Julian Dorey Podcast - [VIDEO] - DARPA or Alien Underwater UFOs are Interfering w/ Nuclear Warheads | Darcy Weir • 207

Episode Date: May 21, 2024

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One of the cases he outlined was this 1954 case. A ship that was swarmed by spheres? Yes. What happened there? Like, did it emanate from the ocean, they were saying? Apparently, they just kind of showed up all around the ship. And this came from a source that basically followed Dolan's exploits and disclosure efforts. And his members can talk about stuff in their internal message boards and stuff

and this guy reached out and explained his story he went over this account where he was on this ship and these objects show up and everybody's like battle station you know they don't know what to do to deal with this phenomenon and i don't know if it was this case because there were quite a few cases we covered in the doc what often is reported is that communications and weaponry can be shut down that happens to our fighter jets and that's happened to our navy vessels the fighter jets thing is what really got my attention they couldn't even scramble the jets it's spooky yeah that was it they couldn't scramble the jets to mess with these things. And you know, you look at a 2019 video release that Jeremy Corbell put out there of those like flying triangles being observed by somebody,

first person on the deck of a Navy ship. What's up guys. If you're on Spotify right now, please follow the show so that you don't miss any future episodes and leave a five-star review. Thank you. Well, Darcy, Andy, thank you so much for being here. Your documentary is really good, man. Thanks. Transmedium, Fast Movers, and USO's pretty genius stuff as far as it's a topic that a lot of people are not attacking. And it's certainly one that people are going to have a lot of opinions on, but you're a one-man show putting this together. That's very impressive, man. I appreciate that. Yeah. I've been called a lot of worse things in my years. So thank you. How did you get into this topic? USOs and can you define for people what USOs are officially

so that they understand? Yeah. Unidentified, unidentified submersed objects or submerged um essentially they've been recognized in the ufo community for decades now like there's earlier researchers that we touched on in the doc carl feint he uh wrote a book called ufos and water i think And that's essentially like all of these accounts of UFOs that have been seen coming out of going into water. A guy named Ivan T. Sanderson wrote a book called Invisible Residents. And again, that's more of the same. That was decades earlier than Crawlfient. And that was kind of like an established idea that maybe these things are

originating from our oceans they're not actually coming from space like extraterrestrial aliens we would expect to be like you know yeah time traveling through the galaxy to our star and then checking out our planet or something right so it gets really weird when you remember the fact that i mean this has been reported as well i think it was in your documentary too yeah where we've only explored like five percent of the oceans allegedly yeah so there i mean how much could be down there that we don't know about so the actual numbers for that are uh like just to break that down a bit more um it's the ocean volume meaning like the different layers of the ocean and then the breadth of it you know in every direction we've only explored about five percent then the seabed like the actual ocean's recent, essentially, Soul Foundation, USO, and UAP ocean-based paper.

He talks about this and how we embarked on essentially trying to understand our oceans more post-World War II. And the Navy was one of those organizations doing that. But they haven't done a great job, right? Back in, I think it was 2005, the SSN San Francisco crashed into an ocean mountain. One person died and like 30 people. Yeah yeah and like the whole nose cone of the submarine

was breached completely scrapped they almost weren't able to go back to the surface of the ocean because of the damage because they hit a mountain they didn't even know was there a sea mountain right and that And that was around Guam. Yeah, you can see that they're actually – Yeah, let's just get it on the screen right now. They're starting to repair the nose cone there. But, you know, a lot of people could have died. and not explored enough in a broad-based and more technological way. Sure.

Yeah. Like using – we can use satellites and we can also use like sonar to map the oceans. And we just haven't embarked on that. The money has not been there um noah which is like a great ocean-based uh organization they haven't had the funding to do stuff like that um the military obviously gets the largest budget but they're you know just trying to practice swimming in the oceans with these things and obviously dodge a mountain and they were they were cruising at 30 miles per hour when they smoked yeah so imagine nightmare so imagine everybody going like flying yeah when they

made this collision right um not pretty yeah can i put a pin in that for one second i just want to get over to andy as well who was in your documentary and then we'll come back to you talking about galadette because that that was a that was for me kind of the highlight of your documentary the content you got with him me too that whole thing so i want to break Me too. Instagram account. I ended up getting a DM one day that I opened up and I get messages from a ton of people with different videos. I try to watch, you know, I try to go through all of them just to, you know, be fair with everyone. So I decided to open this one up and I saw a clip. The individual was like, I think you'll find this very interesting. I like your page. So when I opened it up, it was a cell phone recording from the person's computer

in his office. And he stated that he was a Department of Homeland Security agent and that he had some interesting files that I thought that I would like. And he felt that I could share them properly the right way. So when I first saw the video, I was blown back because I knew exactly what I was looking at. I know that the camera system i was like i was blown back because i knew exactly what i was looking at i know that the camera system that was being used was fleer so i knew that this wasn't just some regular you know joe schmoe sending me you know nonsense so um ended up questioning him vetting him as best i could don't know why but the guy felt comfortable enough to give me every single piece of document he had to prove who he was birth certificate driver's license yeah yeah you had a good uh yeah good evidence

check over there i'll leave it there yeah yeah i don't know how i got it done but he he ended up feeling that comfortable with me where he was able to share it with me so once i saw that i was like all right this guy's he's not he's not bullshit. Do you ever wonder though – and this is just my healthy skepticism on anything involving anything in this space. Do you ever wonder why like someone from Homeland Security, like someone legit tied in or even like a Gallaudet who we're going to talk about or a Chris Mellon or Lou Elizondo just decides to grace us with this information or videos? I mean my head does wonder sometimes like, okay, what are they trying to show? Like they're showing us something that is probably real, but is it something else? Because it's some sort of distraction. Do you think about that sometimes?

Well, based off of what he told me, they see things all the time. And you got, you know, people got to remember their job is to observe. That's literally what they do. Right. They're out there with the cameras looking for illegal immigrants, drug cartel or drug trafficking, anything like that. They're not doing a great job. I know.

Yeah. Thank you. I'm not going to get into that one. I'm glad they're not doing a great job. Yeah. So basically he told me that they see things all the time. Some things that they can't explain. And lucky for me, he was able to get those three clips for me of things that they actually managed to capture on camera.

And those three videos were kept in a folder. I think they named it something like anomalous or some, some along those lines and they would pass it along through the agents trying to get, you know, feedback as to what it was. Cause no one, no one knew. So now you ask yourself, these are guys who are trained to do this are constantly monitoring. They know the difference between a balloon, a drone, a bird and all that. And they're seeing this, that can't understand that they can't identify you know like why my thing is is why would you question these people like like why put them on

the spot and uh basically belittle their their profession when this is what they do you know yeah unless you know they're spooks doing spook shit you know what i mean like they may have and that's the thing like people get so emotional about some of this stuff online they'll get emotional with a guy like lou alzondo and stuff like that and i get it but like i mean i'm just not like i don't really take a lot of what he says in particularly seriously because he's a spook he said he is and that's fine but like that's his job that's what he was told to do okay well my job is not necessarily to listen to that but like people get so upset about it that said you can make that argument technically he's kind of an extreme example but you can make that argument with a lot of these people and then it makes it

hard to be like well you know what happens when someone comes along and they are really like saying no this is what it is yeah so my perspective on this is that this DHS agent, look, why do people like Jeremy Corbell, why did they all of a sudden have all of these UAP videos that they're releasing? Have you ever asked yourself that? Why? Because of people like this DHS agent. So Jeremy Corbell released that documentary Lazar that hit a home run that got on Netflix. Ton of people around the world have seen it, including service members in our, you know, Navy, our military, um, overseas in iraq all that type of stuff and it opens up people's minds to the possibilities

that there are ufos out there there are uaps there's something interacting with our planet that's not us right possibly right so these service members these people that are on board navy boats or whatever are reaching out out to Jeremy and saying, Hey, I recorded this with our FLIR or I recorded this with my cell phone. Here it is, whatever. He vets it. Then he tries to find out where, if the source is true, yada, yada, yada, just like the jellyfish, right? That came fromq or was it iraq i think it was iraq or like the mosul orb so people am i doing something wrong okay so people are noticing this guy um has a fan base he has a crowd and they're going okay i want him to release this video and get it seen by as many eyes as possible.

It will get scrutinized. Obviously, you'll have guys like Mick West come in and all kinds of people that are from the skeptical side. And that's how the best information rises to the top because then everybody gets to see it. Same thing happened with Dandy. That's why I appreciate his story and why I said, I got to have this guy in this documentary because he's like another Corbell in a way. He's a guy that created a little fan base on Instagram. A Department of Homeland Security agent took him seriously, said, I like what you're doing. I see that it's a noble cause. It not like look at me look at me i want to make a

billion dollars off of ufo shit right and um are we allowed to swear you say okay sorry dude um i'm from jersey i just don't want to be very difficult i don't want you to get demonetized no the first we we take care of that pretty good. Okay, cool. So he gets the videos and then, you know, Andy, just based off of what I know from those videos, the way he put it through the proper channels to make sure he wasn't releasing something that was complete BS, right? He went to the SCU, the Center for Scientific Coalition for UAP Studies, Peter Reale, and all these scientists are sitting there waiting for this type of information. They went through and tried to debunk it as much as they could. They went through and spoke to the DHS agent and confirmed, yes, he holds a post for the Department of Homeland Security.

And these people sitting there looking at videos day in, day out at the border are like, what? weird shit folder. And then eventually this guy goes, I'm going to send it to this dude who I think has a good vibe and knows what he's doing. And, you know, it turned out initially it was going the right way, but then by the time it hit Twitter and hit all these social media platforms, that's when the mud and the stones started getting thrown and uh andy you know had a youtube video that was posted youtube is a social social media platform yes he got attacked there you know the comments were just like non-stop trolling like this is fake whatever and he deleted the those videos reposted them now, right? But the initial videos did get quite a flurry of views in the hundreds of thousands. And then, you know, the end of last year, in August, CBP, Customs Border Patrol, and DHS affirm these are legit.

These are real UAPs. What was in the video? Yeah. They said these were real. They certainly didn't look like a regular balloon or something like that. That shit was moving fast. Well, that's the reason why I tried to do it the way I did it

when it came to SEU and trying to get proper analysis because I mean, all you gotta do is post a video and make says balloon and now that's it it's a balloon or it shouldn't be a bird with a rocket strapped to his back or some shit you know like it's eagle yeah you know so that that's what i was trying to avoid you know and even going through those channels doing it the right way and coming out with a freaking analysis, a legit scientific analysis that proved it was anomalous. That was the conclusion. This is anomalous and it's using propulsion we don't understand.

Even with all that, you still get these assholes online trying to debunk. Yeah, the attacking is the problem. You know what i'm saying and that's honestly that's one of the reasons why i always make it a point to talk about that is because for example like you know darcy just mentioned you you have these people that have they're sitting on information they're sitting on evidence i mean this guy's proof of that He had three videos that were just sitting in a folder. You understand that ended up being anomalous. And because of how I expressed myself and because how I took it, you know, serious and wasn't a kook. You know, when I talk about this subject, I don't talk about it like a lot of other people that are out there throwing their crazy little theories.

I try to stay away from that shit, you know. Even with the fact that I've seen it myself, I avoid it because I know how people are. And you get a lot of people that, you know, it's like a fine line between reality and delusion. Sure. You know what I'm saying? I see it, yeah. And even going that route, you still get all this negativity. And the problem with that is that you stop people from wanting to come forward

because of that, because they don't want to deal with that shit. Yeah. You understand? And just based off of what I went through, I don't blame them. You understand? Like, I don't blame anybody not wanting to come forward because this is what's going to happen. You know, you, you got people trying to fight for a truth and then at the same time fighting

everybody who's trying to get to that truth too so it's like what are we doing yeah i mean i'm asking that all the time and especially like we're talking about before camera but y'all motherfuckers on ufo twitter that shit is wild i i'm switzerland daniel jones is switzerland yeah god bless everybody like we are not we are not a part of this world i i hope you guys figure it out because like you know we do all want the same thing and that is some form of disclosure some form of release so that we could understand what's gracing us with their presence on this planet and the cynic in me with some of that also does say, you know, our secrets in there, even two things.

One, there's government technology that we don't know about that they can't ever tell us about. And two, there are aliens and the way they've been able to simulate some sort of release shows that humanity wouldn't be able to handle it like that truth of the meaning of life on a grand scale. Those two things are problematic for getting disclosure, but like, I want to know. Yeah. I want to know. I've been searching that truth through the past decade.

Yeah. Like making these docs about pretty crazy shit, you know, like stuff that I don't really walk into a dinner party or something and bring up. Right. People go, Oh oh what do you do and i'm like uh i make documentaries and i hope that they could just stop there and then they're like no it's not gonna happen oh cool wow are you on youtube what kind of documentaries do you do ones that move the the ones about like ufos and they're like oh oh get the fuck okay yeah pretty much

basically yeah you know they're looking over at like somebody else in the room like this fucking guy and i'm like i see you doing that asshole but. What got you into this? Like, were you fascinated with aliens as a kid? I think, yeah. I was definitely fascinated with it. I think for me, I'm not like – I come from like a pretty atheist family. So I never like believed in a higher power. And I appreciate people that do for me the sort of alien thing is like as close as you could get to a scientific higher power you know like literally we're just

we're lower on the food chain right then whatever these things are interacting with our planet so it's got that like kind of wow thing for me right um and when i was really young i i made this documentary that went viral on youtube got 400 4 million hits in like a couple years this is back in like the four by three youtube days oh Yeah. I released it. I was living in Australia filming one of like my very, uh, first interviews for this documentary stuff I've been doing. Guys, if you're still watching this video and you haven't yet hit that subscribe button, please take two seconds and go hit it right now. Thank you. How old were you? 27, 20, somewhere around there.

And I actually was covering the Westall 66 event. Oh, yeah. Yeah. James had in the phenomenon. That's right. I got it before him. No shit. I did. You got scooped, James.

No, I'm serious here. No, but essentially this Australian journalist, she released a Westall 66 documentary. I think it's only about 45 minutes and it featured a guy named Shane Ryan. And he's a guy that lives in Canberra, which is the capital of the country. I was living in Sydney at the time and I drove down to Canberra which is the capital of the country i was living in sydney at the time and i drove down to canberra we went to the dish which is like the satellite dish that was used in the apollo days to track the apollo spacecraft from the southern hemisphere because they literally they had all the stuff here to track when it was in the northern northern hemisphere but then when you know the craft was going on the other side of the like when i guess the planet was rotating or some some jazz

like that they had to switch to the australian listening station to keep communication with the astronauts so we went there i set up a camera and we just interviewed Shane Ryan in front of the dish and talked about Westall 66 and what he found. But I didn't really publish that till many, many years later before, like, why would somebody come forward like that and talk about this stuff unless there's spook? To me, again, this is like people that are influenced by seeing what's going on around our planet right and he saw firsthand that go fast ufo video on the ipsec server the nimitz with with david fravor that whole thing yeah it's linked to that um no it was ryan graves it was right to r Graves exercises. So it was at the same time they were doing the naval exercises off the coast

of Florida or whatever. Was Graves off the coast of Florida or was he Virginia? Virginia. I'm sorry, Virginia. Virginia. And so he got this email. The subject matter of the email was expressing safety to flight, which is a Ryan Graves thing now, right?

And they were basically saying, should we scrap these exercises? Because these objects have been coming up in our field where we're practicing with these F-18s and stuff like that. And we got this video of this object and they show the he attached that video and all the people in the thread analyzed it and um i think tim gallaudet is one of these people that he even said in interviews i've done with him uh we we just did like the big things podcast with Christian Karloff. And he was saying like I was interested in UFOs and aliens and stuff like earlier on in my life. Wait, Tim said that?

