Julian Dorey Podcast - 😱 [VIDEO] - China's Secret Plan To CONTROL The World | John Minelli • #143

Episode Date: April 13, 2023

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What's up, guys? If you're on Spotify right now, please follow the show so that you don't miss any future episodes and leave a five-star review. Thank you. had the Kennedy assassination, even though you had Dr. King being assassinated, even though you had all these horrible things that were happening in America, America was turning a corner into this era of prosperity. there's always like the funny italian like little traditions and people are like wait what okay whatever sure i guess go with it it's cool but you're you're italian german no yes it's a fucking hell of a combo right there yep where what's your parents story are they from america originally or so my uh my mom is a first generation american oh shit yep and that kind of got into why i wanted to go in the military in the first place just because uh the nation has just done so much for my family my uh my umma

and my grandfather and then my great aunts on on my mom's side were all born in liebling which is a small village in europe it's not in germany but it's near germany what what is that officially in uh denmark or some shit i should know i was just at thanksgiving oh you don't know no i think it's in um the same place that arnold schwarzenegger is from. Well, that narrows it down. Yeah, I know, right? As far as I'm concerned, he's from L.A. Yeah.

It was a small wheat farming village, and they were just poor farmers, and then the war came through. So when the Russians started coming through at that time, the USSR, they got in wagons and just fled the war and made their way to berlin uh as war refugees and then hung out there for a minute while they were getting their their sponsorship done up and then once that happened they made their way to america how old were your grandparents when that happened so when my umma that's my great-grandmother she must have been um 30 and then she was pregnant with my aunt kathy at the time yep my grandfather's around uh he's 13 at this time um funny part about our family is we have this family tradition where every year we'll go uh it's called uh lynching or vinching excuse me yeah it's the wrong one right there well we uh

we say the stupid german thing like uh my mom taught me the girl version. You say, Ich wünsche, ich wünsche, ich wasse, ne wasse, greifen, deis, sack, und gib, ne wasse. Which roughly translates into, hey, I'm a good little German girl. Reach into your pocket, und gib, ne wasse. Give me something nice. So every year... Sounds like the Hitler youth right there.

Dude. Oh my God. I'm terrible. I'm sorry. I'm sure your mom's an isolated girl. You're right. So every year, you'll give the kids a dollar. And, like, we play rummy with it.

And we make wush every year. Interesting. So the firstborn or the oldest boy in the family always wears this jacket that my grandfather came over to America with. He was 13 when he wore it. Most boys in the family now, they wear it when they're, like, 7 or 8. Because people were smaller back then. Because there was less food to go around ah this jacket dude it has like the buttons are made out of like reindeer uh antlers the the fiber is hand woven like it's been in our family forever and uh just because it shows the disparity between what America is normal to us

and then just how the rest of the world lives. And I was always really, I was raised in that. I was always very appreciative of that. And that kind of led into my burning desire to just join the military in the first place. But you said, did I hear this right? Your grandpa was 13 and your grandma. There are very few things that you can be certain of in life, but you can always be sure the sun will rise each morning. You can bet your bottom dollar that you'll always need air to breathe and water to drink. And, of course, you can rest assured that with Public Mobile's 5G subscription phone plans,

you'll pay the same thing every month. With all of the mysteries that life has to offer, a few certainties can really go a long way. Subscribe today for the peace of mind you've been searching for. Public Mobile, different is calling. Was 30 when the war was going on? Yep. So she cleaned up after the war, huh? Yeah. She got the nice young calf right there. Absolutely. Not bad, not bad. That's an interesting family story because a lot of people it's kind of to me almost a forgotten part of history when you look at say that let's call it like the 10-15 years after the war in germany and what a shit show that was have you ever read uh what the fuck is it called it's annie jacobson's

book on the operation paperclip i think it might actually literally be called operation paperclip i should remember that i'll look it up in a minute but did you ever read that by any chance i did not when you hear the accounts of just what a clusterfuck this was it blows your mind because obviously like it's of their own making with everything that happened now let's make that very clear sure but it was this dystopian just you know you don't really live in a country you live in this i mean you'd call it an occupied territory but i wouldn't even say that you had the russians coming in from one angle the u.s coming in from another angle they're both like running to the town that they're supposed to

be divvying up to the other person before one to the other country before one actually gets there so they can get their intel before the other country and then they're stealing all the nazi scientists and shit in the middle of it it was just the citizens are you know there's plenty of them who were i'm sure just under the nazi regime and obviously didn't have a choice there. And those are the ones who, along with the regular old Nazis got like sucked up into it. And you hear a lot of these stories where there's people who were just, they're like,

I don't know if we're going to live tomorrow. And they found a way to get out and find refuge in, in other countries like America, which it sounds like obviously your grandparents did. My other was one of those people. Yeah. So just because he was a military age male at the time when the nazis were rolling through they said hey guess what you're a nazi now because we need service-aged males to be in the military here's

a rifle wow yep that's some heavy what it did i mean is he still alive no uh my other past a long time ago but it's just did he ever talk about it no i never met him uh he died before i was born but uh unfortunately my grandfather and him had a very rough relationship wait a little bit your atta's not so my utah that's a german word that was his actual name that is the the husband of my grandma right and then you just said your grandpa and him had a terrible relationship that's his son my grandfather umma is a German word that means grandmother we always called her umma she in reality is my great-grandmother I'm sorry I'm really confused but you're

calling one your grandfather and you're calling his son your grandfather so there's my umma which is my great-grandmother oh great it is his or her excuse me husband they had children and then they came over here okay I missed that so that's your great-grandfather there's a lot of German words got into that yeah I hope everyone followed that but that's that's pretty wild so you you never met him but did your dad like ever dad or your mom ever talk to you about you know like his experiences with the war or your grandma's experiences with the war and how they felt about it? Yep. I was just at Thanksgiving talking to my Aunt Kathy about exactly all this. And what she said is a lot of the normal people that were just caught in the war wanted to surrender almost immediately to the American people.

They didn't want to fight. They knew the war was over. Obviously, it was a horrible cause to begin with in the first place and they wanted to get captured by americans sounds about right yep you'd rather be captured by americans than fucking russians at that point it was the soviet union there was all kinds of shit going on yep i'm sure there was shit going on with some of the americans too to be honest with you but it just it's it's crazy to try to put your finger in history and go there and just that whole that whole thing like i think about that the holocaust was not even those camps weren't even freed 80 years ago yep that's not that long i was talking to my aunt kathy about exactly this and

what she said is when they were making their way to berlin just as they were getting closer to germany they could smell burning flesh in the air just because of what was going on and the crazy part is like you you read this in history books but these are normal people that are just caught in the middle of this yes and they're trying to find their way to a safe Haven where the war is not going on and history is happening around them there are some people though where it's like i don't know how i feel about that where you had the villages that were extremely close to some of these camps yep and there's no way they didn't smell that of course you know have you seen those videos at the end of the war when eisenhower and i think patent too made those people visit the camps just to see what's going on

dude we've played that on this podcast before i'll put some of that in the corner of the screen, the stuff that's appropriate for YouTube. But, I mean, you see the real, you know, you see angst on there. They're human beings. And not like the people that ran those camps and everything. But it's like, how do you ignore? I know people will say, like, well, what could they have done about it? I mean, what could a lot of these people have done about it I mean what could a lot of these people have done about stuff there's people who hid people there's people who did

all kinds of brave shit during that time and it's like to be a whole village and smell that every day and and be like oh you know we're not gonna worry about it that has just never sat right with me and then you know you still have people today who and it's not that many people but it blows my mind when there's people who like deny that that happened it's like why the fuck do we even have video then like you know what i mean people compartmentalize very easily like we were talking about just how there was less calories going around people were just worried about feeding themselves let alone what's going on in the world and i think people today unfortunately are no different they just kind of mind their own business and whatever happens around them happens around them.

And you're saying that in today's times that can lead to people then finding ways to be pissed off about things and deciding that something's how it is. Of course. I think you're right about that. Yeah. I think that's probably how, you know, especially with conspiracies and stuff, you know, when you look at the crazy shit not that stuff but you know when people are trying to or they are taking the side of like they're they're trying to deny something like the holocaust it's like well how does that start it starts with you needing to find a meaning in something because you're mad about something else and you're finding a boogeyman

and this must be what explains it and it's like obviously there are when you look at like today's government and stuff like that, of course, like if you look at the word conspiracy It's actually like not a loaded word when you say conspiracy theory now it starts to get loaded But yes, there's there's little conspiracies of everything and and some of them probably are actually not bad But then there's some that are bad that are true But people will throw out 10 000 things and in those 10 000 you know there will be the five that are true sure but now its job is the burden of proof to prove itself among a group where the people claiming it are throwing out 9 995 other things that are you see like it's hard and it's even hard like when you look at

the alien conversation stuff like that i still come at that from like the skeptic lens i believe they exist but like you know there's stories that i hear and then i i look at the evidence we do have and it's hard to deny it but i still like toss and turn at night like oh did that happen you know which one is it you know it's tough it's a tough world we were kind of talking about this before we started rolling I just want to believe all the alien stuff so bad. I know I have an unbiased perspective with it But I know if memory serves me correctly the term conspiracy theory came after the JFK assassination Correct and the US government invented that term in the first place to kind of sway people to say hey I know some things don't look right, but it's a conspiracy theory if you even draw your draw any attention to it correct i don't know if they invent i always i'm careful how i say that or try to be i hope

but i don't know if they officially invented the term it may have existed before but they popularized it into the lexicon under that new definition for sure so they invented that aspect that was the catalyst for sure and yeah i mean i would love to be a fly on the wall in the room where they had that discussion yeah that's all i'll say and i think too in that era you could get away with so much more no one had a camera in their pocket things were easier to hide so my hope is that um as people or as technology advances a lot of these things are getting tougher to hide. But I don't know. The last three years have been absolutely crazy for everybody.

So I can't even imagine what's going on behind closed doors now. Yeah. Now, as far as you go, though, you hinted at it a little bit, which before we even get into it, I got to say you're the most prepared guest I've ever had in my life. I appreciate it, man. And I appreciate you flying out here on your own dime. You did not have to do that. As I say with the guests, like, I pay for guests to come in here as far as the travel expenses and stuff like that. But when it's too far, like, you know, I still live in my parents' house and I'm poor.

So, you know, I can't quite afford it. But you were, like, no problem coming out here. So thank you for doing that. Of course. But, you know, I'm looking looking you got fucking spreadsheets and shit you got like notes written in military form and everything so what's going on here is this like a booklet we got we're trying to be legit about it here uh i do have a cheesy disclaimer i have to read um okay let's start with that we'll roll through that pretty quick the opinions stated in the following podcast are completely my own

and in no way, shape or form represent the United States Air Force, the Department of Defense, any current or former employer of mine or the United States government. They are simply my experiences living and working in austere for deployed environments in support of a global war on terror and my very human and very flawed interpretations of the events discussed perfect all right so we got that out this guy has his own opinions deal with him that's it easy so you got into the military when you were like 18 you were telling me right 18 right out of high school what was the thought there did you always want to do that growing up so because of

my family background uh i always had a debt of gratitude that i had to pay back to this wonderful country that we all share um but the decision point was, okay, if I'm going to do this military thing, what branch I join, and more specifically, what job I actually do while I was in was always the big deciding point. My mentality walking into it was, okay, if I'm going to become government property for four years, and regardless of what branch I join or what job I do, that's going to be the case. I want to get the absolute most out of them as they are going to get out of me. I want it to be a mutually beneficial relationship. Unfortunately, what I think happens is a lot of vets have a rough time transitioning out. And in many cases, unfortunately take steps back after they leave the military, their life doesn't improve after they get out. I want to take every step possible to not be one of those

people. So when it came time to picking a branch specifically, I talked to all the recruiters, I talked to the army, I talked to the Navy. It was interesting that the Air Force guy wasn't even there in the recruiting office to begin with. And I took note of that because I quickly learned the Air Force doesn't really need to recruit in the first place. Why is that? They have the best gig in my opinion and what i mean by that is just by the mission set of the air force the weapons systems that you work on the type of work that you'll be doing the technical nature of the job in many ways you can essentially have a paid internship for the military industrial complex or the defense sector

while you are serving and that was the first play or the first bet that I wanted to make with my life. I wanted to pick a job that not only had a military need, but a civilian need. So when it came time to separate, um, I had options. I didn't have to reenlist. You were prepared as a person, like just in general. Tried to be. Yeah. So that's definitely a trait of yours. So with the air force, you don't go in there the first time or you go in there the first time to do the research And talk with these different teams and they're not there how long before you actually got on their radar Or you found your quite honestly about a month It was hounding down people trying to find recruiters trying to send emails and then I finally got in contact with someone and I started

Talking with him. I had a couple of things that I wanted to accomplish as far as what job I wanted to pick. The first and foremost was I wanted a job that required or would give me some sort of security clearance. And the reason I knew this was so important was because if you get this security clearance with your time spent in the military, it makes you a lot more employable when you finally come out. That is essentially like a guys will describe it as a golden ticket to start working in the defense sector. And the reason this is the case is because all the big defense contractor companies, we all know the names of them, Lockheed Martin, Boeing, Raytheon, L3 Harris, those companies will negotiate a contract between

the United States government and the private entities themselves to build weapon systems or products that are ultimately sold to the US government once that contract is established the military has a special requirement that says hey any product that we sell that you will ultimately maintain the people and the individuals that maintain that weapon system or fix the computers or the airplanes or the whatever when they break they have to be cleared and investigated because of the nature of the work we can't hire joe off the street because joe off the street could be a chinese asset or a russian asset and these are really technical weapon systems so if i'm raytheon i have two choices i can hire a dude off the street and pay to get him investigated which is very costly very expensive um and in many

cases you're you're taking a chance on a person i don't know a person's immigration background i don't know their family history this investigation is not only it takes a long time but it may not come back in my favor so i'm spending a lot of time and money on a person that might not work out for us what goes so when they do those investigations, how much – it's not like a background check that I do if I go for a job where they run me through some system. Do they do private investigators on these people and all that shit? I had a private investigator assigned to me, and I gave them contacts, and they knocked on doors and said, hey, do you know John Bonelli? Is he a person that you would trust with national security? What was he like in high school?

