Julian Dorey Podcast - 🤔 [VIDEO] - Elon Musk's Biggest Enemy | Joey Deef • #132

Episode Date: December 31, 2022

(***TIMESTAMPS in Description Below) ~ Joey Deef is a writer, actor, comedian, and New Yorker. He recently starred in a comedy play he co-wrote (with Matt Ferrara) called “Hey, That’s My Wife!” at the world-renowned Edinburgh Fringe Festival in Edinburgh, Scotland this past August. ****TIMESTAMPS**** 0:00 - Joe’s viral clip, Crime in NY down 10:15 - Stanford banned words; Woke & Intention 22:55 - Kanye’s legacy ruined 28:49 - Kanye & Autism 41:38 - Antisemitism rise after Kanye’s first tweet 48:27 - Free Speech 51:41 - What is Elon doing? 1:04:31 - Freedom of Speech vs Freedom of Reach; Banning & Precedent 1:12:23 - Trump’s Twitter Ban portion of Twitter Files 1:19:24 - Change & Cynicism; The Culture “Wars” are exhausting 1:27:12 - Joe on the street appearance 1:34:37 - Twitter Files Finally heating up with FBI revelation 1:40:09 - Domestic Intel Ops 1:47:23 - SBF out on bail; FTX Theories 1:55:16 - The biggest concern for crypto 2:01:25 - Key takeaway from the Twitter Files 2:10:15 - No Pandemmies in 2023 please Intro Credits: “Runaway” (VEVO) NBC / SNL (2021) South Park (Comedy Central) Inside Edition (2022) ~ Get $150 Off The Eight Sleep Pod Pro Mattress / Mattress Cover (USING CODE: “TRENDIFIER”): https://eight-sleep.ioym.net/trendifier Julian's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/julianddorey ~ Music via Artlist.io Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Do I want to go onto Twitter and see swastikas? No, I don't. No, obviously not. It's a poor user experience. So start. Just to start. It's a pretty poor user experience. Just to start.

I mean, there's a... I got a list of a few other things, but... Joey Deef! We're in there, baby. Merry Christmas, my man. Merry Christmas. We're putting Christ back in Christmas, Julian. I already took him out on the mug today. All right, there you go.

Merry Christ. I already lost one. It's all right. How you been, bro? I'm good, dude. I'm good dude i'm good you know glad to be back for the holiday app you you were gone though for how long were you over there a month oh yeah oh overseas a month yeah i meant a trendifier but glad to be back in america too i mean shit yeah i was in uh i was in the uk for a month all What were you doing over there? We talked about it last time. We were doing a little performing of sorts.

We brought me and my buddy Matty Farrar. We brought our comedy play, Hey, That's My Wife, over there. Did the Edinburgh Fringe Festival. Great time. That's like the biggest one in the world, you were saying? Yes. Third biggest ticketed event after the World Cup and the Olympics. It was great.

3,000 shows a day the city of edinburgh's population almost doubles in size i think or like it at least doubles almost triples in size wow it was a fucking great time man great time and how many days almost like that how many days did you uh actually perform it so we got there August 1st. We had two days of rehearsal. And then on the 4th, so no, we got there the first three days. On the 4th, we performed until the 28th. 24 shows plus three rehearsals. Holy shit, that's a lot.

And then stand-up at night. We would do that show, the play, once a day. And then we started getting booked on stand-up spots because we met, like, Austin, L.A. Comics, comics just from all over the world. So where do you even get the time to do that, though? What do you mean? Because you're doing a play every day,

so then you're just doing stand-up at night? Like, did you have a routine ready to go? I'll give you the play-by-play. I'll give you the play-by-play. So, um, we'd, well, I mean, we'd go out drinking until, like, 5 a.m every night so you got it the day started late the day started at like 1 or 2 p.m go into town go into edinburgh we stayed right outside the city you know go have a few cigarettes and a coffee you know get the day started strong

and then 4 p.m head over to the pub you know have a couple of drinks and then 5 o'clock 5.30 was our show do the show have a little dinner and then you go do some stand up and then we go out and get hammered again it was just that that sounds like a fucking day it was a great time

24 days in a row at the end I was in bad shape cheers sir this is four roses four roses but at the end, I was in bad shape. Cheers, sir. Cheers, bro. What did you bring us, by the way? This is Four Roses. Four Roses. Mm-hmm. This is a doer's household, but I like this. All right, let me see that rag, too.

Yeah, you take that rag. I'm going to mop that up a little bit. Yeah, I had a buddy of mine reach out to me on Instagram because I was over in Seaside before I came here. Sorry to hear that. Yeah, you know. In the off-season especially? Oh, God. But my buddy responded to my story and it made me think of him and he's a big four roses guy so i was like you

know what let me get this bottle in his honor you're such a vibe guy dude we're all about vibes catching the vibe all the time that's how you make every decision isn't it i think so yeah you gotta yeah i mean the gut the gut feeling is a pretty pretty reliable one right i think so so many people that's that's like some of the only advice i'll happily give when people are talking about like trying to decide on shit i'm like listen just you know what your gut's telling you you know what that is it's cliche for a reason yeah you know because it's fucking true yeah yeah how many times did you not follow your gut feeling and then everything got fucked up and you were just sitting there like so annoyed

like wishing you could just rewind yeah then you get over it you get confused by it too sometimes because you're like is my gut telling me that or am i telling my gut not to tell me that and that's just the human psyche yeah dude can you believe you have tim pool on your podcast right now i know isn't that incredible trend of fire baby i didn't plan the double beanie but yeah we got fucking the tim pool doppelganger that's it dude so we gotta talk about them twitter yeah we are dude yeah i just want to say of all things i think it's great i love that you had me back on really means a lot i love how you put it as like my shameless plug episode because it was a little bit i'll give that to you but it's funny

because i was like go i was like watching a bunch of clips the other day and i'm like dude it's so funny how like i'll be on your page and it'll be you like watch this cia agent talk about the time he killed osama bin laden with his own flaccid penis and then it's like some crazy story how this guy does all this sick shit and then like you're gonna get to like my clip and it's just like watch this semi-autistic kid talk about the new york city subway system and then it's just me in a frenzy like a train c train e train and qrw so i appreciate you having me that clip did seven figures i'm pretty sure i have to go look that was a good clip well that was joey politics baby it was joey politics joey

politics dude it was it was so perfectly flowed too it was one of the easiest edits i've ever had because you just kind of turn right to the screen and you're like so in bushwick brooklyn and got right and the land was like 24 seconds in. I'm like, oh, that's so easy. Well, dude, me and all my friends, just like for some reason, the fact that you put it with the other guys, that just kept hitting so hard. Me and my friends just kept watching. I'm like, I love the other guys' clips being put in. Well, that's what's funny. I'm picturing like when people are saying these things and my mind is going to places like trying to put myself there I'm picturing like without realizing it things I've seen and trying to like

relate it and plug and play so like with you when you were talking about that all I could picture was the fucking other guys showing up and I love that dude that's very I love it I like that a lot that's genius and that was the perfect that related perfect yeah it definitely worked and like it'll even be like you'd appreciate this because you're a writer and creative and all that but like i'll be taking like movies in my head that just had the same setting and like a similar vibe but a totally different context of whatever the story is being told is uh-huh and then i'll like repicture that movie like it's happening in this context right here. Yeah. You know, like that's a fun part about doing those things.

I do definitely. You know, they're a bitch to make. They take fucking forever, those clips. But it is fun like when you see like... There are very few things that you can be certain of in life. But you can always be sure the sun will rise each morning. You can bet your bottom dollar that you'll always need air to breathe and water to drink. And, of course, you can rest assured that with Public Mobile's 5G subscription phone plans,

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now ask your gmc dealer for details stories that aren't that come together into the story that just some fucking guy said in your podcast studio yeah and then on top of it the clips just crush so you're getting there definitely i mean that was that clip was that clip was great joey politics but it also unified a nice bipartisan crowd i had people i had people i knew that i was expecting to get annoyed with that be like hilarious and i'm like hey i'm just here to unite the people with julian one episode at a time well good job i do have to say though because i was asking about that and for context you were talking about like some of the crime in new york city because that's where you live yeah and there was no doubt that in the different cities around the country during the pandemic shit got bad but on a good note i was up in new york for about four days

last month and i was staying in bushwick and we were all over manhattan i was i walked everywhere day night whatever and it was significantly better oh yeah i think i saw like three homeless people the whole time i think i saw i only saw one rat it was on like saturday night at 4 a.m what's a saturday night that was it and he's out in the town it wasn't manh rat it was on like saturday night at 4 a.m what's a saturday night that was it and he's out in the town it wasn't manhattan it was brooklyn too but you know i i was definitely impressed with how much better it's gotten so if we're gonna play it right i gotta give adam some credit he's coming up some shit for sure eric you did it you did it son see eric he came around too now yeah i mean listen anything is better than Bill de Blasio.

So Eric already had the good tidings coming toward him. But that's good. I agree. It has gotten a lot better. It's kind of just back as a whole. If Bill de Blasio couldn't ruin that city, I'm not sure anyone can. Yeah. Like, he was the bar.

He was like, all right, New York might end. And then it didn't end. It never went end and then it you know it didn't end it never tried to but it didn't end and now i'm like you can't get worse than that new york is like a oh wow here i go with my cancellation again new york is a spaz who is incapable of committing suicide all right that's what i think. I think New York is like the guy who tries to hang himself and he didn't tie it tight. He just can't do it. That's New York. Because New York will never die. Unless a tsunami just wipes

it out. Which could happen with new Manhattan. Remember when we did that? Manhattan. Manhattan. God. I don't know. Who the fuck knows? There's no signs. I didn't see that. god is that what i gotta say to get bleeped again i don't know i don't know who the who the fuck knows there's no like signs i didn't see that well i just i just always refer back to

that article we read but that was also like that article was also just like hey this professor said we can do xyz but there's nothing that says like the town or the city said we're doing it so i don't know who knows yeah that's that seems sketch to me i had never heard of that before he brought it up yeah i'm just thinking like you put it perfectly i'm thinking of all the whole foods that are gonna be oh my god it's like it's like whole foods acai bowls um it's like sweet greens what was the word you were you were worried about getting canceled by again spaz spaz yeah beyon Beyonce had to take it out of her song. Lizzo too. Yeah.

Because it was like ableist. Yeah, I guess. I guess. I mean, people are transabled now. That's pretty sick. Have you seen the new list of... I forget exactly what they call it, so I want to get the name right. Let's pull this bad boy up.

Oh, yeah, yeah. Elimination of Harmful Language Initiative. Have you heard of this? No. Where's this at? It's at Stanford University. Stanford? The prison experiment people.

Okay. One of our greats in this country. But I have it up behind you. Should I look behind me? Yes. I'd like you to take that mic with you. I'd like you to see this in real time since you haven't seen this yet. But this is some sort of initiative that the university gave out the other day.

And it starts with different titles and different sections. And look at that first section right on cue. It's called Ableist. Now, if you wouldn't mind, let's start with the top line there can you just read for people left to right i love this is the funniest shit all right all right instead of using the word addict consider using person with a substance use disorder what's their logic the context context using first person language helps to not define people by just one of their characteristics i mean no fucking shit guys wait look at the third one all right instead of basket case consider using nervous context

originally referred to one who has lost all four limbs and therefore needed to be carried around in a basket i mean i guarantee you yeah in the 1720s no one knew no one knew that until they said no i did not know that until i just read that it's completely unaware that's that's good committed suicide died to be now died by suicide i guess we're getting in some into yeah you lose me on stuff like this because you're just saying the same you're just being a complete pain in the ass as to how to say it's stupid joe i'm not allowed to say crazy surprising wild crazies crazies they've been trying to do that one i still use it though i use it we're taking the

word back oh yeah it's very clickable on youtube i'm now using it all right well i mean like like crippled i get that like that that's like one that people have said not to say for like since like 2012 we've been on you kidding me we've been on that shit dumb i mean dumb isn't offensive non-vocal non-verbal oh you can't say handy no you know what you know you should call someone instead of dumb according to this you call them a pussy because come on you can't say handicapped so if they go to give me a ticket for using my handicapped air freshener and parking in the handicapped spot if the cop says to me this is handicapped parking you're not allowed

i now have the moral authority to tell him that you're not allowed to say that, and therefore I should not be given a ticket. Oh, that would make his day. Right. He'd just take out his nightstick, and then he'd make you handicapped. Break your legs. Well, I mean... You can't say lame.

