Julian Dorey Podcast - 😳 [VIDEO] - Navy SEAL Exposes Most DANGEROUS Worldwide Black Market | Remi Adeleke • #158

Episode Date: September 11, 2023

- Julian Dorey Podcast MERCH: https://legacy.23point5.com/creator/Julian-Dorey-9826?tab=Featured - Support Our Show on PATREON: https://www.patreon.com/JulianDorey  (***TIMESTAMPS in description below) ~ Remi Adeleke is a Navy SEAL, Author, Director, and Actor. After immigrating from Nigeria to The Bronx, NY as a young child, Remi later went on to have a long career in the Navy SEALs as a Human Intelligence Specialist. Post-SEALs, he has acted in Hollywood, Directed films, and written two books. His latest, “Chameleon,” is on sale now. Buy Remi’s NEW Book, “Chameleon”: https://bitly.ws/Ui3k  Remi’s Autobiography: https://bitly.ws/Ui3y  Remi's Movie: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xUwS39mFs0&pp=ygUUdGhlIHVuZXhwZWN0ZWQgbW92aWU%3D ***TIMESTAMPS*** 0:00 - Remi’s new book, “Chameleon” 2:36 - How Remi got into working in HT 8:14 - Poverty’s role in HT; VICE Story on Kidneys in China 10:17 - How 0rgan Mkt works internationally (*3 STORIES*) 17:10 - Forced Unwitting participants; Social Media’s role in HT & OH 20:11 - The girl abducted at a Mavs game; The tragic story of kid duped by Nigerian Scammers 26:37 - A horrific sight Remi witnessed in South America 32:28 - Remi’s film on OH, “The Unexpected” 36:05 - Crazy Conspiracies are a problem in fighting HT 41:28 - Cairo Egypt is OH capital of the world 47:11 - Doctors & Nurses at center of OH Trade 52:47 - Why can’t government track illegal 0rgan Transplants? 58:04 - How do we stop HT & OH? 1:02:34 - How to spot HT signs; The Most psychotic brainwasher of modern times 1:07:33 - White House HT Consultant’s own grandfather had done it to her ~ Get $150 Off The Eight Sleep Pod Pro Mattress / Mattress Cover (USING CODE: “JULIANDOREY”): https://eight-sleep.ioym.net/trendifier Julian's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/julianddorey ~ Music via Artlist.io ~ Julian Dorey Podcast Episode 158 - Remi Adeleke Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hey guys, Remy and I have a brand new episode for you today where he is going to take us inside the most dangerous worldwide black markets that he's encountered in his work since retiring from the Navy SEALs. So thank you for giving this episode a click and if you haven't already, please follow the show so that you don't miss any future episodes and leave a five-star review. Thank you. She goes down to DR, gets the procedure done, wakes up. She's fine. Flies back to the States. She's not feeling right.

Just like, man, why am I not? Why am I feeling fatigued? Feeling lightheaded? Why am I not feeling right? She goes to the doctor. Doctor runs all of these tests on her. And he's like, yeah, something's going on. I can't pinpoint it.

Takes an MRI. Comes back. He's like, you know you only have one kidney. And then the light went off in her head. He took my kidney. Who was it that took her kidney? It was a doctor Remy Adelake. Yo. Welcome to the studio, brother. Thank you for coming in here so short notice.

All good. Thank you for having me, my brother. So, dude, you got a little book tour going on here? Something like that. Is that what's happening? A little bit of everything. I'm always torn with a bunch of bags and things in my bag. What's this about?

I say it's a fictional extension of my memoir, Transformed. You know, I have my background. I'm sure we'll get into it but my background is in human intelligence but then i also have a background in nigeria i was born in nigeria had a had a tough uh tough upbringing after i left nigeria after my dad died came to the state so it's very loosely based off of uh my life it's all of the stuff that uh that i wish i could have done at the highest levels in the in the agency um but you know still based off some of the human stuff that i was able to do did you have to get the stuff you

wrote in this one in this fictional one cleared through dod yeah you can send this shit send every book man yeah every book yeah yeah they don't fuck around with that shit they're trying to get caught up but they might have been reading in they're like oh wait so the main character is a nigerian, came to America. Wait a minute. This looks a little familiar right here. Yeah, man. Yeah, yeah.

Very similar. All right. Well, I'm looking forward to digging into it. But I want to talk about you today and your life and what you did and what you've been doing since the Navy SEALs as well. I know you've done a ton of work with human trafficking. You made an amazing short film it was like a 35 minute film called the unexpected which is how i found you because i watched that back and i think january it was okay and that what i love how you did it but taking it backwards of like the whole

quote-unquote supply chain of how you know someone buys an illegal organ for a transplant it was it was sickening to watch but you were telling me just now off cam you have that being picked up to do a full movie on it too yep it's already been picked up by uh g base which is gerard butler's production company oh wow and alan siegel um and we already got financing from uh from uh um mike rabawi and his his financing team and we already started casting so it's going to be it's going to be a big movie man and we're going to really be, so it's going to be a big movie, man. And we're going to really be able to.

It's going to be an action thriller because, you know, you got to put the pill in the cake, right? You know. You got to put the pill in the cake? Put the pill in the cake. You know, kids don't like medication. They don't like medicine. So how do you get them to take medicine?

Sometimes you put the pill in it. And it is a tough topic, but it's a very educational topic. And so, you know, I'm addressing it. It's an action thriller, but at the same time, we are going to be, you know, educating on the realities of organ harvesting, the statistics, how it happens, and so on and so forth. So people don't just get entertained, but they get something out of the film. They walk away having learned something about organ harvesting, because there's not a lot of entities or organizations that focus on organ

harvesting um a lot of people focus on sex trafficking but not on the organ harvesting side of things so to film help with that yeah it's not something like you hear all about human trafficking that's people are talking about that on social media all the time but you don't really hear about like organ harvesting which is it's another form of it i mean it's just a part of it but how did you get like did you is this something you were exposed to during your career as a Navy SEAL? Or is this more it came up because obviously you're a Navy SEAL, highly trained to be able to learn about things. And you were asked to come in and help with this stuff. Well, I'll say when I got out of the military, I didn't even know what the word human trafficking meant, which is interesting.

But when I was in, I want to say that I was exposed to different, a different form of it. You know, I remember gathering intelligence on a guy that we were going after. And my source informed me that he has like three or four wives. And his oldest wife was like 17. His he had just taken on a new wife, his wife was 12 and said and so you know to me that's i mean his of course i don't know if he took the girls as his as his as his wives or if the parents sold these young girls to him um he had like a 13 or 14 year old wife that was pregnant and this guy's like in his mid mid mid mid 30s right So, again, at the time, it was just like, hey, this is somewhat part of the culture or what, you know, this specific, these specific bad guys or group does. But I didn't add the tag human trafficking because I didn't know what human trafficking was.

It wasn't until I got out and then I got contacted by a few different human trafficking nonprofits to come help and volunteer in different ways. Then I learned. I mean, the first trip I went on was up to Sacramento. And I was helping out with a human trafficking nonprofit up there. This lady reached out to me. She was like, I heard your story. And I run this human trafficking nonprofit in Sacramento. We have a huge issue with a lot of kids and women and and and people coming from mexico and and making their

way getting up getting up here and being promised it specifically though like sex trafficking all sex yeah it was specifically specifically sex trafficking and that's when i learned i was like well what is human trafficking she explained it to me and i was like yo sign me up so i went up there and yeah man that was my first exposure to it and that's when she really began to show me more about it. And then interestingly, then I began to have other nonprofits not connected to her at all, like reach out to me, you know, say, hey, can you even if it's something as little as a fundraiser, can you Y, and Z and donating some time, you know, to, you know, speaking to victims of who were trafficked? And so it was like a plethora of different things. And that's kind of how I learned all about it.

