Julian Dorey Podcast - [VIDEO] - Joe Teti: Surviving the DEADLIEST Place on Earth, Lion Attacks, & Charging Elephants | 187

Episode Date: February 24, 2024

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What's up guys? If you're on Spotify right now, please follow the show so that you don't miss any future episodes and leave a five-star review. Thank you. I saw two cub tails behind her. That's when it gets dicey. Oh, boy. Yeah. Do any of you have a weapon on you? No. This female lion sees me. It was probably 30 yards away. If I had a rifle slung, I don't even think I could have got it up in time to take a shot. That cat closed the distance within probably 15 feet. You're right on top of her now.

And I remember it just looking at me like this. I'm thinking, holy shit, I'm about to get eaten alive by a lion. Like, this is gonna suck but we had started on that getting into a little bit of the dual survival stuff and you at least started on talking about it but how did that how did the opportunity even come up like how did you get offered to do this and drop around the world so first i had no desire to be on tv zero like think about it i was in a black ops unit like it's black black as you can get and then being on a international tv show from like like it's the complete opposite sides of the spectrum but to answer your question i was in California doing exercise with MARSOC and I was out in the desert and a friend of mine was texting me, or excuse me, he was emailing me. He's like, hey, dude,

check this email that's out, go to the community, meaning the special operations community. And it was from this production company. It said, wanted special operations individual for reality TV show. Didn't say the name. And it just said, send resume and headshot. I think it's what it said. Yeah. I'm like, dude, whatever. I'm like, I'm not interested.

He's like, Hey, let's just turn our names. I'm like, dude, nah, I'm not interested. I want to do it. We kept like every freaking day. He kept saying like, bro, enough. So I finally said to held it. I'm just going to turn my name in. So I like, I had a bio and just some bullshit picture.

Like I didn't care. And I, I sent it. I'm like done. I even CC'd him like here, dude, it's done. Leave me the fuck alone. Right. I'm never going to do this. Exactly.

Dude. Never say never. Oh my God. So I sent it in and I ended up going back home after this exercise. And did you feel like you could do that role? No problem though. Didn't even think about it. Didn't even, it didn't even register. It was a fuck it, send it moment. Yeah. It was like, fuck it, send it. Yeah. I'm like, I'm done. Like, okay. I'm not joking, dude. So about maybe two weeks later, three weeks later, I can't remember. And I'm getting a phone call from this dude.

He was like a talent rep or something from Discovery. I don't remember what his title was. And he said, hey, Mr. Ted, we got your bio and your headshot. Very interesting. But he says, you know, don't get too excited. You know, we have 1800 people we're looking at. I'm like, okay, great. I literally hung up the phone on him. Like, thanks. Nice talking to you. Didn't care. Two weeks later, I get another phone call from the guy and he says, hey, you're in like the top hundred or something. I don't remember. It was like 100 or 200 people.

And he said, can you make me a video of yourself talking? I said, no, I'm too busy. He said, just a quick – I said, sir, I don't have the time. I'm sorry. Seriously, I just didn't – I didn't care. Joe, flip around the iPhone. Come on, pal. Didn't even have an iPhone. Yeah, I was going to say, this is like what, 2010? Yeah, I didn't have one, man. I had't care. Joe, flip around the iPhone. Come on, pal. Didn't even have an iPhone.

Yeah, I was going to say, this is like what, 2010? Yeah, I didn't have one, man. I had some bullshit. Oh, no, I had a BlackBerry or some shit. I can't remember. Oh, the Crackberry. Yeah, the Crackberry. Remember those days? So I'm like, I can't do it, man.

I don't have the time. And so he's like, oh, okay. And I thought it was the end of it. I'm like, that's the end of that. Thank God. About a week later, I get a call from a woman. She was, I think, with the production company. And she said, Mr. Ted, you're down to the top five. And we need you to come do a chemistry test with the other host of the show.

I'm like, what? A what? A chemistry test? She's like, yeah. She's like, we just want to see how you guys interact. I'm like, oh. And this is your best friend, Corey. Yeah.

So, Cody. I even fucked up his name. Sorry. That's too good. So. Just a quick note to everyone listening on Spotify. If you haven't heard my previous two episodes with Joe Ted, I before the links are going to be in the description to this episode.

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I was just like, what the fuck is this all about? So I was supposed to leave the next week to go fly, I think it was to Arizona, I think, to meet the host of this other show. Still don't know the name of the show. Still don't know the name of the host. Nothing. They're being like ultra secretive with the shit and so two days before i leave i come down with like a massive kidney infection like dude i was sick as a dog i had like 103 fever i was a sick and this kind of shows you do like life dude just

you never know what is going to happen. I was really sick. I'm like, I'm not going. Like, there's no way. And so don't ask me to this day. I don't even know why or how. But I ended up getting on the plane, flying there, and they checked me into a hotel. And it was really weird because they, like, sequestered everybody.

Like, they said, stay in your room. Don't leave. If you need food, order room service, dah, dah, dah, dah. I'm like, okay. So the next morning I woke up, they put me in this van and they drove me out in the middle of the desert. And I just remember a bunch of cars and there were five white tents set up, like kind of separated by 50 yards.

And I seen some other dudes and then they said, go, just go into this tent right here and wait, just wait till we call you. Okay. About an hour or two went by and up walks this guy. And he says, look, he goes, we want you to walk down this trail and you're going to see a guy standing there. He goes, just pick up a conversation with him. Just start talking. I conversation with him just start talking like about what like just start talking to him like okay so i go walking down this trail and it kind of went up and down when i got to the top i looked

down and i seen cody lundin and i had watched the show dual survival i watched it i i liked dave canterbury i like the way he because dave was on the show originally with cody i just liked the way dave it was military guy very knowledgeable about survival i just liked his attitude and just the way he presented stuff and like holy shit like what happened to this period like die or something so you know and um so i the funny thing is i'd walk i walked up to cody and the first thing i said was like let me see the bottom of your feet because he walked around barefoot and he's like oh here and it didn't make a big deal out of he said well here and i touched him and it was like touching a a mat like a map a mat you would wipe your feet on like very calloused very hard as a matter of fact he used to glue his callous his cracks

together with blue dude was pretty crazy but anyway that's a whole nother story so we just start talking and i didn't know this at the, but his instructions were to push my buttons and become argumentative with me because that's kind of – it was a yin and yang show. They wanted the heel. They wanted to see how I was going to react. And so he said something like, so what do you know about survival? Like you're some military dude, but what do you know about survival? Like you're some military dude, but what do you know about survival? You know? And I'm like, to be honest with you, not a whole lot.

Fucking like, don't, I know the basics, but like not a whole lot. I said, you know what my survival is, is get on your freaking horse and get the hell out of there and blow your wad freaking walking 50 damn miles and get done with it right that's my that's was i'm not gonna sit out there and camp it's not my thing so then he said something he said something like something that is effective like you really think you can hang with me out in the woods and like motherfucker like yeah i think i can so he was doing a very good job at it like are you getting like visibly pissed or are you oh yeah oh i was starting to cringe a little bit yeah i would start because it was so funny because later on the executive producer for

the show um brian nichelle who's an amazing producer and he's actually a friend of mine now he's like hey dude you want to see your your uh sizzle reel because they because dude you gotta oh the other thing they said is like oh when you come up over and meet him ignore all the other people and it was like cars down there and like tvs set up where they were like watching to see what you actually look like on tv because brian even told me he's like joe you never know just like spec ops guys you don't know who's going to make it he says i've worked with supermodels and these people and you either the tv the camera either loves you or hates you there's no way of telling so they wanted to see how you actually looked on tv right and so um so uh brian he basically said you want to see your scissor reel? And you could see I was getting torqued, right?

It was pretty funny. This is trauma. Yeah. And so anyway, then he said, oh, they told me to bring a knife with me. That was the other thing, to bring a knife. So I brought this knife I had. And he said, do something like survivalist or something. I can't remember the words he said, like do something, show me what you know.

And like, so what I ended up doing was I took my knife out, I cut down a branch, cleaned it. And then I gutted my shoelaces and took out the 550 cord, but I took out the guts and I tied my knife to this pole and made like a spear. Whoa. And he's like, that's kind of cool, you know? And so anyway, probably spent 45 minutes together, something like that. I don't remember, to be honest with you. Enough to piss you off.

Yeah, enough to, you know, bend me out of the frame a little bit but anyway um and then they walked me back to my tent and basically said hey thanks for coming out appreciate it that was it but what was funny is the executive producer for discovery um another amazing guy um who again here's another mentor in my life um his name was french whirlwitz um he was the executive producer for the show he told brian that's the guy like 10 minutes in he goes don't even need to see anybody else that's the guy right there i believe that but they didn't tell me they just let me go home and like hey thanks for coming and so i thought that was the end of it i thought right there they'd be like oh hey you know you're you're great but you know you're not what we're looking for whatever so i go home this is so funny i go home. This is so funny. I go home and I don't know, it was like a week later, maybe

I'm driving in my car and my phone rings and I'll never forget this dude. My phone rings. I looked down at it and it was like a five, one, six area code. I'm like five, one, six. I think it's New York. I'm like, who's calling me from New York? I don't know anybody from New York. I'm like, hello? And I hear this dude on the other end of the phone, very serious. He's like, is this Joe Tedai? It is now.

Maybe. Maybe. And he's like, why do you need to speak to Joe Tedai? I'm like, you're speaking to him. And he's like, my name is so-and-so, and I'm an attorney. And I'm like, oh, shit. And I fucking hung up the phone. I'm like, why is there an attorney calling me?

They're saying because I won the lottery. You know, like attorneys don't call people because they're doing good shit, right? If you or a loved one was victim of a mesothelioma, you could be entitled to financial compensation. Exactly. So my phone rings again and here it is again for the second time during this process where if I would, the guy even told me, if you didn't answer your phone, I was calling the next guy. Literally he told me, he said, if you didn't answer answer my orders were to call the next person immediately and i'll get into that but anyway he said hey uh joseph i think we got disconnected and i'm like yeah okay he goes like look man he goes he goes didn't you just do a a chemistry test with cody

lundin for dual survival i said yeah he's like do you want the job or not like literally that's how i said it yep and i dude every time i drive by this gas station, I think it's so funny. I, I pull off the road into this gas station where there was this car wash and I was just, holy shit. Like this got real, really fast. And I remember I got out of my car and I said, can you give me a second? And I remember I put them on mute and I'm like, okay, this is a life-changing decision. Like I knew the show was very popular.

I knew it was an international show, which it is. Yeah. And I was just like, oh my God. And again, maybe that's that thing, you know, like looking to conquer the next mountain. I don't know. I don't know what it was, but the challenge of it don't know i said yeah man you're fucking literally my response was yeah you're fucking on and he's like hey congratulations he goes keep your phone open you're going to be getting some phone calls um i can't remember what this lady's name when she was like the president of the discovery channel not discovery communications um but i can't remember what this lady's name was. She was like the president of the Discovery Channel, not Discovery Communications. But I can't remember what her name was. But Mr. Zaslav was the CEO of Discovery Communications.