Yeah, he said. Like he was – he already – his mind scientifically was open to the idea that we're not alone in the universe, right? We keep mentioning him. Would you mind just defining who Rear Admiral Gallaudet is? So Rear Admiral Tim Gallaudet served with the Navy for 32 years. Seven of those years, he was the chief oceanographer for the Navy. So whenever they're doing these exercises, his job is to know the weather, the ocean conditions, make sure everything is safe for them to practice their flights off of carriers and all that type of stuff he's like the al roker of the

navy there you go yeah basically yeah it's gonna rain yeah it's gonna rain hot today but um essentially he was doing that for the Navy for seven years. He also was a director for NOAA. He has his oceanography degree from Scripps University. This is a smart man. He's not – Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

I don't think he's very susceptible to foolish thinking. So he was open to the idea that we're not alone. And then when they saw those videos, he says, like, the first thing I thought is this object does not have traditional flight surfaces like wings. It's flying against the wind. People can debate whether it was going this amount of miles per hour or that nasa tried to debunk it i showed that in my documentary at the very start right which is a whole other thing i think nasa has been debunking for many many years because that's part of their job um yeah but here's a fact it was in the middle of nowhere in the ocean doesn't't have traditional flight surfaces. We don't know any gas or battery-based drones that can do that and can be flying in territory that is protected by the security of the United States Navy and Air Force, right?

So what was this object? It has to be something highly anomalous that was trying to stay out of our purview. And they have only been started, like we've only really started detecting them en masse since we've, if you listen to David Fravor and Ryan Graves' testimony, they say we had just upgraded our radar systems we just our craft are starting to see them more and more and more right and um you know recently there was the case with matt gates going to eglin air force base um and he wanted to find out about this UAP encounter that happened with, I think, again, it was like F-18 fighter jets that were scrambled over the Gulf of New Mexico to intercept four objects in a triangle formation. There's an illustration that came out of that investigation

that Matt Gates headed up at Eglin Air Force Base. And people on Twitter and stuff are saying, it's true, the Millennium Falcon exists, right? Because it has this weird like horseshoe shape. I'm sure Alessi could pull that up. But that encounter happened in January of 2023. So recently. A year ago.

Very recently, yeah. Yeah. So we're still, it's not like these are one-offs. They just keep happening, and they will keep happening. That's, I'm pretty confident in saying that we're eventually going to get to the bottom of who are flying these. Right. Is it us, or is it them? That's the question.

Or is it both? Yeah, it could be. And that's the other thing because through the people I've gotten to know doing this podcast on and off camera, the whole DARPA thing, we were talking about this before we hopped on today, that blows my mind because it feels very legit to me based on all the people i've had a chance to speak with that they are potentially 30 40 years ahead in technology which is insane to think about but it could also go to the fact that there are realms of physical possibility that they have had access to for a very long time and like not to go full.

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...tinfoil hat here, but we know, for example, that in World War II, which was a wild shit show at the end of it after it ended, we know that the Nazi rocket program was pretty insane. Now, how insane? That's up for debate. It could just be like it was insane for the time and we're way past that now. But these are the guys that ended up getting us on the moon, Operation Paperclip and all that stuff. Yep. So you have to – Wernher von Braun. Right. Exactly.

You have to wonder if there was some IP given how widespread Operation Paperclip was where they were taking Nazi scientists essentially. The best and brightest. Right. scientists essentially the best and brightest right right given how widespread that was you have to wonder if there was some form of ip that was then brought in through them that has transformed into this whole thing but what fascinates me about it is that and you actually laid this out in your documentary too and we'll get to those specific stories but some of the mainstream like more ufo sighting tic-tac type stories, things like that were happening right after World War II, right? Like military bases in the late 40s, early 50s as well. There's one story that's a little crazy where they talk about Washington, D.C.

And then you don't hear – The flyover, right? Right, right. You don't hear – like there's stories throughout the 20th century. Don't get me wrong, but you don't hear as many stories like that with that type of sighting. And then you see the 2004 sightings, whether it be Fravor, Graves and what they saw. Right. And they actually got it.

Like, that's what I love about Fravor. He showed he's like, here's the video. You tell me. Right. Like, I'm just like, this is what I saw. It went boop, boop, boop. Like, this doesn't make sense. It doesn't seem like it's of this earth to me, but you tell me. This is what I saw. It went boop, boop, boop. This doesn't make sense.

It doesn't seem like it's of this earth to me, but you tell me. When I saw that, that really changed the game for me because I'm like, okay, it could be DARPA, but that shit's crazy. Well, you have to thank Lou Elizondo for that video. I know that you – No, that's fair. Explain that. I know that you, yeah, no, that, no, that's, that's, that's fair. Like that's the, I mean, the thing is everybody gets on these, uh, he's a co-intel guy and, um, you know, evil and whatever, but it's like, I didn't call him evil. No, I'm just, there are people though. They do right in the community.

And, um, the thing that everybody just looks right past is that Christopher Mellon and Lou Elizondo leaked those videos they saw those videos so again you go back to the DHS agent right they see something and they go what the fuck is that right right and they go okay I want to see if I can get this out that's what happened technically to Christopher Mellon he goes goes, what the fuck is that? And he goes, I got to get this out. Lou, let's get these out. And they use Two Stars Academy and they start getting them out, right?

As safe as they can without breaking the law and getting thrown in jail because classified information will, you know, Mark D'Antonio talks about that in this documentary. The Mufon guy? Yeah. The, like, astro astronomer. Right. So it's a non-jail time agreement is what he says, right? He doesn't want to break his oath and explain information about a mission that was classified. But he wants to talk generally about what he can say that will not reveal information

that will get him in trouble. And so anyways, I just jumped around a bunch there. No, that's okay. trouble and so anyways i just jumped around a bunch there but what i'm what i'm saying is lou alzondo and christopher mellon i think they started off with a very altruistic motive there they wanted to see how the world would react if they knew that there are things flying in our skies that outmaneuver our state-of-the-art craft known and um what is it are we alone in the universe right so part of that like experience you had post 2017 that ontological shock which is like whoa you're searching right you're searching you're searching, right? You're searching, you're searching.

I had that really early on in my adulthood. Like I was probably 2021 working a dead end job at an insurance sales company. It's always what it is. Insurance sales. Oh my God. I was like, I can't do this. I'm, I, I'm a piece of trash, but, um, so I would come back from work and, you know, I was already kind of on the UFO bandwagon. I was already interested in that stuff. Um, I had reached out, um, privately to guys like Jose Escamilla, who's no longer with us, you know he was making ufo documentaries back when james fox first started right james did beyond the blue and stuff like that he's very aware of who jose eschamelia did what he was working on right and um james sound like he's 90 poor guy. Nah, nah. He looks good for his age. He looks great. But so essentially I was already interested in this and I was making my inroads to investigating on my own and trying to get to know people and get testimony and all that stuff. And I worked on my very first documentary I ever did was based off of the Phil Schneider testimony. I don't know if you ever looked into this guy. Phil Schneider, maybe. Let's pull it up.

He was a dude that was hitting like Bigfoot conferences and UFO conferences back in the day in like the early 90s talking about deep underground military bases and the idea that these were housing clandestine technology yeah the underground so i did this documentary called the underground oh no kidding yeah and and that's the guy that's the dude yeah i've never seen him he's famous for like holding up his hand joe rogan is like totally dunked on this guy like oh this guy's he must have done dmt or something that's crazy uh but yeah he's famous for like um holding up his hand mid uh lecture and he's missing like a bunch of fingers on one hand he said that he got into a battle with aliens like see he's trying to do up his collar he can't because he's missing like his pinky and ring finger i want what he had um but he's he's a captivating speaker and um you know at the time i was uh dating this girl that was like have you ever

heard of phil schneider and i'm like no she's like he said he got into a battle with underground aliens when they were trying to build a military base and i was like what what like just all these mind explosions i was like what tell me more and like he's the boy who lived yeah yeah so he he lived to to see another day and told these tales and um but i don't think what he said is 100 true right i think what happened was he some of the stuff he touched on was true which is that we do have deep underground military bases and his dad possibly was brought over as a german scientist to work for the american oh his dad what yeah he his dad was otto schneider yeah and so i think there is some truth to some of the things that phil schneider was discussing and um whether he killed himself or he got killed, that's what people argue about. Because what happened was, you know, not too long after he was really hitting these lectures, building a grassroots movement, he was found in a motel room with his own catheter cord wrapped around his throat and he was dead. So, you know.

Catheter cord wrapped around his throat well initially they didn't see it because of the swelling they thought it was a self-inflicted gunshot wound no no they didn't see no they thought he just died from a heart attack it was not till he gathered a cord around his neck well because he was a little bit he was a little bit overweight and so his throat imagine you've got this like rubber cord, but then your throat and under your chin here is kind of like swollen and sitting over top of it. Oh, he had a couple of chins. He had a couple of chins. Right.

Probably. It's all good. But I put like the autopsy report and the photos from his autopsy in the documentary. They were given to me by Phil's late wife, Cynthia Dreher. She just wanted his story to be told. And it's a really crazy story in the UFO community. So I wanted to cover it um but it was not till his body got to the coroner when they were like literally trying to dress it up for a funeral the funeral home called the police

they found the catheter they found the catheter and they were like is this like a micro catheter no it was pretty big yeah yeah so once once the police got tapped again cynthia dreher started his ex-wife launched her own investigation and was like wait a second this isn't adding up before he passed away he even set out lectures if i die i'm not killing myself i've been shot i've been attacked somebody doesn't want me talking about this stuff, blah, blah, blah, right? And look, David Krush came forward with that congressional hearing recently, and they asked him, do you know – I think it was Tim Burchett. Do you know of anybody that has been threatened or their lives have been threatened or they have been – He said, I can't.

And he says – I'm not comfortable. He says, yes, I have. No, he they have been. He said, I can't. And he says, yes, I have. No, he did say yes. He said yes. But he said, I gave that to the relevant authorities and I'm not going to speak on that in this spot, right? I think he said something like that after, but the initial was people have died

and people have been threatened and hurt. And he said, I have been, like me and my family have also been targeted with these with these activities so um you know uh it just brings back you know to like the phil schneider story was he actually killed i don't know um but he was talking about some pretty out there stuff that were building up a sort of mimetic at that time notoriety and people wanted to hear him at conferences and they were going traveling all around the United States to see him and then he died and there's a guy named Anthony Sanchez that wrote UFO Highway he said that he spoke to a colonel that actually was a director of managing the

Los Alamos laboratories. Like Oppenheimer? Kind of like that, but like a colonel. And you know, it's almost like reading science fiction. so don't quote me on this being completely true. But I read the book and, you know, if it is true, this guy says that he actually gave documents to Phil Schneider right Okay, imagine you're somebody today that works for DHS or works for the Navy or something, and you've got some information you want to push disclosure. So you go to Jeremy Corbell, you go to Andy here, and you give them the goods. That's essentially what that story is about it's like somebody saw phil schneider speaking and like making a grassroots movement becoming popular and then this guy was like i'm going to give him the documents to prove everything he's talking about and um cynthia talks about in my early documentary that like the room looked like it was raided when the police like went through and found the body.

His face was head down in his wheelchair. Right. He was in a wheelchair too? He was not well. But he strangled himself with a catheter cord? With no fingers. With no fingers. Yeah, I don't know.

Anyways, so there's way. Worse than Epstein. Yeah, fingers. Yeah, I don't know. Anyways, so there's way – Worse than Epstein. Yeah, okay. Well, yeah. I mean people have argued that you could technically wrap a catheter cord around your throat and tie it tight and then do a ton of drugs and pass out. But that's what – That's not how I would go. No, it's not a great way to go.

But if he was suffering suffering maybe he wanted to do that i'm not saying it's beyond the realm of possibility but that's something cynthia dreyer was trying to track down she wanted to get the autopsy report from his death and find out the toxicology of his blood and urine samples so they could understand what drugs were in his system at the time so they could find out if he had done it or not and as she says and as it's marked on the autopsy report they said um you know the results were inconclusive she never got the blood or urine samples they said they lost them oh convenient right and then on top of that um in the newspaper they said he died of natural causes like there was just like all these weird things uh but anyways if you think about that

story it just there's things that echo all the way to what's going on now in the UAP phenomenon and the community and these whistleblowers, like there could be some truth to some of it. Yeah. And we're on this tangent right now through Gallaudet. I'm going to come back to that, but I want to stay with this for a second. Sure.

Cause you did bring up David Grush in there. So he's interesting to me because first of all, he's definitely a very intelligent guy. And secondly, some of the things he says and some of the places he's not willing to go as far as like saying, I can't confirm this or something like that. I actually kind of appreciate because it doesn't feel like he's just raking everything out there at once. But it's controversial. There's people who are like, OK, why is this guy talking to a bunch of Goldman Sachs bankers for like $200,000 in New York on a Tuesday? Is he monetizing it? And there's people who are like, what if – there's another argument.

What if he was – as a smart guy who was inquisitive about stuff, he was left some kernels behind the scenes on purpose so that he would come out and do something like this. And they probably had other people they may have tried to do that with. And these are interesting arguments. But I'm going to have Jesse Michaels on the podcast at some point when he comes out to New York soon. But he's known Grush for years. I think he's known him for, I want to say it's like three years

or something like that and when I brought up some of the stuff with him just to get a feel and I'm sure we'll do it on the podcast he could explain a lot better than me but what he was saying is that the volume of evidence and information that

Grush has accumulated exactly is too far and information that Grush has... Accumulated? Accumulated, exactly. Is too far for it to be like a... A complete hoax, yes. So, yeah, my theory on Grush is somebody very intelligent knew that this was a bloodhound, that if they sicked them on this subject to head up the UAP task force, they would find

results. And when he found results, he pushed the boundaries to get read in to these special access programs. It didn't work, but he got some testimony from the people that were part of them and he accumulated that testimony and accumulated whatever files and you know pictures or videos or whatever he could get out of them to prove their claims and so you know all of these skips have been happening i don't know if you've been following those but but... The what? Skiffs. Expand upon that. What does skiffs stand for? Secret compartmentalized... Yeah, I know what it is, but what do you mean

the skiffs have been happening? Well, on Capitol Hill, these meetings have been happening with congressional members. Super Hot Luna, what's her name? Oh my god. Paulina? Paulina paulina yeah she is a babe she is legit yeah um so paulina temper chad a whole bunch of these congressional members have been taking their turns going into these skiffs with most likely david grush and they've

been getting maybe some other people too right maybe some other people we don't know who's in the skiff with them we just know that they're coming out like yeah oh god you know like there's a video there's a lot of them coming out there's a have you not seen the youtube video of like the the you should try and pull that up alessi if you can there's a have you not seen the youtube video of like the the you should try and pull that up we'll let see if you can there's like just look up um uh congressional members walking out of oh yeah yeah and it's like what at a time they walk up to these like journalists and the journalists are just like so what did you find out and And they're just like, oh, I can't talk about it, but there's something going on. You know, like they're just like, they're, you know what they're going through, right?

They're going through the same 21 year old Darcy experience working at a dead end sales insurance job, insurance sales job, basically being shocked by the idea that we're not in control. We're not alone. We're not the master of our own domain, you know? Right. Yeah, it's the brain. And somebody is keeping that truth from us, which is the greatest crime against humanity. Well, is it though? And again, I want to know, right?

