeing is that that step pyramid is not really like a physical representation it's the you see the levels how many levels are on that step pyramid go up up up up which one am I looking down there on the box is three you see this look show me where you're looking one two three you see that okay yeah now that totality of three is everywhere yes in this civilization and you can see it not great but you see how there's a t-shaped pillar and then there's three indentations on that that the central pillar right there so for people following along when they're looking in the corner

of the screen we're looking at the box relief and you are looking on the right side above the tree of life above the tree of life there's three little things we see carved into the stone within that pathway now you want to get really exciting here i always want to get really exciting here come on matt let's go okay i'm going to show you a picture because i don't i don't have it on my phone's on on i i'll show you it later but i just got excited for nothing i'll i'll i'll get you images i'll get you images. I'll get you images put up later. Go ahead. I was at Cavistepi.

There's people that do some tours, like limited, not much. And someone had taken, and I'll get an image for him to put up on this, okay? It's wild. Someone had taken pictures of the site. And I'm looking around to learn as much as i can every angle everything right in the corner of one of the walls of these megalithic walls of cavus cavus there was this artifact two of them uh maybe like a foot and a half tall somewhere in there made of basalt okay beautiful like perfectly sharp edges like cut your finger on them still these two artifacts sitting on the ground like in the dirt dirt, like nothing around them, just sitting.

You could like walk up and you could probably like pick them up and bring them home. Not that I want anyone to do that. That's illegal, by the way. And I will find you if you take those out. That's pillar. I found the exact artifact for it. The exact artifact with the same indentation three with the top pillar that looks exactly like Gobekli Tepe. And when you go to Menorca, Spain, the exact same shape. Can we pull up Menorca?

Pull up. Type in Menorca, Spain for a second. And I want you to compare to that symbol for a second. You ready? Menorca. M-E-N-O-R-C-A. Good question. I'm sticking it out myself.

So it's in the Mediterranean. It's an island. It's not really like Spain as we think of it. It's just owned by Spain, but it's an island in the Mediterranean. Okay? Why are there so many islands like this? They're actually the closest. Go to images really quick. Type in Menorca T-shaped pillars. T-shaped pillars.

Yep. Okay. That looks Yep. Okay. Okay, so. That looks beautiful, by the way. Okay, now click that first one. That pillar. That's Stonehenge looking right there. That pillar is more advanced than Stonehenge.

That pillar is 20 feet tall. 20 feet. You literally would be like a little tiny person next to that. Okay? 20 feet is the tallest t-shaped pillar of menorca spain nobody talks about menorca people all talk about gobekli tepe and the reason is that their archaeologists in the mainstream is convinced that that's a lot younger but i don't agree why not because that is the exact shape and the same type of highly sophisticated megalithic

design with these enormous stones that we see in other parts of the world. And I, what I'm, the theories that I'm putting forth is that this civilization with its sages moved to different parts of the world and taught different things as they went along. Okay? How big do you think this civilization was or is there no way for you to really know you do kind of know because you can't have a civilization that's small if they're making very elaborate cultural things they have to be somewhat advanced big what's small big would big back in this time period would be probably anything over 20 000 people okay all right sizable yeah um i'm not saying there were only 20,000 people in this civilization. But it was at least 20. At least 20,000 people. It's like the bottom half of Hoboken. Bottom third of Hoboken.

Right. Give or take. Now, going back to that, for a second, look at Ionis for a second. You see how I've circled what's called the hourglass? Yes. Okay. Right here on the left, again, the left of this picture. Now, take all those symbols for a second and put them together what does that mean well you have a sun symbol you have an hourglass

symbol you have the cross symbol right and then you have this haldi which became my company logo um which yeah right uming all of those things or showing that he's protecting them. And you notice he's kneeling on one knee, okay? Kneeling, notice that he's kneeling on a knee. What's he doing with his hands? He's like this. Am I fucked up right now?

Isn't like the devil symbol like that or something? He's not doing that. He's going like this. He's not doing that? No, no, he's like passing, like passing something, okay now let's put it all together for a second it's telling you something okay the sun we know it's a sun temple so they're aligning it to the different equinoxes and different uh you know different things with the movements of the sun

so for them the most sacred there's two time periods that was most sacred of all, the ancient civilizations. Take away our holidays. For them, the summer and the fall equinox, spring and the fall equinox were basically the most important two times for them. The time period when the sun comes directly, vertically over your head, okay?

That's the equinox. That's what it means. An equinox simply means that the sun, it's only two times the entire year this happens, right? That's the equinox. That's what it means. An equinox simply means that the sun, it's only two times the entire year this happens, right? That's why they're called that. The sun passes directly overhead. So for them, because they're worshiping the sun, because they believe the sun was God, okay?

They call the sun Anu or Utu, depending on how they want to use it. You're going to take my next question right out my mouth keep going so they believed that the sun was a divine intelligence of god okay and that they believe that stars the sun are very different than we perceive them today they're not just plasma gases that float around whatever that they are actually um like have high and a lot of intelligence in that the cycles of consciousness on earth may be related to the sun cycles

okay the cycles of consciousness yes those yuga cycles of us reaching higher states and then going back down to lower states they seem to be based on things that have nothing to do with us at all and we seem to be just along for the ride. That's what it seems more like, okay? Now, go back to the temple again. So it's a sun temple, just like Tiwanaku is a sun temple with focusing and mapping the sun. Same two things, exactly.

That's the famous sun gate you've seen. I don't have the sun gate picture on here, but everyone's seen the famous gate of the sun, right? At Tiwanaku. But also, they have the hourglass. What does an hourglass mean to you? Time. Right.

So, if you had an hourglass, and you had a symbol of the sun above it, and you use the sun to measure time, you're referring to being a keeper or like a protector of time because every because look at what's next to the hourglass why do you why do you say a protector because what's the symbol that's next to next to the hourglass look what is that on the right door griffin don't not don't use harry potter i'm fucking with you um i'm just trying to keep you honest so that is a griffin what is a griffin? a griffin is simply a lion and eagle together, these are griffins it's a symbol for strength

in the ancient world they believed that you invoked a powerful strength that you could use it as a protector, which is why the great at Giza, the great sphinx used to be a lion, not a pharaoh, because a lion who was facing the constellation of leo and a lion to the ancient egyptians was the most powerful symbol for

strength to protect something that they had so the lion there and look the lion is here too the lion and the eagle which we see all over the world, they're symbols for strength. And that's why – so go back. Go back to your chart. So in this case, the griffin is a protector. Does that make sense? Because it's a lion and eagle together. The eagle is like the totality of all above and the lion is like the strength of like down in our realm. So it's like the strength from above and below.

