Julian Dorey Podcast - 😳 [VIDEO] - FBI Agent REVEALS What's (Really) Behind Trump Raid | Special Agent Jim DiOrio • #113

Episode Date: August 15, 2022

(***TIMESTAMPS in Description Below) ~ Jim DiOrio is a Former FBI Interrogation Expert, Military Veteran, Undercover Operative, and Savage. A member of West Point’s Class of 1986 (along with his roommate and former Secretary of State/Director of The CIA, Mike Pompeo), Jim served overseas as an Army Ranger in the late 80’s and early 90’s before leaving the military and joining the FBI. He went on to spend 10 years as one of the most successful undercover agents in the Bureau’s history––and another 15 as a ferocious Special Agent In-Charge and heralded FBI interrogator around the world. Basically, he was the guy who told Captain Phillips he could have his boat back. Currently, Jim is the CEO of J3 Global, an international crisis/security firm (or as he explains it: “I’m Ray Donovan with more experience”). In his spare time, he also owns a Jersey Mike’s because why not. ***TIMESTAMPS*** 0:00 - Intro; Jim’s initial reaction to FBI/Trump Mar a Lago Raid; Wiretaps; A Rat in the case 25:47 - How search warrants are executed; Jim story about US Senator he investigated; Trump’s family involved? 47:28 - FBI Weaponized?; How chain of command works in FBI & DOJ; Election-Season FBI investigation protocol 1:01:19 - FBI organization in the Trump case; Judge Reinhart & how judges work in search warrant process; A funny story about a mafia investigation Jim did 1:24:28 - How the FBI preps search warrants; White House involvement in the case 1:43:01 - Russia/China talk; The politicization of America; Excited FBI Agents 2:07:45 - Jim explains how to fix the FBI 2:26:41 - Intelligence involvement in the case? 2:39:21 - Debating Andrew Bustamante’s claim that America needs a common enemy; Pelosi’s Taiwan Trip; A Richard Nixon and Jimmy Carter conversation 2:59:12 - What Jim anticipates will come next in the Trump investigation; The FBI seized a Congressman’s phone too ~ YouTube EPISODES & CLIPS: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0A-v_DL-h76F75xik8h03Q ~ Get $150 Off The Eight Sleep Pod Pro Mattress / Mattress Cover (USING CODE: “TRENDIFIER”): https://eight-sleep.ioym.net/trendifier PRIVADO VPN FOR $4.99/Month: https://privadovpn.com/trendifier/#a_aid=Julian Julian's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/julianddorey ~ Beat provided by: https://freebeats.io Music Produced by White Hot Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Do you have faith in the FBI today? I would love to be able to say, what's the end game on this, boys? The only time that we would hold a search warrant and not execute it, even though we're prepared to execute it, would be what we call an approach. So for instance, it's off the charts that people would sit and accuse the FBI of being weaponized.

Off the fucking charts. Why? Wrong. What? Wrong. It's basically a diversion of this election cycle. That's what we want. We won't want any tweeting and be able to put your own sport coat on. Done. what we want. We won't want any tweeting and be able to put your own sport coat on. Done.

You're elected. We're not planting. We're not planting evidence. We're not going to do that. For instance, I'll give you for instance, there was a sitting United States Senator that I searched in the summer of 2001. I'll never forget, he had a hash pipe that was in the shape of a dick. What's cooking everybody i am joined in the bunker today by my very good friend and your favorite former special agent in charge of the fbi jim diorio and yeah we're breaking down the entire trump raid jim obviously has a lot of thoughts on this and he didn't leave any on

the table the dude came in here as fired up as i've ever seen him obviously episode 48 is one of the most popular episodes we've ever done in here people loved him in 73 74 and 100 as well so i know you guys are always looking forward to him coming back and this one was quite timely it's quite timely so we recorded it on wednesday night there's one or two things we discussed that we've since found out. But other than that, this is mostly just a full analysis of the situation. He got into even like some things he would do to fix the FBI. And in the last hour, we talked a lot about intelligence and some of the agencies as well. So loaded episode, please share it around with your friends. If you are on YouTube

right now, please hit that subscribe button, hit that like button on the video. And as always, would love to see you down in the comment section below to everyone who is on apple or spotify thanks for checking out the show over there if you haven't already be sure to leave a five-star review on either one of those platforms and i look forward to seeing you guys again for future episodes that said you know what it is i'm julian dory this Trendafire, and please welcome my very good friend, Special Agent Jim D'Orio. Jimmy D. What's up, dude? Make it make sense for me, brother. Oh, I wish I can make sense of it myself, but I'm going to give it a really, really good shot. So excited to be here. I am glad you're here. This was last minute. It was an idea immediately thrown out by a bunch of

fans at the same time one guy hit me and then two other people were hitting me while i was on the phone with you then a bunch of people hit me later in the day and i was like he's literally coming in tomorrow so naturally this whole trump raid has people depending on what side of the issue or if they're in the middle of the issue in certain cases up in arms and it's very natural to think that for sure because it is unprecedented we haven't seen a former u.s president ever be rated in never in in any facet by the federal government so we'll get into everything that's going on right now what the latest updates are and all that. But first of all, what do you make

of this? Well, my first, you know, I gotta be honest, my first initial reaction was one of anger. And I say that because, you know, as we all know, I feel like I'm, I'm tight with with the audience. And I feel like they understand who I am and what I'm about. And so the first definitely, definitely the first response or more, I'm embarrassed to say the first reaction was anger based on the fact that my old agency, many of my people who are still there, who's still doing the job, what they must be feeling. And, you know, we were talking a little bit, right, you and I on the phone, and I talked about the fact that I've been reached out to by a whole bunch of my former folk at the FBI and then some of my, many of my classmates from West Point. And the overriding kind of request is, dude, what's going on? You know, what's happening? Where are we at? How is, how is, does this possibly get off the ground? What do you think? Are you okay? How are the guys?

How are the girls? How are the Bureau, you know, powers that be? And it was, it was mind, absolutely mind boggling for me to sit and kind of digest it all and then try to come to peace so that I could sleep last night. Honestly, I had a hell of a time sleeping, which isn't completely abnormal for me because my head races. But at the same time, where is this coming from? What's the purpose of it? And what are we trying to achieve? like you said man this has never been done before to a sitting president and i even started thinking back as far as like you know our first director right j edgar hoover who you know spanned i think i think it's eight or nine presidents the guy worked for yeah he lasted a while yeah he lasted a while right which is why the 10-year you know kind of

political appointee position is put into place right rightfully so. And I was thinking, like, you know, that – now, there was a guy who had some agenda, right? Oh, yeah. But we got away from that, supposedly, right? And my director, who I came in, I've talked to before, about before a lot, is Louis Freeh, one of the greatest men I've ever met, worked for, or known, and a good friend. And then we go through the ranks. But at the end of the day, I tried to digest and I want to try to talk a little bit about the process, which I think is important to understand, and even self-thought and self-realization of the process again, bringing myself back up to speed

from where I've been and what I've done in the past and thinking about it. And there was no place to really put it for me. Cause I'm like, Whoa, there's no other way to look at this. And this is my initial reaction. Then this is a, this is a shot across the bow, you know, trying to remove any chance of this dude running for president again. Right. Do you think that's what it was? I don't know. Or do you think I don't know.

Put on your little hat right now. Do you think it's the opposite? I don't know. I don't know. I know you've watched that little piece that he put out. What's better than a well-marbled ribeye sizzling on the barbecue? A well-marbled ribeye sizzling on the barbecue that was carefully selected by an Instacart shopper and delivered to your door. A well-marbled ribeye you ordered without even leaving the kiddie pool.

Whatever groceries your summer calls for, Instacart has you covered. Download the Instacart app and enjoy $0 delivery fees on your first three orders. Service fees, exclusions, and terms apply. Instacart. Grocer $0 delivery fees on your first three orders. Service fees, exclusions, and terms apply. Instacart, groceries that over-deliver. Immediately after, right? Like a three or four minute clip. I actually didn't. It's actually, I read his statement. The statement is the clip, right? So basically you'll see, and it's clearly a campaign item. Oh yeah. Number one. We had like donate here. Yeah, exactly. But, you know, I thought about a lot of different things that go into the process of actually obtaining a search warrant and of leads me to believe that clearly there's some other things at play, not just outside of the party or not just outside of the DOJ, not just outside of the Trump family

or the Trump support group and team, but inside that. It has to be. There's no other way to secure this particular court order. I saw a bunch of talk, too, about this, about the judge. I briefly saw his name. The judge was signed off. We'll get to that. Yeah. We'll get, because I'm going to ask you specifically about the process at some point here. Yeah, definitely. But I think my overriding reaction, again, embarrassed to say it wasn't a response, it was a reaction, was like, what the fuck is going on? Who is breaking down in the leadership aspect of the DOJ to include the Bureau? Listen, you know, my thoughts on Chris Wray. I think he's a really nice man. The head of the FBI.

The head of the FBI. He's a really nice man. He's probably a really good attorney. I mean, Lord knows he defended Chris Christie, as we've talked about before. He was Chris Christie's attorney during Bridgegate. Wait, really? Yes. I didn't know that. I don't think we have talked about that. Okay. So he's one Christie's attorney during Bridgegate. Wait, really? Yes. I didn't know that.

I don't think we have talked about that. Okay, so he was one of the attorneys during Bridgegate, right? And actually, Christie's cell phone sat in his safe in his law office, Chris Ray. And it didn't get broken into. Correct. It didn't get broken into. We'll talk more about this, but the whole deal with they brought a basically like a safe cracker in. No, you're obligated to open the fucking safe

yes period once it's in there i understand how that goes down but i'm gonna we're i'm gonna ask a lot of questions around the full million percent what went on and i want to do that for sure but i think that was kind of the anger of once again being disappointed in um the agency that I served so honorably and so long for and with so many fantastic people that I just felt bad. I was heartbroken, to be honest, that we would kind of utilize this particular method of garnering information that there's many easier and better ways to go about. And it's heavy coming from you because I know how much you do truly care about it. You were there for 25 years before that. People who have watched this podcast and love Special Agent Jim DiIorio, they know your deal.

You were West Point, Army Ranger, the whole bit. You've given your life to this country. And over the past four or five years, it's been the first time ever in your adult life that you're working outside privately on your own company and business. But, you know, I said in there, could it be the opposite? Like, we'll talk about that later. Yeah, definitely. Because it does, like, when we look at this from a high level, it's very interesting coming from you because you're not a Trump guy.

You don't like trump at all your friends were around him esper pompeo stuff like that obviously mark has put out or secretary esper has put out a memoir of sorts about his time scathing them right about his time as secretary of defense and and certainly was no fan of the donald but looking at this from the high level i see a guy who is almost doing something new every week to show that he's he's gone nuts and literally like writing himself off and yet then i keep seeing the same playbook that I watched in 2015 and 2016 happen where the media and the full response basically drives people right into his fucking arms because I don't care what this was all about and we're going to talk about that for sure but if you were going to do this I don't give a shit what part of that you are if you're one of the agents collecting the stuff or you're the guy

who signed off on it you knew what the headlines were going to be. The headlines were – it could have been about nothing, and it may very well be about nothing, but the headlines are going to read, FBI raids former President Trump's house. And suddenly everyone's going to be like, well, I'll be dipped in shit. They really do – they are out to get this guy, right? And people will ignore all the other stuff. And suddenly we'll be looking at – instead of four years of Trump, we'll be looking at 12 because we're doing another four right now. And then we'll do four more with him in office. So I don't think that's a good outcome.

But I really want to start at the top because I have an absolute expert, someone who's done these raids a million times in front of me. question on this is when you get an investigation right it comes on your desk whether it's referred to you from police who have already started it or some sort of inquiry whistleblower whatever it is is the first thought how soon can we get a warrant to be able to go into x place or y place where where the suspect is not the first thought i would say that's in the top 10. You know, it's a nice method. It's a way to do business. It's a way to garner information and evidence because the Bureau's only job is to collect evidence that help to, you know, allow federal prosecutors or the DOJ to move a case forward. That's our job, collect evidence, period, with interest around the United States of America. And upholding the law. And upholding the law, but, you know, of crimes, obviously.

But we don't necessarily say, yeah, we've got to get search warrant because it gives us an opportunity to get everything that we need and to move through and whatever. So I want to explain more about that. But it's funny, you know, you said something just a second ago. That also crossed my mind as far as leading people or having people think that he is being ramrodded. So who would be in best position to benefit from that? Well, himself, his family, those around him. So when we talk a little bit about the process of a search warrant, I want to come back to that and talk a little bit more about why that kind of sprung as well in my head. You know, it's kind of disheartening to see the Bureau also talk about this or prove this or show this as a raid, quote unquote, a raid. We were taught, and I taught my people along the way

for, I guess, a couple of iterations of new folks coming up and becoming senior managers or senior agents and senior managers that ultimately are the leadership of the Bureau now. We never talked about raids because that sounds like, you know, it sounds a little bit paramilitary. We're raiding. No, we're executing a search warrant. And we're executing a search warrant that's very specific in scope and that has, you know, there's a factor with regards to probable cause that says it's more likely than not that we will find evidence of a specific crime, a specific criminal action. So I am very curious and kind of antsy about getting a chance, and usually they'll publish this particular warrant at some point, or at least what we call the B, it's kind of an addendum, which lists everything that we're looking for. It might not give the actual lead up. They may not be able to lead up of, you know, here's how this was presented to a federal judge. And then ultimately, here's

the different things. Here's the scope of the warrant, things that we're looking for that prove one of, I think it's 2,000 federal statutes that can be violated based on this. When you hand someone a warrant like this one, for example, we're going to search a 128-room building. Yes. How long is that warrant? Is this like one of those SEC contracts where it's like 50 pages and a bunch of print? No, this is going to be huge because each particular room and area has to be specified with a description of that area, what it looks like, where the most likely spaces are going to be that evidence can be stored, what kind of evidence we're looking for, where the file cabinets are, where the desks are, if there's computers, where the windows are, what the outside of that

particular room looks like, to include decor, the outside of the home, the gates, the fences, the water around, all that has to be particularly described. And all of that can actually be kind of, you know, in a court hearing can actually be defended and actually be tried as part of a court hearing to suppress evidence. So if you think about the specifics with regards to this particular warrant, it took a hell of a lot of time. It took a hell of a lot of effort and it took somebody on the inside. What do you mean by that? Well, okay. So how am I going to get back in the old days without giving up too much information? And I say the old days only because I'm an old guy. And back when I worked cases and we would want to pursue a search warrant application, by the way, which most good, we always talk about the two-thirds rule. So the good United States, assistant United States

attorneys would want us to exhaust every other method of investigation. Can you just tell people who haven't heard what the two-thirds rule is? Yeah. So two-thirds rule is basically you've got two people that kind of do the work and one person that doesn't do a damn thing. On average. On average. Right. And that's accepted and that's the way it is. So same thing on the U.S. Attorney's Office. Same thing on the DOJ. Got a couple of people that are looking to just move through, get their experience and go get the big job. Right. So you always want that career federal prosecutor because they're going to listen to your plan of action, your investigative plan of action. And that would be, for me,

the ultimate goal in a criminal investigation is to get up on people's phones, right? To wiretap. You know how impossible that is? It's pretty much almost impossible without exhausting every other method of investigation. Right. Because between, I'm going to forget the years, but there was like a seven or eight year bracket. I want to say it was like 05 to 2012, but don't quote me on that part. Yeah. Where there were, and I forget the title.

What's the title for wiretaps? It's a Title III. Title III is a wiretap. No, there's a, yeah, that might be it, but there's another – there's a superseding law that they wrote in – Yeah, like Title 18 that has portions of it that indicate Title III, which is really – Title III is more the application method. So what are you actually doing? How are you actually picking up the transmissions, right?

The bottom line is between those years, there were roughly 20, 000 applications in secret courts to get these wiretaps on behalf of government and the judges turned down six okay the idea that of 20 000 investigations 19 994 of them had fully exhausted everything and had proven on paper correctly with the proper evidence that they had fully exhausted everything is ridiculous. So I am a little skeptical when I hear someone say, like, oh, it's really, really hard to get. But I can understand that you're skeptical, but of the millions that were brought forward and discussed with regards to being able to do this. So, you know, there are certain things that you can't do. You're saying before going to the court. Right. So one of the things that, you know, we used to talk about and what a lot of the really

good federal prosecutors would say is, hey, let's surveil. Why can't we surveil these folks? Because what we're trying to do sometimes on a Title III is just to make connections, to make links, right? So if I can quickly and lazily hear it on the phone that you're talking to me, well, I know we're linked in some form or fashion, and then I can go and do my work. But I can also surveil you, and I can also tell, oh, wait a minute, you guys met up, you went and grabbed a cup of coffee, you know, okay, so you're linked in that particular form or fashion, right? So what we always looked at, though, was is there some type of counter-surveillance acumen on the part of the people that we're looking at. And depending on the

nature of the crime and depending on kind of the groups of folks that we were looking at, yeah, some of them were extremely skilled in counter surveillance. So we couldn't do that, right? Sure. One of the methods that you have to exhaust is interview. Yes. Interviews, right? So am I going to come, let me come to the drug dealer and say, hey man, are you selling drugs? Oh, exhausted. Let's go up on the phones. No, of course not, right? Of course not. But I think one of the bigger things that you got to

think about when it comes to a search warrant, and I heard a lot of this going on in the last 24 hours with people talking heads, basically sitting on the news channels and saying you know um think things basically talking about the process and then talking about the probable cause that it takes to get a search warrant you know kind of signed off on what they haven't mentioned is the fact that the investigation that surrounds that application for a search warrant is normally so exhaustive by by the two-thirds is so exhaustive the good ones so exhaustive that that search warrant is has already been written throughout the course of the plan of act the investigative class of plan of action when i used to think of it's a very it's a guide it's an outline for what down the line may be the indictment or down the line may be the information that that particular person who's charged or not charged may sign to sign a plea agreement.

