Julian Dorey Podcast - [VIDEO] - Ancient Pyramids, Vatican Secrets & UFOs, Jimmy Corsetti’s Atlantis Theory | Matt LaCroix • 191

Episode Date: March 12, 2024

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What's up guys, if you're on Spotify right now, please follow the show so that you don't miss any future episodes and leave a 5 star review. Thank you. West if you were if you're saying that then there's no documentation that he ever even tried to go West he didn't even try meaning The whole story is complete fabrication. The entire point was very similar to Cortez and Pizarro Systematically conquered from north to south an ancient region full of resources But within the Aztec and the Maya there's been estimates today by some researchers that we've lost 90 plus percent of everything ancient in terms of writings and artifacts and describing their story. And to this day, the majority of those documents, you know where they are? They still exist.

Where? The Vatican. All right, Matt LaCroix, we're back for round two. Had a good dinner last night. had a good talk about some things. So there was a lot we did not get to, of course, yesterday. I kind of expected that, to be honest. But one of the topics that you have explored a lot that I don't believe we've really discussed almost at all in any of the podcasts we've done is south america and that is a that is something i am extremely interested in because there's so much history there and i feel like it gets ignored a lot i

would love to talk about it we're gonna i i had luke caverns in here recently who is an expert on that continent and particularly and he really blew my mind with some things in that community there isn't an explanation as to what they would have been other than tombs. People just go, no, they definitely weren't tombs and they definitely weren't built by the Egyptians. But look at all this evidence that points towards how old they are, but they don't really answer that question of like what their utility would have been. You look at the interior architecture of them and how strange the chambers are. It's very odd. And so one of the most common explanations is that they may have

been like a water pump, that there could have been water pumping in and out of them to help cultivate agriculture. Here's a really interesting thing. But I've also developed a really good friendship through doing this podcast with Paul Rosely, whose biggest episode we ever did. And also like a real, that's an exciting point of pride in this podcast because he's a guy who deserved to be on everything and when he came on this show he really hadn't been on anything before yeah he took off right he took off after that and now he's been on everything and got on lex friedman joe rogan which is just a beautiful thing to see danny danny jones down with the Danny Jones podcast also

had a huge assist with that. I should also add, I have a new episode with Paul Rosalie. In fact, two of them dropping right after this one. So if you're watching this episode more than a week after it came out, those are already out. Hit the link in the description below. But one of the things that he really pounded the table about when he was with me and then with Danny was about some of these researchers who, as he said, they think their life is the fucking Da Vinci code. Who are getting a little careless with how they talk about the Amazon in relation to some things that are man-made. Sure. talk about the Amazon in relation to some things that are man-made. Now, I've had long discussions with him about this because I think there's a lot of more common ground than appears. But what have frustrated him with some guys like Graham Hancock in particular was that there would

be these headlines that go around where it's like, Graham Hancock says the Amazon was man-made. Yeah. Which to be fair to Graham, that's not what he said no and took it out of context right right to an extent and so paul understands that but paul also understands as someone for people who aren't familiar he's lived in the amazon jungle for the last 19 years he's fighting he's the anaconda man he's amazing he's fighting all the all the crazy destruction that's been happening throughout the Amazon. And bless him for doing that. I appreciate so much his journey in protecting the world's most important biosphere, rainforest.

It is. It is. Thank you, Paul. And we'll give him as much of a platform as he wants moving forward, of course, because it's amazing work he's doing. But in doing that work, we all know how the headline world works now. People don't even read the article, they read the headline. That's it.

It's a quick screen grab on Twitter. And it frustrates the fuck out of him that people will read a headline that says, oh, according to Graham Hancock, things in the Amazon are man-made. So we could make it again. And he even pointed to a real world example with like Bolsonaro down in Brazil, who's now no longer the president of Brazil, but was for a while.

He would point to stuff like that, like, well, it's manmade. So don't worry, we can knock some stuff down. It's not an issue. Yeah. So what I really wanted to see and I would love to see it happen is have Paul. What's better than a well marbled ribeye sizzling on the barbecue? A well-marbled ribeye sizzling on the barbecue that was carefully selected by an Instacart shopper and delivered to your door. A well-marbled ribeye you ordered without even leaving the kiddie pool. Whatever groceries your summer calls for, Instacart has you covered.

Download the Instacart app and enjoy $0 delivery fees on your first three orders. Service fees, exclusions, and terms apply. Instacart. Grocer $0 delivery fees on your first three orders. Service fees, exclusions, and terms apply. Instacart, groceries that over-deliver. as man-made because to defend Graham, as I've told Paul, he's not saying the whole Amazon's man-made. He's saying things like the terra preta and some of the plants are man-made, which does not mean that we can just keep destroying this biosphere and- I'm happy to talk about that. Yeah, and taking away an incredible gift to Earth. So I'll end this little diary of the mouth monologue with that and hand it off to you. But, you know, as long as we're on the same page with that, I always want to make sure we have that at the forefront when we talk about this topic. Sure. I actually have a bachelor's in science,

and I've studied biology and biomes and environments a lot of my life. I'm not just interested in ancient history. I actually am absolutely fascinated by the world, how the balance of nature plays with this cycle of how everything's perfect and how humans you know introduce themselves in environments and how the destruction of that and then also the idea of like something like where we are right now right new york city well how do some species even adapt to living coexisting with humans in that environment and that's another conversation but directly to what you're saying about the Amazon, we have to be very careful to throw any statements out like that because it is our most important biome on the planet in terms of a rainforest. You know,

once some could argue that the biomes like in the coral reefs are obviously incredibly important too. Right, they are. But in terms of a forest biome that takes in carbon dioxide and then releases oxygen for the world to breathe and all these aspects, the Amazon rainforest is truly a treasure of the earth. And Paul is 100% right in that. And I commend him for his efforts in protecting that because it's not just about some trees getting cut down. It's about part of the heart of our earth getting cut down. Yes. And that's what he understands. And it's kind of like if you imagine that the earth had a heart and it was breathing. The Amazon would be like that breath. Yeah. It is just the wealth of... What's it, 20% of the earth's oxygen emanates from it? Something like that.

But not only that, it actually cleans the water of our planet actually cleans itself through the Amazon. I'll give you an example. So much rain falls in the upper Amazon that it funnels down through the Amazon River, and you literally have one of the most biospheric proficient areas for wildlife and species in the whole world right there because the Amazon is so massive and drains such a huge area that it's just this absolutely captivatingly special place and i graham brought up how there's some evidence of indigenous cultures that have lived there right sure i would just like to say before we go about what you just said but i would like to just mention that i don't think those

civilizations were very advanced i think that's a good point to point out. Graham likes to – he says that they're – How far back are we talking? Well, that's the problem is like look at something like Machu Picchu. We'll jump right into South America. Okay. You'll get something like Machu Picchu. I was talking yesterday about how there's three distinctive building styles there, right? Three distinctive building styles.

It means that there's three cultures that have come and gone over time i believe based on the evidence that i've seen is that that third culture the last one the one that the one that we think is being like the peruvians that built you know the inca we'll call them the inca as we see them i believe that a lot of those individuals may have come from the amazon let me tell you why and can we pull up a map of machu pichu alessi and the reason i say that is that when we look at the disasters and the evidence for Machu Picchu, you see that it was part of a civilization that built it, but then they look like they were almost entirely destroyed. There was potentially some survivors, and that's why we see that second level of building that's slightly less sophisticated, but same with the same kind of style and what it tells me is that imagine you had only a few survivors left from a catastrophe and you maybe you you met up with some indigenous groups because i mean that's not that area of peru is um you don't have to go that far before you hit the amazon right it's like right there yes so i imagine either even the indigenous of the amazon wandering up into that region and finding the ruins of those

those ancient civilizations and then building on top of them and trying to learn what they can about them that's why they're so primitive in comparison or even the possibility that some of the survivors could have sought them out to help rebuild their civilization so i think that both of those probably plausibly could have happened in that situation but what graham is talking about with the with the uh the amazon uh you call the amazon basin civilizations is that they do seem to be heavily focused on agriculture and that's really what he was talking about what graham was referring to is he wasn't saying that the natural biome of the amazon is artificial he wasn't saying that at all it's like like, those are some of the most ancient forests in the world. I mean, it's on the equator. It never was

glaciated. It really hasn't been disturbed that much in comparison to a lot of the northern and southernmost hemisphere. You know, that area is, has ancient, ancient forests, okay? You can't cut down a forest and then

expect it to grow back like it did. You can't cut down a forest and then expect it to grow back like it did. You can't do that. Right. Because what happens is when you go into a forest and you log it or you burn it, right, usually they do that because they're clearing the land. In this case, for the Amazon, they're often clearing it for growing like soybeans or something. Or cattle farms. Yeah, or cattle farms or something. Right, those combination of those things.

They're not really clearing it just to get timber or whatever. It's actually, they're trying to grow food and all these different things. Then indigenous people were doing that too, but in a way where they were trying to live in harmony with the Amazon. So instead of cutting huge areas down and burning them, what they would do is they would clear plots. They would clear plots. And what Graham was talking about. would do is they would clear plots. They would clear plots. And what Graham was talking about. What do you mean by clear plots? Well, like you would, you would take only, you would only clear what you really need.

You wouldn't just like take everything out. So it's not so indiscriminate. No, no. It's, it's like they were living in harmony with nature. Now what Graham was talking about, and that may not, not a lot of people may not know this is that the Amazon though, with all the proficiency of life and the different trees and all the different animals that live there is actually very poor in terms of nutrients,

soil, because they get so much rain that it literally just washes everything away. And the, the nutrients in the soil actually very poor. That was what Graham was talking about. So what they were doing is the indigenous of the Amazon were, a combination of different plants they were growing that they were actually planting. Sure.

And they were creating soil. That's what they were doing. They were creating soil that they then could grow crops on. And then they were able to, say, manufacture like banana nut trees maybe. Things like that. Maybe they brought over. to say manufacture like banana nut trees maybe things like that right right or something maybe they brought over like they brought because i think there was a connection maybe with even with africa with the congo is it brazil nut or banana i forget brazil nut trees because i mean

i'll give you an example like for instance they do rubber a lot of rubber work um rubber trees and and the ancients did in in south america and up through mexico but that originated in africa in in the area of the congo in the area of mali in that area of africa so how to get there well that's the question is like whether or not and i do believe that there's a huge crossover huge crossover between um different cultures at different times that we just can't imagine could have made it but i do i do think did. I think we need to not underestimate it. Even groups that aren't highly sophisticated lost civilizations like we're talking about.

But if you have a group that is highly proficient at sailing, knows all those things, why are we underestimating that they can make it to South America? It's not... We need to stop underestimating the ancient people. They're not fragile and don't understand. They were tough and rugged. They knew how to take care of things back then.

They're not like how we are. It is, and maybe they were more advanced with seafaring than we give them credit for because it is obviously unbelievably treacherous to cross an ocean like that. I think about even the Mayflower coming over here and that wood box and the conquistadors coming over here. Yeah. And that wood box. Right. And the Conquistadors coming over in like a wood box like that.

It's incredible that they pulled that off. 100%. But how much can go wrong? Oh, my God. And that's the thing. And obviously, a lot of people have not made it, maybe over time. But getting back to what we said, the Amazon has poorly drained soils. It's actually kind of acidic.

So that was why they were basically putting together growing plants and then combining different things together to create soils. Right. That were like a lot – that had better pH and could grow more plants and different things like that. That's what he was talking about, I believe. I won't speak for Graham. But that's what was more of referring to they weren't clear-cutting the rainforest. They weren't doing that. We need to – that's not a thing. They were just taking plots and creating little communities, and they would clear what they needed to and raise crops, and then that was it.

They weren't, like, seeking out to be cognizant of the importance of the Amazon and stop thinking about the power of just money and corruption and different things like that. I think that guy Luna now is – I don't know this for sure. Maybe people can correct me in the comments. But the new guy, I think he's a little better with that stuff. I hope so. I hope so. I'm not totally up to speed with current affairs in Brazil. So I won't say anything about that, but I just know the previous leadership was very bad in terms of clear-cutting the rainforest and doing different

aspects. So it's good that we're getting on the right page with that and we're moving forward with that. But it's important to make that connection that there was indigenous people in the rainforest who I think because the rainforest has a much higher percent ability to survive a catastrophe down in the rainforest, deep down there versus being up on top of a giant mountain 12,000-foot plateau like Titicaca or Machu Picchu is. I think that they were wiped out. But the indigenous people – because it's like we are today. If Julian Dory was thrown out into the northern Yukon and had to survive. Would he make it? No.

Could he trap animals for himself? Could he build a log cabin and have a whole self-sustaining thing? There's stuff I would need to learn that I wouldn't be able to learn in time. Well, I think that's a little bit like the lost civilizations. You get comfortable enough in what you live in. You stop being a hunter-gatherer survivor. Yes. You get comfortable in your in your environment and right exactly you um you don't really do that stuff anymore right you have a whole civilization foods being grown in this consistent way where

there's governing bodies and leadership like you have a whole community it's a civilization you would naturally not have all those inherent ability things anymore that you'd be practicing because you wouldn't need them you do you know i after after dinner last night when i was walking through new york and i was thinking about i guess it was like after 10 o'clock or something like that so so many places are closed and i'm like oh you got to figure out just what it's like a battle figure out where you're going to take a piss right totally if you got to go real fast because you're like well are they open are they not like this is how basic the problems are that's it now think about if as you said if you're dropped in the middle of like some arctic tundra or something right you're fucked so that's i think that's the

mentality we need to get around and i do think that the ancient lost civilization groups were more coherent than we are with nature and that kind of thing but don't underestimate how significant these catastrophes were okay and how long they went on for especially in this younger dryas 12 600 year period just in that time frame right and so that's why i think it is important to study the indigents of the amazon because they may have been the true um this like lost connection that came later with the Inca because so many of the originals were wiped out. And then you probably – what you had is – because if you study the Inca, you learn that there was a royal bloodline, royal kings, right? Otto Walpa was the last Incan ruler before Pizarro.

Remember, he captured him for ransom. He said, you have to fill an entire room full of gold. And so Atahualpa and his people that worked with him went to Cusco, which was this gold city, which I think was actually El Dorado. And we could talk about that too. Put a pin in that. Right? And they had massive amounts of gold brought to him but before they could get the entire amount of it like they brought like half or something right and then they're going

to bring more but before they could bring all of it pizarro executed alawapa killed him killed the royal incan leader who was considered the last of the royal bloodline of the Inca. What a symbol. Well, imagine though, imagine you have a civilization that has ancient, ancient roots, and you have a royalty that runs it, that rules it, right? We see that a lot of places in the world. Now imagine if that royalty is all that's left from like another ancestral group, and that's why they rule and they think they think about the ways they they are right and imagine that the indigenous groups are a mixture of people from like bolivia

and the amazon and different areas and they they're all just kind of part of that civilization well if you kill if you kill the last bloodline leader of an entire civilization and by the way the incan the incan civilization was the most prepared and sophisticated of those American civilizations. They were even more sophisticated than the Aztec. They were. They had more developed cities and they didn't have the corruption that the Aztec had. I didn't bring this up last time in our last show and I got a lot of comments about it and I want to address it. The Aztec were not great people at the end. They definitely became very corrupted with power.

And a lot of the indigenous groups around it actually banded together with Cortez to destroy the Aztec because they didn't like the Aztec either. Wait, they – I didn't know that. Yes. I want to add that because I got some comments last time, and I didn't fully explain it all, and I apologize about that because there's a few details about Cortez that I didn't get quite right last time. And I just – to bring that out, but – Please, go ahead. So the Aztec civilization had its roots in a good place, but later on when Cortez came, they had become pretty corrupted and power-hungry, and they were really, really irritating to the point where there were actual other groups that hated them.

They really did not like them. I think they were going to war at times. They were, so there was some killing going on. There was groups around the Aztec, let's say the periphery of them, that did not like them. How long are these struggles happening relative to when Cortez came out?

Oh, hundreds of years. Hundreds of years. So it's not just like the last five years. Well, it makes it interesting that if that date that Cortez landed was even more based on not just the ancient prophecy but on the idea that if they could have known that there was already that instability there, it was like a good time to come in. I don't know. That's a theory because it's just weird that he comes in at this perfect time to have alliances with all these other groups and then take out the Aztec. And then men on horses. And then they think that he's like the returning Quetzalcoatl and all that stuff.

But let's pivot back for a minute to the Inca. The Inca were very different. The Inca hadn't gone down that road of becoming like a huge war empire. The Aztec had, and their warriors were called Eagle Warriors, by the way, in the Aztec. And they wore... Bringing back the Eagle feathers, right? Well, because

think about it, they became corrupted by war and empire and conquering. Yeah, you, Matt, broke all that down when he was here over last summer, so you can go check out that episode if you want to learn more there. Right. So,

but it means is that that's an aspect that happens. We need to strongly realize like, yes, they became corrupted. The Aztec became incredibly corrupted. At the end, before Cortez conquered them, they were sacrificing sometimes a hundred people a day.

