Julian Dorey Podcast - 🤯 [VIDEO] - ATLANTIS Archaeologists Find New Evidence of Ancient City WORLDWIDE | Matt LaCroix • 153

Starting point is 00:00:00 What's up guys, if you're on Spotify right now, please follow the show so that you don't miss any future episodes and leave a 5-star review. Thank you. In 1906, British archaeologist Arl Stein set out on an expedition to Central Asia. His mission was to find treasures of the greatest lost civilization mankind has ever known. Upon arriving in the city of Donghuang, he encountered a Buddhist monk who had told him that he discovered a secret library known as the Cave of a Thousand Buddhas. Okay. In that library, he found these manuscripts from all over the world, from different like Hindu texts and all these things. But one of them had an ancient map in it. And the map depicted Atlantis as a region that existed from west of the Pillars of Hercules as a region, all the way to the Yucatan. And that means that those ruins off of Cuba are part of Atlantis. so so

Starting point is 00:01:05 so so so so so so so so

Starting point is 00:01:13 so so so so so so so so

Starting point is 00:01:21 so so so so so so so Matt LaCroix, you are a hard man to get in touch with, but everyone was requesting you all winter, and I'm glad to have you here, brother. Hey, I'm glad we're finally sitting down to have this amazing conversation.

Starting point is 00:01:36 We talked on the phone, and it sounded like we had a lot of excitement to change history here. Changing history. You were saying that in the car yesterday, too. That's always the aggressive way to go about it. But for what you look at, that's kind of exactly what, you know, your field is looking to do because history is just what we've been told. And when you can find evidence of things that perhaps we haven't considered before, I mean,

Starting point is 00:02:00 that quite literally is the definition of it, is it not? Yeah. And I think in this example, it's not just about changing the paradigm that a lot of other individuals like Graham Hancock and Randall and Robert Shock and Robert Vovall. They're all doing this paradigm shift that is important. It's us understanding that, look, there's another chapter of human civilizations that came before the Ice Age known as the Younger Dryas, which is approximately around 11,600 years ago or so. For people who aren't familiar with that, can you just explain the full context there? Absolutely. So the first thing to understand is that in our history books and through mainstream archaeologists

Starting point is 00:02:35 and any time you wanted to try to understand history, we're told through this lens that civilizations emerged 6,000 years ago in the Fertile Crescent, which is the Iraqi area today. And that since then, every single ancient ruin, every structure, any writing, doesn't matter, anywhere in the world fits into that time period. So between 6,000 years and our current time period, all of human civilization in terms of civilization rising, not nomadic hunter-gatherers, is supposedly in that window. The problem is that we're finding evidence all around the world that that's not accurate. And that what we're seeing is that, yes, there was an emergence of civilization 6,000 years ago in Sumer. But that's only another iteration from previous civilizations that had already been there and other parts of the world. And I want that to be the message that maybe perhaps is echoed more than anything else in this entire conversation,

Starting point is 00:03:30 is that nearly everywhere, and I want to say that again, nearly everywhere, we find ancient megalithic, meaning large stones, very high precision quality work. We find evidence that a later culture had found that and built on top of it. So it's not like we ever find something that's just sitting in the middle of nowhere and no one's ever paid attention to it. It seems as though even those civilizations within that 6,000 year window still knew about their past a little bit. They still knew about the connections of these civilizations that were once there. And they took it under great importance

Starting point is 00:04:05 to go and then show the importance of those sites through worship and through building in these locations. I mean, if you're a group that only has so many resources and so many things, to go to these great lengths to find these places and then build on top of them shows that they valued that to basically the highest degree. But why? Well, it's because it was part of a lost chapter of our history where those people were different than the groups that came later. They were a lot smarter. They were different in a lot

Starting point is 00:04:37 of ways. And we're going to go over some of that, but bringing it back to what we said at the very beginning, I made this statement that I know is a very, it's a very direct and very big statement to make that we're going to change history. When I met... There are very few things that you can be certain of in life, but you can always be sure the sun will rise each morning. You can bet your bottom dollar that you'll always need air to breathe and water to drink. And of course, you can rest assured that with Public Mobile's 5G subscription phone plans, you'll pay the same thing every month. With all of the mysteries that life has to offer, a few certainties can really go a long way. Subscribe today for the peace of mind you've been searching for.

Starting point is 00:05:17 Public Mobile. Different is calling. The new BMO VI Porter MasterCard is your ticket to more. More perks. More points. More flights. More of all the things you want in a travel rewards card. And then some. Get your ticket to more with the new BMO VI Porter MasterCard and get up to $2,400 in value in your first 13 months.

Starting point is 00:05:45 Terms and conditions apply. Visit bmo.com slash viporter to learn more. And by that is not just acknowledging the work of all these other individuals as well as myself to say, look, it's not just a 6,000 year window of civilization. But there was a civilization before the Ice Age, before 12,000 years ago, that was the one that was the advanced one, was the one that built all these incredible things we're about to talk about. More advanced than we are. More advanced in some ways. Not more advanced in cell phones and computers, but more advanced in their understanding of the cosmos, consciousness, energy. You know, this important concept, themetic law of as above so below the

Starting point is 00:06:25 law of correspondence they understand that they understood that to such degree that for instance something like the great pyramids of giza they they aligned those to the three belt stars of orion but not just there and teotihuacan across the entire world in mexico they did the same thing you see the temple of the sun temple of the moon intense temple of quetzalcoatl they did the same thing. You see the temple of the sun, temple of the moon, and temple of Quetzalcoatl. It's the same alignment as those stars like in Egypt. You're seeing parallels across the entire world of the same thing. But that's not, even that is not what I mean by that statement about changing history. There's already a lot of us doing that. What I mean by changing history is how about proving that not only was there a civilization

Starting point is 00:07:07 that was advanced before the Ice Age, but what if there were multiple civilizations even before that, that have come and gone? And what if we can connect the entire narrative, not only ancient Sumer and not only Peru and Egypt, but what if we can connect atlantis and connect to the ancient athenian civilization the pre-greeks and then connect every other megalithic advanced civilization around the world to a specific location that is just being excavated right now and that is what's so exciting so when i say that statement I believe this research is so cutting edge that we are literally about to change all of history. It's a hell of an opener, man.

Starting point is 00:07:49 I got goosebumps on my skin right now. Before we get into all the details, though, how did you get into this stuff? You've been doing this for, what, like a decade now? Yeah, so that's a great question. I think the best way to answer that would be to say that I was a weird kid. I was a kid that other kids were like just, I think they felt uncomfortable around me. I was a weird kid. I really was.

Starting point is 00:08:14 I was a kid that instead of playing with toys, I'd be walking around the playground looking around rocks and crystals and trying to find stuff. You were one of those. I was like, I didn't really like, I was sort of a loner. I didn't feel like anyone could understand me. I was always asking questions about the stars and about the earth. And I remember, I remember being like eight years old or nine years old or,

Starting point is 00:08:37 and asking another kid being like, Hey, did you know that we're on a planet that's flying through space? And that you look up there, you're looking at a, basically an entire star that's shining and giving us like i remember kids being like what yeah like they didn't understand and i felt like i was never understood did you ever did you go through a period where you lost that a little bit and didn't ask those questions i think that's

Starting point is 00:09:00 a pretty common thing i didn't totally lose it but i think you look at the education system and like you and i were talking about last night with the whole Carl Sagan discussing how kids hit a certain age. What was that, with third grade or? Something, and maybe it was like kindergarten or something. And because of the way that things are designed, imagination and thinking outside the box

Starting point is 00:09:18 and all those questions, like that's really not promoted or in many ways it's almost scolded in some people. I remember being in class and asking a lot of questions having the teacher eventually like be quiet or just like stop asking questions and so part of it started to like you said it deludes a little bit right you're like what am i doing like am i like the one that's really weird and i should be more like them and but eventually I,

Starting point is 00:09:50 I really never conformed to that. Instead of, instead, I just started going out in the wilds and like hiking and going out into nature. And I didn't, um, I just sort of ran away from the world is the best way to describe it. And I think a lot of people listening to this, that will probably relate to that is, is having difficulty and you almost, there's this core inside you that doesn't want to conform. No matter what happens, it's like there's something inside us. Some of us are very, very strong with that. And I never did. But because of that, I didn't have very many friends. But to make a long story short, it set me up for this place of being a very inquisitive person and wanting to know more. But I remember at the core of that, I was always incredibly fascinated with like almost an obsession, even at a young age.

Starting point is 00:10:32 And I had no idea why the idea of a lost civilization, something even shown like in a silly concept, like in Jungle Book, right? Disney movie. But you're a kid, you're watching it. Remember in Jungle Book, he finds this ancient temple that is ruled over by like orangutans yeah right and they're there but there's no humans left it's like the remnants of it and it's all overgrown in the jungle i remember being a kid and being like oh my god why did why is this so amazing to me and it wasn't until movies like stargate came along that totally i don't think I'm familiar with it.

Starting point is 00:11:05 Stargate is, for anyone who hasn't seen Stargate, not the TV show, but the actual original movie, just one of the best movies ever made in my opinion. It's a movie about an ancient culture that had some kind of a Stargate type of material that was found and it was determined to be a gateway to like another star system. Great movie. that was found and it was determined to be a gateway to like another star system um great movie but the point was these little things kept coming in my life that made me start questioning and wondering about things and it wasn't until reading the serious mystery with robert temple with the dogon and they're oh this is what you were talking about last night and their understanding of like details of the serious serious star a b and c and the Canis Major and all the orbital tracks of everything and how they said they were influenced by all these things. But they're like this remote tribe in the middle of Mali, Africa. How could they know any of that before telescopes were invented?

Starting point is 00:11:57 Can you explain them? Sure. That whole thing because that blew my mind. Yeah, I'll get that. This was the one where you were talking about they put one elder in the cave and everything, right? Yeah. This is wild. I guess it's important because this is what was my spark.

Starting point is 00:12:10 People talk about what is that spark that sends you off on it's one of those moments where you sit it down and you just sort of stare up and you're like, what the hell? Because then all of a sudden your brain has to reformat. It's a lot harder than people, I think, just think it is. When you're taught everything in your life about everything in a certain way and your teachers and your parents, to change a paradigm of our entire history, we are and influence potentially the stars that's a big shift

Starting point is 00:12:50 because it shifts your whole brain in a different thinking and that shift came with the story of the dogon and what the story is if those aren't familiar with it it's one of those things that is impossible to um truly refute. And I think that's why it's so powerful. The story is that there's a tribe in Mali, Africa, Western Africa, very remote region, that had never been visited by the outside world. And there was originally one, but eventually became two French anthropologists in the 1930s were fascinated by this tribe they went met them but what they were so fascinated by was that the tribe had all these incredible stories of their heritage and their history that they wouldn't tell him this is what i didn't mention to you last night that's so

Starting point is 00:13:38 fascinating is that he's he wanted to know this incredible history because they had drawn in the sand, like, orbital tracks of stars and stuff. And things that they should not have known. Because the telescope hadn't been invented. They knew about Sirius, the star, Sirius A, but B and C. B hadn't even been discovered yet by radio telescope. Once B was discovered, they were like, like wait so the dogan already knew about that before they even had telescopes but they also say there's a there's a star called sirius c that we haven't even discovered yet okay so the point was they knew incredible amounts of

Starting point is 00:14:16 information not just about the sirius star system but about our earth about the energy of it, about the source God. So this French anthropologist is forced to stay with them for 10 years, live with them for 10 years because they wouldn't tell him. They didn't trust him. So they forced him to stay. No, but if he wanted to know, he had to stay. So they didn't say he can't leave, but he wanted to know. So in order for them to tell him he had to stay with

Starting point is 00:14:48 the culture to gain their trust for 10 years. The reason for that was that the Dogon had such profound information about their history that they felt that the only way to not have that message be polluted was they would have an elder of the community be decided

Starting point is 00:15:03 and then a secondary elder that could communicate with them, and they would have an elder of the community be decided, and then a secondary elder that could communicate with them, and they would isolate themselves in a cave, completely isolated from the outside world. The elder who was never allowed out. It's like a life sentence. But he's the only one who knew the entire history. And they did that because they recognized, just like the game of phone when you're a kid, right?

Starting point is 00:15:24 You're on that game with a circle of kids. And you're like, hey, the elephant went to the store. And then by the time you get around, it's like something completely different. Oh, that's not a children's game. That is a real life. Like we see that every fucking, just go on Twitter. Christ. One tweet changes to the other.

Starting point is 00:15:40 Next thing you know, it's like, well, how did this even start? So this elder, they know that. And this elder is kept to preserve. And i only scratched the surface of what they knew i encourage people to go read the serious mystery the things they knew about our solar system and about earth and about even the stars is is it's mind-boggling right so he stays there for 10 years they tell him the whole thing finally and to be clear real fast how many people told him because the full history is only known by the elder he eventually gained the trust of that elder in the cave yes that's why it took him 10 years so why did they let in this is what i don't

Starting point is 00:16:18 understand why did they let an outsider become the intermediate the intermediary when they had spent all these years specifically saying there was only going to be the elder and then the person, I guess, who's going to take the torch eventually, who is the intermediary? Because they realized that he was this genuine researcher scientist who wanted to document it right, like the right way. And it led to an entire book and bringing recognition to the Dogon for what they are and what they're doing. And it took 10 years because they wanted to trust that,

Starting point is 00:16:52 I mean, that's a long time. That's not like a short time. You're right, yes. And so eventually they did tell him their entire story and he took it back and wrote all of it down and kind of blew up the academic world.

Starting point is 00:17:04 Now how, and what year was that again? This is like 1931 to 1940. Okay. On July 17th, 2014, Malaysia Airlines flight 17 took off from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur. Less than three hours later, the flight had disappeared. Soon thereafter, a debris field was spotted in eastern Ukraine. All 298 people on board were dead. Now, in some ways, you might think this crash was just a tragic accident, but the timing of when it happened and where it happened was not random. You may remember that this was months after Russia had forcibly annexed the Crimean Peninsula in Ukraine, and also when the war in the Donbass, the eastern region of Ukraine, was well underway,

Starting point is 00:17:45 which is something we know all too well about today. So, in the days, weeks, and months after the disaster, finger-pointing was abound. Back in America, former NASA scientist Harleen Carr was trying to follow the news on the ground to figure out what the hell had happened. See, after Harleen had left NASA, she was at a company that had built the engines that were on this very jet. So of course, she had a reason to want to figure out if it had been something wrong with the engines. To her frustration though, misinformation was flying around left and right. Whether it was false narratives or conflicting reports, no one could figure out what the hell was going on. If you

Starting point is 00:18:17 remember this story, it was pretty wild. But it was at this moment that Harleen decides she needed to do something about it. So fast forward to 2023 and her company Ground News is now five years old. Guys, the link for this is in the description below and you are going to want to check it out. Why? Let me explain. What this website does is it pulls news stories from around the internet and uses a proprietary data scanner to sign a numerical value of what their political leaning is. In English, it essentially bakes in the bias for you so that you know exactly what you're reading. And the site also does all kinds of other things with this information,

Starting point is 00:18:52 including having a section that shows all the stories that the left and right are ignoring, respectively, for that day. So guys, I want you to check out my personal link in the description below and sign up for the site. It is ground.news forward slash julian dory and i say this not just because it quite literally supports the show but because you're gonna love this tool now click that link below and let me know what you think so what sources did they cite within their culture like how did they yeah was it was it was it just

Starting point is 00:19:23 oh this has been passed down to an elder in the cave over and over so that's how we know it's it's the truth or did they say specifically like this elder was you know generations ago was around for x y or z and here's how we know it right so that's that's actually they have a very specific point about how they say they got knowledge and where they first of all the history of the dogon is unusual because they came from africa they actually were originally part of um the ancient african egyptian um area and they left because of religious prosecution and then it ended up ended up in mali which is sort of strange on its own because we're going to see other other uh comparisons and connections through that part of africa with parts of like the Olmec in Mexico, in Veracruz, which is very unusual, which shows they likely made it.

Starting point is 00:20:10 Anyway, what they state is that they learned everything from a great traveling being, a great sage that was known as Awanis in ancient Sumer. And they depicted it as like an aquatic being which I think was purely symbolic because when you go to Sumer and you learn about the great sages like Adapa and the Apkallu they use symbolism to describe them in a way of what their mentality what their purpose a lot of different aspects of them and you find that there was an ancient Sumerian god who is the heart of their entire civilization known as Enki and he's supposed to be the god of fresh water of different aspects of them. And you find that there was an ancient Sumerian god who is the heart of their entire civilization known as Enki. And he's supposed to be the god of fresh water and

Starting point is 00:20:49 the god of the oceans. Can you go back for a minute for people who are unfamiliar right now? And I do want to say, for those who are listening today who are deep on ancient civilizations and know the history well, I apologize if we go back to do some stuff that may be basic for you, but there's a lot of people listening. You and I talked about this before. There's a lot of people listening who are unfamiliar with some of these civilizations or all of it, and we need to make sure we have the context defined correctly so that we can move forward. What this is coming down to is that I do believe that Sumer in the area of Iraq is where civilization began, but it's not when we're told it began.

Starting point is 00:21:30 I believe that civilizations there are much, much older than even younger Dryas Ice Age. I believe they may be as old as 50,000 years old. What makes you think that? What we're about to go with evidence showing the different iterations of those civilizations proves that they're from these different time periods. And I just want to give one example. Sure. There is an ancient tablet called the Legend of Atana. And Atana, E-T-A-N-A, Atana was an ancient king of one of these cities called Kish.

Starting point is 00:22:02 What's fascinating, though, is in in that tablet it opens up by discussing how there was a great catastrophe on the earth and that basically all of civilization was destroyed and that it had to be re-lowered again kingship had to be re-lowered again like civilization to be recreated in this new world at kish kish is part of this sumerian region of iraq so it's telling you right there look we had these ancient ancient cities that were created here a catastrophe came through destroyed them and then they and then another civilization emerged after but and that's a core concept that i want to be echoed through this entire conversation i want to mention that again

Starting point is 00:22:40 because in sumer you find out that there are what these call great sages. And I'm going to put a picture in the corner of the screen for people to follow this, by the way. Throughout the ancient world, especially Sumer, we find this overlapping theme everywhere. Shown in literally depictions of rock reliefs in ancient texts everywhere. Of this idea of a great powerful being. Like a very, very very smart beyond anyone around them who travels with a group around the world and creates civilizations it's shown literally throughout countless texts what's what's connects this to the dogon that's so strange is that the

Starting point is 00:23:22 dogon state that there was a being known as, connected to Awanis and Sumer, the same depiction, same everything, that is the one that told them everything, is the one where they got all the knowledge from. Got it, okay. So it's these ancient sage from Sumer made it to Mali, Africa.

