Julian Dorey Podcast - 🤯 [VIDEO] - Why Ancient Experts are WRONG about Great Pyramid of Giza | Luke Caverns • 176

Episode Date: December 21, 2023

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What's up guys, if you're on Spotify right now, please follow the show so that you don't miss any future episodes and leave a five-star review. Thank you. answer that question like what their utility would have been you look at the interior architecture of them and how strange the chambers are it's very odd and so one of the most common explanations is that they may have been like a water pump that there could have been water pumping in and out of them to help cultivate agriculture here's a really interesting thing let's talk about the pyramids. Okay. You know this was common. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So what fascinates me about this stuff, it seems like everyone's fascinated by the pyramids and who wouldn't be. But, you know, it gets into all different theories as to how they could have been built and who did it and when they did it and you know there's a lot of challenged academic academic definitions of it i guess that they say oh they've said for years oh this is exactly how it happened whatever and people are starting to find evidence that's like no fucking way but you come from the camp of the pyramids were created by the Egyptians. Yeah, yeah. I think that's where I differ from... Okay, can you explain this? And when you think they were created and how and all that?

Yeah, so in the world, the community, I guess, online community that I'm in, I think a lot of people share the idea that the Egyptian pyramids were built by an ancient civilization that existed sometime during the end of the last ice age, towards the end of the Younger Darius, somewhere around 10,500 BC is what is estimated. Now that date comes from, the 10,500 BC date comes from when people look at the Sphinx that is sitting in front of the middle pyramid on the Giza plateau. So that's Khafre's pyramid. The Sphinx is thought to have been originally a lion, which whose head was recarved to be like a pharaoh later on. But the insane amount of the insane amount of erosion that is so unambiguously water erosion that's in the Sphinx pit makes people think,

okay, this is this is up to 10,000 to 30,000 years of consistent water erosion, then you go back, you know, all the stars can be easily calculated. It's all mathematical. So nowadays we have programs that you can go back a million years ago and see what the constellations would have been like on Earth, right? And it's very accurate.

Yeah, yeah, I think it's strong. How do we measure its accuracy if we can't? Oh, God, I don't know. I really don't know that. I mean, that's astronomers. All right. That's okay. Sorry.

I can ask Brian when he comes in. But just going back 10,000 years isn't too hard to look at constellations. And so around 10,500 BC, the Sphinx, if it was originally a lion, would have been looking directly at the constellation of Leo in the night sky. And so that's kind of one of the places where – that's kind of one of the pieces of, I guess strongest geological evidence that we have of an Egyptian site going back that far. But then people put the pyramids in there. And basically the construction of the pyramids is so inexplicable and so complicated. And there's so many little details encoded into it. Like I believe the circumference of the earth is encoded into the Great Pyramid.

Yeah. And it's also – I'm going to get that wrong. Continue. Sorry. But there's so many anomalies about the Great Pyramids. And people look at its construction and they think there's no way that the ancient Egyptians could have done that because you look at the Great Pyramids on the Giza Plateau, most people look at the Great Pyramids on the Giza Plateau and they think,

you know, it just, it completely dwarfs most other things that you find in Egypt. But that's kind of on the surface it does. And most people don't realize that there, you know, there's a fourth great pyramid. There's a whole other story. There's also the Bent Pyramid, the Pyramid of Maidum, and the Saqqara Pyramid. So these are kind of like the main seven great pyramids. It's hockey season, and you can get anything you need delivered with Uber Eats. Well, almost, almost anything. So no, you can't get an ice need delivered with Uber Eats. Well, almost, almost anything. So, no, you can't get an ice rink on Uber Eats. But iced tea, ice cream, or just plain old ice?

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One of the things that's kind of anomalous about Egypt is that all of this is said to traditional Egyptology to have happened during the time of the old kingdom. So you have pre-dynastic Egypt, you have the old kingdom, the old kingdom collapses, you have an intermediate pyramid, like a terminal pyramid or terminal period. Then you have an intermediate pyramid, like a terminal period, then you have the Middle Kingdom, another terminal period, and then you have the New Kingdom, and then you get into like Greek rule over Egypt. But main Egypt is from pre-dynastic to the New Kingdom, and it's about 25 to 2600 years long, roughly, until you get to about 1000 BC. And so that's like, that's like your, that's your prolific understanding of Egypt are those little timelines. So what's really interesting is some of the most grandiose architectural feats

and the best stone masonry that you see in ancient Egypt happens during the time of the Old Kingdom. Everything after the Old Kingdom is dwarfed by the Old Kingdom, basically. So, people look at it and were like, well, how did the Egyptians start at the very beginning of their civilization creating their best stonework, and then it just quickly descends after that? Right. And so, people look at a lot of these mysteries, and then it just quickly descends after that. And so people look at a lot of these mysteries and then people somewhat logically can conclude, yeah, man, the Egyptians must have not built this. This must be an older culture. And then you look at the Sphinx, you look at the erosional marks of the Sphinx that had to be from water erosion, but when's the last time that

rainfall was coming in, that rainfall of this magnitude was happening in Egypt? About 10,000 years ago, during the end of the Ice Age, about, you know, 10,500 BC. Then that also aligns with when you look at the constellations, the Sphinx would have been looking at the constellation of Leo. So you have a lion looking, all these things kind of line up. Here's the, here's the problem though. Not a lot of people know about this because this is kind of one of those things that you get so deep into studying Egypt. So as an anthropologist, I have an interest not only in these ancient mysteries, like, like a layman person would where, where, you know, oh, I just like these ancient mysteries. I just want to watch YouTube videos about ancient mysteries. I have like a deep fascination for the study of all of ancient Egypt as a whole. So I study even what Orthodox Egyptologists say about the area.

And I've been studying, I was studying the Old Kingdom and I came across a study. It was like a lecture series, but it also had all the sources put into it and photographs. And I learned something I'd never learned before. So I'll, I'll lead into what I'm about to tell you. So in around 2650 BC, there was a king, um, Egypt was on our, Egypt was on its rise. This is 2650 BC. This is before Moses allegedly was. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That was like 1900 BC or something, right? Moses was about 14 or 1300 BC. Okay.

Yeah, yeah. Abraham was 1900 BC. Yeah, I think so. Could be, yeah. Okay, all right. But Abraham wasn't in Egypt, I don't think. No, no, no, no, no. I'm just putting the full timeline.

Yeah, yeah. I love laying out the timelines so people understand um so this is 2650 bc this is remote history way way back in the day it's hard to think about that you know what i mean like there's something weird about once you switch over from bc to ad it gets easier to think about oh yeah and it's and it's still like you could be talking about something 1,500 years ago. It might as well be 10,000 years ago. But when you start getting past AD into BC, it's like, I don't know if it's the fact that it's minus years in a way.

Maybe that does it. But it's a very strange concept. Yeah, yeah. I've had to get used to it. Because it's a very strange concept. Yeah, yeah. I've had to get used to it, you know, because it's like an opposite. You like flip the way the dates work. So anyways, around 2650 BC, Egypt is on a rise, but it's also not doing very well at this time, and it's under the pharaoh Jozier. And so Imhotep, his great architect, who's like the first recorded genius, first physician, ancient architect of the entire world, he's like the very first Plato, very first Aristotle. I mean, all of this, you know, he's like the godfather of all of these

great minds. And he gets this idea. So this is kind of where the orthodox view of how the pyramids work. And then I'll show you what I think might be the nail in the coffin. Unless I see somebody propose a counter argument to me that I'm like, Oh, that actually makes sense. Then, then I will concede, you know,

I'm, I'm, it's that easy for me. I, you know, I'm not going to. Good for you. That's a good way to be,

man. I mean, you're constantly in anything these days you're constantly finding new things and people i i appreciate people who are willing to change their opinion yeah so so what egyptologists look at is is around from 3000 bc until 2600 bc when they start building pyramids, Egyptian pharaohs start building tombs that are like depressed tombs that are under the ground. Then they start like building it on top of the ground where they rest the pharaoh on the ground and they build like a little tomb above him where he's not underground anymore. And then they start building what's called mastabas, which is like a,

it's like a giant stone twinkie basically. And somewhere in there, it's like a raised tomb that he's laying in. But it's kind of like a building. And some mastabas you could walk in. But it was like a raised tomb. So he's raised maybe as high as this desk. So say he's laid on a desk, and then they build up a stone um a stone structure around him and they just lay him on that and then sometimes it would be square sometimes rectangular and then emotep

gets this idea that he's like okay how will we build multiple mastabas on top of each other until it gets it's like a big uh it's like a big structure and so you can see you can clearly see there aren't even people in the like skeptic realm that say the that the pyramids were built by an ancient lost atlantean civilization there's nobody that argues that the pyramid of sakara the one i'm talking about the emotep built nobody argues that that one was built by it that's the step pyramid have you ever seen that before these are built these are built with uh blocks that are probably maybe a little bit bigger than the size of a cinder block but like one man could kind of easily carry this block yeah so that's the step pyramid of of sakara

so there isn't i'll put that image in the corner of the screen yeah there isn't this one right here yeah yeah yeah or this one oh, that one's fine too. Okay, cool. So there isn't anybody that argues that an ancient lost civilization that wasn't the Egyptians built this, okay? How big is this approximately? Freaking massive. I don't know the exact dimensions.

And what is it built out of? I mean, you can see it in one of these pictures that's sitting in front of the mortuary temples. It's white limestone so pretty heavy blocks but not it's not like granite how all right maybe here's a better question how big is this in relation to the pyramid of giza oh gosh i'm sorry maybe maybe half the height yeah okay so it's it's it's very big yeah yeah yeah it's very big it's very big yeah yeah i forget what's the i'm trying to remember this offhand what is the building equivalent of the

pyramid of giza uh compared to like skyscraper hold on oh gosh i don't know that's always fun to look at i can't remember what that was okay we go. So I'll put this in the corner of the screen. Here's the Pyramid of Giza, Eiffel Tower, Empire State Building. I can't read what that is this far away. There's the Trade Center. You could even look up ancient pyramids size graphs, and that's a very popular one where it has all of the biggest pyramids in the world kind of like overlaid on top of one another and you can see how big they are compared to each other and you'll see the sakara pyramid on there yeah let's look at this in the corner

of the screen which one right here yeah that should that one should be fine it's kind of tough to be able to yeah this is you guys are gonna have to really lean into the screen but the uh the sakara pyramid is in there it's that it's the one that's about half the height of the egyptian pyramid yeah what's the top one there oh that's i think that's the uh the the tower like in dubai or whatever oh oh so this also compares it to the buildings too yeah or at least that one building um yeah yeah i think that's what it is it's tough and then that tallest and then that tallest pyramid, that is the Pyramid of Khufu. And then the one that falls somewhere in the middle. Where's the Pyramid of Khufu?

That's the Great Pyramid. Yeah, so you have three Great Pyramids that are on the Giza Plateau. The biggest one is Khufu's Pyramid. The second biggest one is Khafre's Pyramid, which is his son. And then Khufu's grandson, or maybe his great-grandson, we don't exactly know. His name was Menkaure. His pyramid is probably 40% the size of Khufu's pyramid. You were saying there was another one, I cut you off there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But there are pyramids that come before that. So that's kind of what I'm

getting to. So there's nobody, even in the skeptic community, that thinks that that step pyramid, the one I'm showing you that's not a perfect pyramid, nobody thinks that that was built by an ancient lost Atlantean civilization. Everybody agrees that that was created out of the evolution of taking mastabas and stacking them on top of each other. Okay. We also know who the Pharaoh buried in that pyramid was. His name was Jozer because we have ancient Egyptian hieroglyphic funerary texts that show him performing divine miracles and visiting sanctuaries in the afterlife. He also has a mortuary temple in his necropolis that speaks of the things that he did in his life, and it's like elaborately, uh,

decorated and, and inside of his pyramid, um, in the, in the labyrinths of hallways, they decorated them with these, like, um, these blue, what do they call? Oh, turquoise. Um, you may, do you remember in the mummy, the scarab beetles that like they were pulling off the wall? Yeah. Remember how they would pull them off the wall and then they would come to life? Yes. Well, that's basically what this is. It was decorated from floor to ceiling in these turquoise scarab shells, but they were fake. They're made out of like turquoise stone. And so it's very elaborate and it's not ambiguous at all who this pyramid was intended for. Now what happens after that is the exact same architectural techniques are used at a place called Maidum under a different pharaoh. This pharaoh's name is Senefru. So Jozer dies,

he's buried underneath the pyramid of Saqqara that you just showed, the step pyramid. Another pharaoh comes in, Senefru. He tries to build basically the exact same type of pyramid, but he doesn't use the right type of limestone and it all like collapses. And so the inner part that's made out of, I guess it's some kind of different, more sturdy type of limestone is still there today and it's still sitting, but the outer parts of the limestone almost turned like powder when you look at it today. It just looks like it like fell down in the sides. So something about it was unstable and the interior of it was never designed and, you know at it today. It just looks like it fell down in the sides. So something about it was unstable, and the interior of it was never designed, and it was never used. The only reason that we know that it was intended for Senefer, which this could be easily argued against,

was there was a priest hundreds of years later who came from, I think, or hyrachinopolis and he has giant graffiti that he paints onto one of the mortuary temples around the pyramid of my doom and he says my name is such and such i visited the my doom pyramid of senefru at this date the sun was shining on it it's like graffiti how people say how people say, you can mark on something and say, Julian was here 2023. That's a real human. Yeah, yeah.

So some priest graffitied on it and graffitied on it and said that he was there. And then the same thing happened at the next site, which is, have you ever heard of the Bent Pyramid before? Refresh me. So the bent pyramid, it's basically just a pyramid that looks like a normal pyramid, but at the top, the angle is slightly more shallow. It's slightly more flat and the sides are very vertical. And so when architects go in and they look at this today, they look at the inner chambers because it has a whole interior as well. They look at the inner chambers and they're able to deduce, okay, they built the seat. They were going to build this thing way too tall. The chambers on

the inside are way too big, way too open. The ceiling is going to collapse in on this. So they made the roof more shallow because think about how many more stones you have to use to build a pyramid that's shaped like this rather than one like this. They didn't go flat enough. So the inside of the, the inside of the pyramid was going to collapse. And so they flattened the top of it. Now to most people, that's about as far as the explanation goes. They just flattened the top of it and they move on to the next pyramid, which is called, but remember that that's as far as the explanation goes. And so most people who are looking at for an ancient... evidence of an ancient lost civilization being in the pyramids, that's as far as it goes. Everybody agrees that's why the Bent Pyramid is the way it is. It wasn't designed to be in... It wasn't

intended to be bent. They just made it more flat to make it where the inner chambers wouldn't fall in. Okay. Then we go on to what's called the inner chambers wouldn't fall in okay then we go on to what's called the red pyramid so we're still not at the great pyramids yet we were four pyramids deep and we're still not at the great pyramids so then senefru goes and he builds the red pyramid which is made out of this like uh slightly more red limestone so that when the sun rises in the morning it shines off the limestone it's a pyramid. Well, this time they fill in like how the step pyramid had all the little steps. This Pharaoh was trying, and you can see it through the evolution of the Maidun pyramid, the bent pyramid, where he gets the sides perfectly sloped. Like he doesn't want the

steps anymore. He wants it smooth all the way down. By the time you get to the red pyramid, there's some casing stones and it's perfect all the way down. They built it, he built it perfectly, okay? That is the first great pyramid. And then Khufu is born. And Khufu was Senefru's son, okay? What year are we in now? We're now in about 2550 BC. So this is 100 years later. And this is when, I forget the guy's name. What was the pharaoh's name you said? Well, you have Jozer, Senefru, Khufu. Yeah, yeah.

