Julian Dorey Podcast - 🤣 [VIDEO] - Drunk Conspiracies w/ The Ambulance Chaser | Mike Spear • #128

Episode Date: December 3, 2022

(***TIMESTAMPS in description below) ~ Mike Spear is a trial attorney and conservative commentator. Currently, he is an active member of the Ancient Order of Hibernians and a strong supporter of the Fraternal Order of Police. Previously, he played Division-1 College Football. ***TIMESTAMPS*** 0:00 - Fetterman vs Oz review; Dark Money funding division 10:13 - The Alex Jones Trial 28:11 - Is Alex Jones an intelligence asset 31:30 - The people behind the curtain 39:04 - The M@xwell trial; Ep’s Case 44:59 - The mysterious Adnan Khashoggi; Steve Bannon’s deep ties to Ep 59:38 - The fellas arrive 1:01:34 - Finishing up the J.Ep Convo 1:03:55 - Ukraine War; Spear’s Russian lawyer 1:09:35 - Is Putin dying?; Romney’s Russia take 1:14:27 - The Client State 1:19:36 - China & Taiwan; Leverage on Presidents 1:32:35 - The Progressive House Caucus Ukraine letter 1:37:09 - The Darrell Brooks Case 1:45:20 - The Nikolas Cruz Case 1:49:35 - Spear’s theory on Public Defenders 1:53:04 - Spear just argued a trial in front of Meek Mill’s judge; The Meek Mill Case 2:03:47 - The greatest google review in the history of history 2:08:51 - Republicans looking at Trump vs DeSantis 2:13:32 - A Memorable NYC Weekend Intro Credits: “The Newsroom” (HBO) “War Dogs” (2016) Fox News CNBC CNN Julian Dorey’s Snapchat ~ Get $150 Off The Eight Sleep Pod Pro Mattress / Mattress Cover (USING CODE: “TRENDIFIER”): https://eight-sleep.ioym.net/trendifier Julian's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/julianddorey ~ Music via Artlist.io Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

My one buddy, I won't say his name, but he's on a new show. His initials are TC, very popular. You know, he started talking about how much money we've been sent. Tucker Carlson, fuck it. So he's talking about how much money. And this is, these are, these are, these are not, these are, we have Republicans voting for this stuff. It's not like this is a, you know, strong-armed Democratic bill

that gets passed by Uncle Joe. This is, this is a bipartisan effort to fund Ukraine. Michael Spear. My man. Welcome back. Thank you. It's been too long. We do this like, what, once a year or something like that?

Yeah, I think it was maybe a year off. Maybe? Yeah, something like that. It wasn't too long. The OG fans know exactly who you are. You're a very famous guest of the show at this point. I love it being on here. It's fun. For people who don't know who you are, can you tell them what you do and what kind of ambulances you chase?

Yeah. I haven't chased an ambulance, but personal injury lawyer. Borrowed in New Jersey, Pennsylvania. Trial attorney. Casual drinker. Hey, not the casual bad man. Speaking of which. So, my my friend have you

been honking your horn for biden that's why i need to know no i i i kind of took a break you took a break politics watching politics um the pa elections killed me i just how specifically well i mean you had you had kind of two shitty candidates in Oz and Fetterman. And then one, it became clear that, you know, character aside, he was like physically incapable of actually performing the job duty. I think, I don't know who said it. One of the older head actors chimed in. He was like, well, you know, if Fetterman was your pilot, are you getting on that plane? You know what I mean? And I thought that was

kind of funny, obviously, but also a legitimate point. I don't know that he's going to be able to get the job done. And then you have Oz, who's, if you're a PA, fence voter, and you're looking at this guy, is he really going to go to

D.C. and have PA's interest? I don't know. I get it. It was a bad election, but I fucking walked down to the American Museum of the Revolution in Philly and cast my ballot with all the 85-year-old women.

It didn't get me anywhere. It didn't get you anywhere. Did you vote for Mastriana? No. Maybe you vote for Mastriana? No. All right. Good to admit. I know. It's hard to say.

Maybe your fans are going to clap to that. But I know there are people in my circle who are really pissed off. And it's not because... It's because that one ad where I was telling Chris where they have Mastriana getting this sort of excalibur from you know q anon or whatever it was that was like i was i was that was where i said now let's let's just let shapir get around with this yeah not that the guy hadn't lost me already but uh i think when he said like you have to have your rape baby that was uh that was pretty historic for me as far as not the guy but it just seems to me like the whole and cheers by the way oh good

if i could see you yep good to see you man it does seem to me like the whole election cycle this year when you look at oh yeah let's get this around we got multiple people in there the whole election cycle we just had was the weakest slew of candidates from both parties that and i trust me you know me like i always think they're weak as fuck but like this was the weakest slew i've ever seen like some of the some of the almost 40 and slip there some of the races actually seem like a joke like when i'm sitting there watching fucking dr oz on stage talk to a guy who total all due respect had a stroke six months ago and still can't talk and you know they're analyzing this debate like it's real

i mean that's an insult to my intelligence and then when you look out in like arizona you had one woman in the basement and another woman screaming every conspiracy known to man and it's like this is where we're at now i mean i know we're divided but fuck you got to do better than this yeah i think they're they're testing or checking the pulse of, you know, Americans to see how radical we're willing to accept. So when you have, you know, both sides of the poll, I think they're seeing, you know, what works, what resonates. And I guess it may have been a win kind of for moderates, I think, at the end of the day.

Because I think Republicans, they clear the House, and I think it was expected, the results. It wasn't a red wave, but it was, I think, maybe a vote for the moderate voice. I don't really know, but you're right. It was dog shit across the board. But, you know, Herschel Walker know let's see what happens here we got the runoff did you see the video last night of him um i don't know it was this week or something it was earlier the one the one on fox news when he's sitting with uh fucking ted cruz and lindsey graham um no you didn't see this no i to pull this up real fast. I was fucking crying. I mean, it's just like, who picked him?

Was that Trump's guy? I don't know. But you know what you can say? All three of those men have never had protected sex. So that's the common ground. Oh, my God. I think Cruz has had sex at least a couple times. No, I don't know.

I don't know who picked Herschel, how that came to be. Well, first of all, this election is more than Herschel Walker. This election is about the people. After Biden and Fetterman, this is what we pull up. Hopefully we have some more videos. We'll pull those up, don't worry. Fetterman couldn't put a sentence together. It was bad.

Yeah. It was real bad. Yeah. Like, it's just like, and did they let him, it was like they, I think at the last minute or something, they said, you're not allowed at the debate to like read the computer prompter that he was using, like in the interviews. I didn't see that. I don't, they may have, I don't know.

But it didn't look like he had a computer in front of him but i mean he definitely could have had a teleprompter i don't know well it didn't help if he did no i don't know i didn't watch that debate i was never going to watch that debate i will never i didn't want to watch the the the highlights if you can call them that i think they had you had fetetterman just completely doing a 180 with the fracking. That was kind of embarrassing. And then you had Oz. If you're not going to support abortion, just say it.

Don't say you're going to leave it to your local leaders or your local... I don't know who he's talking about. Is he talking about pastors? Or is he talking about the people that run these elections locally? I don't know who he's talking about but either way he should just stuck to his guns both of them i mean fuck it let's get a let's get a feel for what people want you know um but uh but yeah i didn't watch i think that

the abortion issue is the prime example of the money in politics being on the same side like i always tell people i'm like one of the coke brothers just died but the other one who's still alive like him and george soros they're buddies like they enjoy this shit they go at it with each other because they they're there's something in it for them i don't know what it is like i'm obviously i have no idea but there's some sort of like power in it for them where they get off on having people divided so when you look at that that issue in particularly which is a highly charged emotional one i don't know what the percentage is but most people in america think that like a reasonable ability for a woman to have a choice is perfectly fine and then you have the fringes who believe

100 pro-life or like abortion all the way up to when they're born and so when you watch some of these candidates answer this question most of these guys like take for example 100 senators in in senate and it's i think it's like 51 49 but just call it 50 50 for a minute all right 50 republicans 50 democrats i'm convinced that if you put each of them in a room and gave them truth serum off camera just one-on-one minus like the 10 bible thumpers like hardcore bible thumpers on the republican side 40 of them are going to be like listen like i think reasonable choice is fine on the democrat side i'll bet none of those people are into having eight month abortion or anything like that

now go watch when they have to answer this question though a guy like dr oz who has to run with the republicans is clearly pro-choice he's a smooth talker because he's a tv like salesman or whatever and so he gets caught on this one where he has to make something up to deflect so he's like i think that's a decision should be between your your doctor you and your local representative like oh shit that's not going to go bad and then when you look at any of the democratic candidates when they've had to answer the question where they go are you okay with you know eight month abortion or something they deflect by saying i think that uh the entire abortion issue is is something that should it's a choice that should be made between a doctor and a

woman and they just won't answer it because the minute that they say something that does not perfectly match the extreme of what they're being paid to say by all this fucking dark money they're out i mean look at that girl even in the media side look at that girl tommy lauren the the the blonde chick it was like blowing up a few years ago she's still begging around but i believe if i remember this correctly she got fired from some right-wing publication because she said she was pro-choice uh she would have been with she was she was wasn't she? Was she really? I think she was.

I think she was with Infowars. But listen, like I said, at the end of the day, I know what I would want in my house. And, you know, it's kind of a weird topic for me. And I have a penis, so maybe not the best person to give you you know my my emotional take on this but um but you're right but uh but yeah no she tommy lauren yeah she was definitely with uh our buddy who uh holy shit was at a shit show that fucking trial oh let's talk about that i haven't talked about that on the podcast how much did you watch? So before I even talk about that, TikTok is a crazy platform to watch these trials. You were watching the Alex Jones trial on TikTok?

I watched the Alex Jones trial on TikTok. I watched the – I shit a lot. No, but I watched – what's his name? The Christmas parade murder. The guy that ran his truck through that parade in Wisconsin, I think it was. I could be wrong. And it was like, it was insane. How do you watch a trial on TikTok?

Well, I mean, I guess you, I don't know that it's all live. I know they have that option. I'm probably calling it something that it's not. But, you know, you can watch these TikTokers live. You can watch, you know, obviously videos like i watch with you that pop up on my feed but um this was one where i followed both just through you know part ones part twos part threes and and and there was literally accounts that would be set up just to just to do part one through ten of of uh uh you know of the alex jones trial but no alex jones he was uh his it was like i would have

found against alex jones hey guys i want to warn you about something in this episode real quickly just so that you have a heads up but we ended up having about six people in total in this studio eventually within this podcast that was the most we've ever had in here i was doing my best to make sure the noise was down we were obviously having a good time But there's about three or four times where there's a lot of studio noise going on for maybe 30 seconds or so I did my best to cut the cameras back and forth so that you could see what's happening when that's starting to happen So maybe you can skip that part a little bit, but even when we were making drinks I was moving the mic out of the way and I thought we were good, but there were all kinds of drinks going around, all kinds of ice.

And so it was pretty loud. So just want to give you guys a heads up there. Again, pay attention to the cameras. If you're watching, you'll be able to see it if you're on YouTube or Spotify and maybe skip that part. But before I get out of here and make sure you use that link down in my description, along with the code trendifier at checkout to get your own eight sleep pod pro cover today for $150

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like he did he didn't even have the the decision in his mind to make a conscious choice to either all right i'm going to be sympathetic or i'm going to i'm going to be alex jones he can't have that he do he is something is in his head that he is incapable of seeing the point of view of these people uh these families and that he he was you know, he's never paying that. It was a crazy... It's globalist media. Yeah, it was... They're coming after me.

No, but they hit him for like, I don't even know what it was. It was a crazy amount of money. It was billions. It was billions. They were asking for like one trillion or something. Yeah, right. Like, what's the law there? Because isn't there per state, there's a maximum you're actually allowed to pay?

Yeah. So it's just symbolism? i'm not no well i'm not really sure what uh well they can't award keep that mic they can't really award you um you know jury can put a number on it fine but it will be molded down to what that specific jurisdiction is going to permit so like if you look at like septa in pennsylvania there's a jurisdictional limit to how much you can sue them in a claim of negligence and be awarded money. Same thing with the Commonwealth. Most governmental agencies in Pennsylvania have it. So I don't know the libel laws, and I don't even know where that was venue, honestly. I guess I wasn't watching that closely, but I don't know if there's there's a cap so to speak i don't know that there is so i mean that that judgment may sit he's i mean he'll work out a payment plan he'll

probably be paying these people off for the rest of his life yeah it's i mean it's brutal but i mean he said what he said and and when you have you know like i saw people arguing about this on on twitter and particularly going back and forth about this is the slippery slope of free speech and i'm like all right i am a free speech absolutist myself. You know, I'll defend the people. People's right to say shit that I fucking hate because I understand the alternative. But when you in in in a similar way to me. When you do something like what Steve Bannon did that got him banned. Like that's not – that was not free speech.

He openly called in a visual on a public show for – I'm not going to say what he did, but he called for certain people to go away and how to do it and where to do it. Because that's literally inciting violence like by the book. So when people say – they're like, okay, that gets banned. I get that because that's not free speech. But when you're talking about like what Alex said, I do also think it has to be over the line because he was – he incited all of his followers, not all of them, but a subset of them to torture these parents across them in public. These people were – their five- and six-year-olds were slaughtered. You know, you can think whatever, you want to go have your gun debate and everything, that's a separate issue. That's not what this is about. That's what happened.