Is this a good person? And I couldn't tell. So they were open about it. I couldn't talk to that person directly. But they were open about that. Yes. They brief you and say, hey, we're going to look into your life. They look into your credit score.

They look into almost every facet of you to make sure you're an American that is not compromised as an asset. Because we're going to be trusting you with very sensitive information. So if I'm that company, if I have that relationship with the US government, I can either pay to have that happen, or I can hire guys who already have the clearance paid for by the government in the first place, and plug them in directly to the products that we're already selling. Now, how, especially from the the private sector because they're not officially government air quotes how reliable do you honestly think that is because like i remember there was someone i went to college where they smoked more fucking weed than anyone else i got a call one day from someone at some government it was a government thing or something they're like oh do you know

this person did he ever smoke i'm like no no fuck no and then i get off the phone like shit am i gonna get in trouble for that like is that what i was supposed to say but they just took it he got hired he's doing great today you know what i mean like stuff like that sometimes i think about that and it's almost like it's checking a box rather than you know so the big things that they care about um the weed thing and i'm not an investigator i can't speak to this officially but i've been i've heard that has changed a little bit just with the social tides. Obviously on paper, hey, you can't smoke weed in the military or in the defense sector. But the big things they're looking for is, hey, is this person a Russian asset to begin with?

And the big thing is, hey, is this person financially sound? Because if I have a person that has bad credit or a bunch of credit cards that are open and has $50,000 worth of debt, he is more easily compromisable. If I'm Russian, I say, Hey, for a hundred grand, I can make all your problems go away. Just toss me some secrets. Um, you'll give me a weapon. Exactly. It's easier to, uh, to lean on those people. Yeah. Hey guys, cutting in to let you know that after we finished recording this episode, John and I sat down for another 50 to 60 minutes on camera and recorded a Patreon-only episode that will be available on the Julian Dory Podcast Patreon within two days of this video going live on YouTube. So check that out, link in description as well as on the channel page. And if you're on Spotify, it is on the show page description. Furthermore, if you haven't already subscribed to our Clips channel on YouTube,

please do that. We've been putting out clips every single day. Alessia Alamon is killing it. It's content from the podcast that you've come to know and love. So I would really appreciate you guys going over there and showing that channel support. The link is in my current channel page, as well as in the description to this episode. Yeah. And it's actually like, I know Andy Bustamante talks about that a lot he's talked about it i think every podcast i've been on him with where a lot of the leaks most of them actually come out of the private sector air quotes big air quotes with their former public sector employees who are now quite literally still read in on everything they had when they

were being paid by the government instead so i wanted to make sure I had a job that did that. And then I wanted some sort of technical background as well to go along with it. Once I found a job that checked those two check marks, I knew, hey, this was going to be something that was not only beneficial for me, but beneficial for the government. Did you worry about working with people though, who, because obviously like you have all your ducks in a row i'm not worried about you but especially as someone like you is analytical and clearly thinks about all this shit did you worry about oh am i going to be working with people that i gotta look at funny because you know someone's got a gambling debt someone is behind on their housing payment just like you were just saying a couple minutes ago you know and

you're now dealing with things where you're still serving your country in this respect in the private sector and that's how you look at it and like you know you could be dealing with some traitorous shit was that thought like ever in your head the guys in uniform were always cleared so this crazy intensive process uh was applicable to all of us if you wore uniform and you had a security clearance and you were read into the respective program the u.s government goes out of its way to make sure that those are the right people who get access to very specific information and the reason they do that is not only for a dollars and cents perspective but just because if any of that information gets leaked

it's not only their problem but it's everybody's problem so they they make sure that the right people are in the right places at the right time. Got it. So back to you when you were coming into the Air Force, though, and working. So were you still 18 once you started? 18 at this time. But like when you actually started working? 18 as well. I turned 19 when I was in tech school. Got it.

So the timeline of this is I signed that job. The job I ended up picking was a cyber transporter. That's a very Air Force-y way of saying network engineer. Which in English? That means we work with enterprise-grade networking. All right. was a cyber transporter that's a very air forcey way of saying network engineer which in english that means uh we work with enterprise grade networking all right english not japanese got it got it got it so we make computers uh talk and share information between one another on an enterprise level meaning instead of 10 computers talking to one another we make 200 or 500 computers talk to one now how Now, how does that work?

Like, is that as simple as coding something in there? You use devices like routers and switches to make it work. So we were trained how to do that on an Air Force-wide level. So my job in the Air Force was to make all the computers on an Air Force installation share information with one another and also share it uh securely in an encrypted fashion oh now is this the thing i think we were talking about this when we were on the phone and you might have mentioned it today so tell me if i'm way off base but you were saying as a part of i think it was this job you would it would be a main facet on a day-to-day where you would be instantly translating radar transmissions from active planes and helicopter apaches and stuff to be able to have it live stream for the generals

on the ground who could view exactly what the pilot was viewing to ensure that any targets that were taken out were what they wanted and give the green light that job that i did uh came after my time in the air force okay so that's did i i skipped ahead i'm sorry no you're more than good so i was a cyber transporter for about four years in the air force and just to give some context to any military guys that are listening uh most cyber transporters they get assigned to uh air or excuse me they get assigned to uh cyber squadrons or communication squadrons, these are squadrons that are responsible for exactly what I was talking about making sure all the computers on an Air Force Base are secure and share information correctly between

one another. When I was in tech school, and I had orders cut, which is where it's a big deal, because you're learning where you're going to spend the next three years of your life, I was assigned to an aircraft maintenance squadron. And I thought it was some sort of mess up on their part. So I marched to the, marched to the MTL and say, Hey, sir, you know, I think there's a problem here. And he says, No, you're going exactly where you need to go. Trenton Larkin Have a written out report like that? Jason Richards Turns out,

Trenton Larkin Yes, yes, you did. Jason Richards Yeah, turns out, the assets that I was working on, even though they were cyber assets, or communication assets, the Air Force viewed them as aircraft components. And that's unfortunately all I can say about it. But I can say it was an RPA program that I worked and that we worked specifically with collecting intelligence on adversaries that at the time were in the desert. So the global war on terror was still occurring and then uh near peer threats so you've had other guests on the podcast that have talked about who those people are or who those who those nations would you say it was near near peer threats meaning threats that

are near the capabilities of the united states uh but not at the capability of the united states oh i think i follow that yep so we would collect intelligence on them i did that for three years while i was in the air force and then um when i got out i was well wait a second let's stay there and i want to make sure i get this so when you're collecting intelligence on them you're at your desk on the base because when you were in the air force that's when you were domestic and when then when you were a defense contractor afterwards that's when you went abroad right that's when i stepped up okay so when you're in the air force and you're working what was your base so unfortunately i can't say where exactly no okay no problem so some base in the us or somewhere yep and you'd be collecting intelligence how would you go get that and what

was your role in collecting that intelligence our piece of the pie was i was a computer guy so i would make sure all the all the computer assets were working correctly and because they were aircraft components uh the training that i received when i was actually in tech school or the the pipeline where i learned how to actually do this job um it was very different for how the air force views maintaining communication assets meaning the the the training mentality that was apparent for most cyber guys was not apparent in the maintenance world and what i mean by that is the air force really cares about how planes are how planes take off and land perfectly every time yeah meaning uh they really care about assets landing and launching perfectly.

If that doesn't happen, people start dying. So I had to make sure that all the communication assets and all the equipment that I was working on, that it was documented correctly and maintained correctly. That framework was not trained to me in the training that I received in technical school. I had to learn that being in a maintenance squadron. So my piece of the pie was when all these communication assets would break or needed service, I was the person that would actually fix them. I would then hand that equipment off to the ops team. This is the sensor operators, the pilots that actually fly these assets and do the collecting themselves. We would work in tandem with one another. Got it. Okay. So there's a lot going on when you were over

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And once I finished up my enlistment with the Air Force, I had a burning desire to do more. So I love the time when I was in. I met a bunch of incredible, amazing people. But some of the deployments that I went on, I'm going to steal a very good way of describing it and i just had this burning desire to do more i wanted blackhawk rides i wanted plate carriers i wanted rip it i wanted copenhagen and specifically which rip it rip it is a uh for any of the g walk guys that are listening they are g walk guys global war on terror oh you have a there's an acronym for that yep no okay so they are these little uh deployable energy drinks that the u.s government buys they're like an off-brand monster and they airdrop them to all all the guys that are in forward deployed environments in afghanistan or iraq just as a caffeine morale booster so uh probably like cocaine or some shit

they have kind of become a little meme like the the slogan of the company uh was memed as hey this is the official energy drink of war oh so they were nice they would always pair drop these little energy drinks to guys that were deployed fucking dwight eisenhower's rolling over in his grave this is what he was what he's worried about energy drinks and war zones baby so i wanted that and i just the mission that i had in the air force didn't allow me to do that so one of my favorite parts about the defense sector or the military industrial complex was i felt as though that the control was put back in my life i could only apply to jobs or i only wanted to apply to jobs that were specifically in places like

afghanistan iraq and syria so when you go to a okay i, and Syria. So when you go to – okay, I didn't really know that. When you go to apply for jobs, they'll tell you on some of these high-level private sector, government-related shit, they'll tell you exactly where you're going to be before you apply. Depending on the contract, I made it a point to only apply to certain jobs that were applicable to this particular region but there are contracts everywhere you can get a job uh in florida or in germany i was only applying to these specific jobs because it was where specifically i wanted to go you wanted to be in the middle of the yep you had done the domestic part you wanted to be over there i wanted more and did you want did you want like action too

or were you looking to take your skill set and just be on ground over there with the guys who were on ground quite honestly I wanted all of it I wanted to make more money I wanted to be in a four deployed environment I wanted to eat mres I wanted to live in an austere austere environment for months at a time um one of my favorite parts about this job was as an FSR or an ambassador to the company that I worked for, you are tech support. So when the system breaks, there's no back infrastructure. No geek squad? No, you're it. Shit. So you have to fix the assets when they break. I mean, how many people are on your team doing that with you? We worked in two man pairs. So it was me and another guy. We would typically work days and nights, and I spent close to three years doing that job.

Were you on bases when you were doing this? Were you in offices? What was the layout? So I'll break it down even further. When you're in a deployed world, the first – we'll take Afghanistan, for example, because no one's there anymore, unfortunately. The big logistical hub was Bagram. Bagram is where, hey, if you're getting deployed to Afghanistan, you're going to fly here, touchdown, drop bags. And it's the big logistical base that everything breaks off into.

So beyond Afghanistan, there are more forward bases called FOBs or forward operating bases. These are touch-off points where units sit and can do missions in the local area. Even smaller places are called COPs, which is combat outposts, or fire bases, where even smaller units sit on, where they can even more remotely go into the local villages, do missions from that point. And all these locations are scattered all throughout,

in this case, Afghanistan. What I would do is I would fly around between all these locations and fix these systems that were breaking now what years is this approximately this is so I got on 2019 and then I did this tool a year ago so you were doing this after the fall of Afghanistan yes okay so let's start with Afghanistan though because that's what you were talking about. Yep. How, what was especially towards the end there, then? What was security like for that? I mean, and how were you? Did you have military support going from place to place

to place? Like, what did this look like? Anytime we would move, we obviously had military support with us, because we had to make sure that all Americans were protected and safe. My job in the four deployed situations were, I'll give you an example, because Afghanistan has a lot of bounds in it. It makes our systems very difficult from a line of sight perspective to get links or to get a handshake between other systems. Meaning our systems were based on line of sight systems meaning one piece of equipment had to see another piece of equipment and the topography of afghanistan made that very difficult because of the mountains in the region so uh one of the ground commanders one of the guys our customer that we were working for directly wanted coverage in a particular region that we didn't have so i came to him hey, sir, I know you want to run missions

out of this particular part of Afghanistan, but we don't have coverage here. If you give me a Chinook and load it with the equipment, I can build you a remote site out of this fire base, have that site link back to our main base in this part, and we can get handshake between these two nodes or satellite hubs, and you can run missions out of here. This is the crazy part to me, and guys like me who have never been over there these two nodes or satellite hubs and you can run missions out of here.

This is the crazy part to me and guys like me who've never been over there and just, you know, hear the broad stories about what happens, but all the little things on the ground of just like going and installing something like that. I mean, you could be installing that in the middle of some village somewhere where God knows what people there are like you and what people don't, you know, like these are all in a way you're constantly, I mean, it's, it's technically still a war zone at that point, clearly. So you are constantly in a life and death situation to set up tech in this case. You know, it's like, I made the G the geek squad joke a couple minutes ago, but it's like, you're doing that at a way higher level. And like, you're in the middle of a war zone pressures on crazy No, I loved every second of it

Quite honestly, man Um, if I can be a little humorous here when I when I had this job described to me or I got the elevator pitch For this job. I must have had a hard-on for a week Like I just I loved every single Facet about it. The whole purpose of the system was we would take a video feed coming from fast-moving aircraft, meaning F-16s, A-10, or an AWT, an air weapons team, which is a fancy way of saying an Apache helicopter. All these aircraft have what are called pods on them. Pods is they're the very high-tech camera systems that actually sit on these aircraft.