Ooh. Ripping their hearts out while they were alive. They became very dark and corrupted. Very dark and corrupted. In fact, there was even, there was a horrible instance. It's very, it's hard to realize, but Cortez, actually one of his armies that he wasn't leading, but one of the groups that was under him, ended up without his approval, went in and attacked the city, the central city of Tenochtitlan, right?

We talked about that, right? But he went without Cortez, okay? And people can look up the details for this if they want to. But I found this, going back to, I actually wanted to go back to learn a little bit more because I made a couple of mistakes last time. I appreciate that.

Yeah, I want to correct that. And so this group of like a hundred soldiers from cortez one goes into tenoctalon and they start stealing all these things and they get caught they get the aztec get them the hot the high uh warriors get them and they um they hold them ransom and they tell cortez that unless he returns all the gold and all these things that they would kill them all and they end up ripping all their hearts out alive. Oh. Which is what made Cortez so angry, which is what led them to have such a bitter and horrible war at the end of – because the Tanakta law –

And how did that war go down? It just was – it was actually a very long time. It was many, many, many months. I think it was even like half a year. Cortez versus Montezuma and Aztecs. Just these things happening with different groups, battles, fighting. It doesn't happen right away. It's not like they go in and one decisive battle.

That's how we think of it sometimes. Right, I know that. So I wanted to say that about the Aztec. But they didn't have those roots originally. That's not where it started. Catzacuatl and Tenochtitlan and Teotihuacan weren't built by the Aztec. They had nothing to do with that.

We need to make that firmly established. They came later and found the ruins, and we know that because they couldn't build anything that the previous culture did. It's the same thing. They built with more primitive work. It was like they found the ruins, and then they built on top of it and then they actually did create an empire. So it wasn't as primitive as some of the other groups. They did. They

turned into an empire. But imagine that's not the way it is for the Inca. Let's travel back to South America for a minute. Imagine they are trading with the Inca and there's a trading route that is one of the largest trading routes in the world at that time. And if not the largest, it was trading from the Incan Empire all the way up to the Aztec and even in the Maya. There was this ancient route where they were trading goods and services and resources and different things, and Cortes knew about that. And that's actually how they found out about the Incan Empire and where all the gold was coming from because Cortez when he conquered the Aztec he found out that a lot of their gold was on that route coming from South America so that's how Pizarro was then you know brought in and hey let's we need to go conquer this continent now and how you're going to do it and think about what he did

he did the same thing that Cortez did. He captured Montezuma, right? But it ended up a little differently, obviously, in this case, because Atahualpa, the reason he executed him, was that Atahualpa refused to convert to Catholicism. Of course he did. He says, I'd rather die. And so Pizarro killed him. Well, that's important.

Because when Pizarro, when, when Aulawapa died, it led to a cascade effect in the entire Incan Empire, leading to their entire demise. It wasn't actually Pizarro that like conquered them in military might. It was because they killed their royal leader. So the whole country was in their royal leader so the whole country was in disarray the whole empire no one was leading it there was some generals they were in charge but it was sort of like chaotic and then some of those died and then before long the whole thing just fell apart the governing body of the inca all fell apart that's what that's how

they did it how large was the incan empire the Incan Empire was bigger than the Aztec. How many people are we talking? Well, the Aztec, there's some... Some are saying it might have been 100,000 people. We don't know. Some are even speculating that Tenochtitlan could have been the largest city in the world at that time. I think I had asked you last time you were here in the summer about the size of the Incans.

I just couldn't remember. What do we got, Alessi? They were an empire that was about as big as the Aztec. Okay. All right. So we got here. This is on Quora. So I think it's pretty reliable.

There's like a lot of – it's where Jordan Peterson did a lot of his stuff. So I'll say here it says, according to many resources, the Inca empire had about 20 million people while the aztecs had 15 million or less makes sense the inca empire was much more extensive it could also be argued that the inhabitants of the aztec dominions may have felt much less part of one political entity than the inca as the aztecs ruled over several city-states thank you alessi now there we go right so they were the largest empire in the americas and they were the richest and when i mean rich peruvian bolivia has is one of the highest concentrations of gold in the world so much in fact that that's why i believe that cusco is actually el dorado because when you

read the stories of el dorado it's where is cusco Cusco? Cusco is... Imagine Cusco being... It's in Peru, in the highlands. Imagine Cusco being the very central heart of the Inca. It would be like their most sacred city of all. And then Machu Picchu and other places are like ancient temples for, you know, priests and initiates and stuff, right? But Cusco they described kusco

in the writings pizarro and the men that he was traveling with described kusco and they said think they and i'm paraphrasing but um what they talked about was kusco almost like it truly like saddened my heart with what they said. They described writing down. So imagine Pizarro and his army. They describe writing down from the high mountains and seeing Cusco below, shimmering in gold. The Inca believed that gold was the direct element

of the sun, and therefore the direct element that was related to God and the source. They believed gold was the most important element pretty much of all. And they also cared a lot about obsidian and things like basalt and different stones that had different properties, right? But it's interesting because, so imagine a city, you ride down in after you've conquered the Inca, right? You're now the conquering heroes. You ride into the city. They called it the most beautiful city they'd ever seen in the world.

They talked about it being architecture that was far more advanced than they'd ever imagined. Beautiful, beautiful buildings. And then the center. Well, the center of Cusco is where all the giant stuff was and today if you go there you can still see incredible architecture and some of the most beautiful megalithic stuff in the world in a place called um right in the center of Cusco there's walls basically that go in different directions that are ancient but the megaliths it sounds like maybe i'm making a leap here they were like plated in gold well no so it's a place the central the central building was called the cora contra the cora contra okay and what it represents is the

heart of the incan royalty and government and within the cora contra it's described that when they got there that the entire room inside this building was all gold like the whole room statues were work were covered in gold gold was painted everything was painted with gold um there was gold art if there was gold everywhere they just there was so much gold they had that they just used it in all their things and so pizarro it's estimated that he left south america with multiple tons tons a ton by the way is two thousand pounds multiple tons of gold in fact it may have been one of the main reasons that launched um the spanish empire in in some of the ways that it did. Multiple times. Yeah.

Imagine going back and forth with ships full of bullion. Now, have you ever seen- Imagine if one of those fucking ships sinks to the bottom of the Atlantic. Well, that's what I was going to bring up. I went to a huge mineral show in Denver last year. It's the biggest one they have. There was a guy there who specializes in shipwrecks. He's got this whole section. It's amazing, right? Because I love gold. gold i love pure gold i'm a prospector i actually do a lot of that my personal time i

love doing it i love gold it is an amazing element it definitely it definitely is special and it has a draw to it an energy that is unlike anything i've ever experienced energy oh i understand why the inca would have would have totally valued gold in the way that it was like a spiritual way for them. Actually, believe it or not, Manly P. Hall, if anyone wants to know and go look at the secret teachings of all ages, Manly P. Hall has a whole multiple paragraphs in the book about that, about gold. And about how the ancient people revered it as an element of the sun, and about it's like sacred. Anyway, so they go to Cusco, the Coro Concha, and they steal all the gold. They literally take all the gold from everywhere they can, and then they take all the stones, and then they rebuild them into a giant cathedral church. Right in the very spot where their most sacred building was.

They built the biggest Catholic church of all. Now imagine if you're a conquering empire and you have your own powerful religion and your doctrine, right? I find it to be the most disrespectful thing you could imagine. And that's the whole purpose to build on the most ancient site on top of it as a like to degradate it like that and conquer you it's it's the worst thing you can imagine right yeah and they did that all over the world it's like for instance for people who don't know don't all conquering empires do shit like this it's not that it's not that it's a good thing though but so imagine right now like Mexico City, one of the biggest cities in the world.

Mexico City is literally built on top of the ashes of Tenochtitlan. So when they came back, what they did is they diverted all the water from this huge lake called Lake Texacoca. It was really shallow, very, very shallow lake, only a few feet deep. They drained it all. They filled the whole lake in, literally on top of the most sacred Aztec spot. Right? And then they built Mexico City

and the largest Catholic church in Mexico City on that spot. Same thing. They did the same thing. And it's really sad because, and then like a lot of people think of the Aztec or the Maya and others, oh, they're just war conquerors and blood sacrifice cultures, but they didn't start that way and that's not what made up the majority of their culture, right? If you have a civilization like the Germans, okay?

It's a perfect example. And someone like Hitler does what he did. Are we going to blame the Germans forever? That's silly. That's a silly thing to think of that just because someone does something that an entire people can be blamed for it. That's not how it works and I think that

we need to realize that. And we need to recognize the ancient indigenous Maya, the ancient Aztec and the Inca. We need to start putting... Well, it was a different time too. Well, what we did is we came in and changed the whole language though. Did you know that?

So if you go to like the Mayan area or Aztec, like you go down into the Peruvian area, especially in a place like Chichen Itza and the Maya, they're starting to bring back the ancient Mayan language. They're starting to speak it again with the people because they're realizing, what are we doing? Why are we saying this? Why are we talking Spanish?

Yeah, exactly. Why are we speaking Spanish? That's not our language. That's crazy. I mean, is there anyone left who's still speaking it? Oh, yeah. There's indigenous groups all throughout. That's all they speak, though.

But they speak that, I mean. Yeah, to each other. Because I think that the tides are shifting. The tables are turning. We're starting to find, remember more about our roots and our origins and who we are. We're trying to, I think we're shedding that colonial control, like corruption of our civilizations and turning us into something different. I think we're starting to go back a little bit on that i like that like for instance the united states is a perfect example columbus day now everybody hates columbus right so now we're like oh indigenous day great i love that we're now shifting that but that's a great example to show our mindsets there and how we don't want to be that conquering memory anymore right yeah um so that was really sad that was what led

to the inca um and they weren't the ones who built all the great megaliths i think as i said i think they're a later culture that came that then built an empire on top just like the aztec did is there evidence that you've reviewed that points to when the earliest civilizations existed in south america right there's a great question i love it so that is what tied in directly to what we were discussing yesterday with the era civil civilization of like von that i'm that i'm leading that huge film for yeah in turkey because the same symbols the chakana symbol then, the step pyramid and the inverted version, as well as these triptych doorways, the sun gates, and even the cross. The cross is shown in Pumupunku

and in Tiwanaku. The cross, the triptych doorway, the three-stepped pyramid, and you're looking at a picture from Wai'atitambo right there. Yeah. But you can see that the same symbols that they handed down, these teachings from the Ararat civilization, I believe that one of the sons, and I don't know which one that is, I will admit that. I don't know who went to South America, but I do know that I believe that Haldi might be the equivalent of Viracocha. Same thing. Remind people about Viracocha? Viracocha is the

god that's depicted on the sungate, holding up two condors in each of his hands. Viracocha though, I don't think is the same influence as Kukulkan and Quetzalcoatl because there was another influencer named Amaru

which is what the name Amaru or America came from, right? I think that was Quetzalcoatl. The version of Quetzalcoatl, Kukulkan in South America was Amaru. So he was there, but something else happened. Something else happened because let's look specifically at Bolivia for a minute, okay? Let's look at Tiwanaku and pumapunku for those who don't know anything about those sites let me give a little bit of a breakdown for that pumapunku and tiwanaku are found at over 12 000 feet in elevation some one of the highest areas in the

world where people live along the southernmost part of lake titicaca okay lake titicaca is a massive lake we We talked about that a little before, and it's surrounded by volcanoes with bath salt everywhere and andesite. The comparisons with Lake Titicaca with Lake Vaughan are almost eerie. They're almost eerie. They're both

over a thousand feet deep, which is extremely unusual for a lake. I'm not saying there aren't lakes that aren't deeper than that, but that is up in the upper echelons of the deepest lakes on earth, right? Not only that, but they're surrounded by volcanoes. It's like, imagine if you built a civilization somewhere and then you went somewhere that it was like almost the same thing, the same environment, in like many of the same ways, right?

And that happened a lot of places. If someone lived in the French Alps, sometimes they would move somewhere else that was often like that because they loved it. in like the many of the same ways, right? And that happened a lot of places. Like someone lived in the French Alps. Sometimes they would move somewhere else that was often like that because it was, they loved it. I think that this civilization, the Ararat civilization of Lake Vaughan, when I find that's fascinating is that you see connections

to a lot of civilizations all around the world. We talked to Saudi Arabia, Petra Jordan, and right down through like outside of Athens, right, in Greece and different areas like that. But it seems like rather than just sages traveling somewhere and teaching there to other places like I think they did, it seems more like Tiwanaku and Pumapunku was a mirroring and another iteration of the exact same civilization. So what these pictures, I'm bringing them back up and Alessi can put them in the corner of the screen. The main one we were looking at on the previous episode is right here. Yes, that is Ionis Temple.

And then that is there? That Ionis is along next to Lake Vaughan and it's part of that era civilization. Yeah, in Turkey. Okay. And then this one is in saudi arabia that's called mundane soleil in saudi arabia okay and what we're looking at here is the inverted step pyramid yes that either appears as a full diamond where it's top and bottom or it appears towards the bottom or towards the top in the same carving from one to the other and now we

are looking at there's multiple pictures here in peru but here is one in peru with a fountain that's an oyate tambo it's the sacred spring of oyate tambo okay right below the ruins and this is the same step pyramid right type design same levels too same exact number of levels and see how there's three indentations where it comes out right here yeah yeah that is mimicked that is mimicked from like von from the era civilization but also shown in a number of other sites now i want to just go back to pumapunku for a second and we get to talk about oetitambo because it's amazing pumapunku and tiwanaku is very bizarre when it was first found in the 1500s by the spanish they there's

quotes and i don't remember it off my head, but I'm paraphrasing. They described it as incredibly mysterious and strange. And the weird thing is, though, is that we don't have a lot of other descriptions from the Spanish in other areas that said that. They found other ruins. They found Machu Picchu later. They found other things.

Actually, it was after the Spanish conquerors that found Machu Picchu. It actually found other things. Actually, it was after the Spanish conquerors that found Machu Picchu. It actually remained pretty hidden up in the jungle up there. Yeah. But other areas they found, like, for instance, Cusco. They talked about it being a beautiful city, but they didn't talk about it being mysterious and, like, bizarre. Whereas when they got to Pumapunku,

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real MVP out there, and I appreciate all of you. Imagine getting there imagine imagine you walk you're on a horse and you're riding through this high plateau of of the andes and you get to this massive lake like titicaca and you're riding through and you find the ruins of an ancient civilization along the southern banks and you're looking at it and you're looking through and you find these giant blocks that are extremely hard made out of andesite which is by the way the stone that ionis was made at at lake vaughan and we don't know of more than a handful or less of sites around the world that use andesite so imagine you get there and you see these giant blocks sticking out of the ground and the sun gate was toppled over the gate of the sun the famous

gate of the sun was toppled over in two pieces. You find all these mysterious giant blocks that are carved so precisely that you can still cut your finger on them. That's how sharp they are. You can cut your finger just putting it right across it. And you look around at all these stones

and you think to yourself, this is bizarre. This doesn't make sense. is this here who built this that's how they felt it was to them alien it was one of the most alien places they'd ever been and subsequently posnansky who was another researcher who came after went to that site and started studying it people should look up posnansky. He's very cool. He determined that he believed that Tiwanaku and Pumapunku was over 20,000 years old. 20,000?

He said at least 12,000 years, but potentially up to that old. This got my attention because here we are. We have a site that may be one of the oldest sites on earth and is very bizarre and mysterious and even kind of somewhat different than oi te tambor sasuke omon or kusuko it is because all those sites use organic like polygonal stones all of them do and often they have representations of their spirit animals. So you'll love this, but you know how they use the lion and sumer in ancient era civilization as their strength creature? In South America, they use the puma, okay? The cougar. That was their strength animal and their protector animal.

And so they actually built walls with these massive megalithic blocks carved so perfectly or melted somehow and put into place that I don't think we could do it today. I don't. I do not think that we could build Oyetetambo, Saskagoman, or carve some of the stones that are at Pumapunku. Now, I saw this amazing video where a stone mason, I think it was part of Brian Forster in one of the videos he did a long time ago I can't remember though but they went down Puma Punku on site and they were measuring and they were looking at some of these andesite stones with these cuts some of the andesite stone cuts and you can see them right there turn that over actually because there no there's

nothing on the back there are other ones that are even more even more impressive but some of the cuts from pumapunku and um and tiwanaku are so precise so even better than some of those and i'll get you another image on that yeah thank you right there that's exactly the image i was thinking in fact that's the stone that's the exact stone that they went and tested the one on your screen the stone masons went this is again this is pumapunku um right next to tiwanaku they go there and they measured those cuts in this type of stone and as in someone who's experienced with diamond blade cutting and making and making actual like beautiful stones and cutting them into different shapes they determined that they could not make that today. They could not make it today by hand. The cuts are so sharp and so precise that they explained that if you tried to do that by hand with chisels, you would break the edges.

Because there's too close of an area between where their cuts are. It would be impossible by hand, especially with bronze-y tools. I think we discussed something like this right exactly episode like with this too the that that boss the basalt uh basalt relief from the kef temple um but that's an example so that stone is andesite same stone at ionis and what's important about it is it's one of the most magnetic stones in the world okay so it has high magnetic properties and it's a volcanic stone so it's called igneous it's an igneous type of rock igneous means volcanic i remember that from science there you go so that is one of the hardest stones on the world that is a seven on the most

hardness scale of 10 being the hardest okay so how they could have carved that is an absolute mystery wait it's only a seven a seven out of ten but ten's a diamond ten's a diamond so i mean you're not exactly going to get a lot of things close to ten i was kind of expecting a nine at least i'm for what you're saying i would love you to go grab some tools and go try to carve a seven for me bud and see how you do okay probably not well so a seven is very, very hard. Try to remember we don't have things that hard that are stones. We only have things like diamonds that are that hard.