Question on that? Yeah. Because this is so disintegrated. Sure. our in our realm so it's like the strength from above and below question question on that yeah because this is so disintegrated sure are we making a very highly educated reasonable guess and saying that's what it is no there's that so that um that temple has that that um icon like 10 15 times okay so turn it over for a second. See? It goes all – the symbols go all around the whole site. So there's better images of it that are more preserved.

Right. The circle is just – Oh, yeah. Look right there. Yeah, see? So the circle just happens to be in front of the altar where the cross is, where the main symbols are. That actually looks like a fucking unicorn. Whoa.

It's a griffin. Yeah, I know. It just looks like a unicorn. So the griffin. Yeah, I know. It just looks like it. So the griffin became one of the main protector symbols of the ancient Greek civilization. Okay? What years are we talking on that ballpark? Well, according to Plato, like remember we talked about last time. I love Plato.

Plato, Diodorus, and the temple priests of Sais is that there was another civilization that existed at the same time as Atlantis. Yes. The ancient proto-Athenian civilization. And they're the ones that became the Greeks as we know it. Well… How much longer before did you think that was? Well, it would have been thousands of years after this. And the thing that's fascinating though is that griffin, that's the main symbol of Ionis and of this civilization, became one of the main symbols of the Greeks. And the bloodline charts of the son that was supposed to, according to biblical charts,

that was supposed to be in that region was Japheth. And Japheth is the one that's mentioned in the king's list at Cavus Tepe, showing that it's true. He truly was the descendant that was in charge of that civilization. And who was he descended from again noah right but what i'm trying to see but was he was one of the sons right but here's what i'm trying to say is he's assigned in according to these regions there are three sons there is japeth thoth no that's part of egypt after god damn it so you have jappeth ham and shem okay now do you remember what the name of

that asher bonaparte like figure i said at the first cross his name was shemsi shem si from ancient sumer and he had the cross on him likely a descendant of shem because that's the thing is you look at these italian as you look at these biblical... Like his Italian cousin. You look at these biblical charts, they describe these brothers as going to different parts of the world. Now, what we're doing is we're using archaeological evidence to prove that that actually happened. And what I'm trying to build up to say is, that griffin that's there at Ionis, if it's Japheth that's in charge of that region, and then he goes west and creates the Athenians, that's why you see the ancient griffin as the protector and creates the Athenians. That's why you see the ancient griffin as the protector in the ancient Athenians and the same gigantic, people don't know about

this, outside of Athens is one of the most incredible megalithic walls in the world called the Pink's Wall. Okay. And that wall, and I have an image of it. I can probably get to you. You can pull it up too. That wall is the only thing, one of the only things left of anywhere that exists from the ancient Athenian civilization. Okay? Not that section of it though. Can you keep what you had up there and type in Richard Cassaro?

Richard Cassaro? Yes. Yeah, you'll find it just like it sounds. Thank you. Second picture. Second one. There you go, right there. Pull that up really quick. Love that. That man is great. Thank you, Richard. You do great work.

He is the one who pioneered the Florida lease symbol with the triptych doorways around the world, and I do want to give him credit for that. So thank you, Richard, because I've definitely built off a lot of his work with these civilizations and these discoveries. Now, look at these blocks. Not only do you get the polygonal type of building like we see in South America, but remember this idea of this stepped level? Yeah. It's part of like a teaching aspect, these steps and levels that we can take.

If you look at those stones carefully, like to the left of Richard's head, you'll see that there are steps and levels carved into those gigantic blocks. Now, for some context, some of those blocks are over 20 tons. That's a lot. context, some of those blocks are over 20 tons. Nobody talks about the ancient Proto-Athenian civilization, but I believe they came out of the Ararat civilization and became the Greeks as we know it. And that's why the Greeks, I think, were...

You believe they came out of the Ararat. What's the archaeological research to back that? All of these megalithic sites that mimic this site with the same symbols that came from it and also that the greeks were the most sophisticated democracy in the world hands down like the way that they laid down the foundations for where we are now is is is just like it's uncanny it's like they seem to have the model for like the perfect civilization and plato even talked about that

he actually refers to them as the perfect civilization versus the Atlanteans who became an empire. Around what time? During the Younger Dryas. Okay? Now, you have to keep in mind, the reason why I don't think Ionis in the Era Civilization was destroyed during Younger Dryas is because they have the lineage of an older time period

in the same technological sophistication as all the other lost civilizations around the world. But we don't see any of those iterations of those lost civilizations after the Younger Dryas. Meaning that after 13,000 years ago, these cultures, the majority of them were destroyed, and the majority of the knowledge was lost, and they were never able to build what they could ever again. And we know that because of sites like machu picchu and machu picchu next to the torian is a wall there okay and in that wall gives shows three different levels of construction not two but three showing you imagine you had a you had a proto-civilization that built it all

in perfection imagine they get wiped out then there's like survivors of it just some right and they maybe grew up group up with some of the indigenous and they try to rebuild because at machu picchu we see the second level that's second level building on top of it that's not as not as advanced and as big but it's still pretty good but then on top of that is like really primitive work brick and mortar and really really simple work from the inca so it's like imagine this is this is how i think it played out on earth i was to a guess based on everything i've studied imagine a civilization emerges the sumerians they get destroyed in a great catastrophe like more than 50 000 years ago so we can put a time

frame on all this and And I say more. Then imagine the stories are that this era civilization literally comes out of the survivors of that. And, but something new is lowered and they literally get all this knowledge and all these ancient techniques. And then they go around the world and they create all these civilizations. Right now, imagine the younger dry us from 13, 000 years ago is what then destroyed them

so it's like you have these iterations right you have the first one that's gone it gets destroyed then another one comes it gets even more advanced because something was handed down but then when that one gets destroyed all of those things are not re-lowered again like um it wasn't supposed to be. It's like, okay, well, you guys find your way now. We're not doing that again. You know, it's almost like kids finding a bunch of toys in someone's tool in their garage

and they have no idea how to use them or what they're for. It feels, it looks more like there was an interest in our story and helping it and giving us all these advancements and then there was like, now we're just going to be hands off and let you guys do your thing on your own. See if you can figure it out. That's what it seems more like.