And my system would touch in or get handshake to these pod systems. So the team on the ground could see in real time what the pilot was seeing. And what this does from a capabilities perspective is it gives the ground commander or the ground team the ability to see in real time what the pilot is seeing. What this does is it gives the jtac or the four deployed controller this is the person who's actually talking to the plane in the air telling him where where to fly and what people to kill he can see what the pilot is seeing so it gives everybody a better understanding and a better picture of what's going on yeah i i mean there's just so many

my head hurts when i start thinking about this and how many how many pieces went into this because then you see like for example what the end in afghanistan was and how you left all this shit behind there it was obviously a clusterfuck of a pullout and you know it's it was a culmination of a failure of a of a 20-year war because we we essentially took our eye off the ball with once Iraq happened in 03 things were probably going pretty well frankly for the most part in Afghanistan before that and then it was kind of like it sucks to say this but in the war game of life it was like the red-headed stepchild war like oh yeah that one you know what I mean and so you had some great resources in there but your heaviest resources were put into other places. The focus of the

public came off it. And all the while, you still have a crazy leadership of the Taliban who just went into the woods and into the mountains and started to rebuild. And in this country, in America, we only think about tomorrow. we think about maybe next week right when you look at other countries around the world for better or worse depending on where it is they're thinking about 10 years from now they're thinking about 20 years from now and that is what that is what the Taliban did and so as a guy who was there uniquely for the end of this part you know first of all were you on the ground when the pullout happened were you still there no uh in this case i was actually in between deployments i was supposed to be at bagram when this was happening how long before that did you leave

two months so not long no it was it was pretty quick and you the announcement the earliest announcements that like oh this is reality were in March of that year, I think. The crazy part and I think logistical failure is how quickly it happened. Yes. Everything was just, in my opinion, left without proper documentation and proper processes of bringing all the equipment and all the arms and the shitheads that were trying to kill us were shooting at us with weapons systems that the Russians left from a previous war. And now if you see video footage of the Taliban has now all their kit and all their rifles and all their equipment is leftover American military equipment. History has literally repeated itself it happens to do that in that country a lot yep when you look at when you look at world history and empires there's a reason they say like empires fall in afghanistan but you know when you left bagram in between deployments i guess that was like june or something so it was two months before did you as you were leaving did you think like oh this is gonna be the last time i'm here no i was just trying to get home at the time everything happened so quickly i actually had orders or i was supposed to be in syria

following that um but it just it was a catastrophic failure from a leadership perspective in my opinion and then just a logistical perspective like how much equipment was left behind how quickly we left the real failure in my opinion and this is just my personal experiences just seeing this was there was a disconnect between what was actually happening on the ground and what was being briefed in washington and i don't know if that was a choice that information was being left out or people were hearing relevant information and choosing not to believe it here's what i mean by that so we would work our whole mission where we would we would support the ana or the afghanistan national army this is the army

that the american military spent tax dollars and money and training uh training and equipping to fight the taliban on our behalf the whole mission being hey these individuals are going to fight the war for us so that someone from arkansas a 19 year old kid from arkansas doesn't have to die in this war anymore so when you would meet these individuals you would see the disparity between the american military and the military of a third world country even with american tax dollars behind it so in our case we were doing tick response which means troops in contact anytime an a a element would get ticked up meaning they would take contact from um taliban forces they would request whatever air assets we were

allocated so whether that's an f-16 or an apache they would request air support hey we're getting shot at we would fly over that asset kill all the taliban and then everybody got home safe so the end state was that the ana or the afghanistan national army would eventually take over this mission but when you would see these people and you would see what day to day life looks looks like for them, you would know that that would never be the case. These individuals in many cases were high. Yeah, they were on drugs most of the time. These individuals would have what are called NDs or negligent

negligent discharges, meaning they would just pop off rounds next to you because of how just untrained they were with their weapons. No military bearing. Just there was a big disparity between American standards and the standards of the ANA. It seemed like a part of the problem was the system that ended up getting set up felt like hired guns that another country was setting up as their own little personal science project. And the people it was attracting were not people who were doing it for any type of patriotic cause. Right? Like you talked about your reason to want to serve here.

It's a lot of the same types of reasons that a lot of people who, not everyone, but a lot of people go into the military about. They want to serve their country. There's a higher calling with it. Even I think it was Vice did some little docuseries. I think it was them on some of the train. What was it? A&A? A&A. On exactly that, like some of the train Afghanistan armies before anything fell. And it's like, oh, this is hopeless. It's exactly as you described it. I mean, it wasn't, there no There was no zest for or or a higher calling for what they were doing I think what this boils down to is we were kind of talking about Wolverine a minute ago The reason why that war was as successful as it was and the reason why the timelines were so much shorter We're talking about a global war that lasted four years versus the G watt which lasted two decades

Was America was all in on the conflict. Meaning there was a draft going on. Every dollar that was spent in the United States went directly to the war effort. There was no plan B. There was, we're going to win this and no one's coming home until we do. This was some war that was just kicked down the road over, the can was kicked down the road over the period of 20 years. And this thing just snowballed from, hey, we have to get the people that are responsible for 9-11 into, hey, now we have to turn Afghanistan into a nation where it is a third world country, but we're going to bring it into the first world. And we're going to make sure that 9-11 never happens again because of the American support and the democratic values that are now established in afghanistan and that's where the problems exist because taking people that uh are living from a technological perspective a long time ago from a cultural perspective uh in the stone ages in many cases um it's very it takes

a long time and it takes a lot of resources and the american the american public just doesn't have the stomach for that how would you have done it so you like we said you had heard at least that there was the plan to pull out which a lot of presidents had said before and never done so it might have been like a false flag in some in some ways for guys who are on the ground like yeah okay i'll believe this when i see it sure but once it once it's actually going down obviously it was a cluster that's been established but how could you have done it where it wasn't considering the fact that at that point the ship had sailed on the whole oh we beat the taliban the taliban was very much going to win on a percentage basis and the afghan government had already failed i would say

the commitment to define goals from the beginning need to be established. What do you mean by that? Okay. I'll tell a quick story that kind of embodies this point. We did surveillance on a particular area. And in this particular area, we found a defensive position where the Taliban would kill everybody in this particular valley. So ANA troops would roll by in their convoys and they would get ticked up from, uh, this defensive position at the top of this Hill. So being the motivated Americans that we are, we put up a strike package for that particular position. Hey, we want to put a JDM on this yesterday, blow it up.

A what? A JDM is a big missile. So we wanted to remove that position because it would make everybody safer. So we put up the strike package, got everything signed off. That particular strike package got shot down because that particular position was close to an Afghanistan cemetery. And for cultural reasons, we couldn't blow up that position. in our minds what we viewed that as was hey the American government cares more about dead Afghans than they do alive ones at this particular moment why are we here in the first place these people the the Taliban guys who would shoot it shoot it guys they would retrograde or retreat to mosques

every time they would try to shoot at either civilians or American forces cover they knew the American military wouldn't blow up a religious site and World War two that wasn't the case anywhere. There was a Nazi. We would shoot and kill them. Here's the difference though There's global communication and there's an ability to to Propagandize anything sure and the minute, you know it just as well as I do the minute we nuke a mosque or something Oh, that's getting out. That's gonna be a problem This is what we're talking about. What we're to timeframe. The mentality was if we don't do this that's happening here and The Japanese and the Germans they don't care what I'm not saying. I'm not saying you're wrong I I think you're I think you're a hundred percent right about that

I'm saying that unfortunately we live in a world now where we are already in places we shouldn't be in. And you know what, if you want to blame some of this on Iraq, go ahead, because that's true. Like that was some Halliburton bullshit going in there. So once you already went in and fucked up all those people's lives, like, if you watch documentaries of people from Iraq, who talk about Iraq under Saddam before then, where – he was a horrible guy and there was some terrible shit going on. But like as far as like day-to-day life, if you didn't get too involved with stuff, like they had some normalcy. And then it was stripped from them and it's this crazy sectarian fucking hellhole because of us going in there for no reason. So once we do that, fuck wherever it is, Afghanistan, Iraq, wherever, somewhere in the Middle East, the minute we start not appreciating certain cultural norms, they will use it against us. It's the same reason that they literally technically gave like Osama bin Laden an actual proper burial so that no one could hit them on it. And like as much as like I'd like to see them fucking throw his body wherever the fuck it is I understand why they did that, you know, so I understand this mentality But I also get why that's very frustrating for the guys like you on the ground who are trying to do the job to me This is a shit or a fart situation. You're kind of fucked either way And this is where it gets into the area of hey should guys even go in the first place?

Cuz okay all these poor guys, like, I was a lucky one, man. Like, I have all my fingers and all my toes, and I came back safely. There are guys that didn't. And I did so as a defense contractor, man. Like, I was not serving when I was over there. There are kids that gave life and limb for this country. And we're men that were doing it.

And the sad part is, after all the American lives and treasure that were spent in this particular region, it all fell apart in three weeks. And it makes you wonder, okay, was all that sacrifice even worth it in the first place? And arguably, now the Taliban is more trained and equipped today than they were 20 years ago, because of all the weapon systems that we left over.

So, how I feel about it is if you're not willing to stomach the horrible atrocities that are involved in war don't go in the first place mmm because American American lives are gonna be spent in in the process and if you're not willing to to accept the burden that comes along with war don't ask people to go how do you feel about the Ukraine thing going on and in all honesty the fact that we have not and I grateful for this, and I hope it stays this way, but we haven't technically put boots on the ground. But there are a lot of people, I think, who, some of whom have great intentions, who call for certain things and actions that are full-blown crazy acts of war that would require us to go put our people on the ground what did what did guys like you or just speak for yourself like what do you what goes through your head when

you see that knowing the realities there's uh two points that i feel about first is i'm just sad at the lives that are lost obviously the innocent people that are losing their lives every day the innocent men women and children that have died because of russian aggression in the region um but beyond that i am sad that america has lost influence to the point where we used to be in a place geopolitically where we could stop that from occurring in the first place because of the overwhelming force and might of the american military meaning okay the term pax americana i don't know if you've ever heard this term before it's the idea that hey we don't invade nations in seeking territorial gain or conquest post-world war ii because if that happens America will come to your shoreline and put a stop to it that is not the case anymore

we are now living in a world where Russia has invaded the Ukraine for exactly that seeking territorial gain and there are not american forces on the ground stopping that from even occurring so is it a big ass to ask american young service members to go and die in a nation that is not theirs yes absolutely however i think on a long enough timeline the world is a safer place because uh america has the might to stop it from even occurring so So you would you would simply I have long said I have supported Americans being prevalent in the region because on a longer timeline it would save more lives and that's a big ass

system for the American people but to give an example post-world War two the world has been more at peace than it has ever been and that is because America has been in the leading position from a geopolitical perspective to even patrol the seas in the first place, make sure trade happens accordingly. To be honest, make sure trade happens in a way that is beneficial to us, because obviously we want the world to go in the direction that we want it to go in. But democratic values, the idea of people being more free than they ever have been more safe than they ever have been that has been the case post post-world war ii because of the allied victory we are now i feel in the transition period of that where world leaders are now challenging the american empire and the

the established norms that have been around since world war ii and you're seeing that now you're seeing more chinese aggression from all the chinese assets that are overhead that we're not being spied on um you're seeing that from a russian perspective with this whole ukraine situation i think the cage is being shook a little bit and the world is looking at america to see what our response is going to be to it did you happen to see jack murphy's report on the sleeper cell missions occurring in Russia no I have not it's flew under the radar a little bit because he he was supposed to be reporting it with a major let's say news outlet he got very uncomfortable with some of the interference let's call it from aspects of the government in trying to get this out.

So he ended up reporting it on his own. But it's an amazing report that people should read. He's the host of – one of the two hosts of the Team House podcast, which covers like a lot of geopolitical stuff through like the lens of like CIA and some of the other agencies and the military because he had a military background. But my friend Danny actually brought him on the show on on concrete and he walked people through what this was and it's just what you just said there is making me think of this because you're talking about pax americana as the u.s military coming to your border to and reinforce this or something like that and we can get really deep on this so let's do it but i bring up his report because i think if you look at afghanistan post 9-11 actually right after that's where warfare

and how we carry that out in some ways change forever because yes did we send the military there absolutely but who was running that the cia paramilitary on the ground was doing it and you had like badass black ops officers in little teeny clusters like going out into the country with big bags of cash whatever you need getting the people that they need on their side and kind of destroying the taliban from within and it was excellent, like I had said earlier, for a while. Jack Murphy's report, to loop that in, basically said that the United States had set up

the CIA in conjunction with another intelligence service in Europe who he did not name, he made the election not to do that, had set up literal sleeper cells in like the late 2000s. So this is straight out of this they need to make a movie out of this but you've seen like those bombings on the bridges and stuff and then

some of the buildings in russia like where they make shit or government buildings that is the cia pulling off some fucking amazing shit if i may say i know they don't like the people who found out about that that's kind of the idea for part of it but like it's great work where they have been sabotaging from the other side of the border without putting our troops on the border per se sure they've been sabotaging the russian effort and these sleeper cells it's fucking crazy man that they would be various people i it sounds to me like they'd be regular russian people who they recruited as well as some foreigners who they sent in there, and they don't do anything. So let's say they sent them there in like 2009, 2010. These people know their mission, and they are literally a sleeper cell, meaning they go about their life.