I met him once, but for like a second. But anyway, my phone rang a couple minutes later, and it was her. She's like, hey, Mr. Ted, congratulations, da-da-da-da-da. You know, I'm glad to have you on board if anything you need let me know i'm like yes ma'am okay then this this guy calls me back and he's like hey do you have an attorney and a cpa and i'm like no he's like you're gonna need him i'm like oh man it happened very very quickly, dude. Like the power curve went like this. It wasn't this.

It went straight up. So long story short, you know, they sent me my contract. That's a whole nother mess. Like advice for anybody, don't just hire an attorney that doesn't know entertainment law. Oh yeah. And I didn't. Cost me a lot of money. You didn't get an Asian or something?

No, no. I called a friend of mine that was an attorney, and I'm like, hey, can you just look at a contract for me? He's like, of course. Probably called Mike Spear. Anyway, bad, bad decision on my point. But anyway, that's a whole other story. And so, yeah, I ended up, I shot 41 episodes, four seasons.

Um, but again, had great mentors. French Horowitz actually took the time to go on the very first episode, which was on, um, Omitempe Island in Nicaragua. It was literally two volcanic islands it looked like two boobs one was still smoking and the other one wasn't and we were on the one that wasn't had that basically flooded they started me off inside this volcano what was the guy's name you just said french horowitz it sounded familiar anyway anyway he's been in the business a long time and he was the executive producer for the show. But anyway, the guy took the time out of his own schedule to go to this shit.

Dude, we're literally working on the side of a volcano all the time. Can we pull up a picture of this? Oma Tempe Island, yeah. And so anyway – How would this work? So they know they would scout locations around the world. Correct. Actually, how did they determine what – how did the scouting work?

Were you involved in that? No. And let me tell you, this was a finely – here's another thing, dude. This was a finely engineered – yep, that's it right there. See them? We were on that one, the one on the right. The other one has actually a still a still a functioning volcano but uh it was gorgeous but shitty ass terrain dude i probably fell 19 000 times there

over woods and shit oh yeah dude but anyway where is this on a map alessi it's right here yep nicaragua yeah it's right in center of lake Lake Nicaragua. It's pretty badass, dude. Yeah. I didn't even know that was a thing. Yeah. Right. Looks like two boobs. Wow. So anyway, no, I was not part of the scouting, but they had everything. There was always a team in front of us scouting, like next location. And that's all due to Brian Nischel's guidance. Is it guys like you

doing the scouting or like discovery people not discovery no it was a the uh um the uh production company original media it's not like they're dropping in there with no pants on and trying to survive very well funded yeah yeah don't don't Don't think for a minute. Yeah, yeah. Very well-funded. But Brian was the, you know, the director that had everything. Like, the guy's really good at what he does. But anyway, they would scout locations, and it would just depend on what they wanted. We want a snow location or a desert location or a jungle location. But anyway, French Horowitz ended up going there with us and groomed me and mentored me through my first. Now, dude, let me just say this right now.

Everybody's like, I could be on TV. Let me tell you something. When you know there's a million people watching and they've got a camera in your face and every little thing you say, you fart, you burp, whatever, dude, that is high anxiety. High anxiety. At least it was for me. Every little thing you say you do. And so. And you don't know what's getting kept in the edit. No, but let me tell you, I, this is what I asked Brian.

Look, and I didn't know this guy from a can of paint. I said, you aren't going to make me look like an idiot, sir. Are you? He's like, Joe, my job is to make you look like a rock star. And it was a trust thing. And I'll be honest with you. Didn't trust the guy when I first met him, but he earned my trust. He never, dude, I can tell you right now, there's not a time where I watched an episode and went, oh Jesus, not one. Really? Nope. Not one. Maybe a couple of embarrassing moments, but not like, oh my God. But it was because of him. He's like, my job is to make you look good, you know, not look like an idiot. You know, of course.

Guys, if you're still watching this video and you haven't yet hit that subscribe button, please take two seconds and go hit it right now. Thank you. How long was it between getting the job and doing the first shoot? It was pretty quick because, dude, here's what happened. They actually, after Mr. Canabare, Dave, Dave left the show, they were going to shut the show down. They were just going to cancel it. But then they decided to do another, like a roll call to get a replacement, right? So I wasn't even supposed to be the guy. There was a gentleman by the name of Mack Mackiewicz, who was a former SEAL, that they actually picked first.

And this is what I've been told. I don't know if this is 100% true, but from what I have been told, and I've heard the story from several people, they put out a, not a roll call, there's another name for it, but a call to get somebody to fill the space. And he got it.

Something happened. They couldn't come to terms with whatever, who knows? I don't know. But, um, he ended up not doing it. And then they said,

the show's done. Then somebody said, let's do it one more time. And they got you. And that's when I threw my name into the, into the mix. And so, um,

and so, uh, yeah, man. And it was just a very, very steep learning curve because you have to remember it's a survival show and I'm not a survival guy. I keep saying it. They didn't hire me to be a survival guy. They had Cody, who is top three, five guys in the world that can do what he can do. And then after Cody left the show, they brought in Matt Graham.

But you're also hold on back up a minute you're also highly trained in being resourceful in completely unassisted danger zones correct yes so okay not pure survivalist right but they teach you a thing or ten in what you right but let me just explain what i mean by that like so everybody thinks it's so easy to make fire by friction right whether you're using a bow drill whatever dude those guys make it look easy because they've done it thousands and thousands of times right i couldn't even get a guy that i trained to get a fire going with matches dryer lint and dry twigs okay how do you think you're going to fare in a real world environment and get a bow drill to work? Ain't happening, dude. Good luck. Good luck.

They make it look easy because they've done it so many times. I've done it, but you know how many times I've failed? Like, dude, and that's what I tell people. It's all about preparedness. But anyway, it was a yin and yang. You had one guy who was a natural survivalist who, you know, lived that lifestyle, like lived it, you know, him and Matt lived that lifestyle. Like they don't have electricity at their houses. So, and then you brought in this spec ops dude where my entire philosophy was like, I want to get the hell out of here. Every day you're in an austere environment where you're not eating right and sleeping right. It goes like this. You'll hit about the three-day mark.

After that, you're going to wish you're dead. You're going to be dehydrated. You're going to have a headache. You're going to be nauseous. You're going to have diarrhea. Dude, every episode, 41, headache, diarrhea, nausea. you're gonna have a headache you're gonna be nauseous you're gonna have diarrhea dude every every episode 41 headache diarrhea nausea every single one yeah so what what's that that let's go that first one they drop you in there in nicaragua what kind of temperatures are we

obviously it's hot it was humid it was like uh 90, 90% humidity. So what happens when they drop you? Obviously, you have cameras following you around, but you and Cody are dropped with minimal equipment that they predetermined ahead of time. So they had this thing called the magic backpack. And it would be a scenario. So in the beginning, they'd have role players create a scenario. Like in this episode, you know,

two backpackers are hiking through the Carpathian mountains and they get lost. They, and they start it that way. And then we kind of take over their position. But what happens is, is they would leave us a backpack and it, when we didn't know it was in it, they would like this one dude, it had a six pack of beer, condoms, tampons, like a pair of like panties i'm like what here we go like right we gotta figure it out and you do you use the condoms collect water you dump the beer out because because it's a diuretic you don't drink beer or anything it has like tea or sodas because it'll make you more dehydrated So we kept the cans to boil water in. We use the tampons to start a fire. Like that's what the show was about,

right? How do you use what you have to get out? One time, you know, they left us a snowmobile and we completely rat screwed the snowmobile and took it apart and took everything off. And Another time they left us in Vietnam, they left us a motorcycle. Another time they left us a crashed airplane in the Bahamas in the water. And so it was a – they actually called it a docuseries. You're learning, but it's a reality show at the same time, right? And how much of it did you feel

like was scripted versus it was real it was a non-scripted show so they didn't i know they're all called that yeah the only time that you know the producer whoever it was would want something scripted as they'd say joe how we want to talk about how cold it is how cold is it right now oh my god it's so cold it frees the balls is it right now? Oh my God. It's so cold. It frees the balls off a brass monkey, dah, dah, dah, dah, dah, right. That kind of shit that they, and they, and then we would do these interviews, which were extremely difficult because you had to talk about things you did in the past and the present. It was a very weird way of being interviewed. Like in a studio trailer. No, no like on the spot like right on the spot be like all right joe come here and they would do all these questions and they would plug them in like

in different parts in this show to kind of like answer questions like you know you're cold and hungry how cold and hungry are you you know and then i'd be standing there going man i you know i'm really hungry right now i'm having like severe cramps and I'm dehydrated. And it was just, it was very taxing because you stood there for literally an hour or two. Right. And it asked you a question. They wanted to get it all because you can't go back. Right. They're not taking you back to Ometepe Island. Oh shit. We forgot. Right. When you're gone, you're gone. And that was the beauty of the of the producers like brian and it was crazy but brian dude sometimes he wouldn't even look at you like the camera would be on me and he'd have his like head turned or like his back to me and i'm like what the fuck

is he doing and he's like joe i already see the scene this is how good this guy was he was i just need to hear it and i would answer he's no, no. That's not the answer. The answer is some other way. Nope. That's it right there. Next question. Like, dude, that's how good he was. Wow.

Oh, he's genius. Genius producer. To make a guy like me look like a rock star in a show like that, you have to be pretty fucking good. Well, you're lively too. That makes his job easy. And he told me that. He said, don't act. And let me tell you why after

matt and i left the show why that show failed and it was straight from them the guys that got on there tried to act uh you're not an actor i'm not a freaking actor i can't even spell actor like i don't you know what i mean like he just said be yourself that's why we hired you be i'm like okay and i was i never tried to act on the show what you saw is what you get um how many days of shooting like on that first one nicaragua how many days were you there on the ground i think a week it's a long time for a pack yeah and some were maybe a little shorter but dude like we were in sri lanka we were there two weeks because it was a double episode it was like part one and part two and so but normally it was a week ish eight days something like that did you and you obviously

had all emergency stuff on the ground oh yeah yeah yeah oh yeah dude yeah so you at least have the back like it's a competition more but you at least have the backdrop yo shit's going down we're gonna be all right oh dude insurance required it yeah like you don't shoot shows like that without proper insurance and i'll give you an example matt and i were in um mexico i think the yucatan Peninsula. And we were going to swim. We were in a cave and kept going down and down and down. And we were going to swim through this tunnel into the cenote. And they're like, Joe, can you see the other side of it? And I'm like, I can see light.