Starting point is 00:23:42 But is that the only place they made it to? No, that's only one of many many many well how i don't i may be way off base asking this yeah but you had mentioned a few minutes ago that we're talking about multi civilizations meaning like a bunch of younger driest periods where this could have emanated from before yes So could this perhaps go far enough back that we're talking about like Pangea, where all the land was together and that's how? I don't believe it's anywhere near that far back. Okay.

Starting point is 00:24:12 I think we need to like, we should just briefly review geologic history. Sure, let's do it. Pangea, we're talking millions and millions and millions of years ago. What I'm looking at here, and even though it totally scares the mainstream academics and blows open the timeline of what we think, I do believe that everything I've studied and I've been putting together a timeline of all the tablets and all the archaeological evidence that our story, instead of being 6,000 years old, and I'm talking civilization, not like hunter-gatherer stuff. Our story emerging, like civilization emerging,

Starting point is 00:24:45 I believe is more like 200,000 years old. 200,000. No, that's a lot. Yeah. Because the Younger Dryas was 12,500 years ago. That's what I'm saying is, I've been uncovering evidence from looking at ice cores from Antarctica

Starting point is 00:24:57 as well as Greenland that what we're looking at is not simply one event that occurred around 13,000 years ago, but a cyclical nature of events that happens perhaps every 13, every 20, every 50. We don't know exactly the cycles because like I was talking to Randall Carlson the other day. We had this great conversation where I said, Randall, it seems more like it's cycles within cycles than a cycle. He goes, that's exactly what I've found as well.

Starting point is 00:25:24 So, but does that mean because the way i've always understood it maybe i'm fucked up here but like the whole idea of like the younger dryas is that you had the earth heat up and kill everything and then suddenly instantly like freeze over meaning nothing survives but what you seem to and again maybe i'm missing it what you seem to be saying is that something, some people do survive. Yeah, the extremes of it cannot be underestimated. So I do want to reiterate that. Like Randall talks about, we're looking at events that are awesome, like he says, that are beyond our comprehension.

Starting point is 00:25:57 And I agree. But we're also talking about a civilization and people that were way more sophisticated in their understanding than we are they they were mapping the cosmos they were tracking cycles based on the procession of the equinox of our earth and tracking how we face different constellations known as a zodiac and how if you track ages you can figure out when things are going to happen they knew all of that they knew about these events. That's why they created the most elaborate group of underground cities in the world. From Derinkuyu,

Starting point is 00:26:30 Turkey, down through northern Iran, we find areas in... Please, anything I say, look up all these things. There's a city called Derinkuyu that's only one of over a hundred underground cities. D-E-R or D-R-I-N Derinkuyu. K-U-R or D-R-I-N D-E-R-I-N

Starting point is 00:26:46 D-R-I-N-K-U-K-U Turkey? Yeah. Sorry, that spelling is tough. Anyway, that's one of over... When did they find this, you said? That's one of over 200 underground cities. When did you say they found this? They just found it within the last 80 years.

Starting point is 00:27:02 No shit. I'll put pictures of that in the corner of the screen and then I'll intersplace a map as well. Yeah, somebody was in there. This is the story of people that don't know. I don't remember the exact date off my head, but it wasn't that long ago. I think it was like 1950 something or 60. But there was a guy in an apartment

Starting point is 00:27:17 that was doing a project on his house in that part of Turkey. And he collapsed a wall and literally found an entrance to the largest underground city on earth. Oops. Now, how did they build something like that? That's what's so fascinating. These people knew that these events were so catastrophic, they could wipe out their entire civilization. We literally could disappear from history. So they created the most

Starting point is 00:27:42 elaborate group of underground cities in the world, creating air shafts, areas to even bring animals down, areas for sleeping, areas for schools, areas for preparing food. It's so advanced that in the door, they have this gigantic round stone they had to roll in front of the door in order to seal off what was inside. How did they get down there? They carved the entire thing by hand. By hand? By hand. It could house over 20,000 people.

Starting point is 00:28:11 But how do you get down there? It's now a tourism thing where you can go. No, I know, but back then. Back then. They didn't have an elevator, did they? No, they walked down these stairs that go down the ground. And like I said, at the entrance to this entire city, or there were many cities, not just one,

Starting point is 00:28:26 Derinkuyu is just the biggest. They have this massive multi-ton stone that's round, and you can find it on images. They would roll in front of the door and seal the entire underground area for sometimes, are you ready for this? Potentially hundreds of years. Now wrap your head around that. They had to live down there potentially for hundreds of years. Now wrap your head around that.

Starting point is 00:28:45 They had to live down there potentially for hundreds of years. It means entire generations had to live down there. And you said they built air shafts and everything. But these are people now who are going to be...

Starting point is 00:28:54 Did they have any light down there or is it all candle lit? We don't know those things but I can tell you that we know that most of them never made it out. And how do we know that? Because there's a site out that's what's so scary because there's a site right next to them called gobekli tepe and there's a newest one that's that was right next to it

Starting point is 00:29:12 called karahan tepe and what it is is like a cosmic library where they had these giant t-shaped multi-ton pillars that were tracking the cosmos again tracking the zodiac and each pillar has like a depiction of a constellation. Like for instance, one of them, Pillar 43, is the most famous because it has the depictions of the handbags that I love to talk about. But also, it's got the swan or the vulture known as Cygnus with Deneb, the star at the top, which is like the brightest star in our entire – around our solar system. So the strange thing is they seem to understand aspects of the cosmos that we don't. But getting back to Gobekli Tepe...

Starting point is 00:29:49 And why is Gobekli... That's actually a great segue to that, though. Like, why is this so controversial within the archaeological world? It seems to me, as a complete outsider, like, in the last 50 years or whatever, this could be the wildest thing we've ever found it's this incredible structure that that now is now has a lot of excavation done

Starting point is 00:30:13 and yet i constantly keep on hearing again from the outside like the bickering like well no it doesn't really change history of this or that so what what's the origins of like why people are so like hands up about this so what gobekli depi did and i don't think it's anywhere near as impressive for some of the architecture we're about to talk about with the new sites that are east of it in eastern turkey but what makes gobekli so important is that we know it's not primitive because they have these literally massive t-shaped pillars that were literally multi-ton so to be able to carve those and then put them in place,

Starting point is 00:30:46 align with star constellations, we know that they're an advanced people. And I believe they're the same people that made Darren Kuyu or related to the same group. Now, here's what's so wild about Gobek. You believe that or other people do too? Many others do as well. When does fast grocery delivery through Instacart matter most? When your famous grainy mustard potato salad isn't so famous without the grainy mustard.

Starting point is 00:31:08 When the barbecue's lit, but there's nothing to grill. When the in-laws decide that, actually, they will stay for dinner. Instacart has all your groceries covered this summer. So download the app and get delivery in as fast as 60 minutes. Plus enjoy $0 delivery fees on your first three orders. Service fees, exclusions, and terms apply. Instacart, groceries that over-deliver. What Gobekli Tepe is so, is, is angering the mainstream community so much for is that,

Starting point is 00:31:36 remember that 6,000 year window we talked about? Yeah. Where everything has to fall into it? Yes. Gobekli Tepe contains more advanced architecture more advanced concepts and ideas and shows that it's a civilization that wasn't primitive and nomadic hunter-gatherers right right when they radiocarbon dated which means that they find organic matter caught between the stones which you know you can get a relatively accurate accurate date, but it's more like a ballpark. What they found is that, I mean, it could be a lot older, not younger. What they found is that the Golbekli Tepe is at least, based on the breakdown of the carbon of it, is at least 11,600 years old.

Starting point is 00:32:19 Now, what that means is, and I say at least because i think it's older than that but what that means is that oops it means that we had a more sophisticated civilization that's more than double as old as we're told ever was supposed to be around when you say you think it's older than that yeah do you think it could have been older than the younger dryas it's all thought really why would any civilization be able to build anything during the Younger Dryas? We're talking about something that most of them didn't even survive. For those who don't understand, the Younger Dryas period is this period of glacial to interglacial into the Holocene. The Holocene is this period of time between this Paleolithic period and the Holocene is this period in between called the Younger Dryas. And it's a period of earth

Starting point is 00:33:05 history that is catastrophic. And it's about 1500 years long. That's what I want people to wrap their heads around. Imagine if here we are, we live like about a hundred years. Imagine in our lifetime, there's like one crazy event that goes on and it kills like a million people. And everyone's like, oh my God, right? Well, now imagine if you had chaotic events that primarily are at the front end and the back end, but some in between for 1,500 years. Yeah, everything's dead. So when we say 1,200, 500,

Starting point is 00:33:36 is that marking the end of it or the beginning of it? The end of the Younger Dryas when we went into a more stable climate was about 11,500 years ago or or so and gobekli tepe's 11 600 i see what you're saying okay we start actually i would even go a little bit later stabilization where things were more comfortable on earth to live was more like 10 500 so it's about a thousand years later so i understand you're saying like you don't want to actually change that statement yeah it's about a thousand years later i'd say so you don't understand how

Starting point is 00:34:04 anyone during that time period of that shit going on could have possibly built this but what would make like because i know nothing about this what would make what's the official term carbon what carbon dating so what would make the carbon dating inaccurate i mean i feel like from the outside it sounds like it would go when you start going that far back my head just goes to well wouldn't it all get foggy no matter how good the tech is but like is that a simple explanation or is it more complicated what they do is they date the breakdown of radial carbon they so they can date the what they do is i'm not i'm not an expert on this but they basically date

Starting point is 00:34:40 the decomp decomposition of it breaking down and when they And they can tell how long that takes based on how it breaks down. And so there's science to it. It's very accurate. The problem is you can't date rock. This is where we're going to get into the issue that's going to continuously come up over and over and over again,

Starting point is 00:34:59 is that that is the only date we can use as a benchmark. It's a benchmark date. I want to make that clear. It's a benchmark date. I want to make that clear. It's a benchmark date to say, we know that these advanced civilizations are at least this old because of Gobekli Tepe. That's why they don't like it. It changes the entire narrative

Starting point is 00:35:15 of opening up the doors to say, this civilization we know is older. Well, what else is older? But we need to lead back to a very important conclusion of a statement we're making. They build Derinkuyu along with countless other cities. And that's, I mean, that's only one example. There's some in Northern Iran and throughout that region of Turkey. They build these incredible places because they know they need to survive.

Starting point is 00:35:40 Then before they go down in them, these events of the younger dryas they deliberately bury gobekli tepe deliberately deliberately and not only that they some believe it took more work and more effort to bury it than it did to build it and that's that's not just my opinion why do they say that burying this in the way that they did they find evidence that they buried it to protect it and so they buried it in ways where they could protect the pillars and everything not just throwing you know stuff in they literally were trying to make like a time capsule why because the best the best theories on this are that they were planning to emerge in places like from places like darren

Starting point is 00:36:25 kuyu after the event and then uncover gobekli tepe and then continue on their civilization and they never uncovered it which means they never made it out that doesn't mean nobody did that doesn't mean nobody survived and that's what we're about we're going to get into today with a lot of this evidence because some did survive do we have are they looking for any dna evidence that could be down there of the dead and have they recovered anything they think could be leading there we don't find any skeletons or dead it wasn't a burial site there's no bones so no one got left down there as far as we know right now there is no evidence not well okay this is the first statement to make bones don't last that long and also paper doesn't last very long it is an important concept to get across first of all

Starting point is 00:37:09 paper lasts 500 to a thousand years that's like nothing that's not even the duration of the younger dryas event let alone right bones are only last a couple thousand years depending on what's what kind of air is getting to it what kind of creatures are eating them like mice and stuff will just eat bones um oh yeah i see it all the time in the woods when you go for hikes you'll see an antler no you'll see no not for human bones but you'll see like an antler an antler where they're eating they're eating it all they'll just eat them point is we we don't have any other dating systems or anything available other than radiocarbon dating for this site and it just means that it's at least 11 600 years old because radiocarbon dating for this site. And it just means that it's at least 11,600 years old

Starting point is 00:37:46 because radiocarbon dating only gives you a benchmark of, imagine this, imagine it's way older than that, but the carbon that's in there, the carbon just means organic matter. Imagine the organic matter that they're measuring is only what got in at the very end, like before it was buried. So then we're thinking that was

Starting point is 00:38:05 built during that time but no it just means the organic matter was in there so really what i'm thinking if we're gonna blow this whole thing open during the last ice age so pre-younger dryas we're gonna call it call it like 20 000 years ago just somewhere in there right we added evidence around the world of highly sophisticated advanced civilizations that were not i don't believe we're like necessarily space faring or had the tech like we have it all no i mean and that's not because we would find it because we wouldn't that's the scary thing is that if you were to try to imagine what would be left over from our civilization and let's let's think about this for a second on a totality of our civilization. We record nearly everything on either paper or digitally, nearly everything.

Starting point is 00:38:54 Some stone structures we've created, like old churches or whatever, have some writing in them, in the stones. But most of the stuff we build is like glass it's metal um whatever right let's say something happened to us and we were gone for like two three thousand years and then another group came and was like i don't think there's anybody here before us what would be left from us okay i want to ask you this what do you think would be left of anything we have? I mean, anything. What would be left from us? I mean, I'd got to think...

Starting point is 00:39:33 I mean, this is a separate question that I'll ask you later about some previous civilizations, but I got to think all the technology would be wiped, gone. I don't know. Well, okay, so paper, paper 500,000 years. Metal just corrodes like super fast. Glass would be gone.

Starting point is 00:39:52 We would be looking at nothing that exists from our civilization. Nothing. Nothing except for, and this is the except, and the except here is a big except because the except is what links all this together. The only thing that would survive would be the stonework we made, specifically with granite.

Starting point is 00:40:12 The limestone wouldn't make it. Why granite? Granite's one of the hardest materials on earth. This is something, again, that's another one of these echo things we're going to be talking about continuously because the types of stone you work with matter significantly. If you have tools that are softer than the stone you're working with, you can't even manipulate it at all.

Starting point is 00:40:33 So if you go take a piece of granite from out in the woods or something, you'll find a chunk of granite, and you go take things you have around the house or whatever, and you try to do something with that, most of the tools you use, unless they're harder than that, aren't going to really do anything to it. True. That's why people use like granite countertops all the time. That's it.

Starting point is 00:40:51 But not only that, it lasts forever. Granite, diorite, and dolomite, some of these materials, basalt. Basalt, granite were the most popular two stones two ways that these ancients built they were brilliant we think that they were like primitive no they left behind more than we would find from our entire civilization now i want to make that statement very clear is that they have more from them than we would find from us because they built everything with these giant granite basalt megaliths. And they recorded all their stories. Not all of them did.

Starting point is 00:41:32 We'll get into Atlantis in a minute. But like the ancient Sumerians and then this new civilization we're going to talk about in Eastern Turkey and all of these regions, even parts of Egypt, they wrote in stone. That's why tablets...

Starting point is 00:41:46 I mentioned the legend of Atana. We were talking about it. It's a cuneiform tablet that's clay that was fired. Can you explain cuneiform to people who don't know? Cuneiform is a style of writing that are... Basically, you do indents into something like either stone. They use stone sometimes.

Starting point is 00:42:02 Like the coat of Hammurabi from ancient, the Sumerian region is a giant granite stele that's got cuneiform. And what it means is like, they realize that if you try to draw something on a surface, like a painting, it's just going to disappear. So the only way to have a message preserved

Starting point is 00:42:21 would be to etch it into stone or clay. And they realized if you do that it could potentially serve if it's a hardened up material not limestone or something if it's granite or basalt it can potentially survive for 10 20 30 potentially 50 000 years does it matter what the elements of some sort of natural disaster crisis are for it to survive though as an example yeah could something like that survive and if i'm asking some stupid questions today i'm sorry i don't know a lot about like carbon dating and stuff like that but could something like the volcano eruption of pompeii if all the volcanic fluids got all over the magma got all over the

Starting point is 00:43:04 the tablets. Could that totally destroy them? Could something with that type of force make it null and void? Some things were undoubtedly destroyed. Yeah. But one of the amazing things about it, and again, I credit the Sumerians and the later iterations of them being the greatest, most sophisticated thinking people in the world. They used clay for a reason. What's so funny about clay is that in order to make clay the most durable possible,

Starting point is 00:43:35 you have to put it in fire. It's brilliant. So they did some stone. Yeah, because they did granite and that'll last a long time. That's really hard to do. To carve integrate messages into granite is not easy. And that gets into what you're talking about with some of the pottery from Egypt. But they realized that if they took clay and then wrote all their stories etched into it cuneiform, meaning embedded into the rock in the clay, and then they fired it, it could last somewhere around 6 000 years so some of the

Starting point is 00:44:09 tablets were rewritten over and over again from subsequent entire civilizations to preserve the original story of those civilizations all right so i'm going to cut forward to a question that i kind of buried a few minutes ago because it's just coming into my mind with everything you're saying but the thing that that kind of keeps me up at night when I'm wondering about how these civilizations worked is the technological aspect because and you hinted at this earlier like there's certain things where they were way more advanced potentially but certain things where we have evidence to say they were not nearly as advanced and so I always go back to what I know and what's in my hand and like I have an iPhone in my hand but i would imagine a lot of that would be destroyed is there is there a possibility that some of i'm not saying the one you're talking

Starting point is 00:44:56 about right now but perhaps some of these other civilizations that date back across all these different younger driest periods let's call it like these different events that could happen is there a possibility that there were civilization civilizations that existed with hardcore artificial intelligence and things way beyond iphones that was just so destroyed yeah over and over again that like we have no ability to ever even try to find evidence of it this is what's funny and it's parallels our civilization so on point. When we're trying to find what's left from them, we find that the more advanced the civilization became, the less they put the work into recording that.

Starting point is 00:45:38 It was weird. So for instance, there's not a single writing left behind from Atlantis. Because they didn't do cuneiform writing into stones. They probably had paper and they probably had digital records. Digital. The reason I say that is that we've found some really weird artifacts in the Mediterranean over the last hundred years. There was an artifact found off of Greece that has mechanical components in it

Starting point is 00:46:06 that don't make sense i don't remember what it is off my head so this is the one michu kaku talked about this was down at the bottom of the mediterranean that's it thank you it was the it was a computer yes around thank you from the roman era i believe it was about 2 000 years old and what it did and he explained why it was considered a computer yeah but what it did was it would measure i think it was like the constellations or something like that i'm definitely going to have interspliced that clip into here so we'll have the context of it out of the real man's mouth explaining it around 1900 or so there was a shipwreck off the coast of Greece, and divers found an instrument encrusted in coral.