They have their business. They have no communication with intelligence services they have bombs buried in random fucking coordinates in the woods and the minute they get some morse code signal which they got in 2022 at some point they don't have to be told anything and they go there and they fucking take care of business and so when you're talking about putting the the boots on the ground it seems to me on the basis of the fact that yes this is a terrible war that's going on and i'd like to see it come to a close here and i agree that obviously putin's a horrible guy and what he's done is kind of unfathomable but you see that we have managed to help between funding which people have questions about that that's fair but with some of the intelligence operations where we are effectively doing this

with some covert nature and putin hasn't taken over ukraine which people thought he was going to take in like two days so does that if you i guess the overall question is i wanted to give the full context so you could actually play with it but is that kind of accomplishing what you'd like to see accomplish if that ends up working in the long run here okay uh the military term with this is anytime you take an effect or anytime you make a decision point you have primary effects that occur directly after whatever mission you take place then you have what are called secondary and tertiary effects meaning effects that don't take into effect immediately but maybe

a year or two or decades after an example of this specific to Afghanistan was When the Russians or the USSR at the time was in Afghanistan We were funding direct paramilitary groups that at the time we were calling freedom fighters to shoot at the Russians The enemy of my enemy is my friend Yes So I'm going to fund these groups directly give them arms and equipment and training and in many cases american support to shoot at the russians because we cannot shoot at them directly because then the whole balloon goes up then world war iii kicks off right okay so that works out in our favor in night in the 1980s when this is occurring what happens 20 years later bin laden when those same

paramilitary groups all of a sudden go hey i have all this training and equipment now now i'm not a fan of the americans anymore we're gonna hop in some airplanes and do some damage to these colonialists so when it's americans that are the ones that are solving the issues and it's the american lives and treasure that are being spent the best desired end state occurs and that's a big ask of the american public but But if you look at World War two the reason why Germany and Japan and even Korea following directly after World War two Happened in the best way possible was because you had American intervention and American conventional forces and an American mission driving an American end state Do you view?

the potential of let's say the threat of just russia leave china out of it for a second okay and i know that there's ties there and everything but let's just focus on russia because that's technically you know they're the ones doing the war in ukraine do you view the burgeoning threat of that like say they take a piece of uk, just a piece of it. Is it on the same wavelength for you as like the rise of Hitler in the 1930s? I see the parallels. And more than that, I am scared of the precedent that it sets. So if we as a world say, okay, it's okay to invade countries and take territory. Taiwan is next. And there are normal people there that have

normal lives and are good people that are worried about their lives and their safety. And there's this domino effect that I feel will take place if we as a world and as a nation say, okay, we're going to give this little sliver of the Ukraine to the Russians and they'll stop in the same way that we said to Hitler, Hey, if you take this little sliver of this particular country you'll stop after this we'll we'll impose this policy of appeasement he'll stop after he has these these tiny pieces of territory and he didn't and it ultimately led into the world war yeah one of the things that i don't really buy in this argument is when people try to blame the whole thing on nato and they try to say like oh

well we were being careless on his borders and putting shit there which i'm not saying there wasn't carelessness there definitely was but it's like there's a huge difference between having a few ever so slightly aggressive postures and then someone invading an entire sovereign nation, right? Like those are two very different things to me. And so while there were communication fuck ups and carelessness and things like that, I just I cannot for the life of me understand why Putin would do this because it is the catalyst event that has really now cut off the east from the west because now as you just said yourself people are tying in china to this and the precedents and we see that china and russia you know they're trying not to be overly public about it but you know they're right next to each other some oil go back and forth some other shit and now you have the west all kind of lining up saying, ooh, let's draw the iron curtain line around those countries. And you potentially are going to have a way bigger problem.

Knock on wood. Hope that doesn't happen. So when I hear your precedent argument, I understand it. And there's a lot of people right now who are going to be in the YouTube comments like this guy military industrial complex whatever i appreciate you you're calling it as you see it and you don't have an agenda with this i get that but you also have talked with me on the phone a little bit when we were talking like a month ago you had mentioned that you do look at the military industrial complex and that there's some things where and correct me if i'm paraphrasing you wrong here but there's some things where it's like yeah why the fuck do we do that or why why are we

constantly cycling to do this this or that and basically making full industries out of this despite the fact that you're you're from the industry and like you enjoyed your time like how do you balance that with constantly finding the latest war and saying, well, if we don't do it, it's going to be a precedent. So I have a unique perspective with this because I have been on both sides of the military and industrial complex. I've been in the military and I've been a defense contractor as well. So I've seen... It won't take long to tell you Neutral's ingredients.

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is, but actually living in it is giving me an interesting perspective to how the inner workings of it actually function. So what I have seen from, we'll take the tech piece specifically, a lot of the world changing technologies that make our way into our lives, a lot of the time, an overwhelming majority of the time, those technologies start as military technologies. I'll give an example. GPS technologies is a phenomenal example of this. During the Gulf War, during the invasion of the Gulf in the early 90s, GPS technology was a military application that allowed allied forces or U.S. military forces to navigate and maneuver in sandstorms. So the GIs that were deployed there, the sandstorms that were apparent during their convoys, they were so thick that they could put out their hands and they couldn't see in front of them, but we could still fire and maneuver with whatever tanks or convoys we were running at the time. That was coming from a military system of

satellites where assets on the ground would talk to those satellites and give you a GPS map that would show you where to drive. So the application started from a military need. Once the military need was accomplished, it then trickled its way down into the civilian sector. I have seen that pattern over and over and over again. So I think the military funds the military with the funding package that it does from a protection standpoint, but it also is from an investment standpoint as well. Another example of this would be, we'll take my jobs specifically, network engineering or enterprise grade networking, how the internet works as a whole started as a military technology. We had intercontinental

ballistic missile silos that all had to talk and share and communicate information between one another. So the US government funded a bunch of really smart people to develop a system where all these remote sites could talk and share and communicate with one another. That became the framework for the internet. You see this pattern over and over again from GPS to satellites to radios to Any groundbreaking AI technology a lot of it is funded by the military or by the DoD in the first place So do you think this is a really interesting? I'm not sure if I've heard someone articulate it down to this exact Logical reason but are you saying that if we didn't have? if I've heard someone articulate it down to this exact logical reason.

But are you saying that if we didn't have the desperation that national security or needs desire, and therefore also, I mean, let's call it what it is, when you're in the government and you're working high up in the CIA or something, and you call up Steve Jobs and say, Steve, we got guys out in Afghanistan who have a problem. Steve's going to want to help, right? He's going to put his best people on it and wants to keep the government happy. Are you saying that if we didn't have that trickle-down system where it actually has some honesty to it as well because people do want to help, we would not have the desperation of the innovation that then drives the broad innovations that we all enjoy today later than say the government had it war drives innovation it always has oh boy so another example of this would be just the idea that all these

systems they they came from the military because the need was more pressing for it almost immediately hey uh it's american joes that are dying right now this problem has to get solved yesterday once that need is met and fixed it then makes its way into the civilian market I've seen that pattern over and over and over again Can we take a silo on this real quick, of course How much technology exists that we have no fucking idea about that's Beyond our wildest imaginations right now? I never worked in this agency. I've just heard about it.

Allegedly. The agency that you're talking about is DARPA. DARPA funds crazy ideas and has American tax dollar support behind it to create big groundbreaking technological innovations from a military perspective or a military application. Of those ideas ideas like anything 99 of them turn out to not even being be compatible in the first place one percent make it to market and the reason why the military industrial complex exists in the

first place is because often the military and the government can't pay to hire the best engineers to design these products in the first place so the best way to look at this is to understand anything you have to understand the money behind it if you view all the things i'm talking about the tanks the c-130s the the satellite systems if you view them as products that are sold to the u.s government this starts making a lot more sense so the u.s government will never be able to hire the best people and pay them the best salaries to design all this stuff we need to hire guys like steve jobs who have the payroll to pay the really smart people to build these systems once they're built they can then be sold to the

us government and the the maintenance and troubleshooting and support can be sold with them so the reason why all these big defense contractor companies exist in the first place, the the Raytheon, the L three Harris, the Boeings, they sell products to the US government. And oftentimes, those products have a military application first, give it 10 or 20 years, they'll be in your pocket. So 10 or 20. But that's the thing, like, you can only concept what you know, right? So I know an iPhone. I know a nice MacBook with 64 RAM on it, right?

What though – you know what? Here's a good example. What about that guy David Fravor? You and I were talking about that very briefly before we were on camera today. He's the one who – he's the Navy fighter pilot who not only witnessed but provided evidence for it took the radar satellite images of the tic tacs the little crafts that were flying around his his his jet that were making motions that are not of the universe that we know and what i really like about that guy is he's so like here's the

here's the thing i was looking at here's what i saw you tell me and he's like seems like it's not from this universe but hypothetically it also could be you know some form of crazy i guess technology we don't know about if that's the case that technology i mean i don't know how to put years on it to be honest but that seems seems a hundred years ahead i've never seen anything like it and what's crazy about him is he is a trained observer he's a naval aviator who um has years of aviation experience and millions of dollars worth of training put into him through the dod and through through the navy specifically and when that guy is saying i don't know or i have never seen anything that looks remotely close to our capabilities as a nation it makes me wonder wow i don't know if there's a human element that's behind that or if that really is ufos or some extraterrestrial force that we are seeing unfold

in front of us and when we were kind of joking about it when it's not a redneck in the woods with an iphone saying hey look at what I saw when it's a Navy pilot saying, Hey, I saw some shit and I don't know what it is exactly. It makes you wonder what it is. Yeah. Yeah. And I think some of those questions, unfortunately, I hope I'm wrong. I don't know if we'll ever get answered, but you know, you mentioned DARPA and the kind of shit that they do over there. That's, that is is an an agency that i know so little about you know i haven't sat there and read the long books on it or anything it's it's a very new territory for me i know i guess more about the cia but there's a lot i don't know there obviously

but when you look at what their resource resources are at darpa like do you have any idea for example like how big they are like any idea how many people are in that? No, it's kind of putting you on the spot I know they have a lot of funding and I know they have really smart people working for them and the reason for that At least I feel is because the reason why the US military has the capabilities that it does is because we at the end of The day are the ones that are the pioneers of these weapon systems all the groundbreaking technology hopefully comes from us first so we're the ones that are driving the innovation we're the ones that get the capability that comes along with it first we're the ones

that that have the ability to employ those weapon systems against our enemies we will always have an advantage and what i have seen that's scaring me we talked about the changing geo politics that are occurring the gap between the united states from a military capabilities perspective and the gap between our near-peer threats that we were talking about russia china that gap is closing really well the gap is closing because those near-peer threats are taking risks that they wouldn't take previously. How so? Look at the war in the Ukraine. Oh, but that's a tactical risk.

You're talking about capabilities, though. So the Chinese, in my opinion, we're in a Cold War with them right now. Yeah, but this is the one thing that makes me feel good about china talking with a lot of other military guys maybe you know some stuff that i haven't heard from other guys because i'm just hearing it secondhand but like china's military sucks apparently sure and like a perfect garbage a perfect example of this is okay when we want to collect on a near peer threat we'll toss up a 40 million dollar asset that you can't even see with a naked eye or a really powerful telescope and collect intelligence on you like a balloon when they want to collect on us they toss up a weather balloon with some cameras duct tape to it they do it right so there's obviously there's a disparity but the chinese model is hey we're

going to steal all the ip information from the united states we're gonna make our cruddy version of it and try to employ it against the united states but if if china continues to advance in the direction that it's advancing in from an economic standpoint where the gap between the united states and the chinese economically is closing it creates uh challenges for the United States because what drives the innovation with all the things we're talking about is dollars and cents is money if We don't have the resources and the money to even budget to the giant defense budget of the United States has If China has more has deeper pockets than us it it drives all the innovation that we're talking about Well, that's the thing that they do that scares me that they do, unfortunately, a great job right now of is influencing countries around the world by buying up their ports and stuff. Right.

They are phenomenal at economic influence and they just cheat with all their money. I mean, I'm way oversimplifying it right now. Sure. So don't yell at me. But, you know, they're able to cheat with their currency and shit to to be able to just fund that they know countries are never going to be able to pay back and then own them you know and and they've done it we've looked at it on podcasts they've done it all over the place and and it is a concern but like this is the same country though where you know for all the complaints people want to bitch about here, whether you're left or right, and you just want to fight about stuff, at the end of the day, like, we have and enjoy the best freedoms in the world.

I mean, it's an amazing place, and, you know, we've got to stop fighting so much. But, you know, there's a lot of good right now. We're having a tough moment politically, but there's a lot of good. When you look at China that has whatever it is, 1.3, 1.4 billion people, a lot of them are starving. The Chinese government – and this needs – people don't say this enough. There is only – I think it's – I hope I remember the number correctly, so correct me in the comments. If it's wrong, I'll check it in a minute, but something like 6.9% of the country, that's it, is a member of the Communist Party. Right, so you're talking about a minority of people who are holding fist power over everybody else. And you see a lot of these poor Chinese people who are living in these crowded cities and stuff. They have no money or they live out and they work horrible long day jobs and they have no freedoms you know they don't have some of the say even comfort that we have here they don't enjoy that and so you have a government now that's facing some problems that like that guy peter zahan points out with demographics where

people you know they're not having kids and you have a lot of people who you know you may have that big population but only a portion of it is contributing to things so for example and the reason i started this little tangent is because when you look at their military some of the people they're filling this out with they want nothing to do with it they don't have the patriotic sense that you did because they fucking hate what this shit stands for i saw something the other day and please verify this one as well but they had to install bombs i guess you call it inside the helmets of chinese pilots that the people on the ground the generals control because too many of them were fucking flying somewhere

else and like getting the fuck out of china i mean that's not like i have maps behind you if you look i'll put it in the corner of the screen this is very quickly I just googled this so other people again please google stuff like this check stuff like this but like Chinese military bases around the world yeah there's a few now look at the U.S. military bases around the world there's fucking I don't even know how many that is you know what I mean so when I see this I like that I'm like agreed you know this is I can complain about the military industrial complex but from a safety perspective i'm like okay all right we're doing all right here's the part that worries me about that 20 years ago there were no

dots on that map for china for china yeah no that's fair that's a fair word so like okay i've long been called the bullish optimist in the room um my perspective with this is i think the ccp might be the greatest thing to happen to the United States in recent decades. And what I mean by that is, okay, America tends to come together when there is some sort of common enemy that we can all rally behind. And I think it might just be the great uniter that unites the country. An example of that is, okay, from a political perspective, I would describe myself as just right of center um a conservative libertarian is a very good way of describing me um however if i uh am talking or hold a conversation

with a person who has extremely liberal views or prioritizes things like gender equality and uh liberty for everybody or classical liberal values if that person has daughters or grandchildren, you would hope that they live in a world where America is always the leading force behind that world. Because in China, no one has rights, least of all the women. We want to make sure that the world lives, that we share a world that values things like democracy, liberty, gender equality, fairness, and equitable resources for almost everybody. Those are values that America falls short of in many cases, but we're attempting to provide those values to everybody in the first place.