I mean, dude, I hate the context of using person-first language helps to not define people. I hate that, because it's like like just because you say someone is dumb, it's not like you're saying that's their only characteristic. We're not allowed to say tone deaf. Yeah, like tone deaf, spaz. Walk-in. You're not allowed to say walk-in. So are we allowed to say walk-on, like a walk-on quarterback?

Oh, like we don't allow walk-ins. That's offensive because some people might not walk in. Wait till we get to, I'll say gray beard and senile. That's not fair. Senile? You can't say senile? They did that ever since Joey B's been in office. They threw that one in there.

You can't say the Philippine Islands. You have to say the Philippines of the Republic of the Philippines. I'm never going to remember that. I mean, dude, I could call my boy Marty Vy vibes right now who's filipino vibes i bet you he would not even say a word about this oh yeah i'll call up mitch and mike they've been on this podcast call them off their ass off at this culturally appropriative this is the next section okay we are not allowed to use the word brave because this term perpetuates the stereotype of, quote, noble, courageous, savage, unquote, equating indigenous... Dude.

Dude, you can't say chief. You can't say chief. It equates the indigenous male as being less than a man. That's crazy, bro. Oh, you can't say crazy. Can't say guru. I like how you can't say crazy. Can't say guru. I like how you can't say, wait, go back up.

What was the one I just pointed? Chief. Calling a non-Indigenous person chief trivializes both the hereditary and elected chiefs in Indigenous communities. I mean, dude, like, it's not that deep. On the warpath? Calling an indigenous person chief is a slur, but they're saying not to call a non-indigenous person a chief because it takes away from the chief's title. That doesn't make sense. So I don't call the chief chief? What is this?

Joe, what? I'll tell you what it is. It's the first word at the top of this section, or the other section we were just looking at. It's, I don't understand. Like, when i see stuff like this it's coming out of fucking stanford yeah all right now minus sam bankman freed's parents who are professors there unfortunately we'll get there don't worry i can't wait i can't wait minus them this is like a

prestigious university this is where like the smartest people go yeah and they're they're they're canceling the english language and my big problem with this in all seriousness and my big problem with like the crazy woke stuff is that it implies it in it requires you to infer and believe intention and you can never believe good intention it's only bad yeah exactly it's it's it's like it's kind of a bad it's kind of goes against what i believe in living it's like that's such a paranoid way to live like i i for one a person who's like i trust people until they prove otherwise something like this is it's like no be distrustful towards everyone or don't trust anyone because they're they're trying to hurt you it's a ballsy thing to say right there i don't like it we're not allowed to say ballsy anymore right on that point

fire fire man fire men it instead consider using firefighters it lumps a group of people using uh freshman gentleman yeah you have to say everyone freshman gentleman dude i mean my college didn't allow for the freshman stuff either it was always first year second year i mean my favorite thing is we're not allowed to say hey guys anymore we have to say folks people wherever uh that's that's one like in my real world experience i always have i'm always like i'm always like fuck like what saying hey guys yeah like I'll just like like I'll just be in Bushwick at a coffee house and you know I go up

to the counter and it's you know to um huh I just kind of put myself in a this is gonna be hard how do I describe the people at the counter I don't know I was gonna say two um very kind very kind blue haired blue haired people.

And then I'll be like, oh, thanks a lot, guys. And then I'm like, oh, oh, oh, oh, I'm sorry. The coffee's great. That's a sick thing that you got to think that. But I just, dude, you're not allowed to say ladies. You're not allowed to say mailman. You're not allowed to say, wait, does that say you're not allowed to say he? You're not allowed to say he, person's name, or they, unless you know the-

Well, because it's saying, unless you know their pronoun is he. Joe, I don't know if you're a dude, though. Oh, I just fucked that up because I called you dude and man in the same sentence. I'm not a man. Tim Pool ain't no man oh my god manpower she she male tranny i mean transgendered you guys well i mean hold on i mean some of those yeah people don't say yeah yeah that's that's fine but it's like this this one's weird you can't say transgendered, but you can say transgender. So they're saying no E-D on the end of that word.

I don't get that. So you could do one of these. You know, you're a transgender person. You could kind of like swallow the D. I don't know, stuff like that. I feel like it's just like when my mom will say a word wrong every now and then. I feel like she'd just be like, oh, they're transgendered. And it's like, oh, they're transgender.

And it's like, mom, you can't say transgendered. You kidding me? It's just... Trying to lose your job? I mean, we are laughing because this shit is funny. And they did include on here, by the way. Can't use abort. Did you see that?

Yeah, you can't use it. Cancel and end instead. You can't use abort. You can't use child prostitute. You have to say child who has been trafficked. So you can call a crime a crime which that would be a crime you're talking about a traffic minor right there they want you to actually have to say how many syllables is this one two three four five six seven that one is four they want you to go from four to seven or four it just complicates things it's just like instead of saying a single word

It's like say this this statement is that I like how American. Oh, yeah. Yeah, they could they caught a lot of shit for that You can say US citizen but not American Well, what about the TV show the Americans? I mean that shows title. They should take it off AMC plus. No it is It's it's wrong it's completely wrong wow they were they did release a statement the chief information officer of the school released a statement saying wonder how much that guy gets paid to do this shit sorry to interrupt but we have particularly heard concerns about the guy's treatment of the term american we understand and appreciate those concerns see whenever someone writes a sentence like that can i just talk to all my pr people out here if you are in the pr business and you write

out a sentence that says something like we understand and appreciate those concerns take a lap and quit your job that no person in any right mind who's not standing in front of some dude in a black robe in a courtroom would ever fucking say that nor does a person who's ever said that at any point in time actually understand and appreciate those concerns really they're just trying to get the fuck out from under this yeah i say that all the time and i don't care about the concerns so i totally all right we're back sorry Sorry about that, man. No worries.

It's just fucking crying at the next. We're just having fun. The next one you look at is even funnier. But yeah, I think we finished up this statement as far as like, so they're basically they're backtracking. The one thing we didn't say that we should say is to be very clear, not only is the use of the term American not banned at Stanford, it is absolutely welcomed. I'm going to check that on him. I want to make sure that it's actually welcomed out there. I want to see a bunch of kids from the Young Republicans Club singing

I'm Proud to Be an American in the quad, and we'll see how he does. Oh, my God. Yeah. You know, you see stuff like this and i honestly i while it is funny when it just keeps getting worse and worse past the point of satire yeah and you don't see you know a fuck ton of people in the youngest generation calling it out as satire you get worried yeah because it's like wait you realize like this is this is joke right this is totally fucked yeah yeah yeah i don't know dude i just think that every everyone is that word that's banned off the list i don't care which one you know which one um yeah it's so stupid dude this is why this is why i can

never pledge to like any type of political ideation you know like ideology because you're not getting my vote on that i know i know that's what i'm saying though and that's the problem with the political options we have we you can find something that is crazy and you will and it will just get crazier and then when you find that thing and you say okay so i must vote for the opposite then you find the thing that's on the opposite side then you just yeah then you just yeah exactly and you can't win you're exactly you're stuck in this cycle of like you you either are all with it or all without it and that is so fucked up and then the thing that really gives me faith is that we'll have our third option and it's like it's kanye west you know and it's like well i'll vote third party

you know it's like come on what all right i haven't talked about that really yet on the podcast what are you what did you make besides the obvious i mean dude i think it's i think it's it's like so beyond sad to just watch this guy just fucking blow it like like when it when it all first began like the first time any of it went down with like him and like the anti-semitism whatever i was like all right i don't i'd know i i haven't i haven't found myself to agree with him that's for sure but it's like all right this this will probably blow over i bet you like the context will be given he's gonna be fucked for a few days and we're probably all gonna shake our heads but i feel like this will get resolved and then it's just like every week it's just like like he would keep on getting help people

be like so when you said this you didn't mean he goes no that's exactly what i meant you're getting worse and worse and now now it's at a point dude where i'm just like i'm just i think it's sad it's just like dude first of all you're a dumbass like some of the shit he's saying it's just like dude in what universe did you even think that this would even be taken in like the slightest bit of just like discretion giving you know what I'm saying? It's like complete moron. He's just

tarnishing his legacy day by day. It's gone. His legacy's gone. It's gone, dude. It's gone. Look, it's really sad. And are we still gonna listen

to College Dropout? Absolutely. Yeah, we are. Absolutely. Because guess what? I still listen to I Believe I Can Fly. Dude, you took the words

out of my mouth. But I say throw away the key. He also dropped a new album in prison. I don't know if you saw. And it got pulled right away. It got pulled right because now it's new music. But we bump Michael Jackson.

I love Little Michael. I believe I Can Fly. You know what I mean? And that's just what it is. Music does transcend. I don't think new music from kanye will transcend no because he's gonna be a fucking jerk off and he's gonna like make all the new music like tailored towards like all this stuff he's gonna be like can i have alex jones on the hook they're telling you

he's gonna sample alex jones you know you want a person to point the fingers at you, you need a bad guy. Bad guy, bad guy, bad guy. I said I don't like Jews, but I'm back. It's like Kanye. Give it a rest, bud. I'll tell you this, though. The thing that had me fucked up with the new R. Kelly thing. That was good, Joe. The thing that had me fucked up with the new R. Kelly stuff is I went on YouTube to listen

and because it's just out of curiosity where did he record this? I don't know it's like when they release new Thug stuff he either recorded this obviously before he got put away

or they're doing the classic throwback of playing the beat over the phone and he's just rapping on the phone and then they're doing like the classic throwback of like playing the beat over the phone and he's just like rap it on the phone and then they're just paying some audio engineer like godly amounts of money to be like get make it sound like this was in the studio but the thing with r kelly was crazy dude is i went online to listen to it i didn't listen to that song i admit like the 19 minute song where apparently i heard like the one part and he's like i admit it i was with some ladies under age of age but that don't make me a pedophile like some shit like that and i was like damn damn son that shit really hard no no he did say that i listened to like some of the song

oh my god um but i was listening to other songs on the album and then i was going through the comments how bad one to ten dude it's so good people are just like hey say what you want to say man but this motherfucker the king of r&b because yo some of those songs were bangers dude i'm telling you oh my god i'm not i'm not gonna die on that hill just so everyone knows like i'll gladly like i'll go back on all i'll backpedal on all this if i need to in a year from now but i'm just saying in this moment i was like damn he really is good at what he does look he's he's a great singer, and that's the thing. Like, music does transcend. I was having this conversation with my friend Alessi,

who runs the fan page for the show. He does that whole thing all by himself. Does a great job. So, yeah, he crushes it, dude. Shout out, Alessi. Hell, yeah. He was like, you know, I feel like people aren't, they're going to care about him being like this and not like him,

but if he drops a banger like people are gonna bump it and i'm like i don't think so man because it it does it it has to do with was the music already out was already a part of your culture right right if you're bumping the new kanye now no yeah everything starts with kids right the kid yeah we're the we'll were there be some like i can't talk will there be like some rebel kids and shit like that who want to just like whatever the fuck it is they say like don't conform something like that right that then start playing this and trying to like make something out of it sure but like most normal kids won't do that so his new whatever new shit he does i mean look

never put it past kanye to find his way out of some sort of PR nightmare. Sure. I just think this is different. Well, this isn't a PR nightmare. That's the thing. Yeah. Like a PR nightmare is him saying, like, Taylor Swift, you could suck my dick on stage. Like an MTV award, whatever.

But, like, this is not. I don't think he said that, but okay. No, no, he didn't say that. Don't get me for liable. But, like, this isn't a PR nightmare. Like, this is bad he said that but okay no no he didn't say that uh don't don't get me for libel but but like this this isn't a pr nightmare like this is bad it's really bad i one of the things when we get the info wars clips before you even go forward the him on info wars i'm like dude come on my my mind on that one and this was the only one where it went to this, and I don't think it's true, but my mind at least went there. I'm like, did someone drug him?

