Julian Dorey Podcast - [VIDEO] - FBI Agent REACTS to Trump Assassination Attempt | Jim DiOrio & Julian Dorey

Episode Date: July 16, 2024

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What's up guys? If you're on Spotify right now, please follow the show so that you don't miss any future episodes and leave a five-star review. Thank you. We are here. We're going to be talking about it. We'll get this party rolling. I am here with Jim DiIorio. Shout out special agent Jim. Thanks for joining me, sir. Glad to be here. Glad to be here. Yeah, this was always, this was a last minute podcast that we wanted to do. I am going to be producing today as well because Alessi is out on Mondays, so it is me working over here. So just bear with me on that, and we're going to get right into it and get this party started.

So I guess the first thing, Jim, is where were you on Saturday when this went down? Oh, yeah. So flying back from Tampa, boarded. We're sitting there, 6-11 flight, heading back up this way. And a guy behind me says, holy shit, they're shooting at him. Trump just got shot at. And then everybody went dark.

Everybody kind of, we lost. People were trying to get Wi-Fi. And I start getting, my phone just starts up um with a bunch of different stuff like bad information guy across from me is like yeah it was just a shot it hit like the um you know it hit a piece of glass and uh it shot into his eye so i'm like okay we gotta stop you know so really was out of touch for a couple hours but um doing the best i could to kind of get messages and get information from people and, you know, getting a lot of different, definitely getting a lot of different mixed messages as to what the status was. We knew he was still alive, but we weren't sure exactly what the extent of the injuries or what happened. So long flight, a couple hour flight.

By the time I got off, you know know we kind of got caught up pretty quickly so i had told you off air and then i had also talked about this on my live last night something's wrong my headphones i'll fix them in a minute i had talked about it on my live last night how a lot of the guys i spoke with mentioned that this was the minute a bullet flew, it was a failure. So you are, among many other things, a security expert. And looking at the outline here and the fact that they were only really advising on inside of 400 feet, how would you have done that perimeter ahead of the event itself? How far would you have done that perimeter ahead of the event itself? How far would you have looked at? I think the key to this and the key to everything, whether it be the military, whether it be with FBI or with any other federal agency, Secret Service, the advance party really guides the way these things go. They set the tone. Keep in mind, in this instance, I thought there was a lot of things that I saw that were great.

Um, there were a bunch of things that I think we could do better and I'm not going to rip a fellow agency, a sister agency, but there's a lot of things that we, um, well, I'm going to rip them. There's a lot of things that were really shitty, right? So from my, from my standpoint, it all starts with the advanced team and they're busy right now. I mean, he's flying all over the place. Keep in mind, he's a former president. He's not the current president. I think, you know, it's a little bit of a different outlook when we think about an assessment, whether it be site surveys, which are the physical assessment of the area, whether it just be your interviews or your check in social media or your different chatter that we kind of want to be exposed to, the different intel, the source interviews, and all those things that go with that is not as significant because of resource, money, having to push it up the ladder, having to make better decisions to keep within budget.

So you'll see a lot of times those formers, you know, like Jimmy Carter, who has beat. I mean, when I go into hospice, I would like to go to the Jimmy Carter hospice territory, whatever that looks like. But but so you're not going to get a lot of a lot of people that are going to be actually assigned to the formers. Now, Trump's active. He's running for president. It's a little bit different, but let's just compare it quickly to RFK Jr., right? So RFK Jr. has been applying for and asking for Secret Service protection for a couple of years. Now, I think Andy has talked about this, that we actually put in a proposal for RFK Jr.'s security a few years. Even Andy Bustamante? Andy Bustamante, yeah. We put it in like a year or two ago and never heard back. So we think we might start hearing a bunch of things here

in the very near future. But like your advanced party is the key. And what do they have? What's their requirement is to make those types of decisions, to look around that perimeter. Here's where the stage is going to be set up. Here's where we're going to have the teleprompters, which is what that guy said. You know, a bullet hit the glass on the teleprompter and it bounced off and just hit hit Trump's ear.

OK, but my thought is, what did that advance party do? What was their guidance? Who was worried? What's better than a well-marbled ribeye sizzling on the barbecue? A well-marbled ribeye sizzling on the barbecue that was carefully selected by an Instacart shopper and delivered to your door. A well-marbled ribeye you ordered without even leaving the kiddie pool. Whatever groceries your summer calls for, Instacart has you covered. Download the Instacart app and enjoy $0 delivery fees on your first three orders. Service fees, exclusions, and terms apply. Instacart. Grocer $0 delivery fees on your first three orders. Service fees, exclusions, and terms apply. Instacart, groceries that over-deliver.

King on that advanced part. How senior were they? How experienced were they in checking out venues, checking out outside venues especially? And if nothing else happens, I don't really look at the amount, the yardage or the meters or the feet from the stage. I look at high ground, low ground, right? So there should never be a time where any building or any area that's higher than the stage, the dais, should ever not be secured. Now, I don't mean it has to be, you have to have somebody up on that area, but you definitely have to reduce access. You have to not allow anyone to get near that or at least have a local, you know, police officer, have a county police officer, sheriff, have a state police officer, have another federal agency that's aware of those particular areas.

And they're talked about and the communications are talked about how are we going to make sure that no one gets to those spots and god forbid if they do get to those spots how much quicker of a reaction do we need to have to get them the fuck off those spots that's right period that did not in my opinion now i i wasn't in the meetings i've done meetings like this my whole career i I have to believe that had to be talked about. Now, what did the advance party look like? That's the first question I would ask. People were asking this Senate hearing or this, you know, this House hearing.

They're going to talk to the Secret Service director. And what's the first question to be asked? Who did the advance? That would be my first question. Who did the advance? I want names. I want experience. I want where they were assigned before, what did before how many vulnerability assessments how many risk assessments when did

that happen i want to know i want to see it that's the first question i also want to know though who was how it was divvied up because you had outside of a certain perimeter you had the local police handling it and yet they're all supposed to be on like the same radio frequency and shit like that, because this is an event that they're all working together. But you essentially, it's almost like having a baseball team and a football team, you know, go do their thing on training camp and then say, we're going to do training camp together. That's how it feels to me. That's always been a thought and a problem. But you look at companies that have actually taken that and used tech in order to perfect that.

Communications, yes. Does the fire department talk differently than the EMS, who talks differently than the police department, talks differently than the federal government, who talks differently than federal law enforcement? Probably, to an extent of how they name things, how they talk about things. But comms have become so much better because you've got companies like Mike Rogers, who Mike Rogers runs CRG, right? So it's basically one map that perfects the comms so that everybody's talking the same language. So whether or not you divvy up the responsibilities doesn't really matter as long as everyone is aware of who's working where and doing what. It's almost like a grid. We do it in a grid.

It's the same as if you have a major case, if you have a kidnapping, if you have a watch list and you're looking in a particular area, everybody knows their grid. Once that grid's checked off, then we know, okay, we've gotten through K1 through K10. Now we're moving, we're moving into L, right? And we're moving to the next, very systematic. So again, I have to believe that that was in place. I just don't know why that high ground was not watched. You know, one of my buddies today from West Point, he sent me a text. He said, dude, as a brand new second lieutenant coming right out of commissioning, the first thing you're taught is to take the high ground. That's the key.

You know, so why did no one take that high ground? Why did nobody watch that high ground? That's my concern. Comms, I think, were probably pretty good as to who was where and doing what. Yeah. Just that they didn't have that. That wasn't part of that advanced risk assessment, site survey what does this look like i had talked to a couple people today off the record and i know our other guy did as well that seemed to be pointing to the fact that a lot of this boiled down to not necessarily not having sights on

these things once it was happening but a lack of action when when they had the opportunity this guy was crawling on the roof for at least seven to eight minutes and on that note actually he accessed this via a ladder that does not show up on google maps when you when you pull up the satellite imagery of it which means it has been put there recently and there's speculation that he may have put it there so how far for like security in an event like this obviously they have like a place where people come in maybe that's 400 feet out whatever So let's say this ladder is outside that perimeter. On the day of, shouldn't you be assessing all accesses to buildings in that area to make sure that, you know, someone's not staring through a window or could get access to a roof or something like that? I.e. they'd see something like that ladder and say, well, we got a fucking problem right here. Absolutely.

And you make a great point. And, you know, I, I, I don't want to talk much about my, my federal government law enforcement time, because I think that would probably violate some, well, do I ever really give a shit about violating anything? Not really, but I'll talk about it from my perspective. When I first opened the company, right, we, we got the chance to do Maxim, Maxim Superbowl parties. So we did one in Atlanta, one in Miami, right? Even there, even there when, you know, most of these guys have their own security person, whether it be the talent or whether it be the people that are the patrons going to these things. Yet we still did, we still did a month out. We did two weeks out. We did the week out every day of the week before we did assessments of the venue. We did it hours before we did it minutes before there was there was nothing about that venue that we didn't know. Okay. Now, I understand people were going to say, well, you know, it's one. It's the Super Bowl once a year. I understand that. But these this is what these guys and girls do for a living. That's right. This is what they do. I mean, they definitely have they have a big cyber presence now. Secret Service. They always have had the credit card fraud as a as a requirement and as something that they do. I mean, they definitely have a big cyber presence now, Secret Service. They always have had the credit card fraud as a requirement and as something that they do.

But their main thing is protecting people, protecting all people within elected or appointed officials, right? So that's what they do for a living. So my thought, and I want to say this because, again, with a retired or an out-of-office or a former, this is a weird – I don't know how many times this has happened before, right, where you have a person who's now running again for the office after he was the president, right? So it's different. And I don't know that – I would hope service had something in place where they had some type of SOP, some standard operating procedure that said, well, this is a little different, right? This guy does have more exposure. Yet, when I look at RFK Jr., who has asked for protection numerous times and has been denied, I wonder if the same thing kind of happened along the way here. I know he has asked for more.

I don't think he's gotten more. And those guys and girls that are doing this, these secret service agents, they do it. They do a marvelous job. I mean, they do what they, as much as they can with very little, whether it be resources. Well, I mean, yeah, I mean, like, like we've, we've talked about way back, me and you, you know, I mean, you got people that work, people that don't work. You got the box makers, the ice, the, uh, the lemon ice distributors, and you've got people that do the work.

Of course. Of course. You said something that this guy's crawling on six, seven, eight minutes and nobody's doing anything. When I think about that, I think I can go back to times in my life where I've experienced that. I can think about just simple things like people who have been involved or been present or witnessed the school shootings. They said, I thought there were firecrackers going off in the hallway. Let me tell you something, folks. If you're in a school or in an office building and you hear fireworks going off, it's a fucking gun, period. People are shooting at you, right? Same thing there. You watch and you're like,

I'm not really sure. It could be don't. If you see something, say something. People were saying something here. They were saying something. But the expectation is that law enforcement, security experts, Secret Service have it under control, right? When you go to an event like this, you go through magnetometers. You get wanded. You're being watched. You're being facial recognition present. All these things.

So your thought process is, I'm safe. This is the safest point I'm ever going to be, right? I'm good to go. So you're not really thinking about, oh, wow, what could happen beyond this, right? So when people see something, they're not putting it together right away. They're really not. So that's, I think that's part of the issue here. Nothing, there was no contingency plan in place, in my opinion. I don't know. I wasn't in on these meetings that said, hey, what if someone screams out? There's a dude on the roof with a gun. What do we do?

What do we do? Well, they didn't have that plan. And have you seen this video I just put up on the screen from BBC? I don't think so. All right. I want you to watch this. We're going to watch this. We got it. All right. But want you to watch this. We're going to watch this. We got it.