Places like China and places like Russia don't care about any of those things. So if your problem is with the United States having the military industrial complex or the reach and influence that the American military has the reason why we get to enjoy all the wonderful things that you just listed off is because of the safety that the american military provides and if we don't have that framework established one of my favorite quotes is power is never uh created or destroyed is only transferred there's a a finite amount of power. If we lose influence in the world, our near peer threats, China and Russia,

start gaining power and influence. And in their culture, all the things that are very important to more liberal minded people are not at all a priority to those nations. I think, and I'm trying to pull up some of that data that I was talking about. So again, check me in the comments on that.

But this is like the ultimate conundrum you bring up. Because, and I hear you. I mean, you heard me say at the end of that, I was like, I kind of like this, that we have that. But I'm also then saying like, oh, I love the military industrial complex, which I don't. And it's one of those situations where there's a psychological paradox the people who profit off of that and are part of it if you want to call it all the way maybe like the war machine or something like that they can sit there and say oh you enjoy all this stuff because we have it that's why we need it you're going to be on on patriotic if if if you speak against it to then continue to enable all the extra shit that they do because

no one ever lives here in the middle they either live here or here you know zero or a hundred and so they get to keep going a hundred but if you then say oh don't get involved at all pull off be an isolationist which i'm not for at all. Well, now you're at zero and now we're fucked, right? Because now there's none of those values are going anywhere in the world and you are separating from the world. So it constantly feels like a situation to me. I truly believe in, I talk about all the time in the concept of the law of physics, which is law in that world, but I think it's a law for everything else,

where it says for every action, there's an equal but opposite reaction and it goes to show you the answer lies in the middle on most of these things like i want to go 50 miles an hour not zero or 100 but no one wants to go 50 because it's not the fun exciting thing to do it's not the thing people can fight about and so when we get into these conversations you're such a level-headed guy that's why i appreciate it of course you know there's a lot of people who have to pound the table with and you're just saying look this is how i see it this is what it is and so like if there's going to be people who maybe lean one way on that as you do for some things at least well i would appreciate if it's more people like you having that conversation rather than some of the i do when i see when

i turn on tv you know well like okay we talked about hey i saw what the reality of the shit I do when I see when I turn on TV, you know? Well, like, okay, we talked about, hey, I saw what the reality of the military industrial complex is. That map that you just pulled up, all those U.S. military bases. If we want to continue to have that kind of support, I see two options. From a military perspective, if you want to remove the private industry that's associated with it, you need to have a service model that is akin to that of South Korea, where you have a mandatory conscription, where every military age male is forced to serve in the military to support this. Because the American military has needs and manpower needs and funding needs that are not apparent of that of other nations because of this map that you just pulled up. Obviously not a very popular political platform to run on.

It's going to be hard to garner votes if that is your strategy. What the military-industrial complex or the defense sector does, in my opinion, a whole lot better is it puts private people in places to fill that gap. So instead of taking a kid who's 18 and forcing him to enlist in the military for a period of time you can pay defense contractors you can pay people who were in the military got out and have the training and logistics and desire to support this in the first place but because it's private you have to pay them so i see two options i see we either go away with private industry to begin with and you just force everybody to serve or you allow the military industrial complex to exist. And unfortunately, people kind of have to get paid along with that process.

That is true. And I think that's a big part of it in the sense that it's to me – and this is just me reading between the lines, listening to people like you talk who have lived it. So take it for a big grain of salt what it's worth. But the private sector that's been created of this, which is quite literally where the term military industrial complex comes from, is just an economic incentive for the best talent to be able to continue to serve and not officially be paid by the government. So it's not like an know an employee of the cia is making two million dollars a year and taxpayers can complain but there's a big funnel of money right like a big billions of dollars it's just a part of a budget and that budget includes people who are being paid millions of dollars by the government to go do stuff that's how you have

guys like eric prince running blackwater and making hundreds of millions of dollars and stuff he's not employed by the government but you know he's a big part of it working on the behalf yeah so when i see things like that i get it but i also get why people then look at that as as a dirty pool and beyond that though you had a line in there about five six minutes ago i think that really rings in my head because it i understand why people say it but it makes me nervous and i believe it was we need a common enemy or something like that okay what first what did you mean like if you could define that completely because you brought it up in the context of china sure when you say common enemy with them with and you

mentioned we're like maybe in a cold war with them do you view that as we need to be able to have someone that we all can or some place that we all can rally behind in this country to not like as a whole and then potentially have some sort of military conflict where we are victorious or am i pushing that way too far? I think it touches on a lot of things. The first thing that it touches on, and I think is the people in this country are ultimately humans, and human beings are tribal by nature, I feel. I think it's very human to say, hey, we're in this camp, they're in that camp.

It feels very good to feel very strong in our camp. I think regardless of what nation that you'll establish, that will always be a factor that we have to determine beyond that um i was not around for 9 11 i was in pre-k uh when it happened so i have no memories of it but i have heard people who did live through it talk about the atrocities of 9 11 but how incredible 9-12 felt. All the time. And how immediately the same political divisiveness that is apparent now stopped in a day. And I hear the type of support and read history books about how people were growing war gardens in their backyards during World War II because we were shipping all the canned goods to guys overseas. So we had to limit the amount of canned goods that average American consumers were buying because of the war effort. I think,

unfortunately, what would bring this country together tomorrow is a common enemy that we can all say, hey, despite our differences, if we aren't victorious, they're going to be. And if I want to have daughters that share an equitable world that have the same rights as men do we have to make sure that America and American values are apparent in that world and I know coming from a defense contractor that sounds really biased not popular because it's but I that more than that it's coming from a patriotic American and that's coming from a person with my family history and that's coming from a person who just sees the good that this nation has done and what i think these things are that we're talking about they're tools that the american

government as a whole uses to accomplish all the things we're talking about but you throw political corruption and human greed and just human biased and our flaws as men on top of it and it gets messy it's very messy no it's it's it's a it's a scary slippery slope and we're already down the slope but you know how far down do you go the the benefit of doing what i do one of my favorite parts about this is the fact that i always have like a different person across from me and I have people from all different types of backgrounds political affiliations and whatever but there you you start to come up with some patterns you know we're on 140 something at this point dress and you know I there's a line that Andy Bustamante had the second time I had him in here that went under the radar.

Of all the things that people talk about in the comments with that guy and his comment sections are hilarious. You know, people just claiming this and claiming that. I don't even know if I saw a comment on this thing he said, but it was exactly what you did. And he said, like, you created an enemy where we didn't need to have and so now you're saying so do you understand why people would judge that when they hear that yeah so what I'm saying is not exactly what you're saying what I'm saying is we will the world when the world doesn't have an enemy it gets lost when human beings don't have something to rally

against, they start finding things to rally against. So they just, they subdivide and they subdivide again and they start, they argue about whatever. They argue everything from buy local to, you know, you're a bad person if you hang this sign and you don't hang that sign or whatever it might be. They find reasons to subdivide. The only way that we all ditch all these subdivisions is when we unify behind one large enemy. And he was saying the same thing you did. And to borrow his phrase from another podcast he said,

he's like, I'm not allowed to say where I was stationed, but I'm allowed to say it was in Asia, and I speak Chinese and Thai, so you do the math right right so this guy gets that part of the world and so i hear that and i don't even have to put on a tinfoil hat nor do i have to do it with you to be like okay well that's interesting now that's at least a couple guys who have publicly in my parents house in new jersey talked on a mic that goes on the internet to a lot of people to see about this concept that we're going to – it's like you're talking it into existence. And I want world peace. But I also – I'd like to marry the fucking head Victoria's Secret model. Wouldn't we all?

I may not get that, right? So it's not like there's things that are actually attainable that we want, but I'd like to see less conflict than more. And when I hear things like this, I kind of wonder if that now the whole mainstream media is talking about it like crazy and i start to wonder i'm like oh am i missing something here or is this exactly what they're doing okay i would look to history for another example of this i often i'm a little bit of a history nerd i love that i try to read about things that have happened in the in the past and find patterns in those events so a perspective that I like to place myself in the perspective of is uh a veteran after the Second World War so specifically a veteran after the Second World War during the 60s this is a person who in many cases was forced to go to Europe and forced to see his friends die because of the circumstances that were happening he then comes home and sees America depending on who you talk to

quote unquote fall apart you see the nixon administration you see watergate you have vietnam occur you have um the civil rights movement occur you have uh but that was positive it was positive but the amount of political divisiveness that was occurring during that time in america was more politically divisive i would argue than we are now america was being pulled at the seams in two very polarizing directions and thankfully history like went in the direction of hey we need to give more rights to more people as it should have been but the political divisiveness that was apparent in that time frame i don't think we have seen until now the 60s was just a very uh tumultuous time for america they were posting

guards outside of national memorials at the time because of how unpatriotic the public was so to to see that as a world war ii veteran i would think oh everything that i just fought for and sacrificed for and gave my life for is falling apart in front of me. Look at the youth of America. They don't even appreciate what's happening today. Around the corner of that was the eighties around the corner of that was the fall of the USSR around the corner of that was the fall of the Berlin wall. So even though you had the Kennedy assassination, even though you had Dr. King being assassinated, even though you had the Kennedy assassination, even though you had Dr. King being assassinated, even though you had all these horrible things that were happening in America,

America was turning a corner into this era of prosperity that we are now on the coattails on. And I think the same pattern in history is occurring right now. And what unfortunately is the catalyst that causes that to happen is some sort of big political militaristic force that's pushing the United States into a place where it has to make those choices. And that force in this case is the CCP.

And they're doing it, in my opinion, because they're challenging the status quo. They are a nation state like we are a nation state. And they don't like the idea that they're challenging the status quo. They are a nation state like we are a nation state, and they don't like the idea that they're number two. When you say that, when you're talking about nation state in the context of them, what do you mean by that? So the status quo that has been around since World War II is, hey, we lead the world. America is the driving force that makes sure things happen in accordance with not only what America wants to happen for the world, but just Western doctrine. NATO is roped into this specifically. Russia and China are on the

opposite end of that spectrum. So what's interesting about these nation states is they have the interesting political situation where we think in four-year election cycles, they can have plans that unravel in terms of decades. So they can choose very specifically when to execute on certain large, grandiose plans they've had in place for possibly decades. I find it very interesting that a lot of these things are happening during the time that they are now, from the war in the Ukraine to certain military intervention in the country, what we're seeing with all these war balloons.

I think a lot of the time these nation states just want to cause chaos in the United States because it causes infighting. And just like I was talking about, when we're fighting amongst one another, it's distracting from the real problems that are occurring overseas. Agree completely. And I think that problems that are occurring overseas. Agree completely.

And I think that things that work their way organically, and I will use that word here, organically, into our public forums, be it through the media, be it through the people expressing their opinions online, all of it, I view it the same in this respect. I think it emanates from other places. I don't think that. I know that if you look at the data, right?

The smarter people than me are out there measuring this shit, and the internet's a powerful tool. It is coming, a lot of it, from other similar way to how i do which is just like i don't fucking care about all this shit people are fighting about online like it's your fight really ain't gonna make a difference you know what i mean like people are gonna do what they're gonna do who the fuck cares you know what i mean and we start getting lost in the things that don't matter and then perhaps we even ignore the important conversations not perhaps we definitely ignore the important conversations that have to happen that may even end up going against some of the things that you hope to see from your seat right but i would love it if people

would actually like try to figure out what is going on in the east right now you know and and not just read the headline on it and and try to try to learn things that aren't just two minute sound bites on tv that then get replayed on twitter but that's not really the world that most people live in you know and it's like i'm not going to change that sure you're not going to change that so is that a reality we just got to deal with and build that into the equation forever now so you've talked about this with other guests bustamante is a phenomenal example of this he has argued and i would argue as well that the american public at the end of the day is not going to care about the geopolitical state in all the places that we're

talking about they don't care about the the political affiliation or the political goals of the ccp or china or russia people care about what is immediately going on in their life. So in my opinion, what has to occur is we need to make sure that we have governmental agencies and money and resources delegated to people who think about this all day long. Because if we don't, those problems will come to our doorstep. And all of a sudden, average normal people who would never have China even enter their mind have to deal with it because they're para dropping into the country. The, the, the agencies, the CIA, the FBI, the military industrial complex, all these, all these things are tools that the United States government use to stop that from even occurring. And the average normal person can't, can't enjoy the freedoms and the

wonderful things that America has if we have bigger problems and that's that's actually I mean a line I'd like to say and I'm sure people said it before me but I thought I came up with it was we have never been invaded and it really shows I've noticed before and I think it's also technically we were kind of invaded for the War of 1812. And, of course, the American Revolution was already like it wasn't an invasion. They were here. But since then, generations don't know what that is. But you also brought up about how people recognize realities in the past. I love that you brought up the World War II stuff with how people here who didn't go over there pitched in.

And you're on the East Coast for the first time in your life today. Welcome, by the way appreciate it but one of the things they did here that i was unaware of until i think john schneider talked about in episode 32 but on the east coast around new york and in new jersey especially but also up in like i think it was massachusetts and stuff but check me on this people would turn their lights off at night. The shore towns would not. These people would turn off their electricity and turn in for the night at fucking 7 o'clock. Why?