Someone, some maniac got in there and did this, and you make them have to relive that over and over again. So for the people that were like, well, you know, once they do this, they can sue you for anything. I'm like, yeah, but where is the line? There is such thing as causing, inflicting actual hurt upon people who clearly don't deserve it, right? Yeah. Do you have your punch card, by the way? My punch card? You made me talk about abortion, and you get one per podcast.

So don't fucking talk about guns. No, I'm just kidding. No, you have the Obama counter. Every time you mention Obama, we're going to play like a hope and change or something. You're going to have a compilation of moments where I said, I guess Obama wasn't that bad. Right. And for those out there listening, Mike Spear is the biggest fan of Barack Obama of anyone I've ever met. It's really incredible.

The guy was his number one supporter during the initial campaign in 08. Campaign courageously for him. yeah no i was i was uh i think i was the man that backed him stronger than anyone with the exception of michelle but um anyway the uh you know the free speech thing it's like with jones it was it was a platform. He made it his platform. He made millions of dollars off of this. And then, yeah, it had the intended consequence of having people actually harass these families. So it was a fucked up situation, but not nearly as riveting as the other trial, which I'm telling you. You haven't watched this trial with the guy that killed the people in Wisconsin? I haven't, but can we get there

i want to stay with this alex jones thing though because i watched probably i'm gonna guess in total i probably watched about an hour worth of stuff over about a two-week period when i guess when i was at its height because they had that what's it law and crime tv or whatever on youtube has all those clips so i was watching like the cross-examination by the way when when his attorneys accidentally gave oh it was great bro did you see the fucking face on his attorney sitting there like well my life is over yeah like how does that even happen uh it's again i don't know who's worse that i looked the attorney up um i did too he does he does have a pretty solid reputation but as you well i don't know

if you know this or not every attorney you google has the best reputation you've ever met so it's like i don't know um but the guy had experience so i don't know if it was an issue with the client because i have the i have the uh the pressure of, not pleasure, of dealing with sometimes difficult clients. And I know that it's not always easy to get the evidence you need to prove your case. Sometimes you're given stuff piecemeal. Sometimes you're given dumps of shit. And obviously you've got to be diligent. You want to represent your clients zealously but also be diligent in what you're doing i don't know if it was a last minute you know push to comply with some kind of request for information from the

from the uh um you know the plaintiff's attorney or if this attorney was just inept and he just fucked up but huge fuck up i mean that's like 101 you don't disclose client attorney communications i mean is that ethic that's that was my question though is that ethical if if it was not agreed upon that he was going to give that information up and it clearly was an accident that he gave it up yeah is that ethical of the other attorney to present that as evidence when it was not it was not supposed to be legally relevant or agreed upon i mean i have no idea. I'm just asking. Yeah, no, and honestly, again, it's in the world of, like, ethics,

it seems like Attorney Ethic 101, you do not disclose attorney-client communications. I mean, this guy did it, you know, obviously negligently. You know, this is professional negligence definition. Alex, let me know if you need help. But, you know, don't know we're a self-governing body we are ethics um committee it's a bunch of attorneys you know so it's like what type of ethic violation yeah i mean i think you know if it's black and white then yeah violated, you know, again, that duty not to disclose the attorney-client communications. But I don't, you know, he obviously didn't do it intentionally, or at least I don't think he did.

And, you know, it was just a big boo-boo by that guy. And I'm not aware of any, like, pending ethics. Well, there's definitely ethics complaints about him. I'm sure every, you know, people in the families, they probably filed a bunch of shit because he had to take on the Alex Jones persona, I think, to portray what his client wanted to portray to these jurors and shit. Sometimes that's tough for an attorney to buy in. I don't do it. I tell you right now, I get asked to act a certain way talk a certain way and i stick to you know um you know my personality um but it looked like that attorney

may have adopted the alex jones mentality and and he may get burned for it i don't know yeah i want to play this video and put it in the corner of the screen for people who don't know what we're talking about but this was we already laid out this involved him going at the sandy hook families about he said alex jones claimed back after it happened that they were like paid actors and stuff which was crazy obviously so this was at the trial when he's getting cross-examined by the other attorney and the guy reveals that alex's attorney accidentally gave him all kinds of old cell phone records that have god knows what in them mr Mr. Jones, you know how an iPhone works, right? You've had an iPhone text messaging for several years now. Yeah.

What does it mean if the messages are in blue? Whose messages are those? Whose phone is this taking from? I don't know whose phone it's taking from. I mean, I just, I turned the the phone over and said take the stuff off. Can I have you look in the very bottom, below the very bottom left corner? Is that your phone number? Yes. So you did get my text messages.

And it said you did a nice trick. Yes, Mr. Jones. Indeed. You didn't give this text message to me you don't you don't know where this came from do you know where I got this no mr. Jones did you know that 12 days ago 12 days ago your attorneys messed up and sitting an entire digital copy of your entire cell phone with every text message you've sent for the past two years and when informed did not take any time to identify it as privileged or protected in any way and as of two days ago it fell free and clear into my possession and that is how i know you lied to me when you said you didn't have a text message

about saying you did you know that i see i told you said you didn't have a text message about Sandy Hook. Did you know that? See, I told you the truth. This is your Perry Mason moment. I gave him my phone. Mr. Jones, you need to answer the question. Did you know this happened? No, I didn't know this happened. But, I mean, I told you I gave him the phone.

And you said in your deposition you searched your phone. You said you pulled down the text, did the search function for Sandy Hook. That's what you said, Mr. Jones, correct? And I had several different phones with this number, but I did, yeah. Of course, I mean, that's why you got it. Of course. I don't know. I was looking at this the whole time, and something about, like, the judge, no matter,

I mean, she's sitting next to Alex Jones. No matter what would happen, she was just stone-faced like that the entire time, almost like a Larry David character, like, I can't fucking believe I'm here doing this. Like, this felt more like a sitcom to me. I don't know. Like, I got that vibe from even the camera work, like in the trial, where they're, like, flipping back and forth. I like it didn't it it felt it felt fake almost but he like a lot of people could say like oh well the the shit stacked against them because a lot of people

hate him or whatever and that's probably fair but like i couldn't even believe how bad he was like there was no as you said there there was no element of like real remorse or like trying to backtrack on a couple things to like i don't know fucking cover your tracks here at least and get yourself in somewhat good graces like he just went gung-ho in this and then when he lost he's on fucking info wars while the trial while the verdict's getting read going you gotta donate i'm losing everything they're trying to take away all our information and then it's it's like it's like you know what i mean like it's like fake almost yeah i don't i don't um well first of all i think he probably because he obviously has or had or i'm sure he still has

it but he's got a lot of money he He probably had a really legitimate lawyer look at the complaint, the pleadings, and ultimately probably tell Alex, listen, man, you're going to get hit. How much you're going to get hit, I don't know. I'm not getting involved. I mean, there are lawyers that are successful enough where they probably are like, dude, I'm not going to get you. You could name your price. It doesn't matter.

So I think he knew that the train was going to hit him head on, and he just kind of just showed up, wasn't really prepared. And obviously the plaintiff's attorney, this is their, as he said, the Perry Mason moment, and they were ready to fucking roll. And they did a good job. The attorney did a nice job. I don't know his name um but uh i'm hiring yeah man i i don't know we'll have to see like if it's even depending on how much financial burden gets put on him if he's like off air or something sometime soon that's going to be really interesting to see yeah um i don't know the sponsors i don't even know oh that's interesting because i really interesting to see yeah um i don't know the sponsors i don't even know oh that's interesting because i'm thinking to myself well maybe the sponsors

will back out but if they haven't backed out at this point i don't think they're fucking backing out i think they're with them yeah so the guys i mean listen the guy's going to be paid to be on tv or on excuse me on a radio podcast whatever um i don't know is he still going i i don't watch i haven't seen him on anything in a while. I mean, maybe he has been, but I haven't seen him on anything. I've never really watched InfoWars at all. No. I see clips on Twitter.

Yeah, same thing. Like I said, I know a good friend of mine, I won't name him, but he always said to me, you know, he's conservative like I am. He always said, listen, he's got your back. Don't forget at the end of the day he has your back. I don't know if that's true or not. I mean, I know Jones has called some shots pretty, you know, close to the pin, but this was one that I never really, it never had traction in my mind.

I never thought it had traction at large in the public. I know at first there was shit. I remember back, because we were in high school, I think, when this happened. We were in college, Sandy Hook. We were in high school. We were in high school. So I remember my girlfriend at the time,

also won't name her, she called me and said... Is this... We're not. Okay. So we're... I can bleep it out. Yeah. Is this Three Doors Down, Ocean City?

Yes. So she called me. She's genuinely upset. Wasn't involved in politics, but genuinely upset as fuck about this theory that was already going around. This is before Alex Jones, or I think it was before Alex Jones really had the presence he had, because the father of one of the victims was caught laughing with somebody before we started filming. And we now know when we take a sober look at it, there's a million reasons why you'd be laughing. The guy was clearly delirious. I think it was a day and a half later or something.

Well, whatever. I mean, listen, I know we've all had loss, and we've all went to the funerals, and we've laughed at funerals. And sometimes it happens. But she was so fucking freaked out about it, thinking this was a conspiracy. And again, someone that didn't have an agenda, wasn't biased, didn't have any political motivation, just was like, this is what she heard, and she rolled with it. And even then, I was like, no, this is what she heard she rolled with and even then i was like no like this is not that so i never really understood what what the uh the point of this was uh but jones i guess learned the hard way do you think he's an intelligence asset alex jones yes and that

does not i do not mean the cia by that no i could but i think i know what you mean i think he's probably has some really valuable sources that he would never reveal um maybe at times he gets information that again these sources would never come out uh and actually uh disclose you know what they have but i i don't know if i'd call him a valuable intelligence asset but you'd have to if you could point to something i don't know if I'd call him a valuable intelligence asset, but you'd have to – if you could point to something, I don't know. Look, I obviously don't know. I'm asking because I like to hear people's opinions on that. But the thing about Alex Jones is like when you watch him on a podcast or something, the guy obviously is a very entertaining human. I mean he has charisma like I've never seen in my life.

I'm a man exactly and it's like he's also there you know there's more than two or three brain cells upstairs there like the guy the guy absolutely has some ability but always look at him as a huge waste of talent because yeah i mean i could say this about any like hack, but in general with him, it's like when he's right, he's right. But no one cares because when he's wrong, which is all the fucking time, it's not like, oh, sorry, I said 75%. It's really 35%. It's like, oh, sorry, it turns out the Obamas don't abduct children, fuck them in their basement and kill them. My bad, right?

Like there's no middle ground with him so it's sad to me because then you see him call something like epstein i mean that fucking guy was pounding the table in like what oh one oh six and shit yeah taking all these kids rape island fucking them and like everyone's like yeah okay pal and then he's a hundred percent right about it and so to me it's almost like that's why i asked the intelligence question, because it's like, could there be some sort of like viral disinformation campaign on behalf of a specifically like maybe foreign intelligence service to sow discord with a guy where you confuse people with charisma and being right about a thing here and there while then throwing in all this other shit that like then people are trained to like mainstream is trained to say completely wrong and a lot of times they're right that it is completely yeah i mean it's it's more it's it's a more thoughtful theory than what i always thought about this guy again i thought that he created a

platform to run with the conspiracy theories that maybe had traction on a smaller scale. I don't know if he follows Reddit or where he gets some of his information, but I know that these weren't theories that he devoted hours and hours and hours to boots-on-the-ground research from start to finish. I think that he picked up the ball at times and ran with it. And, you know, I don't know. To answer your question, I don't know. But I think a lot of him, I don't want to give him too much credit because I think he does have a tendency of picking the ball up with theories that already have some traction but not on a national level.

And he runs with it and does his research and turns it into a really interesting podcast. Yeah, yeah, he's definitely, he gets people's entertainment juices going, like we said. But, I mean, speaking of that, though, you and I, every time you come in here, we talk a little Epstein, so why not? Let's fucking go there. Like, you were here right before her trial last time,

or, like, right when it was beginning. I think we were talking about it. But then that thing got done and pushed to the curb finish adjudicated like two days before the new year very nice timing right there sewn up nice nice and tidy but you know gillane is as far as we can tell in major public cases the only person who as they joke even if this isn't entirely accurate of a statement it kind of is she's the only person ever found guilty of sex trafficking to fucking nobody right yeah i don't the time is curious i mean you know i don't know if it's if it's how intelligent the powers that be, you know, whatever you want to call them, the man behind the curtain, however you want to describe the people we're talking about that do exist. You know, they – I don't know what's more of a catalyst for having that, you know, kind of swept under the rug feeling? Is it the fact that we are so predictable as not only Americans but as a human race

where we can kind of figure out trends, when topics are going to be more controversial, more talked about? Are they doing things close to a new year where we want to start fresh, forget about the past? I don't know. So I don't know if they're that ingenious and they're that much of puppet masters, or is it the fact that they know how to read us as a herd mentality, as a group that they can kind of drop bombs at a certain time and drop certain types of bombs?

Because it's not always about timing. I mean, you look, again, I don't want to go into it, but I was watching it and I still can't get over it. It was this South Park episode last night, and it was about school shootings. And it was funny because the whole episode... New episode? I think it was maybe like 18 or 19 season.