Like, that was so bad. That one, like, they were all bad, to be clear. I mean, I watched the Drink Champs one in its entirety. I didn't watch it in its entirety, but that was awful. That was bad. This, when he, I can't even say some of the things that he said. When he started saying this shit on Alex Jones, I mean, I wanted to cry. I'm like, you know, this is someone I have been an enormous fan of for two decades. And people have heard me in the past, especially early listeners.

I talk about this guy. I had such admiration for him. And I will say this as a side point right now when it comes to the combination of audio and visual design in one considering the fact that outside of like beethoven and mozart who we can't hear you know you didn't really have audio until the 20th century anyway so there is a lack of human history there but if you are combining those two things there's a great argument to say this man is the most talented one to ever live as a combination of physical and audio design absolutely and you know he i i net and the shit he did never bothered me man and i'll tell you why and i can say this now because he said it the other day or i don't

know there was a clip going around it might have been from the other day it could have been from a while ago but it definitely was from the last two months where he said he was on one of his like spiels with the mask on and he said and i might be a little bit autistic oh yeah i saw that and if you watch how he said it like he he was like afraid to say it but then set it for like the effect to try to like downplay it and one of the things i've said privately to people for years i have been saying this for well over a decade to anyone who i talked to about kanye remember when he came out in like 2017 and said he's bipolar yeah 2018 yeah so he didn't even do that for a long time

but when he came out and said that people are like like, oh, that's what's wrong with him. And I'm like, I mean, I knew he was bipolar. That was pretty fucking obvious. But I'm like, how many bipolar people do you know? I know several. They're not like that. And so when the media would just run with this, like, oh, well, he's bipolar, to explain it, I'm like, how are you guys missing this? How are you missing the fact that he is the most textbook case of severe autism i have

ever seen he's an artist that i have ever seen on a public stage that big yeah he is look i do believe with great genius comes a price and people pay it in different ways absolutely and and it's it's a sick thing of the universe. And I always thought his price was, you know, because obviously, like, if Kanye had picked up a fucking calculus textbook when he was three and not a record. Yeah, he probably would have been fucking. He would have been Einstein. Yeah. Like, that's the type of brain you are dealing with. Yeah, for sure.

Like, people don't give him credit for that. And now they won't. And I don't blame him for not doing it, obviously. But, like, that's the of of brain you're dealing with and the the cost for him to me always was that he literally had severe autism he has no emotional awareness and he even said no social awareness none of that none of it no no natural empathy he has to feign empathy or get in touch with things the ways you know how he feels emotion when he makes music yeah when he goes to another planet literally yeah so like there were two things that stood out number one

someone made a comment on twitter after his documentary came out earlier in 2022 where they said if it's something along the lines of if you watch that documentary where it showed behind the scenes of his come up when his mom was alive and everything and people know a lot of people know his mom died tragically in 2007 he's never you know that profoundly affected him and everything but people are watching it and they're going when you want this tweet the person who tweeted this said when you watch this documentary it is so clear to see that donda knew that something was different about her kid and and that she was there to hold him just so barely in place as he was yeah and like the more i can't they said it so perfectly i'll find the tweet later but the moment that like she was gone there was no governor on there anymore

and no one to help him and all you know all these mistakes happen so that's that's one thing the second thing is that he yeah i never wanted to talk about that autistic thing because it's not my business to talk about people's health and and stuff like that and i actually almost hypocritically what i said a few minutes ago in some ways i do credit the media for never speculating on that because you would think they would yeah right and that's kind of a i'm sure and i'm sure there's stuff out there there's gotta be i'm sure there's stuff out there there's gotta be i'm sure there's the fucking indie music blogger who might have fucking talked about it and it got 100 views on his blog you know but but you don't see it on tmz no no vulture nothing yeah so like

you know i could always and i can't even remember the second i had something important with the second thing there i'll think of it later but i could always kind of be like, oh, that's just Kanye. When he did shit. And it never really bothered me. Like even the Taylor Swift thing, which was awful. Yeah. I was like 14 years old when that happened. And that's when I knew.

I'm like, oh. Yeah. Oh, he's severely autistic. Yeah. It was so, so clear. And so he's not somebody that he has no understanding of the harm of his words. What I don't want to do in saying this, though, right now, and I appreciate you letting me explain this. Oh, yeah. Because, you know, you can get canceled for saying one thing wrong here.

What I don't want to do is blame that on everything he's done. No, you can't. Because it is beyond that. Because he's also still, like can't because it is beyond you can't because he's also still like a fucking 40 something year old man too at the end of the day and it's it's well beyond and he has he has a lot of money and resources and people around him to know that you know this ain't it and and it's not like like he's been told six ways to Sunday by people who, not just the people yelling at him, people have tried to do it nicely. Yeah. Like, where they're trying to get him to understand it without actually, like, telling him.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he still. Coming down to his level a bit. Right. Because you could say, well, maybe part of it is he just doesn't, when someone tells him to do something, he thinks he should do the opposite, which can be a disorder there. Yeah, he feels like someone's ganging up on him or, like, coming at him. But this is not that, man. I mean, people have tried to help him.

And every time, like, I know what it was. The second thing in the Drink Champs thing that he said was, oh, man, now I forgot it again. There was something he said. Oh, it was last year. It was the, there were two Drink Champ interviews he did. Yeah was something he said. Oh. It was last year. It was, it was the, there were two drinks champ interviews he did. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The one he just did is the one that's been pulled. That's bad.

The other one was like when he's like talking about like Kris Jenner banging Drake and he's just like. And that was a great one. That was a year before. Almost exactly. Yeah. He said in there, I believe it was in that interview, but he said this somewhere and I'm pretty sure it was there. He was talking about, they were asking him about why he decided to leave when Rockefeller Records broke up, Dame Dash and Jay-Z, why he went with Jay-Z. jay-z and kanye gave one of the most self-aware honest and great answers i had ever heard him give at the time it wasn't what i would come to expect from him in this way but it was very

revealing and i don't know if he knew that it was but he said something to the effect of look you know i i love dame dash he's he's a great guy and like it wasn't because i didn't like dame or was like team j or whatever but he's like dame was too much like me he was tough he was abrasive he didn't really know how to deal with people he just kind of did his damn thing yeah jay-z knew how to get people to love him and he said i am not good with people i like he's literally saying yeah yeah i do not interact well and communicate well i do not have a good way of expressing myself and so even though this obviously failed completely right his intention in going to go with jay-z was because i he said i wanted to learn how to get

people to love me and to be likable yeah and so i remember seeing that because i'm like well it didn't work but you know whoa yeah he's admitting it yeah so he's a little more self-aware than you would think at the time he was yeah you want to know what did it for me with him and like the autism stuff what's that was on that one interview when he just started talking about the creation of the new york city subway system and naming exact dates and trains and engineers that's when i knew he was an autist yeah because dude is talking about like or different oreo flavors and circulation and stuff like that i'm like yeah autism is one of the most strange and tough things in a way i want to be careful i said i don't want to be misheard but you will find what i mean by that is brilliant on certain parts of the spectrum yeah these are

literally the smartest people who have ever lived oh dude without a doubt and there's something about that like obviously they wish they didn't have autism and i don't blame them yeah but there's something about that where you're like this is just like it's it's bizarre but you you learn through i'm not talking about kanye right now i'm talking about you're talking about like a savant like you yeah you learn who might know so much about sports or what's like they have their subject matter that they're just so dialed into it's amazing like that it's like it's. It's amazing. It's like, it's incredible. It's amazing. It's like being on a limitless pill for like a single subject. I don't mean to be like not understanding or anything like that

or empathetic towards it or trying to downplay it or whatever because obviously like it's not something you want to have in any way. There are just certain people on a certain part of the spectrum where that is the collision course that happens you know like even elon has asperger's which as it's been explained to me i'm not a doctor so don't quote me on this but like that's the most that's that's one of the most high functioning forms yeah yeah on the autism spectrum yeah but still you know it's like perhaps that explains like some of his inability at communication sometimes and feeling things out but you know with kanye it needs to be said like it breaks my heart because when he was saying the shit on

on drink champs and stuff it was breaking my heart it was it was going far all of it man i i just i totally identify with how you felt because i felt the same way it's just like he was one of my idols and like i really looked up to him in a lot of different aspects of just like you know being creative and just being like unforgiving and just fucking yeah just believing in yourself and now it's it's been tarnished like to no repair which is just – it's so unfortunate. It's sad, man. He was the only person I can think of. If I thought for a long time, maybe I could find another example.

But he's the only person over the long term at any point in my life – and, I mean, we're talking two decades with him – where I knew right away he was a textbook narcissist and never cared. No. I also – again, I'm like away he was a textbook narcissist and never cared. No. I also, again, I'm like, he's autistic. Like, he doesn't have emotional understanding of other people. Of course he has some narcissism. And my whole thing is, like, even if he definitely is autistic or not, the way I see it is, like, when you're creating at the grand scale that he is, I also, like, I don't blame him. Like, I would also not give a fuck either there's bigger fish to fry and like that's super selfish and like narcissistic but like that's just

like i i'd be the exact same way dude like when you're when your life is dedicated to creating such masterpieces and things that like some people can't even comprehend the idea of coming up with a concept like such it's just like what do you want what do you want me to do it's not good you know yeah it's definitely not good i know like but like i totally get it like i i i like to think i'm like if i was in the that spot i might be similar you know i just you know someone else tweeted out right after he put the initial tweet that started the whole defcon tweet there was there was somebody i don't know if they were officially with an organization or not but they it was a jewish person on twitter who put out something very foreboding and i might add

what looks to be correct too and i remember reading at the time and thinking to myself if this gets worse this guy might be right but he said something to the effect of this illustrates this kanye thing blowing up now illustrates the ultimate problem conundrum that that jewish people face with anti-semitism if we don't call it out we risk it's spreading and patterns of history repeating right right right if we do call it out where it's said that we are confirming if like if we aggressively go at it we're confirming exactly what they're saying that like there's this group of Jews who comes back and fights there whatever and he goes we can't win right and I remember reading that I'm like oh fuck this guys's you know because i'm not a jewish person i get to be like the third party like reading in on this

i'm like i think this guy's right yeah yeah what do you do because especially in our especially in our um the climate now you know like through the pandemic people getting like red pilled shit like that you know yeah so all you need is a large group to come out and start speaking out against it and then you get like that weird confirmation bias of like there it is there there's there's the there's the people who run things or whatever coming out to do like it's like people are so far gone with shit nowadays where like that's exactly all they need to just stay on their horse and be like yeah i agree with him i don't know what it's not good like the patterns of history are so weird with what happens to people in generations like we've talked about the fourth turning so much on

this podcast i'm not talking about that i'm talking about like personalities and how things happen to morph but i'd be lying if i told you that i haven't seen a massive pickup in what i would term as in certain cases absolutely anti-semitic and in other cases at least egregiously careless opinions that have started to form in the wake of him saying stuff like this i mean this is a man with a huge platform and again when they like i cringed when ari emmanuel wrote that piece in the Financial Times. And I understand why he did. He wrote a piece like a few days after it all really blew up saying everyone should cease to do business with Kanye West and whatever. And he's a Jewish guy. So, of course, he's offended by this. But like I'm like, all right, now this is taking it overboard. decide on their own and you won't have people be able to feed into conspiracies which is exactly what people did you heard kanye jump right on he says arey manuel now every time he says something publicly he brings that up right you know and and it's wrong and he's wrong but you have like i see it in comments on videos that go viral i will read through on just talking like when i'm in the feed

i will read through comments and like yeah when i'm in the feed i will read through comments and like yeah some of it like probably some foreign bot spamming absolutely sure yeah not all of it not all of it though yeah man it's not good dude like it's but it also it also bids such like a bigger question and like to such a bigger like philosophical conversation and it just has to and like to such a bigger like philosophical conversation and it just has to do with like such a big distrust in the public and it's just that's really what it is i mean you wanted to talk twitter files it's like writing on the wall people just have no trust in anything and they're just fucking putting themselves in aligning with the craziest shit