Because there were German U-boats out there. And they didn't want there to be any, oh, this is a real serious threat and let's band together on this. And not that I want people – like it scares me when people like you and a lot of people say like, oh my god, would it take something like a 9-11 to get people's attentions again? I don't want to see that. I do not want to see that. That's horrible. And like avoid that at all costs. But I do want to see people at least recognize that things like that could happen.

And you have to act accordingly and stop fighting over a TikTok. You know what I mean? Like it's just getting so ridiculous out there. And it's not like I expect 15-year-olds to understand this. But at some point, turn the corner. You know, when you're 20, you recognize, like, okay, you know, we got a society here. It's a complicated world. We got to figure some shit out. And stop just thinking about yourself on all this.

Think about the higher calling. I mean, you were 18 and you wanted to serve the country, right? There's a lot of people like you. So there's some people who are thinking like that i think there's something to be said about the silent majority in this country and ultimately what has happened in my opinion is i think because of all the wonderful innovations that we have from technology the people uh who are the loudest when everybody has a megaphone they're screaming loudest into that megaphone and if you don't believe me go on Twitter There's there's lots of evidence of that

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delivered in each pouch is that like I never thought I don't know the numbers with caffeine like what's that the equivalent of so a c4 scuba pre-workout is anywhere from 150 to 300 milligrams of caffeine depending on what strength you take a cup of coffee is just under 100 milligrams of caffeine a bang how big is a cup of coffee eight ounces eight to twelve ounces okay um a bang or a rain energy drink also 300 milligrams of caffeine so what's so great about this product is instead of eight individual uh big pieces of liquid that you have to lug around in your backpack this fits in your pocket it's also a little more convenient than remembering to wash a shaker cup or to uh scoop pre-workout in many cases guys are dry scooping i don't know if you've ever seen this

before whether they're actually take pre-workout and just take it without yeah this will work a whole lot better work better than that so the the story of the company was I was actually in Syria of all places and now this is when you're a defense contractor this is when I was a defense contractor and well it's a and by the way I'll put the I'll put the website link in the description so people can go get it. What is it? SendItSupplements.com?

SendItSupplements.com. SendItSupps.com. SendItSupps. S-U-P-P-S? P-P-S.com. I will put that up there. But yeah, so you're in Syria and you come up with this. So at this point, I had a little bit of money saved up from what I was doing as a defense contractor.

Yeah, what were you making doing that? So I don't mind saying this, and this is by no means bragging um i want to to give this figure because i want to show what is possible for all young e4s that are currently in the military right now and what e4s that is um the rank of enlisted four and below so in the air force that's senior airmen in the army that could be a corporal but you're lower enlisted you're guys who joined right out of high school and got the four gimme ranks that are apparent every military the ranks that anybody can obtain um i was making north of 350 000 a year as a defense country 50 000. that money is not apparent anymore because the war isn't around but i was making i see why you like the military industrial complex so one of my favorite quotes is from kevin hart and this kind

of gets into my business philosophy he said um i'm going to make all this money and i don't know exactly what i'm going to do with it right now but i'm not smart or rather i'm not smart enough to figure out this real estate thing now, but I know at a later point I will be and I'll finally have capital to go on the attack with it My mentality at the time was hey, I know that this money that I'm going to make is not going to be long-term I'm not gonna make this for 20 years. This is an opportunity that I can take right now and I'm gonna take full advantage of it I just saved every penny that I could because I knew it was temporary and I knew that I wanted to do something from a business perspective down the road. So I just saved every penny that I could go for you when I got the idea for this.

I got the name of the company the logo the slogan for the company and the idea for the product all in the same go and I knew immediately. This is what I had to do and over the course of the next I, three or four weeks from a SATCOM phone where you heard every other word and my MacBook laptop, I built a company from Syria. Where was it again in Syria that you were? Can't say specifically just because there are still Americans there. I don't mind talking to where I was at in Afghanistan, but Syria, there are still Americans on the ground at that particular installation. And that's really impressive. You were doing this there. So again, I'll put that link down in there. But how did you – you left Bagram in Afghanistan a couple months before the pullout.

And then were you going to Syria or had you already been there? So when I was in Afghanistan, I spent a majority of my time in northern Afghanistan, specifically in a province called Mazar-e-Sharif. It's a very northern province in Afghanistan. And that fob was the big hop-off point where I would touch all the cops or the combat outposts and the fire bases where all our remote satellites or our remote centers were found. After that, I was slotted on this particular program to go to Syria, my next deployment, doing the same thing that I was doing in Afghanistan, just in a different theater. Because this particular company was selling this product to everybody. Along the way, the fall of Afghanistan happened. Okay.

All right. Now I got it straight. All right. You've been in a lot of places in a truncated time, too. Yes. It's not like it was like 20 years. Like there was a lot going on. So for people out there who constantly hear about Syria and don't know it nearly as much as, say, Afghanistan or Iraq.

I had Joby Warwick in here two or three months ago, who's a Pulitzer winner, amazing, amazing writer. The most fascinating terrorist figure I think I've ever come across. We're familiar with Bin Laden. Bin Laden and Zawahiri, his number two guy, they were of a completely different type. These were people who were professionals. Bin Laden was an engineer. His number two was a medical physician. So they're educated, sophisticated people.

They have sort of a strategic vision of this terrorist organization they trying to create so khali was none of that he was just a street tough we talked all about his book that won the pulitzer black flags which was all about isis so some syria came up and he started talking about some of the different sects that were forming in there in say around the time of isis okay but his latest book we did not get to in that podcast and we're going to do a podcast on in the future is all about syria itself during the time period of the 2010s it's incredible i'll put that link somewhere as well maybe in the description for people to check out but for those at home who just hear about this guy Assad, maybe they've heard some shit on chemical weapons or whatever. And like, yeah, there was some ISIS stuff that was going on there at some point. Like what is the critical importance of Syria in the United States' eyes?

Like the reason why we care about it at all and what's going on? And what is the lay of the land presently? So when I was there, this was during the Trump administration, and this is when you saw Trump's isolationist perspectives that he had kind of trickle its way down into the foreign policy or the actual actions that we took on the ground. I was a observer as all this was happening again i was not serving i was just working with our customer who is in this case uh an oda team or a green beret team meaning a special forces group that was assigned to this particular region so your customer is the united states government right so they would work for those that are not familiar with what uh special forces guys do they work directly with partner force or local elements that are found in whatever region that we are operating in to work by, through, and with partner force to accomplish the goals of the United States. When they're there, quick question as a clarification, like the special forces guys, that's technically boots on the ground.

But are they, in this case, more plain clothes and working that way? When we were there, there were no military uniforms worn. We were all in civilian attire. You could tell that a bunch of beefed up white dudes at this particular compound are probably Americans and probably not Syrian. the ops temple or the, the posturing of those elements are not as, um, over the top, excuse me, not as pronounced as a normal conventional force would be. An example of this is anytime that we would run convoys, we were always in, uh, Range Rovers and we were always in Toyota trucks and we were always in land cruisers. We were all, we were never almost always in, uh, the MRAPs or the big military looking vehicles that you could drive around and

have a lot more protection involved in them but um it's very easy to spot hey those are americans in full kit with their m force the whole point of uh an oda team is hey this is more of a of a force that is used to use the partner force as a mechanism to accomplish the goals that the United States have. So instead of some 19 year old from Arkansas dying in the desert, we can utilize and train and equip the local forces that are apparent in these regions to accomplish our goals. And the term that these guys would use a lot is we're going to do what's called combat advising. So this team would get dropped into this particular part of Syria, link up with the local forces and say, hey, at this time we are, and still are going after ISIS personnel in this region. Hey, you guys have a common enemy with the United States. We're going to train you and equip you

to kill these ISIS people because they're your enemy and they're our enemy. And this you're talking about when you were there so this is 2021 2022 this is still happening and what's the current because I'm gonna get some of these names wrong sure but they had like the it was the al-nusra front right that was the ISIS cell like in Syria or something and then you had the regular I forget what they were called but like the regular rebels, maybe they were backed by al-qaeda or something against Assad Then you had the Assad regime and maybe there was one other in there today You know, is it just like whatever's left of al-nusra front? My finger is no longer on the pulse of this just because I've been gone for so long now for a little over a year

So when you were there when I was there the ops tempo of afghanistan was obvious was surprisingly to me higher speed than it was in syria for whatever reason i i heard all these war stories about how um syria is just very kinetic right now and you know we're running missions every night when i got there it was a lot more quiet just so happened to be in the cards when i was there but um i can't speak to directly what political groups were in power in the region at the time uh quite honestly because i wasn't briefed on those programs it wasn't a priority of mine all i was worried about is hey this asset that we got overhead can i make sure that we can see what the pilot is seeing the people that i'm talking about though the oda teams

that are directly there they can speak to exactly hey these political groups and these uh regional leaders that are apparent in this area we work directly with them to train up local elements that are found in these forces to um to disband isis groups that are found operating within these regions and what i did see when i was there though is is, um, we kind of lump ISIS and the Taliban and Al Qaeda all into this big pool together. In many cases, um, the Taliban and Al Qaeda would try to hunt down and kill ISIS forces because even between them, they, they're a little crazy. They disagreed.

Yeah. We would call that, um um just enemy combatants killing other enemy combatants because even though they're all enemies of the united states we found that their their political disparities between even them were so far-reaching that we were just trying to fund and equip and train almost anybody in that region that was the enemy of those forces uh both of them both of them okay Both of them. Okay, all right. So in Syria specifically, ISIS seemed to be the leading force that was committing all the atrocities that unfortunately during the Obama administration was finding its way into Europe.

The reason why I think America spent so much time and military effort and resources into combating ISIS is because terrorist attacks were occurring in Europe at a rate they hadn't previously. And the next hop across the pond, in my opinion, would have been us. Yeah. Once it happens to white people, they get upset. Sure. That's kind of how it works. But yeah, I mean, in reality, it's really scary how quick that blew up you know I and it's you know Isis was technically goes back

to al-zikr and had been built for years but like the powder keg that formed in 2012 2013 to get them to where they were in 2014. it's wild to me and like Syria is like the initial place where you really saw it play out how much al-qaeda was like listen you know we're not like that they're a little crazy sure you know what i mean and that is really saying something about the kind of threat it is there but when when you were there i mean how many you're working with the client the special forces team like how many people are on the ground with you representing your company and how big did you say like a special forces team like how many people are on the ground with you representing your company? And how big did you say like the special forces group you were working with was so on our particular compound? I would say there was I don't want to talk about how many specifically

How many Americans were on the ground, but it was a very small element, right? We had a very very small footprint. You're basically a cell because of how remote we were But I do want to touch on what you said previously like like, hey, when it starts happening to white people, that's when other people get involved. What I think is a better way of putting that is, I think a lot of Americans haven't had the opportunity to see the disparity between the first world and third world countries.

And what I've tried to do in between building businesses and working in this field is I've tried to travel to as many different places as i possibly can um i just got back from the philippines not too long ago i was in thailand last year um i make it a point to go to see parts of the world that a lot of americans don't get to see uh because of my the history of my family like we grew up in places like that and you you learn very quickly about how the rest of the world lives and what is normal to us here in the first world is just not apparent at all in third world countries so to give an example of that um

people that we were dealing with when we were in syria the u.s government is unfortunately charged to uh deal with situations that are just nature of circumstance but are horrible in nature. And what I mean by that is the U S government has been responsible for, um, taking care of the sons and daughters of ISIS fighters. So kids who had no, no political leaning or no leverage in the conflict, but would just happen to be born as the son or daughter of an ISIS warlord, we have to figure out what you do with them. We have to figure out where they live, how they're fed, how they're taken care of. And because America is in a leadership position,

we're often the ones that are responsible for making sure that those people, um, aren't left to the wolves. And you learn very quickly that when you travel to all these third world places, that the majority of the world lives in the most dire of circumstances. And the reason why things...

So why don't we care about that though? Well, because it goes back to what we were talking about originally. For the same reason that Americans are more concerned about what's going on in America versus, and I'm choosing my words very specifically here. No, I know. The Holocaust that is going on in China right now

with the Uighur people. We conveniently ignore that because we're too wrapped up in what's going on on Twitter or what the president is saying or what's going on with a celebrity trial. But there are millions of people who are being killed every day because they're not Chinese enough. And if more people could just see how the rest of the world lives,

I feel it would give you a greater appreciation of what we have here and how important it is to keep it okay so because the game i hate to play okay and and it might be my fault for how this conversation is being phrased right now but i hate to play the game of well this is worse than that like to me you heard me i want world peace right i don't like what's happening in yemen i don't like what's happening in ukraine i think i think they're both terrible one we just pay attention to the other one we we don't and i question that and you bring up the uyghur thing in china you know some of it comes very honestly i think where i get confused is why we do care about the stuff that happens in like europe like so much when it does even here

versus when it happens in other places including like the one in china and you know the the guy chamath i never pronounced the name right i'm really sorry but the guy chamath palapataya maybe that's how you say it he's's a billionaire, former high-ranking Facebook guy who is a venture capitalist. Very, very smart guy. He's got a podcast, I want to say. It's called The All In Podcast with Jason Calacanis and some of the guys out in Silicon Valley. But he took a lot of shit, I think it was last year, with the way he delivered a statement where the Uyghur thing came up and like it was a very memeable moment unfortunately I understood what he was trying to say he got ripped for it I get

what he's trying to say but essentially it was along the lines of like the clip that was taken completely out of context was him saying that is below my. It's like holding up his hand. He's like, genocide, below my line of caring. Got it. Came across very wrong. Okay. Very poor delivery. The greater point he was trying to make is kind of what you're saying, which is that we have things to worry about here.