Are you allowed to talk about, like, somewhat specifically what you did on that first one, say, in Sacramento when you went up there? Yeah. So part of it was going up. one, part of it was raising money. So I spoke in front of a group that was going to donate some money to this specific human trafficking nonprofit. And two, she took me around the city to some aftercare clinics. They call it, I don't even want to call it aftercare clinic, but aftercare sanctuaries where I got to kind of sit with traffic victims and hear their stories and try to bring some form of comfort to them and and so on and so forth. It didn't involve me going after anybody or anything like that or going. But but and then also we partner with the police as well.

So the police were part of it. So she was she's really educated on the human trafficking piece so um she was i went with her to like you know a police station or whatever the case may be so that she can give a class and talk about it and then so and then also she was able to share statistics with me well she was sharing it with the police but i was there and directly share with me like here's what's going on in sacramento here's how many kids are being trafficked here's how much money some of these guys are bringing in here's the areas in Sacramento that you guys need to be more aware of so it was really all of that so it wasn't the actual me going to kick it down the door or anything doing anything like that was

there across like the different victims you spoke with was there a common story I mean you said they were all sex trafficking victims but was there some sort of like common thread that tied them all together? Poverty. Poverty. was promised some type of sanctuary in Sacramento. And then they got to Sacramento and was trafficked or whether it was, you know, victims who were born and raised in Sacramento and maybe a family member, you know, pimped them out or didn't do whatever they did.

And yeah. And so the common thread was, these were all people who came from a very, very poor background. And so they were easily manipulated. These were people that were essentially they were targets and that's what across the board when you look at when you look at different forms of human trafficking the traffickers are always looking for the most vulnerable people and one of

the key ways in my opinion one of the ways to get rid of which we'll never get rid of as long as there's human beings we're never going to get rid of human trafficking but the one of the ways to combat it is to first combat poverty as much as we can. You know what I mean? Because that's where, I mean, case in point, Vice did a whole story on this down in Mexico and they were following an actual organ harvesting trafficker. They were following this guy.

He had a mask on, goggles and all these, you know, to hide his disguise. And he was going up to people on the street, like poor people, like people hanging out. I said, hey, are you in good health? Yeah, I'm in good health. How are you looking on money? You know, I'm not in a good way when it comes to money.

You want to make some money? Yeah, I'd like to make some money. What is it going to require? How's your kidney? You can get X amount of dollars for a kidney. Really? It's all on YouTube. People could kind kind of google just google vice and organ harvesting and the film will pop up now that example you give right there though is a kidney right so hypothetically that guy can still go in he'll survive he'll give a kidney that's

crazy shouldn't happen but to be clear like that's not what your film was showing yeah yeah yeah can we talk about that? Can you just go through the premise there and what you showed? Because I'd love to dig into how prevalent this is, stats you know. So let's just start there. Yeah, so let me just talk about the different forms of organ harvesting as it relates to how victims are got. You have the example that I just shared where you have the winning participant, of the winning participant the person who's poor down and out this is this is uh well known in cairo egypt is considered to be the organ harvesting capital of the world because you have a

lot of migrants from different parts of africa that are trying to cross the mediterranean and get into europe or even getting to jordan and getting to other parts so that they can have a better life and so they end up getting stuck in Egypt. And then they get approached by traffickers who are like, hey, I know you're poor. I know you're trying to get out of this particular situation. I can give you $1,000 or I can give you – I'm just throwing out a random number. I'm saying that's not the exact number. I can give you $800 if you sell us a kidney. Some of this is done via social media.

Some of this is done on websites. But that's essentially – that's like more so the winning participant. Another example of that is a story that just came out two months ago, three months ago. This Nigerian guy was approached by a senator, a Nigerian senator and his wife who has who had and still has a sick daughter who needs a new kidney. They have a prop. They live in London. So I believe they had dual citizenship. They have citizenship in London. They also a prop. They live in London. So I believe they had dual citizenship. They have citizenship in London. They also had citizenship in Nigeria. They essentially told this guy, we'll give you $7,000 if you come up here to the UK. He gets up to the UK. They say, hey, you need to go to this hospital and get this checkup and tell him that you're going to be

giving a kidney. And so he goes there and he starts to process and what the uh person that was interviewing this this guy noticed that there was something particularly off and he was because he was he they once he got there that's when they told him what was going to happen so that's when they begin to shift from winning i already gave those winning examples to like sort of duping, right? Yes, of course. Tricking, so to speak, right? And so he gets there and he essentially confesses that these two Nigerians got me up here. And the case, they just got prosecuted like two months ago.

This was in the UK, you said? This was in the UK. Nigerian senator and his wife organ harvesting. If you just Google that, that'll pop up. Nigerian senator, wife jailed in UK for organ harvest. There it is. Yeah. And so, yeah.

And so that's the dupe. Now, I'll give another example of the dupe before I get to the forest because I want people to understand that there's different levels to this. Actually, let me give one more because this is something you could also look up on open source before i get get give another example of the dupe the winning there was a story out of costa rica in 2000 and i want to say 2016 2017 is an israeli doctor moved from israel to uh costa rica and he was brokering kidney deals down in costa rica uh so if an is an Israeli or even somebody from a different, you know, part of the West needed a kidney, they would reach out to him. He would go up to a poor person,

offer them some money and they would willingly give it up. So you got the winning, you got the dupe. Another example of the dupe is there was in 2018, there was a woman in New Delhi, another big story. This was international news. She was in, she was, she was in 2018 there was a woman in new daily again another big story this was international news um she was in she was she was in india she received a message from somebody in new delhi saying hey i got a new i got a job for you um obviously we know the caste system is something that's very very prevalent in in india and so this for people that don't know can you just give them

yeah so the caste system is essentially it's it's these different tiers of uh class class essentially it's you you have like very very poor bottom of the bottom poor right then you have poor then you have yeah poor poor then you have poor then you have you know uh you know middle class but every middle class and you have rich for the most part right and they literally like don't associate with each other lower like there's like laws you can't marry into uh somebody from a different cast well i don't know if it i can't remember if it's laws i just know that it's more so forbidden like your family will disown you if somebody from a rich class you know goes down tear down into him tries to marry somebody in a poor or lower cast right and. And so she was in a very low caste. And so she got this email, hey, there's a job opportunity for you in New Delhi.

All you got to do is just come up here. We'll pay for your travel. Just get up here. They pay for a travel guide. The employer, excuse me, I say that in air quotes, says to her, all right, you just need to go get a medical exam tomorrow. Once you get this medical exam, that'll clear you and you can start your work. She goes to the clinic, starts her medical

procedure, medical exam, excuse me. And she gets undressed before she starts the exam. And the nurse leaves the room so that she can get undressed. She overheard the nurse in the other room say to the doctor, this woman is giving these organs. and that's what saved her life essentially she got up got dressed ran out of the clinic because it's known but i mean organ harvesting is a big thing in india as well and so it's something that's known it's something that's like they they know what's going on so so she uh ran to the authorities uh alerted them. They said organs. Organs, yeah. So she was going to die.