And then Khafre. Were you talking about Imhotep? No, not Imhotep. I think it was the first one you said. So we're, what, two generations after? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you have Jozer, and then I don't know. Jozer. Yeah, I think maybe Jozer's one you said. So we're, what, two generations after? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you have Jozer and then I don't know. Jozer.

Yeah, I think maybe Jozer's son was Senefru, but they don't have 100% proof of their connection. But it's probably Jozer. His son is Senefru. His son is Khufu. So between, so Jozer builds one pyramid. Senefru builds three to perfect his final one. So it's the Maidum Pyramid, the Bent Pyramid, and then the Red Pyramid, which is the first great pyramid.

So the three ones that we see iconically, there would have with his mortuary hieroglyphs that show exactly who he is. That doesn't happen at any of the three of Sennephru's sites, okay? Then I'm going to like lead up to the big like mystery here. Yeah, this is amazing, by the way. This is way more detailed than I thought you were going to give on this. And so then Senefru's son Khufu builds his Great Pyramid. He builds his significantly larger than the Maidum Bent or Red Pyramid, but it's almost the same design as the Red Pyramid,

almost exactly the same design, except I believe he includes a chamber for his wife in there so you have the king's chamber you have the queen's chamber you have the grand gallery which is like this giant slanted chamber in the middle um and then he had he had little temples around the pyramid um but nowhere in the pyramid did he ever inscribe his name in the way that his grandfather did. So then Khufu's son is born, Khafre. Khafre builds his own great pyramid and he, he makes it 10 meters shorter than his father's out of respect. And he builds his own, um, Sphinx temple in front of his pyramid, and then supposedly builds the Sphinx as well, constructs, this is probably the greatest project

of all of ancient Egypt. I mean, you look at the blocks that are in the Sphinx temple, they're massive blocks, sometimes the size of this table, solid limestone blocks, kind of pushing up close to what we see in Inca architecture as far as the size of the stones being used in just temples. And the weight of that is insane. Oh, the weight of it is unbelievable.

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with this so you're talking about each of these pyramids i don't even know what number one we're on like four or five uh pyramid six okay pyramid six and you're talking about them across three to four generations worth of rulers who are descending from each other how long are each of these pyramids taken to be built it's the way it's sounding is that it was all built in each of their lifetimes oh yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. It's estimated. I know. I know, right? It's estimated.

They think Khufu's construction of the Great Pyramid was 20 years. Okay. It was two decades. And we're talking about rocks that would require, I don't know how many, a lot of people just to carry it. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And they're putting it in the middle of a desert. Yeah.

So they're bringing it from somewhere. Well, the limestone blocks that are used, like the vast majority of the pyramid is made out of limestone blocks. The pyramid is built in the quarry where the blocks came from. So when you're standing at the pyramids the limestone blocks that are like that hopes that are that are the vast majority of the pyramid is built out of you turn around and it's right there there's a big giant wall you can still see the quarry where some of the stones are just sitting there that that weren't used now and what goes into so they're they're pulling but they should they have to carve them and shape them to be a certain shape.

And a lot of these fit perfectly next to each other in the same way that Inca stones do, where you can't fit a credit card between the stones. Right, so they had to do that to it. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But what's interesting is they didn't make the blocks uniform. Like they didn't have a process by which, okay, we're going to cut the block to be this way and they're all going to be this way and they're all going to be symmetrical no they took the block you know they probably carved out something rough and then they took

the block up to the pyramid and then placed one block down and then they made the next block fit with every angle that it was going to be fitting into. So they individually designed and carved every single block on every single pyramid. And you think that a pyramid like this was built in 20 years back then? Gosh, man, that's a hard one to answer. That one I struggled to. Because the premise at the very beginning of this is that you think that the Egyptians did build this stuff. But it sounds like you think they built it around the timelines that we've been told. Yeah, I'm leading up to something that's really hard to argue against.

I'm kind of building up the whole thing to give an understanding. I'm telling it to you in the order that I learned it all in. So they build the Khafre, they build the, he built Khafre, Khafre builds his pyramid 10 meters shorter than his father's pyramid which is the biggest one of all of them and still the biggest

one of all of them um and he builds the sphinx temple made out of these massive stones i mean some of the some of the limestone blocks that are used in the sphinx temple are bigger than limestone blocks used in the pyramid and then built the sphinx supposedly he built it right and this is probably this right here was probably the biggest construction project that had taken place in egypt thus far then his son menkure builds his own pyramid with his own little mortuary temple but his is probably like 40 the height of his father's, which is Khafre. So now we're on the seventh grand pyramid that, that the Egyptians built. And he, so the other, the other pyramids, the casing stones that are like the flat, smooth casing stones on the outside, these are all made out of limestone.

He decides to take it up a notch and he makes his out of granite. So this granite, I believe it's rose granite. It had to come from something called the Aswan quarry, which is 500 miles away, south of the, um, south on the Nile river, but it's actually in upper Egypt. So Northern Egypt is lower Egypt, Southern Egypt, Southern Egypt is upper Egypt because the Nile runs from south to north. Yeah. Um, anyways, how they move those blocks has never been explained. You know, they say, oh, well they balance these, uh, they balance these 80 ton granite stones on these little river rafts. And now the Egyptians, they didn't like the Mediterranean sea. They're right there next to the Mediterranean. They didn't really sail out into the Mediterranean and use naval war. The Hot Honey McCrispy is so back at McDonald's with juicy 100% Canadian raised seasoned chicken, shredded lettuce, crispy jalapenos,

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They were, they had riverboats. There's no evidence of giant, um, Egyptian ships, ships sailing across the Mediterranean until the Greeks arrive. Egyptians didn't want anything to do with the Mediterranean. They actually had a word for it. That was like a disparaging word. They didn't want to go out into the, into the sea. Um, so they had these little riverboats that aren't very nice. Like you look at Khufu's boat that's apparently built in into his mortuary temple and it's not that nice of a boat so you try to like you could look up like kufu's boat you should actually look it up because i want you to see this um so um yeah kufu's boat

you'll see you'll see this super primitive boat, and then try to imagine a rose granite beam weighing 80 tons not sinking this boat. Is this it? Yeah. Come on. So the greatest pharaoh of all of Egypt. I'll put this in the corner of the screen. Yeah, so the greatest pharaoh of all of Egypt. This is supposedly his mortuary boat,

which is a giant boat as far as how long it is. It's not that wide, but it's not that far removed from what the Egyptians would have used to move these blocks. So you're talking about trying to put a rose granite block that weighs 80 tons. And I mean... And how many blocks approximately are going into a pyramid like that? Okay, so on Menkaure's pyramid, all of the casing stones across the entire outside of the block are all rose granite. I believe they're rose granite. All of the inner chambers that I believe the red pyramid, which is Senefru's red pyramid, Khufu's pyramid, and Khafre's pyramid, the inner

chambers are also, at least the king's chambers are also made out of rose granite that weigh anywhere between 20 and 80 tons a piece. And what's really interesting is that in the king's chamber, which is the great pyramid, that's Khufu's pyramid. In the king's chamber, it has a five layered ceiling. It has relieving chambers. And each of the blocks in those relieving chambers are estimated to weigh about 80 tons a piece. So imagine you're building something, you're taking these blocks, you're not using these 80 ton red granite blocks as the foundation of your project, you're putting them in the ceiling of a chamber that's up into the middle of the pyramid. So you're raising it up and they use the heaviest blocks as the ceiling of their chamber.

Okay. But a Pharaoh does all of this and he doesn't carve his name anywhere inside of it. He does way more than his father did. Khufu, who built the great pyramid. He does, he does, I say way more, but he builds it. He builds a pyramid that's much more impressive than any of his father's pyramids, but he doesn't put his name anywhere. The same way his father didn't put his name anywhere than any of his father's pyramids, but he doesn't put his name anywhere, the same way his father didn't put his name anywhere in any of those three pyramids.

And then Khufu doesn't put his name anywhere in his pyramid. And then Menkaure doesn't put his name anywhere in his pyramid. So this is a huge mystery. Is it possible, this might be a really dumb question, but is it possible that they did at some point and it was removed? Oh, no. No, because if they were going to, they would have put it – no, no, it's not possible. Okay. Because it would have been carved into the walls, and there's no evidence that, like, the wall – that the walls have been carved away to you know hide something that would have been carved in there if that makes sense yeah yeah yeah well that's what i

was looking for yeah yeah so i look at i looked at all of that and then i thought i thought wow so the sakara pyramid that's built out of blocks that are pretty modest in size that a strong man could pick up each block and lay them down. The Saqqara Step Pyramid, the first one we talked about, definitely built by the Egyptians. Definitely could have been. Everybody agrees on that. Then you get to the Pyramid of Maidum. It's like a collapsed pyramid.

People aren't really sure about that one. Then you get to the Bent Pyramid that has giant megalithic, giant stones. And it also has granite inside of the pyramid as well. You look at all of that and you're like, whoa, that's a huge step up from the Saqqara step pyramid. How did they do that? There's no explanation for that. And there's also no mortuary temples that say who this pyramid, who this, what Pharaoh built this pyramid, like the step pyramid does. Doesn't happen in the Bent Pyram pyramid does doesn't happen to the bent pyramid doesn't happen in the red pyramid doesn't happen in the great pyramid doesn't happen in kufu's

pyramid doesn't happen in menkure's pyramid there's nobody signing their name you would think a pharaoh would sign their name and say who built it so then that leads you know 20 year old me and i'm thinking yeah this could be like an ancient lost civilization that existed 12 000 years ago that built this you know i see all these other things that line up the oh so now you're going off your timeline yeah yeah yeah so so you know me when i'm first really diving into this i'm like i'm like yeah okay i see this i see this being you know uh a civilization that existed 12 000 years ago gobekli Tepe was just discovered. That's 9,500 BC or something like that. The Sphinx, I mean, there are geologists that are

saying, yeah, this is at least 10,000 years, at least 7,000 to 10,000 years of water erosion weathering this out. Oh, if the Sphinx was a lion and it was facing the constellation of Leo, well, then that kind of lines up there as well. And there's all these things that line up. But then I get super deep into studying Egyptology, and I learned that the Bent Pyramid is a really big wrench in that argument. Because inside the Bent Pyramid, where I said that's what people mostly agree on, oh, the roof was going to collapse in, so they made mostly agree on. Oh, the roof was going to collapse in. So they've made it more shallow. Well, the roof was going to collapse in and they took, if you go into the bent pyramid, which nobody's allowed in there, other than like special access, but even then maybe not anymore, because that thing is about

to fall in. There is a archeologist, Egyptologist named Bob Brear who's like or bob yeah bob briar who is one of the best professors that's ever lived especially in egyptology you know he's i don't know if you know if you're familiar with zahi awas but he's like super corrupt you know very familiar yeah yeah not a fan yeah bob briar is nothing like this guy i went on a i went on a little rant about sahi oh did you in episode one with matt yeah okay okay um i don't like that guy oh yeah yeah i think i i remember that um so anyways um yeah bob briar is nothing like zai yawas but bob went into the bent pyramid and took like more photos inside the bent pyramid than i've ever been taken before and i think some people have gone like ben from uncharted x are you familiar with very

familiar with i think ben did a great episode with danny yeah yeah i'm looking forward to seeing that yeah um i think ben has been in there and i'd be interested in talking to guys like this but here's the big problem that i see with all of this. When you go into the Bent Pyramid, when you climb up through the 55-foot chamber that's in the middle of the Bent Pyramid that's causing it to be unstable because there's so much, there's such a big cavity inside the Bent Pyramid, all that pressure's coming down on it. What happened when you go down in there and look at it and what Bob Breyer saw, and there are photos of it, there are dozens and dozens of cedar wooden beams that are built into the chamber, built into the rocks. They were built at the exact same time. As the rocks were being placed, these cedars were

being put in there. And these are cedars of Lebanon. Have you ever heard that term before? It's something that's referred to a lot in the Bible because it's like the strongest tree in the world. It's some of the strongest bark in the world. It's strong enough that it can cause the ceiling of this pyramid to not fall in. They go and date those trees. They date back about 4,500 years into ancient Lebanon. So what it looks like is that while they were building it, they knew this ceiling was going to fall in. And so Senefru sends an expedition out because he knew of these giant trees that were super strong that could kind of bend a little bit that are out in Lebanon. He sends an expedition out there. And this is kind of one of the few times where we see evidence. And in Lebanon, there's also evidence that cedars of Lebanon were sold to Egypt. It's not just on this case, it's in many, many cases. They were ordering cedars of Lebanon to be sent

over. And so they took these cedars of Lebanon and they built them into the ceiling of the inner chambers of the Bent Pyramid to keep it from collapsing in. And when you go and look at it, when you go and look at it, architects, all architects agree that have seen it. These are built at the same time, just the way it's built into the stone. The other argument is if they were put in later on, you know, say the Egyptians came in and they, you know, say the pyramid had been there for, if it was built in 10,500 BC and the Egyptians came in 2,500 BC, that means it had been there for 8,000 years. And then they go in and they, what's the likelihood that these Egyptians will go into this pyramid that's been sitting there for 8,000 years and look up in the ceiling and be able to diagnose, hey, this needs to be repaired. Let's go get cedars of Lebanon and put them in the ceilings.

And if the ceiling needed to be repaired, would it have lasted 8,000 years? Probably not. So we have this really strange conundrum of things where, okay, so all of the biggest and best, and I don't just mean the pyramids. I mean all of the biggest and best ancient architecture and ancient stone masonry work that's done in Egypt. All of it is not inscribed. There's no inscriptions on any of it anywhere. There's no pharaoh that we know. You know pharaohs are vain. You know they're into themselves.

And they want to sign their names on everything. Yeah, of course. But they don't do that. But then at the same time, there are cedars of Lebanon that were built into a pyramid that is built in exactly the same way as all of the other pyramids that weren't inscribed with cedars of Lebanon that are 4,500 years old. Invariably, they are 100% that the trees are that old, at least. So, you know, you have these two things that are like working against each other, you know,

and it's funny that that's like, that's like the only thing that holds me back from saying, yeah, an ancient civilization that's never been found may have built the pyramids is those cedars of Lebanon. How do you get around explaining that? And I haven't heard a good explanation, and I'd love to, but that fascinates me enough. You know what I mean? I just love ancient Egypt and ancient civilizations and ancient mysteries enough that it all fascinates me. I'm not going to hold on to my opinion and be like, no, no, no, don't change my opinion.

Sure. like gonna hold on to my opinion and be like no no don't don't change my opinion you know sure so that's kind of uh that's the super long-winded explanation of how the pyramids were built and the mysteries around so if i understand it your big your big reasoning as to why all the pyramids have to fall into place like ducks in a row built by the Egyptians across this period in, you know, 2500-ish BC is because of the bent pyramid with the cedars of Lebanon. That's like – That's the canary in the coal mine for you. Yeah.