They're fucking geniuses. So there's multiple school shootings going on, even at South Park Elementary. And it's Randy, who's my favorite character, and Sharon. So Sharon's losing her shit because no one seems to care. park elementary and it's randy who's my favorite character you know and and sharon so sharon's like losing her shit because like no one seems to care and and uh and he's literally like in the background at one of the meetings like they're having a she she holds a pta meeting and uh he's at they're all at the house and she's like freaking out about school shootings why doesn't anyone care

they start talking about oh that rusty slide she's like the rusty slides because you have people shooting people up at school and he's behind her waving a red handkerchief down by his crotch saying, because he thought she was just on her period. But the whole point of it is that it's like you have certain – I'm sorry. You picked an interesting one. But the point of it is I don't know if it's that these people are so fucking smart that they're sweeping this under the rug just from their own willpower. Or is it they know what makes us tick, they know when we tick, and they drop it when they think it's most opportune.

I mean, look, man, I do think it comes back to that. I don't remember what I said it about but when i was pointing out like you know you look at the dark money that's not so dark we see it you know we see who these these people are it's like you see right you see left it's all the same team to me like they are i was talking about it with the abortion thing as the example but that's what they are incentivized to do they're incentivized to divide people so that there's such massive disagreement that they can sow discord in society and distract from the things that are wrong i mean you know we're living in a country and this is beating a dead horse here but we're living in

a country where when you go look at congress and senate you have people that have been there for fucking 40 50 years you know they're making careers out of this you have people who go in there with no money you know have a hundred million dollars now now if you're a president and you leave office and then you're paid crazy sums to speak that makes sense i guess but anyone else it's like what do you mean you know we joke about the insider trading and all that like it's almost like they do all this stuff straight in your face and then go ha ha ha and then by the way look fire yeah and then everyone looks at the fire goes oh wow you know what i mean and then we just continue to go like this and social media obviously this era has made it a hundred times worse yeah well it's um i forget who mentioned it someone said recently and it made a lot of

sense they're like fear um fear equals money you know and it's like you know the more you can get people riled up the more money you're going to make whether it's something as as as innocent as as a really big snowstorm that you're worried you're not gonna be able to get out the next day you're worried you won't be able to get the fucking milks in the egg and the milk and eggs. You know, it doesn't – bread and eggs, whatever it is. But, you know, yeah, I think a lot of it's fear. But, again, like you said, oh, here's the other fire.

I'm telling you, it's – they're not – you know, we bought into this system that we have now with – you know, it's such a deep conversation that I can't even point to one thing but we're they're playing off us man it's not like we're not you know an innocent party in the sense that you know they are just so manipulative or manipulative that they're going to uh you know uh twice i know i did it the other day with um um i do it all what was the word? Fuck. It was... I can't remember now.

Anyway. You're doing better than Humpty Dumpty. Yeah. Wait. Never mind. I'll talk about that later. Oh, yeah. Which way?

Left or right? Because I went in both directions. Oh, man. I definitely pissed in his general direction. I think I talked about it on the podcast once. We did. That was the opening. Yeah, I bleeped out your name when we said that.

I feel like it's okay now. And wherever I was, I don't know where I was, or the persons who was hosting me, they did not know I was doing it. I was pissing in their direction. No one ever knows you're pissing. I've seen you piss on a video poker machine in the middle of a pool table bar in New York City at like 9 o'clock.

Yeah, you sent me another compilation. I was talking about compilations. He has a lot. And one is all of the different places where I was caught. It's all different places, but anyway. That's got copyrighted music on it, so I can't play it, but it's still on my TikTok. No, I don't want you listen i'll walk out that door and you you'll see me again but never on here so okay yeah all right um but uh you were talking about manipulative yeah so i you know

i don't i don't think that uh you know the people behind the curtain are that intelligent i think that they have a feeling to what makes us tick, and they're going to use it against us, and a lot of it is fear. Why do they do it? You're saying the fear just to drive money. Yeah, I think they have a really good grasp on human nature. I don't think that they've really done a whole lot to change, again, what we are deep down as humans.

And that definition changes as we get more shit. I mean, as we're sitting here with a fucking podcast, backtracking all the way back to we were lighting candles in the future with who the fuck knows. You know what I mean? So it's like it's one of those things where they have a feel for human nature. They're good at it. They know what makes us tick. And that's why shit like this with a verdict that was probably at one point the most important decision that we were all waiting for was basically a nothing burger. And I honestly couldn't even tell you.

I don't even remember the verdict. Well, the verdict wasn't read publicly. She was guilty. Yeah, she was guilty. I know that. Yeah. I mean, she got 20 years apparently in like a country club. And that's the thing. Yeah. The fact that she she's alive i'm like kind of impressed with that it's sad that i'm

impressed with that but when it was like how many days till she hangs herself or gets rid of herself i thought you meant i'm sorry i'll let you keep going but when you said alive i thought you meant like that the judicial system was gonna do something like dude you're watching too much world fucking cup but continue i'm sorry keep going no but like you talk about fear and selling like they're still controlled because you see very you saw like you said you saw very little coverage of that trial and with with epstein if you remember let's give him credit when that story first broke the mainstream media was all over they were all about it for a few days like every head to toe coverage coverage everywhere and then it went away and then james patterson made a documentary for netflix you know he's best friends with clinton

and they just shoved that one under the rug they said you happy we're done over he's dead cool but that like if you're the media and you were just focusing on fear selling and everything that's a story you would have never done like what they did to amy roberto rocker pulling back which he did have that story you know you would have never done shit like that but they're being told that's why like people just want to blame the media right away and you hear me complain about them for certain shit and it's fair for sure but something like this you can't tell me they're the ones making that decision yeah the thing that really i just will never understand i think actually trump alluded to it is and it's probably not even

worth talking about at length because nobody's gonna ever understand it it's like how did this motherfucker kill himself like i don't know according to jim diorio we showed him the news yeah i i said that publicly yeah he said that publicly what was what what was reported on this like how did oh they said they said it was suicide there's a funny thing that happens when when high profile people commit suicide in prison their security camera footage goes out for you know know, like a half hour, an hour. Well, you can't have security footage in the cell. You don't have, you can't have. But all the footage is out.

It's all gone. Well, that shows you. And that's not even true. That shows you the in and out. That's not even true. I don't think you can have security footage in Gen Pops. El Chapo, bitch. Yeah.

Yeah, you can. El Chapo. El Chapo. Remember? We watched that motherfucker go through the shower. Whoop. Right out the fucking Remember? We watched that motherfucker go through the shower. Boop! Right out the fucking tunnel. Where was that prison?

That one was in Mexico. Okay. Just making sure we're on the same page. But, uh... You think he's doing that in Flying Superman? Taking a fucking tunnel? Well, this might be full circle. El Chapo might have tunneled somebody in and then fucking killed the fucking you know epstein and then tunnels his way out yeah yeah

oh man but i mean have you ever seen his cellmate uh epstein's oh yeah i don't i'll sit here and tell you i know nothing about him oh bro this that did his cellmate ever testify epstein's cell no of course he didn't there's no test it this is America. There's no testimony in the Epstein case. Wait, the estate didn't have an action against the prison for allowing this to happen. Jesus Christ. This is his cellmate. That's him. I'll put the picture in the corner so people could see it.

He's a fucking wall. Well, they tried hard to keep him safe, but didn't work. Didn't work. Oh, my God. I just, you know, there's certain people. Can you imagine if that line was true? I just saw something pop up. You're Jeffrey Epstein.

You got this fucking bear sleeping next to you. All of a sudden, they're like, I don't know what happened. I've been here for three years. I'm getting transferred. I'm going home. He's probably like, holy fucking shit. I'm going to die tonight. I've been here for three years, and I'm getting transferred. I'm going home. He's probably like, holy fucking shit. I'm going to die tonight. I'm going to fucking die tonight.

He probably wanted it at that point. He wasn't getting out. You know what I mean? I mean, they had him. Although, who knows? He slipped his way out of the last one. Dude, he's a... What is that Alex Acosta saying?

And I don't even blame the guy, because it seems like he was a pawn. But he said he belongs to intelligence. Pull that mic in. What do you mean? Alex Acosta in 08, who was later – was he the labor secretary under Trump? Is that it? tried for for soliciting a minor for prostitution whatever it was in florida and facing significant time he got that sweetheart deal where he basically he got 13 months but he was allowed to leave prison every day oh yeah and alex acosta when he had been asked about it on the record

later said i was told epstein belongs to intelligence it was above my pay grade. I never saw it. Yeah. But that's incredible. That's incredible. Yeah. And like in that guy's defense, like he lost his, he lost, he had to resign labor secretary for that. And I'm not defending that action per se, but like, I mean, it sounds like he was told what to do.

Yeah, he probably was. But, again, I'm being a contrarian with the deep state type of conversations. But, again, I mean, was it a crafty legal maneuver to somehow get him wrapped up in even the most minor of intelligence-related issues to get that pitch to the DA? Or was it that, in fact, this guy was who I kind of think he is and who you definitely think he is based upon our conversations. Was he tied up in all this shit? I don't fucking know.

I don't know. I really don't know. Well, I mean, the intelligence aspect of him is, if you just start by looking at the, I guess, like the loose tie, at least, that's somewhat known to Adnan Khashoggi and everything, that's where even just that alone right there is sketchy as fuck. Have we talked about that before? No, I don't think we have.

So Adnan Khashoggi was guy you you've heard of him he was a major league saudi arms dealer who was like a man of the town around new york city and fucking europe and shit and he wasn't if i remember correctly he was not related to the royal family in saudi but he had ingratiated himself into that circle and effectively operated it at their behest and i guess on his own as well and so he was worth billions of billions of dollars but there's a dude who did some unbelievable reporting this is gonna sound nuts to say but i'll give you the context because it really is. This guy named Henry Abbott, who I had read growing up because the fucking guy is a basketball reporter. Reports on the NBA. He's got the blog True Hoop.

It used to be a part of ESPN, I believe. And then when ESPN laid off like everyone, he went and took an investigative report that i think was only supposed to be two or three parts when he started it in i think like 2020 maybe where he was looking into the ties of apollo global right epstein and the nba where apollo global there's a couple teams including the hexers right so he goes to do this whole thing and long story short the guy suddenly like uncovers all this shit right and i haven't checked it recently but the last time i checked he was at like 24 parts and they're all like a chapter in a book i mean it's like a full book right and he tied together it's everything from like the nazis with the oss in like world war ii all the way up to Khashoggi and through that.

And so Khashoggi – I'll bring that one up right now. He is believed to be the mentor of Jeffrey Epstein when it came to sex trafficking. He apparently was a very successful evil sex trafficker as well in addition to being an arms dealer and so that's where epstein like i don't know learn the tricks of the truck i don't know how the fuck this works obviously thank god but you know he he learned under him and what's wild is i keep finding this fucking person in the middle of all kinds of shit so like i had david satter in here for episode 92 we're going to have him back in he for people that didn't see that one he is as of now i believe still at the beginning of the war he was but he he is the only western non-russian reporter

who putin has ever kicked out of russia post soviet union and he was actually kicked out in the soviet union too so twice but he got kicked out in 2013 because he's like Putin's number one biographer in the West. Like he knows everything about him. He called it on Putin when he blew up all the buildings in 99 to get into power and everything. And I had been reading his book right before he came in here and he just tossed in this little thing that he didn't when when i'm reading it it didn't seem like he really thought that much of it but there was a whole series of like false flag events that were negotiated ahead of putin bombing his own towers in 1999 in moscow and killing his own people and blaming it on the chechens to start

second chechen war and then got him popular and got him elected to be president as a result but among the ways that they planned this out was that there was a meeting negotiated in 1999 by fucking adnan kashogi at his house with the russian representatives and i believe it was if i'm remembering correctly representatives from dagestan or chechnya or both to have this like fake invasion of dagestan and i'm like this dude was handling the negotiate like between this this world event with a new leader rising to power and everything and it's like it ties back to this guy epstein right it's like where the fuck does this stop so like when we're talking intelligence to me, I look at what's the plausibility of someone being in a certain place at the right time, quote unquote, right? If it happens once, okay, that's coincidence. Happens twice, still could be coincidence.

When it's happening all the time and like even just looking at a guy like Khashoggi right now who's constantly in the middle of all these world affairs. He's a fucking billionaire out there, balling, fucking everything with a a pulse probably a rapist as well i'm sure of like especially of little girls and stuff so sick fuck and yet he's selling all the arms to a bunch of these countries he's trafficking women and probably boys too different people he's probably and he definitely is an intelligence asset and he mentors a guy that we're sitting here wondering oh did he hang himself or did i mean we're not really wondering it but you know what i mean like the whole thing has this shroud over it that you can't it's like it it's a it's a taste in your mouth you're never going to get rid of yeah so what do you think that's not mainstream because of laziness on the part of

you know joe the plumber or is it because there's a lack of transparency with the media and what they know? Obviously, you referenced a guy who, yeah, was a reputable ESPN writer. ESPN writer, yeah, literally. So then what is it? I mean are we that lazy or are we dealing with these outlets that aren't transparent? I mean – or both. I don't know. I don't know.