And just that's the way it works in the mineral kingdom, okay? So that block right there caused a lot of attention and issues. And I want to again point out the levels that are within it. You see how it's this doorway in the center with these levels that come out from it. I believe that that is exactly the same symbol as this right here, but slightly – I shouldn't say exactly the same.

I think it's based on this symbol, but then slightly modified. Okay? So what you're pointing to on that box relief we were looking at in the previous episode. The T-shaped-like pillar, and it's called – there's another version of it that I'm calling is the pillar of ascension. It's basically this artifact that seems to represent how to reach higher states, okay? Higher states of energy. Now, I would very much like to show you, if you would allow me to, I'd very much like to show you when it pops up that artifact from Lake Vaughan, though. I have a picture of it, but let me – I'm turning that on. I'll get it to you in a second as we talk.

And then I'll get you that image when we're discussing it. In fact, let's just do that, Alessi. I'll send you that image, and I'll just talk about it right now, okay? So again, like I said, at Lake Vaughan, at Cavistepi, when we were talking yesterday, in an image, I found that artifact almost identical in that civilization, but they changed everything slightly in South America. It was like they took all these concepts, and they slightly altered them. The cross is slightly altered. This pillar of ascension depiction is slightly altered.

It has more edges. They just took all these teachings and it's like they slightly altered them for their own purposes, but it was based on this core teaching, right? And you see that all over the place. Like you take your own little take on something. And I think maybe they were even, perhaps they even had to do that. Maybe it was a respect thing where you couldn't do the exact same thing. It was holy or sacred or something.

But anyway, the point is, I'll send you an image for you to put up on that, but that same artifact is all the way across the world at the Aras civilization as well. The more you look at this, what I'm trying to say is that when archaeologists and experts go to pumupunku tiwanaku they don't understand what the symbols mean they don't

understand they know the chakana symbol because they don't understand or they're they're interpreting it a different way they're maybe interpreting or they're just being like well we don't they're enigmatic we don't know what they mean and but the problem is they don't have the cipher. See, that's what this is. The cipher is the Ararat civilization with the Kef box relief and ionis with the same symbols but in an expanded way. They can see this just like you can. They don't know. We don't have an organized group around the world looking at all those things. We don't.

How do you know that? Because where is it? There's never been a paper written on that. There's never been anything discussed on that. I don't think archaeologists are even allowed to do that they'll get laughed at they'll get laughed out of the building in two minutes if they even try to suggest that that the aras civilization was connected to the pumapunku and tiwanaku and it's over 20 000 years old you get laughed at yeah and that's the truth and that's why it's left to people like me who, I mean, after this that was why i said i want to become a full-time archaeologist i do that's part of my mission is i want to be taken credibly i'm really sick and

tired of being in the background as someone who's overlooked just because they don't have an archaeological degree right so the weird thing here is that if you did go to do that wouldn't you not be a part of the thing that you disparage? No, I'd probably just sleep the whole time. I just want the credentials at the end. I don't care what they're saying. I don't have any interest in that. You think I want to be told how old things are and start laughing in the background?

I'd be the person, not the kid, but I'd be the person in the back kind of like, I wouldn't be able to hold myself. I want the degree. I want to the person the back kind of like yeah like I would be able to hold myself I want the degree I want to take incredibly as an archaeologist and I want the training hands-on doing it but I don't need to be told about the history about the silliness of that yeah got it but I do want that and I'm very much adamant on doing that my life okay because when I get to Turkey and I get to South America I want to be able to work with the archaeologists there to uncover these in a way where we can we can help discover history together rather than feeling like we're always in competition yes i feel like i can bring a lot to the table with them we talked about before

yeah why would um why would places that could have enormous amounts of tourism and money come in not want that if they have something significant right that's because there's other things at play exactly but I think that is changing I think we're starting to see the wheels moving and that moving to a different direction where I mean look turkey you guys would be silly if you don't realize what you have with ionis and cavis tepi that needs to be that that needs to be in the spotlight I think someday will. And even in now the more mainstream awareness of like Gobekli Tepe being found some years ago now. Yeah, 11,600 years. 11,600 years, yeah. And those are the same T-shaped pillars that came from the era civilization.

The fact that that is not mind-blowing to people. I don't think that's been connected yet. Now, that T-shaped pillar is also found all the way in South America, not on that artifact, but on a place called Amaru or the Gate of Amaru. Yeah, Tupac Amaru Shakur. There you go. And that gate is in a T-shape, okay? It's in the same T-shape. Do we have a picture of that? I don't have a picture of that.

Alessi, you want to pull it up for me? Yeah. Look at the Gate of Amaru. Gate of Amaru. The screen's not on. It is. Oh, it is? Okay. See the top? It's just we keep it black because it looks weird on that third

camera when it's lit up. I totally butchered it, but is it that one? Yeah, open up the image really quick. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Right there. Grab that middle one. Grab that middle one that shows a T. Right there? Yep. Look at that. Now that T-shape,

and I didn't show you that artifact ahead of time, because I don't have a picture of it on me, but that T-shaped doorway is extremely similar to the T-shape we see at Gobekli Tepe, as well as Menorca, Spain. Can we pull that up, the t-shape we see at gobekli tepe as well as minorca spain can we pull that up the t-shaped doorway gobekli tepe let's do a comp it's not a doorway they're just t-shaped pillars t-shaped pillar right and so we have the member minorca yesterday

has the same exact thing yeah okay like that yeah like that so what does that mean well which one which one do you want us to click uh that's not a great image go to that middle Yeah, like that. So what does that mean? Which one? Which one do you want us to click? That's not a great image. Go to that middle one that shows the – With the blue? Yeah, there you go. So there you go. Now, it's showing us that there's some kind of an energetic or teaching aspect or a combination of multiple things for why they would choose that specific shape. And that – it can't be a coincidence.

They're a little different, though. They're a little different. Again, like I said, all these symbols – Like this is way more convincing to me. but all these symbols slightly changed in different parts of the world i'm saying i think they were based on the origin point okay and i also think that the that gobekli tepe wasn't necessarily built by the same people but they had the same influence okay the same people as the era civilization but i think they had some of the knowledge about it because what's weird about Gobekli Tepe...

Yeah, there's the one in Menorca. There's Menorca. The weird thing about Gobekli Tepe that really proves this narrative exists that we're talking about is that when they go down and they dug through the layers of Gobekli Tepe and they got a snapshot of what happened in history,

they found this very definitive layer right below Gobekli Tepe where there were hunter-gatherers. They found where they're hunting. They spears you know they found that but then they found this layer right above it where all of a sudden they just convert to agriculture and start having an entire civilization that doesn't happen unless someone travels through right a group travels through and it's like hey guys stop hunting those animals over there come here come here let's say let's put our heads together and let's create some amazing stuff Travels through and is like, hey, guys, stop hunting those animals over there. Come here. Come here.

Let's say let's put our heads together and let's create some amazing stuff together. What do you think? Yeah, it's realistic. And they're like they maybe they fight it at first and then you like kind of show them something and then they're like, wow. Right. Kind of impress them with something. Yeah. I think we would probably do the same thing.

Yeah. Paul, by your phone. Absolutely. Through a group like, whoa. They're like, that's an iPhone. five years later they all have one so that's really that's what i mean by i think the sphere of influence that's the ancient sphere of influence of where the lost civilizations got a lot of this knowledge i believe came from that the era civilization of eastern turkey but getting back to is there any archaeological evidence besides what we've

looked at here with similar structures is there anything that could point to not even necessarily errat but previous civilizations having visited south america well before the conquistadors well i mean yes i mean without a doubt without a. I think there's been people visiting the Americas for long amounts of time, a lot longer than we're told. We know the Vikings were the first ones documented to reach Newfoundland. We already know that. They discovered North America. It's ridiculous we think Columbus did. The Vikings were already there long before.

Right. He was also a terrible guy. Christopher Columbus. Well, he was right up there with Pizarro and Cortez. They were awful. The three trifecta, right? The good people the three horrible men um usually like when they're when they're trying to cancel things these days I'm like rolling my eyes at stuff but again you mentioned it earlier when you want to change Columbus day I'm all for that well did we talk

about Columbus last time I don't think did we I don't think oh i gotta tell you the columbus story all right let's get the club oh my god because i know the columbus story well okay i don't have all the dates perfect but i can give you at least a story all right he'll check it i can't throw i can't get all those off my head but um columbus the story of columbus uh is very different than we've been told yeah no shit no shit. To the point, though, where Cortez and Pizarro is a lot more accurate. Okay? Like, a lot more accurate.

Well, it makes them sound nasty. Right. Why? Columbus, I think, was potentially a lot worse than Cortez and Pizarro. A lot worse. Cortez was a military man, and he had a job to do. I think there was a complicated

situation there. I think Pizarro had the same situation as well. He was tasked to do something. Columbus, though, the atrocities that he did, I think, were far worse than the other two individuals. And let me explain what he did. The story of a Columbus as we're told, okay, let's first get that established. We're told that Columbus sailed west to find a spice route, right? To India. That's what we're told. Except that none of that story is true. And I can prove it go go actually look up columbus first of all well you know and read about yourself because it's one of those funny things that it's actually says it in there but people don't actually look into themselves like the history of columbus says the truth of

what he did well he enslaved all kinds of people right so they were raping all that yeah so what happened with columbus is he sails over and he lands just north of – near the Bahamas. And he finds this very – a very like peaceful tribe called the Ararat. Or Ararat. I think it's Ararat. Or one of the groups that's in that area. It's just a very primitive, very peaceful group that was actually just fishing and living off the ocean. They would just harvest shells and fish. And they were not violent or warlike at all. They were very peaceful.

Columbus lands in their area, in those tribes, and they bring him in with open arms. And it's like well-documented. And so he comes up to them. He walks up to them and he sees the chief. And he, right, they're trying to communicate. He's like, he looks at him. He's like, hey, what do you got there on your neck? The chief had a gold necklace on. Okay. Would look good on me.

He's like, that's nice, man. I was looking for a spice trade route, but maybe I'm going to change that around. I'm not really interested in that anymore. No, that's a joke, but he really did. He landed near the Bahamas, and he meets with a tribe, and he sees that they have gold jewelry on. And they bring him in. They bring him into their life, and they're going to give him food and everything, right? But instead, he asks them,

he says, where did you get the gold? And they don't know how to communicate very well. And so they're trying to get that established and he ends up, he gets mad because they won't tell him and he can't, so he takes them hostage. Okay. How many men did he have with him do we know any of that i don't know the exact number you'll have to pull that up for me alessi if you know but

i don't know the exact number but he takes this like very very peaceful tribe this group and he takes them hostage takes some of the slaves and he forces them with the threat of death and i think he even killed some of them to tell him where the gold came from. Okay? Tell me where the gold at. So they tell him. Everybody see a leprechaun say yeah. They tell him that the gold came from Hispaniola in Puerto Rico. Okay?

For those that don't know, that area had a lot of gold at that time. They did. It was where the heart of the gold in the caribbean was okay so hispaniola for those who don't know that's cuba and haiti today okay and then you puerto rico so he he finds out takes him hostage they lead him back he gets to cuba hispaniola um and he thought he faces like some pretty serious opposition by the groups there. He goes to war. He kills most of them. He takes over... They take over Hispaniola and Peru and...

What did I just say a second ago? They take over that entire region of Hispaniola and Puerto Rico. They go in and they enslave the local people in those regions to create massive gold mines massive massive gold mines and what happened was they just took all the local people and used them as

a slave worker force and some of the descriptions that have come out of some of the journals and some of the people have talked about it. What journals? About some individuals that wrote about what happened. Like from Columbus's side? Yeah. Yeah. They've admitted and talked about how it was potentially like living in hell. Like absolute hell. And that something like 9 out of 10 of the people that would work in the mines would die.

Would die. And I don't even know if very many, many made it out of there. But they went, so subsequently Columbus creates this massive slave trade of mining in Cuba, Haiti, Dominican Republic, and then Puerto Rico.

And subsequently goes back to Spain multiple times. So you never hear about this. Goes back to Spain with a boat full of gold how long would it take back then to go across oh it would take weeks if not months months right so not only did it have full of gold and other resources but it was full of slaves they enslaved this the the indigenous groups and they brought them back over and over again on boats with gold what happened was the the placer deposits meaning river river worn girl gold that they were digging out of those

regions uh when it was exhausted they basically just left everything the way it is and left these these cultures just like devastated entire communities gone entire communities that had just disappeared and all died from mining these horrible conditions so he comes back multiple times over and over again just to get all these resources and then just goes back to spain that's it he just like that's all he he doesn't go west he doesn't even go past cuba west if you were if you're saying that then there's no there's no documentation that he ever even tried to go west you see what i'm saying yeah he would have discovered mexico very easily yes he didn't even try meaning the whole story is complete fabrication the entire point was very similar to cortez and pizarro the first imagine you have like

a plan and you have these phases of the plan phase one is like what we think of as the the america you know united states and caribbean phase two is mexico phase three is like south america yes that's literally what they did systematically conquered from north to south an ancient region full of resources but not only that, I do think I want to, I really want to say this because we haven't talked about it yet. I think it's very important. Within the Maya and the Aztec, not as much with the Inca because they didn't write as many things down

for some reason, but within the Aztec and the Maya, there's been estimates today by some researchers who have studied that, that we've lost 90 plus percent of everything ancient in terms of writings and artifacts and describing their story from that region. They literally stole or burned everything. And to this day, the majority of those documents, do you know where they are? They still exist. Where? The Vatican.

How do we know where they are they still are they still exist where the vatican how do we know that because there have been whistleblowers that have talked about what's down there and these whistleblowers i'm not going to name any names well let's name names i'm not gonna i can't name names on the podcast but i can tell you who have hit you up and said it? They have, let's just say, the library down, the Vatican library has an entire collection of Maya, Aztec, Egyptian, as well as ancient Sumerian tablets. Because we had 30,000 to 40,000 cuneiform tablets that have come out of the Ashurbanipal library

and the libraries of Ebla. And to this day, I've only been able to track down roughly 10 000 all right i gotta i i don't doubt there's some crazy shit at the vatican don't get me wrong but i i need to ask you what where you're are you getting this from friends in the field who have sources or are you getting this from people i'm getting this from friends in the field that have sources okay and what cut but have you challenged where they got that from? I'm not going to challenge the fact that they exist there because it's come from so many different places saying that.

Yeah, but that can spread fast. But it's not just from that source. It's from when they discuss when they were there. When who discusses when they were where when archaeologists and researchers look into when they conquered that region and then when when they brought everything back they discussed how it went back to spain first so how do we know that it ended up at the vatican because the vatican was the head of the catholic church and the vatican is the powerhouse behind why they when conquered the americas because spain was an empire, and that empire was part – religion was a huge part of that empire.

That's speculation. But instead of just burning things, they can't do that for everything because I think there's some respect that exists within some of the upper ech echelons to not destroy things and i say that because there's so many sites that they could have just wiped out but they didn't um but they did wipe out a lot well like eridu and these sites in turkey like they just sit there like they could just they don't though they don't wipe that like i think there's some respect with ancient culture still to a small degree even in those places is an interesting word very small to use in the same context of how you're bringing this up well but not for the people they conquered I want to make that very clear the respect for the people that were before

they know there was an ancient ancestral group there just like like look at ball back Lebanon ancient ancestral yeah like before the Maya and the Aztec that they conquered was in a much more ancient group that lived there and they believe that that is the basis for the things that they are discovering exactly okay so those other cultures had really nothing to do with that in the same way they like maybe carried some of the writings down and passed some of them but they didn't really understand the same way um and that was and that was very clear to me when i kept studying sites with things that would just disappear and I'd never see them again

a lot of people believe that and I've done research and I believe as well that it is a central storehouse, the Vatican archives, is a central storehouse for anything that doesn't fit in the conventional narrative and I think it's an easy way to catalog and hide something The Vatican, archives, is a central storehouse for anything that doesn't fit in the conventional narrative.

And I think it's an easy way to catalog and hide something, and I don't think that it's necessarily not going to come out of there again. How much – and the Vatican has been coming up on some podcasts we've been doing. I'm embarrassed to say I used to live right next to it for months. Really? Yeah, when I was in college. And at the time, I just couldn't really appreciate the gravity of what that place could mean. But we know what size the Vatican is above, but the underground, how big does it go that we know of? We have photographs. Okay. And you want it go that we know of? We have photographs. Okay. And you can,

you want to pull it up really quick? Vatican archives. You'll find some photographs that have been taken. And to get in there, you can only be a very, very high level individual, or you have to, as well as that,

or you have to have something specific, you know, you're looking for. They do not let you wander around. Whoa, this go, right there. So that's the Vatican archives. How far below ground is this? I don't know that. I don't know exactly how far down it is. What's that, Alessi? Can we also click that other one, the second from the top? No, no, no, from the top. This one? No, no, no, no, no. Down, down, down. Down one. Yeah, yeah, no, no, back. Yep, that one. So there you go. There's an example.