I mean there's other little things like, you know, in some of Khufu's mortuary temples that are around his pyramid and then even um inside the pyramids like like uh up at the i think up at the top of the pyramid they pulled back one of the blocks and there's like graffiti on the inside of the block that was covered up and there's all kinds of little stuff that that um people that were working on the pyramids like they say like kufu's gang was here you know people that people that worked for Kufu. And so there's like graffiti that's hidden on the backsides of these blocks where they pull the block out and they find, oh, this isn't like, this isn't like artisan writing. This is just a normal guy who's not an artist writing something like scraping his name on there. So it's like a group of guys,

it's like Kufu's gang was here. We did good work today. Such and such person was here, visited this place. And then so you look at that and then you look at relative dating of nearby tombs and the pottery that they had. So pottery is a huge thing in archaeology. It's how we, you identify a certain style of pottery that's found at these tombs with biological evidence that still remains. You're able to date that evidence. Okay, we figure out how old this is. Now we watch the pottery evolve and watch people move in different places because they're always taking pots with them to hold their food and water and everything. So you watch the pottery evolve and the way the pottery evolves all through relative

dating. And I won't deny it's scant. Like, as scant as my argument is that the Egyptians did build it, it's equally as scant that they didn't. It's like two different things working against each other, you know? But yeah, all in all, in a simple way, I find myself thinking that the pyramids are not the best example of an ancient lost civilization that existed 12,000 years ago. I don't think they're the best example of that. And I think it's the anthropologists in me from like, university is screaming saying this, because, you know, other people would would freak out if they heard me say this, but I just think it's slightly more likely that the Egyptians did build it. Okay. So you have your canary in the coal mine.

You're also, you're looking at some of the graffiti holes there as well. Yeah. In your defense, the distance that they had to take some of these things wasn't too, too far for certain things. Only for the limestone. Yeah, yeah. For the limestone. For the granite, they're taking it 500 miles. And that's the next thing.

The granite is the problem though because then you have a pyramid that's built a similar size or bigger or slightly smaller, whatever it is. Then the limestone built from granite that, again again i'll put this picture in the corner of the screen but this boat is supposed to carry there and i like you i don't know how that doesn't sink it if they did yeah but yeah you're also saying that i'll speak for one of the examples you gave you said could be a 20-year period in which it's built. And right now, again, I'm not looking at the number of stones that goes into each of these, but it's... It's like 2.3 million in the Great Pyramid, something like that. 2.3 million.

Yeah. Okay. It's crazy, huh? 2.3 million stones. Mm-hmm. 2.3 million stones in a time when there wasn't, allegedly, any technology to lift them. It's humans, whether they're slaves, not slaves, just workers, or both. It's humans lifting this stuff. Yeah, I'm sure they're working every day.

I'm sure they're working 12-hour days, sunup to sundown, whatever. But let's call it 14-hour days, 15-hour days. But the idea that that all could have been done in that type of time period with the perfection of not even being able to fit a credit card in between some of these crevices and to have it physiologically, like the physics of it, so perfect that outside the one example with the cedars of Lebanon potentially them needing to fix something, all these things stand perfectly today. And whether all the storms the mother nature's thrown at them, it doesn't add up to me how that could have been built all in that time period, how all these could have been built in that time period.

I totally agree. I totally agree. A lot of that evidence, or evidence, but a lot of those stories, which we call internal evidence in archaeology, a lot of that comes from Herodotus. And so Herodotus... Herodotus?

Yeah, I want to say this is 900 BC, or maybe it's like 450 BC. Herodotus is a historian that comes from Greece, and he visits Egypt, and he has all these chronicles of his travels in Egypt, and he goes to see the pyramids, and he talks to the priests that are there. Now keep in mind, if he went in 900 BC, which it may have been 450 BC instead. So at the closest that he was to the construction of the pyramids, he was about 1500 years off. He's 1500 years late to the building of the pyramids. But he's going around asking the priests about it, and they're telling him stories. So that 20-year cycle or that 20-year time period that it took to build that, that's just something that a priest said 1,500 years later to Herodotus, which we take as truth.

So, you know, it seems like... Again, stories passed down. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Exactly. You know, so much stuff is going to be wrong. Now, the great thing about studying the old world is like, you know, when we're talking about the new world, it's very like, well, here and there, it's like, you know, it's all so vague. In studying the old world, like, we know a lot, you know, and there's just a lot more, there's just these big mysteries. So we're able to have like concrete conversations about it. That's why it's, that's why it's wildly more more popular because it's easy to digest, right?

But a lot of these stories come from our understanding of ancient Egypt and the stories of who exactly built these. Like we know the name of Khufu originally from Herodotus himself. He went and visited a priest. A priest took him to Giza and they said, this is the pyramid of Cheops. Cheops is the, um, Egyptian name for Khufu. Khufu is a Greek name. So his real name is Cheops, allegedly. Um, but we just call him Khufu cause that's what he's known as today. So, um, a lot of our understanding in some of these names just come from what the Egyptians said later on. Now, we know that they had writing.

We know that they were writing from the very beginning and they had old papyrus because we found papyrus. Like the Diary of Merere was found somewhere out in Upper Egypt near a granite or limestone quarry. And this guy named Arer was like a chieftain who was working on behalf of Khufu. And he was picking up some kind of granite blocks in this, or maybe he was picking up turquoise. He was at like a turquoise mine or something. But anyways, they break into this mine, modern Egypt – modern archaeologists do a few years ago. And they find this thing called the Diary of Marer. And basically this Diary of Marer is a ledger or a logbook of materials that were picked up on behalf of Khufu and were taken to Khufu's horizon. And you can look this up and people can read it for themselves. So when this first came out, the archaeological headlines were like,

ancient papyrus explains how the pyramids were built, you know, but it doesn't. All it said was that this guy named Merere traveled down to Upper Egypt, which is actually Southern Egypt, on behalf of Khufu to pick up these limestone blocks to take back to a place called Khufu's Horizon. That's all it explains. We have no idea what Khufu to pick up these limestone blocks to take back to a place called Khufu's Horizon. That's all it explains. We have no idea what Khufu's Horizon is. Some people think that it's the pyramids, which some people think it's like the Giza Plateau where the pyramids were built. They call that Khufu's Horizon. Or some people think it could have been his palace, of which we've never found his palace. We know it did exist because every pharaoh has had a palace,

but we've never found his palace. So it's kind of up every pharaoh has had a palace, but we've never found his palace. So it's kind of up in the air as to what that means. So yeah, man, it's just, it's a whole deep, deep web of things. What about around the world though, and how we see these structures all over the place i'm sure you're familiar with the finding off the coast of cuba vis-a-vis like potentially it being atlantis related and there are literal pyramid i'll put that picture in the corner screen but there's literal pyramids that are like under the water the water and that's all i mean that's in cuba yeah right and so like the going back to what we were talking about in the last conversation, the Phoenician

conquest, allegedly, if that happened, was around when again? About 950 BC. Yeah, okay. Around. Around there. So, your timeline for pyramids in Egypt obviously comes before, long before that conquest happened. But then we have pyramids that are alleged to have been built across South America. Now, maybe if the Phoenicians who knew well of that architecture brought that over there,

it could have been built, but, and I'm speaking out of my ass right here but i think some of the pyramids or structures of the like i don't want to get this wrong because i'm not looking at it right now but i so just correct me in the comments people but i think some of the pyramids in south america could be dated as old as well yeah so and then i'm also remembering something matt lacroix said about and i'm gonna get this wrong if i fucking try to remember it but he said something about it's all built many of them are built on like the same parallel yeah within the earth yep how do you explain this when it's worldwide and and i do think like the cuban ones are like god knows how old and they're they're 2 000 meters under the sea how do you explain that that technology is all the

way over here and there if we also in the history we know more about which is the stuff in the middle east and you know east of the the americas we don't have records of them coming from the west to the east there's nothing that I can think of. Again, correct me in the comments if I'm missing something, but there's nothing I can think of that points to even theories that like peoples from the West were able to travel to the East and explain things. So how do you explain the fact that the technology,

the pyramids and the construction and even like the idea behind like the symbolism of it is so similar man it's it that's a yeah man that's that's something i don't know that anybody has the explanation to but um what you're talking about as far as them being along these parallel lines that's so there's this line that runs from actually it starts and it might go it might go more north of petra petra jordan yes yeah that's like a famous yeah yeah so put that picture yeah it's so this is a pretty interesting city but i won't go too into it but it looks like a city that's built for giants into the side of these canyons

in the middle of the deserts in Petra, Jordan. And it wasn't found until like 1912 or something nuts like that. Yeah, it's a very cool looking structure. So there's this line that goes from Petra to Egypt. Yeah, it goes from Petra and then it goes straight over the tip of the Great Pyramid, of Khufu's Pyramid, straight over the tip.

And then, interestingly, it goes over the, I believe, I hope I'm not messing this up, but I think it goes over the Rishat structure, if you know what that is. Yeah, it goes over the Rishat, which a lot of people now believe is where the lost capital city of Atlantis was. But it goes over the Rishat Structure, and then it crosses over the Atlantic Ocean

and goes through South America through the Amazon, and then it goes right over Machu Picchu all the way to Easter Island. So, yeah, yeah. But then there's other lines that go in other directions. But I'm not exactly sure what sites they hit. Like I think they hit sites that are similar to Angkor Wat in Cambodia. You've heard of that. We talked about that.

Was that Matt who I talked about? Yes. Yeah, that was Matt. We talked a lot about Angkor Wat. Yeah, there's one that goes from Khufu's Pyramid over Angkor Wat and a couple other sites. But that's kind of man, I just

have a hard time wrapping my mind around is that coincidence? Is it not? Is it coincidence? Is it like a half coincidence where this is when, as somebody who's a half coincidence where this is when – as somebody who's an anthropologist, this is the way I approach it. And somebody who's open-minded where I can see – it's kind of – did you see Oppenheimer, the movie?

I haven't yet. Oh, my God. I have to go see it. You have to go see it. So there's a part where I think he's at Oxford and he wants to start studying – I think it's quantum physics or relative physics. And his professor is like asking him, he's like, do you have what it takes to be in my program?

And it's not like, he says, it's not about whether you can read or write music. He says, can you hear the music? Can you hear the music before it's written? And so with archaeology, it's kind of one of these things as well. Like you get this, okay, like archaeology is puzzles. That's all it is. It's just like physics. It's like anything else. It's puzzles. I can feel the connection between two things. Like I can feel a connection between why Jordan, the Great Pyramid, the Amazon, Machu Picchu, and these other Inca sites that are right there next to it,

and Easter Island are all along this parallel line. I can't explain it, but I can, you know, feel that there's some kind of connection there. Now, from an anthropological, archaeological point of view, my first instinct would be somebody who's really interested in looking into this, and maybe this is something I'll do one day, try to find a definitive explanation for this. My guess would be all of these sites, we know all of these sites were astronomers. They all follow the stars. That was like paramount in the ancient world, even all the way up to the time of the Spanish. Like Oriana used the stars to get back to Spain. So the stars were very important and i would guess

that there's some kind of reason that civilizations built um important sites along these certain lines probably has something to do with the way the constellations in the sky are um in the way people would align their civilizations in certain places there's some kind of strange connection there because like you look at angora watt angora watt isn't as old as as the great pyramids by any shot we know yeah exactly who built angora watt but it still falls on that line um so that's that's and then there's other civilizations that are like that like in in asia we know how old a lot of these are because the history was well preserved, but they still kind of follow some of these strange mysteries.

And my first thing is what's something that connects all of them? Astronomy. They're all looking at the stars. So my guess would be there's some explanation there that has to do with them following the stars, and they all have some kind of similar understanding. They all probably noticed the same thing. Like for instance, the Maya and the Sumerians and the Cambodians all followed Venus. They're the three civilizations that, they're the only three civilizations that followed Venus

and they had Venus temples that were to follow Venus. So you know the five-sided star? That only comes, like the five-sided star, our American five-sided star, that star is not natural. There's nothing that's five-sided that's natural. Oh, that took a minute to go upstairs. Sorry. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, it's okay. So like the six-sided star is natural. The eight-sided star is natural. Four-sided is a square, obviously. But a lot of these things are natural the only thing that's not natural is a five-sided star the if an ancient civilization shows a five-sided star anywhere in their iconography it means they were following venus because where venus comes up

in its solar and not its solar cycles but its astronomical cycles if you follow it the places that it comes up in the sky people who study, it makes a five-sided star over the course of a year when it arrives like on the horizon and the way it sets. I'm not an expert in exactly how that works, but I know that a five-sided star is indicative of a civilization following Venus. And that only happened with the best astronomers in the ancient world, which are the Maya, the Sumerians, and the Cambodians, all of which nobody thinks were connected civilizations. So you see these civilizations doing similar things. But the constellation possibility – because like we use the word coincidence and we start to be like, okay, when is this getting to be too much of a coincidence? But when you back it with, hey, they're looking at similar things in the sky, even if they're looking at it in different patterns, calling them different things. Some of the – I'm just going to use a bullshit example right here.

But like we know the North Star is the North Star or something like that. And maybe that's why they then build these structures. But if they're building them, they're building them in relation to what they see in the sky, which I'm taking a leap here, but could therefore also probably be some sort of symbolism towards their religion, like towards what they view as God. Yeah. But you're talking about cultures in different places that had entirely different religions. Some that worshipped multiple gods, some that worshipped one. One thinks that a god is maybe the man in the sky versus the other one thinks the god is like the sun or something, and yet they all point to the stars in a way that like, it's almost like a laser beam could go right at them. How does that line up?

I don't know. I don't know. It's a very hard question. I don't expect you to know it. Yeah, it's just one of the great mysteries of ancient history that wraps people up in this world. That question right there is why people get obsessed with this because it's more fun than a normal job.

Real quick, to all my Discord people out there, the Julian Dory discord is officially live. I put the link down in the description below. So go hit that join the community and say what's up. There's all kinds of features in there. And I look forward to hearing from you guys. Let's get it popping. Yeah, it's funny that this is the kind of stuff I was never into until a couple years ago. You know, I think it kind of hits you all at once because when you're you know when you're 20 years old i mean i'll speak for myself like when i was 20 years old i don't know i i wasn't thinking about the meaning of it all and whatever i'm thinking about the next party and like having a good time and hopefully getting a good job in a couple years but then there's something that happens in i guess like shortly after you get out of college where you're

like wait a minute and i find this with a lot of other people i've spoken to who got into it you know they start asking these questions more than but you know the the everything that you're saying you're building a case with evidence. Like, I really appreciate it. And can't say you're wrong, but there's evidence that points in so many different directions. And there's evidence to things that we can't even concept that get ridiculous. You start talking about like aliens or whatever.

We'll get to some more of that. Yeah, yeah. But like, I don't know if there's, like one thing I haven't asked with the pyramids so far in the conversation is some of the utility of them. You've touched on it yourself. But the ones in Egypt, what were the uses for these? Because a lot of the movies get it wrong.