Yeah, she was going to die. Well, I can't recall the story. I know for a fact that they were taking at least one organ. That's what I know. That's what I know for a fact. I can't remember if it was a kidney or what, but I know that they were taking an organ. I don't want to say organs. Again, this story is not fresh in my mind.

It could have been multiple organs, but I know at a minimum it was an organ. Again, this is something you could pull up on Google because it was an international store. Just Google New Delhi organ harvesting ring busted or something like that. Because I think that she played a role in that organ harvesting ring getting uh I think that might be it it was a multi yeah I think yeah it might be because it was 2016 they uncovered a multi-million dollar organ harvesting ring yeah police in New Delhi have made a number of arrests in connection with a suspected organ harvesting scheme operating out of one of the city's most prestigious private hospitals five people remain in custody after being arrested for illegally trading human kidneys yeah it's from cnn back in 2016 i guess that might have been it um there's a bunch of stories out there yeah yeah

and so that's the person that was duped that's the person that was told hey come here and i'll i'll give you this you know what i? And then it's a bait and switch. It's not, I'm coming to this place and getting a job. It's like, I'm coming to this place and I'm losing an organ or I'm losing organs. Another example of the dupe, which now I'm going to transition from a dupe to the forced because this is a dupe then a force. There was a story that came out last year, October of 2022, a woman inxico um she's searching for love finds love on the internet on some dating app the guy she finds is in peru he's a med school student she travels out there um um long story short her body parts washed up on a beach um faceless uh faceless head

uh part of her torso When they found her torso, all her organs had been taken out. All her organs had been taken out. This was an international news story. And the guy got caught, catch this, because he was selling her organs. I can't believe if it was on, I can't remember if it was on

social media or some app or the black, he was selling her organs on the black market. And that selling her organs on uh on the black market and that's how he got caught and uh uh and this was in peru and she lost her life because again she was duped in a way but then he got her and he forced her organs out what does the black market for organs look like well like where's that done how's it done is any of it dark web based now at this point i would assume a lot of it is social media. Literally through the socials.

A lot of it is through social. Well, a lot of it is through social media and websites. I'll get to the social media piece. During COVID, we know that statistics found that there was a 22% increase, I want to say, on Facebook of human trafficking recruitment via Instagram or Facebook. I can't remember. Maybe it was both. And then it was like a 30%—no, it was a 22% on Facebook, like a 30% increase on Instagram. Now, how do they define—I mean, it's all bad.

Yeah. But when they're saying human trafficking— They're not divvying it up. They're just saying human trafficking. They're not saying it's all bad. Yeah. When they're saying human trafficking. They're not divvying it up. They're just saying human trafficking. They're not saying it's organ harvesting. It was just human trafficking during COVID. I can't believe like any of the most serious end of that, though, like organ harvesting could ever even occur without a system flagging it right away. Well, no, because people use, I mean, you could create fake accounts, hashtags, you know, different ways to message people.

For example, you know, I think a person who uses social media often takes for granted hashtags, right? In the sense that, oh, I'm going to put a hashtag because I want more people to see my posts. But who are those people that are seeing your posts? So a good example is like somebody who, maybe a parent has a child that's on dialysis and they need a new kidney to survive. And they go to their doctor's appointment and they take a picture of their kid or they take a picture of themselves and it's hashtag dialysis, hashtag bad appointment or good appointment today, hashtag hoping for good appointment today hashtag hoping for a miracle hashtag praying for a miracle whatever all these traffickers search these hashtags oh my god right

as a matter of fact again i know i'm jumping around but no this is great there was a story there was a story that came out two three two years ago actually i think it was either the last dallas mavericks playoff game or the mavericks playoff no it was it was like it wasn't this past playoff season. It was the season before that. This girl, she goes to basketball game Mavericks playoff basketball game with her dad gets up to go use the bathroom. Doesn't come back. Right.

He goes up, tries to find her. She's not there. Game ends. Can't find her. No one can find a long story short. He he told the cops hey listen i think my daughter's been abducted this is not like her to run away cops said hey she's she's just a runaway they wrote it off as a runaway he found a human trafficking non-profit i think this was in

texas and that non-profit search the dark web found her on the dark web she was being sold for sex uh and and um they carried a partner with the local police carried out a sting on this house and found her and and i think it was like two or three of the people that were at the house were at the game how did they find her social media from like they built over they built a relationship with her through social medias when she went to the bathroom she willingly from what i remember just google like look that up dallas mavericks but it was again it was a dupe it wasn't like hey i'm going with you so you can sell me for sex um dallas mavericks human trafficking victim something like

that let's see yeah it's 15 year old girl okay let's click this article this is from a local news station out there police have arrested the man accused of luring a 15-year-old girl. Okay, let's click this article. This is from a local news station out there. Police have arrested the man accused of luring a 15-year-old girl away from a Dallas Mavericks game in April. The teen was ultimately trafficked to Oklahoma City and was forced into prostitution, according to her family's attorney. Dallas police said officers with the U.S. Marshals Task Force arrested 33-year-old Emmanuel Cartagena past thursday on an outstanding warrant for the sexual assault of a child cart the hannah allegedly met the 15 year old victim outside the american airline senator during a mavs game on april 8th her family said she went to the restroom and did not return to her seat surveillance video showed her leaving the arena with the suspect police say cart the hannah took the victim to the house in dallas and sexually assaulted her she was located

in oklahoma city about 10 days later. Oh, my God. Yeah. And there's more articles on it, but there's an article where they found her via social media. I think they came to the game. It was, you know, and there's these ploys now where they're using kind of like the catfishing, where they're using other teenagers as boys and saying, like, pictures of other teenagers saying, hey, I like you I'm going to be at the game

when you're going to be at the game. Some of them got to be convincing. I'm sure you see it all the time. Anytime you follow any kind of account usually I notice of like a celebrity in this case, like a female celebrity you will instantly have I don't know if you've seen this as well, Brad, but you

will instantly have these accounts that are usually tagged new so you can tell right away with some slamming hot chick yeah follow you she's got a bunch of fake pictures no likes you know three following yeah on it and i'm like all right they're really they're losing ground over here but yeah that's just got to be the worst example of like no effort there's got to be some like you're saying where it's like oh you know they have 600 followers or something a long history on there yeah they make people believe they create these accounts as a matter of fact i know i'm jumping around i'm super sorry there's a story that came out uh again i i keep saying because i've researched this i study all this organ harvesting stuff to nauseam but there's a story that came out

like two months ago this kid committed suicide uh he was on a baseball team somewhere in midwest somewhere in the midwest good kid straight a student because uh there was an account that followed him on instagram and uh they uh it was looked like a girl a beautiful white girl teenager his age and it was two nigerians in nigeria and they were sending him message like I want to get can't wait to see you and then the Nigerians like eventually hey send me pictures of you naked send me pictures either like I can't I want to see what you look like so when we have sex X Y Z again I'm paraphrasing the story for the sake of time he does this then they say

all right you need to give me give us $40,000 or $50,000 camera an exact number and he's like I don't have that kind of money. All the messages are, I think were on the story and he didn't have the money. And then I think he sent them like $5,000 and they're like, we want more. We want the 50,000. And they kept on tormenting him saying, we're going to expose you to everybody. And it was a girl like saying she was going to expose him. And, but it was actually these two Nigerians.