And that's where we are right now is here we are thousands of years later. We're becoming technologically advanced. We got more time on our hands. We're starting to like wonder about ancient stuff again, right? Things are starting to push the narrative towards that. And here we are, we're finally looking back and be like, wait, what if that's true? What if they really did exist? And I think that's where we're at right now, is we're at that pivotal point where we are going to have a collective shift in our consciousness, where there's going to be so

much evidence that comes from different avenues that eventually the old narrative will crumble. And I think it's going to come along with the same time period of probably rewriting education systems and a lot of things. Why are you calling it a shift in our consciousness? Well, because I feel like the way that we've been portrayed and taught is almost like being kept in a prison. If you're taught that the brain creates consciousness then you live in you live in existence where the life you have right now is a fearful one because you die and that's it and you're like you so you feel thankful for what you have and you feel like oh god i'm glad i can eat right i'm glad i blow that. But that whole mindset is based on this survival of the

fittest mindset that treats us like another animal on earth, just like anything else, right? Except that we're not strong. We're not super agile. We can pretty much be outrun by most animals on earth, but we're really smart. And I think that, and we have this divine spiritual nature to us. I think that we need to separate ourselves from the animal kingdom we need to stop thinking about ourselves as just an animal we need to think of ourselves we need to start redefining what it's what it is to be human we need to start looking at all of the echoes of what the ancient civilizations were trying to tell us but that's who we are go against biologics though because we are an animal well we're an animal but again it comes back to how do you measure

consciousness what is consciousness is consciousness what defines us and we're just in this body to experience something physical i'm telling you when you redefine something like that you change the entire human experience it's almost like if you had an animal in a zoo, okay? Let's say you, like an animal, there's never been anywhere else his whole life. He's like, it's just in a cage and it's with other, other lions in a zoo. And it's like, oh, this is my existence, right? I'm like walking around in here and there's people looking at me taking pictures, but then you take that animal and as stressful as it is, and you bring it to Africa, right? That lion. And you let it out.

And all of a sudden it's like, whoa, where am I? This isn't what I, what am I supposed to do? There's no food being brought to me. I'm not eating out of a bowl anymore. a controlling type of mindset on what we are and who we are to keep us complacent and keep us focused entirely on giving away the creative potential and the divinity of who we truly are to someone else okay let me ask this question and i think you make a lot of fair points about some of the let's say organization of society that happens no matter what, even when there's better logic sometimes. I don't disagree. Let's play devil's advocate though. Do you think

some of your thoughts on this could be biased by your experience? Because like some of the thoughts I have on it, I could admit are probably biased on mine.'ll say yes but not in the way you think i'm going to say yes okay i'll say yes because i have lived and breathed what the ancient teachings that they've been trying to tell us are and experienced firsthand what they said and what we are that's not what i mean let me go back i wasn't clear enough i'm saying before you did any of this yes before you even got curious about this stuff you there was an impetus right and the And the impetus was you were pissed off. And you were pissed off at what? You were pissed off at how things were taught or how things were organized because you believed it to be wrong, which you might be right about a lot of that, by the way. I'm not saying I disagree.

It's fair, yeah. But then do you think it's possible that you could have some form of, in your research itself, confirmation bias to want to find something that could replace this in a better higher spirit consciousness way that's going to improve the whole systems that you think totally made you upset as a kid let me give you a good answer on that i didn't plan on doing any of this i wasn't like that that kid that at 12 years old years old is like i want to be an ancient history writer. And I'm going to like, this is, people need to know about this.

I didn't, I mean, I was interested in it, but I wasn't anything like that was driving me to do anything. I was just going along in life like everybody else was. And I think this is important because I came to this from someone who didn't have any expectations or was looking for anything so imagine if you were like looking into something and like you already have a predetermined expectation of what you're looking for so you're kind of worried right like it's the problem i'm kind of worried that yeah that if i look into this too much it's gonna um it's gonna provide pieces of information that like make me not believe what i did before or something right right well something we're all guilty of at some point or another this like era civilization anything i've done in this it's been more like the complete opposite where like you go into it and you're like this is kind of interesting right my wow like how do they do that i don't know but

this is kind of wild and you start you start reading you look at it you start you start delving into it without any predetermined expectations because I didn't. I just was curious, right? Just curious and interested. And as you look more and more into it and you read what they left behind

and you embody it, you almost, you take in the teachings and what they were saying and you almost take it into your life and you try to live into your life and you um you try to live what it'd be like with their mindset or at least entertain the idea of it and it's what i can say is the point i'm trying to say is that i wasn't looking for any expectations or i had no predetermined things of what i was going to find or anything it was more like the

more i looked the more i couldn't believe what I was finding, the more that it became so powerful that it changed like my entire career, everything I thought, everything I was doing. That might be true, but also, and again, it doesn't discredit what you're finding either. That's not what I'm getting at here. I'm still, I'm trying to get at the core of like making sure we don't go too far or any situation like that because i think that happens across anything in society where we have one side and another side right there's mainstream versus not mainstream perfectly fair but you may not know oh i was gonna find this box relief right here oh i was gonna find this exact temple of the sun right here i didn't know

any of that it fell in my lap by accident right it fell into your lap but you it might be fair to say and this doesn't discredit you but it might be fair to say you already are pissed off at all the base teachings that happen because you believe so much of history is covered up that you want to find the things that are covered up so sometimes sometimes, and it might not be this one, you may find the things that you think are covered up that maybe aren't because you want to believe that it's covered up. Totally true. I mean, there's always conformational bias built into someone.

Which I do as well. I understand that. Let's not throw stones in glass houses. That's a fair point to make, and I think that that's something to consider. But I'll just say that i wasn't looking for this civilization i wasn't and even when i started to find pieces of it i wasn't hoping for anything i wasn't like oh my god i hope this turns into something bigger than it is it was more like boy that's really weird what is that that has similarities around the world i want to know more

and then the next one has like even bigger stuff. And then you're like, and then I saw Ionis and I was like, holy, you know, I could not. Right. It was for me,

it, that's why I said it was a George Smith moment. Like I wasn't expecting it at all. And I think that's what you're trying to get at is I wasn't, I wasn't like hoping that something would bend around what I was looking for to become something like, oh, I hope this civilization exists to finally prove everything. It literally just fell into my lap. And the more it unfolded, the bigger and bigger and bigger it got until I realized the implications of what it really was. From someone who's an obsessed – I can look at any megalithic wall in the world.