And they had to go, they had to take somebody with a satellite phone, leave the cave and call the insurance company and say hey these guys want to do this is it there are very few things that you can be certain of in life but you can always be sure the sun will rise each morning you can bet your bottom dollar that you'll always need air to breathe and water to drink and of course you can rest assured that with public mobile's 5G subscription phone plans, you'll pay the same thing every month. With all of the mysteries that life has to offer, a few certainties can really go a long way. Subscribe today for the peace of mind you've been searching for. Public Mobile. Different is calling. I've run under insurance.

Oh, wow. Yeah. No fucking around. No, no, no no no no dude that no fucking around because you're talking about some well dude you sign your life away i mean there was a hold harmless agreement in my contract that was extremely like you get hurt you get killed your family can't do shit you just can't do shit like you're you sign your life away um And I get it. And you did 41 of these? Yeah, it was like 41 episodes. Over a three, four year period? Four seasons, 41 episodes.

It was like 10 episodes per season-ish. Got it. And how long are you doing them all in like a three, four month span? Like back to back to back to back to back to back? So this is where it got kind of shitty. To save money, they would try to do that instead of flying people so they would shoot back to back that one that i was telling you about we went from sri lanka jungle of a sri lanka hundred and some degrees 100 humidity to the arabian desert 127

degrees no humidity to a glacier in norway that can't be for your body dude i i literally spent some time in hospital yeah so they're like all right we're doing that no more so it was normally two so you would shoot so would they do opposites would they go from like cold to hot they would try to stay in a geographical area so like we would shoot in like we shot in south africa and then we went to namibia right and then home um and it's crazy like south africa like africa dude that's one place i always wanted to go that place is no fucking joke like i almost got tore up by a lion there whoa what happened there yeah so they had this thing called the art of self-reliance and it was just kind of like in the middle of the show like a 30

second thing just to keep people from leaving the show like a an act out like you do really good by the way it act outs you don't even know what you're doing i'll tell you about oh look at that look he doesn't even know he's doing it dude you do a great job at it what's an act out so an act out is when you're watching a show or a podcast and i go and dude almost got ate by a lion wham and you stop and people go oh shit what is he going to say next and it keeps him from flipping the channel oh i do that? You don't even know you're doing it. We'll talk.

Cool. Hey, guys. I haven't got a consulting fee here. Should I be on reality TV? What the fuck? This is not more complicated than it looks, as you know. No, it's called an act out. And what it does is it keeps people from going,

eh, that's boring. They keep you right on the edge of your seat. So you go, oh, this guy is about to get eaten up by baboons. Maybe that's why people talk to me all my life. But yeah, so we were in Kruger National Park in South Africa, and we were going to – we were moving to a location. It was me, cameraman, sound guy, three of us. Cody is not with you? No.

I was doing this by myself. You did it by yourself. And you just flip-flop sometimes i do it sometimes you do it and i was going to this i think it's called a baobab tree or some shit and i'm like hey this is a baobab tree and if you eat the fruit you know it's like a very quick down and dirty 30 second plug that just people go oh that's kind of cool and as we're walking dude you got to understand you're like walking through a zoo with no fences oh yeah this is where i i was telling i already talked about ryan this is where they do a lot of work yeah all over the yeah yeah dude you got all the all the big five yeah elephant lions yeah hippo so so seeing these things in the beginning were

but after a while i was like yeah there's an elephant there's a line well we're walking and we see these two female lions laying there and they're all fat dumb and happy because they hunt during the night you can just see their stomachs are all puffed up and you know they just This one didn't. She sat up and when she sat up, I saw two cub tail, the tails behind her. There were two cubs. That's when it gets dicey. Oh boy.

Yeah. And they even said that like you would get in country briefs like, hey, these are the dangerous plants. These are the dangerous animals. Don't run. Don't do this. You would get a brief, a safety brief. Do any of you have a weapon on you? No. So they're not carrying, like,

I know why you can't because you're in the show surviving, but like, you don't have guys with you carrying a weapon? There was, in South Africa, there was a guy, he wasn't around all the time. He had a rifle with him. He had a 458 Magnum with him, rifle, like an L4. But he had a rifle with him he had a 458 magnum with a rifle like an elephant but he could only be with one person at one time and he was only there certain days and but anyway yeah he had a fucking spear like oh yeah yeah good cool right you and paul rosely doing this shit without a gun yeah so so dude this this female lion sees me because i was walking in the front. We're walking down this trail, and there was Derek and Bert. And, you know, we're looking. No big deal.

It was probably 30 yards away. She was laying under a tree. The two of them were laying under a tree. And she gets up, and we're kind of just still walking and slowed our pace down. And I am not kidding you, dude. I don't think I could have got, if I had a rifle slung, I don't even think I could have got it up in time to take a shot. But that cat closed the distance between where she was and me within probably 15 feet.

You're right on top of her now. Dude, my adrenaline kicked in. Let me tell you what I saw. I saw her pupils dilate like that. No bullshit. I saw the hair on the back of its back going the opposite way, like a cat hair standing up, like it was pissed off. And I remember seeing its paws hitting the ground in slow motion and its claws and seeing the sand going up like it was pissed off and i remember seeing its paws hitting the ground slow motion and its claws and seeing the sand going up like like total adrenaline dump like that just looking at

me is the camera on no he and so oh i did i know i remember derrick or somebody saying joe don't move and i'm like okay you couldn't have pulled a grease toothpick out of my ass dude like i was like terrified and i remember just looking at me like this i'm thinking holy shit i'm i'm about to get eaten alive by a line like this is gonna suck and i don't know how long that lasted maybe 15 seconds i honestly don't know because just like that yep just looking at me like this not moving and literally at this kind of length um maybe from that wall to that wall yeah about that close and let me tell you those animals are bigger than they look in zoos okay they're freaking huge and so and then she just kind of like kept her eye on me

and just kind of like walked like kind of like go ahead and fuck around a little bit more and see what happens like literally that's what she was saying to me you need to leave and and we just slowly walked away yeah dude look look at that I started shaking when I think about it. It was horrifically scary. Horrifically scary. Dude, you're talking about an apex predator. You have zero chance. No shot.

None. Nada. It would have killed all of us if it wanted to. You know what I mean? So that was one. I almost died seven times on that show. Seven. We even with the safety crews there.

That's the other thing. So in this one, you only have the cameraman and the sound guy in the middle of Kruger National Park. Yes, sir. Yeah. I don't like their insurance setup here. It was pretty crazy. And then got charged by an elephant. In the same park?

In Namibia. Yeah. You got charged by an elephant. Didn't same park? In Namibia. Yeah. You got charged by an elephant. Didn't even see it. No joke, dude. Didn't even. Like, how the fuck do you know I've seen an elephant? I didn't see it.

The trees are gray. It was gray. And it was just, dude, it went out of nowhere. You can't hear it? No, I did. And that's what I heard. It was crazy. I heard like trees and branches getting knocked out.

Yep. That's's what I heard. It was crazy. I heard like trees and branches getting knocked out. Yep, that's exactly what I heard. I look, and there's this big elephant with its ears all the way out. Dude, and that's what they're telling you. They're pissed when they put their ears out like that. I learned a lot of shit about animals. They shake them. And dude, it was fucking hitting the ground with its, dude, it was, it scared the shit out of me. How close was that?

20 yards, maybe. And again, elephants look big on TV until you're looking at one and you're like, oh, Jesus. I love elephants. It's like my favorite animal besides a dog. Beautiful animals. But if you've pissed them off and they think you're a threat, bye-bye. Goodbye. Yeah.

It was torqued. And it was showing all the signs that it was torqued and it was it was showing all the signs that it was torqued and i just didn't move but because your first inclination is to haul ass but all that's gonna do is kick in its predatory gene like that lion it's like a shark done yeah done she's gonna jump all over you and you're done that's fascinating how animals are like that the predators right they respect you if you stay in your ground, but if you run, they just fucking eat you. And they told you to look at the eye, just stare at it and don't move. You were staring at the elephant in the eye.

Oh, dude, no. Yeah, I was looking right at it. But that lion, I literally saw her pupils. Oh, you told me the lion. Like, it was that clear. Like, gold-colored eyes, like gold-copper-colored eyes. Dude, it was crazy as shit. There was a lion

ryan was telling me this story there was a lion in i think it was in kruger and it was one of the people that he works with on some stuff who does like i don't know if it's lion training i forget the exact details but essentially they were they were in an enclosed area with a lion that they do like work with, right? So it's not just like a pure wild lion or something. And they're talking. They're chilling with the lion. It's supposed to be all cool like it always is.

And then suddenly there's silence. And the woman is standing on the other side of the lion and she's looking right at the other guy. And he's like, what's wrong? And she looks down and the lion had her arm in its mouth and was not doing anything yet but it was clamped and she couldn't move it and degloved her took all the skin right off like that dude they're wild animals yeah they are and you know what's crazy i don't care how bad you train them they're freaking wild animals. Yeah, they are. And you know what's crazy? I don't care how bad you train them. They're freaking wild animals, dude.

An animal that size, right? And of that power. We think of like the lion of the jungle, right? Like when you think of elephants, elephants live a long time. Lions' lifespans are like, I want to say, we can look this up, Alessi, but like 14 to 16 years. They don't live. They have like a dog type lifespan. Right. But when they live, they only live for one thing, the next meal.

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dude it would be scary at night we'd go to sleep and you would hear these things hunting and like killing gazelles and it sounded like a woman screaming like oh and that's like right there you know like it was yeah try sleeping in that place. You literally sleep with like one eye open. Yeah, where would you, like in Kruger National Park, when you're doing that, you're there for say seven days. Like how would you set up camp to sleep? Dude, I slept in a Arcadia bush once. A what?

It was like this, I think it was an Arcadia bush. It's these giant, giant ass fucking thorns on them about that big that will literally go through your boot. And I hollowed it out. I hope I get that right. Arcadia. Anyway, I slept inside of it. Cody slept in a tree. He's walking, I know.

And, but these things were dangerous because they would lose their limbs and you'd be walking. It was like literally like a spike. There's a lot of Arcadia, as it looks like. Should I just do Kruger National Park? Yeah, I hope I'm getting that right, dude. But it's just a very nondescript looking... Not that. No, no, no.

Those are the common trees there. Yeah, it's just a very nondescript looking. Not that. No, no, no. Those are the common trees there. Yeah, it's a common tree. But it was a round type bush. It just had these gigantic thorns on them. And I mean, they were like three inches long and they didn't bend. How well do you sleep when you do this kind of thing? You don't. I was going to say, like, do you even get any like REM sleep whatsoever?

Well, some places you do. Like, dude, some places if you're comfortable and you're not wet and you got a fire going, you're like, right? Yeah. But they're knowing that there's predatory animals

out there hunting and, you know, all night long and you're in the food chain. Yeah. You know? Hold on one second. I just got to go to the bathroom real quick, but we'll be right back.

