Julian Dorey Podcast - [VIDEO] - Brandon Buckingham Exposes America’s “City of Zombies” Hawaii’s Homeless Fix, N3on & Sneako | 200

Episode Date: April 25, 2024

(***TIMESTAMPS in description below) ~ Brandon Buckingham is a Documentarian, YouTuber, & Man-on-the-street Journalist. You can subscribe to his channel here: https://www.youtube.com/@BrandonBuckingham  EPISODE LINKS: - BUY Guest’s Books & Films IN MY AMAZON STORE: https://amzn.to/3RPu952  - Julian Dorey PODCAST MERCH: https://juliandorey.myshopify.com/  - Support our Show on PATREON: https://www.patreon.com/JulianDorey  - Join our DISCORD: https://discord.gg/Ajqn5sN6  BRANDON LINKS: - YOUTUBE: https://www.youtube.com/@BrandonBuckingham  - TWITTER: https://twitter.com/Buckingham_Show  - INSTAGRAM: https://www.instagram.com/brandon_buckingham/?hl=en  JULIAN YT CHANNELS: - SUBSCRIBE to Julian Dorey Clips YT: https://www.youtube.com/@juliandoreyclips  - SUBSCRIBE to Julian Dorey Daily YT: https://www.youtube.com/@JulianDoreyDaily  - SUBSCRIBE to Best of JDP: https://www.youtube.com/@bestofJDP  ***TIMESTAMPS*** 0:00 - Brandon Buckingham’s road: Art Teacher to YouTuber; Danny Mullen Beef 10:43 - Buckingham & Tommy G vs CNN; Kensington’s insane streets & America’s War on Drgs 21:41 - Brandon’s O Block Video; Keeping in touch with rappers 30:39 - How Brandon & Tommy G first connected; Brandon trains for Boxing w/ Sam Hyde 39:31 - Sus rapping videos w/ Tommy G; How Brandon gets sources 46:48 - Why Brandon is in New York City right now; Jay Z & Big L; King Von; Gun Control 59:22 - MTV Homeless Cribs; Hawaii’s wild Homeless solution? 1:17:39 - Extremes & YouTube; Punking rich people at Harvard 1:30:49 - That Mexican OT 1:38:46 - Knockout Challenge; Brandon’s most dangerous video 1:50:47 - Brandon inches from going to jail and aftermath 2:00:16 - Journalism today; Walter Cronkite; Rigged System; Largest Palestinian Protest Video; Reparations 2:16:55 - The Common Enemy Argument; LA Shadiness 2:23:46 - Most successful ethnic groups; Maryland’s insane expenses; Steven Pinker & the Middle Class 2:36:21 - Scary reality of YouTube 2:43:24 - Brandon calls out N3on & Sneako 2:57:23 - Jack Doherty & Streamer craziness 3:03:11 - Brandon’s parents’ thoughts on his career; Brandon remembers his late brother 3:10:27 - Brandon’s next steps CREDITS: - Hosted & Produced by Julian D. Dorey - Intro & Episode Edited by Alessi Allaman ~ Get $150 Off The Eight Sleep Pod Pro Mattress / Mattress Cover (USING CODE: “JULIANDOREY”): https://eight-sleep.ioym.net/trendifier Julian's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/julianddorey ~ Music via Artlist.io ~ Julian Dorey Podcast Episode 200 - Brandon Buckingham Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

I think they were very disappointed in the beginning, understandably so, because like, what are you doing? It's like, oh, you're making $50,000 a year as a teacher. Like, in 22 years, you're gonna be making six figures, Brandon. You have a great retirement, you have benefits. Like, you know, you spend all this time, how are you just gonna throw it away? The plan. But so they were disappointed, but I think they didn't give me that part of the time because the first Thursday of the school year when I taught, my brother died, 34 years old, and he was waiting to retire in the Air Force. He was a technical sergeant in the Air Force.

He did not like his job, and he always talked about how he was looking forward to retirement. He would talk about, oh, this amount of years until retirement. Yeah, because he got in early. Boom, he had a heart attack and died, like, unexpectedly. I have his ashes right here, and this is the cross and the chain that he wore every day. So... so what's up guys if you're on spotify right now please follow the show so that you don't miss any future episodes and leave a five-star review thank you brandon buckingham welcome to jersey baby thank you so much for having me, man.

Dude, of course. I appreciate you doing this last minute. This is like Tommy was here the other night, and this is the earliest podcast I've done in, what, like three years, something like that? We never record in the morning, but I was like, let's do it. So I found your channel, I guess, almost a couple years ago now. Content was amazing. I found it through, like, that whole sneaker thing that was going on. But I didn't realize you were I knew you were a teacher, but you literally left that job when you had like no subscribers and went full time into this with

the type of content where you got to travel around and go places. Yep. I had under 1000 subscribers. It was December my first year as a teacher and I there was a massage parlor in my hometown that got busted for giving out happy endings course and I was like what if I went around and asked people like what they thought about the elite spa getting busted I filmed that video and then I was like man I think I want to do this the next Monday I went into school and then put my six month resignation and then filmed like every week or two stacked up videos when my contract ended June 18th, it started. No shit.

Yeah. Not even a thousand subs. What were you teaching? Elementary school art pre-K through fifth. No shit. Okay. Did you want to be a teacher like growing up? Was that the thought? My mom's a teacher. So my whole life I wanted to do it always loved art i always told myself like you know a teacher has so much control over the enjoyability of a class so i was like i want to be that teacher that makes art enjoyable but um you know your students also have a pretty big impact on the enjoyability of class when you're a teacher so yes i taught kind of in the hood of

montgomery county and it was not for me. How old were they? Anywhere from four years old to 10. Oh, that's tough. Very young. Yeah. I think like the math literacy rate in that school is like 9% or 11%. Like they're failing all of their tests. Half of the kids are just came to America cause it's a sanctuary county. So they don't even speak English and it's just like a culture shock for them, and their lives are difficult.

They're throwing scissors at me, trying to kick me in the balls. Yeah, it's tough. Right out of college, too, doing that? Yeah, it was not for me. But what's your thing? Because you look at your page. We're going to talk about plenty of your videos today. But obviously, you're naturally funny.

You bring entertainment to what you do through that. But you tackle a lot of different topics. It could be everything from your grandpa getting drunk on St. Paddy's Day, which was awesome, to looking at the inner hood or doing a documentary of that Mexican OT. What are the things that interest you the most? I just love talking to people. So I feel like I'm a, I'm just like a really nerdy autistic individual. So if I become interested in something, I, you know, I want to learn about it and I want to talk about it. And I,

if I get the opportunity to speak with them in person, uh, that would be amazing. So really, I think just having conversations, telling stories and exploring different cultures would be the thing I'm really into, but i also like to have fun so you know if i can go explore a new city and drink and you know make money off it i guess right then that's good too but how did that's the other thing we were talking about this right before we we got on camera but like you're traveling to do everything so you're you said you spend like nine months out a year on the road yeah about eight to nine months if i tell everything up yeah i'm not home i'm staying

in an airbnb hotel and i mean i'm just thinking about the expenses with this kind of stuff it adds up you got cameramen out there with you you got your editors that and you do a lot of your edits we'll talk about that too but you also have some editors to help with some things it's like how do you how do you make money doing this? Shout out to my Patreon. Thankfully. Like literally, if I didn't have my Patreon, I would be losing money still, even with all the views I've gotten. So, and I'm very frugal. I always fly cheapest airline, try to plan things out in advance.

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It's a little close quarters right there. Yeah, yeah. I feel you. I've messed up so bad before where I think we're going to share a bed and then we get to the place and it's like, what's half of a twin size bed? I don't even know what that's called. A single.

Is that a thing? Yeah. I've got there before and I'm like, all right, bro, I'm just going to sleep on the ground. I messed this one up. Oh, so you'd be sharing twin beds sometimes. Ideally, no, but we've done it. We've done it. We've done it.

That's really close. What was the – at the beginning though when you left the job full time and went into this, I had seen this with like the documentary you had put out when I first saw it. But there was like – there was this guy, Danny Mullen, who was I guess like another YouTube comedy type whatever. And you didn't know him but you somehow got connected to him and then there was a problem after that what happened yeah so when i was trying to become a youtuber i was like how do you even i don't understand how it works like you put out videos and then they don't get any views like i just didn't want to risk um quitting my job into just being a complete failure so i was like well i should probably collab with someone whose content i enjoyed at the time i like this content so he had a tier on his So I was like, well, I should probably collab with someone whose content I enjoyed at the time.

I liked his content. So he had a tier on his Patreon. It was called Release the Kraken. It cost $3,000. So I paid for that in like April and then scheduled it so the day my teaching contract ended, I would pick him up from the airport and we would film. Oh, meaning you got to go do content with him. That's what it was.

Yeah, he came out to Maryland. Oh, he came out there? Mm-hmm. Okay. And you guys got along? Yeah, i thought everything was cool at first and then where did it go south um to this day it's been over three years to this day i really still don't know why he did all that he did i mean people on the internet say like that uh he doesn't like being around people that are more talented than him or funnier than him i don't even consider myself that but i don't know he was intimidated by me or something that sounds like

i'm being arrogant saying that i don't understand why he did what he did but moral of the story is he went around telling everyone not to collab with me not to work with me like people in his crew and then people in austin and you're just a small creator at the time trying to come up at a thousand subscribers he had 450 000 yeah and when he really started kicking it up is when i was like closing in on 10 000 subscribers and then i i had seen this in the documentary but then you got to him in austin and man man what was the deal there so he was bad mouthing me to a bunch of people someone that he bad mouthed me to was one of my friends and was like damn he's saying a lot of crazy stuff about you and i was like yeah i want him to stop he won't have a conversation with

me like i'm trying to level with him he won't And I was like, yeah, I want him to stop. He won't have a conversation with me. Like I'm trying to level with him. He won't. So he was like, all right, well, when he comes to collaborate with me, you know, I'll give you the location. That's it. That's it. But what I really like about your content is that you inject like this level of, I can't place what it is.

There's something that reminds me of, but this level of creativity to how you say things, right? Not just like the words you're using and stuff like that, but where you'll be doing it. Alessi, can you pull up the Kensington video on his channel? So go to recent and scroll down a little bit. A little more. Right there, middle. Right here. Yeah.

So like we'll turn this on first. Put this at the beginning, if you don't mind. Let's get that volume. All right, go ahead. Kensington, Philadelphia is the most disturbing place in all of America. Aptly named the City of Zombies, the streets are lined with lost souls nodding out in broad daylight from extreme drug abuse. Every YouTuber I've seen visit Kensington, Philadelphia has gone with a bodyguard.

And all of them say, if you go alone, you will die. If we were to go here on our own, how would it go for us? What would happen if I came with no security? Oh, you easily would get shot if I would kill you. So I ventured unarmed and by myself to Kensington, Philadelphia to experience firsthand life in the city of zombies. Oh, you know what one I was thinking of? I was thinking of the Mexican OT. I'm here at McPherson Square in Kensington, Philadelphia.

I got it mixed up, but you'll do something. You'll do shit like you'll be standing on a ladder on a house and just start talking to the camera and do do like those old school spaghetti Western zoom ins. And then you'll be sitting on like, on like a, on a patio and in front of, in front of a pool or whatever. What, what makes you like tick with those things?

How do you say like, okay, I want to say these lines right here. And then I want to say those lines right there. So I love hiking. It's like one of my favorite activities. So a lot of these videos, I'll just be walking around my neighborhood or I'll go to a hiking spot and i'll just look around and be like oh it'll be cool

if i got up here what does this look like and it's typically like my my girlfriend filming so yeah like what if i got up on the ladder and we talked on the ladder literally oh you got your girlfriend yeah for the talking head stuff yeah i don't take her to kensington or anything um yeah it's just whatever i think is interesting in the moment a lot of my stuff is improv i mean i like do a lot of heavy planning with my um schedule and where i'm going but i don't usually write questions or um like oh i kind of gathered that but you're are you saying like some of the some of the parts at the beginning where you're setting the stage that's improv uh no i will write out my talking head but then like where i'm doing it is all completely like the locations that

i'm picking god yeah it seems that way it seems it seems very real like man on the street yeah and this was actually if we're on the kensington video this was the one that you i talked with tommy about this too because he did a kensington video this was the one where you two like had cnn come at you or something like that yeah they said that me and tommy are exploiting people for clicks but what are they doing they yeah me and tommy want to go to the cnn uh headquarters in new york and ask them for some journalism tips because they called us out and i mean tommy g's one of the best guys you could meet yes so this video upset people right as did

tommy's because we called it life in the city of zombies and they said that was dehumanizing the people that are addicted out there but um from my perspective i didn't label them that that's just what i was heard the kensington was called so i wasn't trying to be dehumanizing it was just like oh they called the city of zombies you go out there everyone's like yeah there's zombies all around like if you go there it's just what they call it the city of zombies. You go out there, everyone's like, yeah, there's zombies all around. If you go there, it's just what they call it. Yeah, if anyone's ever driven through there, I'm from down in South Jersey, not far from Philly. Kensington is, I mean, you were there recently. It's a whole different, it's almost like you turn into that section of the city and it's no man's land.

Yeah, and I'm super passionate about um you know drug awareness rehabs having people get help uh and this trank stuff that they brought into the city is devastating people like not only does it cause your flesh to rot but like what it does to your psyche is insane the what stuff uh trank the stuff that they're mixing with the fentanyl oh right yeah it's uh it's like ketamine but it's not a approved for human consumption so uh, trank, the stuff that they're mixing with the fentanyl. Oh, right. Yeah. It's a, it's like ketamine, but it's not approved for human consumption. So whenever you, wherever you shoot it up,

it will like go to your feet or your hands and then start to eat through your skin. It's really a horrible thing. And, um, a guy we ran into in this video really wanted us to film him shooting up, which seemed kind of like a ethical red line so i really wanted to clarify like are you sure are you sure and he wanted to show us and yeah it was much

different than i mean i've seen a lot of people shoot up heroin and it wasn't it's not like this at all like as soon as he shot it up he walked in within a minute later he had no idea what was going on was incoherent and yeah that's why they call them zombies it's like it's really horrifying and terrible now i know you're documenting right and this is a part of the process when you document painful stuff too you're gonna get that but like what's what's that like to just know that that's about to happen i mean you have cameras rolling even forget that they're rolling but you're standing there you're a normal person in the sense that you're not addicted to any of this stuff you don't do this stuff you're just here watching. What does that feel like to see a guy that you know

is about to literally transform into something almost subhuman? It's honestly really upsetting. When I left filming this video, I probably could have cried because it's just, if you take a walk through Kensington, there is so much suffering and pain and literal rotting flesh all around the city. So for people that want to speak about it and try to be judgmental for youtubers going there i think more people

should go there and more people should document it and we should try to figure out how we can help and i don't have the answer right but i'd be open to suggestions and if someone presented a good suggestion i would love to go back do another video and promote the suggestion you know yeah yeah i like that but how do you deal with like do you worry about your safety going to some places like these um it's a thought for sure but i mean when you're dealing with homeless people or drug addicted people typically they don't have the funds to carry a gun so they would have a knife and i'm looking them in their eyes and usually they don't they don't seem hostile and i'm looking them in their eyes and usually they don't

so they don't seem hostile and i don't come up to them filming i asked for permission beforehand so you know i have faith that i could uh i could outrun them that's that's not reassuring yeah i don't know about that but it's also it's fascinating that a kid from more rural like cook county maryland gets into the nitty-gritty of the inner cities and is interested in this stuff like did you grow up on hip-hop is that part of it or yeah so i'm from carroll county maryland which is like one of the i say cook i'm sorry no no it's fine it's fine um i mean no one's heard of carroll county so yeah i'm from carroll county maryland it's one of the whitest places in maryland one of the safest places in maryland very very nice i grew

up on like two acres farm land all around cornfields horses closest mall is like freaking a half hour away i gotta drive like 15 minutes to the grocery store i love it there's no traffic ever there's no crime nothing so this is way different you're out of your you're out of your wavelength here yeah yeah it's i bro this is so triggering for me to be uh in new york city because it's like you can't drive anywhere it's it York City because it's like you can't drive anywhere. It's just hell. It's like my own personal little hell.

It's noisy. I parked this car for him downstairs. Yeah, literally. Unless he wasn't here for that. Yeah. Like, bro, I can't parallel park. Good. This is, yeah.

I never am going to leave the country. It's just where I need to be. But yeah, I'm a huge fan of hip hop. I don't know why or how, like nobody in my family got me into it but by the time i was 12 years old i was like obsessed with nas big l de la soul idea atmosphere even like uk stuff like uh high focus uh i don't know dirty dyke that's a rapper i don't know if i can say that but yeah dirty ocean wisdom all these people so eclectic tastes i like that yeah i was really into uh like old school hip-hop and then as far as the being or being interested in like the drug stuff

is carroll county borders baltimore county and baltimore has one of the worst opioid problems in america so i've been over like 20 funerals from like friends dying. It's really like ravaged our area. Yeah. Best friend growing up. We have the same exact birthday. Next door neighbor. He died. Just endless people.

I could just list. You know what? We talk so much about these big drug dealers and everything. And, oh, getting them off the streets. The biggest ones are the Sacklers and what people like that have done. I mean, I assume you've seen some of the recent content that's come out or read some of the books about that, but that pisses me off to no end because you have these rich corporate whatever paying off their political donors to make a lot of money off people and

addict entire swaths and regions of America to this stuff, to people that might've done nothing wrong. People, a lot of people did nothing wrong. They got injured or something. And then their doctor prescribed them fucking 12,000 milligrams of a Percocet. It's crazy to me that that happens.

And it's, it's heartbreaking to hear so many people that I talked to, whether it be on here or in life who know people like friends they were growing up with who died from this stuff it's it's really tough but you know there's also they've they found a way to you know they'll take drugs like that and then they'll kind of expand it to other things too and sometimes it feels like to me i don't know if my tinfoil hat brain's tingling but you know i'll see like how it'll get to the hoods for example cocaine becomes crack becomes something like that more affordable if you will for poor people and it almost seems like it's structured a little bit no yeah i mean who's bringing it in how is it able to stay out there you know i don't have

the answers for sure but i think it's crazy that this trank stuff is new like within the past decade i've never even heard of trank until this year but i live uh i grew up in a really unfortunate time where everyone was doing oxys and then obviously that oxys start to get um hard to afford so you start doing heroin you used to be able to do heroin for years and then obviously that oxys start to get um hard to afford so you start doing heroin you used to be able to do heroin for years and then fentanyl came in and then you have no idea what you're dosing so that's why everyone in my area died because um they were doing heroin and the next thing you know this fentanyl stuff came out like what i feel like i started noticing in like 2008 and um no one knew what they were dosing anymore no one knew what fentanyl was so people just

started dropping it's crazy how like they said like two what is it like two grains or whatever the hell they call it can just kill you the first time i mean i've known people who thought they were buying another drug and died yeah from that too which is similar to what you were talking about it's completely insane but yeah i mean i definitely think that uh i of course i'd be wrong but it seems like the government has to have something to do with it you know there was there was this guy who wrote a book called fentanyl inc and his name is escaping me now but he was he was on joe rogan's show years ago maybe like four or five years ago something like that and that was an eye-opener for me where you start to wonder how much the government could at least be a involuntary allower of this kind of thing because this dude kind of savage he went undercover like just as an author he wasn't even a drugs or you know crime author he'd been a pop culture author

and somehow i forget like fell into this story ended up writing it but he went undercover to china to see how easy it is to get it here. And then I, I'm forgetting some of the details, but then charted some of the course to like Mexico and how they'll just bring it right across. And he's like, how could this not be like, how can you just let this keep happening? Obviously there is, people are always going to get in some, some crimes always going to happen, but it's so rampant and it happened happened i don't have the numbers in front of me maybe you could find some data lessee but like it happened so fast to where there was none of it and then all the streets

are filled with it and people are dying left and right you got people dying in fucking clubs in new york because they think they're taking coke and it's coke laced with fentanyl i mean it's it's so part of it feels like it's some sort of like opium war. It's insane, and for people that haven't experienced it and it's not in their area, they don't understand. It is one of the biggest epidemics in America. It is killing so many people. It is destroying lives, and it's just insane to see what it's done and how it's ravaged these communities. Hey, guys.