They call them all crypts and stuff like that. But that's not really what it was. So what are the reported uses of them? Yeah, well, first off, I appreciate you saying saying that i back some of my things with evidence i i try to um it's it's tough because you know i came into this world of studying ancient history um from more of like the skeptic side of being into all these mysteries and kind of believing more of the what archaeologists call fringe um but i've kept that sense of wonder the whole time i've gotten into it but you know you get deeper and deeper and deeper and the truth you realize the truth is neither here nor there

it's somewhere in the middle right and so a lot of these guys in my space they come in with some of like the most out there theories and they're real hard behind them. But, you know, somebody who's like a layman listening to it might not understand why it's not accurate. But for somebody who has a more orthodox understanding of history, you can kind of see some of the holes in it. And so, you know, the way I try to approach things is I don't want to be able to, I don't want to come on here and talk about ancient Egypt without having some kind of background knowledge of ancient Egypt. You know, that doesn't mean, that doesn't mean that, it doesn't mean somebody has to have a degree like I do. That just means

like, okay, you want to talk about the mysteries of the old, of the old kingdom pyramids and how they could have been built by different civilization. Who was the last Pharaoh of the old kingdom? And if you can't answer that why are you having a conversation with me about it you need to I'm not talking to you but I'm just saying you don't even know what you're talking about how could you have an argument when you don't know

the fullest extent of the orthodox side well that's also the danger of what of like the industry I'm in and it's not just podcasting it's like the danger of like the internet and having in. And it's not just podcasting. It's like any, it's the danger of like the internet and having a microphone or a reason to put stuff on there. You know, I feel like a lot of people aren't checking their background knowledge at the door

is a better way to put that. But you know what I mean? You know, in what I do, sometimes I feel like when people reach out to me in DMs and ask me specific questions about stuff, I appreciate the fact that they're engaged, but I'm also like, a lot of times I'm like, why are you asking me this? I am a podcaster, bro. I'm bringing people on to try to explain it to me and me challenge them and make them have to defend it. My job is not to know, but it's good for you to say that because, God, it seems like everyone's an armchair expert on every goddamn thing these days.

And I'm not even saying it's intentional. are like bad people or like being an asshole about it but like there's you feel compelled to have to comment on all this stuff and not put things behind it and like if i get but especially when i get things wrong which does happen all the time like i'll correct it i'll be like oh fuck i missed that one i was on a podcast recently where i cited a story that turned out to i believe based on the evidence we looked at i'm pretty sure it's like fake news. It was something like purported by China's state-run media arm. Okay. And then it was, that was clearly something they were putting out for like propaganda.

Yeah, yeah. It wasn't true. But like, you know, I feel like a lot of people aren't leaning into, shit yeah we we weren't we weren't right about that one or oh you know i i missed that one whereas my attitude's always been like all right well let's fucking pull it up and figure out if if this is bullshit or not yeah you know and and in your type of field any field but like in yours you need more people who are willing to do that and you need more people like you who can come in here with things that they clearly have expertise on, but also point out the fact, like, when we're talking about ancient history, how many, we're talking about the whole world. Yeah.

You're not an expert on everywhere in the world. You may have a generalized knowledge of a lot of stuff because you're crazy and study all this stuff all the time, but, like, you're not, I appreciate you not pretending to be fucking professor x on every goddamn thing yeah yeah well thank you yeah i i certainly appreciate that okay so uh pyramid utility yes so um i love how i don't have to transition it back in you know where you are it's great um so uh pyramid utility so man that's kind of that's kind of the pitfall of the um lost civilization community is you know they look at and i man i put my i'm gonna put myself in that group because i think there's plenty of crap out there that's like well how do we explain this this could have been built 12 000 years ago years ago. Certainly Gobekli Tepe almost was that old. But in that community, there isn't an explanation as to what they would have been other than tombs.

People just go, no, they definitely weren't tombs and they definitely weren't built by the Egyptians. But look at all this evidence that points towards how old they are, but they don't really answer that question of what their utility would have been. And that's okay. They don't have have to have it they don't really have to have an explanation for that i'm not asking them to come up with an explanation um but you look at the interior architecture of them and how strange the chambers are have you ever seen like a diagram of the inside of the of kufu's pyramid or khafre's pyramid or maybe yeah yeah it's you can pull it up it's it's very odd and so um one of the most common explanations is the is that they may have been like a water pump that there could have been water pumping in and out of them to uh help agriculture or help cultivate agriculture um yeah so you see the inside of this so some

people think some people subscribe to the like the ram pump theory which one do you want uh maybe like the top right one top right yeah maybe okay we'll put this in the corner of the screen go ahead exactly the easiest to to um see but it's very odd the way that it's built and uh there's not exactly a perfect egyptological orthodox explanation of of why it's built like this like why it's built like this anyway so you see the slanted interior that's called the that's the grand gallery when you're pointing to this slanted interior are you talking about the white space right yeah yeah yeah the white space the large one the thicker one yeah that's the grand gallery there's really no known usage of that that egyptologist put forth okay and then what that leads up to which you see like the little uh it's like a little raised part um like a temple kind of look yeah yeah it's kind of like a temple

on the inside they don't have an well i mean they say that that's that's the king's chamber where where kufu would have been buried his name's not in there and there is a sarcophagus in there um and the sarcophagus was certainly put in the um it was certainly put in that chamber at the time that it was built here's a really interesting thing so whoever built it didn't want that sarcophagus to be taken out of the pyramid because the entrances, the one entrance into that chamber is smaller than the sarcophagus itself. So the sarcophagus wasn't moved in there, it was built in there and then the roof was put on. So it's really interesting. So we know that

that sarcophagus was in there the day that the ceiling was put on the king's chamber, which alludes to it being a tomb, right? Now, I don't really see any arguments against that either, any sufficient arguments saying, you know, if it wasn't a tomb, well, why is that sarcophagus in there? So, some of the other usages areages are like what I believe, what I've come to believe now, and it's a little bit disappointing. Like I'm going to be honest. The 20-year-old me is a little bit disappointed that 26-year-old me is like, yeah, they're tombs, but they're really freaking elaborate tombs that we can't explain how they were

built. People can't forget that. The mystery is still there, but probably it was a tomb. What the other theories of the usages are is like a ram water pump. So Egypt obviously is not in an abundance of water outside of the Nile. So they have to build these machines called Shadoofs. Oh, dude, speaking of the word machines, Herodotus comes and visits Egypt. Greek guy. Yeah, comes and visits egypt yeah comes and visits uh egypt in either 450 bc or like 900 bc and one of the priests tell him and we know that they have writing this is what i was getting at with the

diary of maria i i kind of lose my track a little bit because i go down all these rabbit holes that's all right um there's a lot of that what he was talking about with the the diary of maria we know that they were writing things down all the way back to the time of the supposed building of the first pyramid. So it's likely that's why – okay, now I'm getting it all together. So I said that because it's still probable that the priest that Herodotus spoke to was probably reading documents that were written and rewritten from back at the time of the Great Pyramids because they were writing back then. And so the documents were passed down, passed down, passed down. Herodotus shows up in either 900 BC or 450 BC, meets with this Egyptian priest who takes him to Giza, and he tells Herodotus that the pyramids were built with machines.

He literally says machines. That's not disputed by anybody. And do we know what he could have been referring to with that? Nope. There's no adequate explanation. It just says machines. The reason I remember that is because another thing that's referred to as an Egyptian machine is a shadoof, which is something that brings water from the Nile River. Like sometimes they were on cliff sides, especially in Upper Egypt, which is South Egypt.

A lot of it's cliff sides. So they built these shadoofs, which were ancient Egyptian machines to be able to bring the water up from the Nile all the way up on top of the cliff that they were on to help grow their crops. That made me think of machines. So that's another little nugget

that alludes towards something else being used, but it doesn't allude towards something that's an ancient lost civilization when Herodotus himself said that there were priests in Egypt that were telling him that the pyramids were built using machines. But we don't know what those machines were.

I'm trying to think what, yeah, I'm trying to think what types of simple explanations that someone could call a machine. Because like machines to us could be everything from you know a quantum computer someone's trying to build right now which is insane shit all the way down to like a pulley right yeah so i'm trying to yeah it could have been like levers you know that's what a shadoof was it was a lever pulley system but what type of lever could be built that could handle the weight oh man that's what i'm trying to put together have

you ever seen have you ever seen these like modern day bulldozer tractor things try to pick up blocks limestone blocks that are the same size no i've definitely never watched that okay there are videos that you could pull up that other people can pull up of like a it's like a it's not a tractor but it's like a cat machine like the things that scoop up things that are heavy like big blocks okay and it's trying to lift up a limestone block that's the size of a very large limestone block that would have been used um in the great pyramid or on on the pyramids and it's so heavy that the block actually lifts up the tractor rather than the tractor lifting the blocks i have a video right here so let's put it up on the screen if i can't put this in the corner of the screen that's going

to be because it's well this isn't this isn't the one i was thinking of um yeah that doesn't look like a lot it looks like a fucking mattress no no yeah yeah no um that's it right there right there cat bulldozer trying to lift heavy rock yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah. So the rock lifts the bulldozer, dude. And that rock is roughly the same size as some of the blocks that would have been used. No fucking way then. Yeah, it's hard to believe, isn't it? It's hard to believe. You have all this conflicting evidence.

Yeah, well, that's the word because even even where you stand and you admit it and people on the other side should admit it too there's significant evidence pointing to each other right pointing to one or the other this is and and i'm i'm simplifying it right now group a is is it was built in 2500 in Egypt by the Egyptians. They fucking figured it out. Group B is anything else, right? So whenever it was built, whoever did it, however, but some sort of intervention, whatever it is.

Dude, that's crazy. This is nuts. Yeah. Again, if I can't put that in the corner of the screen, maybe you'll be able to see a small part of it on our screen here in the studio because I could definitely do that and not get tagged, I think. But wow. Yeah. here in the studio because i could definitely do that and not get tagged i think but wow yeah yeah so so i should preface though the block in that video i've seen this video a few times the block

in that video is an exceptionally large block even for the egyptians but the egyptians did move blocks that big so that's it's it's it really, really hard to explain. So from my point of view, I think, yes, the Egyptians did it. The timelines could be wrong. But if the timelines are wrong and they did it even before then, it gets like they're even less advanced. Yeah, yeah. So it's – yeah, it's, it's, it's hard to, um, it's hard to wrap your,

to wrap your mind around. And you covered in some, and I'm just trying to remember, because we just went through a ton. You covered some of the whole like power source possibility right there, right? No, I didn't talk about the power plant, but I think that that's like, that's what I'm looking for. Power plant. Yeah. I think the Giza power plant. Um, I think that that's like that's what I'm looking for, power plant I think the Giza power plant I think that's Chris Dunn's book I've never read Chris Dunn's book but I think that his power plant theory is pretty

like most people don't really buy into it it doesn't stand with a lot of weight on it I think Danny just had him in too how does he try to explain that i think he i think he ties in um he alludes to the fact that there's like underground river chambers that are running underneath giza and he draws a parallel between that and nikola tesla's

um tower like his electricity tower that was built on top of like these underground rivers to use as electricity um but i don't really i don't really know much about the giza power plant theory other than that it's just not something that like off the bat that i'm like that i think is even a little bit remotely possible all right so we won't stay on that at all i am i gotta listen to his podcast with him i'm definitely definitely going to listen to that podcast. And I'm interested in it, but like, dude, I have so much stuff that I'm studying that like the Giza power plant just isn't like the top of my list. Fair, fair.

And I think even people who are in like the skeptic community don't really subscribe to the Giza power plant theory either. What do you... Because I think electricity is like that's our thing that's our civilization's thing you know what i mean i don't think that you know well then then there's the baghdad battery have you ever heard of that the baghdad battery yeah there's some kind of like uh there's an i won't spend too long on this because i think matt talk about because i'm not i'm not an expert on this um but there's a thing called the baghdad

battery which theoretically people look at it and it it has the makeup of a modern day battery with the correct materials to be able to conduct electricity could just be coincidence might not be coincidence but anyways i think that um electricity is kind of that's kind of our thing that's our recent thing that you know thomas Edison and everything – or maybe he was a light bulb. I'm sorry. Yeah, Edison was a light bulb. But – Ben Franklin discovered electricity.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Man, that guy did a lot. Holy crap. Yeah, man. Dude, I went through a whole rabbit hole. We won't get stuck on this, but my second favorite thing is American history. Very cool. a whole rabbit hole we won't get stuck on this but um my second favorite thing is american history and so there you go like from revolution to world war ii and man founding fathers did a lot yeah people don't realize gangsters yeah people people talk like i find it funny nowadays when people talk down on the founding fathers and like you realize you're talking down on like the

equivalent of aristotle listen they they really and i don't think it's revisionist history to be like hey americans america is the greatest ever i think it's like pretty legit that some of the things that they i won't even say had foresight for but you could even say that at the very least that they created language in that document, the Constitution, for to be able to protect against in the future. Now, obviously, we've had to change things. There's been a bunch of amendments. Like, nothing's perfect. But, like, as far as the things that they built into that document to help us so far into the future yeah it blows my mind oh yeah like the genius

of that document cannot be understated yeah it's just these guys i mean look they were a rabid they were a rabid bunch of rebels who said let's fuck around it's a seat yeah like you got to be a little crazy and like a little smart and a little stupid and a little ballsy all at the same time. And they were all like morally ambiguous guys. I mean you look at Thomas Jefferson. He was not a good guy. He was not a good person. No, he was not.

He grew up – he was such a bad guy. This is the guy who wrote the Constitution. Declaration of Independence. Yeah, Declaration of Independence. And then did he help write the Constitution after Declaration of Independence. Yeah, Declaration of Independence. And then did he help write the Constitution after that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Third president. So he was such a bad guy, and I don't mean to derail on this.

No, we can go off for a minute. We'll come back to our other stuff, people. Yeah, he was such a bad guy. He grew up on his property in Charles, Virginiales charles virginia something like that something like that and um and i i was i went to his plantation last year and charlottesville right charlottesville that's right yeah same place that the um the waltons was filmed you know the waltons are it's like an old tv show kind of like andy griffith but um he grew up on that plantation. And when he was a kid, he was very liberal for how, you know, however liberal you can be in the early 1700s, right? So he was liberal enough to look

around at slavery and be like, this is wrong, you know? And so he wrote about slavery being wrong. And then his parents die, he inherits his plantation and keeps all of his slaves. And fucks them all. Yeah, and doesn't let any of them go free at all, not even his children. Not even his half, like, his slave children. And slavery is something that, like, was such a fucking horrible, like, it's the worst black eye on our history without a doubt. And I look back on it with some of these guys because let's call

what it is some of these founding fathers were slave owners there's no defending that i think the stupid for as smart as some of these guys were the stupidity of like humanity and progress there's some there's some leaps i can make to... I'm trying to think how to say this. Not forgive that, but understand that there was a stupidity of the times. And, you know, there's things we do now that I'm sure humans 500 years from now will think is absolutely savage, right? Yeah. we do now that I'm sure humans 500 years from now will think is absolutely savage, right? Yeah. And, I mean, I don't think we have anything like that, at least in America, but Jesus Christ. That said...

That we know of. That we know of. Jefferson was a whole different level. Yeah. You know, like he, as you said, like he ended up going against it and keeping all of them and making them work, and then he was forcing them to have sex with him and stuff. I mean it's really just – you can't defend that. But he was also exceptionally bad among the founding fathers.