All right. But basically what that – I'll edit that out afterwards. What that guy is saying is that you have people behind who were not in the rally who were effectively, I guess, like having a party. Yeah, just hanging out behind the scenes. Yeah, behind the venue and they're right by law enforcement they're being told they're they're they're seeing the guy go onto the roof they are telling law enforcement and there's no protocol for law enforcement to radio that in or get that to secret service and be like hey we got a guy on the roof and they also this guy also went on to say we all told him he had a gun too yes we could see it and he was crawling around

up there for a bunch of time right so it So it goes back to it. What was the contingency plan? What did that look like? Did somebody talk about that? Did somebody talk about, did somebody say, Hey, let me ask you something. If they're not in the venue, but they're behind and they just want to watch it from afar, what do we do if they call out some type of risk or some type of vulnerability? Hey, I think that guy has a gun and he's up on the roof. He's not just trying to watch, you know, what's going on from the rooftop. He's really not, you know, he's not climbing up in the tree to check it out and see, hey, what's going on over there? He knows what's going on over there. What was the contingency in place

for them to talk more about that? I don't, I don't know. Again, I'm not sure I wasn't in the meetings, but damn, I mean, there's gotta be where there's a briefing. If it's local, if it's state who who's ever handling that area. And there's always a liaison from federal law enforcement back there that's saying, okay, I'm going to, I'm going to quarterback this right on a quarterback this. So why did that not get relayed to the people that were in touch with the sniper or with the spotter, more importantly, or whatever they had up in the air? I have to imagine they had some type of support in the air. It's a pretty controversial presidential campaign.

You know, everyone is, but this guy is really drawn to, I think, more threats than anybody else has had in a long time. So why are we not, why do we not have all these things in place? My opinion sometimes, Julian, is that we have so much going on. They're moving and shaking. They're all over the place all the time that we fall short on the advance party. I can tell you from my experience what brought RFK to us, what brought people who were concerned about RFK to us was that he, he didn't even know this, but some of the people on his security team were allowing venues to do the advance. So, you know, like, oh, we're just doing a little bit of a

meeting, a gathering in a hotel room in Manhattan or a whole, you know, a ballroom in Manhattan. So we'll just rely on the security from the hotel to give us where potentially there's some risk. That's a mistake. Because we don't have a lot, we're trying to save money in the campaign. We're trying not to, what's the last thing? I know you laugh at my Lipitor comments, but what's the, oh my God, I can't believe I did that. But anyway, but if you're 2024, 2024, I'm ready. But if you think about what goes, what's always last is, and what always saves money is, you know, we don't need dates and guards. We don't need an advanced team until some shit happens. Right.

And in this case, shit happened. And I don't think there was a contingency plan behind the wall for lack of better term you know they do look at it from a distance right okay you know the shooter's got to be a marksman or a sharp shooter he's got to be you know within he's got to be able to hit something within 1200 feet or whatever it looks like it doesn't matter it's still the high ground you you have to get someone there on the high ground you have to know this is the only spot somebody can hit this guy from if he's in this particular spot if he's up here it can't be a lot of spots it can't be they're ready they got everything within this the small area squared up right i mean like i hear people giving up some of

the you know some of the secrets i mean basically have anywhere you see banners it's a steel it's a bulletproof steel wall right so that's why you see the president get pushed down right away that's why that's why get him behind that right you know immediately so if there is a threat in front or around that is immediately covered but you know i mean i i just it boggles my mind that somebody got a shot or shot got seven shots or whatever the hell he got off yeah and killed other killed other people. Like, like I, like I was telling you that the, the active secret, secret service agent that I talked with yesterday, I had some real thoughts about that.

And his line was like the minute a bullet flew, it was a failure. And, you know, once that happens, you do have to react to it though. Right. And now you can't change the fact that that's happened,

but your job is to get shit taken care of. And you look at what they did at first to me you look at the dog pile that happens on top of them that all looked pretty clean right they're completely covering great job getting to them less than three seconds yeah they're on them that's that's enormous that's pretty good so they have them down and i think it was a period of about 60, 65 seconds they're down there with him. And then they say, okay, shoot her down. You hear them say through the mic we can hear the confirmation. But it's like shoot her down, and suddenly they're like, okay, we can get up. Where are we going?

All right, we're going to move him to the cruiser. But when they bring him up, the guy is 6'3", 235 pounds. What? We mean, what? 235, come on. So he's a big dude. He's a big boy. I understand that, like, not all secret security, secret, I keep wanting to call him secret security.

No, I got you. But all the secret service people are not necessarily 6'3". But they keep them there. They stand them up. And essentially, it was like a slow pack movement. And the only thing you would see is like a little hand coming up like over his face, almost like a fly swatter. And I'm thinking to myself, if you got a sniper somewhere or even if you have someone right down below, you know, in the. You don't know what's

what at that point you have no idea who's who or what what's going on you know that the you know that the shooter the proposed or the alleged shooter is down right so you know he's no longer a threat but you don't know what else is around so it's it's more i think we were talking about this before it's more of a get him the fuck out of there as quickly as get him off the x as quick as he can you know it's what bustamante talk and I talk about all the time, getting people off the X and their business and their life, whatever they're doing. Right. So in this instance, it's gotta be, I understand, I understand the staying down until they get the all clear. I get that right. Staying on top of them. I thought they did a really good job there. And again, Monday morning quarterback

and is easy, right? I consider and say, ah, they, I would have done, I don't know. I think I probably would have done exactly what they did initially, right? Then we've got to get him off the X. We've got to get him off the X. We can't be running around trying to holster our weapons. We can't be running around fixing this or allowing him, you know, we were laughing because he was like, hey, I need to get my shoes. I'd be like, you can fire me later, but you ain't getting your fucking shoes. You know what I mean? We got to go and we got to get you in this vehicle and the hell out of it. Right. I loved whoever, I don't know.

I don't know if it was, it was service uniform guys, or it was actually like SWAT team, like Pennsylvania state police is who I would think they're a really well-trained good team. When you saw the couple of SWAT guys or the rescue team guys, they're, they're up on the stage in two seconds and they're scanning immediately. They're scanning, they're scanning all the time. Right. So they're, they've got that section around, um, you know, one of my friends brought up, will they ever sit anybody behind the stage ever again? You know, I mean, I'm,

I'm not laughing, but I don't think so. I mean, I think that's something that's got to go away. If you have a good, that's another thing. How, how does vulnerability assessment, risk assessment outdoor? I'm not talking, this isn't an indoor venue where you've got an arena and you know, okay, these are the only places. We've got the magnetometers. We've got people, we've got facial recognition inside. Outdoors, any outdoor venue, I don't think should ever have anybody sitting

behind the stage ever again. My heart is, my dad was a fireman, as you guys know. My heart goes out to this guy. 50 years old, a fireman, a service-oriented guy, 50 years old, you know, a fireman, a service oriented guy, um, you know, his two daughters, I mean, he's lost, he's, he's lost to them. That's it. That's a tragedy. That's a heroic guy. So you, to be clear, you're talking about the entire thing. When you say behind the stage, you're talking about all the bleachers and all this, because there's a, you know, there's the, there's the photographer's pen in front of him,

but then there's a pen right behind him in between where the bleachers are correct and what was a little strange i i mean i don't know if it was strange it just happened to be like if you see the video right from behind like right before the shots happened in the one minute leading up to it there were agents telling some people in the pen to clear that part of the pen and i'm like why are they even there in the first place? You know what I mean? It's like right on top of them. Yeah, I don't understand that for an outdoor venue.

I just don't get it. And I've seen it happen before. I mean, the one they just had in Wildwood, in Wildwood Crest, and then they had another one down in Cape May or wherever the hell it was a couple of years ago for him. You know, it's just a much more vulnerable event. And we need to do a better job. We need to send more people.

Now, let's talk a little bit about the process of getting more, right? Getting more. I can tell you, government, you know, the bureaucracy, the red tape, it's horrific, right? I could ask. I'd always ask for as much as I thought was possible and get one-tenth of what I asked for. And I was thinking I was being more conservative. Hey, I need 60 agents to do this takedown, right? And all said and done, I'd be like, man, I really need 100, but I'll ask for 60 and I know they'll give it to me.

You know, 12 agents later, we're out rocking and rolling. You know what I mean? So if you think about that, you know, I don't know what the current president gets. Um, but I got a couple of buddies that are, that are right on top of him now. Um, and you know, I think about that eventually we're gonna have that conversation, but with, with your either former or your, or your retired, uh, presidents, um, I just don't think you're going to get that juice. Most of those people, I shouldn't say this. I don't know. But I'm thinking a lot of those people, that's like, it's kind of a bonus. It's kind of a thank you to the older Secret Service. You know, I'm thinking about it. Chris Morgan's dad, you know, Chris is retired, right? So if you think

about it, like, I think that's like, hey, thank you so much. You're going to go hang with whoever in the Hamptons or whatever. Or Jimmy Carter in hospice. You're going to be with Jimmy Carter for the next five years when he's in hospice, that kind of thing. But he's still asking for a hammer. He wants to build houses. But my thought is that's what you're kind of going to get there. And then I think you're going to get newer agents to the protection program, right? They all have to rotate back and do protection. They always do protection in the area. So if you're a New York agent, Secret Service agent, and someone comes

to New York City, then you're going to be responsible for that protection. He's going to have the team with him too, but you're going to be the responsible person to advance all those things. But when you're in a former or a retired, it's a good place to learn those kinds of things. It's a good place to learn how to do a site survey, how to do a vulnerability and risk assessment, how to look at areas and communicate with locals to decide where they found issues in that particular area, whether it be are there threats, are there groups, is, whether it be, are there threats? Are there groups? Is there social media posting? Is there chatter? Have we interviewed the people that have made threats? Have we done all of that? Right. And that's a great thing for a new agent to learn the area where they're at and to, to make, you know, to learn how to do interviews quite frankly. So,

um, the tactics are always, I've always services always been great with tactics. But man, it was a little shocking to see the, they fell, some of them fell apart a little bit. You know, when we, I mean, I thought, I thought Trump was the, I thought Trump looked like a combat guy. You know, he was right there, man. He was ready to rock and roll. Some people run towards the shots. Some people run away from the shots. Some people just stand there, right? I saw a lot of just standing there.

You know, I saw a lot of just standing there waiting, waiting, you know, same issue. We've had school shootings. People show up and they're like, oh shit, I'm not going to go. Hey, you got to, you got to jump in. That's why they changed it. They changed school shootings from waiting on a team to go into. If you're the first one there, guess what? You're in.

It's time. Yeah. You know what I mean? I, I purposely delayed one time there was a murder down in atlantic city figuring my my people would get there first who do you think the first one there was yep yep exactly you know so it's just the way it works out and i was i i engaged immediately i jumped in the fire i'm not going to stand outside the fire i saw someone standing outside the fire after the fact thought Thought they did a great job getting on him. I don't know what the communication was.