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who have already been doing that. And thank you to all of you who are gonna do so now. Now you've done like content in Kensington and I'm sure in some of the other videos, some of this stuff comes up, but have you thought about doing like some sort of feature series specifically on that and all different kinds of neighborhoods

around the country? Yeah, I would love to. Last year, me and Tommy did one in Baltimore where we went out and just went into some of the abandoned homes and saw the needles and then just walking around the street over half people you see are like strung out on drugs in this neighborhood of baltimore so yeah just interviewing them and offering some perspective um i just wish there was like something like i wish i could do these

videos and there was a solution or an answer that i could provide or promote at the end um but yeah i I mean, I would love to cover it, but sometimes it does feel like weird. I'm like, damn, I'm just going there and talking to people and like, uh, how can I help? You know? Right. Well, Tommy had a really good line. I'll probably fuck it up, but he was talking about, you know, you can't boil the ocean, but you can boil your pot. And I think that's kind of what you guys are doing, you know, in the little way you can figure out ways to help down the line, in the meantime, you're at least showing people these things. I mean, I had seen – I don't know if we can pull it up, Alessi, but Brandon's O-Block video.

I had seen that back when I – I guess that was shortly after I found you. You came out with that. Yeah, I was right in that era. Yeah. But just go to popular. Yeah, I was right in that era. Yeah, but, you know, just go to popular. Yeah, that's my number one. Yeah, it should be number one. Let's hit this for a second. They make it seem like we just so bad, so dangerous.

They make it seem like we monsters. We just like normal people. We just be chilling. Your hair is unreal there. The segregated White City Amusement Park was built in 1905 on 14 acres of land in the heart of what is in modern days called Old Block. This park was famous for its attractions, including a tower that could be seen for 14

miles in all directions. After its demolition in 1946, the area would once again become famous, this time for much more sinister reasons. In 1955, America's first cooperatively owned African American amusement park stood. The low-income apartment complex, called Parkway Gardens, would house more than 20,000 residents, and throughout I am yapping. Nice. Nice.

The camera works so good known as wick city gets its current name o block from deceased bd member od perry who was shot and killed at only 20 years of age by 17 year old gd member ki and as of 2022 there are 36 between o block and stl ebt alone but while many people speak and speculate like the worst moment to laugh in the whole video yeah but was kind of funny. Yeah, no. With the... Are you guys? I'm back in Oblock. I'm here to do some serious interviews about what life is like right here in the community of Parkway Gardens.

Are you just standing? Are you smoking? Yeah, I'm smoking a blunt. We're going to sit down with him and ask him some questions about what life was like growing up right here at Parkway Gardens. That shirt's swag, by the way. Thank you, thank you. So security guards, as always, are going crazy out here. So what you been up to? I've been selling, man. Thank you. We lost who? One of my close friends yesterday. Cal Too Hot. Apparently, the night before we came to O'Block,

resident and up-and-coming hip-hop artist Too Hot was shot and murdered only seven blocks away from Parkway Gardens. Right now we're in a staircase in the middle of O'Block. Who am I here with? G-Nut. What's wrong? How long you lived here for? I've been living here since like 2004. My whole life.

You got 18 years in this house. For sure. What was it like growing up in O'Block? Shit. You gonna see a little bit of everything. You just gotta eat a star, survive. Eat a star. Don't survive, shit.

It's like a fast life out here, isn't it? They know. What's it like seeing all the talent come through the area? In 2004, you said you've been here, so you've seen everything. Whole block talented. Everybody know how to do something good with their life. This ain't the end for everybody, for sure. Everybody know something that can make them a career.

And be something. Engineers, beat makers, all types of shit. People don't even know. A lot of artists out here. For sure. What are some of the pros of living in No Block? Shit. Not even a farm area.

There's not shit to do. There's no malls. Nah, you always going to have something to do right here. It don't matter what it is, you're going to have something to do. Because it's like, there's a lot of motherfuckers over here. You're going to be tweaked. It's going to be fun, gang. That shit fun to see.

Like a little arcade or something. You got all your friends. Everyone's rapping, you know what I'm saying? Ain't no friends. We our family over here. We our brothers. So do you feel like people in Oblock stay clicked up and stay loyal to one another?

For sure. That's what we is. That's what we stand for. You feel like gun violence isn't a problem here in Oblock? me being around like i don't think it's really no problem it's just like people like they make they make stuff bigger than what it is they want us to be monsters it's the most dangerous block in america no one will even step foot in this area if you're not from here you right here you feel like there's a big misconception about violence in oblong for sure like it's just the outside looking in.

It'd be the people that have never been over here saying how dangerous it is. All right, let's pause and check. On July 4th. That's really good back and forth, by the way. There was a lot in there. But he makes an interesting point because I wonder about this sometimes, you know, especially like politically, people like talking points on every little thing. You turn on every channel, they'll be like, oh, Chicago, it's so bad.

And it is. There's a lot of issues. But do you feel like sometimes when you actually do, for example, go into a place like this and you're okay, it's obviously dangerous. It's not great. But do you think some of it is like we're almost – the truth is more in between? I think being white and having a camera makes it makes you so much safer in the hood um you know i don't i don't like to spell it out for people too much i like them to draw their own conclusions obviously like the morning that we

filmed this video his best friend had just got shot while we were leaving o block in this video people were shooting right there um so i i think that uh obviously the mainstream media sucks but i do think there's a massive gun violence problem but yeah if he wants to say that there isn't and he wants to um talk about that uh you know i'll definitely let him and let the audience draw their own conclusion yeah i think that was a cold take personally but yeah he said, I mean, you know, he's like, eat or starve. That is, it's crazy that probably one county over, it's nothing like that. Definitely. And it's fascinating to hear his perspective as well.

Three months after this video came out, he got shot like six or seven times, broke his arm. And yeah, I think now he's in jail. Do you stay in touch with a lot of these guys? Yeah, if they... So certain people I meet, I get along with them great and it's awesome. There's certain people that I meet that maybe I don't want to keep in contact with them

or I don't really like them that much. So some of them I do, some of them I don't. Because there's plenty of times I go to do a video and then they're hitting me up every single day asking me to repost their music and then they start demanding money for me or threatening me if I don't do them favors not to say that any of them did that but yeah so I would say it's like half and half I would love to keep in contact with them I try to get people to

start a YouTube channel I'm always like trying to tell them like you should start you shouldn't take me coming here and filming you for this to come out like you guys should be filming your own stuff you have interesting culture interesting stories start monetizing so people try to say like i'm a culture vulture i take from the hood it's like every hood i've gone to i've always said like you guys should start your own channel you guys should start vlogging you guys should start doing whatever you're interested in and monetizing it so yeah people want to stay in contact and pick my brain about that i'm always open to it but you have to want to like hit me up and demand things from me yeah it's a problem i'll probably stop

answering yeah i mean people are always going to find something to attack man it's like especially if you're doing good work people get jealous of it you saw cnn got jealous of you and i take it as a compliment if i were you yeah but well because me and tommy's video about kensington was way better than their video they literally did the same thing except at the end of their video they were like and there's also a problem of youtubers coming here it's like oh yeah sorry we're not labeled journalists officially like you guys but i i would say that tommy g is 10 times the journalist of anyone on CNN stuff. He's incredible. I'm proud of that guy because he's doing ballsy things.

And you should be very proud of yourself too because I see you going in some similar lanes now as well. And you guys obviously make a great team. But speaking about him, he started off as a prankster and then was like, hey, let's cover the stuff that they don't want to cover. And we'll tell it like it is. And that's why YouTube wins because, in my opinion, because people can smell bullshit. Even like, not a nice way to think about it, but think about like some of the dumbest people you know. They still have like, unless it's a politician talking. Yeah, they still have a bullshit meter on things.

And so when people see like man on the street, there's something real about it. When people see some fucking CNN reporter with 10 pounds of makeup on her face and wearing like a pantsuit saying, I'm live in Chicago, Tom. They don't take that seriously you know yeah no so this this old block video is really interesting because prior to this video neither me or tommy had ever contacted someone from the hood and met up with them and did a video about them wait what this video was 2022 right yeah yeah but it was filmed it was filmed in may yeah so this was the first time so me and tommy had originally gone to oblock and did sus rapping where we say homoerotic rap bars as like a prank, you know? So prior to this, that just hit upstairs. Prior to this, I had gone to Jacksonville, but didn't connect with anyone, just literally walked around the area and talked to people and did like a documentary about the

hood there. I had gone to Baltimore and did, walked around and done a homeless documentary. I had done Skid row but um yeah and like what me and tommy do now neither of us were doing it um prior to this video you know like we kind of not that this was the reason but like this was kind of a turning point of like we kind of found something that i enjoyed doing this video more than i enjoyed being you know gay in the in the hood and that video is funny the sus rapping is really funny can we pull that up sus rapping gay in the hood uh yeah sus rap do the do the milwaukee one the milwaukee one is so funny do you know which you know sus rapping in milwaukee

it's probably got like 300k all right but sus rapping so yeah me it's people people might not know it like me and tommy used to do a lot more comedy stuff. Is that it? The second one? See there. Type in Milwaukee after suss rapping. I'm sorry. Sorry to cut you off.

I'm just making sure we get it. No. Yeah, me and Tommy, we did a lot of funny stuff, kind of more in the prank, made on the street funny lane. And we both kind of enjoyed it, but weren't in love with it right and then um well i think part of it is the two you guys are are also i don't want to say it's the wrong way but you're also like very intelligent so you are thinking about a lot of things and so great comedians are often intelligent but i mean look at george carlin for example like he moved past comedy with some things and comment on culture i think guys like you you'd never be

able to fully stay in that box because there's too much on your mind for good reason yeah and even now i still like to bounce around and do funny stuff now and then but you know tommy has just paved the way and become like he's at the forefront of this journalism scene and it's amazing because he's he deserves it and he's such a good guy and it's such a such a better fit than the the prank stuff but tommy is hilarious he's so funny he is hilarious he's so quick-witted um and the guy's the guy's like a freaking genius did he talk to you about his real estate stuff yes he did like like he is he feels like he to me like he's 10 moves ahead on stuff yeah and i can see when when you see people exploding like that,

you obviously want to figure out, okay, what is it? For him, it's a combination, in my opinion, of him being happy-go-lucky, but also, don't be fooled, guy's smart as hell. Yeah, he's unbelievable. He's just taking off. I feel like we've been flip-flopping, inspiring each other back and forth. Yeah. And then, bro, lately, it's just been like, I'm just in awe of what he's just taking off i feel like we were just like flip-flopped inspiring each other back and forth and then bro lately it's just been like i'm just at all of what he's doing like he started his

wrestling foundation in milwaukee um you know he's got a home he's got married he's had a kid like now i'm like looking up to him like damn bro you know i'm just so proud of him you know what i mean yeah i can't wait to start a wrestling foundation i can't wait to get married and have a kid you know um so you grew up as a wrestler too, right? Yeah. Russellton's third grade. No shit. Yeah. Tommy got fourth in the state and, uh, I think Wisconsin maybe when he was in high school. Yeah. And I got, I got sixth in Maryland and then he wrestled, um, D three and I wrestled NCAA, which also competes in D three and D two. And you're also, you're long, you know, you don't think of like the typical wrestlers like tall and what are you like 6'3", 6'4"?

Yeah, 6'3", I got that heterosexual twink thing going on. Well, you were pretty good. I was decent. I had a move called the spladle, which was known as a junk move, like a trash move. But because I was so long and flexible, I became very good at it. Because I'm not like that strong, but I'm like flexible and have really very good at it because i'm not like that strong but i'm like flexible and have really good balance and stuff so well i saw you when you were training to fight ice poseidon and then beat him when i guess i was like the influencer boxing realm or whatever like not a

fair fight what why is that like it's ice beside he never played a sport like i couldn't believe he was even down to fight me but we asked like everyone to know i wanted to but you took the training seriously definitely you were cut the fuck up bro i was impressed with that anyone can knock out anyone so there's no way i was you know gonna let yeah the ice beside and do that to me but it was possible for sure was that like was that experience trend how long were you training up for that? Six months with Sam Hyde and Jason Estrada out in Rhode Island. All right, wait a second. How did you get hooked up with them?

So Sam Hyde and Million Dollar Extreme in general, Charles Carroll, Nick Roachforth, I was always a huge fan of them ever since 2013, 2014. I saw this video called Bass FX that I thought was hilarious. And then, yeah yeah when i started coming up on youtube their editor and filmer jet neptune shouted me on instagram and was like yo if you guys want to find good youtube content you got to watch bernie buckingham and i was like what jet oh my god bro i love mde you know and then um jet invited me out to tampa florida to go to creator clash and then that was when sam and the Idub stuff was going on.

And the what? Can you explain that? Sam Hyde and Idub's had a beef. Idub's went to film a documentary about him. I don't know anything about this. Tell us all. So Idub's tried to do a bad faith documentary about Sam. And then it didn't go how he wanted it to.

In his words, I'm usually used to being the puppet master. And it didn't work. So he didn't want to release it. So Sam obviously had his guard up. So he was filming the whole time. So then he released it and caused iDubbbz a bunch of shit. And then iDubbbz ended up putting it out. And it just made iDubbbz, like, really bad.

And what's his full background? Because, like, I try to be careful when I read Wikipedia pages because it's edited sometimes against people. But he kind of seems to be all over the place with some with some controversy like what's what's Sam's deal and why do some people not like him Sam is a comedian and Sam um does not hold back joking about anything and yeah so he's rubbed some people the wrong way but I think he's hilarious so yeah essentially how I actually started training boxing is because at that Creator Clash thing, iDubbbz had said, and if you guys don't know about this, it probably sounds ridiculous.

Squirtle was talking about Charmander and then... So at the Creator Clash thing, iDubbbz had said that Dr. Mike would never fight on a card with Sam Hyde. So I actually... Wait, like Dr. Mike, Dr. Mike? The YouTuber? Yeah. Like the doc? Yeah, because Sam Hyde wanted to be on the card.

So they banned Sam Hyde from the event, right? But I was there. And then I saw Dr. Mike outside of the event, coincidentally. Like I was literally, a fan asked me to smoke, I think, a bong in his car. Walking over there. And then I just ran into Dr. Mike. I was like, yo, it's Dr. Mike. Get the thing out. And then I was like, hey, Dr hey dr mike how do you think about the fight um what do you have

to say to sam hyde who was actually banned from the event and he was like sam hyde he didn't even know who he was he was like oh i'm sorry to sam hyde so it proved that items lied sam saw that reposted on his instagram followed me and then keemstar actually here he comes keemstar i was trying to get him to sign me to his promotion and he said if you can get sam hyde to train you for your fight then i'll sign you so i was like uh hey sam can you train me and he was like yeah come out here and the next week i went out there i lived down the street for him for well i lived with jet for like two or three months and i lived literally down the street from sam for two or three months training six month camp sharing with him all the time yeah shout out big six boxing jason estrada

sam hyde md all those guys you did a good job i mean i i would imagine the discipline you learn training wrestling growing up pretty much prepares you for that is that fair to say decently enough i am not a boxer i don't like taking shots to the head and i i don't even like punching people in the face to be honest so. So I'm definitely not a boxer. I learned that. Well, you're pretty good at it. We got your footage here. Oh, no, you got a little haymaker there.

Woo! All my training went right out the window. Get the hands at the waist. Yeah, everyone's got a plan. Bull rushing him, throwing him, throwing ridiculous punches. But I lost every single round of sparring I did in my training camp. So as soon as he started looking at me with, like, these eyes, I was like, bro, I'm just going to get him. What's Mike Tyson's line?

Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth. Yeah. People work on bags and they're like, oh, this is just like it. Nope. Bro, my whole game plan was to keep my keep my guard high work behind my jab and clinch but as soon as he was hurt i was like hands down haymakers well that's pretty cool i mean it's a good experience to do it but we need your head so you know maybe don't do that too many times yeah i was uh i mean i got dropped like three times in sparring i thought i broke my jaw i was getting

really bad headaches and like i said i never won a single round but now you got it you gotta spar hard and you have to be prepared if you're going to go out there in a 10,000 person arena. I was at the Moody Center in Austin.

Fuck yeah. Do we have that sus rapping video, by the way? It's right here. All right, let's play that real quick. I want to say

a shout out to Ice Poseidon Paul Dino for accepting that fight. I'd really thank him for that because, bro, we asked everyone. No one wanted to do it. Well, you wanted to do it with Sneeko.

He's such an alpha male tough guy. He could never risk fighting anyone and losing. That would have been nice to see you house him. That would have been really nice. Let's play this real quick. Oh, so y'all gay. Ladies and gentlemen, it's the buggy.

It's y'all buggy. There has been more people that have been incarcerated out of this area than any area in the entire world. We're going to go rap gay. I think it's just Tommy's idea. Guys, we are officially in 53206, most incarcerated zip code in the country. Six out of ten dudes walking around i've been to the pen it's placed in the real deal so this is the leopard slum man ak-47 is the two let me yuck a fucking fool on his mic it's midnight it's time to go up and find a nigga

she got to monetize so quick that's hot i'll tell you like this. Gang related, real shit. I'm a crip, no cap. I lay a young man down, straight suck the shit out his ass. No loitering, no trespassing. Check this out. Oh, you're playing park. Let's get ready to rumble.

What up, G, how you doing? I'm trying to get a record deal, spit some hot bars, super hot, MC Doobie Hot, you feel me? Can I kick something for you? Keep it real, don't be a yes man, alright? Give it to me raw. Hey yo, when life gives you lemons, I go gay for pay. Strange man piss in my ass. Call that gay lemonade. How about this? Red Rover, Red Rover.

How about you bend me over? Tommy. Why not, bro? That shit was cold. I don't like it ill, apparently. That shit, man. We talking about other men. We talking about bitches, man.

We talking about better bitches than those fucking bitches in their ass and shit like that, man. That's bullshit. That's shit, man. I thought it was all the way around. Call me Barack Obama because I'm gay and my wife's a man. I take it out late at night. Your dick, my hand. He's like, that's all.

He grabbed me. He grabbed me. He grabbed me. He said, what the fuck? We got girls around here, man. Hey, yo, I'm so gay, I'm a criminal. Aggressive, homosexual. Menace to society. He looked at me like I'm not gay.

Boy, don't lie to me. Not. I'm dropping out the pocket like my name is Tonyony romo it would be accurate if you called me a homo what do you say people we'll put this link in the scriptures thing you'll watch dude he also like has he's like hey how you doing man i'm just from milwaukee here out in the hood like something about the delivery there is so perfect. Cause then people are like,

who the fuck is this guy? And then you're wearing like a leopard suit. Yeah. Funny thing about Tommy is like, you know, I'm from a really nice, great area. Ever since I've known Tommy,

he's lived in the hood hood, like really in the hood. So Tommy, he is fully assimilated into, into the hood hood, like really in the hood. So Tommy, he is fully assimilated into the hood. Guys, if you're still watching this video and you haven't yet hit that subscribe button, please take two seconds and go hit it right now. Thank you. Yeah, it's certainly an interesting life decision with all the videos he's doing as well.

Because again, I asked him like the same question. Do you worry about your safety with some of this? Like some of these guys you were saying they hit you up like oh you know put my music on or i'll fuck you up like if he's living near it too like maybe they could it's kind of scary no yeah no definitely i mean i think tommy should move out of the hood but he's you know he's a smart guy and he knows what he's doing and he's building a real estate empire and he you know he's a smart guy and he knows what he's doing and he's building a real estate empire and he you know he stays in a nicer place now for sure but when i first went out there in 2021 and stayed at his uh apartment i was like bro what we're living in a trap house like what are you doing what is this that's so funny it's very on brand but like do you he was telling me now a lot of guys will hit him up right and he'll do videos based on wherever they are if he's interested in it.

But you had been saying, I guess, the Oblock one was one of the first ones where you set it up ahead of time. Did they hit you up or did you hit them up? At that point, no one would have hit me or tell me up for that stuff because all were doing was like messing around like doing the prank stuff and you know i was i was still doing some more interview stuff but um yeah no one definitely no one was hitting us up so how did how did you consummate that like how did i get in contact with the guys i started doing research um about oblock who was from there and just hit up every rapper that i could find there's a rapper named the rappers you know little reese yeah chief keith what's yeah i know is he on yeah i hate being sober bitches love sosa or one of those songs he's on one of those songs probably so i'd like to take this time to say uh fuck little reese he scammed me for 150 dollars back then he said he said he would do a 10 minute

interview for 300 i just send the full payment up front. I said, I'll send half up front, half when I meet you. I gave him the money, and he never answered. Over $150? Yeah, I mean, how down bad can you be? That's down bad, man. Yeah, he's supposed to be the reaper of Oblok. He's supposed to be rich and famous, and you're scamming me. It's really tough.