Yep. All right, we're back. That picture you just showed me off air this is side point to what we were just talking about that is i think that might be the worst thing i've ever seen in my life i can't show that on the screen no no i understand but that can you explain to people you just showed me um so they were showing us photos of line attacks And it's a picture of this dude. He's still alive. He's like on a gurney on his hands and this lion

literally ripped his face off. I mean, just had like two eyeballs sticking out from his nose downward going. I don't know how he's alive. I don't know if he died. If people could picture it though, it's as if

there's a giant indentation in his head, if you're looking at me on camera, like a C. And you can still see one eye deep in there, but there's no skin in sight. His mouth is gone. And his tongue's hanging. Yeah. Dude. Yeah, it's pretty bad. And, yeah, that's not the way I want to go.

No. But that was, like I said there there are a few occasions that were like this is it right you know so anyway but before we left off we were talking about like where you would go to find a sleep in a situation like that you were talking about this bush and everything but yeah are you talking with do your does your cameraman and sound guy know anything about this shit or they're just cameramen and sound guys like are you talking with them to get ideas no so you got like they did it very well dude like on the way over there on the plane you would have like a um data sheet and it was very well put together and it had like all the poisonous plants, all the dangerous animals, the temperature, weather, everything, like a, a full scale, like, um, target folder of where you were going.

So you kind of knew like, man, don't touch that shit. Like there was this apple in, um, Papua New Guinea or somewhere we went and it was like, it looked just like an apple. Exactly. Like I ate it. You were dead in like 10 minutes yeah and oh the other thing is if you stood under the tree and if it rained the fucking rain would go on the port and it would burn you like acid i do the bullshit you not man what how does that work man it was called like a deadly apple or something you have to pull it up but But it's some, dude, I'm telling you right now. I'm like, oh, an apple. It even smelled like an apple. But if you ate it, you're done. Game, you game over.

There it is. That's it right there. The deaf apple, world's most dangerous tree. Whoa. Yep. Good luck with that one. Yeah. But again.

Paul was telling me some shit in the Amazon. There's like one bug that you get bit by on the lip and you don't even know it in 20 years later you die like there's so much shit they could just kill you randomly i was in ecuador and they briefed us about the insects down there like hey there's a thing down there called a bullet ant oh yeah yeah he talked about this i got i got stung right there i leaned up against a tree and I swore. Dude, it felt like I got shot in the hand. Yep.

It dropped me right to my damn leg. Yeah, it got me right there. I still have a mark from it. Yeah, Paul talks a lot about that. And my hand went. Dude, Mother Nature don't give two shits about you. Let me just tell you, she's an unforgiving bitch. When we're out in the city like this, like you see on wallpaper that's also right behind this wall you forget that man you forget you

have everything taken care right taking care for you there but that's still a dangerous environment too oh it is for different reasons but i'm saying like the mother nature aspect oh my god she don't care yeah you're you're really it's it's unbelievable how close you are to making one decision of adventure that leads to complete and utter awful death you could just go camping but here let me let me say this and this is for people who are listening so people that die in survival situations right it's not the one big oops oops, I walked off a cliff. Okay. Let me tell you how you die in a survival situation. Here's exactly how it goes down. Okay. I want to go hiking this Saturday and I'm going to go to the Uari National Forest and it's in December

and it's cold, but I'm just going to go hiking for an hour and I'm just, you know, I'm just going to wear just a fleece and go for a hike and just be gone for an hour and come back. And I don't tell anybody where I'm going. Mistake number one. I don't tell anybody where I parked. So I get there and I didn't bring any water. Oh, and I didn't, I didn't check the weather. Oh shit. It's supposed to rain at one o'clock. So now I'm in the bush and it starts freezing rain, right? And then I get off the trail and I want to go look at this little waterfall. Now I can't find the trail to get back.

Now the sun went down. Now it's dark. Now you can't find the trail. Now you can't get out. Now you're hyperthermic. That's how it happens. It's not the big oops. It's one little mistake connected to another one to

another one to another one work it's terminal and bam you're done yeah did you have did you have other close encounters though that were that were on the moment like an animal i mean because those are the crazy ones you're 100 right about shark but in a shark a shark it was in the exumas um can we put that on the map matt matt and i were in the water and that was actually some of the worst hypothermia i've ever had it's called warm water hypothermia where you're in water for like 10 hours but it's 80 degrees it feels great until nine hours later and you're you know freaking really oh yeah dude like my skin i was ashing i was yeah i was starting to ash so wait did they force you to like have to go in the water?

Well, no. We were in the water swimming, but it was just one thing after the next. So we got to get the drone in the air. We got to get the boats. And it was just stop right there. Stop. We got to get a, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Oh, is this where they did Fire Festival?

Yes. Oh, it is. So, dude, what happened was. Some people didn't survive Billy Mc mcfarland down there oh lord but what happened was they wanted to back this episode up the shark week so they're so everybody's in boats matt and i are in the water and so oh my god they're like hey where's all the sharks at and we were swimming from one island to another it was a pretty long haul and we had masks on and i had a paddle and i'm looking

and you could see sharks on the bottom not a big deal they were just like they're all on the bottom big deal what but it wasn't if you if you know how a shark swims as long as it's not darting and doing all that shit then it's a problem but if they're just swimming like this dude it's not the first time you get in the water with sharks it's kind of frightening but after you start getting comfortable it's like all right it doesn't give two shits about me well they're like hey guys stop right there and matt and i are out there treading water and i hear this splash and i look and they threw a bunch of chum in the water oh a bunch of what chum fish parts and guts and shit and i'm like why did they Because they wanted to get the sharks closer to us.

And so they're like, Hey, get out. I would have killed these guys. Oh dude. That was, that was a deal ender. That was a deal ender right there.

But anyway, that's a whole nother story. No, keep going. Let's hear it. So anyway, they're like, Hey,

don't get in the, don't get in the, you know, don't get in the shot. Don't, don't let the chum get in a shot. And dude, within five minutes,

five minutes, maybe we had a dozen sharks swimming around us like this tigers no they were like sand sharks blue tips stuff like that but then somebody on the boat goes hey joe i just saw a really big fin in front of you and i'm like oh fuck and so i had a mask on and i look underwater and i'm like i don't see anything i felt like dude you ever seen richard dreyfus on jaws when he's in the fucking shark tank bro that's exactly what i felt like and all of a sudden i see this little like silver dot and i'm looking i'm looking real big and i'm getting uh-oh yeah and it was about a 14 foot tiger shark oh and so and this son of a bitch was coming right at me dude i am not kidding i i they actually got a couple shots with a gopro i think it might be on the show of the sharks getting close to us but i end up hitting the

shark and it took a bite like i have it on my wall my house in my house. It has teeth marks in it. Of the paddle? Yeah. It was a collapsible paddle, one of those metal ones. At this point, are you still underwater? No, I was treading water, and I had it like this. I just put it all the way out. I put it all the way out, and I was going like this, dude. Look.

Oh, my God. Yeah. Fuck that. All right, so they get away. You get back to the boat now. No, we swam to the southern, we swam to the Southern Island. They stayed in the boat. Wait, wait.

They're not letting you on the boat? There's fucking sharks coming to eat you? No. We just kept swimming. Wait, what do you mean? What do you mean no? Dude, they kept filming. I don't know what to tell you.

What the fuck? I would have been like, get that fucking boat over here. Oh, dude. I wasn't happy. Neither was Matt. But that was like the end of the, that was the end of the show for us like i'm like i remember matt saying to me he's like dude i don't want to do this no more wait who's matt again matt graham okay he was the guy that replaced cody he just and matt isn't it an

absolute joy to work with ultimate professional stud like the guy was in phenomenal shape could swim like a fish run like a deer climb like a spider monkey we just got out of the water and very and matt was very like i never saw the guy get mad one time not once i would and he was just like dude no he just went i just don't want to do this no more i can't believe they they were just dangling you for fucking an instagram post yep oh my god and that was the end of it we went to bolivia after that to the salt Oh my God. And that was the end of it. We went to Bolivia after that, to the salt flats in Bolivia, and that was the end of it. Yeah.

That was it. That was the end of this. Yeah. Yep. That is fucking crazy. Yep. We both left the show. I have only, you know, it's funny.

You see patterns that add up over time and you have different people who don't know each other doing different things who come in here and give different stories over the years. I have only ever heard horror stories about Discovery. They almost ruined my friend Paul Rosalie's life. I'm not going to get into that whole thing, but watch the episodes discussing what they did to him. And it's the reason why until he came on my podcast, no one had really seen him much over the past eight, nine years because of what Discovery did them. My friend James Fox, they fucked him over with some sort of contract on something. I am – there's someone else in there I'm missing.

And now I'm hearing shit like this. It's like, all right, obviously they know how to capture content. And like you said, they were – Oh, they're very good at it. Yeah, yeah. But to do that, dude, especially if I had your skills with hands and weaponry, that would have been a murderous rage. And I also like have, I don't like sharks. So that would have.

Well, I think anybody that has a half a brain would be scared of sharks because they haven't changed in 80 million years. Yeah. Like they're perfect for their environment. There'd be some food for the sharks that night and it wouldn't be me. I'll put it that way. You know what? And again, I'm not here to bash discovery.

I'm not here to bash anybody. I'll do that. Don't worry about it. You know what I mean? But yeah, but I mean, like, I will tell you though, the people that I worked with from original media and Brian, they were all very professional people. Okay. But you got to understand who's paying the bills.

When they say we need a, we need a shark shot, we need a shark, they need a they're gonna get oh no you know i mean and i'm sure they didn't feel like doing that but you just have to understand who's paying who yeah you just gotta understand who's paying who don't imagine if if something happened and you got eaten well nothing would happen the show had been over i mean i my family yeah they'd never be able to live with themselves and they shouldn't i mean that's just like yeah that's so bad. It's a very, dude, I'll tell you, TV, again, I'm just telling you from my tiny little peeking through the veil. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It can be a slimy business. It can be because there's so much fucking money on the table.

Yeah. When I found out, and I did, how much money they were making off of that show and showing it over and over. Just think about it. Do you get royalties on that? No, you do not. You get nothing. No, no royalties. You only get royalties for like movies, music, radio.