Now, what you have here is a collection of Gnostic text, ancient Hebrew text. You have ancient Sumerian, Akkadian, Babylonian. Is that King Charles and Camilla in the archives right there? I can't see it. Pull it up. I don't know. Third one, down. There you go.

Indeed it is. They're like taking a little tour. Like, oh, this is nice. This is very nice. This is very nice in here. Indeed it is. They're like taking a little tour like, oh, this is nice. This is very nice. This is very nice in here. Eww. Eww. So imagine that they do have a little bit of respect for the ancient, the ancient, ancient

cultures and what they taught. And so instead of destroying it, there are a lot of things. Well, keep it keepsake. Keepsake for now. Someday, I do believe that there is an intention to release all of it. Release all of it? Yes. What makes you think that?

We've got to stop pretending that the power structures that be, that are in charge of certain aspects of history and decisions, because I do think that exists, is not planning on some kind of a changing of our understanding. A disclosure of some kind, exactly. The Vatican. If what you're insinuating here is correct. I think in the future. That's a big what if. Well, imagine though that things have to happen first before that happens. Like things like the whole narrative of our history changing.

I think it'll happen down the road. Down the road when we're in a very different society we're in a different mindset than we are now but let's take the argument hypothetically that it never will ever be shown all secret societies have existed the main ones have existed for so long and they've never disclosed shit and the whole point of the secret society is that it's secret right why would they suddenly be like you know what open let's go and that's why so many people are questioning like the ufo disclosures and stuff right now right justly so by the way i would do very fair question right now i think it's part of the same thing i think personally that even if the ufos and the uaps

that they're describing in all these photographs even if some most of them are just government technology that's what i think but it doesn't matter it's changing our collective it's changing our our minds of opening up the possibility of what exists that we're not alone that is so huge because even something as fundamental as walking outside and like looking up at the night sky maybe not in new york city because you guys have a lot of lights but walking out in the country and looking up up at the night sky, maybe not in New York City because you guys have a lot of lights, but walking out in the country and looking up and realizing the vastness of the universe and what's above you, don't underestimate how few people do that.

Yeah. They're focused, right? They have this, right? I got to go to the store. I got to go to the bank. I got to get gas. Oh, shoot. My friend wants to have me to go meet him somewhere.

That's right. They're not even looking up. That's right. They like almost forget they're on a planet that's spinning 1,000 miles an hour that's passing through space and revolving around a giant star. We forget. We forget about that. I do all the time. You forget about that all the time too.

All the time. That's what we're talking about here. I at least love that UAPs and UFO stuff that's happening regardless if it's staged or not. I don't care because at least it gets, I think that point, that's the point is to get our mindsets to start changing because as a collective, I think they know what's coming. I do. I think they know what's coming. And I think that it's all part of like these pieces being put in place to eventually allow us to have disclosure, but in a way where it doesn't destroy all the systems that are in place right now. Slow trickle it.

Slow trickle it, right? You go meet... Like, I was just with an Uber driver coming over here. You never know who you're going to meet. This just Uber driver guy is, like, fascinated by lost civilizations and stuff. The average person

is becoming really interested in this stuff. Depends where you look, but yeah. It's not everyone, but a lot of people are starting to be interested and curious about this. And people like Graham putting ancient apocalypse out is helping change and push that narrative forward. And that's what I mean.

Is I do think there will become, there'll be a time when... Where the Vatican has to release the shit that they stole and pillaged and throughout humanity and have to say that like, oh, oh, sorry we did this and I hope we still exist tomorrow, by the way? I don't think it'll be in the same – I don't think it'll be the Vatican like we think it is today. I do think that we're going to have some major power shifts in the future in our lives. Why do you think that? Well, because it's unsustainable.

Any empire is unsustainable. Any empire is unsustainable. And that's the world has turned into this trifecta empire of like, right, London being this independent state, financial state, part of the world. And then you have the Vatican being this religious state in the world with this independent state that's not even part of the other country it's in. And then you get Washington, D.C., the same thing with this military power. I just think that that trifecta runs the world. I do. I think that that trifecta runs the world i do i think that three that three trifecta runs the world and from a business perspective the vatican's the one i i just don't know enough to say but from a business perspective if you're looking at the most recent empires which is the united states and the uk sure that would be how you would run everything you would need that there would be three three ways to run things you would have to have finance financial capital the religious capital and the military capital those three could run everything and i think they do i do i think they do and so the vatican's part of that i think that control though will eventually change i think

that structure that's in place that keeps everything carp carp i can't say that word um you're not saying carte blanche no no no in a nice little box a nice little order here right um i think that that is gonna is eventually we're gonna see that these little boxes information that that exists within only sex of individual that are like you know, these staggered understandings of things. For instance, I don't think the Pope is the highest individual there at the Vatican. Who is? I don't know, but I've... What makes you think that? Again, there's a lot of, if they're credible or not, and I don't want to go down that road,

but there are a lot of individuals that have studied this very extensively, and I'm somewhat one of them that believes that even presidents and the Pope are all just puppets for something more powerful. Well, I think that's a reasonable hypothesis. I think we got to be careful to say it's a hypothesis. I share your hypothesis, for example, with the United States. i think the president's important but you know just a lot of the guys around him they were there before he got there they're going to be there after he leaves which is why someone like kennedy could be assassinated as easy as he is right right because in the end of the day he doesn't have ultimate power over over what he what his situation we were just talking about that last night that say apparently he didn't and so that just shows

you that they if you if even if you're president, you piss enough people off, just like that, you can be gone. I wonder how easily that can happen today. I don't think it could happen like it did back then. That was a Turkey shoot on live TV. And I also think that all those things they used to do with everyone disappearing, I don't think that can really happen anymore with how interconnected we are. It's hard. It can still happen, but it's harder. If I leave here after we're talking and no one ever sees me again, I'm pretty sure that won't go unnoticed. Okay?

I'm just saying is that back then, I think that without having computers and phones and everything, it was easier for someone to just where'd they go? I don't know. Sure. Right? But what I'm saying is the point of all that, to say that is i think that things are changing in a way that they haven't really been before we haven't had all

this technology and all these things and eventually information is going to get out enough that one percent we talked about to shift that collective and what does that do it what happens is imagine humanity is like a singular organism in terms of consciousness. And we have what's called a collective consciousness. It means that we all live in a reality together, right? And we share ideas. But there's this driving direction of humanity based on the average amount of people that believe in something similar. Like, the average person goes to work and gets up, pays their bills.

And, you know, they have a certain mindset of, of doing life and doing these things. I think that that, I think that that whole thing though is shifting is that, that whole dynamic of the way we used to think and, and see the world. And, and I don't think we should, we should stop comparing to what hasn't happened before. Like the Vatican archives hasn't released anything and they're powerful and whatever, so how can they not be that in the future? We need to not measure the future based on only the past. Okay?

It's important to look at the future in a way where it's changing so fast, so exponentially, that buckle up because we have no idea what's about to happen. But there's new ways as things change so do so does everyone with it including groups and right structures that have so that's the collective and they well no i'm saying like the the way that you hold a grip on power can change and yes we see empires change because they fail to adapt to that but another empire replaces them right right? Another central power structure. Why do you think it always has to be empires though?

Because that's how the world has been. There really haven't been – I mean like when you look at pockets, even we're talking about South America for example right now before we got on this little tangent. Even there, you had – The Inca were an empire. Yes, you had your empires. You could say the Aztecs had some form of an empire, right? You could say the Mayans had some form of an empire. World history, if you go through like a timeline – I was looking at something earlier.

Maybe I still have it. Yeah, here we go. I was looking at this timeline of empires throughout history. It's continuous. You go from the Akkadian Empire to the Ancient Egyptian Empire to the Hittiteittite empire to the syrian empire to the persian empire macedonian empire roman empire well maru is that maury empire han dynasty byzantine empire islamic caliphate mongol empire ottoman empire mughal empire british empire russian empire spanish empire french empire japanese empire soviet union united okay well guess who wasn't an empire the sum Okay, well guess who wasn't an empire? The Sumerians.

And guess who wasn't an empire? The Eretz civilization. What we're talking about here is a time period of history when we became extremely warlike and violent. Wait, but what's the point there? That they weren't empires? Because our mentality and

what we can do with civilizations and become is not, we shouldn't be based on that one option. Because we've seen in history that some ancient, ancient cultures weren't empires. And I would actually interject in my personal belief in what I've studied is that based on – when we look at murals from ancient Sumer in that area, you find two things happening. One, there are depictions like you see with Haldi where it's like a person with a regular head passing knowledge. But in Sumer, there are depictions of eagle-headed gods with wings. Eagle-headed. And they're passing knowledge too.

Well, what kind of knowledge do you and they're passing knowledge too well what kind of knowledge you think they're passing for instance the patron god of the roman empire most people might not know his name was ninurta because his symbol was the byzantine double-headed eagle that was his symbol in ancient ancient times and then the roman empire used that and that became their symbol, okay? What I'm suggesting and what I've studied based on tablets and looking at history and how civilizations can change based on different influences

is that there was a time period in history when the knowledge of how to create war empires was passed to us. And I mean like entire war empires, because if you're passing knowledge to someone, let's say Julian Dory lives out in the forest and doesn't know anything about the world. And he just lives in his little life and he does his thing. I walk through the forest one day on a walk and I find Julian over in the bushes. Hey, Julian. And I start talking to you and you don't, you have have no education you don't know anything

about the world and i start teaching you something i could pass knowledge to you in many different ways couldn't i yes i could be like hey dude listen go take that stick over there and sharpen this the head on and you can make a weapon and you could go kill that guy with it or like even more sophisticated means like arrows different things right i believe and it's part of what i've studied is that there was a decision made or some influences to control us to become warlike and i think that that's held us back potentially one of the greatest things that's held back our karmic growth and maybe that was what karmic if you're in an if you a karmic, if you're in an,

if you're in a war and you, you don't want to be in it, right? You, you're, you're in a kingdom and you have a king and they're like, we're going to go to war with this country band together with me. You get in your army,

you're marching, right? You go to war, you're fighting, killed, you kill people. How does that going to haunt your karma? What is that going to do to your next life?

Think about it for a second. But you didn't want to. You were forced to do it, but you still killed somebody. Okay? I think we should not underestimate how lifetimes of killing and being in war could affect our entire karma and our path going forward. Like keeping you trapped.

Keeping you trapped in a loop where you keep doing all these bad things even though you don't want to and it makes you stuck there and you can never ascend to a higher place. It's almost like being in a prison of incarnation. You see what I'm saying? Yes.

I just, my own personal belief is that that may have been a tool used against humanity by some of these jealous gods like i mentioned like the in the nag himadi right the gnostic text you find out that again that some some of these influences that are part of our story the anuna some of them hate humanity like they don't believe that we should that we should have the gifts that we have because they don't think we deserve it they believe that we're that we don't we don't believe that we should have the gifts that we have because they don't think we deserve it. They believe that we don't deserve the gifts we have because we're too immature and different things. And so there's been jealousy and issues in that area.

And that makes me wonder if you wanted to hold a sentient being back who's got a soul and a karmic responsibility, there would be literally no better way to do that than to force it to be constantly fighting in wars. Because not only would that really destroy that pure place of a culture, like learning wisdom and knowledge, and then converting it to a place of just being a war culture, but you would also have another really big problem. What about all those cultures that didn't have war as their central point? What about cultures that maybe didn't focus on that?

How would they be able to survive if another empire came crashing in? How is that fair, first of all? I just want to say that. And I know whoever's listening above. But how is that fair that a culture gets built on pure essences of knowledge and wisdom and they're building crops and they all are teaching and they go in these schools? They have this beautiful culture, right? How is it fair that because they didn't decide to put 80% of their resources into their into their warriors right how is it fair that they then get destroyed by a by the culture that decided to do that it's not fair it's not fair but it's survival

of the fittest it's unfortunate like we are we are animals we are we appear to be the top of the food chain of animals as far as capabilities but there's a price to pay with that called human nature and human nature wants to conquer human nature wants to has emotions that include aggression and anger and power yeah but what if those are these things well okay um it's that's, that's fair. That's fair. Well, what if those traits though, those traits are something that is used against us is what I'm saying is the knowledge of how those things can impact us. And I want to give you an example of this. I use this a lot, but I think it's really, really relevant here. And I think we might've mentioned it last time, but if you have, um, like a litter of puppies, right? Your dog gives birth to a litter of puppies right your dog gives birth to a litter

of puppies and you want to distribute those to people to different people you know and they want to buy them or something right let's say one of those dogs ends up with i'm not gonna say julian because i don't want to say you're like you're bad against dogs or anything um let's say this ends up with someone named tony or, right? Tony really loves the dog and he takes care of it and the dog turns into this really happy dog and inherently in the nature of that dog, he's not violent.

The inherent nature of the dog is not violent. Just like the inherent nature of humans I do not think is violent. And I'll tell you why. I think I see where you're going with this. Go ahead. There's another dog that goes to like frank and frank beats that dog yes frank doesn't give it food it sleeps in the basement that dog is going to be angry it's going to be fierce you're going to pet it why are you talking about dogs you could do this with human well exactly but i'm just using that as an analogy but i think that humans very much, like if you look at what Graham says, like an indigenous group in the Amazon, they weren't all violent.

They weren't all killing each other. When Columbus landed in the Bahamas and met with that primitive civilization, they were like chilling on the beach eating like lobster and fish. They didn't have any weapons in their culture or anything. And then what happened to them? But it doesn't always exist is what I'm saying. I agree. It doesn't always exist. The inherent nature of humanity, I think, is good.

I agree with you. The inherent nature of who we are within us is a very good thing. I think we're a divine being. But across, once a number gets big enough of people on the earth, you are going to have bad. Yes. And bad can also mask itself unknowingly as what appears to be good sometimes. Many people will think, oh, it's good that we're going to go, for example, take over these people who worship a different god than us and teach them who our god is. And don't mind that along the way we're going to kill, rape, and pillage them.

I know. Right? You see how that's amassed and good totally i i totally get that but i mean imagine war empires have been this have been the standard for for thousands of years forever okay not forever though damn near forever well i i want to talk about i mean you know farther you know farther back than me but okay so here let's lay this out then now. We just said that. We established it. I find no evidence of any of the lost civilizations in history that they were warlike.

Any of them. Any of them. Like it didn't – Name them. Name them. Which ones? Okay. The reason why Plato used Atlantis as a perfect example in the Timaeus and Critias, okay?

The reason he did that is because it was a real event, but also it seems to be evidence of showing us it was the first war empire in history. And in the Timaeus and Critias, I hope people read it, it talks about how Atlantis was taking slaves in Northern Africa. And they were trying to conquer all the Mediterranean. And the ancient Proto-Athenians were the only ones that had a civilization big enough

to stand up to them. Now, the Proto-Athenians, they, I think that they're the perfect example of what I would model a civilization at in the future. And it's going to play into exactly what you said perfectly. We'll call them

the Athenians. I'm not going to call them prote-Athenians, but the pre-Greeks we'll call them, okay? The Athenians. What we find is that they had mastered democracy. And not only that, and we know this from Plato and the Timaeus and Critias. He talks about it very extensively. They had mastered democracy, human human rights and they also had this proud defending force they called it we know the famous greek warriors right proud defending force that defended this the civilization if needed and it describes in the in in the timaeus and credius that that they didn't go out and seek to conquer anyone else. And that instead, they were the friends of – they were friends with all the – like the other cultures around the Mediterranean.

And they were called on by those cultures to defend them. Does that make sense to you? Yes. Okay. So instead of going to conquer all others, the athenians had a powerful army that was well trained but they didn't do that they didn't have any interest in doing that and it's well written in that but atlantis did atlantis started as a pure civilization of high consciousness and we know this from ancient egyptian tablets and teachings you know toth and all these things

where it talks about how before atlantis corrupted, they went to Egypt and created Cam and all these things. But they described how Atlantis eventually became corrupted because it took on a war empire mentality and conquering others. And that it was a perfect example, which is why Plato used the two to show the two directions that a civilization can take. And I think the point is, and this is how I would take it, it appears this isn't how you're taking it, but this is how I would take it. Eventually a reversion to the mean is going to happen, and the mean says that an action is going to be followed by an equal but opposite reaction, and the equal but opposite reaction to peace and harmony is war. Yes, but for instance, the era civilization, Ankin Tiwanaku Pumapunku civilization, Machu Picchu, Ayate Tambo, Saskawaman, we've never seen, we've never found any tools of war that are ancient

or any descriptions of it or anything that even refers or shows that. Like this box from Kef Temple is a perfect example. Perfect example. There's no icon or anything in this that relates to war. Who did you say this was on the – Haldi. Haldi. Right, and who's Haldi?