that maybe you know in a different time and place you would be in such a you'd have such better critical thinking skills to just be like this is not real yeah but nothing feels nothing like nothing feels real nowadays so it's so easy to just fucking subscribe to anything that's and people start you know i wish people's twitter feeds looked like mine did because of how i curate it i use twitter as a tool yeah i am very very very intentional with how i use twitter i'm only smirking because i'm just i'm the complete opposite and i'm a little ashamed but no your your twitter like because i your shit when you like stuff like comes in my feed it's always just like funny shit it's not like it's shit posting

and stuff it's not like you're not looking through i'm talking about the people who are all that's why i can't exactly like i don't subscribe to shit you know what i'm saying like the people people if they watch the beginning could try and pin me up for like the stanford but then if you keep listening and then we go in on like it's like i don't you can't i can't i can't find myself teaming up anywhere but what happens is different groups like people the last people you would think end up tacitly getting behind things and then maybe it gets aggressive and like they didn't even realize they're not aware like they didn't realize they went from here to here very quickly for sure and i see it with i don't know this the the the kanye one has just worried me because i that one i have seen move a lot and then you know they didn't

it didn't help when they tried to go at kairi the same way who i don't think he did anything i think kairi just like posted some movie that he watched 10 minutes of and was like oh cool yeah kairi's just on like his crazy spiritual type shit like and that was crazy i just yeah like what they did to him yeah yeah you know so then what happens then people feed into it more like oh what's going on here right and suddenly you start to see things get drawn where you know ideologies left right doesn't matter forget this issue they will they'll subscribe to the 10 main things and then when the extreme of that ideology decides to latch on to an 11th and that 11th thing is fucking crazy they will completely ignore the

fact that they have now latched on it too and put it in their head to convince themselves that, oh, because my people are doing this, this is good. It's the same, like, it's a very similar argument with, say, the censorship issue, which we're going to talk about. Oh, yeah. Tim Kuhl in the house. Like, there are people, luckily I'm seeing a lot more people

over the last year or so, start to talk about it from the left side. I was going to say, it's becoming more and more bipartisan. Thank God. Thank God. But we got a long way to go. Because the fact that that became a right-wing issue. It's crazy.

As far as the people tweeting about it incessantly and whatever, that was wild to me no yeah it's liberal just just to like just to subscribe to it and like be out at a fucking bar with people and say it you could be like ostracized i mean like where's your maga hat because you believe in free speech it's like whoa dude right and you you see i think it was actually who's the one guy who's usually like kind of a they're all grandstanders in congress but he's usually like a pretty famous grandstander what the is ted lu so ted lu he's like a congressman from california or hawaii or one of them something out there on the west he was tweeting like he was sending out a bunch of tweets a couple weeks ago that were like calling out elon or something but saying and as a member of government i have no interest in legislating this don't ask me to this is free speech he's allowed to do this if he wants so

he's ripping it right he was actually standing up for the free speech and i'm like that's what i'm fucking talking about and again that's no i only saw like two tweets so if there's other shit he put out that's not like that since tell me i'm looking i'm looking right now and he said age of consent what a stupid con what the hell julian this guy ain't it no i'm not i'm not saying i'm usually cringing at the shit he says on Twitter. No, but no. That's why I was like shocked. No, but like, yeah, you're sitting there and you're like, oh, hey, look at that.

Exactly. That's a, what a noble way of governing. Cheers. Cheers to that, my friend. Let me refill you. Sorry. Just a tiny bit. Oh, that's right.

Right. But still, it's like, you know, that, something like that needs to reset. Something like, okay, we're not going to be anti-Semitic should never. And it hasn't to be clear, but it should never even get whispered being anti anything like we say anti-Semitic right here. OK, that's one example. Being anti anything on someone's identity should not be around, because then, by the way, like that drags into a whole bunch of other things because if people start going out of their way to aggressively be against something then those people will aggressively it's opposite equal but opposite reaction and you know what will end up

happening shit that is totally out of control that then gets beyond what the initial argument is which the initial argument is which the initial argument is just can can you be free as a human being because you're a human being yes okay good that's all it should be yeah but we can't live in a world apparently where people can just do that yeah shit man that's why we drink it four roses, dude. Man. Well, yo, you want to talk about this Twitter file? Well, actually, before that, I don't know how much we've even talked about the Elon thing in here. We've talked about it a little bit, like, since he took over.

But what do you... Yeah, well, because he was, like, just starting the deal when I last came on. Right. Dude, it's crazy. What do you think so far? I don't know, dude. I mean, you and I, we talked a little bit off mic earlier.

It's, um... I don't know. It's kind of like... It's a little bit annoying lately, you know? And like we were saying, it's kind of like... I feel like...

That's perfect right there, my friend. I just kind of feel like everything he's doing right now is just feeding into all of the anti-Elon rhetoric you know like he's just kind of being like an immature little troll and I don't know for the bigger picture do I think this is good probably but as of now as of now there's first of all, as far as actual Twitter goes,

I haven't been on Twitter once since he's gotten it, and I've been like, oh, it's so much better. It feels the same. Today I got a notification if I want to sign up for Twitter Blue. That's the first thing that feels different since I've been on, honestly. Yeah, it doesn't feel a hell of a lot. It doesn't feel a hell of a lot different. Because it looks the same. Oh, some accounts

have the yellow check mark yeah i mean there's little things happening for sure but i know what you i know what you mean you know what i'm saying like i don't i haven't been sitting there and been like holy shit finally it's happened you know if anything i'm just seeing like all the stupid drama around his whole thing and i'm like dude stop stop acting like like a a little pompous like rich kid you know like you're just not helping your case how is this successful like if if i say joey deef wave your magic wand and two years from now twitter's in a great spot it's grown everybody well no one's ever all gonna to be happy, but you know, people aren't pitchforks in the street and you know, overall online, there's a better ability to have free speech and also have the public square to call out shit.

You don't, that's all it is, dude. All, all, all I want to see is I don't want to see anyone on the left and I don't want to see anyone on the right getting just like de-platformed because someone doesn't agree with what they got to say. I literally, like literally both, both, both waves. It's like, just let it rock. getting just like de-platformed because someone doesn't agree with what they gotta say i literally like literally both both both waves it's like just let it rock obviously if you're on there inciting a riot or saying we should blow up blah bitty blah you know public place it's like well obviously but sharing ideas sharing thoughts and opinions gotta keep it gotta keep it cool for everyone I agree let Stanford throw up their shit about all right yes and then let um

Jimmy in Kansas say like God ah ah stick with our Lord and Savior you're driving through God's country don't drive like hell you know what I'm saying I love that sign I saw it today classic but yeah But yeah, I mean, I think... But don't you also think that like the majority of just like... What a term to use. Regular people. Like just like the majority of just like everyday people don't like... Is that banned?

What? Are we allowed to say regular? Regular. I was going to almost say normal. I was going to say normal at first. Check the documents. Hold on. Hold on.

I got the documents, Joe. Don't speak again. We need to Check the documents. Hold on. Hold on. I got the documents, Joe. Don't speak again. We need to check the documents. We need confirmation. Let's type in regular. You're not allowed to say normal person. All right. But you can say regular person.

Yeah. Like, it doesn't say you can say regular person, but it uses regular in the context description. Yeah. But, like, the point i'm making is that like don't you think every like an everyday regular person feels the same way we do about that the majority the majority the majority obviously if you go to my old college's campus and like talk to some students they might say that we should ban everyone who doesn't have a shade of blue dyed into their hair but like right the But just like a regular guy off the street,

I feel like they want that same thing. My issue is that I've seen... Like, to me, I've said this before and I'll say it again, and now it actually has more reason than ever to be said. I'm a fan of Elon. I like the guy i'm entertained by him i i think he does amazing shit but i'm not a fan boy yeah yeah you're you're not going to disregard shit because you're yeah i agree you shouldn't i won't hesitate to say two

things number one i thought him purchasing this the opportunity that was then presented given where we are is one of the more could end up being one of the more important things that's happened in this century sure and number two i think since he took over on october 28th he has been an unmitigated disaster like a complete clusterfuck i i think that if if he means what he said and that is i view this as a question of free speech and we stand at the precipice here of you know some crazy shit and that needs to take precedent if you truly believe that and that is your number one driver here ironically and it shouldn't have to be this way, but it does. You need to give up your right to your own speech to make sure that everyone gets a right to speech.

Because the minute you start injecting your opinions into shit, you are going to give your dissidents everything they want. And the fact of the matter is, he looks like a, I mean, when you just look at his interactions on Twitter, he seems like right wing now. But it begs the question, do people need to be governed? Because you're talking about Elon, you're talking about Kanye. These are powerful people who don't have to answer to someone. Do people need, do people need that, in Kanye's case, Adanda? Do people need that one factor to be like, hey, buddy? It's a crazy thing to consider.

It's a big thing to consider, is a better way to put it. What a question. Because Elon's doing Elon right now. He doesn't answer to anyone. Same with the kanye stuff and so it's kind of just like all right well if you give any person this type of power these types of resources these types of knowledge whatever expertise are they gonna get up on there and do the same shit but if you give that if you take the power from them someone holds the power right

and then that person can become corrupt too that's that is the shit it's crazy bro it's a circle it's a big giant circle we might as well just go live in the forest that's why when people talk about like the government and whatever and how fucked up it is i'm like yeah of course it is and i i don't disagree there's no right answer i think it's i think it's the shit but i'm like do you want do you want no government and the private sector running everything right oh see how that turns out yeah that. That'll be worse. Yeah. It will be worse.

You think your health care is bad now? Now you don't have a vote. Now you don't have a vote in anything. You don't make enough money to vote. Only the people who make the – it's a real thing. So with him, seeing him just go fucking red-pilled fanboy, I mean I find myself myself i will read from some of the cringiest and i mean the cringiest left-wing accounts i will see them send tweets over this past month where i go even if it's like a little over the top mean or like a little too much i'm like can't argue with that

they're right like but isn't that interesting like he started banning people and then he went to ban jack for for jack the the kid jack sweeney who runs the elon jet account for running a page that relies on public information that is available on every other social platform because it has to do with but he tried using the doxing shit right that's the man and then and then he like he took it so far and then when he started saying like oh you can't when when they tried for six hours oh we're not gonna let you post backlinks to these when does fast grocery delivery through instacart matter most when your famous grainy mustard potato salad isn't so famous without the grainy mustard. When the barbecue's lit, but there's nothing to grill.

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Are you out of your mind? And then he was banning people for talking about where the Jack Sweeney links were and everything for Elon jet it's like when the shoot what scared me what really scared me is when I went into the reply comments of these posts surrounding these different events that involved banning people and getting rid of free speech and without fail I already know all the hardcore right-wingers who have been arguing about censorship and banning or whatever rallied up with them the minute the shoe got on their foot boom right on but dude that's but that's what happened that's what happens with what we have bro that's what that's why that's why i think anyone on either side's a

moron and i'm i'm a moron too trust me i'm not fucking in a special boat but that's why it's stupid it's stupid agreed i think it's stupid when the shoe fits, everybody wears it, baby. I think this is one of the greatest moments of testimony and evidence for a guy like me and you to be able to point back to to say why neither of these people, neither of these sides are an answer. A guy? You just called me a guy? I did. I'm sorry about that assumption right there yeah watch yourself i i need to i need to watch the way you identify with their self thank you sir thank you sir wait you're not allowed to say that i know see i got you i got you yeah but no but

you're but but like you're totally right dude totally right it is the perfect testimony i just you know he needs to shut up he needs to shut up go behind the scenes i appreciate some of the polls then some of them i'm like that was dumb because now you're going to contradict yourself in five minutes dude it just i just think all of it is child's play like the majority of it is just child's play and so like that's what that's kind of what annoys me is because i'm kind of just like, well, no matter what's happening in that moment, it's like one side wants this, one side wants that. You want to try and beat said side because now you're the guy who's getting control of this giant thing that everyone really wanted you to get control of. And then you're just kind of like feeding into the narrative of like, this is why you're a piece of shit and we shouldn't give you this and it's like dude why don't you just why don't you just swallow your pride and just do

the damn thing and call it a day people aren't really is it the power of celebrity it's definitely a piece of it i mean there there's there's certainly and you see it in elon's actions too when he particularly goes all out when it's stuff that directly affects him there's elements of looking out for for square one before anything else and like with that doxing thing it was so clear to me he i i believe check me on this people because i haven't gone and corroborated this but there were reports that were out there on twitter not from like blank accounts from like large accounts which doesn't mean it's true but that said that the stalker that was caught that then started this whole thing because they caught a stalker by where his son well that's what i was going to say they're

like blocking his son's car and that's kind of what ignited all this now and he blamed it on them tracking him like with the elon jet and coming after him apparently the stalker was grimes's stalker it's not his stalker so even the logic ended up being wrong but his he didn't know that at first which i'll buy fine his logic immediately went to and as a human being i understand this you fuck with my kids you're done but then he took it out on his platform that happens to represent free speech like for the world which you can't do yeah you know you you have to have there needs to be like a safety valve there that says oh emotionally injected situation with our ceo means you get the safety valve, dude?