Starting point is 00:46:50 It looked like a piece of junk. But when they cleaned it, they realized, no, it's a machine. A machine that is 2,000 years old. And then they took x-rays of it, and they realized it's a computer. My God, a computer. A computer. A computer that was supposed to be a gift to Julius Caesar. But the ship sunk, and it was there at the bottom of the Mediterranean for 2,000 years until divers found it.

Starting point is 00:47:21 And when they moved the coral away, they found out that it was a computer. It was an analog computer that modeled the universe. The universe known at that time, Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, like a planetarium, a little planetarium that you could put on a desktop that modeled the known universe 2,000 years ago. But that, I'm glad you brought that up.

Starting point is 00:47:46 That blew my mind. I'm going to look up the name of the town where that was from. But yeah, go ahead. So again, I don't study that aspect of history. Like there's a lot of people that take these lost artifacts and they try to place them. I think it's fascinating. I only bring it up just to say,

Starting point is 00:48:02 look, we don't know how how advanced atlantis became we know some things when we go into the records and i and i think this is probably an important point to make before people think that i'm just spouting off something that plato made as an allegory anti-cathira was the name by the way okay i had to get that yeah yeah we have so much emerging evidence that atlantis was real and not only that, but other civilizations, that it's becoming overwhelming. I want everyone for a second just to take a step back and be like, I don't care about Plato's story right now. Let's put that off the side. I'm so sick of people saying that that's the only reason Atlantis is around or exists because of Plato.

Starting point is 00:48:41 It's not true. Can you give the context of that for people who aren't familiar? Yeah, yeah, yeah. People will say, a lot of mainstream will say that Plato made up the entire story of Atlantis based on an allegory to compare against the pre-Greek culture to show their superiority

Starting point is 00:48:53 as democracy versus an empire. That's their, he's got all kinds of stories in that. But what I would point out is, no, he only used the example of what was real to then show. Because we're, we're just,

Starting point is 00:49:13 we're working on releasing the new season of ancient civilizations five on Gaia. And what we do is we go deep into telling the actual evidence that it, to prove Atlantis existed in a way that nobody else has, but only that to prove that there was another rival civilization that existed at the same time called the ancient athenians the pre-greeks now and how many years are we going back with this we're going back over at least 20 000 years because plato gives us the date of atlantis destruction so we don't know when atlantis was created but we know when it was destroyed atlantis was destroyed 2,000 years before Plato existed.

Starting point is 00:49:47 So we're talking about, or before Solon. So we're talking about, not 2,000 years. We're talking about a date, a time period of around 10,600 years or so. And who is Solon? Solon is basically an Athenian Greek priest or poet who is the first person from the outside world to come into Egypt and learn about this ancient history that they didn't know. And I haven't even told the story of Atlantis yet. Let's stay on that. I don't want to get you off it.

Starting point is 00:50:18 Yeah, I don't want to. So what we need to point out is that the story doesn't come from Plato. The story comes from much earlier ancestors. It comes from a man named Solon who came before Socrates. Okay. So one was, was a Greek poet and philosopher who was the first person from the outside world to travel to Egypt thousands of years ago. This is before, um, before the Roman Empire went and basically destroyed Egypt. And I think that's important for us to understand. What happened was Solon goes and visits this incredible temple called the Temple of Sais, S-A-I-S. And it was a real temple and there's been art depictions drawn of it because it was destroyed after Solon left. We don't know exactly how long, but after Solon learned about the story I'm about to

Starting point is 00:51:08 tell you and left, within the next thousand years, the Temple of Sais didn't exist any longer. Somebody destroyed it. Somebody wiped the story that I'm about to tell you. Solon goes down. He finds this incredible temple near Heliopolis in Egypt. And he finds this elder priest named Sanchez. Okay, Sanchez is the name for people that want to look it up.

Starting point is 00:51:31 And he had a bunch of other priests with him. But Sanchez was a special kind of priest. He was an elder priest that knew absolutely ancient. I say absolutely in quotes. He knew ancient history so old that it wasn't really even recorded by most other places in the world anymore. And how did he know that allegedly? The Temple of Sais had inscriptions writing the entire history of Earthdown. The Temple of Sais was supposed to be like the Library of Alexandria, not that far away.

Starting point is 00:51:58 That was supposed to be a library of the works of people through literature and all these things. But the Temple of Sais was supposed to be this way to record our history. And it's described that these priests were, the single thing they were supposed to do, there was nothing else, was to maintain the story of history. And they had this entire

Starting point is 00:52:18 story of this ancient civilization called Atlantis written into their walls. And they say that Egypt came out of Atlantis. And what, what he says is he says, so on you Greeks remember one deluge, but there have been many that have come before primarily of water and fire

Starting point is 00:52:40 goes on to tell him that what we think of as the old world is not even that old, and that there's ancient, ancient chapters of civilizations that have come, risen, been destroyed, and then tried to rise up. But every time they were destroyed, more and more knowledge was lost and not less. So Sanchez tells Solon this entire story, and he takes it back and he tells it to two people. He tells it to Diodorus, who's another Greek philosopher. I love Diodorus. I wish people would lean more on Diodorus than Plato for the story of Atlantis. Diodorus, and he told Socrates.

Starting point is 00:53:19 Plato wasn't even around yet. That's what people don't know is that wasn't in socrates didn't feel like it was he believed that we shouldn't write things down because they can be misunderstood which is kind of silly because he used to give talks and uh eventually he was poisoned by his own government just so you know he was killed socrates was murdered by his own government for speaking out and when that happened plato that's sketchy pl Plato talks about how it was, it was like, it's like losing a father and how he then took up the role of writing every piece of knowledge that Socrates had taught. Socrates was like his great mentor. He taught everything to Plato. So he took on this task of writing everything that Socrates had told him, but

Starting point is 00:54:03 knowing that Socrates, this is why people, I need people understand this, knowing Socrates had told him. But knowing that Socrates, this is why people, I need people to understand this. Knowing Socrates had just been murdered by their own government, poisoned, because of speaking out, he couldn't write the story of Atlantis down. So he woven it into, put it into an allegorial story

Starting point is 00:54:19 so that people would, like the truth would be preserved, but also they would think it's an allegory and it's not real. He's brilliant. Like he did it so the truth would be preserved, but also they would think it's an allegory and it's not real. He's brilliant. Like he did it so that he could be preserved. He had to do that. That's how the story went.

Starting point is 00:54:34 And that's where, but Diodorus and Plato and Solon and the Sanctus priest of the Temple of Sais, this isn't a myth. Like this is real. And the Egyptians say that there was a grand civilization that existed west of the pillars of hercules okay straits of gibraltar in spain and that it was a civilization that lived somewhere around the azores in the mid-atlantic ridge and they were right on the mid-atlantic ridge so people that don't know what that is it's two tectonic plates that come together in this massive area and it's one of the most active places in the world for earthquakes and volcanoes why would you build a civilization on

Starting point is 00:55:09 that well that gets into other like whole questions about whether or not they were trying to utilize energy in a certain way or something right because it seems like we keep finding examples of these civilizations like built right on a fault or something or built somewhere that's unstable but obviously they have different reasons for doing it which would but on the surface it seems like it goes against their supposed intelligence that they had like they're not thinking like we do they're not like oh hey look they have there's plenty of water over there for agriculture this is a great climate we can like chill out hang out they don't care about that these were advanced people they already they already mastered that they already mastered all those things they were now doing something for other reasons that we are still trying to

Starting point is 00:55:55 figure out like why the great the pyramids were created well dumb question here maybe but thinking across some of these different periods across the different younger dryas type periods is it possible that from an evolutionary perspective some of the people we're talking about are not humans the way we are humans there's some other type of life form that's in a similar plane but is in some ways different so one of the things that the big rabbit hole we're going to go down when we get to it because this is all just sort of, just so everybody knows, this is literally just laying like the framework for what we're about to talk about. We haven't even gotten to it yet. What we find is that there was an obsession in the ancient world over bloodlines. And I mean like an obsession. We talked last night about how the Egyptians in the Book of the Dead would be obsessed with this idea of a being that was a ruler that they thought was like a descendant of the gods, that they would go through processes to try to bring that soul back in after it died to rule again.

Starting point is 00:56:54 That's how obsessed they were, was that they saw it as being something – and I don't want this to come across as being some kind of a racial or superior thing, but all people on earth are amazing and beautiful. They simply, they had the opinion that there were gifts within those bloodlines that connected to these ancient Anunnaki Anunna gods of Sumer, to lay it out

Starting point is 00:57:20 there. They believed that the kings and rulers there were descendants of them. with the one of the them the weird things we have evidence to support that though is that some of the lengths of reigns is really weird when you look at sumerian king list and we look at like understanding the journeys of like the gilgamesh and all these things they list commonly and not just in one tablet but many many tablets that some of them ruled for like a thousand years. Is it possible that there's some sort of mistake in the dating going on there or their system could have been different in how they measured that?

Starting point is 00:57:54 I don't believe so when you read the tablets because they talk about it. They talk about how humans used to almost be immortal. But could it – all right. Here's another one. So like you look in North Korea right now where they're brainwashed. They know that like their former supreme leader is dead, right? But their current supreme leader, his son, is alive. The grandfather and the father are dead.

Starting point is 00:58:18 But the idea of the grandfather and the father live on as like a deity saint. And so I don't know. I'm not North Korean. I don't know what it's like to be brainwashed like that. But perhaps there are people there who in a way view them as this living spirit or whatever. And if they were writing down their history that was found a million years from now, I don't think they're allowed to do that but if they were you know perhaps it could be mistaken that like kim young il the father was alive for the next thousand years totally totally get that and i think the reason we see that is because they're trying to

Starting point is 00:58:56 mimic things it's weird it seems like the later groups that came tried to have the mindset and do some of the things that the earlier groups could do and they couldn't do it. And I say that because we find architecture of them trying to build around some of these structures and they just couldn't do it. They tried all over the world to do the same stonework and they couldn't do any of it. And so what I'm trying to say is I think there's tangibility to all of this. And that there were literal people that are talked about as living for hundreds of years. And I say that because there's a sets of tablets, one called death of bill games, the

Starting point is 00:59:32 epic of Gilgamesh, uh, Atrahasis. I could go on and on. And I've studied, I'm one of the premier experts of studying ancient cuneiform from Sumer, Babylon, Assyria, and that whole region. I've studied more than 150 tablets from the best experts in the world. And the whole purpose of how I've connected this is that I've taken what is myth, considered myth, and taken all these real locations and what they say in them and try to create a timeline to recreate history. That's where this comes from. And what they say,

Starting point is 01:00:00 you say that like it's Tuesday. And what they say in the tablets is that this king we're about to talk about in this story was the last human given immortality on Earth. Given immortality. Yes. It states that after he lived, it says in the Death of Bill games, it's a tablet, it says that after that point, it's the biblical Noah figure whose real name was Untanapishtim or Zayasudra. It states that he was the last human being

Starting point is 01:00:31 that was ever immortal and that all humans after became mortal. And what we find that's, to answer what you were saying, is we find later Kings lists, later ones, after Kish and after that time period of like the later iterations and they were only ruling for like 80 years 70 years something

Starting point is 01:00:54 happened something happened something happened to us and they that's but that's the whole point is that those bloodlines survived and they had gifts within them and i think the gifts enabled them to create things that we don't know how they did but they're just not in any way quote unquote immortal or no yeah but though i think that's why groups later like now there still is an obsession with bloodlines yeah because weird stuff i was gonna say you keep saying this and i'm like in my head i'm going what how's that different though in a way i mean i i got neighbors who are like all about their family and shit and you know have had the same business different you know what i mean yeah this is imagine there was a group of humans that were like superhuman okay and i'll imagine that group of humans is the one that created all of these incredible structures around

Starting point is 01:01:43 the world including the pyramids of egypt and they're put to end when you say superhuman there's a correct me if i'm wrong here there's an easy connotation to say perhaps they emanate from not of this earth that is a possibility that is a distinct possibility and truthfully i think that we're like the ancients of all echoed matter it's hindu texts vedic text sumerian text it whether or not it's something from ancient atlantis if the same thing is echoed we are an incredibly powerful being that we don't understand and we've forgotten and that our ancestors were like the remnants of gods and giants that's what they state atlantis was not ruled by mortal humans it It says that Atlantis was ruled by demigod kings beneath the king Atlas. There was a king named Atlas,

Starting point is 01:02:29 which is why they're called the Atlas Mountains in Maritania. And the Atlantis civilization is based on the Atlantic Ocean. They state that there were demigod kings that ruled from a specific bloodline of Poseidon. And Poseidon, you find out, is the exact same god as Enki and Sumer. So there's a lot of parallels that are really interesting here when we look at these civilizations. So what do I believe before we get into the proof? I believe that Atlantis and the Athenians were there, and potentially Egypt with the Giza plateau, which used to be called Kemet or Kem. I believe that represented the height of the greatest level these civilizations ever reached in

Starting point is 01:03:08 our history that's what i think they are but it's relative in the sense that there's things we could have today that that are insane that they never scratched the surface of but overall when it comes to knowledge of previous civilizations when it comes to knowledge of previous civilizations, when it comes to abilities with architecture and some other things like that, you view this as by far the most advanced way ever worked. Well, imagine you had a society that wasn't structured around materialism, first of all. So imagine like, so I just want to throw it out there.

Starting point is 01:03:36 Why do we need a phone? Like, why do we need one though? To connect us to other people. Okay, but now we don't go talk to anybody and we don't go talk to our neighbors. We now have connected to a whole other group of people around the world, but we've disconnected from most people around us. I see what you're saying. They believed that the inherent core of what makes that people needed to be taught in great schools they

Starting point is 01:04:08 called in in a people that were unique had to be identified and encouraged so they had these great mystery schools egypt and peru all these places and what they would do is they would identify people that are unique and special and they would try to encourage the gifts within them to reach like almost like superhuman abilities, telekinesis, psychic abilities, things that we don't understand now. They created temples of very specific energetic spots on the earth to align to the stars in the cosmos for like a portal between the stars. I'm telling you, we think they were primitive, but they just had a completely different mindset than we did. It sounds like they're more or less the things across a large scale of our population that we're focused on. Like you put the term materialism on it. I'll take it a step farther.

Starting point is 01:04:54 The things we're focused on are earthly. The things they're focused on are otherworldly. They were obsessed with this hermetic concept, like obsessed, which is this concept of as above, so below. It's called the law of correspondence. They believed that if you created a structure on Earth that mimicked the stars, you could harness the energy and power of the universe. So they created the three pyramids of Giza to represent the three belt stars of Orion because they believe that Orion was an incredibly powerful star system that I don't think we understand how. For instance, Graham's got this great theory that he says where he believes, Graham Hancock, where he believes

Starting point is 01:05:36 that the Egyptians showing the Milky Way constellation in Orion, they believe that the path of the souls through death and incarnation was through the milky way and but specifically through the belt stars of orion so maybe they were mapping out the path of the afterlife but that's only one tip of the iceberg because if you were to try to balance the poles magnetically and they didn't shift from these events and we haven't gotten into this yet you potentially could avoid disaster on the earth. Because all of this, in my opinion, is reflective on the energetic movements of the earth, not the physical movements.

Starting point is 01:06:13 That comes after. The energy of the earth, the poles are shifting and the magnetic sphere of the earth is all screwing up. Then everything on land and water is going to follow. Plates are going to shift. Volcanoes are going to go off. Everything is, it's like a ripple, like a wave in a pool where you set it off

Starting point is 01:06:28 and it takes a second for the actual reaction to occur. Hey guys, just a really quick note about this part you're about to hear. For about two to three minutes, there's a little bit of an audio interference in the background. It's only bad for about 15 or 20 seconds,

Starting point is 01:06:41 but I could not remove this part because we then expanded upon it so much afterwards that it would have ruined the whole flow of everything so just bear with me you'll see a countdown timer on the screen that's going to show when it's pretty much all done and the rest of the episode is smooth sailing so i don't want to go to the pyramids yet okay but what you're getting at here is essentially saying that to me like as my conclusion would be that these these people were thinking about the the tiered civilizations so like what I think new I think meet you defined it like type 0 type 1 type 2 type

Starting point is 01:07:18 3 yeah I believe and correct me if I'm wrong in the comments please I'll check it after this but I believe a type two civilization is harness the power of a star, whereas type three is intergalactic. So essentially what you're telling me is that these people who perhaps didn't have things like the iPhone or something like that were thinking way ahead of that though, because that's type zero type shit,

Starting point is 01:07:38 to harness the power of the sun that they could then use for their purposes to become intergalactic. I think, and nothing against Michio Kaku. I love that i love that man i love i just think we're too focused on technology in those sense that we see it so perhaps like imagine a structure built at a very specific stone with minerals in it that have like for instance mostly quartz based which we know quartz is is critical component of time based, um,

Starting point is 01:08:05 being able to keep, keep track of time. Quartz. Granite is one of the highest concentrations of silica quartz in the world. It's just not, it's not, these things aren't random. They seem to be using those as their technology.

Starting point is 01:08:17 You understand? So they create this structure that's got like an energetic signature, a vibrational signature because of what they made. Then they align it to the stars or the sun or whatever they're doing the same thing they're like they're like a type two civilization that's different than we're described though they're just they jumped yeah they jumped to use um like nikola tesla everything the universe just comes down to vibration and frequency like we're we're going about this the wrong way we we can get there this way but there's other ways to get there they they went a different path they went a different direction because i think that there's there's there was it was known

Starting point is 01:08:57 not perhaps not to them but maybe like archetypes of all this is it was known that going this route is dangerous going the technological route is the most is the quickest way to destroying yourself but how do you know that before you do it because that's not even like you look at our history of technology every single time we've had some sort of crazy new technology that okay hits the airways there's always the doomsday sayers who are like oh my, my God, this is going to end us. It's going to disconnect us. And to this – I'm not saying that won't eventually happen.

Starting point is 01:09:28 I get it. But to this point, every time those people in history look very stupid. So how could at, say, the most type – like primitive technological level, like an industrial revolution type level compared to where we're at right now, how could a civilization of of group think because that's what people still do they fall into group thing how could they possibly have the foresight to foresight to say we're going to prevent all of us from ever trying to make shit like because i think we're looking at it through the long the wrong lens i feel like okay imagine just let's open up our minds to the idea that the universe is vast and there are trillions of Earth-like planets and worlds. But let's try to not even focus on that for a minute. What is described in these tablets is that they created civilization with specific blueprints in mind.