I do – I will hang my hat off. I do believe you sit down and look at any megalithic wall in the world i i do i i do i will hang my head off to megalithic i i can look at any megalithic wall in the world and tell you where it is so i hope someone can challenge me on that yeah um so when i saw these it got my attention very quickly because i had never seen those walls before and that's what led to these discoveries but your point is fair to make i had no expectations or anything going into this or even knew what to expect it fell into my lap and then changed my life forever recently too only well about a year ago this all started yeah oh so you knew about some of this when you were in here but weren't talking you wouldn't know well you and i were talking i had found cavus just not discovered but had it connected i'll say connected cavus and kef but i hadn't even known about it on

us yet or the connections with south america so a lot of this grew and got bigger and bigger and bigger and i think i think the whole point of this is that we're gonna try to tackle this film and i and i i do want to just want to mention this to people so what we're doing is we're going to try to tackle this film. And I just want to mention this to people. So what we're doing is we have an incredible director and producer. I won't mention who they are yet, but they've done some amazing things. And we have a team of four experts from around the world, and we're going to be traveling to Lake Vaughan, to these sites, and Bolivia. And we're going to go and capture all of these incredible sites, these discoveries,

bring them all together in a film that is powerful, and then go all the way to Bolivia and show the same symbols. And we're hoping we can build off of all the amazing work, like Graham Hancock did on Netflix with Ancient Apocalypse. I don't think people are understanding the significance of that. It's all about pushing a narrative forward. In order to do that, it takes a lot of time, moments, like precisely time for when people are ready. And Graham getting that on Netflix just opened up the avenue for this to be talked about in a way that it never has.

And so what we're hoping to do with this to get on Netflix or something like that is to make a film that encompasses this in a way where it like touches people's hearts. And like imagine touches people's hearts in a way where you look here, we have potentially the oldest cross on earth that was supposed to be about this totality of harmony and balance with the universe and reaching these higher states of consciousness. Who's going to fight that in terms of like,

I don't like that. Like, what do you mean? Like these are, it's all in your back with real evidence, right? These are the core teachings that went around to whether or not it's the ancient Hindu civilization cultures,

or it's the ancient Maya, or it's the ancient Peruvians or the Egyptians. They understood a lot of this. They understood it. People – the thing about this stuff, and this is why I don't envy the position you're in in this way. I love the type of work you do and like the research. But when it comes to the messaging of it, the reason I don't envy being in your position or other people who come at it from different angles is that you start – when you start getting deep enough into history, into ancient history, you start to sometimes encroach upon where people have their set meaning.

Oh, big time. Yeah, and I'm not just talking what you think, like organized religion. I'm talking how people then view the rest of history and then what that means about them and where they are. That's why this is so dangerous. I understand that. Yeah. So even though you may sell it and package it in a great way and say, ooh, we're going to look at our consciousness and excitement and you said like, oh, who's not going to buy into that? A lot of people are going to buy into it for sure.

A lot of people aren't though too. And that's okay. No, I think that's okay. No, I think that's normal. There's nothing wrong with that. It just is a shame that we have trouble in parts of society talking about these things. I mean look, that's why I do what I do. I believe in talking things out.

I love this stuff. I lean into it it's just it's a very difficult like like i agree what what graham did doing that show and getting another a way different perspective on there literally on the mainstream right yes like grant went mainstream let's fucking go well that's what i mean is that it's the time for this it never has been until now yeah and and that's why we're gonna we're gonna make this film we truly want to touch and capture the hearts of not only people but to try to change the narrative of ancient civilizations and how far back we go and the sophistication all those things right so we're trying to do this for a position to do something good we really we really want this story needs to be known by the world

it's waited long enough and so if if people want to be part of this to contribute to the to the film or at any point please go to the stage of time.com and just check out everything we're trying to do because um you know it takes a lot to change history and i know that's a loaded statement but it's not just one person like graham and and like you you want to know who changes history how about like the the start of what unveiled with Robert Preval and John Anthony West in Egypt? That's called changing history. You know what I like? I just thought of this on the spot right now.

I'm surprised I haven't thought of this yet. I like the idea of discovering history. Right. Because changing it doesn't actually – we could discover things that go beyond what we already have known or have been taught. Yeah. I like that because look at – I mean shit shit how much of the ocean has been unexplored do you know five percent of your head five percent five percent's been explored five to seven percent right so just the ocean itself which is a physical thing right here that we could all go to and our planet's 70 70 percent water roughly so right so you think about that now think about how much our history is

unexplored totally we're constantly discovering we're using our past to create prologue in a way. I don't know if I'm using that correctly there. No, that's good. And you're right. It's like instead of saying that the era civilization and its implications are going to change history, maybe this film and what we're doing – I'm writing my new book on this and I'm going to be taking at least two trips to Turkey next year. I have two already planned. That's exciting. In Egypt and Bolivia. Yeah, we're going to be on site doing two trips to Turkey next year. I have two already planned. That's exciting. In Egypt and Bolivia. We're going to be on site doing all this. That's awesome. Maybe you're right. We're discovering history here.

We're discovering it. Maybe that's a good point is we need to stop saying that we're going to change it. Maybe we need to discover and then just rewrite it in the right way i hope that someday that i hope that someday that archaeologists can completely get out of that mindset of not being able to step on anyone's toes and not being objective i want archaeology in the future to be like this is what the evidence is let's try to figure it out and let's try to constantly disprove it by finding something farther there this is where science and history meet the farther back you go in time with history the more you need science to actually get to where it is and not and sciences by the way is in a way findings using science to

find stuff like this right absolutely it's amazing the cross pattern there is there and that's the beauty of it a guy like albert einstein is one of the greatest to ever live greatest minds yeah the beauty of his work is that one day maybe not even that far down the road almost everything he worked on will have been able to be disproven in some way well incredible but it's also sad when someone like someone like maybe like nikola tesla dies before they ever know that any other discoveries were ever found i mean very sad i i mean I guess it gets back to the idea that we're energy and we're eternal. It's not like we're in some fiery pit somewhere, like waiting forever in damnation. Obviously, that's not the purpose of this life.

The purpose, I think, is to try to take it as far as we can. Like what can you, like you're doing? Having all kinds of people come talk and try to change things, give different perspectives, open our minds up to different things. That's what we need to do going forward as humanity. And it doesn't matter what it is in, right? Ancient civilizations, consciousness, or even just like what good food to eat. We need to stop being afraid of what someone else thinks and just be open to like, to talk about about things and i think that that's where we're going to eventually go and i know it's like blasphemy to say this might be the first might

be the first cross in history and the first cup chalice right and all those blasphemy but to some it is to some but it's how you say it yeah that's that's why i was talking about earlier there's different types don't worry about right right but it's again i just um i cannot be more excited for where some of these are going to potentially go um and now when i get there we're gonna i'm taking two trips probably april and again may or june and we're doing measurements uh complete photographs and analysis of the sites we're going to try to go as archaeological as we can without disturbing them and getting arrested or in trouble yeah right so we not do that so we're gonna tow the line with that with with total respect on these but yeah i want to i want to go

back to this though because there was something that in my head i put a bookmark in maybe 20 25 minutes ago okay no you mentioned the anuna sure in relation to what we were looking at here. Which is what this is basically right here. Yes. So we had talked a bit about the Anunnaki. Which is the same thing. The Anunna is the Sumerian version. We had talked a bit about the Anunnaki last time. And we hadn't really gone all the way down into it. So if you don't mind, what I'd like you to do is give some people a refresher on what we think we know