Really tough. So shout out to him. All right. We got that on the record. Yeah. No, i've been saying fuck lorise ever since then because i mean is that gangster a little no not of him to steal 150 no it's gangster of you to call out shit for what it is and i'm not gangster i just like bro

like come on bro 150 like it's just so weak but yeah shout out to g nook and uh ike mana and all those guys that's that's who we contacted and so now do you have a lot of people who will hit you up? Yeah. And that's how you go versus you hitting them? I still mostly do stuff that I'm mostly still hitting people up because I'm pretty specific about what I want to do. But yeah, I have like dozens if not several hundreds of people all over America that are like, come to my hood. Come do a documentary about me. Well, when you hit people up, maybe it's different every time,

but you're talking about going into their inner sanctum as an outsider and documenting it and using it for your content. Is it difficult to earn their trust, or do people kind of get on board relatively quickly? It feels like people trust me relatively quick i don't know but yeah it seems it's definitely getting easier and easier but yeah no it seems like yeah always goes pretty smoothly i meet them within a few minutes of us talking they're letting their guard down and comfortable and we're you know having genuine conversation and what are you in new york filming right now uh i've done a documentary about um harlem specifically where big l was from

and then i did a video about courtland projects where rappers like shai k be love booba savage are from and then i did a documentary about sugar hill where you know old school rappers like az are from but but also like Jewel Santana, Sugar Hill DD, DD Osama, Natty Osama, rest in peace, E-Dot Baby, people like that. And these are guys you grew up listening to in some cases. And then some are newer. AZ definitely.

But yeah, some, like a lot of, a lot of them are the newer people, but yeah, I'm a huge fan of rap music. So I wanted to come out here cause I was just, it's cool for me. I'm like fan, I'm like fanboying out. Like, I'm a huge fan of rap music so I wanted to come out here because I was just it's cool for me I'm like fan I'm like fanboy out like I'm like what like there's the big Elm URL you know I mean they're like oh this is where this is where he filmed put it on and they're just tell me all the stuff and it's fascinating yeah he was the best never was yeah he mean man my god if people haven't heard of him i would say listen to the what is it 98 freestyle and also listen to his seven minute freestyle with jay-z the freestyle the

98 freestyle is incredible the freestyle with jay-z is the best freestyle i've ever heard in my life and like it's big l for a full verse jay-z for a verse big l for a verse and then jay-z for a verse and i think it was papito garcia on the in the studio which if you played nba street volume 2 growing up that was the guy going papito garcia let's go but like literally jay-z is incredible in his bars but like it's nothing like what big l could do i mean some of those lines like we would just sit there like bro jay-z had to be so disappointed that it was big l that he was rapping with because i guess anyone else it would have looked amazing oh my god but no he had jay-z damn near stuttering yeah are we able is that it's probably copyrighted because i think it's either the mob

deep instrumental or it's the milk bone uh keep it real instrumental but they sound very similar yeah if if people i i guess we won't watch it on here because it's definitely copyrighted but if people at home want to check that out type in jay-z big l freestyle you're welcome yeah it's so fucking good so good but he was killed on like in his neighborhood right yeah they said he was born there he lived there his entire life he did what he did outside in that same block and he died right there on that block who killed him uh i believe it was someone that uh thought it was his brother they killed him because it was his brother and i think that the guy who killed him ended up getting killed as well that's so sad it's senseless yeah a lot of this stuff is

completely senseless and as much as i love rap music you know i do hate like the cycle of violence that seems to go hand in hand with it do you do you have like because you're talking with these guys on the ground and sometimes you're you're talking with rappers who are objectively successful who are still living in their hood and yeah in some ways like putting down in their hood do you ever have conversations with them like why don't you get the fuck out yeah i try i mean i definitely try to but there's just a massive massive disconnect in mentalities you know how so like you know why don't you know why don't you get out of the hood man like it would be great to go to a different area uh why the fuck would i want to do that man it's my's my block. These are my people. I'm like, yeah, but you can still help your people

and move away from here. Right. Yeah, I definitely never had, I never got through to anyone, and I'm definitely not there to preach to them or anything. But yeah, I definitely try to have the conversation. I actually did, I don't want to name drop, but I actually did have that really good conversation

with a rapper from Virginia that I think he said it really resonated with him and he's thinking about leaving well i think he already did he stays outside of there but spends a lot of time there and i think he was like you know yeah i think i'm gonna stop spending time there that's cool you get through to somebody because you know a lot of these places as much love as they're in the as much love as there is in the community there's also like a crabs in a bucket mentality where people want to be in a bucket yeah crabs in a bucket mentality like a crab goes to climb out of a bucket and the other crab tries to climb as well so they grab them and pull them down they all stay in the bucket right so there's a lot of hate from the home team in a lot of these places

more than more than i mean i even realize yeah and o block which is the video we were watching that's like where king vaughn's from right and he was killed what two three years ago now something like that yeah he was killed uh maybe longer than that by lil tim which was a friend of cuando rondo so he saw cuando rondo he hopped out of the car tried to beat him up and then got shot and killed that's crazy because he's like a big rapper he's a millionaire at the time it was pretty senseless but i guess um you know in their own words they had to stand on business but like i just don't i've been in hoods before where they've literally saw the ops and they've been like oh the ops are the ops and they've been like

oh the ops are right there and i'll be like oh oh in that case like we should go and they'll be like no i don't give a fuck i'm a pop them and then i'm like all right i'm like no i'm not with me i'm gonna go home and they're like you're scared you're scared and i'm like bro if you think i'm scared or you think i'm a pussy that's fine i'm gonna be smart you know and live yeah because i i feel like um having that mentality where you're down to crash out, you know, and live. Yeah. Cause I, I feel like, um, having that mentality where you're down to crash out over anything, you just, it's like desperate. It's like, for what you guys have so much more to live for. You have so much opportunity that you don't even, maybe you don't realize it, or maybe I just don't get it, but yeah, to be down to have a shootout

at the drop of a hat, just off principle or off your ego is insane to me but it's a different lifestyle and you know i know where i'm from and i know that maybe i'll never get it and that's fine with me well what do you think about like you know the age-old argument about gun violence here because it's like it seems like when they restrict gun access they just get more of them and then when they access, they just get more of them. And then when they don't, they just get more of them. Like, how do you even solve that if they all have it? I'm really anti-gun. I think we should take guns off the street and make them illegal.

Yeah, I definitely, I don't think I've ever talked about my position on this. I tend to not talk about it. Well, let's do it. But yeah, I'm 100% pro-gun all the way. I mean, I don't understand the logic of, yeah, let's take guns away. It's going to stop all this violence in the hood. None of these guys have legal guns to begin with. That's all illegal guns.

You think they're going to give you their guns back? That's insane. Take their guns. They're going to get another gun. They're going to rub off the paint. They're going to get like, oh man man it just doesn't make any sense if you make guns illegally they're gonna take guns away from people who want to defend their property and their home and their family and then the bad people are that are willing to break the law are gonna have guns

yeah i tend to agree with you i think it's it's really more the law abiding citizens who are gonna take the the bad end of that. And I'm not totally familiar. I don't know if we can pull it up, Alessi, but the exact language of the stipulations they put in in Chicago. But they don't have a shortage of guns there. And that's been in place for a while now. Yeah. Well, hey, I mean, making drugs all illegal has worked out awesome.

So, yeah, let's make guns illegal too. What do you think about that there's people who argue that we should make we should make all drugs legal and let people have their choice which is like kind of the pure libertarian argument these these are this is such a good question because this is something that i wish i i knew the right answer to like i was saying earlier like oh i wish when i do a video about homelessness or do a video about drug addiction that I had better answers I really don't know like if drugs should be decriminalized or if they should be illegal or what the process is I know obviously jail probably isn't the best step for rehab but I mean if you have someone selling drugs or

what's the solution so I actually don't have a good answer about that yeah neither do I and and it's like well do you actually don't have a good answer about that yeah neither do i and and it's like well do you draw the line somewhere right weed fine alcohol obviously has been fine you know maybe you make coke fine but do you draw the line at heroin and then does that if you do draw the line doesn't even matter heroin's no different than lean heroin's no different than percocets no different than oxys right it's the same thing yeah i'm putting that all in one category but it's opioids in general i know there was some data in portugal where they where they did it but you also got to remember the when you're looking at other countries it's very different number one by size number two by culture

right we are a melting pot here portugal's not necessarily a melting pot. It's all kind of the same culture, historic culture. Is it homogenous there? Not 100%. People are going to yell at me for that. But more so? Much more so than here. So it's like can you really cross-compare that? I don't know.

And then also like if you do experiment with some of this if it goes south people are going to be losing on tuesdays and novembers and that's never good for those people you know what i mean like that's what drives all their fucking decisions i wish it didn't but you know they don't want to take risks like that yeah like i think about like when i have kids you know do i i thought about what if my kid becomes a drug addict because it's so big uh in my area it's like i don't know sometimes it's like maybe it'll be it is good to have legal repercussions because it's just like an additional consequence that's preventing you from doing the drug i mean doing drugs is dangerous enough yeah i don't know what what a freaking difficult question hopefully one day i'll be smart enough to have a good answer and i can push that but i think it's

one of those age-old questions. It's tough when you're not in it too in a way. I mean you at least get to see it more in the average person. But you don't want to be not – I have tremendous empathy for addiction. And as we laid out earlier with some examples, sometimes people get there because their doctors prescribe them stuff. So I don't think the solution, especially in those situations, is like jail or something like that but also like where it's blurry right so blurry because it definitely needs to be treated as a mental health thing but so what do you do for instance for someone who is constantly um like buying heroin and doing

heroin and have no intention of stop they've been to they've been to rehab 20 times i mean you just let that person stay on the street shooting up heroin and you know boosting stealing stuff from stores and like what do you it's just such a difficult thing what do you do because all my videos about um homelessness and drug addiction what i've learned is there are people that are homeless and there are people that are addicted to drugs that do not want to stop yeah they feel like oh no this is what i want to be doing this is my freedom and they might tell you like a little stop yeah i wish I wish I could quit. I wish we could get, but if you say like, oh yeah, like I'll pay for you to go to rehab or I'll, you know, right now we could go somewhere and we could get you help. They're like, oh no, no. And there's homeless people that I've tried

to be like, oh, do you want me to put you up in a hotel for a few nights? Like we can, we can try to like do like a month or two long thing where I try to help you out. And it always falls through. Do you think that's the devil in them talking because of their mind being altered by the reality they're in? Or is it genuinely because they don't want to? I feel like it's probably a mix of they just want to stay comfortable in their very free lifestyles they have and uh also like fear of looking at this mountain of like damn i have to get sober off drugs i have to find a way to make money to eventually or yeah like how do you it's so many obstacles to jump through a vehicle a home how you're gonna get a good job i feel like

they're like fucking just get high god that's so sad and we do have such a i don't know the numbers maybe we could find something but especially since the pandemic you know we have such an uptick of that all over the place i mean have you been to like san francisco where they talk about this all the time that's one example they always use so i'm yet to do a video that i went there in like uh 2016 or something oh a while ago yeah okay it's gotten crazy right yeah yeah it's gotten crazy now because i'd be curious to see like i've heard that one's pretty legit sometimes i think they they overdo it but you know nonetheless they're there's they're also not incentivized to fix it right i know joe rogan's talked this a ton, but you'll look at some of these cities

and there will be a job called Homeless People Coordinator. And they're making like 200-some grand. Six figures, yeah. So the goal of a job like that should be solving the problem so that the job disappears, but you're creating an economic system where... You're incentivized to keep it going exactly yeah yeah and as far as like you know the housing market right now is insane and i there i

have there was a guy in austin texas for instance that um i interviewed in my it's a little bit of a distasteful title it's called mtv homeless cribs i wish i didn't title it that. Uh, this will a bit distasteful, but, uh, he works a full-time job and it's so expensive. He went through a divorce and it was so expensive for housing in Austin that he has a tent under a bridge and he has a, uh, a, an AC unit in there. And he's got a TV with, um, like a TV with like a Roku or whatever. He works full time. Can you scroll towards more of the end of the video? He's got Roku on it? Yeah, I think it's that guy. Alright.

How's it going, Brandon? Pretty normal life anyway. I'm in the situation. My sister passed away and my job was COVID-19. So much of our hours were cut back. But we do everything like everybody else. We work every single day, you know.

I'll give you an idea. That's clean. We work all the time. But, yeah, it's not easy. You know, you get hassled by people, hassled by police. But overall, it's not terrible. What bugs me, I guess bugs me the most, is not having access to a shower every single day. I just go to the gym and go shower there.

But yeah, it's nice. It doesn't suck. You know, it could be better, it could be worse. I've had this generator for many years. And I didn't know I always use it for this. Whoa. Oh, that's awesome. Yeah, it does suck. I just got a TV. You mind if he comes in here, Bersinger? Yeah, I'm having a TV. I've got Roku, so I've got a bunch of stuff to watch.

I don't have the Peckhawk turned on, so that's probably going to die in a few seconds. But yeah, I've got the TV in bulk pickup. I've got 17 days and one night. See if something'm good. See, I wanted to show you that to say, like, does that seem like some strung out drug addict that's just a loser? Like, with the current housing crisis, it is so hard to afford a home. I think the average income in America is, what, $31,000 per person? Sounds right. And the average home is over $400,000.

So how are you going to afford a home? So there's definitely a huge percentage of the homeless population that is there because they have to be and they don't want to be at all. But then there are a huge percentage as well that are there by choice. Yeah, that's where it gets difficult. I mean, this is pretty eye-opening, seeing this right here. Where was this again? Austin, Texas? Austin, Texas. And then they come through. They just made it so you can't have tents on the

sidewalks. Then they come through and sweep these people out. And then, you know, that's like another question. Do you think it's good? I don't want tents all over my sidewalk, but then where are these people going to go? And it's really difficult. I also, I have an unreleased video from Maine. I wanted to do a homeless documentary in Maine because Maine is freezing, absolutely freezing. And I went there in December and it was like six degrees out, ground was frozen. And we went to a homeless camp and I talked to someone that was there helping, and they told me that the entire homeless shelter was empty and they can't get people to come into the homeless shelter because they don't want to wake up at a certain time and go to bed at a certain time they don't want to follow any rules so instead of following any rules these people in maine specifically

portland maine are sleeping on the frozen ground on um like crates and stuff to keep off the floor and if we keep that's the thing though like everything comes back to economics which is exactly what you're laying out and you know you ever seen the memes of like the boomers dancing in the retirement home and it says boomers when they spent 20 grand on a house and just sold it for four million right so we started this inflationary path if if you will, years and years and years ago, decades ago. And it just keeps moving like that, like a V. And so everything's math, like with it, mathematically speaking, you're going to have more and more people falling so far below the Mendoza scale that they're going to suddenly turn to things like this because if there's one thing the

the pandemic should have taught us as far as like about ourselves like our flaws we will adapt to shit quickly right so people you know you might say to someone right now like oh could you imagine being homeless in 10 years and they'll be like oh my god no maybe 10 years from now they're in that situation I mean this guy seems like you said he's not strung out he's fairly normal he's living his life and like he almost seems slightly happy doing that yeah the other oh my god speaking of that um on the west side of oahu in hawaii there is a you did a video homeless encampment or house they like to be called houseless they think it's more respectful because like this is my home.

What about the unhoused? Is that? Yeah, I don't buy into all the semantics like that. It just seems like you're policing my speech too much. But it's called a – I'm definitely – It's like the fifth or sixth one unless you just go down. Yeah, one down, one on the left. It's right there.

It's like Pu'uona. It's beautiful. From the lush mountaintops to the Christmas tree. I think with the rundown before. Oh, yeah, yeah. Pause it. Yeah, so it's a homeless camp on the west side of Oahu, and over 200 people live there, over half of which work full-time just to provide resources for the community.

And there's about 30 or 40 children that live there that go to school. They have a pantry where the people of the community provide food so people can go eat there. They have school supplies. They have clothes for people that need it. And anyone can go and live there in Hawaii. And it's ran by a matriarch named Twinkle Borge, who's been living there for over 25 years. And she could have left years ago,

but she just wants to stay there and care for the people because the average house in Hawaii is 1.15 million. Oh, yeah. So let's say you were born in Hawaii and you don't want to leave. What are you going to – you have to leave. Unless you're rich, you have to leave. Now, there are worse places to be homeless though. It's great.

And the reason I brought these people up is because they're all so happy. Yeah. They were all so happy and I had such a good time with them. And I was like, dang, this really makes you rethink your perspective on homelessness. Because you think bums, you think losers. These people work full time. Right. Just to provide for their community, just to live in a tent.

Because, I mean, man, if you're making... But it's a community. It's a community. And they stick together. And they got funding. And they are building a tiny home village right next to where this community is. All right. I want to see this. This is different. I want to see this. Everyone views Hawaii as a land of paradise. But for many residents of the island, things are getting dark.

Hawaii has the third highest rate of homelessness in America, and it appears things are only getting worse. For years, property costs have been skyrocketing in Hawaii. And on the island of Oahu, where our episode takes place today, the median cost of a single-family home rose from $789,000 to $1.15 million in the last three years. Three years. All homes sold in 2021 were purchased by people who don't even live on the island, and they routinely bid well above the listing price without ever seeing the property in person. Bunch of billionaires building bunkers. This has resulted in Hawaii's population declining every year for the past five years.

But for those who don't want to leave their homeland, how do you survive? Well, for many, homelessness is the only option. This is the Waianae Boat Harbor in Hawaii. Over 200 people live in this makeshift village, including nearly 50 children. And over half of the people that live here work full-time just to provide resources for the rest of the residents. I visited this tropical encampment on the west side of Oahu to experience Hawaii's housing crisis firsthand. I love your graphics, dude.

Shout out to Tristius and Alex Arsoza. So I'm here with... Twinkle Boy, leader of Pohonua, Hawaii 9. Oh, this is her encampment. This is one of the largest houseless encampments that is located on the leeward side of Oahu. Twinkle Boards came to the Waianae Boat Harbor in 2003 after having lost her home. And after years of living here, she began to be known as the leader of the area. She made it her mission to turn the village into a refuge where people could heal from financial disaster, addiction, depression, and any other health problem.

She has built it up into what could possibly be the best example of a community-run houseless village. And like any good community, there are rules. No stealing, respect your neighbors, no noise after 10, security comes on at 10. Each person do have their own fire extinguishers. We do have our own safety systems here. The rules come with a three-strike policy, and if anyone is found to have violated them three times, they are evicted from the community permanently. It's important to maintain a safe and peaceful environment, especially for the children that live there. I remember when this place only had seven people. Now I have 175. Yeah, with that 175, I also have kids from newborn to 17. Have you guys ever heard of anything like that?

No. It's fascinating, right? Yeah, we're going to talk about this. This is really fascinating. This is one of my mom and dad's favorite episodes I've ever done. Yeah, I have not seen this video, but when we're off camera, I'm definitely going to be watching this entire thing, but I want to see a little bit more.

Everybody should be at home especially kids. I will do anything and whatever I need to do To make sure these kids are well taken care of The growing children of the village have unlimited access to the community pantry as well as the donation They have a storage area for books a clothing area organized by size and the pantry has its own food, dishes, hygiene items, and set of rules. No stealing, no selling of any donations. Residents are allowed to come in once a week. If anyone is caught selling any donations, they will be banned for good. Always appreciate everything you have. Pretty good rules right there. Are these donation bags that are being made?