Starting point is 01:10:17 They called them MES, M-E-S. And there were these divine tablets that said, and you can look one up. One of them's called the code of Hammurabi it literally is the blueprint for how to create a civilization the moral structure is there um how to think of our of us in terms of how powerful we are then there's many others like this they're sort of similar to Moses's 10 tablets but that's like a whole later thing so the Hammurabi code of laws I have behind you, a collection of 282 rules,

Starting point is 01:10:48 established standards for commercial interactions and set fines and punishments to meet the requirements of justice. Hammurabi's code was carved onto a massive finger-shaped blackstone steel pillar that was looted by invaders and finally rediscovered in 1901. Yeah. So Hammurabi says, it's so funny, like,

Starting point is 01:11:05 and I'm going to, I'm going to paraphrase just out of my head. It goes, sure. Hammurabi. Um, I was basically like devoted or appointed by, uh,

Starting point is 01:11:14 Bell Marduk to rule over the black headed people and blah, bring justice and blah, blah, blah. Right. What, but the point I'm trying to make is he says he's handed it down, not by like a person

Starting point is 01:11:26 but like a god Belmar Duke was the was the god of Babylon in ancient Mesopotamia and one of the things that's that's so odd is that in records it's talked about how Mesopotamia is conquered by later groups and one in particular that's mentioned that, I'm trying to think of the name of it, not Alexander the Great, but I'm going to think of it in a second, but he mentions how he conquered Babylon and he was afraid of their patron god,

Starting point is 01:11:58 like afraid of him in a way that it wasn't like an idea is what I'm trying to say. Is that just interpretation? I do believe there's validity to some of these creators of what we're talking about. Do you think it could have been urban legend though too? And that's what he's afraid of because he actually believed it? It's described that if you fall out of the favor out of the favor of some of these powerful gods that you become nothing and that you disappear into the history books and that they call themselves the ordainers of destinies because we're essentially like we're in a great play

Starting point is 01:12:39 like shakespeare said we're all playing roles and but anyway the point i'm trying to make is when kingship was created in in eridu which is what we're going to jump to in a second here, it describes how civilization was created and came out of nowhere, like literally out of nowhere. And that it wasn't just that the civilization emerged there, they emerged with nearly everything that we know today is the building blocks of our civilization the sumerians created invented agriculture basis of all civilization metallurgy right working with metals animal husbandry having animals um astronomy um astrology fermentation like i could literally go on and on what years are we talking about the sumerians by well which way? Well, which iteration did they invent that?

Starting point is 01:13:26 I don't think it's a 6,000 year one. I think what we're talking about with Eridu, and which is why we're about to get into all of this, how old is Eridu? I think Eridu may be over 50,000 years old. Just thinking about all the shit that had to happen between that. It's huge. That's what I just can never wrap my head around.

Starting point is 01:13:45 Like how any of this. We can't even agree now on what happened 11,600 years ago. And then you start talking about 50,000. It's like it's unconscionable. Okay, so can you look up a stat for me? Sure. Tell me when like the first camera was invented. When was the first camera invented? french inventor nice afford and a piece i

Starting point is 01:14:09 definitely said what's the year though what's the year images in 1825 okay how long ago is that that's like 200 years ago yeah give or take in 200 years look at how far we've come. Oh, yeah. Okay. Now imagine if a civilization had been advanced that disappeared 12,000 years ago. Oh, it's absurd, man. You can't even fathom it. I don't think we can wrap our heads around it. And that's why I can't believe when we start talking about whatever these periods are. Yeah. It doesn't matter if it's 12,000, 50 000 wherever you're going i can't fathom a world i mean you did say like

Starting point is 01:14:51 digital referring to atlantis i do want to come back to that but like i can't fathom a world where they didn't have something way beyond like ai and this is where the open question um needs to remain though is we don't know how advanced atlantis became and that may be why we have those weird artifacts in the mediterranean and the i want to add one more thing we know that atlantis didn't didn't leave behind any stones with writings in them it means that they had become advanced enough they were probably doing what kind of like what we're doing with at least paper scrolls and paper and other means and that just tells us that they were already at a different level because and that doesn't mean it was a good level because i think that they became too

Starting point is 01:15:34 cocky and arrogant it's described it's interesting because we have a lot of details of what happened to atlantis it's described that atlantis started as a pure place of incredible knowledge and then and then what happened was it became an empire and became warlike and it describes how it even had slavery going on in north africa like this these are like detailed details right and how there was a rival civilization that existed at the same time as them that was the only one that could stand up to them militarily the ancient athenians like the pre-greeks right which is why the greeks and that whole area seemed to have this like perfected democracy that seems to have come from nowhere they it describes in that and how they were the birthplace of democracy the original athenians and they weren't using slavery or empire

Starting point is 01:16:25 building that's why plato used them as the two examples in the timius and critias as well as his other books because they became the perfect two examples of how one civilization can be corrupted and turn to an empire and how the other one can still maintain strength but can maintain their core values and it describes how how Atlantis went to war with the Athenians and that ultimately the Atlanteans were destroyed during the earth catastrophes at the end of the Younger Dryas. Plato gives us an exact date. And do we know how long, some of this stuff, like there's a lot of details going on. So there's a couple of things you repeat here and there, just bear with me. But do know how long approximately atlantis could have lasted

Starting point is 01:17:06 for like when it began if we know where it ended we the best i the best we can do is and i placed atlantis as being created 50 000 years ago based on um honestly largely circumstantial evidence but we have to put it somewhere and i base that on geologic history of that region, when things occurred. And I also base it on, I do think that Edgar Cayce, who was a psychic medium, is one of the only few that I actually think was legit.

Starting point is 01:17:39 Ever throughout history. What makes you think he was legit? The things he said, a lot of them have come true. Like what? Like when he discusses aspects of Atlantis ever throughout history he was legit the things he said have a lot of them have come true and like what like when he discusses aspects of atlantis and and what happened later it matches up with like archaeological evidence and evidence from that period of what was happening and it just it gives credence to the fact that they had recorded as much as they could about this and then even like the temple priests of sais were ultimately either killed or died and the temple was destroyed. And so I want to throw this out there, but if Solon had never visited Egypt, we would never know any of this existed. in the past talk about atlantis there's arguments over when there's arguments over where and it

Starting point is 01:18:27 seems like it's it seems like it's all over the map so what like but plato gives very detailed descriptions of where it is and how big it is and how many rings it has and that it was located basically all like randall breaks it down in his podcast. Randall Carlson really well is that, listen, we're pretty sure it was like right where the Azores are. If you go look at bathymetric charts of the seafloor, you can see that there was a plateau of land that, that was underneath that area that was like wiped out.

Starting point is 01:18:59 Now the descriptions of how it was destroyed is important because it says that it was subducted and sank into the ocean. Now, when we look at plate subduction, plates moving, it's on the Mid-Atlantic Ridge, exactly where plates are moving right there. So if we were to have a plate dive under the other one during catastrophe things with the earth,

Starting point is 01:19:19 it literally can take that entire civilization, whatever, and just sink it to the bottom of the ocean, which is exactly how it's described. That's exactly how it's described. And the weird thing, I want to add one little thing to that. There's this really bizarre set of ruins

Starting point is 01:19:34 that validate that. Off of the western tip of Cuba, in the early 2000s, they found these incredibly bizarre ruins at 2,000 feet underwater feet underwater like you want to pull up something really quick go look up sunken city off of cuba really quick sunken city now this is what gives gives credibility to the fact underwater formation click that right there what that is is there was um some marine engineers that were hired by the cuban government holy

Starting point is 01:20:05 shit yeah so they were marine engineers hired by the cuban government in the early 2000s to go search off of western cuba using sonar to find shipwrecks and like uh gas deposits and they had no interest in archaeology at all and what happened was they were surveying 2 000 feet underwater off of western Kipa, Cuba, in this massive sandy plateau that was literally like miles and miles and miles long with no rocks or anything. And they come across this set of structures that is 11 and a half by 11 and a half miles. I'm going to put the picture in the corner of the screen. Actually, I think it's square. It's square miles or whatever, but the surface area is enormous these pyramid looking things

Starting point is 01:20:45 so what they found is that they pull out these they used sonar recreation to create what's on the floor because it's 2000 feet below the ocean what they found is apparently that's not too deep in light of the titanic go down there in a fucking tin can what they found is it almost made them not share it because

Starting point is 01:21:08 they were thought they're gonna be ridiculed they've they found this and they use these recreated sonar images and they were baffled and he sat the zielinski is his name they he sat on uh sat on his computer i guess for months and one day he had a calendar next to him. And it had a picture of Mayan ruins. And he like freaked out. Because it's like that. Because he realized that this is right off the Yucatan. It's between the Yucatan and Cuba.

Starting point is 01:21:37 Of course, the Mayan civilization is very mysterious. And it's supposed to have potential links to Atlantis. He shares this with a geologist named Iteralde in Cuba, who comes out for a second expedition and starts getting the interest of National Geographic. Okay, so Iteralde goes with him. He's a geologist from Cuba and they go with a submersible to the wreckage and it dives down and they analyze it and he says he's completely baffled by it and then it's not not natural by any means and that the structures look like

Starting point is 01:22:12 a series of streets temples pyramids and if anything yeah what's the right so the right side of this picture again i'll have that in the corner of the screen so we have the pyramid looking things on the left yes but is that supposed to be on the right side, like those street patterns? Yeah. But notice in the bottom part of the image, there's severe destruction. Something happened here. There's stuff strewn all over the place.

Starting point is 01:22:34 They described it as massive blocks that were strewn all over the ocean floor. Now, here's where it gets bizarre. They built the blocks out of what looked like giant granite, just like we see in other parts of the world and they were cut very precisely and the geologist said and this is where the atlantis i get another theory of atlantis it or all day the cuban geologist says that the only time that that part of the ocean could have been different enough geologically would have been

Starting point is 01:23:00 50 000 years ago he said exactly that number uh Ah, that's where, okay. He said exactly 50,000. That's another, that gave me a little goose bump. Right? He says 50,000 years ago, just like Edgar Cayce said about Atlantis. Now, here's what's, I want to add another little thing

Starting point is 01:23:15 for you to freak you out. There was a Tibetan library in the 1901 or so where there was a traveling anthropologist expert in the region, Tibet. And he met with this Buddhist monk who had told him that he had discovered a secret library known as the Cave of a Thousand Buddhas.

Starting point is 01:23:35 Okay? In that library, up in this cave up in the mountains, in that library, he found these manuscripts from all over the world, from different Hindu texts and all these things but one of them had a map had an ancient map in it and the map depicted atlantis as a region that existed from west of the pillars of hercules as a region all the way to to the

Starting point is 01:23:57 yucatan and that that really was i think would that make that means that those ruins off of cuba are part of atlantis so it's stretching across the whole fucking earth it means that it's part of atlantis that's why we see similar architecture in peru than we do in in egypt and we do in our other parts of the world but obviously we know pangea pangea was like millions of years ago so that's that's not that's completely irrelevant yeah but is there any type of possible explanation that says the plate movement could have shifted things way off course? I mean that seems way too far for me for that. That's crazy.

Starting point is 01:24:36 Here's the thing that's weird. Every single ancient structure in the ancient world, cities or whatever, they aligned themselves to true north. Okay, magnetic north. All of them did. They were obsessed with cardinal points and understanding all of that. It had to do with energy. Every single one of them,

Starting point is 01:24:52 every single one, anywhere in the world, is off by magnetic north by 23 and a half degrees. Every single one of them. Perfectly 23 and a half. If you look today at the axis of the earth and what creates the seasons,

Starting point is 01:25:04 there's a 23 and a half degree shift on the earth, Earth and what creates the seasons, there's a 23.5 degree shift on the Earth, which is what creates the procession of the equinox. It means that when those structures were created, we did not have an axial tilt that we have today, which is why they describe the ancient world as being very different climatically and

Starting point is 01:25:19 geologically than it is now. Something happened so significant during Younger Dryas that it shifted the axis of the Earth. Now you can explain how something like Atlantis could be subducted with plates because we're talking about

Starting point is 01:25:38 catastrophes during that period that were so severe. It was like an apocalypse on the Earth. Is there any even slightly confident, decent theory as to what that could have been? Yes. So this falls into two camps. The two camps may be overlapping.

Starting point is 01:25:56 I will acknowledge that. Okay. I, and that's, that's just getting into what may be like an entire part two of this podcast because it's like a whole nother rabbit hole now i have enormous amounts of respect for randall carlson and graham hancock and others i i love their work the only thing i disagree with them is on why these things happened i based on the fact that i have not seen evidence of any cosmic impact craters on the earth that are less

Starting point is 01:26:20 than 13 000 years old it and again and a grandle and i had a great debate on this and he's like well what if they're micro craters in the ice caps totally yes maybe if i if you had if you had um parts of a meteorite or an asteroid that that broke up and hit the ice cap yeah you wouldn't have any geologic evidence of that agreed but the problem is that the the effects we're seeing on the earth also align precisely with massive coronal mass ejections. Massive what? Coronal mass ejections. Can you explain that, please?

Starting point is 01:26:52 Yeah. So like Robert Shock is the one who spearheaded this whole thing. And his theory is that if we look at the Rongo Rongo text from Easter Island, he and his wife believe they figured out that their plasma plasma um are displays in the sky plasma like from a massive event that's about to happen elect electrically like through um shifting of the poles in the magnetosphere you would have these massive plasma um figurines in the sky and things that would go off because there's such charged energy in the atmosphere with that with those shifting of the Poles that literally be chaos. There would be lightning storms all over the earth. There'd be plasma discharging

Starting point is 01:27:32 So his theory was that the people knew that was a warning sign That that's that something was gonna happen. That's when they would go underground Now he doesn't say the underground part I want to just be very clear because i don't want to say something how are you taking he just says that's a warning they notice that as a warning that an event is about to occur and so you think that ties back to things like you saw like a beckley tabby yeah okay now the reason i say this is this we have structures like um there's a snake monument that's in peru um that's outside of like the whole machu picchu cusco area that's got a black stripe across it called vitrification means that the rock melted that same stripe we can find in other places um in the colossi of memnon we can find it in the

Starting point is 01:28:21 kinnis rock in iraq and we can find it throughout megaliths in Turkey and even in China and other places in the world. Remember they built with mostly granite? Yes. In order to melt and make a black mark, you would have to melt, literally melt the rock. If you were to melt granite, you'd have to have temperatures on the surface that exceeded 2,000 degrees. So you go to Death Valley, right, today, everyone today everyone's like oh my god it's 118 nothing how about 2000 my god meaning that everybody anybody who's on the surface you incinerate in areas would have been just evaporate basically and so that's why they had to go

Starting point is 01:28:55 underground because what we're and that didn't happen everywhere on the earth can you even but hold on could you even be saved there didn't't happen equally everywhere. So that we wouldn't have any life on the earth still. We're talking about events that are somewhat localized, but all over the planet. So some areas get hit a lot worse than others. Like for instance, it seems like the Amazon was like, besides massive flooding was mostly intact.

Starting point is 01:29:21 So there's like parts of the world that didn't seem to be nearly as impacted. And it looks like they're near the equator. That's why like Randall Carlson talks about how, mostly intact so there's like parts of the world that didn't seem to be nearly as impacted and it looks like they're near the equator that's why like randall carlson talks about how the greatest the greatest amount of megafauna meaning large animals we still on the earth is in africa which would show because of the fact that most of the megafauna in the northern hemisphere was just was killed during the younger dryas event And some iterations of that came later, but they're nowhere near what they were before. Yeah, which is, okay.

Starting point is 01:29:53 But Africa was largely escaped some of these events. And so that's why so much of the life in Africa is still maintained from ancient, ancient times. Whereas in the Northern Hemisphere, everything is smaller. Bears are smaller. Beavers are smaller. Deer are smaller. Everything is like the smaller version of what it used to be so what do you think when we gotta we gotta get into this too we haven't even started this yet

Starting point is 01:30:18 we haven't started the thing that you think is going to change history yeah yeah well let's go there then you want to jump there? Yes, let's do it. So in my studies, what led me to all of this is that about eight years ago or so, or more, I can't remember exactly when, I started becoming almost obsessed with cuneiform tablets. I didn't want to regurgitate something that someone else said. And I'm not going to mention a name right now. But I wanted to know who the best translators in the world were and who knew this better than anyone and what i realized was there was a man named george smith who was literally the first person to crack this code so imagine we need to wrap our

Starting point is 01:30:59 heads around what sumerian is sumerian is is a language that came out of the Sumerian civilization where most of these tablets were written. It is the birthplace, I believe, all of everything came from. And in that region, they mentioned how... I got off my track and train of thought. What was I talking about for a second there? The Sumerian text with george smith yeah thank you thank you what they what they found was that the the sumerian civilization the language they used is what's called the language isolate meaning that the language doesn't share characteristics with any other language on earth which is extremely unusual almost all other languages share similarities like for instance what we're going to discover is that greek shares similarities with armenian which is where this region is okay so sumerian is an ancient language that eventually about 2 000 years ago died out and no one on earth knew how to speak it

Starting point is 01:31:58 that's what we're talking about if you want to know what an alien language is it's sumerian we have no idea where it came from it shares no similarities with any other languages on earth and but it's spoken by human mouth so it's an ability that we can make the people that wrote it were destroyed and so much such a long period went went went on between that that all humans on earth forgot how to read it or speak it all humans at that point in 1848 when these tablets were discovered there wasn't anyone on the earth and knew how to read it gold and i that's a stat i want people to look up so how do we read it now how do we so a man came along who is one of my greatest heroes and i write about and i talk about how I want him to become remembered in the way he should.

Starting point is 01:32:46 His name was George Smith. George Smith was a true genius. He was obsessed with what I am now, with understanding this ancient story and how in 1849, Austin Henry Laird went to what's today known as Mosul, but it was originally called Nineveh. And he found the greatest library ever amassed in history. Yes. It makes the Library of Alexandria look like nothing.

Starting point is 01:33:13 He found what's called the Ashurbanipal Library, and it contained over 50,000 cuneiform tablets. Okay? The greatest library ever amassed in history. And the second greatest library ever amassed in history and the second greatest library ever amassed in history we're going to get to in a minute called ebla and that's going to you don't even have alexandria top two alexandria to me is non-substantial compared to this really yes because people talk about the the burning of human intelligence that happened when that thing burned down.