Haldi is the equivalent of Enlil from Sumer. Okay? And some people are going to call me out on that because he – So godlike figure. He has had some history of being a warlike individual. Okay, and while I more agree with you, what if he actually was holding spears there? Well, we also find out though that they switched roles during certain times and we know Enki did as well. Because it says it right in the tablets he actually talks about in poymander the legend of poymander hermetic text that poymander discusses how you know these uh we've been deliberately misled and tricked

deliberately because they see it as um if we can be tricked then we're not ready so they it's like they deliberately see if if do, and if you do, you didn't pass. So they interjected certain things in some aspects that were not truthful. In some ways, we, like for instance, when we look at some of the negative things that have happened throughout history, it seems that they've all played roles in that. So you can't just pretend one is a shining God that never does anything. Duality is a constant in the universe. It's one of the universal constants. Duality, polarity, bad, good, positive, negative. It is a constant. If we got to stop pretending that something is good or bad, it's just an event. It's how we interpret it, right? And I think that's really what we want to look at. But the only thing I just want to say with that is that when you look

at those cultures and those civilizations, we know what they were looking for granite and basalt and and building in these specific energetic ley line locations on the earth and aligning perfectly to the solar movements of the sun and everything they weren't interested in war but what were they interested in

they were interested in the human potential and obtaining balance right but you could, if years from now after a catastrophe you dug up stuff we did, you could find a lot of that stuff too. What if they didn't find the military barracks example that you gave? What if they didn't find that in archaeology and they just saw they found the work of Nikola Tesla or something? Well, because I don't think a military empire would ever have built any of the things they did if they were focused on that so if you imagine what i don't think a military empire would have masked itself with building ancient temples and things if they were based on being a military empire but what i mean is like you would find you wouldn't find the temples right

you would find other things you would find like, let's just say hypothetically, all the lost civilizations on earth were war empires, just to get to your point for a second. You wouldn't find what you find now. You wouldn't find any temples or any pyramids or anything that had to do with higher consciousness because those two things clash as much as possible. If you have a mindset of a culture that wants to reach higher states and this is what it gets into that culture would already be way more mature past the point of wanting to be warlike it's an inherent maturity that comes along with these cultures like look at us like columbus pizarro cortez they're not an advanced culture they're like that bully just wants to take your snack yeah how is that bully anywhere good

and that bully doesn't usually do very well in life by the way but you know what the person that had their snack stolen they're not going to want their snack stolen again sometimes they become a bully though sometimes there's a lot of origin stories like that

that's what I'm trying to say if you want to know what the mentality and the focus of an ancient ancient civilization was look at what they left behind because what they built would have been based on what their mentality of the focus of it was okay if you have ancient libraries they were interested in that right right the only one in history i would say that i know it has to be one or the other. Well, there's a crossover here. I'll give you a perfect example. Ashurbanipal,

perfect example. Ashurbanipal was a very unusual individual because he was a king and a military leader, but he was also a priest. And he revered ancient wisdom and he used his army to go amass all those tablets from all the ancient sites and bring them back to one location. And that's what the Ashurbanipal library is. He decided that to use, but he decided to use his military might that had been handed down to him from his father and ancestors for a good reason. And if you look in the history of Ashurbanipal and Nineveh, you'll find that he allowed one of the most prosperous times in that region in all of their history. And it wasn't until he died that the entire thing collapsed. As soon as Ashurbanipal died, Babylon invaded.

Babylon and the Chaldeans invaded Nineveh and burnt and destroyed everything. And the only reason we have the Ashram al-Apul library is that cuneiforms in that library were in clay, and so when the fires destroyed everything, it baked the clay and then actually allowed it to preserve it better. Wait, it baked the clay and allowed it to preserve better? Yeah, so if you have clay and you're going to fire it, it goes from that kind of soft, moldable clay, right? And you can etch in all your stuff.

But the way to allow that to be really well preserved is you have to fire in a kiln. Very, very hot kiln. Okay, that's how it gets really hard. To the point where it actually becomes I would love to know what that ends up being on a Mohs hardness scale

but it would depend on the type of rock they use for it. Or the types of sed they use for it. Or the types of sediments they would use to create that clay. But imagine though that he had a war empire, but he decided to use it for other reasons. To amass amazing libraries. And he actually built, instead of the famous hanging gardens of Babylon, there's a lot of researchers don't believe that ever was in babylon it was in nineveh and that he created it if anybody doesn't know what that is let me just say what it is for a second

can i just go to the bathroom absolutely keep going all right we're back you were just about to take me through the hanging gardens yeah absolutely so history conventional history tells us that babylon had what's called the faming the famous hanging gardens okay and it's there's art depictions that have been made of it and showing what that means is that it was one of the most advanced if not the most advanced uh i'm trying to think of the right word for this, way to use water and plants to create almost like a paradise. So they found a... And I think that it's important to expand on that so I can explain in terms of Ashurbanipal, but they previously had thought that they were in Babylon and that Babylon had built those incredible gardens because they had

been seen in ancient history by some individuals that had passed through. However, the conventional thinking is that because Babylon ended up altering some tablets as well, because of their superiority in might and they wanted to be the ones who were in charge of everything that happened in the past and superior, they had claimed that the Hain gardens were in Babylon for enormous amounts of time. That was the claim, and people thought Babylon had the Hain Gardens, and it was, wow, they built those amazing things, right? Well, over the last five or ten years, researchers looking into Nineveh realized that Nineveh was likely the place of these famous hanging gardens and not Babylon.

And that's important because outside of Nineveh, in a place called Jerwan, they created the first aqueduct system in the world, okay? Where they can take water and they can basically build up a platform. They can carry water anywhere they want as long as they have a gradient that's the right gradient to allow it to go downstream. What I'm trying to say, the reason I'm telling you that is that it looks like because archaeologists have determined that was in Nineveh, not Babylon, and then you associate Ashurbanipal as the ruler of Nineveh, and then you look at the ancient libraries he created and all these things, you start to put into perspective what a military ruler who has spiritual and ancient history and knowing about other things, what they could do with their empire instead of what others have done. And then what he did is, again, he uses his armies to amass enormous libraries and then put them in one place. He held the peace in the entire region.

The entire region was in one of the He held the peace in the entire region. The entire region was in one of the most peaceful times during his reign. He was extremely smart. He was extremely able to achieve. If someone did challenge him, he would still step up to it, but he didn't go out and conquer others. Instead, he built the largest and most ancient and important library in history, the Ashurbanipal Library. Since then, we have never discovered anything more significant than that. The Royal Library of Ebla in Syria that was found had about half the amount of tablets that that had. That's still an amazing library.

But just keep in mind, he used his resources to create the greatest ancient library in the world. And that was that quote from the last podcast yesterday where I said that H.D. Wells said that the Ashurbanipal Library was the greatest collection of historical records on earth. Remember? So he then, not only that, but took his resources to create what may have been one of the most beautiful cities in the world. And again, we don't know because the Babylonians and Chaldeans came in and burned the whole thing down, destroyed everything. But there are artist renderings and there are descriptions of how imagine a city with beautiful, beautiful brick buildings with aqueduct systems all over the

place. And the reason they called it Hanging Gardens is because they were plants and flowers and trees that were growing in these aqueduct systems above the streets and above the buildings. And they had in like some, it was like a paradise because you would walk down the streets and there'd be trees and flowers and plants growing all around you.

And they called it the Hanging hanging gardens it was like absolutely beautiful and that's just an example of how you could use you could use your resources and different things for different purposes though and making something beautiful and and protecting history and all these different things and i just wanted to use as an example because he was living during the Assyrian Empire time that you brought up, and he was one of these – a powerful elite ruler that had an empire. But it's interesting how he used it for very different reasons. Yeah, I do think – and to be clear, I think that that's quite possible even at scale. It's just a matter of – throughout history, if you're not the only people around, there be groups that dissent there will be groups of other people it's it's a strange thing about humanity and and i share your same hope yeah that we can live in a world where we don't do that but i also have to recognize

the world as it exists it's a complicated place now with even more and more people on it. All different geographic locations, local problems, local strengths, the whole bit that there's an inevitability of conflict. And it gets frustrating too because you watch things play out. We've watched wars over the last couple of years in two different places, Ukraine and Israel play out. And you can almost – it's like as someone on the couch watching it here in america you're like oh don't do that oh don't do that looking at these at these different people right yeah but then they do yeah and they're it it's very very what's the word i'm

looking for the word i'm looking for is not, but I'm going to use that right here because it's going to get the point across. It's very stupid when you consider the fact that even today you have nations of hundreds of millions of people in some cases who elect all kinds of leaders, but usually there's obviously one leader at the top a president a prime minister whatever it is and if that leader meets with another world leader and One of them is having gastric reflux that day and is pissed off at everyone and says a couple things that are wrong It can lead to them not liking each other and lead to a war Yeah And is that sad that we're all just the pawns underneath these these tyrants that create wars and don't even fight in them yeah and sometimes i think it's not it's just human nature it's it's there's certainly a lot of tyrants in the world to be clear but sometimes it's just a stupid

disagreement leads to well i'll show you out of control right just like a silly thing i know and i think that that's just shows the maturity level we're at yeah right which is right if i if i say a bunch of bad things to you julian you blah blah blah blah blah like do you gonna come beat me up you're gonna like they're just words but yeah we're allowed words to like destroy and kill everyone and we do isn't that it's fascinating because it's just or ideologies and beliefs right someone believes in something different so you'll kill them or force them into that ideology yes i mean that's i think that we're moving past that now i think we're finally getting to a better place i i don't i don't know that we are i mean i hope baby steps bud baby steps yeah baby yeah these are some real fucking baby steps looking around

i mean it's it's just and and i try not to get you down on things. I really do. You know, there's a lot of good too. We've made a lot of progress as a society. I talk often about Dr. Steven Pinker's work. You read Enlightenment Now, one of his latest books. You know, he goes through statistically across all the main tenets of human culture, the things that are at their highest point and that have consistently gotten better. I think that's an awesome thing. I always want to lead that forward. It feels like though, the winds of progress when it comes to say life and death, the right to life and death of people around the world in different spots, it happens awfully painfully along that beaten path to

progress, if that makes sense. Yeah, that's true. You know? So I don't think any of that will be solved in our lifetimes but when we get into some of that meta stuff whether it be the ufos or things like that which who the fuck knows again as we already covered it's like yeah what if what if there there is a world where there's some future humans visiting us going guys you got it all wrong we got it figured out over here we're all friends but you know on on the way there we're we're we have so much longer to go it's it's sad but well you know what we need to do right the first step i think that that they are waiting for if that exists is for us to realize we're humanity

as simple as that earthlings how about that term oh i'm i'm american i'm i'm an earthling right so you say to someone yeah yeah we're all the same we're all the people here we're all part of the same thing and if we can just come together and stop fighting and being silly we could achieve unbelievable things but humans have a need for teams well maybe we need to all get on the same team yeah well you know what but even that gets fought because then people go well well, what are you trying to do? You're trying to make us a monoculture? I know. Right? But this is why throughout history we have had empires. We have had religious movements that go too far. We have had groups of people behind just ideology who go too far. It doesn't matter what it is. Everything is religion when it comes down to it regardless of what your what the actual whether it's actually

religious or not you understand but how does that come but compared to now those those cultures weren't really like connected they didn't really know each other they would maybe the best you could get back then was maybe like a letter some kind of a message between them i think that the reason so much of this is changing and that we need to we need to look at more carefully is that the parameters that are in place now have never existed in our recent memory. We have never had all this technology. We've never been able to pick up a phone and talk to someone in the Philippines. Our world, we're now, we're becoming that global civilization, right? But there's still those fighting nations with each other and we're sort of sitting back being like, really? We're still doing that? But that's because

there are powerful people that have those interests and those those things are happening but that doesn't mean that that those things that have happened the past could ever happen again because of how connected we have now become right imagine someone who's got a pen pal and like in like the in palestine or something and they're like what the hell man i like it's my like my best my best friend lives there. I don't care about what, I just want their safety. I don't, we need to stop with this. It's so ridiculous.

Yes, there's border issues there and those are gonna be really difficult to resolve. But at the end of the day, what about realizing we're all people? Yes, agreed 100%. And there's some bad people and there's some good people. Yeah, but you also have curated media. Yeah.

You have financial interests. Propaganda, nationalism. You have all that stuff in all these different places, not just the places in war right now. We have elements of that here. I certainly was concerned I'm going to it. You know what I get all the time? People are like, hey, what about ancient lost civilizations in the United States? When are you going to go find that like go in the grand canyon guys listen i'm sorry i need to bust this bubble with you but the united states was an absolutely horrible place to be able

to live in if you were before the younger dryas yeah i was going to say all of north america was under an ice not all of it not all of it all most of Canada had an ice cap, and that ice cap was called the Laurentide Ice Sheet. And that Laurentide Ice Sheet would migrate. It slowly migrated its way down south. As it got so big, it would literally move down through the landscape, and it made it all the way. Do you know where it made it to? No idea. Manhattan.

Really? Long Island is a giant glacial moraine no shit the reason why it's this big chunk of land that's just kind of sitting there is because imagine the glaciers coming south and by the way they were one to two miles deep miles we're talking about the largest mass of ice on the planet besides Antarctica at the time. How many feet are in a mile? 5,200 something? 5,280. 5,280.

Freedom Tower, we said, is 1,776 feet tall. Yeah. So that's roughly one-third. Yeah. So you have a minimum of three Freedom Towers the size of an ice cap. Now, what can that do to the landscape? Look at that wallpaper. Look at how big that fucking thing is.

Now, what can that do to the landscape that wallpaper look at how big that fucking now what can that do with a landscape wreck the whole thing and that's what we're dealing with here is imagine that ice sheet is moving its way south and it covers from an area from long island all the way west just south of the great lakes and then up through um montana and up through the uh that area of British Columbia and those regions. But just because the ice only made it there doesn't mean it wasn't completely inhospitable right below it either. Imagine a much, much colder time period before the last ice age where average temperatures at a place like Florida might have the climate of New York City.

Wait, wait, wait. i misunderstood for a second you said it doesn't mean it would be inhospitable no no it was very inhospitable for most of the united states so even though the ice only got down to like may say manhattan and long island which is the moraine it's basically all the gravel and rocks and debris that it pushed out ahead of it and then what what happens is when a glacier retreats, it's like a snowplow. When a snowplow is pushing all kinds of snow and then it stops, all that snow is in front of it, right? And then it backs up and drives away. These glaciers were literally pushing massive amounts of debris and rock and material.

And then where they stopped, they left this huge pile of – which is what the glacial moraine of Long Island is. It's just the remnants of how far the glacier went and dumped all its junk right there. That's what you're sitting on right now. Are you saying there could be a little ancient civilization in Florida though? No. Well, there's evidence that there was – like the Mississippi cultures that built – Whoa, wait. What are we looking at here?

This is a glacier coming down with a glacial lake on the end. And it's showing you the boundary temperatures between the freshwater and the warm water in the bottom. And actually, that's really important to talk about because current ocean currents are completely dependent on the balance of fresh and salt water in order for them to even function. And if you get too much fresh water, which is more dense, that's melting into oceans, you can actually completely shut off ocean currents. Yeah, this is a NASA video, so we should be able to put this on the screen in the corner. Wow. So that's a glacial valley with a glacier coming down with a lake on the end of it. And what were you saying about Mississippi? No, I was saying that there's evidence like the Mississippi cultures of Calhoun and others where they built huge earthen pyramids out of just soil.

But they're there. They're there. Like they learned it, but they didn't know how to do it, so they built out of just dirt and things like that, right? But there is evidence that they were trying to build some more complex cultures in the Mississippi Valley and even parts of Florida. And off of there, that there's a little bit of evidence that some things were going on, but no, like, megalithic building or anything. But I think that there was influence that had spilled over from south of there, from, like, the ancient Mayan Aztec region.