You get, every time they replay that, you don't get anything. You think I'd be sitting there talking to you if I was getting fucking royalties? I'd be in the Bahamas, dude. I mean, come on, man. No, I don't, man. I get jacked. That get jack that's good i get jack that's messed up though yeah but i knew that going in though yeah i knew it going in they pay you what's called an episodic fee you shoot an episode you paid but here's the other thing though and here's where they have an argument with that you getting the exposure and the profile you get from that will then allow you to monetize it a ton and i guess this isn't their fault but because

of those fucking assholes who did what they did to you that ended up costing i mean this is the first time you've been public in right years yeah sure you know coming on here i'm just a podcaster they're saying fucking discovery channel you know what i mean oh yeah so you would have if that hadn't happened i'll bet you would have had other major major deals possibly and i hope you can still get them by the way yeah possibly willing to do that yeah possibly i mean i actually have been asked by one other network to do a show and i was just like not interested what was the idea of it was um flipping houses which i've done it was like i just was like i'm not interested nah i mean i'm sure you do a good job but that's yeah i mean i actually flipped houses before i know how to do it but i just was dude i it was not long after what happened to me happened to me and i'm like yeah yeah you have to pay me about a hundred million freaking dollars

to even think about it right have. Have a nice day. Right. What went wrong though with, with Cody on the show? I mean, it's pretty fun. Like if people go on YouTube, you can see the clips of like you guys fighting, but essentially the dichotomy as you laid out is you're the military guy, Mr. Like, let's figure out what we're doing here. He's this kind of hippie, you know, traveler dude. Right. figure out what we're doing here he's this kind of hippie you know traveler dude right and there's i guess the the culmination of it was when you were in a really cold place norway in norway yeah

the two it's fucking hysterical the two you fighting but it obviously it seems like a lot of things built up on and off camera to that like was that from besides the first fake conversation they made you have where they made him try to get you argumentative right which wasn't for the show once you started filming the show did you guys have some issues right away so the first season i was extremely on i wasn't confident and anything i was just learning so when he beat me up i just let him beat me up pretty much i didn't really fight back a whole lot how would he beat you up just like why are you doing that you know just you know comfort and that's what the show is about i mean let me break dude that's that people like to see drama yes and so that's what happened it was two guys having you

know issues out in the woods and so then second season came along and my confidence came around a little bit and so i started fighting back a little bit and then come like, I think it was that season, the end of it. I told him if you show up in Norway, I told him this on the plane. If you show up in my exact words were, if you show up to Norway in shorts,

I'm going to pound you into the ground like a tent peg. So what was his thing? He would just, he would try to do shit basically to be stupid on purpose to show no no no no dude it wasn't stupidity look i cody and i didn't get along obviously but i have respect for what he knows and what he has learned he's literally in the at the top of the top of the food chain when it comes to primitive survival hands down top three in the world hands down wow oh yeah him matt gra Graham and one other guy. And so, um, he has lived a lifestyle of

dressing and walking around barefoot. That's the way he lives in Arizona. And that's the way he was on the show. But the problem was to me showing people that don't know a whole lot about survival, that kind of protocol was crazy. And I said, dude, you're in shorts in Norway. He had like three pairs of socks on like the outer layer. I can't remember the whole, the outer layer freezes, which insulates the center part, which, you know, blah, blah, blah. And anyway, I guess it worked, but the long story short is that's not good protocol. Are you going to tell somebody to go in the snow with shorts on? No.

I'm not going to do it. But that was his brand. And I get branding. I get it. You got a brand. I got a brand. He has a brand. And it just started to get like it was going to critical mass with me.

And I told him, I said, don't show up to Norway like this. I told him that on the plane. What did he say? Why you, he said something like, why would you cause it? Why? What's the problem? And I said, you know, because I think that's very bad survival protocol. Who does that?

And then he said, well, I'm trained. I said, okay, maybe you're trained to do that. Kids watch this show. Yeah. I'm like're trained to do that. Kids watch this show. Yeah, I'm like, come on, dude. Kids watch this show. What happens if some parent calls you and says, hey, my son just lost his feet? Anyway, got into a huge argument, but the long story short is this. What did he say to that?

Bad parenting. Okay. Okay. All right. But the long story short is i understand the whole branding thing i get it and again i respect him for what he knows he's forgotten more about survival shit than i'll ever know but it was just the whole you know i didn't want to be out in the woods i didn't want to be in the desert i wanted to get gone that was my protocol because i knew

every single day that you're out there you're doing this and it's there you'll get to a point of no return you're not dead and of course you're not gonna let us die on the show obviously but well have i picked to differ based on in a real situation that's what's going to happen to you you'll get to a point where you're just going to be kind of like a dying cockroach you won't be able to get up you'll be too dizzy too tired too nauseous too much of this too much of that and you'll just die in place which is a shitty way to go um but um but yeah man i just think you know i just think cody had enough look dude that show was excruciatingly tough to shoot. And I even said

it on some interviews, like, Hey, we are not, we're not shooting, you know, housewives of Atlanta here or some shit. Like we're in extremely austere environments with mother nature at her worst. You know, you can only do a show like that for so long. I was way, way past. I shot more episodes of that show than anybody on the whole eight or nine seasons because after matt and i left they brought in two more guys and then they brought in two more guys and went and then i think two more and it went and so they canceled it and so it's just a brutal show to shoot it's not it, it's not easy. You're in very austere, like, dude, when we were in, uh, it was the, uh, one with the, um, snowmobile. We were in Wyoming.

I can't fucking remember, man, dude. It's so crazy. I have, I've forgotten some of the places I've been to, but it was in Wyoming or or somewhere in the rocky mountains it was 36 below zero without the windshield factor you literally could take water and go like this and it would freeze it'll turn into like ice it was crazy yeah dude it was like how long do you really yeah like yep there it is right there. Yep. Whoa. Yep. Yep, that's it. We completely tore it. You really look like, he doesn't look like he's wearing that much either. Well, dude, we had to, now.

Oh, maybe he is. Yeah. Now, he had layers upon layers. I had, you know, a crypt tech as my hunting outfit. Like, I was. Yeah, you're thick. Yeah. I can see it now and we're at altitude

so like you were dealing with i think we're at like 9 000 feet or something i can't remember and it was cold as hell and you know i mean our beards were frozen um in every little movement dude you had to be so careful that you don't start sweating because if you start sweating that's how you die. Do you know what I mean? You cannot stop sweating. So you've got to strip your clothes off, work a little bit, but it was dude, it was fucking cold, man. It was, and you want to hear something? Dude, I had the worst diarrhea right there. And like, I had to, I had to take my clothes off. I got, I got to go to the bathroom, dude, a couple times. I didn't quite get them off fast enough.

How many people are with you when you're filming this part? We probably had on that episode, let me think, 10. 10, I think it was, maybe. Maybe eight. That one we didn't have a lot because, because dude that was a really grueling one normally we'd have like 12 including an emt or a doctor or a paramedic do you know what i mean but yeah but um you know matt made those like these skis as you can see man it's brilliant he okay are people gonna be able to see this yeah yeah we have it on the third camera right now i don't know if you had it on there a minute ago, Alessi, but we can change that after. So we basically took this snowmobile apart.

I took the treads off. I made snowshoes out of them. Whoa. Yeah, Matt made skis out of the – yeah. Yeah, so it was just like thinking outside the box, like what do you do with all this stuff? I packed it all up, and away we went, and Matt skied down the – it was just like thinking outside the box. Like, what do you do with all this stuff? I packed it all up. And away we went and Matt, Matt skied down. It was really cool. I mean, it worked actually pretty damn well.

He was, he was, and I was walking behind him. What do you have rope tied around your waist? No, I had, I had made like a backpack, you know, but let me tell you what happened, dude. What's really dangerous there is the trees. What will happen is snow was so deep that if you walk close to a tree you'll fall all the way to the base of it whoa and the snow could be eight nine feet deep oh yeah dude it was like they're like do not walk near the trees is that where they dropped you like that was the drop point yes okay so they took us to the top top they show this guy And then the thing just shits the bed.

And they're like, all right, Joe, Matt, come on. That's crazy. Thanks. Where do you sleep during something like that? We made a snow cave and actually it was very warm. Really? Yeah, man. It was warm as hell. Yeah.

How warm? Like what's well, yeah. I've got up to 20. No, no, no. If you make it right. And Matt did Matt build it. I didn't build 20. Yeah, no, no, no, no. If you make it right, and Matt did, Matt built it. I didn't build it. Matt built it.

The way you build those things is very important. Do we have a video of that? See if we can find that video. Yeah, I think they got a picture of Matt making it. And I think they got some IR shots. But anyway, you want to make it so when you go in where you're sleeping, it's higher than where you walk in. Then you make a hole, an air hole, and you make make it very very tight so you don't make it too big so you can um yeah that was the one with cody that was

in norway oh the one in norway where he's wearing the and dude the windchill factor there was just it just sucked it just you know um and i'm toting that damn thing all around like yeah i was just like the fuck is wrong dude the back you people got to go listen to that we can't play the audio because it's copyright the back and forth between you two on this oh and that wasn't even all of it dude that was a very very small part of it yeah here he goes this is you starting to freak out like what the fuck is wrong with you i was well we had to make a shelter because it was getting dark and like he was like literally like hey man we got about an hour and a half because it got dark there very quickly so we made this shelter um the way you lose heat in a cold

environment like that is by two ways convection and conduction the wind blowing on you or laying on the ground that's how you lose heat so you got to be off the ground you put boughs on the ground you take the wind away so you build a wall you're still cold as hell but you can use body heat you know i mean that helps did you get to talk to like scientific experts ahead of doing this show i don't know this is all just figuring out and learning yeah dude let me tell you i've got a notebook at home i'm not kidding i'd love to turn it into a book it's about that thick oh yeah every little nuance dude yeah it of shit that you don't read online bro you gotta make up yeah yeah i i i was thinking about it and it was because that's gold and i'll give it credit to cody and to matt because they're

experts at that stuff and they've done it for so long they have figured out all these little nuances like instead of doing this check this out and like oh shit like would have never thought of that you know what i mean that and it's only by trial and error right because of these guys but we had a skin we built up a wall um you know and the wind i will tell you the wind was honking i mean you can see it i mean look at the snow blowing yeah but you put biles down on the ground so you're not laying on the ground um and uh you put up a wall and uh dude the whole idea is to get to sleep now now how similar is this, though, to what you did, what Matt did when you were in the Rockies, what we're seeing right here with the snow? Yeah.