I don't know if they heard all clear or we've got the shooter down. Whatever they heard, I get. But they're still a threat. Well, there were two problems here, though, too, even with that. Not necessarily the people who were jumping on him right on the scene with the Secret Service. But on the one hand, there was an officer who first encountered the shooter on the scene with the secret service but on the one hand there was an officer who first encountered the shooter on the roof so he had the officer went up that ladder that the shooter had accessed and he when when he got up it the shooter turned the gun towards him and he went back down the ladder or he slipped or something right well he retreated or retreated my first question is like there why are you not engaged you're going up to see a shooter like you should have your

fucking gun engaged right like you can do one hand on the ladder and have your gun out and like take some cover that's number one number two and this has to be said there are a lot of bad memes going on out there with some of the women who were by the stage and you know my whole thing with jobs like this i was talking with remi adeleke on the phone about this this morning and he was livid about this stuff is like you got to get the best people to do it you can't just hire a woman to have a woman there now like we've had evie in here and obviously like amazing evie's amazing that's a square yep evie Every foxhole all day, every day. Absolutely. But like you are counting on people who are going to be able to cover you,

who are going to have to do serious physical things. And, you know, I don't want to like sit here and rip these women to shreds who happen to be there. But like, I mean, it looked like a fucking Reno nine one one episode. Yeah. I mean, you know, I look at it and I think there was a lot of that. Not just the women. There was a lot of that. You know, there was a little bit off there. But, you know, the thing is, man, this is kind of a slippery slope, right?

So, I mean, you look at this director who's going to get questioned, right? You look at the focus of many federal agencies in the last four years have been this DEI, right? So it's really what it comes down to, the diversity. What is it? Diversity, equality. Equity and inclusion. Yeah. So I don't even know it. See that? So that's how my time was in the federal government and the army. But you respect that. But at the same time, there needs to be a standard that allows to do those things if i have to if i have to protect a six foot three 235 pounds i've got to be able to handle that you know he's he's too dude he come up he's 270 um

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He's lost some weight. Jim D'Orio and Donald Trump have both lost some weight. Okay, so he's 270. He lost some weight. He's no longer 285. Yeah, we've gotten our act together here. But my thought is you've got to be able to do those things thought is you've got to be able to do those things, and you've got to be able to do those things if need be by yourself.

You know, if the team, if there's, I mean, look at Reagan, right? I mean, look at the Reagan attempted assassination. Oh, yeah. That shit went bad like that, right? And had it not been for his guy, his main guy who knew him, like the back of his hand checking under that shirt, he's dead. Oh, yeah. They go back to the White House. He slow bleeds out overnight. That's it. It's over. Right. But that guy just knew something was up. He felt a little hole. He took him and did his thing. Same thing there. Like you don't get as familiar. And I don't know how many of these

agents were permanent fixtures on the Trump. That's a good question. Security deal. Or if they were people that got tasked out from the Pittsburgh or from the Philadelphia, wherever that was closest to, were they people that got tasked there? So they don't have time to practice with each other. They don't have time you spend with each other, knowing who's who and knowing the strengths of this one versus that one, knowing who's going to run towards and run and freeze. If that happens, it's critical. So I'd love to know that via another question,

the people that were there, who has been around him and the way he is the longest and who has come in from a locale, from a venue, from an office, from a field office, and now he's just learning him for the day. Yeah. So, and, and what were the comms like? And, and think about it, man, like everything else in life. If I'm, if I'm with the president, if I'm with Trump all the time, right? He knows my name. He knows who I am. But if I'm not, I'm a little, I'm like, fuck that guy. You know what I mean? Like not, not the president, but the other secret service agents like, oh, they're, they're bossing me around. This is my area. I'm here in Pennsylvania. I do this. No, it's not the way it is. You got to take the lead off of the guys and know

what his tendencies are, what he's going to do. I mean, it's not the way it is. You've got to take the lead off of the guys and know what his tendencies are, what he's going to do. The most amazing thing there is the gunshots are one thing, Julian, but the fact that they quickly recognized his just off to, and then looking and were on him. If you watch the guy

from, as you're facing him, looking from most of the camera angles if you look how quick the guy from the left got on top of him that's that's some good shit right there yeah that's some good shit and that's yeah that was the one good thing and dude the other thing is like they don't know if there's i mean there was a lot of shots you know bustamante makes a good point in his piece where he talks about a trained shooter versus an untrained shooter. Right. So the guy takes three shots, doesn't hit what he wants to hit. So then he just starts shooting. Fuck it. I'm just going to light it up. That's not a trained shooter.

Thank God. Yeah. But again, most of the untrained shooters versus a trained law enforcement officer, a lot of times those dudes get really lucky. Yeah. Really lucky. So those are the kinds of things that run through my mind. And I'm pissed off about this. Of course. I'm pissed off about not doing the job,

not doing the advanced job. I'm putting somebody's life in danger because of whatever reason. I don't know what the reason was. We'll find out, I guess. I don't know what the reason was. We'll find out, I guess. I don't know if we'll ever find out. Somebody will find out. I think that we'll probably never know the full story here. I agree.

And there's some parts of it that seem a little sinister for sure. Like how some idiot 20-year-old get access to a roof like that. It's more than just a breakdown in most cases like that i'm not saying that i know something happened but it certainly makes you question stuff but what i can't get over is the gravity of pun intended the bullet that we just missed because you know i talked about it in that live last night but i mean it's a real potential franz ferdinand moment you know franz ferdinand archduke austria it was world war one he was the guy who was murdered in the streets and that set off the entire thing when i look at this everyone likes to talk about like oh there'd be a constitutional crisis we'd have the civil

problems here that would be the least of the worries, I think, in my book, because you we already have a president who's not doing too well. Now, his main opponent, who was clearly in this case, if he had been killed, was going to win. The election has been taken out. He was previously already the president. There's relationships around the world with each of those two guys, their own little cliques. And you have all these interconnected countries now and interconnected economies to say nothing of that. I mean, that's obviously like the core of every war. And there's two main wars going on that us, other countries, and everyone and their mother is funding and has some sort of weird vested interest in. It's a pipe bomb. Absolutely. Absolutely. That quickly, this 20-year-old wacko could knock that down. You make a great point there. And the thing I think about too is I've said this before, you and I have talked about this a lot and we've talked about it on the air. There's really a solution to these types of nuts, right? There's really a solution to the school shooting problem, but it's about money and it's about people not waiving the ability to do this. And what have I said before? If you walked

into a school district, if you walked into any school district, if you walked into Somerville, New Jersey high school and talked to the superintendent and you said to him, give me your most popular principal or your most popular administrator, your most popular guidance counselor, most popular coach, a teacher, and somebody on the staff, on the support staff that the kids love. And I walked them in and independently said, give me the five kids that you are going to shoot this school up. They gave me the same five names, guaranteed. What would I do with that? I'd take it. I go to parents. I get waivers that we can monitor their social media, that I can interview them, and I can keep my eye on them. That would reduce a lot of issues. I'm confident in that, right? So same thing here. How do you not, if I'm going, what was the, was it Bedford? Butler. and I've got the advance and I've been tasked, I've gotten a ticket on the advance to do that. I'm talking to as many people as I can.

Now, if you think about that kid, I've seen some videos on this kid, right? Like screaming and yelling at people. You've got friends that have said like he was a loner. He was a weirdo. He was bullied his whole life. Did you see what he said in that one video? No.

I didn't see it. I've heard about it. There's a video of him in the street looking like a screamo band. Okay okay where he's walking by people going oh my friend is broke and he's talking about trump so when i look at that i'm like immediately that's supposed to be the secret service like when something like that is caught on video i would imagine it had been public before that because it's like i mean it's not funny now but it was I'm sure it's funny to people at the time. I mean, they posted it on the Internet.

Of course, isn't that supposed to be a direct threat at a president is supposed to be investigated? One billion percent. And the thing is, if we had and the service has that cyber capability to monitor that stuff. I mean, gee whiz, we work for clients, you know, everyday spy with J3 Global. We work with clients that we monitor that stuff for them. We go out and talk to people or ask people, what did you mean by X or Y? That's what's supposed to happen in these areas. So is it that the service no longer has the resources to do that?

Are they understaffed like every other federal agency? I'm sure. But that's the way you have to uncover you, you have to uncover every single, every single glue. You've got to be lid tight. When that dude walks onto that stage lid tight, and you've got to know if I, but this, if there's somebody screaming, there's dude looking to shoot, you better have some contingency plan in place.

That's and the cop, the cop that walks up the stairs. I don't know what, what kind of day he had that small that morning. He's climbing up the ladder or you're looking, Hey,rg or whatever the company was uh is there always been a ladder outside like this like why is nobody anyway all right i uh i'm getting fired no i i i love it but that's the way i am i i can't help it i love that you get fired up about this stuff and and it's not any different than a lot of phone calls i've had with people from your neck of the woods over the past couple of days. Everyone's fired up. There's people who were warning that something like this could happen.

Now, does that mean that people were predicting that security would have the type of breakdowns it does and we'd have that type of situation? No. But the danger has always been there. Trump is easily like the most public candidate that has ever, ever run for office on any kind. He does more rallies, more things in the open than anyone else. He's the most vocal. Yes. You know, consistently most vocal.

A hundred percent. So, you know, it seems to me like now we have this, call it a hundred days heading into an election where obviously security is going to be beefed up. But how like to your knowledge, how does it work behind the scenes where, you know, now Secret Service is going to want to treat him with kid gloves? But Trump may say, no, I don't want to do this or not want to do that. For example, if they come to him and they say, we want you to be in the Pope box, you know, like the Pope glass box, and he says, fuck that, can they tell him too bad? Good luck trying. That's what I would say.

Good luck trying. I mean, I think the answer there, and again, I look at the service, what they did on that stage. I love it. I mean, I really do. I love the whole piece. I mean, the one picture that stands out to me is whoever took that picture, it's a great shot.

And it's kind of him up close and he's kind of down on the ground. And that's the humanity in this guy. Yeah, where he's feeling his face. But he's a combat veteran now. He's a combat veteran. He's been shot at. Yeah. He's been shot at.

Right? So when I think about what he's going and what he's doing and what his outlook is on this, hey, I'm going forward. Whatever happens, you guys do your job and you fund it so that the job is done properly. So those Secret Service people, yes, we can go back and second guess. We can go back and say they should have, they would have, they could have. But at the same time, we don't know if their hands were tied. So I want to give my brothers and sisters there the really benefit of the doubt.

Would I have done some things differently? I like to think I would have. My track record says I would have. Yes. But I don't know that I would have at this point. I don't know. I think I would. But I think that's the thing.

I want to make sure we understand that a lot of that is not a requirement and it should be. What I mean is, is it a requirement to go out and do that extra step about the ladder or talk to the company or look on that roof and say, is there any chance? What does it look like from perspective? If I was shooting at that stage, could I get a shot off? Would it be an effective shot? I would do that, but I'm not saying that that's a requirement or maybe it's not within their ability to do that right now. That's what the secret service director needs to be questioned on. You know, have you, you've obviously declined to do, to protect. I mean, some of the most, look at RFK, look at the Kennedy record.

How are you not all over that guy? How is that dude not in the poke box? And how does he not have an advanced team? You know, I mean, this piece is, it'll bother me for the rest of the time. Thinking about the fact that, I mean, Trump was, it wasn't much. That's it. He's dead. And he's dead before he hits the stage.

He's dead before he hits the stage. Because that's going to separate at the stem. He cocked his head just like that just to look at the to look at the screen behind him and it's not perfect there were people trying to do drawings on twitter so we need to take that with a grain of salt but essentially like if you look at the the path of the bullet and then you look at his his brain like where it would have been if he doesn't turn like that the bullet like if he had stayed here the bullet comes in and clips like the back of his head like that and probably kills him that's the separation yes you get separation from the spinal column yeah so we we were that close which is very scary but you say like and it's nice you to be humble like oh i

don't know what i if i would have done this different or wouldn't have. The problem is also like you're one guy. Like, I don't know how many, if they've released this yet, like how many, I don't know if they would ever even release this. How many people were on the team that day just from the Secret Service? Not even accounting for like some of the people that are. I'd like to see that number. I don't think it's as many as people would think, which is scary. Yeah.