And there was ideas and things coming in. That's why we find it in Mississippi and other areas, which is closer to the Gulf of Mexico and being able to travel right down the Yucatan. Okay. But having said that, though, the United States, just to paint everybody a picture. Yeah, there you go. The United States 13,000 years ago was an absolutely horrible place to be it was miserably cold very dry randall carlson talks about this all the time it was a place that would have been inhospitable north of say texas and florida and mississippi in those areas down there which is why we find most of the evidence of those

cultures there and then later woodland cultures made their way further north as the glaciers retreated but so we do find some ancient civilizations in like texas no no um not texas but others like east of there we find them in i said like i said mississippi and parts of louisiana and up through that area like illinois but i'm just saying that because so many people in the united states this is bringing back to why we said this, they have national pride and that's fine. That's been something that's been instilled on us for a long time. But because of that, they're almost less likely to want to know about other parts of the world and

they want to know more about here. So I'm like, sorry guys, they just, it was inhospitable here. They don't, you just don't have much evidence for it. And some are going to yell at me right now and say,

what about the grand Canyon and everything? Well, we don't have much evidence for it and some are going to yell at me right now say what about the grand canyon and everything well we don't have any evidence any of that's actually true and for you if you want well if you want to know there's a story supposedly of someone uh an explorer that went down the grand the grand canyon they found an ancient egyptian cave with artifacts and different things like that there is that's well that's a story i don't find any evidence to support it anywhere so i'm not i'm gonna because a lot of people send me messages like hey when you're gonna talk about the grand canyon and all these different things well and i throw it out there like devil's watchtower in wyoming that is not an ancient tree that is a volcanic dike from a volcano that eroded around it and the central basalt remained we got to be really

careful this actually may lead in exactly what you want to remained. We got to be really careful. This actually may lead in exactly what you want to talk about. We need to be very careful with just because something looks similar to something and we don't have a scientific background to understand it. I'm a self-trained geologist, scientist, archaeologist, ancient history researcher. I've dabbled in so many things because if you don't, how are you going to know what you're talking about that's right and so i do pride myself on that i spent my life being a big nerd it's okay i don't mind that it's worked out for you thank you i don't mind that but the problem is if you have someone that and i'm gonna piss some people off with this but that's okay that's all right that's what we're here for if you have someone that comes along that doesn't

have a geologic background, okay, and they don't know what they're looking at, and they don't have any understanding of geology in terms of how stone forms and different things like that, they're going to be very easy to jump on natural structures and think that they're ancient. The biggest one right now going is called the Sage Wall in Montana. Okay? Tell me about that. Your friend, Jimmy Corsetti. My friend? I don't know Jimmy Corsetti. Okay. Jimmy put a

video out on that a little while ago where... It was a joke. I'm just kidding. Okay. I never met that guy. I know, I know. There's a video he put out a little while ago where he's talking about the Sage Wall and all these things, right? The problem is, how about somebody look at that glacial map we had up and go see how close those glaciers were in Montana and how completely impossible it

would be for any culture to ever live in Montana before the younger drives there though. I don't think I saw this one. The idea is that there's these stones in Northern Montana. Okay. That are fractured based on freezing and cooling because they're in a very cold climate and over time those fractures look like they were stones that were built okay you can't have evidence of a lost civilization with no evidence

of it around it you can't have just just one little anomaly and nothing else ancient civilizations would all always leave behind something. And if they created something incredible, it would have to be a pretty significant civilization to do that. Because you can't have a culture that has primitive means to then create something incredible. They would have to have the resources, the time, right? You'd have to have a certain kind of civilization that's reached a certain maturity to be able to even create anything like we're talking about. So we've got to be very careful just to lump any culture in the past to be able

to do these things. No, that's not how it worked. But also in the case of the Sagewell in Montana, that area would not only have been under glaciation at times because it moved up and down, but it would have been literally inhospitable. There probably wasn't even life there. I mean that, probably not even life. Even animals that are rugged rugged like moose and bears and things that area would have been there wouldn't be any food it would have been it would be like like a barren wasteland in that area now there's always jimmy's case for this it's just that the stones and it's getting attention because it looks like they're megaliths but that's it you're saying that's it they're they're they're in a way where they're cracked where it looks like

someone took a bunch of stones like we see in other parts of the world and put them together and so with someone that doesn't have a background on climatology and geology they're going to immediately jump on that be like oh my god look at those megaliths without even considering for a moment if an ancient culture could have lived there, if there's any evidence that an ancient culture was there, or like anything. We've got to be very careful to throw out all these accusations without having any evidence to back it up or having any background to be able to explain it. And I feel like that's no better right now as an example would be the rich hat structure of Maritania. Yeah, I hear this pronounced a couple different ways. Rich hat, rich art. Rich art richard richard whatever richard richard okay so there are and this i did want to talk with you about jimmy made some really interesting videos about that and i would love to break it down

where basically he was saying this as you said this richard structure and mauritania has the geological makings of what could be atlantis and this has to do with something you had discussed on the previous podcast where you had solon from the ancient greek empire go to visit seis in egypt yes and he talked memory and he talked with a high priest there i think in one of the libraries or something sanchez okay so you know the name of the guy. He was the elder priest of the entire Temple of Sais. What did he say? That dude said it was like 9,000 years before Atlantis existed, and that would line up directly with the Younger Dryas. 9,000 years before Plato. And then if you add when Plato lived, you get 11,600 years ago, which is exactly when we find these catastrophes, according to the

Younger Dryas on Earth. Right. So, Jimmy was saying that there was also some writings that talked about concentric circles, two by land, three by sea. Is that right? Yeah. So, what that comes from is the Sanctus and the temple priests of Sais told Solon detailed descriptions of Atlantis. It was not this that he told him that it existed, but more so he actually gave them, they actually told him everything they knew about Atlantis. I think maybe they knew that they needed to do that. It was the only place that had recorded it. Well, imagine you're a priest and you're an elder priest and you're in this temple and you literally are the only ones that have like the story of atlantis because your

job as a temple priest of sace is to be an archaic library of history and they're also translating hieroglyphics is there a way they could have translated this incorrectly though no they're telling they're telling him like they're talking to him and they actually also said that the story of atlantis some and some of the things about that ancient past was written to the walls of the Temple of Sais. Now, that's outside Alexandria today in Egypt. It doesn't exist anymore because it was destroyed less than 500 years after that discovery by Plato. We never hear about the Temple of Sais ever again again which is really interesting it makes me wonder like somebody found out about that and went down and just wiped it out but i can tell you it disappeared from history and we don't know what ever happened to it ever again the temple of says and the elder priest and all that we never heard from them ever again how big was that place the temple of says was built on this peninsula next to the nile river And it was this really important location for them.

They looked out over the ocean, and they picked it because it was like this. The Mediterranean? Yeah, over the ocean. And they picked it because it was like a sacred spot, and they built this incredible temple. And they used it as a means, similar to the Library of Alexandria, but they built it more to be like a record of ancient history, of their ancient history, because the Egyptians were integrally connected to the Atlanteans, according to them. Okay?

So Plato finds out all these details from Solon and Socrates and Diodorus, all these individuals, and they – he writes down and records what they told him. Well, they must have written it down too, obviously, they didn't print it. So on obviously wrote everything down that Sanchez and the temple priest of Sais told him, right? And then he must have brought it all back and then showed them all. Well, Plato, so to fast forward, the reason why Jimmy is saying those claims about the rich-hot structure is that in those descriptions it's described what atlantis looks like like it's it describes it as having three eccentric lines of land with water

around it with a central island in the middle okay and that it opens up to the southwest and that it has mountains to the north just to be clear i think it's concentric right because people are picturing it so it's basically like circle yeah yeah concentric circles thank you yeah and that that description was very very well documented by plato very well documented if something's hypothetical why would you like literally describe it in such a specific way like that it doesn't and he even said it's not he said it's a real history. Anyway, in the descriptions, we get really, really good understanding of where Atlantis roughly is. Now, Randall Carlson, to me,

is the greatest mind that exists today on Atlantis history. I believe that he truly has unpacked it in a way that nobody has. How so? Well, he's taken the knowledge of Atlantis and then mapped it out geologically in climatology to like figure it out like he's basically looked at how if atlantis is

described as being found west of the pillars of hercules which is the straits of gibraltar but that it's a continent described as a continent in the middle of the atlantic ocean a small continent is described as a small continent of islands that have a central island with what's called the Temple of Poseidon in the center, okay? And that this city was the central city of Atlantis, but there were other cities. Now, the central city of Atlantis, you would come in from a boat and there would be an access point to the southwest, and then there'd be three eccentric lines of land, and the center was the Temple of Poseidon in the center of all their government. He describes it all really, really well.

The problem is that – here's the issue. The rich earth structure, which we have up there right now, is – for those who don't know, it's a gigantic geologic formation in Mauritania, Africa, which is Western Africa. And it is found near the Atlas Mountains. And Jimmy was digging into Herodotus, the ancient Herodotus map. He was a historian, as well as others who had it written names down there on ancient maps. One of them was like Atlanta or something or atlanta something similar to atlantis in that area um as well as one of the biggest things that he dug into with this was the kings of maritania because the kings of maritania and this is true i agree with him on this

i do think that this is part of the atlantean region well i don't want to say it's not okay alessi can you pull up the map of where this is where the richard structure is and probably a satellite image above it too after just like in relation to the continent of africa because i have a question about this so he's going to pull it up we'll put it in the corner screen but essentially on the western part of africa this is fairly inland oh yeah this is this is way inland this is this is more than 50 to 100 miles inland. Right, so we have it right there. This is pretty far.

Can you put terrain on for me, bud? Is there a... Bottom left. Hit that. Is there a... That's good. Is there a... That's good.

Geologic explanation as to how when the Younger Dryas period happened, if this had existed, say, on the coast, it now exists there. So when we look at the Younger Dryas, we do need to recognize that there were catastrophes that were devastating on the earth. And there were plate movements in some places. The best evidence for that is we see that down in South America. There is definitely some plate movements with the Andes. Now, having said that, though, we don't have any evidence geologically that it was able to uplift entire continents, okay, by over a thousand feet. Now, that structure in Mauritania is at over 1,500 feet elevation.

So, over a thousand feet elevation above the ocean. Now, what I want to point out that's fascinating is you see that area of sand that flows from the Northeast. It looks like just this bright sand and goes all the way to the ocean on the West side of the Maritania. Not that, below it, that whole thing. If you zoom in on that for a minute, specifically more towards like the area of the Richat, at right there that mountain right there in the center yeah look at how the sand you see how it looks yeah it's like almost like i agree with jimmy that that was a massive flood went through there you see evidence that the mediterranean looks like it flooded with a tsunami that actually overflowed in northern africa and then flowed all

the way across the sahara and met with the Atlantic Ocean. Can you zoom way out for a minute while we're talking about that for a second? So you show you how big that is. Just zoom out. Keep going. Try to imagine. You see how that huge depression in the center there? Yes. Okay, now keep going up and now look where the Mediterranean is. Look. Look all the way to Egypt. You can almost see where the sand moves between the mountains. Exactly. Now imagine

a tsunami so big wipes out the ancient Egyptians, wipes out the whole region. We find salt. We find salt encrusted over 50 feet up on the pyramids of Giza. Alessi, can you go east past Libya for a sec?

Okay. So there's Egypt over there. Right. So it looks like the wave must have come in right at Tunisia. Tunisia, yeah. Yeah, right in that area, right there. You can see that.

And then you can see more similar ideas over by Egypt. Now, so imagine enormous tsunamis flowing over this region. Enormous. Yeah, look at some by the way go over to like saudi arabia there's another one you can see you can see that word flowed right in yeah exactly imagine sand moving from massive waves and i mean massive sometimes over a mile high okay and they're moving across the region and they they did go across that during

the younger dryas i believe that that is remnants from the Younger Dryas, from enormous water flowing across the land, okay? Problem is, though, that that Maritania area with the Richat structure is at 1,500 feet elevation. And, if we want,

Plato gives measurements of how big the concentric circles are at Atlantis. He gives exacts. He calls them, they're in stadias. It's like the ancient Greek measurement for a certain distance, right? He measures them and gives exact measurements for it. When you go and you try to measure the rich structure, it's like three to four times as big.

It is way too big. When I mean way too big, it's- How big is the rich structure? The rich structure is massive. big it is way too big what i mean way too big how big is the richard structure the richard structure is massive it's it's like uh it's over half a mile across it is absolutely huge if you want to go back west i'll show you where it is 25 miles no that can't be it no it probably is yeah i don't have the exact i'm not i don't have the exact dimensions on it but zoom right in on that for me yeah it says 25 mile right there i don't know if that's so 25 miles a mile that's not that big oh i know i didn't know that's why i just said

more i didn't know exactly how big it was thank you for clarifying that alessi so over to 25 miles across that is insane yeah but even that seems small for what atantis, I mean, maybe not. Try not to think of Atlantis as being that city. Manhattan's a seven-mile island, right? Try to imagine it's more like that's a city within a landmass, not the whole thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay? And that's an enormous city.

Gotcha. And I don't, so that's why I don't think, Raynal brings up a lot of other really good points. Number one, the elevation's way too high. Number two, there's no remnants of anything on the ground that have ever been connected to ancient civilizations or history. There have been expeditions that have gone there on the ground and have looked at it, and they're very underwhelming. What does he think it is? Well, it's – Randall has – and I agree with Randall on this. It's – and I think it does actually agree with the mainstream is that there was an ancient volcano here, an ancient volcano that had basalt rings around it.

And over time, it eroded to create this massive circular dome like that. Could it have eroded for the younger dryas coming through? That probably helped erode it, but it was probably eroding a lot older than that. I mean, I think – I mean, I should say not – in my case, I'm not referring to like as much erosion versus I'm saying more of like a catastrophic – Yeah, like I imagine – like if you look at geologic history or something like that, that was probably formed like a million years ago. Wow. So this is not – and here's the interesting thing. I will give Jimmy credit on this. The Mauritanian kings have some – there's some connection there.

The kings of Maritania. Well, if you look into the lineage of the kings of Maritania, they talk about how the first king was called Atlas. And Atlas is related to the Atlantic Ocean and is related to all the lore and the talk about how there were divine kings. Diodorus discusses this, divine kings that had ruled the region and that Atlantis was more than just that one landmass that they were governing a pretty enormous area to the point where – remember that ancient Tibetan map that was found in 1901? Yes. In Tibet. It showed the region of Atlantis going from the Pillars of Hercules, the Atlantic, all the way to the Caribbean, all the way to the Yucatan. And that's where I get confused too because then I start thinking of it completely that way rather than when we're focused here, we're focused on maybe the central –

Well, it was a capital. Like any place, there was a capital, right? They're Washington, D.C. But what do we call it when we talk about the lost city of Atlantis? Right, right. And then we refer to the entire thing as Atlantis when maybe we need need to make the distinction there i'm just throwing this one out there that we need to refer the city as atlantis the greater thing is the but but civilization we could call that okay all right and then the city well um actually it wasn't even called the city wasn't even called

atlantis isn't that funny that we'd bring that up right now what was it called it was it was poseidon fuck that atlantis is a way better name. Well, the central island had the temple of Poseidon and the entire city was built after Poseidon. The entire thing was built in honor of this great, which by the way, Where did we get the name Atlantis from? Well, Atlantis comes from the Atlantic Ocean. And because- And we just made that up, historians later? It came from the kings of Atlas, who were the direct lineage that came out of Atlantis from the kings of Meritania, which is why I said there's a connection there yes so i do agree that this region did have an ancient history and i do think that it's possible that if and randall even admitted this

too that there was remnants of atlantis who they were in the area but i don't think and randall doesn't think either and i want to speak for him but based on the scientific evidence and understanding climatological history and understanding what Plato said about the central city of Atlantis, that this is that. It just happens to look really similar. It just, that's it. And that's the same thing as a sage wall in Montana or Devil's Watchtower, that volcanic dike that's in Wyoming. That was not an ancient tree okay just because it looks like that doesn't mean it is sage wall was not an ancient wall it was simply just a set of granite cliffs that split when you get micro amounts of water in

between them and you get a flash freeze you split rock it's actually really easy to split rock when it freezes alessi can you google something real quick because we can't play jimmy's video obviously because it's copyright but can you google summary of jimmy corsetti's points right atlantis right case let's see if we can get because it's like it opens up to the southwest it has mountains to the north it has three eccentric lines of of land with water that's what he's that's what essentially he's jumping on yeah yeah yeah let's do that and of course he made it on joe talking about that but go back go back go up what's that first one atlantis reloaded okay i'm gonna start reading this. This is an article from July 25, 2023 on diggingupancientaliens.com. The Atlantis story may be one of those myths that inspire numerous theories and speculations, but what happens if we apply a scientific approach to the story told by Plato and his works to Maus and Critias?

It's a little small, the text, sorry. Yeah. We open the archaeologist's toolbox and a historical approach to the literary works of Plato. How does Plato's story hold up, and was he really trying to give us a literal account from a philosophical perspective? Oh, you know what? This is a write-up for episodes that are on youtube right there what are the historical sources no it's just going through he just i can tell you what he uses if you can't find it go the jimmy corsetti mistake as we have seen claiming to have found the location of atlantis

to miss is to miss the point a bit of plato's story but jimmy corsetti claims to have found what he believes is atlantis's actual location the richard structure the issue is that when you can throw a dart on the world map the issue is that you can throw a dart on a world map wherever it lands the likelihood of someone claiming is the location of atlantis is quite significant people have suggested places all over the world to be the inspiration locations of atlantis my favorite claims are claus rudbeck who said who in 1679 suggested gamia upsala in sweden be atlantis we also have a finnish tour guide or accent or eccentric ian bach who claimed atlantis to be in finland just because the numerous claims of atlantis location this does not invalidate

corsetti's claim sorry there are some typos here so i'm struggling reading it but it does raise a bit of a red flag when we encounter these types of claims suppose sweden bahamas malta america and india are possible locations in that case something is a bit off since they are so incredibly different to be fair corsetti did not come up with this idea he repeats the claims by george alexander and natalis rosen made in their 2018 documentary visiting atlantis yeah i went with corsetti's video because it's publicly available on youtube George Alexander and Natalis Rosen made in their 2018 documentary Visiting Atlantis. Yeah. I went with Corsetti's video because it's publicly available on YouTube and is a more

extensive spread. Let's look at the claims themselves. Corsetti claims that the rich art structure is a good fit because it has concentric rings. This is true. The formation that consists of an eroded dome had sedimentary rock visible that looks like rings. We know quite a lot of the site's geology that has been known since at least the 1940s. The dome was what I can find described from a journal

by Frenchman Richard Millard in 1948. Later, the French naturalist Theodore Mond launched an expedition in the 50s, resulting in further publications on the area. In the beginning, the Richard Dome was often referred to as Richard Crater. For some time, there was an idea that was formed by a meteoric impact. We today know a lot about the structure and how it was formed. In 2005, for example, Matten et al. published a paper clearly demonstrating the formation of the dome and the geological processes involved. Now, I'm not a geologist, and I'm sure I'd butcher the explanation of the processes from hypothermal info and magnetism in the structure and how hypothermal, I'm going to fuck that up, fluidization caused dissolving in the dome. The structure has been dated with argon, dated to be formed around 98.2 plus minus 2.6

million years ago. Yeah, so 100 million years ago. Okay. 100 million years ago. Well, let's read one more paragraph. But to say the least, we know quite a bit about the geological process in the area. All this makes Corsetti's statement that, quote, in fact, the Richard structure wasn't even discovered until the Gemini 4 mission in 1965 and is now a common landmark utilized by astronauts, unquote, a bit odd, to say the least. Since Jimmy Corsetti doesn't give his sources for the videos, say where he got this, I can only tell you that this is entirely wrong, something that makes his explanation of the formation even weirder because he gets the process almost correct, except he says that this can't be proven. I suspect that Corsetti has not read any of the studies on the dome, but repeats secondary sources that leave information out, showing us that we can all be victims of fraud and the importance of checking the sources.