It lines up exactly what our thought process is going forward in order to, one, prove the investigation and kind of our plan of action, what we're going to do. And, two, it's utilized to gain and garner that search warrant. Now, we cannot do that without having a source or someone on the inside that's feeding us that information. That's what concerns me. So your implication there, if i'm understanding this correctly is that there is someone presently working around trump for him in some capacity who is effectively leaking in their rack that or the only other thought there is that there's a source that at one point was working in or around that knows of or had information regarding the presence or existing existence of evidence that is in or around that residence. being said there's a very very strong stipulation within uh search warrant kind of um law that says you must have a fresh kind of recollection or a fresh idea with regards to why you're going in now so in other words if six or eight months ago uh it was known that some paper or some document

that was you know supposed to be secured was sitting sitting on the desk in room 121 in the mansion, where is it today? That's the question that a good federal prosecutor is going to ask. Well, okay, it was there eight months ago. Some of us have shit that has been laying around for eight months in our house, but a lot of us don't. A lot of us don't. A lot of us don't. So we have to continue to freshen up right to the 30-day pre-operation kind of time frame. Why is 30 days significant? I mean, it's 30, 60, something along those lines. There's a statute implication that indicates, hey, we need a fresh warrant.

So sometimes what the Bureau will do is they'll, you know, they'll check mail. They'll do like, you know, a kind of a mail from a statement on a bank still going to this address. Wait, hold on. Now you lost me. What does that have to do with it being, with what they're going after being fresh? Well, I mean, the bottom line is you want to, you want to make sure, in this case, we know, I mean, it's pretty publicized that Donald Trump's residence is that residence. But I'm talking like, take it outside of the realm of this. Take it to, hey, somebody was leasing a home in downtown Philadelphia, right? And six months ago, a source or someone else was visiting that home and saw a weapon, a legal weapon,

sitting on top of a countertop within that kitchen, right? Well, we don't know if the lease is now expired and that person's gone. So we don't want to take a chance at going into the wrong residence of the wrong house so the only freshen it up the only level of proof when you say freshen it up the only level of proof is that the structure or place where they exist or go is still the thing that's it that's the other part that that six months ago that gun thing doesn't have to be fresh you can be like someone saw it. That's good enough. We proved they still live there. As long as we know the person's still there.

Correct. Correct. That's an interesting, that's very important. Absolutely. Okay. So my thought would be, and the conspiracy theorist side of me says, someone was informing the FBI, and then the FBI was informing a federal prosecutor that, in fact, this is the way it looks in here. These are where the things that we're looking for were placed. This is what the

description of those things were. This is who carried the information or those pieces of evidence into or out of the location. And most importantly, hey guys, you better hustle up and go because I have a feeling that those things can be destroyed if we don't get it, you know, X, whatever the hour was. Well, I guess they came in the evening, right? Well, they came at, they were, this is the other thing. Now it is a 128 room building that they were in, but they were there reportedly according to multiple sources online from approximately 9 a.m to 6 30 p.m okay how normal is it to have a what's that nine and a half hour check i've had i've had 36 hour search warrants really on what

so can you give me an example of that? All different types of cases. Like what? Like I've had one on an environmental case. So what would take 36 hours? There was so much discovered and documented and reviewed to make sure it was within scope. And then there was a larger area that came off of the fact our initial search discovered, hey, we may have to look in X area as well. So it expands the search. Where was this? You don't have to say exactly where, but what type of place, what type of-

A factory, like a manufacturing facility. So manufacturing facility, big place. Okay. Big place with a storefront and with its own manufacturing piece to it. Now, what about the rules of what you take to too? Yes. So are there types of – do certain warrants say you have a warrant to search the premises for X object but not anything else? And then are there some warrants that say you have a warrant to search everything? No, there's no warrant that's going to say everything. The scope is going to be defined, however. And it's going to be defined not just by chronological order, like in dates. So from 1 September 1999 to 1 September 19, you know, 19 or 2006.

But it's also going to say, here are the things that pertain to these particular items, you know, these particular topics, I should say. So let's just say everything that pertains to, you know, United Airline ticket vouchers, let's say from this date to this date. So you can take that. But you can review as you're looking for that stuff. You have to review everything. So you can't just assume, oh, wait a minute, there's a box for United Airline ticket vouchers. Grab that and just leave everything else behind. No, you're going to review everything to make sure you're not missing one that was stuck into another file or whatever. However, that being said,

there's plain view is a doctrine within any law enforcement, any statute, any legal kind of representation. And plain view means, hey, if I'm in here and I'm only searching for documents, but all of a sudden I look over and i see a pipe bomb okay that's that's that's plain view however what you're what you're required to do is to call back to the federal magistrate and to through your federal prosecutor and prepare a supplemental warrant so i find a pipe bomb on the table yep i can't go grab it right now. I need to take out my iPhone and call. You have to secure it. You have to secure it in the best way. That's a bad example. But what I mean is you might have to back off people. Let's just say it's a handgun.

That's better because it's not going to blow up in your face. So it's a handgun and you know that the person is a convicted felon and they're not supposed to have a handgun, right? So at that point, you can secure it, but you can't take it until you gain a supplemental search warrant. So you can think about the time that may take in order to say, oh, my God, I was looking for X, but I found Y. Y still pertains to a crime, but it's not the crime that we actually have permission to search on behalf of. So now I have to call and go through the process of gaining an additional supplement to this warrant. How often do those rules get broken? All the time.

Oh, broken never. Honestly. Never, never. I mean, the lawyer could just claim right away. Well, that was illegal. Yeah, exactly right. Now, the mistakes that are sometimes made, and they're not intentional mistakes, you may have a situation where, hey, I looked at a thick file, let's say a two-inch file that indicated United Airlines vouchers, ticket vouchers, right? And I looked and I said, oh, this looks pretty good. I went through 100 out of the 150

of them. They're all within scope. They're all the right thing. But there's something stuck in there that was a letter, a love letter from the subject to his wife. And I just forgot. I didn't look through that. Right? That's a mistake. That's an error.

Right? And you would go back, and as you're cataloging all of this evidence, you're like, holy cow, we took something we're not supposed to have taken. That happens. And then that's simply an exchange between the defense attorney and the U.S. attorney's office to say, hey, here are the six things that we took out of scope erroneously, and here's the reason why it happened. And it's just as simple as the explanation I just gave. Hey, I was digging through, I looked through something, I thought it was all in place and and i put it forward as evidence and it wasn't so what about

that story you told i think the very first podcast you ever did in here about the one guy you'd been investigating for a while and you couldn't find money in the house and he looked at you and said well you're not allowed to check the warrant doesn't cover the garage and then you went out and got a lot of fucking money from the garage yeah is that one where you had to then call up and say subject said warrant doesn't cover the garage so now we need a warrant we did make that call but we knew that it wasn't a detached garage it was part of the structure so we knew we were we knew we were okay doing that but that's a great example let's say it was a detached garage.

It was a separate building. And in the course of our preparing to actually explain the premises, our source or our undercover agent said, yeah, no, the garage is attached. And then we got there and said, oh, no, it's not. And there's an office upstairs, whatever that might be. Then that becomes a story of, hey, we need to get a supplemental. So we would make that call, explain, hey, look, we were told over the course of time, in fact, this was an attached garage. It's not.

There was an office on top of it. We do believe that there's a chance that there's some evidence in those particular areas. Would you be willing to issue a supplemental warrant? And then the judge will think about it and say, okay, did the source or did the undercover ever see the subject traveling between the home and into that garage? Is there evidence inside the garage that would indicate that that was his office space? Is there a vehicle inside the garage that makes sense for something that he drove? And do you have proof that he drove that vehicle and that is his vehicle? And then you would inside you know he'd say hey just search around see if you could find any agreement between uh you know a leasee of the garage space that doesn't live in the home and we would really

go out of our way to make sure that um you know we got the appropriate or the easiest thing is just ask for consent right so you get an opportunity to talk with the lawyer with the defense or not to the person you're not talking about the crime you're just indicating hey sir do you mind if we take a look inside you know inside the garage and you'll get your answer there either way if he says like go fuck yourself the one you know you got to supplement because there's stuff in there or if he says yeah absolutely not a problem so we're going to weave back and forth today between your experiences along with exactly what's going on here it'll just kind of go naturally absolutely yep but for this one a couple things you you said there just got my attention on some of the details from the raid they just did on on trump but for one thing

it's been reported according to his lawyers they were not permitted in the building while he conducted while the raid was conducted at all they they asked for access they were not permitted in the building while he conducted – while the raid was conducted at all. They asked for access. They were not permitted. As one lawyer, Christina something or other, said that on record, they were also asked to turn off the security cameras to which they said go fuck yourself. And then the feds, they were trying to fish for consent obviously. They didn't get it. The cameras were on the whole time.

Now I'm going to guess the cameras cover most of every inch of that place, but there could be small things that don't. And so, is it customary for a person's, the subject of the warrants, attorneys to be on site and be denied access to following the agents around, or even the person who's having the search conducted on them? Are they told they must be outside their house and they can't be there while they're doing it? Is that legal? Yeah, that is customary. And I'll tell you how it works. And I'll tell you how it's worked in examples from both sides of that, right? So for instance, the first thing we normally do if we're searching a business or a resident is we explain to whoever's home, whoever's there, hey, for the day, you know,

we're going to be doing this. We're going to be searching. It's probably going to be X number hours. We think it's going to be 12 hours. We think it's going to be an overnighter. We welcome you. You're welcome to stay, but here's your space. You're going to be able to sit over there in one spot. You're not detained. You can leave at any time, but we can't have you kind of wandering around for our safety. What if you plant something, though? I mean,

we're not going to allow somebody to follow us around. And you have to assume, I think, with everything that's being said about the FBI, we're not planting evidence. We're not going to do that. I want to make this clear, too. I think all the defund the FBI talk is insane. It's bullshit.

Go ahead. Defund it, just like you did. I would like to see Trump go away. So this is not helping with him going away. But if I am looking at this from a common sense perspective, you're telling me that you're incapable of finding agents? Or to say there could be some people who are undercover there. This is the former president.

You don't think they could plant something? Let me follow it up with the fact that we have, for instance, I'll give you for instance, there was a sitting United States senator that I searched in the summer of 2001. Okay, I searched his residence we allowed his attorney just because we were we had a really good relationship with him and um we allowed him to kind of walk side by side with the leadership that controlled that premises for the time and those in position with the fbi that were of in leadership roles to kind of escort him through while we were doing it are agents also required to wear body i'm just thinking of this no no no we're not required okay we'll come back to that yeah and we're not we're not required to tape interviews so it's all our recollection that's of yeah. I mean, so that's just, that's the, you know, that's the difference.

Well, that's what kind of differentiates us from your local PD. You know, we also have never kneeled on somebody's throat. So that's a good thing, you know. But bottom line is, that's a case. 2001 Senator, you're talking about. 2001 Senator. So that's a case-by-case basis. And I made that decision personally because i knew the attorney and i knew that it would help our case now

unfortunately uh you know a month later the the twin towers went down and uh the u.s attorney at the time was mary jo white out of the southern district in new york she was sec later she was yeah and she basically came to us and said, your case is over. I'm not indicting a sitting United States Senate why the buildings are burning. So that's exactly what happened. And you're not allowed to say who that senator was, are you? Yeah. It was not – who was the other guy at the time?

It wasn't Menendez. It wasn't – Lautenberg? It wasn't Lautenberg. It wasn't Corzine. He had terrible hair plugs, the guy that we did. That narrows it down. Yeah.

All right. All right. So basically, that's a relational kind of situation, right? Hey, guys. If you're enjoying this episode, please be sure to share it around on social media and with your friends. Spreading the word about the podcast is the best possible thing we can do to make this thing grow and allow us to continue to get great guests like this. So thank you to each and every one of you who have been sharing around the links to the episodes each week. And thank you to all of you who are going to do it now. How do I relate versus how does the next guy relate to

that particular attorney, that resident, that representative? Me personally, I would not have a problem with an escorted attorney coming through with us with a copy of the search warrant. I just don't know why that's not automatically a thing. It's just not because we value safety. That's our thing. We don't want anybody walking around behind us, around us, having an opportunity to look at things or change things or move things during the time that we need to see the things exactly where they were, how they were found, and to corroborate in our head, yeah, all right, that's good information that we got. Or, uh-oh. And there may be a problem. You may see an uh-oh in a month.

It just seems suspect to me that you'd have the biggest raid in modern history. And it might be over nothing, by the way. We'll get to that. But because of the person involved, it seems suspect that they tell the lawyers to fuck off. It's not. It truly is. That is most of the way involved, it seems suspect that they tell the lawyers to fuck off. It's not. It truly is. That is most of the way it works, honestly. That is most of the way it works.

We don't want any interruptions or distractions. We don't want to be negotiating with an attorney, defense attorney, in the middle of a search warrant scene. We want to get our job done, make sure everything's right, make sure we leave the proper voucher that shows what we took, exactly what we took. Photograph things in place and move out. Get out. That's another question, though. Trump came out and talked about this right after, and the thing I can't understand is why didn't he just take pictures of the vouchers that were left and release them?

I'm not sure what he's doing you know i'm not sure what the dynamic of that is or whether or not his attorneys are suggesting or kind of um you know telling him not just suggesting but ordering him to keep his mouth shut but good good luck um you know ultimately but but but the thing i think the thing that bothers me more than anything and getting outside of the process itself the process is very regimented it's the way it's supposed to be it's a chain of evidence issue it's making sure that you know we we pass it through as few people as we can each document or each box or each computer or each hard drive, whatever we took, whatever they were asked or allowed to take, we want to keep that as simple as possible. And having people wander around

behind us or with us, it's not the time to negotiate. It's not the time to proffer. We don't want to hear any statements. We don't want to get accused of talking to someone that we're not supposed to be talking to, even asking questions. Or, you know, quite frankly, it's really a safety issue. My whole, and we're probably going to get into this, my whole dilemma with this thing is the simplicity of other methods of getting the exact same information quicker without having any of this coverage, having any issues um in the in the press without having any issues from this guy or from any other person that's in office out of office or thinking about running for office so that's the other big 500 pound elephant in the room here you have a situation where according to the reports trump has been you know for as much

of a nuisance as he can be on stuff he has been very cooperative with this whole thing as late as may 2022 there were fbi agents on site searching a storage room it was at mar-a-lago while he was still there before he came up to New Jersey. It was agreed to by his attorneys. I said, yeah, come in, do it. He even stopped by and said hello according to people who were there. And I think that one was even from CNN, but don't quote me on that. I'm pretty sure CNN reported that though. But he also had been going back and forth behind the scenes throughout at least all of this year, but I assume before that too, between his team and the

state's attorneys, like the national attorneys, along with, and this is the part I didn't understand, the people representing the National Archives. So how does that work? Doesn't the DOJ represent them? I was a little confused at that i think it's a separate you know kind of branch assignment doj versus national archives and who are the national archives i think they're basically the people that you know what's his name um oh my nicholas cage was trying to steal the the shit from in those movies so okay so yeah i mean they they hold their house and hold or they held responsibility for the original constitution the original declaration all those things and they they track everything back

um you know when who came over in ellis island all those things that's the archives so they're basically they were reported as having concern that trump who's no longer president held documents correct that have national security implications but this is like a museum curator here's what i understand here's i don't understand it either but here's my thought they wouldn't it be great and whoever's crazy mind orchestrated this and you know it's not far-fetched to think it might have been his family to just calm him the fuck down from ever running from president again. Right. Whoa. Okay. So that's just, I'm going to say that because that crossed my mind.

All right. Because how the hell do you get access to that place? How do you get access to the place? So ultimately, wouldn't it be great to find X document sitting in a frame on his desk? Would it surprise you from that guy? Fuck no. No. It wouldn't surprise you right so how much more embarrassing can it be for him not that he gives a shit but for his family for his kids for baron right the youngest one is really the concern that i have oh you think baron did it no i, I'm just saying for Barron, for that poor kid, anxiety-ridden kid, like 6'9", 132 pounds. You know what I mean?

Like, there's something to that for me. That's where I would be going with this. That's where I would be going with this. So you do think it could have been him? I absolutely do. Okay. I absolutely do think it could be somebody. You didn't hear my first question.