You go into his house and you look at his dinner table. His dinner table is one-fourth the size of this desk. He didn't have friends that came to visit him. So think about that. You want visitors in the 1700s, you want people coming to visit you. Late or early 1800s is when he died, like 1826 or something like that. 1832, maybe, I think. And you want people coming to visit you. You look at George Washington's table, he had a lot of people coming to visit him. Also freed the slaves when he died.

Yes, freed the slaves when he died. There's a really interesting story, and nobody knows. Oh, my God, bro, I forgot to tell you this. Dude, if you like American history, you've got to go see his plantation. Dude, above his bed is a clock, a Thomas Jefferson's clock. He was obsessed with ancient Egypt. Above his bed is a clock with two obelisks and a pyramid that came from Egypt. And his entire den is covered in artifacts from ancient Egypt, real artifacts. He has textbooks that come from ancient Egypt. He has like mock pyramids that come from Egypt. He has carpets, like tapestries that are up on his wall that

come from ancient Egypt. And it's funny because they depict Egyptians as like these all like, you know, the, you know, the like cartoonish way that they would depict like Africans in the 1800s where they were like solid black skin with the right lips right they had even they even uh depicted egyptians that way in the 1700s that's interesting but he was the same they weren't yeah yeah they weren't this they weren't the same but they weren't like when they would when they would do that to black people they were dehumanizing dehumanizing them whereas in this case they're doing the same thing but they're also like he loved deifying yeah it's weird right very bizarre yeah yeah it's very bizarre um but he loved egypt so much that wasn't the only one though dude oh no no no his his tombstone

i got a picture of this his gravesite is an egyptian obelisk yeah isn't that weird dude the founding fathers were obsessed with obelisks yeah i mean look at the dollar with the eye on the pyramid some weird shit man yeah they were real like and i don't i really don't know much about this stuff i have to go down this rabbit hole and study some of that i've looked at it very lightly but like you know they talk about some of the secret societies these guys could have been involved with not going into details that right now and then you look at how smart some of the things they did in the long term were like we were just talking about a minute ago the

constitution it's some weird shit this is where i start to go like is there some divine intervention going on here which we're gonna talk about in a minute but yeah the american history it's not long but it's quite interesting and it's foundations one one last thing i'll say about thomas jefferson was um when uh george washington died have you ever heard about how he died he got uh he got like uh bronchitis or something like that and yeah i was thinking drained him out of all of his blood and then like wrapped him up in a in a carpet and i don't know stuffed a bunch of stuff up his nose yeah yeah yeah well they were freaking out because the first president of the united states was dying at like 63 years old or 69 years old. He wasn't that old.

Yeah, but then he was old. Back then, that was pretty old. Yeah, I guess so. But they're freaking out because he's dying in like all the best – so he lived in – he lived on Mount Vernon, Virginia. And so not too far from the capital. And so they had some of the best physicians come out and treat him so dude they like injected lamb's blood into his veins and like cut his feet open and like hung him uh hung him i guess like you know normally but they hung him where his where his they were trying to to drain the disease out from his feet um and then they wrapped him up like in a carpet and basically

they just killed him because all he had was like bronchitis and he would have lived. So they killed him. That's nice. So anyways, Thomas – A little conspiracy right there. Thomas Jefferson goes to see Martha Washington. And I think that's his wife's name, Martha. I believe that's correct.

He goes to see Martha Washington and he has a conversation with her after George Washington has died. And it was so bad, something so bad in that conversation happened that Thomas Jefferson was kicked out of Mount Vernon and was asked to never return again. And none of the other founding fathers ever went to go, other than James Madison. They were like best friends. They lived down the road from each other, Thomas Jefferson and James Madison james madison yeah isn't there something they died on like the same night or something john adams john adams so john adams thomas jefferson they were they were rivals and they died on the same day but they've one visited they never visited each other someone they would write each other letters and they kept up with each other later on in their life but they

didn't but they didn't like each other when they were younger. Thomas Jefferson was a vicious, selfish dude, and John Adams was very like... John Adams, I'll go out on a limb and say he was a good man. I don't think he owned slaves. I don't think he owned slaves at all. I think he was very opposed to slavery. He was from the North. And he even, there are conversations that he spoke with Thomas Jefferson and Thomas Jefferson knew,

even when he had slaves, that it wasn't wrong, but he was benefiting off of it. And he and John Adams had conversations where they both agreed to omit the issue of slavery in the Declaration of Independence and in the Constitution because they didn't want an uprising happening in the United States while they were fighting against England. That's one of those things where it's like, oh, it's so bad. And then you look at it and you go, if they hadn't omitted that though, would we even be here? Maybe not. Which is like because england is

all about slavery so that's so it's such a it's such a bad part of our history like in every way it's just it's like one of those things like when you let the devil in the door it's hard to get them out oh yeah you know you the mistake is doing it in the first place and then you reap what you sow with that. And we did, you know, but wow. Yeah. So it's, it's, it's really interesting. But, um, you know, Thomas Jefferson was a vicious dude with a very small dinner table. I mean, figuratively, literally. And, um, and John Adams wasn't that way. John Adams was, was loved by people. And so they were rivals that butted heads against each other. But then later on in life, they became friends through mail. So they started talking to each other.

And yeah, so. Well, that's like the most exclusive club in American history. Yeah. You were there for day one. Yeah, yeah. Isn't that crazy? And so they began having another rivalry of who was going to live longest. And they both died on the same day. That's so interesting. Isn't that crazy and uh so they began having another rivalry of who was going to live longest and they both died on the same day that's so interesting that weird fucking nuts yeah well

we went down this rabbit hole because we were coming off the pyramid and power sources and a couple other things and so we were going to stop talking about the power sources but the the the 500 pound elephant in the room during a lot of these conversations though has been the extraterrestrial uh possibility of things with this and like when i look at the when i look at the pyramids and how they were done and you know people try to fill those gaps and immediately go to stuff like that and say like oh the aliens had to build it i can't say they're wrong also can't say they're right but like what what's your what's your stance on like extraterrestrial life has it been here is it here now did it have anything to do with some of the ancient technology we look at like how do you now we're getting in the real fun parts we're

getting into the real real fun parts right now tinfoil hat on so um okay so i have i have two views of of extraterrestrials and aliens things like that one i'll just address beings that have nothing to do with us that live on maybe i have three different views one i definitely think from a scientific, not religious perspective, that you look at how big the universe is, you look at just how big our galaxy is. Do you know how many planets are in our galaxy?

The Milky Way galaxy? Is this a trick question? No, no, no, no. I could butcher this. There's 100 billion planets just in the Milky Way galaxy. 100 billion. And that's freaking nuts, dude. And then, you know how many galaxies there are that we know of? That we know of. 100 billion.

Yeah. So, you know, what's 100 billion times 100 billion? I don't even know. You know, but that's- So, you are saying, let me complete this for you, you're saying there has to be... Has to be, statistically, has to be. Now, that's my scientist-anthropologist point of view. If I'm coming at it from my Christian point of view, if it turns out that Christianity is correct and that's the one true religion, or Islam or Judaism or anything, it's one monotheistic God. I could also see the explanation that this whole planet was created just for us and all the sun and moon and the

stars were created for us to look at. And it's as simple as that. We're the only ones that were meant to exist. But then I could also see that we're just one creation of a God. We're just one creation in this giant universe and there's tons of other stuff out there that's free to interact with each other and what if what if we're layers way below it too yeah yeah exactly so yeah i mean what if we're not the end all be all of all creations you know i kind of like drift off into this stuff now what do i think of i i've started kind of developing these opinions recently what do i think of like it doesn't have to be little green men in flying saucers flying around, but what do I think of somebody finding us? I think that's very slim chances. Why?

Of being found. Well, you just look at like it's more slim than finding a needle in a haystack. However, I will preface that by saying I've thought about this. There's a scientist that I spoke to over the summer, and I love him. He's an Indian guy. I can never remember his name, though. His name isn't something that I can remember, but he's a freaking genius, and I could listen to him talk for like six hours straight. Turns out that Russian satellites and American satellites are finding bacteria material on the outsides of our space station. So it looks like there's

microscopic, like more than microscopic bacteria, like floating throughout space. And so there's living material that's floating in space that's ending up on the outside of our space stations. Like you wipe it off with a piece of cloth and study it and there's biological material there. So the only thing I can think of is the only way that some kind of civilization out there among the stars to be able to find us. It wouldn't just be like throwing darts in the dark. You know what I us, it wouldn't just be like, you know, throwing darts in the dark. You know what I mean? It wouldn't be that. It would be if they were able to develop a technology where you can look through a microscope and you can see high concentrations of biological material that's living. If somehow that material is coming from space, if you can calculate it and see where

biological material leaves a planet and floats through space so like uh think about like a thermal hunting scope you know how you can see a heat heat uh like the white hot heat uh signatures yes if there's like a biological signature that comes from a galaxy or comes like you know they could probably look at a galaxy because you know some of the stars we look at you don't look at it and think of like, oh, I'm looking at a galaxy. But one little dot, that's a whole galaxy the size of the Milky Way. That's how far away they are. So maybe they look off into space and there's a concentration of biological material.

And I mean we're getting way out there right now. Well, no, but – I'm just saying that would be how I would think that we could be found is if that kind of technology was created. Well, to reel you in for a minute, we're constrained by the laws of physics as we know them. That also, you know, some of them haven't changed in a very long time because the evidence is compiling that they're very real. In my layman head though, I'm constantly thinking about laws of physics not applying to more advanced civilizations.

Like, we haven't been here very long. In the context of time in a galaxy, we're fucking nothing. Yeah. And so, you know, like, I had Michio Kaku in here back in April.

April or May. Do you believe in God? Well, I believe in the God of Einstein. He believed in April, April or May. Do you believe in God? Well, I believe in the God of Einstein. He believed in God, but not the God that intervenes in human affairs. It was the God of order, the God of simplicity and elegance. Einstein was asked the question,

did the universe have a choice? Is it unique? So universes, you can create universes in an afternoon, but most of them are unstable. Most of them fall apart. Most of them don't work. Our universe is stable. It works. Everything fits together. And then the question is, what set off the bang? That's what we do for a living. We have the Big Bang Theory up to the point where the universe is going to explode. Why did it explode? We think it was a quantum event, and we are here because we are in the universe which decided to explode.

So Einstein said, was it all an accident? And he thought, no, it could not have been an accident. And his thought process on the multiverse as a possibility. And he speaks about things in... What I like about him is he's not as defined on some things in the sense that he views them as like... And I'm putting words in his mouth. How to describe it?

This is my own description of it. But he views things as like probabilistic decision trees, right? And so, he makes leaps as a theoretical physicist based on probabilities and is willing to change those opinions as we get new information. But when he talks about a multiverse and there being infinite versions of what we do right here, I translate that to simulations as well, on top of each other. And to actually loop in what you were saying with like your religion and like there being a god and whatever i think that the god above it

at the beginning of everything there has to be something that created it and so i think that's god whether it's the christian god the the muslim god whatever or none of them. There's some beauty that had to create everything, and how that thing began, God knows. But in between us and the God could be, and probably is, in this scenario, infinite numbers of layers and simulations that occur between it. And an all-knowing God, if that's what he is, can have a relationship with all those infinite things at the same time easily and ubiquitously. Yep. So he can love us the same way he loves a – pick a random layer in there.

Yeah, yeah. Right? us the same way he loves a pick a random layer in there yeah yeah right and so if it is also within that that in these foreign galaxies perhaps there's a level of control of the simulation on where we are and we're a video game to them we're somehow within it we at least think we have free will we probably do but then the unexplained things can kind of be tied back to, oh, that's because it all ties together perfectly. Just like you were talking about in our last conversation about there could be a cure for everything in the world. Where there's an evil, there's a cure. Like these types of things that kind of can't be explained other than the balance of nature.

It could be controlled by beings that also may have the ability to traverse galaxies and visit us yeah what i'm not saying that's what it is well what i think you're talking about is um what i think you're talking about is is literally right online with on the line with what is discussed in oppenheimer when he's when him – because these theoretical physicists, these quantum mechanics physicists, they were kind of on the frontier of physics. And they were only – they could feel a connection between two things, but they had to mathematically prove it. And what I think you're talking about right now is something that might not be proven for 500 years. You know what I mean? But I think, but I think at the same time, Nikola Tesla, he was obviously a genius and obviously the FBI knew it because when he died, his house,

all of his studies in his house, in his apartment were immediately raided. Um, you know, they, they confiscated everything, know they tried they tried to bury him because he couldn't be he couldn't be sold out like uh oh man uh thomas edison do you do you know about all the stuff that he did to try to destroy uh nikola tesla i know it i know some of it but please enlighten us yeah yeah So, basically, it's kind of a different rabbit hole, but bring me back to Nikola Tesla and Nikola Tesla's idea of, like, how to figure out problems. So, Nikola Tesla was a God-given genius, you know, if there ever was one. And he invented what is called the alternating current, which is what we use in all of our buildings today.

He invented it from the direct current that was created by Thomas Edison. I hope I'm saying that right. I'm not a Nikola Tesla expert. Correct it in the comments. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's one or the other. But I believe Tesla created the alternating current while working for Edison, who had created the direct current. He created something better. Edison didn't like that. Um, uh, Thomas Jefferson wanted

to, I mean, Thomas, Thomas Jefferson, uh, Nikola Tesla wanted to go out on his own and, um, he wanted to go out on his own and have his own inventions or whatever. And so it was clear cut that the alternating current was better than the direct current. And so they went on this, uh, Thomas Jefferson with like the, I guess the state government or whatever went on this smear campaign. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Thomas Edison went on the smear campaign, um, against Nikola Tesla trying to destroy all of the funding that he might get. And so what he was doing was he would bring these elephants, like he would get elephants from India and from Africa.

He would get them sailed into the U.S. and he'd get these other big animals and he'd take them into the streets and he would basically say, don't listen to Nikola Tesla. His invention of the alternating current causes this to happen. And he'd show some kind of experiment and he would electrocute an elephant to death. But you know what he was doing it with? The direct current that he invented. He wasn't using the alternating current that Nikola Tesla invented. He was using his own invention to electrocute elephants to death in the middle of a town square to smear nikola tesla thomas

edison was a bad man yeah and so anyways nikola tesla was on something else that the powers that be didn't want to get out to the public could it have something to do with like free limitless energy that would destroy, you know, the ability for, you know, higher elite people to charge us for electricity use? Sure. You know, that might be what they were worried about. Because there are stories of like magicians that went, and these could just be rumors, but there were magicians that were friends with nikola tesla that would go out and see him at his like private vacation estate and he had these like rods that he would attach to uh he had these rods that he would attach to light bulbs and he pushed them down in the ground near this generator that he had and it would light the

light bulb so he was like sending electricity through the ground and he basically he has this quote that's like if you were to study something about like waves and frequencies and thoughts we would make more scientific progression in 10 years than we did in the last 100 that's that's butchering his his quote but that's what he's that's what nikola tesla has said i was unaware that the fbi raided his house yeah when he died that is i think it's the fbi but yeah but yeah yeah the government raided his house when he died. That is fucking sinister. I think it's the FBI, but yeah. The government raided his house and took everything.