It's scary because again, it's that mix. It's the people who travel with him all the time, and it's the jurisdiction. It's the area. He comes into New York. I mean, my buddy Anthony, who's in charge of the Secret Service there in New York, he's going to be all over him all the time. So he knows Anthony because he lives there, right? But he also has his team that travels as well. So that's

a beautiful mix, but in Butler PA, he doesn't have the benefit of that. He has a lot of locals and state who are amazingly professional law enforcement people, you know, every five minutes for a fundraiser like New York does or LA does or wherever else does, you know? So, I mean, I think that's, that's definitely something that needs to be, I mean, I think that's, that's definitely something that needs to be looked at. And I think it's something that we can learn from and hopefully get better at, hopefully perfect with the next secret service director. Cause I mean, she's got to go, right? I mean, she's got to go. So will they, I don't know, but she should. What was that Elon tweet? Like right when it happened, he's like, so let me get this straight.

She was previously the director of security for Pepsi. he's like, so let me get this straight. She was previously the director of security for Pepsi. So he goes, so let me get this straight. Before she was doing this job, she was guarding bags of Cheetos. There you go. That's it. Yeah, exactly. I do have a problem with, you know, like, again, you got to hire the best people to do the job. And when you have someone come in and say, I want to make 30% of the secret service force women. Listen, it's great to have female agents.

Yes. They got to be qualified. That's all. They can't. And guys got to be qualified too. Yeah. They can't look like Plaxico Burris out there. And that's what we got. That's essentially what we got. That's a great, that is a great reference. Can't have your sweatpants with your nine millimeter in it because it could go off. It could go off. So, I mean, that's, and that's just, that's repetitive training. That's things that, you know, your law enforcement professionals, and I'm not saying that these people are not law enforcement professionals by any means, but it's, it's practice, it's repetition. It's putting these things into your life so that that's a natural tendency for you to holster the weapon, to scan when you're doing that.

You can't be looking at your holster. We learn that over and over again. You look at your holster when you're holstering, you're going to fire off 50 more shotgun blasts. They're going to put it against your elbow. They're going to put it against your shoulder and just fire slogos for the rest of the day. I don't think they probably do that anymore at Quantico, but that's the way it used to be. So it's kind of like it's got to be a little reinforcement. So I'd never look at my damn holster.

Even now, I won't look at it. Not that I use a holster. Oh, you don't? Yeah, just go right in the pocket. Just in the pocket. What's the difference? Shoot right through the pocket. Wreck a pair of shorts.

Actually, I like these shorts, so I wouldn't do it now. But unless somebody came in took us over here i wish we could tell some of the stories about places you've been with weaponry people we can't publicly but jim likes to jim likes to test to see how bad security is i love go make a point to them i think that's the most effective way if i can get in and put a unload it as we've always talked about unload it, check the 150 times I used to be when I first, I checked it 50 times. Now it's 150 times cause I'm getting older and I'm not sure if it's my weapon sometimes. I'm

like, is that mine? Um, but, um, I think that's, that's something that you're losing some of that when you have these campaign years and he is a traveler he's going to get around i mean they locked him up during the trial so long that he couldn't get out and about he was in new york right so that's easier for security but you know the things that stick out to me or stand out to me or the fact that a guy like rfk jr how do you not have an advanced me how do you have other people that you haven't even background checked doing your advance at a hotel? No, no, this dance floor is perfect. You're going to be fine.

Come on out, Bobby. I mean, go through the kitchen. I mean, that's terrible because of his dad. But anyway, it's just those kinds of things that drive me crazy because it is an extremely professional profession. And there's not a lot of things that we are required to do objectively. There's a lot of subjectivity to the job and how I interview you or how I interrogate you or how I conduct an investigation, how I present to a federal prosecutor, how I handle myself in testimony and whether it's direct or it's cross-examination, but there's no objectivity to how I do in advance. None. High ground. Like Tony Guzzi said today, high ground. If it's above the area where the threat, if a threat is above the target, it's a problem.

Period. And it doesn't matter how many feet, whatever else. Right. So, and I'm not, I don't want to second guess any of these people because they do an unbelievable job. They, they avoid, they prevent a hell of a lot more things than you ever see like this. Well, that, and it's unbelievable what they do. I want to say that because that, that is amazing. That is something that gets lost in all these things.

And it's natural because we're not right in on this stuff. We can't know exactly what goes down. But a lot of these organizations, they're never going to get credit for the things that don't happen. That's correct. And I'm sure there's plenty of them they've thwarted. It's just there have been a lot of spotty issues, particularly with the secret service over the past decade, where things came way too close to happening, right? Where we did find out that they had to thwart something that they should never have to thwart, you know,

some naked guy running all the way into the white house across the lawn, you know, shit like that. So, you know, you can't have that breakdown with someone who is the main candidate for one party running for office to say nothing of a guy who was already president. He effectively has the lifelong protection. But when Trump left office as president and then became, you know, a not president, a citizen, and they obviously decrease his team because it's not the same level of security that he's not actively in charge. Exact number, but it's significant. And level of security that he's not actively in in charge exact number but it's significant and again it goes back to i just don't think i think this is unprecedented

i don't think this ever happened so they're not sure so they're learning but now they got to understand that it's it's a um this is a former president so this person should former president who's running for president again so there's got to be they i don't know that it was ever discussed before i'm just not sure of it you know what i look at now too is the second part of this is talking about the investigation here because we see the fbi's involved in this investigation to determine whether or not there's a second shooter determine the motives and you know once again like you and i have talked about apple or whatever the damn phone who's in charge this thing won't release a password won't allow them to get in that's happening again again you know it's just i'm

so sick and tired just drop your whatever i'm not gonna say that um but it's it's it's insanely ridiculous but now all the work that probably should have been done prior to this all the advanced teamwork is now has to be done we got to go out and conduct the interviews on the things he said and what he did. It's not that difficult. People are people want people like this idiot want to be known. They want to be seen. They're posting on social media there. It's not that difficult.

It's not. Now we have to go back and figure this out. Obviously, we got to go to you got to query every source in this area from every single law enforcement agency to determine what this kid said, what he did, who he's involved with, who the contacts were, what he watched, what games he played, whether or not there's some developer who he's associated with. And again, all these things that now have to be done in order to clear whether or not there's another plot to kill this guy. Who else is that? That's a difficult job when you have absolutely no predication you've done no work leading in you just you just did your best which i get and now

you just hope nothing happened i hope nothing happens holy shit you never want to feel that way no ever i didn't even feel that way at maximum i can't stand most of those people you know what i mean like i mean frig frigging Jay Ajahi. I still want to choke him again. Oh, what's wrong with Jay Ajahi? Oh, he was a dick. Really? Yeah.

He wouldn't get up when he was supposed to get up. And then he told people to, you know, don't touch him, whatever. And then I don't remember anything that happened. Really? Yeah, but I did have him pretty well. I mean, somebody had him in a choke lock. Yeah. Who was that?

I don't know, but he was tapping. Oh, he was tapping out? The person didn't listen. Did they get his knee? He's got a bad knee. I don't know if he got a bad knee. Like, did they lock him around his knee? No.

Like, full body type shit? Definitely. I don't think we did. But even we knew all the potential threats in Atlanta, because Atlanta is the rap capital of the world, right? So you had all those issues with rappers coming and wanting to see where they were at, what they were doing, who they were. We did all that. We were a private security firm. Yeah. Three of us together. Three different firms came together to handle this job. And we did it again in miami yeah and you mentioned it earlier by the way but like you guys sent in the information to get the job with rfk privately and then it was like a week later that dude like broke in yes in the police uniform yes like hey i'm on this i'm

on the security team and nobody found it you know and he even like my buddy um my my west well he's not my classmate but he's he's running for, you guys know his name, Dave McCormick. He's running in Pennsylvania for Senate again. He lost to Dr. Oz, who then lost to Lurch. And if you think about, McCormick went with another firm that I don't know how it's working out. He went with a Secret Service-based retirees. I don't know how it's working out, but I thought that it would make so much sense for him to go with two service Academy guys, Andy being Air Force Academy, maybe in West Point.

You know, what do all Air Force Academy and West Pointers have in common? Nothing. They all got into the Air Force Academy. But sorry, Andy, but he knows that's coming. But, you know, if you think about that as well, um, it's really, it's, it's a game. That's not a game. It's a process.

It's an objective process of closing every door. Literally. Why do they seal, you know, why do they seal a manhole covers in New York city when the president comes? That's how, that's, that's how tight it is. How is nobody thinking about limiting access to any high ground? Yeah, I just haven't. I have a real issue.

It's resources. With how much that, yeah, but saying resources about a United States president and presidential candidate is not an excuse. Like, the building is completely unblocked. It has unblocked access directly to the stage. It's a, it's an open Valley. Yes. Like I kept looking at this and I'm like,

what am I missing? Is there, you know, some barn that we can't see there? No, it's why it's literally grass. The only thing between the shooter and Trump was people. And Trump was on a platform and the shooter was up on a roof.

So to people, you know, there, if a bullet goes past them, like they get hit, but like they're, they're not really even an issue for them. Dude, it's the same thing. I think about it. Parents do this every day, right? Parents do site surveys and vulnerability assessments every day. They don't even think about it. Right. So, Hey, my kid, I live on a busy street. You see those signs, please slow down, drive like your children live here. They're doing assessments. They're determining where can my kid, where can my child get hurt, get assaulted, you know, get taken all these spots.

And they're doing that for themselves, right? So that's the job. That's, that's risk assessment in a nutshell. How can the people I care about, and in this case, you have, you're, you're hired to care about appointed elected officials, right? Or any foreign leader, you're hired to care about appointed elected officials, right. Or any foreign, uh, leader you're hired to do that. So I just want to make sure like, okay, okay. Maybe that's outside of the venue. And I get that thought process. And again, that's where the resource and the money comes in. They may have asked for, they may have said, you know what,

we've got some information. I don't know this. We've got some information that tells us today might be a problem here in Butler, PA, possibly. Right. And we need an additional dozen agents. And the memo might have came back. No, we've got something more important to do. You know, we can't afford to do that. Take care of it. That's crazy.

Take care of it. Right. So now what seems like what you, me, any parent, anybody, any grandparent, any parent, any aunt and uncle would walk around and say, hey, my kid's going to be playing over there. And, you know, we're all going through magnetometers. But what's the deal with that spot? That's all. That's as simple as it is. Not saying that Secret Service did anything wrong.

I don't think they did. I don't think it was malicious where they said, we're definitely not going to do that because that's a great spot to be. I hope not. I hope that's not the case. We'll find out maybe. But they did what they were supposed to do within this area. Right. But nobody, whoever's tasking it was for some reason, again, I don't, not malicious. Some reason somebody said, yeah, I'm just not going to check these areas out. Nobody said that. So it looks like, and we don't know this yet, but it looks like multiple snipers had eyes on this guy for at least a couple minutes before it happened. Now people immediately jump to, oh my God, that means they let it happen. What appears to be the case, and there were some leaked rumors about this online, and if you look at the one guy, you can kind of see his body language. There's a lot of stress right there. Yeah.