Starting point is 01:33:45 They were paper. I mean, yeah, there was, I imagine some good wealth of knowledge there, but again, paper can only survive so long. You're talking about carrying down written records on paper.

Starting point is 01:33:56 I am always suspect of that always. But if you're going to go to the great lengths of creating tablets that mimic each other, and that's what I want to make clear. I have translated using the best translators like George Smith smith and i want to tell a story in a second on a tablet that's from like the sumerian civilization and then there's a tablet say from the babylonians that came a thousand years later has the same story when you mesh the same stories together and you find common similarities it starts to become become very credible. When you say you've translated a bunch of this stuff, is this from things you're able to

Starting point is 01:34:28 access at home or sometimes traveling to areas where you have to look at? I am learning to read Sumerian right now. It's not an easy task. I've been working on it for about eight months now. And how did he figure out? Thank you. Yeah, that's the great point. So he's, this huge library is found by Austin Henry Laird.

Starting point is 01:34:44 Doesn't know how to read Sumerian at all finds the library yeah right they get them all together they ship them to england to the university of oxford george smith sits in a room for god knows how long staring at these and reading everything he can and trying to figure it out. And it's described that just out of nowhere, one day he's in his office and he just figures it out. Okay. Here's what's weird. Sumerian doesn't have an alphabet. So how's it written?

Starting point is 01:35:15 So every language in the world has an alphabet. Sumerian is based on symbols only. So if you have a phrase, it references something very specific and it can essentially only that phrase means that one thing. So he had to try to figure out what every word meant. Because in languages, when you're trying to decipher them now, it's not that hard. I mean, relatively.

Starting point is 01:35:39 What you do is once you figure out the base alphabet, you then can figure the rest out. Without that, they had no knowledge of how to do that. do is you once you figure out the base the base alphabet you then can figure the rest out without that they had no knowledge of how to do that so i'm going to put a picture yeah samarian text in the corner of the screen thank you so it's to me i mean hieroglyphics in a way kind of they're similar to hieroglyphics except they are more like wedges okay it's like wedged writing and so one day hieroglyphics are more like creating symbols like they? It's like wedged writing. And so one day he goes Eureka. Hieroglyphics are more like creating symbols like they show snakes

Starting point is 01:36:07 and like they have symbols for things, right? Right, but these are more, yeah, okay. So one day he just goes Eureka and he's got it. He screams. It's described how he's in the office and he screams. I mean, think about, imagine cracking a code

Starting point is 01:36:21 of a language that nobody's spoken in 2,000 years that contains the greatest library in human history ever amassed. But how do you know you're right too? Well, so he cracks the first tablet ever, ever. The first set of tablets was the Epic of Gilgamesh. He cracks it and he starts what he's not. He's a very smart man. I love his books.

Starting point is 01:36:40 He's a genius. What he did was he took Assyrian and Babylonian and Akkadian that are not Sumerian. They're written in Qunea form, meaning the wedges, but they're not the same language. He took the similarities in those stories and he compared to the Sumerian and he matched them up. He got so smart. He realized, wait. So in Babylonian, this is the word for mountain. And it's referencing the same place in these tablets. He figured it out. He's like a genius. Oh, shit.

Starting point is 01:37:12 Yeah. He figured it. He literally uncovered something that nobody has figured out. So in a way, he's using all, not to oversimplify this, but he's using geography. And previous similarities. I wouldn't i'm not gonna say the languages have similarities but the locations are so like he takes babylonian or acadian and he matches up things that are the same he can figure it out you know using a known language and then backpedal and then fill in the. He's just like a genius. So he cracks the code, he cracks the epic of Gilgamesh,

Starting point is 01:37:48 and then other experts come after and confirm everything that he had said. Other experts that had studied on their own, they're called the seriologists, even though they're studying Sumerian. And those names are like Samuel Kramer and Stephanie Daly, and these guys came along and they took his translations and either tweaked it slightly or confirmed everything the association said. All right. So to play skeptic here, how can they confirm when there's only one source in the first place? You don't have anything to compare it against.

Starting point is 01:38:19 As things went along and other experts were able to study these, I want to give you a time frame of how different this is. George Smith translated these in like 1850. Okay. All right. 1850 to 1860, somewhere in that time period. Stephanie Daly and Samuel Cramer didn't come for like 100 years later. This isn't like right after. This is a body of study that is like over great amounts of time right so they

Starting point is 01:38:46 confirm everything that he states so then i as someone who wants to know the truth looks at this at a lens that they're not looking at at all because it's 1970s and 80s and this is all myth and it's not real remember yeah and that's very important to point out even through the lens and i love stephanie dolly and i don't think she's ever going to point out even through the lens and i love stephanie dolly and i don't think she's ever going to listen to this but she does um i i have no i have no no ill manner to understand why they went down the route they were their academics you have to i understand what do you mean you have to if you were to read these tablets and be like i think these were really cities that were actually real.

Starting point is 01:39:25 And they're from like an older time period. No, because it gets shut down. The body of history that exists right now is extremely controlled. Everything fits into a 6,000 year window. And that none of these advanced civilizations or anything we're talking about exists. That is such a disgrace.

Starting point is 01:39:40 I mean, I just don't God, the stupidity of smart people i will never understand it you know and it's not to say like it's not to say that a guy like you or other people looking at this stuff can't find evidence that is then later refuted by better evidence that's the whole fucking point i don't understand like it pisses me off when when I hear about scientists in anything. I don't care if it's this, other forms of history, medicine, whatever it is. Historians, the academics. I'm sorry, not scientists.

Starting point is 01:40:12 The academics that shut down debate or shut down the entrance of new things because it's going to be peer review. Fuck your peer review, right? Fuck your peer review. If people, especially in today's world well i'm sorry i'm going off right here but this i think about this a lot like yeah especially in today's world where there is ultimate access to so many things through the click of a button where people can go and actually review things for themselves it doesn't mean that there aren't going to be absolute idiots out there who come up with stuff that makes no sense of course i know that but

Starting point is 01:40:43 you're telling me across a whole population that's what's good no there's going to be people who actually discover things and when you talk about you were telling a story earlier about who was it not not plato was it socrates was poisoned by his own people for speaking out yeah his government okay so he was viewed as like an academic or something he was he was speaking out where he was not supposed to but still someone some asshole who knew shit about fuck decided to murder that guy because they didn't like what he said and they had power.

Starting point is 01:41:07 What's different now? And he's one of the smartest, most enlightened men that ever lived in history and they killed him. I just... That's why Plato did what he did, remember?

Starting point is 01:41:15 It's history repeating itself. Plato was so worried. Well, it's about to get worse. How? When I show you these sites and I tell you what happened to them.

Starting point is 01:41:23 Alright, let's go. Okay, so. I take the best translators in the world. I cross-reference every version of these tablets and I create basically a document. Taking all, I took every single city, everything mentioned as different time periods, as kings and bloodlines, I took the whole thing. This is about a year ago and I created a working timeline. If you want to show it, you can. I have a website. It's thestageoftime.com

Starting point is 01:41:54 Good little plug there too. Yeah, and you'll see a tab on there called something, you'll see author and then timelines right before it. Books from the author, ancient texts and timelines. and then scroll all the way to the very bottom and so if people want to read these texts that i'm talking about i have them right on there 200 000 year time yeah civilization yeah all right i'm gonna stick that in the corner of the screen okay so that we have it so i behind

Starting point is 01:42:17 you right now i create that based on this understanding and seeking of trying to recreate the ancient world from not having a limitation. So I do need to mention this because I think it's important based on your rant. I imagine you go to school and you work really hard to be an archaeologist.

Starting point is 01:42:41 You really spend your debt financially or whatever. You blah blah blah. You get to go to these sites. You're digging your debt financially or whatever you blah, blah, blah. You get to go to these sites, you're digging around. If you even speak up about an alternative theory or something that doesn't fit, you're laughed out and you lose every bit of credibility. And then you probably would be forgotten in history or whatever, because you probably would be so hurt by that. And then we know that people like Graham Hancock have taken brutal hits from the mainstream academic world over this. And so people think that this is just willy-nilly,

Starting point is 01:43:10 like we can just throw this out there. No, like this is, this is the doctrine of history protected, maintained and controlled and guarded. That's why people like Zahi Awas in Egypt will refute any evidence and conversations with like Graham Hancock about how the Great Pyramids have no pharaohs and how there's all these aspects that don't align with what we're talking about. They fiercely fight that narrative. Fiercely.

Starting point is 01:43:35 But that leads to what we're about to do because I don't want us to all hate on every single academic because I know that maybe they didn't have the guts to stand up, but I also wasn't, maybe it wasn't the right time. Now we're at this time where people are open to hear it and it's building something. I don't, and I'm glad you say that because what I don't want to do, and I'm guilty of it sometimes by accident, I'd like to think a lot of it's by accident, but you don't want to paint everyone with one brush when i say that and i refer to like the academics or something i'm referring to the people who are most vociferously going out of their way to tell these people to fuck off and and i don't and that those people for instance and i i do want to call him out i think zahi was is the best example that exists that egyptian guy he he protects fiercely the old egyptian paradigm which has arguably the most amount of evidence that it's not true there yeah that guy can suck a dick he sucks what what really

Starting point is 01:44:31 stinks though and i know that people are listening this they're gonna know they show images like i don't know if you know this but the sphinx has at least three entrances did you know that no you can pull it up right now look at um entrances to sphinx there's one on the head there's one on the bottom um of below the leg and there's one on the front underneath the front of the body all right we'll put this in the corner now zahi was has been shown um well there's a bunch i scroll down they'll find more uh where's the head one we need to find one on the head right there no i need you to find one that says... Right there.

Starting point is 01:45:06 Okay. That's the head of the Sphinx. Now, this isn't... If anybody doesn't believe this, go look, because there's images of Zahi Awas climbing down these stairs and other entrances to the underworld of Egypt,

Starting point is 01:45:19 and they state they don't go anywhere and they're not of interest. So they know all about this. They know all about these places places and it just becomes stupid. Do you think he's a front then? Yeah. They hire people to be the head of archaeology regions that will play the game and are part of a very specific type of person. Or they beat them into subsistence.

Starting point is 01:45:37 Or they threaten them to bring a bunch of junk that they had in their life to be exposed or something. It's true and it's and it's unfortunate but it's the way it is all across the world and if anybody thinks well how come this guy that's like you know only 39 that blah blah blah like how can i discover we're about to talk about because i'm not held back by the things that they are and i can just go wherever the evidence goes and go wherever i need to well who's to say they won't stop you well and if i get big enough we'll see but it is i just don't think that the same system of silencing potentially people and that i don't know if that exists anymore and what we're about to get into you're gonna see how insane this is that it's like it's so obvious that this is deliberate

Starting point is 01:46:30 that it's not like a hypothetical anymore and i think that's an important thing to get across because i don't want to go down too far down the rabbit hole of conspiracies and things that are held back but it's just very obvious in this way that what we're about to talk about and not even the new discoveries, the other stuff that was started this for me, um, is we should, we're not allowed to talk about. That's the really what it comes down to. Right before we get into it though. Can, can we just stop for one sec? I gotta go to the bathroom. All right, we're back. Okay. So I think the first place we have to start is, as I mentioned, in studying around 100 to 150 of these tablets from the Sumerian, Akkadian, and Babylonian civilizations, once I knew the translations were as accurate as possible, I then timeline, my crusade began with the idea that I wanted to recreate the ancient world and the story of history

Starting point is 01:47:30 from the best available evidence we can. And that I firmly believe that the information within these tablets from Mesopotamia was being ignored is essentially what the focus became because mainstream thought it was a myth and a legend it wasn't real the crusade for me was to try to understand how these this civilization that emerged that was supposedly the first ever on earth ever and that and we'll get into that a second but how that led to everything else that's what this is all about. It's about putting breadcrumbs together in puzzle pieces to recreate history in a way where we don't only not only are we shattering paradigms, but we're paving a completely new road that's never been paved.

Starting point is 01:48:16 I have a quick question just before you go all the way deep on that, because it's been permeating throughout this whole time where i'm like well where could this tie in evolutionarily if we're talking about multiple different generations across catastrophe it means that human beings or something very close to us across these different spectrums of time existed meaning we evolved obviously a very very long time ago so do you have any thoughts on when exactly that happened and what the first parts of like what we would consider air quotes like human yeah uh i guess like presence on this planet the reason why i did a 200 000 year timeline is not just circumstantial evidence what we find and i really would encourage people to look into the work of lloyd pie like pi pye pye he was a genius in my mind and i don't agree with everything he said

Starting point is 01:49:14 in regards to some let's say some of what he connected with ancient sumer and everything but what he was an expert on is looking at genetic traits of humans. He basically was an expert at studying genetic traits and looking for diversions within our, our, the lines of humans. And what he found was that 200,000 years ago, supposedly the exact creation of the first city. And this,

Starting point is 01:49:42 maybe even referencing the whole like adam and eve type of story just the creation some some kind of a taking a blueprint of a human like a neanderthal denisovian and somehow something else completely emerges something comes out of nowhere that's not as related to that as we think as as related to neanderthal denisovians something totally different something that is more like a child of the universe where we have, it's really weird how, like, for instance, the earth has almost the exact same amount of water as we do in our body. And how our blood is composed of iron. It's the same core that the earth spins. We're like perfectly designed for this earth is the best way to describe it.

Starting point is 01:50:23 Like perfect here. Okay. But not in a way where we're supposed to be hunter gathering or living primitively we no longer all of a sudden the hair mostly lost off our body he just he discusses how all the traits that would be necessary for us to survive in the way we've been told just all of a sudden vanished and someone be like well evolutionarily they really don't need them anymore. But no, this happened like out of nowhere. It's not like is a slow thing.

Starting point is 01:50:49 And we've also never observed any kind of a primate in any stage of a change over the course of human history ever. Not even one slight change where it was like converting into something else. And I'm not someone who's completely against all aspects of evolution. Sure. I want to make that clear. What I'm not someone who's completely against all aspects of evolution. Sure. I want to make that clear. What I realize is that based on others is that evolution may be more based on the macro versus the micro. So like some, for instance, I think that something, an animal, yes, can develop more hair or change things like, yeah yeah those things absolutely happen but for something to be able

Starting point is 01:51:25 to for instance go from um a giraffe or like a whale to us i don't understand how that'd be possible and i want to give an example of that i talk about how in australia there's a creature there that proves that i i believe it proves that evolution isn't exactly what we've been told not what's the creature the platypus are you familiar with the platypus i am familiar with the platypus is the weirdest goddamn animal on earth okay i'll put a picture in the corner of the screen okay people aren't familiar it's a mammal that lays eggs that's poisonous that is supposed to be like a half bird, half duck. It doesn't make sense. But is it possible that something like that was through evolution and the diversity that it was across these millions of species, it happened to be located in an area that evolved it to be a hybrid type animal?

Starting point is 01:52:22 It's potential, but I want to give it an example for why i think that's not true okay lloyd pie pointed out this really weird thing about humans i don't know if you know this yet but humans have 46 chromosomes and all primates have 48 all primates on earth know that every single primate has 48 chromosomes has to do with packages of dna basically yes okay what they found within the human human homo sapien sapien was that there was something within our DNA where parts of it had been, like, altered. Yeah, I'm serious. And what they call those alterations and those things that scientists don't know, they call it junk DNA. That's what scientists call it because when they compared every other comparable thing on

Starting point is 01:53:05 earth genetically they found this small little area within our genetics that doesn't match anything on the planet is it possible that we are still too primitive technologically speaking to properly test something like that perhaps but here's the thing that's weird like like randall says we've been taught everything's based on gradualism whether it's geology or genetics and or evolutionary changes meaning things happen very slowly over a very long period of time however we know from these disasters that that's not true we know that the earth does go through periods when extreme things happen it doesn't happen all the time yeah but it does happen okay those extreme moments also

Starting point is 01:53:46 seem to have occurred with us and what i mean is not only take the chromosome thing for a minute like which is very very strange because how something like a splicing of a dna or altering could happen naturally i've had i've seen no anthropologists or scientists that can explain that it's not talked about because it's sort of like hush hush the whole junk dna aspect of this because we do share like 98 with every with like a cow i really do one one of the types of guests i haven't had in here that i want to have in very badly as like an evolutionary bio yeah lloyd pie died though unfortunately really no no i i know i'm talking i'm talking about i'm talking about like just a general one yeah yeah to go through it. And what Lloyd Pye also determined,

Starting point is 01:54:27 besides the chromosomes and besides the human body totally changing, structurally too, it started to take on characteristics that were not suitable to survive in the wild at all. Like what? Our ability to, like for instance, we're not strong anymore at all. Neanderthals and Denisovans were unbelievably strong.

Starting point is 01:54:46 The strength of what we are is like nothing compared to what they are. The way that we have genetic diseases and the way our bone structure is and everything, it's like it was designed in a way to function for a different reason. To not be living off the land. To function as something with like a greater. Is the way I would describe it. Okay. And what Lloyd discovered was that 200,000 years ago, the human brain more than doubled in size. 200,000 years ago. At once.

Starting point is 01:55:15 Yes. Out of nowhere. And then we go to places like Gobekli Tepe to bring it back home to that. They radio and carbon date those pillars to be 11,600 years old. But they find, this is what's fascinating, that when they dig down through the layers underneath Quebecly Tepe to try to like basically give a timeline of figuring out when things happened, they find something so unusual that you're never going to hear anyone mainstream talking about it. They find that at the Quebecly level that they have this advanced, I mean mean with agriculture and other things that came out of nowhere like literally there's like a layer where all of a sudden agriculture and all these things start happening and then the layer right below it they find hunter-gatherer evidence right so i i've heard graham talk about yes a ton so one of the questions there would be is there first of all can you define for people who are, again, basically unfamiliar with this, what you mean when you say hunter-gatherer and then we'll go off something from there.