Just to kind of shut him up. You know, just to kind of shut up the fact. No, no, I listened to it, but I wanted to talk about it later because it crossed my mind okay all right okay so ultimately um i think they left no stone unturned whoever did this whether it be who everybody believes it is maybe it's his own party and maybe it's his family i think that's the three kind of buckets you need to spend your time looking at. Each of those. The thing that blows my mind, though, is the same exact point we talked about right at the beginning of this, which is that this has the opposite effect. I always say this.

Maybe. Maybe. Maybe. Actually, that's fair. It could go either way. We don't know how it's going to turn out. But I look at that 2015-2016 playbook and what they did they did and i go back i was saying this right when it happened after the whole january 6 debacle and all the bullshit he pulled there they gave him the greatest present ever by banning

him from the social media platforms making and and it was a big deal what went down and everything but then trying to make this whole other thing out of it all these other people that might not even have anything to do with it overplaying some of it and i'm like you are giving him you're making his message ring true his message is that the state hates you and they're gonna they're gonna they're gonna come against anyone who's from the outside and this is playing right into his play play into his hands his hands right his narcissistic crazy hands yes right who's gonna run for president right but the party's the party isn't looking at that favorably you know they're preparing they're preparing have you have you heard what they're saying and because it's the same nuts i can name the people in new jersey who are going to keep giving millions of dollars to

his campaign in his back sure because they can't help themselves because they think that makes america better and great again. But look what he did. He and DeSantis have been having friction going at it because they're like, you know, the ones who are going to run against each other. And this situation was now so bad, what was created, that DeSantis had to come out and give a full-throated, and I mean, I guess it's fair coming from his political end of things, give a full-throated, this is a banana republic, you know, this is insane. Of course. So you know this is insane of course so it makes him it makes god to he's got to get the nomination

so now right no but now he's his favorables in florida there's been some polling that's been done in the immediate aftermath that says like oh now it's starting to flip again and now people are liking trump and there's a lot of time to go for sure. But I could see this. I just have looked at it like they love this. They love having this guy cause chaos, and they really just want him around. He loves it. Yes, he does. He loves having chaos. But my thought is, yeah, do I think there's a chance it's an inside job?

But it's an inside job, in my opinion, to shut him the fuck up and get him off of the stage for family reasons and purposes. Right. Good luck. Good luck. But it's going to be difficult for him to do what he thinks he's going to be able to do. Why is that?

I don't know. It's just the sense I get. Listen, we got another guy in the White House who can't figure out if he fucking shook your hand, the other hand. That guy's completely one million percent fucking senile, and he's going to cause a major war here in the next six months if we're not careful. Period. Period. End of discussion.

He's got no place being there. The administration has no place being there. But that just tells you how much Trump is hated. To put that bozo fucking in there. They can hate him, but love Profit and Hopping at the same time. I hate everybody. Understood. I hate everybody.

The FBI, whatever people are accusing them of being, of weaponizing the FBI. No, that's not particularly the case. The bottom line is we fucking, 99.9% of us follow the evidence, right? And we have distrust for everybody, especially in the political branch that we meet. Period. I have distrust until you prove it otherwise. I've worked it. I've done it.

Yeah. You know? And unfortunately, I think I've said this before, I'm relieved finally here almost four years, more than four years later after retirement, I'm finally relieved to meet someone and not know everything about them. I know some things because I wouldn't be doing my job if i went to manhattan and and went into an office and didn't know about two or three guys i need to know something because i also it's also important for my business to be able to know about things but at this point like it's just it it's

it's off the charts that people would sit and accuse the FBI of being weaponized. Off the fucking charts. Just is. We don't have that juice. We don't have the juice to be able to say, we're going to fuck this guy over because that's what we're going to do. No, it's not the case. It's DOJ. It's that fucking idiot AG.

That's who it is. Period. He's getting weaponized because he doesn't even know what's going on. There's another question, though. though yeah there's been conflicting reports i even check right before we went on because by the way we're recording this by the way i'm pissed i'm pissed off about this as you could tell i i you came in ready to go today i'm raging i'm raging i even spilled my coffee all over my fucking lap nice nice and well no one sees because it's below table but no but it's burning but i'm okay oh okay it's not burning on a bad part, right?

No. Just on my thigh. Just making sure. But there's been conflicting reports. We're recording this on Wednesday. This podcast is going to come out on Monday or Tuesday, so there will be more information out. But I've seen different things that seem to beat around the bush as to whether or not Garland was aware of this raid or had to sign off on it himself.

My first thought of, of course he fucking was. At the same time, I do kind of wonder, I'm like, you know, tinfoil hat on though, could this have been something that didn't go past him? 100%, and here's something I want to to this is a good time to talk about this so in my entire career i worked a portion of it in the unit public corruption unit right which is any and all uh you know um official anybody in official capacity whether appointed or elected who was utilizing their position in return for x, whatever X was, money, barter, whatever that particular thing was, right? Along the way, the one rule that was constantly reminded of was in place forever and was something that you had to take into consideration with timing.

Anytime you were either going to interview a person, issue a subpoena in any form or fashion for a politician or their trust account, anything along those lines. Interviews were even, like I said, were even more important. Like, you are not allowed to go talk to X within X amount of days from an election they would not allow you because you would be responsible then potentially for uh affecting that election and that's why they got affecting and influencing correct okay well yeah because he decided to to not just pass evidence along but to actually make the prosecutorial decisions right bozo yeah sammy the bull j, you fucking asshole. But anyway, so if you look at this particular case, for instance, if I wanted to subpoena the attorney's trust account who was representing a senator, a sitting senator in the United States Senate, I would have to get permission from the attorney general. Not from the DAG, not from this guy. The attorney general would have to get permission from the attorney general not from the d.a.j. not from this guy the attorney general would have to say authorized i did it once i know the procedure i know how long

it takes i know how they scrutinize every single word you say every single word you write they look at the timing of it are we up against an election cycle is there money what's the cycle is it the primary is the general what's the packs look like that's that's the that's the amount of time that it takes dumb question real quick just to be sure yeah is this before or after you've received the written okay from the judge well we'll get to the judge so subpoena wise let's remove it even from search warrant okay think about just subpoenas okay which can be issued by a an assistant united states attorney with um a purely a conversation where i would go over and say hey listen uh you know so and so

i've got reason to believe that this person has been predicated to have accepted X in return for Y? Can I subpoena their credit reports? And we would go through a half-hour discussion on why credit reports were going to be important and then immediately say, okay, it's so-and-so. When is the next election cycle for this particular person? What kind of fundraising is going on? How much money have they raised? Where do they hold their fundraisers? Who's some of their allies in the party? Who's some of the allies in the opposite or some of the opponents in the other party? Who are they running against? That's the level for a credit report subpoena. A credit report subpoena to just indicate what accounts are up.

What accounts? I have one at Citibank. I have one at USAA. I have one at Bank of America. Just to look at their financials. Just to look at, just to get credit reports so I could subpoena the financials. So if you think about that level right now, basically, that's a subpoena. That's nothing. That's meaningless, right?

If you think about the level it takes to now get a search warrant, by the way, I think there's a document called a subpoena forthwith, all right? That's why I don't understand why you wouldn't just utilize that, and that is a simple procedure, okay? Two agents, maybe three agents, go to the residence, or most importantly, and more importantly, what would have happened is they would have went to the attorney's office at 9 30 on that day with the subpoena and said, Mr. and Mrs. Attorney, we're going to serve this today on Mr. Trump's residence, okay? These are the documents we're looking for we want no community one-on-one we're gonna we want no communication between you and him all right would you come with us please

accompany us to the residence we are not us three are not leaving this residence no one else is coming not leaving this residence until these documents are produced or explained why they're not present right once that happens we we have an understanding let's just say six of the nine things are not produced we don't know where they are whatever then there's a search warrant that's actually waiting and ready to be signed ready to be sworn out oh so now we come in full force okay right so why why was there a step and there's no there's nothing that we believe there's no evidence that that says that that happened that way it doesn't always happen but it's an easier way to do it if you're not looking if you don't have a political agenda or you're not trying to stop something from happening in the election cycle and that's all

this is it's an election it's it's a it's basically a diversion of this election cycle. Well, they also did it. Apparently, there's some sort of, I assume it's an unwritten rule of like the 90 days out. Once again, COVID broke and that was part of the issue there. Correct. By the way. It's even longer than that, conservatively. Well, either way, like what I've been reading is that they say 90 days. 90 is the written rule. This search was conducted approximately, I read like 91 or 92 days before this Tuesday in November.

That tells you the thought process. Right? There it is. So they timed it up against that. But what you're just saying in that past response is that if you are getting what appears to be, air quotes there, cooperation between a subject of an investigation, their attorneys, or a combination thereof, and you're having meetings and you're not, to use your nine examples, like your nine things example, they're only giving you six or they're only giving you three or whatever,

then you can go to the search warrant. Yes. Which would, in this case, this case support potentially a theory that on behalf of the national archives and in the interest of national security the fbi agents or doj attorneys representatives whoever it was throughout the process involved had been having these meetings had been going on site had been collecting some documents and didn't get everything they needed and therefore they weren't they believe they wanted a search now here's the question if you only in your example got six out of nine things or three out of nine things would you need to go

right to the search warrant or could you go back to them and say you've only given us three or six out of the nine things we need to come in now and meet today and meet with you so that we make sure yes it's a negotiation exactly right so why didn't they do that keep an open line of communication right and just say hey we've worked so well together thank you so much for the information you've provided listen so why did they do that here that's what i want to know that's what i want to know okay so so that is not practice that is not the way it works to say okay the you know listen the only time that we would hold a search warrant hold a search warrant and not execute it even though we're prepared to execute it

would be what we call an approach right so for instance, I want to see if you're going to cooperate, but I have a search warrant for your property. Now, what's the harm if I serve that search warrant and have FBI all over here? People are going to start looking, the news is going to show up, your neighbors are going to call the police, the police are going to call their contacts, and you're blown. There's nothing you can do to help me out if you wanted to cooperate. So I F you over. I fuck you over. Right?

I'm like, fuck you, man. You know what? I don't even want you to cooperate. That's when you know you got a problem. Right? But if I walk in here just to two of us walk in dressed down and knock on the door, Julian, can I talk to you for a second? Listen, we think this is what you're doing, man. We're pretty sure this is what you're doing.

But you can help yourself. And here's how you can help yourself. We don't want to serve the warrant. We don't want to serve the warrant and make a big scene unless I want to make a point, unless I want people to say, holy cow, what Julian was doing you shouldn't do. Period. So in this particular instance, if I have an open line with the people who can produce the documents or the evidence that I need, I should never have to go to search warrant in that form or fashion, especially with like how – was there a couple hundred agents there? Cars, they had the Coast Guard out on the boats.

I mean, come on, man. You know, like that is just a – fuck this guy. Screw him. The agents were in plain clothes though yeah plain clothes with huge fbi jackets on and badges and secret service was i i got a kick out of the fact that so here's another question together you just i forgot about that so allegedly how this went down is that i've seen reports that said 15 minutes i've seen other reports that don't give a specified time so we'll say shortly before same day fbi calls secret service because the former president is protected by secret service

and gives them a heads up we're coming yeah please stand appropriate yeah okay yep the secret service in that situation they work for trump but they really work for the government and they're contracted via the government and subsidized to work for trump so they don't say anything to him they don't give him a heads up they're legally qualified or obligated not to do that and the reason the fbi waits till the last minute i'm guessing is in case there is a leak or something they don't want that okay when that search is going down did they i haven't seen any reports that say whether or not the, maybe I just missed it, but whether or not the Secret Service agents were also ordered out of

the house, but, you know, are they conducting the search? Are there situations where they conduct the search with them or help them out? I would doubt we would want to put those people on the spot. Right. Because they got to come back to the residence because they're assigned assigned that's a team that's actually assigned to former presidents yes and it's so they're they're going to be people that they know you know that he knows and i would doubt that we we would put them in that situation it's kind of the same reason why we wait to the last minute to call them because we don't want to put them in a situation where they're being asked what's going on what's going on as they're approaching you know what's happening what's happening? You know, because you can see demeanor shift. It's the same reason why we don't call.

If I were coming here, you know, to arrest you or to execute a search warrant, I'm not going to call Mullica Hill. I'm not going to call the police department, you know, the day before and say, hey, man, we're coming. Because I don't want to put anybody in a position where they can be questioned down the line. Let's say you looked out the window and, hey, wait a minute in your mindset i think something's going on you know then who are we going to go to hey we gave you the information you we got to believe you turned it over yeah i didn't have a huge problem with that i just wanted to know what yeah and that's kind of the i would think they would remove they would they would welcome to stay on site obviously because they still have to protect the president you know regardless of what's happening it's still their only job is to protect his safety in his life well in that case

he's not there presently but that was the other thing they're still there because it's his residence so they have to protect his executive protection 101 you know they're going to stay there make sure there's no break-ins make sure there's nobody looking around. So they're subsidized security force. But my thought is there were other ways to do this better, more efficiently, and without. If all it was about was collecting this evidence, that's what it really was about. There's other ways to do this. Okay. And they're much easier.

They're much more cost effective i can't imagine what the bill for some of the overtime for the task force officers that were on that search that the government's gonna have to pay yeah we don't think about this but this kind of stuff shit adds up i mean as opposed to sending three active fbi agents to do that who are getting paid salary and doesn't matter if they work five minutes and do Wordle for an hour or they work 60 hours. They're getting the same $172, $559, $98. That's it. Now, let's get into the permission that happened for this.

Okay? So, a couple things. First of all, the agents who were a part of the raid were from the FBI Southern Florida office. And also it was two offices. Them and I don't know if it was Miami. It just said Southern Florida in the one I read. Probably Miami. Either way, like South Florida. Yeah.

And also the D.C. Bureau. So they flew in some guys. Public integrity. Okay. That's the D.C. Bureau. So they flew in some guys. Public integrity. Okay. That's the unit. So this is a normal, I assume this is a very normal type deal where you have multiple offices working on one raid based on expertise or location of the investigation. Or task forcing together. that we had some big issues in the 90s with politicians we the bureau actually formed a campaign finance task force to kind of take a look at who was kind of you know getting

um a little sloppy with their campaign finance tactics and or documentation so sloppy yeah no so it's the same kind of deal here there's probably a team that has senior public corruption agents who come together in D.C. for an extended TDY, a temporary duty, maybe six months, nine months, whatever. And here's their only case. Go. You know, they did that in the past. They did it in the Hillary investigation. You know, they did five or six teams of five or six agents which by the way we'll come back to as well because you can't talk about the specifics of the hillary investigation but you were involved in that investigation right at the end of your career and you left afterward and that was really that was a landmark investigation towards public sentiment of the fbi and where we're at which is now by the way this is this is right left right left right left right left it's just nuts's going on. It's a shame for the rank and file. Yes, it's a shame for a lot of the people.

And the press doesn't even understand how the bureau is set up. I saw some report on one of the cable networks, and basically they're talking. This guy's talking, and he's like, yeah, it's a damn shame because the rank and file agents are so good, but all of the leadership and management are political appointees. Wrong. What? Wrong. The FBI director alone, alone is a political appointee.

Yes, that's it. Period. No one else. The deputy director comes up through the ranks. Him on down. There's 13 that surround that director. Yeah, if your name, when you were named like special agent in charge, that's done through one of the managers at the central office.

It goes through a whole process. It's got nothing to do with anything, you know. That's an important clarification. We don't bring a person in and say, hey, we really like what you're doing on the outside. You're a hell of a lawyer. You're going to take over the Buffalo office. No. Fuck no.

Right. And people also have to know just because – There's one political guy. The guy whose name – And Chris isn't going to engage. He's not going to engage. He's not going to do it. He was appointed by Trump.

Yeah. Right. Right. After he fired Cohen. Always got to get that in. But like that's the other thing. I know from speaking to you on things you've talked about on the record here and then things you can't talk about on the record, when cases go down and don't get made or even when they get made once in a while and off chances, like that doesn't mean all the agents are on board with that.

In fact, it can usually mean that they're all against it. But one asshole is like, oh, fuck it. We're doing it. Right. And so what I do recognize is even though the stakes are at the highest, you are always going to have human error. It's just a part of it. When it could occur, we don't know what's going on here, but we know what it looks like. When it could occur on something like this, it's a mountain out of a molehill if there ever was one.