But if I'm playing devil's advocate and I'm looking at it with things I can't even imagine because I'm not in there, right? But let's just say for a second that, you know what? Have you ever heard the legend and that's really what it is? Like I'm not sure that this happened and I would bet it didn't, but you ever hear the Jimmy Carter legend? request to some UFO organization at the time to find out if they had any other testimony and files on what he had seen in the 1970s. Okay, that was not what I was talking about. No, that's interesting. Okay, I'm talking about the story. And I'm putting this in huge air quotes, because it's more of a legend that it maybe didn't happen but like

jimmy carter very religious guy apparently the story goes he got read in on some of the ufo stuff yeah and the guys who read him in i guess like you know the cia guys or whoever they were men in black if you will yeah walked out of the Oval Office and he was weeping. And he was weeping because essentially what they had revealed to him was that because of what they know vis-a-vis extraterrestrial life, all of the organized world religions are wrong. And it's really just a social experiment to make us live with ourselves in the meaning of life while we're here. And he, being a very religious guy, couldn't handle that. Now, I don't know that that story happened. That's really urban legend more than anything. But when you look at something like that

and you start to think about what effects societally this kind of thing could have, that's where I can see it the way of maybe the few in government who may know the truth if they do, where they can simulate these things ahead of time they have and forget i'm not even talking about darpa technology with ai and human simulation i'm talking just the stuff we know about that google has and stuff they can simulate how populations will react to certain oh yeah impedi if we're going to make impetus plural right and i like

that if they could if they could simulate that based on what – if they told the truth, for example, and put it out there, there would be social collapse around the world because people's meaning of life would just be shattered such that in the short term calamity could strike all the way up to and including nuclear war or something. We're almost there right now. We're almost there, which is an interesting point. But you see what I'm saying? Yeah. I could see why, you know, a one world government in that way, if it's multiple governments or the United States government, whoever it is, I could see why they're like, oh, shit. Yeah, we can't put that out. So I think that was the old way of looking at that. Right. that right like that is literally the Manhattan Project establishment in science and the military saying we need to control this topic we need to keep it out of the public so it doesn't catch

fire and destroy our social systems which is like religion the economy whatever, but dude, like, I thought that that was going to happen in 2017 when they released the Tic Tac video and the go fast and, and the gimbal stuff. Right. That did not happen. Everybody was like, huh? You see the UFC fight? I know. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like people just go back to their daily lives because they really don't, I don't think a lot of people can conceptualize it.

And also many of the debunkers I've run into, they, I think they are affected by the idea that this could be real. And part of the reason why they are affected by the idea that this could be real. And part of the reason why they are debunkers is because they don't want it to be real. It challenges their worldview so badly. And some of those people are part of their own um ego and communal bias like sort of rabbit hole too like neil degrasse tyson he dunks on ufology or ufo phenomenon non-stop he does go a little hard at that for sure yeah like a little too hard yes i agree bill nye the

science guy like don't take him too seriously obviously he's wearing the bow tie and stuff i used to love the guy you know the friggin the salt vinegar volcanoes on tv when i was a kid now i don't because you know he's just like woefully ignorant towards the science that this is actually producing. state-of-the-art military fighter jets over our oceans and apparently in our oceans right like the submarines that are being buzzed the sonar guys are picking up we'll get there um it would seem that there is some data collection happening on this phenomenon from the military and possibly from scientific organizations. But that information is not allowed to be given to the public. It is classified. And Tim Galladet talks a little bit about that in the documentary. I say to him, like, okay, if the Navy does have what's called like a fast mover program where they're cataloging Navy encounters with USOs, which has been brought up, you know, multiple times by people that have witnessed USOs on submarines, for example. Two people,

Mark D'Antonio, on his very first ride on a submarine, has a fast mover encounter. Bob McGuire, he goes by Science Bob in the UFO community. If you watch Jeremy Corbell's Tubi TV documentary made, produced with TMZ, Bob McGuire is brought up by Ralph Blumenthal. New York Times guy. New York Times journalist. And Ralph apparently interviewed Bob McGuire about his very first time being on a submarine witnessing a USO, a fast mover. So if this is happening when like civilians get invited on these, you know, Navy exercises, classified, they're not allowed to talk about it, but it's their very first ride on one of these submarines and they're witnessing USOs, you got to think, is this pretty common? And does the Navy fully know that this is in our

oceans? They're monitoring it, but they're not telling the public at all about it. And so I asked Tim, if there is a fast mover program, where is that listening data? Where is that sonar data where is it being stored and he said i'm pretty aware of what it is uh and he's like one of my jobs in investigating this is actually to find out um if i can get access to that information and currently he's actually get trying to get his security clearance reinstated to do that didn't he say that he believed there was a weird way he put this that he believed it was like a partner to the navy but privately held or something like that so that was i i like made a note of that in my head like yeah the way he put that, he was very tentative on how to put it. Yeah.

So I referenced it like this. I said kind of like the National Geospatial Agency, which if one might note is where David Grush came from. And their clients are like the military and the other intelligence agencies throughout the united states so their clients are like the dod the nsa whatever if they need data they feed their reports and that data into them right all right hold on guys we lost the camera for a second. You were talking about some reference to something, though. Yeah, I was just saying that, you know, there's testimony that supposedly there's a third party that's been collecting this Navy data regarding fast movers and USOs being investigated by the Navy. And apparently that third party is John Hopkins University. Hmm.

You got a pretty good source for that. Pretty good source. Yeah. Can't say who. Okay. So you had said back towards the beginning of our sit down today that he, you know, you and him and Gallaudet had gotten into contact and he trusted you to

give you some of this information. And what had really opened his mind to this was the go fast video. Yeah. He witnessed it before it was released to the public, released to the public years before this, you know, 2017 New York times release and all that stuff did he have any familiarity on cases that had been reported by the navy not even during his time but before him because i know you got into some of these cases you got into a really cool one in 1952 the documentary on the uss roosevelt but did he have anything to say about some of the

anomalous navy potential sightings that had occurred I don't think so um look I would love to introduce you to him so you can have him come on the podcast I would actually really like to have yeah I will I'll introduce you tonight but he told told me, excuse me, he's not doing interviews right now. Like he's done one interview with me, like I told you earlier, and he's, I think it has to do with getting his security clearance back. things the right way a bit more scientifically and not come off like a new UFO celebrity right you know what I mean he's just trying to like do things the right way and I really respect that yes you also referenced early on in the conversation in the middle of some stuff about him like a white paper or something that he just released yeah he's connected to the sol foundation that was actually set up by gary nolan and uh initially david grush was kind of part of that

but he's stepped back um and he takes it very seriously because the sol foundation is a group of scientists you know you got Jacques Vallee Gary Nolan um Larry McGuire who's uh MP with the Canadian government who's been pushing for disclosure from a Canadian perspective um who else you got in that there's a lot of people a lot of a lot of like a lot of names i haven't heard before either yeah and and so tim is part of that group and he just wrote a paper on the uso phenomenon and uaps over in in our oceans and just um you know i've been reading it i haven't fully finished it but i've gotten pretty far into it and some of the things that he talks about are just so like altruistic. He's pushing for advocacy, but also for science the oceans to be aware there is a UAP presence or a USO presence there and to factor into that research about what's going on in our oceans. Because he even says like there are greater unknowns about our ocean than the surface of the moon or the Mars or the surface of Mars.

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of true so there's a lot of if you think about it too like scientifically there's a lot of challenges that the ocean um poses that that like maybe the moon mean, there's definitely challenges there too, right? There's reasons why we haven't been back. Just a few. But the obvious challenges about the ocean is the pressures as you go deeper. You can't have a large vessel like a big Navy submarine. Right. You get into these compact little deep submersibles that sometimes blow up. Shout out Titanic sub.

Oh, my gosh. R.I.P. Yeah, super sad. Tough way to go, man. Yeah. Actually, it's a good way because it was quick. Well, it was quick, but still, that's not 2,000 meters under the water, whatever it was, no thanks.

Yeah, that's not it. Yeah, I wouldn't sign up for that trip but um but the the the challenges are you have to build a craft that can withstand that james cameron's done it yes this guy um he's a savage james cameron james cameron knows about this phenomenon oh yeah he knows what's up especially if you look at he made a documentary called aliens of the deep he did years years up james cameron hopping into the uso phenomenon not necessarily what he poses is could there be ocean-like planets like ours that harbor alien life underneath uh at the bottoms of their oceans like in atlantis if you will yeah and um the other thing is have you ever seen the film the abyss yeah of course yeah okay

the opening of the abyss is about a famous case of a the uss scorpion or USS Scorpio that went missing in the Bermuda Triangle. Okay? So he knows something. He's writing an actual Navy deep, like, submersed anomaly that has happened in our human history into a science fiction about aliens living at the depths of our ocean right

where did he get this idea i mean terminator is all about ai right so he's on to something there and people are still shouting you know elon musk and Musk and Christopher Nolan's brother and everybody is saying the end is nigh with AI. So he was on to something. Is he on to something regarding the abyss and Navy encounters with USOs or just anomalies, right? The Bermuda Triangle is a highly anomalous area. And this man here and I traveled to Puerto Rico to start shooting another USO-related documentary. USO specifically? Well, UAP and USO. Because Puerto Rico, believe it or not, is a hotbed for UFO, USO activity.

And it's right at the edge of the bermuda triangle it's also can we pull up a map of the bermuda triangle alessi i know we always talk about it but like yeah people looking at it it's at the edge but it's also right at the top of one of the deepest ocean trenches in the world and you look at the edge of the island of Puerto Rico and right after that fall is the deepest ocean mountain in the world that goes down to one of the deepest places in the ocean and that is where so many puerto rican residents have seen ufos or usos emanating from over the decades like literally we we went around the island and we interviewed so many people and they were just like ovnis ovnis yeah they're they're coming from the ocean you know and like we're like yeah we believe you man there's some weird stuff going on yeah i mean even outside this have you ever seen the the under the underwater pyramids off of cuba oh yeah i've seen oh my god yeah has grant cameron covered that or sorry not grant cameron uh gra Hancock? Graham Hancock, yeah. Probably? I don't know.

I know Mount LaCroix has brought it up a lot in here, and he's not the only one. There's other people who have covered this. Graham probably did. But I don't know if you can pull that up, Alessi. It's the pyramids off the coast of Cuba. But they found, I want to say it was like 2,000 down or something literal pyramids and you know you can start to go far down the rabbit holes with these things totally okay oh my god is that for real yes so this is a this is a reproduced image if i remember this correctly this is not the actual image this is a reproduced image based on the scanning that they did but it looks like

it's a combination of egyptian pyramids and mel gibson's movie signs right like but it's underwater yeah so you think about and this is right off the coast of cuba yeah so you think about stuff like this and you start to wonder again you get back to that 95 or whatever it is yeah that we haven't even looked at with the oceans and what could be happening. It is believable that there are anomalous things happening because, by the way, if I were running some secret government stuff too, guess where I'm doing it? I'm doing it in some of the anomalous places where maybe – I don't know. It's deep enough down there. It's a little bit remote.

They're not going to take seriously the locals who see it. There's certainly some impetus for that, but I'm blown away with some of the alleged sight because a fascinating part about all ufo lore to me is that obviously there's been aspects of it in our history that have always been around but the post-world war two ramp up of like people actually and again they had more access to report things far and wide because mass media was starting to form in that period but like of of these sightings all over the world and particularly when you bring in like nuclear bases and things like that or nuclear detonations correct in the ocean yes so and that's right on topic with some of the stuff you got to like it gets interesting and the one i mentioned this a little bit earlier but if you wouldn't mind laying out the whole story the one that really blew my mind was the 1952 USS Roosevelt oh the operation main brace yes where was this and what

happened so it was in the um arctic area wasn't it I can't remember can you Alessi, can you bring up Operation Main Brace UFO? We're getting damn near Antarctica. No, no. Antarctic South. Arctic is North. Oh, did I fuck that up? It's all good. God damn it.

I'm not a geographer. Yeah, Antarctica is also, yeah. Operation Main Brace. Yeah, you know, History Channel did a thing on it. That's reliable. Yeah, and this- Yeah, well, it's getting a little biased these days. 1952, only months after a rash of flying saucer sightings over Washington, D.C., made headlines around the world. Dozens of military officers participating in NATO exercises in the North Atlantic were struck by their own UFO fever.

Exercise main brace was the largest peacetime military exercise since World War II. The war game style maneuvers simulated NATO's response to a mock attack on Europe, presumably by the Soviet Union. The main brace operation involved 200 ships, 1,000 planes, and 80,000 soldiers from multiple NATO countries, including large deployments from the United States the United Kingdom and this is where allegedly a USO sighting occurred mm-hmm well it was more UFOs over the ocean and seen kind of like coming from you know it's like could they have been coming from the ocean i think that's what i'm kind of posing is like we used to look at this phenomenon as it must be coming from space which it could be but what if it's emanating from our oceans, kind of like the James Cameron sort of theory, right?

It's that they've got a facility where they've got a location that's hard for us to reach without our craft exploding. You know what I mean? And they have superior technology. They're out of sight. They're out of sound most of the time, unless we're doing some military practices that may jeopardize them. And, you know, I show this video in the doc that Andy actually gave me. He's like a wealth of information. And that's the Bikini Atoll bomb testing.

I used to have that picture in the old studio. Well, there's actually six objects that come up right near the blast zone of that footage. If you pull it up. Really? Yeah. There's literally nothing there and just six objects materialized right around the blast zone. In Bikini Atoll? Yeah.

In that famous picture? The video. From the 19... Oh, they have that video? Yeah, I think it's in the... Yeah, I only have the video from the 19 video yeah i think i only had the picture on the one i think it's in the yeah you can find you can find it on youtube they have the whole you know because they made like a little like movie out of it or something like that interesting and right as the blast is occurring and the water's you know uh shooting up into the air you see six objects white objects just appear out of nowhere. Okay, let's watch it right here. We got it on the screen.

This might be a little bit different from the one that he's got. I think the one he has is not necessarily a bikini at all. I think it's 1950s instead of 1946. You can pull it up in the doc if you want. I think you downloaded it.

We did. Yeah, I dropped that to you, right, Alessi? Yeah. The of 1946. You can pull it up in the doc if you want. I think you downloaded it. We did. Yeah, I already dropped that to you, right, Alessi? Yeah. The full doc. Do you remember what part that was in? I think I used it before I went to Richard Dolan. So that's early. Because you went, I mean, his first appearance was like probably 15 minutes in.

20-something, maybe. We can pull it up in a sec, but i'll let you sort of scan through but um yeah nope keep going yep keep going that's still mufon guy right there yeah that's dan turnio yeah yeah and then uh keep going that's jim goodall i remember this dude yeah he's the best dressed guy in the dot we smoked a lot of weed yeah that guy i'm telling you that guy smokes like this stuff called chernobyl and it like blew me oh it's called chernobyl it's called chernobyl and it like is so high in thc i was like complete i almost i was having like ego death in the middle of the interview i was like we're doing it while you're on camera yeah i was like complete i almost i was having like ego death in the middle of the interview

oh you were doing it while you were on camera yeah i was talking to him no you had to go back oh man uh sorry alessi but um yeah i lost my mind when we took that hit of marijuana that's the least surprising thing i've heard oh there see you see the film so it go back a little bit well you just yeah i know you just have to like hit double click that backward button yeah and let it go back i don't know it might be forward i think less he's on the right track yeah um but um we'll let it come up in a sec yeah it's like you look at like a video like that and is it an atmospheric phenomenon that's being formed from the detonation of this nuclear bomb like uh i think it's the hydrogen bomb they're testing at

this point because they came to that later in the ocean or are these ufos showing up right right i guess this is it right here ufo navy event 1958 hydrogen bomb test yeah so you're saying there's six objects that oh yeah there's three there is the camera pans up you see another one up top yeah kind of like lowers the original footage you can see a much much clearer okay but um you know so andy and i are talking about it and we're like wait a second what if we're bombing these oceans ocean areas where so basically if we are sharing the planet with something right um if there is a species or some kind of intelligent race that exists here on this planet and are possibly using the oceans as their home or their base of operations and we're detonating these explosives or these nuclear

bombs in the oceans um that's going to be a concern for them as well because the energy released from these explosions is not little you know no and we all know it travels very well through water sound and you know energy travels very far so it's going to affect them as well if they're down there you understand it may be a danger to them as well do you think that at the time of us doing a test like that we didn't have any intelligence to say we we they're down there so that's why meaning we wouldn't have done it if we knew that because we would have been we would have feared the reverberations of the punishment they may inflict upon us i don't think they i don't i mean i know that we've had our incidents where we've seen these things but

i don't think there was any real correlation with the ocean yet so i think it was just us doing what we were doing and doing the tests and then i mean if you know uh once we began doing these tests and these explosions the uptick in sightings i mean just skyrocket yes we had a lot more incidents and if you put it in that perspective then if something was there now we're a threat to them and their existence yeah I'm there like um there was a I don't know podcaster or a journalist that asked Lou Elizondo a while ago if there was one book that you could read on this subject of what's going on with UAPs and UFOs? What would it be? And he said, you should read Chains of the Sea. Chains of the Sea is a science fiction book, but it touches on all of these strange things that are currently culminating in reality right now. Chains to the Sea is about UFOs landing in a few major cities across the world.