I don't know. That's what's crazy. Because unless a motherfucker is like Marcus Aurelius and he's just disciplined as fuck and is just made for the job, it's like no one's going to fucking do it correctly. I wouldn't do it correctly. Yeah. I don't think you, none of us would. Dude, I don't want the job.

I act out of emotion. I'm human, you know? It's like. I don't, these, you know, these people asking for the job and shit, I'm like, i i act out of emotion i'm human you know it's like i don't these you know these people asking for the job and shit i'm like get the fuck out of here it's that's a publicity stunt like this is why i shit post dude it's why i shit post you dude i mean that's a much more safe way to go just have fun with everything i mean fuck yeah it's just you know i don't know apparently he's like gonna step down a ceo because of that

poll but then he was insinuating that like they were trying to catch bots on it because then like that's the thing then kim.com who's like a hardcore like right libertarian kind of guy i think came out and was like elon just to let you know like like almost like talking to him like a friend, like, hey, buddy, you're going to do this because I told you because you agree with me, right? He's like, the government has hundreds of thousands of bot accounts and they definitely botted that poll,

which might, by the way, be completely true. Sure. Discount that. Sure, yeah. Anything's possible. It was to give Elon an out for this poll where he said, I will abide by the results. Right.

And he's like, well, that poll was our way of catching bots yeah and it's like you can't you need to remember the average person they do not like having their emotions swayed so much that makes them form an attitude because then when they form an attitude they want to they want to hunker down in that so if there were people that were optimistic about him doing this and then are getting so annoyed by all the shit happening and they're like i'm done you now just made it that much harder to ever convert them back to like oh i'm excited this is happening yeah because he's just i mean dude i'm gonna i'm a similar i'm in a similar boat to that i'm kind of just like this i'm kind of just like it's just kind of i, I said it a thousand times already, but it's just, it's getting annoying.

Like, I'm just looking at it. I'm like, dude, can we stop doing this shit? Yeah. So then when I'm at a fucking like place and I'm like, oh yeah, you, and it's like, oh, you're the bad guy. It's like, well, yeah, he's not helping us. Yeah. He's putting on a fucking show every day.

And we talked about him like banning accounts and shit. But then there was also the tweet that he put out. I think, did it have to do with, it after the kanye stuff talking about like hate speech i think it had to do with kanye in a way but he didn't it wasn't directly like about well they banned kanye right well they banned him they did we talked about that in a second but like but and then they banned him like apparently permanently but he was like it's freedom of speech not freedom of reach and so he's saying that while these twitter files that we're going to talk about in a few minutes are coming out where part of the big like oh my god you know right is that they they stopped the reach on some of these accounts or whatever and yet he just said in a tweet he's gonna do that too yeah and listen

do i want to go on to twitter and see swastikas no i don't no obviously not it's a poor user experience but to start just to start it's a pretty poor user experience just to start i mean there's a i got a few i got a list of a few other things but just to start poor user experience you know what i meant by that i know that was too good of an opportunity you did you're right but like of course i don't want to see that of course it's it's horrible but it goes back to your initial point where do you draw the line sure right and so if you're gonna do these twitter files and call out all these people for shit they did in the past when you then do the same things they were doing how does that make you better it doesn't it doesn't it actually

shatters the entire glass ceiling that was this idea of that you were gonna make things better yes i i don't you know when i saw because because he when he permanently banned Kanye it was after I mean Kanye said he sent out a lot of tweets. He was like trying to get banned There were a lot of reasons you could have given but the alleged reason that like put him over the top was Kanye made some logo of A star of David with a swastika inside of it and said love speech or something something like that i didn't even know that that's fucking yeah i can't put that picture up for obvious reasons

nor yeah but he got banned because of that and like my instant reaction is like good he can't fucking be saying shit anymore and then i said to myself i'm like but did he commit a crime no so do you have to if you're gonna do this isn't that you technically can't ban it you know it sucks because you're trying to have that conversation and you're actually being honest so it makes it really difficult because also part of you is like well someone could see something like that get inspired and go do something horrible right but also i might but also like should we ban catcher in the rye then because that's why whatever his name is

killed fucking john lennon you know it's fucking tough dude it might have been easier if he had just posted a regular swastika well yeah because then because then you're just like dude that's like that's like full-on like hate speech like that's hate speech that's a crime it's a crime but is it is it an incitement you might be able to argue that is my point but like because like on on youtube youtube i don't know how they do it, but YouTube automatically hides some comments. I select allow all comments on every post I've ever done. Yeah. Every post I've ever done. Right.

So I always tell people because people be like, oh, are my comments being deleted? I'm like, no. Like when I will be able to reply to something and see it on my end when someone says certain words and they're up to like including like dick or fuck or stuff like that and then i will notice when i go to click back in only my reply appears and their shit doesn't appear so people will think it gets deleted youtube does that if it were up to me they wouldn't there's one comment i've ever deleted other than when i immediately respond and then fixed it with a new response like in one second there's only ever one comment of someone I've ever deleted which is somebody was tweeting on some video maybe this was like nine months ago ten months ago where they were putting swastikas and I was just like oh

hell no no we're not doing that yeah I took that out and I blocked that user but I didn't have any problem with that because I'm like no that's actually like number one that looks awful sitting on any page so yeah number two like that's i thought in my head i'm like that's an incitement right yeah but when you're when you're talking about as dumb and probably completely purposely conflated as it was when you're talking about reviewing the full intentionality and you're seeing some idiot in this case kanye post love speech and put it like intertwined with something to try to say like oh maybe i don't try to be like edgy it's just like it's like he's trying to be like some edgelord type shit you know he's like look at how cool and

creative this is i'm being edgy and also like i'm fucking inciting love speech not hate speech but so point being even if you and i both know kind of what he's doing and the average person we know might yeah how do you prove that yeah i mean it's it's uh you can also argue you can't can't you can't you know that julian dory because you've been a fan of kanye for 15 years and you know you might know the minutiae of kanye and how he at but it's like you got to just look at some of these like some of these things you got to literally look at if you just handed some schmuck from the middle of nowhere an iphone and said is the do you think this is right or wrong it's like

yeah you might look at it and just be like, that's just not right, just off cuff. It's the same thing we were talking about with the words at Stanford and stuff and about how the language like this automatically infers... You're inferring negative. Yes. Like everything's being inferred negatively.

Exactly. This person is saying it like this because they want to cause harm when Person might just say like that because they're just an idiot and they just don't know or they just don't care whatever it is and that's a slippery slope with things too because You know and this is this is good to finally transition right into the Twitter files because this was included in there But a part of the Twitter files, which will just go out of order and start with this discussed trump's banning and there were actually three different i think as of the time we're recording this there's been eight or nine drops of the twitter files and this episode is going to come out probably like

five six days four days after we record it but the middle three like maybe parts three four and five i hope i have that right were about that period after january 6th right when twitter was moving towards figuring out how to ban trump's account now i've always said i never felt bad for trump about january 6th because i thought he was a fucking moron to do it in the first But like I'm with you He was so dumb that I'm like even if there was shit that ended up being slightly out of your control that day And even if you didn't explicitly Incite violence which in a court of law he can make that argument

Like you get what you get man Like you knew you were calling a bunch of rabid people there that day to say that the election wasn't real. That's your fucking problem. Free speech is a report something around like here's the report of the context around our banning of the account at real donald trump and i read that report and i don't know how many people i think people were so caught up in it that day like a lot of people like including like serious people who are great at their jobs like from a journalistic perspective like literally didn't read it but i talked about it i remember i talked about it it with Giovanni Gussin on episode 34. We probably spent like 10 minutes on it towards the end of that podcast where are talking about this behind the scenes i'm like they are implying that these great patriots those those 77 million patriots or whatever that he said that voted for him like that's how he said it like these great patriots won't stand for what yeah they're implying that all those people are

like the 100 000 people right or whatever it was who were in dc that right which then i'm thinking about like some of my aunts and uncles and shit who probably voted for trump who may not have liked it but they voted for him i'm like but they're fuck that like that's yeah that's bullshit yeah right it's a terrible way to lump a lot of people, probably half the country. And that's what they did. They literally, first of all, Jack was out of the country for that week. He was not in America. He was in the French Polynesian Island.

I probably fucked that up. He was somewhere exotic on vacation. Must be nice. Must be nice. Must be nice. And Vijayagati, who Elon did fire. Right. Yep. nice must be nice and vajayagati who elon did fire right yeah who did get body bagged by your boy tim pool on that on that one podcast hey tim pool hey my boy no but that was that was a great

podcast dude it was it also wasn't it was also a very eye-opening podcast you know what it made me realize i'm like these people who are running twitter are morons. Like, morons. Like, ideologues. Well, you notice Jack Dorsey didn't say much that episode. Yeah, dude. No shit. And also, too, Joey Rogan didn't do a great job either of pressing that member. Like, that was a big thing. Well, the first time, because he just talks with people.

And he got so much shit. And then he let Tim Pool come on on his own for three hours and, like, reset the record. And this is how I understand it. and then he let tim pool come on on his own for three hours and like reset the record and then and this is how i understand it maybe people in the comments will know more than me and provide context here if this is not how it went down put it in the comments the way i understand it is that jack dorsey called up rogan after all this after tim pool went on and said, would Tim like to do a podcast, I can bring our head of policy. Now, you can say a lot of things about Jack Dorsey, and I've been on this train for a long time. I'm a fan.

Of Jack. Of Jack. Yeah, I agree. What you cannot say is that this man is an idiot, even if you don't like him. This is a smart guy. Do you think for one second he thought he was going to go in there and win those arguments? No. So why did he call he was going to go in there and win those arguments? No. So why did he call up and ask to do it?

Well, now we're finding out. Because he wasn't the guy making these fucking calls. I don't know what the influence is here, dude. But I'm seeing all these messages. Great way of covering your ass, man. Oh, bro. Like, brilliant way of covering your ass. You know, and he sold out of the company then

in november 2021 and left and is trying to build decentralized shit and like if you listen to his politics over the last 10 years right it's actually what you wouldn't believe it would be bro he's a liberal libertarian yeah classic liberal like through and through like jack dorsey and i agree on a lot of politics like a lot of politics probably not no way all of it never yeah but like way way more than you would imagine maybe two years ago so you see what they did there and it's like you know it it puts people in that position where a lot of people don't want to be in this position but where they have to defend trump like you make you accomplish the opposite when you do this shit and that's why you can make the argument with them banning kanye you accomplish the opposite because now you're

going to get a bunch of people saying look they silence this man they silence this man for telling the truth right and you're going to that's going to that that urban legend will grow and this takes full circle this conversation yeah this is what i worry about yeah yeah so you can't then you get the new youtube doc you get the new fucking i'm just saying like you bit you build the urban legend dude because then you get the new you get the new doc the independent doc and people that red pill aspect that just took over so big the last few years that's it's a pendulum man it is it is blue pill red pill it's it's crazy bro red pull it's definitely in the red pill stage

right now but it's not healthy no red pill stage i'm into what's that no seed oils no seed oils everybody get seed oils out of your diet what's your problem with seed oils dude seed oils bro they cause all the problems leaky gut cancer everything you want to talk seed oils is this uh like corn corn starch all that shit yeah like canola oil yeah that's like all in the same yeah nothing about yeah no i i'm being like a little facetious but like it definitely is something look into it check it out i look i look at the camera check it out do your research do your research carnivore diet That's the thing like well now we cringe when we have to say shit like that because the people saying like think critically or like Do your research? It's like alright, bro Dude, we've dude like our young adult years have been pretty wild

like I want to say we've lived through, like, a lot of, like, we've lived through times of, like, a lot of different dogma being thrown at us. But, like, you can also argue that for, like, any fucking generation. Like, the 60s were just no walk in the park either. But it's still crazy to look at when you, like, put it all under the lens. Like, the last four years. The world has changed. Crazy. Like, drastically.