But the media is beyond – like we always talk about like mainstream media, mainstream media. that there are hooks in all the quote-unquote and not all but in plenty of like the independent media or like the politically aligned media online off the mainstream you're crazy like do you know when when trump fired steve bannon in august 2017 on a friday now unlike alex jones i will say one thousand percent steve bannon is an intelligence asset. 1,000%. Do you know where he went that weekend? Steve Bannon? I believe he was fired on a Friday. But that weekend, do you know where he was?

No. He was at Jeffrey Epstein's house on camera with Epstein for upwards of 18 hours. Why? Was there an event? Was he hosting something? I gonna go pull i'm gonna pull up the footage there is a now as far as i know steve has not released this purported documentary that he's teasing that i'm about to show if i can even still find it on youtube but there is it there is footage and it's it's so tragic it's almost like funny because you can't even believe what's coming wait are you intimating that it's steve

bannon who who went there kind of either whether it's obvious or not for the purpose of of creating content for his new documentary or yeah but that we still don't have it's like it's like what why is he doing that and where is that footage because he hasn't released it well yeah hold on let me i'm concerned we're gonna lose steve bannon if this is a you know gonna be a negative piece which i don't know how it wouldn't be. Let's see. All right, here we go. This was, see, he released this like last year, and it still has not, like, as far as I know, there's no documentary that came out in this point.

Talk about a fucking black sheet. Jesus Christ. Holy shit. What is... See, there he is. That's the guy I was just talking about. That's the blog right there. Hold on one sec. We'll be right back.

I need to find this footage. I can't say, look this up yourselves. I need to find this. Hold on. All right, we're back. I got it. I have a piece of it at least through The Independent. That was hard to find.

Yeah, it was. You can't get on on youtube right now but here here we go so this was she's playing in this the reporter we were just listening to off air she's playing a piece of this of this trailer that happened i'll put it in the bottom corner of the screen for people if i can even i think i could download this scene i made bag living from old thinking but the future is for the way women think the way women think is that not a sop because of of all the Depravity you've done against young woman and your new sop is that they're there women's thinking is Listen, just fucking listen. Oh, I've always believed that women being fact be able to take over

I'm a firm believer and supporter of times up bro he said that i'm a firm believer and supporter of times up and this purported trailer whatever we've never seen but steve bannon steve bannon comes back from the marines i think he was a marine in the 80s networks himself into detroit lambert i think that's how you say it do you know you remember the michael milken thing um no he was the guy who had all the junk bonds went to he's still a billionaire i think today but he went to prison for like a couple years because his firm was like he was the junk bond king and then everyone lost money it was a famous thing yeah anyway the guys who broke off of there all became successful and they

ended up fucking getting their hands in like they started apollo global among other things so like that's where leon black went who then was jeffrey epstein's personal financier the last five six years of his life that's why even though he wasn't one of the nba owners he was the lead owner of apollo that's why henry abbott was looking into this shit and steve bannon at detroit lambert worked on fucking media partnership deals and what do you know steve bannon's one of the guys who negotiated the deals for what became the biggest sitcom of all time seinfeld he is still paid by seinfeld to this day so he had his hands he was in the middle of this firm that had all these ties to all this intelligence related shit allegedly he had his hands on the biggest show of all time which is a major pop culture thing and then he finds his way into there was a bunch of things in the middle

there too but he finds his way into andrew breitbart's orbit when he's blowing up breitbart dies of a heart attack bannon's right there to take over and within four years you have a celebrity guy running for president and bannon just happens to walk in in July and become his campaign manager and then win the fucking thing for him and then become this like political Leninist as he describes himself and everything. So people like this, the fact that you can put that web, him, Khashoggi, all the – and then look at how the media covered for all this stuff. You look at the Bill Clintons. You look at all the powerful people who were on those jets. Plenty of people within politics. Plenty of people who were associated with the parties on there.

They're all in on it in some way and yet nothing. Yeah, I mean, listen, you create a web and I think, listen, it is what it is. It is a web, all right? And I don't, what I'm going to say doesn't discredit anything you're saying because the research you put into it is obviously, you know, it takes hours and days and weeks and months. But the one thing I will say is that, you know, I'm still skeptical about tying all of these people into one um i guess like you know

prize of a motive for them they you know we deal like listen even even personally like we all kind of deal like i'm in an adversarial system that's what we do every day um and a lot of times we make decisions on a, you know, one-on-one level, which is really just a, you know, instruction or even marching orders from the next person. And then you're looking at a book of a firm and how this is going to benefit them, you know, the monetary benefit of actually taking this strategic approach to a problem or to a case, whatever you want to call it. You know, I think that there is, it's not an old boys club, because that would not be fair, but there is a concerted effort to, again, pit ourselves against one another, whether that is in the most literal sense of having an adversary in a courtroom, or if it's taking yourself a couple steps removed and talking about political adversaries, you're talking about coordinating,

you know, international, you know, effort to try to accomplish a goal, but at the same time appear pitted. I think with Bannon, what you're showing me, it sounds like, again, they're feeding off of the American people. They know how to do it. They know when to do it. They know why to do it. And you're able to connect the web. But to go as far as to say that Bannon, Epstein, even going back to Alex Jones, to suggest they're political operatives or international political operatives, I don't know. Well, you know we have them all over the mainstream media, like what you would call the liberal media. You know we have a bunch in there as well. So why wouldn't we also have some that are on like the fringe right well i guess you i guess i

have to i still i'm not convinced of when we say international political operatives or even just domestic political operatives we have to find what what what is the goal of all this you know what is the goal of all this? What is the goal of the operation or multiple operations all coordinating together to achieve a goal? I don't know what that is. I mean, if you talk about Steve Bannon as helping at least for a short period, or not a short period of time, but for maybe, relatively speaking, a short period of time, but with major implications helping a Trump presidency. Okay, but are you suggesting, or at least is the evidence that you've kind of uncovered

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I love how they just walked in like, right, just killing off the end of the Epstein vibe. I was ready to kill it off, dude. Right, go off. It was real serious when we were walking. He's crushing me. This book, that book, that article, this movie. I'm like... I didn't know what was going on

because I just saw Amanda get up. She's like, what, is this fucking dog out of the fucking room? Yeah, now the dog is coming in here to bite you again. Yeah, it's still going to hurt. You guys get a nice dinner? You didn't? You got a little food, though? Something.

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The whole fucking family. You did just have food. I wasn't going to say anything. I was like, dude, I just bought you a cheese steak. Wait, did he make it for you? Yeah. Oh, shit. Not personally.

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This is happening. So, you were closing off the point. I hope I can even remember this but you were closing off the point trying to say like some of the epstein evidence was uh quote unquote suspect to say definitively that all these other people are potentially tied to intelligence which is tied to him no it's listen it could be it could be perceived as my laziness but it also reminds me a lot of like uh uh charlie day from always sunny when he has all the fucking he you know it was like when he was working i don't know if he was working in the mail room or not but the episode where he literally like he's just obsessed like he's got all the fucking yarns of you know

all the string you know pointing to different pictures and he's like i got you fucking got it he's like we spent a lot of time trying to figure out what the connection is, and like, yeah, okay, a lot of these extremely powerful, extremely wealthy, you know, political fucking hegemon-type people are connected somehow, but like, come on.

Like, it shouldn't surprise us that much, and again, you deal with so many people. I mean, listen, they could be the biggest fucking frauds ever, one is on this side of the political spectrum the other one's on this side of the political spectrum yet their their goals are all the same right i don't think they have a mutual goal necessarily but again i i they're all connected and i look you've done your own work you've done your research i can't tell you with a straight face that you're you're you're out you know out in left field, but I don't see that they'll have a common goal.

I just don't see it that way. That's the interesting thing too because you look at what alignment looks like around the world and there's a lot of people who run with like, oh, they're all in on it together at all times. I'm not so sure about that. I think there's a lot of conflicting interests out there without a doubt. I mean you just look at like geopolitical events, even in smaller places where countries are fighting against each other i don't think it's all like contrived but you know the the media that we keep referring to

that puts forth all these all these narratives right like that's what they do and there's narratives online in the independent media as well that can occur when it's politically sided towards one side or the other. It's like, you know, you immediately put up these walls that says, this is our hill, we will die on it. And that's therefore anyone who listens to us, but I haven't talked to you about it in a while. Like, you look at what we've seen in Ukraine all year. I mean, we're fucking, what, nine months into this war, eight months into this war or whatever? And it took about a week before you had people firmly on the, you know, this is bullshit or, you know, Slavic Ukraine. You know what I mean? Like, you had clear lines in the sand so first of all just even where we stand now like what what are your thoughts on that and where do you see this going so i the uh the the conspiracy aspect of it i i don't i really talked

to anyone about that the only the only uh mention of conspiracy we had was what some people are calling that false flag where the two Polish farmers get blown up by what all accounts seem to suggest is a Ukrainian missile. But other than that, I didn't look at it like there's a conspiracy going on where Russia is under some mutual understanding with Ukraine. I didn't look at it like that. First of all, what's his name? G.I. Walensky, the president of Ukraine. I mean, he is, like, honestly, like, him, the fact that he can look at Putin and call him a war criminal is kind of like, it's crazy. What's wrong with that? First of all, he is a war criminal, Putin.

Yeah. It's crazy. What's wrong with that? First of all, he is a war criminal, Putin. But this guy is also a gentleman, if you want to call it, who's gone into primarily Russian speaking. And when you dive down culturally into religion and into stuff that you'll see, like even with Catholicism, the stuff that we take for granted, like going to church on Sunday and stuff like that during Christmas time, whatever. I mean, he tried to root these guys out. And this isn't just me researching this. So I actually have a lawyer that works with me. Can't say his name, won't say his name. He's Russian, all right?

I can Google that shit real easy. Yeah. Yeah. I really know. Is it down? But I said worked with me. Did I say works? He works with me.

Fuck, he wouldn't care. He's like, dude, he goes, all of a sudden, he goes, I wake up and he goes, I got one asshole who's Putin. And I'm sorry, dude, don't go back to Russia after I say this. But he got one asshole and another asshole. And at the end of the day, it's like, again, I think Russia has the short-term goal of trying to recapture Soviet Union territory. And that's how it looks nice. It looks pretty. It looks clean. But you're right.

There is another element going on here. It's probably not a giant conspiracy between two world powers. I guess I can call Ukraine a world power. They have our nuclear weapons somewhere in their country. But I'm not looking at it like that. I just think that it's a strategic political move for Putin. It's a strategic political reaction. And not to mention, you look at my one buddy.

I won't say his name name but he's on a new show um his initials are tc uh very popular um he started talking about how much money we've been sent tucker carlson fuck it so he's talking about how much money and this is these these are these are these are not uh uh this these are we have republic Republicans voting for this stuff. It's not like this is a strong-arm Democratic bill that gets passed by Uncle Joe. This is a bipartisan effort to fund Ukraine. So, again, when I walk back to what I said earlier, which is fear equals money, it's you have – we've created a conflict where it seems as though Ukraine is the only one benefiting. I don't know.

I mean Russia I thought maybe they were on to something as well. But I know they lost at least temporarily the ability to complete the pipeline with Germany. I know that was probably a big – yeah. I know that was probably a big monetary hit. I know that we have assets frozen and no one in here is going to comment on assets or anything like that. But we have a scenario

where we're looking at, I think, fear-mongering. It's creating a great opportunity to generate revenue for Ukraine, and it did. The people that got killed, it's a travesty. I'd like to fucking shoot Putin in the head if I had the chance,

but I'm not necessarily having a fucking drink with G.I. Lewinsky. It ain't happening. I got to say, though, there's definitely no one in the... Like, nobody talks like that guy. Like, thank you, President Biden, for sending... Like, you don't talk like that. He bought the same fucking jacket i bought a patagonia that's camo and he went out like this i mean this is who we're dealing with you know it's like that vogue cover was nice though was he i was hot yeah he and his wife they're a good couple are they yeah yeah it was very well

done in the middle of surprises i thought he was married to the military in country he's married to a woman to the what oh yeah yes he is she's like kind of hot like no lie he was married to the military in country. He's married to a woman? To the what? Oh, yeah. Yes, he is. She's kind of hot. No lie. He was an actor or some shit before that. Was she?

No, he was. Oh, he was? Yeah, yeah. Well, that doesn't surprise me. That doesn't surprise me. Look at Burlesconi. I mean, that guy's a fucking man. But anyway, that's a whole different question.

They say Burlesconi was the Trump before Trump. Probably, because my aunt from italy hates him too so yeah you're right so she hates trump and hates burlesconi that's kind of funny i don't know if they know each other but they definitely have like the same style i don't know do you think putin's dying though dying motherfucker don't look good he's got his fucking hand shaking on the table every time yeah i'll pull up the video in a second but like he's got his fucking hand shaking on the table every time yeah i'll pull up the video in a second but like he's got his hand shaking on the table like holding it when he's meeting with people his face is puffy as fuck like he's on steroids out the ass i mean you saw him in that in that goddamn hazmat suit i'll put that in the corner of the screen

like during the beginning of covid he looked like he was about to invade mars dude you're on something really cool i never fucking thought about it. Dude, these guys, dictator types, when they are about to die, they do want legacy moments. Yes. So that's a really fucking interesting part. I never even thought about that. I never thought about that. But, yeah, I mean, I don't know anything about his health, to be honest with you. Yeah, let's see if I just pulled up one on YouTube right now, so I'll put it in the corner.