And he was, he created, that man using the alternating current created more wealth than 99% of people, more than 99% of people who have ever lived. You know how much money he had in his bank account when he died? Not a lot. 88 bucks.

$88. Now, he was old when he died let's point that out he was born in 1857 and died in 1943 so he was an old man yep but awfully convenient that he dies smack dab in world war ii when no one's paying attention like domestic shit going on here. Interesting. I hadn't thought about that. They could very quietly rate anything there, do whatever they want. Did you just look that up? Yeah, because we just pulled up his Wikipedia right here. He died January 1943. Wow. That is some weird shit.

No, that is very interesting. I thought he died in the 50s, so I was ignorant to that as well. That is – yeah. Because I've heard some of these stories before, and I knew Edison was a lot of a fraud and not to say he didn't create anything, but stole other people's work and tried to destroy other people, the elephant story every time. That's so bad. Yeah. So he, um, yeah, he really believed that if we were to study, um, uh,

like waves, currents and, uh, thoughts, something like that, that we'd make more, um, progression scientifically in 10 years than we would in the last 100 or the

last 1000. It was something like, it was something like that. But I find that oddly reminiscent to the actual quote that Oppenheimer's professor gave him that told him, you know, some people can read the music, some people can write the music. He's like, but can you hear the music? And he's basically saying, can you feel a connection between two things? And like, is it internal? Is it in you?

Can you figure it out? And I find that oddly similar to that and so i think you know he believed tesla believed that he was like an antenna for thoughts that were out there in the universe that would come to his mind and so and what is that what is that could be god but that's why i say god is that's why i say i kind of believe god is more like the force than he is like zeus sitting up on a cloud, you know, dictating everything that we do. I think it's more like a force. It's more like an endless abundance of thoughts. And some people open themselves up to this, and they're like an antenna for all of these ideas. And so I think that, you know, all of these things that

you feel that are, you know, when somebody says like, well, there's an endless amount of possibilities and you think like, okay, if there is like, could human beings figure out something like this? I think that's like our antenna, you know, like we're not quite, we're not quite there to where we can arrive to the answer. But I think that we have some kind of intuition that like leads us along the right lines. Like it really starts to vibrate whenever we get close to figuring out something true you know this is getting off on my woo stuff that i never actually talk about but yeah i totally think that there's certainly some dude we we are the we are the most advanced

civilization that we know of i mean we're we have we have people in space you know what i mean so there's something about us that's special there's something about us that's special. There's something about us that's obviously genius. And for any academic or somebody to sit back and be like, nah, human beings don't have the intuition to be able to, or the intuition of the genius to be able to figure out time travel or creating artificial wormholes to move us from point A to point B throughout the universe. I don't know.

I think if you gave us like another thousand years, maybe we'd get there. And I think that – I don't think it's foolish to think that human beings now feeling like that's going to be possible through our intuition. I don't think that that's like a crazy thing to say. Well, maybe I could take this actually then way off the reservation if we're really going to get into this. I don't know. You just made me think of this with that response right there. But have you thought about the future humans possibility, which is tied into multiverse future humans is that where is that where there were oh okay so it's it's our future humans or something that that have created a simulation that put us in a simulation is that is that what that's one way to put it that i mean that could be a possibility i I'm probably horribly summarizing. What I'm going to is, you know, a form of, let's call it what it is, time travel.

You know, and I always use Michu's example to explain this, because I think it makes it the easiest, and it's very important to think of the context. But when he talks about time travel and this possibility, which would be violating like every law of physics even to be able to do it. But he talks about how, for example, if you went back to make – to say Abraham Lincoln from John Wilkes Booth, you would not be changing the present that you came from. You would be creating an entirely different multi-per – So think about the butterfly effects of every possible thing. So future humans come in and they affect different versions of reality and what then happens out of it, which God knows what that leads to and what that all means. But I think about things like the people who another version of the music of the universe speaks to them, like a Nikola Tesla, Nikola Tesla, or stuff like that. And I wonder if some of them are either tapped into that or don't know that they're future humans.

There's some way, and now we're getting crazy woo-woo, but there's some way that they're not even aware of it. And maybe that's their passing so that they can walk among us and can see and hear different things. And then I look at it and I pull myself back to reality and I say, no, there are just some people who are really fucking smart. Which is definitely also a thing. But at what point does it become where the FBI is cleaning out your house when you die with $88 in your bank account because you were that much of a genius? Yeah. Or maybe they're just trying to cover up Freddison's legacy.

It could be something as simple as that. We have to introduce the things that could close these gaps that aren't crazy, right? It could be that. Yeah. But I wonder about, you know, people who are able to experience things. There was – I'm trying to think if I can even say this on camera. There was someone I was speaking to recently who I hope will come in and do a podcast. I don't know.

They're not really a podcast person. But they were talking to me about humans who can, I don't know what the word is, but like tap in to something else that gives them, not like being a psychic, like with the remote viewing and stuff, but actually gives them access to be able to understand things happening around us that you and I can't understand right that's a very vague way of putting it but he was citing an example of a guy who I'm sorry if I got to be really vague about this I hope it comes out okay but he was citing an example of a guy who provably through insane testing has the ability to tap into something. They figured it – like they tested him and he can. Really? But he thinks it's something else.

And I'm not going to say what that is. Again, very vague here. This will come out on an episode someday. Hopefully. Yeah. If this guy comes on and is able to talk about that, which he may not be able to talk about this one on air, but I would love if he could. Interesting. He's able to tap into something else.

And they can't tell him that because then they're afraid he won't be able to tap into it again. And all I think to myself is, is this person different? Like, and does this person not know they're different? And is it just because they're different because they're just born with something different? Or is it because of some weird shit? Yeah. You know, I don't know. Gun to my head, they're just born different, right?

It's not the weird shit. But there's a possibility. Yeah. Because the shit this guy's able to do, if I could say, I can't say what he's able to do, but the kind of thing that makes you sit in silence for five minutes when you hear it. Really?

Yeah. Man. You know what i'm inclined to think sometimes when i think about ancient people sometimes i wonder if if they were that way if if the people who, not all of them, but the people like Imhotep, who, you know, first physician, first architect, first real genius. And you hear all these stories of these ancient Maya, Aztec people, and the Egyptians, Sumerians, the list goes on um i mean dude even think about like ezekiel in the bible and all the things that he saw moses seeing god himself sometimes i wonder like you know where uh where people's pineal glands more open at a certain period in time where there's something there's something out there that's beyond us and all these ancient religions and all of civilization started because people were unbridled and like tapped into something that we're like cut off from today like like i feel like it's logical i feel like our i feel like

our civilization our mindset is so decayed. And I think it's really started since Western first, like the Western first world has come off. Like the biggest evidence of that is shell shock from World War I and World War II. Think about the life that people were living in Midwest United States, living on a farm, going to church every day, or I mean, going to school every day, go to church on Sundays, you know, you milk cows, you're living like a pretty peaceful, not a primitive, not a primitive life, but like, something that is more closely related to kind of like a natural holistic way of living. But then all of a sudden, modern technology shows up, and we start being like a cancer spot on the earth. You know, the Industrial Revolution, we start basically destroying the planet.

All of our food is horrific for us, especially here and all over the world, really. And I wonder, over time, have people, have we just polluted our own minds and bodies I mean it is 100% a fact that our pineal gland which people call like the seat of the soul which the Egyptians were well aware of like you look at the eye of raw and the eye of Horus it is the same shape as the pineal gland have you ever seen this no yeah yeah so look up look up the pineal gland and eye of raw or eye of horus horus is uh spelt h-o-r-u-s and uh it's it's very thought it's thought that um this is done on purpose you'll see you'll see it's like uncanny connection between our the pineal gland and our mind which is where they think that perhaps our soul comes from.

Which one here do you want me clicking? Let's see. Right here? Sure, yeah. Okay, I'll put this in the corner of the screen. So you'd have to kind of zoom in, but on the pineal gland, there's certainly a similarity, but you need to zoom in and really look at it, then you'll see it. It's hard to see it when it's minimized that far away but there's undoubtedly like some weird similarity there

and we know that our modern food and our water is calcifying the pineal gland like when when people get like when autopsies are performed uh especially on like glioblastomas which go like deep into the brain cut the brain in half. They can see that the pineal gland is calcified. My wife calcified. Yeah. Yeah. So it's calcified. Like it, um, I don't know the, I'm not a medical doctor, but, um, yeah, something, something is happening to the pineal gland where it's like dying inside the brain because it comes from water that we drink. Cause it's not happening at other places in the world my wife she's in medical dental school right now and she cut a brain in half and saw that um so we know that the water today is calcifying our

pineal glands and uh you know there are theories out there and there's like scant evidence that that's the seat of the soul and the pineal gland might be our quote-unquote antenna to something else that's out there. And the water that we drink dulls down our connection and has dulled down our connection for over 100 years to that. And so people theorize that that could be our antenna. And certainly it seems like the ancient Egyptians knew something significant about the pineal gland

or knew that it was significant in some way. They had medical doctors. They knew about anatomy. The ancient Egyptians, when they would torture people, you know how when people get liver cancer, they can cut off like 80% of the liver and it'll grow back? Did you know that? No.

Yeah, so if you get cancer in your liver, the reason people can beat it is because they can cut off like 80% of your liver and it will regrow itself. Holy shit. It's the only organ in the body that can do that. The Egyptians knew that. So when they tortured people over time, they cut out half the liver and it'd grow back and they'd cut out it again and grow back and cut it out again. Yeah. Yeah.

So – and I think it can grow back in a year's time, I think. It's been three years since I looked into that. That's wild. Yeah. No, it was early 2021 that I looked into that. But yeah, so I wonder if ancient people who are drinking fresh river water that are eating nothing but chickens and hogs and maize, corn, and vegetables. And they're living a much simpler life that's more akin to probably what Mother Earth intended for us to have

rather than having all of our processed foods that are made on an earth tumor. You know what I mean? Like all of our cities are just earth tumors and so i wonder if we have cut ourselves off from something that ancient cultures clearly seemed like they had look at the stuff that they created in the name of their religion you know well i think we have symbolically disconnected in some ways yeah i mean society, we're in cities, we cut down trees, we're away from nature, right? Mm-hmm. And look, I love it. I mean, look at the wall. Look where we are right now.

Yeah. And there's a lot of beauty in that. But the impact on the world when you compound all of that, all over the world happening in so many places. It's interesting. I don't like to be the negative Nancy and call the entire human race parasites and stuff, though you can. And, like, there's been people on this podcast who have used that term, and I've sat here and said, yeah, because I understand what they're getting at. I don't think that's i i think i don't think

that's the intention i don't think humanity is bad or anything but you know we kind of like we were talking about with something earlier we kind of kick the can down down the road yeah over and over again on certain things and that is really fascinating how you just drew that parallel right there and just thinking about it from the symbolic standpoint of what our society looks like now versus how the earth is actually built to look that is doubly fascinating and then you know it makes you think too about like the different extinctions like do you i assume you look at some of that stuff over time like the history so everyone looks at like the younger dryas period uh they they say

there's six extinctions that have happened on earth and civilizations have been lost like how much do you subscribe to maybe the better way to ask this is how old do you think humanity is um well i think approximately yeah i think uh I think paleoarchaeological evidence, so paleo is just like very, very old. I don't know when the Paleolithic period actually starts and ends, but that would be paleoarchaeology question. And the common consensus is that hominids that are homo sapiens, which is what we are, begin emerging around 200,000 BC, so about 200,000 years ago. Around that same time, you also have the Neanderthals, Homo erectus, Homo habilis, and there's like three or four others that we know of.

And so Homo sapiens that are fully fledged like we are, just as smart as we are. Paleo-archaeological consensus is about 200,000 years. And what's really weird about that is why did it take 194,000 years to build Samaria? Right. I really like, that's one thing is, okay, there is no evidence. There isn't any evidence of a civilization that existed at a hundred thousand BC. Okay. But when I see

professors and stuff say like, you know, heavy hand That is absolutely not possible. All that is pseudo-archaeology. I'm like, really? Really? So, what you're telling me is that in 158,000 BC, there was somebody who was born that had the same IQ as Albert Einstein and did nothing. They didn't do anything that would last for any kind of significant period of time that we can't have archaeological evidence of. There's no possibility that there's archaeological evidence of. Man, I just, that's kind of, that's a tough thing for me to answer, but I certainly think that they did things of significance over the last 200,000 years. But I also can't say that with a lot of confidence because we haven't found the archaeological evidence of it. Although, do you know, like two days ago, they found a wooden structure that's 497,000 years old no i was unaware yeah in zambia now right now it just looks like it's two logs that are stacked next to each other but something about the uh something

about the like luminescence dating they did of it as to how deep it is in the ground. They're able to tell how old it is and they know that it's, they know that it is not natural. And so the archeologists who are there are saying that the wood, that the wood, they believe that it's a part of something substantial. All right. I have this from Smithsonian magazine. Archeologists uncovered notched legs that may be the oldest known wood in

structure. The interlocking pieces found near a waterfall in Zambia date to 476,000 years ago. I said 97, but 476. Before homo sapiens evolved. Yeah. Discovered along the Kalimbo River in Zambia. The simple construction predates the first appearance of Homo sapiens in Africa. The discovery detail in a new paper published Wednesday in Nature

suggests human ancestors built structures made of wood and may have been more complex than previously thought. Holy shit. 476,000 years ago. How crazy is that? Now, there's a lot of archaeologists who think this is going to get shot down in the next couple weeks, that it's not going to be...

Why are we doing that? Why do we have that attitude? I understand you don't want to just be like, well, this is the new thing, so that's what we're doing. I get that. But why do people have to be like, well, no, not on my watch.

What the fuck do you know? They just found some really cool shit. Why is everyone not on board we're trying to figure out what this could be yeah i mean it's a perfectly respectable archaeological team that's out there and um and and there have been other people uh peer reviewing it for now and it hasn't been shot down um so yeah we could be looking at uh i think that they i'm you may have read over it and I blanked, but yeah, it's either Homo habilis or Homo erectus that they think created this.

So dude, I mean, yeah, I mean, we're looking at, we're looking at sub Homo sapiens building civilizations. Dude, you know, Neanderthals, like cave, what we consider like cavemen brutes, they had civilizations. And we know that, I can't remember the exact name of the skeleton, but we found Neanderthal skeletons that indicate that this guy had lost his like foot and lower half of his leg early on in his life. And it's because he had like bite marks that were that were like on his femur but all the leg bones beneath his knee were gone but the bite marks that had gone all

the way down to his bone had healed over time but we were able to kind of tell when it happened and so it showed that he lived the rest of his life missing the lower half of his leg and that he and then you can like study his teeth because it shows like so sometimes people who are like indigenous people who are seasonally starving which is like an archaeological term when people are seasonally starving they develop horizontal lines in their teeth so it's like tree layers so you can see when somebody's not eating and then you can see when they're eating again. So he was seasonally starving for the rest of his life. And so he had a – he lived probably like 40,000 years ago.