about them where the origins are etc so the an the anunnaki or anuna is a very mysterious area to explore it's one that has a lot of opinions from a lot of different people and it's perhaps one of the most enigmatic of all concepts to think about. And I really mean that because when you read the tablets about how they're described, it almost comes across as supernatural and fantastical. It's something where we have to look at it in a lens where like, so what are they then? To give people a little background before I read a little bit here, just to fill in the gaps, is that what we find before the Ararat civilization is that the original Sumerian civilization that came out of the Iraq area

that I talk about with Eridu and then Shrupak as the last city, they discuss very extensively in the tablets this group of Sumerian deities, these beings they call them, that they call them the Anunna and Sumer and Anunnaki in Assyrian and Akkadian. And what that word translates to mean is those from above, those from heaven to earth came or those from above to earth came. It just basically those who were from this realm or us came here. They stayed, okay? And I don't want to label that as what a lot of people will jump on right now. Like some people will be like, oh, well, they come here in a spaceship. Are they like flying around space and then they come to Earth?

I don't think this is that way at all. Now, I am probably one of the only researchers that has that opinion. I fall in a bit of a crack. Well, I fall in a bit of a crack because you either have researchers who are all in and all their physical beings and all these technical tools and they came here in space suits. People either go all in or you get academics who are like, well, they're not actually real. They're forces of nature and the planets and they're not actually anything tangible. So you get the extremes of both ends. Okay.

That's what you get. You get the extremes of both ends because it's interesting that if you learn about ancient Sumerian and the gods that are associated in stories, you find out that there are two very distinctive things. There are the forces of nature and they're represented by like things like fire and storms, right? Storm gods and Adad is one of them, right? So, but they're depicted like beings, storms and forces of nature. And it's really easy to be like, oh, so they're all that. Oh, they're all just like forces of nature and things like that. So they're not real. But then you get this whole other problem. And this is where you get very few people like me that actually academically look at this in an open mind and study it.

Saying, well, there are forces of nature mentioned, but there's also ones that have complete conversations and have identities and have roles and do all these physical things and have all these things happen here. So what's going on right now? Well, in the ancient world, they believed that everything had consciousness. Everything.

The sun, you know, the earth. They believe that the earth is a living being. They called gaia they called it um there's different names they call the key ki was actually one of the original names for earth believe it or not ki who was calling it this the the original like some of the oldest tablets we have like the enuma elish um they they talk about it like that but they say in this very mysterious way where they talk about it in an ancient ancient ancient way where it's mysterious because it doesn't seem at all in even the time period of humanity for instance they talk about um like planets colliding and um astronomical things occurring that they're like part of to like creating an environment that's like they have all these they have all these terms they

talk about where they seem to be fighting against the natural elements to almost conquer them is what it is what it comes down as and it describes it as, okay? And it's very bizarre, and I want to read two little passages here before I discuss any more so people don't think I'm totally crazy, okay? Because this is, and again, this is what it states. Now, the myth of Adapa that came from, translated in 1912 from R. W. Rogers, who originally came out of the Ashurbanipal Library. I want to read this tiny little piece at the front, because I think it's going to blow your mind. And anyone listening to this, are you ready for this? Okay. It's called The Myth of Adapa.

Okay, now Adapa, a lot of people believe as well, including me, that Adapa is the original name for Adam. On what basis do we think that? Listen, you ready? Okay. i'm reading direct quotes from the myth of adapa this is tablet one he possessed intelligence his command like the command of anu god he ia who's who is a sumerian god named enki or, who's one of the patron Sumerian gods. He's supposed to be the creator of humanity, of mankind, according to the tablets. It says, he, Ia, granted him. Wendy's most important deal of the day has a fresh lineup. Pick any two breakfast items for $4.

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It's saying in this that Anu, that Adapa was created perfect and that he was even more wise than the Anunnaki. It says the prudent, the most wise among the Anunnaki he was. So wait a minute. Think about that for a second. It's saying that Adapa, who's a human, he's considered a great sage. If you read other tablets, it talks about how he's considered a sage who was part of the Apkallu, who traveled around the world to teach.

Okay, that's what he was. He wasn't a king, he was a sage. And it says here that he's the most wise among the Anunnaki. Wait a minute. So he's an anunnaki so what does that make us it starts to unveil layers to try to understand this now let me read one more little piece to to even expand this further this comes from the legend of atana which is another set of tablets after the flood when they re-lowered kingship again during the same time as the Ararat civilization, I believe. It says here, they planned a city.

The gods laid its foundations. They planned the city of Kish, the first city after this deluge in Iraq. Same time period though, okay? The Igigi founded its brickwork. Let him, Atana, be the people's shepherd. Let Atana be the people's shepherd let Atana be their architect the great Anuna gods ordainers of destinies

sat taking their counsel concerning the land the creators of the four world regions establishers of all physical form so those are two completely different tablets that discuss the Anunnaki in mysterious ways and also that we are basically them so what does that mean for a minute right do we have any archaeological evidence of Anunnaki we have more than you could ever imagine i mean literally of right the the

ashurbanipal mural oh no countless others is there any are there any weird remains found that could point to them being anunnaki remains, for example? Well, human remains don't last very long, first of all. And secondly, I think we're looking in the wrong place. I think we need to look at the ancient lineages of some of these kings and why they lived for so long and ruled for so long and why so many mysterious people like Methuselah, Book of Enoch, and Enoch himself, they just constantly describe it as them living like six, seven, 800 years or more. Like in so many different places

too. Not just like the Sumerian and stuff, right? It's from Hebrew texts, Gnostic texts, Sumerian texts, Babylonian texts, Egyptian. It echoes this concept that we used to be something that we're different now. We used to be taller. We used to live a lot longer. We used to have connections that we don't seem to have any longer. And that's, I think, the whole point of the stories I read you, The Flood, and how the Noah figure was preserving some kind of a seed of mankind because i think it's what divided us from being more animal-like so if we think of what means to be homo sapien sapien and these this these connections we have and who we are i it it has come to the attention of a lot of people and it's the possibility that that bloodline is what disseminated to create

the gifts in what we are today. But what it gets back to what we originally read, because it says that Adapa was the wisest among the Anunnaki, which means that we are the Anunnaki. And what's interesting about that though, is that we are mysterious and we have all these gifts and we're powerful, but it seems like we don't remember any of it. And we have only bits and pieces. Like if I'm going to go – here's an example. This is really easy. Everybody knows this. If I'm going to go call you and I pick up the phone and I'm like, God, I got to call Julian Doerr.