Wow. Wow, that's quite an ending there damn i really like those videos well i think it's important that we talk about where like randall carlson and i based on the evidence think atlantis was okay well based on the descriptions i think there's some very plausible and you want to pull up hey can you scroll over can you go to the azores for me yeah has jimmy responded to some of randall's stuff on that i'd love to see that i don't know you could have just stayed on where you were bud you know okay he knows what what happened oh and out of focus on that he he he basically i mean he's put together like a lot of good stuff. That seems unfortunate right there, but I'd love to hear him go at it with Randall to try to figure this out.

Satellite? Okay. Stay there for a minute. Okay. So the Mauritanian structure is down in Africa on that corner there, sort of near that dark area of sand. Now above it, you can see Spain, Portugal, and the Straits of Gibraltar right there. Yes. Now Plato's descriptions – I agree 100% with Randall on this.

Plato's descriptions are incredibly accurate for, and Randall is very cautious saying that he doesn't think Atlantis there. He thinks it's the most likely location, and I respect that. I agree. I think the most likely location geologically, climatologically, and looking at and reading the descriptions from the Timaeus and Cretaceous is that that location – look at the ocean for a second. So that is called the Azores. It's a set of volcanic islands that sticks above the ocean. Now notice – do you see how the landmass is really, really dark, or the water is very dark blue all around it? Yes. But notice in the center, you have a giant area that has what looks like more shallow land. You see that?

Yes. Okay. That is what's called an ancient sunken continent. Because it is found at the location not of two, but of three plates. Three tectonic plates interact there you get the mid-atlantic ridge and you also get coming in from the eurasian side another plate that bumps up against that whoa now they're not coming together they're what's called pulling apart okay so imagine we determine that you have so imagine plates can do three things plate tectonics in the earth basically

that's what represents all the changes that undergo in a major way with the earth like volcanoes going off it's often because plates will shift a little bit right and you get something that disturbs it and will send off an earthquake or volcano plates will either come together right up over the top of each other or they'll subduct under each other. Or in some cases, they can even pull apart. Because, I mean, riding over each other and running each other is the same thing. So there's three things that it can do. And in this area, the way that the plates are interacting,

and this is going to blow your mind, is that they're pulling apart. Imagine a description of Atlantis being that parts of the landmass are like falling into the ocean. Yes. And then eventually in one night and day, the entire amount of the continent kind of sinks and disappears beneath the ocean. Well, it'd be very easy for that to happen if plates are pulling apart in a very significant way and a major event happens. Imagine that.

Two plates are pulling apart the land underneath it is all all these things are happening earthquakes and all these things and it literally just subducts itself the whole the whole entire continent literally subducts beneath the ocean and all that's left are the highest mountaintops of the volcanoes which become what we know of as the Azores. Whoa. God, you could just look at a map of the world and look at all these little spots around the world and even some of the big ones and just be like,

not that long. Right? It was in a totally different spot. And I want to show you one more thing. Can you go off of North America and keep that satellite image on? I want to show you one more thing that's been a while. Go west. Yep. Now go off of North America and keep that satellite image on. I want to show you one more thing that's been a while. Go west. Yep, now go off of... You see that light area off of North America

off of where we are right now? That's called the Continental Divide. Yes, now follow that down off of New Jersey and New York. I want you to see something really quick. Zoom in right there where it gets deep. Go right along the edge of that shelf. Yeah, go a little bit south though. Like more towards... Yeah, right there. Zoom in on the edge of that, really Yeah, go a little bit south, though. Like more towards, yeah, right there. Zoom in on the edge of that, really.

Go in, close. Keep going. Those. Do you know what those are? No. Those canyons, and you can get closer to the divide if you want. Yes. Now follow those up.

Now see how many there are. If you keep going along that, notice all of them. Just along the edge, though, along the edge of the shelf. Keep going north or something or south. You see them all? See how many there are. If you keep going along that, notice all of them. Just along the edge, though. Along the edge of the shelf. Keep going north or something or south. You see them all? See how many there are? Yes. Now, what that means is that during the Younger Dryas, the Ice Age, the land

of the United States came out almost all the way to there. You can just follow it. It's very, very easy to see. And then the glacier through its melting added that sea? The oceans then flooded over and then drowned all those areas okay whoa you see how extensive that shelf is now i want to add another layer to you go back go into go into some of those canyons right there right in front of you right below you approximate and if you don't know this off the top of your head no worries approximately how deep does it get on the upper shelf it goes from only

four five hundred like several hundred feet deep to thousands right away instantly yeah like the titanic's yes far down like titanic's 12 000 feet down yeah okay now that's far now imagine for a minute just just try to wrap your head around massive larentide larentide ice sheet moving down it's very cold and imagine an event happens that event maybe solar activity uh cosmic impact that's up for debate during the younger dryas and or maybe there was two events on either end but either way imagine that glacier two miles deep covering half the entire north America melting. Okay. That is... Now, let's add on... You see those canyons?

Over how long a period of time? When you snap your finger. 50 to 100 years. Maybe less. We don't know. Randall talks about it, how fast some of these events could occur. We don't know. Maybe years. Maybe less. Again, I have to like... We have to try to imagine some of these could have occur? We don't know. Maybe years, maybe less. Again, I have to like,

we have to try to imagine some of these could have been even shorter than that. So now those canyons, now there's even a national ocean sanctuary for those canyons called something about Seamont National Canyons, you look it up in the United States, where they actually went out and because they're so deep and so significant geologically, they protected the area. And they created seamount national preservation areas for them. The reason I'm trying to say that is, those canyons, you ready? Those canyons, some of them are deeper than the Grand Canyon. And?

They're in the ocean. So I've seen videos of stuff like this yeah they're but you're saying that something like the grant the obvious connotation i'm taking there is it's something like the grand canyon existed it may be a lower level before this and so the grand canyon because of where it is geologically didn't get sunk, but it does here. Yeah, well, imagine, though, more like massive outflows that are so insane coming off of that glacier. They're feeding all the way

off the continental divide and dropping off this like ledge-like structure that goes in, right? Yeah. But it's so much water that they're able to carve canyons that are thousands of feet deep

from a single event. That's what I'm talking about. This isn't over time. These aren't rivers that have been flowing for millions of years. Look at the outflow rivers on that. That may have come from a period of being created in like that, like instantly.

And I'm just, the reason I'm telling you that is think about the power behind that. The power behind all those glaciers flooding, creating canyons deep in the Grand Canyon, the continents like being submerged in some places. And then Atlantis, literally because of plate tectonics, just the whole piece of those continents just subducts into the ocean and disappears. And that's exactly how it's described, which is why the Azor Plateau is literally – it's a sunken plateau. It's a sunken continent.

It's the most perfect place. And I'd go further than Randall because he's more careful than I am. I'd say that was... Yeah, you got that right. I do believe that's where Atlantis was. You believe, point to it on the map. That right there. Right there. Yes. I believe that those tops of those mountains are the remnants of that continent.

And that everything described in that is pretty much perfect. Because you can look, that look at the underwater parts you can see where all the land mass and the islands tried to come up but they got they got submerged azores volcano unless he's searching something sure he's onto something like this is what what looked like it's a highly volcanic area see huge volcanoes yeah see i mean it has the past of that area at this place oh azores is beautiful man a gorgeous area i haven't been there yet but i would love to so the azores is an incredibly highly volcanic and uh dangerous area during certain times of history okay um and what's further is that plato discusses how atlantis had a lot of amazing animals, like elephants. Did you know that?

Yeah. And the interesting thing is that the Azores is found in this very, very warm area relative to its latitude because of the Gulf Stream. It's like a warmer area. Is it the Gulf Stream? The Gulf Stream is a current that comes off of Florida that flows up off the North America. And it makes things warmer? It's the only reason why most people can live in Sweden, Norway, Finland, and a lot of Northern Europe.

Only reason. God, I love learning stuff on this podcast. Okay. So let me explain ocean currents for a minute. Ocean currents are based on this interaction between warm, like ocean saltwater, and more dense freshwater. And what happens is when you have this perfect balance of the two, it creates this movement of energy, right? Heat. Heat moves up from the Bahamas and the Caribbean, and it moves off of Florida, and then it moves right up through the Atlantic Ocean.

And it's literally the only reason why people can live in Iceland. Iceland would be just a solid ice cap, just solid ice. But because the Gulf Stream brings this us warmer water up it allows places like that to have a much much much warmer climate than they should like for instance where we are right now we are like we're the same latitude as spain and yet spain is like a very mild place think about that for a second because of the gulf stream now Gulf Stream, though, is potentially has been a major component in how some of these disasters and ice ages and different events, I believe, are directly, directly related. Let me give you an example. Imagine you have an enormous ice cap that melts instantly and floods the ocean with fresh water.

There's what's called a desalination point where you can get so much fresh water that you actually disrupt the salt in the ocean in terms of that current and you can shut the current down. It's been shown throughout history that when the Gulf Stream shuts down, that it causes ice ages. Entire ice ages. That it's part of a cycle with the earth. That it seems to be in this perfect cycle where as the oceans become saltier again, the currents reflow and then it gets warmer. And then as the freshwater goes back in, then it flips around the other way. Then it gets cold again. And it seems to be part of a cycle on Earth with melting ice caps and then growing ice caps. The reason I'm saying that is that we have to try to imagine that that area was very mild and had elephants and all the plant descriptions and things that Plato describes.

Because today, the Azores is a very tropical and beautiful place. It's a really cool place. And furthermore, I want to add that there are even parts of Scotland, Scotland, that are on the warm side of the ocean, of the Gulf Stream, that they grow tropical plants. Palm trees and different tropical plants in a part of Scotland. I can't remember exactly where it is. Yeah, even, can you zoom out ever so slightly on the map alessi like just looking at this in action look at look at like where lisbon is online with in portugal it's online with like new york right and and yet they don't ever get snow or anything you see they don't right no that's why portugal so i don't want to speak no only in the mountains only in the mountains but that's why they um those entire all those

areas can exist in the way they do is because of the gulf stream entirely because of that and then if you look at the united kingdom i mean shit it's online and not that it gets warm there but it's online with like newfoundland if there was no gulf stream the united kingdom and ireland would be an ice cap which is why i don't think there's if there was no gulf stream the united kingdom and ireland would be an ice cap which is why i don't think there's any there's no lost civilization evidence there because all those areas were under glaciers yeah in the context of world history they're a new exactly development that's that's the point i'm trying to make this is how we do this is a prime example of why we don't think back too far because we think of the UK as like, oh, the old UK.

The very old British. They're young. No, they're very young. Relatively. Yes. And that's the point I make is that before we make these wild accusations about lost civilizations and places, we need to have a little climate history and a little background geologically to be able to understand what those places were like during that. It's very important. Like, for instance, Egypt and northern Africa was lush and incredible during that time.

There wasn't any deserts in Egypt at all. Northern Africa was a very lush grasslands and forests. It was a completely different place than it is now. Completely different. And then, of course, places like i just said northern europe were literally under a complete ice cap smaller than the laurentide but still significant so it's it's amazing i mean um i want to add one more thing about this that i want to mention to you uh in 1900 there was a man named edwardll that traveled, and I hope I didn't talk about this in the last one, but he traveled up to what's called the New Siberian Islands.

Okay? And what he found was really incredible. He found a 30-foot alder tree that had leaves on it that were still green that was frozen and completely frozen instantly and along with that he also found enormous amounts of mammoths and other creatures that had frozen instantly and died what's what's fascinating though is if you look at those greenland ice core sheets um can you pull it up for me leslie can you type in graham hancock um ice core chart it'll be the fastest way to grab it i want to show you something on that. I was listening to Graham this morning in the gym.

Second one. The second one right there. Pull that up really quick. Full screen if you can. What am I seeing here? I'm sorry. That's not the right one. Go back for a second.

That's not the one below it to the right. Bottom right of your screen. No, go back. Right here? I'm sorry. That's not the right one. Go back for a second. That's not the one below it to the right. Bottom right of your screen. No, go back. Right here? Yes, that. Thank you. Open that up. I consider that the best representation from what I've looked at for how the Greenland Ice Corps are portrayed.

Because sometimes you get portrayals of them that's not accurate. I think there's a little bit of bias in there. That's fine. Yeah, stay with that. Okay. That's fine. Yeah, stay with it. Okay. That's fine. So you see the area that's highlighted in pink? Yes.

That's known as the Younger Dryas. Almost everybody talks about that, focuses on that, and discusses it because at the end of the pink, where the pink ends, is this period where we go into the Holocene. And it's the interglacial period where you can see there's a rapid rise in temperatures. Do you see that? That rapid rise in temperatures coincides exactly with 11,600 years ago with the disappearance of Plato. They're exactly aligned. Now, I want to also point something out to you even more significant. Look at the area before the pink. Do you see that massive spike that's to the right? Yes, where it goes, yeah. That's called the older dryas.

Now, that spike, that temperature spike, literally means that the Earth, for a very short amount of time, look, for a very short amount of time, reached almost as warm as we are now. Right in the middle of the ice age. What caused it to have such a spike for just a moment? Because, well, that's the debate if there was a coronal mass ejection or um or if it was a cosmic impact something happened right there and that is that's at 14 500 years

ago and most people don't talk about that and i don't know why i think that if you were any if you're going to talk about the younger dryas disasters you have to talk about both the older dryas and the Younger Dryas. Now that temperature spike, that temperature spike comes out of a very cold period, right there on 14.5, okay? That time period coincides

exactly with the story I just told you, I believe, with why Edward Toll can go up to New Siberian Islands up in the Arctic Circle and find a fig tree that had somehow managed to grow 30 feet tall. There are no trees in the New Siberian Islands, okay? There's only grasses. You can't grow trees up there. So for him to find a 30-foot fig tree, alder tree, that had green leaves that was frozen, Now look, massive temperature spike out of nowhere,

really warm for a couple hundred years. And then a drop so significant that at the bottom of that pink, it got even colder than the ice age. Look at that. Wow. So it gets super warm, incredibly cold, even colder than before. And then really, really warm again, like a runaway way. How long is that period from peak to trough? 2,000 years. And what's the temperature difference? It goes from, this is temperature in central Greenland. Yeah, this is Greenland, but it just gives you a snapshot of the rest of the world.

Okay. That's like the idea. It goes from, shit shit it's minus 35 in central greenland yeah or minus 30 ish right now minus 32 look at warm it gets and then it gets all the way down to minus 46 so it that okay that's a big change so what we're talking about is um is, a scenario, where because of certain things that interacted with the Earth, I believe that that first spike is what was the first iteration that destroyed these lost civilizations. Imagine they were destroyed in two parts. The first spike at 14 and a half, and then the 11,600 years when Atlantis – it's like a big event on the front side and then a big event on the end of it.

How old, again, were those pyramids that were found underwater 2,000 feet deep or whatever it was off the coast of Cuba? How old do we think they are? Well, Iteralde, the Cuban geologist, great guy, he was looking – it's interesting because he was looking at geology because he's an expert. He's the expert on geology in Cuba, hands down. That's what he does. He was looking – he knows the history of Cuba and the geology of the region. And he was saying that in order for that, those set of structures that we talked about before being 2,000 feet underwater, the only way that could have been possible is if they were 50,000, more than 50,000 years old because he was looking at the way that the land masses geologically have changed and he found in 50,000 years ago that something else happened by the way alessi that's not um that one actually is not i don't consider that one very valid it shows warmer temperatures before the younger driest than after doesn't make sense to me so make sure you be careful on that okay i didn't see that yeah it's a skeptic magazine yeah i don't know what that that image is let's not put that shirmer i guess

yeah that one's like the opposite of what it should be so let's let's not use that yeah but what's this data on that because that's you know that's a dissenting argument that doesn't make sense how could you have an ice cap if temperatures are warmer in the past during it than they are now we don't have ice now that doesn't make any sense that just blow that throw that whole thing out that's doesn't that's silly that's ridiculous um but anyway getting back to that you can see that i need to get shirmer in here with you you can get the few see the first peak at 14.5, right? 14,500 years and then a big event at the end of the pink where that – those two things are what I believe destroyed nearly every single lost civilization around the world. But what we're talking about with the Cuban ruins there – Yeah.