So, like, see what Cody's doing right there? That's one of those little tidbits. So, after you build this wall, you throw snow up against the cracks, and it seals it. So, instead of the wind blowing through the cracks, it seals it so instead of the wind blowing through the cracks it seals it like mortar whoa there you go there's a perfect example i'd i'd never heard of that never heard of it yeah never heard of it that's great but these guys they're like i said dude i was very very lucky being in ground branch and learning all the tactical shit and all the shooting stuff in the cqb and then you know working with those world-class dudes and then working with these guys i've got i would tell

you right now if when i got on dual survival i would say my survival skills on a one to ten were three and when i left nine i wouldn't say a nine but eight solid seven eight which is like a fucking 18 solid solid seven eight yeah solid seven eight that's amazing um but that's how you get good remember we were talking about that that dude that's how you get good that's how you get where's where was the worst place you were the like losing your mind absolutely bat shit crazy like bad like you would never survive this bad or like like sure whatever the worst was worst experience in the 41 episodes um like as a place obviously i can tell you where you're gonna die for sure the salt flats of bolivia the salt flats of bolivia okay can we pull that up

dude it looks like snow dude there's not even fucking rocks in this desert what desert don't have rock it looks like glass and it's salt for as far as you can see how long were there a week um yeah about a week are there any animals around nothing right nothing you're dead what do you eat you're dead so why didn't you die um well we found some stuff we found some plants um we got out of a bad area yeah that's it right there oh hello let's stick that third camera on the list oh no wait that's not it that's dave canterbury that was that was a guy that but that's what it looks like um that's cody that's theivia no that's the baja desert mexico um but if you type in um uh bolivian salt flats it's a very scary place dude there's nothing there nothing it would be a

god-awful way to die um and i'll tell you another would be a god-awful way to die in the ocean float not in the ocean you can't drink the water dude i can't drink the water i think about floating around at night with sharks around you i would just i i think what that would be i tried i try to think about that scenario all the time and you don't know until you're in it but what i'd like to think is that i'd let myself sink deep enough that i wouldn't be able to get up and i'd just drown yeah which is awful awful way to think about the indianapolis where those guys in World War II that got eaten by sharks, like half the crew got eaten by sharks. Yeah, dude, the USS Indianapolis. What is this?

Oh, dude, you don't know about that? I wish I switched the camera. Dude, this boat in World War II got torpedoed and the crew went in the water. Don't quote me on it. 1,700 dudes went in the water and like 200 came out. The rest got killed by sharks. Eaten alive. Where was this?

The USS Indianapolis. But where? Midway-ish. They were actually on their way to deliver it. Again, don't quote me. So in the Pacific. They were on the way to deliver the Hiroshi Obama. Yeah, and they got sunk.

They were going to deliver it or coming back or something and it's confirmed they were eaten by oh dude google it uss indianapolis yeah see if we can pull this up and read about this oh my god dude but yeah i think about that like you're just floating out in the water i think they're out in the water for like done four or five days until all right pull it up pull it click the page all right let's see first to arrive was an amphibious pby 5a catalina patrol plane flown by lieutenant commander robert adrian marks marks and his flight crew spotted the survivors and dropped life rafts one raft was destroyed by the drop while others were too far away from the exhausted crew against standing orders not to land

in open ocean marks took a vote of his crew against standing orders not to land in open ocean marx took a vote of his crew and decided to land the aircraft in 12 foot swells it was able to maneuver his craft to pick up oh they got 56 survivors dude go to the top and see how many people went in the water hold on space let me just finish this spot space in the plane was limited so marx had men lashed to the wing with parachute cords. His actions rendered the aircraft unflyable. After nightfall, the destroyer escort USS Cecil J. Doyle, the first seven of rescue ships, used its searchlight as a beacon and instilled hope in those still in the water. Cecil Doyle and six other ships picked up the remaining survivors.

After the rescue, Marks' plane was sunk by Cecil Doyle as it could not be recovered. Many of the survivors were injured and all suffered from lack of food and water leading to dehydration and hyponatremia some found rations such as spam and crackers among the debris of the indianapolis exposure to the elements it was tough yeah yeah and shark attacks which some killed themselves while some killed themselves other survivors were found in various states that delirium suffered or suffered from hallucinations only 316 of the 900 men set adrift after the sinking survived two of the rescued survivors died in august 1945 hundreds of sharks were drawn to the wreck by the noise of the explosion and the scent of blood in the water after picking off the dead and the wounded they began attacking survivors the number of blood in the water. After picking off the dead and the wounded, they began attacking survivors.

The number of deaths attributed to sharks ranges from a few dozen to 150. Oh. Do we have a map of where this exactly was, Alessi? If you scroll up? Oh. In between Guam and the Philippines? Yeah, they were on their way.

It had something to do with the bomb, the atomic bomb. They were, what does it say? Sinking rescue. Keep scrolling down just real quick. Said something about the bomb. Keep scrolling down and down. Go up to the top. See if it's in the...

Go up. Oh, there it is. Transporting nuclear weapons. Arriving at Pearl Harbor on 19 July. She faced an unaccompanied... She raced on unaccompanied, delivering the atomic bomb components to Tinian on 26 July. I don't know if that's the same one. I think it's what it is.

But it's the same boat. Indianapolis departed 16 July 1945 within hours of the Trinity test. Oh, it's the... She is the boat duh yeah she set a speed record of 74 and a half hours from san fran to pearl harbor an average speed of 29 well it says 54 kilometers an hour 33 miles an hour arriving at pearl harbor but it wiped them out dude wiped them out wiped the crew out like how did it sink again got torpedoed by by a Jap sub. Pretty sure that's what it was.

I mean, yeah, sinking. I think they got torpedoed. Was struck on our starboard side by two, yeah, torpedoes. Yeah, yeah, Japanese torpedoes. Yeah, submarine. That sucks. Yeah. But anyway, dude, what a horrific way to go.

Oh, my God. Dude, I float not in the water at night. I mean, I don't care who you are. I don't care. Spec op guy, seal, Marsauk, Delta. Like, dude, float not in the ocean at night. It's a pretty fucking shitty. You're in the food chain, dude. Oh, it's lonely.

You know what I mean? Like, I don't. You could ask any guy. If they say it didn't bother them, I think they're lying. Whenever you see, like, you ever see, like, a great white on land flop flopping around or just a bit forget that a great a basic fish on land flopping around they're on our territory now they're helpless yeah flip that around that's what you are in the ocean yeah you're big you're yeah you're just you're big i i mean we had talked about it when i had jamie g of venazo in here for episode 152 he and i were going through back when it happened like that that video in egypt of

the shark attack did you see that that's that's the worst thing i've ever seen you have no chance it is it's like it's like a line you have no chance yeah i mean that thing came back for fifths and sixths yeah yeah fucking brutal yeah anyway that's the kind of shit the kind of situations they put you in. And you just have to think your way out of it. Again, you know, if somebody would have got hurt or like, I need an IV or something, they're not going to let you die. Understand. They're not going to let you die.

Allegedly. Yeah. But it made you really think about, would you be able to survive this? Yeah. Matter of fact, they asked Matt and I one time if a person really got stuck in a situation, what were their chances to be to survival? And Matt said 5% and I said 10. Not good. What was going back to the one in Bolivia though,

the desert, what did you do when you were there? So it was a, the scenario was, I think a car broke down. They were out in the middle. Some photographers drove out in the middle of the salt flat and were taking pictures and their car shit the bed. And so we ended up moving to high ground, scoping out where we're going to move to. We found some mountains in the distance, moved to them, but you had to get out of the salt flats.

There was nothing there. And how long, like how far of a travel was that to get out of there the mountains are probably 12 miles away all right so it's not like a hundred no no no no no no no but there's just nothing nothing it looks like glass glass i had no vegetation nothing glass i mean it's scary like it literally like this is not where you want to freaking be. Human beings aren't supposed to be there. So you got to the mountains though and then it changed. Yeah. The topography changed. Then vegetation changed. Animals.

No, there's no animals, but we were like, you need water. You got to have water there, dude. you you're gonna die in a few days without water there you can go weeks without food as you know right but in a place like that with no water if you you won't be dead in three days but you'll be like yeah kill me yeah what was the longest you went without food on any of these trips wasn't long um yeah you like to eat i mean anything to eat like a frog or like maybe two days something like that a long time yeah it's not as long as two days yeah i mean the longest you went without water um two days that I can't imagine. That hurt. I drank 150 ounces of water a day.

It hurts. You're going to have a, you think a migraine's bad? Dehydration like that. Dude, it was so bad. It felt like you had licked a thousand envelopes. You're like, oh, your tongue is like sticking to the roof of your mouth and shit. Yeah, it sucks. It sucks.

Then add on sunburn. Then add on. I had 212 leech bites from the waist down in Sri Lanka. Leech bites? Yes. How did that happen? I fell. And actually, I caught it on camera.

I was walking, and I fell into this fucking hole, man. It looked like it was shallow. And was walking and I fell into this fucking hole, man. Like I, it looked like it was shallow and it was just a, it was just a hole and it was had a bunch of rotting leaves. I fell in Cody almost got sucked into it too. Anyway, they got me out and I started walking. I'm like, man, something's biting me. Like, and I dropped my pants, dude. I had leeches from my waist down, like 200, I had two, they counted them 212 bites it's disgusting disgusting and there were those little inchworm ones you know i'm talking about you ever see a little inchworm yeah yeah 212 from my waist down how long did that take before any of those

things disappeared um well we got them off they scraped them off i know but like the but dude you're still bleeding yeah dude, you're still bleeding. Yeah. Just remember, you're still bleeding. And I'm walking through the jungle. Like, dude, you can get septic. Oh, because you keep going too. Dude, you get septic.

You can get septic. Like, you get a little scratch, a little scratch in the jungle. It's getting infected because of the heat and the bacteria. You're getting infected. That's why you got to be so careful. Did you do any shit in the Amazon? Yeah. Where'd you go? Ecuador. how was that scary as fuck that's a scary we were on the um amazon river and we built a um balsa i think it was made out of balsa wood raft and we're floating down

the amazon and it just started unraveling like like it was just coming apart because we wrapped it together like you know vines and shit and it was just like and it was starting to get choppy and the thing just started it's just disintegrated and it was right around the bend from these from these freaking uh rapids. Oh, shit. We just, dude, yeah, and we swam to shore, and it just went. You could see this thing go through the rapids. Yeah, down. Oh, yeah, just getting fucking tore up.

Yeah. Oh, and there's piranhas in the water there, and caimans, and saltwater. Anacondas. And anacondas, and freshwater electric eels. Nice. Yeah, shithole. Nice menu there. Shithole. Did you shithole did you run

into any uncontacted tribes no that's good no just like you said surveillance you'd never know what's happening no you never know yeah scary place though there was an ant there too i don't remember the name of it but they they showed us a picture of it they said see this ant right here just like a regular little black ant they said if you get bit once you're okay you get bit four times it'll put you into cardiac arrest yep it's like what the fuck we're supposed to go there with paul and i'm like because he's a wild child man he's like ain't no joke we're gonna live off the good luck you know but he has for the last 19 years. Yeah. I mean, he lives there full time. That's crazy.

But, you know, I'm like, like Jim DiIorio is like, if we're going down, I'm coming loaded. Well, dude, I'll tell you what. I would tell you to do it just for the experience. Yeah. And it'll give you appreciation for how hard it really is because people see it on TV and like, I could do that. I could do that. But you know what? You know what people think about when they think about this stuff when i talk to them because i

even thought this way too you think about it like it's gonna have like a like a scenic trail like a jungle trail like you do at home like when you go for a run no you have to do you have to tear through brush with machetes and shit and that's exhausting oh my god you're sweating your ass off yeah and you're getting eaten alive by mosquitoes and and and yeah everything yeah you ever hear this story of percy faucet oh my god you haven't heard this there's but there's a book by david grant on it i think it's gan or gran i forget sorry if i messed up your name david i want to have david in but it's about one of the greatest explorers to ever live it was later made into a movie called Lost City of Z. And Percy Fawcett was a British explorer who believed that El Dorado, or as he called it, the Lost City of Z, existed.