I mean, that can mean a few different things, but you look at that and you're like, I'm thinking to myself, they don't want to be wrong and they don't want to go to prison. Right. And that's kind of like when that's affecting the people who are protecting the most important people in the world, like that mentality, we got a problem. Definitely. And you make a great point there because you have not only a sniper, you have a spotter, right? So they're both kind of, they're talking back and forth to each other about, hey, this might be the situation. Where's this going? What are we thinking? Who is that person? But there is where there maybe never was that hesitation, even that split second thought of,

oh boy, if I'm wrong, I'm going to jail, right? I'm going to be a year long trial. I'm going to get death threats. My family's going to get death threats. There is that thought process because of where we're at in this point in time, in this particular point in time. on maybe like who trump is and and what certain things he's made of which i i've had recently yeah i've had to reconsider that too but like you and i've done podcasts in the past you're a pretty conservative guy but your roommates were mike pompeo and mark esper yeah you know the class 86 classmates these are guys who worked with trump i know esper obviously didn't get along with him you You had a lot of inside stories. So you had a lot of issues with the guy. But also as someone who's been in combat for a lot of combat for eight years, right?

I mean, well, FBI was probably more importantly, you know, being in situations, being in real shooting situations, real shooting situations, which there's a lot of police officers, thank God. There's a lot of law enforcement, thank God, that never has to think about that stuff. They think about it, but it hasn't happened. So they don't have those recollections, right? This guy, this guy, he had that. And he rose to the occasion, Trump. Oh, right. And that's good enough for me.

Yeah. That's good enough for me right now, right? That's just me. That's my background. That's where I'm coming from. And that's what changed my mind. Very similar. Julian, you and I talked about when I first did podcasts, when we first were together,

I was a different person, right? With this religious transformation, it's been different. So I look at things differently. I look at the reason. There's a reason why this guy survived. God has a plan for this guy. There's a platform that God's going to give him now to move forward and do good things. Right. Nobody believed that before. This is the survival. This, this is a, this is his trial and he, he survived it beautifully. Yeah, I mean, you have to look at it like... And people could disagree with that, but sure. And like, you know, I'm more, I guess, apolitical in that way with the plan and all that. What I look at is I'm dealing, removing existential type stuff.

I'm dealing with the fact that even before those shots rang out, this guy was going to win the election, right? I think so. Yeah, and now it's just a matter of how many states he's going to win. But there is something incredibly deep ingrained in pretty much all of us humans where we respond to courage. We respond to toughness. We respond to people who do things that are special, like kind of above and beyond. And it was impossible. I described it on the live last night.

I stand by what I said. It was impossible to watch his reaction to what happened and see how he handled that and see the defiance he had and the the the wherewithal to do all that it was impossible to not have goosebumps watching that and not realize a this dude's about it and be like that's why he's he's a leader like he's a very flawed leader yes very flawless but like holy shit there are not at you just said it yourself as as a combat veteran. All the other combat guys I talked to. There are not many people who, when the bullets start flying, would be able to behave in that way. And that's that's amen to that period. Amen to that.

And, you know, it's kind of like. We talk, you know, I said this before, you either run toward run away or you stand you're paralyzed right so that just make make that take a look at what he did and make that decision you know for yourself i mean that's i want i want a guy with some grit i want a guy that's going to lead with some grit we haven't had that we have not had that we've had all kinds of other issues what you know what i was thinking about um what do you think does it make any sense now because the talk was biden you know going away and then bringing in some of the candidate to run against trump it doesn't it doesn't make sense now it makes no sense just leave him in place leave him in place yeah and and that obviously that was going to get crazy if they started to do that but at this point you you now have you have made the

guy in every possible way a martyr yes right because tried him in court yeah it's it's and and it's not like you know this guy who acted is more acting on the rhetoric that has been effused if that's a word we can use there about trump you know oh he's hitler and stuff like that and and i gotta tell you God knows I have so many issues with Trump and different ways he behaves and policy issues, but it has always offended something deep in my soul when people have tried to even put the name Hitler in the same sentences. And when someone does that, it tells me they have never studied Adolf Hitler.

They have no idea. No level of evil that that guy was. And the, the villain pathway that he was on from being a younger man and just all the shit he did. Yep. But like to see that attitude come out now where hit, where he's literally dodging bullets.

You started with, you know, the guy leaves office, he has a low approval rating, all the bullshit happened at the end, his whole election, all that stuff. But like, it's like, okay, well now he can, he'll go and he'll be gone. Like, all right, let's move on. But they couldn't do that. They had to go and try to charge the guy with bullshit charges. They had to say that the guy's Hitler over and over again. They had to come out and then say that even after he got convicted of these bullshit charts, like it was never enough. Never for these people. Never, never. And you know what? Well, I don't want to I don't want to be one of these people that takes that and associates that as a proximate cause of this assassination attempt. You know my sense on that. There's crazy people in the world. It doesn't take them a lot to get triggered.

They're sick. Mental illness is a terrible thing. And nobody clearly – there was no support system there. So he takes it on himself to do what he did. Thank God. I mean, it wasn't a bad shot you know i mean unfortunately um for that for those poor people that lost our lives but that was the last that was the untrained portion of them right first three he just didn't get he didn't get the shot he wanted but he could have he pretty easily again pretty easily if he didn't cock his neck he has the shot he has the shot he has the shot and that's that's so it's it's just god it gives me like a chill yeah me too because we're

in a we're in a totally different place today we're talking completely different if this guy yeah you know now we're talking you know there's a chance for i mean you see you see the biden administration for the the unity piece right not not as effective as it should have been not as good as it should have been but he really he's sick i mean he's he's he's you know my mother died of alzheimer's you know he's sick he's got some issues i i pity that i pray for him but at the same time it could have been a different situation today yeah and the fact the fact that the fact that the people around him though had, had him run for office. Oh, I know. Kept him in there. I know. Do all this.

The wife especially. I mean, the best part was after the debate, you answered all the questions. All the questions, Joe! Look at you! Get ice cream! And what did Trump do? Yeah. Lie!

Exactly. That was like, well, who was that guy, Howard Dean or whatever? Yeah. Like the, blah! Yeah, exactly. Like that was that all over again. That was brutal. Oh, so cringy.

Just brutal. Terrible. But I mean, I think at this point it comes down. I'm curious to see what's going to happen on the follow-up. I'm curious to see what the Bureau is going to find out. I'm curious to see how they're going to go about their business and be the professionals that they are. You know, I mean, it's going to be an interesting couple of months and I hope that these issues are

quickly addressed. I mean, I'm hearing, I thought, I mean, now I'm hearing the secret service director isn't coming until next Monday because of the conventions. Hey, you got to get in there. You got to get her out. You got to, you got to be on this thing. It's got to change. Something's got to change. Biden needs to fire her. Yes. Immediately. Yeah. Has it happened? Anybody know? Yeah. I mean, that, that I mean, that's a unity ticket right there. Correct. Like, the lady is incompetent. Time to go.

And, like, I think she was at, like, an event in Aspen the other night or some shit like that. Like, you can't make that. The RNC is on Monday, and she's at the Secret Service Directors at an event in Aspen. Like, what is happening out in aspen other than like billionaires chilling around in some powder snow are you drinking coke zero should be having should be having diet pepsi oh my god when i go back i want to make sure you yeah it's just um that would that would unify the country no doubt about it there's no doubt about it and we need we do need that we do need a good feeling we don't want a catastrophe you know an ie a 9-11 to have to bring the country

together something like yes we almost had that well that's the problem unfortunately when you look at human history that's the kind of stuff that we respond to it takes something horrible happen that's what happened for people to cut you even saw it the other night with people like there were people who suddenly were like you know what i've been overly and there obviously were people that doubled down but there are people like i've been overly harsh on donald trump you know what he just survived the shit he had to survive a shooting for you to say you've been you were calling him hitler exactly like come on like like we like we need to grow up a little bit you know he's not hit, but he could get there.

Thank God he survived. But, I mean, now that we have 100 days here, there's a lot of talk about, you know, people are saying Trump should get his own private security on top of that. Is that even, like, how does that work? Isn't there, like, some sort of legislation that says the Secret Service has to have control? They can, but it can't. You know, we went through this with the RFK piece, right? So they can, but it's got to be where we're consulting, quote unquote, the private security teams are consulting on a particular need. So it could be as simple as advanced party. That's why I keep stressing that. Okay, service, you know, you guys have a lot going on, right? You've got

your local offices, you've got the traveling team. Okay, you need you know, you guys have a lot going on, right? You've got your local offices. You've got the traveling team. Okay, you need somebody to advance. Hire, you know, hire Everyday Spy, right? Hire Boosta and me and the people that we have working with us so you can get the predictive. Basically, you're looking for predictive intel, right? So you're looking for things that are going to give us the ability to go forward and ask the right questions. Look at the right social media. Talk to the right questions, look at the right social media,

talk to the right people, right? Have the liaison, quarterback it in so that there's never an issue where Pennsylvania State Police doesn't know what, you know, the county sheriff in that county is doing, right? Or what, if this happens, what would you do? I don't think those discussions have happened properly. I'm not saying it wasn't in the plan. It's probably written in the plan. You always have to have contingency, like what would we do in this situation? But it's just written. Do we really talk about that?

It has the same kind of level of taking in the information at the time, uh, there's distractions, you know, whether it be, Hey, I'm putting my vest on. It has the same type of thought process as how many magazines we should be carrying to the end of it. I know how many magazines I have as many as I could fit on my belt. Right. So it's the same thing with regards to what should we do? If you see somebody and somebody yells, how does that go? It's gotta be talked out. That's something that a private security team could do and do well.

Cause we do that all the time. You remember he had a guy though. Trump had a dude. I can't remember. The NYPD guy. Yes, exactly. Dude,

bald head. Good looking guy. Bald head. Yeah. I think, I don't think he was bald. I'm pretty, I'm pretty sure he had like a crew cut. Dude, he was bald. i don't think he was bald i'm pretty i'm pretty sure he had like a crew cut dude he was bald in my opinion he was bald all right yep i'm just in your in your opinion he maybe tried to grow a little hair didn't look right he should have

shaved his head but he was like trump's guy long before he yes started running for office and then when he was on the come up that guy ran his security until i think like late spring early summer 2016 yes and then i believe he kind of got pushed out so that's what he did yeah he was he he maintained his his job in new york so he would he would be in charge of that president when he came to new york for the private security portion secret service had it but he would be it was doing advanced party stuff and and how do you but what's the jurisdiction there can't this this is where this maybe this is an example to ask it but like this is where the secret service could come in and say sir get the out of one million percent but if you have that working relationship you know like if you have it with a person that's running

the show in new york or running the show on team, there's always room for the consulting, whether it be predictive or whether it be a very specialty-based, a very niche-based offering or capability. They use that. They do that. They do it in every portion of government, right? So why not have the people that do this all the time and do it the best do it? I'm not just talking about what I'm talking about locally, whether it's local law enforcement, whether it's retired police chief, whether it's a retired, you know, superintendent of state police or another agency, whatever. Those are the people that do this all the time.

Why wouldn't you want to use their expertise, right? And they do. It definitely is out there. A lot of times it comes down to dollars and cents, so you're trying to save on a campaign like rfk jr you would think had would have an unlimited budget he doesn't he doesn't no you know at all so he what's not for that not not for that not at that level what you know you look at like dave mccormick running for senate you know running for senate pennsylvania doesn't have an unlimited budget he's got he's he's a well-to-do guy you know he's a well-to-do guy, you know, he's a well-to-do guy, but what is it? Where was he at? Bridgewater, I think, or one of the big, one of the big firms, I think. So, but doesn't have that kind of budget to have what it takes, what it requires. However, the service has the

ability to go forward and put that as part of their budget, you know, so, and it's capped, you know, it's maybe it's 50,000 a month, maybe it $50,000 a month. Maybe it's $60,000 a month. Maybe it's $10,000 a month. But it's capped. But it's very specific as to we need predictive intel on every single hotel he's going to go into in the next six months. Okay. That's the kind of thing that you can utilize properly and have a good contingency plan. Have an understanding. You put me out in Butler, PA for a week. I'm going to know how bad the- You'll know everything. Yeah. How bad the Waffle House's scattered versus cubed potatoes are. Right. I like those. I had to stop eating those.