Absolutely. That's why we're talking about it. Absolutely. about it absolutely but like when when we're talking about the the permission which we touched on a little bit ago as far as like when you were going through the subpoenas and and the warrants and how some of that works it like internally the judge though because this was a warrant i think his name's reinhardt that's right yeah reinhardt in south florida yeah i want to say he was he was a federal prosecutor and he was a florida assistant attorney general too i think i think so he was he was a prosecutor who flipped over to defense side which is normal yep and you know they they really don't like someone at the office needs to check this stuff before they do it

they really gotta look at this stuff because they open themselves up to natural questioning when you go to a judge who defended all of epstein's lieutenants in court as a defense attorney i mean jesus fucking christ how many judges are down there go get a different judge you know so the central question i have is first of all how do they determine who the judge is are there certain judges like is it always magistrate judges that have to do this like are there judges who are on the same court who are not qualified but others are like how does this work yeah magistrates are appointed for a term they're not i don't know what i think it's five years maybe and a lot of them aren't presidential appointees no no and they get they the potential is to get elevated to a

district court judge or an appeals court judge. That's the goal when you become a magistrate. And most of them happen that way. Most of that happens. So magistrate judges are on a schedule. I mean, it's a rotational schedule. So you're on every third week of the month. I'm on every fourth week of the month. And that's how it goes. It doesn't matter what type of case it is. It doesn't matter if it's a search warrant application, a Title III application, an initial appearance, a subpoena discussion, whatever that is, that magistrate, court judge, you know, I know if I'm a good federal prosecutor and I'm paying attention to my cases, oh, you know what?

I want Reinhart this week. And nothing sinister about it. I just get along better with him. So if I go to present a search warrant application and he and I kind of see eye to eye on different things, he's not going to give me as much shit as maybe Smith will give me. And that's human, right? So you're saying you have one in your case.

You're in Office X in statewide. You only have one judge's office you can go to, and it rotates who the judge is. You can't choose another judge's office. District Court of New Jersey has a magistrate list, and it's rotated. So does it matter? So however many they are, and they do their own. Listen, once you get a case, this Judge Reinhart, he'll be with this case for the rest of his time. That's promising.

So he'll issue every single order or whatever until it moves to the level of indictment. Then a district court would take over. Does it matter? Because this one, again, it's like a national case, but it's in Florida where they're doing it. Since it was the D.C. office and the Florida office working on it, and they both have an interest in the case, could they have gone to the magistrate judge in DC, whoever that is, as opposed to the Florida one, even though the raid was in Florida? No, they're going to go to the actual venue from where the raid or the search one is going to take place. However, you're going to have federal prosecutors

assigned to that task force, that public integrity task force, that are going to be arguing or going to be preparing or at least have a say in the preparation of that affidavit for that search warrant. So you're not going to have the choice to go to a D.C. or a Florida guy, but you will have people that are from D.C. that are coming down to argue or to prepare this search warrant application. So that's kind of the and hey they may even i don't know it used to be where public you know whether it be public integrity section or the campaign finance task force attorneys federal prosecutors would would take over they would they would have they would be able to to take you off the case and say hey look you can work with, but I'm making the calls on this. Why are we just so close to everything, all this stuff, all politics now? Like, you know, even with Trump, look at some of his record on stuff.

Somehow everything's tied to Epstein. I don't understand it. And I, you know, that makes sense to me. I appreciate that explanation. So now it's like, well, yeah, technically that was just the guy. That was who they had to go to. That's the office they have to go to. That was the guy who was on that week, whatever. But like, all right. But I can wait till next week. Right.

Or like, let's say that 90 day rule was a real thing. And they're like, all right, we don't want to wait till next week. Why didn't they do it the goddamn week before? Like, you're telling me they can't check that? This dude represented Sarah Kellan. He represented the pilots who flew these people around the world. didn't they do it the goddamn week before like you're telling me they can't check that this dude represented sarah kellen he represented the pilots who flew these people around the world you know they talked you know that's known you know everything about your judges all right so when i used to go in and know i was uh you know going before the grand jury and should we indict that

day it was going to be judge so-and-so magistraterate so-and-so, I would be either, don't worry about it. I'm good with what I know right now. We'll answer questions later if there need be. Or, man, I better be ready because there's a chance that this guy will question me significantly about a great affidavit. So it's all in, it's definitely you know you know you're i guess your client well it's not really client you know you know the person that's making the decision on your case and it's very easy for me to say to the federal prosecutor hey man go with reinhardt because i just get along it's as simple as that i get along better with him he's not an asshole and no one does a background check.

No, they know. No, they know. They know and they still do it. Yeah, but those are the guys that are in the rotation. That's why I'm saying they're trying to drive people right in this fucking guy's arms because they make it look bad. Yeah. They make it look as bad as possible. I mean, if you listen, I listened this morning to left-wing media and right-wing media. I think I listened to Pod Save the World, which is like Ben Rhodes' podcast.

And then I listened to, what's his name, the Tim Pool guy. Okay. And of course they're saying opposite shit. But I'm listening to, in this case, who's on the defensive, the right side. The left says kind of exactly what I expect them to say. And then the right side does too, in this case, incredulously. And they're, I think that's the right word they're essentially like they're pointing out that this guy is is ty deppstein oh here's another one and i can't sit here and be like no that's that's not fair it doesn't really matter i mean like it just seems like even if people now know that like

that was the guy who was on that week still the fact that the idea that the government doesn't know this stuff and then you know could easily avoid that and doesn't is not reassuring for people who look at this and go you know there there are there are forces at play that are that are pulling the strings and making decisions it's a shit show bro it's a circus this was a circus that there was no need except to make a circus out of it. The actual mission, the actual solution had nothing to do with the circus. What do you mean? So the mission is to get the documents, to get the evidence,

if that's really the mission. It's not to have a shit show on an island in Florida with people driving in boats and having guns and running in and hundreds of cars. That's not to it's not to have a shit show on an island in florida with people driving in boats and having guns and running in and hundreds of cars that's not what it is so that's how you got to look at it simply why what is the cir who caused the circus and why and there's a couple different things we can think about you know and what are those things well i mean i think the one obviously is is the left, right, wanted to do this. The other one is, and I didn't even think about your point, but I'll address it. The other thing is the family to shut it down because they just didn't think it was healthy for him to be, and they can't control him.

So they didn't think it was healthy for him to be the president again or run for president again. Who knows why? I don't know if it's interest. I don't know if it's Kushner's again showing up, going to be in the target. I don't know. He doesn't want those deals getting looked at. Hell no. So my point is those two, but I didn't even think about your point, which is them themselves.

Let's run in and we can – they had that commercial ready pretty fucking quick. Yeah, they did. Three and a half minutes. They did. So who knows? Who knows? There's a bunch of different things. But bottom line, if the mission was purely to garner this evidence that was part of a crime, which I'm really hoping I don't think we'll ever be able to see the full warrant, it'll be redacted. But if it's just – I just want to know why.

Why would it be redacted? Well, I mean, they're definitely going to – they're not going to want you to know what sources provided what information or any of that shit. Oh, right, right, right. The affidavit. The affidavit. Not what they left Trump. Not what they took. Not what they left Trump.

Correct. Correct. Got it. But my thought is if that was the mission and the crimes that are in play are one, two, and three, and this evidence was supposed to be able to prove each prong of those particular crimes right then why did it have to be a shit show like it was why couldn't it just be hey let's get this information i'm sure the negotiations that are going on with these three and four thousand dollar an hour attorneys you know it wouldn't have been hard to get what you needed unless you wanted to put a circus on and that's what they did they threw a circus and everybody showed up and now i mean they were looking through melania's panties and

everything too like all the stuff you say about a proper search and all that and doing it all by the book i'll believe you that a lot of it was done in that way for like on your watch but there's fun to be had it's levity man so you're gonna be like hey look at the dildo i found in melania's who knows but that's who knows you know i mean that that that happens the stakes on this are so high yep there will be a lot of outs 100 attorneys are working on this 100 100 so listen we used to go in we used to go in i did this i did this one warrant years and years and years ago and it was an organized crime family hey hey you know we went up we searched the house

and there was a little detached apartment that the mobster's son lived in probably in the mid-20s his kid was in the mid-20s mid-20s and in it we go into search we had the information right so there was a couple of really good-looking daughters and of course guys were going in trying to find dildos and pictures and they did they weren't disappointed problem was the son the son had bigger dildos than the fucking daughters that was the problem and he had i'll never forget he had a hash pipe that was in the shape of a dick so he was smoking his hat his pot through that thing and you know that's just levity for us, right? So you want to know?

You know what flipped the mobster? That. We went back in and said, hey, we're going to do a little write-up on this with regards to your son's sexual... This is wrong as shit, but hey, you use whatever you can. And he goes, listen, I'll give you whatever you want. Just don't let anybody know. They'll kill me. Holy shit.

Yep. Yep. So that was it. Was that a big-name guy? Yeah, big-name guy. Big-name guy. Yeah. Big-name guy.

So at the end of the day, that's kind of what we're looking. You know, we'll exploit what we can because it's legal to exploit that stuff. But this one's going to be watched like a son of a bitch so why would i why would i put my guys out there for a circus right unless i was basically in bed i hate to say that but why would i put my guys well i mean that's what that's how the left is look you know basically the left i'm looking at the left is just that you know whatever it takes to get this guy to not run for president that's what this is and by the family whatever it takes to get this guy not to run for office one place where the left in the party where the left has an argument here yeah it's a little different where the left has an argument at least on like the semantics forget

how whatever the facts on on these situations are and you would actually know some of them for whatever but like they look at the hillary clinton thing and they look at trump yelling locker up and everything and then they look at comey coming in and causing the whole problem and they're like all right well tit for tat i hey i'm not saying it's equal but i get that what will you know look at look at what's been done to try to remove him from having an opportunity to be to run again the impeachment right that that whole disaster across the board for the country you know for the country in general you know then the january 6th hearings and that whole sideshow you know even i mean even when as far as if you watch the hb i don't know if

you've watched the hbo special on that day it's like an hour and a half and it's it's disturbing in light of how they actually edited that thing to make it look like every Capitol policeman and every other person was in fear for their life. Now, there was some shit that happened. Don't get me wrong. And it was scary. And I would have been scared, too, being there. But at the same time, you can manufacture it. We've talked about this before.

The press can do whatever they want to manufacture things to make it look any way they want it to look and we see that every day i don't on the news right i don't disagree with you at all on that but they tried and tried on this guy and nothing happened right so this is this is step this is step three this is the third or fourth or fifth look at this seventh eighth right right exactly so you know i just don't know it crosses my mind that if i had a narcissistic father that in fact wouldn't listen to anything i had to say and it was in the best interest of my family and maybe even the country to have him have to step down and not run who knows i don't know i don't know what that would look like you can't there's no fucking way to describe what's inside that place unless you've made a good point and i would this would never happen a million years

secret service guys hold shit they go to grave with shit that happened just look at the clinton white house you know what i mean so bottom line or any other white house the kennedy white house right so i mean can you look like a good time yeah oh my god swimming laps yeah okay um but but no wonder his back hurt so much um but at the end of the day you know if you think about those things you can almost in your head rationalize this from several different approaches. Not almost, you can. You can make an argument for several different approaches, what you believe, what you don't believe, and then kind of orchestrate it to your point of view. That's life. Absolutely. That's the way it goes, right? Absolutely. But the process is the process, and they had an opportunity for a much less circus-like process, and they chose not to do it.

Someone chose not to do that. Well, the other – In an election cycle. In an election cycle. Period. In the middle of this is the burning question around the criminality that's at play here or questionably at play. Period. the way it sounds to me or the way some of the reports have been making it sound and this is from everywhere from the New York Times to Fox News I've read everything and

just the vibe I get which could mean nothing is that this what they're not really going for a crime they wanted the search warrant so they could get anything that was left just in case and then it's back and then they know he it would never go

to court because he'd be able to argue all the semantics and whatever but now and i'm saying this is the this is the way they're going at it in air quotes right but now at least okay he has no documents we know it we're good let's move on but what happens in the middle is the headline and the headline is fbi rates trump and there's no way they didn't know that was going to be the thing correct so like we may not even be talking about something that's like criminal here but they still did a raid have you ever seen fbi raids happen where it's it is more to and i'm going to pull up a quote while you're talking because there's an exact quote that explains this better and i just did but like that was pertained to crossing the t's and dotting the i's to make sure something was done as opposed to actively trying to actually make a case that's

going to go to court and put one put someone in jail um so no you know on on the leverage side of the house on the leverage side of the house yeah yeah the leverage side of the house, yeah. Yeah, I mean, so I think we talked about that a little bit before. So in order to garner your cooperation, I may prepare a search warrant based on factual information that I know of things that are in your house. All based on source information, all based on cooperators and interviews and things we've done along the way. So, yeah, I may, in fact, prepare a search warrant that I never execute. That would be probably as close to that situation as I can possibly imagine from my experience. And we did that several, several times.

You know, like I said, hey, listen, if you don't cooperate, because know you can, and we know, and we would give them very specific details on what we wanted them to do with what people listen. I know you're, I know you can talk to John right now on the phone. And I know that this is the things that you did with him along the way. And here's how we know. And we play them tapes of themselves talking to John about it, you know, okay. Now from another, from another source, you know, and at that point, listen, if you don't cooperate and you don't sign a cooperation agreement to help us with this and help yourself, we're going to execute this search warrant. And then there's no opportunity for you to do this.

We're going to either execute it quietly in the hopes that halfway through it, you'll say, oh, shit, they found X. I thought I could get away with it. You know, and the most powerful tool is having the irs there too and that's the other thing i thought about with this particular incident you know were they on site i'm sure i don't know that for a fact but there's not many federal search warrants on public officials and their homes that the irs are not there and they just added like 87 000 new agents the other day they're they're not they're not helping themselves here they're not helping themselves you know so so it's kind of be a harsh midterm for the left.

I'm back to thinking that again. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it went back and forth, but it's going to be— Right's been trying to blow it, but then the left tries to blow it harder. Correct. It's nuts. So it's kind of like this is a last-ditch attempt to kind of get it at least on a level playing field

so that at least there's an opportunity to maybe stay rock steady. So that's the kinds of things that go through my head because I... And also, the other side of this is there's two there's two dynamics that enter into this right so the to prepare a search warrant is hard it's a lot it's a lot of work what goes into that i mean it is just you know it's just all of all of your investigative steps along the way and this isn't this is something that's probably been going on for quite some time obviously how okay Okay, there's a question. How long do you, in your experience, for something that we can broadly see, at least the scope of what this was, all the agents, the different offices, two different offices, the DOJ directly involved, like actively, stuff like that.

How long would it take from decision point of let's get a search warrant together to executing the search warrant would something like this normally i think it could take anywhere from four to six months holy shit yeah just because you've got so much to to verify and corroborate along the way you're trying to keep it tight until the last minute because obviously the more people who know about it the more chance there are them talking to somebody that they didn't know that they shouldn't talk to, but they're thinking they're helping. And so you keep it very tight on the need to know until the day of the execution. What are all the steps to it? Well, I mean, you start to draft based on what the criminal statute violations are. So if it's, you know, for instance, in a, you know, in a public corruption

type case, there might be, what is it called? Fraud of honest services charge, which is a mail fraud statute. So basically saying the public's entitled to this service, an honest service from a sitting politician, but they were violated because he did something he or she did something they weren't supposed to do. So then you take that and give all the examples of how that was violated based on the information you've already garnered and what you think could be in the home or in the office or wherever in a room. We've done search warrants on rooms, on desks, on one desk, on a filing cabinet.

And you also need separate search warrants for any computers too. There needs to be a separate search warrant, separate piece of paper that indicates why that digital form of evidence is going to be present and why it would be helpful for you to have that information. So there's all kinds of descriptions and paperwork, and then you need that. That's where you were talking about the sourcing to be able to get all of it the freshness and the um you know and and it needs to lay out like a story for that judge so you're a case maker let's say you're even i'll give you a high rank like you were towards the end of your career like special agent in charge how many hands does that have to go through between you and in this case Merrick Garland before so it needs to reach the top level of the United States Attorney's Office in my district so

for instance that would be um me discussing it with as an agent as a case agent me and my partner discussing that with our immediate supervisor who would would be basically like a platoon leader, like a frontline supervisor, who would then take it to his boss, who is an assistant special agent in charge of the office, who would review it and come back with – and all these are coming back with questions and, hey, you need to do, you need to do, you need to do you need to do you need to do in the meantime while that's happening contemporaneously the united states attorney's office who is handling the legal side and the assistant united states attorney and the agent the case agent they're working together so they're going up the same chain it doesn't go like all the way up the fbi and then all the way back down to the lowest level it's just just the United States Attorney's Office, right? So as they reach the level of probably what we call, in the U.S. Attorney's Office, it's like the chief of special prosecutions who handles all of the public corruption cases.

As it reaches that level and as it reaches the special agent in charge level, they come together, right? And they present that to their bosses in DOJ who might be section chief DOJ of public – either public corruption or – what did I say before? Anyway, whatever the level is that – I guess the U.S. – not the U.S. attorney, not the U.S. attorney, but the attorney general has signified, here's the chain of command. Here's how I want it to go.

And ultimately it gets to that level of the AG who I'm sure, now I don't know this for a fact, but I'm sure in this kind of case, he's going to have to discuss that in the White House. He's going to have to brief that. I would think. I would think in some form or fashion,

whether it be the chief of staff or whether it be someone that's got to be on on the no i would think i don't know that that's the case but i think it would have to be aren't they supposed to be separated politically i mean they're supposed to be but you know that's going to have implications across national security when you're searching a former united states president's home. It's never happened before. So I don't really know what that would happen, but I would think public integrity was what I was trying to think about where it would go up through the AG's office.