I'm just going to call them that. Sure. That's way before this, Matt. Oh, yeah. So how old do you think the pyramids are? Well, that's getting back to this. Remember I told you? That's what I'm, Matt. Oh, yeah. So how old do you think the pyramids are? Well, that's getting back to this. Remember I told you? That's what I'm saying is I believe –

Well, this is an image, and we're pointing at this chart. We can put it on the corner screen again. That's why I put the Kef Box Relief and Ionis and all those sites is I believe that those are way over 20,000 years old. And I mean way over because, again, it doesn't make sense to have those other civilizations emerge and then disappear and then have this it doesn't it doesn't make sense i think it was all from the same time period but a very very long time period this whole thing you're seeing in front of you if you take the sumerian version the sumerian epic and then some time gap between and then the era civilization,

then the lost civilizations. I think we're talking about a time period that's over 50,000 years long, not 50,000 years ago. Because he points out that Atlantis, if that structure of Cuba would have been, would have subducted to that point, it would have had to have been 50,000 years ago. The interesting thing is that it also aligns with the sumerian kings list as being the kings reigning a lot older and i want to add a big one for you a big one big big big one in egypt there's something called zep tepe we talked about this i think zep tepe means the first time okay it means the first time and in their descriptions if we go to a temple called edfu edfu okay can you pull up edfu really quick for us in edfu there is a whole so much nicer having him here to do this time rather than my dumb ass there is a there's a inscriptions written

into the wall there that talk about this prime primordial ancient time before the pharaohs of egypt and it discusses a home it's actually like a homeland continent this is it yeah this is called edfu temple of edfu okay now this is what's really weird if you look at sonar images of that sunken city of cuba i kid you not i was i just did a whole episode of i just literally finished that episode with gaio and i when i worked with them for ancient civilization season um season six or season five i mean when we analyze the sonar images from the sunken city of cuba not the ones you've seen there's actually other ones that are yes there's more there's other ones the other one yes they're not not publicly available no they are, though, is that someone, an artist, took those other ones and then interpreted what you saw.

I found out about that. Yes, yes, yes. I know that. The original ones, if you look at the main pyramid area, and I've studied it very extensively and measured it and looked at all of it, it looks exactly like the Temple of Edfu. And I mean— In what ways? You see how the Temple of Edfu has two massive columns of stone that are square on either end with a central piece that connects them? That design matches almost identically, and I mean that,

looking at it to the underwater structures of Cuba. It looks almost exactly the same. Now, again, getting back to what we were saying, it's Edfu. In those walls on that, it describes the ancient history of Egypt, but in a way that is not the mainstream way. It discusses this time before the pharaohs

and how there was this homeland of ancient, ancient, primordial Egypt that wasn't there. It's like talking about Atlantis. I believe it's talking about Atlantis. It's talking about another place that was their homeland and that it was destroyed and that they built up Egypt at a time that was called Zep Tepi.

Now, Zep Tepi means the first time, and it refers to this time far before the pharaohs and those that came later um but the idea that's really interesting is that zeptepi if you take then you take the great sphinx we can maybe figure out when that was let me tell you why yeah okay so the great sphinx that used to be a lion he's it's named that because of Leo. Okay? Leo is a constellation that it was facing.

And it was doing that in an energetic way. Remember all the stuff we talked about yesterday in the other podcast? The hermetic laws of as above, so below. That was a foundation of these ancient lost civilizations. That was the core of them. They knew that. And so, excuse me. So, when you take the Great Sphinx

and you try to align it during different time periods, they've done this, like, for instance, Graham and Robert Breval and Johnny the West, they all did this with the Great Pyramid of Egypt, too. You take the Queen and the King's Chamber and you try to align them to different star constellations. I'm sure you've heard of that. And they say, okay, well, the king's chamber aligns to Sirius, right?

Or Orion, I'm sorry. The king's chamber aligns to Orion and that's a male masculine energy and that aligns to that constellation. And the queen's chamber, the feminine energy, aligns to Sirius. Okay? Now, the argument that Graham and a lot of these great heroes of our past have been wanting to make to change history and say that this isn't right, what we're being told, is that when we're told that the ancient Egyptians built those, say, like 4,000 years ago or 5,000 years ago or something, right? The alignments to those stars don't add up. They don't match at all, not even close. In fact, if you look at precession and you look at how things align with the stars, you can take computer programs and you can actually map it. You can map where and when different places were facing different constellations

based on the movements of the Earth. And what they found is that the last time that Sirius, Orion were aligned to the Great Pyramid of Egypt, and then the last time that the Great Sphinx was facing Leo was, again, like 13,000 years ago. But there's a really big problem with that. And I don't know, this may be the first time that you've heard this or a lot of people i i would like to challenge that very much and i will say that based on the evidence of how completely chaotic the environment was during that time atlantis is sinking and all this stuff that it doesn't make sense to think that those structures like the great pyramids of egypt and the sphinx are 13 000 years old because even though they align to the star constellations

during that time how would they have been build these incredible things during absolutely chaotic events on the earth with tsunamis and devastation well then when was the last time well what about before that when did it align when did it align before that to Sirius, Orion, and then Leo? When? Well, you got to go back really far. You got to go back so far, you got to go back nearly 40,000 years ago. In fact, exactly 38,000 years ago. Exactly 38,000 years ago is when the Great Pyramids of Egypt aligned exactly with Sirius and Orion, as well as the great Sphinx facing Leo 38,000 years ago. Now let's wrap it all around. Go start. Yeah, please. Let's say the Sumerians are over a hundred thousand years old originally,

and the story is way older than we think. And the Ararat civilization is actually older than 50,000 years old. And then let's imagine they then pass knowledge and it travels around the world and these lost civilizations build all these amazing things and then Atlantis emerges out of part of like a super civilization out of that, like we would today. And then the ancient Athenians rise up to become like a powerful civilization too.

Well, we're told, and if you just, if you read Plato and you read ancient Egyptian texts and all these things, that Atlantis came out of, or Egypt came out of Atlantis. That the survivors of Atlantis went to Egypt and then built all those incredible structures and places. If that's true, just for a moment, it would align with Zep Tepi exactly being 38,000 years ago because remember what Manuel said? That those ruins off of Cuba had to have been 50,000 years ago. And then now we're looking at the fact that Zep Tepi in Egypt, out of the ashes of Atlantis, some of the things that were going i mean atlantis wasn't destroyed then but i think that egypt was being founded way before atlantis was

actually destroyed so do you view like we had talked previously on previous episodes about some of the odd patterns as to where pyramids are found and and the what was it the 38th parallel 30th parallel 30th parallel are you insinuating here and correct me if i'm wrong that the pyramids are all built across a wide time of history and therefore it's not like they're being simultaneously built or anything like that but word is able to travel from different parts in the world to get across, say, oh, build something like this for the star constellations or something like that over a – I don't know. I'm going to throw out a random number, 20,000-year period or something. That's what it seems like because if you take Teotihuacan and how the pyramid – the three pyramids there and the three pyramids, the Great Pyramids of Giza, both aligned to Orion, specifically the three stars, the bell stars

of Orion, it shows you that there was this understanding that had traveled around the world to build these things. And that's why, like, Teotihuacan had nothing to do with the Aztec. Had nothing to do with them. It was a much more ancient structure. And if you look at the stories of the Aztec, they claim they found it.

They discovered it and then and then incorporated in their own culture that's that's what they described but the what you brought up is a great point is that there's a line above the equator where like the great pyramid of giza is built and then you get um eridu in iraq the ancient sumerian city is exactly on that spot and then persepolis in iran cities exactly on that spot. And then Persepolis in Iran is exactly on that spot. Exactly. So they would have had to know the ratio of the earth and everything to figure out where that was. Like how they could have known that? Like we have no idea.

We have no idea. But that's why I'm saying is we got to – That's potentially some interdimensional. If the Great Pyramid of Giza is a half ratio of our entire planet, perfectly aligned mathematically, to me that's like resonant energy component between the sun and the moon, but almost like a representation of half of Earth, but in a structure, as above, so below. How would they have been able to do that? How would they know half the ratio of the Earth, first of all? The measurement of it, to be able to mathematically create that?

If we were to try to build the Great Pyramid of Giza today, we would have to take two and a half million stone blocks, pile them on top of each other perfectly, and then somehow align the chambers to star constellations and be mathematically an exact ratio of half the earth i do not believe that we could even create the great pyramid of giza today with any of those mathematical perfections in any way and everyone's like oh we could do it has anyone ever attempted to there's a big pyramid in scotland that they built that it's but it's not even like we pull that out it's not even comparable though to anything like the ancients did when did they build it that wasn't that long ago it's not old it's not ancient it's but even comparable though to anything like the ancients did when did they build it that wasn't that long ago it's not old it's not ancient it's but someone i'm saying someone

attempted to 10 years or like 200 i'm not sure if alessi wants to pop it up um pyramid in scotland it's just um i think it's less than less than 200 years i can't remember exact date on prince albert's con the great pyramid of scotland there you go right there and how big is this approximately it's not that big though like compared to the great pyramid of giza it's not it doesn't look There you go, right there. And how big is this approximately? It's pretty impressive. It's not that big, though. Like, compared to the Great Pyramid of Giza, it's not. It doesn't look, but sometimes, like, it doesn't. Right.

The landmark, and it's one of 11 within the Balmoral estate. Oh, wait, this is at Balmoral? Yeah. What? I've been there, too, you know. You've been to Balmoral? Castle, yeah. Like, in it? No, no, I've seen it.

I haven't been inside. No, I've seen it from the outside. For inside. No, I've seen it from the outside. For people out there, that's like the second residence. Well, I guess like the third residence of the royal family. I know. I went to the games they have and the queen was there when I was there. When was that?

A couple years ago. R.I.P. Queen. Like 10 years ago or something. So how big is it? That's the thing. Compared to the Great Pyramid. Oh, look at the dude standing next to it. It's tiny. Look, that's really tiny. Yeah, it's tiny.

So for us to say that we can do that. Yeah, when you're sitting next to one stone by the Great Pyramid of Giza, you look. It's not one stone, but yeah, you get the point is that we keep saying we can do these things, but I don't think we can. And I think that that's part of why we should really revere these lost civilizations and the knowledge they were trying to hand down and

pass to us because they seem to understand the components of our reality, our earth, our reality, the universe, the stars around us, the constellations, who we are, what our potential is, how to achieve that, how to achieve balance and harmony of everything. It's like they understood all of it. Do you, how much do you look into the power plant theory of like the pyramid of Giza? I think that all those theories are really great in terms of providing an alternate look at what it could have been because it certainly wasn't a tomb.

There's never been any, any Pharaoh ever found at any of the three great pyramids ever yeah ever right so none of them those three structures and the great sphinx and things like the valley temple were created by that lost egyptian civilization that one that is that tepe that original one that we talked about and if they give the if we get the the year of the date of 38,000 years ago, the really interesting thing is that it would align with that time period like the geologists talk about and others about this upheaval on the earth and all these things that were happening that could justify some of these extreme things we see during that. Okay. What are we looking at here, Alessi? Yeah. So on the internet, a lot of people not just point to this guy, but they point to this dude's mentality and how he approached to building this structure. And he did it by hand. And I've never heard someone counter it.

And I want to hear what someone says to this because this is impressive. Because Coral Castle is probably the same thing. Okay. Let's see. All right. Where's my mouse? This guy. And who? So. This is some guy from Michigan.igan interesting and what is he doing he's essentially by hand he's showing you how he was able to move heavy stones and structures he said he essentially went out to be like all right people who say they we couldn't build the pyramids or stonehenge i want to show you how from these structures we can. And he's using all these measurements

and it's all by hand. Which is like fascinating. The problem with that though is, let's for a second imagine how tall the Great Pyramid of Egypt is. Can you get the dimensions for us really quick, Alessi? Yeah. He's building a tiny structure.

How could you possibly get multi-ton blocks over 100 feet on top of the pyramid? Big ramps? Seriously. Yeah, it gets weird. It gets even weirder. How about we go in the king's chamber and you have over 50 to 100 ton granite blocks that are literally built on top of these cathedral-like hallways and tunnels that, like, you can't even reach the top of them.

Yeah, it gets weird. So how you could be able to move and put things in there, even for us, would be an incredible challenge. But I don't even think that that's the biggest deal in terms of us being able to carve them and move them. I'm not saying we can't do that, but how would we align them mathematically in that kind of perfection? And how would we even move them to the tops? Like if they had a crane and they had a 50-ton block, how would a crane be able to – even a crane – be able to put that on top and stack all those perfectly, let alone no cranes and no technology around during that time period that they were building them yeah this is when i when i had luke caverns in here and and he he was talking about the i think it's a great pyramid of kufu and well that's giza great pyramid giza same thing right so making the case that they i'm getting some mixed up so i want to make sure yeah kufu is that pharaoh they claimed was buried there

that's right right right right right so he was making the case that it was actually potentially made exactly when they say you know in like minus 2000 bc or whatever it was and it had to do with some of the tree wood found in the pyramid but what i love about luke is he's wide open he is open to being wrong about stuff he just presents evidence as he sees it and also recognizes other evidence that goes right in the face of his argument. And one of that, one of those we were talking about was just where they got the stone from. That's the other thing. And how far it was. We already talked about that. And before, even when we got there, and I'm trying to remember all the specifics of this.

Again, how well they could have been able to maneuver it to get it into place it gets really really hard so weird and so so weird in fact that we know that the granite blocks is a type of granite that comes from the aswan quarry we know that we've matched it up you can you can do that um but that as one quarry is almost 500 miles away from the great pyramids of giza now they're going to be like well they put them on boats and they went up the nile river and blah blah blah but at the end of the day none of that matches up because we're still looking at it through the lens of like a primitive egyptian culture that's what we need to get out of and i think that it's it's very obvious like for instance

the great the great sphinx was regarded to be a pharaoh they wrote hieroglyphs on all kinds of stuff they built on top of everything and before we know we think the a pharaoh. They wrote hieroglyphs on all kinds of stuff. They built on top of everything. And before we know it, we think the dynastic pharaohs of Egypt built everything. No, they just put a bunch of graffiti on stuff and then desecrated ancient, ancient pre-sites and then claimed them as their own. Like what they did to the great sphinx,

what a horrible thing to do in ancient culture. You have an ancient lion from your the lineage of your your past and it's it's built by the superior civilization that you came out of and it's it's a lion that's facing the constellation and your grandness as a pharaoh you go in and re-carve it with a head of a pharaoh just because you want to to show your dominance maybe over that culture kind of like it doesn't take long cort Cortez did with that eagle and the serpent type of depiction of the flag of Mexico. Just look at our own country, right? Obviously, the worst thing we ever did was slavery.

Yeah. It was a reality. Or dropping a nuclear weapon. Well, okay. That's another conversation. No, I would argue slavery was worse considering considering the circumstances of where that happened we dropped two right yeah we dropped two but i would argue slavery was worse but you you look at that and even just our culture now

looking 200 250 years back at some of these guys who happened to exist during a time where slavery wasn't stopped yeah they want to they they don want to refer – there's people who are already calling to not refer to George Washington because he owned slaves at one point and stuff like that. Yes, yes, absolutely. That's how quick it can happen. So think of a culture that came 10,000 years later. We tend to look at people with the context of our time and our knowledge and judge them by the same exact means of that.

That's fair. And that's fair and that's look all right does that justify things that happen that they did in the past because it's like oh well they just didn't know no but you have to at least take into account what society right was thinking at certain times and where we did thankfully they were conquerors they were just war conquerors they were just empires yeah exactly and and that's what i'm saying like they may have the the ancient egyptians could have looked at it that way if if what you say is true about them fucking with the pyramids they may have looked at those ancient civilizations as oh just these stupid conquerors who didn't understand x y or z that we understand now well they they definitely

incorporated some of the practices from them into that like the egyptian book of the dead came from the dynastic period and it was definitely a dissemination of knowledge from an earlier time and they had all these remnants of things they could learn from and i understand that and they did and then they just imposed their own their own side to it and like carve things with their own way i understand that's probably what a lot of cultures would do we would probably do that um but at the end of the day, that's just what we need to do is separate them. That description I just told you, all around the world. Peru, Bolivia, Egypt, Turkey, Balbeck, Lebanon, Romans built right on top of ancient, ancient sites there right um throughout the throughout the world we could i could name so many places where we're just confusing the wrong culture that's building

primitive stuff on top and then claiming they build all the stuff below it it's very convenient isn't it it is convenient dude there's so there's so much so much here in these conversations with you i mean again a lot of stuff we didn't even get to today but we'll have to do that again how about that we'll have to do that in the future at some point. But listen, man, I really appreciate having a couple of days here. Yeah, it was awesome. A couple of different episodes. I really enjoy talking to you, Julian, always.

Absolutely. And Alessi, thanks for being on the ball with all this stuff. Thanks, Alessi, bud. You were doing a great job. All right. Everybody else, you know what it is. Give it a thought. Get back to me.

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