He studied it vociferously, and he used to do these crazy missions. And he was like you. Everyone else was a pussy if they couldn't keep up. He's like, let's fucking go no excuses and so he did multiple missions into the amazon there was one guy i forget his name a famous explorer from the arctic who the british government like made come along with percy on a trip and he's and they hated each other it was like you and right it was like you and cody kind of and so when he went down there they ended up like leaving him behind and the guy had to get

like taken out of taken out of the jungle and was like cursing the dude's name he ended up dying in the arctic but percy goes down and i want to say it was like 1925 he comes into new york on a boat and then departs on a boat down to the Amazons being covered by all of the newspapers and everything. And what he would do is he'd go out into the jungle and he would – there would be like – I don't really know how this works. But there would be like couriers who would carry back messages somehow like they get to him and get back and forth. So the newspapers were tracking all this and he went in on this trip with his son and his son's best friend who were you know in their 20s and eventually the courier stopped being able to get messages and the last one was at this thing called dead horse camp and he was never found again

but allegedly what they say is that he may have figured out where something was and been eaten up by the uncontacted tribes that we've never even seen or know exist. And there's all kinds of like little conspiracy theories about it, but people are still asking to this day, what happened to Percy Fawcett? This is a scary place. Yeah. I mean, you're, you want to talk about in the middle of nowhere, you're out in the middle of nowhere and that those are that's where

if you get stuck somewhere like that you better be prepared because if not you're not going to survive that's my personal opinion you're just not gonna you're gonna panic oh shit and you're gonna waste energy trying to get out or whatever and go in the wrong direction and you don't just take that tactical pause to like chill you're it's it's scary dude well it was scary and i even had a crew there with me knowing it like we're gonna get out of here and it was still scary yeah yeah but did you ever i mean obviously you're so focused on surviving and getting yourself food and water and you know making it through this week and you have a job to do you're there doing a show but you went to all these wildly different places around the world on how many continents did you go

to? Five? Dude. Five or six? Yeah. Yeah. So you went to all these places around the world. Did you ever get to take a moment to look around and be like, all right, as hard as the situation I'm in right now is this place is fucking immaculate and beautiful like it's unbelievable for sure yeah i mean there there have been places that literally took my breath away like when we went to new zealand we landed in new zealand on the south island that's where they shoot like all the lord of the rings movies i remember getting there and just going like wow breathtaking yeah breathtaking they take they literally take their breath away from me sure i mean mother nature is gorgeous in some places but even there you know fuck around fuck around lay around you know i mean what were you doing there like what

was the scenario it was uh matt and i two hunters went out in the woods they get caught in a landslide lose their rifle and we end up finding a rifle that i used to shoot a stag i had one round left had one round to use um shot a red stag there which is really cool because fucking a license alone is like 15 grand i got to shoot a red stag for free and get paid for it um but yeah beautiful place but again you're out in the middle BFE, man. Like you're, you're out there flapping as beautiful. It is, you know, you got a signal for rescue. You've got to find, you've got to find a way out, you know? Um, but yeah, yeah, that was on the Tempe Island. Yep. And that's, and see, I teach some of this stuff in my wet sea course yeah that was

yep um oh yeah that's new zealand yeah that's what's that what are you pointing uh deer shit fresh deer shit which says there's a deer in the area yeah there were deer everywhere i mean look at that place now how would you hunt in a situation like you don't have a weapon so would you make stuff snares try to snare something try to snare a deer um you know there's a small game there also fish ton of because we were right near water we're literally from where he's standing to where there was water was about 100 yards big lake um but yeah mean, it's Matt got a fire going and, um, but, uh, whoa. Yeah. But see, I teach this kind of stuff in the WETC course that I was telling you about. Um, and you know, not, I don't get too into weeds with it, but I get into some really

cool minutiae stuff about survival like i call it tactical reality like looks great on tv right that ain't reality that's tv right it looks easy but you're looking at a guy no you're looking at a guy there who's an expert the top three in the world what he does you can't replicate what he does no you know and he was i don't think it even looks easy though from my seat i i mean if they make it look like it's easy for them i could see that but i look at this shit i'm like damn i don't know if i'd figure that out yeah everything they do but what's he doing right now he's calling this this red stag and i was like holy shit you could hear it calling back you could actually look i was like oh you

have a weapon i got you had a seven millimeter magnum with one round and um dude you should fast forward to the shot i took it was a freaking badass shot with a rifle um keep going keep going keep going oh right there all right let's go right here yeah right there it's me going in all right so look how thick it is look. Dude, look how thick it is. Look at how thick that is. How many cameramen did you have? One guy, Derek. Yep, just Derek.

So he's getting all these different angles? Yep, yep. Dude, look at this. I mean, I ain't trying to toot my own horn, but I picked a spot about the size. I was talking right there about the size of a loaf of bread to shoot this thing. Whoa, and he's calling it from down here. Yeah, and it turned around. It turned around, and I just got a clip.

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um 70 yards but dude it wasn't how far i was shooting through like shit like this like i had to pick my spot yeah did you get him through the heart oh yeah yeah dude busted it look at that you'll see how point i said boom look at that perfect shot right through the heart wow yeah i mean yeah and you had no bullets left i had one i had one round so after that one you have none left no that was it but we had a lot of food yeah you're set for the week with that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're set for like the next month with that. Yep.

I got some really cool still photos there, dude. They're on my wall at my house in New Zealand. Yeah. But it was a through and through shot with a 7 mag. And what was crazy though, dude, when I shot it, it jumped straight up in the air. And like, damn, I missed. Because after the gun recoil, I thought I, and when it fell, I didn't see it. And I thought I missed.

Because Derek, did you get it? I go, no, I think I missed. Oh, my God. Yeah. What a shot. Yeah. It was, again, not a long shot. But, dude, I had to pick, I had to pick a spot about the size of a loaf of bread it was about

that big and i had to time the shot perfectly so as it turned around as soon as i saw its chest i freaking pulled the trigger and oh yeah look is that a badass hunting camp or what dude look at that dude i got a picture standing what kind of weather is it there? It was nice. It was nice and cool. Maybe like 50? 55, 60, yeah. Beautiful water. Waterfalls everywhere. Very picturesque.

But, oh, dude, that meat was so good. Yeah, it looks it. It looks it. Whoa. Yeah. Look at all that. Yep, yep. Holy shit.

Yep. Did you ever spear something? A fish. Oh, you went spear fishing? A stonefish. One of those poisonous ones. It's got the barbs on its back. If you step on it, you can eat them.

But I speared one. You just cut the barbs off. You can eat it. That seems like it's so hard to learn how to do. Nah. Spearing a fish? Yeah. It wasn't hard.

Matt showed me how to catch how to do. Nah. Spearing a fish? Yeah, it wasn't hard. Because you're going through like an optic. Matt showed me how to catch fish with my bare hands. How did he do it? Underneath, I can't remember where we were. It's a great episode. You put your hands underneath the bank and you feel for the, dude, he showed me how to do it. They actually caught it all on a GoPro. And you put your hand in the front like this and the fish is right there and you kind of tap it

and it runs right in your hand. Dude, I caught a trout like that. No bullshit. A what? A trout. Rainbow trout. About that big. Just by doing this? Yep. Dude, I never saw the technique before in my life. Dude, they've had a GoPro in the water like this.

It's not bullshit. You can actually see how it's done. But, yeah. Dude, I learned a ton off that show i really did um you know um it's just like it yeah this wasn't it that was with cody no that was with cody um but um i learned so much off that show like i said i've got a notebook every time i got on the plane to fly somewhere else, I would – You have to make that book, dude. Yeah.

And it was really cool. That's going to be a – Stuff I never saw on a YouTube channel. I'll tell you that right now. That's going to be a full circle moment making that book for sure. Someday. Someday. How about someday now day?

Well, dude, I'm concentrating on my classes right now. I know you are, but let's get you like a ghostwriter or something you know what i mean yeah it would be it would be good it would be a good book for sure so you so after the shark one that's when you guys were done you did one more shoot and then it was over and then that idiot online started all his shit after that oh it was it was way before that. Oh, this was going on long before. Dude, literally, second episode, that was on. It was out. Whoa.

Yeah. Yeah. It was during the whole. I didn't realize it went that far. Yeah. My timeline was off. Yeah. Yeah.

So you're doing all this shit, dealing with that simultaneously for four years. Dude, it was stupid it was stupid trying to shoot a tv show and that it was just and i was getting no support from discovery like hey that's a personal matter i'm like okay fuck you yeah and i get it i mean i get it you know attorneys and all that fucking bullshit but you know again it was a very hurtful painful time of my life. But I learned a lot from it. I'll tell you that right now. Learned a lot from it. Yeah. You just, you know, life is going to deal you some shitty hands sometimes. And if that hand is dealt to you, you better handle it very quickly and don't be asleep at the switch.

And don't try to be the good Samaritan. And that's what I tried to do and it didn't work. And, you know, but whatever. You're here now. That's right. Everything's good. You're doing your thing. That's right.

Obviously, done some great work in the past. You get to see some of it on video as well now with you actually having done a show. It's not all just the secret from the military and ground branch. But that's how I get people. That's how I get people to train with me now. It's from the show and they come to my WETC course. And I would say 90% of the people that I train know who I am from the show. And then they double that with my background.

They're like, yeah, that'd be a great course to take. And where do people go to JoeTeddy.com? You can go to JoeTeddy.com. You can also go for the WETC course. You can go to SpartanAmericana.com. Okay. We'll put those links in the description. Yeah.

And you can read all about it there. Everything's spelled out for you and what the course is about. And it's not like a bootcamp course where I'm going to smoke you for three days. You don't learn shit from those. And I know people that do them. I think they're a one-off. You know, pay somebody $5,000 to smoke you for three days and you don't learn shit. Like, I don't get it. I'm going to teach you things that you can take back to your family. You know, I'm going to talk to you about travel security. I'm going to teach you things that you can take back to your family. I'm going to talk to you about travel security. I'm going to talk to you about hotel security.