So that's the, and those things don't happen overnight. That's not like a, hey, next hour, we're going to brief this guy. And next hour, these are weeks at a time, sometimes months at a time. And you're getting, remember, you're constantly getting task lists back. Hey, I like what you did in paragraph 94, but in 93, you said the same thing and it really doesn't apply to this statute. That's the kind of shit you're going through to get a search warrant. In the meantime, I could go with a subpoena forthwith and go to the attorney's office. I don't need any more than permission from the attorney general directly to say, yeah, I don't mind if you get that guy's trust account.

Go. So I can walk in and say, give me that shit. And they've got to produce it within 12 hours. And I sit there until it's produced. Even at the highest level? Even at the highest level. That's another thing like you know we talk about this with the presidency the idea that one man or one woman

does this job it's like all the shit you got it's not even possible but it's a similar question with like the ag with all the stuff that's going on how many goddamn cases and forms and see i mean it's all serious they get to it like if it gets to his desk like it's serious as all hell like how how much now this one with trump i i know obviously he's paying close attention because this is like the granddaddy type of them all it's a it's a former president but with important cases that aren't trump like how much can they even really review what's going on well They're one human being. They're relying heavily on their districts, right?

So each, you know, Southern District, Eastern District, whatever. They're relying on those U.S. attorneys who are relying on their chiefs of each of their divisions. Chief of Frauds, you know, Chief of This, Chief of Violent Crimes, whatever it is. They're relying on that information to pass along for really a very superficial review. You know, because they know that the district has done their homework. They know that this case is coming, you know, lid tight, signed, sealed, delivered, and ready to indict or ready to execute, whatever it might be but on the level of a president a former sitting president i can't imagine that someone in you know doj or someone in um you know the ag's office is going to say yeah you know what yeah let me just let me just click my initials on this and yeah sure so but

so i think that's the difference is when there's much of the work has already been completed and as tight as you can possibly get so you can take and you know i'm sure he knows like everybody else i'm sure he knows the districts to go to just like the fbi director knows what divisions he's going to provide certain cases on you know if he's got a national case i'm sure he's going to pick and choose that's you pick and choose offices to help on that. Yeah. And one office is going to be centered, but then they're going to send in those specialists from around,

i.e. the Hillary Clinton investigation. What do you mean by that? They're going to pull the best and brightest public corruption people to come in and take a look at that. So they're not just going to say, well, it happened in D.C. or it happened in New York where she was living at the time. Hey let's just have the new york office run with it no they're going to pick and choose who they need to pick and choose in order to make sure they're getting the best effort and the in the greatest you know sense of of experience you say with this though for it could have been as long as four to six months which doesn't maybe longer man but okay

either way you know they were like we said they were in there on full permission as late as May, right? Two and a half months ago. And along the way, I mean, I don't know what the order of business is, but I got to think certain cases jump the file, meaning that know they get press they they get preference so for a lot of reasons yeah so you're still thinking it could have taken four to six months i would think that anything that anyone in that chain of command that you laid out which thank you for doing that that was great but anyone in that chain of command when they get one email that says trump everything else is off the table and i don't care if they're on vacation they're coming home and they're handling this yeah no i believe i think it's expedited for sure in his behalf but i'm

talking like the process in in and of itself generally speaking can take forever and the fact that matter is who knows during that time that these people were allowed these agents were allowed access in may you know who knows what they saw that kind of led them to believe, hey, we've got to continue on with the search warrant process because we don't believe we're getting the correct response. And responsiveness is a big issue. It's a huge issue. Does this actually make sense with regards to what we're asking for? You know, I would always check search warrants after we did.

I would be like, all right, what were we hoping this warrant would provide? And what did we get that actually speaks to that particular hope based on the evidence that we had? And then what's totally off the charts, like has nothing to do with anything we asked for and then what's kind of on you know could go either way well actually i meant to ask this earlier but we got into something else but with mobster sons dildos yeah that wasn't on the list for things to check so how did you use that against here's the thing we were we were looking for cash. Right, but you found that.

So I'm going under beds and those kinds of things. That had nothing to do with, that was a discussion, and the discussion looks something like this. Hey, sir, can you come here for a minute? Hey, do you know why he's got this stuff? Why he's got this stuff and this stuff in these magazines, and then you just see the guy turns white, right? Even though you're not going to be able to report that.

Well, I mean, we're just talking to him. We're asking, hey, we need some help. We need your cooperation for a minute. What is this? But when you use that as leverage against him, couldn't he have argued you can't put that in the report because it wasn't covered? Yeah, of course. But he just didn't know to do that. Or, no, I mean, he could say, hey, it can't go to court, but it could certainly go in my report.

I found something that appeared to be a large dildo under the 25-year-old son's mattress. And that could show up in the New York Times. Hypothetically. Hypothetically. Okay. But, you know, he doesn't want to even take a chance that i write that report and i'm testifying around it's it's leveraged we're allowed to do that stuff okay you know it doesn't say it doesn't say in the search warrant all cash but no dildos under the you know son 25 year old son's mattress got it you find you find things and you have to search

through now if that was something where we were like hey there's dildos we had heard there's potentially dildos that have cocaine inside them that's the way they're shipping cocaine well then that's a different story right so then then we're taking those you know and we're talking hey this is the cocaine filled d you know so yeah walk it out like exactly exactly larry's got it exactly exactly so so i mean i think that's you know that's just it. Exactly. So, I mean, I think that's a different way of doing business, but my head is spinning all over the place with regards to where this could have...

What is the... I would love to be able to say, what's the endgame on this, boys and girls? What's the endgame? What are we trying to accomplish by doing this? And I think you're absolutely right. The home run is the headline from all sides if it's the family they're like okay shit maybe this will slow them down if it's the republican party that's doing it hey okay maybe this will slow them down

if it's the left okay maybe this will slow them down and he's saying this is great because i love fights i love fights i love to, I've made a commercial. I love a good fight. How could you be this dumb at this point? This guy doesn't give a fuck. He doesn't. And you just allow it to happen. Just whatever he's doing, allow it to happen. Allow him to get out there.

He's got the ability to be able to run for president. It's his right to run for president. Basically, debate him. Debate him on issues. But would you want Joe Biden debating anybody? No. And that's what they're thinking. And certainly don't want Kamala either debating anybody.

I mean, they're not going to understand what the issues actually are to be able to debate him. And he's a bully. He's a bully. He's a bully. He's a typical narcissist. Yes. That's what he is. You know, his world, you know, you either adjust to his world or you don't.

And he really doesn't care either way. It's his world and he's in charge of it. He's the first person in the history of politics who can win a debate without saying a goddamn thing. Without saying a word. Or saying things that are just completely wrong. Off the charts. Because he's in it. He's got the entertainer factor. without saying a goddamn thing or saying things that are just completely off the charts because he's in it he's got the entertainer factor i mean you can't not you still can't not laugh at it no you know it's not like some of his social stuff and things i see these days i really actually

can't laugh at because it's gone so far but like when that dude gets on a stage lights camera action there's no one better than donnie he's trump he's on it's unreal i mean think about that there's like a 12 or 13 minute clip where i think it's him him and pence and it's pelosi and schumer and the press is there and he starts he starts like just like we're building the wall like that's it and they are getting so front and pence is just sitting there like like like a deer in the headlights and he just kept it up nancy nancy you know and it just it's like how can you not laugh at and i'm looking and saying like the chinese have to be looking at that and saying thank god you know this is great this is the greatest thing that ever happened you know i'm saying like that's this that's love this. That's the scary part of what's going on right now is they love the fact that we're at each other's throats, regardless of whether or not we're this or that or we align with this or align with that.

Bottom line is we're trying to – well, I don't even know. I don't even know. What are we trying to do? We're fighting for these midterms through dirtying up a guy who's not even in office anymore, who has claimed that he's going to run. Well, now it's clear he's going to run. Yeah. It's clear he's going to run now. But you make a great point.

You know, I mean, it's empowered the guy again. They might have had him on his heels. Now he's empowered. And they got to know it. They have, like, they're not. Somebody's got to know it. They're not. Listen, I know people are blinded by their political ambitions

and beliefs i fully understand that including the politicians although cynically i think a lot of them they're just playing the game they know exactly what they're doing but even if that is the case these people like you don't you're not mitch mcconnell you're not nancy pelosi lasting in there for 80 fucking years unless you are a smart smooth political absolutely and so these people they know how this is gonna play they know how this like they can simulate this ahead of time these days especially and it's like you are you are same thing i said before you're using the same playbook and you are now making him a victim. You are taking a guy who puts out things like the Mother's Day tweet or whatever, not tweet, truth.

I love that, the fucking truth. Truth. Whatever. He puts that thing, like, if you just let this dude be on his own, he's done. He's cooked. It's over. But you keep on empowering him and he raises money off of it. It only makes him more brazen.

It only makes him more brazen it only makes him more brazen i mean it it absolutely does and you know i don't we said we were talking earlier i don't hate the guy i mean i don't like this whole um shit that happened with live golf and you know having hosting the saudis at his club i mean you know my my wife lost her husband in the towers to the saudis and that's the other thing if there's any good lawyers out there, please start suing the shit out of the Saudis. These kids deserve more. The firms that are working on it are terrible. All right. Public service announcement. Sorry.

Look, Trump had some decent – in the Middle East, he had some decent foreign policy. There's no doubt. Like, he was excellent against ISIS. That was a bright spot. Secretary of State, man. What did he have in there? But he literally got on his knees and gave MBS fellatio during all four years because MBS was good for Israel.

So it is an awful look to have him in there. I know. It's terrible. It's terrible. Hey, by the way, I want to just say someday my grandson Sal will watch this because this will be memorialized forever. So Poppy loves you. I'll leave it at that. Oh, that's nice watch this because this will be memorialized forever. So, Poppy loves you. I'll leave it at that.

Oh, that's nice. Yeah. Because you never get a chance. I wish I had something like that from my grandfather. You haven't done that. That's cool. See, that's a nice thing. You put a little time capsule in there.

My man, Sal. He could see how smart a dumbass you are. West Point class of 2043. Oh, you already decided that for him? Yeah, he's going. He's going? Yeah, playing golf. What if he comes to you and says he's going the other way?

Going to an evil academy? Yeah yeah would you disown him just for a cup just for the four years but then i'll be back okay no of course he anywhere he wants to go whatever good as long as it's west point i want to make sure as long as it's west point but what about like there's very reasonable and i would argue great questions coming from the right side around hunter biden now the how about that shit now yeah how about that shit that's terrible what the question the question they reasonably have is why hasn't his ship been raided and that's a great question that is a great question i don't i have no idea why some agent wouldn't jump on that and want to push it. It's right.

It's the right thing to do. So I don't mean like the party, but it is kind of the right thing to do. But, you know, I mean, that guy's, that is a, just a wealth of information that is all corroborated by the fact that he left his laptops at a Delaware repair shop and never picked the stuff back up. And, you know, the pictures he sent, the texts he sent, everything else. I don't understand. And there's been times where the House has actually called for evidence and the Bureau can't find the evidence.

What do you mean? Maybe I'm missing something, but I'm thinking like there was a time called for evidence and the Bureau can't find the evidence. What do you mean? I, I, I'm maybe I'm missing something, but I'm thinking like there was a time when the, when, um, there was like a Senator or a Congressman. I can't remember who it was, but he basically had like a hearing and he's like,

I'm calling for this evidence. I'm calling for these laptops. I want to put them into, um, I want to put them into evidence, you know, uh, uh,

congressional evidence locker. And they couldn't find like there was no idea where it was even though he has the ability because obviously the author that that british author who wrote the book um what was it something laptop you know i can't remember the i don't know anything about that yeah there's some book that she wrote it um about by about yeah yeah yeah laptop from hell that's the name of the book laptop from hell and she has all the information that the bureau should have been able to to you know corroborate um i i don't know i i that is a that is a question i'll probably go to my grave with what the hell happened with that why has no one done anything about that? And the other obvious one is that, and I'm trying to pull up.

I don't know if I can find it. Because some of the things we're trying to pull up today are so specific. So if I can't get it, like, on it, I don't want to read it. Because you don't know what you're reading while you're on air. So some people will have to look at stuff while we're doing this. But, like, you know, it was mentioned earlier with respect to the judge and and some of trump's ties as well but like we haven't gotten any type of raid on people from the black book with epstein you know arguably the first guy tied was trump and it had nothing to do with this at least. But like it is a really awful, awful open thing going on right now where the rabbit is out of the hat.

People know this guy. If this was an intelligence operation, and I do not believe it was a United States intelligence operation. But that's my personal opinion. I do not believe that. I think it was somewhere else. But if it was an intelligence operation that clearly, while it was going on at some point, the U.S. had, they knew it was happening, right? If that was the case, I understand the need to protect secrets and keep things for the interest in national security and stuff like that but when it's this blatant and it's this many people involved and it's this many important

people involved and it's and it's even like apolitical it's it is across the spectrum you can find it how do you not throw the public some bone how do you put this woman in jail for 20 years in a in a single a prison basically she's got yoga classes she's got everything she didn't go to jail for life either i mean she's gonna be old when she gets out but like you know she's got access to all this stuff didn't have to unveil anything and the records got sealed by order of the judge at the end of the trial and the trial was carried out christmas fucking week right christmas into new year's week like how are you that blatant and how do we keep on shoving this under the rug as if it's nothing and meanwhile the president's getting raped the former president's getting raided for some documents man that's that's one that'll haunt me till i go to my grave i'm telling

you it's a couple of things you mentioned it's difficult to kind of figure out what the incentive like what is the end game there well he wasn't the only one right but i'm just saying what is the end game with regards to um covering that or or not pursuing more or not doing a better job in kind of nurturing her cooperation or not doing a better job in in terms of nurturing you know those people those those business partners of hunter biden um you know we're we're just we've dropped the ball. The Bureau is not weaponized, but it has dropped the ball. And so I think some of the leadership, it was always a place where you were going to get our thoughts, our ideas, our investigative plans, whether you wanted to get them or not. It feels like we stopped doing that. We stopped pursuing that.

You know, it's frustrating to work a case as, you know, the attorneys are worried about proving the case beyond a reasonable doubt and losing a trial and their law license. And all we're concerned with is bringing forth the best cases we can with the best evidence we have. When those two things kind of collide and there's some type of political aspect to it, whatever that might be, and some of the stuff we've talked about, some of the stuff will be questionable for a long time, that's where I feel frustrations kind of mount with the public, with retired informer, with good, solid patriots. And we kind of start thinking about all the potential opportunities to kind of do the right thing, to move things forward in the right way and why it's not happening.

That's what I mean by the endgame. Why is this stuff not happening? Why is no one? Interested in putting their foot on the pedal and moving this as far as we can. What is the reason behind that? You know and you made it you made a great point. I don't think this is a an intelligence operation, you know, domestic intelligence operation. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know what it can or what it might or might not be. If it is, it's certainly backfiring because people are looking at us, people meaning countries are looking at us and we're just not the same country that we have been in the past never perfect but but at least on top of things at least understanding what the issues were at least not being like i read that to you right i read that text that i got about this scenario right and it's

like we were on camera and pretty smart um pretty smart people that i feel very close to are saying this is 1861 or all over you know this is north against south we got it we got it i mean come on we got to chill with that man yeah out here yeah like and that's that's the thing that's what these places want when you look at russia and china and when i had andy greenberg here, he had an amazing line, and I'm going to use it because they're both bad. And I talk about Russia a lot, and I talk about China a lot. But he's like, let's call it what it is. Russia's a hurricane. It's bad.

China's climate change. I mean, that's an amazing line. That is a great line. And by the way, this is a guy who reported on all the Russian disinformation campaigns and everything, and he's saying that. And I really appreciate that because he's looking at the full scope of things, which is what I feel like we need to do. But one thing that those two places do have in common is – and I think the have pretty good evidence to back this up, is that they're not, there may be some interest in preferring this guy to that gal or that gal to this guy or whatever,

but all in all, their number one goal is to sow dissent. They want people as pissed off and apart as possible. And so I try to like look at these types of things and keep a level head and actually assume that people are average not great not bad average in most cases you have some bad people you have some great people let's say they mostly balance out yes and i look at the fact that these are all chains of commands and there's a lot of people involved a lot of opinions whispered down the lane and everything and i say to myself whether we're talking about this raid and the investigation there whether we're talking about things like epstein even or you know any of the litany of

issues we have where it seems to be stuff is politicized it could very well be true that there are forces who are just and i'm not even saying it's russia or china i'm saying figure out who it is no matter what it is people with agendas people with money places with agendas places with money it could very well be that the smallest little one sentence beliefs are injected organically into certain people that exist within these chains and then it just kind of spreads like a cancer and so it starts with a basic objective that they say well based on this let's look at this and then it spirals and it goes on and on and on all they got to do is is just you know stand at the top of the slippery slope and give a little nudge and guess what science will

take it the rest of the way and so while that may not be the way this actually is maybe there there are a lot of corrupt forces and stuff and i know there certainly are but it could be just these small micro influence campaigns going on that then lead us to get into these groupthink systems where, by the way, places like the FBI are forced to defend themselves and the people who aren't in the FBI who are citizens are forced to attack them. I mean, I know you don't like them and everything, and that's been well outlined on here, but the summer of Jim Comey in 2016 and the fall of Jim Comey in 2016 was the best example ever because the guy went from right wing pariah to right wing hero left wing hero to left wing pariah and regardless of your own issues with him and his many flaws

as a director and the decisions he made in bringing all that information out in a different way we've covered that certainly agree with you on pretty much all the issues there he did like he still got caught in the middle of that and that part i have some empathy for because i'm like well even if it was for a lot of the wrong reasons he wasn't necessary necessarily politicized at the time he he equally in different ways bothered both yeah you know he did no he definitely um he had the he had the ability to kind of be a chameleon you know to kind of show himself as was needed and um and that never sat well with me or most of the bureau but yeah i i don't i kind of i know exactly what you're saying and i and i do have kind of a piece of me that understands that, and it's possible.