He ended up committing suicide. And so social media is a driver for this. It's so easy to create accounts. It's so easy to delete accounts. It's so easy to search on hashtags. I mean, now, you know, I tell people all the time, we have to think of social media as, like, being out walking down the street. Yes. You know, like, and, you know, you can't treat it like you're in this private space because in reality you're not.

You know, the Internet, social media has become the world to a lot of people. You could reach people from around the world, just like, you know, the Oregon Harvesting film. I have people from around the world that watch that film that wouldn't have watched a film without YouTube being a social media platform. Right. And so we have to learn to put those same barriers and those same checks and balances in place around social media accounts and people who follow us and people who message us as we would if somebody was to come up to us on the street. Yeah. I mean, it's a digital world. Yeah. It's like when obviously the whole crypto and everything tank and people have been talking about the metaverse and stuff yeah yeah less but you know that concept is still very much in the works and you see what they're trying to do and

the the thing i could never wrap my head around is how people didn't see how we already had the bootloader yeah like not even a bootloader like a form of it because people are different people on there yeah but they're also incredibly revealing unknowing yes of who they are and what you're talking about is revealing in the most innocuous of ways you know using hashtags or like answering a dm with somebody yeah but you see it at the layer of something like that story of the kid which is horrible committing suicide from something like that but then it also goes to you get a girl to to leave a stadium with you yeah you know and and this is how like you know we've all we've all heard these stories we i'm guilty of it too like we throw around these terms human

trafficking and stuff but this this is this is i guess like the the main boiling point of of how it goes down and then around the world i would imagine as you've seen being a navy seal we're going to get to your whole background everything for people listening right now who aren't familiar. But I would imagine it's even a lot easier than that in places that are severely poverty-stricken, third-world countries. They walk up, and you were telling me in the car, you did one. I don't know where this was. Yeah, it was over DR, Dominican Republic. You want to tell people about that?

Yeah, yeah. That makes you sick to your stomach. Yeah, no. So I was with a human trafficking nonprofit and we went down to DR. Part of what we were supposed to be doing was educating the parents on not selling their daughters to traffickers. Educating the parents on not selling their daughters to traffickers. Yeah, because in this particular slum that we were in, the parents would sell their daughters to traffickers. Traffickers would take their daughters to the northern part of DR, and Americans and other Westerners would come have sex with these girls. Hold on a minute.

So you had to educate the parents not to do that? Yeah. Instead of calling the cops? Yeah. Because not like that exists, but I'm saying. I mean, the cops do exist, but at the end of the day, it's like— Holy shit. You know, we don't have the same—a lot of people think that the same systems that are in place here in America are the same systems in place in other end of the day it's like holy you know it's we don't have the same

a lot of people think that the same systems that are in place here in america are the same systems in place i don't think that's the word no i'm not saying you do and so it's like you know it's it's it's a different world and especially as you get further and further away that's why you get a lot of these people who go up to other countries and they they act as though they have the same rights as they have in america and they quickly find out they don't. You know what I mean? And so, yeah, we were down there. And I just remember being so perturbed, you know, as a father of two boys. It was just hard for me. And I've always been good at keeping my composure.

And our guide recognized that I was like, I was kind of out of it. I wasn't able to really effectively do my job because it was like in somewhat of a daze and He pulled me aside and pulled me into this chapel that was no bigger than the size of two toilet stalls And at the end of the chapel was a six-month old old baby that was dead in a casket It was a funeral service And what to told I mean to handicapped oldest also, so it wasn't two bigger. And he used that as a teaching moment for me. And essentially what he was saying was that this is why their parents are doing what they're doing.

Like, it all goes back to what we were saying earlier, poverty, desperation. Why was the baby dead? So the baby died because the mother had, her sustenanceance ran out her breast milk ran out so she was she had mixed the local water slum water with formula and the phone that's what ultimately killed the baby so essentially what he was trying to show me was this is their plight either they sell their daughter and they get food and water and other stuff for their other kids right or they don't and all their kids die and it doesn't justify it it doesn't make it understandable but it gives you the tools that you need to be able to better communicate to the parents right and communicate to the people in this particular slum and so um that and again that falls under the

wedding side of it right um so uh back to the social media pieces because i had this thought right before we jumped to that topic to that story Well, well, I'll back up that was an inspiration that began the that was the start of me essentially saying I need to make a film Because when I got back from that trip I had a few voicemails from my case in text messages in my cases Michael Bay's producing partner Hmm, and he was like hey base We've been trying to get in contact with you because bays starting his new film six underground and he'd like for you to be the consultant on it and and he was like where are you and i was like good i've been i was out of i was like man i've been down in dr and he's like all right he's like can you can you start today i was like i can't

start today but i can start like next week or something like that and um after i got off the phone that's when these two worlds collided. The human trafficking piece that I was just exposed to, tangible saw, and then the film and TV piece. And in my mind, I was just like, I can go down to South America, DR, Haiti a hundred times and try to educate parents or pull kids out of these sex trafficking rings and rescue them and do all that all day long. Or I can have a bigger impact via film and TV, right? I can reach more people, right? I don't know what the view count is on the film. I think it's like somewhere around 45,000 views. But at this point, you know,

45,000 people have potentially seen the film. Yeah. Let's hope we get a few more in there. Link down in the description. Yeah, and I've had so many people say to me, hey, thank you for making this film because I didn't know that this happens. I didn't know that it was real. I thought it was a conspiracy.

I didn't know that things happen like this. Our world is and I want to do something, whether that's donate to a human trafficking nonprofit, whether that's volunteer their time with a human trafficking nonprofit, whether it's as simple as I've had people say, dude, I went on a website on a human trafficking website, and I just took a class on how to recognize the signs and symptoms of a human trafficking victim. And that was what I wanted. And that all came from coming back from that trip, having that voicemail, and those two worlds colliding and saying, I need to have a bigger impact. And the best way I can have a bigger impact is through film and TV, because people won't read books on this. Most people won't go down to other places or even go in their own communities like Sacramento and engage in the fight of human trafficking,

even if it's as simple as volunteering in an aftercare clinic. People won't read books and articles, but they will watch a movie. They will do that. And if I can get them to watch a movie, then I can engage more people into this fight. Because you're telling, I mean, it comes back to the most core thing in human history, this fight because you're telling i mean it comes back

to the most core thing in human history throughout history you're telling a story story people are people are affected by things that even if it's they can't relate to it they could find a way to put themselves themselves somewhat in that situation you did that very effectively thank you with that film and and what it you know for for the people out there who haven't seen it again the link is in the description. I would highly recommend you go watch it. And I'm looking forward to the full feature you get to do with it now. That's awesome that you're doing that.

But what it's showing is the – you did like a backward timeline. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you start with the end where you show some rich white couple from America down in Mexico and they get informed by a doctor that their son is going to live. He just got this transplant for something. And then you show how that organ got to the hospital and the guy, the medical person who brought it. And then you show where the medical person met these other people

and then where they met these other, and all the way down. And I won't give it away, but you end up showing quite literally the source yeah and what happens and this is where we get to like the whole forced yeah acquisition yeah is that what you call it like yeah it's just forced it's just forced just like forced i mean forced marriage yeah i don't want to put like business terms no forced marriage is a form of of human trafficking as well but yeah yeah i uh i decided to i was trying to figure out when I wrote the script, it was a tough write because it's based on true events, one. Oh, you based it on some, okay.