I think one's in Venezuela, a couple in the United States. And when they land, we have artificial intelligence on the planet that's very advanced, which we're getting there now. Hasn't gone rogue or anything yet, but we're starting to see some major things happening, right? So AI interfaces with these landed non-human intelligent extraterrestrial craft. Humans interface by attacking them the ai has a conversation with the non-human intelligent extraterrestrial uh beings that have landed and the ai starts having private conversations with them because they realize like the humans have lost it they've probably blown their uh chance to

have a good dialogue with this higher intelligence and when they ask the extraterrestrials like what's up what's going on in reality um the ets say you're actually the humans are not actually the masters of this domain there's other intelligence that are higher and more superior that are also living here that have more mastery over this domain and some of that was alluded to being ocean-based so So it just kind of like, and I think he said that it was only 25% accurate, if that, but he was trying to say all of these things are at play here.

And look, artificial intelligence might be part of every advanced civilization's natural progression with technology how do we know some of this ufo activity is not something like a von von neumann von neumann probe probe right like an ai that's been produced by a non-human intelligence and is checking out our planet, that's checking out our oceans, our skies, and our orbit of our planet. Yeah. Actually, I had this back and forth with Michio Kaku. I believe it was on camera. But, you know, he's one of the guys who, obviously, he's looking at a lot of this with a very open mind,

which I appreciate a lot, and he's such a good dude and makes me love science. So it's pretty cool to see him actually like explore this. But he does talk about the argument of like, okay, if they've actually been here and landed and all these people have seen him, somebody, please, steal a pen, steal something, get a piece of aluminum. We don't have any of that. If we do, it's in the government, but we don't have any of that if we do it's in the government but you know we don't have proof of that yeah at this time trace evidence right but what i posed to him is i said what if they could simulate this and my point is what if they could simulate being seen

what if they're so far ahead whatever these advanced beings are that they could simulate oh we want to make sure these assholes on this island here see us this time or we're going to actually land and like have an interaction with them they're not going to get shit from us but we're going to talk to them you know telepathically or something like that and then people are just going to have to be like they're crazy for the rest of their lives because they want to fuck with us because it's like their video game like oh let's see what these cute little humans with sticks do do to each other like what if that is a part of the calculation for all of these ufo sightings it could be like that you know it could

be one of the reasons why you know they don't want information coming out as to the reality of it because it might just mess with everybody i mean you know, you wake up every day believing in something and then have that reality just shattered in front of your face. That, you know. You sure as hell don't want to go sell insurance. I know. But I mean, from, you know, and I know we spoke about this before we started, but from personal experience, I do know how this can really affect people. Yeah. Like, I've met people as well who, you know, I'm very skeptical when it comes to stories, even though I've had my own experience.

What was your experience? In Long Island during the early 90s, I basically was outside in the pool with my best friend. And it was mid-afternoon, like would say like maybe 2 o'clock. I was about 13 years old, and right above my house was sitting a craft. There's no other way for me to explain it. What did it look like? Classic disc. It was just literally, the only way I could describe it is like it was stuck in the sky.

It wasn't moving. It was just there. only way I could describe it is like it was stuck in the sky. It wasn't moving. It was just there. How close to you approximately? I would say about 150 to 200 feet. And how big-ish, like ballpark? I would say it was about 50, 60 feet diameter. Like it was big. Did you say this was broad daylight?

Broad daylight. There was no lights on it or nothing. It was the actual physical object so you and your friend both saw it yeah i looked to my left and he was staring up right at it too so that's kind of why i was like all right i'm not going crazy um which helped because when you and this is why i say what i'm saying because this is so far out there that your own eyes don't believe what you're seeing you're literally standing there staring at this thing, and your brain can't comprehend what it is that you're looking at.

Did you have any concept of time and how long? Yeah, we were able to see it for, I believe it was a good, I want to say literally like three or four minutes. That's a long time. Well, it was sitting there, absolutely still, and then after looking at it for a few seconds, it to move to the left of us which is east and um i tell everybody the best way to describe how this moved because it was the weird believe it or not the movement was the weirdest thing not the craft or anything like that it was how it moved because it was so odd like i mean

could change direction anti-gravitational you know well. Well, it was, I explain it like, you ever play air hockey? Yeah. You know the air hockey? Exactly, yes. And then you just give it a little tap and it moves. That's literally how this thing like moved. It was the weirdest thing. How old were you?

Like it was nudged in the sky or something. Yeah, it's so weird. I was about 13 years old when I saw this, 13 or 14. Do you still talk with your friend today who was there were you? Like it was nudged in the sky or something. Yeah, it's so weird. I was about 13 years old when I saw this, 13 or 14. Do you still talk with your friend today who was there with you? I haven't spoken to him in a while, but the last time I did speak to him, he kind of like pushed it off. There's just some people that will gravitate towards it and other people who just want nothing to do with it. Three to four minutes is a long time Yeah to be seeing something like that. I mean was there any light emanating off of it?

Like what did do you remember anything that stood out so to speak besides what you've already laid out obviously, um, I Mean I could I could see the surface texture of it. That's how close it was how clear it was It was like I described like a DeLorean like you see the delorean texture it was similar to that um at one point as it was moving you can uh the light the sun's light reflected off of it as well which is another piece of information that told me that okay i'm not going crazy this really is there and it just continued hovering um to the east i would estimate probably like at the speed 10 miles per hour. I would assume it was very, very, very slow. So it's not whipping.

Nothing. It made no sound or nothing. Do you remember it arriving, or did you just look up and it was there? We were playing. It just got the sense to look up and boop, right? That's where it was. Were you guys hitting each other with noodles? Right? Trust me after that.

Wasn't that the best part of being in a pool? As soon as we got the noodles, man, we were either shooting this stuff out of the middle of it at each other or... That's it. So they did that in Canada? Oh, baby. Really? We loved the noodle wars.

I thought it was like 20 degrees up there at all times. Yeah. We get off our polar bears sometimes okay yeah their noodles in a whip their noodles just clobbered gotcha frozen fall apart alessi do you remember i think it was episode 1945 of rogan last year with eric weinstein the one where he went michigaku michigaku's out of control he got deep on the whole phenomenon in that and he talked about he was going like big brain shit during that whole like four hour thing but he talked about some was it stony brook something located with stony brook university like some lab

or something like that out on long island i think that. Yeah, so I didn't really know much about this, and I really should look into it. But that's another thing that makes me wonder, because apparently the question is, is it, like we said earlier, is it one or the other or both? Are they studying the phenomenon and creating crazy technology there too,

so there's appearances of both? Or are they strictly studying the phenomenon and it's being observed by this East Coast location pretty close to New York City, which is obviously the biggest city, most important city in the world? Or is it strictly all weapons? And they're deploying it in the area.

So it could be any of these things. And they say it's alien to throw off our adversaries from knowing we have this technology. It's kind of like a psyop off our adversaries from knowing we have this technology it's kind of like a psyop on our adversaries to make sure that like the public thinks it's not human made that's right american technology right yeah i i and i try not to get you know you look at empires in world history right they always end when people are like we're good we got this i know you know what i mean so i never i'm always cautious with that because like there's things where it's like, I'd

like to see America still be great for my grandkids and everything. But I wonder sometimes vis-a-vis weaponry, be it DARPA or whatever, if we are so fucking far ahead in the race that everyone else thinks they're actually winning. I mean, but even still where where did the where did that technology originate from and there's a very good point is it human ingenuity it could be it could it could have been from a certain point but what inspired that yeah like look at for example you mentioned hitler um 1933 i believe it was with that object that crashed with Mussolini. Oh, yeah, in Italy. That's what Grush talked about, right? I mean, what made Hitler so obsessed with UFOs and the occult and all that?

Because he had a very big obsession with UFOs. Yeah, the Nazis and the occult thing. The Vril Society was influencing Hitler in the upper ranks, apparently. Can you explain that? The Thule Society in the real society i think they were like kind of like a group of um occultists like they did things like had mediums that could try and channel communications from a higher power and stuff like that. So they were trying to connect to something that wasn't fully acknowledged by the mainstream. I think Hitler wanted every advantage possible to win the war. So he tapped into occultism to see if they could achieve something that was an upper hand on the allies.

I always wonder what – like obviously he was hellbent on world domination. He was a massive raging narcissist on a lot of drugs. We know all this stuff. But like beyond that because of just how wild he was, right? Like this completely uncontrollable human i always wonder what like if you could have been a fly on the wall inside his head to see what really drove him like was it was it more what we're talking about here like beyond the world itself yeah he wanted to rule the world and have you know know, one Third Reich everywhere.

But that was just one stepping stone to like this universal being that he wanted to be, which is crazy talk. But like, what if that... I mean, you don't... I always, you know, bring up like the fact of him wanting to create a master race of blonde-haired, blue eyed people right where did he

really get that fascination from that you know like and it's interesting because you know of course you could take all this with a grain of salt but there's been supposed races that have been seen they called the nordics that are blonde haired and-eyed. So could that have played a part? I'm a Nordic. Yeah, half Nordic. Nah, I'm too stubby. You're a ginger, bro. No, it's a fair answer. I got a half a soul.

Some of this is like lore, but other is based in some purported historical reporting of how Hitler thought about this stuff. Yeah, if you talk to Rick Doty, he'll just start. That name's familiar. Rick Doty is the guy behind, have you ever heard of Mirage Men, the documentary about Paul Benowitz getting PSYOPed by Office of Special Intelligence? I'm thinking of Rick Dalton.

I'm sorry. No, don't tell me. Rick Dalton. intelligent i'm thinking of rick dalton i'm sorry no no it's all you rick is rick is like rick has been around since the 80s and he worked for the um air force osi okay air force office of special investigations he's basically a men in black a man in black. He looks like it. Looks like a porkier Tommy Lee. He looks harmless, dude. He's got some crazy stories. When you hear him talk, he is a gentle figure. He's a good dude.

He doesn't seem to have nefarious motives or he doesn't want to control the UFO subject like some people that are on the screen there um but you know he's um he's said that like we have knowledge the military the government knows about all of these different alien races that are out there interacting with us um but you have to kind of take it with a grain of salt because rick dodie has a background like if you're going to talk about maybe lou elizondo being counterintelligence yes this guy 100 held that position in the 1980s and he tricked uh this guy paul benowitz into believing that there was a alien um base at dulse new mexico and he also convinced paul that the government had an active communication back and forth with

these aliens and that he was receiving alien communications on his like radio paul benowitz was a successful uh commercial airport owner and operator had millions of dollars in the bank his family was happy then this strange radio communication that he tapped into which possibly was was coming from Kirkland Air Force Base, convinced him that he had intercepted some kind of non-human intelligence radio signals. And next thing you know, he's calling up the Air Force Base and he's saying,

hey, I think I've tapped into something that's anomalous here and I'm seeing UFOs. He was also concurrently seeing UFOs flying around the Kirkland area, supposedly. And who did they send? They sent Air Force Office of Special Investigations agent Rick Doty to his house. And Rick said, tell me what you've experienced. Tell me what you've seen. He got the debrief from Paul Benowitz. And then their relationship started there. Then all of a sudden, Paul Benowitz was being called into the Air Force Base, sitting across from a metal table or something like you would expect in some kind of like interrogation room setting. that outlines the true history of mankind. We are like biologically created by aliens

and all of this like crazy mind-exploding ideas. And Paul Benowitz reads through the file and goes, wow, why are you telling me this? And he's like, because you've already experienced the phenomenon and we want you to we want to work with you and blah blah blah paul benowitz lost his mind after being he went through like let's say the most severe ontological shock one could go through his business shut down it wasn't functioning anymore he was barely functioning functioning. He was having, I guess, a psychotic break. He went to a mental institution and he passed away. He wasn't doing well. So that is kind

of a sad story. And people go, oh, well, Rick Doty, you know, he pushed him over the edge and stuff like that. And Rick will say, if you talk to him now, like I didn't push him over the edge and stuff like that and rick will say if you talk to him now like i didn't push him over the edge and you can talk to his family they even say themselves you were not responsible for that paul you know i guess is responsible for that you know it's it's on him or whatever but then people argue like if this agent didn't go out to him and feed him information and make him kind of go further into this rabbit hole, he wouldn't have had that demise, right? Right. So I don't know how we start. Yeah.

Well, basically we're talking about alien races. This guy talks about Rick Doty. If you just go listen to like jump in a Twitter space that he's in, he's in all the time, all the time. And he's like the Nordics, the grays, there's four types of grays. What is it? The man, the mantids, the mantids, you know, like everything. And he said it to me in person when i interviewed him for a previous

documentary and i'm just like man poor paul benowitz yeah well i mean and that's where things can go so far and you say like oh the guy literally was like counterintelligence or something like that and people are like what the fuck are we doing here he was a you know yeah he was a asset for the air force to i think obscure and confuse the issue and to tell people it was aliens when quite possibly it was our own craft right that they were doing tests with and when he tells them at the end, he goes, look in the light, please. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. I always wonder if that's true. Because you talked about it with the James Cameron movie in 2005.

What was it called again? About the USOs? The Abyss? Or what? No, the James Cameron one. Aliens of the Deep. Aliens of the Deep. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And you were mentioning... Oh, no, I no i gotta turn off my looking at the light here you're gonna kill it you were mentioning how it's like art imitating life or does he have information there and people have talked about this all the time with spielberg you know you look at spielberg's work before et why am i blanking on a kid close encounters of the third kind before that right and he was the one who created this being idea and it's like well what what was he read in on what did he know yeah that's not the only one i'm sure you guys remember flight of the navigator

that actually had quite a few interesting uh scenes in the movie yeah i was from disney okay yeah if you watch that movie sarah jessica park there's a lot of there's a lot of interesting things that now when you look at it you're like all right who where did this guy get this information right sarah's an alien uh no she works she works as a nurse she works at a nurse at a military base and this kid is an experiencer that gets abducted by a ship that is intelligent. Essentially, like the ship itself, the craft, is like an alien. And it takes them to a different time in history. And the military captures the craft with the kid inside of the craft and she's working

at the the military hospital observing him and getting to know him and she eventually breaks him out helps him escape and uh whoa it's a great it's great great movie no it's it's a real good movie you should watch it even now it's an awesome i definitely have not seen that, it's a real good movie. You should watch it. Even now it's an awesome movie. I definitely have not seen that. But it's a decade later than Close Encounters of the Third Kind. And I've actually said this before. I don't know if you know this. This is written about in – there's a guy named Robbie Graham who's no longer with us. Really nice guy.