I got to set up another podcast, right? And I'm like about to call and I put the intention out there. I'm going to call Julian Dory. You're really going to do it. You can't play with it. This is how it works. You can't be like, oh, I might do that. If you set your intention on something, like I'm going to do this and you pick up the phone, you're going to do it. A lot of times the person on the other end, and I know this happens to a lot of people, they'll be like, whoa, why did I just get a thought of Julian Dory in my head? And then the phone rings and then it's you calling

or me calling, vice versa, right? Yeah, the weird subliminal messaging. What are you doing there? What's happening there? Break that down for me. I think about that a lot. It's because we have telekinesis. We have gifts within our mind and energy.

Within our consciousness that are not fully unlocked and understood it's like we forgot all those things and then we're trying to remember them and unlock them again like they're dormant within us all right bring this back to anunnaki now well we seem to have had all these divine gifts and and we were the certain type of individual and it's discussed how it was almost some some texts like the Book of Enoch consider like the Nephilim, like the cross between them and giants, they call them like an abomination. It gets into this concept and idea that we were created based on like the Noxic texts,

like the Nag Hammadi scriptures, if you want to read that, the Secret Book of John. secret book of john he describes how this creator being in there is is jealous of us and uh discusses how it is he wants to throw us his powerful being which i think is one of the anuna he wants to throw us into like the it says the lowest form of matter as like a punishment for us um because there's a jealousy in inherently in who we. But go back to what I just read. Remember, I just said a wise man, the prudent, the most wise among the Anunnaki he was. What that means is that we were created to potentially be greater than them.

I think we are them. I think there's even a possibility they're somehow related to us in the future. But you're saying adapa is human but more the connotation there is that he's more perfect than the anunnaki which is where the jealousy came in originally because it's saying that we were created which is the adam and eve story which would mean they're human though too no we mean which means we're them yes right yes exactly yes but i don't so there's no separate that's what i was trying to get so what are they let's get let's get down

on the core of what they are then i think they're us but like a million times more advanced i don't what you like for instance let me give you an example george smith the greatest translator in history that literally cracked the Sumerian code, he wrote a book called The Chaldean Account of Genesis. And in that book, he summarized his entire life study. It's literally his life's work. And at the end of the book, he has a conclusion where he summarizes, as someone who's read more tablets and studied more than anyone else in the world,

and he summarizes on his thoughts about the Anunnaki. It's really wild, actually, at a time when academics would never even touch it or talk about it. And this is the 1800s. Maybe that's why he was able to do it. I'd encourage anyone to read the very end of the Chaldean account of Genesis, and I've saved it and highlighted it all in my book, and I read it all the time. But he basically says that the only thing that makes sense to him about the Anunnaki is that they come back backwards. He says these words exactly. He says they seem to come backwards and forwards in time, in Earth's time, for specific reasons. What did he mean by that? That's all he says. And he goes on to say that he doesn't necessarily believe the King's List because they're too long and it's like beyond our comprehension to add it up. How would they come backwards and forwards unless they were traversing the multi?

Yes. Okay. So now we're getting into where I really think we need to go because we need to stop thinking about like alien ships and little gray aliens and stuff. Let's stop doing that yeah but yeah but hold on back up okay this and time travel is all a hypothetical theoretical physics i know that right yeah i know but when i listen to some of the greats who look at this i i try to relate their concepts and make sure that i'm going off of some of that because i'm not a physicist so like i'm not either let's use a guy we both like michu

i love michu michu talks about like the rivers of time right so meaning the best example i've used this a ton on the podcast so apologies for for repeating. But he says, for example, if you went back to April 1865 to try to stop the assassination of Lincoln and you stopped John Wilkes Booth from that river, if you will, for a different reality. So when we talk about within this reality you and I are allegedly sitting in together right now. If the Anunnaki are traveling forwards and backwards, when they're traveling backwards, they're affecting other realities that we're not in right now. They talk about it too. They talk about it. But how would – why would we be talking about it in this reality if we didn't – you see what I'm saying? Well, I totally understand.

I think it comes to karma because it loops right back to our discussion earlier about karma. In the Atrahasis, there's this bizarre line. The Atrahasis is the Noah figure who who actually that's he's he it's his set of tablets he has his own set of tablets called the ultra hasis my favorite set of tablets of any of them and i would consider them the most important of all the tablets the ultra hasis in that is the most peculiar line and i can say it off my head because i know i don't have to read it there's the most peculiar line of anything ever said in any tablet. Like peculiar. And it ties in exactly what you just said.

It says in there Enki. Enlil's talking to Enki. They're both Sumerian. They're both these powerful two deities that seem to be very much in charge and part of our reality and our history. They seem to be – like this is Enlil right here. His name is Haldi or Haldi. I can't say it. I can't. I'm not going to say it. It's going to hurt my throat

every time, but we'll use a soft H. It's the same thing. What he says in that is he says, Enki, where you went, and you can find out where he went through the legend of Atana. He went in the underworld. Remember Saudi Arabia with all those inverted step pyramids?

The doorways? He said, where you went, I want you to think about this for a second before you say anything. It said, Enki, where you went, you were to undo the chain and set us free. I kid you not it says that. Word for word. And what's your connotation with that? Well, why would you be – what's a chain? Okay, so a chain is like you're stuck to something, right?

Yes. Right, okay. What would you need to undo it for? Why are you chained in the first place? Well, I think – I mean I'm drawing the parallel to what we see in all kinds of religious texts. Like let's look at the Bible with Adam because we were just talking about it a minute ago with Adapa. The chain is the unknowing right but then he gets unchained when he eats the apple but then pays for it and now he's imperfect as a sinner

right what if the chain's time what stay with me for a second here what if the chain represents time? Okay? Now, what if George Smith was spot on? He was right. I mean, the Yuma Illich speaks to them being here before we were ever here. It's something about like proto-earth. Seriously, read it. It's called the Seven Tablets of Creation. What if he's right?

What if they did come backwards and they did things? What you just said is beautiful. If you go back, think things what you just said is beautiful if you go back think about what you just said if you go back and you alter something in the past it doesn't change the future you create an all alternate timeline yes which means you screw around with karma because you are then altering what was supposed to happen. You then become bound to it. Unless, now we're getting real metaphysical here. Right, right.