Starting point is 01:56:12 So there was, just like there is today, with all the advancement we have as humans and flying around with jets, there are still very remote places in the world where people have no technology. Yes. And live literally like in another world. Yeah. What's one of the examples there's an island off of india that is famous because literally they like killed someone in the past or something yeah yeah right yeah like you can't even approach it and so that same thing was going on then but to a greater degree i want to point that out it's like there was two things going on at the same time which is so confusing which is

Starting point is 01:56:42 why so much of this is getting getting meshed together well if think about it though too because sometimes i get confused why we get confused by this like like human beings are so interconnected because there's fucking eight billion of us and like we have technology and can communicate all over the world only 400 500 years ago guys were sailing across into the goddamn abyss to fucking find shit that they knew nothing about and when we look at other species like be it like the on the monkey side right there's different types who maybe some of them don't communicate with each other and don't recognize the the the sameness of each other right you've heard about like chimps eating monkeys yes stuff like that so they seem like different like. What's to say that at some point when there was a lower number of humans at a much smaller touch point of communication, why they wouldn't recognize a human as another human, which we are literally, I think, seeing when you talk about like those people on those islands and stuff who are just like, oh, someone comes on, like kill it. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 01:57:42 Yeah. You see this in the Amazon still to this day. Yeah. were just like oh someone comes on like kill it you know what i mean yeah you see this in the amazon still to this day yeah i think that i think that what was going on was confusing to them i think that what was going on is not like now like those people in those islands they do know we exist they these people didn't know what was happening there. Imagine there's a primitive type of person that's been here for 100,000 years or more. Wandering around, right? Living in caves, killing animals, like trying to survive. And imagine if all of a sudden this area of Sumer, Mesopotamia, this emergence of a different human comes. Like out of nowhere.

Starting point is 01:58:23 And it's not related to evolutionary means so what are you getting at that it could be related to i firmly believe after studying the tablets to the degree that i as extensive as i possibly can they echo the same thing over it's like it's almost it's almost over the top they they try to compete for claim like for instance there's babylonian tablets and there's sumerian tablets in akkadian they're from different time periods but in them it's kind of funny because like there's a babylonian version of the same tablet if we like the enuma elish or something it's called in terms of the enuma elish for babylon and then in sumer and what we find is that they try to claim ownership for

Starting point is 01:59:05 creation of humans in different tablets for different people so like bel marduk i mentioned and by the way i want to correct what i said before i couldn't remember the name of the conqueror of of babylon his name was cygnus the great okay cygnus the great conk famously conquered babylon for like the first time in history because it was a very powerful empire and he wrote about how he was deathly afraid of their deity belmar duke and i want to bring it back to that again not as like not as an archetype of nature but he was afraid of him he said that and so when he conquered babylon he described how when they went into the city they they didn't touch anything. I'm serious. They didn't ransack or do anything because

Starting point is 01:59:48 he was definitely afraid of these gods. Discuss how if you take a temple and destroy it or something, it's the ultimate thing you could do here. To be bad, right? So he comes in, he conquers Babylon, and he's like, shh.

Starting point is 02:00:04 Like, dipto around, like, take some treasure, and then rule the region. But he was really afraid of them. And people should go read his memoirs and like talking about it. The point I'm trying to make is, in the Enuma Elish, he takes credit for creating humanity, Belmarduk. Bel means ruler. Belmarduk. And in the Sumerian versions, his father Enki takes credit for creation of humans. The point is they're competing. It's not like there's one group saying this. The same group is trying to compete to be like the all supreme. Like they're trying to be God here.

Starting point is 02:00:39 How much of what you're saying right now is based on... I don't even know. Not opinion? No, not gonna say that i don't even know if you can properly ask this question because i don't know if anyone including you would have a way of determining the answer but like i always try to think of like separation from source yeah so like if belmar duke in this case like said what he said and i created humans and then the person who was who he was saying that to or among the people yes wrote it down right there and we're brocious okay brocious are we reading brocious's first person allegedly air quotes account yeah of what he's saying and what's fascinating is that we know that it came over a thousand years later so it it came over a thousand years later.

Starting point is 02:01:26 So it means that... What came a thousand years later? Their version of the story, writing it down on the tablets. So they became... This is important to understand because it has directly to do with the influences of these regions we're about to talk about. And the patron gods that then created them because it seemed like there was a war going on with some of them over competing.

Starting point is 02:01:51 And we know that because there's a set of tablets called Enki and the New World Order. And in that, it discusses how some of these gods like Inanna and Enki and Enlil are given domains and regions of the world to run. I'm telling you, this stuff is like mind-blowing. And it talks about how Inanna is unhappy because she's got the Indus Valley in that region of India

Starting point is 02:02:10 and up through that region. And he's reminding her that it's important that she still has that. And teaching her a lesson that it's not always about like wanting more or something. Basically, right? But the thing that's like so strange is that they have

Starting point is 02:02:26 conversations and very detailed descriptions that it would to me would be impossible if it's just planets or aspects of our solar system or aspects of nature those do exist okay there are gods represented as storm gods and different things and those those are like archetypes of nature, but there's something else going on too. There's something else that I'm saying is where we came from. They, and I, you led me to this point. I got to say it just because it's important,

Starting point is 02:02:58 but George Smith at the end of his, his first book called the Chaldean account of Genesis, highly recommends like one of the most amazing books ever written in history. At the end of his first book called The Chaldane Account of Genesis. Highly recommend. It's one of the most amazing books ever written in history. At the end of his book, and remember, this is like 1871. It's like, nobody understands any of this yet. There's not really a control system anymore at that point. Not in history.

Starting point is 02:03:16 They didn't understand anything. They were like, trying to figure things out. Okay, not in history. Okay. No, no, I meant in history. Like, for instance, they had no idea where to put this. Or Egypt. It was sort of trying to figure it out. Yeah, I understand I meant in history. Like, for instance, they had no idea where to put this. Or Egypt. It was sort of trying to figure it out. Yeah, I understand what you're saying. Go ahead.

Starting point is 02:03:28 So George Smith, at the end of the book, Chaldean account of Genesis, says this incredible line where he says, he clearly shows confusion over the Anunna. And just to be clear, the Anunna is a Sumerian term for their gods. Anunnaki is the later Akkadian Babylonian term. So the original term was called the anuna now on or anu i've determined is god i know a lot of people might not like that but

Starting point is 02:03:54 it's i've studied every tablets and the the descriptions of it and the comparisons what leads you to that conclusion i mean that's a big conclusion. They're not as different as we think. We're not talking about a non, it's not a competing aspect where I'm like, they're saying God doesn't exist. That's what I'm trying to say. Because a lot of people will get very mad, especially religious groups, when any of this is brought up because then it's like they're refuting that some kind of a prime creator or source exists. Of course. Okay. So the more descriptions you learn of this Anu or An, which is where Anuna, the word, came from, Anunnaki came from the word Anu or An,

Starting point is 02:04:33 and basically it means children of God. They're like fractals of the actual source. And that's why it claims that they're direct descendants or sons or daughters of An. Because An or Anu is God. And so it leads you down to this very, very difficult rabbit hole. Because what George Smith points out that's really confusing is that it talks about how they come at different time periods in history.

Starting point is 02:05:04 And he says that in the book. And man, this is like literally the greatest genius in Assyrian, Sumerian history of all time. And before they're sidestrapped from certain ideas, he notices that the Enuma Elish talks about how they somehow apparently came here before the earth is like it is now. It describes how it's like it was like chaos volcanoes everywhere there was like it describes it as having no life so it's

Starting point is 02:05:32 during one of those periods literally billions of years ago potentially billions wait hold on yeah yeah we just skipped a lot i know i just threw that out there and i'm how else can what makes you say billions because they describe how there's no life on earth none like none yeah but not even microbes not even so how did it because they're god creatures they survive no they didn't come from here i know it says they're god creatures they survive apparently the earth and i've come to the conclusion that listen as far as we know of any planet we don't know of any planets in planets in the known universe that have as much quartz as Earth does. Quartz. Okay.

Starting point is 02:06:09 Quartz seems to be, again, all those megaliths they build with is the highest concentration of quartz of any stone they can. Quartz seems to be this resident energy of creation. It's literally like if you had, it's like we're on a giant crystal. If you look at the silica content of earth like for instance if you go down to a beach that's non-coral based like a beach of sand and you pick up a a big scoop of sand like 90 of its quartz because silica is the most common element on this planet quartz is silica silica is used entirely for time keeping. And you're saying it's like the material creation. A giant crystal. It's like a giant crystal here.

Starting point is 02:06:47 So how did... I know, I just blew your mind. Yeah, you did. You're breaking my brain right now. Okay, hold on. So how does that... Does it come back to what I was insinuating a minute ago? Like it's because they're like sent by a god-like creature

Starting point is 02:07:03 that they survived without an ability to have anything to eat they're not physical beings they can be physical if they want to they discover discuss it as that not only that they can incarnate as a human and be a human here and that's why i believe we've had great humans throughout history that are like non-human we are them but they're like a super version of us we're like the children of them and we're we're like creator gods of the universe and then and the funny thing is that this this reality has been created here where we are it seems like the purpose of it is to make us forget that and to keep us in a very simplistic mindset

Starting point is 02:07:43 in a very simplistic type of distraction and doing all these basic things is I think the whole idea. And I take this back to something called, it's a Gnostic text called, uh, the Nakamati. And it talks about in that, how there's this jealous God of, of here that talks about how he's like almost hates humanity, how we became so powerful and we weren't supposed to be that it says he casts us down into the lowest form of matter so we could we could be like in turmoil as as a like a way to we have to force we have to work our way back up again to to eventually become what we started as this is starting to get like karmic yeah i'm telling

Starting point is 02:08:26 you the whole thing is it gets gets to the point where it's hard to like be around people because it gets so deep and you start like it like disrupts all of reality used and because the more they talk about it they say you're ready for this this line that's like probably not but go ahead in the atrahasis it's the tablet we're about to go into all this it talks about the creation of humans and it specifically it says that we it says inky you were you were tasked with creating humanity to relieve the toil of us the toil okay and it talks about he says where you went you were to aren't you ready for this i want you to think about this for a second it's the most profound single line i've ever seen in any any of these tablets and it's mentioned more than once it says where you went you were to undo the chain

Starting point is 02:09:18 and set us free so what does that insinuate to you well in the legend of atana we learned that enki ended up taking up a role in the underworld this is where it's about to get even more bizarre so now we're getting heaven and hell shit they start talking about how they like assumed roles within reality and like would could command and control over them they're not what we think it's described that they came here in the enuma alish and altered the entire planet so that life could start right and then george smith goes on to say well but then they just disappear for a billion years and then they just show up to create humanity when it's time wrap your head around that when it's time when the when all of a sudden we don't have dinosaurs

Starting point is 02:10:03 running around the world eating everyone and all of a sudden we don't have dinosaurs running around the world eating everyone and all of a sudden our planet becomes um sustainable for life like on a way that mammals can can continue here denisovians and the interfalls seem to have led the way towards something that was like a plan how long ago again did they say the dinosaurs 65 million years ago when i get into my binary work stuff and i talk about you with you with the dark star and how potentially it may have exploded 65 million years ago and you were talking about the initial a few minutes back you had said i think this is referring to like some of the what's the name of the god again anki no and the other one oh belmar belmar yeah that's the son of enki your quote was

Starting point is 02:10:46 it could have been billions of years ago or a billion i mean i won't just say billions i'll say a billion but either way yeah it remains yeah so we're talking way before time doesn't exist for them time doesn't exist if you are if you are a multi-dimensional being and you exist in other realms of reality it's called the fourth and fifth dimension. This is where we're going to get into physics. I wish Michio Kaku was sitting next to us. Well, this is the shit he was blowing my mind with the multiple people walking in the room. Exactly.

Starting point is 02:11:15 Okay. So what we're talking about is we exist in the third dimensional reality realm. This is a realm of the physical material world. It's the only realm that the physical material world exists in its in that totality meaning that time here is in linear form because of organic breakdown entropy essentially entropy is the reason why things in the third dimensional reality anything that's physical always breaks down i have a question on this for you personally sure when you start talking about things like this that get into physics yeah and like the actual science and stuff obviously you do a ton of

Starting point is 02:11:49 research across history i'm not an expert i just want to point that out okay so what my question was going to be you're basing everything you're saying like right now based off the people like the michi like the michis of the world the best physicists in the world that are willing like for instance i want to just give a shout out to Michio Kaku because he to me is the greatest physicist that's ever lived, only because of one thing. Yeah, he's as brilliant as all the others, but he's willing to

Starting point is 02:12:14 talk outside the box about what's possible out there, the paradox that exists in our universe with extraterrestrial life and possibility. He's like so willing to just not be clamped down by something that he's the only one in my opinion that's that just is willing to talk about that in an open way and there's a lot of physicists who hate him for it i know they out of that i know

Starting point is 02:12:36 like whole thing i obviously like the guy that's why i admire him so much awesome dude and blows my mind but one of the reasons i think they attack him well there's two things there first is kind of what you're getting at right there which is that he will look at things beyond what we can even process or test and put them together and people will say you're going so far it's loony and you're just talking out of your ass about whatever i disagree that he's talking out of his ass i think he's just thinking outside the box yeah and secondly you're talking about a guy who for i don't know how long call it like 30 40 years in that area worked on the science hardcore like as a scientist yes and now i mean he's he's an older guy yeah he's like 76 years old right it's amazing he's a machine like you'd never know it but

Starting point is 02:13:21 you know for the last 20 years it seems like or take, he has given his life to being the – and he said this. Like I'm a popularizer of science. I'm someone who goes out and discusses it so that the kids can get interested in it and everything. And from the perspective of the fact that we have so many young people in our society who are not interested in math and science, people like Mich are so goddamn important make it exciting make it something that's like fascinating yes so that's where and i understand where he gets a lot of attention because he's on tv and stuff and people get jealous of that like it's a human thing i get it i think it's weird and you shouldn't you should never get that way but people get that way but you know to to whitewash like the work he's done and what he's doing now i I don't agree with it.

Starting point is 02:14:07 I think it's wrong. But that's the whole point of why I admire him so much. Because these are pioneers in their field that are willing to go above and beyond to challenge a very tightly controlled narrative. And it's been like that for a long time. And then people accuse him of being tightly controlled too, which that's what I mean. No matter what, you're not going to be able to win but when i call it when i go on a rant like i did a little bit ago those types of people are the ones who are going out of their way to vociferously shut everyone down and tell them to fuck off and the thing that's amazing is mitch

Starting point is 02:14:37 ukaku i know he's like incredibly smart guy he realizes that the greatest contribution you can possibly make here is to be remembered. There's nothing else you can do, but be remembered in a positive way. And so Michio Kaku, I bet you he made a decision at one point that he's like, I'm going to just speak the truth of what I feel. And because I want, I bet you he wants to shift our thinking towards something greater, to shift our thinking towards something where we incorporate more ideas of what could be and how amazing the universe is. It really is. Yeah, I kind of wonder.

Starting point is 02:15:15 I mean, I think everyone does at a human level. They think about how they're going to be remembered and stuff like that. I think it's a human thing. But then the opposite is true, though, where they don want to be take a chance and then lose everything they work for so it's like it's like a sword it's like a tight edge like a really narrow sword to try to to follow that great point so um what i'm trying to i don't remember where we were do you remember where we were we were talking about the anuna and like the whole idea they seem to have took up roles within our reality and this is why yes you were talking about the interdimensional stuff and i so many people are so obsessed with the whole

Starting point is 02:15:49 ufo alien phenomenon right now and i i kind of chuckle because i absolutely believe there's beings all throughout the universe it's vast of course there is statistically but i think that we're sort of looking right at them we are them and they're all throughout our murals and depictions and talking about us we're looking in the wrong place in my opinion you think it's all here I think that any extraterrestrial species who's incredibly advanced

Starting point is 02:16:16 that could possibly get here through some means whether it's linearly through star system travel or through some kind of a gateway or portal it'd be more like there's an inherent responsibility. That's always put on top of that. When you reach that level,

Starting point is 02:16:30 hit pause on whatever you're listening to and hit play on your next adventure. Stay three nights this summer at best Western and get $50 off a future stay. Life's the trip. Make the most of it at best Western visit best western.com for complete terms and conditions. It's truck month at GMC. Tackle the open road with added confidence in the 2025 Sierra 1500 Pro Graphite at 0% financing for up to 72 months.

Starting point is 02:16:56 With an available 5.3 liter V8 engine, 20 inch high gloss black painted aluminum wheels, off-road suspension with available 2 inchinch factory-installed lift kit, plus a towing capacity of up to 13,200 pounds. You'll be ready for anything this Truck Month. Truck Month is on now. Ask your GMC dealer for details. I think Star Trek nailed that. And I think that if you, any group,

Starting point is 02:17:18 would always have that inherent responsibility to watch without us ever knowing that they're there. Why would they ever just willy-nilly fly around and pollute a timeline with people and start and do that it's an inherent responsibility that's been that's been grown over the course of what that civilization's ability to get to where they were after a hundred thousand years or whatever like we yeah i think we're just a little bit too simplistic with our thinking. And so, yeah, I bet you were being watched by all over the cosmos. Absolutely. I bet you were like a reality show.

Starting point is 02:17:51 Like I said to you last night, it's like a bunch of angels all killing each other. But what you're also talking about, and maybe I'm losing it in the timeline of us jumping around here, but what you're talking about with, you know, an ancient like god people sent here that that is an alien and then if we are just if some of us are descendants right of them and then the rest of us are just some species that formed i'm getting real meta here yeah yeah then like there could be a small group of them among us right and i i think that the challenge is i guess i just don't like polluted terms you don't like what polluted terms. You don't like what? Polluted terms. The word aliens becomes so polluted that I almost don't even want to say it anymore.

Starting point is 02:18:32 Because the thing I don't believe is I do not believe they arrived here on ships and stuff like that. I don't believe that. Because the tablets, these beings that are described in this that created us, they don't need any of that. It's described how time doesn't exist for them. That's why they could come here a billion years ago and then come during a different time period.

Starting point is 02:18:55 Because when you're in the fifth dimension, time doesn't exist at all. It's nothing. So time wouldn't have, you wouldn't be waiting around like watching your clock. Everything would literally happen only in the moment. Do you think it's possible? I love this topic. I'm really glad you're on here. Do you think it's possible that there's some form of

Starting point is 02:19:14 a controlled simulation? I actually don't like using the word simulation there, but do you think it's possible that there's some sort of like controlled experiment for things to be seen on on rare occasions by different people around the world in a consistent basis where they can make a similar description yes and people really saw what they saw such that you know the the instant the instant detraction from like any of the arguments on ufs is like, oh, well, if these civilizations were so smart,

Starting point is 02:19:46 why the fuck would they ever be seen? And it's something I throw out there all the time too. I always say, I think they're doing it on purpose. So do you think there could be things driven from things on this planet that are doing those things on purpose? And it's not just like, oh, the CIA is doing a couple experiments. It's like actually something else. The best way I can describe it,

Starting point is 02:20:06 and this is very unsettling for people, is that source creation that created everything in the universe created it perfectly. Source creation? God. Okay. There is a perfection to everything. If there wasn't, everything would collapse and just destroy itself.