He wrote a book called Silver Screen Saucers or Silver Screen Saucers, I think it's called. And he investigated the fascination of UFOs in Hollywood and kind of reverse engineered whether this idea of UFOs is born in Hollywood or if it's coming from something else from an observable an observable phenomenon that's being happening right and um he went and spoke to people that worked on Close Encounters of the Third Kind on set and people who worked directly with Spielberg and he found that Steven Spielberg when he was making that film you know this was supposed to be his big masterpiece at the time he had done Jaws that was a big commercial success and he was interested in UFOs and the idea that we're not alone so he invested all this money and time into building his big budget epic on ufos and he reached out as some uh films do to see if he could get assistance from the military to fund or to lend equipment in the shooting of it right

because there was a lot of military involvement in that film in the story that's interesting the military this is in the book silver screen saucers they replied back to him and they said to him we're not going to give you funding we're not going to support this film we've already concluded our theories on ufos and their existence during project blue book that is our final answer on whether this is a real phenomenon you shouldn't make this film so that was the military's answer wait wait we've already concluded yeah and what'd you say after that we've already word that they basically said i'm paraphrasing too but they're basically saying we've already concluded our study on ufos during the plot during project blue book and that you know yeah how do you conclude a

study on ufos that's like saying i can well that was the air force that was the air force right basically going around with jay allen hynek and trying to catch all of the possible credible ufo reports and at the same time they were debunking them. So they were – it was a program where the Air Force was catching all and debunking all, right? Also, sometimes funding and great scientific assets like scientists that could help in, I don't know, some kind of form of the production. NASA wrote a 25-page essay to him imploring him not to make the film. And their number one reason was they did not want UFO reports to go up and be reported to them anymore. So to me, when you look at those two things,

those two actions that speak louder than words, they're basically trying to stifle the public consciousness of this phenomenon. And they're still doing it. NASA did their UAP panel in 2023, and they debunked the go fast UFO, which Tim Galladet saw. Is there evidence of that online of them debunking it?

Yeah. You can pull that out. Yeah. You can pull up the panel. They, they did a scientific analysis. They said that it was actually going um slower than what earlier investigations reported that it was like going maybe 20 miles per hour against the wind and stuff and they were like oh it's only going like 59 miles per hour or something like that right but then again it's like what even goes 59 miles

per hour against the wind in the middle of the ocean yada yada yada right is this it alessi this is their official this looks like news but you can look up um not do nasa you could say you could just put nasa uap panel 2023 and that should probably bring it up uap panel 2023 yeah okay and they have it on their website yeah right here uh it's either i think it's i think it's the the september one probably yeah would have a video probably embedded yeah okay i think unless they just put a big picture of themselves, that's nice. Wait, go up. Go up. Is that it right there?

Yeah, click that. That's the report. Oh, so it's the PDF. Okay. Yeah, that's the report. All right, no worries. Sir Francis Drake's daughter's in there, Nadia. That's interesting. Interesting people that have been, I mean, yeah, Francis Drake is the guy that created the guy that created the Drake equation that said there's got to be non-human intelligence in our galaxy in the millions mathematically, right?

Yeah. But they held this – I actually featured it's like one of the very first clips after the sort of like explanation of transmedium and USO phenomenon or whatever. All right. Let's pull that up. Yeah. You might have to send it again just because after the computer. Oh, because it crashed? Yeah.

Do you think that file crashed it? No. Oh, okay. I don't think that's what did it. Oh, that's it. That's it. He's got it. file crashed it? No. Oh, okay. I don't think that's what did it. Oh, that's it. That's it. He's got it. Yeah.

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Yeah, that was, we talked about that video. Yeah, some of this, when I start looking at that, it's so cool looking too. We have this up on the screen right now for people listening. So we're scrolling through his documentary. It's past this. So is this like where they're sitting down on like a giant long table? Yeah. Talking about it. That's the UAP panel that NASA hosted.

Yeah, not sketchy at all. Okay, here we go. It's awkward. This is it. It's awkward. That's what NASA hosted. Yeah, not sketchy at all. It's awkward. It's awkward. That's what it is. Very awkward. Go ahead. That are available and how we might use them to determine physical constraints on UAP. You know, the UAP reports with the most detailed contextual information are the ones from the Navy aviators with known separation in time.

You can figure out how far it moved. And in this case, this object moved about 390 meters in 22 seconds. And that corresponds to a velocity of just 40 miles per hour. This is a parallax effect case. Thank you. My question is regarding this phenomenon. Yeah, so essentially

they held that panel to debunk. That's basically what they were doing. And the same sort of thing has happened in history already. We had the Condon report during the Project Blue Buck days. Condon was part of the project, the Manhattan Project.

You know, if you watch Oppenheimer, he's the guy that freaks out and like leaves the room in this scene. And Matt Damon's character who plays a general is like, you're gone. He's like, I'm not staying here. Yeah. And then he's like, you know, he's going to talk if you let him go or whatever. And he's like i'm not staying here he's yeah and then he's like uh you know he's gonna talk if you let him go or whatever and he's like we'll kill him and then he's like you can't do that and he's like oh i'm just joking but is he you know what i mean so like that is condon was part of the manhattan project So he was an OG in project management, compartmentalizing science from the public as a military asset that can be used for, you know, the progress for the United

States and not their adversaries. And so Condon was tasked with debunking the UFO phenomenon. So he's tasked with like the task itself is, we want you to prove that this is wrong versus we want you to go evaluate this and tell us if it's true or false. Let's say he was tasked with evaluating it. But you got to look at him as like at the time the NASA because NASA was nothing. Like NASA was only formed in 1958 as NACA. Yeah, they needed Wernher von Braun to come in and do his thing. Yeah, exactly. They needed the Nazis. We need the Nazis to come in.

Yeah. So Condon was an established figure in the scientific community from the Manhattan Project days. And he was brought in to evaluate the UFO phenomenon. And he did his job, in my opinion, of debunking. The Condon Report said, it's all prosaic, nothing to see here, basically, right? And yeah, essentially, that's what NASA is doing now. I thought when Bill Nelson first came forward as the new NASA administrator, he said, I've talked to the pilots. I've seen the UAP videos and there's something here. I would like to investigate this. You've got some good American impersonations for a Canadian.

You know, that's all we do when we're up north. We just basically look down and watch everything that's going on and we're like i remember your kim.com one that was really good oh shoot yeah don't talk about that he's gonna go on i'm going to kill that who is this canadian that is trying to disprove ashton's mh370 theories okay all right stop that's enough anyways so that if you look at how this phenomenon and the history of the topic and and how every time it becomes prevalent and it becomes a new mimetic sensation to society the powers that be bring in a scientific authority to say there's nothing to see here and now it's nasa's turn

because they're a well-established scientific authority which i do believe has been part of the cover-up since day one but there's also now a lot of people like we were mentioning earlier from the science community who are going the opposite way on this and are looking at it which is great like eric Weinstein, yeah. Yeah, and that's one of them. Obviously, Michu is one of them. And like he's – listen, we were talking about it off camera too when he was there. Like that's – it's very legit and he's ambivalent in a way.

He's like, well, we'll figure it out. But it's not like, I don't know if I want to look at this. He's very fascinated by it. But we need more of that. That's what I admire about Michio. He's open to it. Yes. And we were just talking about that on the way here.

One of the issues with science is that a lot of scientists and physicists are not willing to open their minds to possibilities that are outside of what know what what they believe is is uh can exist right understand and if you're going to close yourself off to that then you could only get so far with what you're trying to do or what you're trying to achieve or what you're trying to reach you know what i mean yeah you're limiting yourself from possible uh possibilities that are beyond our understanding or beyond our imagination. You're also highlighting a general epidemic that has infected parts of science, generally speaking now. Forget UFOs and UAPs where we'll say things like, you know, the science has decided.

And that's it. The whole point of science is you're constantly disproving shit to figure out better shit. I mean we're going to live in a day where we can look back and say, wow, that Albert Einstein motherfucker was smart as hell. He was wrong about everything. But he got us on the right path. Yeah. And that's a beautiful thing.

Well, you were talking about – who you were talking to recently. Lawrence Krauss? No, the – Brian Keating? Brian Keating, right? he's saying we can't prove anything with physics as a physicist right and he his job is to actually try and do the experiments yes it's kind of like the applied science route does that make sense yes right and um jesse michaels yes american alchemy he's been doing a really great job on highlighting that maybe there's been a whole subversion of the applied science route that has been happening and being practiced clandestinely behind closed doors in this like old project management, Manhattan project style of.

Yes. Reverse engineering and testing and doing all these things, right, with technologies that are just groundbreaking. But then the mainstream scientific community, which is not applied science, they are theoretical theorists, they're not exposed to that. Therefore, they stay inside of almost an institution that's like a religion where only certain things are accepted and handed down from generation to generation. Right? Yes. And look, in society, I worked other jobs than sales, insurance sales. I ended up working in it when you work in it

you see that everything is going into this agile um work methodology where information is not siloed corporations that are developing applications and doing stuff in tech They want to be able to have one person that works on an Epic to solve a problem technically and build a functionality in an app. They want to have somebody from this department be able to walk over to this other department that's working on something completely different to make that overall app work properly, right? They want to have people walking back and forth

and um the name is escaping me i said agile is one name for this development method but the other one is when the siren goes away um so project management is the old siloed way of compartmentalizing information and keeping that information from leaking out between departments. It's how you can keep something secret and how you can keep the overall epic, the overall objective of the project to be hidden right everybody except for the stakeholders the people at the very top that have been saying to the nerds or the guys that are building make this right it keeps everybody out of the loop of what the overall thing is but in society we don't work like that because we we got to work faster and you know, capitalist competition pushes us to develop quick. And in order to develop quick, you have to have communication. There can't be siloed information. And I think that's one of the things that David Grush is trying to allude to

with these special access programs is that they're unsafe, they're unethical work environments for the people that are exposed to this information, right? So imagine you're working for a third military contractor and your boss approaches you and says, hey, I got a project for you. You want to work on this next epic thing that we're trying to test out or build your brilliant mind, I think you could help. And they go, okay, what is it? And the person says, that's your boss. I can't tell you, you have to sign a non-disclosure agreement first. And you say, okay, what's in the non-disclosure agreement? you could go to jail we could like take away all your money from your bank freeze your accounts the information that's inside of this program is

like above top secret it's super important that this stuff can't be uh discussed outside of your work setting i don't want to sign that. Or some scientists or applied scientists, let's say, engineers or something say, sure, I guess I'll take a chance and I'll sign that agreement. Then they get in the special access program and they feel fear. They feel like they're not achieving anything because they're not used to this work environment where everything is completely locked down, super siloed. That information is not allowed to permeate into other departments that are probably working on other moving parts to understanding this, right? Right. So it becomes a really crappy existence for these

people and i think rush has kind of touched on that if we do get disclosure about some of this stuff that's interacting with our planet and some of the stuff we've been doing with that technology to a certain degree right we don't want to completely declassify everything because again you do have security security implications like you don't want your adversaries to know what you got you're playing a poker game and you don't want them to know that you got four aces right right you want them to think you got like two pairs something right so i think he's touched upon that and i think he empathized with some of these 40 people that he interviewed when he was leading up the uap task force investigation on uaps he realized these people are working in

really messed up situations they're working they're edward condens in the oppenheimer movie that are freaking out and saying i can't deal with this i'm done and they storm out of the room and then you got this military general walking in going well we're gonna have to kill him yeah you know what i mean so i think it's it kind of touches on reality here well you you highlighted earlier and then we got to something else. I didn't want to go back to it then. It was a good time to go back to it. But you highlighted what D'Antonio said, the MUFON guy in the documentary.

That was something that really stood out to me. And there's another one where he was stating the obvious of what we're all thinking out loud. And he's like, you know, you would ask him a question. He goes, well, I can give you that, but I can't go into that. And he's like, look, people get so upset when you say that because it's like, oh, my God, you must be lying about stuff. You're trying to be spooky. But he's like, look, you know, you sign things. You're a part of things.

It can come back on your life. Unfortunately, it's a part of this. This is the highest level type secret shit there is and there's just going to be some stuff where guys like me who had any sort of reading clearance or were involved in situations involving government projects on this are going to have to be like yeah i could talk about this but i can't talk about that and i appreciated someone saying that out loud because even if there are people who use that as an excuse to get their own underhanded objectives across, which there definitely are, there are probably people who are legit just like, yeah, I can't get into that. Like in the Grush testimony when he admitted that that thing was true about people threatening other people or himself but saying I can't go beyond that.

Because if we could talk about that in the skiff or whatever maybe we could do that but you know i i think people we live in a world now where people just give me the information give me all of it we want it right if you can't give it you're full of shit that's right and it's like it's everything or nothing and this is all a society on everything yeah and we have to understand that there – especially with the most complex world-changing potential stuff, there is a nuance there. And I wish more people could be like, OK, we're going to evaluate this information myself and figure out what I think of this, where I stand, come to my own conclusion based on what we're actually able to be given and we're not going to be able to be given everything. But something is better than nothing. Yeah.

No? Yeah. It's just because people are also tired of the lies. Yeah. So there's no trust anymore. You know what I'm saying? And I'm sorry to cut you off. No, no, you're fine, man.

But I was talking to someone about that too because a few people we were speaking with were saying how, you know, their countries don't really talk about the subject and this and that. And that the one from Germany, how he was telling us that he's the only radio station or something like that. Oh, yeah. That speaks on the subject. Daniel Groth. That there's nothing else.

Yeah. Yeah. So the Germans don't like you at peace. They don't like me. They don't like me. I don't know if i did that accent right i definitely did like an italian accent earlier for germans so don't take it personally yeah but why don't they like uaps is it because they have their the nazi pass may come up to the surface i think they're just very yeah maybe they don't maybe they're still i don't

know locked in a cycle punishing themselves but um they're like warner von braun's your guy yeah he wasn't ours yeah i think i think the germans just are their bs detectors go off and they just go oh it's just american like technology you know what i mean? Like obviously they went through a wild 15, 17-year period there that had to be like removed from society. And the way that the ashes of that phoenix supposedly rise out of it is going to look a lot different than it did when it went in. Well, they had a dictator that they believed in and thought was going to rule the planet. That didn't pan out. And they have to remind themselves that there's a lot of people out there that are going to rule the planet that didn't pan out and they have to remind themselves that there's a

lot of people out there that are going to talk some bs and rile up a huge amount of people right that's right and so that they're very like sensitive to bs eventually that they think that you know i mean i interact with both sides of the community in terms of UFOs. I want to talk to people that think that they're aliens. I want to talk to people that think it's just man-made. And your friend Danny Jones has had the alien scientist otherwise known as Jeremy Reese. Jeremy took the whole TR-3B tale pretty seriously. And I did a documentary on the TR-3B.

Can you explain that? So the TR-3B is like a rumored reverse engineered alien reproduction vehicle. It's a big black triangle, a BBT, which, look, are still being seen in our skies and apparently you know at the starting this documentary I discussed that in 2019 there was a report that was circulating the intelligence agencies that included pictures of a big black triangle coming out of the ocean and a f-18 fighter jet was scrambled to intercept it and it took photos and he saw it from the top saw it from you know basically at his eye level and then he saw the

underside of it and there was three triangles the triangle was black had blunted rounded edges and it had three lights in each corner just as we've heard in the past that a TR-3B would have looked like. Right? And Edgar Rothschild Fouché was a military guy that worked apparently at area 51 jeremy reese checked into him uh and apparently you know vetted that he did serve time working at area 51 on special access programs i guess and edgar's claim to fame in the 1980s he was going around to like ufo conferences showing pictures of the TR-3B and saying, these black triangles we're seeing in our sky are man-made, and they are a technology that is reverse-engineered from off-world technology, right? Alien stuff. So if you talk to Jeremy Reese, he brings up some other interesting stuff.