Yeah, these are actually hygiene bags. Hygiene bags. donation bags that are being made yeah these are actually hygiene bags hygiene bags wait you got toothbrush toothpaste toilet paper mask covid test um shampoo conditioner body wash pretty much everything you need what do you think the biggest misconception about homelessness in hawaii is people don't understand us they automatically judge you because of how you live and that's wrong there are some that you know choose to be that way but there are others that actually are working hard and trying to make ends meet and still can't do it next we got an inside look into all right let's pause it people you're gonna have to go watch the full video on the

channel what was your takeaway from this after you left there did you view this as a problem or an actual interesting solution or neither i think this is uh the most viable solution to homelessness that i've ever encountered um not necessarily the the tent situation that they have set up that is like very good but the they have funding now to actually have a tiny home village if you can you scroll to the end of of the video i think there's like a a graphic uh that shows i like promoted their gofundme um but yeah the link to their gofundme thank you yeah go ahead so they've acquired however many acres of land and they are going to actually build like cheap affordable homes for all these people

to continue this community that they've built up now just you know in better homes and i don't know if that's possible all around america because this seems like a bit of a rare thing like i think twinkle's an incredible person that set this up but i mean seems like one of the best solutions that i've came across i know they tried to set up tiny home communities in california and like the governments came like bulldoze them i've heard of that happening the interesting part about this is that there's a there's some sort of monoculture there right because these are native hawaiians and i'm i'm really there i have a lot of thoughts on this this is this is this is really fascinating and also when i see a video like this this is when how i don't understand how you don't have like five six million subs already this is this is incredible work but these people are a community meaning you know we throw that word around but they look out for the well-being of each other if if they are all not

well nobody's well in a way and you get kicked out if you're someone holding that back meaning their standards right part of the problem and i'm not ripping homeless people around america doing this but i'm saying like a general part of our society is we've created in my opinion a little bit of an island society where people are of course looking out for yourself which is what human beings have done throughout history but they're also then not looking out for anyone else we we have taken away standards in parts of society just do whatever the fuck you want no one will hate on you because oh don't make fun of them that's mean yeah right these guys they're like listen we're setting up a community with a clear goal in mind too if we run this community well and build our tribe well hold that thought for a second build our tribe well we're going to improve our way of living

to a point where technically we're also not homeless anymore and we have a real community you ever read the book tribe by sebastian younger i should i haven't it's fucking good and it's easy it's like it's it's a quick read but i I don't know what – if he thought this, but I could tell you my takeaway from it. He writes about human beings existing in tribes like throughout history and what it is. good parts of radical libertarianism and radical socialism to where the tribes that he wrote about throughout time would all want individual success in what they did for the collective goal of everyone else. The problem is once a tribe gets above a certain size, mathematically speaking, it becomes impossible to not fall into one of those two lanes the wrong way but i look at this how many people did you say approximately live in that 175 yeah 175 to 220 ranges okay so i might start to get worried if it got up to like a thousand or

something like that there is like a mathematical number that's been studied before i forget what it is but like in this kind of size with that kind of, again, tribe, this is pretty cool. Yeah, very cool. And I haven't seen anything like it. And I'm sure there are maybe other instances like it, but I would love to learn about it. And yeah, like having affordable housing is so important. And obviously, I don't 100% know if what i'm about to say is dumb or not but um like it seems like things like section 8 housing are these uh housing things that you have to be

make a certain amount of money to get into it's almost decentivize you to make more money because right so so if i don't have to pay 200 a month for rent because i live in section 8 housing and i get food stamps then if i do make more money and I get a raise in my job and I'm making $50,000 a year now, now I just lost my food stamps and I just lost my affordable housing. So I might even be making less money than I would be if I had stayed poor. So, and I don't, I don't have the answer to the solution, but it's just a really interesting thing that I think about sometimes. It's like, I feel like there should be affordable housing somewhere that you don't have to make a certain amount of money to afford and that might be dumb you know what i'm saying i know exactly what you're saying it's like the

same thing with the welfare system it's like the welfare system was like oh yeah if you're a single parent and i know i get why they did it but it's like if you're a single parent the ancillary effect is now um incentivizing people to get divorced or to not be married or to have more kids so you get more money and um i'm sure that's not why they made it that way but that is what's happening and uh it's just really interesting to think about god i wish i was smarter me too man i mean but these are those situations where i never i also never have an answer for you because it's like i don't want to be a society that says, yo, fuck everyone else. You know, if someone legitimately has a problem too bad, that's their problem. But I also don't want to be one that sets up the opium drug of everything has

a solution to it so that you just, you know, in that case, go to daddy government for absolutely everything in your life and then get stuck on that, right? Because then you keep getting that opportunity. It's very hard in large groups for a bunch of individuals to, on a larger scale than not, decide, I'm going to get off this. I'm going to stop this. And I don't mean to play to the worst angels of human nature, but statistically speaking, that is what it is. And you see it up close where you see some of these communities

where that's kind of what happened. And now people, it's a generational cycle. Yeah, and I think one of the benefits of my content is I get to offer perspective, shine a light on things, and humanize people, right? People can insult me all they want saying, well, you don't have a solution. You're just monetizing off them. You're doing this, you're doing that. But everyone that's criticizing me, they don't have a solution either

and they're not doing anything either. So I feel like at least offering perspective is good. And I am hungry for answers and I would love to have conversations with anyone that wants to have a conversation about it. But if you really think about what you value in life and what matters, like community has got to be like one of the most important things. If I gave you a billion dollars but isolated you in your life, would you be happy? No. If I gave you a great community and $100,000 or $50,000 a year, you'd probably be a lot more happy. Yes.

To me, that's why I bought a home right by my mom. That's why I want to stay around my family, people I because community is everything I could easily with my channel be like oh yeah I'm moving to LA and I'm gonna do everything I can I'm David Dobrik but I mean I'll give up my youtube channel tomorrow if it meant I could stay around my mom and my dad and my brother that's awesome man so it's important thing in life and that's like I think what's so great about the wine I boat harbor is they do have a strong community. They do care for each other and have each other's back.

And that's also one of the best things that people that get out of addiction find is they find these communities, these sober living homes, these AA meetings. And we all need community and no one can do it alone. But when you're on the other extreme too, like you'll go to places like this and that one's actually a good example, but you may go to that guy in Austin, Texas who feels forced to live homeless or you may go to Kensington. Or Skid Row. Put a pin in Skid Row. We'll come back to that for sure. But you see the people living on the lowest of the low and then you'll do content where – what was it called? Fighting with rich people at Harvard or something like called like fighting with rich people at harvard or something like that right right can we can we pull that up a lot like you'll go to the privileged end of society and see all the maybe entitlement issues that they have and it's almost like you're seeing on one hand, on one side, it's like survive and live to see tomorrow.

On the other hand, it's like survive and hope you don't have to take enough antidepressants to make it fucking tolerable. But they're both the same problem in a way. Definitely. Right? Yeah. And I'm super – I know some people saw the harassment of people in Harvard and they're like, oh, you're trying to make a statement about privilege and stuff. I just think if I want to troll people, the funniest place to do it

would be Wall Street or Harvard. You know? If I'm going to be annoying. Harassing rich people at Harvard. Check it out. I traveled all the way to boston massachusetts we're at harvard university one of the most expensive colleges on earth a four-year degree here costs 330 000 if you're at wall street or you're at harvard you probably deserve to be hassled just a little bit i believe college is a great thing to do it was a good hundred thousand

dollars well spent it's like investing in a stock that's guaranteed to fall diamond hands visiting or what yeah we have like a museum donor event you call them big purple yeah a thousand dollars can you give our viewers a lesson a hamburger about drip and swag he's rich too he's got a velvet sweater on this was discounted from manor republic for sure the semititic Museum. That's so classic. I know Semitic, you know, doesn't only mean Jewish people, but I think they mean it, you know. You know what they mean.

You go to Harvard? I teach at Harvard. I share in conducting the Harvard Glee Club. It's lovely. It's like a tenor bass choir. You give us some glee right now? We got some real depressed people at home that wish they could get into Harvard. No free lessons for the brokies. No, I mean, glee right now we got some real depressed people at home wish they could get into harvard uh no no free lessons for the brokies no i mean glee is just like remember who

you are like i wake up and want to die most mornings people do i think like just recognize that like you are breathing you are alive you ever want to kill yourself what is this being filmed for what are you running from everyone's so friendly here can i have a hundred dollars uh i don't know what this two earrings are better than one or no what's the best way to get high smoking is still the best method of consumption have you ever got rick sim Simpson's oil and shot it up in your arm? No, because that's not how it works. Intervenous weed? Do not ever, ever shoot up Rick Simpson oil.

Maybe... Yes. Right up the ass? Shoot it up, yeah. Right in the butt, right? Oh, yeah, yeah, man. Take it right in the fucking ass. Take it...

Okay. I mean, actually, technically, you can actually take Rick Simpson oil that way. And I'm building up the confidence to take the weed in the bum. Howdy, tough guys. In order to buy Perk 30s around here. Sorry, I don't know what that is. I'm trying to score. Are you down with the sickness?

Sickness? I'm going to get up early down with the sickness. I'm sorry, I'm a lonely guy. Yeah, I'm sorry. Want to hang out the rest of the day, me and you? Just a party? Drink a couple? I'm not the type of person to drink. I have a lonely guy. I'm sorry. Want to hang out the rest of the day, me and you? Just a party? Drink a couple? I'm not the type of person to drink.

I have a very, very low threshold. Oh, drink some soda. Some pop. No, we have either place. Is it because I look broke? No, you don't look like a broken old. Come on. You just seem like you live a very superior life.

Superior? Yeah. Noble life. Finally, someone gets me. Thank you, guys. All right, pause it. You look like you live a superior life superior yeah noble life finally someone gets me thank you guys dude you're fucking you're you're on the spot like just like where did you get that from uh i have no idea if i have to write down stuff and think about stuff i'm terrible like that's why i can't do sketch stuff but if i just have the freedom to say what comes to my dumb brain it typically turns out pretty good i think it's so i think it's the freedom to say what comes to my dumb brain, typically it turns out pretty good.

I think it's so funny to say, like meeting a stranger, do you want to hang out the rest of the day? Just me and you. You live superior life. Yeah, superior. But yeah, I don't know. I like doing improv. Bro, I've hung out with YouTubers and they've tried to get me to do sketch stuff. I don't know if you know Churdleys, Blake Rozier, Sir Spence, those guys.

I love them. They're awesome. Sir Spence? They're really funny sketch comedy people. But man, I'm bad. If you give me lines, I get so uncomfortable and nervous. It's a different... It's a whole different ballgame.

It's terrible. Bro, I never wanted to be on camera camera and i always have been so camera shy and so nervous about um performing if you will yeah so when i get to do improv it's like i don't even think about it i'm just talking and chilling like we're doing now uh so it's a little bit of a medicine that way like you have to be in it versus like trying to recall yeah so this is actually interesting thing when i was a junior in high school um there's something called the carroll county career and tech center that is like a an alternative school you can go to like pursue whatever carpentry filming animation cosmetology and i went there

for video production and because i was like oh i love i love filming and i want to learn how to edit and the first project was you had to do a music video for your favorite song but you had to be in it and they would not let me not be in it and that was a deal breaker I dropped out I was so you were really not so uncomfortable being on camera that I dropped out of the Carroll County Career and Tech Center because they had made me be on camera and then I switched over to print production and drew comics and then eventually leave your job to go on camera yeah crazy it's crazy how life works man it definitely is i'm not the best guy to talk to about like stand-up comedy per se because i other than some clips on social media i've never watched a ton of it so i can't tell

you you know like obviously i know like dave chappelle is like incredible i'll watch his stuff and some of the greats but like as far as across comedy, I can't tell you which ones are the best right now and things like that. But I have heard from people who are big fans of stand-up and talk about it that some of these guys, without naming names, who have amazing comedy podcasts where it's just funny and raunchy the whole time. They're actually kind of more middling comics when they're on stage.unchy the whole time they're actually like kind of more middling comics when they're on stage like they're funny but they're not amazing and i think that's just because like it is one or the other there's people who can just kind of flow and do things off the cuff and then there's people who can maybe they could do that but they can really plot out everything perfectly and and write things and land them.

And that's kind of fascinating to me that that's the case. So you're obviously someone who flows a lot better. My whole life, one of my biggest fears was getting up in school to do a school project. Like terrifying. My face would get so red, I would shake. How'd you deal with it? I ended up just preparing less and like winging it more and then it like forced me to be more free but like if i had it really planned out it would

always be a disaster but the thing that you just said about comics um this is again in no way to be rude i'm a massive fan theo vaughn his stand-up to me is you know it's pretty good but i don't love it his podcast is like the freaking funniest thing i've ever seen like it's pretty good but i you know i don't love it his podcast is like the freaking funniest thing i've ever seen like it's like absolutely hilarious and there's several people like that you know chris delia prior to him going through whatever he went through yeah i didn't really like his stand-up but i thought his um podcast was hilarious theo has has like that sit there face where he just lets it percolate for a minute and then just starts firing. And you know it's just like he's working with the room around him.

And there's just something that's so natural. I mean, I think as far as a comedy podcast goes, I don't know that it gets better than that. It's probably my favorite. It's so good. Tim Dillon's another dude. You put him in a room and just get him talking with those sunglasses on.'s a machine i think that guy lives near me doesn't he live in like west virginia or maryland tim yeah tim pool oh tim pool no no i'm talking about tim dylan oh shit i think tim pool does live in like the boonies like out somewhere out there my brain just glitched

i apologize yeah yeah no tim dylan's the the the long island fat gay guy yeah yeah yeah he's like when he gets going it's just it's incredible and he's just working with the room around him i love that how about shane gillis shane's really funny bro that guy and he and honestly he's to me his stand up is really really funny too yeah i've heard his stand-ups great yeah like man i think he's one of the the best out right now yeah honestly there's a guy who dodged a real bullet not getting on you know when he got like taking off snl right away because like you look at you when you hear him talk and you see how his comedy is so built for the new era because he talks about whatever the he wants to

like you're so bunched in on snL, on, you know, cable TV. Didn't they cancel him for making, like, an Asian joke, wasn't it? Yeah, they rolled tape. Like, it was on a podcast, I think. I think it was from his, the earliest podcast he was doing with McCusker, I want to say, but correct me if I'm wrong in the comments. But he, it was a few things in there they were just riffing being ridiculous being comedians but it's not cable tv comedy so you know it can be twisted in turn and that's what they did and now you know obviously they know they made a mistake

they just had them host it a couple months ago whatever it was yeah you know that's a great great uh case right there of like if you want to make something happen you know make it happen that's right no matter what that's right and it also it's it's cool to see like if you're someone who's gotten such a big platform like joe rogan you know it's nice when he can use that to to help put forth like talent like that and give that a bigger light because i think that was a huge help like obviously shane is funny and has earned his way but i think it was also a huge help to be able to have joe be like yo this motherfucker's funny they should never fired him listen to him you know you know what's interesting about uh shane gillis one of his favorite comedians ever

sam hyde really yeah shane actually followed me on on Twitter when I first hung out with Sam. Hit me up, Shane. Yeah. I got to see you. Can you imagine though? Like I would, bro,

I would love to just hang with him and just shoot the shit for a freaking hour. That'd be such a good video. Oh yeah. And you know, be similar to what you did with, but in a different way with, with that Mexican OT.

What a guy, bro. Did you talk with Tommy about him at all? I have. Yeah. I, I, i it's it's funny on lifeworks i had seen him pop up on flagrant and listen to some of that and then he popped up on rogue and i listened to some of that i like this guy so much i started banging his music i'm like this shit's fire and then tommy walks in here he's like oh uh you know mexican ot i'm i'm really good friends with him uh what do you want to talk with him like fuck yeah i want to talk with that guy bro he like, fuck yeah, I want to talk with that guy.

Bro, he's such a good dude. He will hit me up to check on me. His dad will hit me up to check on me. They're so genuine. For how big he is, he's a huge deal. He is so genuine. I don't matter in the scheme of things. He's way bigger than me.

He doesn't need to be as nice as he is. He is so kind, so authentic and genuine. And you feel it right when you meet him he's not putting on anything right like you know there's some people that as soon as you meet him you're like this guy is like off or he's weird he seems like he's putting on like the mexican ot is one of the most authentic people i've ever met and such a good rapper oh my god dude he's incredible like he's and and you like it's one of those guys he comes on you know it's, it's him. Yeah. You're like, all right. Vibe change.

Bro, to speak to what kind of person he is, is like his, like one of his best friends when he got into rap, not when he got into it, but when he, when he really started making waves was this guy named Droddy. Big shout out to Droddy. Amazing guy as well. He's on the Johnny Dang song with him and Paul Wall. And the label tried to force Bad Mexican OT to take Droddy off of Johnny Dang. Yes, they do.

And he said no. He refused. And then, yeah, the rest is history of what is a gold or platinum record. And I just love people who stay loyal to their people. Yes, I love that too. You know? I love that. Side note real quick because it just makes me think about it a little bit.

But I get nervous about that too in the record game because it's such a dirty business with these things so some of my guys were really tight with fetty wop and remy boy monty and them if you remember when fetty wop came up in 2015 that was one of the greatest come-ups in the history of music it was huge hit after hit dude it was he had four songs in the top 10 at one time i think three of them were in the top five yeah who does that right it was insane and he had such he was unique as well like it was different you're like whoa like no one had done shit like that and in his initial album also called fetty wop he made that distinction as well he He only let Remy Boy Monty and another guy, M80, his boy on that. And he got blackballed for that. So what I'm, what I, I love that. I love that

loyalty, but it, there, that whole story, like I was around that a little bit with, not with Fetty, but with like Remy Boy Monty and stuff, like what happened to them is is a disgrace but i worry about that with guys who may be like the mech that mexican ot who's like he he exudes realness right you can smell that shit and like i hope he continues to do those things and also in this new era of being able to use youtube and things like that charts his own brand so you know the gatekeepers if you will don't fuck them over. Yeah. No, if the people on the record label get to OT,

that's going to be insane. But he has such a good team around him, you know, and just like the Houston culture with like the Prince family and all these people. And I know Johnny Shipes is on OT side and, you know, DJ Scales, his DJ. I mean, I just see them just steamrolling ahead, really. How'd you get connected with him?

So there's a guy by the name of Mike Mills that runs the Houston Closet, the store above Johnny Dang's store. And I think I was just in there shopping and that Mexican OT came in. And then I started talking to him and we hit it off. And then he's like, all right, let's make a video. Yeah, but it's definitely thanks. I believe that's how it happened but um i wanted to make a video and it kind of just happened because my freaking camera guy and editor mustafa went to the gym in austin with that mexican ot's dad so it was just a weird thing but it ended up happening uh definitely

thanks to mike mills of the closet gotcha so that was i think that was like on camera when you did that. Go to videos. Just. Yeah. You got to leave the top. You're on screen. Watch Mad Men, dude. I hit that video. This is the one with Max. Hey, gang. This episode is sponsored by Delta Munchies, the best Delta company around.

Have you seen this? This is what I was talking about. Holding a chicken. You on the ladder. His name is that Mexican OT. And the moment I heard his hit single Johnny Dang. This is what I was talking about. You on the ladder and shit. By a stroke of luck, I met the rapper in Houston, Texas, and ended up spending four days with him filming this episode, joining him on stage at his album release party,

pouring up drank in the studio, traveling to his hometown of Bay City, and even meeting his dad and grandfather. They age restricted this video. They did? For the part. If you guys want to take a look at the fit right now, I got the Coogee on. This is the most expensive outfit I've ever bought. Courtesy of Auditore right here. He peer pressured me into getting this.

It's literally $500. The little part, yeah. So if you guys want to get some fresh drip like I have on right now, go ahead and shop at BuckinghamShop.com and get a headband. I talked to you about this shop to play South. Mike Mills. So good to see you, my brother. It's so nice to finally meet you.

And what a perfect time, because right now I want to introduce you to that Mexican OT upstairs right now. Oh, he's here right now? You want to go upstairs? Yeah, let's go. How you feeling? Man, I can't complain. Ch? Right now, you wanna go, Stairs? Yeah, let's get it, let's go. Yeah. How you doing, baby? How you feeling? Man, I can't complain.

Chilling, breathing, you know? Shopping here at the closet right now. Hell yeah, came to fuck with my doggy real quick. If you ain't here, you ain't dripping right. I don't have any bling or anything. I just got headbands, but. Yeah, no, I don't really wear too much bling either. I don't think you need to either, you know what I'm saying?

Like, I feel like the simplicity of some Stilos is what sells, you know what I'm saying? Like, I be having my cowboy hat, my boots, and my grills, my iconic look. I don't need no chains, no fucking braces and shit. My music speak for itself. Are you about to buy any new shoes? I'm about to buy a new pair of shoes. I'm about to buy a new pair of shoes. I'm about to buy a new pair of shoes.

I'm about to buy a new pair of shoes. I'm about to buy a new pair of shoes. I'm about to buy a new pair of shoes. I'm about to buy a new pair of shoes. I'm about to buy a new pair of know what I'm saying? Like I'll be having my cowboy hat, my boots, and my grill is my iconic look. I don't need no chains, no fucking braces and shit. My music speak for itself. Are you about to buy any drip while you're here today? Man, I was thinking about it, dog. I was looking at the S-beats. Come here.