You guys in the studio can't hear this, but Mike and me can. So this way, look at this. Mike. Oh, shit, I just went off it, sorry. Look at this. Look at his hand. See it on the right side there? It's like holding the table.

And then there were other meetings where he was like, he was, his foot's like shaking uncontrollably and shit. And you're seeing him like less on camera too, like they're putting him on camera like from side angles and stuff when he's in the office. His hair is thinning. Yeah. I mean that's been happening.

Right? And I think this video, what was the date on this? I think this is several months old. Yeah, seven months ago. Right? A lot of our favorite celebrities are going to die, and we're going to be like, what? But it's just what they get done.

Like, there's so many ways to make you look younger. Right. I mean, I would have thought they would have deep-faked it at this point. Like, have a stand-in. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like, if that's a stand-in, the stand-in is really fucking struggling.

Kim Jong-un has looked like a fat fuck for how many years I don't think they his videos are incredible I haven't seen many you haven't seen his videos I thought he actually died

until somebody told me that I'm crazy I'm like well this isn't like the fucking Betty White shit that was happening 10-15 years ago this was like

I thought he actually died but apparently he didn't no he didn't he killed his brother though but yeah he fed him to the dogs they what did he feed oh no he didn't he killed his brother though but yeah he fed him the dogs they what did he feed oh that was the uncle the uncle they fed the uncle he fed the uncle

two dogs that's probably like the only fucking food those dogs had anyway uh there's no food in that country i don't know it looks he's like the worst of the worst dude uh kim jong-un yeah oh the ads that north korea puts out for their country are really nice that's what i'm saying like you see him on like a white horse horse riding valiantly and he's walking away. Honestly, good marketing. You see the fucking missile going off in the background in slow-mo. He's walking away like Tom Cruise. But really, he's just a fat fuck while his whole country's starving.

Yeah, he's another sick fuck. But again, that's like... Pull that mic in. Yeah, there's levels to this stuff with these dictators. Because you look at how fucked up he is and it's like – Pull that mic in. Yeah, there's like levels to this stuff with these dictators. Because you look at how fucked up he is, and it's like, well, Putin – I mean, yeah, now we can call him a war criminal. Obviously, he never let the KGB go. KGB. KGB.

What did I say? Don't worry about it. All right. But, you know, there are levels to this shit. And, listen, I've are levels to this shit. And, listen, I've always disliked Putin. I was like, I remember when Mitt Romney said it. And I was like, you know, he said, Russia's are great.

You were a big Romney guy. Huh? You were a big Romney guy. Dude. Love them. Had a lot of kids. Didn't cheat. You know, like Joe. You like the Mormon?

No. You don't like the Mormon aspect? No. Dude, after you watch that South Park episode, how can you ever take Mormon as a seriously? You know? That's like the fucking greatest shit ever. And I also saw the Book of Mormon, which was a great show. Great play, I guess.

Right. But I remember that. Remember Obama? Look, that was the quote taken by Obama when he was like, yeah, the Cold War cold, once it's foreign policy back. Yeah, it's because Obama was a community organizer in Chicago. And didn't even care about the guns he had in his own community, let alone the potential. What do you mean he didn't care about the guns?

That's bullshit. That's cap. Statistically speaking. Here you go. You like your book, Lauren. Statistically speaking, go tell me the palpable difference between gun violence when Obama was, even at the height of his political career in Chicago, and prove me wrong. I don't know if you can. Commenters, pull those stats up.

Throw them downstairs. We'll see what happens. All right. But I just realized said book learning. I love that show. Yeah. The what? We're not going there.

You can't just say that. You can't be like, ah, listen to this. It's funny. We're not going there. The Trailer Park Boys. I've said that before. I actually said that. I actually said, I didn't say book learning.

I said I was learning. It's a weird context. It has nothing to do with what we're talking about. So I was learning. It's a weird context. It has nothing to do with what we're talking about. But anyway. No, I mean, back on the Ukraine thing here, it's like I do think a lot about what Andy Bustamante, the CIA guy, says. Because, you know, he gets a lot of shit. And I love Andy. Like, I'm good friends with the guy.

I think he is he's the most impressive sparring partner i've had in here like he we go at each other too like in a in a in a healthy way like he'll cut i love it like he'll come right back at me and stuff and then we'll laugh about it afterwards and everything but there's there's things he says where it's like all right then relax chill jason bourne but then there's other things he says, and he literally was Jason Bourne. There's other things he says where it's like, oh, shit, that's a really hard pill to swallow, but does that make sense? And like with the Ukraine thing, one of the takes he's had since like the beginning of the war is that, you know, he appears to be a guy when I hear him talk. Like he doesn't like Biden at all. Like he thinks this is is not a good administration. But he said that the moves that we're making from a financial loading perspective, which is therefore paying these tens of billions of taxpayer money over and over and over again into Ukraine, is actually a very smart move.

And I don't know if he said this directly but he strongly insinuated at the very least but people can run the tape on episode 97 to see in episode 107 to see but he i think it was 107 like the 135 mark in there but go check it anyway if you went into if if he's like if you go into ukraine and you're paying them all this money what do you now have you have a client state they have to do what you want them to do if If you are paying – like their GDP is like $200 billion a year or something like that. I'll pull it up after I'm done talking. And we paid them, what, like $100 billion or something? We effectively own them, and they're in this strategic spot, hypothetically, in between Europe and Russia.

And who's to the south of Russia is China. You got your fascism and your communism. We don't like that here right and so now you have this land where they've already been laundering a bunch of money where they've already i shouldn't even say that but that certainly happens but they've been putting a lot they've been parking them right they've been parking a lot of money there even government sources as far as like in some of those i'm gonna fuck this up if i say it but like some of those facilities we'll call it it, in Ukraine and everything.

And now effectively they get to have a man on the ground and like I don't think – I don't think Zelensky can do shit without getting – forget even the other Western powers who have helped him that have a say in this. I don't think he can do shit without a sign-off from the US. Do you think that just happened? I mean, I think since the end of the Cold War. Hold him, Ike. I think since the end of the Cold War, that's how it's been. I just don't, again, I'm sure that bill hundreds of millions of dollars into getting a body in Ukraine. Well, I saw the bill.

I don't know if it ever – I don't know if that – It's billion. Oh, it's – yeah. It's ridiculous. I know we get lost in the numbers sometimes because it's all a lot of money to us. But yeah, it's into billions. And it's hard.

Like when you Google it, I'll try it again, but like when you Google it, how much money total have we given to Ukraine? It's hard to like find the exact answer, which is never a good sign. They were trying to do 37 billion. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

Like it's 37 billion, 3.7 billion, 40 billion. Like it's all a lot of money. It's a lot of fucking money. SBF lost $40 and they're asking for $37. Yeah, we'll get to that. So instead of Ukraine, pretend it was a girlfriend. How much are you going to pay her to be your girlfriend? Nothing.

If I've got to pay someone to be my girlfriend, that's not a girlfriend. That's a hooker. All right. So I mean I don't really see the benefit of dumping money into that country. I just don't. Putin has proven through, you know, at least the standoffs that we've seen and even not the standoffs, but these strategic hits that he's had, these bombings. I mean, really? I mean, he's still at war with Ukraine.

This was a country that we were deathly afraid of for years and years. Listen, nuclear options, scary as shit, obviously. There's no doubt about it. But, I mean, I think this guy is aging because he just showed his fucking hand, which is that he is not who we all thought he was. At this point? Yeah. I think, and guess what what i hate to break the

fucking news but china is going to be even more embarrassing they just will i know they will what do you mean in terms of a a military standoff i mean they got a fucking island to the southeast of them that it's like i mean but like what what like what's stopping them i mean holy shit i mean you know they landed they landed an airplane on an aircraft, you know, 10 years ago. I mean, they should be rolling at this point, you know? Yeah, why haven't they taken Taiwan yet? I don't know. Is it the dependence on the United States?

I mean, we are a giant consumer. I mean, it could be that. What are you more surprised about? How long the Ukraine war has lasted? What is it, nine months? Or that China hasn't invaded Taiwan yet? Well, at the – see, I'm a little anchored, biased by that because at the beginning, like right at the beginning of the war, like a week or two in, Boost went danny's podcast concrete and then he even he repeated it on a bunch of podcasts he repeated here and other places since but he went on and said he is predicting in the lead up to the 2024 election china will take taiwan and he backed that with a bunch of evidence

but i will finish it by saying this because he did say this publicly so i can say this he says i'm allowed to say i was stationed in asia but i'm not allowed to say where that said i speak thai japanese and chinese so you do the math so point being when this guy opens his mouth on this kind of stuff it doesn't guarantee he's right no you know he wouldn't be sitting here with me if that was the case but you listen you definitely listen to that so i don't know i mean if they did that what can we even do about it um what can we do about it what do you mean like an occupation do you take military operation about well yeah i mean i don't think the united states would preemptively um respond to intelligence that

china had uh you know like imminent threat of occupation i don't think they do that uh i don't know i mean but like you just said Nancy Pelosi just flew a fucking airplane over to God You know China and Taiwan And obviously in Chinese airspace Which I think that's everywhere apparently Paul unload the NVIDIA They're behind So I don't know

I don't know what the reaction would be I'm not I mean Japan couldn't get it done I don't think China's gonna get it done I think it's I think they're Well Japan couldn't get it done. I don't think China's going to get it done. I think it's, I think they're- Well, Japan, doesn't China, someone was telling me though,

China's got some of the same problems Japan does now. They're just a lot bigger. What do you mean? Japan, they're just not fucking. Well, I saw an interesting, an article about there was another scare, which is interesting because there are, you know, like you got the China virus, whatever,

which is also why there's there are the you know like you got the china virus whatever which is also why i i don't necessarily think that china uh cultivated a virus to use as a biological weapon because of this reason they have another pandemic that started in what we would consider a space that you would drive past on 95 you know you'd see it you'd probably drive past it'd take you about 15 seconds it houses like a million fucking workers it's just something absurd so they had another outbreak this was probably within the last 2-3 weeks and the people and the actual workers of the facility

were so fucking scared that they were going to lock them into these already shithole places they left, they bailed and they literally threw all of their shit instead of going in and dragging stuff out you know through the hallways down the elevators out the doors they literally tossed the shit out the window and it just is now i don't know how long it's gonna take china to figure this out yeah i'll put it in the corner of the screen this was this was four days ago this is outside in guangzhou this is where i believe this is the

town in the south china coast where they make all these chips and this is all of them moving past the barricades trying to go home and that's another like this is an interesting topic let's talk about this but when you look at like their threat level and you're saying like i want to dig into that because you're playing it down more and and i've heard some people actually talking like you are now which sounds great to me because if a threat is less like that's awesome but like i always think about it this way like david satter points out it only took 15 of the population in the soviet union to take down the government that when they got to that

threshold boom wall comes down fuck you we're done now they screwed up the rebuild obviously but the soviet union was end was ended in china only 6.9 percent of the population is a member of the communist party i know yeah that's a lot now there's a lot of very poor people who they torture and it's and i always say this've got to separate the government from the people, two very different – even the party from the people, two very different things. And I see people right there who are human fucking beings who don't like being locked up and told what to do. And at some point, I'm like, you know – I mean, do you know we got intelligence on the ground there? I fucking – I confirmed it a few months ago. You know what I mean?

Yeah, I know what you mean. I guess that shit gets – it gave me chills. I'm like fuck i'm like let's go we have a chance here um to get probably one of the most industrious group of people and i'm not talking about like again i don't i don't constitute industrious individual to locked up in a fucking you know uh nike factory with a net you know next to your window so you don't kill yourself because you're too much of a fucking asset as a you know yeah you know i'm talking about that i'm just talking about yeah yeah i'm um uh yeah that's good to see i mean they're not brainwashed they're not i don't think they have been um even the ones that are there's at least there's a humanity to them yeah but

they're poor they're poor they're destitute um they travel you know uh you know how large china is obviously and how many major cities they have. I mean, I think they outpaced us by like 10 to 12, you know. This is like almost an office quote. I think Michael Scott got this quote correct, and I'm actually going to get it wrong. But they're fucking, I mean, they obviously have, you know, they obviously, they're, you know, major cities outpaced us, you know. They got like, you know, 20 Detroits, you know. They got like 20 Detroits. It's like-

A lot more than that. Yeah, exactly. So listen, I'm happy to see that. But at the end of the day, I know who has the button and it's that 6.9%. And you got to be careful. You don't want to run into conflict with China. I mean, they own. So that's the thing.

I have been really reassured in the past six months or so talking with different people off the record from the military talking about how shitty their military still is like that's great but they have bought economic influence fucking everywhere bro like they own effectively through debt all these poor countries around the world that have no ability to pay it back and you see it projecting itself like you remember the videos from the beginning of the pandemic of people who would like turn off the camera when you mentioned taiwan and they're like from fucking canada yeah i mean this is real shit so that influence is like where does that go to

and i look it's also important to remember this i'm always thinking about like okay this is the one at least some people see and they're talking about because they got fucking 1.4 or whatever it is 1.3 billion people there but like where are we not looking you know when you see these things like i did a podcast a solo podcast on that north stream pipeline everything right after it happened like my opinions on that and i was very light with my opinions in that episode but my opinions since that have changed completely because i'm like i mentioned it could have been four different people could have been russia could have been ukraine could have been the u.s could have been i think i threw china out there as a fourth but like now there's other places where i'm like what if they're like trying to sow the dissent or whatever?