I don't know if he told Danny Jones this, but he told me when I was investigating, you know, why this information might not be popping up in the mainstream scientific community as often, like anti-gravitic research, right? And there's actually some kind of law or some kind of control mechanism that's in place if you look at the national patent office okay so this is where you submit if you're a scientist or uh somebody that's trying to create an invention you can submit a patent to this office that's like a national organization i think it's government run, I think. And they check over your patent to see if this is a novel patent that no one else has already submitted

so that you can own that invention, right? And then they also, I guess, run the... You have to fill out all applications, explain how in the patent submission, you have to fill out all applications explain how in the patent submission you have to explain how it works and scientifically and all this stuff right doesn't mean it does work but it is something that a patent has to go through jeremy told me that there is a mechanism where if a patent is submitted and it's something that could threaten national security, it can actually be caught by the national patent office and it can be filed away, kind of classified, and you're told not to pursue that. I believe that so if you think about it there's more people than just nikola tesla that have been out there in

society in history that have been very intelligent people that probably saw an ability to create a machine that was like what we would explain as free energy in layman's terms or um it had a net effect of producing more energy than what was put into it right so let's say you uh you put like one volt of electricity into it, but you get like 20 volts out, right? And that's better than our current energy paradigm, which is like all fossil fuel based, right? That's where this office can say, sorry, we can't approve your patent and we're not going to let you pursue that either right because it challenges the current power structure and paradigm in our economies right we've got a fossil fuel run economy we're feeling the prices at the pump right now because of the war in the middle east yeah the war in the middle east the war in ukraine the the britains and the

other europeans are feeling the prices of the pump even more than us because they used to get that stuff for cheap from russia right like i think we're at this time in history where disclosure is important because it stops us from collapsing as a society. You think disclosure stops us from collapsing? Yeah, because – So this is similar to James Fox's idea that, oh, this is something we can all get behind. Yeah, because if you think about – like if this technology does not become weaponized, we don't learn how to create an anti-gravitic rock and throw it at our enemy or something. But it's used in a way to power society instead of using fossil fuels and burning stuff.

There's huge implications there that could, like, get us away from destroying the planet with pollution. Like, you had your buddy buddy um paul rosalie on yeah and like he goes down to the amazon rainforest and sees the destruction and he sees um china funding it u.s buying it yeah and human demand eating away at the landscape and destroying this like biological gem right on our planet i i recently had in another guy steve donziger who as far as i know has never told his story on a long-form podcast but lessee can you pull up his wikipedia page real fast i just want to show you the kind of detail on this this guy blows me away. He's a Harvard lawyer who, when he was still in law school in 1993,

took a trip down to Ecuador with like 15 other people, a mix of lawyers, human rights people, etc. If you just scroll down, unless you show them how dense this page is, like essentially it started what is a continuing 31 year war now that actually culminated with him being thrown in prison for a few months and on house arrest for

two years for contempt of court which no one gets thrown in prison for that because essentially on a way lesser scale than you know oh my god do we have alien technology that can propulse us to – that can get us away from fossil fuels or whatever? The fossil fuels companies, in this case Chevron, have so much power not just within media but within the judicial system and the government as well. Lobbyists. They can fuck a guy like this. Of course. as well lobbyists fuck a guy like this of course who uncovered that they were when it was still texaco at the time they basically ravaged ecuador and these into and these indigenous communities with these oil rigs i met a guy from ecuador student they were telling me about this situation

down there where they described it as like one of the worst pollutions in the world not an accident done deliberately by tex, American oil company, in this pristine ecosystem where indigenous peoples had been living for, you know, thousands of years, living off the forest. The upshot is what we saw was really an apocalyptic disaster. It's the only way I can describe it. I mean, I expected to see pollution, but this was so much worse than anything I ever could have imagined and like it had massive effects and he won a 20 billion dollar lawsuit on it they've never seen any of the money yeah it's it's fucking crazy but it goes to show you funny these are the powers i mean look

again i don't like to be the cynical guy but sometimes you have to be the reality guy which involves cynicism money and the people who have their hands on the most of it is what controls how our world goes so that's another thing with this whole phenomenon and talking about it what types of things be it energy technology religion whatever it may be could be with – like think about all the people who are holding onto their pockets right now on this little fucking round rock that we're on where the shit that they can't get buried with is the only thing that runs their life saying, oh my god, we can't have this disclosed because it's going to ruin our business. We're going to lose our entire racket here. Yeah. Well, they're thinking about their kids' inheritance, not everybody else's.

But it's scary to think about how far they're willing to go to keep this secret. Yes. I always use that whole analogy of you trying to get a tiger out of a tall grass field and you burn it and you corner that tiger. That tiger is going to fight for his life to get out of there. You know what I'm saying? And that's kind of like the situation here we're burning the field and we're putting these people in the corner and if they have this technology and it's available to them how far they willing to go that's right to really or before or to keep a hold of it because if you're talking about you know this kind of tech this is really you know, like, it's reality changing technology.

Yes. You understand? Who wants to give that kind of power up? You know, like, who's going to be willing to give that power up? And then also you got to think about who's responsible for wielding that power. You understand? Like, China, Russia, us. Right. Leslielie do we have the clip of bustamante from flagrant oh okay so andy bustamante friend of the show resident spook you will he what i love about

andy is that first of all he'll piss a lot of people off with the things he says he doesn't care at all but he also is going to call it like he sees it and some people can say oh it's all disinformation that's not what i think but you're free to have that opinion he obviously is well known now to have been a co-host on beyond skinwalker ranch on history channel okay and he you know we've discussed that with him privately on a lot of things, but now I can see his opinion formulating a little more on this. This was very recently on here. I haven't talked with him about this yet, but now he is full-blown saying that he does think there are UAPs, but he doesn't think they're aliens. Can you just play this, Alessi, because I want to make sure i get his words on this represented correctly you said after 9-11 all the government agencies share information now

aliens ufos real or not so uh there's a fantastic article that was written i think by the wall street journal um the head of aero which is theD's UFO research wing, was a true scientist and engineer, just came out to basically say there is no truth, no grounds, no nothing that UFOs are real. My stance on this is that UFOs are real, but they're not aliens. 98% of what happens in the sky will be able to rationalize and describe without a problem. The 2% of what happens in the sky that we don't know should scare us a whole hell of a lot more than it does. Because if it's not aliens, it's us. And it's some shit about us that we don't even know. And that's scary. And why is that scary? Because that could be a next fleet of drones developed by the Russians.

That could be a hypersonic cruise missile by China. That could be some weird sort of joint new thing that's being developed by Syria and Iran and North Korea. And like it's being tested over Montana. Like that is some scary shit. When you take aliens out of it, we want to find comfort in aliens because maybe they're here for good reasons.

Once you say it's a fucking bad guy, there's no good reasons for it to be there. You mentioned something with UFOs. That's good. Let's play that again. So, I find that interesting because when we were in Tampa last September,

October, filming with, it was me, Danny, and Bustamante, and then Jim D'Orio, the other spook in the situation here. But we went down there for a weekend. And the day after, the day we filmed, went out to dinner that night, and then we're back at the Airbnb just chilling and talking. And Andy, to me, was actually kind of profoundly affected by what some of the things he had seen filming that show. He said, look, you know, obviously there's been some things in the past on the History Channel where it's like, oh, is this reality TV or whatever? But he's like, look, you know me, like, I don't have time for that bullshit. It's like, it's exactly what you see. The only thing they'll do from a production standpoint is sometimes he said me and the other guy, I think, is it Brandon? I forget his name. But the two of

them will have like some big brain conversation and the guys will be like, okay, can you make that a little simpler? But he's like, other than that, it's exactly as we go. And he said, these tests that we would run at these various mysterious places where things happen he's like a lot of the places there was legitimate activity and again you see his stance is morphed towards i don't think this is aliens which take that as disinfo or his actual opinion that's up to you but he's like there's shit going on there and we have to wonder like what is that? Is that ours? Is that somebody else's?

How does that affect us? So it is a question even from a national security standpoint. Obviously, aliens are a national security issue. But like forget aliens for a second. It's another question on like an advanced weaponry national security situation as well. Yeah, so I think it's his opinion for sure i don't think he's fully read into the history of this subject like obviously this goes way back um throughout the decades all kinds of mass witness sightings you've got uh west 66, which we brought up earlier today, 200 people, broad daylight sighting, teachers, students, adults, children, C1, possibly 2 craft, flying over a yard, like a recess yard, midday um while a high school population and a elementary school population are looking up

and one of the craft lands and a few students actually walk like run right up to it and supposedly um a girl touched the craft fainted and she was never seen again she was like actually taken to another city in australia after that event her family moved but a lot of those witnesses that saw it with their own eyes that were kids then have been interviewed over and over again up until today these are credible witnesses they saw something that was anomalous. Was that ours? I don't know. But I know that there's other cases, right? Like, you've got the Phoenix Lights. This is a craft that was like a football field size that went over the state of Nevada and Arizona in the 90s, and was filmed by multiple perspectives. We only have really the one famous video that's

been published online but i've heard that there's multiple perspectives of that that uh been kind of swept under the rug and thousands of people had seen that craft and were like, it was completely dead silent. It hovered over our houses as it passed on its way to Phoenix. Very low. Like, I mean, low, low. Like above the light poles low. That's how low it flew over some of these homes. Where do you keep that craft is that football sized craft being kept football field being kept in

a underground facility that's opening up in the middle of the desert and it's coming out like i don't know it's pretty maybe not it's pretty hard to like you know or was that a non-human encounter that's another mass witness sighting right that happened in history then you've got all these pilots that are saying that they've been scrambled to go after um craft in in iran in 1976 the whole city of tehran at night saw two ufos there was a blackout. The power was shut down in the city. They scrambled their fighter jets to intercept this thing. They lost all their power to their jet, like all their radar communications. And they were getting all kinds of anomalies when they would get within range of this UFO, this bigger UFO. One of the UFOos that emitted from the bigger one landed on like a mountain

near the city this freaked the iranians out big time this is them into a revolution maybe maybe it could have been it hey maybe and that's what's about to happen here i don't know but uh you've got all these mass witness sightings. You've got the Ariel School. Yes, Zimbabwe. Randall Nicholson. That's wild. Broad daylight.

Multiple students. People that that has haunted them the rest of their lives. And that's a great documentary, Ariel. It's like amazing. Yeah. yeah that that the footage of those interviews that john i guess dr john mack did them you know also killed in a yeah he got hit by a car yeah he got hit by a car yeah just saying his family came out and said that he wasn't whacked you know but it's just was there a gun behind the camera when they were who knows who knows yeah, I did question it too.

I'm like, why did we lose one of our most prominent minds in this UFO community that was interviewing experiencers? People that weren't from the Navy, weren't from the Air Force, that had credible sightings and actually sometimes had interactions with these non-human intelligence. And these kids, when you listen to their testimony, they saw something that was non-human. I agree. Right? I mean, they definitely saw along the lines. Obviously, you don't get every single detail right with eyewitness. But like when you look at all the different, you know, five, six, seven, eight-year year old children who were interviewed with this they

definitely experienced something that day now if you want to say oh some government science okay maybe but they saw something always comes back it always does come back to that like i have to at least throw it out there as a possibility yeah but like i thought the same thing with the moment of contact because you look at all the the one in virginia brazil which james reported on you look at all the angles to that and like when we talk with him alessi here also was down there making the documentary with him by the way i think james had mentioned yeah this guy was like i'm going and he showed up so that's you hey that's awesome he's like and i thought i'm never gonna see this kid again and then he showed up

he's like oh here you go we got a room for. He's like clearing out a hotel room. That's cool, dude. But yeah, so he was down there making it. And the reason James, you know, he looked at that case for 12 years in the first two. He was like, yeah, okay. But he kept coming back to it because there were 10 different angles to it. Yeah. And he's like, look, I don't know if all this is true, but something happened there. And these people, you you know they saw something that went on and i have the same feeling when i look at the at the ariel tapes yeah and so it all

it it points to when you hear about those two mass witness sightings it points to a non-human intelligence right because these beings these entities did not resemble human beings, you know, crashing their experimental tech. These were things that we've never seen before that have big, you know, oblong heads, almond-shaped eyes. In Virginia, they had red eyes, which is really weird.

It's not something commonly reported in ufology. In Ariel's school, they had large black almond-shaped eyes, which is this sort of gray thing that we've heard about from many different experiencers, abductees, people that have just seen them in their experience around a house or something like i believe something and that's one of the things about andy that i find really interesting is like i didn't know about his ufo experience that he had off the like right off the jump i just wanted to know about the uap videos that he was leaked by this dhs agent right that's fascinating to me because it's like, oh, we have more stuff like a Tic Tac or whatever, right? That's from an official government source that has to do with our security in some way, right? Your security. And this guy then tells me later on, I saw a UFO and that's why I've been in this community and I created my platform was because I knew from my own eyewitness account that this stuff exists.

And I wanted to make a community where people could talk about it on my Instagram and we could discuss UFO videos and all kinds of stuff. And that's how the DHS agent reached out to him. So full circle, he goes from being a first-person UFO experiencer to getting leaks from security intelligence-like people that are leaking that to the public because they've seen UFOs, you know, with their state-of-the-art FLIR tech. So there's got to be something that's non-human about this phenomenon, in my opinion. When I hear your friend here speak, I think he's not fully read into it. He's probably a post-2017 guy.

What do you mean post-2017? Like, you know, the Tic Tac and all that stuff leaked and the New York Times, Leslie Keenan. Meaning he only has looked at it since then? Yes. Got it. Yeah. So he only, it really, only really entered his mind recently. He does think aliens exist, by the way. He's on the record about that.

Okay. He said he thinks statistically it's like borderline impossible well but statistically is different than what we're talking right yeah you know but he's not like saying no it's not no no no I get yeah he's saying it's not a cover-up of their existence it's a cover-up of our text that's right knowledge II somewhere on the findings yes right and I think that is maybe he's not he's not fully aware of the full history of the phenomenon. And also Kirkpatrick. Yeah.

Come on. Yeah, that guy's kind of – The all-domain resolution group, like their frigging report was a joke. Yeah. He seems disinterested how could you take that seriously and then be like well you heard him explain it and like then nasa's you know the scientific organ like he even brings up the go fast ufo yeah um when he's talked about the uap sightings that were leaked he goes uh not, not enough information about

the Tic Tac. GoFast was debunked by NASA. Check. And the third one, the gimbal, he says, is like a reading error or like... Oh, yeah, yeah. With the equipment. With the

equipment, which is a McWest line. Typical McWest line typical right and if you look at mcwest's recent um debate he had on his own channel which i think is pretty brave and pretty cool um he had this guy uh that goes by merrick vr on twitter who's like a you know air force guy and then he had a fleer specialist a guy that works on FLIR systems, like I think repairs them and stuff for these type of craft, that he knows what caught the gimbal UFO.