The possibility of that happening, where you've just got little waves that become bigger swells that become tidal waves. And in the meantime, there's no true corruption, but it becomes corrupt as things move on and so um i love that line though um with regards to you know hurricane versus climate change i mean that that is i think that's about as accurate as you're going to get um with regards to what's going on in the meantime um i can't think of any other time in history where we've just been a laughingstock for those countries. And they're looking and they love what's going on. And this headline continues that wave. It makes that swell a little bit deeper and a little bit quicker and picks the wind up a little bit. So that's kind of the next hundred years.

We're certainly headed that way. But we can stop it. It can be stopped. Yeah, great question. I think about that all the time. And I've got some pretty radical ideas in my own mind. Share. Police state run by Jim DiIor diorio no but we definitely do need

a crime czar i i did see some i did see a report that was encouraging yesterday where there's a group of police chiefs that have gotten together and kind of formed this um alliance that is going to discuss common you know commonalities in their areas and crimes that are really raging in those areas. I think it's like the Chicago guy and somebody in Texas. So you get a different perspective. That's interesting. In the Northwest. So I kind of like the fact that they are kind of

seeing it and addressing certain things. I think this infighting and the fact that we've not been able to put a cap on the amount of time these idiots serve, i.e. Schumer and Pelosi and McConnell and every one of them, every one of them. body that doesn't benefit over the course of 40 plus years biden himself you know um over the course of 40 plus years to have these riches that you know makes them feel like they're invincible hunter biden you know i mean that's really what it comes down to i mean you can go across the board i mean look at jared kushner yeah dude's one of the biggest douchebags in the history of

the world you know didn't you lock up his father was that did, yeah, Charlie. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yep, yep. And that guy is still the same idiot that he'll always be. So it's kind of across lines. I mean, it's all over the place right now with regards to the destructive kind of delusion of us not being able to come together. That's really all it is. You know, it's delusional to think that we can't do better. We still have a powerful military. You know, we still have a lot of committed folks. It's not getting better, but it's not getting worse. I'm encouraged by that. You know, I'm looking at the educational system in this country is there's issues that need to be actually resolved, discussed, negotiated, and put in place. Are you talking about like primary school education? Yeah, I'm just talking about –

Or are you talking universities? Both. Okay. Both. I mean, universities is a business. That's the way it's always going to be. You know, okay, I'm, universities is a business. You know, that's the way it's always going to be. You know, okay, I'm going to the University of Delaware. Oh, yeah, you know what?

We were looking at you. You know, your grades are okay. Oh, wait, you can pay the full bill. Oh, you're in. Oh, my God, look at this. You know, so it's kind of that needs to, but is that ever going to change? I don't know. Well, you know how it can change.

People won't have to go anymore. Correct. change i don't know well you know how to change people won't have to go anymore correct that's well that to me is is something that can there there should be a thought in that direction you know there should be a thought in that direction i mean my kids say to me all the time why did i waste my time at college you know not for the fun of it but for like the expense of it you know and i'm a government servant so you know we had to take some loans and we had to do what we had to do to make things work. But we did. Different time, too.

Different time. Yeah, we did. And we got through it. But I understand their concerns. You know, they still have, they still each have a payment. You know, here it is. My daughter's graduated 10 years ago. My son, you know, seven years ago and we're working hard to move towards it.

But it's the truth. You know, it's the truth. It's the truth. So you're right. I think if it becomes less of a requirement, maybe that's for business and for doing things. And your generation is smart. The spirit, the entrepreneurial spirit is terrific. And I think that's going to help as we move forward. Kids are going to look more towards maybe going, instead of going to college, maybe going nonprofit route, you know, and then coming out of the nonprofit route and going into their own business and making things better through that. You know, this whole FOMO thing, man, like social media is just, that's a problem. It's causing a lot of issues.

That's the other thing I worry about. It's causing a lot of issues surfing it's one thing to use social media like i do you know to to do my to quickly link idiots that decide to put themselves up there it's great i you know please continue to use social media thank you you're good j3 is loving it um but you know the other the other part of this is it makes it causes some mental we've talked about this before you know mental health issues you know um wow, that dude's traveling the world. I'm not doing it. No, he's not, you know.

He's just a jerk-off, you know, that's putting stuff up. He's an unhappy guy because he's got to throw that up there so that people accept him. You know, there's just a lot of things that I think about that we can do better and that we've always done better as a country and now we're just fighting each other so when i look at my buddy's you know kind of text where he's like we're back to 1861 brother against brother you know fuck out of here you know i get it but but he's hearing that shit well he's well he's a little crazy but at the same time we're fighting each other you know we're fighting against each other for for for similar and common beliefs.

I always say this. I just want to see these people's feeds. I want to look at the right and look at the left. Give me your phone. Let me look at your feed for five minutes. I'll diagnose your problem real fast. Absolutely. Because it's insane.

No one's looking at opinions that are not only in the echo chamber, in the echo chamber. Right. And so they convince themselves of all these things and like i again i try to keep a balanced way of looking at this from above and like yeah when something looks bad it's bad and we're gonna call it this looks bad it does trump raid looks it's bad and you're the fuck but you're an independent you're an independent thinker you're able to take a look at things and make your own decision. Many folks, because the education system, the college system has failed them, only have an opinion as to what they read last. It doesn't matter.

Or what they read. Hey, or what they see. I only subscribe to this. I only subscribe to that. I only watch this. I only watch that. That's my opinion. That's right.

You know, it's not your opinion. It's somebody else's opinion that you're going ahead and jumping on ship, you know. Independently think a little bit. And that's, I think, the importance of looking at, you know, looking at things through your own lens, through your own background, through how you were raised, through the things you had to persevere through. And it starts to come to light a little bit better even this issue like what is i always try to look what is the motivation for all sides and in this case it's similar it's to shut him up all sides all sides say i don't want this idiot running and i truly believe there's some family interest in that. Yeah, that's a huge revelation. I truly believe that.

And so I think it's all this. We've got it. It's all the same piece. You know, it's all the same piece. There's nobody good. There's nobody bad. But everybody's down the middle. National security-wise, we're getting ourselves in trouble right now.

How so? I just think we are. I mean, look around. Look around what's going on. We don't have the platform or the stage that we used to have. right now as we speak i just think we are i mean look around look around what's going on you know we're not we don't have the we don't have the platform or the or the stage that we used to have and this poor guy's sick he's sick there's no other way to look at it he's a sick man he's a sick old i mean the best was i hate to laugh at this it's not funny because it's really not funny

i mean trying to put his own sport coat on. Like we were talking about yesterday, right? Man, back in the day, at least there was no tweets and you could put your own sport coat on. That's the level of the presidency. That's what we want. We won't want any tweeting and be able to put your own sport coat on. Done. You're elected. Nominated.

Well, that's in the... And it is important because it's in the Oval and then that's on the global stage. I understand that. I will say, speaking to some people recently with Access, just leave it at that. about our defensive and offensive capabilities relative to everybody in the world than I did. Because even if there's an idiot in office, as we've had for the last, I guess now six, seven years, whatever it is, that doesn't help. It's a problem. It can cause a lot of issues. That military and the things that exist within it and around it around the world exist yep and so

yeah like that doesn't mean it's going to be like that forever but right now based on some certain other places in comparison that i've talked with these guys about we look good we're there yeah yeah we're there and we got to maintain that yeah, so much so that we formed a cyber branch in the military. We've never been able to do that. Wait, that wasn't a thing? No, not until the last 10 years. I guess because they technically were outsourcing that to the other bureaucracies. Yeah, but it's – yes, definitely.

But this is a more structured, a more pointed program. Okay. We've never had that before. At this level. At this level. We've had people, but we haven't had branches, if that makes sense. Well. So I'm happy.

I'm thrilled with that and seeing what's going on and how it's going on and being in a world where I do get some access to that, even though I'm kind of men in blacked out, but I do get some access to that. So I feel like you do about that. I think we're in great shape on that front. I just truly think that I encourage people to take some time to think about the motivation. Think about what's in it for the people who are doing what they're doing you know obviously the press is always going to love this stuff so but there's that's never changed there's never been a day when i when a when a press writer or when a you know a network has said you know what i really don't want any big deals today you know i'm saying

trump's a moneymaker he's a moneymaker all day a moneymaker. And the more he calls them fake news, the better it is for them. It is a mutually beneficial relationship. It's perfect. It's a perfect dynamic. But, you know, how does – where are the other motivations coming from? What are the only possibilities to create that headline? Look at that independently. Think about it. And I challenge you to come up with your own conclusions or maybe even provide us through the notes with some other ideas, some other options. Maybe it wasn't X, Y, or Z. Maybe it was P and Q. I don't know. I don't know.

Help us to understand so that we can take a look at that motivation and kind of figure it out. But I will tell you that the weaponization of the FBI is not the story. It's not. There's one political appointee. He's a guy that has limited charisma and limited ability to give anybody a sense of safety or security. There's no like, hey, we're going to, we're going to sick you on this guy or that guy or this person or that person. Really not that, you know, what I will say in the Bureau and I'll share this, you know, there's times you get an exciting opportunity to work on a case like this. There might be, you know, there might be a little over, overzealous,

zealousness towards doing things. that's natural i mean oh my god i got chosen to be on the trump yeah humans aren't perfect yeah i got chosen to be on this or that but at the end of it when it gets to the to the level of a guy like me or a guy like above we're going to look at it you know extremely objectively we're going to remove all that subjectivity i mean listen i'm encouraging hey that was great job really good man great thinking great creativity i like what you did i like how you did it but i'm also going to say wait a minute we can just serve a subpoena and get the same information what the fuck are we doing i'm going to be the guy jumping up and down screaming i don't think we have much of that anymore i think it's there i think i think they i think they tend to kind of shy away from those

people so you're you may have just answered this, but let me make sure it's out there so that you can address it directly, if not. Yeah. But you're saying at the beginning of that answer right there, you're saying that there are still, and you've repeated this over and over as well, there's still so many great people at the FBI. It's not like the place is bastardized. This whole defund the FBI thing. Yeah, that's great. That's hilarious. But like that said that said don't take my pension clause all right so you're biased because of your pension i see yeah yeah i'm definitely i'm i'm actually heading down

to to florida southern florida right now to oh to go and serve a couple more warrants oh gotcha okay all right well i won't ask about those ones but like even though you're saying that you are still also now saying that there are fewer people in those positions have been there done that at the fbi who are being objective about stuff yes so are you like you don't need to give me a percentage well now it's fewer right okay not not a lot all right so that's part of it but like when you look at well let's just go there when we've been beating off this the whole time like when you look at the fbi they're the highest level of police in the land they're in their

own separate distinction we need them what the same people who were saying you know blue lives matter two years ago are now tweeting defund the fbi and and vice versa right the people who were saying defund the police are now saying yay to the fb you know it's all political yes oh but when we look at this there seems to be a clear change in the fbi that's occurred was probably occurring towards the end of your time there and now seems to have taken hold where there are more issues than there were before yes so in speaking over the past few days with your friends by the way not just in the fbi in other places other agencies who have opinions on this matter what has been have you heard anyone talk about solutions to it or identify the clear problems beyond what you've said and how do we like how would we fix the fbi in the

court of public opinion over say the next three to five years well i think you're seeing this that's great and i love that yeah and i've had a lot of differing conversations but it all is coming back to kind of the same piece and so in in saying that it's an awesome thought like how do we get this better how do we get back not only public opinion wise but also to doing the job the way it was designed to be done so my thought and i think i said this i've said this to you is to have an inspector general that sits with the bureau and and if you as you see both sides of the aisle are calling you know at doj after these midterms for doj to have um you know kind of a monitor a federal monitor with them don't we all watch it we don't we don't have that we don't have that well what's the inspector

general that we have oig basically oig is basically OIG is attached. So think about it this way. There's OIG units that are part and parcel to every other organization. So for instance, HHS has its investigative side and it has the office of the inspector general within the same organization who cleans up the messes, who makes sure the messes don't happen, who is really focused only on that. The FBI's version of OIG is that DOJ OIG. But really, all they're doing is being a reactive portion of that particular agency. So in other words, let's take an example. So there's a belief that an FBI agent leaked some information, right, on a case, let's just say. I'm talking from experience because we've had these kinds of things. Leaked information.

At the end of it, it turned out to be that is exactly what didn't happen. However, there's an obligation on the DOJ's OIG to open up an investigation on that and to be looking at the agent or agents or office and determine whether or not it makes sense. But that is a reactive piece. So if that were, in fact, occurring, we're missing out on the opportunity to kind of be on the front end of that. So we're not solving any problems. We're actually coming in after the fact, which could have consequences that have happened. My point is, I think the Bureau, one of the most important positions any administration, and this will be my opinion if I do have the opportunity to have some say on this down

the line, is to have an inspector general that sits in the Bureau, that's part of the Bureau. Not part of the Bureau coming up, but somebody that's appointed, not in the same world as the director, but as an IG. And that person's job is to go through systems and to make sure systems and operations are the way they used to be or should be. And the challenge would be to kind of centralize that. And they tried to do it a few years ago with another investigative OIG.

So, hey, when you open up a certain type of investigation, you must do step one, two, three. That doesn't work. It's a matter of going out and getting to know what each field office is doing, why it's either really good or really bad or somewhere in the middle, and then determining how to make that better and to make sure that things like this don't happen while it's going on while it's going on and i might be adding to you here so this is not the case shut this down but end hypothetically have some oversight into ongoing investigations and what decisions are made, i.e.

One million percent. Right, okay. One million percent. So that IG would have a staff. That's really interesting. And that staff would be chosen from different communities within the FBI. Who appoints them? Well, I think that would have to be like a board decision not the

ig himself or herself i mean you would definitely want a couple people that would be the igs kind of right hand people that are chosen but then you'd have staffs of people that would kind of branch out to first do the evaluation of what is fucked up and then make a recommendation just like what i do for a living now make an assessment of what's going wrong come up with recommendations prioritize those recommendations and execute why not have like a committee in congress of republicans and democrats i think that's something like that that's what they're going to do and i think that person would answer directly to that committee with meaning they place it too like they have to agree on somebody a hundred percent so I mean I'm

not talking confirmation I don't think there needs to be a confirmation I think it should be something that the director brings to this committee and then the committee interviews and determines hey this is the right person to do this oh so the director brings the idea of who he or she wants to maybe bring 15 or 20 people along the way, and then the committee gets to bring their folks in and put it in place. And try it for half of the new director's appointed term. So for five years, you would get a contract to do that and see where you go.

And I'm telling you, it would bring things together. The communication's lacking. Everybody's competing. New York's competing with New Jersey. New Jersey is competing with Baltimore. You know, all these offices are competing. So how do we get on the right track to move cases forward, to evaluate what people are doing and to put systems in place that allow easy access to information that's going sideways. That's the way to do this. The director should be doing one thing, being the face of the FBI internationally and domestically. He should be traveling to his legats.

He should be interacting with other agencies. He should be interacting with other law enforcement across the world. He should be talking to Congress on a regular basis, not just when shit goes sideways, but talking about things that he's doing, talking about plans that he has, talking about his one and three and five and ten year goals for the FBI. The IG should be the one that's processing, that's going through and saying, wait a minute, when we do these search warrants, did we ever consider, how many times were subpoena with considered when we were going to do a search warrant? How many times did that happen? Then get those numbers. Then talk to the people about why you chose to do either way. What was the reason that you decided to serve this search warrant? What happened? If I go out right now, if they gave me access to the 100 agents that were on site there, I'd have the answer.

I'd have the answer, and I guarantee it'd be the same answer. Guaranteed. So why not have that in place? That would help to start the repair. Now, this isn't a one- or ten-year project. We have to turn this organization around or it's going to be gone.

They've been talking about getting rid of this organization forever. The FBI. FBI. Get rid of it. There's no need for it. How real has that talk been, though? Well, it's never come to fruition in any form or fashion, even to get to a point where they had a plan. It's the same thing like when somebody says to you, I'm going to kill myself.

And you say, what's your plan? They have a plan? You better get up off your ass. got a problem same thing hey we're gonna get rid of the fbi well what's your plan well we don't really have a plan okay or hey here's the plan in the first year you're gonna you got a problem and that's where i feel we're going towards and why don't we have some say in it we meaning and this ig needs to be a former FBI agent. He needs to be a person who understands the organization and who has no problem rocking the boat. So I'm applying. I am applying for the job.