We can't see that there. That is inside of a totalitarian regime that we're going to have to deal with at some point sure right now it's not like we can just drop the u.s forces in there to free this place it's not a realistic thing on which is very sad but it's unfortunate but it's kind of a reality and so in my list of things that i can sit here and actually affect in my seat making this content as a billionaire that people actually listen to that is below my line right sure i get that how do we determine that line though why is that below the line but then like ukraine isn't why aren't they both above the line you know does it is it hit pause on whatever you're listening to and hit play on your next adventure stay three nights this

summer at best western and get $50 off a future stay. Life's a trip. Make the most of it at Best Western. Visit bestwestern.com for complete terms and conditions. Literally, because of what I said, like, oh, well, one, we can kind of affect the other. We technically can't right now. Is that all it is? I think there's a couple of things you're touching on here.

First, I want to touch on the human element. So I'm going to bring up a very controversial point, but I came it all the way to this podcast and i'm on the east coast so it um there's uh lebron james is a very politically divisive figure obviously for some of his statements and some things one of the things that he's brought up is uh police reform and police reform and police brutality is a subject that's very important to him and rightfully so the free speech is something that i i believe in very strongly in america um i think it is very hypocritical of him to say hey there needs to be all these changes in america why why all these atrocities of police brutality occurring in the first place this is a racist country however when

chinese officials that are big fans of the NBA say, hey, you brought up Taiwan as a nation and you need to now apologize for it because a big part of the funding that comes from, or the, excuse me, the viewership that the NBA watches comes from a Chinese audience. You're saying when they say that to other people and he doesn't speak up about it. Exactly. Okay. doesn't speak up about it exactly okay so meaning it is hard to ask the american public to care about a particular issue that may not affect them while also not caring about another political

issue that you're not a part of meaning okay i will apologize for my statements and say whatever the chinese nation wants me to say in regards to this taiwan situation because they're funding me and they're paying me and i'm an nba star and i can follow the money that comes from the nba and knows that a big part of the viewership comes from a chinese audience i'm just not going to pay attention to the genocide that is occurring in china right now and if if your problem with amer America is racism and the atrocities that occur here, and there's plenty of them, I can say with confidence that Holocaust-style camps

and rounding up people and the re-education of an entire racial group of people to become more Mandarin is not occurring in the United States. It is very hypocritical when very pronounced political, not political figures, but celebrity figures in the United States conveniently ignore those things, but ask other people to pay attention to political subjects that may be more important to them. And I think that idea can be broadened out across all people. So with the Ukraine situation specifically, why do we care about this one particular region? A lot of people have tossed around will all because they're white people you know that's why all there's all this

money and funding i think the reason why the funding is occurring is because it aligns with the strategic interests of the united states and it so happens to be convenient so because this what do you mean by that this particular nation is parked up against russia and that particular nation is talking about joining nato now obviously the united states wants that uh i would think to happen because it aligns with our political strategy for the world excuse me but um but could you see why not that and i i can't fucking stand putin and i've been reading about putin for way longer than this war has been going on and no one ever paid attention to the war happened but could you see why that thing in particular not to say like it merits invading a country but why that

might piss him off well i think it's very interesting that for a plan that i think he's had in the works for a minute he took this political point in history to execute on meaning i think he's been thinking about invading the Ukraine for a minute. I think he chose a particular administration that is weak from a foreign perspective to choose to execute on that plan. I think he chose a very particular time of the United States when we're very politically divided to execute on this plan. He could have done it when other presidents were in place, but chose to do it at this particular point in time. And I think the American public and where we are politically has a lot to do with that. Beyond that, I think at least when I went through school, one of the messages that was taught to us is, hey, this Holocaust thing, we as a race of humans,

as mankind said, hey, we promise this is never going to happen again because of the atrocities and the genocides and the horrible war crimes that were committed to this group of people. And the unfortunate reality is it's happening today and we're conveniently ignoring it because – It's not the only time it's happened either. Yep. Because it's not happening to us or it's not happening in Europe. Right. Okay, there's a lot on the bone here and I want to try to get to all of it and have a back and forth.

So let's start with – and if I'm forgetting things as we move along, try to bring them back up. But let's start with Le if i'm forgetting things as we move along try to bring them back up but let's start with lebron okay i'm a fan i think lebron has certainly made some mistakes with things he says though and i've had moments in my life you can ask my friends why i fucking hate the guy you know where i'm just like what the fuck you know just shitty did piss me off and i kind of had more of a Zen look on it in the last couple years especially and obviously I'm a fan of his play like he's an incredible player and he's done a lot of good too he's he's backed up a lot of you know you look at his foundational work and stuff like he has walked the talk with with those things as someone who came from a really tough situation

and made it big so I always look at the positive first with him this China situation I have a little bit of a nuanced view on and I'll explain why and I'm not saying that what you're saying is wrong I I think what you're saying is overall correct with him how he's looking at it first of all why why do why do people in your mind when – when they go to the ballot box and they vote and they choose a candidate, let's say they're strongly in one direction or another. How many real policies do you think they're voting on when they do that? One. Great answer. And I would even – let's be conservative and let's say it's two or three.

Either way, low number, right? But think about all the things that person, especially if it's goes to a theme of the conversation we've had today the things we can see the things we know about and lebron has gotten some things wrong sometimes when he calls out cots for certain situations and the one time where he put the picture of the guy up and that was actually a very good cop and that was not something he should have done like yes that was wrong and like he should take shit for that. Sure. But he is focused on things that affect like his community and problems he sees. And I fully understand that. With China. Yes, overall, he's, he's, he's wrong in this opinion, or in the complete inability to speak out, I think. But it is a very tough situation for him in particular, and here's where I see why. Okay. He is a billionaire. He is not missing any meals.

The average length of an NBA player's career is approximately, I think, 450 players who play in the NBA every year. It's not long. These guys are not making crazy money. This is money that the bottom half of the league, these guys are going to have to live off of. To say nothing of the top half of the league where people can start having this argument. If LeBron James decides to come out and be Muhammad Ali in this situation, which I'm not saying is the wrong move. I think it's probably the right move. But he is going to take all kinds of money out of the pockets of the people who actually need it,

and who have no control. And if they came out and said something, it would have no effect, right? And so he now has all his peers as the ambassador of the game, who are going to have money taken out of their pocket. Now, you say, hold on. There's a genocide going on, though. We're not speaking out about that. Very fair point. Very fair point. But he can't see it.

We don't see it. It's hard to Google and actually see it. Like a lot of this is stuff that we have to rely on accounts of people who have been on it, which I understand. Like we got to do that. But he is stuck in that situation where it's like, well, am I going to be persona non grata if I do it now when he dogpiles Daryl Morey for saying something? Fuck that. I don't like that. That's bullshit. Just shut up. Don't don't say anything right there. You know, so I'm not going to excuse stuff like that. But it is it is a weird situation that actually David Stern, the last commissioner of the NBA, summed up perfectly. There was a New York Times written interview that he did. So it wasn't on video. This is back in maybe 2004, 2005, 2006.

I can't remember the exact year, but you can Google it and find it. There's a written interview he did. I think – I want to say he was on a plane with a New York Times reporter, and he brought it up. Now, as commissioner of the NBA, your job is you are hired by the owners to serve the financial interests of the owners. You have a fiduciary duty to them, so you have to look at all things that are financially acceptable. This is a pre-social media time too. Maybe there's less geopolitical thoughts with business, you know, different time. But David Stern brought up and I'm paraphrasing the idea that this China thing, and I think the reporter described it as he leaned

his head back and like side and looked up at the sky, right? He's like, this China thing is a problem. That is a totalitarian communist regime that has human rights issues. And at some point, that chicken is going to come home to roost. And I'm probably not going to be here when that happens. But holy shit. And again I'm paraphrasing. But that is approximately what he said. And so you now have this kick the can down the road situation.

Where now. They're making so much money. And it's like. You're in this group think scenario. While all of us looking here. Would like to look in history and say oh we wouldn't be hugo boss during world war ii and being funded by hitler and like but are these guys hitler i mean they're doing some of the same shit it is a tough thing and again i think you're

right i'm just saying i think some of the intentions of some of these people including lebron aren't evil they're they're making perhaps a mistake with you know the road to hell paved with good intentions could be that type of situation i just want to make sure i gave you the context of course beyond that don't preach then i think is a fair point yeah yeah it is beyond that though at a higher strategic level this is the part that scares me this is where i think china is doing something differently than the russians did or excuse me the ussr did china has found a way to weave its way into american culture in a way that's inseparable from all the things that we enjoy basketball is is one of those examples so during the last cold war we had movies like red dawn coming out where

people were holding up ak's and screaming Wolverines and you know The only good commie is a dead commie and that was the rallying cry of Hollywood There is no way that that movie would be made right now Because of the amount of influence that China has in an American market where these big Hollywood studios now have to get films and scripts and actors cleared to be watched in a Chinese market and I think one of the long term plays of the CCP is hey one of the biggest strengths that America has is a cultural strength and if we can attack that the whole Empire falls apart because it's the heart of America so to all these big celebrity figures that are just worried about hey you know I want to make as much money

as I can in the short amount of time period, because exactly like you said, like, Hey, this is in the same position that I was in. This is not a lifetime's worth of money. I'm going to just make it in a span of a decade. Um, you have to realize what's going on because you may be compromising your integrity on the sake of the American empire. Or excuse me, on the sake of the American nation. Meaning, these adversaries, specifically the CCP, is using these for-profit institutions as a tool to shake America at its core. And this is an example of that.

The NBA knows that a big majority of its viewer base, just from a numbers perspective, comes from a Chinese audience. So, when celebrities like John Cena are apologizing in Mandarin for referencing Taiwan as a nation, it gives me pause. Yeah, it should. Because the last Cold War was one, number one, because we outspent the USSR from a nuclear perspective

and from a military perspective but I think it was also from a cultural war uh the Berlin wall falling was an American victory but it was also a victory for the world and I think if if these people that are in leadership positions and are in a position where they are preaching at the American public to think and feel a certain way that they should be the ones that are, that are saying, Hey, you know, we have problems, but I stand up for democratic values. And I can't ask other people to, to maybe consider the perspective of someone who wasn't born in a particular environment or situation or neighborhood while at the same time, not considering people who were born an ocean away or in the most dire of circumstances

who would love to be anyone in america before i forget you're you're wide open on time today right yes absolutely because i'm just there's something i'm thinking about i'd like to stay after this podcast is done and record a little mini episode for patreon because it won't be suitable for youtube and you'll get your episode demonetized and you know we want to try to push this so if that's cool there's a topic in there I just put a bullet point on it so I don't forget it but we'll talk about that after but what was the second thing you started that whole thing with the LeBron situation with the with the tete-a-tete of like is it China versus are you only going to care about US policies but

there was a second level to it because I want to make sure we got to all of it do you remember what that was I just want to touch on the point that hey I think these are human beings in this particular case and human beings only care about things that you know are are specific to their political interests or maybe that one vote issue that they find themselves in and then how just at a bigger strategic level, it plays into some of the global politics that we're talking about right now. So even though if LeBron doesn't speak up and say,

hey, you know, or John Cena speak up and say, hey, I am not apologizing in Mandarin for acknowledging another sovereign state as a nation. No, I am not doing that. And if I make less money, so be it. If he compromises his integrity in that position sovereign state as a nation no i am not doing that and if i make less money so be it if if he compromises his integrity in that position to make more money it becomes a domino effect where the ccp as a whole in my opinion is just going to garner more and more influence in american culture

it's a problem it it's it is a big problem do you have you heard what that guy Peter Zahan says about China? He's a guy that fans put on my radar maybe nine, ten months ago, and I didn't know who he was, so I started following him, and then he got on Rogan. I was like, oh, there goes that. But now people still ask me to bring him on all the time. He's a very smart guy. I like him. He's one of those dudes though who's like so smart that he comments on every single thing with a hardcore opinion. Okay. So it's like I kind of break it down like this. He's probably like damn near 100% right on half the things he says. Okay.

And then of the other half, there's 25 and 25. 25 where he's kind of got a mixed bag where he's got themes right and maybe a couple things where something's out of context or slightly off then 25 where it's probably like all right that's probably not right or you're looking at this the wrong way and god knows if i can put everything in the right box i wouldn't be sitting here if i were smart enough to do that but you know he i mentioned it earlier a little bit he talks about the demographic problems in china and the supply chain problems and what's going on there and how this is actually going to have sort of the opposite effect and i'm tying that together in my head with your historical timelines you brought up where you talked about

how for example in the 60s was bad and then the soviet union fell in let's say like 1991 or 1992 what the official date was so it fell throughout the 80s you had the cooling off period right and then culminates with that so you had good around the corner of bad could it be lining up that the things you're talking about with china because of some of these other problems as a han points out perhaps they are correct there they're lining up in a way such that you know you're gonna kind of have for example like some of the covid shit backfire on china like we're already seeing and we're gonna have that good thing around the corner where maybe in the 30s enough of their people rise up and overthrow the ccp which you know david satter

was in here and talks about it it only took 15 of ussr society to overthrow the ussr before the kgb there was the nkvd in the 30s that was responsible for murdering hundreds of thousands of people like the pogroms and stuff no no no pogroms were uh ethnic anti-jewish for the most part right riots no this was the great terror during the 1930s that stalin launched against real and imagined opponents in order to bring the country completely to its knees you know i'm not saying it could be the same in china but like you don't have to get like 60 of the people to do it you get a really really loud group of people who are willing to put their names and beings behind it,

and it can happen. You know, maybe these trends, maybe some of these things we're seeing with starving populations, people who are dirt poor, you know, being locked down in their houses with COVID with drones monitoring them. You saw some of those little riots that were happening, and there weren't that little actually, you know, and I think it was like maybe October November you know and then the CCP had to end those guidelines they had because they realized oh shit right like do you think that that can kind of solve itself I think if it gets to that point if we think a lot of people are dying now I can only imagine how many innocent people are gonna die in a circumstance like that because China the the amount

of progress that they have made in the past 30 years is undeniable you went from uh what was arguably a third world country for everybody where there was starvation uh across uh its entire population you've seen a rise in capitalism because of shifting in policies that because capitalism works it has given more resources and more equity and and more financial services to average everyday people um i don't think the chinese will go quietly into the night giving any of that up and they like the the presence that they now have on the world stage and to give that up and to just let their own people revolt or overthrow the ccp millions would die in the process before that would happen well they

wouldn't let them we know that we know that and that's see that's a shitty reality you bring up millions would die you know that is their country though yeah right people people care about their ability to be free and things like that and people are throughout history have been heroes and and laid down their life and god knows i don't want to get involved in telling people what to do or whatever but i saw cracks in the foundation i saw people in october i think it was october november who look like they were at their wits end they look like the kind of people who i don't want to use the term death wish but they looked like the kind of people like you know what put a bullet in my head if this isn't going to change because i i'm going to do that myself if you don't well julian we are living in a country that was founded from people who did exactly that yes we're i'm in a part of the country now where people said things

like give me liberty or give me death because of all the things that you're talking about and i think those things are not only important to the American story, but I think they're important to the human story. And the reason why I'm so bullish on America as a nation is because even with all our problems and even with all our, our political divisiveness that we have, America has always stood for those values. And the reason why I think we're going to win on a long enough timeline is because all our adversaries that we've talked about at length in this podcast, they don't stand for those things.