Like he knows that technology. And Mick West's explanation is that there had to be four different uh failures of the technology in order for explaining the anomaly that's present in the video instead of it actually was scrambled to record something that was anomalous in the air which the pilot saw which was reported with radar data apparently and was recorded with these cameras right so you're discounting all these other angles and you're trying to also argue oakum's razor which is don't don't multiply unnecessary entities to explain this theory but he's created on four yeah unnecessary

entities so he's not even following his own uh logic of argument right i haven't seen this argument it sounds like this is not one he he posed well and this is definitely an unpopular opinion i'm going to give but obviously a guy like like Mick is the extreme on the other end, right? Yeah. I think, unfortunately, guys like him, it's very necessary that they exist though, because you need, you need, you need off balancing. You kind of know what he's going to say and it's on people to then see the evidence that he compiles and the evidence that's compiled on the other side and figure out which way

it leans. I've seen some where he points out things where I'm like, yeah, no, that the evidence that's compiled on the other side and figure out which way it leans i've seen some where he points out things where i'm like yeah no that's that's right i've seen others where i'm like well i feel like similar to what you just said right there i feel like he's actually making the same mistakes he blames other people for from his direction yeah but i do think he is incredibly important to debunking because you do need um people that are out there to challenge the woo and to challenge like any of these really unproven theories right so yes we need people out there to try and like force the information to the the best information to the. And I think when he had that debate with those two guys, one guy is the FLIR tech and the other guys, like, I guess, really well researched in

the event and understands from like a military and eyewitness perspective and all of the data that was recorded surrounding that event, that it couldn't have been explained away as prosaic. That is important because he had on his own platform a debate where he kind of, in my opinion, he lost. I'm sure there's some diehard Mick fans that are going to watch this and be like, that Dorsen guy doesn't know what the fuck. He's a psyop. He's a psyop.

Hey, we got to like hit him up in Twitter. We got to cancel this guy. Cancel him now. Make some Reddit posts right now. Oh my gosh. Hit up, go to his IMDB, put some more one stars. We already destroyed his IMDB pages. Let's do it worse.

But anyways. This is why we can't have nice things. Yeah. So you can't have, you can't't sometimes you can't have this kind of conversation but i think mick west and other people like him are important like jeremy reese is important you know because he's kind of saying can't all be aliens guys there's there's got to be a history of our own ingenuity and what do you think these scientists were tasked with after building a bomb right they want to put these minds to some incredible incredible new feats in science they don't want to just like not use them the other problem here though is the is the medium with which these arguments are being put out. They're usually put out behind a keyboard.

At best, they're put out behind the spaces, right? And it's just so unnatural. I mean, this has been, this point has been beat on over and over again on different podcasts. But, you know, when you're talking about answering or trying to answer very hard questions, and especially ones where teams form on the ends of the spectrum when you put them into keyboard algorithms and where they're free to attack each other from the

comfort of their own home it makes things explode more and they're an anon yeah yeah like i go by darcy weir on social media right that. That's a big dumb, dumb move. I mean, I agree with you. That's the reason why I always say that as much as I believe, there's other people that don't. And that's cool. But if you're going to be a debunker, then understand how to do it properly where you don't stoke the fires of bullshit. Sure. Because you know how it is.

I mean, do you know how UFO Twitter is or individuals on social media, period? I learned. Yeah, exactly. So did I. But if you do it in a way that's going to create that mess, this is what happens. You know what I'm saying? So this has to be some kind of… It's a perfect segue for his UAP videos if you want to play those.

Yeah, yeah. Actually, let's pull that up real quick, and then I want to get to what Richard Dolan was talking about with the motion of the USOs. Okay. But I gave you that YouTube video, right, Alessi? It's NY...

UAP Discussion. Discussion. And it should be... So... There he is. Go to videos. Yeah, so there's the... Tell us which one you want. The Rubber Duck 2 is good.

I think you could even start with the A-10 Warthog, the bottom left-hand corner. That one's a good one. Because Mick said that this was just a balloon or he said it was a bird. Which it does, at the very starting, it kind of looks like there's wings fluttering but later on once the fleer tech locks in on just that and follows it

it's a sphere what are we looking at here like where is this purported to be all these videos actually happened relative same location by the border okay yeah so so they were originally looking at the a10 that's when the object came in and kind of followed it oh we're looking at the dot object okay yeah yeah right right because the other one's a plane yeah okay yeah i was going to say that looks like a plane you can can just play it. Interesting. Okay. And then what's the, can we play the balloon one if you go out of here? First cycle, let's see. The one.

Rubber duck. I don't want to say. That one right there, I think. Yeah. This is part two. Sorry, part one? Yeah, do part one. Well, part one doesn't have it for about like 20 minutes. So part two, you're going to be right into it.

That's it. Okay. So this was the one that's trippy looking it's like a yeah it looks like a rubber duck yeah it looks like what's the south park game chase the magic dragon oh my god so we're looking this is actually over mexico right this is technically over mexico territory yes and this is an identified object floating at a very high rate of speed you'll move closer to the mic bro you might be oh um yeah no this is the one that i sent to the scu when i first got it i didn't release this until i got the okay from them after their whole analysis

the scu are they are they associated with the government? I believe they were working with them at one point. I think they had a route to send cases to the government or something like that. But they are technically just a group of scientists that want to do right by the subject and properly represent credible UAP videos. Okay. Right? Yeah. And what was this purported to be filmed from? A satellite?

No, this is from a recon plane that they were using. A recon plane was flying this. So at the beginning, actually, you see they're just overlooking the landscape when it actually comes into view. Yes. It just shoots right in, and then they just filmed it for a good 40 minutes. The only reason why they didn't continue is because um their time using the planes because they kind of like rent them out from cia i believe okay and um they uh they couldn't stay up there anymore and decided

to leave but and you got a lot of blowback when this came out you kidding me hell yeah right now obviously mcwest was debunking it no one was par for the course. Every, name it, everybody was trying to debunk it. Who else? Greenwald. Greenwald. UAPX. What was Greenwald saying it was? He was just calling me out that I was a grifter trying to make money and then, you know.

But your videos weren't monetized, right? None of this was. Right. So that's why it didn't make any sense. But it was more like they got, to me, the feeling I got was that they got upset that it didn't make any sense but it's it was more like they got to me the the the feeling i got was that they got upset that they didn't get it or they didn't have it because if this video landed on their lap would have been all over the place right you know what i'm saying so the funny thing is if you look at the history of it right that video la bruja and um the a10 warthog video they eventually were confirmed by cbp and dhs as

authentic uaps in august of last year so you can actually look at what's the website it would be um i'm i don't i know it's cbp but i'm not an exact we could just put like CBP UAP documents 2023 yeah I might come up like that yeah and then a separate word yeah the funny thing is is that they released it somewhat redacted yeah records pertaining to see that pdf yeah so like this that's the pentagon's uap task force in june 2020 the senate select committee on intelligence unveiled the unidentified aerial phenomenon task force uaptf at the office of naval intelligence a successor to the advanced aerospace threat identification program which is AATIP.

This paper dives down the rabbit hole with Defense Department insiders, scientists, and declassified material to find answers to a host of questions. Are mystery craft near-peer adversary platforms or exotic U.S. platforms? What is the technology behind them? What kind of threat do they pose? What are the geostrategic implications? And what are we not being told? Interesting. Okay.

So this is like a long paper. Yeah. It's kind of like an introduction to what, you know, the history of this subject is. Yeah. It's a lot. But they released like images. There's a link with the actual videos. It exists. Okay.

Yeah. Um, so it got confirmed by CBP DHS themselves that we don't know what these were because they're used to chasing narcos craft, right? Um, illegal immigrants that are doing stuff across the border, trying to get people in and stuff right so they're used to seeing certain things and those three videos were anomalous to them they're like what the heck is this yeah that one with the dot following the plane is pretty wild you can watch that a bit more there's more of it where they're just tracking the dot later on and it just looks like a big sphere so which is kind of like muscle orb yeah so people what people

don't understand too with fleers you you get very very good detail when you capture objects that you're looking at through the through the you know through the camera through the lens and a bird would have been absolutely identifiable you would see every detail of the bird the wings the tail, all that. So the fact that none of that is visible and as well, why would, you know, Border Patrol agents be fascinated by a bird? Right. You know what I'm saying? It wouldn't take interest in the first place, right?

And this thing was flying in an area where American assets are flying. It's like area there shouldn't be anything like that right so it's anomalous for sure I think you know the blowback that he received is just the way that our community is people want to debunk and attack the person most of the time john green greenwald actually released uh earlier was it earlier this year or late last year he basically said oh yeah they are anomalous and i got those videos from a different source didn't credit him like and i kind of i mentioned that to him i messaged him and said hey dude well i actually did a post on twitter and then all of his trolls started attacking me and i like blocked them one by one see ya see ya see ya but like it's kind of like a honeypot you should try it sometime um

but uh yeah like you know it's just too bad that he didn't represent, like, he initially was very against those videos, debunking, attacking him and the videos, and then they get confirmed, and he changes his tune completely and is like, oh, yeah, these are anomalous. And the person who originally released them was like Dr. Disclosure or something like that. And it's like, dude, why are you misrepresenting the story interesting yeah i missed all this ufo stay out of it man i i will continue to be switzerland yeah but all right richard dolan in the documentary because there was a lot of him in there yeah and you were telling me about the audio before and all the editing you had to do there. You did a pretty good job. A con Dolan is he's like auto tuned. Oh, I'm like a con obviously more flow rider. I don't know. Mark Gagnon actually did a podcast with him that was really good on camp

Gagnon. That was, I was in later 2023 I think, but in later 2023, I think. But in your doc, one of the cases he outlined was this 1954 case. You know what I'm talking about? Yeah, like a ship that was swarmed by spheres. Yes. What happened there, allegedly? Like, did it emanate from the ocean, they were saying? Apparently, they just kind of showed up all around the ship. And this came from a source that basically followed Dolan's exploits and disclosure efforts from his own website, which I think is like richarddolan.com or something like that. And his members can talk about stuff in their internal message boards and stuff.

And this guy reached out and explained his story. He had to be an anonymous source because of he doesn't want the threat against his family and against his livelihood. Maybe he still gets some kind of income from a navy source or something like that but um he went over this account where he was on this ship and these objects show up and everybody's like battle station ready you know they don't know what to do to deal with this phenomenon and um i don't know if it was this case because there were quite a few cases we covered in the doc but um what often is reported is that communications and

weaponry can be shut down that happens to our fighter jets and that's happened to our navy vessels the fighter jets thing is what really got my attention they couldn't even scramble the jets it's spooky yeah that was it they couldn't scramble the jets to mess with these things and you know you you look at um the 2019 video release that jeremy corbell uh put out there of those like flying triangles that are oh yeah right being observed by somebody first person on the deck of a navy ship i think that was off the california coast catalina catalina i think it was yeah which is also an anomalous catalina wine mixer baby i was just thinking the same shit i can't take those alien cases seriously because I just see Will Ferrell singing Andrea Bacall.

God damn it. Imagine that if a UFO came up behind him while they're filming. Like, my voice brought it. Yeah, summoned. But anyway, you're saying the videos Corbella had were allegedly from there. Yeah, and he says that they were even trying to deploy anti-drone technology at these things from the ship. They couldn't do it. So, you know, this is what he got from his source. it seems to coincide with something that's been reported by other anonymous sources that have had

these encounters in the navy i guess i'll say that got it now he talked about i think it was him was talking about the way the motion was described i i want to say he said something like it's as if they can create micro black black holes that escape to a fourth dimension. You're talking about Mark D'Antonio. Oh, he said that. Yeah. So Mark D'Antonio, when I met him, he was presenting at a conference that I was not supposed to record at, but I'm a rebel. Goddamn Canadian.

Yeah. They tried to fucking anyways uh so he and i snuck away to this room and i was like all right let's record this he's like well you know don't don't tell anybody that uh you know we recorded this because people have been saying don't record with darcy or whatever and i'm like fucking assholes so we recorded this interview and he talked about the USO encounter the fast mover thing and then he talked about what he was actually presenting on at the conference

he is looking into the Kaluza Klein particle which I think he can bring up pretty easy and how we're starting to in our theoretical and you could say like particle instead of UFO maybe

theory yeah there you go let's read this off in physics kalooza klein theory is a classical unified field theory of gravitation and electromagnetism built around the idea of a fifth dimension beyond the common 4d of space and time and considered an important precursor to string theory in their setup the vacuum has the usual three dimensions of space and one dimension of time but with another microscopic extra spatial dimension in the shape of a tiny circle gunner nordstrom had an earlier similar idea but in that case a fifth component was added to the electromagnetic vector potential

representing the newtonian gravitational potential and writing the maxwell kate equations in five dimensions i comprehended all of that i got it all yeah i'm with you dude let's go build one yeah um yeah so essentially they are doing um tests right now in uh with these particle what do you call them colliders colliders large hydron collider well i think they have the one. Actually, you should talk to your boy that's like directing the one down in Chile. What's his name? You just had him on.

Keating? Oh, Brian Keating. Yeah, he was talking about it. Was he? Yeah, I think he said he was heading up a project of $200 million worth of research in Chile. Oh, that's what this was. That's one of the things they're doing. They're trying to find gravitons, which is like a – it's a – I think it's like when you're searching for Kaluza Klein particle theory, you're basically getting – you're trying to find gravitons right and gravitons could explain

for micro black hole sort of activity and um what mark d antonio is trying to say in his presentation recently and what he's trying to prove is like we're at a time in history scientifically where we're trying to look for ways to open black holes that are controllable does that make sense put it in english like what if you created a vessel that could open a black hole temporarily you could go through that and then you could appear somewhere else in space and time because you've created this reaction you've created this like particle accelerator like technology that can punch a little hole in space and time you can go through it and then it'll go to the place that you want to go and so what he's trying to argue

is like when you look at the nimitz encounter like kevin day his instrumentation is recording this object going from like 80 000 feet down to 20 000 feet in like split seconds or something like that what if it's not flying what if what we're observing is this kaluza klein graviton like propulsion method where you're literally taking your vessel and you're punching a little hole or successive holes that makes it look like you're traveling in a hot, a line, but really you're just going like, and then stopping. Right. That's what he's saying. We're kind of at the fringe of experimenting with now we're we're and you should talk to jesse michaels about this maybe he knows more maybe he can better articulate it than ufo boy here but um

that's basically what he was trying to say and he was saying that um you know it's kind of like that event horizon type technology where you create this fold in space and time. You go from one place and you end up on the other side just by punching a hole through space and time or something like that. So that might be what we're observing with some of these UFOs. And that would also make me think that it's not our tech. Because we're just, why would we be using this particle collider in Chile

and this particle collider in the border of France and Switzerland and stuff, the Large Hadron Collider, to try and test out these particle theories if we already didn't have them you know what i mean like it doesn't really well it doesn't add up when you get into the dimensionality part of it too the buzzword that answers the lexicon is a multiverse scenario too and this is what i'm with with brian i gotta re-put together some of the

language there on what he was doing in chile to make sure that was lined up you might be right though i think but before that the project that was like his calling card that ended up unfortunately being a failure that he's written about in his books and talked about a bunch involved him in the arctic trying to measure i'm going to explain this in very layman's terms, they were essentially trying to measure different sources of light in a way that appear into the atmosphere to prove that the universe was inflationary. And now I'm going to take the leap that he could explain better, but essentially what this would have meant if you proved that the universe was inflationary, forget what that actually means for a second.

But that means to the end would be that it would be almost impossible for there not to be a multiverse that exists, which now gets into rivers of time and different scenarios that occur. Meaning like right now we're sitting in this room, but in another, you know, slightly differently tuned radio dimension, there's dinosaurs floating around right here, you know, dino beavers, right? Dino beavers. It gets weird, right? Yeah. Right.

And it gets infinite. And we haven't really talked about that today with UFOs and UAPs and stuff, but I do wonder about that as well. And people talk about like the future humans scenario master michael p masters right and david grush talks about the uh multi-dimensional uh aspect to the phenomenon because when people i think like luna or whoever is like questioning in we're uh questions oh she's she's good she's good at asking questions. But I'd like Congress if they all look like her. Right?