I can tell. But yeah, but it's kind of like, let's, you know, let's get to that. Why not get to that level so that we don't have these kinds of issues and that the service can do what they're actually supposed to be doing. Right. Protecting the president. How do we do that? Well, now with tech, there's a lot of ways to do it. It's a lot of chatter out there, you know, a lot of chatter, which is what we do for our clients.

I mean, we provide, we're in the Intel business. We're collecting Intel to make sure we protect them, to give those, give them the peace of mind they need to do what they're supposed to be doing. Give Trump the peace of mind. On behalf of the CIA, right? I don't know what you're talking about. But if you think about, if you think about, you threw me. If you think about Trump right now, what should he be doing? He should be focusing on creating policy. I don't know why. It's been a rough day.

Is it good? Is it all right? Yeah, we're good. My computer audio won't stop doing that. Go ahead. I'm sorry. So Trump needs to – he should be concentrating and focusing on what his policies are moving forward and how he can make the country better. Not worried about who the fuck is shooting at him at the next site you know so how do we do that how do we provide how do we do what we do that provides peace of mind so that he could do

what he does that's the key to this thing the service is the service is a service man you know you can't charge you could be the best secret service agent or the worst one you know what you're making you're making 171 283 61 that's,000, $283,000, $61,000. That's it. So it's not about that, but it's about the commitment, right? So for us, we're going to give you a product that's going to be actually going to supplement and complement what you do and take that off your plate. And we're already established people. And I'm not just talking about us.

We're established people. We've had a background investigation. We have SCI clearance. We've been polygraphed numerous times. Unless you boost him on it. He knows how to beat him. But only kidding. But, by the way, this shirt is nice, right?

Yeah. Yeah, it's a good shirt. And that's the kinds of stuff that we need to start thinking outside of the box so that never again does a venue, an outdoor venue, not just because it's within a perimeter, doesn't get checked for high ground. Yeah. Lesson 101 at your officer basic course when you graduate from ROTC, OCS, or West Point. Yeah. High ground. Go read any military history book.

It's common sense for all of us out there. Jeff Stewart was riding around fooling around. That's why the high ground got lost in Gettysburg. That's why they lost it. Right. So there's a lot of rumors now. I shouldn't say rumors. There's fears that people are talking about with something like this.

It's a bit of a of a powder keg and now you could see different things happen on the way to this election with various crazy people on either side of the aisle to do things how do you like it's one thing to say like okay we're going to take the president to secure areas so that someone doesn't shoot him. nothing to do with where biden or trump are at one time but just has to do with political violence as a result of people taking out their crazy political you know agendas on people that they view as their enemy like how how do we try to like take the noise down in america now in light of what we've just seen well you know i mean part of it we've talked about this before i mean the media mainstream media is is just pushes this to another level. Our intel services, our ability to collect, to analyze, and to execute on our

intel is amazing. It still is. The stuff that we've stopped along the way, people don't know. I don't know everything, but I know a hell of a lot more than your average person. We have stopped a hell of a lot of things, right? They're not going to be publicized. And you talk to some, you talk to some former FBI and they'll tell you, well, the only, the only reason, you know, um, nothing's happened is because nobody tried. Well, obviously you were a crossword puzzle guy or girl, you know, during your career. So you never listened. Right. So when I think about how much we've stopped, how much we've prevented, how much better we've gotten with technology and the ability to do things. It's pretty amazing. So that's the, that's the first thing I want to say, you know, it's, it's, it's incredible to be read in, not anymore. I haven't been read in, in six years, but I still

remember a lot of the things that happened along the way and how amazed I was at the time, how professional and how good we are at what we do. Right. You got a guy like Andy, you got a woman like G he, his wife there, they are, you see, what you see is what you get from Andy is an intelligent dude who just does things, um, that no one ever wants to talk about. Right. But he's done them and he's done them well. And he's done them to the point where people have peace of mind based on the things that he does and did and does you know so it's kind of like for me that's how i kind of look at why much of it is quashed down but the media is going to go ahead and fire this up that's what they do julian we talked about summer of the shark before 9-11 it's the same

thing it's the same thing right so before and it's just happened again there's been some shark attacks on the east coast of florida that they're about. So I always worry about. And what happens? Trump gets shot. There's not a shortage of news, though. That's the thing. There's not a shortage. Right. Exactly right.

So all of a sudden, hey, the reporters were, oh, my God, these sharks are biting everybody. People are biting. Sharks haven't fucking stopped. So 9-11 happens in the summer of the shark. There's no more shark attacks. Sharks weren't like, hey, you got a minute? You know, hey, listen, these fucking people are going through some hell stop biting stop biting don't bite anything don't do it i'm gonna be mad at you if you do it and have a shark convention

and everybody talked about it so it's the same it's the same shit you know it's the same shit all the time that's how i look at it and so what I think about, and again, I haven't been read in, in quite some times. So, you know, I mean, like 2018 was the last time I got a briefing on July of 2018. So I think about, and knowing that the professionals that are in place are still doing what they do gives me peace of mind, truly gives me peace of mind. It doesn't mean that it doesn't mean that you're not out there and getting bumped. You're not out there and people are trying to talk to you. And I know that and I see it and I'm aware of it. And sometimes I mess, I have a good time with it. Sometimes I just ignore it. You know, that happens all the time because they know we're out here now. We're out here now.

Many professionals that choose not to come out like this, not to talk about things. Yeah. Yeah. But I'm, you know, I'm not a target, but I'm just somebody that they really are interested in talking to. So again, if we could just get to the point where we are not afraid, you made a great point, the hesitation, the hesitation right from the sniper. Why is that? Because look how many things have happened.

Look at cops getting put away, getting fired, getting their lives ruined. Some of them doing the absolute wrong thing absolute wrong thing criminal shit some of them not that's right some of them not some of them getting cleared but yet still having trouble right so that's a thought now that should never be a thought if that was a thought in combat people be dead yeah well that's the problem it actually did start to become a thought in combat, people would be dead. Yeah, well, that's the problem. It actually did start to become a thought in combat. It did. After Iraq went bad because, again, there were some things that were wrong there. But, like, it became – when I talk to a lot of my guys, like, Mike Ritland was just in here talking about this.

It got to a point where it's like you're going out to do the job and you're afraid that you're going to get in trouble for doing your job. Especially with war, forget regular old society and shit like day to day. War is war, man. Yes. It's the ugliest thing human beings do. When you're there to do the job though, horrible shit happens sometimes. Sometimes it's like maybe someone did do something wrong. But other it's it's just this is war this is what happens so if guys are afraid to use force we're gonna have a real problem absolutely and i even think about i've often said the street cop

it stops cars every day that's the hardest job in the world because you never know what you're facing even back 15 years ago you didn't know now you really don't know what you're facing. Even back 15 years ago, you didn't know. Now, you really don't know what you're facing. You're facing a camera in your face. You're facing, you know, a lack of respect. They're at combat every single day. You know, I mean, they truly are. So when these guys retire, I mean, you have the whole issue with, you know, law enforcement suicide, right? Which the rates are off the charts, right? So how do we give them the resiliency they need to kind of move forward and get better? Right. That's the kinds of things I think about that helps them to make better decisions, quicker decisions. One of the most moving videos I think I've ever seen.

And it's it's a local police officer who gets called to the scene of a vet with a gun. Well, I'm sorry. You don't even know that he's a guy with a gun and he's just roaming around in front of this building but he's roaming around in front of the va the cop pulls he still has he has his cover but he's behind and he starts to talk to him and he says brother don't do this to me don't make me are you a veteran he says yeah and he's holding you know he's holding the gun he's even at times he pointing it at him and this guy just and he says don't make me do this you're gonna make me go through again what I've gone through already. And the guy is 20 minutes.

And the guy finally like just drops the gun. And the cop just says, can I give you a hug? Oh, my God. And they walk and they embrace. And other cops are coming to cuff him. And he's like, don't cuff this man. Don't cuff this man. And he takes him and he walks him to his car.

And he puts him in the back seat. And he says, I expect you to treat me with the level of respect that I just treated you with because I love you, brother. And they go off and the guy gets his help. So if you think about how powerful that is, that that relationship, no details, just the fact that you've been through it. And now, now these secrets, like these secret service people, these local police officers, maybe they've never seen that. Probably not, but now they have. Right. So now they're different. They're different in a way. I think about that emergency room doctor, the guy who gave CPR. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that to me says everything. Here's a guy that saw death every,

probably so often and called times of death and worked on people until he knew it was not never had the effect of what happened to him that day he was he was absolutely paralyzed because because there's there's there's an expectation when he's working that's right people die he knows people people are going to die he knows people are going to come in and after them more people are going to come in and that's the job yep when you're out you know on a saturday afternoon at you know a political rally getting ready to go to dinner after exactly got plans you're not and then suddenly like carnage you know i i i've never seen that before i i can't put my i mean i'm damn well not a doctor i can't

put myself in his shoes but like yeah i mean it was it was horrifying for him and then he got in there and and became a doctor he became a doctor and did he did his thing and then afterwards he he processed that but with with a different touch with a different feel right so i look at that and say um all those people all those people in those stands are different today. They're going to be different for the rest of their lives. Now, whether they can take that and inspire others, that's different. I don't know. Hopefully. And be somebody different. But it's just atrocious. That's atrocious. And that's the effect. That's the ripple effect of what happened. That's the ripple effect of just not being capable. That's not right. I don't want to say that. Just not closing the lid.

Closing the lid on doing everything that you could possibly do to make sure something like that has the littlest chance of happening as what it was. This guy's a nut. He's a nut. He's going to do something. he was going to do something that's when when i when i see kids like this though i say this every time there's a school shooter too you know it's a it's a very similar profile to this kid loner bullied out there crazy we have video of him being crazy you know what kind of ssris is he on yeah how many yeah on lithium prozac a cocktail to two you know it's it's the same story over and over again and like we have these arguments and stuff about guns and and i you know that obviously it's a huge pressure point in society and i understand

that but like if you're going to have those arguments in public and debate it, why are you also not debating the fact that so many of these kids who maybe are going down the wrong ways? I'm not saying there aren't reasons for those drugs to exist for people that do have real problems. But why are we not looking at the fact that so many of these kids that do this shit are on that stuff and like as a guy who supports the second amendment i you know some people would who support the second amendment would really yell at me for saying this but maybe there's a conversation around like hey if you're on lithium and prozac you're not allowed to have access to guns like i i i don't know what else to and and i don't know if to be clear i don't know if this kid was on that stuff we don't know that yet he fits the profile of someone who's gonna it's to come out that he was on it. He does fit the profile. From my perspective as an intel gatherer, I think there's just so much more that we can do when these opportunities, these vulnerabilities present themselves in this particular way, right?