Anybody out there? Director Free, are you there? So that to me is kind of one of the solutions that can go hand in hand with a crime czar who's understanding what the problems... Did you say what that is earlier? Yeah. Basically, the crime czar is going to be a person who understands

what the actual crime problems are nationally, regionally, and break it down to districts. Here's the problems we're having. Like Chicago, nobody should ever be worried about, in Chicago, should ever be worried about check kiting. Should be worried about murder. That's what they do there. They murder people. You know, and it sounds like profiling, but it's not.

It's just being smart. Understanding what problems are where. How we kind of, and that's what I like about this group of chiefs that I was just talking about, bringing together and discussing what our best practices are, deciding what a best practice is, and then executing on that. Again, it's a long process. It's not something that's going to turn overnight, but it's the solution. And all this training is another big portion of this thing,

the bureau training. What's the expectations when you come into the bureau? Well, the expectation is to be the knight in shining armor. It really is. That's how I went in. I want to be the knight in shining armor. I want to understand, okay, that's great, but this is how you should think about going about it. First thing you need to do is learn this job. Learn everything that you need to know about how to do it, what's important, how your report should look, how to interact with certain people on the U.S. attorney side, how to interact with supervisors on the bureau side. And then from there, you could start putting in paperwork to get promoted. But it's the Andy McCabe clause. We've talked about it before. When you get promoted too fast and you don's the andy mccabe clause we've talked about it before when you get promoted too fast you don't understand the job you got a problem

you have a problem i sent you that clip last night about sippowitz talking to his kid right oh yeah people places things and the things they do yeah people places things they do and the times they do them it's it's being a good agent understanding motivations why people are doing what they're doing right including the people internally you're saying including the people that turn internally and how you do it right and how you speak up for yourself and what the understanding is with regards to um a problem or a situation i'm an agent and i only have five years but i sit in the south florida office and i think there's something going on with this particular situation and i don't think it's right not just for what's happening but for the bureau and for the eyes where right now you know where they go

they go to some um there's some idiot it's some person in dc and i can't remember but you call the phone they never answer they never call back no but you put your report you put your report in right but it's somebody that's supposed to be in place it's somebody that's supposed to be in place to do this job that ain't happening that ain't happening so we need to continue and find a way to have that right person that right office and that's my that's my solution that's what i think we should do i mean we look at things like this though and it's like well why hasn't the fbi has been around for 80 fucking years 70 years whatever it is it's like well why haven't we put some of this in what's what's the hold up you know it's almost like you set up i guess like i was saying we do have the

main inspector general's office and everything but that's like you said all, I guess, like I was saying, we do have the main inspector general's office and everything, but that's like you said, all after the fact. So it's almost like you set these places up for failure and it's refreshing to hear that somebody at least has an idea of something that could improve. But is that even, is it realistic to think that anything like that would happen? Well, I mean, I think it's, I think it's, yeah, I get what you're saying. It's definitely realistic. I mean, I think it would take the right people, it would take the right thought process, and it would take someone getting. It's still that way, even though there's probably not an old boy in it anymore, but, um, it's still that way. I mean, you know, you've seen, you've read recently about sexual harassment, things that have happened, um, really disturbing shit, like really disturbing shit. And so, um, if that's still happening at the level that it's happening

at, then you have other issues that need to be addressed. And like I said, this isn't a short-term process. This is something that would last or span as long as a political appointment would last or span over the course of the next 15 or 20 years, maybe 24, maybe 28. But I'm hoping to be somebody that at least has the ability to have someone's ear and discuss it in detail, my plan, because I'm hoping to be somebody that at least has the ability to have someone's ear and discuss it in detail, my plan, because I do have a plan. I have a 1, 3, 4, I have a 1, 3, 5, and 10-year plan for it. Do you have faith in the FBI today? Yes, absolutely. In spite of all this? In spite of all this, I have faith in the FBI. Why? Because I know the people that are doing the job. I still know the people, the right people are doing the job i still know the people the right people

are doing the job but there's not they're not all there some of those people are gone and there's some people who aren't doing their job as well and they're ruining the name for everyone else well i think it comes down to leadership right so it comes down to the people that are there's some people that are not in the right spots and And the director's weak. Again, it's another... Why is he weak? He just is. He has no ability to kind of relate. Smart guy.

Really smart man. I'm sure he's a great attorney. I'm sure of it. I'm positive of it. But it takes more than that. It takes a hell of... And listen, I'm speaking. I don't know what his day-to-day is.

I don't know what his liaison kind of mission is. But it's – from all the signs and all the kind of speculation, I guess, on my part, I don't see him doing a heck of a lot about that. I don't think he's where he needs to be every day. Well, you've talked in the past about FBI agents who came up through the FBI and the importance of that and how we've gotten away from it. We totally have. We didn't have it with Comey. We don't have it with this guy, I don't believe. Or Mueller. Yeah, Mueller was like a prosecutor.

They're U.S. attorneys. Yeah. That's what they are, the U.S. attorneys, all these guys. See, that is a culture thing because then they don't understand you know they've worked with agents obviously like they have an idea but they don't understand the career they didn't go through it themselves you know it's it's the same argument we could have with other places too oh a lot of other places we've seen interesting people a lot of the head of other agencies and it's like if you're someone who works for them they come in it's like well we were here before you were.

That's right. And we'll be here when you fucking leave. And that's the truth. That's the truth. But, you know, I think as a guy who spends, you know, who spent pretty much since 17 years old, a guy who spent his life assessing and then kind of, you know, creating culture, whatever that might be, whether it be in the space, in the military space or in the offensive space or in the investigative space or in now the security space, assessing risk across the board, personal life, professional life, situational, and then making recommendations and prioritizing. It's something I do really well. And it's something that I truly believe, not just me, but there's guys in the FBI that still guys and girls in the FBI that still do

that. They still, they still assess risk and they make decisions based on the recommendations and their thoughts about culture. And how do we get this right? And how do we do it right? And how do we stay objective and apolitical, right? That's where I think that those are the folks that are missing now, and I'm trying to find them again. I have faith in the Bureau. I know there's people there, but I almost – sometimes I think we're steering where the leadership is steering away from those people.

Yeah, the key word that you keep putting out there is like a lot of the leadership. Yes. And not necessarily the people who've been there. And it's not appointed. It's not appointed. And I think the public's getting the message that this is appointed leadership it's not appointed leadership right it's from the from the ranks but it's also those people i talked about before that are just trying to get promoted and they're not really worried about learning the job and when i get

the ability to be able to introduce people who need the services of the Bureau, I know the people I go to. And I know the people I'll never go to. And so it's just like anything in life. It's more important to know what you don't want to do as opposed to what you want to do. Right. I mean, that's, you know, that's, I think that's more important as a risk assessor and as a security assessor my whole life. And as a crisis mitigator, I want to know, I want to know the things that can hurt me that where I don't want to go. I don't want to really focus in on, well, this is what I can do until I know the things that I can't do.

Well, we're so we, and fairly so based on what we're reading. We've been so focused on the FBI this whole time. But when cases get to a certain level and have certain stakes to them, my head as an outsider as just – I don't want to overstate it. but i'm a realist i recognize that with power comes a lot of players and players have different motivations and they're from different places but i see something like this and i go there's some intelligence involved here too yeah you say yeah right away so definitely how how would that work like when you say yes what what does your mind go to well Well, I mean, I think it's just a natural – it's a natural kind of jump for me because I understand the importance of having a bright intelligence posture and a dark intelligence posture. And 9-11 is the perfect example of that so if you take it forward at this point i think in order to make whatever decision was made and whatever the mo or whatever the end game was intel was involved in that with whoever decided to do this whoever was the architect for doing this yeah okay you know what i mean architect's an interesting word yep Yep. Let me get more specific. Yeah.

I look at things like this, and you're an interesting guy to talk to about this as well because you're a rarity. Usually, people at the agencies like CIA, NSA fucking hate everyone at the FBI and vice versa. Yeah. It's just what it is. background previous to being in the fbi your spy work things in army rangers and your network of people including a lot of friends who are at these different agencies you have a lot of cross-agency respect and have a lot of have maintained a lot of intelligence even after your career on guys who were there and things like that so you you can be more of a i guess like unbiased neutral view on this, which is good. But to what extent do CIA or NSA interests inject themselves in certain big cases? Is it as – not simple is not the word, but I'm going to use it just for the sake of the argument here. Is it as simple as they have some people on the ground and certain agencies aren't told that they're there or that they're not? They're just kind of whatever? Or is it as complex as they start the ball rolling with certain evidence behind the scenes and then the FBI fills in the blanks? Maybe that evidence, by the way, is stuff that's not gotten legally under the

Constitution, but the FBI then goes and gets their own evidence to support that. Interesting question. So I think it's a couple – for me, it's a couple-part answer. And I'll take it back to let's just go back in time and then to the current day. So I think everything relates – the worst intelligence failure we've all experienced at 9-11, no doubt about it. And it's gotten a hell of a lot better. And when I say a hell of a lot better, I mean in the communication, in the cooperation, in the ability to talk, and relationships have grown and become better. And that is, again, like we've talked about before, that's person to person.

It's not agency to agency. It's how I relate to a certain person or it's how I relate or don't relate to a certain person. And we understand it. We move forward. So the first piece of that is it's still all about relationships and being able to be trusted to be in the know um are so guided by fear that if i do this wrong according to the diag which is the operational guide and i don't allow x amount of time to go in between and i try to i try to develop or sign on a ci or a cw or an asset and I pay them X before this date and I don't get certain, I won't be, I'll be, that can fuck with you forever and a day, right? As long as what you're doing is right and not illegal and not immoral and not against

everything that you believe as a relationship person and against the other sides, and I don't mean the other side, but your brothers or your sister agencies, do it. Stop beating yourself up with just mental killing yourself with regards to, oh my God, I don't want to do it because there's too much to it, right? So on the intel front, it's that simple. It's relating and saying, what do you have? We are receiving information that indicates that in fact, there's going to be a weapons deal in such and such a country. And we're pretty sure it's credible, but what do you have that can help us out, that you feel comfortable sharing with relationship guy Jim

as opposed to sharing with Andy McCabe? And I'm telling you, it's better nowadays. And there's guys and girls in the Bureau that can do that well. So when you say how it starts, that's how it starts it's a conversation you know it's in a skiff and it's it's there are some parameters around how stand for again uh like secret compartmentalized interior facility or intelligence facility so there there are certain parameters that are set but that doesn't mean that they can't be kind of adjusted based on the case. So for instance, you know, listen, we have four liaisons that sit in Langley

every day from the Bureau or 10 liaisons from the agency that sit in the Bureau's New York office, right? So really you need to pass your information through those people. I get that part of it and that's what people focus on. So they're like, well, I really don't like Julian, and he's one of the only ones here at Langley from the Bureau, so fuck him. I'm not going to talk to him about it. I'll just run with it, and if something blows up, I'll be okay, right? No, it's, hey, Julian, hey, man, you know me, you know what I'm doing. I got something really particular in South America. I know that's not a place that you want to be. Do you mind if I talk

to, and here's the person, or here's the number. Here's the person, right? Here's the number. So that's what's missing. That's what I find is still missing. And no offense, don't take any offense to the fact that it's generational, but bottom line is, your generation, and my kids, and everybody else, has focused in on themselves, right? Looking at computers, doing the research, being smarter than we ever were, not having to really go outside and relate to an individual or another person, or ask for a favor, or admit that they can't do something, or admit that they don't have, they want to learn more, whatever it is. So that causes that internal, well, oh shit, that rule says i have to email um bill johnson in

order to get permission to talk to julian and he's not answering his fucking email so um i don't know well you know what fuck it it's not really worth it and the time passed and i really don't have an opportunity anymore they justify all that shit in their head right so i think i think we as an organization the agency as an organization has done better and you've seen it personally with the relationship that you've helped established amongst yeah with you with you and andy and and that's that's you are a little different though too like yeah but but it's okay to be different is what i'm saying and and i think even i've changed some minds within the bureau just by being out here doing this right and i and you know how tentative i was about doing this listen that's the funniest part right but like i that answer

was great because it explained the overt nature of the communication between the two so i wanted i was not going to stop you there because that was very important information i'm talking about some of the covert stuff that could well i was talking about that i was talking about over but i was also talking about covert where it could be you don't know that this dude is there you don't know that agent so and so is on site as a part of a raid or something which by the way and I'm not saying that's what happened. I'm saying in your head when you see crazy shit like this go down, you wonder. You put on the little tinfoil and you go, huh, well, we know the CIA didn't necessarily like Trump. Maybe, maybe, and then there could be somebody on the ground there.

Yeah, and I can't i can't argue against that fact i can't say either way that that doesn't happen hasn't happened won't happen or did happen um but i wouldn't be surprised if that kind of stuff is going on um you know i i have a unique sense you know kind, kind of like a gut, a true gut feeling where I get sick to my stomach. If something like that happens, it's, it saved me on numerous occasions in numerous situations. There's a lot of folks like that, that have that. So they sense it and they see it and they remove themselves from it, or they get aggressive

with regards to it. I would have no problem asking those questions before it even went down and you know you see a dude i mean it's not that difficult you see a guy that just shows up two months before sitting in your space i'm just gonna use the skiff just gonna use the skip bro i'm a guy i'm doing the new tech on your on your mesh you know whatever and i'm like yeah that's a fucking agency guy you know period and and you know within a week me the way i was and the way andy is and the way some other people that we know are we're gonna ask the question we're gonna snag you out and snag your ass out for

coffee in my car not in your car because i don't want to be recorded and i'm gonna say what the fuck are you doing here and why aren't you telling me you're a jerk off you're not welcome in my space and you know he's gonna go home that night and, I don't know what you're talking about, whatever. And the next day, I'm going to get called in and explain what's going on. So you did run into some of those. Absolutely. It happens more than you think. Not all the time.

But it happens more than you think. But every one of those people, there's not one example that I can say that I'm not friendly with and or still able to work with and that's not just on the active uh on the roles of the agency guys or on the roles and i say these these are these are civilians that i'm now still friends with and do business with that we're working for and with these are civilians that are working for and with or people that i'm now you know helping on their security posture that i ran across these folks or they had the same sense and came to came to a guy like me or a guy like andy and said you got to help me how do how do i communicate with these people because i don't know how to do it so let me just in case some people miss the

importance of what you just said i'll translate a little farther and say that that means that if there are situations in the private sector where certain individuals have approached private individuals posing as someone else and then reveal their identity to be something within the intelligence world yep you have been somebody who is called on to then mediate that situation one million percent not only mediate but but actually um it's bad to say but not not escalated but actually put it into motion to be creative and to be productive for both sides right you know because i know how to handle it i i get it. They've never done that. There it is. There's a risk assessment.

You know, your risk to not take advantage of this opportunity is worse than your risk to ignore it, you know, or to do it. What's scary about that, though, without knowing the details, which no one out there does, and for a lot of these I don't either based on our private conversations. What's scary is that we are often talking about domestic individuals where the approach could be on some what begin as domestic problems. And technically, these agencies that are not the FBI are supposed to operate on an international intelligence basis and not muddy the waters of what's used the big word here but like spying on a domestic basis so that's what gives me some pause it's great that someone like you is there to be able to translate what's going on and figure out like okay no this is fine that's not whatever let's make let's make this smooth but you know i keep on thinking about some of the things andy bustamante said in the second episode he did with me. I mean in both episodes, he revealed a lot of points of view where you were – without necessarily saying it, you can see where he lives and perhaps where the CIA resides on issues. And there's some stuff that from a Freudian perspective, if you know what I mean, I can't get out of my head. And, and then he was

just on Lex Friedman as well. And he said some more things there. But one of the things he said that went as far as I can tell, largely unnoticed by pretty much anyone else I haven't heard any comments on it from people in episode 107 was he talked about we need an enemy and he was referring to the United States and he was referring to the fact that our people are divided right now we need to come together around a common enemy and at first first I was like, wait, is he talking about like this is – he's talking about politics? And then once he went more, I realized he was talking about the same old thing like having an enemy abroad. And one of the stretches you could make with that statement is you could immediately move that towards the attitude of we need a war, right? And I never, ever want to do that because war is hell.