I'd be really interested in all that. Yeah. Just fire all of Congress and only hire like hot lunas. But when you've got Grush's testimony, I think it was actually in front of Ross Coulthart, right? Which is an Australian journalist that's working for news nation stuff now um he's really covering the ufo beat in a big way and when he talked to grush the first time they said like what all these things might like are they aliens or what what is this non-human intelligence i can't i deal with this every time i talk to him it's not quite it's not quite in the same octave as uh ross but um you know grush is like well uh there seems to be an existence of a plurality of intelligence so there could be a dimensional aspect to this intelligence

there could be an extraterrestrial and there could be something else that we don't quite understand you know like um how put off he wrote a paper about ultra terrestrials in the past couple years yeah you can look it up ultra terrestrials uh paper how put off if you want to put that a lessee basically um his theory is that what if what we're experiencing here is um not necessarily extraterrestrial but it's a non-human intelligence that has existed on the planet for longer than us right or possibly the same amount of time that is just superior like technologically what have you and those are the things that are currently it comes back to like that chains in the sea analogy. There's multiple domains to the planet.

There's the sky. There's the land. There's the oceans. And maybe there's inhabitants in different layers of the planet. You know, these different domains. That's why even Arrow is the all domain right they're trying to catch all of that debunk all of that the guy that that galadette talked about victor viscobo is that it yeah so he was another retired navy dude but he's like an expert in

submersibles and he's like he he's like, um, James Cameron, like he's been to the bottom of a trench. What does he have to say about all this? I think he's interested based on what Tim's saying. Um, you know, he's open to the idea that there's something going on in our oceans that can't be accounted for by prosaic explanations and um victor if you're watching i am not a wealthy man i really need some investment for my next documentaries i'd love to get in a submersible with you and go to the bottom of a trench i hope it's not like the titanic one tin can no his is good all right we can get in this thing we can go down look for aliens together, bud.

But I don't think he's going to answer that call. I feel like if you found him, you wouldn't come back. Wow, maybe. Maybe. Who knows? If you can see him. Actually, in that report that Tim Galladet just released, that paper that's 29 pages. It's on the Sol Foundation website.

He says that there's been at least that he knows of one hostile submarine encounter. Did he expand upon that? He didn't. Got to get him in here yeah you gotta get get him in here for sure gotta put him under the light yeah yeah yeah you do usually i mean from what i've heard any encounter that was hostile always involved us uh taking a hostile action prov Provoking? Yeah. It's not like it was something that came after us just for the hell of it.

Yeah. It's like the Russians trying to capture those aliens. Exactly. What are you talking about? Lake Baikal, the Lake Baikal swimmers. What happened there? They tried, a bunch of divers went down beneath the ice in Lake Baikal and came across.

Where is that, Lake Baikal? Russia, is it right? Yeah, look it up, Alessi. Okay. Sorry. B-I-C-A-L, is that it? B-I... B-A-I-K-A-L, I believe.

Oh, I forgot. Lake Baikal. Okay, yeah, Lake Baikal. There you go. All right, let's look at maps. Oh, it's a beautiful looking lake. Yeah. All right, now scroll out. Let's see where this is. It's look at maps. It's a beautiful looking lake. Yeah. Alright, I'll scroll out.

Let's see where this is. It's near Mongolia. Oh, yeah. It's down there. But still in Russia. It's still in Russia, but it's down there near Mongolia. Yeah. So the Russians tried to capture beings inside of the lake, and it did not work too well.

What do you mean they tried to capture beings the tale is that uh there's been stuff coming in and out of the the lake see you've got one from 2012 where russian ufo hunters are reporting stuff still happening there and lake bakal happened this incident happened long before 2012 what is the do we know how deep that lake is pretty deep yeah yeah it's apparently very deep and uh isn't it one of the deepest lakes if i'm not mistaken in the world like three thousand four thousand feet wow something like that okay that's pretty deep you explain what happened well long story short they went i mean from it's supposedly the story goes that there was something that was seen

or you know through radar whatever that they use and that they were um investigating and when they sent the divers down there they encountered these humanoid beings that had a weight yeah like um I don't think they went into detail as illustrations that if you look up Lake Bacow just look at late Lake Bacow swimmers that's the this isn't gonna be like the leprechaun report not bad if I'm if I'm not mistaken I believe there's an actual document. Of the incident? Yeah, of the incident. Yeah.

All right. Lake Baikal. No, put Lake Baikal swimmers. Lake Baikal. Swimmers. Swimmers. Swimmers? Yeah, swimmers. You know what I mean?

This will pop up. Well, right there. Yeah, there you go. The fourth one. Lake Baikal swimmers. Yeah, yeah. That's supposedly what they described them looking as. And those little...

Can we load that up? Those little... Yeah, there's Nick Pope. There's our boy. Nick Pope. Well, I think they did discover them. Yeah, he was on the History Channel like, Well, there's something happening in Lake Baikal.

All right, so they're wearing like umbrellas it was like a like a almost like a jellyfish type thing they described them wearing and they weren't technically they described them not swimming they said the movements were like if they were like like moving around really gliding yeah like gliding so wait how far below the surface are we talking just below the ice because it was like there's a apparently you know it freezes over oh no actually when they found them was low enough because apparently when one of them attempted to grab it uh one of the beings that what they were trying to grab emitted an energy burst that sent all of the divers right back to the surface and i didn't kill them i believe the bends no no i think um i think two

i think three of them died you ever seen that video of the russian lady jumping in the ice for that thing and then she's lost no yeah she died pull this up oh i know what you're talking about type in go to youtube that's tragic go to youtube type in well like went into one of those ice yeah like you know like where they do the blessing i don't know what some russian orthodox shit they do every year oh they like jump they do like a polar plunge or something short russian lady jumps in ice and dies that's like darwin awards worthy yeah no it's it's actually so sad yeah yeah yeah pull this up because her fat her kids are right there but like yeah so she jumps in and then never to be seen maybe the aliens got her probably immediate uh hypothermic shock and just sunk and was gone

well i think they were trying to say the the tide took her the currents is but it doesn't look like water's like the river oh it's a river Oof, that was not well planned out. Yeah, that was not smart. Oh, he's going in. Yeah, he couldn't get her. Oh, my goodness. Yeah, very sad, but – Jeez.

Weird shit going on. Shoot, man. Well, anyways, there are stories that come out of Russia about ocean and water-based phenomenon um and actually dolan covers one of these cases vladimir azaza who is a high-ranking uh there he is yeah yeah he's ufologist and former soviet naval officer declassified secret files released by the russian government indicate that the 1982 seven military divers were training in the depths of the Baikal and they spied bizarrely shaped underwater vehicles that moved Far faster than any technology the Soviet Navy was in possession of at the time good I might I didn't even say the Vladimir's also up there

Good for you. Yeah, so he's he's one of these guys that came from former Soviet Union and if you think about UAP phenomenon and this possible non-human intelligence phenomenon interacting with our planet, you have to keep in mind that other superpowers are interested in this, right? Russia would definitely be trying to capture crashed UFO ufos and apparently there was a program paul stonehill who's a former uh russian escaped when things freed up in the 1990s when the berlin

wall came down he's uh now living in um the la area i've spoken to him a bit via email. I need to meet up with him because he's, he's like a fountain of knowledge of UAP and NHI Russian cases. He's kind of like the Vladimir Zaza, but still alive and, you know, kick in today, but got a lot of those files and that information out when the iron curtain came down and um like in richard dolan's book uh the national security state and ufos i can't remember

what the exact title is he goes over an encounter that the russian space agency had with a UAP in orbit around earth. And it's completely bizarre. I was thinking of putting it into like one of my secret space UFOs docs, but it would require a ton of animation. Essentially what this, uh, it was probably Vladimir Zaza or another Russian general disclosed that the cosmonauts saw this object somewhere near their ship, near their craft in space. And it was kind of phasing in and out, like it was seen and then unseen,

and it came pretty close to their craft. When it came close enough to their craft, and they're looking through like telescopes and observation windows that are on the, say, let's say it's the Soyuz craft. I think that's what it would have been at this time. They observed essentially these beings that were brown skinned in color that did not don space flight suits, left the craft and moved around it and came up to the Soyuz and looked at the them up close and personal and then flew back into the craft and were also using lights to communicate with them or something like that.

And what the hell was that? If it's true, you know? If it's true. Like brown-skinned alien humanoids that moved robotically and didn't need to use spaces like spacesuits to fly in the the vacuum of space yeah and i wonder like you've heard probably annie jacobson report some of her stuff on roswell she gets a lot of shit for that from like the ufo community yeah i really like

annie jacobs i think like what she did voice she's got a great voice yeah sweet um i'll have to listen to that one that you did but i i really did that one oh danny did okay i really liked her coverage of like project alos which was prior to project paperclip we actually sent american soldiers over behind enemy lines to infiltrate the facilities that they were building v2 rockets and all of these you know super classified german technologies right right before we captured that stuff and brought it back to the u.s so project alos was the precursor to project paperclip and she documents that pretty well that's really cool stuff i don't agree with her um interpretation of roswell right that they were modified russian human bodies yeah that

you know it's it's again it's like um oakum's razor sort of thing Like you are literally multiplying unnecessary entities. I hope she's, I guess, I hope she's wrong. But her source, she has one source for that story. That's not Billy Wall, is it?

That's got to be someone different. She has one source for that story, right? And when you look at the roswell incident there are hundreds of people that give testimony you know the sheriff the air force personnel that were on the base the nurse that saw the bodies and she wasn't saying these are like modified russians that she was like they had big almond shaped black eyes oblong heads no genitalia you know that type of thing which is like that sort of story of a gray right yeah that could be a modified uh artificial intelligent entity i don't know it be, but it's not human. And I don't think it came from Russia. Yeah. I don't know. I need to, I want to review what

you actually wrote up on that. I don't know. I've read that, but you did the title of your doc involved the word fast movers. Yeah. And there is a program that you spoke about in the documentary called the fast mover program i think galadette highlighted it and maybe some other people did as well what what is that so essentially mark d antonio mentions it too and he had his uso experience um when he was on board that unnamed submarine exercise right with the government yeah yeah and when he got to go speak with this uh second in command for the navy we're talking like second from the very top. He was in this gentleman's home. They were having dinner and they were having a candid conversation. And Mark just blurts out, sir, what can you tell me about the fast mover program? And instead of this second in command

from the Navy saying, there is no program or who told you about that that don't say that and you know whatever thing that you would expect that could be a difficult situation he kind of laughed and he said mark i can't tell you about that program so pretty much confirming not denying and mark didn't pry he didn't pry. He didn't push any further. But prior to asking that question, he had done his own investigation after his own experience by speaking to other Navy submariners that the the submarine and and uh it's picked up by the sonar operator and they say fast mover fast mover or like you know now galadette laid out that there's two types of sonar i forget what the hell they're called passive passive and active oh well that was easy yeah okay and what how does that work one of them like actually is like a radar but the other one just picks up sounds? So you're pinging. With active, you're actually putting out a pulse.

And scientifically, you're looking for a change in photon energy, but in the water. The water molecules are looking for a disturbance there, right? So when you're pinging the active one you're sending out a signal and then when that signal hits an object the um the energy gets returned to your your sonar detector and it then reads how far that object is from your vessel at that time passive you're not pinging You're usually like dragging some cables or just built into the hull are detectors where emanations that are coming from sources in the water are actually signaling to the technology, to the circuitry and all and the computer that something is out there at these locations and it could be maybe this size it could be this or that okay yeah he was like i said he was a fascinating fascinating part of that documentary what do you like after having

done this and and how long by the way did you spend making this doc started shooting it uh february of last year okay so you spent roughly a year on it yeah okay do you think that ufos emanate from both space and sea? Yeah. And how much, as far as the sea goes, what would be your best take on what that is? Something from another planet versus something that, in your opinion, versus something that has been here like us like you were laying out earlier andy like a more advanced civilization i don't know i mean it could be anything in between we just don't know um tim brings up the catalina island structure in the end of the documentary

right which is kind of like an anomalous structure on google maps and i sent you those three links actually uh they're twitter links i i for they're in that email thread okay but um it's interesting because he brought that up in the doc that got like mainstream news some like i don't know channel seven los angeles like review or something and i put that in the doc and um it just so happens in the past week that object that structure got removed from google maps that's why i sent them to you man interesting yeah i'm looking i don't think i have that. I downloaded everything you sent me. Oh, in the email thread? Okay.

Just check the second email I sent before you're like, yeah, I got it. Which Twitter link? All three are related to the same object. So if you go through the first one. Oh, shit. Okay. I see what you're talking about. I'm going to send this to you, Leslie, so you can put it up on the screen.

Yeah, I think the last one is a video but um it's like tim tim actually posted about it on his twitter saying so in the documentary he said that he submitted to noah to scientists that he knows at noah um information about that location and the anomalous object that's what it looks like as of seven days ago they successfully wiped it from google maps that's what it originally looked like whoa and if you look at it from the side there seems to be like pillars underneath it if you keep going alessi there see like there seems to be like pillars underneath it. If you keep going to Leslie there. See? Like there seems to be some kind of structuring to it. Yeah.

And there's a video. I think there's a video version of this structure in one of the other links. Is there a natural? There you go. Is there a natural progression explanation to that though so that's the thing he submitted the information to some noah scientists and the noah guys said that does not look like a natural formation and that got removed from google maps in the past week that's caused a whole furor he posted if you go to the other link alessi that's not this he posted that the usgs still has that data and it points to something being there like that's not natural

um stuff even though it's been removed from google maps right there he says indeed ross colhart and quite an amateur job at what when the authoritative source usgs still has the original data as I depict here, why would Google Earth filter out good data? It's not like they haven't done it before. Yeah. So it's like, what kind of information control is happening right before our eyes? Yeah, there's definitely an extent of it at all well look at the original google earth when you could first spot i mean the most smallest detail in antarctica now you go over there and everything is blurred blurred out i almost wonder if that's someone in the back office of google just fucking with people like oh let's blur this maybe they'll

fucking go nuts dude have you looked at um Google's AI renditions of Vikings recently? Oh, my God. Google? You haven't seen it? Like the founders of – Oh, is this like where the Vikings are black or something? Yeah, yeah. They don't have – they're black people with red dudes.

Asian Indians. Yeah. They're trying to – because there was like an issue when they were building ai ai was only recognizing like white people so now they're over there probably like oh wait we gotta balance this shit out man no it wasn't that's unbalanced it wasn't that due to that woman talking about the whole uh uh racial thing and that that was literally done purposely or something like that they did an interview with joy balwani is that i'm not sure she wrote a book on it yeah i haven't read the book but she wrote a book on

on some of the issues there yeah ai being racist or i mean if it takes data from the public yeah if it comes by it takes data it tends to it it tends to like recognize white people. Yeah. Anyways, I think we're going to be gone in a few decades. That's just my – well, not a few – You think we're going to be gone? Well, I mean like – That got morbid quick. Maybe 100 years from now or I don't know, maybe 500 years from now,

there won't be all whiteness unless – unless i don't know maybe i'm wrong but uh be a lot easier if we all look the same man my god yeah there'd be less racism that's for sure it'd be none it'd be great yeah but um but yeah that's i mean that's just like it's a weird thing google you know they control the maps of the planet but they also control what a viking apparently looks like you know well listen man you made an amazing documentary thank you really appreciate both you coming thanks for coming out andy no problem thank you and just great stuff so i will put the link to amazon prime as is it on apple too and just apple tv all right i'll put those two links in the description everyone

go check it out i really really liked it i got it and all right what's the next thing you're working on a couple different projects but puerto rico is like that's right is the sort of next hot spot i want to investigate and i think we have some pretty groundbreaking kind of stuff that sort of, sort of same situation with like landing Tim Gallaudet. I landed somebody in Puerto Rico that's behind some leak stuff. So very cool. Yeah. Pretty lucky. We're pretty lucky. I walked away for that one. Very lucky. But thank you guys so much for coming. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you for having us, man. Of course. For sure. Everybody else, you know what it is. Give it a thought. Get back to me. Peace. at Julian D. Dory. Both links are in the description below. Finally, if you'd like to catch up on our latest episodes,

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