Because the closet has all kinds of gear. You guys got to get hip if you're not hip. This one right here is definitely going to be one of the ones where like if it brought me back into the sneaker hair, it's got to be this one. You remember the Costas? Of course. All right, so yeah, I was skating in them.

Them and the Janowskis when I was skating. You're a skater. Fuck yeah, I was shredding the fuck out them hoes. You gotta have you doing shots. I can't even rollerblade. I feel like people that rollerblade some bad motherfuckers. You can ripstick. Can you?

The ripstick shit? You're an animal. I'm nice on the ripstick, bro. That's what's up. You know the eyeball is the only thing on the human body that doesn't grow? I guess, yeah, old people have biggest shit ears and nose, but their eyes are the same. Shout out Alzheimer's. Yeah. I think it's cool when old people have biggest ears and nose but their eyes are the same shout out alzheimer's yeah so i think it's cool when old people are like making cereal and they're shaking when they pull their milk hey shout out

uh my grandma man she'd be on varsity if there was a parkinson scene that's crazy that's unfortunately true on camera that's a cool moment it is listen to good loyal thoughts you Those are some good loyal thoughts. You're big in the underground? Yeah. Sounds like you're huge in the underground. Is it even underground anymore? It's breaking through. Oh, yeah. I'm going to see you Friday, right? Yeah, fuck.

I got a Lone Star Luchador drop, and it's the project. I'm excited, though. I got a lot of range in that. Friday's my birthday, so I'm going to be getting drugs. I don't really drink. I be on drugs. It's not drugs, yo. All of them.

All of them. I'll just get a bow and fucking throw them all in there. Have like a pot of gumbo. Like cereal. That's crazy. Lucky Charms. Drinking and the pills. That's a cover right there. I want to see that.

How likable is that guy? He's so likable. And his story. Oh my god, bro. When I was talking with Tommy, what we want to do is have him and his dad in for the podcast. You have to. I couldn't figure out why that hadn't happened yet. Oh my God, bro. Like when I was talking with Tommy, what we want to do is have him and his dad in for the podcast. You have to. That's 100%. I couldn't figure out why that hadn't happened yet.

Yeah. No, next time they're in New York for sure. Yeah, absolutely. Bro, if there's anyone that you've ever seen me do a video with that you want me to try to put you in contact with, like I don't keep anything. Oh, dude, thank you. And right back at you. Anyone who's been on this show, I know Tommy and me. I was telling you before, we were already talking about a bunch of people that he's trying to talk to who have been here.

I think that's an awesome thing to be able to do that. And it's nice that you guys are like that too. Yeah. You know, I was – before I did this career, I was really fortunate partially through my last career to have like a pretty amazing Rolodex of people. But I wasn't covered in like content creation ironically. So it's been nice slowly getting to meet some people along the way and so far i've had really good experiences with that yeah people who gatekeep uh things like that just so confusing to me i mean even down to like my own um employees like the last two people that have been filming and editing for me um i've

gotten them a job with turkey tom who's a big youtuber with over a million subscribers who's able to pay him far more than i am and then my last guy um mustafa i just got him a job with jideon so let's go i feel like no matter what uh it is even if it like won't necessarily benefit me in any way or could be conceived as like taking away from my business i just feel like providing people opportunities and doing stuff like that is so important. Because when the YouTube stuff ends and everything comes back to normal,

you're going to be remembered for how you treat people. That's right. So yeah, I don't get the gatekeeping thing. It's very odd. That's a good way to be, man. And it does seem like there are people in this business who are, I mean, just call it what it is, heavily narcissistic. And, you know, they think their shit doesn't stink.

And luckily, I haven't really run into them, but I've heard about, you know, other people who have. And that's a shame, you know, because like you said, the music will end at some point. And you better hope you have a chair. You're going to need some friends with that chair. Yeah. And I think that's one of the reasons that, you know, me and Tommy and G are like best friends. Not only just the wrestling and our values and everything, but like, bro, we've helped each other so much. We just see eye to eye on that kind of thing.

Like Tommy G is how I got on this podcast. Right. Yeah. It's literally happened. Like the other day, he's like, oh, you want to talk with Brandon? I was like, 100%, bro. That's literally everywhere we go, bro. Because there's some like fools that'll be like, oh, Brandon's copying Tommy. Tommy's copying Brandon.

Anytime we ever do a video, the door is open for the other one to do the video because we're friends. We want each other to win. How did you guys initially meet again? I think you might have said that at the beginning of the podcast. We initially met through Instagram. You did not say that. Okay. Yeah.

We initially met through Instagram. I don't know if he reached out to me or I reached out to him but you know we hopped on a call talked hit it off immediately

and then I went out to Milwaukee and we did the sus rapping videos I think the first one we did and then for his channel we did the knockout challenge

the knockout challenge did he ever talk to you about that no we didn't can we pull that up Alessi I did not see that the other night so alessi alessi had found him maybe what is this like a month and a half ago something like that yeah and i hadn't heard of him i started looking at the videos i'm like can we get this guy in here it's like fuck yeah like he's so good but i've been

like binging a bunch of his videos do a part two but he does not disappoint right when you meet him no no no he's he's the man he's one of the nicest people i ever met in my life so the just the um context of this video all right pause it real quick freaking i get to milwaukee and i'm like asking tommy like you know what you know what videos we're gonna do i'm sure we had like a general idea and he was like oh yeah i want to do part two of the knockout challenge and i'm like what is the knockout challenge and he's like we're gonna go give people boxing gloves and we're going to pay them $200 if they can knock us out. But if we take them down, then they don't get any money. And I was like, no, I was like, no, I don't, I don't want to do that. And Tommy's like, right. You're wrestling your whole life.

You'll be fine. And I'm like, well, I've never boxed. Like Tommy has had an MMA fight before this. Like he has more striking experience. Oh, I did not know that. Yeah.mmy has had an mma fight before this like he has more striking experience oh i did not know that yeah tommy's has had has had an mma fight so he was training it like i think like a rufus sport i'm gonna try to catch him slipping next time so yeah he was all gung gung-ho for it he actually had to talk me into it so yeah and you know we did it good all right let's see it big dogs gotta eat You know, the video did good. All right, let's see it. Big dog's got to eat. Big dog's got to eat. Big dog's got to eat.

Welcome to the function where the eyes are on me. I got to get that hat. I like that one. Girl, it's nice to meet you. We'll get off of me. Big dog's got to eat. Does he have that copyrighted? I don't know.

He should. I think you have to skip forward in the video to get to the actual. All right. Yeah, right here. That should be a good one. Oh, they're really going. Oh, he's got nothing. Oh, he's trying to take him down.

Pop the head out. Double. Bang. Oh, right in the side control. Oh, he wants you to finish him. He wants a submission, Tommy. You either tap or you give up, bottom man. Oh, he's good.

Yeah, he's really good. That looked painless. Good shit, though. You have courage because most people don't take the challenge. What we're trying to prove is you can use wrestling and jiu-jitsu to take people down without hurting them and effectively diffuse the situation. Saddle Milwaukee.

Tommy G. Nice to meet you. Tommy G. 1, 2, 3. Big Dog Daddy. Yes, sir. You guys are sick. I appreciate you.

I did too. I got a little unlucky on the second one because the guy was incredibly strong. But yeah, go to the, it should be the peak. It should be the peak thing. Go over more. Oh, yeah, yeah. the peak thing go over more scroll back a little bit a little more I want you to see how disaster

this was like in my mind I was panicking the jab's out there he's throwing the jab oh you're in full wrestling gear. Ooh. Tie up, tie up, tie up.

He's pretty good. Yeah. He's got good low center of gravity. Tie up, tie up, tie up. Toss him, toss him, of gravity. Tie up, tie up, tie up. Toss him, toss him, toss him. Tie up, tie up. Tommy's like, don't die. There you go.

Good, just get control, get control. Are you going to do your signature move? Ooh. Ooh. That was the move? Is that what it's called the spreader well you got me you rocked me

good shit that was fun good shit bro good shit that hurt that hurt makes balls that do stuff like that man

yeah I didn't want to do that yeah Christ that was tough you see how like scared I was of the punches yeah yeah it's not obviously because you're not punching you're trying to take them down but yeah Yeah, I didn't want to do that. Yeah, Christ. That was tough. You see how scared I was of the punches? Yeah, yeah.

It's not, obviously, it's not good. Because you're not punching. You're trying to take them down. Yeah, I was very, very uncomfortable. But yeah, I'm thankful that Tommy got me to do that. And I look forward to never doing that again. All right, hold on. Let's pause for one second.

I got to go to the bathroom. I'm like, I don't own a couch. Yeah, yeah. That's what I always tell people. I live in my mom's house, you know? always tell people. I live in my mom's house. Right, yeah. I was in my parents' house until August 1st last year. I launched this for three and a half years in their house with nothing.

But along that way, I think between our channels on the different things and people reposting stuff on YouTube, it was like we've been viewed like two billion times or something. So people were like, oh, you must like be swimming in it. I'm like, send me money. Yeah, please. Give it to me. Definitely. But anyway, we're back on now.

Someone had said to me, my buddy Chris Jessopini is a huge fan of yours. He was actually going to be here today. But he's like an unbelievable – I call him like the YouTube god. He's been producing other people's like big creators creators channels for like since he was 16 years old. So the last 12, 13 years. And he was a big fan not only of your edits but also like the way you go about making the content. Similar to what we were talking about today. But he had told me last night when I was on the phone with you or with him that you were in D.C. on January 6thth and documented some of this i hadn't seen any of this

stuff is is it still available on youtube yeah it's still available can we pull that up it definitely might limit the views of this video though i swear they shadow ban january stuff all right i feel like even saying january in the video they're like we'll get it well i mean we've done that but we won't play the video but just pull up where it is if you're not worried about it let's run it. Yeah. How did you, did you, because I guess he announced that a couple of days before that he was going to do like the speech and whatever. Isn't that funny?

Did you just like make plans like, oh, some shit's going to go? Did you have any idea that something was going to go down? I thought I was going to make a video interviewing Antifa and interviewing Trump supporters, asking them similar questions and then kind of, you know, showing the dichotomy of the two i think i thought i was gonna do something like that and then i get to dc at like eight or nine a.m on the sixth yeah on january so i was there all day and then um the video did not go as planned so where where we're not gonna pull it up but like where where were you like did how close to the capital did you get right up on the steps right there i i could have gone inside for sure if i wanted to now you're

how would that have worked you're a documentarian if if you're they would have arrested me they would arrest me i'm probably in jail right now 100 have you been questioned yeah the fbi contacted me officer john craneck thinking i was to give up information or like I had information, which I didn't. But yeah, they contacted me and I believe they told me they were going to subpoena my footage if I didn't meet with them. So I just met with them and I actually turned it into a video called I Became a Private Investigator. So I met with this guy and then I kind of was just like trolling him and saying I wanted to join the FBI. And then I spun that into a video where I was just going around my hometown being like, you know, like, where's Nathan?

Or like, just silly stuff. But yeah. Yeah, I don't know if I can, what I can say. I definitely would not be the kind of person that would want to cooperate with the FBI. But also in the situation of January, I had no information whatsoever. So I figured. How fast did that happen? Like, how fast did it get from he's talking on stage to people are like let's go to the capitol um quickly he finished his speech and then by the time I got to the capitol

it was going what was that like I didn't know it was such a big deal that might sound stupid but uh I was there all day at no point was I afraid or felt in danger or felt like it was the crazy stuff that I saw was like I interviewed a guy who got shot in his face with a rubber bullet and he had a big hole in his cheek or like a hole in his cheek yeah it's on YouTube so this video has been taken down and reinstated twice yeah they literally gave me a strike on my extended cut channel for posting the extended cut of this whoa but i think i have some of the best footage on the internet of january 6th i was all day i was there all day coincidentally i filmed all day and i captured that it was a more diverse crowd than the news would show you that people were not as uh psychotic as you would think or at least from my perspective and like i

said after spending the whole day of january 6th it wasn't until i got home and saw the news that i realized like whoa you this was a big deal whoa so even when it's going on you didn't realize it was like actually something there were bleachers set up outside of the capitol building and they said that was for a a speech that was going to happen the next week. Apparently that's normal. But to me, I'm like, oh, this seems like a setup thing. Like we're like Trump just gave a speech and now we're here. And yeah, I mean, I watched people just walk in to the Capitol building. So. Yeah. I mean, there's some of the footage of like, because the cops were understaffed, like they're literally opening up gates and letting people in you know that that's what's so confusing about it i mean i never had any sympathy for trump about it because to me it was like you were stupid enough to schedule this which was pointless you knew that

the only thing that could happen is something could go wrong and it did but like it got excessive with how with how much you know they tried to make it like the people were were totally storming everything like there were some people who were but then there's also people who literally like what was his name the fucking shaman like he's like being escorted around by the cop like because the cop's like well i'm not gonna fight him yeah you know which isn't good but like it's not you know they're not burning the fucking what was that building in germany the reichstag or what it's not like that yeah they were walking like in the like little lines like they had the red whatever the fuck they're called you know i'm talking about right yeah i don't know it was all very what very odd yeah

the shaman guy like walked behind me in one of the shots i even i didn't didn't realize it was gonna be uh as crazy as it was but yeah this video was actually a really big deal for my um career you know like i want i think when i posted this video i want to say i had like 10 000 subscribers or something and that and exploded it yeah it's definitely shadow banned on youtube but it went viral on facebook people sharing the link so that's like like the views on it are like all like external like you can see in the analytics like external external youtube's definitely hiding this but yet all these news organizations that weren't even there or that's filmed from way back and didn't even talk to anybody they have millions

and millions and millions of views i was always like bro if this wasn't rigged that video would have 10 million views because it was the biggest news story they still talk about it to this day oh it's our generation's 9-11 really i've been to freaking um like dude i went to a nilk meetup that was scarier than this like i've been to concerts that were scarier than this you went to a nilk meetup that was scarier than that yeah what do you mean you know the youtube group yeah nilk boys yeah they're freaking launching glass bottles blasted my friend in the face with a full can of fucking beer. Where was this? Getting into fights in Dallas.

When? A few months after January 6th. So it's like a fan meetup? Yeah, it was a fan meetup that went just insane. It was way scarier than January 6th. I'm not trying to pander to anyone. I'm just being honest. I can't believe the way they talk about this nowadays yeah the

9-11 thing was always ridiculous that was fucking crazy i'm like i'm not the bravest most like hard body dude i get i get scared i get rattled in big crowds and stuff i i mean i was relatively like calm like i only started getting like nervous when they started like gassing us and stuff and also i this is really interesting so as soon as they made an attempt to clear the area with the gas it was like 10 minutes and everyone was gone so i always wondered like why didn't they do that from the beginning why didn't they just gas everybody out in the beginning yeah the cops were really left in a bad position because there weren't there weren't enough of them you know they should have done something like that from the beginning like i said what were they going to do shoot back at them

there's thousands of people you know they're going to get over when we saw that they're going to get overrun yeah but yeah they've given me strikes on youtube for this video they've taken deleted my entire tick tock account for this video and i was just trying to document are you back on tiktok now um allegedly allegedly yeah oh right all right i don't run my tiktok but yeah i actually it's kind of crazy i have two people that have been able to make like a thousand to two thousand dollars a month just from clipping my content oh shit from letting fans do it yeah so i just say clip it and um whatever money you make you can keep so yeah we we might want to look at that yeah but it's really annoying because like tiktok is now like i had to my the guy that built my tiktok up

they kept hitting him for unoriginal content unoriginal content and i'm like bro this is like i gave you permission i don't understand so i actually had to go and like verify my identity for him to give permission and they still are hitting me with unoriginal content it's so weird oh so they know it's you and youtube is the same thing my main youtube clipper they just demonetized their entire channel saying that oh this is reposted content and i had to like link it to my adsense and verify my identity and it's like it's just weird yeah he had before he was working with me alessi here he had started like a little fan page on YouTube and actually like built it. It was really impressive. And so when he came here, we were bringing it under the umbrella and that was brutal. Like figuring all that out, like convincing them. I, even today, like I don't touch it because it's not,

it's listed under all the channels. I'm on on it we get paid on the AdSense for it but like I'm on it but I'm not on it and I'm just like all right if we get paid this month all right good they make it they make it too weird but yeah I mean can I ask you like what are your thoughts on January 6 like do I have a nuanced opinion on I think I think it was a terrible idea by Trump to do it I think that you know I in all honesty and terrible idea by Trump to do it. I think that, you know, in all honesty, and you'd be able to say this better than I can, it wasn't our best and brightest going there that day.

I agree. To say that they represent 77 million people who voted for the guy, though, is just intellectually dishonest at best and criminal at worst, to say. And it's inexcusable to go in there. But again, do I think it was like burning the Reichstag? Absolutely not. And from everything I've heard from it and from some of the video you see, like it was, it was designed to fail. It was designed for people to, you know, suddenly be able to to walk into the Capitol, which is really an indictment on our political system, if anything. So I feel like the day was just a sad day all around for people, but I'm not sitting – like when they would say on like the anniversary like our modern 9-11, it made me want to stab out my eyeballs with an ice pick. Like 9-11 was a mile

away from here and i was very little when that happened it's one of my first things i can really remember but like we knew people who died in those towers all right that's some different shit you know you want to sit here and talk about 3 000 people versus like three or four people whatever it was who died i i can't help you and like i think what was it a couple cops died afterwards which was really sad and then one woman they they were like that was the thing though they were complaining like the people who were there were complaining that like someone who had stormed the capital had died i forget her name but like she was actually like trying to get through the windows and shit and a cop shot her and like like I got to be honest with you.

I have zero sympathy for that. And I'm sorry she died and I don't want to see that. But, you know, I'll never forget. I got a text that day while it was happening from a friend of mine who is – he's been in the military for 20-some years and is like a really conservative guy too. And he was like, look, man, you know know the world i grew up in it was simple you you break into the capital you get shot that's what it is now as you've laid out wasn't quite that simple there weren't people like breaking in in many different spots there and that's where i think the media has been, I mean, dishonest in some ways for sure. And the fact that like we have independent journalists who were there to capture that and that's not being covered annoys me.

Yeah, it's frustrating. And I think it's really telling that, you know, I ended up there coincidentally and I could have been in the Capitol building just by chance. You know, I wasn't trying to do an insurrection. I could have walked in and I would be in jail right now. Do you think you'd be in jail or would you be able to say you're a journalist because you had camera equipment and you were capturing what was happening? I think I would be in jail. I think you might be too.

If I stepped foot in there, I think I would be in jail regardless of my perspective. Because at the end of the day, I don't think the police would consider me a journalist because I'm not Fox News or CNN or any of these things How do we define a journalist now? I guess a large corporate backing by the powers that be That's ridiculous. That's a huge problem. It's like Anyone can if you follow the journalistic standards, you know Don't reveal sources if it's off the record or yada, yada, yada. And you're covering stories and reporting on them.

People now have the power in the modern internet age to be a journalist. So, are there like laws written? I mean, there are laws written up protecting journalists, but are there laws written up to say who can be a journalist and who can't? I just was speaking for YouTube. Like, there's things that I could show on YouTube if they classified me as a journalist but i don't me and tommy do not get the designation of journalists on youtube so things that official sources can show like more graphic stuff they can get monetized and put that on youtube but we can't they can get monetized yeah but we can't because we don't have that we're not journalists according per you oh wait i didn't

know this so youtube has to declare you a journalist? Yeah, because you have like – their guidelines are so vague, right? But in the TOS, it's like if you – if it's for like journalistic or artistic purposes, right? But then whenever we talk to YouTube, it's like, oh, but you guys aren't actually journalists. That is true. Isn't that insane? That's strange. Yeah, it's very strange.

And that gets really gray too because again like you'll see some of these mainstream channels you'll the videos are always on the home page they got four million views and you're like who's really watching this they're pushing it right they they get to they get to push what they want and to an extent i understand like you know maybe some channels are getting a lot of views that aren't – forget journalism for a second but just the quality is not there. But because they're more on the internet, they're getting views and then you have proven networks with billions of dollars behind them and they want to make sure they get some premium looking content out there. I get that. When you're using that, talking about YouTube, to then push coverage of things above maybe the same type of coverage of it, perhaps better, that's where it's a constitutional problem. This sounds made up, but it's actually true. YouTube has a different algorithm for mainstream media outlets than it does for us regular YouTubers.