Unless each of those new creations creates the other ends of the multiverse that your karma will take you to as yourself or maybe someone else in the next life that's happening simultaneously you see what i'm saying but why would he say where you went because we know where where did i could go legend of atana atana very clearly states he goes in the underworld he becomes one of these rulers in the underworld as a positive counterpart so you have a positive and a negative and a negative and a positive it's like that this is a hermetic law you have a positive and a negative and a negative and a positive. It's like the Hermetic Law. That's the way everything seems to be, just so you know. There seems to be like,

the underworld's not just an evil. There's a war, there's a demon-like being in the underworld that is called Nergal. And it is playing the role of death and destruction and war. Nergal? His name is Nergal.

N-E-R-G-A-L? Yeah. Okay. Is he demon-like? Yeah, he plays the role of like a demon here. Where is he first seen in what we know? What you see is that Nergal, yeah, you find on the tablets that there were four Anuna, four, again, there's a totality of two and two above and below, that assume different

roles within our reality. That's what they describe them as. And so when – there he is right there. So when – and I believe Nergal was known as God El in the Maya, which was like a corrupted blood sacrifice type influencer. That's nice. Well, no, but imagine they're all playing roles, just distinctive roles within the duality of existence okay and imagine that that that being is playing extremely like these playing the negative the bads the bad guy right well enki was supposed to go in the underworld to play the positive counterpart to him that's what the

tablets describe him as is playing a positive positive counterpart to nur gal in the underworld so it's like it's So there's this balance that exists that we don't understand with these concepts. Now, that's where Enki went. The reason I'm trying to say that is we know that's where he was sent to. But the tablets described him as being tricked.

It describes as being tricked to do that and then being stuck there. And that when he says, Enki, where you went, you were supposed to undo the chain and set us free. My theory on that, based on everything I've looked at, is that the Anuna came back in time and altered our future and screwed up their karma and became bound to it. They got stuck here. They couldn't leave. That's why they're all throughout history

and they're so involved is that they got stuck in our realm and they literally, there's cosmic laws that I think prevent certain things. Wait, how do we, all right, are we making too big of a stretch there? Like, how do we even know these cosmic laws if we're limited by our own understanding of physics,

which is still extremely limited? We – there's – you know Sherlock Holmes, right? The famous fake character that's based on – Oh, shit, Sherlock. Obviously, right? That famous quote from that, right? When you're trying to figure something out, no matter – this is a blanket statement, and I think anyone should use this no matter what in life. Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth. Well, there could be a lot that remains.

Well, but what are we knocking out? We know they're not here in spaceships. We know that because we look at the depictions, they're us. They look exactly like us. We know a lot of things, actually. But we just need to put them together. Like, look at that being right there. That doesn't look like some gray alien.

It's us. She's got a hat on and wings. And it's the same thing. Eyes, nose, mouth, chin. It's a nice hat, though. But they seem to be integrally connected to our future and our destiny, which is why they call themselves the ordainers of destinies. And they seem to be deeply integrated into the paths that certain individuals take here and these and like for instance the epical gilgamesh is a great one to identify is that he goes on this this journey to find immortality and they talk about how he's um they get his attention and then they start like assisting him on his journey

so there's a lot of things going on here but the ramifications are that i think our reality is really complicated and i think that it's we're part of something far greater than we understand and that these ancient sites and these depictions are all trying to tell us about that mysterious origin about who we truly are and about how far our past goes and this entire game here is so that we can try to forget it and then find our way back why would why would the Anunnaki not want us to know about them is it a part of the game to you to find our way back there's a date so they place humans in our way who just question stuff like this and say no no, it must be bullshit, and therefore make everyone else accept that as mainstream?

Am I going too far down the conspiracy rabbit hole here? It may be more that the earth is an important incarnation place for souls. A what? Incarnation place for souls. All right, in English, not Japanese. souls all right in english not japanese meaning that let's say based on energy that energy never never be never destroyed right it can never be created it can only change shape right so energy is eternal forever yeah meaning that if our consciousness is just purely energy then we were eternal beings but that doesn't mean that the soul is the same level of development

as another soul when you get in you really you really get in to look at it, and especially like Hindu texts, you learn that there are levels of souls here. Some are kind of new, figuring things out, and others are old, like old souls that have been and done this many, many, many, many times, right? And we're all here for different reasons. How do you determine what's new and what's old?

Well, I mean, you'll have someone who's just inherently wise very mature for their age very like balanced they seem they're like really different than other people they seem like they have knowledge that's really profound and there's something but what if they what if they were born into a broken household their dad was an alcoholic they had to take care of their mom totally they were self-educated they had 140 iq and then suddenly they learned all these lessons at age 10 that no one else had to and by the time they were 18 they'd already been a father to their younger siblings and so they're wise at 25 oh that's obviously a factor but what about like what we carry from other lifetimes there wouldn't be a purpose of us doing it over and over again if we didn't bring something back. What's the point?

What's the point? The point is it's like a game. I think the game is that we come here and forget everything and don't know anything. And then we're in this world where it's like the Truman Show where it's like kind of fake and we're like, this is kind of weird, right? But that's what's so beautiful about it.

It's like, can you take this divine being that doesn't know anything about who it is anymore and has been controlled through war and other mechanisms, can it somehow through the unexpected somehow make it? Like it seems like an amazing movie. That's the only way I can describe it is if, so for instance, if you're like a if you're powerful if you're like omnipotent you can do anything you want you're the greatest thing you would be afraid of would be being bored

being bored is literally like the most horrible thing you could ever imagine for anything because it would be like being in hell like religious term hell right so what you would have to do is you would have to create entertainment like we do and the entertainment though you would not be able to know the outcome because what's the point of watching a movie if you already know what's going to go right the point of a movie is that you watch it and you get grabbed into the story and then a lot of times something unexpected will happen at the end you're like oh my oh my God, I can't believe that happened. That's amazing, right?

I didn't expect that to happen. I think that's our story. I think it's playing out like it's supposed to, right? Think about our story for a minute. What is our story? Well, if we take the ancients and all the evidence we have, we were somehow divinely created in the universe as some kind of powerful being. There was jealousy then

that arose over it and then we were almost destroyed in some catastrophe that was created only for us to barely survive and then the seed of us to carry on and we rise up to become this powerful golden age civilizations are creating temples and pyramids only to be destroyed by a catastrophe and to forget nearly everything and have to start over again god damn every time you need humans who survive too and then all of a sudden at all costs when it seems like the most impossibility of all things coming out of things like world war ii with and then the cold war with nuclear weapons that can just annihilate all of us what happens we somehow make it.