But he lost his lower leg in some kind of – it could have been like a saber-toothed cat attack or something like that. Something big chomped his leg off and it scarred his bone on his femur. And so they're able to study the, they're able to look at his body, perform like a 40,000 year late autopsy on his body and determine this guy was helped by the people in his community for the rest of his life. He was carried around for the rest of his life and helped because they can tell how old the body was and everything. So we see things that are pointing towards civilizations that are not just Neanderthal, or not just Homo sapiens, but also Neanderthals, definitely Homo erectus, definitely Homo habilis had their own civilizations as well. And this evidence coming out that shows that Homo erectus or Homo habilis may have been

creating, you know, wooden thatch structures. That literally wouldn't surprise me at all. I mean, dude, there was a, who is the really famous wildlife biologist that went and studied apes and chimps in the jungle? Do you know what I'm talking about? Jane Goodall? It may have been her. It may have been her.

She did extensive, there's been others who've done it yeah so she went and studied i think it maybe was her it's like an iconic name like if either of us were to say yeah if either it may have been her study but it was really suppressed by the zoological community because people want to look at human beings and be like homo sapiens we are the problem we are the worst thing on the planet, blah, blah, blah. Well, what they find whenever they do in-depth studies of apes and chimps that are in the middle of the Congo and the African jungle, what they find is that they have their own kingdoms and they plot assassinations on their leaders. And they brutally assassinate their leaders. Like they'll have rebellions. They

capture leaders of other, of other tribes. I mean, yeah, dude, like if, if someday these modern day African chimps are going to evolve into human beings, which I guess they would, I mean, they're on planet earth and it looks like they're on the track to do that as, you know know as to what scientists say we came from um that doesn't surprise me at all that human beings have have been having little civilizations and communities and plotting to kill each other and assassinate each other and they even they even will steal each other's wives all kinds of stuff they do the exact same chimps living today and apes living today in africa have civilizations tribes they kill each other they plan to assassinate each other they have they have planned like when they assassinate somebody they go in in like military fashion and they have uh you know how coyotes will

circle their enemies and they all work together or circle their prey and they all work together chimps and apes do the same do the exact same thing i've seen video of it and so i mean dude that's that's deep in us and so along with along with the violence is also the civilization that comes with it trying to get power and trying to get women and resources and territory you know um so as to answer your question as far as how old i think humanity is or you know our hominid species homo sapiens probably i don't disagree with the number of 200 000 years it's crazy because the history we talk about that's so old we're talking three four thousand years and yes evolution occurs throughout these periods but then you look at the possibility of there having been like six extinctions or even if there's only three whatever you know you look at that over time and obviously

that means some humans had to survive i know matt talked about there's there's a structure in turkey not gobekli tepe it's a different one i forget which one it was i don't think is it a tepe because there's karahan tepe also yeah there's several there's a bunch of tepes i can't remember which one it was i don't want to say the name but it was towards the beginning of the first episode i did with him i want to say it was like the 20 ish minute time stamp something like that he talked about how they were able to build elaborate underground bunkers that were like sealed off and everything. I know what you're talking about. And so – and I can't remember the context of the time exactly when they're estimated to have done it and all that. But I'm trying to remember all the details because there were so many things in that conversation.

Like it was a million miles a minute. But that's the type of evidence i'm not saying it's that one but there could be other ones that point to humans that were able to survive because obviously to survive an extinction the humanity has to survive to continue to make it to this point so we have but in doing that what did we lose along the way and that's why it's so interesting to look at like potential ancient technology, like, and again, when I'm saying ancient, I'm saying pre an extinction, right? I think 15,000 years ago or something where now it's just, you know, what gets destroyed?

Like we look at the New York City skyline right here. We think of every skyline in the world right now. We think of there being an iPhone everywhere everywhere is there a way that mother nature and earth could be catastrophically damaged for an extinction to occur where all this is wiped away and there's fucking no evidence of it which is impossible for us in some ways to think about but in another way it's it's has a big potential and i'm not talking about extraterrestrial stuff right now. I'm saying simply natural earth stuff. So, like, looking at something like Atlantis and what that could be, or whether it's just a symbol of something, and what they did or didn't have. Like, we keep looking at, like, well, was their technology beyond us in some ways and then other ways not? Was that totally destroyed by an extinction event? Or did an Atlantis or something exist within post-Younger Dryas?

Seems like more people are saying pre. That seems to be the consensus. But do you ever think about that? Okay. Well, when we look at this city here in front of us, Manhattan. I'll switch to a third camera for this one. So at the end of the Younger Dryas, at the end of the Ice Age, what ended the Ice Age? It hasn't been proven, but I think it's a very logical explanation that more – that legitimate scientists more than just like skeptics will put forward

is that there was a, it's, it happens on a regular basis. I don't want to say it's every September, maybe it's every few years, but I know that, you know, we have meteor showers that happen every year. Like it's meteor shower season. Well, I'm not sure if it's every year, but I think we have the torrid meteor stream that, regularly hits the earth and usually it hits in the northern atlantic um well about 12 000 years ago there's some evidence that a giant meteor a giant particle hit the earth probably multiple of them hit the earth from the torrid meteor stream in the northern atlantic so you have the north atlantic ice cap going on um so the north atlantic ice cap is like the top one-fifth of the earth is covered in ice right

and it's cooling the rest of the earth that's the ice age so you have um we have like in a at that point we had an abundance of wildlife in north america like we had have you ever heard of the american lion before i don't think so it was twice the size of the african of the American lion before? I don't think so. It was twice the size of the African lion. The American lion? Yeah, the American lion, camels, elephants. I think there was a species of zebra that existed in North America, the woolly mammoth, the saber-toothed cat. We lost – there was a cataclysm that happened at the end of the Ice Age

that 100% – nobody denies this, 75% to 80% of the wildlife species in North America was destroyed in one second. Oh, wow. Yeah. Have you ever thought about this? Like when you go to a zoo, why is there never a North America section? We don't have that many animals. We don't. We have deers.

I have thought about that. Yeah, we have deer. We have mountain many animals we have we have i have thought about that yeah we have deer we have mountain lions we have little bunny rabbits like i mean we have a wide variety but we don't have things like in the rest of the world in one second all we lost incinerated incinerated it was oh the dire wolf like you know where like werewolf how these giant wolves are a legend the dire wolf was real. It was in North America. Um, there are, there are pits that are out in California that are like where, uh, these fragments of the meteors just scatter across, uh, the North Atlantic and North America.

And they send woolly mammoths and dire wolves and saber tooth cats flying. And they land in these, they land in these pits with their bones shattered everywhere. I mean, this has been found on dozens of occasions, these animals that are extinct from North America that don't exist anymore. So basically what happened was this meteorite hit the Northern Atlantic. And I could be getting the numbers wrong, but I'm pretty sure the number, what happened was it hits the ice cap on the Northern Atlantic. It goes deep into the, the earth's crust and it sends up, um, I keep wanting to call it megafauna, but it's like under, um, it's like, it's like superheated magmatic rock that comes out. So it's magma, magmatic rock that comes out of the earth

and it's, it's incineratingly hot. And so when it hits the ice cap, it starts melting that ice cap, instantly starts melting it. And that causes water levels to rise all around the world from North America into Africa, the Mediterranean. Um, you could pull up, uh, you could pull up the Western African coast near the Rishat structure where people think that the lost city of Atlantis was. What should I Google? Just look up Rishat structure satellite image or Google Earth. You'll be able to see the desert west of it and it looks like water rushed up onto the continent and was dragged back down. Okay.

All right. Which one do you want? Oh, you'll need something that's even more zoomed out than that. These are all pretty zoomed in. All right, keep going. I'll tell you to zoom down. So it sends this superheated magmatic rock flying all the way across the planet.

And, you know, when we think of, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like that, go down. But there's one in the middle, that one. That one right there? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, I'll put this in the corner screen. Do you see how it looks like the sand is being drugged back down to the left? It looks like a sandstorm.

Yeah, yeah. So what this looks like, what a lot of people think it is, is this is on the Atlantic coast. So comet hits Northern Atlantic, raises water levels all around the world, sends magmatic rock all across definitely North America, Europe, Africa. It incinerates everything on the ground. This magmatic rock, it's like lava, hits the ground, burns everything to a crisp, and then rushing tsunamis come over at the same time. So here it looks like people say, well, this was Atlantis. Look at the rings. It's got the concentric circles like Atlantis is said to have had.

And look, you can see the evidence of water rushing over this area and then dragging back down. There's even better photos you can find. Like if you're on Google Earth and you zoom way out, you can literally see the landscape being pulled back down into the Atlantic Ocean. And so I believe that the number is when that comet, the comet was so big that when it hit the Earth, it sent, I guess, kind of like icebergs that acted as the Northern Atlantic cap or the North Atlantic ice cap during the Ice Age. It caused these icebergs to scrape across the ground. You can see it in the scab lands, like in Northern United States to Canada.

It sends these icebergs scraping across the ground. I believe this is things. I don't want to get the numbers wrong but it's five something it's either 50 or it's 5 000 square kilometers per second that's how fast it's moving so you look at this new york city skyline you look at a iceberg that is the size of canada scraping across the ground at let's say let's say 50 square miles per second. Per second. Yeah, per second.

That's how cataclysmic it was. Five. It's either 50 or it's 5,000. I'm getting the numbers wrong. Let's say it's 50. Yeah, let's say it's- 50 times 10, 500 times 6, 3,000. That's per minute. 3,000 kilometers per minute.

3,000? That's per minute? 3,000 kilometers per minute? 3,000 times 60 is... 180,000 kilometers an hour. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So, yeah, man, that's the real number. So it's probably 50 square kilometers. I was going to say, wow. But do you see number. So it's probably 50 square kilometers. I say, wow.

But do you see any of this being left? No. And is it left in an archaeological layer that's possible for us to find when everything calms down 12,000 years later? Because the changing of the ocean, I mean, how long ago did the Titanic sink? 100, 110 years ago, 111 years ago, something like that? 1912, I think. They're already talking about it not being able, like disintegrating away. I don't know the year estimate on that, but within the next century.

That's not a long time. Now think about everything else and the destruction. Like that was just, it split in half and sank and just sat on the bottom of the ocean. Think about the destruction of an event like that and the forces that are happening. And the pure and utter incineration on the spot that would occur. It's straight out of a CGI scene in a movie. Oh, I know it. I know it.

It's worse than that. It's worse than that, yes. Yeah, yeah. that's hard to imagine man it probably will happen someday isn't that isn't that nuts to think about what the force that that would take to move at that speed oh yeah dude 18 what was it 18 000 yeah well you said you said it was 180 000 i'm sorry 180 000 kilometers an hour yeah yeah like i'm just thinking about and how and how big did you say it was again well it's the north atlantic ice cap it's covering the top one-fifth of the of the planet so like just zoom out on the earth for a minute yeah yeah and just imagine the earth like gravity working that's not how it the earth like gravity working that's not how it works but like gravity working of like moving downward just looking at the earth from top

down it's basically like this yeah yeah it's just scrapes across the top half of the earth so and it raised water levels all around the planet um yeah no, and so a lot of people think, you know, that's where we get a lot of our myths of like Veracostia is this, this, this, uh, weeping. I think he was like a, he was a light-skinned bearded man who comes out of the jungles in, uh, I don't know, Peru. And he's, you know, weeping about all of the evil that's going on in, you know, deep in the jungles. So like the, the story of Viracocha, he appeared from the jungles. He walked out of the jungles, which we would interpret as being the Amazon. He leaves the Amazon weeping because there's some evil stuff going on there. And he comes across ancient Peruvian people and he tells them to

flee to the highest mountain and he's going to flood the earth of all the evil there. And he's going to recreate civilization from the clay of the earth. And it's not just there, that's like kind of similar to Noah's Ark. And it's certainly similar because in the Bible, God created people out of the dust of the earth. So, dust of the earth, clay of the earth, pretty similar, and it's on two different sides of the planet. So, you look at the stories of these ancient cataclysms, and giant cataclysmic floods are common in the ancient world because people live right next to the water, right? So when it floods really bad, they lose everything, and they think it's like the whole earth was flooded.

But the possibility of people surviving something like that and carrying down stories I think is pretty likely. You know, the people who survived that, imagine that. It's like the movie I Am Legend, literally. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like a different means here, but a few people survived. And that was the end of the Ice Age. It superheated the Earth for a short period of time.

There was like a period of darkness over the planet. Like I think there's some kind of scientific evidence that the planet didn't have daylight for like a really long period of time or certain periods that the planet didn't. And I think they are able to judge that by like soil layers. I've seen something in the Yucatan going on where they're trying to judge or they're trying to study these soil layers and they can't, there's like a gap between um like 12 000 and 11 000 years ago where like nothing was growing because they think that there was like a plume over the earth you know so um yeah plume like like some kind of like debris is in the air that is minimizing the sunlight that's getting through it so the plants aren't growing the way that they would have okay um so that's kind of

scant evidence but you know when you're studying something that happened 12 000 years ago it's hard to find the evidence for anything you know it's just like little tiny clues you know even the studying of of dinosaurs i mean do you know how many t-rexes have been found it's like 12 like in and of all the we know of, of all the dinosaur bones that you can go see at a museum, only 12 of those are actually real. And they're what, 65 million years ago? Something like that? Yeah, yeah.

The T-Rex was 65 million years ago. But, you know, that's... Jesus Christ. Yeah, and that's crazy. And you know another thing that's crazy? You know how, like, in... We always see the T-Rex and the Velociraptor depicted together? Okay, that's not right at all. The t-rex was 65 million years ago the velociraptor was 250 million years ago

they didn't even we are we are three times as close to the t-rex as the velociraptor was um do you remember in do you remember in uh in jurassic Park when that one raptor, I'm going to think of the name here in a second, it like spreads its little gills and spits the venom onto that person's face? That's like the most iconic thing. So there's no evidence that backs up that it was able to spit out venom like that. But that thing is called the, it's like a Dodo raptor or something like that. But that guy existed about like 150 million years ago. So how long – the dinosaurs were estimated to be on earth for how many million years?

Well, okay. So they think that some lizard hybrid emerged out of the water. So it was originally a lizard that was like an aquatic lizard that came up on land. And that is like the mother being of everything. Like monkeys come from this lizard. Every single land animal comes from this lizard. But that would be considered a dinosaur. And gosh, that 400 million BC or yeah, 400 million BC, something like that.

Or 400 million years ago. Yeah. When you get to those numbers, I'm like, whoa, that's, that's hard to digest. But then like 150 million years later, you start having, you start having your more traditional looking dinosaurs. And then from 250 million BC to 65 million BC. Yeah. You have, you have your classic reign of dinosaurs and then you have,

then you have the great dying, which is like meteorite impacts hitting the earth, just destroying the planet. And then there's not, um, there's not enough food left for these giant beings because it didn't kill all the dinosaurs instantaneously it just destroyed the environment and so you have the big dinosaurs that feed off of the plants there's not enough plants there for them to eat so they don't

have enough calories to stay alive so they die and then the carnivore predators don't have prey anymore because there's no plant life so they all die and the only thing that's left are are small beings like uh you know they think that um it's funny saying it but you know could be true that human beings came from like a little mouse that was alive at the time that was able to survive and then it thrived after 65 million bc and over 65 million years eventually we have hominids because we're thinking of things in terms of like the founding fathers 250 years ago

not even 250 years ago are old but now extrapolate that exponentially over like 65 million years a lot can happen that's hard to understand if every generation changes like

I'm going to make up a number right now, but changes 0.1%, that's all it needs. And then it gets to where we're at. I mean, look at where we are. Height, weight, shape, abilities compared to 1,500 years ago. Yeah. Well, you know, Alexander the Great was 5'6". All those guys were short.