It's based on true events. Not something that I've, that I witnessed or saw, but some, so I'm trying not to give away too much so that people don't go watch the film and be like, he already, now I know. No, you gotta watch it no matter what. But there's victims in it well you know the victims right and those victims are from a specific group yes uh and uh uh that group

had a genocide carried out against them around 2015 2014 2015 oh i didn't realize that was yeah don't give it away don't give it away i'll bleep it out yeah because remember the guy asked him he at the end of the film towards the end of the film he says are they shiite or oh shit i totally and he said there so those so that so that was the first genocide that's the most recent genocide that the that the un recognized yeah that was Was that genocide. Because the men were killed, the women were taken, and the girls, and they were used for sex trafficking,

organ harvesting, and some other bad, crazy thing. And this is quite literally something, because we'll get to your career in time. This is quite literally something you had a front row seat to. Yes, yes, yes. And so, again, that's why I say,

I didn't make it up. All i had to do was do the research and find and pull stuff together and and and know history and it's based on true events you know it's based on a genocide that the un had recognized and and the un recognizes that these the girls and were all and women and boys in some cases were used for multiple forms of human trafficking. Yeah. So, yeah, so I decided to tell the story backwards because that was the only way I could find my way into the story. Because it's like, you know, at the end of the story, we all want somewhat of a happy ending. We were talking about the hero's journey offline. And even if we, whether consciously or unconsciously, when we watch a story, we're all waiting for that happy ending.

And there's no way you can tell a happy ending. And I didn't want to fabricate it to the point or take away from its authenticity by just giving some happy ending where they get rescued. And so the way I had to do it was tell the story backwards. Well, it was genius to do it that way. And I fully understand that because it's not, you know, you want to get a message out and it sucks because you have to entertain yeah yeah right and we you were talking about who was that guy right before we were on camera who invented who wrote that book that you're doing a documentary maybe oh joseph campbell's right journey yeah yeah so i mean that guy outlined how a story is told and this is how people want it they want everything to tie together like a bow but sometimes tying together like the bow, it's a piece of shit.

Yeah. Because that's the reality. Exactly. And that's what people got to know. But, you know, Remy, it's interesting to have this on this specific topic, like this discussion today. Because right now, there's a movie that came out this past summer called Sound of Freedom, which covers this. And I believe you have some background working with what's the oh you are operation underground railroad right so that's

who it's based on yeah and it's based on the worst things that do happen around the world but i find myself in and this is just one example with high octane type things the worst kinds of things i find myself so frustrated in this conversation because number one we know human trafficking happens yeah it happens here yeah it's not just something that happens in like some quote-unquote horrible country with with a horrible economic situation somewhere it's a 30 plus billion dollar industry in the u.s 130 billion i believe globally 130 billion globally now it's hard to really because Because it's not like traffickers are turning in tax returns, doing their taxes every year,

but based off of the amount of people and rings that have been busted, and, you know, it's a multi 130-plus billion dollar industry. Well, that's... And again, that's not just... Again, that's not just sex trafficking. That's all the reforms. You know, that's the organ side. That's all the forms you know that's the organ side that's

the forced marriage traffic that's the sex even you know you know be more clear on this blood trafficking which is something that you know there's a story that came out of vietnam um uh last year a chinese guy traveled to vietnam he was abducted by a gang. The gang, that was international news as well. Just Google blood traffic victim, Chinese, I think Vietnam or Cambodia, one of them. Let's try Vietnam first. Trafficking victim says, this is 2022. Here we go. Yeah.

From Vice. Yeah. Trafficking victim says captors harvested his blood for a month. The man is the latest to come forward alleging disturbing abuse in the Cambodian city of... Cambodia, yeah. I thought it was Vietnam. I'm not going to fuck that up. It's some city in Cambodia, which has grown into a haven for Chinese scammers.

Lying prone... All right. It's a whole narrative story, so I'm not going to read it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was a big story. There's a bunch of different outlets that did stories on it, but that's a form of trafficking as well. blood trafficking. And again, I wanted to get that up there.

And I wanted to clarify because I know that I don't know all of the stuff that the QAnon, I don't even know what QAnon is. This is what I wanted to bring up. But I do know that there is talk amongst that group of blood, adrenals, some stuff that I don't even know. I want to delineate that I'm not talking about that, harvesting people's blood for some satanic rituals. I'm talking about harvesting this guy's blood to sell. Well, let me cut you off there, because you're getting at exactly what I wanted to say here. What happens to me, like, I do there is there is a reason to keep a divided

society yeah i think that the internet is an amazing tool for the people who want to do that to do so and it doesn't all it certainly doesn't necessarily come from this country yeah right you try to beat something from the inside yeah and so what ends up happening is is the different sides move farther and farther apart left and right right. And there's certain subjects they take up as their own, you could say, right? And so you take something like human trafficking, which you just laid out, estimated $130 billion industry around the world. It happens. It's bad. It's something we should – every human being should be able to get behind –

every good human being should be able to get behind like, oh, let's figure out how to stop this. So you take a truth. And know in what is clearly an intelligence operation with q anon yeah you know you put out all this other shit on top of that yeah you say hillary clinton and bill clinton are sucking up the blood of children to get their elixir first of all yeah if you gave me a flashlight indiana jones in 24 hours and i went to find hillary clinton's fucking you know what i wouldn't be able to find yeah so if that's what she's doing yeah then it ain't working yeah let's just start there yeah but they go through all these things that are full-blown conspiracies

with no evidence yeah and then what happens it's like a burger that i served you with insects on yes yeah and if i take off the insects i say oh you're good now you're like no give me a new fucking burger yeah so you put human trafficking in the middle of that and now when it comes up what's the first branding that a lot of people think of oh is that all the fucking q anon people once again exactly and i gotta think for a guy like you yeah that has to be so fucking frustrating it is man it is frustrating especially when i get messages dude even on you know when i get i got a comment on uh so i think i can't remember if it was Twitter or something like that, after when I posted the, like a clip or trailer to The Unexpected on there. And it's like, oh, here's this conspiracy theory stuff. There's like conspiracy, like, dude, I've seen this stuff happen.

Like, it's like open source information from every outlet, liberal, conservative, everything in between. Yeah, we're reading from Vice right there, to be clear. And that same article can be found on CNN, Fox, and every other outlet, BBC, everyone. And so it is infuriating. And I hate how it's just been so politicized. And it's been, well, that's this group's fight and that group's crazy. And so, yeah man it's it is infuriating and that's why i like that's why i like i pushed hard to make this now i'll back

up for a second dude when i that film didn't start out as a film it started out as a treatment for a tv show so i wrote a true the unexpected what do you mean so treatment is essentially like when you want to pitch a tv show to a studio or network, and you want to get paid for it. You don't want to, when I say get paid, you don't want to do it on spec. So when you write a script on spec, it's called speculation. Okay. Which means you're just writing it, but it may never get made, right?

And so when you write a treatment, it's easier to write a treatment than it is to write a pilot and a series Bible. So when it comes to TV, you write the pilot, which is the first episode, and then you write a series Bible, which breaks down all of the characters, and it breaks down everything that's gonna happen in season. That's a lot of work. That's like writing a freaking book. That's a lot of work. And so what creators like myself will do is we'll create a treatment, which is just treatment

is like a summary of absolutely everything a summary of the characters You can do a treatment anywhere between nine pages and 30 pages if you want to but it doesn't have to be that long And then you submit that treatment to different studios network streamers. They read and they're like, all right, we love this idea We want to commission this as a TV show Here's up here Here's the resources whether it's money or whatever the case may be Or whether it's money or whether it's money to go hire right or whether it's a writer They have one staff to write the pilot and write the series Bible, right?