Schools I'm passionate about, but there's not much we can do because you're just not going to get the sign off of the way I think it needs to be handled. Why? We're in the reactive mode. We're not in the proactive mode. So we're picking up bodies and then talking about what went wrong as opposed to doing other things. Now there's many that have been, there's a lot of law enforcement that trains on that, that educates on that, that talks about that a lot. And there's a lot of programs out there, how to do it, what to do, but not many of them address the proactive ability to do it better through Intel. And I just talked about it earlier. I mean, just talk about it, taking a look at those five or six or 10 people in your district that worry

you every time it comes in. You know, I mean, I've got, I've got a family full of teachers and they all know, they all know the kids that they're like, Ooh, you know, it's anger issues. It's that bullying, whatever those reports are called, like intimidation, bullying, and whatever those are the kids that you have to keep your eye on a little bit closer and maybe help them out. Maybe some of those kids aren't medicated and need to be, but again, that starts to fit the profile too. So it's just so much going on. So many kind of environmental and external pressures that I didn't have. I'm 60, right? I didn't have when I was a kid. When I was a kid, it was very simple.

If you acted up and you were a pain in the ass, you got immediate consequence. My buddy Stan always says the same thing. Consequences go both ways. You have good consequence and bad consequence, but there has to be

consequence. Has to be. I was talking with a friend of mine the other day that's all i said because i don't want it to she she told me this like in in confidence so i i'll leave it at that but like she does some nannying work right and she went to work for a family six months ago that, long story short, she left in like a week. Okay. Who, you know, they were doing a lot of kind of crazy shit. They were raising their kids gender neutral or something.

They were very confused as to why the boy liked trucks and the girl liked dolls because they were trying to raise them gender neutral. So immediately, you know, my friend was like, okay. Got to go. Well, that's kind of an issue, but she wasn't allowed to discipline the kids or anything like that because the parents didn't do it. She also like when kids were feeling things, she wasn't allowed to ask them about it because they had to determine what their emotions were and they had to talk about it and deal with it however they did and we had to give them the space to do it i'm paraphrasing what she said but like those kids they're the ones who turn into shooters because then they go into school they go into school with kids who have normal parents

right most of them yep and when they suddenly don't get their way on something and have no social skills on how to deal with it they're gonna get fucked up absolutely and then they're And then they're going to be outcasted. And then one thing's going to lead to another and bang, bang, bang, bang, bang. We go down the line and we know where they end up. Yeah. And again, you're, you're absolutely right. That the thing is too, when they've, when other kids see that they don't know how to, how to kind of process that. So they look at them as, as the outcast, right? When teachers try to do it, the kids don't, the kids that are getting the first time they've ever,

ever been disciplined. It's like, what are you doing? You know, I don't feel that way. No concept. Yeah. Or I want to be,

I want to dress like a cat and pee in a litter box. Oh, that, that one gets me. Oh man. Like when they're, when they're putting like, when they're putting like tampons and the guy's bathroom or they're putting like the animal stuff in the bathrooms yeah yeah i brushed i brushed my teeth sorry

like that's the stuff where it's like you know people get into like the woke conversation whatever and when you see things like that you're like bro something's wrong yeah you're not a cat you're not a cat definitely a cat so stop crapping in the freaking litter box that we put out there for you you know well get it get a bit get it back on topic here you know the the the thing that has been really fascinating i don't know if that's the full word i want to use there. There's some other words I have as well. That's, that's a little more fearful, I guess. But one of the patterns that's been very interesting to look at is the social patterns that have formed that are very similar to patterns that formed in the buildup to world war two. And what I don't want to do here is be dramatic and be like, we're headed on a path. It's good. You know, I don't want to do that.

I like to be an optimist. I like to be a realist in that we look at things and try to evaluate it and talk it out here. But I like to be an optimist in the sense that maybe, you know, it doesn't have to go that way. That said, you know, you saw in the 1930s and particularly governments around the world break hard one way or the other and they also broke hard in those directions behind very visceral hated slash loved leaders and obviously we see patterns like that in america you look across europe right now and these different snap elections that have happened where people are so polarized. You look across South America and some of the major political upheavals that have happened with very, very vibrant characters, if you will, in both directions over the past year or so.

I'm seeing a lot of the chess pieces move the same way. So as someone who's served the country, you know, in the special forces for eight years, went to West point 25 years in the FBI before they went bad, you know, sorry, I had to throw that. But I mean,

you know, you know, it's true. Yeah. Yeah. It's definitely, well, that's another,

some leadership issues. We'll come, we'll come to that. But you know, do you sometimes find yourself wondering if we're on this course where we're walking off the plank and we're doing it to ourselves? I mean, I don't. I'm an optimist. I mean, I am a believer in humanity.

You know, I really am. I mean, I've seen the best and the worst. I don't really have that thought or that fear even. what I do think about is I think about my grand, my grandkids. That's who I, if I do have any bit of trepidation with regards to what the future looks like, that's where it bothers me. That's where it's real. It's tangible. I look at my, my little grandson, I look at another one on the way. And I think to myself, and I've said this to you before not on the air but um what what do i want them to remember about how i handled today's issues when they walk to my coffin because they're guaranteed i'm guaranteed that there might not be other people that walked my coffin but i guaranteed those those kids will and what do I want them to think about? What was my poppy's purpose? Right? So that keeps me grounded with regards to what's going on in the world. If that makes sense, it kind of keeps me optimistic about how things can change,

how the cycle can change. Because if you look at the history of the world, the cycle continues to change over time. And it's, it's a, it's a pretty numerical, you know, it's a pretty numerical feel, right? So, yeah. So for me, that's how I, that's how I choose my perspective. That's how I look at things. I don't look at it as, well, listen, war is a terrible thing, but it's been going on for the history of time, right? And it'll continue to go on in different ways, whether it be through quantum computing or low orbital satellites or whatever they're going to do to kind of make that a different kind of war. That's what's going to happen.

Cyber wars are happening as we speak, right? So destroyed and through the cyber place and through everything else that happens. But for me, I try to really look at things and say, how can we make, how can we make things better through our little piece of the pie to the way we do things, the way we handle things, right. The way we look at this assassination attempt, are there things in there that we can learn from? Yes. And do they have to do with, um, you know, how we, how our work ethic is, how hard we work towards making our little piece, what we do well, what our capabilities are better, as perfect as we can be. We can't be perfect, but we can be

pretty damn close if we look at, if we stay focused on the one thing that happens. That's how I try to look at my life. I don't, I hate watching the news now. I will watch the convention because I just think we're going to come up with some sound bites for the, for the ages. Oh my God. You know, so I will watch some of that i can't watch the debates i can't watch a lot of news shows because you can watch and hear whatever you want to hear just turn the channel so you know i just i just try to i try to be well read i try to think about how i can do things to change the world in my little area um how i can leave that influence on my family and my kids

you know my kids and you know, my kids and my grandkids. My kids are grown. They're older than, you know, I mean, Jen's 34, Jim's 31. You know, my in-laws, I mean, my son-in-law, my daughter-in-law. I mean, it's just leading by example and showing the happiness that life brings to me, the peace and the joy that life brings to me by doing what I do best. It's weird. I'm doing, as you know, I'm doing a lot of writing now. That's what I'm doing. I'm doing a lot of writing. You know, I'm trying to, I'm trying to inspire through leadership. You know, I've got, I've got sections of my life that are three different sections. I got, I got, you know, the start of my leadership was, was at West Point, right. And through the army, then it was federal government,

federal law enforcement. And now it's kind of, it's kind of a spiritual type leadership. How do you, on, on, on that note though that note though you know we we talked earlier about some of your opinions on trump from the perspective of i guess like what he's made of given what we just saw him go through how he handled it yeah we had mentioned like you had a lot of guys that you know well who were around him some of whom had an okay experience others Others did not. There was obviously a ton of turnover in his previous white house. There were a lot of stories coming out of there about people who were incompetent in certain jobs and where it was a shit show. How can he better, if he is indeed going to win this election, how can he lead better this time from the perspective of like

how he puts a team together and and maybe how he manages them so i think that's a great that is a great point and when i look at the complaints not really complaints but the the comments or the analysis of a leadership style from the first portion even even if he went back before his political run right when he's a business leader i mean you talk to people and like yeah he was he was difficult to deal with he didn't negotiate fairly he you know was corrupt in his own way whatever and a lot of people have those stories but when i look about when i when i think in the common even the people that were closest to him and fully respected everything he did almost to the point where he was obsessive um they would

say you know he just doesn't listen yeah he just doesn't listen right so take you know go with me on this i'm going so i'm in so the other day so saturday saturday is that the point in time is that the point in time where he finally steps back and says i need to listen yeah yeah right and and so that's the thing that that to me and and i know you know i know you get a little bit uncomfortable with me now that I'm walking this trip with Christ for me. And we've talked about that. A little uncomfortable. Because I'm forcing you to go to church.

You're not forcing me to do shit. But I'm just saying. I put that out there. You better go to church because your dad's going to come out. But anyway, when I look at that, I think about I'm starting to do something where I'm looking at every portion of my life, right? Even the worst shit in the world. And I'm trying to find God there. And that's given me a perspective to be a better leader. Just changed me around, right? So I'm, I'm hoping that that's something I could change with this guy by just listening.

Just maybe this is enough to say, you know what? I got to rely on the professionals. I got to rely on the people that do the things that they do the best they can. Right? So that's where I think the difference is. That's where I think you're going to see from this guy is a little bit more collaborative leadership. Right? Because he's going to blow gonna blow i mean my opinion

and i don't know this i don't know this i have no idea what could happen tomorrow or a month from now anything i think he's gonna landslide this shit to the point where he might even flip this crazy state you know and yeah it's that's not gonna be a worry right that's not gonna be a worry for him going in he'll he'll just he'll ride that in now does he does he you know i remember like back when i was living in you know the entitled world um it was always like well he'll do people who don't understand anything right they'll just be like well you know he's you know he's i may not be good at everything but he's gonna hire the best people and every best generals he's gonna hire fucking generals you know they get hired the best generals so i had a best businessman go find him on monster.com yes indeed um rex dillerson worked out great but

anyway um that that to me is kind of what the way it was in 2016 right this time around i think it's going to be more about the this i think made it's going to make him the kinder, gentler Trump for the time being. I hope you're right. For the select, for the time to select the people around him. And maybe he learns to trust that. What I worry about, this is what I worry about more than anything else, is the vengeance. Yeah. Right?

If we get into that, dude, we basically take our finger off the pulse around the world. And I think, I think where people thought, and this is, this is not going to be a popular opinion where people thought the world was watching Biden so closely because of the incompetence, because of the corruption, all the things that were alleged about him i think they're watching even closer with this guy right because if he starts to destroy our own country by taking out his opponents and doing the things that we've seen you you made mention to what other countries look like what other periods of time and how people went back he is one of those dynamic leaders that if he does start down that path, the world is really watching. He has an enormous opportunity on Thursday night to unite the country. One million percent. Here's a guy with the bandage he's still going to be on. There's still going to be a mangled ear. He's not wearing that bandage.

No, but I mean there's going to be a mangled ear. Yeah. Right? Oh, by the way, if he trims up the hair it didn't look bad when he got up i should i was i was wondering how much they were down there on the bottom of the like fix him fixing his hair before he got his shoes and fix his hair get his shoes how the fuck can i ask another thing how the fuck did his shoes come off well he got he got hit so fast and he and he probably had like like, I didn't look.

Maybe people out there looked and could see he had, like, slipping loafers, so they probably, like, flipped off. They flipped him out of there. Yeah. Yeah, you got to get, so I'm saying get some tie-on shoes so you don't have to go out with your shoes. But, you know, my thought is he's really, he's a martyr by, definitely, but he's got a chance to really solidify how we think about this country again. There's a whole bunch of tactics that can go in, but the strategy's got to be that.