I'm going to talk about survival, how to build a bug out bag, pistol shooting, carbine shooting, how to spot surveillance. Like real hard skills. In a rogue and feral world, that's shit you need to know. Absolutely. I think you do. I'd love to come do that with you need to know absolutely i think you do i'd love to come do that with you at some point yeah things settle down here yeah for sure down there get away for a week and we do it in north carolina yeah uh on a thousand acre camp i keep the location secret uh only the people that attend the course are going to know where it's at um but uh it's

beautiful and you know accommodations are i mean you're not sleeping in a hotel you're sleeping in it but you are sleeping you're not sleeping out in the woods you're sleeping in a small cabin and uh you know and it's long days you know 14 hour days 16 hour days long days you're not getting a lot of sleep but you are getting sleep but i'm cramming a whole lot of information down your throat. And you get a manual, you get 128 page manual that has everything in it. Yeah. And it's all right there and it's hands on that.

I wouldn't sell that is only for my course. Yeah. I wouldn't sell that manual. I've asked people to buy it. I'm like, I ain't selling it. Why? I just want to keep that stuff like kind of on the confidential level. Okay.

You know what I mean? I don't want to be putting some of that stuff out. If you have that manual, feel free to leak it to me. We'll put it on the screen. You fucker. What's the – do you still get – I mean I guess I kind of know the answer to this question. But I would imagine there's still with your particular set of skills, there's still some calls that come in about doing some interesting work around the world. Sure.

What makes you say yes on the occasions that you do to things like that? I can tell you what it's not. It's not the money. Um, it is the risk that's involved. Um, and do I believe in it? You know, I already done my duty, man. I don't, my small contribution I'm happy with. I don't need to prove anything else to myself. I've checked blocks that, uh, quite frankly, I never thought I'd check. So as far as my special operations career goes, I'm good. But yeah, I mean, I I'm more in the training mode right now. I like training people. Um,

I have had opportunities to do other stuff. Some things I have done, done um some things i haven't just because i either i don't believe in it or like that is so in the gray area that if something goes wrong i don't have to deal with the uh the fallout you know i just don't want to deal with it i don't care how much money i want to hear it don't care i I got a good life. I'm happy. I don't need to be doing things right now. In my stage in my life, that's where the outcome could be catastrophic. I don't need that shit. I agree.

I've already done that. Checked that box and I just don't, I just choose not to do it anymore. Yeah. The thing we were talking about earlier off camera i won't say what that was but when you had told me that there was a good chance you were going to be doing that i was thinking that to myself i'm like this is it's not gonna turn out well yeah what you were asked to do is quite literally like one of the most dangerous special ops type things you could possibly be asked to do and i'm like i was thinking myself i'm like i don't know he's gonna come here and then he may be going there i may never see this guy again my ego got the best of me when i first talked to you about it and i'm like oh yeah i

could tell you were excited yeah and then then i started talking to friends and people with, you know, clearer minds, like you really want to do this. Like think about what can go wrong. And I'm like a lot. What's it even for? Yeah. Right. Exactly. That's what it gets back to.

Do I believe in what I'm doing? And the answer there was like, no, it's not that I didn't believe in it. It's just, I know this sounds really shitty, but that's not my problem. Yeah. I agree. I don't believe in it. It's just, I know this sounds really shitty, but that's not my problem. Yeah.

It's, I agree. I don't want to get into the details, but that's not my problem. And, um, did you get approached by someone related to a government with that? Or was that a private? Yes. Okay. Yeah. And I just said, this is, yeah.

And, you know, I hated to bow out, but I just, it just, when you did your, your SWAT analysis, so to speak, that, that scale went like this. It sounded like a suicide mission to me personally when I heard that. I wish I could say what it was, but yeah yeah so um yeah it it was it was um it would have been risky for sure um because that is something where i hate to say that when something like that goes south it's going south all the way yeah you're burying the needle yeah you're done yeah yeah it's not like we can get out of here no you're not getting out of it one way in no you're not getting out have you been asked at any point over the past i guess like a couple it's almost two years now to do anything in the area of the russia ukraine war no good for you no it gets weird like we have mark turner in here talking

about that and you know he was there like right away but it gets weird because it's it's a war where we don't have people on the ground it's like a proxy war but like then if if you're an american you get killed there shit gets interesting dude you know i would be shocked if ground branch wasn't there like day one oh yeah they were there before that whole thing even kicked off yes that's different guaranteed that's different yeah yeah yeah but to go over there was a is and i and dude i actually know somebody went over there to the fight uh former marine you know good on him um but you know be careful what you ask for yes that's just like i was told in ground branch this guy said you know this place is like an onion the more you peel it the more you're gonna cry and i'm like oh wow i didn't realize what he meant at that point but not long later i was like i get it i get it now you know just

be careful what you ask for you might just get it yeah man did did you have any interactions in your career at not interactions did you have any situations where you had russia on the other side of a deal you were working on a mission you were working on no okay interesting nope okay um you'd be surprised again well i'm not going to divulge where but you'd be surprised the places if i say oh here and like really like yeah you know like yeah there's there's bad people there or they've gone there thinking they're gonna escape out of the limelight then you showed up and there's no escape as long as they can track you you know and there's a bunch of ways to do that but yeah you'd be surprised some of the places these individuals go to thinking they're

safe and that organization has a a world charter they don't they're not just geographically located like we only operate in you know we only operate in south south america no they're that unit can go anywhere they want yeah it's It's not like a special ops, a special forces team where each one's like geographically. Yes. Seventh group is South America. You go where it is. Right. Yeah.

You go, you're going to go wherever the issue's at. I kind of wondered why you guys weren't the ones who took down like bin Laden. What I understood, it was on the table. Yeah. It was. And again, I wasn't privy to all that stuff, but I heard it was on the table um yeah it was and again i wasn't privy to all that stuff but i heard it was on the table they had several options um someone even and i don't know how true this is dude this may be complete but they were even thinking about using a singleton to have that done one person to go into that compound yes i don't know how true it is but was it jason fucking born better been but you know did you ever hunt him who were you like

you're talking about the end mission but in the years in the 10 years building up to that was there ever a moment where you and you can blink twice to say yes if that's what you got to do was there ever a moment where you were a part of a team that was trying to hunt down where he was? Not, I mean, they were constantly looking for him. Yeah. Have I gone to a target where they thought he was? Yes. And he wasn't there.

Whoa. How long, like approximately how long before they actually got him was that a long time um four years that's not that long okay when you said long time i was thinking like four or five years when we first went no i wasn't in toro borna but he was there supposedly yeah i wasn't you know they bombed the shit out of that place but yeah were you anywhere near the right spot when you went looking no okay what made you what made you guys um and don't divulge what you can't divulge what what made you guys think he was there intel yeah and that's and that's why the intel got a

little tighter and you had to have humanment, SIGINT, PID. Like, they're like, we ain't just going off a cell phone. Or we ain't just going off, we think this guy was seen here. That is what sets you off on rabbit holes. You go to a place, ain't even fucking here. Like, matter of fact, there ain't nobody here. You know? Like, it's an empty compound.

But yeah, I mean, of course, I mean, that was the number one target while we were there and, and we actually had a very unique infill platform. I'm not going to get into it, but it was going to be used one time and it was, it was, um, it was in a warehouse, so to speak, covered, couldn't see it. I'm sorry, what do you mean without going into details? What do you mean by infill platform? A way we were going to get there. Oh, okay.

The way we were going to get there. And they called it like a silver bullet. And I'm not going to get into the whole detail, but it was ingenious an ingenious ingenious piece of um equipment what the fuck i was going to call it but it was it was never going to be used except to um if a certain type of target showed up that's what we were going to use yeah and it's a sat there it sat there and sat there and sat there. It was covered up. I'm trying to picture what this is right now.

My mind's running wild. You'll never guess. I ain't going to tell you. Yeah, I know. To be honest, very simple. Very simple. Nothing like, yeah, man, like simplicity at its finest. What did you think of when we got them?

How good was that mission? Was that one of the best pull-offs you've ever seen well dude here's what here's what i'll tell you first off seal team six did a great job um but i guarantee if you had one of those guys here right now like it was another target like they'd done it hundreds and hundreds of times except ben laden was there what saved the day there was the pilot yeah they crashed the helicopter because let me tell you something right now if half their assault force which i understand i think they had two chalks i think wasn't there if you just lost half your assault force on one helicopter dude that's mission abort criteria like you're in a world of shit that guy whoever that pilot was

he should have got a fucking Navy Cross. He might have. Yeah. But if he would have crashed that bird in a way that injured the assaulters inside of it, dude, that mission was done. But he didn't. Dude, because he's a Task Force 160 badass. Best pilots in the world. I'll say.

Yeah. Fuck yeah. And he saved the day. That guy was the hero of that mission. Nobody else. It's amazing. Yeah. Fuck yeah. And he saved the day. That guy was the hero of that mission. Nobody else. It's amazing. Yeah. I mean, you know, whoever, you know, the guy that shot him, you know, or people that shot him, that's their job.

Yeah. They've done it hundreds of times. They're experts at it. country big air quotes there in the middle of the night went into this compound killed everyone in sight that put up resistance got this guy got the body out of there crashed a bird on the way in still got everyone the fuck out didn't take any casualties yeah i think a couple guys got hurt but i'm not bad no one died you know no one lost a limb as far as i know that's the investment that is made by our military in those kind of units right that's the payoff right that's the matter of fact i think i heard a quote or in a book or somewhere where admiral mcraven who was i think it was a jsoc commander

at the time i may be wrong but he was in charge of the mission they i remember somebody saying he just said to the pilots just get my guys on the ground they'll take care of it like dude you know what kind of confidence that is crazy just get my guys on the ground they got it and they would that's the kind of confidence you have in those units dude they're that good i've worked with them they're that fucking good it's amazing because that's all they do when you concentrate on one job right and you can get and you have a lot of money and those units have a lot of money just like where i came from they have stupid money you can get really good at what you do and you just do it over and over and over it was just

another mission for him i'm not trying to take anything away from him but i guarantee it's yeah it was another mission ben laden was there and yeah yeah, no big deal. Got him. Yeah, no big deal. But the big deal is that that pilot saved the day. Wow. And they immediately shifted gears. I mean, you can train up to a point and rehearse all you want, but they didn't miss a beat. And that's the payoff for units like that, dude. That were a normal, conventional, vanilla, soft unit.

That would have been a big deal. They probably would have worked their way through it, but not at their training and a testament to um of uh working to that level of excellence where you're doing it about as perfect as you can yeah you know i mean and they did and it was an amazing mission yeah it was it was awesome to at least finally get the guy but listen joe we got to get you on your flight gotta get you out of here i'm gonna be walking home, dude. Thank you so much, as always, at this point, for coming back to do this. My pleasure.

Once again, we are going to do this again. I can't wait to talk to Dale, so thanks for hooking that up as well. Yeah, man. But we will put the links to JoeTedEye.com and the other one you gave me down in the description. So if you want to do any of the classes that Joe does, which look fucking awesome, as I said, I'm going to do that at some point. Go do that. Go sign up there. Talk to him.

Joe's the man off camera, just like he is on camera. And anything else to add? Thank you. All right. Everybody else, you know what it is. Give it a thought. Get back to me. Peace.

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