And so I wrote it as a treatment First for TV series and so that short film that that the opening of the short film well, the opening of the of The treatment like the opens the opening episode. I think the first five ten minutes of the short film well the opening of the uh of the treatment like the opening opening episode i think the first five ten minutes was that short film so i just took that i just took uh the the opening of the of the tv pilot and i stretched it out to that short film and i tried like night and day to sell it like My agents tried to get somebody to pick it up so that we can make it,

because it's an important topic. And it was just like, ah, we don't want to do that. Nobody wants to hear that. That's a controversial topic. This is what I mean, man. No one wants to make that right now. It's too controversial, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And it comes from the fact that you have people

who have said dumb stuff, or who shouldn't probably be the advocates advocating for this because, you know, and it's an uphill battle, bro. And so that's why finally, you know, Brad will tell you, dude, like after like a year and a half, I want to say, or maybe even like, yeah, like around a year and a half i said screw it i'm done with trying to i'm just gonna i put up my own money i spent about 150 grand of my own money and i said i'm gonna just go ahead and make this film like brad was next door in the office i said yo bro i said i had a piff i was like i'm done i'm nuking this i'm making this harder than i need to be making it we're gonna make he's like i was like we're gonna make this movie he's like what are you talking about what movie i was like don't expect it what do you mean you're gonna make he's like I was like we're gonna make this movie. He's like, what are you talking about? What movie? I was like the unexpected. What do you mean? I was like we're gonna make it if we're just gonna do it as a short He's like how we gonna do it like dude. I got my buddy in Kansas

You know, he's a filmmaker and like he's been trying to get me to make something out there We're gonna end literally from two was it two weeks later or three weeks later Yes 16 days later we were in the office yeah two filming was wow yeah 16 days later we were in kansas city full crew cast you know actors all that stuff we're out there making a movie and it was because i got tired of waiting on people to give me permission to make something that needed to be made so that I could educate people that you know, so they they can see that this is real and that's why I Stretched that a lot of people like why you got to make it 32 minutes like short films are supposed to be 10 minutes

It's like well, I won't be able to do the story justice in 10 minutes I can't afford to do a movie but I can afford to do this in 30 minutes so people could understand the full process Yeah, and see how it works and also see how intricate these organ harvesting rings are and how intelligent these people are as a matter of fact i was talking about uh cairo egypt early cairo egypt is considered to be the organ harvesting capital world because like as i mentioned earlier a lot of migrants come up to egypt and they try to get into other parts and they get stuck there right and so there was an organ harvesting ring that was busted in 2017, I wanna say, or 2000, yeah, 2017.

And of the 45 people that were detained and arrested, the majority of them were doctors and nurses. And I'm bringing that up because when people hear of human trafficking, whether it's organ harvesting, sex trafficking, whatever the case, they think of those people that we saw on the screen who took that girl. And yeah, you get a lot of those guys. You get a lot of those guys and women.

But you showed other people in your doctor. Yeah, but when these people that are operating at that high level with the organ harvesting side, these are doctors and nurses that are involved. There's smart people that are involved. You know, cartel, drug cartel people, for the most part, the guys at the top are really, really smart, brilliant people. You know what I mean? We're not talking about some dude that stands on the corner and sells, you know, dime bags. We're talking about very intelligent people. They're running a sophisticated enterprise.

And that's how these rings are run. They're run pretty much flawlessly something even you know we know what we see here but even thinking about this on a global scale something about you know the highest level protectors of people right yeah doctors nurses well-educated people obviously smart they're quite literally their job is to try to help people when they walk through their door there's just something about that that when you hear they take some cash payment to do something like this yeah it just defends something so deep inside you i imagine i speak for a lot of people 100 right now 100 they do there was a story i know i keep saying there's a story because

it's great there's a lot of them yeah there was a story that came out earlier this year. I want to say February of this year. This girl goes, she gets, she finds a human trafficking. She finds a, not a human trafficking. She wants to get a tummy tuck. She wants to get a tummy tuck. Can't afford what it costs to get a tummy tuck here in the States, here in Miami, New York, LA is too expensive. I can't remember. Somebody on social media reached out to her or gave her the contact. Somebody she knew gave her the contact for a social media, Instagram page. And this particular doctor or group did the plastic surgery.

Again, I'm butchering it because I can't remember all the details. Actually, I posted the story on my social media, I think in January or February when the story was breaking news. But anyway, she's like, great. I can go down to DR and get a procedure done that would cost, I don't know, $20,000 in the States.

Get it done for $4,000 or $5,000 in DR. Sign me up. She goes down to DR, gets the procedure done, wakes up. She's fine. Flies back to the States. She's not feeling right. She's like, man, why am I not? Why am I feeling fatigued?

Why am I feeling lightheaded? Why am I not feeling right. She's like, man, why am I not, why am I feeling fatigued? Why am I feeling lightheaded? Why am I not feeling right? She goes to the doctor. Doctor runs all of these tests on her. And he's like, yeah, something's going on. I can't pinpoint it. Let's take an MRI. Takes an MRI.

Comes back. He's like, you know you only have one kidney. Son of a bitch. She's like, what? No. He's like, you have one kidney. What happened? I lost it. I went down to DR to get a tummy tuck.

Oh my God. And then the light went off in her head. He took my kidney. Who was it that took her kidney? It was a doctor. Who was it that chopped up that poor woman from mexico in peru it was a med school student so you're not dealing with the who the costa rican um uh organ harvesting ring down in costa rica with the israeli doctor right you're dealing with very intelligent people um we're going to go even deeper with what's what has happened in china with the prisoners you know you talk about that because that's like kind of you're talking about the uyghurs right not no not not just the uyghurs but the prisoners oh just prisoners oh please on death row yeah i don't think oh it's well known yeah so so so it's they say they've stopped but they say they never did

it they say they stopped but there's been a bunch of information out there about prisoners on death row essentially, you know, getting their organs taken before they're executed. And some of the, by the way, some of these people who are on death row are on death row for like shoplifting. Yeah. I don't know. You know better than I do. And there's an actual surgeon who left left who fled sought asylum in london there's a story about him on uh on youtube let's put a surgeon uh escapes to london chinese surgeon escapes to london for organ harvest and vertoti bugda an oncology cert was ordered by the first oh no that's that's a different guy

how i expose the chinese government's crimes that's lad bible this guy right here that's this guy right here this is the guy um on vice yeah it's called china kills prisoners and harvests their organs i'll tell you that link in the in the description he breaks it all down man it's it's it's crazy. But yeah. What did he say? He was just breaking down how it happens. He told a story about how some guys got executed. And this was the first time he was involved in taking the organs out. Some guys got executed.

He essentially was not in the outdoor area where the execution took place somebody got him was like yo it's your first day or whatever the case may be come come out he gets out there just like you know you got x amount of time to get these organs get liver get the kidney out quick get it out get it out get out he gets it out and then he then it began and then he began to learn you know why he was there, and he began to discover more cases. Again, I'm butchering it because, I mean, I haven't heard the story in a while, but more cases of him having to pull out organs. says something like in 2004, 2006, he got reporting that 11,000 tourists came to China and purchased organs. Again, that was just in the article or something like that.