His tactics, they'll be questioned. Things he's going to do and try to do. I hope it's not avenging all the things where he believes he's been wronged. And some of that he has been wronged. But we've got to not use this as a let's get back at all these sons of bitches. Right? So we've got to unify the country. We've got to become the superpower that we are again.

We still are. But listen, it's, you know, my little Sal could see where we're looking up for the first time. I don't want to look up We're at a critical moment right now And I'll actually I'll give him this credit Like His rhetoric on campaign trails In the past has not always

Been great you know there's a way To attack the politicians whose policies You fucking hate and who you maybe even Think are horrible people like I don't think Hillary Clinton was a good person at all but i will say after he went maybe a little overboard with some of the chanting at the rallies in 2016 one good thing about him right when he got into office and was not even in office but was in the transition is he very quickly and quietly said yeah no we're not going to go after her, you know, with the Justice Department,

which, again, maybe don't say like, you know, oh, lock her up the whole time and whatever the damage is done. But there was there was a that was a make a magnanimous way to look at it. And I hope that despite the fact that he has had a lot of bullshit objectively happen to him with these charges that are insane which i don't know you saw did you see some charges got thrown out this morning by the way yeah fucking crazy it's great interesting that tells you that tells you all you need to know yeah so so he i'm i'm saying please rise above that yes and let's let's be bit let's let's be big for the moment because it could set you I'm a little cynical with politicians, but maybe it could set a little bit of a precedent down the line when things – And the tone can be changed a little bit.

He's got the ability to change the narrative, and it's this week. And he's got the ear of every single United States citizen this week because he's been shot at. He's a martyr. So he has the ability. Now, what he does with that, we don't know don't know it's up to him you know i i love the fact that he jumped right back on a on a flight got to got to milwaukee immediately didn't delay his time yeah i mean i that tells me something yeah it tells me he played golf the next exactly he hits the ball pretty good but you know let's talk about that youiden's name you're no six that was the

you're no six that was the best part about that first debate like you talk about listening he clearly for the first time had listened to aids because he was under control obviously that it was helpful that the mics were being turned off but he was under control the whole time and the one time he lost it was when biden's like I put our six handicap. He's like, oh, God. Oh, I can't. Yeah, he just couldn't handle it. And then he said, I'll definitely, I'll play a match Biden said against you, but you got to carry your own bag.

Like, Joe can carry anything. Joe can't carry his fucking diaper, you know? I mean, holy mackerel. It just was too good. Oh, that was horrible. It was too damn good. Just eat the ice cream. That guy's dead.

Yeah. Just insane. But, yeah. But, yeah, that's my hope, man. too good oh that was horrible it was too damn good just eating ice cream that guy's dead yeah just insane but yeah but yeah that's my hope man i mean i i think you know i think there's a lot of opportunity this week to do some really good things yeah really good things we'll see one thing to go back that you that you had touched on earlier that i just want to make sure we cover a little more because i know you know a lot about this kind of stuff. I don't know if you know about it for like Secret Service type things, but we'll find out, I guess. You know, you had mentioned stuff about like air support

and things like that in situations like a Trump rally or something like that that you're trying to cover. So, you know, it seems pretty reasonable to me that in the year 2024 where people's grandpas are flying drones at the park, you know, we we'd have a bunch of little drones quietly flying up above these places. Why was that not happening? It's not, it's that's, that's not like an expensive budget. Was it happening? That's what I want to know.

Like was it happening and we just weren't exposed to it. I can tell you that back in the day when I was doing just assessment work, which I'm really not doing much of that anymore, but that was the first thing we did, right? Quick flyover. It's easy. I don't have to go climbing all over the place and doing everything I do. I don't know. I'm not sure if that was happening. It doesn't seem like it. No. It doesn't seem like it, but you're right. It's, it's, it's cost effective. It's effective, you know, in a, in a bunch of different ways. Um, you know, I'm sure there was tech there. I would think I would kind of surmise that the tech was more on the side of your, your shot identification,

your sound identification, and how to triangulate that shooter or any other shooters. That's the thing that I think I want to talk about. And I forgot, I forgot to say that this is great. So the tech that I think about is that, that tech, right? Which is I can immediately determine by the shot,

the first, the first shot, the first sound, this will point directly to where the shooter is or any other shooters which which hence why when they've got the all clear at least for the time being anyone who fired a shot were there a suck was there a second shooter was there somebody else that another shot from another area i'm sure we'll find out no but if that was the case we immediately would have known that until both were neutralized.

I think that you would have, you wouldn't have had the all clear. You wouldn't have had the stand up. Yeah. So that maybe less the drone and the flight type things, but definitely the tech is amazing. I've seen the tech. I've seen the shot identification. I've seen the weapon identification. I've seen that.

And it's progressed so much further than it was even even we used it at super bowl parties we would use especially for weapons identification so you see it now people have experienced it already walking through a stadium you don't longer have to go through you know the the booth and the whole deal oh yeah one at a time now you just walk and they immediately could see it's similar to what the airport has now where you got put your arms up and they find a spot they find a spot that you know might have potential weapon or whatever on your body it's the same thing yeah but this thing will actually point and say uh we got a glock you know we got a glock 43 in the right pocket okay it's that i mean that's really powerful it's that good and then if somebody

takes it and discharges you're gonna immediately you're gonna triangulate on that person so um which which is good and bad it's good and bad for what happened on saturday right because they didn't have that need to wand or any of those things they really didn't unless unless the machine said hey we don't know what this is it's you know on this guy's chest and it turned out to be a defibrillator or whatever but you know what i mean like that that took away a lot of that that need to be overly focused on those things so they should have been more you know i'm not saying should have could listen i don't know what the hell i would have done either but you're looking you know you're kind of looking around you're looking where they were services Services always look, which they always are.

They're always like scat, you know, scouring their train to scour the different things. I mean, a lot of people have put up videos that show like different, different actions for different people right behind the stage or in front of the stage. Why was this woman holding the sign and putting a sign? Who the fuck knows? I mean, you know, there's so many moving pieces, but I think that if there's any answer to why we didn't hear about or see any footage you would have thought you'd see footage from a drone right if yeah they had it it's more along the lines of those texts what about dogs though too i can't believe i haven't thought of this till now like like wouldn't dogs have been able to notice that there's people in places they're not supposed to be like before the kid even gets to the roof?

I mean, dogs are trained very – there's three or four different functions for a dog, right? I mean, one now they actually have where you can identify people taking software out of a company like a thumb drive or a disc. Dogs actually sniff that shit out pretty crazy and obviously drugs. Obviously's there's weapons but they're discharge weapons right so um and sound right so those are the things so dogs not really unless the dog's told to go you know up on the roof and figured this guy out and the handler's got to get up there yeah yeah i'm not i'm not like once he's up on the roof i don't't really see what's happening with the dog. But like avoiding him getting into that area or something like that. Oh, yeah.

I mean just as a deterrent. Yeah. Yeah. I mean that goes – again, that goes back to whose responsibility that was and what the contingency plan was. It just needs to be locked down. I'm not saying the service – I like most of the plan. I really do and what they did. I'd love to see the plan, love to hear the questions answered.

But as long as you have that place, as long as you remove access, you don't have to be on top of it. Okay. If you remove access, you don't have to be on top of it. Okay. Was access removed? No, it wasn't, right?

Advanced party, again. I'm going to see the five or six places that I'm like, I'm really worried about that building because there's no way on the day of, we're going to have enough people to be watching it. But if I shut down access to it in cooperation with the company, it's over. You know, it's over. That's it. I don't have to worry about that.

I can take that off the radar. They didn't do that. Somebody didn't do it so if you were if you were put in charge today if if they said all right jim we're calling you in you're running point on trump you have control over secret service any private people you may or may not bring in i don't know if you do that like how how would you fix this moving forward without putting him literally in a glass box yeah never you Never, you know, we don't want, we don't want anybody in glass box because they can't do what they're supposed to be doing. Right.

Right. So that's out. So I think there's two things immediately enough. Talk about it. Right. So the advanced team, right. With the predictive Intel.

So those two things, being proactive on those two things, using all the tools, tools that are available. The tech is unbelievable with regards to social media monitoring, with regards to, you know, finding and putting things together. Shit, AI could do that for you at this point. There's many tools that we can use along those lines that I would definitely put in place. I'd put more... Gates and guards are a thing of the past. I mean, as much as we need to

be on... When something happens, we need to be all over it like we saw, right? Be great drivers, be great with weapons, be able to hol through your weapon maybe, and not worry about your sunglasses. Um, those kinds of things are all should be not easy to train, but they're just repetition at, at, at Glencoe right down in, in wherever it is in Georgia. I mean, they go to Brunswick, Georgia, right. They go through everything. Secret service goes through the training and goes for another four or five weeks of training just on body, just on body on body. That's it. Right. That's all they do. So, you know, all of the different, you know, fake arms and with a gun in the other hand, all those things are, I think, are in place. But where the focus needs to be is you hit on it. Communication. How do we communicate? And if we don't have a program in place, there's things out there. I mean, I talked about Mike Rogers before with CRG. Mike Rogers took the planning, how we led the Bin Laden mission, took that, the one map with everybody on the same sheet of music so you knew exactly what K1 meant, Kilo 1 meant. Didn't mean something for you because you're in dev group and something different for me because I'm in the Ranger Battalion.

Everybody knew. When you say Kilo One, it's there. That's it right there. That's where we go. Right. So he took that and made it into more of a specialized school. He does schools. He does business.

He's starting to do high net worth. I think you'll see him starting to get into more of this. Right. So I would perfect that. So we're all talking the same language and then the advanced party, I would, I would increase my training to people to teach them how to be advanced party specialists, how to go out, ask the right questions based on an, based on a good analyst. You get a good analyst who could look at social. I mean, we've, we use

them now. We've got, they're there. They're out there. I use them all the time. Tell me exactly the four or five things. Sometimes it's just eyes on. Sometimes it's going out. Simple. Talking to people. It's not hard. That's what I would do.

And put something in place that is, I get it, it's financially sound. It's reasonable. It's not obsessive on the cost side. But that says these are the budget items we need. We don't need more weapons. We don't need more weapons. We've got great weaponry. Right?

That contract's already signed, sealed. You also need the right people, too, though. You need the right people. And the training is all about that. And being able to say you're going to be the best analyst the Secret Service ever had. And you're going to be great at credit cards. You're going to be great at forgery. You're going to be great at cyber.

But you're never fucking going to be standing next to a presidential candidate ever it's okay yeah it's okay to do that yeah you ha this i mean this is this is the big leagues yes you have to you have to say look you can play for the yankees or you can't maybe you're gonna be the bad boy that's it that's all we can do right so that Right. So that, that would be my push. That would be my push. Well, Jim, and I'm available to be hired. This is fucking awesome. RFK. Yeah. And I love curb your enthusiasm. Her wife was very hot. She she's, she's still a baddie. She's still, he did well, he did well, but we have your link down in the description so people can go check that out.

Let's go take the everyday spy quiz and all that. I appreciate everyone's patience with the audio. We had it wrong when I first went on. I was producing this myself today. That is entirely my fault. So my apologies for all that. Thank you for hanging with me, Jim. You did an awesome job while a lot was going on here while we were doing this.

I did. So thank you for coming in. You're a professional, bro. I love being. This is my favorite place to be. That's the best thing I can hear, man. Yep. You're the man. Thank you. We are going to have more content. I I love being. This is my favorite place to be. That's the best thing I can hear, man. Yep, you're the man. Thank you.

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