Drastically. The world. 2019. four years the world has changed crazy like like drastically drastically the world 2019 which was an interesting year in my life for reasons that don't have to do with the world just like ironically but 2019 every time i look back on it it and i mean this in a in a very very figurative way it looks farther and farther away as in it doesn't look three years away that was that was the day the ship left the dock my friend dude it looks it feels like it was 30 years ago yeah and listen like not to be like overly dramatic but in the same breath it's it it's like things are very different in just a very small amount of time. And we're so used to things becoming so drastically different alongside crazy technological changes. And that's what I think is the craziest part for me personally is looking at it. Not much has changed necessarily necessarily but things have changed like

drastically you know what i'm trying to get out there we don't have flying cars we don't have this new like technological breakthrough like the internet and stuff like that things are almost very similar to how they were just four years ago but like the world itself and the way we navigate through the world is change is changed drastically yeah i think it's people's views on reality have changed and maybe even their views on hope which was already among the generations dwindling yeah right i was gonna say it's already already wasn't great but even the perceptions of the reality too i'm like it's gotten so bad where it's like it's like it's like alarming because people are people are believing some wild shit you know it's almost

like the world is becoming we're more and more at effect this is just what it is like we got to a point where we valued everything about the sanctity of human life so to speak i want to make sure i say this right this is i know how i what i want to say but i don't know i i admire how much how much time you take to say it because i ought to do this i ought to do this same no but like we we've got we got to a point where we valued everything about human life so much, which is a great thing. That is moving forward as a human society over the years. Progress. Yes. But we got to it where we valued it so much that now we've kind of like gone over the cliff.

And in the same world where people were were terrified of covid for two years in some cases and sometimes still are you have a lot of people who are kind of at like the pandemic put them over the top of being at a fuck it moment yeah in life just like whatever you know like they're i'm not saying like oh people aren't afraid of death or shit like that i'm not saying that i'm just saying that there's more of a cynical attitude very much so very much so that's the best that's perfect way of putting it cynicism itself has just become zoomed in upon yeah i mean i think a dose of cynicism is healthy in life sure i joke like sometimes i'm a cynic about this or that and i think i think that could be healthy but when you then apply that to everything from the moment you wake up to the moment you go to bed at night

number one it's exhausting number two it i mean it's the definition of just pure negativity yeah i mean life gets pretty fucking bleak dude yeah yeah that's why you know i don't we talk about these funny things coming out of stanford and whatever and and when there's something egregious like that like of course we're gonna talk about that and have a good time because it's funny sure and we got to make sure like shit like that actually doesn't become a reality. But the people who live on either side of this cultural war every day, which is what they call it. Like dedicated. Yes. It's what they call it.

It's a cultural war. We got to win. The other side is the enemy in every way. The globalists. I can't even fathom having to live my life like that. No, it's tragic. It's tragic. You are a soldier in a war that you didn't sign up for.

Well, I take that back. You definitely did sign up for it. But you're kind of just unwillingly now fighting blindly. But what are you fighting? You're on a fucking keyboard. Yeah. With ten followers. No, it's stupid. Talking to Tim Pool like you know him. Right. You know what I mean? finally but what are you fighting you're on a fucking keyboard yeah with 10 followers that's stupid talking to tim pool like you know him right you know what i mean be shit posting

be shit posting it's just go outside do something i'm always amazed when i go to like the wawa i forget who i was i was talking about well you'll see some characters there sure but i'm saying like you will see the person with green hair hold the door for the dude wearing a non-veteran 70 yeah you know regimen 82 yeah you know what i mean like and and they say thank you but like but like that's why you can't get so caught up on the online shit because it goes back to what I just said 10 minutes ago about the regular person's opinions on X, Y, and Z. That's pretty – I would hope and I hope to stand by it too. That's kind of how the world is. The majority, right? The majority of the world is like that for sure. But I don't – number one, I don't think the majority is as cleanly 99% by any stretch as it used to be.

Yeah. And I do think that there's a huge problem with monetizing this stuff. These woke warriors and then from the opposite end like the candace owens's of the world yeah the shapiros and shit i won't even actually i will give ben some credit i won't i won't put him entirely in that category though there are plenty of things i could put him in that category for but as someone like he's a guy who is on the conservative end of the spectrum. He to me is – when I'm looking at people who have enormous opinions, he at least – I can occasionally see some stuff where I'm like, okay. I appreciate how you put that. A lot of these people – like when I see something from Candace Owens, I know like if I'm not reading this with like a laugh on my face already like my blood's gonna boil right like there's something she's gonna say when i read

something from charlotte climber on the left side who who goes to put some on twitter like i know what i'm going to get right i'm talking about those people right now like the worst the reactionaries bro yeah and it's like they're making a lot of money doing it too when i can write their tweets for them a week ahead of time, we have reached a place where people need to step back and not just look at that as like, ooh, they're under some psychosis, which I think there's elements of that in this culture war, but also, ooh, they're in the monetization structure.

Yeah, it's performative, dog. It's performative. It's performative. Yeah. It's performative it would literally it's performative yeah it's performative well dude did you did you see a few weeks i shared it a few weeks ago did you see me infiltrate tucker carlson's web show did you not see it i had it on my story i would have thought you saw it so tucker carlson has a web show so he has a web show called The Daily Caller. It's like his web platform on YouTube.

And they do Man on the Street. And the kid saw me in New York with Matty Ferrara. And we just took him for a ride. He was talking about like bail reform. What'd you do? Oh, I mean, I just didn't take it serious. I just kept talking about Piz. Is there a video of this? Yeah, yeah, it's on youtube search daily caller um but it was funny dude because like i knew exactly

where they were going as soon as they're like oh like do you guys want to get interviewed and the kid just starts talking about the guy in new york who like wielded a hatchet at mcdonald's which i'm sure you saw that video was pretty fucking pretty fucking crazy. Yes, I did. And I do appreciate his angle because he's pretty much just saying like, hey, guy wielded a hatchet at McDonald's and got arrested and he's out on bail reform. What do you think about that?

But I just can never give my fuel to that fire. You know what I'm saying? So it was just in me naturally to just be like, I'm going to be a piece of shit for this interview where is the the daily caller on youtube can you like bring it up on this screen let's bring it up over here yeah i want to see this it's the daily caller the daily caller and then all right so yeah so go yeah go go to their go to their channel yeah go to their channel.

How long ago was this? It was literally like a few weeks ago. Do you know what one it was? Are you going to recognize it? Yeah, I'm definitely going to recognize it. It was one month ago. Oh, there it is. There it is.

Go down. Which one? Right there. This one? NYC wants this man locked up. Do you know what time stamp you're at? Yeah, but hold on. Before you do it, you got to go to it yeah but hold on before you do it you

got to go to the comments and just show people being like what the hell is piz because i just kept talking about piz my my one friend just says like if he has to go to the bathroom he's just like i gotta go take a piz and so i you just kept saying it that whole day just out of just being morons and i was like let me just talk to this guy about piz all right where's your time standing here it's um definitely towards the end we take up a lot of time after this couple yep oh there it is after this couple all right if we can't show this on youtube and it's and it's gonna get a copyright the video is called nyc once this man locked up from the daily caller and we'll be right back after this if not you're gonna hear it right now let me just stick this let me change the sound so it's in our headphones so that we can actually hear it on our end hold on one sec what made it

really fun though is that the kid didn't really give us the gist until after we're like oh like what are you doing are you guys you didn't know who he was no so we're like oh are you guys like nyu students or like he was it was all very conservative so i was like this definitely wasn't like an nyu thing right he just stopped you on the street though yeah and we're like oh like are you guys nyu like college students like oh no we we work for uh tucker carlson's platform the daily caller and i'm like i'm so glad we just did what we did here all right let's either you this? Have you been victims of? My wife has. She's been a victim a couple of times on the subway. They let him out on bail reform. They're letting so many people out on bail reform.

I think it's about time that Mayor Adams takes the pizz. What's the pizz? Well, you know, like if we're talking in terms of like jail and bail reform, the Piz. Does this make you guys feel like unsafe to eat at McDonald's or walk around the city? I avoid McDonald's all the time. I will never step foot in a McDonald's. If you've seen me do it, you saw me do it during the pandemic or pre-pandemic, okay? I'll never go to a McDonald's.

When you're that that location i think was delancey and essex i've been in that mcdonald's and uh a man has tried to fight me he tried to fight me one time there and you know what am i gonna do fight some guy in a mcdonald's no it becomes unsafe so what i do is i avoid mcdonald's and I avoid 7-Eleven too. Because, again, I've been harassed for not taking the Piz properly there as well. So, you know. What did you almost get into a fight over? What did you do? There was a door on the side of the building that said, do not open.

I assumed it was locked or something. And some guy was standing outside and he was banging on it, asking me to let him in. And, you know, I was like no buddy like i'd walk through the front door you could do it too like i'm not gonna get out of line and do that so he came in he was like why don't you open the door i'm like oh it says do not open and then he was like starting and then i told him to have a nice day and he didn't take too kindly to that he came outside it was me and two buddies so i mean listen end of the day three v one guys he's getting the pizz so he comes out and he's like oh i'll f**k you guys up and we're like

hey bud have a good day and then i you know i walked away and i felt sorry for him maybe instead of like certain people he was there too everyone imagine if everyone in new york was issued a night hatchet a hatchet let's see everyone go head to head with a hatchet you know because you're gonna question it like on the subway like oh maybe i shouldn't whip out my hatchet because everyone else has a hatchet and you can also put advertisements on the hatchet it's just another means of them to you know make money through advertising i love that they probably love that they're like oh same thing with guns right that's why i came in i'm like yeah but it's a good opportunity for advertising you could put

advertising on the hatchet yeah oh joe i don't know man tucker tucker i gotta watch tucker tonight welcome back to tucker carlson tonight ladies and gentlemen. I'm your host, Tucker Carlson. Lady at Stanford says you can't say ***. You agree? Neither do we. We think that speech should be free for everybody. Don't agree with us? Didn't think you would.

Noticed your hair was blue. Didn't want to ask you. Got the **** cadence down that's how it goes the cadence is down oh my god he kills me when he laughs i don't know who's on their laugh but it just reminds me of like an aristocrat just being like that's oh we we just bombed another country in the middle east it's it's like so stereotypical that's the problem with it yeah that's why that's why and that and then that's why people hate you hate them or something like everyone's laugh sounds different it's kind of a cool thing about humanity and they all sound odd in a way like it's

not it's a very natural thing but it sounds unnatural but like then there's the people who like feed directly into like you would see that in a cartoon that's how they would laugh or that or like you're just like oh like this is how like news anchor laugh on tv yeah like you're just like oh yeah yeah that's how it goes well anyway johnny did you see a woman get raped in the subway when you were down there let's talk about the case you know well i do feel bad for her and her family anyway over to you gene and weather you know it's a terrible thing well we got off the twitter file stuff and i want to make sure yeah yeah we don't bury that so we talked about the trump part which that part was like you know it's gotten better as it's gone along.

Now we're starting to get to stuff. I don't know how many of these things there's going to be. I can tell you the first like four or five when they were dropping them, I was like, this is a little disappointing. It's like there's nothing we haven't, we didn't already know. But like what I was saying earlier, it's like you got like the confirmation though. That's what was tough. It's like you knew it, you knew it, you felt earlier, it's like you got like the confirmation though. That's what was tough. It's like you like – you knew it.