So you're getting Westerners, Americans, UK, Israel, whoever, you're getting Westerners who are traveling to other countries whether it be china whether it be south america like i showed in my short film whether it be going down to tj to get these procedures done and you know again it all goes back to these people are desperate they have a loved one that may be dying and they're like hey no harm no foul or in a lot of these cases maybe the people don't even know that the dying and they're like hey no harm no foul or in a lot of these cases maybe the people don't even know that the person that they're getting the order from was murdered

or you know maybe they're it's a bait and switch no here's a quick hole to poke in this though and i'm probably naive to ask this but how can we not catch this easier and the reason i say that is because even if you're like a really rich person who you know has access to people and whatever the hell they rich people do to go over and and get organs covertly when someone needs an organ transplant there's a record for that because then they got to get put on a list right yeah so if suddenly you know little fucking timmy over here who needed a liver transplant in in may of this of this past year and oh now he doesn't need one why is that who's gonna come after him for that though who's gonna you know it's like four thousand to five thousand people in america die every year from not being a get a uh on the kidney waiting list that's not that high of a number though is my point how can

we not like well that's just a kidney. Right. So now extrapolate that across, you know, 20 other organs. I don't know. Yeah, but just think about how many people in the world, you know, how many people are in need versus how many people are able to be able to give those organs legitimately. But if we had 100,000 people every year on some sort of organ donation need list in America, and it's a centralized list because, I mean, luckily, knock on wood, I've never needed one. I don't know about that. I'm not fully aware, but I know someone gets a call like, oh, we got one for you.

You're up next on the list. So there's some sort of repository that has you in order. So if suddenly number 504 on that list suddenly isn't on there and he's not dead. Yeah, but who's going to go and who's going to take the time? Who's going to spend the money to go research or go investigate the one out of the 10 out of the people I'm giving my tax money to? Yeah, but they don't have the resource. The government doesn't have the resources to go do that. I don't I mean, what I mean is they won't allot the resources to go do that.

Why not? I don't know. I don't know. It i mean is they won't allot the resources to go do that why not i don't know i don't know let me back up for a second i don't know i don't i don't think they have the resources to go do something like that and if they do i don't know why they want it so i don't know the answer to that to be honest with you but that does seem like a simple answer if somebody is on the organ waiting list and then one day they are off the list and they have Vaughn and Johnny on the spot, why not go investigate them? Yeah. It's just, you know... But there's, what's the crime?

Like, for like, like, cause in investigating somebody, you gotta be able to... What do you mean, what's the crime? What I mean is that, and I'm talking from the perspective of the, uh, the government. Like why are we because right in order for me to be investigated i need to what is it uh what's the term what's the legal term um probable cause yeah yeah how do you prove probable cause they left the list there's my cause but is that is that enough probable cause fuck yeah it's and as someone who As someone who does care a lot about constitutional rights, fuck yeah.

I'm just playing devil's advocate. You know what I mean? Now, when a cop says to you, oh, I pulled you over because I saw you swerving within your own lane, that's not good probable cause. That doesn't even exist. You can't swerve within your own lane. Yeah. Right? But if someone says you were number 504 on the list and I'm watching you play volleyball right now a year later and you're not on the list anymore that's that's probable cause yeah but

i agree with you that would be the easy fix but i'm just trying to figure out from a legal standpoint how is it going to happen in the sense that just let's just say i'm the person that received the organ okay okay by the way if you don't mind just stay talking if you gotta pull the mic up towards you no problem like sometimes you're talking over i All right, sorry, sorry. Just watch that. But you're good. I was going to say, what if I was a person that, you know, received the organ? Cop knocks on my door. Hey, you're fine now.

You're on a waiting list, organ waiting list. What's going on? This is not a communist country, right? So the person is not going to, they have what, a right to remain silent. Okay, I have a right to remain silent. Are you charging me or something? No, I'm just asking you why you feel better.

But if you have a probable cause, right? Yeah. You take them downtown, you lift up their shirt and you see a 12-inch scar that wasn't there. Okay. But then the next question is,

where'd you get the kidney from? Do they have to answer? I'm just trying to figure out from a legal standpoint. Yeah, no, this is good. Like, do they have to answer? And if they, you know, I got it from,

let's say, hey, I got it from somebody. I went down to South America. I went down to South America I went down to Brazil and uh they we were able to find a match down there and they may not have alright well go down to Brazil that's a good one you know what I mean

I'm just trying to reverse engineer to figure out like how like the solution at the end of the day I think is I don't want to say the solutions, but I think one of the solutions to the problem is... trying to figure out a way to dismantle poverty or put a bigger microscope...

in the areas where they're the most vulnerable people to make sure that those wolves are not doing what they're doing to take advantage of the poor well this is the other problem too and it's the 500 pound elephant in the room that's been in everything you're saying today but you pointed out the people who are at the top end of these transactions are not poor yeah yeah they're usually the and i'm not just using the doctor nurses example those are the people doing it which're usually the and i'm not just using the doctor nurses example those are the people doing it which is sick yeah but i'm saying like the people who are driving it and charge this whole thing are very wealthy people and very wealthy people in societies

around the world are a either very connected or be they're part of the connection yeah right yeah so i mean we see it all the time we've seen it there was an island run by jeffrey epstein in in the fucking middle of the caribbean where some very wealthy people went and in this case was trafficking we're doing these horrible things to to kids you know teenage girls we know what he did in particularly like as young as he went but you know people see things like this and they cynically go well how is it going to change because you know it's successfully being marketed with a certain loony bin type of people who put all this other shit on it number one so it gets less importance already we already covered that and b we've already seen him get away with

it yeah yeah it's you know it's a global problem so it requires a global response it requires it requires more people like what we're doing right now on this podcast you know how many people are going to potentially listen to this podcast how many people are gonna now now you know to to whom much is given much as much as uh required much is expected right so if anybody on the sound of our voices, it's like, hey, you're now in some way, if you didn't know about this, you're now somewhat in the know about this.

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but they ain't spending it on the work you got some names to call out uh you're not comfortable doing that i'm just saying but what so i say do the research research the human trafficking non-profits that you're investing as a layman i'm a dude in a podcast chair right here in my parents house how do i research their track record google them see what stories have been written written about them vet those stories just like i used to do as a, as a human guy, you know, was like, we were talking about offline. I couldn't just have a source come to me and be like the bad guys in that house down the street, go get them. Right. That I had to be like, okay, let me take that. Let me see one. Let me see how he's giving me that information. Let me read his body language. Let me read his history. Has he

lied to me? Does he embellish? All right, now, after I've been able to make an assessment on the information that he just gave me, now let me go vet that information against another source. Now let me go vet that information against SIGGET. Now let me go vet that information against ISR drone footage. Now let me go vet that information against other source intelligence reports. And then based off all of that now I can make a decision to go on a op it all comes back to using the brain that we have been

giving a given and and doing the research in these nonprofits not just saying oh this is a nonprofit is doing great stuff I'm talking to multiple people yeah there's something you can do yeah I see what you're saying I a little bit cynically they're like get access to the great us of a government right there like you had the best sources you're working with all the agencies right so when you go to check things out you you kind of know from a general standpoint like you're getting it from that primary source in a way what i worry about is the internet it has a lot of truth on it all over the place it's i i'm speaking for myself right here it's hard to pick out where that is sometimes because there's different angles and you know different people injecting things in

the conversation yeah so i'm sure like hit pause on whatever you're listening to and hit play on your next adventure stay three nights this summer at best western and get 50 off a future stay life's the trip make the most of it at best western visit bestwestern.com for complete terms and conditions. To an extent, you have to be right. Like, there is some homework you can do to get an idea. But I know there's got to be some organizations out there, not just with this, with other important things too,