That's right. So we're not actually organically competing against them. They get pushed. That's right. So we're not actually organically competing against them. They get pushed. That's right. They've confirmed that. But as far as what I do, I know I'm doing a decent job because I don't pander to anyone. I don't have anyone in my pockets. And people don't know what box to put me in.

After I did January 6th, people were calling me a far-right white supremacist. They were also calling me a libtard, antifa person. That's good. That's good for youbtard Antifa person. That's good. That's good for you. They don't know. That's good for you. People don't know whether to call me a wannabe hood guy or a racist.

They just don't know where to put me. They don't know if I'm right wing, if I'm left wing, if anything. But I feel like if you have a conversation with me, you could probably get a decent idea of what I'm about. I don't pander to anything. Everything is nuanced. Like when you try to fit yourself into a box, like this ridiculous dichotomy

of are you right wing or left wing? It's just absurd. I mean, in my opinion, neither side wholeheartedly has your best interest in mind. It's more a middle ground. You know what I mean? I agree a thousand percent. It's like, oh, you're sympathetic to homeless people and drug addicts so you're a liberal oh you're pro-gun so you're you're right wing you know like even the topic of abortion like you know i um these are things i typically don't like to talk about but like for abortion if i say that i think abortion um is a bad thing that shouldn't be celebrated, but should be legal. Now I've just pissed everybody off.

That's right. You know, so... You have a similar stance to me on that, for sure. And that's the thing. You can't... I get some of the same attacks. I get called a libtard all the time in the comments, and I think that's totally inaccurate. And then on some things,

like I've been called the other way once in a while too. And I take that as like, okay, that's probably inaccurate and then on some things like i've been called the other way once in a while too and i take that as like okay that's probably a good thing because you're you're you're you're providing enough nuance that the people who don't hear nuance in anything they are just on their stance right wherever it is they hear you as the opposite and so that means like you're at least injecting something good into the conversation. But, you know, you look at like, let's take, for example, Rachel Maddow and Candace Owens. To my knowledge, I believe they both do refer to themselves as journalists. Is that possible to be a journalist if you are also someone in this case, left and right wing, the two cases where you are common, where a large part of your job is completely injecting your opinion into it.

Yeah, I guess I wonder, I mean, is that yellow journalism or what form of journalism is that? I think journalism is such a broad term. It is. it is but um yeah i guess like true journalism shouldn't have any spin on it at all but that's like so almost impossible to be fully non-biased like even if you tried your heart hardest to be non-biased it's impossible to be fully unbiased i agree yeah but no i totally i totally get what you're saying yeah because i i have walter cronkite over there in the top left corner and it should be on the third camera you should be able to see it maybe but you know he he's like the goat obviously was pretty much invented being the anchor in this

country and everything but the one slippery slope with him that i actually agree with him i think he made the right choice it's just where does it go from there? Is that when the Vietnam War was going on, he would do these reports from Vietnam and stuff, and he would talk about the horrors of what this war was doing, and the horrors of the soldiers who were there and didn't want to be there. And it started kind of the trend of the people who are saying, well, it's six o'clock and I'm reporting the news, to injecting their opinions into it, even though I think he was 100% right. You look at that, 20 years or so after that, 25 years after that, you get CNN and Fox and around the same time and it's like now we

have these 24-hour cycles where it then drift they each drifted farther and farther apart and it's like well they offset each other but they also just make they make america americans this this unhappy fighting dichotomy that distracts from a lot of the things that are happening so that you know when they put through a bill that gives funding you know billions of dollars to a bunch of other countries and to for their wars and to also like a bunch of fucking museums that rich people donors to those politicians you know manage while you know the country's in the middle of an economic crisis you're not paying attention to that you're fighting over whether or not you tuck your sack back or not yeah no it's absolute bullshit and the middle class is suffering like it's so hard obviously you know if you're in

poverty it's terrible but the middle class is there's such a big gap especially post-covid with inflation and everything yeah they have us concerned about all these like uh you know racial disputes gender disputes all these things that are so irrelevant. Meanwhile, it's becoming more and more impossible to live in America as a middle-class regular person. And yeah, it's definitely by design. It's rigged. I mean, the interest rates are insane. Life is rigged. So you go to high school, you get into debt in college, you got to pay those interests. So you want to start a business, then you got to get into debt with that. And then you want to buy a house god forbid i mean

it's like seven point something percent interest rate and um you know obviously i'm not the most well read on religion or anything but it says in the bible that usury is a sin usury is like the practice of making money from money aka loans high interest rates i mean i think it's a pretty bad thing and it's obviously really fucking up the the country oh yeah yeah i mean we fight over who's going to be president who's going to be in congress and all that shit the most powerful person in the country is jerome powell chairman of the fed yeah who's an appointed figure if they are actually appointed by the president and then you see when the banks actually shit hits the family with the banks they get bailed out i mean it's so rigged it is so rigged um

but yeah let's i mean we have more important things to to bicker about right well and that's the thing then we pick the important things to bicker about like you look at war that's an important thing to bicker about because no one wants to see war but then that gets used as a distraction now you did i think you did a video from one of these protests over Israel-Palestine, right? Can we pull that up? What protest did you go to? I heard that the largest Palestinian protest in American history was happening in D.C., so I went there to try to film it. And when was this? Oh.

October, November? I can't. My brain is... A month ago. Yeah, not too long ago. But it's funny. Freaking interesting fact about this video. My mic, I got the wrong cord for my mic, so Yeah, not too long ago. But it's funny. I have a freaking interesting fact about this video. My mic, I got the wrong core for my mic,

so all the audio was fucked up. But there's this thing called AI. It's like an AI audio thing that Adobe has, and it saved my whole video. No shit. Shout out to that. Shout out, Adobe. All right, let's play this real quick.

This is what Holocaust is right now. There's over 4,000 kids dead already in Gaza. They died of thirst. Thirst. Can you imagine? Two and a half million people. You can't even give them war or freedom. Now, the whole world is watching, not just the United States. The whole world is watching them die one by one. I'm Jewish. I understand symbolism and rhetoric and argument. Anti-Zionism does not equal anti-Semitism. It's just a part of rhetoric used to try and keep this movement what they'd like to describe as an anti-Semitic movement,

which it's not. We are witnesses to one of the greatest genocides that has taken place in our lifetimes, and our tax dollars support it. And of course we denounce any terrorist activities. Of course we denounce what Hamas did, going in and killing its civilians in Israel. And it's alive dying, like, no matter what, that's not right.

But when you're giving torture and massacres for the last 75 years, targeting children, schools, hospitals, and women, bro, for once, they strike back. Your face is fine. What do you expect them to do? If somebody comes to your house and is letting you try to occupy your house, kick you out of your house, you're not going to fight back? Your face is fine. This shit was chaotic. Hopefully the American government that's been funding this genocide, that we've had enough. And this is hundreds of thousands of people that probably voted for Biden. So hopefully he gets the message.

What do you think about Joe Biden? He gotta go. He's not going to sit alone. He gotta go. I remember Trump, who I didn't believe in. I didn't know. He had nothing but bad behind. He never, I never had no trust in Trump.

But guess what? I knew that. Instead of me voting for fucking Joe Biden, it was my language. He lied to me. I don't know the exact numbers, but there's definitely thousands and thousands of people here. Look at this.

Wow. Why do you think the American government stands with Israel? Because they have been bought by the Israel lobby. So a lot of them have the Israeli money in their pockets. I, as a Jew, do not stand for the dislocation and killing of large amounts of indigenous Palestinians who are also Semitic. Palestinians are a Semitic people, whether they're Jewish, Muslim, or Christian. All right, let's pause it here and people go watch this video on Brandon's channel. This is really interesting journalism because you're getting, like, there's a range of people here.

There's the people, like the stereotypes that we can call crazy who are like, no, Hamas is great. But then you also have the people like, no, fuck that, but like, also fuck this. You know what I mean? Like you're getting people who are Jewish, who are just not Zionist. You're getting people who are native of perhaps Palestine or the area. Right. So that's that's a that's an that's easy and no one wants to see people die but then some of the worst people get the loudest voice to line up on on either side to fight against each other you get the people from israel who are like no we just have a right to defend ourselves at all costs it's all bullshit everything's everything's propaganda from hamas and then you get the people from the other side it might be like you know trans lives matter advocating for hamas where they'd be hung if they fucking showed their face on you know what i mean they don side, it might be like Trans Lives Matter advocating for Hamas, where they'd be hung

if they fucking showed their face on it. You know what I mean? They don't get it. They don't get it. Yeah. No, so the interesting thing about this video is there was this Uhuru people, the Uhuru movement, U-H-U-R-U,

but they were there, I guess, piggybacking off the Palestine protests, and they were demanding reparations from white people. And I tried to interview them and they made me wait for like 45 minutes. And then they told me that they didn't want me to interview them and to put the cameras down. And then they were like harassing me about like being white and the saying I owed reparations or something. And it was just like ridiculous. I was like, well, at least you could talk to me on camera and tell me why I should give you reparations. Right'm open to hearing about it but you know i don't know what makes

people i i know we have our problems everyone does i i still think america is the best country in the world i'm very lucky to live here but like that mentality of things that happen a long time ago and then people just on the basis of where they're born it's like committing the same sin from the other side saying on the basis of where you're born you now have to pay for that right like can't we just fucking get along bro they were calling me a slave owner they were telling me that my family owned slaves let's even let's break down the numbers right if african-americans are 12 of the population and white people are say 60 of the population that means that if every white person tried to own a single slave which is not how it worked then only a fifth of white people would own a

single slave today back then obviously the people that actually were slave owners was probably one to three percent not to say that like the system did not benefit white people and all that i'm not trying to discount the struggle but to act like every white person was a slave owner is insane and you can say well yeah but you still benefited off the system. Fine. But don't call me a slave owner. And I'm lucky enough to know my family history. And I know a lot of the complaints is like, we were separated from that as far as the African-American thing. And I 100% can empathize. But I mean, I have family ties to Carroll County, Maryland since the late 1700s. Oh, wow.

I don't come, nobody in my family came from big money. Nobody for a fact owned slaves in my family. And actually where I'm- Oh, you know this too. 100%. And where I live in Carroll County was actually

fighting on the side of the union because it was right there at the Mason-Dixon line, right? And that's great. None of that should even matter though. Yeah.

It's fucking 2024. I shouldn't even have to, but it's like- You shouldn't have to talk about that. I just, I don't know. And I shouldn't care, but like when people call me like a even have to, but it's like, bro. You shouldn't have to talk about that. I just, I don't know. And I shouldn't care, but like when people call me like a slave owner and stuff, it's like, yeah, it fucking upsets me.

It's a terrible thing to, you know, to look at me that way. A hundred percent. And like, in your case, your family actually was here. I don't have any family on either side that was here like before 1880. Right? Alessi, you definitely don't, right? Dude, half Cuban. Yeah, Cuban and a little Chinese in there yeah like you you know what i mean but like you we could be labeled that yeah we could be labeled on the street like pay reparations but for what

yeah yeah and i don't mean to speak out of turn i'm obviously not the most educated on this stuff but it's just my perspective yeah you know like i was raised by my parents to be respectful to everyone. I was never ingrained with hate towards any group, literally, you know? My mom was like, is born in like the trailer park, like in the Texas, Arkansas area. Like they were not rich. And yeah, I was always taught to be respectful. So it definitely upsets me when people just like, they just like rush to judgment. It's like, oh, you're white. So you're shitty or you're white so you're

shitty or you're racist or you're whatever it's just everyone's lived experiences and it's their perspective i don't mean to judge them but my perspective is like you know that's just not me again it's not like white supremacy is not the number one direct threat to america and also like racism does exist you can say both things at the same time yeah it's nuanced yeah right and it's like it's hard to speak on it and i guess you can tell in my the way i'm talking that i'm trying to be careful because it's like yeah i put it i say something and then they clip it and then they say oh look this guy's a piece of shit when it's like man you're not even trying to hear me out you're not even trying to have the conversation but that's the way america is right now with the media and the sensationalism and

everything and people have such short attention spans and are so stupid not to say they're stupid and i'm smart but they're like people want to look at you and put you in a box immediately. If they can't find out if you're right or you're left, it frustrates them. And they're just like, they're just trying to box you in so quickly. Do you think we're going to come out of that era? I hope so. But I don't know. Is it getting better or is it getting worse?

I actually think at the moment some of it the vitriol is getting worse but i think the general population i think it's getting a little bit better i think people are exhausted i think people are like they don't they're exhausted by all the cancel culture they're exhausted by all the labeling culture. They're exhausted by all the labeling. It still happens. It's still way too pervasive. I'm very concerned about it. But it feels like the last couple years, some people are just like, just let me live, man. You know?

It feels like the people who are yelling at the loudest, it feels like the people who are screaming the loudest that they're good people and that they stand for justice and they stand for humanizing you or humanizing people in general are the quickest to label you a Nazi or a racist or any of these things that are the most dehumanizing terms. There's nothing worse in our society in America right now than being like a racist or a Nazi or homophobic. And you can do anything and they'll call you that. That's right. People call me a freaking Nazi. It's like, come on bro that's just insane they've delegitimized all these words like i'm out here like sig heiling and stuff and like advocating to like it's ridiculous like it's insane you shouldn't even have to talk about it

but you know they they that's a great point you make the people who want to like what's what's the psychological phenomenon where you call people what you are, that you hate about yourself? Right? It's the same thing. That's what they're doing. They're calling people, you're full of hate, you're whatever. Well, what the fuck are you doing? You're just picking out people to point at and say they're full of hate for no reason and you don't even know who they are.

You know, there's no difference there. It doesn't even make sense i mean and people try to call me i already said it but people try to call me a culture vulture they're like oh that's the white boy going into the hood trying to profit off of uh the black struggle it's like a everywhere i go i'm bringing attention and i try to make it you know paint a reality but also show a positive light i promote their music all that they ask you know they asked me to come in there and um what do you want me to just, should I avoid all black people? Like, what's your alternative here? You're telling me I shouldn't go talk to people in the hood or I shouldn't go to talk to black people or it just seems weird.

Like you're insulting me and jump into conclusions, but you're not really offering a counter solution. Like, oh, I'm appropriating black culture because I like hip hop. All right, so let me stop listening to hip hop. That's right. It is the social problem of just wanting to scream about a problem and invent one. Like where's the line between appropriation and appreciation? Yes, I love that line. That's good. Yeah, I don't – the term cultural appropriation, almost every time I see it used, I'm like, what are you talking about?

It takes a rare one for me to be like, okay, all right, that's crazy. I love Pokemon. Am I appropriating Japanese culture? Yes, you are. I love Brazilian jiu-jitsu. Am I appropriating Brazilian culture? You need to stop doing that. It's like we should all be able to appreciate things from different cultures that we enjoy and we should not be so divisive.

Everything is just so incredibly divisive. And if you want to go down the rabbit hole of like who invented what and who did what i mean that's a slippery slope right there if you want to start claiming things it's like oh well we invented jeans if you wear jeans oh we invented basketball if you were like come on that's just why that's so petty doesn't stop you're 100 right yeah where you can't draw the line but like i've talked about this with a ton of people on the podcast because it's it's a core question i think about all the time that challenges me that i hate but my my friend andy bustamante who is allegedly an ex-cia spook did you ever have access to let's say government secrets that were so big that humanity could never find out about it. Humanity is too big of a word.

So I would say I have absolutely had access to secrets that would impact how the American public would respond. What do you mean by that? Meaning the roles that I filled, the operations that I participated in, were operations that were relevant and impactful to Americans. They were relevant and impactful to other countries as well, but never humanity as a whole. But are you ever out of the cia he had a line when i had him in for episode 107 where because he's like very logical like to a fault like he just says well this is what i see

so take it as it is but he's like we need an enemy He said we need an enemy to unify against. And it's not because he wants that. He doesn't. He hates war. He's seen the worst of that. But he's like there's something about humans in large tribes where when they don't have something that is against them that they can all agree on bad, right? They turn in on themselves and so because we are also geographically well located over here we got oceans around us these wars are you know they're across the seas we don't

have to see them right we don't understand what that is we like i i have a line i'm like we've never been invaded and it shows i mean we were invaded 1812 but you get my point right like there's something about us where it's like you know are they gonna have to maybe manufacture some other fucking country to hate that that we then all you know get behind i mean think about that after 9-11 i think maybe it was tommy actually talked about it when when he was in here but after 9-11 like everyone was unified and shit right that we don't ever want something like that but you know what i mean violence dropped all across the nation that's right but it all comes back to human nature right like they say idle hands are the devil's

playground you know what i mean so humans are problem-solving creatures i feel like some of the times i've been the most depressed and struggle with my mental health the most is when i don't have obstacles in my life that i can work towards solving like we have to solve problems if you sit back and you do nothing you're always going to be depressed you know what i mean it's like uh comfort breeds pain pain breeds comfort it's all a cycle and like back to when we're talking about community we need community community is when we get together our human nature comes together and tribalism is formed we're all i mean think about how fired up people get about like oh ravens versus the stealers like it's just our human nature we need to solve problems we need to have an enemy you need to be working towards something so that's like hard times create weak men weak

we are hard you know that you you get what i'm getting at yes so it's the same thing but absolutely it's definitely fascinating and we're so like yeah talk about privilege bro if you live in america it's a privilege and it's a privilege to have these issues like first world issues is a privilege for sure yeah and you understand that and i think part of that is because of the type of content you're doing but like you mentioned it earlier you're also you know you got your house where you grew up now you're near your family you have your priorities in order obviously you spend a lot of time on the road but like you didn't do the la scene and stuff like that and that's what a lot of you know a lot of people in this business they go out there and they do that

have you spent some time out there though specifically and seen what that's like and and realize it's not for you or did you just always kind of know that's not for you yeah well that danny mullen guy that was my second experience going out to oh he was in l.a l.a and that was four days in and i saw how as soon as he like flipped that switch if i wasn't cool anymore it's like damn like it was just very odd it was just very odd how like people started looking at me differently um just because some guy made up some stuff about me so yeah not ellie's not for me but there are there are you know obviously like everywhere there's good people out there but you know the la thing is is insane yeah some of it you know i think there's there's such a separation now between like you know i guess like main street society and like elite society that they're they're kind of in their two perches and

they think the worst about the other at all times but you know sometimes some things are also true parts of that and like you see some of the clubbishness of like hollywood and the cliquishness it's very it's very narcissistic it's very self-aggrandizing, right? And it's not, I think it's, you know, it propels that attention-seeking society for all the wrong reasons. So the people do things for, you know, strictly entertainment purposes and don't think about the social repercussions those things can have yeah it feels like some people in la will like throw you out the window to get a few miles down the road faster it's all about social climate and coming from the wrestling community it's one of the best like martial arts in general some of the best communities you could ever have like there isn't social

climbing in those things like you're really rooting for everyone yeah it's so positive but it's beautiful back on the on the the subject of privilege. Obviously there's, you know, racial privilege and all that, but bro, the biggest privilege I feel like you could ever have is parental privilege. If you follow it across the board, single family households, it's in line with graduation rates and income across the board. You know what I mean? The stronger the family unit, the stronger the children will be and i just like the biggest privilege i've had in my life is having a good mom and a good dad because like bro like i didn't have to pay for my first car they got me a 1200 pt cruiser when i was 16. i would never have afforded that

you know right like how are you going to come up with 1200 when you're making 725 an hour as a kid and they let me live in their house for free after I turned 18. I didn't have to pay any rent at my parents' house until I was like 26, until I started actually making money on YouTube. And I was like, oh, like, you know, mom, like, I think I should be helping you out. So, I mean, it's just like the biggest privilege in the world. I don't care what race you are, bro.

Like having two parents that look out for you is a big deal. And if you look at the number one financially successful ethnic group in America, it's Indian Americans. Family unit. They have a really strong family unit. And they are, I believe like the median household income for Indian Americans is upwards of $140,000, $150,000 a year. And for white people, it's like $70,000. For black people, it's like between $40,000, $150,000 a year. And for white people, it's like $70,000. For black people, it's like between $40,000 and $50,000.