And I don't know why and I have no proof whatsoever. But you know there's all kinds of like deflection campaigns. Like they tried to make Trump all about Russia, right? Like every president that's been in there at least in the last six decades, some country has some dirt on them that does something, right? And they tried to make it with him so public that like it was russia we saw those investigations prove nothing and i never thought it was that even if russia causes a lot of problems here they certainly do but like i never thought it was them but who was it right who was it with bush who was it with obama who is it with biden you know people could speculate on that and it's like well what is that how does that impact policy and and and how

much is it like the place that we don't see versus the place we're talking about yeah i don't know you're real riled up with trump man i don't know what happened what did he do piss in your cereal um yeah i mean yeah no i think no to be fair to trump like i think it's all of them i think every president has had some dirt on them with someone, and I don't think it goes as deep as they tried to say, for example, with Russia on Trump. I think that was crazy. What do you consider dirt? Deal gone

wrong, using migrant labor, you look at what's going on in Qatar, is it 35 people who died? Is it 100 people? Is that the dirt you're talking about? You you talking about, you know, again, that global conspiracy of, you know, somehow, you know, putting, you know, Trump in a position to become president and then getting some benefit? No. Yeah.

No, I don't buy that. Okay. I don't think for anything people want to say about Donald Trump, I don't think there was any difference in leverage on him than any other president around him in the four, five decades around him. Yeah, I think – well, I agree. I think it's even less because by nature, this is a guy that obviously does not bend the pressure. He also is his own person. He's going to make his own decisions. That's definitely true.

But there probably is a certain level where if he had the right person knocking on the right door, he probably would cave a little bit, I'm sure. We're all human. But yeah, it's interesting. But the bombing of the pipeline, you brought that up. Again, I thought that was an open shot case. Was it not? How so? Well, I thought that was an open shot case. Was it not? How so? Well, I thought that was already NBC, CNN.

I thought they all said it was Russia. Wasn't it or was it not? Well, you had two sides right away. They said Russia and the U.S. And the more days that went on, the more I firmly believed it was neither. Okay. So I don't know, though. It's wild to me how much that story went out like a light in a week.

Yeah, it fizzled. I was just thinking for a second of a comparable story, but I lost it. Oh, yeah, it was, again, going back to the Polish farmer story. I'm telling you, I went home, I heard about it, and mentally I geared up for, okay, you're going to have, well, it wouldn't be Joe, but you'd have someone come out, say Russia just bombed Poland, created a huge spectacle. And the knee-jerk reaction from the current administration was that, no, no, no, we need some digging here, which I think at the end of the day number one should embolden putin because their initial reaction was that this is uh something we need to look at they knew it wasn't they oh yeah it was look at the fucking serial number on the fucking bomb i mean

it wasn't there it wasn't that much mystery about it so i think they knew right away it was ukraine it was uh you know uh you know it was an. It was, you know, you know. It was an accident. Shetinsky, Walensky, you know, whatever his name is. And then all of a sudden they're like, oh, fuck. All right, let's make sure we don't just find ourselves in a war now with Russia. Because at this point, I think they're looking at it as a political win. The dust is slowly settling, at least on the U.S. involvement with this conflict.

And Biden's going to walk out of it with a win. And I don't think that's necessarily fair. But I don't think that's fair. Why? Because what victory is he rallying behind? He lost countless lives in Ukraine. You have now apparently an aging sick man who's now even more desperate. You have an economy in the United States that just dumped billions of dollars into Ukraine,

which, again, at any moment they could find themselves in the same or similar conflict. What do we benefit from any of this? You're going to lose the same amount of lives. And you lost them, and they're gone, and it's fucked up. So where did we benefit as Americans? All I had was people positioning themselves and their ideology with Putin, which I'm like, whoa, what the fuck? What the hell is going on? I have people over here in Philly.

My neighbor puts a Ukrainian flag out. I'm like, dude, you just had a fucking Irish flag out the day before. I was like, what the fuck is going on? I'm like, was there a conflict in Ireland that I missed? No, it's because it's a fucking, your virtue signal. I care about Ukraine. We don't want to see people die. I mean, holy shit, man. You feel bad?

It's our generation. I mean, we don't want anyone to get hurt. We just want to fucking make money and smoke weed. I don't do one of those things, but, you know. Allegedly. Yeah, trying to increase my income but anyway um we'll work on that but that's why um but anyway yeah i i uh i don't have an

answer to it but i it's just the shit needs to end i don't think we should send another fucking dime and that's the end of the story but did, did you see what they did to the Progressive House Caucus with that? No. Oh, you didn't see this? No. So Progressive House Caucus, farthest left part of the Congress. The white suits? The what? You're talking about the white suits?

Who the fuck are the white suits? Remember the white suits? Every time Trump had a State of the Union address, you had the white suits. Like AOC and shit? Yeah, the white suits. That was a thing? Yeah. Really? Yeah. White suits are are swag why did i not notice that yeah but when all the same people are wearing the same color suit yeah and they're the same type of person it's not swag yeah it's not it's not it's not sorry they might

i don't want to see that i feel like they'd ruin it yeah they did i don't want to see it now but yeah so it's like rashida talib right so these this group wrote a letter to to the well it's supposed to be to biden yeah and it gets released and it says like they wrote it on a fucking leaf no no they wrote they wrote it was a page and a half long it's online you can i'm not gonna read it right now but you can go google it right now and read it and they basically wrote hey you know we support ukraine obviously like this shit's wild like fuck putin whatever whatever but you know we've given them whatever 100 billion dollars whatever it is a lot of money and there's intelligence to suggest that possibly russia could be open to having conversations that would lead to

peace that also gets ukraine a w maybe not a full w like russia still exists and is a country and everything but it gets them a w where they keep their land draw the lines back to february 1st and they can say oh we beat off mother russia right right and this gets put out a day later a report comes out that says oh a staffer leaked it no we actually never really wrote that it doesn't really matter which means that you know somebody went and tapped on their shoulder and said yeah you're gonna fucking you're gonna put that shit back and so you see that there is this coordinated effort to pull back any attempts at peace including coming from what what is in this case great liberal ideology right there to say like hey we're looking out for ukraine but we're looking

for the world here too because you're dealing with the biggest nuclear arms weaponry like that exists right here's the pulse again figure on the pulse so you have you have obviously it's ukraine fever and it died down why did it die down well a part of it i i think you're approaching the holidays you had some pretty intense elections, extremely important U.S. elections, as you know. We talked about it earlier. And all of a sudden, Ukraine was not really even a topic of conversation, even with CNN. I mean, even Humpty Dumpty was like, you know, forgot where the map was for a second. He's not on there anymore.

I know, yeah. I know he didn't meet, too. We know that. But then all of a sudden you have this bombing, and I feel like it's all kind of a strategic media blitz where you have, okay, oh, shit, Russia just bombed Poland. Like, what the fuck? And not to mention you have the world cup to bring in the

international players but and now all of a sudden they're looking at it and saying all right well what's the reaction of people yeah it fizzled out quickly it's gone i think this shit ends now i think they did a last-ditch attempt i mean all but you know actually dropping a fucking you know sar bomb or nuclear bomb on uh on uk Ukraine is going to silence this media blitz. The people don't give a shit anymore, especially the American people. I think this shit's – Oh, if that happened, bro, the whole – it's a world war. Well, I agree with you, but I don't think they're going there.

I think they wanted to test the – I hope they're not. I think they wanted to test the pulse on what type of reaction they would get. Is it a hot topic? Is it something people are buying into? Will it stir up local politicians? Will it stir up up the big companies the oracles of the world that you know will it will it get um the juice is flowing it's not anymore it's done i guarantee you it's done i give you three months from now start of the new year ukraine maybe there's a peace deal maybe

there's not maybe putin dies not going to matter transition of power they're teeing up to move the fuck on so what the next thing is i don't know but i think this is going to matter. Transition of power. They're teeing up to move the fuck on. So what the next thing is, I don't know. But I think this is going to be cyclical. I think you're going to have it reoccurring. I don't think you'll ultimately have the red button pressed. I don't see that. You're right.

But I think it's a cyclical attempt to get as much money as you can, redistribute wealth among all the main players, and then turn the page and go on to the next major conflict. I think this is exactly what I was saying since fucking we started talking before I started drinking. All right, hold on. I got to go to the bathroom. We'll be right back. Because I nuke it, because I assume it's going to cool off before we start. It's now the temperature of the Dunkin' Donuts off of JFK. All right, good, good.

All right, well, we're back. We stopped to go to bathroom real fast but you were saying earlier speaking of when we started drinking you were saying that there was that other tiktok case are you talking about the daryl brooks case yeah yeah and all right what happened there again yeah so he uh well i you apparently are not allowed to say it's him, but a man. What do you mean you're not allowed to say it's him? I'll get to it. So, Darryl Brooks, he had some sort of altercation. I don't know if it was the day before or the night before or like the early morning hours of the day where this all went down, but gets an altercation. He has a history of domestic violence.

Like, this guy's a real piece of shit so he's just off his rocker and uh decides to drive uh his car through a parade and when was this uh this was i guess it was in it was either 2021 or 2020 um and it was a christ parade, and the big part, the death toll really came because there was an element of the parade that was called the Dancing Grannies. It's a funny name, but the whole thing was really fucked up. So you had a bunch of women in, I guess, I don't know if there was an age cutoff,

but 65 and up, and they did a performance in the parade. He ran down dozens of people, multiple fatalities, and the guy ends up, despite months and months of the judge urging him to get an attorney, use a public defender, making sure that he understood what he was about to do. He's waving his right to an attorney, decides to represent himself. And for a second, he thought he was the smartest lawyer on earth. And it was probably the most – I don't know how the judge in that case actually held her composure the way she did. She kind of laid into him at

the end when when we were dealing with sentencing but it was like just the biggest fucking joke so the guy was like one of the um or at least for that trial he was one of the uh sovereign citizens so he didn't acknowledge the fact like that people were referring to him as daryl brooks so he would not he would that was not his name. It was his government name. His government name. Well, I guess the sovereign citizens, at least an element of them, believe that the names they're giving at birth are not their names. So, I mean, this is the type of shit you're talking about.

But when you're watching it on TikTok and you're getting updates, I mean, it was incredible. They had to actually kick him out of the courtroom, which in our democracy seems so shocking because you're removing a litigant out of a courtroom, especially in a criminal trial. very end all the guy cared about was taking shots at the people that he perceived to be uh you know inept including the prosecutor uh who was there i think in that county for for over 20 years who did a really nice job of them because i mean the guy was such a piece of shit but naturally he gets sentenced i mean it was probably like in terms of the length of years it was like something out of austin powers when you know dr evil Evil gets sentenced to a billion years. It was that huge of a sentence for each count. But the guy was like, he was such a genuine piece of shit.

But I watched every moment of it. And that was kind of the power of where we're at with TikTok as the largest search engine that exists right now. That's what it is. How long did that trial go on? It had to be weeks, weeks and weeks. I don't know how long jury selection was. You obviously didn't see that. That wasn't on TikTok.

But I'd imagine the whole process in terms of jury selection to sentencing, it's well over a month. And that's not that foreign for this type of case, but it was crazy. It was crazy. Yeah, I mean, I saw a few. I didn't follow it at all like you did, but I saw a few videos of him going back and forth with the judge. And I know when the person is in the defense seat it's their decision how everything goes like that is what it is but you know not to i i hate when we write off things just to do it on like oh mental health for everything right like this guy's a sick

fuck clearly like let's not twist words here but like when you i can't help but thinking when you watch something like that that person belongs in a mental hospital for a very long time because there's there he had zero capacity for any understanding of his surroundings like he couldn't even like he would straight you want to talk about like disrespecting the judge it was to the point where i i thought it was a medical problem like i'm like this person should never have been in society like they needed help a lot and i'm just some fucking armchair quarterback watching it but like i looked at this i'm like of course this person was going to do something like this like how the fuck did we not catch this as a society that's a complicated like you know a little silo to go down but he did not strike me you know you could say

pretty much any killer has some level of craze to him let's let's be fair but he did not strike me you know you could say pretty much any killer has some level of craze to him let's let's be fair but he really struck me as like out of his fucking mind yeah i mean i don't listen i don't know how many i don't know how many criminal um well i don't know how many accused would act differently if they had the opportunity to represent themselves i i think a lot of yeah for him it was kind of an education also cultural i mean the guy thought obviously that he was at times the smartest man in the room when even lay people who aren't in the legal world knew that this guy knew no clue what the fuck he was talking about i mean to to any credit i can give the guy and there's not a lot there i mean the guy obviously guy obviously did some research. He'll do a lot of research, I guess, while he studies his appeal in the Quran in jail.

But he will obviously continue this legal career of his, or at least the way that he perceives it. But I don't know. He definitely wasn't legally insane. He doesn't fit that criteria. And he didn't legally insane. Okay, he doesn't fit that criteria. And he didn't argue it. No, he didn't. And there's not necessarily a neutral third party that steps in and makes a determination. I mean, again, if he was criminally insane, which I'm not sure that he's going to fit the definition in most jurisdictions.