You knew it. You felt it. It sounded like it. But like I feel like this has just been like confirming. Right. So they – let's see. The first part – I'm trying to remember them in order. The first part went through – what was the first part yeah bring

up that list one time today's episode sponsored by essential oh it was when like they were talking about like having direct access to like the biden team and the trump team there was a little bit of that too where they would send problematic things that they wanted taken down be like hey check that both an issue and so again like the people calling us out they need to also recognize like this stuff biden's team was saying was awful and should be called out you also had a little bit from trump's team now we know trump's team didn't really have any sway in there because like obviously like they don't like him over there yeah so that that does there is reason to be you know take that less seriously i guess in that case but he was the president at the time either way you should never have public individuals regardless

of what office they're holding or running for being able to have any say over the happenings on a platform. I know the guy, what the hell is his name? The former New York Times guy, Alex Berenson, who's suing Twitter right now. He's on Rogan all the time. He, in his discovery for his lawsuit, part of the first lawsuit, they got the data that showed an email from the White House saying, what are we doing about alex berenson and this is when it was biden in white house right like the fact that you

have the president emailing a a speech plan a publication about what they're doing about a user who you disagree with who was later like his work was proven to not be fake news sure like he presented real data whether you like it or not like he did and that's what the course upheld that's why he was reinstated on twitter it's like that's terrifying yeah so that's big brother shit dude right then when they got to like part two and then part three four five with with trump but part two was like they showed the freedom of reach thing which we kind of touched on so they show like i think it was like dan bongino charlie kirk and libs of tick tock were the examples they used who

had their reach limited and there's you know for a while there was an argument especially with libs of tick tock they got no assistance all she did was just and this is not the case anymore but for a while all she did was just repost videos sure no like that's it she just post a video and then they would blame her for reposting a video that someone publicly posted right which is like that's crazy no no yeah you. But then she got doxxed by Taylor Lorenz, who – I mean that was breaking journalistic integrity completely, what she did. And she got no help for that. And Taylor Lorenz didn't get any suspension for that at the time. So it didn't – you didn't have shoe on the same foot.

So then we see the Trump stuff, 3, 4, 5. And this is where I was kind of like, all right, this just, you know, I'm not seeing. I'm getting that confirmation you're talking about. I'm not seeing a ton that we didn't know. Six is where it started to break a little bit because now they start getting to the FBI. Yeah, you need the bombshell. And six wasn't a bombshell. It was still, like, underwhelming.

But it showed the first ties. Because, again, we don't know how many of these there's going to be i don't know they're going to be 10 or 50 so who knows maybe they'll get worse but you see the ties of the fbi having a very seemingly nonchalant line one relationship with twitter to be able to ban whatever accounts they want that's a problem yeah now like i understand that the fbi in its role as as top cop like yeah like as an example one of their roles every election day is is and around elections is to litigate election suppression yeah right like that's a felony so i get that they have to use social platforms to look into that

the way that they were just in constant contact though with twitter and twitter mostly did whatever they wanted yeah regardless of context or question is a problem yeah yeah Twitter Twitter became became like their little bridge to like whatever they needed done and there okay there was I don't know if it was also in part six but it was in part six or seven something like that or maybe it was the supplemental to part six that matt taibbi put out they showed that twitter actually had some concerns internally which i guess is something that isn't the worst part of this report for them no where they were getting questionnaires from the fbi on very specific seemingly like foreign related stuff and they were concerned and i think righteously so that the fbi was acting as a conduit for other intelligence agencies who part

of those agency stipulations is that they are not supposed to spy on america right so you get like massad and well yeah you i wasn't even getting there yet, but sure. But like the idea that there's other foreign entities that now get to like pull the strings and that's a big issue. That's the second layer. The first layer is literally ours. CIA, NSA, Homeland, agencies. I don't know if Homeland would be under that, but CIA, NSA definitely are. They're not supposed to spy on Americans.

Well, isn't the CIA not even supposed to operate on American soil? Or am I getting that wrong? Again, I'm an idiot, everybody. No, no, I believe you are correct about that. It's like a technicality. They're not supposed to operate on American soil. Not to go too far down a tangent but i there's some people i would love to bring on this podcast who i've spoken with

who aren't going to do it and i'd much rather for the sake of just like their professional i can ask when i bring boost amante and lawler on i can ask them about this but i didn't hear this stuff from them i heard it from other people directly knowledgeable but what exactly the cia does have the way it was explained to me and you're just gonna have to take this because i don't have the guy here to say are you like you're saying you're saying but you're are you gonna say like it's like they have like a certain jurisdiction no well kind of they their jurisdiction i believe is what you said unless i'm blanking it is they're not supposed to have any operations regarding americans on our soil it's supposed to be all foreign related what's been told to me is that they do have missions that involve americans but the way that they're able to legally get around it is

tying it to foreign perpetrators and the examples that were given to me were very real and i gotta tell you you know the c CIA is like this controversial thing to talk about now. And I'll call out shit they've done wrong. They are far from perfect. They've done a lot of bad shit. I think any big government entity for that matter. Exactly. And they are very necessary.

And the example I heard, it's a slippery slope. And that's the hypocrisy on my end here but the examples I heard fuck yeah I'm glad they're on that yeah like I'm not saying it's clean I'm not saying it's not a scary precedent in some ways I'm not saying that but like yeah I got you got to balance out well I was just gonna say like dude isn't isn't like all good detective work a little dirty just a little just a little i think of like i think of like the like the fucking like noir movies it's like you gotta break a few eggs to make an omelette we're gonna waterboard a couple of guys because guess what we might we might have waterboarded those guys we brought that young girl home no but no and i'm joking i'm joking but like but like in all seriousness like

there's definitely uh there's an element yeah there's definitely an element there where it's like if it's not necessarily like breaking the rules, like cold cut, it's like bending them. Just like a little bendy. A little bendy. A little bend, don't break. But I think when you see it as blatant on email chains, very visible at what at the time was a public company, where this is a common partnership where they are clearly blatantly speaking on their behalf. You're changing the navigation too of like our nation like it's not just like oh you're trying to just get like a law passed or like like you're changing

the way like we're gonna move forward for the next decade that was the one i think it was if i remember correctly i believe it was the part six supplemental like i was saying that tybee put out where he dropped that part of it where they were putting out the questionnaires and Twitter even had severe suspicions, which I think they were right about that this was answering, filling in blanks for other agencies. That's where my hat went. Oh, okay. That's a bombshell. Yeah. That's not good.

That was like, okay. I'm like, okay, here we go. Now we're getting to what I really want to hear about. Because, you know, it doesn't take many bad people. You get a few bad people on a ship with some power. Doesn't matter if you have great people on that ship. Dude, you just need one that has a lot of power. You don't need many at all.

You just need one that has a nice pull on things and you're good to go you're good to go yeah i mean you look at ways that they've been able to i guess like support decisions that are made you know they'll they'll hide things behind this trojan horse and say well we needed this because this happened and look that bad thing didn't but then here's all we're gonna do what about all the things that can do no don't worry about that yeah you know well that's the way the art of deception plays into all this shit man that's like that's like the story is all this time whether you read it in a book or watching in a movie the most powerful and the best at their job we're gonna use that same art right there such as human nature hey man go back and look at like you know like even like 9-11 Patriot Act dude yeah there you go there you go God does

do we're talking earlier today about acting out of emotion talk about the greatest example yep and warranted too you know i was super young so it's like i can only put it into like a uh you know certain way but it's like warranted if i was a 20 year old adult adult at that time it probably would have been a whole different ball game so you could say in a situation like that you gave you gave them an inch and you'd be okay if they took a mile they didn't take a mile they took fucking 10 000 miles oh dude yeah like that's the problem oh for sure and then you can even argue that like this this last phase of like things that have happened was like it was like that was like one step and now what just happened the last few years was like step two or step three or step 10

whatever it is you know yeah but shit i ain't gonna put that hat on right now motherfucker i ain't gonna put that hat on oh you know what hat i need you to put on? What's that? I need you to put on the hat about our dear friend SBF. Dude, I was waiting for it, dude. That piece of shit. I saw today he's out on $250 million bail. $250 million. He beat Raj Raj Radham. No longer holds the record for financial guys.

Good, good. Because you know what? I think Buddy deserves it a lot more, SBF. Dude, what a fucking piece of shit. And you want to know what I hate most? And we're going to put it on record and this could even be the thing that sets it off.

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Is there going to be any content made when you visit said person? No. And that's precisely why I want to talk with him. Real quick, real quick before you even move forward. Can we just talk about how fucking long this all took? Oh, to get him here? Just everything. Yeah everything yeah just to get just to even get an arrest bizarre bizarre as fuck dude to me you know this is one of those where it just feels like an intel op.

Yeah, like theater. Not political theater, but like that idea. It's very theatrical. It's an intel op. First of all. Yeah, itch that. Yeah, yeah, rub it out. We talk about this in the Stanford example about how it's almost like they know they can get away with shit, so they just troll you now.

Yeah. And they'll still do it. That's what this felt like from an intelligence standpoint because this kid is a moron. There are three brain cells upstairs on a last chance fucking power drive on the boulevard of broken heroes that is what's going on up in his head all right this this is not this dude i don't he probably got through mit because his fucking parents know everybody and you know i'd love to see his course like he almost has he almost has the potential you know like it's like he has the potential but not fully like on it like he's not there no yeah and and it's it's funny because I was watching an old interview with him this is in like September and I had been

specifically looking for it because some this year, you're saying? Yes. Okay. Because what happened was I saw another pop-up of that old Brady video from earlier this year where Brady's like, Sam, where'd you go? And then I'm like, I'm looking at this, and something about the kid, I'm just like, I don't get it. Did your oddest senses start tingling? No.

No, I'm kidding. No, I won't give him that credit like he just literally he's just a dumb ass like he fell off yeah and so i went to watch an interview with him and i might have gotten through 35 minutes of it like i couldn't even get through it i'm just like is this kid dumb or am i dumb like that's what i was wondering if he was so smart that i'm dumb yeah yeah because you're considering like what he's doing and building and controlling and like at the forefront of and you're like oh he has to have some sort of sense he was making little to no sense he seemed completely unsure of what he was saying and like you know he

obviously looks exactly like the kid who gets shoved into lockers sure who usually is smart yeah but it just didn't feel that way and then you see all this shit happening and the moment where i was like okay the fuck is going on here was two things happened at once it was like a night and then i think maybe during the same night 300 million dollars got pulled out after the exchange right god knows where that went And then he started tweeting out one-word tweets to spell out, like, what happened. Yeah. And I'm like— Yeah, he's trying to be, like, cryptic about it. And then he does a softball interview with the New York Times where—

Are you talking about the panel or the interview? Because that motherfucker, he was on that panel, too. Not the panel. That shit was crazy as well. That shit was crazy, but he did a softball—this was early on, before he was talking to anyone. Oh, the puff piece, the big puff piece that shit was crazy that shit was crazy but he did a softball and this was early on before he was talking anyway oh the puff piece the big puff piece that everyone was like and the guy it was written like someone who's like in the middle of like a hard climax struggle moment but he's gonna make it out like like they're rooting for him yeah and at the end the guy asked him he

goes he's like and then i asked him about what this cryptic tweet he's been sending out one letter at a time that stands at what hap or something right now and sam goes it's i i haven't said anything or like it's time and he goes i'm just figuring it out as i go and i'm like what what is wrong with this person? Yeah. Like, you just perpetuated what appears to be genius. Well, seriously. Like, you would hope, like, what he's perpetuating. You're like, dude, like, this is genius. You're creating, like, you're innovating. All I'm saying is if he is getting bailed at his parents house if he's found dead in his

parents house i give up on society yeah if he's found dead in his parents house and people aren't and and i hope he's not i just want to put that out there it's not an intention i i hope he's healthy and can stand trial and answer for what appear to be his crimes alleged but if people aren't up in arms after that happens I may just give up on society well my problem my issue is that people aren't in up in arms enough like enough I I sorry I butchered that it was that little bit no no I got you people are not up in arms enough over this whole thing it's weird the whole thing has just felt so weird because like you think of like about like bernie madoff that shit was like an explosion like an explosion dude i was still like pretty young it's like even when you look back on it

when like i was like just like like diving through youtube it's like dude shit was like it was it was the center of the universe when that was going on. And then this kind of just felt like it was like a big story for a couple days, swept under the rug for a few weeks, came back, went out, came back. It's weird. It is weird. And the mainstream media, it's like a joke how they've written about it. They write nicely. I think that's only because of like all the ties with ukraine it has

to be what his ties his funneling of money to the ukraine how much money did he even get there though millions dude right millions sure obvious it's two dollars yeah i know but what but when you're talking about millions of dollars that people put on a platform to invest in crypto, it's like that's pretty fucking crazy. Imagine your money on Coinbase that you thought is in your account right now is just getting funneled for like a war that we're not fighting it. It's our ally, but still it's like, yeah, that's crazy talk. I just, you know, with crypto, the concern I've always always had and i've been an optimist about it put all of your money into ftx put all of your money in the concern i always had and maybe didn't admit out loud as much and then over the past year i've really started to like let my gut do the

talking a little bit yeah and that is the talent in the space from an engineering standpoint and innovation standpoint is tremendous mm-hmm the ideas are amazing I think I think how Bitcoin was created was incredible even if it turned out like and this is not what I think but if it turned out like Bitcoin was like an NSA plant or something like I'd have to admit like they did a great job yeah concept conceptually speaking yeah the idea of decentralizing currency just like that that in itself yeah it's incredible but what's the one thing that every government needs control over to maintain power money if they lose that what do they have so they are and this is

every level of it and i am including people who behind the scenes may be thinking this and may actually be good people in government but convince themselves that like oh this would be very bad because then the good people like me couldn't even be here to help right right no you just they lose everything they get on the side with in this case the bad people behind the scenes who are like oh fuck the people taking this power that's our power right and they're united behind this almost like involuntarily right yeah and then you're and then you're and then you're dealing with people of the Silicon Valley stature, which if we check the logs on that one, my friend, they've always been very notorious as to working with said people. So everyone is going to be incentivized from the government standpoint to not see this work. Yeah.