Starting point is 02:20:23 Everything is perfect. I want to give you an example. And I don't want to get too far off where we were though okay and let's actually yeah where were we exactly we are going to talk about how um how these beings are related to source but how they altered our reality in a way that we're almost like we are in some kind of a simulation yeah that's a good point to make sure we keep that. Literally writing that down. Yeah. And I'm going to say this for all the people at home.

Starting point is 02:20:51 One of the things about you, and you and I were talking about this last night at dinner, is that you have so much, forget like the timeline and how long it is. Yeah, we haven't even done this yet. There's so much history that you'll go through and stuff. So when you do podcasts, sometimes people get frustrated if like the host accidentally gets you off something and you don't come back. So I want to make sure if you're going to do context, we're going to come back. Yeah, we're going to come back, guys.

Starting point is 02:21:12 Don't worry. There's a lot to tie back. Yeah, we're going to come back. I promise. We haven't even gotten into the heart of what our whole point of this conversation is. But I think this is context we need to understand. And I know that this is overwhelming to some, but if we don't lay it out,

Starting point is 02:21:27 what we're about to talk about won't really, it won't really make the same type of understanding or make sense the same way. Okay. Our Earth and the universe, in the way that everything moves, the way that elements come together, and the way that everything is, is perfect.

Starting point is 02:21:45 I once saw a statistic, and I don't remember exactly what it is, but if anything in the physical aspect of our understanding of the universe was even slightly like 0.00001 different or something, everything would like collapse and crash with each other. Yeah, it's perfectly tuned. Everything is perfect, right? Now, imagine you're someone who comes to visit Earth, right? And you're learning about the biome systems here and the environments, and you're like, okay, so right now we're on the East Coast. In summertime, spring, summer, the leaves come out

Starting point is 02:22:14 and the trees all do their thing. And then what happens at fall? The leaves fall to the ground. They create the essential components of all life continuing at that point. Organic matter breaking down is the only reason why life can survive here. But so perfect, though, the way that plants deal with oxygen and carbon dioxide and the way that they drop and then another, everything grows based on this cycles of death and rebirth. And everything is perfect on this earth, except for us.

Starting point is 02:22:45 We are something that's an anomaly. It seems strange, like we're here almost like we're visitors and we're trying to figure it out. And the way that I've described it as, is we seem more like stewards of the earth than anything else. Is that we're supposed to be here taking care of it, and that's perhaps why we were created in the first place. This is where it's

Starting point is 02:23:05 leading back to this because in the tablets it talks about how there was this lower group of these gods called the agigi i-g-i-g-i i-g-i-g-i okay and that they were creating temples and clearing river channels in the euphrates and tigris before we were here. It does. It clearly states that. It says that before any mankind was here, they were like demigod gods that were doing the work for these like overlord gods. That's the best way I can describe it. Powerful beings that have a great interest in this place. And as I said, George Smith,

Starting point is 02:23:40 his quote is, they seem to come backwards and forwards in time. Here though, they have a great interest in here and they talk about how they're always like fighting against the chaos of nature to alter it to the to what they want now getting back to what we were saying is that the ajiji eventually revolted that's what it says in the atrahasis it's an it's a one of the almost ancient tablets from sumer and most of what we're going to be talking about comes in the Atrahasis. It's one of the almost ancient tablets from Sumer. And most of what we're going to be talking about comes from the Atrahasis.

Starting point is 02:24:07 By far my favorite tablet. And it states that the Ejiji revolted didn't want to do work in this physical realm anymore. Imagine, think about realms for a minute. They didn't want to do that anymore. It's like almost like lower work. And so they decided to create humanity based on their gifts.

Starting point is 02:24:24 But so we could toil, they said, do the work of the gods. Okay. So we are created to do everything here. Infrastructure, taking care of the river channels. Because people don't understand that. They talk about it all the time. Because if you have a river channel in an arid area, the Euphrates and Tigris, and you don't clear it out, it'll fill with silt and you can't use it anymore. So they talked about how you had to clear the river channels with a sediment to keep them open

Starting point is 02:24:47 to flow, or they'll fill up a sediment in arid areas. So it talks about how that's what we needed to do all that stuff, grow everything, build temples and all these things. Does this happen, are you saying this happens naturally because of how we were programmed or there's also some source communication

Starting point is 02:25:03 that happens among some of us that allows us this again very meta remember the whole concept of like fallen angels that idea that's it that's what happened is that wait hold on right i want to make sure i understand is this getting into like some of the stuff that like diana walsh basolka talks about maybe i don't i don't know her work. Okay, continue. We're not going to go into biblical stuff too much. I'm just going to scratch the surface because it is the only way we can understand this. In Lebanon and in the area of Syria is a place called Mount Hermon. Mount Hermon is supposedly where some of these fallen angels in the Book of Enoch came down.

Starting point is 02:25:45 Now, the Book of Enoch, for people that don't know, was originally supposed to be a text in the Christian text, the Hebrew Christian text, but it was taken out. What's that? Mount, how do you spell it? Mount Hermon, H-E-R-M-O-N. Oh, I'm spelling it wrong. Sorry. That's in Syria, you said?

Starting point is 02:25:57 It's on the border between Syria, Lebanon, and that region right there. Okay. I'll put that in the corner of the screen for people. So the point is, these creators did something they weren't supposed to they supposedly broke these these universal cosmic laws that exist now we're getting deep and i can't bro we got deep a long time ago there are supposedly cosmic laws that exist in the universe that they're supposed to adhere to which are which are you creation can only happen if it's based on certain things they violated creation by

Starting point is 02:26:35 and i hope i don't lose people with this but they describe how they created us and we were so perfect that some of them had sex with the women. This is where we get into demi-bloodlines. And where are you getting, what's the source of that one? The Book of Enoch. It discusses, in other places, but the Book of Enoch predominantly says they were fallen, or they became fallen, because they slept with the daughters of men. And that's in Genesis too.

Starting point is 02:27:04 That's in Genesis as well. They slept with them. How is that in Genesis? I don't remember the exact passage, but it says in Genesis, it relates to giants and fallen angels. It says they slept with the daughters of men. And men meaning mankind

Starting point is 02:27:18 because we weren't called human beings. We were called mankind. That's what our name is from their text. It's originally called mankind.'s what our name is from their text is originally called mankind so they create a perfect creation it's so perfect that i mean literally as someone who's a you know beautiful women are beautiful they really are percent okay i happen to have one my wife is very beautiful congrats thank you and i just the thing is they, that's what they state. That they literally, some of them came down and bred with some of these beautiful women

Starting point is 02:27:49 and then created this abominated bloodline that was like half gods and half humans. And this is what angered, in those ancient texts I told you about some of those, some of these gods falling out of favor with humanity and then putting us into like, basically like hell. Creating hell here. earth yes by creating massive empires in war and structures structuring everything completely different and you know that because when they lowered kingship they started all we find is that we have these depictions it It's incredible. There's murals from Mesopotamia that show this passing of knowledge. This is what gets deeper and deeper because it's not like we discovered it. It shows that these Anuna beings in the Ashurbanipal library.

Starting point is 02:28:36 Do you want to pull it up really quick? Absolutely. Look at Ashurbanipal. Ashurbanipal mural. Mural. I will put this in the corner of the screen. Okay. There it is.

Starting point is 02:28:46 There it is, right there. And by the way, for people, sometimes today, sometimes today when I'm putting something in the corner of the screen and I don't get to say it because you're on a roll, you'll be hearing the whoosh sound. For people who are unfamiliar with the show and are new, that means look in the corner of the screen because someone's fucking there. Okay.

Starting point is 02:29:03 Go down. Go down. Okay. There's a library right now. No, that's different. look in the corner screen because someone's fucking there okay um go down go down okay there's a library right now type in tree of life at the top escher bonaparte tree of life mural you'll find it tree of all right there you go right there this one right here click that all right i'll stick that in the corner can you make it bigger because i want to I want to talk about it with you really quick. Yeah. Let's make this blow this fucker up. Zoom in.

Starting point is 02:29:31 Okay. There you go. I want you to take a look at this for a second. This is describing everything that I'm talking about. That's why I know it seems bizarre, the things that I'm saying, but I want people to understand this represents me studying both tablets and murals and all of this for well over 10 years. Is that an eagle at the top?

Starting point is 02:29:50 Yes. Son of a bitch. Alright, go ahead. What happened is what you're seeing here, see the wings on the two outer people? Yes. Now look at the two people in the middle that don't have wings. You see that? Now look at the hats they're wearing on the two people in the with the wings with horns on their

Starting point is 02:30:12 helmets now the people in the middle don't have horns you see that we'll try to look carefully if you can yes okay the thing the thing i'm gonna blow this up for a second on the screen sure people want to pause and look. But, okay, go ahead. I'm going to make a statement here that's very bold. This is the most important mural that's ever been created in human history. Aggressive. Period.

Starting point is 02:30:36 Period. Period. You put a period on the end. This, it tells us everything. Okay. I've broken this down a bunch of times. Your listeners haven't heard that maybe, so I'm going to break it down again. Let's do it. Remember in the tablets it says kingship is lowered, and it

Starting point is 02:30:50 literally is created, right? In everything I just said. In this depiction, and I want to break it down, the two beings on the other end are the Anuna. That's why they have wings, and that's why the horns on their helmets have multiple horns that represent status. They are not like we are.

Starting point is 02:31:05 They're not kings. They're the beings that we think of as the Anunna, our creators. So the Anunna though, I'm just thinking symbolism as we know it in bullshit modern culture. Yeah. Wings good, horns bad. They have both. Horns are not really bad. That was something that was inverted later.

Starting point is 02:31:22 Horns represented status. That's why bulls were used all throughout egypt the bull represented status as power so and certain certain symbols throughout history would have very very strong connotations and meanings behind them the two most important symbols for power like strength were two things it was the it was um the horns of a bull a bull itself in Egypt, and a lion. And the lion in Assyria was famous, and you can see depictions of that. They represented strength and power. And so they would depict them in symbols.

Starting point is 02:31:55 And the eagle always represented war and empire building. It was like a different mindset. Now, in this depiction, you're seeing our two Anunna on either side passing rulership, kingship, to rule over us. To two different individuals. One of them is a king and one of them is a priest. Which one's the king and which one's the priest? I just need to zoom in real quick. Hold on a second.

Starting point is 02:32:22 Okay. The... Okay. The... This image right here, the individual on the right of the tree is holding what's called the Rod of Rulership in his hand. Okay. And that Rod of Rulership means he's a king.

Starting point is 02:32:39 And then the other individual across from him has symbols that basically represent religion and seeking that aspect of it. You learn that one's a priest and one's a king. Got it. And what it means is that now, notice those two beings with the wings, they're passing this.

Starting point is 02:32:58 You see that? What they're passing is the symbol of the pine cone. And in their hand, they have the handbag. Remember pillar 43 at Gobekli Tepe? It's got the same handbag symbol below it. This is what I'm breaking down to mean. The Anuna, they know all.

Starting point is 02:33:16 They know everything in the universe. They are more powerful than we can ever understand. They seem to somehow be related to creation. Do they look... I mean, because i'm looking at this and i'm just basing it off like some other murals i look at like to me comparing it to other murals they look like humans okay they because you see the two the king and the priest in the middle yeah they emanated them so that they the reason they look like that all throughout the middle east

Starting point is 02:33:39 the with the long beard and that's braided was because that was how they physically decided to represent themselves on murals or physically decided period. Physically. They can become physical. Yes. So they have the ability to be physical if they want to. Okay. So they're passing the pine cone behind the head pineal gland. They're passing the knowledge to the king and the priest for how to

Starting point is 02:34:06 rule over humanity like literally passing the laws and rules like the code of Hammurabi everything now is some of what you're saying right now broken down by people who have broken it no because I think or is this all you I think that my depictions of the handbag and pine cone are a little bit different for me but I think many have echoed the pine cone as as as what it is and what the pine cone represents is knowledge because it's the passing the seeds of knowledge now now if you think if you look at a pine cone it already has a sacred geometry woven into it the sacred geometry of the golden ratio the way that it's designed within the pine cone has its own sacred geometry woven in all All right, golden ratio, back up for a minute. The golden ratio represents the ratio between creation of like everything in the universe.

Starting point is 02:34:52 So if you look at a shell versus like a human eye versus a flower, they all have this golden ratio design, right? You've heard of that. It's called the golden ratio. It represents this, and I'm not an expert on this. I'm not, I just happen to know enough to talk about it a little bit. But it relates to the idea that we are, there is a blueprint to the entire universe where everything is designed based on these patterns and these cycles and rhythms and all these things. And so they chose a pine cone because not only is it based on sacred geometry, which is their language of the universe.

Starting point is 02:35:24 Geometry is the language of the universe, by the way. But it was about passing the seeds of knowledge. Like the idea that if you plant a seed, that the seed can grow into a tree, into something incredible. And so they would show passing knowledge as that to these individuals of everything. They literally would be teaching them everything to rule, but in a way where they were supposed to be powerful in terms of

Starting point is 02:35:52 information. Now, the handbag represents them having the totality of all knowledge. So it's like they're taking, and these aren't real, these are symbols, they're taking these pinecones, which is a symbol, out of this bag. But they're not real.

Starting point is 02:36:07 Like, neither of them are actually real things. How old, again, are we saying this mural is? The Ashurbanipal mural of the Tree of Life was found in the same place as that great library of all the tablets. Yes. Because 3,500 years or so ago. So, it's far removed from when this would have happened. Yeah. Yes.

Starting point is 02:36:28 Now, here's the reason. Because in fairness, let me just point this out as the layman here in the room, the only one. But when we look at the Bible, right? It has a lot of great teachings in it. The Quran has a lot of great teachings in it. There's things in the modern world we obviously can disagree with, take the good, leave some of the stuff that's not there. But just cynically speaking,

Starting point is 02:36:49 from a truth perspective, it's a story that, you know, stretches back, whatever it is, 6,000 years or something, and it was written throughout you know, the post-BC era, the AD era, and it was passed down over hundreds of years to form into

Starting point is 02:37:07 what it was which means is we've already laid out a million times today that was spread down the lane kind of thing stories turn into more legends that turn into whatever yeah so now we're talking about something where you've put a billion with a b no no not this isn't a billion years old no i know yeah but you're saying the history of something like this could stretch back to a billion with a b not human civilization not human civilization but the people who allegedly handed off to human civilization so either way it's somewhere way these beings these anuna on either side with the wings seem to be related to earth history at least a billion years ago right

Starting point is 02:37:45 so when i say when when you're telling me the mural drawn is approximately 3 500 years old or something that tells me it's a lot of sources removed from where something like this allegedly could have happened but it wasn't made then it was found then or it was it was okay let me let me clarify something please ashurbanipal was a king of Assyria. He was a king that became extremely interested because he was an unusual king. He was from a later time period in history. It's true. He was only like 3,500 years ago.

Starting point is 02:38:20 But he was a king that was also a sage and a priest. Very unusual. And he was studying the ancients of his time and he has um he talked about in some of his um writings he left behind how um he wanted to be a different king than every other king he wanted to to do something no one other king had done and so he wanted to create the greatest library that's ever been amassed in the history of the planet so it's talked about how he sent out his armies and he was already in um he was in nineveh that's where this is from but it's talked about how he sent out armies to everywhere in the old world so probably egypt and up to up to the turkey area we're in and down to Iran to find and recover every single tablet, cuneiform tablet, and bring it back. What years was he around again?

Starting point is 02:39:11 And murals too. What years was he around again? He was around approximately 3,000 to 3,500 years ago, depending on sources. Now, this is a real exact question. I don't expect you to know the answer to this, but I can look it up. Do we have an idea of what the global population size was at that time we can we can tell you that he was a rival against the great civilization of babylon to his self and that the babylon had a population of at least 50 to 100 000 people that's not that big well no at least i know at least we don't we

Starting point is 02:39:40 don't know entirely but we know that it was the biggest city on earth at the time again if i go to fucking jerry hill there's i don't know right well because we have eight billion people on the planet that's what i mean yeah it's all relative yeah to be clear yeah but still you're talking about you're talking about a limited number of people mathematically searching a rather large plane that has a similar at least a very similar landmass to what we're dealing with now in that area of the world all right keep going but they knew things we don't know now right so imagine they know some of the old ancient stuff and they know kind of where to look better they there our understanding of the ancient world has changed a lot in 3 000 years meaning that it was a lot newer for them than what it is for for us now and for him being an ancient king that had bloodlines back to his father,

Starting point is 02:40:28 connections to Sennacherib and Tigris, these kings that supposedly were ancient, ancient, ancient. He's a bloodline of them. See, it never changed. It's the same thing. But he wanted to change history, so he sent out and amassed this Ashurpanipal library. And upon doing that

Starting point is 02:40:45 this depiction is supposed to be of like his great-great-grandfather so this is either sennacherib or someone related to that but the point is this is already super ancient he's already ancient and he wanted to go find stuff more ancient than him do you get what i'm trying to say yes and so he amasses he amasses this and this was made before either during his time or before his time the point is what they're doing is they're trying to take an old understanding and trying to show it in a way where we can understand it's like how do you take super complex understanding of something and then just like put it in a mural i just in my head when i hear stuff like this and and there's nothing you know like i want to believe everything and there may be great evidence for everything i just wonder how much the story can change i know i keep saying it but you know we are talking about

Starting point is 02:41:42 planes of thousands tens of thousands millions up to a billion years in some cases about some of this. And it's like could there be a kernel of truth within there or could there be a ton of truth? You can make the argument for both. But that's the whole point of where we're about to go. That's like where this is all building up to is what's the truth within that. And that's what I became obsessed with i would say was that being like well is any of this true right is any of this true and the thing was that again i want to point out is that we have tablets that were written from much earlier time periods like like

Starting point is 02:42:17 ancient ancient as early as we can get that later ones basically are saying like almost the same thing but they're from completely different time periods in history. That's how you get that clarity of thinking of what might be real. Similar argument to the phenomenon with the description of potential beings. The point I guess, and I didn't necessarily want to get off on that super deep rabbit hole, but we did and we did what we did. So the point I'm trying to make is there's things going on here that are like supernatural almost. There's things going on here that are like supernatural almost. There's things going on that are beyond our linear comprehension of just us here alone

Starting point is 02:42:51 with no nothing influencing us at all. And that has to do with the first city ever created. Again, we're going to go all the way back to where we were is that in these tablets, if you'd want to believe anything that we're saying, how about we actually verify with real on the ground places? That's what's so exciting, right? Now let's take what was theoretical potentially and what was mythical and all these things, which was what everything of this was

Starting point is 02:43:16 because it's so ancient, so ancient that now let's try to see if anything that's real. First place to look is that, well, in six different tablets from the sumerian king list to eridu genesis we get um what they state is the first city ever created after the ajiji and it's called eridu e-r-i-d-u and it's located in southern iraq and every tablet literally everything mentions it being the first. It's not like in question about one tablet being somewhere and blah, blah, blah. And they do credit it as being the first city ever on earth, even in mainstream. And you'll see that.