And, again, I don't think that's going to – not in this jurisdiction either. But, anyway, he – yeah, I think it was more of a cultural problem for him. jurisdictions and again i don't think that's gonna not in this jurisdiction either but anyway he um yeah i think it was a it was more of a cultural problem for him i mean he just again um i've met people like him uh not killers but people that seem to think that they're able to uh you know do a little amount of research do a little little bit amount of prep for something that, honestly, as you can tell from the prosecution, took an entire career to prosecute this guy, even how guilty as he was to do it effectively. And he wasn't prepared.

But, you know, it's his right to do it. I mean, that's what it boils down to. It is his right to do it. He did it. And, boy, did he, you know and uh and and boy did he did he you know probably make a huge mistake but did he get sentenced too he did he was sentenced yeah it was like one of the i mean it was like there was like 35 plus count uh charges um and you know it's like you know 20 000 years something like that you know they don't have a death penalty so yeah um

which i'm which i'm cool with because we mess up a sobering percentage of those not that his we know he did it but i'm saying like for the system like i don't believe in the death penalty because there's too many that we yeah yeah and there's so much money to be made out of the prison system so i think we should keep him in there no i'm kidding but i don't uh i don't i don't yeah i agree with you i don't i don't i don't – yeah, I agree with you. I don't see the benefit of the death penalty. But although you look at the Florida shooter, which is another – again, didn't watch it on any type of – The Florida shooter? Yeah, the guy that was in Parkland.

Oh, yeah. Oh, bro. I'm sorry. I got to say this. Yeah. Did you see the judge in that case? Yeah. What about her?

It's the hottest judge I've ever seen in my life. Oh that case? Yeah, about her. It's the hottest judge I've ever seen in my life. Oh. Bro. Yeah, yeah. The hottest judge I've ever seen in my life. I didn't know they made judges like that. When she was sentencing him, like, you are sentenced to life in prison. I'm like, fuck yeah, sister.

That's it, girl. You say what's up. You say what's up to that motherfucker. So that was another one, another TikTok trial. And you get to see shit you don't always see. And stuff that blows my mind because I know I've been in a position in trial where I just want to literally strangle the defense attorney for just – And even like you saw in – what's his name, Alex Jones. I don't use the word liar trial.

I don't. And a lot of judges and, you know, at least in, you know, court of common pleas in almost every county surrounding Philadelphia, including Philadelphia, you don't go in and say someone's a liar. I mean, that's just like, it's just kind of etiquette. You prove it um you know you give the jury an opportunity to put two and two together so like a lot of shit i see on tv a lot of the higher profile cases you know emotions are high but like in parkland you had one of the public defenders actually flipped off uh uh either the judge or one of the people giving the witness impact statements. Because at the end of the trial, you're able to give the way they had it.

They held it. The public defender did that? Yeah, one of the public defenders. So she was, you know, the judge in open court, you know, criticized her, obviously. And then there became a major blowout where you had another one of the public defenders who filled in, slid into the role. I mean, they must've had 10 different public defenders in this County working with this guy. Then another one, um, was, I guess, uh,

directly attacked by one of the, um, family members who was given a witness impact statement and made a comment about his children. Like what if it was your children? And he basically lost his mind and he actually looked at the judge, and at that point the judge already saw another public defender flip off judge slash individual given a witness impact statement. And then you have this other public defender say, well, Your Honor, what if it was your kids? And she lost her fucking mind.

She lost all composure. You mentioned earlier in the Alex Jones trial, and even the trial with the guy from Daryl, whatever his name is. She loses her fucking mind. I don't know if you have it. Oh, yeah, you do. Yeah, I have the middle finger video. All right, this is like 90 seconds.

Let's see. Okay, exactly what is it? Judge, before Mr. Schachter took the podium to testify before this court, I wanted to reflect that both Mr. Marcus and Mr. Sass looked at the statement prior to the reading. And so their implicit adoption of what he was saying was improper arguments. Okay, but what you are doing right now is highlighting something and making more of a spectacle so if your office in general does not want to facilitate and or incite violence then we need to just sit down and move on that's it there were 18 witnesses 16 or 18 witnesses that testified today. There was nothing that was said. Ms. McNeil made her. She can sentence me or whatever she wants.

You know, we're moving on. But is the court going to do anything about it? Is she going to middle finger her? When these people are upset about specific things that have gone on from that table, like shooting the middle finger up at this court and laughing

and shouting, Ms. Holy shit. That's the guy that blew away kids. This is one of the scummiest. I love her one. What is the problem? I have no problem because I have a big stand. All right, so let's talk about from my lens of being an attorney. You know who sits at those tables with those type of criminals?

I'm not knocking the profession generally, but it attracts the farthest left. I mean, look at this fucking table. I mean, look at this table. How do you decide that by looking? That guy looks like a stone-cold Republican to me right there. Dude standing up? All right, well, maybe everyone but him. What about the dude in the glasses?

He's got the slick back hair. He's looking nice. This guy? Yeah. I mean, nah. It's a skinny tie for a republican it's just like the the thing is before you say that yeah you know you know who i fuck with in this picture is these two motherfuckers yo dude you know what i'm saying did you see the security guard look at this dude that dude right there i don't know if you see the security guard? Look at this dude. That dude right there was killing me.

I don't know if he's a security guard, but you know. Dude, I love watching like the bailiffs and like the sheriffs in these cases just mean-mugging these motherfuckers. How dare you say that shit? Exactly. You know they got the judges back right there. They're ready for action. I feel safe around that guy. That guy's on the ball, right?

You're sitting here with a school shooter. This kid's a sociopathic psycho. That dude, no shooting's happening. Unless they have to. I could imagine. I've been in front of some really interesting judges with very unique personalities where you would think at any given moment you can say something. You can drop. But you don't act that way.

It's unprofessional. I'm with you. I thought that's terrible. Was she removed from the case for doing that? I don't know. They were, like, shuffling people in and out. But I guess the main, if you want to call him, the big wig public defender, you know, with that enormous salary of his, he eventually came in and actually interjected because it was this attorney

who's the one I was telling you. The Republican. Yeah, the Republican public defender. He at one point came in and said during the witness impact, you know, what if it was your kids? And he goes, Your Honor, what if it was your kids? And she lost her shit. And at this point, her tolerance level was zero, and I get it.

Good for her. Fuck this kid. But anyway, the big wig guy, African-American guy, came in from the back of the gallery where traditionally you'll have the family members. And in this case, it was family members and other people. But he came up and said, Your Honor, who he must have a relationship with based upon the dialogue. He was like, What are you doing? You know, type of deal. But again, this is an open court i think i don't think they had um you know told the court reporter

either off the record or that they excused uh well at this point you know it doesn't really matter but anyway he goes and like says yeah your honor like as if he just hung out with her like what are you doing and she's like you know what sit back down your staff is so unprofessional and to her credit she was spot the fuck on so you now have two examples well three if you can alex jones of judges who kind of i mean they're like different evolutions of attractive but they're all like white women with dark hair and and they all did a really good job so i don't you know i don't know what that means you know for for that means for any of this. But anyway.

Yeah, I have no idea where you're going with that. No, I don't know either. Fair point. But speaking of interesting judges, you just did a case in front of the notorious Janice Brinkley, no? Yeah, yeah, yep. Tell people who she is. Who I met or what the accusations are? No, no, no, no.

Who Janice Brinkley is. So Janice Brinkley is a judge that was involved in Meek Mill's probation. She was the judge that was involved in that. The allegation is that, yeah, she was the judge in Meek Mill getting that 10-year sentence for probation violation. And then getting thrown in over and over again. Yeah, so I tried a case in front of her. She's now in civil. I don't know how long she's going to be in civil.

She might go back to criminal. I have no idea. Hopefully not. Yeah, I've never seen her in criminal court. I'm not a criminal attorney. I can't weigh in on any of that. But I was in front of her. It was an easy trial.

It went in smoothly. What was the trial? I'm not touching that. But it was a motor vehicle accident. Motor vehicle accident. It was a civil case. But the allegations against her, because every judge I get a trial with, I research immediately. I try to look up political ideology.

I try to look up significant opinions, if any, that they have. I ask people. I ask around. So the first step of my analysis is Google search. And I, honest to God, did not know Janice Brinkley. I had not heard the name, didn't know who she was. Googled her immediately. It comes up with just...

My podcast with Brian McMonagle? I didn't know. I didn't have... Do you have Brian McMonagle on? Son of a bitch, you haven't seen that? Oh. You of all people actually should see it. You should do one.

I will watch it. I didn't watch it. Yeah, he was in here. Yeah. He put her in her fucking place, man. Did he really? Yeah, dude. He came in and well i got taken

care of that yeah well um i never met brian but i did um uh meet in law school fortunata perry who obviously worked yes so fortunata is really great trial attorney um he actually said some shit to me within a 20 minute window uh during a spring elective in law school with former Judge Panepinto out of Corder Common Police, Philadelphia County. So I met Fortunato, and he said some stuff to me. I won't say out loud or even tell him what he said that made me, that I use now to this day. I still use the same shit he said.

But I will tell you one thing he said before I go too far off track. A lot of lawyers come in and say, oh, thank you so much. Thank you for your time. Thank you. To the jury. To the jury. Thank you for coming. He looks at me and goes, who the fuck cares?

He's like, why the fuck do they care about you thanking them? They've got to sit here and listen to your dumb ass for a week, three days. You don't fucking thank them. He's like, tell them what the case is about. Don't waste a breath of your time thanking these people who give two shits about you. And to this day, I don't do it. And you see the same, it doesn't matter. They have to be there.

They get paid nothing. It's funny. You don't even get paid. They get this little stipend. It doesn't even pay for an hour of parking in Philly. It's like, what the fuck? These people are fucked. Well, they get their parking validated, but still.

No, they don't. They don't get the parking. They don't get their parking validated. They don't get it validated for being on a jury? In Philadelphia? Oh, that's a baby bag bullshit right there. You know what I did? I threw mine in the fucking trash and never cashed it. But anyway, so yeah, the trial you're talking about, the accusation is, and it's an accusation

I don't support either side. It doesn't fucking really affect me, and I'm not making any legal opinions about the accusation or the defense of Brinkley, but the accusation is that she sentences Meek Mill to prison time for

probation violation based upon the fact that she actually went to one of the it was either a soup kitchen or some sort of charitable organization where Meek Mill was supposed to appear in person and actually spend a few hours there as a part of his probation. She went, didn't tell anyone she was going, didn't see him, dragged him into court. Evidently, this is all allegation, and then sentenced him. After that, now Meek Mill's team, I think there's a pending lawsuit.

I'm not sure. There's at very least an ethics complaint. Apparently, this judge went to his manager and told the manager that there's two things that he needs to do for her to basically alter the sentence. And it was, number one, he had to drop her name in a hit song. And two, Meek Mill had to drop his record label from what I understand has been his record label since he's become Meek Mill and sign with her brother-in-law's record label. That's the accusation. She and her team deny it vehemently.

They say no, no, no, no. There was another one that she asked for an autograph for people and he was like, fuck you. I never heard that. Yeah, not one I think Brian was trying to say no to, but that was another. Right. But that was another. Right. But that was the accusation. Again, I have no idea where that stands, but I was in front of her. And, you know, listen, we didn't talk about it, obviously.

That was not ever like a topic of conversation. You didn't walk up and say, how about that meat milk? No, but it was kind of cool I mean in the sense that not that she had to deal with the accusations and not that Meek Mill had to allege this stuff but it was kind of cool to see a judge that was that high profile may never see

a judge that high profile ever again in my life and the funniest part about the whole thing was I didn't know who it was until I googled her name you know yeah there was a lot going on in that case but the way they kept i don't know i don't want to comment specifically on that soup kitchen story because if i was aware of that one i don't remember it so i'd have to go and look through it but there was all kinds of little violations here and there that had to do mostly with like going on the road to tour that she would that she would bring him in on and this was over a long period of time and he was never he did prison time at the beginning when he was like 18 he was never

supposed to like there was like a deal that all the other guys involved none of them did prison time and i don't and i might even be wrong about this but i'm not sure that she was the judge who did the sentence which is you know that's technically in her defense there for sure i mean i i believe it was a different judge and then she was reassigned to the case so she oversaw and if i'm wrong about that i'm sorry but she at least oversaw the probation and kept on causing a problem and then she threw it she went to throw him in jail for like two to four for like okay ten but yeah no no i'm saying like she went to throw him in jail for like two to four. I thought it was ten, but yeah, two to four. No, no, I'm saying like she went to actually put him in prison for like two to four for like the latest violation or whatever after these purported things.

And, you know, they went, they had to, he got out because of the support he had. And as Brian put it, if his name was, you know tom smith sadly he'd he'd just be getting out now yeah you know after the sentence was over which is which is not to say that it's in any way okay it's just to say like that's how fucked up some of the system is because they put these what they call tails on people that you know especially if you're like a rapper on on the road and making it big and stuff like that like in that case it's on steroids it's like you can't this is not gonna work out and like his probation officer and the da were writing to the court saying no we're good you don't need to put it like we don't care at all

like he's doing he's doing great like don't worry about it like i don't care if he was around weed or something like all right do a hearing call it a day, no, no, no, we're putting him in prison. Scumshit. I don't know how much I, when I did my limited research, because obviously I was preparing for a trial, so I wasn't super focused on Judge Brinkley. So, you know, from what I saw, it was all in connection with the probation violation of not actually participating in the community service hours. It may have also been weed. I don't know. I also heard –

There were a bunch of things. Yeah, and I also heard – I remember something. They had a firearm on them. There was all shit that I heard. There was no firearm. I don't believe so. I'm not saying any of this shit. I'm not saying that any of this is true, but I remember reading at least articles about all these different things.