where it's like, you may not really find anything online that's like negative press per se, but that money doesn't really go to that. You know, I think that's a fear people have. And I couldn't imagine doing that if I were running a charity, but you know, it's good of you to point out that some of them are. Yeah. Yeah. So you got to do the research on the right nonprofit. Then one, you know, it could be going a lot of these, not a lot, but a good number of human trafficking nonprofits, they have these free classes that you can take online that help to help you find to help you learn the signs and symptoms of a traffic victim and it doesn't take long some some of these are like for example

there's a story that came out of came out two three years ago out of atlanta uh an atlanta based uh i want to say delta flight attendant i can't remember the exact exact airline she goes onto a human trafficking website takes their 10 10-minute, 15-minute class on what the signs and symptoms of a traffic victim are, and then she goes on her flights. One day, I can't remember how the time distance between the time she took the class and the time this event happened,

she's on a flight, she sees a kid with an adult male, and she recognizes the signs and symptoms. Oh, this kid is being really, really sheepish oh this kid is being really really sheepish this kid is being is seems a bit timid and frightened his clothes are a bit something's a bit off here um she went into her uh went into the cockpit and told the pilot hey i think we have or got whatever phone is that they're able to call ahead to the next landing spot destination.

And she says, hey, I think we have a traffic victim on board this plane. Can we have the police or somebody at the gateway when we land? And lo and behold, flight lands. The cops come, interview the

kid, interview the guy, come to find out that kid was being trafficked. That kid had been abducted and was being moved to another state. So that's one way people could help. Sure, and that's a good one. I remember that story. I remember that one, and that's great to hear someone caught it, but think about all the times, obviously, where it doesn't get caught. So if more people were informed, then maybe you could catch that but

the obvious here is that in these situations trafficking victims especially when they're minors yeah there is a there is a litany of psychological things that happen i guess sometimes right away yeah where even when they're in public places they don't like if you're sitting home listening to that story and you don't think about it you're like oh i just, I just go to the guy next to me and say, I'm a trafficking victim. Get me out of here. But they don't do that. Have you studied the different types of things that can instantly get these kids feeling like they're a prisoner even in public to these people? What do you mean?

Are there tactics that these guys use besides I'm going to kill your whole family if you say something? I don't know for a fact, but I something oh it's well i think it's i don't know for a fact but i think that it's it's just basic brainwashing it's basic um um instilling in the mind of the victim that they are inferior that the victim is inferior over and it may not take a long amount of time it may be quick it may be as, hey, back to the back of the feet. You know what I mean? I don't know. But it's just getting the victim to understand that I control you. I'm up here, and you're down here. You're nothing. And that's what you notice

in a lot of abuse situations, right? Why women don't leave men who beat them to a pulp all the time. My aunt, she was with her husband for a number, he would beat her so bad she'd end up in the hospital. But she'd keep on going back. Why? Because he instilled in her that you are down here and I am up here. I am God.

Right? And so it's not just something that we see in kids. It's stuff that we see in adults sometimes. So I think that it's that simple i mean i don't want to say that simple but i think that that's part of the process is making the victim feel as though they are nothing yeah and and on this is a horrible word to use for it but unfortunately they're when you look at the main predators in these types of situations not just not just with kids like you said with adults and everything they do seem

to have in common a very very particular set of skills yeah for manipulation and control yeah you know you read about it obviously everyone reads the epstein case like if you read about him if you read about ghislaine maxwell especially yeah i mean she was – that was no idiot. That was a brilliant woman, unfortunately. She was a horrible, horrible person. Well, she's still alive for now. But she had unbelievable skills to get these young girls immediately trusting her and then not doing anything about it. And my – like I understand how brainwashing can happen over time what i get most shocked at that just doesn't process for me but i know it's a real phenomenon is when it

happens right away yeah i'm a i'm a somewhat normal 15 year old kid maybe i'm from a little more poor of a background but otherwise i'm a pretty good kid whatever one day i get this person meets me takes me into their world and two days later. It's like I was always in well But we got to remember too I don't think it's that it does it ever does happen that quick because you get a lot of victims who? They're being trafficked like the woman who consulted on my film She was she's all she was I'm still my still might be she was on the Human trafficking board for the white house and so

we got connected and and she could help consult on film she could she spoke to the actresses and gave them insight and so they could better get into the character the two actresses who played the sisters and uh she was trafficked by her grandfather in church in church in church to other to other uh to other guys she was pimped out she was traffic she tells you the whole story she told a whole story when she shared the story you remember her name can you look you could look her up on the she's on she's credited on the film as a consultant she's credited on the film as a consultant if you don't mind yeah we'll keep going yeah so so so so that was there was a process of her being i don't know we use the word groom but being felt the the grandfather putting her in a situation where she

felt comfortable so she felt like this is my leader i could trust him and and and that that happened and then finally the switch comes and when grandpa's saying hey go do this and you've known this person pretty much your whole life what do you do i mean that look at the statistics as it relates to uh kids who are sexually abused like not traffic just sexually abused the majority of their their assaulters are people they know close family members close friends you know people who you would never expect would would would would abuse a child you know i mean i met guys in the military who you know when they opened up to me and talked to me about stuff that happened to them in the past

it was like they were abused by somebody that they knew you know yeah you hear that over and they don't want to talk about it brad just pulled this up thank you yeah jenna sue jen jesson yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah so she so she was the one she's consulted on the film and she's on she was i don't know she still is but when we when she was working on the film she was on the um the human trafficking white house uh task force or whatever again or consult consulting for whatever it was and uh she was she was trafficked by her grandfather so again going back to the point is i don't think it's as simple as they get snatched and automatically right i think like it's people that they feel comfortable with it's just like the kids in the bronx right like you know

when it comes to selling drugs teenagers it's like they watch the pusher on the corner. They watch the doer. They see his gold chain. They see the car. They see the Mercedes. They see the women loving it. And it's like, you know, big homies like, yo, you want to get in on this, son? You want to run these drugs for me? You want to go do X, Y, and Z? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Even though that's detrimental to that kid, that kid can end up dead or in prison.

Before we end, what are you working on next? So, we got the book. The is going to be in the description it's chameleon it's it's chameleon it's basically it's not an autobiography it's a fictional story a little bit of a little bit of remy in the main character yeah and then what was the name of your autobiography again from four years ago uh my memoir was transformed. That got picked up to be a movie. So it's going to be a movie. Yeah. Yeah.

It got picked up to be a big movie, man. So we know who's playing you yet. Not yet. Not yet. Not yet. We still work. We got to work that out after these strikes.

Oh yeah. It's crazy. And we're making the unexpected into a feature film. Yeah. So the unexpected short film got picked up to be a feature. The feature version is called Unexpected Redemption. It's a sequel, picks up five years after the event, after the events of, uh, the unexpected.

So it's, you know, you got to do it. Got it tied in already. Yeah, it's already tied in. Script's already done. Um, I'm directing it. We already got financing on that and, uh, started casting. And Diego is in there still doing his thing and then we but i don't want to give away too much but it's it connects very well

and it's but it's it's a bigger scale story but at the same time still educational still very important showing people yeah the realities of organ harvesting because that is again something that that's the subset of human trafficking that because that is again, something that that's a subset of human trafficking is not focused on much.