So if the biggest privilege in America is what race you are, then how do you explain Indian Americans killing it so hard? And I know you could say, oh, maybe they're sending the best of their best, but I think it's really about the family unit. And again, if someone thinks I'm ignorant and I'm off about that, I'm totally open to speaking about it. I'm not trying to cast anyone's view aside, but I feel like parental privilege should not be undervalued. I totally agree with what you're saying, man. And I also share a very

similar experience with my parents. I've always said like this podcast never happens without them. They let me move back into their house and have a studio there, right? Like a lot of people don't have that opportunity. A lot of people don't have that opportunity. A lot of people don't have both parents at home, you know, they're divorced, or, you know, in the worst cases, one parent's in prison, or something like that. So yeah, the data doesn't lie. And I think that, I think that we, you know, society needs to be free and people do what they want to do. But there's some level of like some standards when you talk about like the nuclear family and things like that, that if we just emphasize that a little

more, we, that would be good for us. It would, it feels like sometimes it's almost not just de-emphasized, but like discouraged in a way. And that makes me very sad because, you know, I wouldn't have had that childhood. Like I want to have a great wife and family with awesome kids one day. And I think that's going to happen. And like I'll get there. And I feel like I talk to a lot of people now who don't, not a lot of people, but talk to more people than I'd be comfortable saying who that's not like something they want.

Yeah, bro. I mean, I have an amazing girlfriend now but like before her man i feel like i came into contact with a lot of girls that would tell me all right they don't want to have kids and they don't even want to have a family and i do feel like we've been somehow de-incentivized to start families and it's just like the family unit is all broken up but if you click that uh that wikipedia link list of ethnic groups in the United States by household. Oh, yeah. Here we go. And you scroll down. It should be...

Find the one that's for Asian Americans. Indian's one right here. Yeah, yeah. 100, it says on there. Medium household right here. $152,000. That's crazy. Do you want to know how I found...

Second place is 101. and then look at look at a you know but no but actually on your point though look Indian Filipino Iranian these are all like not white people yes it's a scroll up scroll up up right there no up a little more one more I'm sorry right there you can see go to the income on the right and sort of top to bottom. Yeah. Hit the two arrows above that, see that? So right there, you know, African Americans 47,000 and you have white people at 73,000, Asians at 97,000.

It all comes back to the household in my opinion. And of course, if there's another reason, I'd love to be informed. Yeah, I mean, another culture I grew up around, I mean, I'm from Jersey, so everyone is Italian, Irish, or Jewish. But then I also, my best friend from all my life is Greek. He's a dual citizen. And I grew up around the legal Greek mafias. I like to joke, but they're amazing. And the thing about them is they are so close-knit here in everything they do and they have such good family structure that they're all successful. Literally all – like all the ones I know, they all do well. They all – they stick together and then they're also – in American culture, it's not like they just stick together and stay away from people.

That's such a beautiful thing. And I think we could foster that better instead of this teams thing like greeks don't have a teams thing like greeks versus white people it's not like that you know but society pushes the these racial battles and undertones to everything on us and i'm not again i'm not arguing it doesn't happen i agree with you it does but it definitely gets clicks yes that's for sure that's the problem do you know how many people in america would rather put their parents in a retirement home than actually take care of them like how did how has our society like got to this it's insane yeah i feel like it's almost against human nature i mean is that like the new american dream is like

oh make as much money as you can don't raise your kids then when you get old your kids can put you in a retirement home and we're all separated you know it's like weird if you live with your parents that's like become like oh you're a loser it's like no i literally went out of my way to get a house near my mom with acreage so when she wants to retire she could sell her house and then maybe build property on my property that's awesome i want to be near my family because community is everything but back to the house thing so the reason i found out that the indians were making so much money um is because i've been looking for house for over two years i put in between a dozen and 20 offers and i was kept getting insanely outbid and if all these open houses in howard county and carroll county maryland it's indian people and i'm like bro how

like what is going on like every time i see it like it's indians at these houses and then like they're i don't know it's insane like ellicott city maryland between uh 2000 and uh 2020 like the population of indian americans in that area has gone up by like 25 percent right and um that's neither good nor bad but i'm just saying that is what informed me to the fact that they had so much money the house that i yeah you see it up close the house that i got it's 1 100 square foot house cost 531 000 and well how many acres do you have three acres okay that's why but uh i mean in 2019 the house was probably worth 300 000 but uh an indian couple put an offer for and i don't think it's even legal that I know this.

So this is allegedly, I think. I don't think I should know any of this stuff, actually. Hypothetically. Hypothetically. An Indian family put a cash offer in for $535,000. Cash. Cash. And the reason they didn't get it is because the homeowners had a living situation

lined up that fell through so they wanted uh to be able to rent back for up to six months to give them a cushion to find a new living situation and the indians were like no we need it right away and i said yo you can live there for fucking two years if you want say as long as you want what can i do you want squat go ahead squat? Go ahead. You want a foot massage? What's up? Oh my God. There's a house in Howard County, Maryland, Ellicott City, the place I was talking about. Listed for $450,000. It was a- How close is that to like DC?

30 minutes. Okay. In Ellicott City. So it's a great central location. But it was a three quarters of an acre property, a thousand square feet, disgusting on the inside. Needed to be completely gutted. One bathroom, three bedrooms, six foot ceilings in the basement. three quarters of an acre property, a thousand square feet, disgusting on the inside needed to be completely gutted. One bathroom, three bedrooms, six foot ceilings in the basement, just horrible, horrible. But I was like, you know what? Maybe I could get this for like 475 or

something. It could be an investment property. I didn't even want to live there, but this is like while I'm house hunting, I'm like also looking like maybe I could invest in something in the meantime and then flip, just try to do something. And dude, I think it sold for like $600,000 in cash. And they said that presumably the person was just going to level it and build a big home. You know, this does – there's something up because it doesn't make sense. I remember when the pandemic hit, obviously, like we thought the world was ending for a short time there. But within two weeks, maybe three weeks, something like that, all the real estate guys I know

were like, dude, the market's insane. Like, because I guess people, there was some natural effect, like people were trying to move out of cities into homes because they don't want to be locked in the city. I get that. But like the prices went like that and even though we've had you know massive rate increases since then it still seems like the housing market's not hot but prices are still high and there's there is it's there's no way that can end well you know i i don't know how that ends i don don't have a crystal ball. I'd be really rich if I did. But something about that seems very insider jobby. When you look back on 05, 06, 07,

they knew what was going on. We didn't know it at the time, but they did. Yeah. And then you see my video in Hawaii, foreign investors are coming in, buying up all the property. Now you have all these short-term rentals and stuff and things are skyrocketing. And not to mention like the price of property taxes is insane. Like you can own a house that you bought for $100,000 30 years ago. Now your house is worth $800,000 and you might not be able to afford your property taxes. That's right. My mom and dad are such hardworking people, right? And they could have each retired six years ago and seven years ago but they they can't retire because they can't afford their mortgage and their home payments both

of my parents after working for 36 and 37 years will have to sell their home to to retire that's up that's sad yeah you know that's sad and that is just a testament to the the middle class the situation in the middle class yeah you ever read steven pinker's books i need to read more i think he's got he writes about the from a numerical perspective the positive trends in society of human history and it's actually great to read because we hear all this negativity and like he just writes it very straight laced like well according to this data you know we're killing less around the world by this number. We're getting more sustenance, stuff like that.

So it's cool. But he talks about there's a chart that happens. I'm trying to remember. I think it starts at like the beginning of the 80s where he shows the disparity. It's basically the wealth gap chart and it shows what happened in the middle class and essentially their buying power has been totally taken away. So people are promised these dreams like you come out of college, you go to a corporation, what do they give you? They give you a retirement account.

Oh, start building this. You might have four million by the time you're 65 and you can – but what's four million when you're 65 when you actually get there? They give you this time value of money and just tell you like, oh, this is going to work. You don't know that it's going to. And there's a lot of people who are coming up on retirement now. Like, do I even have the money to do this? And then imagine like when our generation gets to that retirement age, number one, how long are we living at that point? Number two, what's a dollar worth at that point? Is it still even the reserve currency in the world? And number three, you know, who even got out from underneath their student debt yeah they're still drowning in it they're

still drowning in it it's like it's gonna be like hi welcome to walmart for an entire generation yeah it's unbelievable and um man like me buying my first home like this happened like three days ago that we finally got the contract oh congrats man i can't afford a 531 000 home like literally that's that was my max i put a escalation clause in that was like i was like i'm gonna because i haven't got any homes all of my offers in off all the offers i've put in have fallen through so i was like i'm gonna put an ignorant offer in so they can't deny it and then next thing i know it's like oh yeah we reached your max on your escalation clause. No, like I'm very, very afraid that I'm not gonna be able to afford my house payments.

Like I think my house payments with, um, my utilities and stuff is going to be upwards of like three and a half to $4,000 a month. And how much are you spending on a video? Um, my Puerto Rico video that I just dropped last, I think it cost me with,

uh, flying ABG Neil out the camera guy, the paying like four thousand dollars that's actually less than i thought you were gonna say but that's still yeah and that's every that's every kind of video uh yeah that's more like the same expensive side but yeah the video is at least gonna be costing me a thousand like i would say um unless i'm having my girlfriend film and i'm editing by myself and i'm not traveling anywhere and you know, all that, but. And time, I mean, Christ.

Yeah. Yeah. I feel like I'm definitely putting it at least 60 hours a weekend, but yeah, I'm very, very afraid about this new home purchase, but I had to do it because there's not enough space in my mom's house for me to have kids. There's no, I can't, there's, there's so such little space. I have very limited space. So like, you know, I was, I want to get married and have kids i want to have at least four kids i'm already 28 my girlfriend's 28 i have to get

to work so it's like i have to get a home and so i could have got a house in west virginia or pennsylvania for probably four hundred thousand dollars way nicer than my house that i got but then now i'm separated from my community that's's right. It's like, what, like really, what do I, what am I supposed to do? Just keep waiting. And then you risk with age, like, you know, having developmental issues with your child and stuff. And yeah, so I'm really, really, really hoping that my YouTube channel is going to continue to do well and

that it won't be a stress, but I wiped out my entire bank account to get this home. And I think it's going to work out for you. I think your channel is doing great. It's one of the scared like right now the scary one of the scariest i've ever been like just like man i hope i can make this work but if shit hits the fan i can just i can sell the house and go back to living with my mom and stuff so i think i think it's gonna work out and like you know people a lot

of people listen like if we start as content creators like talking about the issues they'll be like oh shut the fuck up you make content and we're really lucky to do this. And I love doing it, but it's a business, right? And, and when you own your own business, you take risks and people at home, they see your videos, right? They see my videos. They don't see that risk behind the scenes. They don't see what goes into that. I'm not trying to like talk it up or shit like that, but I get it. You know, that's you walk around with that stress because you're like, you don't control what's going to work next. You don't control if YouTube's gonna say we don't like this video as much even if it's doing well, and you did your job. Right. And then you also

have priorities. You want to start a family, you want to have a home, you want to be near your parents, and you want to do what you love. But's a lot that goes into that and and i i think there are a lot of fans out there who have some understanding of that but it's it's nice to hear you open up and give a real play-by-play that behind the scenes because i think people need to hear that more yeah and honestly if it came down to it like i wouldn't be surprised if in the next year or two like if i were to get a solid paying job offer like i might not do youtube anymore really 100 because my biggest priorities would be stability in my community and youtube takes me away from my home a lot and it's also very very up and down income and i don't trust these social media sites like

i thought for the longest time my instagram was shadow banned right and then now i just instagram's released a new thing that it tells you outright if you're not like so oh yeah i saw that it's it's just it's is that real though bro it comes up in my account it literally says this i'll show it to you so like if you look up my name and you don't follow me i don't i don't come up your your account can't be shown to non-followers your account activity may not follow our recommendation guidelines yeah so i've appealed this and i'm trying to get a contact at um instagram that's just a screenshot um because if you type in my name on instagram brandon buckingham i've sent 72 000 followers i will not show up all these other accounts show up with like 400 followers you have to type in brandon underscore buckingham directly right really it's so weird like i was

getting for what i don't know i was getting like 15 to 20 000 uh story views i? It's so weird. Like I was getting for what? I don't know. I was, I was getting like 15 to 20,000, uh, story views. I know it's a weird thing to keep track of. And then it's like, boom, now I'm getting like two to 3000 out of nowhere. And it's like, you can see, it shows you in your analytics, your impressions, they just drop overnight. So what if that happens on YouTube? Like now I'm in this predicament where I have a lot of pressure on me and I have to be able to provide for my family. So yeah, if I could get a more stable position that was guaranteed, I would be willing to do it. But my dream with YouTube is that I'm going to be able to, you know, have more time with my family. I'm not going to have to travel as much.

And I have like 30 or 35 videos unreleased in the vault. So I'm going to keep on traveling, keep on stacking stuff up. So whenever the kid comes, you know i mean i can i can be there as much as i need to be i think you're gonna be fine because now you're finally like it i've seen it over the last few months like you're growing at a good clip now because that's that was the thing when i found you at the time i want to say you had maybe like 250k something like that 275 you were the biggest 250 or 275k creator by fan rabid following and like name recognition of anyone i have to this day ever seen and i'll say it at what you're at right now 576 or whatever i'll say that about that now too and like this is starting to grow and i i

don't think you're gonna have a problem because i want to see you on YouTube. I don't want to see you take a job at like, you've already taken all the biggest risks just to get to this point. And like, you're so ahead of the game. I mean, 35 to 40 in the vault. Holy shit. What are we doing? You know what I mean? Like that is such a good thing. And I, I, I have a good feeling about this for you. Yeah. I really hope it works out, but it definitely freaks me out. Like, cause they're, Oh man, it's like, you'll go through these big spans. You know, you can see in your YouTube studio, if you go to your audience, there's the purple line and there's the blue line, right? There's a returning viewers or like your subscriber viewers and new viewers. And it's like, sometimes that blue line is flatlined. And that's just means that YouTube

is not showing you to anyone and you can't control that. And that's why I've had to incorporate my wrestling mindset of outcome independence. Like all I can do is make the best video i can that i'm interested in that i think is good put it out and then i can't control anything else can't control it it doesn't that's the thing i've learned about youtube it doesn't have to make sense but yeah like i've put so much into this and sacrifice so much and um i am i'm not going to sacrifice like my my family and my community so like if it does come to that i will pick a stable career over you and i don't blame you at all for that yeah but i would love and i appreciate you so much for like seeing my value and stuff because i would love to freaking keep going but um you know it's i feel like it's out of my hands i can't

work any harder at youtube than i'm working i can can't like, I'm really trying my best. I'm very confident in that. And I'm also proud of my, um, my resume. Like if I stopped YouTube today, I would be able to be like, man, like I did right by people made so many good friends, covered stuff that I was interested in. And I'm like really, really happy I got to do that. Like, I'm so thankful for it. Yeah, man. But hopefully it keeps going. What do you, what do you want this to develop, to develop into? Like what kinds of things do you want this to develop to develop into like what kinds of things do you want to cover like in a perfect world five years from now if you're on youtube when you're on youtube what what type of content would you be making i literally hope i'm doing the exact same stuff exact same yeah whenever i want to be funny and i want to vlog with people and just have a

good time and make memories i can do that whenever i want to cover serious people and just have a good time and make memories, I can do that. Whenever I want to cover serious issues, I can go do that. Whenever I want to do profile pieces about people I'm interested in, I can do that. I don't feel limited. I don't ever have to worry about, oh, but what does my audience want? What does this want? I literally do whatever I want on YouTube and that freedom is awesome. And I'm very aware of my analytics. If I started doing a certain type of content and just did that i probably might be a little more successful on like a numbers standpoint but i feel like some of the reason that i have such a strong patreon following and such a strong core community is because you have like 2 000 people on patreon yeah around that amazing i don't i don't like pander to anything i just do you know i do what i want what i want to do and i stay true to myself you know

and like there's moments where like for instance i was in a hood of new what i want what i want to do and i stay true to myself you know and like there's moments where like for instance i was in a hood of new york i don't want to say where i was but the people i was with they wanted me to naughty bop to what naughty bop it's a trend there was this rap 14 year old rapper naughty bob from sure there's a 14-year-old rapper from sugar hill that was stabbed to death in the subway and they made a dance uh these guys named uh uh kyle rich he's from a group called 41 jen carter tata they made a dance mocking him um called the naughty bop where you would you know simulate stabbing uh yourself in the hips and the chorus is like uh naughty bop and i'm punching my hips come here gotta do it like this so when i was in

this hood we got it on the screen right now when i was in this hood of new york just the other day um they were like yo you're here right now you got a naughty bop you got a naughty bop and i was like no i'm not gonna do that like no you have to i was like bro i'm not i'm not doing that under any circumstance and then for you and then they're like glared at me like oh no we respect that we really appreciate that but like then you're like glared at me like oh no we respect that we really appreciate that but like then you have these clown ass streamers like neon you know oh dude what is this honest listen before you say this i don't understand streaming so i have to put a huge asterisk on this like i don't get it me and tommy were talking about this but like what

is the deal like why do people like a guy like that i i must be the younger generation because there's a huge gap but that like this he's such a punk in my opinion because neon naughty bopped right of course he did mocked the death of dd osama's brother naughty and then dd saw him in public and made him apologize right and he backed down and he apologized oh do we have video of that yeah and then what do you think neon's next move was after he apologized and got embarrassed you tried to try to say he got like ambushed and he would have never done it if he didn't get ambushed in public that'd be my guess yeah he runs on the to the camera and like challenges to him to a boxing match of course he did and you know he's never gonna do the boxing match he's just so disrespectful like he's just such a piece of shit like um he deserves to get squirted with mayonnaise in his

face all right hold on let's he deserves to get the mayonnaise treatment is this it neon apologize to dd osama for doing naughty bop see what this is like this new tiktok format we're like why why is pootie on the screen? I don't even understand. It's like another thing. Why are they streaming outside? I don't know. Shit is confusing. But yeah, that's Neon in the bottom Naughty Bopping. Play it.

All right, that's smooth, that's smooth. All right, let's go. Let's get some tickets. Let's get some tickets. Let's do a chat, let's do it. Let's do a chat. We also have some playing at seven. I don't wanna say what it is,

but it's gonna be very good, man. I like streams like this. like this chat. Just chill, good vibes, man. Diddy Osama, let me apologize. and I need a black person in the frame so I look hard. Oh my god The amount of vibance this guy's on I had a really weird dream. A really really weird one. On God Wallahi, I had a dream that I was in downtown LA I was streaming with my little brother and I got shit on the head. I swear to God So that opened my eyes and I got sh** on the head I swear to god sorry that opened my eyes and I want to genuinely apologize for I want to genuinely apologize for Didi Disama and his family I

did not mean that all right be naughty in the chat spam it up all right if you want to collab unbelievable oh my god yeah so then they I guess they collab Didi made him apologize and then yeah he was on the Misfits thing like calling him out to a boxing match but yeah kids like Neon

kids like Sneeko do you think it's like you know they're plotting this out to get attention I hope so

because if it's really like organic and it's society driven it's a terrible sign for the state of the youth

because these people they have no honor they have no respect and they have no respect, and in my mind, their only talent is being like a shape-shifting leech. They suck, bro. They take from everything. I agree.

And I have zero respect for them, and I dislike them so strongly. Like, oh, my God. They're some of the worst of the worst. Well, I know some of this is touching. You don't have to talk about anything you don't want to talk about but you bring it up right there obviously like i found you through that sneeko documentary you made and sneeko i think you know i don't know the guy but to me he's a prime example of when the internet morphs who you are and you will say anything for attention because when you run the tape on him i mean he said he

contradicts himself every five minutes he changes who he is completely and you had like something where you were trying to set up what became the ice beside in match but you were trying to do it with him and we're doing some boxing promotion and said something funny and maybe slightly over the line to him but it's in a boxing promotion and then he like accused you of saying you wanted to r word his girlfriend which you never said and this turned into a whole thing where then you put together a documentary which was incredibly edited by the way outlining who he is and that that continues to cause problems for you to this day no yeah no that uh that was definitely i know know people are like, oh, who cares? If you didn't do it, who cares?