Starting point is 02:43:54 So how many people lived here? We don't have a population, but I can tell you that it's acknowledged as being the first city ever on Wikipedia right there. And yet this site is the greatest conspiracy of any ancient site in the world. Why? It has only been partially excavated between the late 1800s, 1887. And then it was partially excavated again in 1946 and 1948. And then it was abandoned and nothing has happened since. Why?

Starting point is 02:44:22 Here's where it gets more wild. When they excavated it and they found Eridu, it must have been quite a shock to them because remember, myth? Not really myth anymore. It was the first one they found. A University of Oxford and other groups came there in 1946 and they're like,

Starting point is 02:44:39 this really is Eridu. And today, there is still, in the Oxford University, there is still a section of the library there that has some relics from eridu with writing and that stuff on them why do i say that because they found it they found all kinds of artifacts but they only excavated the main part of the city but in ancient times where the people lived is not where the higher-ups lived. So like priests and higher-up people, they never lived together.

Starting point is 02:45:10 So what would happen is you'd have a main city below and then always on a prominent mountain. Sometimes they described it, in this case, Eridu is not a natural formation. They described it as actually creating a mountain

Starting point is 02:45:23 in the middle of nowhere to be this like standing above everything. So they create this temple called the Temple, the Ziggurat of Eridu. Okay? And it's this mass You know what Ziggurat is? Nope. Ziggurat is a pyramid but in Mesopotamia.

Starting point is 02:45:39 Okay. It's their version of a pyramid. Got it. Okay? So they make this incredible Ziggurat temple on this mountain that looks over this endless plain and then there's the little city down below where people live and there's commerce

Starting point is 02:45:53 and all that stuff they get there knowing that they look up and see the ziggurat it's insane because you can look at pictures and I'll go into how I know all this in a second they get there, they find it you imagine if if today right imagine if we had uh a town that had like an incredible museum with all kinds of artifacts and stuff would you find any of those artifacts in any other part of the town except the museum probably not right no they put it all

Starting point is 02:46:21 so imagine going there and knowing that 99 of all the relics and artifacts would be in that ziggurat, in those temples and in those libraries, and you don't even excavate it at all. What? I mean, not at zero. Before I ask why they didn't do that, I misunderstood your first question then. Yes. So why would it only be in those places? Relics and important relics and things would be kept in the temple always would be kept in these sacred places ancient

Starting point is 02:46:53 tablets more than one or two no the ziggurat was the great temple of eridu i know but couldn't there are like saint patrick's cathedral is like the great fucking cathedral in new york city it's not the only church they didn't do that back then. There's none of that. No. Back then, religion was done through the high priest only. In one place? Yes.

Starting point is 02:47:12 Okay. Continue. So why didn't they excavate this? So they get there. Again, there's literally on display artifacts from Eridu. In the University of Oxford. So you can squash the whole idea they didn't find anything type of concept. Yes.

Starting point is 02:47:25 That's why, right? They find those artifacts in 1876 or something. But they stopped in 1948. No, they have a gap where they don't do anything for like 40 years. The University of Oxford and this big group comes back as this big expedition. They come back. At the end of World War I. Yes.

Starting point is 02:47:44 And they find it. comes back as this big expedition they come back at the end of world war one yes and they they right and they find it and they they get the ziggurat and all that stuff and they never come back like a memo came down i'm just i'm just speculating but someone made a decision very powerful if there's nothing else you can describe this as because it also pisses religion off too because then you get into Enki and the snake and the serpent remember so someone made a very powerful decision to literally have this place

Starting point is 02:48:12 disappear but there still seems to be this like old code if I want to describe it as there's an old code with whoever makes these decisions where they can't just destroy something themselves it's like they have to have someone else do it i don't know why but they list they sort of left it

Starting point is 02:48:31 there right it's kind of weird but they left in the middle of the desert and then of course we had iraq all the instability in iraq and everything and to this day eridu has not one fence, not one single piece of infrastructure around it at all. And when I realized that, I went on a crusade called the Campaign to Save Eridu, various different things. And I was on my website and I started talking all about it on shows like on Gaia and other shows. And I took images from people that had gone there from like baghdad who are looting it walking around yeah like and i have a whole it's not even in any way no it's oh my god i have and i have all those images on my on on one of the videos i did and on different places and if you look up erudu if you just look it up on google maps you can find the images i think they're still there because what i'm what as i was scrolling here listening to that i'm trying

Starting point is 02:49:29 to see like if there's something on wikipedia for example that mentions like a segment that's called like conspiracy or like or like controversy and there i don't really see anything there's only one little thing that says tablet controversy it's less less than a full power. I seem to be the only one doing this. And I don't know. There's various reasons for that. So for this skeptic out there who listens to you and says, well, why is one asshole in fucking Colorado doing this and no one else is? Are you really on to something that no one else is? Why are you on to something?

Starting point is 02:49:58 I don't think that anyone is in the mainstream is allowed to touch it. Why would that be? Because this single site, regardless of all the other places we're about to go, can completely change history. And it's... Okay, let me give you an example. Eridu is described as being the first city created before some of these catastrophes came through.

Starting point is 02:50:17 Images you can find today on the summit of the Ziggurat, that old temple that's literally so ancient, there's not even any brick or anything left. It like all of just eroded and there's seashells covering the top of the mountain seashells meaning water the ocean that flooded it and not only that but we're finding pottery and cuneiform tablets what ben found no no it's totally different. They're showing these people, and if you can't hear my voice, it's sadness. They're showing images of

Starting point is 02:50:50 just people that uploaded them from their phone. Okay? If you go on Google Maps, go on Google Maps and go just type in Eridu, and then it'll pop up with images, and I don't know if they've all been taken down since, but I will tell you that I noticed that, and other people brought it up on my

Starting point is 02:51:05 podcast, that they stay blurred the imagery over Eridu in just one square to come on. Not even kidding. So click, click that, click, click that, go down.

Starting point is 02:51:16 Look, there's no infrastructure. See no fences. Keep going. Keep going. I know what I'm looking for. So keep going right there right there

Starting point is 02:51:26 right there okay I'll put this picture in the corner there are many many others that's just one of about 20 that show people that are not affiliated with any kind of archaeological institution walking around and just picking up the oldest records of humankind

Starting point is 02:51:44 and just stealing them and then selling them in the black market. They realized, they were smart too, I gotta give them credit, they realized the easiest way to have all this disappear would be to leave it to the wolves. And then I, you want to go deeper? I think that this site is one of many in this region

Starting point is 02:52:00 that has so many secrets and uncovers it that the Iraqi war may have been this may have been a big reason why they did this the iraq war yes not remember when they did that all all structure in this country sort of collapsed in terms of archaeology though i think i think dick cheney want to make some money bro well maybe so but i will tell you i will tell you that these sites have been completely abandoned. Yeah, that's why I wouldn't say they did the war because of it. I would say it's more your first story about letting the wolves go grab it.

Starting point is 02:52:32 But there was a lot of artifacts that went missing. There was something like 2,000 artifacts that went missing after the Iraq War from the museum. See, in Baghdad, this is why— Yeah, I wouldn't believe that because it was a shit show. Well, but I am saying—but the thing is, who took them? Because there's images that are pretty are pretty controversial no of the museum though yeah probably exactly what you're looking at here regardless yeah let me just say that to this day right now not only did they blur it out after i started making noise and i'm not saying it's because of me but it did get blurred out erudue on what got blurred out i haven't seen

Starting point is 02:53:03 if you go to google maps. I'm on Google. This is Google Maps. No, no. Go to the actual map. Okay. Here's the map. Click the X on that. The X on?

Starting point is 02:53:11 Pull up this. Satellite? Yeah. Now zoom out. Now zoom out. And then what you're going to find is go to the nearest area around it that has good clear imagery.

Starting point is 02:53:23 And as you work your way in, you're going to see it just goes blurry. Where? Tell me. Go over here. Zoom over there. Right there? Yeah. Those hills are right there. Right here. Zoom in. Now stop. No, no. Don't go in that far. Go out a little bit.

Starting point is 02:53:37 Go out a little bit. Just out a bit. Now go that way. And just watch. Keep going. Keep going. Right there. Son of Keep going. Right there. Right there. That was not there two years ago. Wait, what is this? Hold on.

Starting point is 02:53:54 They changed the imagery. Only for the square around Eridu. Because you can't see anything now. So look, I just zoomed out. It's this area right here. It's almost like a shape like a weed bowl, kind of. Well, it's all nice all out there. So if you go look anywhere in there, it's like almost like a shaped like a weed bowl kind of well it's all nice all out there so if you go if you go look anywhere in there it's clear imagery yeah yeah yeah this is all nice i'm saying this see this one spot right here that we just zoomed in yeah this is where it changes right

Starting point is 02:54:14 there right so what is that now go this way keep going this way it's the axis to eridu there's a there's an axis point right here it goes it goes down it goes off into the desert. There's an access point right here. It goes down, it goes off into the desert and it's an access point to Eridu. They blurred it out on Google Images. Hold on a minute. This doesn't... What do you mean it's blurred out? It's weird. They changed the imagery into one that's got

Starting point is 02:54:37 much, much less character definition. It's... Well, that's the thing. It doesn't... One is dark and one is bright, but it doesn't look like much changed on the ground. It still looks like someone put exposure on the other and someone had less exposure.

Starting point is 02:54:53 Well, I can tell you that if you try to go zoom in in Eridu right now and go look, you can't really see. So you want me to zoom in right here? No, this way. No, but this is what we're talking... Why would I go over here? Well, to see the comparison. So zoom in right here and look at how clear it is. Yeah, but this is what we're talking... Why would I go over here? Well, to see the comparison.

Starting point is 02:55:07 So zoom in right here and look at how clear it is. Just look at... Yeah, it's clear in this one area. This is the only area... But this is the only area on the whole map where it's like that. That's my point. What I'm saying is a year and a half ago, the colorization and what it looks like around Eridu wasn't there. It was much, much clearer.

Starting point is 02:55:22 Like that was. Yes. And I know that... But hold on a minute. Because I know that was yes and i know but hold on a minute because i saved screenshots and images on my computer hold on a minute i'm gonna be a huge skeptic okay because the entire area around here the whole state the whole country is the same color as eridu you're too far zoomed out what yeah but i know look this is the only if anything you should be saying what the fuck is going on in this spot. Not like, oh, this is what it all used to be like. Because this spot is different.

Starting point is 02:55:48 And it looks like this line right here. And I'm going to put some of this in the corner. It's a little hard because we're navigating a map. And I don't have live screen recording of this stuff. But this little area, I don't know how big it is, but it's not that big, has all the, has like a straight deductive or like, I should, I'm sorry, arbitrary line that makes it bright as if there's like clouds here and suns here.

Starting point is 02:56:14 No, that square used to be way bigger is what I'm trying to say. Yeah, but why is, so if it was way bigger though, who's to say it's on Eridu versus on all these Saeed ket gerald you see this lake you see this lake right here hamar lake yes it's this entire region all i can tell you is that the imagery looked completely different a year and a half ago in a way where you could

Starting point is 02:56:38 see very direct things on the ground at eridu and you can go there right now you do the yellow man and drop it well just just because there's no roads i'm gonna go in i can just show you right where it is go over here by the lake this way down right there eridu zoom into that zoom in it's the imagery is horrible now listen i worked i don't you don't know you're telling me i could have dropped this yellow man here a year ago yeah so i want to give you background because you need to know this i worked for a mapping company for 13 years okay a mapping company mapping company means i exclusively dealt with using imagery satellite imagery and basically looking at things on the ground versus reality i was like an expert on that and so when i started playing with this and I started showing Eridu detailed, zoomed in, I went back whatever how many months later and the imagery had changed and not in a way where it was updated to be better.

Starting point is 02:57:33 And people commented on my channel and said, hey, did you did you see Eridu now? You can't even see it anymore. A bunch of people did. And it's just it's a really weird thing because it just happened. I just, but there's no roads here. And the way I've always, because I am not an expert mapper like you. Let's be very clear about that. But I use Google Maps like every other asshole out there.

Starting point is 02:58:00 In my experience, the yellow man gets dropped when there's like a road. And some roads in the world obviously like don't have it. You can't even drop it. So you're telling me that a year ago I could have dropped that on no yellow the yellow man refers to street view on the ground there's never been street so there's never been street view so i don't understand what the big fucking deal is okay satellite imagery some of us study using looking at satellite imagery to uncover ruins you can see signatures zoom into air to right now yeah that's what i'm saying like what can't you see here I don't understand that's what I'm trying to show you

Starting point is 02:58:26 that what's what's wrong with this the details of the way it used to look you could see super clarity of both the ziggurat

Starting point is 02:58:35 as well as the town around it and now it's blurry that's what I'm trying to say alright so let me go hold on let me go to another I'm going to zoom all the way out and this part may not be

Starting point is 02:58:44 in the corner screen people sorry I'm going to go to Baghdad I'm going to zoom all the way out. And this part may not be in the corner screen, people. Sorry. I'm going to go to Baghdad, a little above Baghdad, outside the city. Okay? Yeah. I can't say everywhere is the same imagery, though. I can't use that as a basis.

Starting point is 02:58:54 Yeah. This is by Dolama, maybe? What does that say right there? What's that? Dojama. Dojama. D-O-J-A-M-A. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:59:05 I'm marking that for myself later. Look at this. Okay. So I'm going to go look at... These look like some fields and shit. Those are fields for farming. They're different crops. All right.

Starting point is 02:59:13 Here we go. This is more... There's a line right there that you can see too. See it? Yeah. That's what I'm saying. I don't think this has anything to do with Eridu. This is at a random spot I just picked on the map.

Starting point is 02:59:26 All I'm saying is that the clarity on your left side versus your right was there less than a year ago. I think that's random, bro. I really do. It's fine. I don't think that's like, you know, someone at like Google headquarters is like the ancient Anunnaki. Okay, but this site is also the oldest city on earth and it's been abandoned by archaeologists and not touched at all. How can you explain that? That's a separate issue. They want this place to disappear off the face of the earth.

Starting point is 02:59:52 So you mentioned they find it around the area of like 1875, 1878. They don't do anything on it. They come back to it at the end of World War I. They only excavate the main yeah the main city not the ziggurat okay so they start working on that and they have you can see that and then what happens is they come back in 1918 1946 to 1948 wait wait what happened in 1918 though you just skipped ahead because you said they found it and like i'm just trying to keep you straight 1870 or 1880 that you said 40 this we're from earlier you said 40 this from earlier you

Starting point is 03:00:26 said 40 years later end of world war ii they came there they didn't really do a hell of a lot yes they leave again yes they come back now in 1946 and 1948 they come back in 1940 nothing happened between as far as i know they come back in 1946 1948 and there's images on the university of oxford site of them like walking around they're not they don't do any excavation they're like walking around looking at it okay and and you can actually see images on this from that and they're walking around and then they never come back ever again who's walking around the university of oxford yeah and do we know who no i don't i don't have that information but okay I know that the Iraqi Museum and the University of Oxford are the primary two that are there. Wait, the Iraqi Museum? Refresh me on that.

Starting point is 03:01:13 Back in 1946, the Iraqi Museum was doing archaeological digs in Iraq. Including in this spot? Yeah, they were working with the University of Oxford to find Eridu. The whole point was they were trying to if this the early stories had any merit now my iraq history is terrible pre like 1980 so who's in charge of iraq at this time i don't remember off my head okay i'm just trying to think of that i'm trying to find some links here because we know britain was all over these areas as far as i was concerned i don't think they had control of iraq or anything but huh so iraq again a myth gets found and then only partially excavated and then they abandon the site

Starting point is 03:01:55 never even excavate the temple it'd be like going to giza plateau in egypt and excavating like a little thing in front of the pyramid not going to to the pyramid. That's what this would be like. That makes sense. So they go to there, they abandon the site, and nobody returns ever again. As far as I know, no archaeologist has stepped foot there in over 70 years. As far as you know.

Starting point is 03:02:23 There has been no documentation online of any excavations that are being done in erudu at all let alone any and all the images that are up to date from this year or last year clearly show there's no infrastructure again like i said there's more images than just you saw and you can see people that are just regular people walking around the ziggurat and just finding tablets sticking out of the ground and just taking them and going and leaving now yeah you already know how i feel about the closed-end world that can be academia with this stuff i made that very clear it's not positive let's try to play devil's advocate okay and let's let's try to come up the area is unstable are there reasons the able the area is unstable it's dangerous so we can't go back and excavate that's why would it be dangerous i'm giving that hypothetical excuse they might say

Starting point is 03:03:08 yeah right why would it be dangerous exactly so then they create the instability and then allow looters to steal everything so it disappears through for history and again to go to the beginning just to wrap up the bow on this what in finding that what is so dense about it that would make it absolutely change history other than changing the timeline of when humanity was first here and you can bring that as part of talks about the anuna gods talks about the creation of civilization talks about that things started different than we're told. It would change our entire understanding of all of history. Erudu is a piece that fits into a much bigger puzzle that we're about to uncover that we haven't even done yet. We're just started.

Starting point is 03:03:55 I know we're already like hours and hours in. But I'm building off of something much, much more significant than just this. This is like the beginning of something greater we're about to go over. It's a story that has been deliberately hidden so that we don't know it ever exists. And so we think it's a myth and it's not real. All right, guys, that takes us to the end of part one

Starting point is 03:04:19 of my conversation with Matt LaCroix. That's right. We have a whole second part coming for you. Matt and I are going to get into everything Eridu as well as the pyramids and much more. You are not going to want to miss it. So if you haven't already, please hit that subscribe button as well as the bell button so that you get notified when the new episode comes out. If you haven't liked this video, please do that as well. And I'll see you guys next week.

Your Ad Here

Julian Dorey Podcast - 🤯 [VIDEO] - ATLANTIS Archaeologists Find New Evidence of Ancient City WORLDWIDE | Matt LaCroix • 153

There aren't comments yet for this episode. Click on any sentence in the transcript to leave a comment.