What better way to blow up the system than create a complete and total idiot like a literal idiot take a patsy take a patsy like this kid make him an asset make everyone believe he's a genius because the crypto bros keep pumping it and saying and convincing themselves that he's a genius yeah and then reveal it for what it is at the end which this kid is literally a fucking moron blow up the system in the meantime and make everyone lose any shred of faith yep in an unregulated system that the government doesn't control yeah in that case i say psyop hey hats off to the government great job like. Like, you guys did awesome. It's a good op. It's a good op. It's a really good op, guys. Guys, that was good.

I mean, am I off base? No, no, not at all. Like, you can't rule anything out as fully impossible, especially nowadays. So it's like when you, like, lay it out like that, it would make plenty of sense. Like, you would look at it and be like, yeah, that makes sense. I just don't know how i want to make sure he is healthy and sees trial gets his what i view will be a guilty verdict and punishment for this and we actually get facts on it i'm just not hopeful that's how it's going to

go down no i agree i i do i really really really really really hope for like some like solid transparency and some answers because if not like you said this is kind of just going to topple over that whole entire sector which i don't want to see no because folks i got i got i got some of the egg in there you know what i got some not an ftx but i got some of the egg we want to see this thing through guys we want to see this thing through do i need to pull up your nft again oh my god i'm not pulling you know what's funny is i i never wanted to hang myself so bad yeah that day you know what i support you and your feeling. Thanks, dude.

I appreciate you. It was, you got a lot of great work. That wasn't your best work. No. That was like a Hunter Biden art collection. Well, you know what that was? That was me seeing the market and taking advantage. That was, that was during the crypto bubble.

That was during me working at home during pandemic. And I was like, dude, this NFT thing is crazy. I saw some guy buy a cube today for five ETH. We're going to make this fucking smile one. I'm going to add a little haiku that I wrote into it. So it's like a poem and a picture. We're selling this for 10 ETH. At least 10 ETH.

It's still on the market. We haven't sold it yet. We actually had a loss. We actually had a loss because we had to pay like $98 in gas fees to mint it. But hey, you live and you learn, folks.

That's why it's so funny, dude. I said it before. That's why it's so funny going to try and i said it before it's like that's why it's so funny like going to try and like pitch a movie to someone it's okay you want to invest this hundred grand into this production this project and they're like buddy you heard of sam bankman freed take a fucking walk they're scarred like the only difference with i mean the only similar thing with this is that you're not gonna make make money. That's exactly it, folks. Oh, my God. Crazy, man.

Well, how did we get here? Feels like just yesterday was the Robin Hood crisis. Who cares? Who the fuck cares? They already made a movie on that. We were going to get here whether we wanted to or not, dude. That book came out within seven months. The documentary within 12, and it's like ancient history now. That shit wasn't even two years ago.

No one talks about that. Fucking wild. I still have a Robin Hood account. I do too. So there you go. Yeah. You would think if there was any sense in any of us, we would have said close the account. But for whatever reason.

Too much effort. Like, ah, whatever. Too much effort. I haven't even unsubscribed from emails. I still get the emails from them. The least I could do is scroll to the bottom and unsubscribe. Ugh. Goddamn.

What is the big takeaway you think at the end of the day when it's all said and done with these Twitter files, with everything? What are we going to actually gain through all of this? Julian Dory. everything what what are we going to actually gain through all of this julian dory i would like to say clarity but clarity can't be fogged i mean not to sound like captain fuck obvious here but it has to be clear yeah that's literally the definition of the word and the problem with this is that you have these things coming out and again i told you now it starts it's starting to look like it's maybe getting somewhere where it's like oh this might be a bombshell right which means it could be more

to come and i'm hopeful about that but in the middle of it you have all this drama and all this attention that he's putting on himself and getting all political and being some fucking you know reddit bro on twitter and it's like that's best term to use shut elon elon shut the fuck up please just shut the fuck up build your shit you're gonna do a great job building your shit let everybody talk don't ban accounts don't ban jack sweeney it's public information you moron he's not a moron but that was just a moronic like right it's literally like you can get that publicly like it could take an average person to literally just be like this is stupid jack went on my buddy danny danny jones's podcast concrete in march or april and i if i

remember correctly i think he even laid out on there like how you do it anyone can do this it's available on all the other networks so like when you're talking about when you start taking shit personal and doing stuff like that and when you the worst part is he he's getting contradicted by tweets he wrote in the last year this isn't even like you know something he wrote like two years ago or whatever you know what's that one account the l's of tiktoker or l's of you know i'm talking about yeah um where they post the screen the two screenshots like the posting the l's yeah yeah right i know you're talking about like they put him on that account with tweets like a week ago or two weeks ago or something i saw because it's getting that obvious and like there are people who

are probably rooting for him to do well here you know which kudos to them for for calling it like they see it with that it's just we we need him to stop talking we need him to do the building and we need him to do open building and and guess what some of those polls i think are great by the way but then like i saw one the other day where they started trying to argue for just blue check mark should be able to vote and like it was the right-wingers arguing it again and i just i put my hat i took my hat off for a second i said okay imagine this six months ago and it was the other side this would be war it would be war dog and he's sitting there going good point i'm like yeah that's no good you know that ain't for the cause who's the one guy who's great the uh crystal and saga saga put out some fire tweets yes yes he's is it boiling or breaking breaking

point breaking point yeah but he put out like some great tweets analyzing some of this and he's he's there one of them is liberal one of them is conservative he's the conservative guy right and so that carried even more weight for me seeing seeing him put this shit out but he seems to be saying in a much more coherent better way than i have what i'm saying which is shut up and build and let the platform dictate how people beat down bad speech yeah let us beat it yeah i was gonna say he's been very consistent yeah just like i thought i follow him and i feel like there hasn't been a single time since this all happened where like it's been like out of place like he's been very on the money in my opinion at least and another one of rogan's guys this one from the left side kyle kolinsky people were posting screenshots of that he's been

unbelievably consistent about this stuff for years saying like hey you have a choice here it's he and i'm gonna quote this wrong but he was basically saying like you have a part of the platform that's all go because you can't have people deciding what does and doesn't right you know like do people want to see it turn into 4chan no i don't really even know what 4chan looks like i've been on there twice in my life but i can imagine just from like screenshots i've seen whatever like it's not pleasant i don't want to see that either yeah right goes back to the bad user experience as you said earlier. It's a bad user experience. It's a bad user experience.

I don't think anyone wants to see that. I just hope he shuts up and builds. He did say if he gives up CEO he's going to be in charge of the building and engineering team or whatever, which I don't have a problem with. I think that's great. Just, like, stop giving them what they want.

Stop giving the worst people what they want. Do you think, though, if we do see clarity on things, do you think it will really matter in the grand scheme, in the big picture the only way it will matter is if things happen that i never want to see happen happen if we have if we have severe crises i mean let's put the word on if we have war yeah like revolution i'm not even talking about here necessarily i'm saying any kind abroad and i'm and not to play it down at all but no not like in iraq i'm talking about like your quote-unquote world war or something like that it will take could take and i hope it doesn, but it could take people seeing unthinkable things to start to realize that the shit they're bitching about and arguing about is some of the greatest waste of time ever. These people that sit here and fight these culture wars, there's a reason they use that word.

I said this earlier. There's a reason it exists, too. We talked about that, too. that's divide and conquer yeah and that and it pays yeah the division on all levels yes exactly so like they're incentivized to keep that going but those people you know part of the reason they get in that zone is because there's something about humans that if they don't have a major struggle over a long period of time they yearn one and then they'll look for it wherever it is you know it's a good point it's just look we've had vietnam was was a bad war and it did have a draft there were a lot of people there. Since then, we haven't had a draft war. The wars we have had are awful.

They're war. But war changed, and they were also on smaller land zones, right? Now, Vietnam wasn't, but compared to, like, World War II. You know, they were different, and they didn't affect the everyman. I wasn't worried about being enlisted to go to war exactly right you weren't worried about you signed up you signed up for the draft it's like a big joke now and like our it's like oh i gotta sign up for the draft but i'm never like they're never gonna draft me i don't even remember doing that i must have done it you did

because you registered to vote is that when you do it when i don't even remember when you do your license i think interesting that's definitely that's definitely like not 100 but i think when you do your license at age 18 you do all that great all right so i didn't break the law because i know i did that but you know that's the point like there's it's never even a word yeah it doesn't matter but like it's a formality now past generations it was an expectation and it was always delivered something came to the doorstep and they had to do it yeah and you found upon if you didn't do it i was talking with jim lawler about this and i think he may have said some of this on camera but we talked about a lot off camera because he had he had really good politics or he had really decent hands-off politics is how i want to say it you know he

talked about how at the cia he didn't even know anyone's politics for for his whole career like he wouldn't have even known and he's like you know because he still hangs around them says he's out but you know lives four miles from cia and goes there for happy hour and shit but like he they know each other's politics now yeah it's kind of weird it's become it's become like a a requirement like a requirement in the sense of like pledge your squad right like like know where you stand yeah it's not good no it's not good. No. It's not good. But listen, hopefully we all figure it out. I try to remain optimistic. We'll see what happens.

But glad we could do this. Your last episode of the year, brother. Dude, we did it. Good entertaining time. Folks, happy fucking New Year, baby. Happy fucking New Year. Let's make this one a good one. No pandemies.

No more Sam Bankman frees uh it's never gonna happen this might be the worst year yet actually all right let's no i'm kidding i'm kidding we're not going in with that energy we're not going in it's gonna be a good year all right bro well you you had a lot of success and i don't want to leave without this you had a lot of success in edinburgh too which congratulations on thank you edinburgh actually i learned edinburgh edinburgh edinburgh biggest festival in the world so congratulations on all that i would love to in addition to your movie that you're getting developed i would love to see that play get developed we have the whole play filmed

we're gonna put it online we're gonna do one more run in new york this spring it's looking like beautiful and we'll be in touch about it but in my in my breath i want to say congratulations to you even since i came on just maybe what was it like five or six months ago yeah things have grown very very largely so i i congratulate you too dude you're doing the damn thing it's really awesome i admire from like one person to another you're fucking building it So I very much appreciate that. Hey Elon take some fucking notes my boy. Take some notes Let's not do that. Don't take notes for me But hey, I appreciate that man, and I always admire the people who are building on their end to do right back at you, man Merry Christmas. Happy New Year. Yes, sir. Same goes to everyone else. Merry Chrysler. Merry Chrysler

Merry Chrysler mug there and to everybody else you know what it is give it a thought get back to me peace