But at the end of the day, I kind of got the impression, forget about legal rulings, forget about the verdict in my case, which I'll never tell you. But I got the impression that— We'll Google it. I don't know if you can. It wasn't that high profile. No fear of the spirit commercials in the courtroom? No, no. I never really got the impression that she was, I guess, more interested in that Meek Mill, that fame, that type of element.

It was a pretty normal trial. And I've been in front of judges who have had massive fucking egos. I mean massive egos. Someone in a robe called Your Honor has an ego? Yeah. Well, listen. I know what you mean. I get what you're saying.

But you'd be surprised how much humility you find with with these robed guys and girls and whatever some of them for sure yeah yeah but uh i i did not get the impression at all uh from uh this particular judge that that that that was she was i guess egotistical um you know i i you know she was there for the litigants, and like I said, listen, I'll even allude to the fact that it didn't necessarily go my way, the trial, but I never got the impression that she had an ego. Was it a bench trial? No. Jury trial. Jury trial.

Okay. We did eight. Is that a thing in civil? You do eight? Well, it depends what jurisdiction you're in. Interesting. I didn't even know that. Yeah, of course. Yeah. We did eight. Is that a thing in civil? You do eight? Well, it depends what jurisdiction you're in. Interesting. I didn't even know that. Yeah, of course.

Yeah. But anyway, so at the end of the day, it was just fucking crazy. And who do I tap on the shoulder to tell about my crazy shit in the legal world? It was my dad. And he's like, who? He has no fucking idea. What do you mean, Mike? Who's Meek Mill?

Mikey. I call you Mikey at work. Yeah. No. Oh, come on. Did you read my review to him? Does he know about the review? Yeah, it's framed in my house.

Oh, it's framed in your house. Remy framed your review. I wish I spent more time on it. I spent like seven minutes. Well, if it makes you feel better, she didn't get the whole review on the frame. She didn't measure. If it makes you feel better. It's cut off?

Yeah, it's cut off. I'll show you later. It's cut off at the bottom. I got to find that. I'm going to have to find it. I asked a couple of friends to get me reviews. What's it? Spear Greenfield? What do you mean, the website?

No, the business. Well, are you trying to get on the website? Oh, Spear Greenfield, I think, yeah, right now. Google review? Yeah. I remember this. I put the picture of you from episode 39 in there, too. That was a good touch.

Yeah, the guy, our in-house marketing guy at the time thought he came in after you posted it. And he sat down with me. He's like, dude, do you have someone who's legitimately, he used the word trolling you. And I was like, what are you talking about? He's like, we saw the post, came through Google business Reviews, and it seems like this person is trolling you. I don't think you know him, but let me just tell you his name is Julian Dory. And I was like, no, not only do I already – I've already seen the post. I was like, let's not report that one.

You don't have a choice on that, though. It's got me no business at all. It's got you no business. That shit has some likes on it. Now, why can't I find it? I feel like that's a fucking... We got to scroll through it. I'll show you later.

What do you mean you'll show me later? It was like... I had asked him... Here we go. I asked a couple of friends to write a couple of nice reviews. I was a new lawyer and I wanted some reviews. And then this shit came. I was like, say less, fam.

I'm trying to find it. It would have been like, nice lawyer. Period. I like Mike. So I put I like Mike I put this picture in there too

right there at the bottom remember this bad boy that was from that was from episode 39 so we put a good touch I'll put this in the corner screen for people oh shit

do I gotta scroll through this again hold on I gotta scroll down and find it this was like a year ago I love how the review from the owner. It's like, you're a mix of humor. I didn't fucking write that shit.

Barry wrote that. Who the fuck is Barry? He was actually a contractor. He wasn't even our in-house marketing guy. What? Do you see it? I might have just passed it. Let me know when you see it.

A lot of five-star reviews, folks. There are a lot of five-star reviews. Oh, here we go. All right, here we go. See, it's got likes on it, too. I love that. How many likes? Two.

There you go. It starts with, I'm not a religious man. All right, here we go. Wait, why does it keep... All right, here we go. The review. I'm not a religious man. Truthfully, I don't know what to think about

what's going on up there. However, I do believe that a higher power exists. And that higher power's name is Michael G. Spear. Many lawyers talk. Mike Spear is an extremely intimidating heavy-footed, 6'4", 315-pound frame walk. Never before has our nation seen one lawyer take over

a courtroom from the moment they placed their Starbucks iced caramel macchiato with almond milk on the plaintiff's table? Word on the street is that many judges even refer to Mike in the courtroom as your honor Whether it's out of fear respect or both doesn't matter Mike Spears the king of the people's court and a god in front of any jury if you need to win like your life depends On it and you don't hire him you should go ahead and sue yourself for damages i don't well hold on i don't have a boss but yeah your dad i mean yeah my papa yeah i wish i like that no no it was this guy he was a he was like a kind of a dorky guy and he he comes in and he goes, I think someone's trolling me.

And I'm like, who was the post? He goes, oh, it was long. It was Julian Dory. I'm like, oh, God. God damn it. And my girlfriend framed it. But the frame is this big. It doesn't make sense.

Is the picture in the frame, too? No. Wait, you need to get the picture? Come on. You got to get the picture. That picture is legendary. That's one of my favorite screenshots from this studio ever taken. That's why I hate doing that.

Look at that. Every time I go in there, he's like, Look at that. I won't reveal trade secrets, but. Look at how good that is. That is good. The fucking, the finger is pointed directly. Let me just tell you, that wasn't organic.

Can you redo that real quick? That wasn't, that wasn't, it was. That was in the moment. Can you redo that? Like, can you do that better? I don't think so. I didn't think so. Was that the picture

for when you had the... The tracksuit makes it so much better. He, like, turned to it and he's like... He was like, Andrew Cuomo is a rapist! Anyway. But, yo,

before I get you out of here, you talked about it earlier, so I'll... I'll throw you a bone here and let you break it down. But what's the dealio? Is this going to be Trump-DeSantis on the Republican side for 2024, or are they going to red carpet Trump to the nomination? I don't know.

I really don't know. Ron DeSantimonious is what they're going with, which is not great. I don't know. I mean, listen, my whole thing, and I tell some of the more conservative friends that aren't in this room, well, I don't think DeSantis is electable on a national level. I just don't. Not yet, at least. Why do you say that?

Well, I think there's been, for a few years now, it could be very pointed or targeted type of satire. I don't know. But, you know, they look at Florida as the wild, wild west now. And a unique area with its, well, hold on. I don't know. 1.6 million votes. Yeah. It always has been.

Listen, what he did may never happen again in Florida. And what's even more impressive is most voters probably also accept the fact that he would not be their governor. You know? Or excuse me, he would not be – he would be running for president. I apologize. So they knew he wasn't actually going to be there for a full term. Or at least it was a possibility. Possibility.

And he was actually asked during the debate, you know, tell the Florida people, whatever his name is, I don't know, came from New York, he retired, went to Florida, ran for politics, I don't remember his name. The guy ran against DeSantis. Oh, Charlie Crist? I'm making the whole first part up. But, yeah, Charlie Crist is a Democrat.

So he even said during the debate he goes he goes tell the people of florida that you will advocate for them in this position for your full term i think he didn't answer but with that aside i don't know that he's electable on national level um but i'm also i have concerns about Trump too. I think the most likely scenario at this point is you're going to have one more year. Well, it might depend, but I think you're going to have one more year of Trump. I think they're going to push him. DeSantis may run as vice because at the end of the day, it's one term. So you're dealing, you'll have two, which is traditionally what you'll see is you'll have two Democratic terms back to back. I think the Republicans kind of hedge and say, you know what, let's see what this Trump thing gets us.

If we win, great. We just shut Biden down to one term, just like we got shut out with the Trump presidency. And then we'll recycle next year with Ron DeSantis running as our candidate and potentially have him for another eight years. So I think that is what's going to happen. I don't think Ron DeSantis will actually be a player in the primaries. I think it's going to be Trump. Who the fuck else would run? I think you may have one of the most narrow Republican primaries that you've ever seen.

Yeah, I just don't,'t you know that midterm the fact of the matter is there was so much to go off of just like even the percentage play which is that anytime you have a party take power in the executive branch with at least one of the branches behind them at the midterm we've always seen a reset that's what it's been you saw it with you saw it when clinton came into office that second term was it the contract with america or whatever you saw it when the only time you didn't see it was the one right after 9-11 when bush which in hindsight would have been nice to see a little blue wave there with him but there every other election the midterm obama lost what like 63 seats or some shit like that?

Lost a lot of seats. Trump lost I think like 65 seats too, something like that. So when you see such a light change, I mean the Republicans did take control of the House, but they didn't take control of the Senate. And yet there was so much quote-unquote momentum headed their way with people pissed off about COVID, the economy, and everything. You know, that's—I don't know how that's going to play. I mean, I would have thought that that was kind of like the end of Trump, because he was the main player, like the main kingmaker, and then you saw DeSantis.

I mean, you want to talk about a red wave in Florida? Holy shit, man. What, he went like 60 to 40 or something? Yeah, I mean, I don't know if there's any cultural motivation for you to put DeSantis up as your guy. I don't know if we've had. None of them are my guy. I don't know if we've had. That's fair. Who is your guy? I don't have a guy.

No. That's what makes Julian, Julian. You came up with a whole Snapchat story the other day? Sorry. Remember when we were in New York and bus three and my money stole? Oh, shit. In like 2016, yeah. Turn that mic to Drake. Sorry. We were playing like Impractical Jokers

and we kept going up to people and asking them if they would vote for Trump and shit. That was so... Dude, that came up on my Snapchat story. It was like six years ago. Do you remember that? Yeah, we ran into... We were walking the streets

and we were doing... We were playing Impractical Jokers. We were like, you have to do this and if you couldn't do it, you had to buy the beer at the next bar.

We were bar hopping. That was a weekend. It was a Snapchat of Connor Stahl and he was literally walking over to these people and he was like, who y'all voting for?

You voting for Trump? Like, you know what I'm gonna do? We were like, annoying the shit out everybody was like dude get away from me i remember we get on like the trump clinton i bring i yeah it was it was there it was it was like march 2nd or march 3rd like that weekend in 2016 i remember that shit and it was like right after scalia died like a few weeks later and you i bring you up to north jersey which is already like a cultural shock and everything and we go to get on the most crowded train to go into the city there's a

fish concert that weekend too there was it was we did not go for the record but we go to get on we got on like the fucking seven o'clock train 6 30 train to take in like 20 minutes to go in you get on the train and you like plop down in the seat it gets like kind of quiet but there's a million people on this train and you're like oh shit and like the whole train looks at you and i'm like what and you're like khakis i forgot my new you go i forgot my new york values because you were a big fucking ted cruz yeah ted cruz just said those new york values and and the whole place is like oh oh, fuck you. I'm like, ah, god damn it. But then I did make you walk like

five miles. I kept telling you it was a mile away. That was intense. And Tibbs. You were on second and 83rd, right? And we walked from Penn Station. And he was in boots. Dude, I can't, dude. I couldn't wait, dude. We walked. Well, I told him it was

a mile long and every mile he'd be like, how much farther? I'd be like, dude. We walked. Well, I told him it was a mile long, and every mile he'd be like, how much farther? I'd be like, yeah, another mile. I was like, dude, I was so excited. I was so excited to get to his place, and I was like, dude, I'm going to plop. We got to. I don't want to overtake. I was going to plop down on the couch, and I almost tripped in the front door when I walked in. I almost fell out the fucking window in the back.

I was like, dude, I'm like, what the fuck? I'm like, what is this shit? I'm like, what the fuck? Put my Timberland down. Everyone's like, oh, shit, I'll move over. Your Timberlands were broken. They had holes in them. You were like three and a half bills in the time, too.

The whole way. I had like five women be like, oh, oh, oh, you just asked me to move over. Julie's up their ass with his fucking Phillies Eagles jacket. I was like, sorry, ladies. All right. We got to go have a night. This was great, as always. Nice to have the fucking crew in here.

I like this. It's a good vibe. Tell us in the comments what you thought of that. But Michael, it was always a pleasure. Thanks, Jules. We will do this again at some point, and you can give me every thought in the world. I'll always enjoy it. It's always fun.

Everybody else, thanks for coming. Shout out to Swan. Is he up in Alaska? I talked to him two days ago. I was playing video games, and he lives in Alaska, so he's four hours behind. What a wild card. So I'm drunk as shit, and I'm just on video games at like 3 in the morning, and he was talking to Hartman, and he he was telling some story and he said trendify

and i was like wait what i was like dory and he's like yeah dude i watch it all the time i love it he was like dude make sure next time you see dory make sure you tell him he's got fans shout outs i'd fucking swan what the ultimate wild card great guys pour one out for swan here's the swan here's the swan here's the swan baby everybody else we're gonna go have a night great having you boys in here everybody else you know what it is give it a thought get back to me peace