Yeah. Julius Caesar was like 5'8". Yeah, and they weren't that... And he was tall. Yes, exactly. They weren't short for their time. You know, so things... Like, that's not a long time, and that's why it's not...

You know, when people try to argue that evolution isn't real or whatever, I think that's just denial nihilism, man. I don't really know what to tell you. If you want to see – so I read the book. There's a really good book called Shaping Humanity where you can read about the study of like the evidence behind did we really come from ancient apes? Now, these are apes that aren't, that are extinct. They're gone. We are these apes, you know? And is it heresy for me as a Christian to say I believe in evolution? I don't know. Don't really care. No, it's not. It's

bullshit. Yeah. So, but, so I read this book called Shaping Humanity and yeah, it really explained a lot, opened my eyes to a lot and made the argument a lot more probable to me. But then I would talk to people who disagree with me and they would go, they go, well, where are apes today? Why aren't they turning into humans? Which is just like, you know, to anybody who is tapped into the scientific world, even a little bit, you know, that's like a really dumb question because no mother ever gives birth to a new species but over time new species evolve if that makes sense so like it's like if you had a bunch of cards laid out and they each changed a little bit you know every next one is going to look exactly like the one

right before it but then you get a thousand cards deep and they don't look anything the same, you know what I'm saying? Or a thousand photos deep, they don't look anything the same. So it was just gradual changes over time. But one of the reasons I think that there must be some kind of mind behind all of this that gives things purpose, whether it's like God that's more similar to the force, that's like a push forward for things to evolve in the right way. Because, you know, the law of our universe is like a law of chaos. That it's like anything that can happen will happen and things just get destroyed. There isn't really anything that serves like that, that life should exist as perfectly in balance as it should be on planet earth. And at some places we can see that it is balanced and so yeah i mean i

just um i kind of lost my train of thought there for a second i was going deep down but yeah yeah so um but yeah when i look at um the theory of evolution i don't think that it's uh i don't think that it's implausible you know i thinkible. I think it's perfectly plausible that people evolved from an ancient ape that has gone extinct. I think we have plenty of proof for that. Oh, also I was going to say, if you want to see evidence of an animal that is in the middle of evolution right now, look at an axolotl. Is that a spell?

Oh, gosh. A-X-E-l-o-t-l yeah something crazy all right yeah axolotl put this in the corner of the screen so those little things that like mane that's coming out of the sides of its neck which one do you want uh oh the second one yeah yeah these guys are really cute um looks like a beanie baby yeah yeah so they are only found i believe in the in lake titicaca which i'm sorry not lake titicaca lake tashcoco which is right next to tinochtitlan right it's the lake around tinochtitlan right the name axolotl is an aztec name um and so they're only found in that lake i believe i'm not an expert on that on axolotls but the little antennas coming off like the six antennas coming off of its neck

those are its lungs that have evolved to being outside of its body so you're seeing something that is in the middle of an evolutionary track right now. How long have these been visible? Like, are we talking like something in the last 50 years? Well, we only discovered the axolotl within the last like couple hundred years. Yeah, so we only have, but when scientists look at this thing. Well, when we discovered it, did it look like that? There are some, okay, yeah, that's a great question. There are some that have been reported

to not look like that that have the lungs on the inside of its skin so it's like in the middle of this evolutionary track where its lungs are exposed so you know it's it's doing something because i don't think that those lungs i mean are they supposed to be there i guess with biology yeah you know everything happens happens for a particular reason. But yeah, more and more axolotls are being born to look like, golly, there's these salamanders that exist in North Carolina. I'm trying to think. Oh, hellbenders.

If you look up a hellbender, it'll look exactly like an axolotl. But these are two species that are separated across the continent. Hellbenders are found in North Carolina, I think. They look exactly like axolotls, but their lungs are on the inside of their bodies. So it's – I wonder what that's in – because obviously all evolution is in response to something. But I'm drawing – it's a different idea here, but I'm drawing a similar comparison with like elephants. Are you aware of what's going on with them in Africa?

No. here but i'm drawing a similar comparison with like elephants are you aware what's going on with them in africa no there is a significant drop in elephants with tusks they're starting to have a lot of african elephants no way born without tusks and this is something that has happened over the last 100 years and actually my friend ryan tate knows a lot about this he's the founder of vet paul which is an amazing oh cool organization that is a bunch of veterans from the United States working with African governments in Africa, patrolling thousands of miles of land and protecting endangered species, including elephants, rhinos, pangolin, lions, etc. It's awesome stuff. I had him in here back in August, September 2022. Amazing guy. Great conversation. But anyway, he was saying that because of all the poaching that happened in the last century that severely like dropped the elephant population in Africa from like, I think it was in the

ballpark of like 1.1 million at peak. And then it got down as low as like maybe the high, maybe the mid 300s. Check those numbers in the comments for me, people. But now they're starting to get back up in no small part because of guys like him and the work they're doing over there. But the reason the elephants are being hunted by poachers is because the ivory of their tusks. Have you ever seen the documentary The Ivory Game on Netflix? I've heard of it. It was actually funded by Leo. Great documentary that explains a lot of like Eastern Asian money is funding terror groups who are then going to use it to do terrorism and stuff.

Wow. Who in return for that money are killing elephants and rhinos and stuff and stealing their horns if it's the rhinos and tusks if it's the elephants and so many elephants are now procreating without tusks because a lot of the tuskers wow are getting hunted so the ones with smaller tusks are creating with other elephants yeah yeah and it's shrinking over time and so and i'm probably butchering some of the evolution here but we are seeing that live and you are potentially going to look at elephants now 100 years from now if we don't really fix this who don't have tusks that's terrifying that's crazy i didn't know yeah that's how fast it can happen inside of a century yeah this is something that's really gone on over the past century or so what i think is so so crazy, and I think this is, I lost my train of thought, but I was going to say this.

As I think it's fascinating how inexplicable, science can't explain this, no scientist can explain this, how genes seem to know what is happening to the body and is able to determine what happens to its predecessors. Yes. Or predecessors? Successors. Antecedents or whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I just made that up. predecessors antecedents or whatever yeah yeah i just made that up yeah antecedents yeah that sounds real though yeah i think that's like a grammar term but um yeah but it's able to to determine what happens to its offspring i guess

yes offspring um antecedents anteced. That sounds so real to get grilled for that. Yeah. But, um, yeah, I think that that is crazy how, um, you know, as people started moving out of Africa where the sun, where you didn't need the dark skin to protect you from the radiation of the sun, the skin starts to get lighter, you know? And then as people come down from the Bering Strait, hopefully I get that right this time. As people come down from the Bering Strait, um, from Asia into Canada, where you have like the Eskimo tribes that were up there, they have, they have real, like, uh, they have sort of like Asianic, um, eyes, but their brows are real low and they have thick, um, eyebrows to protect them from like,ic eyes, but their brows are real low. And they have thick eyebrows to protect them from the snow hitting their eyes.

And that's why Eskimos have that real distinct look about them. It's amazing how our genetics know what is happening to our bodies and then adapt the DNA of the offspring that it has a little bit at a time. There's never been an explanation for that. It's like genetics has a mind of its own. It gets some kind of signal as to what's happening to your nerves on your body, and it's like adjusting the DNA for the next offspring to be able to keep this genetic DNA trail alive.

It's just freaking nuts the math of the universe is so the older i get the more i realize like how beautiful it is and how well how much it ties together like what did they teach you in school one side has to solve for the other it has to balance out right and then you got to balance the checkbook right it all it all has to even out and like the way that genes do that across these billions of species over time not the least least of which is ours is absolutely amazing and how like we think about how advanced we are now compared to any time but even compared to like 100 years ago and then think about how much we have no fucking idea about that's what's even wilder because like we think like wow we're talking to each other around the world now no problem you know everyone's like connected but we're

just scratching the surface yeah one of the things i think about um that i've been thinking about recently is i've been studying more about sacred geometry have you ever had a conversation about that on here? I don't know that we've done that on the podcast. Yeah, well, I'm not an expert on sacred geometry by any means, but I've been looking into it in the Maya world. And what's really interesting is if you go talk to modern-day Maya people, they will tell you that the flowers are in our houses. That's like a common saying. And so what do they mean by the flowers are in your the flowers are in our houses that's like a common saying and so what

do they mean by the flowers well you go look at maya temples and the lentils that are up on uh that are up on like the the temples at yashilan um they are they are like flower motifs that are inside of these uh temple murals up on the outside walls of like the governor's palace. And what we end up finding out as, you know, the study of the world progresses, is that flowers grow to the golden ratio. They are, they're a perfect, many, many flowers are a perfect spiral. And the flowers grow to a perfect ratio that's like uh one to one point six eight that's the that's the golden ratio and it is the ratio that all of our known universe obeys so a

snail the spiral on a snail's shell is one to one point six eight of the circumference of a flower and the way the petals grow is one to one point68. The spiral of the Milky Way galaxy is 1 to 1.68. The Maya, somebody was sitting there looking at a flower and noticed that it was perfectly symmetrical on all sides and had that realization at some point. You know, I think about that, like somebody in the jungle realized that flowers and the shape of them were significant and that they were all the same and probably had other realizations and wrote it down. Oh my God, dude, they wrote down so much. Okay. I'm just going to say this. The Aztecs, we, we have so much more writing of the Aztecs. I think we have like 30, some 37, 36, uh, surviving codices that are from the Aztecs. We know that when the Spanish arrived, 1519, that the Aztecs

were ordering 485,000 pieces of paper a year. When I say ordering, we just have like kind of like the Diary of Morere in Egypt where Khufu was ordering these blocks to be sent to the horizon of Khufu. This is exactly the same thing. There were guilds of people making paper in the Aztec world. They were producing 485,000 pieces of paper a year that they were writing their history with. Okay. That was about 1400, 1450 AD. Okay. The Aztecs were barely around. They came into Mesoamerica way late in the game. Writing had already been around in the Maya world for 2,000 years. And the Maya had been making more paper every year than the Aztecs were. We know that from Spanish chroniclers that saw how much writing

the Maya had. The Maya had been writing for, I'm sorry, well, they've been writing for 2,000 years, but writing on paper for over at least 1,000 years. And so Diego de Landa in like 1530-something or 1560-something gathers all of the known writing that had been compiled over the last 100 years from the Aztec world all the way over to the Maya world. He takes it to Merida, Mexico, throws it in mounds from floor to ceiling, multiple mounds. Imagine how many books, how many pieces of paper we could put in mounds, burns all of its ash. The whole history of Central and South America burned all of its ash. So this writing of sacred geometry was 100% written in books that Diego de Landa

burned up. There are only four that survive. One of the four is called the Dresden Codex. And it is called the Dresden Codex because it was being housed. They don't know how it got from the Yucatan to Germany. So Dresden, Germany. I think it's Germany. This, the Dresden Codex, what's interesting about it is it was being held in a historical museum in Germany in the 1940s. And the Americans are bombing the hell out of Dresden,

Germany. Yeah. Yeah. And, um, and there's a really interesting story that how we talk about like weird things happening while the Americans are bombing Dresden, Germany,

there's a six year old boy. He's, it may not be exactly six year old, but the young kid and he goes, he goes with his parents and he hides in the Dresden Museum, and he's taking shelter in there. And the whole city gets blown to bits. The Dresden Museum of Natural History gets blown to bits. The only thing that survived in that museum was that kid and his family and the Maya Dresden Codex.

That kid grew up to be an archaeologist who would go down to the yucatan and specialize in the study of the maya and he came back and he deciphered the dresden codex that same kid isn't that crazy what's his name oh god i don't know i don't know his name but i know it's a true story that's um so anyway so that dresden Codex was the study of Maya astronomy. It was a study of their stars. Dude, you can write books this thick in English. That's like fine print, size 11 print, just plethora of pages of a codex that's this big. And a codex is like a book, but a codex, you know how sticky notes, you can pull them up

and they're like attached on each end? That's a codex. That's not a book. So there's a difference between a book and a codex. So the Maya wrote codex, wrote codexes or whatever. Only four of them survived. So, you know, one of them is the Popol Vuh, which is the Maya origin story, which was copied down for over a thousand years. You have the Dresden Codex, and then you have one in Russia, and then I think there's one that's still in Mexico. But three of them are Maya legends. One is actually Maya science. But there were thousands, thousands and thousands and thousands of these books. And so very likely one of them detailed Maya sacred geometry. The Popovu just touches on it for a second. Basically, what it says is that

the way that the universe was created was through sacred geometry. It was like the cord was extended up to the sky, it was tied in half and laid back down, and it's talking about... We could pull it up and read it, but it's describing sacred geometry, and it's describing how you could create the golden ratio or the the golden rectangle and so what this engineer named christopher christopher powell did in the 1990s i believe was he went down into mexico he started studying the temples and he realized that the temples in ancient mexico that were created by the may were created using, they were like the exact same shape of flowers, but like maximized to the size of a house or a temple and then doubled. And then he found out that Maya people were measuring out the stakes of their homes using

a rope and cord and halving the cord and laying it down in the same way that the Pope of Vue describes it. It's a very in-depth thing. But then he realized, oh, every single Maya temple is made to their own understanding of the one to 1.68 gold and mean ratio. He figured this out just in the 90s. This was figured out. And then he starts realizing that when local indigenous people are telling him that the flowers are in their houses and that they're making their houses still in the same way that the Popol Vuh says that the universe was created, these Maya people, these modern day Maya people doing this don't even realize what they're doing. But they're continuing a legacy that the universe was created. These Maya people, these modern day Maya people doing this don't even realize what they're doing, but they're continuing a legacy that the ancient Maya very well knew existed. So then you go to all these temples in the ancient Maya world and you start seeing the

flower murals all along it. And they were well aware of what they were doing. They were creating temples that were so perfect that they would have like something called the Temple of the Sun and the Temple of the Moon. The Temple of the Sun at Palenque faced east, and wherever the sun would rise, it would cast a shadow into the temple. And wherever that shadow landed, like the pillars that it was landing on, determined what time of year it was. And these are all aligned. And on top of that, all the temples are aligned to Venus. So, it's just like, there's this whole world there that is completely gone to us. Like, we've kind of figured out the secrets of some of their sacred geometry, but all of their other sciences, as far as how they made their concrete, you know,

burned, you know, these suspension bridges that are out here, like the George Washington Bridge and even like the Golden Gate Bridge is California, right? The very first suspension bridge where we got that idea comes from Maya. They built the world's very first suspension bridge on the Osama Center River. Yeah, that was documented by other maya cities and you can still see the remnants of it today i was there in january and saw it yeah they built the world's

first suspension bridge and it could handle an army of people walking across it how the secrets of their architecture we don't know the secrets of their concrete we don't know burned it away burned all of it to ash how many times do we have to learn in history don't fucking burn books god damn it it's crazy man yeah absolutely nuts well luke where can people find you on social media brother this has been great yeah thank you so much thank you two podcasts well thank you very much for having me on man this is a huge opportunity um you can just find me luke caverns uh l-u-k-E-C-A-V-E-R-N-S. I think I spelled my name right. And that's my at on all social medias.

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