But I literally had thousands of people harassing me and harassing everyone I know. Like your family? Yeah, calling me a sexual assaulter or whatever you can say on YouTube. All because he's like a little fucking coward. You know what I mean? Yeah, like what i said to him in the story like on the instagram story yeah i stooped to his level and i tried to take a a dig at him right um because i just got so i know boxing promotion and i want him to take

the fight um but like man to make up a lie like that about someone and put that evil on someone is crazy because i'll still get it also i'll still have people every now and then it'll be like oh you're a rapist it's insane but what I mean what a pussy I mean this guy's whole thing is seek truth through funny who makes up a fake claim like that and then doesn't even want to like talk about it like he won't debate me he won't fight me he's just like a coward they're like oh you're obsessed with him it's like bro I'm this guy is like his fans just harass me about that stuff but it's definitely better now especially thankful to um willie mac show moist critical ksi they have to clear my name ksi opted and helped yeah what did he do put out a tweet saying that um you know sneaker was ducking me and then they were like

oh what happened and it helped reveal the thing moist critical when he had his whole beef he called him out for for not fighting me and that just shed a light on like that he said these lies about me and then wouldn't fight me they made him like a coward the only people he wants to fight are people weaker than him or people that are so much stronger than him that if he loses it wouldn't matter like sean strickland like oh he's so brave for fighting sean strickland that That's a win-win. He's not supposed to do good, and it shows he's brave. So it's like, he's a coward. He would never take a fair matchup. Yeah, Alessio,

because I turned you on to that doc to watch that a few days ago when we were talking about bringing in Brandon. You had a really good takeaway with Sneako psychologically as far as he's all these different people at once or something. Yeah, he's just got an incredibly mixed personality. And like, I studied psychology in university. And one of the things he does is he's just constantly going through phases of

emotion. Like in that video, you did a great job breaking down where he's so angry and frustrated, then he's so sad, he turns around, and walks away, he's crying, then he comes back and it's like, W chat, W chat, let's go. And I'm like, how do you move from emotion so quickly? Like as a person, drugs. Yeah. But as a person, like if I get sad, I stay sad and like, it's a slow change to another feeling, but his quickness and emotions, I'm like, are you even a real person? Like it's bizarre. Yeah. I think that's, I ret i retweet yeah that whole incident was so you know i'm a relatively sensitive guy and i've never had thousands of people calling me those things it was my first time dealing with that and uh you know i didn't upload for like i think over eight weeks

it derailed everything like i was i was really uh really like in a bad mental headspace like it was it was really fucked up and i learned a lot from that i learned a lot from that. I learned a lot from that. Now, if something like that were to come up again, I think I would handle it a lot better. Good. Because now I think

I have a better understanding of the reality of the internet. Because, bro, some people that were my fans that really liked me, they turned on me, right? And then when the public tide shifted, now they're back on board.

Do you think some of that was because Sneeko was trying to get in tight with Tate and that's a little culty, that kind of thing? Is that part of what drove it? Yeah. I mean, this happened in May or April of 2022. This was before Sneako had a really bad rep.

And yeah, he had a lot of rabid fans and stuff. And yeah, that's when he just started Tating it up and doing all that. And the month after we beefed, I think the dude gained like 600,000 subscribers on YouTube. So it was just a really bad time for us to have the beef and you know he brought my friends into it he went he went on to two of my really close friends um streams to tell them about it as well and they bought it um i'll say jadeon uh i think he did like a you know as good of a job as he could have at the time um i was upset about it for we've squashed it you know i loved it and he's a great person but yeah the guy steezy kane like um yeah he didn't have my back at all he didn't

say a single word to defend me he just let him get on a stream and say all these horrible things like i mean we barely even know each other i hope that if another guest would come on and they were like oh you know brandon buckingham's a piece of scumbag you wouldn't know i'd chuck them you you wouldn't just be like yeah yeah yeah no you'd be like oh like why like why are you saying that and you say something and they're like are you sure like I don't know just there's no pushback this is a guy I've lived with an L I live with Steve came for like six weeks in LA like we were I thought we were friends but I've definitely learned that YouTube blurs the line between business and friendship

that's right and I'm not looking for very many business relationships typically I'm looking for friends. But when I run into people that just want business relations, then I just got to know that that's what it is and to not take things personally because they're not my friend and that's fine. People don't want to do the hard thing because they don't want it to happen to them, right? They don't want the same Unleashed fanboys on them that he might do to you. And that's the thing. To me, in this business i think it's a little easier just because i sit in a studio it's not like a live audience or

whatever like i'm gonna tell you what it is to your face you're not always gonna like it but you know if he were sitting here right now i'd give him that i might not make a lessee say what his takeaway was but i'd say like you seem very confused you seem seem like – like he's been – since I started knowing who he was, which was not that long before your thing happened. It was probably a few months before. He's been in like six eras since then. It's been two years. Like not even. Like it's not even that long.

Like he's so confused about who he is. And like in some ways, I feel bad for him because he was doing this as a kid and i think that's probably not the healthiest thing but you know when people tell you who they are i i don't know the guy personally but like you should probably believe it the guy's been fired by mr beast he was fired by keemstar he seems to chase cloud he got in with the tates right the minute kanye started screaming about jew everywhere, he's hanging out with Kanye and fucking Nick Fuente. It's like, you know, I look at a guy like that and I'm like, identity issues. Yeah, so here's the deal.

That guy, he grew up in Connecticut and Maine, right? That's where he spent time. Really? He comes from a very rich family, private schools, very, very wealthy, right? Sneako. Yes. On his father's side, he's jewish he used to claim to be jewish right uh he really there's podcasts of him talking about how he struggled

to get laid until he started drinking publicly he was never a ladies man you know what i mean so all of these personalities he like shifts through it's i feel like it's all just his like weird fever dream it's all a facade oh he's the one you come to for advice on girls like i can never get girls he's only got girls off of his status and his and his wealth like oh he's now this muslim he's standing up for what's right and for islam that's just because it like andrew tate did that like it just became trendy that's right before he was talking about his father's side and judaism and stuff like he just switches things um he's a chameleon and you you know you can't you can't try to this This is what I learned. If you try

to reason with people like that, they're going to drive you insane. Because it's like, I tried to reason with this guy for months. And the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. And I was just hitting my head on that wall over and over and over and over. And it started making me prideful. And I read this thing in the Bible that said, pride, the sin of pride is trying to force others the way you see things. And then I never consider myself that prideful of a person. But when I read that, I was like, damn, I need to like take a step back, stop worrying about my YouTube friends not having my back or him saying all this stuff about me. And just like, you know, look, if they want to do that and they want to

act that way, then I think that's their their i'll let them live that you know personal hell but it was bringing hell into my life trying to reason with it and be um sane but yeah no i'm super super happy i have friends around me like you know tommy g turkey tom even dmp people like peaks 100 amont um you know just really good people. Who have your back. Yeah, we just see eye to eye on things. And before we're a content creator, I feel like we're good friends. Yeah. I think it would also benefit.

Content creation wars, yes, people will walk into each other's studios and stuff and do things like this. But a lot of it's still separate from behind the keyboard or from behind a separate camera. And I think that's, I mean, it's proven. It's obviously, like, unnatural, and it brings out things that maybe people wouldn't mean or be like, and some of these situations could be avoided that way. And, like, I don't, we've had one situation with this show where, you know, I got, like, fucking Keemstar in my DMs asking me questions when I get that DM I'm like shit has gone wrong we got a board and shout out Keem I love Keem but like that's not you know that's

not really I'm not into that stuff it just fascinates me how a lot of guys like some of the ones you mentioned will use this stuff to not only do negative things but they'll do it purposely to grow their following and that's why i asked you a little bit ago if like some of this is like kind of plotted out like like rap beefs you know like uh you know kanye is gonna beef with drake for two weeks ahead of their albums like these things and part of that's fine but like it also sets a bad example i think to a lot of the the chat the chat the 12 year olds that are listening to everything they do and telling their their mom to give them their credit card to buy their merch yeah no i mean one thing about me is i i would never fabricate

a beef and i i actually would like to be friends with some with people i feel like you have you'd have to go out of your way for me not to like you you know i always i try to get people to benefit the doubt and whatnot hear them out like even if it's like oh this guy's undeniably a piece of shit it's like yeah i'll still try to give him a fair shake you know and like especially my videos like let my audience draw their own conclusions i don't need to hold your hand and spell things out for you um but yeah just this new streamer culture man it's unbelievable do you think that's a phase or you think that's a new reality i mean i'm not that well read on the streamer world but i feel i feel like it's i feel like a lot of this is new like

especially with like jack doherty's situation if you know who that is and like i know who he is but what's the situation like these streamers in miami it's like it's like fight club they're like sucker punching people on camera and getting into all these brawls and it's always constant drama and there's the only fan stuff and none of them are friends and it's just this big backstabbing just hellhole of shit and like you know um like the neon guy like he's faked his death he's faked having cancer he's faked his death faked his death faked having cancer didn't his girlfriend like fuck his friend or something too or did i make that up he's not someone else literally i don't know for a fact but i know for a fact he signed this girl named sam frank to an only fans deal and pretty much began a fake relationship with her to promote her so he can get a percentage of his shit.

I'm pretty sure that was all fabricated. He's threatened to dox people. He's threatened to assault a 10-year-old. A 10-year-old. And then recently, the Naughty Bob thing was insane. And I was just on Sugar Hill with Sugar Hill D-Dot and J jay starballa who's not his brother and um yeah i mean it's just fucking the disrespect you have to have to to bro it's one thing if you're in the streets right and you want to in your that's your life and you want to diss this 14

year old who was also in the streets right but for neon to do it it's like you have nothing to do with that situation and you're such a disrespectful piece of shit and then now you want to be friends and then he gives you a fair shake and then you squash it and's like you have nothing to do with that situation and you're such a disrespectful piece of shit and then now you want to be friends and then he gives you a fair shake and then you squash it and then now you want to fight it's like you are a rat yeah it's it's it's attention and just self-promotion self-growth you see dana white kick him out of ufc yeah i mean it's fucking awesome he's disrespect like the dude is disrespectful but hey look he probably doesn't have to worry about making his payment on his home if you wanted to buy one. No, he doesn't. He's doing okay.

I just think there's actually a video. Find this if you can, Alessi. Sneeko talking to kids, Marlon's game. I know what you're talking about. You know what video I'm talking about. And like actually to Sneeko's credit, I think there was a little moment of truth in his eyes. Maybe I'm wrong, but he was like, oh, shit, when he saw this. The second one right there.

No, no, no. Go back. Go back. Or actually, yeah, yeah. Dude, that's the clip. This is good. All right. Go back to the beginning.

Go back to the beginning. It's just that little clip. Look at the fan base, too. What? Kid's saying, fuck the women. No, no. All gays are dicks. Popular social media. Oh, fuck the women. Popular social media influencers. No, no.

Can you go back? I want the actual bit. This is like a reaction. I think it was the second one. This right here? No, just go to YouTube directly. All right. And type in Sneeko.

Sneeko kids. It's all good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hit that one. That's it. What did you take? Fuck the woman, fuck the woman. What? He's like, wait, what a man?

No, no, wait, wait, wait. We love women, we love women. We love women. What? Not like transgender. Yes, sir. We love everybody. No, no.

All games are fine. Oh, yeah, merch preach. No, no. I'll give you five. Yeah, yeah. Merch preach. Merch preach. What have I done? Yeah. What have I done? Like, I think there was a moment of, like, holy shit there.

But, like, you see this. This is from just screaming shit on a stream all day and not worrying about repercussions. Look, obviously, I fully believe in free speech. Say what you want, even the stuff I hate. But when all these guys are incentivized monetarily to do that at will and it's a bunch of impressionable young kids, you're seeing that in real life there. That's scary to me. That shit, I don't have to worry about with Tommy G or Brandon Buckingham content. The kids are going to do shit like that.

You're trying to educate people and do it in an entertaining way. This is different. Yeah. Well, I do also want to say like, I have never portrayed myself as a role model or told people like, Oh yeah, you should listen to me.

I'm the one that has the answers. Like, look, I've done drugs in my life. I've committed crimes in my life. I, I gamble. Like,

you know what I mean? I've taken gambling, gambling sponsorships. I got a fake ID when I was 18 to gamble. I love gambling. Like you could, you could be like be like oh but you're a bad influence and yeah but you could pick and choose what i've done and say that i'm a bad influence but i'm not here trying to make you worship me and i'm not trying to hold your hand right you can make your

own decisions you could see what i've done that's bad undeniably you can see what i've done that's good you can pick and choose if you haven't gone gotten your master's degree and became a teacher then don't say that i inspired you to gamble or to binge drink like why are you picking the worst parts of me to be inspired by because i know people give me about that and um i pander to a or yeah i appeal to an adult fan base i don't try to appeal to kids you know there's a reason i stopped teaching elementary school and if i do want to appeal to kids i still coach junior league wrestling and i appeal to them i because i show them wrestling technique but i'm not out here like oh yeah you guys should get you got you should look up to me i'm not the best role model you

know what i mean i'm a very flawed individual you're so you're very self-aware yeah comes across today very self and it's like crazy when people my comment section like oh you sold your soul because i did a gambling sponsorship are you oh you're you're a piece of shit you're a bad influence it's like who do you think i think i am you know and i'm i don't think if you see one of my gambling sponsorships that i've done and you don't gamble don't start gambling you know what i mean it's just like for me my my logic behind the gambling things i know it's like unethical to some people is i've gambled forever and I enjoy it. So if they're going to offer me money, that's going to help me fund these trips and stuff. I'm going to accept that. And anyone who would like to gamble using my code, that's great. But I don't, I definitely

don't want people to start gambling. I don't want people to start drinking. I don't want people to start going into the hood. I don't want people to, you know, quit their job if they have a good job because I did it. But, um, if anything, I hope i inspire people to maybe um maybe be less judgmental and like pursue their passions i guess but yeah i'm not a role model you know what i mean i'm just i'm just uh a guy what do your parents think of what you do and what did they think like when you made the jump in the first place uh definitely unanimous disappointment when i made the jump because they helped me go through college so they had to sacrifice things for me to go to college and then once i got the job as a teacher i kind of feel like they never said this but just from my the guilt that i had i felt like

i i kind of threw away some of their sacrifices to pursue the youtube thing but on the flip side of that coin i sacrificed so much to do what they wanted me to do, which was to go to college. I hated it the whole time. The whole six years, I hated it. Thank God I had wrestling. Six years? Yeah, I got my master's degree.

Oh, shit. So thank God I had wrestling to keep me involved. If it wasn't for wrestling, I never would have finished college. And shout out to my coach, Mike Hornzell, and UMBC. But yeah, I think they were very disappointed in the beginning. Understandably so, because like, what are you doing were very disappointed in the beginning, understandably so,

because like, what are you doing? That's like, oh, you're making $50,000 a year as a teacher. Like in 22 years, you're gonna be making six figures, Brandon. You have a great, you have retirement, you have benefits. Like, you know, you spent all this time. How are you just gonna throw it away? The plan. But so they also understood a little bit, right?

They were disappointed, but I think they didn't give me that hard of a time because the first Thursday of the school year when I taught, my brother died, 34 years old. And he was waiting to retire in the Air Force, or he was a technical sergeant in the Air Force. And he did not like his job, and he always talked about how he was looking forward to retirement. He would talk about, oh, I'm this amount of this money used to retirement yeah because he got in early and boom he had a heart attack and died like unexpectedly like he just had a heart attack so that was like crushing to me obviously because i'm so family focused and it was like devastating and he's an amazing person huge inspiration i love him to death but i was like damn if I die when I'm 34, do I want to die having put 10 years into teaching? Like, I just can't be my reality.

So I just had to try something. So my parents definitely resonated with that. And they were like, look, if you feel like it's something you have to do, then go ahead and do it. Especially, you know, me sometimes having mental health struggles and whatnot, they just want me to be happy. They want me to be fulfilled. And I was not happy as a teacher. And yeah, so I would say initially disappointment.

Now they're kind of like, well, now they're kind of just like, wow, like I can't believe you did this. Name another YouTuber from Carroll County. I don't know any YouTubers that, I don't know anyone that knew anyone. You know what I mean? I grew up next to Kyle Snyder, who's an Olympic champion wrestler. That was like one of my best friends growing up.

But that's like the star of the area. Like I had no connections to any content creator. So it just seemed impossible. But now that they, now my mom will be like, oh wow, look, the video has a hundred thousand views.

Oh wow, the video's got 200,000 views. And I feel like they are proud of me and they know how hard I work. And yeah, just what I stand for and how I haven't let this stuff change me at all and that's good yeah it's clear you're you're you i like that a lot yeah and bro i have such good parents and while they were disappointed bro they did allow me to pursue that passion and now they feel like you know i made a good decision that's awesome man and it's so great that like you're so close

with them too and you're so family oriented as well i love hearing that and you're representing from carroll county yeah what's better than that yeah i'm living in the same exact uh place since i was five years old and my great great grandfather is buried in the closest cemetery to my house so that's pretty cool we have deep ties to the area. I would like to be a lifer there. I'd like to live there my whole life. The school district that I'm in, South Carroll High School, is the number one wrestling school in Maryland.

No shit. Shout out to Brian Hamper. That's pretty good. Do you have other siblings as well? Yeah, I have a brother and I have a sister. My brother was a high-level wrestler as well state placer great guy huge inspiration are they do they live close to yeah they all live close by very cool very cool and it sounds like your brother who passed away you're doing his memory some honor with what

you're doing which is very very cool I have his ashes right here and this is the cross and the chain that he wore every day so yeah that's heavy but bro he was because i used to put out like animations and music and stuff and this is when i had like i was getting like 40 views and no subscribers and he would text me like you're a star like he was just always so supportive and um you know there's like nobody i could relate to more in the world than my brothers and uh yeah i love him dearly. And through his passing, I've learned so much. And it's actually made me become, have more faith and more religion because I was just like driving me insane.

Like, how could God do this? How could God do this? And through like grieving classes and therapy and whatnot, they tell you, and religious stuff, it's like faith is the opposite of questioning. So I'm asking all these questions about why my my brother's mortality and it's driving me insane and it's like the only thing that helped me get through that was having faith and mind you i've only been to church like a handful of times in my life i'm not like wasn't raised really religious but yeah like having faith it really helped me get over my brother's passing and he was getting really into faith towards the end of in his last six months i was like i have his diary and stuff so i was able to read through he

yeah he was getting really into faith so we have different fathers um joseph delane and my brother at the end of his life was doing bible studies with his father and then when he passed i started doing bible studies with him and it helped me grieve that's awesome you found something in that you know because that's that's such a i can't i don't have siblings but i can't imagine yeah i lost like that so close i would not be a youtuber if it was not for my brother 100 wow and also my other brother that's still alive like 100 my biggest supporter is my my brother that's still with us like biggest supporter to this day i wanted to quit so many times man i was 8 18 months into doing youtube i had 35 000 subscribers and i was negative 20 000

door dashing full time i released a video every single week for 81 weeks until i hit 100k and i broke even and like bro you made a video about that too right like zero to 100k yeah yeah and uh oh man i would like cry and just be such a head case and my brother um would just like always do everything he could to make me think positively and be like stop like keep just keep going just keep going that's awesome you need people like that you need people you know it can drive you crazy doing stuff like this you feel like you're busting your hand against a stone wall but you need the people who see it and like you know aren't just gassing you up for no reason they'll be honest with you too but like they're like hey keep going you know that that that shit goes a long way but

to get it from your brother is really special he's the one my brother's the one that bought me the gopro that i used to film all my videos in the beginning and when i did that danny mullen collab right i talked about it for a few months with my friends as soon as i I brought it up to my brother, he was like, do it right now. And I was like, oh, I'm nervous. He was like, if you wanted this to happen, do it right now. If you feel this needs to happen, donate the money right now. And I did, and I wouldn't have done that without him. Yeah, man.

I feel like I owe everything to my family, 100%. Dude, you're an inspiration. You're going to be all right. You're not taking a job i'll make sure that doesn't happen let's keep you going with the youtube your channel's fucking awesome we're gonna put the links and everything in the description below everyone go watch the videos that we started to watch today they're all awesome can't recommend it enough but i really really appreciate you doing this on short notice too yeah thank you guys so much for like making it

happen i know this is the earliest podcast you've done because after this I've got to go film more. But, man, this was probably the most fun I've ever had on a podcast. Such great conversations. You're such a genuine person, great at talking, great interview skills. I'm not even glazing. You are incredible at what you do. Thank you. I want to definitely thank you as well and thank Tommy G for connecting us.

Of course. Shout out to Tommy G. Great guy. Great guy. I appreciate you, brother. We'll do this again for sure. Anytime. Everybody else, shout out Tommy G, great guy. Great guy. Yeah, I appreciate you, brother. We'll do this again for sure. Anytime. Everybody else, you know what it is.

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