What a beautiful story. It is. And I think that our story truly is the greatest story ever told, and maybe that's the point. Maybe. I mean, that's where it gets weird for me too, because we had talked last time about the underground system. What civilization was that in turkey derrick darren kuyu yeah where they had the shafts basically yeah and you said this could living

underground yeah this could be catastrophe proof they could have lived down here for hundreds of years exactly right so every time we've had these catastrophes if if let's say lawrence krauss is in the ballpark when he says somewhere in the neighborhood of a hundred thousand years ago something like that is when we separated from the ape gene and i would say he's more on track than most right for sure so either way a hundred thousand hundred fifty who the fuck yeah whatever same one two somewhere in there right somewhere in there all the all the catastrophes that have happened since then, humanity as a species, as an organism, needed to survive. I.e. it couldn't be like the Tasmanian devil where the last one was in whatever it was, 1933 or something. Like they're gone.

Hopefully we're able to recreate that with some science here, but assuming that hasn't. Poor Dodo, right? Right. Poor Dodo. Poor Dodo, right? Right. Poor Dodo. Poor Dodo. But if we – each one of those times people survived, think about how advanced civilization got. Yes. And then these few, whether it's – I mean if it's 10 – Well, there was definitely indigenous that were surviving too, so it's not just them.

Right. Yes. But – and again, and based on where they are in the world and the lack of or the communication that may have been able to occur based on whatever technology was that maybe we don't know about let's say like right now here's the best way to put it right now the world ended and the three of us along with 10 other people like us from america maybe we'll keep it all in the same country. Survived. Think about all the stuff we know. All the stuff sitting in here right now.

The technology we're aware of. Yeah, compared to them not knowing anything. Right. None of us are engineers in this case. We can't recreate it. We only know about it. So we only know about it. Exactly. How would we teach our kids and make them understand

if we can't turn it on? We probably can't. So once a generation gets maybe two generations away, they're at there maybe they're not at zero right they're not at zero because there's some sort of human understanding that's been passed on that they're not going to create and create new texts and new stories like their own bible if you will or their own ancient sumerian tablets if you will they're still at a at a birthplace point right how many times might that have happened i think it's happened two to three times and i think that is why and what's what's crazy about it though is that our story could have ended just like that um and every time

it doesn't i don't think we're supposed to disappear. Why? Well, because we're connected to them. Our looks like our karma, that chain, remember? I think our future is intertwined with theirs. We are them, they are us, we are part of something. And where were they from? That's the question. When you start trying to figure that out, it gets really, really deep.

Because I don't think we or they are what most people even that study it are and now let me give you my conclusion that i've had to come to and it's really difficult to come to this but again like that quote i just told you from the sherlock's home home quote the only thing that makes sense when you eliminate all the other ones that don't is that look at look at how angels and demons are described in later religions okay right they're sort of like helping some are bad whatever we see that context throughout the world this idea of like angels and demons influencing our reality, right? They describe in all the tablets as coming here and creating everything.

They don't say they came and found Earth, like a beautiful place. No, actually, the complete opposite. They talk about coming here and fighting against the natural the natural forces that were like out of control like imagine an earth that had gone through different events and for like maybe a you know thousands and thousands of years hundreds of thousands of years whatever it was imagine a planet that was like no life volcanoes going off everywhere just like a like a and they tamed it um yeah imagine imagine a planet like Venus or something. No, not having a physical, a terrestrial planet, though. But that's the only thing that makes sense if you read the enumeration and others, like with George's clip, Chaldean account of Genesis, I told you, backwards and forwards, George Smith.

It's like they're somehow related to creation in the universe. Let that sit with you for a second. Imagine there's a prime creator, okay? This is how they describe it in the tablets. Imagine there's a prime creator that it's like the underbelly of everything, the golden ratio, the balance of nature and harmony, and they describe that as being God. That's what God is to them, is nature and the balance in everything, right? Well, in the Christian texts and other ones, they talk a lot about creation though, right? And people are like, oh my God, you're a creationist? That's insane, right? I'm not a creationist. I'm trying to explain something though the way that they say it

in every time there's only one way they say it is they describe it as more like manifesting manifesting things here right that's what they describe it as like they can just create whatever they want and that maybe the reason why we're so powerful and why I can have a thought to call Julian Dory and why Julian Dory all of a sudden has that thought in his head is because we are creators too. We just don't know it and we don't understand it. And we're like children. Creators how? Well, I think we're like children right now. I think we're like children.

Like you just said, we're like banging on stuff. As a civilization? Yeah. As humanity. We're like children. And we're like banging on stuff. As a civilization? Yeah. As humanity. We're like children. And we're like, what does this do? And we're like, you know, I don't care if we have technology or not. We don't know anything about the universe.

We're like, whatever. Like we're kids with big guns. Big nukes. Right. But imagine though is that we have a lot of things dormant within us, their DNA and within us that we don't remember and that has been lost long ago. If you have a number of, like, let me give you an example.

If you are someone who practices a skill, like, your whole life, you can actually pass that genetically athletes have often been shown to pass some genetic skills to children in ways where like they're just really good at baseball like their dad is right maybe that's a purely genetic thing but has to do with their hand-eye coordination that's exactly but what if there's a whole other side of it, though? What if there are all these things that we don't remember how to do? Like you said, we're those kids that haven't learned how to do any of those things yet, and that all these things that are happening are so that we can grow up. And then part of us living these lives and being here is to grow up as a soul because you know that phrase where with great power comes great responsibility? Yeah, Peter Parker's uncle. I think that's us. I think that we're not allowed to achieve what we can until we're ready. I think we're too immature. I think

we're too small-minded. I think we're too childlike. And I think that that's a collective understanding of when our consciousness can finally be ready and we can get to a place where we can be. That's your working theory on it. Is once we can get to that place, we're going to see an acceleration in humanity that's going to lead us down a path that maybe we don't necessarily expect.

Rather than just getting these high-tech spaceships and all this technology like what if the real journey is about going inward to these high states of consciousness and then maybe we can travel like anywhere in the universe instantly because consciousness is not localized and then we're looking at that's gonna get weird like we're gonna become i think we're gonna eventually here i'll just throw this out there but i think we're gonna eventually here i'll just throw this out there but i think we're gonna eventually become or have the choice to become non-physical and interdimensional that's what we are at our core we are interdimensional powerful creators

that the game is like hey let's just throw them into a war chaotic place and let's have them forget everything let's see if they can make it back all right so here's what i'm going to do i think we got to be just over three hours is that about right okay i got you here all day tomorrow yeah so we can do another one let's stop there sure we'll go get some dinner we can dig into the interdimensionality argument that is a whole rabbit hole right there i'm it's very fascinating to me people love that stuff i really talk all about south america with you though sure yeah you and i have a lot to unpack with the fucking pyramids yeah yep there's a lot that we did not get to today so let's fuck it let's do it again let's do another one is that how do we end that one though that i'm ending it right now this is me on the fucking mic doing it. So let me end it. This guy directing the fucking show.

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