You don't have to be there to have some semblance of an idea about that. Someone like you understands exactly what that is. We don't need that. We don't need that. We don't want that. But war is a reality out there, right? So you avoid it at all costs, but god forbid it comes to it knock on wood you go in there you go and guns blazing that all said it is very interesting to me that he's saying

that three months after four months after initially saying on concrete the whole taiwan prediction in 2024 where he's predicting that taiwan will be taken by china and then he said it a month later on episode 97 here yeah but then you know three months after episode 97 he's in there for 107 and he says that shortly before then as it turns out pelosi suddenly makes a trip to taiwan which you know look, look, we can think, well, we want a Nancy Pelosi. I do want threats to be an apolitical issue. And I appreciate I was worried for a while that like, you know, Russia was a left wing cause and China was a right wing cause. Now it seems like both parties are getting it on both issues and China, which has a bigger

GDP and is probably at the end of the day therefore more dangerous overall the left is starting to get it you know whether or not her tactics there of like just fucking flying in there and dumping were like the best that's another argument but i appreciate the fact that even nancy pelosi seems to be coming around on that do you think that there is some concern within intelligence and within government? And this is the reason I say all this. Do you think that there is some concern there that we need certain people in the government to be able to take advantage of ongoing or what will be upcoming struggles with China. And that therefore, based on the intelligence that they have, that is secret, that they can't

share with us. That is part of what makes it secret. They are saying to themselves, wait, we're going to help make this happen, which is totally wrong from a democracy perspective. And I don't like that at all. But from a behind the scenes perspective is a very heavy thing and it doesn't mean they're right either do you think there could be any of that at play so let me understand so you're saying basically are they like we said like andy said we're we need an enemy right yes you're saying that there's some orchestration of demonstration of wanting to solidify our union by assisting in creating that enemy yes and then this could have something to do with it i don't know what but it could this whole trump raid thing man that is as as wild as that sounds it, it makes sense to me. As wild as that sounds.

Listen, I do not disagree with Andy's statement with regards to needing an enemy. Sun Tzu and keep your friends close and your enemies closer and learn how to navigate through your relationship with people who want to hurt you. these conditions in the past what has moved us forward as a united front in our recent years in your in your lifetime what has made america a flag waving 9-11 yeah right so and this is terrible this is hard for me to even fathom because I live it daily. But at the same time, that's why as crazy as everything sounds, we do need that unity again. We do need the opportunity to have that unity again. And we're not doing fantastically well so are they creating it i don't know is it possible yeah it's definitely possible because all those but you talked earlier on something else and that's when i first thought of this but you were going off i didn't want to just like stick this in wait me going off no i i love it you came in here a batch of hell yeah yeah it was great i'm crazed about fucking amazing crazed about this but when you were talking about all

these people on social media and fighting over stuff and we see this radical politicization politicization god damn it there it is again you know of of these factions wanting the other to not exist which is another another thing Andy talks about. The greatest distraction to that – and I don't know if that rabbit's too far out of the hat. Some of these people are lost. But overall, the greatest distraction to that is when suddenly things are at stake. Lives are on the line and we've got an enemy abroad. when I look at our – and what internal intelligence could be thinking, they may be thinking, holy shit, all these campaigns are working at dividing us. Like even beyond what we wanted to do because we love controlling the people to some extent so we can do what we do, which is a whole moral issue big time right there.

But like this is beyond the pale so much that they're like, we need to move this forward. While we still have advantages over these guys, which we do militarily and things like that, we need to make sure that people are on the same page and suddenly like, all right, forget for a minute all this Trump, Biden, Republican, Democrat, all this stuff. We were united on the whole front that like China's a problem. And so we fight through money for Ukraine,

which I actually appreciate that Biden didn't put boots on the ground. Very much appreciate that. But we're giving them all the fucking money in the world, right, with another issue while China is silently kind of on the other side. And now the timing is 100 days out from the election, Pelosi is getting tough on Taiwan, going over there. And you hear guys like Andy who say what you want. They're in the know on some things. You know what I mean? Yep, definitely.

And I see things. Not everything he says comes to light because he does maintain overall. And he says this to broaden things. It's like things fall when he says it. It's like 60% to 80% confidence intervals. But he's hitting on some of them. Absolutely. I've watched them happen live

absolutely no um and that that makes perfect sense to a guy like me that makes perfect sense to a guy like me and you know i want to talk more about yeah you know i don't think i don't think the government created 9-11 i don't think that but i do think that that sense of unity is something they like to kind of get back. And it's important to get it back with all the shit that's gone on. And yeah, we go in cycles back and forth as a country, but I would not – there are some brilliant minds in the community. There are some brilliant minds. There are some brilliant thinkers. There in the community you know there's some brilliant minds there's some brilliant thinkers there's some progressive thinkers and um it has got to be happening you know at a level where at least it's being discussed um have i sat on those meetings

maybe you know have i been involved maybe i don't know um maybe I just didn't recognize it when it was going down. But I truly do believe that we are in the deepest need for unity and for healing and to kind of move forward. So what scares me is the last time we were in that situation, something really bad happened. Right? last time we were in that situation something really bad happened right and i was in new york city this week and i got to tell you like you want to talk about letting down the guard you know just not being with it holy how so just there's no sense of you know situational awareness there's there's no sense of looking around and seeing what's happening the city's a mess again it's a mess um just it it kind of shook me up a little bit i hadn't been in in a while you know i took the ferry over that's always a disaster anyway they're

always in you know some type of security status one, which means everything's good. I'm like, okay. Once again, DiIorio carrying. Yeah, yeah. We will inspect your thing. Okay, yeah, all right, whatever. You know my specialty when I go to a company. I do the same thing and it worked again.

But I just think we're prime for it and if we take it further and kind of extrapolate it out to this situation that just occurred and then um the fact that you've got a sitting precedent president that's sick you know really sick and you've got no no real thought of who's on the horizon, who's on the bench. He's not calling the shots, though. No. I mean, you agree with that, right?

Totally. But there are some masterful portions of whoever is calling the shots, and then there's some just absolute stupidity on people who are calling the shots for him. I've never seen anything like it. What do's some just absolute stupidity and people are calling the shots for him i've never seen anything like it what do you mean well i mean just like um you know it's oil prices are based on the attack uh you know supply chain is is the problem covid caused all these issues like there's just you say like all right you got to stop that portion of it but then the orchestration of whatever got orchestrated here on these you know kind of attack on the

midterms because they know the the left has got to think oh shit you know we we definitely we definitely have a problem here but they put him in this is what i'm saying though i know put him in kamala harris No, I know. Who's, I know. I mean, oh, my God. Well, she was an actual candidate for the big office. I know, but they. I mean, Bernie. The one thing I'll say about Bernie, at least he's fucking consistent.

Yeah, and they fucked him. They fucked him twice. You know, yeah. I mean, terribly consistent, but consistent, you know? So, I mean, kind of, I just wouldn't put it by either side to really start being extremely creative when their backs are against the wall. And they feel like their backs are against the wall. And the one, think about the only only thing and this is sad too think about the only common ground that both sides of the aisle have recently reached the weaponization and the failures of the federal bureau of investigation and the doj yeah yo You're going to put a federal monitor on the sitting attorney general?

The fuck? That's bad. That's bad. I've always thought, I was going to say this earlier, but you were ripping on something else again. But I've always thought the thing about having an AG as a part of the cabinet when it's really not. It's not. I don't like that. It's not part of the cabinet. You put really not. It's not. I don't like that. It's not part of the cabinet.

You put them in a bad position. But they're briefing on everything. I mean, they're sitting, he's got a daily with whoever he's, who's ever running the show. I don't know who that is, but he's got a daily with that person. You know? What do you mean a daily? Well, I mean, think about, look at Barr and Trump's relationship. Yeah.

So there's got to be a relationship in the White House with someone yeah i don't know who that is yeah um so you know i heard an interesting piece of andy the other day on on lev right it's lev lex friedman lex i heard a great portion about the president's daily brief oh yeah you know and he's talking about like some presidents you know only read a couple of pages some presidents read the entire thing some presidents tell you exactly what they want and care less about all the other shit that's going on the world what the fuck does that guy want he can't even comprehend he can't put his sport coat on bro yeah the last he fell on a bike you know he's sick and i feel terrible for the fact that he's sick he's sick yeah he's really sick and nobody's taking

control of that his wife should be bailing you know his wife should be pulling him out well they i don't think they wanted it and that's what i'm saying like when we're talking about the chess pieces on the board and trying to figure out you know why they're putting the night to that space instead of that one and why the rooks over here no idea i don't know but it all does point to you know like constantly moving from one distraction to another and then quietly shifting things abroad you know i i told this story with someone else i just had in for a podcast but there was there was a reporter there's a reporter at the new york times who's the guy who uncovered the mk ultra thing yes and so this dude danny had him on concrete 66 and it

was a really really great podcast this guy had a lot of good tidbits but in the 80s he was the New York Times South America correspondent okay so he was living down there like all over the place and so he knew Jimmy Carter a little bit Carter's out of office for a couple years and he comes to visit whatever country this guy was in and so I guess this guy hit him up and he's like hey let's get a drink or whatever so he goes and meets with jimmy carter for a couple hours i think he was also doing a story to talk about reflections on the presidency and all that and you know one thing about jimmy carter's is he was a very ineffective president he was not good but sadly enough he was

probably the most moral guy to ever hold that office. Dude still lives in a $100,000 house to this day. Builds houses for Habitat. An idealist, has never been politically too involved. And so they're reminiscent on what the whole experience was like and how much power the president really has. And the guy asked him, he said, do you think that office is too powerful or not powerful enough? And he said, well, it depends how you're looking at it. And the guy said, what do you mean? He goes, well, at the beginning of my presidency, I invited every single living president in to meet with me because I just went in one-on-one.

I wanted to pick their brain, get an idea of things to expect, whatever. And the most interesting one of all of them was Nixon. And so the reporter's like, you have my attention. And he goes, so what do you say? And Carter says, well, when we got to domestic politics, he's like, oh, who gives a fuck about all that? You know, that's just Congress. Those people suck. They never let you do anything. You're just going to fight over and move five percent here five percent there health care taxes it's all whatever fuck it foreign policy though now that's where you got some power you don't need congress for a lot of that shit and you could do whatever you want and you can that's the fun stuff you know imagine fucking tricky dick nixon saying this my god

and carter's like oh okay and so carter was goes, you know, I think about that a lot now and how simple some decisions could have been for me to make and some decisions I did make. And I don't know about that. Like that needs a little more oversight. And largely today, a lot of that same power exists. So when we're bitching about domestic politics and in this case, in fairness, this is the middle where this is a former U.S. president. So there's international implications. When we're bitching about all this stuff, there's, this is the middle where this is a former U.S. president. So there's international implications. We're bitching about all this stuff. There's a lot of stuff going on outside of here.

And that's why when a guy like Andy actually soberly breaks down what's going on in Ukraine and some of the smart moves the Biden administration is making, some of the dumb moves they're making, neither of which any of us are thinking about because it's over there. It's separate. We're forgetting about it. We're fighting here. You see the chess pieces happening and you do see, I'm not even calling this out as a bad thing. I'm just saying it's a fact.

Like that's a proxy war happening there. You got China on one side of the equation, us on the other side. We're not fighting. It's Russian Ukraine, but we're funding, we're supporting, and we're kind of setting up for things.

So when I see stuff like this happen, that's why my head goes back to that because I'm like, all right, they're not looking tomorrow. They're looking two years from now, three years from now, four years from now. Who do they got to deal with in office? Well, one of the things that the CIA doesn't like is that Trump was one of the most heavy privatized. Andy talks about this too. Private intelligence. His intel agencies were were hired so that's scary because i didn't want to talk to he didn't want to talk to the agency that's

what i'm saying so they lose power they lose influence yep you see how they could be worried about that think about this though the irony of him bringing pompeo from the cia to the state department when he really didn't that's i i hope someday I can have the one-on-one with Mike, but it hasn't happened yet. What do you mean the irony of that? Well, I mean, he didn't want that intelligence agency reporting to him. Yet he brings the guy who is running that show to the State Department, who's talking to him every minute of every day. And is the diplomat that's taking most of the intelligence agency's information and turning it into product, turning it into policy.

But he also was, Mike was an outsider there, right? At CIA? Yeah, he had never, yeah, he didn't come up at all. Yeah, he didn't come at all through the rank and file. But still, you know. How much did they, that's the other thing, like how much, how much did they that's the other thing like how much how much do they tell him the truth there he's not one of them smart guy though it doesn't matter it's a lot of people yeah but he's getting the right info

i'm i'm confident in that there's a lot that goes on oh hell yeah you know it doesn't take many hell yeah there's no there's no doubt about that bro i mean let's be honest no doubt so what what are you on this specific situation though what are the next things you're looking at and this coming out like probably five days after we're recording this four days after we're recording so some things may happen but like what needs to happen next that hasn't yet that needs to clear this up for you to feel better about it or for this to be see its way through and and be done with well i'd like to see i'd like to at least get some information that indicates that what what the crimes the underlying crimes are that are being uh kind of thrown out in the affidavit. So what would the

evidence that's being collected, what will that translate to with regards to an actual crime? And just because a search warrant is issued doesn't mean anybody's getting indicted. You know, I mean, I can't even tell you the numbers on that, but it doesn't necessarily mean, okay, somebody's getting arrested, somebody's getting indicted, somebody's, you know, the investigation continues to collect evidence in order to prove, disprove, or create a continuing investigation, right? Then, I mean, we're never going to see the body of the affidavit. I don't think we are going to see that. Maybe we will. I don't know. I'd also like to see, like you said, what was taken, what actually was taken, and how much, you know, actual detail is going to be involved. If that's let out or if that's provided, what will the detail within those vouchers, because that's what they are. They're just evidence logs and vouchers that indicate here's what we took from

you. You know, it needs to be very specific. But will we get that information? That would be telling as to whether or not it's actually the pursuit of a criminal charge. If we don't see that, if we don't see either or of those, I think it's exactly what we're thinking it is. in order to put him in a situation where he has to make a decision to either fight harder, which we know that's what it's going to be either way, or it gives leverage to whatever side we think this is going to. If we do see it, it still doesn't mean that's not the case. But normally that's followed with kind of a negotiation of scope, whether or not they took what they were supposed to take. And there'll be like a turn back of some of the evidence that didn't fall within the scope. Or it could be scoped with regards to the actual crimes that were being, you know, kind of the allegations that were being put forth, whether or not the evidence that was taken, and this will all be fought in court if it's a real search warrant, whether or not those things match with what the allegations of the crimes were.

So there might be a turn back there. You'll see a lot of court time. Or November comes and this is still all pending and the midterms turn out how they are and this just falls off the face of the earth. I think it's a shitter of Florida. I think they're fucked either way at this point because if they don't bring an indictment, it looks like the narrative will be,

well, they caved to the insurmountable public pressure because of what happened and how badly this was all conducted, and they're therefore corrupt. And if they do bring an indictment, they'll be like, oh my god, they're criminally going after a former president to prevent him from running for office again. This is the FBI getting involved. That's why the carelessness of how some of this was put together you can't you can't deny so the the only thing we haven't addressed today and we got a couple minutes left because i gotta get you out of here but the only thing we haven't addressed i just thought of this was the representative i think his name's scott perry the he's a republican i don't even know from what state i didn't know who the guy

was but he had his phone seized by three fbi agents at an airport two days ago you didn't hear about this no i didn't hear about it so he just reported like i had no heads up the fbi came up with a warrant and took my phone off me. Does that happen a lot? Or what's the story there? No. I mean, it never happened in my entire time. Yeah. I mean.

It's not reassuring. Yeah. I mean, even back before the use of cell phones, no. I mean, it would be, you know, subscriber, total information, subscriber information subpoenaed from the phone company. It's a different world nowadays. So that phone now is usually taken and it's either, there's a couple of companies like Cellbrite does an immediate kind of transfer of information or even a cloning of the phone. So access to the bureau, you know, would become easier to do than back in the day when Apple wasn't cooperating. No, that that that there's something I mean, what's the context?

Who is he? He's a representative. Allegedly, what is referred to is they want it as evidence for things around post-election and denying the election results or something. And this comes on the heels of, like, Alex Jones' attorneys accidentally leaking his cell phone data for two years to the defense who then turned it over to the prosecutors and stuff for stuff. So I don't know if it's related to that, but it seems nutty. It doesn't make any sense to me. I mean, but it does indicate, I guess, a little bit more about what they're looking at than his – well, it's the same shit they tried to impeach him for though you know right yeah that's what i said they keep on making the guy a victim they gotta i don't know it's weird

it's a weird dynamic and but that is not common to to seize the cell phone good to know i mean if if it were going to be done i guess it's you know it's similar to to a computer where we would come and and actually make a copy and you know transfer uh your hard drive onto a device and and use that as an evidence you know then it then it takes a minute to kind of analyze that so that the agents can review with keywords and different things along those lines. But a cell phone, you know, they could transfer that shit in like a half hour. And they took it. They took it. And then that opens up, you know, now can you get the password?

If he didn't offer the password, consent for the password, it just sits. That's a whole other conversation. It just sits. Because Apple's not helping. No. I'm not going to touch that. I would love to touch that they're not helping you know you know andy won't he wasn't involved you were but like

he won't even buy an apple product because of that he's like i'm not gonna help the company that wouldn't help us with san bernardino i'm like well yeah it makes sense though yeah it's a little a little bigger than that it makes sense that's weird though it's weird okay well that's good to know listen really really appreciate you coming in so last minute i'm. Yeah, I'm glad I'm here and I want to say hi to everybody. I hope everybody's good. Stay safe. Don't worry. All right.

Well, let's see how this turns out. Thank you as always, sir. My pleasure. We will do it again. My pleasure. Everybody else, you know what it is. Give it a thought. Get back to me.

Peace. Thank you.