And if you give history enough time to unfold in the manner that it will, in my opinion, I think the world wants to stand for things like equity and freedom and liberty and freedom and values to as many people in as many places as possible. And I think America has always been the driving catalyst of those things, not only because of the founding

of the nation, but because of what we believe in, and more specifically, what Western culture believes in as a whole. And I think part of the reason why the United States does as well as it does from an economic standpoint and part of the reason why Europe does as well as it does from an economic standpoint. And part of the reason why Europe does as well as it does from an economic standpoint is because those values are interwoven into the economic system in those countries. In China, that's not the case. There's an American idea that, and this is becoming more difficult than ever, to buy property and to buy home and

to build something in America about the American dream of owning something that is is owned in your name in China that is not the case the if you want to buy real estate I believe you can sign a 99 year lease with the Chinese government to own or at least rent or lease a piece of property that is that is owned by the CCP over the span of a lifetime. I didn't know that. And the reason why the, I forget the name of the company, but the biggest real estate agency in China was causing the amount of economic strife that it had in the nation recently

is because the only way that people can invest in China is through real estate. All the stock market and all the financial tools that are apparent in China are reserved for the CCP directly and have very limited amount of control in investing versus the United States is if you have money and you want to make more money,

the tools and resources and financial services that we have in the United States are available to everybody because they align with our Western values to begin with. I think that on a long enough timeline, besides all the cheesy patriotism that I believe in, will win the day because people just want better lives for not only their children there but their government obviously values real estate not talking about their own real estate i'm talking about like around the world and shit because they're buying it through their citizens who look like sovereign citizens but really they're billionaires who are fucking at the beck and call of the government i would argue that's not chinese people trying to improve their laden life yes in the same way that hey if i want to buy property in europe to

improve my my uh financial portfolio i think that is a tool that the ccp is using to garner influence in those nations i don't think it's average everyday people trying to lift themselves out of poverty and create a better world for their children i think it's a a tool that the ccp is using to pull power away from us of course they're doing that and i mean you talk about it with that's a great example you gave for like red dawn was made but you know that shit wouldn't be made with with that about china today and like there's one i looked at yesterday i don't want to give the specific example out loud yet because i need to look into it a little more but there's there's a major Hollywood production that's going on now that is funded by, shall we say, some very openly sketchy people, in this case related to China.

And by the way, to be fair, it's not just them. When you really look at the production credits and some different content, there are adversaries around the world who are working their way in there. China is just, I think, the biggest problem of it, and they have the most volume of it. And I think the data is pretty clear on that. But there's one I was looking at where it looks that way again, and it's a production that's going to be making quite a political statement domestically here. What's the film? I'm not going to say yet because i need to i need to verify that tie completely i don't want to just put out something that i don't want to

have to say oh shit sorry i was wrong okay but it's not the first time i've seen that right and so when i look at things like that yeah i i think your argument is not only valid it's backed up you know you talked about john cena apologizing in mandarin it's like you're apologizing that a country exists that you said because you know that's what it is and now it affects your wallet and now you're doing it it just it leaves a horrible taste in your mouth you know those are the things that we can control we can control when lebron james doesn't have to say daryl morey needs to educate himself on this situation you know like that that's stupid sure um and and i think people people it's you those situations are used as lightning rods especially you know when it's celebrities and things like that it's it's easy in this society we live in now for you know us and them the 99 and the one

and oh look at what they're saying from their perch and sometimes they do bring it on themselves like i can't it is what it is like if you say like that like you know you're gonna get for it well i think it's very easy for people to come on a podcast and talking to a microphone i think it's an another thing to um actually put their money where their mouth is and have their actions represent what they believe in um we're tossing american flags and everything because it's who we are as people and those values come through in the work that we produce because it's what what we believe in and what we stand for so it's i understand the lebron is dealing with money on a much bigger scale than

i am dealing with but the the the money that i have poured into this company comes just it's a direct representation of how much I believe in the product and how much I believe in the people we're trying to caffeinate. And I will never compromise on those values because they're values that I believe in. What if those values cost your business its ability to exist or cost it significant money? I will never remove our patriotism or support of law enforcement or support of first responders from our organization because of all the things that we're talking about. Fair enough. Because those people, in my opinion, are the silent majority that we talked about in this country. And I think a lot of the times they are roped into conversations that they don't want to have to begin with. Well, yeah. But that's the thing. There is sometimes, though, where it turns into this wall. I do not like the whole Blue Lives Matter thing. I can't stand that shit because it is – and I'm was supposed to mean something and monetizing it into a whole bunch of other shit.

And that has now been – the lid has been blown off that for a long time. And I've been on that. People can roll the earliest podcast I did with Terrence Jones where I said that back in 2020. And I was saying that back in 2014. So I'm very consistent on this stuff. And I think what happens is people go into their silos and it becomes an us and them conversation and not to be like an oversimplified, you know, victim of the content and being like, oh, that's the truth. But God damn it. Do I love when I see content of where like cops are getting along with people and you know, there's, there's great back

and forth. And I know there's a lot of great law enforcement in the country. I've had some on my show, right? Like I'm not so I don't want to be like an anti-cop person or something like that but i think when we especially like even with businesses and things like that when we play to that flag you talked about human beings being natural and tribes and stuff like that it it's sometimes without intention it can it can further perpetuate those differences and those lines that exist and like you know i want law enforcement to be there to be the people that help protect people and i want the people who are around them to feel like you know they got someone who serves their community great sure

that's all i want you know and i think that people you know i call it the wawa theory we were talking about that earlier when i go to wawa i see the green hair girl hold the door for the guy in the nam hat love that god You know what I mean? And you already talked about how social media blows shit out of proportion because the loudest people with the megaphone want to say shit. You're 100% right about that. And I think when we start to separate some things out sometimes, we lose sight of that and suddenly we think that the door-holding situation is always the exception. And it doesn't have to be that way you know i think too i want to touch on this specifically um i think it was a very

politically divisive time in america when the black lives matter uh movement was turning through america um i think who was caught in the crossfire in a in a large amount of situations were normal police officers that were just going to work and trying to feed their families and trying to provide a home for their children. And they were called just, they were roped in with the worst of the worst. And I will never be in support of an organization that not only calls for things like all cops are horrible people, or I will never be in support of an organization that wants to take away funding and resources and training from those organizations. Unfortunately, what came from the Black Lives Matter movement was this big call to defund the police and to take resources away from law enforcement agencies. that is behind these organizations. Because what I would argue is, if you want better policing tactics,

which I think is a common ground that all parties, regardless of what side of the political spectrum you fall on, I think better training and better equipment will stop horrible situations from even occurring in the first place. We need to put ourselves in a situation where we can actually take law enforcement officials off the streets and put them in training environments.

Where they can better de-escalate situations to better handle the tumultuous situations that average everyday people with badges and guns find themselves in the only way you're going to do that is with more funding and more resources and more capital and when you have an organization that is crying to defund the police because they don't like police officers. I'm gonna speak to the police perspective. I'm not one. This is just... We work with a lot of cops. The co-founder of the company, as well as my business partner, is a police officer.

Right. When you are calling for mental health officials to roll alongside police officers to better deescalate situations, I think it is used in a perfect world, it would be great, but when there are... when there are very, very unstable people that are causing harm to themselves and others

in common places, all the mental health officials in the world are not gonna help. A common situation that occurs is you'll have an unstable person that finds themselves in a gas station or a public space and is causing harm to themselves and others right a common critique from the black lives matter movement is hey why don't we have a a mental health specialist that can come into that situation and better de-escalate the situation better than the police officer the reality of the

situation is that um that person person can quickly harm to others. You just said something, though, that's in the middle ground that I hadn't heard. Because, yes, I believe you're correct about that. Black Lives Matter wanted to take the cops out of the situation completely. Sure. Disagree. I'm with you. Okay.

But you said in there, maybe it was like a misspeakak you were saying having them come alongside police officers now that's interesting i've heard that before um i i think it would be interesting to see it as how it would be used as a tool but i think that perspective comes from people who have never dealing who have never been in that situation in the first place when you're dealing with in many cases people who have mental health issues or people who are just unstable individuals. You're saying mental health professionals haven't been in that environment? No, I'm saying when unstable people are in a situation where they can cause harm to themselves and others, unfortunately, you're going to have a situation where you need people that can control that particular individual. And that is never, unfortunately, going to look good on camera i think unfortunately what happens is you have officers that find themselves in normal calls

and normal situations that have to take control of a very mentally unstable person and people catch a 10-second uh video clip of an officer tackling someone or an officer because of poor training applying an arm bar incorrectly and causing more harm. When the, in my opinion, part of the solution would be providing those officers with better training to not only restrain those people in the first place, but giving the benefit of the doubt to the officer because of how crazy the situation is to begin with. We pay these people to deal with the situations

that none of us deal with. And I think it is very easy to criticize people who never found themselves in a physical altercation with a mentally unstable person um calling for the officers to employ better tactics or use better chokeholds like okay i i enjoy jujitsu um i i try to train as much as i can um i have heard from several police officers that i train with that the chokeholds that we use in juiu-jitsu, their police departments tell them to not employ. Because of the message that it relays when it's filmed. You see an officer choking someone.

When as someone who grapples with people several times a week, I can tell you firsthand that the best way to control someone that doesn't involve hitting them over and over again is to apply chokeholds. But because it doesn't look good on camera and because the american public would have a certain perception of it yeah those tactics are disbarred to for to ever be used in the first place shit like that is is problematic and i'm so with you on the training man i think that is the biggest thing the worst is when i see a donut patrolman in a bad situation because they just

don't know what to do you know not just and with, and not just going for the gun or something, but they, you know, they get into physical altercation. They have no fucking idea. I could, I could put them in a pretzel, you know, and that's not good. Right. So, you know, to be, that's why that defund argument in that facet was a total, it was an L argument. And like, again, shit that was coming out of black lives matter the organization like that has been Exposed at this point like it they they didn't give a fuck in my opinion about Black people and black rights. It was money making it's it was it was the bastardization of capitalism

It's the downside of capitalism when you see that and half their problem was a war against capitalism and they were the biggest proponents Of it like that. I I agree with you completely i think it's interesting when that organization had not only the support of the american people it had the wet dream of every other non-for-profit in the world if the american heart association if the american red cross could have direct donation links on amazon.com that could contribute directly to their organization imagine all the good that they could accomplish yeah this particular organization had every single advantage that we could possibly give to a not-for-profit and it not only misused funds but paid people uh through corruption and and key leaders put certain people that they knew in their

family or or had relations with or relationships with in key leadership positions so they could get great salaries. When stuff like that starts happening, your argument falls apart to me. And I think it's interesting that when this is brought up, the benefit of the doubt is given to Black Lives Matter. The Black Lives Matter organization. I mean in some of the mainstream media maybe but they don't really even talk about it anymore but they don't talk about it whereas if an officer finds himself in a precarious situation it is cnn news tonight that's true and no one gives that officer the benefit of the doubt and again we believe in this because it's not only who we're caffeinating

but who we are as people and i will never I will never support an organization or put my company or myself in a position where we're standing up for organizations that try to do more harm than good. Yeah, no, I would. And to be clear, I wasn't telling you to do that. I'm not a supporter at all. I think it's trash. I mean, I've been on record about that myself with my friends since 2014. I've been on record publicly since 2020 when I started this thing. So you get no arguments there i just think that you know the equal but opposite reaction

that's happened has also formed tribes that that that contribute to the problem and you know i think good people get caught in the middle of that and i just again i'm a kumbaya guy i want people to be happy and fucking go along and live in good communities. And however we can do that, like, or do more of it at the very least, like, let's do it. But listen, man, you and I are going to stay and record some shit for Patreon because there was a big can of worms in there that we can go into that's not good for YouTube for sure. Phenomenal. But this was a wide range of conversation. I really appreciated it. There was all kinds of geopolitical stuff some domestic stuff your backstory

You had a very interesting early career too in the sense that you got right into this when you were 18 So once again, I really appreciate you coming all the way the East Coast for this and sharing your experiences with everybody Thank you for having me on brother. Of course, and what's that direct link again? That's send it subs calm Okay, we'll put that in the description so everyone can check it out I'm gonna try this too, please do good when I work out out and i'm not a dipper i've never been a dipper are you a caffeine junkie not a caffeine junkie but like i always have coffee sitting on the desk when we do this i like caffeine you'll love it all right cool well everyone else check it out senditsups.com fda proof obviously everything all good and we're going to stick around but if you

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